The what we have to get through in this meeting is firstly the prototype presentation from you two , so you can show us what you've been working on so diligently . project manager:  then industrial designer: project manager: then Cat's going to present the evaluation criteria that we're going to be evaluating this against . user interface: project manager: Then I need to say some st a few things about finance , 'cause we have to check that it's within the finance criteria .  and then we'll be making sure that our product fits both the evaluation criteria from Cat and the financial limits .  and then we  will have a brief evaluation of the whole process of production and design that we've been through . S marketing: And then do we get to make a remote control ? industrial designer: project manager: 'Cause we missed out . project manager: So industrial designer: project manager: it's now I guess that we're supposed to start at fifteen thirty five , so we've got until four fifteen . How how much do we have , forty minutes ? project manager: Is that right ? user interface: Yeah , about four fifteen , yeah . Do you want user interface: So , you said  are are we starting with the the project manager: Yes . user interface: so will you maybe start with like the  the shape and things and and then I will explain the the user interface th  things , like the buttons and the scrolling things and industrial designer: Okay . project manager: user interface: marketing: You think bananas are a safe thing to use ? project manager: industrial designer:  marketing: It's a bit  phallic . project manager: Does it vibrate when you press the buttons ? industrial designer:  so basically it's the it's the flip open thing again . project manager: And it's the whole thing's made of rubber , is that user interface:  yeah . marketing: Is it to scale , or do you think you can make it a bit smaller ? user interface: Yeah , . user interface: yeah , but  one thing we actually kind of  forgot while designing , that one side was supposed to be rounder , industrial designer: Yeah , user interface: so we said the back side round , yeah . marketing: and then the whole shape's curvy , so I would say that this curvy does look quite like a vegetable . project manager: user interface: So so  the user interface as as we discussed last time   on on the on the cover we just have the very basic things . user interface: So we have that n  channels here starting from   one two three there would be numbers in in the on the actual one . user interface: So it's four , up to four , up to seven , up to nine and zero , z zero here . It's it's quite standard  place for it and and also the colour is quite often red , so it's it's kind of user friendly . user interface: And then these ones would be for flipping the channels back and like the previous one and the next one . user interface: And and we would also have a l little  thing saying here , previous and ne prevon prevon next . user interface: On the side , marketing: Ah , you did get that in then , user interface: this one . user interface: And and and it's it's on the back is  cover or back lid , because if you flip it open , you can still do the scrolling here . user interface: See ? So the volume is you just scroll , but then once you flip it open , okay , there there you have the screen project manager: Yeah . user interface: You can move back and forth and then if you need to m choose something on the screen , you just push the cen  the middle button . project manager: Y or you could have it so you on the wheel if you marketing: On the wheel , like if you hold the wheel down then it will mute . industrial designer:  on the L_C_D_ we r you know , the main menu will have various options . user interface: Well , but the but the mute yeah , the scrolling is kind of you have to scroll all the way to make it mute , right ? project manager: But if you hold it in , industrial designer:  . marketing: Yeah , but it's a scroll and click , isn't it ? project manager: if it's a scroll and click so you hold it in ? marketing: Okay , cool . user interface: So I think it project manager: And it's with the the black and yellow you're even in the right colours . user interface: Yeah , I think  we could do l the logo in grey , as it is on the website . industrial designer: project manager: user interface: project manager:  it's a sort of intermediate colour , I guess . project manager: industrial designer: marketing: I hate Play-Do , it's just minging . project manager: I suspect we're gonna have a couple of minor finance issues , but  we'll se I'm sure we can get around them somehow . marketing: industrial designer: project manager: We'll just send all of our manufacturing to some nice poor country industrial designer: project manager: and cut some of the prices that way . marketing: so one is , you know , yes , it totally meets with that requirement and seven is , no , it really doesn't , we need to go back and start again . Basically , what I did was I went through all the like user requirements and things that we've done and we've worked on and like made a list of them .  you know , so that we can evaluate each one and like so it was about going back to the start and saying oh yeah , we did manage to do that , or oh no , we really forgot about that . Is that right ? marketing: Yes , I did have A_ , B_ , C_ , and D_ down here , but it seems to have turned into like just bullet points . But if you can imagine that they say A_ , B_ , C_ , and D_ , then that would be really good . marketing: Well , I thought we'd  kinda said that you'd have a little thing to stick on the T_V_ ? project manager: Yeah , just prepare one now . What do you all say ? industrial designer: So ? project manager: I reckon it user interface: S seven was th the maximum , yeah ? marketing: Yeah . Okay   what I've done on the next page is I've set it up so we just put the marks in . project manager:  we can if we industrial designer: I can I can take note   marketing: If you take a note of them , and then I'll put them in in a minute . marketing: Okay , so we're all agreeing on seven for A_ ? project manager: Yeah . Does it match the operating behaviour of the user ? industrial designer:  the the only thing that we were considering was that  this thing is kind of more for right-handed people than for left-handed people , project manager: I think it does .  industrial designer: so if you're left-handed you're kind of left  scrolling with your finger . user interface: so y so we we might do we might want to do like a  another m model another another version , which is like exactly the mirror image of this one . project manager: 'cause you don't always have all left-handers or all right-handers in a family . industrial designer: So bu it's it's not a huge problem , marketing: I th I think it's not it's not like it's a pen . user interface: But then then I think left-handed people are already used to discrimination anyway , project manager: Yeah . user interface: so they just marketing: Yeah , but  because it's not like it's a pen , you know , left-handed people can't normally write right-handed , user interface: Yeah . user interface: Yeah , because  anyway , right-handed people would be able to scroll with it , marketing: Yeah . user interface: so i if the majority are right-handed , it's  project manager: marketing: So  that does kind of negate the whole R_S_I_ issue . marketing: So maybe we need to put that needs a little bit of investigation , maybe give it a five , I would say ? project manager:  marketing: What do you what do you all think ? industrial designer:  . user interface: Or maybe six , because it's just one one i one among the issues , project manager: Yeah , I think I think for  user interface:  . project manager:  most people are right-handed , so in in terms of our greatest target group , I think it's pretty good , but we might want to flag it for management , they want might want to  user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: It might be a little clumsy when when it opens up , right , project manager: They industrial designer: so it opens on the side . industrial designer: So you guys can decide wh whether user interface: it will be and it will be it won't be heavy . user interface: Yeah well yeah , project manager: The length is gonna be difficu user interface: but it's it's a bit long . marketing: But you were thinking about making it smaller , yeah ? industrial designer:  this this kind of  makes it more project manager:  . marketing: So it works like a mobile phone flipping , but y you know , as long as that side's flat , than that will work . Are are we admitting defeat on C_ or are we saying we're gonna stick a locator on the T_V_ ? industrial designer: No , we have a locator . project manager: No , we're gonna put it like we've got th there's the locator dot . Cool , so that means you need a that does mean you need a little speaker on it though , user interface:  that you stick on T_V_ . user interface: Yeah well w but l but the speak sample speaker is included , so it it has some capacity to  to do some to make some sounds , so yeah . If   if this means intuitive , if it means the way people kind of are used to finding things project manager: Yeah . user interface: and it's I th I think it's project manager: I'd say six , 'cause the  the the standard layout for numbers is three three three and one , rather than the way you've got it . marketing: Yeah , and  d industrial designer: And  even the scroll , it's a it's a new technology project manager: So industrial designer: so m m might be a little more difficult for people to get used to in the beginni project manager: Might be industrial designer: so it is kind of not very intuitive but  it's a good technology ,  once they get used to it . project manager: But it and it's something that they will be experiencing in a lot of different places soon . marketing: So , should we maybe say f a five industrial designer: So l marketing: and say it is intuitive , project manager: Five ? marketing: but it's different , so , do you know ,  it's obvious how to use it , project manager: Yeah . It has taken a little while , hasn't it ?  intuitive but Sorry , it's really hard to write on those . marketing: I just went a bit mad , didn't I ? project manager: marketing:  okay , cool , E_ , okay .  I would guess this comes back from this whole B_ thing links in here , so possibly for left-handed . user interface: but then who would be really pushing the buttons so much on the on the remote control anyway , industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: Yeah , so it's kinda industrial designer: Yeah , I I think it is ergonomic . marketing: I used to send fifty texts a day , you know , project manager: Well we've banned them from marketing: and I never got repetitive strain injury from that , project manager: industrial designer:  yeah . industrial designer: And moreover it it has  L_C_D_ and everything , project manager: Yeah . marketing: Hang on , how come it's showing up with the things there but it only had bullet points there ? That's just project manager: Ah , that's the second one . So you must have changed it on this one where it's got score , but not on the previous slide . industrial designer: Anyway it ha yeah , user interface: Technologi well industrial designer: it's the most sophisticated remote that I ever seen . Well  we have we have the sample speaker as well , which is yeah , it's kind of new . marketing: Yeah , but  you don't project manager: All of the components have been used in other things before . marketing: They're never been used i they've never been using remote remote control before I don't think . project manager: What do you reckon , five , six ? marketing: Yeah , what do you all think ? user interface: Six . marketing: Six ? user interface:  how how far can you go with a remote control , really ? project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: marketing: Well , that's it ,  user interface: It still has to do what i what it has to do . industrial designer: marketing: Yeah , but  everything has been used in space before it gets to anyone else really , hasn't it ? project manager: marketing: So , I don't think many peop project manager: Space remote . user interface: Yeah , isn't it fashionable ? project manager: industrial designer: The carrot banana remote . marketing: So , we give it seven , and we write user interface: Fruit fruit and vegetables are fashionable these days , so . user interface: What's the assessment ? marketing: So , we need the average here , so we got user interface: The average is about six and something . marketing: So we've got four sevens , user interface: No , wait , a little bit under six . project manager: Fifty one , one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight . project manager: Six point point industrial designer: Fifty one divided by user interface: Six point something , yeah . project manager: Now wait until we get to finance and then we'll see if we can afford it . marketing: project manager: That's all you've got at the moment , or did you have anything more ? marketing:  no , that's it , project manager: That's it ? marketing: yeah . marketing: user interface: project manager: Computer no signal ? industrial designer:  I guess it'll have to wait for a bit . project manager: It could be marketing: Yeah , but rubber comes coloured , doesn't it ? You know . project manager: it's I would maybe it's like if you want titanium coloured or wood coloured , it's different . user interface: Or maybe maybe if you want some kind of pattern thing on it , project manager: Yeah , let's leave it as zero , 'cause it's easy . project manager: We we're definitely going to have to user interface: We have pushbuttons , industrial designer:  . project manager: so we've got pushbutton , and then we've user interface: scro we have scroll wheel as well . project manager: Scroll wheel with pushbutton we had , no ? industrial designer: No  we we have  yeah . user interface: Yeah , but what do we ha we have L_C_ display , but but the wh but the s spinning wheel project manager: But the the spinning wheel's not there . I have think maybe it's integrated with the L_C_ display ? user interface: Yeah . marketing: We've got more than one pushbutton though , user interface: Okay , let's yeah . project manager: marketing: haven't we ? project manager: I think the pushbutton oh . marketing: 'Cause then you have project manager: I don't know if that's one marketing: That means you can only have twenty five push buttons in total doesn't it ? Not counting anything , we'd still be in budget . industrial designer: Huh ? project manager: Push what  industrial designer: Wh wh what is the limit ?  . project manager: whether whether pushbutton means that p count by button or do we user interface: We have to count all of them , or yeah . industrial designer: No it says what what is the kind of interface , marketing: Well it doesn't , but it  project manager: No . industrial designer: if it is pushbutton then you got a zero point five , it's a scroll wheel so we we've put it's pushbutton and scroll wheel and L_C_D_ display , project manager: Yeah . marketing: Yeah , the sample sensor will have to go , 'cause that's the most expensive thing on there . marketing: But that's a bit of a gimmick anyway really , isn't it ? industrial designer:  and the locator also goes away . marketing:  does project manager: What else does it need ? user interface: Well the speaker  the sample speaker is is expensive , but we could just have some some very very easy device that just beeps . project manager: Yeah , 'cause the sample speaker was , I think , more complicated then just a beeping thing . project manager: Yeah , okay , so we industrial designer: A also i in the case I'm not sure that you will evaluate this as a curved surface , because it's just rubber , so it's probably a flat surface rubber . marketing: See , I was gonna say the scroll wheel pushbutton thing , 'cause project manager: Take it down to just a scroll wheel . We could do industrial designer: So tha that mean that we cannot press how do we how do we make a selection in  in the L_C_D_ ? user interface: Yeah , then then we would be in the b budget . industrial designer: If in the L_C_D_ we can scroll , right ? But how do we make a selection if we d cannot push the button . user interface: Yeah b no no , you can push this one , but we don't have a pushbutton  we ca we don't have this muting mechanism for this scrolling thing . industrial designer: it's it's the scroll wheel and I thought we were referring to this as a scroll spinning wheel and pushbutton thing . That's the spin wheel though , isn't it ? Didn't that come with the L_C_ project manager: That's with the L_C_ industrial designer: That comes with the L_C_D_ ? marketing: Yeah . marketing: Unless we just take off the scroll wheel altogether project manager: It's nothing n marketing: and just have pushbuttons for the volume . project manager: Yeah , marketing:  the scroll wheel's pretty cool , but project manager: I have industrial designer: Instead of scrolling here we have two buttons here , up for up and down . Oh look , we're way under budget and we'll make huge profits and we'll all get bonuses . marketing: Yeah , well we could admit to the single curve , couldn't we ? industrial designer: project manager: Or or that we have to have some sort of special colour . project manager: and then I'll take I can send it back to management and say we weren't quite sure about the colour , if that costs extra then we've still got some space for it , industrial designer: We have , yeah . industrial designer: Because we keep all the features , we keep voice recognition , we keep L_C_D_ display . marketing: We just got rid of a gimmick that was never anyway , industrial designer:  yeah . marketing: and the scroll wheel is  essentially the two buttons that was it's not a great difference I don't think . user interface: But yeah , it's it's not like sample speaker , but it will just beep , so we still have the locate . industrial designer: project manager: Tha user interface: Which colour , the the colour of the phone or the colour of the industrial designer: marketing: Oh the the beeper thing . project manager: 'Cause we we won't have run out of our pot of Play-Doh .  we need we've just got about ten minutes or so left of the meeting , so it would be good if we could just have a little talk about the project itself and how it went ,  so that we can feed back to the management for next time they're designing a product . project manager: Feedback ? Ideas ? user interface: Yeah  , as far as creativity is concerned , yeah I think there was there was room for creativity . The only the only problem being that at the end we had to cut some things down because of the the budget we had . industrial designer: I think  n one thing that was lacking  was that we did not know what the various things cost to begin with . marketing: If we'd had that sheet at the beginning should've been like , okay , so we can have that lot , let's just throw it together and do what we can . project manager: But in terms of the process of  going and working individually and then coming back to a meeting , that that worked in terms of . marketing: so you didn't st go off and think , wouldn't it be great to have a vibrating remote control shaped like a banana , project manager: industrial designer: marketing: and then , you know , come back three days later and Jen's going look , look , it vibrates and it looks like a banana . That would just be so cool , to d do all your notes and s project manager: Yeah , you could take it to lectures and just write stuff down industrial designer: Yeah yeah yeah , project manager: and have it printed out when you got back to the office . industrial designer: that's it's it's project manager: They great ? industrial designer: I wonder what one of these costs . project manager: Do you think they'd notice if one went ? marketing: I don't think you should say that was the recording . project manager: But that worked well having having a whiteboard that we could draw on as well as having the PowerPoint , 'cause the I find that the problem with PowerPoint often is that it's so static and you can't change it once you're in there , marketing: It is a bit limiting , isn't it ? industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: Yeah , and and and this time also the time limits but actually preparing the marketing: Yeah . marketing: you didn't have the whole whooshing thing , 'cause there wasn't time for that , so yeah . We could make some little user interface: But yeah , but  already just just preparing the slides before before the meeting , yeah . marketing: Are we supposed to say nice things about Jen now ? industrial designer: project manager: And presumably you don't you can say nasty things as well . project manager: Did anyone feel that they were getting sort of covered up and not being able to say their bit ? user interface: To express them   industrial designer:  . user interface: pretty novel solution for a for a remote control really , all this flipping open thing and project manager: Yeah . marketing: I don't know , I don't go shopping for remote controls that often , maybe somebody's already though of it . user interface: Yeah , neither neither do I , project manager: user interface: but I've never seen anything and and none of my examples were was was like this , actually , so . industrial designer: project manager: user interface: Yeah maybe w maybe we could have a patent on this one . marketing: I think we'd like to think the ideas were new , project manager: Banana remote . Vibrate user interface: marketing: Yeah , but that would just come up with like other things really wouldn't it . project manager: well within budget , including a little what have we got ? One Euro left over for bits that we didn't foresee . Were there any was there anything that you found difficult , or anything that didn't go as smoothly as you'd hope ? user interface: And my main difficulty was the the time pressure . industrial designer: I thought that was good though , because if you're given too much time then you got nothing to do with your time and  yeah . project manager: We've got about five minutes left , but if we've finished , then we've finished . industrial designer: We certainly are , project manager: and you should never drag a meeting on just because you have extra time . marketing: project manager: It was very productive day and marketing: We could draw animals on the board again . industrial designer: user interface: Oh , you don't like anim marketing: It's just minging . project manager: Right , so we have to complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary when they send it . industrial designer: Was there a questionnaire already sent ? project manager: I don't know if it's already sent or not . project manager:  presumably I have to marketing: Do we have to go back into the other room or can we stay in here now ? project manager: I don't see why you can't stay here , really <doc-sep>user interface: Are we doing the the speech recognition ? Because we didn't have enough time to  de  design the inside as well . project manager: Okay , just user interface: Yeah , just  we have to design the inside then , but it should be  industrial designer: Yeah , and Or are we making a slide open , like underneath ? Or fold open ? I don't know . project manager: Okay , so that's  I'll just have a look how much that is . industrial designer: The project manager: But  Okay , for the user interface: Advanced chip was for  spee Yeah . marketing: Means industrial designer: So you hold it like this in your right hand and project manager:  . user interface:  so I've industrial designer: Yeah , maybe maybe  you have to configure it . user interface: Yes , you need options to configure it , and after that you don't need 'em anymore . user interface: That's  industrial designer: Well we haven't had time to design that , the slide pad . user interface: We also don't know how many buttons are required , or what kind of buttons . marketing: user interface: So  the best place , the best reach place  on-off buttons , text buttons , mute buttons are together and at a place they easily are , easy to find . That way you don't have to make it red , 'cause it's will  will show up .  y you need to have more  one two th You've got one two three four five six seven eight nine . user interface: Okay yeah , they marketing: But you missed the no  the zero and  the two stripes . user interface: And also in the num-pads , there's also colour light behind it . project manager: And do you still can , do you still can choose what colour , kind of colour you want ? user interface: So when you pre Yeah . project manager: How do you want to implement that ? Just on the Maybe on the second level as well ? user interface: We're going to implement . industrial designer: All the non-basic are in project manager: Okay , just draw draw the second level , because we need that as well .  marketing: Okay , there is one  function I use  daily , and it's not on the basic functions . industrial designer: Okay , maybe we use this button for the marketing: That function must be Yeah , maybe Or you can  i  lay it  beneath in the  other  functions . project manager: Just just draw a second level one and say all options that are still left or something . industrial designer: Like a a new blank one or Or just here ? project manager: No no , just on Down there . marketing: And h how does the second level come out ? project manager: Just  if you s marketing:  it slides  along ? user interface:  slides I think . user interface: You can do it that it claps open , but I think that's not solid enough . marketing: Scart ? user interface: I think we can even put a We have one for the zero and one for the for the more digit  channels . user interface: So you have one left for the Right , the video channel , Play Station , etcetera . user interface: project manager: You want to save that file as well ? The drawing ? user interface: That was it . What else ? user interface:  ? industrial designer: What else ? user interface: What else ?  menu buttons with arrows . project manager: user interface: Well we don't have any , anything on how many buttons speech requires . marketing:  and and you can hold it , project manager: marketing: you can hold it , and then the colours switch or  multiple multiple buttons . That's   industrial designer: So did we miss anything ? user interface: Yeah , maybe some  some text next to the scroll wheel , that it is volume . marketing: Yeah , but project manager: No , ma on on o on the on the user interface: I just  The volume logo . marketing: there's one there's one text button I industrial designer: Oh wh Here ? project manager: Yeah . That's the one  that you use if you search for a page ,  like seven hundred ,  and it's counting from one hundred to two hundred , you will switch to your television and back to text . marketing: Did you think of that ? industrial designer: Yeah , but then you can switch back to normal telete teletext . You just switch it off and then user interface:  why not ? project manager: Yeah , just put it on those extra f extra function as well . And if you press it again , you get the the the user interface: I think  marketing: The sta the state you project manager: Oh just three stages , you industrial designer: through view . industrial designer: Yeah , b but but if you're in the second stage , the third stage is switch teletext off . If you if you turn teletext on , you you set the seven hundred , and you turn it off , then the next time you turn it on , it still stays on seven hundred ? project manager: Yes , that's to remember . project manager: Yeah , but that's that's  marketing: But maybe it's not the way user interface: I dunno if project manager: That's a functionality for the television . industrial designer: Yeah  nee  No , if i  the remote can send like the the code for seven hundred , page seven hundred to the television . industrial designer: Th i project manager: That's what what happening if you do it like that . So that's it ? project manager: Is this prich pretty much it , yeah ? marketing: Yeah , I I thought about one thing . marketing: Because  if you use it a couple of years , some  sometimes the numbers on the on the buttons are slide away , are  And maybe we can write the numbers below or above ? Or shall we just turn it on on the buttons ? user interface: I think just on the buttons . industrial designer:  I think just  user interface: If you do it abo above or below , it takes  more space .  well I looked in the reports  from the marketing strategy , or  of  the the the the the the new needs and  the market . We sh we we we can give it  a number , and then we can give ourself an average for our project manager: Okay . marketing: Yeah , the the the difference be between  beautiful and fancy  look-and-feel is  the the the outside  beautiful  like the iPod or something . And fancy's more like the   f the flashing lights and the colours and and that kind of stuff . user interface: If it's really  , if you can if you can get the iPod look , then it's beautiful , I think . project manager: But  marketing: And and what ki what kind of what kind of basic colours  were you thought  of ? industrial designer: Yeah beautiful's is also a matter of taste . user interface:  ? marketing: The basic colours are black or green or yellow ? user interface:  basic colours , marketing: Or you haven't thought about user interface:  yeah . marketing: Ho how do we make  user interface: Maybe  company colours ? project manager: It's black . marketing: Can project manager: Do we have yellow light ? No , not really , but it's possible . project manager: It's marketing: Black white , maybe ? user interface: Like white , also ni or  always nice . industrial designer: And what colours should the buttons be ? marketing:  Because  project manager: Yeah , different colours . industrial designer: But can you change those too , with  the switch ? project manager: No , no . marketing: Okay , so what  number do we give  a beautiful ? Beautiful is  really subjective ,  because it has to do lots with the colours . user interface: Well we have changeable fronts , so marketing: Changeable fronts , so ev for everyone for everyone it's something beautiful . marketing: So industrial designer: Are w are we changing  Or are they there  backlights on the slide panel too ? Or n no back light ? marketing: Slide panel ? industrial designer: Yeah ? project manager: No . industrial designer: And and the switch channel is  There is a back light too ? project manager: That as well , yeah . That's that's really fancy , but I don't know if it's reachable . industrial designer: And th and the the normal backlights also not the buttons , but behind the buttons . user interface: Yeah , w we've done a a lot of detail in light , so marketing: So I'll give it a project manager: Ye marketing: Yeah , and you can  also choose your light , so project manager: Yeah , this It is a one . project manager: This is a difficult one , because we we don't Yeah , we don't know it about the marketing: Learnable ? Easy to use ? Yeah , we shall test it But  project manager:  it's it's very easy to use , but  the second layer is not easy to use . project manager: It's That's industrial designer: No , but you don't have to use that . industrial designer: That's th that's the main thing that's so good about it . user interface: So I think it's easy to use , but And learnable is a bit marketing: Learnable ? It's not not as fast as a usual   remote control . marketing: Because because I think I think the scroll wheel ,  it's very handy , but the first time you get this thing in your hands , it's not to use the scroll wheel . user interface: Well y just  f marketing: I think  you must  seek for it , and up or down or project manager: But the rest of it is very easy , marketing:  then the re project manager: because there are so so n user interface: Yeah , I think it's very clear what it all does . user interface: But the second parts ,  like speech , etcetera , that will be harder to learn . project manager: So it is learnable  f i i In the first place it's very easy to use . user interface: It's Yeah it's marketing: But project manager: And I think its scrollwheel is u easy to use as well , if you have ever used  a different kind of  of  device . But we we've got the two so two  two or three  new things , huh ? user interface: Device . project manager: Okay , just Easy to use is very cool , marketing: I I think it a three or something . Learnable's project manager: No , but definitely better , much better than  than  than avera average , yeah . industrial designer: And the one you showed is just all buttons and you don't know user interface: Yep , true . project manager:  I already have a V_C_R_ and it's about from nineteen eighty eight . user interface: But also slide that buttons come out , as well ? industrial designer: project manager: Yeah . marketing: Is that new ? project manager: Yeah for a  for a f marketing: The lighting's new . user interface: Different colours , so marketing: Yeah , different fronts for a remote control , I think that's new too . marketing: So we have a pretty new  project manager: There are no games on it , that's that's It's not a one , it's a two again . user interface: That would And we didn't  marketing: It's it's it's not not L_C_D_ or something . project manager: If you have user interface: We are forgetting about that now , but project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: Yeah , we didn't draw that too , but user interface: But that's more like  now . project manager: If you Can you save it on the same , in the same map as the other ones ? In the the project  map ? user interface:  Just save , save as ? project manager: Yeah . And new features , so we give it a two or also again a one ? No , I think i if you have games on it , then then you give you have a one .  we are the targeted audience ? Do we like it ? marketing: No , we we we searched for   a young group , audience , beneath f forty . Yeah , but did we reach ,  with our  style , the targeted audience ? project manager: I think so , yeah . project manager: So you want industrial designer: We've got a one for fancy look-and-feel , and that's what attracts the young audience . marketing:  the only point is that we don't  have   That's that's That's this question . user interface: You can different front  marketing:  yeah , th So we had we  have  a fruit  project manager: So industrial designer: Like a a f banana kind of front . marketing: That's  project manager: It's marketing: What's the average ? industrial designer: Eleven divided by six . project manager: Oh yeah , that's still user interface:  marketing: Call industrial designer: Yeah , but  we have to make a speaker then too . marketing: That's Yeah , but it industrial designer: But we can we can do it  underneath the logo . user interface: Yeah , th the speaker is very small as well , right ? industrial designer: Yeah , okay . 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The Project Manager and Industrial Designer had a discussion about the second layer of the remote, with the Project Manager expressing concerns about its complexity, but the Industrial Designer reassured that users wouldn't need to pay much attention to it. The group unanimously agreed that the scroll wheel was superior to average remotes, giving it a score of two on this criterion. They also agreed that the remote scored highly in terms of locatability, initially assuming it would be intuitive. However, the Industrial Designer mentioned that it might take some time for people to get used to the scroll wheel as it was a new technology. The Marketing team believed that its usage was obvious. As a result, the group decided to give an average score of five for this criterion.
What is the final conclusion on the discussion about the criteria of ease of use, learnability, and intuitiveness when evaluating the product?