It's important we take control of the definition of faith because when the believer uses faith, they use it the same way we would use hope or trust. This is not what faith it, faith is a knowledge claims. During discussions, words like evidence, logic and reason are thrown around without regard to the context of these facts. For most believers, facts cannot outweigh faith. Now we can get into a fact throwing war but this will do little in disabusing a believer of their faith because at the end of the day, it's faith that drives them.