ah tu lah, ya unless kalau kita kerja part time yang macam temperature taking gitu semua I mean it's it's okay lah macam good ya it's better than nothing tapi macam the thing is ah I'm just worried macam this is just macam just graduate [kan] so macam I think too much about stuff then if I take that kind of job now then macam I don't have like much experience in like uh what I want to do in the future dia macam I scared macam I'm not prepared lah but this is just me overthinking lah but if dapat dapat kerja the temperature taking pun macam bersyukur [seh] as of now


, ya that's true


, oh


oh okay


oh okay, oh


oh but like !huh!, ya, (hmm)


that sounds great then I think err my sister also took that job ah last month but like so like webinar you don't have to go to any venue [kan]


(hmm), !wow! that's really good because like actually when I joined the company the one that I'm taking a break now I actually suppose to go for a class to macam a diploma conversion ya so but then for now obviously cannot uh go to the school lah the tapi nanti if like the situation gets better than we have to go to go back to the school so macam I I don't know I feel like macam its a bit more demanding in a way macam and like I don't think we are allowed to do whatever we want I think we need to sit in like our house and like you know like just just sit macam focused on like just real school


oh no uh it's not uh teaching the kids at home but err apa itu it's just like normal school macam we learn about how to teach the kids at home but then in the morning baru kita teach the kids at school get it so from eight to eight two one we teach the kids at school real kids then balik then err the teacher that lecturer will teach us pula on like about kid


honestly I feel like a bit macam I don't know because I I didn't go for it yet [kan] macam I stopped before it started today was supposed to be the first time day first day work at the start of the class tapi from what I think ah macam it depends on the company you work with kalau the company macam give you a lot of uh things to do like homework macam preparing worksheets for the kids tu semua they don't have like a proper system like tak ada macam mana eh they tak ada their own worksheet for us to just photocopy we have to make all the worksheet so macam it's that already a a lot of workload then kita pergi sekolah we have also we also have our assignment and like test tu semua ya so it's like it's a bit macam scary [kan]


ah


, I think they because there's only one that just uh finish the diploma conversion then she's she also said macam is going to be difficult lah sebab the tempat kerja even weekend sometimes the boss I think macam she didn't like intentionally do this tapi macam just to macam she will like text us during the weekends macam to tell us need to do this this this so macam my colleague yang just finish the diploma dia cakap ah it's a bit more demanding from the company itself then macam we we also have the our stuff to do so macam she she felt like it's a bit difficult lah to go through


(hmm) ya ya, so now you doing a part time and working it's continue working at your industry or like on break too


(hmm)


oh, (hmm)


true


ya true, (hmm) (hmm)


oh so how is it so far


, (hmm)


(hmm), (hmm) ya


Amin sure Inshaallah, (hmm)


(hmm) (hmm) ya that's why (hmm), (mmhmm)


oh that's good, ah ah


oh, stress free, oh man ya that feels like me


!wah!, but then like okay so why why macam I'm stressing myself [kan] like I agree with you macam since since secondary school I already told myself macam kalau tak happy like there's no point of doing it like as long as I'm happy then I will continue then but then now [kan] macam I know okay deep down I I didn't tell anyone lah tapi macam I know deep down that I'm not happy with working with children now then but then macam I takut because I didn't have any other choice as of now like I haven't explore other than theatre tapi kat singapore theatre is not really like appreciated and especially during this CB nak buat theatre macam mana [kan] like there's no audience but I know there's some like macam virtual and stuff but then macam virtual I feel like if you are already in already in one theatre company and then obviously err you it's easier for you to


ya, early childhood the thing is like for early childhood [kan] macam I tak ada much experience other than my internship internship ya so err I and I also my diploma is not early childhood diploma is applied drama and psychology so ya so I feel like there's not much of got there's not many companies that would accept me then


ya the conversion is err is err the company itself yang I am in right now is actually macam they want they want new teachers to come in and it the boss also say that she tak ini ah tak expect us to stay very long she just uh provide a platform for a like a stepping stone gitu so macam she she encourages people to ya she macam looking for people who wants to become a new teacher there


ya so ya then the the the theatre thing macam I know deep down that I am interested in theatre lah to I want to macam act again and stuff tapi macam I know in singapore tak boleh [kan] so much that's the pressure lah ya I want to do theatre tapi macam I know it's going to be difficult on the finance like financially then


uh for like kalau I nak buat early childhood then I don't feel that happy so but then macam and early childhood is not bad the the pay [kan] especially in singapore because they need people but then like and like if I don't continue for early childhood I macam I just feel like my mum is not really supportive of me to quit lah honestly


ya it's it's not difficult it's like macam average lah tapi jap eh my mum my mum is like texting me


ya ya okay later I come back to that


I'm twenty, ya, oh okay


that's good


ya


that's that's sweet because like my mom dia macam passive aggressive tak tahu nak cakap macam mana it's like ya she macam I because dari kecil we don't really macam not very affectionate we are macam okay ya so macam kalau nak cakap dengan dia a bit awkward macam nak open up pun a bit awkward


then macam every time macam dari kecil I nangis about like oh my friend don't want to friend me all kind of things in primary school then she will be like you you go to school to to study not to to make friends so macam like she taught me to be tough lah macam like err emotions she put away emotions tu so macam sekarang I sedih I marah or like anything lah then I cannot like go to her to talk about things lah then macam I try my best walaupun dia macam push or try to avoid the emotion [kan] I will just like


try my best to explain to her lah macam what I'm feeling this way because this this this tapi then but I will text her I I cannot talk to her face to face because every time I cakap face to face she will macam like suddenly become very cold then macam don't want to make eye contact then she will just say things macam err err if you cannot do it then I cannot force you macam that kind of stuff you know so macam I know that she's not happy but at the same time like she's trying her best to not macam put any pressure on me but macam that itself already made me err pressurize ya


, ya


, so so it's like so if I uh like I what I wanted to say just now was because if I don't want to continue with this early childhood right my other choice is only the theatre come a theatre industry but then like I know theatre industry won't make much money lah as compared to early childhood


!huh! err err I I have seniors but then macam I don't really talk to them macam I really never never like try before because like I in the back of my mind I already told myself like I don't want to start if I start then like I scared like I'm stuck there macam I don't want to stop ya


and also I'm thinking about because I have a boyfriend now then like his family a bit well off lah I would I would say so macam if like I don't have any this is just me lah err if I don't have any macam any education or like any specific job in mind I scared macam like not good enough you know this is [kan]


, ah, (hmm) (hmm)


ya so ya lah so macam uh as of now he keep on saying macam don't worry don't worry tapi macam you know like at certain extent you have to worry because like that is your family obviously you say don't worry ya


like like err have you have you talk to your your boyfriend if you don't mind sharing


oh, so he's okay lah, , (hmm)


oh that's good, ya so like sekarang I I don't know if I'm doing the right thing lah because it was a hard decision for me to make to like uh stop whatever I was doing like I totally like left the company not preparing any anything for them macam macam very abruptly lah the I didn't even like a complete the worksheet for them or anything but they my colleague yang ah the one that just went through the conversion she macam very quite helpful lah she macam keep on saying oh it's okay it's okay she will do it because also like my partner somewhat err ya we teaching the we we you macam assisting the same class


(hmm) (hmm) but I didn't I didn't really have a good rapport with her before this because we were teaching assisting the the same level [kan] so macam I was err more of the art and craft and maths but she's more of the language so macam uh craft obviously have a lot more to more to prepare tu semua [kan]


then like the the thing is they they have this thing in the company macam kalau craft teacher dengan language teacher have to work together to prepare the craft materials, but then I think she didn't she didn't get that err idea so macam most of the time I was doing the craft then macam balik pun I buat craft weekends pun I buat craft so macam like it was really a lot of stress for me lah ya then err macam I macam I that point of time geram dengan dia lah macam uh dia keep on saying macam oh I'll do it I'll do it tapi end up tak buat so I macam pressured lah because I'm the one who carry out the craft lesson [kan] macam the one


ya it's a it's a proper diploma so if you have a diploma already but then you want to to macam decided to go for early childhood industry [kan] so you can apply at an at NIEC and then err and NIEC will consider ah macam but most of the time they will they will accept you ah because macam tak banyak in singapore wants to do early childhood


ya I don't know what to say about that so err so the the the diploma conversion after we apply but then err we we find a company first lah we find the company we can get sponsorship if we work with the company less than six months


then if the company also want to sponsor you then like you apply for the NIEC and then you see then you say lah the company wants to sponsor you then they will consider you if you fulfill the the requirements so macam diploma tu semua macam uh your O level english tu semua and then err they will contact you lah eh but there's only like two two openings every year if I'm not wrong there's one in in april ya april and october


ya, uh I right now I don't know if I want to continue lah because like after talking to you then macam like really make me realize macam ya I should just macam do things that made me happy because like there's no point of doing getting money getting good money if I'm not happy like how long will that last


(hmm), , (hmm)


that's that's good but then like that's I used to have savings before before joining the company [kan] and then like but the thing is I I thought I was going for the diploma conversion right so I my laptop rosak so I decided to buy a new laptop lah so because I was thinking okay with the pay that I'm getting then macam the laptop won't be so much lah and I also look for a cheap laptop not like macam one thousand plus gitu ah


it's just like six hundred seven hundred then after I got the laptop so macam my savings to terjejas like affected already then then like err when I join the company then I got the pay already right then macam okay lah my first pay so macam I belanja my my family to eat tu semua then like my boyfriend leaving so macam I help him with err not help him macam like I give him as a gift to semua macam barang-barang for NS but not everything lah within just a few then macam I didn't expect this to happen like I didn't expect that myself will like broke macam mentally broke broken


ya as in like mentally broken so like I I didn't expect things to happen then macam my savings pun now like terjejas my laptop like I'm not really using my laptop that much then macam I really feel macam everything is just


it's just cubaan now lah, uh haven't yet because like I it's just everything just started I just really like err I just quit my job last week


ya but it's very pressurizing lah because like


(hmm), ya but like I like mention ah I tak tahu if I want to continue with early childhood or not and also like I feel it's a bit unfair if I go for another early childhood company but I never tell my my err my boss that I don't want to work with her anymore


uh no I actually still have contract before until next year december ya


err she if I terminate the contract supposingly I have to pay like six thousand dollars, so but a bit too macam you know so that people don't just terminate contracts suka hati ya so but I I brought it up to her lah about my situation tu semua but she quite understanding she say macam the six thousand dollar it's just for for formality lah it's not really macam to force to force you to pay or what


so macam she just macam let err let me uh apa tu not pay it eh not pay her and just macam take a break first but like err she say if I feel better then I can I can continue working with her lah but then macam as of now I kinda have this feeling that I won't continue with her lah because really make


err I I don't think so I I ya that's good but at the same time macam I feel the guilt lah because I told her that I want to continue working but like I for now I cannot continue first I regret for saying that lah honestly because like at that point of time I really you macam have a lot in mind so macam I tell her stuff that I macam regret now


(hmm)


ya so I don't know what to do right you know that's why macam I'm supposed to take a break during tapi macam my mind just doesn't want to take a break you know you to keep on working macam why am I gonna do what am I gonna do but then macam I need to macam ya so macam I don't know I'm really lost right now lah so I'm trying my best to macam look for freelance work from home kind of thing


, (hmm)


oh okay sure sure ya sure ya can can okay thank you so much


(hmm), okay, okay


, oh okay, and segan kind also ya understood


(hmm), (hmm), ya


(hmm) oh oh, okay thank you


(hmm), okay ya that sounds so great, thank you


okay is it is it the connection the the wifi but I think my wifi ada something wrong gitu cause macam I can but then macam like very dubbing


ya I hope too ya I think it's my house wifi lah ya I think our recording should be okay, then ya lah I I I understand why what you mean by macam you shy to ask questions like for me it's not like really I'm shy because I mean I'm in I'm from drama so I'm quite like okay with talking to people but like the thing is I overthink a lot lah so macam when people macam just hesitant to say something then I will straightaway think oh I'm asking too much and like I'm troubling her or him macam I will start to to question myself lah macam like am I am I like menyusahkan or not that kind of things that's why like I don't really wanna talk not because like I ya lah sombong or what but ya I I think it's it will be great talking to someone err especially like someone that I don't know so macam I don't really have macam anything to lose so if that sounds bad but then but then macam ya


oh, oh that's so nice


it's like meant to be


ya I I think it will help definitely sikit ke banyak still help thank you so much but I just want I just want to say that I I'm really like amazed at how macam you're doing it for your own good it's like you you boleh make that decision you know of like taking a break and like exploring new things like I I don't know if I were ever have the courage to do that


ya, ya, ya lah


ya, ah ah


ya that's true, so it's like I I'm glad like even if or even that I just graduated I masih macam like in the past as they have this macam want to like put uh put some into my savings so like now macam even though it's very little but I still them don't feel like I totally broke you know ya


so macam oh but oh my god can I just rant I mean like we just met but but I just macam nak lepaskan anger gitu because like I'm so annoyed because err so this month punya pay right I didn't know that my MC because like in the contract it says that I I can get a few few days MC seven days MC so macam every time this month it's just very unlucky for me lah I got food poisoning lah I got like macam selesema lah because there has been like cold uh cold bug around the school so err then I got it also then I also macam ada panic attack in one of the night because I ingat I injured my neck so macam this month I took a lot of MC thinking that macam you can like I can claim from their MC MC lah then rupanya they cut cut it off from my from my gaji then because like err I still macam baru kerja situ it's still not three months yet something like that lah so macam they ya but she


ya but she didn't tell me my boss didn't tell me that is like I I heard macam from my I'm not I don't know lah I I know I heard it somewhere that there's no probation or anything so macam and that's why I thought macam we I already macam can claim the MC or what she also never say anything about it then after on like my second last day baru like I she mentioned ah about macam oh I took too much MC too many MC in one month like if I'm in another company definitely they will let me go and stuff so macam uh


the contract says I have uh I have seven days MC and like they never say any probation, ya but like at that point of time I already like giving her a lot of trouble you know so macam macam dah bagus dia tak suruh bayar enam enam apa enam ribu [kan]


ya that's true, no they didn't


err ya lah doesn't tapi sekarang macam I just feel a lot of guilt err towards the company so macam I tak tahu if I want to bring it up or not ah because err then okay there's a there's a continuation to that then macam they cutting from my gaji [kan] so macam I already had in mind okay my gaji month will be like a bit less but it's okay you can still sustain me for like one month then I can find like part time job and then I uh apa tu when I terminate the contract means I'm not continuing the the diploma they rupanya they will like macam will not get a refund if I apa tu err discontinue my diploma conversion in less than fourteen days


so the the company will have to pay will still have to pay around four hundred gitu so macam my gaji dah kurang then like my the the company has to pay four hundred which means I have to pay [kan] obviously the company won't ask won't macam want to pay for no reason so like I think my my pay will be like less than half you know this month then macam !aduh! sedih gila [seh]


ya, so it's like, like like I said lah that's why macam I I'm really free feel like this is my lowest point of life because like money wise then macam like my boyfriend left for NS rasa macam got triggered by my past then like my mom is like not really that supportive that much so it's like really lah what's the everything is just falling apart


(hmm), (hmm) (hmm) ya


so,


I mean other than like there's part time like macam F&B gitu lah guess can can do that tapi macam I don't know I kind of I'm not I I have this need of like expressing my thoughts so like I don't think macam I can uh I can stay in can do that kind of part time but macam if there's no choice then I don't mind trying also now


(hmm)


(hmm) (hmm) (hmm)


ya, ya maybe I could think of that too


that's true oh my god I need to keep you on reminding myself that, err actually I just when yesterday ya but then like I I did not go poly though I I went to check organization do you know


ya but then like from there then macam they will tell you lah or you you might need macam counselling or what then macam they will refer you to them lah me err I think if with them then can get a bit of subsidy ah I'm not so sure about that but then macam because yesterday when they told me about the the err what I can do next then macam rate of like err what the next thing then we just counselling lah macam is forty dollars per session so like I think it's quite okay but


err I ya I went poly polyclinic last time and they referred me to IMH ya but it wasn't it wasn't nice experience at IMH itself because like the doctor really didn't macam mana eh don't really ah take you no cannot ya


oh okay sure okay


okay me too ya, oh okay sekarang I'm doing like part time kerja part time so macam I do some actually doing financial advisory ya at the same time doing freelance freelance works ah ya macam and doing translation works for untuk bahasa melayu to and bahasa indonesia ya


ah no no no I'm actually singaporean but last time I had indonesian punya maid so sometimes ya


ya, uh ya ya ya so actually like last time my maid selalu talk to me in in bahasa indonesia macam I know how ya how to speak ya (hmm)


sorry, actually it just baru baru start so macam macam just had like briefing then uh so far haven't actually do the the translation yet ya


(hmm), oh you you also quit your job ya


I see I see ya, (hmm), ya I think macam health actually quite important lah ya I rasa macam when looking for a job it's important to


look for something that actually you would really feel happy macam what's the what's the point what's the point kalau kau pergi kerja everyday then like very stress and this kind of things is very unhealthy lah for your good for your health and stuff like that


same lah sama sama ya is is I think macam it's quite common gitu to feel that way if like when you're unhappy at the job ya


you kerja oh so baru graduate also, oh, (hmm)


oh, from which from which uni, oh sorry sorry from poly is it, , okay okay


(hmm), I see I see


oh drama side drama side macam buat apa like day to day like what is it like, (hmm)


oh macam just macam entertainment untuk dia punya budak-budak that kind of thing lah, I see I see


(hmm), okay okay


(hmm) so you're you're you're currently taking a break so your company macam allows you to to to to take breaks in between lah


dia okay I understand I see ya actually the way you feel is actually quite common lah untuk like some some of us yang baru start kerja then like like we didn't had prior experience in or maybe we had internship but it was slightly different so we thought that macam when we graduate the work would be in certain way but actually is not so I guess it's actually like macam is it a mismatch of expectations bila you baru start kerja you thought it would be something else


(hmm)


, actually good good that your boss macam I recognize that you you need to take a break then then kalau when you're better than you can always balik go back to work he said you can go back right at least he welcomes you back then that's good ya ya so for me uh ya lah macam I work for dua tahun then lepas tu uh I tried dua company tapi macam uh at the same time it felt different tapi macam same like the problem was the same that I that I face at both companies so I also macam tak tahu if it's the industry punya issue or kalau I need to change industry atau change company ya macam that that problem was in my problem was in my head for a while so I decided to macam take a break and then from there I explored different different punya industry and then at the same time I kerja part time then macam trying to at the same time I explore lah whether I feel nak stay in this industry or I want to go to something new that kind of thing it's tough lah one thing like when we graduate and then we don't know what we want to do forever kind of thing cause ya because your career is you like to decide right macam you want to stay here or move to something else like ya


ya, correct,


ya at least some more now macam it's COVID punya period then then nak nak cari kerja pun macam susah then ya so our options are limited right don't you think


, it's something better than macam nothing right


, , ya ya ya I think to be honest macam singaporean man a bit cautious or like became fikir banyak sangat of what people think of us you know right we should just can just do whatever that feels good for you then kalau doesn't it doesn't feel good then I guess it's not good for your health also then you should just do something else I guess ya I'm start I'm starting to like accept that a career doesn't always go the way you want it to go and that's and that's that's okay because not everyone has a perfect career at the start also so macam just take it day by day try something new I guess if if if you want to try something new learn something new sekarang I'm I'm actually I'm studying something about digital marketing with so macam at every ya every setiap pagi I I have to attend the what is it called a webinar ya ya it's for macam tiga jam [jer] then ada assignment then some project ya just learning new things I guess


oh the the webinar is actually uh era diploma like a full blown diploma so it's enam enam bulan then ya at the same time they are macam giving allowance for it so I guess that's good ya tapi those (hmm) tu actually untuk mid career adults lah macam those that ada work experience but you want to try something new so I just just took this opportunity to learn something new lah I guess ya


ya, (hmm)


(hmm), ya


but how macam mana nak teach the kids if it's working at home I don't understand


oh okay okay


(hmm) okay I see I see I see sebab dia what do you feel about on on that that kind of arrangement


(hmm), okay


oh, (hmm), oh that's (hmm)


ya macam overload of things to to do right do you feel,


(hmm), (hmm), I see I see


I see


that's true


(hmm) sounds very challenging lah macam susah so, ya so macam I told you I took a break from I I totally left my industry at the moment lah so I started taking I started joining this financial advisory punya company then dia orang give like trainings to to prepare us lah macam how to how to like you know prospect for clients macam how to basically like sell their their products that kind of thing ya so at because I rasa sales punya skill is quite important macam in every industry you go is quite important to be able to sell your ideas or kalau be it ideas or products to anybody lah so so I rasa macam it's a good opportunity for for me to learn new skills like sales is not easy right this is what I learn macam susah to macam convince people to actually buy into your idea or buy into whatever it is you are selling ya so it's it's a process lah I'm I'm still it's it's been about three months ya so thing ya


(hmm) I macam baru start meeting clients that uh there are some potential potentially potentially that potential clients sorry ya so that one ya will have to follow up on that ah ya


so other than that macam I think you what you said about an environment a good environment is quite important to be in a good environment and supportive like make you macam want to go to work everyday that kind of thing you know ya so so far so good I guess tapi macam I haven't actually had a successful sale but hopefully soon ya ya


then thank you then for the ya for the part time work ya I just started because I wanted to macam earn extra income ya ya so it's in a sense macam or even though sekarang I'm like not earning as much as last time I feel like more happy macam ya like I don't bangun tak rasa macam stress or in like angry you know that kind of thing ya like then you go then after work macam you don't feel so fed up like you don't feel like not talking to anybody this macam how I felt lah everyday after after work last time like you balik rumah macam tak ada mood to talk ya you just want to like bathe and sleep ya ya


oh man ya that feels like me, ya I think it's common like macam I spoke to my kawan my friends dia orang pun macam rasa the same the same thing lah ya but those for those that are not happy with their work ya so


(hmm) yes yes yes


then you got try macam try company company lain tak like because ini your first job [kan], so you did you like try to apply for different companies see whether macam is different environment that could maybe make you feel differently about the work itself


(hmm)


oh okay okay okay, but you said you did the conversion


(mmhmm)


I see I see so this is like the conversion thing you're talking about lah oh okay


, ya


is it you are supporting financially ke or dia boleh pay for dia punya own things like oh is it difficult,


I see I see okay then I will just I will just talk about myself ya ya ya okay so ya it's really macam it's I think sekarang we're in a very difficult punya position pasal there are many things that we are expected to be able to achieve by now so actually I'm twenty I'm twenty six years old how about you


oh you are twenty only oh sorry sorry I'm twenty five not twenty six ya so like and ya at at at the same time my my mak and my my dad don't pressure me lah like because ya even though I'm already twenty five tapi dia orang macam they know it's not easy lah our time to like they said last last time by twenty five dia orang dah kahwin dah ada anak you know that kind of thing but they but they don't macam push that idea on to me that you know that kind of pressure so I think ah macam syukur lah like I feel quite


not stressed at home which is great lah because some people feel stressed at work and at home you know that another thing ya so I'm thankful for that ya I'm thankful for that at least ya


oh I know what that means ya, eh same same ya


same same


(hmm), (hmm)


oh


I see ya I think macam same my family macam not very affectionate also when growing up what macam don't we don't really communicate face to face with so much, ya I think it's common more common that you think but like at the same time it's not that great not something to be proud of ya ya


, you ada connections with like theatre punya like people in the theatre industry do you have connections


no time is it like no (hmm)


, ya I know what you mean actually I'm also seeing someone then I also feel a bit down like but even though even though like I don't really talk about it like ya I do worry about like what what I'm whether I'm doing enough at the moment kind of thing ya so I think is understandable what you feel I've totally get it ya


ya I get it, , actually macam I just told him I am exploring something new lah while because like at the same time also learning like macam tengah belajar new things ya while I take advantage of the trainee trainee not really trainee right it's like a course by SG united so macam I'm just taking a break it's been about two three months plus ya about almost almost four months


, then I feel I mean because I I don't depend on him for anything lah like I can pay for my own things like I ada savings and that kind of thing so I mean he is he's okay with that lah like he kind of like supportive I guess ya


but I guess like ada ada like I guess like it's normal to feel not good enough when you're not sure also ya, ya


ya, ya I think macam having colleagues they are so helpful is so great for for any workplace lah it's it's quite important to have a supportive your colleagues that you can talk to laugh with that kind of thing macam it you make you look forward to nak pergi kerja you look forward to seeing them


oh oh


okay, oh okay


oh, ya Irritatingnya


(hmm), (hmm) (hmm), (hmm)


then dia orang dia orang tak bayar OT (hmm), oh that sucks


(hmm) oh you mean the your conversion is is a proper diploma or what like macam mana like how does it work, (hmm)


(hmm), is it I didn't know


ya and then ya so ya, (hmm)


, (hmm)


(hmm) so little, oh so october is now


at the same time I rasa like while we're still young important to save also lah saving is quite important ya ya so macam since since I was young [kan] I always believe in saving then macam I am quite thrifty lah macam and like macam tak spendthrift sangat so like I made sure to to have enough savings lah so that on a rainy day I won't feel the pain so hard ya


ya, (hmm) ya


(hmm), (hmm), (hmm)


(hmm)


(hmm), oh but


(hmm) oh I thought I thought oh okay


oh ya ya that's why you already started already


oh but now is the intake right you said october you just check macam apply for fun lah like what's what's it there's nothing to lose kalau you apply if anything there's a there's something to gain right (hmm)


oh okay okay okay


ya tapi you can just tell her later [kan] like macam that you you're but you're officially left right you said, oh


(hmm), then kalau kalau you leave you must bayar dia punya six thousand ke tak like it like if you do finally decide


oh that's good


(hmm), , oh so sorry


oh


I totally get it get it ya, okay actually I ada kawan yang just started the early childhood she also was from engineering punya field then I think she did the conversion but I don't know whether is it's the same conversion as you


ya so kalau you want you want me to connect you with her I can give you her number that you can talk to her then like find out more about dia punya program how it when cause I think she's been there for she's been there for about three months or something few four months


ya, can later I will give you her number ya then , no worries then then from there maybe you can like decide whether you want to continue or not cause she switch industry totally so dia totally no background in early childhood whatsoever but she wanted to try and she she I think she's okay I'm meeting her next week so hopefully she's okay you can find out from her I will tell her that that that I have a friend who wants to find out more early childhood then can ya then I think it's important to talk to people macam sometimes you feel shy right I am also a shy person so I don't really like asking I don't really asking people for opinions or held that kind of thing it's not macam out of arrogance is just like personality


so ya macam some ya ya ya that feeling what's segan to us just sometimes that feel that way tapi actually it's quite important it's quite important to to to talk to people who already have experience macam whatever you have experience lah then you can maybe hopefully get encouragement or like inspiration from this this kind of people ya


then can maybe made you look forward to something better and maybe she can even recommend you to her company you know you never know, ya I would link you I would link you I would link you up later then at least macam lah like like after you talk to her then if you realise okay I really don't wanna do early early childhood then you can start looking at other industry lah then at least you roll one out


ya, yup I'll text her later I'll text her later than I'll give you her number she's a very nice person ya


can you hear me can you hear me, oh I hope our recording is not affected recording is not wifi [kan], (hmm) ya


oh I, okay okay, (hmm) ya


(hmm), oh


okay okay, ya


ya ya she's very nice she's very nice ya, so actually I met her from like a random punya part time job also then macam we got close ya after like a few few weeks ya so then we kept in touch and macam after how many years still keeping in touch which is like as if like we know each other so long ya


so ya macam random it's like a random near two two weeks or three weeks job then after that we still keep in touch so it's quite nice ya


ya okay so maybe hopefully after that it will help you lah I just wanted to like try help you a little bit but don't know whether it will help ya , ya


no worries okay


I don't know I think macam I'm I I I before I do things I put a lot of macam thought into it it's not macam a fleeting decision like I was really macam very stressed out at my previous workplace then I was like okay I had enough nowadays I need I need a real break like even even my punya bosses all like understand lah like my work was difficult lah like I was facing a difficult punya client macam everyday hentam on email kind of thing so it was very stressful ya


so, at the same time macam as in like I said lah because I had macam savings to to tide me over a few months of not working so that that's that's important lah like like what I'm telling you cause like you're younger right


ya so like, (hmm) important to save ah, so that I know like if you do need to take a break you can afford it you know that kind of thing like I know not everyone can afford not everyone can afford to do what I'm doing lah ya it's not it's not easy to like especially imagine kalau you ada children or what you know not they they cannot definitely cannot do what I'm doing lah like take a break and not work kind of thing


(hmm) so


(hmm), (hmm), good for you lah, sure


(hmm)


oh no, (hmm), why


oh probation ah macam sekarang sekarang is probation period is it


then you actually you can demand for that you know, uh , no but your contract said you have MC so actually macam you have like a right to keep fight for it ya and then dia orang tak they didn't write anything about probation right in the contract then actually you can ya if I were you I would have fought


you mean oh


that sucks though, (hmm) ya that ya


oh ya


oh only one kakak lah, !huh! sorry oh see I see okay ya I'm also not tak tak not close to my siblings my elder siblings too pasal dia orang dah marry and then left also like move out ya it's it's common lah


(hmm), so I hope everything will be better for you after you speak to my friend or that or like after you find something that you decide to do part time to like macam sustain you for awhile and not have to think so much about money


ya, yes yes yes I agree ya I agree that (hmm) that is so important macam not many jobs are like that these days in singapore


ya, (hmm)


but ya hopefully you find something that makes you happy that's quite as in even if it's not happy doesn't make you unhappy ya


or maybe like if you do need help to like have you consulted like polyclinic to get referral to doctors


oh you have already that's good because I have friends who did the same, no what's that


oh that's good


okay have you tried the polyclinic route cause a lot of people do that way I don't know whether it's cheaper, oh okay, is it


cannot choose the opinion hospital leh cannot choose okay it is one hour you want to stop stop this one do we stop we stop okay


okay okay clap eh, okay [dah], alright, uh okay so, for a start


uh the, uh paling tua is uh


uh the the no not for the the number three and number four, ya uh not twins they coincidentally the same month lah, , ya


, uh two boys two girls, ya boy boy girl


ya, uh it's a bit hard to plan ah I mean we plan for the first and second the third one was kind of planned uh fourth kira surprise ah


ah okay okay four four kids also, ah, ,


ah okay, ya ya ya ya, ya, ah, I'm just I'm just looking forward I'm just looking forward to that


ya ya ya think at least at least fifteen years old, for me, , , our birthdays are celebrated by all four kids at the same time so everyone's birthday you have to have


uh you know that kind of thing so we are I mean we are used to it lah


yeah, ya, ah, ya, ya, correct I I I don't want to be reminded of my age I know I'm old I know I'm the wrong side of thirty


but okay fine fair enough for the kids ah, correct correct, ya ya


, ya, , ah then, for ah for us we will jemput the cousins which is I think about twelve twelve thirteen of them


so very very kecoh very riuh ah, ya, correct ya ya, and and and the best part all of them are around the same age I think within five years six years of each other


, ah, ah yes yes correct correct yes, always we always try to buy eggless cakes ah or sugarless cakes or something like that


but ya ya but then and and is is, funny the culprit is always the grandparents


ya ya correct, ya is the same same thing ya, correct kasi air air apa uh gassy drink sugary drinks


we can't we can't stop them ah then they will say ah budak-budak sekali sekala but the sekali sekala is like every weekend , ya correct correct


, , , yes yes, correct correct ya


, ya ya correct, okay so tell me about yourself,


, okay, oh okay


ya okay


oh okay


, out of the country ah


, , ah okay okay,


, which was what I was doing lah before this before the whole COVID thing, ya


ah yup uh events events I was doing events ya is sales also ah part part of it is sales, so ya uh for about , is is the industry you call MICE meeting incentive conference exhibition ah MICE call MICE industry so what my company did is a US company ah they have an office in singapore so we


travel uh around asia pacific begin business conferences yup so that's what I did before COVID hit the our industry very hard lah, so ya but ya


gatherings large large gathering correct is very hard already hopefully next year good news with the vaccine and all that but uh not putting any hopes of next year lah ,


correct correct ya ya, it it was funny because before that before I I I'm in this uh industry for about three three plus years


so before that I was actually working for ministry of finance as an accountant for seven years ya uh uh, I was good at it uh it was actually I think my second job ya second full time job ah before that I was uh with Starhub for about one year plus


ah then I got my certification and all that then I went to ministry of finance, so uh I was good at it uh being an accountant but I hated that job tak suka sangat


err ya I mean I was pretty good at it ah I wouldn't say I'm like one the at it I'm pretty good at it I survived there for seven seven years but after around five years, err I had a [dah] [dah] boring [dah] so sick and tired of the job so I ask for a for to resign but then my boss cakap ah no no cannot I'm I'm not


letting you resign you stay for one more year okay then I stay for one year so six years already at the end of the six years the the yearly review you know the one to one talk with the bosses then I said okay I'm gonna to resign already no no no you stay for one more year okay [dah] stay I there they manage to stop me


so after seven years when I went into the living room I went in I sit down with my manager and my director before I sat down I told them okay both of you be quiet I'm going to talk, I told them I'm going to resign and there's nothing both of you can say that I that will make me stay okay so that's that I don't want to hear my grade I don't want to hear how much bonus you wanna give me I want to resign


ah, , ya it ya that's a good thing about government job is literally what they call iron rice bowl so I'm very I'm pretty sure that even during now this COVID time I will still be getting my pay eventhough work from home and all that I will not ever be getting retrenched from a government job


but that's the thing I just didn't like that job it was just like apa nak cari makan punya kerja just that's it ya I I err I couldn't see ya couldn't see myself, but I wouldn't say five ah I couldn't see three more years in that job


so I just okay that's it no more already so I went to I went to sales, , okay


oh enam tahun bond okay that's that's long okay, ah okay okay


, oh okay , so he he is doing that now lah ah okay okay ya more in more in demand


ya ya, , , , so so it it it is it is it doing the


the the apa tu apa what the swabbing the swabbing thing for the foreign workers also, ah,


oh okay okay , ,


ah okay okay,


ya ya correct,


ah twenty twenty four hours lah, all round the clock , ya ya


philippines malaysia, uh china uh, where else ya I think this Indonesia ya ya


weird ah ada juga pergi europe ah mana ni uh london uh africa also pernah ghana I went to ghana , last year


, oh really which country (uh huh), (uh huh)


oh alright okay okay,


, C H already ah ah ya, ah okay okay ah (mmhmm)


zambia yes , , ah,


, ah okay okay okay okay


so, a few days is ah,


, (mmhmm)


ya ya ya correct correct ya ya , oh okay okay so no distractions


, harder lah it's harder lah ah ya, , , correct


ya ya correct correct, , notepad pen and notepad always in the pocket


, there's not


the old modem ah ya ah ya , ah now err advance already uh was err err uh cuppage yes correct the cuppage I was there for less than two years ah err one year one year plus


Starhub ah, ah ya I I was actually uh in the SCV department, and SCV when Starhub took over ya ya correct so they open up a an a whole department for SCV ah


ah okay, ah, ah yes yes Rakuten ya all that correct yeah


ya exactly , correct ya, for me I I I told my wife already lah once Disney plus comes out we will just subscribe to Disney plus lain semua boleh terminate


ya ya ya ya I wait, Disney they they own everything ah basically so ya everything's on Disney already so might as well just get Disney,


, oh okay okay okay ya ya, I I'm going through it right now lah


, ya ya ya correct


ah, ya , ya lagi kecoh , (uh huh) ah ya ya for for


or the parents kasi the uh budak-budak the handphone which they are glued to while in a stroller !wah! I'm really against that that's my one of my pet peeve ah the ah, ya I mean then I even some of my friends ah anak dia nangis sikit aja !fuh! terus kasi handphone like ya correct it's like that's the wrong uh you I mean you do your own parenting way lah but


for one hour or so then, I I mean it's wrong lah is is something wrong lah , and it's very common ya ya ya ya ya ah ya ya ya


, ah I know I know I know I know


ya ya,


correct , , too much ah ya correct


, correct correct


, ya there's always some of my classmates ah do the same thing sikit [jer] handphone sikit [jer] tablet even three four year old [dah] belikan handphone like oh my god are you serious like


the current generation very apa tech savvy you have to be tech savvy to to to to survive in this world but they're, five six seven year old let them go out and run and fall down


and scrape their knees or something just let them do kid stuff right ah then in the end, in the end all will grow up to be introvert just stuck on the phone stuck on the laptop or tablet or whatever it is it's not not good for the future for their future ah


yes correct


in your own devices, ya ya ya tegur ah


ya, correct correct


, , no no communication skill right, ya ya


ya ya, , ah , okay


ah, individual lah this one individual, ah ya ah, correct, oh oh one of my one of my pet peeve ah one of the things I always


cakap oh today ah nari my wife working ah so is my daddy duty day, that that word daddy duty or mummy duty that that always gets on my nerve, to me that's the wrong term it's called parenting the correct word should be parenting is not daddy is not the duty I mean you had your child


and then you want to call it a duty like, like I mean is parenting what , ya you don't don't say oh I cannot go out is my daddy daddy duty day or something like that come on man is ya exactly is this is twenty four hours a day correct for the next what fifty years


, , , the child yes


, ya,


, , correct correct , ya exactly exactly ya


it is is is the term how they phrase it lah to me lah it's just, I will always melenting ah macam apa daddy duty is parenting what is your Anak'S daddy what do you mean daddy duty, ah is is that I think it's just me ah I very very


, okay


, yeah


, ah, okay okay ya ya understand


ah okay okay, , ya


, , ya lah correct lah


, , ya must go out ah ya like like like like like me lah now I'm still working from home but my kids semua [dah] pergi sekolah oh it's heaven man


so during the the, that that one month or so circuit breaker everyone was at home ya I I cannot do any work literally cannot but nasib baik some of my apa event is following


err europe hours or US hours so will be malam ah so I malam I mean they are they'll be sleeping anyway so ya that's when I can actually do my work lah, correct correct


ya so, err I think our common interest is travelling lah [kan], ya ya ya travelling


ya I I I really miss travelling lah for the past like half a year


uh half a week or something then balik dua tiga hari balik dua tiga hari balik that's what, I actually did but the good thing about my job the our conferences are always on a weekday is never on the weekend, so weekend I'll always be home ah ya ya ya


ya just tengok-tengok ah macam ah especially like like it's the first time I've been to that country lah then macam boleh jalan-jalan beli apa souvenirs lah ya ya ya but there there there's also a few time macam with mah apa pergi london or pergi US


then I will bring my family lah so I extend my stay there for like one week, ya correct ya ya macam the, last one was uh tahun lepas kita pergi london so uh my wife uh tak pernah pergi so uh


err yes it was during the cold season ya it was ah but that's not not not really snow in london lah so but it was very cold I think like three four degrees something like that,


, snow eh ah ya very weird eh, , yes yes correct the dirty brownish , ,


yes you are correct , yes correct ya exactly like that ya ya only the colour lain , ya


yup ya correct correct so, ah ya ya correct, is is err


uh we actually travel around london for work I was there


ah so the err wi~with my kids semua lah, so went err london bridge apa london eye, ah what have you lah in london, ah then ya correct correct the the harry potters ah all that so hogwarts ya correct then uh lepas tu


ya lah the eiffel tower and all that, ya, Disneyland uh no we we didn't go err we spend about one day in paris ah one and half day ah ya overnight there


err then lepas tu pergi where is that, uh castles, ah night train uh night train pergi uh uh brussels


got uh ya, yes correct , that the good thing about that area is all semua connected by train, ya so kita just naik the train from paris you go all the way to brussels


ah to london, then from there I actually we actually went to apa ni manchester tengok bola ya I'm a big big fan lah


so uh I will never ah, I will I will never leave I will never leave ah london without going to manchester and watching one game oh okay talking about that my profile photo yang uh tengah main bola lah tu [kan]


it's a very cool story to that ah there's a very good back story to that, err you uh three years ago two thousand seventeen, okay so uh what happened, uh dulu Uber was in singapore


ya okay uh yup so uh and that year I think early two twenty seventeen Uber was a sponsor for uh became a sponsor for manchester manchester united so they had a competition, uh they have competition they said ah okay you answer a few questions and you win a a jersey man U jersey okay lah then I just enter lah I just enter and on the the Uber app just enter my name my details so that uh was in the morning on on the work day ah so lunch time lunch time I keluar makan dengan my colleague


then tengah makan then ada orang call cakap uh hi mister Alif uh I'm I'm calling from Uber uh you entered the competition, ah ya ya we are coming to pick you up in five minutes say ah pick me up what do you mean pick me up I thought I just need to answer a few questions ah ya you answer the question in the car we'll be filming everything oh okay lah


[kan] fine ah okay fine then masuk later then in the car they had GoPros all over the car then ah ah then they ask question by question then I got all correct lah, all correct then they gave me a jersey okay then uh they said okay mister Alif uh we have one more bonus question ah if you get it wrong we'll take back the jersey but if you get it right you keep the jersey and we give you a special prize on top of it ah then I eh


that's what they say lah that's what they say they will take away the jersey ah but I don't think so lah I mean honestly they won't waste my time


time like that lah ah then okay lah nevermind I I say say okay I I'll try the question you sure okay I'll try the question then they ask the question and I got it correct ah then they, they gave me they they gave me a box with the word manchester letter on it okay then they said okay you open up the box your prize is inside okay I open up the box


then I saw on this cardboard ah gambar manchester gambar of the city and then they on the bottom they said you are going to manchester


then I was I was repeating it lah out loud right you are going to manchester then I look up at them at there were like the crew was like, six of them ah six seven of them all were like looking at me look waiting for my reaction know then like ah the all were filming ah correct I was like you are going to manchester what do you mean you are going to manchester


that's it ya that's that's it you you already in you are going wait wait wait are you saying that I'm I'll be going to manchester yes we are sending you to manchester alright, what like terus [dah] terlompat-lompat kat situ , ya so ya


ya ya uh plus one there was uh me and plus one, so is a is a is a is a fully paid trip for seven days pergi uh their, stadium jumpa the player pergi their training ground ah everything was


fully paid ah, but I I did, I didn't bring my kids ah I just brought my friend I didn't bring bring my wife I brought my friend that was also a, a fan lah ah so so that photo was actually kat the their apa ni training training ground their training ground so we we had a a a small football tournament between the winners from other countries


ah so there's one uh one from singapore one from malaysia one from brazil one from france one from every all over ah I think there's about twenty-four countries, ah so


then they said ah I asked them when am I going ah next week said are you sure next week ya we have the dates for you because we'd be watching this specific match lah next week , okay uh can no worries I I'll arrange everything so I went back to kerja they are but said this was during lunch time so lambat ah so I went back to kerja I went to my manager lah first she look at me alif where have you been K ah I have a very cool story to tell you you're not gonna believe it but


you have to believe it I it happen lah so I told her the whole story lah then after like ten minutes of talking to her dia cakap Alif kalau [dah] lambat cakap aja lambat tak payah come up with all these stories


then, I said no it's the truth it's the truth anyway I'll be going to manchester next week I need to take one week leave off say are you kidding me like ya say no next week you have this meeting you have this this this then I say no if you don't let me take my leave next week I swear to you I will resign right here right now


correct exactly, then then, but but at that point of time there did there's no like email or anything to proof know so then where where I went ah


uh is ya it's just that that thing lah I mean anyone could just printed that thing what the the the jersey also anyone can just buy the jersey what in singapore, so ah I just had that as my proof so-called proof so I balik I told my wife my wife pun tak percaya


I woke my wife ah you see you see tengok see is real I'm not lying I'm not dreaming is real


then then the next day I call uh in my chat group ah my friends chat group okay guys I won a trip blah blah blah gini next week I will put this out now first person who reply I will bring that person, then then


ya this guy replied lah okay okay I I can take you I can take you okay we go then yang lain semua eh tak fair [seh] aku tak tak baca pun aku tengah kerja ah I didn't read your message ah then sorry man I, there's no easy way to choose so this is this is the easiest bro


player free travel free hotel everything I just need to spend duit belanja lah, from from mana ah ah


oh okay okay okay okay, ah, ah ah okay okay


, okay correct


ya ya ya ya, ah ya liverpool ya ya, ya, correct


correct ya ya


ya ya ya ya,


, oh really, ah okay okay ah ah okay


, premium outlet oh the the the the big mall eh the the big premium outlet mall ah okay okay


ah ya ya ya ya ah,


ah ah okay , !wah! ship back to singapore lah or something ah ya ya oh okay


if central central paris ke the outskirts, it, sixteen district eh uh ya ya I ah sixteen quarter ah


ah ah ah okay the ada eiffel tower,


okay okay , ah okay okay, that that that time we kita pergi night train from london


so kita jalan lah jalan around the area, train semua what what's the train say the, ah #gare du nord# ya #gare du nord# we walk, ah jalan through the streets know sightseeing always sampai the


ah, the loop, yup then some ya pernah but okay lah they are they are okay ah, then from there ah yup ah satu naik stroller ah satu the the smallest one ah ah


ya ya ya ya banyak halal ya ya correct, ah my god ya ya ya ya middle east ya, ah ah ya then


then, ah river tour the the sand sand river all that semua ah ah


ah ah yes that's one that's one correct correct ah ah ah , ah then then situ kira macam rest lah


then ah we oh ah you remember the last year was it the #notre dame# uh cathedral burn down ah, we ya we ya we were we were there like one month before


ah, right ah correct ya ya, and it is is is is an actual accident lah it's not not some sabotage not a terrorism or whatever it's just it's an actual accident


ya ya


correct ya very very very the buildings ah are are superb man the


ah correct correct ya ya , it it become very boring, ah very bland ya ya


ah, you talking about dirty [kan] I have friends in london I have friends from paris, I ask them the one the french guys will say oh london is dirty


the english guys oh paris is dirty but to me dua-dua equally dirty the difference is paris has ah more sightseeing places, ah


ya ya ya ya ya so, , correct correct ya ya ya ya, , ya ya


the the the the the the ah we hopefully lah next year ,


, ah ah okay okay


, ah okay okay, ya ya yeah


correct correct yeah yeah ya ya ya


the the dekat-dekat first ah, ah I mean I mean to to be honest Johor really needs us , Johor needs singaporeans to enter, ya correct


, ah ya ya correct correct correct the workers lah ya


, , , correct correct, then there's there's this apa shopping mall baru lah apa nama dia they


paradigm was it paradigm I think so lah but ah like last year open is it I I went there I went there last year ah, lah something like that ah


literally every shop in that mall I think is paradigm ah I I can't remember the name you boleh pakai Nets so it's obviously catered for singaporeans what


ah who works here ya ya correct, , ah, ah okay okay ya ya ya


ah, ya is always ah POSB,


ya ya ya ya payroll account, , ya ya ya, ya ya


ya


ya correct correct , ah, hopefully everything goes back lah next year


, ya ya correct correct


okay talking about travel what's the your favourite favourite place to travel to or country or whatever, ah, ,


okay okay, ya ya ya,


, , correct correct ya,


ya ya, , , ya, correct correct ya


ah,


oh okay okay, , ya,


, , okay oh


okay okay oh, one hour oh okay, alright alright okay can I'll stop now


okay okay clap eh clap, [dah], okay,


, ah,


, oh twins eh


ah okay, , semua boys, in that order lah


ah macam planning bar goal lah ni


macam my cousin, , four kids juga so what happened was uh for them the first three, already in university and


like just before university lah then dorang pun happy happy [kan] !yay! [dah] boleh semi retire, [kan], hurrah hurrah [kan] mane kita nak pergi let's travel around the world


, I think it's a long way to go when they are, , but it'll be fifteen years of fun lah so what's usually a birthday like


, , , , , uh macam gitu lah kalau birthday ni selalu we always tell people that you know ah really ah even when the adults celebrate the birthday [kan] frankly speaking !alamak! you know is really ah for the kids you know


, it is really for them pasal macam they really get into it you know nanti [kan] uh bila you tell them eh no need lah anything lah


coke anything also can but the kids are the ones that like oh must put this must put that oh must sing put the candle ah semua ni [kan] all them ah


, oh, , , that's why we say lah you know like that's what the house ah will come falling down I tell you ,


, and you know lah usually eh some adults ah one or two of them will make the fatal mistake you know to give sugar,


or sugar reduce drinks you know, , a'ah, ini topic eh I tell you eh I think every young adult ah will know this topic very well


[kan] [kan] kita selalu gaduh [kan], , (ppc), ,


I think it's more frequent than that [kan] if only it was only every weekend you know pasal every weekend [kan] is when you actually see tau


you know they they will just say no but that's you what you know


this is for my grandchildren !wah! , the double standard ah very good ah, ah so for me


I was studying away [kan] abroad then after that when I was working also I was living abroad most of the time pasal kena posting, so selalunye not here so when I'm back usually


my mak [kan] pasal my apa parents my late father dengan my mak my mak masih ada lah tapi my father [dah] arwah so I moved them into my place lah so when I'm home in singapore ah I jaga all my anak sedara lah


so that's why I been there done that with all the birthdays lah you know , (ppc), , err dulu mula-mula kerja dengan apa err foreign service


ah jadi macam err, you know couple of years and then after that you know when the big boss say eh you go ah ah then you go lah so to be honest lah I spent most of my uh youth away pasal belajar [kan] you know away in university


as a young twenty something I'm usually out, , out of the country the thing is ye lah [kan] people always say eh but you come back what you know what's the big deal but I said ya but people usually travel I don't travel I live away


that ah that the big different lah pasal most people [kan] macam business especially you go in go out keluar masuk lepas tu ye lah paling-paling maybe seminggu you know, one and a half weeks right go to two countries seal up your deal


ah so what were you doing before COVID sales, ah okay okay, (uh huh) ya


what kind of events, , , ,


, oh now MICE ah, anything to do with travel anything to do with you know err in and out of country


gatherings, (ppc), , ya everyone now just I think on survival mode lah you know basically now we all just day by day by day by day lah


, ah


ah okay K, your first job lah, , ,


ah, ah, ini biasa lah


, (ppc) , ,


(ppc) , ah, , tapi apart from macam bonus macam grade [kan] I mean takde apa-apa macam incentive ke or


ah, ya, ya


ya, , (ppc), , , uh is just to put ah betul lah


actually ah your, ya actually ah your situation were quite similar to one of my good friend lah pasal kita pergi sekolah sama-sama dulu-dulu [kan] one of my friend so he was


uh like you accountant also err SIA SQ so actually SIA yang hantar dia so went to UK belajar lepas how many years ah three years ya three years lepas tu balik lah balik then of course serve the bond lah


if I'm not wrong, uh uh for accounting, not too bad pasal pun for them dorang habiskan NS dulu baru pergi unlike me lah pasal for me [kan] disrupt uh NS


then ah then pergi luar lepas tu ah balik you see so, err ye lah for, for me a bit different so lepas tu my friend balik as usual lah kita [kan], keep in touch


you know especially when biasa lah [kan] ada baby then baby shower


eh I'm leaving ah my job, his last six years lah ah, you know I thought SQ's very good what no ye lah but this is different I won't be going for posting what you know just stay office counting accounting accounting know to cut long story short apa dia jadi nursing officer


ah dekat hospital, until today (ppc) ah pulak sekarang COVID [kan] ah pulak dia #tan tock seng#, ah !wah! high demand bukan more in demand high demand sekarang mengeluh aja lah so he saw already like !alamak! kene shift work lepas tu tengok sape foreign worker everyday [kan]


they keep coming back tahu because now they know what to do like oh my back pain uh dapat MC oh I feeling


a bit fever [kan] and a lot of them now get full medical check up, [kan] pasal when you tell them (ugh) my chest (ugh) cannot breath sir (ugh) (ugh) (ugh) ah then you cannot take the risk [kan]


, so he will tell them eh you look familiar didn't I see you one month ago your MC over ah, !huh! but it's tough lah, because the shift work eh


I mean basically err you don't have enough people lah, I mean that one for sure lah it must be twenty four hours pasal you just never know when this virus will strike [kan] ah so sebab itu susah eh for your job yang last time tu so you say you cover asia pac selalunye which countries ah


, oh indonesia


ah, ah,


africa was actually my first department, ah see I'm older than you [kan] so tahun sembilan puluh lima that's when I first started on the desk lah so I covered all fifty-four african countries


so I always joke, and tell people lah I literally cover [kan], what do you mean ah I said no no I cover the whole alphabet you wait ah okay #angola botswana# chad


pasal chad is spelt C H A D you know ah and then Djibouti pasal starts with a D D J, I B O U T I [kan] E ethiopia right all the way to zambia zimbabwe ah


you know dua minggu pergi so two weeks there you'll be like you in south africa


then go to Namibia then go ghana then go Botswana, then come back ah, then after one month eh you go back there again then you go to you know macam Namibia then you go to south africa then maybe you go switzerland


[kan] macam gitu ah but back then ah, got a lot of things to do [kan], within say three days you are in one country ah !wah! you just pack the program


from breakfast early breakfast or you may even have working breakfast [kan], so from that time ah you know sampai ke malam ah then even after you finish your dinner you might still meet up you know for a couple of short meetings and then you also still have to do your work [kan]


so ah it's fun ah especially when you're twenty something [kan] penat pun penat lah of course but you know it's fun get to see the world ah by the way this is pre-laptop pre-handphone ah I'm different era


uh no distraction but also [kan], you know then you want to look for somebody you call their hotel number [kan] and then you must remember which room they are in [kan]


then uh you cannot find uh where you're going mana ada Google map Google Earth ni semua right so !wah! everyone cakap eh, now ah I cannot imagine ah, how you all last time ah work without all these ah


and I always tell people ya you all ah think now life so Mafan ah susah lah ini lah itu lah leceh lah you know but imagine my time I told them started work ah no laptop is this thing called ah desktop


you know then when the first of the, uh when internet came along and then you are supposed to uh surf and, do some research [kan] then you must call up


your , uh ya what is it service provider ah using modem, , eh but when you first started at Starhub !wah! already [kan]


ah ah Starhub cuppage ah ah ah ah , Starhub was quite good also ah back then


ah , I've always been on SCV, (ppc) , in the which department, , oh when they itu ambil lah [kan]


, nah I I've been uh using SCV until today cuma sekarang supplement uh gunakan Netflix [kan] gunakan you know Rakuten View


ah banyak lagi lah sometimes you wonder still worth it or not, , two ah macam macam [dah] tak worth it gitu lah [kan] pulak kena bayar tiap-tiap bulan


eh good eh, (ppc),


now they are smart they know what to to target, I went through that whole apa uh how shall I put this ah I went through that whole cycle ah [kan] that whole cycle ah, of dora the explorer thomas the train ben ten


, power ranger, twinx the magical fairy ini semua [kan] that that was I went through the whole cycle


then you know lah I'm not a big fan of letting them watch anything, on uh handphone or tablet or whatever you see ya I bucked the trend long ago I always tell them kalau nak tengok semua share okay


, , ah good for you ah, (ppc)


ah macam Panadol you know, ,


I think fair enough everyone has their own parenting style but I think you are absolutely right macam mana pun [kan] I mean cannot lah you know when ipad first started [kan] I realised a lot of people buy stroller


then there's that little hook that you can put [kan] dorang taruk situ then babies are watching it you know I started seeing that very quickly you see so, macam kenapa lah you know maybe lah you call me jurassic eh pasal I'm conservative about this thing [kan] macam !huh! why is your baby looking at Youtube lah and this and that [kan] to me if your baby's crying number one is actually good for baby to cry pasal dia punya lung


basically crying for attention you know and once they have human touch as you know you [kan], father of four [kan] you tahu lah [kan] budak-budak ni semua bila nangis then you kasi attention sikit aja semua okay


but I don't understand ah this parents [kan], ah there must be other horror stories you see [kan],


ah, (ppc)


ah, exactly exactly ah sama lah,


no pasal you pun sekarang tengok nanti bila family keluar [kan], it's getting to be quite disturbing to me lah eh you know is quite disturbing lah no you go and see especially pre COVID when families can go out [kan] then you see eh father mother two kids maybe ah maybe got maid lah eh doesn't matter


then everyone is looking at their phone, while eating you know so to me is like eh, you are here to it as family so each one of you are too busy with your Instagram your work mail your Whatsapp so what's the point ah oh my friends semua marah if I


say things like that you know ah kena tegur sikit je semua melenting so macam no lah you don't understand so I will said so what is it that I don't understand I live on the same planet way I have the same family structures what, right so what


, said oh basically you can't be bothered lah you know to to to talk to them ask them ask them also no point they don't tell you what happened they just say okay okay okay


said biasa lah, eh let's face it lah you know even we as teenagers ah last time [kan] remember when your mother tanya score macam mana ah okay lah, [kan] despite the fact that you had two fights that day


lost your homework kena marah teacher don't know where was your wallet your friend, took it play a joke on you but when you come home just say okay lah nothing, where is up to you know as the parent for you too


, ah tease out [kan] bit by bit and find out semua [kan] all these kinds of things lah, (ppc)


, ya


, fullstop correct correct (ppc),


and it's not shift work you know, you you are a parent twenty-four seven, , no I think until you basically die I always remind people pun [kan] you know let's face it you know even when you become a parent right your own parents can be eighty plus and you are maybe sixty plus right to them ah you are still ah


a six year old you know ya so that parenting continue and so that's something I always remind, people over and over again lah [kan] pasal so is true what is twenty-four hour you cannot switch off macam even lepas I hantar last time lah eh my anak sedara and all that to their school whether it's kindergarten primary school whatever then I go to work


afternoon I check in what, although ada maid ada dia punya you know grandmother kat rumah [kan], but I will just check in okay everything okay you know came back K do homework or not are you know check check check right then when you come home is the same lah you know A you know tomorrow got what ah got ECA not you know got this now whatever


it's twenty four seven you cannot say like you say lah you know you cannot okay for two hours I cannot go up because it's my, duty you know no lah nothing to do with that, nothing (ppc)


, would to be honest I was teaching for about setahun gitu for one, right cause I was an adjunct I was an adjunct lecturer then I saw the kind of err students that we have these days, even the good [ones] honestly ah


when you , you know take some time talk to them [kan] tanya-tanya macam mana [kan] then you realize actually they are quite neglected, err by parenting, and usually it's parenting by default meaning ah is the maid


, tapi kesian juga you know and you can see it you know macam quite a number of them, that is their their parental figure


you are looking at the laptop [kan] and what not ya and although parents now K lah belatedly realised !hey! you know actually


, quite good to spend time at home spend more time with family and all that, but I can tell you also when we went into phase two [kan] !wah! budak-budak semua balik sekolah [kan]


no more home based learning for many schools [kan] !wah! most parents hurrah hurrah pasal they can still work from home but the kids must go out !wah!, I saw so many,


betul [kan], , bit longer than that lah, ya


ah, ah


, , maybe there are other common interests but definitely traveling is one of them lah ah


, ah, or you can travel a bit lah take one day off to maybe beli-beli barang boleh beli present [kan]


beli present [kan] ah


especially if nearer to the school holiday ke [kan], !wah!, -


, !wah! , london and capitals, nowadays lah rarely snow and it when it snow it's not that kind of mountain type snow it's more what I call slushy


ah dirty, and then the other thing is I call it slushy pasal is really that macam yang that seven eleven punya slushy you know the Slurpee ah [kan] pasal it's


ah the colour of course Slurpee lebih sedap lah you know, it's just that too much sugar no and then, when you walk around kita [kan] tak biasa pakai waterproof boots and this and that , very quickly your shoes eh specially we like to wear sneakers when we on holiday [kan] walking around


very fast very quickly your , shoes eh become very wet and then cold, , and that's the thing I I don't like about that lah tapi london during that period also nice lah pasal christmas ah


, how long were you all there,


, !wah! pergi london bridge


uh madame tussauds, uh hogwarts ah, Disneyland ah eh


, !wah! ni mesti makan chocolate ah,


the mannequin piece, correct ah (ppc) ah


(ppc) can see from your profile ah picture your picture profile, ,


eh, ah, ah ah, ah ah recent photo


, correct sebelum Grab lah ,


, ah, ah,


ah, okay, ah, ,


, ah, !wah!, !wah!


ah, ah, , !alamak!


!wah!, double or nothing, , ah itu lah, ah


, , , !wah!


oh, , !wah!


ya ah , ah ah ah ah, ah


ah , that's what they want to film ah you know


ah correct (ppc) , !wah!


dia bayar itu lah family ah, ya lah you and plus one then you just pay for the kids ah


!wah! !wah!, !wah!, ah ah ah, stadium lah


oh, training ground, ah, (ppc) ,


, your kawan jadi super sub ah,


, ah, ,


, it happened ah, ,


, of course it's a chance of a lifetime [kan], ah, ya lah eh but you got the shoe box what


!wah!, (ppc), , ah too bad lah too bad ah , ya


, good eh ah, for me last time I would go to manchester macam a few couple of months I go up pasal I was studying [kan] that time


, uh UK cause I was, uh in university [kan] ah , ah ah ah ah I wasn't in london so you know, for my university uh it's already you know out of london so I just go up to manchester lah if I go to london I have to go down to london


oh lepas tu nanti one of, then dorang ada that time uh subscription ah


to them one of I mean you all look the same you know you know all this uh uh ya, English people so I'll just borrow someone's uh membership, card , and then watch the weekend game or something lah you know and my time don't forget because this is uh nineteen ninety eh


there's no man U wasn't big name, you know, ya it was like you know man city you know , liverpool everton newcastle all sorts of names which today are like a lot of the kids weren't even really remember unless they are really hardcore historian ah [kan] you know they track track [kan]


so we go and we go bukan uh division one aja we don't just go to premier league you know we also look for yang macam , secondly thirdly [kan], and back then also people go up three to two two to one you know and go up and down the league also very fast last time


, , so that was uh always a lot of fun lah you know when I was also a student ah


then fast forward when you mention paris [kan] I actually uh live there two thousand four two thousand eight


country lah yang kena jaga so for me ah when people come usual lah you know then they'll want to go to euro Disney and then don't forget ah I was also surprised your wife didn't drag you to the, , not the duty free but the premium outlet


ah because that one is one stop, oh, euro Disney you see, ah, so a lot of people will go there to go premium outlet lah


and kalau pergi london tu just outside selalu ni all this uh, housewives all these makcik-makcik will want to buy the Wedgwood, ah dinner set the porcelain and all that you see


I live err I lived in err, err the eight, sorry sixteen in the sixteen, err, quarter lah they call it ah so I'm literally halfway between #champs elysees# the arc of Triomphe to and eiffel tower


so from my window every night [kan], circling circling, so I lived in the really the central part ah


oh so easy for me pasal I just walk to office only about ten minutes, ya so it's quite uh good , ah that's the #gare du nord#


the museum ah ah, ah, ah, halal banyak kebab banyak yang Maghrebian nya [kan] yang daripada morocco daripada daripada mana eh uh


ya lah the Maghreb areas lah morocco algeria you know those kind of places,


, they they call it #bateaux mouches# the flyboat


ah ah, , , burn down ah


so you saw when it was still , , oh, (ppc), , no it's actually eh really really


really a shock to to many people when notre dame burned down pasal that thing has been around for so long, ah


ah sebab itu lah, !wow! you know it's really inspiring you see, ya and I do miss uh living there pasal it's really one of the most beautiful cities in the world lah you know without a doubt lah you know


ya,


ah boring you lose your way and then is quite dirty also you know in london you know and macam after awhile there's no change in the scenery [kan]


, , correct correct, I agree


, correct don't look down you know I always tell people when you're in paris ah look up you know ya, I mean once in a while


ah then they will just litter the place you know it's like ridiculous you know, but it's a really really a nice place lah you know so it's quite good to go, they got lah nanti after COVID


ah, after COVID even for me pun frankly lah eh lepas I came back two thousand eight, after that I rarely go out anymore lah pasal pun tukar kerja then, basically mostly dekat singapore lah


you know is also question of family and a question of you know looking after people especially my mak [kan] seventy seven this year and ya so she still lives with me I don't live with her she lives with me there's a big difference


and also then for me travel just means basically usually weekend ah masuk Johor lah, , and also pun !aiya! you know boleh beli barang-barang lebih murah you know and many


things are easy you know and even when you've got kids [kan] like I've got even uh grand nephews grand nieces [kan] yang dekat malaysia then its easy to uh go to, relax relax you know so quite fun lah


you know uh, especially now waiting for the borders to reopen ah I suspect will probably, only be able to travel [kan] pergi Johor and whatever sebelum kita boleh really go out there again lah


know dekat-dekat lah you know maybe, likewise also we need them for workers you know pasal every day before COVID [kan] between two hundred to three hundred thousand eh dua ratus tiga ratus ribu tahu [kan] bukannye satu dua ribu [kan]


they come here, ya come here they work and then they go back again so, at the end of the day you know we know lah


ah , paradigm paradigm


uh paradigm about two years about two years ah,


(ppc) ya ya ah , , obviously lah but also don't forget catered also for the Johorians who work here pasal


the ones who are here most of them will open up a POSB DBS account, because of the payroll, mean you used to be in MOF you know this lah pasal you know they don't you know ask them to open with up to the other retail banks [kan] so


ah even for your maid you know today anyway lah eh these days, as soon as you hire one [kan] then dorang buka [kan] payroll payroll nye tu DBS POSB ah so dorang gunakan apa dorang gunakan Nets


ah dia by two [kan] when you go there sekarang some shops lah they definitely accept Nets which is good lah you know


but you can tell ah macam the shopping mall over there you know you can go onto all those sites [kan] yang nanti orang ambil gambar ambil Youtube ghost town betul lah


is really bad macam city square tu [kan], orang semua tengok !wah! really really ghost town you really really wonder how they are going to survive, (ppc)


ya hopefully lah it'll be a slow and painful process lah but you know everyone is going through the same thing so it's not macam kita aje [kan] you know, is everyone everyone is going through the same thing so macam gitu aje lah


ah, ah that's always good question tahu pasal macam orang selalu cakap you know to me macam each one is so different [kan] so


but generally lah my preference honestly is to go to a place where no one knows me and then I can just lose myself


okay we go italy one day milan two day rome one day, and that's it you know macam you tak appreciate the country you don't really appreciate the culture you tak duduk bersimbang-simbang you know have the equivalent of teh tarik with a local you see


but as a working adult that's what I did lah you know just to go round and then lose myself in the crowd lepas tu berbual-berbual with the local or foreigners who live there you just make friends [kan] ah so for me that's where it's quite you know


that that's more it lah you know, but I must say not so much now lah but in the early days then hanoi was really good destination for me pasal that was my first posting I lived there for four years ninety-seven to two thousand and one


and that was the earliest yang dorang baru [jer] buka [kan] err, err not not easy lah to go in [kan] that so really really under developed but the people were slowly getting used to


see the developments but the changes [kan] since my time there and it's been what you know uh more than twenty years [kan] almost what twenty five years maybe the changes are immense so even I don't recognize it anymore


[ah] (ppl) [ah] okay good we are one hour already, [ah] we can stop recording, okay let's stop recording stop now


, hi Suprija, how are you, oh hi how's life


, so how's


I also don't know how I'm going to manage my time, , ya not bad I guess, ya how was your orientation


ya, ya that's why like I feel like this year like the orientation is a bit forced


ya, like I think last year there was like beach games and all that, ya would have been quite fun, ya, for my OG I think we just like okay so basically we had like


different breakout rooms so like within your OG you have to like they will mix you around to like err make you like mingle with as many people as they can and then err whenever you are in a new breakout room they will just err, like ask you to play some online games


so there wasn't really much interaction I feel like I feel like everything was just for like, I don't know like the games and all were seemed a bit forced so, ya, how was yours


, ya like they didn't make it compulsory to like, on our microphones and, ya, wait do you miss JC, (ugh)


ya, ya honestly I feel like JC life <tamil>வந்து கொஞ்சம் இன்னும் கொஞ்சம்:vanthu konjam innum konjam</tamil> relaxed ah <tamil>இருந்த மாதிரி இருந்துது:iruntha maathiri irunthathu</tamil> like at the start, no like like JC one leh <tamil>வந்து:vanthu</tamil> was a bit more relaxed


like you actually had time to socialise <tamil>இப்பலா வந்து:ippalaa vanthu</tamil> like I don't know like assignments <tamil>வந்து:vanthu</tamil> like this there's continuously there's a lot a lot of deadlines right so like I find it really hard to like make a lot of other plans, like because I feel


really, no leh but I feel like in, maybe , ya because I overloaded this semester, so ya, because I thought


ya because I thought that maybe this semester like because uh they said that you know the the next few semesters there's gonna be like a lot of like the content heavy like topics right so I just overloaded this semester so that I can clear up more time for like the next semester


ya, eh which CCA were you in in JC, art club okay can, then


in err, art club ya ya ya, ya she was my, [orh] okay she was my secondary school like classmate, ya but I think <tamil>இப்ப அவ:ippa ava</tamil> she went to australia


ya no I didn't even know that she went back like I didn't even know she went there like because okay she told me that she has a lot of cousins there lah so she's planning to study there but <tamil>திடீர்னு:thideernu</tamil> like she didn't even tell anyone of us and then I saw her story like when she was in australia so it's like quite surprised


I'm not actually I think psychology or something, psychology or physiotherapy I really can't remember but I think it's psychology, ya


ya, ya ya he went texas right, then I'm like <tamil>இந்த:intha</tamil> time leh <tamil>போய்:poi</tamil> like like during COVID you want to go to US I was quite surprised actually


[orh] okay okay, [orh], I think there's another like, err Sara


ya she's actually my childhood friend then I didn't realise until like I met her then she ya and she seemed really familiar then after awhile then I realised that it was her


ya, no she's year two, ya, err I think she's in dance, I'm I'm actually not so sure ya


ya , ah ha, so, ya she's also from, ya but the thing is I've never talk to her before like she's in the class she was in the class beside mine I was in three H and she was in three I ya but I've never talked to her and I think during <tamil>சங்கமம்:sangamam</tamil> like she performed like a dance I think in J two


ya but the thing is I've never talked to her before, like took me awhile to realise all these people like ya


oh really wait which secondary school are you from, [orh] okay okay, saint joseph's convent, wait do you know Yasmine I don't know if I know she's from CHIJ but I don't know which one she was in


[orh] okay but ya she was from CHIJ but I just don't know which one there's like so many, ya


oh okay okay it's the one at #tiong bahru# right, oh okay okay then it's different than what's the one at #tiong bahru#, is it, I don't know I can't remember which one, I think it's saint teresa's saint teresa's ya I think it's saint teresa's


ya, wait so where do you live, oh so are you staying in hall now, (uh huh)


oh okay okay, ya ya I mean <tamil>இப்போ கூட:ippo kooda</tamil> like hall culture you can't really experience that much, because like ya


no I'm not like I want to but then like I live in pioneer, ya, ya ya ya it actually takes me five minutes


because ya I just have to walk a bit and then err I can take direct one seven nine, to, like ya my classes


ya, ya I think got to, about forty five minutes there, ya


isn't Sengkang ya Sengkang is pretty near, you have the, Sengkang okay forty minutes, is the, purple line right then you can go to is it Kovan, eh I'm not sure


okay can, [orh] okay okay, err, , so


why did you want to come to NTU,


okay okay, (mmhmm) for dentistry ya but I think medicine has err, like the indian quota also is quite small like I applied for both NUS and NTU medicine


then NTU like I wasn't even qualified for the interview because my BMAT was really bad, -, then err NUS I don't know like I I don't know what they were expecting in interview lah but ya I didn't get in also, ya but I feel like ya the indian quota is quite small


[orh] okay okay ya, (ppc), , ya because they have lesser spaces but err


but I think like I don't know I feel like NTU medicine is, err not as like advanced yet ya, ya, the facilities and all


and also NTU medicine it's all the way at novena like it's not the it's not this campus here, ya you only come here for like I think laboratories and like clinicals, but mostly it's at the novena err campus


ya , and , and, and who else do you know from RI who came to NTU


Varshini sounds familiar Varshini, okay okay, ya I think I remember who she is wait wait wait which class was she from, do you know


six O ah, err, no I feel like I have heard of the name somewhere I think I might follow her actually I don't know, ya ya ya


oh okay okay, oh that's nice, ya, eh I thought but I thought you and Mathu know each other right


[orh] okay okay, so wait so you join business comm because Mathu called you is it or, [orh] okay okay, ya because ya, I I don't know how I know but I know that somehow like you guys were I don't know maybe I saw you all together in JC or something I I don't remember


really okay I don't know how I okay ya, oh ya ya ya maybe


ya, ya mine is today like in the afternoon, ya it was quite fun because it was just all of us were girls and then we had like a lot of like conversations ya


so the seniors were like talking about like their ya the university life so far and all the, interesting stories they've had, ya , no we didn't like we intially <tamil>நாங்க:naanga</tamil> bowling <tamil>போலான்னு இருந்தோம்:polaannu irunthom</tamil> like because we met at Jurong east because we all live like near the Jurong area then bowling <tamil>போலான்னு இருந்தோம்:polaannu irunthom</tamil> but then err we're like quite lazy then we just sat down at like eighteen chefs then we're just talking ya


(uh huh), , oh where did you all meet


, , [orh] okay okay Jurong like Jurong east or, oh oh okay okay the SAFRA one is it, okay okay ya ya ya it's the SAFRA like the beside the SAFRA ya the place is quite nice


ya, ya, (mmhmm),


oh, no I think those oh no there's one group like I think one of them was saying that they actually wrote up like you know all the <tamil>கவிதை:kavithai</tamil> and all that, like <tamil>அதுக்கு ஒரு நாள் முன்னாடி:athukku oru naal munnaadi</tamil> they actually wrote out like all the poems to like practice and then like record do the TikTok it's like okay that's quite intense


I don't know I think, I think they only tell us next week, ya but I don't think any other group like took the challenges seriously, so ya


Sundar, [orh], , oh, and, are you going to take part in like the FOL thing


the festival of lights, I don't know what we're supposed to do but okay (uh huh), oh okay okay, oh nice


, , okay okay okay, ya ya ya


oh okay okay, ya, okay lah I feel like so far of like this committee people actually quite nice, like I've never like met like eh a lot of them personally but so far they all seem quite nice


ya, , okay, oh but you didn't come for the <tamil>வாங்க பழகலாம்:vaanga palakalaam</tamil> thing right


ya I came and then I left halfway because they were playing like okay I had something on lah but then I was thinking whether I should stay then they playing like so many like the like the tamil literary games like the ya and I have no idea about all that so I was like never mind


ya, no I didn't okay like I was initially considering because I can actually save like a lot of time if I took TLL, ya because I feel like the content is less heavy compared to like history economics


so ya but then uh in the end I was like, err like I mean because I didn't get A one for higher tamil in , in O levels, ya so I was like ya so I was like never mind


but actually a lot, ya


but ya which class is err which class were you from, six I oh ya oh ya Keerthi class right, rena Chong also is it, I remember rena Chong, ya she was my secondary one and two classmate


ya, !aiya! but I don't know what she's doing now, ya but I don't know what she's doing now like, uh


oh nice nice, ya, she used to be like the mathematics like the highest scorer in mathematics last time, ya I think she took history also right I'm not sure


I think history, okay I'm not sure, ya I'm not sure, but she seems like the kind who would probably take so, ya


, I was from threeH, ya, ya , ya I was considering to go like biological sciences and like along the biology line lah but I felt like chemical engineering also like there's a it's chemical and biomolecular engineering so like I like like both like the both the aspects lah so I was like maybe I'll try that and it seemed quite like I I feel like the content-wise it's a bit heavy but other than that like it seem interesting to me so ya


okay so for chemical engineering like you can go into two different parts lah so the the more the more popular one is like oil and gas so you can go like petrochemicals like you know like Shell companies like Shell


Exxon ya and then the other one is err you can go pharmaceuticals I'm more interested in pharmaceuticals actually, ya so like ya, select the pharmaceutical production and like ya that kind


so, but actually most people prefer to go like oil and gas because I don't know they feel like it's like I don't know like a lot of the like the better companies are there, and I don't know why, ya like for ya


ya if you are but the thing is like petrol like the oil and gas sector is a bit like volatile like you can go like really high but then at some of this like sometimes it can just like drop and there will be like all the mass retrenchment and all that so, ya it's a bit risky


ya, ya, it's a bit ya I know, like as in I didn't I didn't do well in chemistry like in J one I failed my first CT, ya, ya I failed like the first CT and like I always like barely pass only but I don't know I feel like like whenever you study you feel like you know your stuff versus that when you apply it's like okay what's going on I don't know


ya, ya, but i thought for you all physics will be harder, like, okay oh !wow!


okay okay, ya, no like <tamil>நா வந்து:naa vanthu</tamil> mathematics <tamil>வந்து ரொம்ப நா வந்து மோசமா பண்ணிட்டேன்:vanthu romba naa vanthu mosamaa pannittaen</tamil> because like like because my mathematics in like you know the prelims right prelims leh <tamil>வந்து எல்லாருமே நல்ல:vanthu ellarumae nalla</tamil> mark <tamil>வாங்கி இருந்தாங்க:vaangi irunthaanga</tamil> like for mathematics because I think the paper was a bit easy like I don't know if you remember but ya


ya because I think was the time when like almost like forty percent of the cohort got A or something


so like err <tamil>நான் ஒழுங்கா பண்ணல:naan olunga pannala</tamil> then I screwed up mathematics that one subject that I thought it would be okay, so ya, ya


oh wait I think now I remember who Vaishnu is I think it was the girl that I saw with Taishini that time I think she was like having CCA and then ya I think they doing something together ya okay I remember who she is


then uh she's like oh I'm having CCA now


ya, okay okay,


no but I really miss like the JC like kind, environment like the ya, ya ya now it's like oh my god like I don't know how it it takes a lot of time to like


ya, I mean okay lah like I feel like in JC I was like oh my god I just want to stop wearing uniform but now it's leh I want to go back to it no but I feel like our uniform was , uh <tamil>மத்த:mattha</tamil> JC compare <tamil>பண்றபோ:pandrappo</tamil> was more comfortable <tamil>ஏன்னா:yaeanna</tamil> it was the pleated skirt right


ya it wasn't like the the the pencil skirt so, ya, really, I don't know, the uniform


oh but I feel like it it looks nice but like <tamil>ரொம்ப நேரம் உக்காந்துட்டு இருக்க:romba neram ukkaanthuttu irukka</tamil> like it's not very comfortable, ya


(mmhmm), green black white ya ya, , ya no but it I mean white shirt and green pants would look really bad together


ya, ya, no I like the folding of the sleeves I feel like I still do that now like you know when I wear like normal T-shirt I still do that, ya


it's more like the RJ girls tradition I think like they like for them like they had to like fold their sleeves in RJ, ya, no I wasn't I was from crescent, crescent girls


ya, oh my my uniform there was really bad have you seen the crescent girls' uniform, it's like yellow and green like yellow blouse and green skirt like the peacock green skirt


ya, it it literally look like minions, ya, you wanted to say something


ya ya ya ya rena and I think they were about like twenty five of us who came, ya, but ya actually I miss secondary school the most like I feel like JC like the teachers don't really care about what you're doing like


ya secondary was more like a I feel like I feel like you will be more protected, like, I don't know how to say but, like in general like, like you know that there's someone like taking care of you like your teachers will actually like like you know when you want help or something they would like ya but then I feel like JC is more like if you want help you approach yourself that kind


ah ya, ya


ya ya no one cares but when you get your grades you have to care, wait you took history economics right, okay okay, so was there anything interesting in JC


she I know she I don't know err I I remember okay I don't know ah I'm not sure but I always see her together with this one person, like okay okay


so , ya, (mmhmm), ,


ya, but ya I wouldn't expect rena to like I don't know, like I feel like she wouldn't bother to be in a relationship that kind, ya


, ya,


, oh, okay, ah ya ya, ya, I feel like there's a lot of drama in like ICS


like err, it's a like okay lah I mean uh uh serious ah <tamil>ஏதும் நடக்கல:ethum nadakkala</tamil> but like okay at the start of JC there was a lot of like like oh like she see him she like he see her that kind so ya there was this once


okay #mikil ananth# so ya like a lot of girls used to like like in ICS within ICS used to like low key like


have something for him I guess and then err so ya there was actually like like I don't know it actually became like a competition kind of thing like they'll literally all like trying to like ask him ask to go out with him that kind, ya, ya and then uh


like you came for the drama right like the concert like you know the the one who acted as the main like the bad guy


Kausi <tamil>ஓட:oda</tamil> friend ah <tamil>நடிச்சு இருப்பான்:nadichu iruppaan</tamil> like he'll be like the bad guy, something like that ya, and then now also the thing is like after awhile he would I think he kind of realise like err all this attention given on him so <tamil>அதுக்கப்புறம்:athukkappuram</tamil> he became like <tamil>கொஞ்சம்:konjam</tamil> like arrogant I guess and then after uh all the girls they ditched him and then like they went they like I don't know if you know like some of them they were dating like ACSI people


ya ya like it's I I feel like dude okay I've always heard about this thing now like uh every year there will definitely be like RI and ACS indian couples but ya actually our batch there was like three


ya okay two of them are still like going strong but the other one I think ya it didn't work out but ya the two of them the other two is going quite strong