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George Davis: How I Win
"Think quick, act quickly, claim everything in sight and watch every point. Run out every hit, take any kind of chances on the bases, make the other side throw."\
"That is the way to win in baseball."
Said George Davis, as part of a series of syndicated articles by Chicago journalist Joseph B. Bowles which asked some of baseball's biggest stars to talk about "How I Win."
George Davis
Davis' 20-year major league career had come to an end the previous season, and he was preparing to manage and play for the Des Moines Boosters in the Western League in 1910.
He said forcing the pace was key.
"(Making) the other club to give ground, assumes the aggressive end of the game and throws the other team on the defensive right at the start."
He said during his time with the 1906 world champions, people "used to call the White Stockings 'lucky'" because the team won close games:
"To one outside the game it really did look as if we were lucky, but the 'luck' was of our own making. We attacked so hard and steadily that the other teams threw away the game to us. That was one of the main reasons they called us the 'Hitless Wonders.' We did not rely so much on making base hits as we did upon forcing the other side to blunder."
That, and pitching:
"One of the principal causes of victory to a pennant winning team is in the selection of pitchers to work against certain teams on certain days. The condition of the sky is studied, the lights and shadows on the grounds, the condition of the grounds and the force and direction of the wind before a final selection is made."
David said he thought he understood "inside baseball and teamwork" before joining Chicago in 1904 and having the chance to "work with two such generals and (Charlie) Comisky and (Fielder) Jones."
By 1906, he said:
"I do not think there ever was a team as perfect in defensive and aggressive teamwork as the White Stockings were under Jones. Our system of signals was perfect, and besides that we had men with wonderfully acute powers of observation, and everyone worked together. It would be betray secrets to tell how much our men knew of the opposing team. Everything we know was either from experience or from observation and the study of men."
Yet, it could all be attributed to chance:
"And, after that is all done, and the manager has thought and worried gray hairs into his head, an umpire may miscall one strike and turn the entire game, which shows how much anyone really knows about how to win."
Davis might have been presaging his tenure in Des Moines. The 39-year-old hit just .192 and led the club to a 72-96, seventh place finish. He never played or managed again.
Tags: Charlie Comiskey, Chicago White Sox, Des Moines Boosters, Fielder Jones, George Davis, Joseph B. Bowles, Western League
"They Make just as many Fumbles as we did"
The summer before his death in 1932, 73-year-old Dan Brouthers, "Sat in the shade under the Yankee Stadium bleachers where Babe Ruth hits all those home runs."
Brouthers spoke to Harold Burr of The Brooklyn Eagle:
"(He) admits that baseball has changed quite a bit…'But it hasn't changed either,' the old fellow, a giant of a man in shirt sleeves and straw hat contradicted himself. 'I notice when the boys go out on the field nowadays, they make just as many fumbles as we did, pull just as many bones."
Dan Brouthers
Brouthers said he didn't believe players of his generation would have "ever made an error if," they played on the current fields.
"'Do you know I never saw a groundskeeper until I played in Brooklyn in '82? He was a curiosity. I used to take a rake myself and clean up around first base just before the game started. Then I'd pass it along to the second baseman, the third baseman.'
"'What about the shortstop?'
"'Oh, you mean Pop Smith?' questioned Brouthers, the old eyes that were keen enough once upon a time in the past for their owner to lead the big-league batters for five seasons, lit up in admiration: 'Pop didn't need any rake.'"
Brouthers told Burr he could not recall how many homeruns he hit but "remembers ever detail" of the 1887 World Series with the St. Louis Browns:
"Charlie Comiskey was on first base for them. Detroit slugged them to death, winning eight of the first 11 games. But the contract called for 15 games and we played it out. (Beginning with game 4) we went to Pittsburgh for a game—Brooklyn –New York—two games in Philadelphia—one in Washington—Baltimore—Boston—back to Brooklyn –Detroit—Chicago—and wound up in St. Louis. We traveled in a special train and were 28 days on the road.
"The crowds were good through all the barnstorming and the traveling World Series played to 15,000 and 20,000 people a day. Regular season prices prevailed—75 cents—in grandstand and 50 and 25 cents in the bleachers."
Brouthers didn't mention that he was injured and had just three at bats during the series, won by Detroit 10 games to five.
"No," said Brouthers in the end, 'the game hasn't changed. But I guess there are more good hitters around."
He said:
"'I see a lot of the Babe's homers up there,' pointing through the skeleton scaffolding of the bleachers looming above him. 'I like to watch (Chuck) Klein and (Lou) Gehrig ride 'em. Gehrig is strong as a bear. And Babe Herman. The kids are the same too wanting you to sign their books and baseballs. Only it was cigarette pictures we had to autograph."
Brouthers then asked, "'When will this story be in the paper, mister?'" Burr said Sunday:
"'I'll bring you up some copies of it.'
"'Bring me one,' said the quaint Dan Brouthers, 'I'll read it first and let you know if I want anymore.'"
Tags: Babe Herman, Babe Ruth, Charlie Comiskey, chuck Klein, Dan Brouthers, Detroit Wolverines, Lou Gehrig, New York Yankees, St. Louis Browns, World Series
The Championship Banner Hoodoo
The Cubs raised their 1907 World Championship flag at West Side Grounds on May 21, 1908—the flag "orange letters on a blue field" according to The Chicago Inter Ocean; The Chicago Tribune described it as "royal purple and gold."
I.E. Sanborn of The Tribune said "There were music, flowers and enthusiasm in bunches" at the ceremony, until:
"(T)he world's champions spoiled it all by an exhibition which made the handsome creation of royal purple and gold hang its graceful folds in shame."
The Boston Doves beat the Cubs 11-3.
The Box Score
The Pittsburgh Press said the game was part of a trend:
"Undesirable happenings have attended the raising of the world's pennants. The flag won by the Chicago Cubs from the Detroit Tigers was unfurled in Chicago Thursday.
"The result was saddening to the superstitious ones. The Cubs were walloped good and plenty by the Boston Nationals. It being necessary for the Cubs to sacrifice three pitchers in the carnage."
The paper said the was a "Hoodoo connected" to the raising of championship flags.
"In the spring of 1906 the New York Giants floated the big flag in the Polo Grounds before a large crowd."
The New York Times said of the June 12 ceremony:
"With admiring thousands following at the wheels, the New York Giants, the champion baseball team of the world—at least last year—paraded down Broadway in automobiles yesterday morning. Before and behind them marched a small army of boys baseball clubs…Mounted police clattered ahead of the procession to make clear the way. It was a great triumph for the Giants."
The Times said the flag was "of blue bunting, trimmed with gold, is 45 feet long and 20 feet wide, and contains the inscription New York Baseball Club, 1906 Champions of the World."
Then, "the Giants, whose fielding was extremely poor, while their batting was of an inferior order, only three men out of ten being credited with safe hits."
They lost to the Reds 6 to 1.
Then, said The Press, there was May 14, 1907, "the notable flag raising on the Chicago South Side Grounds."
I. E. Sanborn described that flag raising:
"Just as 15,000 throats were swelling with the first notes of the grand paean which was to have marked the climax of Chicago's biggest baseball fete, just as the silken banner, emblematic of the highest honors of the diamond, had shaken out its folds over the White Sox park and started its upward climb in response to the tugs of the heroes of the day, Comiskey's veteran flagstaff swayed, trembled in every fiber, then broke squarely off in the middle and toppled back to the earth which reared it.
"The tall spire of pine which had withstood for seven years the fiercest gales, which had flaunted defiantly three American League pennants and a dozen American flags until they were whipped to ribbons by the wind, proved unequal to the task of lifting a world's championship banner."
The scene just before the pole broke
The game itself lasted just four batters when "a heavy shower" ended the game with Washington "and drenched thoroughly the gay raiment of the great crowd, only a part of which could find shelter under the protected stands."
The Press noted that not only did the Giants and White Sox have bad luck on flag-raising day, both "failed to repeat as winners" and said:
"The big flag may prove a hoodoo."
Tags: Boston Doves, Charlie Comiskey, Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox, Cincinnati Reds, Detroit Tigers, I. E. Sanborn, New York Giants, Washington Senators, World Series
"I have had Enough of the Faithful Isle"
In January of 1899, Ted Sullivan was on a mission. The man most famous for being the "discoverer" of Charlie Comiskey, was in New Orleans making plans. The Times-Picayune said Sullivan and "some visiting baseball men" were meeting at the Grunewald Hotel (now the Roosevelt):
"America's great national game, baseball, will be firmly planted in Cuba by the opening of the current baseball season…Ted Sullivan, the well-known baseball magnate, the man who has perhaps managed more teams than any other individual in the south, and who managed the Dallas, Texas team in 1895, has been in the city several days working up this Cuban proposition. He says one of the quickest ways to Americanize Cuba is to establish our national sports there, the first of which will naturally be baseball."
Ted Sullivan
The paper quoted one of the backers of the plan:
"Sullivan is the proper man to manage this Cuban scheme because he has had more experience than most any other man you could find. He knows Cuba, and he knows what they think of baseball down there. Twelve years ago, he took two teams to the island and introduced the great game down there."
The backers predicted "Sullivan's scheme will be a first-rate success."
Three weeks later, Sullivan returned to New Orleans. The Times-Picayune said:
"Honorable Ted Sullivan, the baseball magnate…who was at the Grunewald a short time since on his way to Havana, has been heard from…Honorable Ted has returned, but he has returned with some very different views."
No longer did Sullivan think Cubans would be "brought in nearer accord" with "Americans across the Florida straits," within months:
"'I have had enough of the 'Faithful Isle,' declared this baseball champion after two weeks in Havana seeing what could be done. 'No more of it for me. Between the pompous air of the non-speaking English people and the arrogance of our own Americans who have a little gold braid on their shoulders, you can, perhaps, you can imagine what a comfortable time down there visitors are having."
Among Sullivan's complaints:
"In darkest Africa you can find more English-speaking people than you can find in Havana today."
The interpreters, he said, were of poor quality and "bleed you on prices," he called them "social highwaymen."
Sullivan also complained about the food:
"The menu would disgust a Mississippi River roustabout. The butter is so strong that it would have proven quite a valuable ally to the Spanish army, had the idea occurred to them. It could resist an attack of the Rough Riders and defy the projectiles from (Admiral William T.) Sampson's guns."
Sullivan presented a bit more of an optimistic outlook for baseball in Cuba to other newspapers—telling The Washington Times that he would be bringing a Cuban team to the states and that he watched a Cuban team beat a team comprised of American soldiers in two games.
But to those in New Orleans, where the plan for Sullivan's Cuba mission was hatched, he was clear:
"In the opinion of Ted Sullivan, baseball in Cuba must wait awhile—it's too early for the Americanizing of the Spanish city in that way."
Tags: Charlie Comiskey, Ted Sullivan
Comiskey versus Anson
In 1888, Ren Mulford, writing in the Cincinnati Times-Star compared Charlie Comiskey to Cap Anson:
Charles Comiskey
"Charlie Comiskey, who for several years has successfully piloted the St. Louis Browns to victory, possesses many of the characteristics which made Anson famous. He teaches his men to sacrifice everything in order to advance the interests of the club, but unlike Anson he never humiliates his men on the field. When it is necessary to reprimand any of them for an error or misconduct, he does it quietly. He uses good judgment in picking up players but lacks patience in developing the men."
Latham on Comiskey
Arlie Latham and Charles Comiskey were together with the St. Louis Brown from 1883-1889, and Latham jumped the Browns to join the Players League with Comiskey in 1890, helping to form the Chicago Pirates–"The greatest team ever organized." But from the beginning the team was beset with discipline issues and struggled.
Comiskey benched Latham, who was hitting just .229, in July. The Chicago Tribune said several attempts were made to trade Latham, and when nothing materialized, he requested to be released and he was on July 29.
Latham returned to the National League, joining the Cincinnati Reds, then aired out his grievances with his former boss and friend when he was with the Reds in Boston in August. The Boston Globe's Time Murnane said Latham was at the United States Hotel talking to members of the Pittsburgh Burghers who were in town playing Boston's Brotherhood club:
"Some of Pittsburgh's Players League boys were anxious to know why Latham was released from Chicago.
"'Comiskey did it,' was his answer. 'He has been after me for some time, and said I was playing crooked ball. I was laid off in St. Louis last season for the same thing, but this year Commie was cross and ugly all the time.'
"'You see, he has plenty of money and can afford to be stiff. I dropped three short fly balls in the last game I played in Chicago and Comiskey came and told me that he was on to me and would stand it no longer.'
"'I asked for my release and got it that night. My arm was very sore, but the other men would not believe it. I wanted to stay in the Players' League and sent word to Al Johnson (owner of the Cleveland Infants) saying I was open for engagement.'"
Latham alleged that Comiskey or someone connected with the Chicago club had a role in blackballing him from the league:
"'I heard from (Johnson) once and then he stopped. I suppose the Chicago people interfered.'"
The Chicago Tribune said Latham actually received an offer from Cleveland but joined the Reds when they offered more money.
Murnane said when Latham arrived in Cincinnati, in an attempt to "get some good work out of the 'Dude,'" that Reds manager Tom Loftus made him captain:
"(Latham) has been known for years as one who could keep the boys all on the smile while he shirked fast grounders."
But Murnane claimed he had already worn out his welcome with some of the Reds:
"Since Latham's release by Chicago he has taken pains to run down the Players' League until the members of that organization have soured on him (two days earlier) he went out of his way to abuse the Brotherhood, and the result is that he is already getting himself disliked by several level-headed members of his own team."
Latham stayed with the Reds with five seasons, and Comiskey again became his manager from 1892-1894.
Blame it on Hulbert
After winning the inaugural National League pennant in 1876 with a 52-14 record, expectations were high for the Chicago White Stockings in 1877.
Hulbert
After a 26-33 fifth place finish, The Chicago Evening Post said the blame rested in one place:
"There are a great many men in America who do not know how to run a ball club, and Mr. (William) Hulbert, President of the Chicago club, appears to be one of the most conspicuous. The public is familiar with the fact that this year's White Stocking Nine was more of a disgrace to the city than a credit and there was a considerable wonderment as to why a nine that in 1876 swept everything before it, was in 1877, obliged to content itself with the last place in the championship struggle [sic, Chicago finished fifth in the six-team league).
"From all that can be learned, it would seem that part of the season's ill success should be attributed to the manner in which the men have been treated by Mr. Hulbert. There are complaints that he was continually finding fault, until the men became discouraged and lost heart in their work. Just how true this is The Post does not propose to determine, but simply gives publicity to a letter from Mr. Hulbert to Paul Hines, in which he distinctly charges Hines with not trying to play."
According to The Chicago Tribune, the letter, sent in July, suggested that Hines was not "playing half as well," in 1877 as he had the previous season—Hines' average dropped from .331 to .280.
The Post said the letter showed how little Hulbert knew:
"To those who have attended the games this season this charge will bring a smile, as Hines is notoriously one of the hardest working and most reliable ballplayers in the country."
The White Stockings finished fourth the following two seasons, but won back-to back pennants in 1880 and '81, the final two before Hulbert's death in April of 1882—the White Stockings won their third straight pennant that year.
Tags: Arlie Latham, Cap Anson, Charlie Comiskey, Chicago Pirates, Chicago White Stockings, Cincinnati Reds, Cleveland Infants, National League, Paul Hines, Pittsburgh Burghers, Players League, Ren Mulford, St. Louis Browns, Tim Murnane, William Hulbert
"He has not a Single Friend on the Team"
Having been called "The greatest team ever organized," by The Chicago Tribune, the 1890 Chicago Pirates of the Players League turned out to be one of the biggest disappointments in baseball history, finishing fourth in the eight-team league.
The club suffered from a "lack of discipline" according to The Chicago Times. Charlie Comiskey was cited often for his inability to maintain order on the team. The most glaring, and most reported example took place on September 4.
The Pirates, 11 1/2 games out of first place, were playing the Pittsburgh Burghers.
The Pittsburgh Press said:
"Jimmy Ryan and Tip O'Neill, two of the Chicago Players' League club outfielders, had an animated spat after Ryan had been retired at third base…Jimmy claimed that Tip had not coached him properly, and made use of some very offensive language. He then turned round to Comiskey, who had been an eyewitness to the whole proceeding, and with an oath said that unless O'Neill was laid off that he—Ryan—would lay himself off."
The Pittsburgh Commercial Gazette said the incident was "one of the dangers" the papers had warned of when speaking against the formation of the Players League:
"(S) of the players might take advantage of a condition of affairs brought about by the brotherhood movement, and, with and idea that they had as much to do with the running of things as anybody else, refuse to submit to necessary discipline."
Comiskey immediately suspended Ryan and told him to return to Chicago.
"Jimmy was accordingly paid up to date and furnished with a ticket for the Windy City."
The Press said Ryan's teammates applauded the move:
"'You have no idea of how mean that fellow Ryan has been this year,' said a Chicago player. 'He has not a single friend on the team today. He is a good ballplayer, he does not drink and no man on the team takes better care of himself then the same Ryan. He has a bad attack of his old complaint, the swelled head. Comiskey has been very lenient with him and he has been playing good ball."
Ryan was the team's leader in batting average and RBIs at the time, but Comiskey vowed to make an example of his best offensive player in order to restore discipline, and had no problem calling out a few others, although not by name.
Comiskey
He told The Chicago Inter Ocean:
"Yes, I am through with this man and he will not play under me any longer. He has been trying to have his own way on everything. There are three or four men in this club whom I have been compelled to take, and they have an idea that they can run things to suit themselves."
Comiskey said Ryan "acted very ungentlemanly" and blamed the play at third on him. He said Ryan was thrown out because he failed to slide, but none of the news reports mentioned whether O'Neill told him to slide.
Comiskey stayed true to word that he was "through" with Ryan—until 11 days later, when the Pirates returned to Chicago from their road trip.
Ryan was back in the lineup for the second game of a September 15 double-header with the Buffalo Bison.
The Tribune said:
"When the second game was called, Jimmy Ryan appeared to take his place at center. He was warmly received and responded by hammering the ball around in desperate fashion."
Ryan was 3 for 4 with a triple in a 7-3 Chicago victory and continued to hit for the last two weeks of the season; he led the Pirates with a .340 average and 89 RBIs.
"The greatest team ever organized," was broken up when the Players League folded after their inaugural season. Ryan returned to the Chicago Colts. Comiskey and O'Neill went back to the St. Louis Browns.
Tags: Charlie Comiskey, Chicago Pirates, Jimmy Ryan, Players League, Tip O'Neill
"It was Hard for me to get Used to Some of the Boneheads"
Most baseball writers and dozens of baseball figures caught the twenty greatest "fever" during 1911 and 1912.
After Frank Baker hit .375 with two home runs and five RBIs, leading the Philadelphia Athletics to their 1911 World Series victory over the New York Giants, Grantland Rice opined in The New York Mail:
Frank Baker
"The twenty greatest ballplayers, picked exclusively for this column by John McGraw and the Giants—John Franklin Baker."
The Washington Times said Germany Schaefer was asked to put his twenty greatest list together shortly after the end of his best season in 1911:
"Write 'em out and send 'em to me,' the newspaperman suggested.
"Germany did. The list read as follows: 'Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, Germany Schaefer, and Germany Schaefer.'"
The Philadelphia Record asked Connie Mack for his twenty greatest list, Mack refused but told the paper "if his life depended on any game of ball," he would start Chief Bender:
"Do you know, Bender has never yet failed me in a crisis? Whenever there is a game that the fortunes of our club hinge on I've sent in the Chief and he has delivered every time."
Billy Hamilton, who made a couple of the lists that circulated during 1911 and 1912, told The Boston Globe he was upset no one had named his former teammate Marty Bergen:
"Why, I can't see how you can possibly leave him out…He and Buck Ewing were in a class by themselves among the men I have seen behind the bat. I have never seen anything like that snap throw of Martin's, with the ball always on the runner."
Wild Bill Donovan then put Bergen on the list he chose for The Detroit News:
Ed Walsh
Christy Mathewson
Duke Farrell
Marty Bergen
Hal Chase
Fred Tenney
Napoleon Lajoie
Eddie Collins
Jimmy Collins
John McGraw
Hughie Jennings
Herman Long
Bill Lange
Ed Delahanty
Willie Keeler
Fielder Jones
Fred Clarke
Bobby Wallace
Donovan told the paper of Ed Walsh:
"If Walsh were worked about once in four days, instead of being asked to go in three times a week as often is the case now, I believe that he would be unbeatable."
In lauding Farrell, his teammate in Brooklyn, Donovan took a swipe at many of the catchers he worked with during his career:
"The big Duke was a wonderfully heady man, and the only catcher who ever lived on whom it was impossible to work the hit and run game. Any time Duke called for a waste ball, you could bet your next paycheck that the runner was going to go down. After pitching to man of his intelligence it was hard for me to get used to some of the boneheads that I encountered later."
One more list—attributed to several papers and sportswriters at the time—appeared first in The Pittsburgh Gazette-Times, and chronicled the "Twenty greatest blunders in baseball:"
As the craze was dying down, The Chicago Tribune said Ted Sullivan, the man who I credited with discovering Charles Comiskey—and Comiskey's favorite scout, would put together "a list of the twenty greatest baseball actuaries of all time were he not a bit doubtful about the other nineteen."
Tags: Bill Donovan, Billy Hamilton, Brooklyn Superbas, Buck Ewing, Charlie Comiskey, Chief Bender, Connie Mack, Duke Farrell, Ed Walsh, Frank Baker, German Schaefer, Grantland Rice, John McGraw, Marty Bergen, New York Giants, Philadelphia Athletics, Ted Sullivan
"The Twenty Greatest Fever"
In November of 1911, an interviewer asked industrialist Andrew Carnegie to name the 20 greatest men of all time. Within days, Carnegie's list was parsed and picked apart, and led to what The Chicago Daily News called "The twenty greatest fever."
Lists of the twenty greatest everything appeared in papers across the country for the next year. Of course, the question was put to many baseball figures and led to a number of interesting lists and quotes.
One of the first to weigh in was Chicago White Sox owner Charles Comiskey, in The Daily News:
Buck Ewing
King Kelly
Cap Anson
Charlie Ferguson
Fred Pfeffer
Honus Wagner
Jack Glasscock
Harry Lord
Charles Radbourn
Bobby Caruthers
Clark Griffith
Comiskey said Eddie Collins, who would acquire for $50,000 three years later, was the best current player:
"He's got it on all the others in the game today. I don't know that a good lawyer went to waste, but do know that a mighty good ballplayer was found when Eddie decided to give up the technicalities of Blackstone for the intricacies of baseball. There isn't much use saying anything about Connie Mack's star, everybody knows he is a wonder as well as I do."
Cy Young was asked by The Cleveland News to name his 20 greatest:
"I guess we'd have to make a place for old Amos Rusie, 'Kid' Nichols should be placed on the list too, 'Kid' forgot more baseball than 90 percent of us ever knew. And there was Bill Hutchinson, just about one of the greatest that ever lived. You can't overlook Walter Johnson, and, by all means Ed Walsh must be there. The same applies to Mathewson. Then comes my old side partner, Bill Dinneen. Bill never was given half enough credit."
Amos Rusie
Young rounded out the battery:
"I'd pick old Lou Criger first of all the catchers. George Gibson of the Pittsburgh team, to my way of thinking, stands with the leaders. Give the third place to Oscar Stanage of Detroit, and I feel safe in saying that I have chosen a really great catcher."
"Doping out the infields is comparatively easy. Without hesitation I would name Hal Chase, Eddie Collins, Nap Lajoie, Hans Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Jimmy Collins, Herman Long, and Charlie Wagner."
Young said of his infield choices:
"You can't get away from Bobby Wallace for a general all round gentlemanly player, he has never had a superior at shortstop unless that man was Honus Wagner. Maybe Johnny Evers is entitles to consideration, but I never say him play."
As for his outfielders, Young said:
"Ty Cobb's equal never lived, according to my way of thinking, and I doubt if we will ever have his superior. Say what they will about Cobb, but one who is true to himself must acknowledge his right to rank above all other players.
"I chose Cobb, Fred Clarke of Pittsburgh, Tris Speaker of Boston and Bill Lange for the outfield, and regret that the limitations prevent me from choosing Jim McAleer. McAleer was the best fielder I have ever seen. I say that with all due respect to Cobb and other competitors.
"Tris Speaker is a marvel, and only because of his playing at the same time as Cobb is he deprived of the honor of being the greatest outfielder…Many fans of today probably don't remember Bill Lange. Take my word for it, he was a marvel. He could field, bat, and run bases with wonderful skill. No man ever had the fade-away slide better than Lange."
The reporter from The News noticed that Young had, "chosen his twenty greatest players without mentioning his own great deeds," and asked Young whether her felt he belonged on the list. Young said:
"Oh, I've heard a whole lot of stuff about myself as a player, but I was but ordinary when compared to the men I name as the greatest in the game."
When Ty Cobb presented his list of the 20 greatest current American League players to The Detroit News, the paper noted his "Very becoming modesty" in leaving himself off of his list. Cobb's picks were:
Bill Donovan
Walter Johnson
Jack Coombs
Vean Gregg
George Mullin
Billy Sullivan
Oscar Stanage
Ira Thomas
Jack Berry
Owen Bush
Clyde Milan
Cobb included Bobby Wallace, Russ Ford, and Heinie Wagner as honorable mentions.
More of the lists and quotes from "The twenty greatest fever," on Thursday
Tags: Amos Rusie, Bill Dinneen, Bill Donovan, Bill Hutchinson, Billy Sullivan, Bobby Carruthers, Bobby Wallace, Buck Ewing, Cap Anson, Charles Radbourn, Charlie Comiskey, Charlie ferguson, Chicago White Sox, Christy Mathewson, Clark Griffith, Clyde Milan, Cy Young, Detroit Tigers, Ed Walsh, Eddie Collins, Fred Clarke, Fred Pfeffer, George Gibson, Hal Chase, Harry Lord, Heinie Wagner, Honus Wagner, Ira Thomas, Jack Coombs., Jack Glasscock, Joe Jackson, Kid Nichols, King Kelly, Lou Criger, Napoleon Lajoie, Oscar Stanage, Russell Ford, Tom McCarthy, Tris Speaker, Ty Cobb, Vean Gregg, Willie Keeler
Evers Shuts Down Donlin
Mike Donlin's final comeback ended with a final stop with the New York Giants as a coach and pinch hitter.
Mike Donlin
Frank Menke of Hearst's International News Service said Donlin tried to get under Johnny Evers' skin in the last series the Giants played with the Braves:
"Evers, the peppery captain of the Boston Braves, walked up to the plate…watched three strikes whizz by and was declared out.
"'Oh, I say, Johnny,' chirped up Donlin. 'What was you waiting for?'
"Quick as a flash Johnny shot back:
"'I wasn't waiting for the first and fifteenth of the month so as to get rent money, anyway.'
"The retort hurt Mike who was holding down the job as pinch hitter and coach for the Giants not because of his ability in either department, but through the friendship of Manager (John) McGraw."
Johnny Evers,
Donlin appeared in just 35 games for the Giants, all as a pinch hitter, he hit just .161.
Comiskey Can't Understand Padden
By 1906, Hugh Fullerton of The Chicago Tribune said of the importance of "a man whose brain is as agile as his body…Never was this fact so impressed upon me as a few years ago when I was sitting with (Charles) Comiskey."
Fullerton and Comiskey were watching the White Sox play the St. Louis Browns:
"Commy was talking, half to himself, about Dick Padden, who was about as quick a thinker as ever played the game.
"'I can't understand it,' soliloquized the Old Roman. 'He can't hit. He can't run. He isn't good on ground balls. He's not any too sure of thrown balls, and his arm is bad.' He stopped a moment and then added: 'But he's a hell of a good ballplayer.'"
Dick Padden
Jones Shuts Down Altrock
Nick Altrock won 20 games for the 1906 White Sox, after an arm injury and his general disinterest in staying in shape, Altrock slipped to 7-13 the following season.
Nick Altrock
Late in 1907, The Washington Evening Star said:
"Altrock is the champion mimic and imitator of the American League…Nick delights to give his various imitations, and much amusement do his companions find in these diversions of Altrock.
"The other day at Chicago, and just a few minutes before the game between the New Yorks and the Windy City aggregation began, the big pitcher was delighting the members of his own team, as well as several of the New York bunch, with his clever imitations of notable people, when he suddenly turned to Fielder Jones, the captain and manager of the Chicagos, and asked:
'"What shall be my last imitation for the evening, Fielder?'
"'Why,' replied Jones, with that sober look of his, 'as I am going to pitch you this evening, Nick, suppose when you get in the box you give us an imitation of a winning pitcher."
Tags: Boston Braves, Charlie Comiskey, Chicago White Sox, Dick Padden, Fielder Jones, Frank Menke, Hugh Fullerton, John McGraw, Johnny Evers, Mike Donlin, New York Giants, New York Highlanders, Nick Altrock, St. Louis Browns, Things I Learned on the Way to Looking Up Other Things
"I am Glad to be Away From Mack's Team"
The winter of 1914-1915 was eventful for Eddie Collins. There were stories which claimed he would never actually appear in a game for the Chicago White Sox, how close he came to not being sold to the Sox because of his wife, and a story about a letter that nearly destroyed his reputation in Philadelphia.
Collins was sold by the Philadelphia Athletics to the White Sox on December 8, 1915, four days after The Chicago Tribune reported that Walter Johnson had jumped to the Federal League's Chicago Whales, or the "Tinx" as I. E. Sanborn of The Tribune called the club managed by Joe Tinker. The paper's headline said:
"Johnson Signs with 'Feds;' to Play With Tinx"
The Chicago press greeted the Collins sale with as much excitement as the Johnson signing, and after the dust cleared a month later, Johnson was back with Washington having come to terms with Clark Griffith.
One of the January stories about Collins was borne out of the belief in some quarters in Chicago that Charles Comiskey only bought Collins because, as Ed Grillo of The Washington Star said: "If Johnson had not jumped to the Chifeds, Collins undoubtedly would have (been sold to the New York Yankees)."
The Chicago Daily News implied that Comiskey only made the deal to steal the press thunder from the Federal League club's signing of Johnson and that Collins would be sold to the Yankees before the 1915 season. Comiskey vehemently denied the story to James Crusinberry, The Tribune's sports editor:
"The Walter Johnson affair never entered into our plan of getting Eddie Collins. I wanted a second baseman and a great hitter, and the reason I wanted him was because I want to win a pennant…Eddie Collins will be playing for the white Sox for the next five years if he lives."
According to Collins, his wife–Mabel Harriet Doane Collins–almost kept the deal from happening in the first place. According to Hugh Fullerton of The Chicago Herald-Examiner:
"Eddie Collins came near never being a member of the Chicago White Sox because his wife refused to believe the biggest men in baseball wanted to see him."
According to Fullerton, Collins was out when the phone rang:
"'Hello,' said a voice. 'This is President (Ban) Johnson of the American League. I want to speak to Mr. Collins.'
"'We've had practical jokers call us up before,' replied Mrs. Collins sweetly, as she hung up the receiver.
"Five minutes later the telephone rang again, and a voice said,' This is President Comiskey of the Chicago White Sox, I would like to speak to Mr. Collins.'
'"Our friend Mr. Johnson must have lost his voice and asked you to call,' responded Mrs. Collins, and hung up again.
"Another five minutes passed. Then Connie Mack called up. Mrs. Collins recognized his voice…'Did Mr. Johnson and Mr. Comiskey really telephone?' she asked surprised.
"'Yes,' answered Mack.
"'Eddie is at a friend's house, but I'll get him right away.'
"If Mrs. Collins had had the telephone cut off, Collins might still be a member of the Athletics."
Mabel Collins, with sons Eddie Jr. and Paul (1925)
But the last story about Collins that winter nearly caused a rift with his former manager and threatened to tarnish the Collins' image as the era's most gentlemanly ballplayer.
In January, The Detroit News said White Sox pitcher Eddie Cicotte told a reporter that Collins had written him a letter regarding his enthusiasm to play in Chicago. According to Cicotte, Collins said:
"(H)e is glad to get away from Philadelphia because the fans there are not as loyal to the players as they ought to be."
The News—in an article with no byline–quoted the letter:
"Here is one thing I have been waiting to say, I am glad to be away from Mack's team. I say that sincerely, and of all the cities of the American League I prefer Chicago. The fans are loyal there. A player's mistakes of the day (and we all have them) are overlooked because it is known a man is doing his best. I have always wanted to play in Chicago; now that I'm with the team I am going to give it my best efforts."
Ed Cicotte
Collins denied he said the things The News quoted and told The Philadelphia Press:
"I not only did not write anything of the kind to Cicotte, but never did say any such thing. I do not believe either that Cicotte ever said that I wrote him the letter which was published."
Collins told The Press he had received a telegram from Cicotte, but said his response to the Sox pitcher simply said:
"Dear Eddie—I have just received your wire of congratulations and say that I greatly appreciate it. I am glad that the members of the club feel as they do about the deal. We ought to have a good club next season and I am sure we will be up in the running for the pennant."
While The Sporting News quoted the same version of the letter as The Detroit News, The Philadelphia Evening Public Ledger chose to accept Collins' version of events:
"The efforts of some sporting writers to construct 'stories' from material gathered from the surrounding atmosphere indicate two things: First that the writer not only has a glaring disregard for the truth but that he is even willing to injure the standing of a person in a community for the sake of putting over a fake 'story.' The dispatch which came from Detroit purporting to give a portion of Eddie Collins' letter to Eddie Cicotte was false from start to finish…that writer took it upon himself to write a quotation which contained not one iota of truth. It made the fans of Philadelphia who have always been loyal to Collins angry and no matter what is stated later there will always be some people here who believe that Collins wrote that letter who will still be his enemies. And all because someone writing a story in Detroit has regard for neither truth nor for the feelings of an individual. Such a person, if his identity were known, should be barred in the future from writing anything whatever. Any man who attempts to to enter the field of sport writing should at least stand on his merits and not try to advance his personal cause by unfair, underhand, despicable means."
Collins played the next 12 seasons with the White Sox, returning to Mack and the less "loyal" Philadelphia fans in 1927.
Tags: American League, Ban Johnson, Charlie Comiskey, Chicago Whales, Chicago White Sox, Clark Griffith, Connie Mack, Ed Grillo, Eddie Cicotte, Eddie Collins, Eddie Collins Jr., Federal League, Hugh Fullerton, I. E. Sanborn, James Cruiinberry, Joe Tinker, New York Yankees, Philadelphia Athletics, Walter Johnson, Washington Senators