guido van rossum hoaufpythonorg im worried mass renaming would anything inconvenience users already stressful 23 transition im favor original proposal reducing redundancy post30 youre looking useful features google set extensions unittestpy find useful modulelevel setup teardown routines comparing large lists strings produce useful output indicating exactly inputs differ assertless etc assertsameelements sort like assertsetx sety guido thu apr 17 2008 649 michael foord wrote hello im starting put together list cleanups documentation changes unittest module thought someone already done issue comments could find 2578 doesnt go much detail httpbugspythonorgissue2578 thing people would like test discovery probably requires discussion anything added unittest would like pep8ify method names widening api rather shrinking assert_true assert_false assert_equals assert_not_equals assert_raises set_up tear_down failure_exception class attribute testsuiteadd_test etc documenting preferred assertequals failunlessequals etc assert statement used instead assert_ adding following new asserts assert_in member container msgnone assert_not_in member container msgnone assert_is first second msgnone assert_not_is first second msgnone assert_raises_with_message exc_class message callable args keywargs decorator turn test function testcase as_test_case simple runtests function takes collection modules test suites test cases runs texttestrunner passing keyword arguments test runner makes running test suite easier collected test cases together pass function long happy default runner possibly allowing alternative runner class provided keyword argument would provide implementation discussion course would also like make error messages assert_equals assert_not_equals useful showing objects compare incorrectly even explicit message passed additionally comparing lists tuples length show members indices different ive copied steve purcell email comments issue 2578 indicate happy us make changes longer string sense ownership module michael foord _______________________________________________ pythondev mailing list zvlllneumpythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfopythondev unsubscribe httpmailpythonorgmailmanoptionspythondevguido40pythonorg guido van rossum home page httpwwwpythonorgguido _______________________________________________ pythondev mailing list zvlllneumpythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfopythondev unsubscribe httpmailpythonorgmailmanoptionspythondevpythondev40tangomucom thu 07 aug 2008 123225 0700 pythondev proposed unittest changes