Nine impressively qualified co-authors - all apart from Steven Jones not known to me in connection with 9/11 studies before, though I don't claim exhaustive knowledge.
9/11 blogger (http://911blogger.com/node/19761) and Global research (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20090403&articleId=13049) are already onto it.
Someone just did 'a len' on my post of the same material [and some articles about it] on 'the other' Forum. It took him only some minutes. Must have gotten to NSA - farmed-out to some PR firm who prepares the rebuttal and then on to the hinterlands for posting. Our tax money spent as usual - against us.
University of Copenhagen Chemistry Dept. is very well renowned, and has world-class equiptment. Smart move too to not use a US lab subject to US pressure and de-funding moves. The lead author is from Univ. Copenhagen.
I just read the entire article - a damning one at that! Even for the non-scientist, it is a must read. Look at the photos of the bi-colored composite nano-material powder! Look at the findings they found in the literature about such stuff and how it can be disguised as paint or fireproofing materials [sic].
Yes, America has, and has long had, a big problem. The problem is now SO IMMENSE>>>>>>!
Someone just did 'a len' on my post of the same material [and some articles about it] on 'the other' Forum.
As you and many of our colleagues know, the ""other' forum" you reference is owned and operated by two individuals, one of whom is a congenital liar and moral coward. It is thoroughly penetrated by agent provocateurs, including one cover identity -- the most notorious and frequently appearing -- in the name of a man whose father contributed directly and all too significantly to big tobacco genocide by knowlingly falsifying science.
Isn't it ironic, then, that this same cover identity has been selected to lead the charge of coordinated, intentionally and fatally flawed "scientific" attacks on 9-11 research?
Most science-based investigators of the events of 9/11/2001 are reluctant to develop detailed hypotheses or conjectures for obvious reasons: to speculate about unknown events in a criminal conspiracy is to invite the label of "conspiracy theorist" with its weight of discrediting associations, unless, of course, one is parroting the speculations of the officially-endorsed account.
The chief apologists for the official story seem to want it both ways: on the one hand stigmatizing anyone who questions the official version of events as a conspiracy theorist, and on the other hand faulting the same intellectual dissidents for not articulating a detailed theory of the crime, as Ryan Mackey does here. How interesting that the conspiracy theorist label remains the first line of defense against the consideration of alternative hypotheses, while the main arguments against controlled demolition of the Twin Towers appeal to alleged difficulties in implementation -- arguments that can only be answered through postulating hypothetical scenarios.
Here, then, is such a scenario -- in much more detail than suggestions I have previously made to answer frequently asked questions -- that I hope will be useful to other investigators working to solve the horrific crime of '9/11'.
The present scenario is a detailed hypothetical account of the method by which each of the Twin Towers was totally destroyed. Although the visible pattern of destruction of the North and South Towers differ in details, they both fit the same general description: The block above the crash zone starts to move, accompanied almost immediately by dust ejections, then disappears into the exploding dust cloud, which progresses down the vertical axis of the Tower's intact portion leaving nothing standing but portions of the core, which then falls apart. The similarities in the patterns of destruction, as well as the nearly identical structures of the Towers themselves, suggests that essentially the same method was used to destroy each Tower, with adjustments of that method to account for the differences in the plane crashes. The scenario is described for the general case of either Tower. It postulates that the plane crashes were planned and executed with some degree of precision, using their automated flight control systems, and the adjustments in the demolition method planned accordingly.
The scenario reflects this dichotomy in postulating that two distinct stages comprised the demolition of each Tower: a first stage in which strategically-placed thermitic incendiaries attack steelwork while the Tower is still standing, and a second stage in which widely-distributed thermitic explosives shatter the Tower from top to bottom.
All of the equipment is available off-the-shelf from commercial vendors or special operations supply depots except for the wireless explosive ceiling tiles, which have to be specially manufactured. The tiles are assembled at a facility that is supplied with pre-manufactured materials and parts, some only for secret military applications: 2-channel wireless igniters in the form of thin-profile cards, nanocomposite thin-film explosives in the form of rolls, and acoustic-tile fiberboard sheets pre-cut to the correct sizes and pre-painted. The facility cuts the thin film explosive sheets to the correct size, cements a igniter to the film, and laminates the film between two pieces of fiberboard.
The scenario allows all of the equipment installation to be disguised so that the very workers doing the installation work are oblivious to the fact that they are installing demolition equipment. None of equipment looks anything like conventional demolition gear, and there is a fully plausible innocent explanation for each procedure. There are no wires connecting components. Even on close examination the equipment would not reveal its true purpose. If a worker were to break open a ceiling tile and find the nano-thermite film layer, his supervisor would explain what he was told -- that the new energy-efficient tiles have an embedded a vapor- and radiative-heat-loss barrier.
The labor-intensive portions of the operation might be made more secure by using undocumented workers with limited English skills.
The only part of the installation work that requires direct access to steelwork is the application of the thermate coating compound and the attachment of high-temperature igniters to the coated areas. Because this treatment is only applied to steelwork in the core around the planned crash zone and the hat truss, the number of access points is relatively small, and can be reached almost entirely through parts of the building controlled by building services.
The use of a spray applicator with a flexible snake hose and integrated borescope allows a worker to treat an entire section of column walled off by sheetrock by drilling a few 2-inch-diameter holes in the sheetrock, perhaps above the level of the ceiling tiles. Such efforts to make the work inconspicuous are hardly critical, given that the work is supposedly to upgrade fire protection of the steelwork. And, if anyone asks, the igniters are vibration detectors used to monitor the structure's performance in high winds.
The replacement of ceiling tiles throughout the building may have been done on any of a number of schedules. On the one hand the tiles could have been supplied as part of an maintenance contract and installed using the existing building maintenance staff doing what they thought of as normal building maintenance work. Since the new landlord had just taken over in late July of 2001, it wouldn't seem at all unusual to see some refurbishing, especially as unobtrusive as swapping out old ceiling tiles.
Alternatively, the tiles could have been installed during overnight hours by a team of maintenance workers unnoticed by tenants. The logistics of such an operation can be imagined, and some estimates of human resources made.
We know that the Towers had only two types of ceiling tiles: 20-inch squares for the tenant spaces and 12-inch squares for the core spaces. An estimate of the number of tiles per tower is 12,000,000 large tiles and 8,000,000 small tiles.
There were two different ceiling tile systems originally installed in the towers under Port Authority specification. The framing for each was hung from the bottom of the floor trusses, resulting in an apparent room height of 8.6 ft and an above-ceiling height of about 3.4 ft. The tiles in the tenant spaces were 20 in. square, 3/4 in. thick, lay-in pieces on an exposed tee bar grid system. The tiles in the core area were 12 in. square, 3/4 in. thick, mounted in a concealed suspension system.
The new ceiling tiles with embedded thin-film explosives and wireless ignitors are installed throughout every other floor of the Tower starting just below the planned crash zone. The South Tower gets the same treatment above the 95th floor. In all, each Tower gets 500,000 of the large tiles and 400,000 of the small tiles.
With workers swapping in new tiles at an average rate of ten tiles per minute per worker, it takes a team of twenty workers 50 hours to retrofit an entire Tower. The work is performed in a week and week-end of night shifts, emptying one truckload per night, with the truck parking inconspicuously in the WTC subterranean parking garage.
The remaining equipment is installed with a minimum of effort. The 50-channel repeaters are installed in communication equipment closets on each floor having the ceiling tile retrofits, and on floors having treated steelwork and kicker charges.
The kicker charges are mounted in closets and elevator shafts, generally just above portions of the structure that have been treated with the thermate coating compound.
It also bears noting that all of the pyrotechnic materials are based on the thermite reaction and do not involve the kind of nitro-aromatic compounds whose residues are the most likely to be tested for in a crime scene investigation.
The demolition sequence is designed to conceal the fact of its being a controlled demolition despite using perhaps two orders of magnitude more explosive energy to destroy the Tower than would be required in a conventionally-engineered controlled-demolition implosion. A key objective is get the top of the Tower to move before explosive action is clearly evident to onlookers outside the building.
The two stages outlined above, separated by the time T-0, are designed to achieve this objective by sufficiently degrading key parts of the structure in Stage 1 so that the relatively small kicker charges can produce movement in the top at the onset of Stage 2.
Partly because thermate produces bright orange light while burning, Stage 1 is alloted time to run to completion before the Stage 2 commences. In the South Tower, some thermate pushed by the plane crash from the building's core to its corner generates an orange spout lasting from about T-7 to T-2 minutes.
At the onset of Stage 2, kicker charges mounted just above the core steelwork attacked in Stage 1 are ignited by the wireless control system, fully detaching the core's upper block from its base and from the hat truss, and causing it to fall several feet. Half a second later, ignition of thin-film charges around the crash zones start. The jolt provided by the short fall of the core's upper block, combined with the blast wave of the synchronized detonation of the high-explosive tiles adjacent to the perimeter walls, buckles and breaks the perimeter columns and initiates the descent of the entire upper block of the Tower.
Once descent of the Tower's upper block begins, the thin-film explosives on the equipped floors are ignited via the wireless control system just ahead of the descending wave of destruction below the crash zone, as well as in the upper portion of the descending block.
Because the thin film explosives ignite rapidly and have relatively high bristance, the tiles in a given ceiling create largely planar blast waves that attenuate very little until they encounter a floor. The blast waves from one level of tiles travel up to through the web trusses and to the the steel pans under the floor slab above, and down through office furnishings to the floor slabs below. The fact that the explosive tiles are present only in every other story assures that the detonation of the tiles on one level won't immediately disrupt the tiles on the next lower level, which will be detonated a fraction of a second later.
We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 �C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
The American Heritage� Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright �2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
7. As measured using DSC, the material ignites and reacts vigorously at a temperature of approximately 430 �C, with a rather narrow exotherm, matching fairly closely an independent observation on a known super-thermite sample. The low temperature of ignition and the presence of iron oxide grains less than 120 nm show that the material is not conventional thermite (which ignites at temperatures above 900 �C) but very likely a form of super-thermite.
8. After igniting several red/gray chips in a DSC run to 700 �C, we found numerous iron-rich spheres and spheroids in the residue, indicating that a very high temperature reaction had occurred, since the iron-rich product clearly must have been molten to form these shapes. In several spheres, elemental iron was verified since the iron content significantly exceeded the oxygen content. We conclude that a high-temperature reduction-oxidation reaction has occurred in the heated chips, namely, the thermite reaction.
I await a reply from the Obama Administration, but fear - short of a very loud public outcry - there will only be the deafening silence of a new President 'looking forward, not back'. Science, engineering, and history don't move at all when you don't look at cause [back] and effect [present]. Only then can one look forward into the future - otherwise it is just a bad repeat of the past mistakes or planned evil. The MSM hasn't yet picked this up - surprise! surprise! surprise!
Well said Peter and I am afraid you may be right. I don't understand all the looking forward not looking back bit either. Hey! Let's pretend that nothing happened. South Africa had their truth and reconciliation process. It is impossible to move forward unless the past is at least acknowledged and meaningful amends made. Otherwise, like you say, it is just a bad repeat of the past mistakes or planned evil.
Are there any other explanations for the active thermite to be found there?
The only way air safety has made progress, ditto car safety or name any other field, has been to look at past crashes, mistakes etc. A real investigation. Of course we know why they don't want to look 'back' - because one might see the 'hand' of the magicians and who paid them to pull-off the 'trick'. I can think of nothing that would explain .01% thermite in the WTC dust [small %, but HUGE amount] unless they had a really nasty rodent problem and were going to blast them out:flute:.......it really looks bad, but if this tree falls in the forest and the MSM is not there to record it, it will have never happened for the Populace, in general.
"I predict that debunkers will mostly ignore the detailed results from the Differential Scanning Calorimeter, the two Figures with DSC plots, which show that the energy release from two chips in kJ/gram EXCEEDS the maximum output available from THERMITE alone.
And let's see if they address our evidence for NANO-thermite (as opposed to the straw-man arguments against ordinary thermite). In the past, NIST and others seem to have been incapable of acknowledging that we have evidence for super-thermite (nano-thermite), not just thermite!
Further, note that we do not yet have DSC analyses for the RED MATERIAL in isolation (with no gray material adhering). When that study is completed, I expect that the kJ/gram yield will be even higher (for the red material alone).
All these results demand explanation and determination of WHO made this material and WHO placed it in the WTC buildings."
World Trade Center crashed perhaps gravel because someone had placed combustible nano materials in the buildings, and not because the two aircraft was throbbing in them. Analysis of the dust after the WTC has just published a scientific article, including a Danish chemist.
It was apparently not only office equipment, walls and ceilings, which were pulverized and spread over large parts of Manhattan as the World Trade Center in 2001 was hit by two aircraft during a violent terrorist attacks against the United States.
The dust contained, according to a scientific article also traces of well-nanotermit - a custom-made material with so much energy that it can develop tremendous heat and be decidedly explosive (see box at the bottom of the article).
The chemical reaction forms the liquid metal, with temperatures around 2500 degrees Celsius may have melted the steel beams that were the core of the towers of the World Trade Center.
The active nanotermit - also called supertermit - found by an international group through careful analysis of four different dust samples that were grouped together in Manhattan in New York in hours and days after the terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001.
The spectacular performance has just published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal - a peer-reviewed journal that is freely available online. Peer review means that the analysis and findings in the article has been reviewed and endorsed by professional practitioners.
One of nine authors of the article is Niels Harrit, Associate Professor of Chemistry Institute of the University of Copenhagen.
"This is a purely technical breakthrough. This is the first time ever showing at the highest scientific level, that there were explosives in the World Trade Center, "said Niels Harrit to videnskab.dk.
According to Niels Harrit matches found for recordings from 11 September of liquid metal flowing out of the towers just before they collapse. And it explains why many weeks later, still lakes of molten iron in the rubble of the towers.
While the discovery offers a logical explanation of why the 400-meter high towers could overthrow vertically with a speed close to free fall, although they usually held up by solid steel structures that were built to withstand such. conflicting aircraft.
"Observations indicate that there is one other used nanotermit, and results from our analysis is entirely consistent with the fact that it was a controlled demolition of the towers," said Niels Harrit, adding that the explosive-like mixture may have been planted in the buildings.
'Termites can not come from the two planes. Nanotermit be like other explosives placed extremely close to the main beams, while the detonation can be controlled electronically, "says the Niels Harrit.
The most official study of the attack on the towers 11 September has not analyzed the ruins or dust for termites, or traces of explosives.
National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded in its report that the molten metal include aluminum from the two planes and that there is not reason to believe that there was any kind of explosives or similar in the two towers.
The authors are really another. In the scientific article telling that a dust sample from which all visible pieces of glass and concrete stored at 0.1% nanotermit. The authors points out that a number of samples before they can provide figures on the total content of dust from the World Trade Center - but, according to Niels Harrit it appears that many tonnes of unreacted termites "have been spread around in New York streets and apartments after the two towers collapse.
Within the Danish military has a thorough knowledge of normal termites. Head of explosive ordnance disposal service, Michael Krogh, calling it "a bit of a relic of the Cold War. He says that termites are good - and is being used - to destroy the stock before it falls into enemy hands.
Michael Krogh unaware nano version, but he may just well imagine that it could be used to tear the building down.
'Termites easily burn through steel and concrete with a few thousand degree temperature. The difficult thing is to get it to burn horizontally, as it is gravity that controls movement. But if you can get it to burn down through the inclined, you could probably get jerndragere to slip and thus destroy the structure, "assesses Michael Krogh.
'So we could get a little momentum in the building so that it moves a little in the way the Twin Towers collapsed on. Once a revival in some design elements, so it just continues to collapse. I could imagine it could be something, "says the Krogh Michael - he is before he becomes aware that the conversation is about just the Twin Towers and 11 September.
Michael Krogh adds that it is so extensive a project that we usually use small household shipments of explosives ready to put the process in motion.
Terror Researcher Martin Harrow interest among others for the technical part of the terrorist acts. He says that terrorist attacks almost always performed with explosives of very poor quality "and that it is usually either homemade or cheap and commercially. Advanced explosives are difficult to obtain, is very expensive and are usually only used in the mines or the military. Therefore, he is skeptical because he has described nanotermit and told that it should be used in connection with 9 / 11.
Nanotermit described in the articles online, including Entrepreneur.com and Wikipedia.
It is also mentioned in an article in Physorg.com about a possible new cancer treatment, invented by researchers in cooperation with the U.S. military.
"We expose themselves enormously much when doing things like this. When you consider how much an organization is doing to keep such a secret operation in advance, it becomes only more difficult if we are talking advanced explosives, "notes Martin Harrow.
"When you think about the previous attacks by al-Qaeda, it sounds strange that they suddenly had to use many tonnes of sophisticated explosives. If one alternative is envisaged that an intelligence had to take the risk of being detected, while the smuggling hundreds of tonnes of explosives into ... No, it sounds strange in every way possible, "said Martin Harrow, PhD student at the Danish Institute for International Studies.
Similarly, his colleague at DTU, professor of microscopic Andy Horse Well. After a quick perusal doubt Andy Horse Well in return, that the article shows nanotermit in the dust.
'The authors show a content of ordinary minerals like aluminum and iron, which is not surprising in dust from a building fire. I would not be surprised if the measured chemical compositions came from any burnt, but I could be wrong, for I must stress that I do not know anything about either termites or nanotermit, "says Andy Horse Well, who is co-editor of the prestigious journal Materials Science and Technology.
Andy Horse Well adds that he is not wise to termites to read the article because it did not elaborate on the measurements or have independent international experts to address the issue.
Niels Harrit and eight co-known as critics of the official reports about what caused the two towers and the more unknown building 7 next to collapse after the attack 11 September. Niels Harrit believes it can make the criticism of the article's conclusions is worse than usual.
'The critics of course will use against us. If you can not play ball, you attack the man. But we've made a criminal technical investigation on a scientific level, and the results may serve as technical evidence, if and when there will be a trial, "said Niels Harrit.
"We have found nano termites and if they are not used to tear down the towers, may ever be able to tell why and how they have ended up there," he said.
Videnskab.dk have spoken to a number of sources in English professional demolition companies, English Fire and Security Technical Institute, National Building Research Institute and Force Technology, a technological material producer - but nobody knows nanotermit. Force states that typically use termites to weld railway tracks, but no bids on why it should be found in a building.
Thanks for that Peter. I actually love google translations. Most of it is pretty good and far better than I can muster on my own. Some of it is a bit weird and the rest is just hilarious. Termite, hey?
I am looking forward to the excuses for this one. They'll be coming soon.
I often wonder what all the 'coincidence theorists' and fellow travelers will do if Darth Cheney every actually admits to any of this? Probably still keep to the party line.
I've just spent a couple of hours on the 911Blogger site trawling through comments since the original post last Friday. Some good stuff with Prof Jones chiming in a lot himself. There are some preliminary attack skirmishes, with the most credible - though strictly preliminary, tentative and of the 'seeking further information' variety - from Dr Frank Greening. Greening published a technical rebuttal of Gordon Ross's well known 'Momentum Transfer Analysis' paper a couple of years ago. My guess he will seek to undermine this study on technical grounds too since his real speciality is chemical engineering. Prof Jones is welcoming his attention though and positively inviting expert technical analysis and criticism.
The real nub of the new paper's findings is that there is a large quantity of very high tech nano-technology material of military-grade explosive power (rather than standard demolition HX) present with what amounts to a near DNA type signature that should render it traceable with near 100% certainty given the resources to do so. My preliminary judgement is that they really are onto something big here.
Further to previous post, Prof Jones also says that he detects signs of a mood sea change among university faculties on 9/11 research too - and he's heartened by it. With any luck this will give a kick start to reviving the whole issue again. There have been a significant number of Top-level Executive and Military office-holder changes (not least the Presidency) so, whilst the US State Department and Military have a lot invested in 'The Official version', the power of those leading the cover up must surely be weaker than it was. We can but hope.
Don't mean to be a pessimist on this, but hope for what? The officials will never IMO admit the truth on this or Dallas or Iran Contra or Savings and Loan or current Economic Collapse and all the covert ops in between. They can NOT - the entire system upon which they feed would collapse. WE the People might not mind the CHANGE it would bring - and huge change that would be!...but since all current pols and people in power would no longer be - or be in prison or on the run, they can not, will not and will go down fiighting - my own personal belief willing to suspend the Constitution, and put all 'protestors' in prison camps; call out the military and Xe etc. throughout the USA to keep what they have. Sorry to say. All we can hope for, really, is a peaceful revolution bottom-up. Top-down you can forget about it!......not even an investigation, no change - only PR and re-arranging deck chairs on the US Titanic, IMO.
Don't mean to be a pessimist on this, but hope for what? The officials will never IMO admit the truth on this or Dallas or Iran Contra or Savings and Loan or current Economic Collapse and all the covert ops in between. They can NOT - the entire system upon which they feed would collapse. WE the People might not mind the CHANGE it would bring - and huge change that would be!...but since all current pols and people in power would no longer be - or be in prison or on the run, they can not, will not and will go down fiighting - my own personal belief willing to suspend the Consitution, and put all 'protestors' in prison camps; call out the military and Xe etc. throughout the USA to keep what they have. Sorry to say. All we can hope for, really, is a peaceful revolution bottom-up. Top-down you can forget about it!......not even an investigation, no change - only PR and re-arranging deck chairs on the US Titanic, IMO.
Well Peter, I have to say I agree with pretty much all of that. Investment in the official narrative and the righteousness of the epoch-changing foreign policy and military initiatives it underpins is just so vast as to render it absolutely sacrosanct to the Western Power Elites. In similar fashion to the orthodox religious creeds of old, effective high-profile dissent will continue to be life-threateningly dangerous to the dissenter unless he can be effectively ridiculed or otherwise marginalised. I have always maintained that the USA could not survive official confirmation that it is a false narrative and so, short of the dissolution of the USA, the official narrative will stand no matter how overwhelming the evidence of its absurdity.
That said, I also believe that the continued existence of the USA as a unitary State together with its 'Empire' of subservient states (the UK chief among them) can no longer be taken for granted. The confluence of threats posed by climate change, population growth and peak just-about-everything (especially Oil/Gas) have brought humanity to a pretty unique pass right now and there is no guarantee how the chips will fall, other than that there is likely to be serious and vicious repression to maintain an increasingly untenable status-quo. My hope (forlorn though it may be) is that the 9/11 Truth movement may succeed in providing bit of a push to the process because that's probably about all we can hope for.
I believe that the "guy from Brazil" referenced by Peter, along with being a real person, is a cover identity for disinformation agents who have thoroughly penetrated the forum on which they post under his name.
This is the same cover identity whose real-life father was intimately involved in the genocide conducted by Big Tobacco.
This is the latest comment from Steven Jones posted earlier today (http://www.911blogger.com/node/19761?page=3) and addressing some of the attempted debunks to date. It reinforces my earlier expressed opinion that this is a very significant development. Its headed "What you need to know about peer review"
And now, as is per usual, a certain moderator has posted in response to my long explanation of why it was a totally valid scientific peer review process, "Oh, so you admit it was not peer-reviewed." They just throw out anything to negate - logic and honesty be damned. I just responded to the nonsensical response for those naive in the viewing audience. The two mentioned above are beyond the pale, and well into the unspeakable camp, IMO.
Sorry but I can't help myself.
The authors of the paper you have quoted have - in the 911 regard - a reputation for avoiding peer review of their papers. When they have had such material peer reviewed, it has been unanimously rejected.
The authors of the paper you have quoted have - in the 911 regard - a reputation for avoiding peer review of their papers. When they have had such material peer reviewed, it has been unanimously rejected.Please tell me that this is not the same moderator (from another forum) who banned Jan from posting unless Jan agreed that the moderator could 'rewrite' his post because Jan rightly questioned the extremely dubious piece of psyop crap masquerading as a 'Peer Reviewed' 911 journal of another member there ??? WTF!!! Does this person know about peer review of any kind? Does he know which way is up? He can't be serious?
Some people should stick to pulling legs off fleas.
Now if only it had been 'peer reviewed' in that journal manufactured by that boy from Brazil. Everyone would be happy.
An chance of a url - cos I'm still in the dark on this one?
James Randii as a reference?! Oh dear, oh dear....He doesn't know does he?
...and I probably just posted my own expulsion from that Forum, but Burton's post made me 'see red'!
IMO he gets his talking points from others and ad libs his posts. He has NO business being a moderator. He has done more harm on that Forum than the boy from Brazil - but seems to work in parallel with him.
The general tone of a post often conveys more information than the content. The smug superiority on display over there is very much a case in point. The authors of a properly and rigorously peer-review paper castigated as 'rogues and scoundrels' with not even the pretence of a reasoned rebuttal. It reminds me of the treatment routinely meted out to criticism of Zionism for example. In similar fashion, 'Anti-Semite' is the reflex response, with no attempt to engage with the facts.
On these sorts of contentious issues where an iron-clad official orthodoxy prevails, the most telling consideration for me is the extent of 'professional' risk (and often risks to personal safety) that dissenting views must accept if they are to be heard. There is no question of Steven Jones and his co-authors seeking personal gain or currying favour with TPTB - or anyone else for that matter. That much is crystal clear to anyone with half a brain. Rather, they are taking considerable risks with their careers. That alone demands that they be given a fair hearing by fair-mind people capable of thinking for themselves. The scurrilous abuse evident on that thread tells me pretty much all I need to know about those orchestrating it.
What you don't know Peter is that 'B' is also a moderator and one known to change other's posts or remove them or close a thread or ban someone who displeases him [or whomever he might be doing the bidding of - formally or informally]. He and the other will tag-team to make sure there is a negative post on the article [substance not important - negation is!] at the bottom of the tread at all times. Newbees and most others on the Forum won't dare post anything for fear of being slammed. Jack and I [while we still have the privilege] will. I fear for my own posting rights remaining so after my last two posts...but I just got very angry. These are exactly the lumpen troops who carry out the disinformation efforts. There is a long history behind all this, but won't bore you.
Randii, a very accomplished magician knows all about misdirection of attention - the first and foremost effort of the magic show - I know, my uncle was a professional magician and taught me the basics. A few of these people are just honestly misguided or blinded by the societal patriotic (sic) mythology. I fear all too many are actively involved in keeping the strings hidden of the men behind the curtain from the viewing public.
Oh, there is a lot more to the magician than magic. It concerns credit cards, unconsenting children, a certain intel organisation and the effort to hide the evidence.
Peter P (to distinguish you from Peter L), this is a tricky subject.
There is another site that many of us used to post on, and a few here still do. I have asked for my account and my posts there to be deleted, and this request has eventually been granted.
Whilst I have nothing but contempt for the way that site is moderated, my own personal view is that I do not want DPF sullying with threads moaning about that other site.
However, the issue is complicated by the fact that the straw that broke this camel's back concerned claims by a third website, a "debunking 911 conspiracies" site, that it published peer-reviewed papers when it in fact it posts papers which have not been peer-reviewed and allows authors to use pseudonyms in supposedly "academic" and "peer-reviewed" papers.
I too was a regular contributor to that site. And I'm proud to take partial credit for exposing the cover identity of which I've written as just that -- a vessel in which representatives of the national security state travel to debunk and otherwise disrupt legitimate efforts to expose deep political operations to the light of day.
On that forum I demonstrated how the cover identity is used by writers of widely divergent literary and cognitive abilities simply by posting a side-by-side comparison of the identity's then-recent offerings.
The cover identity himself, by the way, is the son of a scientist who aided and abetted Big Tobacco in their conspiracy to poison the world.
Another ham-handed agent provocateur who -- believe it or not -- enjoys moderator status on that forum is a member of the Australian military. He has been known to spend scores of hours per week monitoring the Deep Politics Forum, and I can't believe that he's capable of doing so exclusively on his own time. So he's either commiting actionable offenses against his employer's rules, or he is acting under orders. It's that simple.
Like the son of Big Tobacco, the moderator seems to have instant -- that's the key -- access to a vast database not commonly available to everyman.
The forum is owned by two individuals. One of them, as I posted earlier, is a congenital liar and an intellectual coward. On two occasions he has attempted to engage me in battles of wits and ideas, has been soundly thrashed, and has responded by erasing my posts and/or locking the threads.
His most recent perfidy: He has arranged for my computer to be banned from accessing his forum even as he publicly claims otherwise. On two occasions I posted from a friend's computer; then suddenly it too was banned.
The other owner, I am pained to note, is a man I once thought to be honorable and who, in the spirit of full disclosure, has done important work on behalf of the truth. But his silent acquiescence to his partner's treachery is nothing short of damning.
Sorry gang, if I sullied the Forum by bringing attention to all this/that.
Peter L - no need whatsoever for an apology.
However, my own view is that there is much of importance to be discussed, and not enough time to discuss it.
I do not want to be diverted into blind alleys.
I do not want to spend time in an aviary full of mockingbirds.
Perhaps that should be Aviary and Mockingbird.
It should, and it is.
I'm with you. 'Nuff said, Jan.
The red-herring barrel is very full and stocked with rotting 'ammo' on 'that' thread 'over there'. Just looked and started to reply, then decided not to......if the viewers there can't see what is going on, it not worth my efforts. Like father, like son - blowing smoke to hide the truth with deception from the People, so the rich and powerful can prevail. He's been well trained, however, in the black arts.
Thanks to all for bringing me up to speed.
I agree that there are only so many hours in the day such that, to have any hope of discovering something of the reality behind the facade that is 'the official narrative' of pretty much anything, focus on hidden and obfuscated facts is required. It is too easy to be distracted by 'flame wars' and the personality issues that stoke them up. That said, it is always interesting and very revealing to note the lengths that well-rewarded shills for 'the official narrative' will go to in the perennial quest to maintain the fa�ade. The antics of the 'financial entertainers' of CNBC et al are another case in point - superbly documented by Patrick Byrne at 'Deep Capture' and taken apart by Jon Stewart in that clip I posted a while back. Another superb case study in the syndrome is the behaviour of the IPCC and Met Polce over the death of Ian Tomlinson (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/09/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson-g20)at the G20 Summit protests in London last week - still developing and probably worthy of a separate thread here too.
4. The uber-ambitious who understand the structures of Power (though birth, elite education etc) and whose single-minded goal is to climb those structures and to hell with any other consideration - the true psychopaths in other words - I count Tony Bliar as a pre-eminent example.
There are clearly a couple of examples of 3 in that other place/thread - but of course they are all over the place because the money/status, whatever is good.
Sigh..... why am I not surprised at this? Anyway, your energies are wasted with pitbulls. Soon there will be just two there. Their mission accomplished. Never mind, soon they will no doubt be busy 'peer' reviewing submissions for their own 'highly respected' 911 journal which I am sure are just flooding in. They can still go and bother the JFK forum looking for thought criminals if they get really bored after you're not there to kick around.
The excellent work by Niels Harrit, Farrer, Jones and Ryan et. al in the recent journal article (Thermitic Material Discovered in WTC Dust) has paved the way for some very good media coverage in Denmark. At around 10:30 pm on Monday April 6, Harrit was interviewed for 10 minutes during the late news program on one of the two most respected Danish television channels (TV2). On Wednesday April 8, Harrit was interviewed for 6 minutes at 8:45 am during a live news and entertainment program on the same channel. In both cases, Harrit, and the claims of the article, were treated with refreshing seriousness and respect.
Can you imagine an interview of this length and seriousness on a British TV newscast? No, nor me.
Frankly I thought the speculative stuff about how explosives might have been placed in the WTC was counter productive to the rest of the interview. There's is a place for such speculation but that wasn't it - IMHO. There may have been subtleties of meaning lost in the sub-titling (ie he MAY have been saying something like "... well the amount of explosive material indicated by our research would requires pallet loads" or something like that). As it came across to people relying on the sub-titles though, it provided easy ammunition for cheap attacks as above - and a means to divert attention from the science.
IMO the time could have been better used to hammer home the FACT of its presence and to INSIST on the need for an official explanation of how the material DID get there, and where it came from, rather than speculating and thus providing the means -yet again- to divert peoples attention from what remains devastating (no pun intended) evidence.
Hmmm.....As I understand Danish, I'll listen again and see if the subtitles were mis-done....and report back. I agree not the place to speculate, but to report the paper, but the TV interviewer may also have led him astray. I'll review and report. In ANY CASE, speculation [if done] by the scientist, while not the best foot forward, takes NOTHING away from the science of the article. The Borg/Mockingbirds pick at whatever they can to debunk.
.... but the TV interviewer may also have led him astray. I've had some experience of Radio and TV interviews myself and it is VERY easy to be led astray. You have to understand that possibility and be well prepared for it.
It's easy to criticise I know but, in Harrit's shoes I like to think I would have said something like: "Well, I'm not prepared to speculate on how it might have got there. All I know is that it DID get there and it could not possibly have been by accident either. This is something that DEMANDS official investigation and explanation.
But I do agree that to have the thing aired so extensively on a prime-time TV channel is something of a breakthrough. Won't hold my breath for a similar airing in the US MSM though.
This problem has plagued the JFK research community since Day One.
Yet the solution is right under our eyes.
We must relentlessly distinguish between the "how?" and "who and why?" questions.
In re JFK and 9-11 (among other issues): By "how?" I mean LN or conspiracy (as opposed to rifle or pistol or poison dart, or nano-thermitic materials or mini-nukes or space beams).
If we so discipline ourselves, the enemy has no opportunity to resort to a "someone would have talked" non sequitur.
Back to the WTC "how?" question: In the case under scrutiny, either the material is there, or it isn't. If it is, then somehow it was brought in.
We're nowhere near being ready to answer the "who and why?" of 9-11 until we establish a definitive answer to the "how?" of it all.
Frankly I thought the speculative stuff about how explosives might have been placed in the WTC was counter productive to the rest of the interview.
My money's on it being palleted in, as Harrit suggested, during the two weeks of heightened security, which ended a few days before the planes hit.
There was a good reason for the phone threats. It's a bit like Dealey Plaza in its clever planning. Nobody's going to question a few pallets while the Towers were swarming with security.
Maybe so. But I still think that speculation plays into the hands of the de-bunkers. Fair enough if, as was the case with the article linked by Peter L a week or so ago (The ceiling tiles etc one), you are addressing the specific de-bunker question of 'how could explosives possibly have been placed' and you frame your hypothesis accordingly, making it clear that it is subordinate to a proper investigation into the ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC FACTS and the multiple glaring discrepancies in the offical narrative.
It is just too easy to be drawn into labyrinthine speculative constructions that at best dissipate precious energy and at worst invite ridicule. Both seem counter-productive to me.
The real point is the science done and presented in the peer-reviewed article - and those that preceeded it and are to follow. The debunkers and Mockingbird assets will always attack something - even if not substantive and make character assassinations and throw out red-herrings. That's there job and raison d'etre. I just listened to the interview again [and a few others he had had prior to the article on Danish TV]. The translation is fine. It would have been best had the interviewer and the interviewee had kept to the published article, but he had been on Danish TV before talking about his hypotheses on how the buildings really might have been brought down, and was again speculating [not trying to wear the 'hat' of the research scientist] when he said he'd have brought them in on pallets. But when you think of it, and it was something in the range between 10-100 tons, how else do you bring it in but on pallets via the service elevators?! It could be unmarked or covered - or look like ceiling tiles or any number of other clever things. It could be at night or during the power-downs, security drills etc. No one would blink at [if they even saw] security-approved workmen moving pallets. It will be interesting now to see if any survivors of the towers remember or have already made statements that can help piece-together the details. The debunkers have a LONG way to go to dispell the extra energy released, the symetrical collapses, the near free-fall speeds, 2 planes but 3 buildings, chemical-signature thermite balls in the dust, unexploded nanothermite in the dust, and much more. Let them yell all they want about their own misdirections. The facts speak for themselves, as they did in Dallas. All we have to do it prove the offical fiction as impossible. Done in both cases. Anything more is icing on the cake, interesting, further evidence against the Big lies of the offical versions and an attempt to understand what did happen. Only a REAL investigation of either will disclose most of the details. We know enough now, if not in denial, to know the official versions were pure bull**** - and very cynical and malevelant bull****, at that.
I don't know. I don't necessarily agree that speculation is a dirty word. Millions of people already know the official story of 9/11 is false.
Who cares about ridicule? Early doubters of the Warren Commission were ridiculed but today its the people who defended it who are looking stupid, or worse.
It isn't that speculation is inherently inappropriate in our work. In point of fact, application of the invaluable resource known as imagination is a critical component in all investigations -- criminal and otherwise.
The point here is simple: Rumsfeld was right.
There are "known knowns" -- and in the JFK case, we know that conspirators killed the president. As I've written and said so often, anyone with reasonable access to the JFK evidence who does not conclude conspiracy is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime.
Yet in countless instances, overwhelming proof of conspiracy is dismissed by application of the "someone would have talked" or "Earl Warren wouldn't lie" sophistries -- among so many others.
As if the "two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead" bromide can heal the posterior head wound of exit!
As if Warren's personal integrity can elevate the T-3 entrance wound!
Accordingly, and again for emphasis, the "how" question must be argumentatively segregated from the "who" and "why" queries if we are to have even the slightest chances to define and effect justice in the wake of the world-historic tragedy in Dallas.
Back to Rummy: In this case there are plenty of "known unknowns" -- things we know that we don't know to the degree of metaphysical certitude. Yet. Examples: the identities of the sponsors, facilitators, and mechanics.
But our knowledge of the "how" of the assassination permits us both to reverse-engineer the event and to apply a process of elimination of suspects, which in turn lead us ever closer to the "who" and, by extension, the "why" answers.
These processes are equally valid for the investigations of 9-11.
Either nano-thermitic material is present in WTC remains, or it isn't.
If it is, then simple logic demands that we acknowledge that it was brought to and applied at the sites.
At that point, having answered the "how" question, we can reverse-engineer the event, eliminate scenarios and suspects, and move ever closer to answering the "who" and "why" questions.
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During the past two weeks I have been poring over archives from the past 8 years to collect my articles for my book, a historiography about 9-11, which has the working title Solving 9-11 and the Price I Had to Pay. This entails culling through some 1,000 articles to decide which are most relevant to what really happened on 9-11.
Evidence of thermite was evident from the first moment. The light-orange explosive cloud to the left is coming from the point of impact. The whitish clouds are indicative of pre-planted thermite explosives in the area targeted for impact.
My book, which will include most of my original investigative articles about 9-11, will be an historiography, i.e. a body of historical literature, documenting the search for the truth. It will be my contribution to the written history of 9-11. After more than 7 years of research and writing, I thought 2009 was the right year to publish my book; recently published research indicates that this will be a crucial year for 9-11 research.
One of the most significant events in the search for the truth of 9-11 was the recent publication of a scientific paper, written by nine scientists, about the discovery of "active thermitic material" found in the dust from the collapsed towers of the World Trade Center. Such an important discovery would be front page news if we lived in a truly democratic society with a free press. Alas.
The paper, written by Dr. Steven E. Jones of Brigham Young University and eight others, follows up on earlier research by Jones of the evidence of thermite in the collapse of the three towers of the World Trade Center. This study is of great importance because it reveals the physical evidence that active thermite, in an extremely explosive "super-thermite" form, was found in large amounts in the dust from the collapsed towers. This positive physical proof of super-thermite is a huge breakthrough; a first in the scientific search for the truth of what happened when the twin towers exploded on the morning of 9-11.
As I wrote after reading the paper, the game is over. If President Obama were truly a man of the people, as he pretends to be, he would address this discovery because this evidence completely disproves the accepted version of events of what happened on 9-11, the pack of lies upon which the "War on Terror" is based. If we had a truly free press in the United States, this discovery would be front page news and the subject of discussion on every news outlet in the nation.
Alas, the discovery of super-thermite in the dust of the WTC is not front-page news because the politicians and the press in the United States are tightly controlled. But the truth cannot be so easily controlled. Americans now live in an uncomfortable conflicted state in which provable scientific evidence tells us that our leaders are complicit in a huge criminal cover-up of the truth of what really happened on 9-11. This is the state I have lived in for more than 7 years.
What happens from this point on depends a great deal on what the people do about the information they now have about what really destroyed the towers on 9-11: The towers were not brought down by the fires caused by the burning fuel of two airliners; they were demolished with pre-planted explosives, including large amounts of an extremely potent form of super-thermite, which had been applied to surfaces of the building in the months prior to 9-11. Osama Bin Laden and his gang of twenty certainly did not spray super-thermite throughout the towers of World Trade Center in the weeks and months before 9-11 � so who did?
For 9-11 truth seekers this is an historic moment. We have crossed the hump. For those involved in the cover-up, on the other hand, things will only get worse. The evidence of super-thermite in the dust of the World Trade Center is like the writing on the wall; for the criminals of 9-11 and their supporters the writing is quite clear. It says: Game Over.
The tons of molten metal seen cascading from the South Tower seconds before it collapsed indicated the use of thermite as did the tiny spheres of iron found in the dust and the molten iron found in the basements of all three collapsed towers. The discovery of active super-thermite in the dust of the collapsed towers, however, is compelling proof that an extremely explosive form of nano-sized thermite was used to demolish and pulverize the towers - and the hundreds of people trapped within them. So who put it in the towers? Osama bin Laden?
"The evidence for active, highly energetic thermitic material in the WTC dust is compelling...All these data suggest that the thermitic material found in the WTC dust is a form of nanothermite, not ordinary (macro-) thermite."
Professor Steven E. Jones of Brigham Young University is already well known for his research and analysis of the evidence of thermite in the destruction of the three demolished towers of the World Trade Center on 9-11. A recently released 25-page scientific paper entitled "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe" (nicely written for the lay reader), presents the physical evidence that an extremely powerful form of super-thermite was used to demolish the twin towers of the World Trade Center on 9-11. Super-thermite is a highly energetic form of thermite (iron oxide and aluminum) in which at least one component is in extremely fine, nanosize particles 100 nm or less, often along with silicon and carbon. Super-thermite is an extremely powerful explosive that releases much more energy per gram than any other conventional explosive used in demoliton.
Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in thin platelike structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nanothermite or super-thermite...Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.
The evidence that Jones and his team examined was in the form of very small particles found in four different samples of WTC dust. In each sample they found small pieces, or chips, that were composed of two layers, a red layer and a gray layer. The gray layer consisted mostly of iron oxide, while the red layer contained iron, oxygen, aluminum, silicon, and carbon -- all the components of super-thermite. The analysis and testing of the red and gray chips revealed that the super-thermite composite ignited at the surprisingly low temperature of 430 degrees Celsius and caused an explosive reaction which resulted in iron spheroids, exactly like thermite. This is to say that the heat-producing explosive reaction created temperatures hotter than 1400 degrees Celsius, the melting point of iron.
Two of the four chips tested released more energy by mass (kJ/g) than HMX, TNT, TATB explosives and normal thermite. These two chips released between 50 to nearly 100 percent more energy that the four conventional explosives. One of the chips released twice as much energy per gram (more than 10 Watts/g) than Xerogel, a similar super-thermite nanocomposite. The WTC chip released twice as much energy as the Xerogel and ignited at only 430 degrees C. rather than 530 degrees C. for the Xerogel. This indicates that the super-thermite found in the World Trade Center dust was an extremely powerful form of super-thermite.
Super-thermite, which has been fabricated at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and other places, can be sprayed or even �painted� onto surfaces, effectively forming an energetic or even explosive paint, the study pointed out. �The sol-gel process is very amenable to dip-, spin-, and spray-coating technologies to coat surfaces," scientists from Lawrence Livermore wrote in a 2002 paper entitled "Energetic nanocomposites with sol-gel chemistry: Synthesis, safety, and characterization."
"The red chips we found in the WTC dust conform to their description of 'thin films' of 'hybrid inorganic/organic energetic nanocomposite'," the Jones paper says. "Indeed, the descriptive terms 'energetic coating' and 'nice adherent film' fit very well with our observations of the red-chips which survived the WTC destruction."
It is now evident that a super-thermite solution had been applied to large sections of the World Trade Center, including walls, floor sections, and structural beams and columns in the core section. It may have been applied as a thin spray coating applied under the guise of fire-proofing, asbestos abatement, or some other form of building maintenance. Super-thermite is safe to handle and only becomes dangerous when it is dry. Several years ago, I contacted Burton Fried, president of LVI, a demoliton company that reportedly had done extensive "asbestos abatement" work in the twin towers. I considered LVI's work in the twin towers as suspicious because the company is primarily known for preparing structures for demolition and works closely with Controlled Demolition Inc. on large demolition projects. Is this the kind of work LVI did at the World Trade Center? Although Mr. Fried denied having done the work, it had been reported in a reputable engineering magazine that LVI had done extensive "asbestos abatement" work in the towers and the journalist who wrote the piece confirmed that the source of this information had been Fried himself. Freid's reaction, "I didn't do it," only increased my suspicions.
The published documentation of evidence of super-thermite in the dust of the World Trade Center has taken the 9-11 truth movement to a new level. If Osama Bin Laden and his Al Qaida boys did not spray super-thermite in the twin towers, who did?
Now that we know that super-thermite was used to demolish and pulverize the twin towers, we need to find out who applied the film of super explosive to surfaces and parts of the buildings. This certainly must have been a task that involved a team of men working for weeks, if not months, and their work must have been observed by other personnel involved in maintaining the buildings.
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There is an interesting side benefit to this. Those, like the Brazil Nut and others who said the Journal didn't have a valid status like the 'top' paper Chemical Journals will see this person worked at one of the premier chemical institutes in the world - the Pierre & Marie Curie Institute and University.
Is there a link here Peter? I can't get it to work but it changes colour when I mouse over it. Maybe I have banned my IP?
Thanks Peter! That works for me.