I would see these at the local dog park and have be look for they locally for some time . all I could find around town be those really thin bag that just do not quite get the job do . I be happy to find these available at Amazon where the price be good and shipping be free and fast . these bag be way better than most other in term of pick up you dog 's business and in odor control . they be a lot thicker and much easier to tie up . a quality product that be a must for dog owner .