Bill to allow concealed weapons without permits draws hundreds to State House hearing
Many Maine lawmakers and state police favor the bill, saying the requirement is an ineffective burden, but others want to retain screening and oppose letting citizens 'hide a gun.'
By Steve MistlerStaff Writer
Sen. Eric Brakey, R-Auburn, introduces his bill, L.D. 652, during a hearing Wednesday by the Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee on several gun bills. Brakey told the committee that state law now turns a legal gun owner into "a criminal" for "the simple action of putting on a jacket." Joe Phelan/Kennebec Journal
AUGUSTA — Hundreds of gun rights activists, advocates for stricter gun laws and law enforcement officials converged Wednesday on the State House to testify on a bill that would eliminate the license requirement for carrying a concealed handgun.
The proposal could make Maine one of only seven states that allow individuals to carry a concealed handgun without a permit. The bill has 96 co-sponsors, more than half the members of the Legislature, and the blessing of some members of the Republican and Democratic leadership.
People in the State House Welcome Center listen to Wednesday's committee hearing on gun bills. The fourth-floor committee room was too small to fit everyone who turned out. A smaller group listened in the Hall of Flags. Joe Phelan/Kennebec Journal
L.D. 652 – at a glance
• Would allow people to carry a concealed weapon in public without a permit as long as they are not otherwise prohibited from having a gun, because of a criminal record, for example.
• Does not change the rights of private property owners to prohibit weapons on their property.
• Does not alter bans on bringing a gun into the State House or other specific public places where weapons are prohibited.
• Would allow a person to have a loaded pistol or revolver in a car or trailer or other vehicle being towed.
The Bill's supporters
Here is a list of lawmakers who support L.D. 652:
Principal sponsor:
Sen. Eric Brakey, R-Androscoggin
Co-sponsors:
Sen. David Burns, R-Washington
Sen. Ronald Collins, R-York
Sen. Andre Cushing, R-Penobscot
Sen. Paul Davis, R-Piscataquis
Sen. David Dutremble, D-York
Sen. Peter Edgecomb, R-Aroostook
Sen. Brian Langley, R-Hancock
Sen. Garrett Mason, R-Androscoggin
Sen. Earle McCormick, R-Kennebec
Sen. John Patrick, D-Oxford
Sen. Kim Rosen, R-Hancock
Sen. Thomas Saviello, R-Franklin
Sen. Michael Thibodeau, R-Waldo
Sen. Rodney Whittemore, R-Somerset
Sen. Michael Willette, R-Aroostook
Sen. David Woodsome, R-York
Rep. Robert W. Alley Sr., D-Beals
Rep. Susan M.W. Austin, R-Gray
Rep. Kevin J. Battle, R-South Portland
Rep. Bruce A. Bickford, R-Auburn
Rep. Russell J. Black, R-Wilton
Rep. Andrew R. Buckland, R-Farmington
Rep. James J. Campbell Sr., I-Newfield
Rep. Richard H. Campbell, R-Orrington
Rep. Paul Chace, R-Durham
Rep. Patrick W. Corey, R-Windham
Rep. Dale J. Crafts, R-Lisbon
Rep. Kathleen R.J. Dillingham, R-Oxford
Rep. Larry C. Dunphy, R-Embden
Rep. Michelle A. Dunphy, D-Old Town
Rep. Anthony J. Edgecomb, R-Fort Fairfield
Rep. Ellie Espling, R-New Gloucester
Rep. Bradlee T. Farrin, R-Norridgewock
Rep. Robert A. Foley, R-Wells
Rep. Kenneth W. Fredette, R-Newport
Rep. Karen A. Gerrish, R-Lebanon
Rep. James. S. Gillway, R-Searsport
Rep. Phyllis A. Ginzler, R-Bridgton
Rep. Jared F. Golden, D-Lewiston
Rep. Randall A. Greenwood, R-Wales
Rep. Stacey K. Guerin, R-Glenburn
Rep. Sheldon M. Hanington, R-Lincoln
Rep. Jeffery P. Hanley, R-Pittston
Rep. Stephanie Hawke, R-Boothbay Harbor
Rep. Frances M. Head, R-Bethel
Rep. Lloyd C. Herrick, R-Paris
Rep. Craig V. Hickman, D-Winthrop
Rep. Gary L. Hilliard, R-Belgrade
Rep. Brian D. Hobart, R-Bowdoinham
Rep. Jonathan L. Kinney, R-Limington
Rep. MaryAnne Kinney, R-Knox
Rep. Lawrence F. Lockman, R-Amherst
Rep. Ricky D. Long, R-Sherman
Rep. Peter A. Lyford, R-Eddington
Rep. Joyce A. Maker, R-Calais
Rep. Richard S. Malaby, R-Hancock
Rep. Donald G. Marean, R-Hollis
Rep. John L. Martin, D-Eagle Lake
Rep. Jeff M. McCabe, D-Skowhegan
Rep. Michael D. McClellan, R-Raymond
Rep. Carol A. McElwee, R-Caribou
Rep. Robert W. Nutting, R-Oakland
Rep. Beth A. O'Connor, R-Berwick
Rep. Wayne r. Parry, R-Arundel
Rep. Matthew J. Peterson, D-Rumford
Rep. John J. Pichiotti, R-Fairfield
Rep. Richard A. Pickett, R-Dixfield
Rep. Matthew G. Pouliot, R-Augusta
Rep. Dwayne W. Prescott,R-Waterboro
Rep. Roger E. Reed, R-Carmel
Rep. Deborah, J. Sanderson, R-Chelsea
Rep. Robert J. Saucier, D-Presque Isle
Rep. David P. Sawicki, R-Auburn
Rep. Michael A. Shaw, D-Standish
Rep. Roger L. Sherman, R-Hodgdon
Rep. Stanley B. Short Jr., I-Pittsfield
Rep. Heather W. Sirocki, R-Scarborough
Rep. Thomas H. Skolfield, R-Weld
Rep. Stephen S. Stanley D-Medway
Rep. Paul A. Stearns, R-Guilford
Rep. Joel R. Stetkis, R-Canaan
Rep. Timothy S. Theriault, R-China
Rep. Jeffrey L. Timberlake, R-Turner
Rep. Michael J. Timmons, R-Cumberland
Rep. William R. Tuell, R-East Machias
Rep. Beth P. Turner, R-Burlington
Rep. Karen Vachon, R-Scarborough
Rep. Arthur C. Verow, D-Brewer
Rep. Nathan J. Wadsworth, R-Hiram
Rep. Raymond A. Wallace, R-Dexter
Rep. Karleton S. Ward, R-Dedham
Rep. Charlotte Warren, D-Hallowell
Rep. Dustin M. White, R-Washburn
Rep. Tom J. Winsor, R-Norway
Rep. Stephen J. Wood, R-Greene
Cumberland County police chiefs denounce concealed carry gun bill
While the bill is drawing support across partisan lines, it is also dividing the law enforcement community. Maine State Police endorsed the measure at a legislative hearing, while local departments testified against it and held a news conference to highlight their concerns.
"When we roll into a scene, we're looking for weapons," Portland Police Chief Michael Sauschuck said during the news conference, speaking on behalf of the city and the Maine Chiefs of Police Association. He was flanked by chiefs and other police officials from Cumberland County. "Common sense would say, why wouldn't you have a permitting process before allowing someone to conceal a firearm in the community?" Sauschuck said.
Sen. Eric Brakey, R-Auburn, the bill's lead sponsor, said the proposal is "modest." He told members of the Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee that state law now turns a legal gun owner into "a criminal" for "the simple action of putting on a jacket."
"The only change this legislation proposes is how a handgun may be carried," he said. "We are simply allowing a legal gun owner to carry, while wearing a jacket, without a permit."
Currently, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Utah and Vermont have no restrictions on carrying concealed handguns.
Maine State Police said that there are currently 36,000 concealed handgun permits, including 12,000 for non-residents, that have been issued by the state. The total number of permits is likely much higher because they are also issued by local police and there is no centralized registry.
Brakey argued that the permitting system creates barriers for law-abiding citizens to exercise their constitutional right to carry a gun.
Sen. Stan Gerzofsky, D-Brunswick, a member of the criminal justice committee, countered that the Second Amendment allows U.S. citizens to bear arms, but it doesn't protect the right to "hide a gun."
"That's what you're proposing," Gerzofsky said. "You're proposing to allow people to hide a gun."
STATE, LOCAL POLICE DIVIDED
Critics said the bill also would effectively eliminate the screening offered by background checks for certain gun purchases.
Maine law currently allows gun owners to openly carry a handgun. However, concealing a handgun requires a permit from state police or local law enforcement. Receiving a permit requires obtaining a gun safety certificate. There is also a "good moral character" requirement and a background check to determine if the applicant is a convicted felon, or has been involved in domestic violence disputes.
The screening process is one reason why gun control advocates and several law enforcement organizations opposed the bill, arguing that the permitting process added a layer of safety for law enforcement and the public.
Sauschuck, the Portland chief, said he turned down 13 requests for permits in 2012, 23 in 2013 and 11 in 2014. Some of those were from convicted felons, people convicted of domestic violence charges or people who had endangered children. One was a man who asked his young child to hide a loaded gun when police were at the door, Sauschuck said at the news conference.
"I believe that had a positive impact on the safety of this community," Sauschuck said of the permit denials. He said repealing the law also would send the wrong message to drug dealers, who might then legally carry a concealed weapon.
However, the Maine Department of Public Safety, which includes the state police, endorsed the proposal Wednesday.
The department is overseen by Gov. Paul LePage, who holds a concealed weapons permit. LePage has not explicitly said whether he supports eliminating the permit requirement. Nonetheless, testimony by state police Maj. Christopher Grotton will likely be seen as an endorsement by the LePage administration.
Grotton testified that Maine's permit system is antiquated and that there is no consistent permitting format across the state's more than 400 municipalities. He also said the permits were not an indicator of safety, adding that state police have rejected 0.006 percent of permit applications, on average.
"It's easy to feel that this is a step away from safety," Grotton said, but the permit system does not prevent a dangerous person from owning or carrying a gun. He said whether an individual openly carries a gun or hides it does not have a bearing on public safety.
"Truly, the measure of whether or not you're safe is you evaluate people based on their behavior and your instinct, not necessarily whether they're carrying a gun or not," he said.
WARY OF NO BACKGROUND CHECKS
Grotton said state police have long supported efforts to overhaul the permit system. That was the department's position in 2013, when another no-permit bill was narrowly defeated by the Democrat-controlled Legislature. Republicans hold more seats in the Legislature this session, and with 14 Democrats signed on as co-sponsors, the bill is seen as having a better chance of passing.
In 2013, lawmakers scrambled to shield the identities of permit holders after the Bangor Daily News requested their names and addresses through the state's Freedom of Access Act. Since then, lawmakers have resisted efforts to create a centralized permitting system operated by state police.
One bill last year would have created a central, confidential permitting system and allowed state police to conduct criminal and mental health background checks. The measure was drafted during more than a year of meetings by interested groups, including law enforcement, the Sportsman's Alliance of Maine and the National Rifle Association.
The NRA eventually backed an amendment that derailed the bipartisan overhaul, a move that some lawmakers criticized as election-year sabotage.
Opponents of Brakey's proposal argued Wednesday that removing the concealed permit requirement would also remove protections, including the background check requirement. If the bill were to pass, a person could carry a concealed weapon purchased in a private sale, where no background checks or waiting periods are required.
"Just as we don't allow people to drive cars without a valid driver's license, we shouldn't let people carry hidden, loaded handguns in crowded public places without a permit," said Melissa McKenzie, a mother of three children and a volunteer with Moms Demand Action in Maine, a gun control advocacy group. "If people want to carry a concealed handgun in our communities, around our kids, it just makes sense that we make sure they have a clean criminal record and some basic gun safety training first."
Gun control advocates often raise concerns about Maine's private gun marketplace. Those advocates and law enforcement officials have long argued that Maine and other states with unregulated private gun sales are an easy source of weapons for criminals or mentally unstable people who couldn't get a gun from a licensed dealer because they'd be required to pass a background check.
OTHER WEAPONS BILLS CONSIDERED
State police issued 3,912 concealed weapon permits in 2008, the year Barack Obama, a proponent of gun control, was elected president. The number of permits climbed to 5,706 the next year, and then to 7,574 in 2012, the year of Obama's re-election. Aggregate figures for permits issued by municipalities are not available, and the state does not track the statistics.
FBI figures for background checks in the corresponding years show that in 2008 there were 56,561 background checks sought in Maine through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS. There were 60,955 checks in 2009 and 91,834 in 2012. It's unclear if the increase in background checks is related to an increase in concealed weapons permit applications, which experienced a significant backlog in 2013.
Brakey's proposal was one of seven gun bills that received a public hearing Wednesday. One, a proposal by Rep. Mark Dion, D-Portland, is designed to promote – but not require – background checks on private sales. The bill, L.D. 415, would impose civil penalties on an individual who sells a firearm to someone who later commits a crime. It would be a Class D crime to knowingly sell a weapon to someone who is prohibited from possessing a firearm.
Dion, who helped negotiate the permit overhaul bill that failed last year, said his bill would put gun sellers in the position of weighing whether selling the gun without conducting a background check is worth the risk.
L.D. 415 and L.D. 823, both proposals to create a central permitting system, likely face the same uphill climb in the Legislature, which has historically rejected any gun legislation that can be perceived as a restriction on Second Amendment rights.
"We are told by our leaders on matters as volatile as this to 'vote your district,' " said Rep. Janice Cooper, D-Yarmouth. "Not vote your conscience, but vote your district. Save your seat so you can save our majority and thereby preserve or attain our ability to do good on other matters."
Lawmakers on the Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee will review L.D. 652 at a future work session.
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