so the watervolume covering the earth’s surface would be 4,500,000,000 km3, which is 3 times the total amount of water in the earth’s oceans! This means the atmosphere around 1656 AM or 2348 BC would need to contain 346.154 times more water as it does today. Suppose it does, what happened to the rest of the water?
You do know about "the deep" don't you? I think even the Russell Crowe movie has it. I'm not sure if I should debase myself by downloading it.
Thanks, that's a good point!
I know about "the deep" but it is exactly that concept, which I have a problem with, if you read chapter 7 of Genesis carefully (in this post I use KJV). By the way, I took my reference for "the deep" in relation to this post and the apologetic understanding from: https://answersingenesis.org/home/area/tools/flood-waters.asp
If you read carefully as to what god says he will do to wipe off every living creature: "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth." I.e. God, himself, says he will cause every living substance to be destroyed from the face of the earth through rain
for 40 days and 40 nights.
Now, "And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.". Here still no mention of "the deep", so this is in accordanc with god his own word, that he will flood the earth with water through the form of rain.
What's interesting is to see when and how "the deep" is mentioned: "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights."
The windows of heaven opening and 'causing' rain for 40 days and 40 nights is in accordance with God's word. Yet, the 'flood' from "the deep"? No where in god's instruction to Noah did he say he would cause tsunami's/erruption or something.
Also, what some fail to see, is that if they accept this verse to point to another cause of the flood waters, this is in direct contradicton with god's instruction to Noah. No 'rain' can come upon
the earth if it comes from
the earth itself. Also, this would not be called rain then, and the bible was very capable of differentiating between 'rain' from the sky and water pouring over land in another form. Here are some references of 'rain' in the bible and what it means in that context. The Hebrew word for it is 'geshem' and if we look closely it's context is always in relation to the 'sky'. Reference: http://biblehub.com/text/genesis/8-2.htm
, amongst others). Generally it is a form of 'geshem' which comes down
Suppose we take the verse of "the deep" to be the meaning of what god actually meant to say. This would first of all be very unlikely because if god felt needed to give instructions to Noah and prepare him for what he was about to do. If he could give detailed instructions about how the Arc should be build, would he not be more precise to tell him what he actually meant with 'rain', and that it could also come from "the deep" bursting open, causing tsunami's/erruptions for example?
But suppose we do take that perhaps god was sleepy and forgot to mention that and the flood was not only due to rain but also due to "the fountains of the great deep broke open", and caused for extra flood water, which was not present at the atmosphere. For example some water reservoir beneath the earth mantle, which bursts open causing a huge flood. I quote from the apologetic website
(see reference above):
"So it is quite plausible that these fountains of the great deep involved a series of volcanic eruptions with prodigious amounts of water bursting up through the ground. It is interesting that up to 70 percent or more of what comes out of volcanoes today is water, often in the form of steam.
In their catastrophic plate tectonics model for the flood, Austin et al. have proposed that at the onset of the flood, the ocean floor rapidly lifted up to 6,500 feet (2,000 meters) due to an increase in temperature as horizontal movement of the tectonic plates accelerated.3 This would spill the seawater onto the land and cause massive flooding—perhaps what is aptly described as the breaking up of the “fountains of the great deep.”
During the Flood, the world was deluged in 40 days of rain. But this was not the major source of the Flood waters.
This is why I did not pay attention to the flood waters being prominently caused by "the great deep" because that is definately not how god instructed it, it is in fact quite in contradiction with god's own instruction, especially since the bible has a perfect narrowed down context and interpretation of rain
I am very glad that you do mention it though because, even if this "deep" was the major cause of flood waters, where did that
water go? Their answer: "The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for them (Psalm 104:
Accordingly, they state: "The mountains rose up and the Flood waters went down where the ocean basins formed. Even evolutionists talk about the mountains being raised up like this, but they believe it happened over a long, long time. We believe that God did it very quickly at the end of the Flood. (By the way, that’s why we find so many sea fossils near the top of mountains. Makes sense, doesn’t it?) So, where is the water? I believe it is all still here.
" Reference: https://answersingenesis.org/kids/noahs-ark/where-did-all-the-water-go-after-the-flood/
If I give them the benefit of the doubt, I again return to my initial point. Even if most of the water is still here, and the main flood source was the water from the "great deep", then all the water in the "deep" fountains which broke upon is now on the face of the earth. If most of the water on the surface of the earth nowadays (roughly said), was once in the earth's mantle (note, I am not saying that this is impossible), and mountains started moving, you automatically end up in a model which needs plate tectonics to move. "The mountains rose up", this needs plate movement. God did not supernaturally
do this, he just "appointed the place". Just like he did not supernaturally wanted to wipe off every living creature off the planet, but chose a 'natural
' instrument to do this, i.e. he used rain
. Or well, lol, that's what he thought he did. For those mountains to have moved up, land to have risen and ocean's to have deepened we need plate movements, and to see the distance of continents measured today to be compatible with this concept, the rate of plate movements must have been very high and there is a small chance generations would have survived, given the speed of movement apologists suggest.
Again, that was a good point, thanks for mentioning it!