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Indeed the anti-China demonstrations have hurt the local people, which destroyed their pease live. There isn't any reason to do like this, because china have done much work to help them live a better life. What they have done is indeed pigs might fly.
Tibet is a part of china in the past, just now, and it wiil be in the future.
This board is so much better than those somewhat mobbish quarrels going on YouTube, at last can get into some reasonable discussions =)
For all of you defending the Chinese government..where is your HUMANITY?! Is human rights no longer important? Is the lives of human beings no longer sacred to you? Is the fight for justice nothing but a mere ploy to disrupt "stability"? Is oppression something to be revered and valued? STAND UP PEOPLE, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS! This is the life of human beings we are talking about!!
also in him inadvertantly alluding that supports the solidity of the entire clip.
A recurring theme in this discussion is the idea that something is justified just because it has always been like this or because it has never been like this. I think this logic is misguided. One can argue back and forth whether Tibet has always been a Chinese province or whether it has always been independent, however, if one were to adhere strictly to this argument, then, with what justification did the European take away land from the Native Americans, or thousands of other examples? How would you justify this? You don't, because it has become a historic fact. (Same with Israel and the Palestinians) This should form the basis of our discussion.Now, we have two parties with opposing interests. Of course, China does not want to lose Tibet. Someone argued that China would be better off economically if it let Tibet go independent and thus wouldn't have to pay for its development. But seriously, do you think the US would move out of Puerto Rico? Why did the UK wage a war on the other side of the planet with Argentina over some tiny island? It's all about power and sovereignty, or, a worded slightly more vernacularly, saving face.Some people blame the Chinese culture for China's present actions. I'm quite surprised - do you really think that communism has anything to do with the Chinese culture? Do you actually think China is a communist country? As far as I know Chinese culture dates back thousands of years and I do not think the last 60 years of "communism" has had any impact on the basic set of ancient ideas that form Chinese culture. If anything, the so-called communists denied traditional Chinese culture and values during the Cultural Revolution.In my opinion, one should discount cultural differences between the Chinese and the Tibetans as a reason for this conflict. Because what is culture? It provides you with certain set of moral beliefs but there are no major differences between cultures. E.g. Islam does not differ from Christianity in its core values. In my opinion, this conflict is purely about power and sovereignty, not about culture, which, however, does not mean that it can't (and won't) be exploited as a means of justification by both sides.
Don't mind peter Pen
He is been expressing strong anti-Chinese emotion here for a while and he/she likes to put others in the position like "brain washed", "spam bot", "can't talk straight" before he actually read and think what others say.
Ignore is the best way to deal with comments without any constructive ideas here or simply report abuse =]
I have just now read what 'oneforall' has remarked on my earlier post. Well. He seems to have missed my substance. I do not hold one view for all. In that case, it would be taken as a dictatorship. China has been imposing such ones for all people. Thats why even Chinese in China, given an option, would not prefer China's policies and principles. To 'oneforall' once again, I can even extend my point, the China has every right to take over the countries (by 'hook or crook' or even by 'force' of course) as well - Singapore, Malaysia, Australia. Why, even US. Since Chinese live in these countries for a very long time. Am I right 'oneforall'? - The time for the mighty to realise what is right or wrong will come very soon.
Nanji apologies for the delayed response just woken up. Now I think your misconstruing the manner in which my response was worded. The context of my comment must be remembered firstly you contested me on the wording of the Dalai Lama comments with which I see no error. As for "What do you see, water001?" I see the same thing as you but that is inadvertantly what the Dalai Lama is alluding to inadvertantly though I admit.
water001:I already said if you could provide evidence as for why the exiled tibetan govt. is more trustworthy I would accept your position completely. Btw, given that NYTimes is a US newspaper it'll be more appropriate if you present evidence that the account was manipulated by CCP. Shall we be polite to each other?
bitola79: Your comments are absolutely disgusting! The Tibetan people and the Dalai Lama are NOT terrorists! The terrorist is the Chinese government; they not only terrorize other people (such as the Tibetans), but also their own people! When a government doesn't respect their own people, how can we expect them to respect anything else?!
Chinese Communism block Tibet riot news in it country for following reason. 1) prevent Han Chinese outrage to demand harsh crackdown, 2) prevent other interest group to thing same as it.
People - seriously - GET LIVES. What's the point of bitching each other out in this forum? Why don't you all just exchange contact info, meet up and slug it out?
Heartiest congratulations to the people of Tibet who have shown courage and pluck to bring the attention of the entire world to their plight and as the Dalai Lama puts it "cultural genocide". Unfortunately a weakening West has been weary of China and has been trying to shove under the carpet the various human rights and the cultural violation that the communist regime in Beijing has been committing. However an entire nation's population cannot be kept suppressed irrespective of the muscle power of the oppressing nation.
It is also an eye opener for people in India, whose communist parties and their so called "secular sympathisers", the Arundathi Roys of the world including,cry about human rights violation anytime a genuine terrorist is apprehended and punished in India, as to how authoritarian a communist regime is likely to be.
I hope the whole world does something more concrete apart from mouthing only platitudes, to help the Tibetans realise their genuine aspirations. God bless them with greater courage and luck.
What no one has mentioned is the difference in philosophies between the Tibetans and the Chinese. The Tibetans promote peace and tranquility whereas the Communist Chinese promote rule by force.
The Chinese government simply cannot abide the possibility of their neighbour having a better philosophy than their own. Otherwise their own people would revolt against them. Therefore they had to invade Tibet, in the early days of Communist rule, and subjugate its people.
The Tibetans have suffered under the Chinese for decades, and their patience has finally snapped.
Good on you Tibetans - my prayers are with you.
This is a conspiracy made by Dalai La,a, the purpose is to force the government to use force to put the city back to peace and stability. And then they can find an excuse to make trouble in the Olympics.
'xiuxiu01' Umm I know the NYtimes is US, my reasons are grounded in my reservations with regard to the purported fact the article is merely a letter to the Editor... that is why I have my reservations.The 'opinion' as it is labelled at the top of the website simply says it is from a pseudonymous author who states "I won't comment on the ancient three-to-four-foot drum made from human skin that hangs in the Potala, the Dalai Lama's palace."Which for me provides no compelling evidence against the Dalai Lama.
bitola79: I am brainwashed in thinking that we should all stand up whenever and wherever injustice is taking place around the world. According to you, it's all related because there isn't external interference???? hahahaha..is this a joke? Your argument isn't valid! Lastly, I feel extremely sorry for you and I'll pray for you!
May there be peace and love in this world! I'm out...
Water001, Thanks for responding. I totally agree with you and appreciate your making the analogy more explicit.
I feel that the article leans more towards the Chineese viewpoint. It is possible that the correspondent, since he is in China, courtesy CCP has panned out a article, highlighting the rioting, carnage and looting on the streets.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/15/tibet.china3The above report points out that around 130 people have died during the protests, and they were tibetians and not Haan Chineese
Being in the right place at the right time means that Economist readers have an objective view of the situation. The reports of executions and beatings of priests may, per your correspondent, have been the tipping point. The key is what the Chinese authorities do now.
I was in Romania in 1990 when the provisional government overresponded to students occupying a key central square and the ensuing international cold shoulder immensely slowed down the Romanaian restructuring. I saw how the troops and "patriotic" miner vigilantes overreacted and how the city and country were scarred.
Similarly, Tien an Men Squre in Beijing in 1989 was a tremendous error for China.
The key in psychology to not escalate but to deescalate a hot situation. What has been done cannot be undone. What has been said cannot be unsaid.
We will wait to see if the PRC diffuses this crisis appropriately. Clearly, there are major problems and concessions, not weapons and force, are the route to ensuring that 08-08-08 is a success, not a failure like Moscow in 1980 after invasion of Afghanistan.
I hope this note is read by the PRC officials who want to measure world reaction and will be printed off and considered carefully.
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