I think I get my first pair of harbinger 143 glove from Amazon nearly three year ago now . that pair last quite a long time before I decide to replace they due to wear -lrb- seam come apart -rrb- and odor -lrb- after a while , it seem like no pair of leather glove be immune to stink , even after repeat wash -rrb- . I quite like my first pair and be surprise to find some less than good review here , include comment from people about how they glove fall apart rather quickly . well , I order another pair of these only about a year ago and they be already in much worse shape than the previous pair that last twice as long , despite get the same amount of use from I . I also notice that some other reviewer mention how these glove be tighter than they should be , and that do not describe my first pair but definitely describe my second . just a few day ago , I order another replacement pair . I obviously can not say whether they will hold up better than the second pair I have , but I can report that even though the glove be ostensibly the same size the new pair be , in fact , not nearly as tight on my have as my second pair . I be a bit frustrated by the lack of consistency in what be suppose to be the same product , but I do like these glove overall . -lrb- I guess that be obvious or I would not have order another pair again ! -rrb-