Oregon Shooting: 13 Troubling Signs Of Potentially Yet Another False FlagBy Bernie Suarez Sounds crazy? Yes, it always does. False flags are supposed to divide people in addition to tricking them. But as Ive said repeatedly in the past, when considering a suspected false flag event you have to start somewhere. Look for the beneficiaries of course and look for common patterns. I think many of us know the patterns by now and what to look for when suspecting a false flag shooting. The college where the latest shooting took place is located six miles north of Roseburg, Oregon and was a very small town where you would expect everyone to be known to most people yet early on it appears this is not the case. Thirteen so far unknown people are said to be murdered and another 20 wounded. So, should we believe that the Oregon shooting is legitimate with no government involvement? I would like to think so, but as always many things surrounding this latest shooting force us to consider if were dealing with yet another gun grab shooting designed to push anti-gun legislation. With the new world orders Agenda 2030 pushed last week with help from the Pope, we know that Obama now has gun control as one of the remaining major items on the top of his list before he leaves office in 2016. The administration desperately needs this gun-control agenda to be pushed through and weve seen a laundry list of proven false flag shootings over the past several years. Are you someone who wants to believe this is not so? Then deal with these 13 points which at the very least bring into question this latest shooting. Without the same grandiose mainstream media headline, I myself would not have noticed this story online. Here we go again? This is now the latest 24/7 story that the mainstream media seems to want and need you to be fascinated by. This alone is a huge tell-tale sign no one should overlook. This latest Oregon school shooting comes with no holds barred. Even in the very headline there was a quick post announcing the need for gun control. Whenever you have gun control pushed on you before you can understand what just happened, that should be a red flag. Obama even admits his desperate gun control agenda is political This is something we should politicize, he said, calling on Americans of all political stripes to hold their elected leaders accountable for acting on the issue. It goes without saying that whenever Obama jumps into a topic you should run the other way and fast. Very few actions tell me this shooting has an agenda behind it more than seeing Obama immediately calling for gun control on cue. Im thinking, doesnt Obama have presidential work to do? Why is he so involved in specific stories that perfectly fit the new world order agenda? Are we to ignore this or consider this timing coincidental? We all know the script by now and once again and as usual the shooter does not live to tell the tale or defend his intent. Thats because dead men tell no tales. Consequently, the story as usual is left to the story tellers. And with the usual dead shooter there is much less need to worry about any account conflicts or future revelations of government involvement. Some things for everyone to consider are the following Did the shooter try to lower his gun? What circumstances led to police actually killing the shooter? Are police reports available for us to see? Dont police disable people any more?? Isnt there policy for this? Did police follow correct procedure? How often does a shooting take place and no one knows who the shooter is (as of the time of this article)? Students didnt recognize their own classmate? Or did the shooter decide to shoot a bunch of strangers in a school that hes never attended? How is it that no one knows the shooter? This certainly was not the case in the Virginia Tech shooting of 2007 or Columbine shooting where everyone seem to know or recognize the shooter. Consider this carefully. Who are these dead people? What are their names? And why is there confusion as to how many people are dead at a small school. Is the body count that high? That difficult? You decide what this might mean given the context of all the facts coming out. It would certainly not be the first time weve heard conflicting stories and body counts. Its not a far stretch to imagine that a good town for a false flag shooting would be one where trusted criminals have influence or are in power. Is it just me or has anyone else been wondering what the heck in former Mayor Bloomberg was doing in Oregon? Is it a coincidence that former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg has been dumping a lot of money into pushing legislation in Oregon? In the past, others within alternative media have called for watchful eyes in Oregon given this connection. No big deal? You decide. Recall after the Sandy Hook shooting false flag we saw criminal Lt Paul Vance come on TV and call social media exposure of the Sandy Hook shooting disinformation and a crime to be prosecuted. Similarly, again we are seeing an early immediate attack and discrediting of social media in an attempt to control the information. Perhaps they are doing this knowing that soon more information will come out. Everyone should consider that this social media stunt may be purposely bogus to discredit social media. I suspect this may be what is happening. This is just another attempt by the controllers to condition people into thinking that the only reliable news comes from mainstream media sources. If anyone has these images please provide them so we can see them but as of the time of this article this evidence was not available. This reminds us of almost every shooting false flag where the mainstream media hides the images of the crime scene. Where are the images of the police yellow tape? The blood on the floor? The bodies? The ambulances and emergency vehicles?? By hiding all of these images all of the story and images is left to your imagination and this allows for maximum control of the information. Without any further explanation were told that the shooter demanded that his victims state what their religion was before shooting them. No one seems to offer what the intent of this was or what does this mean. Is this an attempt to leave the door open for a possible blaming of ISIS or some other extremist related patsy? Consider that the shooter up to now (the time of this article) can be anyone. Conveniently the controllers have held back the identity of the shooter. Yes, believe it or not. After reading the story it appears there are only 3 witnesses accounted for. The closest thing to an eyewitness is Kortney Moore: Kortney Moore, 18, told the local News Review newspaper that she was in her writing class in Snyder Hall when a gunshot came through the window and struck her teacher in the head. The remaining 2 supposed witnesses only HEARD the gunfire according to reports. Student Cassandra Welding told CNN that she heard 35 to 40 shots. Student Brandy Winter, in a posting on Facebook, said she was in a classroom in Snyder Hall, next door to the room where the shooting began and ran, along with her classmates, when they heard the gunfire. Winter also says that from talking with a student in the classroom where it happen, almost every person in the room was shot by a man with four guns, admitting she herself did not witness the shooting. Anyone who knows about guns might find this statement a bit peculiar since you can only shoot someone with a gun one bullet at a time. You cannot fire 4 guns at once. Also, studies show that when someone is shot with a gun most of the time they will actually survive the shooting since the bullet must penetrate vital organs. Also people who are severely shot wont die right away giving them time to potentially tackle the shooter. So its not easy to actually shoot and kill a room full of people with 4 guns. Also surely after the first few rounds everyone afraid for their lives would have run full speed out of the room. So where are the people who actually saw the shooting with their own eyes? And, again, why did no one tackle the shooter as he switched guns given that most likely he could get off no more than 10 rounds at a time? Im sure well hear from the wounded victims much later on like the interview we saw with Greta Van Susteren and the Virginia Shooting survivor crisis actor. Did the police not want the students to get a good view of the evidence and scene as they passed by? Was this part of the drill to condition students to give up their 4th amendment rights Boston bombing style under shooting conditions? And why were students joking?? Were these students not just exposed to a shocking bloody gruesome scene? I find this a little odd. They walked us straight through the crime scene with our hands up, 18-year-old freshman Andi Dinnetz said. It was more tense outside. In the classroom, everyone was trying to make jokes and keep it from being as serious as it was. Mainstream media is posting a chain of messages posted by an anonymous character on 4chan.org the night before: Dont go to school tomorrow if you are in the northwest. Once again, a would-be shooter in America whose shooting would quickly serve the gun control agenda just so happens to pre-post threats announcing or hinting at what he is going to do. This is another trademark of false flag shootings. I want to believe this latest shooting is not a false flag. I have no other information except what mainstream media wants us to know. I (we) have an obligation to receive the information in the right context. And what context is that? That the globalists are desperate and they are running out of time to get more gun legislation in. The context that a month ago they suffered a horrific failure in Virginia when overwhelming evidence clearly shows the shooting was a false flag. Following this, the Virginia TV Reporter shooting disappeared completely from mainstream media news, and it disappeared for a reason. Surprisingly and ironically there was no mention of the late August Virginia TV Reporter shooting in this recent story which, by the way, mentions several of the other shootings from the past. Given that it only happened a month ago isnt this a little odd? Also consider this story in the context of the embarrassment that the U.S. is suffering with respect to ISIS being called out and bombed in Syria. The U.S. and the new world order is in the midst of a tumultuous period. They need a victory soon and just as everyone is looking at the ISIS/Syrian crisis failure here comes a new shooting to get your attention away from Syria. Is this latest shooting a perfectly coincidental event for the globalisst or just another false flag shooting? You consider the evidence for yourself and decide. Im sure new evidence will emerge. Whether that evidence debunks my suspicions or confirms it will remain to be seen. Bernie is a revolutionary writer with a background in medicine, psychology, and information technology. He has written numerous articles over the years about freedom, government corruption and conspiracies, and solutions. A former host of the 9/11 Freefall radio show, Bernie is also the creator of the Truth and Art TV project where he shares articles and videos about issues that raise our consciousness and offer solutions to our current problems. His efforts are designed to encourage others to joyfully stand for truth, to expose government tactics of propaganda, fear and deception, and to address the psychology of dealing with the rising new world order. He is also a former U.S. Marine who believes it is our duty to stand for and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. A peace activist, he believes information and awareness is the first step toward being free from enslavement from the globalist control system which now threatens humanity. He believes love conquers all fear and it is up to each and every one of us to manifest the solutions and the change that you want to see in this world, because doing this is the very thing that will ensure victory and restoration of the human race from the rising global enslavement system, and will offer hope to future generations. Im no lawyer, but I think this should be the next big case. Lawsuit against the people for criminal negligence. For allowing the United States government which acts on behalf of the American people to continually and systematically destroy natural habitats, wildlife, waterways, oceans, forests, and the ecosystems necessary for future populations, of humanity, animal species, and vegetative life. For knowingly and willfully subjecting human and animal species to harsh conditions that would not exist otherwise For purposely and intently creating and perpetuating environments of disharmony by way of fighting, murdering, and ignoring consequential actions taken by government officials For refusing to review, meditate, and take action on information provided by whistleblowers, media, and government officials which outlined harmful acts done domestically, and abroad. For not practicing good stewardship of the inheritance that is currently known as American property. For continually choosing profit over the welfare of its citizenry, by way of impoverishing, removal of natural food supplies, poisoning of shared resources such as but not limited to, air, water, vegetation, and resources. For constant refusal to monitor activities of representatives acting on behalf of American citizens, when declaring acts of war, sanctions, drone bombing and the like abroad For imploring the use of usury, theft, violence, monopolistic systems, undue process, excessive force, excessive taxation, mass reallocation of wealth, misrepresentation of data, misuse of resources, and immoral sexual acts in order to pervert, prevent, and deny justice. For attempting to remove the free will of minors by way of forced vaccinations, condoning lewd behavior, forced indoctrination, mass propaganda. For the continual subjugation of minority groups, minors, and wildlife. For continually creating collectivist systems which have proliferated previously stated offenses All of which have worked to create an environment which has spread chaos, war, famine, disease, and disharmony upon the whole earth. Rights not found as inherent nor granted, used for the self destruction of the human population. Here is what I believe should be happening around the 911 memorial, and across The United States. As a former Federally Protected Whistle blower who knows a lot about corruption in governmentI think its time we pursued this project, and Ive been sending letters to some of our more famous traitors, asking if they would support the following concept: 2. This project will be designed to root out corruption and treason within our government, as well as battling against the corrupt nature of the government / corporate / media fascism that has taken root within our Constitutional Republic. 3. Phase 1 3a) We are proposing the establishment of a new National Memorial Project. The memorial will be built at Ground Zero 911 and will be constructed of thermite-tainted steel from the three buildings that our treasonous government sponsoredor allowed to be imploded on 9-11-2001. 3b) The title of our new National Monument will be.The National Gallows for American Valuesa 47 story tall(fully functioning gallows) with red-hot, liquid steel running through the site and steam rising from the grounds 24 / 7 for eternity. The location of the National Gallows will be centrally situated in NYC in order to give millions of Americans the opportunity to personally watch as their previously treasonous political leadershipconvicted and sentenced to hangare executed. 3c) This is the site where we will hang dozens of convicted traitors at one timegiving millions of furious, free Americans a chance to watch the public execution of convicted, corrupt traitors(perhaps, evenwhile throwing rotten fruit, feces and garbage at the scum who have violated our Constitution and their oath). While these traitors slowly choke to deathsuch as corrupt police forces, national police forces and their leadership and those intelligence agencies who implemented and activated 911as well as convicting and hanging all those who started these treasonous, illegal wars and torture programsand those who support and defend The Patriot Actwellas these treasonous bastards slowly choke to death perhaps they will understand what true liberty and freedom really feel like. 4. Phase 2 4a) While fund-raising for the construction ofThe National Gallowsand accomplishing the tangible work of acquiring land, building permits and all those government-related-idiocies that modern America requires, The National Gallows Project will also be raising fundswith the wide-ranging goals of financing public relations campaigns, political groups and both investigative and historic research teams. The ultimate goal of these Investigative and Research teams will be to uncover evidence of treason, war crimes and crimes against humanity ..(going back fifty yearsfor those still alive)and to prosecute all those involved in the purposeful destruction of our revered Constitutional Republic. 4b) The purpose of the fully-functioning, Gallows Memorial will be to serve as a reminder to those in government who act to steal, repressor dilute our Constitutional Protections and Liberties. This would include all those who broke their oath to defend and protect The Constitutionand those engaged in war-crimes and the theft of other peoples natural resources under the ruse offighting terrorismas well as other crimes against humanity that our own government has inflicted upon their own people and those of foreign lands. 5. Phase 3 5a) While The National Gallows will serve as the execution location for all those found to have engaged in treasonous conduct over the past fifty yearswe are also interested in acquiring land in each of the fifty states in order to build smaller replicas of The National Gallows. Whereas we plan on being able to hang dozens of traitors simultaneously at The National Gallows in NYCwe would like to have local replicas available for those residents of communities that are being overrun with corrupt government traitors. For examplethe people of Utah may wish to charge every member of The NSA who works in Utah for violations of their 4th amendment rightsthey may want to convict them for treason and then hang them. 5b) Another great example.the folks inSmall-Town-USAthose who still believe in the Constitution may want to charge, convict and hang any of theirrepresentatives.or law enforcement. who openly vote or act to violate the peoples rightssuch as voting for Constitutional Abortions like the Patriot Actor infringing upon 1st Amendment rights by inferring citizens who express negative opinions of government or law enforcement are terrorists. The people of Small-Town may wish to charge and convict such people for treason. 5c) So.we are wondering if youd like to be a part of this glorious processand / or if you know of any land available that could be donated or sold to our cause? Would you be willing to propose legislation supporting The National Gallows Projectand the concept of Charge / Conviction / Hanging of all those who violate our Constitution and our personal, civil rights? Even corrupt, government, business and media officials and those hoping to achieve higher officewould you vote to convict and hang those type of people? 5d) Would you support the charging, conviction and execution of all military and political leadership who participated in the illegal wars of the past fifty yearsjust as they did after WWII in Nuremburg? Would you support charging the military and political leadership with treason for Vietnam, Panama, Iraq- 1, 2 or 3Libya, Yemen, 911WacoRuby Ridgeetc., etc. etc.? Please let us know of your position on this vitally important subjectas wed like to know if you are a supporter of The Constitutionor an enemy of the American People, Freedom and Liberty the world over? Funny thing about your claimsthey are all false. First thing, steel melts at around 3000 degrees F. Aluminum melts at about 1800 F. Even thermite does not burn hot enough to melt massive quantities of steel in a short period of time. It is also known that steel heated to as cool a temperature as 600 degrees F loses about 90% of its strength, and so it does not have to be melted, when the weight of the building above the place where the steel is softened exceeds the resulting strength of the steel beams. Logic and common sense show that the 9/11/2001 attack on the twin towers in NYC was an ACTUAL attack that ACTUALLY killed nearly three thousand people, and that it ACTUALLY was perpetrated by as many as eight perpetrators armed with nothing more than box cutter knives. blahblahblahblahno one believes your crapwe know what happened, we know about the dancing Israelis filming the destruction and their prior knowledgewe know about the free-fall collapse of building 7no one buys into your incompetent trollingand when we get control of our Constitutional Republic againwe are going to start charging, convicting and hanging traitors such as yourself. You should be looking over your legal shoulder, as almost 70% of the American Public dont by the official storythousands of architects and engineers are demanding a new investigation based upon real science and physics. And when the American Public begin to get pissedand understand more about the treason going on for the last fifty years.well, I cannot wait. The only people I recall who danced on 9/11/2001 were islamic terrorists. We know that the so -called Free fall collapse of the twin towers was because the supporting steel structures could not bear the weight of the stories above them because their strenght had been compromised by the burning jet fuel (that burns at over 2000 degrees F and did so for thirty minutes or moreplenty of time to raise the uninsulated steel members of the supporting structure to a high enough temperature that they only had about ten percent of their normal strength. And Building Seven was well within range of the top of the northernmost tower of the Trade Center Twin towers, and could not withstand that weight of steel falling on it. Despite your claims, none of the data used to conclude that the twin towers were caused to collapse by the impact of the loaded Boeing jetliners and that the damage to the West Wall of the Pentagon was caused by a Boeing jetliner loaded with passengers and fuel was falsified, or anything but logical, sound scientific reasoning supported by verifiable facts., real scientific engineering and real physics, despite your hysterical claims. There is no trolling in stating the obvious truth. you have no idea of what you speak, or you are speaking lies on purpose for some reason. Here is the best..The only people I recall who danced on 9/11/2001 were islamic terrorists. What an ineffective disassembling comment.dragging attention away from the real issue. You know fully well of the five Israeli Agents who were caught filming the event from New Jerseythat they had advance noticeand they were caught whooping and dancing on the top of their vanas the first two buildings collapsed at almost free-fall speed. (I dont think they got their implosion of building 7 on film before they were caught.) Odd that they were released and immediately deported by the corrupt Bush / Cheney Administration five hours later. You are a liar and a treasonous POS. More and more people know thatare aware of the factand refuse to accept you and your type of crap. The day you can claim to have fought against the corrupt government for over two decades, get back with me. Until then, youre either a paid liar and traitor, or a nave idiot. Thank you Mr. Guillory. When I saw what was coming down in NYC, on that horrible day, I cried. I not only cried for the loss of life, I cried for the loss of my adopted country, the United States of America. yepI knew the second that huge TV or Radio Tower on the first building shifted, and then collapsed into itself. You could tell from the first second it had been imploded, and its embarrassing as an American that it has taken 14 years to get 60 % of the population to now question the governments BS. Butwe are making progress. perhaps in our lifetime we can see a convicted Bush Cheney hang for their treason. 60% of the population does not believe. No references given for your spurious claim about the five Israeli agents, so they dont exist except in your imagination, because you are anti-Jewish. I have never given aid and comfort to any enemy of the US, nor have I waged war against the US, so I am not treasonous. Your personal attacks against me show that you know that you have no facts of any kind whatever, nor any conceivable or possible form of logic or ability to think or reason in any manner to support your preposterous and blatantly false claims. b4k9zp. YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! EVERY STATEMENT YOU HAVE POSTED HAS BEEN REFUTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. YOU HAVE NO CAPACITY TO DO HONEST RESEARCH. HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED FOR NIST?? UP TO THIS POINT YOU HAVE PROVEN ONE THING I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR NIST HAVE LOW I. Q. AND ARE INTELLECTUALLY DEPRIVED. SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND. Nothing Ive stated has ever been refuted by any reputable, actual engineering firm or scientist. Ive never worked for NIST. Your personal attacks prove that you know you have absolutely no facts, nor any conceivable or possible form of logic, or ability to think or reason in any manner to support your wild conspiracy theories which have no foundation in facts. My claims are not factual? Steel does not melt at about 3000 degrees F? Aluminum does not melt at about 1220-1240 degrees F? And that thermite powder cannot burn long enough to melt tons of steel in less than 30 minutes, as you claimed.? .the buildings were implodedthey found thermite in the dust, the photos of the beams actually show the angled cut and the pooled steel at their bases..as well as the liquid pool of running steel and metal for months after the event. The floor were exploding and their are plenty of videos and audio reports of bombs going off in the buildings we before the collapsedalong with plenty of fire fighters on tape talking about the rapid, floor-by-floor explosions. You can see video from building # 7 where the squibs are blowing out the windows in key spots on the building. I could go on for hours with thisbut there is no pointyou are a sadly treasonous soul. Take your BS and shove it in your treasonous ear. We know what happened what happened on 911, we know who did itwe know what has been going on for quite some timeand with enough effort perhaps we can convict and hang the people who did itbefore I leave this planet. The aircraft fuselages and most of the structure was made of ALUMINUM which when volatilized by the high tempreratures of the jet fuels combustion would have precipitated out as small particles of aluminum oxide, one of the main components of any thermite mixture. And the angled cut steel beams in all the photos, which were taken SEVERAL DAYS AFTER 9/11, when the wreckage was cleared away, were cause during the cleanup process. There was no liquid steel, which is generally red hot when liquid, months after the event for steel cools to room temperature fairly rapidly (in less than 16 hours at 70 F) and is solid at room temperature. There were explosions, caused by pockets of jet fuel vapors being ignited as the fuel drained from floor to floor. Nothing I stated is in any way treasonous., for I have not given any aid nor comfort against the USA, nor have I waged war against them. So your claims are preposterous and libelous. Yes, we do know what happened at both the Pentagon and the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001, and it wasnt your preposterous and blatantly false conspiracy scenario. To believe that one would have to believe that everyone in the Port Authority of New York, and everyone else who worked in the Twin Towers and Building seven were in on the conspiracy and have been able to keep silent about it. Thats an impossibility. When you bring innocent people to trial and convict them for something they did not do just because you hate Jews and th Jewish people, you are as bad as Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin. wow.selfnews Post just changed to Censured Post. How embarrassing for them.what a sell out. Afraid to publish the links to definitive proof of the demolition of those buildings on 911. Shame on you people. You are nothing more than The Bush / Clinton / Bush / Clinton / Obama War Crimes Family lapdog. Clearly, a tinfoil adjustment is in order. .you sure are working hard to get a rise out of meeh? Honey as a 24 year executive of The US Department of Defenseand a 20 year Federally Protected Whistle Blower who has lived and worked all over the corrupt US Empire(including a personal tour of Air Force One) and as someone who has sat in meetings listening to corrupt government officials plan illegal activities yourtin-foil-hatdig is really a compliment. It shows how really stupid you are, and how you are just a sheep, following along with what anyone in authority tells you to do. I am 55 years old, and have been listening to idiots like you talk about tin-foil-hats my whole lifeall the while our Bill-of Rights has been smashedthe treasonous government has never told us the truth about anything from Vietnam to 911and you think I am the crazy person? Everything we have told you would happen has come truefrom the NSA listening and tracking your communicationsto the CIA running drugsto the FBI setting up terror operationsso they can claim to have busted them. All of itwe told you would happen and it has. Yet, you want to poke fun at me? GFYyou idiot. Wasnt any effort at all. GFY I would say that six idiotic comments without a response is troll-like work. Of which, it seems you are not even any good at that? The best you could come up with in response to my articulate denunciation of your stupiditywas to issue more stupidity? I noticed you could not refute with any factual information myTin-Foil-Hataccuracy? No, because your generation is lost, or you are really a paid-troll, whoring yourself out for whatever tripe comes along. What a sad existence? Your parents must be so ashamed of having to associate with you and your obvious shameless, self-centered-stupidity. Shame on them for not raising you better Shame on your parents for being related, but thats neither here nor there. What, Im going to buy your longwinded spiel because I can no longer make sense of the universe on my own? b4k9zp, your data is faulty. Even if your data was correct, it still has nothing to do with the issue. Youre incorrect on steel structure information and on nanothermite properties. People need to ignore your posts and do their own research. Apparently you have not done yours. No one questions the death of 3 thousand people. We question the government official version of who done it. Ive done my research. And none of my statements are inaccurate. Steel melts at around 3000 degrees F, but it loses over 90% of its strength when heated to temperatures around 600 degrees F, meaning that a steel structure can bear only one tenth the load it could under normal circumstances. This is well known engineering data. Your claims that somehow nanothermite was used as an explosive device (which it is not) somehow to cut and melt tons of structural steel in a few seconds to a few minutes and turn it into liquid, molten steelwhich by the way would glow red hot even in daytime and in black and white if your claims were true. . Unless several hundred tons of thermite like materials were used directly applied to the steel members they could not melt the quantities of steel required to cause the rivers of molten steel you claim happened. And sad thing is very little of those beams ever needed to be hauled away. Why? They no longer existed. Yes, people died a horrible death. But how why is yet to be told truthfully. NANO-thermite and you must have helluva qualifications to argue against Phders and Demolition experts who took 14 years to get their story straight. They did the field work necessary and tests, etc. ALL of them scientists in their own right and all of them were suspicious from the moment the first building collapsed but they kept quiet at the time and just silently wondered. mmmm I notice that you dont trot out your own qualifications, but depend on third or even fourth hand information, without citing any sources. Nothing I stated is false, and is known to any person who has taken mechanical engineering courses, civil engineering courses, and knows anything about the CRC Handbook of Chemistry And Physics, the Civil Engineering Handbook, the Mechanical Engineering Handbook, and other similar reference works. Steel melts at about 3000 F, and loses about 90% of its strength when heated to or above about 600 F. It would not be able to support the load for which it was designed at that point. I saw one videotape that allegedly showed a missile being fired from one of the planes that hit one of the Trade Center towers. But funny thing, there was no flare of a missile motor being ignited when the plane was approaching the building, and no hole appeared in the side of the building that was hit by the plane a few seconds after this spot of light appeared on the side of the building. IOW, the claim that a missile was used was false. It is known that jet fuel burns at over 2000 degrees F, and the flames from that fire continued to burn until each building collapsed. Your term nanothermite referring to a finely divided form of a mixture of iron oxide and aluminum causing tons of steel to melt within a few seconds and remain molten for weeks is totally bogus. Even several THOUSAND pounds of thermite of any kind would not be able to melt tons of steel in just a few seconds-the laws of physics and heat transfer would prohibit it. Politicians only get away with what they are allowed to, they are nothing but servants, and therefore not my interest. I have no interest in catering to and constructing buildings for events of mass murder. Ill tell you why I wrote what I did though. For no other reason than to bring war on the American public. They are the true instigators of all that has gone awry, they did not care enough to preserve their blessings, so they are about to lose them. A god amongst men has no interest in the things that you are purposing, especially when politicians are created by their constituents, not the other way around. I myself love peace, and have not a violent bone in my body. So I dont really get inspired by the rhetoric you have used here. You sound akin to the politicians.. Remember Love drives out Evil, and Hate fuels it. It sounds like you have lost a lot, either that or you are an Agent of some kind. Should it be the former, Im sorry for your losses. Should it be the latter, get a real job. I would agree with most of your philosophical POV related to non-violenceif the same standards can be projected upon the predators of our society. I have not advocated for any kind ofviolencein any of my writings. I have advocated for justiceas it has been defined to me throughout my entire life. Ever since I was a small child I was taught that the execution of a human being, through the power of The State is not violencebut justice. Just as Ive been taught my entire life that liberty and freedom are my natural rights that must be defended against those who wish to destroy, suppress or crush those very same rights? In the express desire to enforcejusticesociety charges, convicts and executes people all the time. The State doesnt consider that violence, they consider it justice. However, in some wayyoud like me to give a break to the very people who pledged their sacred honor to uphold those principles in which I was indoctrinated but have urinated over everything we were told to hold sacred? How silly of you. By the wayI had a real job, was never paid by the tax-payer, never went to college, retired at the pay-grade of a Colonel, retired on a pension and disability that I paid into for 40 yearsand aside from living all over the world, climbing Mt. Fuji.receiving a tour of Air Force One surviving a lifetime of unobserved seizures and the 70mph drive off a 200 foot cliffIve had a really good time. Ive raised several kids, all young, assertive, productive kids with good decision-making skills and I never once compromised my ethics or standards for the corrupt animals in and around government. So stick you nose into your own life and try to find some value in its emptinessnot mine. I understand your anger.. I understand your wanting to serve justice.. You can be assured of one thing, sir.. Justice will be served, and it will be served by my hands, to the people of this nation, and any other I deem it necessary. You can never be to sure with internet proposals and that is why I replied in the manner I did. Do not get so worked up, I admire you for what you have done, a hard working individual. I know you do not see the world as most people do, but you must understand that the politicians, the corporate goons, all of whom you would serve justice, are but illusions. They are creations of the people, they cannot exist without the people, and for this the people must pay. So as I have stated, with my very words, I bring war upon the people. You want to help me in my efforts, plant fruit trees.. My army will need to eat, and we do not eat poison. When we march across, this nation, we will know who to spare by where there are fruit trees. We will take it as a kind gesture and we will spare any who have done so. If we come to any city without, we will destroy it, it will be the greatest offense to us. That is how you may bring justice, should you wish to join us in supplying justice, you must become as us.. Immortal. But execution is not justice, it is only execution. Would the National Gallows Project include executing IRS personnel???? If so, ILL DONATE!!!!!! all individuals convicted of treason would be eligible for execution at The National Gallows for America Values Memorial. We may want to reserve it for theleadership-type-peopleand only sentence lower level, convicted-for-treason IRS /DEA/FDA/EPA, FBI etc. etc. Officials to long jail sentences, or their local National Gallows Replica Movementcould construct legislation that allows for on site execution of local, convicted traitors? As long as it is all legal. And not ONE WORD about central bankers, the core and nexus of todays ills. Big surprise. you are 100% correct! In my narrative, Ive always considered that the people reading it would naturally include all corrupt-components of the fascist state, which of course would include central bankers and the financial elite. But your observation is spot on. Theyand all other corporate elite who have committed treason through unparalleled destruction of our environment and econmy due to bottom-line management of precious resources.yes, the are part of the cabal and should be convicted for treason and hanged. Good point. Wasnt this the plot of The Stand? Weird. It wasnt a false flag. How incredibly stupid. Hey, go visit the people who were shot in the hospital. Attend the funerals of those who were killed. Dig up their bodies afterwards to prove it wasnt them. Until then keep your ignorant mouth shut. Youre a disgrace. Oookay Obviously the names of the victims will take time to be revealed, or do you think that we have a right to know before it has been made sure that all those close to them have been informed. Of course we can and should question what the media tells us, but there is a broad gap between questioning and accusing the media of being complicit in a false flag operation whose goal is to further the agenda of a world elite who may or may not be reptiles. Can you really not see that difference? The author is not just pointing out a possibility. He produces a long list of reasons why this may be a false flag operation, then in the last paragraph says but maybe it isnt. If were questioning what we read and what we hear, then surely it has to be said that this article is orientated and trying to push the reader to one conclusion and one conclusion only. Also in the spirit of questioning, some of the points are absurd. 1. Its a massacre in a college, its huge (and sickening) news, of course it will get blanket coverage. 2. OF COURSE gun control is mentioned, its something which may (repeat may) have prevented this or at least made it harder to do. 3. Of course Obama has commented on it. It would be atalking point if he hadnt. 4. Im against execution without trial, but even I, wary of the police as I am, recognise that the priority is to protect the lives of potential victims and that often involves killing the perpetrator. 5. The campus has loads of students who are off-campus or not there very often. Who says that the killer targeted his class? Does everyone know everyone else on such a campus? Of course not, absurd argument. 6. Details in this kind of story are often initially unclear. This is probably because the priority is to stop the killing and look after the victims. Also the media are competing for viewers/clicks and always trying to get ahead of the competition, hence they dont always report reliable information. I could continue, but I havent got the time. But make sure you apply as much scrutiny and questioning to this kind of speculative article as you do to other media coverage. Oh and also on grounds of good taste, maybe we could wait until the bodies are ******* cold before launching this kind of pure, ghoulish and unsubstantiated speculation. maybe we could wait until the bodies are ******* cold before launching @disqus_Oh8wvqusHv:disqus .. how about we just execute people who make false flag claims without any evidence? Youre talking about cold bodies of the killed students and accusing the writer of being ghoulish? And who brought up reptilians? You did. Why are you talking about so-called reptilians? Thats ridiculous. The writer didnt mention anything like that. Youre trying to be misleading by throwing that in there and making it seem like he believes in reptilians. You say you could continue but you havent the time. You certainly had time to write a four paragraph diatribe. Do you work for the government? Re the cold bodies: its a well known expression, ie lets wait for things to settle, show some respect to the victims and their families before launching into speculation or indeed gun control agendas (I have commented on other sites previously that publishing an article calling for gun control off the back of a tragedy is not in the best taste, no matter how passionate your feelings on the issue may be.) Re my time: By not engaging with a single one of my arguments, you have proved that I was right to save time by not going on any longer. All you can find is the old chestnut about working for the government. Obviously I dont work for the government and I never have; in fact Ive never been to the US. Nor do I work for any other government and never have. Isnt it funny how people who believe in conspiracy theories urge others to keep an open mind, yet at the sight of a contrary opinion the person is instantly accused, directly or via an obviously loaded question, of being associated with the government? If thats all youve got, then youre playing a poor handpoorly. @mattcast: Just not worth the time to argue with you. hard to respect victims and families when you believe the whole dam thing is a farce. Wow .no sillysome of us have 50-60 years of experience listening to this malarkey. We are intimately informed as to the agenda of the ruling elite and we are capable of putting 2 and 2 together. When you have spent two decades as a Federally Protected Whistle Blower for The US Corrupt Governmentget back with my on that nave outlook that you are probably getting paid to float in the internet. Get back with my on that nave outlook Sorry, but what does that sentence even mean? Im not getting paid for anything. In fairness, I wouldnt object to getting paid for arguing with morons. Still not a single engagement with any of the arguments I presented, just the ad hominem bullshit whining about you must work for the government. We are intimately informed as to the agenda of the ruling elite and we are capable of putting 2 and 2 together. Are you aware of how insane and deluded you sound when you write that? If your case is so solid, if you are so utterly certain, why hasnt anyone engaged with a single one of the points I raised? I was watching a press briefing at a hospital where a medical director was in that briefing. I just feel that doctor seems acting weird. @disqus_Oh8wvqusHv:disqus .. You and the other conspiracy NUTTERS need mental evaluations ASAP Not 1 of the conspiracy theories you believe has been a false flag thus proving the only idea of false flags as the true conspiracy theories I know people in Oregon.. One took her son to the hospital with a leg injury.. And she said there were no cops, it was even less busy as it usually is.. No sign of any traumas coming in or deaths.. Those of us that question obvious discrepancies in these situations are not conspiracy nut jobs.. We are awake and we know that these false flags are real.. There are even crisis actors.. Do some research you might just learn something! So, the Reichstag burning didnt happen? They didnt admit that in the Nuremburg trials? I dont know if this recent event is fake or not, but considering youve called for murdering the people that question it Id say youre the nut-job here. Normal, functional human beings dont proclaim their desire to see those who disagree with them killed. Im pretty sure calling for peoples DEATH over WORDS ON THE INTERNET that dont threaten or incite anyone to violence is just a little more extreme than doubting a story. Perhaps a mental health evaluation of your Napoleonic murder complex is in order? Its weird how someone can openly call for the death of others and that doesnt get moderated, then the homicidal maniac actually has the gall to call the people he wishes to have killed the nuts! I guess that, in addition to the Reichstag fire not being a false flag, the Gulf of Tonkin incident actually happened, and the USS Liberty was not attacked. Its all distorted lies in our minds? (do some people NEVER study history?) No one denies that the USS Liberty was attacked. The Israelis admitted it, and paid reparations to those killed. North Vietnamese torpedo/missile boats did carry out one attack against a US Destroyer operating more than twelve miles offshore from North Vietnam. That much is known to be absolute truth. The second event has been admitted to have been the result of some false radar images. Gulf of Tonkinyou douche My comments on this subject were removed yesterday on Brietbart. No freedom of speech there. I am truly sorry if some people were injured or killed in the Oregon college situation being reported. That said, to make this a banner to promote more laws to limit the scope of the Second Amendment to our United States Constitution is totally stupid. Let me see, automobiles kill and/or injure, how many thousands of people every day? I cant find any article, amendment, intent or other authorization in our United States Constitution that says that any citizen has a right to drive a car, truck, or other motorized vehicle. So, why not outlaw all of them? None of them are absolutely necessary to our citizens survival. On the other hand, the history of our Second Amendment Right to keep and bear arms was, in fact, placed in our United States Constitution as necessary to provide the citizens of the United States with the tools to prevent their demise by a tyrannical government and for the citizens ability to defend themselves and their families. If you wish to prevent people from attacking other people with firearms, the best way would be to require all citizens to be trained, in the public schools throughout the nation, in the proper use of firearms and, as one other country has done, require that every head of the household shall be a member of a reserve militia and shall own a military type firearm with which they must train every year. It is a proven fact that when criminals know that citizens are armed the criminal activity goes down substantially. The other thing that I find extremely difficult to understand is why politicians and other nuts like Bloomberg distort statistics to try to paint firearms as the bad guys when the facts show that more deaths are cause by many other instruments that they just ignore for their own purposes. To me it suggests that perhaps the politicians are afraid to allow the citizen to be armed for fear that they will not be able to assume complete control of our government. Could that be possible?? Maybe?? When r3bellion hits, the government will not fear people with automobiles, they will fear people with guns. Definitiely. Surely, when people are killed, the first thing a pres does is siding with loved ones. The political opportunism must come much later, but NO, right in they go! something stinks about that coverage Is this a diversion to get our minds This little geek reminds me of Adam The facts dont add up how they Did you find that girl Kortney Why didnt they rush the gunman? That makes it seem unbelievable. Why didnt they start throwing textbooks at him? Could have easily caused him to drop his weapon. He doesnt look like he was a very big guy. Guns when discharged indoors are really, really loud. Its more than a shock to the system, not to mention 6!tches getting capped. Trying out your whigger routine, bruh? HAR HAR HAR HAR A guy did rush the gunmanmilitary vet. He was shot multiple times but lived. Also Im not being fed this info by the mass media. Im from Sutherlin just a few miles north of UCC, and a friend of mine grew up with Chris Mintz and went to see him in the hospital. She got the first hand account from him and what went down. Sorry, my bad, you guys must know betterhiding like cowards behind a keyboard halfway across the country and spewing your paranoid delusions. When are you going to say wake up America? Real people died, and real heroes risked their lives to save their community. How about you come to Oregon and run your mouth to our face, see how you fell then. And that is exactly what people were spouting after Sandy Hook. Come and talk to the people involved Blah Blah Blah. And when people went to talk to people involved the people were either dead or missing or left the area. Ill be sure to let you know when we start showing up dead or missing. Uh huh So you seems to have first hand knowledge, give us your identity so we will contact you and verify this story. Really? Is that an invitation? Tell me where we can meet? Well have a cup of coffee while you answer the questions that are being avoided. We can visit the hospitals and funeral homes for some interviews. Then well go to the fire stations and have a look at their logs. Then well go see your friend that knows Chris Mintz and well go see Chris himself. Sure thing, well meet up at the Daily Grind downtown. I can be there in one hourhow about you? Sorry to say I dont know Chris personally, so I cant go see him in the hospital. Maybe you can get us in? Or I could have my friend relay a message. Anything youd like to tell him? Please learn the difference between the terms False Flag and Hoax. Well then please enlighten me as to which you think this is since you know so much. False Flag done by our Government. Following clues can be applied to both False Flags or Hoaxes: Shooter is dead. Support the troops Remember 9-11 victims Military vet saves the dayAll these are garbage designed to shut people up.I,and many ithers,will never shut up.You sound like a sock puppet hired shill;you are the puke who should shut your filthy piehole,you punk. Yes, and when his family here in NC was interviewed about everything, they were laughing and smiling (THIS WAS SUPPOSEDLY BEFORE THEY KNEW IF HE WAS GOING TO SURVIVE OR NOT). They also said he was shot 5 times. The next day, all of the media outlets said he was shot 7 times. How can people not even get something as simple as gunshot wounds correct? Look, youre not even from around here so I dont expect you to understandbut to address both those lame questions: 1) Chris name wasnt even released until he was already in the hospital and it was determined he was going to be okay. This was within hours of the shooting and the interview with his family wasnt until well AFTER they were informed he was going to live. Im sure they were overjoyed by that point. I remember this because I was paying attention to the news and talking with friends from the area. 2) At first it was reported he was shot 5 times, yes. It was reported incorrectly. Maybe they just heard he was shot 5 times and didnt hear and 2 more times after falling which is what happened. I dont know. But its not the first time reporting has been incorrect in the initial rush to get the story out before verifying all the details. That doesnt mean, or even imply, that the entire story should be discounted as false because corrections of minor details are made. Apparently you really enjoy drinking the kool-aid. Im right here in Oregon as you can see from my picture. Now you want to take me on Doucheteau, for you sake I think not. And ill say it like the others, this was nothing but a hoax. And to ad insult to injury, the POS from the White House was here for a total of 90 minutes and shortly right after was on the green teeing off in San Francisco. Some condolences huh. Big f___en joke if you ask me. Oh yeah, ask your buddy also how hes going to help this Chris Mintz clown spend the 750k hes embezzled from the public so far. And all of those pictures of him in that hospital bed was from way before the shooting. He was having surgery done a while back. Plus the one thing that really comes to mind is where is this so called kid of his, would of thought he would of been rushed there to be with his dad. Go back to bed little sleeple, hopefully youll wake up one day and realize it was all just a bad dream. Nice pic. Says Oregon all over it. Actually, the Military veteran did not rush the shooter, but barricaded a door to a classroom with his body, according to the news reports and his own testimony. I stand corrected. I was told the same thing everyone else was at the outset. I thought it odd when the first breaking news story headline came on the news with a helicopter shot of the college parking lot,and bunces of people milling about seemingly aimlessly,didnt see ambulances,or firetrucks,then a shot of people(students)? lined up single fiule with their hands on their heads being searched by guys with black shirts with white lettering on them. I thought,This seems very strange,sort of reminds me of the Sandy Hook hoax,with all the crisis actors and vehicles in place,right there and ready,just about right after the shooting incident. I thought,Wiow,they got there there really fast! Something doesnt add up here,its too fishy for me to believe its real. Also the students phones were confiscated! I read it on a few different news articles, why on earth would you need to confiscate the phones of the students who got out safe? @disqus_wf7Ps2LYjb:disqus Part of the reason that you did not see the wounded, dying and dead was that Roseburg is a ways out in the boondocks. By the time the news choppers got there, the injured were already being treated at our local hospitals and the SCHOOL LOCKDOWN was being handled class-by-class and they were unsure if there was more than one shooter. That was why the news helicopters were seeing groups of people in the parking lots. They emptied one classroom at a time. I hopes that clarifies for you. BoscoBob in Oregon. Agreed. Those of us who live in Roseburg and KNOW some of the folks who were either killed or wounded. And we are not paid actors. We know that this was a real shooting. Also Roseburg is extremely conservative, unlike Newtown, CT, and we booed when the Presidential Black Hawkes landed at our tiny airport and the Mr. Obama made his anti-gun speech. That speech was regrettable, total BS. As we know, Sandy Hook was faked, but we believe UCC was real but hijacked by the anti-gun creeps, which leads me to believe it was a hired gun. The theory of a hired hit man sent in for mass murder, makes more sense, doesnt? But I assure you, unlike Sandy Hook, this shooting was not faked. People really did die, and people were seriously wounded. We have many friends in law enforcement, emergency response, ER staff many first-responders who are still in counseling 9 months after what they experienced. LOTS of blood Lots of damage. And lots of eye-witness first responders to verify that there was a blood bath. Check it out with the local papers; The Roseburg Beacon and The News Review. I just heard on Faux News that one of the three guys that jumped a terrorist and saved the day last month goes to that college! WHAT ARE THE CHANCES? As soon as I heard of this, I thought False-Flag! These are not just troubling signs folks. This is sufficient proof that this is another psyop false flag. Weve proven it in the past and anything similar to it must by logic also be a false flag. Its time to round up the global elite and make them accountable to humanity for these ongoing crimes. They are not God. God is God. Their desperate attempts to play God will all fail in the end. They know this which is why they are shivering in their boots. They are like a cornered animal that is making its last attempt to defend itself and this phone matrix of money worship. I too am going with False Flag. I have seen nothing as of yet to change my mind and convince me this was a real shooting. Likely every kid at that school has a camera video phone and would be blowing up the online sites with postings if it were real. Not going to happen because it is another HOAX. To many anomalies already. Cellphones were confiscated. screw them and their cell-phone confiscation or being ordered out of the place like a criminal. They would have to come in and shoot me in order for me to comply with a illegal order as such. Screw them. If they cannot articulate a specific crime they think I am specifically responsible for, they had better arrest me or Im walking away. And if they do arrest or abuse me, I will file suit, in the millionsand insure that I meet up with them later in my lifeon my own terms. You need to realize the Courts are corrupt like all the others and are complicit in the destruction of our country. If it was that easy to sue when rights are violated, it would have put an end to false arrest and false imprisonment a long time ago. Fact is, law enforcement have corporate lawyers, who btw have made it their business to corrupt our courts with all kinds of rules which really prevents most from any chance of prevailing in court. These days, just look in the phone book for civil rights attorneys and be careful to check out whether they are defense .. most are and those are the ones that protect LEO. And if you think ACLU would be interested, think again, they are part of the cabal and only take on liberal cases like DOMA, LGBT and Amnesty, you know the kind of cases that keep We the Human people DIVIDED Alas, these days, normal Americans can not afford Justice, and there is no Liberty and JUSTICE for anyone .. unless you can afford it, and tPtB do not mess with those who can afford it and for too long no one cares until they are on the receiving end of injustice. Think about it :/ IMHO the only reason anyone would resort to violence (gun or otherwise) is because they feel they have been treated injustly..so they take the law into their own hands and get even. So be prepared for the horrible treatment behind barz in an institution where there are no independent witnesses .. and more often than not .. if there is video tapes, if there is anything incriminating .. they will be destroyed as a normal business practice Blessings no cellphones were confiscated Which one is it? False Flag or Hoax? Theyre two entirely different terms. Hoax comes from the Sandy Hook (Hoax) shootings. Its been used so many times in tandem with false flag as Sandy Hoax, er..I mean Hook, the term has entered our lexicon in conjunction with false flag shooting events. Bernie Suarez should be executed on live tv along with all conspiracy nutjobs that believe in false flags Well, that refutes everything forever. Someone called for the authors murder, I guess I cant listen to what he says anymore. Someone on the Internet called him a name! You may want to look up the definition of incitement buddy. Operation Gladio you obviously have no brain, nor have ever worked for the US Government as a Federally Protected Whistle Blower.oh, and you are a douche Gun Control: Insisting that every adult citizen has the handgun of their choice, knows gun safety and how to properly carry a hand gun, has a rifle and shotgun at home and can state the second amendment word for word. this would put an end to it. Thats the spirit Sarah! I noticed that you used the word insisting rather than legislating or something along the lines of implementing government force. There is consistency in your statement. You are awake! Bless ya. I heard an army veteran/student is being credited as the hero http://mashable.com/2015/10/02/army-veteran-chris-mintz-oregon-shooting/#0pZpnG.Y3Sqh Apparently the story detailing the cell phone confiscation has mysteriously disappeared, or, rather, rewritten with that detail left out. People who want people to be executed need to be given a ball to bounce and be told to play nicely with the other children. There, all warm and fuzzy. I disagree.I want the corrupt, convicted traitors to this country executedif we can ever get about the business of dragging them out of their cushy offices, giving them their trial.finding them properly guilty and hanging themperhaps we can bring about some ethics for a generation or two Why is it that in all these well publicized shootings, the shooter is always captured or killed? While in Chicago we have dozens of shootings every week and shooters are rarely caught. Because their not walking into classrooms in broad daylight? This is even more obvious then the Sandy Hook event. Watch what happens next..The Crisis Actors will get spotted! LOL! So right on! Especially when officials seem to have no lack of words or empathy. As if they were expecting it and had prepared scripted answers that oddly attacks the NRA or gun control. Something you think would not even be on their mind because of shock and confusion, eh? Yep, its a false flag, for sure. Havent read comments to stay concise. My thoughts false flag with agenda 21 overtones. Reasons: a ln OR JUCO where the IQ runs about 85 and students without pell grants are easy to bribe or threaten, more liberal than CA, a logging community deeply economically depressed with a GI Joe sheriff who my gut tells me hes bribable, what he get a nee hummer? No ambulances, MSM was on scene pronto got that waco pre event tipoff? An armed CCP vet (student unknown) wasnt allowed to intervene . told to stay in bldg with other armed vets. OK The guys on floor next to me got shot because they answered Christian maybe I should answer agnostic or atheist huh? Or maybe the nutty shooter was very clever and when u answer christian he put a postit on your head so he could come back and shoot ya later in series huh? LOL Why not rush the shooter no men or dykes in OR? Where are those survivors with their smart phone recordings of their last moments on earth.? Too many bad actors in interviews who have body language that contradicts the words they mouth. Will be watching anybody else feel like the aforementioned make sense? Your all idiots another mass shooting and all you can come up with us that its all about taking your guns Idiots. I live in Canada and this doesnt happen, wonder why. Your argument that the right to bear arms is some how pertection against a hostile government, good luck against a tank or an f16 with your little pea shooters Laughable, dumb Americans This is exactly why youre still a british subject. Those shitty long gun peashooters did overcome the entire british Empire. The patriots with substandard equipment chased both the french n brits north to canada and the mexicans back into mexico. LMFAO We also havent had a muslim killing our congressional security popo and then entering the capital bldg to shoot at our congressman. Canada has how convienient of u to forget that. Who builds those tanks and aircraft? Civilians do idiot its called sabotage (thats a french word ask a dissident from quebec). So the shooter makes statements about people becoming known and famous for shooting people, then picks some obscure, isolated junior college that most everyone outside of the immediate area has never heard of. It doesnt matter, the slaughtered are slaughtered. You fault this jerk for attacking the college he attended? Because it wasnt good planning? Small town on the outskirts of nowhere. Bribe one or two local leaders, threaten the others with death of their children, bring in the Obama Actors Guild, and immediately use the Israeli-owned (MOSSAD) media to publish the follow-on speech of the Saudi-Arabian spy, BHObama. Two goons of the Conn. state police were sent to Florida to attempt to intimidate Wolfgang Halbig, who exposed that the Sandy Hook school was NOT in operation at the time of the hoax. Were Florida not under control of Bush family Jeb, the two goons would have been apprehended and punished by federal law, for interstate terrorism. http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/03/07/wolfgang-halbig-files-lawsuit-sandy-hook-was-not-operating-in-2012-school-safety-expert-says/ The event was the response of the BHObama entourage. The excellent planning and coordination reflects the MOSSAD motto: By way of deception, thou shalt do war. This event reflects the administration of the Saudia Arabian spy, BHObama, whose mother was NOT Anne Dunham, nor any other Caucasian female. .www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnqvMgyhgYI They also want to cover up the C130 aircraft that came down in the Middle East. It was reportedly bought down by Stinger Missiles that were supplied to the Taliban by the USA. Now that is not good for Obama. Its very easy to identify a false flag: (1) Is the incident a mass shooting? If yes, then one is looking at a false flag. Nowhere other than the United States do we have mass killings, therefore we have the proof; and (2) Do we have the usual parade of survivors who contort their faces to mimic crying, but no tears (or watery eyes) are present? Yes Google: Umpqua Community College crying And now the purpose for these false flag incidents (though mental illness is another reason for these false flag operation, creating the conditions for public support of a national mental health program) It will be during a period of civil emergency that Chinese (PRC) military assets will cross the border from Mexico,* taking advantage of the unprecedented chaos. Before PRC military assets cross the border from Mexico, United States military assets will be kept busy fighting phony diversionary wars on the Korean Peninsula; Peninsula; the Balkans; Middle East; Afghanistan. Far from home, and surrounded by enemies, United States military assets fighting abroad will be forced to surrender or be destroyed (not unlike the trapping of British/Indian soldiers in Singapore and American soldiers in the Philippines at the onset of the Japanese entry into World War II). This is why within the West, and especially in the United States, weve been witness recently to a rash of false flag operations involving firearms, especially assault rifles. PRC military assets cant invade the United States until the American population is disarmed. This is also the reason for the critical media coverage of the militarization of local police agencies across the United States. Once more, PRC military assets cannot invade the United States with such a militarized police presence across the nation. - *The drug cartels were created by Mexico City to provide the pretext for requesting assistance from abroad in fighting them, specifically the assistance of China after the fraudulent collapse of the Chinese Communist government. By that time the drug cartels will have spread across Mexico, providing the pretext for the need of help from abroad. Stage props are not functional phones Now the false flags are not only done to promote gun control but to also take a crack at organized religion. Get rid of both and voila, communist dictatorship!! Another absurd conspiracy theory (poisoning the well of legitimate conspiracy allegations) which ignores the fact that with 400,000 gun deaths in the US since 9/11 and 200 to more than 300 mass shootings (4 or more injured and/or killed) each year, why would anyone risk the disgrace and criminal consequences of thinking: Oh, we have only had 270 mass shootings this year; one more and the resistance by Congress to rational gun laws (with 92% of public supporting common sense laws like universal background checks, as well as 85% of gun owners and 74% of NRA members) will crumble? There is no rational motive for such a false flag; real shootings (8,500 murders a year) have failed to move the Republicans from their bought support for the NRA opposition to gun regulations even their own members support. Universal background checks would infringe on now law-abiding gun owner but it would filter out criminals, terrorists, and the violently insane, who today can buy semi-automatic rifles with no records or background checks in private sales (and with no records kept, any seller can claim to be private.). I am convinced that the gun lobby is motivated by profits and that its supporters are mentally impaired. ROFLMAO!!! We already have coommon sense gun laws and a lot of nonsense gun laws too! Such a long post to say gibberish and lies! I dare you to refute the documented facts I cite. No background checks in 32 states for private sales, none for some auto rifles in 42. Its the law. Your Rolf is idiot laughter. I dare you to prove me wrong with with evidence. Your post is fiction! All you have given is your opinion? No facts! No sources! Just lies! I dare you to prove your opinion! You are just another TROLL! My post is 100% documented fact. No opinion. Here are the sources (and in advance, I accept your acknowledgement of ignorance of the law and apologies for unjust insults). Here are sources (clearly you did not factcheck; if you had, you would have found this info for yourself.) As of September 2015, 18 U.S. states and Washington, D.C., require background checks at gun shows.[4] In addition to gun shows, in the 32 states which do not require background checks for private sales, this includes sales where buyer and seller hook up through magazine and websites. In 10 additional states (ie 42 total), rifles, including semi-automatic, do not require checks in private sales. Here are additional sources: Repeated polls have shown that over 90% of the American public supports laws requiring background checks on all gun purchasers, regardless of whether they buy weapons from licensed dealers or private sellers.22 http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/10/17689167-background-checks-for-guns-what-you-need-to-know http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals. (or any private sales) The facts are available to all, including yourself. I accept your apology. My agenda is simple: to present the facts so that people can understand the need for universal background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and crazies. Your references coincide with your comments; propaganda. Your sources are biased anti gun fanatic groups! No apology from me troll! All states require background checks at gun shows! If you had cited FBI statistics you might have credibility but, you did not, therefore no credibilty for you! Your agenda is to skew the facts and give false information from phony sources! weak attempt! NRA members do not support further background checks! Another lie! Repeated polls lie! Americans have spoken and Do Not Want more background checks than are already in place! Notice crime has gone down! Violence has not increased! And gun sales are at a all time high! Sttets are repealing anti gun laws and writing laws to protect the 2nd amendment! The FBI and the DOJ both repute your statements of opinion! You are so full of ovomit, holder, lynch, feinstein, and pelosi! As they say, you cant fix stupid. Wikipedias article on the gunshow loophole gives primary sources. Unless those primary sources (which clearly you did not notice) are all fraudulent, your claim of bias is a pathetic defense of being called out for ignorance of gun laws. Opponents of expanded background checks, including the National Rifle Association, argue that they would not prevent criminals from acquiring guns, since many get them through back-market sales or theft, or by getting straw purchasers people who can pass background checks to buy guns on their behalf. But the checks have blocked purchases. Since 1998 the F.B.I. has rejected more than a million would-be sales, and when state-level rejections are factored in the number of denials is closer to two million usually because the would-be buyers are convicted felons, or fugitives from justice, or mentally ill, among other reasons. How many of those rejected buyers were able buy guns without background checks, from private sellers or over the Internet, is difficult to say, in part because restrictions imposed by Congress make it difficult for law enforcement officials to track firearms sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/us/gun-law-loopholes-let-buyers-skirt-background-checks.html?_r=0 Why would the NRA oppose closing the loophole on background checks if they did not exist? Here is text from the NRA website (are they a fanatical anti-gun organization too?): . Then they (gun control supporters)wanted background checks on private transfers of all firearms at gun shows. Now, they demand background checks on all private transfers of all firearms, regardless of locationNRA opposes expanding background check systems at the federal or state level. https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/ Here is the head of the NRA confirming that checks on private sales is opposed by the NRA: LAPIERRE: Senator, I do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. LEAHY: OK, so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? LAPIERRE: We do not, http://swampland.time.com/2013/01/31/understanding-the-nra-skittishness-over-the-gun-show-loophole/ Is Lapierre a fantatical anti-gun zealot also? Here is one more piece of objective information regarding attempts to close the loophole you insist does not exist: Attempt to close gun show loophole has failed before LA Times,. citing the many attempts in Congress to close the private sales loophole. Tho many polls show that 90% of the public (and 85% of gunowners ) support universal background checks, the power of the NRA has blocked the will of the vast majority to enact such a law. factcheck.org reports: In 1991, the NRA endorsed legislation creating a national system of instant background checks as an alternative to a seven-day waiting period contained in the proposed Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. But the technology didnt exist yet. A gun-control advocate said the instant check bill would have completely gutted the Brady bill by eliminating the waiting period. In 1993, the Brady bill became law with compromise language on background checks. The law required a five-day waiting period until an instant background check system could be established. Background checks would apply only to federally licensed firearm dealers, and the NRA said it opposed attempts to expand background checks to all gun sales as foolish. atf.gov summarizes the Brady Act: On November 30, 1993, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act was enacted, amending the Gun Control Act of 1968. The Brady Law imposed as an interim measure a waiting period of 5 days before a licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer may sell, deliver, or transfer a handgun to an unlicensed individual Note that unlicensed sellers are not included: this is the loophole that allows criminals to buy guns from private sellers. A 013 academic study concludes that up to 40% of firearms sales are in the secondary market, which means not through the licensed dealers who are required to perform background checks under the Brady Act. http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/CBC%20White%20Paper%20Final%20Report%20022013.pdf Unless the NRA itself is a fanatical anti-gun organization, and the laws of 42 states (which you can look up), and the Brady Act itself is a forgery, it is indisputably true that today, in 31 states anyone can buy a firearm (including a semi-automatic handgun) in a private sale with no background checks. In 42 states, semi-automatic rifles can be similarly purchased in private sales. Since criminals and homicidal psychopaths are very unlikely to volunteer, in a private sale, that by law they are prohibited from purchasing a gun, it is a fact that criminals, terrorists, and crazies can easily buy guns in 42 states with no background checks. The NRA is on record as opposing expanding checks to all gun transfers or sales. Again, I accept your apology for insulting me for presenting to you the facts, affirmed not only by the government and leading media but by the laws in the states and the NRA itself. And if you cannot accept this overwhelming evidence, I would suggest you meditate on the saying: You cant fix stupid. Your right, I can not fix your stupidity or lies! I will never believe your biased B.S. info! NEVER! So you think the Brady Act, the laws of 42 states, and the NRA are all lies? I also urge you to write the NRA and inform them they are wasting their time and money opposing expansion of background checks, since they do not exist. I pray to God you do not own a gun, since people so divorced from reality are not qualified to own one. You have a serious learning disability, caused not be retardation but by oppositional disorders which prevent you from replacing facts with illusions. The right of the people to keep and bare arms Shall not be infringed!!!!! And yes the NRA and especially the brady act laws are lies! So quit trying to convince me of your bullsh!t then you damn TROLL! Background checks in no way infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens. They are unconstitutional only if you think convicted criminals and the homicidally insane have a right to own guns. How can a law be a lie? Are speeding laws lies? I not trying to convince you of anything but merely to present the facts. If you are so disconnected from the facts that you belief they are lies, you are too insane to qualify to own a gun. Trolls rarely present sources, documentation, and evidence. Trolls usually present no evidence and just make personal attacks. Hmnnnn. You are a sad case, Cole. And still you push your farkin B.S. at me! You are an amazingly redundant and dull Troll! Background checks lead to confiscation, Period! History has repeatedly proven this!!! Now fark off! One of my principles isnever let a falsehood stand. And now you play the victim role. To end your imagined torment,stop playing the victim, admit your errors, and apologize for your insults. I know you cannot, and that sadly is your tragic flaw. The result is Troll alert! In Internet slang, a troll (/trol/, /trl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community My posts have been factual, with ample sources, and I believe it was you who first began the insults. My posts are on task and relevant. If you want to discontinue our interaction, stop promoting falsehoods, including the absurd claim that I am trolling. Trolls do not provide evidence, sources, and documentation. I suggest you look in the mirror, then walk away from an unwanted interaction. Your repetitious obscenities and claims of trolling are becoming compulsive. You are not under my control. Show you can walk away.just drop it. I have presented indisputable evidence and you have claimed it is all lies. I sincerely wish you well, hardly something a troll would do. Yeah, if you believe the conspiracy claims about 9/11, you believe the earth is flat and that its the center of the universe. Really? When no one, even in 2001, was allowed to carry any effective means of self defense on airplanes, including the pilots? And when the bulkhead door and bulkhead between the flight deck and the passenger compartment of nearly all airliners was so flimsy that a weakling could batter his way through it in seconds? And you believe that there was sufficient SPECIFIC warning that people in the defense agencies KNEW that such an attack would occur on that date? Yeah right! ROFLMAO. Cant argue or refute the facts, so you make up a load of manure. We dont know the shooters name The police did not kill him to try and hide some twisted plot. Some died immediately, others were critically injured and died a day or two or three days later; The final number is always in flux, reporters do their damnedest to keep up with a flurry of incoming and conflicting information. We dont know the names of the deceased Rest In Peace. DOH, free fall speed is that of gravity-which accelerates everything not strongly supported at 32.2 feet per second each second. And when the steel beams supporting the upper floors of the World Trade Center towers softened and weakened to the point that they could support only one tenth of their design load, yes, the upper stories of the towers did fall at near free-fall velocities. When about 20 stories of steel structure (from the north tower) fall on top of a shorter building, it will collapse under the impact of that weight when it is falling at any velocity unsupported by any intervening structure. Thats just common sense. Melting steel? Even thermite only melts the steel with which it is directly in contact. and it remains molten only as long as it takes to cool to below about 1800 F. BTW, if rivers of molten steel were seen and captured on videos from the towers, why were those rivers not glowing red hot, which is required when steel is MELTED . Obviously youve never been in a smelting operation. Your personal attacks only show that you know you have absolutely nothing in the way of any factual evidence or any possible or conceivable form of logic, or ability ro reason or think in any rational manner. The author is all over the map on this one. Let me pick apart each of your fantasies, by the numbers, one by one: 1. This is now the latest 24/7 story that the mainstream media seems to want and need you to be fascinated by. Yes. Last week it was a bus crash, the week before it was a hurricane, the week before that it was a automobile recall, the week before that, it was the debate on TV. They report news. Its what they do. This was news. 2. Even in the very headline there was a quick post announcing the need for gun control. No shock here. The Liberal Lame Stream media has been doing this for decades. Its their agenda, and it spans multiple presidents. Its not the governments ideaits the medias. 3. Very few actions tell me this shooting has an agenda behind it more than seeing Obama immediately calling for gun control on cue. It is well-known that Obama has a gun control mentality, and he displays it whenever it is convenient. Have you noticed how he completely ignored the 50 people who were shot in Chicago last weekend, because Chicago has very strict gun control regulations and that fact does not conveniently fit into his gun-grabbing Liberal agenda? 4. Did the shooter try to lower his gun? What circumstances led to police actually killing the shooter? Are police reports available for us to see? Dont police disable people any more?? 3 witnesses said instead of trying to surrender, the shooter engaged the police and was shot, injured Psychologists now designate this action as Suicide by Cop. The injured shooter fell to the ground, and at that point, the shooter blew his brains out with a pistol. I might remind you that the Colorado theater nutjob was not killed, and not only was he found to be sane during the massacre, he was just sentenced last month. Not all shooters die. 5. Students didnt recognize their own classmate? Or did the shooter decide to shoot a bunch of strangers in a school that hes never attended? This is common. Nobody knew the Sandy Hook shooter, since he was not an elementary student attending that school. Even small town colleges have medium-to-large student populations. Combine that with the fact that only a few classes had been held because their school year began this week. Did you know all your classmates after the FIRST meeting of your English class? Of course not, unless you have a photographic memory. 6. Who are these dead people? What are their names? And why is there confusion as to how many people are dead at a small school. Is the body count that high? That difficult? Three issues with this point. First, the names are not released until their next of kin are properly notified and can come identify the body. If the student is from out of state, this could take a couple of days. Secondly, the confusion arises from the fact that some critically-injured people are transported to better-equipped hospitals that can handle major trauma. These hospitals are not in the same community and communication can be severed once the victim has been transported. In this case, one of the victims died at the hospital, creating a discrepancy between the body count on the scene versus the actual body count from the disaster (the body count at the school as you put it) Third, confusion is very common with disasters because information is coming from multiple sources, and some of those sources do not have information as current as other sources. The initial body counts on 9-11 were 10,000 and higher, which turned out not to be the case. Bus crashes, aircraft crashes, sinking boats, collapsing buildings, earthquakes, all have widely-different numbers in the early stages of the disaster. This is not out of the ordinary until a command post is established and information can be VERIFIED before being released to the public. This cuts down on rumors and false information being dispersed. 7. Is it a coincidence that former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg has been dumping a lot of money into pushing legislation in Oregon? No big surprise. He puts his millions everywhere. He was in Chicago a couple weeks ago to donate some money. Why would a New York political hack want to donate money to a Chicago political hack? Does that mean theres going to be a school shooting in Chicago next week? Could be, but its not due to Dingbat Doomburgs visit. 8. Everyone should consider that this social media stunt may be purposely bogus to discredit social media. You really think Social Media has legs to stand on? Just look in this post and see how many different opinions are here. Multiply that by 2,000 and the result is Social Media. In fact, Im sure Ill get some differing opinions from my post. 9. Where are the images of the police yellow tape? The blood on the floor? The bodies? The ambulances and emergency vehicles?? By hiding all of these images all of the story and images is left to your imagination and this allows for maximum control of the information. Since I live about 100 miles north of where this tragedy took place, the local TV and radio news stations drove down there to provide live, on-scene reporting within 90 minutes that the Lame Stream media may not have done. I saw plenty of crime scene tape, cop cars, fire trucks, and ambulances When any first responders arrive on scene, their first duty is to move as many people as possible to a safe location, then neutralize the threat(s), then preserve the crime scene and evidence for forensic examination. Firemen and EMTs do not go into a location that is an active shooting scene because they are not armed. If law enforcement can manage to remove a few victims and get them to a wiring ambulance, then that makes it all the better. It makes absolutely no sense to allow an EMT or fireman to be shot or killed, does it? Once the scene is secure, the ambulances will move on scene to remove any remaining victims. 10. Conveniently the controllers have held back the identity of the shooter. Not out of convenience, but rather, out of respect for the victims. The Douglas County Sheriff have a press conference and told the reason why he didnt want to say who the shooter was, and that is because he said at thst point, the medias focus should be on the victims and their familiesnot some deranged monster (his words, not mine). As far as the religious question the shooter was asking, this is simply putting an actual fact out there for the public to digest. Forming an opinion will fall into the realm of the readers to decide, not the press. 11. The lack of witnesses, and the quote: Your ridiculous rant about the statement above is a far reach, indeed. She did not say she was shot by 4 guns. She said the guy HAD four guns2 in his belt, and one in each hand. As far as the lack of statements from witnesses who were close to the scene, did you even remotely consider the fact that most of the witnesses who were close to the scene were in the freaking HOSPITAL with bullet wounds??? Their witness statements were taken there. Among these witnesses is one hero, a former Army vet who took seven (SEVEN) bullets, 2 of which broke both of his legs, while he attempted to hold a door to keep the shooter outside the classroom. He will be in physical therapy for about 9 months while he learns to walk again. (The link to his GoFundMe account is below. Please donate.) He gave the investigators a statementfrom his hospital bed after he came out of surgery. 12. Walking through a crime scene simply involves ducking your head under the yellow crime scene tape and walking to a safe location. It doesnt mean the walk will be through an area where shooting actually took place, nor where victims can be found. At that point, half of the campus was considered to be a crime scene even though the shooting took place in a very limited area of the campus. 13. The alleged manifesto Its not even a manifesto. It was just a warning that said to not go to school of you live in the Northwest. There are 6 states in the Northwest. There were no demands, no activist rants, no justification. Nothing The GoFundMe account: Black smokeno matter what the temperature indicates incomplete combustionnothing more, nothing less. Dont try to read into something that isnt there. Youll go blind Many of the recent false flags are associated with a drill that could be used to iron out any kinks beforehand. Apparently this school had an active shooter drill just a few days prior to the event. Just coincidence? The immediate over-reaction by the media and Obama to push for gun control and this time even allude to the need for gun confiscation is a sure tip-off that this may have been staged and that TPTB are getting desperate to get rid of the possession of firearms in this country. This is not to say that no one was killed in this event by a mind-controlled patsy wind-up toy who like all the others was apparently taking a variety of psychotropic medications. A few dead bodies just makes the staged event appear more real. Unfortunately, I fear the next false flag they stage will be even bigger and more spectacular. Nope, not one of your signs is anything more than the ramblings of a man at the edge of his sanity. Thats what these h@sbara trolls get paid to do- covering up their crimes. Nobody is claiming that nothing occurred. People are increasingly skeptical(rightly so) of the govts and msm version of events. Theyre simply too corrupted to believe anything they say. Youre absolutely correct in stating there is an agenda, and unfortunately, the powers that be will not let anyone stand in the way in achieving their end game(even if it means a few dead civilians). This is a point in US history, where people across this nation need to come together and put an end to these fascist scumbags, instead of fighting amongst ourselves. Repub vs Dem, left vs right, black vs white, gun vs anti gun, Miley vs Minaj .Cant people see the forest for the trees? Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the playbook, and were all being had! Wow you dont know anything. Though I dont know Chris personally, I do know hes been in Oregon for a couple years after serving in the Army for 10. Quit making up crap, you just look like a delusional ahole. Is your name a description of where you get your info from? ROFLMAO! As usual, when confronted with anything resembling facts, your first response, and only response is to begin calling others names. Even PBS disagrees with you. The special design of the World .a rumor about dancing Israelis. Video is not rumour, but factempirical evidence. show us the proof. Show us If you were not involved directly and did not see people with gunshot wounds, you are repeating info that you were told 3rd, 4th or 5th hand. You are reporting propaganda that is unreliable. The Government has cried wolf one too many times. The Government IS the wolf! The article says there are no confirmed witnesses, despite 20 who were wounded. I assume all are blind. Robbie Parker: First prize for best crisis actor. Omg, it was the first week of school so of course he registered a week before. And yeah hes 30 years old, its a community college, 40 and 50 year olds do better things with themselves than you pathetic losers. Not everyone is out to get you, but paranoid delusions are common for people with outrageously large chips on their shoulders. Get back to your video games.. Hey.its the liberal asshat again! Thanks for the entertaining comments. Comedy Central is no match for your mentality..or lack thereof. You people are dumb! This was not a staged shooting this happend for real right here in Oregon!!! What the? Link anywhere objective, please. Everyone involved with the comments below and this site need serious mental health counseling. Most of the time, if 99% of society thinks one thing and you disagree, its because you are the nutjob. This is one of those times. I am amazed at the number of people who believe this type of crap. This is crazy. No one knew the shooter, no one recognized the shooter, no victim names released, the shooter conveniently dies, no motive, there was no actual footage of the buildings being evacuated, a drill for the exact scenario going on around the same time, no police video of the shooting, no video of people being taken to the hospital with blood or bandages, etc. Even the picture of Chris Mintz (the famous hero) being taken into the hospital showed no wounds or bandages on him despite him being shot 5 times and both legs being broken. Its complete BS! I noticed the lack of urgency and blood at trauma tarp and lack of serious injuries but epidemic of Twisted ankles and other thing I noticed NO ambulances w. Sirens speeding to hospital . AK 47 is a devastating weapon that will rip you up but no injuries reflect that . Crime scene that wasnt crime scene is handed over way too quick and IDs look liker it was planted for media and trash wasnt taken , are you kidding ? Finally Masons placed their PURPLE in main PHOTO shot of Victims w. the fat chick . 