we have use these bag ever since we find they provide at we national park area . I hate use newspaper bag or grocery bag and I find that a lot of the other bag on the market be just as flimsy and if you have large hand , they be difficult to hold on to the waste and turn inside out . we pay about the same price as at the local pet store but get double the bag . never leave home without they . not sure about the comment that they be flimsier than before , they be still 100 % better than a grocery bag !