Forum Active Forums General Electrical Forum Pool heat pump Gfci protection If this is your first visit be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above You must register before you can post click the register link above to proceed To start viewing posts select the forum that you want to visit from the list below Join Mike Holt on and YouTube User Tag List Results 1 to 8 of 8 Thread Pool heat pump Gfci protection Thread Tools 052417 1052 PM 1 nizak Senior Member Join Date Nov 2007 Posts 924 Mentioned 0 Posts Tagged 0 Threads Pool heat pump Gfci protection Does current code require GFCI protection for a heat pump on an inground pool The unit is 208230 V single phase Max breaker size 50A per nameplate What about an installation in 2008 would it have been required then Thank you 052517 1206 AM 2 kwired Senior Member Join Date Dec 2007 Location NE Nebraska Posts 39061 Mentioned 0 Posts Tagged 0 Threads Originally Posted by nizak Does current code require GFCI protection for a heat pump on an inground pool The unit is 208230 V single phase Max breaker size 50A per nameplate What about an installation in 2008 would it have been required then Thank you without looking Im guessing not required reason is these are not exactly direct acting like a resistance heater would be neither would a gas fired heater Circulation pumps would need protection though If I find something that says otherwise I will come back and post it 052517 1216 AM 3 peter d Senior Member Join Date Mar 2003 Location New England Posts 13675 Mentioned 0 Posts Tagged 0 Threads I connected one last year for a contractor I was working for we put it on a GFCI breaker 052517 1216 AM 4 Little Bill Moderator Join Date Dec 2010 Location Tennessee NEC2017 Posts 5017 Mentioned 3 Posts Tagged 0 Threads Ive wired a couple and neither required GFCI per the instructions I already know the NEC doesnt require it If you aim at nothing you will hit it every time 052517 0544 AM 5 Dennis Alwon Old Man Moderator in Chief Join Date Dec 2006 Location Chapel Hill NC Posts 34081 Mentioned 2 Posts Tagged 0 Threads I agree with Bill not required but I dont know why They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me I cant help it if Im lucky 052517 0903 AM 6 kwired Senior Member Join Date Dec 2007 Location NE Nebraska Posts 39061 Mentioned 0 Posts Tagged 0 Threads 68022D requires it to be at least 10 feet from inside walls of the pool 68021A1 requires branch circuits for pool associated motors to have an insulated copper EGC Dont know if they would intend that to include a heat pump compressor or not 68021C requires the circulating pump to be GFCI protected I dont believe there is much hazard to pool users should there be a ground fault on the heat pump if those rules are followed 052517 0927 AM 7 Dennis Alwon Old Man Moderator in Chief Join Date Dec 2006 Location Chapel Hill NC Posts 34081 Mentioned 2 Posts Tagged 0 Threads Originally Posted by kwired 68021A1 requires branch circuits for pool associated motors to have an insulated copper EGC Dont know if they would intend that to include a heat pump compressor or not That has changed a bit in the 2017 NEC 68021A Wiring Methods The wiring to a pool motor shall comply with A1 unless modified for specific circumstances by A2 A3 A4 or A5 1 General Wiring methods installed in the corrosive environment described in 68014 shall comply with 68014B or shall be type MC cable listed for that location Wiring methods installed in these locations shall contain an insulated copper equipment grounding conductor sized in accordance with Table 250122 but not smaller than 12 AWG Where installed in noncorrosive environments branch circuits shall comply with the general requirements in Chapter 3 They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me I cant help it if Im lucky 052517 0931 AM 8 Dennis Alwon Old Man Moderator in Chief Join Date Dec 2006 Location Chapel Hill NC Posts 34081 Mentioned 2 Posts Tagged 0 Threads New Section in the 2017 Nec So gasfired needs gfci but not a heat pump I dont get it I also dont understand what it means when it says voltages above the lowvoltage contact limit 68028 GasFired Water Heater Circuits serving gasfired swimming pool and spa water heaters operating at voltages above the lowvoltage contact limit shall be provided with groundfault circuitinterrupter protection for personnel Last edited by Dennis Alwon 052517 at 1256 PM They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me I cant help it if Im lucky Quick Navigation General Electrical Forum Top Posting Permissions You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On IMG code is On VIDEO code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules Mike Holt Enterprises 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My

new

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El

Oso

I

was

happy

to

see

DB

actually

release

some

Fat

bikes

for

All

my

other

bikes

are

also

DB

so

I

like

keeping

it

in

the

family

This

is

their

top

of

the

models

for

Check

their

site

for

more

info

Just

got

it

all

together

No

real

ride

time

yet

other

than

down

the

road

and

back

to

check

functionality

The

bike

feels

fat

and

fun

Cant

wait

to

bring

it

out

on

the

trails

and

in

the

snow

Im

never

excited

for

winter

in

NH

but

I

always

find

ways

to

make

it

through

A

couple

things

to

note

First

one

is

a

big

disappointment

The

Bluto

fork

is

only

travel

on

this

bike

NOT

the

as

listed

on

the

DB

site

For

a

bike

of

this

style

and

the

style

of

riding

it

will

be

used

for

I

dont

think

it

will

really

be

a

huge

loss

Most

other

bikes

in

this

category

also

only

come

with

travel

Not

a

big

deal

but

over

the

years

DB

has

had

a

lot

of

these

types

of

errors

in

their

specs

online

The

only

other

discrepancy

is

that

the

cutouts

on

the

I

did

do

a

couple

upgrades

but

nothing

serious

Bars

saddle

and

some

cosmetic

details

Here

are

a

couple

pics

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bike

now

ditch

that

front

derailleur

and

set

it

up

tubeless

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what

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cost

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bike

now

ditch

that

front

derailleur

and

set

it

up

tubeless

Curious

what

that

cost

Msrp

is

but

retail

is

about

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a

really

nice

looking

bike

Congrats

And

how

can

you

not

be

excited

about

winter

in

NH

One

of

our

best

seasons

Crashing

mountain

bikes

since

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we

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threads

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Which

size

did

you

go

with

I

want

the

longer

ETT

of

the

but

need

the

shorter

stand

over

of

the

Whats

it

weigh

Anything

youd

change

to

the

stock

spec

I

like

em

long

low

slack

and

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size

did

you

go

with

I

want

the

longer

ETT

of

the

but

need

the

shorter

stand

over

of

the

Whats

it

weigh

Anything

youd

change

to

the

stock

spec

I

got

the

medium

Feels

perfect

Im

I

dont

have

any

means

of

weighing

it

but

if

I

had

to

guess

if

say

around

but

take

that

for

what

its

worth

Stock

spec

feels

great

I

thought

Id

want

to

change

the

stem

but

was

happy

to

see

it

arrive

with

a

already

I

did

switch

the

rear

rotor

to

a

and

noticed

it

is

a

huge

difference

in

braking

over

the

stock

still

on

the

front

I

am

going

to

swap

the

front

to

a

just

waiting

on

the

adaptor

to

come

I

had

these

rotors

from

my

DH

bike

so

it

was

cheaper

to

go

bigger

with

the

adaptor

than

to

buy

a

rotor

The

SLX

shifts

so

perfect

I

almost

forgot

how

I

rode

it

and

I

have

to

say

Im

amazed

how

fun

this

bike

is

on

the

trail

This

may

be

common

knowledge

to

the

existing

fat

bike

owners

but

I

was

actually

surprised

how

much

you

can

ride

this

like

any

other

regular

mountain

bike

The

traction

on

dirt

is

just

insane

we

had

just

gotten

a

ton

of

rain

the

day

before

and

I

was

purposely

hitting

damp

roots

at

a

angle

to

see

if

it

would

slip

and

it

still

just

went

right

over

Riding

this

really

made

me

see

the

potential

of

how

awesome

these

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Just

saw

the

chainstays

yikes

The

new

Trek

Farley

has

a

rear

end

and

clearance

for

tires

like

the

DB

El

Oso

but

with

chainstays

I

like

em

long

low

slack

and

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saw

the

chainstays

yikes

The

new

Trek

Farley

has

a

rear

end

and

clearance

for

tires

like

the

DB

El

Oso

but

with

chainstays

Their

Bluto

equipped

option

is

also

I

know

its

apples

and

oranges

and

there

are

more

things

to

consider

than

the

fork

But

some

people

will

want

that

option

so

in

this

case

I

would

compare

somewhat

directly

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why

but

something

just

looks

off

I

cant

put

my

finger

on

it

Maybe

the

frame

just

looks

weird

to

me

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looking

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I

used

to

ride

Diamondbacks

back

in

the

and

your

El

Oso

looks

great

Im

also

and

have

short

legs

Whats

your

inseam

measurement

Any

chance

you

can

take

a

standover

frame

measurement

and

let

me

know

The

specs

on

Diamondbacks

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off

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also

and

have

short

legs

Whats

your

inseam

measurement

Any

chance

you

can

take

a

standover

frame

measurement

and

let

me

know

The

specs

on

Diamondbacks

website

look

off

Same

question

my

inseam

is

and

I

would

fit

a

medium

very

well

but

the

standover

dimension

looks

to

be

too

high

for

pretty

much

anybody

who

would

ride

a

medium

at

inches

That

cant

be

right

especially

with

the

sloping

top

tube

To

me

it

looks

more

like

in

the

photos

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Tony

What

do

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I

sat

on

the

Oso

Grande

Size

large

had

what

I

think

was

an

stem

Sent

from

my

Nexus

using

Tapatalk

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Congrats

Tony

What

do

you

think

First

impression

is

that

it

has

a

beautifully

built

frame

and

paint

job

I

only

had

the

time

today

to

remove

my

new

El

Oso

from

the

shipping

box

and

install

the

front

wheel

seat

handlebars

and

front

brake

I

hope

to

tighten

up

and

adjust

everything

tomorrow

and

hopefully

ride

it

on

Thursday

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XL

to

be

made

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El

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DB

confirmed

it

Im

and

the

is

a

touch

small

I

may

still

get

one

but

use

a

longer

stem

and

a

setback

offset

seatpost

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from

my

Nexus

using

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thinking

of

buying

one

of

these

but

concerned

with

the

overall

weight

Have

you

put

any

miles

on

it

and

would

you

recommend

it

others

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Where

did

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get

the

neon

yellow

rim

inserts

from

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be

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buy

at

I

have

the

opportunity

to

do

so

and

wondering

here

are

the

specs

FRAMEEl

Oso

Butted

Aluminum

w

Formed

Top

Down

Tube

Tapered

Machined

Headtube

Thru

Axle

Fits

up

to

tire

REAR

SHOCK

HEADSETFSA

Sealed

ACB

Integrated

CRANKSRaceface

Ride

SPROCKET

BOTTOM

BRACKETRaceface

Outboard

Bearing

FRONT

DERAILLEURShimano

Deore

High

Direct

Mount

REAR

DERAILLEURShimano

SLX

Shadow

Plus

SHIFTERShimano

SLX

COG

SETShimano

CHAINKMC

EPT

AntiRust

FRONT

HUBAlloy

Sealed

Cartridge

Bearing

Thru

REAR

HUBAlloy

Cassette

Sealed

Cartridge

Bearing

Thru

Stainless

Steel

RIMS

B

Cutout

Singlewall

TIRESKenda

Juggernaut

BRAKESShimano

Hydraulic

Disc

Rotor

BRAKE

LEVERSShimano

Hydraulic

Disc

PEDALS

B

Platform

CNC

wreplaceable

pins

sealed

cartidge

bearing

HANDLEBAR

B

Pro

width

rise

barbore

GRIPS

Lockon

Kraton

TAPE

STEM

B

Forged

Rise

SEAT

B

Race

Mseries

saddle

w

cromo

rails

SEATPOST

B

Micro

Adjust

Bluto

version

sorry

about

all

the

faces

cut

paste

translated

into

emoticons

Framebones

belt

drive

Surly

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It

doesnt

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ride

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long

as

I

ride

it

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Framebones

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Nice

DB

Very

similar

to

my

Motosame

chainstay

length

at

Mine

did

come

which

I

like

but

mil

should

be

fine

Where

in

NH

are

you

located

I

ride

the

Dover

area

plus

Fort

Rock

and

sometimes

Bear

Brook

PM

me

if

you

want

to

get

together

for

a

ride

sometime

Trek

Stache

Moto

Ti

gravel

GT

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walked

by

a

red

rigid

version

of

the

Oso

at

Costco

up

here

in

Anchorage

AK

Looked

pretty

good

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in

the

market

for

a

fattie

and

wow

the

DB

El

Oso

Grande

looks

awesome

I

want

a

rigid

fork

fattie

The

price

is

really

good

and

awesome

components

as

well

The

fat

tires

are

monstrous

Would

you

say

its

worth

it

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are

far

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that

price

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Id

be

looking

at

the

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or

a

few

others

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tires

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can

agree

with

but

the

other

components

are

good

imo

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going

with

Good

nowI

thought

it

was

all

awesome

Its

an

OK

bike

in

that

it

will

work

probably

wont

fall

apart

from

underneath

you

but

very

far

from

awesome

by

any

measure

For

under

you

can

get

the

Farley

with

similar

to

better

parts

and

Mulefuts

to

boot

Go

ahead

and

spend

that

scratch

on

the

awesome

DB

if

you

want

your

money

That

bike

would

be

a

better

deal

at

around

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more

input

or

time

on

these

I

wish

the

chainstay

length

was

shorter

Im

potentially

interested

in

the

El

Oso

and

we

shall

say

I

am

comfortable

with

the

price

for

the

spec

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El

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arrived

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size

I

threw

it

on

the

scale

at

work

Drumroll

Anyone

have

some

setup

tips

for

my

first

ride

tomorrow

Bluto

pressure

Tire

pressure

ac

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Im

sure

the

seatpost

seat

stem

bar

and

wheelset

are

pretty

heavy

Too

bad

DB

didnt

charge

another

and

spec

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the

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stem

bar

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wheelset

are

pretty

heavy

Too

bad

DB

didnt

charge

another

and

spec

Mulefuts

I

wasnt

expecting

it

to

be

much

less

Lets

be

realistic

it

is

a

fat

bike

with

a

Bluto

and

tires

The

Juggernauts

it

comes

with

arent

exactly

known

for

being

welterweight

ac

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Yeah

I

guess

what

I

was

getting

at

is

most

of

that

stuff

is

easily

and

fairly

cheaply

upgraded

however

wheels

cost

a

lot

more

and

start

tipping

the

scales

to

other

bikes

All

that

said

Im

still

interested

in

this

bike

Please

post

your

ride

impressions

etc

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Rat

Yeah

I

guess

what

I

was

getting

at

is

most

of

that

stuff

is

easily

and

fairly

cheaply

upgraded

however

wheels

cost

a

lot

more

and

start

tipping

the

scales

to

other

bikes

All

that

said

Im

still

interested

in

this

bike

Please

post

your

ride

impressions

etc

Or

you

could

just

ride

the

thing

Im

not

sure

what

else

is

out

there

in

this

price

point

Im

not

sure

youll

find

much

better

with

a

Bluto

in

this

price

range

ac

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My

El

Oso

weighs

Lbs

with

bottle

cage

tail

light

and

Fixation

platform

pedals

Im

planning

on

switching

out

the

Bluto

for

a

carbon

fork

and

installing

studded

Dillinger

once

winter

sets

in

here

in

Vermont

I

have

had

it

out

twice

now

at

Blueberry

Lake

on

machine

built

flow

trails

and

am

loving

it

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any

luck

setting

up

tubeless

Got

mine

a

few

weeks

ago

killer

deal

for

what

it

ships

with

Rode

it

all

over

the

trails

in

Fruita

the

first

weekend

I

had

it

super

fun

and

surprisingly

whippy

everyone

at

the

campfire

wanted

a

turn

on

it

But

of

course

we

pinch

flatted

it

within

a

day

running

at

an

admittedly

low

PSI

Which

leads

me

to

my

question

Has

anyone

had

luck

converting

this

thing

to

tubeless

I

wasted

a

bottle

of

orange

seal

trying

to

get

the

tire

to

grab

No

beginner

to

tubeless

setups

but

completely

new

ot

fat

bikes

I

tried

The

tires

seem

really

loose

on

the

wheels

almost

like

the

circumference

is

a

little

bigger

than

it

should

be

Used

tape

only

on

the

conversion

thinking

of

adding

some

foam

strips

on

the

edges

to

hold

the

outside

of

the

tire

to

the

edge

for

the

next

try

In

the

meantime

Im

not

too

worried

as

I

bought

it

primarily

as

a

winter

commuter

and

higher

PSIs

make

the

ride

faster

Pictured

with

the

commuting

setup

pdw

fenders

and

a

up

front

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shell

I

like

em

long

low

slack

and

playful

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No

XL

to

be

made

in

the

El

Oso

Grande

DB

confirmed

it

Im

and

the

is

a

touch

small

I

may

still

get

one

but

use

a

longer

stem

and

a

setback

offset

seatpost

Sent

from

my

Nexus

using

Tapatalk

Im

as

well

and

was

on

the

fence

but

after

riding

for

a

few

weeks

Im

happy

May

still

upgrade

the

seatpost

means

there

is

probably

a

real

cheap

Giant

dropper

out

there

somewhere

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Yessir

Thanks

Actually

I

just

realized

that

I

asked

the

wrong

question

BC

its

threaded

its

a

BSA

shell

Is

the

crank

a

or

a

with

two

spacers

on

either

side

This

thread

is

what

im

referring

to

The

BB

is

wider

and

has

spacers

on

both

sides

the

BB

shell

is

he

same

In

other

words

anyone

can

change

to

a

crank

on

a

BB

shell

Just

saying

so

theres

no

misinformation

out

there

I

like

em

long

low

slack

and

playful

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Thanks

Actually

I

just

realized

that

I

asked

the

wrong

question

BC

its

threaded

its

a

BSA

shell

Is

the

crank

a

or

a

with

two

spacers

on

either

side

This

thread

is

what

im

referring

to

Yeah

its

raceface

ride

cranks

Race

Face

Interesting

thread

I

have

goofy

legs

and

a

wide

would

be

fun

to

try

out

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Thanks

That

makes

sense

why

DB

had

to

go

with

chain

stays

then

Cant

have

a

stuffed

rear

wheel

without

super

wide

cranks

I

like

em

long

low

slack

and

playful

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I

am

looking

at

this

bike

but

no

where

near

me

to

test

out

Can

anyone

confirm

whether

the

is

big

enough

for

someone

around

The

sizing

seems

weird

and

they

all

have

crazy

tall

stand

over

heights

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I

am

looking

at

this

bike

but

no

where

near

me

to

test

out

Can

anyone

confirm

whether

the

is

big

enough

for

someone

around

The

sizing

seems

weird

and

they

all

have

crazy

tall

stand

over

heights

It

is

Sent

from

my

Nexus

using

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You

are

around

and

have

been

on

a

medium

How

did

it

ride

and

feel

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A

medium

will

be

too

small

for

me

and

may

be

for

you

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Has

anyone

had

luck

converting

this

thing

to

tubeless

I

wasted

a

bottle

of

orange

seal

trying

to

get

the

tire

to

grab

No

beginner

to

tubeless

setups

but

completely

new

ot

fat

bikes

I

tried

two

diff

air

compressors

using

a

strap

on

the

outside

using

dudes

a

bucket

etc

No

luck

The

tires

seem

really

loose

on

the

wheels

almost

like

the

circumference

is

a

little

bigger

than

it

should

be

Used

tape

only

on

the

conversion

thinking

of

adding

some

foam

strips

on

the

edges

to

hold

the

outside

of

the

tire

to

the

edge

for

the

next

try

In

the

meantime

Im

not

too

worried

as

I

bought

it

primarily

as

a

winter

commuter

and

higher

PSIs

make

the

ride

faster

Pictured

with

the

commuting

setup

pdw

fenders

and

a

up

front

was

having

the

same

problem

as

you

trying

to

get

the

surly

bud

and

lou

tubeless

on

my

fatboy

ghetto

tubeless

was

a

pain

would

not

seat

even

with

strap

so

heres

what

i

did

to

finally

get

it

done

get

the

fatty

stripper

install

stripper

with

only

one

side

of

excess

latex

sticking

out

and

air

tires

with

tube

deflate

and

carefully

remove

one

side

side

without

the

latex

out

and

take

tube

off

install

valve

stem

and

place

on

bucket

with

seal

bead

on

top

air

in

and

viola

install

on

bike

and

ride

on

driveway

for

a

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Ive

been

working

my

El

Oso

this

past

weekend

tubeless

The

foam

was

a

necessity

as

was

excessive

application

of

lubricant

to

the

bead

area

Im

still

battling

leak

on

the

rear

tire

but

Im

waiting

for

more

sealant

I

dont

think

per

wheel

is

enough

for

these

monsters

ac

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Ive

been

working

my

El

Oso

this

past

weekend

tubeless

The

foam

was

a

necessity

as

was

excessive

application

of

lubricant

to

the

bead

area

Im

still

battling

leak

on

the

rear

tire

but

Im

waiting

for

more

sealant

I

dont

think

per

wheel

is

enough

for

these

monsters

ac

I

would

guess

more

like

oz

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I

would

guess

more

like

oz

Sent

from

my

Nexus

using

Tapatalk

I

can

tell

you

from

experience

is

borderline

at

best

sealed

my

rear

right

up

up

front

doesnt

seem

to

be

working

If

the

front

doesnt

seal

Ill

be

putting

more

oz

in

once

the

reinforcement

shipment

of

sealant

comes

in

The

foam

has

also

already

packed

down

to

insufficient

for

beading

with

a

floor

pump

These

fat

bikes

are

an

amazing

amount

of

effort

to

get

tubeless

compared

to

the

Stans

kit

I

did

on

my

XC

rims

ac

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Was

hoping

to

buy

the

DB

EL

Oso

but

they

wouldnt

ship

to

Afghanistan

So

I

wound

up

getting

an

Airborne

Griffin

because

they

would

Sure

I

could

have

bothered

my

family

to

deal

with

it

but

they

already

do

enough

for

me

Maybe

Ill

look

into

one

of

these

or

the

Farley

later

on

Had

to

go

tubeless

on

my

Griffin

yesterday

as

they

ship

with

tubes

that

dont

have

removable

presta

cores

to

add

slime

Cool

thing

is

they

ship

with

new

cores

and

the

Mul

Fat

has

the

liner

already

installed

Added

Stans

sealant

after

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on

riding

a

large

frame

I

am

and

comparing

spec

of

this

bike

to

some

others

I

have

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glad

to

see

youre

sticking

with

it

even

in

Afghanistan

I

do

love

my

Farley

which

was

one

I

was

able

to

find

at

a

shop

here

in

Germany

but

Id

also

recommend

checking

out

for

a

little

more

the

new

Growler

Bikes

the

owner

is

willing

to

work

with

APO

and

supports

military

folks

They

also

ship

tubeless

Kinda

beyond

the

El

Oso

price

point

though

Trek

Farley

Farley

Growler

MBS

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Fatsalot

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Just

ordered

a

year

end

El

Oso

for

off

through

my

work

discount

program

Im

and

ordered

a

Large

Any

suggestions

on

things

to

addremove

from

it

Also

my

current

MTB

has

a

dropper

post

which

has

changed

everything

for

me

am

I

going

to

want

one

with

the

Fattie

I

mostly

purchased

it

to

ride

in

the

winter

but

wondering

if

Ill

be

missing

it

on

the

fattie

as

well

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looking

at

getting

medium

or

large

Nowhere

in

my

area

to

stand

over

them

Im

roughly

inseam

How

do

you

feel

on

the

large

Perfect

frame

could

be

a

bit

smaller

larger

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Im

looking

at

getting

medium

or

large

Nowhere

in

my

area

to

stand

over

them

Im

roughly

inseam

How

do

you

feel

on

the

large

Perfect

frame

could

be

a

bit

smaller

larger

Im

with

a

shortish

inseam

riding

a

large

Tho

the

LG

is

perfectly

adequate

in

retrospect

a

medium

wouldve

been

a

more

nimble

ride

for

me

I

find

that

the

standover

is

a

bit

muchespecially

in

snow

My

only

complaints

regarding

the

El

Oso

frame

is

the

arched

top

tube

It

tends

to

take

up

real

estate

and

requires

a

bit

more

effort

to

throw

a

leg

over

I

paid

significantly

less

than

retail

so

I

cant

bitch

too

loudly

at

all

about

this

bike

Its

a

good

bike

and

worthy

of

any

upgrades

that

you

may

consider

down

the

road

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Im

with

a

shortish

inseam

riding

a

large

Tho

the

LG

is

perfectly

adequate

in

retrospect

a

medium

wouldve

been

a

more

nimble

ride

for

me

I

find

that

the

standover

is

a

bit

muchespecially

in

snow

My

only

complaints

regarding

the

El

Oso

frame

is

the

arched

top

tube

It

tends

to

take

up

real

estate

and

requires

a

bit

more

effort

to

throw

a

leg

over

I

paid

significantly

less

than

retail

so

I

cant

bitch

too

loudly

at

all

about

this

bike

Its

a

good

bike

and

worthy

of

any

upgrades

that

you

may

consider

down

the

road

Im

on

the

inseem

Never

owned

a

mt

bike

over

Sounds

like

i

should

go

medium

then

I

too

can

not

find

this

bike

anywhere

to

sit

on

it

but

have

a

great

deal

being

offered

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Im

on

the

inseem

Never

owned

a

mt

bike

over

Sounds

like

i

should

go

medium

then

I

too

can

not

find

this

bike

anywhere

to

sit

on

it

but

have

a

great

deal

being

offered

Advise

Id

really

hate

to

give

you

ill

advice

on

this

due

to

it

being

such

a

subjective

matter

For

me

the

bike

in

a

large

just

feels

bignot

unmanagbly

huge

but

at

times

a

bit

of

a

monster

to

handle

in

tight

spaces

and

over

soft

snow

Maybe

its

just

the

inch

tires

or

maybe

I

just

prefer

a

more

playful

size

You

probably

wont

have

any

regrets

regardless

of

what

size

you

choose

You

can

change

your

cockpit

fit

up

by

changing

out

the

stem

adjusting

your

saddle

placement

etc

anyway

so

there

is

a

little

wiggle

room

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and

pant

inseam

I

guess

youre

supposed

to

measure

your

real

inseam

but

I

never

have

I

ended

up

going

with

the

large

I

would

like

to

have

a

little

more

standover

clearance

but

have

what

I

need

The

overall

bike

size

is

good

for

me

just

would

like

more

standover

Well

see

how

it

goes

when

I

need

to

put

my

feet

down

in

the

snow

and

sink

in

a

bit

my

only

concern

Other

than

that

the

large

feels

great

Also

have

a

Release

though

and

have

grown

addicted

to

the

dropper

post

would

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At

and

pant

inseam

I

guess

youre

supposed

to

measure

your

real

inseam

but

I

never

have

I

ended

up

going

with

the

large

I

would

like

to

have

a

little

more

standover

clearance

but

have

what

I

need

The

overall

bike

size

is

good

for

me

just

would

like

more

standover

Well

see

how

it

goes

when

I

need

to

put

my

feet

down

in

the

snow

and

sink

in

a

bit

my

only

concern

Other

than

that

the

large

feels

great

Also

have

a

Release

though

and

have

grown

addicted

to

the

dropper

post

would

Id

have

a

hard

time

telling

someone

that

is

footish

that

a

large

is

too

big

for

them

To

be

honest

I

havent

even

been

on

a

Mso

guess

I

probably

shouldnt

even

offer

advice

on

the

matter

I

ditched

the

front

mech

have

a

X

Fusion

Hiloheavy

but

worth

it

Ive

really

got

this

bike

dialed

in

and

am

very

very

happy

with

it

I

bought

the

bike

as

an

open

box

from

Amazon

and

it

came

with

a

bent

derailleur

hangerDB

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Forums Home Forums Conditions Fibromyalgia Forums Fibromyalgia Main Forum Pins and needles in hands when coughing Discussion in Fibromyalgia Main Forum started by lenasvn Jul 17 2006 lenasvn New Member When I cough I get a pins and needles sensation when coughing It is a remarkable sensation Does anyone have a clue what this can be I was thinking blood vessels or nerves This is not a onetime thing it happens every time Could it be my assumed neuropathy lenasvn Jul 17 2006 1 lenasvn New Member I get so few replies nowadays lenasvn Jul 18 2006 2 Marta608 Member I suggest to you that what youre sensing is a rush of oxygen to your extremities in this case your hands when you activate your lungs with a cough Try breathing in very deeply and quickly several times as you would with a cough You should get the same reaction Now breathe very deeply holding it in then letting it out slowly It should be OK and eventually youll feel more calm Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Marta Marta608 Jul 18 2006 3 mlrarr New Member I have it when I sit down When I stand up and walk it goes away I cant get an answer from the doctors so I dont know what to do and what is causing it I hope you get to feeling better Melinda mlrarr Jul 18 2006 4 TXFMmom New Member When one coughs it puts high pressure on the discs in your neck and back It can actually bulge them You could be experiencing radicular pain from this infringement on the nerves during the coughing I would have my neck checked out I have that and I have very bad cervical radiculopathy TXFMmom Jul 18 2006 5 lenasvn New Member thanks bunches for replies I am very calm and it doesnt seem to be an oxygen thing I suspect its blood vessels or nerve damage When I said I was thinking blood vessels or nerves I meant physical nerves not psychologicalLOL Sorry about the misunderstanding mlarr I get it when I stand walk or lie down Its weird isnt it Maybe someone with a diagnosed condition recognise the symptom and reply so we both get an answer I snooped online browsed and saw that there can be a myalgic deal with nerves that get compressed in the hands fingers when coughing It is farsought but possible This Message was Edited on 07182006 lenasvn Jul 18 2006 6 lenasvn New Member txfmmom it sound quite possible I have bad problems in my neck that have caused weird sensations like if I bend my head upwards in bed I feel it blocks the bloodflow I had an appt with a Rheumy yesterday but had to cancel since my daughter became too ill I will bring this symptom up among many othersLOL when I see him in September My MD doesnt do a yota for me runs some xrays that of course doenst show nerve damage compressions and the like Degenerated disks showed but as he put it everybody has those Right Anyways thanks for the tip I will read up about it This Message was Edited on 07182006 lenasvn Jul 18 2006 7 cjcookie New Member when you cough and thats what sends the sensations into your hands I guess thats what everyone else says I think the same thing would happen if you slept on your neck wrong If it doesnt go away quickly you might have reason to worry cjcookie Jul 18 2006 8 lenasvn New Member Well I had this for a year or so but got curious about the reason for it I hope this rheumy will be throughout My hands and feet have just gotten worse as time have passed many thanks and blessings to you all lenasvn Jul 18 2006 9 You must log in or sign up to reply here

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Retrieving Result Sets There are several idiomatic operations to retrieve results from the datastore Execute a query that returns rows Prepare a statement for repeated use execute it multiple times and destroy it Execute a statement in a onceoff fashion without preparing it for repeated use Execute a query that returns a single row There is a shortcut for this special case Gos databasesql function names are significant If a function name includes Query it is designed to ask a question of the database and will return a set of rows even if its empty Statements that dont return rows should not use Query functions they should use Exec Fetching Data from the Database Lets take a look at an example of how to query the database working with results Well query the users table for a user whose id is 1 and print out the users id and name We will assign results to variables a row at a time with rowsScan var id int name string rows err db Query select id name from users where id 1 if err nil log Fatal err defer rows for rows err rows Scan id name if err nil log Fatal err log Println id name err rows Err if err nil log Fatal err Heres whats happening in the above code Were using dbQuery to send the query to the database We check the error as usual We defer rowsClose This is very important We iterate over the rows with rowsNext We read the columns in each row into variables with rowsScan We check for errors after were done iterating over the rows This is pretty much the only way to do it in Go You cant get a row as a map for example Thats because everything is strongly typed You need to create variables of the correct type and pass pointers to them as shown A couple parts of this are easy to get wrong and can have bad consequences You should always check for an error at the end of the for rowsNext loop If theres an error during the loop you need to know about it Dont just assume that the loop iterates until youve processed all the rows Second as long as theres an open result set represented by rows the underlying connection is busy and cant be used for any other query That means its not available in the connection pool If you iterate over all of the rows with rowsNext eventually youll read the last row and rowsNext will encounter an internal EOF error and call rowsClose for you But if for some reason you exit that loop an early return or so on then the rows doesnt get closed and the connection remains open It is autoclosed if rowsNext returns false due to an error though This is an easy way to run out of resources rowsClose is a harmless noop if its already closed so you can call it multiple times Notice however that we check the error first and only call rowsClose if there isnt an error in order to avoid a runtime panic You should always defer rowsClose even if you also call rowsClose explicitly at the end of the loop which isnt a bad idea Dont defer within a loop A deferred statement doesnt get executed until the function exits so a longrunning function shouldnt use it If you do you will slowly accumulate memory If you are repeatedly querying and consuming result sets within a loop you should explicitly call rowsClose when youre done with each result and not use defer How Scan Works When you iterate over rows and scan them into destination variables Go performs data type conversions work for you behind the scenes It is based on the type of the destination variable Being aware of this can clean up your code and help avoid repetitive work For example suppose you select some rows from a table that is defined with string columns such as VARCHAR45 or similar You happen to know however that the table always contains numbers If you pass a pointer to a string Go will copy the bytes into the string Now you can use strconvParseInt or similar to convert the value to a number Youll have to check for errors in the SQL operations as well as errors parsing the integer This is messy and tedious Or you can just pass Scan a pointer to an integer Go will detect that and call strconvParseInt for you If theres an error in conversion the call to Scan will return it Your code is neater and smaller now This is the recommended way to use databasesql Preparing Queries You should in general always prepare queries to be used multiple times The result of preparing the query is a prepared statement which can have placeholders aka bind values for parameters that youll provide when you execute the statement This is much better than concatenating strings for all the usual reasons avoiding SQL injection attacks for example In MySQL the parameter placeholder is and in PostgreSQL it is N where N is a number SQLite accepts either of these In Oracle placeholders begin with a colon and are named like param1 Well use because were using MySQL as our example stmt err db Prepare select id name from users where id if err nil log Fatal err defer stmt rows err stmt Query 1 if err nil log Fatal err defer rows for rows if err rows Err err nil log Fatal err Under the hood dbQuery actually prepares executes and closes a prepared statement Thats three roundtrips to the database If youre not careful you can triple the number of database interactions your application makes Some drivers can avoid this in specific cases but not all drivers do See prepared statements for more SingleRow Queries If a query returns at most one row you can use a shortcut around some of the lengthy boilerplate code var name string err db QueryRow select name from users where id 1 Scan name if err nil log Fatal err fmt Println name Errors from the query are deferred until Scan is called and then are returned from that You can also call QueryRow on a prepared statement stmt err db Prepare select name from users where id if err nil log Fatal err defer stmt var name string err stmt QueryRow 1 Scan name if err nil log Fatal err fmt Println name Previous Accessing the Database Next Modifying Data and Using Transactions

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Trump Place Signage Coming Down Off Upper West Side Building by Jake Offenhartz in News on Oct 18 2018 1122 am Tod Seelie Gothamist A contentious and expensive fight over the future of a Trumpbranded condominium on the Upper West Side ended democratically on Wednesday with residents voting by a twothirds majority to remove the signage bearing the presidents name On Thursday workers began ridding the 46story tower of the massive gold letters spelling out TRUMP PLACE on the buildings east and westfacing facades The removal will cost an estimated 23000 according to the buildings board on top of what residents say was over 200000 in legal fees spent fighting the Trump Organization Though the towers legal name will not be affected the building will now be known as 200 Riverside Boulevard The decision comes amid an effort in New York City and elsewhere to remove the presidents name from the many buildings it adornsa branding that Trump often licensed to properties that he never owned or managed Following the 2016 election neighboring rental buildings at 140 160 and 180 Riverside Boulevard decided to shed the presidents name from their exteriors in order to assume a neutral building identity according to Equity Residential which owns and operates the rental buildings This is the 7th bldg to remove realDonaldTrump s name since 16 The others 3 other Trump Place bldgs in NYC plus hotels in TorontoPanamaSoHo Also NYC took his name off a carousel in Central Park which Trump had unilaterally renamed after himself httpstco0ttx9ltCdW httpstcoCdPgQmf3qH David Fahrenthold Fahrenthold October 17 2018 But the condos at 200 Riversideas well as 220 and 240 Riversidecontinue to be managed though not owned by the Trump Organization complicating efforts for those residents to join their neighbors in purging the presidents name At the start of this year the Trump Organization threatened legal action against the board at 200 Riverside Boulevard if they removed the letters arguing that such action would constitute a flagrant and material breach of a 1 licensing agreement signed in 2000 Faced with the prospect of an expensive lawsuit some residents took to internal message boards to oppose the change I am adamant that the sign should remain on the building one resident wrote according to the Times We bought in the building with it There is no reason to take it down But in several heated meetings over the last year the condos deTrumpification contingent won out In addition to not wanting their homes identified with the president for political reasons some argued that the signage made the building a target for terrorists or protesters and could potentially hurt the real estate value on their homes In May a State Supreme Court judge sided with the board finding that the Trump Organization had no basis for its claim that the building should carry the name in perpetuity The judge concluded that the decision should be made by the buildings condo owners adding the court does not find any of defendants arguments convincing On Wednesday the results of a formal poll of residents conducted over the last few weeks was released by the board Nearly 70 percent of residents supported the resolution to remove the signs with votes tallied from more than 80 percent of unitsa record turnout for building elections according to the email Having clarified our rights in court we are pleased to have resolved this matter democratically the email concluded Our entire community has engaged in a thorough and respectful deliberative process regarding how to address the signage on our building We encourage everyone to move forward and respect the will of the community UPDATE The signage has been fully removed though were told its still possible to see ghost letters on the buildings exterior A power washer is expected to arrive at some point to remove all traces of the former Trump branding As for what happens to the letters now Its not clear but were choosing to believe theyll be repurposedanyone need some gold letters for a Cat Plumper residence or Rectal Pump facility In this season of giving make a gift to support Gothamist And when you donate 50 or more you can snag a Gothamist Stress Cat and youll be invited to the firstever Gothamist Member Mingle at Brooklyn Roasting Companys flagship café in DUMBO Brooklyn in late January Dont miss out make your yearend contribution today Contact the author of this article or email tipsgothamistcom with further questions comments or tips 200 riverside boulevard president trump trump place upper west side Gothamist Films They Dove Into Dumpsters And At The Bottom Found Love Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video 20032018 WNYC All rights reserved Terms of Use Privacy Policy

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COLLEGE HOCKEY Minnesota State takes opener over UND 74 By Brad Elliott Schlossman on Oct 19 2018 at 1153 pm Fighting Hawks goalie Peter Thome reacts as MSU Mavericks forward Marc Michaelis celebrates his second period goal Friday night at Ralph Engelstad Arena Nick Nelson Grand Forks Herald Offense was not a problem for UND on Friday night The Fighting Hawks scored four times doubled their output from the entire last weekend threw 38 shots on net and generated chances like no other time this season But just as the offense arrived the defense and goaltending disappeared and UND lost to MSUMankato 74 in front of 11304 in Ralph Engelstad Arena Maverick forward Max Coatta had a hat trick Parker Tuomie added two goals and an assist and Marc Michaelis had a goal and an assist as the Mavericks won in Grand Forks for the first time since March 10 2006 No 7 MSUMankato which was 0111 in The Ralph since that 2006 playoff victory improved to 30 this season with impressive nonconference wins over Boston University and UND The Fighting Hawks who have outshot their opponents by double digits in every game this season still havent found a win a game Theyre 021 heading into the series finale at 707 pm Saturday in Ralph Engelstad Arena The last time UND started the season winless in its first three games was 200809 UND beat MSUMankato in Game 4 that year on a shorthanded goal by Chris VandeVelde with just nine seconds left in the third period In the series finale the Fighting Hawks will try to avoid the programs first winless start through four games since 1994 All the shots were getting is great but honestly if were not winning games it doesnt matter said UND forward Jordan Kawaguchi who had two assists We have to win We havent won in three games now Its pretty much gutcheck time for us at this point Were four games in Weve got to figure this out After scoring just two goals last weekend in 125 minutes against Bemidji State the Fighting Hawks matched that total in just 244 on Friday night against the Mavericks Collin Adams scored a powerplay goal and Zach Yon scored at evenstrength to put UND ahead 21 But minutes after that UND senior alternate captain Rhett Gardner took a fiveminute major for checking from behind He was ejected from the game The Mavericks scored the gametying goal on the power play UNDs penalty kill is an NCAAworst 571 percent Then UND was forced to play the rest of the game without Gardner the reigning National Collegiate Hockey Conference defensive forward of the year who had the assignment of shutting down MSUMankatos top two lines In his absence those lines lit up the scoreboard The topsix forwards for the Mavericks combined for five goals and nine points I thought we had a good start then we took a fiveminute major which took us out of the game which took one of our better players out of the game then put us on our heels a little bit UND coach Brad Berry said It was the start we wanted but not the result we wanted due to a few different things one of them being a fiveminute major UND starting goalie Peter Thome was lifted just 207 into the second period after allowing four goals on 10 shots Rookie Adam Scheel allowed two goals on 10 shots Theyre called upon to make a few saves Berry said Tonight we didnt get the ones we should have had They know it This is a team where we dont point any fingers Everybody has to be better tomorrow and we know that Defenseman Matt Kiersted had a goal and an assist and forward Ludvig Hoff tallied a goal for UND too We took care of things offensively Kiersted said We worked on that in practice We have to bear down in the Dzone We have to take care of that and work from the Dzone on out MSUMankato rookie goalie Dryden McKay stopped 34 of 38 shots Weve been working all week on our offense Kawaguchi said Obviously it was there tonight But our Dzone oddman rushes that kind of stuff killed us Weve got to clean that up before we look at offense tomorrow night Berry said the mistakes were untimely too The Mavericks broke the game open with two goals in the span of 29 seconds at the start of the middle frame to open a 42 lead We had a good start Berry said We generated momentum We generated some offense We scored two powerplay goals So we werent really forcing at that time in the second period It was just guys making individual mistakes at that time and it cost us We cant have that Explore related topics sports hockey GF EGF Sports UND Hockey Mankato Ralph Engelstad Arena COLLEGE HOCKEY Brad Elliott Schlossman Schlossman is in his 13th year covering college hockey for the Herald In 2016 and 2018 he was named the top beat writer in the country by the Associated Press Sports Editors He also was the NCHCs inaugural Media Excellence Award winner in 2018 Schlossman has voted in the national college hockey poll since 2007 and has served as a member of the Hobey Baker and Patty Kazmaier Award committees BSchlossmangfheraldcom 701 7801129

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A TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE Friday May 29 2015 THE FIRST MRS BOB HOPE Comedian Bob Hope and his wife Dolores had one of the longest marriages in Hollywood history They were married for 69 years until Bobs death in 2003 While Hope entertained the troops during World War II and made countless movies and radio appearances Dolores stayed at home and raised their four adopted children During Hopes popularity the media as well as Dolores herself avoided any gossip or rumors about the entertainers infidelity However now over ten years after he died many of the rumors of Bob Hope have become fact One rumor that has been proven was that Bob Hope Bob and Dolores always claimed that they married in February 1934 in Erie Pennsylvania But at that time he was secretly married to his Vaudeville partner Grace Louise Troxell after three years together on and off One of Hopes biographers found divorce papers for Bob and Louise dated November 1934 so either Bob Hope was a bigamist or he lied about marrying Dolores in February that year He actually married Louise in January 1933 in Erie when they were travelling on the Vaudeville circuit When he claimed he had married Dolores in Erie he was actually miles away in New York on Broadway More intriguing there is no record anywhere of his marriage to Dolores if it happened And there are no wedding photos either But he never forgot Grace and quietly sent her money in her later years Who was Grace Louise Troxell is what I wanted to investigate Her whereabouts were harder than I thought to solved There is not much about Grace after her short marriage to Bob two wives Hope What I found out is Grace Louise Troxell was born on October 25 1912 in Cincinnati Ohio to a hardware salesman William Asa Troxell Jr 18811964 and housewife Katherine S Hummeldorf 18881939 Grace was the 4th of 8 children and her family was pretty poor but she was a pretty good dancer and a beauty by Ohio standards so she met up with Bob Hope After the whirlwind quickie marriage and divorce to Bob Hope Grace tried to make it as a solo act in New York City in 1935 After a few months though Grace moved back to Ohio where she met and married a car salemen by the name of Herbert Koppmeier 19011974 He was eleven years older than Grace but he gave her stability that she wanted They were married on May 4 1940 The marriage was reportedly a happy one and the couple had a daughter However when Herbert got ill finances got tight for Grace Reportedly Bob sent her money before and after Herbert died in 1974 On August 30 1992 Grace died of heart failure in a nursing home at the age of 79 and Bob Hope while not attending her funeral did pay for all of the funeral expenses Grace Louise Troxell did not have hope Posted by David Lobosco at 837 AM Labels Bob Hope Grace Louise Troxell marriage Older Post Subscribe to Post Comments Atom CONTACT INFO To get in touch with me please send all correspondence to davidloboscoyahoocom Follow me on twitter DavidLobosco Search This Blog Translate Blog Archive 2019 1 2018 97 2017 66 2016 121 2015 183 December 16 November 13 October 17 September 17 August 17 July 14 June 18 May 13 THE FIRST MRS BOB HOPE RECENTLY VIEWED LOVE IS STRANGE MEL BROOKS THE NAZIS AND WORLD WAR II CELEBRITY ADS VINCENT PRICE WHAT A CHARACTER THELMA RITTER GROUCHO MARX AND HIS LAST SECRETARY FORGOTTEN ONES CHICK HENDERSON BORN ON THIS DAY JOSEPH COTTEN HISTORY OF A SONG TAKE ME OUT TO THE BALL GAME GUEST REVIEW WILD HARVEST PAST OBITS WILLIAM HOLDEN HOLLYWOOD URBAN LEGEND MARILYN MONROE PHOTOS OF THE DAY BING CROSBY THROUGH THE YEARS April 13 March 15 February 14 January 16 2014 157 2013 187 2012 211 2011 248 2010 194 Total Pageviews CMBA

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