A C3 Church Update & A CHC Court Wrap Up
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C3 Church Update
Phil Pringle must be speaking furiously (by faith) over this court case for Kong Hee to obtain the victory. If Kong Hee loses, Pringle's congregation will see him as a spiritual fraud. (That is unless his leadership keep leaking information to the congregation which in turn makes them leave before the trial finishes.)
To all C3 leaders and members reading this website: Thank you for providing us with information from the C3 leadership meetings and updating us on the state of affairs within C3 Church Oxford Falls.
We encourage you to keep spreading our articles and news reports that expose the scheming nature of Phil Pringle and Kong Hee to other C3 members.
Phil Pringle Misleading His Church Over Kong Hee's Case
Prophet Pringle Plundering People's Pockets For Kong Hee's Cause
And God Told Pringle That Kong Would Not Be "Behind Bars"
Pringle Using His Prophecy Of Kong Hee To Elevate His 'Prophetic Message'
Beyond Words… Pringle Sinks To New Depths At Global Presence Conference 2013
Kong Hee To Phil Pringle: "You created this mess! You've Got To Come And Help Us Fix It"
Kong Hee Again Blames Phil Pringle For SunTec Mess: "… it's all your fault, Pastor!"
"You Can Inform Your Readers That Phil Is A Father In The Faith To Kong." – Pastor & Executive Regional C3 Americas Overseer
Do Pastors Really Want To Endorse The Ministry Of Kong Hee & Sun Ho?
Encourage C3 members to think for themselves and engage them in intellectual discussion. Let them know when they are engaging with you on an irrational or emotional level and patiently lead them to the truth of their ways.
More importantly, keep using your connect group time to ignore the Connect Group notes and keep testing what we are teaching you to the Word of God. Make sure you read the bible in context. Read large portions of scripture. Keep discussing with an open bible what Phil Pringle, Kong Hee and Sun Ho are doing.
You are in our prayers. Pray that repentance comes to these institutions.
We apologise for the delay of this article. Channel NewsAsia reports,
Prosecution wraps up case against City Harvest Church leaders
The prosecution on Monday wrapped up its case against the six leaders of the City Harvest Church after completing questioning of its last witness, Mdm Foong Ai Fang, an audit manager at Baker Tilly.
SINGAPORE: The prosecution on Monday wrapped up its case against the six leaders of the City Harvest Church after completing questioning of its last witness, Mdm Foong Ai Fang, an audit manager at Baker Tilly.
Church founder Kong Hee and his five deputies are accused of misusing millions of the church's building fund monies to boost the career of singer Sun Ho.
After 42 days in court, the defence lawyers have indicated that they will submit to the judge that the defendants have no case to answer.
Both the prosecution and defence will exchange written submissions on this in March.
In April, District Judge See Kee Oon will decide if the prosecution has produced sufficient evidence to support its claims of criminal breach of trust, among other things.
The prosecution argued that this was done through "sham bond investments" in Xtron and Firna.
Last month, the lead auditor in-charge of the church's accounts testified that the bond investments made by the church did not make sense.
Mr Sim Guan Seng of Baker Tilly said that the bond transactions between the church, Xtron and Firna looked as though they were set up for specific purposes, which would "raise a lot of red flags".
But the defence countered that the investments were not "sham" just because Mr Sim said they were not sound.
A key point of contention was the secrecy that shrouded the discussions among the accused.
Referring to various emails, the prosecution tried to make the point that the defendants were hiding information from the auditors as well as church members.
But the defence pointed out that there was no breach in the church's constitution when the Building Fund was used for the investments.
Its case is that it was always clear the church's building fund monies were used to produce Ms Ho's music albums and that the auditors signed off on the various audits.
It also stressed that no church money was lost.
But the court also heard that the information which the auditors based their work on came from the accused.
If the judge decides that the prosecution has produced sufficient evidence, the defence will present its case in July.
Source: By Claire Huang, Prosecution wraps up case against City Harvest Church leaders, Channel NewsAsia, http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/prosecution-wraps-up-case/991282.html, Posted, 10/02/2014 19:02. (Accessed 12/02/2014.)
14 thoughts on "A C3 Church Update & A CHC Court Wrap Up"
Sinno More said:
From the look of things you must be the ones pacing up and down furiously and hoping Hee is found guilty and convicted.
There's something unfortunatley triumphant about the way you phrased your post, almost as if your preferred outcome was the conviction of a man whose Christian philosophy you don't support.
If he is found guilty (although the prosecution case looks a bit shaky), then we shouldn't be crowing about it, but we should be very sad that a brother has gone down.
But there's a long way to go yet, and the prosecution has to prove to the magistrate that there is a case for the defence to answer. No one, in other words, has been found guilty of anything as it stands.
Yet you have added several articles which speak as if the man is guilty and Phil Pringle is, by association, a felon. If this were an atheist site, or an antichristian site I would understand that it was bitterly opposed to successful Christian churches.
But I think you claim to be virtuous Christians who are just bringing what you see as issues at C3 to the world's attention. Relentlessly.
You have made yourselves the authority over them in all aspects of judgment of creed, doctrine and methodology. Which means you have made yourselves masters for whom there is a greater judgment, according to James.
"My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment."
You have declared yourselves holy, righteous and unspotted by the world in your assessment of what you declare to be the unholy conduct of those you oppose.
In which case, the Christian thing to do is to wait for the outcome and make an assessment from there, surely.
"Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted."
If, in your position of purity and uncompromised gospel virtue, you are in the position of being able to assess their behaviour at the highest level of propriety, then surely you are also in the position of being able to wait for the magistrate's decision on the entire case, since it is Singaporean civil law which is being used as the standard, before you shout with joy that a brother has fallen, and, by association, another is compromised.
Therefore, if you, who are holy and righteous before God, see a cult in another, should you not seek to restore them in a spirit of gentleness? And humility?
"A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will."
Whether or not we agree with the US part of the Crossover Project, or the material released which compromised the gospel is not the issue here, but if these leaders have a case to answer in the courts. I do not think the prosecution has presented a very good case, but we are not familiar with Singapore law.
If you feel you can prophetically make a judgement and condemn these people before the case has completed its course, then, of course, go ahead. I am not your judge.
Looking for ways for C3 people to fail, however, is not a Christian thing. "Love thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices i the truth."
So I think, for those who do judge others, their own actions and words condemn them, and we don't have to do anything but love and pray for those who tend towards being critical of others to see and speak the truth in love.
"For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For each one shall bear his own load."
Scripture tells us that our own words and deeds condemn us or make us righteous. Suffice to say that each of us has enough to do with working out our own salvation with fear and trembling without setting ourselves up to attempt to judge others.
squidaloopa said:
I believe it's a Judge, not a Magistrate?! Usually people get it around the wrong way. They call everyone a Judge, whereas it's a Magistrate for lower court matters. When it progresses for trial it is indeed a Judge, in this instance, a District Court judge. Sorry, thought it would be funny to point that out!
Good discourse re this website being non Christian etc. You've got a great Biblical knowledge there. And in fact, I agree with a lot of what you have to say, that's why many of us intend to not to be personally attacking. Although giving my opinion and general interpretation of Scripture is not setting myself up to be a teacher.
And on that matter, there is a lot to be desired for some teaching that goes on in c3. Is that targeting c3, as in "Looking for ways for C3 people to fail, however, is not a Christian thing."? Yes. I am targeting C3 teaching. As Phil says in Keys to Financial Excellence – that your church is cursed if you don't tithe. I've heard from the c3 pulpit that the early church didn't mention tithing because it was "just the beginning", that they gave "over and above". When you are guilt-tripping your congregation into tithing, that is not Biblical. Giving should be "cheerful" – not fearful. And the good ol' 30/60/100 fold doesn't refer to money. Nice interpretation though.
I beg to differ re Prosecution case being "shaky".
YOU don't think the Prosecution have a strong case. WHY? Because what Phil has told you?
I'm happy to discuss why you don't think Prosecution have a strong case and why I do, from a legal point of view. I think Prosecution has a strong case. One word – EVIDENCE. As someone said, Kong is a smart man! The church constitution doesn't rule out investments for Building Fund, so that's the way he's got around it, one could assume. But – what's the other key word? INTENT.
Evidence and Intent. Anyway, please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I've confused all the learning I got years ago from working in legal.
Icarus said:
"Looking for ways for C3 people to fail, however, is not a Christian thing."
I completely agree. But I don't think anyone is looking for C3 people (the congregation) to fail. But false prophets? I think we all know what scripture says about those.
Personally I wish a blog like this was around when I watched the false prophesies of a C3 pastor tear my family apart and into bankruptcy. Hey Sinno, do you know what C3 does when their prophesies are exposed as false? They cut people out of the church. Nice and clean, and quite ruthless. Fortunately in a C3 pastor's haste to spread lies about my family some people managed to get a glimpse of what was behind the curtain and left to decent churches. Unfortunately many didn't.
Anyway Sinno we're not going to agree at all here so these little chit chats are a bit pointless, especially since you have a tendency to skip past the hard parts. So let me give you a virtual hug (*hugs*) and wish you tout le meilleure.
Luke Allan said:
Definitely believe C3 members should start thinking for themselves…. But I also think you should start thinking for yourself…. You are no better in some ways I see you as worse… Be a man and make yourself public… If this is what you strongly believe then go public…. If you really believe you are doing this to help people then u are going to be a lot more effective in the public… No doubt the media would want to talk to you… Now you look like a weak hypocritical manipulative pussy…. Man up!!!!
…many…dots…much…rant…so…emotion…wow…
Barn Sweetman said:
trying..to…avoid…the…point…there…aren't…you…?
I read it like this "question" is directed at the blogger. Has he subtly inserted another point in there? It does sounds like he's got something pointy inserted somewhere!
Hey, since you're here can you let us know where exactly Jill got her PHD? She has said "Trinity University", but there is some confusion as TU (San Antonio) doesn't do Doctorates in Biblical Counselling. So where then? Is it "Trinity University of the [something else] in Indiana" or something like that? I would be great to clear up the confusion. Full name & location please, thanks!
"That is unless his leadership keep leaking information to the congregation which in turn makes them leave before the trial finishes."
…so this IS happening? Awesome!
Oh brother my apologies – Remove "Gordon Bennett" and insert "Neddy Smith". I was probably enjoying that Shiraz when I typed that…
What I meant to say is – in that post by 'thetruth' in "PP Conga Line…" he referred to Ps Gordon Moore as a "Celtic Warrior" etc, and HE (thetruth) was the one who referred to him being like Neddy Smith (convicted criminal). What I was then saying is – is 'thetruth' a former C3 pastor? Well, we don't know, but he seems to be close to the action at Moore's church.
So sorry I got my wires crossed….but still, thetruth seems to know what's going on….please post more, please.
P.S. Oh, would one consider "Sinno More" and "Gordon Bennett" to be combined to be Gordon Moore?
thetruth said:
Hey guys…i am NOT, nor ever have been a C3 pastor…and i thank God for that.
I do know people 'close' to the C3 movement but i would never, ever join them.
As for the Neddy smith comparison…well he does look like him! ..but i wasn't inferring Moore was a criminal.
I've noticed that with most comments you make, I could substitute in the topic of "aliens" and each comment would make more sense.
Simeon said:
Barn – having noticed that question about your mother's degree posted MANY times before, with no response from your father, any chance you would comment?
He won't answer. The Sweetman's have represented enough times that it's "Trinity University". There is only one "Trinity University and it's in San Antonio. It's fully accredited and is reputable. It doesn't however hand out "Biblical Counselling" doctorates.
My guess is that whatever place she got her "doctorate" from has the words trinity & university in the name, but it's not the full name.
I would gladly be proved wrong however, but with their continued avoidance of the question it's not looking good.
Christ Sake said:
It is very simple. All these christian or religious bigotry is created by one ambiguous figure who has every characteristic of an idol.
And since all the arguments surround or aroused by that individual, who is worshipped and personably related like a living and intelligent individual, the mess is best sorted or resolved by that individual.
If only that individual is real and living and care enough to show up to clear the musky air – of course, common sense shall and will not prevail here.
Hope that simple solution helps.