so if let's just say you were to you can travel back in time and you can pause time and you gonna travel from here to Admiralty, but you still have to go through the trip, teleportation means right now five forty five


I can be there five forty five, time travel means, now five forty five you don't have to experience the fifteen minutes you take to travel to the area, yes that's called time travel


so what's your definition of time travel


no superpower not machine, okay


so if right now is five forty five and you wanna go Admiralty right now, you don't have to spend fifteen minutes for example to get there, but you are back in time, forward in time because time can only go forwards or backwards


(uh huh) you forward in time, so that would be, what time, then what time would it be, it will be six o-clock, you will just, ya I mean you still technically experience the the the


I said that, the recording has it I said that like so many times you just too stubborn, okay next


four minutes let's go, controversial question what company do you despise don't answer that, I think I know


as if I faster also there's a difference you have to spend four more minutes here, (ah) (ppb) do you like things to be carefully planned or do you prefer just to go with the flow, oh is it, what animal would you like to eat


I like pork, ya would would you like to eat, pork lah pork lah


you know my friend Joe !wah! he, he say something very controversial okay never mind I don't say it, what current trend makes no sense to you oh that's so nice, what current trend makes no sense to you


uh ripped jeans ripped jeans, ripped jeans uh like all those like crazy ripped jeans like you might as well don't wear pants, uh the current the the current


rap, mumble rap


what's legal now, but probably but probably won't be in the next twenty five years, yeah what's legal now and probably won't be in twenty five years


if cartoon physics suddenly replaced real physics what are some things that you want to try, standing on the ceiling, who in your life is worse at using technology


or why not, between the both of us who's worse at using technology, what the what's the weirdest conversation you have eavesdrop on


how about uh the weirdest conversation that, the ai is, what was ruined because it became popular


cannot sing, ya


what's the most rage inducing game you've played, Mario, no Mario-Kart lah, how is, how is Mario-Kart difficult Mario-Kart is the easiest game to play


no Mario, not Mario-Kart, Mario, Mario is the side scroller you you run by the, I played the ps one


Mario-Kart lah, [orh] what does the opposite sex, eh what does the opposite sex do, do that you wish you could do but is not anatomically feasible or is


socially frowned upon oh okay, no, not going to that, what product or service, is way more expensive than it needs to be


female products, what word do you always mispronounce


how much of your body would you cybernatically enhance, okay so


what if you don't need to charge, oh-my-god I think I very soft eh, oh-my-god I think I talk a lot but very soft eh oh shit, what's quickly become an obsolete uh, everything else


what if let's just say you, you have your flesh just cybernetically enhanced, not I mean is it it's a physical thing but I don't think you have to change how you look


just better, what word is a log, of fun to say, Mississippi, I keep burping, I ate seven rotten eggs yesterday


and I keep farting, where's the line between soup and cereal, that's a very interesting, or rather where's the line you draw for


you know like some soups can be sweet, corn soup, uh oh that's true, some soups are sweet


I don't know, then cereal can be sweet, and sometimes cereal can be savory as well, all those like roasted almonds, those type of nut cereal oat cereal


no like all those like natural one, okay never mind next question, should we should we should we wait for her


do we open the door do we wait for her, quiet do we continue on, two hour seventeen two hour eighteen minutesuh as of right now the


[ah] she coming already !yay!, we're done, we're done for the day


I'm not too sure yet uh I'm I'm thinking of the the schools that are near


around my vicinity which is in the Punggol area, I think at the end of the day uh it's looking at schools that provide


that kind of education that I want my child to have, so, that uh so, is not just on me but also on my child as well, the CCAs that they offer, uh the curriculum that they have and the teachers, uh whether are they caring or not so I think all these things


uh I will take into consideration so but anyway what about you


what I thought, okay sure ya, K then but other than uh, other than uh looking at the top schools and the the neighbour the the schools that are near your vicinity you are not considering any other schools


or are there any other considerations


are you intending to participate in those uh PSG those parent support group, because uh I heard that some better schools they want, uh their parents to be engaged in PSG in order for you, your child to be able to uh get into the school because my wife is very


uh very very hard on that ya


for me, I think end of the day it depends on my my my child's uh interest, uh right now I can see that uh he's quite talented, uh in drawing so probably uh art and craft CCA would be something that he he may want to pursue


so if that school has , the if that school has a very strong, uh backing in terms of their art and craft uh teachers, uh and the facilities that they can provide for my child, then, uh that would be a major consideration as well


I think uh one (ppb) one thing to note is that


they are still quite young, so it's hard uh for them to, they they may know uh what they like but what they like now may not be what they want to do now, eh what they want to do later sorry so, for as parents I think end of the day it is to help them along the way


uh to to bridge the gap in between of what they want and, what they can actually achieve, so ya that's that's the role uh a parent of, what what I personally feel


uh as a student in secondary school I had a while of a time, I was a mischievous student, I I basically I play truant, I mean the the the teachers they remember me but for all for the wrong reasons I was a


I was a, uh what what what do you call that word uh the, ya I was a troublemaker basically ya and I I I run away from classes I climb out of uh the school gates, uh after school hours


I did all sorts of stuff, but of course uh all these stuff uh, they are not, entirely illegal or something like that, ya so what about you I I I think you look like uh somebody who is good at uh school uh and not a troublemaker


oh that's, that's interesting I I had my fair share too on that, well I mean, for for me, those people I mean I I I deal with such people before, because, as I advance


uh over, so from secondary school to a uh to to a Junior College, uh I become less mischievous, but, !aiya! they're mischievous people again there so, that was the time whereby I had to deal with mischievous students


ya which, uh I personally hated, but, I was the one, last time, so ya I mean I mean, it that's part and parcel of life but I guess it's interesting to deal with these people, I mean it helps a along along the way


because you understand about, the people from different backgrounds, then as you, grow older I think, you are able to deal with them, uh in the future


CcA, do you even think, that, I have a CcA, I was I play truant do you think even if I okay I I had a CcA but I didn't really go for for the C C A


my C my CcA is, actually is Wushu, ya, but I didn't really really go for it


ya, Wushu trainee okay so I had, so I I had a a a few performances, uh I I basically train train for all the performances but, a lot of people they like to joke about Wushu they say that uh Wushu is a CcA


but it's not really a CcA whereby uh you are you are doing martial arts is more of a dance, CcA and, uh sad to say I have to agree on that, uh because, orh we are we are just training, uh basically just the strokes here and there that is ah I mean is something like


dancing ya I do agree, so what what was your CcA back then


oh sports, sports wise I think uh it's more of uh those, school events school based events, uh those, I think they they they back back then they used to have the, uh something like, what what do they call it's it's like a short marathon


I think ya so, uh I I used to participate in that uh but every time I participated, uh I used to get the fourth or fifth I never got the chance to get the the the first three, so ya, so it's it's quite, uh I don't want to talk about it it's quite sad


I wouldn't say I'm not a sporty person but maybe other people they uh they are they are, they I mean their strengths, they are better than me in it in in that sense ya


uh that's, [orh] sad to say I'm or guilty to say, uh I'm not really running recently (ppb) after my IppT


oh my last reservist cycle, I uh that was last year, ya, what about you


oh okay, I'm quite uh actually I'm quite curious why why you have the chance of running away from reservist but I think I will leave that later, and we just say my story first, so uh ya I mean uh when I went back


uh the the treatment of course was was was quite different, uh from back those days whereby we were full time national servicemen, uh because after all we have came out to work, they they they they treated us uh more with respect


and, of course uh the the, the job scope, uh of a NS man uh was quite different from from what is expected from NSF because back in those days as an N as an NSF, I did more of uh those


uh those standby related work ya but uh as a as a no sorry as a, as a, what you call that, as in when I went back for reservist


uh ya NS man ya that's the right term, okay so NS and NS man, uh we did more of a training, we did sometimes even competition ya, uh but then of course is those friendly competition ya and


of course uh but the main thing I think uh is the most important thing is, the cavalry that we we forged in between, those uh in uh with the, uh with the people that that is around us, ya so so I guess uh


ya so we we get to meet those uh those Encik, those uh those previous full time uh national servicemen together with us our batch mates, ya so it it is, uh a time of reunion as well I guess


ya so after our training ya I mean we are tired, but we still went out and eat you know and we share our stories is about work, about kids, ya, I mean I mean it's it's it's it's fruitful, ya so but but but uh back back to your question


how how how come you didn't went back for uh ya, yes


wow you are rather rich


I think it's for your site not for my site


that's interesting so, talking about uh you said that the you you went to UK and study, am I right, so what what what did you major in and and how how was how is the curriculum like uh there


for me for for me I've always been in Singapore I I mean I'm I'm I'm always a Singaporean boy they call it, ya so, uh I I I I've studied in a Singapore University so, uh the the experience there I think


uh compared to to the younger days, uh I enjoy the freedom that I have uh as a as a young graduate, uh because you can choose whether to go for your classes, uh nobody is there to really supervise you unless


you get yourself into deep trouble ya but I think, by then I think not much people will get themselves into trouble but I mean it should be matured enough to to to think, and of course uh I, do join a CcA as well uh not for getting uh


uh my studies I I I join a CcA, uh which was fun I mean uh, I was in the the the, the student's union uh helping out with the student's welfare part of the welfare team, so uh we we help out in uh different uh welfare uh events ya


uh and of course, ya of course as a guy they they always like uh to see uh pretty girls ya so, so sometimes we will join such CcAs, ya but, uh somewhat like you I did a CcA hopping so after that I I went to dance


probably because of the <unk> reasons, ya then after that I went to uh Community Service ya, I think but but in actual fact, it it it was it was fun ya and and in regards to the curriculum wise, I think uh they are they are changing


uh the system is changing uh from a uh, textbook based approach uh to more of a practical approach, uh and they are actually reducing the uh emphasis, on, on the, the exam based uh kind of assessment to more of a group based kind of assessment


so uh and practical based assessment so, that I think uh is is a is a good, uh I mean it's a good step uh for going forward for for for Singapore and, ya I think I think uh because all the while we we have been


having the issue on uh whether or not, uh the things that the schools teach, whether are they really applicable to the society because, uh education has to change along with, the societal changes


so, uh ya that I think I think that's that's a that's a good thing for Singapore and I'm quite hopeful on that


uh hobbies okay, I mean apart from uh going around, and looking for girls to chat, at the arts canteen, uh that's okay I'm not I'm not really sure is appropriate to say here but


anyway that's that's just that, uh apart from that uh it's more of, uh really uh to to spend time with my friends, family, ya and also uh to read, I I do a lot reading ya


ya and uh whether it's online or buying book, or borrowing books from the libraries, and also, uh watching movies, think there are there are some good movies as well we can watch in the cinema


oh I haven't watch that have you watch that how was it


sold out, K why not let's watch it later , musical instruments


I use to play them I play trombone ya I was I was one of in fact, uh I was so so well that uh you know, uh basically, uh the the the the, the the conductor he ask me whether or not


uh I want to join them uh for as a CcA, ya but I told them no I just want to, play for fun, ya so so that that that is uh that is part of my leisure activity but not really, uh the level that uh people would really


hire me as you know as a full time musician or something like that, then what about you what what do you do in your free time, ya as a hobby or something


oh trombone I only play it uh for half a year ya but that's out of out of out of interest it's not really, something uh that I uh that I would consider to pursue in the long run


oh uh as a


how how should I uh how should I explain, uh starting I I the most difficult part I guess was to, really blow into the the the trombone I think a lot of


uh a lot of uh beginners they they have issues on trying to to blow out a sound, ya so, that was the that was the main issue that uh we we we had as beginners, when I when I first tried out, ya so but


after that uh it's more of remembering the notes and stuff like that, so ya


oh certainly, certainly you definitely have to have, a lot of uh, I would say a lot of uh, I don't know whether it's the right term to use but a lot of uh lung power


oh no certainly not I think, some some some people who smoke, I mean I mean they they could have uh very good lung power, I mean it's it's it


so it really depends on, uh individual, ya I guess, so you you said that you play the drums you like playing the drums and hitting it, would that create a nuisance to, the people around you, especially when you are abroad maybe you may live in a hostel would that create trouble ya


jamming no I think I will be jammed, not not not not doing jamming , why not


car oh car, no certainly not so expensive, with the COE


I think certainly everyone has the desire to buy a car I mean, I mean if you think about it uh having a car means uh much more convenience, uh for yourself for the family especially when you have a family not so much for for yourself because


uh if you go out individually you won't have the uh issue of you know bringing your kids, ensuring that your kids behaving well in the public, things like that but when you are on a public transport you have this all these issues, uh may and and especially young kids uh when you want to bring them around their safety is a concern


uh that whether or not they behave in the public is another issue and also, uh if if for those small much younger kids ah maybe whether or not, uh they actually pee or they actually poo poo you know, ya so so, uh all these things uh must be taken into consideration especially uh when you have a family


ya because I'm not like you you're you're still studying so, ya so you probably won't understand uh all these all these issues but, I think when you when when when time goes by, I think you better understand these issues and appreciate


the value of having a car, but the I I suppose you you don't have a car, ya, oh okay


oh driving licence, uh I think uh I mean getting a process uh the process right now, I think it's it's more of a they they, so basically you have to pass your theory test, there are two theory test ya so you just pass them


and then you get the PdL so a PdL is provisional driving licence so you probably that probably will last around six months, and then uh of course if you take longer than six months to learn, uh then you basically have to renew your PdL, ya but of course before the six months then you continue learning at at at the at


uh at either the driving centre or you can learn private but of course private they will also bring you to the driving centre as well but, uh that being said uh you can't enjoy the facilities, for so long because you are actually renting the facilities from them so


uh but private is actually cheaper I heard because you don't they don't have the overhead cost of, uh those uh having the facilities in the place as well as maintaining the facility, but uh those one off cost that you have to pay when you are using the driving uh facility


uh you definitely have to have to have to pay for them, ya so uh yup, so I mean but of course the passing rate wise, uh when they are talk when they are talking about it uh they said that the passing rate for school is actually much higher than private simply because uh the


the the trainers they are more uh up to date, uh with the uh the regulations that uh, uh the LtA has, for for the for for, I mean uh for for the drivers ya so


ya that's that's basically uh the process of uh getting a driving license, I got my driving license only very recently


oh no no no I I don't drive motorcycles I I don't really like motorcycles, ya ya sorry not (ppb) not drive ride ya I don't I don't really like, motorcycles so I don't ride them ya it's more for it's more for cars


ya I guess, uh not at the moment that that that that I that I know of but of course as and when you can choose to you know rent a vehicle and try to drive at your, house carparks


ya then, ya ya ya ya ya you're right but the but the science behind it is slightly different, because those are electric cars, ya normal cars you either uh is either run on uh manual transmission or auto transmission


but uh for for those electric cars uh you you you have a different different system altogether, ya usually uh for manual cars you have three pedals to to to take note of, auto maybe two, and for electric cars you only have one pedal to take off


to take note of so it's much easier to to to use, ya but of course you have to take note uh whether you have, uh the, uh the charging stations uh that whether you can find them so that that will be an issue


uh not yet, uh I just like I said I just got my uh license ya, ya Punggol area there there are such initiatives but uh you know , uh I I I'm I'm a very good daddy so I so I stay at home


uh with with my my kids most of the time , ya unlike someone, uh who who is in UK so I I do not know how the UK transport system is like so maybe you would like to elaborate more on that


uh okay


so oh okay that's that's interesting to to, but uh do do they experience uh frequent train breakdowns like Singapore you know


uh okay okay, so I mean, uh okay so


overseas , not not not really (ppb), so uh but when you are in the UK do you travel around Europe, do you have the opportunity to do so


ya, ya, oh my experience there good and bad good and bad, ya I think uh the I had I I had I had very bad friends ah that that chose to went to to go there, so uh I mean uh ya that's that's that's the probably the bad part so I shall not elaborate that further (ppb)


uh but but the good thing is that uh the people there are really really nice so, uh when when you uh, when you have some problems uh navigating your way there, uh they they are actually very helpful uh in terms of uh guiding you uh where to go


ya and then and they're really hospitable, so, uh you you even if you do not really understand, those uh traditional Chinese, uh you should not have a problem if let's say uh you can understand basic Chinese


uh uh basic conversational Chinese or or I would I would uh put it, oh for people who are non Chinese uh, then you probably uh I mean they they some of them do speak English but uh the level of command of the English is not so high


so uh you I think you it it it would be good uh if if let's say you you know a bit of Chinese, uh but other than English and Chinese uh they also speak dialect, uh like Hokkien, so of course if you can converse in either these three languages (ppb)


then I suppose you're quite safe ya other if not, then you may have some issues (ppb) ya, so what which are the other Asian countries that you have went to, for for for for yourself (ppb)


oh Indonesia , okay


oh of course I I I I did uh I did I did one uh backpack ya, in Cambodia, (ppb) ya, uh the the one in Cambodia I mean uh ya I mean it's it's it's fun uh we back then uh we we help to build


uh we help to build schools uh basically using bricks then after that uh, I mean is not really school more more of a part of a school, uh it's like a library classrooms ya, uh using bricks and cement basically ya, those those really very primitive materials that you can get there


and then after that uh we do some painting then after that uh we also, uh teach the students uh basic English and and stuff like that, so you said that you done uh community work uh back in Vietnam so what did you guys do


oh the uh, I mean uh I didn't have much chance uh to to interact with the the villagers, we were actually spending a lot of time, trying trying to build the school so, uh back then uh I mean there were some days the weather was not so good some days the weather was good


so we we were actually quite quite busy uh building the school and interacting with the students so we didn't have much time uh to interact with, the local community there ya so ya I mean I mean is good for you, you you had the chance to interact with the local communities


ya that's that that sounds great, sounds like a place that uh I I I may want to travel in the future


oh I'm I'm sad to say that I do not know how to cycle even up till now ya, no I drive I don't cycle, I mean I mean uh I I got I got a license ya but if I want to I can drive ya


oh really would you like to elaborate further on that


uh okay, okay because uh, you know it's quite tiring when you have kids, you know your kids uh actually disturb you at night, and then uh when you wake up you don't have enough sleep


(ppb) so uh I don't know whether I have the energy and stamina to to even cycle, from my house to to to the Mrt station, ya


oh no I'm not doing nothing eh that's bad


I mean uh when when you have kids uh then you will understand so I I wouldn't want to dwell too much on that let's not let's not to let's not argue about that here, oh okay when you have kids then you will know okay


so dude, you trust me when you have kids when you have your wife then you then you will know, how does it feel right now you're single so, you can you can speak so arrogantly


orh no no no she she's a good wife just that uh we we do not uh have a, have a uh domestic helper, so uh we probably we we we are more hands on we do things on our own and we also have, elderly to take care of our parents so, it's quite it can be quite tough on us ya


ya I I am a hands on dad you can't you can't see that here oh


I I think you you have, oh okay you have a very poor judgement in terms of character, (ppb) alright so I mean I mean uh, parenting uh no I won't say parenting I I I will just say


the process of I mean you have kids, uh yes I mean they they're they they they get mischievous they get naughty, uh but uh when when, ah I mean at the end of the day is a is a is a process uh that is uh


that is fun and interesting uh because, you you learn things from your kids as well, ya like uh when they go when they come back from school they will tell you eh daddy actually uh there's this thing you know, uh that my school is doing and then, you get to understand uh


uh how the uh how the young people, how the very very young kids uh they are they are being taught, and of course there are there are some times because you are so busy you you wouldn't even keep yourself updated, so so sometimes, sometimes they are the ones that educate you


ya and uh, ya and of course uh when they are mischievous then you probably you know you probably have to educate them just like how I'm educating you you mischievous, adult, ya, but, ya so so you just have to spend time you know talk to them educate them ya


that's that's that's the approach that uh my wife and I take, but of course uh if the soft approach doesn't work then we always have the hard approach, ya which is using the rattan, so so ya, so ya so


oh I I I got married uh only uh maybe around uh two years back


ya, my son is uh now uh, now is only a, two year old kid ya, so he I mean I mean he still he still he still goes to school and stuff like that ya, there there're there're actually uh schools uh


meant for this uh smaller, uh younger kids ya, two I I mean two two two years plus ya two years plus ya, ya


ya it was uh basically a a shotgun marriage ya, I think more in terms of uh because, uh you didn't have a lot of time to to plan, so uh so that on on that part uh


ya it it is it is tough uh because in financially as well as uh trying to cope with with studies, ya, but uh I I have supportive parents, ya so so that that, uh that was uh good, on on a dead end, but of course uh


recently their their health is not so good so, that, that uh that's why I said uh, uh the the burden has has has got heavier, ya but of course I I can't blame them ya it's my duty to take care of them ya, so I mean it's part and part of uh the process aging is part and part


part and parcel of of of of the the process, I guess uh you you you may have some experiences, I mean I don't know whether you have uh take care of elderly, whether is your parents or, maybe uh during uh CIP maybe you want to share more on that


ya, community involvement programme


ya but I don't know whether you have uh, actually engaged a elderly before


uh certainly not I mean I would want them to grow in an environment uh where they speak proper English and proper Mandarin, uh but of course uh I I I do use dialect uh with with my parents and I acknowledge the fact that uh, ya I mean


uh the the elderly in Singapore some of them the they they still prefer speaking dialect they are still more comfortable, and actually uh I don't know whether you know about it uh maybe you're in the UK for too long, oh you may not know about it ya uh so uh there are actually courses uh


provided uh by some of the senior citizens uh to the doctors, uh the upcoming doctors uh in in uh train doctors in, uh N U S, uh to teach them dialects, so that they can actually better


engage and <unk> uh better uh communicate with the elderly, ya so is interesting, oh I I use uh both Hokkien and uh ya main mainly is Hokkien uh sometimes a bit of Teochew


ya but but ya mainly is Hokkien ya, then what what do you use do you use Hokkien only or or, mixture, uh okay


oh Singlish Singlish ya something something that uh I think uh we as Singaporeans, uh some people they feel ashame some some people they feel proud of, but what what what do you think about the the the the, what what I was talk about uh the Singlish culture especially you have


uh went to UK and uh some countries I believe you have uh , broader perspective uh more of a global perspective so, when you come back to Singapore what what what do you actually think of uh Singlish do you think is part of, a uniquely Singaporean culture or do you think that uh we should actually abandon it


whoa that is really really fast, ya ya very rushing for train, oh that's that's a that's a interesting uh interesting perspective oh I mean I mean Singapore is known to be, very very efficient so, even our language actually can tell


uh can I mean, is uh actually shows ya, ya ya shows the form of our efficiency ya that that that is something uh that that, uh I didn't think of ya and then I think uh is quite interesting


uh I I think is more of uh how uh the the the younger generations actually manage, uh this uh to some extent , it can actually uh affect, uh the the way that uh we communicate uh with with uh the the


uh counterparts that are that are from overseas but as long as uh we are able to to write well, then I believe uh speaking is not an issue because uh if you are able to write grammatically correct sentences


I believe uh Singaporeans uh young Singaporeans should be able to adapt and change, uh uh uh their frequency uh and dependent on which party they are speaking to they are able to change, uh the way they speak ya so uh ya so I I think on on that uh on that end I think


ya I'm I'm I'm not so worried but apart from uh Singlish, uh Singapore is also known for it's food, so when you are in UK uh, how I mean uh do you miss Singaporean food like your Mee-Rebus Mee-Soto or Mee-Siam ya


or chicken rice


oh that's really expensive, I can eat that eleven times


uh kinds of food I eat okay, I mean for for me I I prefer more of uh simple meal, uh maybe mixed vegetable rice uh, or maybe even uh if if you talk about


uh if there isn't mixed vegetable rice then I would prefer, something uh that that is uh that is you know, some , uh some, uh some noodles or stuff (ppb) like that, uh I mean that that that would be good uh basically eat something not uh not too oily


ya something with which with vegetables ya maybe, uh some a bit of meat would be good ya but that that is not a must (ppb), basically is more of a having a balanced uh diet having a healthy meal, ya and


of course it must be, value for money I mean uh like like like what uh you've you've mentioned (ppb), ya, so, uh ya and I usually don't really like to order drinks, uh because uh one thing it's not really about being it being expensive


because uh sometimes uh , I mean uh those sweet drinks they are not good for health (ppb), so I think we should really cut down on that, ya, ya


ya ya is the number one uh common problem in Singapore, I think uh back back uh when you were in a UK they are they actually the government actually uh they actually declare war


oh you know is rare that Singapore likes uh Singapore government likes to declare war but they declare war on diabetes ya, so so I mean I mean so is is, is something that uh we want to clamp down, ya, because uh as a country, there're too much people having diabetes so is becoming a common problem


ya in in in Singapore, I think high cholesterol is another one, uh cholesterol and diabetes these are the two main uh , problematic uh illness that uh a lot of Singaporeans have and, that is regardless of each, is more of a but of course as you as you grow old


uh the tendency of getting uh all these illnesses is higher because, uh your, I mean your your your internal organs uh start to , you know they they they, they'll start to deteriorate ya you know, and uh and if you don't uh control or eat in moderation


uh then uh such things, happen, ya so, I would said that uh you can prevent them but uh of course, it is a matter of time uh when you get it and no whether and, not, uh whether you will get it or not is a matter of when you get it ya


ya so I mean even for the healthy individuals I see, uh when they reach, probably in their seventies, uh a lot of health problem start start to start to arise even though they are quite healthy, oh they use to be quite healthy and they don't really uh they control their diet


oh they have uh exercise, but still you know, I mean uh nature you can't change nature, ya so we we just have to, I mean we we can we can uh push this cycle, uh backwards, but uh it is uh


as as a matter of time as we aged, uh I mean is not is something that's inevitable, ya everybody will will, surely go through this cycle, so is just a matter of when and how we manage the situation, if let say uh really touch wood we were to get uh I mean we were to diagnose with


all these all all these diseases ya so ya I mean I'm, ya, oh my last health checkup uh was when I went back for reservist, ya so when I went back for reservist uh I mean


I I requested for health checkup so uh ya I mean uh, my cholesterol is at the borderline level but the rest are quite okay so I probably have to control, my my my diet on with regards uh to that don't take too oily food you know you know if you realise I if I go to chicken rice stalls I really don't


really eat the chicken skin you know, ya so uh small things like that uh you try you can you the things you can control you try you try to control, uh egg yolk usually I don't eat uh add uh, those those outside food the egg yolk usually I don't really consume it


I will I will only consume is at home but I also rarely, I mean I also rarely cook egg at home usually I cook other stuff, ya so so ya so I mean, is about how you manage your the problem ya, so I mean I mean


uh is inevitable so we just have to find some way to to manage it, uh we do our part, I mean, I mean end of the day is not just only ourselves


not in your pink of health, ya so so is not just you that are suffering, everyone around you is actually suffering ya so, ya we just have to manage it


ya Grab Uber, orh now now nowadays there's no Uber ya ya ya ya ya


oh okay so I suppose uh you do that quite often uh in Singapore when you are in Singapore or when you are in UK you you walk a lot


you want to move over here, uh but do you have a girlfriend


oh okay okay understand okay that's that that that that sounds interesting, okay, I mean I I mean uh that usually people at our age uh, I mean okay I'm I'm uh slightly older than you but uh


ya usually people at our age uh they would want to you know uh think of uh whether or not when to settle down things like that, ya but uh speaking of which uh, uh Singapore wise we we do have a system uh called


the HdB we we go through BtO you know it's a common question that that before you get married you probably will ask eh do you want to BtO, is is like a hinting to the other party you know do you want to get married, so in Singapore because our house our housing system is is mainly in in Singapore eighty five percent if I'm not wrong uh is is


of the Singaporeans ah we live in uh HdB the housing estate, so what about that uh in UK uh would you want to explain on on that further


oh okay okay, oh build to order, ya ya ya ya so is interesting ya the the the the system is, I won't comment on whether the system is good or bad but uh


more I mean if you really want to know more I can elaborate further on how the system works


okay sure sure no problem eh uh do you do you uh are are you a fan of technology just to ask


[huh] really okay


uh okay


oh okay that's that's that's that's good ya because for for me I'm I'm also a fan of technology but maybe not in terms of sound bar, maybe more in terms of you know nowadays they had they always call it, call the what smart home, now you you have, you have things like remote uh you have things like uh smart uh air conditioner smart


uh lightings you can control using your mobile phones they have mobile apps for that ya so so you can control it even before you reach home, so you can so so you can switch it on switch it off, uh they're gonna colour ya


oh no no is is is more of a an an app that that that that you have, uh to control the appliances ya but of course uh the the problem now uh is that uh, you you see you have so many appliances so you have a lot of apps


in your phone that you that you must have in order to, control them, so I mean it'll be good if let's say uh they can centralized it you know, in one app so that you can control them I mean I mean that that would be good ya but I don't know the complexity on technology side


uh whether is it very difficult to implement and how to actually integrate them because there are so many brands and stuff like that so, I think uh ya but but, generally uh the smart home think uh it's quite it's quite, it's quite good ya I I I would say because you can control it


uh as I went to like and of course uh you can you can even set timings, at certain timing you switch on certain timing you switch off or certain timings you want it to at be at certain temperature certain timing you want it to have certain level of brightness, for lightings


ya I mean I mean is is is good so, uh I I kind of I kind of like that, and the uh test just just on on smart home ya


oh that's that's another one that's a that's a speech recognition ya but but but that's part of uh uh smart home too, ya that's part of that's part of uh smart home too, ya they they


oh no no no uh, usually uh you have to say uh something like uh I I don't know I mean uh for for for, Amazon uh you have a Alexa so you might you probably have to say Alexa uh do this command but of course you have to you have to


set it uh right first, ya set it uh set it inside uh the speakers, uh for Google you probably have to say hello Google then you do some some some some stuff, ya then they will help you to do some stuff, but of course uh there are mischievous kid you know they they they


sometimes they will say some but I I I don't have that uh right now at home but uh, that's that's based on my, uh purely my my uh my little understanding, uh but uh there are issues with that also because uh, uh recently I what I heard is that uh such a system


uh they can actually have some ethical issues ya, uh things like uh I I heard there was a couple, uh they, they spoke some stuff uh back on their room but this system was actually placed in their living room


so the the the the the sound I mean the speaker actually detected, uh something uh but actually it read it wrongly and and it executed a wrong command, by sending uh, contacts, all his contact


to, uh someone luckily the someone was his good friend, ya and his good friend ask him eh why why why do you send me all this contacts imagine if he send it to somebody his client or whatever


think that would have been devastating ya so, I think on on that uh I mean it has it's pros and cons I mean technology is is, but but but all this technology in in general sense uh is quite interesting ya


uh I think, uh probably not uh I mean that is a bit intrusive, in in in some sense, because I I see it as uh , something like a, in intruding my privacy, because uh I don't know when this board when be switch on I don't know when this board will be switch off I mean if let's say some hacker they hack into the system


and then uh they take the conversation between me and my wife or me and my kids, some confidential stuff then, then I'll be in trouble, so what about you what do you think of such technologies, I mean uh I mean having go around globally, have you uh have uh have you been exposed to such technologies and I mean if yes if no but uh


what what what do you think ya


no I did auto I'm a I'm a lazy man


uh yes yes certainly certainly ya I mean I mean uh, ya uh


orh okay okay that's that's that's a that's a interesting uh, way of looking at it, ah yes yes


ya ya I I think I think it's a brilliant idea but uh, what they want to do also uh I think uh I think, I heard I I I read this article, uh I think, was it a article or was it a video I can't I can't remember but basically, uh what ST engineering is trying to do uh is they they want to use uh facial recognition system


ya, so so uh I'm not too sure is it, uh what kind of gantry is that for maybe is for passport you know those customs check (ppb), orh I I mean uh I mean the application can be can be really really wide, I mean uh to verify I mean even at the office you know


officers in in the CBD areas, the a lot of times they they want to they want you to exchange, uh they want to exchange your IC, uh for for for that so uh for for the pass, so probably I mean they they now they, may not even want to do that they make they can they can leverage on on the system (ppb)


so uh I mean ya I do agree the the , technology uh has has uh improved a lot of lives, but of course it can also work the other way, ya because it can make us, lazy, so uh so that that may not be beneficial in that sense


oh uh the PayLah the pay actually the the the the , the the the thing is the, uh this uh the the whole payment system in Singapore, is quite fragmented compared to uh countries like China, China you know you have your Wei-Xin


uh or WeChat they call it ya so so or or the Alipay, ya so so but in Singapore you have things like PayLah PayNow, uh Razorpay recently that's out, uh you have things like uh, ah I think different banks the they have they have the different uh


they offer different platforms ya, so right now is a really really fragmented market, but uh the the I think uh the government is trying to, uh consolidate uh trying to trying their best effort to consolidate uh this this thing


but is quite difficult because Singapore is a market based economy, so so it's it's not gonna be easy, but I I guess the good thing about competition is that uh it creates, uh it allows, uh different competitors to come in and and of course uh you know the only the best survive that's what that's what they say I mean the market based economy


so uh, end of the day I think uh as long as, we have uh good, uh systems that are in place check and balances, I think the consumers will stand to benefit at the end of the day, so but but does UK uh have all this uh systems


uh okay


okay that's that's interesting but but you got any idea why uh what's the motivation behind it


uh ya I think so why, uh not really but uh heard of it before, what they what what were I mean I mean do you know anything about it


oh no no no, oh no no maybe you can download it later and and try it and see I don't know how how it works ya but probably, uh I think, is is is part of our initiative I guess but I do not know


uh how how will how will it be in beneficial ya I think we can we can try it out okay, ya I think I think that that would be good


uh work life, okay so so (ppb) so uh work life ya, so work life I think uh I I currently I'm working in the oil and gas sector


ya so the oil and gas sector I mean , you know recent years, uh yes we're on the downtrend, ya so, you know uh I see a lot of my colleagues uh they are , they are being retrenched and of course uh ya we are trying to embrace the cycle ya but uh


ya and of course the work life balance uh, uh recent year is is is I mean, it is better because, you don't have so much work, ya but is, bad in a sense because, you don't have so much work because the sector is not doing well


oh the the the fortunate thing is that my my wife is working ya ya, oh my wife working as, my my wife is working uh as a as a uh admin assistant ya


special experience uh I think


oh uh I think I think uh that uh I mean uh both of us we are we are still quite young, so uh we do not really have uh a lot of experiences in our in our work


so ya I mean I mean but as times goes by I think we'll have uh take on greater opportunity uh greater, uh responsibilities and of course uh challenges along the way, you mention that uh you study in UK uh so what do you uh want to pursue uh when you come back in Singapore


oh okay okay but have you tried out uh internships uh I mean at any companies or in any sectors I mean I I won't want you to, uh say the company but probably any sectors or you are planning to draft in any sectors


ya ya ya


oh that's interesting that sounds like a RND kinda internship rather than engineering one, uh okay, okay okay that's quite that's quite interesting that that is quite interesting back in those days when I had internship


uh mine mine was not on RND I wasn't a really RND guy, I I did it in some other sectors also engineering sector but uh, not really doing engineering work ya more of a business related stuff I mean like like what you said, engineers stating their versatile so I went to try it out


uh something that is out of my field because since I have studied engineering so I don't know a bit here and there, uh but I want I tried out something new I mean when when I was young I try to explore different areas, ya so is is interesting ya so


I mean is is best that you try out uh different areas so you get a, you get a more uh informed uh view about uh the how different uh jobs are like, ya so when so ya I think, I think that's that's good I mean we both of us are still young I mean of course you're younger in some sense


ya but uh I think as long we are below thirty we we should try out something uh, we try out I mean is is a point in time in life I think, uh we can afford to fail, because uh we are still young, when you are older


then uh things are harder then its more difficult, be because you can't take so much risk, ya have you ever think of, trying to start a business before


oh you have some plans in mind do you sounds like you have, oh okay I am looking forward to that I mean I am looking forward to my god of fortune


you are my god of fortune


uh I mean I mean uh I I, I mean the current job uh has it's, challenges well I mean, is is not the kind of nine to five job uh that that a lot of people uh, uh they're having a lot of people they're complaining about the nine to five job but actually


ever since when I step into the oil and gas sector I, actually became more appreciative of nine to five jobs they are really actually they are more stable they are less volatile, compare to the job that I was doing, but of course the job that I'm doing uh you know everyday you face different uh different problems different challenges


you know as an engineer you probably will be doing, one day you can be on site, okay uh looking at the problems uh that you have uh, I mean uh ya the other the other day you can be in office doing some stimulation, ya those those very very complex stimulations


that that the the computer is doing and you have to analyse where goes wrong and then, think of solutions, you know but but ultimately we work as a team, so uh, so whether is it uh, at office with the engineers


think of uh how to how to improve the design, or on site uh you think of uh you work with the technicians or whether how to uh actually implement out the solution, so, so end of the day uh is a challenging job ya I do agree


but uh is fulfilling, so uh, I and I have a good boss I have a good mentor now so I mean I believe when you're young is better to get a good mentor, uh because you you learn more along the way, ya so, for now I probably would not really think of a quitting my job unless


uh my boss is a very bad boss but let's not talk about that here okay ya


ya ya ya I have a kid, I think uh on that end I mean he's he's still very very young I told you he's just, two years old


ya so so I think uh I I will let him decide, on on what what he wants to do, uh but of course uh as a parent like I've said just now uh mention uh earlier, as parents are we we are we are just providing the guidance


ya of course, but of course uh we let's say uh the things that he do, doesn't seem right uh then we have to do something about it as parent, ya but ultimately it depends on his interest and, as parents we just have to think of how to


develop their interest and uh, let them best succeed in life uh based on their interest I think that's that's, uh that's what every parent, would uh want to do but of course certain uh some parents


they they they they want, their children to to you know to follow their footsteps you know, you know you're an engineer then you want your children to be an engineer, ya businessman you want your, kids to take over your business, so ya I mean uh, but uh I'm I'm I'm not that type ya so


you you mentioned that uh you you do not have a girlfriend yet right, so what type of uh aspect are you looking at actually I'm quite curious like what what aspect what qualities, uh are you looking at


oh that that sounds really very profound, I I I okay that's that's that's a interesting, uh perspective from from from your side, ya I mean I mean uh, ya we talk about uh talk about different different things I think we covered ya


ya, uh I this is this conversation is recorded


uh better not let her hear this or else uh I will get myself into trouble, but, I I can only say good things right I can't said bad things here since is recorded, uh no no no I I I that's that is a piece of advice


before I said anything uh about her qualities uh I I I would want to give you a piece of advice here, uh that is, always always always praise your wife, never ever ever criticize your wife you you you will understand why uh


when your girlfriend becomes a wife, your wife sorry, ya but anyway uh speaking of the, uh qualities, well I think uh I'm quite uh in in some sense I'm quite uh, similar as you you mention that uh you want a simple wife you want a as you want a simple person


I think uh in that sense uh I'm quite similar as as you, uh both of us uh we don't really have, I mean we have ambitions but is more of uh, is not really big ambitions is small of a ambitions, uh as a family, what we want to achieve


not so much of uh personal ambitions like uh what we want to achieve in our careers and stuff like that, so also , the ambitions wise uh is is, the definition of ambition uh is different for us, ya what we want to achieve in a family how many kids do we want to have


and uh by when we want to retire, what we want to do uh as a couple and as, and of course uh with the kids, in life ya so, uh that was uh the part whereby uh you know uh of course


that being said uh, uh this this is a long term long term kind of thing, so we we do agree on on on that part uh but of course, uh like what you said uh, I uh we also you know there are times whereby we we have, uh we we have disagreements


but I think is good because uh you know you have a various perspectives, so you consider opportunities and you consider risk, uh so I mean I consider different risk on pearl, so which is a good thing, so uh we will sit down ultimately is the will


to actually resolve all the problems, ya so we will sit down and you know discuss, and of course uh, most of the time uh we will we will, we will probably, you know uh give and take, end of the day, because uh you can't


have somebody that is perfect, that is uh you you want that person to be like that like that and like that, you know that that is, I think uh that is not realistic at all, ya (ppb) that is really not realistic at all you you, I mean you are better off marrying a robot than ya who who who just listens to your your your command


so ya I mean in in that sense uh, uh that that is, what made me made the decision ya, ya correct, uh because uh my my wife and I actually we we knew each other, uh very very long time ago ya


back in secondary school days, ya, ya ya , ya ya ya that's that's why that's why ya that's that that that that is also why ya, right so so


uh ya I mean I mean we we do know each other quite well (ppb) ya so I mean uh for us, uh even though the marriage was uh I mean a shotgun marriage uh but to us, uh we are we are fine with it ya, because uh we we


we we do uh interact well ya so that that is not so much of a problem is more of the finances and, you know taking care of the kids and stuff like that that I mentioned previously that those are the issues ya


ya ya of course, oh where am I going after this uh I'm, I'm probably I mean today is a Sunday night uh probably uh I'm I'm I will have a dinner


ya but uh then after that uh I will head home, ya, I mean uh I I have I have I have a kid to look after, ya what what what about you, I mean uh are you going back uh to UK soon or, you uh ya


uh okay okay sounds like you are doing quite well there are you aiming for your first class, no no no I I I didn't I got a second lower


ya ya I got a second lower ya I mean I mean I've too much commitments to to, (ppb) to manage back then so , second lower uh is oh yes because uh we have different, different system right uh so basically a second lower is probably uh you have your GPA or your cap


or grade point grade point average ya, so how how what I mean uh how, how do they grade you guys I mean the class of, a degree uh in UK maybe you want to share on that


ah okay, scoring system okay


I think you are trying to rub salt in my wound but nevermind someone someone here is really really smart so


ya ya


uh ya we we we do have a a webcast uh we do have uh web recording so some of them uh they don't uh attend lectures, but for me hey I'm a hardworking student I'm a changed man, uh university so I I attend the lectures


so don't judge me like that okay


of course I will definitely educate him okay so it's it's, you sound like you are lecturing me now


ya ya ya two years old, oh okay


oh that's really expensive


oh really, express queue, but but how long does it uh how long is the validity and uh do you can you only go on weekdays or you can go on weekend as well


oh sorry sorry


six PM, so


ya then then why did you you why do you recommend me that you said you recommend me because of family


ya, I don't' think they have such facilities there do they have it there, I mean I I don't know


oh you make me sound like an irresponsible father eh I'm actually a very responsible father


have his freedom, okay okay so uh so you're trying to say that I'm a very very strict daddy and I should I should reflect on that


no no he's not in ready I mean he's two years old what how can be in the kindergarten ya ya, no not uh as in uh it in a child care centre I mean uh time to time uh they they they have some uh, uh some curriculum activities


uh but is not really a full time kind of study more of a maybe a few hours two two to three hours they have, they've fun and at the same time the the teacher teach them some stuff, ya but but is not really a, really some sort of uh is is is they are learning something they are learning uh new words


vocabulary stuff like that but, you can't say that that that is a full uh full time curriculum that kind of thing ya so, so I mean if you were to consider that studying then of course he is but if not, generally we late he will start probably at nursery and when he is four years old ya


ya lah ya ya ya so that so he's in a childcare center as as what I mention already ah


oh best time best time is after my after after after my work of course, ya but of course, uh like what I've said earlier the nature of my work uh, the the the good or the bad thing of the nature of my work is that uh, we we don't really work from


eight to five that counting or nine to five that counting so so, so that that is uh, that is a challenging part because uh if we're in regular work hours then that will be good, but uh, if not I just have to try to manage the the the good the bad the good thing about uh not having regular work hour is that


sometimes you know you can bring him to school you can bring him out, you know uh so so because your work hours is not regular, sometimes you so happen that you know that period eh you are free, so you can bring him out, uh of course uh not with my wife my wife has a regular working hour


ya but uh the bad thing is of course uh sometimes if I'm called back uh during weekends, then uh I just have to measure accordingly ya


uh like I said uh we we don't have uh domestic helpers ya so we probably I mean, uh me and my wife we will try to spilt it up some uh then uh during which the elderly they will help to uh take care of the kid


uh but sometimes time to time we do have uh those temporary helpers I don't know whether you have heard of them before, ya temporary helpers you know they can come in, and help, ya but of course you paid them per hour ya so so they can come in and help


uh to clean to clean the house ya to tidy the house, ya but of course uh, I mean for for those task ah I uh I I do trust them on doing, but it comes to uh handling food, handling my kid


I will prefer to to be more hands on or maybe we just dine out, ya but if it comes to handling my kid I will prefer to be more hands on, ya because uh after all, after all other people won't, be as responsible, because uh I mean is is not their kid after all I mean I could I can't blame them for that


they're they're they're not wrong in that, uh in that sense I mean uh I just feel more comfortable uh with taking the care of the kid on my on my own, so so that's that's for me, so what about you if you have a kid do you intend to get a domestic helper or do you intend to manage it on your own with your wife


you're great husband I can tell


oh uh I think there are there are a few but uh , you know when you're married you don't really uh keep in touch with with a lot of a lot of friends, ya so cause you're busy at home ya, is kind of tough


ya so I mean, right now I do I but of course uh if you look at the social media of course of course I I do know of a few, ya they they they got they got married ya, and uh I'm not too sure how how they're how they're doing now but uh looks like they are doing quite quite quite okay


ya I mean they have been constantly updating their their, social media, so I guess uh they are doing quite okay so on the force I wish the all the best for them ya I mean, I mean uh it's not easy being a parent so I wish all the best for them and for the rest who haven't got married


uh of course uh I wish all the best for them as well and of course for people like you, who haven't got a girlfriend but intent to get one of course I wish all the best for you as well and of course not just, uh in terms of relationship but in terms of career in terms of health I think health is most important i think we have


talk a quite a fair bit on that ya so those uh those are the things that I think, uh within our control of course the other things that are not within our control, orh we we don't really think of think of them


I mean uh mean is pointless to think of them things like politics, things are economy hard is is, not within our control so we just have to play by ear, ya as individuals ya so I think it's a great conversation and catch up with you today


oh play by ear you haven't heard of that before, eh but but that but that is a proper English term right that that is a proper English term you can find it in the dictionary, uh play by ear basically uh means that uh you just


uh see the situation and you know, you just go along and and plan your strategy according to to what happens ya, ya I mean I mean a lot of things are changing around the world that's so fast so rapidly


things like technology, ya so, you just have to adapt, and see how you can best attempt to it ya so, basically you have to act like a comedian, they say, comedian


uh this one uh I think you have to ask yourself anyway is getting really really late, so uh thanks for the conversation ya, ya I think I think we we we we I think is is good, think is really really great


of of you come coming coming down, ya uh what what what what do you think of of our the conversation today do you think is is, have you learn something very new


ya that's kind of sad, ya ya ya, ya thank you, ya I think I think will shoot


ya see you see you, okay


ya, uh the next few week okay so, so so the next the next few weeks I think


okay uh (ppb), have you have you caught up with uh the the preview uh the, I mean uh the friends that that that we used to, hang out with previously, have you have you catch up with them


uh ya more more of uh talking about uh, I mean uh not just our group of friends maybe other group of friends uh you you you have uh doing uh your, poly days


(ppb) we shall see about that, I tried that before it's really really fun I I tried and and the last time I went there I went there ten times straight


ten times ride straight so is like going down and up down and up, really, really you you you want to ask a friend of ours James, ya he can testify for that I went with him


James, ya, ya ya ya he was like (ppb)


ah he he he he's always the guy that that sings uh what what what song is that again let me try to recall, what song was that again uh, oh he sings uh you raise me up, ya


ya, oh that that that song is is is uh I think it's a well written song, you haven't even ask me on that how am I supposed to tell you


dude, you're so rude in asking, okay but anyway, uh I I I usually prefer uh Chinese music not so much of English music so


I mean uh I I can't dwell to much on on on on that uh for for English music because, uh it has been some time that I listen to English music ya, then what about you you like English music


I want to know you better too so why why why is this conversation sounds like a single type of conversation


oh what what is it on what is it about, oh musical, ya ya been been been to been to that once


ya one, can't remember that was quite a number of years back, ya, okay, uh okay, okay


how's the theatre there, are they like Esplanade or they are much better


sixty pounds, wow, sixty pounds is about hundred and twenty ya hundred and ten hundred and twenty Sing dollars wow that's really expensive


yup, oh is it, oh is it like what I said it has been quite some time that I went to


a musical so I probably will not really know uh the the the price of a a musical right now, but you seem like like you you you like or musicals, okay so have you perform or, or is this your first time uh writing a music


for for a musical, oh okay


wow, ya ya correct correct


no problem


oh uh I can't say so much for for for English music uh but Chinese music wise uh, I I tend to look at the lyrics uh more than the, ya ya because uh the the lyrics uh actually to me I I mean this is


my based on my own opinion uh the the lyrics for Chinese musics, to me uh they are a way of, the uh composer like people like you, uh trying to express themselves, uh through through through lyrics through words instead of uh writing an essay


those Chinese essay you know, they they they write it through a song they they converse whatever they feel, uh through a song, so uh and those really really good songs I feel uh actually, uh make use of nature


so so they they make use of nature so they compare life you know what what's happening with life, uh how do they feel with with uh what god has given us which is nature, ya so is quite uh interesting, ya so uh and uh some of the lyrics


that they have is quite meaningful, in in in in that sense, but uh when I look at English songs, uh I I dare not say uh those musical songs because I don't really know a lot of them, but I I realise the English pop songs nowadays uh doesn't have much meaning behind it doesn't have much significance so


just like them ranting and shouting, ya, ya ya ya right right ya so so that, that to me uh seems a bit problematic and uh, I don't really like them do do you really like them or does


uh the UK people really like uh this type of music or they prefer those classical music


that is really really long five minutes would wouldn't their hands uh be be swollen by then


ya ya ya which is which is really bad even Chinese song they they they they they use a lot of vulgarities, (ppb) which I don't understand why because it just tells me that uh you have a very limited, range of vocabulary of expressing yourself, I mean there are so many ways you can express your anger your frustrations


you can do it uh I mean in a in a more civilized manner, ya why why would you I mean, I mean why would you only choose, uh vulgarities to me you you are you are


you are not really showing that you really appreciate music, you are showing that, are basically you don't appreciate music and you are just trying, to make of fool of yourself either that or you are trying to


be famous, uh through this kind of means but, you know you you you, it is not in the spirit of you really appreciating music and the people around you who hear all these things, they they they may not like it too ya


oh okay, okay horrendous ya, uh I mean I I I I probably would just want to look at the lyrics but uh


not really listen to this song because, I think will be quite painful for my ears ya so so so but but, at end of the day I think uh, even though you do not uh because even though if you do not have a good


uh instrument uh in instrumental uh the list, accompanying the lyrics, uh I think uh, uh that can be resolved, ah quite uh I wouldn't is quite easily, uh because you you you definitely need to get somebody who is uh well first in this area


ya but uh, ya it can it can be managed versus you having lousy lyrics, uh and then with I mean, when you have lousy lyrics uh most of the time the the instrumental, would also be you know very


kind of crazy that type so is, hard for you to, change the lyrics


ya ya I mean I mean both both sides uh , uh have have uh are important I I won't say that uh one side is important than another but if you really uh I mean uh from my part of view I would, uh I appreciate the the lyrics more than uh the instrumental maybe mainly is because probably is because


I can only play trombone and nothing else , ya


uh okay okay


ya ya I I actually I like I like this kind of supporting role ya, ya ya I don't like to be in the limelight, so so so that's why that's why when you say that ya I I agree, ya I


ya you're right, ya, ya thank you, ya see you


hi uh so which school do you want to enrol your child in


so is it like a neighbourhood school or, some others schools that, any special schools that you might want your child to be enrolled in


so for myself I guess, probably somewhere near where I will staying in the future, for now because, uh it's still a long way to go, but probably somewhere


near my house a neighbourhood school would be fine, if, if if they are more, intelligent or more capable maybe we can look at, the, top schools in Singapore if possible ya


for schools wise I guess, as long as the, child is very comfortable with the environment that, he will be, studying in I think that's the most important thing, so, at the end of the day I believe it's


he or she is, most comfortable in ya and maybe the teachers, uh are they the ones that, are truly caring for their children I think that's that's also another important thing to consider


so for, parents support group I guess that will really depend on, how busy I'll be at work in future, so if, if time allows time permits then we can, try and look at some of the, parents support group that


uh we might be interested in ya, do you have any, specific CAAs that you want your child to be enrolled in


okay so, would you like to share something more about, uh the considerations that, you might, that your child might consider in future


ah okay so, what about may maybe you can just talk a little bit about yourself like, uh what did you do as a student when you're in secondary school


troublemaker


I wouldn't classify myself as a very, obedient I mean I have my, fair share of, ah mischieve yup so, I guess it really lies down to, how mischievous we were as students


so for example I, I used to keep my homework, like in my in one of my cabinets at home so that, I try to make up excuses uh, to my teachers that I actually lost my homework, but actually it was just


not, it is a way of not doing my homework, and then running away from all the responsibilities, so, I guess that was like my fair share of mischief and other than that I sometimes got myself into


unnecessary trouble so I use to have, I was in this class, which consisted of people from, very waving backgrounds some of them are, bullies some of them have very


great backgrounds that, not, many people in Singapore might have so, in terms of the, diversity of the background of the people that I see in, my class, uh in the past was


I mean I had a very good, I have a breadth of uh good breadth of experience and, talking to those people handling difficult situations in class ya, that's about it yes


oh okay I see, then what about your CCA last time


okay, oh Wushu ah so what, what are some of the things that you, you did


as a Wushu trainee, ya


oh I was, I did some, maybe you can call it CCA hopping, so what I did was I started off as a choir member, ya so eventually you know as guys we


we tend to break our voice, during our teen teenagers days, so eventually I wasn't able to, sing properly , when I was having my puberty stage, so what I did was I change my CCA eventually to


uh running, so running was a was an interesting sport or you can call it track and field, so that is also, a good way to make sure that we maintain a healthy lifestyle, as well as, making new friends


ya so I I was talking about uh CCAs rights


okay I was talking about CCA, so, yes CCA in track and field so it was a very interesting sport, uh I I participated in running, uh probably the one hundred meter sprint that was the most common one


ya so what about yourself did you've done any, sports, other than Wushu


okay so you are generally not a sporty person


okay but have you been, running lately or doing any other sports, I mean especially age is catching up


uh when was your last uh reservist cycle, last year, oh I have to say I I mean I have not been called back by the army


so I don't have my fair share of story to share but would you like to share yours with me


NS Men


reservist, okay so, basically currently I am not, okay I'm just I'm just I just came back from Singapore, ya for, three months but after that I'll be going back to London again to study


but is only temporary so that means I will be coming back, in maybe another, five years, ya depend depending on whether, I would want to pursue uh, post graduate degree, afterwards yes so


uh I I mean I'm not rich but, is part and parcel of life, so, I will be, yes currently I'm currently doing well uh abroad, and hopefully it will be, good (ppb) in the sense that


uh my results will be good (ppb), ya, so that's the reason why I'm not doing, or rather I'm not doing my reservist anytime so soon, ya so will be waiting for my


reservist call or whatever you call it mock ops manning is that the right term, ah okay so oh yes I forgot you you were from another side alright so, yes I'll be waiting for my


ops manning and, some other exercises that they might want us to be back for, stuff like that


oh okay so currently I'm doing engineering I'm doing engineering abroad, curriculum wise is, maybe more practical, because uh, over there they believed in


bringing their students for, excursion field trips, so field trips in, more more of a, very hands on, experience


uh the mountains going to for example visiting the geographic, uh scenic places to study about rocks, ya that's part of engineering, uh to study about nature, and to understand how people are living


on the ground, basically what's happening, beyond the text book, so it's more I would say it's more, there's more places to be discovered, because I mean in Singapore is too small so sometimes


going, beyond, the boundaries of our country might be a better choice, so it it could be an eye opening experience for, myself, uh what what about you


oh okay that's nice, so what about, maybe maybe let's just talk about other things like your, hobbies so what do you do during your free time


is it Crazy-Rich-Asians, I have not watched, Crazy-Rich-Asians, because I'm not a Crazy-Rich-Asian, so, I don't know how it's like being a Crazy-Rich-Asian but


my friends who went for, who went to the movie, uh who watched the movie will found it, not, as crazy as they thought ya but I think it's, a, good opportunity to catch the movie before


it's, before it's being , ya sold out, uh okay sure, so besides watching movies


oh yes by the way do you play any musical instruments


oh so talking about instruments, I used to play the drums, [orh] I tell you playing drums is uh very very, it's a way to relief stress, ya so sometimes


I mean just any drum beat, would make you feel the beats, and, there's a hook to playing drums, so, whenever I feel stressed at work be it studies or, or it it can be a part time job or


or, an industrial attachment or internship, ya so just going jamming sessions with my, friends is it's a very eye opening experience, trombone uh wow okay so how long did you play the trombone


trombone


wait trombone what is a trombone uh is it like a is it golden in colour with that long, long's slight that, that you push


but but was it difficult to play


uh okay so, was trombone because is a very big instrument so, was it like very hard to, play play loudly or


lung power, so people who are smoking can't play the trombone


oh okay so for students we, for students abroad or people who who would like to play, I should use the word noisy but because, drums can be a


drums, bring life to music, so can you imagine songs with no drums, how's it gonna be like he's gonna be not, how should I put it so it's it's not gonna to be


is not going to bring life to the music, life to people and people would not enjoyed the beat, so actually drums is I shouldn't call it noisy but if, we have a jamming session if you want to have if you want to have a jamming session with your friends


uh there's actually a special room crated for, uh people like us, so we wouldn't be disturbing, uh the people living nearby ya, in fact, my house in the UK was


I mean is is not a really a house is a student hall the student hall is quite, is quite soundproof, so whenever I play drums uh is not gonna to disturb my neighbours, ya but in Singapore, when I play drums in Singapore uh, maybe is not a very good idea because you know our HDB flats are not


are not very soundproof, so usually I would book a room, to myself uh in, those jamming, those rooms made for jamming music jamming ya with all my other friends, mate would you like to join me for jamming


oh okay and you still have the cheek to laugh alright, anyway let's just uh shall we talk about


I mean I mean enough about arts, oh yes do you own a car, oh okay so I mean I mean it's a


okay, but, I mean having a car is can be can be quite a convenient thing or or I mean, there are MRT here and there but, what about, your, do you have any desire for


uh purchasing a car if you can


me a car, I haven't even gotten my driving license so don't even talk about the car, ya so, maybe can you tell me about the process about getting a driving license


when did you get your driving licences, recently so is it uh for motorcycles or for cars


you mean you don't ride motorcycles, ah okay so, let say if you don't buy a car like within the next five years


so wouldn't you forget how to really drive, is that like is that like some sort of, a refresher course offered by the schools


oh yes I heard about the Blue-SG I saw some of the Blue-SG cars, running around in Singapore ya


so did you try driving uh one of the one of the , Blue-SG cars, uh okay so in the Punggol area I believe there are, such initiatives right


UK transport system , let's see, pretty much the same like what we have in Singapore, uh maybe, ya actually it's very much the same thing all the drivers drive on, their right hand side like what we have in Singapore


they have cars they have, buses there's a train I mean there are trains, they don't call it trains, some of I mean the, it really depends on which part of UK that you are talking about because UK is very big


ya but for example in, in Italy they have uh different rails, rail systems for, people who are travelling from one state to another state, ya that's for Italy


then if you are talking about London London we have, uh this thing called the Tube, ya they call it tube because the tunnel literally looks like a tube, ya so that that that's a name for their


for their transport system for the railway, if you're talking about the traffic traffic wise in, ya traffic can be quite busy if you're talking about London it can be very busy at times


ya so it's like it's very much like Singapore


not that I know of because I don't really take the the Tube very often, maybe, would you like to share uh I mean we have


you have been talking about yourself in Singapore have you travelled overseas, [orh] you're you're too busy for that like do you travel to any other countries


I can be quite busy at times so, probably the if you are talking about travelling, around Europe, maybe with my school is that considered I mean I have been talking about, all the field trips that


are organised by my department ya that can be a, that can be an option, oh yes I remember you went Taiwan right like a few years back so how was your experience in Taiwan


so what about people who are non Chinese


so I have gone to, Indonesia, ya Indonesia is a very very close to Singapore, uh I have been to, Malaysia that's the most, common one I guess


and I have been to, Vietnam yes Vietnam for my Community Service, uh project with my, ya my previous institution, yes what about yourself have you have you done any overseas community involvement projects


cannot really quite remember what I actually did because it was like so long ago, but it was something related to what you are doing what you will doing back then, so, I guess it's more for


furniture refurbishment, yes so furniture it can be, tables and chairs, I think basic English, uh teaching was part of the project, and we also did some


interactions with the villagers, uh back in Vietnam, and the villagers were very hospitable what about your side uh in Cambodia back then


ah okay so I believe you did your community, service project in the rural areas right so you might be surprised by, the number of people cycling, ya so do you take up cycling as a sports or


[orh] you don't know [orh] even until at your current age you don't know how to cycle, I thought you just said you don't drive, but you don't


oh okay so, so currently you don't I mean you don't have a car now right so, but I think it it might be quite useful to pick up cycling as a, maybe just as a form of transport you know like travelling from


one place to another like within your house, I think it might be a good chance to have, cycling as part of your mode of transport next time, so for cycling probably just from my house to the station


just by walking it takes about, ten minutes but if you cycle you know , with our current, uh ofo ofo bikes all the, bikes that can be rented by the public ya you can just take the bike and then cycle your way to


the station it's just about three minutes depending on how fast you cycle, so I think you should pick up cycling as a sport, soon maybe I can teach you cycling


but I think it's important to keep yourself uh fit you know to have a healthy lifestyle, I mean don't just sit down at home, being cooped up at home doing nothing or if you are not doing nothing, but if you are not doing nothing then


even it just sitting down doing all the desk, bound related work it's gonna be very, it's going to be very bad for you in the long run don't overwork yourself


nah I I will I, I would say it's your time management your time management is very bad


so, oh okay so are you trying to say that your wife is, uh not understanding


oh okay I see, then maybe just share some of your experiences taking care of the kids, since you said you, are very hands on


I can't see that because I'm not your son, ya so you need to educate me now


when did you when did you get married with your wife because you you look very young so, ya when when when did you get married, in which year


two years back, and how old is your son


two years old oh, two years plus oh so that means, the child is already born before your marriage am I right to said that, oh okay so how how was it like I mean


was was it very tough on you


CIP, oh okay okay yes okay so for, I mean the community involvement project staff are pretty standard, right is pretty standard so, I mean


we covered this earlier right were you actually listening to me, ah okay so yes I did some, Community Service in Singapore so


with schools, engaging with the elderly can be, quite a challenge if you know very limited, dialects, so because uh, the older generation of, the senior citizens


can't really understand English, some, can't understand Chinese so it's always best to, have a common dialect to speak, uh with them so the dialect that I usually use at home or sometimes with


people that can't really speak English or Chinese is Hokkien, ya Hokkien is a very, it can be quite uh it it can be quite easy to learn and it can be quite difficult as well, depending on how versatile you are


so for my generation, the number of people knowing Hokkien or other dialects is dwindling, and it can be quite, worrying for the future generations maybe the dialect, Hokkien dialect might not be uh


very, frequently used, a form of, conversation in future, maybe what are your thoughts on that do you use, dialects with your kids


[orh] so what dialect do you use again is was it Hokkien as well, oh Teochew


I rarely use dialects sadly, but, if, but because my grandparents, can't really understand uh Chinese, so, I would use Hokkien, ya I mean I come from a Hokkien background


not, I don't really know about, Teochew I don't really know about the others, other dialects so, yes basically just English, Chinese, Hokkien, and Singlish yes


Singlish


oh so, I think Singlish is, a very efficient way of, bringing a point across to what you want to tell your, uh friends or the person that you are engaging with, so, in other countries


for example in the UK, if you use Singlish, they can't really understand, exactly what Singlish is because, is too shall I use the word concise, sometimes it can be very concise so for example


I just tell you, instead of saying uh where are we going later, so we just, cut it short, where you going, (ppb) yes so we just, it it's like very very efficient so, if you use I mean some people do use Singlish


in UK so for example if, I'm conversing with my Malaysian friends ya Malaysians they tend to use, ah colloquial English as well, and if, if not when I'm speaking with my English friends I would use proper English


it's uh NS oh yes, they tend to speak very slowly, and we tend to speak very very quickly, I think we at our current pace is not too bad, ya but sometimes we get to speak very very fast like that and it turns out that like we're rushing for a train ah you know things like that


ya so


shows a form of our efficiency, but do you think Singlish will hinder you know the younger generations


uh in terms of their ability to speak proper English, with working professionals or, ya maybe just engaging a, proper conversation with clients in the future


ah yes talking about chicken rice that's my favourite, so in UK, there will be, Asian's running, stalls selling, Asian delights, and you might be surprised by the number of


people selling Singaporean cuisine, I mean I have not tried rojak I mean neither do I, encounter any Rojak, the UK, or maybe there's a different name for it but definitely I I miss Singapore


Singapore's food, and, that's the reason why I'm back here to, enjoy as much, as enjoy the food as much as possible and there's a lot of huge variety of food, in Singapore you will be surprise that


people actually take, the kopitiam, the food, the food uh the hawker centres, the food courts, for granted so, but the the the matter of, as a matter of facts in UK


there's no such thing as food court, very very rarely you see food court, most of the food you can find are all located, in the streets so street houses, ya these are the areas that you can find food


but is not like a place , colossal place with, food, a centralize location for people to get all kinds of food in, one just one big shop


or big place, like our hawker centres so is very very difficult to find, a variety of food in UK, unless you go to the, went out to the expensive restaurants, extravagance


oh that's went your, your pocket, uh you'll see holes in your pocket, ya so it's, ya I I think, is always best to have oh yes for example, chicken rice in UK can be about maybe let's me let me talk about


London for example so in London, to buy a chicken rice, it it costs about, twelve pounds, ya that's equivalent to maybe about, twenty two dollars


twenty two dollars in Singapore, ya so for twenty two dollars for a chicken rice when we can get, just a two dollars chicken rice in the Ananas, you know the cafe near the MRT, ya you can eat that eleven times so for me


I need to be very very careful with my expenditure, if I want to enjoy Asian food, a foreign country like, UK, England ya England specifically


ya may would you like to share with me uh what, what are the kinds of food you eat everyday


yes yes definitely ah yes talking about sweet stuff, so, because recently I found that some of my friends parents, because you know as age is catching up, you start to


you know have problems very like , health problems to be specific, so would you talk about would you like to share with me whether you have encountered, any buddy or your close ones with


I think the common one is diabetes right


deterial rate


when was your last health checkup I mean you are not young anymore so, when was your last health checkup


anywhere, ya so actually just simple stuff like, making sure that you, I don't know about your love ones okay but for my side, they always like to take, uh taxi, or cab


uh what what what do you call that the Grab ah uh Grab ah, Uber, [orh] there's no more Uber anymore right so Grab, ya all the ComfortDelGro apps everything will start to


what the private hired, cars were start to, be an idea for them to travel from place to place, so, ya I think, you're right about, maintaining a healthy lifestyle so


for you, having a family I mean even though you don't have a car now, my advice to you is to, try to avoid taking Grab, or, taxis or cab, if it just a


you know a short distance, so for example from Bukit-Panjang to Chua-Chu-Kang, ya just, sometimes you can just take a walk in the park, then you will reach there you know it it its it is also part and parcel of a healthy lifestyle


so in Singapore, ya usually I walk from my house to, Clementi


ya because uh I, I mean I I I have a house in a Jurong, I stay in the house at Jurong so from Jurong to Clementi is not, very very far away, ya so just take a walk from Jurong


to Clementi its fine, is not gonna to be a hassle, ya so, I think for you, Punggol might be quite, inaccessible I guess I mean uh other than having the North East Line, our North East Line MRT


uh as well as your busses, ya ya think, more less oh yes Punggol is a very nice place, there are many walk waterways over there, the park the canals the rivers, ya just


that will depend on my future wife, so I mean I'm not married yet but if I'm married, girlfriend not at the moment ya because I have my own priorities


how is that interesting


I mean I stay in the student hall so I don't really know the system, the housing system put in place for the Brits, ya so I think that's a very difficult question to answer, but sorry what, what is BTO


what what's the full term for BTO, oh built to order ah okay


ah I I think it's fine because I think it's too early to talk about housing, at my current age, so maybe when I start to, have plans for, my, fiancee or my future wife then I'll let you know again


technology yes of of course of course okay so, I think I have a I'm a big fan of speakers


ya okay so it's quite an unusual, unusual or should I call it interest okay but I have a, I am quite a big fan of uh speakers so when I talk about speakers it's not


human speakers, but the amplifiers, the hifi system because I think having a good sound system is very important, is very important so , I have this soundbar at home in my room


and this soundbar , it produces very good sound quality and very, well defined, base boost, ya base boost so when I whenever I listen to pop music


it keeps the beat, I mean I especially, for someone who loves drums, so I I think, having a good speaker for, the base beat to be amplified, in a


relatively big environment like our living room, is very important, and sometimes my, family would watch movies at home, so it when we watch movies at home, using the


a good, sound system would be very nice and it keeps the, atmosphere to it's, desired moment


so what, so what did you say like is it like a voice command or


sorry ah just let me clarify is it something like the, okay Google then you say something and then the, it recognises your voice and then it executes, your command, accordingly is it something like that


so so just by saying for example uh, switch on, the lights then, the machine will just


fix it up and, switch on the lights, automatically


would you like to have one in your room in future


ya so, I mean, automation is, currently the, should I call it the in thing, ya it it's a modernise way of, bringing convenience to many many people from all walks of life


but personally I feel that, sometimes it doesn't kill to you know just, take a few steps closer to doing something, and it also keeps your body moving, ya so manual is still the way to go it's like driving so


I mean as guys sometimes, uh we we feel the adrenaline, trying out, more challenging stuff, ya even some girls do that as well so people who like challenging stuff


they will go for the manual way, just like driving you know manual and auto, I mean you you did manual driving right, oh you did auto, okay ya so it really it really lies


ties down to, what kind of person you are so for for example for myself, I mean it's, easy to execute tasks, just by walking like for example taking a cup of water


ya just just go there and, pour some water and then just have a sip, you know even movements like that keep your body moving and is also, part of a healthy lifestyle that we have been talking about


but of course I think it will be useful for people who have, some disabilities, ya people who have, problems or challenges, making big movements people who are wheelchair bound


and are needed to execute, tasks that require, big movements then that might be problem so, we then automation would be very very helpful


in fact I think you know the tap in tap out gantries at, ah okay so the tap in tap out gantries at our MRT trains, I think they are going to implement something about, no just but like walking a few distance away from the gantry and then the gantry will immediately detects


your Ezlink card without you having to tap on the gantry I think that's a very very good idea


oh wow


ya even nowadays uh me I just came back, not long not too long ago, and then recently there's this, you know we used to do a lot of bank transfers right you know like, transferring, money to your friends uh using it like just by getting your bank account details


which can be quite a hassle, I heard there is a more convenient way to do that is it called the, PayLah or PayNow system


platforms


usually I use cashless payments so I I would just use my, bank card and then, just, take the bank card, just tell them that you want to pay by, card and then you just type in your password


it's a little bit like Nets like the Nets system we have in, Singapore, but, even by paying even, paying by visa requires, us to key in our password, yes


so it's an added, should you call it uh another layer of security ya so, ya so that that that's probably something that, it's, new to me when I first, touch down in


UK, oh I'm not too sure I mean, this, this one lets just leave it to, to the locals over there ya


oh yes, by the way , you know ah I've been looking at a lot of, posters uh these posters, our lift lobbies, this SG I think is, is it SG secure


have you use the app before SG secure, uh I mean obviously not that's why I'm asking you whether, you have used the SG secure app


and, just trying to wonder how it actually works ya


ya I think we should go and try out later and download, ya just download it and try out later, ah yes you haven't been talking about your work life, so can you share with me about your work life


ya I mean because I mean as a father you need to, are you the sole bread winner of your family your own family, ah okay okay so what is your wife working as


nice nice so uh, there's a fair share of experience to share between your wife and, yourself, right, uh work experience in terms of the variety of


job scopes and tasks that, the two of you undertake in your respective uh workplaces


ah okay that's I I think that's a very good question, so , currently I'm doing engineering, but I'm not too sure if, it is the right, because a lot of engineers they end up becoming uh, a business man


ya very very versatile they believe that, you know uh engineers, can do, business modelling business related, uh jobs as well, so, I don't really have a proper plan now


but if I do I will get back to you again


[orh] okay so when I was doing my diploma, I did my internship at NTU, ya I did my internship at NTU so uh NTU Nanyang Technological University of Singapore, I did my internship there uh with


it was a research base project, ya so basically I was a, research engineer, doing a project uh related to, soil, ya related to the, the geographical conditions of a


particular place in Singapore, do you know about marine clay, ya okay so marine clay is uh one of the, biggest problems that we have, uh in terms of construction in terms of


uh science scientific related experiments you know for, stability of soil and, things like that so I was involve in, a project a scientific project related, uh soil


ya on marine clay, wah that's like very very long ago, ya so, ya it was a very very interesting experience but, it's not the kind of internship that, uh many people uh many people are many students are currently doing


uh for example related to their course of work, ya related to their specialisation, so mine was a bit, uh not related to what I, intend to do so, it was more scientific


ya more chemistry and physics, uh in fact there are many many many calculations, some, biological stuff that we need to know as well ya so it it's very very, it's very different from what I actually expected


yes so it's like a, yes so it's more of like a research, and development, ya ya research and development, ya


I haven't thought of , oh that's a actually is a quite a tough question okay because I don't truly have a plan yet, but I haven't really thought of, starting up a business like for example opening a my a company of uh for


my own company in future, because that will require a huge amount of capital, and I don't really come from a wealthy family, ah I mean unlike you you come from a wealthy family so, I guess


maybe if in future if you are interested you are willing to help me I think that, would be a good start for my business model, I don't really have a stable plan yet but once I have a firm plan in my head


I will let you know immediately, ya, god of fortune what what's that, no no no I'm not your god of fortune


alright so, oh yes uh, do have you ever thought of quitting your job do you like your current job


ah okay that's nice that's nice, so, what about your, oh yes you have a kid right I forgot you have a kid, do you have like any specific routes that you want your kid


to be venturing to


I am a very simple person, so, I definitely want my other half to be simple as well, not too sophisticated, not too materialistic, and obviously


I think, I would regard appearance as a bonus, otherwise character, plays the most important thing, in my selection, ya, so for my other half I I think the beliefs


personal beliefs have to be the same, ya personal beliefs have to be the same it's just, making sure that, we are all in on the same page there's no, extreme arguments when


when we quarrel I mean sometimes arguments can be healthy, but too much of arguments conflicting beliefs, conflicting ideologies and stuff, it's gonna be quite troublesome, ya so, I guess


I think I'm not gonna be get I'm not gonna married so soon, because uh, I've just feel that it's not the right time, and if I do find a girlfriend now, let's say if, that girl is in Singapore


and I'm gonna suffer this thing called LDR, or what they usually call it the long distance relationship, which it's not gonna be sustainable for most cases but there are also, stories that, it's very, romantic and sustainable relationships


that, are taking place between someone who is currently in the UK and, or even someone who is currently in other countries uh with, with the with, his the other half in Singapore so I guess it's just a


sometimes it really it really depends on your fate, ya so for me I believe I think let's just, let nature take it's course, and if it's not the one, we can always find another one


and what they always say don't don't just look at, one single tree but, there are many other trees in the forest ya don't let, one tree be a deforestation of the others in the forest ya


wait wait wait, I think let's not change the subject so, let me bring back the question to you, so what kind of, what kind of person is your wife, why did you choose to marry her


I mean if it's a good thing you shouldn't be scared, I mean you can say bad things, if you want to


wow that's so long ago is probably about, more than ten years, wow


oh okay I see so, I mean as long as you are happy now you you have a you have a kid, is she happy I believe so right, ya so I I think that that's, that's very very important, so where are you going after this


probably not so soon because I want to enjoy my time here anyway my curriculum is not gonna start so soon as well, ya the the curriculum, there and the curriculum here in Singapore, again it's very different, so


we don't need to worry about that ya, I mean when it's time for me to go back I will go back, time for me not to go back, I would, ya I will do my best accordingly


first class, ya I mean if I can get my first class that would be a bonus did you get your first class back then, second lower


sorry what's the second lower, GPA what what is GPA or cap


[orh] okay so for that