I have hold out on buy keen for a while 'cause I refuse to pay retail for anything and it be rare to find a good deal on these . the wait be worth it . pick they up for 40 % off and very happy with the puchase . the first keen I have have and love they . there comfortable and feel very well build . I have two friend who both have wear the same pair of Keens for the past 5 year and they both feel they 'll probably get another year or so out of they . only reason I do not give they 5 star be because they be a bit of work to get they on . I have to use both the front and back loop , so both hand , to get they on .