PlayAsBeing Wiki > Chat Logs > 2008 > 08 > 2008.08.06 19:00 - Who Knows?
That evening, when I (Pema) arrived in the pavilion, I find Adelene, Prosper, and Threedee already sitting in the circle around the central table.
Pema Pera: Hi there, good evening!
Threedee Shepherd: Pema, I havce an "object" I would like to share with the group, but I cannot rez here.
Threedee Shepherd: That is, I can'tr "build"
I check our group membership.
Adelene Dawner: Try putting your group tag on?
Prosper Telling: That'ss do it.
Zen Buddhist - What is the sound of knowing?
Inspired by Threedee, I offer a few possible lines for PaB :).
Pema Pera: you made those all up? Sounds like a long-running joke !
Threedee Shepherd: Yes, I made this all up and formatted it.
Pema Pera: PaB -- Who Knows?
Pema Pera: is that better?
Threedee Shepherd: It has been developed over a few years, partly related to my teaching.
Prosper Telling: In a sense I would agree but in the convential sense of understanding and putting things into words, I would lean to the view that Being is Reality-As-It beyond our thinking mind.
Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps we can start a second list just for the PaB varients?
Pema Pera: haha, might be a long list . . . .
Prosper Telling: It quickly gets to the point I need an aspirin in these matters.
Adelene Dawner is, for the record, having a bad brain day. Pema has the concept, and she will be interested to see what others think of it, but will probably not be able to participate well.
Prosper Telling: Before I studied Buddhism mountains were mountains and streams and were streams. After I studied Buddhism a few years, mountains were n not mountains and streams were not streams, having reached enlightenment mountains are again mountains and streams are again streams.
Prosper Telling: When Being knows through us there is no us, only Being.
Pema Pera: Sky, how are things with you?
Sky tells us about some troubles in RL, which she call `this dream' because we have been talking about how our daily reality in some sense is a kind of dream, with Being the projector -- a metaphor of course, and only partially correct. It would take a while before we realized that she did not talk about an actual dream, but about the dream metaphor instead.
Prosper Telling: Can you tell us about the dream?
Sky Szimmer: the dream of my current reality.
Pema Pera: not a dream in the usual sense?
Threedee puts up a second poster, this time of what looks like a group of Tibetan monks having a great time riding a roller coster.
Pema Pera: but you are troubled by your real life, which you see as a dream?
Pema Pera: (still trying to understand, sorry Sky) -- so you experience RL as a roller coaster, and you would like to see it as a dream, but you have trouble doing so?
Sky Szimmer: Sorry Pema! I always have a hard time making myself clear..
Sky Szimmer: We always talk about RL here as like a dream.
Sky Szimmer: so that is why I refer my RL as a dream.
Pema Pera: well, a dream is one of the metaphors, but only one . . .
Adelene Dawner nods at Prosper. "You can assume there's a point, or you can assume there's not a point... we can't know either way, but one works better than the other."
Sky Szimmer: Part of me can see that I should just enjoy the ride, but then, it is hard to see it right now.
Adelene Dawner: And yes, that's very LoR. I haven't figured it out in LoA terms yet.
Adelene Dawner looks at Pema... help?
Avastu drops by, and I translate the acronyms that Adelene used, shorthands that I had introduced in a previous session.
Sky Szimmer: I have been using Being as a resource as you suggested.
Sky Szimmer: Pema and yet maybe I still don't but in my mind, I have made it to work for me.
Prosper Telling: I think part of living better is recognizing the impermenance of things, especially all the little things that annoy... what matters is Being. What abides in Being.
Prosper Telling: How big is the Here and Now? When does the There and Then become the here and now?
Prosper Telling: I hope I am not coming across a antagonistisc. So much gets lost in translation in a medium such as this.
Adelene Dawner: If all you have is Here and Now, *how* can you turn? You'll still be Here no matter what you do.
Prosper Telling: I find my Here and Now to be very, very big.
Stargate and Steve join us, and so there are eight of us. I feel deeply moved by the various sincere attempts from fellow guardians reaching out to Sky, and so does Sky, as she later would say.
Prosper Telling: 't Know Mind.
Prosper Telling: Someone almost sat on me? Yikes!
Stargate Tone: ...is he ?
Prosper Telling: caward? what is that?
Sky Szimmer: the 9sec practice has helped me see. let me ask all of you, is your RL not scary at all?
Adelene Dawner: What others call scary, or something that I'm afraid of? Big difference.
Prosper Telling: Very but so what. It is what it is. What matter is my response to it.
Adelene Dawner: Why can't laugh-Now Be this-Now?
Prosper Telling: From another point of view, I am almost assured a painful and possibly messy death in my life, somewhere very close to the end of it.
Threedee Shepherd: A german proverb comes to mind that captures the dilemms: Too soon old, Too late smart!
Saying this, Stargate leaves in an expanding clouds of big red hearts.
Threedee Shepherd: Not enlightened. Self is part of it, like everything else, that is to be "known"
Pema Pera: do you want to say a bit more what you are scared about, Sky?
Sky Szimmer: of course, there is no "time"
Pema Pera: just in ordinary terms -- without "absolute" considerations?
Sky Szimmer: I see that.
Pema Pera: can you say more?
Pema Pera: I would be too!
And I mean that. It would be counterproductive to deny a human reaction like that, or to wish that reaction wouldn't be there. Only by accepting such a very reasonable reaction is it then possible to look through it, and to see Being in the heart of the problems that beings have.
Pema Pera: it would be surprising if you would!
Adelene Dawner: Would not be worried? What makes you say that?
Pema Pera: No Sky, I would be worried, as I said above -- as a human being I would be . . . .
Pema Pera: the question is whether worrying would lead to panic . . . .
Adelene Dawner: Life involves some unhappiness. Removing that isn't any part of the goal. Nice side-effect, sometimes, but not the goal.
Prosper Telling: I think those are the things practices can deal with.
Prosper Telling: If you can fix a problem, no worrying is required, if you can't fix no worrying will help.
So true! And when we find ourselves worrying nonetheless, we can keep that in mind, in a gentle attempt to accept our worrying and to see it in a wider light.
Pema Pera: trying to jump right into the absolute may be a bit too extreme in your situation . . . . .
Threedee Shepherd: Another saying captures part of the paradox: "Good decisions come from wisdom. Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from bad decisions."
Prego Zapatero: can i joint ?
Pema Pera: glad to hear that, Sky!
Pema Pera: Great seeing you all again!
Pema Pera: Steve, if you stay for a while, can you send me the log?
Pema Pera: the rest of it (or all, whatever it easiest)?
Pema Pera: and looking forward to meeting in RL next week!
Prosper Telling: welcome... I've bumped into you in a few places. I think your nose was bigger?
Prego Zapatero: its this like a spirituality group ?
stevenaia Michinaga: we record these sessions if you don't mind, and post them on a blog, is that ok?
Prego Zapatero: sorry guys i am new here, its this like a private group ?
stevenaia Michinaga: do you mind if we post your comments Prego?
Prosper Telling: thank you for giving us the chance.
Chrismiss Whybrow: the metting is over?
Chrismiss Whybrow: so you go by.. eastern time?
Prego Zapatero: wats the topyc of the group ?
Prego Zapatero: ok guy have agret time!!!
Prosper Telling: I must run as well.
Chrismiss Whybrow: can i sit here?
Threedee Shepherd: come again. we are here every day.
Chrismiss Whybrow: i don't know what to do now.. the meeting's over?