But you love playing with makeup...

"I definitely play a lot with makeup. Beauty is something that... is just so infinite, but also, so dictated by what we want to look like. It's always been something I'm fascinated by, like using the face as a place to paint. I think there's something very advantageous about makeup, but it's also a way to manipulate gazes, which I'm constantly trying to deal with and play with, like how do I make people look at me like this, or how to make them not look at me."