[duodenalswitch] Digest Number 13720 Duodenal Switch obesity surgery support       Duodenal Switch obesity surgery support     Messages In This Digest      (8                Messages)            1a.   Re: DS question..... - drinking while eating   From:        Susan Potter   1b.   Re: DS question..... - drinking while eating   From:        Gerald Koll   1c.   Re: DS question..... - drinking while eating   From:        Norine   2a.   Re: the latest update on Scott   From:        KEVIN DAVY   3.   Nutritional information from studies for trainer   From:        qkhuyqbvlms@bellsouth.net   4a.   Re: Tax Questions out of the country   From:        Ginger   5a.   Re: DS question.....   From:        Lori Bee   6a.   Re: OT going baking crazy!   From:        Lori Bee   View All Topics | Create New Topic            Messages        1a.            Re: DS question..... - drinking while eating       Posted by:      "Susan Potter"             fdfgxzbnbwj19@yahoo.com                     Â                     spottergirl41                 Thu FebÂ 14,Â 2008 2:40Â pm        (PST)                 Hi there,  Regarding drinkiing during meals, i was also told not to drink during meals because it would cause that "stopped up sink" feeling and there would not be enough room in my stomack for eating and drinking.  I have found this to be partly true. I am 6 months out and was not able to drink with meals for a while.  Now, I can drink a little during meals, very small sips to help wash the food down, but if I try to drink too much, I do get that very full, "backed up" feeling. I have found a few little sips work well during the meal, and then I can usually drink my 8 ounces or so after the meal has finished.  If I go slowly, I am usually fine, but it does take a while to get the food and drink down....but it is possible if you just go slowly. Good luck! Susan ----- Original Message ---- From: Ceri Fay  To: duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:20:35 AM Subject: RE: [duodenalswitch] DS question..... Recent Activity  12New Members Visit Your Group  Yahoo! Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Yahoo! Group to share and learn. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more..  __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals?   Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]           Back to top                       Reply to sender  |                        Reply to group  |                        Reply via web post               Messages in this topic             (3)                     1b.            Re: DS question..... - drinking while eating       Posted by:      "Gerald Koll"             ozufc8@yahoo.com                     Â                     gkoll1                 Thu FebÂ 14,Â 2008 4:31Â pm        (PST)                 Hey Susan,    Just after surgery, drinking does take valuable room in a tiny tummy.  After several months, some of us have challenged the boundaries and eat more than we need and then the water would do good.  or a little juice or whatever, to eat what we would think is normal.  Like now, I know that I am a VG.  But if I dring water, I can eat just a few bites.  If I don't drink water, I can eat almost 2X as much.  Now how does that work for me you ask.  I take or have some water with near every meal.  I find that I have trained myself to throw those last couple bites away.  You should see how I eat a hot dog, or a taco.  Goes well when I don't drink, Tastes just as good, but  not near as much when I drink.  Drinking water with my meals helps me feel full faster, and then I still don't eat for the next two hours which is working really well.  \\\\   So how does that work DS?  Well, Patti does exactly the same thing, except!! That she can and has always been able to eat more relative to our surgeries.  She is DS and her tummy is larger capacity than mine.  I plan on keeping it that way.  Unfortunatley for her, she gets hungry and I really don't even after two years.  I am so lucky!!!   Thanks for listening.   Olaff Susan Potter  wrote:           Hi there,  Regarding drinkiing during meals, i was also told not to drink during meals because it would cause that "stopped up sink" feeling and there would not be enough room in my stomack for eating and drinking. I have found this to be partly true. I am 6 months out and was not able to drink with meals for a while. Now, I can drink a little during meals, very small sips to help wash the food down, but if I try to drink too much, I do get that very full, "backed up" feeling. I have found a few little sips work well during the meal, and then I can usually drink my 8 ounces or so after the meal has finished. If I go slowly, I am usually fine, but it does take a while to get the food and drink down....but it is possible if you just go slowly. Good luck! Susan ----- Original Message ---- From: Ceri Fay  To: duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:20:35 AM Subject: RE: [duodenalswitch] DS question..... 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Re: DS question..... - drinking while eating       Posted by:      "Norine"             ezgbtqs@atlanticbb.net                     Â                     amanarmar                 Thu FebÂ 14,Â 2008 5:13Â pm        (PST)                 Olaff Having had the full DS, I can honestly say, Iï¿½m conditioned to throw away the last couple of bites, too! Twice (both before the one-year mark), I overate, and paid the price in terms of that extra food not having anywhere to go but up!! Now, when Iï¿½m full, Iï¿½m done! Even if there are only two bites of food left on my plate! Norine -----Original Message----- From: duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Koll Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:31 PM To: duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [duodenalswitch] DS question..... - drinking while eating Hey Susan,  Just after surgery, drinking does take valuable room in a tiny tummy. After several months, some of us have challenged the boundaries and eat more than we need and then the water would do good. or a little juice or whatever, to eat what we would think is normal. Like now, I know that I am a VG. But if I dring water, I can eat just a few bites. If I don't drink water, I can eat almost 2X as much. Now how does that work for me you ask. I take or have some water with near every meal. I find that I have trained myself to throw those last couple bites away. You should see how I eat a hot dog, or a taco. Goes well when I don't drink, Tastes just as good, but not near as much when I drink. Drinking water with my meals helps me feel full faster, and then I still don't eat for the next two hours which is working really well. \\\\ So how does that work DS? Well, Patti does exactly the same thing, except!! That she can and has always been able to eat more relative to our surgeries. She is DS and her tummy is larger capacity than mine. I plan on keeping it that way. Unfortunatley for her, she gets hungry and I really don't even after two years. I am so lucky!!! Thanks for listening. Olaff No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.  Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]           Back to top                       Reply to sender  |                        Reply to group  |                        Reply via web post               Messages in this topic             (3)                     2a.            Re: the latest update on Scott       Posted by:      "KEVIN DAVY"             lemldrwwek@yahoo.com                     Â                     kevinidavy                 Thu FebÂ 14,Â 2008 3:59Â pm        (PST)                 I finally knew what musical geniuses like Marvin Gaye and Prince felt constantly- I was really abstract for about six months. Thankfully, most of your original personality returns- though I am not so sure that it is so good for me! Jim Yuhas  wrote:          Hi: Just a couple of comments from my similar experience 5 years ago. My vision changed drastically after a week in the ICU when they had  trouble controlling fluids. I wasn't blind but after I finally got  on the floor I noticed I had trouble recognizing faces and I  couldn't watch the TV. It really scared me. And it was a permanent  change that was eventually corrected with new glasses. They think  the fluid pressure changed the shape of my eyeballs. My vision  actually improved and my glasses were too strong. Scott's "nightmare" about the room being on fire may be related to  the pain medications he is on. I was convinced one night in ICU  that people were in my room painting it. I called for the nurse and  insisted that I be moved to another room because mine had been  contaminated by the painters. They finally convinced me no one had  been in my room but the nurses. I have heard of other people  having "out of body experiences" while on pain medications--my wife  for one. I think it will get better when he is off the meds.  Please pass this on to Scott and I wish he the best.  Jim Hood River, OR --- In duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com, "classsi_fied"   wrote: > > Kristen posted this earlier this morning.....ahd includes the  address  > of the hospital in case anyone wants to send a card.........please  no  > phone calls tho........it is just too hectic and stressful still: >  > _____________________________________ >  > You won't believe the irony of this but Scott has a blood clot in  his > left leg. The last 5 days have been all about trying to get his  blood > to actually stick together now this. They are testing him for blood > clotting factor and later this morning they will be inserting a > filter to keep any clots in his legs from travelling up to his  vital > organs. >  > His overall condition is about the same but his blood work is  looking > a little better and they are starting to reduce the pressure on the > ventilator to wean him back to breathing on his own. In doing this > they have to reduce his sedation and when that occurs he just wants > to write and write notes asking questions so he can figure out what > is going on. >  > His vision has been somewhat cloudy and last night we had an > opthamalgist look as his eyes to make sure he did not have any > ulceration, detachment, cornal abrasions, etc... He did not find > anything and believes that it is most likely the medication and > general dryness from being on the ventilator. For those of you who > emember that we had a house fire in 2002 this has caused a bit of > post tramatic stress disorder for Scott as twice now he has been > awakened by the sound of the monitor alarms and due to his vision > issue the room looked like it was filled with smoke. He believes  the > room is on fire and it takes several minutes to convince him that  it > is not. They are going to have someone skilled in this type of  thing > come talk to us and provide guideance on how to we can handle these > incidents. >  > I'm really hoping today will be the turning point and things will > really start looking up from here. For everyone looking to send > Scott cards the address here is >  > Scott Jones >  > Surgical ICU - D226 >  > C/O Tampa General Hospital >  > 2 Columbia Drive >  > Tampa, Fl. 33606 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]           Back to top                       Reply to sender  |                        Reply to group  |                        Reply via web post               Messages in this topic             (4)                     3.            Nutritional information from studies for trainer       Posted by:      "qkhuyqbvlms@bellsouth.net"             qkhuyqbvlms@bellsouth.net                     Â                     wendicite                 Thu FebÂ 14,Â 2008 8:24Â pm        (PST)                 Ok.  I've been doing a lot of weight lifting and working with a trainer.  He would like to tweak my diet but doesn't understand the ins and outs of the DS.  He'd like a study or report he can read about the nutritional malabsorption aspects of the DS.  We talk about how we malabsorb 80% of fat and 50% of protein and 20% of complex carbs.  Can anyone point me to a study or report where this is spelled out?  Conventional wisdom aside, I'd like something written! Thanks. W           Back to top                       Reply to sender  |                        Reply to group  |                        Reply via web post               Messages in this topic             (1)                     4a.            Re: Tax Questions out of the country       Posted by:      "Ginger"             xqnrelck_a_epphub@yahoo.com                     Â                     dolphins_n_shells                 Thu FebÂ 14,Â 2008 9:32Â pm        (PST)                 Hey Jenmy .. yes claim it all . To convert your reis you need to  know what the exchange rate was when you were there...Like when I  was there for Dr Kuster is 1.90 US for 2.05 Reais.. so do the math  for each receipt ..or there is a currency convertonline too... let  me find it.  Go here :  http://www.xe.com/ucc/ There is a file on the IRS site that tells of medical deductions here:  http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc502.html HTH  Ginger <><  --- In duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com, "chrisnjen210"   wrote: > > I Went to Brazil for my DS... >  > A few questions for any who might know... >  > 1).  Can you claim the Hotel on your taxes? >  > 2).  Can you claim the flight?  >  > 3).  Do you also claim your health insurance premiums paid through  the  > year? >  > 4).  How do you convert Reis to Dollar amount? >  > Thanks in advance for any help! > Jenny >           Back to top                       Reply to sender  |                        Reply to group  |                        Reply via web post               Messages in this topic             (5)                     5a.            Re: DS question.....       Posted by:      "Lori Bee"             ktsa.quzu@yahoo.com                     Â                     lori.back                 Fri FebÂ 15,Â 2008 12:33Â am        (PST)                 I also had the full DS open and have had a completely different experience. I know for a fact that my food is being flushed through when I drink while eating. One of the reasons I know this, is that I have a VERY large hernia and My digestive system sounds like it is being played on surround sound... I am not kidding... I also feel it on the surface of my stomach while it is occurring ...very weird I know, but just ask my fiancee...It is so entertaining for him...and I mean everyone can hear it...While drinking with my food there is a few second delay but it is definitely moving, and I can eat just as much as I want if I keep that up...I just generally make my self stop....this has also slowed my wL considerably I have pretty much been the same weight for the past 6 mos. i do not advise anyone to get in the habit of drinking while eating. It does stretch your sleeve over time and cause it to stretch and enlarge in capacity. My experience. Lori Norine  wrote:  My dearest Ceri, all I can address is my own experience. With the RNY, the pyloric valve is removed. The pyloric valve regulates the speed at which food moves *out* of the stomach, into the digestive tract. With the RNY, drinking with your meals does indeed flush the food through faster (think about pouring leftover food into your garbage disposal and then rinsing it down with running water), but with the DS, the pyloric valve remains intact, so water (or other liquids) will *not* force the food through any faster. Now, *some* DSers find, especially in the first few months, that if they drink with their meals, it fills their new, tiny tummies up too fast. This only happens to me if I try to drink carbonated beverages with my meals. For others, like me, the tummy doesnï¿½t seem to register liquids as ï¿½volumeï¿½. Liquids do not fill me up. Even in the early days, when I was full after two bites, I could drink. Oh, I couldnï¿½t ï¿½gulpï¿½ at first, I had to sip, sip, sip. But now, itï¿½s nothing for me to drink a 12oz can of Diet Iced Tea with my (typically 6oz) dinner. If I forego the tea (or other beverage), I donï¿½t get full any more quickly or slowly. If you find that liquids fill you up too much, then until your tummy stretches some (which it is designed to do-donï¿½t panic!!), you may have to forego beverages for a half-hour before and after meals. But when your tummy stretches out (by one year post-op), you should be very well able to drink with your meals. RNYers cannot do this, because it will stretch their pouches. DSers do not have ï¿½pouchesï¿½, we have stomachs, albeit much smaller ones than we had pre-op. One of the primary reasons I chose the DS over the RNY is I have chronic kidney stones and infections (Iï¿½ve had probably three dozen kidney stone attacks since my first one, at age 15, when I was sure I was dying; I couldnï¿½t imagine anything could hurt that badly and *not* kill you!). Because of my chronic kidney issues, I need to drink *constantly*. With meals, before meals, after meals, I even keep a drink on my night stand and drink in the middle of the night when I get up to use the bathroom!! My surgeon primarily does RNY, too, and gives me the same advice on eating he gives his RNY patients: high protein, low-fat. Well, obviously I need high protein (I type as I sit here downing a bowl of ï¿½Cottage Cheese Whipï¿½, recipe available on request), but a high-fat diet actually seems to aid my weight loss, as well as keeping my bowels from getting bound up. Surgeons like to approach the human body as if it were a predictable machine. But it isnï¿½t. Anyoneï¿½s mileage may vary. Best of luck! Norine -----Original Message----- From: duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ceri Fay Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:21 AM To: duodenalswitch@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [duodenalswitch] DS question..... Hi Norine~ I was told by my surgeon Dr Stewart (who does mainly RNY) that I would not be able to drink with meals because it would flush the food in my stomach right out and I would be able to eat more and that's not good. I would not get that "Full feeling" to get me to stop eating. But your saying you can? UG!  Ceri HYPERLINK "http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=127078/grpspId=1705061903/ms gId=273792/stime=1203012329/nc1=5191950/nc2=5191951/nc3=4025321" No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.  Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]           Back to top                       Reply to sender  |                        Reply to group  |                        Reply via web post               Messages in this topic             (15)                     6a.            Re: OT going baking crazy!       Posted by:      "Lori Bee"             ktsa.quzu@yahoo.com                     Â                     lori.back                 Fri FebÂ 15,Â 2008 12:55Â am        (PST)                 it is a shame that this cannot be a standardized answer. we are all so unique. i lived on V-8 juices for months after surgery...immediately...and didn't eat too much at all...those and yogurt smoothies. Lori "Jackie S."  wrote:          I think that it's a situation where carbs cause gas and high fat diets give you the runs. Also, in the initial weight loss phase (~18 mos.) post surgery, you want to optimize your weight loss by eating lean. On top of that, there are just times where you get to the point that you just gotta have carbs and low carbs is better than no carbs.  This is my own opinion of course. Personally, I am over four years out and pretty much eat whatever I want, but when I do go with simple carbs (anything white) or high fat meats, I pay for it in the "end." Nudge, Nudge, Wink, Wink. There's just sometimes where you might be willing to eat something that your body doesn't appreciate and that is something that you will learn through trial and error post surgery.  Don't worry. Just keep in mind that you will be healing just after surgery and you will want to focus on high protein but easy to eat foods like yogurt, cottage cheese, scrambled or hard boiled eggs (how many people out there got sick of eggs right after surgery like me?) and other things like that. I found that I couldn't consume high acid foods like orange juice or tomatoes for awhile, they came right back up. Your body will guide you.  Enjoy the journey, Jackie Ceri Fay  wrote: Hi~ I've not had my surge yet (2 weeks from today) and everyone is talking about low fat & no carbs. Are we not sposta eat fat and carbs? I know a lot of people have issues with carbs but I'm just curious. Thanks! Ceri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]           Back to top                       Reply to sender  |                        Reply to group  |                        Reply via web post               Messages in this topic             (16)                        Recent Activity Â 14     New Members         Visit Your Group       Meditation and Lovingkindness A Yahoo! Group to share and learn.  Yahoo! Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer.  Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder.  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