“I mean that would have been the one Jobsian lesson she could have learned,” Gibney waxed, “is that things really got good at Apple when — after he failed at Next — [Steve Jobs] surrounded himself with really talented people who were willing to say no to him from time to time. And that made the company really powerful. That's not something that Elizabeth wanted to hear. And when she heard no, by all accounts, she marginalized people. That's why the Ian Gibbons story is in there. Or Tony Nugent. You know, they were marginalized if they raised a ruckus like this isn't working because they were like 'Oh, you just don't get it, you're not forward leaning enough.'”