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hrplaneman
Location: Sandtoft
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Im afraid Im drawn back to the question of the academy and it being gifted over to Leeds by the CB, albeit in its more junior elements.
With Sale no doubt having some level of access and a "pick N mix" opportunity of the better players, those academy players and the ones not fortunate to be selected will be lost to those more junior clubs within the county which initially developed them, to the detriment of all, including I have to admit Leeds themselves, even though I disagree with them having access in the first place.
Now that the CB has in place individuals who oversaw the initial transfer of the academy, at the highest level, i have some serious concerns over the continued player sourcing and development within the county. All of course leading to a weaker product to market and compete against M62 rugby. Football is only really played in two cities, yet both have thriving and strong junior level club representations within the county and game generally. (Leeds United could for example only dream of the fan attendance of either of the two Sheffield sides)
FHLH
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I understand that should LC be unable to fulfil their Championship fixtures, then Aspatria will be invited to join the Championship because its so far away
"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
hrplaneman wrote:
Football is only really played in two cities, yet both have thriving and strong junior level club representations within the county and game generally. (Leeds United could for example only dream of the fan attendance of either of the two Sheffield sides)
Why let facts get in the way of a story?
Leeds Utd would certainly not dream of dropping their fan attendance to the level of either Sheffield side.
Last seasons statistics
Leeds Utd. Capacity 37,890. Average League Attendance 34,035
Sheffield Utd. Capacity 32,609. Average League Attendance 26,175
Sheffield Wed. Capacity 39,732. Average League Attendance 24,429
Thatbloke
Location: Newport
Quote Thatbloke
Think I must have stumbled onto the wrong forum here???? 🤣🤣
Camquin
Quote Camquin
I do love the current squad page on the Carnegie site.
I fear it is accurate.
sidelined
Location: Barnstaple
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But they have got a Head of Rugby Operations and an Equipment Manager.
Location: jersey
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islander wrote:
Albert Fishwick wrote:
Runitback wrote:
Can't disagree with you more CC, all it does is delay the inevitable and ruin
The chances of properly run clubs!! Maybe any club in danger of relegation should follow the same policy. Added to which their team
This year will be a joke and make a mockery of the championship , but they know there is no relegation
Several people have referred to there being no relegation next season but I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere. I thought it was just a proposal, along with a 13-team Premiership and a promotion play-off between the two divisions.
You're correct Albert, there's been no confirmation about whether the Prem may expand next summer, nor about any knock-on change to promotion/relegation between Prem & Ch'ship, or between Ch'ship & Nat 1
Today's Rugby Paper (Jeff Probyn quoting Damian Hopley of the RPA) says there'll be a decision made about the make-up of the 2020/21 Premiership, possibly including promotion/relegation arrangements, at the RFU Council meeting on Sept 13th. Quite a long way off, but at least clubs at top 2 levels would know where they stand before this season kicks off...
Yes but when will they decide if Leeds are able to play at all this season.
Albert Fishwick
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Management seem to think that has now been decided following the passing of the CVA.
That's easy for you to say.
Hopefully it will be safe for the players if Leeds go with Academy + plus loanees
Runitback
Location: North
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Hardly worth commenting, but Leeds situation is a farce. How can any Leeds fans actually support a club that has no players, they will find some desperate soles from somewhere but to me that does not constitute a "club"!
Run with it
Camquin wrote:
I don't know... didn't you flag a 31/7 deadline a few weeks ago CQ?
Yes if a team pulls out after that the Championship goes ahead with 11 teams.
Before then Richmond get promoted to fill the gap.
But have the RFU actually put anything in place or are they simply putting the telescope to their right eye so as not to see the signals.
I am sure Nelson would have supported North Walsham had he not gone to sea and had they existed in the 18th Century.
Mark W-J wrote:
London Irish, Wasps, Newcastle and Exeter also currently unavailable. It's just because Sport Network insist on a new front page news story being posted every two weeks, and during the summer months there's nothing to write about.
True. To a point.
Several clubs' SN sites never seem to be taken down even if they don't update for months on end ( and it's a bone of contention on the SN 'user's' internal forum, which sadly SN just ignore. Like most complaints thereon). This applies to both rugby and footy sites.
Ex are currently down. Wasps have been down four or five times this season (very irregular updating).
Quins, Sale, Wasps and Glaws seem to be giving up on it even though there are quite a few still hanging on on the Wasps site.
It's all very unsatisfactory, but nothing sinister - just laziness.
It doesn't take much to put up a few words on the News page once a fortnight.
And lo, and behold - the Wasps site has gone down again. Couldn't make it up.
Sorry, back to Leeds ;)
And again! Perhaps it's that massive unsustainable debt?
Les E
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Looking at the RFU Regulations it is interesting to note:-
In clause 5.3.5 in RFU Regulation 5 there is (I believe) some text missing. The clause reads "Without prejudice to ....................... provided that ordinarily if the Insolvency Event occurs prior to the date at which the fixtures for the Level at which the Club plays, the points deduction shall apply to the previous season."
The text that appears to be missing is after "plays" and should perhaps be "are announced" or similar wording. If the missing wording was "are agreed" that could change things but perhaps a CVA trumps everything 😉
"Rugby is not just a sport, It's a way of life"
By putting the telescope to their right eye, the RFU did not see an insolvency act until the CVA.
As that was agreed with 100% voting in favour and within 6 weeks, there is no need for a points deduction.
Mind you we have not seen any announcements of players signing.
They can have thee loan players and 10 dual registered EAP.
But they need at least 9 players registered to the club.
Currently they appear to be nine short of that.
Edited by Camquin - 10 Jul 2019 at 21:17
Halliford
Quote Halliford
The problem is that there was no insolvency act until the CVA. The RFU are looking again at the wording but insolvency is only triggered by an act, it's not based on rumour or story. I believe they will still be deducted points as that is the result of any insolvency act but if the RFU Council change the Premiership/Championship numbest at
the end of the 19/20 season it could be meaningless.
But the regulation speaks of an insolvency event - and the definition specifically includes non-payment or late payment of players. While I have not proof it feels like YC have been granted more slack as they are an old senior club and therefore one of us.
Anyway they need to recruit a minimum of 9 players and a doctor - and then borrow the rest.
Tick.
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But non or late payment did not happen, all contracts were honoured for last season, they could not afford the contracted payments for this coming season. As what you have stated in terms of past tense and I suspect in a legal world there is the difference.
You may be right.
They certainly got to the point where they could not guarantee payments would be made in April which led to a threat of players withdrawing their labour.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/yorkshire-carnegie-players-could-boycott-doncaster-knights-derby-over-pay-fears-1-9704653
But that does not mean payments were actually missed.