bart schaefer schaeferzanshincom 28 aug 2002 daniel quinlan wrote dan kohn writes daniel easy enough change habeas scores installation habeas fails live promise license warrant mark nonspammers place violators hil doubt justin craig quickly remove us next release youre trying kill habeas chance show promise think ive worked sa enough understand localize score im comfortable using spamassassin vehicle drumming business expense user base agree habeas going die sa support thats serious problem business model nobodys problem habeass possible solution habeass business model include kind incentive users sa give benefit doubt yet think incentive fits bill thu 29 aug 2002 justin mason wrote dont see problem supporting spamassassin see dans points high score far see thats spamassassin assigning high scores legit newsletters days habeas mark bring imo fix highscorers anyway spam ever needs score 5 scoring system 5 tagged anyway topic rest discussion amavisd incarnations mimedefang several mta plugins reject smtp time messages scores higher threshold often 10 new release start scoring spam higher 51 thered better _zero_ fps filters would drop thresholds 5 thu 29 aug 2002 michael moncur wrote agree needs focus eliminating rules frequently hit newsletters newsletters actually use habeas mark one way help newsletters wont use mark habeas priced way high factor least 20 market bear imo permessage basis typical mailing lists lockergnome say afford thu 29 aug 2002 harold hallikainen wrote habeus come clever way use existing law battle spam seems point could drop licensing fee 1 less make income suing spammers copyright infringement sorry cant work habeas mark actually becomes widespread enough nonspam effectivelyenforced enough absent spam eg sa could assign positive score messages spammers business habeas one sue theres nobody left charge except people want forced mail wont get otherwise use mark conversely enough spammers forging mark habeas make income suing mark useless purpose designed either way seems maybe couple lawsuits real spammers lot ceaseanddesist letters clueless mompops either theyre business b sell rights use mark increasingly questionable senders c theyve created monopolized market internet postage stamps everybody pay latter would quite coup could pull absolutely nothing useful unless consider threatening people lawsuits useful yet still collect fee either directly indirectly everyone internet effectively well paying privilege policing trademark dont believe theyll ever get far dont particularly want help make use term loosely whole company could consist one lawyer really got point sfnet email sponsored bythinkgeek welcome geek heaven httpthinkgeekcomsf _______________________________________________ spamassassintalk mailing list spamassassintalklistssourceforgenet httpslistssourceforgenetlistslistinfospamassassintalk thu 29 aug 2002 083208 0700 pdt satalk ot habeus