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Re: Brexit
Reply #760 on: June 18, 2019, 12:36:48 PM
This is quite amusing - from Sky news in Australia.
This guy really say's it as it is.
https://www.facebook.com/raheemkassam/videos/363177794556424/
Reply #761 on: June 21, 2019, 12:22:01 AM
OMG 1 of these two will be the next pm.
Cheer up Teess. From those 2 pics I'd opt for BJ and his 'bulldog' look. Maybe he'll bite a few ankles in Brussels I'd love that
In all seriousness, we could do with another Churchill to lead us out of Theresa May's mess. Is that BJ ? I've no idea - but I'd just mention that when Churchill took charge in 1939 (?) it was despite being widely decried for indiscretions and massive mistakes in times before. We'll have to see what BJ can do
The mood around Brexit has changed dramatically since the elections for the European Parliament and the Farage landslide. Brexit seems back ON, with a vengeance, since TM's fall
BDS = Brexit Derangement syndrome Boris Derangement syndrome!
Courtesy of The Spectator.
The Times is almost as bad as the beeb in their anti-Johnson stance. Maybe they envy the copy he sells for the Telegraph?
« Last Edit: June 21, 2019, 10:55:14 PM by caller »
I heard the tory leadership race described as "the worst health secretary ever vs the worst foreign secretary ever to replace the worst pm ever".
dereklev
My pride and joy boy
Quote from: Teessider on June 24, 2019, 11:02:32 PM
That sounds about right.
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting 'Holy shit…what a ride!" - Hunter S. Thompson
And the next general election could see Johnson and Corbyn as potential PMs - the worst choice ever? Farage to the rescue, perhaps.
'You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!'
Reply #768 on: July 07, 2019, 03:06:47 PM
DT last Thursday :-
''The EU is a sham Democracy and it's pitiful new Leaders are the proof
Thank you, Eurocrats, for being yourselves. The best cure for Europhilia is always to observe the EU's big beasts at their unguarded worst, wheeling and dealing in their natural habitat, unencumbered by any attachment to democracy, accountability or even basic morality.
The spectacle of the past few days made for compulsive watching: we witnessed rare footage of the secretive process that propels so many retreads and second-rate apparatchiks into positions of immense power in Brussles and Frankfurt, utterly disregarding public opinion.''
Some points :-
. . . Ursula von der Leyen - Commission President - almost impossible to find anybody in Germany who has a good woed to say about her - Germany's weakest Minister - inquiries into a spending scandal in her department.
. . . Josep Borrell - Foreign Policy Chief - recently fined E30,000 for insider trading - ''his appointment will prove catastrophic''.
. . . Christine Lagarde - European Central Bank - embroiled in scandal over Bernard Tapie - neither an Economist or a Banker
. . . ''the EU's latest Leaders are hard-core Federalists and won't cut us any favours.''
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/03/eu-sham-democracy-pitiful-new-leaders-proof/
Thanks for sharing Roger, it beggers belief how these self centred Eurocrats act in such a revolting manner and revolting is what the citizens of Europe should be doing to stop these people in their tracks..........sickening.
If at first you don't succeed you are clearly not cut out for it. Give up and move on.
Reply #770 on: July 08, 2019, 04:19:47 AM
SFS - thank you and one is reminded of David Cameron's efforts to resist the appointment of the 'orrible Juncker now happily on his way I might be accused of selective extracts - I was trying to give the drift - there is MUCH more in the same vein and I'll post the whole article later when I gain access.
Meantime, I can't quite get my head around this - the Greeks have now decisely elected a Conservative Govt against the purported anti-austerity Syrisa party - who later gave in to EU demands for austerity -\ So to achieve longer term approval from the electorate, the new Govt will need to defy the EU more successfully with improved spending plans ? That looks like fun ! And more problems for the EU ?
''Overall unemployment has fallen from 28 per cent in 2013 to 18 per cent this year, while youth unemployment has dropped from more than 50 per cent to around 40 per cent. But it was not enough to convince Greek voters tired of living under the burden of high taxes and social security payments.''
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/07/greek-government-set-landslide-election-defeat-years-austerity/
Problems in Germany too . .
''Deutsche Bank has effectively called time on its global banking ambitions after it unveiled a much more radical than expected overhaul on Sunday. This will include setting up a "bad bank" stuffed with €74bn of toxic assets, closing down large units in its investment banking arm - including equities trading - and laying off about a fifth of its workforce. Following a supervisory board meeting in Germany at the weekend, the troubled bank said the drastic measures were needed to battle falling revenues and rising costs. The overhaul is expected to cost around €8bn.''
UUmmm €74bn of toxic assets - jeepers. Not revelling in that at all but just imagine 'Project Fear's' hullabaloo if that had been a UK Bank, (doubtless they have their own problems).
All is not well in this EU - that's for sure.
I think that some of the reduction in unemployment on Greece is down to people moving abroad to work.
The Greek election isn't a surprise as Syrisa completely caved in to the EU and as a consequence are exactly where they were before the bail out deal with the EU was forced upon them. I doubt the new Govt. will change as the Greek establishment, including their 'powerful political families' sided with the EU against Syrisa, using their press and other influences to beat them. The question is what will the new PM actually do? I suspect the Greeks will be disappointed once more.
As for the selection of the new EU masters, assuming they are all rubber stamped by Parliament, just goes to prove that there is no accountability or democracy as claimed, and that the French / German axis rules supreme. It seems the selection of the new EU President has gone down particularly badly in Germany and two of the 4 nominees have (in effect) convictions against their name for corruption.
SFS - here's the full DT article by Alistair Heath :-
The EU is a sham democracy, and its pitiful new leaders are the proof - July 2019 • 9:30pm
''The spectacle of the past few days has shown the EU's big beasts at their unguarded worst. Thank you, Eurocrats, for being yourselves. The best cure for Europhilia is always to observe the EU's big beasts at their unguarded worst, wheeling and dealing in their natural habitat, unencumbered by any attachment to democracy, accountability or even basic morality. The spectacle of the past few days made for compulsive watching: we witnessed rare footage of the secretive process that propels so many retreads and second-rate apparatchiks into positions of immense power in Brussels and Frankfurt, utterly disregarding public opinion.
Peeking into Europe's dystopia was certainly the right medicine for pre-Brexit Britain, guaranteed to convert erstwhile moderates into raging Brexiteers as they looked on, aghast, at the shocking disconnect between elites and people.
Everything that is wrong with the EU was shamelessly on display: a Franco-German stitch-up; smaller countries being bulldozed, especially Eastern Europeans; a constitutional coup which sidelined the (useless) European Parliament; the fact that so many of the new generation of EU leaders have had brushes with the law that would have terminated their careers in the US or UK; their explicit commitment to a "United States of Europe" and a "European army" (about which we keep being lied to); and the singing of a national anthem we were promised wouldn't exist when the European constitution was voted down.
For the past three years, the debate in Britain has missed the point: Brexiteers argue that we must leave because we voted to do so, rather than because the EU is bad; Remainers that we musn't leave because it's too risky, rather than because the EU is good. But we've forgotten what unites 65 per cent of the public, including many Remainers: a profound dislike of the EU as it actually is, of its preposterous schemes, its authoritarian nature, its commitment to harmonising and centralising everything.
At times like these, it is obvious that there is no – and can be no – European democracy. For that you would need a genuine demos – a people – and to give them real power – kratos, in Greek. But almost nobody feels primarily European, and the average Sicilian has little in common with a random Finn. There is a such a thing as a metaphysical, abstract Europe; but in practice, no workable common European nation. While the EU apes some of the rituals of democracy, they are a sinister sham, and will always be. The EU is a technocratic empire, and can be nothing else. We must either give up on centuries of democratic, inclusive political progress, or leave.
In any case, as imperial ruling classes go, Europe's is pathetic. Ursula von der Leyen, the Commission president-designate, herself the daughter of a Eurocrat, has wasted many depressing years as German's defence minister, presiding over a decrepit and underfunded Bundeswehr. A devastating parliamentary report earlier this year exposed planes that can't fly and guns that don't shoot. Fewer than a fifth of its helicopters are combat ready.
It is almost impossible to find anybody in Germany who has a good word to say about von der Leyen, her appointment a clear case of rewards for failure. "Our weakest minister", one said. It gets worse: a parliamentary committee has launched an inquiry into a spending scandal in her department, relating to massive contracts awarded to consultants. But she supports a United States of Europe and an EU army, so what other qualifications are required?
Josep Borrell's woes are equally recent, and haven't prevented his nomination as foreign policy chief. Less than a year ago, as Socialist foreign minister in Spain, he was fined €30,000 (£26,900) for insider trading. The regulator ruled he had engaged in "a very serious violation" of securities law when he sold shares in Abengoa in 2015, "having privileged information on this company". As champagne socialism goes, this takes some beating and he refused calls to resign. He also supports the disgusting clampdown on Catalonia, has made trouble over Gibraltar and agreed to set up a joint cybersecurity group with Russia last November – a move that won't end well. Last but not least, he will be worse than useless on Iran: in an interview with Politico, he said: "Iran wants to wipe out Israel. Nothing new with that. You have to live with it." His appointment will prove catastrophic.''
''Boris Johnson has attacked the BBC for "conditioning" the public with "gloom and negativity" about the chances of a successful no-deal Brexit. The Tory leadership front-runner was accused by the BBC's Andrew Neil of pursuing "mission impossible" in saying the UK could still trade tariff-free with the EU if it left without a deal on October 31.
(BJ) responded by accusing the BBC of bias in controlling the "mindset of people in this country" ''.
Allelleuh to that !
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/12/boris-johnson-attacks-bbc-conditioning-public-brexit-gloom/
Here we go then BJ is PM and we'll have to see what he can do with Brexit.
Jivvy - I noticed your comment and of course, not everyone will like him
Myself I'm happy to see some POSITIVE rabble rousing instead of all the negative rabble rousing.
CAN DO ? What do you think ?
Re: Brexit - Varadkar is wrong
I thought that this was a very enlightening article and I'm interested in other's thoughts about another aspect of EU tyranny.
''Recent days have presented a paradox in Anglo-Irish relations. Leo Varadkar, the Taioseach, and his deputy, Simon Coveney, reaffirmed their desire to be weaponised by Brussels in the EU's determination to force a no-deal Brexit. Meanwhile, at Lord's, England and Ireland played their first test match. England were bowled out for 85 by lunch on day one, causing a small earthquake, before recovering to win the match. The sweltering ground teemed throughout with Englishmen and Irishmen joking with each other and enjoying a shared culture in which the English were no longer inevitably the masters. It made one wonder what all the fuss was about the backstop.'' . . . .
''There are few more gratuitous acts in life than to torpedo an important and mutually beneficial friendship. With the British government anxious for good relations with our Irish cousins, Mr Varadkar should urgently look for ways to build upon what we share, and not to wreck that relationship on the orders of his new imperial masters.''
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/27/varadkar-wrong-disregard-ancient-ties-britain-ireland/
I think a united Ireland might be a good idea. If Scotland want to go, fine. Let's call their bluffs. Start building border posts on the Scotish border.
The english taxpayer has been subsidising these territories for decades.
While we're at it pull out of Nato, we are tired of propping up Europe's defence.
Let the world see how important this insignificant little island really is.
Time to play hardball Boris.
The Irish problem is difficult - Varadkar and Brussels carefully turned it into an obstacle. IMO this DT review is an excellent insight. BJ visits N. Ireland this week so watch his space !
Varadkar can blame Britain all he likes – but he is the real threat to peace
Varadkar . . . ''gambled, and exhorted the EU to take the hardest line possible. Before the UK and EU could negotiate their future relationship, he insisted, the border question must be decided. Never mind that this was nonsensical and everybody knew the border could only be fixed in a future trade agreement. With Varadkar's connivance, Brussels weaponised the Northern Irish border – and with it the peace process – to lock the UK into a customs union and a colonial status in which we would have to follow EU laws. It is easy to see why this approach tempted Varadkar and his allies in Brussels. It suits them very well to keep the UK tied to European laws. It must also have been hugely enjoyable for a young Taoiseach, and his deputy, Simon Coveney, to lord it over Ireland's former imperial masters.
Books will be written about why Britain allowed Ireland and the EU to abuse the peace process in this way. My judgment is that Theresa May liked and wanted the backstop. She believed she had succeeded in splitting the EU's fabled "four freedoms" – of goods, services, capital and people – by remaining in a customs territory with the EU while allowing Britain to control immigration. But this misunderstood the meaning of Brexit. . . . .
Varadkar has sought to impose humiliating terms on Ireland's larger and more powerful neighbour. He has tried to turn a bilateral peace process between the UK and Ireland into a political standoff between the UK and the EU. And he has abused the Good Friday Agreement for his own ends, while shamelessly accusing Brexit supporters of endangering the peace process. Under Theresa May, the UK almost succumbed. But now Boris Johnson is holding firm. When he visits Northern Ireland this week he should not be shy in pointing out who is risking a no-deal outcome and a hard border in Ireland. It is not the United Kingdom, but Leo Varadkar.''
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/28/varadkar-can-blame-britain-likes-real-threat-peace/
Hi TW. Re. Scotland, many Brits feel just the same - if the Scots want out, then so be it. As old Friends though, let's be nice and let them go. But IMO, the Scots will never vote for it.
A united Ireland looks more than unlikely to me - maybe Ireland should join the Commonwealth or even, leave the Euro and the EU too That'd make it all easier
As far as NATO goes - the USA and UK need to insist that Germany and others pay their full share but I can't agree it'd be a good idea to leave.
Hardball's good ! But as yet, we Brexiteers have no substantial progress we can rely on . . . . I do wonder what K-F's from the EU think about what's going on now
KiwiCanadian
" I do wonder what K-F's from the EU think about what's going on now "
As I am not from the EU but a Kiwi,
I can remember when Britain told us in the commonwealth, basically saying WE are joining the EU and to do this we don't need you anymore. In New Zealand & Australia it was felt as a kick in the guts as we were looked on as the bread basket of Britain. This caused a mini recession that took a while to recover from.
I dont think a lot of people understood how bad this was for our farming communities. NZ & Australia had been exporting produce in refrigerated ships to the UK since the late 1800's for over 50 yrs and got a kick in the guts.
All I can say is the time is right, BOJO & Nigel Farage need to hold firm and tell Brussels to F Off.
I used to have a handle on life........but it broke