Echoing that statement, Kaliardos, an industry legend himself, adds that the conversation between the trio came about from their shared views on the state of photography today: "Photographers are often put up against the wall to create in a very commercial way: you need an asset for social, something for the advertiser, something for the magazine, and you need to shoot this kind of designer, and they don’t like it when the girl looks like this so you have to shoot them like that, etc."