when compare to  Valeo Ocelot Lifting glove  I buy both pair and I think the Valeo be far superior . the 3\/4 finger length be wonderful , they be softer leather , and have more cushioning than these harbinger . unfortunatly the Valeos have the same size issue as these , so read the review to find you correct size , do not count on the size chart . -lrb- for Valeo , large be a perfect fit for my 8 '' circumference hand , take around the palm , under the knuckle -rrb- .