 , on the agenda for this , for this particular meeting , we'll have your three presentations on what you've done since our last meeting , after we came up with  some general ideas of our design . And , then we have to make some key decisions on , on our remote control concept , and how we're gonna make it , what  materials we're gonna use , and that sort of thing . I've been doing some research into the different components that we could use ,  what's available to us f to actually make the remote control .  , first of all we have to look at how the remote control is actually made , and what is it happens inside the casing , which is more your field .  , thes main internal feature is a circuit board , which contains all the elec electronics and also the contacts with the power source .  , there are several components of , the circuit board that we need to consider , where we'll be getting them from , what they'll be made of .  , diodes , transistors , resonators , resistors , and capacit capacitors all need to be considered as well . project manager:  Are they all included , like mandatorily , or r are these different options ? industrial designer: these , they're all different options , they're all separate , apart from the chip , which we will probable decide whether we buy a simple , a regular , advanced .  , all the other things are individual components that we'd have to get in separately , and work out the most , like , effective  circuit , including all the wires and everything like that . And the L_E_D_ of course , that's a light emitting diode . So , we could , so we've got flex flexibility with colours and things , with that as well . We could use a basic battery , but that brings with it , like they need to be recharged and the bulk , the size of it as well . There's a hand-powered dynamo which is a sort of thing that was used for torches fifty years ago . project manager:  What is a hand-powered dynamo ? industrial designer: where you manually charge up the power . project manager: Just every , every once in a while ? industrial designer: Like you wind up something . marketing: industrial designer: Whereas kinetic energy is a new idea that's being used by some watches and other devices , where you just shake the device and it gives it power .  , or there's solar power , which we've been considering inside a building , which is where it's gonna be used , might not be quite so useful .  , lots of considerations for the case , like what sort of shape it would be , curved or flat . I know I've had a remote control before which you couldn't tell which was the front and the back , user interface: industrial designer: 'cause it had so many buttons on , and the shape was so symmetrical that I'd be pressing like a volume button instead of the on button . industrial designer: we also can choose what materials  , the we could use metal , we could use rubber which might be more  ideal for the anti-R_S_I_ . It's like the same sort of rubber that's used in stress balls and things like that , so it's very like soft , not so stressful on your hands . user interface: industrial designer: I don't think that's quite up to date with what we're looking for here . We've developed some we've got some good advances in technology , with our research team have found some  new multiple  option scroll buttons . I think that was brought up for , they're basically quite a flexible design , modern , you don't have to use individual buttons . It , it industrial designer: project manager: we would have to have an L_C_D_  industrial designer: Yeah . We're going on to that later with the advanc with the L_C_D_ that means we'd need a really advanced chip . industrial designer: also we've got the integrated pushbutton , which is what we're most familiar with . It's not been seen before , so it could be quite a , a novelty factor , attractive as well . And also energy saving 'cause you're producing the energy , you don't need an external sort of battery supply or solar panels . industrial designer: Rubber casing I thing would probably the best , if we're going for the anti-R_S_I_ and like more choice with  aesthetics . And probably the regular chip as opposed to the simple , marketing: industrial designer: then we could possibly have the scroll and the push , but no L_C_D_ , 'cause we probably can't afford that one .  , one concern with the rubber casing is that it would be rubber encapsulating all of these chips and diodes and delicate technology as industrial designer: Another thing is it might be more difficult if it's a rubber exterior talking about putting on interchangeable plates . project manager: I don't see how a like a rubber plate going on top it would stay there . industrial designer: Maybe if the , if it was just kind of a , more of a rubber coating which was on to a case . user interface: W industrial designer: So , it was kind of , the whole thing would be removable . user interface: Well , there's , there is a certain phone that has like a rubber casing , project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: you can get sort of outer casing for iPods and something , that's just it's protective as well . industrial designer: it would reduce the impact if it was dropped or something , as well , 'cause it wouldn't damage itself so easily . I , is it possible to put designs onto this type of rubber ? industrial designer: As far as I know . industrial designer: I thought that was project manager: But I think that it's worth it , kinetety , kinetic  user interface: Yeah , tha marketing: user interface: marketing: I guess it's a bit scary 'cause it hasn't been done before . marketing: Yeah so there's there is a one battery , because most remotes use two batteries I believe . marketing: So , if it was running off of one battery as a user interface: That would be good yeah . user interface: Maybe we could you were saying about  solar power ma maybe not working indoors , but a lot of calculators , yeah , have solar power . user interface: So maybe that could be incorporated as industrial designer: May maybe that could be the backup . user interface: Do , do those calculators industrial designer: s but some marketing: So , if we're doing user interface: yeah . If we're industrial designer: But thing is , it's not you don't need the solar all the time . It can be like you can have the solar energy and then it can store that energy and use it . industrial designer: I suppose it would be really annoying if you get to think , oh no , I forgot to charge my remote today . industrial designer: Like if the kinetic thing , I think what's best about that is that it's instant energy . industrial designer: You don't have to , you know , you can shake it a few times , or whatever . Instead of you don't have to like make sure it's in the right place to charge and . It's the aspects of a computer system which can be seen or otherwise perceived , for example , heard or felt maybe , or by the human user . There's the graphical user interface , which emphasises the use of pictures for output and a pointing device , for example a mouse for input control . I'm not really sure about the pictures that maybe that's on an L_C_D_ screen . user interface: Do you think it's project manager: Yeah , 'cause industrial designer: So I suppose sometime project manager: I'm sorry ? industrial designer: after you . user interface: project manager: because command interface requires you to type textual commands and input at a keyboard , so the numbers are sort of like a keyboard . user interface: So you must , for the graphical user you must need some kind of presentation for the graphics . industrial designer: I s I suppose where   on some buttons you would have like the power would be s some kind of symbol . industrial designer: I know we're not having that , but  a similar thing , user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: you , they have there's a like little picture with a screen with lines across it , which I suppose it's that sort of thing like the , the symbol on the button . industrial designer: But if we're having a simplified display anyway , w that , we probably won't have to focus so much on that . project manager: Yeah , we'll be doing industrial designer: It'll be more the on the numbers and the volume . It'd be more a command interface , and then industrial designer: I suppose we need to think of symbols for like the volume , display , and stuff like that . marketing: So it's just draf graphical for the pointing aspect ? industrial designer: I marketing: The infrared is like , that's considered a project manager:  ? user interface: No I think it's to do with the actual symbols that are on the , that's on the buttons of the remote control , and per marketing: Okay . So when it says pointing device that doesn't include industrial designer: For inp user interface: Well it could be a wee scroller thing , and something could come up on the screen . user interface: But  I think we're gonna go with the command interface anyway , project manager: Yeah . project manager: What do you mean ? user interface: Like I can't think of an example , but Sort of like little pictures rather than project manager: Oh yeah , like how the buttons user interface: Like a little sound . project manager: So , it's a keyboard in the shape of it , right ? user interface: Yeah m perha yeah . user interface: the co  we've decided that the command interface would be the most useful for a remote control .  , the remote control would be cheaper to design , so that we'd have more money in the budget to , target the design area of the interface .  We , we also have to keep in mind when we're designing our , more user-friendly remote control , that a lot of interfaces consist of a clutter of buttons , that , that their functions , colours and forms aren't always helpful . So , that doesn't improve the use of the produ product , so we need to come up with something that's easy to understand . user interface: Does anyone have any questions ? project manager: Do you think that we should keep all the buttons to one same colour , just to keep it , give it a simplistic look . marketing: so and , and we might , depending on what comes out of the design , we might have to stick to just black buttons . user interface: But  project manager: But what about the lighting up effect ? marketing: You mean different colours for the lighting or project manager: well , I thought we had  decided that we would if you touched one of the buttons they'd all light up . industrial designer: So there would have to , have to be some parts maybe transparent around the buttons , or something . user interface: In the phone that I was thinking of as well , when you change the  covers of it , the , the little buttons that actually , you know , that contro control stuff , are behind the rubber . project manager: If it's flat then , like o like on a cellphone or a mobile phone , it's like all very flat , and you just have to sort of press down on these tiny little buttons , but user interface: Yeah . 'Cause if it's just like constructed in the same way as like the front cover of a mobile phone . I don't think it would matter that the buttons were bigger through the , the top casing . I'm sure you could f work it out to fit in the casing , without causing too much difficulty .  , the first one is that there should be a fancy look-and-feel , instead of the current functional look-and-feel . So , I think we've done a lot of talking about that , just with lighting and the buttons and the face-plates . And the recent fashion update , according to fashion-watchers in Paris and Milan , is that fruit and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes , shoes and furniture .  , also , in contra  in contrast to last year , the feel of the material is expected to be spongy .  So , my personal preferences here ,  of course , as we , we've already talked about the personal face-plates in this meeting , and I'd like to stick to that . The fruits and vegetable themes , I don't know if that's going to work for us . marketing: So maybe we I've seen a lot of purses with olives on them , you know . marketing: But I I think , I think if we stick to T_V_ based , you know , maybe T_V_ shows , or project manager: But they still need to  fit into people's decor though .  we don't have to make something in the shape of a strawberry , but it could have the curves of a strawberry , or something . industrial designer: Or just like you know really make it a quite abstract , if that's fits in more with what we're doing . It doesn't s quite fit in with the trendy well , obviously it does , if that's the current theme . user interface: marketing: industrial designer: But may maybe we could go more directly , I don't know . marketing: One thing I was thinking though is project manager: marketing: I dunno if you all remember from our kickoff meeting , we talked about our favourite animals . marketing: that might be getting , you know , too specific , and we should see what the success of the first face-plates are . marketing: And , did you have any questions ? Pretty straightforward ? project manager: Yeah  industrial designer: Yeah . Have you guys been saving your PowerPoint presentations to the industrial designer: I didn't for the first one . project manager: Does anyone know how to take it out of  , user interface: Just escape I think . industrial designer: Or do we just project manager: But would a backup really be necessary ?  will people just use the battery if there's no , if there's , industrial designer: I think maybe we could just go for the kinetic energy , project manager: if there is backup . industrial designer: I think project manager: There's like no reason why it wouldn't work , right ? industrial designer: yeah . industrial designer: Is everyone happy with that ? marketing: So if it's not working they just have to shake it a bit and that revitalises it ? project manager: Yeah . And that linked in with what buttons we would gonna have , so project manager: Right , and we were going for more simplistic style , right ? industrial designer: Yeah , it was user interface: Yeah . project manager: I think we decided on the pushbuttons , right ? industrial designer: so that's the simple . project manager: Would we need a more advanced one for  the lighting , the interior lighting system ? industrial designer: Yeah possibly . project manager: Yeah ? industrial designer: So , it's probably gonna be the regular chip that we're going to need .  , does this , is this dependent on shape , or what it's made of , or what ? industrial designer: So th I think this is just like gonna be the a very outer case , which we will decide on rubber . I , I I'm sorry , I've lost my  PowerPoint thing , so I can't remember what it's ca it's the component industrial designer: Your screen ? marketing: Think it was called command interface . What's that all about ? user interface: I think that is marketing: project manager: user interface: well we haven't really made any decisions about what we're gonna do about the cluster of button functions , colours and forms , in the in consistent use . Like what what are ideas to combat these problems ? project manager:  user interface: You know how  different interfaces are very different , and can be confusing because because of their difference , and because of the different clusters of buttons that they have . project manager: what are our choices here ? user interface: Well it's just  w where where shall we locate the buttons . What kind of functions wi shall we have ? project manager: You mean like we'll have the numbers of the channels , and we'll have the channel-changer , and volume , and power ? industrial designer: The power . Like I don't know if we should go into like adjusting light levels , things like that , because different televisions will have industrial designer: May yeah . industrial designer: Yeah , it was minima marketing: Do you remember that ? industrial designer: well , it wasn't the l project manager: Yeah , it was hardly ever used really . Yeah , and surely that would be like quite specific to the individual television , user interface: Yeah , each television . I think most of that comes like on the i individual television set itself , user interface: You don't change that often , yeah . industrial designer: doesn't it ? I'm sure it has its own buttons , so you don't necessarily need to have it on remote . project manager: Like we , I don't know if we can make a remote that would be universal to all the different kinds of industrial designer: Yeah . industrial designer: So we're just going for power , channels , volume , project manager: Volume . Some T_V_s will have the option of like living room style , movie style ,  user interface: Yeah . marketing: and that , they say that's used zero point eight times an hour , which is actually somewhat high . user interface: It w it would seem silly if we'd having anything else , just have an audio button though . project manager: Yeah , user interface: Do you know ? project manager: I don't , I it's , it's a problem with the international  appeal , I think . user interface: But we industrial designer: I've marketing: Yeah I guess that it affects the marketing , 'cause it ,  it is a good sales ploy to say , aren't you annoyed with remote controls that have all these buttons . project manager: Yep , and  the user interface design , so this is where the trendy stuff comes in . user interface: project manager: And , your personal coach will give you the rest of the information of what needs to happen . So , anyone else have something to say ? industrial designer: I just have one question about the whole fruit and vegetable aspect . industrial designer: Are we seeing as that was the most popular thing that came up out of your market research , I thi I think we should keep to that rather than moving to animals or something , because even if that may not seem obvious to us , if that's what the surveys brought out , I think that we should probably go along with that . But you're happy to go ahead with the fruit and veg ? marketing: Now do you guys need want an idea of how many  are you gonna come up with casing ideas ? industrial designer: Y Yeah . user interface: What I What I was thinking what do yous think of this ?  , having the numbers kind of like , not a bunch of grapes , but you know like purple and kind of in a triangle . user interface: That's just industrial designer: We can have a look at those ideas , yeah . marketing: So it's a something that will , you know , appeal to the fifteen to twenty five year olds <doc-sep>project manager: and we will have three presentations and we'll have to decide on the remote control concept and finally we'll close the decision . So I will first  marketing: No y you do the minutes first , or ? project manager: What ? marketing: No ? project manager: I I think I will let  our User Interface Designer speak first , Mister David Jordan . The second concept is a fancy controller ,  so we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive ,  they can easy recognise our controller among a lot of products , so so the u the user f the the u user interface should be very very cute , very very g  industrial designer:  . industrial designer: marketing: user interface: Yeah , it's very , you know project manager: It's very big , user interface: if you're project manager: yeah . marketing: user interface: It's hard f i it's easy for you to remember it . user interface: so maybe we should  use   technology , such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology , so we need to have coop some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and  gesture recognition . project manager: I just have one question , because for the intelligent controller , you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition , user interface: Yeah . project manager: but as the  expert told us , most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t to zap between channels . Do you think they will be able to use gestures ? user interface: Yeah , so project manager: Because , if they do all the time the same gesture , as you said previously in the last meeting , maybe they will get injuries because of that ? user interface: Y marketing: industrial designer: Yeah . project manager: or if you say channel three channel three two three four six five , I think they will be bored after a while . You don't think so ? user interface:  I think some time it's very  convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button . user interface: For example , if you cannot find your  controller , you can just  just just  speak something such as , yeah , one two . project manager: I industrial designer: Oh yeah , that's a good that's a good point , so . industrial designer: marketing: Yeah but how how is how risky is it to trust like speech recognition or gesture recognition ? project manager: Broken arm ? user interface: For limited vocabulary speech recognition is very reliable and for s limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also very marketing: Okay . project manager: Yeah , but suppose you have a family watching T_V_ , and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time , do you think it will work ? Everybody wanting to change channel in the same time ? user interface: Yeah . project manager: If you have one brother and one sister marketing: Yeah project manager: and they want to watch their favourite  T_V_ programme , marketing: Yeah , but the project manager: so they say oh channel four channel three channel four channel three all the time , industrial designer: Yeah but Yeah user interface: Yeah , it's very interesting . industrial designer: but the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control marketing: Yeah . project manager: Yeah , marketing: I don't think it project manager: but you have the remote control , so maybe you can keep it f with you . marketing: Oh , okay , okay , you mean it could be a problem for this kind of stuff . Even you h you have the controller , I can I can say channel three , industrial designer: It's it's marketing: No . user interface: so it's c come to channel three , marketing: No , but this is disadvant disadvantage . user interface: I don't have to project manager: Yeah , I think it's a disadvantage . industrial designer: And mayb maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to project manager: Yeah , but one other question . marketing:  if you if if you use the basic user interface: No no we just  have some cooperation with some research institute , we don't have to do some basic research on this field . project manager: So you think it won't cost an Not a lot for us ? Or ? user interface: Yeah , I think it's  because  this technology is   for limited wor or limited wor  lexical recognition , it's very project manager: Yeah , but   user interface: it's  yeah . It's marketing: But it's it's changing how the remote control is gonna be built . industrial designer: Well y y you have also the language problem , user interface: No it's  Even for the f  because the the vocabulary the industrial designer: you know when you project manager: project manager: Yeah , but there is one problem that  Baba talked about is the international industrial designer: Yeah . If you want to go to England , it will be able to understand English , user interface: Yeah . user interface: Yeah , the key , the key  the key of our the key feature of our controller is that it's it has some some  adaptation marketing: Yeah , this could be downloaded by the web maybe , or industrial designer: Yeah but you know . It's It's it means when you when you sell this controller in China it's can recognise Chinese . industrial designer: It's a very smart , it's a very smart controller maybe project manager: okay . user interface: Yeah , project manager: And with no increase in the pri production price of the remote control ? user interface: it's industrial designer: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah . project manager: Yeah , but how will you user interface: So industrial designer: Yeah but the problem is how to s you know if this is a push button controller , you can send this con this remote control everywhere in the world , the same one . industrial designer: because  the for example for Se user interface: Even for each f for even for different family we have to do d yeah we would we have to do adaptation to industrial designer: Oh really ? That's project manager: Oh . marketing: but then w Yeah , industrial designer: Comple user interface: No , it's not so complex . marketing: we have to take care of the twelve Euros project manager: And what about voice recognition , do we have microphones ? marketing: problem . project manager: And where will be they ? Do you think if we're far from television it will work ? user interface: No no no it's not I think that's n that's not a problem because you you don't have to wear a microphone . industrial designer: project manager: Yeah , but we're marketing: No , but then it's it's like this  project manager: here it's  an object . project manager: Yeah , but wha what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li like this , if you have an object . user interface: Yeah yeah just you just put the controller here , then you industrial designer: I if you say one , he switch to channel , user interface: you use your command project manager: Yeah , industrial designer: yeah . user interface: No no it's n y if you lose it industrial designer: So well for example if it is somewhere in the room if i maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s channel one and the t the remote control gives the order to the T_V_ to switch to channel one . project manager: Okay you so you can build a kind of black box industrial designer: Devic project manager: and put it on T_V_ and just to recognize gestures and voice . Or is it do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition ? Or you you still have the possibility to use buttons ? user interface: think it we should give the  flexibility to the user and we think marketing: Okay , so you project manager: Yeah , user interface: yeah . user interface: No , project manager: And maybe it will be quite user interface: that's quite inter quite attractive . industrial designer: But I think that , you know , switching from one country to to another will be a problem , so although y y user interface: Well , if you do language adaptation , there should be no problem . marketing: What ? project manager: Which kind of controller would you prefer to use , you as a remote control user ? marketing: If if  ,  I'm sure if the user pays the same price , he's happy to have recognition . industrial designer: Yeah , but marketing: But if if if it like doubles  industrial designer: I think he need a control that is very reliable , marketing: no one would would be interested . project manager: So I think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller and to stay with the Google controller or a fancy controller . user interface: project manager: Just want to have something controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller , easy to use , sophisticated and fancy . You think it's possible ? user interface: Yeah but if if you stick to  stick to the first two parts . So what's the difference between our controller with other products in the market ? There's no k features of our controller , so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features ? industrial designer: Yeah . No , user interface: Would y would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some some function inside it that marketing:  industrial designer: It's not really the we marketing: Y industrial designer: we can add for example some function like for browsing in internet , so or something like that . But  I think a user need user interface: Yeah , you y that's a fun that's not the function of the controller , that's a function of T_V_ . You can replace your T_V_ with a new T_V_ with internet browsing function , marketing: No , user interface: but marketing: but you need you need new remote controller then . Because if you wanna browse internet or , I don't know , if you wanna type something , industrial designer: Don't have a the the Yeah user interface: Okay . user interface: But it's not the only the problem only the issue of controller , it's it's also the issue of the T_V_ . industrial designer: Because the p the problem I can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh what can happen in a family i i for example if marketing: Cause for example yeah . user interface: Yeah , but we do we do we we we cannot rely one hundred percent on these features to u to use the controller , marketing: Yeah . project manager: Yeah , but  we want so user interface: but with the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it , your mobile , but you when you choose a new mobile , you choose the one with voice recognition . user interface: the feature is not one hundred percent reliable , but it's a feature to distinguish our product from our from other products . project manager: Yeah , but w we we want something th that works all the time , every day , every hour , for everyone . industrial designer: And for all the person of the family maybe , user interface: Yeah ,  project manager: You don't need to tune it . user interface: Yeah , if if if if you're if you ar if you already have a product it works one hundred percent reliable , would you replace it with another one ? project manager: Yeah , why not ? If it's marketing: for example the goo y industrial designer: Because you have new marketing: you say we would we would to have a Google-like controller . marketing: I don't see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like Google . marketing: so I I guess if can have a remote control that is really basic , simple and works fine , it's already a lot . marketing:  thi this  , the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition user interface: The then nn marketing: or user interface: no . marketing: if he has something that works fine and is really fancy , looks nice and it's easy easy to use , easy to use . user interface: But the there's there's n there's n not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one if there's no key feature in the new controller . marketing: See user interface: That's the same marketing: That's the problem , user interface: yeah .  , I I know it's more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever . marketing: But you have to think , the user is the one who gonna buy the product user interface: Yeah . project manager: Two ? industrial designer: Yeah , participant two  project manager: Working ? industrial designer: Yeah , working design , user interface: industrial designer: so . marketing: industrial designer: So I think project manager: I can industrial designer: Can you go to the next one ? I  it's not this one . industrial designer: It's  oth the oth so I marketing: industrial designer: It's the working design . project manager: It's okay industrial designer: So this yeah so this is the described use project manager: industrial designer: What ? Are you inst project manager:  I think there's something wrong with your user interface: It did didn't r receive it . project manager: It seems that we have a problem with the marketing: I dunno if you remember what you had to say or industrial designer: I can say it to you without . project manager: Yeah , so user interface: Yeah , maybe we can first come to project manager: No , I think it will be more interesting to start with  user interface:  to Frahan . With Frahan , then you can prepare your slides , marketing: I think it's more interesting what he says , project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: exac marketing: project manager: You will had s some more information in industrial designer: Okay . industrial designer: I s because i in my presentation I don't have here with user interface: project manager: Okay , never mind . industrial designer: so It was in fact the design use to show you the design of what is inside a what is inside and what are the different component of the r user interface: Okay . So it will be interesting so I could show you some some picture of what is inside user interface: Okay . So I in fact the the f something I want to discuss is which kind of material are we going to use , project manager: industrial designer: so will it will be wooden wooden di wooden remote control or a a plastic remote control like this one . industrial designer: so it can be some , you know , classic pushbutton like this one , or you have also some button like L_C_D_ where you know , the button the buttons are unlighted during the night , project manager: industrial designer: And the other thing I want to discuss also is which kind of alimentation , electric alimentation do you want to have , so will it be for example  d  solar energy alimentation user interface: -huh . And I think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have  both of them , so so for example in some country where you are in the the countryside and you are far from , you know , the cities  for example in some place in in S Senegal , so if you have electric if you have solar alimentation , you just , when you want to have recharger or remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come user interface: industrial designer: and so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of remote con It can be something interesting to make people buy it , for example . project manager: Yeah , I think it's an added value to the remote control industrial designer: Yeah . project manager: and maybe it can attract all the ecological k yeah consumers industrial designer: Ecologists , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . project manager: and but about the the price of adding this solar battery , would it be something really that will increase the price of production more , industrial designer: project manager: no ? industrial designer: Alrigh In fact , having them both will if we want to have battery , regular battery and and the solar energy battery it could be it'll it will add a little bit of the price , project manager: So . project manager: And what tha what about the  materials ? industrial designer: And the materials , it depends for example you if you have a wooden material it can be more the plastic material is more common project manager: Impersonal , industrial designer: it's very resistant but , you know , something wooden will be like , I don't know high cl so a special high class , project manager: Yeah . marketing: Special for industrial designer: or you know , you can have some project manager: Yeah , and i if you we want to put fashion in electronics maybe we can try to do something with wood . industrial designer: Yeah , even if it is not completely wood , but just a part of the , you know , will be wooden , in wood user interface: industrial designer: And so the last point is y also would do you want to have some very cheap integrated cir circuits , chips , or do you have low level or or very very expensive , it depends , but I think that low level will be , you know , it is an interim module . project manager: Yeah , we want something easy to use and so I think maybe something very low level wou would be enough . project manager: And you think that we will be industrial designer: Yeah , I think it will fit on the price we want , twel twelve Euros , project manager: Okay . industrial designer: project manager: And what about the buttons ? industrial designer: I think the buttons I pr I prefer , you know , the L_C_D_ you know lighted buttons because , you know , it's I don't know  yeah , in the dark , it's fashion project manager: No it's fashion , yeah . industrial designer: and it's related to how beautiful it is or  if you want to watch T_V_ in the darkness or if you want to lo find your find your your remote control that is lost , you know in the darkness it's very easy so , right . industrial designer: I think a touch screen will be t as expensive as the L_C_D_ buttons so .  , I think so , just Yeah , so just to meet the user requirements I would just do a s short anal analysis of the remote control market and to kind of  have a better overview of what's the fashion in general I've checked more than only the remote control market , so next . project manager: marketing: So again , it's pretty much similar to what I've said in the previous meeting . Like the one you've shown , David , with all the buttons and  i i it sounds good technically user interface:  . marketing: but it's it's not what they want and  So , second point is they still want it it to be technologically innovative , so maybe it's sort of related to what you've said with the speech recognition and so on . Wha what we really see this year is that  everything from clothes to shoes and furniture is is inspired by fruits and vegetables , industrial designer: Ah yes . marketing: okay , so I think we really have to take this into account for the design of the the thing . And then  if if we take the ordering or the ranking of all the points , fancy look and feel has , on a score of seven would have six as importance . marketing: So we see fancy look an look and feel is the most important one , and then if we combine this with the fashion  from Milan and Paris industrial designer: And fruit and vegetables yeah . And the other point I haven't mention is people wan want to have a spongy touch , industrial designer: Spongy 'Kay . industrial designer: Yeah , but the problem is which kind of material do you need to to be spongy ? marketing: Yeah thi this is this would be like  industrial designer: Pla S marketing: plastic-like , but rubber , mayb maybe , you know , rubber-like  industrial designer: Very stuff Okay , rubber rubber desi okay , yeah . marketing: Okay , tha tha that was the main point , I think , from the trend in fashion . So , as you say you want something technologically innovative , maybe using solar energy and with battery would be something interesting , industrial designer: Yeah . project manager:  cheap imprint so you s you propose low level chips would be  enough to have something working well . industrial designer: user interface: marketing: industrial designer: No wood but Plastic ? marketing: Maybe not no wood , but  ma maybe not the part you touching you know . industrial designer: Would some user interface: Pla project manager: Maybe you industrial designer: I think we can have wood for example in the bottom and , you know . marketing: But still y project manager: Th The feeling is natural , industrial designer: Yeah , it's natural marketing: Yeah . industrial designer: And it can be correlated to energy , solar energy , so for the marketing aspect , you know , saying that it's ecol marketing: Yeah ,  it's not exactly right for the spongy point of view . marketing: But we could maybe have both like part of wood and some rubber for the buttons , industrial designer: Okay . project manager:  and what about the user interface concept ? industrial designer: Google and project manager: Google and fancy ? industrial designer: and fancy , f how about the the voice ? And project manager: Because I think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some disadvantages with this . industrial designer:  maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they're interested user interface:  yes . industrial designer: But and the problem is I I'm we can infer i if you have v voice control why not to put it directly on the the T_V_ , so speak directly to the T_V_ and you don't need a remote control actually , project manager: Yeah , industrial designer: so . industrial designer: But it will be embedded on the T_V_ and not on the remote control , so . project manager: So maybe we'll just focus on the Google controller plus the fancy controller , marketing: I dunno . project manager: maybe try to mix them these two concepts together , just in one and do a remote control with solar energy and batteries and with lev low level chips and wood . project manager: Yeah , I think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult to add . And pf what can we think a supplement to marketing: What interface ? project manager: Yeah , for the interface something added value . It is just , you know , it is not the most important , but it can be a part of project manager: With a module ? You mean the remote control with a mur module if you want you can just use industrial designer: Yeah , yeah . So the next meeting will start in thirty meeti minutes so we'll you will all have to work in in your direction . So you will have to work on the look and feel design , to have the easy to use , powerful and fancy remote control with some added value such as the  simple vocal commands recognition . project manager:  you will have to work more , Baba , on the  spongy way to to add spongy  touch to the buttons industrial designer: expensive buttons Yeah , to make some new project manager: and try to find maybe a nice shape for the wooden remote control . project manager: And remember as as I said last meeting , we really have to build a fashion remote control and  the colour of the  the society will be really it will be seen in the remote control . project manager: So you will have Baba and David Jordan you will have to work together on the prototype and you will have next time to show us  modelling a cl a clay remote control , user interface: Yeah . Yep project manager: And I think that some specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach <doc-sep>project manager: So  who has the fir do you ha Anna do you have your presentation ready ? marketing: I have a presentation , I'm just making this industrial designer: Yeah I think yeah the Matthew it is it's important that Matthew yeah is here project manager: Okay . Ah industrial designer: because it's really a a team  project with a team project manager: there is Matthew . industrial designer: user interface: So project manager: So did you manage  user interface: Yeah I sent you the slides , you didn't see them ? project manager: Oh yes I see him , good yes . Okay so this is just a presentation on  the trends that we're gonna use to make the product stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment .  can I just put this on ? So we have to work out a way what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so people wanna buy it . We basically used  some focus group surveys which I went through with you last time , the main results of that , and  some research on the current design  and fashion trends that are out there at the moment  , industrial designer: marketing: and as part of this The important aspects that came out were things that we've already discussed really . Most people find remote controls boring at the moment , we need to have something that looks interesting , that looks exciting , that will stand out .  That was twice as i important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative has to have something else , apart from just the look of it . Third on the list , and again innovative was twice as important as this last  aspect , it has to be easy to use . So they have to be able to be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it  . This is basically talking about just the the feel of it , so probably not the smell of it , but the bright colours ,  eye-catching , really bold designs , and a spongy feel . marketing:  I had a talk to the design people about this , but having a remote that's tactile , that feels different , that would be really cool . industrial designer: So can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said ? project manager: Spongy feel ? industrial designer:  about the feeling yeah  yo marketing: Well user interface: You can marketing: ma make it not necessar sp spongy is the current thing . Spongy is the current texture , but basically there are no reports no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all , so if we make it like maybe furry or soft or something , that'll be something that sets it apart , industrial designer: Okay . marketing: So as far as the design goes , the very most important aspect was the design , to the customers . So going with the fruit and vegetable idea , we've got the bright colours , so makes it stand out , the oranges and the the bright yellows and the florescent colours , part of the fruit and vegetables  . Going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones , they've all got those a lot of them have the changeable covers , so they can choose what colour the outside is . marketing: So if it's part of the the changeable covers then may maybe they can choose a different texture , a spongy one or a soft one or something like that . So they can choose it li as they want to to maybe to fit in with their decor in their living room , or just what they like , their sports team or whatever . marketing:  and yeah , still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so functionality , the way the mobile phones work , the way the keypad looks . People put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that , and we can start using some of their ideas .  we talked about having a way of finding a remote control if it's been lost ,  that's one thing we could look at . There are other aspects like L_C_D_ screens and speech recognition which weren't I don't think , in my personal opinion , gonna be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them . I had no real specific ideas for this , maybe we just , the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe , by themselves , project manager:  . Yes well marketing: and then project manager: maybe Matthew can can give some more information on the marketing: yeah user interface: Yeah . marketing: and then th th the finer details of buttons you don't use as much either hidden away or completely separate .  marketing: So does anyone have any comments or ideas on that ? I think you project manager: Maybe we yes well we maybe can decide later on  the l the the look and feel of  I've it was a good idea maybe to to industrial designer: To let the people choose , you mean ? project manager: Yes the the the there are changeable covers , industrial designer: Yeah . project manager: but on the other hand I I don't know whether my superiors would be so glad with it because you have to introduce a complete   new l line of  of supplies marketing:  . project manager:  it would be  very complicated  organisational industrial designer: marketing: Well we're selling so many units of this . This is gonna be a mass marketed product , we can afford to have two or three different designs at least . industrial designer: Sure that fits the project manager: Yes and of course it will be a we we get a if it works we can get  after-sales marketing:  . project manager: That's a very good idea  And then  maybe  we can go a th Matthew's presentation because user interface: Yeah marketing: user interface: s project manager: the user interface: then we could discuss later like we can put all ideas together . project manager: because you ma might have some some information on the the easy to use , industrial designer: Yeah yeah I agree . user interface: so  Okay so m so then the the idea of  having a remote is generally you have  different keys and  different structures , different forms , and  they could be like buttons and  they could be of  a varying sizes if you want to to  basically emphasize a particular key more than the other , and  maybe like you can have different colours for example having the r red for the on off switching on and off the button . user interface: So what I have found was that  currently  the they are mostly that the T_V_ , V_C_R_ , music system operated ones actually , and they are very specific to each other , but there are some common keys for example if you want to follow the V_C_R_ and if you want to follow the  g  s some  soundtrack on the w w see they have the common thing actually you can have marketing:  . user interface: and  There is also  a speech recognition to store channel information , names , like You can basically if you have a multiple functionality , say T_V_ , V_C_R_ or something I say it to the T_V_ and the T_V_ , and you can programme the keys if you want to , certain keys are even the channel information . I like the idea though of having speech recognition for like the n the name of a channel like B_B_C_ , rather than having to remember the the number of it on the keypad . user interface: Yeah yeah so you you you can just  because  as more and more channels come then you have more and more problems to remember the v v exact channel numbers ex exactly , industrial designer: . user interface: even if you arrange it by however you arrange it , you still have the problem to remember exactly which channel you want to marketing:  . industrial designer: So what functionalities do you suggest for that ? For facing this problem ? user interface: So it it it's like it limited one . In the present market I saw it that says something like they are looking for eighty word thing , eighty word , marketing: Basically you want you don't want to store all the channels in the remote control , marketing:  . user interface: And  basically  it depends like the remote with L_C_D_ display for browsing because you have multiple functionalities for example you are watching a movie , and   you are having a universal remote control and you want to  you don't know really which functionality is now , so I am using the T_V_ so every time I use it , it could be like , for example I can use a simple toggle switch , and a display , so I press it so the display says , okay , I'm in T_V_ or D_V_D_ or whatever it is , instead of having three keys separately for four keys , marketing: And  well there can be children friendly where you can programme your remote so that they they are not allowed  to browse certain channels which you can block them , and you can operate them . user interface: I personally would look at things like having a u universal remote , is   is a good idea , like instead of having unusual ones for all of them you can think of having ,  with multiple functionality possibly with speech recognition . user interface: I got a mail from the the coffee machine interface unit that  they have  integrated the s speech recognition into a into the coffee machine , industrial designer: marketing:  b user interface: and so if you say hello coffee machine , it say hi Joe , or something like that , you know , and  marketing: But a coffee machine , there's not too many words they'd be using with that it's a it's a small vocabulary . user interface: Yeah you you won't be using it , so it's a limited vocabulary  thing , and very isolated word marketing:  . user interface: and it's  it is interesting , and basically storing the channel through voice or other ways of programming your keys , on the display for the browsing marketing:  . user interface: which is again and maybe having something like a blinking thing , like  it could indicate you're  it it could indicate what is cal like the  whether  you you have enough battery in your in your  remote , the blinking . user interface: At the same time , if it's a dark room , it can be used to locate the remote also marketing: user interface: or industrial designer: And you want okay for coming back to one point marketing: Two thirty five supposed to finish . industrial designer: y you want to let the user to programming the keys ? Some of them ? user interface: Yeah you can let them to do that . industrial designer: And  isn't that too difficult for the we want w I don't know if we still want the  R_C_ to be easy to use , marketing:  . user interface: N no but the if you give it d depends on the easiness like the user how much effort he can put . user interface: Like for example  I would like to store in certain way , so if you want to give the full freedom to the user marketing:  . marketing: You can have it so it's easy they can pick it up and use it straight away without doing anythi without customizing it , industrial designer: A standard . project manager: maybe you can give a hand to us because I I'm not sure whether that that we can implement that for twelve Euro and fifty cents . project manager: I'm sorry to have Every time I have to come down on this price again marketing:  . project manager: but it's it's it's the real We have to consider it . project manager: do we think these ideas an and my  sp speech recognition ,  maybe it's possible for for twelve Euro but then then it will be at cost of other functionality we might implement like the   the the the furry   case of the marketing:  . industrial designer: - yeah like I would say that for programming  keys , you said ,  it could be  easily  done within the the package of twel twelve Euros , user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: but for the A_S_R_ system ,  I'm not sure if it's feasible to have this user interface: We well we can still look at we can talk with the coffee unit industrial designer: We user interface: and you can  check how much how much they industrial designer: Exactly yeah i if if it's a low vocabulary it's already implemented , user interface: yeah yeah marketing:  . user interface: Maybe we can come we we can talk to them , and we can come with that , project manager:   . user interface: And also well you can think of having  since you have a you know something maybe if you added little bit of display , you might need the to che keep checking the battery , so you really need a some kind of indicator , marketing:  . user interface: so it could be a blinking option of L_E_D_ project manager:  . marketing: I like the idea too of being able to use the remote in the dark , project manager:  . user interface: So marketing: so either having the buttons so you can feel the difference between them or if they if they light up or something . user interface: No actually i if i it is like you know it tells you  , it can be for two purposes , marketing:  . user interface: like if you have an L_C_D_ display and all those things it's not going to be the standard remote , marketing:  . user interface: which is having  which need just  six six volt  th sorry three volts  of D_C_ . user interface: It may need more actually , so y you you may need to check your battery usage it and then you need that , some functionality to indicate the battery limit . user interface: And then if the battery limit is indicated , if it could be ind indicated through a blinking something industrial designer: It's true . user interface: and it can change the colour depending on your  how much is the battery , well that is good enough to even locate even if you want to . user interface: Yeah so industrial designer: I don't know how if if I have time to talk about the project manager:  yes  I would user interface: You you have time some more ? Yep . So what I'm gonna present here is very   yeah basic knowledge about the all the the components that are inside a a R_C_ a remote control , and how is it manufactured h what is the process , just to explain you . industrial designer: So the method is ther there is a a set of components in a in a remote control like , and  what cost the the components in themself do not cost a lot but the the way to assemble everything costs obviously , and I will  show you my preferences   at the end . So there are two  different types of   Two different ways of using the the components for making a a remote control . industrial designer:  the basic way is to use a an integrated circuit and some  transistors with an that aims at communicating   the message and to to send the message to the  to the led that will  transmit to the receiver . And  yeah the other components and the circuit board buttons , infrared , led , etcetera , for the components  . So you finding , just to say that the chip can detect  when a key is pressed , and then it translate to the key , to a sequence , something like morse code , as you know ,  with a different sequence for each key , project manager: industrial designer: and   that's , with the components we will use , we will have different  messages , different sequences , and the chips sends that signal signal to the transistor that amplify to make it stronger  . And  so I think for our design we want some b  programmable  you know V_ V_L_S_I_ or F_P_G_A_  high technology , user interface: Yeah  industrial designer: and this is important , and also we'll use  yeah like in any  high-tech  devices a chip of fi fibreglass to them and connect them . industrial designer: So my personal design we need to find a solution what  what is the material of the cover we want to use . industrial designer: or you said that yeah you had some ideas  like fruit , veg or project manager: Well well industrial designer: I dunno . marketing: project manager: m m maybe m maybe we can give the  the  the case a very   normal a v very normal case but , with the changeable covers to fancy it up . project manager: So like a normal cheap plastic case which can be covered up in , for instance , a wooden case . So they also emailed me that  they have available a bunch of different buttons , a scroll wheels , integrated push buttons s such as a computer mouse . And  very cheap L_C_D_s , so liquid crystal displays , user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: so I'm wondering , I think we might be able to integrate L_C_D_ into our R_C_ . industrial designer: So we have to know that the push button requires a simple chip , but the scroll wheel  and that kind of higher high-tech stuff needs more money  which is a higher price range alright . And the display requires an advanced chip , which in turns is more expensive than the regular chip , but I think  with twelve Euros  and if it's   made for  four million  items , then I think w we could be able to handle that . industrial designer: So to to sum up  we need yeah so I I just said that the components  the list of components  has to be  yeah listed and  and  assembly is a an important process that has to be taken into account . And  for the designing of the cove   cover layout then it's better to to to maybe see that with  the the U_R_ exp U_R_I_ Expert user interface: Sorry . user interface: Yeah so industrial designer: right ? user interface: of course for example  I wanted to know like if you want to have a a fo if you want to have the L_C_D_ display over there , industrial designer: Yes . user interface: or if you want to store a programmes with a keys What kind of things you'll need inside your thin inside W wh what industrial designer: Yeah it's kind of  simple pro progra programmable device , and we have to insert . industrial designer: I think we could insert one that could underlie several functions user interface: Okay so industrial designer: of user interface: in that case you can even look at the technology what the mobile phone is trying to use with the card . How f cost effective it would be to put that car chip into it and do the programmable things . project manager:  so I understand  when we want a display we need a expensive chip , but when we want a scrolling wheel w we also need the expensive chip , so can we use same chip , so with one expensive chip we can  implement several complicated  or advanced features . industrial designer: we could have  one main chip  that could handle ,  it's called F_P_G_A_ chip , that could handle both  like scrolling wheels as well as  L_C_D_ project manager: project manager: when the more expensive chip you mentioned there is is possible in the in the given budget ,  maybe we should go for for the more expensive chip , so all features  which you mentioned can be implemented based on the same chip . user interface: D well project manager: Do you think that's feasible ? user interface: Well I don't know if it'll fit into our cost of twelve point five Euro you know . user interface: Is it possible to fit in to that ? industrial designer: Yeah also thinking , I think both  if we had a budget of twenty twenty  Euros , it will be okay , user interface: Sorry . Actually do maybe two designs and then cost them out and see which one is gonna fit in our budget better . project manager: wh when you make a a design ca you can next meeting you can give an quite an exact cost price . user interface: Yeah that's  that's something which I wanted to ask you also , like what will be the each individually the cost of it . For example if f if you want to put wood I wouldn't suggest for wood industrial designer: Yeah . user interface:  'cause it's I think it's m much easier to use a plastic or a rubber rather than wood . user interface: It will be much ch much expensive th though it's the most natural thing , but project manager: Yes but I can I think  I think we can just use more cheap plastic for a kind of basic edition , and then people can fancy it up with with more expensive materials marketing:  . user interface: it's  Yeah we we can give a preference to them , but it is but with plastic or the rubber or whatever it is it's much better with that rather than going for project manager: Do do you agree ? marketing:  yeah sure . industrial designer: Yeah but i it's a detailed  yeah yeah  plastic versus  wood , user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: and we need maybe to centre our description on  the the really the what buttons what  functionality we want to offer to the user , and maybe with  graphs or I don't know  user interface: Yeah . So  Let let's say next meeting w you produce two designs , one one one less advanced and one more advanced and with the cost price . project manager: which can be later  fancied up with  with addit  additional  , how do you call them , these like like mobile telephones you can put a cover over it . Smooth keys with bigger s  So that you know The the problem most of the time we've seen , the keys is that it's small , project manager:  . user interface: and every time we have to be very but if i the if we if we go to a different ways of designing those keys , then you can merge them together marketing: So is there any of these that you're looking at particularly user interface: to marketing: or is this just ideas ? user interface: Oh you can actually , for example , if you see , they are they are they are quite small over here , marketing: user interface: and  now you can , for example , as I was if you make them big , it may change the look of the thing also to the people . user interface: At the same time , it is m more  like it would be more interesting for people who are having this R_S_I_ and all problem . user interface:  big keys may better for them actually and  marketing: You see ? industrial designer: I agree yeah , marketing: Yeah . marketing: one I've had before , a r r remote control we have at home is one that's actually got a cover on the bottom user interface: Yeah . marketing: so the bottom bit is just , covers half the keys most of the time , and then you can slide the cover back to get to the the more advanced keys . project manager:  w but then you have still have  when you don't use it you have such a a an extent of your remote control marketing:  . So maybe it's possible  , I don't know whether you can can indicate this , that you can elsewhere open your remote control and on the inside are  buttons you don't use that much . industrial designer: That's what you mean ? project manager: Yes I I th that's what  user interface: Yeah . marketing: Can we have can we think about maybe having a a non-recta non non-rectangular one , so with not just the straight little box industrial designer: Yeah I like also this one . industrial designer: Yeah , the point is w maybe we need to also to make a decision on how how how big we want to be and how many buttons like n we should dec decide numbers or marketing:   'kay . Is this for the next meeting though ? user interface: We should make a marketing: I think we might be out of time out of time for this meeting . user interface: Yeah that yeah next meeting we should be project manager: Ju just make two designs , industrial designer: Okay . So is this is there anything else I need to do from a marketing point of view for the next meeting ? project manager:  yes I come to that   user interface: Maybe it would be interesting if you could look  for the cost inventories of other devices , if you're using speech recognition or something like that . project manager: Yes well m maybe  , I don't know whether that's possible , marketing:  . marketing: Okay well is this me designing a way to evaluate it so Thinking about how to set up test groups and things ? project manager: I don't know whether that's possible  in the given time marketing:  . project manager: So  you two will be together w working on a o on two prototypes industrial designer: Exactly . user interface: One for like cost and the one with like higher-end industrial designer: Two ? project manager: I industrial designer: Okay . project manager:  and then user interface: so that then we can be easily comparing them industrial designer: Yeah project manager:  . user interface: or you know find a compromise between both of them , industrial designer: and find maybe a compromise 
The group made a decision to use a regular-style chip without an LCD display for the controller, opting for simple push buttons with the exception of a more advanced button for the interior lighting system. Concerns were raised by the industrial designer regarding the usability of the function, as it went against the product requirements. The user interface designer suggested that the usability would depend on the user's effort, leading to the decision to produce two versions of the controller - one with full user freedom and the other with some constraints. In order to meet the requirements of being fashionable and spongy, the group agreed to use wood and rubber for the controller. The buttons, which would be the part touched by users, would be made of rubber, while the rest of the controller would be made of wood to provide a natural feel.
What was the final decision regarding the chip, feasibility of letting the user program the keys, and fulfilling user requirements?