top three on your bucket list, actually I never ask you this question before what do you want to do like, at least, once before you die, top three in your bucket list


oh you have not like , burning desire to do certain things like maybe skydiving, actually you have done that before you have jumped, you did jump out of a oh you have never done that, oh right okay how about


scuba diving somewhere in, uh see the Northern light, no, what else, is that nothing, really


okay that's one item, how would you come on that's just, eat a bite of everything


okay no but how you're going to get it for free, come on okay you've to had set some more realistic like, dreams right, okay and can we can we have one which isn't food related


you, you've never thought about this


right that's, that is true you you do have that quality about you, okay do you want to see any places in particular, or do anything, which is not


related to eating , like maybe drive a sports car, or, okay any particular model, just, like two hundred km per hour !wow! okay


buggy jumping, okay


convert a friend, who you said that would be in your bucket list, be able to minister to a friend and, exto


, no as in, ya I know but you not talk about religion talking about something you want to do which happens to be related to your, personal believe


what, ya but would you wouldn't you like to do that I think that's quite, that's quite nice, my bucket list , open a cat sanctuary


really I'm not kidding you , why I really love cat, like you just have a place where the cats all uh room free and you rescue or you pull them out of uh, high kill shelters


what, okay lah so I mean you need to have like it has has to be big enough, uh the cats must uh be properly uh, what did you call that uh introduced, you know things like that and and ya


I don't mind, , no preference, I actually pick eh I pick a very uh proactive


uh role in his, day to day uh the, the taking care of him and uh meeting his needs, yes I previously I couldn't, sorry because I was working until like four am okay that's no possible I need to sleep as well


ya but you do you see the thing is like actually enjoy taking care of him and watching him grow I I don't know, okay either that, yup either that or opening a child orphanage which is run


ethically, I mean is something you want to do a bucket list correct me if I'm wrong before you die right ya, yes I would, yes


feel that I still have a number of years, I can't just open a child orphanage now I have no money and no ya so I mean this, I I I I don't know


that is one option, but there are other as well right, like , just knowing the right people, and I don't know


maybe if you work at a high paying job you would be, you become a slave to that job and, that would detract from the enjoyment the enjoyment of, setting this up, oh you can eventually retire


I guess that's one way, yes, but that's because you are not an FE


I feel like a lot of like I I I feel like the only way for me to be truly satisfy with life is that, I must have hope, people something, you know done you know achieve or walk toward a course


ya it's outward focused exactly, that's not exactly a bad thing so so normally people like to


use that as the to to highlight that as one of the main differences between, introverted pillars and extroverted pillars, but that's also another dimension which is very favorable for people like you, which is that introverted pillar have a very strong


inner moral compass and I'm not so easy swag by majority opinion, so for example, and the reason why I don't choose where to go and eat, because I feel like, my own choices are not the most important is the community's choices, so I make it a point to really try and ascertain what the group wants to do and I'll tell myself that is also what you want to do because


the only thing which is acceptable for you is what, makes everybody happy, right so the that uh leaves us very susceptible to like uh group pressures, I feel, and that's something which people like you would not be so vulnerable to


which is, I wouldn't say selfishness but more of like , uh, uh what do you call that uh being genuine to yourself, and that that is important I feel okay that's the reason why there's a mix of these people in the world because if if you only had one


type of, person, it would like to quite disastrous uh, results, yup so we need people like you as well to stand up for like things which are which are wrong I guess


ya, and if we had people like me we would never decide on where to go for dinner , right, ya and then I say no ah I don't I don't have any preferences


uh you guys choose see, passing the bark eventually someone has to decide and did you realize is usually you and miss mo, that, come out with the answers


it is right, your birthday, sorry, but I honestly (ppb) have a (ppb)


they won't spend time with us on a Sunday come on, think about it, yup so


so yes that's that's a in conclusion that's one of the things one of the item in my bucket list, again, are they they are not a strong opponent


yup so what else would I really want to do before I die, people to see Chinese properly, ya I think it's a very important part of my cultural identity


I feel like I'm quite an embarrassment to, to my I don't know to my ancestors to my root, ya


I guess, I guess, but maybe once you have accomplished it it's the like the sense, of achievement, or sense of accomplishment which you carry with you for rest of your life I don't know


I guess ya, in your hip lah that's probably the least painful and and you wouldn't really expect it right


in ya lah I guess I do think that it might be quite painful, ya so maybe the easiest, the best way is if it doesn't hurt, a great deal and


ya gonna give him a, uh him or her, a bit life crisis or whatever stage they are ya existential crisis come one


sure no surprisingly right some of the people they're talk to up perfectly, content with not knowing the answer to these questions in fact they don't even think about these questions all that often, just kind of like a happy go lucky kind


and five seconds later you are like ah who cares, and, and it a kind of, it's it's a blessing I think


that to them they are, ya and they're, they as in to another person they may not be leaving it to what they consider the other person consider fullest potential, but they are fulfilled and they're happy and maybe that all the matters you know if you take the view that


life is just, exactly


could be


okay, another card which I though was uh interesting, if you could turn back time, what is the one thing you would have done differently, really, at all, nothing no regret about life at all that's surprising


I thought you say something like uh study a bit harder so I'll get my Magna , no


not even one thing, I would have bought a second helping of state at Steak-#Otsuka#


you see that is the problem is the hedonistic threadmill that , uh uh the pastor was talking about last week that


once you go down this path, you just keep one thing more of that experience this, if you if you wanted to change that one thing is not gone to be enough you want to change something else as well to make your life just, that bit more perfect right


no like if I didn't have this uh once you've changed this uh aspect of your life you wuold say eh but there is something that I want to also change and, to to make it better you know things things like that so, when your when your answer is uh to what end I think that's actually quite


and and lighten view, right, ya, maybe I wouldn't have been so, upset when my money got stolen


in Germany, enjoying my grad trip, yes, it did, nah I not very interested , ya what esle (uh(


I would not have, taken, the TC offer, with warm tea


think that was really a mistake, the other yup, thought that was, who knows who knows I mean no I don't think I would have left in three month, been worse, uh okay


I don't know ya that's a problem with, time travel you never know what the consequences of your, decision to change something in the past right, so this question if you could turn back time, without and only changing that one thing ceteris paribus I don't know maybe then


oh that is not English, ya you can't exactly you can't, things would, exactly they would definitely exchange right I don't know ya but, okay then I guess instead of saying that I want to change something, I would say that something which I regret


oh ya ya which is a kind of the same as, yup, are we criticizing their questions now, pro bono what are you willing to devote your time and energy to without getting paid


oh goodness, you, are seriously, ah anyway, what would I, devote my time and energy to without getting paid


social courses are you surprise to the answer nope, I think that's a bit difficult, maybe alleviating, income inequality I think that is very big, I I feel a lot about about that


like, capitalism and the kind of, ills which capitalism has for our society, how it impacts people, and that's speaking from someone who's belongs to like


the middle class, upper middle class, I would ya I I I guess , and I just feel that, it something which I want to, if I could give my time and


uh effort invest my time and effort into something, for free there there would certainly with something, I would consider, oh, what's it about


yes, that is suggested in the name of the the title of the, documentary yup


, , I do think so yes, I do think so


, ya, but, I feel like the the documentaries are usually too short, uh they just highlight a lot of problems and issues to think about


but ultimately not very satisfying, uh because, ya that there are no that there there are no answers and there's no concrete action just like somebody, describing the problem to you, but that's not really that's only like one step of the problem uh of addressing the problem


uh because then you need to back that up with actual action right and with a like a concrete plan you know to to be doing something towards it, not just uh knowing about the problem that's just depressing is like you know about it, you know about global warming and like okay what do we what happens now we just watch it


uh watch our sea levels rise and, and temperatures go up and that's it what okay that's a bit, is it, oh okay sure


yup Saving Capitalism ya what I'm said about, as in to preserve it or to address the ills of capitalism like what's the, that's a bit of of a, that's an ambiguous title I think, yup, but I


ya deliberately sold right I mean it's probably a very multi faceted problem, follows


right, ya like those kind of discussions it feels like people are actually trying to, you do he just find out, uh maybe you want to


right okay actually how long more do we have, can you not say this kinds of things please okay we have about I think thirty minutes more, uh so if you can hold it until then maybe makes


maybe makes hold the door , hold door, yes I was I really want to continue watching , where I left off for for for Game-of-Thrones, I remember the scene it was when she finally Aria finally uh


brings herself to that, that , the faceless boy the the and she try to go inside or something, and the door finally opens, I don't know, I where you I don't know previously


yes I suppose they there's no chance it will be a, put on Netflix anytime soon right, definitely right right right, you think my sister has access to HbO TV, doubt it okay


ah yes, Amazon Prime right, right right right, right, ya so so I would like to


I would like to watch that , to to bring myself up to date to the latest, season before the finale (ppb) you know so that I can actually enjoy, I do I do I really do and and we wanted to watch you know the latest yup the Palace


wait have you finish it already oh you're so terrible as in you finish it or you got a, really, how when


exactly I don't know like how you, they there there there were a few like uh legitimate website I think called T E, oh Starhub Go, where how would I


okay I guess, right we still have the good wife, to finish and friends oh god, we are so slow


I can't believe that that show is only like midway through like how much right it's not even mid midway, like how much more can the story develop, it just like, really


really, oh right, right, right, actually read any spoilers yet no right neither have I exactly


colander think that the huge like story arc, yup, oh right Carie exactly, I really like his voice by the


way and it is very, ya his look fine that not withstanding, I like the way he talks, with this very in a very, ya in a very lazy manner I really like it


ya, no care in the world, I'm too cool for this then can I just, say that the air con is really cold, how are you immune to this,


oh I should tell you about some of the classes that I've attended actually have I told you about them already you have to, some, yeah , actually guy or girl is never ascertained whether he was a came from female or male origins


ya that's quite funny ya and I I swear okay happened like they were many fart, it was not just like one like, sleep you know, it just cat happening and it not, I I'm not sure lah but ya and it stop


for like a minute and it started again, ya it was funny okay I swear it was so funny I don't know why these funny thing keep happening in my life, ya it just hilarious, so I had to stop myself from laughing


uh and, ya that that was that was a yoga class, we are consistency contorting ourselves uh into like weird position, any it really really hurt, it really hurts, yes of course there're good stretches but because your muscles are stiff right


so when you stretch it naturally , ya hurts quite a bit of course the after effect is, sort of like a message you know a really good deep, tissue message, would hurt initially, but uh leave you with uh


leave you more relaxed uh and in a better condition, like maybe a while later, so so that's a the the one at Centerpoint, there's piloxing


the one at the office lobby it's really like body combat, yup is just lying there are so many other people watching you do the stuff, you look okay the the saving grace is that you are doing it with like, other people lah so they can't you can't be single up


for judgement ya all of them are free yeah HPB just different , under different labels if if, so so to speak, uh ya and mostly aunties I think they all work in that particular office building, what's your number of them along that stretch you know Serangoon avenue five


a north avenue five, yup so it's kind of like body combat but not as, intend, probably because these people are not exactly young, they you have to tailored


for the that particular audience, ya that was that was fight dual, it actually like real like name like that the, that's the term for that kind of workout, uh, ya it's not like, someone didn't didn't just like uh


call it that and ya they they actually following the particular, terminology, , piloxing is the class where like you can wear weighted gloves and like you sort of like ya ya so, it's a it's a particular kind of workup developed in the US


and they actually have special glove, to increase like the workup you know, uh you as in you buy your own you bring your own they don't supply it for you, no I don't I haven't bought it yet but it


is sort of like wearing weight on your arm and doing the exercises lah, is kind of running like uh running with weight, yup uh a lot of the the poses I think, lot the exercises are quite similar to to body combat and, pilates I guess that's why piloxing makes sense right


boxing and, uh then what else is there ah, , I attended another yoga stretch class, ya different place it's uh at Bugis I didn't really like it , I felt like there was more focus on the yoga poses rather than stretching but my main objective for going to this classes classes is is


stretch so I thought okay not not very suitable for me, what else did I go for HIP, uh tiring it's really really tiring, uh on Thursday yup but we'll be going for that for the first time because of you know the last Thursday we decided to eat


steamboat instead right so, so that's what we're going for in this coming week, yup actually it's just a lot of exercises uh you know they give you like uh thirty, second interval of workup with ten seconds rest


you know and then in different things lah, oh ya the the there was another one I went for a back to back class before the second one was call shake up, and it's quite similar, it just a fancy name for HIP I think, so you do a lot of I think what they call a pilo


metric exercises plyometric, where it it's not just like weights but uh, moving exactly and that, are trains your muscle fibers in the particular way


ah ya ya and then you are moving at the same time so for example instead of just doing a lunge, you do jumping lunches where you switch your leg position, so that's explosive movement, ya is very is high intensive okay lah I guess you need to have the correct posture


not really if you do it correct, ly so wear obviously wear like, sport shoes and stuff, and you can go at the level that you're you're comfortable with lah so you can, jump slowly but I think the facts of jumping alone , trains you in a different manner than if you did lunges just by themselves


it's a different, form of training I think which uh some may say is more efficient in, it's it's tiring definitely but very good for as a cross training option


so I'm starting to see where like why they decided to get the guava pass, cause I think it an important uh element, yes


yes, and these things are I I guess it would be, if you just really repeated it you know by yourself you to do, you tell yourself to do like fifty wraps today, exactly is when you're motive you are ready there


there's music there's an instructor like shouting stuff at you, everybody else is doing it then like okay lah to do it as well and that is, that helps you get into the, the mood ya for for for doing it lah


ya it kind of need like a holistic exercise regime, yes, it's an if more efficient weight loss strategy I think


and strength training, definitely definitely and I think stretching and cooling down is quite important as well, exactly uh so like uh foam rolling, it's, mayo face facial


mayo facial, ya really and so that even classes, for foam rolling, like classes specifically for you to just foam roll, yes, that's how much of a I don't know fat is


I usually I do it maybe about thirty minutes so I just like, uh Google a few of the standard exercise it's quite standard right I mean there are only, those many muscle groups that you need to foam roll and, the whole point of foam rolling you get into the position you just place your body weight


right that's that's pretty much it so ya I just follow some of it and then where is where where I feel like that's a muscle ache, developing or I really use that muscle then I just foam roll foam roll it lah


yes yes exactly it it a message, yes, so I guess you


oh so I take, I borrow my mum's mat, just just for the places where my uh limbs have to contact the the ground, or or rather some sometimes if I don't have the mat, then instead of uh


putting my entire weight like on a small portion of my body I may just sit down on the floor, yup and then just rest my my limb use, the limb weight itself instead of the whole, I feel like there I can still uh, the effects ya I can still


is still kind of like there's still an ache, which is the ache you you usually get, from normal foam rolling right, so as long as I can feel like there's pressure and there's a bit of like that that, pain


looking for ya then I feel like that that satisfies the, purpose of foam rolling already yup, so, yup, we we are working towards a more uh balanced kind of, yes that's quite important


prevent injuries I think, yes, yes, yes, to you


right


yup, but I think what helps uh is a combination of a, uh, combination of, remedies, like uh going for foot message maybe helps, uh stretching by yourself I know foam rolling


, you know general strength training and all that so that's why I think it's a good idea that we are uh, yes and good shoes, uh ya that be a, what do you, ya exploring these options yup


hi testing is that is that fine, good okay can sure, okay sorry we're talking about uh the, the exercise regime right ya oh another I think another important


aspect is uh having intervals, sorry it's fine, okay great uh intervals in in that uh you, uh as in you need to run in different, kind of conditions, not just uh in


not just like long distance all the time and the same distances and just, trying to improve that timing in in a one fix, distance kind of, , ya ya like uh how much effort you're exerting you know and the pace


uh the the amount of uh, ya I I guess, yup, Temple Runs you know uh different kind of terrains, like sometime incline you know things like that


why, in the dream, yup


okay


did it stay overcast


but that's still beats having, very hot weather consistently right, yup


yes, right, but might have a felt quite miserable, when you are carrying your fluid pack in the rain


at night, muddy waters, boots get wet, can't imagine, why


they have been through worse kinds of uh,


in the situation at the moment


, , yup, you were planning ongoing for a run if I guess the weather holds up


then I guess we can just chill at home, and you will run tomorrow instead, after a good dinner, , dinner


yes, tonight's dinner, ya, what kind of shoes running shoes, , eventually mine's kind of giving way already, like there's somewhere and tear


man I feel I could be getting better support and cushioning with another pair of shoes, yup, before no


I think is best not to make to many changes, before I run, it's a big change I would say, yup and ya I'm trying not to making, trying not the make things too complicated


about three week, starting from from now yup it in the middle of the October, so we are in the third week of September end of third week, there's one week more in September two weeks in October so that's three weeks in total


ya, socks, why, why did you need a suit don't you have one


yup, but it've been wearing that to court, okay, right, why don't you just get a new blazer is the blazer only right other like your pants your shirt


they are fine, so is just the blazer, okay, you know that's no way is going to be cheap unless you're going overseas to get it done


then, you need to either source for a cheaper tailor, I'll go back to lion I guess, which, is is not bad I think is it just on the higher end of


expensive, mid range, I think your problem is just that you have very strange yup measurement, so it's difficult to but for for someone like me I could just take the my existing shirts and get someone to replicate


the same measurements without any kind of problems, ya, I I know I think there are still there but I I mean every single time we go back there's


like uh an increase in prices something like that I wouldn't, ya wouldn't be surprise exactly I wouldn't be surprised at all if they have a, again, yup


so maybe should just get one good fitted like suit and, and uh like copied lah across yup and try not to get too fat, that that can be your template for life essentially


, , ya and it it's , you do need it for what


a few more years, and you needed for your all your occasions like the big occasions


actually, right I think your blazer, is you can buy one of the rack, which you did for your previous pair, is it that bad


but come on so many people buy clothes off the rack and people can tell that they are not uh bespoke but don't cares, you just like the pretentious staying you know that, it has to fit like perfectly or


as an interim measure


then no one can really tell, because it's way too expensive, ya, oh that's how much lasers off the rack cost


okay I guess


uh I'm I'm not sure if they are, who knows, ya okay we should, pay them a visit yeap


one of these days, we could walk there


no you could, it's not that bad I do that all the time you know like when let's say, the other day, when I was at Plaza Sing, and I needed to get to Bugis for my lesson right so I went to Plaza Sing to collect my phone first


cause, (ppb) between where and where, no the the reverse direction so, the what happened on that day is after the previous night where they closed, uh (ppb) after repairing my phone and I didn't have a loaner phone right


so I had to go back in the morning to pick it up, uh I went at around eleven then I, because it's still within the transfer window so I took a bus down to Bugis, and the funny thing about the Bugis area is that, taking a bus there


and back is a very different route I think it's the way that the the, the roads and constructed and it's not as simple as going across to the other side of the road, to walk to like some far like place lah far away bus stop just to take the same bus back so I looked at it


and it said okay it will take you about thirty minutes for four bus stops because you have to get to the bus stop, then you have to wait for the bus then you have you know , walk to from, the the Dhoby-Ghaut mrt bus stop back to Plaza Sing which is quite far away


so going there was simple coming was difficult, and I saw that the alternative was walking like maybe one point five KM, that's not very bad that's not too far, so I decided to walk, and it was scorching hot but uh the


there is this portion Bencoolen, Bencoolen uh mrt there's an underpass, where you just uh, uh you you come in from one entrance and then you'll exit at another


oh ya and, you're you have it like uh it's a shaded walkway lah for a long part and air con as well, ya one of them list out to S M U actually and the other two, one is at the end of some road and then the other one is at Hotel-Rendezvous exactly and then it's just the


somewhere on Bencoolen Street you know like previously like Kopitiam, uh was right then there's like you know further down then there's a whole row of construction, so the entire road has now been opened up and that's basically the the where


ya yes yes yes exactly, uh it's not not very far away but it's about one point five lah so I think one KM is totally walkable, ya I've never, I I don't know maybe because I I'm just fine with it


so if you would really want to go and, take a look, we could we could, but what what happen to your running plan, anyway don't you have to make a prior appointment for this things, so what are you going to go then which model are you looking at


okay


eat, as usual


okay, so if we finish up from here at around what time is it now, ya four thirty and we, we head down how long how long does a car testing take


, so you only want to see that one model, or you gonna make me look at, actually could you just do it yourself and I just go and hangout somewhere else


(hmm), , let me thing about it


, have no idea why this microphone right with this system the the the last one, right it doesn't really pick up what I'm saying, unless I get really close to it


really, okay, okay


actually I really pity the transcriber it's like, you listen to a benile, ya supposed to be meaningful lah but, I mean we I think my conversation is meaningful but


ya, what's spot the differences, oh, but we don't have two photographs to use, oh


they have it here, !wow! I think they are going to own me at this game, ya


between, yes the sign the sign, okay the the picture, oh the sign here smart, what else, sheep what do you mean by goats come on


the paper oh ya so fast oh this this the bowling the bowling pins, , oh pen this is the sack dude, they are having a potato sack race


we uh uh flowers flowers, oh right, Anna, palindrome, right uh what else apple on the


yes, they don't say how many differences there are in total, to spot, oh no I did not, !wow! that was just like in your face


yes, yeap, what else, oh, ya, nothing else


oh !wow! that's not a very, ya not not challenging at all, (ppb) but that's the only, spot the difference photo that we


yes the rest have like, words they look like official documents, unless you are supposed to spot the difference like proofread their documents for them and tell them the difference for that we have, compare check exactly a TV right why would you why would you bother with uh the human eye that's susceptible


to human error, ya, where where, oh no, uh looks red it looks red, you should you should


no lah put like something soothing on your, (ppb) come on this is nothing dude people have gone to work in worse conditions than this, oh you haven't been clearing them


maybe you should go home to do that, or you you do you have anything to do on Monday, oh you do already, prep for what, oh okay so you're probably should go to the email


, okay, I really really miss, drinking coffee, I guess, like ya but it's different , you know just


ya like having it in my own cup, and I, have as in bring it having it there and to start your morning and, , doing stuff clearing stuff you know as you


slowing drink your coffee I I is is the whole experience is not just, the coffee itself there's nothing special about the coffee, no it's different I think they just aura of productivity, like when you are


ya exactly and I think that really , makes you less uh, productive, that, ya, no motivation, shared the feeling ya because on some days I actually think I cover or I'm doing a lot more that I would have that


uh in a shorter span of time, so, yeah, I don't know, oh okay I I guess one of the things I miss is being able to strike something off your to do list


like you accomplish something right and then you sent it out or you submitted it and you would, you know, breathe a sigh of relief, ya and you take a sick of coffee I think that experience is quite,


, maybe


oh you're terrible, nobody can be fully productive like hundred percent all the time, and that is what that's the whole uh philosophy behind the Pomodoro Timer


that you need to have break in order to sustain that level of productivity, yup, yup so I don't follow it religiously I feel like it just, I use it as sort of a guide


a a a guideline where, anything between like plus minus three or five minutes of, is fine is just to to sat me down and for me for for something to tell me that okay now you have to, uh devote your your time and attention to this task


for you know substantial period of time and, you have a break soon so you know you work towards that and you just stay focus on this, this uh particular task, , it gives you


some discipline, if let say you had none before, yup and, ya lah it's better than, I I feel lah it makes it regulates uh your the pace which you do work


to to ensure that you don't to get burn or or whatever, so twenty five minutes, ya and then really woke up and work because that work you never really have


controllable time unless unless is a very big task lah like let say, you have to submit uh your first cut you know two weeks later then you really have time to work to it, cause sometimes when you have an urgent email you just have to reply it on the spot right you can't be like oh but I'm in I'm in the middle of you know this


five minute break so too bad you just have to it doesn't it doesn't work out that way lah, so I guess that's one problem with having such a a hectic, frenzy pace of work work, at the


yup, yup


in the, do you think it ever get better when you become more senior like you have more control over your time


actually I think in a sense it gets worse, yup as a senior you have more files going on at the same time, and you need to manage people, uh upwards and downwards


but you have to check, are you sure, I don't know I've heard lah horror stories, you know and I think personally


at least when you are delegating research, it can be quite, a varied experience


sometimes but some people just don't get it and, ya but that happens very often, and not really a skill you can teach without, being without it taking too much of your time


and, I don't know, and if if you have to do it yourself then ya, no no, real benefit from having delegated is not something which let say, you can easily pick up from where they left off


sorry, is this right, you know like let's say if you're building or you are, doing a jigsaw jigsaw puzzle that's probably that's easiest energy I could give you, let's say he does a shit job, uh in the sense that very little was done or his done it in a very patchwork kind of manner so he done like few islands and they're not connected


you can continue from there like, you don't have start from zero again wheres research is not so , eight, very, ya not a divisible task and where you can't just like patch up, the the errors in one place you know


uh you can't deal with it each part individually, exactly so you can't just continue off where they left off but you recut out this like wrong piles is not is not, as easy as that, you know it's a whole question you're answering it's uh the cases that you've looked at and the the


things you have read did you interpret it correctly you don't even know where the error is sometimes, but once you don't have an answer you start from sketch again, uh so I think that's the the ya, I would really, ya it is of delegating research I I think having good researchers is really


important for any team like, you need people actually know what they're doing, what did you mean


, , okay maybe it uh would appeal to certain types of people more than others


but even if you don't really like it I think you should have a baseline uh, ya competency in carrying on research task lah, right after all kind of your bread and butter, yup


yes I started to realize that a lot of people dread, research, even though I think is quite, well I always be hopeful that people there there were others out there who are ya


that yeah uh you see the thing is that they know is essential and they like the end product which is like winning, you know and being able to make slam dunk arguments but no one wants to put in the


the the effort to to work towards that, cause it's tiring I guess and, it in a sense, is like just combing to stuff lah, it's a bit like documentary review you just have to do it, and it just takes that amount of times it just takes that amount of effort and you just have to do it you know you've to click to all your


research results go ahead and do it and make sure you read everything cause you never know which hate is the one that if you miss, you you you you never get the keys right so, eventually I think they will be able to do


okay I guess if you have very well define parameters, such as like okay I want specifically this proposition okay then I guess it works, let say about what if you want something like a case which have similar facts, unless the judgement, recount it in exactly the same way it's


it's not possible they would have to be smart enough to draw the connection and machine learnt about, your, what you want you see and I think that's a bit difficult


!wah! that such a difficult question I mean we don't even have, like, we don't even know how it works, yup


yup, it feels like learning is a very human, ability right like yup and how did you teach a robot to emulate, a human uh innately human characteristic I do I'm not sure


task you know


is like drawing connection, which is like a very human thing to do but maybe not so, not not really observed outside like, human so how do we teach that to robots


interestingly we we previously thought that uh oh I think, commonly people don't think animals have that capability right of, , learning like, by, being smart in the sense that they can


learn beyond uh what you have taught them you know by influences or whatever, (ppb) so there there was this really smart dog it's a border collie and uh the, the dog has like this basket of toys like uh soft toys


and each of the soft toys has an assigned name like the owner writes it on the soft toy and the owner teaches the dog, the names of all the soft toys, so it the the the dog is smart enough that uh let's say if you tell him, go and pick up then you'll


name the toy you want he can actually retrieve the correct toy out of a basket of like more than a hundred toys, really smart, so what they tried to do with him is that first they tested lah whether a not he really knows that, it what uh as in really associates the name each toy with their


unique name and so like you know this guy took like you know a bunch of like toys at random, didn't show the owner and then went out lah and the dog managed to retrieve it correctly, (ppb) then they tried a second uh uh experiment, where they put into the mix of toys uh this toy which the dog has never seen before and give it an arbitrary name


and they repeated the same experiment and this time so there's only one toy in the basket that he doesn't recognize, repeated it and called out the name of the toy which, was new, the new toy with the new name and surprisingly the the border collie collie managed to get it correct


by process of eliminating all the other options realizing that eh no I know this toy, I know the toy's name it's not this name and then he goes down the list and he realizes that oh there's only one odd one out, so this must be the new, ya, super smart


that is impressive right so I think maybe that's like, I I mean how you write a code like that if you, uh come across something that you've never learnt before you know it's probably the new thing which you're now uh observing I mean and that how how do you write that into our program I'm not sure


but ya I'm sure eventually they they will get there, that that was quite impressive I I thought uh the dog was really really smart it's like really learning by itself, cool right cool right ya so dogs are very trainable uh creatures


, well, I don't know, think that's possible, I don't think so


, , yes yes and it is a the average level of dot intelligence then, yeah it's not (ppb)


below average the bottom ya I feel very mean, fixing like dog here are we almost done, oh is it, okay so should we call him in


because he doesn't come in very frequency right so maybe we should call him, yes please do thanks


okay thank you, okay this is a card game called, small talk, ya so we I am supposed to pick one and then we, talk about the topic


ya can can you can try all the sales, I see, oh wait I am not supposed to laugh into the mic


okay next speak your next one, ya, ya boring okay next one, okay, race religion sexual or politic


what, politic, okay (ppb), Capitalist what value did you bring to other people life


laughter and a whole of joy, wait but we can actually talk, I think it is ya but we we've, we absolutely no instruction though, so we have no idea how we play it


oh okay okay, no but I think we can talk about more uh, Monday stuff first, such as whether we want to go with the hotel stay


it's important, so I've emailed them and they said uh that the hotel bookings all full, except for the thirtier which is the Sunday, so you check in on Sunday check out on Monday morning


Monday noon lah, twelve noon, breakfast not included, alternatively you could pay, I can't remember I think is around two plus or three, let me just take a brief look


but there's no need to, that one need to okay so the check in time is two PM onwards, ya, pantry


ya, oh okay, ya, yup uh


yeah I didn't book, okay but anyway so the the other alternative is that if you go for the twenty eighth to or twenty ninth, that means the Saturday book out, and check out on Sunday, you gotta pay thirty dollars extra, (ppc), for a deluxe room


so they give you a bigger room, a more, ya supposedly more benefits lah, breakfast is twenty plus plus per room, uh not for our purposes I went to check I I think the only benefit is that it gives you a phone with internet access


which is completely irrelevant to us ya, yeah, actually I'm not fast even if we don't do we don't go lah, what, yeah, but I think you were not fast that's why I didn't act


but did you but did you want to go a not if you want I don't mind, okay then I'll pay the thirty dollars extra for the deluxe, but it's okay what, it's a nicer room


on the following morning ya bring my work stuff and then I go to work from there, Novena to Chinatown relatively lah


I think it's Novena, no no no that's Park Hotel this is, Oasia Novena, which is, at Velocity, you know, I


oh ya maybe, ya I could try, I could try that, ya, in paying extra lah, okay sure, okay, okay let's do the Sunday then


okay secondly right , I I could earn a half day, because, uh the the AG card, sports competition, so there's there's this sports competition that uh is between the AG and the


other members of the criminal bar, they play soccer and they play netball at Jalan-Besar stadium, and I've been, ya ya and I've been asked to go and take photos, ya and if I do then I earn half day leave lah


ya ya so I have a a lot of half days to take lah, uh but the question is whether I should reject the invitation to take the photographs for them, what do you think, I don't know, Friday this Friday


evening, I think is five to around five thirty, there is a bus that takes us from office, to, Stadium, take about nine


ya I I suppose I I would have to, send in the photos, ya I I I thought about that


exactly, so I thought about that, but then that will mean, so Friday no it's fine what speak only English Singlish is English, is it not, nevermind, I think it's fine


I think so I'm not sure


there are I remember that there's, something else, but I can't remember, never mind, no no that's why I am bringing I I mistook the


I mistook the, the available date, oh but then, the difficulty is that I will, I was planning to have dinner with my parents on Friday, this coming Friday ya


my mum is on ya is on leave on Friday, so I I don't know, how, the other alternative date is, she can't, so is either so she is off on Friday and Sunday


Sunday she is attending the ROM, of her, younger sister, second marriage


ya second marriage so apparently the arrangement is, they divorce a long long time ago like maybe like fifteen twenty years ago, ya so so but and she is living with this other this man, actually the man took her and the whole family in


lah into his house, ya so they all living there, and he is like the father figure to the kids lah, ya they don't have kids, I have no clue when he is I have I have not seen him since I was


kid, pretty much a joke lah, oh yeah, I think so, ya I I think they are


I think they are, I typically don't attend the, this event of, so like ya my maternal ah relative side lah, only Chinese New Year so like I I didn't go for the wedding so my cousin


the baby shower and all that I, skip all of those, by the way, no it's just very far away and I think, ya is all the way at Pasir Ris


isn't that far, lame, ya, no lah, can't we speak Singlish ah, so lah and all that it's fine right okay you can check


classical music, ya ya probably, but this is a pretty strange uh, location right, in general


probably like startups, oh ya, that's true is fairly near the, MRT also


see that's a thing I don't know if you would be just count the but anyway, whatever, yup, oh ya I don't know eh I just don't feel not okay that's really an excuse lah


I guess I just don't really feel very close to the people the, ya so a bit, reluctant to go there and then like try to make small talk, actually they are all similar in each to me so might might


ya my cousin is my age, then but she's ya she's so she's married to a Malay dude and they have a kid, or two kids I don't know, then ah I have one cousin who's older than me and two younger one


but I just like have no real, interest in talk to them I guess, I don't why is so like I don't know what to says, ya very different social circle


no as okay I I I kind of agree but I think the disparity is not so vast, between your side and mine lah, so I mean you and Ruff and this, can talk about quite a lot of things like how work and travel and everything


ya whereas on, questions, are you bored, by those questions


you know what I am think, I think at some point in time somebody gonna has to listen to all this thing and, transcript it, which is exactly what we did ya, it's not bad, will have to be eclipses


ya, like, three dot, or weird names like, Sharapova, Tchaikovsky, yes


oh yes, googling


yes but do you think that's going to be harder, oh yes, no no but what you think is harder say because for bbc video that there's only one person speaking


clearly right the rule of our project said that we can only take turn to speak, but, we have, on many many occasions I've noticed, spoke at the same time, so I don't know what the person is going to do


ya, do take turn, to speak take turn to speak, I know what we can talk about, you know what we can talk about, can talk about classical music, Tchaikovsky, and Buck


Rachmaninoff indeed who on earth is that it sounds like Romanoff the, that's, not that, black widow, agent Romanoff, yes, I think we going to Russian history now talk about the claims land the predecessor of


Trump, and Putin uh oh wait did I just say Trump oh wait that shit into politic no I can't we can't go there, ya


ya know that's not it is unartificial why not, you know why not we, what not we just read a bbc article to the person, who's going to transcript this so that, and they can just copy, WWW dot BBC dot com slash


, tiny URL dot com slash, and then the person, yes but nah we not gonna do that, I am sorry I think it's against the rules


ya so should to , no I've actually done this uh transcribing kind of thing twice, so once with this with this company right and another time with a, I think that was when you were in doing OCIP in Cambodia or something


first year of uni so I worked at uh somewhere in Harbourfront, where I was, transcribing court proceedings, remember that ya it was literally, district court proceedings, criminal


and using words like trunch of the trial, and strange words like the and I at that point of time I remember, absolutely not I hated it, hated every second of it cause it was, difficult to to understand but


I do recognize the voices of the interpreters, so now as I go to court I'm like oh, I've heard this, people speak before, ya, cause some of them are very strange or rather distinct uh intonations in the words


(ppb) they use, both, ya, so it's quite interesting, what


what you mean


right, and I bet you the person will be thinking what in the freaking world is an SE dorm so


yes M-BTID Myers-Briggs, key something I have no idea, something indicator (ppc), so good luck with that ya, uh, I'm not sure if we are like actually breaking the rules but


I don't know, okay lah there there isn't lah, no because we need to create a meaningful conversation


notes to note and we're not supposed to read, the, instructions pasted on the wall, no but let's talk, about what it means to have a meaningful conversation


but there is, you're like the, ya okay fine so what do you want to do in lifr


those are such boring questions, more aspirational, what drives me Annabelle drives me


(ppc), quite literally, oh, honestly I have no idea, I vacillate between, uh, a large part a large part ya I vacillate between uh


ideals of uh, serving the greater good and, just, waiting for my next paycheck, yeah, you you just have to do a


ya and that's the threat of not getting your next paycheck, I mean it it really depends what


yes of course I do I I I really do care about them and I I, you know, I think I do my best, as much as I can, for every single case that I handle because I think that's, only my duty lah, and that's


minimally what is required of me, yes I think so, maybe not as good as the alternative, but


I'm, comfortable I guess, ya ya ya of course


definitely it's a really good place, ya ya I I would I would say it's a really good place to work the work may not always be fun but I think the people there, help to make it uh a little bit less, dreadful


of course of course, yes I I I I largely think so ya, and, ya


there's quite I mean barring some, individuals selected individuals it's largely very uh, team spirited so people do, sacrifice, for the greater good like of the team


yes, ya, so I think that's the, ya


ya so that's I I suppose, ya so that's the very big, advantage I suppose of me, where I am as compared, elsewhere lah, because, ya


because I think that's how we would train, even the bosses do their own stuff, it's not a you feed me the information, most of them actually take the time to read


the source materials for themselves, come out with their own ideas


I guess, ya I think that's okay it might be a mix bag in in a sense that they are, one or two, abnormalies but by and large most of the people take charge


and take ownership of the work that they do even up to the bosses level, because ultimately, they are also still accountable to someone else above them, ya so I think that's where the sense of accountability, you know comes in lah


whereas in private I suppose when you are now, at the level where you can make decisions the only person you need to justified, is the client, and the client won't know what you don't know, what you say in court


oh yes, no but you lets go to you, ya that's something for you to answer (ppc) yup, ya


so what do you think, let me guess, a sense of belonging


a sense of meaning, that that very true


like National Service, like National Service, okay but anyway that's besides the point, no must be, I think we might shade into questions of politics or controversy, so let's not go there


yes, okay


so because it has to be a balance of both right, you can't be sweeping floors, in a team of ten, so in practical terms what


is a job that you may find meaning into in, externally, ya so so


so like finance


abstract, too distant from the human being involved, because if the corporation doesn't rake


so when you're view so what what do you think about yourself like, what kind of jobs would you


the search for the truth


but on the other hand, investigation work largely in, (ppc) ya uh, I mean on the other hand investigation would largely involves, dealing with people face to face and that's something ya I think you won't like about it


interviews for example, you have to, sit them down you would have to and in some form, try to get answers out of them which they otherwise might not want to give you, so and you may actually have to go around knocking on doors and and


asking questions of strangers, so that's one think I think it, it may largely turn you off, no no no no no (ppc) no, no okay I mean it really depends on what kinda investigation work you're doing


if you wanna do, general policing work, uh like, so more like the white collar crimes kind of thing, but so in those cases there is probably a lot less knocking on doors


as there is uh, ya so like searching for a needle in a haystack of documents ya


ya but I suppose that would be multiplied by a thousand times because none of the documents that you would receive are, going to be as well organised lah, yeah, so I think, maybe on a a career in, uh, commercial affairs investigation might be suitable for you


policy work, policy work what kinda policy work, mean law, alternatively you could help banks investigate fraud internally


suspicious transactions


am suppose when you start mumbling it's a little bit too soft to for the recordings, onboarding


but but those kinds are, I don't know it seems like largely, very superficial kind of analysis, ya, is your money related to terrorism


what about going back to, on a short term lah I supposed, you know actually I think is it is really not difficult to find something like that


speak to a few, recruiters I am sure they have access to all this information


ya so I suppose once you feel that you are ready you can just contact the field recruiters, as in I don't I I think it will be fairly simple for you to get a short term, uh while you, ya while you I suppose go on with your other plan to do the


CFA and all that and then after that I suppose, that six months will give you some perspective on whether this is for you, your cup of tea or something lah


of course, I mean it will definitely help if


with uh yeah I mean you will have added perspective even if you decide eventually to go back to litigation, but but maybe let's talk about that, do you think, that, why no but, no no but


the final question no no, no no no the final question is, do you think a career in litigation is suitable for you


yes, probably due to the arbitration slash uh SICC kind of cases, opens up more room for international firms to operate into Singapore legal environment, oh definitely we are much cheaper ya we are much cheaper and


comparable if not better, but that's about it, I think we we uh a large part of us a lot of us tend to be a lot more


methodical and analytical in the issues rather than relying on your style and your, uh the gift of the gap to try and get, your way, maybe you could try that, maybe the international firm, litigation environment works differently maybe you might


you might uh foster a greater sense of belonging there who knows, and I think with your credentials I don't think there should be an issue getting a place there only if you, apply, choose


ya I guess that's that's quite true, I guess first need to, ya first need to know what, interests you and what you wish, to do before


oh I see a topic here that's interesting, yes brilliant, so let's talk about car


and you trying to tell me not to buy a car


so that's my you so yeah, so you see that's the problem it's still up in the air uh my dad's future plan, because, he's still recovering, ya and won't be able to be in a position to work


until maybe another one to two month, oh then definitely will go back to doing what they want they were doing previously, no lah of course not lah the whole idea of a heart bypass is, to allow you to go back to


life, before even better, than yeah, yes, which are actually not very long


and I think it would be beneficial to them, so so I think in in that regard, uh that's likely to be the long term plan because I don't think it's feasible for my dad to continue doing this, private hire thing ya


it's not super profitable these days, unless of course you have a new player, then it comes into the market, yeah, so when they eventually do come in I mean my dad, go drink and ride yup, so


so but, but that's the thing you see if, okay I guess what would make it easier is if we pay cash, for the car, and you just register, for now as a non


commercial, so if you register as a non commercial all you need to do to register it as a commercial is to pay a hundred dollars admin fee, uh and then of course pay the, slightly higher insurance, money lah


, so that would actually, bring the cost down by quite a lot, uh operating cost, and if it does go back to the the old days of you know doing the, the the sending stuff around


then you could buy a small car, which would be more fuel efficient, which will allow you to in turn save on your petrol cost, cause right I've been monitoring the petrol costs quite high, it's like thirty dollars a day, it's not cheap


so, cost savings, will come in two forms right first the, the amount you pay for the car itself, secondly the operating cost of the car, and and I suppose, that yes where we we have to get back to the calculator lah


right arm, because I think paying a thousand two hundred and eighty dollars a month on rental alone, is exorbitant, I could, buy a car on my own I could rent the car to my dad, and collect one two eight zero and I will break even the car cost within a few years


so so that's that's the thing and then, the added benefit of having a more fuel efficient car is of course lower petrol cost, so for example if I buy a hybrid car, I I would expect uh petrol cost to go down by maybe two third


because uh I mean based on paper, it is thirty four, KM per liter base on paper the current car he's driving is about ten, so even if you take, you you know you discount paper value you roughly can


uh realise that it's it's definitely gonna be you know, uh about two two times more lah ya, so so that that cuts cost by a least uh, couple of hundred a month so if I spend thirty dollars a day, uh seven days


okay so I I save twenty dollars a day, and I save six hundred dollars a month, so that's quite a lot of month, but the problem of course is whether you have the initial capital to pay cash


it's likely to be around the regional seventy something thousand, which is not cheap, cash ya, that's not cheap even the cheapest one that is like sixty plus


I suppose so ya, ya, I suppose that would not be too difficult lah, the other alternative is that the car could be registered in my name, and I could take a loan


so and some point and and currently loan rates are quite low, two percent per annum for example there are some that even to go one point nine percent, per annum which is very very attractive, interest rates , to a thousand more end


and one point nine percent I is suppose is, still cheaper than, three percent interest compounded, right, so the money I could keep in my account, and earn a three percent interest rates and still


ya I mean ya, the insurance will be higher, because I am a male first car owner, new car, and uh ya so that's, and I'm under the age of thirty lah


so it's likely going to be much higher then if my dad drives to car, and and, it's registered under his name, ya so that's, that's some complication right there, uh so, I don't know


quite complicated, is it, so here, ya so here when you need to exercise your analytical skill right because that is something you need


in the future, so you could do up an Excel table you could work on my existing car calculator, and a, and, and uh you know come out with something refine the formula


it really depend you know, it might at at some point on time you have to put a trigger because, you don't know how low it will go, you may think that you go low and then for example


I think, the downward trend should probably stop by November, my guess lah but I I I am really not sure because this thing you really don't know, and nobody can explain like for example how how do you explain the fact that the series prices for cat A car drop to twenty thousand


it's really difficult but with this drop you know that the next round series will be higher, it will go back to thirty thirty two, and then uh it will continue a downward trend, but we don't know at what point it will stop, and you will go back is like kind of like a stock market you know


ya I I I don't think there is a need to rush into it lah


consider all factors, ya okay, influent the decision


that's true, but on the other hands that, ya


objectivity yeap, I mean the other alternative is to buy a used, the worrying thing is that with used cars you never really, going to know, what you getting, there are time


so I have had, people who have gotten used cars which are in tip top perfect, but then there are some who got lemon, or some are not not really lemons but, cars start to break down after the warranty period, six months and you spend a large amount of money trying to


remedy the problems, so so those are the things that, are also a large track shoot, and if you are gonna get the car for a longer time and if you have the cash, I think it's much better to just buy a brand new, because if you look at


in terms of depreciation right and how much money effectively you spend per month, uh or per year, uh, it's definitely cheaper to buy a new car now, even the cheapest, old car will be, not so


yes, yeah, (ppc), the alternative is then


I take over the car ya, or I just retain it for him to drive ah, in five years maybe I think I will in a position to finance the car


like renovation cost, that's true, I mean I could afford it it's just that if I do it it will be almost emptying my


my kitty in a way yeah, difficult decisions eh, ya, oh well, anyway moving on, think we've uh


will what what what what, no my phone dropped I'm sorry, what is the question


too philosophical why don't you answer that question first, that question you ask me, ya ya


how regular is regular, I mean then those are obviously not your friend


no I'm just trying to think of examples, no no no I'm just trying to think of examples of people who are, like hikes, ya, on holidays


the one person I can think of is sadly speaking no longer your friend, Amanda, she's the kind that will go hiking in the French uh Outback, I would just, sit somewhere and eat and drink


yeah, because of some other girl


because I never take enough effort to try and, get through the misunderstanding, which, I must say that uh your, no your miss Leong has tried to do that


with what, okay


of course


so like ZP for example, she is not somebody you talk to on a regular basis but how do you feel so okay with that, ya but how, but why you've, on average met miss Leong a lot more than her


is it because she takes the initiative to ask you out to meet


even though she doesn't really spend enough time with you, oh like meet you only couple of months


very


I don't know (ppc), no, no


well I suppose that could be one of them uh actually I don't know, no I I I, there are some people that I'm comfortable with some I'm not I I


but comfortable with, but comfortable with doesn't mean that I like, being with them you see, I have no idea honestly, that's my problem right I'm not introspective


hardly ever think about the issues, that are important, but then if I'd be thinking then we'd not be talking


what does that mean, has to be a perfect world lah everything bothers you, even the way you drive


the way you order food, the way you, sell stuff on Carousell


at in the moment, at the moment you are very very intense very, so I don't know


isn't this frivolous are we talking about frivolous thing, so what part of the conversation just now was not frivolous


cars, was frivolous or not frivolous, we can't be friend, what else


but aren't those topics very, common and easy to talk about, maybe you should initiate, and then look at the, the response to see whether they are interested about that


I think it's a problem with your feelings, ya roughly, maybe, when you are assured that the other person is not bored by you lah


but are those


but are, no but are those, but are those, but are those conversations meaningful to you, conversations you typically have in a group setting


ya, but but but


do you need to find friends in a focus group discussion, that's that's the only time when people would actually talk about serious, in most cases when in friendship what what would they talk about oh what did you eat what's the nicest, this and that what do I see on my travels


ya and you also need to stop interrupting me when I speak because we still need to take turns, good, ya okay you can continue that's empty, then what what would you have in a group conversation everybody goes share your feelings about


I know what you need, you need a cell group, ya like the kind in church where they talk about the Bible and stuff like that, uh religion nope no religion but no no no we're not on the topic of religion


the mention of a, the Bible is merely peripheral to the main point of the conversation, which is really that you need, uh at, a structured environment where people, engage intellectually lah


therapy alcoholics anonymous, think you need to go that kind of


okay, compatibility in a one to one


so then I think, so I think, the plan is to just, use the mechanism of one to one setting, and talking about the issues you wanna talk about to read out the friends


so you go to a one to one setting and you talk, about the stuff that interest you, and you find out that these people are really bored, then you know that, one less person you should spend more time with lah, in a way because then you you know that


this is not going to lead to what you think is a fulfilling or meaningful friendship, then you just, like invest your time in others, in other friendships lor, and go for more one to one talks I suppose, so like for example when you met what's her name Olivia


what did y'all talk about, why, you see then you you no you see so that's the thing, so that's the thing you I think you've got to should stop doing that cause if you do that you'll never be able to engage in things you'll find meaningful what


I think conversations need to be prompted and steered in a particular direction because, unless you meet a person who is just, super willing and happy to talk about those conversations and doesn't really care what other people think, you're likely to meet a mirror image of yourself who will think that oh


I am uh interested in topic A but I think the other person is not interested in topic A so I'm not gonna talk, about topic A and instead lets ask person to talk about herself, right, so so maybe the trick is really to to try and engage in these kinds of topic


and that's how then you will learn


because those are not the people that you want to be friends with, but then the other question is have you observe many many dinner conversations no right, and I think it's probably fair to say that, uh people who wish or really like to engage in very


deep topics at dinner are rare breed, I think you should talk to uh Andrew Pang, uh ya


yes, what do you mean by whatever, so love at first sight have you had that kind of have you had that kind of feeling with anyone you've met before


exactly, ya maybe you should try oh maybe we should uh do it, when we go to Vatos, cause you like Vatos what then we could


no at some point in time lah, why, it's like what we do with, uh, Mister and Missus Lim, the same what


may ya maybe we should we should uh ask, not yet but I will uh later after this conversation, and then Mister and Missus Ong, CK


!aiya!, almost lah, that's true but that's cause she's probably work, maybe she just doesn't like, whatever not like I like her very much


do we actually get a pee break I think we do right max ten minute


no I don't, I have, it's half full, or half empty, , so let's talk about the glass is that half full or half empty


(ppc), oh the one topic, Holy Grail, make up slash skin care, , (ppc)


okay great moving on


, I have no idea actually, nope, no I'm not


no I'm not no (ppc), nah, nah too cold


eat a one thousand dollar degustation menu, maybe, eat a three Michelin star restaurant where I can order every single thing on the menu for free, then eat a bite of everything lah


haven't seen Michelin star restaurant, three Michelin star restaurants have food the size of your thumb, that's why it's on the bucket list


no, no but I generally am quite content, with my


I feel like if I die right now I I won't have that many regrets, not really


ya okay that will be fun, no, like a sport car and just, go as fast as I can, just for fun ya, maybe, but but this is not something that if I


ya maybe, maybe if not okay if I would have to jump off something I'd probably do it uh, skyiving style, but that that uh you see those things are like fun and nice to do but I wouldn't, put them on my bucket list it's not something that


I would regret not doing, (ppc) oh, as in excuse and not as you as told the, as wait what's that word extol


extol the virtues of eating meat, instead of veganism, maybe, ya, ya that's true that's true


so I think that's my problem right it it haven't really been the priority for me, I think I am good ya I think I am good, I was what what about you what is on your bucket


really, why, what is the cat thing with


so how do you know they won't kill each other in the shelter, in your shelter


do you want to have a, do you want to operate it or you just want to open it and someone operate it for you, but the idea of doing something is like the idea of owning a dog, but your mom doing all the work


now lah, now, so


so owning a so, starting a cat centre, so mean the bucket list well okay, bucket list


something you want to do before you die, and if you don't do it you you feel a sense of regret, really, then why you not working towards that


ya so maybe then you should be, then maybe you should be doing a high paying job that you may not necessarily like so that, like


oh no you earn so much money and you invest and like, ten years later you rely on your dividends and your investment, (ppc), I don't know, !wah! but really ah those things are on your, do you find that it's strange that I don't have anything on my bucket list


so it's outward, facing ya, for me it's all inward I'm just selfish little, prick, I focus largely or almost exclusively on my own, feelings and my own satisfaction, (ppc)


that's that's, a very nice way of putting selfishness


that's true, quite smart


because you will be asking what does everyone else want, that's true


that's that's also, also true, yes, maybe we should meet them soon, when was the last time we saw them, August, ya that's quite late


maybe we should do the, hotel on Sunday and invite them over to, no, but wait before that I should proceed to book the hotel for Sunday lah


no breakfast right, okay oh a side note there's a Liverpool match tonight at ten, against Southampton


uh ya I don't think it's the oh shit, I accidentally deleted the email but I have managed to recover it, okay great, okay


ya, really, but it's like


but what is the point of a bucket list, where do we go from here, like what happens after you die what what happens with these feelings when you die you know, so what if you die with regret


if you for example subscribe to the view that everything is, nothing when you die, then the fact that you have regretted means absolutely nothing in the very instant that you die, right


so maybe the best kind of die if you subscribe to those views, is one that is instantaneous and which you cannot predict, right you die in the car accident almost instantly or you get shot in the head almost instantly and you can't, even prepare


yourself for it, that's probably the best way to die for somebody who subscribes to the view that there is, ya, so it's good to have heart attack, don't be fat and die in your sleep


probably, then kill yourself, no but kill you can't kill yourself cause, you would in the instant before you die probably feel some sense of regret but which


may not actually mean anything, uh difficult question what is the it comes back to the question of meaning eh what is the meaning of life, and back to the question of what is a meaningful conversation, see everything stems from that very important question


philosophical some might call it religious but it doesn't have to be religious, it could be a question of, philosophy, and you who are transcribing this what is the meaning of your life, why are you sitting in front of a computer and trying to


whatever it is I'm saying, or her, existential crisis, no but it's an important question for you think about because if you don't know then


then why are you living your life


kind of like me, but even at some point in time I will start to consider, what what am I doing this and to what end is my pleasure, yeah, ya I'm like a goldfish in that respect


maybe a blessing in disguise, some might say, then why are you living your life so you are not living it to the fullest potential and to which the comeback will be, so what, if I'm not


hedonism is, all that is needed like you see people will say eh you can't just live, for the moment you can't just live for instant gratification, but what if I tell you that I can have instant gratification my whole life, I'm instantly gratified my whole life and in the instant where I die


I die lah, maybe that's one way to live life, don't know, because, right, and then there would be nothing that that, forces you to be good at what you do, it


uh furthers the, the end of, seeking greater gratification, so that that could be a reason for, I don't know, so yes something worth, pondering about you who are typing this


oh nothing


nothing (ppc), no, so whatever who cares, five years from now who cares what's the


state of your degree right, I don't know, what would I have done differently I really have no clue, ya


or at least I'm not introspective enough to think of it, like, so (ppc), ah, no but you see those things mean, very little in the grand scheme of things


what what what about you, what is one thing you want to change slightly different thing, slightly different subject, ya probably took a lot away from you, yup


the entire trip actually, turn that point on oh it's okay we can go back


oh okay, where instead would you have gone to Drew, and and I mean you mean quitting in three months the the outcome may, the outcome may have actually been the same


right, (ppc), yeah


no but you can't, no but you can't there's no such thing as, ceteris paribus ya, and you may not like what you what you see


or something you wished would have worked out differently, and that may have been a better question, or worked out for the better, pro bono it says pro bono


watching movies, eating free food, what is what is your answer


no what social causes is the more


upper middle class


maybe we should watch the documentary called inequality for all, it's about inequality, uh,


well it's a documentary, that follows the former US labour secretary, as he looks to raise awareness of the country's widening economic gap, similar questions lah similar, uh


documentaries include, uh titles like, Saving Capitalism, and things like that, I guess those are stuff that you would, be, interested in you think


right, you do or don't, ya let let's try and find it I I think it's available on Netflix, let's uh take a look, yeah, should be should be fun and interesting I guess


as in that they don't give you answers, okay


but but maybe that's not the whole point of a documentary right documentary I don't know, well there's this other one called Saving Capitalism, I don't know


good question I I probably have to Google that ya, I and I think deliberately so, (ppc), ya, and is a documentary film that follows


uh as he takes his book and his views at the heart of conservative America, to speak about our economic system and present big ideas for how to fix it


oh so it actually fulfils your, requirement of like trying to provide a solution, right, ya maybe I suppose we could watch that


okay I actually do need to pee, yeah, uh well okay fine nevermind we'll just continue, I will just uh I will just do it here there's a bottle right, yeah


no why why, shh , it's about yeah, hold it, hold door oh speaking of which


which is where I don't know, oh the faceless void, ya, that problem is where do you watch where can you watch it I have no idea


HBO I suppose you could buy a subscription


no no completely different companies so they they definitely won't have Game of Thrones on Netflix, I doubt it, cause HBO is largely American thing, !huh! so even her subscription is Netflix UK and then Amazon Prime UK, yup so


ya so but I suppose we can probably can a solution lah


I think you have time for that now, the Palace show, you should go and watch episode one while you are in the toilet or something, I have watched the first episode ya, finished first episode


uh one morning when I woke up, and you were still sleeping and I was Googling and trying to find the good website


Starhub Go, I don't know but I'll find it, ya but that that looks interesting no then then the terrible we have like too many things to watch


we are only on season three, terrible, that's terrible, it's not even midway you know, seven seven seasons eh


actually a lot, I think the way with the way it's run it's so much more, scope for development, Alicia Florrick maybe rising up the ranks to become partner, and her struggles of managing her firm


or maybe going to a different firm, or Peter Floyd trying to run for governor, and the then the controversies, no, I have no idea how this whole thing will turn out, uh about the relationship between the two of them whether they get back together eventually


, interaction between, them and Eli Gold, how the firm will function with him inside in the lack of resources, not that so ya


ya that can be that can be pursued, her backstory for example, Terry for example where does he end up, (ppc) right, ya and he's got the arrogant look


slightly raspy, ya ya ya, quite kind of laid back uh ya


the aircon is extremely cold why don't you move in closer to the one behind the the cupboard, I don't know, got more fats I suppose one good, reason for having fat, yeah


yes, some, eh eh no you talked you talked about the one where the guy was farting, ya oh ya we we don't know, ya


how are you so sure it came from the same person


damn the guy must have had a lot of, baked beans or something for for dinner or lunch or whatever


fill in, but are they good stretches


the one in the office lobby (ppc), looks strange


this is the free HPB one right


oh, most important question to the gloves thing


oh oh, so you have your own gloves


different one


use that stretch, how was that, isn't that the one we are going for isn't that the same similar


oh you did oh okay, just as well lah


oh ya okay, moving with the weights right (ppc), like kettle bell lifting


yah, those are like, quite high intensity in, pain on knees right


ah, I see


so tiring


and after a while running gets boring, and also because you can't run too, I should probably go and


it's boring it's something you have to do with a group


the mood, and I I guess I ya I really need to start working on, building strength, cause otherwise it, maintaining weak, because if you


ya and if you build muscles, burn more, calories even when you are rest, which allows me to eat more, it's a bit of both lah I got to do both cardio and


and yeah this is some this is a very important thing that people always overlook, myofascial release, (ppc)


really, !wow!, so how much did you foam roll, the other night how did you know what to, googling


it's kinda like getting somebody to massage you, so people with a lot of self discipline because like if if someone massages you it hurts and you grit your teeth, but whereas if you do your own foam rolling if it hurts you may just stop


but how do you, foam roll on the floor, isn't it painful like when you, rest your elbows and all that, okay ya that's standard, you put your, ah okay okay ya that makes more sense


oh okay, but then that's not as effective, feel the effects lah, not as much but good enough


looking for I think that's that's good enough lah


that's ya I think I should, fitness machine, oh ya I I think adequate stretching really helps especially if you run a lot


and especially if you have uh weird, gate running gate, like me, ya so I am a, what they call an overpronator, that's somebody who


has flat feet, so the foot arches collapse, uh every during the gait, cycle so when you run, the the outer soles and the arches of your feet, are actually designed to take up to three times your body weight


so that uh, when you when run you know your, the rest of your body doesn't, doesn't feel the, ya the rest of your body doesn't feel the the, force I suppose or the impact because


when you land on the ground and the the the forces will go up you know your knees your thighs your back, affects a whole spectrum of, of a different body parts lah, but they all starts at the feet, so I need to, uh I suppose when I run uh my other muscles you know the human body is a very complex thing


and the muscles will try to compensate so I get aches in strange places like here and all that, find it quite hard to stretch I need a good massage


stretching now, and good shoes


hello testing, oh okay ya I think we can


you mean like variation ah, oh okay, so like a good mix of EV runs and, intense runs and tempo runs and all that lah


, oh ya yesterday's run was terrible, I was very tired because I had, very uh steep inclines, and the route no I didn't go to the gym I ran uh on this track


around that camp, ya so there were very steep inclines multiple inclines like, four or five ups and downs, so that are very very tiring, uh each round is about one plus close to two KM


ya so I was dying on some some aspects ya I was running alone lah, ya it was quite quite interesting I ran around uh, elevenish close to twelve, so I was very fortunate cause I was gonna wait till the gym, opens at twelve


uh but, uh, then I had nothing to do in the interim, so I did some of my static exercises and after everything was done I decided ah you know what the, sky looks quite overcast, so I decided I just go ahead and run, so I went outside lah


it stopped uh, like shortly after I was done, the sun came back up, but it was never really the super hot and sunny day lah, ya because I think, it was rainy largely rainy the whole day


until evening, which is the typical of the weather in the past week, ya so a lot of activities got halted because of the rain, super hot weather


ya I I I'd rather do that than uh thirty four degrees any day lah, cause in the couple of weeks before that, you know the weather was extremely hot, temperature was souring so I think, better to have this then


than that lah I mean nobody is complaining that uh some activities got cancelled really, anyway, oh of cause


yeah yeah, but you know you know what the the the interesting thing is that these people are kind of used to it, cause they've gone through this before, so it's not the first time that they are seeing uh situations like this and this is considered quite mild


in the grandest scheme of things, (ppc) march was ya, anyone who has been to Brunei has been through uh a lot worse, than this, so and everyone of them, I think have gone through Brunei which is very rare


because not all units go there, some only and these ones did, so this guy dead so I think they they were, and I was like talking to some of them ask them uh after the whole thing and then they were quite okay with it they just saw ya lah it feels like crap


at the moment but uh, it's not, new to them, ya so I guess this is quite, interesting, of course when they are doing it it is feel quite crappy lah


yes at that moment, so, I don't know anyway ya so so I am I am just glad that it is over for now, uh but then I have to go back to work and then I have, to, you know other worries for themselves


oh well, ya so what should we do after this, when we get back we should, permit, if it doesn't then what do I do


ya I guess that work too, lunch you mean, didn't oh tonight dinner, ya, ya, do you feel like any new shoes, ya like running shoes


great then let's go shoes shopping, do you want to do it before the the next run, which is we want change


when is the next run how many next run now, oh my


I think that is one thing I need to buy, no my suit, for the conference in November, but it's not presentable, you know the grey shiny spots I haven't been able to remove them


and it's terrible, ya I don't like it, but I just do it and and everywhere I go people ask, meh eh you've got something on your suit


oh ya it's this is hot ya, ya we are fine, ya so I just make one I don't know but if I make the top might as well make the bottom as well, but it's going to be


which I'm not, inclined to doing so, which is actually not that bad lah


as in I think it's really not height it's probably mid range, ya not cheap but, strange, body shape


that's also true, I never been to Lion in a long time who knows how they have become, who knows whether they moved even, think they're still there


increase in people also ya they become more established, increase their prices to exorbitant among, ya it's tough I mean it won't be that much


ya ya of course I don't need that many, ya, ya let's


where do I go though, I mean, for a good fit, I don't know, and the material also has to be like, wool, people swear by wool cause it's comfortable it doesn't crease that difficult


that often you know it makes it more, it flows nicely, ya maybe I should get one it's high time I mean I've been working for a couple of years now


ya I I suppose a good suit can last for maybe three five years, when the, ya, and every single, I mean, ya, my previous suit lasted me for three years right I bought in twenty fifteen I think


but the fit is terrible, it was it's it was very bad ya for somebody who knows how to look at


that's true, I mean, ya, so you're suggesting that I just buy off the rack, but then the weird shoulders will show, no but but why but why why settle for an interim measure when you can just go


the big one (ppc), okay what's weighted like five hundred dollars that was weighted or something, but an interim measure is like two hundred and fifty, ya, I think I bought my previous one off the rack for like two forty or something like that or one eighty it's not cheap you know


so and and the those that was like the the most, inferior of inferior qualities like nylon, which is bad, ya so, I think if it's something less like five hundred bucks I think, it's not that bad I know that there are some that go for ever cheaper like three eighty eight


I just hope they accept cash card, instead of cash, I don't know maybe Lye-En has change, their payment methods and they have improved, with the times who knows


but ya should pay them a visit right, okay, also such a pity that that, the car is not with us otherwise we could go and take a look at some cars, we are literally one kilo meter away


but, no we can't walk what okay no it's quite far, for walking


you walked, from Plaza Sing to Bugis, yes


the roads are constructed ya, ya ya ya ya


then you got to walk


so you decided to walk


oh I think I walked that before SMU, ya, Rendezvous, where wait where does the the the underpass start


ya, if you further down, yes, oh, that's where we the the Thai food place is lah the Middle Road area is it ya, how is that near to Bugis


walkable, ya maybe we should take a walk down


if you, I have no objections, I will run lah, uh there's one particular model that I want to see lah I've been pretty


uh, uh sold by the idea but I just want to see the thing because I didn't see it the previous time, ya anyway what happened to the running idea did you know it's at eight PM, ya your mum said dinner is at eight and uh given the the demographic of the table my guess is we'll be last to eat lah


!huh! as as usual we are like the last like you know the, the not really, first class citizens I suppose, so because of that uh I will have a lot of time lah and I I I think the stadium only closes about eight thirty close to nine


and my guess is that the the earliest we'll eat is eight forty five, sounds like, kind of timing, four fifteen or four, thirty okay likely to be four thirty


ya, we walk there we will, probably take like, maximum an hour from here to there and then finish and everything, then I I we can be back home by six but ya


ya there there's that one model I mean okay that, then we'll do it another day lah when there's a car when I can drive, easier lah we can do it maybe tomorrow or something lah or after the


lunch, ya we have about uh quite sometime to think about it anyway does this count as uh, yes


ya it it it's fine lah I think that's the whole point of it it it can't it can't be, this microphone which is so far away is meant to pick up like the same amount of, gain that this one is picking up right, it doesn't matter lah it doesn't matter I I'm sure it's loud enough for them


ya if not then lah it's probably not your fault, two hours of uh meaningless conversations which is why they say


so you could play a game and tell them what's the difference between these two, who knows maybe it's hidden somewhere, oh my, oh !wow!


ya I I I probably will okay how does this work okay we we've got to hold one each, and spot the difference, oh okay I see one


yes okay the sign no uh and the sign here, yup, the goat's beard, sheep sheep ya then the the paper here, just missing


ah yes, yes, this, pants off and pants on, no the sack sack on sack off then, oh okay


ah flowers right and then the speech bubble here, I saw you Anna, ya palindrome ya, yes and the carrots I suppose ya


uh what else nothing else already right, ya and I mean you you point this out right, ah okay so this one


ya this one you you pointed out right, what's the difference in the sign, young pea shoots versus pea shoots, believe there's nothing else lah


ya, great okay, can move on to the next not very challenging oh wait wait wait wait wait, ya not at all, come one man bring me something more difficult, what really


that's so lame never mind then, oh nevermind then just leave it there, oh my like DV, ya


and prone to errors indeed, oh man it's really itchy, does it look bad it looks quite bad right maybe, it reminds me of a the, see a doctor, put aloe vera


take MC, that's true, at some point I'm gonna have to start reading my emails this weekend


who knows maybe maybe, but I'm kinda dreading it, yes, preparations ya, trial, next week


yes, what, you just had a coffee just now, as in coffee in the CBD


you could do that at home what, ah yes because there's not much, there's there's no real fixed task that you have to complete within the day


you feel less accomplished, but it's just a feeling lah, ya


and and I bet that when you are actually in the cubicle doing it you on some days will feel like shit


ah yes, you need to go back to work


no but, you know for me right uh I always have a to do list and I always feel like, super accomplished but after I check like maybe three items of the list I get, a bit complacent and I just ah okay I'll just start slowly doing the rest of the items


ya it's quite bad, and then I end up with some streaks of unproductivity


no what if you're in a middle of something right your thoughts are there then you, you spend like five minutes


at one point in time right I think I was doing that work, together with you or something, ya


ya, you know sometimes I feel like work is a little too rush I just want to sit down and, take my time to do certain things, oh you one of them, ya I wanna just take my time and do certain things but I feel like I don't have the luxury of time to do that


it just seems like rushing from one thing to another and then, you you're also a bit hesitant to spend a bit more time than necessary, !aww!, or like even after you spend a time you think oh man maybe I shouldn't have spend so much time on this, but on the other hand having a deadline


forces you to move uh, quicker lah, so I think we humans are very like strange creatures, yeah, so is a balance lah you need to have something, to push you but, it's also finding the right balance of comfort and, pressure or stress


as a senior, why


but you just need to be to know enough, but you just need to, but you just need to know enough to delegate the work to someone give, like give but tracking takes less time what


definitely less time than doing it yourself


ya, so so I think in research questions the the, research topic and question needs to be framed very accurately and tightly, with uh very, concise, uh


explanation of the context, of this research so what's the bigger picture what is the research meant to, why is it important and what do we need it for in the grand scheme of things I think that helps


then they are shit, then then they they they just need to learn how to do better research lah, ya


so I suppose maybe as an


what do you mean


not easily divisible task, and appease male fashion lah


that's a difficulty of research right, but these are also the people that you need


that that really don't like to talk to others, because research feels like a largely introspective work, but you just sit there and coop, yourself yourself up at a corner and read copious of stuff


and be in your own world then think, ya, ya, competence


definitely, but you know it's something that people not many people like, what do you mean by, what do you mean by just started to realise you look at me


all through my school years, so I mean people know the importance of research they know what it's like


ya but nobody likes to do it aye


maybe, maybe A I might help in this, whole thing


ya actually on that note what do you think it's the future for machine learning, ya like people keep talking about AI and AI and machine learning and all that but but


how does it actually work how do you make a computer program learn by itself, because traditionally computers just respond to commands right, you input something it outputs something, how does it


exactly, tough right, it's it's like a constant feedback loop, I suppose like, what


yeah based on your initial input, it outputs something and then, it learns from your response to that I suppose, and then it takes, the input that it takes not just, uh a second input but the


what you input in response to the previous output, and I guess it stores all of that and tries to learn something I don't know


I guess because, I guess because we, do it very subconsciously, and so we don't really like think about, how it actually works you don't, unpack I suppose the process of, learning and the process of gaining knowledge and all that


you know maybe that's how the future of A AI will go


okay


!wow!, that is super impressive


that's quite cool lah, what if what what if what if one day the dogs get smart enough to, think eh why am I a slave to this master and then we have planet of the dogs


nah I don't think so look at your dog at home, that he's a he's a far far far way away


okay no I I don't think he's the average level dog and then he's probably like a weaker, ya the, fifth percentile , (ppc), but it's true, it's true I think we are that


it's it's like about two minutes and seventeen nineteen seconds already, (uh)I don't know should I, okay ya that's true, okay I'll pause this and then I'll


it's okay, what's this !huh!, new topic is, oh is this the spot the difference, it looks like some oral


psle oral or something, eh okay okay we try that we try that that's easier, ya describe everything, okay so , hi girl, please describe the picture according as how you will


in your psle , I know you're supposed to do clockwise or anti clockwise one right remember something like that


oh I realise something eh our our our photos are different, cause you're you're, yes, so should we, okay like just now right the pharmacy [right], yes correct


and then the the toys right the bear one both are ribbons for mine yours is one is in his shirt, yes, and the sign, and the lady is not wearing shoe for yours


because someone don't wear shoes in office also, just kidding it's only in the booth right okay anyway, like that


pay we have , oh oh oh oh ya ya ya okay


yes, yes the bird shit is there and the clouds are there and the plane are there, (oh) maybe her shoe spoil


okay okay, okay cool cool, eh ya the Hong-Kong trip we we just settle the Hong-Kong trip first


but I I didn't have it like , I mean I just have it on a photo lah, send you oh okay okay okay wait ah, because you saw through you you briefly look through his itinerary


I airdrop you, so ya he's airdropping


then oh ya eh wait wait wait before we go to the itinerary let's settle the luggage one first, so so what what , the luggage how how big is your luggage


but it's also one arm's length right, I guess oh okay so so you you fit everything into your luggage already ah


(ppb) oh ya I forgot my poncho, okay okay I need include that, uh yes yes yes I also I wanted to bring that when I I was about to leave the house just now (ppb), suddenly I I remember that I need to bring a cap to my trip


yup, I pack in mine already


portable oh you bringing portable charger ah


(ppb) fine, yup oh I wanted I was thinking of bringing medicine like those runny nose tablets or something, but ya in case


eh but are you you're gonna collect your medicine from Cheryl later [right], then , so Cheryl already brought it home lah, do you need to remind her to bring it later


what do you mean by half


squeeze it into a smaller bottle like, smaller, oh hi I'm I'm gonna crap, no but


that time I went to Japan for two weeks right I bring that small bottle eh


how do you even use okay, you you may you uh okay no but in the sense that, !huh! then how how how long your shampoo usually last you that bottle, one month


it lasts me six months okay, the I then then, soap, okay fine shampoo you're wasting a lot of


I think I think should be fine okay anyway ya back to this okay so ya what else is there to, okay


let me see ah just now the photo that like, two of my luggage, actually it my luggage isn't that small leh I don't know why you day it's very small maybe it's because of the photo how I I angle it


which one you have three, the one that you are tempting to squeeze everything in


cabin, okay when you stand next to your luggage is it above slightly above your knee, above your knee, !huh! that's really like the size of mine leh


okay firstly what are you gonna buy, oh so you're buying for people you have a


no no ya lah ya lah the the team of course lah those who but the thing is that , what type of request


how big is it, how big is it, your other sis, but why she wants it more


okay okay, okay but she knows that the typhoon just hit, there right so if, they they don't open it is also, normal , okay okay


will see will see, I brought I brought another bag uh another like, another bigger duffel bag ya


can just in case you should that's like my travel, like okay yes yes yes, which one, which one uh the itinerary I you receive already right the one that I send


ya airdrop you already, don't have you still haven't receive, (oh) you wait ah just give me a moment ah let me send it over


you you on your airdrop already right, K ya is sending, okay, okay okay


okay, oh ya we haven't find out how to go from the airport to the, oh yes, okay wait ah let me open mine as well the the other side ah


K where is it where is it where's my Google doc, eh is it Dropbox I think is Dropbox


yes which one, oh my mum pass me hers eh but she I think may have expired so I think just need to check whether, but in any case we just can go to any metro and buy ya


metro station right, airport express line or a


(hmm) okay cause , I think my friend right she took the airport express line and what happened was that, ya she purchased from the Klook lah, so she's saying that that's very convenient considering that we don't have to be so, no need to worry about our luggage


ya so I I guess ya we can try the airport express line just that should we purchase it now or, when when we reach Hong-Kong


no no no as in okay but wait no matter what we will get from Klook but the thing is I'm not sure is it , kay I need to check with her on that, okay you know why