I can understand why people say that because it's not necessarily pretty – it depends what you think is beautiful. I don't think of it as anti-beauty, I think of it as being free and as being beauty that you decide for yourself. It's not dictated to you by any trend or by wanting to look like a celebrity. One of my biggest fascinations is how people customise their makeup, like running their eyeliner with the finger, or rubbing around the edge of the lip to make it blurred because then it looks part of the face. I like how people tweak their beauty. I don't find pinpoint perfection particularly beautiful, I find it a bit empty. Having an ideal of beauty to me suggests that if there is an ideal, then everyone is going to want it and therefore everybody's going to look the same, and they pretty much are at the moment.