"Conservative Civil Disobedience?"
Hillsdale College ^ | 13/2/16 | Charles Murray
Posted on 12/10/2019 2:19:34 PM PST by Eleutheria5
Regarding his book: "By the People: Rebuilding Liberty Without Permission"
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: founders; madisonfund; pushback; regulation
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Unfortunately, there is a Madison Investment Fund, so if it hasn't been set up already, the trademark would have to be secured for The Madison Fund. He mentions at the end of the lecture that he got a lot of mail from people asking if they could get in touch with the fund for a case of theirs, offering to make sizable contributions, etc. It's a great idea! And a lot has happened since early 2016, but such an organization should have been set up in 1932, if not earlier.
I did find one such organization inspired by Murray:
https://medium.com/@AdamThierer/the-innovator-s-defense-fund-what-it-is-and-why-it-s-needed-56e4181cf090
1 posted on 12/10/2019 2:19:34 PM PST by Eleutheria5
To: Eleutheria5
2 posted on 12/10/2019 2:19:51 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
They did it.
We should already be doing it.
Hopefully, we WILL do it.
And dare the talking anuses (or ani - both mean Democrat) to do anything about it.
3 posted on 12/10/2019 2:23:16 PM PST by Da Coyote (is)
To: Da Coyote
They're going to say that Murray's a racist because of The Bell Curve, and therefore the idea is racist, even if he only came up with it. But that won't hold water for a black or brown restaurant owner who keeps getting shut down by health inspectors no matter how clean his establishment is.
What form would conservative disobedience take? Not paying your taxes? That would be the most logical but you'd need to be prepared to go to the poor house or to jail. Seems like there must be something else a conservative could do.
5 posted on 12/10/2019 2:34:55 PM PST by Brilliant
Ten barefoot girls with shoes on stood sitting on the grass.
6 posted on 12/10/2019 2:35:29 PM PST by coaster123 (Distrust everyone under sixty.)
To: Brilliant
There is a video of Charles Murray lecturing on the specifics of it. Do bother to listen.
you'd need to be prepared to go to the poor house or to jail.
Which is EXACTLY why civil disobedience will NEVER happen. (see tagline)
8 posted on 12/10/2019 2:39:59 PM PST by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
To: dware
Libs do it and get away with it. Surely there is something a conservative could do that would not land you in jail or get your house seized.
Surely there is something a conservative could do that would not land you in jail or get your house seized.
"If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
Too late. Your post illustrates the fact that we care more about wealth than liberty. Welcome to peaceful slavery. God rest the Republic.
10 posted on 12/10/2019 2:51:26 PM PST by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
Think of all time he wealthy libs who get away with it though.
11 posted on 12/10/2019 2:53:46 PM PST by Brilliant
To: Brilliant; sauropod
They pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor and, in most cases, delivered with horrifying results:
George Walton of Georgia was wounded and captured in 1778 leading his state's militia in the defense of his hometown of Savannah.
Thirty-year-old Thomas Heyward, Jr. of South Carolina signed the declaration at the great displeasure of his father, who was sympathetic to the king and told Thomas he would likely hang for the act. The two men resolved their differences before the elder Heyward died the next year. Two years later, Thomas, along with fellow South Carolina signers Edward Rutledge and Arthur Middleton, were taken prisoner in the siege of Charleston and held nearly a year to the war's end.
Richard Stockton of New Jersey had his home overrun by the British invasion. He managed to get his family to safety, but he was captured, specifically because he signed the Declaration of Independence. He remained imprisoned for years, the last half year of which he nearly starved and froze to death. In battered health, he was released and returned to his home to find that all his furniture, crops, and livestock were taken or destroyed, and his library—one of the colony's best—was burned.
John Witherspoon of New Jersey, an active clergyman and president of the College of New Jersey (later to become Princeton), shut down and evacuated the school when British troops invaded the area. He spent most of the rest of his life rebuilding the college. Witherspoon also lost his son James in the battle of Germantown.
Thomas McKean of Delaware led an army the day after signing the declaration to help George Washington in the defense of New York City and narrowly escaped with his life from cannon fire. In the next year he was on the run from the British, having to move his family five times.
John Hart of New Jersey was also pursued by the British. His property was invaded and looted. Two of his young children fled to relatives' homes nearby, and Hart himself took refuge where he could in the surrounding woods and in nearby caves. He returned to his home a few months later, and a few years after that he offered the fields surrounding his property as an encampment to Washington and 12,000 troops.
Lewis Morris of New York lost almost all of his property and wealth in the war, much of it within just two months of signing the Declaration of Independence. He served as a brigadier general during the war and spent nearly all his post-war days working to rebuild his property and farmlands. His frail wife was imprisoned by the British and never recovered her health.
Philip Livingston of New York was forced from residence to residence by the British armies. His first two homes became a British barracks and hospital, and the other two homes were burned to the ground. In addition to the properties he lost to the enemy, he sold several others to support the colonial war effort, and died suddenly in 1778 before he could rebuild.
Lyman Hall, on the advice of General Washington, took his wife and son and fled his Georgia home for Connecticut, where he remained for two years until the war's end. He returned to his property in Georgia, but he had lost most of what he had.
Carter Braxton of Virginia invested a large amount of his wealth in the revolutionary effort, as well as the shipping and privateering industry, which furnished the war effort with supplies. The debt that he incurred forced him to leave his estate and move to a smaller home.
Robert Morris of Pennsylvania surpassed all when it came to putting up his personal fortunes to support the war effort. Before any country or major bank was willing to extend credit to the fledgling United States, Morris was there. The $10,000 that he loaned the new government supplied Washington's desperate troops, who went on to defeat the British at Trenton. Like Braxton, he also supported the shipping industry that delivered provisions to the soldiers and citizens. Morris never recovered his pre-war wealth, but his investment helped turn the tide of war in favor of the Americans and helped established the United States as a nation.
Source: "The Courage of America's Founding Fathers" https://www.familylife.com/articles/topics/life-issues/relationships/men/the-courage-of-americas-founding-fathers/)
But hey, we wouldn't want to lose that mortgage, the RV, the boat, the toys, or the booze we drink while watching the "Big Game" on that new flatscreen TV, right?
One thing you could do is refuse to work. Then you don't owe the taxes but you're still poor.
And will continue to. Why worry about them? Nothing is going to stop them. They are pure evil, and that is what is coming. We need to be worried about us, and how we respond.
Go Galt. Freedom isn't free, you know.
There is one thing I can think of. Resisting political correctness. Own a gun. The problem is that we have small imaginations.
Resisting political correctness. Own a gun.
We've been doing so for decades. We resist, resist, resist. The goal is not to resist. The goal is to wipe the enemy of ANY motivation to fight back.
Yep. The libs have been more successful at this. But I suspect there will one day be an opportunity to get even.
Been thinking about this a lot today -
Wear it like a badge of honor! First I was a BITTER CLINGER, then I was DEPLORABLE, and now I am in CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS!
I'm self identifying and confessing that what the dems are trying to do is CONTEMPTABLE, and I hold them in the utmost CONTEMPT.
Come and get me, Schitt...
19 posted on 12/10/2019 3:11:57 PM PST by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
Conservative disobedience? Does that mean like, I no longer have to put my trash in a receptacle at tea party rallies?
20 posted on 12/10/2019 3:23:35 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)