henderson waves ya, mount faber ya but <mandarin>我是:wo shi</mandarin> another way round <mandarin>我是:wo shi</mandarin> mount faber then <mandarin>走到:zou dao</mandarin> henderson then <mandarin>然后走到:ran hou zou dao</mandarin> hortpark, ya


[orh], ah you,


oh my god


[orh] [orh]


<mandarin>因为我妈妈每次很担心:yin wei wo ma ma mei ci hen dan xin</mandarin> like <mandarin>如果太早还是太晚:ru guo tai zao hai shi tai wan</mandarin> then <mandarin>还很黑的时候她就不敢她就没有:hai hen hei de shi hou ta jiu bu gan ta jiu mei you</mandarin>


, we just walk from like ground we just walk from like, ya we just walk from like , like on the you know legit pathway uh not the you know all those like bridge


park there we just legit walk on the pathway then after that <mandarin>慢慢走回来就是有经过:man man zou hui lai jiu shi you jing guo</mandarin> #depot road# <mandarin>那边:na bian</mandarin> you know one seven five bus, ya along that way, ya you know that way right <mandarin>那团那段路有大概有三公里:na tuan na duan lu you da gai you san gong li</mandarin> eh


!wah!


actually wait


oh my


so what time your class gonna start, twelve, !wow!, a great day to start work


tomorrow is what oh tomorrow is friday already right, so fast, no we going to the foodlink


cause I think jocelyn went went to the foodlink before with <mandarin>她的:ta de</mandarin> friend


!whoa!


!wah!, are you the like the rice type or the noodle type,


I prefer <mandarin>面:mian</mandarin> though I'm the like the <mandarin>面:mian</mandarin> kind of person


oh, oh my god I'm excited for it though


, !wah!, ah


oh my god looking forward to it


ya, after we graduate from secondary school right then we never see her


, ya


all those, [orh] #swee choon# , oh man,


oh my god but it's a good training, I must say, , !wah! impactful


have you have you try the have you try before the I don't know how to pronounce the shop name the, , ya the one at the #tiong bahru# they know they got like all those like Matcha Mochi and all those like matcha


chiffon thing like they pack in the small packing one, like you know, really


really, , okay I like I like bitter I want to taste that you know the Matcha taste


okay I, ya ya because I walk passed yesterday I was like thinking is the Mochi nice or like the cream puff so if you say the cream puff is not bad then maybe I will just go buy


, ya eh <mandarin>它很多店好:ta hen duo dian hao</mandarin> mah


before <mandarin>没有可是我懂那种:mei you ke shi wo dong na zhong</mandarin> clementi mall I think west side got a lot like Jurong


[orh] is it called Matchaya, I think it's called Matchaya, really, oh my god is worth eh is like Shopee or what


really, well I, I think I think it's like higher grade though


oh my god, cute


you know I like, oh my god you know I like all those like <mandarin>发糕:fa gao</mandarin> thing because I like all those chiffon you know all those like pandan chiffon cake, ya, I think you should, oh my god you should


oh my god thank you so much, big oh, you know okay is only available at <mandarin>他们的:ta men de</mandarin> website don't know is it still got or not though


nine ninety eh I think it's good, oh my god I gonna see the website later


, I mean is it are they like quite new, but oh


err wait where is it ah, [orh] the but then the #warabi mochi# hor oh [orh] okay lah okay lah nine ninety still can accept, have you try the the okay also like something like that one I don't know okay I don't really know how to pronounce their brand it's called Tsuji is T U T S U


I don't know leh my friend like that but I went to try with her I think it's not bad lah, ya


oh my oh my god I I think I just gonna, I just gonna like order that powder right then I go there and collect then I go see what's good, oh really okay okay okay , okay after the call we decide the date


eh still got though, I mean like still got, oh my god, can also, eh, I think you have to get something vegan eh and because <mandarin>你那边有没有什么牛奶对不对:ni na bian you mei you shen me niu nai dui bu dui</mandarin> oh lactose free


oh my god #warabi mochi# right is vegan eh


I forgot I think you know you know japan right got all those <mandarin>很多:hen duo</mandarin> Mochi Mochi you know got this Mochi with the strawberry one that one is nice eh


actually right <mandarin>我们可以问一下:wo men ke yi wen yi xia</mandarin> jie hui <mandarin>如果她要不要买如果她要不要去那边吃因为那边很很靠近她的学校:ru guo ta yao bu yao mai ru guo ta yao bu yao qu na bian chi yin wei na bian hen hen kao jin ta de xue xiao</mandarin> eh, you know err yesterday she posted like the Havla


drink, so I went to ask her, so I went to ask her like you went back again ah after that she say err she only <mandarin>打包:da bao</mandarin> the drink then after that walked back to school and study, !wah! like sounds like a plan ah


you know I think her school right still open for like I mean for hers for their student lah they still can go back and like you know study in the library but we can't because like we are totally block, ya


but <mandarin>如果很晒的时候你会觉得:ru guo hen shai de shi hou ni hui jue de</mandarin> unbearable <mandarin>如果是这种天气:ru guo shi zhe zhong tian qi</mandarin> I don't mind ah but like, ya <mandarin>因为:yin wei</mandarin> I think <mandarin>她可以进去:ta ke yi jin qu</mandarin> library <mandarin>可是我们不可以进去我们只可以在那个:ke shi wo men bu ke yi jin qu wo men zhi ke yi zai na ge</mandarin> open space just <mandarin>是那个:shi na ge</mandarin> tea party there right, ya which I don't mind also but I don't know is it got wifi or not


ya sia oh my god they got Kombucha, tea eh you know like Kombucha right still <mandarin>没有:mei you</mandarin> like


, !wow!


really okay because err my my friend and I we went to try Kombucha err tea from this shop, it's like near I think raffles one then


digestion right because I heard a lot of good things about Kombucha like you know can help with like err bloated stomach and all those because I would I get bloated very easily like <mandarin>我:wo</mandarin> just <mandarin>吃东西:chi dong xi</mandarin> right


actually <mandarin>我的胃很不好:wo de wei hen bu hao</mandarin> eh actually <mandarin>我的胃我的胃:wo de wei wo de wei</mandarin> hor <mandarin>就是:jiu shi</mandarin> stomach, right your stomach also not good right


!wah!, you know <mandarin>我:wo</mandarin> oh my god you know <mandarin>我以前想上学的时候就是:wo yi qian xiang shang xue de shi hou jiu shi</mandarin> like I think


!hais!, I mean like <mandarin>我可以排便可是:wo ke yi pai bian ke shi</mandarin> like you know everyday right they say you have to at least like pass motion for like two times, but mine is right ya ya


but it's like it's it's it's good to have like you know pass motion two times but, but right <mandarin>我:wo</mandarin> also like <mandarin>几天都没有排便:ji tian dou mei you pai bian</mandarin> one leh


eh prunes help but prunes <mandarin>很甜:hen tian</mandarin> leh, oh


(mmhmm), oh my god


, , ya but you know I, I went to try the chocolate soy it's quite sweet though


ah, ,


I think because your sister like drink drink like drink drink sweet stuff


chocolate ya if I went to try I think it's not bad but then it's like it's quite sweet lor it's like <mandarin>我只可以喝半杯每次可是我一直会:wo zhi ke yi he ban bei mei ci ke shi wo yi zhi hui</mandarin> refill lah <mandarin>所以:suo yi</mandarin> like I don't know what I'm talking about, [orh] cereals


ya you know okay now last time I can't eat oats but now right I can eat like overnight oats so, ya I put in the fridge so last time right I can't even eat oats like I like even if its overnight right I don't even


, ya ya ya


ya I put chia seeds also because okay the Chia seed my sister bought from overseas so it's like much cheaper, so I I put like Chia seed also then after that err I will just put it overnight lor then after that the next day I will just pour some granola or like cereal on top of it


no leh mine is just raw oats, no need mine is the you know the <mandarin>老人牌:lao ren pai</mandarin> one, [orh], [orh] [orh] ya ya ya you told me before


(mmhmm), is it wait is it just purely like oats and like water is it must have


some sweetener also right that, [orh]


, oh my god that's a lot


(uh huh)


, what's <mandarin>本身没有甜度的:ben shen mei you tian du de</mandarin> eh, oh my god


do you make a huge huge mess , [orh]


then you, [orh] <mandarin>你:ni</mandarin> just <mandarin>煮:zhu</mandarin> or like you know, overnight oats


/就是那个老人\, ya, oh ya ya ya can can can oh ya I never think of it hor maybe I should like


ya but it tasted ok lah it's not like <mandarin>很:hen</mandarin> fancy like <mandarin>很好喝:hen hao he</mandarin> but it's still can accept, I think I added just like err the low fat milk, or like Meiji milk


I don't know why right, ya ya I don't know I don't know why right <mandarin>我跟我姐姐:wo gen wo jie jie</mandarin> like <mandarin>长大:zhang da</mandarin> right


chocolate milk, I think last time I got drink before


but Meiji coffee milk a bit <mandarin>甜甜:tian tian</mandarin> though


but then but then


ya I I I know like you don't eat cheese


but just curious if you can, , [orh] so wait so you can eat like baked rice the cheese lah


(oo)


maybe maybe, oh my god , oh my god


oh really,


and right okay what I want to say err okay so because that day right my my house got the power updates right, ya got the power updates right so right, so right we went to like vivo


yup, okay I'll plug in my earpiece as well


thank you, I will also do my best in terms of code switching so I'll be a bit more formal because err since this is a research project that we are working for,


[orh] okay that's interesting so you have been to China err for the past six months or, err, [orh] you was away in in China !wow! that's interesting so which which part of China and err


what what did you do there


I see I see all all for leisure ah I mean it's a it's a it's a day I mean it's a with your friends or with a like a tour group


, ya ya ya so is like not is you just work and then at night you just go out and play lah


!wah!, so so which which is the most interesting place in in China you have been to, based on your experience ah that two months there


uh ya,


!huh!, yup


uh, (mmhmm)


, ya, so the so the bigger cities are, more or less the same lah because they're all globalised ah very busy kind of lifestyle that people live in the cities


err, so so the so this <mandarin>石岛:shi dao</mandarin> is a bit more err laid back ah, is it, uh, then err for for me ah I I'm not err I've not I've not been out of Singapore for this year lah


!walao!, , so err <mandarin>去年:qu nian</mandarin> ah !wah!, !wah! <mandarin>我:wo</mandarin> Sibei Jialat, previously previous year lah previous year <mandarin>我有去过:wo you qu guo</mandarin> Australia lah


uh but Australia <mandarin>我只我只是去那些:wo zhi wo zhi shi qu nei xie</mandarin> err bigger the bigger cities lor like global global cities lor like Sydney and Melbourne err Gold err Gold Coast ah ya, ya those those areas uh ya those err more modernised more globalised [orh] because err actually I also want to relax ah but then err my personality is not suited to go tour to like go and explore


as in my personality is not those not so much to go and explore the you know those those relaxing villages and all those lah I prefer like city where you can go and eat go and shop that kind, so so err my preference for my preference for


for like travel and leisure is slightly different ah, , ya ya ya, ya, but as, ah


what though, [orh] <mandarin>第一个我我旅游的时候说我会去找吃的懂的吃的地方:di yi ge wo wo lv you de shi hou shuo wo hui qu zhao chi de dong de chi de di fang</mandarin> ah, like <mandarin>一向:yi xiang</mandarin> when <mandarin>我去:wo qu</mandarin> Australia <mandarin>的时候:de shi hou</mandarin> I remember <mandarin>他们那边有一个很特别的地方就是那个:ta men na bian you yi ge hen te bie de di fang jiu shi na ge</mandarin> fish market


cause I'm a I'm a seafood lover lah so I I personally like to eat seafood a lot lah so is a very good experience for me lor because they actually catch the the the fish and the you know the oysters and mussels from the nearby fishery


, (mmhmm), ya ya ya err, ya


oh


I think I think you are right lah that err when I was there fourteen fifteen dollars can get you can get a very good fish and chips ah, , uh


seven hundred for two weeks ah, !wah!, , but err


three point five K AUD ah [orh] for for seven to eight hours of work ah <mandarin>每天只需要做工做七八个小时:mei tian zhi xu yao zuo gong zuo qi ba ge xiao shi</mandarin> ah


[orh],


(oo), , at least <mandarin>八个小时:ba ge xiao shi</mandarin> ah everyday


!huh!, , <mandarin>没做工没有钱拿:mei zuo gong mei you qian na</mandarin> !wah!


uh but actually I think everywhere <mandarin>没有没有做工没有钱拿:mei you mei you zuo gong mei you qian na</mandarin> ah I mean you have you have to work to to earn money what no meh, no which which country give you free money one tell me I want to go


!huh!


[orh] so is err what do you call that they volunteer to retire lah because they have the capability to retire and not because they are forced to retire lah right


Germany ah, I see, err


, Mercedes Benz oh Mercedes Benz is a German brand ah I didn't know that eh, !wah!


uh, uh, [orh] I see I see so the their, the but the research and development is also there lah, cause is, I see, [orh] production maybe they outsource is it


okay


Mercedes Benz ah, ya


their headquarters is in Stuttgart ya, also German ah, !wah! I didn't know that


BMW err is also German also German


ya they they also manufacture aircraft, engines according to Google, uh, [orh] so maybe they


they combine both ah, I see so they probably do airplane as well lah motor motor vehicle


err basically cars trucks bus, bus then on the air one also they do


uh, ,


ya, man what is MAN Truck uh Mercedes ah you


[orh], , so is another is another so is basically another brand that they produce err buses ah, uh okay okay,


I see I see, !wah! eh but but actually I think the best right or in term of car manufacturer right I think is err from Japan eh, Toyota,


Nissan ah, ya they they


, ya lah budget budget Toyota is actually a brand that is well known with budget lah but


I think that's how they steal other people's business ah or gain market share, but then actually ah err now Toyota right they also they also want to branch into luxury already, you know they have this brand called Lexus ah Lexus is actually under Damen


ya Lexus is under Toyota then Lexus is a it's actually slightly more luxury lah slightly more pricier so it's not really a budget car but it's like I would say but also not not not so pricey until like Ferrari or a Porsche like that lah I think it's like err so called like a middle upper class kind of brand lah right


but it's not super high end lah right not super high end


ya, considered cheap ah, how much is the car in Dubai do you know or not


err Dubai average car price ah


oh <mandarin>我觉得是那个他们那边的人有钱:wo jue de shi na ge ta men na bian de ren you qian</mandarin> eh, (uh huh)


uh, three hundred and fifty no you you say you say three hundred and fifty K SGD lah Singapore dollars ah, !wah! three hundred and fifty K actually, the, comparatively is cheaper lah is cheaper lah hor


, , , ya lah last year's news ah


!wah!, Huracan ah,


ya, is also is is still much cheaper lah, how much is it in Singapore ah the same car at least I think at least one mil right or eight hundred K ah


, tax on the price on the car this kind but you are not importing yourself lah you will go to a dealer or like a official err dealer to buy right this kind of thing


, ya


so you what, I see so what you are saying is the cost eventually come back to you lah as the as the buyer


!whoa!, current topic about minimum wage uh


(uh huh)


uh, no lah where got, if you err,


but but minimum wage ah actually minimum wage ah, the the real the real meaning behind minimum wage is actually to protect the, the, people who are earning the lowest in the entire society leh


so so this means that let's say because what is happening in Singapore right is that , it is that, then <mandarin>我们是很:wo men shi hen</mandarin> focused on business but the the main the main issue is that when we bring in foreigners in like to do the jobs that we don't want to do so to speak then we pay them a lower wage correct


uh so this part right is that what they're what people are worried about is that because cost of living in Singapore has been going up, but the the thing is when you pay them err when you pay these err foreigners a minimum wage ah I mean not minimum wage but a a lower wage right then companies or businesses will start to think eh if I can pay this guy at a lower wage to do the same job I will definitely pay for him what why


because because is more cost effective mah they want to one thing lah they just want to save cost lah right, so then so then it becomes so then after they they they they know they know that this is a this is this is like a save cost savings for them then they will start to think eh so where can I go and find the cheapest labour


, the cheapest foreigner to do the same job and to be able to save me the most costs so now we are going to that direction then when we go to that direction right a lot of these so called like businesses in Singapore I don't care whether they are for local business or foreign business big or small lah they will start to source for this kind of cheaper labour mah but then as locals right we cannot fight mah because err honestly <mandarin>那那些:na nei xie</mandarin> foreigners right <mandarin>他们来自这边他们是:ta men lai zi zhe bian ta men shi</mandarin> maybe <mandarin>是来三三到五年:shi lai san san dao wu nian</mandarin> then <mandarin>他们赚那个:ta men zhuan na ge</mandarin> Singapore salary then <mandarin>他们去回去他们国家可以买地可以买可以买房子这些可以买车:ta men qu hui qu ta men guo jia ke yi mai de ke yi mai ke yi mai fang zi zhe xie ke yi mai che</mandarin> lah because of the exchange rate


back to this main point the what minimum wage ah is actually to protect against people who are fighting for, , this kind of lower lower skilled and lower labour lower wage job lah


, , ya,


yup,


, ya, yup


ya so so the so the actually hor this this this main thing lah is that the, this kind of construction kind of job right actually they are only issuing work permit mah for foreign worker right or not they are not work what what what does work permit hor according to what MOM website right is actually work permit means ah you are not supposed to stay here for a long term one so when let's say ah just now you say eight hundred dollars right their basic pay then plus the what the Makan fee the lodging fee and all the kind of nonsense lah right err all those err <mandarin>零零碎碎的一些那些杂费:ling ling sui sui de yi xie nei xie za fei</mandarin> lah so so <mandarin>算起来:suan qi lai</mandarin> is about how much you said ah from eight hundred to maybe two thousand is it


err roughly two thousand one see ah two thousand one right the thing is ah if you convert ah let's say let's say you hire a Bangladeshi worker ah I I use Google to just do a quick calculation ah, two thousand one hundred Singapore dollar right is actually ah err wait ah


hundred and thirty, hundred and thirty thousand banglahdashi Taka leh that means in their currency is about hundred and thirty thousand leh, so this two thousand one hundred dollar to them ah okay lah actually don't talk about Bangladesh ah because Bangladesh I I not very familiar with their


their, their, oh you quite so, so so hundred and so hundred and thirty thousand ah, I don't know what you can buy there lah but then definitely there are these money right when they earn right when they go back after maybe say maybe they work here for like three to five years lah is just is a mini or like medium term kind of like situation right maybe they sign the contract with the construction company lah


, so this money to them ah actually right is is how do I put it ah is definitely going to be more than the money that they are going to get right when they go and find a job in in their company in their home country lah <mandarin>所以他们他们拿到那个钱:suo yi ta men ta men na dao na ge qian</mandarin> right is not just the it's not just the two thousand one hundred dollars Singapore dollars is actually the value leh that means like what after three to five years ah so let me do a err just let's say they just get two thousand one hundred dollars lah you times twelve ah


err one year is twenty five thousand two hundred dollars then you times three again lah let's say if I take three years ah is seventy five thousand six hundred dollars ah then this bloody seventy five thousand six hundred dollars right is actually err !wah! nearly five hundred K bangladeshi Taka already eh


, so the so for them to have this kind of money right I think they can do a lot of things leh they can like as in not say to a lot of things but they can err live a very comfortable life in err Bangladesh ah if they choose to go back lah and then like you know err buy a car or buy a house lah because I believe the I don't know you have


more than that ah, !huh! they can buy mansion ah, , !wah!, Siao, so


(uh huh) <mandarin>等一下等一下你你让我讲多一点先因为你我讲我讲我的好像好像不够:deng yi xia deng yi xia ni ni rang wo jiang duo yi dian xian yin wei ni wo jiang wo jiang wo de hao xiang hao xiang bu gou</mandarin> <mandarin>那个那个:na ge na ge</mandarin> , oh err okay okay <mandarin>那个那个:na ge na ge</mandarin> err like let's say for example right okay for a for a Bangladeshi worker there's they earn seventy five thousand six hundred Singapore dollars right but for them you <mandarin>他们可以买一个:ta men ke yi mai yi ge</mandarin> mansion but <mandarin>你看:ni kan</mandarin> ah <mandarin>我们新加坡人:wo men xin jia po ren</mandarin> right let's say we are Singaporean right


and and that one is like seventy five thousand six hundred dollars or is err not <mandarin>还没有算到你的:hai mei you suan dao ni de</mandarin> expenses leh that means <mandarin>你每个月要要还那个:ni mei ge yue yao yao hai na ge</mandarin> transportation fee <mandarin>那些:nei xie</mandarin> like <mandarin>吃:chi</mandarin> uh CPF then <mandarin>又要:you yao</mandarin> like


uh, okay lah I mean CPF actually <mandarin>你买:ni mai</mandarin> HDB <mandarin>可以用:ke yi yong</mandarin> lah <mandarin>所以:suo yi</mandarin> okay lah okay lah <mandarin>可以管一只眼睛:ke yi guan yi zhi yan jing</mandarin> lah but but <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> but <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> like <mandarin>吃的用的要要买东西:chi de yong de yao yao mai dong xi</mandarin> like like <mandarin>你懂那个现:ni dong na ge xian</mandarin> daily living expenses lor <mandarin>那那些都要算进去:na nei xie dou yao suan jin qu</mandarin> so seventy five thousand six hundred <mandarin>如果你真的要去:ru guo ni zhen de yao qu</mandarin> save right actually <mandarin>可以:ke yi</mandarin> lah <mandarin>就是一个政府组屋的一个:jiu shi yi ge zheng fu zu wu de yi ge</mandarin> err <mandarin>一个:yi ge</mandarin> downpayment downpayment <mandarin>华语我不懂怎样讲:hua yu wo bu dong zen yang jiang</mandarin> lah but downpayment <mandarin>就是了:jiu shi le</mandarin> so err so the main point is right actually <mandarin>我讲这样多:wo jiang zhe yang duo</mandarin> right is <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> err the main point is right the value to to the Singaporean and to the Bangladeshi eh actually is different lah so so so ya so actually because it's different so of course from a Singapore even okay now let's say you flip this ah


today right we Singaporean have to go overseas to work, then we come back home we can buy mansion all this you will take the job or not two thousand four hundred dollar let's say lah I will take, why because I know I go there three to five years right <mandarin>我回来:wo hui lai</mandarin> hor <mandarin>我可以住大洋房:wo ke yi zhu da yang fang</mandarin> so it's different story already mah right or not let's say if you flip this story don't say now now the Bangladeshi become Singaporean the Singaporean become Bangladeshi


right or not this is not this is not nationality problem this one is just a matter of being being err realistic <mandarin>你这是个现实的问题:ni zhe shi ge xian shi de wen ti</mandarin> correct or not, ya ya


ah okay okay can, uh


okay


, , , ya, ya lor


, uh, uh


ya, ya


, , , ya ya ya true true


, yes I think it's a it's a it's a good point <mandarin>你讲得对:ni jiang de dui</mandarin> err, but the thing is hor honestly our the countries that we can choose from ah very limited like like just now you say <mandarin>那个美国我们去美国:na ge mei guo wo men qu mei guo</mandarin> go and go and <mandarin>抢人家的饭碗:qiang ren jia de fan wan</mandarin> right I think it's a I think is a is a good thinking


but the thing is right let's say we talked about neighbouring countries alone ah, err neighbouring countries alone ah you see ah our neighbour countries got who ah, err in Singapore one little red dot ah our neighbour countries got, ,


, then err, uh basically you you are quite a ya you basically say everything already lah so the the the


ya but as in my main point is ah you look around the countries okay I just don't need to say all the country lah say one country lah okay Singapore you import a lot of Indians ya like Indian nationals ah got one time the news came out right err the Sikha Sikha the Sikha agreement the one the one go and the the one JP Morgan banker go and scold the err go and scold the security guard one lah that one cause you got you got you got see right that one that one lah so


there is one comment ah, err actually I feel that is quite, is quite funny lah err he say one he, ya he said one thing he say he he say one thing he say one thing brother how many, how the thing is are there are a lot of Indians that want to come over to Singapore to work because high wages they can go back they can buy house buy car


but the thing is, how many Singaporeans want to go to india to to work when their wage is so low right or not, so the thing is the thing is what I'm saying is that right our choices are very limited, so the only country they they can come over and they can come over very easily but the thing is when we go over to other people's country right


the the only countries that we can go to lah I think ah, can count within like one one one hand lah


uh , uh


, , okay, uh USA, , USA uh uh


ya, , France lor France Paris is in France


uh,


, actually eh but actually right actually hor


the companies here ah actually ah can actually send Singaporeans over to, the neighbouring countries ah to be expat also to take the to take the senior position but that is not happening why, because, I also don't know why lah actually but why


what, (uh huh), uh, err


eh I actually I I actually I I I don't know who are who no as in I don't know who are in the watch list because the watch list err is not being err what do you call that ah there are no companies inside one they just they just say like only got forty over companies in the watch list but they never say who mah then the minister come out to say eh you all better go and publish the what what then after that they shoot here and there then in the end also never publish


, ya lah, so err err so so no actually actually <mandarin>还是可以的因为你看:hai shi ke yi de yin wei ni kan</mandarin> ah <mandarin>现在以前:xian zai yi qian</mandarin> #ang moh# <mandarin>比较发达对:bi jiao fa da dui</mandarin> mah then <mandarin>他们现在做那那个那个头:ta men xian zai zuo na na ge na ge tou</mandarin> lah right


right <mandarin>所以所以:suo yi suo yi</mandarin> actually is all starts from the <mandarin>那些公司:nei xie gong si</mandarin> and the company policy <mandarin>他们里面的他们的政策:ta men li mian de ta men de zheng ce</mandarin> lah so the <mandarin>那个最最主要的问题:na ge zui zui zhu yao de wen ti</mandarin> right is that


right <mandarin>他们一直:ta men yi zhi</mandarin> focus on err <mandarin>那些:nei xie</mandarin> like err <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> PMETs from foreign countries


okay okay


, you're Malaysian meh, you are Malaysian meh, [orh], [orh] okay okay,


(mmhmm), ,


I see, ,


, , , actually


ya lor but actually <mandarin>这个这个:zhe ge zhe ge</mandarin> job hop right I think <mandarin>是跳槽:shi tiao cao</mandarin> right, but actually <mandarin>这个这个:zhe ge zhe ge</mandarin> hor <mandarin>这个:zhe ge</mandarin> err <mandarin>这个趋向:zhe ge qu xiang</mandarin> hor <mandarin>这个:zhe ge</mandarin> trend ah, , err actually is not is not only <mandarin>新加坡人:xin jia po ren</mandarin> you know it's not only in in Singapore is <mandarin>其实在中国在很多:qi shi zai zhong guo zai hen duo</mandarin> like err


so is so is


country lah I feel is err more of like a a generation culture lah you know


yeah it did, , , and ya but the thing is but the thing is <mandarin>这个不是这个不是国家的问题:zhe ge bu shi zhe ge bu shi guo jia de wen ti</mandarin> mah as in as in this is not nationality issue <mandarin>这个是:zhe ge shi</mandarin> err generation mah as in I'm sure if like <mandarin>你你换过来:ni ni huan guo lai</mandarin> lah like let's say if in <mandarin>他们的国家:ta men de guo jia</mandarin> next time they for example lah err this this guy from Malaysia right


ya let's say if you go Malaysia KL lah I believe they are also doing the same thing


common <mandarin>的:de</mandarin> actually is only like, like ya lah I but I get what you mean lah like sometimes there are, uh,


, ya, ,


, , actually <mandarin>这样也是不错:zhe yang ye shi bu cuo</mandarin> what <mandarin>这种这种:zhe zhong zhe zhong</mandarin> package like like <mandarin>他们:ta men</mandarin> sponsor <mandarin>你去:ni qu</mandarin> upgrade then after that <mandarin>你回来的时候:ni hui lai de shi hou</mandarin> then <mandarin>他们给你一个:ta men gei ni yi ge</mandarin> like like is like like err


uh, uh


err really meh <mandarin>如果是我我会拿:ru guo shi wo wo hui na</mandarin> leh


(uh huh), (uh huh), uh,


, but <mandarin>那个人给你机会:na ge ren gei ni ji hui</mandarin> Liao leh,


, so,


yup yup yup, , , ya lah but then that's why that's why you are right lah <mandarin>是有很多的那个考量:shi you hen duo de na ge kao liang</mandarin> lah but then the the main thing is you have to decide properly ah then don't don't go and break the bond lah because this kind of bond ah is err I mean it's a big decision


to sign like let's say let's say three years five years this kind of thing lah but it's still a heavy decision but then the thing is the is also a good, good opportunity lah I feel lah like for for youngster ah to to go and learn in a job and then show that you can do it and then like at least that guy is trying to tell you that you know that he feel that you got the potential to become err to become like the someone in the future lah you know


[orh] <mandarin>你你你你你你你是要你是工作为了经验:ni ni ni ni ni ni ni shi yao ni shi gong zuo wei le jing yan</mandarin> ah <mandarin>不不是为了钱:bu bu shi wei le qian</mandarin> ah


(mmhmm), , uh


err, ya not so many you not so many not so many really, uh


, , , as in <mandarin>你讲你讲你在你工作上面需要学到的知识是是有什么样关关于什么样的知识:ni jiang ni jiang ni zai ni gong zuo shang mian xu yao xue dao de zhi shi shi shi you shen me yang guan guan yu shen me yang de zhi shi</mandarin> ah


uh, uh, [orh]


uh, , , [orh]


[orh] [orh] <mandarin>了解了解就是就是:liao jie liao jie jiu shi jiu shi</mandarin> err <mandarin>好好了解了解所以你是你是在做一些:hao hao liao jie liao jie suo yi ni shi ni shi zai zuo yi xie</mandarin> err <mandarin>网上的一些营销:wang shang de yi xie ying xiao</mandarin> lah


[orh] <mandarin>就是这样:jiu shi zhe yang</mandarin> lah [orh] [orh] [orh], uh, uh


uh, design the [orh] design the app <mandarin>就是:jiu shi</mandarin> err <mandarin>等一下:deng yi xia</mandarin> ah, , !huh! <mandarin>你是你是要画图的:ni shi ni shi yao hua tu de</mandarin> ah, uh


[orh] <mandarin>真的:zhen de</mandarin> ah,


, [orh], err


[orh], ,


, , [orh], [orh], I think I think <mandarin>刚才你讲一个一个:gang cai ni jiang yi ge yi ge</mandarin> err <mandarin>重点:zhong dian</mandarin> ah <mandarin>就是那个要跟要跟一位好的师傅去学习:jiu shi na ge yao gen yao gen yi wei hao de shi fu qu xue xi</mandarin> ah <mandarin>这个很重要:zhe ge hen zhong yao</mandarin> ah <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> mentor


uh


, <mandarin>了解了解所以所以你现在做很多东西:liao jie liao jie suo yi suo yi ni xian zai zuo hen duo dong xi</mandarin> lah <mandarin>看起来他很重用你:kan qi lai ta hen zhong yong ni</mandarin> ah


(uh huh)


, [orh], ,


!huh!


, uh,


combined <mandarin>两个在一起:liang ge zai yi qi</mandarin> then, to fight <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> competition <mandarin>对:dui</mandarin> mah


word of mouth lah, !huh! [orh] must ah [orh] okay okay, ,


, ya


, , <mandarin>对对对对对你讲的对就要吸引人就可以了:dui dui dui dui dui ni jiang de dui jiu yao xi yin ren jiu ke yi le</mandarin> lah, eh, then I ask you one more question lah


no but


!hanna! !hanna! but <mandarin>我有我有看到:wo you wo you kan dao</mandarin> but <mandarin>其实因为因为我去那边很多年了:qi shi yin wei yin wei wo qu na bian hen duo nian le</mandarin> mah then <mandarin>我有看它们的那个它们做的那些:wo you kan ta men de na ge ta men zuo de nei xie</mandarin> like err menu ah


then then <mandarin>它我看它们的:ta wo kan ta men de</mandarin> menu <mandarin>有重新有再做:you chong xin you zai zuo</mandarin> then <mandarin>现以前是你去那边是要:xian yi qian shi ni qu na bian shi yao</mandarin> you know err you must err pay by cash ah then <mandarin>现在是什么:xian zai shi shen me</mandarin> pay by only only by err


then err is keeping up with trends ah basically


so so, I don't know but <mandarin>因如果如果我去:yin ru guo ru guo wo qu</mandarin> Malaysia <mandarin>一个:yi ge</mandarin> #dim sum# stall right, !wah! actually why I like to go there you know Malaysia those random #dim sum# stall ah, but because <mandarin>它们是:ta men shi</mandarin> old school mah <mandarin>老字号:lao zi hao</mandarin> mah is is you you go down there you go down there eat they still !wah! serve bring up the the stupid trolley push out to you then you can eat


right or not right or not then ah then you can choose what you want then then just take then aunty just walk away that kind of thing then the teapot also old old one then I mean is <mandarin>那个那个:na ge na ge</mandarin> err <mandarin>风格就不一样:feng ge jiu bu yi yang</mandarin> lah <mandarin>就是我这样我就这样认为:jiu shi wo zhe yang wo jiu zhe yang ren wei</mandarin> ah


Chulia street ah Penang ah, [orh] Penang eh Penang <mandarin>我有去过:wo you qu guo</mandarin> lah Penang Penang <mandarin>那边:na bian</mandarin> !wah! <mandarin>那边的:na bian de</mandarin> #dim sum# !wah! <mandarin>你讲到你现在讲到:ni jiang dao ni xian zai jiang dao</mandarin> !wah! <mandarin>我很我现在很想很想吃:wo hen wo xian zai hen xiang hen xiang chi</mandarin> #dim sum# Liao uh eh


!wah! !wah! <mandarin>你懂:ni dong</mandarin> Penang <mandarin>我是我很久没有去了我是:wo shi wo hen jiu mei you qu le wo shi</mandarin> I think <mandarin>有七八年没有去了我我第一次去:you qi ba nian mei you qu le wo wo di yi ci qu</mandarin> Penang !wah! <mandarin>那边的食物真的是:na bian de shi wu zhen de shi</mandarin> !wah!, , Shiok


[orh], [orh],


, ya lor, ya lor ya lor ya lor, !wah!, ya lah ya lah must look ahead lah


so <mandarin>现在不是这样贵的问题现在是不可以:xian zai bu shi zhe yang gui de wen ti xian zai shi bu ke yi</mandarin> , oh <mandarin>明年明年:ming nian ming nian</mandarin> [orh] okay okay, !wah!


[orh] <mandarin>对:dui</mandarin> that's why that's why ah that's why <mandarin>很多人现在在:hen duo ren xian zai zai</mandarin> save money lor, uh, oh what


[orh]


!wah!, maritime ah so what as a sailor or what, !huh! sailor ah so so like what sorry I I have no no experience in the this this this this maritime industry so so what do you go out to sea


and, so you sign on one lah, uh


okay, no lah I think we can end lah we can end lah , err okay okay, ya ya ya I think I think I I wanted to stop also but then I scared because our chinese I I don't know whether it's enough or not you you did you see my typing or not


[orh] okay okay, no wonder you never reply !walao! eh okay, uh, , ,


but okay lah okay lah <mandarin>你你你你你满你满你满讲的开的:ni ni ni ni ni man ni man ni man jiang de kai de</mandarin> so I think it's not bad, you you can talk you can talk, you can talk you can talk, , you you are a guy that can talk lah I I ya you you can talk a lot okay


, ya, eh, okay okay, , I I stop already ah I stop already ah I mean I stopped on the handphone lah, ah okay okay okay


okay I'm gonna do the clap now ah just err leave your speaker on loud, alright I'm plugging my earpiece now, okay so now let's start with the questions


actually ah <mandarin>我的:wo de</mandarin> voice switch I mean honestly speaking the code switch, I have been a bit in tune with one single language for quite awhile so it's gonna be a bit difficult for me, but I will do my best lah


, actually ah they mention ah err, for this err project right actually the code switching ah is not to be forced in the sense that they don't want the two languages separately they wanted a one language with a mix inside so


ya this one like uh I'll need to practice a bit lah cause I've been to china for my last err I think how many months ah, I've been to the china for the last four to six months so during that time ah I've been focused on speaking chinese chinese, , then to people who cannot speak chinese they I speak english english


, err past six months during COVID period I I was away, ya I was away for awhile, in china, ya


err for about two months


err, as well as err, err we were bouncing around a little bit lah <mandarin>所以我们有时来跳:suo yi wo men you shi lai tiao</mandarin> jump here <mandarin>跳:tiao</mandarin> there that kind of thing


more for leisure


err not exactly with friends lah is err how do I put this, I am there on a ship but the ship is not for leisure is for work but at the same time, end of the day ah the work is just like nine to five lor so


but the work is really just part and parcel of it so I don't really give a damn because end of the day if you are there for such a long duration ah


, definitely is not there to play only what so, , err I kind of went there to, work but at the same time, work is just a part of it lah I don't really <mandarin>我不会去真的管这样多:wo bu hui qu zhen de guan zhe yang duo</mandarin> lah


if you understand what I mean, ya lor <mandarin>就是这样:jiu shi zhe yang</mandarin> lor


most interesting place in china ah, eh, I can say is <mandarin>石岛:shi dao</mandarin> lah, because ah <mandarin>石岛:shi dao</mandarin> that place ah, is like a village ah <mandarin>乡村这样的:xiang cun zhe yang de</mandarin> lah so because of that ah


err in a way , you you won't exactly see china in that kind of light, because if you go to like Beijing err Shenzhen all the bigger cities ah, these <mandarin>大城市:dai cheng shi</mandarin> right they all will have a bit of a


city feel that is just like Singapore, so <mandarin>你来来去去:ni lai lai qu qu</mandarin> ah end of the day ah is err you're just like in another city lor you go to #Kuala Lumpur# you go to Jakarta you go to err, let's say from #Phnom Penh# #Ho Chi Minh# city


all these places ah end of the day ah they are all, they are all cities lah I I went to all of these places before already and it's nothing special honestly speaking lah


err <mandarin>石岛:shi dao</mandarin> is because is like a village so if you ever went to a place called Mapo in malaysia ah, or you went to err <mandarin>还有什么地方:hai you shen me di fang</mandarin> ah you wait ah you give me a while to think ah, Mapo is the place I rode a bike down to that time because err


my friends he's from Mapo what and that time he happened to not be working in Singapore so he is Malaysian he went back home I went there to visit him, then at the same time ah err, kind of like an eye opener also lah to a certain extent,


so when you go to a village right the pace is much more relaxed, if you really think about the fact ah as to whether or not, you really go there to <mandarin>玩:wan</mandarin> ah then is err


hard to really say in that kind of sense because, err end of the day villages are very very peaceful <mandarin>很安静很轻很很宁静这样的说法:hen an jing hen qing hen hen ning jing zhe yang de shuo fa</mandarin> lah but, err


you go to err I didn't go to Hong Kong lah <mandarin>台湾台湾也是没有去到:tai wan tai wan ye shi mei you qu dao</mandarin> lah, but end of the day ah these places are, , err if you go to the bigger cities the end of the day is all the same, ya


uh then for you leh, then <mandarin>去年:qu nian</mandarin> leh


uh, okay


Melbourne Sydney Gold Coast, uh those areas lah


understand, but


when you go to this kind of place to <mandarin>玩:wan</mandarin> ah you what do you usually like err, look out for ah


oh, fish market is correct what I can understand fish market what <mandarin>我听得懂它没关系:wo ting de dong ta mei guan xi</mandarin>


, !wah! Jialat I mean in my head I'm thinking ah all those words that you are using ah I'm just like oh shit I can translate them in chinese and english perfectly so this is quite a headache for me I mean in a sense of the code switching lah the code switching is giving me a bit of headaches but if I'm not wrong ah I think I know where you're talking about because Australia ah that side ah the <mandarin>捕鱼场:bu yu chang</mandarin> which is what you call fishery ah the <mandarin>捕鱼场:bu yu chang</mandarin> actually ah


err they are quite famous for their fish lah, the fish market ah, where they supposedly get their <mandarin>新鲜的海鲜:xin xian de hai xian</mandarin> ah, err it's quite common and their fish and chips there is bloody fucking cheap from what I heard I think it's about fourteen dollars ah US dollars you can actually get err


pretty decent err meal from there, it's around that price lah but if you actually stay there ah their tax ah is kind of scary, in the sense that <mandarin>他们的国家:ta men de guo jia</mandarin> err they actually need a bit of


err, income from their citizens ah because of their retirement err plans and all that lah,


oh ya one more thing <mandarin>你懂他们的:ni dong ta men de</mandarin> rental hor


about seven hundred for two weeks, correct so means end of the day the month is one point four K in AUD, around that much, but <mandarin>他们的做工情况比较好多:ta men de zuo gong qing kuang bi jiao hao duo</mandarin> lah so in terms of the hours worked and all that ah


err they work for I think easily, six to seven hours per day ah


yeah, correct lor <mandarin>七到八个小时:qi dao ba ge xiao shi</mandarin> is their, err, relaxed pace no actually in fact that one is a bit more hectic


but she was bringing ya she was bringing back about three K


uh ya but #ang moh# <mandarin>国家:guo jia</mandarin> ah you cannot compare their, err what you call that ah you cannot compare their living standards and hours of work one lah because you wanna compare in this manner ah <mandarin>你看香港:ni kan xiang gang</mandarin> Japan or err what was the other country ah China yes China they easily work about


minimally ah, and no work <mandarin>没做工没钱拿:mei zuo gong mei qian na</mandarin> lor, honestly, honestly but Jpan being first world Hong Kong being err considered developing or first world ah


err end of the day they still have their own benefit packages lah but err for China if I remember correctly in the <mandarin>乡村那边:xiang cun na bian</mandarin> ah the smaller villages all that right if they don't work they really <mandarin>没钱拿:mei qian na</mandarin> it's like Malaysia also lah in a certain extent to a certain extent


no no, uh, okay not exactly free money lah err actually wait


, err Germany that side ah, they basically, how do I put this, , they they do a lot of fin tech technology stuff ah so they end of the day they actually have the chance to retire early, but retirement ah


uh no, they have the option to retire means err <mandarin>他们可以不要做工:ta men ke yi bu yao zuo gong</mandarin> but at the same time


, they choose to work for the heck of it lah I mean for some of them lah, ya but, if you if you understand what I mean lah because, , honestly speaking the best cars still is German lah for until today


ya German cars are one of the best, ya so their technology you know err


uh <mandarin>对你:dui ni</mandarin> leh, [orh], , okay so the MAN Truck ah all from Germany what Mercedes Benz, ya ya


Mercedes all the man MAN Trucks you know the MAN Trucks for the buses ah and the five tunnels ah they are all from Germany, the branding lah the branding is from Germany lah, err research and development definitely from Germany but the production I'm not so sure


ya err you can check on Google ah Mercedes Benz, you can see where ah is their company from, is both a German automotive market mark and from late twenty nineteen onwards a subsidiary of daniel AG I cannot pronounce so well


what, ya but the headquarters is is, Stuttgart Baden, Baden is basically a German name lah by the way, err I think is Wurttemberg


ya then there's another, ya then err <mandarin>还有多一两:hai you duo yi liang</mandarin> err <mandarin>一种车:yi zhong che</mandarin> , I think was Volkswagen Das auto ya ya ya their their slogan was Das auto also German what, ya


Volkswagen is German, basically some of the best err automotive technologies ah, in the market ah meaning to say all the <mandarin>大车牌:da che pai</mandarin> ah in a way is all German BMW I can't remember, ya BMW I really can't remember already


oh also German, there you go, , oh aircraft engines ah, Rolls Royce actually manufacture the aircraft bodies


uh interestingly ah ya, uh ya probably because err I remember BMW they don't not only service err the aircraft engines also ship engines


all the <mandarin>大:da</mandarin> engine ah <mandarin>大营晴:da ying qing</mandarin> ah


means to say like for example a ship engine airplane engine ah, this is err beyond your normal <mandarin>大:da</mandarin> already lah in that kind of scenario, so this kind usually is all by them then the powerful ones meaning like the MAN Trucks you know even our SMRT buses


they are all by MR they are all by MAN Truck, man, MAN Truck is a branch of a Mercedes vehicle, err, but but but tow is called branding lah but,


err end of the day is like a branch of the Mercedes brand, ya lor correct lor, so like err Coca Cola they produce Dasani


you know, Coca Cola is Coca Cola lah but they still produce Dasani water, ya


err, no you must understand ah Japan back in the day ah, they actually did a pricing strategy to actually bring up their branding, Toyota aside ah err Nissan is actually the most powerful one GTR <mandarin>跑不掉的:pao bu diao de</mandarin> mah, do you know what I mean so the reason is because ah actually Nissan Sunny used to be a budget car ah that was aimed to


err convert all of the Ford clients in the past, so Ford Ford Ford automobile ah that time err one of the man who make America lah


err they used to be the first one to manufacture cars for every single population, then followed by people started to try and follow budget lor


, , oh Lexus I didn't know is under Toyota leh


but I, uh


you mean like <mandarin>中等到高等的:zhong deng dao gao deng de</mandarin> lah err correct lah, correct lah I mean, end of the day ah car in Singapore is very expensive only because of the COE lah if you were to just buy any random err shit ass two hundred K car in Singapore ah you can go to another country and buy a Ferrari


the Ferrari ah is considered cheap actually by right, ya that's why Dubai ah Dubai, their vehicles are more or less all super cars lah


[orh] can check lor <mandarin>我讲真的我不知道:wo jiang zhen de wo bu zhi dao</mandarin> leh, super car in Dubai, super car in Dubai but err if you actually notice ah a lot of super cars are abundant in Dubai, because they have too many of them <mandarin>而且没有用到:er qie mei you yong dao</mandarin> honestly speaking


ah yes, okay the price is err currently Lamborghini Huracan twenty twenty is price of AED nine hundred and fifty thousand so we just convert that to Singapore dollar lor


or you want to convert to USD <mandarin>也是可以:ye shi ke yi</mandarin> lah three hundred and fifty two K only three hundred and fifty three K leh, correct three hundred and fifty three K


does that make more sense to you or not Bishan HDB is one million what that time they went on the news so hard I think that was last year's news, uh


if last year's news is one million that means this year's news is one point two million already leh, so <mandarin>你可以买三驾很容易的:ni ke yi mai san jia hen rong yi de</mandarin> leh, you, ya you buy one HDB you can buy <mandarin>三驾:san jia</mandarin> latest, err Lamborghini Huracan in Dubai


you you compare lor, ya, , , okay err I don't know the pricing but you need to consider a few things lah first thing is <mandarin>你需要:ni xu yao</mandarin> import


import is one thing second thing is the err carbon emission rate carbon emission rate got additional tax one, third one you need to consider is the price of the car fourth one is the tax on the price of the car


okay <mandarin>你说的没有错:ni shuo de mei you cuo</mandarin> ah but you think of it in this manner ah


never happens, so even if you find the dealer right you'll have a tax on the car right the tax end of the day will transferred to you so you need to consider a tax on the car on top of the price of the vehicle


because end of the day you know the current err topic about minimum wage


but okay you put it in this manner ah if everyone's pay is three point five K ah, , so <mandarin>我给你个比例:wo gei ni ge bi li</mandarin> lah err I mean I give you a example, err right now let's say the company raises everyone's salary to minimum three point five K, so instead of a one point five err let's say two K lah okay we say two K salary ah to three point five K ah <mandarin>是差不多两倍:shi cha bu duo liang bei</mandarin> leh


so if everything ah all the salary goes up by <mandarin>两:liang</mandarin> by one time ah


okay so right now my salary has increased to err, I I put four K for easy calculation lah, for drivers salary two K to four K is times two what, so to the company is [orh] <mandarin>我需要还多一点:wo xu yao hai duo yi dian</mandarin> salary


so what happens is that the company right will increase their prices,


then my price also increase what, up to here is logical right followed by ah the guy who is doing the rental side of things ah, so because he relies on for example the rental to survive ah <mandarin>我有用那个:wo you yong na ge</mandarin> rental <mandarin>来生存的:lai sheng cun de</mandarin> ah


, so when this happens right, , err the rental will increase followed by after that land price will also increase


if I remember correctly lah, so most of the people rents they they cannot really afford to buy a house there, so after this err this chain of thing happen already right, the the cost will end of the day come down to the consumer again, because someone has to pay for all this what


when someone pays for all this is the end consumer, then finish story lor <mandarin>就一直:jiu yi zhi</mandarin> rotate rotate the cycle will just keep repeating, until end of the day everything becomes so expensive that you, we will just say that eh revert to minimum wage


, (mmhmm)


correct


ya correct,


correct correct


correct okay, I tell you one thing ah I completely agree with you, but that is only on one sector of the the thinking because ah why do I say this ah, , err, a coin has two sides mah okay so one side is the high end one that one totally the argument is completely hundred percent true to a certain extent ah the <mandarin>那些大公司:nei xie da gong si</mandarin> ah they are looking to hire foreigners


, err one reason could be that okay <mandarin>他们的:ta men de</mandarin> skill set <mandarin>可能被:ke neng bei</mandarin> groom <mandarin>出来的:chu lai de</mandarin> you know like takes many years ah they train them up, , they come in from a long time ago then they work here end of the day some of them even gotten PR okay err this scenario I I cannot explain anything from your point lah but err okay


in some of the sectors ah which actually requires a lot of manpower ah <mandarin>就是说:jiu shi shuo</mandarin> like for example construction company, okay construction company err if you notice right a lot of the foreigners who come in to work ah they are actually working lower level jobs only the so called S pass holders <mandarin>那些比较大那些:nei xie bi jiao da nei xie</mandarin> err <mandarin>大头:da tou</mandarin> lah okay that one I really cannot I cannot compare lah <mandarin>我不懂要怎么样子讲:wo bu dong yao zen me yang zi jiang</mandarin> because


even now they are placed on their so called watch list ah, , they go and contest themselves this one is not for me to touch on, , but err let's say for example the foreign workers who are doing all the hard work all the hard labour ah, so construction example <mandarin>你要做:ni yao zuo</mandarin> cement proofing,


, and all these err other construction stuff ah, , they usually have all these Thailand Bangladeshi err India China, because end of the day ah the salary they give them ah is only about eight hundred dollars honestly speaking end of the month but


but but but a few a lot of buts that's a lot of buts ah I tell you one whole list of them but the thing is right first thing is, company <mandarin>要包吃要包住:yao bao chi yao bao zhu</mandarin> dormitory food insurance expense err because in this case if they get injured or anything ah they get sent back ah all these has be covered under insurance so a lot of money rolling in there


and another thing is this ah, , err let's say for example right now <mandarin>你拿八百块:ni na ba bai kuai</mandarin> okay <mandarin>你是肯定不做的:ni shi ken ding bu zuo de</mandarin> mah <mandarin>不用问的:bu yong wen de</mandarin> mah but behind the scenes right that's actually a levy a a worker levy so actually per head right on top of the eight hundred dollars they have to pay for lodging they have to pay for food


and also at the same time they also have to pay for levy, so for a Singaporean to work there ah to make match up to two point one K ah, , the they will tell the Singaporean okay first thing first <mandarin>你两千一是你的:ni liang qian yi shi ni de</mandarin> basic salary


this is by MOM law lah, then the third thing is this ah okay <mandarin>你两千一是你两千一的事我还有一个:ni liang qian yi shi ni liang qian yi de shi wo hai you yi ge</mandarin> seventeen percent ah


another last thing ah is actually the thirteenth month err thirteenth month bonus, so on top of all this expenses ah actually end of the day ah the company is paying up quite a fair amount which is, in a way more than the foreigners but they are willing to pay because they have a quota to meet


eh <mandarin>你去做:ni qu zuo</mandarin> construction work <mandarin>粗工每天要做八个小时你做十二个小时有:cu gong mei tian yao zuo ba ge xiao shi ni zuo shi er ge xiao shi you</mandarin> OT


out of ten Singaporeans ah err you can say that easily most of them will be like I want a comfy office job aircon environment I don't want to be under the sun, , yeah you know all these things ah are actually considerations ah, , once you put them into the factor right you will notice that actually is a large majority of singaporeans they are rejecting this kind of jobs ah because of this under these circumstances ah


, you want you give me at least two thousand five but when you conclude in two thousand five plus OT plus the thirteenth month bonus ah, , actually end of the day they have to pay out quite a lot, ya this one is a another side of the thinking lah I mean honestly speaking I I can I totally agree with you ah when it comes to the professionals


so the professionals end of the day you don't tell me you cannot groom a Singaporean what it is definitely possible to groom a Singaporean with that kind of money, , at most <mandarin>你给他一个:ni gei ta yi ge</mandarin> pay cut lor, but I'm willing to train you I spend money on training you


ya but that aside I mean that one is up to them to go and justify lah I <mandarin>我不会去管到这种东西:wo bu hui qu guan dao zhe zhong dong xi</mandarin> but at the lower end of the scale ah because you are talking about minimum wage so minimum wage is targeting the lower end of the scale, so if construction cost goes up ah you know end of the day it relates to housing costs goes up


because for example <mandarin>我讲一个中国公司来到新加坡:wo jiang yi ge zhong guo gong si lai dao xin jia po</mandarin> lah I say that okay hire Singaporeans then the first thing they will do is jump eh <mandarin>新加坡人这样贵的:xin jia po ren zhe yang gui de</mandarin> ah afterwards everything goes up Liao lor everything goes up house goes up the pricing goes up


then stamp duty which is taxation ah also goes up, then <mandarin>你的:ni de</mandarin> income tax <mandarin>也会起:ye hui qi</mandarin> so end of the day <mandarin>你:ni</mandarin> costing <mandarin>到来:dao lai</mandarin> ah <mandarin>是真的蛮:shi zhen de man</mandarin> Chor <mandarin>的:de</mandarin> leh if you actually think of it in a logical scale


ya, correct, err two thousand and one roughly there


, yup


uh my last ship captain was Bangladesh I am quite familiar


yup, yup, very big


yes,


yup,


can, car and house no more than that trust me they can buy a mansion, they can buy a mansion that's how much that money is, okay but err I can understand where you're coming from ah <mandarin>就是关于到:jiu shi guan yu dao</mandarin> currency conversion and all of that lah


err but I try and break it down to you a bit more in detail what is actually happening lah to,


CPF <mandarin>那个比较重:na ge bi jiao zhong</mandarin> <mandarin>那个比较重:na ge bi jiao zhong</mandarin>


correct


ya I understand, okay so I will give you err my my considerations in this case Liao ah, in what sense ah okay the first thing is ah, err Bangladeshi workers they don't take back two point one K they only take back eight hundred dollars, uh but eight hundred dollars ah because okay err Bangladeshi and India ah <mandarin>这两个国家有点相似的:zhe liang ge guo jia you dian xiang si de</mandarin> so I use India to give you a better example lah


cause I was working on a ship so my


immediately ah immediately he's earning three times of his that salary ah, and on top of that he's younger than his dad so in terms of experience years service ah, he's earning way more for such a big age difference


that means you say that he's actually earning way more so end of the day, when they come to Singapore Singapore dollar to US dollar is about one point four lah I mean one point four Sing dollar equals to one US dollar so <mandarin>到最后他们拿回去:dao zui hou ta men na hui qu</mandarin> is about six hundred odd lah in US dollars just for better estimation


, is enough to <mandarin>养家:yang jia</mandarin> leh actually, but you must understand one thing ah when they come here to work, they actually most of the time don't spend a single dollar of the eight hundred dollars, because <mandarin>包吃包住:bao chi bao zhu</mandarin> mah


if I work here for three whole years, I have to slog my life out I don't spend a single cent I send everything back, so what is this ah actually this is similar to expat expatriate, expatriates are referring to professionals by the way, so end of the day err


while they are not professionals, they come here they managed to secure a job, they manage to <mandarin>养家:yang jia</mandarin> that's about it, because err six hundred plus dollars US dollars ah usually they is because they have err either family back there or they are saving up to start their own business there or whatsoever so end of the day ah the issue here is not actually them coming over and you know working for such a low wage and stealing our jobs the issue is that because our own cost of living in Singapore is high


but the thing now is because our cost of living is so high ah


the houses are becoming less and less affordable so end of the day <mandarin>他们建房子便宜:ta men jian fang zi pian yi</mandarin> because their their house cost is more or less the same our house cost is very expensive, so the only comparison is this instead of them coming here to take our jobs ah we go overseas and take other people's jobs


because you see they are foreigners meaning to say that they are actually forced out of their comfort zone ah, you you imagine this scenario you are now currently thrown into a foreign environment <mandarin>你你被丢进去到一个陌生的地方:ni ni bei diu jin qu dao yi ge mo sheng de di fang</mandarin> ah you totally don't know where to begin where to start one, so you just like <mandarin>我们有朋友我只可以靠自己:wo men you peng you wo zhi ke yi kao zi ji</mandarin> I mean because honestly I move out of the house so I I really have a good view of this


means to say that end of the day no one is gonna help me one leh, the the to a certain extent the company won't even care one leh I will just send you home if you cannot make it lor simple as that, uh so end of the day if you were to throw yourself into a same foreign environment ah to survive with this kind of salary ah to make sure you can take care of your family at home ah


if you can do it you can actually go out and steal other people's jobs as well, because this the the global economy now is very open open market scenario, if I go over to another country they take my value for what it's worth ah, then the country people will complain eh eh you fucking you just come and steal my job


which actually applies to America a lot by the way so in in the exact same scenario if I were to get the same job for about four five thousand in US dollars ah, to an American they'll be like eh <mandarin>我的工钱没有这样高:wo de gong qian mei you zhe yang gao</mandarin> leh, then <mandarin>我的东西也是一样贵:wo de dong xi ye shi yi yang gui</mandarin> leh then <mandarin>过后那个新加坡人跑回新加坡:guo hou na ge xin jia po ren pao hui xin jia po</mandarin> then <mandarin>去建他自己的房子还可以买:qu jian ta zi ji de fang zi hai ke yi mai</mandarin> condo leh


you know eh I I mean this is a logical comparison since they are they are coming over to our country we can also exit to other countries, and as a expat means also we are foreigners we will still come back with a Singapore citizen status and come back to Singapore and survive


uh, ,


Malaysia Indonesia okay Indonesia is south of us Malaysia is north of us, ya then err further north is Thailand followed by a little bit on the left is err Cambodia a little bit on the right of Thailand is Vietnam


ya, okay, (mmhmm)


ah this one , ya ya I I happened to see that one ah


you can say that it hits home,


correct, correct


correct one hand


, correct


okay so up to here right, err <mandarin>你的:ni de</mandarin> reference <mandarin>是因为我们的国家没有多少可以去:shi yin wei wo men de guo jia mei you duo shao ke yi qu</mandarin> ah, so end of the day err <mandarin>我们没有太多选择也是:wo men mei you tai duo xuan ze ye shi</mandarin> lah, okay so I'll give you off one hand lah which actually is quite true lah we only have about one hand worth of countries we can go to ah that we can make more than in Singapore


, so the four countries that I can think of off my head is USA, Canada, Europe, and Australia, this this ya these four are the main countries USA, Canada Europe and Australia


uh if you noticed most of the people ah they <mandarin>他们跑来跑去:ta men pao lai pao qu</mandarin> ah <mandarin>都是跑去这些国家:dou shi pao qu zhe xie guo jia</mandarin> the last one is UK lah which is in Britain Britain which is err, , if I remember correctly is considered, close to Europe lah more or less, ya so this these are the few countries ah but some Singaporeans they will choose to run off to places like err I think Paris <mandarin>算不算一个国家:suan bu suan yi ge guo jia</mandarin> I cannot remember this part but Paris is one of them uh France also


uh ya France as long as err <mandarin>多一个地方是:duo yi ge di fang shi</mandarin> New Zealand, ya these are the main countries they will run off to lah so in total right now I actually if I to list depending on what they want lah <mandarin>就是看他们的想要什么东西:jiu shi kan ta men de xiang yao shen me dong xi</mandarin> lah and whether are they coming back or not ah


it's actually seven countries, but if you refer to this right India most of them come to singapore is only one country, it's a reverse already


err in Vietnam ah if I remember correctly right they earn about four hundred US dollars on average for the lower wage salary, Malaysia <mandarin>他们赚跟我们一样:ta men zhuan gen wo men yi yang</mandarin> lah but in Ringgit lah three to one


can, I tell you why I tell you why, very simple because you actually you actually you already just highlighted one of the main core issues, because main most of the senior ranks ah if you notice right


do you know the the finance companies that were listed, on the watch list, you notice that most of the senior ranks are actually already expats, you didn't notice


very transparent lah, ya, okay, ya okay err basically ah the countries in the watch list right most of their higher ranks are already expats lah you know in the past ah when <mandarin>我们以前的时代:wo men yi qian de shi dai</mandarin> ah <mandarin>有一个东西就是:you yi ge dong xi jiu shi</mandarin> ah #ang mohs# will get the top seats


that's in the long long past lah if you can recall lah because the expat come here to give us value what in terms of their expertise their skills set because Singapore last time err <mandarin>也没有这样发达:ye mei you zhe yang fa da</mandarin> lah honestly speaking, so in a way ah the #ang mohs# took the top seat already so when the #ang mohs# took the top seat ah


which asian will be up there nobody lor so expat already up there mah so instead so instead we cannot be sent out, ya,


err currently <mandarin>他们现在在:ta men xian zai zai</mandarin> try and <mandarin>做也是要慢慢来:zuo ye shi yao man man lai</mandarin> lah <mandarin>你最少要:ni zui shao yao</mandarin> raise to <mandarin>一个:yi ge</mandarin> management level position ah <mandarin>最少最少也是要一个五到十年:zui shao zui shao ye shi yao yi ge wu dao shi nian</mandarin> lah so end of the day what happens five to ten years from now is err you know <mandarin>你可以看一下:ni ke yi kan yi xia</mandarin> lor


but as of now you expect instant results is really impossible lah like for example <mandarin>我今天叫你去做一个:wo jin tian jiao ni qu zuo yi ge</mandarin> management role as a CEO ah, ya


has been ongoing for awhile correct


, err that time I was err


I was doing sales in another company then err my friend who is a work permit holder ah, he's a Malaysian also by the way he's around age err forty forty plus lah that time but it's already, sorry, !huh! I'm not Malaysian I'm Singaporean but as in because he's a close friend of mine also lah I I don't see any boundaries to knowing people from other countries because


so if you have any kind of boundaries in this kind of scenario ah you have some limitations, and when it comes down to business right <mandarin>你做生意的时候:ni zuo sheng yi de shi hou</mandarin> ah, you must understand that, in Singapore right you will never ever make it too far


honestly speaking, if you if you start to, correct you start to open these barriers up ah and you are like eh you are foreigner <mandarin>我不太想跟你交往太多:wo bu tai xiang gen ni jiao wang tai duo</mandarin> ah, , err then when it comes to you going to other countries ah they will like oh you are the foreigner


in my workplace have err Filipino have err some other races I used to do construction worker driver, I I hang around with Banglas Indians drink with them even and I meet the lower wage workers so I check with them that's how I know all this stuff


, and also at the same time ah <mandarin>以前就是我认识这个:yi qian jiu shi wo ren shi zhe ge</mandarin> malaysian lah <mandarin>他是:ta shi</mandarin> work permit holder, so what happened is err he wanted to introduce me to the job he was like eh


err project manager some more so he was like you you just err talk to the boss the boss he's err they're willing to listen to you give you an interview, so the boss was like, uh young Singaporean chap


curious about the err cement proofing industry, but I need to calculate a few other things lah because err this guy is a Malaysian so he has bonus and all of that is can be topped up because no CPF mah <mandarin>不用去考虑这些:bu yong qu kao lv zhe xie</mandarin> extra tax higher numbers but you are Singaporean so I need to consider all of these before I actually give you a salary lah


so end of the day they offer me two point one K, but I think honestly ah, ah so end of the day he actually wanted to train me ah the Malaysian wanted to train me the boss was willing to take me and train me to take over his position


but because of the long road ahead ah which was about err the rough estimate was about eight to thirteen years ah <mandarin>我会上到他的职位我会拿到他的:wo hui shang dao ta de zhi wei wo hui na dao ta de</mandarin> salary <mandarin>我会拿他的:wo hui na ta de</mandarin> bonus and his bonus is quite big, I said no


and yes because end of the day I was not willing take that long a route, you can say that <mandarin>是我小的时候思想不好:shi wo xiao de shi hou si xiang bu hao</mandarin> lah but the starting salary they were willing to offer me was also two thousand one, because err actually end of the day also my my job which I wanted to quit lah they gave me a pay raise lah because they didn't want me to go


so means the company held a value to keep me and I I was tempted for the short term short term goal lah, which that time my my pay jumped for about two times to three point five K, eh no sorry two point five K, it jumped from one point four K like that


so end of the day ah, err some of the things to consider is this, the higher ranks that are held by some people ah for someone to take over them ah first thing is you must have someone willing to train, and <mandarin>你可不可以学到:ni ke bu ke yi xue dao</mandarin> is another thing lah of course entirely dependent on your skill set and everything else


but, for a company to train you for so long ah, and I'm talking about <mandarin>八到十三年:ba dao shi san nian</mandarin> lah just to put you back to that seat lah, err they must be willing to go through thick and thin eh and given the current situation ah who are the people most willing to stay in a single job for a very long duration


foreigner lor, so unless the company can earn a lot of money by taking you in ah, , they will not try and take you in another thing is most of the times if you notice Singaporeans have a habit of job hopping nowadays even myself lah <mandarin>我不要讲别人:wo bu yao jiang bie ren</mandarin> lah


I I change job like I change underwear err wait not that not that much lah but you get my point, , so so end of the day ah honestly speaking we job hop is because we want to find greener grass greener pastures higher salary then we just slowly try to jump up ranks because we will like <mandarin>这个:zhe ge</mandarin> company <mandarin>不要:bu yao</mandarin> promote <mandarin>我到五年后:wo dao wu nian hou</mandarin> nevermind <mandarin>我跳:wo tiao</mandarin> lor <mandarin>那些公司:nei xie gong si</mandarin> company <mandarin>也不愿意:ye bu yuan yi</mandarin> take <mandarin>我:wo</mandarin> to higher rank so I change rank already ya


quite significant oh doesn't apply to Japan,


correct but you see the thing is this ah, the only people who are being tied down to a job for five to ten years nowadays ah is really foreigner


which you tell me which Singaporean from our era has worked for one single job for ten years <mandarin>我跟你讲找不到的:wo gen ni jiang zhao bu dao de</mandarin> leh, I tell you honestly <mandarin>我觉得找不到的:wo jue de zhao bu dao de</mandarin> leh, maybe


, ya correct, , yes


ya, in other countries ah similarly right the expats will be the one getting the promotion cause they stay in the job for very long


this also applies there is the same is the same logic or,


that's all they want fuck the company is created only for one sole reason and that is to make money, so end of the day if this guy is not going to make me that much money I cannot afford to train him because later <mandarin>我:wo</mandarin> train <mandarin>他:ta</mandarin> Liao later then <mandarin>我:wo</mandarin> lose, so so you you if you have a strong tie with the company ah you show that I work for three to five years ah then maybe the company will be like okay


but in that three to five years if I within two years I train you, then afterwards you work for me for five another three years ah so that's why they have a lot of this training bond you know, the the kind where they are like [orh] <mandarin>你要你要我:ni yao ni yao wo</mandarin> train <mandarin>也可以我可以:ye ke yi wo ke yi</mandarin> send you <mandarin>去:qu</mandarin> upgrade, but after that I bond you lor seven years ten years or whatever


it's just so that you provide me back the value ah that's when you will suddenly see that guy ah suddenly raise rank one, but


uh <mandarin>薪水比较高:xin shui bi jiao gao</mandarin> is not immediate first thing so after a few a couple of years one or two years ah or your annual raise another thing <mandarin>就是:jiu shi</mandarin> ah, the main issue is not company not willing to bond you main issue is most people are not willing to take the bond, err


you will trust, opportunity,


correct, correct if those people ah <mandarin>他们的:ta men de</mandarin> target <mandarin>是:shi</mandarin> stable in that job for very long ah, uh then they want to you know grow in the company climb the career ladder then of course lah this kind of opportunity will be very good for them lah


for me ah I'm I'm somewhat of an opportunist <mandarin>就是说我是看着机会跑的:jiu shi shuo wo shi kan zhe ji hui pao de</mandarin> so if for example right the company wants to bond me, in three years' time ah I can accomplish a lot of things in comparison


I can learn a lot more things I can you know explore a bit more, and end of the day also it depends on working environment so, a lot a lot of factors to consider lah but the reason why ah <mandarin>我不肯接受:wo bu ken jie shou</mandarin> bond is this, when you break a bond ah you pay back every single cent ah that they have chosen to invest in you which can amount to few hundred thousand sometimes


so <mandarin>你真的会跳一下的当你忽然觉得:ni zhen de hui tiao yi xia di dang ni hu ran jue de</mandarin> eh like for example suddenly they hire a new superior ah, and you know work place politics lah so end of the day <mandarin>你不喜欢这个工作:ni bu xi huan zhe ge gong zuo</mandarin> ah <mandarin>你不可以跑的:ni bu ke yi pao de</mandarin> leh <mandarin>你只在那边哭而已:ni zhi zai na bian ku er yi</mandarin> lor,


, just <mandarin>忙着打工:mang zhe da gong</mandarin> ah I I have a different view on this err as compared to, you you can consider as most of the people outside lah so


the only reason I'm working ah is actually to gain experience, because err like for me I'm willing to accept a a low paying start up job as long as you can learn faster than people or my peers you know in a similar environment


because, knowledge is power lah, and, with knowledge right you can actually more or less go anywhere lor so <mandarin>你:ni</mandarin> compare <mandarin>一下:yi xia</mandarin> lah like okay <mandarin>我不是讲我:wo bu shi jiang wo</mandarin> brag <mandarin>我自己:wo zi ji</mandarin> or I am I'm trying to toot my own horn lah but the the the the experiences I just shared with you and exchanged with you right


in comparison right let's say err someone your peers lah, err they won't actually have this kind of err perspective or thinking, err without that much exposure you know, maybe not so many lah I would say it maybe maybe not so many lah maybe you you will have one lah


but err my focus now is only in knowledge lor <mandarin>就是知识越多就越好:jiu shi zhi shi yue duo jiu yue hao</mandarin> lor even this err I mean I think they will hear this after this but even this err code switching recording thing, I am just curious as to how


they're going to do this and just participating to, understand more honestly speaking the the, I'm not gonna say that the money doesn't matter cause I still want it , but eh you know AI knowledge ya that's kind of


interesting, , so


err he's a very good mentor he's err guiding me a lot on this aspect of things lah, uh because marketing ah if you go and <mandarin>创:chuang</mandarin> by yourself ah


err you hit a lot walls lah really a lot of walls one, correct


err marketing <mandarin>推销:tui xiao</mandarin> err <mandarin>不算是推销:bu suan shi tui xiao</mandarin> ah <mandarin>是打广:shi da guang</mandarin> eh


marketing <mandarin>你做面对电脑你也算是在做工:ni zuo mian dui dian nao ni ye suan shi zai zuo gong</mandarin> eh, err you create


you create advertising you spend money, sales is you bring in money you know marketing is you spend money, you you see the difference here right sales <mandarin>是你一见人的时候:shi ni yi jian ren de shi hou</mandarin> ah <mandarin>你是希望有钱进来:ni shi xi wang you qian jin lai</mandarin> but


uh, so two different things already,


err <mandarin>原原本就是这样:yuan yuan ben jiu shi zhe yang</mandarin> lor, uh so <mandarin>讲真的:jiang zhen de</mandarin> ah if you actually say that marketing is easy ah which <mandarin>我以前真的是这样想:wo yi qian zhen de shi zhe yang xiang</mandarin> ah marketing is like fuck lah you know you just do it properly I can you do my sales already lah


but the end of the day uh you know I I even start off with one step ah which is to design the ad ah <mandarin>我要哭了:wo yao ku le</mandarin> leh, let's say you draw a picture lor, err


I mean you are doing the whole package mah <mandarin>就是因为我在做:jiu shi yin wei wo zai zuo</mandarin> start up mah so start up <mandarin>你就是从头做到尾:ni jiu shi cong tou zuo dao wei</mandarin> lor


then <mandarin>你就等:ni jiu deng</mandarin> designing <mandarin>给你而已:gei ni er yi</mandarin> lor then <mandarin>你在那边:ni zai na bian</mandarin> draft <mandarin>你的:ni de</mandarin> marketing advert


so one time I learn three points, uh <mandarin>我:wo</mandarin> actually <mandarin>做:zuo</mandarin> four points lah <mandarin>这样的话我加:zhe yang de hua wo jia</mandarin> sales lor, uh then <mandarin>我也有:wo ye you</mandarin> design <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> err <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> selling package


so it sounds like overwhelming but honestly to me ah <mandarin>是最快学的方式就是:shi zui kuai xue de fang shi jiu shi</mandarin> throw yourself into the water but try not to drown lah,


, yes but <mandarin>你不要忘记:ni bu yao wang ji</mandarin> ah, when you learn from a mentor ah he can do it for a totally charitable reasons, or, he can expect value back from you


then end of the day he will value me more and he will train he will train me more lah then I also I can fight for my salary right I can negotiate one, uh


, I tell you honestly ah, to me ah end of the day ah any job ah, and any kind of learning opportunity ah, it involves a willing buyer and a willing seller


so willing buyer means to say ah me as a buyer ah I'm willing to learn, okay so when I buy something from you you gain something what so in his case is I learn from you you gain money, company's perspective mah he's a willing seller he's willing to teach me so that he can gain more money in return


ya so <mandarin>两边会:liang bian hui</mandarin> benefit mah <mandarin>我要求的是:wo yao qiu de shi</mandarin> knowledge at the same time <mandarin>我会要求:wo hui yao qiu</mandarin> compensation


then <mandarin>你就是:ni jiu shi</mandarin> <mandarin>不用做工:bu yong zuo gong</mandarin> Liao lor, uh, , I will not say I will not answer this question in that manner because ah


okay very good so in this case ah <mandarin>我们就用这个比较:wo men jiu yong zhe ge bi jiao</mandarin> lah so,


because marketing is to spread the word mah <mandarin>就是你:jiu shi ni</mandarin> spread the knowledge [orh] <mandarin>这个地方好吃去:zhe ge di fang hao chi qu</mandarin> try <mandarin>这个地方好吃去:zhe ge di fang hao chi qu</mandarin> try end of the day ah the marketing level has become so strong ah


uh, but <mandarin>小的:xiao de</mandarin> #dim sum# <mandarin>店还没有:dian hai mei you</mandarin> lor,


okay,


(mmhmm)


err the understanding is very simple <mandarin>这个叫做:zhe ge jiao zuo</mandarin> word of mouth referral, word of mouth referral right is the cheapest way ah to market anything cause it cost nothing


so what does word of mouth what does work of mouth marketing cost ah it cost time


correct what I save marketing budget but end of the day you know,


ah so I spend less time I spend a bit of money but I increase my sales volume so much more in comparison to word of mouth only


okay, I will take back your word of must


I'll take back word I'll take back the word must, because uh err, but <mandarin>你要看你怎么样子做:ni yao kan ni zen me yang zi zuo</mandarin> lah marketing is a what you call freeplay, it's really nothing is fixed one end of the day is just a


is err how you get yourself reached out to the different people lor, err let's say for example <mandarin>我在电视上后面:wo zai dian shi shang hou mian</mandarin> ah <mandarin>我就:wo jiu</mandarin> hold <mandarin>这当人家在拍那个新闻的时候:zhe dang ren jia zai pai na ge xin wen de shi hou</mandarin> ah <mandarin>我跑去后面拿着一个:wo pao qu hou mian na zhe yi ge</mandarin> card then <mandarin>我在那边跳舞:wo zai na bian tiao wu</mandarin> but <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> card <mandarin>上面有一个:shang mian you yi ge</mandarin> brand <mandarin>一个:yi ge</mandarin> <mandarin>一个:yi ge</mandarin> logo


uh


, (mmhmm)


err <mandarin>不是:bu shi</mandarin> Swee-Choon actually <mandarin>是因为他们从以前他们是老招牌:shi yin wei ta men cong yi qian ta men shi lao zhao pai</mandarin> mah <mandarin>他们味道好他们:ta men wei dao hao ta men</mandarin> bring it until today, but, you know


, err <mandarin>它的那个:ta de na ge</mandarin> #lor mai gai# <mandarin>里面那个鸡里面没有没有一一一堆屎你懂:li mian na ge ji li mian mei you mei you yi yi yi dui shi ni dong</mandarin> mah


, but, but <mandarin>讲真的:jiang zhen de</mandarin> lah logo <mandarin>到最后我没有看到:dao zui hou wo mei you kan dao</mandarin> ah <mandarin>你跟我讲到:ni gen wo jiang dao</mandarin> Swee-Choon <mandarin>我也是想到一样的地方的:wo ye shi xiang dao yi yang de di fang de</mandarin> lah, uh


, (mmhmm), okay <mandarin>这些:zhe xie</mandarin> upgrade ah <mandarin>是:shi</mandarin> consider ease of action east of transaction


so on the point of sale is faster or smoother, it's not related to marketing but at the same time you can say that <mandarin>它们做这些东西:ta men zuo zhe xie dong xi</mandarin> ah is to market themselves in a different light


correct, ya this one, , ,


yes


but,


[orh] <mandarin>没有因为二零二一会比较忙:mei you yin wei er ling er yi hui bi jiao mang</mandarin> so <mandarin>没有那种时间:mei you na zhong shi jian</mandarin> ah, even if <mandarin>会好的话就是差不多九月时他们就会讲:hui hao de hua jiu shi cha bu duo jiu yue shi ta men jiu hui jiang</mandarin> okay


even by then, ah <mandarin>你懂别人:ni dong bie ren</mandarin> rush to go back <mandarin>还有之前那些:hai you zhi qian nei xie</mandarin> ah transportation <mandarin>全部会比较贵:quan bu hui bi jiao gui</mandarin> mah no point, so plan to <mandarin>二零二二:er ling er er</mandarin> Liao lor, uh must look ahead mah


, but have to learn to hold back a little bit lor you will get the better deal that way, (ppc)


[orh] <mandarin>没有:mei you</mandarin> lah <mandarin>我我一年没有出国这样多次我那时是做工的关系才出这样久我那时出海十一个月:wo wo yi nian mei you chu guo zhe yang duo ci wo na shi shi zuo gong de guan xi cai chu zhe yang jiu wo na shi chu hai shi yi ge yue</mandarin> mah


uh, maritime lor, uh, as a sailor lor,


ya you go out to sea on a contract for quite a long duration then you come back after the contract is over lah, uh not sign on lah I mean this is unrelated, eh but err okay <mandarin>因为这个:yin wei zhe ge</mandarin> topic <mandarin>会有点长:hui you dian zhang</mandarin> ah then at the same time we have surpassed by about twenty minutes odd lah I think the NUS people will be very happy lah for this kind of value


so err maybe we we just, yah we we end it for tonight lah maybe we err have a little chat another time, then hopefully they can accept our I don't know recording or something ,


uh I I can't see your typing because I'm <mandarin>我没有看到的:wo mei you kan dao de</mandarin> Skype <mandarin>那边:na bian</mandarin> leh, [orh] [orh] okay oh oh oh okay I notice I notice but err actually <mandarin>到最后我懂我用华语也是多一点:dao zui hou wo dong wo yong hua yu ye shi duo yi dian</mandarin> lah but code switch, sorry lah NUS researchers <mandarin>我的:wo de</mandarin> code switch <mandarin>没有这样好:mei you zhe yang hao</mandarin> lah <mandarin>在中国在新加坡一个用英语一个用华语:zai zhong guo zai xin jia po yi ge yong ying yu yi ge yong hua yu</mandarin>


uh


because uh actually topics they will never end one there's too much things in this world, ya okay lah but let's just end it for today because I actually I still want to go and get err dinner lah I would say I would call it dinner lah but, ya


okay okay wait I will stop my handphone as well, ya okay


okay [dah] boleh start


I saw like it's like metallic right macam kotak like that the design


but they got purple, yeah aku nak tunggu price turun aja and then I can buy


then I can buy Iphone eleven , eh you recently you go MBS right


pool you go there for pool only, , yeah


isn't it isn't it how isn't that how it's always been


yeah that was like in secondary school then I am like the things that happened then and now might change ah your room is what


, !wah!, !wah!, eh that is quite big, is it on the lower floor


!wah! tinggi juga ya I thought usually I thought usually the bigger rooms will be lower, !whoa!


oh sea ah you didn't get the city view ah, , yeah lah that's why I was like sea view really not really worth the the the money I think city view nicer


tapi like I think if you get city view you get sunset view, so like MBS is like the location nice lah


, so expensive , , I think I, okay I wouldn't I wouldn't pay for it lah but I don't know


, (mmhmm), [kan]


it's a Korean drama [kan], , oh ini yang ada Jihyo right


is it no no this one is a wrong drama wrong drama !oops! I


by then you like stop watching is it, , how many episodes total


oh, eh you know the MBS what you do for kau kau stay sana for like three days two nights [kan], you let's say you booking pukul dua right


is it, ah oh jalan jalan eh


oh oh then got car ah, okay lah I thought like you all take public transport then then go there with all your baggages


oh you fly kite !wow!


anyways then after that what you do,


, which is called what


[orh] berape mahal eh, oh, !ow!, okay


uh, I am so hungry lah bro


, you need to book ah for swimming how many people can be allowed to swim do you know


uh


oh okay okay, so you went swimming for three days , I was thinking like why why what can you do for swimming for three days there's nothing much on top there it's super cold in the morning right did you go to the morning one no


ah, I was, eh so you went in already then rain or what


oh it wasn't heavy rain ah it wasn't like lightning storm kind of thing ah, it's just a drizzle lah


is it then they still allow tak de lightning warning eh, oh okay but were were you cold, cause I remember when I went right Kelly wanted me to go swimming what in the morning she's like let's go in the morning ah then then I like I went in to the pool I just wanna go home already I was freezing inside the pool it was so cold I was like Kelly Kelly Kelly Kelly I like I keep stuttering in the in the pool cause like I just want to leave I just want to take like a hot bath after that


it was so cold in the morning, then then second day is it you all three days you just relax at the hotel,


oh, oh okay, ah yeah yeah lah true lah,


is it is it now sekarang the the design is it like moon festival or what, oh so when you went it's just messy lah is it


ah nothing much, okay, , yeah lah I mean like I had the membership a year membership because it was like twenty dollar something right I I keep going there until like I just go there for aircon only at that point because the aircon was quite cooling right dia punya aircon [kan] like sejuk gila nya then I was like okay let's go in relax tengok bunga okay then then I go home


I mean like I I understand that I need to go out like every every week cause if not I feel very like stuck at home, !wah! during during pandemic was the worst lah that I have to be stuck at home boleh gila sih kat rumah dengan enam orang !oof!


, it's nice to go out with your family and staycay lah


what, , yeh so one night is you go weekday one night already what five hundred ah no


!wah! so expensive, !oof!


try different hotels [kan] , this staycay in Singapore quite fun lah especially when you go with family or friends, like we wanted to go right we wanted to like plan a hotel staycay dengan kawan sekolah but then the pandemic happened and then every place just kena abandon sia


yeah man it's not even overseas people just staycay in Singapore pun susah tapi tak [pe] lah I think no one had money and somemore everyone like no job also


yeah, eh why you never apply for like Coffee Bean, then, then


oh never got reply ah, (oo) my friend got Coffee Bean then I like uh I hear I hear her pay like I wanna work there too


if you reach a certain amount of hours per week you get ten dollar per hour but I think she might hear wrong lah she might hear wrong what that's why I scared


cause like she already misheard she thought thirty three hours a month then I was like that's a bit too little of hours to work to get an incentive then she recently come back to me and tell me bilang err Nisha you need to work thirty three hours per week baru boleh earn ten dollar I'm like yeah that makes more sense lah


thirty three hours per week that one is like if you work lapan hours a day for empat hari right a week you can roughly get thirty three hours like eight like as long s one day you get nine hours lah you can get thirty three hours


yeah and somemore she haven't she's not a barista yet I think at that one point Coffee Bean nak hire temperature screener right cause like they they really lacking manpower for it then they hire temporary screener first then after that they learn to become barista lah


yeah dia sekarang she she's just a temperature screener jaga burung dekat outside [jer], yeah but okay lah she like becoming one next week like she's taking the health basic health hygiene whatever thing


yeah then after that after that she can can make drinks then I can kacau her after that


but you kau nak start sekolah soon right, November oh my god this week got like tick-tock September October you got like nearly two months man


, but then the results [dah] keluar eh like your whether you can get into the school, oh very long eh


home bum because you got no work is it, it's not like you're not trying to find what you tried but a lot of jobs like


they never reply or they got different criteria than you expect, [kan]


yeah normal lah I mean you also not very like apa orang cakap like err what is the word ah oh main main blank like tak cerewet like that lah


are you cerewet no right you just you apply for most jobs already but like criteria doesn't mean your expectation also right


, yeah they ask a lot of jobs they asking for like for like three years eh err like at least a year experience then I'm like I haven't even start a job then you want a year experience a bit too much sia


, yeah, what to do


yeah, is it, is it I never check like jobs right now


, yeah that's why, what to do, you got play Among Us


you know there's this game called Among Us, there's so many videos about it now then I I mean I played before lah aku pernah main dengan kawan poly I was like I want play [seh] like like I just want to play


you need you need you need minimum lima orang eh


can ask like, yeah, but like it looks so fun right but I cannot lie I can't I I cannot lie everytime I lie they like okay it's Nisha it's Nisha I'm like oh no okay yeah it's me it's me just just kill me already


, , it's very fun you know like there's this there's this girl I I must say my volley friend lah there's this she at first I thought she wasn't the intruder then dia datang she always follow me you know dia always next to me sebelah aku aje then she like suddenly swipe the knife around me and I'm like then in this game right the rule for us was that kita kenaok we were in a voice call and when we play we have to like mute our mics lah


then once someone [kan] dia have to like discover the body, yeah then dia report body aku then dia bilang !wah! I found Nisha'S body here here here then I'm like then if you dead you cannot talk in our game then I'm like oh my god this this this girl this then I just keep maki on the other side because they can't hear me right then I just keep maki her like !wah! this this girl ah she's lying so well ah and everyone was like so who's the killer who's the killer I'm like (ugh) it's her it's her she's she lied so well you know then I'm like (ugh) I hate I hate her I hate playing with her


, yeah,


, what, you can hide the body, !wah!, I didn't know you can hide the body !wah! I should I should try


, then got there's also another one where I'm the intruder with this other person the girl that lying very well I was the intruder with her then after after err intruder can like like kacau dia punya system right like you can like disrupt their system then they had the members have to fix the two things lah so the system will go back up then so when everyone has to go to this location to fix it because you have to like press your hand dekat machine itu lah


then so many people there right I just kill someone then everyone was like who who would kill someone in front of broad daylight when everyone's here then I just keep quiet


yeah lah cause this one you can like ada van then you can like apa ada mission juga you can see everyone instead I would mafia game [kan] macam kau kena tunggu the time only


then it's quite it can get quite macam bosan lah, same like when we when it was the birthday party for mine recently kalau kita semua main UNO semua right it was it was quite fun lah honestly


both especially with the plus four plus two


stupid games eh ya, I'm hungry man I like oh you're craving for meat ah but you're not a meat person right kau tak boleh makan


is it all meat or is it just err beef, !wah!


I mean I know I know you can but you just prefer not to right


I I won't be surprised right if you [dah] kawin then kau beranak [kan] then you like beef suddenly , yeah but it'd be so random imagine your guy like knows that you don't you don't like beef then one day you just craving for beef


are kau serius ke , funny lah usually pregnancy [kan] macam unknown unknown cravings


, I thought I thought you said kalau the ikan is pregnant and people don't like and I'm like that doesn't make sense , I was trying to make sense of your sentence then I'm like uh err !huh!


yeah, oh my god I want I want I recently was talking to #Yin Shen# about picnic then suddenly nak dia nak main layang [kan] because since that last year want play layang already


then I was like oh can we go picnic then then he said like okay kau nak join tak we go picnic but


(mmhmm)


that is like no helping buddy like that right no buddy system , no lah I mean you can meet lah but if you wanna meet every week macam penat [kan] nak meet like you already tired from uni then they still wanna meet


, they're waiting for you


I mean they were they were nice enough to tunggu tunggu kau punya reply lah


but you also not interested then they like okay sorry guys next time


then, sometimes I also like that lah but but most of the time when they know then they will change but if they don't know then they don't change and then when they don't when they know you do't go then they stay to the original plan lah


(hmm), is it I mean I guess I mean secondary school of course more easier to handle this food thing compared to poly punya kawan lah like I also got bad experiences with like kawan poly semua nak makan yang tak halal punya benda then I'm like okay you guys go ahead then they are like why you never follow then it's like no brainer what you guys nak makan yang tak halal then then kau invite aku buat apa [kan]


, I hate it I aku tak aku tak suka eh paling benci aku when I hear that kind of phrase then I'm like yeah you you can't eat here then we buy side for you or something else no !wah! I I had a debate with that with Chris for the longest time you know like can't say that it's just not nice you know if you want eat eat together if not don't eat it at all that kind of thing


yeah that's why it's like it's worse I mean would they like it when when I say that oh we eat this one later we we specifically find food for you like like you like left out you know that kind of feeling


I'm like !wah! paling benci sia aku dengar apa that that phrase , then then that's why that's why I keep like distancing from a certain group of people in poly


I mean I don't I mean I I okay with them but when it comes to certain hangouts right nak nak jumpa dua orang like that I like I don't wanna really meet them anymore


, , yeah it's like you waste your time and effort keluar rumah pakai lawa lawa then kena pakai bus nye card lagi bus transportation for adult fare is so much


yeah, eh, four five times as in like to and fro back or what


!wah!, eh kak aku tanya eh kalau naik bus [kan] straight okay let's say I want go to A to B then aku naik bus aja is it cheaper than changing from bus to MRT or what


then next week just take bus all the way later I like I don't really


yeah I'm your guinea pig now ah , yeah cause like kalau aku naik bus satu jam eh if I take MRT also around forty five fifty minutes [kan] it's around the same time tapi like which one will be cheaper


and then Natalie idea did you read Natalie's the that thing


I I did the survey but I didn't see the point of having one, I think, yeah but I feel like if if I was the person cause her her topic was what technology dengan benda lain [kan] I don't know ah Singapore technology thing then I'm like okay I think I would cater more towards the disability


I think that will be more useful lah in my cause like they only have disability for what the one that we know so far is a wheelchair only


you never actually heard of other disability kind I think that will be more helpful if they research in that lah, tapi nak tunggu bus tengah crowded is a bit I don't want to pay extra money for this


, , , that's why they probaby don't get on the bus they probably take taxi [kan]


I mean (hmm) continue you continue first continue first


no no you finish your sentence first ah,


(hmm) but the thing is you don't know if they're really disabled like usually the more the the ones that you can see is the one dengan anjing [kan], then other than that a lot of people also cannot afford having that kind of help what


cause it is expensive to have a trained dog , uh , especially nak naik nak naik ape transportation [kan] public transport


yeah the yeah


yeah (uh huh), ,


yeah like I feel like we should cater our technology more towards the disabled lah, convenience right


, yeah cause they had lost one of their senses you know err not one maybe like some it's very sad lah


, yeah, yeah we're so used to having five senses susah nak compare dengan orang lain pun nak susah juga lah like we always kasihankan but we never do anything right


have you heard, I mean I I wish we are smart and got money to do this thing , have you heard of the of the of the forest fire in California is it California or Oregon ah


forest fire not fighting fire api , so apparently recently or is it this week or last week ah there is a forest fire kat California or Oregon and it was caused by a gender reveal explosion


it is so stupid diorang tak pakai otak eh it's like during summer somemore you know then they do this kind of stupid things, it's still happening now it's I think it's for few days then diorang [kan] kita nampak langit [kan] biru lawa their langit is red eh


it's constant like even in this in the morning is red colour then like it's so bad this isn't the first time that happen this is the second time that happen cause of a gender reveal thing


exactly like okay lah you want do gender reveal party it's okay I think I think it's a cute idea to have a party like that but if you wanna make an explosion in the middle of like flammable things it's a bit no brainer lah that one