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in

Tongues

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real

story

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entry

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posted

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of

the

spirit

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of

the

spirit

religion

speaking

in

tongues

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by

Dave

A

s

proof

that

God

has

poured

out

his

spirit

there

is

a

manifestation

known

as

Speaking

in

Tongues

Those

seeing

it

for

the

first

time

sometimes

find

it

to

be

a

bit

creepy

or

bizarre

especially

if

they

dont

know

what

is

going

on

It

usually

happens

during

times

of

open

prayer

within

Pentecostal

churches

or

other

similar

types

of

groups

with

a

Charismatic

leaning

Sometimes

one

individual

will

appear

to

loudly

break

out

into

a

prayer

or

song

in

what

sounds

like

a

foreign

language

but

not

any

language

ever

heard

before

There

is

also

a

variation

in

which

Normally

when

considering

religion

concepts

such

as

spirit

are

vague

immeasurable

and

meaningless

but

here

is

something

solid

that

we

can

actually

measure

and

determine

if

there

is

anything

significant

happening

Over

the

years

there

has

been

a

lot

of

serious

independent

scientific

research

of

this

specific

practise

One

very

good

example

is

the

long

and

detailed

study

carried

out

back

in

the

early

by

the

famous

Professor

of

Linguistics

William

J

Samarin

From

all

around

the

world

he

gathered

and

recorded

many

samples

of

Speaking

in

Tongues

All

this

data

was

then

put

through

an

extensive

analysis

over

While

speaking

in

tongues

does

appear

at

first

to

resemble

human

language

that

was

only

on

the

surface

The

actual

stream

of

speech

was

not

organised

and

there

was

no

existing

relationship

between

units

of

speech

and

concepts

The

speakers

might

believe

it

to

be

a

real

language

but

it

was

totally

meaningless

Samarin

William

J

Tongues

of

Men

and

Angels

The

Religious

Language

of

Pentecostalism

New

York

Macmillan

Note

that

this

is

not

just

a

blog

opinion

its

peer

reviewed

research

carried

out

over

many

years

by

a

highly

qualified

openminded

linguist

Speakingintongues

is

nothing

but

empty

babbling

by

devoted

believers

who

have

deluded

themselves

into

thinking

it

to

be

a

sign

of

the

Holy

Spirit

I

should

know

I

used

to

be

a

practitioner

myself

at

one

time

and

truly

did

believe

in

the

reality

of

it

but

realise

now

that

I

was

motivated

by

my

desire

to

blend

in

and

was

only

fooling

myself

If

you

dig

a

bit

deeper

and

consider

the

history

of

it

all

you

find

that

the

modern

practise

as

we

see

it

today

is

not

all

that

old

it

dates

back

to

about

in

Los

Angeles

Having

first

started

in

a

revival

there

it

has

since

then

spread

in

a

viral

like

manner

both

geographically

around

the

globe

and

also

chronologically

on

to

each

successive

generation

Modern

practitioners

claim

that

what

they

are

doing

is

exactly

the

same

as

the

experience

described

within

the

Book

of

Acts

however

one

huge

discrepancy

is

that

the

story

within

Book

What

is

even

more

fascinating

is

that

the

modern

manifestation

is

a

lot

more

widespread

then

most

might

appreciate

Other

nonChristian

religious

groups

also

practise

it

Felicitas

Goodman

a

Hungarian

anthropologist

compared

it

with

recordings

of

rituals

from

Japan

Indonesia

Africa

and

Borneo

and

concluded

that

there

was

no

distinction

it

truly

is

universal

and

quite

easily

crosses

religious

divides

Goodman

Felicitas

D

Speaking

in

Tongues

A

CrossCultural

Study

in

Glossolalia

Chicago

University

of

Chicago

Press

Finally

just

to

prove

the

point

that

there

is

no

skymagic

involved

and

that

this

is

just

a

learned

behaviour

there

was

a

study

carried

out

with

a

group

of

nonbelieving

undergraduates

could

accomplish

it

after

listening

to

only

a

second

sample

and

about

could

succeed

with

some

moderate

training

Spanos

Nicholas

P

Cross

Wendy

P

Lepage

Mark

Coristine

Marjorie

February

Glossolalia

as

learned

behavior

An

experimental

demonstration

Journal

of

Abnormal

Psychology

The

Bible

states

in

Cor

that

tongues

are

for

a

sign

not

to

them

that

believe

but

to

them

that

believe

not

Well

this

nonbeliever

hasnow

weighed

and

measured

it

all

and

found

it

to

be

mindless

babbling

The

only

sign

that

this

gives

is

that

the

believers

who

practise

this

are

delusional

I

include

my

past

self

in

that

last

sentence

If

you

are

still

a

believer

and

are

starting

to

have

doubts

then

you

might

be

interested

in

chatting

with

me

to

understand

why

I

am

not

longer

a

believer

I

promise

a

friendly

discussion

contact

me

at

skeptic

at

skepticalsciencecom

forgive

the

cryptic

email

its

to

avoid

the

bots

auto

scraping

the

email

address

and

spamming

me

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those

who

still

believe

and

have

reached

here

with

the

But

I

know

its

real

thought

still

intact

well

thats

exactly

how

I

felt

What

you

have

to

realise

is

that

you

are

in

the

grip

of

a

very

powerful

psychological

trick

Before

you

move

on

pause

and

carefully

consider

what

you

have

read

Im

not

presenting

you

with

an

alternative

opinion

but

rather

with

hard

solid

scientific

proof

that

it

is

not

real

Like

this

bloggers

like

this

Leave

a

Reply

thoughts

on

Speaking

in

Tongues

The

real

story

Gladness

Gold

December

at

I

have

experienced

the

real

power

of

the

Holy

Ghost

while

praying

in

tongues

I

speak

in

tongues

and

I

get

direction

for

my

life

I

speak

in

tongues

and

get

answers

to

stuff

I

didnt

previously

know

It

is

Gods

will

for

us

to

speak

in

tongues

Paul

said

that

he

who

speaks

in

an

unknown

tongue

speaks

mysteries

and

speaks

unto

the

Lord

Dont

be

deceived

speaking

in

tongues

is

a

gift

from

God

which

he

wants

us

all

to

enjoy

Do

read

the

scientific

benefits

of

speaking

in

tongues

too

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mario

December

at

I

have

experienced

the

real

power

of

the

Holy

Ghost

while

praying

in

tongues

WHAT

WAS

THE

REAL

POWER

DID

YOU

EXPERIENCE

WHILE

PRAYING

IN

TONGUES

HOW

DO

YOU

KNOW

WHAT

YOU

PRAYED

FOR

WAS

ANSWERED

AS

YOU

DID

NOT

KNOW

WHAT

YOU

PRAYED

FOR

IN

YOUR

HEAVENLY

LANGUAGE

I

speak

in

tongues

and

I

get

direction

for

my

life

WHAT

WAS

THE

PURPOSE

FOR

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

WHERE

IN

THE

BIBLE

DOES

IT

SAY

THAT

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

GIVES

YOU

DIRECTION

IN

LIFE

I

speak

in

tongues

and

get

answers

to

stuff

I

didnt

previously

know

IF

YOU

DO

NOT

KNOW

WHAT

THE

SPIRIT

IS

PRAYING

HOW

CAN

YOU

GET

ANSWERS

OR

ARE

YOU

PRAYING

WITH

YOUR

OWN

SPIRIT

AND

YOUR

OWN

LANGUAGE

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is

Gods

will

for

us

to

speak

in

tongues

IS

IT

DO

ALL

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IN

TONGUES

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WERE

THE

SIGN

GIFTS

FOR

HOW

MANY

TIMES

DID

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

HAPPEN

IN

THE

BOOK

OF

Acts

AND

WHO

HAD

TO

BE

PRESENT

Paul

said

that

he

who

speaks

in

an

unknown

tongue

speaks

mysteries

and

speaks

unto

the

Lord

PAUL

SAID

THAT

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be

deceived

speaking

in

tongues

is

a

gift

from

God

which

he

wants

us

all

to

enjoy

IS

TONGUES

REALLY

A

GIFT

FROM

GOD

THAT

HE

WANTS

YOU

TO

ENJOY

DO

YOU

ENJOY

SAYING

THINGS

THAT

YOU

DO

NOT

UNDERSTAND

WHAT

IF

YOU

ARE

SPEAKING

OTHER

TONGUES

AND

NOT

GODS

TONGUES

WAS

TONGUES

GIVEN

FOR

YOUR

ENJOYMENT

OR

WAS

IT

A

SIGN

FOR

THE

UNBELIEVER

Do

read

the

scientific

benefits

of

speaking

in

tongues

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WHAT

ARE

THE

SCIENTIFIC

BENEFITS

OF

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at

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looks

like

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can

get

a

copy

of

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but

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hesitant

to

get

it

when

Google

doesnt

seem

to

bring

up

anyone

talking

about

it

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speaking

in

other

languages

at

Pentecost

in

Acts

and

at

the

Gentile

Pentecost

in

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was

not

the

gift

of

tongues

because

concerning

the

gift

of

tongues

Paul

said

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all

speak

with

tongues

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meaning

they

dont

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on

Pentecost

they

were

all

filled

with

the

Holy

Spirit

and

began

to

speak

with

other

tongues

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and

at

the

Gentile

Pentecost

the

Holy

Spirit

fell

on

all

them

which

heard

the

word

Acts

Acts

and

are

the

only

events

in

the

Bible

described

as

the

baptism

of

the

Holy

Spirit

The

disciples

didnt

receive

the

baptism

of

the

Spirit

in

Acts

because

they

prayed

Jesus

wanted

the

apostles

to

wait

in

Jerusalem

because

he

knew

he

would

give

the

Spirit

on

the

feast

of

Pentecost

and

it

would

be

most

profitable

if

the

apostles

were

all

together

but

he

was

going

to

give

the

Spirit

on

schedule

when

the

day

of

Pentecost

was

fully

come

Acts

regardless

of

what

the

apostles

did

Yeshua

fulfilled

the

Jewish

feasts

on

the

exact

days

they

were

being

observed

by

the

Jewish

people

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Bread

with

his

sinlessness

body

Passover

with

his

From

Acts

onward

every

believer

has

been

baptized

by

the

Spirit

into

the

body

of

Messiah

the

moment

hes

justified

Rom

Cor

Rom

therefore

its

impossible

to

be

baptized

by

the

Spirit

any

time

after

the

moment

of

justification

in

contradiction

to

Pentecostal

doctrine

And

Acts

and

are

the

only

times

in

the

Bible

where

any

outward

manifestation

ever

accompanied

Spirit

baptism

Acts

because

thats

when

the

indwelling

Spirit

was

first

given

to

the

church

and

Acts

because

thats

the

first

time

the

Gentiles

were

baptized

into

the

church

which

was

Acts

and

describe

believers

receiving

the

gifts

of

the

Spirit

sometime

after

justification

and

water

baptism

by

the

laying

on

of

the

apostles

hands

Acts

doesnt

explicitly

say

what

Simon

and

the

others

saw

as

a

result

of

the

laying

on

of

hands

but

we

ought

to

assume

the

same

as

in

Acts

an

exercise

of

spiritual

gifts

Acts

makes

it

clear

that

anyone

like

Phillip

can

preach

the

gospel

and

bring

people

to

justification

but

one

of

the

twelve

apostles

including

Paul

not

Matthias

had

to

lay

hands

on

a

believer

to

give

them

When

the

last

of

the

twelve

apostles

died

no

more

spiritual

gifts

were

imparted

and

when

the

last

of

the

people

who

had

received

spiritual

gifts

died

no

more

spiritual

gifts

were

exercised

Just

as

most

of

the

miracles

of

the

Old

Testament

were

condensed

into

the

first

forty

years

of

the

existence

of

the

nation

of

Israel

created

at

the

Exodus

likewise

the

miracles

of

the

New

Testament

after

Messiah

were

concentrated

into

the

first

forty

years

of

the

existence

of

the

church

created

at

Pentecost

Speaking

in

tongues

in

church

meetings

provided

needed

New

Testament

revelation

before

the

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Dru

Deman

December

at

Yes

The

teaching

of

how

to

speak

in

tongues

by

churches

though

well

meaning

is

not

backed

by

biblical

principles

The

true

evidence

of

Gods

power

is

freedom

from

a

lifestyle

of

sin

fear

and

eternal

damnation

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Anonymous

October

at

Speaking

in

tongues

UTTER

RUBBISH

Jesus

did

all

the

Holy

Spirit

gift

stuff

apart

from

speaking

n

interpretation

of

tongues

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mario

October

at

Jesus

had

to

die

before

he

could

send

the

Holy

Spirit

to

live

in

us

and

build

the

Heavenly

Church

Jesus

received

the

Holy

Spirit

at

his

baptism

and

never

spoke

in

tongues

John

the

Baptist

had

the

Holy

Spirit

from

birth

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did

not

speak

in

tongues

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Leah

October

at

Hi

I

grew

up

Pentacostal

but

since

leaving

I

have

always

wondered

about

speaking

in

tongues

I

have

seen

things

like

what

you

discuss

but

I

have

also

heard

ofknew

people

who

said

they

were

able

to

suddenly

speak

real

established

languages

and

Im

not

sure

how

to

explain

it

Any

thoughts

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Kavik

October

at

There

are

numerous

accounts

in

the

tonguesspeaking

community

of

instances

where

a

person

supposedly

heard

someone

speaking

in

tongues

and

it

was

perceived

as

the

persons

native

language

or

someone

recognized

it

as

suchandsuch

a

language

All

instances

of

these

are

purely

anecdotal

Virtually

nothing

is

known

about

either

party

the

speaker

or

the

hearer

nor

is

any

specific

details

or

information

on

what

transpired

given

I

suspect

many

of

these

stories

are

told

to

bolster

and

promote

the

tongues

experience

within

the

tonguespeaking

community

Such

accounts

essentially

amount

to

hearsay

with

minimal

detail

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are

unfortunately

no

real

documented

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October

at

It

will

be

better

if

you

said

at

the

conclusion

of

your

article

that

if

we

still

believe

then

fine

for

us

instead

of

saying

that

we

are

in

the

grip

of

a

powerful

psychological

trick

It

will

also

be

better

if

you

just

left

people

to

their

faith

than

trying

so

hard

to

discourage

them

from

believing

because

youve

lost

your

way

doesnt

mean

everyone

should

follow

your

path

IF

ONE

LEAVES

PEOPLE

TO

THEOR

OWN

FAITH

OR

BELIEF

COULD

THIS

NOT

BE

DANGEROUS

THATS

WHY

APOSTLE

PAUL

SAID

IF

ANY

OTHER

PERSON

PREACHES

ANOTHER

GOSPEL

THAN

THE

ONE

I

PREACH

BE

HE

ACCURSED

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TRUTH

MUST

BE

REVEALED

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October

at

Hi

I

believe

that

speaking

in

tongues

is

real

and

that

a

person

speaks

in

tongues

when

their

spirit

wants

to

communicate

with

God

the

Bible

says

whoever

speaks

in

an

unknown

tongue

speaks

not

unto

man

but

unto

God

if

you

keep

reading

youll

see

where

Paul

said

the

mind

doesnt

understand

what

the

spirit

says

to

God

When

people

speak

in

tongues

each

person

has

a

distinct

pattern

which

I

think

is

the

voice

of

each

persons

spirit

I

dont

think

its

nice

if

you

come

and

tell

people

that

they

are

babbling

because

some

people

are

struggling

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will

be

better

if

you

said

at

the

conclusion

of

your

article

that

if

we

still

believe

then

fine

for

us

instead

of

saying

that

we

are

in

the

grip

of

a

powerful

psychological

trick

It

will

also

be

better

if

you

just

left

people

to

their

faith

than

trying

so

hard

to

discourage

them

from

believing

because

youve

lost

your

way

doesnt

mean

everyone

should

follow

your

path

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Dave

Post

author

October

at

I

have

a

couple

of

questions

How

did

you

determine

that

there

is

such

a

thing

as

spirit

I

get

that

you

sincerely

believe

it

Im

not

challenging

that

Im

just

curious

to

understand

how

you

work

out

what

is

and

is

not

real

When

you

deem

me

to

be

Lost

I

believe

if

I

can

translate

that

correctly

what

you

are

actually

saying

is

that

we

simply

have

reached

different

conclusions

is

that

correct

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do

you

determine

that

your

conclusions

on

the

topic

are

correct

factual

and

real

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October

at

How

come

you

exist

as

you

not

as

me

who

are

you

where

did

you

come

from

what

makes

people

different

what

makes

people

who

they

are

yes

we

have

reached

different

conclusions

not

lost

i

know

I

dont

have

experiments

to

prove

my

point

but

I

know

I

have

been

through

difficult

times

and

pain

and

I

know

people

who

have

survived

things

people

commit

suicide

over

and

I

know

the

only

thing

that

got

us

through

it

was

the

love

of

God

Talking

to

God

brought

happiness

and

hope

that

in

the

end

everything

will

be

better

mario

October

at

Hi

If

you

say

that

when

we

speak

in

tongues

ONLY

God

can

understand

us

Well

is

I

speak

in

an

earthly

language

and

you

do

not

understand

it

then

am

I

correct

in

saying

that

only

God

understands

it

as

God

knows

all

the

earthly

languages

You

do

not

understand

it

If

its

a

language

only

God

understands

then

why

must

it

be

interpreted

Is

it

for

Satan

to

understand

it

or

is

a

real

earthly

language

that

we

just

do

not

know

Should

one

not

tell

people

the

TRUTH

if

they

are

being

deceived

in

believing

another

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Anonymous

October

at

You

are

not

correct

by

saying

only

God

understands

the

earthly

language

you

speak

but

I

dont

understand

To

speak

in

tongues

is

real

and

it

is

to

speak

by

the

spirit

and

nobody

say

your

tongues

MUST

be

interpreted

it

is

not

an

earthly

language

that

we

just

do

not

know

all

languages

spoken

currently

on

earth

are

learnt

you

cant

enter

a

church

and

say

the

people

there

that

are

speaking

in

tongues

are

all

speaking

distinct

languages

that

we

just

dont

know

People

who

speak

in

tongues

dont

know

what

they

say

their

minds

are

at

rest

that

moment

and

their

spirit

is

talking

It

conveys

their

thought

and

needs

to

God

directly

in

a

way

they

dont

know

how

to

and

I

dont

think

you

really

understand

the

topic

and

the

different

conclusions

so

I

suggest

you

read

it

again

before

you

think

that

what

your

saying

is

the

truth

and

I

dont

get

another

gospel

Are

you

a

Christian

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mario

October

at

You

are

not

correct

by

saying

only

God

understands

the

earthly

language

you

speak

but

I

dont

understand

To

speak

in

tongues

is

real

and

it

is

to

speak

by

the

spirit

HOW

WOULD

YOU

EXPLAIN

TO

ME

HOW

DO

YOU

WALK

IN

THE

SPIRIT

and

nobody

say

your

tongues

MUST

be

interpreted

WHAT

DOES

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all

apostles

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all

prophets

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all

teachers

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all

work

miracles

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all

have

gifts

of

healing

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all

speak

in

tongues

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all

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it

is

not

an

earthly

language

that

we

just

do

not

know

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languages

spoken

currently

on

earth

are

learnt

you

cant

enter

a

church

and

say

the

people

there

that

are

speaking

in

tongues

are

all

speaking

distinct

languages

that

we

just

dont

know

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who

speak

in

tongues

dont

know

what

they

say

their

minds

are

at

rest

that

moment

and

their

spirit

is

talking

WERE

IN

THE

WORD

OF

GOD

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IT

SAY

THAT

ONE

THAT

SPEAKS

IN

TONGUES

THEIR

MINDS

ARE

AT

REST

THAT

MOMENT

AND

THEIR

SPIRIT

IS

TALKING

WHO

IS

SPEAKING

THEIR

OWN

SPIRIT

and

I

dont

think

you

really

understand

the

topic

and

the

different

conclusions

so

I

suggest

you

read

it

again

before

you

think

that

what

your

saying

is

the

truth

and

I

dont

get

another

gospel

Are

you

a

Christian

SAYING

YOU

ARE

A

CHRISTIAN

DOES

NOT

SAVE

YOU

YOU

MUST

BE

BORN

AGAIN

BY

THE

SPIRIT

OF

GOD

CAN

I

ASK

YOU

A

FEW

QUESTION

Why

do

you

want

to

speak

in

tongues

To

please

God

or

get

closer

to

him

Are

tongue

speakers

more

spiritual

than

the

ones

that

do

not

have

that

gift

HOW

MANY

TIMES

DID

THEY

SPEAK

IN

TONGUES

IN

THE

BIBLE

HOW

MANY

YEARS

APART

WAS

IT

Some

understand

praying

in

tongues

to

be

a

secret

code

language

that

prevents

Satan

and

his

demons

from

understanding

our

prayers

and

thereby

gaining

an

advantage

over

us

This

interpretation

is

unbiblical

for

the

following

reasons

The

New

Testament

consistently

describes

tongues

as

a

human

language

It

is

unlikely

that

Satan

and

his

demons

are

unable

to

understand

human

languages

The

Bible

records

countless

believers

praying

in

their

own

language

out

loud

with

no

concern

of

Satan

intercepting

the

prayer

Even

if

Satan

andor

his

demons

hear

and

understand

the

prayers

we

pray

they

have

absolutely

no

power

to

prevent

God

from

answering

the

prayers

according

to

His

will

We

know

that

God

hears

our

prayers

and

that

fact

makes

it

irrelevant

whether

Satan

and

his

demons

hear

and

understand

our

prayers

What

then

is

praying

in

tongues

and

how

is

it

different

than

speaking

in

tongues

First

Corinthians

indicates

that

praying

in

tongues

is

also

to

be

interpreted

As

a

result

it

seems

that

praying

in

tongues

was

offering

a

prayer

to

God

This

prayer

would

minister

to

someone

who

spoke

that

language

but

would

also

need

to

be

interpreted

so

that

the

entire

body

could

be

edified

This

interpretation

does

not

agree

with

those

who

view

praying

in

tongues

as

a

prayer

language

This

alternate

understanding

can

be

summarized

as

follows

praying

in

tongues

is

a

personal

prayer

language

between

a

believer

and

God

Corinthians

that

a

believer

uses

to

edify

himself

Corinthians

This

interpretation

is

unbiblical

for

the

following

reasons

How

could

praying

in

tongues

be

a

private

prayer

language

if

it

is

to

be

interpreted

Corinthians

How

could

praying

in

tongues

be

for

selfedification

when

Scripture

says

that

the

spiritual

gifts

are

for

the

edification

of

the

church

not

the

self

Corinthians

How

can

praying

in

tongues

be

a

private

prayer

language

if

the

gift

of

tongues

is

a

sign

to

unbelievers

Corinthians

The

Bible

makes

it

clear

that

not

everyone

possesses

the

gift

of

tongues

Corinthians

How

could

tongues

be

a

gift

for

selfedification

if

not

every

believer

can

possess

it

Do

we

not

all

need

to

be

edified

IF

ALL

OTHER

FALSE

RELIGIONS

THAT

DO

NOT

WORSHIP

JESUS

ALSO

SPEAK

THE

SAME

TONGUES

AS

CHRISTIANS

DO

SHOULD

WE

NOT

BE

CAREFUL

IN

WHAT

WE

DO

COULD

ONE

BE

CAUSING

GOD

What

do

we

say

then

about

the

many

Christians

who

have

experienced

praying

in

tongues

and

find

it

to

be

very

personally

edifying

First

we

must

base

our

faith

and

practice

on

Scripture

not

experience

We

must

view

our

experiences

in

light

of

Scripture

not

interpret

Scripture

in

light

of

our

experiences

Lastly

why

are

churches

teaching

people

how

to

speak

in

tongues

prophecy

and

heal

I

thought

the

gifts

were

from

the

Holy

Spirit

and

the

Spirit

gave

it

to

whom

he

felt

AND

NOT

A

LEARNT

BEHAVIOR

Anonymous

October

at

Yes

Speaking

in

tongues

may

also

be

speaking

in

earthly

languages

that

were

never

learnt

but

it

doesnt

change

the

fact

that

it

is

a

gift

from

God

that

your

spirit

uses

to

communicate

with

Him

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mario

October

at

Why

did

Jesus

teach

us

to

pray

teach

communicate

heal

in

our

own

language

nothing

secret

i

am

sure

that

Satan

could

understand

all

heavenly

languages

If

tongues

had

to

be

interpreted

in

the

church

then

satan

could

also

know

what

was

said

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Jana

Hood

October

at

When

you

say

you

are

not

a

believer

do

you

mean

in

tongues

or

in

Jesus

Christ

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Dave

Post

author

October

at

I

strive

to

believe

as

many

true

things

as

possible

and

so

I

seek

the

best

possible

evidence

When

it

comes

to

the

various

supernatural

claims

then

for

these

I

do

not

find

enough

evidence

to

convince

me

Anonymous

October

at

Faith

is

the

only

evidence

you

need

Read

Hebrews

Dave

Post

author

October

at

Given

the

observation

that

you

can

have

faith

in

anything

any

position

at

all

then

how

exactly

is

faith

in

something

evidence

for

that

something

Anonymous

October

at

Its

like

saying

faith

is

the

only

proof

you

need

that

everything

is

fine

if

you

prayed

about

an

issue

and

when

its

the

right

time

what

you

asked

God

for

will

be

provided

You

can

never

fully

understand

God

or

His

plans

Isaiah

And

I

know

sometimes

and

in

some

situations

having

faith

in

God

may

sound

absurd

but

He

knows

whats

best

Anonymous

October

at

You

have

faith

in

God

not

in

something

and

having

faith

in

God

is

evidence

that

your

prayers

will

be

answered

but

at

the

right

time

because

God

knows

what

is

best

I

know

sometimes

and

in

some

situations

having

faith

in

God

may

seem

absurd

but

God

always

knows

what

is

best

for

us

Isaiah

Cheryl

September

at

Thanks

for

your

artical

I

am

a

believer

in

the

word

of

God

and

lately

been

questioning

the

gift

of

tongues

being

used

in

the

church

today

This

babble

gibberish

kind

of

tongue

From

my

early

Christian

life

it

has

been

around

me

and

other

believers

have

tried

to

push

this

on

me

and

go

as

far

as

claiming

if

I

dont

have

this

gift

then

I

am

not

filled

with

the

Spirit

I

believe

now

that

this

gift

was

used

in

the

early

church

to

manifest

God

to

unbelievers

and

it

was

an

actual

language

that

people

could

understand

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Marchello

September

at

What

Cheryl

said

I

believe

now

that

this

gift

was

used

in

the

early

church

to

manifest

God

to

unbelievers

and

it

was

an

actual

language

that

people

could

understand

if

they

were

of

a

different

speaking

language

where

the

truth

of

Christ

was

being

preached

What

the

Bible

says

For

he

who

speaks

in

a

tongue

DOES

NOT

SPEAK

TO

MEN

but

to

God

for

no

one

understands

him

however

in

the

spirit

he

speaks

mysteries

Corinthians

Who

will

you

believe

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Anonymous

October

at

See

the

explanations

below

for

a

discussion

on

Cor

with

respect

to

real

language

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Kavik

September

at

Youre

sort

of

describing

the

classic

scenario

for

tongues

yes

you

will

hear

a

great

deal

of

repetition

thats

very

characteristic

of

tongues

speech

the

repetition

of

syllables

It

sounds

a

bit

lyrical

because

unlike

English

the

typical

syllable

structure

is

open

that

is

the

structure

is

consonantvowelconsonantvowel

CVCVCV

etc

This

type

of

structure

and

the

fact

that

the

sounds

being

produced

are

the

ones

that

require

the

least

amount

of

physiological

effort

are

what

lend

to

the

sometimes

singsonglyrical

quality

to

tongues

speech

An

elevated

level

of

stress

can

induce

tonguespeech

its

in

part

a

stress

reliever

Tongues

in

most

culturesspiritual

paths

that

use

them

are

a

tool

for

establishing

a

closer

relationship

with

the

divine

What

you

describe

is

rather

typical

of

the

phenomenon

The

tongues

experience

is

real

and

for

many

it

can

be

quite

a

powerful

one

but

the

tongues

themselves

are

entirely

selfproduced

Theres

really

no

such

thing

as

realfalse

tongues

random

free

vocalization

is

random

free

vocalization

theres

nothing

to

fake

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Lisa

September

at

I

dont

know

about

the

people

you

tested

but

I

do

know

I

didnt

learn

it

I

can

also

hear

a

repetition

sometimes

as

if

it

was

a

song

as

well

as

having

inflections

and

being

lyrical

I

dont

do

it

much

and

have

been

surprised

that

at

a

very

stressful

time

when

I

intended

to

pray

aloud

in

english

I

was

taken

by

surprise

when

tongues

poured

out

instead

Also

while

speaking

or

praying

a

well

of

emotion

I

was

unprepared

for

or

expected

surfaces

and

it

is

like

coming

from

some

deep

reserve

within

me

When

this

occurs

there

is

a

sensation

of

having

connected

and

communicated

with

God

And

since

its

Gods

Spirit

within

why

wouldnt

it

be

universal

and

not

limited

to

just

Christians

if

He

is

God

of

all

To

me

thats

more

evidence

of

the

reality

of

tongues

and

of

God

Furthermore

I

suspect

you

never

actually

spoke

sang

or

prayed

in

real

tongues

but

false

tongues

you

tried

to

emulate

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Dave

Post

author

September

at

Hi

Lisa

I

have

a

couple

of

questions

if

thats

OK

with

you

How

do

you

know

that

you

did

not

simply

pick

it

up

naturally

by

being

in

the

environment

where

it

happens

As

an

example

of

what

I

mean

if

you

hear

me

speak

then

you

will

detect

a

distinct

accent

It

tells

you

immediately

where

I

come

from

or

where

I

live

I

did

not

learn

this

accent

or

even

make

a

conscious

decision

to

acquire

it

There

are

many

things

that

we

pickup

like

this

how

we

behave

how

we

choose

to

dress

the

words

we

use

etc

so

how

do

you

eliminate

this

as

an

explanation

What

does

the

term

real

tongues

mean

and

how

does

it

differ

from

what

you

consider

to

be

false

tongues

If

indeed

people

can

and

do

acquire

the

ability

to

speak

in

tongues

quite

naturally

and

as

part

of

the

process

it

invokes

emotions

and

feelings

yet

they

also

dont

actually

believe

in

anything

supernatural

or

even

hold

any

specific

religious

beliefs

then

how

do

you

differentiate

between

these

categories

Is

it

in

any

way

meaningful

to

prefix

it

with

the

words

real

or

fake

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Anonymous

September

at

HI

lisa

How

did

you

get

to

know

about

speaking

in

tongues

What

made

you

want

to

speak

in

tongues

Were

you

told

that

whoever

believes

can

do

what

the

apostles

did

Mark

And

these

signs

will

accompany

those

who

believe

In

My

name

they

will

drive

out

demons

they

will

speak

in

new

tongues

they

will

pick

up

snakes

with

their

hands

and

if

they

drink

any

deadly

poison

it

will

not

harm

them

they

will

lay

their

hands

on

the

sick

and

they

will

be

made

well

After

the

Lord

Jesus

had

spoken

to

them

He

was

taken

up

into

heaven

and

sat

down

at

the

right

hand

of

God

IF

YOU

CAN

SPEAK

IN

TONGUES

THEN

YOU

CAN

DO

ALL

THE

ABOVE

HAVE

YOU

GOT

THE

GIFT

OF

HEALING

CAN

YOU

WALK

INTO

ANY

HOSPITAL

AND

HEAL

PEOPLE

LIKE

THE

APOSTLES

DID

IF

NOT

WHY

NOT

ACCORDING

TO

SCRIPTURE

YOU

SHOULD

BE

ABLE

TO

DO

ALL

THAT

JESUS

SAID

ONE

CAN

DO

Pingback

Weekly

Weird

News

Skeptical

Science

Reuben

Giles

August

at

Coríntios

For

the

natural

man

is

not

able

to

take

in

the

things

of

the

Spirit

of

God

for

they

seem

foolish

to

him

and

he

is

not

able

to

have

knowledge

of

them

because

such

knowledge

comes

only

through

the

Spirit

But

he

who

has

the

Spirit

though

judging

all

things

is

himself

judged

by

no

one

For

who

has

knowledge

of

the

mind

of

the

Lord

so

as

to

be

his

teacher

But

we

have

the

mind

of

Christ

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Dave

Post

author

August

at

Corinthians

Wherefore

tongues

are

for

a

sign

not

to

them

that

believe

but

to

them

that

believe

not

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mario

August

at

Hi

Dave

Who

were

the

sign

gifts

for

Exodus

Moses

first

SIGN

FOR

THE

JEWS

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to

serpent

and

hand

to

leper

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FOR

THE

JEWS

and

Greek

require

knowlwdge

was

it

not

for

the

Jews

The

nation

of

Israel

always

required

a

sign

Mark

Later

He

appeared

to

the

eleven

as

they

sat

at

the

table

and

He

rebuked

their

unbelief

and

hardness

of

heart

because

they

did

not

believe

those

who

had

seen

Him

after

He

had

risen

And

He

said

to

them

Go

into

all

the

world

and

preach

the

gospel

to

every

creature

He

who

believes

and

is

baptized

will

be

saved

but

he

who

does

not

believe

will

be

condemned

And

these

signs

will

follow

those

who

dbelieve

In

My

name

they

will

cast

out

demons

they

will

speak

with

new

tongues

theye

Read

the

whole

chapter

who

were

the

unbelievers

The

Apostles

themselves

Who

had

to

believe

that

the

sign

gifts

would

happen

The

Apostles

Corinthians

for

the

SIGN

GIFTS

were

for

the

unbelieving

Jews

Corinthians

Truly

the

signs

of

an

apostle

were

accomplished

among

you

with

all

perseverance

in

signs

and

wonders

and

mighty

deeds

SIGNS

OF

THE

APOSTLES

NOT

OURS

Dave

Post

author

August

at

Hi

Mario

I

have

a

question

Countless

numbers

of

people

read

the

bible

As

they

do

so

they

glean

an

understanding

from

that

We

know

that

there

is

a

vast

diversity

of

conclusions

given

the

vast

diversity

of

beliefs

that

exist

This

diversity

of

understanding

is

not

just

random

but

often

is

by

people

who

dedicate

their

lives

to

their

specific

variation

of

belief

You

have

specific

beliefs

and

will

of

course

happily

quote

references

for

it

so

my

question

is

this

How

do

you

know

that

your

specific

interpretation

is

correct

I

do

of

course

understand

that

you

believe

it

is

and

of

course

I

also

understand

that

you

are

confident

that

it

is

In

a

world

where

many

will

read

the

exact

same

texts

and

reach

completely

different

conclusions

what

is

the

mechanism

you

use

to

determine

that

your

specific

conclusions

are

the

correct

ones

and

how

do

you

verify

that

it

is

correct

Dave

mario

September

at

Hi

Dave

I

have

a

question

VERY

GOOD

QUESTION

I

BELIEVE

THAT

THE

HOLY

SPIRIT

WILL

REVEAL

THE

TRUTH

OF

GODS

WORD

AS

YOU

STUDY

AND

READ

THE

INSPIRED

OF

GOD

YOURSELF

AND

RELY

ON

THE

HOLY

SPIRIT

TO

GUILD

YOU

IN

GENERAL

WE

ARE

LAZY

AND

ACCEPT

EVERY

THING

A

PASTOR

OR

EVANGELIST

SAYS

WHY

SHOULD

WE

DO

THIS

REMEMBER

WHEN

YOU

WERE

AT

SUNDAY

SCHOOL

ONE

WAS

TAUGHT

ADAM

AND

EVE

EAT

AN

APPLE

DELILAH

CUT

SAMSONS

HAIR

AND

THE

ANIMALS

WENT

INTO

THE

ARK

TWO

BY

TWO

ALL

SOUNDS

SO

TRUE

EVEN

ADULTS

TODAY

BELIEVE

THIS

BUT

I

AM

SURE

YOU

KNOW

THAT

Do

your

best

to

present

yourself

to

God

as

one

approved

a

workman

who

does

not

need

to

be

ashamed

and

who

correctly

handles

the

word

of

truth

Timothy

Does

the

Bible

contain

some

difficult

passages

Yes

Are

they

unresolvable

No

Whenever

a

critic

or

sincere

believer

comes

across

an

alleged

Bible

difficulty

it

has

always

been

answered

All

Scripture

is

Godbreathed

and

is

useful

for

teaching

rebuking

correcting

and

training

in

righteousness

Timothy

Countless

numbers

of

people

read

the

bible

As

they

do

so

they

glean

an

understanding

from

that

We

know

that

there

is

a

vast

diversity

of

conclusions

given

the

vast

diversity

of

beliefs

that

exist

This

diversity

of

understanding

is

not

just

random

but

often

is

by

people

who

dedicate

their

lives

to

their

specific

variation

of

belief

YES

I

AGREE

Think

of

it

this

way

In

every

trial

the

defense

the

prosecution

and

each

member

of

the

jury

all

have

an

equal

opportunity

to

examine

the

facts

Each

of

these

parties

may

see

those

facts

from

a

different

angle

But

in

the

final

analysis

there

is

only

one

truth

about

what

really

happened

A

similar

observation

applies

here

You

have

specific

beliefs

and

will

of

course

happily

quote

references

for

it

so

my

question

is

this

How

do

you

know

that

your

specific

interpretation

is

correct

GOD

HAS

SHOWN

ME

THROUGH

HIS

GRACE

THAT

WHEN

I

HEAR

CERTAIN

SERMONS

OR

HEAR

OF

HEALINGS

AND

MIRACLES

THAT

ARE

NOT

ACCORDING

TO

THE

TRUTH

AS

PRESENTED

IN

THE

BIBLE

I

THEN

FURTHER

READ

THE

WORD

AND

OTHER

VERSIONS

OF

THE

WORD

AND

AS

ONE

READS

THE

WORD

ONES

EYES

ARE

OPENED

AND

ONE

SEE

THE

TRUE

MEANING

I

do

of

course

understand

that

you

believe

it

is

and

of

course

I

also

understand

that

you

are

confident

that

it

is

In

a

world

where

many

will

read

the

exact

same

texts

and

reach

completely

different

conclusions

YES

BUT

UNFORTUNATELY

AS

YOU

KNOW

THAT

THERE

ARE

MANY

FALSE

TEACHERS

PROPHETS

AND

PASTORS

THAT

ACTUALLY

KNOW

THE

CORRECT

INTERPRETATION

OF

SCRIPTURE

BUT

TWIST

IT

FOR

THERE

OWN

GAIN

THIS

LIKE

SUNDAY

SCHOOL

THE

PEOPLE

A

LIE

AND

AS

THEY

SAY

A

LIE

TOLD

OVER

AND

OVER

AGAIN

BECOMES

THE

TRUTH

TO

THE

PERSON

what

is

the

mechanism

you

use

to

determine

that

your

specific

conclusions

are

the

correct

ones

and

how

do

you

verify

that

it

is

correct

LOTS

OF

WHAT

IS

ON

YOU

TUBE

AND

BOOKS

WRITTEN

BY

PEOPLE

ARE

WRITTEN

WITH

THE

MINDSET

OF

WHAT

THEY

WERE

TAUGHT

OR

THEIR

TRADITION

OR

THEIR

UPBRINGING

WITHOUT

A

SECOND

THOUGHT

IF

ITS

RIGHT

OR

WRONG

WE

HAS

TO

TEST

ALL

THINGS

THAT

MEANS

WHEN

ONE

GETS

A

DIFFICULT

OR

HEARS

OTHERS

PEOPLES

MEANINGS

OF

THE

SAME

SCRIPTURES

ONE

HAS

TO

EXAMINE

FOR

HIMSELF

AND

LET

THE

HOLY

SPIRIT

GUILD

US

TO

THE

TRUTH

Dave

we

are

not

perfect

but

its

amazing

just

like

when

you

are

about

to

sin

you

get

that

small

voice

which

gives

you

the

opportunity

to

sin

or

not

The

choice

becomes

yours

IF

WE

LIVE

A

LIFE

WITH

ALL

THESE

SO

CALLED

VARIOUS

VERSIONS

OF

THE

BIBLE

IT

MAKES

IT

VERY

DIFFICULT

TO

DIFFERENTIATE

THE

TRUTH

FROM

THE

LIES

WE

HAVE

TO

DEPEND

ON

THE

HOLY

SPIRIT

TO

SHOW

US

THE

TRUTH

IN

THE

WORD

Mario

Anonymous

August

at

I

always

wondered

if

speaking

in

tongues

originally

wasnt

simply

people

preaching

in

a

language

the

speaker

knew

but

the

audience

didnt

know

Sort

of

Look

we

appreciate

your

enthusiasm

but

we

think

it

would

really

work

better

if

people

understood

what

youre

saying

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Anonymous

October

at

The

first

norwegian

missionary

til

Greenland

Hans

Egede

is

indeed

rumoured

to

have

been

speaking

to

hghe

native

inuits

for

hours

in

danish

without

anyone

understanding

what

he

was

saying

He

used

years

before

his

first

baptism

because

he

wasnt

sure

they

understood

what

his

teaching

was

He

ended

as

bisjop

of

Greenland

and

hopefully

learned

their

language

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Anonymous

August

at

Thank

you

so

much

for

helping

me

understand

that

is

pretty

much

what

I

thought

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MJJ

August

at

As

I

understand

it

speaking

in

tongues

is

supposed

to

be

simply

a

miraculous

ability

to

speak

a

previously

unlearned

foreign

language

and

because

its

a

miracle

it

is

supposed

to

convince

skeptics

that

God

exists

But

every

time

this

miracle

is

tested

under

controlled

conditions

it

is

found

that

no

foreign

language

is

being

spoken

its

just

jibberish

to

which

the

tongue

talkers

say

oh

it

must

be

a

heavenly

language

Give

me

a

break

That

means

its

unfalsifiable

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tgbx

August

at

I

love

how

these

science

and

biologyilliterate

theists

post

their

own

personal

experience

about

the

time

they

were

worked

up

into

a

psychological

frenzy

and

out

of

control

which

is

how

they

know

exactly

what

it

is

And

despite

the

fact

it

occurs

in

multiple

religions

and

can

be

replicated

by

nonbelievers

Theyve

literally

admitted

that

they

were

not

in

their

right

mind

and

therefore

their

recollection

interpretation

and

understanding

can

not

be

trusted

Aside

from

this

we

have

absolutely

no

independent

access

to

the

events

its

just

what

they

want

to

tell

us

based

on

the

unreliable

memory

of

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aaquadrat

August

at

tgbx

There

is

no

seizure

and

usually

no

frenzyout

of

control

connected

to

tongues

However

it

supposedly

changing

the

state

of

the

brain

saying

it

a

bit

naively

and

speculatively

from

a

left

hemispheredominated

mode

to

a

right

hemispheredominated

mode

entering

creative

and

symbolic

realms

of

thinking

Solutions

and

insights

that

are

inaccessible

in

everyday

mode

might

emerge

Possibly

connections

to

a

spiritual

realm

open

Lets

liken

it

to

alternate

states

reached

through

meditation

or

shamanism

although

I

have

no

experience

with

either

of

them

What

is

more

relevant

than

the

interpretation

of

tongues

as

heavenly

languages

from

God

is

the

way

it

is

used

in

the

Christian

contexts

and

the

effects

it

is

having

on

peoples

lives

see

witnesses

in

other

comments

Loading

Simone

August

at

Tongues

is

a

real

gift

from

God

I

am

a

witness

An

elderly

American

woman

praying

in

tongues

in

our

prayer

group

was

heard

by

a

Philipino

woman

in

the

group

speaking

her

language

The

American

lady

had

never

been

to

the

Philippines

nor

did

she

know

the

language

The

Philipino

lady

gave

us

the

translation

of

what

she

was

praying

for

which

was

a

woman

who

was

desperate

and

wanted

to

kill

her

children

then

herself

Two

weeks

later

a

woman

was

brought

to

our

church

by

a

church

member

who

had

met

her

in

a

grocery

store

The

The

elderly

lady

has

since

passed

on

but

the

Philipino

lady

is

still

alive

and

the

other

witnesses

to

this

amazing

story

It

is

true

This

is

not

the

only

story

like

this

I

have

heard

many

It

happens

all

the

time

Your

scientific

research

has

not

gone

very

far

at

all

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Jim

June

at

My

good

friend

I

find

it

interesting

that

with

one

broad

brush

stoke

you

have

dismissed

speaking

in

tongues

because

of

your

personal

experience

backed

up

with

dubious

scientific

research

that

is

merely

sampling

If

I

went

to

Africa

and

tasted

the

food

available

there

and

through

my

own

experience

concluded

that

it

tasted

very

bland

I

could

return

to

America

and

convince

those

who

trust

me

that

the

food

is

tasteless

On

the

other

hand

if

I

was

to

bring

someone

from

Africa

to

my

home

and

feed

them

they

would

comment

that

the

food

was

prepared

well

but

Loading

Dave

Post

author

June

at

Hi

Jim

How

do

you

work

out

when

it

is

supernatural

and

truly

authentic

and

when

it

is

fake

and

people

are

simply

fooling

themselves

Dave

Loading

Anonymous

June

at

Im

a

born

again

Christian

my

therapist

and

I

talk

about

speaking

in

tongues

I

agree

some

do

it

and

its

not

the

Spirit

however

studies

done

on

the

brain

show

that

werew

not

in

control

I

myself

have

had

something

so

powerful

come

over

me

I

cant

control

it

and

I

speak

in

tongues

that

I

cant

even

try

to

repeat

there

is

power

there

God

Bless

Loading

mario

June

at

Im

a

born

again

Christian

my

therapist

and

I

talk

about

speaking

in

tongues

I

agree

some

do

it

and

its

not

the

Spirit

HOW

CAN

ONE

TELL

IF

ITS

NOT

THE

SPIRIT

WHICH

SPIRIT

IS

IT

OR

CAN

IT

BE

A

LEARNT

BEHAVIOR

however

studies

done

on

the

brain

show

that

were

not

in

control

THESE

TESTS

PROVE

WHAT

THAT

THE

PERSON

WAS

NOT

IN

CONTROLDOES

THE

BIBLE

NOT

SAY

WE

MUST

BE

IN

CONTROL

ALWAYS

IF

THE

PERSON

WAS

NOT

IN

CONTROL

WHAT

WAS

CONTROLLING

HIS

MIND

GODS

SPIRIT

OR

ANOTHER

SPIRIT

YOU

WOULD

NOT

KNOW

AS

YOU

DO

NOT

UNDERSTAND

WHAT

YOU

ARE

SAYING

COULD

YOU

BE

WORSHIPING

OR

CAUSING

GOD

YOU

WOULD

NOT

KNOW

I

myself

have

had

something

so

powerful

come

over

me

I

cant

control

it

and

I

speak

in

tongues

that

I

cant

even

try

to

repeat

there

is

power

there

WHAT

WAS

TONGUES

FOR

WHY

DO

YOU

SPEAK

IN

TONGUES

HOW

CAN

ONE

LET

UNKNOWN

POWERS

COME

INTO

ONES

BODY

WHATS

YOUR

REASON

FOR

WANTING

TO

SPEAK

IN

TONGUES

God

Bless

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Kavik

May

at

Should

have

added

to

the

above

Thus

the

results

are

more

or

less

what

one

would

expect

ie

language

producing

centers

of

the

brain

not

overly

active

in

the

production

of

tongues

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Crystal

May

at

I

know

this

an

older

post

But

Im

doing

some

research

on

speaking

in

tongues

Im

hoping

you

may

have

a

response

to

this

you

tube

video

httpyoutubeNZbQBajYnEc

Thanks

for

your

input

Loading

Kavik

May

at

Im

pretty

sure

that

this

was

commented

on

in

the

thread

below

but

I

would

argue

that

the

study

is

somewhat

inconclusive

and

can

be

skewed

to

support

either

a

pro

or

con

argument

For

me

the

reason

the

language

producing

centers

of

the

brain

are

not

overly

engaged

in

the

production

of

tonguesglossolalia

is

simply

because

its

not

language

its

noncognitive

nonlanguage

utterance

essentially

random

free

vocalization

random

but

limited

to

the

constraints

of

phonemic

inventory

of

the

speakerso

theres

no

need

for

the

language

producing

centers

to

be

overly

active

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Anonymous

May

at

Reply

Marchello

A

major

point

my

friend

Mario

keeps

missing

is

what

is

the

fruit

of

this

tongue

speaking

WAS

IT

LAUGHTER

CRYING

FOR

SHOUTING

FOR

JOY

And

for

me

receiving

the

Holy

Spirit

SO

BY

RECEIVING

THE

HOLY

SPIRIT

YOU

MEAN

THAT

YOU

RECEIVED

THE

SPIRIT

BY

THE

EVIDENCE

OF

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

included

healing

from

desires

for

drugs

alcohol

cigarettes

swearing

obsession

with

sex

and

basically

a

hedonistic

lifestyle

all

replaced

with

an

admiration

and

love

for

Jesus

Christ

and

sharing

his

message

of

love

and

forgiveness

and

that

the

power

of

the

Holy

Spirit

for

the

early

believers

is

Loading

Marchello

May

at

God

has

equipped

humans

with

a

great

range

of

emotions

so

we

shouldnt

be

afraid

of

joy

or

sadness

in

our

lives

or

experiences

with

GodHoly

SpiritJesus

Christ

We

are

humans

not

robots

not

yet

anyway

Remember

King

David

let

it

all

hang

out

as

he

danced

and

sang

on

his

way

back

to

Israel

with

the

ark

And

I

do

think

emotions

were

running

high

on

the

day

of

Pentecost

when

the

Holy

Spirit

was

first

poured

out

There

would

have

been

great

joy

and

laughter

I

believe

Of

course

Paul

warned

that

the

church

meetings

should

be

done

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Amanda

May

at

Im

a

highly

sensitive

person

and

was

diagnosed

at

as

clinically

depressed

I

was

raised

Catholic

and

have

been

to

friends

churches

where

they

practiced

tounges

but

it

scared

me

it

wasnt

something

common

for

me

to

see

During

one

night

alone

in

bed

crying

feeling

at

an

all

time

low

I

started

speaking

tounges

It

was

as

if

it

bursted

from

my

mouth

I

was

laughing

and

crying

and

had

no

idea

what

was

coming

out

of

my

mouth

but

it

just

kept

flowing

out

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I

felt

at

peace

but

kind

of

scared

at

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not

go

by

experiences

feelings

and

emotions

WHY

because

the

change

all

the

time

and

you

will

act

differently

at

different

times

What

did

you

get

out

of

that

experience

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did

the

tongues

do

for

you

Did

you

understand

them

Is

there

an

example

in

the

bible

that

made

the

people

that

spoke

in

tongues

cry

and

laugh

at

something

that

is

supposed

to

glorify

and

praise

God

One

must

aware

that

there

are

false

tongues

and

true

tongues

One

should

be

careful

wanting

to

do

or

doing

what

other

people

do

without

knowing

the

subject

matter

God

is

always

with

you

he

lives

in

you

you

can

not

get

closer

or

further

away

from

God

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at

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if

Roman

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praise

God

from

within

the

heart

and

their

inner

intent

to

praise

GOD

but

through

the

Apostles

and

the

virgin

Mary

they

also

now

speak

in

tongues

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ACCORDING

TO

YOU

GOD

SEES

THEIR

HEART

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God

WILL

ACCEPT

THEIR

INNER

INTENT

TO

WORSHIP

HIM

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is

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gODS

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will

accept

all

their

prays

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their

inner

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March

at

I

disagree

with

tongues

not

being

real

I

am

a

highly

educated

woman

who

studied

psychology

of

religion

and

also

experimente

with

concepts

such

as

gifts

of

the

Holy

Spirit

I

have

spoken

in

tongues

In

one

case

I

started

speaking

in

tongues

and

was

curious

about

what

language

I

was

speaking

in

To

my

shock

I

found

a

book

called

the

names

of

Allah

and

discovered

those

prhases

in

the

dictionary

in

the

back

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was

essentially

saying

Halleluah

in

old

Aramaic

and

the

phrase

was

Alleluah

Alleluah

sp

All

of

creation

says

that

Meaning

all

of

Gods

creatures

are

glad

to

be

alive

and

praise

the

Lord

for

that

Another

time

when

I

was

speaking

the

same

book

helped

me

understand

why

I

was

saying

Mount

Tabor

over

and

over

again

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mount

is

in

the

Judeo

Christian

Bible

These

experiences

and

Ken

Wilburs

comments

on

tongues

in

some

of

his

books

helped

me

understand

that

what

is

being

dealt

with

here

is

the

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March

at

I

disagree

with

tongues

not

being

real

WHAT

ARE

THE

BIBLE

VERSES

THAT

YOU

ARE

USING

THAT

DETERMINES

IN

YOUR

MIND

THAT

TONGUES

ARE

REAL

I

am

a

highly

educated

woman

who

studied

psychology

of

religion

and

also

experimente

with

concepts

such

as

gifts

of

the

Holy

Spirit

I

have

spoken

in

tongues

DO

YOU

KNOW

THAT

THERE

ARE

REAL

HOLY

SPIRIT

TONGUES

AND

THERE

IS

COUNTERFEIT

TONGUES

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TONGUES

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one

case

I

started

speaking

in

tongues

and

was

curious

about

what

language

I

was

speaking

in

SO

THE

HOLY

SPIRIT

DID

NOT

GIVE

YOU

THE

INTERPRETATION

HOW

LONG

WOULD

YOU

NOT

BE

CONCERNED

IF

YOU

MAY

BE

CURSING

GOD

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WOULD

YOU

NOT

BE

CONCERNED

IF

YOU

MAY

BE

CURSING

GOD

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fact

no

I

would

not

be

concerned

if

someone

interpreted

my

utterances

as

cursing

God

when

my

deepest

intention

was

to

praise

him

or

be

near

to

him

Doesnt

the

Bible

over

and

over

stress

that

God

sees

beyond

the

appearance

and

looks

into

the

heart

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doesnt

he

reveal

to

Samuel

in

Samuel

Man

looks

at

the

outward

appearance

but

the

Lord

looks

at

the

heart

What

is

your

image

of

God

Are

you

arguing

from

a

fearbased

conception

of

God

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Teresa

March

at

Well

said

My

adult

daughter

enter

into

a

pentecostal

revival

church

She

really

thinks

she

was

lead

from

God

to

join

this

group

They

believe

all

members

have

the

gifts

of

tongues

Many

years

ago

i

was

caught

up

into

this

and

i

am

grateful

that

I

fell

out

of

this

It

was

too

emotional

and

draining

It

unsettled

my

true

spirit

My

question

is

how

can

i

saved

my

daughter

from

being

mislead

My

wish

is

to

have

my

real

daughter

back

Her

real

self

I

trried

to

talk

with

her

but

we

always

argue

Now

I

dont

bring

up

the

topic

and

I

hope

she

wakes

up

to

the

truth

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advise

is

much

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you

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March

at

Your

daughter

has

a

basic

human

right

to

follow

whichever

religion

she

chooses

If

she

was

living

a

homosexual

life

and

you

disagreed

would

you

post

online

that

you

want

her

to

stop

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February

at

Reply

Marchello

February

at

I

agree

with

you

we

could

debate

for

the

next

generation

but

one

is

for

sure

Gods

Word

Many

people

have

come

and

gone

with

their

theories

and

different

movements

throughout

the

centuries

But

have

you

read

the

Word

for

yourself

Acts

and

Corinthians

By

reading

the

Word

yourself

without

the

influence

of

all

these

comments

which

at

first

you

thought

it

to

be

true

and

later

you

see

that

it

was

false

doctrine

Lets

stick

to

the

gospel

Christ

came

as

a

human

baptized

by

John

the

Baptist

shared

his

blood

on

the

cross

and

was

raised

from

the

death

and

sits

at

the

right

hand

of

the

Father

Experiences

feeling

and

emotions

can

lead

us

astray

but

by

Grace

though

Faith

we

can

stand

for

righteousness

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February

at

If

tounges

were

real

I

would

like

to

see

a

group

of

speakers

simultaneously

utter

the

same

syllables

in

their

unknown

language

As

a

practitioner

who

has

paced

prayer

rooms

with

dozens

of

fellow

tounge

talkers

I

can

accurately

say

this

never

happens

Another

good

test

would

be

to

have

two

interpreters

in

separate

rooms

after

a

tounge

message

is

given

separately

and

compare

the

interpretation

If

the

same

interpretation

were

given

then

that

would

be

significant

But

I

suspect

the

two

interpretations

given

by

the

spirit

would

be

radically

different

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at

Doug

what

do

you

mean

by

tongues

were

real

They

are

real

But

with

near

certainty

they

are

not

languages

in

the

sense

of

human

languages

with

grammar

vocabulary

etc

There

are

gazillian

forms

of

expression

and

communication

that

do

not

involve

fullfledged

human

languages

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February

at

If

the

Pentecostal

church

members

often

speak

in

tongues

then

why

is

it

never

done

in

Baptist

Catholic

Methodist

Presbyterian

and

many

other

mainstream

churches

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at

APART

FROM

PENTECOSTALS

THESE

OTHER

RELIGIONS

ALSO

SPEAK

IN

TONGUES

WHY

DO

THE

TONGUES

SOUND

THE

SAME

AS

PAGAN

BELIEVERS

TONGUES

SPEAKERS

ALSO

INCLUDE

Assemblies

of

God

United

Pentecostal

Church

International

Church

of

God

Cleveland

The

Salvation

Army

and

the

Greek

Orthodox

Church

Buddhism

Hinduism

Major

World

Religions

Muslims

The

Church

of

Jesus

Christ

Church

of

Jesus

Christ

Christ

of

Latter

Day

Saints

North

Borneo

priestesses

chant

incantations

to

a

Gusi

in

a

language

of

the

spirit

world

In

Micronesia

and

the

Solomon

Islands

priests

and

priestesses

open

themselves

to

having

spirits

speak

through

them

in

the

language

of

the

spirit

world

Yanagide

of

Moji

City

and

the

Zar

cult

in

Ethiopia

practice

speaking

in

tongues

Like

shamans

practitioners

of

voodoo

speak

in

tongues

during

their

rituals

The

Quillancinga

and

Pasto

groups

of

the

Andes

tribes

recite

prayers

in

unknown

languages

during

healing

as

well

COULD

THE

ESTIMATED

MILLION

TONGUE

SPEAKERS

TODAY

BE

WRONG

TONGUES

EXISTED

OF

YEARS

BEFORE

THE

PENTECOSTAL

TONGUES

TODAY

Tongues

as

we

see

it

today

did

not

come

about

as

a

result

of

studying

the

Bible

It

just

out

of

the

blue

happened

It

should

be

of

extreme

concern

to

all

Christians

because

as

already

shown

it

is

not

uniquely

a

Christian

practice

by

any

means

Various

studies

have

revealed

that

speaking

in

tongues

is

present

in

nonChristian

religions

all

around

the

world

It

is

practiced

in

China

Japan

Korea

Malaysia

Indonesia

Siberia

Arabia

Burma

and

Arctic

regions

just

to

name

a

few

Glossolalia

is

found

among

the

Eskimos

Japanese

séances

in

Hokkaido

in

a

small

cult

led

by

WHO

HAS

THE

COUNTERFEIT

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February

at

As

this

discussion

continues

into

another

year

of

circular

arguments

for

and

against

tongues

its

important

to

note

that

some

commentators

come

from

a

dead

form

of

Christianity

known

as

cessationism

These

are

so

called

Christians

who

the

Bible

warns

about

having

a

form

of

godliness

but

deny

the

power

thereof

In

Jack

Deeres

intriguing

book

Surprised

by

the

Power

of

the

Spirit

he

suggests

the

following

hypothetical

situation

and

result

If

you

were

to

lock

a

brandnew

Christian

in

a

room

with

a

Bible

and

tell

him

to

study

what

the

Scriptures

have

to

say

about

healing

and

miracles

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February

at

Hi

Marchello

In

Jack

Deeres

intriguing

book

Surprised

by

the

Power

of

the

Spirit

he

suggests

the

following

hypothetical

situation

and

result

If

you

were

to

lock

a

brandnew

Christian

in

a

room

with

a

Bible

and

tell

him

to

study

what

the

Scriptures

have

to

say

about

healing

and

miracles

he

would

never

come

out

of

the

room

a

cessationist

BEING

LOCKED

IN

A

ROOM

WITH

THE

BIBLE

WOULD

HE

START

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

AND

HEAL

PEOPLE

AND

SEE

MIRACLES

Marchello

February

at

Hi

Mario

As

I

said

and

its

rather

boring

now

these

arguments

will

no

doubt

continue

for

years

to

come

lol

Ive

previously

provided

you

with

information

from

Church

history

involving

famous

Christians

and

Holy

Ghost

Revivals

that

the

dwindling

number

of

cessationists

must

either

ignore

or

attempt

to

rewrite

to

fit

their

heretical

viewpoint

The

following

is

unashamedly

copied

and

pasted

from

httppneumareviewcomansweringthecessationistscaseagainstcontinuingspiritualgifts

Many

good

books

have

been

produced

showing

the

frequent

outbreak

of

miracles

and

spiritual

gifts

throughout

church

history

See

also

the

excellent

series

by

Richard

Riss

entitled

Tongues

and

Other

Miraculous

Gifts

from

the

to

Centuries

which

appeared

in

the

first

five

issue

of

the

Pneuma

Review

Fall

Vol

No

through

Fall

Vol

No

We

will

offer

only

three

seldomquoted

examples

of

many

hundreds

available

Chapter

of

St

Augustines

City

of

God

is

devoted

to

the

story

of

how

Augustine

himself

became

a

full

blown

charismatic

after

being

a

bit

of

a

theological

cessationist

He

repudiates

his

previous

position

and

provides

examples

of

over

seventy

miracles

he

recorded

in

and

around

his

churches

Augustine

complains

in

section

that

contemporary

miracles

are

relatively

unknown

not

because

they

no

longer

occur

but

simply

because

of

bad

communication

and

because

people

are

conditioned

to

disbelieve

them

Pope

Gregory

VI

in

writing

about

the

successful

evangelism

of

Britain

enthused

great

miracles

imitate

powers

of

the

apostles

in

the

signs

they

perform

Much

later

Luther

seems

to

have

undergone

a

similar

conversion

to

that

of

Augustine

toward

the

end

of

his

life

Mario

please

apprise

me

of

ANY

cessationists

held

in

higher

esteem

than

Augustine

or

Luther

in

Christian

history

To

all

you

readers

like

it

or

not

spiritual

gifts

as

mystifying

and

strange

as

they

are

have

always

been

part

of

the

true

Christian

church

from

its

birth

at

Pentecost

through

to

today

Sure

there

have

been

cults

and

extreme

unscriptural

behavior

as

with

any

religion

and

people

who

lose

their

faith

But

Charismatic

Christianity

has

a

well

recorded

history

and

of

you

scientists

and

sceptics

can

change

that

Go

do

some

more

research

Marchello

Anonymous

December

at

I

totally

agree

I

did

not

believe

in

God

did

not

attend

Church

never

read

the

Bible

Wanted

to

test

God

to

see

if

He

really

existed

God

seen

my

heart

that

l

truly

wanted

to

know

the

truth

and

not

being

influenced

by

anyone

at

all

Said

a

simple

prayer

asking

God

to

reveal

Himself

to

me

if

He

really

existed

and

l

was

immediately

on

my

knees

speaking

in

tongues

and

singing

in

tongues

for

over

an

hour

The

people

who

dont

believe

in

the

gifts

from

The

Holy

Ghost

will

have

their

day

to

give

an

account

Dave

Post

author

December

at

How

do

you

know

that

you

experienced

something

supernatural

from

a

god

and

did

not

simply

subconsciously

copy

those

around

you

in

the

church

doing

exactly

the

same

Please

also

supply

the

contact

details

of

this

German

couple

so

that

we

may

independently

interview

them

and

verify

this

claim

Also

advise

on

when

this

happened

and

where

test

the

spirits

to

see

whether

they

are

from

God

John

mario

December

at

But

there

were

false

prophets

also

among

the

people

even

as

there

shall

be

false

teachers

among

you

who

privily

shall

bring

in

damnable

heresies

Peter

Our

fundamental

Bible

churches

today

are

filled

with

ignorant

believers

who

view

Martin

Luther

as

a

great

hero

of

the

faith

Tragically

Martin

Luther

was

a

heretic

I

realize

this

comes

as

a

shock

to

many

Christians

but

the

proof

is

undeniable

The

Biblical

teaching

of

being

saved

by

faith

alone

is

often

attributed

to

Martin

Luther

BUT

nothing

could

be

further

from

the

truth

Indeed

Luther

and

the

other

reformers

did

challenge

the

Catholic

Church

that

sold

indulgences

and

offered

a

worksbased

type

of

salvation

However

just

because

Martin

Luther

protested

against

the

Catholic

Church

doesnt

mean

that

he

was

saved

Martin

Luther

often

taught

that

salvation

was

based

on

faith

alone

and

not

received

based

upon

a

persons

meritorious

works

however

Luthers

idea

of

faith

alone

does

not

conform

to

the

Biblical

teaching

that

baptism

is

not

required

for

salvation

While

it

is

understood

that

the

opinions

of

men

are

in

no

way

authoritative

when

it

comes

to

Gods

plan

for

salvation

it

is

nonetheless

interesting

to

note

that

Martin

Luther

believed

wholeheartedly

in

the

necessity

of

water

baptism

as

a

prerequisite

for

salvation

WHAT

WOULD

SAY

TO

THIS

Should

we

go

by

MAN

or

Gods

word

Lets

read

what

the

word

says

on

speaking

in

tongues

How

many

times

did

it

occur

in

the

Book

of

Acts

How

many

years

apart

sis

it

happened

Who

required

SIGNS

Dwight

February

at

Reading

about

what

most

of

you

believe

helps

me

understand

how

people

can

join

a

cult

I

used

to

think

wonder

how

people

can

be

so

clueless

and

just

believe

anything

but

you

all

helped

me

understand

how

people

even

today

can

be

followers

and

not

even

question

anything

Do

you

really

truly

believe

in

speaking

in

Tongue

I

mean

seriously

What

about

someone

walking

on

water

Really

Or

someone

turning

water

into

wine

I

know

of

a

lot

of

you

probably

want

to

so

banks

believe

in

something

supernatural

its

like

the

acient

Greeks

with

their

Greek

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at

Er

Dwight

it

is

not

as

simple

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speaks

about

the

repeatable

the

laws

that

we

perceive

to

hold

categorically

like

gravity

etc

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does

not

make

a

statement

about

things

that

are

not

repeatable

like

what

a

historic

person

did

or

could

have

done

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does

not

disprove

that

people

rose

from

the

dead

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assuming

the

persistence

of

the

physical

laws

at

all

times

it

does

not

even

exclude

the

possibility

of

raising

from

the

dead

it

might

only

assign

it

a

low

probability

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Russell

January

at

Wow

Dave

first

posted

this

in

July

and

it

has

generated

a

great

deal

of

passionate

response

I

just

stumbled

across

it

searching

for

relative

information

Glad

I

did

It

now

gives

me

an

opportunity

to

share

my

thoughts

and

experience

I

am

a

practicing

Christian

I

was

born

and

raised

Catholic

and

as

a

young

adult

gravitated

to

various

Protestant

denominational

ideas

and

ultimately

pentecostalism

where

I

too

believed

that

tongues

were

actually

being

spoken

and

that

I

too

did

on

few

occassions

Prayerfully

I

asked

God

for

guidance

and

wisdom

on

the

matter

that

so

many

seem

Loading

Kavik

January

at

Mike

I

guess

the

Apostle

Paul

was

deluded

when

he

said

that

he

was

glad

that

he

spoke

more

in

tongues

than

others

Someone

should

have

told

him

it

was

all

in

his

mind

and

make

believe

As

someone

already

alluded

to

Paul

was

for

his

time

anyway

a

world

traveler

He

was

most

likely

familiar

with

several

languages

though

quite

frankly

he

could

have

travelled

just

about

anywhere

in

the

Mediterranean

basin

knowing

just

two

Greek

and

Latin

He

was

simply

stating

that

he

was

glad

that

he

spoke

more

languages

than

most

people

he

was

addressing

Being

multilingual

would

allow

him

to

spread

the

message

of

Christianity

to

more

people

in

their

native

language

or

should

I

say

native

tongue

Carole

Some

tongues

languages

are

recognizable

My

mum

gave

a

message

in

tongues

at

a

Sunday

meeting

and

there

were

a

couple

who

had

lived

in

Africa

they

said

she

had

an

African

dialect

Tongues

of

angels

and

of

men

One

chap

in

our

meeting

though

not

entirely

all

in

the

French

language

gives

messages

in

tongues

and

I

recognize

some

words

as

French

as

I

learned

it

at

school

Unfortunately

most

accounts

of

tongues

coming

out

as

real

language

are

all

anecdotal

at

best

It

is

almost

inevitable

that

if

someone

were

producing

random

free

vocalization

a

few

of

their

words

are

going

to

be

real

words

in

a

language

spoken

somewhere

That

does

not

equate

with

that

person

being

able

to

speak

that

language

If

one

of

the

syllables

uttered

were

say

apa

it

doesnt

mean

anything

in

English

but

Id

be

willing

to

bet

that

it

means

something

in

probably

several

if

not

more

real

languages

spoken

somewhere

Sort

of

something

akin

to

the

old

saying

sit

monkeys

in

front

of

typewriters

for

years

and

one

will

turn

out

the

works

of

Shakespeare

There

are

just

too

many

variables

that

could

easily

explain

these

situations

Did

the

couple

from

Africa

simply

state

that

what

was

being

produced

sounded

like

an

African

language

or

was

an

actual

African

language

ie

did

they

recognize

it

as

a

real

language

if

so

which

or

something

that

sounded

African

The

person

who

mixed

some

French

with

his

glossolalia

does

anyone

have

any

idea

what

his

exposure

has

been

to

French

Its

not

uncommon

for

people

to

include

a

few

words

in

their

tongue

in

a

language

they

may

be

familiar

with

Theres

a

great

example

that

was

recorded

from

a

person

from

New

Zealand

who

clearly

used

corrupted

forms

of

several

English

words

as

well

as

a

few

Maori

words

in

their

glossolalia

Getting

back

to

your

example

why

would

there

only

be

a

few

words

in

French

Why

not

the

whole

sequence

That

just

doesnt

stand

to

reason

Tongues

of

angels

as

Paul

uses

it

is

complete

hyperbole

It

was

not

ever

meant

literally

The

thing

is

there

are

no

two

tongues

that

will

ever

sound

the

same

as

they

are

based

primarily

upon

the

speakers

own

native

language

and

typically

contain

a

subset

of

sounds

found

in

that

language

no

two

speakers

will

ever

use

quite

the

same

subset

of

sounds

In

this

sense

one

could

say

that

there

are

thousands

of

tongues

or

just

as

many

different

tongues

as

there

are

tonguesspeakers

If

indeed

tongues

were

a

heavenly

language

why

would

there

ever

be

need

of

more

than

one

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January

at

Youre

totally

wrong

Kavik

Do

you

speak

in

tongues

I

doubt

it

with

what

youre

saying

As

I

said

to

Mario

its

better

felt

than

telt

I

know

some

Pentecostal

churches

are

way

way

off

the

mark

which

is

a

problem

perhaps

though

Im

blessed

in

going

to

a

church

that

has

sound

doctrine

and

only

preaches

from

the

Bible

the

true

Word

of

God

My

life

changed

for

the

better

years

ago

when

I

received

the

Holy

Spirit

speaking

in

tongues

At

that

time

I

felt

like

a

weight

had

been

lifted

off

my

shoulders

and

the

knot

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Kavik

January

at

Respectfully

no

I

dont

think

so

There

are

absolutely

no

references

in

the

Bible

with

respect

to

tongues

read

languages

that

can

not

be

explained

in

light

of

real

language

and

what

was

happening

both

historically

and

culturally

at

that

given

time

whilst

what

modern

tongue

speakers

are

doing

is

easily

explained

in

term

of

modern

linguistics

There

is

no

contradiction

between

tongues

and

real

language

in

the

Bible

The

usage

of

tongues

makes

it

sound

like

something

it

simply

is

not

one

of

the

pitfalls

of

using

century

English

in

the

century

Anyone

can

speak

in

tongues

its

just

random

freevocalization

noncognitive

nonlanguage

utterance

Its

a

question

of

overcoming

any

weirdness

one

may

havefeel

about

playing

with

ones

language

to

begin

producing

the

glossolalia

As

a

Linguist

I

play

with

the

sounds

of

language

all

the

time

so

in

a

sense

I

speak

in

tongues

almost

every

day

Tongues

as

they

are

used

today

by

Christian

practitioners

are

a

relatively

recent

phenomenon

to

Christianity

that

is

certainly

not

to

other

cultures

and

religious

paths

Speakers

will

argue

that

the

originreference

is

Biblical

but

it

simply

is

not

James

KA

Smith

in

Thinking

in

Tongues

April

sums

it

up

nicely

where

in

reference

to

the

origins

of

modern

tongues

he

writes

The

miraculous

phenomena

that

manifested

themselves

at

the

Azusa

Street

revival

for

example

compelled

serious

and

sustained

reflection

The

events

needed

explanation

since

it

was

painfully

obvious

that

xenoglossy

was

not

as

Parham

fervently

believed

what

was

happening

and

the

Pentecostal

preachers

and

leaders

turned

to

the

resource

that

was

most

important

to

them

the

narrative

of

Scripture

The

resulting

implicit

theology

was

not

a

synthesis

of

revelation

and

philosophy

but

rather

a

synthesis

trying

to

In

short

looking

for

a

way

to

legitimize

what

they

were

doing

by

proofing

it

in

the

Bible

despite

the

obvious

absence

therein

of

anything

resembling

modern

tongues

call

it

what

you

will

but

the

result

was

a

virtual

redefinition

of

Scripture

with

respect

to

the

understanding

of

tongues

for

this

group

of

Christians

I

dont

know

why

theres

such

an

insistence

on

equating

tongues

to

something

other

than

what

the

word

actually

means

a

real

language

Pentecostal

and

Charismatic

Christians

have

to

justifylegitimizeproof

what

theyre

doing

in

light

of

Scripture

What

theyre

looking

for

though

just

isnt

there

it

never

was

But

without

tongues

some

PentecostalismCharismatic

denominations

fall

rather

flat

so

what

is

in

the

Bible

is

reinterpreted

to

make

what

they

are

doing

there

As

to

benefits

of

speaking

in

tongues

such

as

you

describe

this

is

no

more

different

than

the

benefits

one

can

derive

from

deep

spiritual

meditation

or

even

religious

chants

I

totally

agree

that

there

are

definite

benefits

in

the

practice

and

it

can

certainly

be

argued

that

it

is

a

way

for

the

practitioner

to

establish

a

closer

relationship

with

the

divine

but

whether

tongues

chants

or

meditation

all

are

simply

a

tool

by

which

to

accomplish

this

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January

at

Kavik

writes

There

are

absolutely

no

references

in

the

Bible

with

respect

to

tongues

read

languages

that

can

not

be

explained

in

light

of

real

language

Except

for

the

first

letter

of

Paul

to

the

Corinthians

Take

chapter

Tongues

and

their

interpretation

is

conceived

as

a

manifestation

of

the

Spirit

and

it

is

mentioned

in

one

breadth

with

message

of

wisdom

message

of

knowledge

faith

gifts

of

healing

miraculous

powers

prophecy

distinguishing

between

spirits

These

are

all

spiritual

and

supernatural

capabilities

Why

would

something

mundane

as

speaking

a

foreign

language

end

up

in

the

same

pot

as

miraculous

powers

or

prophecy

I

can

well

consider

glossolalia

as

something

miraculous

since

I

can

not

explain

it

in

my

everyday

experiences

but

why

would

I

attribute

spiritual

powers

to

someone

speaking

in

French

to

me

Or

take

chapter

For

anyone

who

speaks

in

a

tongue

does

not

speak

to

men

but

to

God

Indeed

noone

understands

him

If

I

speak

French

surely

someone

can

understand

me

If

I

produce

glossolalia

instead

no

one

will

understand

me

So

what

would

Paulus

likely

refer

to

by

tongues

here

I

cant

help

but

finding

the

assertion

tongue

foreign

language

ridiculous

Id

put

it

in

the

corner

of

an

ideological

rationalization

Kavik

January

at

Except

for

the

first

letter

of

Paul

to

the

Corinthians

I

have

to

disagree

Let

me

back

up

a

second

and

preface

this

with

the

following

Pentecostal

and

Charismatic

tonguesspeakers

look

for

Biblical

references

for

what

they

are

doing

however

they

are

simply

not

there

The

resulting

implicit

theology

is

not

a

synthesis

of

revelation

and

philosophy

but

rather

a

synthesis

of

trying

to

make

sense

of

the

tongues

experience

in

light

of

the

narrative

of

Scripture

In

other

words

a

way

to

legitimize

the

modern

phenomenon

by

proofing

it

in

the

Bible

despite

the

obvious

overwhelming

absence

therein

of

anything

resembling

modern

tongues

call

it

what

you

will

but

the

result

was

a

virtual

redefinition

of

Scripture

with

respect

to

the

understandingjustification

of

modern

tongues

for

this

group

of

Christians

One

of

the

best

examples

of

this

is

with

Pauls

letter

There

just

isnt

anything

there

that

cant

be

explained

in

light

of

real

language

Take

chapter

Tongues

and

their

interpretation

is

conceived

as

a

manifestation

of

the

Spirit

and

it

is

mentioned

in

one

breadth

with

message

of

wisdom

message

of

knowledge

faith

gifts

of

healing

miraculous

powers

prophecy

distinguishing

between

spirits

These

are

all

spiritual

and

supernatural

capabilities

Why

would

something

mundane

as

speaking

a

foreign

language

end

up

in

the

same

pot

as

miraculous

powers

or

prophecy

Thats

a

good

and

fair

question

and

this

is

probably

not

the

best

way

to

answer

I

know

what

I

want

to

say

but

its

a

matter

of

writing

it

so

it

makes

some

degree

of

sense

so

at

any

rateI

wish

I

had

some

specific

examplesreferences

of

this

but

what

has

always

struck

me

as

sort

of

odd

is

that

in

many

ancient

cultures

particularly

European

and

Middle

Eastern

it

seems

the

ability

to

be

multilingual

to

be

able

to

speak

or

translate

or

write

foreign

languages

or

any

combination

of

the

three

seems

to

have

been

looked

upon

The

ability

to

be

able

to

speak

in

various

languages

is

said

to

be

a

manifestation

of

the

Holy

Spirit

People

associate

the

term

spiritual

gift

with

it

though

and

the

connotationunderstanding

is

that

its

some

sort

of

ability

which

is

different

from

a

natural

abilitytalent

which

God

gives

someone

when

convertedsaved

One

didnt

have

them

prior

to

being

saved

and

then

once

saved

God

gave

them

to

himher

All

Charismatics

would

see

them

as

obviously

being

supernatural

in

their

manifestation

Why

however

does

any

ability

that

God

chooses

to

give

us

particularly

given

for

the

intent

of

being

used

to

better

the

church

as

these

gifts

are

need

to

be

considered

extraordinary

miraculous

or

almost

required

to

be

called

supernatural

Given

the

ordinary

nature

of

most

of

these

why

shouldnt

the

ability

in

various

languages

be

the

bentknack

of

some

to

ease

the

problem

of

communication

in

the

church

These

manifestations

after

all

were

given

for

the

common

good

not

for

some

individualistic

purpose

It

is

better

perhaps

to

see

these

gifts

as

Godgiven

natural

abilities

Given

perhaps

with

the

intention

that

they

are

to

be

used

for

spreading

or

evidencing

of

His

glory

among

people

Further

you

have

to

also

keep

in

mind

that

tongues

as

used

in

the

Bible

is

nothing

more

than

real

human

languages

With

respect

to

language

any

person

who

has

a

Godgiven

ability

to

pick

up

foreign

languages

seemingly

effortlessly

can

be

said

to

have

the

gift

of

tongues

Just

as

anyone

who

has

exceptionally

keen

insight

may

be

said

to

have

the

gift

of

prophecy

a

villagetribal

elder

steeped

in

knowledge

wisdom

and

lore

the

gift

of

wisdom

etc

So

too

could

a

person

using

a

foreign

language

to

administer

to

nonEnglish

speaking

members

of

a

congregation

perhaps

stuck

and

struggling

not

sure

what

or

how

to

express

a

given

topic

and

draws

on

the

HS

for

inspiration

then

suddenly

starts

speaking

on

the

topic

for

an

hour

very

confident

in

what

theyre

saying

I

would

argue

that

this

could

also

certainly

be

interpreted

as

the

gift

of

tongues

Again

the

above

is

perhaps

not

the

best

way

to

put

what

Im

trying

to

say

but

hopefully

it

makes

some

sense

I

can

well

consider

glossolalia

as

something

miraculous

since

I

can

not

explain

it

in

my

everyday

experiences

but

why

would

I

attribute

spiritual

powers

to

someone

speaking

in

French

to

me

I

suspect

many

people

may

think

the

same

way

simply

because

they

dont

really

have

an

idea

of

what

it

is

theyre

doing

or

perhaps

better

said

how

theyre

doing

what

theyre

doing

Glossolalia

can

be

relatively

easily

explained

if

one

wishes

to

know

what

it

is

and

how

its

produced

but

I

suspect

many

Christians

who

practice

it

would

rather

not

be

told

Well

I

dont

think

anyone

would

The

purpose

of

this

manifestation

ie

people

who

had

the

abilitygift

to

learn

languages

quickly

and

easily

was

for

the

church

to

encourage

and

evangelize

people

who

spoke

languages

other

than

that

spoken

in

a

given

church

In

the

case

of

Corinth

to

gain

converts

from

other

parts

of

the

world

where

Greek

was

not

spoken

via

believers

who

spoke

these

languages

Some

would

argue

that

the

gift

of

tongues

entails

that

the

languages

in

question

would

be

instantly

known

by

the

speaker

without

having

to

learn

them

but

theres

no

real

evidence

to

suggest

that

Or

take

chapter

For

anyone

who

speaks

in

a

tongue

does

not

speak

to

men

but

to

God

Indeed

noone

understands

him

If

I

speak

French

surely

someone

can

understand

me

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I

produce

glossolalia

instead

no

one

will

understand

me

So

what

would

Paulus

likely

refer

to

by

tongues

here

Many

use

Cor

as

proof

of

tongues

being

spiritual

languages

but

upon

closer

examination

it

simply

describes

real

language

though

a

foreign

one

to

the

hearers

Note

that

contrary

to

how

some

are

taught

to

look

at

the

passage

nowhere

does

it

state

that

the

speaker

does

not

understand

what

he

himself

is

saying

Its

just

not

there

To

explain

it

further

if

I

attend

a

worship

service

in

East

Haystack

Alabama

two

things

are

going

to

be

evident

one

theres

only

going

to

be

so

many

people

at

that

service

ie

there

will

be

a

finite

given

amount

of

people

there

and

two

the

chances

that

anyone

in

East

Haystack

speaks

anything

but

English

is

pretty

slim

to

If

I

start

praying

aloud

in

say

Lithuanian

theres

no

one

at

that

service

thats

going

to

understand

a

word

Im

saying

Even

though

Im

speaking

a

real

language

no

one

there

will

understand

my

tongue

That

does

I

cant

help

but

finding

the

assertion

tongue

foreign

language

ridiculous

Id

put

it

in

the

corner

of

an

ideological

rationalization

Not

sure

why

this

is

difficult

the

word

tongue

Gk

glossa

means

language

The

usage

of

tongue

in

place

of

language

in

many

Bible

translations

is

rather

archaic

though

we

still

use

it

today

in

certain

expressions

eg

we

speak

of

someones

native

tongue

I

think

because

tongue

is

used

instead

of

the

more

modern

word

language

people

tend

to

associate

it

with

something

mysterious

and

something

it

never

was

Kavik

January

at

I

can

well

consider

glossolalia

as

something

miraculous

since

I

can

not

explain

it

in

my

everyday

experiences

but

why

would

I

attribute

spiritual

powers

to

someone

speaking

in

French

to

me

This

may

better

explain

my

take

on

spiritual

gifts

Considering

the

fact

Paul

wrote

three

letters

to

three

different

groups

of

believers

describing

spiritual

gifts

and

did

not

routinely

repeat

the

same

list

of

gifts

its

probably

safe

to

assume

there

are

additional

spiritual

gifts

unlisted

in

his

writings

I

wouldin

fact

argue

that

for

Christians

any

natural

Godgiven

talent

may

be

said

to

be

a

spiritual

gift

if

used

in

the

ministry

of

God

Paul

describes

nine

specific

ones

in

his

letter

to

the

church

in

Corinth

that

he

felt

were

the

most

important

to

further

the

message

of

Christianity

in

that

church

and

perhaps

also

in

that

area

of

the

world

The

spiritual

gift

of

tongues

read

manifestation

of

languages

therefore

is

not

just

a

knackability

for

learning

languages

easily

than

others

but

more

so

using

that

ability

in

spreading

the

message

of

Christianity

and

to

the

further

glory

of

God

The

same

may

be

said

of

the

gift

of

interpretation

ie

the

translation

of

said

languages

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January

at

Kavik

thanks

for

your

answer

I

am

just

incredibly

mystified

by

your

interpretation

of

Corinthians

Let

me

quote

some

more

verses

which

I

think

point

to

tonges

glossolalia

rather

than

tonges

foreign

languages

Chapter

to

another

speaking

in

different

kinds

of

tongues

and

to

still

another

the

interpretation

of

tongues

Speaking

in

tongues

and

interpretation

of

tongues

seem

to

be

two

different

things

That

does

not

make

sense

for

natural

languages

You

cant

speak

a

language

if

you

do

not

understand

it

and

vice

versa

However

you

can

produce

glossolalia

without

understanding

its

meaning

if

there

should

be

a

meaning

And

you

can

be

inspired

by

glossolalia

to

say

something

as

its

interpretation

Think

of

the

string

of

sounds

uttered

in

glossolalia

as

a

random

seed

to

trigger

some

thoughtsmemoriesimagination

that

are

thought

of

as

its

interpretation

Er

yes

I

am

computer

scientist

Chapter

If

I

speak

in

the

tongues

of

men

or

of

angels

but

do

not

have

love

If

I

have

the

gift

of

prophecy

Again

like

in

Chapter

tongues

is

paralleled

with

prophecy

both

intuitive

supernatural

is

debatable

rather

than

rational

capabilities

Paul

mentions

both

tongues

of

men

and

tongues

of

angels

The

latter

is

certainly

not

a

natural

language

but

could

mean

glossolalia

The

former

would

likely

mean

natural

languages

So

Paul

says

something

that

virtuous

speech

and

beautiful

angelic

speech

certainly

not

a

language

known

to

men

what

else

than

glossolalia

are

worthless

without

love

Chapter

they

utter

mysteries

by

the

Spirit

Foreign

language

utterances

are

not

mysteries

by

the

Spirit

certainly

not

to

the

speaker

Chapter

For

this

reason

the

one

who

speaks

in

a

tongue

should

pray

that

they

may

interpret

what

they

say

If

I

speak

something

in

French

I

do

not

need

to

pray

for

the

interpretation

I

can

simply

say

the

same

thing

in

English

If

I

speak

glossolalia

I

have

no

clue

what

it

means

so

I

can

hope

to

be

given

the

interpretation

by

God

if

I

pray

Why

would

Paul

ask

the

speaker

of

just

a

foreign

language

to

pray

for

the

interpretation

How

do

you

imagine

the

scenario

Some

guy

who

does

not

speak

Greek

even

though

living

in

Corinth

and

being

a

member

of

the

congregation

there

this

guy

going

to

the

service

and

praying

out

Chapter

For

if

I

pray

in

a

tongue

my

spirit

prays

but

my

mind

is

unfruitful

Sounds

like

an

accurate

description

of

glossolalia

to

me

Matches

the

findings

that

the

higher

language

centers

in

the

brain

are

not

involved

mind

is

unfruitful

Certainly

he

did

not

have

brain

imaging

but

only

introspection

to

come

to

this

formulation

From

there

Paul

seems

to

equate

praying

in

a

tongue

with

praying

with

my

spirit

Chapter

I

will

pray

with

my

spirit

but

I

will

also

pray

with

my

understanding

Seems

like

Paul

implies

that

praying

with

his

spirit

excludes

understanding

Again

a

good

match

for

glossolalia

I

cant

see

a

natural

reading

of

Corinthians

with

your

thesis

that

Paul

just

talks

about

foreign

natural

languages

here

Your

thesis

seems

very

contrived

I

have

seen

people

quote

Ch

where

there

are

prophecies

they

will

cease

where

there

are

tongues

they

will

be

stilled

as

an

argument

why

modern

Charismatic

practice

is

ungodly

but

I

have

never

heard

anyone

denying

that

glossolalia

is

reported

and

discussed

in

the

New

Testament

I

am

greatly

puzzled

here

Kavik

January

at

Aaquadrat

Ill

respond

to

your

post

as

quickly

as

time

allows

A

lot

of

points

to

comment

about

Loading

Kavik

January

at

Apparently

due

to

size

Ill

have

to

comment

in

two

separate

posts

so

of

to

another

speaking

in

different

kinds

of

tongues

and

to

still

another

the

interpretation

of

tongues

Speaking

in

tongues

and

interpretation

of

tongues

seem

to

be

two

different

things

That

does

not

make

sense

for

natural

languages

You

cant

speak

a

language

if

you

do

not

understand

it

and

vice

versa

However

you

can

produce

glossolalia

without

understanding

its

meaning

if

there

should

be

a

meaning

And

you

can

be

inspired

by

glossolalia

to

say

something

as

its

interpretation

Think

of

the

string

of

sounds

uttered

in

glossolalia

as

a

random

seed

to

trigger

some

thoughtsmemoriesimagination

that

are

thought

of

as

its

interpretation

Er

yes

I

am

computer

Yes

it

would

seem

so

at

first

but

the

early

church

services

were

modeled

after

Jewish

ones

at

which

the

rabbiteacher

spoke

in

the

sacerdotal

language

of

Hebrew

and

there

was

another

person

by

his

side

this

person

had

a

specific

title

that

escapes

me

at

the

moment

who

translated

what

the

teacher

was

saying

into

the

vernacular

of

the

audience

Aramaic

or

Greek

as

the

situation

warranted

since

by

the

century

AD

virtually

no

one

in

the

audience

would

have

understood

Hebrew

So

in

light

of

this

Paul

separates

the

two

speaking

and

translating

even

though

they

obviously

go

handinhand

You

can

speak

a

language

but

not

be

very

good

at

translating

as

stupid

as

that

sounds

Translation

work

particularly

simultaneous

interpretation

think

of

a

UN

translatorinterpreter

is

actually

not

as

simple

as

it

may

seem

Not

sure

Id

agree

that

the

glossolalia

would

be

the

inspiration

for

the

interpretation

so

much

as

the

person

offering

the

interpretation

being

inspired

by

hisher

faith

and

belief

Interpretation

of

glossolalia

may

also

be

said

to

be

selfcreated

based

on

ones

deep

faith

and

belief

But

I

do

see

your

point

in

the

random

seed

analogy

If

I

speak

in

the

tongues

of

men

or

of

angels

but

do

not

have

love

If

I

have

the

gift

of

prophecy

Again

like

in

Chapter

tongues

is

paralleled

with

prophecy

both

intuitive

supernatural

is

debatable

rather

than

rational

capabilities

Paul

mentions

both

tongues

of

men

and

tongues

of

angels

The

latter

is

certainly

not

a

natural

language

but

could

mean

glossolalia

The

former

would

likely

mean

natural

languages

So

Paul

says

something

that

virtuous

speech

and

beautiful

angelic

speech

certainly

not

a

language

known

to

men

what

else

than

glossolalia

are

worthless

without

Heres

a

bit

more

on

Pauls

use

of

hyperbole

in

his

letter

taken

from

an

article

written

by

a

N

Busenitz

April

He

explains

it

better

than

I

can

The

phrase

in

Corinthians

is

parallel

to

Pauls

subsequent

statements

in

v

of

knowing

all

mysteries

and

all

knowledge

and

of

having

all

faith

so

as

to

literally

remove

mountains

Both

of

those

statements

articulate

hyperbolic

impossibilities

since

no

one

can

know

all

the

mysteries

or

have

all

knowledge

or

possess

all

faith

In

verse

Paul

gives

additional

extreme

examples

giving

away

all

my

possessions

and

giving

my

body

to

be

burned

While

martyrdom

is

obviously

possible

it

still

fits

the

pattern

of

Pauls

use

of

extreme

examples

in

order

to

illustrate

a

crucial

point

even

the

most

superlative

expression

of

any

gift

including

that

which

is

impossible

would

be

worthless

if

it

is

devoid

of

love

One

of

the

things

that

is

important

to

note

about

the

grammar

of

Corinthians

is

that

in

the

Greek

it

literally

reads

If

with

the

tongues

of

men

I

speak

and

of

angels

That

construction

is

unique

and

occurs

only

here

in

the

New

Testament

The

grammar

suggests

that

Paul

intentionally

separated

the

tongues

of

men

from

the

tongues

of

angels

articulating

the

normal

expression

of

the

gift

of

foreign

languages

before

emphatically

inserting

a

hypothetical

hyperbole

This

pattern

is

seen

in

Pauls

subsequent

examples

as

well

Based

on

a

comparison

of

all

of

Pauls

hypothetical

examples

in

Corinthians

a

strong

case

can

be

made

that

the

apostle

was

using

superlative

hyperbolic

and

extreme

examples

to

showcase

the

superiority

of

love

This

contextual

consideration

leads

us

to

conclude

that

the

tongues

of

angels

was

a

rhetorical

expression

used

by

Paul

to

make

a

point

It

did

not

describe

the

actual

gift

of

tongues

which

consisted

only

of

the

tongues

of

men

When

the

grammatical

and

contextual

evidence

is

considered

the

tongues

of

angels

simply

does

not

provide

Charismatics

with

Biblical

support

for

a

nonhuman

form

of

tongues

Chapter

they

utter

mysteries

by

the

Spirit

Foreign

language

utterances

are

not

mysteries

by

the

Spirit

certainly

not

to

the

speaker

I

think

you

have

to

take

the

whole

passage

into

account

to

understand

what

is

meant

If

I

attend

a

worship

service

in

East

Haystack

Alabama

two

things

are

going

to

be

evident

one

theres

only

going

to

be

so

many

people

at

that

service

ie

there

will

be

a

finite

given

amount

of

people

there

and

two

the

chances

that

anyone

in

East

Haystack

speaks

anything

but

English

is

pretty

slim

to

If

I

start

praying

aloud

in

say

Lithuanian

theres

no

one

at

that

service

thats

going

to

understand

a

bloody

word

Im

saying

Even

though

Im

speaking

a

real

language

no

one

there

will

understand

my

tongue

That

does

not

mean

or

imply

that

no

one

else

understands

Lithuanian

just

no

one

at

that

particular

service

Theres

a

few

things

here

to

note

first

the

passage

in

no

way

even

remotely

suggests

that

the

speaker

does

not

understand

what

he

himself

is

saying

its

the

audience

who

do

not

understand

as

they

dont

speak

his

language

It

ends

up

being

a

real

language

no

one

understands

within

that

given

context

To

the

people

listening

to

me

I

am

speaking

mysteries

An

idiomatic

expression

akin

to

our

its

all

Greek

to

me

ie

we

have

no

clue

what

hes

saying

thus

hes

speaking

mysteries

Praying

in

the

Spirit

is

another

misinterpretation

by

PentecostalCharismatic

Christians

Praying

in

the

Spirit

does

not

refer

to

the

words

we

are

saying

ie

the

language

were

praying

in

Rather

it

refers

to

how

we

are

praying

Praying

in

the

Spirit

is

praying

according

to

the

Spirits

leading

It

is

praying

for

things

the

Spirit

leads

us

to

pray

for

There

is

no

reference

to

languages

in

any

of

the

three

places

mentioned

above

If

the

current

phenomenon

is

found

here

it

is

because

it

has

been

read

into

it

Pray

in

the

Spirit

has

come

to

mean

in

common

PentecostalCharismatic

parlance

Pray

in

tongues

For

this

reason

the

one

who

speaks

in

a

tongue

should

pray

that

they

may

interpret

what

they

say

If

I

speak

something

in

French

I

do

not

need

to

pray

for

the

interpretation

I

can

simply

say

the

same

thing

in

English

If

I

speak

glossolalia

I

have

no

clue

what

it

means

so

I

can

hope

to

be

given

the

interpretation

by

God

if

I

pray

Why

would

Paul

ask

the

speaker

of

just

a

foreign

language

to

pray

for

the

interpretation

How

do

you

imagine

the

scenario

Some

guy

who

does

not

speak

Greek

even

though

living

in

Corinth

and

being

a

member

of

the

congregation

there

this

guy

going

to

the

service

and

praying

out

No

thats

not

at

all

what

Im

suggesting

Im

going

to

try

to

explain

this

in

light

of

real

language

as

best

I

can

The

text

does

not

necessarily

imply

that

the

person

speaking

is

also

going

to

be

doing

the

translation

it

just

says

he

should

pray

that

he

can

translate

what

hes

saying

it

doesnt

indicate

how

the

translation

is

to

be

done

The

assumption

is

that

the

person

speaking

will

also

be

doing

the

translating

but

it

could

just

as

well

imply

that

if

hes

planning

on

praying

aloud

at

a

public

meeting

to

pray

that

hes

able

to

secure

a

translator

for

himself

There

is

no

specific

time

frame

referenced

most

people

would

imply

that

his

ability

to

translate

would

be

instantaneous

but

it

could

just

as

well

imply

that

he

should

pray

that

at

some

point

hell

also

be

able

to

translate

whether

he

himself

learns

the

local

language

well

enough

or

he

has

someone

translate

for

him

As

I

mentioned

earlier

its

one

thing

to

speak

another

language

but

another

thing

to

interprettranslate

If

my

native

language

is

English

and

I

learn

German

enough

to

be

able

to

speak

it

to

get

by

it

does

not

necessarily

mean

I

can

adequately

translate

I

may

be

able

to

get

across

the

gist

of

what

Im

trying

to

say

but

to

express

the

nuances

particularly

with

things

like

prayer

is

actually

quite

a

difficult

task

As

an

example

a

few

years

ago

I

translated

a

simple

fourline

meal

grace

used

in

Scouting

into

a

few

local

Native

American

languages

Four

incredibly

simple

lines

in

English

but

maddeningly

difficult

to

accurately

translate

into

these

languages

and

try

to

capture

all

the

nuance

and

exact

meaning

of

the

English

original

I

never

expected

it

would

take

anywhere

near

as

long

as

it

did

Given

then

the

difficulties

faced

in

translationinterpretation

it

is

not

at

all

unreasonable

for

a

person

in

a

multilingual

church

situation

to

ask

God

for

help

so

that

the

rest

of

the

church

can

be

edified

through

their

participation

Again

it

should

also

be

pointed

out

that

the

interpretation

is

not

confined

to

the

one

speaking

as

referred

to

in

and

in

Verse

indicates

others

also

can

interpret

and

of

course

theres

no

specific

time

frame

referenced

Paul

then

goes

on

to

indicate

that

if

the

person

cant

translate

whether

himself

or

through

a

translator

he

should

keep

quiet

and

pray

silently

to

himself

As

R

MacLachlan

write

in

his

book

Tongues

Revisited

Assuming

modern

tongues

is

what

is

referred

to

in

Corinthians

and

Gods

intention

is

to

edify

the

church

as

is

emphasized

constantly

throughout

the

chapter

why

does

he

activate

someone

to

exercise

the

phenomenon

but

not

in

all

cases

provide

an

interpreter

In

fact

why

does

he

give

a

message

in

a

language

not

known

to

anyone

in

the

church

at

all

If

edification

is

what

he

intends

and

emphatically

it

is

as

this

chapter

makes

plain

why

put

hurdles

tongues

in

the

way

of

it

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Kavik

January

at

Heres

of

For

if

I

pray

in

a

tongue

my

spirit

prays

but

my

mind

is

unfruitful

Sounds

like

an

accurate

description

of

glossolalia

to

me

Matches

the

findings

that

the

higher

language

centers

in

the

brain

are

not

involved

mind

is

unfruitful

Certainly

he

did

not

have

brain

imaging

but

only

introspection

to

come

to

this

formulation

From

there

Paul

seems

to

equate

praying

in

a

tongue

with

praying

with

my

The

results

from

the

study

done

by

the

University

of

PA

that

you

refer

to

the

one

where

they

did

SPECT

imaging

of

tonguesspeakers

seem

to

support

the

idea

that

the

reason

the

language

centers

of

the

brain

are

not

overly

active

during

the

production

of

glossolalia

tongues

is

because

glossolalia

is

not

language

I

think

the

results

could

be

skewed

either

to

support

or

refute

tongues

thus

should

not

be

relied

on

as

evidence

or

proof

to

support

either

view

If

I

pray

in

a

language

my

spirit

prays

but

my

understandingmind

produces

no

fruit

Again

to

paraphrase

a

little

from

the

aforementioned

book

Tongues

Revisited

What

is

the

fruit

that

a

persons

mind

bears

I

think

the

reasonable

answer

is

understanding

An

important

question

must

also

be

asked

Where

does

a

persons

mind

bear

fruit

or

produce

understanding

The

Charismatic

response

is

In

the

persons

own

mind

This

hinges

on

the

use

of

the

word

akarpos

unfruitful

in

Greek

It

can

be

used

either

with

and

active

meaning

or

a

passive

meaning

Charismatic

Christians

take

the

meaning

as

passive

producing

no

understanding

in

the

speakers

mind

However

this

answer

is

clearly

wrong

The

text

identifies

the

fruit

of

a

persons

mind

as

being

the

understanding

that

occurs

in

the

mind

of

others

not

their

own

This

is

an

extremely

important

point

as

virtually

the

whole

charismatic

view

of

tongues

finally

swings

on

the

word

unfruitful

referring

to

the

speakers

own

mind

Akarpos

may

be

also

used

passively

that

part

of

the

text

does

not

center

on

the

activity

or

nonactivity

of

the

speakers

mind

but

rather

on

potential

benefit

derived

by

listeners

The

whole

context

of

Corinthians

is

the

effect

upon

the

hearers

of

untranslated

languages

Pauls

concern

is

the

edification

of

the

group

Therefore

should

be

taken

as

My

spirit

prays

but

my

mind

does

not

produce

fruit

in

others

In

other

words

my

mind

my

understanding

ie

the

fact

that

I

understand

what

Im

saying

produces

no

fruit

in

others

since

they

dont

understand

my

language

It

is

interesting

to

note

that

Luthers

Bible

of

renders

the

phrase

as

my

mindunderstanding

brings

no

one

fruit

One

has

to

wonder

if

perhaps

Luther

understood

the

passive

meaning

of

the

phrase

I

will

pray

with

my

spirit

but

I

will

also

pray

with

my

understanding

Seems

like

Paul

implies

that

praying

with

his

spirit

excludes

understanding

Again

a

good

match

for

I

will

pray

with

my

spirit

ie

pray

in

the

power

of

the

Spirit

by

the

leading

of

the

Spirit

and

according

to

His

will

and

I

will

also

pray

with

understanding

In

other

words

not

only

will

I

pray

and

be

edified

through

my

own

prayer

which

I

understand

but

others

dont

I

will

also

pray

so

that

fruit

is

produced

in

the

congregation

to

their

edification

The

same

goes

for

singing

It

hinges

back

to

the

verse

before

it

The

idea

of

the

speakers

understanding

also

producing

fruit

understanding

in

the

audiences

mind

This

thought

is

then

extended

and

clarified

in

and

where

a

person

who

doesnt

understand

the

praise

being

given

to

God

cant

say

Amen

to

your

thanksgiving

He

doesnt

know

what

you

are

saying

Youre

giving

thanks

well

enough

but

the

other

man

is

not

edified

I

dont

think

understanding

is

excluded

here

since

it

really

refers

to

the

audience

not

the

speaker

I

cant

see

a

natural

reading

of

Corinthians

with

your

thesis

that

Paul

just

talks

about

foreign

natural

languages

here

Your

thesis

seems

very

contrived

I

dont

think

so

As

Ive

attempted

to

demonstrate

above

each

passage

can

be

understood

in

light

of

real

language

I

have

seen

people

quote

Ch

where

there

are

prophecies

they

will

cease

where

there

are

tongues

they

will

be

stilled

as

an

argument

why

modern

Charismatic

practice

is

ungodly

but

I

have

never

heard

anyone

denying

that

glossolalia

is

reported

and

discussed

in

the

New

Testament

I

am

greatly

puzzled

here

I

think

that

hinges

on

the

PentecostalCharismatic

understanding

of

tonguesglossolalia

For

these

Christians

tongues

can

only

mean

glossolalia

otherwise

what

they

are

producingdoing

doesnt

have

any

Scriptural

reference

The

word

used

was

glossa

and

its

meaning

is

language

PentecostalCharismatic

Christians

are

reading

into

the

text

something

that

is

just

not

there

I

think

some

of

this

centers

on

the

meaning

of

the

phrase

praying

in

the

Spirit

Its

only

mentioned

three

times

in

the

Bible

Corinthians

Ephesians

and

Jude

The

Greek

word

translated

pray

in

can

have

several

different

meanings

It

can

mean

by

means

of

with

the

help

of

in

the

sphere

of

and

in

connection

to

Praying

in

the

Spirit

does

not

refer

to

the

words

we

are

saying

Rather

it

refers

to

how

we

are

praying

Praying

in

the

Spirit

is

praying

according

to

the

Spirits

leading

It

is

praying

for

things

the

Spirit

leads

us

to

pray

for

Therefore

praying

in

the

Spirit

should

be

understood

as

praying

in

the

power

of

the

Spirit

by

the

leading

of

the

Spirit

and

according

to

His

will

not

as

praying

in

tongues

Loading

Kavik

January

at

Heres

of

For

if

I

pray

in

a

tongue

my

spirit

prays

but

my

mind

is

unfruitful

Sounds

like

an

accurate

description

of

glossolalia

to

me

Matches

the

findings

that

the

higher

language

centers

in

the

brain

are

not

involved

mind

is

unfruitful

Certainly

he

did

not

have

brain

imaging

but

only

introspection

to

come

to

this

formulation

From

there

Paul

seems

to

equate

praying

in

a

tongue

with

praying

with

my

The

results

from

the

study

done

by

the

University

of

PA

that

you

refer

to

the

one

where

they

did

SPECT

imaging

of

tonguesspeakers

seem

to

support

the

idea

that

the

reason

the

language

centers

of

the

brain

are

not

overly

active

during

the

production

of

glossolalia

tongues

is

because

glossolalia

is

not

language

I

think

the

results

could

be

skewed

either

to

support

or

refute

tongues

thus

should

not

be

relied

on

as

evidence

or

proof

to

support

either

view

If

I

pray

in

a

language

my

spirit

prays

but

my

understandingmind

produces

no

fruit

Again

to

paraphrase

a

little

from

the

aforementioned

book

Tongues

Revisited

What

is

the

fruit

that

a

persons

mind

bears

I

think

the

reasonable

answer

is

understanding

An

important

question

must

also

be

asked

Where

does

a

persons

mind

bear

fruit

or

produce

understanding

The

Charismatic

response

is

In

the

persons

own

mind

This

hinges

on

the

use

of

the

word

akarpos

unfruitful

in

Greek

It

can

be

used

either

with

and

active

meaning

or

a

passive

meaning

Charismatic

Christians

take

the

meaning

as

passive

producing

no

understanding

in

the

speakers

mind

However

this

answer

is

clearly

wrong

The

text

identifies

the

fruit

of

a

persons

mind

as

being

the

understanding

that

occurs

in

the

mind

of

others

not

their

own

This

is

an

extremely

important

point

as

virtually

the

whole

charismatic

view

of

tongues

finally

swings

on

the

word

unfruitful

referring

to

the

speakers

own

mind

Akarpos

may

be

also

used

passively

that

part

of

the

text

does

not

center

on

the

activity

or

nonactivity

of

the

speakers

mind

but

rather

on

potential

benefit

derived

by

listeners

The

whole

context

of

Corinthians

is

the

effect

upon

the

hearers

of

untranslated

languages

Pauls

concern

is

the

edification

of

the

group

Therefore

should

be

taken

as

My

spirit

prays

but

my

mind

does

not

produce

fruit

in

others

In

other

words

my

mind

my

understanding

ie

the

fact

that

I

understand

what

Im

saying

produces

no

fruit

in

others

since

they

dont

understand

my

language

It

is

interesting

to

note

that

Luthers

Bible

of

renders

the

phrase

as

my

mindunderstanding

brings

no

one

fruit

One

has

to

wonder

if

perhaps

Luther

understood

the

passive

meaning

of

the

phrase

I

will

pray

with

my

spirit

but

I

will

also

pray

with

my

understanding

Seems

like

Paul

implies

that

praying

with

his

spirit

excludes

understanding

Again

a

good

match

for

I

will

pray

with

my

spirit

ie

pray

in

the

power

of

the

Spirit

by

the

leading

of

the

Spirit

and

according

to

His

will

and

I

will

also

pray

with

understanding

In

other

words

not

only

will

I

pray

and

be

edified

through

my

own

prayer

which

I

understand

but

others

dont

I

will

also

pray

so

that

fruit

is

produced

in

the

congregation

to

their

edification

The

same

goes

for

singing

It

hinges

back

to

the

verse

before

it

The

idea

of

the

speakers

understanding

also

producing

fruit

understanding

in

the

audiences

mind

This

thought

is

then

extended

and

clarified

in

and

where

a

person

who

doesnt

understand

the

praise

being

given

to

God

cant

say

Amen

to

your

thanksgiving

He

doesnt

know

what

you

are

saying

Youre

giving

thanks

well

enough

but

the

other

man

is

not

edified

I

dont

think

understanding

is

excluded

here

since

it

really

refers

to

the

audience

not

the

speaker

I

cant

see

a

natural

reading

of

Corinthians

with

your

thesis

that

Paul

just

talks

about

foreign

natural

languages

here

Your

thesis

seems

very

contrived

I

dont

think

so

As

Ive

attempted

to

demonstrate

above

each

passage

can

be

understood

in

light

of

real

language

I

have

seen

people

quote

Ch

where

there

are

prophecies

they

will

cease

where

there

are

tongues

they

will

be

stilled

as

an

argument

why

modern

Charismatic

practice

is

ungodly

but

I

have

never

heard

anyone

denying

that

glossolalia

is

reported

and

discussed

in

the

New

Testament

I

am

greatly

puzzled

here

I

think

that

hinges

on

the

PentecostalCharismatic

understanding

of

tonguesglossolalia

For

these

Christians

tongues

can

only

mean

glossolalia

otherwise

what

they

are

producingdoing

doesnt

have

any

Scriptural

reference

The

word

used

was

glossa

and

its

meaning

is

language

PentecostalCharismatic

Christians

are

reading

into

the

text

something

that

is

just

not

there

I

think

some

of

this

centers

on

the

meaning

of

the

phrase

praying

in

the

Spirit

Its

only

mentioned

three

times

in

the

Bible

Corinthians

Ephesians

and

Jude

The

Greek

word

translated

pray

in

can

have

several

different

meanings

It

can

mean

by

means

of

with

the

help

of

in

the

sphere

of

and

in

connection

to

Praying

in

the

Spirit

does

not

refer

to

the

words

we

are

saying

Rather

it

refers

to

how

we

are

praying

Praying

in

the

Spirit

is

praying

according

to

the

Spirits

leading

It

is

praying

for

things

the

Spirit

leads

us

to

pray

for

Therefore

praying

in

the

Spirit

should

be

understood

as

praying

in

the

power

of

the

Spirit

by

the

leading

of

the

Spirit

and

according

to

His

will

not

as

praying

in

tongues

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January

at

Looks

like

I

cant

post

two

longer

comments

right

after

one

another

It

times

out

on

me

Ill

post

part

of

ASAP

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Kavik

January

at

For

if

I

pray

in

a

tongue

my

spirit

prays

but

my

mind

is

unfruitful

Sounds

like

an

accurate

description

of

glossolalia

to

me

Matches

the

findings

that

the

higher

language

centers

in

the

brain

are

not

involved

mind

is

unfruitful

Certainly

he

did

not

have

brain

imaging

but

only

introspection

to

come

to

this

formulation

From

there

Paul

seems

to

equate

praying

in

a

tongue

with

praying

with

my

The

results

from

the

study

done

by

the

University

of

PA

that

you

refer

to

the

one

where

they

did

SPECT

imaging

of

tonguesspeakers

seem

to

support

the

idea

that

the

reason

the

language

centers

of

the

brain

are

not

overly

active

during

the

production

of

glossolalia

tongues

is

because

glossolalia

is

not

language

I

think

the

results

could

be

skewed

either

to

support

or

refute

tongues

thus

should

not

be

relied

on

as

evidence

or

proof

to

support

either

view

If

I

pray

in

a

language

my

spirit

prays

but

my

understandingmind

produces

no

fruit

Again

to

paraphrase

a

little

from

the

aforementioned

book

Tongues

Revisited

What

is

the

fruit

that

a

persons

mind

bears

I

think

the

reasonable

answer

is

understanding

An

important

question

must

also

be

asked

Where

does

a

persons

mind

bear

fruit

or

produce

understanding

The

Charismatic

response

is

In

the

persons

own

mind

This

hinges

on

the

use

of

the

word

akarpos

unfruitful

in

Greek

It

can

be

used

either

with

and

active

meaning

or

a

passive

meaning

Charismatic

Christians

take

the

meaning

as

passive

producing

no

understanding

in

the

speakers

mind

However

this

answer

is

clearly

wrong

The

text

identifies

the

fruit

of

a

persons

mind

as

being

the

understanding

that

occurs

in

the

mind

of

others

not

their

own

This

is

an

extremely

important

point

as

virtually

the

whole

charismatic

view

of

tongues

finally

swings

on

the

word

unfruitful

referring

to

the

speakers

own

mind

Akarpos

may

be

also

used

passively

that

part

of

the

text

does

not

center

on

the

activity

or

nonactivity

of

the

speakers

mind

but

rather

on

potential

benefit

derived

by

listeners

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whole

context

of

Corinthians

is

the

effect

upon

the

hearers

of

untranslated

languages

Pauls

concern

is

the

edification

of

the

group

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should

be

taken

as

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spirit

prays

but

my

mind

does

not

produce

fruit

in

others

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other

words

my

mind

my

understanding

ie

the

fact

that

I

understand

what

Im

saying

produces

no

fruit

in

others

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they

dont

understand

my

language

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is

interesting

to

note

that

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Bible

of

renders

the

phrase

as

my

mindunderstanding

brings

no

one

fruit

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has

to

wonder

if

perhaps

Luther

understood

the

passive

meaning

of

the

phrase

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will

pray

with

my

spirit

but

I

will

also

pray

with

my

understanding

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like

Paul

implies

that

praying

with

his

spirit

excludes

understanding

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a

good

match

for

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will

pray

with

my

spirit

ie

pray

in

the

power

of

the

Spirit

by

the

leading

of

the

Spirit

and

according

to

His

will

and

I

will

also

pray

with

understanding

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other

words

not

only

will

I

pray

and

be

edified

through

my

own

prayer

which

I

understand

but

others

dont

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will

also

pray

so

that

fruit

is

produced

in

the

congregation

to

their

edification

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same

goes

for

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hinges

back

to

the

verse

before

it

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idea

of

the

speakers

understanding

also

producing

fruit

understanding

in

the

audiences

mind

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thought

is

then

extended

and

clarified

in

and

where

a

person

who

doesnt

understand

the

praise

being

given

to

God

cant

say

Amen

to

your

thanksgiving

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doesnt

know

what

you

are

saying

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giving

thanks

well

enough

but

the

other

man

is

not

edified

I

dont

think

understanding

is

excluded

here

since

it

really

refers

to

the

audience

not

the

speaker

I

cant

see

a

natural

reading

of

Corinthians

with

your

thesis

that

Paul

just

talks

about

foreign

natural

languages

here

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thesis

seems

very

contrived

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dont

think

so

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Ive

attempted

to

demonstrate

above

each

passage

can

be

understood

in

light

of

real

language

I

have

seen

people

quote

Ch

where

there

are

prophecies

they

will

cease

where

there

are

tongues

they

will

be

stilled

as

an

argument

why

modern

Charismatic

practice

is

ungodly

but

I

have

never

heard

anyone

denying

that

glossolalia

is

reported

and

discussed

in

the

New

Testament

I

am

greatly

puzzled

here

I

think

that

hinges

on

the

PentecostalCharismatic

understanding

of

tonguesglossolalia

For

these

Christians

tongues

can

only

mean

glossolalia

otherwise

what

they

are

producingdoing

doesnt

have

any

Scriptural

reference

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word

used

was

glossa

and

its

meaning

is

language

PentecostalCharismatic

Christians

are

reading

into

the

text

something

that

is

just

not

there

I

think

some

of

this

centers

on

the

meaning

of

the

phrase

praying

in

the

Spirit

Its

only

mentioned

three

times

in

the

Bible

Corinthians

Ephesians

and

Jude

The

Greek

word

translated

pray

in

can

have

several

different

meanings

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can

mean

by

means

of

with

the

help

of

in

the

sphere

of

and

in

connection

to

Praying

in

the

Spirit

does

not

refer

to

the

words

we

are

saying

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it

refers

to

how

we

are

praying

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in

the

Spirit

is

praying

according

to

the

Spirits

leading

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is

praying

for

things

the

Spirit

leads

us

to

pray

for

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praying

in

the

Spirit

should

be

understood

as

praying

in

the

power

of

the

Spirit

by

the

leading

of

the

Spirit

and

according

to

His

will

not

as

praying

in

tongues

Loading

Amy

September

at

The

way

I

understand

it

the

gift

of

speaking

and

understanding

in

a

different

language

was

a

beautiful

gift

by

God

when

he

changed

the

language

of

the

people

that

were

trying

to

build

the

tower

to

Heaven

I

was

raised

pentecostal

and

taught

very

strictly

their

beliefs

My

family

is

still

pentecostal

and

I

have

a

great

respect

for

them

all

I

respect

anyone

that

can

live

each

day

in

kindness

love

and

faith

I

ran

across

this

while

researching

the

Bible

for

myself

as

well

as

for

my

daughter

I

am

trying

to

understand

Gods

Word

for

myself

own

values

beliefs

teachings

studies

peers

and

everything

else

related

to

science

to

admit

a

supernatural

force

liken

to

the

very

one

they

believe

never

existed

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would

I

believe

any

study

done

by

someone

that

thinks

they

are

related

closely

to

a

monkey

and

we

are

all

simply

evolved

gorillas

I

dont

hold

much

regard

in

the

main

article

as

I

found

it

to

be

rather

distasteful

and

actually

sad

I

feel

sorry

for

the

author

Enlightment

should

only

come

thru

self

discoveryIf

not

wouldnt

you

always

question

the

validity

I

would

and

I

wish

you

all

the

best

Dave

Post

author

September

at

Hi

Amy

I

think

I

should

add

one

key

observation

No

amount

of

belief

makes

something

a

fact

You

will

need

to

ask

yourself

this

question

Are

you

interested

in

knowing

what

is

actually

true

or

simply

embracing

a

belief

that

is

popular

The

one

person

that

will

always

be

inclined

to

fool

us

the

most

is

ourselves

and

so

we

all

need

to

start

by

working

out

a

reliable

way

of

determining

what

is

and

is

not

objectively

true

If

you

dont

have

a

reliable

way

of

doing

that

then

you

cant

really

have

any

confidence

in

any

conclusions

Lin

January

at

Mike

youre

being

analytical

No

offence

If

you

experience

it

you

know

its

right

and

you

are

in

tune

with

God

The

natural

man

understands

not

the

things

of

God

Challenge

Him

All

the

talk

in

the

world

is

futile

He

simply

lays

it

down

and

if

we

follow

it

well

get

the

answer

Repent

be

baptised

and

guess

what

youll

receive

the

Holy

Spirit

Say

hallelujah

over

and

over

and

your

tongue

WILL

change

You

have

to

be

absolutely

sincere

in

your

approach

Test

it

But

all

the

waffle

in

the

world

as

we

do

will

bring

about

nothing

Linda

January

at

Whether

the

tongue

sounds

like

a

natural

language

or

not

is

irrelevant

It

can

though

as

proven

by

certain

comments

here

My

words

are

short

and

hopefully

sweet

When

you

debate

against

tongues

youre

debating

against

God

Man

is

so

clever

in

his

own

mind

that

he

doesnt

see

the

real

picture

We

love

to

analyse

We

get

on

our

soap

box

Im

amazed

at

how

many

comments

are

on

here

arguing

away

at

the

tongue

issue

You

know

what

the

thing

that

man

can

not

control

is

the

tongue

Its

full

of

envy

strife

etc

thats

why

the

Lord

Kavik

January

at

The

tongues

Pentecostal

and

Charismatic

Christians

are

producing

today

is

an

entirely

selfcreated

phenomenon

It

is

noncognitive

nonlanguage

utterance

random

free

vocalization

based

upon

a

subset

of

the

existing

sounds

of

the

speakers

native

language

and

any

other

languages

the

speaker

may

be

familiar

with

or

have

had

contact

with

It

is

typically

characterized

by

repetitive

syllables

plays

on

sound

patterns

and

oversimplification

of

syllable

structure

There

is

nothing

that

these

speakers

are

producing

that

can

not

be

explained

in

natural

linguistic

terms

Conversely

there

are

no

Biblical

references

to

tongues

that

can

not

be

explained

with

respect

to

real

language

The

idea

that

debating

against

tongues

is

debating

against

God

doesnt

stand

as

there

is

nothing

in

the

Bible

that

references

what

PentecostalCharismatic

Christians

are

doing

Theres

no

arguing

against

the

Creator

here

just

a

total

redefinition

of

Scripture

by

tongues

speakers

to

proof

what

they

are

producing

is

in

the

Bible

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seem

to

forget

that

tongues

is

just

a

somewhat

archaic

word

for

languages

Replace

tongues

with

languages

in

these

passages

and

the

whole

modern

concept

of

tongues

begins

to

sound

considerably

less

mysterious

and

mysticalangelic

Indeed

it

begins

to

become

difficult

to

posit

the

modern

PentecostalCharismatic

concept

of

tongues

Pentecostal

and

Charismatic

tonguesspeakers

look

for

Biblical

references

for

what

they

are

doing

however

they

are

simply

not

there

The

resulting

implicit

theology

is

not

a

synthesis

of

revelation

and

philosophy

but

rather

a

synthesis

of

trying

to

make

sense

of

the

tongues

experience

in

light

of

the

narrative

of

Scripture

In

other

words

a

way

to

legitimize

the

modern

phenomenon

by

proofing

it

in

the

Bible

despite

the

obvious

overwhelming

absence

therein

of

anything

resembling

modern

tongues

call

it

what

you

will

but

the

result

was

a

virtual

redefinition

of

Scripture

with

respect

to

the

understandingjustification

of

modern

tongues

for

this

group

of

Christians

Tongues

is

simply

not

what

its

speakers

wantneed

it

to

be

Modern

tongues

is

just

another

tool

like

chanting

or

meditation

etc

a

way

by

which

one

may

establish

a

closer

relationship

with

the

divine

In

this

respect

ie

as

the

tool

it

is

it

can

be

quite

powerful

to

accomplish

this

goal

Known

by

many

different

names

tongues

is

practiced

by

many

cultures

and

religious

beliefs

from

all

over

the

world

it

is

relatively

new

to

Christianity

and

certainly

not

unique

to

it

Frequently

going

handinhand

with

tongues

interpretation

may

also

be

said

to

be

a

selfcreated

phenomenon

Interpretations

inspired

by

ones

deep

faith

and

beliefs

are

typically

inordinately

longer

than

the

actual

glossic

utterance

The

relatively

generic

messages

however

do

not

suggest

anything

divinely

inspired

This

is

clearly

evidenced

in

that

the

same

glossic

string

played

to

ten

different

interpreters

yields

ten

nonrelated

results

In

tongues

a

big

brown

dog

can

also

be

a

small

white

cat

The

common

answer

is

that

Godthe

Holy

Spirit

gives

different

interpretations

to

different

people

To

paraphrase

from

a

few

writersPentecostal

Darwinism

however

does

not

exist

theres

no

mutation

or

transformation

of

one

message

into

several

for

the

sake

of

justifying

an

obvious

discrepancy

If

this

were

the

case

it

would

completely

eradicate

the

need

for

tongues

in

the

first

place

Its

akin

to

improv

Youre

an

actor

Whats

your

motivation

Youre

God

and

you

want

to

say

something

encouraging

andor

inspiring

to

the

gathered

audience

Improvise

Go

mario

January

at

Where

in

the

word

of

God

do

we

any

just

say

repeat

hallelujah

When

anyone

received

the

sign

gift

it

was

instant

Not

something

one

could

be

taught

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with

OUT

repenting

AND

being

water

baptised

YOU

WILL

NOT

RECEIVE

THE

GIFT

OF

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

so

its

not

the

holy

spirits

gift

YOU

HAVE

TO

BE

SINCERE

IN

YOUR

APPROACH

SO

YOU

ARE

THE

CAUSE

OF

THE

GIFT

DOES

THE

BIBLE

ALL

SPEAK

IN

TONGUES

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so

we

all

should

be

pastors

prophets

teachers

ect

OR

WE

ARE

ALL

the

eye

the

foot

the

body

the

hip

Linda

January

at

Im

not

going

to

elaborate

As

you

say

hallelujah

your

tongue

will

change

You

have

to

be

of

a

contrite

heart

Its

there

for

all

but

not

all

will

take

heed

Without

my

Spirit

you

are

of

mine

Ive

told

you

how

to

receive

it

Its

now

up

to

you

Stay

skeprical

if

you

want

to

My

sheep

know

my

voice

Amen

mario

January

at

Thanks

for

the

comments

We

should

also

understand

we

believe

by

faith

and

not

by

sight

So

one

has

to

beware

as

we

know

emotions

feeling

and

experience

can

not

be

relied

upon

as

they

change

But

Gods

work

never

changes

rusonik

January

at

i

had

a

neighbor

who

claimed

to

the

capacity

to

speak

in

tongues

and

she

claimed

that

she

was

speaking

in

ancient

hebrew

I

asked

her

how

she

knew

it

was

in

ancient

hebrew

and

she

stated

that

it

sounded

like

the

hebrew

she

heard

on

TV

I

pointed

out

that

hebrew

was

already

a

dead

language

by

the

time

of

the

so

called

biblical

timer

of

christ

And

today

hebrew

is

taught

like

latin

phonetically

and

we

have

no

way

to

know

what

the

original

hebrew

alphabet

sounded

like

And

se

was

just

mimicking

what

she

heard

on

TV

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Kavik

January

at

I

think

this

is

very

typical

people

say

it

sounds

like

language

X

not

it

IS

language

X

We

do

know

what

Hebrew

sounded

like

in

the

first

century

AD

not

sure

if

thats

whats

usedtaught

in

Judaism

today

with

respect

to

reading

from

Torah

etc

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is

different

from

modern

Hebrew

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mario

January

at

Hi

Mike

January

at

Paul

wrote

Corinthians

about

years

after

Pentecost

What

happened

before

that

Pentecost

from

then

what

happened

Pentecost

Holy

Spirit

and

tongues

years

later

again

at

Samaritan

Peter

and

John

Holy

Spirit

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tongues

years

later

Paul

conversion

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Holy

Spirit

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tongues

years

later

Cornelius

conversion

Peter

Holy

Spirit

and

tongues

years

later

Ephesus

Paul

Holy

Spirit

and

tongues

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was

tongues

at

Pentecost

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was

tongues

and

later

SURELY

EARTHLY

EARTHLY

LANGUAGES

IF

PAUL

SPOKE

MORE

EARTHLY

LANGUAGES

THAN

MOST

FOLK

AT

THAT

TIME

PAUL

COULD

SAY

I

SPEAK

MORE

TONGUES

THAN

ANYONE

BUT

IF

YOU

CONCLUDE

THAT

PAUL

MEANT

HE

SPENT

MORE

TIME

PRAYING

IN

HEAVENLY

TONGUES

THAN

ANYONE

ELSE

HOW

WOULD

HE

KNOW

THAT

LOTS

RELIGIOUS

FOLKS

COULD

BE

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

OR

MORE

HOURS

A

DAY

HOW

WOULD

PAUL

KNOW

HOW

MANY

HOURS

EACH

PERSON

SPOKE

IN

TONGUES

Example

could

Paul

really

know

how

many

hours

he

prayed

what

about

LUKE

and

then

was

a

widow

to

the

age

of

eightyfour

She

never

left

the

temple

but

worshiped

night

and

day

fasting

and

praying

The

listeners

listed

all

their

various

nationalities

and

observed

again

that

they

HEARD

the

speakers

speaking

of

the

mighty

deeds

of

God

in

their

own

tongues

glossa

meaning

EARTHLY

languages

The

miracle

HEARING

I

could

be

speaking

Galilean

but

you

heard

it

in

English

Initial

giving

of

the

Spirit

to

different

people

groups

in

the

book

of

Acts

Jews

Acts

Samaritans

implied

in

Acts

Gentiles

Acts

disciples

of

John

the

Baptist

Acts

Loading

Mike

January

at

I

guess

the

Apostle

Paul

was

deluded

when

he

said

that

he

was

glad

that

he

spoke

more

in

tongues

than

others

Someone

should

have

told

him

it

was

all

in

his

mind

and

make

believe

Loading

mario

January

at

Hi

Carol

I

KNOW

WE

ARE

ON

A

DIFFERENT

SUBJECT

BUT

THANKS

FOR

THE

COMMENTS

IRON

SHARPENS

IRON

Exodus

For

in

six

days

the

LORD

made

the

heavens

and

the

earth

the

sea

and

all

that

is

in

them

but

he

rested

on

the

seventh

day

Therefore

the

LORD

blessed

the

Sabbath

day

and

made

it

holy

The

Hebrew

word

yom

and

its

plural

form

yamim

are

used

over

times

in

the

Old

Testament

Outside

of

the

Genesis

case

in

question

the

twohundred

plus

occurrences

of

yom

preceded

by

ordinals

all

refer

to

a

normal

twentyfour

hour

day

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the

sevenhundred

plus

appearances

of

yamim

always

refer

to

a

regular

day

Thus

it

is

argued

that

the

Exodus

reference

to

the

six

yamim

of

creation

must

also

refer

to

six

regular

For

example

have

you

read

Numbers

recently

It

is

one

of

those

boring

sections

that

you

would

rather

skip

over

in

your

Bible

reading

plan

forgetting

what

Timothy

says

Well

in

Numbers

the

tribes

of

Israel

bring

their

gifts

for

the

Tabernacle

to

Moses

In

Numbers

we

read

that

the

tribe

of

Judah

brought

their

offering

on

the

first

day

On

the

second

day

the

tribe

of

Issachar

came

Numbers

Zebulun

brought

their

offering

on

the

third

day

Numbers

Since

a

day

with

the

Lord

is

as

a

thousand

years

Peter

Why

did

God

take

six

days

Was

there

death

pain

and

suffering

before

Adam

and

Eves

sin

At

the

close

of

the

Creation

Week

God

called

everything

He

had

made

very

good

This

is

powerful

evidence

against

the

idea

that

long

ages

of

suffering

and

dying

took

place

before

the

first

man

and

woman

Adam

and

Eve

appeared

If

you

think

about

it

an

infinite

Creator

God

could

have

created

everything

in

no

time

Why

then

did

He

take

as

long

as

six

days

The

answer

is

given

in

Exodus

Here

we

find

that

God

tells

us

that

He

deliberately

took

six

days

and

rested

for

one

as

a

pattern

for

manthis

is

where

the

sevenday

week

comes

from

The

sevenday

week

has

no

basis

for

existing

except

from

Scripture

If

one

believes

that

the

days

of

creation

are

long

periods

of

time

then

the

week

becomes

meaningless

The

Bible

tells

us

that

Adam

was

created

on

the

sixth

day

If

he

lived

through

day

six

and

day

seven

and

then

died

when

he

was

years

old

and

if

each

of

these

days

was

a

thousand

or

a

million

years

you

have

major

problems

On

the

fourth

day

of

creation

Genesis

we

are

given

the

comparison

of

day

to

night

and

days

to

years

If

the

word

day

doesnt

mean

an

ordinary

day

then

the

comparison

of

day

to

night

and

day

to

years

becomes

meaningless

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January

at

Carole

January

at

Is

there

any

scriptures

that

command

or

instruct

us

to

speak

in

tongues

If

tongues

is

so

important

why

is

it

not

a

requirements

for

bishop

Elders

pastors

and

deacons

See

Timothy

Here

is

a

trustworthy

saying

Whoever

aspires

to

be

an

overseer

desires

a

noble

task

Now

the

overseer

is

to

be

above

reproach

faithful

to

his

wife

temperate

selfcontrolled

respectable

hospitable

able

to

teach

not

given

to

drunkenness

not

violent

but

gentle

not

quarrelsome

not

a

lover

of

money

He

must

manage

his

own

family

well

and

see

that

his

children

obey

him

and

he

must

do

so

in

a

manner

worthy

of

full

respect

If

anyone

does

not

know

how

to

manage

his

own

family

how

can

he

take

care

of

Gods

church

He

must

See

Titus

An

elder

must

be

blameless

faithful

to

his

wife

a

man

whose

children

believe

and

are

not

open

to

the

charge

of

being

wild

and

disobedient

Since

an

overseer

manages

Gods

household

he

must

be

blamelessnot

overbearing

not

quicktempered

not

given

to

drunkenness

not

violent

not

pursuing

dishonest

gain

Rather

he

must

be

hospitable

one

who

loves

what

is

good

who

is

selfcontrolled

upright

holy

and

disciplined

He

must

hold

firmly

to

the

trustworthy

message

as

it

has

been

taught

so

that

he

can

encourage

others

by

sound

doctrine

and

refute

those

who

oppose

it

See

Timothy

In

the

same

way

deacons

are

to

be

worthy

of

respect

sincere

not

indulging

in

much

wine

and

not

pursuing

dishonest

gain

They

must

keep

hold

of

the

deep

truths

of

the

faith

with

a

clear

conscience

They

must

first

be

tested

and

then

if

there

is

nothing

against

them

let

them

serve

as

deacons

In

the

same

way

the

women

are

to

be

worthy

of

respect

not

malicious

talkers

but

temperate

and

trustworthy

in

everything

A

deacon

must

be

faithful

to

his

wife

and

must

manage

his

children

and

his

household

well

Those

who

have

IF

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

IS

NECESSARY

AND

IMPORTANT

SHOULD

THEY

NOT

ELDERS

DEACONS

AND

PASTORS

HAVE

THEM

MORE

THAN

AN

ORDINARY

PERSON

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ASSIGNED

TO

A

POST

WHY

IS

TONGUES

NOT

A

FRUIT

OF

THE

SPIRIT

Galatians

But

the

fruit

of

the

Spirit

is

love

joy

peace

forbearance

kindness

goodness

faithfulness

gentleness

and

selfcontrol

Against

such

things

there

is

no

law

SHOULD

IT

BE

For

many

years

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

it

was

confined

to

the

Pentecostal

churches

but

now

crosses

all

denominational

lines

in

the

form

of

what

is

called

the

Charismatic

Movement

Even

Roman

Catholics

Protestants

cults

and

some

who

call

themselves

Baptists

practice

tongues

and

have

joined

the

movement

Are

tongues

in

your

assembly

different

from

all

these

other

tongues

because

everything

is

done

decently

and

in

order

You

have

up

to

messages

in

tongues

with

an

interpretation

after

each

message

and

then

at

the

most

prophecies

IF

THE

MESSAGES

ARE

INTERPRETED

WHY

NOT

JUST

HAVE

THE

MESSAGE

IN

YOUR

OWN

LANGUAGE

TO

START

WITH

WAS

SPEAKING

IN

TONGUES

IN

ACTS

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magnifying

and

glorifying

GOD

IN

COMMON

EARTHLY

LANGUAGES

YOU

MENTIONED

THE

FOLLOWING

I

ANSWERED

WITH

CAPITALS

TO

MAKE

IT

EASIER

TO

UNDERSTAND

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are

expected

to

repent

REPENT

FROM

WHAT

REPENT

FROM

OUR

SINS

OR

REPENT

FROM

UNBELIEF

TO

BELIEF

IN

JESUS

OR

REPENT

FROM

OUR

MISTAKES

turn

away

from

our

own

ideas

WHAT

IDEAS

DO

WE

TURN

FROM

get

baptised

SO

TO

BE

BORN

AGAIN

WE

NEED

TO

BE

WATER

BAPTISED

the

Greek

word

meaning

inundated

NOT

sprinkled

christening

is

not

mentioned

in

the

Bible

how

can

a

baby

or

small

child

repent

AND

you

shall

receive

the

Holy

SpiritSO

WE

RECEIVE

THE

HOLY

SPIRIT

BY

BEING

WATER

BAPTIZED

Speaking

in

tongues

is

the

outward

manifestation

of

an

inward

experienceDOES

THE

Its

to

be

used

in

our

daily

prayer

life

SO

SPEAKING

SOMETHING

YOU

DO

NOT

UNDERSTAND

IT

MAKES

YOU

FEEL

BETTER

DID

JESUS

SPEAK

IN

TONGUES

AS

HE

WAS

FILLED

WITH

THE

HOLY

SPIRIT

DID

HE

EVER

INSTRUCT

HIS

DISCIPLES

OR

THE

JEWS

TO

SPEAK

IN

TONGUES

as

well

as

in

the

operation

of

the

Spiritual

Gifts

during

a

meeting

I

prefer

not

to

say

church

as

The

Church

is

the

Body

of

Christ

and

without

receiving

the

Holy

Spirit

speaking

on

tongues

you

are

of

His

Repent

get

baptised

and

receive

the

Holy

Spirit

I

promise

you

your

SO

YOU

ARE

SAYING

ONE

MUST

REPENT

FROM

WHAT

BE

WATER

BAPTISED

SPEAK

IN

TONGUES

OTHERWISE

ONE

IS

NOT

SAVED

is

that

what

the

bible

teaches

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Carole

January

at

Mario

Repentance

means

basically

to

turn

away

from

our

own

way

of

thinking

and

turn

to

the

Lord

Before

I

was

baptised

under

the

water

I

didnt

really

know

what

repentance

was

so

I

said

in

my

mind

forgive

me

Lord

for

sinning

against

you

my

parents

and

my

own

body

anorexia

Just

a

few

scriptures

for

you

Mark

Acts

Acts

The

Lord

Jesus

had

no

need

to

speak

in

tongues

He

was

God

as

a

man

Men

and

women

including

Mary

and

the

Lords

disciples

were

there

on

the

day

of

Pentecost

where

they

were

filled

with

Loading

Carole

January

at

Good

morning

Mario

Yes

unless

we

receive

the

Holy

Spirit

speaking

in

tongues

we

arent

saved

The

elders

bishops

etc

of

the

NT

did

speak

in

tongues

I

read

my

Bible

for

a

few

years

before

I

was

saved

I

could

understand

some

of

the

Gospels

ie

MattJohn

but

as

soon

as

I

received

the

Spirit

speaking

in

tongues

and

looked

at

Gods

Word

Bible

I

said

to

my

mum

wow

its

speaking

to

me

Genesis

to

me

back

then

was

just

about

thou

and

thee

now

its

clear

The

Lord

didnt

create

the

world

in

consecutive

days

as

Loading

Carole

January

at

Carole

January

at

The

Lord

expects

us

to

do

everything

decently

and

in

order

as

the

scriptures

says

and

not

to

burst

out

in

tongues

willy

nilly

The

assembly

I

attend

does

everything

decently

and

in

order

We

have

up

to

messages

in

tongues

with

an

interpretation

after

each

message

and

then

at

the

most

prophecies

I

received

the

Holy

Spirit

speaking

in

tongues

years

ago

that

experience

has

never

left

me

At

that

time

I

suffered

with

anorexia

nervosa

the

Lord

heal

me

We

are

expected

to

repent

turn

away

from

our

own

ideas

get

baptised

the

Greek

word

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L

January

at

Yes

Carole

You

hit

it

on

the

head

Anon

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January

at

Wow

mindblowing

girl

Not

wishy

woshy

Its

so

clear

to

me

now

Kavik

January

at

Speaking

in

tongues

is

the

outward

manifestation

of

an

inward

experience

Yes

but

that

outward

manifestation

is

entirely

selfcreated

Modern

tongues

are

simply

a

tool

Read

some

of

the

posts

below

Modern

tongues

are

noncognitive

nonlanguage

utterance

based

primarily

upon

the

speakers

own

native

language

There

are

hundreds

of

examples

which

have

been

recorded

andor

transcribed

and

analyzed

Not

one

has

ever

been

found

to

be

real

language

let

alone

something

that

wasis

spoken

somewhere

in

the

world

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Carole

January

at

Hi

Kavik

Some

tongues

languages

are

recognisable

My

mum

gave

a

message

in

tongues

at

a

Sunday

meeting

and

there

were

a

couple

who

had

lived

in

Africa

they

said

she

had

an

African

dialect

Tongues

of

angels

and

of

men

One

chap

in

our

meeting

though

not

entirely

all

in

the

French

language

gives

messages

in

tongues

and

I

recognise

some

words

as

French

as

I

learned

it

at

school

Dan

OBrien

November

at

Hello

I

found

your

excellent

post

after

a

search

related

to

an

unrelated

idea

As

someone

who

was

a

fullon

tongue

talking

prophecying

vision

having

freaknut

pentecostal

for

twenty

years

I

feel

I

may

have

an

interesting

perspective

on

such

things

and

even

though

this

is

an

old

post

I

cant

help

but

say

my

tuppence

worth

I

am

now

an

atheist

after

realising

over

an

agonising

few

years

that

everything

Id

built

my

life

on

for

most

of

my

adult

life

was

a

crock

of

shite

I

was

previously

involved

with

the

Toronto

blessing

and

went

to

a

Pentecostal

Bible

College

for

two

years

amongst

other

things

studying

New

Testament

Greek

and

a

smattering

of

OT

Hebrew

along

with

a

very

strangely

skewed

version

of

Church

History

I

know

the

Bible

better

than

anyone

Ive

ever

met

and

I

can

categorically

say

I

dont

believe

a

word

of

it

As

for

tongues

I

came

to

the

conclusion

long

ago

that

it

is

as

this

article

partly

suggests

a

taught

response

that

is

not

entirely

without

its

merits

as

a

form

of

releasing

your

innermost

feelings

in

the

form

of

random

gibberish

and

depending

on

your

variety

of

lunacy

groaning

weeping

laughing

and

making

pronouncements

of

meaning

and

feigned

power

It

feels

really

nice

to

do

and

one

sometimes

enters

into

a

similar

state

to

some

forms

of

meditation

Especially

if

you

do

the

soaking

stuff

where

you

all

lie

around

on

the

floor

with

floaty

music

and

say

and

If

youd

asked

me

about

it

a

decade

ago

Id

have

spouted

the

same

guff

that

all

the

religious

people

below

have

done

Its

simply

impossible

within

the

evangelical

mindset

to

accept

information

that

disagrees

with

your

understanding

of

how

the

world

works

It

truly

seems

to

be

clearly

fallacious

because

you

have

experienced

God

in

a

very

real

way

so

everything

is

viewed

from

a

highly

skewed

pespective

Its

really

difficult

to

allow

yourself

enough

doubt

to

honestly

assess

your

own

experience

For

me

this

process

took

many

years

and

was

made

possible

in

part

because

my

health

collapsed

while

I

was

a

believer

I

had

no

energy

to

read

or

listen

to

audio

books

or

talk

to

people

I

just

had

to

sit

and

think

and

in

that

situation

you

naturally

become

more

honest

with

yourself

Im

going

to

post

a

slightly

edited

version

of

this

post

on

another

thread

btw

I

like

your

website

by

the

way

If

youre

interested

in

a

highly

unusual

version

of

a

testimony

Id

love

to

write

about

it

some

more

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Dave

Post

author

November

at

Hi

Dan

if

you

write

it

all

up

Ill

happily

publish

it

as

a

separate

posting

Scott

November

at

The

human

Spirit

desires

EXPERIENCE

it

does

not

differentiate

good

from

bad

and

it

certainly

does

not

speak

through

us

but

rather

within

us

We

are

here

to

experience

life

for

our

Spirit

Higher

Self

Soul

etc

and

whether

it

be

deemed

evil

good

perfection

or

a

lie

it

is

still

experience

that

feeds

our

Spirit

On

a

human

level

speaking

in

tongues

is

unfortunately

a

farce

but

on

a

Spiritual

level

the

delusion

we

see

from

the

religious

minded

is

exactly

as

it

should

be

aaquadrat

November

at

Scott

Your

comment

is

a

bit

cryptic

I

did

not

fully

understand

Can

you

elaborate

a

bit

aaquadrat

November

at

Thanks

for

sharing

Dan

You

say

releasing

your

innermost

feelings

in

the

form

of

random

gibberish

and

maybe

this

is

actually

the

point

of

the

exercise

Opening

up

I

feels

like

reaching

a

higher

state

of

mind

However

it

does

not

work

in

the

same

way

if

your

are

not

believing

something

meaningfulDivine

is

happening

Ebel

May

at

How

does

people

respond

to

prayers

Like

falling

down

devils

dancing

etc

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May

at

J

Though

theyre

long

I

think

you

need

to

read

through

some

of

the

comments

below

with

respect

to

the

concept

of

modern

tongues

and

various

studies

done

I

think

they

will

provide

a

better

insight

to

the

phenomenon

of

modern

tonguesglossolalia

Speaking

in

tongues

is

a

real

phenomenon

but

for

PentecostalCharismatic

Christians

a

very

modern

one

though

glossolalia

itself

is

very

ancient

no

two

are

ever

the

same

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mario

May

at

Hi

all

Speaking

in

tongues

as

per

Acts

When

you

received

tongues

did

you

hear

the

sound

of

a

mighty

rushing

wind

Did

you

see

cloves

like

fire

rest

upon

you

Did

tongues

come

immediately

or

were

you

taught

how

to

pray

in

tongues

Did

any

of

the

people

that

received

the

gift

of

tongues

at

Pentecost

then

teach

other

believers

to

speak

in

tongues

Is

this

biblical

Does

the

bible

say

its

for

all

believers

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Lin

January

at

Its

not

actaught

language

but

on

receiving

it

your

tongue

changes

Tests

have

been

done

to

see

if

its

just

man

going

blah

blah

they

found

out

it

wasnt

but

something

they

couldnt

explain

The

power

of

God

Better

felt

than

telt

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Kavik

January

at

Not

sure

what

tests

youre

referring

to

but

the

only

ones

I

know

of

were

done

by

the

UP

using

SPECT

imaging

several

years

ago

The

results

of

the

study

were

exactly

as

one

would

expect

The

language

centers

of

the

brain

were

not

overly

engaged

in

producing

tongues

because

modern

tongues

are

not

language

they

are

noncognitive

nonlanguage

utterance

selfcreated

random

free

vocalization

which

is

based

upon

the

speakers

own

native

language

and

any

other

she

may

be

familiar

with

of

have

been

exposed

to

J

May

at

Hello

there

I

feel

prompted

to

comment

because

this

article

actually

doesnt

provide

hard

solid

scientific

proof

that

speaking

in

tongues

is

not

real

First

this

article

is

a

secondary

source

This

means

that

the

author

is

not

publishing

his

own

findings

but

is

reporting

on

the

findings

of

others

Therefore

the

margin

for

error

in

communication

is

increased

without

reviewing

the

cited

sources

we

can

not

know

if

the

author

of

this

article

is

presenting

study

findings

accurately

Therefore

we

can

not

accept

the

authors

assertion

that

his

article

offers

scientific

proof

Secondly

the

authors

following

claim

raises

a

red

flag

Modern

practitioners

claim

that

what

they

are

doing

is

exactly

the

same

as

the

experience

described

within

the

Book

of

Acts

however

one

huge

discrepancy

is

that

the

story

within

Book

of

Acts

describes

recognised

languages

from

all

around

the

Roman

Empire

being

spoken

In

stark

contrast

nobody

understands

the

modern

mindless

babbling

This

is

an

incorrect

and

false

assertion

I

have

personally

heard

reports

of

people

praying

in

tongues

unknown

to

them

only

for

the

tongue

to

be

recognized

by

another

individual

as

a

modern

day

language

I

do

Thirdly

the

existence

of

false

practitioners

of

tongues

people

who

imitate

or

create

languagelike

sounds

out

of

deep

belief

or

a

desire

to

deceive

is

not

sufficient

to

negate

the

existence

of

legitimate

practitioners

of

tongues

Similarly

false

practicing

born

of

a

desire

to

blend

in

to

a

spiritual

community

does

not

negate

the

existence

of

impartation

of

real

tongues

My

third

point

actually

reminds

me

of

an

episode

of

Friends

Phoebe

attempts

to

teach

Joey

basic

French

which

Joey

needs

for

an

audition

Joey

imitates

Phoebes

inflections

and

syllables

but

he

never

speaks

a

legitimate

French

word

However

although

Finally

there

are

several

issues

with

the

research

cited

in

this

article

We

do

not

know

if

any

of

the

research

conducted

was

skewed

by

research

bias

The

sample

from

Abnormal

Psychology

was

unrepresentative

only

out

of

thousands

of

unbelievers

were

studied

and

apparently

they

were

all

undergraduates

at

the

same

university

The

article

states

that

the

study

in

Abnormal

Psych

found

that

could

accomplish

it

and

could

succeed

but

the

author

of

this

article

does

not

define

what

it

is

A

made

up

language

A

real

language

that

was

unknown

to

every

student

A

made

up

language

very

similar

to

a

language

that

each

student

spoke

The

answers

to

these

questions

could

increase

or

decrease

the

studys

validity

We

do

not

know

if

the

people

Samarin

sampled

all

defined

speaking

in

tongues

the

same

way

nor

can

we

deny

the

possibility

of

uncontrolledunknown

variables

that

may

have

impacted

his

studies

There

appears

to

be

a

lack

of

repetition

among

the

studies

Scientifically

speaking

if

study

findings

can

not

be

replicated

the

findings

of

the

initial

study

are

typically

considered

anomalies

Only

three

studies

were

referenced

All

of

the

studies

are

rather

outdated

and

two

were

published

during

the

same

year

These

facts

do

not

invalidate

the

studys

findings

but

they

imply

that

research

on

the

subject

is

limited

Unfortunately

we

cant

take

the

authors

word

for

there

being

a

lot

of

independent

studies

done

because

accepting

his

word

does

not

follow

the

scientific

process

This

is

a

phenomenon

dating

back

to

Ancient

Rome

with

worldwide

reports

of

its

occurrence

Additional

studies

are

therefore

warranted

before

a

definite

conclusion

can

be

reached

The

research

critique

in

my

final

point

presents

questions

that

may

be

answered

by

reviewing

the

studies

themselves

andor

by

additional

research

However

they

are

questions

worth

asking

because

they

offer

insight

into

the

validity

of

the

research

and

because

this

article

fails

to

address

them

In

conclusion

I

wrote

this

comment

to

demonstrate

that

despite

the

authors

claims

this

article

fails

to

offer

scientific

proof

that

the

gift

of

tongues

is

not

real

When

a

reader

employs

critical

thinking

the

flaws

in

this

article

are

very

evident

so

much

information

is

lacking

and

the

authors

examination

of

the

gift

of

tongues

is

far

from

scientific

Academically

speaking

this

article

has

little

merit

One

might

find

that

the

same

can

be

said

of

the

sources

cited

I

wont

tell

you

what

to

believe

in

but

please

dont

take

this

articles

word

for

it

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May

at

J

Although

somewhat

lengthy

I

think

you

need

to

go

through

the

comments

below

to

get

more

insight

to

the

modern

phenomenon

of

tongues

with

respect

to

studies

and

general

comments

Tonguesglossolalia

is

a

real

phenomenon

but

for

PentecostalCharismatic

Christians

a

very

modern

one

glossolalia

itself

though

is

very

ancient

no

two

tongues

are

ever

the

same

as

they

are

self

created

which

negates

any

sort

of

idea

of

the

universality

of

tongues

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