000 we only have four. How do I solve this problem? It's not easily resolvable then where essentially this whole idea of mutual value creation negotiation and discussion has to come in rooted in scientific facts. That's basically where I think you can think of really how to get around this mess because otherwise it becomes such a complex problem that nothing can be done. So are you saying that when you face a complex problem, try to only work on part of it? No. What I would say that the approach should be problem driven, meaning that you have to define a particular problem that you want to solve. So here I have defined the problem and that I want to resolve the dry season flow in the Ganges. That is my problem. Right, but isn't that really a part of the larger problem of managing the Ganges? It is. It is no question about it. No question about it. And I don't think there is any way to disentangle this. Can you take it all separately? No, you cannot. So then what do you do? So at one extreme then you can think of really that everything is interconnected with everything else. If that is the case, then you are in a mass. That mess simply cannot be untangled. And you can argue that no, no, you are essentially being reductionist because you are trying to reduce the problem to something that is simpler. To some extent, yes. But what we want to be careful really when I'm defining the problem for the dry season