But if there is a hidden agenda, and Rwanda's interest is more or less controlling the mining concessions and all that, illegally, and if they have a hand in each and everything that goes on in North and South Kivu, then we're still a long way from trust. 
Lakini kama kuna ajenda ya siri, na maslahi ya Rwanda ni kutaka kudhibiti uchimbaji wa madini na mambo kama hayo kinyume cha sheria, na kama wana mkono kwenye kwenye kila jambo linaloendelea Kivu ya kaskazini na Kusini, basi bado tupo mbali sana na kuaminiana.