What Happened To Premise 1?
Posted by Harvey on October 1, 2001 21:13:15 UTC
Let's save time and just rehash your argument:
(1) Something material exists for no reason which we call 'stuff'
(2) This 'stuff' has natural properties *not* determined by if-thenism.
(3) This 'stuff' is representable by symbolic notation (e.g., 1='stuff' 0=no 'stuff')
(4) This symbolic representation is enough to account for the body of logic and mathematics via if-thenism.
(5) As a representation this body of logic and mathematics restrict the properties of (2)
>>>Anything existing obeys mathematics by definition
Existence ITSELF is a fact which we label "1". - alexander - October 1, 2001 - 23:00 UTC
'0' requires comparison with '1' to have meaning - dolphin - October 1, 2001 - 23:35 UTC
Nope. Not required.It is just another sybmol for "non existence" - alexander - October 1, 2001 - 23:49 UTC
Your concept relies on "existence" reference - dolphin - October 3, 2001 - 07:22 UTC
Let's rehash some more - harvey1 - October 2, 2001 - 00:27 UTC
Explaining once more time (in little hope you will get it). - alexander - October 2, 2001 - 00:59 UTC
Here's the problem - harvey1 - October 2, 2001 - 03:17 UTC
I found the problem. - alexander - October 2, 2001 - 20:02 UTC
Good insight - harvey1 - October 2, 2001 - 20:21 UTC
Yes, physical and mathematical existence is the same thing. - alexander - October 2, 2001 - 23:54 UTC
So then... - harvey1 - October 3, 2001 - 00:44 UTC
Conceptually - yes. - alexander - October 3, 2001 - 03:33 UTC
I think you should know my answer - harvey1 - October 3, 2001 - 04:37 UTC
I did not know philosophy already has a name for it. - alexander - October 3, 2001 - 17:45 UTC
Clarification - harvey1 - October 3, 2001 - 18:17 UTC
Correction - harvey1 - October 3, 2001 - 18:18 UTC
But what do you think about lack of "physical" objects/concepts? - alexander - October 3, 2001 - 19:14 UTC
You don't want to know - harvey1 - October 3, 2001 - 19:39 UTC
I'd rather call it materialism. - alexander - October 3, 2001 - 20:07 UTC
I knew you weren't gonna like it - harvey1 - October 3, 2001 - 20:52 UTC
Mathematical idealism - harvey1 - October 3, 2001 - 21:28 UTC
Harvey, what is your opinion about philosophy in general and - alexander - October 4, 2001 - 21:23 UTC
Philosophy - harvey1 - October 4, 2001 - 22:57 UTC
I'm thinking of it in another way - free_willy - October 2, 2001 - 21:04 UTC
You have to analyse what '1' actually means - dolphin - October 3, 2001 - 07:24 UTC