ipa vs americanist symbols last drawn reply debate ipa versus americanist traditions phonetic transcription frankly somewhat surprised tone original submission suggesting ipa refusal use hachek wedge symbols palatoalveolars example racism anti americanism antislavicism doubt anti diacriticism learn ipa antidemocratic conspiracy need new campaign led american organisations make phonetic transcription afe democracy apple pie american way couple points need made regard think first true ipa used north america maybe euro centrism phonology dialectology centrism clinical phoneticians speech pathologists north american nearly always use ipa yes long esses zees jods cardinal vowel system indeed departments linguistics phonetics operate within ipa tradition e g university victoria bc hand virtually phonologists side atlantic use socalled americanist symbols divide therefore portrayed phonologists tend use one set symbols phoneticians another really problem often concerned different levels description anyway even phoneticians agree also problem raising fears racial discrimination undemocratic conspiracies really justified relatively trivial distinctions symbols anyone trained area knows anyway second point concerns debate symbols noted difference certain symbols surely fundamentally important one would like speak defence ipa nonhachek versions leaving aside fact symbols long history feel unit symbol preferably composite one unlike original posting always seemed obvious hachek symbols z etc plus diacritic granted ipa always consistent point unitary symbol approach avoids confusions nature distinction one may counter students feelings really type reinforced spelling nt help symbol looks also like ort might also look difference j versus palatal approximant surface looks fine spelling familiar surely anglocentric line slavic germanic etc usage however choice leaves us problem high front rounded vowel cant use must resort u diacritic however also commonly used many traditions stand centralized transcription also suggests u variety u variety etc use independent symbols leaves open relationship liprounding tongue position iaresis versions however phonetic transcription develops future let avoid throwing around accusations users bodies utopian schemes universal orthodoxy area surely unneccessary unsound realistic ipa users wherever based unlikely surrender century worth patterns usage non ipa users equally keen keep symbolizations let learn live spend instead time refining transcription systems e g transcription atypical speech found speech pathology clinics perhaps vive la difference motto aspire martin j ball university ulster