Jealousy Incarnate
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92 September 4, 2016 September 4, 2016
Jealousy Incarnate: Episode 4
by Saya
Although its opening week was a bit uneven, Jealousy Incarnate's been getting better by the day. We dial down the quirky charm of last episode to spend some serious quality time with Na-ri and Hwa-shin this hour, as they take a long look at their relationship (such as it is).
Meanwhile, true to the title, circles of jealousy spring up left and right, with new feelings budding even as old ones die. And perhaps new beginnings are just what the doctor ordered…
EPISODE 4 RECAP
Ja-young sneaks into Hwa-shin's mother's (i.e. her ex-mother-in-law's) empty house and rifles around for clues of Pal-gang's whereabouts. Finding a drawer full of napkins from Rak Pasta, she tries the number, and Chef picks up. She asks him if he knows one Lee Pal-gang, but when he asks who she is, her voice quivers in hope as she replies that she's Pal-gang's mom.
Meanwhile, Sung-sook also arrives at Grandma's gates but scuttles around the corner when Ja-young comes back out. Sung-sook overhears her on the phone asking about Pal-gang repeatedly, and saying she's headed to him right now.
Ja-young makes like an ahjumma Speed Racer to reach the restaurant, and doesn't at all notice Sung-sook tailing her. At the restaurant, Chef remains perplexed by the call.
When Ja-young arrives, she rushes up to Chef, and gasps when Sung-sook runs up an instant later. Chef asks which of them made the call. A vehement argument ensues as to who is really Pal-gang's mother.
When he calls Sung-sook the "real" mom, Ja-young grabs him by the collar. "'Real'? Then are you saying I'm fake now?" she asks, "I'm the only person Pal-gang ever called 'Mom'!" Pointing to Sung-sook, she says, "She calls this woman 'ahjumma'." Chef apologizes, but now Sung-sook grabs him too, yelling furiously that she gave birth to Pal-gang after a painful labor.
Chef spots Pal-gang returning home, and he seizes the squabbling women in a sudden embrace. Pal-gang walks slowly past, headphones over her ears. Chef clutches the women more tightly, and waxes that they should all hug, "With love!" he says. The women become strangely still.
The second Pal-gang is safely out of view, he drops them like lurgies and dusts himself off. Returning to formality, he says they should talk.
We rewind a bit from the end of last episode. Hwa-shin surreptitiously checks himself into his hospital room, which he's dismayed to find is not a single. Nurse Oh looks in on him, greeting him cheerfully by name. He begs her to just call him "Patient" instead.
Hwa-shin asks about his roomie. Nurse Oh ignores his question and he guesses it must be a young woman. "Is she pretty?" he asks, concerned.
Chi-yeol arrives home just as Na-ri is leaving. He smiles to see her dressed in their mother's clothes and Na-ri says they make her feel stronger and unafraid, like Mom is with her. Since he thinks she's going on a business trip, he finds her words odd, and asks her if she can't do a broadcast wearing those clothes.
Sung-sook and Ja-young are shocked to learn from Chef that Pal-gang and her father have run up a sizeable tab at his restaurant, but Chef professes not to have their contact information. He turns down the large cheques they proffer, and they press their business cards on him instead.
Chef tries to excuse himself, but gets uncomfortably sandwiched between their grabby hands. Sung-sook slips her card into his breast pocket, while Ja-young pops hers into his butt-pocket. He finally shakes them off, leaving the women glaring at each other.
Na-ri arrives at her hospital room, where the other bed has the curtains fully drawn. When she asks if she can turn on the TV, Hwa-shin sits up as he recognizes her voice. She begins to undress and he turns away from her silhouette, flustered.
Na-ri grumbles that the station seems to be doing just fine without her, and Hwa-shin cracks the curtain open for a glimpse. He flails silently when he sees it really is her.
Just as she's about to change the channel, he tells her not to. She falls off her bed in shock at the sounds of a man's voice, and he whips back the curtain to reveal himself, somehow managing to look at once both resigned and dramatic, haha.
With Na-ri away, Chi-yeol, Dae-goo and Pal-gang dine alfresco on the rooftop, the boys grateful for the return of Pal-gang's appetite. Pal-gang's optimistic that her dad will get better soon, and lies down to sleep right there, and Dae-goo stretches out beside her.
Chi-yeol goes inside and returns to find Pal-gang asleep on Dae-goo's arm. He drops a blanket on them with the terse warning not to catch cold.
Na-ri complains to Dr. Geum about her roommate, and the doctor tells her that she should just think of him just as a sexless patient. But Na-ri frantically argues that even if all the men in the world were just patients, this one would always be a man to her.
Dr. Geum realizes she likes him, which Na-ri refutes in an embarrassed whisper, suddenly aware that Hwa-shin can hear them. From behind his curtain, Hwa-shin declares that he'll reschedule. The worst that can happen is that he'll die, he says morosely. Drama queen. Dr. Geum gives Na-ri a pleading look.
Later, Hwa-shin asks Na-ri if she really doesn't see anyone else as a man. She assures him that she doesn't like him anymore. She says she plans to meet someone much better than him and have an intense relationship, even if she gets dumped in the end.
She asks why he's even here, and he retorts that this is what she wanted. "Do you have breast cancer, too?" he asks, "So do I."
She bolts up. "But I don't…" she replies. Shocked, Hwa-shin tears the curtain open. "You, a woman, don't have breast cancer, but I—a man—do?" he asks in disbelief.
He says to himself that it must be his punishment. She legit starts crying, and gets even more upset because he's here alone. She asks how such a macho guy like him could have breast cancer of all things, and can men even get that?
Hwa-shin snaps at her and says that if word gets out, he'll be the subject of gossip and that would be the end of his career. "But aren't you scared?" Na-ri asks him, and vows not to tell anyone even for a million dollars. Hwa-shin dryly tells her that for a million, she should.
He pulls the curtain closed and tells her to sleep, but once her own curtain is drawn, Na-ri dissolves into fresh sobbing.
Chi-yeol comes back out to the rooftop, and sits by his sleeping friends. Eyes soft, he tucks the blanket around Pal-gang, and leaves a mosquito-coil burning beside her.
Na-ri apologizes to Hwa-shin's sleeping form, because she feels like his cancer is her fault. Hwa-shin opens his eyes and says she must not see him as a man anymore, and she agrees, "You're just a patient."
He sighs, wondering if he'll ever be able to get married now. He asks what woman would see a man with breast cancer as a man at all—even Na-ri no longer does.
Sitting tentatively at the foot of his bed, Na-ri pats him and tells him not to give in to bad thoughts. He bolts up, and rattles off a litany of worries—she's just getting is a little bit of her breast cut out while he may lose the whole thing, he says, aggrieved.
He scoots close to her and asks, "Can I kiss you?" She's taken aback by the sudden question and he throws himself back on his pillow, convinced that he's not sexy anymore. Snort. After a troubled pause, Na-ri says, "Do it." You played right into his hands there!
"Really?" he asks, sitting up. He pulls her closer and she closes her eyes…and he suddenly flaps her aside. He just wanted to reassure himself he's still got it, he explains coolly.
Before he can say more, she slaps him (not hard enough). She must have wanted to kiss him, he concludes, and tells her to kiss a guy who likes her. Lying back down, he pulls the covers over his face.
Angry and confused, Na-ri takes herself all the way outside. Back in the room, a serious Hwa-shin taps out a text that says she might have regretted it tomorrow, and she should kiss a healthy guy who likes her. But he ends up not sending it.
Na-ri recalls the first time she encountered Hwa-shin. She had forgotten her work ID, and leapt through the station's entry-barriers behind him. Her momentum sent him flying embarrassingly across the floor and splat into the wall, although he picked himself up like nothing happened. I feel evil for laughing.
They ended up alone in the elevator afterwards. She read his name tag, and winced as his nose started to bleed. We then visit a succession of memories as she secretly followed him around from then on, sneaking peeps at him whenever she could. One day, she finally spoke to him. She admitted causing his accident that day and apologized. He told her it was fine, but misreading her tag, called her Pi Na-ri.
Another time, she left an umbrella on his desk against a rainy day, but we see that Dong-gi pinched it instead. Another time at a company dinner, she plucked up her courage to ask him to sing a duet with her, but he told her he was going to sing solo…and then sang a duet with mean-girl announcer Soo-jung, which tore the veil from Na-ri's eyes.
Done with the past now, Na-ri scoffs to herself and marches back into the hospital.
Now we're in Hwa-shin's memories: Another day, another elevator. It was just the two of them, and Na-ri had treated him angrily and he couldn't understand why. But another time, when her lanyard snapped in front of Hwa-shin's desk, he immediately offered her his spare—a blue one. He didn't get why she turned it down, but she'd smiled at him, the shine back in her eyes.
Returning to the present, Hwa-shin goes in search of her, a baseball cap pulled low over his face. They see each other across the empty foyer, and keep walking until they meet in the middle.
Shuffling uncertainly, he reminds her that their operations are first thing tomorrow. He turns back, but Na-ri blocks his path, eyes flashing. She roughly pitches off his cap, and he's startled, but not as much as a moment later, when she presses her lips to his.
Drawing back, she tells him that it's up to her, not him, who she kisses. She explains that she couldn't end her three-year crush without doing anything. But with this kiss, she has no more regrets. He gets all offended when she says that the kiss wasn't even all that, after all.
She leaves him behind, a ghost of a smile on her lips, as Hwa-shin yells after her. Many floors above, Dr. Geum and Nurse Oh exchange shocked glances, having witnessed the whole encounter.
Riding the elevator up alone, a resolute Na-ri says to herself that she's severed her lingering attachment now for good.
The next morning, PD Oh ponders over the big spike Na-ri got them in the ratings. Coming to a decision, he tells Dong-gi to call her back to work. But her phone rings in her empty hospital room.
Na-ri and Hwa-shin are wheeled into theater together, Hwa-shin hiding his face under a mask under a towel. Haha, overkill, much? She doesn't look at him, but he figures she's scared, and reassures her that it'll all be over after a little sleep. And then he decides it'll be helpful to point out that she'll have mismatching breasts. Sigh, Hwa-shin.
PD Oh complains about Na-ri not picking up her phone, and Dong-gi points out that he did fire. PD Oh snaps at him to get her back in time for today's broadcast.
In theater, meanwhile, Dr. Geum extracts Hwa-shin's tumor and sends it off for a biopsy.
At his workplace, Secretary Cha chatters to Jung-won about his (Jung-won's) mother's return, but Jung-won's attention is staked by a pretty new dress. He confides that he wants to give it to another woman, who Cha guesses must be "Pooped out a Cloud"-girl.
Cha points out that he can't cheat on Soo-jung . Jung-won sighs, and says that if he could see Na-ri in these clothes once, he could discover the nature of his feelings towards her. Disarmed by Jung-won's frankness, Secretary Cha sighs to himself.
Nurse Oh rouses Hwa-shin after his operation. In his drugged stupor, he imagines it's Na-ri, harshly telling him that her feelings for him are finished. But as Nurse Oh's face comes into focus, he asks her about the surgery. She tells him that Dr. Geum will explain everything to him, and he goes under again.
Na-ri has been returned to her room already, and comes around slowly. The nurses hook her up to a painkiller drip, and she moans in pain while her phone rings incessantly.
In the weathercasters' lounge, the girls wonder what's happening with Na-ri's slot, when it's so late and no one's been assigned to it yet. Sung-sook bangs in and they all snap to attention. She tells someone to volunteer and every hand shoots up.
On the way to the station, Secretary Cha advises Jung-won to avoid Soo-jung. Jung-won points out that they had one meeting, but Cha reminds him that the match had already been decided between the families beforehand. But taking pity on his boss, he concedes that they can just say he felt sorry for the weathercaster and wanted her to wear a nice dress.
Hwa-shin is returned to his room, and he and Na-ri labor through breathing exercises to clear the anaesthetic clear out of their lungs. Her phone keeps ringing but she's too out of it to answer. Hwa-shin grows increasingly annoyed with it and finally grabs it to turn it off. But he's surprised to recognize PD Oh's number, which immediately catches Na-ri's attention.
Sung-sook has the weathercasters lined up like soldiers for inspection, and lectures them that the news is not a place for them to look pretty or pick up men, and nor should they have pretensions of being any better than they are. She picks Joo-hee to replace Na-ri, and orders her to change her clothes.
Observing from a mezzanine above, Ja-young remarks cattily to her vapid flock of juniors that Sung-sook should have been born a man, and they all titter.
Dressed in her mother's suit again, Na-ri lurches out of the hospital. A quick flashback shows us that PD Oh yelled at her to come back to work immediately. He told her that if she doesn't turn up now, she won't get another chance.
On her way, she calls the National Weather Service for the day's forecast and puts her report together as she travels. The taxi driver recognizes her as the "weather agasshi" but she's too unwell to get any satisfaction from it.
As soon as Jung-won enters the station, he crosses paths with Soo-jung, who thinks he's here to see her. Secretary Cha even offers her the dress he brought for Na-ri, but Jung-won stops him. "This is for the 7 o'clock news' weathercaster," he tells her, and sends Cha to deliver the dress. Awks.
Dr. Geum gives the nurses a severe dressing-down for not preventing Na-ri from leaving. I strongly suspect it's also directed at Hwa-shin behind his curtain…which she draws back the next moment, haha. She tells Hwa-shin how careful she was with Na-ri's surgery, cherishing the hope that Na-ri would get married and be loved.
Her voice rises, and on her angriest note, Hwa-shin succeeds at the breathing exercise. Dr. Geum calls for a round of applause and everyone breaks into uneasy laughter.
But Dr. Geum's cuts off abruptly, and she asks Hwa-shin what's up with broadcast people that they don't listen to doctor's advice: Are they fearless or just stupid? Unperturbed, Hwa-shin glances at Na-ri's empty bed and agrees.
Dr. Geum tells Hwa-shin that a private room's opened up, and orders the nurses to move him out immediately. "Excuse me…" Hwa-shin interjects.
Na-ri reaches the station building, but in the studio, they're worried. Sung-sook browbeats PD Oh into using Joo-hee. She'll get the ratings, Sung-sook assures him, since she's younger, prettier and classier than Na-ri. He's nearly convinced, but Dong-gi doesn't agree.
Jung-won reaches the studio and is startled to see his dress on Joo-hee, but Secretary Cha says that she's the seven o'clock weathercaster. "Did they change?" Jung-won wonders, perplexed. He overhears Sung-sook hounding PD Oh about holding out for Na-ri after firing her, and Secretary Cha realizes that's who Jung-won was hoping to see.
At Pal-gang's dad's hospital, Chi-yeol tells Dae-goo and Pal-gang that Na-ri might be on air in Mom's clothes today. "Noona is the prettiest person in the world when she's wearing those clothes. Just watch," he says, quietly proud.
Na-ri finally arrives at the news studio, surprising everyone. She apologizes fervently, but stops in shock when she sees Joo-hee in her place. So this was why she made her drink that day, Na-ri guesses. Caught, Joo-hee replies, "This isn't your place now, unni."
PD Oh comes up to Na-ri. "Can you do this?" he asks. "Yes, I can do it," she replies earnestly.
Secretary Cha wonders where Na-ri got her clothes, while Jung-won gazes at her with a spreading smile. He tells his secretary that he thinks he is cheating after all.
From his hospital bed, Hwa-shin wishes strength on Na-ri, and adds that he doesn't want to go to the private room.
At the studio, Na-ri repeats to PD Oh that she can do this. "Even if I die, I'll die right here," she says.
Why are all the SBC women such cats? And I don't mean to cast aspersions upon cats, but to quote an L. M. Montgomery character: "I like cats as is cats. I don't like cats as is women." And what's up with Sung-sook telling the weathergirls that they're not objects (and the general don't-be-sluts lecture), and then choosing Joo-hee because she's "younger and prettier"? Ugh, double standards. They can't look pretty (except they must) and mustn't be ambitious (but there's something wrong with them if they're not), and so on. But I like that we see more proof that Na-ri is neither gullible nor a pushover. She understood Joo-hee's game the moment she saw her, but as for why she didn't clock it before, and I think it's down to one simple quality: She gives people the benefit of the doubt. Which means that she can be taken for a ride once…but not a second time.
Last week, I felt justified in lumping Sung-sook and Ja-young together in a box marked "harridan", but now that they're resolving into more distinct characters, I actually am loath to pick one woman as better than the other. It's hard not to notice that Ja-young—who remains largely unlikeable—seems driven by genuine emotion for Pal-gang, especially since her desperation and self-censure for being no sort of mother are private moments.
On the other hand, Sung-sook appears much more narcissistic, in constant competition to be best and first, especially against Ja-young. She can't bear to be second in anything—not at work, not to her daughter, and certainly not to the second (ex-) wife. I can understand how she can feel embittered and wrong over a marriage that ended ten years ago, but it's hard to say that she isn't responsible for her own choices. That her daughter calls her actual mother "ahjumma" is pretty telling about their relationship, and I'm sure that with Sung-sook's forceful personality, she could have found a way to keep up contact had she wanted to. Her present fight for Pal-gang is like a fight over a trophy—achieving the victory is what counts, her daughter is merely an accessory to it.
Still, I'm unwilling to write her off for having a naturally harsh personality, because there's a certain amount of personality you just can't escape because of the way you're wired. She's allowed to have a sharp temperament as much as any other woman (or man), but what makes the difference is whether she has other redeeming qualities. At this point, her best qualities are that she takes her work seriously, but perhaps the talents that make her effective at her job don't make for such a great parent/spouse. Like, you need a lot of fight to make it as far as she has, but that same aggression at home? Not so good. The who's-the-mom argument would be blindingly easy to call if Sung-sook's and Ja-young's situations were switched, but maybe this is what makes it an interesting conflict: The stepmother has more feeling than the birth mother, but does the birth mother have more right? Is it even up to them in the end?
As for Pal-gang herself, I find her surly and manipulative, and I'd like to know why everyone's dotty for her, and how she earned such unswerving loyalty from the boys. But at the same time, as with Sung-sook, I feel like it's not fair to dislike her for not being a sweet and chipper dream-girl. She's allowed to be who she is without apology, and I guess we've still got twenty episodes to see what makes her special. I actually can sort of understand why Chi-yeol, at least, goes soft around the edges for her, because there's something very emotionally available about him despite his taciturn disposition, which somehow matches with Pal-gang's difficult, prickly, yet vulnerable one.
I definitely didn't expect this to be a cancer drama of any kind, but I find its treatment here quite novel. For a start: one man's battle against breast cancer, which also throws open an interesting discussion about why Hwa-shin should find it so emasculating. I actually think it might be some kind of misdirected coping response, to pick out the single most irrelevant part of his diagnosis to take issue with. Because any other cancer would be better or more dignified? Orrrr maybe it's not that deep, and having woman-cancer really is his biggest concern. On the other hand, Na-ri's reaction on finding out: At first, her sobbing seems comically disproportionate—he was the one with cancer but she was the one crying! But then you remember she lost both her mother and her grandmother to breast cancer. The loss is real, and the pain alive to her, in a way that Hwa-shin might not feel about himself. As she and Chi-yeol prove, it's an ache that doesn't really go away, and this gives an inner quietness to both their characters.
But how I itch for Hwa-shin's comeuppance. He's such a strange mixture of rough kindness and utter self-absorption, and sometimes there's little to separate the two. The problem with his good intentions is that they don't count for anything if nobody knows them. He's an idiot, really, who thinks he's being noble, and it's worse because you can see the sincerity all over his face every time she's not looking. Saving Na-ri from herself by humiliating her with the not-kiss, and then telling her he was just using her? That's a bit messed up, although I suspect he realizes that. But I'm heartened by the metaphor in how they meet in the hospital lobby afterwards. It's good to know that he's the kind of person who'll come and meet you halfway.
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1 wapz
I am liking this show to pieces and I consider it a good human drama. Probably more character driven than plot driven. One thing I hate about live watching is to wait for osts. The one that was played in the rain scenes in Thailand and has been playing a lot in this episode's hoaputal scenes hasn't been released yet right?
hellothere
Agreed! It's a nice human drama. Maybe it's something about Gong Hyo Jin's acting or maybe the scripts she chooses, but I find this one and It's Okay, That's Love having a very similar vibe to it. The lives of the students/mid-class dealing with love and life, but it's not overly done and to a certain extent relatable. And it's a theme I enjoy :)
Loving the shows currently airing! Wreaking havoc on my sleep, but that's okay!
As far as I can tell there is no plot. The story is in the resolution of how these people change and grow. I'm going to love it.
2 vera
Ugh, at the same time I want Chi Yeol to get the girl, but I can't stand her.
I don't care about second lead whatsoever, but then again I rarely care about second leads.
gureum
my instinct is that ppal gang will fall for chi yeol. it's rare that the fem. character falls for the guy that is so openly head over heels for her from the get-go. however, she really needs some good character development first. her character is too childish and immature for now.
I don't think that's true. The once scene we saw of her wearing the sign in front of the news station is very telling. Here is a girl who has two mothers, a grandmother, an uncle and a father. All these people in her life yet they don't actually seem to care superficially at least about her. She feels abandoned and unloved. When you're a kid and you don't feel that you do everything you can to find attention wherever you can. Those two boys mooning over her probably help her deal with the fact that she has no one. Her father is in the hospital and no one else is around. Shes alone, vulnerable and unstable. The actress isn't doing a great job of portraying her that way (she should be slightly manic and a bit loud) but that's the intention as I read it.
3 bbstl
Okay, I'm 100% on board now. I want to know everything about everyone in this very extended family, even the two exes and what led to two divorces (and I haaaaated them both at the start of this episode), and how they will throw themselves at the chef. Lots and lots of oddball characters, it feels like they and we are in good hands. Loving our main three, can't wait for more.
4 blnmom
When Hwashin slid face-first into that wall, I was crying from laughing so hard. I know there are some things to not like about this drama, but dadgummit, it makes me laugh a lot.
I almost thought that it wasn't an acting, but a real accident haha.
Selaine
I thought the actor really fell!?
He's really good at the physical stuff. You should see him in Ghostess.
randomblah
Omg yes! It looked so painful yet so funny! Imagine if it took several takes to nail that scene
I loved this episode and everything related to the main trio. GHJ and JJS have perfect comic timing; one minute I'm laughing/chuckling/giggling and the next, my heart is aching for them.
Na-ri is AWESOME. I loved her send-off kiss.
I like it as she pitched off his cap, she had that determined looks on her face, someone authoritative scolding her junior.
Absolutely! How cool is it that he undermined her ability to choose whom she kisses, but she took it right back. It deserved a standing ovation and yet the whole scene was bittersweet and heartbreaking.
The ending had me squealing. Go Pyo Na-ri go! This love triangle looks to be a good one. ??
Jung-won telling his secretary, "I'm cheating" --- sold! Heh. I'm really looking forward on how things will play out.
Me too! Can't believe I'll be swooned by the word "cheating".
Farhee
Right??? I could'nt agree more.... at first i really disagree when they cast him as second lead, but nah... Let it be history... im now in jung won and na ri ship.... But i do likes hwa shin too... Poor my weak heart...
Hey either way we get one left over for us :)
purpleowl
Especially because he's not really cheating but realizing that he can fall in love instead of marrying a parent approved business partner.
What I wouldn't give to be in Na-ri's place, opening his eyes to love! Minus the whole JJS aspect because no matter how much he acts like a jerk, he can't convince me.
Jamie Prado
I never thought that word would make me root for someone. My gosh is he good at showing sweet motivations. He has a short amount of time to figure things out or lay it open to both women before I get upset with him cause cheating is not okay.
7 dramaspresso
This drama has really grown on me, it took 4 episodes but I think I'll stick with it!
Also, this is totally shallow of me but I love that in scenes where the character is supposed to be without makeup, the actress ACTUALLY has no makeup on! After years and years of watching drama characters 'wash their face', 'get ready for bed', 'wake up', or even freaking 'have surgery' somehow magically with a face full of makeup, it's super refreshing!
it's Gong Hyo Jin after all, she can embraced bad hair day anytime she wants
I love that about GHJ. She is amazingly good at being natural.
8 sumee
The opening week was a bit iffy for me but then ep 3 and 4 sealed the deal for me ...I am loving this show to pieces
This is just the right amount of weird for me
The brand of acting that jo jung suk and gong hyo Jin are bringing to this show is just fantastic
It's little dark,little deep some dry humor some laugh out loud moments ..
9 beansoverflowers
I LOVE THIS SHOW. And my mum likes it too. SCORE.
Thanks so much for keeping the updates for this show! I know it's not (yet) a favourite among the dramabeans crew.
10 neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
Watched the first two episodes and a little unsure whether I should continue or not. Then I figured I should wait for the recap for this week to see the comments and viola! Will check the episodes and see if it matches my mood hihihihi
11 Selaine
I would have thought that with Hwa-shin's macho man personality, any other type of cancer may not have resulted in embarrassment as much as having breast cancer (which is known to occur more commonly in women).
That's how I've perceived it. And I kinda understand his reaction.
It's like being told by the world not only are you a virile, healthy man not anymore but the universe has also decided to make it the form of cancer that reinforces that idea of not being a man. All of it wrapped up in the thoughts of what he did to his brother whom he loved and the girl he kinda sorta liked. Self hate mixed with a healthy dose of healthy maschismo.
12 Yoyo
This show is like a common cold, you try and avoid it but you still catch it.
Minaminami
OMG, I totally get it! I tried not to catch this cold, but I just can't. I'm a bit confuse with JW character, I felt like he's indifferent, lack of desire and commitment. HS though really is gold. The issue of breast cancer is also close to me as grandma passed away due to it, aunty and sister are fighting it now. And that mamogram test made me cringed.
Btw: I want a boyfriend like Chi yeol. Confident and jealous but caring and cute. Is there such man?
1. Sooner or later, we'll all be witness to an actual cat fight. Those 2 ahjumma's are counting days before they pull each others hair out. Team Weathergirls vs Team Announcers will most likely collide as well.
2. The bromance is real.
3. Hwashin better beat the cancer beast because I'm already invested in his complexity and haphazardly ways.
4. Poor chef has no idea on what he's getting himself into. Meow.
5. Pyo Na-ri should have upped her painkillers before sneaking out of the hospital. Seriously, that must've hurt like hell.
This is how you write a disagreeable lead male character. Lol.
I love this. I love everyone... Well, maybe not the teenagers yet, but the battle of the exes is bound to be epic. Also, that trio is just as gorgeous as the main love triangle. And I can't wait how their stories unfold.
Hwashin's character is someone you will love to hate. Someone you'd be willing to throw air punches at but at the same time someone you'd be rooting for to succeed. He's a flatout jerk but he's a jerk you're willing to take a crack at. He deserves a couple of slaps in the face but he's also someone you'd be willing to give a bear hug to. Hwashin is not your ideal man but he will be someone you'll be drawn into. Hwashin, unlike the typical male lead that's either a chaebol, a bad boy, a messed up soul, a hero in the making or a prince..he's none of those. He's a guy with so much ambition and because of that drive to succeed, he's received so much crass even from his own family. I love that he's not perfect and how much of an ass he really is, because it's a character that can grow and develop. He can either go the right path or the dark side which would probably welcome him with open arms. I love that he thinks so highly of himself but at times where he comically fails and becomes vulnerable is a side that will show you that there's still some good in him.
I hope this show continues on to have this character be the way he is. It would be tragic to let him change overnight. Lets first enjoy his ride of accepting the truth, dealing with reality and making the right decisions the Hwashin way.
Amen. Lol.
I just liked that he's a guy that made some shitty choices and actually paid for them. The three years in exile, loss of family and possibly a love. When was the last time a "hero" someone who actually earned it?
14 blnmom
OT - Saya, did you pull the Anne of the Island (I googled it) cats quote out of your brain or were you reading it recently? Because I've read the Anne series about 10 times now, and I still couldn't pull it out of my brain. Impressive.
I'm a nerd XD (or in the words of LMA: "She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain.")
Anne of the Island has always been my favourite of all LMM's books, and that line's lived in my head for yeeears (and I use it often). It's a perennially relevant observation! I think it's the chapter, "Anne's Book of Revelations", Pacifique Buote.
But who actually says the line? Huge LMM fan, read all her books, but cant place the quote.
You are amazing, i have the books and read them many times in the past but I can't pull those quotes out too :)
blnmom
It was a side character named Alec. (Don't be impressed, that was also Google.)
I'm going to have to start memorizing Anne quotes, I can't let Saya outdo me in Anne-fangirling. :-)
"Spiteful old cats," was Gilbert's elegant comment.
Lol. Rereading AOTI right now, and then I read Saya's comment. I don't remember where that's from, though. :D
Love how they cut the scene and roll over with the flashbacks. That's a smart way of showcasing a flashback sequence.
16 blueribbon
I will probably watch this show entirely later but I have been following the comments, reading the recaps and watching a few scenes here and there. I feel like the story about HS having breast cancer is a great way to educate the population about this without being censored (you know the censorship of woman's breasts and not man's). Kind of that story that was going around on the internet a couple months ago were an organization made a video teaching woman how to check for breast cancer by using a man as a model so that they weren't censored. So far this show has shown how mammograms are done and how painful they can be. They also mention that men as well as women are substantial to breast cancer, which is an important topic that is not often discussed. In a scene during the surgery they showed NR procedure on the screen then when the camera zoomed out we were seeing HS. I think they were trying to show that it didn't matter if the person was a man or a woman the procedure looks and it's the same for both. I also had a laugh at seeing HS wearing a pink hospital gown, being in a pink room and everything being pink, poor guy, another hit to his bruised ego. The scene after the scene was also funny both are great actors and the bickering between the two was truly funny. Thanks for the recap Saya :)
blueribbon
"The scene after the Scene" wow I just noticed that -_- I meant the scene after the surgery.
17 Barbrey
This episode was slightly anticlimatic for me after ep 3 but i still really liked it. I dont get how he could have let her go to the broadcast. He could have phoned the station boss. Surely anyone would understand. I think he was afraid theyd ask how he knew. I just felt her pain so badly, and how anyone could think she looked beautiful in that dress when her face looked like she was at deaths door ...
I guess theyll get it when her wound opens up and she starts bleeding? I hope that doesnt happen for her brothers sake. His mom died of breast cancer I think. Maybe she'll just faint.
imbuk
I don't think her wound will open. In real life, maybe. In dramas, not really. So, don't worry. I think according to the preview, jung won will take her back to the hospital and she ll start liking him.
On the topic of her work his interference would probably have netted him a giant kick in the ass right out the window. He's not suicidal.
18 lunatic4kd
I am loveloveloving this drama so much!!! The hospital scenes were so realistic - especially recovering from surgery. So true! I feel like laughing and crying at the same time. The actors are perfect and the story is wonderful. I'm 100% sold and think the ratings are going to soar!
19 imbuk
This episode was awesome. When pyo na ri kissed him, I was like "yeah, show him who's the boss". And I loved her wardrobe in the flashback scenes. And the music is too good, like even after I finished watching, it was looping through my mind. I don't know how I didn't notice the music in previous week's episodes.
20 Livii
Im just reading the recaps for now but Chi yeol has stolen my heart.
21 eugene
Love it more and more in every new episode, even though most of episode 4 story was spent in hospital, but i feel it's not boring at all. Can't wait for new episodes!
22 alua
<I find her surly and manipulative, and I'd like to know why everyone's dotty for her, and how she earned such unswerving loyalty from the boys
I feel exactly the same about Pal-gang. I also know I'm supposed to feel bad for her with her dad being on life support in hospital... but I'm not feeling anything?
And generally, I'm still not invested in any of the side characters (the two ex-wife sisters in particular) – it's only the main trio that pulls me in. Especially Na-ri and Hwa-shim plus the bromance between Hwa-shim and Jung-won. The Jung-won/Na-ri bit actually doesn't do that much for me either, mostly because I think Jung-won is too passive and lets his affections for Na-ri be steamrolled whenever his secretary/blind date/some 'high class' person shows up... which makes me find him a bit too cowardly.
Hwa-Shim can be a jerk but I see so much vulnerability and protective shell that he puts up as a defense that I can't get too upset. He just needs to be straight out told that he's being a jerk and that it's still obvious that he's not the macho man he pretends to be. That's why Na-ri is awesome, whether when she cries for him when learning that he has cancer or when she offers to let him kiss her (she understood how broken he felt) and especially when she then kisses him, not letting him get away with his games but taking control herself.
Yes, i think you are right when you said that Jung Won is too passive. I don't understand how some viewers can claim that they have second lead syndrome already! Jung Won has also yet to interact with Nari as much as Hwa-shin. Perhaps in the subsequent episodes we may see more Jung Won - Nari interactions but to date, i just think that the chemistry between the main leads is exploding hahaha. Totally rooting for the main leads at this point^^
The passivity is supposed to be seen as some form of dignity and cute shyness. I think it's bullshit but some people eat it all up.
He is cute but it makes sense to be passive at this point he wanted to figure out what he was feeling before he did something he can't take back.
23 Rach ^^
Still have no feel towards this drama. :(
Dont watch it then... It's simple logic...
24 selchie
I don't know. I like this drama less and less with each episode. I particularly found Na-ri crying loathsome. Ok, she has a history. Keep it to yourself before somebody is having surgery. Obnoxious, selfish, self-involved... this really turned me off her character. I don't find much to like in any of the characters right now actually-they all seem like variations on this.
beansoverflowers
I took her crying as a heartwrenching sympathy for him, because she's seen it first hand in her own relatives? I thought it showcased the easy sort of love she has for the people around her.
And I understand how he should come first, since he's the one with the cancer, but it's not very helpful to say 'fine you have a history but keep it to yourself'? That seems quite cruel to me. Trauma sticks with you.
selchie
Trauma sticks with you, yes, it doesn't excuse that type of behavior. If you have to cry, go do it out of the room, for Pete's sake, not at his bedside.
She's not a child, but she acts like one-easy love for people is right. It is both an attractive and an extremely unattractive quality in her. Remember when Haw-shim says he doesn't like easy women? Maybe this isn't exactly what he meant, but yes, her love is easy-no depth to it. Like a child's. How does she know him, besides the obvious? Why does she like him, besides the obvious? Somebody above said she is immature, and I think that is exactly right. And, like an immature child, she behaves in a selfish, self-centered way.
snailshell
I don't know how we're interpreting crying out of sympathy as selfish and self-centred, though...
Because a) it is less out of sympathy-at least in my view- than it is about her and her trauma/history
b) she is doing it in front of him, instead of being private about it.
And while he is, in theory, trying to sleep!
Look, there is a line between being sympathetic and making it All About You. Na-ri does the latter, and I think she would know better, having had sick relatives. It is like saying to somebody "I know how you feel," when, no, sorry, you don't.
Which is not actually what she is doing, but it has the same element of-this is about ME and my personal experiences and not about you. So yes, she should keep it to herself. She's scared? Ok, she should be scared in private, or with somebody else, not at the side of his bed, when he is scared enough. So, yes, selfish- her fears/trauma/what have you are taking precedence. Like a child's.
PeepsLeAwesomePotato
If you have to cry, go do it out of the room, for Pete's sake, not at his bedside.
She cried at her own bed. Why does she have to go find another place to cry alone though? She paid just as much as him for the bed and the place.
And, maybe she's crying more for herself and her own trauma than for him, so what? Not everything has to be about him.
Remember when Hwa-shin says he doesn't like easy women? Maybe this isn't exactly what he meant, but yes, her love is easy-no depth to it. Like a child's. How does she know him, besides the obvious? Why does she like him, besides the obvious?
Erm... but she doesn't demand him to like her back, so I don't see what the problem is here. Does every love and crush have to be deep? Especially one that isn't expected to go anywhere?
I don't know. She's not particularly selfish or self-centered to me. A little insensitive? Yes. Immature? Yes. But that's just a normal human. Not everyone takes other people's feelings as precedence before theirs.
alua
Not finding her selfish or self-centred at all. Her life revolves around lowering herself to other people, doing any shit job that comes her way so she can take care of her family. She isn't doing things for herself, she is constantly thinking of others.
Don't think she is an 'easy woman' at all. Others may perceive her that way, but my impression so far is actually that she hasn't dated at all (or has barely dated) because she's just too busy with keeping everything in her life together.
Her feelings for Hwa-shim – she had a crush, so what. It's actually one of the most realistic crushes I've seen in kdramas, because unlike too-many-kfemales she is not totally hung up about the guy she liked that didn't respond to her affections. She liked him in the past, admitted her feelings, got rejected, and just went on with her life. She faces him head-on now rather then self-pitying herself over him or clinging to him but instead has moved on and is now looking at another guy. The normal scenario in kdramas is women who wallow in their own misery waiting for the guy to fall for them five-ten years on....
Might she still have feelings for him? Possible. But the impression I get from her is that if Hwa-shim never talked to her again, she'd go on to live a happy life and love someone else with her whole heart, something which the majority kdrama females (heroines or love rivals) seem to be utterly incapable of.
Sure, she started out crying in her own bed (still inconsiderate) but ended up next to him, crying while looking down at him.
To reduce it to money misses the point in my opinion. Great you paid for something. That gives you the right to act however you want, regardless of the other people involved?
As far as the crush goes - I'm not saying it has to be deep, I'm just saying it is also an example of immature behavior. And I don't have a problem with immature crushes - I have a problem with immature, selfish behavior. Like when she is crying at his bedside. Though maybe - depending on how she acted before - the crush was also selfish -maybe it made him feel uncomfortable?
I agree that everybody is, to a greater or lesser degree, insensitive and immature. That is being a normal human, true. And I don't think most people think other people's feelings have precedence over their own. But part of being a grown up is learning how to be less insensitive and less immature. How to sometimes let other people and their feelings take precendence over your own. How sometimes, despite your own problems/pain/trauma, recognize that what you're feeling isn't the MOST important at every moment and how to put your personal stuff aside for somebody's else sake.
And - as the counterpart to this - isn't that ability necessary to really love somebody - instead of just having a crush? Na-ri might have a crush, but, no, she doesn't love Hwa-shim.
I'm not sure if I'll keep watching, though I'm enjoying the discussion, so maybe I will, just on that basis.
@Debby:
To be honest, I can't really remember her crying at HwaShim's bedside. I only remember her crying on her side. When she was at HwaShim's bedside, he was punking her. And when did she ever look down on him?
Yes, perhaps money was not the best argument but what I was trying to say is that she had as much right to her space as he does to his. What she does in her space is her right, and until he directly tells her to shut up, I have no problem with her crying at all. It's not like she's really disturbing him and causing him harm. Sure, there might be a bit of inconvenience, but anyone with a neighbour has to put up with that much.
And even if she did all of those, I wouldn't have labelled her selfish or immature either, because they both know each other and even share the same sad fate/history of breast cancer, which gives them more leeway than the average stranger when it comes to "disturbing" the other. It's like people in the same boat commiserating with each other. You can't even say that it was NaRi who one-sidedly loaded her burdens on him because it was HwaShim who volunteered information about his own condition and worries. In my opinion, she just reacted to it.
Not sure about what she's done with her crush but from what I've seen, neither have made real enemies out of each other, so... I have nothing to say about that. And if he did feel uncomfortable, he should have told her. If he did and she still continued with her ways, then she's at fault. Until then, it's just people interacting and dancing around their feelings.
Regarding what you said about NaRi being unable to put aside her feelings for the other person (or what I understood of it), I have to agree with alua in that I don't agree with you at all. She's shown to be selfless, too selfless actually, in her everyday actions. So she had a moment where her feelings overwhelmed her. That doesn't define who she is as a person.
I'd agree with you that NaRi doesn't have the ability to love right now, but only because she doesn't love herself and not because she can't put her feelings aside for the other person. And I don't really care that she doesn't love HwaShim.
Well, to watch or not is of course your choice and I won't my opinions on you whatsoever. It's just that we don't really see eye to eye, regarding NaRi, which is fair.
I think GHJ specifically picks women to play who are like that. I admire her for it.
At the moment, the most heartwarming thing here is Nari and Chiyeol's siblinghood. You can see that they really care for each other and that Chiyeol looks up a lot to his sister, even though she despises her lack of career achievement.
26 Coco
Does anyone know what happened to the other female news reader with the longer hair? Isn't she the second lead that's supposed to be matched make for JW?
Why some sites are calling this show "Don't dare to dream"? It's really different compared to Jealousy Incarnate...
When I first read the title, I assumed that there will be love triangles with the jealousy between the trios but now it seems the jealously expands to between the anchors vs newsreaders & newsreaders vs weather readers & even among the weather readers...
Totally in love with Nari's fashion...
I really hate the other title, "don't dare to dream".
Like, everyday life is already telling you that, so I hate it even more. Also, it's such a HUGE bummer.
Agreed horrible title. Accurate though...
27 Yanii
Hey Saya! I really love the way you write. Love your analysis of this show it's so on point. Chingo Fighting!!!
"Not finding her selfish or self-centred at all. Her life revolves around lowering herself to other people, doing any shit job that comes her way so she can take care of her family. She isn't doing things for herself, she is constantly thinking of others."
That doesn't mean she's exempt from being selfish - people can do great things for other people and still be selfish in the way they act in other ways. And even in the way they do great things for other people - sure, she's doing this job so she can take care of her family - but she also wants to be an announcer. Ok, fine...I don't have a problem with that. But it isn't entirely without self-interest. She even said a few times maybe she should do something else - something more stable, with more money.
"Don't think she is an 'easy woman' at all. Others may perceive her that way, but my impression so far is actually that she hasn't dated at all (or has barely dated) because she's just too busy with keeping everything in her life together."
That wasn't intended to be my interpretation of "easy." My interpretation of "easy" was intended to be that of a child's "easy" love. Nothing much demanded or required, inspired by very little..she loves easily. I don't think this is particularly bad - in fact, I think it is often good - but it isn't an adult love, no? It is the immature crush we're talking about - like you said, she could probably easily move on to somebody else.
I'll jump in a bit here:
"That doesn't mean she's exempt from being selfish – people can do great things for other people and still be selfish in the way they act in other ways. And even in the way they do great things for other people – sure, she's doing this job so she can take care of her family – but she also wants to be an announcer. Ok, fine…I don't have a problem with that. But it isn't entirely without self-interest. She even said a few times maybe she should do something else – something more stable, with more money."
I agree with you. She isn't exempt form selfishness. However that doesn't immediately put her in the camp I think you find her. She cried for herself and you felt that it was taking away from the pain that someone else felt. It was rude and immature.
My interpretation was similar in that I disliked that she cried but not because of her. I kind of blamed him and not her. He knows her. he knows the reactions such news would illicit and he's using her to validate his own feelings. People focused on the fake out kiss scene but the manipulation started earlier. He chose to use her as a source of emotional support/validation. He's the guy who needs to have someone cry over him. I don't see this as wrong (everyone wants sympathy and love) but it makes both of them seem like selfish (very human) people. I thought the scene could have been better blocked and setup but it played well for me.
<I kind of blamed him and not her.
Yeah...... I can't find anything "selfish" in her crying for him, but then we've got Hwa-shim, who wants to be kissed to assure himself of his manly, sexual appeal. And wants to be kissed by someone he is not in a relationship with, worse, someone who used to have feelings for him that he rejected – personally, that's what I would call selfish (and cruel).
@Debby
<but it isn't an adult love
I don't know. You seem to have very fixed categories for everything. I don't see why a crush should necessarily be considered "immature" or "non-adult" and only specific kinds of feelings count as 'properly adult'. I can't quite follow all the straight lines you draw, I don't see people, their actions and feelings the way you seem to... We'll just have to agree to disagree.
It might be cultural translation. I've always taken a moment and translated crush as feelings. A crush can be childish in a linguistic sense but for an adult women to ahve feelings for someone is more powerful. The word crush may be at the root of why it feels every childish. As ironic as this is kids have crushes while adults have infatuations/feelings.
29 clover
I was not expecting what this show is giving me...but I like it.
First THANK YOU wardrobe department for letting Gong Hyo-jin look pretty!
Went into this thinking it was going to be more along the lines of 'The Producers' type feel. Light and funny. Then they introduced the cancer line and I was a bit like 'Whaaaa?"
The cancer plot line seems to add such a new direction. Pyo Na-Ri has only ever looked at Lee Hwa-Shin through rose colored glasses. And Lee Hwa-Shin seems to only have seen Pyo Na-Ri as some sort of fan girl with a teenage crush.
The both of them having ,or possibly having, a life changing illness strips away a lot of pretense. Na-Ri isn't looking at Hwa-Shin's illness, but at 'him' and is not liking what she sees. And Hwa-Shin is beginning to see that Na-Ri isn't a just a silly fan girl, but someone with the strength to look a really hard situation in the face and just say, 'life is difficult! Just deal with it! Overcome!'
On a side note, I don't think I have ever seen any other show deal with cancer or illness in such a direct yet really relatable human way. It isn't over dramatizing or making fun of what happens to these patiences. I like this show for that.
Comedies tend to be better at humanizing a tragedy by default. Dramas focused on the melo aspects can't seem to leave well enough alone when it comes to diseases. It can't just be cancer as if that wasn't horrific enough.
30 Denali
Just wanted to point out one funny bit during the noraebang scenes. When Nari asked Hwashin to sing a duet together but got a refusal on his part, although he eventually sang with someone else (alas I did not recognize the song), the ladies behind were singing SISTAR's "나 혼자" aka "I am alone". How fitting and clever from the PD/SW to describe Nari's mindset.
31 RLD
When he did that "can I kiss you?" thing; so he would feel he was/is still "a sexually appealing man even though he has breast cancer", then decides not to once he had her permission...honestly, he deserved the slap she gave him, but, rightfully SHE SHOULD HAVE HIT HIM HARDER. He deserved to be smacked so hard his body would have been knocked back onto the bed, w/ a red mark left on his face. His deciding he really wasn't going to do it once he knew he could, and the crappy things he said....he's an A-hole junior high boy. On what planet does a grown man, even a vain-glorious one, think there is any justification for such a selfish and cruel act?
How she dealt w/ it later in the hallway was really great. Her telling him that she decides whether to be kissed or not was excellent. She took the power out of his smug hands and gave him the better slap down he deserved. Then...then...he decides she is worthy of his affection/admiration after all??? Geeeezzzz, he has so much growing up to do. He was a mess before the breast cancer diagnoses, w/ it he has become a toxic mess. In reality, he is someone to stay away from, but, this is a KDrama, so, that's not going to happen:)
32 Lizzy4e
Is the surgeon Choi ji-woo? And is she pregnant?
If the answer is yes to both questions. .. AWESOME! ? joy joy joy
33 Laila
I have always loved watching GHJ act. So refreshing. Never over the top always hit the right buttons. And i love the male lead. Since i watch OMG i loved him.
This is the kind of acting/drama i expect in contemporary Kdramas. Relatable and fresh.
Watching it all the way. I am a die hard fan of GHJ.
34 joy
I think this drama should set the pace for the second lead to get the girl. In all kdramas, the first lead ALWAYS ends up with the girl.
Here we have a lead who is proud and arrogant. he knows he likes her but won't admit it /he thinks she isn't up to his standard /he deserves better. I'd say he thinks too highly of himself.
His friend on the other hand is far richer than him, but doesn't look down on people. Let the sincere, humble guy get the prize, IMO.
35 Bongsommie
*squealssss*
*rubbing hands together*
Please cheat ???
I'm really shipping them together though i know in the end item be hwa shin.?
36 video lagu kun anta
globe the whole thing is available on web?
37 Superbtehteh
The drama is quite lovely.... Am Nigerian and for over four years now I have been following kdrama very ardently. But I want To point out that it's kind of disappointing the way most kdramout never deviate from /still follow the same basic plot. The girl loves the boy and is helpless around him, always submits herself to him, never daring to say her mind, stand up for her own believes, always being the pleaser. I would like to see for a change one that the female lead with the crush will after rejection move away for some time the female return with a whole new confidence and candour courtesy of new live changes and experiences. If possible get a smashing physical makeover and become too hot to handle ofcourse with every guy in the building running after her while she doesn't give a flying hoot nor seem to remember her former crush for the male.
I would like to see the disbelief and shock on the face of the male lead On Re encountering the new and much more hotter version of The female he once rejected and thought less of. I should like to see him start afresh in developing and realising his new feeling for the lead which will get better if the female maintains some charisma and positive charm with subtle arrogance/sarcasm thrown in when around him. Plus a hot and charismatic second lead who the female will get engrossed with.
Like i said Although the female lead may not have developed her new attitude immediately. It could take being out the country n back or being out of site of the male lead for some or a long time for these changes to have taken place in her. All these elements will definitely throw the unsuspecting male lead off guard and lead him to recognise his own former unidentified feelings for her.
There should also be an avenue for the male lead to witness some vulnerability and weakness in her at some point WHICJ will draw them close and make him sympathise with her or want to protect her.
This is what I really look forward to seeing. Can anyone recommend a drama that Feautures a lot of this if not completely. Will be so grateful!!!
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39 grace
Your comments were great! You really hit all the points that were on my mind about the drama so far :)
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