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Become a Redditor and join one of thousands of communities. × 94 95 96 BattleGive the best unpopular battle result you can think (self.whowouldwin) submitted 1 day ago by Weak_Player01 [removed] 107 comments share save hide report all 107 comments sorted by: best topnewcontroversialoldrandomq&alive (beta) Want to add to the discussion? Post a comment! Create an account [–]Only-Significance-25 35 points36 points37 points 1 day ago (4 children) Gaston with full song Feats 10/10s Beast (X-Men). Also Sailor Moon can solo most of your favorite characters. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]silver16x 13 points14 points15 points 1 day ago (3 children) Can't they just kill her during the 30 second transformation sequence? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]NovaGass 18 points19 points20 points 1 day ago (2 children) No, obviously then power rangers would always lose lol permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Zammin 13 points14 points15 points 1 day ago (1 child) There was that time in the movie when the bad guys just ran away during the middle of the PR transformation sequence instead of sticking around. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]NovaGass 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago (0 children) Big brain permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Hydris 98 points99 points100 points 1 day ago (4 children) A simple mosquito scaled above Saitama. Use that however you like. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]TheMightyHovercat 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago (1 child) Now, who's stronger, the mosquito or King? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]naroLsraLteiN_isback 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago * (0 children) Their fight will have the same result as Richard Watterson getting a job permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]bobbingforapplesat3 23 points24 points25 points 1 day ago (0 children) Up until saitama used his serious OFF spray of course permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Lyncario 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago (0 children) >Saitama struggles to kill a mosquito >Loid Forger killed a mosquito with ease >Yor Forger is stronger than Loid >Yor stomps the OPM verse into the ground The math checks out. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Ok_Percentage742 58 points59 points60 points 1 day ago (8 children) Oh boy here we go. I believe Saiki K could beat Goku due to his passive precognition. It’s shown to activate at bare minimum 10 minutes before anything actually happens. This gives him ample to time to, at the very least, remove his glasses. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Ancient_B 33 points34 points35 points 1 day ago (1 child) I’m sorry but wouldn’t this not work? I thought in standard battle conditions both characters would be there at the same time as if they both poofed into existence. And that would be like giving saiki k prep permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Sticky_Robot 27 points28 points29 points 1 day ago (0 children) I think standard battles just happen within reason. If a character has some sort of precondition it would be silly to nerf them out of it just because of "standard rules". It's kind of against the spirit of this entire subreddit to ignore abilities because of technicalities. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Shtrausberg 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago (2 children) I didn't know someone else knew about this show permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]milkyginger 12 points13 points14 points 1 day ago (0 children) He doesn't fight much and his name isn't Goku, Saitama, Homelander or Omniman so he isn't really used on this sub. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Diamondsfullofclubs 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago (0 children) Netflix picked it up so it's not exactly obscure. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]hjgsfdbh_oof2 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago * (0 children) Vegito has shown resistance to transmutation permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]tobiov 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Does that character actually have the feats to avoid goku? Sometimes precog just shows that you are 100% fucked. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Ok_Percentage742 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) Well as I was saying, removing his glasses would allow him to passively petrify anyone he sees, weather he notices he sees them or not. He also has instant teleportation, time travel, mind control, physics manipulation, transmutation, fate manipulation and can even damage your soul. He can also become a spirit himself. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]c0ry_ 32 points33 points34 points 1 day ago (7 children) I think Saitama from one punch man would beat Goku if both of them were in character. Goku never goes 100% when he starts a battle usually starting off at base first and then transforming into the next form as the battle goes on. Saitama rapidly grows in strength while fighting strong opponents shown in his fight against Garou. Meaning if they fought in character Goku would intentionally nerf himself at the beginning and then slowly increase his power and Saitama would rapidly scale to that power until Goku reaches his limits. Even if Goku caught on to Saitamas rapid growth he still wouldn’t go to one of his stronger forms and instantly beat him since he has a habit of wanting to fight his opponents at their full strength. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Prestam0 15 points16 points17 points 1 day ago (5 children) makes sense, Goku would do that the only thing is, maybe baldy caps at some point but if he doesnt, then all you said will happen permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Ajaxlancer 11 points12 points13 points 1 day ago (4 children) Before he hit the cap his sneeze destroyed Jupiter, so he scales really high even in Dragonball Universe. He also punched out a bunch of stars that were lightyears away instantly permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]TatchM 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago (2 children) The sneeze didn't destroy Jupiter. It exposed Jupiter's core. Which is still likely enough power to easily destroy a smaller planet. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Prestam0 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago (1 child) also they couldnt have punched a bunch of stars since like you said, they are light years away , what you see in the sky is their positions millions of years ago, at best they distorted their light. We still dont have enough info on Saitama to say he beats current Goku but he probably does beat Cell Saga and probably more since I dont think he has reached his cap yet. permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]201720182019 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) It depends on how you scale DBS. Most people have characters at universal so it’s still a stomp even accounting for the sneeze and star punch. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]TanaerSG 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) I agree and I also don't even know of Goku would beat him if he was flat out from the jump. We have never seen Saitama take any damage from anything. So, we don't have any idea what his durability limit is. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Valdish 12 points13 points14 points 1 day ago (2 children) Kratos (god of war) vs amaterasu (Okami), I don't know what most people think the outcome would be, but since Kratos gets wanked so much, I assume most people would think he wins against the wolf whose game isn't as epic at face value. However, Kratos has not defenses against the celestial brush techniques, which can be performed instantly (as demonstrated when shiranui used power slash in a cutscene to block projectiles) and angled from any direction (as demonstrated in gameplay) and have crazy power potential (as demonstrated when amaterasu used the wind technique to spin a galaxy) permalink embed save report give award reply [–]TatchM 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (1 child) I don't remember the galaxy feat, when did that happen? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Valdish 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) https://youtu.be/fQuPNsUSX3k It happens near the end of the video, admittedly the validity of this feat is questionable, but i think the explanation is based around how the celestial scroll sees the world as a painting, because paintings are 2 dimensional, and so the skies are exactly as far as the land, and the sun isn't far away, it's just really tiny to the celestial scroll. Or maybe, the whirlpool galaxy really is just really tiny, however, it is still in the sky, and big enough to be visible from the ground. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]​Plendamonda 46 points47 points48 points 1 day ago (5 children) Naruto Shippuden - Sasori would be able to defeat Itachi Uchiha. Sasori is a kage level fighter who's entire specialty is trick mechanical weapons All Sharingan users are implicitly relying heavily on their Sharingan to combat foes that are much faster than they are due to chakra vision, enhanced movement perception, and straight up precognition to get an edge over physically superior enemies. Particularly so against linear attacks, but notably ineffective against attacks they can't see coming. Puppet Master implicitly counters Sharingan vision: Puppets don't have muscles, don't have chakra flow, don't follow human movements, and rely heavily on seal markings. Ergo a Sharingan user would seem drastically less effective in terms of speed/reactions as they can no longer see or predict an attack. Itachi is a kage level fighter except he's half blind and nearly crippled. In his fight with Sasuke he couldn't even entirely dodge a rigged shuriken. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Sasuke can make rigged shuriken attacks better than the actual legendary kage+ prodigy who specializes in such attacks. Itachi (as with many Sharingan users) leans heavily on the use of genjutsu. Not only would a puppet be immune to genjutsu, but Sasori himself is likely immune to genjutsu. Being as he's a puppet body with fake eyes, ears, etc. We have no idea what is left of Sasori's brain or how his senses work, and there is nothing to suggest Itachi would either. Assuming it's even possible, Sasori is again a genius fighter with decades of combat experience and we know from Chiyo that they had some knowledge of how to counter genjutsu. Realistically, on top of everything said above, there is no efficient or plausible way for Itachi to out-fight 100 flying puppet enemies without taking a single scratch. This is Sasori's bread and butter move. Forcing Itachi to rely entirely on his powerful ninjutsu skills. Sasori can easily block or remove Amaterasu. Either with the Iron Sand, with his puppet body, with his hundreds of puppets, with his sealing, or by being able to switch to a new body. Sasori should be immune to Tsukiyomi both because he doesn't have real eyes and also because he would know not to look into an Uchiha's eyes. This is helped tremendously by the fact that Puppet Masters are long ranged stealth fighters at their core and he would obviously be highly skilled at fighting from a position Itachi can't even easily see him. Itachi's remaining jutsu are not likely able to fend off a full 100 suicidal flying enemies without taking a single scratch, forcing him to rely on his Susanoo for both defense and having sufficient AoE offense. Based off what we see and hear, Sasori's Iron Sand should be capable of dealing with the Susanoo in the same manner Gaara was capable of dealing with the far stronger Madara Uchiha's Susanoo. The Magnet Release will also hard counter any shuriken jutsu tricks Itachi tries to pull. TLDR: Puppets counter Sharingan, Itachi can't sustain Susanoo through 100 puppets and Iron Sand Kazekage all without taking a single scratch or breathing a single breath of poison when he's nearly ready to keel over from a single good fight anyways. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Zubyna 11 points12 points13 points 1 day ago (0 children) It is actually very common for Naruto, people compare shinobis general powers but not what their abilities would do For instance Kakuzu is above Hidan in all Akatsuki power rankings, yet the reason why Hidan is paired with Kakuzu is because Kakuzu kept killing his teammates and he cant do it with Hidan permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Weak_Player01[S] 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago (1 child) Nice one bro. I only disagree a little bit on #3 coz Itachi may be had no muscle to observe but he'll probaby move his focus to the strings then. I agree with the rest. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]​Plendamonda 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago (0 children) He may be able to see the strings, but it's clear the strings have no direct correlation with the movement of the puppets considering they can control the puppets to an absurd degree even with only 1 or 2 chakra strings. On top of that there are a lot of attacks wherein Sasori simply 'activates' the mechanism and the attack is launched. For a puppet master you'd do better trying to watch the finger movements, even if you could see the strings. But in Sasori's case, he doesn't even need to use his fingers since he can just release 100 chakra threads directly from his chest. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Zenketski_2 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago (0 children) As a puppet master simp, I fucking love this post and every fucking thing about it. I'm going to forward it to my Itachi simp friend permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Gaaruto_uzumaki 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) Before the war arc many shinobis counter another shinobis technique very well. It's not plain and simple as A beats B and B beats C , so A can beat C. That's why fights were so interesting and good in Naruto. After the war arc all went to shit. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SkekVen 44 points45 points46 points 1 day ago (21 children) DIO would win against Ben 10 because he can stop time and remove Ben’s arm, then stick it to himself. The omnitrix failsafe would not activate as Ben’s dna is still “alive” attached to DIO leaving Ben open to be killed. Or Emma from H20 would beat Both Deadpool and Wolverine because she can insta freeze people on a cellular level which puts them in a cryogenic sleep so their healing factors won’t work permalink embed save report give award reply [–]bWoofles 27 points28 points29 points 1 day ago (6 children) Dio would need to have pre knowledge to know to do that tho. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SkekVen 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago (5 children) Correct but assuming he knew how the omnitrix worked, he would likely win with that technique and there’s not much Ben can do to stop him permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]BonkB0i 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago (3 children) I thought it was like incredibly hard to remove the omnitrix or am I remembering Ben 10 wrong permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Devileyekill 28 points29 points30 points 1 day ago (1 child) Not hard to remove a child's arm though permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]Lyncario 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) Yes and yes. The TL;DW is that it got easier to take off in later series. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JonLucPerrott1776 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago (0 children) How about we give both sides prior knowledge, then? Ben knows DIO has time powers, so he instantly transforms into Clockwork at the start of the fight (Ben has the master control now, so he doesn't need time to move or speak in order to transform anymore), rendering the World's main ability useless. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JonLucPerrott1776 14 points15 points16 points 1 day ago * (4 children) On DIO vs. Ben: Factually inaccurate. Attempting to cut off Ben's arm DOES activate the failsafe, as shown in literally the first episode where the Omnitrix failsafe is shown and explained, "Secrets," the finale episode of Season 1 of the original series. Also your reasoning presumes that DIO has knowledge about how the Omnitrix and its failsafe work and why it would have to be removed in order to kill Ben. The actual best way for DIO to defeat Ben if he knows all about Ben's strengths and weaknesses is to stop time, knock Ben unconscious (the failsafe doesn't protect Ben from all harm, only from death or unwilling separation from the Omnitrix), and then somehow imprison him in a way that prevents him from transforming when he wakes up or keep him sedated with drugs (or just turn him into a zombie, if we assume that doesn't count as dying). On Emma vs. Deadpool or Wolverine: This depends on how much distance is between them at the beginning of the fight since if they started out really close to each other they would probably just stab her before she could do that. I really doubt she could react fast enough to defend herself against people who have successfully tagged people like Spiderman (who literally has superspeed and agility + a precognitive danger sense) before. Also, Iceman can do that too, and a lot more, but he's never been guaranteed victory in confrontations with these two until relatively recently when his powers got much stronger and he was revealed as an Omega level mutant. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SkekVen 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago (3 children) Cutting off Ben’s arm results in a “dead” arm. Cutting off the arm and then grafting it to yourself (perfectly in DIOs ability set) while time is stopped would not because as far as the omnitrix can tell, at no point in time has the arm been dead. And i would assume there is some distance between them. It’s basically “can they get to Emma before she can open her hand” which i would guess at any considerable distance, they cannot. They’re agile, but not particularly fast (peak human/slightly over peak human speed) and as for ice man, that just means he was at one point less powerful with his cryokinesis than Emma is permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JonLucPerrott1776 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago * (2 children) The Omnitrix failsafe has two aspects: one is preventing death by transforming Ben to a suitable form, the other is preventing anything that doesn't already have Ben's DNA from removing the Omnitrix by pushing them away with Omni-energy if they try to remove the Omnitrix OR the limb it is attached to. The failsafe can operate outside of time, as shown in the series finale of Omniverse when Ben is transformed into Feedback by it to absorb the energy of the Big Bang in the void before the current time-space continuum existed. The only time Ben's Omnitrix has been successfully removed against his will was by Kevin 11 using a piece of technology Vilgax invented, since Kevin already was partially merged with Ben's DNA and thus resistant to the repelling Omni-energy. Read this respect thread and say that again about Ice Man. He literally does what you described Emma would do to Wolverine (freezing him internally on a cellular level) to Wolverine's son Daken, and Daken somehow recovers within minutes. Wolverine also has been reduced to just an adamantium skeleton before (no flesh to regenerate from), and somehow still regenerated. I'm not claiming it makes sense, but it did happen in the story. Actually, maybe you ought to read the speed and mobility feats section of this Wolverine respect thread as well, because Wolvie is waaay faster than peak human. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]hatdeity 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (1 child) I really appreciate your Ben 10 knowledge! While not OP or the OP of the comment you replied to, I'd love your insight on the following "DIO" strategies concerning the Omnitrix. If attacking/removing the limb that the Omnitrix is attached to produces repelling Omni energy - what would stop DIO from simply taking Ben's other arm, and using Ben's other arm to remove the Omnitrix arm? We know that DIO can incorporate the DNA of those he is spliced with (considering he was able to pass down the Joestar bloodline). Therefore if he took the non-Omnitrix arm since that wouldn't kill Ben, then used that to remove the Omnitrix, would that be viable? Or would DIO using some of his vampiric powers be more of a strategy? While DIO Over Heaven has mind controlling powers, regular vampire DIO can create flesh buds that don't merely kill - they also control. Could he use one to convince Ben to just... take it off and hand it over (or would the Omnitrix prevent its implantation?)? Or even straight up hypnosis - another (hilarious) vampire side effect? Could DIO control Azmuth and have the alien remove it? (Since iirc only he and Ben are able to remove the Omnitrix). permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]bobbingforapplesat3 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago (7 children) I mean what’s stopping dio from just stopping time and killing ben normally? He’s still a mostly normal dude when he ain’t transformed right? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SkekVen 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago (2 children) Omnitrix apparently has a failsafe that would protect Ben from what i understand permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]bobbingforapplesat3 -2 points-1 points0 points 1 day ago (1 child) Does it like, repel attacks or fight back or something? I can’t imagine it’s much good if there’s (literally) no time for it to activate. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SkekVen 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago (0 children) When he dies it just transforms him into a living alien apparently. I’ll admit I’m a little shaky on it. I know if you kill an alien when transformed it simply transforms him into a different alien permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JonLucPerrott1776 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago * (3 children) The Omnitrix has a failsafe that automatically transforms Ben into an alien that can survive if something happens that would kill him otherwise, and it can even do this outside of time and space, like in the series finale of Omniverse where Ben is in a void before the creation of the universe and the Omnitrix transforms him into Feedback to absorb and redirect the energy of the Big Bang. The failsafe also prevents the Omnitrix from being removed from Ben unwillingly by releasing a burst of repelling Omni-energy to push away anyone who doesn't share the same DNA as Ben if they try to take it off of him. Unfortunately for SkekVen's argument about DIO beating Ben, trying to remove the Omnitrix also includes trying to remove the limb the Omnitrix is attached to, as shown in the Season 1 finale of the original series. There are ways around the failsafe, however, as Ben actually has died twice before onscreen. The first time was in Ultimate Alien when Charmcaster, wielding the power of the Alpha Rune, magically drained and then sacrificed the mana/ life energy of every creature in in the realm of Ledgerdemain (which at that moment included Ben, Gwen, and Kevin) to get some godlike magical entity to bring her dead father back to life (ironically, her father was horrified by this and gave up his own life willingly to resurrect everyone that she killed). The second time was in Omniverse, when Vilgax and a Chronisapien named Maltruant set off a Chronisapien Time Bomb that erased completely all of the timelines that led to Ben or a member of his family getting their hands on the Omnitrix ten years ago (that death ended up being reversed through some odd shenanigans by an alternate timeline Ben who never got the Omnitrix as a kid). permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HatSnowman 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (1 child) it can even do this outside of time and space, like in the series finale of Omniverse where Ben is in a void before the creation of the universe and the Omnitrix transforms him into Feedback to absorb and redirect the energy of the Big Bang. I think this is a lot like the argument I've seen people use for Goku, where he's able to move around in a void with no time as well. But anyway, there's a bunch of different characters on screen also moving around doing things, hell the guy who's name I forgot 💀 is talking just fine despite being in a void where there should be no air. , it doesn't seem like any of them are affected by the "no time" rule. Would they also be able to move during time stop? Can Ben as a human do it too since (iirc) he's in his normal form atleast once in this empty void? Just doesn't add up imo. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JonLucPerrott1776 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago * (0 children) Maltruant is a Chronisapien who can control time at will in almost any way he chooses. The Mr. Smoothie mascot looking characters are the Contumelia who live in the void outside of universes and create and destroy universes (including the entire space-time continuum) with their Annihilarg devices. The little green guy, Skurd, is a Slimebiote who is merged with Ben's DNA and the alien DNA in the Omnitrix (much like how the Marvel character Venom can merge with a host), and thus exists within the same pocket of time-space the Omnitrix creates for Ben. Regardless, I could easily make the same argument about DIO's "world" of stopped time. Things can still happen there, movement in the time stop "world" is just limited to other time controlling characters (like Jotaro) or objects manipulated by them (knives, road rollers, etc.). permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]bobbingforapplesat3 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) Ok so bens a little fucking broken. Skekven had a very good idea there though, that’s shooouuuuld let dio win. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]dodo755 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) The only way to actually kill Deadpool is to be able to somehow reverse the curse Thanos put on him, or kill Thanos. Yes, he has an insane healing factor, but the reason he can’t die is because Thanos put a curse on him to never die, because he was jealous and thought she loved Deadpool. But if she can kill Thanos, then yeah. Or maybe still no cuz what’s stopping Deadpool from killing the writer? He’s done it before, lol. Parody characters are funny and dumb permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]AlphaWhelp 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago (0 children) Virgo Shaka solos the entire DB multiverse. "Nuh uh! What about Zeno!" When Virgo Shaka was hit by a universe destroying attack he countered it with a power that creates a universe. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Tacosicle 12 points13 points14 points 1 day ago (1 child) Hugh Hefner would beat Rimuru Tempest because all Hugh would have to do is pull out a bunny girl outfit and show it to Rimuru, who would then get PTSD and run from the battlefield screaming. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]aquariumX 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago (0 children) LMAO permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]1random_redditor 9 points10 points11 points 1 day ago * (5 children) DC: In TDK trilogy, I’d say Ra’s Al Ghul would beat Bane. Ra’s was the teacher, and seemed quicker, trickier, smarter in combat. Bane had a noticeable weakness. In DCEU I’d say Zod/Doomsday would smack Steppenwolf. He’s more durable and more skilled, but he’s slower, less versatile, and weaker in striking feats. In DCEU I’d say Cyborg would beat Aquaman. Cyborg is faster, has more firepower, and more hax especially at their absolute peaks. Nukes>ocean permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Weak_Player01[S] 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago (1 child) I highly doubt theres an argument here. Everyone probaby agree on that. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]1random_redditor 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago (0 children) I think a lot of people think Bane would beat Ra’s since Bane broke the Bat. A lot of people hype up Steppenwolf compared to Zod and Doomsday because Stepp fought more people permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Th3Seconds1st 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (2 children) I feel like by TDKR Bane had risen to such a level as to rival Ra’s and that’s why he basically serves as Talia’s enforcer. I still think you’re right. I think Bane would also get bodied because Ra’s could probably get in his head. I’d however like to argue TDK Joker takes Batman Begin’s Ra’s Al Ghul. Joker handles Batman in combat with the same ferocity as Bane did while being as lightly armored as Ra’s. He’s insane so he has absolutely no skin in the game when it comes to the idea of risk. But, his insanity and reckless abandon doesn’t change the fact his favorite thing in the whole world is butchering people with knives which is why he’s a CQC expert. And with no risk aversion that means Ra’s gets bodied hard. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]kavono 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago * (0 children) which is why he’s a CQC expert. No scene in TDK suggests Joker is even close to an expert in combat. He "handled" Batman at the end of the film purely by ambushing him with flailing strikes as dogs attacked him, then having the coincidental advantage of the sonar vision briefly malfunctioning for a single hit, before pinning him thanks to the environment. Besides that, earlier in the movie, he tossed his goons towards Bruce and landed a single kick with the knife built into his shoe. He shows no advanced combat skill whatsoever. At the very most, it's clear he got the better of the one GCPD cop in the interrogation room, but we don't see what happened and nothing suggests that cop had any skill resembling Ra's. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]1random_redditor 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) Joker was definitely the most ferocious of them. If he got the jump on them, he could beat them. He could also win via prep time permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]stormygray1 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago (0 children) The elements of harmony from mlp hard counter the concept of chaos, to a extreme degree. Elements of harmony likely solo chaos gods, since they can solo discord. If not they certainly solo any chaos demon, including belakor, and daemon primarchs. Casually turning them to stone. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Shtrausberg 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago (6 children) Composite Sub-Zero would defeat composite Kratos permalink embed save report give award reply [–]​IgnoreMyName 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago (5 children) "then present your best argument why" permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Shtrausberg 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Sub-Zero ending in MK11 permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]​Extreme-Tactician 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (3 children) Rule 5 dude, you should provide a link to this claim. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Shtrausberg 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (2 children) Here you go permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]Thebestreddit0r 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago (0 children) voldemort shouldve easily bested dumbledore in book 5. one avada kadavra and bye bye dumbledore permalink embed save report give award reply [–]PeculiarPangolinMan 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) Monica Rambeau beats Flash over 50% of the time, especially on a normal day. Monica is lightspeed at base. Flash doesn't usually move at lightspeed outside of calcs or explicit statements. It's not normal for him to start that quick. Plus Mon's energy powers, mobility, intangibility, etc are used more than Flash's. Kylo Ren or Rey beats Darth Maul from Episode I. As a team they beat Peak Obi-Wan, maybe Vader, definitely Kit Fisto. The Sequels have solid feats! Catching and deflecting blasters and lightsabers with the Force, realistic looking sword techniques, sending each other flying, lifting and moving big ass stuff... I dunno. Kylo beat 5 Force users in a fight where he wasn't even armed for half of it. Rey smushed a guy. I think they ragdoll most Prequel Force users by overwhelming Force supremacy. Angron beats literally any other Primarch in a fight in 30K... except maybe Magnus. Dude's unstoppable. When did he ever lose a straight one on one? Plus I just like him the best. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Tyranid_Norn_King 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago * (0 children) On a lot of battles and people have claimed Chthon easily defeats Shuma gorath when there is far more evidence that they are equals, down to having the same titles and even being defeated the same way. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Dilithium_Miata 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago * (5 children) There isn’t a single character from any show anywhere that could beat Q in a life or death battle. These guys weapons cause black holes across the known universe and the space they occupy causes humans to experience it as alternate realities just trying to process it. They can in an instant change reality, remove powers, change shape, time travel, teleport, and even suggest changing the constant of gravity for the ENTIRE universe as if it’s simple when The Enterprise is trying to move a moon. In the same episode they state to have a 4 figure IQ. They have stated their powers are based completely in technology. The trolling Q trolls strictly because he’s bored. He even says there is nothing at all the Q don’t understand about the universe. Utter mastery of all possible sciences. This means the Q are a Kardashev level 6 society. We have regularly seen that magic is simple science we don’t understand yet. Meaning there is simply no way Q can’t instantly nullify any power, weapon or threat. Snap of the fingers. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]TheMightyHovercat 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago (2 children) I mean, somowhere there is an omnipotent character for sure. Omnipotence > everything. Black holes spread across a universe mean nothing to an omniversal being, and even if the character was confined to one universe, they can just say "lol no" and not get affected. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]​TheScarlettHarlot 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) Yeah, but who is this omnipotent being? You’re effectively just arguing “Well, someone is stronger…” You gotta name that being, or they are simply no one to us. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+]Dilithium_Miata comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 1 day ago (0 children) Who’s to say Q isn’t omniversal though? The Q seem to reside in another dimension. They can change reality, actual reality with a snap of their fingers. Simply removing all their powers. Not to mention their IQ in trek is stated to be several thousand. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SocratesWasSmart 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago (1 child) We have regularly seen that magic is simple science we don’t understand yet. Meaning there is simply no way Q can’t instantly nullify any power, weapon or threat. Snap of the fingers. While I disagreed with your conclusion, (As I think there are many characters that could defeat Q.) I was more or less onboard with your reasoning until this point. You ran afoul of a logical fallacy called the hasty generalization. Magic in Star Trek may be simple science that we don't understand yet, but that is something unique to Star Trek and it does not translate over to all verses. Plenty of verses have magic systems where the results are illogical and not reproducible or testable and thus do not fall under the rubric of science. Furthermore, just because Q understands all science and technology in his universe does not mean he automatically understands all science and technology in all possible universes And even if Q did understand all science and technology in all possible universes there's no evidence that would automatically allow him to counter anything he understand. For example, I understand how guns work just fine but I can do nothing to stop a bullet in flight from harming me. As for characters that could beat him, I would argue any character that has displayed multiversal levels of power and has shown resistance to things like reality warping and time travel should be able to do the job. Someone like Mercurius from Dies Irae is a good example of that. Q's weapons caused black holes throughout the universe? Mercurius condensed an infinite amount of universes into a single ball of energy and threw it at two other Hadou gods. Something like that is far more extreme than anything any Q has ever shown. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Dilithium_Miata 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) God damn I love a well thought out argument. Bravo. I have some counters but it’ll have to wait till after work. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PointiestHat 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago (0 children) Composite Mario Beats Composite Kirby Let’s look at the strongest Mario there ever is, a Paper Mario with the Pure heart artifact Paper Mario with pure was able to defeat super dimentio. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iWbtv4N3ZjM&feature=related. Super Dimentio had the capability destroyed the totality of all worlds, timelines and possibilities in the Marioverse. A Multiversal level threat. HE WOULD HAVE SURVIVED THIS DESTRUCTION OF EXISTENCE. Yes Kirby has beaten “gods” but they have not been near this capability of power. At the top end they can destroy a universe, big whoop. Not to mention Composite mario will ALWAYS win if it means peach is captured otherwise. Mario must always save the princess according to the RPG rules with the Wishing star. Kirby cannot defeat him with normal means like BFR with inhale or turning him into red mist with his warp star because that would prevent mario from saving peach. Kirby needed 3 other friends who are his power level to Stand a chance against void termina, his strongest opponent. Void terminal is in no way near as powerful as dimentio obviously. Mario wins this. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Markemberke 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago (0 children) Naruto topic: Kisame vs Pein. Everyone goes "Pein stomps", but I thought about this fight for around a month now and I just can't see Pein winning. Here's the argument: first we have to discuss how Samehada would interact with the Shinra Tensei. IMO. it can absorb it or at least suck chakra out of it, therefore weakening it. Chibaku Tensei can be eaten up by Kisame's Giant Shark Bomb jutsu and after that it would get so much bigger and faster and stronger that it would neg Pein horribly. So basically the only thing Pein is left with is the Human path to rip Kisame's soul out. For that, he has to get close to Kisame, which is a horrible idea. Tendo's (the strongest) combat speed scales to base Naruto. While Kisame scales above V1 Bee, since he easily slapped him away. Meaning the paths have no chance to react to Kisame swinging his sword if they get into his range. And Kisame can easily put all of them under water, fuse with Samehada and since fused Kisame horribly murderblitzed V2 8 tails Bee, who is much stronger than 6 tails Naruto who bullied Pein, just shows that the paths get blitzed easily. All of the summons get eaten up, every ninjutsu Pein throws gets eaten up or easily dodged or even tanked. And Kisame's water bubble jutsu, the one he used against Bee is so massive that the absorber path would need days to suck it away. We saw it against Jiraiya, that it needs time to absorb larger jutsus. And Kisame's jutsus are much bigger and stronger than Jiraiya's were. So basically it can't absorb it in time. Kisame fuses with Samehada and blitzes. But even if you say no, don't go under water, it's still incredibly tuff for the paths to do anything. If any of them gets close to Kisame, that gets blitzed and one shotted. Kisame can launch his Giant Shark Bomb jutsu which can't be stopped by any path. You could argue for the big nuke Shinra Tensei. But the way Kisame's jutsu works, it would just eat it up and get stronger from it. You could also scale Kisame and Pein through the Jinchuurikis they fought. Pein couldn't handle the 6 tails Naruto, he was just running from it, couldn't tag him once. And Kisame bodied V1 Bee with all the 8 tails and on land reacted to V2 Bee (again, with all the 8 tails) and blocked it. Sure, the force was too much for him and Samehada harmed Kisame in the process, but still, reacted and blocked it. And under water fused Kisame murderblitzed V2 8 tails Bee. And even V1 Bee is much more powerful than the 6 tails Naruto Pein struggled with. So you know, just looking at the fact that Kisame did much better against a much stronger opponent, shows he's on higher level than Pein. And of course the feats, facts and abilites just support it even further. So yeah. Kisame would beat Pein IMO. It's very controversial, I know. But dayum, the feats, guys just shows this. If anyone has a decent argument against my arguments, then feel free to tell me. Tell me anything the Peins could do to Kisame, because other than the Human path ripping out his soul, I don't see anything else and I already told you why is that a horrible idea for the paths to get close to Kisame. So yeah. I appreciate any nice, well made counter arguments. If all you can say is "yOu sTuPiD, pEiN sToMpS, blöööah", then I don't care, that's not a counter argument. Use feats and facts to try and prove me wrong. Thank you! Peace! ✌️ permalink embed save report give award reply [–]dodo755 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) Goku vs Superman both at peak, both out of character trying to kill the other, Superman wins every time. As was stated in the screw attack video, Superman’s “peak” is infinite. Goku hits his peak all the time and then breaks through it. But in this scenario, Superman wouldn’t give him a chance to breakthrough any peaks. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]garnet-overdrive -2 points-1 points0 points 1 day ago (2 children) superman and other comic book mainstays like wonder woman and hulk easily one shot the likes of goku and saitama and i am sick of people downplaying them permalink embed save report give award reply [–]aquariumX 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago (1 child) It usually depends on what versions of the characters you use in those fights. So it could go either way. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]garnet-overdrive 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) i meant mainline comic versions permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Tarnmine -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago (5 children) Goku one taps Rimuru and Anos at the same time, simply because db cosmology is incomprehensibly bigger than the latter two. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]mrboy3 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago (4 children) No its not The only way I can see that argument been made is if u take xeno and even then its a stretch permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Tarnmine -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 day ago (2 children) Xenoverse cosmology absolutely dwarfs those two lmfao, you literally don't need to go past Z to begin with permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]raptorboss12345 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) U didn't mention xeno? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]mrboy3 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) Well you are wrong permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]trollface5333 -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago (0 children) With enough thought and planning DR Bright could theoretically solo any universe. permalink embed save report give award reply [+]soivetrussia comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points 1 day ago (2 children) Silverback gorilla could honestly one shot a grizzly bear. I'd love to scam battle it one day because i notice every time someone brings up bear stats, they just say random numbers. I can actually link all of my sources for gorillas and usually do, while bear debaters just pull random numbers out of their ass. I've gotten like 6 completely different numbers for what the stats of a bear are and none of them had links permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Sticky_Robot 11 points12 points13 points 1 day ago (0 children) Plenty of info to prove you are wrong. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean there is no evidence. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/5e13yr/the_gorilla_mythbusting_post/ Gorillas get destroyed by 60 pound Leopards, how do you expect them to handle 1,000 pound bears? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Justin77E 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) To say a gorrila wins sparks debate. But for a gorrila to one shot is unrealistic permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+]rufusz1991 comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 1 day ago (1 child) Doom guy solos Guko. I don't care abaut how fast or how strong is Guko are Doom guy win beacuse his armor is unpenetrable and unyielding so Guko cannot defeat him and also Doom guy is tougher than his armor. Lore is the point of a game the game can be different then the lore for strategy. You know thinking is also important? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Valdish 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) Based. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mohammedamine9 -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Georno would be able to beat goku The doctor with infinit prep time can almost solo the scpvers permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Weak_Player01[S] 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) Thats a given bro. Im a fan of both but most of Goku simps I see in forums only argues with his teleport shit like "he CaN JusT simPlY telePort and slit his throat" lol. Btw, Im bot familiar with your number 2. Ive watch a little bit of SCP creatures but I didnt totally get attached to it. Maybe Ill try again next time after reading/watching all my list. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SoySenato 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) Most people above street tier wipe the floor with Doomy permalink embed save report give award reply [–]mugetsuDxebec 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (0 children) Naruto slams luffy permalink embed save report give award reply [–]2legittoquit 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago * (0 children) The MC from Terraria effortlessly out strengths most characters, due to their ability to carry 49,950 2ft x 2ft x 2ft cubes of any material. And still be able to run and jump around. Thats basically 50,000 cubes of lead, sand, stone, whatever. 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