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lit/21936988.txt

@@ -803,3 +803,44 @@ Mega
 Quomodo sīs sī jentaculum nōn ederēs?
 --- 21988807
 Orbeg schizo keeps reposting the same bait in every thread and is now replying to his own posts back to back since nobody is biting. Imagine if he spent as much time studying as he does shitposting.
+--- 21989442
+>>21988682
+haud mihi curae, plurimos adhuc annos non iento quum prandio cocto expergiscor
+--- 21989546
+Maybe not the correct place to ask this, but does anyone have any good resources for grammar in general? Things like case, voice, complex parts of speech etc. Should I just grab any linguistics textbook?
+--- 21989608
+>>21989546
+Wheelock's does a pretty good job of explaining parts of speech in English. It was a better resource for learning English grammar than all K-12
+--- 21989692
+>>21989546
+English Grammar for Students of Latin by Norma Goldman. They also have other books in this series for people learning different languages like German, Russian, etc that focus specifically on the features you will have to deal with.
+
+If you are talking about Latin grammar, then Bennett's Latin Grammar is the simplest reference. It's short and sweet.
+--- 21990355
+yeah maybe a beginner brainbox
+--- 21991167
+I assume lego and λέγω in their inception were used to express picking/selecting something and later the respective meanings of reading and speaking came later, but what do y'all'z think the analogies are for those extended meanings?
+--- 21991309
+>>21991167
+I mean they still have those basic meanings in historical times, especially in compounds
+it's worth nothing German's "lesen" = to read also comes from a proto-Germanic root meaning "to gather" also coming from a PIE root meaning gather, not sure about the specific moment when it eventually became also synonym with reading
+dialégomai would also be another interesting example further expanding this idea by its etymology, i.e to converse with someone being likened literally to going through(dia) a personal(middle voice) choosing(lego) of what which is chosen(logos) which in this case exclusively refers to the spoken word, even though "logos" in principle could be a regular formation of légō simply meaning the thing chosen(like témnō => tómos)
+--- 21991336
+>>21991309
+>I mean they still have those basic meanings in historical times, especially in compounds
+I should've been more clear. I know those meanings were still used in archaric/classical times, I just mean that the senses of to read and to speak were later, additional meanings
+>dialégomai would also be another interesting example further expanding this idea by its etymology, i.e to converse with someone being likened literally to going through(dia) a personal(middle voice) choosing(lego) of what which is chosen(logos) which in this case exclusively refers to the spoken word, even though "logos" in principle could be a regular formation of légō simply meaning the thing chosen(like témnō => tómos)
+that would make sense. so then what is being selected/gathered is words, therefore collecting words is synonymous with reading (aloud) and speaking
+--- 21991371
+>>21988807
+>he thinks that faggot can actually study
+--- 21991745
+>>21989608
+>>21989692
+Thank you!
+--- 21992867
+What are some good books written in latin from the renaissance onwards?
+--- 21992932
+>>21992867
+>What are some good books written in latin from the renaissance onwards?
+For post-Renaissance Neo-Latin in the Early Modern Era, Thomas Moore's Utopia is probably the best and most famous. Some other writers from that time would be John Milton, Isaac Newton, Galileo, Descartes, and Francis Bacon to name a few. The Renaissance is more difficult to classify because it overlaps with Late Medieval Latin which is quite different from Neo-Latin. But that being said, the big three are definitely Petrach, Dante, and Erasmus. How you define them is another question for other people to answer.

lit/21973242.txt

@@ -247,3 +247,30 @@ Plato, KAnt, Jesus
 Jesus
 --- 21988848
 Artaud was diagnosed
+--- 21990633
+Ccru
+--- 21990986
+>>21990633
+You haven't read him
+--- 21991458
+>>21990986
+Ccru is a collective
+--- 21991464
+>>21986800
+Who is more transgressive in today’s world than someone who literally deifies Hitler?
+--- 21991476
+> Now these rivers are many, and mighty, and diverse, and there are four principal ones, of which the greatest and outermost is that called Oceanus, which flows round the earth in a circle; and in the opposite direction flows Acheron, which passes under the earth through desert places, into the Acherusian Lake: this is the lake to the shores of which the souls of the many go when they are dead, and after waiting an appointed time, which is to some a longer and to some a shorter time, they are sent back again to be born as animals. The third river rises between the two, and near the place of rising pours into a vast region of fire, and forms a lake larger than the Mediterranean Sea, boiling with water and mud; and proceeding muddy and turbid, and winding about the earth, comes, among other places, to the extremities of the Acherusian Lake, but mingles not with the waters of the lake, and after making many coils about the earth plunges into Tartarus at a deeper level. This is that Pyriphlegethon, as the stream is called, which throws up jets of fire in all sorts of places. The fourth river goes out on the opposite side, and falls first of all into a wild and savage region, which is all of a dark-blue color, like lapis lazuli; and this is that river which is called the Stygian River, and falls into and forms the Lake Styx, and after falling into the lake and receiving strange powers in the waters, passes under the earth, winding round in the opposite direction to Pyriphlegethon, and meeting in the Acherusian Lake from the opposite side. And the water of this river too mingles with no other, but flows round in a circle and falls into Tartarus over against Pyriphlegethon, and the name of this river, as the poet says, is Cocytus.
+--- 21992027
+Aleister Crowley
+--- 21992052
+>>21973242 (OP)
+anon
+--- 21992093
+>>21973346
+I was just listening to him today while going for a walk, and had to double take at his off-hand comments about mass deaths (of humans) being a good thing and the destruction of the WTC as being heroic.
+--- 21992603
+>>21973242 (OP)
+Thomas Ligotti. You cannot deny it. Once you know, you cannot unknow.
+--- 21992835
+>>21978357
+Only good answer itt

lit/21973746.txt

@@ -358,3 +358,145 @@ Let's do this.
 --- 21989086
 >>21988591
 lol wtf
+--- 21989338
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21989383
+>>21974107
+Let's go
+--- 21989463
+>>21974107
+Not gonna read it but rolling sure is fun
+--- 21989508
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21989585
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21990048
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21990667
+>>21974238
+mite b cool
+--- 21990673
+>>21974107
+Roll
+--- 21990895
+>>21974107
+Roll
+--- 21990967
+>>21974107
+Why not, let's see
+--- 21990970
+Is any of you 100 fags going to even read the book they "rolled"?
+--- 21991123
+>>21974107
+Roll
+--- 21991237
+>>21978925
+>reading for plot 
+Check out this retarded midwit
+--- 21991308
+>>21990673
+Rest in pieces
+--- 21991328
+>>21974107
+Rolling.
+--- 21991334
+>>21991328
+Wtf it landed on my favourite book.
+Rolling again.
+--- 21991340
+>>21974107
+röll
+--- 21991363
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21991475
+>>21974107
+r-r-r-rollling
+--- 21991488
+>>21974107
+Roll
+--- 21991847
+>>21974107
+Rolling
+--- 21991939
+>>21983976
+This was a nice one. rollin' for next
+--- 21992005
+>>21974107
+Roll
+--- 21992042
+>>21974107
+Roll
+--- 21992449
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21992460
+>>21974107
+Rollin'
+--- 21992469
+>>21982996
+Rollin' again
+--- 21992477
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21992526
+>>21974107
+Go
+--- 21992529
+>>21974107
+rape it
+--- 21992532
+>>21992526
+Been there. Reroll
+--- 21992712
+>>21974107
+Rollan
+--- 21992722
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21992724
+>>21992722
+I'm not rereading that, reroll
+--- 21992752
+>>21974003
+I can't find it on zlib and archive.org has books that appear way too different from each other, can you post a link?
+--- 21992778
+>>21982996
+Roll
+--- 21992786
+>>21974107
+We shall see
+--- 21992799
+>>21974107
+rolling
+--- 21992808
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21992812
+>>21974107
+roll it faagguuts
+--- 21992863
+>>21974107
+Roll
+--- 21992870
+>>21974107
+non-binding roll
+--- 21992876
+>>21974107
+roller
+--- 21992884
+>>21974107
+rolling
+--- 21992898
+>>21974107
+Row
+--- 21992901
+>>21992898
+-ling
+--- 21992980
+>>21974107
+Rollans

lit/21974748.txt

@@ -147,3 +147,8 @@ What else of theirs is good?
 Buddhist Texts from the Pali Canon.
 
 https://www.accesstoinsight.org/
+--- 21989954
+>>21988210
+Any works in particular that you recommend?
+--- 21992010
+bgUMP

lit/21978055.txt

@@ -419,3 +419,78 @@ Was refusing to get vaxxed going against proverbs 3:7?
 "be not wise in your own eyes"
 
 Or was it those who got the vax that broke that verse because they thought themselves so sure of the vax?
+--- 21989177
+>>21985489
+That's hot as fuck though. Has this ever been made into a movie?
+--- 21989207
+What about the dude who slept with the maid because his own wife was barren, and then kicked out the maid with their child because it turned out his wife could actually bear?
+--- 21989262
+>>21987890
+>It's possible to have an understanding of my spiritual nature
+so incoherent gay modern spirituality. Instead of sky daddy now you have ghost friend around you faggot subhuman.
+>They're little more than gaslighting
+You don't know what gaslightning is tranny. You failed to explain how horus was born on 25th and from virgin. Then you mix up greek and egyptian mythology and bunch other lies. People called out your dishonesty and now you kvetch when you can't hide your retardation with smugness.
+--- 21989264
+>>21986883
+>xtians
+ok kike
+--- 21990159
+>>21989207
+You mean Abraham and Hagar?
+Sarah (his wife) was jeleous, it does mention he felt bad about it.
+It was wife basically his wife who suggested he knock up the slave girl initially anyway.
+There's also the part where Rachel and Leah pimp Jacob out to each other for favours.
+The Bible is right about women.
+--- 21990292
+>>21990159
+And about men being weak, I guess.
+
+>I had to kick out the maid and leave her in the desert because my wife told me to do so (I'm sad about it too btw)
+--- 21990341
+>>21978055 (OP)
+
+Just read 18:22 and 20:13
+--- 21990475
+>>21990292
+The prophets aren't meant to be perfect people or even good people.
+--- 21990800
+>>21990475
+G-d seemed mighty pleased with him no less.
+--- 21990829
+>>21983959
+Imagine being this edgy non-ironically lol
+--- 21990835
+>>21990292
+It was revealed to him that his son would become a great nation, takes the sting out of it considering Mohamed was a cool guy and the Ishmaelites were stronk.
+--- 21991619
+>>21978055 (OP)
+No. If you want to get context on the Bible, you need to read the boring parts, not just the stories. The Torah is meant to serve as a constitution for Israel, and Leviticus is important for understanding that.
+--- 21991785
+>>21988382
+>>21989262
+>My eyes are shut, I can see no evidence, LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING
+What a waste of a life.
+At least you still have some value in this world; after all, hydrothermal liquefaction can convert your corpse into carbon-neutral crude oil.
+--- 21991898
+>>21991785
+after getting btfo you resorted to gibberish. pretty embarrassing discord troon.
+--- 21991914
+>>21991898
+I guess you'll continue to straitjacket your thinking and your spiritual development.
+I tried to open your eyes, but you're beyond help.
+My conscience is clear.
+--- 21992899
+>>21991914
+nigger you got exposed as a retard and dishonest liar. your gay coping now is emabarrassing you further no schizoposting is going to save you and pretending to be a retarded cuck still makes you a cuck.
+--- 21992930
+>Leviticus
+>Numbers
+--- 21992943
+>>21978224
+Except it's the most concretely laid out and explained from a materialist perspective and therefore is the most convincing to any atheist. If you go without reading Leviticus, you're doing yourself an injustice. It's ironic. Atheists are likely to be converted by reading it and Christians are likely to realize they're not true Christians. It's the single best book of the entire Bible. Midwits like Ecclesiastises. Schizos like reevaluation. The suffering like Job. Big brains like Leviticus. Stay filtered my friend.
+--- 21992948
+>>21992930
+Midwit moment.
+--- 21992958
+>>21992948
+I can potentially backpedal on Numbers, but Leviticus is so fucking boring and I won't believe anyone who pretends otherwise

lit/21978493.txt

@@ -289,3 +289,98 @@ It portrays the perspective of a pedophile manipulating a mother into gaining ac
 When it came out, the only publisher willing to press it was an erotica outfit, even though it was sold as literature and contains no erotic content, and was preemptively banned based on excerpts in a few countries, chiefly the UK iirc. Then, when it came out, a bunch of critics called it "the most convincing love story of the century" and other such...interpretations. Some of them were speaking loosely, some were clearly pedos, and others were just tricked by the narrator, so as the book became controversial, Nabokov went to great lengths to clarify that he had no interest in make pedophilia look good, and that he was somewhat surprised by the reception.
 Nowadays, it's fairly well-known in scholarly circles that Nabokov himself had been molested repeatedly as a child, and many young men and women see their experiences with abuse reflected in the novel, and appreciate it in that light. However, it's been common since the publication for child abusers to use the book and its film adaptations to try and normalize their abuse to their victims, as people under the age of 16 don't usually have enough experience in life to understand the perversity of the narrator's arguments. As a result, the book has become synecdoche for both "stories about girls seducing grown men" as well as "experimental fiction that is so subversive it comes across as evil".
 It's one of the most beautifully phrased novels in english literary history, it both viciously decries child abuse and recognizes that the perpetrators are more sick than evil, without minimizing the harm done to the victims, and is a rare case where, the more nuanced you read the book, the more disgust you feel. It's easy to just drift away on the dreamlike passages that Humbert uses to lull you into submission, but he's always saying something incredibly vile.
+--- 21989249
+>>21988616
+Taken at face value, the words in the book are clearly a tragic love story between two people who met each other too early and too late. Banking on rereading and hidden meaning and unreliable narrator was a mistake, as all readers are dumb as shit (including me).
+--- 21989265
+>>21986949
+Go back to reading YA
+--- 21990429
+>>21988616
+>a sort of puzzle
+when you look at the puzzle elements in his other works its clear he means there is something more concrete and clever about the structure and not simply "Humbert was romanticizing his crimes." (not that he wasn't, or not that he always is). i dont think anyone has solved it, whereas i think pale fire was solved.
+>but the only facts we have come from this alcoholic diddling egomaniac.
+the only facts we have come from his lawyer with a suspicious name
+>it both viciously decries child abuse and recognizes that the perpetrators are more sick than evil, without minimizing the harm done to the victims, and is a rare case where, the more nuanced you read the book, the more disgust you feel.
+he denies again and again that it was a decrying of anything. everyone constantly tries pulling the novel in a moral direction. for mass audiences art is always lame commentary on le life. 
+>>21989249
+its much more comical than it is romantic. even at its darkest it feels more like youre watching drunken tom lamenting over jerry.
+--- 21990433
+to anyone saying humbert is an intentional calculating manipulator instead of a delusional maniac as his over the top ramblings would make it seem, a few things i dont understand:
+
+>the law is the law and appealing to a jury about murder wont help much? maybe a life sentence instead of a death sentence, idk much about this topic. but also he doesnt want his memoirs published until after lolitas death? can they still be used in court? i always took his addressing of the jury to be figurative
+
+>why THE FUCK would he leave the part about wanting to have children with lo so that once she grows old he can continue the cycle with their babies in the manuscript? sounds like the confessions of a man with nothing to lose. he also does not come off as normalizing but artistifying the story, while i think normalizing the story with a more modest appeal to relatability would be a better strategy. he lays his solipsism on the table, and his own depictions of his interactions with anyone but lolita paint him in an unlikable and unrelatable light.
+>he killed a man. not a good move for a cold calculating manipulator. more like the passionate romantic fantasy of a lunatic.
+--- 21990643
+>>21978503
+>t. Roastie
+--- 21990650
+>>21978584
+My brother just caught his daughter watching male homosexual porn…she’s 12. The idea that women don’t do the same things little boys do is absolutely absurd.
+--- 21990773
+>>21990650
+12yo boys who watch porn are still not able to consent. Yes boys and girls do the same things, fujos exist and are a well known thing. That doesn't mean humbert did not incite the behaviour from her and either way he was planning on raping her in her sleep before she went and did that
+--- 21991453
+he's a swell kind of guy
+--- 21991459
+>>21990773
+>incite the behavior from her
+>h-he made me be horny and sexual!
+
+A woman wrote this post.
+--- 21991491
+>>21991459
+>I’m a pedophile 
+A man wrote this post.
+--- 21991511
+>>21990429
+>i dont think anyone has solved it
+I get the impression its mystery wasn't written to be solvable, hence my "sort of" qualifier.
+>the only facts we have come from his lawyer
+Ah fair. Misspoke. Should've said that and "and the ravings of Humbert".
+>he denies again and again that it was a decrying of anything
+He denies that as the intention of the work, as the operative motive, and I believe it. However, I don't believe a non-pedo can read the book in good faith and not think that Humbert is supposed to be a ridiculous parody of the stereotype of "exceptional intellect affords exceptional morals". He's more than that as a character, and the book is not just a satire. However, the aesthetic experiment seems to center entirely around that premise. Can good people be inspired to live in the mind of a narcissistic diddler for hours just for the sake of prettiness? Can he convince them? The purpose doesn't need to be moral for the aesthetics to center on morality, and the fact he didn't write the book in order to decry pedophilia is not an argument against the interpretation that the novel does, at least incidentally, do so.
+--- 21992571
+>>21991511
+>I get the impression its mystery wasn't written to be solvable, hence my "sort of" qualifier.
+would be too cheap of a move for nabby. not elegant at all
+>be a ridiculous parody of the stereotype of "exceptional intellect affords exceptional morals"
+if this was true it would be satire. i agree that he is much more than this as a character to the point where this isnt the point of the book and that the aesthetic experiment doesnt center around it.
+>Can good people be inspired to live in the mind of a narcissistic diddler for hours just for the sake of prettiness?
+i dont think that the cliche of humbert writing beautifully about his crimes holds up. his prose is consistently closer to crazy than pretty. the book definitely doesnt defend rape and manipulation, but it doesnt mean that it decries it. a murder mystery doesnt decry murder, because that is artistically irrelevant to the goal of a murder mystery. that that humberts actions lead to bad things doesnt mean its anywhere near a message of the book. it is, like you said, incidental. if anything is made fun of its the freudian dr john rays interpretation of the story as not a very particular case but a morality tale with generalized implications
+--- 21992703
+>>21978493 (OP)
+>traumatized by an early love's death who couldn't cope.
+That part of the book was one of the more obvious examples of parody. You should be embarrassed. He literally took Poe's Annabel Lee and used it to parodize the backstory for his protagonist. It was a deliberate jab at the psychoanalytic crowd, whom he despised, who would always try to identify some explanation for someone's behavior in his past. 
+
+>>21978518
+>became pedos (but paedophilia retained its devastating effects).
+You are such a tool, it's unreal. What are "paedophilia's devastating effects"?
+
+>>21978721
+>moral instincts
+Lol
+But at least you are correct on one point: paedophilia IS repressed. In fact, it's probably the only thing that the contemporary psyche feels the need to repress, because it's so unacceptable in our society. 
+
+>>21979582
+Nah, she's actually a child model who's very well known in the Netherlands.
+
+>>21980792
+>>21980835
+Nabokov contrived Mr Haze to be deceased for a reason.
+
+>>21981284
+>children are unable to make comprehensive decisions
+Meaningless. No one can make "comprehensive" decisions. It does not follow that abusing this "deficiency" will "corrupt their boundaries", nor that such sexual congress will compel the child in turn to "abuse" other children once an adult. 
+>biological boundary
+Not for anyone over 12-13 years old.
+>teach children about sex openly and clearly allowing children to grow into the physical part of their sexuality in a healthy way that will minimise potential harm to others and themselves.
+Kumbaya, my Lord.
+>because they have no empathy for children.
+It may be impossible for any adult to have empathy for a child since the two are so different. Hence why most adults find it difficult to relate to children. 
+You are even more of a tool than. >>21978518
+
+>>21978522
+>Dolores was r4ped by Humbert
+Sure, but actually it was the other way around, because Humbert is a pusillanimous little git who could never act on his desires. So he only has sexual intercourse with Lolita for the first time ON HER INITIATIVE. That's sexual fantasy 101: she initiates it.

lit/21978895.txt

@@ -299,3 +299,82 @@ Literally how do you even do that? "Experiences" just seem to happen to some peo
 --- 21987871
 >>21986002
 You know what I meant. I'm not a creative type as in I don't splash paint on canvas and pretend im avante garde
+--- 21989518
+>>21987695
+It's partially true. You can be totally unlucky, but overwhelming majority of people can have 'experiences.' The biggest cock-block for expecriencing life is mental ilness, mostly anxiety and low self-esteem. My live was fucked in a major way by living on a country side and spending 3h back and forth to get to school, meaning that while other people just woke up walked everywhere they wanted, I had to journey. As a result I was secluded, which compounded by acute mental issues made me spent 95% of my time at home between ages 14-22. 
+
+But. You can still get experiences even in that state. You just need to seek them out. Even bad experiences are experiences, and happen less likely than you would think. You can always leave your house. When you meet new people, do your best to spend time with them, never refuse an invitation. If I could meet my younger self, I would slap him for everytime he refused an invitation. Nothing changed my life more than spending time with people.
+
+Most people just 'get' to be interesting by living a life around other people, but some like us need to work for it and seek out anything on our own. It sucks, but the alternative is the Abyss.
+--- 21989536
+>>21978895 (OP)
+>/lit/
+>educated
+>well-read
+--- 21990104
+>>21989536
+I'm almost past my philosophy bachelor degree and I would hardly call myself well-read, dunno what these guys are smoking
+--- 21990129
+>>21987695
+Much of it is presentation, quite frankly. Obviously running across colourful characters helps, but a lot "colourful characters" I've later met have proven something of a disappointment because it turned out they were mythologized by the people around them. Myself I've been part of "legendary adventures" that honestly were just a regular night out, people were just in an unusually good mood and something funny happened along the way so they looked back on it with fondness and maybe stretched the truth a little. Right presentation also means that you can turn your square family in a boring town the squarest family in the most boring town in the world which makes it interesting. That said, getting out there and getting some perspective means it'll be easier to see what makes your family and town so ordinary, or on the contrary, what happened there that was actually somewhat unusual on a second thought.
+--- 21990183
+>>21979125
+>Like I said, absolutely nobody, nobody on this entire plant would want to read anything you write.
+I would.
+your argument is false now
+--- 21990711
+>>21980686
+he is lol
+--- 21990725
+>>21987695
+Knausgaard can write a fascinating essay about something as banal as taking a shit in a house with his kids present, and how even the sanctity of this solitude is violated by the transcendent responsibility that comes from being a parent, all on account of him being able to exactly pinpoint his children's whereabouts while shitting, due to hearing their footsteps.
+Consciousness as such is the most endlessly fascinating thing there is, and plenty of good stuff as been written about and by boring people.
+--- 21990743
+>>21989518
+>The biggest cock-block for expecriencing life is mental ilness, mostly anxiety and low self-esteem.
+Yeah, that's me. My brain is broken. Literally spent about a year stuck inside at one point, because I was just convinced I would come home and my house would be on fire, or my cat would be dead. Couldn't get those ideas out of my head, so I was effectively imprisoned for a year.
+>Just go and start a bar-fight or something, man!
+I actually can't. I'm insane. The anxiety would turn me into a blubbering mess.
+--- 21990761
+>>21978895 (OP)
+Funny, I'm like the opposite, makes sense why so many people on this forum are crabs
+>grade 9 dropout
+>tons of life experience
+>socially fluid extrovert can make friends anywhere
+/lit/ losers definitely need to put down the computer, pick up the alcohol bottle, and go live life as best they can in the demon world of 2023.
+>it is only going to get worse, might as well enjoy the now as much as you can
+--- 21990771
+>>21990761
+>Larp as a subhuman normalfag, to get roast beef, sub par roastie pussy
+>Somehow think your superior to anyone else
+>???
+
+Kill yourself
+--- 21990776
+>>21990761
+I've been drunk before, hoping it would trigger some mad streak of impulsiveness. No, the most that happens is I tell my dad I hate him, and send him into a depressive spiral. Nothing ever gets any better.
+I'm a boring person, surrounded by boring people. I don't even have anyone to direct my anger at, because none of them deserve it, and I immediately turn myself into the bad guy whenever I lash out at someone.
+--- 21990778
+>>21990771
+Still better than being a shut-in loser in some basement somewhere with zero pussy, zero life experience, and a hobby of crabbing people with life experience who write
+--- 21990781
+>>21990776
+You sound like an incredibly boring person.
+--- 21990784
+>>21990781
+Yeah, I know. What am I supposed to do about it?
+--- 21991223
+>>21990761
+And now you're a homeless bum. Seek help, Jason.
+--- 21991228
+>>21979227
+because we're on the literature subchan?
+--- 21991244
+>>21991223
+Hey Alex, should I post some photos of Nadia in her panties?
+--- 21991257
+>>21979290
+Put me in the screencap
+--- 21991260
+>>21991244
+Sounds good.

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@@ -813,3 +813,478 @@ Could also be that less people read books. "What makes one great is what they re
 --- 21988992
 >>21984764
 what a profound insight
+--- 21989344
+>>21979319
+People like to shit on NEETs but ironically our lives aren't all that different in terms of activity. The wagies can afford more starbucks and steak dinners, that's all.
+--- 21989390
+>>21979944
+Aspiring writers have a patreon page and get donations. Several of young, aspiring writers earn unbelievable money, 300k+ dollars a year just from patreon, not counting merch or books sold on amazon and audiobooks. Those who are good (as in, write what people want to read) can be successful. Those who are uninteresting perish. It has ever been so. It is so today. All else is cope.
+--- 21989422
+was the 1990s the end point of cultural commentary? in the late 90s there was a common theme of "modern alienation". books/movies like fight club, where the general feeling is that nothing really happens anymore and you won't get satisfaction from society. after that there isnt much to talk about. culture has never moved on from that feeling.
+--- 21989516
+>>21989390
+>Those who are good (as in, write what people want to read)
+I could write 200k words of foot fetish erotica and make more money in a year than Edgar Allan Poe did in his lifetime, adjusting for inflation. Would you mistake that for good?
+--- 21989646
+Why isn't anyone talking about the wealth of great indie presses publishing genuinely interesting work such as - Amphetamine Sulphate, Apocalypse Party, Infinity Land Press, Nine Banded Books, Expat etc. ?
+--- 21989653
+>>21988293
+Anon, writing communities exist, especially the ones engaged with Amazon & Patreon. There are discords with authors collaborating and circle-jerking each other, especiallyfor authors of LitRPGs/Progression Fantasy stuff. You look at Amazon and Patreon and see the same names. You see them reviewing each other on Royalroad and other sites, supporting each other, using the same few audiobook narrators. Micro-cosmos of big publishing. 
+
+But they only engage with their genre. Fantasy authors at best read Pratchett, GRR Martin or Wheel of Times. Anything older than 30-40 years could just as well not exist. Well, some reference the greeks or some latin writers, but that's about it. 
+
+It must be remarked upon there're actual writing cliques, especially on Reddit where they rule subreddits with over 50k users and steer the discussion towards their own works. Shit's wild.
+--- 21989701
+>>21984794
+>>21988650
+>“Why don’t you let them see Othello instead?”
+
+>“I’ve told you; it’s old. Besides, they couldn’t understand it.”
+
+>Yes, that was true. He remembered how Helmholtz had laughed at Romeo and Juliet. “Well then,” he said, after a pause, “something new that’s like Othello, and that they could understand.“
+
+>“That’s what we’ve all been wanting to write,” said Helmholtz, breaking a long silence.
+
+>“And it’s what you never will write,” said the Controller. “Because, if it were really like Othello nobody could understand it, however new it might be. And if it were new, it couldn’t possibly be like Othello.”
+
+>“Why not?”
+
+>“Yes, why not?” Helmholtz repeated. He too was forgetting the unpleasant realities of the situation. 
+
+>“Because our world is not the same as Othello’s world. You can’t make flivvers without steel—and you can’t make tragedies without social instability. The world’s stable now. People are happy; they get what they want, and they never want what they can’t get. They’re well off; they’re safe; they’re never ill; they’re not afraid of death; they’re blissfully ignorant of passion and old age; they’re plagued with no mothers or fathers; they’ve got no wives, or children, or lovers to feel strongly about; they’re so conditioned that they practically can’t help behaving as they ought to behave. And if anything should go wrong, there’s soma. Which you go and chuck out of the window in the name of liberty, Mr. Savage. Liberty!” He laughed. “Expecting Deltas to know what liberty is! And now expecting them to understand Othello! My good boy!”
+
+>The Savage was silent for a little. “All the same,” he insisted obstinately, “Othello’s good, Othello’s better than those feelies.”
+
+>“Of course it is,” the Controller agreed. “But that’s the price we have to pay for stability. You’ve got to choose between happiness and what people used to call high art. We’ve sacrificed the high art. We have the feelies and the scent organ instead.”
+
+>“But they don’t mean anything.”
+
+>“They mean themselves; they mean a lot of agreeable sensations to the audience.”
+
+>“But they’re ... they’re told by an idiot.”
+
+>The Controller laughed. “You’re not being very polite to your friend, Mr. Watson. One of our most distinguished Emotional Engineers ...”
+
+>“But he’s right,” said Helmholtz gloomily. “Because it is idiotic. Writing when there’s nothing to say ...”
+--- 21989745
+>>21989516
+>Would you mistake that for good?
+Is philosophical musings good only because they are compelling to intelectuals? Is exploration of a phylosophical concept worth more than a scene of a futa woman making love to her shy, anxious boyfriend that the audience can relate to and self-insert? What makes for good literature? The rarity with which a topic is tackled? The intellect necessary to write coherently on a subject? Is a well-written power fantasy harem erotica worth more or less than amateurish and uninformed book on social structure and economy? 
+
+Is one feeling of satisfaction better than another? Platon wrote Fileb, and he finished it leaving the question unanswered. If we had 200 kafkas with 1000 novels on loneliness, social alienation and anxiety, and only 10 erotica writers, would the erotica writers be worth more? 
+
+Which would give the reader more after finishing the book? Would it really be the 'high literature' that is supposed to be mentally stimulating and leave the reader with tough question or a wider perception of reality? Or maybe it would be the 200k long foot fetish erotica that overall has more positive impact on someone's life. Wouldn't that be 'good'? Something that DESERVES more support?
+
+How do we decide which is which?
+--- 21989962
+>>21989745
+de sade is considered one of the greats. porn or erotica itself is not the problem. but mediocrity is. come on, you already know it.
+--- 21989988
+>>21986084
+This I think bothers me more than anything else about the modern workers state of being that if you dare to live on your own or to travel or to simply exist you know "I was working out in a cave for 3 months reading Greek mythology fuck you" okay so now you're too much of a wild card and the golden more like pewter handcuffs we offer just aren't going to be enough so we might as well not risk even talking to you anymore.
+--- 21990007
+>>21989646
+Because we are retarded and you have to post each title along with the author along where to find it along with a synopsis we're completely over inundated with information so you posting these titles into the void I read and just go huh and then my attention shifts back to the audio from the friends simulator so I have playing in the background as I get ready to leave for wage slaving.
+--- 21990029
+>>21984794
+It honestly comes off as something of a dark age and I think that's where the exploration needs to begin. And not just books I mean everything cultural artistic intellectual it's simply not going to be approved of or boosted by the current regime and it's ruling classes you have to exclusively exist in the puddle of mud that is outsider art and so much of that in the coming decades and centuries is going to be lost and forgotten yes even with and in fact because of the internet and electronic storage and distribution mediums. And again this could go on for a few decades and we just look back at the current culture the same way people look at 70s haircuts or this could go on for a thousand years I don't have a way out of a dark age but certainly we are in one.
+--- 21990059
+>>21979735
+I don't think there's going to be a regressive free for all. The post-War liberal world order is on its way out and thank God but all this is shifting to, unless something changes, is Chinese predomination of markets and thus technological and cultural direction. Which, personally I'm excited for as multipolarity and illiberal societies will bring entirely new directions of technology and its supposed uses, systems of production, cultural initiatives and so on and it's from these things (we used to have) that we get our writers, painters, musicians, etc. The US world order has been congealing blood in an increasingly putrid corpse since the 90's.
+--- 21990075
+>>21989962
+This.
+--- 21990115
+>>21990059
+>The post-War liberal world order is on its way out and thank God but all this is shifting to, unless something changes, is Chinese predomination of markets and thus technological and cultural direction
+Anon, China is dead. Aside of its ticking bomb of population that will implode it from the inside, just a half year ago USA banned trade of microelectronics to China. All of their AI and advanced technology research is dead. They have nothing to replace it with. I mean, they can try, but that will take years, meanwhile USA and Europe run ahead. Technology dead in the water, societal collapse imminent, what crack are you snorting to think China is able to become more than 2nd, 3rd tier player?
+--- 21990145
+>>21989653
+It's not the communities that are lacking, it's the simularicon of that community..it's the spectical of /literary greatness/ which is observed by the everyman on the street which is lacking.
+
+Anyone can start a book club or contribute to a zine. What's missing is a spectical which takes the act of reading a certain book or contributing to a certain magazine and /elevates/ that to near mythic proportions.
+
+That's why I don't agree with ppl itt that say social media has killed literature. If anything, literature is floundering because it takes itself too seriously for social media. There has to be a sense, in the Anglo world as exists in the French, that being a great writer, writing the great novel that defines your generation, is a Promethean struggle which will get you invited to all the best parties, let you sleep with all the best women, and carve a notch in history which will never really be forgotten. People will always write books, but there was a time where writing books carried the same status as a rock star. It seems like the establishment doesn't want to prop up authors as rock stars any more, at least not straight make authors, so the question has to be: how can that perception be forced on the population at large regardless.
+--- 21990172
+>>21990145
+Authors don't have rock star personalities anymore. The establishment can't prop up that which isn't there.
+
+(Frankly, rock *bands* don't have rock star personalities anymore. I blame austerity for this endless kumbaya.)
+--- 21990324
+>>21979185 (OP)
+read houellebecq
+--- 21990349
+>>21990324
+lol
+--- 21990460
+>>21989422
+I think 9/11 and then the rise of internet quashed civilized ennui as a mainstream subject. Now the main concerns are gay tranny PoC wank and clown-world outrage/emergencies.
+--- 21990634
+>>21990172
+Who's fault is this though? There's not shortage of heroin addicts, ex cons, and mercenaries who are plausibly literate (honesty with the right persona you can just use a ghost writer), so why isn't there any push to cultivate these people? Why does everything need to be sterile and castrated to make it into the citadel?
+
+Every generation in the history of literature had it's Rimbauds. But now we get Harvard educated Jews and Wine Aunts.
+--- 21990760
+>>21990634
+>>21990172
+What stops authors to be as socialy active as in the days past? Just look at H. G. Wells, he wrote almost 40 novels, incredibly well known in between 1890-1950. He not only wrote Time Machine, he made interviews with fucking Lenin and Stalin, very active in radio. Wrote texts that influenced the conception of United Nations post WW2. Can you name a writer today who's capable of this? Could G.R.R. Martin go and do something socialy that isn't just another medium to be consumed?
+
+Now look at Youdkowsky. He wrote Methods of Rationality, a very well known fanfiction. Part of rationalist community. Never actually published. Yet at the same very active in media. An authority in terms of AI, people make interviews with him, the infamous 'we need to bomb servers of people not aligned with our views on AI Developement' comes from him. 
+
+Another person from rationalist community? Scott Alexander. His blog is so well-read and influencial he was targeted by the main-stream media after writing controversial article on how Democrats aren't as good as they claim to be (he's the furthest thing from a Republican, btw). He also wrote a fantasy/sci-fi(?) book, not published in print IIRC. 
+
+These people are modern H.G. Wells. They write, are read, and use their influence in the real world. 
+
+Why? Because published books aren't what gets you popular in the right ways in the modern era of information. Writers were 'Influencers' of the old era, now most of their position has been replaced. Bloggers are where it's at. Youtube is where it's at. Substack. Era of writers just writing, getting published and getting an access to intelectual circles is over. Intelectual circle is on substack, few clicks away.
+--- 21991170
+>>21990760
+Great post, even if people are going to hate on it. Our current culture of letters is in YouTube video essays and Twitter users shilling their substack. Probably this will eventually coalesce in groups of influencers hanging out in third world countries with low cost of living and cheap high speed internet. It seems like lots of right wing e-celebs have been flocking to India lately, although I'd prefer mexico or Argentina myself.
+--- 21991193
+>>21990760
+Anyone who dissents is either a fraud trying to grift in 2023
+>tate
+>any substack
+>controlled opposition like Alex Jones, Dim Fool
+Or they are just banned from everywhere completely and you will never hear any of their views because it is too threatening to the establishment
+>jason bryan
+You cry out like a bitch:
+"what stops authors to be as socialy active as in the days past?"
+Bro, we HAVE been very social, where were you in the 2010's? The problem is, that society was tightening the rules of what you could say for so long, that the authors who were socially active in the 2010's and earlier are just all banned now.
+
+How can you even get your work out there if you're banned, fucking moron?
+
+If Bloggers are where it's at, then certainly writers like Brett Stevens would have a following, or Molymeme, but no, they aren't part of the cathedral so they're absolutely ass-blasted by obscurity. If you're too stupid to realize that the entire social fabric of the west is pozzed beyond belief, then nothing can save you.
+
+You are either writing pro-establishment shit, or establishment-adjacent shit, or you're an outcast. There is very, very, VERY little room to walk the knife's edge in the neutral zone between the establishment and the social outcasts. The conformity is so incredibly all-encompassing that nobody outside of the mainstream paradigm will ever be taken seriously.
+
+What happened to the guy who did the Zeitgeist series? Where do you ever heard about Black Pigeon Speaks outside of niche circles? Where's Dylan Avery's appearances in mainstream news?
+
+If you aren't sucking the dicks of the corpo-governmental social apparatus, you're going to be mired in places full of shit and crabs, like /lit/.
+--- 21991195
+>>21991170
+>lots of right wing e-celebs
+You got grifted hard, dipshit.
+--- 21991205
+>>21990172
+Speak for yourself moron, I definitely lived a rockstar life during the 00's and half of the 2010's, but there is NO PLACE in modern society for an outspoken straight white male. We are at the bottom of the totem pole and the Canadian government imports a new brown citizen every 1.4 seconds of every day of the year.
+
+If you can't see what is happening in front of your face, then you're too stupid to even live and should KYS immediately. The entire cultural landscape is controlled by corporations and government, while the demographics are being replaced as fast as possible by strong, tribalistic people who will support each other while if you're white, the boomers absolutely hate their own young and do everything they can to profit off the nose-dive of this country.
+
+Just look around /lit/ to see what the future is for white guys who create. You will just be relentlessly attacked while if you look on other platforms, the establishment authors are uplifted by everyone and promoted non-stop by their fans and the corporations they work for and with.
+--- 21991209
+>>21991195
+If you're too midwit to appreciate Chad Hagg Peak Oil that's on you buddy
+--- 21991224
+>>21991209
+None of these "right wing e celebs" are actually real. Every single one is a grifter.
+
+Remember Jack Murphy? Mr. Alpha Male himself? Where'd he disappear off to after getting caught doing gay porn on streams?
+
+These are your "right wing e celebs" bro... all fakers and liars.
+--- 21991292
+>>21989745
+>Is exploration of a phylosophical concept worth more than a scene of a futa woman making love to her shy, anxious boyfriend that the audience can relate to and self-insert?
+
+Yes. You are engaging in post-modern relativism which is incorrect since the existence of God underpins all values. Objective values exist because God exists.
+--- 21991335
+https://www.montanarightnow.com/missoula/zooey-zephyr-back-in-missoula/video_771bd22a-e6a9-11ed-b166-1373b0307a37.html
+
+Another thing, if you want to be a "rockstar" in 2023, you don't try and be a fun, adventurous white guy with an attitude...
+
+You become a woman, then the normies line up to cheer on your delusion!
+--- 21991364
+>>21981406
+What is this exerpt from? Id like to read more
+--- 21991403
+>>21991193
+>authors are banned
+>cathedral
+Darkly Enlightened moron detected. I thought all of you died off after your stupid schizo movement failed to launch. Unsurprised some of you dwell of /lit/
+--- 21991410
+>>21991403
+Let me guess, you still think there are fundamental differences between political parties?
+
+Different wings, all the same bird.
+--- 21991420
+>>21991292
+>I'm right because God
+Is it truly the best you can do? God exists therefore value is objective? You must recognize how intelectualy lazy it is. You basicaly reduce everything to convincing another person to be a believer in your specific God, otherwise you have nothing to say. Teology at its worst. 
+
+Btw, even if I would agree to objective values, I don't see how YOU can tell me WHICH values are objectively higher than others. 
+
+If Good and Love is more valuable than Knowledge, wouldn't a futa erotica cause more Good to people than a piece of text containing some Knowledge? One would definitely cause people to feel better.
+--- 21991423
+>>21991410
+No, because I'm not a americuck. I can watch all the way from Europe how schizos who can't comprehend the reality build unhinged theories to justify their fringe radicalism. You are delusional and utterly detatched from reality, which is why even 4chan schizos can't treat you seriously. Take meds, go outside.
+--- 21991435
+>>21984529
+Hemingway is a bit of a point in your favor because he specifically made a point of to-the-point writing that wasn’t intertextual with the 2000 years of canon behind him.
+But Dickens and Fitzgerald, literally yes.
+--- 21991445
+>>21987649
+Would you link your books about Soviets in Central Asia? That sounds like a worthwhile read
+--- 21991519
+>>21991445
+Theyre not out yet, going to release them as a series with a bunch of additional maps, essays, etc. attached as appendixes. I'll make a thread here when it's out, but in the meantime the books are: Blood and Oil in the Orient by Essay Bey; Asian Odyssey by Dmitri Alioshin; and Men, Beasts, and Gods by Ferdynand Ossedowski. The last one gets a lot of attention here, but the other two are criminally underated.
+
+Blood and Oil is the autobiography of Essad Bey, a young Jewish-Azerbijani refugee turned Muslim convert turned fascist children's writer, and is kind of a broad description of the Orient on the cusp of modernity. Asian Odyssey is an adventure novel of a young Russian officer who ended up fighting in Mongolia under Baron Ungern-Sternberg, a White Russian mystic and warlord who tried to create a pan Eurasian empire to oppose the soviets through syncretic warrior Buddhism.
+
+The entire period is absolutely bizarre and full of drama and adventure, so it's fun to read about. Sadly ignored by contemporary historians who'd rather focus on the Western Front. Each book will have a couple short stories/essays and a collection of historically contemporary maps, so stay tuned.
+--- 21991533
+>>21990760
+Nobody cares about “socially active” writers. They want good poets and novelists writing good poetry and novels. Their being “socially active” is merely a pre-requisite to writing good stuff. If you think they’ve been replaced by influencers in this regard you’re missing the point. They’ve not been replaced. They’ve simply disappeared.
+--- 21991540
+>>21989422
+Well, it did get a little stale. If you really are at the end of history and nothing ever happens, what are you going to do? Write about that feeling forever? 3 decades on and it’s boring to talk about. When did fiction become about “social commentary” anyway? Is that just what we do when we can’t actually make anything genuinely good? Fight Club was good on its own but hot garbage relative to something like the Count of Monte Cristo.
+--- 21991541
+>>21989390
+What the masses of online people want to read is not necessarily what’s genuinely good. If it were up to funding from the masses, Moby Dick would’ve never been written.
+--- 21991550
+>>21988650
+If you have a finished manuscript, you may as well try to get it published. That’s as easy as e-mailing an agent or a publisher or whoever. Sometimes it helps to get some short stories published first.
+--- 21991569
+>>21988293
+The best possible solution would be something like writers’ schools or communes, clubs basically for writers and poets work together and dedicate themselves to writing, not unlike what existed in Greek and Rome, not unlike a community of religious monks in a monastery.
+--- 21991577
+>>21988261
+I think the more we slide into the online space, the more literature and real life die. In my mind, the ideal solution is something for poets and writers like what monasteries are for monks. Otherwise, we’re going to be stuck with being lone wolves.
+--- 21991583
+>>21988261
+It’s not dead and it will never completely die, probably not anyway, but it seems really indisputable to me that the written word is struggling to compete with the screen for the attention of would-be readers.
+--- 21991697
+Andrei Tarkovsky said that he saw film as a sort of poetry, and approached all of his films as a poet might approach his poems. Many people have commented that Tarkovsky appears as a sort of successor to Dostoevsky. I’m not going to say claim that I agree with either of these statements, but I don’t think the sentiments suggest something about times. I suspect that a lot of creative talent, and frankly the function that books used to fulfill in relationship to the uncultured culture and uncivilized civilization broadly, has migrated over to more modern mediums, namely film, animation, and video games. People don’t engage with epic poetry like they used to. Neither do they engage with the novel like they used to. But movies? Video games? Sure. I’m not totally convinced of all this, but it’s something I think about. And I notice it in my favorite movies and games.
+--- 21991711
+>>21991550
+You have a better chance of winning the fucking lottery than getting a novel published.
+--- 21991713
+>>21991569
+These already exist and they're gay as hell
+--- 21991714
+>>21991423
+If you knew Canadian politics at all, you'd know all the 3 big parties, NDP, CPC, and LPC, all have the same policies.
+--- 21991716
+>>21979185 (OP)
+Jews and SJW atheists who adopt jewish victimhood and kvetching.
+
+Try writing something outside of the bounds of "permitted thought' and sell it on Amazon, it'll be taken down once some jew or SJW sees it and cries.
+--- 21991719
+>>21991713
+100% this. Buddy has not been to a writer's event in his life. If you're a straight guy, like maybe 1/10 guys there will also be straight. So many old homos and fat chicks.
+--- 21991792
+>>21979185 (OP)
+There are greater writers. 
+
+They will be known 100 years from now, maybe.
+
+But in our present age literature is not commercially viable. 
+
+I am one such greater writer. My tales and talent are an accomplishment for all humanity. Yet there is little humanity about me, only swine as far as the eye can see. There's nothing to do but hone your craft and distill your stories in the meanwhile.
+--- 21991818
+>>21980106
+Tell me the truth anon, are you repeating a talking point you heard from Mencius Moldbug? Because he makes this exact same point. I want to know, honestly now. 
+
+Also
+>he thinks nothing happens
+Things happen, it's just that they are organized and orchestrated, you could call them artificial I guess. They absolutely do happen though, until they are likewise stopped. What you describe is the in between.
+--- 21991861
+Modern hi-tech, developed and industrialized civilization cultivates the bodily senses, but not the bodily health, nor the spiritual life beyond that (which includes fields like art, philosophy, theology, poetry, novel-writing, and the like, being seen as “useless and unprofitable detritus”). Hence, the average modern citizen is physically ill, mentally, emotionally and physically desensitized through excessive hedonism and bad habits, and spiritually dead. 
+
+The average highlights of this “amazingly high new standard-of-life” of modern industrialized civilization (as Steven Pinker will graciously explain many of us now have, as compared to much of past history) are pornographic titillation (not even actually having sex for many young men now, apparently, according to studies and polls, as even that’s getting difficult for them, probably due to warped cultural dynamics around gender and politics, systematic impoverishment of the younger generations which makes them more likely to live with their parents, not have a good career etc. for much longer, and hence young men not being so appealing to women, and, finally perhaps even hormonal fuckery from all the toxic shit we eat, drink and breathe), or some drug high, or reading funny memes on the Internet, or social media addiction and smartphone addiction in general, playing the new video-game, or watching a good new movie or Netflix series.
+
+Combine this with the far deeper and sophisticated analyses given in this thread by former posters about various other sociological, economic, educational, etc. factors contributing to the homogenizing and domesticating of many literate modern citizens who could conceivably be our great writers, artists, and thinkers, into dull conformist serf-like pawns and careerist little toadies of a hyper-capitalist society with few interesting life experiences beyond going to school for too long and working uninspiring jobs, as well as the reverse Flynn effect or decreasing IQs and attention spans (probably Internet/smartphone/social media addiction plays a lot into this, as well as hyperprocessed food, obesity, sedentary lifestyles, etc., which also all have strong effects on the brain), and you have a recipe for a society by and large so chronically spiritually depleted, overworked (either that, or, paradoxically, underworked, as in the rise of NEETs, both of which conditions seem just as soul-crushing), and so insipid and uninspiring in their personal lives that it’s hard to imagine how they’ll rear great artists, writers, and thinkers.
+--- 21991871
+>>21991719
+Did I say writer’s event or did I say writer’s commune?
+--- 21991873
+In what Henry Miller presciently called “the air-conditioned nightmare” of much of modern American and European life, it’s tough to really get a store of interesting life experiences that might help one write, say, a moving novel, or create very profound characters, or have something very interesting to say. One has to be something a notch above the average “Last Man” of today (per Nietzsche) to have interesting thoughts and emotions, or life-experiences, worth conveying through art. 
+
+Ironically, it’s probably some “genre fiction” fields, or mining the tropes thereof, like sci-fi, for instance, that might rejuvenate the novel. Guys like Philip K. Dick, for example. Or historical fiction (like McCarthy, Pynchon, Ian McEwan, etc.) Or verging into surrealism, “magical fiction,” fantasy, and the like (like Kafka, Borges, Marquez, Pynchon again, Bolano, Ishiguro, Wallace, etc.). What else, on average, do many who plausibly CAN be great writers (with the requisite degree of socioeconomic comfortability and literacy to do so) have besides this to write of today that’s interesting, unless it’s diversity-hire novels, short stories and/or mediocre free-verse poetry about being a lesbian emigré from the Caribbean (a sort of redo of how Soviet realism made for mediocre artists, but now instead in a “Woke” hypercapitalist society), or some attempt to redo a Flaubert/Joyce/Proust (with a fundamentally realist attitude, that is, but focusing on beauty of style and psychological depth to raise it to the level art) about the modern suburban experience of life?
+
+(And, as the turgidity of a book like Gass’s “The Tunnel” proves, it’s now too easy to go so far with the latter, if one is a super-brainy well-read academic type, that it becomes too off-putting for much of the populace and not really that inspiring. The hangover of modernist and postmodernist literature, basically, which glorified difficulty, complexity, trickiness and flashiness for their own sakes.)
+
+Kacyznski was right about too many things, sadly.
+
+And don’t forget the famous quote of old Frederick Taylor Gates, advisor to the more well-known John D. Rockefeller who worked with him on creating the General Education Board, a massive founding influence on modern standardized public education!
+
+>In our dream, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. The present educational conventions fade from their minds; and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, editors, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply…
+--- 21991887
+>>21991420
+>Btw, even if I would agree to objective values, I don't see how YOU can tell me WHICH values are objectively higher than others.
+
+It is in here. Look at the consequences of amorality. Imagine what would happen to a society if people just did whatever they wanted. That is hell. It is not a coincidence that the Victorian age was the most stable and peaceful period in world history; it was due to Christian morality.
+--- 21991899
+>>21991792
+>Yet there is little humanity about me, only swine as far as the eye can see.
+Aren't most great writers sympathetic to the human condition, however foolish their fellow citizens might be? Don't you want to see them grow as people rather than dismiss them? A great writer cannot hold people in contempt.
+--- 21991908
+>>21991899
+Waste not hope on the hopeless.
+--- 21991976
+>>21991873
+>(with a fundamentally realist attitude, that is, but focusing on beauty of style and psychological depth to raise it to the level art)
+why exactly this is bad?. beauty of style and psychological depth are prerequisites to make great literature, isnt it?.
+--- 21992031
+>>21991908
+Nobody is hopeless with Christ.
+--- 21992089
+>>21992031
+based
+--- 21992123
+>>21979185 (OP)
+>likes of McCarthy
+He didn't get traction until well past 40. It's the same as music -- there's always great things going on, you're just not in the limited market loop to catch wind of it, and neither are the music studios/publishers whom have dropped the ball on proactively scouting talent with human intelligence + taking risks on it, versus the Boomer facilitated lazy version of swooping in on established acts that have grinded through those early filters. 
+
+>>21979319
+>>21979331
+>>21979339
+>There’s basically no market for that anymore
+And it's the exclusive domain of ne'er-do-well haute bourgeois MFAs where there are such monetization opportunities that remotely approximate that. 
+
+>>21979380
+Book deals are a routine payoff and money laundering modality. No one reads this shit, and trees die for nothing. 
+
+>>21979780
+>Film has risen to be the dominant cultural art form
+The return to theater may be an atavistically good thing, but it has more in common with poetry than prose when it does everything right. The ones that aim at what the novel does end up looking like Haneke. 
+
+>>21979859
+The likes of Peter Thiel yanking funny money out of Pandora Papers tier Silicon Valley Bank runs may be a good sign of Astroturf going the way of the dodo. 
+
+>>21980298
+>a race of bug men who's only real raison d'etre is to make the numbers of them and their patron's portfolios go up
+>the force of blood will overcome the force of money
+It is in the end as Mao said, and these Foxes are in for a rude awakening by those Wolves holding both real power and the moral high ground to dispose of them however they see fit. This is not Red-posting. 
+
+>>21980343
+This is an idyllic limited hangout fantasy that will garantee a breakaway civilization rules like unto gods behind the scenes with what is effectively UFO grade tech as automation facilitates the retrograde slide of civilization as the capital basis the biomass represented is no longer required. 
+
+>>21981406
+>more men are born following wars
+There are epigenetic cues with societal stressors - like the world war - precipitating such things. 
+
+>>21981666
+>checked
+Joseph Suglia, Table 41. It's about Chicago and an entire novel of a Thalidomide Kid episode from The Passenger.
+
+>>21981850
+>civil unrest occurred between a large body of students and the campus police, which was then covered by major news outlets
+The Berlin Wall settled nothing and we are living the prolonged hangover of the Cold War because of half measures by Silent to Boomer generations. 
+
+>>21984857
+>t. infant mortality zombie.
+
+>>21988650
+>It really appears that this post-modern world has no space for literature
+Silent reading was a regression. Literature - poetry - must be heard and spoken. ~ Nietzsche on prose composition ancient vs. breathless modern. 
+
+>>21989745
+What passes for 'philosophy' has nothing to do with wisdom, metis, or the exercise of will so as not to be compelled by one's inferiors. They're intellectual fidget spinners
+--- 21992164
+>>21991976
+It’s not necessarily bad and it could be done, too. But the bigger barrier to it is probably the declining attention spans and less reading of great and serious literature by the younger generations in general, due to flashier and easier alternatives (film, video games, TV shows and Netflix miniseries, etc.), which hence makes it less likely that the upcoming and present generations even CAN write books like this. Even Updike (a great realist author in this tradition) was foreseeing it decades ago and spoke in an interview how he was afraid the novel might die, as books like his were “something a bit more complex and attention-engaging than what youth today might be accustomed to and enjoy reading.” And Philip Roth’s final interview and renunciation of writing, too, exactly spoke of this, rather presciently — “the death of the novel.”
+--- 21992217
+>>21979185 (OP)
+Who controls all of the publishing houses now?
+--- 21992232
+>>21992031
+>>21992089
+The mediocrity of the present world is the purest and most inevitable expression of Christian principles. It is precisely their dominance that has lead us here. You are categorically wrong.
+--- 21992233
+>Why are there no great young writers in the West anymore?
+for the exact same reason that there is nothing great in the west anymore
+--- 21992268
+>>21992232
+You failed to notice that civilzation began to fall apart in the 20th century when people lost faith.
+--- 21992315
+>>21992268
+VGH...
+--- 21992339
+>>21983945
+I'd read a few hundred pages of "fuck you" desu
+--- 21992438
+>>21979870
+>anime are producing the greatest masterpieces of today, works of pure fantasy, scale, and humanity.
+
+wtf no theyre not 
+anime tried to be deep for awhile in the late 90s/early 00s but the money ran dry and it became formulaic trash just like everything else
+--- 21992445
+>>21979994
+My grandpa was a farmer and he lived a very interesting life. He could tell fucking awesome stories for hours, just rambling about his life and the things he experienced. What will you have to talk about when you're 80? That day you spent shitposting on /lit/?
+--- 21992453
+>>21980298
+This culture existed in America and President Lincoln burned, looted and murdered it.
+--- 21992458
+>>21992339
+fuck you
+--- 21992472
+>>21992268
+People don't need to believe in god to believe in the core tenets of Christianity. it became the very environment of the west, and after that it seeped deeper into the west and is functionally genetic. It suffuses the cultural, legal, and aesthetic backdrop in which we are all born and raised. Most people don't know the first thing about Moses but follow the commandments. And that sort of psychological underpinning is how we arrived here. Christianity is subconscious.
+--- 21992479
+>>21979185 (OP)
+In order of importance...
+
+>No hope for the future
+>No Incentive, because corporations will derail and then buy out your ideas
+>No Legacy for most young people in the West, disincentivizing people to do or learn much of anything.
+
+No woman, no kids and no home, with no hope of any of that ever happening in your lifetime and the promise of your nation slowly sliding into permanent brown means that most people simply won't. Its not that they can't write a masterpiece, conduct a symphony, win a Nobel Prize or invent the longer lasting lightbulb. They simply won't, because they won't get paid for it, and even if they did get paid for it, there's no legacy to apply that money and work towards, and even if there was a legacy, there's no future for the nations in which they live that makes people want to contribute.
+
+Its possible that someday someone will tackle the enormous task of totally purging and then reforming the sectors of education, entertainment, finance, sociology, government and manufacturing. However, since reforming even one of these is tantamount to basically building a whole new nation at this point, I think most people will just keep their heads down and amount to nothing until the system self-corrects in nuclear fire or rampant famine.
+--- 21992556
+>>21992453
+>Vgh, we could have been a literal mulatto slave state instead of just figuratively one
+>Never forget what they took from you.... a USA with tens of millions more Africans and the social/economic structure of a failed LatAm state
+--- 21992566
+>>21992556
+>steamrolls your path
+--- 21992577
+>>21979185 (OP)
+Anon, if you're still there? Can you clarify by what do you mean by young? Age 30 and below? I don't think this part is clarifed.
+--- 21992596
+>>21992479
+Who is going to write about 2023 Canada? Like WHO?
+
+Basically the only people writing will be gays, troons, women, and immigrants, because they are the only people who have built-in audiences that will read their genres. If you are writing about the state of Canada in 2023 in the negative, you will simply not even exist on social media. It takes someone with massive balls like Billboard Christ to get anywhere in the cultural zeitgeist these days because history is over. There isn't anything new to say or do other than troon out, because everyone has silently acknowledged the downfall has already happened. Nothing is "getting better" in society anymore, we're all waiting for something big to happen to reset shit.
+--- 21992757
+>be teacher
+>1 month left in the semester until finals
+>just finished grading the latest batch of essays 
+>mfw the class average is 35%
+My students are so fucking retarded it's unreal. Standards have dropped so badly a bunch of 17-18 year olds are unable to properly analyze All's Quiet on the Western Front.
+A quarter of the essays mention Hitler and the Holocaust for fucking some reason.
+--- 21992775
+>>21992596
+>If you are writing about the state of Canada in 2023 in the negative
+Because Canadians care more about hockey than anything else. That's it, period. The Angloid ones, anyway. 
+>>21992757
+>Standards have dropped so badly
+I know, right? Like how anons like you think they can pretend you're actually contributing members of society. Give me a break. A teacher? Please. Let me guess, you drop red pills to the boy in the far back, too?
+--- 21992790
+>>21992757
+>All's Quiet on the Western Front.
+See, teacher, nobody cares about that book, unless they do for their own reasons.
+>a bunch of 17-18 year olds are unable to properly analyze All's Quiet on the Western Front.
+Gimme a break. A bunch of teenagers won't really bother about reading old fiction, what do you expect? You may expect some standards but neither do you have one considering the use of anime picrel (yeah I'm judging you on that, unless you're a teenage girl, which is NOT) 
+
+Also, let me drop the bomb. You're their teacher. Maybe you just don't teach it well. Don't go around getting angry at them next time you see them because you're the one who posted your mistakes in 4chan.
+--- 21992794
+so what have we learned in this thread? that he won
+--- 21992862
+>>21992775
+Crazy to me that 11,000 people have OD'ed and died since 2016, like three 9/11 worth of human lives, and COUNTLESS more people who survived but have brain damage and are more addicted and fucked up than ever... yet Canada just marches on with acceptable losses because boomers are STILL profiting from their real estate due to mass immigration.
+
+What a wild time to be alive. The youth have no chance.
+--- 21992864
+>>21992794
+That most 4chaners belong to a disenfranchised, impotent group of 20-30+ men that do not fit into modern society and reject its values. Majority of people fit, and consider the society good enough. We are either going to get a revolution somewhere, soon, or the society will move closer and closer towards internal antagonism as the impotent groups don't vanish, only grow.
+--- 21992871
+>>21979185 (OP)
+Collapse of Christianity
+--- 21992894
+>>21992864
+Being 44, I don't even understand how most 20-somethings in Canada make it through the day. Life was SO kino 20 years ago. Now it is a world of shit, surrounded by NPC boomers, hopeless zoomers, and crackheads.
+--- 21992939
+>>21979185 (OP)
+To OP and all of you illiterate idiots, name at least three books from authors born from the 80s onwards that you have read in order to say that "there are no great young writers"
+--- 21992994
+ITT cope

lit/21979225.txt

@@ -514,3 +514,74 @@ Priore neither smiled nor frowned. “You are too kind.” The Duke was only bei
 A curtsy and a bow. As both parties turned to leave, (the knights were becoming terribly impatient,) the Duke added, “Oh, and one more thing. Don’t fall for any of his tricks. He is excessively polite.”
 
 To this, Priore did not respond.
+--- 21989125
+>>21988443
+Thanks for the kind words friend. I love blabbing too, especially when I'm excited about a new idea or a scene I've written. Best thing is to just tell yourself you're not allowed to share or talk about anything at all until it's all done. Then you get extra motivation to finish the thing. Be strict with yourself. Enjoy the loneliness of creation.
+--- 21990694
+>>21987747
+i'd read this book for a chapter at least. good job anon.
+--- 21990716
+>>21988443
+>This is so goddamn good
+Kek
+--- 21990729
+>>21990716
+Go on…
+--- 21990766
+>>21979236
+>>21981975
+
+Pure kino.
+--- 21990863
+>>21979756
+It looks promising, but your sentences are almost all of the same length Try making compund or complex sentences to improve the flow
+--- 21991190
+>>21987007
+skip the last two stories because they aren't really worth (practically teen love)
+--- 21991848
+Do you know what will happen to 100 individuals who start even at the age of 25, and
+who believe they will be successful? By the age of 65, only five out of 100 will make
+the grade! Why do so many fail? What happened to the sparkle that was there when
+they were 25? What became of their dreams, their hopes, their plans ... and why is
+there such a large disparity between what theses people intended to do and what they
+actually accomplished? That is ... The Strangest Secret.
+--- 21991851
+>>21991848
+Fuck I read the op as first paragraph of what I'm reading
+--- 21991891
+>>21979225 (OP)
+>He ached for the touch of her skin. For the sweet smell of her hair. He longed to feel the sting of her skin against his own. For the beat of her heart against his. He yearned for no desire in life but the warm, gentle touch of her flower petal hand on his cold, cold cheek.
+--- 21992744
+Alright, I think I've got it. I mulled it over and revised it to this. What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
+
+*Huff* 
+*Huff*
+Lieutenant Dave Parker huffed raggedly as he sprinted through the dingy halls of Fort Kitchener, the sound of his leather boots clacking along the concrete ground as he quickened his pace. The grey concrete of the never-ending walls was only distinguishable by the varying amounts of moss and grime splattered on them. Lieutenant Parker turned left before realizing he had made an error. He turned back and muttered curses at himself: How could he be late again? It was the fifth time this week! How could he be so irresponsible? Stupid! Stupid-
+Suddenly, he turned the corner and came face-first with the front of a janitor’s cart.
+“Woah get out of the way-!” 
+A roaring crash echoed throughout the dimly lit halls of the fort. The Lieutenant careened into the cart of a military janitor, sending a cascade of pewterware and plates raining onto the cold, hard ground. The force of the impact sent the two men sprawling to the ground, groaning in pain. Dave winced as he picked himself up, grasping his head. “Ow…” The uniformed man muttered as he looked over the mess he had just made.
+“What the hell, man! Watch where you’re going!” The military janitor scowled as he rose from the ground, brushing dust from his grey apron.
+“Sorry! I’m so sorry!” Dave sputtered.
+“You-whatever. Just help me pick up.” The janitor simmered up an argument before hanging his head and sighing in quiet resignation. “Just… put them into the bag on the cart.”
+--- 21992769
+>>21981975
+It is very well made anon, good luck with your novel!
+--- 21992847
+>>21981975
+This is surprisingly good
+--- 21992913
+>>21979225 (OP)
+that's a very nice picture
+--- 21992926
+>>21991891
+based romanticanon
+Here's mine
+
+>Freckles dotted her pale nose like flowers on a hillside. Her lips- salmon, her eyes- honey; and when they smiled, framed by her cardinal-plume hair, all the winter in your limbs would melt away and leave you undone. She was spring incarnate; My very own Persephone.
+
+I'll never actually finish it and don't care that much about this idea so I don't mind posting
+It's a story about a guy who dates four girls over the course of four years but the twist is that none of them are real they're all AI/VR constructs and this only becomes apparent as they begin to fall apart once the simulation gets too complex toward the end, but the signs are there from the start if the reader was paying attention. I would actually need to do alot of """""""""research""""""""" by "dating" gf ai's so that's why I'll probably never write this idea, because I'm too fucking lazy 
+--- 21992987
+>>21992926
+>Her lips- salmon
+stopped reading there

lit/21981511.txt

@@ -206,3 +206,57 @@ Readers seem to favor Harlan Ellison, Arthur C Clarke, and Ursula Le Guin as sho
 >>21987323
 > TMITHC (High Castle) is also very aggressively disliked for some reason
 Because it's straight-up bad, which PKD himself readily admitted later in life.
+--- 21989323
+>>21981512
+>It's because it's hard to explain what the book is about. Also, you have to be schizo to enjoy it. I have no idea what a normie would get out of that book. His other books have plots that normies can follow along with.
+The wild ride of not knowing what's actually going on.
+--- 21989335
+>>21987697
+http://www.sfadb.com/TopShortStories
+this first link is not a measure of quality. Saying that something "does not rate well" there means that it haven't received any awards to become popular, which later prevented it from obligatory inclusions in all kinds of anthologies, story collections and voting lists.
+
+Only 9/102 novellas, 24/102 novelletes, 20/102 stories listed there have no awards. I'm not an expert nor a sci-fi historian, but PKD wasn't particularly famous at the time of writing his stories, and they weren't widely praised or reprinted. I remember watching his interview where he said that his works are better known and appreciated in France than in US. 
+People definitely get baited by the awards and popularity – Man in High Castle is #2 on goodreads, twice the ratings than the next book (I was baited too). But the rating is abysmall 3.60 – if people don't like what's "supposed to be" his best book, they might not read anything from by the author ever again.
+
+His complete Collected Stories were only published in 1987 (which is 30 to 20 years after their original publications in magazines), and prior to that there were something like 2 other PKD collections. https://pkdickbooks.com/Collections/collectedstories.phpx
+He wasn't a controversial loudmouth like Harlan Ellison and stayed mostly under the radar. At his time sci-fi didn't generate a lot of public interest and could sustain only a handful of "big" names, which were being repeated over and over in the "best of" lists and given various prizes. We can clearly see that here: https://locusmag.com/1999/Polls/Poll2Results2.html The top 6 is
+>Harlan Ellison
+>Ray Bradbury
+>Isaac Asimov
+>Robert A. Heinlein
+>Roger Zelazny
+>Ursula K. Le Guin
+So that's who people keep reading – why would you randomly pick a #40, not having read anyone from top10? It's a self-perpetuating cycle. At least filmmakers recognized the potential in his stories, which is why Minority Report is often cited as his best novella, despite not being that amazing. People will read whatever has enough exposure to attract their attention.
+
+Going back to that sfadb.com list, their other metric is citations (polls). Nearly all of them come from 2 sources: 2012LocusOnlinePoll, 1999LocusOnlinePoll. Number of votes there isn't high, "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" is #32 with mere 4 votes. And all of them had likely read it after watching the movie. 
+
+With how much sci-fi there is, who will dig into gorillion of old stort shories? It's the equivalent of sorting by new on reddit or being a full-time unpaid janny here. Much safer to pick something off the top of the list and then vote for that thing on the next poll.
+--- 21989342
+>>21981511 (OP)
+its great. its my favorite even. but i can totally understand why the normals prefer DADOES or The Man In High Castle
+--- 21989451
+> write meh 'wouldn't it be horrible if the nazis had won?' novel 
+> get Zebrapilled
+> 'I am a Fascist and Hitler is my idol!'
+May all attain
+--- 21989580
+>>21989451
+Based
+--- 21990279
+don't let the slide threads bury this intelligent discussion
+--- 21990524
+>>21981511 (OP)
+Your cat died because it was stupid.
+--- 21990733
+The Man in the High Castle hate in this thread is ridiculous. Easily one of the most profound finales to a novel I've ever read.
+--- 21991207
+>>21990733
+Dick himself hated it, and for good reasons.Faith of Our Fathers > The Man in the High Castle
+--- 21991576
+>>21991207
+>Faith of Our Fathers > The Man in the High Castle
+true. That novella has a coherent story and is one of the most dystopian/totalitarian PKD works. Striking contrast with weak-ass premise of The Man in the High Castle – there's no actual conflict in the novel, no effects of authoritarian government on its citizens, no struggle against the system. Many characters, but none of them developed and worth caring for. Weak on all fronts.
+Whereas in Faith of Our Fathers we have 1 central character that feels real. It's biggest drawback is the absence of ephemeral nazis from outer space. That sort of thing seems to win awards. It also shows early signs of schizo writing (even more than Retreat Syndrome).
+--- 21992585
+>The Man in the High Castle
+I'm only here because of netflix

lit/21981611.txt

@@ -92,3 +92,60 @@ I agree that Frank Herbert was not the best writer. However, his story has stumb
 --- 21988275
 >>21986220
 This is how I felt. I liked the feeling of the impending doom at the end of the book. It didn't seem necessary to read about the doom. That's not to say there's no reason to have written or to read any sequels, but the first book does feel self-contained.
+--- 21989268
+>>21984328
+>>21986760
+I don't really care about Paul. I've fallen in love with Dune's worldbuilding and was dissapointed with Paul winning in the end, destroying both houses Harkonen and Corrino and their legacy, eliminating their masterfully crafted plans with his deus ex machina brute-force army of sandfuckers.
+I know that Paul and his children will eventually destroy the Empire and its beautiful and complex political structure. Why would I want to read about it then? I wanna watch Baron Vladimir trying to outsmart the Padishah Emperor himself, using all the flaws and advantages of the system, the first book was too short!
+--- 21989276
+>>21981611 (OP)
+>This book has atrocious dialogues and is such a borefest.
+Yes. But it's worth the slog to get to God Emperor.
+--- 21989473
+>>21981611 (OP)
+I read it recently and in the preface his son says Mesiah is Frank's most misunderstood book. In other words they tell you the book sucks before you even begin, which I found hilarious.
+>pic related, here's your chiani bro
+--- 21990214
+>>21985784
+Doesn't make it any less funny
+
+Also, don't forget that this is the same universe where picrel is canon
+
+Heretics and Chapterhouse are probably up there in the realm of Horny Old Man Scifi along with the best works of Asimov, Heinlein, and Clarke
+--- 21990225
+>>21989473
+I think I see how Messiah is "bad". It's obviously meant to be read with Children of Dune. The two books need each other to form a cohesive whole.
+--- 21990732
+>>21984328
+The original Dune had clear beginning middle and end. The story was over, Paul won, he took control of Dune and married into the emperor’s family with the clear implication that his descendants would become emperor. All the Harkonenns died, he’d already achieved self-actualization and fulfilled the ancient prophecy, the story was over, every thread it set up had been completed. I read the first book years ago and never had nor will read any of the sequels.>>21986760
+>>21989276
+>>21990225
+--- 21991355
+>>21983096
+are you me? I blew through the first one in a week, bought the second immediately and haven't read past the first chapter in months. It's such a dramatic drop in quality, it's insane.
+--- 21991369
+I am envisioning OP as a soijak. He is bald, has scraggly facial hair, and a gaping mouth.
+--- 21991377
+>>21981611 (OP)
+you don't understand it then. the dialogues are chess games between archetypes and they speak in archetypical metaphors. so if you don't know enough jugian psychology then the dialogues will seem like nonsense and unnecessarily obtuse
+--- 21991380
+>>21981611 (OP)
+I enjoyed Messiah much more than the first frankly, even though it was just a logical conclusion to it (arguably an epilogue).
+--- 21991627
+>>21991355
+You’re an idiot. Messiah is amazing. The phrase “drop in quality” is so arbitrary and retarded.
+--- 21991641
+>>21990214
+Haha yeah true. It’s sort of horny but not really. One or two scenes are that way but it’s extremely based in conveying the magnitude in which individuals should approach procreation.
+--- 21991649
+>>21989268
+The sequels I’ve all of that political intrigue more as you go in. Messiah is better than Dune1 in that regard.
+--- 21991715
+>>21983565
+children of dune is the ultimate step down
+--- 21991718
+>>21981611 (OP)
+Most sci-fi sucks. Itcs only the not sucky bits that get hailed as great because everyone has such low standards. People say reading Messiah is like an epilogue to Dune 1 but yoy don't need it to enjoy that closed narratuve. What you do need it for is taking the bait and not even investing in Children of Dune but God Emperor. You have to read 2 more books, a crap and a not great just to read something worthwhile again. This is the greatest proof of the debasity of the sci-fi genre. But there's not much elae to read unless you enjoy golden age soviet sci-fi.
+--- 21991723
+>>21986174
+Weak chart

lit/21982120.txt

@@ -356,3 +356,330 @@ Bakker makes me cream. Motherfucker reigns supreme. Ballin like Abdul Kareem. Go
 --- 21988989
 >>21987944
 Did you really consider this >>21984836 some sort of pro-war propoganda? I wrote it as a pisstake of the typical basement dwelling general, and the casual war mongering that circles the internet. I wrote it childishly because anyone with a brain knows otherwise
+--- 21989192
+Here's a short one I wrote for a friend recently.
+
+in nectar search,
+on petals perched,
+she drinks the world anew.
+
+at journey's end,
+my cherished Friend
+will bring her Hive to you.
+--- 21989354
+>>21987944
+>1_2 spondee
+>>21988148
+I was referring to this part. Is that not you say it is a spondee? I am not sure if anapests have an actual temporal duration longer than an iamb besides obviously having more syllables. I would venture to say no. I would say they are negligibly similar. Frater might know. As for which papers I would like, I don't know. I haven't looked into what was there but I would guess they would already be uploaded to libgen. After looking at your picture though, I am a bit baffled. It seems that he is pointing out that there is syntactical balances throughout the development of the poem. I do not hear how it modulates the stresses. Especially, if he is implying that lines at the end of the poem can be affected by lines at the beginning. I do not think the mind functions with such a large window. Also, I do not like your poem. I do not understand why it ends with I'm dead, what a blue effect is; I do not like how disjointed it feels, and I'm not impressed. I try not to critique poems much though because I'm really harsh and picky. I am lukewarm on most art, if not outright bored by or distasteful.
+--- 21989447
+>>21988989
+>some sort of pro-war propoganda?
+no. i said fantasy, perhaps propaganda. that is, fantasy that operates AS propaganda through the structures of power.
+--- 21989489
+>>21986982
+I really liked your poem! Can you please explain what does the main refrain of "And the hand made 93" mean? I would really like to hear your self-interpretation.
+--- 21989503
+>>21985781
+I can explain in a little while, this is actually a verse of yeats I’ve studied for some time due both to its popularity and being interested in this version of it.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuoVC2vkOXc [Embed]
+
+But i’ll explain later.
+--- 21989507
+>>21989447
+What? You sound like a politician, or a journalist, the semanitcs are so think it is near impossable to distinguish the two. By that definition what is not propoganda? Whatever you choose, I guess. Let the meme wars live, right?
+--- 21989512
+>>21989507
+you should read discipline and punish, honest recommendation.
+--- 21989581
+>>21989489
+Thanks I'm glad. Yeah so it's got a couple of meanings but the primary one is a reference to traditional Persian finger counting, where the number 93 was represented with a closed fist. Some poets way back would refer to a lack of generosity as a person's hand making 93, so that's sort of what I was getting at - also there's the obvious quite violent image of a fist in there as well
+--- 21989605
+>>21989512
+Gonna need a decent reason first, plenty other books already on my reading list, and you're not filling me with any feeling but your condescension, honestly
+--- 21989726
+>>21989503
+I preferred the version where Yeats performs it himself. Also, do you want to comment on this post: >>21982618
+We have talked about gaud and how it influences us. I don't like the traditional Anglo-Saxon meter in modern English but this post summarizes where my head is at right now with what inspires me; the alliterative verse in nursery rhymes and in that Kipling poem sounds so much more natural. I have three questions for you: do you have another essay of yours I can read, one which goes into the rhythms of rap music? Do you have an opinion on Ciceronian in style versus Senecan style? Do you read novels or short stories? I would be interested to know what kind of fiction you would like, because I can't imagine what would fit your tastes.
+--- 21990107
+>>21989581
+Cool.
+--- 21990189
+>>21985781
+DOWN by/ the SAL/ee GARD/en
+my LOVE/ and I/ did MEET/
+SH PASSED/ the SAL/ey GARD/en,
+with LIT/le SNOW/white FEET.
+she BID/ me TAKE/ love EASE/ee,
+as the/LEAVES GROW/ on the TREE;
+but i BE/ing YOUNG/and FOOL/ish
+ with HER/would NOT/a-GREE/
+
+in a FIELD/ by the RIV/er
+my LOVE/ and I/ did STAND,
+And ON/ my LEAN/ing SHOULD/er
+she LAID/ her SNOW/white HAND.
+She BID/ me TAKE/ life EASE/ee,
+as the/GRASS GROWS/ on the WEIRS/
+but I/was YOUND/ and FOOL/ish,
+and NOW/am FULL/ of TEARS/
+
+for most of the poem we have a back and forth of 7 syllables then 6, 7 then 6, the major break being the penultimate line of the first stanza which is the only 8th syllable line, otherwise we’re seeing a focus on two principles, that short lines sound more musical in general even if not perfectly equivalent, and that anapestic rhythms can be used almost interchangeably with iambic with some subtle effects that can be beneficially used, the reason the opening line of the second feels good is because it’s both a return to the 7-6 syllable pattern you’ve grown accustomed to, and the simple fact that anapests sound like a more energetic iamb, the repeated usage of a non-metrical unstressed syllable is also making you unaccustomed to a repetitive fall on certain lines, which goes a long way to making the anapest line sound regular since it’s still obeying that convention. the usage of either accent or syllable count and going between these to maintain the music is a common trick in folk ballads, of which yeats basically fully stole from in this poem, here’s the original.
+
+ 
+You rambling boys of pleasure, give ear unto these words I write,
+I own I am a rover, and in rambling I take great delight.
+I have set my heart on a handsome maid, but often-times she does me slight.
+And my mind is never easy, only when my true love is in sight.
+
+Down by yon flowery garden, where my true love and I did meet,
+I took her in my arms, and kisses to her I gave sweet.
+She bade me take life easy, just as the leaves fall from yonder tree. 
+Ah but I being young and foolish, with my true love I could not agree.
+
+
+Cont
+--- 21990192
+>>21990189
+And the second time I saw my love, sure I thought her heart was nearly mine.
+But as the weather changes, my darling girl she changed her mind.
+Gold is the root of evil, but each wears a glittering hue,
+Oh it’s many's the lad and lass did part, but their hearts, like mine, be e'er so true.
+
+And I wish I was in Amerikay, and my true love along with me.
+Money in our pockets, to keep us in good company.
+Liquor to be a-plentiful, a flowing bowl at every side,
+And hard fortune ne'er would daunt us, for we are young and the world is wide.
+
+ 
+we again see similar principles of “similar” syllable count though obviously of a more wild form without that repeating unstressed patterning between lines, so the reason it works is it’s working on an ear basis, this usage of shifti between accent amounts while maintaining stress and vice versa is not an unknown technique but can be very effective.
+--- 21990234
+Bound by an Altered Beast in sixteen bits
+Mount my Mega Drive
+Controller sweaty in my hands sits
+My wolfman is still alive
+--- 21990334
+>>21982618
+I’ve read the paper and looked into the specific lines myself, my recs would be hopkins, Swinburne, Coleridge when doing accentual and looking into ballad/folk song, and on the other angle, the greatest controllers of verse like Sidney and Shakespeare can be found to be doing similar tricks in their song or such extreme metrical manipulation that it may as well be.
+
+>>21989726
+do you have another essay of yours I can read, one which goes into the rhythms of rap music? 
+
+I’ve written about this but honestly the question of rap rhythms is best understood by approaching with an understanding that it has 3 modes, very tight meter, an accentual meter, and a meter which while maintaining similar syllable counts like that above ballad, will actually intentionally force in more stresses for staccato and work on repeating of strange rhythms for a multitude of effects, the problem is being unique in these questions is one of the most essential questions in technical rap, to give some examples, these are both from the song “greed on earth” by ransom and Royce, first six lines of each’s verse.
+
+TURN your/ BACK and/ they'll SHOVE/ a KNIFE/ in your RIBS/
+a FA/ther RAIS/in a GUN/ while his SON/ is FIGHT/in' a BID/
+i-RON/ic 'CAUSE/ he AINT/ REAL-ee/ have NOTH/ing NICE/er to GIVE/
+You LIVE/ the LIFE/ that you LOVE/,
+Then you'll LOVE/ the LIFE/ that you LIVE
+So WHATS/ the PRICE/ if you DID?
+
+first is opening with a strong trochaic pattern then reverts to an iambic with the final foot continuously being an anapest, while the first and second lines have a difference in stress amount it’s literally only one and the assonance effectively annihilates the practical difference between them, the fact of it being a strong assonanced iambic pattern is enough to maintain it with the third line, the trochaic sub in the middle is perfectly metrically normal, the assonance and alliteration again maintaining the rhythm and speed which is why in the shorter iambic lines the alliteration is maximized to maintain the musicality while the shortness of the syllables giving a much needed variability in contrast to the previous long lines, thus the repetition and L-alliteration being used to enhance the force of the stresses so that the rhythm doesn’t fall off.
+
+love-what, price-life, live-did 
+
+now let’s check the much better rapper on the song Royce. 
+
+in-VEST/ our SPEND/in' in CARS/and BIKES/
+co-LECT/ our STIM/ul-is STARS/ and STRIPES/
+We LEFT/ our WIM/in with SCARS/ and GRIPES/
+In DEATH/ I'll REM/in-is STARVE/in' NIGHTS/
+MA-ma/ SENT me/to HELP/ out MIN/ie to/BARR/ow some RICE/
+Them JAIL/ bars IM/in-int, GUARDS/ and FIGHTS
+
+first four lines are almost perfectly assonanced and clearly demonstrate a continuous irregular meter, this 
+
+Cont
+--- 21990388
+>>21990334
+replication over and over of the same irregular meter is imo the great trick of the strange vitality in good rap lyric, after these four Royce uses a “catch “ method which is very reminiscent in meter to what ABBA does with rhyme, by placing an alliterative rhyming LONGER line after the established pattern and then returning to said pattern, you create a controlled chaos within the sound which sounds wild and forceful but since there’s enough sinew given by sharing some assonance it doesn’t feel prosaic nor does it tumble over, and it gives a sense of satisfaction by returning to that final metrical pattern in the sixth line, again this return to normality being amplified by the assonance pattern returning.
+>Do you have an opinion on Ciceronian in style versus Senecan style?
+
+In the broadest sense insofar as, I believe Cicero’s middle style is probably the best on average and his approach of replicating and combining styles of various type is the true method of literary refinement, I also agree with Quintilian’s critique of Seneca as corrupt in style/in-elegant due to a reliance on cheap brevity and a rhetoric based in philosophical height of mind being used as a part of bludgeon, if I am being honest I am probably most in agreement with the asiatic rhetorical school that both men opposed. 
+
+>Do you read novels or short stories? 
+
+I do just at a much lower amount than poetry, my favorite prose writer is probably dunsany as a whole, dunsany and Clark Ashton smith’s short stories are basically always pleasurable, I’m a big fan of Gerard de nerval, in terms of less stylistically packed stuff, I really enjoy Balzac’s Études philosophiques grouping of novels with Seraphita as one of my favorite novels, obviously I’m into Melville, love Goethe’s Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship, MP shiel and MR James and Hans Heinz Ewers are all very good, Imma stop since this is just gonna become a big list.
+
+Basically I like a novel or short story with minimal humanity/personality and ideally high prose style and if possible a high amount of strange/exotic mystical aesthetics, so like Flaubert’s Anthony is great.
+--- 21990389
+>>21983027
+>>21982968
+These two retards fighting is the best poetry here. 
+Any ways heres my poem about like uh being afraid of the dark and stuff
+OCCULTA 
+
+Secret joy of tyrant lords 
+mysteries like seven knot cords
+Enemy of heavens hordes
+
+Ominous Appalachian woods
+Thrones which shamans stood
+Acolyte with shaded hood
+
+Shades steep in the lamp light
+Liminal pools in the deep night 
+Dark force that forged, scepter right!
+
+Perilous push through dark corridors 
+Cold breath on that nape of yours
+
+I speak of that fear behind thee, you product of ancient whore
+No matter what one believes one cannot change what nature has bred for 
+Easily Cajoled by gnawing anxiety, 
+Roused by howls of a tyrants horn
+ Evolution God, bestowed upon you minds of prey 
+To be lead by shepards To the day
+--- 21990669
+>>21990189
+>but i BE/ing YOUNG/and FOOL/ish
+Here I read but EYE/ and being like bing. 7 syllables.>>21990189
+>feels good is because it’s both a return to the 7-6 syllable pattern you’ve grown accustomed to
+But I thought we didn't register syllables as much as stress? Why here? It lacks a beat. 
+>fact that anapests sound like a more energetic iamb
+I never considered subsuming iambs and anapests to a shared category and that that can have aural effects. What about dactyls and trochees? What can you do with those?
+>>21990189
+>repeated usage of a non-metrical unstressed syllable is also making you unaccustomed to a repetitive fall on certain lines
+This is good. I was thinking line-by-line. I hadn't considered the looseness heard overall leaving the ear unhooked.
+>in a FIELD/ by the RIV/er
+Agreed. 
+>>21990334
+>in the shorter iambic lines the alliteration is maximized to maintain the musicality while the shortness of the syllables giving a much needed variability in contrast to the previous long lines
+I'm having trouble comprehending. Aren't lines 4 & 5 still a long line divided?
+>what ABBA does with rhyme
+So SENT & MIN creates a tension which the BAR & RICE relieves, thus permits the extrametricality? Are SPEND, STIM, etc. necessary for this effect? 
+
+I haven't read some of those. I think you know I like myths & fairytales. Dunsany's Elfland is great. Melville, Tolkien, Don Quixote, Lolita. I'm not sure what you mean by humanity. Psych analysis? Verisimilitude? I hold that characters should be conspicuous. A lot of realistic characters are forgettable.
+--- 21990715
+To ever onwards, where know no mother 
+And father speaking, he falls together
+From both these holding, against another 
+It’s highs and lows run with the weather 
+
+On trails to meet me, crossroads divided 
+The same goes back, to one beginning 
+The only difference being what’s been decided 
+So less to lose is always winning 
+
+But hold none worthy to what is worthless 
+For I am a being of loose incision 
+Which lasts on soil cannot be earth less 
+To be a maker, it’s his decision 
+
+Deranged and driving the finished altar 
+It’s mask is vapid, with smoke it toils 
+With all things rushing, they still must falter 
+And back to love it wholly coils
+--- 21990767
+>>21983325
+How does one learn to write like this?
+--- 21990799
+>>21990767
+Read, read, and read a metric fuckton of poetry, look up what is scansion and a prosodic foot, and read the Bible.
+--- 21990824
+>>21990669
+> Here I read but EYE/ and being like bing. 7 
+
+While this is logical, if this was the intent he should have presented it such by writing it b’ing honestly, I also think it flows more sensibly as an anapestic in the context of the prior double iamb.
+
+> But I thought we didn't register syllables as much as stress? Why here? It lacks a beat. 
+
+We do not, doesn’t mean that syllable count isn’t heard at all, you’re also neglecting that the anapest by its natural ability to sound faster/more forceful than the iamb could be argued to be making up for the lack, not in a metrical way but in an aural way.
+
+> What about dactyls and trochees? What can you do with those?
+
+Swinburne has done much with this, it can allow for a hopping between a more muscular verse and a more violent verse again without losing the predominant rhythm pretty well, my argument for this being fine is to test it yourself or to look at the attempts of those who have done it, such as Swinburne.
+
+> Aren't lines 4 & 5 still a long line divided?
+
+Kinda, it’s again an attempt at that “catch” you can read it as a long line, though I would argue the sixth line is showing the fourth and fifth while coming fast aren’t one line.
+
+> So SENT & MIN creates a tension which the BAR & RICE relieves, thus permits the extrametricality? Are SPEND, STIM, etc. necessary for this effect? 
+
+Close, rather the repetition of the vowel of “sent” is creating the sense that this new line is somehow connected with the last but the great difference in vowels creates the tension which is finally relieved with “barrow some rice” and then caught with the final line fully “guards and fights”
+
+Here’s another song where Royce does the effect 
+
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw5mSZaUVqI&pp=ygUKTWFkZSByb3ljZQ%3D%3D [Embed]
+
+You can hear him Doing this stanza “ To be alone at the top, you niggas born for the mezzanine
+It ain't nothing for a corny nigga to get on
+And spread corny nigga syndrome, it's sickening
+It's going around with the quickness
+Like a Hollywood wedding ring“ 
+
+Which demonstrates the intentional loss and regaining of rhythm and rhyme to increase satisfaction.
+
+>Psych analysis? Verisimilitude?
+
+Both, I don’t care in the majority of cases for characters as characters, nor their psychology nor any question of realism, I mostly also don’t care for narrative by majority, rather I see the characters and story as in service to the beauty of images and sounds available. I reckon the majority of novels see the sounds and senses as being subjugated to character and narrative and philosophy, I am opposed to this.
+--- 21990840
+>>21990799
+my thanks.
+--- 21991048
+>>21990824
+>I also think it flows more sensibly as an anapestic in the context of the prior double iamb.
+I have a tin ear. I hear the obvious difference but don't feel a preference. How do I tell?
+>>21990824
+>making up for the lack
+I don't get this argument. How can a qualitative difference substitute for a quantitative one?
+
+>Swinburne
+Which of his poems would you use as an example?
+>You can hear him Doing this stanza
+Okay think I see it. There are two things that create the tension. The buildup of those short vowels and borrow rice. But because borrow rice is a part of this ultimate rhyme scheme, we can return to it in the next line. What is confusing me though is the 7 foot line. It sticks out to the eye but I don't know if it sticks out to the ear.
+>subjugated to character and narrative and philosophy
+I probably believe this but I would call it complementarity. You sound more like an aesthete here. I do not see the utility of sights and sounds for the sake of themselves. I want them to conjoin to objects for the purpose of pleasure and meaning. I want to share ideas and experiences, but ideas are worth more.
+--- 21991543
+>>21990389
+>These two retards fighting is the best poetry here.
+how empty is your head that you think that was a negative interaction?
+--- 21991701
+>>21991543
+wasn't really paying attention just thought I ought to say something and not just throw the poem out into the void you faggot. kill yourself or say something about my poem pussy pussy pussy pussy faggot
+--- 21992049
+>>21990824
+Sir, I'd like to know
+why do you like Bertiaux
+Whatever I give up on the poem since I'm lazy, you seem to like him but not G. Knight, wondering why that is. Knight seems cool since he has written a lot of cool stuff about Arthurian legends and is more "orthodox", Bertiaux seems highly eclectic and not always in good ways.
+--- 21992209
+>>21989605
+>You sound like a politician, or a journalist, the semanitcs are so think it is near impossable to distinguish the two.
+discipline and punish is a book about why this is actually true. its about the power process and how it works, more specifically how it changed from antiquity to now. i didnt mean to come off as condescending anon, apologies for that. one thing it explains really well is the way that propaganda tends to make itself rather than being a concerted effort. its a great book for explaining all the conspiracy theories in a way that not only makes more sense than crackpots saying its lizard aliens, but also gives ample reason to believe it. if you are open minded about what the nature of power is, it offers an extremely insightful glimpse. again, i apologise for sounding condescenting. i didnt meant to. i meant "honest recommendation" in an earnest way.
+--- 21992318
+>>21992209
+Dude, that stuff is all obvious, nor sure I need to read the book to get a better thinkers even more robust arguments as to why people just cut each other's throats because there is really only need to justify why not to.
+
+The simple fact of the matter is as follows as far as I can tell: anyone who is given any power's first and only solemn duty is to maintain the avenues through which that power was given them
+
+Appologies in return. We should go fight in a field some time, you and me and just one camera the whole world can't stop watching
+--- 21992583
+Showers cold,
+bread is old,
+no wood for the fire,
+
+new household,
+tile tenfold,
+no wood to admire,
+
+womans bold,
+forward fold,
+no wood for her either, 
+
+I should’ve been a lumberjack.
+--- 21992726
+I know not what I seek
+In a world so utterly bleak
+But my soul burns asunder, despite the heavy blunders
+The agony is endurable
+However the time is unbearable
+
+A hope in my heart
+Hollow it may be
+Swallows me whole
+and lets me wallow in it completely
+--- 21992983
+>An. Ekphrasis. 
+I. Deserve. Better. Men.
+You. Always. Hate. Periods.
+I'm. Late. For. Mine.

lit/21982184.txt

@@ -208,3 +208,57 @@ Some old films and games are gold, and good music is mainly classical as you sai
 >>21988827
 > successful politicians
 You mean successful people in general / high-IQ persons tend to read more than the average petty bourgeois plebeian.
+--- 21989201
+>>21988692
+You are playing word games by labeling learning how to play as groupthink. The mrtagame itself is a separate game - it's right on the name - which requires enormous amounts of strategy, and has an infinite amounts of depth. If you understand it merely as a list of the most effective tactics, as that awful backronym suggests, then you are among the dumbest members of any given playerbase.
+
+You are trying to minimize a skill you barely understand and are showing us that you are far dumber than you think you are.
+--- 21989248
+>>21988692
+>Very few gamers play games that reward strategy more than muscle memory
+It is never one or the other outside your simpleminded delusion. Multiplayer gamers, of all levels, use their minds, and pit themselves against the minds of their adversaries. You tried to use the existence of metagames as a counterpoint to strategy when it is but another avenue to make meaningful decisions. Essentially, you have used an opportunity for strategy as a point against the existence of meaningful strategy.
+
+You have reversed the truth and achieved nothing but public humiliation. That is before you examine the stupidity of basing the worth of video games on the masses that play them. With your idiotic logic, novels would be worthless because most readers choose to read smut.
+--- 21989426
+>>21982359
+>there must be at least one literary game
+Disco Elysium?
+--- 21989791
+>>21982366
+>>21983328
+Seethe on que
+--- 21989873
+I genuinely think that movies, TV and games can supplant the niche of short stories, but one area that they can not is tight, long-form storytelling. 
+TV has too many financial and technical barriers to be able to match the creativity and scope of long-form literature.
+Movies have the same problems as TV but also time limits further restricting their ability to tell stories.
+Games come close, but are generally too open-ended and dependant on player control to tell tightly written stories. The games that do take control and player input away to tell tight stories are usually VNs - really more of a digital form of literature than a game.
+--- 21989905
+>>21988842
+>impotently complains about minorities online
+>includes arabs
+>censors swearwords because he's a pussy
+German or Anglo?
+--- 21990069
+>>21989426
+And Planescape Torment.
+--- 21991270
+>>21983162
+Janitors exist to be the butt of jokes, if you're a janitor and you see this I hope you feel bad. Especially if you do it for free.
+--- 21991288
+Reading literary fiction is a niche, middle-class,  female,  activity now. It has been for a few decades.
+--- 21991327
+>>21982192
+this is the correct answer. only retards and women read fiction
+--- 21991339
+>>21988708
+99% of movies are but high art tier kino exists. Can't say the same for vidya; as a gamer myself, I don't know why this is so hard to accept for gamers.
+--- 21991360
+>>21989873
+>I genuinely think that movies, TV and games can supplant the niche of short stories, but one area that they can not is tight, long-form storytelling.
+True. Short stories and novellas became redundant when high budget tv like Sopranos and The Wire became a thing. That's why for me it's poetry and great 500+ page tomes.
+--- 21991725
+>>21991270
+What the fuck is this image
+--- 21991735
+>>21991339
+Darkwood, pathologic and silent hill (even though its inspired by jacobs ladder) are more kino than any horror movie. Also I would argue games released in a yearly basis are better than movies or tv shows released. Film has just had a lot more time to grow, and is much easier to tell stories with

lit/21982702.txt

@@ -282,3 +282,86 @@ until you're dead
 --- 21988543
 >>21987484
 everyone will end up dead no matter what
+--- 21989289
+>>21986249
+>it makes sense if
+>you read
+>zarathustra
+--- 21989295
+>>21982702 (OP)
+Every interpretation is garbage and so is pretty much every "why" question.
+Sure, Tyler Durden symbolises prophet Abraham, coming to save the people. There, good interpretation, eh?
+--- 21989438
+>>21983271
+>>21983342
+This. He forgot the last step where the Child becomes the Autist and posts on /lit/.
+--- 21989453
+>>21987444
+>So the question is, what's the solution?
+Get over your divorce, stop drinking and especially go back to /r9k/.
+--- 21989500
+>>21985511
+what did he mean by this?
+--- 21989520
+I read this years and years ago, but what I got was that since we all die someday we should all be carefree and embody the dangerous, masculine, spirit as earnestly as possible, to the point of nihility. Natural selection isn't as important to the themes of the book as some think as the most important theme is acceleration unto death.
+--- 21989558
+>>21987347
+>Admires another man’s physique.
+Men noticing how attractive another man is isn’t inherently gay. If a man can comment on another man’s body and be secure in his sexuality, I would consider him far less gay than a man that pretends he can’t tell. Exchanging numbers on a nude beach is pretty fucking gay though.
+>Keen interest in interior design
+There are plenty of straight dudes that obsess over this shit, and I’m sure there are plenty of gay dudes that are slobs.
+>Tyler is the ideal version of himself aka someone who can fuck a woman.
+Being a rockstar in the sack has nothing to do with homosexuality, and it’s also not the primary reason Tyler is his ideal version. I’d agree if you removed the rest of the content of the book.
+>Starts a secret man society to “fight”
+Yes, that’s why the book is called Fight Club. Hundreds of years from now men are still going to want to inflict violence on other men, and have it inflicted on them. It’s in out DNA.
+
+All your shit is just the way you see the world because of modern rhetoric. You’re either a homo or a woman. I don’t think you know anything about sexuality or yourself.
+--- 21989566
+>>21982702 (OP)
+He demonized the kind of vapid self improvement you do to get ahead in the social rat race; the one that ultimately leads to an empty, meaningless existence of consumerism and nurtures neither spirit nor soul, leaving you an empty husk. The self-destruction he champions is his way of breaking out of that conundrum. It is to him the ultimate way to attain freedom and agency over himself, showing himself and the world that his body, mind and soul are his and only his to corrupt and destroy; a destruction not in the service of the machinations of the modern world but purely in service of himself.
+--- 21990741
+>>21989566
+checked
+--- 21990878
+>>21982702 (OP)
+the ego is a form of control
+--- 21991192
+Self-help is rooted in cope about being downwardly mobile. Your granddad could afford a house and a muscle car on a Joe Lunchbucket's paycheck. Meanwhile, for you working a 9-5 job is no longer enough, you need multiple income streams and a ‘side hustle’. Stable economic situation and relations are unimaginable in the current climate which demands constant transformation, acceleration, overproduction and overachievement. The self-help genre is geared towards guiding people to accept this as normal, and enter a state of tunnel vision experience of subjectivity isolated within its bubble of the self.
+
+It also creates the myth of "mindset": the notion that your frame of mind is the only thing that’s holding you back from success. You start treating external systemic issues like they're personal character flaws, and then overwork and exploit yourself to meet the ever-accelerating societal expectations.
+--- 21991284
+>>21982975
+great point.
+--- 21991296
+>>21982810
+The author is gay
+--- 21991301
+>>21991192
+That hurt.
+
+Delete this.
+--- 21991306
+>>21991296
+Has nothing to do with anything. He literally wrote a sequel where he gets married to Marla.
+--- 21991307
+>>21983030
+Great take
+--- 21991676
+>>21990878
+But without an ego you are nothing but a husk. You need a little ego. Like salt in the human stew.
+--- 21991728
+>>21982702 (OP)
+>Why did he demonize self-improvement and champion self-destruction?
+Because self-improvement has been comped by the Market, because all kinds of identites are now commodities we buy. Our Psyches are measured by the Market, our livestyles and social gatherings are feedback loop'd with what we see in Movies and Media which in turn is selected because of "market potential" to maximize profits ; the entirety of society is but a Husk, an inanimate body that twangs and twitches ; products meant to evoke from you decisions in relation to a taste, a like, an fucking affect 
+>here have this, dont you want to be the alpha male! 
+
+We are being turned into dogs ; fanbases , consumer behavior as different dog strains.
+We are the Hollow Men,
+There is no Community outside market relations.
+Your house, your school, your holiday vacations, your tastes ; everything is within the Economy.
+
+You see this shit with the trends and Memes that come from Forums like this that are then shown for Profit on Youtube... 
+To become familiar with the Meme , you had to form a part of the Board Community ; when it is shown in Youtube, the relation to the users is one of consumers and not members of the community.
+--- 21991903
+>>21991192
+That mindset thing was huge for me. Once I admitted that some external things just suck, my depression decreased a lot.

lit/21983097.txt

@@ -159,3 +159,98 @@ I'd love to read what he would have written on the whole gender debate and the l
 --- 21989060
 >>21983097 (OP)
 Who even watches television anymore under the age of 60?
+--- 21989122
+>>21987965
+NTA but give us a taste just to prove your point and maturity. No interviews.
+--- 21989258
+>>21984010
+no more porn for you, bobby.
+--- 21989263
+>>21983436
+May I interest you in having sex, sir?
+--- 21989272
+TV was healthier than the streaming/social media combo we have now. at least people were on the same page back then. and everyone could leave it behind as soon as they went outside. most importantly, it was still pretty boring which meant you still had to figure out what to do once the only show you liked was over
+--- 21989314
+>>21987701
+much of the content on youtube is advertisement in and of itself, even with adblock turned on you're always watching some kind of propaganda
+--- 21989392
+>>21989263
+No
+--- 21989397
+>>21987579
+Just as bad
+--- 21989625
+>>21984010
+LMFAO get your head outta the gutter
+--- 21989673
+Filled my television with 00 buckshot last night feels good bros
+--- 21989712
+>>21983097 (OP)
+>t. Cretan
+something something nietzsche "supremely of one's time in good humor without being a slave to it"
+
+No reason good art can't be made in the shadow of the Colosseum
+--- 21989912
+>>21983403
+Kek, go back fucking paypig
+--- 21989929
+>>21987828
+>Feeling a very "infinite jest" like generation divide
+Cringe. What are you on, anon?
+--- 21990040
+>>21987933
+Sam is about riding the counter-wave and dishonesty.
+--- 21990101
+>all the people in this thread saying " I don't watch TV, I have Internet"
+It' the same effect in the end, only super amplified. DFW even suggested some kind of system similar to Netflix on Infinite Jest.
+--- 21990724
+>>21989272
+>people were on the same page back then
+
+This iss what I wonder about. Whether we really have a common society anymore. Even music, where do people find music these days? There used to be MTV and radio. Now I have no idea what people are listening or whether anybody knows what people are listening to I have no idea. I feel totally disconnected from the broader society.
+
+In early days Youtube used to promote stuff that was common but now they just promote what they think you like which means you are stuck in\ the same neverending shit of the same shit videos, just different variations. Ther isn't even a common front page anymore. I wouldnt' be surprised if news goes the same way so you can't even get a "front page" of the New York Times or whatever it will be "Your front page" and with AI now, it might be news that literally only you are told, completely made up shit, and you would have no idea.
+--- 21991677
+>>21990724
+i'm not sure what it's heading towards, good or bad. when people would argue about the news, they were stuck accepting the form of the argument based on the same one or two news pieces but they at least had some common premises. now everyone's got a bit of fringe media that makes it impossible to at least stay on the one event and its implications.
+
+on other levels, i miss the common ground of getting to school and talking about an episode of spongebob. kids today aren't all watching the same shit anymore, so there's more agency required on their part to fit in whereas a regular programming schedule on TV would've taken care of it because everyone saw the same show on a saturday night. to your point, people at all levels are getting more disconnected. it was a trend that was already started by TV, but perfected further with algorithms and on-demand streaming—the medium becoming more powerful than the consumer and the actual goings-on of their lives.
+
+it seems as if it's gotten harder to strike up a conversation on any common ground. i'm not sure what cultural artifacts zoomers will have as cornerstones for their own generation's history. they resemble the technology they use more than the other way around. neuroticism and anxiety are the human versions of on-demand access and high speed internet: always changing, moving around to immediately adapt to the slightest change in consumer preference, laser-focused in their offerings to statistically validated niches.
+
+there's still a "real" world where shared physical events are located, but the symbologies have multiplied, grown larger and overrun, with a potency they didn't have before.
+--- 21991759
+>>21984441
+DFW an hero'd right as social media and the blogosphere started to gain traction in the mainstream. I've always wondered if there are any dormant/pseudonymous accounts of his out there.
+--- 21991834
+I'd rather stop reading books before doing that.
+--- 21991869
+>>21983403
+>[DFW and Same Hyde] would definitely be bros if DFW was still alive.
+
+this is the most schizoid online wannabe intellectual thing i have ever read
+--- 21991872
+Imagine if DFW had access to Tiktok
+--- 21992023
+>>21983097 (OP)
+Last tv show I watched was Sopranos about 4 years ago.
+I'm addicted to youtube though
+--- 21992258
+>>21983097 (OP)
+He's right, you know
+--- 21992306
+>>21983436
+>TV is software, and our brains are the firmware
+Your point was conveyed but your metaphor needs revision. The brain would be the cpu in this case, not the firmware. The director is the programmer. The tv show is the program. The brain is the cpu which executes the program resulting in changes of state or behavior to the wider system (the man viewing the show). The eyes and ears are the peripherals that convert the raw perceptual data stream into an indigestible format, and those neurophysiological apparatuses that integrate the eyes and ears with the brain would, in this case, be the firmware.
+--- 21992349
+>>21992023
+Its algorithms are unironically too powerful for the average human brain to resist. Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile. And what’s frightening is that the more you use it the finer tuned it’ll be to keep serving the choicest of videos to keep you on the website for even longer. If the algorithm is this good now despite YouTube not even being around for 2 decades yet, imagine how it’ll be in another 4 or 5. It’s really just too easy—the human mind was not built to resist such a stream of media tailor made for it individually by lines of code working faster than any man can comprehend—at least if you got addicted to drugs or food or sex or whatever you needed to put at least some effort into procuring it or spending significant money, it’s just too easy to idly sit there in a click. In a way it really is television perfected, but instead of possibly having the benefit of watching it with a family it atomizes the individual even further. I have no hope, none at all.
+--- 21992378
+>>21983436
+Whenever I see the word archetype I immediately stop reading as I know the rest of the sentence will be brainlet drivel
+--- 21992762
+>>21983097 (OP)
+Kill yourself!
+..oh wait, he already did, lol
+--- 21992789
+TikTok is the samizdat

lit/21983306.txt

@@ -792,3 +792,411 @@ Then sorry it's not fiction. It's just bad worldbuilding. At least harry potter
 
 >>21989064
 I'm not american but I love monty python. The difference is that they're actually funny and don't pretend to be what they're not.
+--- 21989124
+>fell for the /sffg/ bakker meme
+>read the darkness that comes before
+>it's legitimately horse shit
+remind me to never listen to you bakkerfags again. fuck you all
+--- 21989147
+>>21989124
+It gets good in the third book. You fell for the meme of reading one single title.
+--- 21989155
+>>21989147
+>It gets good in the third book
+no i'm not falling for it
+--- 21989165
+>>21989147
+>it's a pyramid scheme
+--- 21989174
+>>21989124
+Let it go if you didn't like it. It's going to be waay darker and more violent in the upcoming books. 
+To me, every single fantasy I tried to read after Bakker was either uninspired or just straight up weak, so it's annoying.
+--- 21989222
+>>21989174
+Read the broken sword. It reigns supreme.
+--- 21989261
+The Deep by Crowley is filtering me lads
+--- 21989266
+To the poster of the shelf that saved /sffg/ if you're lurking: have you updated your collection? Everything on your shelf that I hadn't read ended up being good. Every time I ask for recs ITT I get told to read Cradle, Bakker or some dumb wuxia shite
+--- 21989281
+>>21987580
+were you the phonereader asking if an e-reader is worth it? either way, enjoy.
+kind of want to upgrade from my ancient pw2 for a bigger screen and higher res but there's nothing wrong with it really
+--- 21989283
+>>21989147
+>bro just read the first two 800 page volumes and then you'll enjoy it
+I'm a Bakker fan but this is very stupid
+--- 21989286
+How do I get into Dunsany's back catalogue? I read the King of Elfland's Daughter and absolutely loved it. I see he has a whole setting which he writes in - is there a good reading order online, or a decent omnibus somebody could recommend?
+--- 21989287
+>>21989283
+That's because people find reading a chore rather than art. Even if something is shit, I learn from it.
+--- 21989291
+>>21989286
+I got this one which includes Gods of Pegana, which I like. Otherwise, get this one:
+https://www.hippocampuspress.com/mythos-and-other-authors/fiction/the-ghost-in-the-corner-and-other-stories-by-lord-dunsany
+As far as I know, Dunsany can go out of print at times. Might have to look through Biblio for some old tomes.
+--- 21989300
+>>21989287
+>stare at a painting for a few minutes
+>I can now formulate a reasonable opinion on this piece of art and can decide if it's to my taste or not 
+>spend a dozen hours reading an 800 page novel
+>apparently that's not enough to judge a series and if I decide not to read on its because I "don't appreciate the art"
+?
+--- 21989304
+>>21989300
+>>stare at a painting for a few minutes
+Except that's not what art critics do, do they? They know the history of art and read philosophers on the topic, or know about the institution of art throughout different contexts.
+--- 21989321
+>Anon: You're writing is too hard to read
+>Bakker: No, child. Only men make it hard in their minds to read for they think it so.
+--- 21989333
+>reading book that has a fairly interesting story
+>but all the characters feel weirdly off
+>they don't react how i'd expect a human to react
+>search up author
+>he's autistic
+Now i'm not trying to be rude or anything and i did enjoy the book.
+It was just interesting how i could feel that something was strange without knowing anything about the author.
+--- 21989340
+>>21989333
+You can tell a lot about an author based on extremely mundane writing. For example you can intuit someone political leanings with a reasonable degree of accuracy just by paying attention to how they structure their sentences. You can tell if someone is male or female based on a couple of written sentences quite easily most of the time.
+--- 21989348
+>>21989333
+>>21989340
+I concur. Any experienced reader can infer a lot of details about the author's beliefs, sex and perceptions just from the way they write. People who claim otherwise don't read. The perception is a bit skewed, though, as most of the writers are more or less on spectrum. After all, what normal person would write in an age where word-medium is niche?
+--- 21989356
+>>21989348
+>most of the writers are more or less on spectrum
+false in every sense of the word
+--- 21989357
+>>21989340
+>You can tell if someone is male or female based on a couple of written sentences quite easily most of the time.
+I can tell.... that you're an autistic male 4channer. Did I get that right?
+--- 21989365
+Would you trade your life for Shirtaloon's? He gets ~ $250,000 a year but he's got that hairline.
+--- 21989366
+>>21988180
+>He doesn't carve Swazond into his flesh
+ngmi
+--- 21989381
+>>21989365
+all i know about this guys books is that his main character is absolutely hated by tons of people
+--- 21989384
+>>21989381
+It's because his MC is an anti-authoritarian Aussie battler and larrikin with a heart of gold.
+--- 21989409
+Scifi other than Downbelow Station that fits the vibe of filk?
+--- 21989412
+>>21989384
+His MC is a M*lbournite shitstain, the absolute polar opposite of Australian and of anti-authoritarian, who complains about being discriminated against for being half asian while he lived in a city that is itself half asian. His protagonist acts like a typical pretentious M*lbournite cockhead, and that's why nobody likes him. That city is the Australian equivalent of San Fancisco with a dash of Chicago thrown in to make it even shittier. We need to build a wall around the place and set it on fucking fire.
+--- 21989435
+>>21989381
+Because he is a hapa I always picture him as the Supreme Gentleman.
+--- 21989450
+>>21989365
+with 250k a year all you need to fix this hariline is one visit to a doctor and few motnhs to wait for the effects. He's ugly because he accepts that, not because he cannot change.
+--- 21989456
+>>21989365
+i tried reading his book
+
+jason (stupid fucking name) got into a discussion with the lion guy about the best world, his final argument was that they had porn, insta dropped the book, not gonna even talk about the stupid pop references he spammed all the time to people that didnt know about that shit, fucking retarded
+--- 21989467
+>>21989456
+azarinth healer had the same problem with ilea saying ''I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me!” while fighting some random, cringe af
+--- 21989537
+>>21989412
+Why does Melbourne make people so histrionically upset? It's no different to any other big city, you fags act like it's the only place on planet earth with posh inner-city hipsters.
+--- 21989576
+>>21989537
+Because your brand of inner city yuppies refuses to acknowledge that they're culturally different from the rest of the country. You basically engage in Australia-Blackface constantly and everyone else thinks you're fucktards, and because our population distribution is so skewed you have a disproportionate amount of influence over the rest of the country while also receiving a massively disproportionate amount of tax revenue.
+
+Essentially, the rest of the country would be better off if that place didn't exist.
+--- 21989612
+>>21989537
+>>21989576
+>>21989412
+--- 21989706
+>>21988980
+I keep trying to read David Burke but I genuinely hate that the books have double-spacing between paragraphs.
+--- 21989718
+>>21989467
+>>21989456
+I find I don't mind protagonists making references to their old world or whatever, especially if it feels like the protagonist is the kind of dumbass that would (and Jason and Ilea do feel like that). My dislike of Jason largely comes down to the fact that it initially seemed like he was supposed to grow and change and stop being such a mouthy dipshit but then the author never actually punished the man for his major character flaw and all Jason did was become emo.
+I haven't read enough of Azarinth Healer to form an opinion on Ilea besides "she's basically Goku except horny so probably the author's waifubait".
+--- 21989761
+>>21989718
+>I haven't read enough of Azarinth Healer to form an opinion on Ilea besides "she's basically Goku except horny so probably the author's waifubait".
+There's a scene in early AH, around 200 chapter I think, where Illea takes a semi-autistic classmate of hers into her house, then seduces him and takes his virginity, saying things like 'you can touch my breasts now' and guiding his anxious ass through every step. Shit's wild. I cannot imagine it was written for any other purpose than to provide self-insert for the author or the audience to vicariously have sex with Ilea.
+--- 21989768
+>>21989761
+I'm reading the published stuff, only onto book 2, and I assume said classmate is Kyrian. I feel like that scene'll probably be cut down to the broad strokes in the edited published version, seems like a fair few things were. Ilea is still pretty much just like "fight, food, fuck" as a character but the horny stuff seems a bit toned down compared to the first two.
+--- 21989922
+truth shines...
+--- 21990079
+>Circle of Inevitability chapters 107-109
+Holy fucking KINO, we fucking back Mysteries bros
+--- 21990110
+>>21989947
+>this is what "bakker chads" look like
+OH NO NO NO
+--- 21990173
+>>21989947
+i'm buying velcro sandals
+--- 21990217
+>>21990079
+How do you even read 100 chapters of something that goes nowhere
+--- 21990266
+>>21990079
+yeah it was nice. now it feels like the story is really starting.
+
+>>21990217
+a "chapter" is pretty short with these types of webnovels.
+--- 21990277
+>>21990266
+Still. Lets just assume you jam 3, 1000 word chapters together. That'll be a proper chapter. So after 33 chapters you finally have something going? 
+
+And people think Sanderson's writing goes nowhere.
+--- 21990310
+>>21990079
+Lumian gazed at the mysterious woman, dazed, realizing that the indescribable and inexplicable emotion in her eyes had resurfaced.
+This time, he could finally decipher it.
+It was pity.
+--- 21990314
+>>21990217
+I just read bro, easiest thing in the world
+--- 21990316
+>>21990314
+Fair enough
+--- 21990517
+>>21988997
+>by the way, Logan Jacobs mogs eveery other harem writer with his covers. Incredibly rich and brilliant arts
+No he does. If you look carefully, Logan Jacobs and Eric Vall covers have a same face female. All the females on the cover is the same base model, with some fantasy features added. It's lazy work.
+
+>>21988980
+>At least Dante King/Aaron Vel/other copy-paste writers are capable of mildly entertaining schlock
+No they are not. They steal someone else's idea (all there stories are knock offs of someone else's work), and implement them poorly. I remember reading his batman knockoff, his [not]joker was shit.
+--- 21990526
+Finished Tress of the Emerald sea, and I'm indecisive about what I want to read next. 
+
+Right now I'm looking at Black Company, Gideon the Ninth, Shadow of the Gods, and Best Served Cold. Redpill me on one of these, anons
+--- 21990536
+>>21990526
+>Sando
+Cleanse that palette with masterfully written Black Company.
+--- 21990552
+>>21990517
+Logan Jacobs, Eric Vall and Dante King I just read like one book from each and went "wow I thoroughly don't care". Dante King at least felt like there was some effort put in, but not much. Simon Archer's a similar case, but I never cared enough to try more.
+--- 21990556
+>>21990526
+>Gideon the Ninth
+It's definitely a book written by somebody who used to write Homestuck fanfic. It has some fun characterisation and worldbuilding but the gist of it is it's a murder mystery wherein the protagonist does not interact with or engage with said murder mystery at all because she's basically relegated to sticking in the background and looking tough. So as a result you get a story about a character just kind of doing nothing while snippets of a more interesting story play out around her.
+--- 21990575
+This guy is still an ugly and fat drongo who took dole despite now being a millionaire. And there’s nothing you can do about it.
+--- 21990578
+>>21990526
+Read better books, faggot
+--- 21990589
+>>21990578
+Name some. Hard mode: No Bakker.
+--- 21990598
+>>21990589
+the faerie queene
+--- 21990618
+>>21990598
+Already read it and own the five volume set by Hackett. Give me something more real!
+--- 21990635
+>>21990618
+>Already read it
+no you haven't
+--- 21990652
+>>21990526
+Shadow of the Gods is good.
+
+It is the first book in a trilogy and a bit of a slow burn with the first half mainly being world building and getting to know the characters. It picks up about half way in though and a few things do happen during the first half. 
+
+The second book is a lot better with more stuff going on and more action.
+--- 21990697
+I finally finished Player of Games! That reveal at the end did get me.
+--- 21990737
+>>21990635
+You're just throwing out an epic poem to someone who studied it at a tertiary level for ages. Of course, I had to read it. It's the same poem for five books. At least there's some cool back and forth with some Saracens ("paynims") for a bit. But otherwise it's the same evil wizard/woman trope with personified virtues as knights.
+--- 21990764
+>>21990737
+>You're just throwing out an epic poem to someone who studied it at a tertiary level for ages
+No
+I'm reccomending it because it is kino
+just like ivanhoe
+--- 21990788
+>>21990764
+Chaucer's Canterbury Tales are fun if you don't mind learning how to sound out Middle English, although it's largely phonetic. And I like Gawain Poet a lot, particularly the Pearl and Gawain and Green Knight. Much more medieval than Elizabethan poetry.
+>Ivanhoe
+I've been meaning to read it. I'll have a look now since it's actually in my room (most of my books are back at my parent's house because I have no room).
+--- 21990804
+>>21990635
+>>21990737
+>thinking the anon didn't read his book
+I love when anons think they got one on you, and end up embarrassing themselves. 
+I got second hand shame from being shown up (with excerpts).
+--- 21990985
+Nobody was going to tell me that Snow Crash was bad, huh?
+Dogshit bad. Reddit-tier YA bad. If this is what 4.5 stars looks like then I'm done reading anything but classics.
+Neuromancer was at least a fun read, if a bit disorienting and juvenile. Snow Crash doesn't even have a fucking plot at 200 pages in. I should've just forced myself through Ready Player One again.
+--- 21991091
+>>21990985
+Go read Count Zero.
+--- 21991277
+what's the general opinion here on the night land by William Hope?
+I started reading it and I am already disliking that there's some sort of a romance going on
+--- 21991376
+>>21990079
+based... based...
+--- 21991441
+>>21990985
+>book where the main character is named Hiro Protagonist is dogshit reddit trash
+IMAGINE MY SHOCK
+--- 21991497
+>>21991441
+I'm still baffled that's a thing. Like if it were a parodic sort of thing, it'd be one thing, but it's just... There. He's just "Hiro Protagonist".
+--- 21991503
+I'll be sure to obfuscate it a bit when I make my character Hiiro "Puro" Tagonistu
+--- 21991509
+>>21991497
+> Like if it were a parodic sort of thing
+You really don't think he was in on the joke?
+--- 21991513
+>>21991509
+I'm sure he was, but it's not treated like a weird name, nobody really calls attention to it, and it feels a little awkward with how serious the overall story is.
+--- 21991515
+>>21991513
+There is nothing serious about the overall story. The whole thing is a straight-faced gag with which the name fits perfectly.
+--- 21991520
+>>21990985
+>disorienting and juvenile
+Snow Crash is only ever recommended because it's written like YA trash. The audience of Snow Crash literally cannot comprehend Neuromancer on a basic level because they are functionally illiterate and don't understand the concept of a prose style, even if it is just one or two steps above spoonfeeding.
+--- 21991698
+>>21987814
+I think the reason is monetization. China, Japan and even Korea have a way to properly monetize web novels, but the West does not. Instead we have things like Amazon's Kindle that just wrecks havoc on the web novel scene. If a novel starts taking off, then it will suddenly get put onto Kindle Unlimited and removed from everywhere else. End result is that the old readers of said novel can't continue reading it and it has to attract a whole new set of readers again.
+--- 21992080
+Do you read webnovels?
+
+I find the quality of writing on Royal Road to be very low, even among very popular fics. There are very few exceptions. 
+
+Does the readership just not value good prose/characterisation? Or are the writers just not too good?
+--- 21992110
+>>21991520
+whats the /lit/ equivalent of malice@doll
+--- 21992112
+>>21992080
+Spend a few hours reading pulp mags. As they appeared, not as cherry picked by history. RR is the same phenomenon - the cost of production falls to where the gatekeepers lower the bar. That's it! 
+
+https://archive.org/details/pulpmagazinearchive
+--- 21992117
+>>21992080
+You have to realise how dumb the average person is. If someone is posting fiction online for free every day, they are either stupid, naive, or insane. I'm the latter. I do always appreciate prose more than mere plot, but it is hard to balance them. I think most RR writers at least just want to convey their take on tropes and get people to like their quirky characters with pared down style. I personally hate it. So I am the change I wish to see.
+--- 21992165
+>>21992080
+> Does the readership just not value good prose/characterisation? Or are the writers just not too good?
+Both. It's about the dopamine rush of constant fighting, progression, stats along with base/dungeon/city building. It's literally the mechanics and stories of games and anime in written form.
+--- 21992191
+>>21992117
+nta
+Have you posted your work here?
+I've seen some interviews of traditionally published authors who have taken to writing webnovels and been successful about how it has to be written in a certain way to get any traction on the site. If I understand you correctly you want to try to change their tastes. That won't go over well with people who know what they like. It's similar to those who only read centuries old literature of the canon and then say that they will raise the quality of sff with their skills and say that's what you must like now.
+--- 21992206
+>>21992191
+>Have you posted your work here?
+Yeah. I've posted it in /sffg/ because they helped form my tastes for writing my SFF. I have other works in actual speculative fiction journals, but the idea I had for this webnovel couldn't be done in tradpub because it's too big. And I want to push myself to write it. New chapter came out just now, and I hope it shows that I've been reading Poul Anderson (although he's much better) and KJV:
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67893/the-god-of-the-spark/chapter/1202696/chapter-iv-the-forerunner-asp
+>It's similar to those who only read centuries old literature of the canon and then say that they will raise the quality of sff with their skills and say that's what you must like now.
+Maybe, but there have been many popular SF writers like Vonnegut or Wolfe who talked a lot about Shakespeare or Homer. The SF I lean towards reading is also heavily influenced by Shakespeare. You can find interviews where Poul Anderson describes how important studying Shakespeare is for any writer.
+--- 21992267
+Since I've been reading Bakker, I've been wondering whether he could have framed the story differently. The two prologues were definitely breaking the mould, and I did have a good sense of atmosphere. I just think about whether he could tell less and show more, at least with characters' dialogue. The bit about how Kellhus doesn't know about the world was well executed, but even then Bakker tends to overexplain this.
+--- 21992360
+>>21992080
+I tried. I dropped Mother of Learning after reading page 1. I read 10 chapters of Wandering Inn and said yeaa this shit is poorly written slop, several wheel of time lengths to catch up is inexcusable. 1 hour of reading Worm and I'm like this reminds me of Kick Ass and it isn't for me but it seemed decent, again though the length is inexcusable. I'm not big into power creep/anime characters or numbers going up type stuff so litrpg isn't for me
+--- 21992381
+>>21992360
+Yeah, worm is the only good one I've read. 
+
+I wanna capture readers like yourself who might prefer my writing style, but am worried that none of them survive on RR I might not be able to achieve market fit, so to speak.
+--- 21992382
+>I read almost two paragraphs and it sucked.
+--- 21992391
+>>21992382
+I couldn't get past this page. I'm sorry I could just tell straight up it isn't for me. I heard a lot of people love it though so I can't hate.
+--- 21992397
+>>21992391
+kirielle is cute
+--- 21992404
+We have to revolt against RoyalRoad and carve there a land for the /sffg/ Bakkerposters, my brothers!
+--- 21992448
+>>21990079
+The endless torturous pain of 2 chapters a day is drowning me. I wonder how lumian will act now since apparently a large part of his personality was just him going insane
+--- 21992457
+>>21991277
+>mine own baby-slave
+Kino
+--- 21992470
+>>21992080
+Rarely, much like fanfictio the strategy is quantity over quality.
+To truly read WNs you skim through the first chapter of ~100 fic a day and bookmark any decent looking ones to read the first few chapters. Reviews are useless, recs are useless, reputation is useless. All you can do is sift through the shit.
+Occasionally you'll find something good, but it's rare. Over time you build up a library of tehs of thousands of trash chapters skimmed through and maybe a dozen or so decent ones that update daily and finally you saturate and can just read your daily updates and not have to descend into the prose mines again until something gets abandoned/goes to shit/ends.
+--- 21992485
+>>21992470
+Can you tell if something is AI generated? People say it can write well enough now.
+--- 21992523
+>>21992485
+Easily, it doesn't write anything like a human. For one, current models can't write actual stories since they have no memory. They can't even keep track of character names through a single chapter.
+And beyond that the sixth sense cannot be beaten, you can read the author through the text, and it'll be obvious if they're not a human.
+AI can only do short blurbs, and even then it's often obvious. Anything longer than a 4chan post could never be mistaken for a human, and 90% of those at or below that length are also obvious.
+--- 21992547
+>>21992485
+>I'm glad you asked. I can tell if someonething is AI generated because it demonstrates traits common among things that are AI generated.
+they write like that desu
+--- 21992550
+>>21992470
+Having done the trawling, what do you reccomend?
+--- 21992576
+>>21992550
+Reverend Insanity
+--- 21992604
+>>21992576
+It reigns supreme.
+--- 21992609
+>>21992485
+here's a recent video where an actual developmental editor looks at poetry and prose written by AI and has a laugh as soon as he lays eyes on it
+
+https://youtu.be/5vVEtWBplVk [Embed]
+--- 21992623
+>>21992470
+
+Oh and can you give me any advise re: where I could market or shill my fic in order to get an initial readership? I'm good at the writing side (I believe), much more stressed about the marketing / finding readers side. 
+
+I'd really appreciate it :)
+--- 21992640
+>>21992623
+Shill yourself on fanfic forums in the original fiction sections. Shit like dlp/sv/sb/qq/etc... In general use forums and boards with existing populations, probably reddit would also work but I don't use it. In other words, shilling on /lit/ was a decent idea, but there's barely any of us and we're picky. So try with a bigger community with less discerning taste. Search for people talking about books similar to your own and shill yourself "organically", that's what everyone else there is doing too so you won't get shit on too much.
+--- 21992641
+>>21992609
+That was funny, actually. I did find the poem nonsensical too, at least aesthetically although never read Malazan. I will have a look at Erikson's work if there's good poetry. I'm sad less people do it, as I love speculative poetry like CAS and Lovecraft.
+--- 21992650
+>>21992641
+Erikson has fantastic poems before his chapters that share the subtext of the chapter to come. He said in an interview before he writes the poems before he writes the chapters which I found interesting.
+--- 21992660
+>>21992640
+thank you!
+
+I'm really looking for advice here more than shilling. It's too small, as you say.
+
+>dlp/sv/sb/qq/etc
+These are forums?
+
+I'll get on there. Thanks :)
+--- 21992727
+>>21992206
+I skimmed through it and looked through the archives to see where else you posted it. There's a lot I could say, but as you said, it would be meaningless. All I have to say is that you greatly overestimate yourself and have strange ideals. Best of luck with being satisfied with your story existing on the internet and never anything more than that.
+--- 21992754
+>>21992727
+>Best of luck with being satisfied with your story existing on the internet and never anything more than that.
+Thanks!

lit/21983481.txt

@@ -163,3 +163,82 @@ Go for it.
 --- 21988011
 >>21987854
 Winter's Heart's ending is an all-timer.
+--- 21989519
+>>21987833
+>You had me until you started fellating Dune.
+Brandon Sanderson considers Dune to be in the running for the "great American novel" so I guess you feel pretty silly right now, huh?
+--- 21989528
+>>21987881
+>>21987852
+>dreamworld chapter
+I hate this shit so much. If there's one thing I hate even more than flashbacks it's chapter length dream scenes. Both are used as tiresome lore dumps and it gets old so fast.
+--- 21990593
+>>21983481 (OP)
+if you're already filtered by the padding in book 2 you'll never make it through the later books
+--- 21990682
+>>21985507
+>muh shonenshit fight
+Just go read sanderson if you want to read fight scenes in a book
+--- 21990951
+Why do people read these long meandering fantasy books? You do realise the vast majority of this is just filler?
+--- 21990956
+>>21983481 (OP)
+>(listening)
+You knew exactly what you were doing when you made this thread.
+--- 21990977
+>>21990951
+because i like them
+--- 21991259
+I am RJ back from the dead.
+>>21985507
+Just call me a faggot if you want to criticize my books, unlike you people actually pay to read my portentous fluff.
+>>21987266
+I'm sorry "something happening" has to be an over the top fight scene because tension can only be derived from a battle.
+>>21987270
+Believe it or not, late teens/early twenties men are probably more adept at bitching than most middle aged women.
+>>21987288
+I've been rolling in this grave for a while now.
+>>21987358
+Dune is a rip off of the Talmud.
+>>21987380
+>I hate how the women are written.
+You hate that women are overly emotional and make poor decisions or are cunning and manipulative? Have you ever spoken to one?
+>>21987420
+I'm glad you've taken to armchair psychology, a step up from armchair literary critic.
+>>21987663
+I referred to them as
+>The Ginger
+>The Furry
+>The Australian
+>>21990951
+It's better than most people's long meandering lives.
+--- 21991265
+>>21991259
+>rand, loial, and hurin walk through a world practically devoid of life for 4 days
+no you don't understand, so much happens! their horses trot and canter and gallop!
+--- 21991321
+>>21991265
+>Rand and Loial get to bond some more
+>Rand and the reader get additional time to reflect on Lanfear
+>Rand channeled in his sleep, implying he's even a danger while unconscious which reinforces his decision to abandon the party in The Dragon Reborn
+If you didn't like the multiverse thing that's fair but I thought it was pretty cool.
+--- 21991469
+>>21987234
+based
+--- 21991480
+>>21991321
+>>rand and loial get to bond some more
+this doesn't happen. rand spends the entire sequence ignoring his companions talking to lanfear, or galloping ahead because he saw something in the distance.
+>>Rand and the reader get additional time to reflect on Lanfear
+rand does not reflect on her, he hangs on her every word, as do all of the companions. none of them doubt her motives even for a minute, even if they disagree.
+>Rand channeled in his sleep
+this is something, but it's not dwelt on, or even brought up until well into the sequence after lanfear is met. it's basically mentioned once and then forgotten until a couple hours into book 3 when rand starts having dreams about callandor
+--- 21991559
+>>21989519
+ACK
+I kneel and apologize to my betters
+--- 21991572
+>>21991480
+Fair enough, I'm assuming you had a more recent read than I have. I will say RJ had the tendency to over rely on a character not knowing something while the audience pieced it together chapters ago. Sometimes books ago later on in the series.
+--- 21991685
+>>21991559

lit/21983579.txt

@@ -367,3 +367,46 @@ Good post but 30 years for that? It looks like shit.
 --- 21988845
 >>21988787
 okay but working class does not mean lower class.
+--- 21989485
+>>21984714
+Why do they gotta attack the very foundations of what makes a society happy and whole? Oh, right, it's because the patriarchy and whiteness are responsible, right? How do people not see this as the contrived bullshit it is??
+--- 21989509
+>>21984191
+Oh fuck I remember her. When can it be legal again for women to be seen and not heard?
+
+>>21984498
+Yeah but why is it my problem or anyone else’s for that matter? Can’t these “people” get a hobby or something? And furthermore is it even wrong to be racist? I know you’re going to make an appeal to emotion so don’t respond to me, faggot
+
+>>21984934
+You know perfectly why they’re doing it.
+--- 21989530
+>>21983588
+>batshit insane medical system
+Americans get to pay for most of the R&D the world enjoys, and then get called pieces of shit for it.
+--- 21990102
+>>21989530
+America BUYS the R&D for most of the world because it makes them money. Not out of the goodness of their heart. Quite the contrary, it has castrated medical research in other countries in order to leave less competition on the market.
+Or did you think this was a burden on poor, poor America? It's a strategy that reaps the companies that do it billions every year.
+--- 21991097
+>>21983597
+No, democratized means distributed to the masses at prices too cheap to meter. You couch your criticisms in anticapitalist rhetoric, but in practice what angers you is that writing is more easily accessible than it has ever been, and what made you feel special is gone.
+--- 21991136
+>>21986442
+I cant believe we live in a world like this. Where people grandstand about "human rights" then turn around and seize property over a political disagreement. It makes me furious. No governor or mayor should ever cooperate with this scum.
+--- 21991658
+>>21990102
+It absolutely is a burden, just like how the US protects your country and gets called a piece of shit for it. One day, the sooner the better, you'll get to pay your fair share, friend.
+--- 21992698
+>>21991658
+My country is one that the US doesn't protect, because we have our own actual army and nuclear dissuasion.
+The day you stop protecting Europe can't come soon enough, because maybe Germany will stop sucking your cock and be a general nuisance about EU politics. At least your other agent, the UK, finally fucking left.
+--- 21992708
+>>21983604
+>a literal subhuman typed this
+--- 21992720
+>>21988166
+Nah you’re not
+--- 21992777
+>>21989509
+>When can it be legal again for women to be seen and not heard?
+Honestly, if you made it so millennials as a whole can only be seen, not heard, you'd solve every "problem" overnight.

lit/21984567.txt

@@ -63,3 +63,15 @@ Not yet...
 >>21988343
 >What do you like drawing?
 Girls, tragic or dramatic scenarios and landscapes!
+--- 21990113
+Bump
+--- 21991099
+Up
+--- 21991262
+>>21987118
+It’s pretty nuts how good the illustrations were in this considering how mediocre they were around early Tokyo Ghoul.
+--- 21991760
+>>21984567 (OP)
+I wrote a book called Magellan: The Adventures of a Star Seeker. 
+And I have written teh second and third books. You can illustrate the shit out of them, anon. 
+It is just pulp science fiction with an emphasis on exploring new worlds for mankind. Lots of stuff to illustrate in there. Get after it.

lit/21984875.txt

@@ -56,3 +56,71 @@ Outside the philosophyfags, this board is mostly just NPCs with the most safe, v
 --- 21988396
 >>21988338
 I’m not even sure how a classic is defined anymore. Is it only the western cannon monoliths like homer, Shakespeare, Dante, etc? Is it big name authors like Faulkner, Hemingway, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, etc? Is Lautreamont a classic? Henry Miller? Nerval? Vollman? Dreiser? JC Powys? Basically is any book older than whatever amount of years and still in print a classic?
+--- 21989417
+>>21987584
+But Hemingway sucks
+--- 21989424
+>>21989417
+fucking pleb
+--- 21989446
+>>21988327
+Now we're talking
+--- 21989544
+>>21984875 (OP)
+I wouldnt worry about it
+--- 21989735
+>>21984875 (OP)
+Good ol' Shakespeare is technically better than my Pynch.
+--- 21989748
+>>21989417
+I really liked old man and the sea
+--- 21989875
+Pynchon is overrated garbage for pseuds. Next!
+--- 21989992
+>>21986156
+Tradcath chud zoomers love Chesterton
+--- 21991077
+>>21985000
+It’s just /lit/ bro. Just read him and think about it by yourself, it’s more fun that way anyhow.
+--- 21991287
+>>21988229
+>Recently, and regrettably, it appears Pynch’s fallen of that list.
+And has been replaced with Cormac McCarthy
+--- 21991387
+>>21984875 (OP)
+Comparable/contemporary? Gaddis, in a way.
+Better? I’d say Henry James.
+--- 21991390
+>>21991287
+What
+--- 21991525
+>>21989992
+Those are NPCs, they don't count.
+--- 21991722
+>>21991287
+Neither were on the list newfag. McCarthy was getting the same amount of threads in 2012 as in 2022.
+--- 21991741
+>>21989417
+Based
+--- 21991896
+>>21991390
+You dare not say anything negative about Corncob lest brain/lit/s descend upon up you.
+--- 21991980
+>>21991896
+>upon up you
+Brainlet's here
+--- 21992008
+>>21984875 (OP)
+I think of late-era delilo a bit like this. He tried grappling with the Pynchon style earlier in his career, then realized he needed to go his own way, which results in the weird cubist prose style in The Body Artist, etc. it isn’t a perfect analogy to Beckett but that’s my take.
+--- 21992043
+>>21984875 (OP)
+>Vonnegut further up his own ass with diminishing belletrist returns post-Crying Lot
+This isn't a question worth asking because the answer will be equally as forgettable and un-canon worthy.
+
+>>21987584
+>>21989417
+Yes
+--- 21992048
+>>21988229
+>Recently, and regrettably
+Pynchon redditors are an incestuous bunch and the low engagement + same fagging gave you that impression. This is like Frenchmen sperging over a Malraux or Gide even.

lit/21985012.txt

@@ -224,3 +224,47 @@ Why do you pretend like I care about you?
 >>21988956
 >Cared enough to reply
 Why do retards keep saying "nobody cares" as if this shit wasn't figured out decades ago?
+--- 21989318
+>>21988958
+Because you should feel bad for being an insecure irrelevant loser whose whole sense of self depends on senselessly critiquing people you perceive to be above you
+--- 21989578
+>>21985074
+You forget that only war and blood could make It authentic. Otherwise, never gonna happen. From a historical perspective, the cult of an unity is what every multitude wants. You just can't exoterically transport and apply the intrinsic meaning of a religion without making it's esoterical roots the new center of the world - and THAT is not what I see for India in geopolitics for the next 4,320,000 years. Face the eschaton because It is the horizon.
+--- 21989620
+>>21985074
+Hello fellow gheg schizo
+--- 21989732
+>>21985012 (OP)
+>metaphysical system by rene guenon, AMA.
+so you're jsut parroting atheism, woah. 
+It's amazing how atheists always fall back to atheist gurus. Why can't atheists move to something else then people who have link to secular enlightenment.
+--- 21989739
+>>21989732
+>have link
+have NO link
+--- 21990974
+>>21985074
+Poor understanding of religion/ Guenon here. Syncretism is anti-Traditional. You're betraying a belief that religion comes from the efforts of man rather than from the Divine Will. You'd be better off hoping for a revival of Zoroastrianism than you would building some bastard system by slapping together elements from various separate paganisms. But all this makes no sense when Catholicism already exists and just needs to be strengthened and purified. Not even a Catholic btw.
+--- 21991006
+>>21990974
+>revealed religion
+>traditional
+okay retard
+--- 21991022
+>>21991006
+Did you not mean to quote me or something? How does that make any sense in response to what I said?
+--- 21991049
+>>21991022
+Catholics thinks their enemies have a soul and must be saved.
+Catholics also believe that God forgives evil (sins).
+You are a degenerate.
+--- 21991069
+>>21991049
+Ah so I'm talking to a larper schizo retard. Thanks for letting me know this early so I didn't waste more replies.
+--- 21991085
+>>21991069
+You'll burn in Hell.
+--- 21992933
+>anon does thing
+>wants good boy points for it
+>gets uppity when the inevitable shitposts start coming in

lit/21985164.txt

@@ -262,3 +262,1023 @@ I’m going to get your mom so addicted to my cock that she’ll never recover
 --- 21989114
 >>21987612
 no one here has ever published under a real name. Except like one guy maybe. No, despite what you may have heard unreal doesn't require a dossier of personal details for submission lol.
+--- 21989117
+>>21987684
+>I like Gardner
+Almost had a stroke holy shit. Would you mind sharing what those "worthwhile discords" are by any chance?
+--- 21989153
+you can download a free pdf of Tales of the Unreal here btw. Plenty of stories worth reading in here.
+
+https://unrealpress.com/tales-of-the-unreal/
+--- 21989652
+>>21989117
+Fuck off discord tranny
+--- 21989808
+>>21989652
+have sex
+--- 21989823
+>>21989153
+Literally nothing worth reading. It’s impressively worse than all the schlock in my high school creative writing class
+--- 21989837
+>>21989823
+t. didn't read
+--- 21989849
+>>21989837
+Not worth reading dogshit from losers who have to pay money to attend a MFA. I read enough shit from my 12th graders that the excerpts that have beeb posted since this released is all I needed to see to know that only retards wrote and edited it, and that only retards read and enjoy it
+--- 21989866
+>>21989849
+kek seething
+--- 21989886
+>>21989823
+>>21989849
+>HS teacher
+>opinions matter in the slightest
+Fucking pick one you worthless piece of shit. When someone needs tips on how to be a permanent fuck up and get bullied by 16 year olds we’ll let you know.
+--- 21989904
+>>21989886
+>writes for unreal self-publish press
+KWAB
+--- 21989920
+>>21989904
+This is an anonymous image board you stupid fuck, you don’t have to write for unreal to post in this thread. Go back to your cuck shed and never forget: you will NEVER be a tenured anything
+--- 21989935
+>>21989920
+>tenured
+>I am not an unreal fag
+Oy vey keep kvetching, Solomon. I will stick to my preparatory school in NE while you pay for a MFA program.
+--- 21989950
+>>21989935
+Christ man, take your fucking meds. I get why you think I’m with unreal but what the fuck is this MFA shit? You’ve been thinking about molestibg your students for too long, your brain is rotted even beyond that of your average teacher, which is really saying something
+--- 21989952
+>>21989935
+>a MFA
+'an' you seething freak. Funny the samefag screaming about doxes does nothing but post pictures of lit authors and insult their looks and family while rehashing the same 3 month old edrama. Methinks the lady doth protest too much
+--- 21989960
+>>21989952
+> Methinks the lady doth protest too much
+Holy reddit. Maybe you should go back since you writing reeks to plebbitry
+--- 21989968
+>>21989960
+Jesus Christ, it’s a (mis)quote from Hamlet, you utter pseud.
+--- 21989977
+>>21989968
+Anon has already admitted he only reads samples of his reatrded students’ writing. He’s just here to stir shit because he’s a failure in his real life
+--- 21989990
+>>21989968
+No shit, retard. But it’s major sign that you’re a reddit faggot since that’s their go to “quip” when they’re seething. Next are you going to tell me that this is a wendys? Right up your alley
+--- 21989994
+>>21989990
+A wendys? anon, what the fuck is going on in your head? are you feeling ok?
+--- 21989998
+>>21989990
+swamp brain post
+--- 21990005
+>>21989994
+FUCKKK YOOOU, YOU GUYS WILL NEVER SUCCEED OR BE ATTRACTIVE TO WOMEN.
+--- 21990010
+>>21989990
+So can we finally put the “doxxing” issue to rest since it’s clearly just some assmad redditor?
+--- 21990011
+>>21989990
+nigga please leave this thread
+--- 21990015
+>>21990010
+Yes.
+--- 21990019
+>>21990010
+yeah
+--- 21990026
+>unreal discord troons coming to defend their schlock en masse 
+Kek
+--- 21990028
+>>21989990
+the fact that you think that’s a reddit thing says more about you than you realize lol
+--- 21990038
+>>21990026
+>>21990028
+>redditor public school teacher trying to start drama on 4chan
+sorry your life is a sad joke m8, honestly.
+--- 21990043
+>>21990028
+whoops, didn’t mean to respond to this post here>>21990038
+sorry guy
+--- 21990055
+>>21990005
+Truly groundbreaking stuff here, anon. Unreal is in tears and /lit is in good hands
+--- 21990058
+>>21990005
+so uh, now that that's finished, anyone have any thoughtful commentary on the stories in Tales of the Unreal?
+--- 21990063
+Sirs, this is a Wendy’s. Please control yourselves
+--- 21990066
+>>21990005
+--- 21990067
+>>21990058
+Haven’t read it yet but I unironically like ads for Twin Candles
+--- 21990347
+>>21990058
+So what was the deal with broccoli in Silver Pastures? I get that he was dying/stroking out but it seemed symbolic
+
+Also Nuclear Man is underrated/not enough people read it
+--- 21990424
+>>21990403
+--- 21990439
+>>21990424
+kek
+--- 21990443
+>>21990424
+If he wants to tell his tranny horde to post my face then I’ll post his. And his mom’s. I bet this place would have a field day with her.
+--- 21990445
+>>21990403
+(You)
+--- 21990448
+>>21990424
+The most reddit thing in this thread, and that's saying something.
+--- 21990450
+>>21990443
+>If he wants to tell his tranny horde to post my face then I’ll post his. And his mom’s. I bet this place would have a field day with her.
+--- 21990454
+>>21990448
+>The most reddit thing in this thread, and that's saying something.
+--- 21990456
+>>21990445
+I’m not fucking around here. These assclowns think they can post my full name and face and larp as me for their retarded doxxing games? They wanna dish it out? Then they better be prepared to take it right back.
+--- 21990467
+Nice file names.
+--- 21990476
+>>21990456
+lol you’re literally this >>21990424
+--- 21990500
+>>21990456
+hahaha
+--- 21990529
+>>21990476
+Fuck off back to your home, discord tranny.
+https://discord.gg/HccFzaQN
+--- 21990533
+>>21990467
+kek. Good catch. It really is just one unreallie talking to himself.
+--- 21990563
+>>21990533
+>multiple people using the default filenames is impossible, it must be the same person!
+
+You people are so stupid.
+--- 21990579
+>>21990563
+>every single image happens to use a default file name from one specific make of phone in a thread with 33 unique IPs
+Yeah, total coincidence. Keep astroturfing Unreallie.
+--- 21990595
+>>21990579
+Let's be real 33 unique ips means there's not a lot of us unreal haters here either.
+--- 21990600
+The only retards who come into simp for mediocre unreal downies are 
+>ZULU ALITSPA
+>DANIEL GAVILOVSKI
+>JAMES KRAKE L.A. LABUSCHAGNE >GUY HAYES SOPHUS ALEX >PRESTIA WENYU JALEN HART >JOSHUA VITULLO DAVID HEROD
+>OGDEN NESMER
+Since they need to defend their goyslop writing
+--- 21990608
+>>21990563
+This.
+>>21990600
+Seethe more, Professor Reddit
+--- 21990615
+>>21990529
+i joined the discord and it's completely dead
+--- 21990631
+>>21990600
+seething
+--- 21990653
+>12 total goodreads ratings
+Am I the first human to post ITT?
+--- 21990654
+>seething 
+Woohooo I said it again
+--- 21990666
+>>21990653
+It's even worse when you realize that every single one of those ratings come from one of the contributors to the anthology. What little interest there is in Unreal is completely fake.
+--- 21990685
+>>21990666
+It's some sort of shill thread right? The first reply is a guy who has a physical copy and he posts a picture of it, haha. I see some rage meme with the cover of the book pasted in and it states you can download it for free. It's probably one of thr contributors trying to get some sort of engagement for it. 12 total goodreads ratings is absurd.
+--- 21990698
+>>21990653
+>it’s up to 12
+Proud of you. Good to see this thing keeping momentum three months post launch, unreal needs another project out tho. This is the first thing from /lit/ since the quarterly to make any sort of bite. Would be simple enough to build off of this into a smedium indie publisher with an attractive catalogue of releases.
+--- 21990701
+Professor Reddit is spiraling, unable to cope. 
+I’m worried about xher, you guys…
+--- 21990709
+>>21990685
+The weird thing is Unreal doesn't even really exist anymore. They had some weird discord tranny drama where their pet black doxed two contributors to the mag and posted their family photos around these threads. One of the hosts left and the others went into hiding. I don't even know who's left to to make these pathetic shill attempts.
+--- 21990713
+It was this image that killed the weekly top ten poster
+--- 21990719
+>>21990713
+Hi Frank
+So can we assume then that YOU’RE the “doxxer”?
+--- 21990727
+>>21990709
+As far as I can tell they went completely private. Instead of being a community/podcast they’re just doing the books. 
+
+The guy doxxed wasn’t a contributor just a random dude Rhymeandgrind got into an internet fight with. The podcast guys got into too much drama and I’m pretty sure all of them have left. The press side is continuing as normal from what Zulu and Miles said. I left when they scrapped the discord and turned it into some random thing. 
+
+It’s for the best, their podcast was mostly shit and their discord was good for shitposting and watching e drama but otherwise useless. I’ll buy Tales 2 if it looks good and the stories are better.
+--- 21990735
+>>21990709
+>why, yes I start threads about the Unreal Press
+>why? Because it makes redditors seethe, of course
+--- 21990742
+>>21990727
+>The guy doxxed wasn’t a contributor just a random dude
+Nah, he did contribute. He wrote one of the stories they reviewed on their podcast and also did a voice over for Zulu's story.
+--- 21990745
+>>21990698
+Honestly this. It's the first issue of its sort and a way for aspiring writers to be productive. 12 is pretty decent and there's room for growth. Who do you think read Borge's early lit mags? Harping on this is the kind of thing a crab grasping at straws would do. Feels good he's seething
+--- 21990751
+>>21990745
+>It's the first issue of its sort and a way for aspiring writers to be productive
+Hahahaha
+--- 21990752
+>>21986162
+Everything is pozzed in 2023.
+--- 21990756
+>>21990666
+>>21990653
+(No one tell him how many ratings tradpubbed journals get)
+--- 21990758
+>>21990742
+Wasn���t a contributor to any of the magazines. I’m as much of a contributor as he was because I made a thumbnail(that they did not use). The podcast was a shit show with no real staff or structure. He was a drama whore as was two of the other hosts and they ended up murder suiciding each other. Unreal is better off without the podcast at all. Just be a magazine/publisher.
+--- 21990780
+>>21990758
+>Unreal is better off without the podcast at all. Just be a magazine/publisher.
+I agree that the podcast was shit but is the mag really worth keeping around? It's almost entirely unedited and no one even reads it. Seems like a waste of time for everyone involved.
+--- 21990783
+>>21990780
+I liked the podcast, the interviews were great.
+--- 21990790
+>>21990780
+So you just don’t like reading/writing?
+Seriously, why are you even here?
+--- 21990791
+>>21990780
+How do you know this, anon?
+--- 21990795
+>>21990790
+Why are 90% of the people here? Trolling and crabbing, that's it. Look at the threads in the catalog. Total shit.
+--- 21990807
+>>21990780
+They frequently posted the magazine sales for all of their releases(this is mostly really embarrassing, the third anthology sold 8 between 8-10 copies lol), and Tales was selling really well (relatively) so yeah I think it’s the only thing they do that’s worth pursuing. One of the editors was talking about publishing novels and a non fic anthology. Those are a waste of time, Unreal doesn’t have the base or the resources or the pedigree. The magazine is a good asset though and they need to keep doing that. 
+Unreal is mostly idea guys alternating manic episodes. The podcast is reflective of that. The 8 episodes I listened to were of seriously varied qualities and it’s really clear when the hosts were excited about the show versus less than half assing it. And an indie literature YouTube channel based around podcasts? What’s the ceiling on that? 1000 subscribers? Let them make books. We might get something worthwhile out of this miserable board.
+--- 21990814
+>>21990807
+You're a fucking moron. A Podcast can actually give momentum to the writers and people on the show. Writing does jack shit for someone's reputation because this place is, by design, a sinkhole for dissent.
+
+Alternative thinkers are hustled to places like this where their ideas and speech will never be heard outside of crabs and fucking losers.
+--- 21990816
+>>21990758
+>I made a thumbnail 
+
+Incendia?
+--- 21990819
+>>21990783
+The interviews were some of the worst content they did. Dead air, no structure, bad audio and worst of all, completely uninterested hosts. Genuinely unlistenable.
+
+>>21990790
+I love reading and I love writing. I don't, however, have even the slightest desire to read a bunch of unedited stories from amateurs who don't know the basics of grammar, let alone storytelling. Maybe if there was a real editor pulling them by the nose I'd care enough to give it a second look but these guys are not real editors.
+
+>>21990807
+Wasn't it like 25 copies of Tales sold? That's hardly enough to break out of the embarrassing tier.
+--- 21990820
+>>21990814
+>Alternative thinkers are hustled to places like this where their ideas and speech will never be heard outside of crabs and fucking losers.
+
+Well put
+--- 21990831
+>>21990819
+I’d like to read your work. I bet it sucks.
+--- 21990834
+>>21990814
+Lol
+--- 21990837
+>>21990814
+Whats your problem dude? Are you one of the hosts or are you the schizo itt screaming at no one about crabs? 
+A publisher is a much better platform to launch writers than a podcast that has a ceiling of 500 listeners with half of them waiting for an interview. My only concern is whether or not they can manage a serious magazine and then build that into a proper publisher. The tales pdf is nicely designed and the cover is eye catching, but the stories themselves are mostly filler. You can say the same of something like Clarkesworld but the filler there is reaching so much higher than the filler here. The filler here genuinely just needs to stay on a hard drive. But, as a first effort from a fledgling publisher it’s good enough to be exciting. 
+
+I won’t get my hopes up though. Since the Quarterly killed itself every project here is either a forgettable one off or is never able to grow beyond their initial size. /ffa/, &amp, all of these fit that bill.
+--- 21990842
+>>21990819
+>I love reading but only specific thing a which have been approved for my consumption 
+This isn’t a love of reading this is just being pretentious and boring.
+--- 21990847
+>>21990837
+The podcast was great. We need more content about authors and what they're working on and why they work on what they work on.
+--- 21990848
+You think you can just report my post and this’ll all disappear? Think again, KC.
+--- 21990854
+>>21990819
+I didn’t save the image but the first two weeks were at least 25, which was good enough to almost reach Mike Ma in the top ten according to the anon who makes the list. The top ten list tells me that basically nothing from this board sells anything, even Call of the Crocodile is mostly in the 800k-1million range, so consistently sticking at that 100-200k range is good comparatively. At least it was, I’m not sure where it ranks these days.
+--- 21990856
+>>21990819
+You are a guaranteed fucking loser.
+>hosts weren't totally polished, hurrr durr le terrible!
+Hosts were getting better every show, I found the Gardner episode to be the most enjoyable. Wish we had more spaces and places for authors to talk and connect on podcasts.
+
+Instead, we have /lit/ full of shithead crabs and nobody writes or does jack shit. I haven't seen one discussion on Chicken World yet and don't know anything about the characters or plot.
+
+This forum fucking blows.
+--- 21990865
+>>21990854
+This is correct, everyone here is an outcast and NOBODY CARES about writing or writers.
+
+If you want attention, get into rap music or something you can add a beat to and talk about pussy, guns, drugs, and luxury goods. Books have little to no appeal to young people, especially men, and writing itself is seen as extremely uncool.
+
+Hell, becoming a tranny and then streaming on Twitch will get you more money and more attention than writing 10 books and showing them off on /lit/.
+--- 21990874
+>>21990854
+Currently at 270k.
+Im one of the people involved with the publishing side and I can say that the sales are good enough to be really encouraging and also discouraging, because it puts into perspective the sheer volume of books you have to sell to even pay one month’s rent as an author.
+--- 21990881
+>>21990856
+>Hosts were getting better every show, I found the Gardner episode to be the most enjoyable.
+The Gardner episode was their very first episode and one of their first interviews. What you're actually saying is that it was all downhill from the very beginning. 
+
+>>21990842
+This is pure fucking cope. I don't have to like unedited slop written by people who don't know how to use a comma. No amount of name calling is going to change that.
+--- 21990885
+>>21990874
+Goes to show you that the establishment puts all of their ducks in a row in entertainment so that dissenters simply cannot survive.
+
+The establishment has completely won.
+--- 21990887
+>>21990881
+I bet your writing is really good!
+--- 21990889
+>>21990885
+>unreal slop 
+>dissenters 
+Kek
+--- 21990892
+>>21990709
+>their pet black 
+
+is >>21990848 him? KEK
+--- 21990894
+>>21990819
+>Wasn't it like 25 copies of Tales sold?
+Had broken 50 sales months ago, not sure how many now.
+
+>>21990847
+I enjoy them too. It takes some effort to hop on and talk rather than just text chat in isolation. The Woolston and John (fedbook guy) episodes were my favorite. &amp editor episode is a slice of /lit/ history and the personalities involved
+--- 21990896
+>>21990881
+The dichotomy you presume which puts all unedited work on the bad side and edited work on the good side shows you’re just interested in status and approval, not interesting material to read. 
+If you want me to call you a name you can keep seething, then let’s go with “poser”
+--- 21990897
+>>21990848
+Who the fuck is KC?
+--- 21990899
+>>21990881
+The best episodes are the Gardner and the &amp one, which are the first and last episodes. I listened to a bunch of the other ones while programming and found it enjoyable. They have been getting better and I hope they continue.
+
+I bet a Jason Bryan episode would be interesting, although we're already at the end of culture so nothing I would say would really make any sense to people. All of the slippery slopes have already been slid and we're now at the lowest point of culture and society the west has ever been in.
+--- 21990902
+>>21990881
+Why is this one person so invested in shitting on Tales. I’ve responded to you twice but you just seem rather adamant. Literally no one that I’ve seen has portrayed this mag as anything other than a decent looking book that contains 2 good/really good stories and 1-2 tolerable stories then 8 stories that don’t belong on printed page. Seriously, that’s the content of every review I’ve seen on /lit/ and on Amazon. Mostly people are excited because they expect it to improve. If it does, I’ll buy it. I’m sure the actual Weird Tales had a stronger start but they also had HP Lovecraft so it’s hard to follow.
+--- 21990904
+>>21990896
+>le my book is edited
+Some fat blue haired chick glanced through the novel and changed a few sentences and paragraphs, voila, the book is so much better now!
+--- 21990908
+>>21990897
+K***** C****** is the leader of the Unreal gay ops against me.
+He also goes by RhymeAndGrind
+--- 21990909
+>>21990902
+Anyone who writes from /lit/ is relentlessly attacked.
+--- 21990914
+>>21990908
+>against me
+I like when you unwittingly admit that it’s just you with this rabid hate boner for the unreal bros.
+--- 21990916
+>>21990902
+It’s TRANderson attention whoring, ignore him
+--- 21990920
+>>21990902
+>>21990904
+>>21990896
+Go look at L.A's story right now. On the very first page there is a sentence with 7 commas separating 9 words. Every single comma is misused. That is inexcusable in a printed work that supposedly had an editor. These guys either do not care enough to edit their work or they are too stupid to catch something that obvious.
+Either way, Not reading your slop.
+--- 21990926
+Another discord drama thread from these folx
+--- 21990929
+>>21990908
+that's not his initials or name kek. Try again.
+--- 21990931
+>>21990929
+And how would you know, faggot?
+--- 21990932
+>>21990920
+>not reading you slop but I will go through and make an analysis of the comma overusage just to make my point on an anonymous website
+Remember what I said about you being pretentious and boring? This is literally what I’m talking about
+--- 21990933
+>>21990899
+I’m in a discord server with Faggot Gardner and he said he considered funding Unreal but changed his mind. These guys were almost funded by the insane richfag that’s been shitting up /wg/ for the past few years. Hi Frank. I know you’re reading this. You’re mad I posted this I bet. How many copies of your latest braindroppings have you sold?
+--- 21990935
+>>21990931
+Least transparent tranny bluff
+--- 21990945
+>>21990920
+There has to be one decent writer from the shithole known as /wg/
+--- 21990946
+>>21990920
+Copy and paste it, bitch ass.
+--- 21990949
+>>21990933
+Frank is a nice fucking guy. Fuck off with besmirching the good name of Gardner.
+--- 21990953
+>>21990926
+I swear I watched these people shut down the discord a month ago. No idea why this is still happening. Somebody with an axe to grind and somebody else with an IQ low enough to entertain him. Then again, there are 40 posters itt so maybe it’s one guy
+--- 21990954
+>>21990929
+yea that’s not him, this is
+--- 21990961
+>>21990953
+Ari has a vendetta against us for exposing his gay ops and making fun of his second grade word project.
+--- 21990963
+>>21990932
+You're just making excuses. This is an obvious flaw that damages readability and points to the over all slapjob nature of the entire product. Not that the AI artwork cover didn't reveal that already.
+
+>>21990945
+That's not even the point. A good editor can elevate a bad writer. This was a nightmare combination of terrible writers and nonexistent editors.
+--- 21990973
+>>21990963
+>judges book by its cover
+Ah, yes. The calling card of the retard. Very nice
+--- 21990975
+>>21990963
+You must be an editor.
+--- 21990982
+>>21990963
+>nonexistent editors.
+That makes sense. This isn't a publishing company.
+--- 21990987
+>>21990963
+Get fucked loser. Have you read "The Glass Hotel" by Emily Saint Shitstain? That fucking book was praised by so many people including Barack Obama, and out of curiosity I bought it... fucking boring as fuck and the writing wasn't anything particularly good. Could not finish it as it was boring as fuck.
+--- 21990988
+>>21990982
+It’s a self-publishing shitshow
+--- 21990994
+>>21990988
+That is why traditional publishing always wins
+--- 21991001
+>>21990994
+If the retards implemented any sort of quality control besides fellating each other that their work was “brilliant” then they have had an iota of credibility.
+--- 21991002
+>>21990987
+>it's okay that they didn't put a speck of effort into the book because this other globohomo book is bad
+Is this all you have for this latest cope?
+--- 21991008
+>>21990987
+This gives me hope. Mainstream publishing is such a woke shitshow that nobody really believes in. It's completely sterile and people are getting bored with the millionth novel about muh black oppression and muh strong women, something from the outside might have a chance to catch people's attention.
+--- 21991017
+>>21990963
+If Unreal Press wants to market itself as an avant-garde indie publishing outfit, then they need to achieve a quirky, cool, and consistent visual aesthetic. Otherwise they have no home of establishing themselves as a brand and gaining legitimacy. The cover of their first anthology is obviously AI-generated garbage with some shitty font slapped on top, which screams “amateur self-published work.” It’s a sign that the contents of the book will be similarly low-effort and sloppy.
+--- 21991032
+>>21990973
+>>21991017 was meant as a response to you.
+--- 21991041
+>>21990954
+Man, my hairline was so fucked in this one. 
+No idea who you are or why you’re trying to doxx me. I’ve posted twice in this thread way before this current whirlwind of drama, mostly content to just read, but apparently someone is really invested in revealing my identity. Find God. 
+
+I didn’t post this initially because I figure these threads are just Unreal members and one to two guys with a vendetta, but to any unaffiliateds who may be lurking : The Ari drama was stirred by me, exacerbated by me, and I was directly responsible for the worsening of that situation. I did not request or post his face on the board, and nobody ever posted his mother or contacted his work, but I was in a position to stop that entire thing, the alts, the doxxing, should have stopped it, and did not, and at times actively encouraged very bad behavior. Due to this, and due to putting a very promising project in serious jeopardy, I was removed as editor and host by those who currently manage Unreal, and I fully deserved this. I am no longer in anyway affiliated with the magazine. Zulu and Miles run a tight ship and this project has a lot of potential, it would be wise for any young writers to keep an eye out for progress there. 
+
+Whoever is threatening to doxx me: Find Jesus. Spend your time better. Not my business really.
+--- 21991044
+>>21991032
+I wouldn’t have given a shit even if you knew how to reply correctly. You’re not my type of person, you’re too arrogant and naive, I don’t really give a fuck about your opinion.
+--- 21991045
+>>21991002
+The Shitkickers is a great book.
+
+/lit/ doesn't read, so the only thing you will ever hear about the book is the opening line that filters out 90% of the midwits here. None of the concepts or predictions for the future are going to be discussed as nobody here actually reads.
+
+>>21991017
+Books will never be cool as long as you can simply turn on YouTube and watch stuff like:
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttzijna8mgQ [Embed]
+
+>>21991008
+I'm sure The Shitkickers could get popular as it is a light read and has some dark humour in it, also many of the themes would stick with young people experiencing the "diversity" of the city for their first time.
+>however
+The establishment has gone to great lengths to make sure no dissenting voices are heard in the media. When was the last time someone with an "alternative" voice actually blew up? Name one dissenting Canadian artist other than Jason Bryan?
+
+They do not exist. If they do, they're either homeless or drug-addicted and not writing and not producing art. Anyone who is aware of the Canadian cultural landscape should be able to tell you that this place, even more than America, is a conformist, dystopian shithole where it is truly every man for himself. The population of boomers here only cares about their real estate going up, and the younger generations cannot afford to adventure or gain any life experience. They are so mind-fucked and financially imprisoned that this country has rolled over and become this bloated, festering corpse where the construction density is only out-flanked by the doubling of the homeless camps year after year after year.
+--- 21991046
+>>21991017
+Tales is an explicit Weird Tales homage and it works perfectly as one. A few people have moshed about the ai gen, I leave them to their opinions, otherwise the cover and design has received high praise and I’m proud of the work Guy did and the project as a whole. Hopefully the guys hit a home run with the follow up.
+--- 21991047
+>>21991041
+This board is designed to entrap writers and never allow anyone or anything to flourish. It is a pit full of crabs.
+--- 21991052
+>>21991046
+The cover is fucking great. Don't listen to these faggots who have never written or designed anything at all.
+--- 21991054
+>>21991017
+They will never be avant-garde since what their write will never be transgressive — just pure genreslop without any experimentalism
+--- 21991056
+>>21991041
+Can you just give a QRD on the Ari drama so everyone knows what the fuck happened and the conjecture can stop? Who was behind “the alts” you mention?What did the guy do to incur your wrath in the first place? If he’s really some kind of evil mastermind who sends people death threats then I want to steer clear of &amp from now on.
+--- 21991063
+>>21991054
+This is what confuses me most. Everyone is attempting to hype this shit up as some counter culture mag that's gonna lift us all up, yet all it does is host unedited genre fiction that no one even reads.
+--- 21991065
+>>21991056
+qrd
+>drama on discord
+>nobody can just apologize and move on
+>nothing originating from /lit/ can rise from the pool of shit because we're surrounded by crabs and nobody can be the bigger man and say they're sorry
+--- 21991068
+>>21991063
+Who reads? Who???
+--- 21991074
+>>21991063
+The earlier anthologies (the ones absolutely no one bothers to read or talk about) were more literary focused. There's some great work in them but >>21991068
+--- 21991084
+>>21991065
+Rhyme literally just admitted his part in it and apologized. Shut the fuck up Jason. You’re a barely-literate nobody and none of this has anything to do with you. Your work isn’t ignored because it’s too transgressive for people here, it’s ignored because it’s worthless shit that you shill in the most retarded way possible. You’re a fucking sex offender pornographer who bragged about assaulting teenage girls in South America. You’re a deranged sack of human garbage, and I hope that you lose custody of your daughter. Being subjected to your despicable presence will screw her up beyond repair, and I genuinely worry for her safety considering your predatory tendencies. You should be in prison or in a mental hospital.
+--- 21991086
+>>21991056
+No QRD. No extension of the drama. I won’t deny anything anyone says other than the mom and workplace stuff. They’ve also never doxxed contributors lol, how do you think people submit to us until Tales all of our contributors were in house since we can’t pay anything, and tales was conducted mostly over discord with a few anonymous emails. That sort of pure evil taint doesn’t need to be anywhere near these guys’ work.
+
+It’s ridiculous to bog down a promising project in e drama. I fucked up majorly, didn’t behave responsibly, participated in bad behavior and encouraged malpractice. Anyone who extends the drama beyond this point has no desire than to see a really exciting project die on the vine. People like that would be shot in a better time. 
+Krake is gone, LA is gone, I was removed. The entire podcast side is dead and dusted. That channel is now a /lit/ museum, I’ll be buying whatver these guys put out just like I’ve always bought /lit/ stuff.
+--- 21991095
+>>21991084
+That's hilarious for you to accuse me of all sorts of things that are untrue, just goes to show how toxic and fucked this board is because it is full of anonymous dipshits who'd get knocked the fuck out if they opened their mouth in person.
+
+You call my work "worthless shit" when you've never made it beyond a paragraph. You cannot even describe the plot of The Shitkickers because you are nothing but a worthless crab who:
+>doesn't write
+>doesn't read
+>doesn't live life
+>doesn't offer anything new
+>doesn't do anything but crab and bitch
+Bro, people like you are why this place is so shit.
+
+If you killed yourself, the board would get better. Hope you stay alive long enough to see my 3rd book come out this year. :)
+--- 21991103
+>>21991086
+If you don’t explain what happened then the conjecture will likely continue. I don’t know what the best of &amp editor did, but his name gets smeared in every &amp and Unreal thread and all sorts of wild accusations are being thrown around. Just explain who did what so that no one will be unfairly blamed for Unreal’s gay ops and then there’ll be no reason for trolls to extend the drama any further.
+--- 21991109
+Now that Rhyme has apologized to the other party and an olive branch has been extended let's close the book on this thread. Thank you, gentlemen.
+--- 21991113
+>>21991103
+the Ari shit is unironically too schizo to even unravel for the people involved. he might literally be an egregore or something. dude is tapped.
+--- 21991114
+>>21991103
+The drama is intended because there is a real group of people on here that do their best to sabotage anyone who writes. This place is a containment zone designed to keep dissenters down.
+--- 21991116
+>>21991095
+Jason is truly the alien squid monster from Watchmen. The only entity that can bring both feuding sides together in their hate for him.
+--- 21991118
+>>21991103
+Let the conjecture continue. If people wish to theorycraft I cannot stop them. Let Unreal continue unhampered by the machinations of drama whores. The real work is already being done . This mess out here is just a bunch of guys on the outside slinging mud. All I can do as one of those guys on the outside is admit my fault and part in it, and say with completely transparency that the current guys over unreal, who I assume to be Guy, Zulu, and Miles, had nothing to do with it, and the podcast and server have died a deserving death. 
+
+But desu, I have no control over the podcast anymore so they may continue even that.
+--- 21991127
+>>21991095
+If the first paragraph of your work is such trash that no one is interested in finishing it, that’s your own fault for being a horrible writer. No one owes it to you to read your work; you have to make them WANT to read it. Typical of a rapist like you to default to trying to shove something down people’s throats. It’s hilarious that you resort to threatening violence, encouraging suicide, claiming people hate you for being a straight white guy (despite 90% of this board being the same) and accusing anons of not reading or writing (despite having zero knowledge of their personal lives and achievements) whenever anyone calls you out on your shit, because you have no way of actually refuting the criticism you recieve. You’re a seething megalomaniacal narcissist, and you should be permabanned from this board. You’re not even a slightly amusing lolcow like some of the other shills, you’re just a malignant cancerous growth that kills everything you touch.
+--- 21991128
+>>21991118
+Buckley was right.
+--- 21991131
+>>21991127
+Sounds like crab talk to me.
+
+Write something, bitch? Oh wait, you can't, you have no creativity and you have no life experience to draw from. Keep hating those who do!
+--- 21991135
+So there's no one even left at Unreal? Just Miles and the guy do did the (AI) cover art? What did Zulu even do for Unreal outside of that one story?
+Who's doing the editing and the typesetting and all the actual work that goes into getting this to paper? Seems like it's already over.
+--- 21991139
+>>21991135
+>Unreal
+>editing
+--- 21991140
+>>21991135
+it's not over. i just talked to someone who said they're taking submissions. i'm going to submit to them and wait for this whole thing to blow over
+--- 21991143
+>>21991128
+Everyone was right. I should’ve been removed in November, and my behavior did serious damage. The one person who trolls these threads won’t stop but I’m not worried about him, just the anons who take these 250 posts written by 45 unique ips at face value. Tales is great for /lit/ authors and the publication in general can do a lot of good for those talented people left behind by current publishing.
+
+I am glad the podcast existed because all of the /lit/erally whos are forever preserved in audio format with a few exceptions.
+--- 21991147
+>>21991143
+The podcast needs to be revived.
+--- 21991151
+>>21991131
+>”write something, bitch! you’re just a crab!” 
+
+You’re literally proving my point by throwing out completely baseless accusations about my personal life instead of trying to refute anything that I said. I’m not just an indiscriminate hater: I’m happy to support self-published authors from /lit/ and encourage their success, as long as their work seems interesting and they don’t go overboard with the shilling. Your deranged ranting in your incessant attention-seeking posts is sufficient proof that you have no worthwhile insights and no writing talent. Go fuck yourself.
+--- 21991154
+>>21991143
+>I am glad the podcast existed
+>existed
+wonkabros... greenbookbros...
+it's over.
+--- 21991155
+>>21991140
+Okay but are they just waiting for someone who actually knows what do to come along and do everything for them? Miles doesn't know how to get a book to print. Does Guy know how? Zulu just seems to be running the new discord. I don't know what relation he has to Unreal.
+It just seems like it's gonna be stuck in limbo until they get Krake or L.A or whoever actually did the heavy lifting to come back and save them.
+--- 21991158
+>>21991135
+Guy did the typesetting, the interior artwork Which is the coolest part of Tales, and the cover design which was also very cool as he handmade the Weird Tales imitation font. The AI gen cover which I am still shocked went over as well as it did, was the only art stuff I had any hand in. My role was really putting together a rough draft of Tales, the cover design and typesetting, then Guy came and re did all of my shit a million times better. Miles has done spot editing for the magazine a ton of contributing in other projects, and Zulu has made ads, interior artwork, and multiple contributions. 
+
+You’re in good hands
+--- 21991160
+>>21991143
+wtf happened in November?
+--- 21991162
+>>21991160
+He doxed a contributor to Unreal and went after his family.
+--- 21991171
+>>21991128
+Right about what?
+--- 21991184
+>>21991162
+seriously? that’s fucked
+--- 21991185
+>>21991155
+>heavy lifting
+lol, self pubbing on amazon is piss easy.
+--- 21991199
+>>21991185
+Hitting print is piss easy but running a mag is a commitment. For evidence look at the graveyard of upstart mags from this board. Guy has complete competence though.
+--- 21991202
+>>21991143
+November was 5 months ago. Why did it take this long for anyone in Unreal to care about you doxing this guy? It seems like you're just the fall guy now that /lit/ is catching onto what you did.
+--- 21991210
+>>21991185
+If it is so easy then post your book, simpleton.
+--- 21991214
+>>21991151
+Still so much more talented than you.
+--- 21991215
+>>21991210
+cope
+--- 21991216
+>>21991199
+Mags only fail here because retards refuse to help or do the heavy lifting that takes starting a mag. Then when anyone proposes starting one, retards are just contrarian. Even if I don’t like a majority of what &amp and Unreal publish, at least they overcame the crybabby mentality that plagues every potential mag thread. I wish more of this shit happened in 2015 before this board became infested with illiterate /pol/tards who get filtered by JD Salinger of all writers.
+--- 21991226
+>>21991214
+C O P E
+O O
+P P
+E E
+--- 21991236
+>>21991216
+Writing is just not cool, pretty much at all. Writing was cooler 10+ years ago, for sure, but in 2023?
+
+There is so little about writing that is cool. It just doesn't have any attraction to young people to read because nothing about reading is social or exciting or flashy. It all exists in a personal space, two people can read the same book and take away two totally different meanings from the book, where as if you watch a movie, you're entertained and most people have the same thimble-deep experience watching a Marvel movie. It's like a rollercoaster, whee!
+
+Mags fail here because writing is just not cool and there is so little incentive to connect people's minds through writing. There is just so much more entertaining and engaging things out there in the world than sitting on your ass and writing shit that nobody will read.
+--- 21991245
+>>21991202
+People had a problem with it in november. In fact, two of the guys i mentioned said it was a bad idea. Two things prevented this from "coming to light": the fact that the "dox" was just finding his school because he said someone was stalking him and threatening to hurt him, therefore nobody was in harm's way, and 2, I was in charge of everything so why would I fire myself?
+However, there was a snowballing in march and while I am positive that nobody ever went after his family (I was in semi frequent contact with him until recently, and he never accused anyone of doing this), this entire business reflected horribly on unreal. I was removed, but the other people involved stepping away is just God working, they weren't forced out or anything. 
+/lit/ "caught on" over a month ago. If they were gonna offer up a meaningless fall guy they'd have done it. Instead a dude who did a lot of "heavy lifting" was removed with everyone still involved agreeing with that removal because of how much damage my bad behavior caused. 
+It's good that I wasn't removed in November because Tales wasn't out yet and the other other head editor hadn't released anything yet so the entire project would've died. Now these guys are well equipped to take this to another level. Without the constant noise and distractions.
+--- 21991248
+>>21991245
+I wish Unreal and &amp the best of luck. Hope the podcast comes back!
+--- 21991263
+>>21991245
+What I’ve taken from these threads is that you guys doxxed him in March and posted his face because you found out he was a schizo who had faked the whole stalker thing, and then he got pissed and started trolling the Unreal threads and sending you all death threats? If that’s true then the dude is batshit.
+--- 21991273
+>>21991263
+Honestly, I don't think he's crazy. I understand why I and others thought he was insane, but apprently he did have a stalker, and she was harassing him in the server. I talked to her for an hour. Her actually existing was the breaking point for everyone else, because not only did I orchestrate a smear campaign that resulted in his doxxing, but his stalker was a real person, meaning i further victimized this dude. I was told that I should leave the podcast server a couple of hours later, and by the next day we were all talking and they agreed that I was doing more harm than good and should step away from Unreal.
+--- 21991276
+>>21991263
+>If that’s true then the dude is batshit.
+That's a very light reaction by 4chan standards, especially if the whole fucking with his family thing is true. If they did that to me I'd go nuclear.
+--- 21991289
+>>21991276
+You're the same person mentioning this family business, I imagine. This never transpired. The person in question had an entire list of grievances with my behavior, but contacting his family was explicitly never mentioned. It never happened. I believe someone was spreading misinformation, which would have been solved had I just came out and admitted my role immediately. The only harm done in this situation was to the reputation of Unreal by myself, and to the person in question who had to deal with being harassed by an internet schizo in addition to a jilted ex lover who was stalking him IRL and via discord.
+--- 21991290
+>>21991273
+Wtf? Is this true? Who was the stalker then, and how did she get involved? So he’s been smearing Unreal because he’s mad that you all called him a liar?
+--- 21991303
+>>21991289
+>You're the same person mentioning this family business, I imagine.
+I'm just trying to follow this story, and that's an element of this story that has been propagated over and over and over again. If the guy who is fucking with you is the guy who you doxed then that guy is now saying that you messed with him IRL. That seems like an accusation to me.
+--- 21991319
+>>21991290
+I have no idea who the stalker is. After we spoke to her we decided to dissolve the podcast and server the same night. I don't think he's been smearing us, just some third party with a personal vendetta. This person has no reason to blame anyone but myself and other people who are not even affiliated with unreal(random discord users). 
+>>21991303
+It isn't. I think it's someone tangentially related who dislikes Unreal. Again, I communicated with him rather frequently, and we informed him that we "doxx'd" him all the way back in February. Recently he told me that someone posted his face to the board and how much that upset him. He's been very communicative. You can imagine how much drama this has brought about and why they shut down the discord and removed those involved. There's serious work to be done, it's better to let petty distractions die. 
+If someone insists on stirring up this meaningless drama, anyone can simply refer to my posts. Those who continue in spite of that will be immediately recognized as bad faith actors who wish to see every /lit/ writer deprived of any opportunity to succeed.
+--- 21991344
+>>21991319
+>those who continue in spite of that will be immediately recognized as bad faith actors who wish to see every /lit/ writer deprived of any opportunity to succeed.
+This is like 50% of this board.
+--- 21991348
+>>21991319
+>Those who continue in spite of that will be immediately recognized as bad faith actors who wish to see every /lit/ writer deprived of any opportunity to succeed.
+That seems like an incredible copout. People have every right to associate your actions with the rest of Unreal. No one knows their involvement in this and your sudden confession appears engineered to draw blame away from those that are still around. It all seems very disingenuous with the timeline presented.
+There's also the issue of the second guy that you've have been accused of doxing. You've been weirdly silent on that one.
+--- 21991361
+>>21991348
+If you want to stir drama up that's your business. It's interesting how you waited 20 posts to pivot to this mystery second guy I've never even heard of. You clearly just want this drama to continue. That's fine, i mean it's an anon imageboard. What else is there to do. But on my side, I'm done, through, out, ask anyone and thye'll tell you the sum of my involvement in Unreal right now. But you can, in future threads, attempt to make that association. And it's up to the people in those threads to deal with you. I don't know what your endgame is, maybe it's just to make sure nothing ever grows here. I won't psychoanalyze you. I've said my piece, my next communication with Unreal or anything related to it will be purely transactional. Hopefully by June if they've got something cooking. 
+>>21991344
+I recognize this. But while i was running that magazine i saw a a ton of people in the most cynical place on the internet genuinely hopeful about something. It's a shame to step on that but some people serve no other purpose.
+--- 21991367
+>>21991361
+I believe in Unreal and &amp still, just need to move beyond this utter bullshit. Thank you for all of your work to put /lit/ on the map.
+--- 21991379
+>>21991361
+What in the absolute fuck are you on about? 
+>pivot to this mystery second guy I've never even heard of.
+I've seen two threads out of god knows how many of your discord tranny cope sessions that have been plaguing this board and even I know that you guys have been accused of doxing two people. The second one even included his workplace if I'm remembering right. 
+The instant I bring him up you get super defensive? What's that about? If you're here to confess then confess.
+--- 21991395
+>>21991361
+This is a ridiculous amount of drama for such a minor entity. Could you guys pause on the shill threads until you have another submission window? The drama is embarrassing but ultimately meaningless, the volume of what I assume are self made shill threads is bordering on Gardneresque. Wouldn’t love to be associated with that. I do have a shitty poem and a less shitty Short Story to submit.
+--- 21991400
+>>21991319
+>If someone insists on stirring up this meaningless drama, anyone can simply refer to my posts. Those who continue in spite of that will be immediately recognized as bad faith actors who wish to see every /lit/ writer deprived of any opportunity to succeed.
+That is complete shit. You just admitted to doxing a guy for literally no reason.
+--- 21991404
+>>21991289
+stop saying lies about me I never threatened to hurt him I would never ever hurt him or anyone else I NEVER stalked him irl we literally crossed paths ONE time irl coincidentally as i was leaving class and then he got super angry and nasty and went out of his way to hurt my feelings as much as possible and basically accused me of stalking him and made some vaguely threatening comment about how he wouldn’t take kindly to seeing me again and I was so fucking hurt and scared like I was just trying to go to class I had every right to be there and when I saw him I didn’t know what to do I didn’t even try to talk to him or anything I just turned and left right away and i was so upset that I even asked my professor to relocate our class to a different building afterwards because I was scared of what he would do to me if he saw me again you all act like I’m some kind of evil person and he’s an innocent victim he literally led me on for months and would spend hours talking to me becayse he was bored and liked the attention and then brutally rejected me because I wasn’t hot enough even though he knew what I looked like from the beginning and chose to initiate things with me anyway and then he said he never wanted to speak to me again and I cried andwhen I reached out to him later and said that I missed him and felt sad he went out of his way to be as cruel as possible in his response like he wanted to inflict maximum emotional pain like why did he do that I never wanted to do any of the discord shit i felt so bad about it but I felt like I had to do it becayse he was stonewalling me and i was so upset and i couldn’t get. Calm and I didn’t know why and we could have resolved things before any of it if he would’ve just treated me like a human being and talked to me instead of what he did like the things that he said about me in the discord were fucking awful like I’m stupid and he would fuck with my head and hide in the bushes and laugh at me crying and you were all making fun of me and saying I’m a tranny and that I deserve to be raped and then after i got out of the hospital I just wanted to talk to him so I could get closure and he agreed and said I could email him my thoughts but then decided to stop responding and heliterally called thecops to come to my apartment and terrorize and threateh me because he couldn’t be bothered to even try to talk to me himself and then he came back in March and did the charizzorb shit to trick me imto reading even more mean shit that he said and stop me from getting better andnow he’s posting my face in the &amp threads because he’s mad that I said he couldn’t use my work after he called me a smelly fuck and said I didn’t meet his high standards like everyone hates me and thinks I’m the bad one he literally lead me on for fun and knew I was upset and crying about it and said he found that amusing like it’s not my fault that you all decided to doxx him i would never do that
+--- 21991414
+>>21991404
+--- 21991417
+>>21991404
+Why is every black on 4chan so fucking unhinged.
+--- 21991421
+God damn, if the stalker just put the same amount of effort into his submissions as he does into 4chan posts he might have actually gotten his shit accepted
+--- 21991422
+>>21991404
+Holy fuck. You sound mentally unwell and should get help. But he sounds like a jackass desu, so you’re probably better off if that’s any consolation.
+--- 21991426
+This thread and drama is more entertaining than the stories in the book
+--- 21991434
+>>21991404
+This whole situation is fucking insane. I mean, it's not because it's all basically typical high school/young adult dumb drama but at the same time it is insane because it's all been generated and is being presented on/from an anonymous image board and an offshoot of it plus discord. Like, who the fuck are these people and why is this shit even happening? I come here for literature discussion and get an episode of Real Housewifes of the Internet or some shit. It's been sort of entertaining to read at times but still what the fuck? Y'all trippin, as one of my diverse urban friends would say.
+--- 21991443
+>>21991434
+Shoulda never tried to start a publishing house with some cool guys i met on a 4chan discord. Worst decision of my life. 
+
+This chick didn't sound this insane over VC. They deserve each other and im glad Unreal is insulated from this situation now.
+--- 21991449
+>>21991404
+Note to everyone reading this: the Unreal Podcast server was infested with shit like this for months
+--- 21991452
+>>21991404
+Can we all just apologize to each other and get the focus back to improving /lit/ with more content and helping /lit/ authors?
+
+I'm sorry people were mean to you, and I think a lot of anons that lurk these threads are sympathetic to you and how you were treated. 2023 is not a friendly time to be alive, and while it can be difficult, we have to try and be the bigger people and reach out an apologize, even though it is more fun to dunk on someone or point out their troubles and mistakes to others.
+
+If you're on /lit/ in the first place, chances are, you've gone through some hardships or you may not trust the average normie as much as you used to. I know that before COVID, I was very extroverted and I was gaining a good group of friends again, and I started to really make a life for myself. Hell, my co-workers threw a surprise birthday party for me, I never had that before and it was nice. During COVID, with all of the division, anger, and fear, my life took a shit and I got wasted all the time and lashed out. Really, the only person we hurt when we do that is ourselves, and while it might be annoying to others, it can really fuck up larger groups of people because workplaces, communities can get toxic as fuck due to that anger. I've seen it happen, I've also been a part of it.
+
+Maybe I should print out posts by all of you people involved in the Unreal drama, fashion a boat out of some cardboard and tape I have lying around here, and take it to the nearby lake and give it a flaming viking funeral so you fuckers can get over this trauma that has stressed out so many people and damaged the projects of Unreal and &amp. Everyone should acknowledge that nobody's hands are clean, but agree to bury the hatchet to be able to move on.
+
+How about a nice bottle of whiskey? Would that soothe some of the tensions? If all the above fails, maybe you should all just get wasted and have a good ol' slobberknocker to knock some sense back into ya'll.
+--- 21991454
+>>21991434
+It is meant to make sure nobody from here ever breaks out of this place.
+--- 21991455
+>>21991379
+kek. I think you hit an exposed nerve with that one. He's not actually going to address the second guy he doxxed.
+--- 21991470
+>>21991449
+yeah it was bad. This is what randoms don't realize
+--- 21991474
+I AM NOT FUCKING AROUND RHYMEANDGRIND/KC I HAVE SHIT ON YOU
+--- 21991478
+>>21991474
+--- 21991484
+>>21991421
+I never submitted anything and if I did it would’ve been accepted I’m a competent writer and editor I used to edit my university’s lit zine I’m not a he stop calling me a stalker I’m not the one who has been trolling this thread and posting stupid shit like I wouldn’t do that all of my posts were critiques of people’s work 
+
+>>21991443
+I’m not insane okay you spoke to me you know I can be rational I just can’t get calm right now like I was fine before all of this happened I trusted him and he led me on for fun and used me to get a confidence boost like what did I do to deserve any of that like I’m trying okay I’m sorry I’m trying but it’s not helping I’m sorry like I just wanted it to stop hurting and everyone feels bad for him and thinks I’m the bad one but I’m not a bad person i never did anything like this before I was never crazy before this happened but now I’ve lost everything and I’m so sad all the time and everyone hates me and feels bad for him and he just gets to drop the whole thing like it’s nothing even though I still have to think about the nasty things he said about me every day and I can’t forget and he doesn’t even see me as a human being and he won’t even try to talk to me because he can’t be bothered like no one understands that I never wanted to hurt him or do anything bad I just wanted to fix things and stop feeling upset he was the one who dragged Unreal into it by bringing it up on discord in the first place because he said he’d have a laugh talking about it I’m not evil okay i never posted his face or pretended to be him or anything like that even though he posted mine last week because he was mad like i just wanted to help with &amp and it just spiralled I never wanted it to be like this
+--- 21991493
+Bitch is out here writing a Cormac McCarthy novel.
+--- 21991494
+>>21991484
+>I’m not a he
+>I can be rational
+sweaty, i...
+--- 21991507
+>>21991484
+>>21991404
+This reads almost exactly like the Molly chapter in Ulysses I am losing my fucking shit here, had was Joyce so spot on?
+--- 21991517
+>>21991452
+I did apologize to him so many times I’ve tried okay I confessed everything that I did to Unreal over vc because i wanted to make things right and clear his name so it could all be over even though one of them was calling me a stupid bitch and a whore and then he said he had no intention of ever talking to me and that no one else should contact me either abd I called him and left a voicemail and I was literally crying and saying please just talk to me but he didn’t care and then he called the cops to go to my parents house and talk to them and now my parents think I’m going to try to kill myself again and are all upset that I won’t tell them what’s going on like he’s probably going to call them again now because he’s mad and they’re going to take me to jail because he hates me and I can’t get calm like why did he do that
+--- 21991523
+>>21991517
+>and now my parents think I’m going to try to kill myself again
+>again
+--- 21991536
+>>21991379
+>>21991455
+AnderSEN, you will regret this if you continue
+--- 21991537
+>>21991517
+THIS is the man who posted Ari's photos
+--- 21991544
+>>21991523
+Peak womanbrain: deciding it makes sense to try and off yourself because some chanfag weirdo doesn’t want to fuck you
+--- 21991545
+Okay so new lore breakdown for this thread.
+>Rhyme comes back
+>admits he doxed a guy for literally no reason
+>attempted to cover it up for 5 months
+>no one could fire him because he was the boss
+>turns out best-of guy did literally nothing wrong and was doxed for no reason
+>forced out
+>L.A, who was all for the doxing of best-of anon, was not forced out. Left on his own
+>Krake did not agree with doxing. Left on his own
+>only 3 guys remain. Seem to be okay with continuing the press side
+>podcast is perma dead. No chance of recovery
+>refuses to acknowledge doxing the second guy. Very defensive over even being questioned on it.
+>listen-and-believe.jpg
+>best-of stalker joins the thread and is as unhinged as you'd expect
+>accuses best-of anon of essentially swatting her with a welfare check
+Anything I missed?
+--- 21991546
+>>21991537
+Unrealmamas…how will we ever recover?
+--- 21991551
+>>21991545
+>Anything I missed?
+the part where Jesus wept.
+--- 21991555
+>>21991545
+He didn't admit to doxxing anyone, people can just scroll up and read yknow you lazy nigger get a fucking life
+--- 21991557
+>>21991545
+when's the next season
+--- 21991558
+>>21991537
+what are you even talking about I don’t know who posted the photos but it wasn’t me and I’m not a man and I’m not old okay I didn’t post them and that’s not me who even is that why did you post that why do you keep trolling like this just stop
+--- 21991562
+>>21991555
+I hope they do because he absolutely did admit to it.
+--- 21991564
+>>21991545
+I’m not unhinged okay it wasn’t a welfare check he called the cops to come to my apartment and belittle me in fro t of my roommate and call me crazy and threaten to arrest me while I stood there crying like i was so scared why did he do that
+--- 21991566
+Alright. Now that it's all settled let's get back to discussing Tales of the Unreal stories
+--- 21991568
+>>21991558
+how old are you?
+--- 21991571
+>>21991545
+>>21991555
+I did admit to doxxing Ari. It was stupid. I specifically did not post his info on 4chan, but the only reason someone was in the position to do so was because i let them and encouraged that sort of stupidity. 
+
+ The only part of your recap that's bullshit is this mystery second shooter. I really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But recapped this shit is kinda funny. Classic 4chan shit. LA was not "all for" doxxing, he just thought it was hilarious and was in general an enabler. Krake was out but he was always gonna be out, nobody liked anybody there. Both of them, I imagine, would be welcomed back.
+--- 21991574
+>>21991562
+I know who you are AnderSEN you little homosexual rat
+
+No one cares that your address was posted because we all know you did it yourself seriously why are you even trying to insert yourself into this and worsen things? Kys yourself in real life
+--- 21991580
+>>21991571
+Bruh don't concede this shit, just exit the thread and mov eon with your life
+
+Yeah it was a mistake to collect his info but none of it wasn't public and you didn't post shit publicly just 360 degrees out of this thread don't waste your time on AnderSEN and his concern troll spam
+--- 21991581
+>>21991571
+Someone doxxed TRANderson, here’s what he had to say about it
+--- 21991585
+>>21991568
+why do you even care
+--- 21991586
+>>21991581
+no one gives a fuck about you andersen, just fuck off, seriously.
+--- 21991587
+>>21991571
+>The only part of your recap that's bullshit is this mystery second shooter.
+We both know who's being referenced with that. Don't play dumb Rhyme. He had his workplace and name posted in the Message in a Bottle thread.
+>>21991574 Just look at this post which conveniently came 1 minute and 2 seconds after your post.
+--- 21991589
+>>21991585
+cause you said you weren't old, but i say that all women over college age are old hags.
+--- 21991591
+>>21991581
+>the first name came from an email account that was only sent to Krake and Rhyme
+That's pretty fucking damning.
+--- 21991594
+>>21991571
+Who the fuck was Charizzorb? Was that Ari, or was that you too?
+--- 21991596
+>>21991587
+Nigga the only person that remembers a "message in a bottle thread" and knows someone named anderson was doxxed in it is anderson himself nigga do you think you are being sneaky
+--- 21991597
+>>21991580
+No,I'm conceding it because it's what happened lol. It would be unethical to let the other people's work twist up with this shit when I'm at fault and have already been told to fuck off. 
+>>21991581
+You have no reason to believe me but all of this is false. Andersen likes attention and i guess he wants to be a main character in this story. No one was ever interested in him for anything. He never submitted anything to us, you would know if he did because we published 13/16 things submitted to Tales (ratio will improve significantly in later releases, hopefully), and those 3 rejects are all personally known to me. 
+
+This is just a desperate attempt to insert himself in some drama. Guy doesn't really have anything going on so i don't blame him for it. I've just been sort of watching the IP count stall for an hour while new characters pop up ITT.
+--- 21991598
+>>21991594
+I was charrizorb ok? My name is Melville on discord. It was a joke that got out of hand. Let it be history.
+--- 21991602
+>>21991596
+I care that he was doxxed. Especially if it's true that you used an email to do it.
+--- 21991603
+>>21991589
+if this is Melville then you can go fuck yourself I’m not old you’re literally older than I am your double standards are stupid and embarassing and I’m not a whore just leave me alone
+--- 21991606
+>>21991598
+The fuck?
+--- 21991607
+So this guy, who you hated, posted his workplace and full name while you guys were in the middle of doxing another guy? And he did it to hurt you?
+I'm gonna need to see some evidence on that.
+--- 21991611
+Tales of the Unreal volume 2, an unreal CYOA adventure project spearheaded by Ogden Nesmer, Frater Asemlen's second poetry colelction and possibly an as of yet unnamed science-fiction anthology collection will be releasing before this year's end
+
+And one very sad homosexual loser trying to insert himself into a situation that never really involved him isn't going to do anything other than gather additional attention for these projects
+
+See you soon everybody!
+--- 21991612
+>>21991598
+Why did you do that why did you do that why did you fake to be Ari and say he was sending you death threats and make me question my own sanity I told Het I suspected charizzorb was you but he didn’t believe me and he said I was crazy like the death threat and doxxing threat stuff was taking it way too far that was so fucked up of you
+--- 21991613
+>>21991611
+A salud 
+
+Where do i fucking submit tho, seriously? I've already mentioned this upthread. Where do i submit? Tighten the fuck up
+--- 21991616
+>>21991613
+dm F Gardner on discord. he'll get your submission into the right hands.
+--- 21991617
+>>21991607
+They don't have any evidence of it. In fact they said the exact same shit about best of guy five months ago.
+--- 21991618
+>>21991613
+LIterally just join the discord or email us
+--- 21991620
+>>21991616
+Any word on the Gardner magazine?
+--- 21991624
+>>21991618
+Christ, do you want it or not? What's the fucking email? Your discord has a bit of a reputation as im sure you've ascertained?
+--- 21991626
+>>21991623 →
+
+NEW THREAD
+--- 21991629
+>>21991613
+Go to the discord server  if you dare…
+--- 21991630
+>>21991624
+>>21991624
+[email protected]
+--- 21991632
+>>21991626
+kek
+--- 21991637
+>>21991620
+F Gardner's new Press is called "F Gardner Press" and will be launching it's first flagship short story collection, "Tales of the F Gardner Renassiance.
+F Gardner is accepting submissions now and will be paying out 500$ for each accepted short story. the only rule is you must write a story involving F Gardner in some way.
+--- 21991640
+>>21991626
+WOW people are really enjoying discussing the latest Tales stories
+--- 21991642
+>>21991564
+People are mean. Please understand that people will gaslight you and call you crazy just to see how you'll react. I hope you are feeling better and you don't let this drama continue to have a grip on you. Can be tough to forgive people, but I urge you to chalk up his actions to that of an angry man, forgive him, forget him, and move on. Nobody here is mad at you, I'd say 90% of the people here hope you feel better getting this off your chest so you can let this all go.
+--- 21991644
+>>21991642
+hope she sees this bro
+--- 21991654
+>>21991637
+>F Gardner Press
+Where the fuck can I submit? I would start writing today for this!
+--- 21991659
+>>21991654
+writers may kindly sumbit their pieces to [email protected]
+--- 21991666
+>>21991623 →
+>>21991623 →
+>>21991623 →
+>>21991623 →
+>>21991623 →
+
+NEW THREAD
+
+GTFIH
+--- 21991668
+>>21991637
+>F Gardner press
+Frank is too stupid to come up with his own crappy ideas he has to steal from others? Is his reign as board retard finally over??
+--- 21991704
+>>21991642
+I want to forget but I can’t like I’m trying but nothing helps it’s not getting better and I’m so tired of being sad and everyone thinks I’m a stalker and he hates me and I’ll. never love anyone else so now I have to be alone forever or else be dead I’m sorry I wish I could forge
+--- 21991706
+>>21991704
+Get in the new thread hoe!

lit/21985414.txt

@@ -35,3 +35,23 @@ The Jim Norton narration of Ulysses is a work of art worthy of the text
 --- 21988465
 >>21988424
 AI could probably do it in a year or two
+--- 21989597
+>>21988465
+
+A shadow of a true performance, unfortunately.
+--- 21989699
+>>21985618
+kek
+--- 21990177
+>>21985414 (OP)
+Star Wars' Bane trilogy is very well narrated.
+--- 21990383
+>>21987727
+Yeah the fry version is obviously much closer to the source material lol you stupid dork
+--- 21990423
+Invisible man by Ralph Ellison and read by Joe Morton is the best performance of an audiobook I have heard.
+--- 21990903
+George Guidall and William Hootkins are pretty awesome. the source material has to line up with the narrator to make it good tho
+--- 21991194
+>>21985414 (OP)
+Daniel Davis, Moriarty in star trek, did a great job in the Darth plagueis audibook.

lit/21985834.txt

@@ -79,3 +79,125 @@ I hate women so much it’s unreal
 --- 21988878
 >>21985834 (OP)
 I guess, you can do this for non-fiction books like "How to persuade circus performers to give you a free handjob" or "How to rule the world without doctor's notice" but that is it.
+--- 21989290
+>>21988878
+are those real books?
+--- 21989298
+>>21988747
+>[The sky changed again] -- METAMORPHOSIS
+SHUT UPPP SHUT UP SHUT UP IM GOIGN TO KILL UOU SJFUFUCKC SUTPID RETAARD
+--- 21989302
+>>21989290
+Easy with your clown fetish, buddy.
+--- 21989305
+>>21985834 (OP)
+I've seen plenty of scribbling in technical books. The reason is obvious.
+--- 21989316
+>>21989305
+they're boring
+--- 21989414
+neetzsche
+https://haab-digital.klassik-stiftung.de/viewer/image/118058662X/11/
+--- 21989430
+>>21988747
+>immortality
+>metamorphosis
+Also, why does "watched the sky" get two underlines?
+--- 21989454
+>>21985834 (OP)
+i once downloaded a book and the only version available was uploaded by some autist who was trying to "debunk" and argue with the things said in the book by basically writing on the page a rebuttal to every paragraph.
+it made the book borderline incomprehensible and he even added some extra pages for his arguments at the end.
+worst thing is that i kinda got invested in his takes so i read not only the book but his rebuttals as well and all his arguments were ass, i was debunking his debunks out loud as i read them.
+it made for a very bizarre experience.
+--- 21989457
+I prefer to have dedicated journals for the books I read. Keeping them somewhat organized by noting page and paragraph numbers makes looking back upon them in the future far more navigable. Plus, I can greatly expand my thoughts there in a way margins simply don't have the space to contain.
+--- 21989936
+>>21989454
+This is how you wreck brain for fun.
+--- 21989983
+>>21989414
+is that even Latin script?
+--- 21990013
+>>21989454
+What book lol
+--- 21990182
+I have a second-hand copy of The Castle which begins with enthusiastic note-taking from an ESL woman --that abruptly ends some twenty pages in.
+The previous owner went so far as to design a waterpainted bookmark that was neatly sellotaped to the back, with the sentence "YES! I have finished the book on ... SO proud of myself" written on it; the date hadn't been filled in.
+--- 21990215
+>>21988357
+not true
+--- 21990229
+>>21990182
+kek
+--- 21990230
+>>21989414
+"It would like to steal the light from the creator, if it can at all, and live separate and independent from him."
+--- 21990235
+>>21988357
+Not even my generation reads, and with each generation, the literacy goes down.
+My father had 8 bookshelf he wanted me to read, and I done none.
+--- 21990297
+>>21985834 (OP)
+Given the size of the complete works of Aristotle, I'm going to be using a pen to take notes on the pages themselves instead of sticky tabs. It will save me a lot of time whilst still helping me pick out what's important at a glance.
+--- 21990313
+>>21985834 (OP)
+It is actually recommended to take notes in the margins for deepreading in academia. The method looks nothing like any examples in this thread, however.
+--- 21990361
+>>21988747
+Wow, that's a seriously cringe trend, and not surprisingly, many of the books which are the subject of this trend tend to YA fiction being read by grown women and men (occasionally). Very rarely anything of any real substance.
+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z3GeNNXgu4 [Embed]
+--- 21990411
+>>21990361
+is it too early to advocate for total female death? why don't they simply buy some coloring templates? it's literally the same thing
+--- 21990446
+>>21990313
+Im convinced it's all performance. I've gone through every level of academia and note taking is a total waste of time. Either I read something and understand it and remember it, or I dont. I'd really love to know whether anybody else gets anything from notes they can't just think up just-in-time.
+
+The only real purpose for a note I've found is marking something for a citation. And any kind of advanced digestion is better done somewhere else than the margins.
+--- 21990486
+>>21990446
+Really? With philosophy and literature, I almost always have to read texts at least three times to get a good grasp on them. Often more. There, notes are useful to let me return to previous thoughts, questions, points and trains of thought if nothing else.
+--- 21990492
+>>21988860
+>[motherfucker]
+--- 21990496
+>>21988747
+--- 21990576
+I tried doing it for a while but it just makes me feel bad for "damaging" the book
+I tried various ways to go about it but I found the best one to be using bookmark stick ins for longer sections that I don't want to paste and and using a notebook to paste quotes and what I think about specific parts of the book
+doing these little things makes me remember the book better and for longer
+--- 21990621
+>>21985834 (OP)
+I underline things I like. Things that made me think.
+--- 21990630
+>>21987297
+>midwit
+
+The ultimate derogatory term used by pseuds.
+--- 21990644
+>>21988357
+>the moronic obsession with "leaving your mark." 
+No better than graffiti. I hope when I die all traces of me are obliterated from the world and forgotten. Only then will I find peace.
+--- 21990721
+>>21990361
+It's all for show, and I truly hate it.
+--- 21990734
+These exist. why don't people use them?
+--- 21990838
+>>21985834 (OP)
+I never understood the advice some people give that says that to get the most out of a book you have to do shit like this, ofc you can annotate but using a notepad or cards or something else works just as fine? At least don't write it in pen, a pencil works too, i do that.
+Some people seem to take pride in the bad state of their books and will even judge ithers for wanting to keep their books in nice conditions, saying that they "don't look well read"
+--- 21990907
+>>21990486
+No, I mean I'll have to reread something several times, or read it slowly, etc. It's just that note taking doesn't have any impact on that process of understanding. Idk. I've always had trouble with notes.
+--- 21990952
+I do it in my technical books of subjects I like/hobbies, but I would never do it on novels. What is the fucking point?
+--- 21991003
+>>21985834 (OP)
+I just tear out the pages once I'm done reading them, that way I always know up to what part I've already read. Doesn't make much sense to take notes on pages that are going to get torn anyway.
+--- 21991255
+>>21985834 (OP)
+I usually just note to the margin links to other chapters or books that are talking about a similar thing basically making my own hypertexts, besides this highlighting a paragraph laterally at best, cause I don't like to read underlined text.
+--- 21991305
+>>21988747
+Why so many annotations on a chapter that doesn't seem to be that deep?, lmao

lit/21985875.txt

@@ -180,3 +180,47 @@ He would be enslaved and promptly executed if he didn't work to their expectatio
 Ask ChatGPT
 --- 21989028
 If he told me to get a job I'd say fuck you
+--- 21989148
+>>21986147
+> The ai has no record of that particular interaction.
+> It must be then a retard for making conclusions based on his philosophy in general!
+Anon, you've got shit for brains. If you think it's nonsense, then the fault lies with your terrible reading comprehension.
+--- 21989157
+>>21986105
+Incel means misogynist now, chud. Keep up.
+--- 21989160
+>>21987399
+>>21988686
+Socrates was called the wisest because he believed he did not know anything. Declarations like that suppose knowledge, which runs counter to his method. You don't know what you're talking about.
+--- 21989182
+>>21989160
+Method aside, you could show Socrates the wisest, most noble person alive today in the West and he would believe in his heart they are a subhuman who deserves to die.
+--- 21989187
+>>21989160
+filtered
+--- 21989273
+>>21986390
+>To fix yourself you need to gaslight yourself into thinking abstract values and ideas are more important than real life
+As always, 'virtue and wisdom' is cope for people who are mentally anihillated or have achieved all that's there to acheive in life, everyone normal doesn't think about such things nor see value in them. Because such thoughts are not productive or conducive to anything worthwhile.
+
+Only a mentally ill person would need to keep themselves in delusion of abstraction that allows them to maintain self-worth and value, in spite of reality. Ultimate cope, a refuge for those who have nothing else. No wonder so many people hate philosophy, it's full of crab people keeping other crabs in the bucket, running away from reality as fast it's possible, hoping it will never catch them. But it always does, and then it's over.
+--- 21989310
+>>21989187
+You should actually read Socrates if you don't want to be caught pretending.
+--- 21989364
+>>21985875 (OP)
+He would start asking what is more important for you, passing through the basic needs and going to some ways of attaining stability, until you reach the conclusion that the metaphysical reality of permanence is the ideal and that It can be pursued even without a job, making those who live in permanent peace your real goal.
+>but you still need a job
+--- 21989395
+>>21985879
+Except he wasn't, retarded zoomer.
+--- 21989867
+>>21989310
+I have read all of Socrates's known surviving writings
+--- 21990286
+>>21985875 (OP)
+>How would Socrates respond
+"Plato! Xenophon! HELP!!! A FUCKING BARBARIAN!!!"
+--- 21991791
+>>21985875 (OP)
+>Just be urself

lit/21986135.txt

@@ -117,3 +117,108 @@ reddit
 Who hurt you?
 --- 21988034
 >without strength, you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself.
+--- 21989190
+There are but they don't apply the principles. I do for strength and women, materialism does not interest me and i prefer a cool mind.
+--- 21989194
+>>21987737
+If might makes right, then what is it that might wants?
+--- 21989279
+>>21986135 (OP)
+Even better: there are people successfully applying this principle everywhere in the world right now.
+
+'Might makes right' isn't a philosophical stance, it's a statement of fact. Philosophy and politics concern themselves with whom (or what principles) to give might to.
+--- 21989285
+>>21989279
+You're an idiot.
+--- 21989303
+>>21989285
+How is that anon an idiot?
+Even the most moral and gentle philosophy is a person imposing their will through their ideas on you.
+--- 21989324
+>>21989285
+NTA but you only say that because you're too scared to realize that might is already there to be grabbed by whoever wants it and doesn't require any philosophy to make it "right". Might is might, that's all you can say, the rest is just some sort of masochistic whining.
+--- 21989326
+>>21989303
+Because that doesn't mean they're right. The subject is about metaethics not whether you can enforce them.
+
+>>21989324
+You're still an idiot who doesn't understand basic sentences.
+--- 21989328
+>>21986218
+>Might makes right as a philosophy is a dead end though.
+Hello. I am your dead end. Hope we don't meet.
+--- 21989367
+>>21989326
+You're just too stupid to think about anything critically and hence can't see how void of meaning the sentence "might is right" is, happily parroting received wisdom and calling anyone who doesn't join in "an idiot". Since you have no talent for thought, you should refrain from reading from this day onwards, with this moment as the humiliating memory of revealing your eternal midwittery always by your side to deter you.
+--- 21989393
+>>21989328
+>anon pull up a gun and shoots you
+heh
+--- 21989400
+>>21989367
+are you really this anal hurt about getting called out?
+k
+--- 21989437
+>>21989400
+Confident idiots are the bane of my existence. You should never have any confidence in yourself.
+--- 21989441
+>>21989437
+just leave then loser
+--- 21989443
+>>21986135 (OP)
+Grug tier philosophy. No one on this board that believes it has might anyway
+--- 21989444
+>hume's guillotine blocks your path
+--- 21989483
+>>21986782
+Well I just disagree to be contrarian as usual
+--- 21989486
+>>21987397
+Did you get raped by an American or something?
+--- 21989629
+>>21987443
+This. Especially the Athenian speeches like the Melian dialogue.
+--- 21989845
+>>21986135 (OP)
+Might isn't right. Might just is. You need it to do anything. It doesn't determine Good or Evil, but it stands on a higher level than either. Neither being a Good man or an Evil man will shield you from a person (or group of people) of greater Might than you. And in any case any truly Good or Evil acts will also require you to have a higher level of Might than whoever you're acting on. 
+
+So instead of saying "Might is Right", just say "Might Makes".
+--- 21989864
+>>21989845
+You say that like it's profound insight and not just you missing the point of the question.
+Really? I need to have might to act out my ethics? Thanks for the insight genius.
+--- 21989868
+>>21989864
+I'm saying this because you're a retard if you think any deeper on it. That's all there is to the subject. The question is retarded.
+--- 21990078
+>>21986135 (OP)
+Since the statement is false, there can never be any “good” philosophers who ascribe to it. Think before posting, please.
+--- 21991133
+>>21986135 (OP)
+In the first place morals aren't real and there is no such thing as good or evil, so "Might makes Right" is retarded.
+--- 21991416
+>>21986135 (OP)
+Ragnar Redbeard (obviously a pseudonym) and author of might is right.
+Probably the most direct book on the topic, yet is poetic and philosophical at times.
+--- 21991521
+>>21986135 (OP)
+Not really
+
+>Nietzsche
+schizophrenic incel
+>Evola
+larpagan
+>Rand
+hypocritical welfare queen
+--- 21991570
+>>21986135 (OP)
+>'Rights I will permit thee to call everywhere "correctly-articulated mights." A dreadful business to articulate correctly!
+- Chartism
+
+>Divine right, take it on the great scale, is found to mean divine might withal!
+- On Heroes, Hero Worship and the Heroic in History
+
+Carlyle always denied that he confused ‘‘might’’ with ‘‘right.’’ In the margins of a German biography of himself that he received in July 1866 he wrote, ‘‘What floods of nonsense have been and are spoken & thought (what they call thinking) about this poor maxim of Carlyle’s! C. had discovered for himself, not without a satisfaction of religious kind, that no man who is not in the right, were he even a Napoleon I at the head of armed Europe, has any real might whatever, but will at last be found mightless, and to have done, or settled as a fixity, nothing at all, except precisely so far as he was not in the wrong. Abolition and erosion awaits all ‘doings’ of his, except just what part of them was right’’ (Clubbe 98–99).
+--- 21991635
+>>21986154
+This. "Might makes right" believers, by definition, don't care about trying to justify their beliefs, they just cares about being stronger than people who disagree.

lit/21986433.txt

@@ -152,3 +152,125 @@ Stopped reading right there nigger. Imagine not owning ur own business and worki
 >>21986446
 >>21988886
 Holy shit, you faggots are beyond humourless. Your funny looking squiggle looks like our good old squiggle so we're going to use it as a stand in instead of writing in your gibberish nonsensical moon-speak. Fucking hell, even the Krauts got this one.
+--- 21989206
+>>21986433 (OP)
+kino poster
+--- 21989429
+>>21986433 (OP)
+--- 21989550
+>>21986433 (OP)
+>spreading the wealth 
+Nigger I would be living like a king if comuniggers didn’t take my family’s wealth, now I’m stuck in a ugly grey apartment for the rest of eternity
+--- 21989640
+>>21986433 (OP)
+Probably all of the books written by Emperor-President Xi, there are lots of them; probably also a comprehensive account of Cubas healthcare system also.
+--- 21989746
+>>21987733
+thank you pauly D(ickblastt)
+--- 21989778
+>>21989069
+You don’t even have your own alphabet and use the Latin one like a total nigger. Must suck to not have Byzantines come up with an alphabet that suits your language’s phonetics.
+t. ruskie
+--- 21990092
+>>21986433 (OP)
+Non ironically
+--- 21990191
+>>21986433 (OP)
+Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth by Ludwig von Mises
+--- 21990243
+The Industrial Revolution and its Consequences by Theodore John Kaczynski
+--- 21990264
+>>21986433 (OP)
+People that cover Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt school. Modern socialism is largely also critical theory which comes from the same crowd.
+--- 21990270
+>>21990243
+He cites “leftists” of the hippie sort, the woke liberals and AOC/Bernie cücks of today. So I guess this is what OP is asking, but man, Macron, Labour, DSA and Bernie Sanders are not socialists for trying, or pretending, to reform capitalist inadequacies
+--- 21990284
+>>21990270
+Well the DSA objectively is and Labour used to be. Bernie wants the Nordic model so he's a social democrat. Macron is radically pro-capitalism.
+--- 21990852
+Alexander Kojève
+
+Kojin Karatani
+
+Boris Groys.
+--- 21990937
+>>21986523
+Increased worker protection, higher spending power, lower taxes and a large amount of the plundering and appropriation in the east and against Jews was done to ensure normal living standards for the normal people during the war. Overall they were pretty fine
+--- 21990968
+>>21986533
+>>21990937
+
+https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/work-in-nazi-germany/
+
+The first thing Nazis did in power was ban unions, forbade the change in employment and start privatizations. Do you incels ever do anything but lie on the internet for a murderous ideology and you looser failed painter an hero? It has litteraly become a running joke that you losers identify with a loser ideology.
+--- 21991159
+>>21990968
+>ban unions
+and make one big goverment one, so goverment ran the unions just like in the USSR. It even was the biggest organization in the reich
+>forbade the change in employment
+forbade it to the extend you needed approval. That same system also made it basically impossible to fire someone without approval.
+>start privatizations
+no they didn't. they nationalized a whole lot and everything that was ''privatized'' was run by people who were loyal to and directly listened to the state. Those ''private'' entities could even spend their profit however the liked, that was also regulated by the government
+
+do you read anything besides heavily biased sites and snippets, like an actual book?
+--- 21991175
+>>21986433 (OP)
+If you want to understand socialists, you have to get to the root of their views: Rousseau's On the Origins of Inequality and intellectual debates in France throughout the revolutionary period. A key debate in political philosophy in the era revolved around the nature of property, where did this sense of ownership over things emerge? Liberals, like Locke, whom socialists are themselves indebted to, believed that the state, in part, existed to protect private property, including the human individual's right of ownership over his own body and person. All left wing ideologies express varying levels of hostility and skepticism towards private property, from outright abolitionism (most anarchists, classic Marxists and socialists) to some kind of accomodation with it (modern Chinese Marxists, moderate socialists). Once you've dealt with Rousseau, move on to Proudhoun and Marx. The key books here is Proudhoun's What is Property? and Marx's Communist Manifesto. Capital is a very hefty tome on economics so unless your already into that I don't recommend reading it straight away, instead try the Economic and Political Manuscripts of 1844. These set out Marx's early outlook and views, especially his theories of alienation and his first attempts at an economic criticism of capitalism. 
+
+Although Marx had provided a "scientific" critique of capitalism, he didn't really point out where to go from there. The German social democrats pursued a policy of parlimentary reformism, which you can read about in their Erfurt Program, a document which outlines their goals and policies. Against them was Lenin, who advocated an authoritarian party of professional revolutionaries to overthrow the government in a violent revolution which he outlines in his book State and Revolution. Against Lenin was Pyotr Kropotkin, the Russian anarchist-communist and his book Conquest of Bread which lays out his vision of a dencentralized, stateless society without any externally imposed hierarchies. This book would be an influence on the Occupy protests if your old enough to remember those. Another really important book is Lenin's Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism. Why do leftists harp on about harp on about imperialism? Because of this book. 
+
+All of these books are the defining works of the leftist canon which socialists of all stripes constantly come back to and revisit. There really aren't any major works that transformed and shaped leftism beyond this point, the central themes and concepts these books brought up are constantly passed down, recycled and reinterpeted. Leftists tend to be religiously dogmatic, constantly referring back to these books to settle ongoing debates on interpret the present. They haven't produced anything major since really.
+--- 21991179
+>>21990968
+>lets pretend the Nazis weren't successful at anything and Hitler was just a failed painter
+Selectively educated people like you are the reason they might come back.
+--- 21991200
+>>21991175
+>Capital is a very hefty tome on economics so unless your already into that I don't recommend reading it straight away
+There's a shortcut.
+--- 21991790
+fuk anarchiss
+--- 21991843
+I love being a right wing socialist so much bros. Ordinary conservatives get angry that you're too radical and want an integral state instead of yet another rehash of libertarianism, and that you want to create a new aristocracy of warrior-monks instead of trying to resurrect some old oligarchic pseudo-aristocracy that has been dead for centuries anyway. Left-wingers get angry at you for not going to Neoliberal University for 18 years like them to study some failed commune or subvariant of Trotskyism that requires everybody to become genderless nymphoids and free your orgones first. You're allowed to just appeal directly to the workers and the middle class, with appeals that actually make sense, like family, fatherland, culture, religion, race, NOT "free market" cringe pushed by grifter foreigners whose friends are all bankers and Silicon Valley homos. You don't have to hem and haw about live and let live with trannies and schizophrenic hobos pissing on themselves and shooting up next to people's kids. 
+
+You don't have to resort to implausible wishful thinking like "it's just more RATIONAL for us all to join one big union and be best friends! It'll happen eventually! The whole world will unite in universal post-religious post-national post-gender sisterhood any day now!" You can just say "Your nation is being poisoned from within, so you should probably smash the monsters responsible for it. You can rely on your fellow evil-smashers in the next country over, because they love their country as much as you love yours, and everybody hates monsters." You don't have to hate anything good and beautiful, or love anything ugly and evil. You don't have to train yourself to be a snarky little bitch online and performatively scoff at things that are beautiful, like classical architecture or the sweet religiosity of grannies. 
+
+Everything hangs together, everything makes sense, there's no forcing anything or reeducating yourself to believe counterintuitive things through force of samokritika. Instead, more of an integralist, or fascist, or distributist, or national socialist or national syndicalist you get, the more everything makes sense, the more all the bad ugly things reveal themselves to be working together and the good beautiful things reveal themselves to be interconnected. It's a progressive opening of the eyes instead of a twisting of the will. Trannies are all pedophiles? And the bankers all support the trannies? And companies that want to sell you poisonous addictive candy juice and spread pornography everywhere are all interwoven with the bankers?? Huh! Interesting coincidences! Conversely, I can appreciate classical forms and quaint premodern aesthetics without feeling like I'm being "naive?" I can revere nature, and agrarian hardiness, and good leadership, and manly courage, and the beauty of family and motherhood, without constantly being attacked for being a naive old-fashioned square? Wow! 
+
+Become a right wing socialist today!
+--- 21991863
+>>21986446
+literally who cares
+--- 21992079
+>>21991843
+Sounds reasonable
+--- 21992357
+>>21991843
+*gets overthrown in a color revolution and sees the nation spiral into poverty*
+--- 21992476
+>>21986433 (OP)
+Pic related helps truly understand socialism.
+--- 21992610
+>>21991843
+>Everything hangs together, everything makes sense, there's no forcing anything or reeducating yourself to believe counterintuitive things through force of samokritika.
+"Blah blah blah I don't want to force myself to do anything or challenge myself in any way or grapple with real-existing contradictions."
+
+>>21988862
+>The progress-spiral has eclipsed the dialectic from ever resolving.
+Capitalism has been able to survive its cycles of financial crises because of developments in social productivity (new tech) and the transference of internal contradictions into the external world, such as colonization, the opening of new markets, wars and conflicts. But developments in artificial intelligence, robots, big data, quantum computing, controllable nuclear fusion and other techs create some dilemmas.
+
+You already hear the Americans complaining about millions of their jobs going to China. Soon or later you will be hearing them crying about A.I. and robots ripping them off. You can have a trade war with the Chinese workers, but then, who will be your target? The answer will be your own home, your church, your community, your city and your state. You will have to destroy everything that gets in your way unless the government is willing to let the socialists take over.
+--- 21992672
+>>21986495
+Praxis and Theory necessitate each other, kys
+--- 21992678
+feminism ruined marxism forever
+--- 21992787
+>>21991175
+
+All of what you cited is utopian socialism, which is anti-Marxist. Even Marx's 1844 critique of the Gotha Program falls into it sometimes, even though thats what he critiques. Marx conceived scientiffic socialism as a self-critical and dilaectical "total logic", that is a logic that is contradictory and understands social relations beyond "goals, or history of ideas". You might want to check out Lenin's works because that had a more profound effect on socialist startegy than anything Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bakunin, or even what Marx & Engels wrote on it. Lenin turned a theory into an actual political strategy and therefore transformed a european idea into a global idea for socialists to grab political power. 
+
+Start here:
+
+https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1968/lenin-philosophy.htm

lit/21986527.txt

@@ -41,3 +41,95 @@ favorite lagerkvist?
 --- 21988251
 >>21986527 (OP)
 Per Anders Fogelström and his city series is the peak of Swedish literature. The wonderful adventures of Nils reaches the highest peak of comfiness, since I'm assuming you're Swedish you should read it for its cultural importance alone. For a modern Swedish author, Tranströmer is the best of course. Though Gustaf Fröding is still a much better poet.
+--- 21989195
+>>21986847
+inte en chans brorsan
+--- 21989403
+>>21988251
+>Per Anders Fogelström and his city series is the peak of Swedish literature
+Aw hell yeah, my nig nog.
+--- 21989861
+>>21989195
+Så vilken skulle du säga det är då?
+--- 21989878
+>>21986527 (OP)
+Nikanor Teratologen, Sven Deblanc, Stig Larsson, Strindberg, Pär Lagerkvist, Vilhelm Ekelund, Stagnelius, Sara Lidman, Lars Norén, Stig Dagerman and Mirja Unge are all good Swedish authors. Phoneposting right now but if anyone got any questions I'd gladly answer them when I get home from work.
+--- 21989889
+>>21986527 (OP)
+The Long Ships
+--- 21990076
+>>21987132
+Josef Julius Wecksell was better playwright than Strindberg. Prove me wrong. Protip: You can't, because none of you have read Wecksell.
+--- 21990081
+how hard is it to learn swedish
+my grandma was swedish so it's probably the next one on my list to learn after french
+I assume it's not too hard for an anglo. id it harder than danish and norwegian? I've heard that norwegian is the easiest language for an anglo to learn
+--- 21990116
+>>21990081
+It's supposed to be pretty easy for English speakers to learn, Norwegian is basically the same language just a bit uglier. Danish is substantially harder,
+>Yet surprisingly, Danish children have trouble learning their mother tongue. Compared to Norwegian children, who are learning a very similar language, Danish kids on average know 30% fewer words at 15 months and take nearly two years longer to learn the past tense.
+Their own kids can't even learn their weird language
+--- 21990130
+>>21989861
+Mina Drömmars stad utan tvekan.
+--- 21990137
+>>21987132
+Norway also has Ibsen and undset. Denmark is completely carried by Kierkegaard.
+--- 21990268
+Ayo don't sleep on my main man Fritiof Nilsson Piraten
+--- 21990294
+>>21986527 (OP)
+Most popular Duolingo language in sweden is literally swedish. If I were you I would choose to be interested in a culture that will still exist in 40 years.
+--- 21990516
+>>21990268
+>Here lie the remains of a man who had a habit of putting everything off until tomorrow. He bettered himself at the last and finally died on <whatever date it was>
+Certainly has the best gravestone I've ever seen.
+--- 21990587
+>>21987132
+Ibsens legacy mogs Strindberg in the normiesphere
+--- 21990619
+>>21990130
+Av vilka anledningar?
+--- 21990637
+>>21990130
+I salen på Alastalo moggar båda.
+--- 21990642
+>>21990130
+Falupillra mig på Fogelström
+--- 21990647
+>>21986527 (OP)
+Strindberg is wonderful. 
+
+>>21987208
+The Red Room is my favorite novel of his, and showcases many of his greatest qualities. I would advise you start there. His plays are fine as well, some of them rather avant-garde even today, but I prefer him as a novelist. His work "Inferno" is more experimental, and should be saved for later - it is a first-person account of his Swedenborgian psychotic break and is extremely fascinating, but stylistically challenging, and is best read on the background of his more sane artistic production.
+
+>>21987132
+NYRB has started translating a few danish writers that very much deserve it, with Havoc by Tom Kristensen and Lucky-Per by Pontoppidan. But I agree about this board and Strindberg, they would really love it. He has an ascerbic wit and a Schopenhauerian/Nietzschean outlook that would really tickle a lot of fancies here. Plus, he hates women so much it's unreal. That lovable old curmudgeon.
+
+>>21990137
+Not really, no. Apart from Kristensen and Pontoppidan, someone like Karen Blixen is also a marvellous novelist and story-teller and universally acclaimed. And honestly, H.C. Andersen as well, who is probably more universally beloved and known than even Kierkegaard, if not by his own work, then by one of the many rip-offs that Disney has made of him. Apart from that, there are several world-class danish authors that aren't really translated - Villy Sørensen, Herman Bang and Johannes V. Jensen and Martin Andersen Nexø, to name just a few. Many of these were lauded by their more well-known contemporaries as well,
+--- 21990662
+>>21990587
+Of course, but no one should care about the normiesphere.
+
+Much apropos the normiesphere, my absolute favorite anecdote concerning Ibsen is when he sold the production rights of A Doll's House to the germans, who found it to be a too shocking impropriety for Nora to leave in the end, so they rewrote it so it ends with her looking at her children, and then deciding to shut up and be a good servile wife and stay instead. This rewriting to suit the tastes of bourgeois german normies was much to Ibsen's seething chagrin, but he needed the money, so he became a sell-out and allowed it.
+--- 21990678
+>>21990647
+Good to hear the Danes are getting some attention with NYRB, anon. Good take on Strindberg too; they really would love him if they gave him a shot. Glad to see someone else appreciate Scandinavian literature as a whole rather than participate in the monkey v. monkey nonsense that tends to break out in these threads.
+--- 21991062
+Svarta segel by Strindberg is essential. Dabbing on the "cultural elite" of Sweden so hard that they never made an recovery. Äldreomsorgen i övre kågedalen by Nikanor Teratologen is also essential but is a lot better in original Swedish than translated.
+--- 21991406
+>>21990662
+>Of course, but no one should care about the normiesphere.
+I only mentioned it since you said its the case only on /lit/. Strindberg is probably the worst example you could chose in that regard when Ibsen exists.
+
+>This rewriting to suit the tastes of bourgeois german normies was much to Ibsen's seething chagrin, but he needed the money, so he became a sell-out and allowed it.
+Only partly true, while he did seethe intensely at that version ever being performed (it was performed les than ten times and only one single time after ww2) he made the shortest possible rewrite to stop the germans from altering his play completely, as they had the legal right to do since nordic copyright did not protect the integrity of their plays in Germany. His play was restored in Berlin after protests from the public later in the same year of the alterative performances.
+But lets just say you didnt know that even after knowing about it at all, svartsjuka bror
+--- 21991450
+>>21991062
+Anon means Svarta Fanor.
+--- 21992070
+>>21990619
+>>21990642
+Skulle behöva skriva en uppsats för att förklara hur bra denna bok är. Gör dig själv en tjänst: läs boken själv.

lit/21986870.txt

@@ -480,3 +480,658 @@ is it really a LARP if this is all online?
 --- 21989035
 >>21989026
 I dont like technology
+--- 21989164
+>>21986870 (OP)
+>tfw no Ms. Certain
+What are these based off of I'm retarded.
+--- 21989170
+>>21988910
+Fewer.
+--- 21989188
+So if my intended primary audience is young adult males, am I just better off self-publishing/publishing on RR? After discovering the shitshow that is modern YA and how exclusionary it is toward male protagonists, I was going to try my hand at the adult demographic, but most of my characters are teenagers and aging them up to adulthood would fuck up too many things. I know there are adult series where the protagonist is or at least starts out as a teenager, though with women buying 80% of novels and boys barely reading, it seems like a male dominated series is an increasingly hard sell.
+--- 21989196
+>>21989188
+You don't actually need a female POV to attract female audiences, see Harry Potter. However, it is true that modern publishing is cringe and gay, you are unironically better off self-publishing unless you can get an in with some off-the-reservation publishing house.
+--- 21989227
+>>21985177 →
+For the record, I really like language jokes so I hope the project goes well for you anon.
+--- 21989524
+Would you count forum roleplaying as writing? It's about the only writing I do nowadays.
+--- 21989600
+I love reading, but sometimes when I'm reading something that is really fantastic, I feel like shit knowing I'll never have one tenth the talent or success of the author.
+--- 21989622
+>>21988502
+The shelf that it goes onto and style expectations in the reader who finds it. Litfic has less tropes usually but there are certainly things people expect, it's harder to pin down.
+--- 21989647
+>>21988793
+Thank you FSF anon. This season is probably the strongest writing I have ever felt. I have a lot of room to improve but I had some kind of epiphany last month where those big themes suddenly made way more sense. There were times when I was reluctant to write because I felt I was talking about something I didnt understand, yet I was trying to be honest about what I did. And now that I feel I'm beginning to grasp why I cared so much, I am so glad I trusted myself that my story was worth it. Less and less I find myself looking at a page and not knowing what comes next, now my characters know what they are doing.
+--- 21989663
+>>21988912
+in the moment, when your pen is hesitating in the middle of the sentence because you simply can't word something the way you want, or cant remember the word you're looking for, just shake yourself loose and put *something* down and move on. That's literally it - the number of works that have stopped mid-writing because people could not just put anything down on the page and save that problem for a later editing stage is immense. Trust me, you'll be in a much better position to tackle it during editing than during drafting, and you won't have any fucking work to edit if you don't just push through the drafting stage to begin with. 
+
+Any time you hit that wall just find an acceptable shitty placeholder that will allow you to move on. You will have immense output after incorporating this into your process.
+--- 21989676
+>>21988912
+I used to get really bad. The important thing is to tell the story that you feel at the moment and then revise later. You cant edit a blank page. Even if the writing is bad, you learn something vary valuable about the story you want to tell. I think of it like an iterative process or scientific experiment. An experiment is based on literature and hypothesis in the same way our books are based on stories of the past and our own feelings. Surprisingly often, a research does an experiment that fails. But if he understands why it failed, his next experiment will have a more informed design that may succeed. And if you disprove your hypothesis, it does not mean you were wrong, it means you have learned. So whenever you are afraid to write something, feel free to write it anyways so you can begin to articulate how you feel about an actual story than hurt yourself imagining that you will never write one.
+--- 21989687
+>>21989663
+Seconding that writing and moving on. It's good to focus on that parts you find most compelling first, not all the boring parts inbetween. Once you are certain of those things you must write about, then it will later be more clear what happens in the rest of the story.
+--- 21989749
+>>21988115
+FortySixtyFour here. I do live in a trailer, and it's a shitty 40+ year old one that's not really fit to live in. That said...
+
+Making a living off of your writing can have less to do with making more money and more to do with spending less money.
+
+The crux of the problem for most writers I think is that they don't have time or energy to focus on their writing, because they have to work full time jobs or several part time jobs to survive. That's just how life is.
+
+In my case, to attempt to live off of my Patreon income I left my full time job working the hot knife at a production plant, left my decent-ish apartment, got rid of my phone and car and moved into the sketchy trailer park in town where rent was dirt cheap.
+
+The mobile home was free (technically, just had to pay some $2.7k back taxes owed on it), lot rent was $250/month or so when I first moved here, has gone up some since. Power runs as low as $50/month and as high as $250 in the real cold months of winter because electric heat here. Internet is a consistent $75 or so. My first couple years I was only paying half of those because my gf and I were splitting the bills.
+
+Is it a great place to live? Fuck no. But I was able to devote way more time towards writing and it saves me a ton of money. I have fair confidence in being able to afford a home in the next few years if I publish my other book series to KU.
+--- 21989752
+>>21989663
+This. I literally write (THING HAPPENS) or (SAYS SOMETHING) in parentheses when the words won't come and revisit it later. Sometimes I even do this with entire paragraphs. 2/3 times I fill it in when I return to it, and the other 1/3 of the time it turns out whatever I was going to write didn't need to exist in the first place.
+--- 21989760
+>>21989524
+where do you rp? im gonna start doing it on aurorastation, an ss13 server, but beyond that the internet seems devoid of anything worthwhile
+--- 21989782
+is anybody else doing that notebook challenge some anon planned last week? i missed yesterday due to stuff, but am back on it today. not sure if ill complete the whole book in time (~80 pages) but i fully intend to, maybe the pace will pick up after a solid few days without forgetting to do so.
+--- 21989795
+Remember to show and not tell.
+--- 21989800
+>>21988985
+It's called Sci-Fi Shorts. They do flash fiction under a 1000 words that has some scifi element to it.
+--- 21989820
+anons, how many words are in your work's longest sentence?
+--- 21989833
+>>21989795
+>Writing all that nonsense
+>Purple as shit
+>Bible is brief and to the point 
+>Bible's line is attention getting
+>Not exhausting to read
+That redditor failed
+--- 21989860
+>>21989820
+70 words. Two commas.
+--- 21989933
+>>21989782
+Is the challenge supposed to be for May? I forgot about it but wrote some stuff on my notes app every day, so maybe I'll transpose it and join late.
+--- 21989961
+>>21989933
+>Is the challenge supposed to be for May?
+yes it is.
+i highly recommend joining in.
+the best part is, its almost entirely just for yourself and your own benefit, you don't have to play some retarded social media 'look at me' nonsense. i only brought it up to see if any others actually are doing it.
+oh and, it cannot be stressed enough how you must do it every day, even if its only a page. its the habit-building that will carry you far, my friend.
+--- 21990036
+>>21989961
+Thanks anon. I happen to have a blank notebook in front of me right now. I'm joining.
+--- 21990042
+Not even RoyalRoad was safe, Anon typed on 4chan's /lit/, a blue board. It's filled with the same writing style as YA: declarative sentences, minority main character, ordinary language. He cringed at the soulless prose and the terrible art.
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/65629/the-game-at-carousel-a-horror-movie-litrpg
+--- 21990089
+What's a good crazy direction I could take this in? MC's sperm is special because it isn't affected by radiation and he potentially could save humanity but he's the ultimate coomer
+--- 21990370
+>>21989749
+No wonder you can connect so well with your readers, your one of them.
+--- 21990393
+>>21986870 (OP)
+ms pedo desu
+--- 21990399
+>>21989749
+living the dream and don't let anyone tell you different. happy for you
+--- 21990415
+>>21986945
+You can link the story and the archive
+--- 21990521
+>>21989663
+Yep, I wrote a chapter, though about scrapping the entire thing but I rode it out anyway and by adding the chapter that came after that I liked the chapter before it enough that I didn't end up rewriting the whole thing.
+--- 21990532
+>>21989749
+What do you do with retards commenting on your stuff like pic related? You just ignored them, but what if there's too many?
+--- 21990554
+>>21990532
+lashing out at retards will never be productive. the most you should ever say is: thank you for the feedback
+--- 21990568
+>>21989622
+How does one know if they wrote litfic or genrefic
+--- 21990583
+>>21989749
+so, what? should i start writing harem erotica on royalroad? can i quit my job if i do it?
+--- 21990601
+>>21990532
+>The instant she is no longer fat everyone likes her and wants to be her friend
+I can see why this basic truth would make fatties seethe
+--- 21990627
+>>21990583
+erotica doesn't do great on rr. if you feel like writing it to make money you'd be much better off tailoring it to appeal to women (more domination) and self pubbing on amazon.
+--- 21990628
+>>21990601
+Fat fucks who piss and moan about having to stop being fat fucks piss me off. My spine got fucked up going on 8 years ago now, and I've gained about 30 pounds, going from 200 to hovering between 220 and 230 at 6'1. I get out of bed for probably an hour in total every day because past that I get spasms and my legs will just give out. If I can maintain even a relatively healthy weight, then they can drop some pounds and stop acting oppressed for their own choices.
+I wish I could work out again, but I can't, these people have the chance to get better and simply refuse to do so.
+DRINK SOME FUCKING WATER AND STOP EATING SNACKS.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0oDJDHmPhY [Embed]
+--- 21990664
+You did write your 2000 daily words today, right /wg/?
+--- 21990689
+>>21990568
+Ask an alpha reader what they would shelve it as. Also consider the inspiration for the subject and style may be a strong indicator of what you are imitating.
+--- 21990696
+>>21990664
+its too much
+--- 21990699
+>>21990696
+ngmi
+--- 21990704
+>>21990699
+I will though
+--- 21990705
+>>21990664
+I wrote 2000 words in a short story but 0 in my novel, so I have to get back to work after work.
+--- 21990755
+>>21987995
+>Garcia marques would be if he used a thousand Colombia-specific terms in narration?
+
+Actually Cien Años is notorious for exactly that. even Colombians say it's hard because it's in Costeño, the coastal dialect
+
+But of course once translated into English, you're not going to notice
+--- 21990759
+>>21990664
+3500 words, which slowed down from my average of 4250 words this week.
+--- 21990786
+>>21989752
+
+same here. there's no excuse for writer's block. you have to keep moving.
+--- 21990965
+>>21986952
+Imagine If Camus wrote porn
+> I took off my clothes
+> Or did she?
+> I'm not sure
+> We had sex
+> I had a cigarette and stayed in for the day
+> Boss called
+> I'm not coming, I said.
+--- 21990979
+>>21986870 (OP)
+Does anyone else have the problem of letting what they're currently reading influence their prose. I just finished the novella I was writing, and going back to edit, I feel like I can pinpoint exactly in the novella when I was reading Steinbeck, Austen, Orwell, etc.
+--- 21990989
+>>21990979
+I don't have this problem because I don't consider it a problem.
+As long as it still reads well a little heterogeneity is fine by me.
+--- 21991019
+>>21990979
+No I have no problem with it. I edit to make my style more consistent, but I love to steal, challenge or develop statements from other writers all the time.
+--- 21991026
+any of you tried trad publishing?
+--- 21991027
+>>21990979
+yeah, it happens, but it just means you're absorbing what you're reading and it's helping you improve
+you just need to pave over any awkwardness in editing
+if you're autistic enough, you can make a style guide
+--- 21991061
+>ok time to write
+>suddenly become drowsy
+--- 21991067
+>>21991061
+why the fuck this so real. And then I sleep for hours and when I wake it's way too late to get started now
+--- 21991071
+Why does the nig nog?
+--- 21991073
+Is it possible for people to be friends and not want to fuck or is that unrealistic?
+--- 21991078
+>>21991073
+I have several friends that I do not want to fuck
+--- 21991094
+>>21991026
+I will when I'm done writing a novel. I have a pretty decent professional life so I think that may give me a decent shot besides having money to polish my manuscript before I pitch it. I already know agents and screenwriters second hand, didnt go to school for writing either. I'll finish the book one way or the other.
+--- 21991110
+>>21991078
+Even ones of the opposite sex (or same sex if you’re a faggot)?
+--- 21991112
+>>21991110
+Yeah
+--- 21991122
+>>21991073
+its possible but most people (men) won't buy it
+--- 21991142
+>>21989800
+--- 21991157
+>>21986870 (OP)
+I'm having some trouble getting this description of a refinery right and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on it.
+--- 21991164
+>>21988717
+Congrats bro! Huge accomplishment!
+--- 21991174
+>>21991157
+too many metaphors
+try rewriting the paragraph without any metaphors at all and observing the effect
+then mix the two effects so you can provide better concrete detail and flourish with a metaphor or two to bring it home
+--- 21991180
+>>21991157
+>workshop like hell
+>doesn't use Hell imagery
+Also you did that thing I see and hate in my own writing of X but actually Y. Is it pitch black or is it blinding beams of light? It's a contradiction. It's so retarded to backpedal like that.
+--- 21991183
+>my RR story has a 20% retention rate from chapter 1 to chapter 2.
+
+Guess I know where it's going wrong
+--- 21991197
+>>21991183
+lol that's impressively bad, anon. I assume you have to be vastly misrepresenting what your story is in your summary for it to be that low
+--- 21991268
+>>21991197
+No clue no clue at all
+--- 21991385
+>>21991268
+Maybe someone here can help me out. I'm at a complete loss. Maybe it's far too generic and chapter 1 should be place elsewhere? I don't know . Or it's just so shit it's better to delete it.
+
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67568/a-knight-of-valora-serenity/chapter/1190010/chapter-1-the-knights-of-valora
+--- 21991413
+>>21991385
+I remember you posting this. I think the insane drop off rate is from anons clicking it with no real intent to read the story. So it skewed the stats from what's typical (40-65%ish range)
+--- 21991424
+>>21991413
+Possible, still, there can't be that many anons here curious enough to click it to skew it that badly. I still think there's something horribly wrong with it. 
+
+>300 clicks on chapter 1
+>70 for chapter 2.
+--- 21991432
+>>21991385
+no lit-rpg or cultivation
+--- 21991437
+>>21991385
+To be honest, it isn't great but it is definitely salvageable. I think there's a slight typo in your second sentence.
+>She spent grueling years of training, exams, and other rigorous tests
+This just doesn't make sense to me, maybe rewrite it as
+>She spent years suffering through grueling training, countless exams, and a mountain of other rigorous tests in preparation to become a defender of peace and an elite member of the citizenry. Ten years of hard work did not prime her for the monumental task that befell her, filing and sending away mounds of inglorious paperwork.
+Also, you don't need the word "Inglourious" there, it's paperwork, it's rarely ever glorious. I noticed with some other lines as well that you probably can cut quite a few descriptive words that the reader can assume. There's also a pattern I noticed of repeating uncommon words. You have "pastry" and "pastries" in back-to-back sentences, and you don't really need both there. Maybe drop one of them. In the dialogue scene, one of your tags has the protagonist taking bites of their food, and you explain it's her breakfast a second time, again, not needed since you already mentioned that. If you haven't tried already, I suggest reading it out loud or putting it through google translate or something to read it for you. Some sections just read a little awkwardly.
+I know I had a lot to say, but it's really not that bad. I've also seen you post a lot of work before, and you are getting better. Keep up the good work, and take your time.
+--- 21991438
+>>21991385
+that opening is not terribly engaging
+--- 21991439
+>>21991073
+Anything but yes is retarded incel or nu-alpha males (also incels.)
+Men and women are people, yes, we have our differences based on sex, but I've only ever heard that it is literally impossible from people who view reality as a business where being friends with the opposite sex and not fucking is seen as some weird failure because they only place value in how many of the other sex you sleep with. Funny enough the only person I've personally heard say this (friend of a friend) has no GF and is a virgin who is coping about how he can't be friends with women because he is too alpha.
+--- 21991442
+>>21991385
+Its strange how the first paragraph majes you feel that the story its going to be a light and comedic reading but then the rest of the text has a more flowering style that perhaps would fit something more dramatic
+--- 21991447
+>>21991437
+Thank you anon. I see it. Now I know what they mean about being too close to your own work.
+--- 21991451
+>>21986870 (OP)
+Rolling for Ms. Attached
+--- 21991456
+>>21991424
+If you're trying to write for genre fic audiences, much less web fiction, ignore anyone giving you prose advice (though credit to the anons trying to help), because unless it's offensively bad (yours is not) readers simply don't care.
+The issue is 1.) it's not a story people on RR are looking for, and 2.) it doesn't stand out enough to appeal to the much smaller audience looking for regular fantasy.
+--- 21991479
+>>21991456
+Thank you for the kind words anon. I appreciate ate criticism of prose. Tells me how much more I need to improve I think I want to reach the level just being half as good as rothfuss. 
+>>21991438
+I thought so too. I knew having a "wake up in the morning" intro would be bad. Maybe I'll start her off just guiding traffic and she is the one that brings in the donuts for the office
+--- 21991514
+>>21991479
+>rothfuss
+What so you can not finish a trilogy too?
+--- 21991518
+>>21991385
+I don't use Royal Road so I don't know what's typical and I don't know what's important.
+But your prose strikes me as fancy but unpolished, which could be a bad combination (contra >>21991456). If somebody's prose is kind of shit but it's all short sentences with lots of line breaks then it's easy to put up with if you like the content. If the paragraphs are long and a little tedious then you might get bored sifting for the good stuff and we don't want that.
+The more verbose your prose, the more words you have to cut, counterintuitive as that sounds. So it could use more editing. You can go back and deduplicate words, delete them, move them around, replace them. Make them all count. e.g.
+>An earthy aroma entered inside the office of a group of three under-worked knights. The smell drifted around the room—immediately awakening the three in the vicinity.
+There are some redundancies here:
+>aroma/smell
+>entered/inside
+>office/room
+>group/three/three
+In this case I don't think the repetition is valuable. So you can juggle it around until the words merge so it takes less space. Maybe:
+>An earthy aroma drifted into the office, immediately awakening the three under-worked knights.
+All the same information, but without the mental stutter.
+It really is something that's best done during editing, not writing. You have to re-read your work with fresh enough eyes to notice the wrinkles. Some people say to change the font and the text size and color. That might be worth a shot.
+
+Other small issues that you'd be likely to notice during a careful reread:
+>Darius scratched the back of his head, unable to formulate a response nor could he think of a way to remove Cassandra’s guard.
+This reads weirdly—not sure if there's a formal rule, but the verbs on the left and right side of the nor don't match. "unable to formulate a response nor think of a way" works better for me.
+>Usually, that job fell to Cassandra, the Striker of the group. Reeves was the Chariot, or one who generally led the front, and Adah herself was a bombardier, or a knight that specialized in long range attacks.
+"Bombardier" isn't capitalized here.
+
+It doesn't feel bad, only unfinished. Do keep going!
+--- 21991538
+>>21991518
+Wow that's very helpful. Thanks anon.
+--- 21991539
+>>21991073
+Well, yeah. Though it really depends on how attracted those two people are to one another, how much will power they both have and if they have any reasons not to hook up. Upbringing, being burnt from pervious relationships, already being in a relationship, plenty of reasons not to get together even if there is some attraction. There's also the case that your two characters get on well, but there's something about one or either of them which the other finds unattractive. It only becomes unrealistic if they're a good match and there's no reason not to get together.
+--- 21991578
+>>21991518
+>Some people say to change the font and the text size and color.
+with rr I paste from my word doc into the program and then do an editing pass in the window. then I paste it back into my word program and edit again. the change in style/font really does help
+--- 21991579
+>>21991385
+Honestly anon, I think Royal Road is an absolute sham. Your not going to take off from there unless you're writing for a niche group and all those readers flock to you. Writing generic fantasy you're getting the numbers I'd expect.
+
+>>21991424
+I just accidentally clicked your link twice and it took me straight into chapter one each time, still haven't read a word. You should link the main page and not the chapter next time.
+--- 21991593
+>>21991157
+1. It's awkward to close with a simile to "perdition" when you opened with a simile to "hell".
+
+2. Words ending in -ing get old quickly when overused. They are abstract and force the reader to imagine several moments at once, rather than a single image. I would to cut back. E.g., if you have to add modifiers to "steel" you could use "molten".
+
+3. You are too wordy in general. A lot of these these descriptions would be better with less information. You are trying to depict something as stark and brutal, and you would be better off letting that come through in your language.
+
+4. Not to be a persnickety bitch, but lava is melted rock. I don't have context, but I would just call it melted metal, or maybe "slag".
+--- 21991600
+>>21990628
+You've got plenty of time then, yeah? Read You are the Placebo and start healing your spine
+--- 21991608
+>>21991593
+I second this. Only rather than lava, slag or melted metal I'd go with
+>molten metal
+--- 21991610
+>>21991579
+Oh sorry. I just figured people would want to read chapter 1 before anything else. 
+
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67568/a-knight-of-valora-serenity
+--- 21991651
+>>21990089
+First paragraph got me keking fine. Pls continue and keep posting pls.
+--- 21991665
+>>21990089
+Most logically he meets a woman. But utterly confused why he's so attracted to breasts ass and pussy.
+--- 21991680
+>>21991157
+I like it. I coud visualize it fine and it gave me a dreading feel similar to when I worked in a factory.
+--- 21991726
+>>21990089
+>What's a good crazy direction I could take this in?
+He meets a tranny and forms his concept of "woman" from those experiences, then meets an actual woman and hates her.
+--- 21991731
+>>21989749
+>>21989749
+>FortySixtyFour here. I do live in a trailer, and it's a shitty 40+ year old one that's not really fit to live in. That said...
+>Making a living off of your writing can have less to do with making more money and more to do with spending less money.
+You are an inspiration, and I say that with total sincerity.
+--- 21991742
+>>21991726
+I hate to say this but the very first pornographic picture I stumbled across as a kid was a preop and I thought that's what a vagina looked like for several months until I saw a picture of a real one, to which my first thought was "where's her vagina?"
+--- 21991806
+>>21989749
+I didn't realize you were a cat! Wow, you've really exceeded expectations!
+Kidding aside...at least you live in an area with water. So much of the country is in a drought.
+And more power to you for living your dream!
+--- 21991809
+>>21991806
+>So much of the country is in a drought.
+fortunately the rockies have had more snowfall this year than they've had in the last 20+. this summer the reservoirs are actually going to go up
+--- 21991812
+>>21990664
+post your work or STFU
+--- 21991817
+>>21991665
+>>21991651
+
+I'm going to focus more on how he views women in a sort of mythical way like they are some extinct creature he's only read about in books and from what the old man has told him keep in mind this is a guy who was raised from birth out in the wilderness until his early 20s so he has a kind of skewered perception of reality having never encountering a woman because everyone died in a nuclear holocaust he will meet one but before he actually meets a woman who takes him to a city to try and potentially save humanity
+--- 21991842
+>>21991157
+Take it or leave it but as a guy who works in steel mills here and there I have never heard of them as "refineries." Your experience may differ of course. Otherwise the actual description is spot on.
+--- 21991868
+>>21989760
+Gaiaonline, 4chan's old nemesis website. It has an active roleplaying community, though you have to know how to format your posts and have a functioning layout. Pic related is a very basic layout (Not mine), for example. You use a picture of your character, the style depending on what the setting requests of you, and post it with your contributing text. 
+
+Honestly, I've searched the internet and this is the only website I've used that has brought me consistent enjoyment. Not everyone would agree. It has its downsides, like the fact that it has a lot of women on it, but its pros outweigh the cons for me. I'm aware not everyone would agree.
+--- 21991936
+>>21991174
+This is a really good idea. Thanks for reading and for the suggestion anon.
+>>21991180
+>X but actually Y
+Ah yeah, I struggle all the time with that and it's always tough to see when I do it. I was trying to describe something like pic related, but I don't know how effective it was. Thanks for reading and commenting man.
+>>21991593
+>>21991608
+Thank you both very much for reading and for the feedback. I've been trying to make my prose a bit less simplistic but I still have some trouble with the issues you brought up. Not persnickety at all either. Been dying for other ways to describe melted steel so that's super useful, kek.
+>>2199very much for reading and for the kind words anon. Honored you liked it as someone who's worked in a factory.
+>>21991842
+Kek, never actually worked in any sort of steel mill or factory so I'll take your work for it. Thanks for reading anon, really happy to hear the description felt accurate to you.
+--- 21991938
+When do I use "definitely" and when do I use "definitively"?
+--- 21991951
+>>21991938
+Definite is when you are sure of something.
+Definitive is for when a conclusion has been reached.
+I am definitely sure that this example is the definitive way to show you the difference.
+--- 21992035
+>>21989749
+I really admire your dedication anon. Not sure how much success you'll have or are having, but it's cool to see how dedicated you are to your art. Reminds me of McCarthy.
+One monetary thing you should think about is how much money you're saving for the future. I would recommend just keeping a little aside in a money market or some safe investment just so you have something to go off if and when you become too old to work.
+Good luck and God bless, dude. If you have any of your stories for sale I'd buy a copy.
+--- 21992045
+>>21988912
+Like this >>21989663 anon said you just gotta power through certain parts of the story. You'll need to revise them later but it's better than stopping completely.
+--- 21992056
+I wish we had an erotica general. Anyways
+which erotica premise sounds sexier to you?
+
+>story about a cunty female boss finally being raped by her male subordinate 
+
+>femdom where cunty boss sexually dominates her female subordinate 
+both set in office settings
+--- 21992072
+>>21991936
+Not that anon, but because I read Kierkegaard I write "X but actually Y" unironically, which he does in "Fear and Trembling" and found it quite powerful. But I try to write it ominously enough to imply something else is happening beneath the surface, and not just that I have clumsy description.
+--- 21992081
+>>21991938
+>When do I use "definitely"
+never
+>and when do I use "definitively"?
+never unless it comes before "proven" (or some synonym for proven), and even then it's usually a waste.
+
+Both are shit words and will make your writing worse. If you want to convey a sense of certainty then don't qualify whatever you're saying.
+--- 21992085
+>>21992056
+Top one.
+--- 21992090
+Do any of you actually read webnovels? 
+
+I find the quality of writing on Royal Road to be very low, even among very popular fics. There are very few exceptions. 
+
+Does the readership just not value good prose/characterisation? Or are the writers just not too good?
+
+I'm planning to post there but concerned that my ability to write better than the competition will in fact be meaningless
+--- 21992125
+>>21992085
+ok which female boss archetype is sexier
+>middle aged "wine aunt" type that is subconsciously resentful that she wasted her best years climbing the business latter instead of having fun, and secretly wants to be "put in her place"
+>bratty young type that did nothing to deserve her position and only got it because her dad has connections. secretly very insecure and sensitive
+--- 21992180
+>>21992090
+People who care about prose read literary fiction.
+--- 21992184
+>>21992180
+But I like both :/
+--- 21992185
+>>21992125
+the top one will appeal to female readers
+the bottom to male
+--- 21992197
+>>21992125
+personally i prefer the top one just because i want an older woman to take her frustrations out on me
+but that probably doesn't help if she's the one being raped
+--- 21992199
+>>21992184
+People can appreciate good prose but they don't always care if the story is entertaining without it.
+--- 21992210
+>>21992185
+who would the 
+>femdom where cunty boss sexually dominates her female subordinate 
+appeal to?
+--- 21992211
+>>21992090
+I read alot there and i can safely say that the quality of yur writing is the last thing on their minds. The readers do not like multiple pov characterization. They want braindead thoughtless MC's who win after overcoming little to no adversity. They also do not like racial profiling or overly religious themes. Female MC's seem to do quite well there yet romance doesnt, make of that what you will.
+--- 21992241
+>>21992210
+men. lesbians don't actually exist, but men like harems and this is just a fantasy based on that
+--- 21992253
+>>21992241
+> men like harems
+fuck that, it sounds like far too much work. a blow job on demand sounds great but having to cope with all the rest, sheesh.
+--- 21992277
+>>21992056
+There have been multiple anons who've expressed interest in an erotica general before (including me) so I gave it a shot: >>21992274 →
+--- 21992288
+>>21992241
+I'll probably go with the wine aunt premise then, women jilling to my stories sounds hot
+>>21992277
+nice, I'll post in it if I think of anything else to say or ask, or if someone else posts questions in it
+--- 21992297
+>>21992253
+oh no doubt. men like the fantasy of harems just as women like the fantasy of rape. if I were the sultan and my word was law I could deal with a harem. in any other situation that scenario turns into multiple women you have to pick up after and who nag you constantly
+--- 21992314
+>>21992211
+Thanks.
+
+What about the one about the chicken? That one was very popular and didn't fit that mold as far as I could tell.
+
+I'm doing progression fantasy and trying to give them as much of a power trip as I can while still writing well lol, but I worry that my values are just in the wrong place, or that my pacing isn't insanely fast enough for them. I can't write as mindlessly as people seem to on RR, it just feels ridiculous. 
+
+My world building is also excellent and I think really comes to life because it is written well. Do they like that?
+Am I fucked?
+--- 21992356
+>>21992314
+Beware of chicken is a power fantasy about gardening cultivation. The reason why its so successful (as near as i can tell) is because the MC does sweet fuck all, but stil - gets the girl - gets followers who respect him - gets power and prestige - gets money. The MC's defining traits are that he's just an average Joe who wants to be left alone, basically just lawful neutral. 
+So to sum up why it was successful is because its a lazy working cucks fantasy of winning.
+
+So anon, what is your:
+>MC
+>Setting
+>Power system
+>Progression speed
+???
+--- 21992377
+The constant interaction now with the internet was a mistake.
+--- 21992400
+I found RR readers like ridiculous MCs right now.
+>Trees
+>Rocks
+>Chickens
+>Ghost girls
+>Other random ass shit
+
+Somehow MC wins being "unique" and the perception that the MC wins in the most shonen anime shit ever with 0.00000001% chance of succeeding.
+--- 21992401
+>>21992180
+Enough of your pathetic seething.
+Post your writing, alleged tradcuck.
+You don't have any, do you.
+--- 21992410
+>>21992401
+I am definitely not the anon you think I am. I literally write scifi and fantasy, and I was just trying to answer the other anon's question.
+--- 21992433
+>>21992400
+Its fucking infuriating too because on the RR threads people will complain about there being too much of this garbage and tropes they can't stand, then go on to consume more of it ad nauseam
+--- 21992440
+>>21992433
+so its webtoon in written format, good to know
+--- 21992452
+>>21992400
+It's the hook to make a story stand out from the crowd.
+--- 21992489
+I finally got my cover how I want it. Hopefully, I can keep it that way. No wonder authors don't usually have control over this stuff. I hate layout.
+--- 21992494
+>>21992211
+>The readers do not like multiple pov characterization. They want braindead thoughtless MC's who win after overcoming little to no adversity. They also do not like racial profiling or overly religious themes
+That's funny. Because that's my entire webnovel there. I don't care if it gains traction though. It's all about pushing myself to the limit and writing what I've held in my head.
+--- 21992503
+>>21992494
+you do need some traction and reviews or you'll stagnate. Nobody improves by hiding themselves away from everyone else. Feedback is important.
+--- 21992510
+>>21992503
+I'll write what I want! Daughters of Odin, take me to Valhalla!
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67893/the-god-of-the-spark
+>Reviews
+I've been writing short stories since I had a laptop at 13 or something. And poetry before that. I didn't need reviews.
+--- 21992519
+>>21992510
+Want to be added to the pastebin? It may draw many people but at least youll be seen somewhere and exist
+--- 21992539
+>>21992519
+Sure, but /wg/ hasn't existed that long and I doubt it'll exist much longer since /lit/'s subculture changes like the weather. We used to do /crit/.
+--- 21992568
+Is there anywhere worth posting other than RR to gain a readership?
+--- 21992574
+>>21992568
+>readership
+Probably on a personal website like wordpress then you try to get on podcasts or make posts about it on Reddit for weird subreddits. That's how I found this: 
+https://twitter.com/aethuranpodcast?lang=en
+Some guy was shilling it when I asked for recs.
+--- 21992588
+>>21992568
+As an example, Worm was successful and it's 1.5 million words long. I think the guy writes other stuff now with heaps of Patrons on Patreon. Build it. And they will come. 
+https://parahumans.wordpress.com
+Half the problem is burnout and IRL problems. But if you are organised and write ahead by at least ten days, then it should be fine.
+--- 21992614
+>>21992588
+>>21992574
+
+Yeah I just need to find that initial bump of readers. I'm pretty confident a certain type will really enjoy my fic. Any particular subs where I might get shilling?
+
+I've written a lot of it already so I can be a lot more than 10 days ahead. I'm trying to be as calculated about this as possible. 
+
+I can have a wordpress and direct people there, but might it not be a good idea to direct them to RR so I can build followers/reviews on that platform and gain momentum?
+--- 21992631
+>>21992614
+>but might it not be a good idea to direct them to RR so I can build followers/reviews on that platform and gain momentum?
+Maybe but I remember that RR's admin team got mad people were pulling their books off to sell it on Amazon and all those get a "STUB" tag.
+Plus you get way more analytics on Wordpress, like location, where people clicked the link, how long they stayed to read, etc.
+--- 21992638
+>>21992631
+But how will people find me? I'd rather do a wordpress but I need the infrastructure / algo of RR to find readers. I can shill it on a couple reddits maybe but how many readers will I really find that way?
+--- 21992646
+>>21992638
+You can post the first book on RR then move to a website later, I guess. If you're indecisive, I wouldn't recommend RR anyway, since the readers largely all read gamelit and the same progression stuff. Their comments are borderline retarded, e.g., "I liked how it had emotions in it."
+--- 21992662
+>>21992646
+wdym, indecisive? Not offended just asking.
+
+I've written 60+k already so I have something to sell on patreon and have a buffer to write ahead. I don't care about RR/vs not I just want to be able to make money on patreon and have dedicated readers, and will do whatever improves the probability of getting readers.
+
+It's progression fantasy, but as I've said there's only so much I can pander to RR taste without writing... well, slop
+--- 21992673
+>>21987196
+Elaborate
+--- 21992731
+>>21991385
+The beginning is dry and dull. This should be too obvious to even say, but your story needs to grab the reader somehow, by an interesting activity or observation. Overwhelming people with mountainous paragraphs about nothing important is not the way.
+
+Also, your story synopsis doesn't really tell what the whole thing is about. Something about crimes and a conspiracy, that's really, really vague. What sets your story apart from the 50,000 others on the site and makes it my time? Think about it.
+--- 21992733
+>>21992731
+>makes it worth my time?
+I just woke up
+--- 21992742
+>>21991385
+im on chapter 4 atm. if you want, i can dm you a small review of what i thought of it and how you can improve it
+--- 21992745
+>>21991936
+No problem. It's a decent description of the blast furnace and the caster parts of a steel mill.
+
+In fact, here's a collection of pictures I took at a couple of jobs: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1N4M7BDTVW6MrRgWAku0HBp3DJZNuvpwk
+
+The blast furnace was down during this time. I was about 150' in the air looking over Lake Michigan in the dead of night in early March. Sucked ass.
+
+Other photos are from a tunnel underneath a strip where big blocks of steel are pressed into coils of sheet metal. Jets shoot water out to nearly half a football field to keep that under control. Makes the place humid on top of being hot. Mung water flows down there where I had to make welds for hydraulic lines. My FRCs glistened after I got dumped on. It was cramped in there too. Sucked ass.
+
+Steel mills suck ass. They're a Grim Reaper to the East that beckons to me with a bony finger and a fat wad of cash. I sometimes need to pay the bills that way but I do not like it. It makes me appreciate everywhere else that I work at more. 
+
+I could go on but I don't know if any of this is useful to you. Thank you for reading this far if you did.
+--- 21992780
+>>21992494
+Fantasy racial profiling is ok because those mouth breathing retards wont get it unless you slap them in the face with it.
+--- 21992976
+>>21992056
+>>21992125
+First one in both cases for me. Few fapsessions have been as enjoyable as watching haughty milfs be dominated.

lit/21987105.txt

@@ -172,3 +172,143 @@ Its not that he's preachy, he's passionate. If you read his letters you'll see t
 --- 21989102
 >>21987105 (OP)
 the martian chronicles by ray bradbury. it's good.
+--- 21989128
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Starting Radetzky March by Joseph Roth today.
+--- 21989135
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Siddhartha but there's 5 pages left
+And then idk what to read
+--- 21989189
+>>21988523
+Bulgakov is probably your easiest in. Ilf and Petrov may work too (they're a team) but I think more of the jokes won't translate out
+--- 21989327
+I'm reading a lot of stuff right now but right now I'm focusing on a biography of Aleister Crowley, The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall, and Napoleon the Great by Andrew Roberts on audiobook.
+>>21988440
+Fantastic book.
+>>21989135
+May I suggest The Dharma Bums by Jack Kerouac? Thematically it's very similar and I read it around the same time I read Siddhartha. You really should read On the Road as a prerequisite however.
+--- 21989330
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
+--- 21989339
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Blood Meridian because it was shilled to hell here
+--- 21989370
+>>21987105 (OP)
+State almighty by Mises or whatever it's called in english
+--- 21989639
+Imitation of Christ, just started this morning.
+--- 21989645
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Anabasis, it's ok
+--- 21989762
+I enjoy the Classics.
+--- 21990099
+>>21988541
+I'll try. Thank you for the suggestion.
+--- 21990111
+>>21988624
+>>21988624
+>ever read Dostoevsky's The Double?
+No, like I said my experience with Russian literature is not good. But perhaps for the sake of discussion, I would. 
+
+I'm thinking of trying Russian literature again. Perhaps that's why I learned the language, to understand the literature more profoundly.
+
+Honestly, Russian felt easier than Arabic, I'm still surprised. I study the language spontaneously tho, not formal.
+--- 21990123
+>>21988768
+You might be more right than you think! But I definitely don't want to suffer. I'm trying to understand what's it's like to be in Solzhenitsyn's shoes. I couldn't force myself to, but I'm genuinely curious.
+--- 21990139
+>>21989189
+Bulgakov plays interested me. Maybe I can start with that.
+
+Ilf and Petrov, these guys sounds like my kind of book
+
+Thank you for the suggestion.
+--- 21990164
+>>21987105 (OP)
+"6 books on the theology of plato by" Proclus. Its pretty neat. Im nearly finished with it.
+--- 21990245
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Madame Bovary for the fourth time and poems by Leon Fargue.
+--- 21990260
+>>21989639
+>All Holy Scripture ought to be read with that spirit with which it was made
+
+this single page could convert or rebuke basically every single 4chan fedora.
+--- 21990293
+>>21987105 (OP)
+This.
+--- 21990364
+>>21987105 (OP)
+>the Bible authorized kjv with Apocrypha
+started out kinda boring but it's going good. on 2 kings
+> sorrows of young wether
+it's the 18th century version of literally me. but seriously, this the fore runner for things like notes from the underground and taxi driver. wether is pretty obsessive.
+>the expedition of Humphry clinker
+second time reading it. I remember quite liking it, I guess that's why I'm reading it the second time. it's like early South Park made from an 18th century scotsman.
+>the dragon waiting
+I'm only in the beginning and it's starting out alright. it's a fantasy alt. history but im not knowledgeable enough for ancient history so it's all a blur to me. I want to read more alt. history books, like guns of the south, I want to read that one.
+>Eric brighteyes 
+I just finished the introduction. I guess Tolkien likes this book and the other book the author made, she; which I also read. but this looks promising, I really liked king Solomon's mines
+--- 21990396
+I generally read non fiction but last year I read Blood Meridian and really enjoyed it so I decided to give some more fiction a chance. Currently I'm reading Pynchon's Mason & Dixon and Delillo's Libra. I've also read Moby Dick, McCarthy's The Road, and Anna Karenina recently. I loved them all but Moby Dick especially.
+--- 21990405
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Nothing. I don't read.
+--- 21990531
+LBJ: Architect of American Ambition by Randall Woods.
+
+It's a decent biography on LBJ. Not the best political biography I've ever read but it's decent
+--- 21990560
+So close to finishing it
+--- 21990565
+>>21988355
+Abbey is an ass hole. He's preachy because, like the other anon said, he's passionate. His shtick about industrial tourism is spot on. Currently in the process of trying to reserve a campsite to hike Katahdin 3 months in advance and it's a fucking nightmare. Compare this to Thoreau's journaled experience and it's depressing. Nature writing made me hate my fellow man. If you're not in love with Thoreau's prose, there are plenty of other nature writers to choose from (Abbey can be pretty abrasive if this is your first go at the genre). Aldo Leopold comes to mind. If you're looking for more in-depth "roughing it" types, you can check out Cache Lake Country by Rowlands. Depending on your tastes, you might enjoy nineteenth century travelogs, which blur the lines between nature and travel writing.
+--- 21990584
+>>21990364
+Fine I'll bite: reading 5 books at once? Yuck
+--- 21991146
+Tristram Shandy. I'm halfway through volume 3 and he still hasn't been born.
+--- 21991222
+Picked it up out of interest because of Evola's book on the Grail and have been enjoying it a lot. Not sure what I'll move on to after I finish, might stay on the medieval German kick and give the Nibelungenlied a go.
+--- 21991412
+Aнa Кapeнинa, i'am around 200 pages in and hoping Vronsky has a painful and slow death.
+--- 21991465
+Reading this bad boy. 
+Conclusion so far is that Sartre is a commie
+--- 21991937
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Inherent Vice
+--- 21991947
+>>21990123
+imagine yourself getting a fat cheque from the CIA
+--- 21991965
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Sometimes a Great Notion by Ken Kesey.
+
+Great and completely different from Cuckoo
+--- 21991970
+>>21991947
+Lmao I wish lol
+--- 21991999
+It's laugh out loud funny. I'm not joking.
+--- 21992172
+Just read this - it was very elegant and strikingly deep. I suggest it if you want to get lost in a character study.
+
+-I think I will read A Wind up Bird Chronicle next. I've just started it.
+--- 21992201
+>>21992172
+the short story of a windup bird chronicle in the elephant vanishes is infinitely better
+--- 21992219
+the secret history by donna tartt. not high lit or anything, but man this is fun. glad i got memed into it, senpai. every /lit/ head should check it out.
+--- 21992221
+>>21992219
+>forgot you cna't say f a m
+man wtf
+--- 21992228
+Reading moby dick after much recommendation
+--- 21992252
+>>21987105 (OP)
+Little Dorrit. I like Maggy, she's nice so far.

lit/21987293.txt

@@ -43,3 +43,75 @@ It's sci-fi, buy it hit home a little too hard. Very dystopic.
 --- 21989020
 >>21988334
 Nothing the book SUCKS. Go read Homage to Catalonia instead
+--- 21989378
+>>21987569
+>but what about muh proooooooose?
+--- 21989382
+This board is full of children, unable to have any kind of nuanced take. Literally the kind of people who panic thinking someone is wrong with them if they don't like a book that other people like, or unable to grasp the idea that maybe things are good in some ways but not in others. Extremely low media literacy
+--- 21989515
+>>21987293 (OP)
+I'm about 120 pages in, it took forever to get rolling and the "everything is shit, the winner writes history" angle got a bit tiring. Does it get any better?
+--- 21989522
+>>21987312
+>The prose is drab and tedious
+The prose is fucking god tier
+--- 21990950
+>>21987293 (OP)
+Read it last year at 18
+So in typical fashion as a teen fag I consider it to be my all time favorite book
+--- 21990981
+>>21989382
+Just asking to see why other people liked the book and saying i didn't like it but would like to see why anyway, why is that a bad thing? I also said the book is good in some ways and not in others. What drove you to write this post?
+--- 21991206
+>>21987293 (OP)
+>the love story wasn't really that interesting to me at all,
+I agree, just finished the book 3 days ago.
+I felt as though his entire relationship with Julia could be cut in half and still have everything important come across.
+Of the 3 parts I rate them:
+part 1: 7/10
+part 2: 4/10
+part 3: 10/10
+Really liked part 3
+--- 21991389
+>>21987293 (OP)
+1984 is more interesting to me in context then anything else.
+Orwell for all his inadequacies was in position of that soul gift so rarely found in intellectuals; humility. As such he was critical of his own intellectual tendencies and those who shared them arguably to a fault. Given another decade of life he would probably have fallen into the 
+>”The God who Failed”
+Camp and joined ranks with the same ex-trot neo-conservative intellectuals the latter half of the 20th century became so well acquainted with.
+He however died in 1948.
+As such Orwell leaves us with a rather unique snap shot in his last work of a post war libertarian socialist critique if socialism itself without any real overwhelming ideological conclusions drawn.
+Of course many people over the years have tried to claim him: the libsocs, the liberals, the neo-cons the odd bro-fascist ect. But Orwell in part leaves no such real bias imbued on us largely do to the unremarkable and indecisive person of his protagonist Wilson.
+All that is left at the end of the novel is a direct condemnation of Stalinism and a suggestion as demonstrated in the appendix that 
+>”something” 
+Will come after this this.
+What that is to be is left entirely to the imagination.
+--- 21991753
+>>21987293 (OP)
+>filtered
+Yes. Yes you were. Reflect on pic-related during your reread.
+--- 21992076
+>>21991753
+>"If you want a picture of the future, imagine 'her penis' climaxing on a clown's face – forever."
+--- 21992147
+“Oranges and lemons”
+Say the bells of St. Clement’s.
+“You owe me five farthings”
+Say the bells of St. Martin’s.
+“When will you pay me?”
+Ask the bells of Old Bailey.
+"When I grow rich”
+Say the bells of Shoreditch.
+--- 21992173
+>>21992076
+our timeline truly is worse than the one he imagined
+--- 21992342
+>>21992076
+--- 21992823
+wow, I just checked out the 1984 movie and it is DOGSHIT. Did all movies before 2000 just suck that bad?
+--- 21992851
+>>21987293 (OP)
+Yep, liked animal farm better
+--- 21992860
+>>21987293 (OP)
+>am i getting filtered if i didn't think the book was as good as people say it is? 
+Yes. Eric Blair was a prophet of our modern authoritarian governments and oppression of citizens (the states, China, Germany, Russia, Israel etc)

lit/21987304.txt

@@ -48,3 +48,34 @@ I have On the Nature of the Universe and the whole introduction is the translato
 --- 21988926
 >>21988625
 What do you suggest? I have heard stuff about Hollingdale.
+--- 21990035
+>>21988625
+>poopoo peepee poo 
+Fuck off, faggy. Do you even have the mental faculties to properly criticize the quality of his translations? Do you know German? Wait, have you even read Kaufmann?
+>>21988926
+Anon, if anything, Nietzsche is more sterilized as time passes. At the end of the day, if you're not someone writing a PhD dissertation on Nietzsche, it doesn't matter that much
+--- 21990085
+>>21987304 (OP)
+How would you know either way?
+--- 21990577
+>>21987321
+>No, I don’t read — yet
+lol, develop a reading habit first, you can worry about translations after.
+--- 21991740
+>>21988625
+His translations are perfectly fine, just skip his analysis and look elsewhere for that.
+t. actually had read Nietzsche both in German and translation
+--- 21991757
+It varies but they tend not to use public domain translations so have a better strike rate than cheaper publishers. They also change to new translations more than most other publishers.
+--- 21992064
+>>21987304 (OP)
+Norton Critical editions are also pretty great, be weary though with either publisher because they'll sometimes choose retarded TLs for politics.
+Penguin's vintage label has that god-awful Emily Wilson for the Odyssey (nepotism with her Uncle) because she's the first female to translate it in english and whines about misogy in it. What's even more annoying is they didn't give as much publicity to a much better translation of the Iliad by Caroline Alexander.
+Their regular penguin label uses their own E. V. Rieu for both works. He started the Penguin's Classics series in the first place and also translayed some of the new testament, I don't know about his quality of either works.
+In a third Norton Critical edition of either a Dostoevsky or Tolstoy work. The female translator goes on about how he's evil for his antisemitism and other stuff. Doesn't sound like a faithful translator if they despise the author. The second edition has a really good translation (revised older translation) but is out of print with no ebooks availuable.
+--- 21992118
+>>21987832
+Back when most translations of works were adequate as a standard version or were limited in number what mattered most were the book's fluff, the notes and essays. Penguin standardardised a minimum level of extratextual value for cheap paperbacks at a time you need to get more expensive tomes forbtge good stuff.
+--- 21992138
+https://welovetranslations.com
+This site has pretty good overview of certain works all with exerpts to compare. Not that large a catalog though.

lit/21987354.txt

@@ -40,3 +40,82 @@ It is
 --- 21989054
 >>21989051
 Russia is now a Chinese colony bro
+--- 21989193
+>>21987354 (OP)
+Hey its that dude from Breaking bad. He'll be fine.
+--- 21989200
+>>21989193
+>>21989039
+No, this is the dude that plays Hank
+--- 21989231
+>15 October 1927: Opening of the Nietzsche Congress with Spengler's lecture on "Nietzsche and the twentieth century". The hall was full to overflowing. Many had to stand. The lecture proved a debacle. For an hour a fat parson with a fleshy chin and brutal mouth (it was my first sight of Spengler) spouted the most trite and trivial rubbish. Any young worker in a Workers' Educational Association who tried to inform his fellows about Nietzsche's philosophy would have done better. Not ONE original idea. Not even FALSE glitter. Everything uniformly shallow, dull, insipid and tedious.
+>In short Spengler succeeded in making Nietzsche a bore. Only a few ludicrously wrong assertions enlivened the gloomy hour. In Britain, for instance, philosophers have never pondered politics "because Britain is no polity". (Hobbes's Leviathan and the rest are non-existent or, more likely, Spengler has never heard of Hobbes and his successors.) Again, interest in the cognition theory in the nineteenth century was as much an anachronism as "anyone today ordering baroque or Louis XV instead of modern furniture". (Mach, Wundt, Spencer, the entire field of scientific perception, physiology and psychology are null and void, excommunicated by Spengler.) And again, Kant and the guillotine are parallel manifestations. (This flash of inspiration was repeated several times, for fear, no doubt, that somebody might miss this precious piece of enlightenment.) So the big gun has burst or, more properly speaking, since never a shot was fired, it has simply fallen apart.
+>The whole assemblage was obviously nonplussed ... for the Nietzsche archive, it is a regrettable embarrassment to have let this half-educated charlatan talk. The lecture was so shallow that even Ms. Förster has to have doubt about her Spengler. Maybe he's the first Nietzsche-monk. May God protect us from this species. 
+t. Kessler 1927
+--- 21989244
+>>21989231
+>In Britain, for instance, philosophers have never pondered politics
+This is true. Hobbes is not a philosopher, he is just a jurist at best. The closest you'll come is Locke, and his theory of politics is hardly even politics given that "liberalism" is essentially anti-political, or "negative" politics. 
+>And again, Kant and the guillotine are parallel manifestations.
+This is also pretty much spot on.
+Kessler sounds like he is just seething that he didn't get to give the speech and a conservative revolutionary did.
+--- 21989369
+>>21987366
+>history is random
+Peak midwit.
+--- 21989371
+>>21989005
+It is/will.
+--- 21989387
+>>21989371
+Z
+--- 21989396
+>>21987366
+>darwin
+
+do you believe this snake's tail evolved through a series of coincidences as the mason darwin says?
+--- 21989401
+>>21989005
+I didn't catch this but i've not read much. good call, people deny this... somehow. compare new york/san francisco to moscow lmao
+
+I guess spengler is forgotten because people reject his truth, the truth
+--- 21989611
+>>21989054
+China will get the far east parts of Russia but Russia will inherit Europe 
+>and the Americas?
+chessboard between the two
+--- 21989619
+>>21989005
+Putin has come a long way in 23 years, from the first cautious but resolute attempts to restore Russia's sovereignty as a state, almost completely lost in the 1990s, recognising that Russia (although sovereign) is part of the Western world, part of Europe (from Lisbon to Vladivostok) and generally shares Western values, rules and attitudes, to the head-on clash with the collective West, openly rejecting its hegemony, refusing to recognise its values, principles and rules as universal and strictly accepted by Russia.
+
+Putin's signature on 31 March 2023 with the new foreign policy concept means that the road from a sovereign state in the context of a common Western globalist liberal civilisation to a sovereign civilisation, the Russian world and an independent pole has been definitively passed. Russia is no longer the West. The West was the first to proclaim this, launching a war of annihilation against us. After a year of SMO we also affirm it. Not with regret, but with pride.
+
+In the above definition of Russia there are four levels, each representing the most important concept in foreign policy.
+
+The statement that Russia is a civilisation-state means that we are not dealing with a simple nation-state according to the logic of the Westphalian system, but with something much bigger. If Russia is a civilisation-state, then it should not be compared with a particular Western or non-Western country, but with the West as a whole, for example. Or with another civilisation-state, such as China or India. Or simply with a civilisation represented by many states (such as the Islamic world, Latin America or Africa). A civilisation-state is not just a very large state, it is like the ancient empires, the kingdoms of kingdoms, a state of states. Within the civilisation-state there can be several political entities, even quite autonomous ones. According to K. Leontiev, this is a complexity in the making, not a linear unification, as in the common nation-states of the New Era.
+
+- Alexander Dugin
+--- 21990138
+>>21987354 (OP)
+He is not forgotten I had to read him in one of my philosophy classes. 
+But it all comes this >>21987366
+It is an enjoyable read nevertheless
+--- 21990211
+>>21990138
+>He is not forgotten I had to read him in one of my philosophy classes.
+Yeah, it's probably just one shitposter behind all these "Spengler is forgotten" threads, but I've certainly had him mentioned during my classes and ran across modern scholars mentioning, even recommending, him here and there across my readings. That said, a lot of modern academia is dismissive by default towards any and all grand unifying theories.
+--- 21990792
+>>21989244
+Locke and JS Mill are hugely influential political philosophers. They literally created the modern world.
+--- 21990864
+>Spergler
+--- 21991354
+>>21987366
+Wrong.
+Liberals (in the broad sense) hate Spengler because he counters their fundamental presumptions. Their mode of refutation is always by a vague appeal to authority. Always, "he's been" refuted, never "here's how." As if anyone should care that the inept academic of today has an opinion.
+--- 21991409
+>>21989231
+Kessler was a tasteless faggot who patronized modern art (literally, he was a homosexual). No surprise he was also a midwit.
+--- 21992682
+>>21989005
+Putin will win.

lit/21987469.txt

@@ -24,3 +24,36 @@ I'm obsessed with converting straight men. Corrective rape is awesome.
 --- 21988988
 >>21988983
 Lol not gonna happen nigger
+--- 21989379
+>>21988983
+oh snap!
+--- 21990506
+>>21988798
+This. Rape (heterosexual sex) is necessary for reproduction. The future of our species depends on rape - I propose making it mandatory.
+--- 21991463
+>>21987469 (OP)
+The only serious radical feminists are the separatists who try to live entirely apart from men, including doing all the manual labor, policing, etc themselves.
+--- 21991542
+>>21987469 (OP)
+They pretty much don't exist. Feminism is a timewaster ideology like LGBTQ advocacy or agrarianism.
+To be frank, misogyny is completely justified. Women are raised to be insanely entitled, superficial, oversensitive and boring. Every complaint they have about men is downstream of men having a stronger grip on reality and will-to-power. Every "better at some things" defense of women is essentially an acknowledgement of their borrowed social power and co-dependence.
+--- 21991565
+>>21991463
+
+This is a boomer phenomenon which is basically dead, I've looked up an article or two about lesbian separatist communes and how they're basically terminal because no one else wants to join. I think the fundamental reason is that society accepts/tolerates them now so most of them don't feel the need to go full tilt and fuck off by themselves innawoods.
+--- 21991584
+>>21988741
+
+Dworkin is one of the rare thinkers whose ideas can legitimately be rejected based purely on her own physiognomy. In most other cases there is at least some dishonesty in such a dismissal, but not a trace of it attaches to her case.
+--- 21991605
+>>21987469 (OP)
+Obligatory
+--- 21991628
+>>21991605
+anyone who didn't know this at a glance needs to calibrate their jewdar
+--- 21991664
+>>21991628
+Not everyone has a jewdar to calibrate.
+--- 21992696
+>>21991605
+She looks like Harold Bloom, it's obvious.

lit/21987531.txt

@@ -46,3 +46,27 @@ re-read your books
 Here you go.
 
 https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqNvO4rxJOPsxQubhJr1BeKwFi7GBMuc8
+--- 21989737
+>>21987531 (OP)
+Only a midwit would have a concern like this.
+--- 21989756
+>>21987531 (OP)
+Read widely first and just -read- don't worry about 'adequately engaging'. You will eventually get better at it. And I mean like 300 books of varying lengths and genres, not speed reading 'lit' novellas. I'm guessing you haven't read this many... if you have maybe you need more, but I'm convinced you need a certain critical number of books behind you.
+--- 21991070
+>>21987531 (OP)
+When I return to the book, before I read it, I take a moment to broadly summarize what I've read so far in my mind.
+If I'm struggling to line everything up, or if something that I forgot about is brought up, I'm probably not paying enough attention.
+
+In general, it's helpful to reference outside sources when reading books.
+If a book is set in a real world place, look it up and learn a few things about it.
+If it mentions a type of food you've never heard of before, look up some pictures and the ingredients.
+There's really no harm in briefly familiarizing yourself with any unfamiliar concept a book presents to you. You don't have to invest a lot of time into this, just a minute or two to pick up a couple tidbits of information. It's much better than stumbling around in the dark, especially if you're reading something particularly challenging.
+--- 21991915
+>>21988057
+Run roh, Anon just finished some Sontag
+--- 21991932
+>>21987559
+spbp
+--- 21991981
+>>21988057
+this is only partially true at best. it is not bad to understand the format, as you clearly know. love the use of a redditiod excuse for superficiality tho

lit/21987619.txt

@@ -9,3 +9,23 @@ gut says that sadness is the referent, depression is the internal conceptualizat
 --- 21989046
 >>21988920
 What about sadness in relation to other emotions? eg anger joy I’ve seen comprehensive arrangements but they always fail to include sadness
+--- 21990793
+bump
+--- 21990818
+>>21987619 (OP)
+Peirce expressly avoids psychology. It is a branch of idioscopy, not cenoscopy or logic. Emotions are obviously complex and involve all three categories.
+--- 21991313
+>>21990818
+Emotions can be broken down and mapped through Peircian categories quite convincingly. It’s just that it’s difficult to place “sadness” anywhere.
+--- 21991622
+>>21987619 (OP)
+QRD?
+What book?
+--- 21991633
+>>21991622
+QRD here
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f16654Oi6Lg [Embed]
+--- 21991893
+bump
+--- 21993003
+bumpalump

lit/21987692.txt

@@ -11,3 +11,41 @@ Hume's argument about causality is purely psychological. Hes saying that in our
 --- 21987766
 >>21987692 (OP)
 I automatically discard the opinions and ideas of fat people.
+--- 21989241
+>>21987692 (OP)
+>>his skepticism is based on a strawman of the idea of causality,
+why is a strwman?
+--- 21989245
+>>21987766
+--- 21989269
+>>21987692 (OP)
+>take some specific and particular part of common sense
+>say "nuh-uh, I don't buy it"
+>you are now a renowned philosopher and people will spend tens of millions of man hours refuting you
+So, since Hume's is-ought gap seems to have won so hard it has become part of our collective common sense, I'm gonna play a reverse card on him and say I see no issue whatsoever as to how you go from an is to an ought, and I quite simply don't buy that there is any problem with it.
+--- 21989271
+>>21989269
+Philosophers think about these problems because they are interested in truth and clear thinking.
+--- 21989480
+>>21989271
+>Philosophers think
+Or so they thought--
+--- 21989501
+>>21987692 (OP)
+>I am an empiricist myself
+Oh, you're retarded?
+--- 21989641
+>>21987692 (OP)
+Do I have to read this fatty before Kant's Prologomena?
+--- 21989662
+>>21989641
+Yes
+--- 21990237
+>>21989271
+Wow no shit sherlock
+--- 21992168
+>>21989241
+op won't respond because they cant
+--- 21992198
+>>21989641
+Yes

lit/21987744.txt

@@ -53,3 +53,57 @@ Fucking KINO
 >>21987811
 This is the kind of "advice" that get people killed.
 Always talk as if the person you're addressing has to infer anything dangerous - if they're dumb or your enemy you can simply deny saying something culpable.
+--- 21990016
+>>21989082
+My advice is meant for Chad nationalists, not for average men. If you are Chad, you can have whatever opinion you want and people will follow you. Women love whatever opinion their man has, and they will love you if you are true to yourself and reveal your power level.
+Dont be a sperg nationalist, be a Chad. Looks are part of it, but character is another big part of it.
+--- 21990037
+>>21987744 (OP)
+This is probably about Freudian repression, decades before Freud.
+--- 21990271
+>>21987744 (OP)
+>Is this just plain wrong? Imagine showing your power level 
+"The worst things, however, are the petty thoughts. Verily, better to have done evilly than to have thought pettily!
+To be sure, ye say: “The delight in petty evils spareth one many a great evil deed.” But here one should not wish to be sparing.
+Like a boil is the evil deed: it itcheth and irritateth and breaketh forth—it speaketh honourably.
+“Behold, I am disease,” saith the evil deed: that is its honourableness.
+But like infection is the petty thought: it creepeth and hideth, and wanteth to be nowhere—until the whole body is decayed and withered by the petty infection.
+To him however, who is possessed of a devil, I would whisper this word in the ear: “Better for thee to rear up thy devil! Even for thee there is still a path to greatness!”—"
+--- 21990336
+>>21987748
+he'd quickly become the most obnoxious faggot on that entire site.
+--- 21990358
+>>21987748
+>imagine Nietzsche with a twitter account
+"Just see these superfluous ones! Sick are they always; they vomit their bile and call it a newspaper. They devour one another, and cannot even digest themselves."
+
+"And believe me, friend Hullabaloo! The greatest events—are not our noisiest, but our stillest hours.
+Not around the inventors of new noise, but around the inventors of new values, doth the world revolve; inaudibly it revolveth."
+
+"Slow is the experience of all deep fountains: long have they to wait until they know what hath fallen into their depths.
+Away from the market-place and from fame taketh place all that is great: away from the market-Place and from fame have ever dwelt the devisers of new values.
+Flee, my friend, into thy solitude: I see thee stung all over by the poisonous flies. Flee thither, where a rough, strong breeze bloweth!
+Flee into thy solitude! Thou hast lived too closely to the small and the pitiable. Flee from their invisible vengeance! Towards thee they have nothing but vengeance.
+Raise no longer an arm against them! Innumerable are they, and it is not thy lot to be a fly-flap."
+--- 21990406
+>>21990037
+Freud just continued Nietzsche's psychological project.
+--- 21990537
+>>21987811
+If you’re talking to stupid people they’re not going to understand what you’re saying. People filter your words and hear what they want to hear. They can take your words and weaponize them by using them out of context.
+--- 21990564
+He probably is talking about more important matters between you and the people you care about and not random hot takes you have to discuss with strangers
+--- 21990706
+>>21990564
+Half his books are random hot takes retard
+--- 21990812
+>>21990706
+"We should beware of living in an environment where we are neither able to maintain a dignified silence nor to express our loftier thoughts, so that only our complaints and needs and the whole story of our misery are left to be told. We thus become dissatisfied with ourselves and with our surroundings, and to the discomfort which brings about our complaints we add the vexation which we feel at always being in the position of grumblers. But we should, on the contrary, live in a place where we should be ashamed to speak of ourselves and where it would not be necessary to do so."
+--- 21991018
+>>21990406
+I agree, this is especially clear if you compare with GoM.
+--- 21991294
+>>21987744 (OP)
+Friedrich is right. You are wrong, OP.
+--- 21992074
+Just thinking how he went nuts before writing his magnum opus makes me sad.

lit/21987762.txt

@@ -34,3 +34,79 @@ Being a "male feminist" is pussy repellent
 --- 21989110
 >>21987762 (OP)
 That's a man
+--- 21989130
+>>21987762 (OP)
+You don't have to read books you don't want to read to impress women. Most women knows it when you're trying too hard.
+Just be kind, anon. Kindness impress people. Also, intelligence impress people.
+Do you know how desperate you sound? Do you know how silly you sound saying "yeah I agree with Sorkin" and the girl are like "what?" Telling everyone you're a pro-feminist is not going to work. Relationships don't have to be political.
+--- 21989166
+>>21987771
+>you impress actual women with cock
+YWNBAW
+--- 21989168
+She's too ugly for one of these threads.
+--- 21989191
+>>21987762 (OP)
+>doing shit to impress women
+Lmao you're so whack
+--- 21989199
+>>21987786
+nothing more retarded than taking seriously women, whether for sex or anything else
+--- 21989204
+>>21987762 (OP)
+Every woman is unique and has different tastes in things.
+--- 21989487
+>>21987762 (OP)
+no fucking way people are taking this question seriously
+--- 21989498
+youre talking about women
+fucking harry potter
+--- 21989535
+A qt was holding Kafka on the shore the last time I was travelling. I couldn't strike a conversation but I'd assume you read those kind of books.
+--- 21990414
+>>21987762 (OP)
+Any woman who would care about feminist writers will be completely disgusted with you by virtue of you being a man.
+--- 21990440
+Women are impressed when you know infinitely more than them about real adult things, things that men care about, and treat them like dumb little children who read Harry Potter. You have to do it with class and can't seem like you care or have anything to prove. You just know that women are dumb and frivolous and like Harry Potter. Aim for the level of benign condescension that a young woman's slightly distant professor father has for her precocious attempts to impress him. 
+
+You never want to actually descend to the level of women. They know that that level is only for them. Any man who descends to participate women activities like being into children's media, being silly and femininely frivolous, being easily emotionally perturbed, being constantly unstable and needing reassurance, is a failed man, because he's like a woman. You want to be like Father, who is never weak and whose approval is always just out of reach. Women ideally want to date one of those hallways in nightmare scenes in movies, where the more you walk down the hallway the farther away the end of the hallway gets. Imagine yourself as hiding behind a large cardboard Gigachad wearing an expensive suit at the end of such a hallway. Stand behind the Gigachad cardboard both backhandedly and condescendingly praise and show disdain for the woman's efforts to reach you. Then she will fall in love with you forever. There's a revolver behind the Gigachad cardboard for when you want to kill yourself when you realize this is all women ever were.
+--- 21990480
+>>21987771
+How can something be considered alt shit and trendy at the same time?
+--- 21990539
+>>21990440
+Now this is a post
+--- 21990597
+book a visit with a plastic surgeon and get chin and jaw implants, that's 50% of what makes women impressed, rest is height
+--- 21990870
+>>21990480
+there is no such thing as subcultures anymore. Since about middle 2010s, social media has turned everything into one amorphous mass. Today, you’re either a normalfag who posts bland shit on insta and snapchat for faux popularity or some super duper contrarian alt girl who totally supports blm, lgbt, climate change and 1000 other completely mainstream things that people in the previous category only tacitly support but don’t make a fuss of it. Genuine counterculture is now exclusive to Costa Rican Coconut Breaking forums like this one because there is no name attached to this post so some jealous monkey can’t cancel me on twitter over my oh so offensive and hurtful comments. Literal fucking Soviet kitchen talk society desu.
+
+To answer your question, just look for the nearest indie coffee shop and notice what the girl with obvious daddy issues read. That’s your modern “counterculture” literature. Fuck this gay world.
+--- 21990880
+>>21989130
+based gentle-pilled human anon
+--- 21990940
+>>21990870
+good post but who are those fags?
+--- 21991014
+>>21990940
+e-celebs, influencers, multi millionaires
+--- 21991690
+>>21987783
+This is women in a nutshell, really. The more OOGA BOOGA you are with women, the more pussy you get. Obviously don't hit them over the head with a club but I've met borderline retarded dudes get pussy, no problem. You just have to learn to let loose and not take women seriously, AT ALL
+--- 21991696
+>>21990440
+Damn. Dark ending but pretty on point. 
+
+I would also add that, yes, all women are essentially the same unless they're autistic. Lawyers, cashiers, doctors, baristas... At the end of the day, none of them can open the pickle jar
+--- 21992019
+>>21990870
+Online personality cults are the closest thing to sub-cultures that exist. Be that in the most commercially viable form, that being Influencers, or online micro-forum radicalization feedback loops overseen by sociopathic "thought leaders" who end up dictating the minutia of their followers lifestyles. 
+Generally these are characterized not by breaks but pockets of intensity.
+--- 21992149
+>>21987786
+In my experience, it depends on the woman. Is there a particular one you're trying to impress?
+
+>why do you immediately revert to that
+Did you forget what site you're on?

lit/21987764.txt

@@ -34,3 +34,118 @@ Of twenty millions that have read and spouted this thunder-speech of the Erdgeis
 >For sale: shotgun, used once.
 --- 21987976
 "And, as you might imagine, I consider that I have an obligation to discharge. I fully intend to spend the rest of my existence here as Masaq' Hub for as long as I'm needed or until I'm no longer welcome, forever keeping an eye to windward for approaching storms and just generally protecting this quaint circle of fragile little bodies and the vulnerable little brains they house from whatever harm a big dumb mechanical universe or any conscience malevolent force might happen or wish to visit upon them, specifically because I know how appallingly easy they are to destroy. I will give my life to save theirs, if it should ever come to that. And give it gladly, happily, too, knowing that trade was entirely worth the debt I incurred eight hundred years ago, back in Arm One-Six.
+--- 21989458
+>>21987886
+--- 21989644
+>>21987764 (OP)
+What I wanted was to die among strangers, untroubled, beneath a cloudless sky. And yet my desire differed from the sentiments of that ancient Greek who wanted to die under the brilliant sun. What I wanted was some natural, spontaneous suicide. I wanted a death like that of a fox, not yet well versed in cunning, that walks carelessly along a mountain path and is shot by a hunter because of its own stupidity.
+--- 21989660
+Then he lifted Turin to his shoulder, and cried to his men: 'Let the heir of the House of Hador see the light of your swords!' 
+And the sun glittered on fifty blades as they leaped forth, and the court rang with the battle-cry of the Edain of the North: Lacho calad! Drego morn! Flame Light! Flee Night!
+--- 21989665
+>>21989644
+if your goal is sullied innocence you are way past the point of being innocent
+--- 21989740
+Slowly crossing the deck from the scuttle, Ahab leaned over the side and watched how his shadow in the water sank and sank to his gaze, the more and the more that he strove to pierce the profundity. But the lovely aromas in that enchanted air did at last seem to dispel, for a moment, the cankerous thing in his soul. That glad, happy air, that winsome sky, did at last stroke and caress him; the step-mother world, so long cruel--forbidding--now threw affectionate arms round his stubborn neck, and did seem to joyously sob over him, as if over one, that however wilful and erring, she could yet find it in her heart to save and to bless. From beneath his slouched hat Ahab dropped a tear into the sea; nor did all the Pacific contain such wealth as that one wee drop.
+--- 21989765
+I will share this on any occasion possible.
+>Hairy as a satyr, flat-backed, with slack, drooping buttocks that rather resembled a pair of dirty rags flapping upon his upper thighs; the skin of those buttocks was, thanks to whipstrokes, so deadened and toughened that you could seize up a handful and knead it without his feeling a thing. In the center of it all there was displayed -- no need to spread those cheeks -- an immense orifice whose enormous diameter, odor, and color bore a closer resemblance to the depths of a well-freighted privy than to an asshole; and, crowning touch to these allurements, there was numbered among this sodomizing pig's little idiosyncrasies that of always leaving this particular part of himself in such a state of uncleanliness that one was at all times able to observe there a rim or pad a good two inches thick. Below a belly as wrinkled as it was livid and gummy, one perceived, within a forest of hairs, a tool which, in its erectile condition, might have been about eight inches long and seven around; but this condition had come to be the most rare and to procure it a furious sequence of things was the necessary preliminary. Nevertheless, the event occurred at least two or three times each week, and upon these occasions the Président would glide into every hole to be found, indiscriminately, although that of a young lad's behind was infinitely the most precious to him.
+--- 21989928
+>>21987764 (OP)
+Imagine casually walking into that room with a sledge hammer and sneaking up behind this girl, raising the hammer above your head, and with all your might, slamming it directly onto her upper back, crushing her spine and paralyzing her then screaming bloody murder and running at everyone else at the gym until they scatter out of the gym - this girls wails and cries echoing off the walls as everyone else scrambles for the door. Then locking the gym door and slowing making your way back to this girl as she twitches and breathes agonaly then beating her head in with your fists until she is barely conscious and stripping her pants off then positioning her limp legs wide open and forcing the sledge hammer handle into her pussy, all the way up until it can go any further. I'd drag her body, hammer still in pussy, all the way to the front door where people helplessly watched. I'd position her bottom so they could see the hammer handle sticking out of her pussy and go get a dumbbell, flip her onto her stomach, and position it under her face then make her bite onto the dumbell handle. I'd pull sledge hammer out of her pussy, slap her ass a few times to get a good feel of it, raise the hammer above my head again, and then bring it down as hard as I could to the back of her head, American History X style, crushing her skull in front of whoever was brave enough to watch from outside. I'd then reach into her gashed open skull and grab as much brain matter as I could, open the door, and run at the people outside - trying to smear as much of it on them as I could.
+--- 21989942
+>>21987886
+Kek wtf lmao
+--- 21989945
+>>21989928
+You genuinely scare me, anon.
+--- 21989986
+If he had smiled why would he have smiled? To reflect that each one who enters imagines himself to be the first to enter whereas he is always the last term of a preceding series even if the first term of a succeeding one, each imagining himself to be first, last, only and alone whereas he is neither first nor last nor only nor alone in a series originating in and repeated to infinity.
+--- 21990054
+>>21989928
+Sorokin?
+--- 21990142
+>>21989765 Where is this from?
+--- 21990167
+>>21987764 (OP)
+“He was quick and alert in the things of life, but only in the things, and not in their significances.”
+--- 21990188
+>>21990142
+120 Days of Sodom
+--- 21990193
+"Where I want to start telling is the day I left Pencey Prep. Pencey Prep is this school that’s in Agerstown, Pennsylvania. You probably heard of it. You’ve probably seen the ads, anyway. They advertise in about a thousand magazines, always showing some hot-shot guy on a horse jumping over a fence. Like as if all you ever did at Pencey was play polo all the time. I never even once saw a horse anywhere near the place. And underneath the guy on the horse’s picture, it always says: “Since 1888 we have been molding boys into splendid, clear-thinking young men.” Strictly for the birds. They don’t do any damn more molding at Pencey than they do at any other school. And I didn’t know anybody there that was splendid and clear-thinking and all. Maybe two guys. If that many. And they probably came to Pencey that way."
+
+I like this part from The Catcher In the Rye. I mean, when I was a student I couldn't help but think that school is actually ineffective in producing out geniuses. I always felt like the smarter kids are just... are. Hardly that I see dunce students become geniuses without private tutoring. And this is, like, way too real.
+--- 21990201
+Suppose that you were sitting down at this table. The napkins are in front of you, which napkin would you take? The one on your ‘left’? Or the one on your ‘right’? The one on your left side? Or the one on your right side? Usually you would take the one on your left side. That is ‘correct’ too. But in a larger sense on society, that is wrong. Perhaps I could even substitute ‘society’ with the ‘Universe’. The correct answer is that ‘It is determined by the one who takes his or her own napkin first.’ …Yes? If the first one takes the napkin to their right, then there’s no choice but for others to also take the ‘right’ napkin. The same goes for the left. Everyone else will take the napkin to their left, because they have no other option. This is ‘society’… Who are the ones that determine the price of land first? There must have been someone who determined the value of money, first. The size of the rails on a train track? The magnitude of electricity? Laws and Regulations? Who was the first to determine these things? Did we all do it, because this is a Republic? Or was it Arbitrary? NO! The one who took the napkin first determined all of these things! The rules of this world are determined by that same principle of ‘right or left?’! In a Society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, this World has been operating by this napkin principle. And the one who ‘takes the napkin first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers’. In the case of this table, the ‘eldest’ or the ‘Master of the party’ will take the napkin first… Because everyone ‘respects’ those individuals.
+--- 21990259
+>>21990201
+Valentine's philosophy is predicated on him being on top and society respecting his napkin-picking. His philosophy fell apart because Johnny, Julius, Diego and the nun just went off and grabbed whatever napkin they wanted.
+--- 21990290
+Context: A man who has been exiled to Siberia for years is about to be released from a cancer ward. He considers staying with a doctor he's fell in love with, if just for one night, but can't remember how to act like a normal, well-adjusted person.
+
+He could not think of her either with greed or with the fury of passion. His one joy would be to go and lie at her feet like a dog, like a miserable beaten cur, to lie on the floor and breathe on her
+feet like a cur. That would be a happiness greater than anything he could imagine. But such kind animal simplicity-arriving and prostrating himself at her feet-was of course something he could not allow himself. He would have to utter polite, apologetic words, then she'd have to
+do the same, and she would, because this was the complicated way things had been arranged for many thousands of years. Even now he could see her as she was yesterday, with that glow,
+that flush on her cheeks as she said, "You know, you could quite easily come and stay with me-quite easily!" That blush would have to be redeemed. He couldn't let it touch her cheeks again, he would have to get round it with laughter. He couldn't let her make herself embarrassed again, and that was why he had to think up a few first sentences, sufficiently polite and humorous to soften the strangeness of the situation: his calling to see his doctor, a young woman living
+on her own, with the intention of staying the night-goodness knows why. But he'd rather not think up sentences, he'd rather open the door, stand there and look at her, and call her Vega from the start,
+that was essential-"Vega! I've come!"
+--- 21990296
+>>21990193
+Catcher in the Rye always hits me close, even though I can hardly relate to Holden's particular life situation. Something about his cynicism which is continually rethought because of his self-consciousness. The feeling that you are mad or upset at the world but have no reason to be because your only failing is yourself.
+--- 21990418
+>>21987764 (OP)
+>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water.
+--- 21990519
+>>21990259
+Respect
+--- 21990525
+>>21987764 (OP)
+>It was the best of times. It was the blurst of times.
+--- 21990549
+If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
+If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
+If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
+Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
+It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
+Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
+It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
+Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
+For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
+When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
+For now we are seeing through a mirror, in an enigma but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
+And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
+--- 21990616
+>>21990296
+>The feeling that you are mad or upset at the world but have no reason to be because your only failing is yourself.
+>have no reason to be
+if what he say about no seeing a fucking horse and no seeing molding anywhere more in that place than in another. why that is no a reason to be mad or upset?. why are you failing yourself if you are conscious of little bullshits like that?. to me your thinking is a hiper-individualist, almost solipsistic take in life in general. even if it sounds counterintuitive.
+--- 21991549
+>>21987764 (OP)
+Don't really have any single favorite, so I'll just post two I liked from what I've read recently.
+
+And it came to me that these trees had been hardly smaller when I was yet unborn, and had stood as they stood now when I was a child playing among the cypresses and peaceful tombs of our necropolis, and that they would stand yet, drinking in the last light of the dying sun, even as now, when I had been dead as long as those who rested there. I saw how little it weighed on the scale of things whether I lived or died, though my life was precious to me. And of those two thoughts I forged a mood by which I stood ready to grasp each smallest chance to live, yet in which I cared not too much whether I saved myself or not. By that mood, as I think, I did live; it has been so good a friend to me that I have endeavored to wear it ever since, succeeding not always, but often.
+
+And what of the dead? I own that I thought of myself, at times, almost as dead. Are they not locked below ground in chambers smaller than mine was, in their millions of millions? There is no category of human activity in which the dead do not outnumber the living many times over. Most beautiful children are dead. Most soldiers, most cowards. The fairest women and the most learned men—all are dead. Their bodies repose in caskets, in sarcophagi, beneath arches of rude stone, everywhere under the earth. Their spirits haunt our minds, ears pressed to the bones of our foreheads. Who can say how intently they listen as we speak, or for what word?
+--- 21991563
+>>21990296
+I'm not 
+>>21990616
+
+Well, I would say, Holden failed to fit in with people, it kinda make him at fault.
+
+We're not always better than others or even what we think we are. Self-awareness is a blessing and to improve ourselves from being self-aware... that shit is better than good sex.
+--- 21991573
+When the shadow of the sash appeared on the curtains it was between seven and eight o' clock and then I was in time again, hearing the watch. It was Grandfather's and when Father gave it to me he said I give you the mausoleum of all hope and desire; it's rather excruciating-ly apt that you will use it to gain the reducto absurdum of all human experience which can fit your individual needs no better than it fitted his or his father's. I give it to you not that you may remember time, but that you might forget it now and then for a moment and not spend all your breath trying to conquer it. Because no battle is ever won he said. They are not even fought. The field only reveals to man his own folly and despair, and victory is an illusion of philosophers and fools.
+--- 21991788
+I'm all these words, all these strangers, this dust of words, with no ground for their settling, no sky for their dispersing, coming together to say, fleeing one another to say, that I am they, all of them, those that merge, those that part, those that never meet, and nothing else, yes, something else, that I'm something quite different, a quite different thing, a wordless thing in an empty place, a hard shut dry cold black place, where nothing stirs, nothing speaks, and that I listen, and that I seek, like a caged beast born of caged beasts born of caged beasts born of caged beasts born in a cage and dead in a cage, born and then dead, born in a cage and then dead in a cage, in a word like a beast, in one of their words, like such a beast, and that I seek, like such a beast, with my little strength, such a beast, with nothing of its species left but fear and fury, no, the fury is past, nothing but fear, nothing of all its due but fear centupled, fear of its shadow, no, blind from birth, of sound then, if you like, we'll have that, one must have something, it's a pity, but there it is, fear of sound, fear of sounds, the sounds of beasts, the sounds of men, sounds in the daytime and sounds at night, that's enough, fear of sounds all sounds, more or less, more or less fear, all sounds, there's only one, continuous, day and night, what is it, it's steps coming and going, it's voices speaking for a moment, it's bodies groping their way, it's the air, it's things, it's the air among the things, that's enough, that I seek, like it, no, not like it, like me, in my own way, what am I saying, after my fashion, that I seek, what do I seek now, what it is, it must be that, it can only be that, what it is, what it can be, what what can be, what I seek, no, what I hear, I hear them, now it comes back to me, they say I seek what it is I hear, I hear them, now it comes back to me, what it can possibly be, and where it can possibly come from, since all is silent here, and the walls thick, and how I manage, without feeling an ear on me, or a head, or a body, or a soul, how I manage, to do what, how I manage, it's not clear, dear dear, you say it's not clear, something is wanting to make it clear, I'll seek, what is wanting, to make everything clear, I'm always seeking something, it's tiring in the end, and it's only the beginning.
+--- 21991997
+"Perhaps they won't find out, perhaps they won't notice," groaned the pale Klapaucius, gazing up incredulously at the black emptiness of space and not daring to look his colleague, Trurl, in the eye. Leaving him beside the machine that could do everything in n, Klapaucius skulked home and to this day the world has remained honeycombed with nothingness, exactly as it was when halted in the course of its liquidation. And as all subsequent attempts to build a machine on any other letter met with failure, it is to be feared that never again will we have such marvelous phenomena as the worches and the zits—no, never again.
+--- 21992032
+The gypsy smiled and said that as a child he had traveled a good deal in the land of the gavacho. He said he’d followed his father through the streets of western cities and they collected odds of junk from the houses there and sold them. He said that sometimes in trunks and boxes they would come upon old photographs and tintypes. These likenesses had value only to the living who had known them and with the passage of years of such there were none. But his father was a gypsy and had a gypsy mind and he would hang these cracked and fading likenesses by clothespins from the crosswires above the cart. There they remained. No one ever asked about them. No one wished to buy them. After a while the boy took them for a cautionary tale and he would search those sepia faces for some secret thing they might divulge to him from the days of their mortality. The faces became very familiar to him. By their antique clothing they were long dead and he pondered them where they sat posed on porchsteps seated in chairs in a yard. All past and all future and all stillborn dreams cauterized in that brief encapture of light within the camera’s closet. He searched those faces. Looks of vague discontent. Looks of rue. Perhaps some burgeoning bitterness at things in fact not yet come to be which yet were now forever past
+
+The photographs that hung from the wire became for him a form of query to the world. He sensed in them a certain power and he guessed that the gorgios considered them bad luck for they would scarcely look at them but the truth was darker yet as truth is wont to be
+
+What he came to see was that as the kinfolk in their fading stills could have no value save in another’s heart so it was with that heart also in another’s in a terrible and endless attrition and of any other value there was none. Every representation was an idol. Every likeness a heresy. In their images they had thought to find some small immortality but oblivion cannot be appeased. This was what his father meant to tell him and this was why they were men of the road. This was the why of the yellowing daguerreotypes swinging by their clothespegs from the crosswise of his father’s cart
+
+He said that journeys involving the company of the dead were notorious for their difficulty but that in truth every journey was so accompanied. He said that in his opinion it was imprudent to suppose that the dead have no power to act in the world for their power is great and their influence often most weighty with just those who suspect it least. He said that what men do not understand is that what the dead have quit is itself no world but is also only the picture of the world in mens hearts. He said that the world cannot be quit for it is eternal in whatever form as are all things within it. In those faces that shall now be forever nameless among their outworn chattels there is writ a message that can never be spoken because time would always slay the messenger before he could ever arrive

lit/21987836.txt

@@ -11,3 +11,20 @@ Yes.
 He got his knowledge from Aegyptians (Africans).
 --- 21988963
 >>21987836 (OP)
+--- 21989149
+You forgot
+>First Options trader, invented the concept of the option and applied it to olive presses to make himself rich on a dare.
+--- 21989208
+>>21988960
+Egyptian mathematics was basically limited to arithmetic with fractions and knowledge of the existence of some pythagorean triples. Thales did proofs about circles, nothing like what he did survives in any records of egyptian mathematics.
+--- 21989217
+>>21988963
+>science is bad because this news article is dumb
+Truly you have a dizzying intellect
+--- 21991106
+bump
+--- 21992833
+Look at who possibly influenced him and create an accurate timeline of that period.
+--- 21992841
+>>21987836 (OP)
+how did greeks and romans do math if they hadn't discovered zero yet?

lit/21987977.txt

@@ -30,3 +30,45 @@ Good parts of this trilogy:
 3rd book - when they go into 4D
 
 7.5/10 interesting ideas but most of the characters suck. The main girl in the 3rd book was a waste of space with no redeeming qualities.
+--- 21989185
+>>21987977 (OP)
+Completely agree.
+Especially that "Madone of the East", that girl is so fucking insufferable, and especially all the characters who interacts with her and give her the golden ticket because she's hot. Loved the first and second book, but third was a huge letdown.
+--- 21989224
+>>21988830
+I kinda want to read it, why not. If it's retarded then I can shitpost about it not being canon
+--- 21989225
+>>21989185
+>>21988904
+>reading sci fi for the characters
+--- 21989358
+>>21988107
+i hated wandering earth and couldn't even finish it but i've read the 3bp trilogy three times. The quality difference is gargantuan. Don't cancel the guy because of wandering earth and seriously try 3bp
+--- 21989956
+>>21988830
+>written in a week
+--- 21989963
+Kant retroactively refuted this book's attempt to describe non-dimensional phenomena, not gonna read it
+--- 21990738
+>>21988107
+Why do you hate it so much? Who hurt you anon?
+--- 21991394
+>>21988904
+
+Now that you mention it. The part about 4D was indeed fascinating and well written. But it was a bit of a "stretch" for the droplets to attack the neutrino deterrence ship exactly when it entered the special space "bubble". Not the most unbelievable coincidence, but this is when the story took a nose dive
+--- 21991660
+>>21988107
+Four centuries prior to the events of the story, astrophysicists discover that a rapid acceleration in the conversion of hydrogen to helium will cause the Sun to go supernova, destroying the Earth and the Solar System. In response, humanity establishes a global government known as the Coalition, which embarks on an ambitious project to move the Earth to the Proxima Centauri planetary system, which lies 4.3 light years away.
+
+
+This is gay. The Sun is powered by electromagnetism, the Birkeland Currents that connect it to the greater universe. The sun is not a nuclear furnace that will die out from loss of hydrogen. Our sun already goes nova on a recurrent scale. Every 12k years we get a nova. That is way cooler than stupid unproven nuclear furnace bullshit, too.
+--- 21991987
+>>21987977 (OP)
+I read about this book in another book (Doom - Ferguson). Pretty much described it as CCP propaganda
+--- 21992951
+>>21987977 (OP)
+I thought it was dumb at the time, but now, months after reading these books, the idea of the "dark forest" gives me major anxiety.
+--- 21992984
+>>21987977 (OP)
+This guy has it >>21991987
+China is an authoritarian state which stifles individual expression and therefore creativity. I wouldn't read this garbage while winnie the pooh is still the defacto dictator.

lit/21988111.txt

@@ -17,3 +17,59 @@ i there anything more TRANNY than this phrase
 --- 21988865
 >>21988111 (OP)
 would you say it's....beyond your comprehension?
+--- 21989282
+>>21988681
+Dagon's cult is probably full of trannies. Many fish can change sex naturally, after all.
+https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmRRHk98yVu0QgiaVuXHF3NeKIxeSWgU2
+--- 21989294
+>>21988111 (OP)
+he had plenty of bizarre creatures living around him to base them off
+--- 21989301
+>When I was 6 or 7 I used to be tormented constantly with a peculiar type of recurrent nightmare in which a monstrous race of entities (called by me 'night-gaunts'—I don't know where I got hold of the name) used to snatch me up by the stomach...and carry me off though infinite leagues of black air over the towers of dead and horrible cities...The "night-gaunts" were black, lean, rubbery things with bared, barbed tails, bat-wings and no faces at all. Undoubtedly I derived the image from the jumbled memory of Doré drawings (largely the illustrations to 'Paradise Lost') which fascinated me in waking hours.
+>They had no voices & their only form of real torture was their habit of tickling my stomach... before snatching me up & swooping away with me. . . . They seemed to come in flocks of 25 or 50, & would sometimes fling me one to the other.
+--- 21989332
+>>21988681
+NTA but
+--- 21989525
+>>21988464
+I have it and can confirm it the niggerword remains unchanged
+--- 21989541
+Give it to me straight. Was he an atheist or is he a subconcious prophet for the Typhonian Ordo Templis Orientalis?
+I don't think I could read an atheshit
+--- 21989552
+>>21989294
+OG Chud.
+--- 21990124
+>>21989541
+>subconcious prophet
+How can we know what he was subconsciously? If you believe something subconsciously, then you don't even know you believe it yourself.
+There are real life black magicians who claim to have got real results from his work, so make of that what you will. The only way you'd know for sure would be to try summoning the Old Ones yourself and see what happens (although you might go insane in the process).
+--- 21990127
+>>21988111 (OP)
+for me it was The Haunter of the Dark.
+--- 21990170
+The postwar boom was the nicest iteration of modern first world life. It obviously wasn't a utopia though. Suburbia is intrinsically neurotic. It was a consumerist society.
+--- 21990315
+>>21989294
+Gave me a good chuckle. I hope he rests well.
+--- 21991353
+>>21988464
+the first edition of this came out riddled with typos, which were corrected. so make sure you're getting the 2011 edition and not the 2008
+--- 21991365
+>>21989294
+>The crazy thing is not what Adolf wants, but the way he starts out to get it.
+Hitler did some things wrong.
+--- 21991567
+Few beings have ever been so impregnated, pierced to the core, by the conviction of the absolute futility of human aspiration. The universe is nothing but a furtive arrangement of elementary particles. A figure in transition toward chaos. That is what will finally prevail. The human race will disappear. Other races in turn will appear and disappear. The skies will be glacial and empty, traversed by the feeble light of half-dead stars. These too will disappear. Everything will disappear. And human actions are as free and as stripped of meaning as the unfettered movements of the elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, sentiments? Pure ‘Victorian fictions.’ All that exists is egotism. Cold, intact, and radiant.
+--- 21991662
+>>21989294
+Kek you don't get good old fashioned racist authors like this anymore. I'd rather have that than this dumbfuck smoke show of virtue signaling
+--- 21991765
+>>21988464
+I have it, but am annoyed because of the order that the stories are in. It would not have been difficult to put all the dreamlands stories in order, but NO, the just couldn't be bothered... So you have to dodge back and forth to read them in the order that they were meant to be read in.
+--- 21991794
+>>21991662
+t. Facebook boomer
+--- 21992558
+>>21988464
+I own it and it's exactly as written. No censorship of any kind. Nigger-Man is Nigger-Man.

lit/21988165.txt

@@ -114,3 +114,75 @@ Also, it is necessary to read the Bible in the Sod sense, no Pshat
 --- 21989087
 >>21988186
 Except Thomas who was rewarded for his skepticism with touching Christ's crucifixion wounds.
+--- 21989504
+>>21988730
+Yes this anon fucks, read Johannes de silentio
+--- 21990798
+>>21989087
+>Except Thomas who was rewarded for his skepticism with touching Christ's crucifixion wounds.
+Jesus set an example
+--- 21990813
+I'd recommend you read Fear and Trembling by Kierkegaard but you'll probably be filtered by that too
+--- 21990828
+My favourite parts of the Bible are when God randomly attacks people e.g. wrestling Jacob in the middle of nowhere or attacking Moses and forcing Zipporah to perform emergency circumcision to save him.
+--- 21990855
+>>21988165 (OP)
+his son wasnt the protagonist so he didnt matter
+--- 21991058
+How come different Christians sometimes have complete opposite views on things?
+For example, compare the pope in this picture to what this Orthodox guy says in this video.
+https://youtu.be/asfgJ9YOeQU [Embed]
+--- 21991145
+>>21988201
+Most people don't read the Bible but come here and bitch about it
+--- 21991275
+>The tragic hero has need of tears and claims them, 
+and where is the envious eye which would be so barren that it could not 
+weep with Agamemnon; but where is the man with a soul so bewildered 
+that he would have the presumption to weep for Abraham?
+--- 21991282
+>>21991275
+Once again cucked by copying from a pdf. When will they outlaw this useless file format
+--- 21991295
+>>21991058
+>How come different people have different views!!! Also why are murderers sometimes religious??? Aren't religious people all the same and perfect!!
+Are you perhaps from Reddit? Or 13?
+--- 21991318
+>>21988165 (OP)
+Knowing that 99% of the Bible is symbolic. I am sure it was yet another typical symbol story.
+--- 21991325
+>>21991318
+>Knowing that 99% of the Bible is symbolic.
+The Bible is both literal and symbolic. Not merely one or the other.
+--- 21991330
+>>21991325
+No, a lot of the supposed literal parts of the Bible are also symbolic. Including Peter fishing in the sea, how many days Jesus was in the tomb etc. Its amazing how much of the Bible is symbolic.
+--- 21991343
+>>21991330
+No it's both.
+--- 21991346
+>>21991330
+https://youtu.be/qLnOA2NdYjc [Embed]
+--- 21991359
+>>21988165 (OP)
+brainwashed by religion
+--- 21991372
+From an atheist viewpoint, this is the story of how the Jews stepped away from barbaric child sacrifice and the New Testament is the story of how Christians revived the concept with an adult sacrifice.
+--- 21991381
+>>21991372
+>From an atheist viewpoint
+This video will explain objectively why atheism is false.
+https://youtu.be/x6wUqoJXKHs [Embed]
+--- 21991425
+>>21991381
+Ha-ha. Primitive people believed that god resided in nature--the river, the wind, and the clouds. Then as now, atheists look upon the gullible believers and shake their heads.
+--- 21991430
+>>21991425
+This is not an argument. It is merely emotional manipulation.
+>Haha, you don't want to be one of those silly religious people do you? We enlightened atheists are superior. Heh heh heh.
+--- 21991440
+>>21991430
+Few atheists are trying to manipulate anyone. You're fully entitled to your faith--as they say, "whatever gets you through the night."
+--- 21991560
+>>21991440
+Anyone ever notice how gay and annoying atheists are? Oh yes everyone has noticed.

lit/21988239.txt

@@ -97,3 +97,188 @@ It's a masterpiece.
 --- 21989057
 >>21988816
 This.
+--- 21990022
+>>21988905
+Don't you know capitalism is freedom, chud?
+--- 21990082
+>>21988239 (OP)
+>When did you understand that Randism is a disease?
+Is this /leftypol/ new strategy spam the same thread over again until someone actually belives their garbage? Get a job nigger.
+--- 21990105
+>>21988369
+>stirner based
+That's where you are wrong, Stirner is just a funny meme, and that's just because that funny portrait
+--- 21990233
+>>21988879
+Disappointing, I thought that everyone would just start clapping and decide that the Ayn Rand mouthpiece is right about everything like in Fountainhead.
+--- 21990238
+>>21988239 (OP)
+
+Poor people are just as selfish and greedy as rich people. What don't you faggots understand
+--- 21990426
+>>21990022
+You are accusing a communist of being a chud? What? Maybe try not farting out pointless banal posts once or twice.
+--- 21990493
+>>21988859
+It's literally Dagney, the Rand self-insert. Only she's a woman so neither 50s/60s men would acknowledge it, nor /lit/ from any decade
+--- 21990503
+>>21988825
+Point well expanded. And scarface is a great movie, but the pacing suffers in the second half.
+--- 21990876
+>>21988437
+Lol, no Rothbard fucking hated her. Are you being retarded on purpose?
+--- 21990915
+>>21988243
+Based
+--- 21991079
+>>21988239 (OP)
+God, the way she writes horny women... she could've writen some great smut. The argentinian guy is so hot.
+--- 21991096
+>>21989057
+i just recently finished this and it made me regret not having one of those stereotypical rand phases in my teens that the libs are always on about. it could have unfucked my 20s
+--- 21991130
+>>21988816
+Yup. She was a prophetess, right down to the directed energy sonic weapon. 
+5g plus the vax. You watch.
+--- 21991165
+>>21990876
+Leftists don't know anything about lib-right. lmao
+--- 21991187
+>>21988369
+I sense latent faggot tendencies
+--- 21991397
+Atlas Shrugged is long-winded romance novel with a philosophy that simply echoes Nietzsche. This appeals to a lot of "misunderstood" pseudo-intellectual adolescents.
+--- 21991446
+>>21988239 (OP)
+If you’re poor get a job.
+--- 21991462
+>>21991096
+Same. Spent my 20s going through a marxist and then reactionary phase, really unhealthy mindsets, just grew out of it and found myself enjoying this book I had scoffed at the whole time. Better late than never I guess
+--- 21991467
+>>21988879
+kek
+Why are autists like this?
+--- 21991481
+>>21991462
+>going through a marxist and then reactionary phase
+Tell us you overdosed on continental philosophy without telling us.
+--- 21991506
+>>21991397
+Nice seethe but you forgot to mention she ended up on welfare.
+--- 21991775
+Live for yourself; there's no one else more worth living for.
+Begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more.
+-"Anthem", Rush
+--- 21991803
+>>21988816
+
+Garbage, boring, stupid.
+
+you can't just make up a fantasy world where you are right and point to it as a defense of your bad politics.
+--- 21991930
+>>21991803
+It's not fantasy.
+Have you seen the world around you lately?
+It's practically prophecy.
+--- 21991956
+>>21991930
+She predicted the fate of Detroit while it was still the richest city in the world.
+--- 21992065
+>>21991803
+Actually you can, and it will sell 10 million copies despite every chic ‘in touch with the masses’ leftist intellectual talking about how much it sucks
+--- 21992073
+>>21988437
+--- 21992142
+>>21988239 (OP)
+
+Can you name a single part of the book that espouses either of those ideas?
+--- 21992150
+>>21988437
+
+Across the internet there is a minimum 10:1 ratio of people who seethe about Rand vs. people who adore her.
+--- 21992309
+>>21988369
+Stirner understood the importance of socialism and worker emancipation
+--- 21992326
+Ayn Rand is a visionary philosopher who dared to challenge the collectivist, statist, and fascist dogmas of her day. She affirmed the individual's right to pursue his rational happiness without obstacles or sacrifices imposed by society. She celebrated the virtue of rational selfishness, which consists in acting according to one's own reason and not living for others, praising the talents of entrepreneurs, inventors, and philanthropists who are the engines of human progress. It denounces the state tyranny that stifles individual freedom and initiative in the name of the common good. Her view is based on the principles of reason, logic, science, and objective empirical evidence. She offers a defense for the most beautiful of human emotions, one that is often maligned but the single greatest force of progress known to man: greed, desire for material comfort.
+--- 21992337
+>>21992326
+fuck you disgusting capitalist sociopath
+--- 21992345
+>>21988239 (OP)
+
+Rand was a fucking idiot, but for fuck's sake don't you have any other fucking book you'd like to talk about? 
+
+If you must talk about Rand, why are you so obsessed with Atlas Shrugged? Atlas Shrugged is her worst novel, why don't you talk about Anthem, or The Fountainhead, or take a wild leap and try We The Living? Any of those are more interesting (and frankly, better written) than this one tome you keep harping on about.
+--- 21992350
+>>21988879
+How droll. Pure seething jealousy and rage. This summary is a crude and dishonest caricature of the book Atlas Shrugged, which distorts and ridicules its content and message. He uses pejorative and sarcastic terms to denigrate the novel's characters, events, and ideas, without regard to their context and meaning. The mark of a critique driven by resentment.
+
+>>21992337
+And thus, the primal hatred in it's even cruder, more barbaric form, an example of the same sentiments of resentment expressed by a lower IQ individual
+--- 21992355
+>>21992350
+There is no deep meaning. It's as superficial and surface level as it gets.
+--- 21992367
+>>21992350
+shut the fuck up pseud
+--- 21992370
+>>21992355
+>>21992367
+Absolutely braindead simpletons driven by resentment of the successful and intelligent. The lessers not knowing their place. Tragic, yet predictable. If a peasant knew any better, they would not be in such a position.
+--- 21992395
+>>21992337
+You literally couldn't seethe online without the benefits of capitalism.
+Your computer/phone, your Internet connection, 4chan...all made/owned by private enterprise.
+Burn, pseud.
+--- 21992482
+>>21991165
+Clearly
+--- 21992487
+>>21991467
+Why are neurotypicals such colossal faggots?
+--- 21992490
+>>21991462
+I never spent much time on the left unless you count a brief window in 2017-2019
+--- 21992508
+>>21988239 (OP)
+its kind of weird how everyone considers capitalism selfish. to make a profit, you have to consider and understand what other people want.
+--- 21992520
+>>21991803
+>you can't 
+
+She did and you are still seething about it 66 years later. Leftists really only have social pressure and emotion on their side, just politely tell them 'no' and do it anyway, they are either stunned into silence or fly off the handle. Magical to see in real life.
+--- 21992533
+>>21988239 (OP)
+so poor people bad? rich and powerful good and poor people should suffer cuz life? you fucking edgy faggots are so insufferable. you retards always side with the villains
+--- 21992562
+>>21992533
+Have you read the book?
+--- 21992563
+Observe: nothing makes the collectivist seethe more than those who plainly assert that man is not a sacrificial animal
+
+>>21992508
+That’s the real irony of it. Socialists act like capitalists are so greedy and sociopathic, but capitalists only profit by anticipating and providing people with the goods and services they want. Meanwhile, the socialist always assumes they know what you want out of life better than you do
+--- 21992578
+>>21988239 (OP)
+You can enjoy litterature without giving credit to the author's beliefs. I have my reservations about objectivism but I can appreciate good writing when I see it ; Atlas Shrugged is by and large her worst book and yet it's still a beautifully written masterpiece full of bitter grace. Rand was a litterary genius whether you like her or not.
+--- 21992591
+>>21992578
+This. I'm a full-blown commie but Rand's books are fun page-turners with crazy plots, fun characters, and the occasional hilariously bad screed. Entertaining books.
+--- 21992613
+Eddie Willers deserved better, desu
+--- 21992704
+>>21988239 (OP)
+You need a book - a book written by a woman - to tell you that?
+--- 21992767
+>>21988239 (OP)
+based rand if true. never read her
+>>21988898
+yeah, women's lit is not worth reading
+--- 21992900
+>>21992309
+Please be baiting
+--- 21992954
+>>21988239 (OP)
+More like
+>I worked very hard to have this and authorities have no right to take it away from me because people thad didn't work as hard nor are creative enough to generate new wealth exists

lit/21988320.txt

@@ -41,3 +41,22 @@ I leaned an elbow on the counter, crossed one foot behind the other and took a l
 The smile on his face was getting strained. I could hear his shoes creak as he squirmed. If there’s anything worse than a bore, it’s a corny bore. But how can you brush off a nice friendly fellow who’d give you his shirt if you asked for it?
 
 “I reckon I should have been a college professor or something like that,” I said. “Even when I’m asleep I’m working out problems. Take that heat wave we had a few weeks ago; a lot of people think it’s the heat that makes it so hot. But it’s not like that, Max. It’s not the heat, but the humidity. I’ll bet you didn’t know that, did you?”
+--- 21990518
+>>21989066
+Lol based
+--- 21990591
+>>21988349
+--- 21990636
+>>21988320 (OP)
+Note From The Underground, all of it but specifically the passage where he obsesses over finally bumping into the stud officer on the boulevard (and chickens out every time).
+--- 21991055
+>>21988320 (OP)
+Georgi the Ponygirl.
+--- 21991247
+>>21989066
+This is the funniest fucking shit I've ever read. It's like Foghorn Leghorn meets Patrick Bateman.
+--- 21991495
+>>21988320 (OP)
+--- 21992977
+>>21991247
+I laughed at the extract, then your comment made me double down on the laughing.

lit/21988377.txt

@@ -13,3 +13,87 @@ Why was the little whore messaging him in the first place? Simple as.
 --- 21988656
 >>21988503
 shut up john
+--- 21989175
+>>21988377 (OP)
+I would slap that mother fucker silly of he ever bent my softback book like that and split the spine.
+--- 21989180
+>>21988377 (OP)
+Whomst?
+--- 21989184
+>>21988377 (OP)
+Ebert's a good teacher or lecturer but there are so many other tells that he's a philistine. Look at the Beksiński in the background there. I also know he thinks Van Halen is the greatest band of all time. He also has an awkward penchant of inserting his own ersatz personal taste into a would-be canonical overview of philosophical or artistic history, which is probably a trick that works on the particularly feeble-minded, though not so much on those who graduated high school.
+--- 21989198
+this guy is pure proof that dedicating your life to literature and having "reading books" as your personality trait is a miserable existence
+--- 21989307
+>>21989184
+Aesthetics isn’t about judgment it’s about experience.
+--- 21989322
+>>21988377 (OP)
+>reading paperbacks
+No way fag
+--- 21989334
+Get me up to speed with picrel.
+--- 21989355
+>>21988377 (OP)
+Anything by Stephen King. Does that make me kind of twisted?
+--- 21989594
+>>21989334
+John David Ebert on YouTube
+--- 21989602
+>>21989184
+I enjoy his personal taste insertions, especially when he says that materialists are “DEAD WRONG” or has a small melt down over astrology.
+T. philistine
+--- 21989667
+Thoughts on JDE interviewing Heidegger through a Medium?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5odHfTbfp1M [Embed]
+--- 21989691
+>>21989667
+Haven’t watched any of his medium interviews. Hasn’t he also done Nietzsche and Spengler? What do you think of it?
+--- 21989693
+>>21989667
+
+Why would he waste a medium on fucking Heidegger? Why not talk to Jesus, Socrates or Alexander the Great?
+--- 21989792
+>>21988377 (OP)
+His astrology readings are too expensive.
+--- 21989799
+>>21988380
+He got evicted and now lives somewhere other than pic rel I think. Not sure if art is up.
+--- 21989857
+>>21989198
+But I thought that reading books is all that there was to life....
+--- 21989918
+>>21989175
+Why am I turned on by people who protects books?
+
+I was like, yeah, "Get him anon!"
+--- 21990282
+>>21988377 (OP)
+me reading judge holden's monologue.
+--- 21990487
+>>21990282
+The Judge is JDE in my mind’s eye
+--- 21990657
+>>21989792
+How much does he charge?
+--- 21991411
+>>21990657
+150 USD for 1 hr live astrological reading, if I remember correctly. If it was 50 USD, I would do it. I'm not the type to haggle, so I just didn't respond back.
+--- 21991510
+>>21991411
+I didn’t know he offered astrology readings. I’d slide him $50 or $100 but I agree $150 is pushing it
+--- 21991604
+>>21989693
+>he thinks you need a medium to talk to Jesus
+Anon I have some great news for you.
+--- 21992362
+>>21989799
+Oof.
+But I checked his YT and if he didn't get evicted again then it's up on his new wall, too.
+He paid 60 bucks for it, plus shipping :^)
+--- 21992506
+>>21988656
+People don’t blame women enough and that’s a bad thing
+--- 21992509
+>>21989184
+Van Halen is great, piss off

lit/21988402.txt

@@ -3,3 +3,54 @@
 Do you guys like Edward Abbey? He's probably the most based author of the late 20th century
 --- 21988462
 >>21988355 → I dunno. My favorite part so far was when he was just goofing around in the park and playing with snakes. But that seems like it'll be a small part of it
+--- 21989171
+>>21988402 (OP)
+Eh. All I remember from reading him years ago was him rolling around drunk and having sex in cow shit.
+--- 21989830
+Who
+--- 21989931
+>>21988402 (OP)
+I just read Down the River and he's pretty fun. The Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance review reads like a car forum post lol.
+--- 21990169
+>>21988402 (OP)
+Really liked Desert Solitaire, absolutely hated Monkey Wrench Gang. 
+Anything else worth reading for someone like me?
+--- 21990202
+>>21988402 (OP)
+Loved it. (Desert Solitaire) Very cool dude.
+I think I’ll post him in those “literally me” threads, if I get a chance. 
+
+>>21989171
+And what book was this?
+--- 21992028
+>>21988402 (OP)
+wtf I just finished watching Triangle of Sadness and they quote this guy.
+--- 21992087
+hes just another of >those kind of authors. not sure why 4chan latched onto him
+--- 21992140
+>>21992087
+>>those kind of authors
+wdym
+--- 21992213
+>>21988402 (OP)
+He's just okay.
+--- 21992663
+>>21992140
+He’s a chud, and not allowed by his congregation to think of such things as freedom or a world without diesel engines
+--- 21992715
+>>21990169
+His letters are really good. He was an extremely cantankerous guy who attacked pretty much every critic and ideologue in America
+>>21990202
+based
+>>21990169
+Desert Solitaire is the real masterpiece. MWG is fun but sort of empty
+>>21992028
+really? Didn't know that
+>>21992087
+An angry man with alot of swagger and conviction? Yeah I wonder why we would like him
+--- 21992788
+>>21992140
+>>21992715
+Oh come off it man. I mean he's just another of those 'edgy' authors from the 70s who when you go back and read them now there's just nothing really there. 
+>angry man with a lot of swagger and conviction
+Guess you read a different book. He just seemed kinda petty and annoying. The whole chapter about how he can do national parks better was just funded. Its just not interesting to read because he lost. We lost. All his hand wringing and grumbles amounted to nothing and frankly the problems he's bitching about are puny. And I don't care about the more gossipy shit he descends into. Just seems like a shame to be surrounded by all that beauty and focus so much on how much humans piss you off

lit/21988516.txt

@@ -1,3 +1,69 @@
 -----
 --- 21988516
 Writers you fucking hate
+--- 21989167
+>>21988516 (OP)
+All of them. They're fucking horrible.
+--- 21989471
+>>21988516 (OP)
+Bradbury, Christ, what a self-important hack.
+--- 21989475
+>>21988516 (OP)
+This guy. Pretty glad he killed himself
+--- 21989482
+>>21988516 (OP)
+That piece of shit always writing in my journals.
+--- 21989488
+>>21988516 (OP)
+Brecht. Him and the circlejerk around him encapsulate everything wrong and contraselective about 20th century art.
+--- 21989490
+Richard Brautigan. In Watermelon Sugar almost gave me a damn nervous breakdown. Fuck that book and fuck him.
+--- 21989494
+>>21988516 (OP)
+I can't stand him; his style is infuriating, sickening even. I don't even mind the general themes, his writing is just totally insufferable. I can feel his arrogance oozing through the page.
+--- 21989506
+>>21989494
+I'd tolerate a thousand Pounds and Nabokovs before I could tolerate the morally smug types. You know, the sort of people who are really proud of having all the right opinions about everything and would never say anything mildly divisive.
+--- 21989627
+>>21988516 (OP)
+oscar wilde
+--- 21989634
+>>21988516 (OP)
+I don't like Patrick Rothfuss or Robert Jordan because they manage to use a lot of words yet say nothing interesting.
+--- 21989657
+>>21988516 (OP)
+Haha Bookchin actually made me stop reading books about politics(and after a couple of years stop bothering with politics altogether), because his were so boring. I am eternally indebted
+--- 21989672
+Haruki Murakami
+Jordan Peterson
+--- 21989674
+>>21989471
+And the self-insert in his Fahrenheit book
+--- 21989681
+Anne Frank's Dad
+--- 21989688
+Hemingway
+--- 21989755
+>>21988516 (OP)
+Me
+--- 21989757
+>>21989688
+Why?
+--- 21991798
+>>21988516 (OP)
+Joyce. What a tool.
+--- 21991804
+>>21989490
+Why's that? I just picked up a collection of his books the other day, haven't read it yet. Seems pretty promising though
+--- 21991841
+>>21988516 (OP)
+the smartest guy he knew
+--- 21991852
+>>21988516 (OP)
+my friend Tom, total hack and boring to be around.
+--- 21991859
+>>21988516 (OP)
+Dosto. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in his books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.
+--- 21991883
+>>21989490
+Nah, in the Brautigan spirit I will not be mean to you, but he is my favorite writer

lit/21988750.txt

@@ -30,3 +30,51 @@ https://ctext.org/dao-de-jing
 Bumping with interest
 I recently read the lathe of heaven and was inspired by its themes, thinking of trying to learn more about daoism and eastern religion/philosophy in general
 Is tao TE ching a good place to start or should I start somewhere else
+--- 21989150
+>>21988971
+Yes it's good.
+--- 21989163
+Heaven and Earth are not Good they treat the thousands of things like straw dogs
+The Wise Person is not Good he treats the hundred clans like straw dogs
+--- 21989173
+Nature is not human hearted.
+--- 21989226
+>>21989163
+>>21989173
+
+Heaven and Earth are impartial;
+they treat all of creation as straw dogs.
+The Master doesn’t take sides;
+she treats everyone like a straw dog.
+
+The space between Heaven and Earth is like a bellows;
+it is empty, yet has not lost its power.
+The more it is used, the more it produces;
+the more you talk of it, the less you comprehend.
+
+It is better not to speak of things you do not understand.
+--- 21989349
+I was reading the Tao te Ching alongside some commentaries about it and it mentioned in the 10th chapter when it mentions "In the opening and shutting of his gates of heaven" the "gates of heaven" refers to pussy. Was Lao and his tao a coombrain?
+--- 21989362
+>a movement is accomplished in six stages, and the seventh brings return. 
+
+>fire upon the mountain, the image of the wanderer. 
+
+>life springing forth from within the earth, the image of the creative. (visita interiora terrae rectificando invenies occultum lapiden)
+
+Wilhelm is the best translation.
+--- 21989484
+>In a little state with a small population, I would so order it, that, though there were individuals with the abilities of ten or a hundred men, there should be no employment of them; I would make the people, while looking on death as a grievous thing, yet not remove elsewhere (to avoid it).
+>Though they had boats and carriages, they should have no occasion to ride in them; though they had buff coats and sharp weapons, they should have no occasion to don or use them.
+>I would make the people return to the use of knotted cords (instead of the written characters).
+>They should think their (coarse) food sweet; their (plain) clothes beautiful; their (poor) dwellings places of rest; and their common (simple) ways sources of enjoyment.
+>There should be a neighbouring state within sight, and the voices of the fowls and dogs should be heard all the way from it to us, but I would make the people to old age, even to death, not have any intercourse with it.
+--- 21990226
+>>21989484
+What does he mean?
+--- 21990420
+>>21988750 (OP)
+Eternal reminder to look directly at the moon, don't let the finger pointing at the moon get in the way.
+--- 21991399
+>>21990226
+That society should just be villages of uneducated farmer peasantry that are content with simple living in their comfy town.