we buy these because my partner and I have very different strength level and need . we have individual weight all around the house and it be get crazy . now we just have the powerblock and they work well for this purpose . they be a bit unwieldy to change the weight on -lrb- the Bowflex one seem better on this -rrb- and the square shape take some get use to , but in general we be highly satisfy with the purchase . we do not get the stand , but we would highly recommend it .