Viaje a Egipto I
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Un viaje que estará rodeado de Pirámides, Sarcófagos y Mitos del Mundo Antiguo. Conoceremos el significado de la inmortalidad a través de un paseo por el Nilo. Tendremos nuestras primeras impresiones de acercarnos a los vestigios históricos de una sociedad que tiene línea directa con acontecimientos sucedidos miles años atrás. Y como todo episodio de viajes tiene algo particular; este relato se construye unos meses después del estallido de la “Primavera Árabe” y los acontecimientos en la Plaza Tahrir en 2011. 

Notas del episodio 

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Mapa de Egipto 
→https://espanol.mapsofworld.com/continentes/africa/mapa-de-egipto.html
La ciudad del Cairo
→ https://www.mochileandoporelmundo.com/cosas-que-ver-y-hacer-en-el-cairo/
Howard Carter y la tumba de Tutankamón
→https://www.abc.es/cultura/abci-apasionante-relato-howard-carter-hallazgo-tumba-tutankamon-201511032118_noticia.html?ref=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
De jeroglíficos y la Piedra Rosetta 
→https://www.lavanguardia.com/historiayvida/historia-contemporanea/20170317/47311151698/la-piedra-de-rosetta-la-carrera-por-descifrar-los-jeroglificos.html
David Roberts y su visión sobre Egipto
→ https://descubrirlahistoria.es/2019/10/un-viaje-por-david-roberts/
La Primavera Árabe y el espíritu de la Plaza Tahrir
→ https://www.france24.com/es/20171219-egipto-revolucion-plaza-tahrir

Libros y Películas 
El cuarteto de Alejandría – Lawrence Durrell
→ https://cafedelasciudades.com.ar/cultura_16.htm
Rosa Púrpura del Cairo «Película» Woody Allen
→ https://lavozenoff.net/2013/11/13/critica-la-rosa-purpura-de-el-cairo-1985/

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 We are going to make a trip. We started one of the most imagined trips and dreamed that everyone has ever had in their fantasy, an Egyptian trip. Well, let's say one does a little trip and does not make a trip, then he is left with the feeling of how it is to go there. So, well, the imaginary of the trip to Egypt is all you want. I have made two trips to Egypt and on the second trip I had an unexpected phenomenon in history. A month after the Arab Spring Revolution in Cairo. Therefore I found a completely different Egypt than the one I saw the first time. The thing with trips is that you return to the places and the places are not the same. So they are eternal and immortal, as in the case of the Egyptians. So, of course, one goes to Egypt and one has all the movies in the world, all the stories of the world, one has the story of Howard Carter and the discovery of Tutankhamun and one of my favorite movies that I always loved, Burial in the Purple Rose of Cairo, which is an absolutely wonderful story that deconstructs the mythic piece between reality and the screen and the celluloid, because she goes so many times to see a movie that the actor ends up falling in love with her and gets off the screen. And in the movie they alternate between Cairo and New York, that's why it's called the Purple Rose of Cairo. That was also another of the things that caught my attention, the impressive mythology, the great gods that always accompany you, he is sticky, that is, when you get in there, you last a long time with them inside you because they are ancient, archaic. They said in the stories that the Egyptians were ancient even for the ancients, that at the time Cleopatra took Julius Caesar to see the pyramids and the Romans were in the splendid moment of their empire, the Egyptians were already 2000 years old. That is, the Egyptians were already in antiquity before antiquity was invented. It is also a very curious thing because when all the excavations that we have on the ancient empire, the oldest of all, and there the Egyptian culture is completely cooked, that is, there they are already with all their gods, with all their plant, with all their idea of ​​immortality and one does not imagine at what time and at what point of the invisible they cooked all that civilization so that when we started to see their traces and their monuments were ready, in what part of the infinite was a wisdom cooked as powerful as the one they have. The first time I went I had the feeling that they pretended to be immortal and there they are and we in a world of technological obsolescence will disappear without leaving a greater trace than a large amount of garbage if we do not put ourselves in the batteries and they will remain. In other words, everything can be destroyed and they will remain, they are still there. They have survived the most impressive looting, the largest colonial predation, all the tomb raiders, all the empires that wanted to covet their magnificence, there they are. They lasted 27 centuries. They believed in immortality because immortality for them was in fact a reality. One when it lasts 27 centuries if you can believe in immortality. So we are going to find an uncommon Egypt and despite what I tell you, despite all the looting that has happened and despite the fact that they have been taken obelisks, despite the fact that they were taken the Rosetta stone, despite the fact that their obelisks are in Paris and the Rosetta stone in the British Museum, despite the fact that Nefertiti is in the museum in Berlin, despite all that, they are still monumental and there are whole cities, whole, that is, he is integral there. You are going to Karnak, then we will go to Luxor and Karnak and Edfu and Komumbo and we will see that cruise through the Nile until we reach the cloud lands and start telling these stories so impressive and so mythical of the Nile and the history of the birth of the Nile that when the Romans wanted to say that someone was looking for an impossible one, they said they are looking for the birth of the Nile, we will tell the stories of the mountains of the moon and how the birth of the Nile some said that it was in the mountains of the moon, they said Erodototos, they said it was in the river Cajera, others that were in Lake Victoria, then we will see that everyone was right in their own way, because it was born from all these sources at the same time, but the history of the birth of the Nile is one of the most fascinating, incredible and mythical stories. So, all this impressive civilization that is going to take us to the depths because one faces immortality to the truly transcendental to what remains after everything to that idea of death so wonderful that they have that is a reproduction of the best moments of life to that playful story with death because when one sees the tombs in the valley of the kings in the tombs there are games there are songs that is, that was a cool patch, there would have to be a difficult trip to the underworld but once they arrived later they would find immortality that is why the importance of conserving the mummification of the bodies because there were two, Va and Ka, the soul and the body, that makes a trip of 250 days and after that tremendous trip they return and meet and possess the body from where they had previously left mummified, that is, without the organs that were decomposed or that the jackals ate through an extremely complex procedure because it was taken out through the nose through the holes, the corpses were not opened but they were taken out through the holes and when they were taken out through the holes they were put in cenotapios and when they were put in cenotapios they were left there to start the trip there is a tomb near the lighthouse of Alexandria and there is a blind lighthouse, a lighthouse that has no lights, no windows, no glass, they say it was a lighthouse to illuminate the souls when they returned to the mummified bodies so that they could find the way. of the world travels to Egypt is the matrix of civilizations the center of all looks and it is all that is all that impressive antiquity that we are going to travel on the ship that we are going to have the sunsets that we are going to go to these temples like this of fila it was like a boyout we are also going to go to a simbel and describe the engineering claw that He moved the temple 200 meters up the mountain to flood the lake of Aswan. We will see all the antiquity of Egypt, but Egypt is so old that it has gone through everything. Then there was a stage of the Ptolemies, which was one of the most important moments of the Greek era. We will see how they will meet the Ptolemies and they will be part of the Ptolemies. And then they will be part of the empire of Alexander and there will be the most beautiful city. Well, a wonderful, mythical, imagined city, Alexandria. And we are going to talk about the Alexandria Quartet because in the introduction of the Alexandria Quartet, Lawrence Duryear clarifies that everything that happens in the novel, in the story, and everything that happens with its protagonists is never an individual responsibility of its protagonists. It is the city that uses the souls to express itself through them and it is going to put them in all those complex narrations because the Alexandria Quartet is a story, one, told by four characters, told by Justine, by Baltazar, by Montoliv and by Clea. And then each one of them is going to tell a very different story, but she clarifies to us, Duryear, that despite the endearing, real, palpable, profound, tremendous that the characters are, in reality the character is Alexandria. It is she who is being narrated. It is like the city's granola. We will also talk about the prophet Cadaphs, who will appear at some point of these, but that is a mythical part of here. That is why Christianity will arrive and that Christianity that will arrive there is a very original Christianity, very primitive, and there we will see the Virgin and we will see the Coptic world. The Coptic world is very interesting and very important within the formation of the culture and politics of Egypt. And then Islam will arrive. Then we will meet the mosques. We will meet some very strange things. One can get into a gigantic mosque in the citadel and find the tomb of the Chahdiran. And one says, but what is this man doing here in a green marble tomb? Well, they ended up giving his corpse there to Morada after having traveled the world at the end of the Islamic revolution. We are going to meet Saladin. We are going to meet a great number of wonders that happen to one when he is in Egypt. So, because when one arrives in Egypt, the first thing he does is open up to fascination, open up to the possibility of meeting the oldest, to meet Alpha Juni, to meet the valleys of those wonderful perfumes where the jasmines are, which is where the essences of the perfumes of the land of Egypt are produced. Smell, smell all these wonders. And you see those images, also, when one leaves the Cairo Museum, sees the people and the people are exactly the same as those in the museum. The dogs are the same as those in the museum and the birds are the same as those in the museum. So, that which is so exotic, so unparalleled, so incredible is the people as they are there. They have a feature that is one of the fingers of the feet that is longer than the others. That is painted in the hieroglyphics and it is painted, and it is painted by the boatmen that take it to one. In other words, one feels the survival of the eternity of the Egyptians. And this for the Latin Americans is still something of the other world because we have a very strong cut in our past that makes us not have a clear thread. That is more serious in one case than in another. In other words, Mexicans and Peruvians have it clearer. But we are in the construction of that world that unites us to the world we were. So, we still have a lot to rebuild in our memory to be able to find the original worlds and the worlds of which we were empire after. These people do not. These people know that they have 28 generations back. They know where they come from. They have a charm that is the one that people from very ancient civilizations have. We had talked about it when we were talking about the Persians in Iran, in the Silk Road, because they are known to be ancient. They have the legacy of millennia and that gives them an exquisite refinement, a wonderful particularity that is expressed with all spontaneity, but that does not stop keeping the mystery of the millennia of those who have crossed the world for so many generations. So, well, arriving in Egypt is, how can I tell you, it is the fascination, it is the wonder. So, we went twice, we have been twice, to Egypt you always have to return, but it turns out that the second time, which is the chapter that I am going to tell you here today, because we are going to do several chapters on that, because one cannot spend in a civilization of that one single story, because there are many and there are more, right? But it turns out that there is a very particular thing. The first time we lived all that fascination and all that wonder, the first time we left, at that time, from Caracas. I always arrived before the group and then the guide told me that the group had not been able to arrive because there were storms in Caracas and I did not understand it. It turns out that there had been a hurricane and well, he is an Egyptian, that guide at that time was a man who grew up in the desert and around the Nile Valley, they cannot imagine a hurricane, they cannot describe it and do not understand the information, because there is no type of geographical comparison with those phenomena of the Caribbean that an Egyptian person can understand. Well, there was a hurricane and that is why the plane could not leave. And the first time the trip to Egypt was the fascination, it was to have seen the rehearsal of the pyramids, that was very cool, and see that it is not that they came out so divine, there is no pyramid of chambonas, that they fell, that they were badly made, there are rehearsals of pyramids, right? There are a series of pyramids that show how they tried and learned to make them, that is, it was not that they did not come out so immortal and fantastic, but that they had to do rehearsals and learn to make them. Still, many of their mysteries are not revealed, we still do not know exactly how they did them, there is a theory of ramps, there is another theory, even concrete, technology is still an object of speculation today, to know how they managed to mount that and how they managed to fit it, and always and every time new things are discovered, that is, this is provisional, because a little while ago they opened some tremendous tombs, new ones of their ancient discovery in their immortality, that is, this is always subject to excavation, it is always subject to new stories. The Egyptian civilization continues to be built in our story, despite how much we have talked about it, and despite the madness that Champollion produced in deciphering the ancient hieroglyphs through the Rosetta stone, the hieroglyphs means sacred writing, for a long time, since the temple of Philae disappears and Christianization arrives, little by little, the knowledge of the meaning of the hieroglyphs is being lost. So, finally, it will be until the 19th century, the century in which antiquity and modernity were discovered, where this obsession begins to understand what the hieroglyphics were, and where in the expedition of Egypt, it was at that time, Napoleon, who was a man of illustration, then he sent an entire expedition to copy, bring everything he saw on his way. So, what they did was copy, there is a book called the Egyptian expedition of Vernon, absolutely recommended for this story, because it is a prodigy of the drawings, of the physical paintings that Vernon made, to be able to bring them, some things they brought, as in a kind of serigraphy, they traced them, what they did was copy what they saw, and they brought that to the museums, and they studied it, and studied it, and studied it, and in one of those, the fascination for Champollion came in, to understand what those hieroglyphics were, if Champollion was a linguist, and he was going to be able to find the famous history of the Rosetta stone, which is always good to tell, a stone, but one imagines that it is a small stone, it is not the size of a table, but of a large table, the first time I saw it, I saw it in the British Museum, this is like the sadness that these things are in the British Museum, and they are in France, and they are not in Cairo, that is always a debate that never ends, and then it turns out that, in that stone there was a writing of Demotic, there was a writing of Greek, and there were hieroglyphics, so what Champollion is going to do, is to establish a comparison of Alpha with Pajarito, of Beta with Jackal, and from that, establish the patterns that would allow him the key, so that we would know the meaning of the hieroglyphics, so this is going to be one of the most incredible things, because it allowed us to know the content of the Egyptian hieroglyphics, and enter that impenetrable world of antiquity, to get to know it, to where we know it right now, all this is provisional, you can always know more, freshly opened graves will inform us of new things, but the time I went, the second time I went, imagine that I went on March 3, 2011, and on March 3, 2011, we were going there, normal, because Egypt, it is not normal to go to Egypt, it is extraordinary, but we were going there, to Egypt, and it turns out that a phenomenon is unleashed, which is known in our recent history, which is like the Arab spring. The Arab spring is this amount of mobilizations that begin on Tuesdays, because of the exhaustion of an economic model, and a political model, of more than 30 years of governments, throughout North Africa, and that will start with a fruit seller, who burns alive, unable to survive in such terrible economic conditions, and will generate a very large level of mobilization, which begins in June, and then it will reach Cairo, and in Cairo it will be an incredible, incredible, incredible mobilization, and that will spread to Morocco, to Yemen, to Syria, to Syria it would lead to a tragedy that has not yet come out, because starting in the spring, the repression of Al-Assad was so brutal, that it quickly mutated into an armed confrontation, and an armed confrontation led to all the bands in conflict, and that led to the powers, and still at this moment Syria does not leave the tragedy, which is a tragedy for all humanity, from the human of the Syrians, and from the immortal of their civilization, and from a huge piece of our history, which is lost in all those days of pain, and drama that embarks on the Syrians, and their ancient civilization, where the alphabets were invented. This is as unpredictable as history is. In the case of Egypt, it was a revolution of Facebook, it was a person who was killed in a police station, and then they placed in Facebook, the square of Tahrir, for a group of students, to establish a protest, for what had been that crime of the police, and at that moment many people were going to arrive, and the days of the square of Tahrir were going to begin, and the January 23 revolution begins, and this is going to be an absolutely incredible thing, and this is going to develop in front of our eyes, on that bridge of Cairo, and suddenly there are going to be some features of incredible solidarity, because there is a moment when they begin to attack the Muslims, on Friday of the prayer, and the Copts take each other by the hands, and make a ring to protect the Muslims, in the middle of prayer, so that they can pray quietly. The women who join in mass, if they have too strict customs, they are respected, then they make tents, so that the women can watch in the square, without contradicting their customs. They found in the square of Tahrir, a way to coexist in all their religious and political diversities, to be able to protest against the Mubarak government, which had been in power for 30 years, and for a long time, which no longer gave an answer to all the changes that the Egyptian society was asking for. This is a youth revolution, it is a student revolution, this is similar to the imagination of power that the French Mayans made, but it has a difference, the parents supported them. Our guide, Amar, a boy, at that time he was 27 years old, this boy who was in the square, who was in the mobilizations, who was part of the movement, he was not from Cairo, he is from Damiata, a region a little further north, and after he was arrested, he wrote to his parents and told them that he was going to return to the square. And the parents answered him that this was where he was going to be. He said, I'm going to return to the square because I can't stop coming back, but it is important that I tell you, so that you know that I will be in the square. And they supported him, and the parents supported him, and a lot of people joined, and this went on until Mubarak's resignation, but it cost a lot of lives, and it was a thing, let's say, a apotheosis of expressions, of movements, this was an absolutely incredible thing, the episode of the Arab Spring in Cairo, and also seeing how this whole town came out to express itself in those multiple ways, later when we get to Alexandria, we will see how the students protected the library, holding hands, and a huge sign came out, greetings to the young people of Egypt, who protect the library of Alexandria, honor to the young people of Egypt. This was an impressive thing, then we, with the armed group, with everything ready, what do we do? Are we going or not? So, it's the decision, because you don't know what you're going to find, a revolution has just happened, so what? What's going to happen? Then we meet with the group, and they say, yes, we're leaving, and we leave on March 3. I had been working on the radio for 20 years, telling stories on the radio, and telling stories was up to where I got, from then on, the way stories reached the public, who listened to me weekly, that was no longer my job, that was the job of the broadcaster, of the operators, of the radio system, but one day, from one moment to the next, that stage in my life ended, and I got into a completely different story, which was the podcasts, and to do podcasts, I had to learn many things, things I hadn't learned before in life, for example, I studied philosophy, and all my life I've studied history, because I didn't have business skills, I didn't know how to use digital platforms, I didn't know how to train teams, to know and manage all the new things that a podcast means, and all that I had to learn along the way, why am I telling you this story? 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So, the idea is that you subscribe, and if you subscribe to platzi.com slash Diana Uribe, you can do it for 12 months, but you'll have 13 months of subscription, that is, one month will be free, and this is a very special story, which is nice to tell you about all the learnings it produces, and the doors it opens, and I thank Platzi for sponsoring this program, and now we continue with our story. And we leave on March 3rd. We go, in this case, we go to Madrid, and we arrive in Barajas, and we present the passport, and he tells us, and we go to buy something at Duty Free, and we present the passport, and the woman from the box, from the airport warehouse, tells us, and we go to the airport, and we go to the airport, and we go to the airport, and we go to the airport, and the airport warehouse looks at our passport, and looks at the ticket that we have to present to be able to buy something in those warehouses, and he tells us, and he doesn't scold us, but how are you going to Cairo? But are you crazy? And he didn't scold us, so how can we go to Cairo, that many irresponsible, that many crazy, that many crazy, wasigenceless of Egypt, because tourism was not coming, there was just a revolution it was a civil revolution that spring, at that time in Egypt, there was a sense of self-worth, of pride, of utopia, everywhere there were henceforth the Egyptian revolution, I would also see in Alexandria a symbol that had caught my attention when I was in Lebanon. It was a cross and a crescent. A cross inside a crescent. That cross inside, stuck to a crescent, means Christians and Muslims are together in Lebanon. Now, when we arrived in Alexandria on this trip, we saw the cross on the Egyptian flags, which meant Christians and Muslims, we are all Egyptians. This was an explosion of civil society, of transformations, of changes. I mean, a very interesting thing that happened to us there, just happened. And since they live from tourism, they live from tourism so desperately, then there were places where they applauded us. When we arrived in Alexandria, for example, a tourist bus at that time was the only possibility of food for many people. So, this was between the astonishment and one trying to collaborate with a people that anyway lives from that. The guide told me, the ones who are guides, we can't do anything else. Being a guide in Egypt, I remind you, is a profession of five years. They see a year of Greeks, Romans, ancient Egyptians. I mean, this is a very serious profession because they are the window of this civilization to the world and they speak all the languages that you imagine because being there, hey, people speaking in German, in Spanish, in Italian, in English, they are a cosmopolitan and it is not that they can go out, it is not easy for them to go out. The world is going to look at them, for them they can't go out to look at the world. It is not easy, it is not easy for them, but it is not easy for us either. So, at that time there was so much optimism, at that time the young people were, and we saw that, they were driving the traffic of the city because the police had been disarticulated by the force of the mobilizations at that time. It was an open moment to all transformation. We were at a point in time where Cairo and Egypt opened to the possibility of a huge historical change. And let's say what happens next is how surprising or how strong history can be. Later there would be a coup d'état by the army, but at that moment, when we went, everything was hope, everything was faith, everything was the entrance to a world where people took for the first time the voicery in the streets. And that is always a historical opportunity, the peoples can transform their history like this, and that's how they transformed it. Even at the airport you could see a large number of people returning from other countries and they were like, let's say, quantities of Egyptians who were returning from all over the world. And they were rows and rows, a society, let's say, as in the excitement of a great change. It was all, let's say, the mobilization had already passed, the revolution lasted a month, until Mubarak was going to resign. But all the echoes, all the joy, the optimism, everything that was happening, was felt in the streets. That smell of hope, that feeling of open possibility, what could be experienced on that day, on that March that we arrived, in 2011, when the spring was beginning to reveal the political history of the Egyptians. And the young people were going to look for a place in the world, because where they were born there was no longer a time for them. The old discourses had already worn out, the most heroic moments of Pan-Arabism were aging without giving new changes and new opportunities to the new generations that are coming, because even the most heroic episodes of history wear out without being renewed. So, we will talk about Pan-Arabism as a very important historical factor of identity, of culture, especially because they, at the time of independence, with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, they are going to fight for an independence that they won and that was unknown to them. So, let's say, they didn't achieve that turn there. What they are going to achieve is, later, with Nasser Gamal Abdel Nasser, who is going to create a new historical trend that really gives them a starting point, their own, and not a redistribution that had passed them from being subjects of the Ottoman Empire to a Franco-British protectorate. So, that twist of history is what Pan-Arabism, as a current that generates a historical, authentic inspiration, is going to correct. And it will do it through Nasser. But 30 years had already passed. So, heroic times that the Egyptians lived, very important times, had already worn out in the collective memory of time. And the new generations, tired of a discourse that didn't give them possibilities at that time, were looking for another world, another moment, another society, without ignoring the importance of all this, because if not, Egypt wouldn't exist as an autonomous country. But with the search for other possibilities, because all the discourses and all the projects have to be renewed. New generations come with new needs and new looks, with new inhabitants of the world. Every time a generation arrives in the world, it is an opportunity for a huge change, because people arrive with a new story and a new look at the world. And these were the young people of the Plaza de Tajir. And walking at night and listening to the story of our guide, what was, at that moment, what had just happened in the Plaza de Tajir, is one of the most effervescent and exciting moments of the trips. To have been able to arrive at that place at that moment, to see what was a rumba in the Nile, which was wonderful. One got on a boat, and crossed the Nile from one side to the other. And it turns out that there is a parade. So, what is the parade like? The parade is that everyone gets on the boat, but they don't drink. So, what is there is tea, and what is there is candied apples. And with the tea and the candied apples, with the music, there were people that you never see in a rumba, because there were families with girls, there were peasants with their agricultural chelavas, there were super modern young people with extremely modern cuts and dresses. All the amount of parches that you will never mix in a rumba, because everyone feels more or less cool than the one next to them. They would go around the Nile, from one end to the other in the Cairo, and then they would return, and that was the rumba. The coolest thing. Other ways of rumba, it is very particular for one to see how one rumbas, with that joy and that unbridled and wonderful in societies where you don't drink. It is very strange for us. For example, in Morocco, I also saw the end of a game where Morocco lost. It was a world game, and it turns out that everyone goes home, they get drunk, but they get sad because they lost, but since they don't drink, they don't go crazy, they don't kill themselves, but everyone goes home. Socially speaking, the experience of the people who don't have the drink as a nucleus of socialization is very different for us. It is completely different because they understand it in another way, they live it in another way, they rumba it in another way. That little tour of the Nile, that night, they told me, the Nile is for everyone, the Nile is where we are all, it is what makes us possible. Later, when we talk about the Nile, we will understand that the Nile, as it is so prodigal, so generous, it was a god for them because only a god could prodigal so much, as the Nile has given them, as the Nile has been for them. So, this urban part in Cairo, those nights looking at the echoes of spring, in the uncertainty of history, but with open hope, with a bright look in the eyes of these boys, telling us with such pride what they did, and what we would later form in Alexandria, and the way they were doing in their own hands a social transformation of the size they wanted to do, how they told the stories again from their own perspective. All that was an unparalleled experience, and then when we go deep into the pilgrimages, when we are inside the temples, in Karnak, Luxor, seeing that Nile cruise was empty, when we did the trip for the first time, this was all the tourism in the world there, because there you find all the tourism in the planet, and on the first trip, in the afternoons, we told the stories, because these travel projects, I always tell talks, and in those talks, context is being made. So, we made context in these talks in the afternoon, in the tea, in the sunsets, in the boat of the Nile cruise, all the people who spoke Spanish stayed quiet, listening to the story, and it was very nice, because you are telling these stories and we are not, because our project is a project of telling stories, it is a cultural trip, so that made us enter into dialogues with many people. The first time I saw, it was seen at the time of prayer, all the aligned cruises, which were a lot, and all the people being in prayer at the same time. You go to anything and it is the time of prayer, and everyone takes out their mat and sits down to pray. And everything is interrupted there, because it is the time of prayer. So, when you hear from Cairo the call to prayer, which we also heard on the trip to Turkey, this is such an imposing thing, that call to prayer, and everyone prays five times a day. After a while you learn to distribute your time between the call to prayer. I was like, it's already 12, it's already 4, because the call to prayer is distributing the time as it is distributed by them, and all these teas that one is drinking in all those little cafes in Cairo, and that bazaar is so absolutely impressive. The bazaar of Cairo is crazy, it is a gigantic thing. Full of all the shops, all the fabrics, all the porcelain, all the glass, all the possible goods of the land, sold and traded for millennia. The heritage of that commercial world that has defined so many civilizations and peoples, routes of so many things. So, going to the bazaar from there, if you are craving it, record it, because everything is beautiful and everything is cool. And if it is an observatory, wonderful, because everything is a huge look of all this number of peoples. One always feels that point in which they do not distinguish which time it is, because Cairo is a jigsaw of historical times. Then we will see when we are touring the Muslim Cairo and the Coptic Cairo, and we will see the mosques and the citadel of Saladin, and we will see all that amount of stories that are woven in Cairo, where the fundamental points of the main religions are seen. But right now we are just arriving, before entering the depths of this journey, the first thing we are going to find is the spring, and it receives us this completely wonderful spirit, which is giving us the hope of times of change, of the arrival of democracy in North Africa. What is going to happen there or not, we could not see it at that time. What would happen in Libya, which would then collapse, and Libya has been crumbled so far, Syria has been crumbled so far, Yemen has been crumbled so far, each one in a degree of tragedy, which is more serious, we could not imagine that. At that time, what we saw was the hope. Tunisia was the one that has come out the best, free from this spring, because it had schools of democracy, to be able to give sustainability to everything that was happening. Yes, that is, the schools of democracy in Tunisia, are going to make many ways that this spontaneity of the movement of the streets can be translated into a movement of longer term, of greater sustainability, beyond the fragility of the historical moment. And why schools of democracy? Because they have had a dictatorship for 30 years, so it was the schools of democracy, it was really to explain to people what democracy consists of, how it works politically, what is the function of each one, what a society can do within civil society and democracy. And that is what happened in Tunisia, and that has made that in Tunisia there are many ways to change things. In Cairo, the thing was starting until now, Cairo, Egypt is always important, always, that is, in everything that happens, in everything that exists, Egypt is important, it is one of those nations that has had a historical weight since its appearance on earth, so that Egypt entered in spring was a completely important thing, because that also determined the course of what was going to follow in the other countries. As we will see, or as it happened, each one of them had a different course and in each one of them things were different. But at that moment, when that opening was being given, that light, that optimism, that shine in the eyes of the people, their collective pride of having carried out something so powerful, like a revolution, like the one they did in the square of Tahrir, they felt in the air because less than a month had passed since that. So our arrival there was from the astonishment, from the uncertainty, from the intrigue, from the hope. It was one of the most beautiful moments of the trips, to have arrived in Egypt a month after the revolution and to feel in the air that wonderful optimism, that fascination of the young people, entering to take an active part in their society and taking in their hands the course of history to look for their own horizons at that moment of opening that meant the Arab Spring. The first entrance So that's the first entrance. Let's say the first thing that happens to us is that, later when we are inside we will see the loneliness of those tourist sites that in the previous trip I had seen full of people from all over the planet. Nobody like them has summoned the look of astonishment of the world and that is why they were used to the world being there permanently. So that loneliness in the middle of the tourist season was something that they did not know how to handle because they had never been touched. Then we had, later I will tell you, we had photos in the pyramids like the ones from the 19th century. Remember that the pyramids in the 19th century, when there were photos, that the photography began, people were alone there, yes, there was no crowd. Then it was never possible to take a single photo of the pyramids because there were always the crowds that in large quantities have always been accompanying these trips. Well, we took the photos of the 19th century again because there was no one and the contrast with the first trip where this was a crowd, because the pyramids are very close to Cairo. So let's say how that vision that one has of those pyramids there isolated, alone, it is not like that, they are very close to Cairo and if one sees the tour of the sand above the city, permanently the sand of the desert that goes through the city, over there, and one goes to the pyramids and the pyramids, let's say, are a little drowned in the circumvallation of the rest of Cairo, which is an impressively large city and I say it as chaotic Bogotá, that those are already extremes, yes, because camels pass by and cars pass by in all directions, but they handle an organic chaos that seems not to affect them much, yes, so in the middle of the city, almost in the middle, is that the pyramids are there because the city has grown so much, we are talking about cities of more than 20 million inhabitants, that is, Cairo is a very big thing. So when one goes to the pyramids, they are absolutely wonderful because they are from the beginning of time, but they are in an urban landscape, they are not alone, we have the images of a guy named David Roberts, who was in the 19th century and painted this for the first time so that the Westerners would know him, from the point of view of how the Westerners feel that when they paint, discover or name something, it appears in time or in history, it appears in their history, but David Roberts is going to make some paintings, some wonderful drawings of an Egypt still buried in the sand, and that is like the image that one is going to have of the pyramids and that one is going to have of the temples, but they are not really like that, and at that moment they are surrounded by people, that does not mean that it is not absolutely amazing to enter there, and at that moment, every time you can see a piece that you do not see again, you can enter one of those tombs, which is a quite claustrophobic experience, but interesting in the middle of all that amount of time. But I will tell you this, in antiquity we will get into the rest of the way, today I wanted to give you a little introduction to the whole look of what is going to happen, basically what I wanted was to tell you about the Egypt of the spring, that was what was absolutely important, so that you were clear that this was what was happening at this time. So from now on we are going to get into the rest of this antiquity, ancestrality, of the layers of the contemporary, of what happens, of what was, of the immortality of these people who invented the concept for the rest of the planet, because they lived it first hand, but today I wanted to introduce you to this trip, introduce you to this fascinating trip to Egypt, and experience a little of the air, of the flavor of the spring, that was at that time camping on the streets of Tajir. So, from the spaces of immortality, of the infinite, of the eternal, of what will happen in the time of the spring, of the hope of the square of Tajir, of the young people taking the fate into their hands, of the freshness of the hope of a people, of the contact with that wonderful city of Cairo, with its people, with its stories, of that world that opens between us, so enigmatic and so wonderful, and of the number of times that overlap in a story that crosses through a land as majestic as Egypt, in a moment as particular as that spring, in the narration of Ana Uribe, and for you, happy day, whatever day it is. We invite you to visit our website www.dianauribe.com I want to remind you that on the page www.dianauribe.com you can find the notes and the playlist of the songs that we mentioned during the episode, so that you can listen to it, enjoy it, and enjoy it. This podcast was produced and musicalized by Eduardo Corredor Fonseca, of Rueda Sonido, and always with the strong and powerful help of Santiago Espinosa Uribe and Laura Rojas Aponte, of the podcast Cosas de Internet.
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It is she who is being narrated."}, {"start": 638.02, "end": 641.62, "text": " It is like the city's granola. We will also talk about the prophet Cadaphs,"}, {"start": 641.62, "end": 648.02, "text": " who will appear at some point of these, but that is a mythical part of here."}, {"start": 648.02, "end": 654.4200000000001, "text": " That is why Christianity will arrive and that Christianity that will arrive there is a very original Christianity,"}, {"start": 654.42, "end": 660.02, "text": " very primitive, and there we will see the Virgin and we will see the Coptic world."}, {"start": 660.02, "end": 668.42, "text": " The Coptic world is very interesting and very important within the formation of the culture and politics of Egypt."}, {"start": 668.42, "end": 673.2199999999999, "text": " And then Islam will arrive. 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We are going to meet a great number of wonders"}, {"start": 700.02, "end": 703.02, "text": " that happen to one when he is in Egypt."}, {"start": 703.02, "end": 708.22, "text": " So, because when one arrives in Egypt, the first thing he does is open up to fascination,"}, {"start": 708.22, "end": 712.82, "text": " open up to the possibility of meeting the oldest,"}, {"start": 712.82, "end": 720.62, "text": " to meet Alpha Juni, to meet the valleys of those wonderful perfumes where the jasmines are,"}, {"start": 720.62, "end": 725.02, "text": " which is where the essences of the perfumes of the land of Egypt are produced."}, {"start": 725.02, "end": 728.02, "text": " Smell, smell all these wonders."}, {"start": 728.02, "end": 732.62, "text": " And you see those images, also, when one leaves the Cairo Museum,"}, {"start": 732.62, "end": 736.4200000000001, "text": " sees the people and the people are exactly the same as those in the museum."}, {"start": 736.42, "end": 741.02, "text": " The dogs are the same as those in the museum and the birds are the same as those in the museum."}, {"start": 741.02, "end": 746.62, "text": " So, that which is so exotic, so unparalleled, so incredible is the people as they are there."}, {"start": 746.62, "end": 752.2199999999999, "text": " They have a feature that is one of the fingers of the feet that is longer than the others."}, {"start": 752.2199999999999, "end": 758.62, "text": " That is painted in the hieroglyphics and it is painted, and it is painted by the boatmen that take it to one."}, {"start": 758.62, "end": 764.8199999999999, "text": " In other words, one feels the survival of the eternity of the Egyptians."}, {"start": 764.82, "end": 769.22, "text": " And this for the Latin Americans is still something of the other world"}, {"start": 769.22, "end": 777.0200000000001, "text": " because we have a very strong cut in our past that makes us not have a clear thread."}, {"start": 777.0200000000001, "end": 778.62, "text": " That is more serious in one case than in another."}, {"start": 778.62, "end": 782.22, "text": " In other words, Mexicans and Peruvians have it clearer."}, {"start": 782.22, "end": 787.82, "text": " But we are in the construction of that world that unites us to the world we were."}, {"start": 787.82, "end": 792.82, "text": " So, we still have a lot to rebuild in our memory"}, {"start": 792.82, "end": 798.4200000000001, "text": " to be able to find the original worlds and the worlds of which we were empire after."}, {"start": 798.4200000000001, "end": 803.82, "text": " These people do not. These people know that they have 28 generations back."}, {"start": 803.82, "end": 805.4200000000001, "text": " They know where they come from."}, {"start": 805.4200000000001, "end": 811.0200000000001, "text": " They have a charm that is the one that people from very ancient civilizations have."}, {"start": 811.0200000000001, "end": 815.0200000000001, "text": " We had talked about it when we were talking about the Persians in Iran,"}, {"start": 815.0200000000001, "end": 818.0200000000001, "text": " in the Silk Road, because they are known to be ancient."}, {"start": 818.02, "end": 822.8199999999999, "text": " They have the legacy of millennia and that gives them an exquisite refinement,"}, {"start": 822.8199999999999, "end": 829.02, "text": " a wonderful particularity that is expressed with all spontaneity,"}, {"start": 829.02, "end": 832.62, "text": " but that does not stop keeping the mystery of the millennia"}, {"start": 832.62, "end": 837.22, "text": " of those who have crossed the 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"text": " that is always a debate that never ends,"}, {"start": 1082.6200000000001, "end": 1085.02, "text": " and then it turns out that,"}, {"start": 1085.02, "end": 1089.02, "text": " in that stone there was a writing of Demotic,"}, {"start": 1089.02, "end": 1091.42, "text": " there was a writing of Greek,"}, {"start": 1091.42, "end": 1093.42, "text": " and there were hieroglyphics,"}, {"start": 1093.42, "end": 1096.22, "text": " so what Champollion is going to do,"}, {"start": 1096.22, "end": 1100.42, "text": " is to establish a comparison of Alpha with Pajarito,"}, {"start": 1100.42, "end": 1102.82, "text": " of Beta with Jackal,"}, {"start": 1102.82, "end": 1107.6200000000001, "text": " and from that, establish the patterns that would allow him the key,"}, {"start": 1107.6200000000001, "end": 1111.22, "text": " so that we would know the meaning of the hieroglyphics,"}, {"start": 1111.22, "end": 1116.02, "text": " so this is going to be one of the most incredible things,"}, 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2529.62, "text": " and everyone prays five times a day."}, {"start": 2529.62, "end": 2534.62, "text": " After a while you learn to distribute your time between the call to prayer."}, {"start": 2534.62, "end": 2538.62, "text": " I was like, it's already 12, it's already 4,"}, {"start": 2538.62, "end": 2545.62, "text": " because the call to prayer is distributing the time as it is distributed by them,"}, {"start": 2545.62, "end": 2550.62, "text": " and all these teas that one is drinking in all those little cafes in Cairo,"}, {"start": 2550.62, "end": 2553.62, "text": " and that bazaar is so absolutely impressive."}, {"start": 2553.62, "end": 2558.62, "text": " The bazaar of Cairo is crazy, it is a gigantic thing."}, {"start": 2558.62, "end": 2565.62, "text": " Full of all the shops, all the fabrics, all the porcelain, all the glass,"}, {"start": 2565.62, "end": 2573.62, "text": " all the possible goods of the land, sold and traded for millennia."}, {"start": 2573.62, "end": 2579.62, "text": " The heritage of that commercial world that has defined so many civilizations and peoples,"}, {"start": 2579.62, "end": 2581.62, "text": " routes of so many things."}, {"start": 2581.62, "end": 2585.62, "text": " So, going to the bazaar from there, if you are craving it, record it,"}, {"start": 2585.62, "end": 2588.62, "text": " because everything is beautiful and everything is cool."}, {"start": 2588.62, "end": 2591.62, "text": " And if it is an observatory, wonderful,"}, {"start": 2591.62, "end": 2596.62, "text": " because everything is a huge look of all this number of peoples."}, {"start": 2596.62, "end": 2601.62, "text": " One always feels that point in which they do not distinguish which time it is,"}, {"start": 2601.62, "end": 2608.62, "text": " because Cairo is a jigsaw of historical times."}, {"start": 2608.62, "end": 2614.62, "text": " Then we will see when we are touring the Muslim Cairo and the Coptic Cairo,"}, {"start": 2614.62, "end": 2618.62, "text": " and we will see the mosques and the citadel of Saladin,"}, {"start": 2618.62, "end": 2623.62, "text": " and we will see all that amount of stories that are woven in Cairo,"}, {"start": 2623.62, "end": 2628.62, "text": " where the fundamental points of the main religions are seen."}, {"start": 2628.62, "end": 2633.62, "text": " But right now we are just arriving, before entering the depths of this journey,"}, {"start": 2633.62, "end": 2636.62, "text": " the first thing we are going to find is the spring,"}, {"start": 2636.62, "end": 2641.62, "text": " and it receives us this completely wonderful spirit,"}, {"start": 2641.62, "end": 2644.62, "text": " which is giving us the hope of times of change,"}, {"start": 2644.62, "end": 2648.62, "text": " of the arrival of democracy in North Africa."}, {"start": 2648.62, "end": 2653.62, "text": " What is going to happen there or not, we could not see it at that time."}, {"start": 2653.62, "end": 2656.62, "text": " What would happen in Libya, which would then collapse,"}, {"start": 2656.62, "end": 2661.62, "text": " and Libya has been crumbled so far, Syria has been crumbled so far,"}, {"start": 2661.62, "end": 2666.62, "text": " Yemen has been crumbled so far, each one in a degree of tragedy,"}, {"start": 2666.62, "end": 2670.62, "text": " which is more serious, we could not imagine that."}, {"start": 2670.62, "end": 2673.62, "text": " At that time, what we saw was the hope."}, {"start": 2673.62, "end": 2677.62, "text": " Tunisia was the one that has come out the best, free from this spring,"}, {"start": 2677.62, "end": 2679.62, "text": " because it had schools of democracy,"}, {"start": 2679.62, "end": 2684.62, "text": " to be able to give sustainability to everything that was happening."}, {"start": 2684.62, "end": 2687.62, "text": " Yes, that is, the schools of democracy in Tunisia,"}, {"start": 2687.62, "end": 2696.62, "text": " are going to make many ways that this spontaneity of the movement of the streets"}, {"start": 2696.62, "end": 2702.62, "text": " can be translated into a movement of longer term, of greater sustainability,"}, {"start": 2702.62, "end": 2706.62, "text": " beyond the fragility of the historical moment."}, {"start": 2706.62, "end": 2708.62, "text": " And why schools of democracy?"}, {"start": 2708.62, "end": 2710.62, "text": " Because they have had a dictatorship for 30 years,"}, {"start": 2710.62, "end": 2713.62, "text": " so it was the schools of democracy,"}, {"start": 2713.62, "end": 2716.62, "text": " it was really to explain to people what democracy consists of,"}, {"start": 2716.62, "end": 2720.62, "text": " how it works politically, what is the function of each one,"}, {"start": 2720.62, "end": 2725.62, "text": " what a society can do within civil society and democracy."}, {"start": 2725.62, "end": 2727.62, "text": " And that is what happened in Tunisia,"}, {"start": 2727.62, "end": 2731.62, "text": " and that has made that in Tunisia there are many ways to change things."}, {"start": 2731.62, "end": 2734.62, "text": " In Cairo, the thing was starting until now,"}, {"start": 2734.62, "end": 2737.62, "text": " Cairo, Egypt is always important, always,"}, {"start": 2737.62, "end": 2740.62, "text": " that is, in everything that happens, in everything that exists,"}, {"start": 2740.62, "end": 2744.62, "text": " Egypt is important, it is one of those nations that has had a historical weight"}, {"start": 2744.62, "end": 2747.62, "text": " since its appearance on earth,"}, {"start": 2747.62, "end": 2753.62, "text": " so that Egypt entered in spring was a completely important thing,"}, {"start": 2753.62, "end": 2759.62, "text": " because that also determined the course of what was going to follow in the other countries."}, {"start": 2759.62, "end": 2762.62, "text": " As we will see, or as it happened,"}, {"start": 2762.62, "end": 2767.62, "text": " each one of them had a different course and in each one of them things were different."}, {"start": 2767.62, "end": 2772.62, "text": " But at that moment, when that opening was being given, that light,"}, {"start": 2772.62, "end": 2775.62, "text": " that optimism, that shine in the eyes of the people,"}, {"start": 2775.62, "end": 2780.62, "text": " their collective pride of having carried out something so powerful,"}, {"start": 2780.62, "end": 2785.62, "text": " like a revolution, like the one they did in the square of Tahrir,"}, {"start": 2785.62, "end": 2790.62, "text": " they felt in the air because less than a month had passed since that."}, {"start": 2790.62, "end": 2796.62, "text": " So our arrival there was from the astonishment, from the uncertainty,"}, {"start": 2796.62, "end": 2800.62, "text": " from the intrigue, from the hope."}, {"start": 2800.62, "end": 2803.62, "text": " It was one of the most beautiful moments of the trips,"}, {"start": 2803.62, "end": 2806.62, "text": " to have arrived in Egypt a month after the revolution"}, {"start": 2806.62, "end": 2810.62, "text": " and to feel in the air that wonderful optimism,"}, {"start": 2810.62, "end": 2813.62, "text": " that fascination of the young people,"}, {"start": 2813.62, "end": 2817.62, "text": " entering to take an active part in their society"}, {"start": 2817.62, "end": 2820.62, "text": " and taking in their hands the course of history"}, {"start": 2820.62, "end": 2823.62, "text": " to look for their own horizons"}, {"start": 2823.62, "end": 2838.62, "text": " at that moment of opening that meant the Arab Spring."}, {"start": 2853.62, "end": 2872.62, "text": " The first entrance"}, {"start": 2872.62, "end": 2875.62, "text": " So that's the first entrance."}, {"start": 2875.62, "end": 2877.62, "text": " Let's say the first thing that happens to us is that,"}, {"start": 2877.62, "end": 2883.62, "text": " later when we are inside we will see the loneliness of those tourist sites"}, {"start": 2883.62, "end": 2889.62, "text": " that in the previous trip I had seen full of people from all over the planet."}, {"start": 2889.62, "end": 2893.62, "text": " Nobody like them has summoned the look of astonishment of the world"}, {"start": 2893.62, "end": 2898.62, "text": " and that is why they were used to the world being there permanently."}, {"start": 2898.62, "end": 2902.62, "text": " So that loneliness in the middle of the tourist season"}, {"start": 2902.62, "end": 2905.62, "text": " was something that they did not know how to handle"}, {"start": 2905.62, "end": 2907.62, "text": " because they had never been touched."}, {"start": 2907.62, "end": 2912.62, "text": " Then we had, later I will tell you, we had photos in the pyramids like the ones from the 19th century."}, {"start": 2912.62, "end": 2914.62, "text": " Remember that the pyramids in the 19th century,"}, {"start": 2914.62, "end": 2917.62, "text": " when there were photos, that the photography began,"}, {"start": 2917.62, "end": 2920.62, "text": " people were alone there, yes, there was no crowd."}, {"start": 2920.62, "end": 2924.62, "text": " Then it was never possible to take a single photo of the pyramids"}, {"start": 2924.62, "end": 2926.62, "text": " because there were always the crowds"}, {"start": 2926.62, "end": 2931.62, "text": " that in large quantities have always been accompanying these trips."}, {"start": 2931.62, "end": 2935.62, "text": " Well, we took the photos of the 19th century again because there was no one"}, {"start": 2935.62, "end": 2940.62, "text": " and the contrast with the first trip where this was a crowd,"}, {"start": 2940.62, "end": 2943.62, "text": " because the pyramids are very close to Cairo."}, {"start": 2943.62, "end": 2949.62, "text": " So let's say how that vision that one has of those pyramids there isolated, alone,"}, {"start": 2949.62, "end": 2952.62, "text": " it is not like that, they are very close to Cairo"}, {"start": 2952.62, "end": 2956.62, "text": " and if one sees the tour of the sand above the city,"}, {"start": 2956.62, "end": 2960.62, "text": " permanently the sand of the desert that goes through the city,"}, {"start": 2960.62, "end": 2963.62, "text": " over there, and one goes to the pyramids"}, {"start": 2963.62, "end": 2967.62, "text": " and the pyramids, let's say, are a little drowned"}, {"start": 2967.62, "end": 2971.62, "text": " in the circumvallation of the rest of Cairo,"}, {"start": 2971.62, "end": 2974.62, "text": " which is an impressively large city"}, {"start": 2974.62, "end": 2979.62, "text": " and I say it as chaotic Bogot\u00e1, that those are already extremes, yes,"}, {"start": 2979.62, "end": 2985.62, "text": " because camels pass by and cars pass by in all directions,"}, {"start": 2985.62, "end": 2988.62, "text": " but they handle an organic chaos"}, {"start": 2988.62, "end": 2991.62, "text": " that seems not to affect them much, yes,"}, {"start": 2991.62, "end": 2995.62, "text": " so in the middle of the city, almost in the middle,"}, {"start": 2995.62, "end": 2998.62, "text": " is that the pyramids are there because the city has grown so much,"}, {"start": 2998.62, "end": 3001.62, "text": " we are talking about cities of more than 20 million inhabitants,"}, {"start": 3001.62, "end": 3003.62, "text": " that is, Cairo is a very big thing."}, {"start": 3003.62, "end": 3008.62, "text": " So when one goes to the pyramids, they are absolutely wonderful"}, {"start": 3008.62, "end": 3012.62, "text": " because they are from the beginning of time, but they are in an urban landscape,"}, {"start": 3012.62, "end": 3017.62, "text": " they are not alone, we have the images of a guy named David Roberts,"}, {"start": 3017.62, "end": 3021.62, "text": " who was in the 19th century and painted this for the first time"}, {"start": 3021.62, "end": 3025.62, "text": " so that the Westerners would know him,"}, {"start": 3025.62, "end": 3028.62, "text": " from the point of view of how the Westerners feel"}, {"start": 3028.62, "end": 3032.62, "text": " that when they paint, discover or name something, it appears in time or in history,"}, {"start": 3032.62, "end": 3036.62, "text": " it appears in their history, but David Roberts is going to make some paintings,"}, {"start": 3036.62, "end": 3041.62, "text": " some wonderful drawings of an Egypt still buried in the sand,"}, {"start": 3041.62, "end": 3044.62, "text": " and that is like the image that one is going to have of the pyramids"}, {"start": 3044.62, "end": 3048.62, "text": " and that one is going to have of the temples, but they are not really like that,"}, {"start": 3048.62, "end": 3050.62, "text": " and at that moment they are surrounded by people,"}, {"start": 3050.62, "end": 3053.62, "text": " that does not mean that it is not absolutely amazing to enter there,"}, {"start": 3053.62, "end": 3057.62, "text": " and at that moment, every time you can see a piece that you do not see again,"}, {"start": 3057.62, "end": 3062.62, "text": " you can enter one of those tombs, which is a quite claustrophobic experience,"}, {"start": 3062.62, "end": 3065.62, "text": " but interesting in the middle of all that amount of time."}, {"start": 3065.62, "end": 3071.62, "text": " But I will tell you this, in antiquity we will get into the rest of the way,"}, {"start": 3071.62, "end": 3076.62, "text": " today I wanted to give you a little introduction to the whole look of what is going to happen,"}, {"start": 3076.62, "end": 3082.62, "text": " basically what I wanted was to tell you about the Egypt of the spring,"}, {"start": 3082.62, "end": 3085.62, "text": " that was what was absolutely important,"}, {"start": 3085.62, "end": 3090.62, "text": " so that you were clear that this was what was happening at this time."}, {"start": 3090.62, "end": 3098.62, "text": " So from now on we are going to get into the rest of this antiquity,"}, {"start": 3098.62, "end": 3104.62, "text": " ancestrality, of the layers of the contemporary, of what happens, of what was,"}, {"start": 3104.62, "end": 3109.62, "text": " of the immortality of these people who invented the concept for the rest of the planet,"}, {"start": 3109.62, "end": 3112.62, "text": " because they lived it first hand,"}, {"start": 3112.62, "end": 3115.62, "text": " but today I wanted to introduce you to this trip,"}, {"start": 3115.62, "end": 3118.62, "text": " introduce you to this fascinating trip to Egypt,"}, {"start": 3118.62, "end": 3124.62, "text": " and experience a little of the air, of the flavor of the spring,"}, {"start": 3124.62, "end": 3128.62, "text": " that was at that time camping on the streets of Tajir."}, {"start": 3128.62, "end": 3136.62, "text": " So, from the spaces of immortality, of the infinite, of the eternal,"}, {"start": 3136.62, "end": 3142.62, "text": " of what will happen in the time of the spring, of the hope of the square of Tajir,"}, {"start": 3142.62, "end": 3145.62, "text": " of the young people taking the fate into their hands,"}, {"start": 3145.62, "end": 3148.62, "text": " of the freshness of the hope of a people,"}, {"start": 3148.62, "end": 3154.62, "text": " of the contact with that wonderful city of Cairo, with its people, with its stories,"}, {"start": 3154.62, "end": 3160.62, "text": " of that world that opens between us, so enigmatic and so wonderful,"}, {"start": 3160.62, "end": 3165.62, "text": " and of the number of times that overlap in a story that crosses"}, {"start": 3165.62, "end": 3168.62, "text": " through a land as majestic as Egypt,"}, {"start": 3168.62, "end": 3171.62, "text": " in a moment as particular as that spring,"}, {"start": 3171.62, "end": 3178.62, "text": " in the narration of Ana Uribe, and for you, happy day, whatever day it is."}, {"start": 3201.62, "end": 3205.62, "text": " We invite you to visit our website www.dianauribe.com"}, {"start": 3205.62, "end": 3231.62, "text": " I want to remind you that on the page www.dianauribe.com you can find the notes and the playlist of the songs that we mentioned during the episode, so that you can listen to it, enjoy it, and enjoy it."}, 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