Now what they're saying is that, what they said is activist action learn best when they get the opportunity to experience new sort of problems, situations, opportunities when they're doing something quite new when they're sort of involved in very much you know here and now activities when they're sort of like business games, exercises, role plays, team tasks that they can sort of get you know really get involved with themselves then there's lots of action and they're quite short and sharp, so can move on to something else.
