New LEVERGUN cartridge?
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Re: New LEVERGUN cartridge?
Post by RIDERED350r » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:02 pm
cas wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:48 pm
RIDERED350r wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:25 pm
Would you be so kind as to measure the case length of the 360BH and post your findings?
Sorry I didn't see this till just now.
Post by shaman » Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:21 am
I'm in a situation that might benefit from the Buckhammer. I grew up a Buckeye, and hunted for several years under the shotgun-only rules. Once I got access to land in Kentucky, I crossed the bridge and haven't gone back in over 20 years.
I have a 200 acre farm in SW Bracken County, about 10 miles from the Ohio River. It would be nice to hunt Ohio. When the new PCR rules came out, I started working on a suitable rifle. I'll be honest, once a guy like me takes a 30-06 and pole-axes a 275 lb buck across a pasture, there really is no going home. I tried 30-30, 44 Magnum and 357 Magnum. None of these gave me the warm fuzzies, but I've kept trying. I currently have a ratbag Marlin 336 in the back of the safe that I'm pondering sending off to JES for a rebore. I'd originally thought 38-55, but 360 Buckhammer looks even better, at least to my taste.
Back about decade ago, I took on a project to make all my 35-somethings capable of shooting cast lead. That list included 357 Mag pistols and rifles, and a Remington 7600 in 35 Whelen. With the way things were looking at the time, it looked like a prudent step. You probably know this: the selection of .358 bullets and 358 molds is much better than .375. Half the time, I can't find a deer-ready jacketed .375 bullet in stock. The 360 Buckhammer would just fit right in. I've got all the fixings already.
Now that I'm retired, I'll have the time now to run deer camp in Kentucky, close up shop and trot over to Ohio for a week. At the very least, I'd like to be able to spend a day or two in KY's season kicking it up old school with an Ohio-ready gun. However, I'm not as thrilled with that idea when I look at my 12 GA bone crushers on the wall and remember what a 3 inch slug load feels like.
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Post by Bill in Oregon » Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:52 am
Shaman, nothing quite as bracing as bench-testing three-inch Brennekes is there?
I finally said enuf! and went back to 2 3/4 Remmie Sluggers.
I just had a bum realization: a 30-30 can't be rebored to 360 BuckHammer. Drat.
Post by FLINT » Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:15 am
I grew up hunting in a shotgun only area in the 80s and 90s and it SUCKED. We used Brenekes as they were the best option back then. when I moved to a rifle county the first thing I did was buy a 30-30 and never touched the shotgun again. 30-30 had like 1/10th the recoil and was 10 times better at killing deer - so according to my math, that makes it at least 100 times better. I couldn't believe how accurate the 30-30 was and how quickly it put deer down. After hunting with smoothbore shotguns exclusively, the 30-30 was like a space age lazer gun. SO, if I lived in a state that had the straightwall requirement, I'd be first in line for the 360 Buckhammer! Sounds like the best option for those states - especially since ammo will likely actually be available and not $80 per box (like 38-55).
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Post by crs » Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:48 am
I agree with a previous comment;
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Post by AJMD429 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:52 pm
shaman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:22 am I finally said enuf! and went back to 2 3/4 Remmie Sluggers.
375 Winchester would still be a good option I'm guessing...
There are a number of wildcats out there of course but getting a custom barrel for them is expensive and a lot of times feeding could be an issue without the internals being modified a little bit.
Lots of cartridges have been available and break open single shots however, so don't discount that option. It's pretty rare to need a second shot and generally if you've got one in your hand or on a rifle buttstock cartridge holder, a follow-up shot is fairly fast.
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Post by cas » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:17 pm
I hunted for half my hunting life in a shotgun only area, wishing I could use a rifle. That's what got me into single shot shotguns, always seeing deer too far for the slug gun.
About 15 years ago they switched it to rifle. Since then, the farthest deer I've shot was about 70 yards. Most of them under 45 yards.
I was thinking about this again today, while shooting a rifle firing 600+ gr bullets at around 1100 fps. I have more than a few with similar ballistics. What irony.
Slow is just slow.
Post by Griff » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:23 pm
I'm still wondering what it does that the .375 Winchester doesn't.
Post by RIDERED350r » Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:47 pm
Griff wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:23 pm I'm still wondering what it does that the .375 Winchester doesn't.
Meets the 1.800" maximum case length limitation in one or two of the straight wall only states.
RIDERED350r wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:47 pm
Yeah,well... other'n that, just a warmed over 357 Maximum, that's still a too skinny cartridge! Obviously, the additional .02" in diameter is of great benefit!
Griff wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:34 pm
I hear ya.
I live in a state where we can use anything from a 223 to 700NE. But if I lived and hunted where such restrictions had to be complied with, the 360BH would be pretty attractive to me.
My 45-60WCF doesn't even meet the 1.800" case length limit. It comes in .065" over. Everything I own would be off limits except for my two rifles chambered in 45 Colt.
Yeah, no such restrictions here, I'd have never moved here if there were... and where those restrictions exist, it gets too cold for me! If only it weren't in a Henry.
RIDERED350r wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:47 pm Meets the 1.800" maximum case length limitation in one or two of the straight wall only states.
Bet you can't guess where I live with the rules being 22cal and up, no rimfire for big game. I think you would be shocked
Post by FLINT » Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:49 pm
probably Alaska
for Deer In VA the minimum caliber is I think .23 cal. centerfire (in counties that allow rifles that is). that's the only regulation. pistols must produce at least 350 ft. lbs. airguns must be at least 35 cal. muzzleloading rifles must be at least 40 cal.
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Post by OldWin » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:54 am
The only thing we can't use here is. 22 short, long, or LR. The .22 magnum is good to go. Right along with anything else.
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Post by RIDERED350r » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:50 am
In terms of handguns, the only requirement is centerfire. So we can use everything from 25ACP to 500 Bushwacker with handguns.
FLINT wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:49 pm probably Alaska
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Post by 4t5 » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:08 pm
GunnyMack, check this out, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sA5htOvczs,
Post by GunnyMack » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:18 pm
He answered all the stuff we have already discussed above.
After Henry announces it I might just order one!
Chuck Hawks has a good article about the legendary Load . . .
He's good with numbers and he catches those who are not . . .
https://www.chuckhawks.com/win_350_legend.html
Post by Bill in Oregon » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:02 pm
CAS: Watcha shootin' with 600 grains at 1100? Puts me in mind of a Pedersoli Kodiak .58 with mild target loads ...