Obama Quietly Signs Executive Order to Achieve Global Vaccination AgendaBy Vin Armani It is the policy of the United States to advance the Global Health Security Agenda (GHSA), which is a multi-faceted, multi-country initiative intended to accelerate partner countries measurable capabilities to achieve specific targets to prevent, detect, and respond to infectious disease threats (GHSA targets), whether naturally occurring, deliberate, or accidental. So basically, the agenda is to push vaccines and normalize quarantine procedures across nations during outbreaks. GHSA Immunization Agenda states that participating countries must have. A functioning national vaccine delivery systemwith nationwide reach, effective distributions, access for marginalized populations, adequate cold chain, and ongoing quality control. At least 90% coverage of the countrys 15-month-old population with at least one dose of measles-containing vaccine. Some notable Five Year Action Items include: Bill Gates provided the CDC with a surveillance tool that helps identify district-level measles risk based on immunization records. (Source is same CDC link as above). Whats more, the HHS recently proposed giving the CDC the power to detain and quarantine people without due Process. When an apprehension occurs, the individual is not free to leave or discontinue his/her discussion with an HHS/CDC public health or quarantine officer. the proposed practice to issue Federal orders before a medical examination has taken place. CDC defines precommunicable stage to mean the stage beginning upon an individuals earliest opportunity for exposure to an infectious agent. CDC may enter into an agreement with an individual, upon such terms as the CDC considers to be reasonably necessary, indicating that the individual consents to any of the public health measures authorized under this part, including quarantine, isolation, conditional release, medical examination, hospitalization, vaccination, and treatment: provided that the individuals consent shall not be considered as a prerequisite to any exercise of any authority under this part. individuals who violate the terms of the agreement or the terms of the Federal order for quarantine, isolation, or conditional release (even if no agreement is in place between the individual and the government), he or she may be subject to criminal penalties. The source of all quotes above is the official proposed rule for the Control of Communicable Diseases by Health Human Services (HHS). Watch the full show here. Vin Armani is the host of The Vin Armani Show on selfnews Post, TV Star of Gigolos on Showtime, Author, DJ, and Agorist Entrepreneur. Follow Vin on Twitter and subscribe on YouTube. Observation: Greedy Big Pharma would enjoy a windfall profit with this boondoggle, just as the Insurance industry had one with Obamacare, and the Green Energy company owners did, when they walked off with the money and let the companies go bankrupt .. all a series of legislative bequests given to corporate America on the backs of and at the expensive of, the people. In the end, companies profit while running the population under the bus. Historically, any nation that betrays its people ceases to exist, and these fools are too enamored with their own self-licking ice cream cone to notice. I used to think it was all about profit. Its mostly that but also control. These chemical injections carry serious risks including debilitating diseases and death. For the older generation it dementia and Alzheimers. They dumb us down and make people sick and die. Depopulation by chemicals. Yes glad you see it too the control over us. Its all about exploiting for power. Notice how doctors are becoming politicians? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg Do you have something to say with your own words or you only have your fancy images? Please explain how the originality or lack thereof affects the truth value of the claim then well discuss it. You posted some fallacious image so Im basically asking what your argument is. You obviously have something to say. First, you need evidence it was a fallacious image. Second, dont fall prey to the fallacy fallacy. My point is what it says on the image. Obviously. Fourth, answer the question please. Come now chief. Its a simple question. You challenged me with something so Im just asking you to come with your argument in your own words. Image has integral support. I guess coming up with any arguments to support a vaxtremist position is a challenge for anyone. Anything else you want to add? Answer my question. Ive already come up with arguments. I NEVER SAW ONE ARGUMENT OF YOURS ? JAPANESE WOMEN FILE A LAWSUIT OVER GARDASIL DAMAGE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e20a8ac86667392f362f953375102ad0def18c0f49520ae2519b9b35797ca9ee.jpg Your bad eyesight is not my problem. What was the verdict in the lawsuit? You approached me, Mike. Are we going to do this ridiculous dance yet again? How many pastings have you received in the past? I lost count. If you wish to talk to Mike, talk to him. My post history is public. @disqus_0bT5QNRHDf LOL. Whatever you say. Still waiting. Dorit Reiss Report us as sockpuppets then. And still waiting All you have to do is remind me of the question that I cant find. To be pedantic, Ill rewind: You approached me with one your many wonderful images instead of coming out with an argument in your own words and supplying supporting evidence. Follow me so far? Im simply asking you what your argument is as a premise. Its not rocket science. This is a public forum, so everyone can see through your deflections and inability answer even the most trivial questions. Since you dont like being called Mike, maybe I call you by your surname: Pedophile What is your evidence that my surname is Pedophile? Obvious unacceptable libel? Flagged and downvoted. If you recall one of our previous debates I likened your kind with a pedophiles because they (you) knowingly abuse children without remorse. And Im still waiting. Okay. The answer to your question is: Yes but Im too lazy and besides, its irrelevant since originality of phrasing or lack thereof does not affect the truth value of the claims. I certainly do provide sources since the memes cite sources on them. You still havent provided EVIDENCE. Also, learn how to apologize properly. Im still waiting for your evidence that I abuse children without remorse. {distractor classification} NOW you know why hes called dumb dumb Ive been waiting for 3 years to have evidence provided of payment. You can wait a little longer youll live. Oh, I surely will. So let me make sure I understand. Youre not going to provide any argument and supporting evidence. Is that correct? Nope, its wrong. Im going to make you wait until anyone can provide evidence that I am being paid. Youre just proving my point in that you have absolutely zero credibility. If that works for you Im happy for your Mikey. I really dont give 1/4 of a rats a99 what your motivation is for spreading your misinformation. Were already established that youre on the same level as a pedophile. Provide evidence for this. Provide evidence for that. In all these years you still havent learned how to debate. I couldnt care less about your motivation as Ive already told you many times before, Mikey.You know from experience that I dont fall for distractions/tangents, but its funny seeing you try it. :-)) Funny. A fundamental rule of debate is that when someone makes a claim, they need to back it up. Precisely, which is why Ive been waiting for that from you. Apart from the bit where you have been waiting for an ORIGINAL argument. It looks once again like its a burden for you to come up with any lucid argument or proof backing it up, so Ill change the subject for you: Cypher, again, Im not your ophthalmologist. Your bad eyesight is not my problem The memes are claims with sources. Originality or lack thereof is irrelevant. As for the U.S President? Why would I care? I dont actually think that we will receive a free pass. Thats the point. Still waiting. And Im still waiting for evidence of payment. That claim was made first. Ive been waiting 3 years. But okay, fine. Vaxxed is bullshit. For a start, it confuses elements with compounds. Where/when did I say that? Waiting No, youre not. Cypher. I literally did that in the COMMENT YOU ARE RESPONDING TO. I didnt say you made the claim. Wow. Silly vaxtremist.Your silly meme basically states that anti-vac ppl are wrong and you ppl are right. Waiting for evidence Sources on the meme. Which means you need to back up your meme. Something Ive been waiting on now for over 25 hours now. YOU CLAIM VACCINES ARE HARMLESS Can you back it up with evidence ?? Thats a strawman, nworder. I have never claimed that vaccines are harmless thats what you claim I said. The point is that they are wildly less dangerous than natural immunity. Safe and effective =/= perfect. BUT YOU SAY VACCINES RELY ON NATURAL IMMUNITY THEY STIMULATE NATURAL IMMUNITY YOU SAY ????????? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7ae73a369352f3bd62f563d33f5041fcf5597e36124e4b761efe2ea1a7490218.jpg A handle on basic chemistry please. Also toxins best describes the consequences of natural immunity to diptheria and pertussis. A dog is based on a wolf Id still rather take my chances with a dog than a wolf if I have to be bitten by one. YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED A handle on basic chemistry please. what on earth has basic chemistry got to do with my question ?? its just chaff like all your answers . YET THEY SQUIRT MERCURY INTO BABIES :_ Basic chemistry has got everything to do with your question. Mercury =/= mercury compounds. STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION HERE IT IS AGAIN Oh, Im sorry. Nworder. You are strawmanning me again I didnt realize you confused the scarecrow with me. Natural Immunity is not the same thing as the natural immune system. Natural Immunity = The disease. Natural Immune System = The Immune System. Natural Immunity is not the same thing as the natural immune system. DUH ? Natural immunity = the disease NO IT DOES NOT Natural immunity IS THE SAME as the natural immune system YES TRUE lol One does not have to scratch hard to uncover your ignorance get back to these troll booklets you have failed ! Sorry. Natural Immunity is not the same thing as a natural immune system. How do you get natural immunity to a disease? By having the disease. Natural Immunity has no lymphocytes like the Natural Immune System does. BUT I would say Natural Immunity would involve lymphocytes as well lol I am of the conclusion that natural immunity = natural immune system ! you tried to make a distinction AND you did not answer my QUESTION Q = If you say the natural immune system is so dangerous then why would one want to stimulate it with a vaccine . I know what you are trying to do change the subject to wordplay and avoid the question I have asked you must be the 5 cents a post troll . heh heh Silly vaxtremist. I dont care. Your silly meme basically states that anti-vac ppl are wrong and you ppl are right and Im waiting for evidence, still. You encourage the vaccination abuse of children AND you make money from it https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c8a638cb960ff03b8534675a112fe2c3191d03ce815e3bd0ff53cb182384dc9.jpg Uhhh evidence please? And okay, youre resorting to time-travel now. Were done. Thats why I post the memes, dear, the supporting evidence is on them. You nailed him, Cypher! Thanks for the fighting the good fight. Amazed at the tenacity and smarts of yourself, nworder, AutismDadd. Kudos! Thank you. :-)) Well, you did an excellent job, truly catching him with his pants down when he couldnt produce one argument on his own. Very strange and also hilarious, I expected him to at least parrot a short script. Im impossibly burnt out with NWO synthesis research (14 years!) plus, as a woman, I just dont have the emotional fire to battle the trolls anymore. The last time I had a good battle on vaccines with a troll was James Peters on Green Med Info, probably a couple of years ago now. He briefly popped up on A. Post too a whack a mole. It was frustrating because all he did was post long cut and paste replies despite clearly having at least a little bit of a formal education in the biological sciences. It wasnt a debate, of course, it was a war of attrition. My patience wick has burned down to a nub. Hence, Im eternally grateful for your effort and tenacity. I was happily surprised to see this thread has 3K comments, it really is a great sign. Although, we still have a long way to go gotta keep lighting those brush fires, Cypher! Keep up the great work and thanks again. Cheers . Kind Regards, Blue. Thank you! Youve gained another follower! :-)) Thank you, Cypher, Im very honored, and always open to learning new things, sharing, and providing any helpful breadcrumbs I can. I turned off my privacy setting only a couple of months ago after a request, youll have to forgive me if Im not good at being a practiced guru. See ya around. {AP is slow in approving comments, so sorry for the previous typos} Evidence? I see you have your Hasbra sycophants in towluv your moniker Oh so appropos (lol) Trump just published his first 100 Day Decisions, one of which is to eliminate all Executive Orders signed by the stooge/zombie President Obama, and if so, which we pray occurs, this lousy, Fascist Executive Order will be dismantled. Go, Trump!!!! Get rid of the Fascist police state put in play by puppet Obama as soon as possible!!!!! Americans voted for you, Trump, to forestall a Fascist America, and we are counting on you to cancel Executive Orders signed by Obama. Just do it! yayyy! I think I read somewhere that Trumps eats ORGANIC food choices. Hes not the only one! I changed my whole diet around, and Ill never look back to processed foodswith factory farmed animals getting hormone shots (to make them grow bigger, fasterantibiotic shots (because they live in filth), and fed GMO grain, I want NO dairy and meat unless from grass fed, open range, animals,and all fruits and vegetables with hundreds of chemicals sprayed on them.who wants it?? UGH! I have my fingers crossed hes also made some anti-vax statementslets hope. I am personally sick of living in a world where those of us who research and have knowledge and make educated decisions are somehow crazy conspiracy theorists. Its getting old! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e08003fe4aadb1b8f331de5aed53a362a624b2452a8ea50c0c82f86a16af5930.png What a farce One more reason to be in a state of emergency before inauguration day. Well, looks like I will be going to jail, because I WILL not defile my body with the poisons from big pharma. That IS NOT health. Its my responsibility to provide what is necessary for a healthy immune system. Mercury in vac means permanent damage to the BRAIN. That is what Hitler did in his rule. Hmm that is cause to wonder what is going on with our country! The worship of big pharma means brain damaged people! lol I think you just may be right! As a former public health employee, I have noted that there is no longer an emphasis on prevention!!! If people routinely washed their hands with warm soapy water 90% of the know transmittable diseases would be gone! It could have been lies building up in her throat . You are right. This might sound radical, but I believe all of the medical field is fraud. There is no truth, and they are not in the business of healing. I have participated in 3 online summits produced by Ty Bollinger. The title was The Truth about Cancer, the Global quest. He just has a book out that he authored by the same title. I was very angry when I learned the truth. He traveled all over the world and included interviews with over 100 doctors, practicing as naturopathic field. In Europe they believe in natural remedies. There is NO GMO seeds over there. Does anyone wonder why there is more cancer? I watched the Ty Bollinger series, and I bought his book which is now #1 best seller on amazon. Can I be your friend on FB? I am Yvonne Forsman in Florida. Yes on FB. Being a victim of circumutilation, I had to be an intactivist to educate so others will not suffer but instead enjoy the benefits of having a whole inherit body. So I know the CDC is not now for the public good for the CDC proposed to aim to get all USA males to amputate the foreskin part of their penis. By having any medic visit an opportunity to educate to get cut. Plus your family, lover, caregiver, will be targeted to tell you to get cut. This is what they are doing in Africa and elsewhere like Haiti,telling half truths and outright lies knowingly based on flawed pro biased circ studies and not conducting and studies looking for benefits of the foreskin. And any study showing foreskin has benefits is blocked from publishing in Journals (Dr. Edgar Schoen of Kaiser Pediatrics is now known to have blocked). Example the AAP who the CDC refers, did not list as a reference the ground breaking Sorrells penile sensitivity test study. Btw forced circ is all about power over others. Remember how circ was touted being like a vaccine? Tied to herd immunity? Sounds familiar, yes? IMO the CDC is about making money by wrecking us mentally and physically so to cash in on a lifetime of therapies and the god image doctors use to have when I was a kid. If you dont like being forced about, then beware of HR 1150 that passed the house. The devil is in the details (see our government is dishonest to its citizens) for you would think something like male circumcision in the bill would be mentioned up front in the HR 1150 summary, not. So please read the whole bill about keeping lists of governments and its people, our people, retributions, punishments, teaching about religion to all new gov hires and military at every level of gov even the DMV. This bill calls those against male circ antisemites and suggest antidemites are terrorists. All about power to control others. See Ira Forman Obama circ EU. There was a photo of me used with the afore mentioned CDC circ proposal. ABC and NBC two weeks after publishing this news Dec 4 then censored this, deleted from the net. NBC had since then redid the pro circ article without a circ protest photo, instead it shows a photo of a infant boy cradle in the fathers arms after the tearing, clamping, cutting, sometimes stitch and burn cauterize 1/2 his penile skin off. The caption underneath said now he closes his eyes. As if the baby is all calm and sleepy. So unreal manipulation. Point here is the news networks can not be trusted. I suggest go outside the USA for the truth. What about the rest of the world, amuncat? Amuncat, thank you for your wise words. Yes, 90% of the known transmittable diseases Many of these diseases are airborne. You should quit breathing. Just what did you do in public health? Its definitely not just the mercury. Its also the aluminum along with all the other toxic and pathogenic ingredients. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64cbf6d97c5ce2473703326b700106be225ff139469c1f3c867e826dded98474.jpg Learn some basic chemistry. You are a fish that so easily swallows the .gov bait hook. They do lie, thats a fact. They dont have us simpletons best interest in mind Follow the money trail white rabbit and you will eventually see the truth everyone is trying to tell you. Stop being a mindless sheep swallowing the lies. Now go ingest some more heavy metals along with some flouride and wash it all down with some roundup tainted corn Syrup and aspartame infused drink.. AS if you know chemistry anyways. Yawn. I have followed the money trail, Wise Guy, Can you explain why green countries support vaccines? Why are you referring to the goverment? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg AS if you know chemistry anyways. I know enough to know the https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b546789ba4acaa5ec6cbf9bb9ca3669923c72d6951331b8d5cf36bf72d7e2742.jpg difference between a compound and an element, yeah. THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD (and much of the undeveloped world ) IS IN AMERICA . America is the sickest country in the world with medically induced illness combined with poisonous food and the highest vaccination rate AND they spend more on health than western Europe what a failure. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e9b8c7ac84e79de71d44afe9e6924def8ffab0e63bc2e3d4970f1708b4a3655.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg Child mortality halved? That because they only counted those vaccinated against them dying from the disease they were vaccinated for. Those killed by the vaccine were not part of the statistics. Plus these results were bought and paid for by the drug companies making the vaccines. If you want the REAL truth go to: WHALE / VACCINE and see what doctors from all over the world have personally seen and reported concerning the harm done by vaccines. Citation needed, Ron Roy. Make sure its better quality than the current evidence. And no, Whale doesnt count here. Check out WHALE / VACCINE folks and see why vaccine shills fear that site. Whale to Oh no please not the dreaded Whale. Dr. Kalokerinos showed that the reason that 50% of aboriginal babies were dying shortly after being vaccinated was because of nutritional deficiencies, and when they were supplemented with vitamin C, mortality dropped significantly. But once their nutritional status is good, they are no longer at much risk from mild diseases like measles and pertussis. In which science publications can one read Kalokerinoss work? Im unable to find any publication where Kalokerinos demonstrates that vitamin C altered mortality by administering vitamin Conly interviews on websites like whale where he assets hes done this. Ill ask again, Cia Where can I read this astounding and important research by Dr Kalokerinos? Can you tell us which scientific publication it appears in? And, if he hasnt formally published it, perhaps you could tell us what people should call someone who has a miraculous cure for a serious disease but refuses to share it formally with other colleagues? Would a money-grubbing, evil, inhumane, callous, self-centred b4st4rd just about cover it? Reading this, I thought Id always meant to read his book Every Second Child (died from infant vaccines given to aboriginal children). Went to Amazon, looks like theyre all out of my price range: But must be really good to command $1,106.92 or a mere $275.00. Every Second Child by Kalokerinos Archie (1974-01-01) Hardcover Hardcover 1600 by Kalokerinos Archie (Author) $1,106.92 $275.00 from $275.00 5 Used from $275.00 3 New from $1,106.92 Like I said Moneygrubbing b4stard. Youre a mentally ill criminal vacuolego play in the traffic https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e728cd38f1cf33c57fc388d62da609cdad4916667f98574841f078b66c0f1985.png MIKE STEVENS = a money-grubbing, evil, inhumane, callous, self-centred b4st4rd Your evidence being? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b10189cba1d0233b8673c4e17de972a26d5f7d1ec7992e184666c6a16a50f992.jpg Evidence? I dont think you get to set the tos here, dumb dumb! Citation needed. It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa, Yep sounds like the vaccines WORKING alright. DUMB DUMB HERE IS THE GRAPH AMERICA WINS FOR INFANT DEATH Generation Rescue, Inc. 2009 TABLE 2: NUMBER OF MANDATORY VACCINES AND Mandatory Mortality Rates Mortality Rate JABS deaths That is what you say the graph says. AND IT IS IRREFUTABLE AMERICA IS VACCINATING ITS INFANTS TO DEATH https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg AMERICA IS THE HIGHEST CHILD VACCINATING NATION IN THE WORLD BY FAR. NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR CHERRY PICKED FAKED RESEARCH . GOOD FOOD , HYGIENE HALVED CHILD MORTALITY VACCINES INCREASED CHILD MORTALITY. Nope. HEALTHY HOLISTIC LIVING :- FacebookTwitterGoogle+Pinterest That worst health label includes a ranking of 34th in the world with infant mortality. In other words, the USA has the 34th worst infant survival with its highest rate of vaccinations. Some are directly from multiple vaccinations administered. But the USA leads the world in infant vaccinations, those administered during the first year after their births 26 vaccinations during that time. -In 2016, the schedule has increased to 74 doses by age 17 with 53 injections and 3 oral doses of rotavirus. The number of vaccines included in the current childhood vaccine schedule has quadrupled over the past 60 years, with several demanding multiple injections and boosters. During this exponential rise of CDC recommended schedules, the health of American children has plummeted. Autoimmune diseases, learning disabilities, food allergies, chronic ailments, and childhood obesity have all risen. The overall health of this nation ranks very low compared to all other industrialized nations, dead last in most areas. Vaccine false dogma is so heavy hardly anyone with authority, even in mainstream media, makes the connection between poor health with high vaccination rates. Instead, more, three added for 2016, are getting enforced by mandate or coerced by pediatricians who have the right to refuse medical care on kids who arent vaccinated. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png https://therefusers.com/asthma-and-vaccines-a-dirty-little-secret/ Oh, an antivaccine propaganda website as scientific evidence? Did you see how the entire thread with Ren Anand comments was culled to leave only the ones the LL gang wanted to leave? Its either really Mike Davis making all his silly comments or hes been brought into the gang. Cia, as soon as cathy/LL began to take over the discussion at Science -Trump met with prominent anti vaccine activists during the campaign, like she knew rene on some personal level, chastised parrot Pro, brian realty 22, shined the BAT [astroBRAT] signal and called in the LL barbie ken dolls to flag us, all the comments that stood for over a day [even anne daschels] disappeared! I was appalled at the carnage left behind in that commentary when I revisited it this am. This is what readers and participants need to realize when the LL gang shows up in droves with their 20-30 + upvotes from the just borns in the same time span of mins. Of course the upvotes are joke worthy. However, in the same vein, its this magnitude of just born sockies that trips the flag trigger in THEIR favor, allowing perfectly great and tos compliant comments to be triggered into mod/deletion. THAT is what they do, and how they sanction the truth of their opponents; by allowing the public to engage ONLY the LL pov, by their use of media manipulation at the sites where theyre permitted to run free and gang flag. Mike davis and his sockies; agreed! Rene is actually for further diligent and RECEPTIVE research, showing that the scientific consensus is FAR from conclusive on the hot button issue of vax = autism! Cathy simply permitted rene to stand and told dudley do right to back off, because she understood the embarrassment theyd bring, given renes creds. Readers need to be diligent, when they see these massive gangs of upvotes from this LL gang, in that as easily as they gather their little sox en mass to falsely advance their pov, that they will flag into submission, deletion or BAN, anything that they disagree with. I know that youve tried to make headway for the rest of us, with your complaint against ivan. Unfortunately, it will take much more than one or two people bringing this gang and their tactics, to the attention of disqus admin. This prejudicial censorship can NOT be what disqus intended when it initially offered a platform for responsible opinion, discussion, debate and commentary, for sites using their protocol. And that is why more and more respectable mediums with comment sections are shying away from and leaving disqus! It is sad that Science with an S in a red circle logo, would allow the removal of great comments due to the games these astroBRATS play. Hopefully anyone reading this post who may be in agreement, will take the time to give Science and these barbie and ken just born astroBRATS a good spanking! At the very LEAST, readers, participants AND MODERATORS should become familiar with their digg and bury gang bullying tactics and media/moderation manipulations. Anything Cathy or you say, it is because LL gave you the assignment to say it. Cia, as soon as cathy/LL began to take over the discussion at Science -Trump met with prominent anti vaccine activists during the campaign, like she knew rene on some personal level, chastised parrot Pro, brian realty 22, shined the BAT [astroBRAT] signal and called in the LL barbie ken dolls to flag us, all the comments that stood for over a day [even anne daschels] disappeared! I was appalled at the carnage left behind in that commentary when I revisited it this am. This is what readers and participants need to realize when the LL gang shows up in droves with their 20-30 + upvotes from the just borns in the same time span of mins. Of course the upvotes are joke worthy. However, in the same vein, its this magnitude of just born sockies that trips the flag trigger in THEIR favor, allowing perfectly great and tos compliant comments to be triggered into mod/deletion. THAT is what they do, and how they sanction the truth of their opponents; by allowing the public to engage ONLY the LL pov, by their use of media manipulation at the sites where theyre permitted to run free and gang flag. Mike davis and his sockies; agreed! Rene is actually for further diligent and RECEPTIVE research, showing that the scientific consensus is FAR from conclusive on the hot button issue of vax = autism! Cathy simply permitted rene to stand and told dudley do right to back off, because she understood the embarrassment theyd bring, given renes creds. Readers need to be diligent, when they see these massive gangs of upvotes from this LL gang, in that as easily as they gather their little sox en mass to falsely advance their pov, that they will flag into submission, deletion or BAN, anything that they disagree with. I know that youve tried to make headway for the rest of us, with your complaint against ivan. Unfortunately, it will take much more than one or two people bringing this gang and their tactics, to the attention of disqus admin. This prejudicial censorship can NOT be what disqus intended when it initially offered a platform for responsible opinion, discussion, debate and commentary, for sites using their protocol. And that is why more and more respectable mediums with comment sections are shying away from and leaving disqus! It is sad that Science with an S in a red circle logo, would allow the removal of great comments due to the games these astroBRATS play. Hopefully anyone reading this post who may be in agreement, will take the time to give Science and these barbie and ken just born astroBRATS a good spanking! At the very LEAST, readers, participants AND MODERATORS should become familiar with their digg and bury gang bullying tactics and media/moderation manipulations. Oh, a father whose precious firstborn child was killed by the hep-B vaccine and he starts researching them? Finds out how crooked and venal the vaccine game is? I can see why youd like to say its propaganda. Lots of information here on vaccines causing asthma and allergies, but there are hundreds of sites with similar or additional information on this. therefusers dot com asthma-and-vaccines-a-dirty-little-secret Were looking for cites, cia, not sites. But can you point me to something with evidence something that realises the difference between after and because please. The article I cited has a passage from Dr. Randall Neustaedters superb book The Vaccine Guide, with summaries of several studies which showed how much more common asthma was in those who had gotten the pertussis vaccine and those who had not. There is also the Manitoba study 1)Im not interested in what an article says a book says. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e728cd38f1cf33c57fc388d62da609cdad4916667f98574841f078b66c0f1985.png 2)What is the PMID number for the Manitoba study? PEER REVIEW IS A RACKET THE ONLY REVIEW THAT IS CARRIED OUT IS THE PHARMA EXECS MAKING SURE ANY RESEARCH THAT SHOWS UP ANY DANGER IS DUMPED AND THE HONEST LABCOAT SACKED. DUMB DUMB you live in a fantasy world Evidence of this global conspiracy? And can you explain why the green countries support vaccines? As for a fantasy world, apparently 100 is a bigger number than 33,000 in your world not in mine. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6df0b23b2288545f97082e2fccd26a5badf138101afd08f310b05f6781b8a638.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba862a798adfe66e2dfe7db74851238c6ac7cf5257048e6150635712b34b3d5.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b546789ba4acaa5ec6cbf9bb9ca3669923c72d6951331b8d5cf36bf72d7e2742.jpg YES BUT IF YOUR MASTERS MANAGE TO GET 6 BILLION PEOPLE VACCINATED WITH 70 VACCINES EACH X 100 THAT IS $42,000 BILLION WOW ! But theres no money in vaccines! (snicker, Dumb is such a shill) THESE GANGSTERS VACCINATE OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS 70 VACCINES NOW X $100 A SHOT IS $7000 A HEAD plus they never work so you will need boosters We will be working a whole year just to pay for our vaccines . Dont double-count and triple-count. ACTIVIST POST WHY ARE YOU LETTING NOM DUMB FILL UP THE SIGHT WITH I SEE YOU DONT DO ARITHMETIC EITHER. *sigh* If the MMR series costs $200, then its 200 / 6 to work out what the cost per vaccine is. Its a 3-in-1 vaccine. BUT YOU SAID $100 FOR ONE MEASLES VACCINE NOW ITS $200 FOR SIX VACCINE BUY ONE GET ONE FREE LOL DO YOU DECIDE THESE FIGURES ?? No, the $200 dollars is for six vaccines given over 2 injections. $100 dollars is for three vaccines with one injection. Its not complicated. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4fdcb0095b8a7b9fcc59307b5013748f15656deeb58f60f05332ff9e2ffb7292.jpg Well I tell you what Nom.Poor Big Pharma must be going broke where I live.My daughter-in-law has told me that vaccinations for all three of her children has cost her NOTHING,So it would make sense not to have vaccination available so they could make money to treat vaccine preventable diseases Where I live too! But then again, Andrew Wakefield is ours, unfortunately so ermsorry about that. HOW DAFT CAN YOU GET ? THE NHS PAYS THE VACCINE MAFIA FOR VACCINATIONS AND THEY WILL CHARGE WHAT THEY WANT . SO OUR UK TAXES PAY THE VACCINE MAFIA ULTIMATELY I dont live in the UK. Youre absolutely rightyou dont account for anything(lol) In a word CONSENSUS Enjoy your strategic denialwalking the talk and moral integrity https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03ead76900f1c9d792d52e6321d87a1f3f13bbb5bf3005929d96652787f35f1a.jpg THIS IS NOW HISTORY THE CRAZY JABBERS WANT TO GIVE YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN 70 + VACCINES Vaccine Schedules, Autism Rates, and Under 5 Mortality Generation Rescue, Inc. 2009 All rights reserved 1 THE UNITED STATES has the most aggressive mandated vaccine schedule in the world. Today, there are 11 licensed vaccines on the U.S. Recommended Immunization Schedule published annually by the Centers for Disease Control. Many of the vaccines are administered multiple times. Table 1 depicts the evolution of the U.S. vaccine schedule and also highlights the adoption rates of other Western Countries of each vaccine. Generally speaking, the U.S. has been the early adopter of new vaccines. TABLE 1: U.S. MANDATED VACCINES VERSUS OTHER COUNTRIES 1940s Diptheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (DTP) 5 30 of 30 (100%) Take a hike troll. Nobody is buying the poison youre selling. Huh. Thats oddyoud expect poison https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png to have an adverse health effect. PAID SOROS-TROLL ALERT! PAID SOROS-TROLL ALERT! Case 1 Just supposing I really am a paid shill for the pharma companies. Im writing my piece because Im paid to express those views, not because I have arrived at them by honestly examining facts and evidence. That means Im writing my piece irrespective of the facts, and so my piece may well be factually inaccurate. If thats true, it should be easy for my opponent to point out these inaccuracies shouldnt it? So why dont they? Why do they insist instead on just saying Im a pharma industry shill? Surely what matters is if the argument I have presented is correct or not? Case 2 Alternatively, suppose Im still a pharma industry shill, and Im still writing my piece because Im paid to do so, but suppose that my piece just happens to coincide with the facts. My piece is factually correct, purely by accident. So what is the relevance that I am a pharma industry shill? My piece is correct regardless. Surely what matters is that the argument I have presented is correct? Case 3 Im not a paid shill for the pharma companies, and I have written my piece based on what I think is a good honest evaluation of the facts and evidence. Of course, my arguments could still be wrong Im only human after all. So how does anyone tell if my argument is correct? Surely they would still have to examine my arguments to see if they are correct or not? Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. Its a substitute for thinking. Its also 100% flawed reasoning: you dont arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented. The funny thing is, people on both sides of the political spectrum criticize the other side for this method of debate, and yet they dont realize they do it themselves. For example, those on the left will rail at Karl Rove for smearing his opponents and yet they will be the first to criticize their opponents based purely on a connection to (say) a corporation and profits rather than to any actual wrongdoing. Skeptico, piece on ad hominem. Do you have any actual evidence by the way? EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID No, thats an assertion. This statement particularly frought with specious ersatz platitudes of a thoroughly disingenuous subjective nature, that is secretly seeking to aggrandize your HUGE egonothing more youre a special case of evil personified that is aiding abetting the horror torture of intentionally inflicted autism paralysis et al youre also a control freak narcissist Ive come across your type many times in my life a prostitute a slave to a kakistocratic ponerology. minion of the 0.01% a Rockefeller puppet that works from NGO s that supply you with this slick as s**t prevaricating demeaning fabricated mendacity of psy-op/spin-doc colored balloons visual cotton candy essentially guilty of depraved indifference, malice of forethought, felonious assault, conspiracy to administer noxious substances, murder, torture, Demo /Genocide et al .. as Crimes Against Humanity! .as you hide behind your vague inveigled sophistryin short an unrepentant socio/psychopath that gets a vicarious reptillian thrill from facilitating all of the pain suffering of multi- thousands of children that will not ever have a normal life because of the toxic poisons that youre peddling selling .exactly like J.D.Rockefellers father, the original snake oil salesmanBut youre a psychopath mentally ill.one day you will pay the piper I hope you remember these words when you finally forced to face the monstrous evil that you are a willing part of. Because this isnt a debate about red vs blue. This is a debate where the evidence points squarely in one direction. Evidence of this global conspiracy please? NO this is you grand standing on a proselytizers soap box ..pontificating drool https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b546789ba4acaa5ec6cbf9bb9ca3669923c72d6951331b8d5cf36bf72d7e2742.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8567bca522500dd0c688541bb541bf8a960fb094b392635aa426edddc8ffa4bb.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg Totally agree This full-blown blitzkrieg by these mercenary trolls (probably Hasbra 4 Hire) shills for Pig pHARMa made it so obvious that people could see that theyre getting desperate by this deluge of farcical mendacious psy-op glitter/ picture foodya just cant eat ityou gave this the good fight toothese people are psychopath monsters, as you correctly have perceived. slick sophistry to those that can see through you your specious BS Thats my point: If you can see through my BS, rebut it. Payment doesnt enter into that. Entirely appropriate to out me if I am being paid but that requires evidence so do it after rebutting. The guy is following 1,048 people, hes either a shill or a psychopath possibly both. I would not waste your time, el Capitan you got guru sh*t to be working on! What a time-waster you are. I, unlike you, dont get paid to do this and I have a lot of things I need to do. How dare you say someone is being paid with absolutely no proof? And you just basically reposted an old post of yours. A shill can be paid or not paid. Are you paid? Katia simply lacks logic and intellect but is too arrogant to realize it! She enjoys the herd mentality of a good sheep! No doubt. As a nurse (retired) she misses her herd and thinks shes found a new one. Hilarious how they turned on each other and justthefacts (twistthefacts) got banned. Surely you would not support baby deaths and vaccine injury without being paid. You work for cash to do something like this who would do this kind of soul damming All who live a lie (which is the way of life of a troll ) will end up in the lake of fire. REPENT Dumb Dumb oops FallsAngel Has nothing to do with Nom Dumb Disqus being paid to post. Thats character assassination, and cia knows that. DUMB DUMB that skating outfit suits you Most vaccine injury stories are just that. MOST STORIES THAT VACCINES WORK ARE JUST THAT ! Try again: The cases are quite different. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png I am new here but I am appalled as to how many posters accuse other posters of getting paid and not providing evidence,my mom told me years ago that only liars called other people liars,SORRY moderator for being off topic. IF you are a new troll on the block you will soon learn the ropes . Your mums wrong -eg Judges often call defendants liars since what they said was found out to be not truthful are you then saying all judges who call defendants liars are also liars ?? However if you are not a troll you will soon find out who the lying trolls are actually there have been lying judges in the past however we are off topic here.have a nice day. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7a0eddd469d70f442fc9138566d6c4bb8c4ef72dad3f9fcb1be19987a0e16c9.gif 1)FAD for that shill gambit. 2)I asked for PMid numbers. 3)I will counter this stuff about SIDs etc every time you state it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg Delay in DPT Vaccination is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Childhood Asthma Given that we use the Tdap/DTaP now, utterly irrelevant. Plus you do understand that associated =/= caustive, right? Conclusion of that paper by the way is this We found a negative association between delay in administration of the first dose of whole-cell DPT immunization in childhood and the development of asthma; the association was greater with delays in all of the first 3 doses. The mechanism for this phenomenon requires further research. Explain that in your own words, cia. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/979a7591fcb9d270e9da429faad9e056962f7a4c458cd8a346b0384bb30b2c13.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.pn https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba862a798adfe66e2dfe7db74851238c6ac7cf5257048e6150635712b34b3d5.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c130cc76eddfc381705d7df2933291f86edfba653b15beef3bb6a93b92945cdd.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b546789ba4acaa5ec6cbf9bb9ca3669923c72d6951331b8d5cf36bf72d7e2742.jpg Wow a graph. Dont see them every day. Shes ridiculous! AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY RATE NOW THE IMPROVEMENT IN HEALTH WAS CLEARLY SANITATION AND NUTRITION AND BETTER LIVING CONDITIONS NOT VACCINATION . THE IMPROVEMENT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE VACCINATION SINCE FEW WERE JABBED WITH 50 TIMES IN THE 1950S Citation needed for those caps. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c318290813f882580d8e725bf513c0ef6aa60634d1ccba5325da58aebf065a47.jpg AMERICA HAS HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD UK Scraps Pneumonia Vaccines Because They Dont Work by Dr. Mercola The United States requires infants to receive 26 vaccines (the most in the world) yet more than 6 U.S. infants die per every 1,000 live births. In contrast, Sweden and Japan administer 12 vaccines to infants, the least amount, and report less than 3 deaths per 1,000 live births. The study also found evidence that some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may actually be vaccine-related. According to a recent press release: The current study by Miller and Goldman, Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity? found a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths? Other study findings: The United States spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country; yet 33 nations have better infant mortality rates. Some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may be due to over-vaccination. Progress on reducing infant deaths should include monitoring immunization schedules and official causes of death (to determine if vaccine-related infant deaths are being reclassified). Infant mortality rates will remain high in developing nations that cannot provide clean water, proper nutrition, improved sanitation, and better access to health care. Millions of people were injected with the vaccine, which was supposed to offer ten-year protection against an infection that causes pneumonia. But independent expert government advisors say the program has had no discernible impact on rates of pneumococcal disease. According to the Daily Mail: Yes you are Lyingget drunk.take all your clothes off then go play chicken with the oncoming cars on the closest freeway tonight do us all a BIG favor complete 100% BS Lying again, Cia? Delay in DPT Vaccination is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Childhood Asthma Unexpectedly Limited Durability of Immunity Following Acellular So why pick just one study out of the dozens of others? A study of 171 cases, compared to the studies with tens of thousands of cases??? I think what weve got here is one honest study getting through, when nearly all or all of the others have caved to the pressure to give the pharma masters what they want. But regardless of that, you know that the acellular vaccine is very ineffective. Everyone knows that. Thats why there was a pertussis outbreak four years ago, there were over 48,000 diagnosed cases of pertussis in the US, and a lot more undiagnosed, they said that most were appropriately vaxxed, but I doubt thats true. Why would adults get dangerous, ineffective pertussis boosters for a mild disease? I think its the one honest study. Now why do you lie, propping up all the pathetic made-to-order studies commissioned by the pharma companies? Have you no shame, no guilt? Sorry, silly question. It has been proven that the pertussis vaccine often causes autism. Who has proved it and where is this research published? Your not interested in anything other then propaganda from the pharmaceutical companies. Facts known you propably have skin in the game Yea youre a graph guy not a book guy. Great spam by the way. AND ANOTHER GRAPH!! YAY!!! She [dumb dumb] DOES love to spam since shes too witless to think for herself! Column on the left.ALL part of the MEDICAL MAFIA. You know that criminal organization run by the pharmaceutical companies.You should add WHALE / VACCINE to the column on the right. The info there is free. Hundreds of papers, studies. anecdotes, personal observations / experiences by good honest doctors, scientists, medical researchers etc who have no ties to the MEDICAL MAFIA. The article I cited has a passage from Dr. Randall Neustaedters superb book The Vaccine Guide, with summaries of several studies which showed how much more common asthma was in those who had gotten the pertussis vaccine than in those who had not. There is also the Manitoba study, which I mentioned, showing that giving the pertussis vaccine at two months doubles autism rate in seven year olds compared to waiting two months to start the series. Medscape dot org viewarticle 572891 I put this information up to inform the concerned reader: you are paid to trash every word I say and drag it out for days or weeks. I have other things to do. The interested reader is encouraged to trust his instincts and research the issue carefully before letting his or her children any vaccine. Look at The Vaccine Guide or Dr. Mayer Eisensteins Make an Informed Vaccine Decision, also Vaccine Epidemic, before doing anything. And then ask why many of the commenters on sites like this follow vaccine critics from site to site all over the Internet, shouting Lie! at every word out of our mouths, and do it full time. And draw the obvious conclusions. luv yer 4 little trolls that follow you around Would that be naturopath and acupuncturist (not a doctor) Randall Neustaedter who was arrested for sexually assaulting a client? ask why many of the commenters on sites like this follow vaccine critics The obvious reason? Because they are lies, thats why. TROLL Thanks for your erudite contribution to the discussion, eddy. Evidence we do it full-time, Cia? Oh and wonder no more: .I follow you on disqus because I feel the need to keep an eye on your nonsense and counteract it for the lurkers. Ditto! If you have other things to do then get off the internet and do them. you (Dumb Dumb) are paid to trash every word I say and drag it out for days or weeks. Slander. Evidence, ciaparker, for that shill gambit please. Baseless ones get flagged and downvoted. No, Cia, there are lots of claims there that vaccines caused their kids asthma. Big difference. There were lots of claims about Wakefield. Accusations not facts. 4 little trolls of mad hatter sycophants Yea but Dumb has graphs!!! Anecdote does not equal evidence. The reality is that vaccination has essentially zero linkage to atopic illnesses. ITS DUMB DUMB WITH ANOTHER ANOTHER FALSE IDENTITY. I will choose anecdote any day to thousands of faked research papers . What about millions of anecdotes from vaccine damaged families . And your evidence is? Rosenlund H, Bergstrom A, et al. Allergic disease and atopic sensitization in children in relation to Same findings, different study: Shaheen SO, Aaby P, et al. Measles and atopy in Guinea-Bissau. Lancet 1996 Jun 29; 347(9018): 1792-96. 262 subjects in Kucukosmanoglu E, Cetinkaya F, et al. Frequency of allergic diseases following measles. Allergol Immunopathol (Madr) 2006 Jul-Aug; 34(4): 146-49. Children Also: Kuyucu S, Saralar Y, et al. Determinants Silverberg JI, et al, Chickenpox Alm JS, et al, Atopy Floistrup H, et al. Allergic Kondo N, Fukutomi O, et al. Improvement McKeever TM. Vaccination Hurwitz EL, Effects Odent MR, et al. Pertussis Bersen RM, Nagelkerke NJ, et al. Reported pertussis infection and risk of atopy in 8- to 12-year-old Kemp T, Pearce N, et al. Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy? McDonald KL, Huq SI, et al. Delay in DPT vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood Bremmer SA, Carey IM, et al. Timing of routine immunizations and subsequent hay fever risk. Arch DIs Child 2005; 90: 567-73. EXCELLENT STUFF MAKES DUMB DUMB LOOK EVEN DUMBER Thank you. Its not hard to do. Theyre just jerking in their St. Vitus dance ever more frantically, desperately playing for time. They know theyre done for. Oh, for Gods sake, cia! Why dont you address what was in cias post? Quite a bit in there, interested in hearing your refutation. Check my posts. This has all been addressed before. She just reposts the same old, same old. Because weve been trying to convince for 200 years? Oh wait, nope. Rosenlund, Bergstrom, et al: In the whole group of children, atopic sensitization was inversely associated with measles infection, and a similar tendency was seen for measles vaccination. To reduce risks of disease-related modification of exposure, children who reported symptoms of wheezing and/or eczema debuting during first year of life were excluded from some analyses. After this exclusion, inverse associations were observed between measles infection and any allergic symptom and any diagnosis of allergy by a physician. However, no associations were found between measles vaccination and allergic disease. Theres a reason you dont cite the entire abstract, cia. Shaheen, et al We conducted a historical cohort study in Bandim, a semi-rural district of Bissau, the capital of Guinea-Bissau. 395 young adults, first surveyed in 1978-80 aged 0-6 years, were followed up in 1994. Our analyses were restricted to 262 individuals still living in Bandim for whom a measles history, documented in childhood, was judged to be reliable. We defined atopy as skin-prick test positivity ( or = 3 mm weal) to one or more of seven allergens. So, they only tested children who had the measles, not children who were vaccinated. Kucukosmanoglu et al Fifty-two children hospitalized in our clinic with measles were compared with 51 children without measles. They did no comparisons with children who had been vaccinated. MEASLES VACCINATION KILLS OVER 100 IN THE LAST TEN YEARS Wild measles killed over 300 people per day in 2015 just not in the US. In the US, Dr Vincent Ianelli gives the statistcs for wild measles deaths since 2000 with figures from the National Bureau of Vital Statistics(pediatrics dot about dot com slash od slash measles slash fl slash Measles dash Deaths dot htm): Measles deaths are thought to occur in about 1 in every 500 to 1,000 cases. This is not just in developing countries or in people with chronic medical conditions. Consider that in an outbreak in the United States from 1989 to 1991, amid 55,622 cases, there were 123 deaths. More recently, measles cases and measles deaths in the United States include: 2000 86 cases 1 measles death (infant) (endemic spread of measles eliminated in U.S.) So thats 11 measles deaths since 2000 and at least 8 measles deaths since 2005. Then theres SSPE: Lately, in addition to deaths from acute measles infections, there have been even more deaths from subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE). About 6 to 8 years after having measles, children with SSPE develop progressive neurological symptoms, including memory loss, behavior changes, uncontrollable movements, and even seizures. As symptoms progress, they may become blind, develop stiff muscles, become unable to walk, and eventually deteriorate to a persistent vegetative state. Children with SSPE usually die within 1 to 3 years of first developing symptoms. 2000 5 SSPE deaths Fortunately, as the number of measles cases has been dropping in the post-vaccine era, so have the number of SSPE deaths. The National Registry for SSPE, reported that there were at least 453 cases between 1960 and 1976. There were 225 deaths from SSPE between 1979 and 1998. The registry wasnt established until 1969 though, and it is now becoming clear that the risk of developing SSPE is much higher than once thought. (The most recent study, published this month, puts SSPE at closer to 1 per every thousand. You can google for Study: Fatal measles complication not as rare as previously thought by Melissa Jenco). So that I can verify your numbers, please provide links/names for the100 deaths from MMR VAERS #s will suffice. SHAY IS MAKING UP FIGURES GLOBAL RESEARCH :- Many of our older readers probably remember a time when measles wasnt viewed with the obscene level of paranoid hysterics being witnessed today. Like chickenpox, measles was a common childhood infection that, after running its typically mild course, imparted lifelong immunity in those who contracted it. The risk of serious complications or death from measles has always been overwhelmingly minimal, in other words, with previous generations viewing it as something of a rite of passage. I provided you with the links; go there and disprove the original figures if you can. (I wont hold my breath). What does the very first page of VAERs say? Kuyucu et al Day care attendance, highpaternal education level, male gender and maternal asthma weresignicant risk factors for atopy. Breastfeeding more than 6 months(compared with 06 months), maternal smoking during pregnancy anda birth weight under 2500 g were inversely related to (or protectivefactors for) atopic sensitization. Maternal atopic disease had signicanteects on risk factors pattern. In children with a maternal atopy historya low birth weight, day care attendance and maternal smoking duringthe rst year of life independently increased the risk of atopic sensiti-zation. Gender, breastfeeding and paternal education did not show anyassociation with atopy in this group of children. A history of measles and low gestational age were signicant protective factors for mitesensitization. This study showed that children of atopic mothers showeda dierent prole of risk factors associated with atopic sensitization,when compared with other children. Prenatal and early childhoodevents had important associations with atopic sensitization. Why didnt you list all of the other factors that were included or excluded, cia? VACCINATION CAN CAUSE ALL OF THE ABOVE AND MORE I would like to read the research papers from which you derived this information. Can you provide titles? DONT LISTEN TO SHAY AN UNEDUCATED TROLL HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIVE OR DIE ONLY ABOUT HIS TROLL CASH The vaccinations are not working and they are dangerous. We should be working with nature. Dr. Lendon Smith, MD There is no scientific evidence that vaccinations are of any benefit, but it is clear that they cause a great deal of harm. Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD All vaccines are and have been causing ischemic (impaired blood flow) damages to all creating a plethora of chronic illnesses, disease, and in some instances, death. The injury from vaccination is additive; each vaccination further injures. Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD When you impair the brain blood flow by vaccination you can impair the respiration control center which can result in death. We call it SIDS. Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD Vaccination is the most dangerous medical practice in the history of classical medicine. Dr. Sladjana Velkov (Macedonia) LISTEN TO DOCTORS ON THE FRONT LINE :- Lendon Smith died fifteen years ago, so no longer on the front line, is he? HERES SOME MORE DOCTORS FOR YOU TO SPREAD THE DIRT ON you pathetic troll :- PS I would certainly promote sunshine it keeps my vit D levels high and this is important for all illness avoidance. Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that arent necessary or that have very limited benefits. Jane M. Orient, M.D., Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) executive director. My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others. Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D. When I was training, one in 2,500 [children were autistic]. Now it is one in 250. At the moment, the only logical explanation for this is MMR. Dr Kenneth Aitken, British specialist in the treatment of autism. (The Telegraph, United Kingdom, April 2, 2002) By the (U.S.) governments own admission, there has been a 41% failure rate in persons who were previously vaccinated against the (measles) virus. Dr. Anthony Morris, John Chriss, BG Young, Occurrence of Measles in Previously Vaccinated Individuals, 1979; presented at a meeting of the American Society for Microbiology at Fort Detrick, Maryland, April 27, 1979. In 1993 a high court judge in the UK decided that it was impossible to know the exact contents of vaccines and that science had no idea what the cocktail of chemicals, contaminants and heavy metals contained in vaccines could do to the human body, or why they would work to prevent disease. British Medical Journal, 1993. There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway. Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin.) There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age. Paul Frame, M.D., Journal of Family Practice Our results suggest that infants whose mothers are born since measles vaccine licensure in 1963 are significantly more susceptible to measles than are infants of older mothers and that the risk of measles increases incrementally with each year increase in the maternal year of birth. Increased susceptibility to measles in infants in the United States , Pediatrics 1999 (Nov); 104 (5): e59 The strong association between vaccination with RRV-TV and intussusception among otherwise healthy infants supports the existence of a causal relation. Intussusception among infants given an oral rotavirus vaccine, Murphy TV, et al. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, N Engl J Med. 2001 Feb 22;344(8):564-72 Delay of DPT immunization until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damage vaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death. Raymond Obomsawin, Ph.D. Autism may be a disorder linked to the disruption of the G-alpha protein, affecting retinoid receptors in the brain. A study of sixty autistic children suggests that autism may be caused by inserting a G-alpha protein defect, the pertussis toxin found in the D.P.T. vaccine, into genetically at-risk children. Mary N. Megson, M.D. My data proves that the studies used to support immunization are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunization provides a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. This question can only be determined by proper studies which have never been performed. The flaw of previous studies is that there was no long term follow up and chronic toxicity was not looked at. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my researchand thus acknowledges the need for proper studies. John B.Classen, M.D., M.B.A These data show that DPT vaccination may be a generally unrecognized major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunization may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for re-evaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures is indicated by this study. William C. Torch, M.D., Director of Child Neurology, Department of Pediatrics, University of Nevada School of Medicine The (Illinois) department followed the recommendation of a panel of experts, its Immunization Advisory Committee, while rejecting the advice of others who thought the decision should be left to parents and pediatricians. But in what critics consider a conflict of interest, 5 of the committees 18 members have financial ties to Merck, which makes the chickenpox vaccine. Two members of the committee have given talks for Merck, receiving up to $750 per speech. A third member directs a nonprofit group that has received $20,000 in grant money from the company. And two other members own stock in Merck, including one who has owned as much as $16,000 worth. (Sun Times, January 27, 2002) Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS. Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims. The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond all reasonable doubt, that artificial immunization is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given. Richard Moskowitz, M.D., Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy, March 1983 (76:7) Sudden Infant Death Syndrome has been reported following administration of DPT. The significance is unclear. 85% of SIDS cases occur in the period 1 through 6 months of age, with the peak incidence at age 2 to 4 months. From the accompanying insert to Connaught Labs DPT shot. Not spreading any dirt information all of these individuals can easily be found for those who bother to check. You obviously dont you just copy/paste whatever someone else tells you. Id especially to point out that Paul Frame, MD, has all of his articles from the Journal of Family Practice listed on the University of Rochester website and none of them are about vaccines. So, who are all of individuals you claim are doctors on the front lines? You mentioned Mendelsohn again not a doctor. Moskowitz, not a doctor. Obomsawin, not a doctor. Anthony Morris, not a doctor, Aitken, died 2009 but not until having to resign from his hospital post and (later and for a different reason) being censured by the British Psychological Society for inappropriate and unprofessional treatment of one of his autistic patients. Buchwald, retired 1990, so no longer a doctor (also dead). Current practitioners are William C. Torch, who is primarily a sleep researcher. John Classen, also a researcher (moreover, one whose results cant be replicated) Mary Megson, who believes autism can be cured with cod liver oil, Jane Orient, head of AAPS, the medical equivalent of the John Birch Society. The researchers who discussed the link between the RRV-TV vaccine and intussusception? Thats why that vaccine was recalled and hasnt been used since 1999. MENDELSOHN WAS A DOCTOR WHY ARE YOU LYING SO BLATANTLY Dr Robert Mendelsohn received his Doctor of Medicine degree from the University of Chicago in 1951. And hes been dead for thirty years (ironically enough, he didnt believe in coronary bypass surgery and died of cardiac arrest). I really love your references to doctors who are on the front lines. THE FAKE DOCTOR JENNER WHO INVENTED VACCINATION AND KILLED HIS WON SON WITH SMALLPOX VACCINATION AND IS STILL TAUGHT ABOUT IN MEDICAL SCHOOLS HE WILL BE YOUR HERO NO DOUBT HES BEEN DEAD FOR 193 YEARS LOL HEHEEEHE E E HAHA HHA Misinformation typed in all caps (and mis-spelled) is still misinformation. ,PS I would certainly promote sunshine it keeps my vit D levels high and this is important for all illness avoidance. How do you feel about the medical virtues of coffee enemas? Depends what were comparing them to, doesnt it? I mean, if youre going to stick something up your kids butt, coffee is one of the less-bad options. I just dont understand why youd want to traumatize your kids for no reason, though. But youre right, its certainly a better option than MMS. Kind of like the choice between being hanged or shot. Neither do I. But if you insist on doing so, I dont think we need to take your kid away because you failed at teaching them how coffee works. MMS, on the other hand.yeahthis is pretty much you stating outright that youre not a fit parent. General yous, not you-you. Compared to MMS, all the coffee-enema people have against them is that theyre not quite sure what the correct orifice is. Yes, but. . . if you give too many enemas, you can mess up the persons large intestine and sphincter. ONE VACCINE SHOT CAN MESS UP YOUR HEALTH FOR LIFE OR EVEN KILL YOU DITRH :- Vaccines ARE Genocide Most peoples reaction to that comment is, what about the polio vaccine that saved us all from that horrible disease? The truth is Polio like all viruses follows a bell curve and was 90% gone when the Salk vaccine was introduced. Polio reportedly died off after the vaccine was mandated. What you werent told is that Polio was following the same curve in other countries that DID NOT vaccinate and it ALSO went away there. There was actually a JUMP up in the number of Polio cases in the USA after the introduction of the vaccine. After that anyone showing symptoms was then diagnosed with Meningitis rather than Polio. Its all a big BULLSHIT production to engrain in the population a belief that vaccines are necessary to live on earth and if you dont take them you are a horrible person. That couldnt be farther from the truth. The CDC recently admitted that in 98 MILLION polio vaccines they gave out in the USA had Polio virus responsible for over 55,000 cases a year of Lymphoma. Big Pharma is only here to make its share holders profits. There is no profit in a cure. Think about this, why, other than antibiotics which are slowly becoming useless, are there NO MEDICINES over the counter or prescription that CURE ANYTHING? When a treatment is discovered that cures a dis-ease THEY ARE SUPPRESSED AND DESTROYED. The researchers are either bought off and given a non disclosure order or they remarkably die unexpectedly. Heres how it works: You are the CEO of a multi national Big Pharma conglomerate. You have two labs working on a treatment for some dis-ease that a huge portion of the world population is going to suffer from. Probably brought on by some time bomb vaccine they got earlier in life. One lab comes up with a pill that is patentable, costs fractions of a penny to make, can be sold for a high price. It will treat the symptoms of the dis-ease very effectively but the person has to take it for the rest of their life. Very possibly it will have a slight side effect or two but your company has another medication that can be sold to treat that, which probably will have another side effect(you know where I am going). The truth is Polio like all viruses follows a bell curve and was 90% That is totally untrue. The biggest polio epidemic in the US was in 1952, as the vaccine was being developed. 57,879 cases reported (and remember, only about 5% of polio cases are even symptomatic, let alone bad enough to require a doctors visit), 21,269 of those paralytic. If we consider 1% of cases paralytic (actual figure is 0.1% to 2%), this means there were about 2,000,000 cases that year. The year before the vaccine was introduced, 1954, there were 38,476 cases, of which 18,308 were paralytic. Again, using the 1% figure, that means about 1,800,000 cases. Well, it should be easy for you to show us a polio incidence chart with cases dropping before the vaccines then. Hint: Morbidity =/= mortality. THIS IS HOW THEY FIDDLED THE GREAT POLIO HOAX THEY GAVE IT A DIFFERENT NAME LIKE BILL GATES DID IN INDIA https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7778d7d8e5f410c956a248883288d4261c9891944e291cb6aaa3b0c103989cb4.jpg Ummm.how is this evidence of being fiddled? STOP TEASING EVEN YOU ARE NOT THAT STUPID WELL MAYBE .. They called polio AFP so the cases of polio would drop when it is actually the same disease That is an assertion. The truth is Polio like all viruses follows a bell curve and was 90% How does that accord with the other main antivaccine meme that: Polio hasnt gone away.. they just renamed the disease. One group of you antivaxers must be lying. POLIO WAS A MILD DISEASE LIKE A HEAVY COLD THEN VACCINATION CAME ALONG HERE IT IS IN A NUTSHELL BUT AFP IS AROUND AND IS WHAT WAS CALLED POLIO https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0eb423c80c81c95c26845e418d9d7167b22cc61ff2513bf1212bcf2a7193bcee.gif MIKEY BOY DO YOU SEE THE SPIKE IN SMALLPOX AFTER VACCINATION The polio epidemic was almost over when the vaccine came out so in order to Doesnt look like polio was over in 1952, Ron. ITS CERTAINLY SAFER THAN A VACCINE LOL Were talking about shoving something inside a kids butt. If someone does that with a vaccine, you can sue for malpractice. AMERICAN DIET BLOCKS YOUR COLON ENEMAS have been used by lots of Doctors over centuries and are 100,000 times more qualified than an idiot troll like you. An enema can remove this gunge if you have had your tea look on the internet at Plus the bacteria in the colon will be the toxic anaerobic type . Coffee enemas? I like this: When I was training, one in 2,500 [children were autistic]. Now it is https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aaaab6cde63d6f792782d77616ffb39e74143b0a8696534ec313b41c26dce236.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5b36ac48eae0cb7259c89d9827ecb68d1e5eaf59f7c4ac2394e77a7b296d2cee.jpg Trolling with random internet graphs = Not Science. Again, read the sources. Again, Im still not convinced. Keep trying! Obviously. Trash Science / vaccine marketing spam LOOK EVERYONE! ANOTHER GRAPH!! Yep, too many graphs sure make me change my mind I flagged him he is taking over the site with vaccine propaganda and fake research. Good this IS the BIG LIE projected by this Obvious TROLL from the pHARMaceutical corporate Dept of Deliberate Obfuscation/ Psychological-Operation Mill is more than likely Hasbara-affiliated with all the slick as sh*t colored balloons over the top pretty graphs the same way they blatantly collude to Lie to us about Climate Change etc this is strictly mercenary $$$ smears- to counter the the Truth about whats really in the vaccines -akin to Hitlers BIG LIE crumbling into ignominy with documentaries like VAXXED (as an example) a plethora of independent scientific genuine sources of impeccable integrity, are exponentially alerting the collective consciousness of the world bodythat something is not what it appears! theyre obviously getting desperate hitting us with a deluge of disingenuous specious propaganda sophistry, that is actually insidiously connived contrived Hegelian sorcery sourced from psychopathically ambivalent soulless reptiles with icy cold cold heavy metal heartsthat absolutely know about the pain suffering that is being deliberately inflicted upon the unsuspecting goi/chattel .with a collusive prosecution of a deliberate demo/genocide. malice of forethought depraved indifference racketeering assault administering of noxious substances definitely conspiracy .just for startersall of it a despicable Crime Against Humanity.may these soulless orc satanic minions be rounded up put on trail Live- Streamed on the internet for the whole world to see the maniacal socio/psychopath torturers of our innocent children. Its such easy money for the MEDMAFIA . A lot of these reptiles were probably old mafia who went into infant injecting for bigger profits and no jail time with their illgotten gains from street drugs , booze and prostitution Agreed, and dumb dumb is a very young female who has publicly admitted to being jenny higgs from the uk! She maybe skates as well I cant reason you out of a position you didnt reason yourself into nor am I fool enough to try. THIS IS OLD NEWS BUT EVEN WORSE NOW WITH AN EVEN HIGHER VACCINATION RATE. NBC NEWS :- The U.S. infant mortality rate has stalled, the latest government report finds, giving Americans one of the worst rates in the developed world. Just under six out of every 1,000 babies died at birth or in the first year of life in the U.S. in 2013, triple the rate of Japan or Norway and double the rate of Ireland, Israel or Italy, the latest report from the National Center for Health Statistics finds. The rate is barely changed from 2012, although its down 13 percent from 2005. The highest rates were in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana; the lowest infant mortality rates were in Iowa, Vermont and Massachusetts, the NCHS, part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found. The number of infant deaths was 23,446 in 2013, a decline of 208 infant deaths from 2012, the CDC team wrote in the report. Paid for results. Have you read Gadad et al yet? Im not sure what your point is. Correlation does not equal causation. There are charts that show how consumption of organic food has risen at the same level as autism. Yet a lot of these autism advocates here recommend all sorts of organic foods. DUMB DUMB , FallsAngel THE WHOLE RESEARCH MODEL IS LOOKING FOR CORRELATION TO EQUAL CAUSATION and we know out of 36 countries AMERICA has the highest INFANT death rate and the highest vaccination rate. Neither is true and has been demonstrated many times over. Show your demonstrations. You provide NO evidence from a non-biased study. Im sure big pharma could show us one- Im sure they could.~ Search my posts. Im truly fed up with reposting and reposting and reposting again for people who dont even read the links. Have you read Gadad et al yet? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dcea505286f9301d01ef4af787ee134ffef2d47496746650e38e7ab3685f3fc6.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a6ff64a557628bde93e329b94bce27f5356c21e363a6b0e7130d15bdb9c4e4a2.jpg Heh. Falls Angel, you either benefit from the vaccination industry in some way, you naively believe in injecting your children with tons of chemicals and vaccines that come from China, or you have been vaccinated and you suffer from some of the brain deficiencies that weve talked about. You cannot truly believe that giving a newborn baby a ton of vaccines in the first year of life is in any way a good thing. Speaking as the survivor of several once-common VPDs, Id like to point out that we all benefit from the vaccination industry in a big way. When was the last time you heard of someone catching smallpox, polio or measles? Btw, no vaccine used in the US currently, is manufactured in China. ActHIB (Hib) Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France PedvaxHIB (Hib) Merck Co., Inc., in West Point, Pennsylvania Are Vaccines Made In China? by Dr Vincent Iannelli, MD. NO ONE BENEFITS FROM VACCINES POLIO , SMALLPOX WENT UP AFTER VACCINES BUT WERE FALLING BEFORE VACCINES PLUS NO ONE DIED FROM MEASLES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS BUT OVER 100 DEATHS FROM THE MEASLES VACCINE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. BETTER AND SAFER JUST TO GET MEASLES FOR LIFELONG IMMUNITY TO THIS MILD ILLNESS WHEREAS THE MEASLES KEEPS COMING BACK IF YOU ARE VACCINATED. PUMPING 100 TYPES OF TOXIC CHEMICALS INTO YOUR BLOODSTREAM IS DRAWN OUT SUICIDE ITS LIKE HAVING YOUR COMPUTER ANTI VIRUS SOFTWARE CANCELLED AND LEAVING YOUR COMPUTER RUNNING. THE SCRAPS OF DNA IN THAT TUBE OF TOXINS WILL POISON YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM. Misinformation typed in all caps is still misinformation. GET VACCINATED AND GET DIABETES 13 MILLION WOW VACTRUTH :- He says: There are many reports in the literature of Type-I diabetes emerging after mumps vaccination. In 1997, Sinaiotis and colleagues reported the onset of Type-I diabetes one month after receipt of mumps vaccine in a 6.5 year old boy. In 1991, Pawlowski and Gries described an 11-year old body who had mumps disease at age 16 months and then received measles-mumps vaccine 5 months prior to the emergence of Type-I diabetes; he had severe abdominal pain and fever one week after vaccination. In 1984, Otten and colleagues reported three cases of Type-I diabetes with onset in one case 10 days and, in other cases, 3 weeks after mumps vaccination in children 3,2 and 16 years of age. In 1986, Helmke and colleagues reported seven children who developed Type-I diabetes in the second to fourth week following mumps or measles-mumps vaccination. In 1979, Quast and colleagues noted that in the first two years after mumps and measles-mumps vaccines were introduced into Germany, two cases of Type-I diabetes following immunization with measles-mumps and mumps vaccines respectively were reported to the manufacturer. I find no PubMed studies authored by Harris Coulter. In what discipline is his PhD? And if you could provide the PubMed numbers for the other studies youve cited, I would like to read them. THE USA VACCINE HOLOCAUST :- The United States requires infants to receive 26 vaccines (the most in the world) yet more than 6 U.S. infants die per every 1,000 live births. In contrast, Sweden and Japan administer 12 vaccines to infants, the least amount, and report less than 3 deaths per 1,000 live births. The study also found evidence that some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may actually be vaccine-related. According to a recent press release: The current study by Miller and Goldman, Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity? found a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths? Other study findings: The United States spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country; yet 33 nations have better infant mortality rates. Some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may be due to over-vaccination. Progress on reducing infant deaths should include monitoring immunization schedules and official causes of death (to determine if vaccine-related infant deaths are being reclassified). Infant mortality rates will remain high in developing nations that cannot provide clean water, proper nutrition, improved sanitation, and better access to health care. At times it is later revealed that vaccines are not even effective. For instance, pneumonia vaccinations for people over 65 are soon to be halted by the UK government, on the grounds that the injections do not save lives. Millions of people were injected with the vaccine, which was supposed to offer ten-year protection against an infection that causes pneumonia. But independent expert government advisors say the program has had no discernible impact on rates of pneumococcal disease. According to the Daily Mail: [T]he protection provided by the vaccine is poor and not long-lasting in older people. So you found no PubMed studies, either. So, if PubMed says it, it is so? What is this? The religion of big pharma? Some commenters are singularly unable to grasp the idea that science is a matter of evidence, not belief. You are singularly unable to grasp that science is run by humans with agendas and beliefs. Evidence sometimes takes generations to make it through the BS. Which is why science is self-correcting. Still no evidence after about 20k studies from all over the world that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent. There is a chicken pox vaccineyou cannot speak about all vaccines as being equal. Whatever, shoot yourself up with stuff without asking questions because the man in the labcoat said to. I did not speak of all vaccines being equal. Nor did I deny the existence of a chickenpox vaccine. Well, your statement about vaccines is a little bit misleading to my eyes. Also, I did not accuse you of not knowing about the chicken vaccine, I accused you of being the perfect contestant for the Milgram experiment. Why is it misleading? Its like we dont speak the same language Still no evidence that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent. I just gave you evidence then apparently. Also, I do recall a certain flu shot that killed all sorts of people when the flu itselfnot so much. Like I said, a little bit misleading. I just gave you evidence then apparently. Also, I do recall a certain flu shot that killed all sorts of people when the flu itselfnot so much. What evidence is that? Like I said, a little bit misleading. Yes, twice youve said that. How is it misleading? Chicken pox, genius. There is the view in discussion button, try using it every once in awhile Im looking at your last four replies.Chicken pox vaccine is evidence of what? Go learn something and stop bothering me. Are you a child or something? Or has everyone lost all sense of reason? You posted chicken pox vaccine. Incomplete sentence. Of what is that evidence? IS CHICKEN POX DANGEROUS, DOLT?! Yes. Complications include bacterial infections, pneumonia, encephalitis, toxic shock syndrome, osteomyelitis, and pyogenic arthritis. Prior to introduction of the vaccine, each year about 4 million people became sick, 10,500 were hospitalized, and between 100-150 died. Severe complications of varicella in previously healthy children in Germany; a 1-year survey, Ziebold, von Kries, Lang, Weigle and Schmitt, Pediatrics Nov 2001. Chickenpox; symptoms and causes; complications, Mayo Clinic Staff, www dot mayoclinic dot org dash conditions slash chickenpox slash symptoms dah causes slash dxc dash 20191277. Edited to add as someone who had chickenpox, I can attest to the fact that they are very painful, as well. *rolls eyes* Ah yes, another proponent for the nanny state. Why dont you get a cold vaccine and a stubbed toe vaccine while you are at it? Does an explanation of the dangers of the chickenpox lead to a nanny state? *pats you on the head* Uncle Sam will take real good care of you, kid. Dont mind the syphilis, it is just a research experiment Chicken pox. You dont know much about the world, do ya? http://wwwDOTnbcnewsDOTcom/id/39456324/ns/health-sexual_health/t/us-apologizes-guatemala-std-experiments/ I know when someone has decided to change the subject. We were discussing the dangers of chickenpox. No, youve already decided that you are so weak that you cannot handle chicken pox. So, Ive told you to trust in Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam wont hurt you, dont worry what is in this injection, it will help you, Sam promises, like he always does. You asked if chickenpox was dangerous. It is. Ive already had the chickenpox, so the question of weakness doesnt enter into it. Why do you believe chickenpox is not dangerous? Go cry to Uncle Sam, weakling. Trying to push chicken pox vaccineswhat a laugh and a half. Pathetic. Why do you believe chicken pox is not dangerous? ME AND MY FAMILY HAVE HAD IT HARDLY NOTICED IT NO VACCINATIONS. Im sorry that your children have shingles to look forward to. Ive had them 2x. SHINGLES COMES FROM VACCINATION AND VACCINATION SHEDDING. But the vaccine may be LESS effective than thataround 40 percentaccording to an investigation of a chickenpox outbreak among 23 children at a New Hampshire daycare center. The outbreak began with a child who had already been vaccinated. And a Washington Post article reported that, in another outbreak, 75 percent of the children who came down with chickenpox had previously been vaccinated for it! It is also interesting to note that most 10 year-old children with no known history of chickenpox are actually immune. A study in Quebec, Canada, involving 2,000 fourth graders was done to determine the proportion of children who would need to be vaccinated in a catch-up program. Of the youngsters with negative or unknown chickenpox histories, 63 percent had antibodies against the virus, presumably from having had such a mild case that they didnt even realize they had it. This isnt terribly surprising given that healthy children occasionally have minimal symptoms (such as a low fever and headache), without manifestation of blisters, indistinguishable from a mild case of the flu. Bottom line is, the vast majority of children who do NOT get the chickenpox vaccine wind up immune to chickenpox anyway. Still not research. YES IT WAS ALL RESEARCH . WHALE :- For serious adverse events for which background incidence data are known, VAERS reporting rates are lower than the rates expected after natural varicella or the background rates of disease in the community (CDC, unpublished data, 1998). In some cases, wild-type VZV or other causal organisms have been identified. However, in most cases, data are insufficient to determine a causal association. Of the 14 deaths reported to VAERS, eight had definite other explanations for death, three had other plausible explanations for death, and three had insufficient information to determine causality. One death from natural varicella occurred in a child aged 9 years who died from complications of wild-type VZV 20 months after vaccination. No, its an op ed piece written by a former osteopath turned highly successful snake oil peddler. It doesnt even appear in the heirarchy of evidence. Did you bother to read the piece you copy/pasted? Of the 14 deaths reported to VAERS, eight had definite other explanations for death, three had other plausible explanations for death, and three had insufficient information to determine causality. OF COURSE THEY WOULD DO YOU THINK VAERS OR THE CDC WOULD ADMIT IT WAS CAUSED BY VAXXING Dont understand VAERS, do you? ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS BUT SHAY KNOWS BETTER WITH HIS TROLL LEVEL 1 BOOKLET LOL Measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, and the whole panoply of childhood diseases are a far less serious threat than having a large fraction (say 10%) of a generation afflicted with learning disability and/or uncontrollable aggressive behavior because of an impassioned crusade for universal vaccination Public policy regarding vaccines is fundamentally flawed. It is permeated by conflicts of interest. It is based on poor scientific methodology (including studies that are too small, too short, and too limited in populations represented), which is, moreover, insulated from independent criticism. The evidence is far too poor to warrant overriding the independent judgments of patients, parents, and attending physicians, even if this were ethically or legally acceptable. Association of American Physicians Surgeons What does the very first page of VAERs say because the answers right there? As for the CDC.what about other countries in the world. WE ALL KNOW VAERS HARDLY WORKS DUE TO MASSIVE UNDEREPORING PROBABLY BY FACTORS OF 10 100 ALL ALONG THE LINE AND VAERS IS CORRUPT AS THE CDC MEDICINE KILLS MILLIONS .COM :- There has never been a single vaccine in this country that has ever been submitted to a controlled scientific study. They never took a group of 100 people who were candidates for a vaccine, gave 50 of them a vaccine and left the other 50 alone, and measured the outcome. And since that has never been done, that means that if you want to be kind, you will call vaccines an unproven remedy. If you want to be accurate, youll call the people who give vaccines quacks. Prof. Robert Mendelsohn, M.D., 1986, Head of the Liscensing Board for the State of Illinois, paediatrician gynaecologist for 30 years, medical columnist best-selling author, recipient of numerous awards for excellence in medicine. (p.50) The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond any reasonable doubt, that artificial immunisation is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given Richard Moskowitz, M.D. 1983. (p.47) Diseases decline without vaccination. It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we vanquished smallpox with vaccines when only 10% of the population were ever vaccinated. Dr. Glen Dettman, AMM, BA, PhD, Archie Kalokerinos, MD, 1986. (p. 36) In the late 1960s and 1970s, Dr. Kalokerinos and Dr. Dettman discovered that some 500 out of every 1,000 Aboriginal children were dying in the Northern Territories. The cause was a type of toxic shock reaction, complicated by vitamin C deficiency, often brought on by immunisation. In a two-year period without vaccination and with improved nutrition not one child died. (p.43). I repeat my questions: What does the very first page of VAERs say? DUMB DUMB I COULD NOT GIVE A !!!!!!! WHAT IT SAYS I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO LOOK . MORE MURDERS AND ILLNESS FROM VACCINES :- The following real-world estimates are based on reports from a law firm: 840 young girls and 2 boys have died after receiving the Gardasil HPV Vaccine 201,010 young girls have suffered debilitating events such as fatigue, seizures, paralysis, etc. after receiving the Gardasil HPV Vaccine. The California law even approves in advance, ALL yet-to-be made (and completely untested) vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases, though of the two current Merck vaccines they are pushing on children, one Merck vaccine caused AIDS and causes Lupus and the other Merck vaccine is contaminated in multiple ways and proving highly lethal. Children will be the ones decide whether to take the vaccines, and they will make that decision after being forced to see videos of people dying terrible deaths from cancer. Not only would the vaccine be given without parental consent, but parents are denied knowledge that the vaccine is going to be given or that it was given. If the child has a seizure or dies afterward, parents may not see their own childrens medical records. This is what is left of the informed consent meant to provide human rights to protect the world from pharmaceutical industry abuses against mankind. After World War II, it was Merck which received the flight capital of the pharmaceutical industry indicted for crimes against humanity, human enslavement and mass murder. Citation truly desperately needed for all of that above rant. In some cases, wild-type VZV or other causal organisms have been identified. Do you know what that means? They had community acquired chickenpox, not vaccine-induced disease. WHAT A CONVENIENT COINCIDENCE HEY GUYS IVE FOUND A WILD ONE WHALE FRIGHTENS TROLLS THEY HIDE UNDER THE BED Varicella vaccine substantially decreases the risk of herpes zoster among vaccinated children and its widespread use will likely reduce overall herpes zoster burden in the United States. The increase in herpes zoster incidence among 10- to 19-year-olds could not be confidently explained and needs to be confirmed from other data sources. (HERE) While the authors are quick to claim causal benefit from the vaccination the negative effects can only be explained by them as aberrant. Yet such effects were also reported by a UK Health Protection Agency last year. Its press release stated: If a chickenpox vaccine were to be added to the childhood immunisation programme concerns have been raised that there would be an increase of shingles cases in adults as a result. This is because people who have had chickenpox are less likely to have shingles later in life if they have been exposed occasionally to the chickenpox virus (for example through their children) as this exposure acts as a booster The modelling suggested that a two dose schedule at the levels of coverage likely to be achieved in the UK would lead to an increase of at least 20% of shingles in the medium term (approximately 15-20 years). This increase could be partially, but not completely, offset by introduction of a vaccination against shingles among those aged 60+. Albert Jan van Hoek, who performed the research for the Health Protection Agency, said; Our models suggest that vaccination would reduce the burden of chickenpox in the young. However, it will lead to an increase in shingles in the medium term in adults because they will not get that boosting effect from being in contact with cases of chickenpox. In fact, these effects have long been known about as a press release from Medical Veritas points out: Interestingly, the published shingles (herpes zoster) incidence rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated children, as well as adolescents reported by VASP/CDC authors in this current study nicely agree with prior research findings by Goldman who served as Research Analyst for the Varicella Active Surveillance Project (VASP) in 2002 and published the incidence rates in 2005 (Universal Varicella Vaccination: Efficacy Trends and Effect on Herpes Zoster. Goldman GS. International Journal of Toxicology 2005 Jul/Aug; 24(4):203-213). Bottom line is, the vast majority of children who do NOT get the chickenpox vaccine wind up immune to chickenpox anyway. But, about half the deaths from chickenpox pre-vaccine were in adults. Maybe my link will show up at some point. Do you know who Tooze is? Adam Tooze, the historian? Anecdotal why did you not get a vaccine lol Because I came down with the chickenpox thirty years before the vaccine became available. YOU SHOULD COUNT YOURSELF LUCKY YOU DID NOT NEED TO POISON YOURSELF WITH A VACCINE . WHALE :- A newly published study from the US Centers for Disease Control is further formal confirmation chickenpox vaccine damages natural immunity and causes the more serious highly painful potentially fatal condition of shingles: The incidence and clinical characteristics of herpes zoster among children and adolescents after implementation of varicella vaccination. It is long and well known in numerous studies that shingles cases and deaths in adults and the elderly will increase as natural immunity wanes as a result of the chickenpox vaccine. It is however perplexing that the US CDC study authors declare themselves mystified by the increase in teenage shingles cases shown by their study. Shingles is a serious painful condition in adults which causes death in some cases. Chickenpox is normally a mild disease in children which most children used to contract and gain natural immunity from. Natural childhood diseases are known to prime childrens immune systems for future disease immunity. The expansion of vaccination programmes worldwide across all ages is not health but marketing driven as the drug industry targets universal worldwide multiple vaccines for all for life as a new lucrative business model:- Pharma 2020: The vision PriceWaterhouse Coopers, New Report Forecasts More Than Doubling of Vaccine Sales by 2013 Reuters 11 June 2009, Kids vaccine market set to quadruple By Anna Lewcock, Drug Researcher 20-Nov-2007. Whale to is a conspiracy site run by an anti-Semitic pig farmer who believes in sentient dolphins and the Protocols of Zion. I notice that no study title or authors are provided. Why is that? I have trouble deciding whether globalresearch or whale is worse Sentient dolphins is a new one, to me anyway. I think each is awful but in slightly different ways. Cant find the dolphins so it was probably another site. I stand corrected. On the other hand, Scudamore thinks the Indonesian tsunami was actually a nuke. Do you think you get chickenpox by having s*x in guatemala? Not surprised you cannot put 2 and 2 together. ITS NOT DANGEROUS EXCEPT TO THOSE WHO ARE IMMUNE COMPROMISED You didnt read the German study. I immediately thought of a B.S. vaccine MEASLES VACCINATION DEATHS IN THE UK TELEGRAPH :- The controversial jab has been beset by fears of a link to autism and bowel disease, although since its introduction in 1998, yearly deaths from measles have fallen from 16 to zero, while the jab against meningitis C is thought to save 50 lives a year. Almost 800 other reports of suspected complications of childhood vaccination including convulsions and hyptonia, in which the baby becomes floppy like a rag doll were also made, including 160 for MMR. Medics raised the alarm under the MHRA yellow card warning system, set up to monitor suspected adverse drug reactions. Although making such a report does not prove that vaccination caused death or injury, it means that doctors fear it may have played a part. This means that by the time a child is two he will have had 25 vaccinations, although some will be given in five-in-one or three-in-one combinations. Dr John Griffin, the former editor of the medical journal Adverse Drug Reactions, said: For fatalities, it is probably only one in two which gets reported and for other side effects one in 10. This is a newspaper article. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09b4855707d5596f2e6db462531aa2688f12ddae65c3f7c0cf7d45c3a133e0db.jpg My kids had chicken pox at the same time and should no signs of anything but a few blisters. They ran around playing and smiling. This Hasbra 4 Hire psychopath is criminally mentally ill (imo).along with his cadre of contractually obligated trolls that follow him around like dogs To the 100 kids in the us who died each year prevaccine, yes, chickenpox was dangerous. ANY KID WHO DIED OF THE MILD DISEASE OF CHICKENPOX MUST HAVE BEEN WEAK AND THEREFORE SHOULD NEVER BE VACCINATED YOU JUST MAKE UP YOUR HUNDRED. Ok, how about any child who got ill from a vaccine must have been weak and so its their fault THOSE WITH WEAK IMMUNE SYSTEMS SHOULD NOT GET VACCINATED Dont know what you are gibbering about Yea, actually, the vaccine is a larger risk. One is the natural way that people have been dealing with it for thousands of years and the unnatural way is to inject unknown government-approved materials into yourself. By seeing the evidence, I didnt mean reading you saying Yes, the [chickenpox] vaccine is a larger risk [than the disease]. I meant EVIDENCE, as in published scientific evidence, and not your own, ignorant opinion. Can we see some please? Evidence? Who cares about numbers that can be doctored up. A statistic doesnt matter if you are the one unlucky enough to die or be seriously injured. Injecting unknown chemicals into your body because a labcoat tells you to is the epitome of stupidity. So, you have no evidence and are just making wild unsupported claims. You know that last year over 100,000 kids died in the US from measles? See what I did there? YOU ARE A FANTASIST OR BELOW 10 YEARS OLD IN THE LAST TEN YEARS NO ONE DIED FROM WILD MEASLES 108 DIED FROM MEASLES VACCINATION 100,000 ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL HA HA HA HA Yea, you just lied, like you have been the entire time. BIG PHARMA DONT DO STUDIES LIKE THAT THEY KNOW THAT VACCINATION WOULD LOSE EVERY TIME. You dont have to do a comparable study to show varicella vaccine kills more than 124 kids each year You could just provide verifiable data. 5 contractually obligated mercenary diseased trolls .sooooo obvious Well said outstanding juxtaposition LIAR How about this point; there are three major systems of the body that fights infection. There are eighteen subsections, only one of which is activated by vaccines. Please name all of the diseases you get from punctures. Ill give you two: rabies and tetanus. In case you missed the announcement, 70% of your immune system is in your bowels, not your circulatory system. Basic chemistry? Try basic biology instead. Lol I took that too, bub! Great come back. Very detailed and well thought out. Sort of like a brain fart. Sad but true. And they keep adding more. Not only has autism risen, but childhood cancers, juvenile onset diabetes (an autoimmune disease), eczema, asthma, etc. When I was a child, even during the time of polio, most hospitals only had a couple floors dedicated to pediatrics and it was usually things like broken bones. Today we have whole hospitals dedicated to sick and dying children. Doesnt that upset anyone enough to find out why. But then, studies that show the correlation between vaccines and chronic illness in our children surely would be suppressed by the FDA and CDC. We dont have a healthcare system. We have an illness care system and many people make lots of money from it and want to keep it so. Its all about money for Big Pharma and kick-backs for those pushing the vaccines. Nailed it!sad but true ..cheers in spite of it all Nope. Sad. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png Oh those? They are crap Can you explain why green countries support vaccines? I can. That only shows the extent of the power the MEDICAL MAFIA has over the ruling elite. Oh and you of course. Thats a bare assertion, Ron. Any actual evidence? From WHALE / VACCINE: The House of Commons Health Committee is currently While much of the revolving door vested interest between The involvement of pharmaceutical companies with Thats a site, Ron. I asked for a cite. What you NEED is some inSIGHT, padawan! The UK MEDICAL MOB that went after Dr WAKEFIELD had their snouts in the trough their financial interests should be read out and printed before they are allowed to lie under oath . Here are their financial interests, nworder: To find autism if it vaccines cause it, not hide it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg The easiest way to legally do it would be to have financial interests read out and printed as *part* of the oath/affirmation. I trust you have no objections about Wakefields financial interests being read out before he gives his testimony? As for before theyre allowed to lie under oath, that isnt allowed ever. Its called perjury. THESE COUNTRIES HAVE LOWER INFANT DEATH RATES THAN AMERICA DUE TO AMERICAS HIGHEST VACCINATION RATE THE ATLANTIC :- IN a global context, the current goal still represents a woefully low bar, with the U.S. lagging far behind other wealthy nations in terms of infant mortality. According to a report published last week by the Centers for Disease Control, out of the 34 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation (24 European nations, plus Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, Korea, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, the United States, and Turkey), the U.S. ranks 27. Worldwide, Were number 56, sandwiched between Serbia and Poland; Monaco, which has the lowest infant-mortality rate at 1.8 deaths per 1,000, is doing more than three times better. NUMBER 56 AFTER SPENDING 3 TIMES MORE ON HEALTH than european countries . THAT SURE IS SOME FEAT FOR AMERICA LOL Also, a bare assertion, Ron. Evidence. a bare assertion? You wouldnt admit the culpability of your employers no matter how much proof is presented. More spam Why dont they just BAN her spammy A$S! Yes we should all flag her from now on . All of these nations have been usurped with Rockefeller medical education. Evidence please. You would ask for evidence the earth rotates around the sun. LOL You can find easily it yourself. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03ead76900f1c9d792d52e6321d87a1f3f13bbb5bf3005929d96652787f35f1a.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03ead76900f1c9d792d52e6321d87a1f3f13bbb5bf3005929d96652787f35f1a.jpg Problem is you dont come to discuss and learn, you come with a hammer of bogus information in the form of cut paste graphics and pretend thats a conversation. Your Mercury vs. Austim graphic is DYSLOGIA Exhibit A, utter propaganda. Specious and deeply flawed comparisons dont engender sharing and teaching moments, they are blunt hammers. Actually, I do. Thats why I ask questions like What about other countries? As for mercury *poisoning* vs autism which is the graphic, I think a labelled picture of the differences is quite helpful. So do most textbook manufacturers hence why you get things* like Fig. 1.* and *diagrams* in textbooks. I already explained the graphic describes two ENTIRELY different mechanisms. You believe the graphic is a helpful guide for understanding the basis of cytokine storms and gut dysbiosis as clues to the pathology of autism? You apparently dont have even the remotest handle on medical science and are wittingly or unwittingly parroting nonlinear disinformation. Nope. I dont think it addresses that at all. I think the graphic addresses mercury poisoning vs autism. As for the mechanism, you have to prove that there is a higher rate of autism in vaccinated kids before you bother about the pathway. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/979a7591fcb9d270e9da429faad9e056962f7a4c458cd8a346b0384bb30b2c13.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29caa8b67460692ece417e17b1c050466879eb42ebcff7f3720d50b0722c9212.jpg By the way, have you read Gadad et al yet? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.png You are a facilitator of of poisonsthe same poisons that paralyzed approx.50,000 little Indian girls compliments of the polio vaccine eugenicist vampires Bill Cruella de Ville facilitated along with the tsunami of preventable Autism infesting our children with thousands of new diagnosiss every day you probably sleep like a baby at night because you have zip zero zilch empathy for the thousands of children that have been irreversibly deleteriously affected for the worse by the pHARMaceutical Black Widow adjuvant poisons, that youre touting as the ultimate panacea of mankind[sic]just like Rockefellers daddy, the original snake oil salesmanyoure truly an unconscionable predator with a reptilian consciousness that is knowingly hiding behind this concocted BIG LIE you will reap what you sowKarma is going to bite you where the sun dont shineyou belong to a kaistocratic ponerology . a pathocratic empire of $$$ worshipers that have turned your back on humanity socio/psychopaths that concoct their own agendas that you have become a dutiful servant proxy toShame on you! may it take as many lifetimes as it takes to atone to each every human being that you have adversely affected for the worse.this albatross will be around your neck the other satanic minions that serve these vile shadow master 0.01% forever. Bravo, Eddy! just like Rockefellers daddy, the original snake oil salesman Few know this is the absolute truth, no exaggeration, he was chased out of towns for selling fake cancer cures. Also a bigamist. We live in truly insane world! Ill post a couple resources for the thread. I think the first piece from Corbett Report covers the snake oil story, if memory serves. The second piece is also very good for a general history of the family although I think it only cover John D. forward. Truly fed up people Rockefeller Medicine Corbett Rockefeller History EJE Thanks, Hanz, good resources. You are being disingenuous or obtuse. The latter is now proven in that you unable to perceive the distinctions. Graphics can be helpful. In your case you use them as a substitute for productive discussions, attempting to ram information down throats. But go ahead, post another graphic! LOL Thank your handlers for me for another tip off. I never let a good logic blunder go to waste. HahahaI dont either, but I know my place here, Lol ! How did we get to Dumb Dumb? Is this Nom Dumbs sibling? Elsewhere I couldnt resist referring to him as Numb Dumb. Always the irony to stay sane and laughing at the weirdness. I got tired of trying to explain the distinction after the first Memory Hole disappearance (ya, TPTBs attrition strategy!). His graphic was attempting to make the case autism couldnt possibly be caused by mercury in vaccines because the symptoms of *non injected* mercury poisoning (i.e. ingested, either acute = death, or chronic in the case of the figure) dont match the symptoms and profile of autism. Its a red herring because chronic low exposure is a very different type of cytotoxicity (different mechanisms, different targets) compared to vaccinations which involve mega stimulation of the immune system (the primary danger). Thats key, cytokines released by the immune system are far more damaging than the trace amount of metals, the numerous effects are synergistic. Ok, I just looked I there is only one Dumb Dumb. And yes, images, emoticons, graphics epitomize the type of low cognitive load propaganda that sucks up the peoples brain and their thinking capabilities. I am very, very careful with images (the shadows in the cave) and so called scientific studies. I dont believe any of the work unless I read the actual study or journal article AND can comprehend the material. If and when I am able to understand, in most journal articles,I usually find problems and extant errors from other research. The point is: images and graphics are the least credible form of science for the general population because the require belief a priori, just like bad religion. If that made any sense to ya Exactly. I concur. The reason TPTB use images to generate strong emotions.e.g. faux alt using nonstop images of fighter jets, warships, and mushrooms clouds to seed the WW3 meme for fear based manipulation overrides logical consideration, creates a stronger impulsive memory pattern. Speaking of which Goldmund Sux Breitbart Charlatan Steve Bannon appointed Chief Strategist for Trumples. Silver lining is he isnt a pscyho-triatrist like Steve Pieczenik. Can you imagine the level of mind jobs in the queue to be unleashed on us? But Trump cant be controlledhes taking the fight direct to the NWO, right? pscyho-triatrist like Steve Pieczenik and his will be working behind the scenes unhampered, that much already seems to be the case. Apologies for the delayed reply, Hanz, I didnt see your response on my notifications. I assume you know the odds are Trump is not anti-NWO, only a cover. Didnt you post a list of Trumps Zio connections? Come on, joking joking joking. I aint no foooo here. ;-D You had me scratching my head there, Grasshopper. LOL! I was looking for the sha-bang humor cue Thought as much, ya never know! sha-bang humor cue I hate those because I have a very dry sense of humor in person and those things disrupt that effect. You will have to start using that third eye. Out of practice, Hanz, but Ill try. Im a dry girl myself, Far Side, Carlin, Dilbert, Stephen Wright, Lewis Black Youre right though, like that secret mission I sent you on the other day Le Femme Nerd-ita nobody suspected a thing; mild mannered blonde science chic transforming into a black leather clad elite infowarrior operative. Lol, I like. Here ya go, Hanz, an apt tonic I read a minute ago: If the matrix gives you Trumpocalypse, then use secret alchemical means to create matrix-shifting Trumpocalyptic lemonade. -Rob Brezsny I like Hans you need to give me an up-vote to get me back to the top again if Im back do it anywayout of 500++not bad (lol)Im waaaay dwn down the page again with 25 up votes Lol! Thats actually quite an achievement because wrote something intelligent and made it to the top. Generally speaking, I notice the dumber the comment and the lower the cognitive load the more up votes I get. But youre doing real guru stuff and getting up voted, you should start a cult of personality! Oh yeah, I am already in the 25. Gottaluv the way you swagger in take up the most conspicuous space announcing to the world that youre a hopelessly entrained Hive Mind Hypnozomb with an alpha-waved Borg ring through your nose wired to a chip deep into your pre-frontal cortex. Sigh. Please can you explain how any of that affects the factual content of my claims? Thimersoal is no more mercury than salt is sodium. How dumb can you get Thimersoal IS mercury, around 50% mercury in a salt salt contains sodium and chloride so it IS sodium and chlorine . Surely you pretend to be this dumb. Combined many chemicals can become more poisonous especially if they combine with biologically active molecules. No, thimersoal is not mercury. The fact that a compound contains an element doesnt make it one. No, Salt containing Sodium and Chlorine doesnt make it a mixture of the two. Sodium = Metal that explodes on contact in water Hydrogen goes BOOM. Wittengenstein ladder. Combined many chemicals can become more poisonous. Considering that were talking about the difference between elements and compounds right now, irrelevant to the point. WE ALL KNEW ALREADY WHAT YOUR SAYING SINCE OUR CHILDHOOD CHEMISTRY. You get mercury in thimersal and it IS incredibly toxic more toxic than mercury on its own . Thimersal is more toxic than mercury alone but injected into the blood will be even more toxic than when ingested . I get my sodium from salt sodium chloride LOL Your logic is so idiotic you should be kept indoors in case you do damage . WE ALL KNEW ALREADY WHAT YOUR SAYING SINCE OUR CHILDHOOD CHEMISTRY. This means you are LYING you know this makes you look WORSE, not BETTER, right? Lead is toxic on its own but when used in motor fuel as the COMPOUND Thimersal is more toxic than mercury alone Citation needed. But injected into the blood From your childhood biology, you will be aware of the difference between muscle, skin and blood. Why do you need to lie about it? I get my sodium from salt sodium chloride LOL Yes. Which is my point. Table salt contains both sodium and chlorine. And yet it doesnt tend to explode or give off poisonous fumes. I wonder why. Its almost like compounds dont behave like elements. And dont bring up but compounds can be dangerous since thats not in dispute. Anything can be dangerous at the right dose the point is that you have to judge chemical compounds by their own properties and not by the elements that make them up. Your logic is so idiotic you should be kept indoors in case you do damage . Apart from the bit where I was using *your* logic to lead to a conclusion with consistent reasoning. I cant help it if the conclusion derived from that method is idiotic. THE ONLY LOGIC THAT DRIVES YOU IS COLLECTING YOUR TROLLING PAYCHECK for helping in the death or lifelong illhealth of babies and infants who cant fight back. Go and rub some DIMETHYL MERCURY on your butt https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6df0b23b2288545f97082e2fccd26a5badf138101afd08f310b05f6781b8a638.jpg You surely arent under the impression that methyl and ethyl are the same thing. METHYL AND ETHYL MERCURY ARE DIFFERENT YOU DUMBASS. YOU MADE UP YOUR POSTER natural measles is less harmful than the vaccine MEASLES IS NOW HAPPENING IN THE VACCINATED LOL WHY would you spend $30000 on someone who had measles lol lol lol B.S. You are a lying sicko lying all the time must get to you surely I love my job I dont need to lie . METHYL AND ETHYL MERCURY ARE DIFFERENT YOU DUMBASS. Evidence please. At what dosage are you referring to? You made up your poster. Nope. Thats why there are sources at the bottom. Please point to where anyone claimed that vaccines were perfect. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4bf5745fe4006f5e5bf1bdbea4c042bca918ef0e496a07a6673f095117c58b65.jpg WHY would you spend $30000 on someone who had measles lol lol lol B.S. Youre not spending 3000 on the people who have the measles, read the meme properly. Youre spending that much on controlling the outbreak. You are a lying sicko lying all the time must get to you surely I love my job I dont need to lie . Then you should be able to quote-and-link to where I have lied with info. SO WHY WOULD CONTROLLING THE OUTBREAK COST 30 TIMES MORE THAN THE VACCINE NO ONE DIED FROM WILD MEASLES IN THE LAST TEN YEARS BUT 108 DIED FROM MEASLES VACCINATION : VACCINE IMPACT :- So here are some easily verifiable facts regarding deaths associated with measles in the United States for the past 10 years, and deaths associated with measles vaccines during the same 10 year period. First, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) keeps a weekly tally of disease outbreaks, including deaths. According to a statement made by Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of CDCs National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, in an Associated Press story picked up by Fox News on April 25, 2014: There has been no measles deaths (sic) reported in the U.S. since 2003 [1] although oxygen is required for combustion, it in itself is not flammable. Try lighting up an oxy-acetylene torch without opening the acetylene valve. hI,I believe the three astronauts that died before launch in a fire that was caused by a spark and because the cabin was FULL of oxygen it caused an explosion and fire. Nice try and trying to defend the indefensible. How can you sleep at night? Ive told you how to disturb my sleep, Ron Roy. Besides, this is correcting, not defending. From the National Vaccine Information Center Depending on the vaccines administered, at six months of age, infants There is mercury in thimersoal. Its part of the compound Considering that I was not arguing that there was no mercury in thimersoal but rather that thimerosal isnt mercury, whats your point? Its part of the compound. Exactly. *Part* of something =/= the thing. You arent fool enough to fall for the composition/division fallacies, Ron. BUT YOU DUMB DUMB ARE FOOL ENOUGH TO FALL FOR THE COMPOSITION /DIVISION FALLACIES AND UPTICK YOURSELF THREE TIMES. HERES HOW POISONOUS IT IS TO MIX MERCURY INTO A COMPOUND In a tragic end to a story that began last summer, an internationally known research chemist at Dartmouth College, Karen Wetterhahn, died on Sunday of poisoning from a few drops of a potent neurotoxin (DIMETHYL MERCURY) she spilled on her lab glove 10 months ago. She was 48. Wetterhahn studied the effects of heavy metals on living organisms. The accident occurred last August when she was attempting to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance spectrum of dimethyl mercury, which is used as a reference material for other toxic compounds. She was taking what any of us would have considered prudent and reasonable precautions, says John Winn, head of the Dartmouth chemistry department. She used a hood to protect herself from fumes and was wearing a face shield and latex gloves when she spilled a drop or so of the colorless, highly volatile compound. It apparently passed through the glove almost instantly. I dont think any of us recognized that the compound was so penetrating, says Winn. . CONTD GOOGLE Compounds must be judged by their own properties and not those of other compounds or of their constituent elements. What do you think the composition/division fallacies are? Dimethyl mercury is, as the name, suggests closer to methylmercury than ethylmercury. I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO OBFUSCATE WITH THE OLD TROLL ONE THAT ONE IS LESS POISONOUS THAN THE OTHER AS IF THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO AN INFANTS BRAIN. ALL MERCURY IS DEADLY POISONOUS ON ITS OWN OR WITH A COMPOUND YOU ARE A DUMBO *drinks apple juice* There has been no thimerosal in childhood vaccines since 2001. NVIC is a fear-mongering organization. NO WONDER AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE THATS BOLLOCKS they can sneak MERCURY in using other named additives PLUS THE ALUMINIUM WHICH IS ALSO DEADLY and makes the mercury 1000 times more toxic synergistically . Fifth, with respect to the myths claim, by 2002 no new Sixth, compounding the harm, in April of 2002, the CDCs 2002 was 14 years ago now. Thimerosal-free flu shots are available and make up about 70% of the US market. The CDC hardly recommended that Thimerosal-preserved flu vaccine be given to pregnant women. The recommended flu VACCINE be given to pregnant women. What journal are you plagiarizing this quote of your from? Whale dot to, of course. There is mercury in thimerosal. Its part of the compound. Surely you dont believe that as a result the physical, toxicological and biochemical properties of thimerosal must be identical to those of elemental mercury, do you? YES BUT MUCH MUCH WORSE SINCE IT IS INJECTED AND MERCURY IS HALF (50%) BY WEIGHT IN THIMEROSAL YOUR DEVIOUS 23 ATOMS IS CRAP. TRACE AMOUNTS :- The Facts: The Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Thimerosal acknowledges that exposure to Thimerosal in utero and in children can cause mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe gross motor impairment. The Sigma Aldrich MSDS lists abortion and fetal death as possible outcomes of in utero exposure. Nonetheless, most seasonal and H1N1 flu shots for pregnant women and young children contain 25 micrograms of mercury in the form of Thimerosal. For this exposure to be safe, a child would need to weigh more than 550 pounds. Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child. Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal. However, the government not only allows but also defends its injection into the population, especially pregnant women and newborn children, as part of influenza vaccines currently recommended by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). YES BUT MUCH MUCH WORSE SINCE IT IS INJECTED AND MERCURY IS HALF (50%) BY WEIGHT IN THIMEROSAL YOUR DEVIOUS 23 ATOMS IS CRAP. Youre evidence that thimerosal, when injected, are toxic or otherwise harmful at exposure levels achievable by routine vaccination would be what exactly, nworder? I mean, you do actually have someright? And you do realize that characterizing the amount of mercury in thimerosal on the basis of per cent by weight is meaningless, dont you, as chemical interactions are not a function of an elements weight but properties such as atomic valence number, etc.? And no: the Eli Lilly MSDS does not indicate that thimerosal exposure in utero and in children can cause mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination impairment: it states instead (Direct quote from the MSDS, bold for emphasis Exposure to mercury in utero and in children may cause mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination impairment. Thimerosal is not mercury. Nonetheless, most seasonal and H1N1 flu shots for pregnant women and young children contain 25 micrograms of mercury in the form of Thimerosal. Thimerosal isnt a form of mercury: its an organomercurial salt. For this exposure to be safe, a child would need to weigh more than 550 pounds. Show your math: how have you calculated that a child would need to weigh 550 pounds to be able to safely metabolize 25 ug of thimerosal? Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child. At exposure levels achievable by routine childhood or seasonal flu vaccination? Citations neededyou do recall that the fundamental principle of toxicology is The dose makes the poison? Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal. Amusingly, you can get a pink antiseptic cream in the UK called Germoline (sp). The stuff is generally advertised as being for kids cuts and grazes etc. Guess whats in it, among other things? Water is mostly oxygen by weight I wouldnt advise trying to breathe it even so. I mean, you do actually have someright? ( old overused sound bite)If you would have read what nworder posted:The Facts: The Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Boyd Haley? Are your referencing the Body Haley who wrote; If, indeed, the complete removal of thimerosal from vaccines was not followed in an appropriate time by a decrease in autism then this would be solid proof that thimerosal was not causal for autism. Well, thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in the U.S. by 2002, and what happened to the rates of autism diagnoses, Ronald? Are you referencing the Boyd Haley (and his company) who had been marketing a chelating agent a powerful, highly toxic chemical that removes mercury from the bloodstream as a treatment for autism? You know.. for money? That depended on a link between thimerosal and autism to push their OSR#1? Is that the Boyd Haley you are referencing, Ronald? The same Boyd Haley who coined the phrase mad child disease for autistic children? Still batting 1000, Ronald.. on being wrong at each and every turn. Well done, you. (Sources: Forbes | Another Hero Of The Anti-Vaccine Movement Bites The Dust Thimerosal is still used i the production of vaccines and although the amount left in vaccine s is much lower than it was if you add in the thimerosal in the flu vaccines given to pregnant mothers and their babies the amount hasnt dropped substantially And something you didnt figure in was the aluminum. in vaccine increases the toxicity of the mercury still in vaccines. As far as Haley wanting to make money from a chelating agent so what. Youre MEDICAL MAFIA makes money destroying the immune systems of helpless babies every day. One of your principal GODS Paul Offit has made millions of the rotavirus vaccine And from Green Med Info: A study published in Journal of Virology revealed that his Geez, Ronald.. I am getting the impression that you simply regurgitate anything (and I mean anything) that crosses your path with nary a critical eye. Particularly if it is in line with your extreme confirmation bias and without actually reading it. From the study that you are propping up in your post/comment.. Despite an extensive record of safety and efficacy, common misconceptions remain regarding vaccine safety, resulting in reduced childhood vaccination and the resurgence of vaccine-preventable infections. Given that live-attenuated viral vaccines are safe, effective, and relatively inexpensive, their use against human and animal pathogens should be encouraged. The application of high-throughput sequencing and microarrays provides effective means to interrogate current and future vaccines for genetic variants of the attenuated viruses and the presence of adventitious viruses. The wide range of sequences detectable by these methods (endogenous retroviruses, bacterial and other nucleic acids whose taxonomic origin cannot be determined, and adventitious viruses, such as PCV1) is an expected outcome of closer scrutiny to the nucleic acids present in vaccines and not necessarily a reflection of unsafe products. Spoken like a true shill. WHALE / VACCINE folks go see the truth for yourself. One hour on WHALE / VACCINE and you will know more than your doctor about vaccines. Uh, Ronald.. I know you are in a bit of a tizzy now, however, that was from the study that you brought up in your post/comment. Sheesh.. youre terribad at this discussion stuff. Gag! Puke! Not the terribad shlt again! Learn some grammar, you witless parrot! Like your friend dumb dumb, you look more foolish with every parroted post you make, parrot Pro! Spoken like a true shill. Or in parrot Pros case, parrot parrot parrot parrot parrot parrot parrot bla yada pfft parrot parrot parrot! Not an ORIGINAL thought in that witless brain of his rr! One hour on WHALE / VACCINE and you will believe that you know more than your doctor about vaccines, but only if you are an arrogant idiot FTFY. DOCTORS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT VACCINES THEY ARE JUST THE SALESMEN FOR GANGSTA MEDICA Doctors dont even read the inserts . Does a car salesman know about how a car works ? DIMBO Just because a statement is in all caps, doesnt make it true. Most doctors vaccinate themselves and their families. Overall, out of 466 respondents who reported having Vaccination practices among physicians and their children, Michael Martin and YOUR FIGURES ARE POCKLED FROM SOMEWHERE THE HEALTHY HOME ECONOMIST :- Here is a quotation from this study: Ten percent of pediatricians and 21% of pediatric specialists claim they would not follow [CDC] recommendations for future progeny. ME WHO WOULD ABUSE THEIR CHILDREN WITH THIS LOAD OF JUNK :- MSG, antifreeze, phenol (used as a disinfectant), formaldehyde (cancer causing and used to embalm), aluminum (associated with alzheimers disease and seizures), glycerin (toxic to the kidney, liver, can cause lung damage, gastrointestinal damage and death), lead, cadmium, sulfates, yeast proteins, antibiotics, acetone (used in nail polish remover), neomycin (antibiotic) and streptomycin (antibiotic). Thimerosol (more toxic than mercury, a preservative still used in many vaccines, not easily filtered out even in mercury free vaccines, can cause severe neurological damage as well as other life threatening autoimmune disease). These vaccines are grown and strained through animal or human tissue, like monkey and dog kidney tissue, chick embryo, calf serum, human diploid cells (the dissected organs of aborted fetuses), pig blood, horse blood and rabbit brain. The potential for contamination with undetected, extremely serious animal viruses is very high. I provided the title and author of my evidence. SO DID I The Healthy Home Economists blog is not research. NEITHER IS PAUL OFFIT These are your safe vaccines: The role of vaccines, particularly the whole-cell pertussis (whooping So, what does Ronald do by way of a response? Regurgitates an illegible, disjointed wall of text. Well done, Ronald. (p.s. Btw.. TL;DR.) RESIDENT SITE IDIOTS AND TROLLS LIKE YOU SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. At a loss for any real rebuttal I see. No surprise there. From Kalokerinos and Mendelsohn, no less. Rons sources are still cr*p but at least hes giving them credit. Dr Mendelsohn MD was a great man fearless they probably did him in. One of the compounds 23 atoms is a mercury atomdid you have appoint?WROGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!! 49% of thimerosal is mercury NOT i atom out of 23. A shill to the end hey? Heres the chemical formula for thimerosal: C9H9HgNaO2S (9 carbon atoms, 9 hydrogen atoms, 1 mercury atom, 1 sodium atom, 2 oxygen atoms, 1 sulfur atom). 9 + 9 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 = 23 atoms total, of which only one is a mercury atom. MERCURY DANGER DOSE IS 1 PART PER MILLION 1PPM ONE DIVIDED BY NINETEEN ATOMS = 52000 PARTS OF MERCURY PER MILLION OF THIMEROSOL SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES AGAIN JGC 1 PPM thimerosal works out to 1 mg thimerosal per liter of solution, or 50 ug per half-mL (the volume of a vaccine inoculation). used as a preservative in multidose vaccine vials, however, thimerosal is present at 25 ug per half-mL (half that 1 ppm limit). Note also that the 1 part per million limitation on mercury you cite is the limit for methyl mercury contamination in ingested seafood, not for thimerosal or for ethylmercury (the form of mercury thimerosal metabolizes to form following injection) in vaccine formulations. INGESTED MAKES THE POSITION MUCH MUCH WORSE THE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM HAS MECHANISMS TO AVOID SOME ABSORPTION Your evidence that at exposure levels achievable by routine childhood vaccination thimerosal is toxic or otherwise harmful would be what exactly, nworder? Be specific. MORE TROLL CHAFF FROM JGC. Autism: A Unique Type of Mercury Poisoning Sallie Bernard* THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE THOUSAND TRILLION TRILLION MOLECULES OF TOXIC MERCURY SEEMS ENOUGH TO ME . SYNOPSIS For these children, the exposure route is childhood vaccines, most of which contain thimerosal, a preservative which is 49.6% ethylmercury by weight. The amount of mercury a typical child under two years receives from vaccinations equates to 237.5 micrograms, or 3.53 x 1017 molecules (353,000,000,000,000,000 molecules). Most such vaccinal Hg may not be excreted and instead migrates to the brain. The total amount injected into infants and toddlers (i) is known to exceed Federal safety standards, (ii) is officially considered to be a low level; whereby (iii) only a small percentage of exposed individuals exhibit symptoms of toxicity. Importantly, the timings of vaccinal Hg-exposure and its latency period coincide with the emergence of autistic-symptoms in specific children. Moreover, excessive mercury has been detected in urine, hair, and blood samples from autistic children; and parental reports, though limited at this date, indicate significant improvement in symptoms subsequent to heavy-metal chelation therapy. Would that be the Lyn Redwood and Sallie Bernard whoare entries #334 and 1375, respectively, in the Encyclopdeia of American Loons? Im sorry, but this is false. Following injection thimerosal rapidly dissociates to form ethyl (not methyl) mercury and is rapidly eliminated from the body, primarily by fecal excretion. Ethyl mercury has a half-life of less than 4 days and a vaccinated infants blood mercury level returns to pre-vaccination levels by 30 days after immunization. (see Mercury Levels in Newborns and Infants After Receipt of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines, Pichichero et al, Pediatrics Vol. 121 No. 2 February 1, 2008 pp. e208 -e214) The total amount injected into infants and toddlers (i) is known to exceed Federal safety standards In fact, children who develop Hg-related autism are likely to have had a predisposition derived from genetic and non-genetic factors. Moreover, excessive mercury has been detected in urine, hair, and blood samples from autistic children No matter how you try and TWIST the truth 49% of thimerosal is STILL mercury. Im not twisting the truth: expressing the composition of a molecule in terms of the weight of the atoms which make it up is meaningless: it tells you nothing about the molecule s biochemical properties nor does it argue that the molecules properties will be similar to any given elements properties.. and about 50% of salt is chlorine which again you will probably be able to ingest less of than salt before you suffer harm. Or maybe not, try it this weekend. HOW DEADLY TOXIC IS MERCURY ESPECIALLY IF IT COMBINED WITH A SALT. HOW MUCH MORE DEADLY WOULD INJECTING LARGER AMOUNTS OF MERCURY INTO A BABY NO WONDER AMERICA IS THE WORLD CAPITAL OF AUTISM She used tiny amounts in a fume hood; wore thin, disposable latex gloves; [and] had eye protection, and she was doing work that involved two or three simple steps, he recalls. But those precautions werent enough. In January, Wetterhahn experienced tingly fingers and toes, slurred speech, and balance problems, then constricted vision and hearing loss. In the brief time that she was conscious, Wetterhahn knew precisely what was happening. Before she went into a coma, she said she wanted everything possible to be done to get the news out to other scientists working with mercury, reports her physician, David Nierenberg, Edward Tulloh Krumm Professor of Clinical Sciences at Dartmouth. She was concerned that people immediately increase efforts to use better and safer handling techniques, and that physicians learn to pick up the signs earlier. She was so sick, yet concerned above all about her colleagues. Wetterhahn was a) Handling diethylmercury which is the most toxic type of mercury. Now given b) and knowing that a human has between four and five liters of blood in their body. Can you tell me how many vaccines they would have to get to reach that toxic level? She would never have got 4 mg per liter through tiny drops on the skin from what she was doing so your calculation inferences must be wrong . Putting mercury on the skin is nothing like injecting ethyl or methyl mercury right into the bloodstream. She would never have got 4 mg per liter through tiny drops on the skin 4mg/L is what 80 times the toxic level is. So if she didnt have that much then your article is lying. Yes its possible to get it from a few drops. Why? The density of mercury is 13g per cubic centimeter. Yes 13000 mg in 1 mL. Which means she only needed 20 mg or 1/650th of a mL. Easy to get with a drop or two. Putting mercury on the skin is nothing like injecting ethyl or methyl mercury right into the bloodstream. Wrong. Dimethylmercury easily passes right through your skin into your blood and into your brain. One vaccine is enough to poison an infant for life You didnt answer the math question I gave you. To get the level of mercury in your bloodstream that Wetterhahn had from vaccines would be exceptionally difficult. 25 mcg in a multidose flu vaccine. You need 20mg in your bloodstream to give you 4 mg/L. So that would take about 800 vaccines to reach this level. TRACE AMOUNTS WHO WOULD RISK MENTAL RETARDATION FOR A VACCINE THAT DOES NOT EVEN WORK EVEN THE MANUFACTURER E LIILY HAS 25 MICROGRAMS AS A DANGER LEVEL IF YOU ARE NOT FAKE AND ARE A DOCTOR YOU SHOULD BE LOCKED UP Lie # 1 Thimerosal, 49.55% mercury by weight, is safe when used as a preservative in vaccines and other drugs. The Facts: The Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Thimerosal acknowledges that exposure to Thimerosal in utero and in children can cause mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe gross motor impairment. The Sigma Aldrich MSDS lists abortion and fetal death as possible outcomes of in utero exposure. Nonetheless, most seasonal and H1N1 flu shots for pregnant women and young children contain 25 micrograms of mercury in the form of Thimerosal. For this exposure to be safe, a child would need to weigh more than 550 pounds. Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child. Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal. However, the government not only allows but also defends its injection into the population, especially pregnant women and newborn children, as part of influenza vaccines currently recommended by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Im just pointing out that your story has nothing at all to do with what is in vaccines. Its both a completely different and much more deadly form of mercury and the dose was hundreds of times higher. Please check your facts before you post things like that. As for your other stuff: Sure mercury and even thiomersal can cause cognitive/motor problems but its in doses so much higher than what you get in vaccines you might as well be comparing it to water toxicity. Also I doubt most influenza vaccines have this anymore. I havent seen a multi-dose vial in years. So your information is both inaccurate and out of date. JONATHANS LIE NO 2 TRACE AMOUNTS ? WEBSITE Lie #2 Mercury was removed from all childhood vaccines in (pick any year between 1999 and the present). The Facts: After realizing the amount of mercury in the childhood vaccination schedule recommended by the CDC exceeded all national and global maximum safety limits, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the United States Public Health Service called for the immediate removal of Thimerosal from all vaccines on July 7, 1999. By 2003, the vaccine manufacturers had begun to react to the 1999 call by lowering the mercury content in many of the Thimerosal-preserved early childhood vaccines. However, in April of 2002, the CDC began recommending that pregnant women and very young children get annual Thimerosal-preserved flu shots. Astoundingly, the total level of mercury exposure, if a child receives all the possible CDC-recommended vaccinations that are still Thimerosal preserved, from 6 months to 18 years of age, has actually increased. Significantly, if you put the amount of mercury added to the immunization schedule as a result of the CDC-recommended seasonal and (in 2009) H1N1 flu shots** on one side of a scale, and the amount of mercury that was subtracted from that schedule by reformulating early childhood vaccines without Thimerosal on the other side, the total amount of mercury added far outweighs the amount of mercury subtracted. In addition, today most tetanus shots and the multi-dose Sanofi Menomune vaccine that are approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) still contain 25-micrograms-a-dose mercury. Currently, the actions taken by the vaccine manufacturers, the FDA and the CDC have increased the possible maximum childhood exposure to mercury from vaccines to twice the level that triggered the 1999 call to remove mercury from all vaccines as soon as possible! **Most doses of these flu vaccines are Thimerosal-preserved. MERCURY IS ALWAYS THE SAME ITS THE ATTACHED SALT THAT CHANGES So first you lied by using an story that had nothing to do with your position. It neither used the same kind of mercury and there was no salt involved. Is there any reason you cant admit your ignorance of chemistry made you think that story had anything at all to do with vaccines? OF COURSE IT IS TO DO WITH VACCINES YOU ARE LUDICROUS BUT THE POINT YOU MISSED IS THAT THE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY AND THEY ARE BOTH DEADLY. HEALTH AND WELLNESS :- Indeed, the science actually demonstrates the OPPOSITE of the pro-vaccine claims, as ethylmercury actually metabolizes as methylmercury within the human body, leaving the individual with the toxic form of mercury that even vaccinators admit to be dangerous. As Eileen Danneman writes in her article, Establishment Safety Debate: Thimerosal in Vaccines vs. Admittedly Dangerous Methylmercury, upon reviewing two key published studies on mercury metabolism (one in rats and one in human infants), Dr. Paul King has come to the conclusion that, during the metabolic process in the human and animal bodies the supposedly harmless ethylmercury compound, Thimerosal, is metabolized (converted) into the toxic and harmful methylmercury. JONATHAN SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES .. again ! METHYL MERCURY IS AN ORGANIC SALT No, a salt is formed by the neutralization of acid and a base. Dimethylmercury is formed by the combination of elemental mercury, sodium and methyl iodide. So no, its not a salt, its an organomercury compound. BUT THE POINT YOU MISSED IS THAT THE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY But it wont turn into dimethylmercury. Its not a naturally occurring compound. So unless you can show objective evidence of dimethylmercury spontaneously getting created in the human body. Your story is irrelevant. vaccinators AND JONATHAN continue to harp on the claim that the ethylmercury compound is much safer than that of the methylmercury compound, What were talking about is dimethylmercury something you would have no exposure to unless you worked in a toxicology lab. So yes, the mercury in vaccines isnt ever going to be dimethylmercury and of course the doses are completely different. ONCE AGAIN METHYL MERCURY IS AN ORGANIC SALT WHEN YOURE DIGGING A HOLE STOP DIGGING lol Abstract from pub med Source : UNEP Global Mercury Assessment report, Summary of the Report, Like the inorganic mercuric compounds, both methylmercury and phenylmercury exist as SALTS (for example, methylmercuric chloride or phenylmercuric acetate). When pure, most forms of methylmercury and phenylmercury are white crystalline solids. Dimethylmercury, however, is a colourless liquid. LOL methLike the inorganic mercuric compounds, both methylmercury and phenylmercury exist as SALTS (for example, methylmercuric chloride or phenylmercuric acetate). Translating English to English for you is apparently my job now. Here phenylmercuric acetate and methylmercuric choloride are the salts. Its just telling you that these are the salt forms of the element. Salts, as Ill remind you are the result of neutralizing an acid and base. So in the case of phenlmercuric acetate we are neutralizing acetic acid. When pure, most forms of methylmercury and phenylmercury are white crystalline solids. Dimethylmercury, however, is a colourless liquid. Hmmmwhat could the words when pure mean? Ill give you a hint. its referencing this statement from earlier in the same report: Mercury is rarely found in nature as the pure, liquid metal, but rather within compounds and inorganic salts. Note two things, a) Mercury isnt always a salt and b) when they are talking about pure mercury theyre talking about the metal not the salt. THE WORD SALT IS USED FOR ORGANIC OR INORGANIC SALT AND WE ALL KNOW MERCURY CAN BE ON ITS OWN. YOU ARE JUST BEING A PEDANTIC FOOL SINCE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE LOST THE ARGUMENT THAT ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TREMENDOUSLY TOXIC. THE SALT REFERENCE IS FROM SCIENTIFIC PAPERS . YOU ARE JUST BEING A PEDANTIC FOOL SINCE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE LOST THE ARGUMENT THAT ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TREMENDOUSLY TOXIC. The argument was that you posted a story (which happens to be true) and attempted to argue by analogy that if someone could die over such small amounts of mercury then clearly what is in vaccines is equally dangerous. However this argument you lost because this is not only a far more deadly kind of mercury but the dose the person received is something like 800 times greater than what is in vaccines. So your argument is actually LESS applicable than talking about the risk represented by an 8oz glass of water based on a story about someone who died of water toxicity (which is merely magnifying the risk by a factor of 25 or 30 rather than 800). ITS VERY HARD TO FOLLOW WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY ALSO ETHYL MERCURY IS DEADLIER THAN JUST MERCURY MUCH MORE DEADLY. PLUS 50 70 VACCINES ARE NOW GIVEN WITH EVEN MORE ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY . SO YOUR 800 TIMES IS B.S. AS IS MOST OF WHAT YOU SAY . You are saying the dose that she received is 800 times greater but we dont know the exact dose since it was through the skin . We know that her dose caused her blood levels to be raised to 80 times the toxic level. The toxic level is 0.05 mg/L ergo she had about 4 mg/L or 4000 mcg/L. The average person has 4-5 liters of blood. A vaccine has about 25 mcg of mercury or about 6 mcg/L. 4000/6 = 600. So actually I was off a bit this was about 600 times more than the blood level achieved through vaccination. Now your example was about an adult. Lets assume your argument is about an infant which has a blood volume of about .28 L. 25 mcg would give them 90 mcg/L or about 44 times less than a comparable dose. Still less applicable than talking about water toxicity! Of course at this point you will shift your story to premature children at which point we are now looking at .24 L and about 38 times less. Still not quite as relevant as water toxicityand still your story is an argument by false analogy. THIS IS A MAINSTREAM MEDICINE ARTICLE AND THEY SAID SHE SHOWED 80 TIMES THE SAFE LEVEL IN HER BLOOD THEY HAD TO SAY THIS TO DOWN PLAY THE SEVERITY OF THE TOXICITY OF MERCURY . FOR THE LAB ASSISTANT TO ABSORB THIS AMOUNT OF MERCURY THROUGH HER SKIN THROUGH A GLOVE WOULD MEAN SHE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LARGE HOLE BETWEEN HER FINGER AND THUMB OR A MOUTH . WHAT IT REALLY MEANS AS THE START OF THE ARTICLE SAYS IS THAT A MINUTE AMOUNT OF DIETHYL MERCURY ABSORBED THROUGH GLOVES AND SKIN KILLED THE LAB ASSISTANT SHOWING JUST HOW TOXIC THESE MERCURY COMPOUNDS ARE THIS IS WHAT YOUR TRYING TO OBFUSCATE BY YOUR CHILDISH PEDANTIC ARGUMENTS SO THAT BIG PHARMA CAN KEEPING DESTROYING INFANTS LIVES you sicko . THIS IS A MAINSTREAM MEDICINE ARTICLE AND THEY SAID SHE SHOWED 80 TIMES THE SAFE LEVEL IN HER BLOOD THEY HAD TO SAY THIS TO DOWN PLAY THE SEVERITY OF THE TOXICITY OF MERCURY . Unlikely. Its far more likely they said that because its true. FOR THE LAB ASSISTANT TO ABSORB THIS AMOUNT OF MERCURY THROUGH HER SKIN THROUGH A GLOVE WOULD MEAN SHE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LARGE HOLE BETWEEN HER FINGER AND THUMB OR A MOUTH . Dimethylmercury will pass through a standard latex glove in seconds. Guess how long it takes to penetrate your skin and raise your blood level? Since the density of mercury is 13g per cubic centimeter. She only needed 20 mg or 1/650th of a mL to raise her blood level to 80x the toxic dose. So clearly the stated account is reasonable. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE IDENTITY UPTICK SYNDROME lol SO A TINY AMOUNT KILLS A 70kg WOMAN SO LETS INJECT IT INTO 3kg BABIES . PUBMED It was first discovered that methymercury had fatal effects on the brain development of fetuses through mercury poisoning incidents in Minamata, Japan in the 1950s [6]. Considering that the hair mercury concentration of normal people is 2 ppm, 5 mg/70 kg is defined as mercury poisoning, and 150 to 300 mg/70 kg is a lethal dose; it is a very high concentration [11]. All the children with Minamata disease suffered from mental retardation, cerebellar ataxia, physical growth disorder, dysarthria, and limb deformities. FOR LAB ASSISTANT AROUND 200mg per 70kg IS LETHAL SO 80 TIMES THIS Not 80X the lethal dose. 80X the toxic dose. Different thing. Secondly the story gives the value in terms of blood level not mg/kg. Toxic dose in blood level is considered to be 0.05 mg/L. 80X that is 4mg/L YOU ARE ALSO MISTAKENLY USING THE DENSITY OF MERCURY RATHER THAN THE DENSITY OF DIETHYL MERCURY . Good catch. Still at 3g per ml its trivial to get 4mg into your bloodstream. 1/150 of a ml is well within the amount described. IF A KILLER DOSE OF THAT AMOUNT CAN BE ABSORBED THROUGH UNBROKEN SKIN AND A LAB GLOVE THE WORLD WOULD BE FULL OF DEAD LAB ASSISTANTS . IF A KILLER DOSE OF THAT AMOUNT CAN BE ABSORBED THROUGH UNBROKEN SKIN AND A LAB GLOVE THE WORLD WOULD BE FULL OF DEAD LAB ASSISTANTS . Dimethylmercury is rarely used so no. Again you make the argument that this anecdote has nothing to do with what is in vaccines. TWO DROPS DOES NOT EQUATE TO YOUR MATHS . AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH In 1996, Professor Karen Wetterhahn, an organometallic chemist (1) at Dartmouth College, was running an experiment that required the use of a chemical called dimethylmercury, a colorless, volatile, sweet-smelling liquid(2). TWO DROPS DOES NOT EQUATE TO YOUR MATHS . A drop is roughly 0.05 ml. Two drops is about 0.2 mL. That is 1/5 ml since we only need 1/150th of a mL. It is more than sufficient. TWO DROPS IS NOT 16 GRAMS OR 8 GRAMS OR EVEN 4 GRAMS NOT EVEN 2 GRAMS OF MERCURY AND EVEN IF IT WAS 1/2 A GRAM ONLY A SMALL PROPORTION OF THAT WOULD GO THE SKIN AND A GLOVE . SO THERE IS SOMETHING SINISTER ABOUT THIS CASE TRYING TO PRETEND THAT SHE HAD 80 TIMES THE NORMAL TOXIC DOSE . THE REAL REASON IS THE INCREDIBLE TOXICITY OF THIS MERCURY COMPOUND DIETHYL MERCURY WHICH WILL BE SIMILAR TO ETHYL AND METHYL. TWO DROPS IS NOT 16 GRAMS OR 8 GRAMS OR EVEN 4 GRAMS NOT EVEN 2 GRAMS OF MERCURY AND EVEN IF IT WAS 1/2 A GRAM ONLY A SMALL PROPORTION OF THAT WOULD GO THE SKIN AND A GLOVE . Two drops is about 0.1 mL. 0.1 ml = .3 g of diethylmercurity. .3 g = 300 mg. Toxic blood level: 0.05 mg/L. Eighty-times the toxic blood level: 4mg/L or 20mg. So we only need 1/15th of the spilled amount to penetrate. Every chemistry book clearly indicates that dimethylmercury can easily penetrate the skin and even latex gloves. It is known to be the deadliest form of mercury for this reason. So there is nothing sinister, nothing abnormal about this case whatsoever. The math is pretty clear. If you do the math that is which you havent because you like having a scary story in your backpocket so you can deceive people. Your belief requires that every chemistry book and MSDS has been doctored. Which of course is silly. FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS MERCURY HAS BEEN USED BY MAD DOCTORS TO POISON THE HUMAN RACE WHILST PRETENDING CURES FOR WORMS , SYPHILIS YOU NAME IT SO MEDICAL BOOKS HAVE BEEN DOCTORED FOR LONGER THAN YOU SAY. ONCE AGAIN ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY ARE BOTH HIGHLY TOXIC ESPECIALLY TO BABIES AND PREGNANT MOTHERS SO NO AMOUNT OF TWISTING AND TURNING BY YOU WILL CHANGE THAT PUB MED :- Brain concentrations of total mercury were approximately 34 times lower in the thimerosal group than in the methylmercury group, and total mercury cleared more rapidly in the thimerosal group (with a half-life of 24.2 days versus 59.5 days). However, the proportion of inorganic mercury in the brain was much higher in the thimerosal group (2186% of total mercury) compared to the methylmercury group (610%). Brain concentrations of inorganic mercury were approximately twice as high in the thimerosal group compared to the methylmercury group. Inorganic mercury remains in the brain much longer than organic mercury, with an estimated half-life of more than a year. Its not currently known whether inorganic mercury presents any risk to the developing brain. Given these findings, the researchers caution that risk assessments for thimerosal based on studies using blood mercury measurements may not be valid, depending on the design of the study FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS MERCURY HAS BEEN USED BY MAD DOCTORS TO POISON THE HUMAN RACE WHILST PRETENDING CURES FOR WORMS , SYPHILIS YOU NAME IT SO MEDICAL BOOKS HAVE BEEN DOCTORED FOR LONGER THAN YOU SAY. Im not talking about medical books Im talking about chemistry books and MSDS sheets. These represent experimentally derived knowledge information on the properties of chemicals. The only leg you have left to stand on is that you because youre trying so very hard to delude yourself cant believe that 20mg can be absorbed via a topical application of 300mg. I mean you already know it passes easily through the skin compared to elemental mercury. Yet you simply have to believe it is utterly impossible for easily pass through the skin to mean 6% passes through the skin. So therefore you dream up the idea that all the chemistry books and MSDS sheets have been altered. Once you realize that it can. Your example becomes irrelevant. I AM NEVER SURE OF WHAT POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE . ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT ONLY DI METHYL MERCURY IS THE ONLY POISONOUS TYPE OF MERCURY AND THAT ETHYL MERCURY AND METHYL MERCURY ARE NOT POISONOUS AND CAN BE USED AS A SAUCE WITH YOUR FISH AND CHIPS. 300mg is a 3rd of a gram more than two drops . Not all of the drops would be absorbed through the skin before you were saying it was 4 grams lol . In the future they will probably find that ethyl mercury (in vaccines) is almost as poisonous as di ethyl mercury which killed a full grown woman with two tiny drops on a glove this is why they pretend it was the glove that let 100% through to the skin which also let 100% through strangely . This is what the vaccinators are worried about and why you their paid mouthpiece keeps harping on about it . I AM NEVER SURE OF WHAT POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE Ive stated it several times. Your story about dimethylmercury is irrelevant because it operates on a scale completely out of touch with the scale of thiomersal in vaccines. Your confusion probably also stems from your cognitive dissonance. 300mg is a 3rd of a gram more than two drops Nope. A drop is about 0.05ml. A ml of dimethylmercury is ~3 grams. Two drops is about 0.1 ml. Therefore 300mg. Math! Not all of the drops would be absorbed through the skin We only need 6% of the drops to reach the bloodstream. Math! And you say 300mg went through both glove and skin 100% Nope, at no point do I say that. I say 20mg went through meaning the glove only needs to be 6% permeable. Math! Or rather 0mcg of mercury since as nworder knows very well compounds arent elements. Of course, I should be more specific. 800x the dose of thiomersal. Yes you should rather than post spam How about you practice medicine! If you dont practice medicine, then STFU because you dont know what are you talking about. Secondly, dont begin stating BS science which is all corrupt. Have a nice day. 1)I am simply citing what the people who practice medicine say. 2)Only if you do the same too. 3)Evidence its all corrupt please. Get lost, troll. Nobody is buying the poison youre selling. Your kind are on the way out. We are awake now. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8aae14e40b27711f75034a0334a14b99d379d37cf2a0d6c722acb77c254c9447.jpg Basic chemistry hmmmm How about something else basic, mercury is a neurotoxin, infants being injected with it still have developing nervous systems, but of course it does no harm at all. Makes perfect sense. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/052ca9524459a5b81ed3c0af5f77656d10999fc52ff151256ccb2a5444a7376b.jpg And what about the Micro-ships ??????????????????? And we really dont know whats in them, do we? Should we even trust the vaccine inserts at face value when we know these monsters that created them have two? I think not. My moneys on the probability theres stuff in these jabs that are more deadly than the deadly ingredients they already admit are in them. They love distraction, misdirection, and half-truths, and they love making money from our illnesses and giving us crap to make us submissive and compliant even more. HRC also was given two pneumococcal vaccines and still got pneumonia. Thats probably why she got it. Thanks CypherGood to remind people that even vaccine inserts say to keep https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/039edfd0b996c489314b85f22ec813978c0bc18fe740027cfef2ee465df001c4.jpg going to make more people sick for the heathcare field and big pharma. i refuse to be abuse. I totally agree imgrateful_1. Since we already know all the many reasons we can not trust our elite government officials, it would be sheer stupidity to trust them to inject who knows what into our bodies. Please learn some basic chemistry. You need it pal you dont know salt contains sodium lol Please learn how basic logic works. Hint: You just committed the logical fallacy known as a strawman. My position is that salt is not sodium that doesnt mean it cant contain it. I am well aware that salt = NaCl. That just doesnt make it either Na or Cl. MERCURY IS DEADLY WILL IT BE LESS DEADLY IF ITS JOINED TO A SALT DRINK SOME MERCURIC CHLORIDE AND FIND OUT . No. Its impossible to set up a strawman argument against yourself. Try again. Please quote and link to where I said it was more or less deadly. Ive actually been arguing that compounds arent elements. EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE TRYING TO SET UP A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT No, Nworder, I am not responsible for your fertile imagination. I am simply correcting basic chemistry. If its so deadlyhow do you explain this? SIDS WAS GIVEN OTHER NAMES LIKE DEATH OF AN INFANT INFANT DEATH RATE YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE SIDS WORD BUT FAKE ANOTHER REASON FOR THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE SO THIS WAS HOW IT WAS DONE . Except thatagainthis claim just doesnt stand up to scrutiny. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c318290813f882580d8e725bf513c0ef6aa60634d1ccba5325da58aebf065a47.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c196e173790f0a7029d7ed030ad470b4bdeef3b5b73a8f57459ce99b575c240.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE CAUSED BY VACCINATION CUBA IS BETTER LOL BUT THE LIST IS ONLY THE WEALTHIEST IT DOES NOT COUNT COUNTRIES LIKE CUBA THE WASHINGTON POST : The United States has a higher infant mortality rate than any of the other 27 wealthy countries, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control. A baby born in the U.S. is nearly three times as likely to die during her first year of life as one born in Finland or Japan. That same American baby is about twice as likely to die in her first year as a Spanish or Korean one. Despite healthcare spending levels that are significantly higher than any other country in the world, a baby born in the U.S. is less likely to see his first birthday than one born in Hungary, Poland or Slovakia. Or in Belarus. Or in Cuba, for that matter. The U.S. rate of 6.1 infant deaths per 1,000 live births masks considerable state-level variation. If Alabama were a country, its rate of 8.7 infant deaths per 1,000 would place it slightly behind Lebanon in the world rankings. DUMB DUMB YOUR MISSISSIPPI AGAIN I know that you can choose the type of flue shot, they have one without the mercury. I have done this in the past. As for anything else in that shot, who knows? I have not researched them. The majority GOP Congress can negate Obozos EOs; all they need do is pass legislation forbidding forced vaccinations especially, on infants and young children, as well as on elderly people. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/edded4fe5f115711f13c61b58bf892670bc2551f5284b3373592da04491cdc8c.png Didnt you know! When youre in prison you have no rights, and in a captive population area, vaccines are mandatory and forcible administered. Your only options are acceptance or revolution, and all federal agents, including the postal service, are armed to the teeth. Good luck. You are 100% correct! Or just homeschool. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cc2be91da2fd7ef783dc8aa57492b41071c5ca9e6249dc4b6ea0d58a4646c29.jpg Many Prescription Drug patents are expiring with nothing ready to to take their place and continue the money gravy train. To compensate for this, Big Pharma has been going full speed ahead to develop a plethora of Vaccines Vaccine Combos. Do Not expect the Criminals in government to defy Big Pharma and protect you from this Depopulation Scheme. Only a United America can defeat this EVIL Agenda through non-compliance resistance and a Massive Notice Of Rejection (phone calls, emails, Tweets, Blog Posts, etc.) to Congress, the President, and BigPharma Executives. TRUMP WILL OVERTURN My bets?. hes getting injected with saline in this photo-op as he wraps up his tour of duties whilst obsequiously genuflecting to his shadow masters like a good little tele-prompter/ repeating parrot by literally guaranteeing that the upward curve of autism + the deleterious effects of whatever toxic poisonous adjuvants contained in this latest demo/genocidal Pandoras Box concoction will ensure the steady wasting away of the 99% thru a steady attrition as this will ensure the pHARMAceudical corporations can pick our bones bank accounts clean as we sicken die from the insidious effects in this pre-planned cull of useless eaters program that has the audacity chutzpah to charge the American taxpayers for our own demise. Totally agree with all your sentiments regarding globalist Big Pharma schemes to gain profits and kill people. One minor quibble~~thats a photo shop, not a photo op.and a very bad photo shop to boot! Please note that the arms on the body are not even remotely the same color as the inserted head of Obama. Here is my Photoshopped pic of Barkey and President Trump together. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8143f32909d9b34dc2e82166da6b2a6619ff015fdda8e3f2882c71e9149f41f.jpg hahahaha! That actually does look like a photoshop of Obama. It has girl hands for petes sake and his head is too big for the body! Where are we going to go to escape this medical mafia is what I want to know. Cause I need to head that way soon Actually, it was a Photo I copied from some site and then added the fly, the rat and the cheese, the pic of Michael on the mantle, plus the little thinking cloud. Ididnt touch anything in the image itself. Loads of Phun with Photoshop!!! Here is my latest, just for fun. Its in answer to all those that cant accept Hillary and the Demonicrats demise: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/174558dcb0b7caaaae34e0530d5cfebfbc3521032cccdab5798a73a90f3cda31.jpg Oh yes, Pence carrying the Make America Great Again sign in Hebrew going to Israel for instructionstwo wings, same plane! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f550d1c57851d2da94d43c8c1535e4a54e8b97d9a14cdfb8a3a542a6925d575.jpg cleverdid you see the pic of a religious orthodox rabbi or whatever. wrapped head to foot in bubble guard plastic on a plane some yrs ago because he couldnt be touched by a woman for some arcane ritual? No, but those Orthodox f@ckers can be weird. One of my sisters used to be an international flight attendant and she would get asked by them if she was on her period when she was doing food service. Of course, Randy Weaver had a bleedin shed for the wife and daughtergood times in the shed, I am sure. Cant help but correlate the neoziocons as the perpetrators of this crimetreating the goi like herded chattel to line up for mandatory shots.I bet their arms dont get perforated And they aint going no where Check this out thezog dot info/who-controls-donald-trump/ who controls GOOGLE good dig No matter who wins the WH or the congress, Israel wins every American election. Like there is any difference between the two, just two different actors. difference between the 2 What?context?neither Hanz nor I are hornswaggled with the illusion that the 2 parties are at each others throatstheyre wings on the same vulture any president is merely a puppet on strings subject to the decrees credos of the Hidden Hand That is good you guys are enlightened as you articulated so well. I was referring to the image about the Democrats for sure lost as depicted by their crashed plane about how the Democrats are having difficulty in accepting the vote in Johnny Canucks image. This image clearly shows the propaganda that one party makes a difference over another. Just doing old-fashioned cartooning. It doesnt make me believe in the Two Party System. That would be another cartoon, but I have to wait for Mr. Trump to take the reigns. If he makes a mess of things, I will do my best to reveal whatever incurs. Cheers! Heres another one: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/06067a320b5f3407a0654ffb1a82bf57aa803fd31287730affafed451ed4991f.jpg Good post! Cheers to you! Weve got to keep on embarassing and questioning these Criminals and Fools! Ie been battling these shameless shills for her 10 years now and their tactics havent changed. Its usually the same cast of characters: Dorit Reiss Many of these (if not all) are the same person. Theres no such thing as a n honest debate anymore regarding this topic. See the thread Im having currently with Dumb Dumb as an example. They refuse to answer the simplest questions. WOWthey have been trying for 10 years?? Barking up a tree thinking people will change their position? Its called artificial consensus. They create the illusion that there is agreement on this topic. haha fake news then. 200 years for anti-vaxxers. So? Well, now I feel left out! Any evidence theyre the same person? Or being paid? I dont care. What point are you struggling to make after 1 month? Do you speak for Dumb Dumb or are you trying to salvage your vatremist religion? I am simply asking what evidence you have. As I stated before, its a moot point because I really do not care. Not sure how clearer I can be. Interesting that you immediately received an upvote on a dead thread. Cypher doesnt care what the evidence is. Are you feeling lonely or just trying to redeem yourself? I actually forgot what this was all about. Just stating your very own words. Whether they damn or bless you is your choice entirely. And good luck. Vaccines are toxic bioweapons now because of Planet X. Anyone forcing anyone to get a toxic vaccine should be shot with another heavy metal injection LEAD! The entire government are evil treasonous criminals. The day of the next You should see his spouse Michaels hands! cheers Hanz ..your a good man (lol) I even up-voted myself just for funmight not happen again (LOL) Hv you seen the package (lol) What, that thing? Its normal. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cfdbaedd87bde6d5d165bc42eef7597aeb7332040d790d78df0822bd1f161674.png LOL Its all related lies and coverups in the matrixbut yeah, extraordinary claims take extraordinary evidence. I wont buy it until I see the naked package or DNA analysis. In the grand scheme of the Zio-sphere, its just another distraction regardless. Yep, she may have broad and muscled shoulders at times from working out, but the hip to shoulder ratio is the give away that its a woman. We would have to see her in a Bikini (shudder the thought!). A Mans form has the hips under the belly-button. A Womans form has her hips above the belly-button. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54dcabb485de22d25da19e5f7d54ef55e9238892e258df2f0788b823dfaa13bd.jpg Dunno about the belly button thing But damn, I just looked of images of Agnese Landini and youre right something just aint right there! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5952ca1e7728f29b6fbc3c8808cd843564a0e7117e8509ec0fa29ddb9d07b778.jpg what about his spouses penis? Hard to say, maybe in some kind of cup device or maybe large womanhood. I dunno. I knew a large woman hood once. Barely escaped with my wallet intact. After looking at a few pics of Bama and his Tranny Wife together, she/he/it has bigger hands than him! I believe you are right, I went back up the page and checked it out, that arm does not match the skin color of his face at all. Everything about him is a fraud. And whether anyone agrees or not he was born in Kenya and not even remotely qualified to even run for office of President but he did. He should be impeached quickly so taxpayers wont have to pay for his pensions. You think Obama will be impeached after serving a 4 year term as president, being re-elected, and then serving 3 years and 10 months of his SECOND 4 year term as president? You REALLY think that is going to happen? I mean you took the time to type the words . . . like there was even the REMOTEST possibility. . . . .? and those arms are much bigger than obozos Very well said, as usual. Cheers. O O Outstanding grasp delivery of the required clarity needed to elucidate this odious conspiratorial travesty within your posits regarding this abject BIG LIE conspiracywith cool logic untainted by emotionalismfacts are facts while they are drawing a chalk line for the Hypnozombed to follow with the 8 second attention spans that now predominates the general discourse connived solely through their Hegelian sorcery intentional misdirection..cheers 8- second- attention- spans Good one! reading my mind again SMART-ly so. Would love to know what Carlin would be saying now, bet it would be shades of Eddysachs. O~Ocheers Guess what though, the sensory issues that are caused by the toxins can back fire, if the globalists are trying to dumb us down. Speaking from experience, and from many friends, students, and clients that I have worked with, oversensitive visual and auditory processing can actually help. For example, once we learn what to look for, we can quickly see the occult symbolism that is hidden in media, art, and music. If we train ourselves to do so, we can read body language and facial expressions and know if that person we are reading is authentic or disingenuous. Many of the hidden in plain site crap that globalists pull, is noticed by us. And some of us are very good with numerology and patterns. Im not sure that is what they had in mind, eh? Its satanic protocol to announce plans in advance, so adepts can read intentions .MP. Hall (33rd degree Mason)not quite sure what specifically youre implying? but I think I get the gist as far as Im concerned LSD definitely back-fired on the CIA spooks..cheers https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/537c403e44d24a431256f772e0232f14ea0c61d0744724c3cec8f4f93a8afad0.png Mother Natures answer. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1213d64886a8afe6bc2da9d604369497513fc8b63cbcd6a6079edb26c32bb9f2.jpg Our own natural immune system is unbelievably powerful if left to its own devices through a healthy diet exercise cycle ..generally speaking without the cow pussthese allopathic snake oil psychos think they alone own the whole of medical knowledge if fact theyve undermined stolen it to achieve their own ends with the Rockefeller /WHO conspiracy to HARMwhereas old man J.D.R. had naturopathic holistic doctors treat himself his family.slime bag that he was. So why are you so scared of a weakened virus, dead virus, or pieces of the same if your immune system is badass enough to tackle the full-strength pathogen? Because we dont need the toxic assault inside your little Trojan horse! What do you mean, mine? What is your evidence that it exceeds the toxic does? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WEAKENED VIRUS THEY BOUNCE BACK OR JOIN TO SOMETHING ELSE TO CAUSE EVEN MORE DISEASE. POLIO HAD THE MONKEY VIRUS WHICH IS FOUND IN CANCER TUMOURS. THEN THERE WAS AIDS IN VACCINATIONS PLUS MERCURY AND ALUMINUM AND 100 OTHER TOXINS ARE IN THE JAB. Nope. Compounds arent elements. THE COMPOUNDS CONTAIN THE ELEMENTS LIKE MERCURY AND ALUMINIUM https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae317d40e2356a7e5c677186a57726a63c5d0ed191e4362f1bd57680598110ca.png Doesnt make them elements. WHO SAID IT DOES ? you are pathetic https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/249826606fa2bc5d18ca344472f3877315795655d349113c4a8bc594fdde1b43.jpg You. Just now. Aluminum =/= alum. And appeal to disgust wont work on me. Formaldehyde? I bloody well hope so. I much prefer my biologics without The Cutter Incident II. What on earth are you on about drink the formaldehyde even breathing air in a caravan can make you ill due to the formaldehyde https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/125767814cb8ea5369def9bc040f035dd53a4cc2b73340538cb6ed42a3551965.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed214a578907859bf503b29df9717e6c7df26291bd993bfa0b0d5a3387d8175e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/60169064cc6195dffc2c83ed641ad61c2f92955cc5e3befb1f40b6dfc74ab865.jpg As for drinking formaldehyde I do that on a daily basis. Apple juice + toast is my standard breakfast. JUST NONSENSE YOU ALSO EQUATE EATING FORMALDEHYDE WITH INJECTING INTO THE BODY , BLOOD AND BRAIN You are a prime fool able to see the difference between injecting mercury into babies and EATING bread but denying it is a no brainer . Anyone that listens to a clown like you deserves 70 injections https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/86f608c1adc148a3b680d3b9a87c3c7a26644a78b8fc5e1eb5221eb161376b6c.jpg Read Gadad et al yet? Youre the one that told me to drink it https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba862a798adfe66e2dfe7db74851238c6ac7cf5257048e6150635712b34b3d5.jpg . As for injectingnope, I do that too. Formaldehyde is injected into everyones hepatic vein. Naturally. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg SO IF YOUR GOING TO CLAIM THAT 70 VACCINES ARE SAFE THEN GET 70 JABS AND PROVE IT . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1823cda132ac9db11da6f1591c68377e177f31888aafc50c49f5fb6f4f0c9008.jpg Where is the dosage information. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png THE INFANT DEATH RATE HAS DROPPED IN EVERY DEVELOPED COUNTRY MORE THAN AMERICA Americas is sticking at the highest rate due to vaccination Im not crediting vaccinations for it, nworder. I am pointing out a problem in your blaming vaccines for it. Different thing. THE INFANT DEATH RATE HAS DROPPED IN EVERY DEVELOPED COUNTRY MORE THAN AMERICA Americas is sticking at the highest rate due to vaccination https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa2d23fa79c75a019990fc700ba080ae6ad1f35bfa872bfde42c483b7d07f66c.jpg Yes its called looking after our poorest. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c318290813f882580d8e725bf513c0ef6aa60634d1ccba5325da58aebf065a47.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e9b8c7ac84e79de71d44afe9e6924def8ffab0e63bc2e3d4970f1708b4a3655.jpg *drinks apple juice* Simian Virus 40 (SV40) was used as classic textbook example of a cancer causing virus in my graduate oncology courses. Youre very well informed, thanks for countering Dumb Dumbs disinfo. Appreciate your tenacity! Coming back to an inane Dumb Dumb reply to my comment thanking Cypher for his new short note to me, I was surprised to see this thread still going at 3K+ comments and counting. Good sign were picking up some momentum, an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires. Yes get vaccinated for polio then you will polio AND cancer thrown in free lol Extra bonuses: gut dysbiosis and autoimmune disorders. I found the latter is a mini-Achilles heel point in some online skirmishes with trolls. It can also be a good opportunity to educate onlookers about vaccine induced Guillain-Barr syndrome spurring imagery of the immune system attacking the body brings up another layer of suspicion over adjuvants. I love seeing lots of different styles of debate thrown at the trolls that was KEY in this thread to a GREAT win for truth thanks to you, Cypher, Austism Dadd, et al. Cheers! Blue579 Funny, in my biology textbook SV40 is listed in a table of cancer causing viruses with a note Doesnt cause cancer. They bought a scientist by the name Shah to do a fake study to show no connection between SV40 and tumors. They took all information from CDC website on SV40 too. I took grad oncology courses close to 20 years ago. I went on to specialize in neurology. I havent closely followed the field of cancer research, just enough to keep up with the paradigm shifts and molecular genetics research examining cause and treatment. Ill have to take a closer look at SV40 this weekend. Thanks for the heads up! I dont see the reply to you I just posted. (?) Anyway, I found recent scientific info supporting the view SV40 is indeed still considered transformative, including a 2016 study (on pub med) examining inflammatory and turmoral mediators. My bet is SV40 is also still recognized as having a tendency to disrupt p53. I would need to dig some more. Even Wiki admits a cancer link = [The National Academy of Sciences Immunization Safety Review committee stated, The committee concludes that the biological evidence is moderate that SV40 exposure could lead to cancer in humans under natural conditions.Namika et al found that the SV40 large t-antigen, in combination with mycoplasma, often a contaminate of vaccines, can cause prostate cells to turn cancerous. Whether or not this is true for other human cells is debated. ] I wonder what Suzanne Humphries take is on SV40, she would be an ideal source for a highly informed opinion. If you want more background, feel free to find me on Disqus to send me as message. You may need to be persistent as Disqus sends some messages to me down the memory hole. I copied your response, and I will look at prostate cancer article. It is strange but they do disappear posts on vaccine articles as i type them. I am typing my reply in short again. Simple. Thimiserol and squaline. How we made it here as a species is amazing lol. Plz you dont stop taking. Take some more plz. Squalene. Precusor to cholestol. We make it on our own. Thimersoal? Antimicrobial. in what quantities would you be afraid of them? I mean 20mcg if that was elemental mercury which it isnt you probably absorb a significant portion of that just from a visit to the dentist. you probably absorb a significant portion of that just from a visit to the dentist. And that supposed to be a good thing? No the point is that you get similar or greater amounts that is blood level amounts of elemental mercury as you get thiomersal in vaccines from all sorts of things. YOU ARE SO STUPID INJECTING MERCURY IS 1000s of times worse than ingesting. The injected mercury is 100% absorbed it is ethyl mercury which converts to methyl mercury (and probably even di methyl mercury) and other mercury compounds then causes havoc in the body. Our digestive systems are programmed to lower the absorption of toxins . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c10c64a43ec6f1c83356662722b98684cb76036958fdb18a75e5ea36526476c6.jpg Ingesting is not how you get mercury in a dental office. Most research on this looks at blood levels so we are talking about what is already absorbed. Considering gates vaccines have been found to contain anti fertility drugs I think its safe to assume what the real agenda is and its not to protect populations. same with Epycite genetically introduced in their GMOs Killer Cell. What of it? You assume a healthy body is defenseless? 1)No, Im not dumb enough to assume everyone is healthy to begin with. 2)More like naive. The majority of people in developed nations are well enough to combat viral infections, providing life long immunity. Youre missing the point of the typical selfnews Post reader. We dont say those who want vaccines should not be allowed access, rather we believe mandatory vaccinations are unethical and unwise. The uncensored history of vaccines shows us deaths from viral infections PLUMMETED BEFORE the arrival of vaccines owing to better nutrition and sanitation. 1)So? The majority of people in developed nations (and undeveloped nations for that matter) are neurotypical by your logic, this makes them all neurotypical. Oh look, no autism and no autism epidemic. 2)I dont see where I have claimed you want those who want vaccines should not be allowed access. 3)Given that no-one is interested in mandatory vaccines (and vaccine mandates are a different thing, whats your point? 4)I dont recall arguing that mortality hadnt dropped before vaccines. Youve forgotten to take account of better supportive medical care too though. However, the incidence did not unless as a part of the characteristic peaks-and-troughs. Besides the vaccines themselves cause outbreaks. Good point! Theres also the thousands of cases of paralysis from Gates polio vaccine program in Africa. Or brainwashed like you. So did autism exist 100 years ago? Increased rates of autism correlated to increase in vaccine regime. How are Africans still multiplying so much? Why arent they all dead? Even ebola couldnt kill them. Vaccines are for population reduction as bill gates said himself in a Freudian slip in front of a gasping audience. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ddaafab86aa7ee1991723ea5165f34ba060780ed4f77c9561b228c822d3cf66e.jpg You do understand that not every child has to survive in order for you to get 2 children who can give you grandchildren, right? Yes, the evil Bill Gates villain admitted his evil plot on a Ted Talk. I think you got that confused with the film you went to see last week. That was a prime example of Cognitive Dissonance in actionthe audience was faced with two opposing views where they ultimately retreated to their core belief safe value that Bill Gates is Rich hes a good person[sic].. May you be enveloped cease to be real soon Mother nature looks very unfriendly sometimes. What do we have here, some kind of virus in battle? Yes put cultured disease in your blood stream, grown in cancer cultures now. Put cancer causing mercury and squaline straight into your blood stream and brain. Some tards do have them. the flu vaccine is heavy in mercury https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fcb1603d18e932fad27c48fdb553b465ae80fc4c14b43fc1f3f0ab6e2663f58.jpg I can do this all day long as well shillmore crap mendacity of prevaricating disingenuous picture food for your BIG LIE!..I keep noticing the very same Logo attached to most of this propaganda care to explain what NGO or corporation is fronting this specious propaganda mill BS? Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes (RtAVM) I know the difference between muscle, skin, and veins even if you do not. I know the difference between compounds and elements even if you do not. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed214a578907859bf503b29df9717e6c7df26291bd993bfa0b0d5a3387d8175e.jpg Do you really want to avoid: MS, Guillian Barre syndrome, CIDP ( and many other nerve diseases ) lifelong allergies, fibromyalgia, cancers, arthritis, thrombocytopenia, autism, brain inflammations that can cause lifelong emotional problems etc etc, THEN DONT GET VACCINATED! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png Guillan Barre is 17x more likely with natural flu immunity, Ron. No it ISNT. Given that the entire global scientific and medical consensus says it is.burden of proofs on you to disprove it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c130cc76eddfc381705d7df2933291f86edfba653b15beef3bb6a93b92945cdd.png Not to mention that the other things on Rons list are also more common with the natural infection, or they do not happen at all with vaccination (cancer, fibromyalgia, autism etc). Which orifice these antivaxers keep dragging their list of vaccine reactions from is a total mystery to me, and Ive done anatomy at med school! Pathetic Mike. Is that what med school taught you, to lie and call names? Autism is more common with the natural infection since CRS does occasionally cause autism and does not happen at all with vaccination. Small chancezil chance. Im betting on their nostrils. paranoid much ? moron much? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cc2be91da2fd7ef783dc8aa57492b41071c5ca9e6249dc4b6ea0d58a4646c29.jpg No, its not. I dont have to go into the establishment at all if I dont want to. MANDATORY vaccinations are FORCED on me. See? different. You dont have to go into the establishment at all if you dont want to? Yes, thats my point. a point in every direction is the same as NO Point at all(lol) Still waiting for you to make a credible contribution to this thread.One liners dont count. Go Find Yourself ?or Go Free Yourself?but in your case GFY despicable troll I will take that as a no,and insults do not raise your credibility. I absolutely positively Dont Care one iota about what you think about Anything! coming from an obvious pathological LIAR Thank you for your insult https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c130cc76eddfc381705d7df2933291f86edfba653b15beef3bb6a93b92945cdd.png bullshit Dont mistake facts for assumptions. Explain clearly why its bullshit. what are you A.I with tunnel vision?f*k off die HAL.clearly explain to me why you are a co conspiratorial murdering genocidal scum bag? Im sorry, that does not answer the questions asked. Too bad you trust shills like Dr. Paul Offit, vaccine pharma zombie spokesman - on his Vaccine Education Center webpage (bold faced lie; zero basis in medical science, nada, zilch, hes a quack): (imo)this monster is certifiably diabolically criminally insane Oh no, I ask for evidence! I guess you your minions of diseased vermin/ HASBRA clownsare putting in for overtime (lol)..my advice? get drunk take all your clothes off go play chicken with all the 18- wheelers on the nearest freeway tonight.do the world a favor 1)Provide evidence for payment. 2)Freeways dont exist here. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg Ahem, recall that I pointed out we could throw out literally everything from America and still have global scientific and medical consensus in favour of vaccines. Last I checked, Paul Offit was from America. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b546789ba4acaa5ec6cbf9bb9ca3669923c72d6951331b8d5cf36bf72d7e2742.jpg Im not interested in what you say he says. Point me to the actual thing where he said whatever youre concerned about. Recall that?? (do you imagine everyone is following all of your posts?). Your first post which I responded to is a compilation of images describing what anti vaxers think Your FIRST mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy havent done their research and are uninformed. My response of Offits website posting false information typifies a methodical obfuscation of important concerns, including aluminum in vaccines. For which no controlled relevant human safety studies have been done. Further down the thread you perpetuate a straw man comparison with mercury, not understanding the difference between chronic low grade exposure and an acute reaction involving the immune system. Recall that?? (do you imagine that everyone is following all of your posts?) I was responding to the compilation of images you posted with the caption Anti vaxers think Your first of mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy are uninformed and havent done their research. I replied showing patently false information posted on Offits website. Relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum in vaccines have never been done. Concerns about the effects of aluminum in vaccinations are reasonable and grounded, esp. for infants. Further below on the thread you create a straw man argument conflating chronic low grade mercury exposure with acute exposure under immune system activation via vaccination. The latter now recognized as being linked to the development of gut dysbiosis, in turn, strongly correlated with the sequela of autism = very different mechanisms at work. Recall that?? (do you imagine that everyone is following all of your posts?) I was responding to the compilation of images you posted with the caption Anti vaxers think See the green countries meme. It was obvious from the post you responded. Besides, you dont have to respond to my posts to remember Your first of mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy are uninformed and havent done their research. If you have evidence stronger than the current evidence, great, show it to me. If you have evidence that the entire global scientific and medical consensus is wrong then great, show it to me. If you can do neither, then youre not being skeptic youre just being contrary. As for not having done research.the vast majority of people havent done research no matter which side theyre on. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e08003fe4aadb1b8f331de5aed53a362a624b2452a8ea50c0c82f86a16af5930.png So does anyone here have a PMID number for their research? I replied showing patently false information posted on Offits website No, you replied with a graphic asserting there was patently false information posted on Offits Website. Theres a difference. .Relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum in vaccines have never been done. You will need to define relevant and controlled here. Concerns about the effects of aluminum in vaccinations are reasonable and grounded, esp. for infants. Concerns are, yes. Questions arent the problem either. Its when people ignore the answers. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e1a6e8fc71575c870634eff71c35de67f57b2b8a6fe3b37fb160f406a0ec12d.png Further below on the thread you create a straw man argument conflating chronic low grade mercury exposure with acute exposure under immune system activation via vaccination. Actually, I was addressing the conflation of chemicals and elements. But if we agree that chronic and acute are different, I trust you wont cite the EPA to prove that an acute limit is dangerous since it deals with chronic exposure. The latter now recognized as being linked to the development of gut dysbiosis, in turn, strongly correlated with the sequela of autism = very different mechanisms at work. Given that there is no difference in rates of autism with vaccinated vs unvaccinated children, its irrelevant what you think the mechanism of vaccines causing autism is since they clearly dont. Its like trying to prove that the tooth fairy flies youre kind of missing a step that of proving the tooth fairy exists in the first place. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/979a7591fcb9d270e9da429faad9e056962f7a4c458cd8a346b0384bb30b2c13.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29caa8b67460692ece417e17b1c050466879eb42ebcff7f3720d50b0722c9212.jpg VACCINES DONT WORK AND CAUSE DEATH AND LIFELONG ILLNESS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6df0b23b2288545f97082e2fccd26a5badf138101afd08f310b05f6781b8a638.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg My dear mother had 3 cases of measles to contend with simultaneously in her home, in the 1960s, and she handled it all on a total salary of less than 25 dollars per week. Those three cases were very young children who grew up very healthy despite the week or so being bed ridden while their immune system sorted out a little viral attack. This 33 000 dollars per case to treat measles clearly describes the depth and implications of the corrupt extortion racket that the allopathic industry has become!! More reason NOT to trust anything they say or want to sell..or collude with the government to enforce on the population.. Again, read the meme properly. To control the outbreak. No, please, you must read properly. The problem is NOT measles or measles outbreaks, the problem is this malignant, pathogenic, cancerous Parasite which is growing into society and at the end of each borrowing tentacle is a smiling airhead draped in white linen and this insidious, vile parasite was unleashed on society by the malevolent Rockefukker crowd with their arachnoid super superiority Komplex Evidence? What? . . . ..You want ..me..to give you evidence of the psychotically criminal, parasitic cabal that is taking control over society? Well, . . . . G F Y S . ..and you can interpret that any way you like. Thought so No, please, you must read properly. The problem is NOT measles or measles outbreaks, the problem is this malignant, pathogenic, cancerous Parasite which is growing into society and at the end of each borrowing tentacle is a smiling airhead draped in white linen and this insidious, vile parasite was unleashed on society by the malevolent Rockefukker crowd. Bare assertion. Youre trying to do an end run around some basic facts with nonsensical arguments (for argument sake only). Please can you cite the PMID number of Humphries research? Excellent comment! What struck me as despicably evil and wholly ambiguous is the language theyre using where on the one hand they admit their jurisdiction hence authority is by consent or contract only (which is supposed to mean voluntary), while on the other they threaten to steal your money and put you in a cage, and do what they want to do to you if you dont consent or make this agreement with them. In my book, as well as in Blacks Law Dictionary, thats blackmail and extortion, as well as felonious assault and abject battery if they follow it through. So you must contract with them under duress or suffer consequences theyll deploy on you, and if you dont agree to contract with them, theyll just bloody fake your consent and take what they want anyway. Fake it and take it the very best way to describe this de facto color of law jurisdiction. Duress: threat of harm made to compel a person to do something against his or her will or judgment; esp., a wrongful threat made by one person to compel a manifestation of seeming assent by another person to a transaction without real volition. Blacks Law Dictionary 8th ed. 2004. This is a lose-lose situation for the victim of this assault and deployment of what is really a weapon of war, and it even goes against the very definition of contract which is an agreement where both sides equally benefit, or agree to an imbalance. When one side takes unfair advantage of the other side, that is legally unconscionable and a criminal fraud, in fact, it is no contract at all because every contract requires consideration which is the benefit that each party gets or expects to get. If it is one-sided, like this, where they will not do anything that benefits you in exchange, that contract sounds breached, or better, its simply a nullity. Unconscionable. adj. referring to a contract or bargain which is so unfair to a party that no reasonable or informed person would agree to it. Blacks Law Dictionary There are lawful opposing arguments here to be made but the biggest obstacle is the fact that 99% of the crimes against humanity have been committed by order takers, and these goats make sure their armed thugs have low IQs and a propensity to follow orders and no clue of the lawful, ethical, moral, not to mention criminal ramifications of their individual actions. Thats why theyre bonded, these thugs, in case they make a legal boo-boo (like enforce a nullity), so the corporation itself isnt liable and wont have to pay the resulting costs. These executive orders, and every single law they make that isnt about personal property rights (actually this one is, your body is your property) ONLY apply to your fictitious corporate entities, though, remember that, so if you can avoid being identified as such, they not only cant, but wont touch you because they cant recognize nor interact with you, only your corporate identity. (see corresponding comment below Blue579 mistake) Too true! My son cant afford health insurance for his family under Obamacare and because of Obamacare his company no longer carries health insurance for its employees. Hence, my two grandchildren were on CHIPS. They are not vaccinated and the people at CHIPS told my daughter-in-law they had to be to be on CHIPS, so now my grandkids have no access to health insurance at all. This country has absolutely gone nuts. Using the federal government to force things on people they dont want or need. Ill be 65 this month..this reality today is unfuknbeeleevable compared to the community farms organic food birds bugs we grew up withnatural for the most part till its evolved into this corporate/political juggernaut of an insane asylum of the Borg consciousness of Absorb Discard ad infinitumraping mother nature for the greed of three piece suit banksters oligarchsthis vaccine agenda is abject criminal depopulation in progress genocide .murder enslavement but viewed thru reptilian eyes of the 0.01% ruling psychopaths ...nothing personal-just business..as a credo of their cold pragmatic heartless ambivalence. Hey Eddy, my nice carefully worded reply to Num Dumb went down the memory hole. I tried again and this time both my pic of Offits website lie about aluminum, my reply, and Num Dumbs this is what anti-vaxers think image compilation were swept down the memory hole. Oh my, striking that censorship nerve!! Ouch! LOL My third attempt and will include Offits pic statement underneath. What a riot! ICANN see you now! Numb Dumb: Ahem, recall that I pointed out we could throw out literally everything from America and still have global scientific and medical consensus in favour of vaccines. Last I checked, Paul Offit was from America. Blue579 reply Recall that?? (do you imagine that everyone is following all of your posts?) I was responding to the compilation of images you posted with the caption Anti vaxers think Your first of mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy are uninformed and havent done their research. I replied showing patently false information posted on Offits website. Relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum in vaccines have never been done. Concerns about the effects of aluminum in vaccinations are reasonable and grounded, esp. for infants. Further below on the thread you create a straw man argument conflating chronic low grade mercury exposure with acute exposure under immune system activation via vaccination. The latter now recognized as being linked to the development of gut dysbiosis, in turn, strongly correlated with the sequela of autism = very different mechanisms at work. Dr. Paul Offits Vaccine Education Center website posting a Big Lie https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/937ace3ba97dec7a190da2f72ac4b8692c681ce0e6b62969dd50db7d42abe2bd.jpg Doesnt he claim aluminum and mercury are like nutrients in the body too? Pretty close to his stance on aluminum. Offit claims aluminum is harmless and his website says aluminum is believed to play an important role in the development of a healthy fetus. Thats nuts, its known in medical science to be a toxin and contaminant metal contaminants damage neurons in ultra low concentrations (nano pico molar). http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/ Shows how Offit will disregard science to make these corrupt statements. Exactly Link to what Paul Offit said, not what VP said he said. Compounds are not elements. No, toxin means something produced by a living thing. True, cell bio terminology regarding toxic: toxin, one letter change denoting an organic source, toxic being the corrected apt term here. Though you glide over the important point that aluminum is known to damage neurons and cells in general and most people dont realize aluminum as an adjuvant has NEVER been tested in controlled human safety trials. You change your name from Dumb Dumb and come back to a 2 month old thread no longer being viewed for what reason? Why ever should it be? Elements are not compounds. First do no harm. Never assume. If aluminum as an adjuvant has no deleterious effects on the human body, then the issue couldve been put to rest through carefully designed human safety studies. Elements are not compounds Spiders are not insects The moon isnt a planet. LOL Again, why should something not in a vaccine be put through carefully designed human safety studies to prove its safe in vaccines? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed214a578907859bf503b29df9717e6c7df26291bd993bfa0b0d5a3387d8175e.jpg Post hoc ergo propter hoc. You forgot theres big difference between ingesting trace amount of aluminum and having it injected into the body. Not to mention formaldehyde. Good. I much prefer vaccines without The Cutter Incident II. I tried again and this time both my pic of Offits website lie about aluminum, my reply, and Num Dumbs this is what anti-vaxers think image compilation were swept down the memory hole. Yep, I saw them earlier. Thanks, Hanz. I just had my top spot delegatedwaaaay down the page to the ignominious back pages as it were. by the vacuole spooks boot- lickers that pass for editors here Yeah, I see that now, the #2 spot suddenly surged a couple of points ahead of your comment. Guess we can thank them for the tip off on aluminum as this issues Achilles heel. which means I should be directly underneath itthis stinks of human intervention Looks like the new top upvoted comment has a lot of sub-commenting, which would come stacked before the next independent comment. Im getting sleepy, need to stop soon. Great job with this thread, Eddy. Hey Blue, I know very little about topic, thread or what goes on here, but Non Dumb follows 1048 people and has only 129 followers thats generally a pretty solid indication you are dealing with a shill or a psychopath. Dont let dumb dumb near your baby with a syringe . Good sleuthing, Hanz! Ive never seen Num Dumb on A. Post before, which also tells me hes a shill. What kind of person runs around with a pile of steaming B.S. propaganda to disrupt conversations on websites antithetical to their Kool-Aid addictions? Anyway, its funny that the mild little subthread where I pointed out aluminum used as an adjuvant in vaccines has never been tested for safety and long term effects was removed. Same thing happened with my comments questioning Wesley Clark and the 7-nation narrative. No-one can start with a second comment. Anyway, its funny that the mild little subthread where I pointed out aluminum used as an adjuvant in vaccines has never been tested for safety and long term effects was removed. Same thing happened with my comments questioning Wesley Clark and the 7-nation narrative. Thats pisses me off. I feel a profound sense of violation when that happens, in a very real sense it is a raping of the mind. Fers. In this manner, they show their hand. This is but a drop in the ocean compared to the level of social engineering built into Chinas Social Credit Score system being readied for the rest of the world. Yeah, I used to work with a lot of demographic data, various reporting systems, economic dat and so forth that were pretty elaborate in my thinking nothing compared to whats available today, AI, psych data and such, that surely you are more intimate with than me. Yep, its scary. Customized propaganda and conditioning protocols for each person, archetype, group, etc. Yep, and I believe both Trump and Cruz apparently used Cambridge Analytics extensively this campaign. I also read a while back somewhere that Mark Rubios speeches are all written using tested and metered metadata. Of course, this is probably much more common than is reported anywhere obviously already used massively in standard media propaganda and talking points. Beyond that, are the layered intelligence psy ops, increasingly sophisticated, orders of magnitude so since I became an activist 13-14 years ago. Its usually the same cast of characters: Dorit Reiss Thanks. In the middle of the thread his name went from Num Dumb to Dumb Dumb. I bet theyre shape shifters too. Evidence? No doubt. Evidence that you base your bet on? OBAMA AND THE ELITES KNOW TOO MUCH TO TAKE A REAL VACCINE . Evidence? Give me a break. Im sure hes gotten a flu shot every year for the past eight years at least. Ive gotten one every year for the past six years, and I dont shake hands with nearly as many people as he does. AL you will know that the flu shot every year will mean you get Alzheimers or dementia 10 years earlier It is the mercury and aluminium plus lots of other stuff which will mess up your immunity. Ill get Alzheimers or dementia 10 years earlier than what? How could you possibly know if I will ever suffer from dementia, or when Im due to get it? If youve figured out what causes dementia, then you know more about it than the top medical researchers in the world. I dont think they were even looking into immunocompromisation as a root cause for Alzheimers. You should probably get cracking on your Nobel prize acceptance speech, because youre about to take the medical community by storm. My immune system is perfectly healthy and functions just as well as your does. If I got the flu, Id be sick for a few days while my body fought the infection, and then Id recover so long as it wasnt a particularly virulent strain. But my octogenarian neighbor who was in the hospital over Thanksgiving probably wouldnt fare nearly as well. I dont get vaccinated just to protect myself. I do my part to protect the health of my community. It is a simple, selfless act that helps keep babies, the sick and the elderly healthy. Not everyone can be vaccinated. It is up to the rest of us to do our part to help keep herd immunity up. Everyone else is freeloading off those who vaccinate. Im not sure why youre calling me a troll, unless youre one of those people who only wants to have discussions with people that share your views. Are you also accusing me of being a guy? You arent the first person to do that, but I honestly dont understand why. Ive seen plenty of other female Disqus users, and havent noticed anyone else getting that accusation. Perhaps I just dont pay that close attention anymore. Its gotten to the point where Id much rather spend my time reading kindle books than wasting my time on the same arguments that go nowhere. THIS IS IDIOCY ANYONE IS FREE TO GET THEMSELVES VAXXED AND IF IT WORKS THE UNVACCINATED CANNOT AFFECT THEM so you are not helping others at all in fact you will be SHEDDING the disease onto the whole population Mercury and Aluminium from vaccination will give you dementia and Alzheimers HERD IMMUNITY IS A FALLACY since you can spread a disease even if you have been vaccinated and even with natural immunity My immune system is great on no vaccination . A vaccine would have knocked down your octogenarian neighbour since it would inject live pathogens into the old dear. Only the paid would spout the usual pro vax nonsense while wisely avoiding vaccination themselves. NEWSMAX :- Although flu shots are promoted as safe, thats not true, says holistic family physician Dr. David Brownstein. Flu shots contain several suspect ingredients, including the carcinogen formaldehyde, and many contain mercury in the form of thimerosal. Mercury is one of the most poisonous substances known to mankind, Dr. Brownstein tells Newsmax Health. It is a potent neurotoxin and is associated with a host of neurological and immune system problems. Mercury should never be injected into any living human being. A study published by the National Institutes of Health stated: Mercury is a highly toxic element; there is no known safe level of exposure. Ideally, neither children nor adults should have any mercury in their bodies because it provides no physiological benefit. Yet, the FDA allows it to be put in flu shots given to pregnant women, children, and the elderly all known to be most at risk for neurological damage, says Dr. Brownstein, editor of the newsletter Dr. David Brownsteins Natural Way to Health, Thimerosal, a preservative found in many flu shots, is 50 percent mercury. Its different, and much more harmful, than the type of mercury found in fish. While the FDA warns against eating more than two servings of fish weekly because of the danger of mercury, it allows this more toxic form to be added to flu shots (and other vaccines). The only reason thimerosal is added is as a preservative in multi-dose vials. Newsmax Health? Why not quote Natural News or whale*dot*to while youre at it? Then again, you could get all your health and medical information from the NEJM or the Onion and either way it would make no difference; you clearly lack a basic understanding of chemistry. The deep sea fish health officials are warning people against eating in large quantities contain high concentrations of methyl mercury, which is more toxic than the ethyl mercury found in Thimerosal. This is verifiable information, and I have no doubt its been pointed out to you already, so you must be willfully skirting around the facts to support your failing argument. Ive only ever received inactivated flu vaccines, so I did not shed the virus and I certainly would not be doing so now (this flu seasons shot came out in late August). I am not opposed to live attenuated flu vaccines, I just havent any experience with them. You are incorrect when you say that anyone can be vaccinated. Some people are allergic to ingredients in vaccines; people with certain medical conditions like cancer, recent organ or tissue transplants and certain autoimmune disorders cannot be vaccinated. Newsflash- people employed by the CDC, the NIH, the FDA and pharmaceutical companies are amongst the most vaccinated people on the planet. Their kids are fully vaccinated, on schedule. There is no moustache twirling going on here. Dr. Brownstein on the other hand, is a quack and a fraud. I agree with him that the best way to optimal health is through proper diet and regular exercise. But he loses all credibility when he tells the story of his patient Ellis (who turns out to be his FATHER) who reversed his high cholesterol, angina, clogged arteries, heart disease and obesity without changing his diet. And his claim that 40% of the entire human population suffers from hypothyroidism, but that the blood tests arent detecting it is BS. Thats what every obese person wants to hear- that they dont need to change the way they eat- just fix the thyroid problem that their doctor told them they dont have. Im sure it gets him plenty of page views so he can make bank selling lies to desperate people. I feel dirty for having checked out his site. AL GET THAT MAKE UP OFF lol Ethyl mercury turns into methyl mercury in the body and they are both deadly they kill and maim so your argument is fallacious . Eating methyl mercury is 1000s of times safer than injecting 100% into the blood . There is no such thing as dead flu virus ALL virus are technically dead until they wake up and enter your cells ! A virus is NOT alive nor can you attenuate it you dont even know what it means . The pharma boys and their children do not get vaccinated you are trolling anecdotes Okay, Betty, you can call me Al. Arguing with you is getting boring, but before I write you off, pharmaceutical company employees DO vaccinate their kids. Wired did an article last year on the vaccination rates at the daycare centers at large bay area companies and both Gilead Sciences and Genentech (a fully owned subsidiary of Roche) were near the top of the list. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7cda71c2683a8ac4bf043aaa78d4f429d4aaf7014915600132f5a0a3df5fdb3e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a25f8517a3c0f1c0292cc69f304e42d216c7f9514e6511a7cfaf791998bfe182.jpg Im sure youll come up with some crazy conspiracy theory to make the pieces mesh with your delusions. IF CHILDREN OF PHARMA EMPLOYEES ARE SUBTLY COERCED TO GET VACCINATED THEN THAT IS MORE VACCINE DAMAGE SO HOW DOES THIS SOLVE THE PROBLEM ???????? duh https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b72d60108c85d91624c10ed29a7b4e2a282604bd3bc2bbd81f3be1640e89be96.jpg Ever think about how getting everyone in the 99% sick as you simultaneously force them into socialized medicine actually works against the evil global elitist scheme to which you subscribe . noof course you havent. GFYS Lots of conspirotard ad hominem babble . No answer or explanation of the glaring contradiction in logic Like I said. As long as you have your boogeyman ..it doesnt have to make sense. doesnt make sense to an idiot Exactly making sense isnt a criteria for a conspirotard. Your ability to spew cliche after cliche after cliche is impressive though Edward. Have nice Holidaysget in touch with the familytheyre worried about youtry to get back on your medsta-ta Exactly making sense isnt a criteria for conspirotards. Your ability to spew cliche after cliche after cliche is quite impressive Edward. Have nice Holidays.. get in touch with familythey worry about you as always.. try to get back on your medsTa. In my opinion, this is the period in which Obama is most dangerous! Hes very sly with signing EOs under your nose! He now has to pound the final hammer of his agenda before leavingas less than 2 mos. Hes not only desperate, hes angry! BAD combination, I smell last minute revenge of some kind! Trump can override the order with a Nobody Needs A Rat poison Injection exec order himself . Cant wait when Trump has the FBI slap cuffs on this monkey So? Now we will all be subject to whatever they choose to put in the needle, by regal command? Sounds like a carte blanche for eliminating anybody deemed inconvenient. This one needs dumping, immediately, Donald! yeh vaccinations, be sure those youngsters get poisoned! How many end up dead or stricken with diseases because of the vaccination? No doubt a Hillary win was expected. This is the ultimate war people. Your lives and your kids lives are depending on this. We cant sit on our hands and let this happen. Would anyone care to show us all, where within the Constitution it grants the authority for executive orders? I cant seem to locate it. Further; 16 AM Jur 2d (Volume 16 American Jurisprudence, second series) section 177 on Constitutional Law, which states: I hope President Trump nullifies this thing. This goes against all the principles of freedom of choice, very Big Brother-like. Good nutrition and proper Hygiene concepts are a better way to defeat the bugs that go around every year, many probably spread by the idiots that take all the vaccines. If you have had a shot of some kind, please stay away from me for a week or two or at least have the courtesy to notify me you may be a Carrier. I havent been ill for a long time, no vaccines since forced to in Childhood. I call getting the Flu my AIDS Test. If it doesnt kill me, I guess I dont have AIDS. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/218c1730cdc28a9d5bb7c018baa21d7713f31d12e19755bbbb25b891bfe700a4.jpg I thought ingestion was very different from injection? Of course. Would you dare drink that biological/industrial chemical soup? If not, then why would you want to inject it? Hmmlets see: Im going to slough off some skin cells in the course of eating so human diploid cells. (By the way, excipents (sp) =/= ingredients). If not, then why would you want to inject it? Sigh. You realize that there might be entirely pragmatic concerns that dont apply to injectionslike.I dunno, it probably wouldnt taste very nice? Alright, lets see what youve got. Porcine gelatin You know this is just jelly from a pig, right? But sure, Id eat that. Beta-proplactaine is specifically for sterilizing medical things. I wouldnt eat Germaline either but I have no qualms against using the stuff on a skinned knee. You know whats rich in calcium chloride? Brine. So sure, Ill get something in brine and drink the brine afterwards. Centromium bromide is again, an antiseptic. Disodium Phosphate sure, its used as an emulsifer in certain cheeses. ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid commonly turns up in seafood as an anti discoloring agent.. So sure, I have no qualms eating seafood. Formaldehyde yes, gladly. Pass the pear juice. Gentamicin is again, an antibotic. Hydrocortosine. Turns up in refined sugar, caffiene Kanamycine again, an antibotic. Why do you think this is relevant? Monopotassium phosophate used in salt subsitutes, often advertised as something like Lo-Salt or Lo-Sodium so far, Ive got as far as: Sure, seafood soup made with seafood-in-brine and Im drinking the brine and some pear juice. And sure, Ill add some Lo-Salt into my seafood soup. Monsodium phosophate its a texturing agent found in most foods. Not scared of it. Neomycin again, an antibotic. Octoxynol x 100 Beef is rich in the stuff. Ova albumin yes, Ill gladly add a couple of eggs to my meal. Ova albumin is the *whites* of the egg. Hey, Ill even eat the yolks too! Why are you scared of eggs? Phospate buffered Saline Sure. Lucozade. Polymyxin B see comments about Germaline. Polysorbate 80 yup! Its used to make ice-cream smooth and creamy. Potassium Chloride Chocolate Milk, eggnog and dozens more. Sodium Taurodeoxychloride already naturally in my body. Thiomersal Ill do you one better and eat methylmercury the kind that bioaccumulates. Seafood soup, remember? TCP Naturally found in fish, nuts, and leafy green vegetables. Vitamain E compounds. So essentially, what you have to do for this is blend eggs, seafood soup, pear juice, lo-salt, brine, Lucozade, refined sugar and porcine gelatine and some cheese together until its a milkshake or soup type thing and pour it into a cup. I mean, it likely wont taste very nice but that wont be a problem in real life since were injecting it. YOU ARE TALKING NONSENSE AGAIN EATING IS MUCH SAFER THAN INJECTION. BUT with vaccination you absorb 100%. So lets say you ate 1mg of aluminium per day 99% of which will be rejected. In a vaccine there is about 225 mcg of aluminium this is .225 of a miligram So this would be equivalent in a baby of eating 75000 x .225 ie 16875 mg Enough to poison anyone . But this is only the multiplied effect of injecting as opposed to eating there are thousands more biological effects of the .225 mcg x 50 jabs = 11.25 milligram being injected. No wonder there is autism if you add this to the mercury and the 100s of other toxins in that tube . Hi,vaccination does not cause Autism,if it did then what you are saying is that everyone who was vaccinated in the past should now be Autistic,myself included,and I can assure you,I am not Autistic. NO ITS NOT 100% AS YOU PRETEND NOT TO KNOW IN AMERICA IT IS AROUND 1 IN 50 AND RISING BUT IT IS A SPECTRUM . You could be on the spectrum and thats maybe why you could not get employment and ended up trolling for baby death and injury sad case dumb dumb oops kevin Once the guv makes it mandatory for adults and you get your 70 you will be in a medical care facility . Perhaps you are the one with a problem because it seems that you are getting mixed up as to whom you are talking to,Me or Nom. But at this stage what does it matter you are one of a kind or two of a one or one of the same lol If your criteria for sockpuppet is disagrees with n-worder then about 90% of people vax their kids so. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.png AUTISM IS CAUSED BY VACCINES YOUR PICTURE PROVES ITS BETTER TO HAVE A LOW VACCINATION RATE LIKE THE UK COS IN AMERICA IN 2012 AUTISM IS ONE IN 68 :- FROM THE CDC Five Important Facts to Know :- 1. The estimated percentage of children with ASD remains high. About 1 in 68 or 1.5% of children were identified with ASD based on tracking in 11 communities across the United States in 2012. According to previous reports, the percentage of children identified with ASD increased between 2002 and 2010. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1c0f390d97acd913c5425bf9f1735c912a1fceca09617189431b6d3d6ac99a22.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/979a7591fcb9d270e9da429faad9e056962f7a4c458cd8a346b0384bb30b2c13.jpg GO TO THE UK WITH LESS VACCINATION AND EASY OPT OUTS JUST SAY NO TO AUTISM DONT GET VACCINATED LOOK AT THE ABOVE AND COMPARE TO AMERICAS AUTISM RATE NOW AT 1 IN 50 EVEN AFTER THE CDC SUPPRESSING THE STATS . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e9b8c7ac84e79de71d44afe9e6924def8ffab0e63bc2e3d4970f1708b4a3655.jpg Thats very debatable. While youre right that vaccination doesnt cause autism, technically, Ron Roy has a point here you cant get there from here. Obviously, not every smoker gets lung cancer and that wont change the fact that smoking does cause lung cancer. Once again you are right.Listen whats with the Dumb Dumb,has Roy finally got into you. Nah, I just think its funny to change my nom de disqus to whatever the latest insult by Ron Roy, Ciaparker et al is. This latest nym is even better than grasshopper, padawan and neophyte, padawan! And its certainly entertaining to watch you continue to make a huge fool of yourself with your infantile and witless spam, demands for evidence of pmt., cites not sites and your erred overuse of the philosophical fallacies/onus! The bop CONTINUES to be on the vax manufax, whove made the ORIGINAL claim that vax is safe. They need to conclusively prove that its safe without corruption and cois involved. They cant since it ISNT! Youre just the shill that keeps on giving, dumb dumb! Ok I am waiting in anticipation as to what will be my new name. Probably something like Shill or maybe Troll. What about dumb dumbs dumb dumb Nah has no character Nah to common,I will wait for a fancy one. Natural News is good at fancy namecalling. Seven dwarfs trolls satans minionsevil little bastards Evidence besides they disagree with eddysachs? GFYS If thats go find it yourself, I suggest you learn how the burden of proof works. I can just picture Roy rubbing his hands together and saying to himself I got him Dumb Dumb You do realize that you have to change your name,he will never let you live it down. you havent thought this through. Take it up with Johnny Canuck, nworder since hes the one who went if you wouldnt eat these, why would you inject them? Have you corrected for the fact that people eat more often? I have eaten all my life but one vaccine such as hep B can kill a child in a DAY . Hey kid you eat often would you like 70 mercury and aluminium vaccines lol Fish and vanilla flavouring. Again, not scared. She n.d.d. [padawan][jenny higgs] is a 12 yr. old neurodiversie, still living with mommy and daddy, who does nothing but play on internet commentaries with her spammy memes and erred philosophical fallacies, trying to sound smart, day and night! Prove it please. 17 DEATHS AFTER HEP B VAX DR MERCOLA :- Further, serious side effects and even deaths have also been reported following receipt of this vaccine, including eight recent newborn deaths in China. Over a period of two months, eight infants in China died within hours, and in some cases minutes, of receiving hepatitis B vaccines. In all, 17 deaths among Chinese children aged 5 and younger have been reported following hepatitis B vaccines administered in late 2013. China Investigates Makers of Hepatitis B Vaccine After Baby Deaths Six of the deaths occurred in infants who had received the vaccine made by Shenzhen Kangtai Biological Products, while two occurred after hepatitis B vaccine produced by drug maker Beijing Tiantan Biological Products (shares of this company plunged by up to 10 percent following media reports of the deaths). After =/= because. PMID numbers, please. Why does he keep calling you Kevin? I am Kevin. He thinks that were sockpuppets of the same person. REALLY or are you pulling my leg? YOU ARE MANY SOCKPUPPETS OF THE SAME PERSON Sorry, the aluminum in vaccines is not going to affect the cognitive development of children. See ALUMINUM NEUROTOXICITY IN PRETERM INFANTS RECEIVING INTRAVENOUS FEEDING SOLUTIONS. N. BISHOP PMID: 9164811 OF COURSE A TOXIN LIKE ALUMINIUM WILL AFFECT COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT IF GIVEN BY IV . OF COURSE A TOXIN LIKE ALUMINIUM WILL AFFECT COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT IF GIVEN BY IV The evidence says youre wrong. Sorry. OF COURSE A TOXIN LIKE ALUMINIUM WILL AFFECT COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT IF GIVEN BY IV . Ummgiven that vaccines are administered IM or SCone must ask: What is your point here? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/039edfd0b996c489314b85f22ec813978c0bc18fe740027cfef2ee465df001c4.jpg YES AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE WITH ITS HIGHEST VACCINATION RATE. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c318290813f882580d8e725bf513c0ef6aa60634d1ccba5325da58aebf065a47.jpg YOU MUST HAVE FAKED THE GRAPHS TO INCLUDE NATIONS AT WAR , OR WITH FAMINE OR WITH DROUGHT OR WITH HUNGER YOU ARE A CUNNING TROLL NCBI AND ALSO PUB MED : (read the rest ) AMERICA HAS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH INFANT DEATHS (SIDS) Abstract : from NCBI The US childhood immunization schedule specifies 26 vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 yearthe most in the worldyet 33 nations have lower IMRs. Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of r = 0.70 (p 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants. Nations were also grouped into five different vaccine dose ranges: 1214, 1517, 1820, 2123, and 2426. The mean IMRs of all nations within each group were then calculated. Using the Tukey-Kramer test, statistically significant differences in mean IMRs were found between nations giving 1214 vaccine doses and those giving 2123, and 2426 doses. A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs is essential. Keywords: infant mortality rates, sudden infant death, SIDS, immunization schedules, childhood vaccines, drug toxicology, synergistic effects, linear regression model Evidence for I must have faked the graph please. AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE OF ALL DEVELOPED NATIONS DUE TO ITS HIGHEST VACCINATION RATES. You have so many countries on the right I cant see the print and you have included countries with famine , wars (caused by america mainly) , countries in drought , poverty Nope. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7a0eddd469d70f442fc9138566d6c4bb8c4ef72dad3f9fcb1be19987a0e16c9.gif BUT THAT GRAPH IS DECEIVING SINCE INFANT MORTALITY FELL ALL OVER THE WORLD DUE TO BETTER NUTRITION AND SANITATION , HYGIENE NOW AMERICA IS 56TH ON THE LIST BEHIND CUBA LOL :- THE ATLANTIC :_ WE , AMERICA ARE NUMBER 56, sandwiched between Serbia and Poland; Monaco, which has the lowest infant-mortality rate at 1.8 deaths per 1,000, is doing more than three times better. DUMB DUMB YOU ARE TRASHED WITH THIS PUBMED RESEARCH THE TYPE OF EVIDENCE YOU SAY YOU LOVE LOL AMERICA HAS HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE CORRELATING WITH THE SHEER NUMBER OF TOXIC JABS PUBMED :- Based on the types of vaccines reported, the actual number of vaccine doses administered, from 1 to 8, was summed for each case. Linear regression analysis of hospitalization rates as a function of (a) the number of reported vaccine doses and (b) patient age yielded a linear relationship with r(2) = 0.91 and r(2) = 0.95, respectively. The hospitalization rate increased linearly from 11.0% (107 of 969) for 2 doses to 23.5% (661 of 2817) for 8 doses and decreased linearly from 20.1% (154 of 765) for children aged 0.1 year to 10.7% (86 of 801) for children aged 0.9 year. The rate ratio (RR) of the mortality rate for 5-8 vaccine doses to 1-4 vaccine doses is 1.5 (95% confidence interval (CI), 1.4-1.7), indicating a statistically significant increase from 3.6% (95% CI, 3.2-3.9%) deaths associated with 1-4 vaccine doses to 5.5% (95% CI, 5.2-5.7%) associated with 5-8 vaccine doses. The male-to-female mortality RR was 1.4 (95% CI, 1.3-1.5). Our findings show a positive correlation between the number of vaccine doses administered and the percentage of hospitalizations and deaths. Since vaccines are given to millions of infants annually, it is imperative that health authorities have scientific data from synergistic toxicity studies on all combinations of vaccines that infants might receive. Finding ways to increase vaccine safety should be the highest priority. It already is. LIKE BILL GATES NON POLIO POLIO PARALYSES in thousands of children after vaccination by the depopulator in chief . 1)All you have to do is get a hold of the stool sample and prove it contains the polio virus. 2)After =/= because of. GATES IS USING THIS VACCINE TO DEPOPULATE AFRICA , INDIA In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals. Despite indisputable proof that vaccines do nothing to prevent disease, brainwashed pediatricians insist that it is unwise and a health risk to have unvaccinated children. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c196e173790f0a7029d7ed030ad470b4bdeef3b5b73a8f57459ce99b575c240.jpg Please show me where I can read Jonas Salks testimony. Despite indisputable proof that vaccines do nothing to prevent disease, brainwashed pediatricians insist that it is unwise and a health risk to have unvaccinated children. Sharing this induspitable proof would be a start but you do realize that only being caused by the oral polio vaccine is impossible if vaccines dont work. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals. POLIO INCREASES WITH VACCINATION :- TRUTH WIKI :- He may have known this would happen all along, based on the fraud and misrepresentation he was taking part in. Large scale vaccination is a failure, and nobody can review the statistics because the CDC scrubs them from record. Several respected scientists now believe the Salk and Sabin vaccines could be responsible for the major increase in leukemia in the United States, by combining and increasing strains, creating new forms of the disease using monkey kidneys. In the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health (August of 1997), it says that more than fifty percent of children lamed by poliomyelitis had already received THREE DOSES of oral polio vaccine BEFORE the onset of paralysis. Still the March of Dimes will have one believe that polio is a rampant and violent crippler of a disease that can spread like wildfire and that the only way to be safe from it is to be injected with experimental combinations of wildly selected strains mixed with formaldehyde and aluminum. Since 1950, polio outbreaks have mainly been caused by intensified diphtheria and whooping cough vaccinations and other pharmaceutical injections. There is even a name for it provocation poliomyelitis. (7) What does the very first page of VAERs say? This is why the mortality rate is so much higher in undeveloped countries:It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa, Evidence, please. TAKE MISSISSIPPI OK GET VACCINATED FOR MEASLES AND DIE :- According to a 2010 CDC report on infant mortality, Mississippi led the USA with 9.62 infant deaths per 1,000 live births (1). Gleefully, anti-vaxxers point out multiple references showing Mississippi also leads the nation in vaccinating children, with rates at or better than 99.9% overall. For example see references (2) and (3). As a scientist, Im forced to concede facts, and here we have one: the state with the best vaccination record is also losing children at the highest rate. You should know better than to fail to control for confounders as a scientist. Hint: Is Mississippi a wealthy state? STOP UPTICKING YOURSELF it does not work There are plenty of poor areas in the world much poorer than american states that have lower infant death rates ie IN 36 nations lol. 1)Please show me where my name appears in my upvotes. 2)Similiar areas in the UK but with better survival due to less vaccination. Huh. How did you control for universal healthcare. 3) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c318290813f882580d8e725bf513c0ef6aa60634d1ccba5325da58aebf065a47.jpg AMERICA IS NO 56TH ON THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH GRAPH CAUSED BY VACCINATION :- In a global context, the current goal still represents a woefully low bar, with the U.S. lagging far behind other wealthy nations in terms of infant mortality. According to a report published last week by the Centers for Disease Control, out of the 34 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation (24 European nations, plus Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, Korea, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, the United States, and Turkey), the U.S. ranks 27. Worldwide, Were number 56, sandwiched between Serbia and Poland; Monaco, which has the lowest infant-mortality rate at 1.8 deaths per 1,000, is doing more than three times better. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c318290813f882580d8e725bf513c0ef6aa60634d1ccba5325da58aebf065a47.jpg None of that answers the questions I asked, nworder. Who ever the stupid individuals are that would be tasked to do the inoculation procedure, they would have to ask themselves, am I willing to possibly/probably die in order to get this done ? That`s what they would be facing, in at least one instance. This is why we have the 2nd Amendment. Vaccines causing diseases from autism to cancer. Please point me to the PMID number of Dr Tenpennys research. PMID Yeah right. As if the MEDICAL MAFIA would allow anything negative concerning vaccines to have that exposure. Go to WHALE / VACCINE and find out the truth about vaccines. Or ANYWHERE, minus her neophyte notions and myopic mind! These satanic minions are the same witless sociopaths that load up on aspartame or sugar sodas scarf down GMO Doritos murder kill people in the mid east from the comfort of their Drone chairs.30 yr old virgins living in their parents basements pathetic POS really I hear ya Suz Geez, Ronald.. at least you are consistent in being consistently wrong at every turn in these discussions.. Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma. J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2008 Mar;121(3):626-31. doi: 10.1016/j.jaci.2007.11.034. Epub 2008 Jan 18. Dont get too excited, though. And Ill leave pointing out the limitations of the study as an exercise for you. Well, that is..if you are up to the task. As the parrot squawks! Another witless quote/redirect from someone else whos NOT parrot Pro, but POSTED by parrot Pro! No need to point out your limitations for having an original thought in your brain, but your leaving is certainly appreciated! No need to point out your limitations for having an original thought in your brain, but your leaving is certainly appreciated! Aw! You kiddies are up late tonight! Ridiculous, repetitive redundancy, parrot Pro! Fits you like a glove. Actually, it fits parrot Pro. which is why I wrote and directed it to you! repetitive redundancy LOL RIDICULOUS repetitive redundancy! Thank you very much! Are you sure its not recurrent repeated repetitive redundancy? Im quite sure that I said ridiculous repetitive redundancy in this particular instance, and with good cause. However, I likely have used recurrent repetitive redundancy in the past. Now you can take your b0ner and go hump someone elses leg! Studies conducted by the MEDICAL MAFIA should always be viewed with suspicion because we all know what happens to anyone who would dare do or say anything that would harm the profits of one of the MAFIA families. condescending POS Positively Omniscient Soul? Thank you.. you are too kind, sir. As if the MEDICAL MAFIA would allow anything negative concerning vaccines to have that exposure. Already disproved Ron. Journals publish articles which are critical of vaccines. So either youre simply wrong or the medical mafia doesnt exist. The medical mafia does not exist thats as daft as saying the mafia does not exist VACCINATION IS BIG MONEY BIGGER THAN MOST BUSINESS CRIMINALS ARE IN THERE AND BRIBING BENT POLITICIANS LIKE PAN TO FORCE US TO PAY THE PROTECTION MONEY TO THESE GANGSTERS IN ORDER TO LOSE OUR HEALTH WITH A FORCED JAB. AND YOU ARE A CREEPY , SNIVELING TROLL LICKING THE PHARMA EXECUTIVES $1000 BOOTS for a pittance , losing your soul into the bargain. Lifes too short get a proper job and breath some fresh air thats as daft as saying the mafia does not exist or criminals dont exist or autism doesnt exist False analogy. See for that to be true you would have to present as much evidence for the existence of the medial mafia as there is for the normal mafia. Anyway the point here is that this was a logical consequence of Rons argumentEither he is wrong and the medical mafia exists and lets people write vaccine critical articles for journals OR there is no medical mafia. Many brave researchers and medical men write critical articles against vaccination like Dr Wakefield see how the criminal gangster medical mafia tried to wipe him out. How could the medical mafia stop every critical article although they will try to gut anyone that threatens their $ trillion plus monopoly . How could the medical mafia stop every critical article Again this is Ron Roys assertion not mine. Im just pointing out how wrong it is. What utter nonsense you talk. You mean Ron Roy. These are all his ideas that you are criticizing. gottaluv that smug witless mug of yours with your head waaay up where the sun dont shine spineless worm Yeah! I mean, if there were a problem with a vaccine like Rotashield, wed never hear about it right? Theyd just cover it up and keep selling it. Just like they did with the 2009 seasonal flu vaccine Pandremix. Oh, wait. Never mind. We need to get some doctors thatwe trust to know whats really in these vaccines. And what will you do if nothing happens after theyve done this? Before the mandate of these shots for the public, the administration must certify that every person in the judicial, legislative and executive branch (without any waivers) has been given the identical shots. :) all for chipping purposes.dont kid your self, not only toxins, but to chip peopleyes do your research people..Not going to happen to mein Cali they are already chippping the kids, through mandatory vaccinesthank you moon beam Jerry Brown https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/537c403e44d24a431256f772e0232f14ea0c61d0744724c3cec8f4f93a8afad0.png yes, I have been more healthy since rejecting ms medicine,,,in fact was highly allergic to most, even asprin, my immune system, is stronger for itI am now 64 and I am not on any medicine and the last taken was when I was in the hospital 15 years ago and nearly died to a antibiotic given me. It was then decided by the Drs. that any medicine given from that day forward would probably kill memy system that is the immune system has strengthen ever since. There is a reason we have an immune system in the first place any chemicals induced compromises itand deflates what was designed in the first place. I have not had the flu, or cold in 23 years. What do you think chemicals are? Formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, Thimerosal (mercury), and polysorbate 80? The question asked for a definition. Doesnt state that specifically. Chemicals are chemical things like whats found in vaccines like :- dumb and dumber Nope. Chemicals are the building blocks that make up everything. IMAGINE THAT WE LEARNED THAT IN PRIMARY SCHOOL AND YOUVE Yes, this is my point. Youre lying about things you damn well know better about it. Why is that? Ill take no chemicals, I eat food out of my own gardenno gmos no pesticides, I use vinigar for cleaning. Natural glycerin as soapif it is in the ground it is naturalworks for meif you like your chemicals, you can keep your chemicals Blessedtoserve, what do you think the food in your garden is made of? It is all organicdid you not read no gmos, no pesticides no chemicals, cow manure is used and natural supplements, natural bugs are used, i.e. worms, ladybugs, and praying mantisis there is no chemicals in my foodfood is not chemicals the soil is directly from farmers who have irradicated in parasites or other minerals, it is completely free from all until added, once two to three harvest, soil is returned and sterilized again for new plantingfood is not chemicals. Food is not chemicals. Yes, it is. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4aab49f98b317fcb6301a7e1b1ce3642a992d3b5fd51758b5aef287b30bebe30.jpg I can see why you call yourself dumb dumbanother thing you cant fix stupidthat should be your middle name. Whats H2O? A chemical or a drink? BlessedtoServe: I can see why you call yourself dumb dumbanother thing you cant fix stupidthat should be your middle name. But, has also said this.. BlessedtoServe: As a Christian we are here to help one another in always learningnothing more but if you take positive criticism in the wrong wayI am not responsible for that. .. You preach Love, but demonstrate otherwise. Let me finish with some more of BlessedtoServes words.. Have a Blessed Day, BlessedtoServe.. you divinely inspired hypocrite. boy you are stretching it.living right here in the organic capital of farmers.organic means, chemical free foodslook it up.what you list is probably been sprayed, put into the soil or systemic control of bugs, etc look up organic..and do some researchor is it too much work, and if you take water H20 AND filter itwith zero chems or mins it is free of toxins. I have looked it up theres no such thing as chemical free foods. There is only food that advertisers want you to think is chemical free. Know what would happen if you really ate a chemical free diet? Youd starve. Apples have more chemicals than lovehearts. only if you use chemicals to grow thembut then again I dont eat applesor for that matter any fruitI dont eat sugarI grow my own foodadvertisers can advertise all they want I dont buy their food Only if you use chemicals to grow them. I assume you water your plants to grow them? its called hydroponicswith water that is sterilized and organic nutrients addedany soil used is also sterilized and organic nutrients add, elimination of disease and pesticides as well as only minimal organic nutrients used to grow the plants,.being in the argriculture capital of the USA, with PHDs in the field, I believe they know a little more than youI think I will listen to them as apposed to a random anonymous poster such as youself. Wow the shills and sock puppets are doing their usual gang attack. You seem to be doing well though. BlessedtoServe mumbled, if it is in the ground it is naturalworks for me You mean like in the ground and natural like oil, natural gas, uranium, bauxite, asbestos, cinnabar, galena, etc.? REALITY WHO IS ACTUALLY A DUMB DUMB ALIAS is continuing to get off on his great knowledge of chemicals lol and of cliches on the word chemical. Eg I call supermarket cakes chemical cakes but that does not mean they are not made of chemicals it just implies they are full of unnatural junk for a cake. Are you getting excited in your basement Dumb Dumb communicating your incredible intellect lol to the attractive Blessed better reread that.did I say specifically if it is in the ground.no I dont believe I didbut go ahead.and ASSume your own understanding or comprehensionfar be it for me to enlighten you. Carry on. BlessedtoServe, being off her meds, drooled, better reread that.did I say specifically if it is in the ground.no I dont believe I did Yes. Yes you did say that specifically. Here is your entire post quoted for your faulty memory: Jesus hates liars, BlessedtoServe (A humble Servant of God). Readers may once again ask: so let me say this I use the Bible to use medicinal medicineand I am not a liar but hey you can say anything you want.you are a man and your words have no weight with meHowever, too many banter around, liar hypocrite etc I suggest you do more work regarding vaccines. I have seen too many deaths, regarding them. These are personal experiencesand their is one thing I detestwhen another denies another of their personal experiences and what one has seen with their own eyes. And another thing is people such as yourself, are always looking to attack TROLLS ARE PAID TO LIE AND THEY KNOW THEY ARE LYING FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF INFANT HEALTH REVELATIONS :- You use acetic acid solution????? Granted, a weak one but its still a chemical. No but keep guessingyou are indeed making me laugh with your ignorance. Did you use vinegar or not? Natural madenot man madeare you ChristianGod made the earth..with all the resources to use in His natural formMan likes to take things and think they know better and always fail to see their short comings its called A God complexyou know like allot of Drs have that is where the terms comes from. I take no man made chemical..anything that man has processed I will not use. Not even an aspirin. Now here is a list of vinegaracetic acid that has medicinal purposes. Vinegar is one of the best natural cleaning agents there is, and this is largely due to its antimicrobial properties. When added to food, the organic acids in vinegar (especially the acetic acid) pass into cell membranes to kill bacteria. Foods fermented with vinegar have a natural arsenal of antimicrobial organic acids, including acetic, lactic, ascorbic, citric, malic, propionic, succinic, and tartaric acids. One study found acetic acid to be lethal to even E. coli O157:H7, while other research has shown substances such as acetic acid, lemon juice, or a combination of lemon juice and vinegar to be effective against salmonella.3 2. Antioxidant Effects Antioxidants are a class of molecules that are capable of inhibiting the oxidation of another molecule. Antioxidants play a significant role in your health, as they can control how fast you age by fighting free radicals that result in oxidative stress. Polyphenols and vitamins in many different types of vinegar help ward off oxidative stress due to their potent antioxidant properties. Examples of antioxidants in apple cider vinegar, for instance, include catechin, epicatechin, and gallic, caffeic, and chlorogenic acids. 3. Anti-Diabetic Effects Vinegar is said to be anti-glycemic and has a beneficial effect on blood sugar levels. Its thought that the acetic acid in vinegar may lower blood sugar by preventing the complete digestion of complex carbohydrates, which is accomplished either by accelerating gastric emptying or increasing the uptake of glucose by bodily tissues.4 One theory is that vinegar might inactivate some of the digestive enzymes that break down carbohydrates into sugar, thus slowing the conversion of complex carbohydrate into sugar from a meal into your bloodstream. This gives your body more time to pull sugar out of your blood, preventing your sugar levels from spiking. Quite a bit of research supports the use of vinegar as a diabetic treatment as well. One study found that vinegar treatment improved insulin sensitivity in 19 percent of individuals with type 2 diabetes and 34 percent of those with pre-diabetes.5 4. Cancer The antioxidant content of vinegar may make it useful against cancer, and a traditional Japanese rice vinegar called Kurosu has shown particular promise for reducing cancer risk.6 Kurosu vinegar has been found to inhibit the growth of a variety of cancer cells, including colon, lung, breast, bladder, and prostate. Kibizu, a sugar cane vinegar from Japan, has been shown in cell studies to inhibit the growth of leukemia cells, while consuming vinegar may even reduce the risk of esophageal cancer.7 5. Weight Loss Vinegar may help you lose weight, as it appears to have an anti-obesity effect by increasing satiety and reducing the total amount of food consumed. For instance, when volunteers consumed two tablespoons of red raspberry vinegar daily for four weeks they lost weight, while those who consumed the same amount of cranberry juice gained it. Further, in separate research, people who consumed a small amount of vinegar along with a high-carb meal (a bagel and juice) consumed less food for the remainder of the day. The reduction equated to about 200 to 275 calories a day an amount that would result in a monthly weight loss of up to 1.5 pounds.8 6. Heart Health Vinegar supports heart health in multiple ways. As explained in the Journal of Food Science:9 Polyphenols such as chlorogenic acid, which is present in high levels in apple cider vinegar, could inhibit oxidation of LDLs and improve health by preventing cardiovascular diseases. It also appears to help lower blood pressure. One study showed that vinegar could lower cholesterol in laboratory rats,10 while another study on rats found their blood pressure could be lowered by the acetic acid in vinegar.11 7. Heartburn and Acid Reflux Acid reflux typically results from having too little acid in your stomach. You can easily improve the acid content of your stomach by taking one tablespoon of raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar in a large glass of water daily. 8. Injuries Mother of vinegar, a cobweb-like amino acid-based substance found in unprocessed, unfiltered vinegar, has antibacterial properties that may help to heal burn injuries. The intake of acetic acid bacteria (AAB) may also help to reduce muscle damage caused by inflammation after exercise.12 9. Brain Health Its been suggested that vinegar consumption might improve cognitive function in humans, and research shows that acetic acid bacteria do, in fact, produce precursors of important building blocks of brain tissues called sphingolipids.13 10. Increased Nutrient Absorption Vinegar is high in acetic acid. Like other acids, acetic acid can increase your bodys absorption of important minerals from the foods you eat. Therefore, it is possible that drinking a mild tonic of vinegar and water just before meals might improve your bodys ability to absorb the essential minerals locked in foods. Or, adding vinegar to your salad dressing might help you absorb more nutrients from your leafy greens. Lol. Aectic acid is a chemical. a natural one.not man made. WOW DUMB DUMB IS SO INTELLIGENT HE KNOWS THAT VINEGAR IS A CHEMICAL OR MORE CORRECTLY CHEMICALS Vinegar and glycerin contain chemicals. Glycerol /lsrl/ (also called glycerine or glycerin; see spelling differences) is a simple polyol (sugar alcohol) compound. It is a colorless, odorless, viscous liquid that is sweet-tasting and non-toxic. It is widely used in the food industry as a sweetener and humectant and in pharmaceutical formulations. Key word folks in this discussion is toxinstoxins .when it is non toxic will it hurt you? Also called glycerol or glycerine, glycerin is present in all natural lipids (fats), whether animal or vegetable. Now go and look up vinegar to know it is non toxic as well and it is well used medicinallyand is better than anything a Dr. can prescribe for 1,000 of usesnon toxic.is the discussionvaccines have toxins. Key words folks in this discussion is this person knows nothing about chemistry. Neither do you dumb dumb You probably could have stopped after the word nothing. ANOTHER NEW TROLL IDENTITY FOR SHAY AND DUMB DUMB uh-huh. Your tinfoil hat appears to be loose. Key word is folks tend to think they know more than another, without knowing who they are posting with it so simple to exault one to a higher understanding while still not even finishing a BS degree Exault? Key word folks in this discussion is toxinstoxins .when it is non toxic will it hurt you? Casual readers, to answer this question, one need only look up hyponatremia. 1)So? Its still a chemical 2)Toxins. You mean like diptheria and pertussis toxins? 3)Yes. Sure it will. I mean, youd need a LOT but. listen first and foremost your avatar is dumb dumb it is apparent of why you chose thatnow alsowe know why you chose to chatise meall because of my nameall libs are programed to do soso go stroke your own intellectI have no desire to educated a geneticaly flawed human libbys have their own mental illness to contend withnothing anyone can cure thatstick with your illnessand leave the others alone What are you talking about, Blessedtoserve? I have corrected Ron Roy on his chemistry mistakes. You should be awarded an honorary PHD in chemistry lol hhe hhah hah Were talking about Blessedtoserves name and how it affects how I respond to her. Same assembly hall where you collect your honorary PHD in logic. Is water non-toxic? sure. Can water kill you? Yes. Approximately six to eight liters can kill you. So isnt toxicity a reference to the dose that you take rather than some innate property? BUT SOME THINGS ARE MORE TOXIC THAN OTHERS YOU CHUMP . SO WATER ESPECIALLY BY WEIGHT WILL BE MUCH LESS TOXIC DO YOU THINK YOU ARE IMPRESSING ANYONE WITH YOUR TROLL GUFF SAME GUFF OVER AND OVER OUT YOUR LITTLE BOOKLETS . EG ZINC , MAGNESIUM , CALCIUM , SODIUM ARE MUCH LESS TOXIC THAN MERCURY , ALUMINIUM , ETHYL MERCURY , DIMETHYL MERCURY AND METHYL MERCURY . BUT SOME THINGS ARE MORE TOXIC THAN OTHERS YOU CHUMP Odd talk from someone who cant see that dimethylmercury is more toxic than any other kind of mercury and instead needs to fantasize that the account of Karen Wetterhahn had been somehow altered. Some animals are more equal than others! WE CANT HAVE ANY EVENT SHOWING HOW TOXIC MERCURY REALLY IS WE CANT HAVE ANY EVENT SHOWING HOW TOXIC MERCURY REALLY IS So all the chemistry books are wrong, all the safety standards regarding work with non-diethylmercury are wrong. Ive watched people hold far more than a few drops of elemental mercury in their hands. Those must have been magic tricks. All the youtube videos showing people holding elemental mercury in their hands or submerging their hand in mercury are faked. .all so you can have a scary story to tell yourself. Instead of realizing that not all forms of mercury (or mercury containing compounds Just for you Dumb Dumb) are equally toxic. You know that Tin (Sn) is one of the safer metals around right? Do you realize there are organotins which are dangerous? No? The tin can from the 1950s is just as lethal as organotins? YOU HAVE NOW GONE TO ELEMENTAL MERCURY WHICH CAN STILL KILL IF INGESTED , BREATHED , OR INJECTED BUT WILL NOT GO THROUGH SKIN VERY FAST WE KNOW THIS BUT IT IS NOT WHAT YOU WERE DEBATING ON YOU SHOULD JUST STOP DIGGING INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TWIST IT THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT . BUT WILL NOT GO THROUGH SKIN VERY FAST So you recognize that some kinds of mercury are more lethal than others. Congratulations. You also lost this argument. Since clearly this form of mercury which you FINALLY ADMIT passes through skin/gloves easily. Is not at all comparable to what is injected and what is injected is a dose so different than the one received in this story. That you might as well be comparing the risk of drinking an 8 oz cup of water with a story about water toxicity. YES IT IS THE SAME AS THAT INJECTED INTO BABIES ETHYL METHYL MERCURY ARE MUCH MORE DANGEROUS INJECTED THAT ELEMENTAL MERCURY ON THE SKIN. ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TOXIC AND CAN KILL A GLASS OF WATER DRUNK CANNOT KILL YOU ARE A BLATHERING FOOL YES IT IS THE SAME AS THAT INJECTED INTO BABIES Nope. They are different in structure and exceptionally and wildly different in dose. ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TOXIC AND CAN KILL A GLASS OF WATER DRUNK CANNOT KILL Notice how you had to change topic mid sentence there? You had to change from referencing the compound to referencing a DOSE.. If you had said, All forms of mercury are toxic and can kill but not all forms of water drunk can kill. You would of course be incorrect because water can kill you. Just in different doses. IN YOUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO CONVINCE US THAT ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY ARE GREAT FOR BABIES YOU ARE LOOKING PRETTY FOOLISH. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT DRINKING A GLASS OF WATER WILL NOT HARM YOU AT ALL AND IS NEEDED FOR YOUR METABOLISM . Oh what a web we weave when we set out to deceive . IN YOUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO CONVINCE US THAT ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY ARE GREAT FOR BABIES YOU ARE LOOKING PRETTY FOOLISH. As Ive said before Im simply pointing out that your use of this story to talk about vaccines is ignorant. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT DRINKING A GLASS OF WATER WILL NOT HARM YOU AT ALL Again youre being deceptive by not mentioning that some doses of water are harmful. Oh what a web we weave when we set out to deceive . I guess you would know about deception since youve been nothing by shifty this whole time. Using stories which are not relevant, constantly omitting dosages from your statements, not using normalized units, pretending there are no differences between dimethylmercury and mercury compounds. The list goes, on and on and on. SINCE YOU LOST THE LOGIC YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT UP . YOU CAN DROWN IN WATER BUT THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH INJECTING ETHYL MERCURY INTO A BABY YOU CLOWN OF A TROLL ETHYL MERCURY IS UTTERLY DEADLY AS IS METHYL AND YOU HAVE ETHYL IN THE VACCINE TURNING INTO METHYL . A GLASS OF WATER IS NOT HARMFUL ITS NOT NOT NOT HARMFUL A glass of water is a dose which is not harmful. However that dose has more in common with the toxic dose of water than the dose of mercury compound (for you Dumb Dumb) in vaccines does with the dose of dimethymercury in our story. Ive already provided the math which clearly shows this. Which is why youve lost this argument. *vaccine doses Again. I stand corrected. YOU HAVE NOT CLEARLY SHOWN ANYTHING OTHER THAN MUDDLED THOUGHTS. THE TWO ARE NOT RELATED You related them when you chose an example of using an comparatively massive dose of dimethylmercury to the dose used in some vaccines. Saying we should be afraid of comparatively massive doses doesnt necessitate being afraid of small doses. In the same way that being afraid of massive doses of water shouldnt make us afraid of an 8 oz glass. Ive demonstrated using math that these are at least comparable. A MASSIVE DOSE OF DIETHYL MERCURY TO YOU BEING TWO DROPS ON A GLOVE WHICH KILLED A LAB ASSISTANT A MASSIVE DOSE OF DIETHYL MERCURY TO YOU BEING TWO DROPS ON A GLOVE WHICH KILLED A LAB ASSISTANT Relatively massive. Yes. Its relatively massive to the 50 mcg of thiomersal delivered in a multi-dose flu vaccine. Who wouldnt call 20mg relatively massive to 50 mcg? You do understand the difference between milligrams and micrograms right? IF YOU HAD READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS YOU WOULD REALISE THAT I DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MILLI AND MICRO IT IS THE METHOD OF DELIVERY AND THE VACCINES DELIVER 100% INTO THE BLOODSTREAM AND SINCE A BABY IS AT LEAST TEN TIMES LIGHTER THAN THE LAB ASSISTANT DELIVERS 10 TIMES MORE PER KG. AND AS YOU KNOW IT IS NOT ONE VACCINE BUT OVER 50 VACCINES . SKIN ABSORBS TOXINS BUT NOT 100% IN A MINUTE OR TWO AND A LAB GLOVE WOULD NOT LET 100% THROUGH IN SECONDS . IF YOU HAD READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS YOU WOULD REALISE THAT I DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MILLI AND MICRO I really cant see where you recognize that fact. If you do then you know that theres an immense difference between 20g and 50mcg. About a factor of 400. You would also know that there are so many things which are toxic at 400x the dose which is of little effect then you should know your example is irrelevant. SKIN ABSORBS TOXINS BUT NOT 100% IN A MINUTE OR TWO AND A LAB GLOVE WOULD NOT LET 100% THROUGH IN SECONDS . As stated we dont need 100% we just need 6%. BUT YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR MATHS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 16 GRAMS OR SOME CRAZY FIGURES EARLIER ON BEING SUCKED IN THROUGH A GLOVE AND THEN THE SKIN. THERES ANOTHER STRANGE THING I COULD ONLY FIND ANOTHER TWO OR SO TO BE KILLED BY THIS STUFF DI ETHYL MERCURY WHERE ARE THE REST ? IN AN ERA WITH NO PROTECTION HOW DID IT TAKE OVER 100 YEARS TO FIND IT GOES THROUGH A GLOVE ? BUT YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR MATHS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 16 GRAMS OR SOME CRAZY FIGURES EARLIER ON BEING SUCKED IN THROUGH A GLOVE AND THEN THE SKIN. Not really. You are probably just misreading. THERES ANOTHER STRANGE THING I COULD ONLY FIND ANOTHER TWO OR SO TO BE KILLED BY THIS STUFF DI ETHYL MERCURY WHERE ARE THE REST ? IN AN ERA WITH NO PROTECTION HOW DID IT TAKE OVER 100 YEARS TO FIND IT GOES THROUGH A GLOVE ? As usual you are making up stories to feed your delusion. Why would there need to be a lot of deaths? How frequently was this specific form of mercury used? The answer is not often at all. To the point that today, theres no practical use for it. It took me seconds to find records of five deaths. Two of which followed very close after discovery. I work for a living unlike you I have a job. It just happens to involve sitting at a computer. Which means spending 2 min to reply to you doesnt take much out of my day. An your employer allows that or your employer is lets say pro-vaccine? An your employer allows that Way back when you were working they didnt have coffee breaks? OMG is that your scam? So you did have coffee breaks or didnt? Lunch breaks too, but I never spent them shillin Neither do I. THERE IS NO PRACTICAL USE FOR IT SINCE THEY USE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES WHICH TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY BOTH INCREDIBLY TOXIC THERE IS NO PRACTICAL USE FOR IT Because it had few uses to begin with all of which have been replaced with mercury salts. SINCE THEY USE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES Thiomersal. Compound. Not the same. WHICH TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY Unlikely and methylmercury is not dimethylmercury. I AGREE WITH DR HILLEMAN WHY WOULD YOU PUT THE MOST TOXIC MERCURY COMPOUNDS NEAR A BABY OR INFANTS BRAIN In Section 5 on page 3, Dr. Hilleman rated the toxicity of mercury compounds as follows: Most toxic: Methyl and ethyl salts It is important to note that in addition to the three above-mentioned organizations, just about everybody else in the world of vaccination still seems to disagree with Dr. Hilleman, two decades later, regarding the serious toxicity of Thiomersal, an Ethyl Mercury compound used in vaccines. In Section 6 e on page 5: Hilleman added: For babies: The 25 g of mercury in a single 0.5 ml dose and extrapolated to a 6 lb baby would be 25X the adjusted Swedish daily allowance of 1.0 g for a baby if that size If 8 doses of thimerosal-containing vaccine were given in the first 6 months of life (3 DPT, 2 HIB and 3 Hepatitis B) the 200 g of mercury given, say an average size of 12 lbs would be about 87X the Swedish daily allowance of 2.3 g of mercury for a baby of that size Authorities screamed STOP NOW. It seems I have to remind you as to what is actually being argued here. Its the applicability of your story about a lab technician. You have not provided any evidence that showing that: i) The compounds are the same. So your story is irrelevant until you figure out how to actually make an argument. YOU DONT KNOW THE AMOUNT THAT WENT THROUGH THE LAB TECHNICIANS GLOVE AND SKIN SO YOU ARE IN THE DARK . I KNOW YOU DONT LIKE HILLEMANS CONCLUSION SINCE HE WAS A FIRST RATE HONEST RESEARCHER AND YOU ARE AN UNQUALIFIED TROLL WHO CANT GET A JOB. YOU DONT KNOW THE AMOUNT THAT WENT THROUGH THE LAB TECHNICIANS GLOVE AND SKIN Of course we do. We know the blood level. 4mg/L or 20mg body burden at T0. math! THE OVERALL BODY BURDEN IS NOT THE SAME BETWEEN A BABY AND A FULL GROWN LAB TECHNICIAN . Doesnt have to be, however the technician had a point exposure and vaccines while getting exposed to an entirely different compound are a series of micro-exposures. So not only is the total exposure lower but the overall body burden will be lower. I KNOW YOU DONT LIKE HILLEMANS CONCLUSION I am ambivalent to it because in this discussion its irrelevant. YOU ARE AN UNQUALIFIED TROLL WHO CANT GET A JOB. Youre so funny. What I do for a living is right in my profile. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/93c1ee72c9e6ed2ad5a67b5b2ce5df203566c66cebdd1521cb3a49981bf47233.jpg If youve given up trying to make an argument that the lab technician is relevant to vaccination then you should say so and we can move on to your other neuroses. THE DEATH OF A LAB ASSISTANT WITH TWO SMALL DROPS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY THAT SHOT THROUGH PROTECTIVE GLOVES AND SKIN IN SECONDS IS HIGHLY RELEVANT TO MERCURYS INCREDIBLE TOXICITY AND Thats why you have been told to keep downplaying it with utter BS and obfuscation . THROUGH PROTECTIVE GLOVES AND SKIN IN SECONDS IS HIGHLY RELEVANT TO MERCURYS INCREDIBLE TOXICITY The reason it went through gloves and skin quickly is because it was a different kind of mercury. Again this story isnt relevant unless you can show that vaccines produce the same dose. We know the dose 4 mg/L no matter how hard you press on that capslock key you cant make the vaccine doses of thiomersal equivalent to 4 mg/L. No matter how many times you move the goalposts. You have the same problem. A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MERCURY ? THE BAD FAIRY MERCURY AS OPPOSED TO THE GOOD FAIRY MERCURY. You are using the blood volume they gave us but you have no way of checking that since if the authorities publicised the incredibly low volume of mercury needed to kill an adult who weighs 15- 20 times a baby would be a red flag on mercury in vaccines which are kept going by the fairy story that somehow ethyl mercury is harmless. IT IS THE MERCURY AND AUTISM LINK YOU ARE PAID TO DEBUNK WESTON PRICE :- The mercury-autism connection has surfaced to the publics attention with the publication of Deadly Immunity, by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in the July issue of Rolling Stone magazine, simultaneous with publication in Salon. Kennedy describes a Center for Disease Control and Prevention meeting held June 2000 at which CDC epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten presented evidence to industry and government officials that thimerosal, the mercury-based preservative in vaccines, was responsible for the epidemic of autism in Americas children. Instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the attendees spent the rest of the meeting discussing ways to cover up the damaging data. Subsequently, powerful friends in Congress have tried to protect vaccine manufacturers with legislation to shield them from more than 4000 pending lawsuits. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has received $837,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, quietly slipped a rider known as the Eli Lilly Protection Act into the homeland security bill. A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MERCURY ? THE BAD FAIRY MERCURY AS OPPOSED TO THE GOOD FAIRY MERCURY. A different type of mercury as in the highly lipid soluble mercury. Yes, the kinds and configurations of atoms makes a difference in terms of the properties of a substance. Welcome to chemistry circa 1890! Did you know that a chirality of some compounds can mean the difference between something that is teratogenc and something that isnt. You are using the blood volume they gave us but you have no way of checking that since So in other words youre now doubting the veracity of your own story. Well thanks for just handing a win to me. Recall that your argument is that mercury is so ultra-toxic that even the mercury salts in vaccines are deadly. Recall that my argument is that your story is irrelevant to your argument. I demonstrated this by showing that they were different in terms of material, dose and resultant body burden. Which makes your story irrelevant to your argument. Your response now is that the story cant be trusted and you assume that mercury is toxic. Which of course ALSO makes your story irrelevant. If the only way you can argue that mercury is ultra-toxic is by ASSUMING that its ultra-toxic to begin with. Then the story is irrelevant to your argument. Thanks again. I NEVER HANDED YOU ANY WIN I POSTED THE STORY TO SHOW YOU HOW INCREDIBLY TOXIC MERCURY IS . Mercury salts dont stay the same in the body as you are implying eg the vaccine ethyl mercury changes to methyl mercury . I NEVER HANDED YOU ANY WIN You sure did. I POSTED THE STORY TO SHOW YOU HOW INCREDIBLY TOXIC MERCURY IS . In relation to vaccines because if you cant relate this story to vaccines then its pointless in the discussion of vaccines. BELIEVE IN JONATHANS GOOD ETHYL MERCURY FAIRY ITS A COMMON TACTIC Actually what youre doing is a tactic. Im not advocating mercury consumption Im simply pointing out that your story is utterly irrelevant to a discussion of mercury in vaccines. It differs radically in type, dose and body-burden. However because you cant engage on ANY of those points you are making a strawman argument. I dont really believe that the gloves let allegedly 20 mg of DI ETHYL MERCURY through a glove and skin in seconds Disbelieve every chemistry book and MSDS sheet if you want to. Thats your business. Mercury salts dont stay the same in the body as you are implying They dont have to for your story to be irrelevant. Your debating with a ( lets call him a man at least he somewhat resembles a man ) who has been stripped of all common decency and a conscience by the money the MEDICAL MAFIA pays him. He will push their poisons on unsuspecting people until doomsday. So the fact that I showed nworders illustration to be irrelevant using math is indication that Ive been stripped of all decency? Roy you regularly lie to people. How do you feel about that? YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN MY SCENARIO TO BE IRRELEVANT ITS JUST THAT YOUR HEADS SO BIG THAT YOU THINK YOU ARE WINNING ALL THE TIME . 2 SMALL DRIPS OF DI ETHYL MERCURY AS OPPOSED TO ETHYL MERCURY (THE TYPE YOUR CHILDREN GET INJECTED WITH )CAUSED THE DEATH OF A LAB WORKER WHO WAS WEARING PROTECTIVE GLOVES HOW POISONOUS IS THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TO DEBUNK BUT SO FAR YOUR OBFUSCATIONS HAVE FALLEN FAR SHORT . 2 SMALL DRIPS OF DI ETHYL MERCURY Dimethylmercury. Not diethylmercury. AS OPPOSED TO ETHYL MERCURY (THE TYPE YOUR CHILDREN GET INJECTED WITH ) As opposed to thiomersal which is used in a few vaccines. CAUSED THE DEATH OF A LAB WORKER WHO WAS WEARING PROTECTIVE GLOVES HOW POISONOUS IS THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TO DEBUNK I havent been told to do anything. However to show you that your story is irrelevant. All I have to do is demonstrate that its a false analogy. Ive accomplished that in two ways: a) Ive established that and youve agreed that what killed the lab worker is a entirely different and more dangerous compound which moves easily through the skin and gloves. b) That the dose is massively different. So much so that its similar to comparing the dose of water you get in an 8 oz glass with the lethal dose of water. In fact giving yourself that much more of just about anything is going to be lethal. Different compound, wildly different dose. Therefore your anecdote is irrelevant. QED. BUT SO FAR YOUR OBFUSCATIONS HAVE FALLEN FAR SHORT . You can keep telling yourself that but as soon as you can admit to yourself 6% of that organomercury could have gone through that glove and into that persons bloodstream. You have effectively admitted your story is irrelevant. WHY IS THE STORY OF THIS DEATH CAUSED BY TWO SMALL DROPS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY IRRELEVANT THAT IS A FACTOR OF 500 WHICH BLOWS YOUR MATH TO BITS WILL ADD A FACTOR OF THOUSANDS X BY THE 500 ABOVE AND YOURE PISSING ON ABOUT GLASSES OF WATER . WHY IS THE STORY OF THIS DEATH CAUSED BY TWO SMALL DROPS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY IRRELEVANT Ive spelled this out. Its irrelevant to vaccines because. i) What is in vaccines is an entirely different compound. ii) What is in your story is a ridiculously large dose compared to what is in a vaccine. WHEN METHYL MERCURY But not dimethylmercury No a compound consisting of ethylmercury . Different thing. WHICH IS INJECTED INTO TINY BABIES ABOUT 50 TIMES No, only influenza in multi-dose vials has thiomersal above 1 mcg. So thats about six times. BEFORE THE AGE OF 6 BEING AT LEAST 10 TIMES LESS IN WEIGHT THAN THE LAB ASSISTANT WHO DIED. Blood volume in an infant is close to ten times less. However by the time they are six they have the same weight/blood volume ratio as an adult. So you would have to calculate each one. So six times is 300mcg of thiomersal. Thats still OVER SIXTY TIMES the dose from the lab assistant story. Not counting that thiomersal isnt mercury or dimethylmercury. However unlike the story where the dose was given in a few seconds. These doses are given over six years. Which means the overall body burden is going to be near zero each time. Thats still OVER SIXTY TIMES the dose from the lab assistant story. should that read sixty times less? Good catch. Thanks. youre welcome! WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKING TO YOURSELF AL MATHER ? wait, Im confused. I thought I was @shay_simmons:disqus? Now I am @al_mather:disqus ? Am I also @skeptistics:disqus ? Any other personalities you would like me to assume New World Order? Didnt one of the Catholics accuse you of being me too? It is possible. I have a hard time remembering all of the people I supposedly am. New World Order here is Lowell Hubbs level crazy/stupid. I CAN HELP YOU THERE YOU ARE JONATHAN WITH AN OUTFIT ON Good to know, thanks. I think Lowell has some real problems and his vaccine vendetta probably isnt helping. Im torn between nwo being similarly disturbed or a troll/sock. Ever notice how many of these folk have weirdly affected typing styles? I dont mean a penchant for words or phrases but a way of typing that nobody would ever actually use. When I see that I tend to elevate the likelihood that this is a sock. Ever notice how many of these folk have weirdly affected typing styles? Of course. On the GMO threads, we have Ted Miner. He has a minimum of 6 socks that he vehemently denies, despite the fact that they all use the exact same phrases and terminology and make identical spelling errors. Ah, I was more thinking that someone with weirdo speech either has some difficulty communicating or they are disguising themselves. Like people who type as if theyre speaking with an accent. I should really mess with the Python framework for Disqus. Ive done adjacency matrix style identification before for detecting socks. I wonder if it would work here? I can also do time zone estimations by looking at the distribution of posts. Ah, I was more thinking that someone with weirdo speech either has some difficulty communicating or they are disguising themselves. Like people who type as if theyre speaking with an accent. Hmm, I hadnt considered things that way before. I thought it was just an affliction of the stupid that they type that way. Ive done adjacency matrix style identification before for detecting socks. I wonder if it would work here? I honestly dont know enough about IT to fathom a guess on that. Mostly I look at linguistics, most will have a tell that gives them away. An adjacency matrix is something done for authorship analysis. You take a large body of say Ron Roys work. Get a list of every word they use. Then create a chart with a row for every word and a column for every word. From there you are simply counting the number of times the author uses one word before another. So if they write such that thirty times. Then at the intersection of column such and row that you write the number 30. After that you divide all the values by the number of word pairs. Now instead of counts of word pair usage. You have a frequency. Assuming the data we used is representative of the author. We can then look at a sentence written by an unknown author and look up the frequency of every word pair and multiply them together. The result is the likelihood that Ron Roy was the unknown author. DO THEY HAVE A CHART THAT DOES A SMUG RATING FOR THE LIKES OF YOU Im not smug. Im just not as gullible as you are. YOU ARE GULLIBLE THINKING THAT INJECTING MERCURY INTO LITTLE KIDDIES BRAINS IS GOOD FOR THEM Well a) Im not Al, b) vaccines are not injected into peoples brains they are injected intra-muscularly (and sometimes subQ or intradermally) c) its thiomersal not mercury, d) only one vaccine has any chance of having any e) Yes, vaccines are good for you. and yes you constantly tell us how gullible you are. As long as someone is telling you what you want to hear you will treat their words as gospel. Thats your choice. Im simply not into that follow what some leader tells you without thinking even a little bit. When you are collecting your $ you will be thinking even less than normal The mercury obviously ends up in the brain So in other words you lied about it being injected into the brain? Right? You childish fool the vaccine is injected into the blood stream via muscle and then reaches the brain . As everyone but Jonathan the mercury troller for babies autism the vaccine is injected into the blood stream via muscle and then reaches the brain . You said injected into the brain. Were you lying or not? If you ever want to take this a step further, most of the work has already been done. Check out D4rum Defender @FORUM_DEFENSE_TEAM:disqus It wouldnt be hard, I just wrote some code to pull messages. I could probably just passively build up a matrix. You could then go to a website punch in a message id and find the author on disqus closest to said post. I clicked the link and I see a list of posts mostly by someone named Q. What am I looking at here? EH ? SOMEONE NAMED .Q ? Q wrote the D4rum Defender program. This is the program National Review Online used until they switched to Facebook comments. D4rum uses the Disqus API to analyze comments and identify similar users. You can find a fork on Github. Ill check it out. Thanks. Lowell a while backhad a compulsion to include the phrase.. and nor in nearly every response. I used to point it out to him frequently..He took some large( for him) breaks from commenting a while back and seems to have gotten it under control.. which is promising for his personal growth potential . Exhibiting the capability for behavior modification. YOUR DOGs better at typing than you are AL amazing pawing of the keyboard even after his brain destroying vaccines . Asserting that even a brain damaged dog can best you in banter? Your babble is as senseless as ever Nwordy. YOU HAVE WALTER MITTY SYNDROME , AL . apparently what I really have is a puppy following me from thread to thread Im honored to be albeit, within the context of a paranoid delusion confused with any of you fine folk. I believe Nwordys imbalances present themselves on Disqus in direct ratio to his use of CAPS LOCK. YOU LOOK SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ESPECIALLY WITH THE HAIRCUT . Ah I see what you did there You were trying to SHOUT wit DO you vaccinate your dog to make him as dumb as you ? Nwordywhat could I possibly say to you that you havent already PAID some sore riddled vagrant to say to you in a gas station Mens room? Fully vaccinated and boosted my dog displays an intellect that dwarfs your pathetic frothing and rabid stupidity. Poor dog does he snuggle up to you in bed ? Woof! Woof ! How many identities are you handling just now excluding the dog paranoid delusion You almost have to feel sorry for him, leaving the house must be nearly impossible for the fear of black vans and satellite tracking. Nwordy IS one of those that make you count your blessings. You as well Michael or should I say of course we willLol. Talking to yourself again AL ITS CHEAPER FOR YOUR BOSSES TO USE ONE TROLL WITH MULTIPLE IDENTITIES. BUT DONT EVER BLOW THE WHISTLE OR YOU WILL DISAPPEAR ah yes, I forgot, my bosses control everything. YOU ARE SPARTACUS!!!! No, WE are Spartacus! Huzzah! A SIX YEAR OLD CHILD DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF BLOOD AS AN ADULT NOR THE SAME BODY WEIGHT ???? you are pretending again ETHYL MERCURY IS A DEADLY POISON THAT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE HUMAN BRAIN AS THIMEROSAL NOR AS ITS BREAKDOWN PRODUCT METHYL MERCURY A SIX YEAR OLD CHILD DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF BLOOD AS AN ADULT NOR THE SAME BODY WEIGHT ???? Look, youre going to have to start READING what I type. Its the rmass to blood volume ratio thats the same by the time you are six. I use that word ratio right up there. So again your story is irrelevant because you can not show that: i) The compound is comparable. Ive given you math showing that all of these are different. THE RATIO OF BLOOD /VOLUME DOES NOT MATTER -THE 6 YR OLD CHILD OR A DAY OLD BABY GETTING VACCINATED IS LESS THAN AN ADULT LAB ASSISTANT YOU THINK YOU ARE SO CLEVER WITH YOUR DEBATING TECHNIQUE THE RATIO OF BLOOD /VOLUME DOES NOT MATTER Of course it does. You use it to calculate the blood volume. You use a separate ratio for infants and pre-term infants. Again, if you had actually moved your eyes over every word in my post and formed them into complete sentences you would see thats what I said. Perhaps if you werent spending all your time pushing the capslock key? THE 6 YR OLD CHILD OR A DAY OLD BABY GETTING VACCINATED IS LESS Yes, they are both getting less thiomersal than the lab assistant was getting in dimethylmercury. The child is always at a lower body burden than the lab assistant ceterus paribus. A CHILD GETS THE SAME VACCINE AS AN ADULT BUT HAS 1/10 1/15 th t THE BLOOD VOLUME . A CHILD GETS THE SAME VACCINE AS AN ADULT Up to 35 months children get 0.25mL rather than 0.5mL. 1/10 More correctly a 1 year old will be around 1/10th the blood volume of a 200 lb man as they age to six they will be about 1/4. Even at 1/10th a 0.025 mg dose of thiomersal is still a blood level 0.037mg/L of thiomersal over 100 times lower than the story about the lab technician. Notice Im counting the mg of thiomersal which is only partially mercury. So if your made-up idea is that the Hg detaches, then the blood level would be 0.018 mg/L which is something like 217 times lower than what was in your story. So why is this story relevant again? Im thinking you dont have a clue here. POOR LITTLE BABY STUCK WITH 13 VACCINATIONS IN ONE DAY AND DIED . AT YOUR 1/10 THIS WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO AN ADULT GETTING However, this is exactly what happened to Alisa Neathery when she took her six month-old unvaccinated baby to the doctor for the first time. She told VacTruth: Prior to the shots being given, when the doctor was discussing the pros of getting vaccinated with me, he explained how he was from a village in Africa. That we were lucky in America to have the opportunity to receive vaccines because where he was from, the mothers had to have like 11 kids each, since most would die off from disease because they were not as fortunate to receive vaccines like we are here in America. He really pushed them on me hard. He spent a lot of time convincing me to give Bently the vaccines, but when it was done, we never saw the doctor again. According to Alisa, the doctor spent a long time deciding exactly which vaccinations Bently should receive and told Alisa that they shouldnt give him too many. The doctor eventually decided on a total of 13 vaccinations, which Alisa now believes led to Bentlys death just five days later. POOR LITTLE BABY STUCK WITH 13 VACCINATIONS IN ONE DAY AND DIED AT YOUR 1/10 THIS WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO AN ADULT GETTING Only four shots and one oral. None of those shots contained more than 1 mcg of thiomersal. So again, your lab assistant story is irrelevant here. Right? There are reports of people dying of water intoxication after ingesting around 20 litres of water in a single short time frame. Do you think ingestion of 20 litres of water over the course of a week would be lethal? Why not? PS: what vaccines are injected 100% into the babys bloodstream? GIVE ME A GLASS OD WATER ANYDAY lol ALL VACCINES END UP 100% IN THE BLOODSTREAM (you were going to use the muscle bit lol ) SO SEND ME THE CHEQUE PS water intoxication comes about through mineral depletion eg salt and potassium loss caused by taking too much water in but this does not justify your toxic vaccines LISTEN MADAME PEOPLE DIE WITH TOO MUCH WATER THEREFORE SIGN UP FOR THIS SCHEDULE OF 50 PLUS TOXIC VACCINES FOR YOUR BABY Please keep posting Ive been reliably informed (by a ninny on youtube) that thimerosal degrades into both ethyl AND methylmercury and then these two degrade to elemental mercury. Id argue against that but apparently all the chemistry books have been changed as part of the mercury protectionist conspiracy. I tried to argue against it but the ninny simply repeated the original statement. Amy Tuteur was right. THATS CORRECT , TWO VARIATIONAL MERCURY TOXINS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE ALL THE BETTER TO KILL LITTLE BABIES WITH Misinformation typed in all caps is still misinformation. You said you drink more than two two liter bottles of diet coke every day so are you approaching the 6 liter mark? No, sorry. Ive drank three litres before and it was some work. Do you mix ethyl mercury into your coke lol Thats a chemical, by any description. ALL TOXIC AND NONTOXIC THINGS MUST BE MADE OF CHEMICALS YOU BOZO lol Indeed, bozo. No I do not equate chemicals with toxins.dont assume. There are chemicals that can and are toxic to humansman made chemicals blended used in pharmaceutical purposes can be often toxici.e. allergic reactionsside affects etc. Not one human body is the samedue to the immune system and how weak or strong it is in a particular body. It is a known fact when taking pharmaceutical medicines it alters the immune system, it is suppose to help, but in many cases harms. Check and research immunology to understand the basics. Immunology deals with physiological functioning of the immune system in states of both health and disease as well as malfunctions of the immune system in immunological disorders like allergies, hypersensitivities, immune deficiency, transplant rejection and autoimmune disorders. Immunology deals with physical, chemical and physiological characteristics of the components of the immune system in vitro, in situ, and in vivo. Immunology has a vast array of uses in several disciplines of science and medical science. Innate and adaptive immune systems The innate system of immunity is on evolutionary terms, the older system that forms the first line of defence. It is non-specific and the resistance is static (it does not improve with repeated exposure and there is no memory on subsequent exposures). This includes physical defences such as skin epithelial surfaces, cilia, commensual flora, acidic gastric contents, fever etc. Others are biochemical defences such as soluble lysosyme, acute phase reactants and complement, fibronectin, interferons. Cellular components include natural killer cells, RES phagocytes. The actual components of the immune system are cellular in nature and not associated with any specific organ. They are widely present in circulation throughout the body. Thank you for your homespun lecture on how the immune system works. And thanks for switching the topic I thought you were telling us how chemicals were toxic. Didnt you criticise Dumb for even straying fractionally from your chosen narrative? yes, so you did. 64 ? an old photo ? No taken last year on my 63rd Birthday. Wow ! shows what organic food and avoiding vaccines can do I can post a 20 year old photo and claim that I am 64 years old and say it was due to vaccination,works both ways. i WOULD NOT BELIEVE A VACCINE TROLL LIKE YOU ON ANY MATTER. I DONT CARE. Hi,there,I can give you the same story,the difference is that I have had ALL my vaccinations and had the flu vaccination for many years and I am in good health. ANECDOTAL ! CORRECT,and that is the message I am giving BlessedServe ANECDOTAL. BUT YOU LIE FOR A LIVING AND ANTI VAXXERS DONT Are you implying that I am getting paid? If so read my above post requesting from anybody here as to what I have do to get paid If you were not being paid your comments would not be so ludicrous they would be more balanced and would be against vaccination which is an occult practice invented by the unqualified Dr Jenner who killed his own son by injecting cow pus scraped off the pustules on the belly of infected cows by passing the immune system completely . Hi,I am sorry but we all have our opinions,you are entitled to yours as I am to mine and I know you dont believe me but the truth is.I AM NOT GETTING PAID..have a nice day and stick to your beliefs because it is your right to do so. You would not sell your soul for nothing what would it profit you to lose your soul A dollar or two per post and you sell your eternity . As I have said you are against vaccination,I am for vaccination,lets not waste each others time as we are clearly in a position where neither of us will change our minds.thank you. BUT YOU GET PAID TO BE FOR JABBING INFANTS SO YOU IGNORE THE EVIDENCE and sell your soul for a couple bucks . I keep telling you NOBODY is paying me to post here,if you keep insisting that I am being paid then it is not unreasonable for me to ask you to provide evidence.thank you. Also, they should do so after they have rebutted your arguments since whether youre being paid or not does nothing to alter whether youre correct or not. Talking to yourself again lol Evidence of sockpuppetry? Actually, it doesnt matter. Since whether Im a sockpuppet or not doesnt affect whether my claims are true or not. OF COURSE IT DOES You are a bribed troll for big pharma using multiple aliases and tag team trolling to get a few bucks from your pharma masters . What a life you will look back on when your life is over. Evidence of all that please? Including evidence that Ill still exist when Im dead. It doesnt matter with regards to whether my claims are correct or not. By the way, BSPG? FAD. Well thats exactly right You are a professional troll with aliases and you are also in a troll tag team you do this scummy work because you cant get a job And your evidence is? And your evidence is? YOU are part of my evidence another troll pops up lol Looks like I was wrong in hoping that you would come up with some REAL evidence YOUVE GOT THAT SICKLY TROLL LOOK ABOUT YOU lol Jealousy will get you nowhere. Ok lets see what you are saying about injecting 50 plus syringes filled with You said I was a paid troll,I asked you to prove that.Why are you changing the subject.? I am not changing the subject I want to see if you extol the virtues of pumping ethyl mercury anf aluminium into infants and other crazy things like that then I will finally decide if you are a paid troll . You have accused me of being a paid troll already,I am still waiting for your evidence that I am a paid troll,stop changing the subject. NO I AM RIGHT ON THE SUBJECT LETS HERE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT VACCINES AND I WILL DECIDE WHETHER YOU ARE A TROLL OR NOT I am pro vaccine,does that make me a paid troll? YES no normal person after studying the history of vaccines up to date would ever let some doctor give them a vaccine so you are a troll but this does not necessarily mean you get vaccinated you get paid to get other suckers vaccinated So back to square one,I would like proof that I am paid,you are making that claim,prove it,oddball look? are you referring to my avatar? you ASSUME that is a picture of me,well it is not.So in your world,every pro vaccine person is a paid troll and looks oddball MMM very interesting. YOUR AVATAR LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM AL MATHERS Sorry I am not your friend Something woke him up again . Just returned from two week vacation.If you had been following my posts you would have known that. Kevin used to be Joe then Neil then he said he said his real name was Josephine. I keep telling him to take his meds and go back to bed. Youre too nice. Evidence that hes being paid? So Sherri Tenpenny doesnt get paid? I had a friend who had a pnuemonia vaccine at 48 years old, and in two days rushed to hospital and was then diagnosed with autism..from that point on.that was two years ago. pnuemonia vaccine? thats a new one. ITS A RUBBISH VACCINE WHICH KILLS PEOPLE At times it is later revealed that vaccines are not even effective. For instance, pneumonia vaccinations for people over 65 are soon to be halted by the UK government, on the grounds that the injections do not save lives. Millions of people were injected with the vaccine, which was supposed to offer ten-year protection against an infection that causes pneumonia. But independent expert government advisors say the program has had no discernible impact on rates of pneumococcal disease. According to the Daily Mail:VACCINE In a study including approximately 85,000 adults 65 years or older in the Netherlands, PCV13 was 75% effective at preventing invasive pneumococcal disease and 45% effective at preventing pneumococcal pneumonia caused by the serotypes included in the vaccine.Jun 19, 2015 GET PNEUMONIA VACCINE AND GET PNEUMONIA MERCOLA :- The IDSA report states:ii both the prevalence of H. influenzae (40% 45%) and proportion of b-lactamaseproducing H. influenzae (37%50%) (extrapolated from middle ear fluid cultures of children with acute otitis media) have markedly increased among other upper respiratory tract infections since the widespread use of conjugated pneumococcal vaccines Whereas S. pneumoniae was more common than H. influenzae prior to 2000, the prevalence of H. influenzae has clearly increased while that of S. pneumoniae has decreased in the postpneumococcal vaccine era, such that currently they are approximately equal In the United States the Prevnar vaccine, which is used to prevent pneumoccocal disease that can cause meningitis and bloodstream infections in young children, was licensed in 2000 and has been given to infants in four shots between the age of 2 months and 15 months. The vaccine originally covered seven and now covers 13 of the 90-odd strains of the Streptococcus bacteria. Although pneumoccocal disease caused by seven pneumoccoal strains in the 7-valent Prevnar vaccine declined after widespread use, one pneumoccocal strain called 19A developed super resistance and is now causing pneumoccocal disease that is antibiotic-resistant. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg There are two pneumonia vaccines for adults, both recommended for people over 65. Thats what makes Blesseds story suspicious. We live and we learn,thanks. Ill get vaxxinated .when ..and if.. I want to!! I dont need you fkn SnakeTurds to collude and slither around with the fkn guvmint and declare vaxxination war on me and the children. .Fck off! What vaccination war? Nobody is interested in forcing you. What does mandatory mean when it is not forced on you? Am I conversing with troll-bot again? No-ones interested in mandatory vaccines either. Theyre not forced on you. Choices have consequences, is all. Where I live it is not mandatory, but the vaccination rate is 90% so I dont think 90% can be wrong. I really do want to avoid toxic chemicals. Have you ever read the MSDS for Citric Acid? Somehow, Im still not scared of lemons. How are you intending on avoiding formaldehyde anyway? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee98c8926c4d28ee31879307de07ec2eb2c3c5f64dd6ce719d7d66ce34f02e4f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e80ba9586702a1b0e5081bb8c0ce96d445598ee4b1034c02a80e9a10da04b84d.jpg YES ITS IN OUR BODIES BUT ITS NOT INJECTED AND THE BODY KNOWS HOW TO STORE AND EXPEL IT. THATS WHY IT IS TREATED AS A DEADLY POISON BY EVERY AUTHORITY IN THE WORLD EXCEPT DUMB DUMB https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7a0eddd469d70f442fc9138566d6c4bb8c4ef72dad3f9fcb1be19987a0e16c9.gif Nworder, as part of our metabolism, its released directly into our hepatic vein. Basically, as part of our metabolic processes, the formaldehyde we make is injected straight into our bloodstream. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg If its such a deadly poison, where are all the extra dead vaccinated kids? By all means (if that is even accurate) lets shoot them up with more in the toxic chemical soup that doesnt do anything!! How can it be both toxic and doesnt do anything? GET VACCINATED WITH MORE TOXINS LIKE THE ABOVE LOL Toxins best describes natural immunity to pertussis, diptheria and tetanus. What do you think Balto was about? Toxins best describes natural immunity to pertussis, diptheria and tetanus. ? Balto ? Was he a Shakespearean character ??? It clearly makes sense to shay simmons. Here is a hint for you though n-worder: Diptheria is treated with ANTI-toxin. DIPHTHERIA DECLINED WITH SANITATION :- There is no doubt that exposure to sewage emanation is a fruitful source of diphtheriathe statistics of the association between the two are very positive. (Quain 1894, in Beddow-Bayly, 1939, p.105). shows in interesting and conclusive fashion the definitive effect of school buildings, their construction and sanitation, on the spread of diphtheria. The highest incidence was observed in those schools where sanitation is most deficient and ventilation and lighting the least satisfactory. The brightest and airiest school showed the lowest incidence, and the incidence throughout all the schools placed them in exact order of sanitary virtue. Moreover, the incidence indicated the schools where malnutrition in the children is most conspicuous. (Medical World, 1931, p. 627.) Even in America, there were those who recognised the lessons of the decrease of diphtheria prior to the use of a vaccine by saying: The eradication of diphtheria will not come through the serum treatment of patients, by the immunization of the well, or through the accurate clinical and laboratory diagnosis of the case and the carrier followed by quarantine; rather it will be attained through the mass sanitary protection of the populace subconsciously practised by the people at all times. (JAMA, 1922, p. 682.) With regard to diphtheria in New Zealand, it is interesting in the light of the recent Auckland case, to note that during the period 1879 85, diphtheria in the Christchurch area was particularly severe. The majority of cases occurred in areas where there were either no sewers, or where the sewerage systems had grave sanitary defects. The water supplies were heavily contaminated, and the living conditions were beyond description. (Maclean, 1964). Then youll have no trouble showing me an incidence/morbidity/cases chart where diptheria dropped prior to vaccines kindly get on with it.. Note well: Mortality/deaths/deaths per cases are a different thing. NONE OF OUR FAMILY HAD DIPHTHERIA VACCINATIONS AROUND THE TIME OF INTRODUCTION NONE OF US CAUGHT IT OR PROBABLY CAUGHT IT WITHOUT SYMPTOMS. VACCINES DID NOT SAVE US :- It was only after the large fall, that in 1946-47 there was a catch-up diphtheria vaccination campaign. 969,000 children under 5 years of age were vaccinated and 272,000 children aged 5-15. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7bd852512ae63f61bccf18b170e8fc84fff09a2c1dd7cbef70b9c545e5a36330.jpg To account for the fall in diphtheria mortality [blue graph line] one must look elsewhere for the cause. Why did you bring mortality up? I specifically asked you to show me a graph where incidence dropped before the vaccine and I emphasized diphtheria *cases*, NOT deaths or mortality why are you talking about mortality in response to that? Please answer the question. But Ive already addressed the falling mortality: ANTI-toxin. You should thank your responsible neighbours. DO YOU NOT SEE THE STEEP FALL BEFORE THE VACCINE WAS INVENTED LET ALONE PARTIALLY APPLIED Are you in need of a reality check or glasses maybe I am not disputing the steep fall in diphtheria MORTALITY before the vaccine was invented I think it has more to do with antitoxin than anything though. The problem is that I asked you to show me a steep fall in DIPHTHERIA before the vaccine was invented. Get on with it! SANITATION CLEARED UP SMALLPOX AND DIPHTHERIA Smallpox and diphtheria, now both very rare, have long since been cleaned up by the sanitary engineers. Chickenpox Measles by Dr Bieler It is not strange that health improves when the population gives up using diluted sewage as the principle beverage. Dr. Thurman Rice, 1932 Diphtheria and other diseases rose and fell in direct relation to housing, nutritional improvement and wartime conditions, a factor taken into little account by those who consider vaccination to be the only relevant sacrament. The return of conditions of social dislocation and poverty will see an increase in all diseases which, under times of duress, have no respect for the vaccination status of anyone.Hilary Butler All you have to do is show me an incidence graph supporting your statement. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9de32ad900196a3e032ef94c7d6ab988343b07168e9839297a5ad599a2b35cbd.png FLATLINING BEFORE VACCINE lol An *incidence* graph, nworder. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f08602e9281f07b365b46dd05f048ae5b9ac6a1dc58d72d2f59303f9fb909c3.gif ALL FLATLINING BEFORE VACCINES LOL If thats the case then why are you having such trouble showing me an INCIDENCE chart? Not an incidence graph either. Do you not know what incidence means? I AM JUST BACK FROM MY REAL JOB will you ever say that AL oops Jonathan. Yes I know what the incidence means but I will keep giving you death graphs because they show clearly that the common diseases were conquered flat lining BEFORE vaccinations . This was due to better sanitation , nutrition and living conditions even when they got diseases they threw them off quickly with a strengthened immunity and also a stronger immune system Whereas America is the sickest nation in the world whilst spending the most I AM JUST BACK FROM MY REAL JOB will you ever say that AL oops Jonathan. Tedious. Firstly Im not Al. Secondly about 60% of my job is on a computer the other 30% is in meetings (some weeks those ratios are reversed). At home I do work on my computer for fun. I write code, I do statistical analysis, I watch Youtube videos. So its not unreasonable that I would rarely be away from my computer when Im at work or at home. The main exceptions are when Im sleeping, having dinner, or working with my kids/family/house. This is normal for people in the IT field. My department has a slack channel. Its common for someone to be available on it at almost any time any day. Why? Because we all use computers and its trivial to keep a browser tab open on slack. I apologize that I dont pump gas or whatever it is you do. Yes I know what the incidence means but I will keep giving you death graphs because they show clearly that the common diseases were conquered What you are making is called the logical fallacy of argument by special definition. The diseases were not conquered. Their outcomes were better managed. Do you know the difference between managing outcomes and stopping a disease? You are deliberately choosing smaller and noisier data to make your point. Which again, makes you the deceptive one. OUTCOMES MANAGED What the does this BS mean . I got all these diseases and my outcomes were not managed Stop trying to B.S. with your faux intellectual flannel I said an INCIDENCE chart, nworder. Why do you persist in showing me a DEATHS chart? THE INCIDENCE OF THESE DISEASES WAS NEAR 100% measles , mumps , rubella , flu . colds , scarlet fever , etc etc . I had them all without a vaccine and they were mild . They gave me lifelong immunity to the diseases and a great immune system . BUT they were cleared up by SANITATION , HYGIENE AND BETTER NUTRITION So thats why you will get lots of death rate graphs from me so there AL oops Dumb Dumb All you have to do is show me one incidence chart that supports your point. Fair enough. As long as you include one incidence chart from the routine childhood vaccination schedule that supports your point. Im objecting to the lack of incidence charts, not the surplus of death charts. NEARLY EVERYONE GOT THESE DISEASES SO THE INCIDENCE WOULD BE NEARLY 100% SO THE GRAPH WOULD BE STRANGE NONE OF OUR FAMILY HAD DIPHTHERIA VACCINATIONS AROUND THE TIME OF INTRODUCTION NONE OF US CAUGHT IT OR PROBABLY CAUGHT IT WITHOUT SYMPTOMS. VACCINES DID NOT SAVE US :- When do you think diphtheria toxiod vaccine was introduced that youre discussing this in the first person? It was 1926. How many of your immediate family were alive then to get it? Of my living family members, only one, DHs mother, was alive then. Herd immunity is what likely kept you and your siblings from getting it. 1940s THE VACCINE WAS INVENTED my mother , father , gran granddads BETTER NUTRITION AND SANITATION SAVED THE DAY . Oh, no, nworder. You should know better than to believe Whale. No, I wont read it. I dont want to give them the clicks. on the other site EIGHT posts pending. Crazy! IF THE VACCINES ARE NOT IN MAJOR USE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE PLAYED NO PART AT ALL IN DISEASE REDUCTION . This says it all WHALE :- Dr. Tennison Deane of San Francisco, in his Crime of Vaccination, tells a remarkable story illustrative of this truth. The unvaccinated recovered rapidly from their sore throats, but the farmers wife was paralyzed for a year and eleven years later died of cancer. It seems that the San Francisco physician was so impressed by this unexpected turn of his well-intentioned vaccinating zeal, that he not only kept tab on the subsequent history of the two families on the northern ranch, but watched the connection between vaccination and other maladies occurring in his general practice. You do not get diphtheria from smallpox vaccine, which was the only vaccine extant in the 1880s. They got exposed to diphtheria. Period. ONLY an anti-vaxer would attribute a death 22 years later from either cancer or tuberculosis to be due to smallpox vaccine. ITS NOT THE NAME OF THE VACCINE THAT COUNTS BUT THE PUS AND MUCK IN THE VACCINE THATS WHY THE POLIO VACCINE CONTAMINATED WITH THE MONKEY SV40 VIRUS IS FOUND IN CANCER TUMOURS . This family wasnt so lucky during one diphtheria outbreak in 1897. Vaccines didnt save them, but if they existed, they would have! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6f4abd67e79688e5c5c5afa204fb005b0e94b331c1d8fa7f10b4d26fac56f86.jpg I believe it has become quit obvious that we need to take care of ourselves first. It is NOT Americas duty to take care of the world. barrys executive orders are simple to get rid of on day one. Throw them away for they are Constitutionally illegal. The POTUS is restricted from writing law without due process. Remember? Congress writes the law! Senate passes the law! SCOTUS interprets the law and POTUS signs into law! Sounds like the politically oriented CDC is once again attempting to make itself relevant. I have had no use for the CDC and their reports since they came out with the idiotic report stating that there were more deaths in the US in one year due to firearms than due to auto crashes. I would not believe ANY report from the CDC. As for them attempting to ram all sorts of immunizations down our throats, I just wonder who (and how much) somebodys palm is getting greased. Another thought occurs too: Since CDC is a government agency and since our government is neck deep in climate change and since a hidden agenda of the climate change crowd entails population control and limitations, who can say of a certainty exactly this in the tank CDC is attempting to force into us? Yeah right do not listen to what newsweek saysall more lies to sell news Trump will negate all of the abused Obuma exec orders No matter what the toxins are in any syringe or how it could effect children or adults the fact remains the government has absolutely NO fkn right to mandate ANY form of medication on anyone. It is not the place of what is supposed to be the government to interfere in anybodys health conditions. The fkn guvmint apes cannot mandate forced administration of aspirin or laxatives or suppositories or nasal decongestant or antibiotics or any one of thousands of pharmaceutical inventions! What ever gives these SnakeTurds the idea they can sign a paper and then just go ahead and chemically debilitate the nations children? This is an incredibly hostile action against the general population! Particularly when it has been comprehensively proven that VaXXination is not only dangerous but is useless in preventing diseases when iodine, ascorbic acid and a vigorous immune system actually does it many, many times better. And not only that every person has a right to take there own chances with diseases and their own health condition. Its got fkall to do with the guvmint and its attached fkkng corporate leeches. Citation needed for all of that rant. G F Y S Im sorry, an insult is not a cite. Hi, I believe on other sites you would be banned for making that comment. Go Find it Your Self Why the fck would I be banned for that? You are very fortunate,if I were you I would by a lottery ticket today.I am done.thank you. Go buy yourself a troll snozzle dont let the door hit you on the a** on the way out Go Find it Yourself is a shifting of the burden of proof. So any site that bans you for not being able to have a reasoned discussion. troll vacuole gotta luv the reliance on AUTHORITY..by an atypical prole -mind My last reply on the topic. You appear to hold some level of intellect, an amount I would gauge above average based upon your discourses. Yet I charge you perform yourself a disservice. A ruptured cylinder would be neither detonation or deflagration. If you wish to consider mechanical explosion of compromised container containing matter under compression, well then I would assert that you contradict yourself earlier stating hydrogen goes boom, oxygen goes boom, water goes splash. Water, while normally incompressible, under the correct circumstances can be compressed to incredible pressures capable of causing mechanical explosion in a failed system. None of this information detracts from the fact that when you reside here, in reality, upon the surface of the earth without having imposed confinement or alteration, oxygen by itself does not go boom. Oxidizer-yes. Accelerant-yes. Yet, it must interact in conjunction with ignition and fuel source together in order to be of any consequence approaching BOOM. Lastly, as a parting thought, I would spell check any name referenced. Wittgenstein, in regards to his own ladder stated, Anything that can be reached with a ladder does not interest me. Cant you do better than an ad hominem tu quoque? Dumb dumb, [who I not so fondly call padawan] is a googler with ocd who does this day and night. She is young, inexperienced, still lives with mum dad, has no clue of reality and possesses not one iota of an original thought process. Troll alert: There is an entity below who is regurgitating propaganda put out by the dissolved as insolvent in 1933 federal government which not only exists today in name only, but we all know by empirical individual evidence they are malevolent to the point of being psychopathically genocidal eugenicists. This fraudulent, de facto federal government is now owned and operated by a foreign financial, military, corporate and temporal power that believes vaccinations will help control population growth, and therefore are beneficial to society. Riddle me that, Trollificus Maximus, when you know vaccinations only benefit them and their agenda to kill most of us off. PS: It is using memes by rtAVM or Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes LOLOLOLOL Not an original thought in its wee head (maybe it has zika someone please tell it there is a new vaccine for that!) PMID numbers for those please. Hi, I went to your fist link and this is what is said about the author,I copied from respectful insolance Remember Stephanie Seneff? When last Orac discussed her, she had been GOOD ON HER I HOPE SHE KEEPS UP THE GOOD WORK I see after your quote about your mum you descended into your paid mode as a lying sleekit wee troll . You bet injected injected aluminium can cause more than autism dumb dumb oops kevin ALUMINIUM INJECTED INTO A BABY IS 75000 TIMES MORE CONCENTRATED THAN AN ADULT EATING IT . DR MERCOLA :- For example, a case study from Keele University in the UK1 published last year unequivocally showed high levels of aluminum in the brain of an individual exposed to aluminum at work, who later died from Alzheimers disease. Most people are not exposed to toxic levels of aluminum at work however. Rather exposure occurs via common products such as antiperspirants, food, aluminum-based household products, and vaccines. According to some experts, including Dr. David Ayoub, whom Ive interviewed on this topic, and Dr. Suzanne Humphries, featured in the video above, aluminum in vaccines may pose very significant health risks. Dr. Humphries has written one of the best books (Dissolving Illusions) out there documenting the historical framework of why vaccines have been an overhyped miserable failure. The book is loaded with hundreds of references, many of which document the vaccine failures. The toxicity of aluminumfound in a number of common childhood and adult vaccinesmay even exceed the toxicity of mercury in the human body. Even if vaccines can prevent some infections, considering whats in them, theres no way they can improve overall health, Dr. Humphries says. And now they want to give vaccines to pregnant women, which in addition to these animal cells and associated genetic material also have aluminum in them. As you have descended into calling me a sleazy lying paid troll,I will make it my business not to converse with you anymore. Youre also dumb dumb Evidence? Its up to you. However, if youre going to stop talking to everyone when they accuse you of being paid, your anti-anti-vax time on disqus wont last long. You are free to do whatever you wish with this info. You know what you are right,thanks. Talking to yourself again Kev lol Just act like a liberal for a few minutes and flag Nom Dumb discuss posts because it hurts our feelings that hes stupid. Only dumb dumb is jenny higgs from uk, a SHE! And why ARE all her witless, spammy memes still showing? Hey Suz..how are you! Well Dr. Amy (Skeptical OB) didnt like my views at all. I started great threads but she didt agree that we are bombing 7 countries and that what happened to the election was possibly visioned by Back to the Future stuff etcwow!! I had no profanity or what just discussing what she posted. Its really a shame w/ main stream science stuff and vaccines. The only thing I did wrong was express my input. I know people are scared of Trump and it was in her article, fear. So I tried to raise the blog out of the fear. Its going to be OK! Sighs that is my vent for the day. Better things to do but love my family more. I guess you have similar experiences with her site? I normally try to avoid biased sites, but have ended up in such places when following a fellow anti MANDATORY vax ally into the muck and mire, through the backdoor via my dashboard. And I simply consider such unfair and impartial censure on these sites as just another notch in my belt or chlnk in my armor. Im not sure if Ive been on that particular site or not, but have found myself in some pretty RAW places. I wouldnt give it a second thought. Im also too old to get all chicken little-ed over a new prez! Like you, Im sure things will be status quo in due time. Good to hear from you as well Laura, and Im sure our paths will continue to cross, as it seems were on the same page on several issues. Yeah her article had fear on it, so I was being positive. Totally did not go for my point of view. Thanks so much. Your reply helps put things in a better perspective. I had not idea she was a coward and ran when I went through the muck mire..lol! Just a real shame I did like her blog, but oh well! Its like she didnt give any warnings or steering the thread back to the discussion etc. She had a bad day or just dont like people having freedom of speech. The smoke is so bad here. Our eyes hurt, coughing. 15 fires in N. Carolina, a few in N. Georgia. Someone is setting them. They dont think of people having health issues like heart lung stuff. not interested not doing them If HE is for it, its dangerous.automatically American government has No right to inflict the medical world onto Sovereign Citizens, in any way, shape, or, form. One thing Ive learned over the past 8 years is if obama is for it, IT IS BAD! President Trump needs to erase this executive order, and every other executive order that low-life communist signed. EVERY SINGLE ONE! Trump has to do this on day ONE! Only Congress can make law, Executive orders are non-law. hahahamy 22++ up- vote comment has been ignominiously removed from the top o the post here!!!! by the spooks .just so ya know peoplethat AP isquite possibly a compromised psy-op Kontrolled by the NSA neoziocons Are you in disqus or on the AP site? APthey just moved me from top spot to a more ignominious back page waaaay down the site atypical vacuoles dooosh When they do that to me I just keep re posting. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4dba0f23cf72b98bd9c75d7c2fc8d27bfa85d195422b8c0db361864a09698bd0.png hahahahahahahahaahahaha! Consensus science https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9391344a71c9f8b790bc84869a0e646f18f2d2aed272b2516642463851233e63.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29caa8b67460692ece417e17b1c050466879eb42ebcff7f3720d50b0722c9212.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/83f0a6192894dcc744abf00260cd60edb677436d2a1301af2b83114706b3f46b.jpg 1)Please can you show that it relies on massive media campaigns? How do you know this is a media campaign? But I trust that we can throw out all the vaccine-autism injury stories since they rely on the #HearThisWell tag and Vaxxed? 2)Please show me where there is any mandatory ingestion or injection? Note that mandates are yet a third thing. 3)Show me the goverment and corporate collusion. 4)Ah, good. We can stop listening to Andrew Wakefield 5)Can you show us the troll swarm please? Note, troll does not mean disagreed with me. 6)Dont be absurd. Its either smarter than 200+ years of global medical and scientific medical consensus or dumb enough to be able to be confused by mere seeds of confusion and ad populum arguments. Not both. Pick one. 7)What page on rational reasoning? Depopulation is good business for Big Pharma. Hi, Actually no,It would be in their interest to have lots of people suffering from vaccine preventable diseases,dead people can not PAY. Trico, I am opposed to any laws forcing people to take vaccines. I am also opposed to any laws forcing parents to vaccinate their children. Now, please could you point me to such a law so I can voice my objections? However, be aware that Im expecting jail or people being held downyou know, actual force. How do the effective doses in the topical applications compare to the effective dose in vaccines? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png I was forced to have an alternative Flu shot. Flublox. Suppose to be very PURE. the fact it was advertised as such made me think otherwiae Did it cause any problems? Stupid question. You know darn well problems may not manifest themselves until weeks. months or years later. So how do you know that a problem that happens years after a flu shot is related to the flu shot? YOU GET THE FLU SHOT EVERY YEAR and after a few years you wont be blogging much then we wont have to read your disinformation you will be an out of work zombie . Almost every year. I think two years ago I missed it. after a few years you wont be blogging much Why is that? Combine that shot with his consumption of diet coke and chips and he will truly be a basket case. Alzheimers, heart disease, osteoporosis, arthritis and god knows what else. And I can hardly wait. Yea bring it on!!! Decades even! Every health problem one has is caused by vaccines, even ones your parents got. Heard it all before. /s Hi there.It was pure what? And why were you forced? So you were held down, were you? I CANNOT believe there are still those who DEFEND Vaccines OMG!!!!! DO THE RESEARCH, OMG so many BRAINDEAD People who still drink the poisen Coolaid!!!! They get paid I would dearly love to get paid,where do I sign up? If I could get paid to debunk false information on the internet, where do I sign up? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8cb621e92852cdf74a2c970d47e8c3829a90c3126ae97e96fd8c5ecfe1eacce.jpg FORMALDEHYDE KILLS 30 ML x 37% SOLUTION = 11 ML KILLS AND YOU SAY 50 GRAMS IS OK YOU NUTJOB. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AMOUNT INJECTED INTO YOU. by Kate Raines VACCINE IMPACT Warning of the dangers of formaldehyde in the workplace, the governments own Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) says, health hazards of formaldehyde are primarily due to its toxic effects after inhalation, after direct contact with the skin or eyes by formaldehyde in liquid or vapor form, and after ingestion Adding that Ingestion of as little as 30 ml of a 37% solution of formaldehyde (formalin) can result in death and Diverse damage to other organ systems including the liver, kidney, spleen, pancreas, brain, and central nervous systems can occur from the acute response to ingestion of formaldehyde.1 Yet, they dont even mention the effects of exposure by injection, as when formaldehyde is pumped into a newborn baby as part of the HepB vaccine, currently given right after birth, or along with a host of other vaccine ingredients injected over the next few months of the infants life (click CDC Vaccine Expedient List to see how frequently formaldehyde shows up as a vaccine ingredient).2 Source for that rant please https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e80ba9586702a1b0e5081bb8c0ce96d445598ee4b1034c02a80e9a10da04b84d.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee98c8926c4d28ee31879307de07ec2eb2c3c5f64dd6ce719d7d66ce34f02e4f.jpg AND YOU DUMB DUMB WOULD STICK THIS TOXIC CHEMICAL INTO YOUR BABY HEALTH IMPACT NEWS :- Formaldehyde Is a Recognized Carcinogen and Health Threat As represented by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS),7 a number of watchdog agencies including the American Cancer Society,8 the FDA,9 the National Cancer Institute (NCI),10 and others have classified formaldehyde as a known or probable cancer-causing agent, or carcinogen, and OSHA adds that it is not only a complete carcinogen but also a sensitizing agent that can cause an immune system response upon initial exposure.11 It is known to be highly irritating to the eyes and respiratory tissues and skin, particularly with repeated exposure. except in minsicule amounts. Yeah, well, the amount in a vaccine *is* minscule. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee98c8926c4d28ee31879307de07ec2eb2c3c5f64dd6ce719d7d66ce34f02e4f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e80ba9586702a1b0e5081bb8c0ce96d445598ee4b1034c02a80e9a10da04b84d.jpg Hydrogen peroxide is necessary in tiny amounts whereas formalin is a toxin which the body expels and neutralises you dumb chemist . Do you want a second Cutter Incident nworder? If the answers no, then you need formaldehyde to be in there. THE WAY TO AVOID THE CUTTER INCIDENT IS TO STOP ALL VACCINATIONS No, nworder, I am not aware of this at all. If you know, youll have actual evidence care to share it? So where are all the extra cases then? Because there werent thousands of kids being killed with polio jabs. THERE WERE 100S OF THOUSANDS OF KIDS KILLED AND MAIMED WITH POLIO VAX AND EVEN NOW IT IS HAPPENING IN INDIA AND AFRICA WITH GATES POLIO VACCINE VRM TIMELINE OF THE GREAT POLIO HOAX :- 1955 Reports that doctors on the staff of the National Institutes for Health are avoiding vaccination of their children with the Salk vaccine. After experimenting with 1,200 monkeys, they declared the Salk vaccine worthless as a preventative and a danger to take. 1955 First vaccinated generation become adolescents. 1955 Vermont reports a 266% increase in polio since vaccinations began in 1954. 1955 Rhode Island reports 454% increase in polio since vaccinations in 1954. 1955 Massachusetts reports 642% increase in polio since vaccinations began in 1954 with vaccination of 130,000 children. In response, the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis states that the increase in cases was due to the fact that no children were vaccinated there. Massachusetts bans the sale of Salk vaccine. 1955 Dr. Graham W. Wilson, director of Britains Public Health Laboratory Service, who knew about the NIH Salk vaccine trials, says I do not see how any vaccine prepared by Salks method can be guaranteed safe. 1955 US Surgeon General Scheele admits in a closed session of the AMA that Salk polio vaccine is hard to make and no batch can be proven safe before given to children. Despite this fact, the public is told that the vaccine is safe. The government announces that it has the intention to vaccinate 57 million people before August 1955. 1955 Surgeon General Scheele (who never practiced medicine a day in his life) goes on public radio saying I have complete confidence in the Salk vaccine. I urge doctors to continue vaccinations. 1956 Seventeen states in the United States reject their government-supplied Salk polio vaccine. 1956 Idaho health director Peterson states that polio only struck vaccinated children in areas where there had been no cases of polio since the preceeding autumn. In 90% of the cases, the paralysis occurred in the arm in which the vaccine had been injected. Citation needed. I think 1/240th to 1/12th of whats naturally in an infants bloodwell, if its harmful, wed all die soon after birth at best. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH 50 GRAMS OF FORMALDEHYDE IS ? WE BREATH OUT CO2 BY THE BUCKETFUL BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS SAFE TO INJECT. Good bye freedom. This is part of the globalist agenda to control us all. Very manipulative and lethal. Soros has to be stopped. This is so wrong, and like a trooper offering himself as to how safe it is. He is not a child or infant, He has all the money one can need to protect himself from affects, that may not be the real vaccine being injected into him, Oh wait they dont lie we can believe everything they have to offer. crp The research linking autism to the MMR vaccine is real. Simply view VAXXED for the entire truth about vaccines and their link to autism and several other neurological and auto immune diseases. Their words, not mine. ALL vaccines contain neurotoxins. ALLvaccines destroy natural immunity. ALL vaccines contain some or all of the following mercury (flu vaccine), formaldehyde, MSG, aluminum, antibiotics, phenol, Polysorbate 80, squalene, GMO viral proteins, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue, egg albumen, cow serum, pig serum, dog kidney tissue, gelatin, and glyphosate (yes, Roundup in ALL vaccines made from egg albumen or gelatin). This is a partial list folks, but you get the picture. VACCINES ARE DEADLY POISON. VACCINE MANDATES ARE ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON. Cheers. Oh, for Gods sake! Those VAXXED people dont know their tails from a hole in the ground. Wakefield was stripped of his British medical license. It gets worse from there. TROL ALERT!!!L P.O.S!I hope youre BOTH arrested for aiding abetting genocideyour day will comelaff nowbut your day will come be afraid be very afraid K00K ALERT!!!!!1111!!!!!! eddysachs, I suggest a few less ellipsis, a few more CAps, and many moar exclamation points!!!11!!!!!!! GFYS Very eloquent, eddysachs, but youve munged it up again. It should be along the lines of: Keep at it, eddy. Your day will come so be afraid, be very afraid. Stripped by the MEDICAL MAFIA. Well TROLL you obviously never watched the movie. It isnt about Dr.Wakefield, its about William Thompson at the CDC and his research PROVING the link to AUSD and the MMR vaccine. Sorry troll, you FAILED. Wakefraud was the director. Thompson was played by an actor. Wakefraud and Brian Hooker deceived Thompson, who was an idiot for allowing this to happen. They recorded him without his permission, and put his voice into a previous video without his permission. Youre a LIAR LOL! Your idols have feet of clay!Thompson himself says this: http //morganverkamp com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/ Cherry picking from the falseangel FalseAngel is a total troll and a shill. She pretty much posts lies and exaggeration constantly. What hogwash. People are you going to be swayed by the rubbish FalseAngel posts? I mean REALLY you would conclude this person is stable and rational? Yawn. Sorry your rant fails to convince me. Are you aware this is a satire site? oh wait, maybe your post was satire? youre the really bad joke you soulless vampire sensitive little vacuole I dont think selfnews Post is satire, Kathy. Proof of Poes Law is overwhelming. At least, thats what people are saying. Despite having voted for Barack Obama twice over nonetheless there are a growing number of things hes done I neither support nor agree with. But this latest EO is unarguably one of the wisest and greatest moves of his entire Presidency not just for our own nation but the entire planet. Dont mind these vermin bags of s**t GH.theyll get theres have to stand naked in front of their makerpay me now or pay me later.(lol)..I can smell the sulphur coming off their comments Funny, I believe is was Hugo Chvez who once took the podium after W spoke and said it smells like sulphur. The research studying a link between vaccines and autism was real and it disproved the link. Weve known for a long time that the unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so the two obviously arent connected. THIS IS RUBBISH the Amish have almost no rate of autism whereas americas is around 1 child in 60 and RISING. OTHER TOXINS CAN ALSO CAUSE AUTISM LIKE ROUND UP HERBICIDE ETC BUT VACCINATION IS THE MAIN CAUSE. AMERICA IS A COUNTRY OF MEDICAL AND INDUSTRIAL TOXINS I think if you capitalized a few more words, your nonsense would be a little more convincing! /sarc America is a country of medical [and industrial] toxins. Yeah if youd just get out of the way, we could fix that. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/537c403e44d24a431256f772e0232f14ea0c61d0744724c3cec8f4f93a8afad0.png Never fails to amuse me how many people dont get satire. No, youre right! It is difficult to find the satirical components in infants being injected with toxic substances. Still arguing with me about this being satire. Hm. So can measles! I see, and approve, what you did there: Shill! Specifically a pharma A$S kissing shill! Bull! Learn some basic 9th grade chemistry. 11th or 12th grade in the USA, sia; however, they should have got the concept of atom, element, compound, and mixture back in 7th grade general science. This is an element vs compound discussion, Reality. So 7th grade, Huh. Ok you keep throwing that stupid statement ( sound bite ) out there so please explain why? Because people keep failing at making the really basic chemistry distinction. Ill just mention that my six and ten year olds can both name the parts of the atom. The definition of an element and at least understand what a compound is. There really should be no barrier to learning this. GET YOUR KIDS VACCINATED 50 + TIMES AND THEY WILL SOON FORGET THEIR KNOWLEDGE HELPED BY MERCURY ALUMINIUM AND 100 OTHER TOXINS Well Im probably going to take them for an influenza shot this weekend. Ill quiz them before and after ok? YOU ARE UNLIKELY TO EVER TELL THE TRUTH IN ANY AREA SINCE TROLLING EVENTUALLY GETS TO YOUR SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG But flu is easy to get over and its usually a cold anyway which the doctor calls flu. Just to keep you in the loop my kids had the flu vaccine this morning. From a multi-dose vile no less first one Ive seen in a while. Tonight I quizzed my six year old son. He was still able to name all the parts of an atom, their charges, their component parts (quarks), the definition of an element. He needed a bit of a hint on the names of anti-particles. So while he still has an edge over you would you in your expert opinion say that was vaccine damage there? Good to hear! ITS AL MATHER TALKING TO HIMSELF AGAIN lol ANECDOTAL STORIES FROM A TROLL SHOULD NOT COME INTO DECISIONS ABOUT DESTROYING A CHILDS IMMUNE SYSTEM AND BRAIN . BUT LETS SAY YOU ARE A GENUINE FATHER AND THE STORY IS REAL (which I seriously doubt ) :- You have just got injections of mercury and aluminium , foreign squalene , formaldehyde , foreign DNA , unknown viruses even unknown by the makers , known viruses , sleepy attenuated viruses that will suddenly wake up and be much worse than a dose of flue and will affect your children for the rest of their lives- You have ignored TIME DAMAGE SELDOM SHOWS UP IMMEDIATELY To sacrifice your childrens health to earn a few dollars is beyond contempt. With 70 doses to go your children will be unable to counter the poisons and health trouble lies ahead Damage from vaccines is relative it is on a sliding scale which is obvious SO YOU HAVE IGNORED THIS AS WELL. THERE ARE OVER 200 FLU VIRUSES WHICH CONTINUALLY MUTATE THE VACCINE COVERS ABOUT THREE VIRUSES. FLU IS RELATIVELY HARMLESS LIKE A BAD COLD You have risked the health of your children for NO advantage at all but for a mountain of disadvantages . HOWEVER MY INSTINCT IS THAT YOU ARE A TOTAL FAKE TROLL WHO AVOIDS VACCINATION AND PROBABLY HAS NO CHILDREN . ANECDOTAL STORIES FROM A TROLL SHOULD NOT COME INTO DECISIONS ABOUT DESTROYING A CHILDS IMMUNE SYSTEM AND BRAIN . I was simply asking for your expert advice. Does the fact that my six year old needed some help remembering the names of anti-particles a sign of vaccine damage? TIME DAMAGE SELDOM SHOWS UP IMMEDIATELY So what, should I ask him next week or next month? Damage from vaccines is relative So someone could be vaccine damaged and still much smarter than you? OF COURSE YOU CAN HAVE A GENERAL LOWERING OF IQ BY SAY 20% DUE TO MERCURY SO SOMEONE COULD STILL BE SMARTER THAN THE NEXT PERSON EVEN WITH HIS LOWER IQ To tell you the truth I think your reasoning powers demonstrate a low IQ . YES ASK HIM LATER ON IT CAN BE A GRADUAL THING OR SUFFED DEATH LIKE SIDS. YES ASK HIM LATER ON IT CAN BE A GRADUAL THING So when do we know that the effect was zero? Days, weeks, months? Huh. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg So someone could be vaccine damaged and still much smarter than you Leading the witness! Yes ! you appear to understand good boy collect your 75 cents troll money . USA = mass murdering psychopaths, war criminals Check out WHALE / VACCINE. For everything youd want to know about vaccines. Trying to quickly do big Pharmas bidding before Trump gets into office. The had HRC in their pocket. One of her first acts would have been to get rid of all exemptions. OBAMA is one of the biggest slimbags to ever run this country The next time you do a fake photo how about you at least try and match the skin color Idiots My body my choice~ Nobody owns me but me~~ No-one is passing a law to hold you down and vaccinate you so one must ask.did you have a point? YES ITS COMING FORCED VACCINATION IT HAPPENED IN EUROPE AROUND 200 YEARS AGO PEOPLE WERE FORCIBLY VACCINATED FOR SMALLPOX it was almost 100% in Prussia THIS JAB OF JENNERS COW PUS INCREASED THE SMALLPOX RATE AND 100S OF THOUSANDS DIED OF GUESS WHAT SMALLPOX . THE HIGHEST OUTBREAKS OF SMALLPOX WERE IN THE MOST HIGHLY VACCINATED TOWNS . HYGIENE SANITATION STOPPED SMALLPOX Evidence its coming now please? The vaccine contained cowpox so it was physically incapable of causing smallpox. If its a case of hygiene and sanitation stopping smallpox, could you please show me an incidence graph where CASES/Morbidity/Incidence dropped before vaccines? Do not mention deaths/mortality. Dont be daft. Hygine Sanitation Stopped Smallpox. Then youll have no trouble showing me an INCIDENCE/CASES/MORBIDITY chart where the smallpox *disease* dropped prior to vaccines but after some new sanitation and hygiene improvements. Remember, MORTALITY/DEATHS is a different thing. SMALLPOX VACCINE CAUSED SMALLPOX SANITATION NUTRITION HYGIENE STOPPED IT 125000 VACCINATED GERMANS DIED OF SMALLPOX THE HISTORY OF SMALL-POX IN GERMANY. They say, Look at Prussia, and the way vaccination has stamped out small-pox there. Very well, we will look at Prussia, which, I may say, has kept better vaccination records than any other country in Europe, except, perhaps, Sweden. In 1834, which is twenty years before England adopted the Compulsory Vaccination Act, so severe was the Act in Prussia that, in addition to primary vaccination, every child had to be vaccinated over again when he started upon his school life; he had to be re-vaccinated on going from college to college; and re-vaccinated over again when he entered the Army, which meant every healthy male out of the whole of Prussia. And so severe was the Act that if any man refused to be vaccinated he was ordered to be held down and vaccinated by force; and so thoroughly was it done that he was vaccinated in ten places on each arm. That was stiff enough for anybody, I should think. (Laughter,) This roused Prussia, and she began to look about her; she saw the cause, and she was determined to remedy it. She brought good water into her cities, purified her river Spree, introduced a complete drainage system throughout the country(loud cheers)she got rid of her rookeries, and ordered model barracks to be built for the soldiers; and away fled the small-pox, like the Philistines before the Children of Israel. Bill Gates was on TED Talk blathering about how to reduce the worlds population through the use of vaccines. Huh? This is specially scary when Obama starts making it legal to detain people and enforce universal vaccinations. What would be in those vaccines that helps reduce population? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c196e173790f0a7029d7ed030ad470b4bdeef3b5b73a8f57459ce99b575c240.jpg This program will be used to inject tracking devices in the entire world population. No, just their pets. youre are very bright young man Hanzgood to know you Likewise, cheers. Yep, intended. You have a young mind, I trust you know what I mean by that. That would be the same Dr. Hugh Fudenberg whose medical license was revoked in 1995, wouldnt it? The one that in the 1980s embraced the long rebutted fringe position that the MMR vaccine is causally associated with ASDs? Who has claimed to have healed autistic children using his own bone marrow? Whose claim regarding that the risk of developing Alzheimers increases with increased receipt of flu vaccines is entirely unsupported? Whos a creationist? Who has his own page at whale-to? Who is entry # 135 in the Encyclopedia of American Loons? That Hugh Fudenberg? 850 papers published in peer review journals and the 13th most quoted biologist of our time UNTIL he opposed the MEDICAL MAFIA. This is what happens folks when a a good honest man goes against the MEDICAL MOB. They denigrate him and do and say everything they can to ruin him. Its no wonder that doctors who oppose vaccines are afraid to say so publicly. JGC you are the lowest of the low. Truly a person with no morals you would have been right at home as a guard at Dachau. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg Wow we have attracted two top shills to counter us. Such fun having a games of wits with these unarmed bad guys. His license was revoked because he used his medical office to obtain narcotics for personal use, Ron. In the Matter of: HERMAN HUGH FUDENBERG, M.D.. Medical License #7275, (M.146-89)(M-208-94). Respondent. If were going to base the truthfulness of what a medical professional says on something like obtaining narcotics for personal use half the medical professionals in my area would be called liars. You certainly know some interesting people, Ron. Theyre sick, or theyre taking supplements, or they refuse to vaccinate, or theyre drug addicts. taking supplements ? lol hah hoh heh heh plenty of big pharma drug addicts millions of them refusing to vaccinate excellent shay stop talking to yourself Have you found that study yet? IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SET UP BY BIG PHARMA GANGSTERS . Not according to Ron. idiot I see a lot of vitriol thrown at Obama (and a lot of disgusting, childish, cheap shots), but Id be willing to bet that Trumps just as controlled by the puppet masters. We shall see by his actions. Early indications arent good, with all the neocons and Wall Street types hes bringing into his administration. The problem isnt the particular politicians, its the system itself. The system has been corrupted so that the only choices we get, including fake outsiders like Trump, are those who carry water for this global super-mafia. So hate all you want against one politician or party or their supposed opposites, but theyre really two faces of the same beast. Youre just falling into their trap, dividing yourselves against those you should be allying yourself with. Wake up. I never believe God is real and miraculous, after so many years of suffering from this deadly and incurable disease called Hepatitis B(Hbsag,HBV) But today am now a happy mother and wife to my family, I got cured from this disease from this Dr called Mohammed Saqec Popwell, he cured me with the grace 0f God with his herpes medicine, i cant keep quite when i know there are millions of patient suffering for this same disease, please contact him if you Hbsag or any other sick he will cure you and make you happy for the rest of your life, He is real God sent to me, here is his contact info email. Looking forward to Trump cancelling that order! And WHY was he talking to Hooker, NO CHOICE for that? OH? You claim Wakefield recorded Thompson WILLINGLY discuss his work? No, Hooker recorded him. Its really hard to inadvertently record someone, AD. You said Wakefield and Hooker were involved. So you are lying then? THE EXPERTS SAY VACCINATION IS A FRAUD There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good. The manufacturers of these vaccines know they are worthless but they go on selling them anyway. Dr J Anthony Morris, PhD (Former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and Research Virologist, US FDA) Dr Bernadine Healy, MDThere are unanswered questions about vaccine safety No one should be threatened by the pursuit of this knowledge. I think public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational without sufficient studies of causation. Dr Bernadine Healy, MD (Former Director, National Institute of Health and Former President, American Red Cross) Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination. Dr Harris L Coulter, PhD Vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths.- Dr Viera Scheibner, PhD The only safe vaccine is one that is never used. Dr James A Shannon, MD (Former Director, National Institutes of Health) We are setting up the younger generation for a potential calamity. Vaccines build up only one line of your immune system (the antibody system) but put the main immune system (cellular immunity) to sleep. You need both for fully developed immunity. Dr Robert Rowen, MD How come your medical experts all seem to be nut jobs, cranks or have no medical degree? No, some of them just werent what s/he claims. For example, Dr Morris was never the Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA. THEY ARE MAINLY VERY QUALIFIED AND YOU KNOW YOU ARE LYING Dr Bernadine Healy, MD (Former Director, National Institute of Health and Former President, American Red Cross) Would that be the American Red Cross that is promoting MMR vaccination so heavily? Launched in 2001 by the American Red Cross, United Nations Foundation, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, UNICEF and World Health Organization, the Measles Rubella Initiative first aimed to make a difference in Africa. Since then the American Red Cross and its Measles Rubella Initiative partners have helped to vaccinate one billion children in more than 80 developing countries, making significant gains in the global effort to stop the disease. www redcross dot org THE EXPERTS TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT VACCINES :- The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective. Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz The chief, if not the sole cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination. Dr. Robert Bell, once Vice President, International Society for Cancer Research at the British Cancer Hospital Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio. Dr. Allen Greenberg, MD In my medical career Ive treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones. Dr. Philip Incao, MD I found the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realize that this is not so. Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD It is dangerously misleading to say that vaccines make us immume or protect against disease, when in fact that is the exact opposite of the truth. Vaccines only drive disease deeper and cause us to harbor it chronically. Dr. Richard Moscowitz, MD Experts? That bunch of quacks? Im still trying to track down the elusive Dr Robert Bell. I think his middle name must be Tinker. Speaking of quacks. How long have you been one? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT SINCE YOU ARE TALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN a sign of madness lol he he he hoh hoh Dr. Robert Bell, once Vice President, International Society for Cancer Research at the British Cancer Hospital There is no such thing as the British Cancer Hospital. Dont you ever stop to check your sources? DONT LET DUMB DUMB COLLECT HIS CASH OVER YOU OR YOUR CHILDS DEAD OR ILL BODY In 1866, an English physician described a very strange illness. Children looked like Mongols. His name was Down. Thats why we call it Downs Syndrome today I should add that this syndrome is a result of the vaccinations carried throughout England by Jenner in 1796 It (Downs Syndrome) is probably the first congenital disease caused by vaccinations. In Germany, the first child with evidence of Downs Syndrome was reported in 1922. Today, one in every 700 newborns has it. Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age. Dr. Paul Frame, MD, Journal of Family Practice Only after realizing that routine immunizations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates. Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD Ill talk about vaccines. Number one, vaccines make people sick. They dont work. They dont protect. The use of vaccines is totally wrong! Its perfect nonsense based on fear. They are dangerous. One child out of five has overwhelming disabilities from vaccines neurological problems, seizures. Ive got a whole list. There are plenty of books on this subject. Doctors dont even read about this. Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD PMID number please. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6df0b23b2288545f97082e2fccd26a5badf138101afd08f310b05f6781b8a638.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png MEASLES VACCINE KILLED 108 IN THE LAST TEN YEARS 1: False. There was that woman who was killed by giant cell pneumonia which is only from measles. Plus all the SSPE deaths 2: You compare seat-belts to through-the-windshield deaths, not heaven. How does the measles vaccine compare to deaths before the vaccine? 108/10 (and this is an overcount from VAERs) = ~11 a year. Wild measles, pre-vaccine era after death rate had dropped substantially about 400 a year. Why exactly is this a good trade? Lurkers: Sure, you want to take medical advice from someone who doesnt know that 40011. No, there were 108 VAERS reports (maybe, I havent looked it up myself, just going on the urban legend number) of death from measles vaccine in the past 10 years. VAERS itself says a report doe not mean causation. Both false. Unless you want to look foolish, dont believe every conspiracy you see on the internet. Even Snopes debunked this one (As can anyone, with a couple minutes of checking the sources) MEASLES IS HARMLESS TO THE HEALTHY AND THE UNHEALTHY SHOULD NEVER GET VACCINATED FOR ANYTHING SNOPES IS THE WORLDS JOKE SITE ITS JOB IS TO SMEAR THE TRUTH SAME AS YOURS THINK TWICE THE GLOBAL VACCINE INSTITUTE :- WHY POISON YOUR BODY FOR LIFE WITH THIS TOXIC VACCINE :- The measles vaccine has a long history of causing serious adverse reactions. The pharmaceutical company responsible for producing the measles vaccine publishes an extensive list of ailments known to have occurred following the shot. Severe afflictions affecting nearly every body system blood, lymphatic, digestive, cardiovascular, immune, nervous, respiratory, and sensory have been linked to this preventive inoculation. These include: encephalitis, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, Guillain-Barre syndrome, febrile and afebrile convulsions, seizures, ataxia, ocular palsies, anaphylaxis, angioneurotic edema, bronchial spasms, panniculitis, vasculitis, atypical measles, thrombocytopenia, lymphadenopathy, leukocytosis, pneumonitis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, erythema multiforme, urticaria, deafness, otitis media, retinitis, optic neuritis, rash, fever, dizziness, headache, and DEATH (Figure 3).(41) The manufacturer also warns that the measles vaccine has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential and it isnot known whether [it] can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproductive capacity. Thus, it would be prudent to assume that the vaccine strain of virus iscapable of inducing adverse fetal effects. Also, caution should be exercised whenadministered to a nursing woman.(42) Lol. Thanks for proving my point! If the CDC falsified information could you please explain every other country in the world? Say what? The CDC falsified information. FACT. Dr. Thompsons testimony available thru Rep. Poseys office. FACT. MMR vaccine linked to huge increase in AUSD among African American boys below age 3. FACT. CDC blocked Thompsons testimony in recent lawsuit. FACT. This has nothing to do with any other country. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fcb1603d18e932fad27c48fdb553b465ae80fc4c14b43fc1f3f0ab6e2663f58.jpg Its a mistake to give up your personal medical sovereignty to establishment authorities who may not have your best interests in mind. With respect to epidemics and vaccines, the signs arent encouraging. We get one hyped infectious disease scare after another, with vaccines posed as the only rational response, along with forced quarantines. Sadly, media go right along with this agenda, never giving alternative views a fair hearing. Those who tout vaccines claim that they have saved millions of lives and stopped the great killers in their tracks. However, historical data from the U.S. and U.K. governments, among others, show that mortality from infectious diseases was plummeting long before vaccines were introduced, and that the rate of decline did not increase (and in a number of cases decreased) following their introduction. When this fact is provided, many vaccine proponents falsely deny that the pro-vaccine movement claims they reduce mortality, saying that this is a red herring. They follow that up by saying that the point of vaccines is to reduce morbidity (a fancy word for incidence). If thats the case, and they dont save lives, why force them on everyone? If the answer is that they reduce complications from these diseases, then show us the independent studies that prove this. Also, any such reduction should be balanced against the many, many reports of complications associated with vaccines themselves. Moreover, there is evidence that suppression of some infectious diseases (for example, measles) in childhood deprives the individual of a prime opportunity to challenge and enhance the immune response, resulting in a more vulnerable adult. Another problem is the bullying of people, particularly skeptical parents, to accede to vaccination because of so-called herd immunity, implying that you are endangering others if you dont subject your family to vaccination. This is not only a tacit admission that vaccines (at least those on offer today) dont work very well, but also absurd in that many vaccines, and most that are recommended for children, arent designed to prevent transmission, as was helpfully pointed out by Harvard immunologist Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych. If you want to go with the vaccination agenda, do so, but dont force them on others who dont share your faith in them. Lots of false information in this post. If anyone wants examples, feel free to ask. Specifically, what is false? False anti-vaccine claim #1 Since you brought it up, lets use measles as an example. The mortality was decreasing before the vaccine, but by no means plummeting. It was going down gradually decade after decade with advances in medical treatment. The incidence of the disease was unchanged for at least fifty years. Once the vaccine was introduced, both the incidence and mortality did plummet, dropping over 90%, permanently, within a decade. Want another example? NOT AT ALL MEASLES MORTALITY WAS PLUMMETING BEFORE THE VACCINE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4363c233bd0fcad29da3386a418f44cd32f74b78e16d7e8959df39687dedf775.jpg Thanks for proving you dont know how to read a chart. THE CHART IS AS CLEAR AS A BELL EVEN YOU CAN READ IT NOW STOP TELLING LIES. REVELATION :- Dont sell your soul for telling lies a few dollars your big pharma bosses couldnt give a hoot if you died tomorrow . Yep, the chart is clear- Q. How long it it take for measles deaths to drop about 90% from the year 1900? Thank you vaccines, for doing what nutrition and sanitation never could! THE DROP CLEARLY COMES BEFORE MEASLES VACCINES AND EVEN FLATLINES BEFORE THE JAB. THIS WAS DUE TO SANITATION , NUTRITION AND BETTER LIVING STANDARDS If you are a properly trained troll you would obviously not pick such a barefaced LIE. REVELATIONS :- THE DROP CLEARLY COMES BEFORE MEASLES VACCINES AND EVEN FLATLINES BEFORE THE JAB. Yup, and then after the jab, it plummets even faster. Thats my point. THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO PLUMMET IT FLATLINES you got vaccinated and poisoned for nothing now you even work for them lol See the question was How can you tell?. Whatever Hughs credentials he likely didnt do a study. Nor is there any credible evidence to suggest that this his assertion is true. So I guess your answer is that you have no idea why you believe this. Flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury. One microgram is considered toxic. Nope. As mentioned you cant expect toxicity to be uniform between compounds and their respective elements. Also absorbing a single microgram is not considered a toxic dose. And 70% of the injectable flu vaccine in the US is single-dose, Thimerosal-free. All you have to do is ask for it. I was about to mention that I havent seen a multi-dose in forever. The drugstore seems to use single use ones. Thats my experience as well. Ive begun to wonder who uses multi-dose. I think my local health dept. does. I havent had a flu shot in my docs office in a long time so Im not sure if they do. Perhaps its just a convenience thing. While unrelated I know that new regs regarding sterilization have many smaller clinics moving to mostly disposable products. My guess would be institutions: long term care facilities, hospitals, nursing homes, retirement homes, corporate sponsored flu vaccination days, etc. WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKING TO YOURSELF lol Hugh Fudenberg 850 papers published in peer review journals and you Johnny how many papers have you had published in peer review journals? None you say. Oh and Im sure you have some sort of medical / science credentials. No. Then I thing Ill believe Hugh Fudenberg. Then I thing Ill believe Hugh Fudenberg. So according to you. It doesnt matter if Fudenberg did this research or not. If he didnt his word is good enough that what he says would actually be the result right? b-HCG is used in vaccines but nowhere near the dose you would need to interfere with fertility. Not only that but you would need consistent boosting to have any real effect on population. If it was so effective that one to three doses would cover the majority of fertile periods it would be a cheaper alternative to progesterone which we have to actually use an implant in order to even get 3-4 years worth of protection. Gee Johnny I thought the Tetanus vaccine protected people for ten years? These women who were vaccinated received as many as 5 tetanus shots within a short period of time and men didnt. And curiously all these women were of child bearing age. These women who were vaccinated received as many as 5 tetanus shots within a short period of time and men didnt. That is probably made up. Its still not enough b-HCG to interfere with fertility. The series is 2 doses at least a month apart, plus a booster six months later. So three within 7 months. Thats to protect the moms, and also to protect their babies from neonatal tetanus. TETANUS IMMUNISATION DOES NOT STOP TETANUS FROM KILLING YOU HOLISTIC SQUID :- Is natural immunity possible? According to this article by my friend Heather of Mommypotamus, there are numerous studies that show that populations of unvaccinated people have high levels of anti-toxin granting them natural immunity without ever having a single dose of medication or getting tetanus by gradually and unintentionally ingesting the tentanus bacteria in day-to-day living. While eating spoonfuls of tetanus laden dirt is not necessarily a good solution, this gets me thinking given the right support, doesnt it make sense that a healthy human should be able to fight off the complications from tetanus in the blood stream? Hang on! Well get to that #2 The vaccine is packed with toxins A tetanus shot is created by using the tetanospasmin toxin to produce an anti-toxin. When the vaccine enters the blood stream its supposed to alert the body to produce antibodies that protect against the tetanus bacteria if it ever presents itself. In addition to the anti-toxin, a tetanus vaccine contains formaldehyde (preservative), thimerosal (antiseptic and antifungal containing mercury), aluminum phosphate (adjuvant), dibasic sodium phosphate (acidic medium), and sodium phosphate monobasic (fungicidal). (source). Yuck. Besides the inherent risks of ingesting toxins like formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum, lets discuss why these toxins are especially risky CONTD nworder tells us that HOLISTIC SQUID and Heather of Mommypotamus said these things about tetanus vaccine: blah, blah, blah. Wow! Holistic Squid and Heather (Why are they always named Heather?)! On teh internets! Thats some serious scientific credibility you bring to bear, nworder! Id be more impressed if you would have got sovrun1776 and HippieCrystalChic94 to give us their analysis of the various vaccines. Anyone who looks at a twenty five year old paper where three vaccinated persons still came down with tetanus and uses that to claim it doesnt earn the tetanus shot a big vote of confidence from me shouldnt drive. Or eat. Or fly. Or take showers. Or swim. Or undertake any other activity where someone died in spite of safety equipment/precautions to prevent it. And why werent the men vaccinated? Are they naturally immune to tetanus? And why only women of child bearing age are girls / women under 14 and over 45 immune also? Who said these other groups werent immunized? I was talking about protecting women of childbearing age and their babies. After reading the Blessed Dingbats posts I was reminded of one of the worst officers* I ever worked for. He was whining to us one day that he didnt think he should be required to use a computer because they werent in the Bible (this was in the mid-90s). I said in my most respectfully businesslike voice Neither is your car, sir. *come to think of ithe was absolutely the worst. Even worse than the one everybody called Ground Zero. Thats weird, how did you reply to a pending post? Magic. Okay, kidding aside, it appeared in my Notifications queue. Another Disqus mystery. YOU TWO ARE THE SAME PERSON SO YOU WILL KNOW THE ANSWER INSTANTLY LOL your caps lock appears to be broken. Now, as to your little conspiracy, a sock-puppet couldnt reply to a pending post any more than any other person. It appears the comment moved from pending to posted but still appears as pending to me. YOU JUST MADE UP THAT ANECDOTAL STORY NO REF OR PROOF LOL He probably thought you were absolutely the worst employee he ever had This poor woman couldnt pour water out of a boot with instructions printed on the heel. No wonder shes a religious zealot OK DUMB DUMB YOU WOULDNT BE A TROLL UNLESS YOU WERE AS THICK AS TWO SHORT PLANKS Needs moar all-caps and some exclamation points. It is probably a consequence of her allergy to every medication so she cant take the ones she needs. I HOPE YOU TAKE YOUR PILLS EVERY DAY lol you poor little llort BlessedtoServe: .. another thing you cant fix stupidthat should be your middle name. So.. not an insult? Ok, then. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ad2f811a76fbda17da763c485f96e7f6e2856c267aabcccaea22d1e5a1a1325.jpg So whats your plan to get rid of the formaldehyde already there? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d48d510d6045601882d27f48657577af87933cf0960021e091dcecdb30f4be1.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee98c8926c4d28ee31879307de07ec2eb2c3c5f64dd6ce719d7d66ce34f02e4f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d71d5005b7db616b80e7d7b820ccb26db86beb5a0db136f8953f775131d2772.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e80ba9586702a1b0e5081bb8c0ce96d445598ee4b1034c02a80e9a10da04b84d.jpg Now, please tell us two things: 1)What is the dose at which formaldehyde is a known carcinogen and 2How does that compare to the product? Without those two pieces of info, youre either a)clueless or b)trying to scare us. Either way, not someone Id advise lurkers take medical advice from. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fcb1603d18e932fad27c48fdb553b465ae80fc4c14b43fc1f3f0ab6e2663f58.jpg s IF AS THE ABOVE SAYS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IS A MARVEL WHY BUGGER IT UP WITH 50 VACCINES WHY WOULD YOU NEED ANY VACCINE AT ALL LOL Citation needed for bugger up. Assumes facts not in evidence. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa2d23fa79c75a019990fc700ba080ae6ad1f35bfa872bfde42c483b7d07f66c.jpg THIS GRAPH WAS 2013 ITS MUCH WORSE NOW WITH MORE VACCINES UK Scraps Pneumonia Vaccines Because They Dont Work The United States requires infants to receive 26 vaccines (the most in the world) yet more than 6 U.S. infants die per every 1,000 live births. In contrast, Sweden and Japan administer 12 vaccines to infants, the least amount, and report less than 3 deaths per 1,000 live births. The study also found evidence that some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may actually be vaccine-related. According to a recent press release: The current study by Miller and Goldman, Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity? found a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths? Other study findings: The United States spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country; yet 33 nations have better infant mortality rates. Some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may be due to over-vaccination. Progress on reducing infant deaths should include monitoring immunization schedules and official causes of death (to determine if vaccine-related infant deaths are being reclassified). Infant mortality rates will remain high in developing nations that cannot provide clean water, proper nutrition, improved sanitation, and better access to health care. Except https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e9b8c7ac84e79de71d44afe9e6924def8ffab0e63bc2e3d4970f1708b4a3655.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg better access to health care. The US falls under the category of not being able to provide that. By the way, SIDs means that everything else has been ruled out thats the point. AMERICAN AUTISM RATES https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0eef83ea4986b9b63eaac69bc371d52e3fdbee3c10d8db7bad11bf0271d8d0e1.jpg AND VACCINES https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af3f4265ea34a56ba9a36d26595879c1a413b3e95a77543b4e008ab1adeceaf8.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.png EVERYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD KNOW ORGANIC FOODS WOULD NEVER CAUSE AUTISM THIS JUST SHOWS HOW DESPERATE YOU NUT JOBS ARE WHEN YOU MAKE UP FAKE GRAPHS TO LIE AND DECEIVE REVELATION WHERE ALL LIARS WILL END UP :- 7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8But to the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and ALL LIARS, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death. 9Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb. Yes. Thats the entire point, nworder. You continuously post this rubbish: I continue to post my refute Re your Philippine study This study was funded by Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization and retrospectively picked a small region in a Philippines with only 85 vaccinated kids born in 1984. Google the study Guess they didnt pay the researcher enough money to at least make it look credible. It is a joke. For a start the number of vaccines kids received in 1984 was much less than they receive today. Also wealthy families are far more likely to receive medical care, better education and vaccinations. Malnutrition is rife in the Philippines and poorer families who receive less medical care, poorer education and fewer vaccinations would very likely Your KIGGS study Firstly, even though the sample size was extremely large, the unvaccinated represented a very small fraction of it, 94 children,which makes it impossible to do any meaningful statistics on things such as autism which has a prevalence rate of roughly 1 in 110. Secondly, it is possible that at least some of the children for whom no record of vaccination existed might have still received a vaccine which went unrecorded. Thirdly, a lot of the data was based on a survey, which relied on parents memories, thus it is possible that prevalence rates may have been under, or over, reported. Fourthly, the survey did not ask for date of disease onset, therefore some vaccinated children could have gotten sick before being vaccinated and still be included in the vaccinated prevalence data. Re all your bogus flu studies The Cochrane Collaboration, the worlds foremost group of unbiased researchers, physicians and scientists, has performed a series of meta-analyses on the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine. In 2014 they found that vaccinating adults against influenza did not affect the number of people hospitalized nor decrease lost work. Cochrane researchers stated that their results might be overly optimistic due to the fact that 24 out of 90 studies were funded by the vaccine manufacturers, which tend to produce results favorable to their product. According to Dr. Tom Jefferson at the Cochrane Collaboration, it makes little sense to keep vaccinating against seasonal influenza based on the evidence. Jefferson has also endorsed more cost-effective and scientifically-proven means of minimizing the transmission of flu, including regular hand washing and wearing masks. There is also substantial peer-reviewed literature supporting the supplementation of Vitamin D. Dr. Jeffersons conclusions are backed by a 2013 article by Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine The preventive effect of parenteral inactivated influenza vaccine on healthy adults is small: at least 40 people would need vaccination to avoid one ILI case (95% confidence interval (CI) 26 to 128) and 71 people would need vaccination to prevent one case of influenza (95% CI 64 to 80). Vaccination shows no appreciable effect on working days lost or hospitalisation. Cochrane Collaboration. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png DONT LISTEN TO JONATHAN WHEN HE IMPLIES THAT ETHYL MERCURY IS GOOD FOR YOU AND METHYL MERCURY IS THE BAD ONE THEY ARE BOTH DEADLY . Take Another Look : An Interview with Trace Amounts co-director Shiloh Levine I learned that Ethylmercury is not the safe mercury, which a lot of people like to spout in the media. It is actually more dangerous than Methylmercury, which is the type of mercury found in fish. And it gets trapped in the brain twice as much as Methylmercury and thats where the neurological problems are.Two parts per billion is the amount of allowable mercury in our drinking water. Two hundred parts per billion is considered toxic waste. In a flu shot, that amount is fifty thousand parts per billion, which is twenty-five thousand times more than the allowable amount in drinking water. Youre injecting toxic waste into babies and pregnant mothers, and thats not okay. Irrelevant. Unless youre drinking flu vaccinesby the gallonon a daily basis. AL MATHER ON THE UPTICK lol NOT AT ALL ALL MERCURY IS EXTREMELY TOXIC AND HAS TO BE DISPOSED OF CAREFULLY BY LAW EVEN THE VACCINATION SYRINGES OR MERCURY CONTAINING LIGHTBULBS. THE ONLY PLACE THIS CAREFULNESS BECOMES RECKLESSNESS IS WHEN MERCURY IS DISPOSED OF INTO THE BODIES OF TINY BABIES. DUMB DUMB WHY DONT YOU DRINK A GALLON OF ETHYL OR METHYL MERCURY INSTEAD OF PROMOTING INJECTIONS OF MERCURY INTO INFANTS . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fcb1603d18e932fad27c48fdb553b465ae80fc4c14b43fc1f3f0ab6e2663f58.jpg ETHYL AMD METHYL MERCURY ARE BOTH BAD VERY VERY BAD THERE IS NO SAFE DOSE VACCINE NEWS He received many honors including the National Medal of Science from President Reagan, the Distinguished Service Medal for Research, the Special Lifetime Achievement Award from the Childrens Vaccine Initiative of the World Health Organization and the Maxwell Finland Award for Scientific Achievement of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases. Dr. Hilleman advised several National Institutes of Health committees, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and the World Health Organization over decades. They all had complete faith in his knowledge and expertise except for once: When he wrote in a 1991 Memo that Ethyl and Methyl mercury salts were equally most toxic. That confidential memo[5] on thimerosal in vaccines by Dr. Hilleman to Dr. Gordon Douglas, Head of Mercks Vaccine Division at the time, was made public and reported in the LA Times in 2005.[6] At the time, I was thoroughly impressed by the revelations in the Memo and wrote about them.[7] The following excerpts from the Hilleman Memo are worth repeating: In Section 5 on page 3, Dr. Hilleman rated the toxicity of mercury compounds as follows: Most toxic: Methyl and ethyl salts It is important to note that in addition to the three above-mentioned organizations, just about everybody else in the world of vaccination still seems to disagree with Dr. Hilleman, two decades later, regarding the serious toxicity of Thiomersal, an Ethyl Mercury compound used in vaccines. PMID numbers? THERE IS A REAL WORLD OUTSIDE OF PMID NUMBERS WHICH IS WHAT GOT AMERICA INTO THE POOREST NATION ON HEALTH IN THE FIRST PLACE HERE IS SOME MORE REALITY FOR YOU :- In 1976 I was working in the Gulf Country around Cape York, in an aboriginal community of about 300 people. The Health Department sent around a team and vaccinated about 100 of them against flu. Six were dead within 24 hours or so and they werent all old people, one man being in his early twenties. They threw the bodies in trucks to take to the coast where autopsies were done. It appeared they had died from heart attacks. Dr. Archie Kalokerinos, MD As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to have a naturopathic physician available. Almost all drugs are toxic and are designed only to treat symptoms and not to cure anyone. Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio. Most surgery is unnecessary and most textbooks of medicine are inaccurate and deceptive. Almost every disease is said to be idiopathic (without known cause) or genetic although this is untrue. In short, our main stream medical system is hopelessly inept and/or corrupt. The treatment of cancer and degenerative diseases is a national scandal. The sooner you learn this, the better off you will be. Dr. Alan Greenberg, MD According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from 1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious diseases in the U.S.A. were diptheria, pertussis, scarlet fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these causes had declined by 95% before the implementation of mass vaccine programs. Dr. Harold Buttram, MD https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg Like that? The Anti-vaccine Translator! Theres never been a study about _____ Vaccines are full of toxic chemicals = I have completely forgotten high school chemistry Im not anti-vaccine, but = Im certainly anti-vaccine, and the next words I say will prove it VAERS proves ______ = I dont know the meaning of the term adverse event My child is vaccine-injured = My child has autism, which science has repeatedly shown isnt caused by vaccines, but I dont want people to know Im a liar. Its not about vaccines, its about parental choice = I dont want people to know my true motives This link has 14 or 30 or 126 scientific studies proving a link between vaccines and autism = I dont understand any of those papers The science is corrupt and cant be trusted = A quack doctor who makes money by deceiving gullible people told me that the science is corrupt and cant be trusted #CDCWhistleblower = No facts will ever convince me this conspiracy isnt real Ive done hundreds of hours of research = Ive done zero hours of research, and never once worked in a research laboratory, but I stayed up all night reading conspiracy blogs Vaccines didnt eliminate disease = I dont know how to read a chart Vaccine refusers are well-educated = I believe the best way to back up a false claim is by saying youre smart Watch this youtube video = I cannot discern between reality and nonsense Go see Vaxxed, it tells the truth = Im waiting for million$ from a Nigerian prince! Check out the vaccine insert = I dont understand the vaccine insert, but it has scary-sounding words in it so Ill assume it proves me right Youre a paid shill for big pHARMa! = I give up And do you have the translation for Forced vax Or Coercion =/= Consent? Ooh. That definitely needs to be in there! I added a couple, but let me know if you have better suggestions. Heh Heh YOU ARE LIKE A COUPLE OF PRIMARY SCHOOLERS SORRY YOU ARE TALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN ONE OF YOU I like the term astroBRATS! BORING BORING YAWN NOBODY WILL READ SUCH OBVIOUS TROLL GUFF I GAVE UP How much do you get paid shill? Joke, or did you not read to the end? 50 cents per lie Your claim, your burden of proof. That was the last entry on the translator, yes. Documents released through the Freedom of Information Act detail the transcript of a meeting held in June of 2000 between members of the CDC, the FDA, and representatives from the vaccine industry. This top secret meeting was held to discuss a study done by Dr. Thomas Verstraeten and his co-workers using Vaccine Safety Datalink data as a project collaboration between the CDCs National Immunization Program (NIP) and four HMOs. The study examined the records of 110,000 children. The transcript is titled Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information, June 7-8, 2000, Simpsonwood Retreat Center, Norcross, Georgia, but it was also the first official meeting of the ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices which sets CDC policy) work group on thimerosal and immunization. Aluminum and mercury are often simultaneously administered to infants, both at the same site and at different sites. However, we also learned that there is absolutely no data, including animal data, about the potential for synergy, additively or antagonism, all of which can occur in binary metal mixtures that relate and allow us to draw any conclusions from the simultaneous exposure to these two salts in vaccines Dr. Weil, pg. 24: There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that weve got a serious problem. The earlier we go, the more serious the problem. The second point I could make is that in relationship to aluminum, being a nephrologist for a long time, the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isnt some possible problem here is unreal. Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40: we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders. Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 42: But for one thing that is for sure, there is certainly an under-ascertainment of all of these because some of the children are just not old enough to be diagnosed. So the crude incidence rates are probably much lower that what you would expect because the cohort is still very young. Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one. Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 45: What this represents is the overall category of developmental delays, of which I have excluded speech delays because of the impression we had was some of the calculations were driven by this speech group, which was making up about half of this category. After excluding this speech group, the trend is also apparent in this group and the test for trend is also significant for this category excluding speech. Dr. Weil, pg. 75: I think that what you are saying is in term of chronic exposure. I think that the alternative scenario is that this repeated acute exposures, and like many repeated acute exposures, if you consider a dose of 25 micrograms on one day, then you are above threshold. Dr. Guess, pg. 77: So this essentially is a 7% risk per antigen, an antigen is like in DPT youve got three antigens. Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 77: Correct. Dr. Egan, pg. 77: Could you do this calculation for aluminum? Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 77: I did it for aluminumActually the results were almost identical to ethylmercury because the amount of aluminum goes along almost exactly with the mercury one. Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: We have asked you to keep this information confidential. Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 162: Now, I dont know how much you can extrapolate that from animals to humans, but that tells me mercury at one month of age is not the same as mercury at three months, at 12 months, prenatal mercury, later mercury. There is a whole range of plausible outcomes from mercury. Dr. Johnson, pg. 193: Are you really comfortable with the way the neurologic function was tested in the Seychelles? Dr. Koller, pg. 193: I have to admit that there were many other tests that could have been conductedWe are talking about very subjective, very sensitive assays and yes, there could have been others done and there should be more done Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available. Dr. Caserta, pg. 234: One of the things I learned at the Aluminum Conference in Puerto Rico that was tied into the metal lines in biology and medicine that I never really understood before, is the interactive effect of different metals when they are together in the same organism. It is not the same as when they are alone, and I think it would be foolish for us not to include aluminum as part of our thinking with this. How is this any different than when you copy/pasted this the first hundred times? Can you explain every other country in the world? Again that upvote envy. UPVOTE FRAUD AL MATHER YOU ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON lol Its now seven, Ron. WOW 7 votes from partners in the same MEDICAL CRIME SYNDICATE. Impressive! NOT I just upvoted you, Ron to keep you from feeling so lonely and underappreciated. YOU VOTE YOURSELF IN AN ACT OF SELF LOVE anything ingested can be toxic.think about itand I have already posted the medicinal purposes of vinegar outweight the negativesbut like with anything even a fork can be used in a negative way. The point, which you missed, is that vinegar is toxic in doses that are toxic. If you drank too much, you would suffer side effects. The dose makes the poison. Nothing in vaccines is poison at those doses. EVERYTHING IN A VACCINE IS POISONOUS DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT IS INJECTED INTO TINY INFANTS AND NOT EATEN MERCURY AND ALUMINIUM PLUS 100 OTHER TOXINS ARE INJECTED BYPASSING THE SKIN AND MUCOUS MEMBRANES AND IMMUNE SYSTEM You should be taken to a safe place away from children NO. YOU ARE WRONG. THAT IS NOT HOW THE BODY WORKS. THINK OF POKES FROM CLAWS AND THORNS AND BITES. YOUR BODY IS DESIGNED TO TAKE INGREDIENTS INTO THE BLOOD AND THROUGH THE KIDNEYS AND LIVER, NO MATTER IF THEY GO IN YOUR NOSE, MOUTH, OR ARM. YOUR SKIN IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT YOU FROM INFECTION TO PREVENT POISONS FROM GETTING INTO YOUR BLOOD AND STOPPING BLOOD INFECTIONS LIKE SEPSIS. You are a medical illiterate . Excuse meI have had two people I know who were killed by vaccines for pneumonia ..the autopsy reported mercury poisoning where the brain bled out from the toxinan Unfortunate batch of vaccine. vinegar will not kill you They must have eaten a lot of fish, then, because vaccines cannot cause mercury poisoning. Even vaccines that have thimerosal do not have enough in them to have caused mercury poisoning. Also, thimerosal is not pure mercury. They must have eaten a lot of fish or had some industrial exposure. DONT INJECT FISH LOL YOU MUST BE THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TROLL Neither ate meat, chicken or fish and were not in any way working in any industry, one was a network engineer the other was in sales.have you ever been to a Drs office where they have asked you if you were allergic to fishyesfish contains mercury, that is why they put bans on eating certain fish when mercury is present.I will give you the Drs name and you can argue with them in regards to their findings.and why they put that in their cause of death okay.and then you need to go to the CDC website and understand the amounts of thimerosal and mercury that actually can cause harm. None of the vaccines have been tested when given with another vaccineno known testing has ever been done or reporting of combined vaccines. Now for all the readers when you read the reportsyou should notice that autism in California alone is up 660% and is even being reported via radio ads to find out why.Alsoit is most prevalent in males.females seem to be protected to a certain point, and maybe contributed to a hormone that males do not have. So all you people who do not believe, the point is cookie cutting vaccine mandatory is the question. People should have the right not to be forced to take vaccinesthat is the pointmandatoryits tyranny no two ways about it.who cares if you die of it as long as you believe it to be good more the majoritybelieve just as you did about the Cigarett industry denying any harm was caused by smoking..until that one report came out.do your homeworkas for meI will not take ANY vaccine. It should be a choice not a law. Some fish have mercury in them. Not all fish. And there is no ban on eating fish because they may have mercury in their fatty tissue. It is just common sense to not eat a lot of it. I am sorry but it is 100% biologically impossible to get mercury poisoning from Thimerosal. IT IS 100% BIOLOGICALLY POSSIBLE TO GET MERCURY POISONING FROM THIMEROSAL IN VACCINES ESPECIALLY IN BABIES WITH THEIR TINY SIZE , DEVELOPING NERVOUS SYSTEM AND THE FACT THAT THEY GET MULTIPLE VACCINES UP TO 50 BEFORE AGE 6. IF YOU CAN GET MERCURY POISONING FROM EATEN FISH YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET IT FROM A VACCINE STRAIGHT INTO THE BLOOD So, post the science that proves that. Make sure it doesnt have the name Geier on it. OH BOY YOU ARE A SAD ONE WHY WOULD THE JABBING BOYS LOWER OR ATTEMPT TO REMOVE THIMEROSAL FROM VACCINES EVEN ADVERTISING THAT TO THE PUBLIC IF THERE WAS NO TOXIC EFFECT . Why would they promote thimerosal free vaccines if it was good for you. WHY DID THE CDC TRY TO COVER UP THIMEROSALS LINK TO AUTISM . THERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE ! I am sorry but it is 100% biologically impossible to get mercury poisoning from Thimerosal If I may, it might be better to phrase it as .from Thimerosal in the dosage present in vaccines. DONT BE SORRY THIMEROSAL IS 50% TOXIC MERCURY IN THE FORM OF ETHYL MERCURY ABSOLUTELY DEADLY MERCURY POISONING Aside from not understanding the use of blockquote, you still dont seem to have grasped Jonathans repeated explanation on dosage. Im shocked. I UNDERSTAND THE GREAT (COMPLETELY) UNRECOGNISED MATHEMATICIAN what is unbelievable to me is that you keep repeating the word di ethy mercury when your little story was about dimethylmercury. THAT MUST BE WHY YOU HAVE THAT SURPRISED UNBELIEVABLE LOOK -lol THEY ARE ALL DEADLY TOXINS Dosage matters, there is a reason we have a liver and kidneys. Not that you care, you would rather scream. Newsflash, no one is listening. Here are your winnings, Capitaine Renault. Im going to need them. Maybe money will make me feel better since Ohio State looks like theyre going to blow it. They just won! Not before my heart stopped beating. I hadnt chewed my nails in years, Im down to nubs. Try being a Cubs fan. I do like the Cubs. They did beat my Indians this year. That game 7 was incredible. (and I said it before the series began, it was my dream world series and I could be happy for whichever team won) Try being married to a Cubs fan. But yes. Kris Bryant. If I were 40 years younger and single WHO WOULD WANT TO RISK THIS LOAD OF DISEASES NOT FOR ANY ADVANTAGE AT ALL BUT JUST BECAUSE YOUR DOC OR SOME BRIBED OFFICIAL TOLD YOU TO Misinformation typed in all caps is stillmisinformation. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/283221eb21000d203f08fca351adf3d67f08bb1fc2f60321f0f820cf114f12e7.jpg Still misinformation. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/608d31ef9189344a4a66f82ced15bfcafb6204d827143d5157dfda052b25ad46.jpg Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers dont mind and cheerfully accept it any way. Amy Tuteur https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ab0b568f671a61d20037f024f54c11cf948815dfcddd15a42f5ab6d26ad3a58.jpg 1898? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c3840c4dd866a9eea355659856c4df281f349ee99f6bf6af0e2c02c32e31ef3.jpg And that Kris Bryant, meow. My daughter-in-law said the exact same thing. Hes a handsome fella, for sure. Hes one of those guys that really grew into his looks. What is equally impressive is how good he is as a position player and batter for his height, I cant name a single other MLB player that isnt a pitcher that is over 62. No, thimerosal decays into ethylmercury, which, unlike pretty much all other organomercury compounds, is not a bioaccumulative toxin. The amount present in vaccines was certainly not enough to have had any noticeable effect, which is supported by the fact that the autism rate continues to climb 15 years after thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines. Dont get me wrong, autism is likely caused by environmental factors, including mercury, but you get more of that in your water and air from all the coal plants in the country than anything else. NO THE ETHYL MERCURY BECOMES METHYL MERCURY THAT HOW THEY WIGGLE THE FALL IN ETHYL MERCURY IT HAS BECOME METHYL MECURY. VACTRUTH :- I would also like to point out that *INGESTING* mercury is very different than *INJECTING* it straight into your muscle or blood stream. Ingesting small amounts of mercury is considered safe because it goes through a number of natural filtration systems in our body before it reaches the blood stream. By injecting mercury instead of ingesting it, you are essentially by-passing your inner filtration systems. So heres the point: when we combine the information from Myth #1 and Myth #2, even the FDA and EPA standards for INGESTION (over an entire week) of mercury are significantly lower than the amount in even the thimerosal-free vaccines which are given all at once and are outrageously lower than the 25mcg flu vaccine which, of course, is also given all at once. CONTD OK, let me first point out that you are talking to a chemist, and Im telling you that you have NO idea what you are talking about. Second, you are basically saying that you, with minimal education and willful ignorance, are better qualified to speak on a technical subject than the body of people who have been studying it their entire lives; do I need to explicitly state that this, alone, is cause to doubt your position? And finally, there is no scientific group on the other side of the vaccine debate; on any truly contentious issue, opposing scientists will argue and scream and yell until the blood is ankle deep and leaking out under the doors, but that is not happening on this question. Thats because the science is settled, and only anti-science lunatics are still fighting it. In short, you get lumped in with the anti-GMO, anti-nuclear power, climate change deniers, anti-evolutionists, and flat-Earth believers. It takes a lot more than unsourced claims that are contrary to basic chemistry to overcome that. Edit: You said: THE ETHYL MERCURY BECOMES METHYL MERCURY If you can demonstrate the process by which that happens, there will probably be a Nobel prize involved. YOU ARE A CHEMIST ?? NO ! YOU ARE A TROLL ALTHOUGH YOU COULD BE AN OUT OF WORK CHEMIST SHOP ASSISTANT You are AL MATHERS new troll identity to replace Jonathan (the doctor lol ) THE FAMOUS BODY OF PEOPLE YOU BRAG ABOUT HAVE CREATED A NATION OF MEDICAL CATASTROPHES WITH THE WORST HEALTH RECORD AND HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE OF THE DEVELOPED WORLD AND OF MUCH OF THE UNDEVELOPED WORLD . VACCINATION HAS NO RATIONALE AND IS THEREFORE NOT A SCIENCE BUT FAKE SCIENCE FOR PROFIT THERE IS NO SCIENCE TO SETTLE . YOU ARE A FAILED CHEMIST ETHYL TO METHYL AND BACK LOL :- Indeed, the science actually demonstrates the opposite of the pro-vaccine claims, as ethylmercury actually metabolizes as methylmercury within the human body, leaving the individual with the toxic form of mercury that even vaccinators admit to be dangerous. As Eileen Danneman writes in her article, Establishment Safety Debate: Thimerosal in Vaccines vs. Admittedly Dangerous Methylmercury, upon reviewing two key published studies on mercury metabolism (one in rats and one in human infants), Dr. Paul King has come to the conclusion that, As expected in the placebo group, when the test rats were killed, there were no reported levels of mercury in their blood and organs. Also as expected, the rats treated with methylmercury contained levels of methylmercury and inorganic mercury in their blood and organs. However, unexpectedly (to the reseachers at least), was the fact that the rats treated with the much-touted harmless ethylmercury, had not only ethylmercury in their blood and organs, but also methylmercury and inorganic mercury. Indeed, these rats actually had higher levels of inorganic mercury in their brains than did the rats treated with the methylmercury outright. (It should be noted that the residual levels of inorganic mercury being referred to here are those that are the final, long-term, residual forms of inorganic mercury after the metabolic process.) As Danneman writes: Based on the published findings in the three groups of rats, the metabolic pathway for organic mercury involves the conversion of Ethylmercury (Thimerosal) into methylmercury and then the further reduction of methylmercury into inorganic mercury. GO TRY ANOTHER FAKE IDENTITY WALTER MITTY You could of course get a real job , sleep well and breath fresh air Wheres that guys Nobel prize? Seriously, if you or someone else discovers a new way to extend carbon chains, there is a Nobel prize with your name on it, to say nothing of billions of dollars in royalties to use the process industrially. Tens of thousands of chemists have devoted their lives to this endeavor, and you just happen to stumble across it while researching vaccines? The bullshit meter is pegged. HE DID IT YOU FOOL lol HE DID IT YOU FOOL WHERE?! He said that it happens, which just goes to show that he is completely ignorant of chemistry: There is no known mechanism by which that would happen. If he discovers the mechanism, which is what I and every other scientist on Earth is waiting for before we even start to believe the rest of his claims, then he will win a Nobel prize. Surely that would increase his stature and give his views a stronger basis? I JUST SENT IT TO YOU YOU WILL GET THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR TROLLING ! NO, YOU SENT ME A CLAIM THAT HE HAD DONE IT! Not the actual process, which he doesnt have, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE HEARD OF IT. Stop being an idiot. YOU ARE MORE DOWN THE PUB THAN PUBMED hah hahh hoh hoh Ethylmercury: CH3-CH2-Hg-CH2-CH3 Methylmercury: CH3-Hg-CH3 If you can figure out how to convert one to the other without stripping it down to elemental mercury and starting from scratch (which the human body cannot do), you will win a Nobel prize. Until then, shut up. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b6216166481a2448e82a3a77db4a1e7685f7b633d2593b7ce319189f84b10f5.jpg OK, well, my kids and I will be vaccinated and safe; you are welcome to do with your kids as you like, just keep them out of public schools. Thimerosal is used in other medical products. Unless you break into a thimerosal manufacturing facility and chug large quantities of it, you cannot get mercury poisoning from it. Agreed, the likelihood is really quite low (at some threshold barely above zero) but the possibility exists. Im just looking at it from the perspective of Blessedlystupids claim that 2 people she knows died from mercury poisoning from pneumovax. That is 100% biologically impossible. Blessedly never gave any documentation, and neither of the pneumonia vaccines contain thimerosal, even for adults. Prevnar has never had any thimerosal in it. NONSENSE AND LIES THIMEROSAL (IN VACCINES) IS DEADLY POISONOUS SINCE IT IS AN ORGANIC COMPOUND AND IS THEREFORE MUCH MORE TOXIC THAN A SALT OR ELEMENTAL MERCURY You should be arrested for poisoning AL. Thiomersal[edit] Pediatrics (AAP) asked vaccine makers to remove the organomercury compound thiomersal (spelled thimerosal in the US) from vaccines as quickly as possible, and thiomersal has been phased out of US and European vaccines, except for some preparations of influenza vaccine Feel free to post the science backing up your claims. Remember, nothing by Geier and Geier. Yes, Id like the contact details for the doctor reporting this thanks. None of the vaccines have been tested when given with another vaccineno known testing has ever been done or reporting of combined vaccines. Oh, really? Hexavac with Hepatitis AA schedule of two doses of HA (hepatitis A) vaccine, 6 months apart beginning at 6 months of age is highly immunogenic and well tolerated when administered alone or concomitantly with HV vaccine or HEXAVAC (diphtheria, tetanus, 2-component acellular pertussis, inactivated poliomyelitis vaccine, Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugated to tetanus protein and hepatitis B) at 6 and 12 months of age. h/t to the Skeptical Raptor. Your USA source? My USA source is at the bottom of my post. Comprehension. skeptical raptor is your source? OMG just as I thought a bloger page No New England Medical Journal, etcsomething that is proven sourcestoo funnyall that you posted for a blogger on a skeptical raptor pagewow The Skeptical Raptor gives the links on his blog, which are not allowed here. You just cant be bothered to investigate anything outside of your echo chamber, can you? I am looking at the site nowand it wont even come up been waiting for 10 minutesjust a scroll barwhy dont you give better sourcesNew England Medical Journal, John Hopkins, well known for their researchnow if you have an open mindgo to CDC and look up reports connecting autism to vaccinethey even have the report showing their is a connection and have set up a committee and a claims department for parents to collect on the injury due to vaccine induced autismmy sister who is a Dr. is disease medicine is on that committee. Everything in quotation marks will get you to the source. There is nothing on the CDC website connecting autism to vaccines. The CDC website discusses the fears parents have about an autism/vaccine connection but no CDC-sponsored report makes that claim. The CDC does not adjudicate claims for vaccine injuries, the NVICP does. The Special Omnibus hearings shot down the vaccine-induced autism claim. And you, my dear, are a bald-faced liar. Who runs the NVICP? The Omnibus hearing was a sham. SR is a shill site that posts lies It takes 15 minutes before the site propagates its contents.. and is just a linking site to what the blogger picks out based on the bloggers agendano real medical links to posted actual medical reports, filed with any valid research company or medical facility. Done answering these bozos no wonder people die so easy. there is no known studies of combined vaccines and their compatibility when given in one shot Since all vaccines are not given as one shot, why would there be? Well, big whoop! Thats not how we give them. Heres something that just came across my email today: Question of the Week No. Tdap is an inactivated vaccine and may be administered at the same time as Rhogam (in a separate site with a separate syringe). Source: Immunize dot org IAC Express Go see the last post to shay simmonsyou guys are too funny. I am laughing at the sheer ignorance and the sheer lack of valid research Reading comprehension issues much? That is how they are done in Californiathe only state with mandatory vaccinesand autism up 660% in California Oh, baloney! Please supply some proof of this. They may give a lot in one day; thats how the schedule is right now, but not in one syringe. You have your misinformation mixed up. Whoops now you have FALSEANGEL on your case. The loon-o-meter just went to the red zone. California does not have mandatory vaccines. Nor is autism up 660% since the school vaccination law was passed. Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers dont mind and cheerfully accept it any way. Amy Tuteur You are stupid all one has to do is google it but because you are too lazy here it is for you California SB 277 Mandated Vaccination EVERY CHILD every vaccine Governor Brown signed SB 277 the most stringent vaccine mandate in the United States on June 30, 2015. This new law will go into effect on July 1, 2016. Dupe. Fool. Useful idiot. Are you parroting lies youve been spoonfed or did you come up with this mess of tarradiddles all by yourself? SB 277 makes either vaccines or a medical exemption a requirement for children to attend school. If you choose to homeschool, your little disease vector can scamper around unvaccinated all you like. It is a CHOICE. May I point out that CA is one of three states where parents can make this CHOICE. Like all choices, it comes with consequences. IF VACCINATION WORKS WHY WOULD THE VACCINATED BE AFRAID OF THE UNVACCINATED ??????? SO WHY CANT THE UNVACCINATED ATTEND NORMAL DAY SCHOOL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e3b93ebe658a01ec5fead8b75061475752f561a083b7a5e7e5c1e7b981143c5.jpg California passes mandatory vaccine law, making it a criminal offence to refuse a vaccination Oh dear, another fibble from BlessedlyStupid. California has just become the first state in America where mandatory vaccinations for adults have become law. Well, not exactly. It is still a mandatory bill, to which you posted saying there were no such thing.and then you left off the rest of itcriminal charges can ensueyou are misleading people and are projecting falsehoodspeople in California know the law better than you, you didnt even know there were two mandatory vaccine laws and even stated that was a false statement made by meand I set you straight It is still a mandatory bill, to which you posted saying there were no such thing Actually, I said no such thing. and then you left off the rest of itcriminal charges can ensue No, dear, I posted the applicable text as well as a link TO THE BILL that shows you lied. you are misleading people and are projecting falsehoods project much? people in California know the law better than you Well, if you live in CA, Id say that youve just made another false statement. you didnt even know there were two mandatory vaccine laws and even stated that was a false statement made by me. Once more, I made no such claim. Now, might I suggest you learn how to properly use. an ellipsis? Really I am reading your post right now and you accuse me of lyingthere was no such lawfalse statement, more progadanda, you and shay simmons both said the same thing, now both of you are blocked both shrills Please cite where I said there was no such law, Ill wait. Does God tell you it is ok to lie? t is still a mandatory bill Mandatory =/= something I dont want to do. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a2eccd6e8c7a393d0c8d45caf1611aab386c630b730ad9788f288cd773f8682.jpg VACCINE MERCURY CAUSES AUTISM Vaccines in CA are administered in accordance with the same schedule as everywhere else in the country. How many more Commandments are you going to break today? SHAYS B.S. WHEN HE IS DEFEATED which is all of the time LOL VACCINES IN CA ARE NOT ADMINISTERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SAME Then provide us with a link to the California pediatric vaccine schedule so that we may compare it with the CDCs recommendations. That is how they are done in Californiathe only state with mandatory vaccines Aside from not being mandatory (that is to say, no exceptions), there are requirements for school entry without a medical exemption. They happen to match, EXACTLY, the requirements for MS and WV. Oops. Who the fart is Immunize dot org IAC Express? Go to CDC and its right on their website stating no test have been done to see the results of combined. A number of studies have been done to look at the effects of giving various combinations of vaccines, and when every new vaccine is licensed, it has been tested along with the vaccines already recommended for a particular aged child. The recommended vaccines have been shown to be as effective in combination as they are individually. THATS RIGHT BOTH METHODS HAVE ZERO EFFECTIVENESS I can guarantee that both are more effective than your debating. Yes HAIL TO the skepticalrectum for existing for no other reason but to lie about science. Your whole story sounds rather, er, fishy! Do you have some documentation of these autopsy reports? Only libbys believe other people dont tell the truth.let me seeare you asking me to go against HIPPA laws and post these autopsy reports? or are you asking me to ask the families to post their family members ( now deceased) autopsy reports to a blog, total strangers?? Boy you didnt really think that one out very well. You didnt think it out well, Blessed. Theres no thimerosal in either pneumonia vaccine. My sister who is a PhD in disease research and who is also on the committee for the CDC to award parents claims on vaccine injury. knows the FDA is lying to the public. Now if you are really into finding the truth go to vaxtruth dot org and there are links to the very document on the labeling from the FDA on vaccines.why would they have set up a panel and committee reviewing these vaccine injurys because they know the aluminum and mercury is a direct cause to autismthey awared tons of money to these poor families with autistic children with direct cause from vaccinesthis is just a sample of what you will read. Contrary to the assertions of Oz, Hyman, and Kennedy, thimerosal has not been removed from childhood vaccinations; its still there. The FDA changed the rules so vaccine manufacturers do not have to include thimerosal on the label as an ingredient unless it is used as a preservative. According to the FDA, if thimerosal is used in the manufacturing process but it is not used as a preservative, the vaccine can be labeled thimerosal-free when that is not the case. You can read more about this semantic trickery and what it really means for your child here. The point is, several vaccines given to infants and children still contain thimerosal, including the DTaP vaccine, DT vaccine, Hib (ACTHib, TriHIBit) and Meningococcal vaccine. Click this link and scroll down in the vaccine excipients list until you get to thimerosal. (On your way to thimerosal, you might want to also notice all the other toxic ingredients and the vaccines that contain them.) 2. In addition to the problems with the FDA rule change, which allows vaccine-manufacturers to lie about the fact that their vaccines still contain thimerosal, Dr. Oz and his guests missed the fact that the meningococcal vaccine given to children age two years and older contains the same amount of thimerosal (50 mcg.) as the multi-dose flu shots they are so concerned about. Click this link and go to section 11, on page 17 of the Menomune manufacturers insert..and then there are many links to substantiate these but unless you dont have an open mind and want to do the research. then we have nothing further to discuss. Get help! thats what I thought brain dead.I dont need help you do, you have a closed mindand dont want the truth. Thats okay live in your libby bubble. thats what libby;s do best at. Please provide some documentation of this new FDA rule. go to vax Truth dot org forward slash 2014 forward slash 09 forward slash dr-oz-flu-shots go to item 4 and see click here there will be a FDA pdf with all the vaccines and what they have in themI had to do that link that way as they will not let us post links No, from the FDA itself. Vax Truth is not a reputable source. AND THE FDA IS REPUTABLE LOL HAHAHHAHHHAHHHHEHHEHHHH the site gives FDA links.you saying that site didnt give good links to FDA? you cannot be helped. Stop posting to me. You cannot tell me who to post to. I will not click on vax truth and give them the advertising revenue. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03ead76900f1c9d792d52e6321d87a1f3f13bbb5bf3005929d96652787f35f1a.jpg For kicks, I went there. #4s link goes to a paper written by Ayoub. No, Blessedtoserve. When someone asks you to tell you about something someone introducedyou give them the original source. You dont tell them Go see what so-and-so said they said. What about every other country in the world? We are talking about USdont deflect the discussion if you want to talk other countries different discussion. No, *you* made it relevant when you brought up the nefarious wrongdoings of the FDA/CDC you dont get to bow out now. There is no committee at the CDC to aware parents claims on vaccine injury. Vaccine injury claims go through the United States Court of Federal Claims and claims are heard by one special master and opinions rendered by that one special master, who then configures compensation claims. There are no panels or committees. http://www dot uscfc dot uscourts dot gov/vaccine-program-readmore Trace amounts of thimerosal are harmless, just as thimerosal was harmless when used in vaccines. http://www dot fda dot gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1 Your sister is not telling you the truth. Also, #vaxtruthlies THIMEROSAL IS DEADLY TOXIC IN MINUTE DOSES LIKE ALL MERCURY COMPOUNDS THATS WHY IT HAS BEEN REMOVED BY MANY COUNTRIES Wikipedia :- Why do the pharma gang pay you to write such blatant lies YELLING IN ALL CAPS IN COMMENTS DOESNT MAKE YOUR POINTS ANY LESS MYTH. Got science? Nope, didnt think so. Menomume is for ages 12 and up and contains 25 micrograms per dose. http://www dot fda dot gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1 You seem to be very wrong in your assertions. My sister who is a PhD in disease research and who is also on the committee for the CDC to award parents claims on vaccine injury. There is no CDC committee that awards parents claims for vaccine injury. Thats handled by the NVICP. You and the truth are not in the same grid square, B. I doubt the whole sister is a PhD story. I believe that part. Thats about it though. I doubt every single thing B has posted, mself. Its interesting that you need to make up lies when you dont have facts. Well its is the tactic of the left, if they cant have a discussion attack the person, demean, and call them names or call them liarsguess whatyou words have not weight with meyoure just a anonymous person at a key boardnot willing to learn but to arguego aheadyou dont have any credentials to disprove anythingfacts are on the FDA, however you do have to have some kind of education to comprehend the context of their studies. Sad, people just want to argue. Left or right has nothing to do with it. You made up a lie about your sister being on a committee that doesnt exist. You demeaned yourself by trying to pass off falsehoods as fact. Taken directly from CDC IOM constituted an expert committee to review all available information on these vaccine adverse events; such information included epidemiologic studies, case series, individual case reports, and testimonials. To derive their conclusions, the IOM committee members created five categories of causality to describe the relationships between the vaccines and specific adverse events. The first IOM review examined certain events occurring after administration of pertussis and rubella vaccines (Table_2) (4). The second IOM review examined events occurring after administration of all other vaccines usually administered during childhood (i.e., diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and measles, mumps, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenzae type b {Hib}, and poliovirus vaccines) (Table_3) (5). Two other IOM committees have met since the findings of the second review were published. These two committees have published their findings concerning both the diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine (DTP) and chronic nervous system dysfunction (Figure_1) (6) and research strategies for vaccine-associated adverse events (7). The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recently reviewed the findings of the IOM committees and modified the previously published ACIP recommendations to ensure consistency with IOM conclusions. These recommendations, which are included in this report, update all previously published ACIP recommendations pertaining to the precautions, contraindications, side effects, and adverse reactions ** associated with specific vaccines. ACIP accepted the IOM conclusions for almost all vaccine adverse events; the few exceptions generally occurred because new information that was available to ACIP had not been available when the IOM committees published their recommendations. These exceptions included a) oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) and Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS), b) tetanus-toxoid- containing vaccines and GBS, and c) DTP and chronic nervous system dysfunction. In addition, this report incorporates information contained in the Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices: Use of Vaccines and Immune Globulins in Persons with Altered Immunocompetence (MMWR 1993; 42{No. RR-4}) and the General Recommendations on Immunization: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) (MMWR 1994;43{No. RR-1}). To facilitate recognition of the new recommendations in this report, all major changes that are being made to the previously published ACIP statements are highlighted within the text. These changes include information on the following vaccines and the possible adverse events associated with their administration: Hepatitis B vaccine and anaphylaxis; Measles vaccine and a) thrombocytopenia and b) possible risk for death resulting from anaphylaxis or disseminated disease in immunocompromised persons; DTP and chronic encephalopathy; and Tetanus-toxoid-containing vaccines and a) GBS, b) brachial neuritis, and c) possible risk for death resulting from anaphylaxis. Again attacking me for religion is in the same catagory as left for right..has noting to do with it. This posted above is a factYou are just not informed. Too funny the uninformed telling the informed they are passing off falsehoods.do your homeworkbefore making such a bad statement. 1. You just pasted a description of a committee that does not answer to the CDC and is not in charge of deciding whether claims are paid or not, nor even for assigning table injuries. If you have a sister, Im confident she is on neither the IOM committee nor the ACIP. 2. I did not attack you for religion, I called you out for telling lies. Surely telling a lie a sin in your religion? ITS YOUR LIVING TELLING LIES EVERY ONE YOU TELL YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR Good and Bad Fruit Will it help if my words are all in uppercase? Again lefty accusationswhen the discussion provides detail information that is fact.attack the messenger. what cantt argue what I posted.of course not. It is fact There is no sin in pointing to facts. There is sin in not knowing the truth and turning away from it its called false witnesscalling the person who presents the facts a liar is false witness. You claimed your sister sat on a committee which doesnt even exist. National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Data Report November 1, 2016 (PDF 216 KB) http www dot hrsa dot gov forward slash vaccinecompensation forward slash data forward slash ndex dot html Here is the committee that you say doesnt exist, and you can get all your info there.. Updated monthly, and includes the number of: petitions filed, This is a factnow who is bearing false witnessyes I think you are prejudging. 1. Not a committee I think BlessedlyStupid is claiming her sister serves on the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines (ACCV). (the panel is up for new members) STILL THE SAME OLD TROLLING BS FROM AL MATHER Or, she made the whole thing up! It doesnt hang together right. knows the FDA is lying to the public. Refers us to vaxtruth! I KNOW YOU ARE TRYING TO PICK UP TROLL CASH BE DEBATING WITH YOURSELVES NO ONE ELSE IS BOTHERED. YOU SHOULD BE SACKED BY YOUR PHARMA BOSSES https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39fcefb1bcf44f31f2e54ed8aafe241a3f3be32b4fe7cf6b100644a6e7e3c0d1.png Considering shes shown herself not to be above lying, Id say it is pretty likely. FLU VACCINE WHICH HAS LIVE FLU VIRUS YOU WILL GET THE FLU FROM IT AND PLENTEOUS MERCURY AND ALUMINIUM AND LOTS MORE TOXINS FROM SANTA flulaval is a killed vaccine YOU CANT KILL A VIRUS IT IS DEAD ALREADY UNTIL IT REACHES YOUR CELLS THEN BAM EVEN BITS OF VIRUS CAN REGENERATE INTO AWFUL DISEASES AS IN SV 40 MONKEY VIRUS WHICH WAS IN POLIO VACCINE . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c32d8e8642b6dcd182dcf4a168ad7e1ba6716be108b957f1d489ab9056cb1aa.jpg YOU CANT KILL A VIRUS Of course you can. IT IS DEAD ALREADY No, it is unable to replicate without a host. EVEN BITS OF VIRUS CAN REGENERATE INTO AWFUL DISEASES citation needed. (because, no) As for your ridiculous meme, lets forget for a moment the massive DROP in infant mortality since 1900. THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID AN ATTENUATED VIRUS IS NOT DEAD BUT READY TO ASSAULT THE HOST WHICH IS YOU AND YOUR CELLS SO VIRUS IS DEAD ALREADY UNTIL IT REACHES YOUR DNA https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a10178da8eae6bdc866a7629c297c8dc7b26fa44eb0135e5d7e00b2645ff5e3a.jpg Big difference between attenuated virus and killed (inactivated) virus. Flulaval does not contain attenuated virus, it is killed unable to replicate. Since viruses are not alive to begin with how can you kill it. The germ theory is a LIE. *sigh* What does science call them dead or living? It doesnt matter what I call them. Science doesnt call them either. How are they rendered incapable of replicating? And how do they replicate? A live virus cant eat, move, defecate and can only be cultured on living tissue. They pull the arms and legs off of a billion virus lol The mechanism for inactivation varies depending on the virus. Replicate using a host cell. A live virus I thought you said viruses were dead? VIRUSES ARE DEAD THEY NEED A CELL SO THEY CANT REALLY BE INACTIVATED COMPLETELY . A VIRUS EVEN IF DEGRADED CAN GET UP TO THOUSANDS OF THINGS WE DONT EVEN KNOW ABOUT LOOK AT THE SV40 VIRUS POLIO CONTAMINANT LIKE A COMPUTER VIRUS IS DEAD UNTIL IT GETS INTO YOUR PROGRAMS IT ONLY NEEDS BITS OF THE VIRUS TO DESTROY YOUR SOFTWARE FROM GOOGLE LOL VIRUSES ARE DEAD THEY NEED A CELL SO THEY CANT REALLY BE INACTIVATED COMPLETELY Sure they can. Inactivated viruses are viruses that cant infect. LIKE A COMPUTER VIRUS IS DEAD UNTIL IT GETS INTO YOUR PROGRAMS I know a thing or two about computer viruses. Firstly the term is used broadly ages ago we would have specific classifications for various kinds of malware. Now the term virus is used broadly. Technically a computer virus doesnt need a program in the same way a virus needs a cell. All it needs is the program counter to point to its executable part. There are many ways to do this. VIRUSES ARE DEAD THEY NEED A LIVING CELL SO THE INJECTED VIRUS WILL FIND A CELL EASILY AND START TO WORK ON YOUR HEALTH. YOU MESSED UP STOP DIGGING lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/30df28391691afac3f6df52e3a24fc764151e1f504cad2df053bec07a8cd7aa1.jpg VIRUSES ARE DEAD THEY NEED A LIVING CELL When did I say otherwise? Youre the one that messed up. They are dead and the reason they can only replicate on living tissue is that truth be known its only the living tissue breaking down that gives the appearance of viruses replicating. What seems to be the replication of a virus is nothing more than cellular debris from that living tissue. The original meaning of the word virus was a poison which in essence is true. If those virus particles ( cellular debris ) were allowed to remain in the body toxemia would be the end result. They are dead But you complained when Michael used the word killed and said Since viruses are not alive to begin with how can you kill it. Yet just above you used the phrase. A live virus So viruses cant be killed but can be alive? OR does the word killed have more than one sense and you werent quite bright enough to figure it out. What seems to be the replication of a virus is nothing more than cellular debris from that living tissue. If you are claiming that viruses dont replicate that is we dont end up with very close copies of the same virus then youre more ignorant than I thought. that is we dont end up with very close copies of the same virus then youre more ignorant than I thought. Very CLOSE copies? More proof that cellular debris is all very similar. Very CLOSE copies? More proof that cellular debris is all very similar. You can break up a cell as much as you want but wont get something that consistently shows up as a norovirus in a PCR test. Yet in someone infected with a particular virus you can do PCR test and determine thats what they have. Unless the virus was replicating it would be exceptionally unlikely for you to do this. So even this evidence alone strongly tells us youre wrong. MORE CONFUSING WAFFLE FROM HIS TROLL BOOKLETS DOES NOT MEAN A THING VACCINES KILL AND DISABLE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0cc24cd4ae28c5d18a4f81f722befe844e1a59bc383361d8658af35857ba84f2.jpg MORE CONFUSING Im sorry that you find my statements confusing. Its good to know your limitations I guess. Its interesting that you think my statements are from a playbook when you are the one posting canned responses. Irony! ARE YOUR VIRUSES DEAD , ATTENUATED OR LIVE lol lol Sorry you need to phrase your response in the form of a question. All PCR test prove is that various toxin conditions produce different cellular debris. If your theory was true then cells would frequently be mistaken for viruses in PCR tests OR viruses would be just as frequently misidentified. Neither of these things happen. So your belief is very likely wrongor as the kids are saying: Ron Roy posted something Very likely wrong NO YOURE very likely wrong. Or as kids are saying Johnny is really trying to push health destroying, immune compromising vaccines on us. Its amazing heh kids as to how low a person will go to make a buck? Very likely wrong NO YOURE very likely wrong. Ron look you get consistent results from PCR if you were correct you would get RANDOM results. Bayes theorem is clear here. This evidence speaks strongly against your belief. Sorry. AH ! BAYES THEOREM JONATHAN pretends he has a PHD even though trolling is his only job. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b01046b692993d6edf629990b3c2c68208ad3041d0c79bd6f0634458624b1121.jpg AH ! BAYES THEOREM JONATHAN pretends he has a PHD even though trolling is his only job. At no point have I ever claimed to have a PhD. I understand Bayes Theorem because its part of my education and I often need to do risk analysis so I use it in making decision trees. In this case we know if a theory has an expectation then the likelihood of said theory must be reduced if that expectation is not met. If you want to understand more I highly recommend the large but not all that impenetrable book Introduction to Statistical Decision Theory by Raffia and Pratt. BAYES THEOREM WONT STOP A SINGLE CASE OF VACCINE DAMAGE You are just posing as a qualified professional when you are actually a low level troll. I am professionally qualified and teach decisions trees and finance maths , probability theory and risk analysis you are trying to pretend that what you know about Bayes theorem will make every parent rush to vaccinate their kids . My mind still works since I missed about 50 vaccinations and I am 100% in working order I never followed the snake oil salesmens BS All trolls can make up a fake profile I would not waste a second looking at yours https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7862fd96f4f592e2134714db0e17ffaed0ee66120843f61468fd19103cb6b59b.jpg BAYES THEOREM WONT STOP A SINGLE CASE OF VACCINE DAMAGE Neither does typing in all caps but that doesnt stop you. What Bayes Theorem does tell us in this case is that Ron is likely wrong here. I am professionally qualified and teach decisions trees but not to spell them and finance maths , probability theory and risk analysis Did you read Raffia and Pratts book? All trolls can make up a fake profile Im not a troll so that wouldnt apply to me. Again if you think Im lying about what I do feel free to quiz me. Al MATHER Thats not me. Sorry. Your debating skills are down to the odd spelling error and the CAPS you must be Al Mather he was the same bereft of argument. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cf41869d7fb14d25fcb82823b39f64f1283f9e76a91de40b46b2b4240b5ff167.jpg No you would get the same results. PCR sequencing simply artificially replicates ( copies ) the same thing over and over again. Nope. If all you are seeing is random cell parts you a) Arent always going to grab the same part b) Arent always going to be able to match a specific sequence c) Even if its possible you arent going to get the same part each time you try. So when you PCR cell debris the result is going to randomly vary across the range of possible sequences from the cell. You wont get a consistent response and you wont get a specific response like we see when we PCR test for a virus. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e90f6fdb9b725c4a5a49fd637f2bbad65e8f64e42fbfec505bb18a0a90ff1250.jpg WHAT HAS PCR GOT TO DO WITH THIS It has to do with the fact that Ron is wrong about something. I see your cold heart isnt affected by this tragedy. I think its sad for any child to suffer needlessly however ignoring NWOs attempt to derail the discussion doesnt say anything about my compassion. Rather it shows that NWO has no compassion. Suffering people arent tools to be used for you to manipulate others. NWO appears to have no problem treating people in this dehumanized way. Funny you never objected when pictures of suffering people in iron lungs were posted to supposedly prove YOUR point. Well I have never made an argument which required pictures of iron lungs. One of your trolling brothers or sisters did. If you want my opinion on if an image was warranted or used irrelevantly then youre going to have to provide a link. Do your own research or or maybe the guilty party will volunteer the info. Running away from your point again? Running away from a debate again. Ron, you were making some claim about my opinion on something someone else posted and when asked to produce it. You ran away. Do I have to make YOUR arguments for you too? Its still an artificial replication not like a culture. It doesnt matter. If your theory was correct that there is no virus hijacking cells to create copies of itself. Only the cell falling apart and the debris being misinterpreted as viruses. Youd never be able to do what is dont routinely that is identify a virus by PCR. So your hypothesis is incorrect. One day you will learn that research isnt just finding something that agrees with you. All the PCR does is make copies of the same cellular debris. If that were true that when we think were looking at a virus. Were looking at cellular debris. Then we couldnt consistently identify a virus since it would just be random cell parts. So again, you are wrong. WHY NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS :- FIDDLING THE POLIO FIGURES :- Prior to 1954, the following undoubtedly hid behind the name poliomyelitis: Transverse Myelitis, viral or aseptic meningitis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS)- (what Franklin Delano Roosevelt had)[4], Chinese Paralytic syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, spinal meningitis, spinal apoplexy, inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, famine fever, worm fever, bilious remittent fever, ergotism, post-polio syndrome, acute flaccid paralysis(AFP). Included under the umbrella term Acute Flaccid Paralysis are Poliomyelitis, Transverse Myelitis, Guillain-Barr syndrome, enteroviral encephalopathy, traumatic neuritis, Reyes syndrome etc. Before you believe that polio has been eradicated, have a look at this graph of AFP and Polio. WHY NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS :-Would you rather be vaccinated with an attenuated virus Or just a virus lol If this is your question youve done a poor job at communicating it. If you mean would I rather have a vaccine or an inoculation where a small portion of diseased matter is used. Generally speaking a vaccine would be safer. SMALL ??? where does small come into it a tiny pinprick of diseased matter can kill even a few virus or a few bacteria small ??? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f1bff576f153f86d20e00ac4b9e28527ef170907081b7e60a7d7ffa5f20dd849.jpg SMALL ??? where does small come into it Thats how inoculation/variolation is defined. PRETENDING TO KNOW SOMETHING are we Jonathan stop reading these troll booklets . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ccf248538cf60ea4c394b2f3b89098c803028d356d5763e8e07902f064833a5.jpg PCR results are consistent, you dont need a degree to see that. WHO CARES ABOUT PCR RESULTS WHEN YOUR CHILD CANT CONTROL BOWEL MOVEMENTS OR DIES DUE TO VACCINATION https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00fcfed31a8428b33efa39ed5906ab9ff8d1472875275d0ec697fead4539bd94.jpg Considering that Rons nonsense theory is refuted by the consistency of PCR. I think many people would care that they dont have to learn about somatids and other fairy stories. THE consistency of PCR ????? Whats that got to do with Autism and vaccine damage you certainly know how to spin out your garbage comments in order to maximise your troll cash BUT your bosses will want to see your work . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/596878e271883b9f76916ef5b5f60e81e125a4236b96cd867c29dd9bed678867.jpg ITS THE MEDICAL MAFIA THAT SAY ITS A DEAD VIRUS OR ITS A KILLED VIRUS OR ITS AN ATTENUATED VIRUS SO GO AND SPEAK TO YOUR BOSSES ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING SINCE THE VIRUS ACTIVATES IN THE BODY Viruses are a code waiting to infect your cells with things known and unknown like the SV40 cancer virus that was in the polio jab which causes millions of cases of cancer https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/672948da5ae7806143efec153fb3f721b76becb16b9fe452327d16c9ae114d73.jpg TS THE MEDICAL MAFIA THAT SAY ITS A DEAD VIRUS OR ITS A KILLED VIRUS and Ron Roy called it a live virus. The idea that you are unable to see that the word dead is completely appropriate here is weird. Medical people FYI use the term inactivated. OR ITS AN ATTENUATED VIRUS Which is something different than what is called a killed or inactivated virus. SO GO AND SPEAK TO YOUR BOSSES ABOUT IT My boss has never used those terms because he isnt in medicine. Hes in IT like me. BECAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING Any term someone uses with intent to convey meaning means something. The question is simply about intelligibility. THEN TELL US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ATTENUATED VIRUS AND A KILLED VIRUS lol enjoy Attenuated means you have reduced but not eliminated the virulence of the virus. Inactivated means that you have eliminated it. I suppose you could use the terms as statements of degree if you wanted to. HERE ARE SOME MORE QUESTIONS A virus is incredibly complex how do you know if these weakening procedures actually work in the body as opposed to in vitrio there would be billions of these little fellows to scrutinise under an electron microscope who has this time to do this How long will the attenuation last eg 5 minutes after being injected , 10 minutes or a day or two after injection etc Inactivation how would you know if the already dead virus is more deader Neither you nor your bosses have a clue what you are doing to little infants you are a total conman for a few $ more How would we know that every virus particle has been weakened You dont need to know the status of every virus. You simply need to measure virulence after exposure to the attenuation agent. There are lots of ways of doing this. how do you know if these weakening procedures actually work in the body as opposed to in vitrio If the virus was fully virulent in the body then the result would be the disease. Since this is almost never observed the virus is by definition weakened. BUT YOU DO need to know the status of EVERY virus since you only need a few Measure virulence how would you do this jonathan see if any are moving their arms and legs lol hah hah hehe Getting the disease you are being vaccinated against IS THE NORM. You are sticking the disease into the bloodstream the virus or bacteria wakes up smells the cells and invades them . Thats why 100s of thousands were killed by the smallpox virus and 50 million were killed by the yellow fever and smallpox virus so they called it flu. You are about as convincing as a Martian trying to sell you a plot of land on his planet. How are they rendered incapable of replicating? Inactivated vaccines are further classified depending on the method used to inactivate the virus.[2] Whole virus vaccines use the entire virus particle, fully destroyed using heat, chemicals,or radiation.[3] Split virus vaccines are produced by using a detergent to disrupt the virus.[2] Subunit vaccines are produced by purifying out the antigens that best stimulate the immune system to mount a response to the virus, while removing other components necessary for the virus to replicate or survive or that can cause adverse reactions.[2][3] And how do they replicate? A live virus cant eat, move, defecate and can only be cultured on living tissue. Seems like you answered your own question, genius. PURE FANTASY -ITS LIKE PUTTING A COMPUTER VIRUS INTO YOUR PC AND HOPING EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT LOL VIRUS FULLY DESTROYED ? MY AZZ HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THEY ARE ALL DESTROYED THERE ARE BILLIONS OF BITS AND PIECES WHICH CAN SPRING TO LIFE INSIDE A CELL DETERGENTS DISRUPT THE VIRUS ????? FOR HOW LONG WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE DETERGENT IS GONE DO YOU THINK THE VIRUS IS UPSET ENOUGH NOT TO DO ITS PROGRAMMED JOB BY BEING CLEAN LOL PURIFYING OUT THE ANTIGENS ? LEAVING BITS AND PIECES OF THE VIRUS IN THE SYRINGE HOH HOH HOH DO YOU THINK THAT BOTHERS THE VIRUS THERE ARE BILLIONS OF BITS AND PIECES WHICH CAN SPRING TO LIFE INSIDE A CELL I asked you for some evidence of this already. I note you havent been able to provide it. McCarthy Here is your evidence :- Source: [from Fenner F., Henderson DA, et al. Smallpox and its Eradication. WHO. 1988] https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/30794acdc521e0d04154552a76033d415103de0bbc4b5cb52e42e07333ec6091.jpg How is that evidence of Rons claim? No I gave the standard bs people like you would like us to believe. What people see as viruses is nothing more than cellular debris. What is seen when they try and culture a virus on living tissue is not the replication of that virus but simply that living tissues breaking down ( creating more virus particles ) that gives the appearance of a virus replicating. What people see as viruses is nothing more than cellular debris. Poor Ron. Science has disproven that through the use of things like electron microscopy and RNA sequencing. Mickey, Mickey, Mickey RNA sequencing ( PCR tests ) prove is that various toxin conditions produce different cellular debris. Sequencing is not cultivating its simply copying the same cellular debris over and over again. Poor Ron, whos never run a PCR in his life makes that assessment. I believe Jonathan already covered that with you, though. Poor Mickey has to rely on Johnny and Johnnys wrong. No, I dont have to rely on Jonathan and no, youre wrong (as usual). YOU are Jonathan and Al Mather and if you were capable of running anything, even a hamburger stand you would not be bottom feeding as a troll https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6517e41d6b2594ac2ec312ebc10024f43a64ec73e22b6e4797d1c7f5597ec20f.jpg Thats eczema. A particularly bad case. Maybe the case I had that covered both forearms in my late 20s was caused by the tetanus vaccine I had gotten 5 years earlier. Or maybe it is unrelated to vaccination. I guess we could consult with the American Academy of Dermatology. Well, they say vaccines dont cause it. McCarthy you would not know what Ron is talking about you are just posing and pretending as you have done since you had to take the job of working for Al Mather Eczema Vaccinatum Lesions (Smallpox) On A Smallpox Vaccinated Person Photo From American Academy Of Pediatrics https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/25e1a18f39475f555c8a7ada2994fdb9c54488ae2c886547d77a872f5f0e7e00.jpg Oh brother. I would know what Ron is talking about since I majored in microbiology and have run PCR. The word we tend to use is inactivate however killed is just as descriptive. For example people will say: That last road trip nearly killed my cars engine. Few would response with: But your cars not alive people understand that viruses are inactivated. This primarily linguistic fact has little if anything to do with germ theory. I think it wouldve been cute to suggest a specific non-existent committee and ask if thats what she meant. Well, so far, she has said her sister is a member of IOM, HRSA and USCFC. Dont forget the claim the she is a PhD in infectious disease. Argument from authority, anyone? And there are no members of the advisory committee on childhood vaccines who have a PhD in infectious diseases. Hm. Prove there arentthere are and I dont have to prove anything to you, even when evidence is providedall you, do like a good little liberal trolll is call someone a liaryou do not present any evidence in any of your posts or arguments.and make false statements without backing it up. Then you go to the next poster and do the sameYo have no education and as a matter of fact or posting only your own opinionhowever uneducated it is based on. You have little to learn or the desire toYoure sole reason on this post is to demean and be argumentative. When proven there is a committee you move on to deflect that now there is no Phds on the committees.and then when so one proves you wrongyou move on to the next little triad of arguments. Your thought process is much like a schitzojumping from one thought to anothernever really proving or disproving anythingjust making statements.So tell me how do you know there are no Phds on that committee (the committee that you denied existed).and your right my sister is not a member of IOM, HRSA and USCFC nor did I ever posted that she wasshow me where I named those that said she was.didnt think so, she is a member of The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) so now you can go and disprove that Prove there arent. Okay. she is a member of The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) There are no PhDs in infectious diseases on that committee either. THE TOXINS IN VACCINES such cute infographics. They use the same nonsense to scare people away from GMOs. Pathetic, really. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b2dffdee44e06b5bf76710c0701a5969ce7868830a4ba32d1e880c95d31796be.jpg Lorraine Day? Really? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/388da39f8cf769b38efd0d656537c235be9634c66320b94ee4e30865a0424bae.jpg Your references arent getting any more legit. His references ARE legit youre paid to denigrate them. But luckily the tide is turning and people are waking up to the fact that the drug industry is an extremely corrupt industry. Aw Ron, are you tired of getting slapped down by Jonathan? I believe you have that backwards. Is today opposite day and no one told me? You level of comprehension is lacking. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ac7f7d3a77a0ebc4e44012886b41632f83732279156fc2917567804cd8870cb1.gif Are there any legit anti-vaxxer references? Sure, Rene Anand, just ask him! Har dee har HAR har har. RDR^2? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cafe69b44582dca1e1cf95d2d74a65776d3bb08522590d90d0cbed8362f25ea8.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e474d4e4d9ac09c79489d8646b2cbbd27058b954c86b60bd82070c967d27c3c9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fcc240aeb7ae0a4b7bb66212bc7a3206bcb1310f2fe1fd21f9082a45b8fd3701.jpg Why is it that your lot never cites the entire ruling, which is pretty scathing towards ol money-grubbing Andy Wakefraud and does not exonerate him at all? OhI know. Its because Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers dont mind and cheerfully accept it any way. Amy Tuteur. Hes talking about Wakefields paper there, you do realise? heh. HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL YOU CHUMP This guy is even thicker than I thought. NO $ FOR THAT POST AL oops Mike lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/35e8bcd925dd6a7d02d84e37b6ee2a0f34d58d6952eae428aa56515d813e26b4.jpg The MEDICAL MAFIA has the nasty habit of denigrating anyone who upsets the status quo but you know this because your a paid soldier of that infamous organization. Do you have the number for HR for the medical mafia? My checks seem to be missing. Checks? Earth to Mickey this is the twenty first century. Does direct deposit ring a bell? Poor derpy Ron, direct deposit of pay still qualifies as a paycheck. So you found it. Not sure how you discerned that from what I wrote. Wait, this is Ron Im talking to. Wow, what is it with these people? Yeah, my dad was on Apollo 11 because he was the only non-vax-damaged astronaut that could fly the lunar module. The problem is us libbys, dont you know? You know, Ive had almost a month to try to process this election fiasco (assuming thats what you were referring to). The only thing I can think of is what were the 46.9 million people that didnt bother to vote doing that was so important? Nah, Im referring to blessedlys comments. Seriously, scroll through them, she uses libby as a pejorative an awful lot. Could be worse; over on Breitbart she referred to paying off the coons. This is someone who probably firmly believes that Jesus was white. Yeah, I saw Props quotes of hers. But she preaches love and tolerance, she said so. I think we can safely assume she voted for Trump. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/345e0ecc4dac2610c22393b4284d4425c8a9c16bcdabec27c53c34fa45fc12f3.jpg Its a good thing that we already know that .anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers dont mind and cheerfully accept it any way, in the words of Amy Tuteur. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb7305e34e2864f21e73c505f7956fdda5c6879bfd5ae20b6b06cc6d908b404f.jpg .anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers dont mind and cheerfully accept it any way, Amy Tuteur. OK. That woman is seriously damaged. On a related note, I see, Shygirlnnnnn (the one who left her child with a minor babysitter while she drank at a bowling alley) has popped up again, too. And Aspergers Cia is up to he usual tricks, too. Tis the season to be mental, I guess. No, shygirl is Haven DeLay, IIRC. Danyelle Robinson was the one that left her kid with a 16 year old while she went to the bowling alley and track. I stand corrected, thanks. I guess I got confused about the common element absence of the father(s) in these stories https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0e38270f594dc753850e7af34e3dca423f81d126fb2a4d52cc93cc7e9aff510.jpg Easy mistake. No harm, no foul. Here come sanity clause, Here comes sanity clause, Right down sanity clause lane Chico Marx? Edited to add: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/12e7702cd2fd013bb471550f1d21c4f919404f2900633b5c36abe0c8fb9038e2.jpg Have I told you recently that my day is always improved with a little more Reality in it? HAVE SOME REALITY :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c170674f6dc23a9b034b1ce9cee36fa7917fd62e170a99f0c5e6439627ec4a29.jpg Shanks, funky. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21b209c477d465c2325d12dd5ee35d91bf46217fac221c3b51affb2260f5e2c4.png Here is the roster for ACCV. Which one of these is your sister? None of them has a PhD in immunology. I got this link from you. You said your sister was on this committe. www hrsa gov/advisorycommittees/childhoodvaccines/accvroster pdf https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ca9dfef43634339614d197a9eb1f5bf71ea8ae47e9e2fbc6bf45c79c126a194.jpg First of all she works under ACIP and there are many Ph.D. here are two/three Marion Gruber Ph.D. Acting Director, Office of Vaccines Research and Review, Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, FDA Lluisita dela Rosa, PhD, Charlene Douglas PH.D, MPH, RN Associate Professor George Ma, but also this is a report from 2015, neither of these I just listed is my sister, and she does not just have a Ph.D. in immunology, but also a PhD in infectious diseases. So again your statement is wrong.The 2016 report has yet to be publishedbut any case your statement was ALL wrong. Carole A Heilman is the director of Division of Microbiology and Infectious Diseases (DMID), not ACIP. Marion Gruber is an ex-officio member of ACCV and currently acting direction of the Office of Vaccines Research and Review Charlene Douglas is African American (you are not) and a professor of nursing, not disease or epidemiology or whatever you think your sister does. She is a member of ACCV, not ACIP. Luisita dela Rosa has a PhD in chemistry and looks to be Phillippino. You do not. She is a member of ACCV, not ACIP. You could dig yourself out of the deep hole youve dug if you would just link us to your sisters name and actual title, preferably on a formal government website. Did you open the pdf report.your statement was no one was a PhD, nor did I say Carole A. Heilman, PhD (she is a PhD, as well as the other two mentioned, they are all PhDs) was in the ACIP committie, I said my sister was, these groups all work together. Luisita is a PhD, and I did say none of them were my sister. There is no hole to dig out but your own, you have poor comprehension, and this explains why you dont understand. These posts remain and for all to see.not only that but if you were to open the full report the pdf, you would understand how these committees (plural) work to report to CDC as well as the FDAbut you have a poor understanding of the hierarchy of these committees work together and why there are so many PhDs who contribute to them.Your statement: And there are no members of the advisory committee on childhood vaccines who have a PhD in infectious diseases. Hm. These are all the committies that work together regarding vaccines. So this was the answer I gave you and now you want to twist it to say I posted that these Drs were ACIP, I was the one who corrected you in saying my sister was a member of ACIPand that these others were not members but OF PHDS..that you claim were not on any committee or no PhDs period.YOU WERE WRONGNot only that I also pointed out this report that we are discussing is a 2015 report.Not 2016 and is not yet published.Still my sister will not be on the 2015 report but will be on the 2016 in March of 2017 when it is published. All that we discussed if a formal government website giving public informationdo not discredit what we are discussing now as not valid. You are just plain stupid. Her name is not going to be on any website until the 2016 report comes out in March of 2017.. But really why would I want to give some strange person my sisters nameto someone who has no real reason other to argueand who never will accept anything given as the truth.all your abject is to arguelike a true libby who wants total control and feels superioryou have yet to prove that thoughI on the other hand wouldt after this exchange give you the time of day. Our discussion such as it was is over, you now have been blocked. I have better things to do than to argue with a reprobate. If your sister really is a member of a national committee, her name on the roster list is public record. At this point, there is no reason to believe anything you write. Until you start backing up your claims with links to studies or other proof, you are persona non grata AL , THERE WAS NEVER ANY REASON WHAT YOU WRITE GO AND DO A PAINT JOB AND GTB BlessedtoServe: and your right my sister is not a member of IOM, HRSA and USCFC nor did I ever posted that she wasshow me where I named those that said she was.didnt think so, she is a member of The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) so now you can go and disprove that BlessedtoServe FallsAngel 2 days ago My sister who is a PhD in disease research and who is also on the committee for the CDC to award parents claims on vaccine injury. knows the FDA is lying to the public. Oh, and.. CDC | Immunization Practices | ACIP Agendas, Minutes, Videos, Presentations: Meeting Agendas Agenda October 19-20, 2016[2 pages] Final Agenda October 14, 2016 Meeting Minutes ACIP meeting minutes are posted on the website within 90 days of the meeting date. February 2016 ACIP Minutes[3.39 MB, 138 pages] Final June 24, 2016 WASHINGTON HAS HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATES https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a45f7e90d19af2234a51907771d8adc6252e6ebb30a9069de11a94e2eae0946.png already explained that: poverty. No one on ACIP has a PhD in immunology http://www dot cdc dot gov/vaccines/acip/committee/members.html WOW VACCINATIONS CAUSE INFANT DEATH https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ba94015c9a518d68620a10f830358c9eda8ef3caa3c3671a7031b73830590ac.gif Already explained that: poverty. First you said your sister is on a committee to award vaccine injury claims. There is no such committee. Awards are made by special masters, who are like judges. And not by the CDC but by USCFC. Then, you claimed she is a member of IOM. I asked which member. You failed to reply. Then, you said she is on the committee which advises HRSA on all things related to vaccine injuries. That is ACCV. That committee has no one on it with a PhD in disease or immunology. Here, again, is the screen shot of current members. Then, you claimed she is a member of ACIP. There are no members of ACIP who have a PhD in diseases or immunology. They are all medical doctors. You have lied since the very first post about your sister. Why? What good has it done you? Nothing you have written has any veracity at all. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ca9dfef43634339614d197a9eb1f5bf71ea8ae47e9e2fbc6bf45c79c126a194.jpg So shes not on a committee that determines who gets paid? Sure took you a while to pick which committee to switch your story to until they were conveniently listed for you. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/baeec3c58d6ba6268db4773ffb04519441d64f4385c40562fa3c86a3d76feced.jpg re https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b4ad63820769145967c4b7d7c037293f22bb3441c19736863174f95acd8dae3.jpg THIS IS CRAZY AMERICA WILL NOT BE A NATION ANY LONGER Arent you lucky to live in a free country where you can deprive your children of protection from preventable diseases? The rest of us can rest easy knowing that the vast majority of Americans are provax and the vast majority of children are vaccinated. You can homeschool. I wonder how nworder thinks stands a better chance at being able to be homeschooled: Those who have parents who are smarter than 200+ years of global scientific and medical consensus. 200 YEARS OF SCIENTIFIC FRAUD MORE LIKE AL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c130cc76eddfc381705d7df2933291f86edfba653b15beef3bb6a93b92945cdd.png THE VACCINE AND DRUG EMPIRE DWARFS THE LOT IT IS THE TRILLIONS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f2a2604987c1f066ee8ad8a4230bfba221ef0b39e43b0e05cf00b072fd537a8c.jpg AMERICAN PRO VAXXERS = HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD WELL DONE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/800244e99798afbe7eb18eccb85b8168459253fcefdb90a9139aa25ac0b496a7.jpg Not highest in developing world. Higher than some countries which do not count premie deaths the way USA does. USA also has high rate of poverty and no universal healthcare. Remember having this convo last week? Well, here are your reminders. We are much closer to the best countries than we are to the worst. There are many countries in the same 5 range as USA. Pretty much all the countries with better IMRs have socialized medicine and far less poverty (meaning more welfare and higher taxes) than USA. Plus, there is an additional reason the USA has a higher IMR than some of the best countries: we count premature births differently and we have significant issues with regards to income and other demographics. According to Chen, Oster, and Williams, some European countries count very premature infants who then die not as infant deaths but as miscarriages. We count them as infant deaths, in USA. Also, there are dramatic differences, in USA, between socioeconomic groups. Digging deeper into these numbers, Oster and her colleagues found that the higher U.S. mortality rates are due entirely, or almost entirely, to high mortality among less advantaged groups. To put it bluntly, says the Washington Post, babies born to poor moms in the U.S. are significantly more likely to die in their first year than babies born to wealthier moms. https://vaccinesworkblog dot wordpress dot com/2016/09/20/usa-infant-mortality-rate-is-low-part-1/ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/725269149999d34753508d082e75ed5ea962067ff422393742889e381a29d37a.jpg NONSENSE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/249826606fa2bc5d18ca344472f3877315795655d349113c4a8bc594fdde1b43.jpg EVERY COUNTRY HAS ITS POOR ITS VACCINATION THATS DOING IT omg! Scary ingredients!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/63e1ea3db45eae9804263e281fa0179f24b6190607fb5036721bb24419a3b36d.jpg Ha! BUT YOU ARE MEANT TO EAT THEM NOT INJECT THEM DUH That is Ian Gromowski. He was born after a very risky pregnancy and aspirated mecononium during birth. He is suffering sepsis. He had a severe reaction to the antibiotic they gave him. They also gave him hep B shot and his parents claimed the shot led to his death. It is impossible to know what killed him but the sepsis and allergic reaction are far more likely than the vaccine. YOU ARE LYING AS USUAL ITS NEVER THE VACCINE WITH YOU AL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8d6fd3f73d56b78a9ccf378e15976e949213f5b9f0c9a3ecb08f961d4e251693.jpg Excema? Not a big deal and certainly far far milder than pertussis, diphtheria or tetanus. Not a reason to avoid vaccines. IT WILL GO MUCH DEEPER THAN THE SURFACE ECZEMA A lifetime of illness lies ahead . VACCINE DAMAGED KIDS AND ADULTS Would you like me to start posting pictures of children who have lost limbs and noses to meningitis? Unvaxed children? How about the recollections of parents who have seen their children suffer from tetanus, unvaxed children? I could post pictures of polio wards and pictures of children with sepsis from chicken pox. How about a list of people who are deaf from measles? Would you like me to list the vast number of children made mentally retarded from measles, back before the vaccine? How about pictures of cleft palates caused from fetal exposure to rubella? Again in the USA we compensate 150 claims of vaccine injury a year. Before vaccines, tens of thousands of children a year died or were permanently maimed by diseases for which we vaccinate. THE INCREASE IN MENINGITIS IS CAUSED BY VACCINATION . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f61c7556ae1b251611f07a77ca959eb42e758793fdd229112ed7bb9d4c5b6a0.jpg Very unlikely to see any Tetanus more chance of being hit by a meteorite unless you fake them THE polio vaccine caused the increase in polio look at the 50,000 cases of paralysis in India Your tens of thousands were suffering from LACK of sanitation . hygiene and nutrition NOT lack of vaccines which made things worse. The one with the tiara is Loren. She was born with Dravets Syndrome. We know more about it today so now she would not get a vaccine injury compensation because that is a genetic disorder. I feel sad for her mother, to have such a devastatingly disabled child, but she was born this way. TROLLS ALWAYS BLAME THE VACCINE VICTIM NEVER THE VACCINE A two-year-old boy who developed a serious reaction to his fathers smallpox vaccination has recovered but disease detectives found infectious virus all over his house, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Thursday. A photo of the boys stomach is seen in a handout photo from the University of Chicagos Comer Childrens Hospital. NW IT LOOKS LIKE SMALLPOX TO ME FROM THE VACCINE 1. That is Eczema vaccinatum. 2. Only the military get small pox vaccine 3. That dad violated protocol and exposed his child to Eczema vaccinatum. That was easily prevented, if he had followed the rules he was given. I hope he was cited and punished for putting his poor child through this. 4. Weve eradicated smallpox from earth. DEAD FOR NO REASON THE HPV DOES NOT EVEN WORK Too bad that is a lie GARDASIL DANGERS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/83d284bac00fb85f16d604cbb65d771cc2c665595b32acc71d33c184c5e9d4ef.png Thrombocytopenia isnt death. Yes it is. If a friends grandson had not been rushed to the Dartmouth Hitchcock medical center because of a reaction to the measles vaccine ( thrombocytopenia ) he would have died. And that Mickey was according to the doctors that treated him. If a friends grandson had not been rushed to the Dartmouth Hitchcock medical center because of a reaction to the measles vaccine ( thrombocytopenia ) he would have died Gosh, imagine if he had caught actual measles. ITP rarely results in death, perhaps they should have taken him to a doctor before he was at deaths door? His parents DID take him to a doctor they were told not to worry it was a NORMAL reaction and that it would go away. They then rushed him to Dartmouth where the doctors there said if they hadnt brought him there he would have died. And again, imagine if that happened from the vaccine, what would have happened if he got the real measles? imagine if that happened from the vaccine, what would have happened if he got the real measles? Nothing because it wasnt the virus in the vaccine that caused him to have thrombocytopenia it was one of the toxic additives. I hope that answers your question. it wasnt the virus in the vaccine Sorry, but more than likely it was the virus. That is why ITP is associated with measles infection, Ron. Unless getting the measles comes with toxic additives. Well, BS so far has claimed that only California mandates vaccines for school attendance (falsehood), vaccines are mandatory for adults (falsehood), California does not follow the recommended vaccine schedule (false), all children must get all shots with no exceptions (false), the autism rate in California has skyrocketed since SB277 was enacted (false) and Muslims are exempt from getting school vaccines (false). Her track record in re: veracity is shaky, to say the least, so why should be believe her claims about her sister not to mention her personally knowing two people who died of mercury poisoning after getting a vaccine that contains no thimerosal? www dot fda dot gov slash BiologicsBloodVaccines slash SafetyAvailability slash VaccineSafety slash UCM09a6228 THE AIM OF THE PHARMA GANGSTERS IS TO FORCE VACCINATE EVERYONE IN THE STATES WITH 200 VACCINES WITH NO EXEMPTIONS THIS IS REAL PROFIT OF AROUND 4000 PER PERSON INCREDIBLE. IT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD EXPECT OF GANGSTERS WHO HAVE FOUND A WAY OF MAKING MONEY AN EASY CLEAN WAY USING BRIBERY AND THE OCCASIONAL EXECUTION SO NOW ITS YOUR TURN AMERICAS DEMISE THROUGH MEDICAL POISONING . Note that this poster makes no attempt to defend any of BSs falsehoods. And their *brains bled out* And your proof is what? Oh yea you have none. Links are held for moderation, but this is pretty basic stuff. Just Google vaccine court. Do your research! Vaccine court? I thought vaccine court was where parents commit fraud so they can get free money? And the court is so messed up they dont even require evidence. Nope, thats not what it is. Nice strawman, though! AMERICAS INFANT MORTALITY GAP GETS WORSE AS BABIES AGE AND GET MORE VACCINATIONS . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e7c61144a1df22fca191e369848179add0360b4d8de1679a3ba376a6b37952e.png What vaccines do Austrians and Finns not receive? Why should I assume that the results are due to vaccination and not the many other social, economic, and medical differences between these three countries? THEY DONT RECEIVE MORE THAN HALF THE AMOUNT AMERICANS RECEIVE GREEN YOUR LIFE AN ANGRY FATHERS GUIDE TO MEASLES VACCINE THAT KILLED HIS CHILD Recently, The Daily Mail explained why Japan banned the MMR shot, a shot still in wide circulation here in the U.S.: Japan stopped using the MMR vaccine seven years agovirtually the only developed nation to turn its back on the jab. Government health chiefs claim a four-year experiment with it has had serious financial and human costs. Of the 3,969 medical compensation claims relating to vaccines in the last 30 years, a quarter had been made by those badly affected by the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, they say. The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions. Official figures show there were three deaths while eight children were left with permanent handicaps ranging from damaged hearing and blindness to loss of control of limbs. Quick aside: If you are wondering WHY so many more shots are given, the primary trigger was that the U.S. government indemnified vaccine makers from being sued in 1986. I write extensively about this watershed moment in my post, Henry Waxman: Father of the Autism Epidemic. Heres my fourth conclusion: The United States recommends far more vaccines than any other country and far more than they did in the 1980s. As a parent, you should know this. If you choose to follow Finlands vaccine schedule rather than the United States, does that make you anti-vaccine or prudent? 5. The debate about whether or not vaccines cause Autism is far from over. cigarettes_do_not_causeLike tens of thousands of other parents who I have heard from, I watched my son regress from normal to Autism between the age of 12 and 20 months. His decline coincided perfectly with his vaccine schedule and he developed a myriad of physical symptoms that ultimately ended up with an Autism diagnosis. I just came across a site recently with more than 2,500 personal accounts of vaccine injury that I think is worth a look right here. I dont believe you. Got a source for the all-caps statement you made before launching into a tangential lecture? Also, you never addressed my second concern. The USA, Austria, and Finland are very different when it comes to health and parenting. Why should I assume that the most important difference is vaccines when you havent even shown that vaccination is different in these three countries? AMERICAS HIGHEST VACCINE RATE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7ec271f0651dff928b0beed5267e80a6023feca43331c70e7ae97e7dbf37c8e2.jpg Where are your independently-funded double-blind placebo studies to show that vaccines are the cause of the different rates, instead of varying definitions, cost and availability of health care, availability of maternal leave, differing standards of care, diet, cultural practices, etc.? VAXXING INFANTS LEADS TO MORE FLU DEATHS You ever wonder if maybe theres a reason that Neil Z. Miller doesnt want to show you the figures for years outside that narrow period? Ever wonder why he didnt go further back than 1999 or use more than a single five-year old data point to make his point? NO Of course you wouldnt. You get all your information from misleading images, apparently. As for the latest in your flurry of images, thats a fallacy arguing against a 100.00% effective straw vaccine that could be given to 100.00% of children. It also suggests that I shouldnt care about the health of unvaccinated children, which is a selfish position with which I strongly disagree. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d98ba11d3961e4ce387862c8ac4e5aa897dd32cf0b48c4c5e2c10f1c0eff97b.jpg Gee, its almost as though autism is a rapidly changing diagnosis that didnt get widespread attention before the 90s! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a744b4ade665e454e8b0293b0254d7e46e938eb4694e12b5aa023ae765b1eb0.gif Yo MEASLES DEATHS BY VACCINATION https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/99c4c26362d8f6bde36592809851be35d67aa6c690102cf7ff353089d60603c1.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a35502302b396d28061999fa1638670c06fa2568115e1959c046eba567683a20.jpg Do you have any thoughts of your own, or do you rely exclusively on these images to tell you what you think? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f4e5fa0122519980b99436e16270758754a30167f5e31599e2aa4d29fdb039e.jpg Ill take that as a no, then. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a8bd6a8e7d14165da4a0d634220a3efa10def4942766fd5807228f430e972c49.jpg Definitely a no. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b62a6c9414d5a8fa78bf008e620e1e932f7e25412b99673fa9dacd58f6934c9.jpg If only the evidence actually backed up your crackpot claims, eh? WHY IS THIS FOOL NOT STRUCK OFF https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a842c98485d69ddec97fa0c0e173b7b3fa39560a7ef05d6ba54835f916f1b82.jpg And..? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e860d6d12ffd7a71025a904eea200b3b9f37d0d8b8e6d590aee25b3b7f072d13.jpg Ah, back to the 19th century. Compelling stuff. THE FRAUDULENT FAKE DOCTOR JENNER IS THE FATHER AND INVENTOR OF VACCINES AND HE IS TAUGHT IN MEDICAL SCHOOL TODAY AROUND 200 YEARS OLD HE IS KILLED HIS SON WITH SMALLPOX VACCINATION HOW WOULD YOU LIKE SOME COWPUSS INJECTED Why wouldnt his work be taught? Its important to learn about the origins of immunology and inoculation. Im skeptical that Phipps or his son died from complications of smallpox vaccination (Im only seeing that claim made on crackpot websites), but even if they did, Jenners work is very old and not consistent with current practices. Interestingly, medicine has advanced since the 18th century! Again, that is the wrong caption, N-worder. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e12c6d26d4382ed17a52333907722f2b157884447ee6732684be1d61fc186a4f.jpg Who made this? wasnt Tilden a quack who didnt believe in treating anemia or performing surgery? Ill have to make a new caption now!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d3b88c51aa684e01fb4e67e6de64d29679a6445e21854e315a2bdc78f0fa306.jpg Thats the wrong caption for that picture, n-worder. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/98888e9c2510e12feace15eb39e5d2bcd74bf473aa412faeef6b38e25d7b8979.jpg THIS NUMBER OF VACCINES IN AMERICA IS EVEN WORSE NOW 1. Thats by age six, not age one. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e8c2e085e0616075614ad32e4422b564028f2cc50d33db9f59e0419311f93015.jpg AND WHO ON EARTH WOULD BE SO STUPID WHAT GIVING A BABY 10 VACCINES ON THE SAME DAY EQUIVALENT TO AN ADULT GETTING 300 JABS Good thing a 180 pound adults body could handle far more than 30 vaccines a day! LIKE 10,000 VACCINES IN A CHILD X 30 TIMES = ADULT CAN HANDLE SO https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/73957dc29d2c7c77213d1b0c599b692975965303b3e138c6c72f7162e4ca386f.jpg What? Where did you suddenly grab 10,000 from? FROM YOUR HERO PAUL OFFIT A MAN WHO IS ALLOWED TO POISON MILLIONS . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8748a411fcd49614093302e9c9d80dcfa6e42c3fac8528ffe82f44e841cc8f22.jpg u https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8540666690cfbe9c4abf694cf8cb80c0bd75df156e45b6d6b9b71c2a1a7220d7.jpg She sure does well for herself in the multi-billion dollar alt-med industry, doesnt she? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/59ed2687b7b9a7d9c70a95dac9b4f8a2a57d15a293bd17a4edbbd8b902c11ca0.jpg You bounce around like a pinball. What a sick little liar you are! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4fca0c9ae41a45486782883f4ed679551379dd847048ac4f7c2016b800344bee.jpg Source? Was he a doctor, or a vaccine expert? He was wrong, btw. Vaccination was classed by the coming generation as one of the miracles of modern medicine. What is the NVICP classified as Mike? BUT READ THE NUMBERS DEAR KEN THEY ARE ARE ARE DIFFERENT you silly billy 2 and 7 are different numbers that doesnt mean rocket launches cause bad breath. VACCINATION CAN GIVE YOUR INFANT AUTISM DONT PLAY THE VACCINE LOTTERY :- Fun fact: the diagnostic criteria for autism have changed so drastically since 1983, the current diagnosis includes what used to be four separate diagnoses! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ddaafab86aa7ee1991723ea5165f34ba060780ed4f77c9561b228c822d3cf66e.jpg MERCURY IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU DUMB DUMB WANTS YOU TO POISON YOUR KIDS WHATS DUMB DUMBS QUALIFICATION ????? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/608d31ef9189344a4a66f82ced15bfcafb6204d827143d5157dfda052b25ad46.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64cbf6d97c5ce2473703326b700106be225ff139469c1f3c867e826dded98474.jpg JAPAN STOPS VACCINATING UNDER 2 YEAR OLDS AND DEATH RATE FALLS THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY STOPPED ALTOGETHER https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2bc0c3416976516a1626802812964db2527bd968fcfc02fe82fcdcbed51a2969.jpg Proof it actually lowered first? Second, 12 months or more = Not SIDs since toddlers are not infants. Appeal to authority again. This link contains the immunization schedule for all European countries except Russia. If you count up until 12 months (the definition of IMR is under 12 months), Austrian babies receive everything US babies do PLUS MMR and chickenpox at 11 months. Finland does not give Hep B routinely but does give it plus BCG (tuberculosis vaccine) to high risk babies starting at birth. Otherwise its immunization schedule is the same as the US. My post with the live link will probably appear eventually. AMERICA IS EVEN WORSE NOW WITH THE NUMBER OF VACCINES THROUGH THE ROOF YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS GRAPH VERY CLEAR WAY BACK IN 2009 HOW MUCH DAMAGE VACCINES DO What is your source for this? VACCINE TOXINS LISTED WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO PUT THIS LOT INTO THEIR BLOODSTREAM I put a bunch of them into a graph, for my blog https://vaccinesworkblog wordpress com/2016/10/30/usa-does-not-vaccinate-more-than-other-countries/ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/36341b99ec615609484350011fc90179c67187b8a299e840b173608681aab90c.jpg THERE COULD NOT BE A MORE TWISTED LYING DOCUMENT THAN A TROLL GRAPH So, what I am getting from your posts is you like to use cap locks, you dont post any proof of your claims and you wont read proof of our claims. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to consider your points at all. DOCTORS AT THE COAL FACE She is a homeopath. She believes in magic. You are just spamming now, arent you? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f0a3f0fa32e3969174e944691de3a920bafc2a1bd3ba0ccfae9d95cdb7587874.jpg Thats not an answer, thats a logical fallacy. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/989c78e596ad845327c37254360fb7db121a07b092399539c987895c122d71be.png Same reason they list drowning and car crashes. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b6ecf0ce762bd8657c3cec87d331e833f229f4cd442e8e339fccddeda82a067.jpg Its cute how every time your arguments are shot down for being fallacious or just flat out lies, you just vomit out a new, irrelevant picture. Now Im treated to a quack hawking (non-peer-reviewed) books and vitamins, with citations to the loony bin of the Internet. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/53e4db0dce0d414f6bd25bfd525c5beb9893d6b13c0f68969345dd129a15d798.jpg Oh, this is one of my favorites. Its invariably worded to suggest ghastly industrial harvesting of aborted fetuses, when only two aborted fetuses were involved, both aborted in the 1960s. Let me go out on a limb here and predict that your reply will be another image which will have nothing to do with what I said. THE VACCINES HAVE STILL GOT THE DNA OF THESE FETUSES WHICH WILL INFECT THE VACCINE RECIPIENTS DNA https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e5c9e08565c4d59f0a09a191c4d8d2bc0141657127309985e0f76453d916678.jpg a (Quotations from the 19th century arent very persuasive) THEY STILL ARE FOR JENNER THE FATHER OF THE OCCULT FILTHY PRACTICE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/37b30507f93244028443d2a2015c88e4ea2e3ab84368798b327119ef1bd3eec6.png Let me know when you can stay on one topic for two consecutive comments. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3882c80b723609b9ae8570b350ae9fdc6d90988e06b19f5e5c293db169f712cf.jpg Numbers? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e56d1c186532a5d41a26aea8b0fd76a19f63e2b52227f2343e9b0ada6f9536f0.jpg Just so you know, Im stealing that. Behold the power of G**gle! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8cf35b4b715327070f80795e26751307582f36988b1aba68bd2fd1065c7316d2.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/25f72853ea0c3a5cb33fc024a11a4dde319e245f34281bf8a8acfa811653ffe9.png ITS ACTUALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND AL (KEN) ITS THE RESEARCHERS WHO ARE TOLD TO RIGHT WHAT THE PHARMA EXECS WANT https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/50bef0806557085553ff4a1762cf55232080aec6af9f9dfb4d7769299e303ca1.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e1d5b307a96f358b61e9b36c4975054feaca42a1130470af1e4b47fd95ef8036.jpg Except Francis isnt a doctor he is a chemist who sells expensive vitamin supplements and promises he can cure all disease and that you will never be sick again. Never trust anyone who doesnt know where to put an apostrophe, I say. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e78b1ca01cea63db4a01fb1e7406036fccddfa541fcaa68080462798a6fb083c.jpg Youre having way too much fun with these, Mike! I get bored refuting the same old lies over and over. Im getting a good giggle out of them, mself. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1823cda132ac9db11da6f1591c68377e177f31888aafc50c49f5fb6f4f0c9008.jpg Jonathan Graham, op.cit. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8073c4e4ae73b1c014ce7b4cae2db963604842de0c5baecbba42e1c975415bdd.jpg AL MATHER YOUR NOT FIT TO WIPE HIS A ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f2b28763c8a1da67c323e22df02700c61db8cfdfca76a713847778777c9c0ca.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ce86058a913aeaeb99f7eca1f04c1286e09294689fb840b012fc53e792126254.gif A PRO VAX SUCKER BELIEVES THE TV AND MSN WELL DONE KEN SORRY AL MATHER LOL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d1a97aef2f86f01099190f80af4db6ccfcdde879fbc0293064a7ae47eca08d6.gif Needs moar exclamation points to be taken seriously. But think about how electrically charged your blood will be!!!!!111!!!11!! Hmmph. Aluminum effects contin. What is this contin you speak of, and how does aluminium bring it about? ALUMINIUM EFFECTS [SIC] CONTIN, HEY??? ALUMINIUM INGESTED HAS ONLY A TINY ABSORPTION RATE BUT INJECTED HAS 100% ABSORPTION RATE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/11e5052ba60ead848acad64ddd6ea1085a108545aa2c19d49cdefe2387f796f6.jpg (Quotations from the 19th centuryare very informative because the MEDICAL MAFIA didnt have the power it does today so doctors were a little more outspoken. They also knew far, far less about the body, there was little structure for peer review, and scammers could advertise miracle cures that didnt work. Huh, sounds like modern naturopathy! DR JENNER THE FATHER OF THE WHOLE VACCINATION SCAM 200 YRS + AGO YES THE UNQUALIFIED OCCULT SCAMMER THE SO CALLED DR JENNER WHO WAS A FINANCIAL FRAUD AND BRIBED FOR HIS QUALIFICATION . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0dc8316a2e30cf545b8f180825f85fafa0d0e42040317c297cc72b5c79046459.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2dbad81d610258d1103dd49d33b68b46c8bf546ba0604170ab601025b898faf5.gif That is from the study I link to in my blog, the one which discusses poverty and the affect on IMR. It is by Chen, Oster, and Williams. http://www nber org/papers/w20525.pdf vaccinesworkblog wordpress com/2016/09/20/usa-infant-mortality-rate-is-low-part-1/ AMERICAS INFANT MORTALITY DROPS AS BABIES GET MORE VACCINATIONS . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38887caa2a523a94985d48bf422176753baf8ac869f9714a7e23325d9155b01d.gif Make that yourself Mike? Not a CDC committee though, is it? My sister sits on the same committee. Perhaps they know each other? CDC committee which includes vaccine makers and CDC reps. Hmm real unbiased. The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so its obvious that vaccines (or the miniscule amounts or thimerosol or other ingredients) dont cause it. IMPOSSIBLE SINCE WE HARDLY HAVE ANY UNVACCINATED KIDS IN AMERICA . 1. Mike is correct, you were lying about your sister sitting on a vaccine injury committee. HRSA is not a commitee. 2. To make links dead, you just need to remove the dots. You dont need to spell out all the slashes, etc. 2. The data you are mentioning is compiled by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Health Resources and Services Administration. They have a website. There is no committee. Meantime, we have compensated 4800 claims of vaccine injury and paid out $3 billion in awards, which includes attorney fees for denied claims as well, in 30 years. During that time, we have given out 3 billion vaccines. That makes vaccines 99.999984% safe. http://www hrsa gov/vaccinecompensation/data/index.html If you want us to stop calling you a liar, list your sisters name and the exact committee name she is on. Otherwise, you are lying. You first said she was on a vaccine court committee and now you are saying she is on a HRSA committee. These are not committees. VACCINATION DAMAGE COMPARED WITH UNVACCINATED https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3aa4d602fced86ff34d26d98ea9f0d81132b7b6406e8cbd84d8ffc6972f1a0ec.jpg I believe that graph is from Bachmair, the German homeopath who surveyed his own fans and called it science? Nope. INFANT MORTALITY AMERICA BEING THE HIGHEST INFANT VACCINATORS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1eb291c3debb2bad45a49602dd75eabb5e804c2fca613dd2afba9dcdc854a90f.jpg Actually, that is only a partial list. Google CIA infant mortality for the full list. yes the full list is even worse since many 3rd and 2nd world countries beat America with less infant deaths . No. You are wrong. First of all, we dont call them 2nd and 3rd world countries anymore. Secondly, every country which has better IMR has less poverty and does count premies in their IMR. But I call them 2nd and 3rd world countries especially if the american military has blasted them to bits . Aha, so you are a racist. Got it. What a stupid idiotic statement you are piss AL But I call them 2nd and 3rd world countries especially if the american military has blasted them to bits . So, Japan, Germany and Italy? I am in the present tense you fool like the whole of the middle east , syria iraq Your grasp of current military affairs reveals a heavy reliance on sweeping generalizations, wishful thinking, and a vivid imagination. (Not unlike your grasp of chemistry and immunology). AUTISM ADMITTED BY CDC THEN HIDDEN Andits another goalpost shift. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c302f973fc0dd6e35a20f34b03429e761334c49f25fa3e46781de361bf82134.jpg Charlatans like anti-vaxxers? Yep. SMALLPOX CAUSED BY VACCINATIONS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6de8e3eb649f3ce9821741a9f9a182963352c4d38c641f3e258908795dbcd5f7.jpg Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers dont mind and cheerfully accept it any way. Amy Tuteur. Except that he was wrong. The data doesnt indicate any of that. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a8a1947e30cb08795b633cf5dac618fb251c27df1ced5c1af71a02d41bf5151a.jpg Sadly that doesnt make Thompsons point. Did you mean to say does NOT count premies? Because some countries dont county extreme preemies (under 500 gm, roughly 1#). Some dont even count babies who die in the first 24 hours as live births. Most English speaking countries and Scandinavian countries do use our definition. Yes, thanks, fixed https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc93f265a9c6c6aa64128e409493672944311a537bde9b88408d0c6300ee307e.jpg Well, thats quite interesting! HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN AMERICA Whats his PhD in, underwater basketweaving? He cant read. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6846fba7e92c6dff79640562a5c57d05f2e268a41a44214580c54ffb40d4f5d6.jpg now who is bearing false witness That would be you. SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES AGAIN AL . YOU ARE A ROTTEN TROLL WHY NOT SWEEP UP LEAVES IT WOULD BE REFRESHING COMPARED WITH WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING NOW lol Shut up Mike RISE IN AUTISM IN AMERICA WITH VACCINATION RISE IN AUTISM IN AMERICA WITH ORGANIC FOOD CONSMPTION. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0dbe80eea222a86690f0553b270960f3be54a26e42eaacdb955e7aa8780cc1a1.jpg You as always Stevens. If there is sin in knowing the truth the you should be very thankful Mike and I (and others) have been correcting your misinformation. BUT YOU ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON AL MATHER WITH MULTIPLE IDENTITIES AND AL NEVER GOT ANYTHING RIGHT. If youll be my bodyguard MEASLES FLATLINES BEFORE VACCINATION https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc59e74235113dbf0dfa9976e7c47beefb29b034e008537bac185da46e635d1f.png That last bump before the vaccination campaign began represents 500 deaths a year. And mortality is not the only reason we vaccinate. Morbidity is also a very important concern. In the 1950s thru 1963, USA had the highest incidence of measles in the 20th century. Tens of thousands of children a year were permanently injured, some severely, by measles and none of them were compensated by any injury fund. Also, the reason mortality rate dropped is breathing treatments and antibiotics. Doesnt mean people were not suffering. Millions of children a year got measles. Every single one of them suffered and they were all at risk for SSPE, which is 100% fatal. YOU ARE MAKING IT UP Read thei history of measles in USA for yourself. http://jid dot oxfordjournals dot org/content/189/Supplement_1/S177.full I KNOW IT I HAD IT (and still played football) to me it was less than a cold and the same with everyone I knew since there was no vax at that time . You did not have measles and still play football. Stop lying. SERIOUSLY YOU ARE JUST FULL OF YANKEE PROPAGANDA FOR BIG CORPORATIONS. Maybe you should present facts instead of lies, then. You are lying about your sister being on a committee. So, now she is a member of IOM? When asked which committee she is on, you have now named the institute of medicine, the department of health and human services HRSA website, and the United States Court of Federal Claims. Not one of this is a committee. COMMITTEES TAKE ALL KINDS OF FORMS And, yet, nothing she has cited is run by a committee in any way shape or form. YOU ARE GETTING DESPERATE TO NOT BE SACKED AS A TROLL AL oops sorry KATHY . piddling around in a pedantic swamp lol Thats it with you shills? Evidence labelled lies? No counter argument? I am beginning to wonder about this ones mental acuity. YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP TROLL CASH BY TALKING TO YOURSELF AL And you can prove this? Not likely troll If you were honest, you could confirm everything I said in under a minute. Too bad youre not. I doubt it. I invite you to try! Thats your counter argument? Go away troll Lies from liars arent very good evidence. I agree. Stop lying dude Exactly. Those who are in charge of vaccines change the rules when cornered. Their claims are 100% bogus, but how can they be challenged when you cant sue. Vaccination is 100% experimentation and they will continue to use consumers as free test subjects till they perfect them, which may never happen. The doctors name and details that you promised? I did not promise any documents.autopsy reports are with the family, and I have no permission to post them, that would be in violation of HIPPA as I have stated before. You said: I will give you the Drs name and you can argue with them in regards to their findings So can we have the name, and some other identifying info, so I dont end up arguing with the wrong doctor? First are you a Dr.,? 2nd do you have a medical release from the family so you can talk with that Dr.? 3rd are you in compliance with HIPPA laws? Why did you say you would release the name of the doctor if you have no intent to do so? I had asked the family if I may release his name, they decline and said only if for another Dr. and they must sign a medical release form for that Dr. to receive it.. I know libbys dont know compassion towards a family that lost a loved one, but there it isagainIll repeat the same questions and forward it to the family. They are not going to release this information to just anybody, they are going through legal claimant and that is what they expressed to me. Do not cast pearls (of wisdom) before swine .. Jesus Mike is just a cheap troll he will just try to trample on the story He is AL MATHER well kathy is no better eitherthese people are such programmed drones Funny, because you are the one posting misinformation and I am the one correcting you, complete with links to the facts. what links,..? I will CP the comments you must have missed. Re: your assertion that vaxtruth had some information about menomume. Menomume is for ages 12 and up and contains 25 micrograms per dose. http://www dot fda dot gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1 You seem to be very wrong in your assertions. And There is no committee at the CDC to aware parents claims on vaccine injury. Vaccine injury claims go through the United States Court of Federal Claims and claims are heard by one special master and opinions rendered by that one special master, who then configures compensation claims. There are no panels or committees. http://www dot uscfc dot uscourts dot gov/vaccine-program-readmore Trace amounts of thimerosal are harmless, just as thimerosal was harmless when used in vaccines. http://www dot fda dot gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1 Your sister is not telling you the truth. Allow me to add- IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE SINCE TRACE AMOUNTS OF THIMEROSAL ARE HIGHLY TOXIC https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e10511b54043c8500ebe987ad88ac32f6771e72b8a17f5b7edfe735d7fdf51f.jpg US HAS HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY DUE TO VACCINATIONS EVEN AFTER SPENDING A FORTUNE ON HEALTH MORE THAN ALL OF EUROPE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/749b3f9452aafd62638958fbc79adad8295e85c163c5d6417305fc4ba09de7ad.png That data is old. The current rate, according to the CIA ( which tracks intl IMR data0 is 5.8 deaths per 1000. All the countries which do better than USA have universal healthcare and far less poverty, due to higher taxes and more social welfare. Also, all the countries with better IMR do ont count premature infant deaths in their IMR count. The USA does. And premature death is directly correlated with poverty. We have far higher poverty than all those other countries. Most of them vaccinate the same as USA, so it has nothing to do with vaccines. I wrote a three part blog series about this issue, with full links to data proving my points. https://vaccinesworkblog. dot wordpress dot com YOU ARE MAKING IT UP AMERICA HAS LESS POVERTY THAN NEARLY ALL OTHER COUNTRIES ESPECIALLY EASTERN EUROPE AND CUBA AND EVEN CUBA BEATS YOU lol The USA is 127 out of 162 in world poverty rankings. Meaning, 35 countries have less poverty than USA. http://www dot indexmundi dot com/g/r.aspx?v=69 The USA is 169 out of 225 in IMR rankings. Meaning, 56 countries lose fewer infants. https://www dot cia dot gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html Oh lookie! Look how similar the two lists are! USA IS THE WORLDS WEALTHIEST NATION :- THE WASHINGTON POST :- The United States has a higher infant mortality rate than any of the other 27 wealthy countries, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control. A baby born in the U.S. is nearly three times as likely to die during her first year of life as one born in Finland or Japan. That same American baby is about twice as likely to die in her first year as a Spanish or Korean one. Despite healthcare spending levels that are significantly higher than any other country in the world, a baby born in the U.S. is less likely to see his first birthday than one born in Hungary, Poland or Slovakia. Or in Belarus. Or in Cuba, for that matter. The U.S. rate of 6.1 infant deaths per 1,000 live births masks considerable state-level variation. If Alabama were a country, its rate of 8.7 infant deaths per 1,000 would place it slightly behind Lebanon in the world rankings. Mississippi, with its 9.6 deaths, would be somewhere between Botswana and Bahrain. Were the wealthiest nation in the world. How did we end up like this? YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TELL ME THAT CUBA IS WEALTHIER THAN THE US lol Cuba has less poverty than USA, yes. Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Belarus also all have less poverty, per capita, than USA. Alabama is an incredibly poor state and did they take on medicare expansion? Nope. Same with Mississippi, our poorest state. I would be willing to pay more in taxes to fund universal healthcare, free education for all, and a welfare system that actually worked. Not only would IMR be better but a lot of other aspects of life would be better, too. Would you like to see life better? IF YOU ARE ON FOOD STAMPS IN AMERICA YOU WILL BE WEALTHIER THAN ALL THE POORER COUNTRIES IN CUBA DOCTORS GET $25 PER MONTH . THE WAY TO SEE LIFE BETTER IS TO STOP ALL VACCINATING AND THE TOXIC FOOD IN AMERICA DISMANTLE THE ROCKEFELLER MEDICAL MAFIA SYNDICATE. Yet another unfounded claim. So far, I think you are on #47. Thats a lot of unfounded claims. I think, at this point, you deserve only memes. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1d084d48c028bee19b59b9af16cb892d716219c578904f5580654c9cf979f89d.jpg MEASLES FLATLINES BEFORE VACCINATION https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03d457a5ced49e84a750a4782f76b86d2a20c226d4b5feef0010306489d42131.jpg I already explained that to you. Morbidity v mortality, suffering, no compensation for tens of thousands of VPD injuries yearly, etc. Not incidence. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14975a67f1d7a3e6330c1cc9c7faa34db8ffc569766267bdca478c6ce671f24b.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e61f1fa09e55028ed3b9fa293e41d5e2b20f0fed70ee01ea920445635412f046.jpg He was wrong; so are you. She also missed my question about every other country in the world. OH MY ! DID SHE REALLY DUMB DUMB SPEAKS TO HIMSELF AGAIN. And there is a thimerosal-free version of Menomune; since Menactra came out in 2005 it is used only for people over 55. What you say now is perfectly reasonable. As I said before, a medical event of this extreme rarity and impossibility would certainly be written up for the journals. It seems odd that it hasnt been, and that miraculously, I seem to be speaking to someone on the Internet who knows those involved. Hmmmserious vaccine injury is like 1 in a million if we go by the NVICP court awards. And then everyone is connected to six degrees of separation via friend-of-a-friend type statements. Dont know what to *do* with these figures but they seem relevant somehow. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/acf057382c6ea79dc8b59e2a4718c1a43228d2452949e2cf7d42f9e499724edc.jpg HERES SOME DOCTORS FER YA :- The vaccinations are not working and they are dangerous. We should be working with nature. Dr. Lendon Smith, MD There is no scientific evidence that vaccinations are of any benefit, but it is clear that they cause a great deal of harm. Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD All vaccines are and have been causing ischemic (impaired blood flow) damages to all creating a plethora of chronic illnesses, disease, and in some instances, death. The injury from vaccination is additive; each vaccination further injures. Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD When you impair the brain blood flow by vaccination you can impair the respiration control center which can result in death. We call it SIDS. Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD Vaccination is the most dangerous medical practice in the history of classical medicine. Dr. Sladjana Velkov (Macedonia) [With vaccination] what in reality is prevented is not the disease but the ability of our cellular immune system to manifest, to respond to and to overcome the disease! There is no system of the human being, from mind to muscles to immune system, which gets stronger through avoiding challenges, but only through overcoming challenges. Dr. Philip Incao, MD I have lectured all over the world I have always had a special interest in newspapers. All of them have one thing in common, there is always some reference made to some epidemic in some part of the world. For instance, two years ago, one paper referred to a polio epidemic in Holland. For the past three years, our newspapers have commented on the diphtheria epidemic in Russia. By these means, the population is constantly threatened with epidemics, they have been made to fear them, and the reports always conclude: Go and get vaccinated. Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD To create fear among parents to strengthen their motivation to vaccinate is an important part of the publicity used to promote vaccinations. A whole branch of research is examining the question: What level of fear needs to be created to appear as convincing as possible? Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD In 1866, an English physician described a very strange illness. Children looked like Mongols. His name was Down. Thats why we call it Downs Syndrome today I should add that this syndrome is a result of the vaccinations carried throughout England by Jenner in 1796 It (Downs Syndrome) is probably the first congenital disease caused by vaccinations. In Germany, the first child with evidence of Downs Syndrome was reported in 1922. Today, one in every 700 newborns has it. Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD Do you only have the names of a few quacks? YOU TROLLS ARE THE QUACKS THE UNEMPLOYABLES There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age. Dr. Paul Frame, MD, Journal of Family Practice Only after realizing that routine immunizations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates. Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD Ill talk about vaccines. Number one, vaccines make people sick. They dont work. They dont protect. The use of vaccines is totally wrong! Its perfect nonsense based on fear. They are dangerous. One child out of five has overwhelming disabilities from vaccines neurological problems, seizures. During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldnt put my finger on the disease they have. They just werent strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since. Dr. William Howard Hay, MD Nobody needs to be confused but everybody better be darn well frightened about taking any vaccine, under any circumstance, for any reason, at any time in their life. Dr. Daniel H. Duffy Sr., DC (retired air force officer 21 yrs., family doctor 28 yrs., vaccination researcher 49 yrs.) I vaccinated both my children with the MMR jab, but this was before I started my research into the problems associated with it. Knowing what I know now, I would not vaccinate my children and run the risk of them getting diabetes, asthma, eczema, becoming more susceptible to meningitis and ending up chronically disabled. Dr. Jayne Donegan, GP, Homeopath Had my mother and father known that the poliovirus vaccines of the 1950s were heavily contaminated with more than 26 monkey viruses, including the cancer virus SV40, I can say with certainty that they would not have allowed their children and themselves to take those vaccines. Both of my parents might not have developed cancers suspected of being vaccine-related, and might even be alive today. Dr. Howard B. Urnovitz, PhD, CEO, CSO and co-founder of Chronix Biomedical Childhood vaccines are giving us a world of chronic illness: autism, developmental disorders, Aspergers Syndrome, brain tumors, leukemia, cancers, information processing disorders, impulsive violence, allergies, asthma, diabetes, Crohns disease, intestinal disorders, are just some of the vaccine associated disorders. Dr. Tedd Koren, DC Your capslock key broken? Vaccines work international scientific consensus VACCINES HAVE NEVER WORKED I am no longer trying to dig up evidence to prove vaccines cause autism. There is already abundant evidence. This debate is not scientific but is political. Dr. David Ayoub, MD There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, theres one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes, until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. Theres just converging evidence from many, many directions. Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, Founder and Former Director of the Autism Research Institute When the link between the use of unsafe, mercury-laden vaccine and autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine will be sporting a huge, self-inflicted and well-deserved black eye. Then will come the billion-dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and their families. Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, founder and former director of the Autism Research Institute The greatest threat to our health today is the medical community, and one of their most dangerous tools is vaccination particularly the horrific procedure of injecting foreign protein into newborn infants! Dr. Daniel H. Duffy, DC The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease. Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD I am just going to keep pointing out to you that you have no scientific evidence to back your claims. REAL DOCTORS ON THE USELESSNESS OF VACCINATION :- We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent contagious illnesses and epidemics. This lie has been perpetuated for 150 years despite the ineffectiveness of vaccines in protecting against illnesses. Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others. Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin Polio Vaccines, being made from monkey kidney tissue, have been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country. Dr. Fred Klenner, MD As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the Hep B vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ETHYL MERCURY in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine. nworder: YOU ALL HAVE MONKEY VIRUSES IN YOUR SYSTEM WHICH WILL GIVE YOU CANCER. Well, I certainly hope so.. cause.. cancer is an excellent way of training your immune system! Much like.. getting the vaccine-preventable nearly usually typically mild childhood diseases! Our immune systems are always at DEFCON 5.. ready and absolutely willing to take on any unnatural invaders! Tetanus.. cancer.. measles.. you name it! Our immune systems can handle it! MAKES SENSE SINCE CANCER IN AMERICA IS THE HIGHEST IN THE WORLD MATCHING ITS VACCINATION RATE SO THESE MONKEY VIRUSES WILL DO THEIR JOB , AL Now, now Pro. You know its not nice to tease the puppy. MERCK (synonymous with consumer death) Manual the autopsy reported mercury poisoning What Kathy Said. Since we already know you conceal facts, how about a link to either of those autopsies? Now you want me to break HIPPA lawsthe autopsy report is not public informationunless the family gives permission to receive the report.now I know you have no known understanding of how the medical world worksthese deaths were not the subject of CDC casesand are for the public viewingget real. Just love the fact that people think it is all on the internet and if its not, its not real. LOL No, we think that anecdotes tossed out by posters of proven mendacity arent real. I call shay shaynus Ummthe mercury compound in vaccines is preferentially NEPHROtoxic so where is my epidemic of renal syndrome? Vinegar will not kill you. Sure it will you just need enough of it. Vinegars still a chemical though. KEEP DRINKING THE ETHYL MERCURY AND BE GONE lol Where is my renal syndrome epidemic? Ill do you one better actually Ill drink the mercury compound that bioaccumulates. Fish Soup. IF YOU WOULD INJECT INTO YOURSELF THE METHYL MERCURY IN FISH THAT WOULD BE GOOD RATHER THAN EAT IT when you know the digestion has counter measures to lower absorption . Nah, Ill just correct the dose for that and eat more. vinegar will not kill you Really? industrial strength vinegar is not a home vinegarthe report on that site is misleading the public to believe she got the bottle of vinegar from the cupboard, industrial strength vinegar is to be used to mix with water and is used in restaurants to clean machines in the food industry.boy are you gullibleand you see how stupid does kill.one death in all the world and this is the argument you want to focus on instead of all the deaths from vaccines.gotta it. Lets ban vinegar, lets ban forks, lets ban bleach, lets ban salt, lets ban water, lets ban it all.people are just to stupid to use anythingagain anything can be used in good or badbut when you have reports of thousand being vaccinated and dying from it.thats okay..lets not ban that These stories are often fake and planted by the troll media eg no one ever discovered the person who was poisoned with the herbal tea years ago but it put everyone off that herbal tea Dear, it doesnt matter what type of vinegar it was, your statement was simply vinegar cant kill you. Would you prefer the story about the boy from Kentucky that died from drinking vinegar? There used to be a persistent myth in the armed forces* that you could fool a pi$$-test if you drank undiluted vinegar after smoking marijuana. I remember one or two young idiots winding up in sick bay because theyd tried it. (This was in the mid-1980s. For all I know the myth is still around). These myths are darn nigh hard to get rid of! NEVER HEARD OF IT AND I KNEW ARMY PEOPLE. ANECDOTAL PISS You knew Army people? Little green plastic ones? IF HE DIED FROM DRINKING VINEGAR WE SHOULD GET HUNDREDS OF ETHYL MERCURY FILLED VACCINES I SEE YOUR LOGIC. WHY ALL THE UPTICKS AL WE KNOW YOUR LITTLE SCAMS TO EARN MORE TROLL MONEY WITH MULTIPLE IDENTITIES AND GET THE MERCURY INTO IF HE DIED FROM DRINKING VINEGAR WE SHOULD GET HUNDREDS OF ETHYL MERCURY FILLED VACCINES I SEE YOUR LOGIC. Do you need some more straw? I do, stupid no till farmers and their newer combines with residue management (straw destroyers). Theres a real straw shortage? Not really, just a bit harder to find locally making it more expensive. It is a legitimate complaint. Although why you want to eat straw, I dont know, seems like youd get pretty constipated. LOL! Let me tell you about how well my GMC did with deer management Saturday before last Ok tell me, If the GMC was damaged I will be sad. Just north of $10k in damage by a doe. Left headlight assembly, left front quarter panel, hood, bumper, air deflector, radiator, trans cooler, intercooler, radiator core support, miscellaneous brackets, labor, etc. Just the headlight assembly from a salvage yard is $250, crazy money. Glad it was me and not the Mrs. in her new Acura or one of the kids. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d88ca07e9fbf38d5d5dd3217baf766788dff26686d27b089b47588c46b5e309d.png Good to see you again, Joe! I hope the next time you see a GMC, We are professional grade ad on TV youll laugh as much as I do! 170 pound (estimated) doe hit at 60 mph did $10,320 damageAnd thats using salvage yard parts to fix it SORRY JOE (AL MATHER) ANOTHER ONE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ff63fed3a7c3d37de7d7dc6c5297ff88d0ca414dd1f13405a3fc5c93a34bbb1.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b8805be8445cc6045cf1bb7ad51e71f6bf529976ce79483e0f4a8d2cd95fb9f.jpg 170 pound (estimated) doe hit at 60 mph did $10,320 damage 1) glad youre OK https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2660f2b3a0581be825de0f14d0575fa5bb88100c2f02a817ad02cfcc8665adca.jpg So, were down to posting actual fiction now? Has s/he ever posted anything else? Good point. AL MATHERS UPTICK SQUAD LOL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5f56ef077895e183aa6f7916d7627da19dfd3ca102225a08e48fdb855c8c1fd8.jpg Allow me to add, Im glad youre OK, too!+ HE WAS VACCINATED AGAINST CAR CRASHES HHEHHEHHHOOO lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a2ab8776e2414651c23b48e1f8a0a68355eb1ff6c9a813b4788fecd40adc194.jpg You need an empathy transplant. SO DO YOU WHEN YOU PROMOTE THIS :- Give up your licence before you hit a school bus. You see him? 6 MONTH OLD KIDS CAN GET THIS WHY WOULD THEY NEED IT YIKES. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2867de941e85bb5563ed36957aa0136305164aeae3cb7a03b643d2708b89bdd7.jpg Amy Tuteur, op.cit. Glad youre alright. A smaller doe demolished my dads wifes much less brawny vehicle at a much lower speed. The bright spot was that her Cavalier convertible sacrificed itself (crumple zones) so that she could walk away. So did the doe (although likely the doe just expired elsewhere). BLA BLA BLA HOW MANY IDENTITIES HAVE YOU GOT AL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a0f1bf6fe0b405271d7da68570d8e7b1d46db86e4c1d2d6462bd0933dbebba1.jpg Zzzzzzzzzz NOT NECESSARY AL Have a buck try to occupy the passenger seat via the windshield? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6d36e89a886b79d1ff617233c1cbe6fabc30f49960bb3ec4d7e4eb2bc157d78f.jpg We warned Joe not to stop for hitchhikers but would he listen? Noooooo. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a3949e9ecdcda0a7bf44dffdcafb2a9bcc3baf6bdab15942715d3f44a1e65d0e.jpg Jonathan Graham, op cit. Driving sober helps Pharmer Yes Im sorry to CONFIRM they are as dumb as they sound. Speaks volumes about our community leaders who parrot the same ignorant ideology. Dont forget bedsheets, 300 people per year die in North America from getting tangled in them. SO THIS BEDSHEET THING MEANS YOU SHOULD GET VACCINATED ? LOL Vinegar is diluted acetic acid (CH3COOH). A chemical, genius. It will most definitely kill you, as will water if consumed in sufficient quantity. WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING INSANE OBVIOUS STATEMENTS LIKE THE ABOVE ? Whereas ethyl mercury in vaccines taken in a very small dose is incredibly toxic . If there are 2 people who were killed by mercury poisoning from vaccines where the toxin supposedly bled out of the brain then I imagine that these cases would have been reported or published in the medical literature, seeing as how that would be an extremely unusual outcome. You are aware there is no thimerosal in either pneumonia vaccine, no? Well then you need to call the Drs who diagnosed 2 of my friends, who died from vaccines, one at the age of 48 and another at the age of 31 from high levels of mercury poisoning, where the one at 31 brain bled out like a liverboth within two weeks of receiving two different types of vaccinesI believe the one report was unfortunant batch of vaccine was contributed to their deaths having extremely high levels of mercuryboth went to the same Dr. and received different vaccine shots one for pnuemonia and the younger one for flu..both death certificates state cause of death, toxic reaction to mercury poisoning So while everyone and their brother post about all this and that, about water being toxic or vinegarshow me other than drowning, where water killed someone from toxicity, or vinegar.Ohh the one at 48 years old, showed autism within 3 days of receiving the pneumonia shot before dying Vaccines cannot cause mercury poisoning. Thimerosal never could have done that. Feel free to post the links to their USCFC claim opinions. VACCINES CONTAIN ETHYL MERCURY WHICH CONVERTS TO METHYL MERCURY BOTH ARE DEADLY TOXINS WHICH CAN KILL IN MINUTE DOSES. Ive read about thimerosal sinking to the bottom of a bottle and the bottle not being shaken results in much of it being in the last few shots withdrawn. have not heard that one but if you go onto cdc, some viles have been recalledalthough they dont specify why. These people seem so superior in thinking they knowyet they only do the research to argueand then attack the person who knows someone who actually died from the shots..and the family suffers in going through legal channels to get compensated for the injurysort of calling the rape victim the perpetrator of the crimesadvery sad to see so many not doing their homework, this is why we have infant deaths and autism up 1 out of 88 children.staggering numbers. But hey call the messenger a liar and thats how they address the problem. Yep. And vaccination is rape of the immune system. Authorities must know all the issues if they are EXPERTS, but they are fine with the experimentation and the negative outcomes. And who is the Kathy who can made blanket statements about vaccines? Is she a vaccine researcher? Or just a big mouth spewing bull? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48217e8fbe71c46018fa817528211eaab9399f647efd3d74d74f4db159f9550a.jpg At reasonable exposure levels: Ethyl Alcohol = blind drunk, dead drunk. Methyl Alcohol = blind, dead. Kind of an important distinction. SO WHEN ETHYL MERCURY FROM VACCINATION TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY IN THE BODY WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROBLEM IE INSTEAD OF AUTISM YOU GET SEVERE AUTISM First off, you will need to cite that ethyl mercury turns into methyl mercury in the body. Secondif that was the case then there should be a higher proportion of more severely-affected autism cases. But the problem is that if you read Baxter et al, the epidemic is largely made up of higher-functioning people being diagnosed. I POSTED THAT STUDY TWICE OR THREE TIMES as you know . No, I dont know. If you provided a direct link, its in pending. If you provided what someone said, not a study. If you said what someone said the study said, not a study. Thats why I suggested PMID numbers. Six will get you ten nworder doesnt come up with one. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd10671c0c6ade95bf9736b5cf255efe87c9dd10138cb6814ec476a98e3b140d.jpg Because they think that someones health should depend on their wealth. Next question? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e9b8c7ac84e79de71d44afe9e6924def8ffab0e63bc2e3d4970f1708b4a3655.jpg Far better sources than I have already explained to you in detail that this is not the case. Anyone analyzing the vaccine safety studies done by They do studies that use as placebo controls people injected The studies that are quoted endlessly by these elite members This falsified research is protected by academia, the media, Blaylock has retired from neurosurgery and has taken up a career opposing science-based medicine and promoting pseudoscience-based medicine and supplements that he sells under the label Brain Repair Formula. He suggests that his supplements can treat and prevent such diseases as Alzheimers and Parkinsons. He asserts that his formula will maximize your brains ability to heal and reduce inflammation. The rest of the scientific community seems oblivious to these claims, which are not based on large-scale clinical trials. Oh, the irony.. and.. Blaylock also sells hope to cancer patients by encouraging them to believe he has found the secret to prevention and cure. Whats that common refrain from anti-vaxxers? Follow the money. (Source: The Skeptics Dictionary ) You sure do know how to pickem, Ronald. Rons also a big fan of snake-oil peddler supreme Joe Mercola. Opposing science based medicine is a good thing. Todays medical science is a fraud perpetuated by the MEDICAL MAFIA. The scientific community is as corrupt as the drug industry and they will denigrate anything they cant patent. But you know this because youre part of the corruption. Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers dont mind and cheerfully accept it any way. Amy Tuteur. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9fc8f2536379a814c7c0c7f285291214ec3874bf2ab71a03fcf03b8c78489023.gif 1944 =/= present of 2016. Why should I care what George Bernard Shaw says? DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT ANYONE CARES WHAT YOU SAY even your mother . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ccfbf9523fdb422d49161e6e3691699fff1883dad5128e041343f9d7245663f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef33affbc3906aafe7283f36657f3300c2a421f91c724f9f09fad74517c6d168.jpg I would consider the risks associated with measles vaccination appeal to authority. Not a sensible risk/benefit analysis, either. What about *incidence*? We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us Nope. Read the evidence. Try again. Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between What about incidence? As for scarlet feverincidence dropped, sure. Scarlet fever is a complication of untreated toxin a+ strep throat. Treat the strep throat with antibiotics and no more scarlet fever. Because death rate is going to be far more noisy than incidence rate. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6519189bfb8686b4c22f8e44a98d307993f431163b9178cc6c8800fdde076e3e.jpg 5x a day. Not how vaccines work. But again, renal damage. But again, renal damage. Yeah I wonder why Neurotoxicity and renotoxicity were compared in rats given by gastric gavage five daily doses of 8.0 mg Hg/kg methyl- or ethylmercuric chloride or 9.6 mg Hg/kg ethylmercuric chloride PMID: 4091651 WHALE / VACCINE folks go see what good, caring, honest doctors have to say about vaccines. . Doctors (where its certainly debatable if they are very caring at all) but are certainly unhampered from providing proper references and statistically strong arguments. MORE LIKE 10 PLUS A DAY FOR VACCINES Nope. Not 10x a day.babies arent jabbed every day. Really then the local pediatricians have it all wrong because they JAB babies everyday. *Sigh* No, Ron Roy. The point is that lets say Annie has twins. Even the staunchest provaxxer does not take their doctor to a vaccine appointment every day. Babies arent jabbed every day =/= No-one jabs babies as their job every day. The point is that *individual* babies do not receive anything close to an average of ten vaccines on a daily basis. They dont jab the same babies, though. Even for you, Ron, this is mind-bogglingly dumb. If you have to lie to support your opinion, then perhaps you should change your opinion. NINE VACCINES AND THEN DEATH This means that these tiny vulnerable babies received a staggering nine vaccines in one day, vaccines that may have caused one of them to die. A week after her vaccinations Stacy became unwell with a fever of 39.9 degrees C. Her parents decided to administer Perdolan to lower her fever. As their daughter was still very poorly they called the hospital who advised them to bring their daughter in. The medical staff diagnosed Stacy with a slight chest infection and infection in her blood and told her parents not to worry as this was not serious. Stacy was then given medication and put on a drip feed and kept in for observation. *Think* If nine vaccinations are enough to kill babies then why did only *one* die? THE REST WILL BE DAMAGED AND MAY DIE PREMATURELY LATER. Sure? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg Child mortality halved because of better diets and hygiene NOT VACCINES. Doesnt matter. I wasnt claiming they did anything to prevent mortality. The point was that that is not what you would see if vaccines cause SIDs even if SIDs was renamed youd just have a same/higher infant mortality rate with lower SIDs. Its now been a week since my kids got the flu vaccine. Theyre still as bright as ever. So how long before I start seeing symptoms? YOU ARE A FAKE TROLL WITH A FAKE ANECDOTE AND A FAKE FAMILY- OK AL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c2af00c3a0e4b31330e199158ad588450a23d4437ba375874e05a4a74adc2b3a.jpg So wait. Why is my family fake? Do you not believe that I have a family? That I wouldnt vaccinate them? WHATS YOUR QUALIFICATION ? NOTHING ? YOU ARE A TROLL A NONENTITY WHO SPENDS HIS LIFE LYING FOR A DOLLARS ANYONE CAN SEE YOUR LIES AND DECEPTION . IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY YOU WILL NOT VACCINATE THEM SINCE AFTER BEING A TROLL FOR A WHILE THE EVIDENCE THAT VACCINES KILL AND POISON AND ALSO DONT WORK WOULD SINK IN EVEN THE BRAIN OF A TROLL . The medical authorities keep lying. Vaccination has been a disaster on the immune system. It actually causes a lot of illnesses. We are changing our genetic code through vaccination. Guylaine Lanctot M.D. Canadian author of the best-seller Medical Mafia My qualification to claim that I have a family? I didnt realize you need one. IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY YOU WILL NOT VACCINATE THEM SINCE AFTER BEING A TROLL FOR A WHILE THE EVIDENCE THAT VACCINES KILL AND POISON AND ALSO DONT WORK WOULD SINK IN EVEN THE BRAIN OF A TROLL . I vaccinate my family. Ergo you cant, by your own logic call me a troll. Most things Ive stated are easily verifiable which you know because you cant contradict them or are the result of my moderate abilities at statistics. SO TELL US YOUR QUALIFICATION THEN ? YOU ARE GIVING US AN ANECDOTE AS A TROLL ARE YOU SERIOUS THAT YOU THINK I WOULD BELIEVE IT THE THINGS YOU SAY ARE TROLLESE FOR BIG PHARMA AND THAT MERCURY IS HARMLESS IN ALL ITS FORMS . MERCURY DOWN ALUMINIUM UP = STILL EQUALS AUTISM https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff93e30744c104d70a1c70875294a897879dee0a59b07b57e135a24309f3b541.jpg O TELL US YOUR QUALIFICATION THEN ? My qualification as a parent? Is there a certificate or something you get in whatever police state you grew up in? Here people have kids. You dont need a licence. Stephanies problem is that a) Aluminum didnt replace thiomersal. b) Even if that was the case, changing one variable in one direction by A and another variable in the other direction by B. Anyone whos done any analysis should be skeptical of her claim. Why? Because it would take a rather large coincidence that dose and toxicity just happened to balance each other out. WHAT IS YOUR QUALIFICATION TO SPOUT PRO VAX NONSENSE ON THIS SITE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba29651bfb34d9a07799f4199aec075ac71959c38e55bc5fc0e48bcbf2b272c3.jpg WHAT IS YOUR QUALIFICATION TO SPOUT PRO VAX NONSENSE ON THIS SITE There are only a few things I talk about. Rather obvious facts that can be found easily in reference material and statistical knowledge which comes from my rather modest education in the subject. IF WERE NOT UNEMPLOYABLE WHY WOULD YOU BE DOING THE JOB OF A TROLL . I am employable by virtue of being employed and Im not a troll. Sorry. ALUMINIUM IS THE REPLACEMENT FOR MERCURY Thiomersal was used as a preservative. Aluminum is an adjuvant. So no, one didnt replace the other. Blaming peanut allergies on vaccines is particularly amusing. You could never find a vaccine or vaccine ingredient which could match the growth curve. Conclusion: Its not vaccines. Math. Learn some. SEMANTICS ALUMINIUM CAN ACT AS A PRESERVATIVE AND ADJUVANT AS DOES MERCURY THE ADJUVANT BEING THE CHEMICAL THAT PRODUCES THE IMMUNE REACTION EXCEPT IT IS WORTHLESS FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF IMMUNITY TO THE DISEASES BEING VACCINATED FOR MATH ? WHATS THE MATH BIT YOU DO ARITHMETIC NO BETTER THAN A PRIMARY SCHOOL . SEMANTICS Its not a question of the capabilities its the fact that they were being used for different things. So nothing was replaced. THE ADJUVANT BEING THE CHEMICAL THAT PRODUCES THE IMMUNE REACTION No, it makes a stronger immune response. The antigen produces an immune response all on its own. MATH ? WHATS THE MATH BIT I explained it.YOU DO ARITHMETICWell a) Arithmetic is actually a tiny portion of what math is and b) I do it just fine. SO WHAT DID REPLACE THE MERCURY ? YOU SAID IT WAS NO LONGER USED OR WAS LOWERED ??? If by mercury you mean thiomersal. Then it depends, trace amounts are still found in vaccines that use it during manufacture. So one of the vaccines that had 25mcg of thiomersal Fluvarin used it primarily as a preservative during manufacture. So all they did was add a step at the end to remove it. While I cant be certain I wouldnt be surprised if they had to modify the expiry dates. So nothing replaced it. It was simply removed. NOT ANSWERING QUESTION TRUTHFULLY IF IT WAS AS NECESSARY AS THEY FOUGHT FOR IT TO REMAIN HOW COULD YOU REMOVE IT. ITS EITHER NOT BEEN REMOVED SO WHAT HAVE THEY REPLACED THE MERCURY WITH ???? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/db6c1c01290b04db2019a2a82739d413afaccc6c88b34693178afba2160b3189.jpg NOT ANSWERING QUESTION TRUTHFULLY IF IT WAS AS NECESSARY AS THEY FOUGHT FOR IT TO REMAIN HOW COULD YOU REMOVE IT. By adding a production step. Again the only dishonest person here is you. If you read the Recombivax HB insert prior to the removal of thiomersal you will see Formulations that contain a preservative include thimerosal, a mercury derivative, at 1:20,000 or 50 mcg/mL. All formulations contain approximately 0.5 mg of aluminum (provided as amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, previously referred to as aluminum hydroxide) per mL of vaccine. Clearly aluminum has always been there because it served a different function. YOU ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION I WILL REPHRASE IT IF ALUMINIUM DID NOT REPLACE THE PRESERVATIVE THIMEROSAL THEN WHAT DID ????????? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/de9ef503f05077ada4a4d290436a295ad30ca47f32ede069680f7538939f6c1a.jpg YOU ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION No Im answering it pretty directly. Apparently you have comprehension problems. IF ALUMINIUM DID NOT REPLACE THE PRESERVATIVE THIMEROSAL THEN WHAT DID ????????? In the case of Fluvirin. Nothing. There was no need to. Think for once in your life. Most flu vaccines have single dose versions which have never had thiomersal. Now if thiomersal was vital for the vaccine to work then we wouldnt have the thiomersal free single dose vials. Thiomersal was primarily used in the manufacturing process. So they added a step to remove it. Unless you are suffering from extreme head trauma this should be clear. ALUMINIUM IS THE REPLACEMENT FOR MERCURY Another idiot who doesnt know the difference between an adjuvant and a preservative. Yeah, one is for giving you autism, the other is to secretly sterilize you! No, the sterilization is in the tetanus shot. Focus, Ken! Im going to tell the Illuminati to stop sending you your shill checks. Aww, shucks! THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e9766d55ea15b7e2ba807c6aab0ff47fdd1980bde764d87fd8148760967d7c5.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5256580a27748137fbde17a8d4a048cb10cb02b4327e8fea69446780d77beec1.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f60870571a23049b2fd2c23790ffce26646a2c97afef3a89fd4832c2af77391.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ec4c358a71ee90b6e2286e4092c3ac241a04c37bbb707ca8c5b793d79e233774.jpg WHAT A POOR WEE GIRL WHAT A TRAGEDY https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/678a3665b5a93767e3b7a5c21cd5fd0820d42bb3712e53538a56e69fd70dd0dc.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4eaf77d83bde7d4d88cd3eae0f9c94e7f9131643d8ff76826f67e22ded387e2c.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/db43368f0a8b333902b8fccdd48e75c4d9d1c9b7890a1d143d9a57ee740a3ac2.jpg Again the only dishonest person here is you. Jonathan Graham. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51dbc47605b9d08cdb87363969eb1bf812a002f215d3fae0ee5890a4c09e2348.jpg Jonathan Graham, op. cit. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/98cbb7b35711459850bc87deede4b06e1cb59e54ed622d5738cdadb369c9e699.jpg AMAZING INCREASE IN TOXICITY WHEN YOU GET ALUMINIUM AND MERCURY TOGETHER https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3140d4f61296145849349b850043dbf43645156889b5cf54a0aeee508472df03.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d1ace7cef39eb32a7b3ac81267ce9969b0fcd6f6ae27af3adb5dfa6cec01cf31.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8a1dffdaad6bd21ce1c9360bf254f014c94db14974513505b6e6d1da29ae10f1.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c1d3cbcdb926d19ff238c0b43150fe7a485bb4018aa6c4b4a2141e106310b48d.gif Whether its supposed purpose was as an adjuvant or a preservative is inconsequential because the real reason for those ingredients is to create more patients for the MEDICAL MAFIA. I marvel at Jonathans patience he has tried so hard to teach you some rudiments of chemistry. Oh well, perhaps some day I marvel at Rons patience having to deal with someone who fakes that he is a chemist and there are laws against it. IT IS VACCINATION THATS WHY https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95cc6873215f1bc69b2cad422c8f370c9aa21896aeb88d20b83e83db6f30d262.jpg Jonathan, heres another one of your failures. And you and Mike have tried so hard to explain how vaccines work to her/him! You should marvel at Lowell, AutismDadd and myself ( excuse my patting myself on the back ) for our patience in trying to instill a conscience in Johnny and yourself You should marvel at Lowell, AutismDadd and myself ( excuse my patting myself on the back ) for our patience in trying to instill a conscience in Johnny and yourself steadfast refusal to abandon our looneytunes conspiracy theories. FTFY. You should marvel at Lowell, AutismDadd and myself ( excuse my patting myself on the back ) for our persistence in fighting those who steadfastly refuse to abandon their looneytunes conspiracy theories about how safe vaccine are. FTFY Except that ours is not a conspiracy theory for example, we are not convinced that an anti-semitic pig farmer who believes in sentient dolphins holds the key to the truth about vaccines. DUH ? I did not know you were an anti semitic pig farmer with a sideline in Dolphins https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a445f1a6ff888861cfd4e316797f245a19d822447bebe8877b18395c5fd401bb.jpg Op cit. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5788f426eafaed2f88e2d243691db51dfb43d8e26f275f4b0e7e0f09e602f787.jpg Op cit. I dont care if he believes Mickey Mouse is a real live charterer. I believe the papers / articles, opinions based on personal observations, research, studies of honest caring doctors ( there are some ) scientists, researchers, medical historians that are POSTED on WHALE VACCINE. Thats WHALE / VACCINE folks go see for yourself. Actually shay people like your self are responsible for more people going to WHALE than I. The more you denigrate it the more curious people become so their natural curiosity prompts them to go to WHALE. Youre to WHALE what Obama was to guns. Keep it up I love it. I agree once anyone with half a brain read what the pharma shysters like jonathan , shay and the rest have posted they will run a mile from vaccination as you would from a bent car salesman only after his commission I certainly hope people go to WHALE everybody needs a good laugh. *Land Owning Pig Farmer I dont want to deal with the scudinanity that is John. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ea97529bbbf725bceef71fde04dbb2b3e76aa474373183b4156bf79d693e923.jpg Op cit. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4b162d790d6297a0f0517ed7d8537d6eefce91b9919fa9421f00e2158ee01fed.jpg Op cit. Johnny if you did have a family they would hide in shame at having a devils disciple as a father, See, thats what I mean about how entertaining you are. *pats ron on the head* Keep it up. Johnny youd have to get off your chair to do that and I believe that would require a super human effort. See what I mean? And you dont think theres any chance that I do this purely for entertainment. You clearly put effort into being silly. Lets see Johnnys idea of entertainment hemmmm. Oh yes pushing health destroying vaccines on innocent babies. Fun you bet hey Johnny? Lets watch those babies squirm and cry out as their little brains swell up not to mention the lifelong disabilities theyll suffer from. That where the real fun begins hey Johnny? Its about how much entertainment you and your lot brings. For example ridiculously over-the-top posts like the one you just made. *pats Rons head* WHAT RIGHT HAVE YOU TO TELL MOTHERS AND CHILDREN TO GET VACCINATED FOR THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER WHEN YOU KNOW THEY DONT WORK AND CAUSE DAMAGE . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e4ee64358f45bcc0c11c5883d8cf770f043693b2c6cba1fe2a6078ac43f33214.jpg Well a) Im hardly telling anyone to get vaccinated. Im simply pointing out that most of the arguments against vaccination here are wrong, ignorant or misunderstood. b) I have yet to see any statistically strong evidence against the safety or effectiveness of the in-schedule vaccines. So I have no reason to believe that they dont work or are unsafe. c) I dont get paid to post here. Anyone who thinks about it should be able to see how ridiculous the concept is. YOU ARE PAID TO CONVINCE PARENTS TO GET THEIR KIDS VACCINATED LOOKS LIKE POLIO ESPECIALLY IF IT HAD BEEN BEFORE VACCINATION STARTED https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e2e114f4a88e892c8a1f22ed640e9790ed00083dcb7195b282efdd47b2f25188.jpg YOU ARE PAID TO CONVINCE PARENTS TO GET THEIR KIDS VACCINATED Nope. Im paid to do IT Security work again if you doubt me you could always ask me questions. Nobody ever does, so that leads me to believe that you know thats what I do. After all it should be trivial to trap the professional shill whos not going to have more than a surface knowledge about something. In other words none of you really believe I get paid to post. Its just another puerile insult. Nobody ever does, so that leads me to believe that you know thats what I do I think it has more to do with the fact that nworder, Ron, Lowell, sabel, Judith et all have sources for their antivaxx talking points that they copy/paste and trot out regularly to try to prove that they know what they are talking about in re vaccines. Theyre afraid to challenge you on IT matters because there are no scripts for them to use. WHICH IS SAFER WILD VIRUS OR A LAB VIRUS MADE FROM WILD VIRUS IS a virus alive or dead or just sleeping lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2396bff4c168ea3a7f08d42a0bdc67e329f5c4826495e7d27126ebe9360af74b.jpg Im so sorry, Jonathannworder digs her/himself in deeper with each post. This one from nworder seems particularly flag-worthy. Done. (Not that the mods at a conspiracy-themed site would be expected to care.) Are you Al MATHER posing as a female again thats one of his disguises https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/325f02c9c3f9f51b9e249689972457ad40c7d6082a2460b6738d590d32921095.jpg HOW DO YOU EXAMINE BILLIONS OF VIRUS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ALL ATTENUATED . IT MUST TAKE AGES LOL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/877366d79580d9b3a65c9910b86b21ef09afcb836f8f1465afb1676fecb13596.jpg Op cit. YOU will have a troll profile very similar to AL MATHERS so you have to guard it. Since vaccination is an occult practice dating from Jenner who was unqualified and it led to hundreds of millions of deaths then it should be easy to refute this ridiculous practice of puncturing the skin (our main immune defense) and injecting the very disease we are trying to avoid with added toxic substances. Even trying to conjure up a rationale for doing this should be impossible . In the past if some of these diseases killed or maimed then it is easy to see that these same diseases would kill or maim by vaccination as well so no advantage is gained at all . It took brave doctors like Hadwen and Creighton and people like of Lily Loat to fight the mad SATANIC superstition of puncturing the skin and injecting disease by way of PUS . The whole thing rests on the mysterious attenuation of the virus or bacteria which as you know is a load of nonsense . No one would tell lies on vaccination for free so you have been bought Im not telling lies, ergo you are incorrect. No one would tell lies on vaccination for free so you have been bought Meanwhile, given the number of porkpies nworder has served up, using his logic that would indicate that he is being paid. No? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b328783442d93c0b042bde7313e95b613819999273b52736984fc5f2155c7cc6.jpg Oh, good, now we have a meme making up statements from Diane Harper. Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers dont mind and cheerfully accept it any way. Amy Tuteur I AM ANTI VAX AND I RUN AROUND FULL OF HEALTH AND ENERGY lol THE CRAZINESS OF THE FLU VACCINE :- There are three main types of flu virus, and each type can mutate, or change, from year to year. Thus, there are literally thousands of possible strains. (Each strain is thoroughly analyzed and given a proper name, often a title associated with the place where it was initially discovered.) Flu experts often guess wrong. For example, in 1994 they predicted that Shangdong, Texas, and Panama strains would be prevalent that year, thus millions of people were vaccinated with a flu shot that contained these viruses. However, when winter arrived, the Johannesburg and Beijing strains of influenza circulated through society. The vaccine was ineffective. This happened again in 1996, and again in 1997. More recently, the vaccine created for the 2003-2004 flu season contained flu strains that did not circulate through society that year. Officials were once again forced to admit that millions of people were vaccinated with an ineffective vaccine. Yet, flu fatalities did not increase during these years. For example, in 1996, 857 people died from the flu; in 1997, 745 people died from the flu typical annual numbers. I AM ANTI VAX AND I RUN AROUND FULL OF HEALTH AND ENERGY LUNATIC CONSPIRACY THEORIES FTFY. Edited: Ah yes; Neil Miller, who gets his information from aliens. Encyclopedia of American Loons, #950: Neil Z. Miller Gary S. Goldman. SHAY the jobless loon gets his information from little troll booklets and gets a few $ when he kisses the drug executive $1000 cowboy boots . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b853b512d8f7cd60b9d861840646d259fb3800c836dc0a6996d0630d59d9b61e.jpg Op cit. The thought has crossed my mind. IT Trolling work more like it Again, I do IT security. If you doubt, feel free to quiz me. It would be hard to be as good at this field as I am if it was just a cover. So again, I think its obvious that you know that Im likely to be exactly what I say I am. For a start, if its so obvious that youre being paid then nworder should be able to identify a specific vaccine manufacturer that youre shilling for. Yes, the meme refers to facebook but the general point stands. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a3e8afd68626452fefc9635c49cdcadd42d49fea0421cfa88279c0d9bed161c.jpg He works for all of them, Dumb Dumb! /s! YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT ONE DAY I hope parents of dead and damaged vaccinated children come after you big time The hacking group Anonymous has released a list of people and Facebook groups who have all been bought and paid for by Big Pharma after it reportedly hacked into their database. Topping the list are the usual suspects such as Dorit Reiss, Richard Pan, Paul Offit, all members of The Skeptics Guide to the Universe and The Spudd. Below are some of the highlights from the list of names and Facebook groups that Anonymous has released so far: Individuals: Kevin Folta Neil deGrasse Tyson Kavin Senapathy Facebook Groups: The Skeptics Guide to the Universe The Spudd Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes SciBabe The SkepDick We Love GMOs and Vaccines Anonymous has threatened to release more names throughout the week. Im confused, nworder? You have already made the claim so I naturally assumed that youd already found it out. As for your list of paid pharma shills, that is a)more claims and b)its from the science post. The Science Post: Health, Science, Satire. Now what does that word after science mean? Im sort of too lazy to try to figure what the heck you are on about zzzzzzzzzzz Define the word satire. As for the other comment.youre surely not telling me that you made the claim *before* you could back it up? Getting bored with YOUR BS BACK ON TO POSTING THE HORRORS OF VACCINES https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a5e5bb2c72f1790d6416f3638746c0e7c4ce4ac705fb09b4f066689cc40c6b9.jpg WHAT A HOLCAUST ON INFANTS IT WAS HEP B In an explosive story obtained exclusively by The Science Post, several prominent anti-vaccers were discovered to be on the payroll of Big Pharma. Similar to a story broke by Anonymous two months ago, the list has far reaching implications. As we know, un-vaccinated children make a lot more money for Big Pharma in the long run so it is not unreasonable to assume they have a stake in the anti-vaccine movement. The more people who forgo immunizations, the more people will eventually need Big Pharmas drugs to save their lives. Speaking on the agreement of anonymity, our source said Big Pharma has a very long and rich history in the anti-vaccine movement. From Meryl Dorey in Australia to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny in America, they have plants all over the world. It is unclear at this point how much or how often the anti-vaccine undercover agents are paid, but one can assume it is in the 6 or 7 figures. They (Big Pharma) has collectively spent over $3 billion in the last 5 years alone on getting people to not vaccinated said the source. More of the anti-vaccine cult members on the Big Pharma payroll are listed below: Meryl Dorey Sherri Tenpenny William Billy DeMoss Anne Dachel John Stone Jake Crosby Ginger Taylor More to come Not worth a reply you are a bore trying to be funny . SMALLPOX OR COWPOX WHATEVER DESTROYS ARM THE VACCINE ( LIVE ) Its a story from the exact same source your list of supposed shills came from. Its a story from the exact same source your list of supposed shills came from. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a6d1dba8789d3ec4d8b058aa0aa09031fa9c0c1cd3bc433a4f8d52264c00c0f2.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ea69678013bbb3536101b35584536fc1487e2b8f54f155c04288b6957c036af.jpg I take it you wont be retracting your fake list any time soon. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/35bde99afe0aa32cf934a799159052da4c35feab614f90c78f117dd3544881d9.jpg (My son 9 days after his MMR vaccine and just hours before he began turning blue and purple from internal bleeding and was rushed back to Emergency. We had been sent home https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e2220f24d1ba5c43d03f183d18a10bb81d16e20e5cfa5d01161f2d7028dd880.jpg Thats a no, then. Its cute how when youre shown to be presenting false information, your reaction is to completely ignore it and continue presenting more false information. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/646f404e8ffa6276aa3eef8fab64e34604485fea2e8e40f1b8279d60d9174910.jpg WHATs a no then ??- what is the false information ??? The no is that you will not be retracting your comment claiming to identify shills based on an article from a parody news site. The false information is your post suggesting that Anonymous actually released a list of shills. Duh ? Do you believe that both stories are true, that both stories are made-up, or something else? You seemed to be presenting a Science Post gag article as true, so Im curious. Are you still on about the trolls Pan got the bribes oops donations to get California https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1dc11c3b6718c3b49c575d68e8d1d5ca95f00ab5dec71dd793923c4bbaed0c85.jpg Gorskis paid off? No, I havent read about that. Its kind of interesting that your goal is to be an upended lawn sprinkler of false propaganda, like your support for violent child abusers. Who do you think is most eager to have shaken babies chalked up as vaccine injuries? YOU ARE A VERY LOWLIFE SHILL A TOTAL CREEP JAPANESE GARDASIL VICTIMS PLANNING TO SUE FOR DEATH AND DAMAGE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eedd5e33f0957a987a4d6f821b3238ad61e0c786373bc7f1e045d934ce49fd6d.jpg Tell me about Gorski. You know, the topic I asked about before you surrendered and retreated to telling other lies. Have you seen the sceptio article on this though? Oh, and https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ecf9c79f718d1cb2b3db38ff4a463b5f1802a07c0b808895ad7c3758b9911a6.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d3a0295f843818db51899f333965fca82206347fed37fdb9d6e6c1f77ffe458.jpg independent scientists conducted some research to measure the distance between being perceived as an internet moron.. and not. Heres what they found: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b67b5b2277bfec1ec5d21f5a5530e41815c973ad5574ea2e331394778a0cbfd1.jpg ROFL!! You SHOULD be COvered in cowPOX ANd LEFT tO sOAK FOR 24 hours EDUCATE YOURSELF :- 1. A 3 month old calf was tied down on its side. Very scientific. This formula was used for decades, even up to modern times, continuing with Dryvax in 1944. [34] The new smallpox vaccines are still made from this purified calf lymph but with one modern twist: the post 9/11 vaccine is now cultured on the cells of an aborted human fetus. [35]. The majority of historical references found in mainstream sources have loudly proclaimed the safety and effectiveness of the smallpox vaccine. This erroneous general perception continues today. From a current MSN Encarta document: Did The Original Vaccine Work? Prussian Roulette It happened that Prussia passed a mandatory vaccination law in 1834 for smallpox. The law provided that every infant be vaccinated, and then revaccinated when starting school. After graduation, the child had to be vaccinated again, and then once more upon entering the Army! And all healthy males had to go into the Army. Anyone who refused the vaccination was to be held down and vaccinated by force; and so thoroughly was it done that he was vaccinated in ten places on each arm. [14] OK, so we get the idea that almost 100% of Prussians got Jenners smallpox vaccine. So what happened in Prussia 35 years after this vaccination law? A smallpox epidemic which killed 124,978 of her vaccinated and re-vaccinated citizens after thirty-five years of compulsory vaccination! [14] Yeah, what would be the point of just generally promoting vaccines. If a pharmaceutical company was concerned about people not getting vaccinated because of Ron Roy style head trauma. They would start marketing to those groups. I mean if they wanted Im sure someone could develop aluminum-free vaccines. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/04d6ec6eacdecdc7ded24db6382d2a2565e0c182392414086caa600c51d1cd55.jpg And picture Johnny getting up after he pats Rons head. No offense Ron but I find it more than a little creepy when you admit to fantasizing about me. I COULD NOT THINK OF ANYONE FANTASISING ABOUT YOU AL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/add7c1e1620216d5ea0cfa6b1de1214757916c2a8f9ad172a328c030be86e174.jpg Other than Rons weirdo fixation the only other person is my wife. THE weirdo fixation was conjured up in your own mind its a common troll tactic. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d455be24c84c7e31f8bb8ede28989cbf85f2246dd654bb3ff99dcf99e123b511.jpg Ron has mentioned quite a few times of imagining me in various ways. So its hardly an invention of mine. Speaking of weirdos Johnny. Have you looked in a mirror lately? Perhaps you need to talk to someone about your fixation on me? You mean the way you fantasize patting me on the head? The only person who has several times talked about imagining me here is you. I dont imagine patting you on the head its just a pseudo-gesture to indicate that I find your antics childlike. Be happy he cant grab your assters. I believe youre the one fantasizing Johnny. Does your wrist go limp after you fantasize patting me on the head? Youre the one thats a little creepy! The results of a brain damaged by vaccines I suspect. Ron youre the one who keeps saying different ways you imagine me. Want me to pull all your posts where you say that kind of stuff? Does your wrist go limp What does that even mean? No I want you to pull up your posts where YOU say that kind of stuff. I dont. If Im incorrect feel free to demonstrate. Project much, Ron? Ron? Only two or three centimeters without a sildenafil assist Wonder if he works in a massage parlor? Explains all the time he wastes here and the long coffee breaks. Vaccinating fictitious children is very brave of you. I dont do the actual vaccination but my kids are vaccinated to our provincial schedule. Why would you doubt that? or doubt that I have children? Just hoping you havent reproduced. But alas Yawn. more abuse. SMALLPOX VAX CAN BE USED FOR LOTS OF DESTRUCTION [A] 1972 report (Bulletin #47) issued by the World Health Organization . referred to an immune virus requested which would selectively destroy the Human T Cell System, to be distributed in conjunction with a Nationwide vaccination program to observe the results. This coincided precisely with the extensive Small Pox vaccination program in central Africa shortly preceding the outbreak of Aids in Africa, America elsewhere. The determining factor most common in Aids victims is the breakdown of the T Cell System in the body. Another coincidence. Any chance you can phrase your copypasta into an actual argument? NEW STUDY CONFIRMS MERCURY AUTISM LINK (NaturalNews) You wont find this research conducted anywhere in the United States or Europe. Nearly all scientists who attempt to explore the real science linking mercury exposure to autism quickly find themselves discredited, de-funded and blackballed from science journals. Thats because status quo vaccine science isnt science at all: Its just dogma pretending to be science. The real research on mercury, vaccines and autism is being pursued outside the US and UK, where powerful pharmaceutical corporations cant exercise totalitarian scientific censorship against dissenting views. Now, new research has emerged from top Egyptian universities that documents yet more evidence of a relationship between mercury exposure and autism. Published in the journal Metabolic Brain Disease, the new research is entitled Altered urinary porphyrins and mercury exposure as biomarkers for autism severity in Egyptian children with autism spectrum disorder. The study found that children with high biomarkers for mercury and lead were strongly correlated with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). As the studys abstract reports: Urinary porphyrins were evaluated within the three groups using high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC), after plasma evaluation of mercury (Hg) and lead (Pb) in the same groups. Results showed that children with ASD had significantly higher levels of Hg, Pb, and the porphyrins pentacarboxyporphyrin, coproporphyrin, precoproporphyrin, uroporphyrins, and hexacarboxyporphyrin compared to healthy controls and healthy siblings of the ASD children. Strong relationship between mercury and autism The researchers found a strong relationship between mercury toxicity and the presence of autism and a direct correlation between levels of mercury toxicity and the severity of autism symptoms, writes Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in an EcoWatch article covering the same study. He goes on to explain how this new study is not an outlier but rather further confirmation of the strong link between mercury exposure and autism: At least six American studies have linked autism presence or severity to mercury exposure as determined by measuring urinary porphyrins. Autism severity has also been correlated to levels of specific porphyrins associated with mercury toxicity. This study was further elucidated by Geier et al. (2009, J Neurol Sci 15:280) where children with severe autism showed significantly higher urinary porphyrins associated with mercury toxicity as compared to those children with mild autism and non-autistic controls. Ill just point out that this appears to look at urinary biomarkers. Dont you see a problem with that and the idea that vaccines cause autism? NO ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b935d3eb933bd395a8e788b08d42b36f9bf5fb1b9cb46e345131f3d42bf3071d.jpg Really? Dont you think that urinary markers are going to be indicative of chronic exposure? GETTING 70 VACCINES AT 18 IS CHRONIC EXPOSURE lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bac367dfee8e5fd2a6c41f7a5ff43b12fd0a131afd8df47cac6485d4a7cc4be3.jpg Nope. Chronic exposure means exposure from a constant background source. Otherwise you wouldnt actually see a urinary marker. You understand that the fact something shows up in urine means the person is capable of getting rid of it. You also should understand that 25 mcg would be all but undetectable. So only someone pretty uneducated could make the conclusion that this study has anything to do with vaccines. AS AN MEDICALLY UNQUALIFIED TROLL WHO WAS UNEMPLOYABLE YOU HAVE NO ABILITY TO CRITICISE ANY STUDY OR SCIENTIFIC PAPER https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e3db11116f8dde6b0ac09e6cf3e06a2686fb9a6a77fec76bedabe58a826599f.jpg Im not criticizing it. Im telling you what it says. They recorded an excretion rate of 32.9 16.4 mcg/L. Which means that EVERY DAY they are excreting over twice the amount of mercury that could be extracted from the thiomersal in vaccines. It is virtually impossible for what that study is observing to have come from vaccines. So again this is a background dose from somewhere else. Abuse? Im thinking of the gene pool. More abuse. The future of the human race is at stake for Gods sake. Well its interesting that you enjoy abusing people. How is it interesting? Interesting implies a positive spin. Id do anything for the Human Race. Being an abusive person doesnt help the human race. No matter how much you like to pretend. ABUSING BABIES AND ADULTS WITH TOXIC VACCINES DOES NOT HELP THE HUMAN RACE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d859e2712dbfec98e19c9cb7322a933db06cb0ae1d83dfdefc89a5394b1dcaaf.jpg Vaccinating children and adults is protective and has virtually no downsides. YOU LIE VACCINATION IS NOT PROTECTIVE AND HAS TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES SOONER OR LATER But you get paid for telling such lies. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e3db11116f8dde6b0ac09e6cf3e06a2686fb9a6a77fec76bedabe58a826599f.jpg I think you mean that sooner or later you will find a problem that you can blame on vaccination. As Ive stated my son still knows more about molecules and atoms than you do. Even after his flu shot. When should I test him again? At what point would these anecdotes convince you that at least some people are not cognitively affected by the vaccine? 19 countries with vaccine injury compensation programs say different. Nope, having a program to handle cases of the potentially vaccine injured does not mean that vaccines are far more beneficial to the people being vaccinated than not. But what about the cost to run a needless program? And its harm to the economy? Who says its needless? All you shills do. You wont take it seriously because it shoots down all the lies you post. Sorry I cant argue on behalf of a vaguely defined and probably mostly imaginary group. As I said no-fault insurance programs are reasonable measures. Are they essential? Like anything there are probably many ways to solve the same problem. Utility probably varies from place to place. PURE TROLL BS Al Mather you are still picking up a few dollars to supplement your food stamps do you declare your troll bucks Making money out of things like this DTaP devastation :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/06ee77994d38e42cc39635dc1d095dae46b9e11524883d369f3dfc7287c3687e.jpg PURE TROLL BS Its true. I cant argue on behalf of a vaguely defined and likely imaginary group. CAN YOU ARGUE AGAINST GROUPS OF MILLIONS OF VACCINE DAMAGED CHILDREN I bet you can you greedy ba.! VACCINES AFFECT FACIAL SYMETRY https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dff286c87c69823364c15e9cd63e0934ba15b0b26d767f93638bf90d65ae3a4e.jpg The problem is simply that the vast majority of claims of vaccine damage are likely nonsense. You are one piece of s.! DOES THIS LOOK LIKE NONSENSE :- PERMANENT MEASLES AFTER VACCINATION : https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/532467623e7c877c666e036c9ae5be7d514f931d08a2876c649fa9fa580a3d5e.jpg Im not saying that children arent ill. Im just saying that claims of vaccine injury are mostly nonsense. Different thing. WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT MILLIONS OF CASES ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE NONSENSE your head is as big as the moon you are not even qualified https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a43c69fe6998241c291fcc26d88ce1e2fa757d1ad75120d84a0095c857e9e206.jpg WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT MILLIONS OF CASES ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE NONSENSE Im not deciding anything Im pointing out that large scale studies have been done and those necessarily put bounds around the frequency of various adverse events. your head is as big as the moon you are not even qualified in any area, In terms of undestanding what the math used in medical studies means. Im considerably more qualified than you will ever be. WHY DO THEY HAVE WARNING INSERTS THEN Warning inserts are there for disclosure. They tend to have more than one category of event they talk about. Events which have a known mechanism (i.e. injection site pain, mild fever) or frequent enough to warrant cause and those which were observed post hoc but the frequency does not differ significantly from expectation. Most of the things in the first category are benign or still represent a positive risk/reward. Im pointing out that large scale studies have been done and financed by the pharmaceutical industry. Making those studies EXTREMELY biased. Notice the emphasis on EXTREMELY. Whoever pays the fiddler call the tune. FTFY Youre making a false analogy. The point of paying a fiddler IS to get the tune you want. The true point of doing research isnt to get a particular result. On top of that there are controls in place to reduce the likelihood of bias and if you actually knew anything about the statistical field you would see that the kinds of tricks that pharmaceutical companies try to pull demonstrate that the data is largely trustworthy. Whats Ron Roys excuse for Gadad et al? Probably linking to someone elses excuselike the exceptionally entertaining one by SafeMinds. PHARMA RESEARCH IS A PROFIT DRIVEN RACKET TO GET THE ANSWER THEY WANT https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8373cc64fa234ebe995adbe5b5a466be6009e3268fdf810af2dc5908f29f7cf7.jpg Not really. If they simply wanted to make money for no effect they would be in the homeopathic business. Boiron sells a product that is impossible to have any clinical effect. They fund research too. So where one might have a concern about bias in pharamceutical studies. Positive homeopathic studies are by definition fraudulent. BIG PHARMA IS NOT IN IT FOR PROFIT ??????????? HOMEOPATHS MAKE MORE PROFIT THAN BIG PHARMA .?????????????? you are so far upside big pharmas backside you are a 100% troll HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THE PRODUCT HAS NO CLINICAL EFFECT EVEN IF IT DIDNT THAT WOULD BE A TRILLION TIMES BETTER THAN THIS :- GARDASIL DAMAGE AND DEATH COLLAGE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/765a7bc321db586ce925e3b327e65a7da37f6878b19096d1c1d061d8cab73e70.jpg Im saying that homeopathy is a better racket for making money. If thats all that pharmaceuticals want why all the mucking about with chemistry? Why not just lie like homeopaths do? BIG PHARMA IS THE RACKET FOR MAKING MONEY AND THEIR PRODUCTS ARE MAINLY USELESS AND HARMING . Solzhenitsyn was cured of stomach cancer when the folk healer made him drink of the mistletoe tree tumour. CANCER WARD BOOK There is no point in trying to educate you away from Big Medicine which is about profit and your pay you are not a real person with empathy your only empathy is pleasing big gangster pharma executives and collect your $s Emma is a little six-year-old girl who is suffering from severe vaccine damage that has been verified by several leading experts. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aca02ff9f2c8114a5c85e066d5ebeffc90388f97943c2ab69943d4d3b91d6702.jpg our bodies actually use sometimes infinitesimal amounts of nutrients or metals eg like molybdenum so I would not necessarily dismiss homeopaths Strong homeopathic treatments are beyond the molar limit. So it is impossible for their treatments to be anything but lies. Again if this is just about money why dont pharmas just sell nothing like the homeopaths and prophet that way. They would make far more money selling nothing. Nonsense we know about .01 % of how matter works and how our body functions You are the Rockefeller man cut burn poison claim insurance then send them home with a treasure chest of useless drugs . Lets face it America is a health disaster in every way . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9bf4254c9c217f2cfe0cd226646585327d792ee59ad28203eb69cb0b71b18ebb.jpg Nonsense we know about .01 % of how matter works and how our body functions We do know for the vast majority of cases that things diluted beyond the molar limit cant have any effect. If you need this explained then just ask. If you had any clue as to how our bodies functioned you wouldnt be advocating the use of vaccines. The ONLY way to maintain a healthy body is through diet. All our bodies need is the natural fuel nature provides is with. People,animals and plants can all be at their peak of health if fed properly. If you had any clue as to how our bodies functioned you wouldnt be advocating the use of vaccines. The evidence rather strongly supports the use of vaccines. Sorry. YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT AT ALL it shows your ignorance of knowledge it never stays parked. [It] has always fallen to the lot of truth in every branch of knowledge, [that] to truth only a brief celebration of victory is allowed between the two long periods during which it is condemned as paradoxical, or disparaged as trivial. Poisons which can kill in infinitesimal amounts demonstrate that medicine does not have to be given in enormous amounts ironically you use this reasoning to extol the harmlessness of vaccines showing your hypocrisy https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08f1556689d89d4fc59dbe7efdca0d25e78210c730063865f973f51ee8ee42ac.jpg Actually yes that is known. Perhaps you dont understand what molar limit means? I tend to avoid you showing off a new word that you discovered without me even being a..d to look it up on google I will guess it is a limit some have suggested is insignificant but that limit will be revised since this is what science will do but who cares anyway about your pedantic BS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7eaaf3c699833bb6d1910b9b8e35481355dd22d483a7635966bcfaed6c08d869.jpg The molar limit was described to me at the same time I learned about moles. Which was in grade 11 Chemistry. So I dont see how this would be showing off as much as its simply you being ignorant. Homeopathy in particular strong remedies are too dilute to even have one molecule in them. If these were effective then you would have a problem in that daily you are constantly being bombarded with much less dilute versions of an enormous number of other substances. If they ALL took effect then the result would be heath that is wildly inconsistent from minute to minute. BUT YOU ARE STILL STUCK IN YOUR SCHOOL YEARS cutting edge research has moved on eg water can have memories eg of the chemicals that have been in it . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/44361e65408e3c6d3eb87cd8cfceaa25de4059e443f6e74641e773d25ac77820.jpg cutting edge research has moved on eg water can have memories eg of the chemicals that have been in it No it cant. If it could with any significant effect then you would be constantly be under the effects of them. Considering how many millions if not billions of these you would encounter in a single day. You would constantly be suffering from these random effects. The unique melted snowflake returns to its unique structure when refrozen The structure of snowflakes is determined by a number of factors. Two are temperature and humidity to the point that we can grow near identical ones. If it was, as you suggest a property of the water we couldnt. So your hypothesis is not supported. They profit a lot more by selling drugs that then require another drug to onset the complications from the first then a third drug to offset the complications from the second etc.etc. Just talking to people that are on medications will prove that to anyone. If it wasnt so serious a comedy sketch could . Oh wait a minute Jeff Foxworthy has already done that. Just search Jeff Foxworthy Medicine side effects. Funny but true. They profit a lot more by selling drugs that then require another drug to onset the complications from the first then a third drug All of those can be nothing as well. Higher profits once againRight? nworder Notice how Johnny avoids mentioning the more serious complications from vaccines that are also mentioned on the inserts. Citation please. his are ALL listed on various vaccine package inserts: Anaphylactic shock Now only list the ones that are specifically mentioned as being side-effects that is caused by the vaccine. POLIO WAS NOT SERIOUS UNTIL VACCINATION MADE IT SERIOUS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0eb423c80c81c95c26845e418d9d7167b22cc61ff2513bf1212bcf2a7193bcee.gif What do you think your chart shows? I WILL PLAY YOUR GAME WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHART SHOWS ? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c7bb53095a8630430df53a86da42c62ed5132778cdfc130121941dae36b3732.jpg This chart shows someone is very inept at conjuring up charts in Excel/Powerpoint. So are you going to SAY what you think it represents? Or are you going to act in out in an interpretive dance? I AM ASKING YOU WHAT YOU THINK THE GRAPH SAYS LETS SEE WHAT YOU HAVE GOT TO SAY BIGHEAD . WE ARE ALL WAITING lol So you dont know what your graph says? I KNOW WHAT THE GRAPH SAYS BUT I WANT YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK THE GRAPH SAYS heh heh I AM WAITING https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bdcadf51757b7ef3738976dd6a8eaa414724c7de426604825a178b59318e8f2b.jpg You said you would play my game. This is the game. You go first. AND I ASKED 2ND AND I AM CALLING YOUR BLUFF WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHART SAYS ? You said you would play my game. The game is one where you go first. I AM CALLING YOUR BLUFF A bluff is when someone is making a claim. Like I am holding five aces in my hand. Im not making a claim. So there is no bluffing. YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT I CANT READ A SIMPLE GRAPH THEREFORE THAT IS YOUR BLUFF SO I AM CALLING YOUR BLUFF AND ASKING YOU TO READ IT . As a computer input clerk with vast experience you should be able to do this lol HERE IS ANOTHER GRAPH FOR YOU TO INTERPRET change the polio cases to AFP https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7778d7d8e5f410c956a248883288d4261c9891944e291cb6aaa3b0c103989cb4.jpg YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT I CANT READ A SIMPLE GRAPH Im more saying that the graph you provided a few posts back doesnt appear to match the argument you were making. Im not making a claim about myself. So making me do your homework doesnt demonstrate anything nor is it calling my bluff. SOME HISTORY :- Polio was never the raging epidemic portrayed in the media, not even at its height in the 1940s and 1950s, writes David M. Oshinsky in his Pulitzer Prize winning book Polio: An American Story. WHALE dont you just love it POLIO :- The United States Centre for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine. A large vaccine trial in 1955 showed a total failure of the Salk vaccine to protect against poliomyelitis. During a 1959 epidemic in Massachusetts, 77.5% of the paralytic cases had received three or more doses of the inactivated vaccine. In 1956 with the infamous Francis Field Trials they discovered large numbers of children contracted polio after receiving the vaccine. Instead of removing the vaccine from the market, they decided to exclude from the statistics all cases of polio that occurred within 30 days after vaccination on the pretext that such cases were pre-existing. In 1958 mass vaccination triggered a disastrous INCREASE in polio, the highest being 700% in Ottawa, Canada. The highest incidence in the USA occurred in those states which had been induced to adopt compulsory polio shots(1). Four of the five Salk vaccine companies ceased producing this vaccine due to its failure, and because of the lawsuits against them. Use of either Salk or Sabin vaccine will increase the possibility that your child will contact the disease. It appears that the most effective way to protect your child from polio is to make sure that he doesnt get the vaccine Dr Mendelsohn M.D.(1984). Where polio vaccination programs have been instituted worldwide, reported polio infections show a 700% increase as a result of compulsory vaccination. POLIO DEFINITION FRAUD: Statistics on polio were manipulated. One such way was to redefine the disease, renaming it viral or aseptic meningitis or cocksackie virus. If you object to polio vaccination, and you get polioit is usually called polio. If you have been vaccinated and you get polio, it is called meningitis(2). Again, you dont seem to be doing anything but copy and pasting. Instead you explain your graph. WHALE :- Dr. Thomas Francis did not mention in his key evaluation of the 1954 Salk field trials that those who contracted polio after their first innoculation and before their second inoculation were placed in the not-inoculated list. (Maurice B. Bayly, The Story Of The Salk Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccine, 1956). Dr. Buchwald responds that prior to the introduction of polio vaccinations in Germany, anyone was counted as having polio, even if they only had the virus in their feces. It is known, he goes on, that there are people who are healthy but who evacuate polio viruses when they go to the bathroom. Based on this criteria, the number of cases was approximately 4,000 per year. After the introduction of the vaccine, statistics included only those polio cases of people who were paralyzed for at least six weeks.Testimony of Dr Buchwald MD A former public health officer, Dr Ratner, reported that just before the introduction of the first polio vaccine the National Foundation For Infant Paralysis was paying physicians $25 for each reported diagnosis. A patient would walk into a doctors office with a limp from an accident. Hed say he had a fever a few days agoand guess what the diagnosis would be? It was well known Paralytic polio cured itself 50% of the time within 60 days. After the Salk vaccine was introduced, the definition of polio was changed by the CDC. Now, in order to have paralytic polio, you had to have it longer than 60 days(16). Because the Salk vaccine was promoted as being incapable of causing polio, cases that occurred following administration of the vaccine were denied, and excluded from the Vaccine injury table(4) Many doctors refuse to report vaccine reaction, and I worked out that of over 200 families of vaccine damaged children contacting JABS, the support group, only about 3% had been reported damaged by their doctor. In the USA the FDA admits that 90% of vaccine damage cases go unreported(4). Yawncopypasta. Please explain your graph. CAN YOU READ THIS PRETTY SIMPLE GRAPH :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/47b769bc095410a9d5c4a9e1855e533f7a9a3e68e4bb4eb29db0868f2ebf2294.jpg Are you going to explain your prior graph. Why are you running away from this rather simple question? BUT I CALLED YOUR BLUFF AND WANT TO SEE YOU ANALYSE IT MEASLES FLATLINED BEFORE VACCINE :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd28e057afbb42d5a0c2b1d659866f2ed0042935877b1933121f5afd4990bc5b.jpg BUT I CALLED YOUR BLUFF I made no claim about myself, only about you. If you really want to shoehorn that phrase into the discussion I was calling your bluff and right now you are showing an empty hand. I provided my views posts ago. FOR ALL YOUR CONTRIVED SOPHISTICATION YOU REALLY ARE A CHILDISH LITTLE SOD . I AM ASKING YOU TO INTERPRET THE GRAPHS which are actually very simple https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/beedf5a92e3edb9604e2673e4b1f85ca85e652547a9491fbde9aab546d49f151.jpg I AM ASKING YOU TO INTERPRET THE GRAPHS I understand what youre asking however Im not interested. I CALL YOUR BLUFF YET AGAIN You claimed that some graph supported an argument. I asked you to explain your graph. Thats me calling your bluff. You made the claim. See how this works? YOU KNEW WHAT THE GRAPH SAID SO YOU TRIED TO CONFUSE BY ASKING ME I DID NOT FALL FOR YOUR TROLL TRAP lol AFP IS THE NEW POLIO WHICH CAN BE USED TO HIDE THE OLD POLIO https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b18aeb15e9ed78c752fb3d31912fdb1c1f9925bc285a1ed7888728af7840ba2.jpg YOU KNEW WHAT THE GRAPH SAID SO YOU TRIED TO CONFUSE BY ASKING ME Why would that confuse you? Are you easily confused? I think your utter inability to interpret your own evidence is kind of telling. YOU ARE SPINNING LIKE MAD SPINNING LIKE A TOP THE GRAPHS ARE SIMPLE AND SELF EXPLANATORY HERES ANOTHER GRAPH UP YOUR A !! SHOWING DISEASES FLATLINING BEFORE VACCINES :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c97d6699335aed16b8655be1d8eb0dc96945d74602336fe3015f8777fa7cd60.jpg THE GRAPHS ARE SIMPLE AND SELF EXPLANATORY We are talking about exactly one graph. If you cant talk about that graph knowledgably I dont think we can trust your opinion on any graph. So lets get this straight. Somehow in your head asking you to explain how your graph supports your position. Is a trick? Really? How is it a trick? Labeling a graph self-explanatory only makes you look a little less competent for being unable to explain them. SO TELL ME ABOUT THE GRAPH YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN I HAVE POSTED A FEW WHICH ALL SHOW FLATLINING OF DISEASES BEFORE VACCINATION . So you dramatic little sod please point out this graph to me and stop grandstanding on your hot air . CAN YOU EXPLAIN THESE SIX GRAPHS SHOWING FLATLINING OR DRAMATIC DROPS BEFORE VACCINATION :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef2c95e7dd77ddf48aed10a247ed82561e4700d26a218b8cad77074349d4a71e.jpg SO TELL ME ABOUT THE GRAPH YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN So you dont even know what graph we are discussing? Even though I brought up my criticism IMMEDIATELY after you posted the graph? You the preceded to whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and about not explaining it and NOW you are saying you had no idea which graph we were talking about? Go look it up. Im not interested in doing your homework for you. DO YOU CALL THAT A POST ? AND YOU GET PAID FOR THAT ? All the graphs were showing flat lining or steep declines in diseases before vaccination does this answer your question there was downward sloping lines OR flatlines BEFORE vaccination meaning that vaccines are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard . HEREs AN EASY TO UNDERSTAND BAR CHART WHICH SHOULD BE OK FOR YOUR COMPREHESION lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e6274792c9b8066fce37bbc604fc69a52f0c1d0b690de948dbf6015970c596c.jpg DO YOU CALL THAT A POST ? Not only do I call it one. It is one. AND YOU GET PAID FOR THAT ? Only in your deluded mind. In reality this is simply something I do for my own entertainment. NOW YOUR BACKPEDALLING ? No again thats not what that term means. I still want you to explain your graph Im just not interested in doing the work for you. Now since you are someone who only pretends to know what they are talking about. You will focus on THIS point rather than simply following this thread up to where I first asked you to explain your graph and then look at that graph. OK HERE IS THE ANSWER AGAIN ALL THE GRAPHS I POSTED SHOW DISEASES INCLUDING POLIO FLATLINING OR STEEPLY FALLING BEFORE VACCINATION in other words vaccination did not cure diseases SO SURELY I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION or are you going to keep grandstanding and posturing on nothing but your own hot air . HERE IS A GRAPH SHOWING THE ORAL CAME TOO LATE POLIO WAS ALREADY FLATLINING AND DROPPING SO STEEPLY BEFORE THE INACTIVATED JAB. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8a605cb01982a16bebbd6482a4d7f1df0fd63f4fc78f2eacabf3c05a72c6c46a.gif OK HERE IS THE ANSWER AGAIN Nope. You need to know the question first and its interesting that your hands are somehow paralyzed from being able to scroll up and follow this thread and read that. Why is that I wonder? SO SURELY I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION Nope you dont even remember your own post. Do you have no hands? How are you not capable of looking back in the history of this thread? or are you going to keep grandstanding and posturing Requesting that you do your own homework isnt grandstanding or posturing. Its just reasonable. If you are going to whine literally for an entire day about why you cant clarify something only to tell me you have no idea what you were whining about. Its reasonable for me to want to see some microscopic amount of effort before putting in any of my own. JOHNNY YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF OVER A GRAPH THE GRAPH BETWEEN AFP AND POLIO WAS A BEAUT IT SHOWS HOW POLIOS DECLINE WAS PRODUCED BY CALLING IT ACUTE FLACCID PARALYSES (AFP) NOW STOP HAVING A HISSY FIT OVER A QUESTION YOU ASKED NOT ME CALLING POLIO ASEPTIC MENINGITUS :_ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a1a171cca2867f83cd327033a9407e68124d054ba5ad7e6fef4f975c67cdd3cc.jpg I actually dont think your posts are important enough to look back over You cant Here is an answer Not relevant to the statement you made No I did not spend the whole day whining you kept on and on about me not interpreting the graph (I cant stop laughing whilst typing , sorry ) But all the graphs I posted say the same thing the incidence was steeply falling or the diseases were flatlining BEFORE vaccination . I never pulled any stunt I was not really interested in you or your posts lol HOW DOES THIS GRAPH RUFFLE YOUR FEATHERS lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/43319aa8b0c28f5ea85da77953fd562115a35289e3166a8dda6e7ce9ecd39e6d.jpg No I did not spend the whole day whining Yep every post of yours was effectively: Waaah! I dont want to explain this.. But all the graphs I posted say the same thing You were using this graph to support a specific point or perhaps you just post random graphs under your barely lucid words again simply use that scroll wheel or push the page up key. I was not really interested in you or your posts This is, how do you say?.a lie.you spend as much or more time posting to me than any person on Disqus. Not really the graphs were self explanatory ie that the steep fall off and faltling of diseases happened BEFORE vaccination . So I did not feel I had to explain them but now I have explained them will this stop your hissy fit lol Seriously if you left the site as a troll I would rejoice but I feel I have to refute every lie you tell which can take a long time with your many $ seeking posts . If there were no such thing as trolls I would just post against vaccination in the box https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4363c233bd0fcad29da3386a418f44cd32f74b78e16d7e8959df39687dedf775.jpg the graphs were self explanatory Then you had no reason to not explain that graph right away. Instead of whining and whining and whining youre still sorta whiny just now on a slightly different topic. them but now I have explained them Nope. Again I advise you to read your own post because what youre saying now has nothing to do with that. But perhaps your graphs are all random and have nothing to do with the post above? Seriously if you left the site as a troll I would rejoice Really? A few seconds of my time causes you that much trouble. Crazy. but I feel I have to refute every lie you tell Most of my posts to you have been about you and your whining about not wanting to explain your graph. which can take a long time with your many $ seeking posts . You realize that your replies only drive my post count up right? So if someone were crazy enough to pay me to post. You personally would be putting money in my pocket. Kind of makes your statements ring rather hollow. Eight hours later, and s/he is still tapdancing. I will never understand that. Is it just some point of pride or something? Why are so many of these people here incapable of having a discussion like I have with any other human? Because we know you are a mindless troll promoting the destruction of the human race through supporting compulsory mass vaccination for all diseases for a few dollars more . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/db417f6e6cfcde47c4c5a0458428425259bf2f5e5abcaa6e84597708fc354910.jpg Technically, I mean if you read my posts. Youll see that I advocate vaccination for school attendance and specific vocations. So Im not really interested in it being mandatory. Second again you would have to be pretty ignorant to believe that Im doing this for money. Thirdly: Am I to understand that your reason for acting like a troll is because you assume others are trolls ? Thats kind of messed up dude! JOHNNY YOU HAVE OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder ) OVER THE GRAPH THING anyone can see you are just blowing hot air Johnny demands answer immediately to graph question heh heh . Anyone can read my posts they were not whiney you were the one who was in a hissy fit about the unanswered question lol IF THE GRAPHS ARE SELF EXPLANATORY WHY WOULD YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN IT ????? You can see you have lost the argument no doubt your next 200 posts will be about the unanswered graph question https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5e3544adcdb196ae96a520c149e3785bcc42581875455c65cb3524a9b64c573.png OCD is a real condition and the term shouldnt be exploited by people like you. So Im reporting your post. The only thing I have about this graph is the understanding that you wont go and look up one of your own posts to discuss it. Which kind of implies that virtually all conversations with you are going to be your typical trolling. So what difference would it make if we talk about this graph or something else? AUTISM IS A VERY SERIOUS CONDITION CAUSED BY VACCINES AND IT SHOULD NOT BE DOWNPLAYED BY TROLLS LIKE YOU . The graph , the graph the unanswered graph , a graph too far , the graph line fit , the line fit, a graph unread , a graph unexplained , the graph not answered immediately could make up a song about your OCD . I thought the LINE FIT on graphs would be done by the software by now like excel it is more accurate than manual YES /NO ? hoh hoh heh heh https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f1d32817712f02ba27d497a99b5552f769762e3c3587b52a26b44f220798da30.jpg People who have an autism diagnosis should be treated with respect. Just like any other person. However indulging someones fantasies is not respect. So if someone came to you telling you that they think aliens caused their diagnosis. Why wouldnt you consider that a delusion? As a person with a diagnosis on the spectrum, could I please interrupt to point out that any line of argument that ipso facto says youd rather have at least 400 dead rather than be alive and autistic is not in the least respectful. And that is IF the claim had any veracity at all which it does not have. Id just like to take a second to thank you for keeping on these threads DD. Im always trying to re-think what I say here in light of your posts. Im sure others feel the same way. Youre all Al Mather anyway so what does it matter . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51cdf99c60fe6868b4f1e1e57b1a35baf2622bbb319f07fb5bb66cd349b124e0.png Only in the sense that we are all Al Mather. By the by you dont have any comment on that linefit I showed you. Why is that? With all your accreditation, surely you must have something to say? I DID NOT SEE ANY LINEFIT you seem to have OCD on this one graph it must have upset you no end . You could blame the sofware I suppose you will know better I have nothing to say except for laughing at your desperate posts trying to appear like a top scientist . DO YOU AGREE BABY PARTS SHOULD BE SOLD ON THE BABY PARTS MARKET WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR BABY TO BE SOLD FOR SPARE PARTS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cad407d2372f1f86f0f5c4543d4d5cb350dbea83767d6c97b90e00d7a7881e47.jpg I DID NOT SEE ANY LINEFIT First you say I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LINE FIT ON THE GRAPH which would be done by the sofware now you say you didnt see a linefit? Tell you what.figure out what you have to say about the linefit on the graph I posted. THEN and ONLY THEN. Post your words here. Instead of just slamming the keyboard or whatever it is you do. I SAID I DID NOT SEE THE LINEFIT THAT YOU SAID YOU SENT ME ! I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LINE FITS ON ANY OF THE GRAPHS I POSTED MAYBE 20 TO 30 GRAPHS . ps you need an anti pedantic vaccination lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/173ed3e72066c74f6a09278c9916b365e4d8e876ce586c63af3886b949af6981.jpg BUT IF A DOCTOR DIAGNOSES AUTISM WHO ARE YOU TO CALL IT A FANTASY I dont believe in aliens and we know that if children have autism its almost certain to be caused by vaccines since it is on the warning INSERT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LINE FIT ON THE GRAPH which would be done by the sofware . But there are hundreds or even 1000s of graphs showing the diseases flat lining or steeply falling BEFORE vaccination so choose whichever one you want one which suits your OCD on graphs lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5c08b1900fa880fac95dfe0c12bbd564b406ac95f7d6ac4c3b4df791c6e6adb6.jpg BUT IF A DOCTOR DIAGNOSES AUTISM Nobody is saying that people who have received a diagnosis of autism are somehow deluded. Its people who demand that their experiences are necessarily an argument for causation. Different thing. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LINE FIT ON THE GRAPH which would be done by the sofware Just to remind you we are talking about the graph I posted. If that was done by software then the operator would likely specify the order of the polynomial (how is it that you with your mountains of mathematical certifications dont know this). You dont see the problem yet? WHATS MY LIFE GOT TO DO WITH POLYNOMIALS ????????? HEH heh hoh hoh WHAT ABOUT VACCINE DAMAGE :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/981ac60956e4940a884920028f913197329b0d830b65a001d8d12623b83dfd15.jpg You are the one claiming you know so much about math. Im just pointing out that you dont. Right now, youre failing high-school calculus. I will accept the line fit on the graph rather than your contrived posturing Again you need to listen Im not talking about the calculation of the line. Im talking about a decision clearly made by the operator of the software. I dont even know the software operator is he / she pro vax ?????? lol I think you have gone crazy man you have graph OCD lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75eff98da9cbf308b509812c956852011c17b1acc30360fb3b6c6734563f9f3d.gif I dont even know the software operator So you need to know someone personally in order to understand that they made some decisions about modeling a dataset? When you hear that someone drove somewhere do you also need to know them personally to determine if their car was turned on. Why have i failed high school calculus when I passed it ? If you passed something once you will always pass it forever? Youre failing it now because you dont understand what you should have learned in graph sketching. and your post is reported again and your account is reported as well. Johnny your posts are incomprehensible over this graph thing and you are getting sore and nasty due to successive defeats . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c50e53a35bca6b8616cd45b0d8c72291a5d50f020e9126bbcf3fde9faa446e5.png I am sure the scientists that did the graph and used linefit software knew what they were doing more than you would . So thats a: I nwo dont really know anything about linefits. Ok, so an easier question. Can you tell me what the linefit in the graph I posted indicates about the order of the polynomial of best fit used by the scientists who knew what they are doing? I suspect that the answer here is no. There is nothing I dont understand about the graph the software line fit is bang on old chap. JONATHAN WHAT DOES THIS GRAPH SAY ABOUT UNVACCINATED FOR MEASLES :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f513bfa91c0ac7d851d4c39a74f890f721da4bae64fac45be7439a561de946c4.png There is nothing I dont understand about the graph Then you should be able to tell me what the linefit in the graph I provided says about the order of the polynomial used for fitting. But you cant can you? Can you not understand a graph without looking at the order of the polynomial used for fitting what difference does it make (as Hilary said) hehe I am trying very hard to keep my face straight . Measles vaccine was introduced in 1963 in the United States. In the 1950s about 4 million children were born per year. In 1957 the number of children who died with measles was about 93 or 94. Children may die with measles but not from measles. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0fb1c31489792127c58757c49e2a2e5a48af905c550ec0a03b34d2db1410fac9.gif Can you not understand a graph without looking at the order of the polynomial used for fitting I think you said: There is nothing I dont understand about the graph So that includes the degree of the polynomial used for the linefit. Right? So why cant you tell me anything about that. You say you know all about linefits right? You have such an obsession with the polynomial linefit but you can read a graph without your polynomial line fit lol Why would I want to tell you anything about that ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39bfea9035f7de9958451e94dcd9bd2604bae34febb72050d849c036ad7b5cad.png You have such an obsession with the polynomial linefit No Im pointing out something about the linefit. Something you cant see because you dont know what youre talking about.and you would now fail calculus because unless your school was deficient they would have taught this. Do you realize that the linefit changes concavity a few times? Yes it probably does the polynomials are in a twist lol yawn ! A BIG STEEP DROP IN DISEASE BEFORE VACCINES WTH OR WITHOUT YOUR POLYNOMIALS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ce953dbc40f7cc948ed967e17399f41fd6b7aa35b7df7a711e68ba5a591fa92.jpg So if it has three changes of concavity. What does that say about the order of the polynomial? I would say its definitely time to revise your polynomials lol HOW ABOUT THESE LINE FITS JOHNNY BOY they could drive someone mad ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da2442fbaefe8dc3715f0ad0ffa7313b8accc21489f09bdc518788ee9fd82778.gif You agree its three times but you dont know what that means with regard to the fitting function? You did take calculus right? Yes I do calculus and graphs but I am an anti vaccination blogger rather than a debater of graph functionality so I am not getting obsessed with the line fit on one graph lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/462df7c948bf00c179d8099d41cc98c1b11208b18985c4ccf58a3bf34cf52f8c.jpg Not enough to tell you what a high-schooler would know. What three changes in concavity means to the fitting function. THE plot thickens What three changes in concavity means to the fitting function THE FOLLOWING GRAPH IS AMAZING DONT YOU THINK Its got great polynomial synergy . VITAMIN C KILLED OFF THE PERTUSSES DISEASE I am going to start taking more https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d88f1274c59cc5a1f3eecd04ef5d0b9073d1cb12fd9a5ad72a48687b76e06b82.png So in other words you know nothing about what that says about the fitting function. Yawn. I probably could if I was interested but I teach so many different topics that I have enough on my plate. FLU VACCINE KILLS WHY PUNCTURE THE SKIN AND INJECT A FLU VIRUS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/144acf169b0499fbe42d6c08f559e4d1cc98e3509165e58efc10ae6e404b31f8.jpg If you knew the high-school material this would be obvious. So can we safely say then that your knowledge is below that of a high-schooler? EVERYBODY HAS A FOCUS MINE IS FINANCE but I am sure a high schooler could catch me out on a multitude of subjects even though I am professionally qualified I am long out of school . If you were educated yourself you would know this how could I possibly keep up with all high school knowledge thats why we were assigned to different subjects at university eg its called specialisation . You cant be qualified or you would not spout such nonsense you must have focused all your energies on a narrow area of your troll booklets . To tell you the truth I have not spent 1 second on your graph thing and I am not interested at all you lost me in your contrived arguments about 30 posts ago . IVE ALWAYS LIKED IVAN ILLICH :- Their claims conflict with statements by authors and researchers who have actually looked at the evidence. The combined death rate from scarlet fever, diphtheria, whooping cough and measles among children up to fifteen shows that nearly 90 percent of the total decline in mortality between 1860 and 1965 had occurred before the introduction of antibiotics and widespread immunization. In part, this recession may be attributed to improved housing and to a decrease in the virulence of micro-organisms, but by far the most important factor was a higher host-resistance due to better nutrition. Ivan Illich Medical Nemesis, Bantam Books, 1977 EVERYBODY HAS A FOCUS MINE IS FINANCE But you bragged and bragged and bragged and bragged about your abilities and how you KNEW the linefit was correct. Yet you cant see a problem that a high-schooler should be able to at least comment intelligently on if not spot. how could I possibly keep up with all high school knowledge Nobody is asking you to keep up with high-school history. You are the one who claimed they knew all about linefits. So its reasonable to expect you to understand this at a high-school level. Guess what. You dont. Now stop pretending you do. I never bragged at all everyone knows you are the braggart about your school arithmetic I just wanted to move on from your line fit party which seems to be your only knowledge base. I assume the linefit of a scientific graph is correct and is produced by software but I never went back to see which one your obsession was with . Yes I do linefits but mainly on excel why have you made out linefits to be so hard it is primary school stuff in the UK . I maybe dont know ALL about GRAPH linefits but the sofware does it anyway. heh heh hoh hoh hah ha ha you are so funny when your are sliding down a cliffface holding onto your linefits lol HOW ABOUT THESE LINE FITS JOHNNY BOY SHOWING STEEP DECLINE AND FLATLINING BEFORE VACCINATION is this what is eating you up ? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/758c58a4981d038a08216e5e7525dae9ab25c6fc9f8f364adbdcd4da492a52d6.gif I never bragged at all Whoops you kind of lied there because you said: There is nothing I dont understand about the graph the software line fit is bang on old chap. I think that saying you understand absolutely EVERYTHING about that graph qualifies as bragging. Yes I do linefits but mainly on excel Sure, anyone can be taught to click buttons. However that doesnt mean you understand what you are doing or if your model is any goodand the person who produced the graph I mentioned clearly did not know what they were doing. Because theyre a know-nothing like yourself. why have you made out linefits to be so hard Is high school math HARD? The point of a linefit is to show a trend if it doesnt do that you might as well be fingerpainting. The trend absolutely depends on the model being a low-order polynomial. Because of a theorem in math that I wont bother explaining to you because you wouldnt understand anyway. If you know high school calculus you could see that graph absolutely has to be a high order polynomial. So as a predictive model its crap. I maybe dont know ALL about GRAPH linefits but the sofware does it anyway. Knowing how to turn on a car doesnt really mean you know anything about cars other than how to turn them on. Knowing how to make a computer do a line fit for you. Doesnt mean you really know anything about line fits. Why are they always death charts? Because they are a poorer representation of disease control? What does the second word on that chart say? DEATHS. Show us an incidence chart. Why are cases of aseptic meningitis (viral) gong down? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba6d0537585d9873e53f0aa6cafb3e2e53cb3f3f68050c8d6b97da65510871cc.jpg Its clearly a conspiracy. BCG VACCINE DROP MAYBE ??? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7de4829aaa0d3b3f730732866a910e4c06a2ca20211867d6602df5228bf76008.jpg Whale. LOL! Get it right! Its WHALE/ VACCINE. Check it out folks and see what Mickey finds so funny. So, check out Whale dot to, and see what Ron wants you to believe in Thats WHALE / VACCINE Get it right! No, just go to WHALE and see what they are like. And how many infants get BCG at birth in the US, or did that little non event slip your tiny mind? I know, I know! Zero! The US and the Netherlands are the only two countries that have never routinely used BCG. Full marks! Id like to see a dance, on youtube! I second the motion for more entertaining vaccine critics. Maybe Adadd can do a soft-shoe number for us? Assuming the first chart above is correct (which would need confirmation), it appears to show that deaths from polio declined with the introduction of the iron lung. If it were to show what NWORDER claimed (that polio got serious after vaccination), it would show deaths rising after the introduction of the vaccine. But they continue to fall. Nworder clearly cant understand the graphs he produces. In particular I thought it interesting that his claim vaccine made it worse is strange since the graph shows lots of deaths before the vaccine and almost none after So while we both know that deaths in ID are often about treatment (like the iron lung). NWO (and lots of people critical of vaccines) dont make that distinction. Yet we dont see in this graph deaths increase after the development of vaccines. YOU PROBABLY DONT UNDERSTAND THE POLIO HISTORY AT ALL being an IT input clerk lol In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 Abstracts ) COLLECTIVE EVOLUTION :- .Polioviruses are transient inhabitants of the gastrointestinal tract. Up to 95% of all polio infections are completely asymptomatic. This influenza-like illness, clinically indistinguishable from the myriad of other viral illnesses, is characterized by complete recovery in less than a week with resultant life time immunity. Less than 1% of all polio infections result in paralysis. Most importantly, the vast majority of individuals who contract paralytic poliomyelitis recover with completeor near completereturn of muscle function. Any weakness that is still present 12 months after onset of paralysis is usually considered permanent. Off the top it first appears as though we may have been misled about how dangerous Polio really is. When Polio outbreaks were happening in the late 50s and early 60s, many of the adverse effects were due to the lack of clean conditions. The truth is over 90% of the cases where people contracted Polio, the symptoms experienced were very minute. Most symptoms included a slight fever, headache, sore throat, and vomiting. The recovery time was 24 72 hrs. Once recovered, the person now has a life time immunity to Polio. 5% of people who contracted Polio had less symptoms and recovery time was much less. They would see some sore throat and possibly a fever. Rare cases saw diarrhea. Then we get to 3% of people who had a bit more extreme cases where they may have seen some limb weakness and partial paralysis that would be experienced for 2 10 days. As you really begin to look at the numbers, the amount of very serious cases is actually a very very small number. Yet when we hear the word Polio today, we tend to think of an extremely dangerous illness that causes certain paralysis. This is very much similar to AIDS in that fear drives us to act in and think in ways that is worse than the actuality of the disease itself. It also seems to be the case that the fear and emotion around the disease is so strong that we have a hard time truly looking at it logically. Lets move onto how Polio declined and how it relates to the vaccine. Why not start with a statement of fact that will set the tone for what will be looked at below..CONTD I thought you said I was unemployed? What is an input clerk? Do you mean a data entry person? Did you come here directly from the 1930s or did you stop along the way? Anyway I was just pointing out how your claim is incongruent with the facts. Getting NWO to be accurate or precise is a hopeless cause. He wont even accept that the first polio vaccine used on the schedule was the oral Sabin vaccine. AMERICANS HAVE HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY RATE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8c2798ed79253934ff2405b63b8af211cf3145577fc0fb7370f3eff1142ab47.jpg Is it just me, or is nworder such a strange construction that it looks more like n-worder? As someone who used to play the Steve Jackson game Illumnati: New World Order I tend to read it that way. However now that you pointed it out your reading is much more amusing. No, I had a problem with that at first as well. Its not just you. MOST WARMING INSERTS HAVE DEATH ON THEM lol I WISH JONATHAN WOULD GET HIS SMALLPOX VAX https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15056799f5efc70d454e6b91f6ae0091f6f60ad54516405d7dcddd3473614d89.jpg Why should warning inserts be believed but the science from around the world be ignored? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b3be3e6db81ef26cb4d67ff410389d060589bacd8a77c107bf9d0e430118662f.jpg YES WARNING INSERTS SHOULD BE BELIEVED THEY COME FROM BIG PHARMA That is not proof of anything do you have peer reviewed studies? Id be happy with stuff NOT done in the US. THE INSERT WARNINGS OBVIOUSLY COME FROM THE ADVERSE EFFECTS FOUND IN THE RESEARCH DO YOU NOT THINK OF THESE THINGS lol do you think the inserts just appears from nowhere lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0816282f6f08bdad278666ca567a4363da64e47033e5f26256b7021cd7758017.jpg BRAIN DAMAGED AFTER VACCINATIONS I know why inserts are required. 1. I dont know why you think that your picture is evidence of vax injurythats why I asked for evidence. (I can make one of those pictures too) 2. You fully believe the insert but disregard scientific evidence. YOU ALSO SEEM TO BE UNDER THE IMPRESSION CAP LOCK MAKES YOU MORE BELIEVABLE! You just need to post research that shows how bad vaccinations are to people. Pubmed indesx number is fineand Im more than happy to read it. You dont understand. Its nothing to lol about. You really dont understand do you? You know what you need to do to change my mind. Imaginary group? LOL Johnny just look to either side of you.Theres Mickey and Damo and shay and Dumb Dumb well you get the idea. The fact is Ron, none of us are shills. So we dont belong to the aforementioned group. If you really think that pharmaceutical companies would pay someone to reply to yourself with you regurgitating the same thing over and over, or Lowell Hubbs insults or to trade barbs with Autism Dadd or watch NWO struggle to maintain lucidity. Then you simply dont understand how little you matter. Speaking of mattering very little.. Have you looked in a mirror lately? Ron, Ive said time and time again. I do this for kicks. I dont expect it to matter any more than any of my other hobbies. For kicks? Encouraging parents to harm their kids through vaccines. Youre a little sadistic arent you. Actually I doubt you could point to a post where I encourage anyone to vaccinate. Mostly I point out the rather glaring and enormous deficiencies in arguments to avoid vaccination. Different thing. Same thing. Nope. Just because you are wrong and incredibly ignorant doesnt mean the antithesis of your view is right. Not only does pharma pay shills but thousands are hired to shift perceptions in every area. It is admitted by the intelligence agencies but you can also see it happen with every event be it medical or political or militarily you are denying easily tested reality eg like saying there was no spies in WW2 . CHILD VACCINATION DAMAGE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/49e7f7e4694aee25ab1af2f838b3ab078dbf1865e54699d05e6b5fd17f64b75f.jpg Nobody said paid people of this kind dont exist. What we are saying is that we are not them. So no thats nothing like saying spies didnt exist in WW2. Your argument is a false analogy. ^I dont even say that much. I just ask for evidence that we fall into that category. Your bosses should not pay you for talking to yourself do they know about this practice https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f627c45d47344e7e6c90d5f9cbc13b45b4e17337de0d96fa7a0dda8bae51557c.jpg You cant honestly believe that I could be persuaded that you are NOT part of a paid vaccine troll group with multiple false identities . This is what you do with your life https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c06111850ddedae4bad0c168c1396aa0577b7529911cb72dddd340203313898.png WHO WOULD TO DAMAGE ANY GLAND LET ALONE THIS MAJOR CONTROL You cant honestly believe that I could be persuaded that you are NOT part of a paid vaccine troll group with multiple false identities . Well it depends on if you are rational in which case you are capable of being convinced or if youre irrational. Youre saying that youre irrational. Right? NO RATIONAL YOU ARE A PAID TROLL WHO REPLIES NONSENSE TO GET SOME MORE POSTS IN TO INCREASE YOUR LITTLE PILE OF CASH. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/57cbf4c2c18a327010f0a61411b1e7fc4cb33879d7d5c0e17091c3ca44f3032d.jpg If youre rational then you can be convinced. If you cant then youre irrational. Let me know. In other words it can be easy or corrupt depending on how low a government will stoop. Nope. Read. Think. Post. Yep. Read. Think .Post You either arent doing the Read part or the think part. Read. Think. Post. Try it just once! Only after you master it. Get back to me in 6 months You could have avoiding needed to make that deflection if you had read and thought before you posted. Talkin to yourself? No, Im talking to you. OK you past the test I wish I could say the same for you. Then say it. I wish I could. PURE TROLLING SHILL TALK YOU WILL DO ANYTHING FOR $ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0014d7789c41c4de81ef832f9576fa11076eab950a09e7b137d1130477438210.jpg What will you do if you ever discover that I dont get paid to post here? I mean you really seem to bank on that to explain everything. So out of curiosity whats your next excuse? I mean I get that your cognitive dissonance wouldnt let you believe that you are wrong so you must have a backup excuse ready. We simply find it hard to believe that anyone would encourage the harming of children just for the SPORT of it. Pointing out that you generally post ignorant and wrong things isnt harming children. Sorry. WHETHER YOU GET PAID OR NOT DOES NOT CHANGE A THING ABOUT VACCINATION BEING USELESS BUT ALSO DAMAGING AND KILLING. SIDS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/009ae41781dacb6176247243093a02c6602da5e41919dec3b129dbcc3b572032.jpg WHETHER YOU GET PAID OR NOT DOES NOT CHANGE A THING So wait..earlier you said You cant honestly believe that I could be persuaded that you are NOT part of a paid vaccine troll group Are you now convinced? Wow that was easy. the $ will mean you will always have 100% pro vax Several times Ive posted how to change my mind. You are simply not up to the challenge. Well..yeahwhether we get paid or not doesnt change a thing. Well done. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b10189cba1d0233b8673c4e17de972a26d5f7d1ec7992e184666c6a16a50f992.jpg A careful study of illness patterns observed in babies Citation to actual study please. I know you didnt read it and probably cant understand it but those of use who can would actually like to know what is actually said not just the opinion of some anonymous person. Abuse is a human trait. Many things which are not helpful are. Try not being abusive for a few days. And you develop a sense of humor. this is a good example of what I mean. Enjoying abuse, then playing it off like the other person is at fault. This is something you need to talk to someone about. I am, but you still think youre rightas always. Im mostly just commenting on what I see. Your responses to everyone are far and wide just insults. Telling you to stop or otherwise giving you feedback that you should stop. Doesnt alter the way you are socializing. In fact it seems to intensify it. You clearly enjoy being this way to people and youve set up a bunch of excuses so you can internally justify abusing people. Some of which are blaming everyone but you for your behavior. So its not about me being right. These are all things you do. Balderdash. Im doing what others do. When I best them they cry wolf. and again more blaming other people. Now its other peoples behavior that permits you to be abusive. Not blaming, just being a peer to those who do it. Youre using them as justification. Same thing. Everyone does it is blaming others for your actions. Everyone vaccinates so do it. and now youre deflecting. Nope I just mimic you Not really. Really Nope. You dare complain about abuse when you encourage parents to poison / vaccinate their kids? Now thats abuse. You dare So Ive been meaning to ask you whats with this theatric? complain about abuse when you encourage parents to poison / vaccinate their kids? Ron, firstly being abused by someone does not change if someone else is abused. You dont tell the battered spouse how dare they complain when people group X is, in your opinion MORE abused. If you dont see that then that is one seriously messed up set of values your environment produced. So Autism Dadds abuse and harassment of people is a problem. Secondly vaccines arent anywhere near analogous to poison. So youre making a false analogy. A false analogy apparently to bolster your messed up value system. Thirdly, as Ive stated largely I just point out where your arguments are ridiculous and stupid. Thats technically not encouraging anyone to do anything except not believe your nonsense. Then why wont you publicly debate with me. No voting, no restrictions on who can attend and plenty of media presence. I would start with the history of vaccine. So now youre chickening out of having a vote? Voting sure but anyone in attendance can vote. Because what I suggest would only improve the accuracy of the vote. what a drama queen. Do you hear soundtrack music as you type away? How many false identities is AL MATHER allowed ? No must just be you. HOW MUCH ABUSE IS 70 VACCINES BY AGE 18 ? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7118e2cdd6c05e53c7f114bab93b398393437c19cf8a07ca8913b0d0b2bea295.jpg Vaccination isnt abuse. Sorry. THIS LITTLE BABY WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f1bff576f153f86d20e00ac4b9e28527ef170907081b7e60a7d7ffa5f20dd849.jpg I read over Ians moms description of the progression and the underlying problem seems to be that he wasnt producing platelets. Its sad to hear of a childs death but blaming a vaccine for a platelet problem seems a lot like encouraging them to have a (comparatively) comfortable delusion. Not helpful and abusive. Delusion is how you label a childs illness?? Not helpful and abusive. Glad youre understanding how people see you. Delusion is how you label a childs illness?? No, see if you were reading at a grade ten level or higher. You might realize that the people with delusions are the parent. While the person with the illness is the child. See how that makes your interpretation somewhere between erroneous and impossible to have been my intent? The delusional person is the person whos conviction that they can somehow observe a cause rather than simply a condition based primarily on an uncontrolled post hoc ergo propter hoc assumption. Give me a sec, I feel a yawn coming on. Multiple replies to the same post? Guess it wasnt so yawn-worthy. What can I say I had another good one. One that refuted itself. HEP B CAUSES LIVER DAMAGE BUT JONATHAN (AL) PICKS UP A BUCK https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8cc2026ab8c6f217ec2106196a74ca42483a449bef7449b614369c78ea8a7168.jpg Cite from a study pleaseand again Im not Al. You would have to be pretty ignorant to think that. VAX LESIONS ON INFANTS FACE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f81a32a25d753ef2f0626a7aaf94bf8a9ace66197c4a99dc4e447d52107ff345.jpg So no study about liver damage then? Was it the song, dya think? I thought I was just making an observation of nworders perseveration on Al salts, but perhaps he took it literally. JONATHAN STOP DRESSING UP IN LADIES CLOTHES AND MAKE UP THIS WAS AL MATHERS TRICK ARE YOU AL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4043e672f0b0092dc075d346f9606f0433b19046930863d991a01d05354a1f64.jpg Got Haldol? Who knows what goes on in the mind of NWO. He definitely is stuck on thinking Im Al Mather. Me too, and apparently in drag. I could be in worse company, and take it as a complement. Plus I rock the spike heels and fedora. We are all Al Mather now. I might be able to pull off the Fedora but anything beyond a loafer is out of my range. Youd look good in a fedora, Jon! Thanks. Which reminds me I need to update my pic. The one here is was auto-imported from my FB page and its seven years old! Yeah at this point your head is more than likely much bigger. Im pretty sure my ego is dwarfed by your own. Not a chance youve got me beat Johnny. I concede youve got me there. Your ego is vastly superior to mine. Ive got to give you credit though at least you use your real name. Your fellow soldiers in the MEDICAL MAFIA prefer to hide. Hey maybe there are warrants out for them. Your ego is vastly superior to mine. Ron, most of my time I simply reiterate what the evidence says. When you produce a hypothesis I tell you what the expectations are and how that affect the likelihood. You are the person who constantly tries to shoehorn data into your own ideology. I have published a clear and unabiguous plan as to how to convince me. You could never produce that because frankly you dont really have an evidence model you are following. Youve simply constructed a bunch of rules to help you get to your preferred conclusion. THAT requires enormous ego. My just being a mirror into the data doesnt. Data invented by drug companies. Yeah theres a reliable source. and theres your enormous ego. Because without actually reading every study and without having any ability at statistical analysis you can declare that each and every study which disagrees with you is incorrect. STATISTICS CAN BE MANIPULATED TO SHOW ANYTHING YOU WANT ITS WHAT BIG PHARMA HAS BEEN DOING FOR DECADES you have no training since you failed and got the trolling job . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a1a11bd0988a6c14c9ee9aa3c496288120e5c0bbd789eb544725423c147665b.jpg HE WAS SPOT ON ITS HAPPENED STATISTICS CAN BE MANIPULATED TO SHOW ANYTHING YOU WANT As someone who knows a truckload more about this particular subject than you. Id say that no they cant. As I said elsewhere the kinds of tricks pharmaceutical companies try to pull demonstrate that the data is largely trustworthy. NO YOU DONT KNOW A TRUCKLOAD ABOUT ANYTHING OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO WORK AS A TROLL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/098df987cb94ad16c61b829526392fa15057ebb346e6aea16c16638aded8c96e.png I told you already I am professionally qualified and have studied stats and I do numbers for a living. Do numbers? Like on your fingers? The difference is that people can see that in my posts that I know something about math. For example I was talking about Stephanie Seneffs weirdo linefit. You troll all my posts and you didnt have anything to demonstrate your numerical acumenfunny that. I DONT HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE ANYTHING I PASSED MY PROFESSIONAL EXAMS . You made up a calculation on mercury poisoning not based on data but from your imagination it was primary school arithmetic you protest so much about this little calculation shows me you are still hurting from your exam fail results . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0ac6fe5680fe1935f7049fcc0e3753806ebb3079bbafe2e8d66dbc6f5c8ad7a4.jpg I DONT HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE ANYTHING I PASSED MY PROFESSIONAL EXAMS . They have professional exams for counting on your fingers where you are? I NEVER SAW A POST OF YOURS THAT WAS MORE THAN PRIMARY SCHOOL ARITHMETIC . I doubt you would notice. I referenced one in that post. You never gave me any challenge based on arithmetic . I did in my last post. You clearly troll my posts and yet you somehow didnt bring your massive knowledge of math to bear when I critiqued Stephanie Seneffs weirdo linefit. My bet: You had no idea what I was talking about. You never challenged me on arithmetic or maths all you did was a primary school multiply and divide and falsely called it maths the figures you used were taken from mainstream medicines diagnosis of severe mercury poisoning and death from a drip of di methyl mercury on a latex glove for a few minutes . How sad to have an ego that is so inflated that you have developed a narcissistic complex over an arithmetical calculation that a primary 3 school student could do . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/419f3b7cc96f194e7f66d958c87974bd9de6617bc600890f93d2a1fdd25f9053.jpg You never challenged me on arithmetic or maths I challenged you to provide your input on a post where I talk about linefit and you appear to be unable to comment. the figures you used were taken from mainstream medicine Nope. From materials science. MSDS safety sheets and chemistry journals and your story. All easily validated. I DONT EVEN REMEMBER THE QUESTION AND I AM NOT SEARCHING SO GIVE ME IT AGAIN . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0eb423c80c81c95c26845e418d9d7167b22cc61ff2513bf1212bcf2a7193bcee.gif Pssstguy whos so professional with the numbers. Can you tell me what is wrong with the linefit below? ???? below or above ????? You have graph OCD ! which graph are you referring to do you have vaccine brain damage ? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dde79599036a8a46f9f3dda172f30e00d8b17ac3e5b721fb3878bc66626bc79e.jpg It depends on how you have comments sorted. The comment # is:3047104248 Ive reported your post for using OCD as an insult. YOU are insulting the devastated families of the vaccine damaged by making out their illness was delusional . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03c4d504cf6aa1e36b9cf446ca7ecf113a18e5b56b84e7b28497404440fe2cfa.jpg All Im doing is pointing out that anyone who insists that their experience necessarily indicates cause is delusional. Different thing. TRANSLATED your kids devastating illness right after and beyond vaccination was nothing to do with the vaccine because Jonathan says so even if you got a payout for a disease on the vaccine insert you and your damaged child are delusional HERES SOME MORE DELUSIONAL CHILDREN WHO DELUSIONALLY DIED AFTER THE POLIO VACCINE :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c5c98c71cf11015e2bce9cb1a1c48593c9a76606b1bb5826ebf1fa1b36da7c5b.jpg your kids devastating illness right after and beyond vaccination was nothing to do with the vaccine because post hoc does not necessitate propter hoc Fixed that for you. Youre welcome. More like because 1)Read the Cedillo case. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5aa90c9c3c0d7687c8fa9cf5d060242d7d10562e6b6c044854c5ddad7150f3ff.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed214a578907859bf503b29df9717e6c7df26291bd993bfa0b0d5a3387d8175e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d57a33cdb44b20b385adf1c05d6c031852916d97c2f846f6ed669567afeee2c.jpg Please tell us more about the traumatic brain injury that causes you to generate such nonsensical posts. Or is it because youre mentally ill? Youre obviously not clever enough to be a Poe, so it has to be one of the two WHY ARE THE POSTS NONSENSICAL you just cant think of anything to say from your empty troll brain go get a proper job . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8c7577799df31583233202d1cc3add4b8ace72b27b04c9e141ac0a5fe2b4e4f2.jpg Thanks for proving my point, albeit unwittingly on your part. YOUR POSTS ARE AS EMPTY AS YOUR MIND. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ce6ef964144407c6f38087ff55b3f2d96ecebe92f8f25bbd8783c202e48cf9f.jpg And your wife is a rubber glove full of vaseline. I would guess that a trolling beast like you has no wife or children and sits in his basement with the rubber glove . The accuser is posting his fantasies onto someone else . This is you Joe unemployed and unable to get a wife a woman who loves you so you get a trolling job you probably say your in research when you meet a female . Nope. Any more than we let people die solely to benefit others. Why is it that guys like you that have never been with a woman are so worried about, unborn babies? On second thought, I guess I should be thankful that guys like you have never been with a woman! ONLY SOMEONE thats never mated with a woman they love could say what you have said I have held six of our newly born babies in my arms and how anyone could kill a baby in or out of the womb astonishes me even psychos , headbangers But not Joe Farmer who would murder his own baby he has shown his real colours here he obviously has a reprobate , emotionally deficient personality without empathy or love the woman he boasts about would be similar . Why does Joe not join ISIS who have a similar nature of a beast . Sounds like a come on to nworder How about that debate Johnny. I post papers/ articles by honest doctors, scientists and medical historians who have NO financial ties to your employers oops I did it again I meant to the pharmaceutical industry. Men and women who dared go against the MEDICAL MAFIA. Men and women who have a conscience and risked their very livelihoods. Men and women who knew they would be ostracized for daring to expose the corruption of the drug industry. I notice that you cant comment on the point that Ive clearly laid out how to convince me. You cant make the same claim. We know why too. Because for you every paper, website, quote is just a means to an end. Anything against your hypothesis is immediately classified as biased even though you cant say how or have even read the paper or seen the data. Yes Ron, its people like you who have the most immense egos. People who read papers and evaluate them based on the strength of evidence arent the problem. How about that debate Johnny. I post papers/ articles by honest doctors, scientists and medical historians who have NO financial ties to your employers oops I did it again I meant to the pharmaceutical industry. How is that any more a debate than what usually goes on around here? and as usual I dont work for a pharmaceutical company or any part of the industry. If you want to do this here. Fine, heres what you have to do. You need to post an ARGUMENT with a full reference to the paper. You will be required to demonstrate how the paper supports your point. If you want to agree to rules about voting which wouldnt make a monkeys vote equal to yours. Then Im happy to fly down and kick your butt. With as much or as little media presence as you want. Hey Johnny are you on your way to work? Your deny working for a drug company but yet you post so many times per day that I would need a calculator to keep count. Again, you cant respond to the fact that I can be convinced. You cant. Thats ego Hey Johnny are you on your way to work? Not today Your deny working for a drug company but yet you post so many times per day As has been stated many times. I work in IT, I do a lot of work on my computer. Its easy to take a few seconds to dash out a response to someone then go back to whatever it was I was doing. If you were to look at the screens of people in any IT shop. You would see most of them have had a browser open to something not work related in the last hour. that I would need a calculator to keep count. More than two then. Stealing time off your employer tch tch https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c5bb2cb7253e8b282e9317826ef5a301a50c941629d2a6830a4928051e76fa89.jpg Easy for me to keep a browser tab open too. But generally, I actually check disqus about three times a day. Morning, lunchtime or so and night. I would need a calculator to keep count. Dont you just usually take off your boots? and undoes his fly if he wants to count a half Visit J.G.s profile. Read the total amount of posts he has and divide it by how ever many days hes been on disqus then youll have his daily average post count. Nobody will mind if you use a calculator. No voting but plenty of media. The vote was the only interesting part. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b10189cba1d0233b8673c4e17de972a26d5f7d1ec7992e184666c6a16a50f992.jpg Ill also point out that Ive never claimed that I use my real name here. You use the same name and picture on Facebook. Is that also A lie? Im still waiting, and so are a lot of people I mentioned this too, for the debate. You use the same name and picture on Facebook. Does that mean its my real name? Is that also A lie? Ill point out that most people dont consider having a different real name to the one you use on FB a lie. Im still waiting, and so are a lot of people I mentioned this too, for the debate. You chickened out of the vote. So I no longer have interest. I want to see him put on a turban and really freak some people out. I was tempted once to tell Ron that Im an election judge, but I was worried his level of paranoia would cause something to spontaneously combust. I could probably do the fedora no spike heels. After the Navy put my leg back together in 1990 I had to switch to flats. Truth be told, nowadays I usually go barefoot. Hey kids. As I have said before Im flattered to be confused with the people Nwordy confuses me with.even if it is within the context of a paranoid delusion. Im also kind of pleased with WHATEVER exchange I had with that dolt that has me so lodged in his muddled brain as someone with the knowledge and acuity of my alleged puppet people. Had to have been a while ago as I have been ousted from VT and NN. Are you retired and counting your troll cash spending on hunting lodges and canoes shooting and fishing and a fancy SUV . Think of the outfits and makeup you can buy with these shill dollars Hey Nwordy! IN CASE ANY OF THE EVIL OVERLORDS ARE LISTENING I AM WILLING TO TROLL FOR CASH PROMOTING VACCINES !!! It would be awesome ..as I got one entering college as my wife and I wind down. Have great Holidays take your meds hug the kids! Gorski, do not forget to Gardasil your wife (or whatever creature you found to cohabitate with you for you internet troll money). It will supposedly to prevent ze from contracting HPV from you, according to your owners. So you think someone who rarely if ever even comments on medical or vaccine issues who has been pretty much only involved in playful discussion with Flat Earth conspirotards ..is actually David Gorski.?? Not only you forget to clean and cut your nails, but your eyes are crossed from hours of daily pro-vaxx shilling. You confuse me with nwordy, confuse your schizophrenia drugs with other people meds, etc.Your owners will fire you soon for bad troll performance. Well Dk,Troll on but ya might want to check my ..hours of daily pro-vaxx shilling. Conversation with yourself is a sign of mental disorder. But disease is apparent even without words. See Gorski image. Yak. Overvaccinated in childhood. I am somehow banned from NN yet also still able to post there. I think they blocked my name but didnt block my disqus ID. Wow you are nit-picking big time just to be right. Maybe you have little man syndrome and are trying too hard. What you said was incorrect in almost every respect. So really this is just helping you understand English. Hardly. Just more of your tripe and your attempts to win every battle. What you wrote completely misunderstood the subject (in the grammatical sense) of my sentence. . So yes you ended up saying something entirely different. VERY EASY TO MISUNDERSTAND ONE OF YOUR SENTENCES Do you even understand lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ac830b346e075a4058d54ef0037f7abc6dec420ef812ab3574c9f2e3cadf7d14.jpg The paragraph in question was rated somewhere between Grade 11 and Grade 12. While this is above the level I agreed to write at for Autism Dadd. He also seems to be claiming that he has no problem understanding more sophisticated text. Perhaps he just doesnt realize how bad he is? I can understand him better than you https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c55b0914f6635ddd68279ff6ea066f32c2089f4c4ce2f795c4f9dddda42e236f.jpg Perhaps because he speaks mostly in insults and platitudes? New photo. EW worse than the other. Glad you like it. Read Think Post. EW is not a compliment. It is from you. Again, try the think part. Im not youyou must be severely confused Nope. See you are and by saying nope you confirm that. You just dont get it. If the shoe fits Youre quite right. The abuser shoe definitely fits Autism Dadd. No that would be YOUR shoe. The person whos post history is insult after insult and serial harassment is AutismDadd. Blocking ADudd has considerably improved the quality of my disqus experience. His behavior resembles that of an attention-starved 7 year old that just chugged a quart of Koolaid. Ive thought about it. Adadd has some real problems and is clearly a pretty unhappy person. Just like Lowell Hubbs. However it only takes me about 10 seconds to respond to any of his posts and so far I advocate pointing out his socially maladjusted behavior over just isolating him. Youre a better person than me. I blocked him too. I got tired of the nastiness. For ex, one time I said to him that I was going to break my promise to myself not to respond to him any more (this was before blocking) and he said (paraphrasing) so your word isnt worth anything. I also got tired of his harassing me with say, 10 replies in a short period of time when I wasnt talking to him in the first place. Yeah I sympathize. I think you did the right thing. In fact, as soon as Disqus stops being reasonably fun is the time we all should step back. We should try to avoid the Lowell Hubbs delusion that we are somehow here on a mission. Im not better, just different. My buttons can be pushed too. Just not by Adadds bullying. My reason for making his behavior the topic of our posts is that Ive recently adopted what I call the Not cool bro manifesto. The idea being that socially aberrant behavior needs negative feedback. Often kind and tactful but some response even if its simply not cool bro. Agreed! I like your new picture, too! HEs showing signs of facial vaccine damage . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb4a6aeccd637e51db81f9c81262684299ffcd713ef9ea8d48666b8d0881158e.jpg THERES NO FUN IN INFANT DAMAGE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f285f6008d538af22d109b0514b53b785e1aa249b8a597de54014b3445ff3249.jpg and there is nobody damaging infants here. OH YES YOU ARE BY YOUR RIDICULE OF VACCINATION DAMAGE YOU ARE INDIRECTLY PROMOTING THE CONTINUATION OF VACCINE DAMAGE AND YOU KNOW IT https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/73957dc29d2c7c77213d1b0c599b692975965303b3e138c6c72f7162e4ca386f.jpg Nope. I rarely engage with Lowell unless I am a bit bored. I wouldnt want to waste time in which I could be doing something more productive. I was kind of hoping that hes give me a glimpse down his delusional rabbit hole. Im always curious as to how those who really believe theres an army of paid posters on Disqus view the world. Sadly once you strip away the invective hes something of a bore. I blocked him weeks ago. He is just an abusive troll. JoePharmer is merely a blowhard who is here to bully. He cant bully me so he blocks me. If you dont like it it means your no having any fun anymore sooo. Time for you to find another hobby. Adadd is abusive, its important to point this out even if youre not personally hurt by their comments. In the same way its important to call people out on gender or racial discrimination even if youre not the group targeted by the comment. WHAT ABOUT VACCINE DISABLED ARE YOU ALLOWED TO CALL THEM NONSENSE AS YOU DID SARAH BUTTON BEFORE AND AFTER VAX https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb64ab993f2a5255c027b2c0ffad6afa0acd7260dd667ba2edee82d8ce911d90.jpg Most claims of vaccine damage are nonsense. Notice how I am referencing the claim and not the person. YOU ARE JUST LIKE THIS EVIL COMEDIAN EXCEPT HE DOES IT FOR BIG MONEY https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8a398b0e02eeb6e5b43511ae7a3c6e1209694bc68908574b055121224c9b0d64.jpg You dont see many true evil comedians these days. Most I know are chaotic neutral. He only calls it like it is. No Ron, he doesnt. Most if his responses are insults. Im sure that will be quite clear when Adadd responds to my post. Harassment and insults are MODALITIES. They are HOW he is communicating. So your comment is irrelevant. They may be modalities, but are they holistic and natural??? Have I made you my special offer of a box of tissue? UPS to your home. Favorite color is what? Youre confusing the fact that you are abusive and harassing to many people with your fantasy that you are bothering me. Perhaps if more people in your life drew your attention to these things youd be less so. People in my life support me for who I am. If they support your harassment and abusive actions here then youve made my point for me. Whats the matter Johnny not having any fun? You said youd quit when it wasnt any fun anymore. Now stick to your word. Or were you lying AGAIN? Ive already pointed out the difference between AutismDadd being abusive and harassing people and his fantasy that hes bothering me. One he seems pretty happy about I might add. Just like you enjoy antagonizing Lowell Hubbs. Fantasy about bothering you? Dont flatter yourself so much. But at least you dont block me like most pro-vac pansies who only want to attack and not defend. Just like you enjoy antagonizing Lowell Hubbs. All I ask Lowell for is for him to be clearer if he is going to expect a response. Which is a completely reasonable thing to require. I also point out when he is abusive which is a completely reasonable thing do do. Fantasy about bothering you? Sure, you posted a fantasy (because it certainly wasnt a reality) that you somehow bother me. You clearly enjoy the idea. Perhaps you should consider talking to a professional about your issues? Denial + denial = denial The main things Im asking of Lowell are so well documented its practically all I talk about with him. So theres no provocation and no denial. You just denied what you are doing. No Im describing my interactions with Lowell rather accurately. He constantly demands I speak with him on a particular issue that I dont really understand. I respond with that I am unable to comply until I understand. He then usually spends some time making insults and abusive speech and then dreaming up ways to justify it. Nope. Hes reacting to all the shills who harass and antagonize him by asking the same lame questions over and over. Actually its him whos asking me questions over and over. Im simply pointing out my inability to answer something I dont understand. Again this would require actually reading the thread you are pretending to know something about. If I was a moron Id agree with you, but alas Im not. Generally speaking supporting someones abusive acts and harassment of others is not something smart people do. Then lets be specific and not general Specifically if the people in your life support your abusive acts and harassment of others then they are doing you a disservice. No. If they do, then yes they are. They dont. No they arent. Then your comment about your friends wasnt very apropos. Nope. It was a generalize response, not indicative of each persons response. Glad you agree it wasnt apropos. If you keep antagonizing me I may have to teach you a lesson Well a) Im not antagonizing you and b) your threats are reported. Buh Wah Ha Ha Its all a fantasy though. Didnt say that. Sorry. Read. Think. Post. Id like a 2nd opinion. Is Lowell Hubbs available? I was expecting his tirade by now. Guess Ill have to wait until morning. Yea you sure do provoke him Nope, sitting back and waiting is the opposite of provoking. Just like lying is the opposite of truth. and Im not doing that either. How would we know if you are lying? Oh yea your lips would be moving. If that were true you wouldnt be unable to produce completely unambiguous evidence demonstrating that. You are, hence it seems unlikely that you are correct. No Ron, its Adad who just posts insult after insult. At least you try and discuss science, sometimes. He doesnt, he just makes abusive comments. I think it shows the antivaxers up in a very poor light. If you had any degree of insight, youd try and dissuade him, or at least stop cheering him on. He wears flip flops Id put my shoe where da sun dont shine if it would help J boy wise up. BECAUSE IT IS THE ANECDOTES OF A KNOWN PHARMA BOOT LICKING TROLL Although you could have children but I dont think you would be stupid enough to vaccinate since you now know too much your job is to convince other parents to damage their kids so that you get some extra cash BECAUSE IT IS THE ANECDOTES OF A KNOWN PHARMA BOOT LICKING TROLL and as stated Im none of those things. Although you could have children but I dont think you would be stupid enough to vaccinate I have children and I vaccinated because the evidence strongly supports this. your job is to convince other parents to damage their kids so that you get some extra cash So in your fantasy world. How much do I get paid to post here? Do I get health and dental insurance? A FEW DOLLARS A POST depending on size I suppose WHO WANTS A FACIAL DROOP ? THEN GET VACCINATED https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b3bfc73684b257745c73de55def241aab5e5a39c81ad467c59d202331d4c7686.jpg A FEW DOLLARS A POST depending on size I suppose Why would anyone bother at that rate? Not to mention that you realize that in your fantasy world you are directly putting money in my pocket. Right? How do you rationalize such unethical behavior? Yes we know you live off of opposing the truth but we hope that some truth gets out enough to save a few lives maybe . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e41579ecc5557c6b81f73294b97320f5cf475b0acfe7a119e6321f1240087b57.jpg Im just saying that you and maybe Lowell Hubbs and Ron Roy dramatically increase my post count. How do you rationalize your unethical actions by encouraging me to post. Yes we know you live off Well just looking at my post count tells me that in your fantasy world its rather impossible for me to have two children and live off a few dollars a post. Why is it that none of the people with this delusion think it through? GANGSTERS CAN LIVE OFF DRUG DEALING BUT GOOD PEOPLE SHOULD STILL OPPOSE IT. You know that trolls exist and are paid AND live off this disgusting profession so why are you not in it is more like the question should be . VACCINE ARM https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0667d3708457b9d7de6ff016eb9c9d524c4039307ac63825b4ae932adffba118.jpg GANGSTERS CAN LIVE OFF DRUG DEALING Actually no. Drug dealing pays abysmally. Levitt wrote about this, with the exception of the people on the top of the food chain drug dealers make about McDonalds level wages hour for hour. $600 per week minimum. For a family of four thats below the poverty line. Again who would bother? You know that trolls exist and are paid AND live off this disgusting profession so why are you not in it What? I thought you said it was an indisputable fact that I was being paidnow you say Im not? LOL Its variable. Any time from within the hour after vaccination to 25 years later, at least! and the second anything is amiss it must be the vaccine. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fec8b89109b173571f7921dfc47b6c25ce4885abfa4a977aa71787dcca2e08d4.jpg Scarlet Fever is bacterial measles and polio are viral, measles has twice the R0 of Scarlet fever. So two reasons we vaccinate right there. Polio and measles have much more serious outcomes. So the only thing reasonably comparable is pertussis. Although in terms of duration serious cases of pertussis are longer. The statement that we have never vaccinated against scarlet fever is incorrect. We had a vaccine it simply wasnt very good. Which pretty much answers the question as to why we dont. Not to mention the fewer diseases we treat with antibiotics the better. Isnt it obvious? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/009ae41781dacb6176247243093a02c6602da5e41919dec3b129dbcc3b572032.jpg How much are you paid to lie? POOR LITTLE MERCURY MITE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ddaafab86aa7ee1991723ea5165f34ba060780ed4f77c9561b228c822d3cf66e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed214a578907859bf503b29df9717e6c7df26291bd993bfa0b0d5a3387d8175e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4dd325a83ff29805b21ae09904879f174658cabee8b0f322a94e29d6447fb3ad.jpg Again https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef33affbc3906aafe7283f36657f3300c2a421f91c724f9f09fad74517c6d168.jpg Anyone who rats out the MEDICAL MAFIA will be labeled a CRACKPOT its par for the course. Tow the line or find yourself denigrated. The science of today is bought and paid for by the drug industry. Citation needed. The science of today is bought and paid for by the drug industry. Yet virtually every medicine and vaccine thats been taken off the market has been done so through the efforts of people who you claim are bought and people like yourself and the people who they cite are responsible for none of this. Clearly those vaccines and medicines were questionable before the allegedly bought doctors and researchers got to them. Why werent your people first on the scene? Why do your people suck so badly at the very thing they claim to be concerned about? Drugs and vaccines ( very few vaccines ) are only taken off the market when PUBLIC pressure is to great for the drug companies, or their enforcement arm the FDA, to resist. Drugs and vaccines ( very few vaccines ) are only taken off the market when PUBLIC pressure Yet there are plenty of examples of these things being taken off without outcry and kept on despite outcry. Ergo public outcry is not the trigger. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b8d1383eb46d9ccffdc83c00520bf7086cf9ec029ffa3b229a5c6a19eafe2b7.jpg Its entirely reasonable to expect that a lot of GPs will not be much better at statistics than your average person. Which explains Philip Incaos statements rather well. Only someone who doesnt understand statistics would be able to say those things. Citations please. Oh you have none. Ok Sure. Look at all the letters written by the ordinary public about rofecoxib oh wait those were in journals. All that public outcry over Rotoshield, no wait scientists again. Sorry does your group accomplish anything? Why do your people suck so badly at the very thing they claim to be concerned about? Double-upvote, if twere possible. Vaccines not only cause autism but dozens of other life debilitating diseases. I can list them if you want. Just list them along with the *evidence* thats all. Google WHALE / VACCINE you will see it all. Visited Whale?Vaccine. Didnt find evidence. Thats why Im asking. Look a little harder. This time with your eyes opened. I read the whole thing, Ron Roy. Nothing in there is evidence. Just claims. You expect traditional peer reviewed bought and paid for medical journals to print anything that goes against the MEDICAL MAFIA? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg Some of them have every financial motive to expose this, yes. CItation needed for bought and paid for Read Gadad et al yet? AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD AND THE POOREST HEALTH WHILE SPENDING MORE THAN WHOLE CONTINENTS ON HEALTH https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7919d0dbd5424dfa08754de5ca7aad3a36701e4b4dc37de0a2e63dae50bb4afd.jpg Welllets see autism is a problem with too many neurons, not too few. So thank you for admitting that vaccines prevent autism. WHATS YOUR QUALIFICATION DUMB DUMB -? TROLL 3RD CLASS lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0eef83ea4986b9b63eaac69bc371d52e3fdbee3c10d8db7bad11bf0271d8d0e1.jpg Your graph shows number of cases increasing with the number of children. Um.DUH. Thats what youd expect from a steady thing per births. Of course there are more cases when there are more children. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dcea505286f9301d01ef4af787ee134ffef2d47496746650e38e7ab3685f3fc6.jpg A GRAPH IS RELATIVE YOU EEJIT https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.png ADULTS GET VACCINATED WITH NEW VACCINES BOOSTERS AND HAVE ALREADY HAD THEIR VACCINES THE FLU VAX HAS MERCURY CAUSING AUTISM https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/22c5b3f9b33c473dd8495b988bbc527dd697bb0e360c9ad4cfdc1986b2a0ca9f.jpg 70 percent of flu vaccines for the US market are packaged individually and are therefore thimerosal-free. Just try asking for one with thimerosal at your local pharmacy or paediatricians office. Here the role of the potatodeserves special mention.. May we take it that, like Buchwald, youre not Irish? Or that you are, possibly, not a potato? Can you prove that youre not? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39b4cb9b27fa0ee724f73acd5fb9ef29f068088d4a314145576fb1e23728dcce.jpg The data from the graph are also derived in part from IDEA, the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, so of course the numbers of qualifying children receiving services would have increased. Congress enacted the Education for All Handicapped Children Act (Public Law 94-142), in 1975, to support states and localities in protecting the rights of, meeting the individual needs of, and improving the results for Hector and other infants, toddlers, children, and youth with disabilities and their families. This landmark law, whose 25th Anniversary we celebrate this year [note: this was written in 2000], is currently enacted as the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), as amended in 1997. In the 25 years since the passage of Public Law 94-142, significant progress has been made toward meeting major national goals for developing and implementing effective programs and services for early intervention, special education, and related services. Before IDEA, many children like Hector were denied access to education and opportunities to learn. For example, in 1970, U.S. schools educated only one in five children with disabilities, and many states had laws excluding certain students, including children who were deaf, blind, emotionally disturbed, or mentally retarded. Today, early intervention programs and services are provided to almost 200,000 eligible infants and toddlers and their families, while nearly 6 million children and youth receive special education and related services to meet their individual needs. Other accomplishments directly attributable to IDEA include educating more children in their neighborhood schools, rather than in separate schools and institutions, and contributing to improvements in the rate of high school graduation, post-secondary school enrollment, and post-school employment for youth with disabilities who have benefited from IDEA. How typical that thoughtfulhouse misrepresented the advantages of educating children formerly denied, in addition to misrepresenting the changes in diagnostic criteria and improvements in screening programs and awareness over the same time period. Or that anti-vaccination nutters would think it proof of their bollocks. INFANT MORTALITY COMPARED TO NO OF VACCINES US WINS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/461774d95c35d6aaef0d5187bf0f31b0062b2786aa143897b6c3b0b2a268bdb9.jpg I repeat, sir: got Haldol? It does a body good (in *some* cases). Tricksy hobbit! I dont think he understands how charts or graphs work. Mihalovic is a naturopath! THATS GREAT HE WILL KNOW HOW TO CURE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f955e32810e8996afd6d3acc1dd7b10ffe548926772f85b548d9138a5b069200.jpg Snort! Here use a tissue. Yes, because every vaccine, therapy and medicine which has been taken off the market has been demonstrably been represented in the medical literature. Epidemiological. Brings to mind the dozens of They want to control medicine through Peer Review and epidemiological Cawadias (1953) has said that the history of medicine has shown Medical doctors down the years have done staggering clinical work which So again, you cant seem to point to anyone from your lot who has actually got a drug or vaccine off the market. Yet these allegedly paid off docs are much better at it than everyone you consider a better doc combined. NO SAFE LEVEL OF MERCURY AND THIS MAN WOULD KNOW :- There is no safe level of mercury and no one has actually shown there is a safe level. Dr Friberg MD Ph.D. Former head of Toxicology WHO. So a single mercury atom is unsafe? What does that mean? In any case, even if that were true. It wouldnt mean that you could have doses of mercury which are unlikely to be responsible for any illness. AUTISM :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/52d57cbd1b66804a2238046886d931458ba4d1685c826f70fea679a90f8969cc.jpg More correctly: Congenital Rubella Syndrome isnt rubella. Its a syndrome in a fetus which can occur when there is maternal infection with rubella. Its associated with an increased risk of autism and has nothing to do with vaccines. Chopra really should take a statistics class. YOURE POSING AS SOME SORT OF MEDICAL MAN I REPEAT WHAT IS YOUR QUALIFICATION ? WHY WOULD YOU BE ON HERE IF YOU HAVE NO JOB https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a03c2b5d62ddca0899abf339015767c6790f6630c802487e25c12c298cafbfb.jpg YOURE POSING AS SOME SORT OF MEDICAL MAN No, anything medical I state is something that can be found easily. If you wish a citation you only have to ask. WHY WOULD YOU BE ON HERE IF YOU HAVE NO JOB I do have a job. Asked and answered. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RUBELLA Im telling you the definition of congenital rubella syndrome which you could find in a number of medical reference books. SO AL Not Al, sorry. YOU ARE A PAUL OFFIT BUT HE MAKES A FORTUNE JABBING BABIES Im just an average guy and although I do well for myself I dont make a fortune. THE MILLIONS WHO HAVE LIVES DESTROYED BY THE JENNARIAN OCCULT PRACTICE OF VACCINATION DONT DO SO WELL AND MANY CANT WORK WHILE YOU GET YOUR TROLL DOLLARS FOR PROMOTING IT https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/002a2bd48a0ab76a4b6045ae13a52f00853adda71992db3b6e675584f327c5bb.jpg Well vaccines have harmed virtually nobody and they have helped many more. I also dont profit from them in any way. BULL Sorry, the evidence is pretty clear. If youll be my bodyguard, I can be your long lost pal; I can call you Betty, And Betty when you call me, You can call me AL JUST THE ONE OF US ALs FANTASY TROLL GROUP lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8f171ef79c972f3b9d128070d91f613ff3cd3123e771d7bd391a4802eecb65d.jpg Got Haldol? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/867c1580fc58465088caf3f0f591f7d6ed74032c398bff6c84cc0b8dbcb66f93.jpg Testing is done, if you notice right under the circled paragraph it starts to detail the clinical studies done on this vaccine. If your problem is the mention that it hasnt been evaluated for carcinogenic potential. Perhaps you might think about why that sort of testing would not be useful. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ba3c3fd5a9fa4e119d8964feb62392b5edea9264e6763736d6f6f375377308d.jpg So in other words. You dont know how testing the whole product or the antigens for carcinogens would be done. WHIT ? DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND YOUR OWN BULL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb8cb379b455913a695b4981e7e1f0422cce917d05e128b22ae287410465b3ab.jpg Im pointing out that you whine about something presumably a lack of testing for carcinogens however a) You have no idea how such testing is done and b) if such testing would be useful. For example the components of vaccines will for the large part be tested for carcinogenicity. You can go and look up the MSDS for each component. However what isnt done is the whole product or the antigen. Doses that are in vaccines are so small that you will probably get a positive result. Think again try it for once how many mice/guina pigs/etc you would have to vaccinate to see a result? The vast majority of carcinogens operate on a very small risk level. Everyone has friends who smoke and dont have cancer right? Its only through extreme lifetime exposure that we can see the pronounced effects of the carcinogens you get dosed with when smoking. MORE OBFUSCATING WAFFLE DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT I DONT BELIEVE IN ANY FORM OF VACCINATION GOING RIGHT BACK TO ITS INVENTOR THE MAD FAKE DOCTOR JENNER. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/19973a0fc98933f44efcae5c729886ab3935d1ca1990506d9884b23d22ce63ed.jpg What you believe is irrelevant. What you asserted before which was a barely cogent screed about a photo of a vaccine insert where the lack of certain kinds of testing was highlighted. Now if you have nothing more to say about that, thats fine Ill score myself a point. However as Ive stated thats not an unreasonable. thing. Any test on the vaccine as administered is never going to show carcinogenicity due to the small amounts. Its also difficult to imagine an Ames test being any good here. So there really isnt a problem. MORE WAFFLE DONT SCORE A POINT https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/202d75874ef9b9e3dd9be175bb53becc529f73740fcc4e5d6d306b24060f5e70.jpg MORE WAFFLE Nope. Just clearly stating the events in this thread. Again you asserted before which was a barely cogent screed about a photo of a vaccine insert where the lack of certain kinds of testing was highlighted. Ive pointed out how your complaints are irrelevant. DONT SCORE A POINT Too late the refs already counted it. Theyre also giving you a yellow card for overuse of the the capslock key. A LIVE ATTENUATED VIRUS LOL JONATHAN https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2622a8930ab7beb87e99c7e8df92fef50f5aa78fa716e29662101df3a54d0efe.gif Why are you bringing this up now? live attenuated is again a completely reasonable term. ITS ON THE POSTER ARE YOU BLIND Here,s the question what is the difference between an attenuated virus and a live virus answer ze question https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2429cbce628b451c209b908f93a1a67b849f84dc101c25e7e885afbf3548d3c0.jpg I already did. ANOTHER 7 upotes by the same trolls. You guys shouldnt be working the same shift all the time. Ron, in case youre new to Disqus its not uncommon that someones followers upvote the posts of the people they follow. Followers definition; A group of trolls. So your twenty-three followers are a group of trolls. Ill mention that you Judith next time she pokes her head out. Youre right. Only drug company, vaccine pushing followers should be called trolls. So I deleted my previous definition. Thanks again Johnny. Troll probably applies to you better than most people here. They are the same person its AL MATHERS NEW TEAM SINCE HE GOT BUSTED. WHO WOULD RISK THESE MEDICAL CATASRTOPHIES FOR A USELESS FLU VACCINE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/469a68589bdf42fd34054372d4fd7a04c8e3f84b251988a6fddb3a302c00d930.jpg Jenny you didnt read anything. Evidence. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a9d171159211befe8ba6d8292cd4b5a590ea036bb41e482078becf24bfdcfc7.jpg Take off you bllnders and that goes for the three trolls that upvoted you. I read it ages ago before I made up my mind, Ron Roy. Only claims there. I see youre still promoting anti-Semitic websites. What did I tell you? Got to post WHALE / VACCINE on Facebook again. And I didnt know vaccine info was anti-Semitic. Despite me telling you and quoting you antisemitic material from whale dot to at some length? Whata the occupation of the person publishing all this supposedly accurate medical information on this site? STOP IMPERSONATING AL MATHER https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/070a7e2a6f18d5e6c866e3462c9392042394dcad65c98ca2b62022721b7a2b1d.jpg A criticism of WHALE / VACCINE again. Wait a minute Ok Im back I had to post that website on Facebook again. Now what were you asking? Oh yes the occupation of the person publishing that vaccine info. I believe hes a gasp pig farmer. And I say so what? He didnt write that information he simply compiles it and post it on WHALE. Pig farmer. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f2a2604987c1f066ee8ad8a4230bfba221ef0b39e43b0e05cf00b072fd537a8c.jpg WOW 9 upvotes all the trolls are working the same shift! Evidence? Progressive leftist nazis strike again. Thanks for proving my point. Using your own numbers, the mortality rate was falling about 30 percent per decade before the vaccine. After the vaccine was introduced, it plummeted 90 percent within five years. LIE measles mortality was wiped out before the vaccine you blatant liar 7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8But to the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and ALL LIARS, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death. 9Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb. measles mortality was wiped out before the vaccine https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/729be1ea8067b60d3a17e8210c99c443dd7e38d49e031c9af1d153fdcc91c9b7.jpg Yup thanks for proving my point, again. That mortality graph shows that mortality had flatlined from about 1950 to 1965, with about 0.3 deaths per 100,000 population (over 5000 people died during this time period). Then, between 1965 and 1968, it drops to zero on your chart Cant copy/paste what I want will try and edit in Disqus to get around the problem. Lots of false information in this post. If anyone wants examples, feel free to ask. Backing up false claims with other lies does not give you credibility. Broad-brush, completely unsubstantiated dismissals dont lend you credibility. Fact: There is very little evidence that vaccines save lives, especially when the vaccines themselves are taking lives Wow! Virtually every single one of your facts is the exact opposite of reality! If you actually believe these things to be true, then Ive got a bridge to sell you for a great deal. As proof that Jimbo is an anti-reality conspiracy theorist, Id challenge anyone to pick out, from Jimbos facts, the three most true. Then well discuss them in detail. REAL DOCTORS ON THE FRONT LINE NOT OUT OF WORK TROLLS IN THEIR BASEMENT The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective. Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz The chief, if not the sole cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination. Dr. Robert Bell, once Vice President, International Society for Cancer Research at the British Cancer Hospital Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio. Dr. Allen Greenberg, MD In my medical career Ive treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones. Dr. Philip Incao, MD I found the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realize that this is not so. Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD It is dangerously misleading to say that vaccines make us immume or protect against disease, when in fact that is the exact opposite of the truth. Vaccines only drive disease deeper and cause us to harbor it chronically. Dr. Richard Moscowitz, MD Name calling wont get you anywhere. Lets just pick a few: IT WOULD BE SAFER INJECTING SEWAGE WATER Probably. If I was held down and told I was going to be given either a vaccine or an injection of sewage water, I would choose the latter. Says it all one of the greatest cons of all time the love of money is the root of all evil https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7a0eddd469d70f442fc9138566d6c4bb8c4ef72dad3f9fcb1be19987a0e16c9.gif These people have no idea the dangers of these vaccinesso dangerous, they are making it mandatory in Californiaexcept for muslims. They know the dangers it is about money for trolling and more bribery for the politicos like senator Pan they think they will be able to avoid them but big pharma will eventually mandate the whole of America to get their 200 vaccines this will take a few years . Ya I know, we must fight it though. Let me see, the libbys logic for womens rights their body the right to abort.pro-choice in abortion, but mandatory vaccinesno choice even though its your body.hypocrisy in the highest form. Pharma bribery is needed for the president and senators . America is vaccination nation and is gone mad medically pure profit driven medicine leading to the worst health and abortion rates in the world Where are people being thrown in jail? You have a choice with vaccines. You can chose not to vaccinate and either find a new job or homeschool your child. That is a choice. With abortion, that choice is limited. There are strict limits to abortion in every single state. No one wants abortion to be a choice for all 40+ weeks of a pregnancy. All choices have consequences. You are the most uneducated person to ever have a conversation with. Here in California you can have an abortion in the last month of pregnancyever hear of Dr. Goznellook it, he used to slice the back of the neck on babies who were actually born and called it an abortionhe is serving time. Being forced is not a choice.being forced to take a vaccine or not work is tyranny.before the 1940s there were no vaccinesand people worked.you think the government is the answer to the worlds problems it is not, leave the government out of my health care, my bedroom, my religion and my schools California only allows abortion up to the age of viability or when the life of the mother is at risk. Providing for the common welfare is part of the preamble of the constitution for a reason. Again, you can chose to homeschool your children and your rights are fully upheld. So are ours, as parents of children in schools. We have rights too you know . Show me in the constitution this preamble of the common welfare that is suppose to be provided by the government. it says We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of to our selves not the government.secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our prosterity.no where does it say the government provides thisit is up to the people one to one there is no mandate by a government to ensure ones rights supercede anothers.and yet you do believe this, it is apparent to your post. your rights are no more just than mine.where is my liberty under your rights The preamble is the opening of the constitution and the whole thing is the goals and objectives of the US government. Not only that but every single court challenge to mandates, in the USA, has lost. Every single one. The courts have weighed that the rights of the general public outweigh the rights of the individual. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ENSURE OVERSEAS WARS , BOMBING , KILLING MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS ETC ETC Read what you just typed: Promote the general Welfare. Its right. there. IF YOU SUPPORT BABY MURDER YOU WILL END UP IN A VERY HOT PLACE FOREVER . Repent now before its too late and there is no escape Well, lets see. 1. SIDS rate is at an all time low, thanks in part to vaccines cutting the risk of SIDS in half. 2. Infant mortality rate is at an all time low in USA, again thanks in part to vaccines. 3. Life expectancy is at an all time high, thanks in part to modern medicine. I am going to say I am not at all worried about my soul. MORE VACCINES = MORE INFANT DEATHS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/164e0faa2c5404cc45fa23d380c345824e5046e862e864bc63ce35649952f7d5.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26a7e723dd8b37330394c84096fbdc4c311d880a9ce140dc46ea5a0572f7e8f1.jpg from: www hrsa gov/healthit/images/mchb_infantmortality_pub.pdf Your graph is from Neil Z Millers study comparing VAERS reports to vaccines. He failed to note that IMR and SIDS rates are both DECREASING. He also failed to note that VAERS is raw, unverified data and thus cannot be used as fact. HOW TO DECREASE SIDS. CALL IT INFANT DEATH SYNDROME yeah, that makes no sense. Nworder, lets pretend youre right for a moment just for giggles: All that would accomplish is lowering the SIDs rate. Infant Mortality rate would be either the same or higher in other words, that dishonesty would be easy to expose. HOW MANY GRAPHS DO YOU WANT AMERICA IS STUFFED WITH VACCINES https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c318290813f882580d8e725bf513c0ef6aa60634d1ccba5325da58aebf065a47.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e9b8c7ac84e79de71d44afe9e6924def8ffab0e63bc2e3d4970f1708b4a3655.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg Any beginning statistics student knows you cant extrapolate like that! Lets assume for a moment that this chart was accurate (its not). Infant mortality refers to those that died before they were one year old, and even among those, most die within the first month of life. How would the number of vaccines given to children through six years old impact how infants die before they ever able to get those vaccines? (int: they dont) Its as nonsensical as saying WWII caused the U.S. civil war. Duh ! I notice you failed to respond to the fact checking I did about your sisters story. You dont have any comment about the corrections? Because whether some stranger has an abortion or not is to do with their family or not. Meanwhile, choosing to leave your kids vulnerable https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/537c403e44d24a431256f772e0232f14ea0c61d0744724c3cec8f4f93a8afad0.png to toxins.actually, no-one said you couldnt do that. You dont get to up the chances of the medically unable/unlucky to be exposed to toxins though. ^ THIS! None of us are paid. Calling us trolls is just a cover up for your lack of evidence to support your side. Even Blessed has been caught in numerous lies in these comments. Thou shalt not bear false witness, B. Perhaps she goes to confession every day to absolve her sins. I rather suspect shed stumble over the Act of Contrition. WHAT ABOUT AN ACT OF CONTRITION FROM YOU THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM LYING OVER THE SAFETY OF MERCURY AND OTHER TOXIC INGREDIENTS IN VACCINES TRYING TO PERSUADE MOTHERS TO GO AHEAD AND POISON THEIR CHILDREN WITH FAKE SCIENCE . Have you figured out the difference between dimethylmercury and ethylmercury yet? THEYRE BOTH HIGHLY TOXIC AND ETHYL MERCURY (IN THE SYRINGE) TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY IN THE METABOLISM WHAT THIS THREE HAVE IN COMMON IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE NOWHERE NEAR ANYONES BRAIN OR BODY ESPECIALLY A CHILDS. 1) depends on the dosage, 2) no, 3) no, and 4) no. Please ask your high school chemistry teacher for your money back. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fcb1603d18e932fad27c48fdb553b465ae80fc4c14b43fc1f3f0ab6e2663f58.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c130cc76eddfc381705d7df2933291f86edfba653b15beef3bb6a93b92945cdd.png Youre the one who needs to go to confession. Thou salt not kill. With a gun or vaccines. You violated both. Citation needed. Muslims are provax and the mandate in California applies to everyone. What is it about choice that you cant grasp? And your reference has a pro-disease agenda, does not mention arrest, detention, or being taken into custody. It mentions CPS taking children away from parents, but does not offer any names or incidents. Tell me, do you ever READ what you post? Or are you just another copy/paste drone? Wait, you expected her to provide evidence of her nonsense? Shes so far down the rabbit hole, she must be going after Cia. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5aa90c9c3c0d7687c8fa9cf5d060242d7d10562e6b6c044854c5ddad7150f3ff.jpg DONT LET THE CHARLATAN DUMB DUMB (AL MATHER) CONVINCE YOU THAT MERCURY IS GOOD FOR YOU. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4cc2d533537057579c979098b14f86e49aee9e7b1f11959e8b49018351245fbd.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fcb1603d18e932fad27c48fdb553b465ae80fc4c14b43fc1f3f0ab6e2663f58.jpg Evidence of chartalanness? Not provided this time so.FAD. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8748a411fcd49614093302e9c9d80dcfa6e42c3fac8528ffe82f44e841cc8f22.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef33affbc3906aafe7283f36657f3300c2a421f91c724f9f09fad74517c6d168.jpg If you repeat a lie often enough eventually you hope people will believe it. But much to your employers chagrin the sheeple are waking up and seeing the truth for themselves. They no longer blindly accept what doctors tell them. The see that more harm comes from drugs and vaccines than good. You dont need to blindly accept what youre told. You can read the study for yourselves. Dont be silly. Ron doesnt even read his OWN studies. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/11c8d681268dbb254237e1f54dfd8b976da7f9aaf2eda4ebeaff4d876b549a02.jpg Amy Tuteur, op.cit. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09e9cb4da2684133cafdba6adde7cc70ca618027c53692f3b817e7ed01c4842a.png Amy Tuteur, op. cit. Amy Tuteur, op.cit. And? Whats happening is that most people know children who became autistic. Congressmen, a President and just bring it up in conversation. Many will have reports of both autism and serious reactions that scared the bejesus out of parents and whose doctors recommend no further vaccines. Why a segment of society hasnt caught on is strange, but its the sheeple in them that keeps this story divided. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c130cc76eddfc381705d7df2933291f86edfba653b15beef3bb6a93b92945cdd.png Whale? Really? Id like to see the PMID or even an article by Dr Lucier, because everything Ive found says his work was on mercury levels in fish. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/22c5b3f9b33c473dd8495b988bbc527dd697bb0e360c9ad4cfdc1986b2a0ca9f.jpg Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers dont mind and cheerfully accept it any way. Amy Tuteur. SIDS AND VACCINATION https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7966dabe6ab62abb092efcdfeee37ff97cb1c768c01001f2be611e5746834e62.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg d4e22251b14aba9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c196e173790f0a7029d7ed030ad470b4bdeef3b5b73a8f57459ce99b575c240.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7a0eddd469d70f442fc9138566d6c4bb8c4ef72dad3f9fcb1be19987a0e16c9.gif https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a2ea374162b135807774c15c76ec2a43b386b5d72803e4713306554c558b6771.gif https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef33affbc3906aafe7283f36657f3300c2a421f91c724f9f09fad74517c6d168.jpg Yeah^ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48b22e96b3d975d278fd2283456e08622b23b2b9d957a751c64459c73852a925.jpg All truths that in any way would upset the power and control the MEDICAL MAFIA has over disease care will be denigrated. Any doctor or scientist, no matter how well respected, that says anything that would endanger the profits made by the MEDICAL MAFIA , is immediately called a crackpot or other disparaging names. Its the way the medical mob operates. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg They protect the Medical Consensus lie. Wakefield had the power to expose and undo this agreed to lie. Vaccine science will not accept or admit their failures and with government protection they carry on hoping to somehow perfect vaccines. The collateral damage is a irritant but not a reason to stop the pursuit. They are Borg. Its easy to say SIDS cases have dropped when in reality they just dont report those deaths as SIDS. That wouldnt change the IMR though, Ron Roy. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050bd1605597005c17359a206f68c7ef08767f9745ea4469908c027638975cd0.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c196e173790f0a7029d7ed030ad470b4bdeef3b5b73a8f57459ce99b575c240.jpg That the standard. Bad optics? Change the optics. Ask Dr William Thompson. This whole discussion is full of fakes, fake news, fake science, and crazy people. Not worth spending any time here! You are a bunch of deplorables! ALWAYS SAFER TO KNOW THE TRUTH ITS A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54c39032b431a8a175d045323485ee2f37008ebe7ae8cb413e3a68242abd83dd.jpg PMID number? As if the MEDICAL MAFIA would allow a PMID number to anything critical of their products. Pmc4243897. That paper doesnt even mention VACCINES its about the side effects of statins and all it says is:the pathogenesis of statin-related muscular adverse effects has not You wanted a paper that discussed side effects of a pharmaceutical company product, implying that they would never let that get published. Standard Antivax MO. I copied and pasted that study for you and you cant see it was nothing more than a whitewash for statin drugs? Standard pro- vax shill. Well I can see 6 of my posts are still pendingI will wait and it has been 9 hours since posting themthey are pending so I can see why everyone is attacking meIll have to wait and see if they get posted or will have to repost. Did you put live links in them? You need to replace the links with dot for dots. You dont need to replace any other symbols. I dunno. I cant help but wonder what the results would have been if the U.S. had compulsory voting like Australia. GOOD AUSTRALIA EXPERIMENT AL MATHER (JOE) :- Again, you have the wrong caption. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8171be888bf9eef0898fb2e3dfa29de70c2712c798ef2c5b8615933851a59109.jpg Not proud of it, but Im one who didnt vote for prez this time around. Simply couldnt bear it, just disgusted and disenfranchised with no acceptable candidate in sight. Sorta like a spectacular crop failure nothing to harvest, rolling out the combines and trucks is only throwing good money after bad. Maybe we can learn from our mistakes and look forward to smarter possibilities next season. Anyway, compulsory voting? Isnt that how they do it in those crappy little strongman republics? Besides, the Dems have been practicing as much as possible of that; cruising barrios, ghettos, homeless shelters, the hoods, mosques and churches rounding up idle souls and busing them to register and again to vote, feeding them, entertaining them for an afternoonthen ignoring them for another 4 years. Repubs probably do the same thing somewhere, I dont know. I think Barack and Hillary refer to it as their ground game. Amazing how this year all of that and virtually limitless campaign money so utterly failed. Plenty to learn from in that entire fiasco, but in the aftermath I feel like weve dodged a bullet by not voting in another 4-8 years of the same old doddering hand-wringing do-nothing political curators. I feel like Americans made the right choicewithout my help (heh, which seems to be more and more common around here these days anyway). Should be interesting, and theyve now got me fired up to make the most of it, whatever develops. Heck, were doing another little expansion here. Feels good to be back in the game after so many years of Obama, Bernanke and Yellin wet nursing and coddling a spoiled lazy economy. How the heck much longer before we end the economic stimulus and restore interest rates, another decade, then another? Well if you had compulsory voting (most likely unconstitutional, so it will not happen), the results would most likely be about the same. There would be far more votes for the fringe parties (libertarian, greens, Hemp for all party, Deez Nuts, etc) about 15% of the total vote would go to the outliers, but the general trend would stay the same. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ac7440a22773b9697a0f56f3dc2428fb5cee9d104ddc210b42fece74c3c93b24.jpg Cool, so we are playing random stuff we found on the internet. Love this game. IF YOU WANT TO DIE OF RUBELLA GET THE VACCINE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bf8833b50dde771633365d77b24cae7c81115dfb3f9a2fbd48e6cd2d7f6f73ec.jpg NCOW, so funny. What kind of Womens org would name themselves NCOW? Got any scientism from NHEIFER, I need to hear this from the younger demographic. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e1947ee46edfe095c5f8a02915849d3e995cfef9e799aa59cb3535d7401b4d1.jpg RUBELLA VACCINE CAUSES AUTISM Rubella (congenital rubella syndrome) is one of the few proven causes of autism. Walter A. Orenstein, M.D. US as Assistant Surgeon General, Director National Immunization Program in a letter to the UKs Chief Medical Officer 15 February 2002. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9769e9f14780044bf4806d7042d49cb4ebb10d69e14092f166302d7653880f9d.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ddab17d6277ebb1116ec677c0b659adf5eda14c55da56b9e7f656126c2376341.jpg They are running a monopoly and they will lie, cheat and Well the only person who in this exchange can be said to be lying is whomever made the slide that NWO posted or they simply dont know what they are talking about. Same could be said for NWO. Eva Snead? Sure.. lets take a look at what else is on WHALE / VACCINE and attributed to Eva Snead.. And then of course, as you well know, we may suspect that there Still delivering the bat guano content in your posts/comments, Ronald.. well done, you. POISONED VACCINES IN KENYA POISONED VACCINES IN KENYA https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/329afb08135c2057bdb5eafe8512837eed48f9c130bf1627e101c38db640a303.jpg PMID: 10559533 This paper ( toilet paper ) only minimizes vaccine damage. This is what it says: As immunizations successfully reduce the incidence of their target Hi, Moby. The PMID is offered to support Dumb Dumbs citation, as I had it handy. Her citation was offered to refute your baseless assertion that no papers questioning or critical of vaccination would be permitted to be listed in PubMed. Does that help? It didnt criticize vaccines. Your support is Dumb Dumb. Well, vaccines arent injected into your veins, so theres that. But, you know, try having a kidney stone get lodged in a ureter and then tell me that injecting dilaudid into a vein is an occult practice. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT ANY BAD NEWS ABOUT VACCINES WILL BE GROSSLY UNDERSTATED https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bfd6158b8088f2681702aba04cf62ffa8cd9d358ad107412a3ac87f4ad1243b0.jpg So, 40 deaths in 7 years. And, if you look at prevax era, 10,000s of injuries and death a year from diseases we now vaccinate for. We compensate an average of 150 vaccine injuries a year, in USA. 150 compares to tens of thousands Which would you choose? SMALLPOX VACCINATION KILLS 125,000 VACCINATED FOR SMALLPOX Prussian Roulette It happened that Prussia passed a mandatory vaccination law in 1834 for smallpox. The law provided that every infant be vaccinated, and then revaccinated when starting school. After graduation, the child had to be vaccinated again, and then once more upon entering the Army! And all healthy males had to go into the Army. Anyone who refused the vaccination was to be held down and vaccinated by force; and so thoroughly was it done that he was vaccinated in ten places on each arm. [14] OK, so we get the idea that almost 100% of Prussians got Jenners smallpox vaccine. SMall pox is gone. You do know that, right? WHEN VACCINATION WAS STOPPED THE SMALLPOX WENT RIGHT ON! Vaccination never stopped. You do realise that the strategy of arguing against some vaccines because of perceived reactions might seem reasonable to onlookers But arguing against them by claiming polio and smallpox have not been eradicated or nearly eradicated through their use just makes you look like a deranged idiot? Otoh, perhaps you do it because looking like that is an actual improvement on the reality. EVEN THE POLIO VAX INVENTOR JONAS SALK SAID HIS VAX CAUSED NEARLY ALL POLIO OUTBREAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT CANCER :- Notice that these diseases were virtually wiped out before the introduction of their respective vaccines! Rather the decrease in these childhood maladies werent due to vaccinations (as you may have been told), but were mainly the result of improved public health and hygiene (including sanitation and cleaner drinking water) during that time. An interesting side note concerning polio involves some shady behavior by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC); in 1958, after the introduction of the live polio vaccine, they changed the definition of polio. Cases of inflammation of the membrane that protects the brain and spinal neuron cells, causing muscular weakness and pain (but not paralysis) were no longer classified as polio; they were now to be referred to as aseptic meningitis, even if the polio virus was present. Reported cases of aseptic meningitis went from near zero to thousands, and polio cases dropped the same amount. Then, later in 1958, the CDC changed the definition of polio again!! All cases with classic polio paralytic symptoms were to be called acute flaccid paralysis. In 1960, the CDC triumphantly declared large parts of the world as polio free, while the newly created acute flaccid paralysis mysteriously became quite common. In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals. Glycerin (toxic liver, kidney, lung damage) Gee, according to your GF BlessedtoServe, glycerin is harmless. YOU HAVE TROUBLE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN WHAT WE EAT AND WHAT WE INJECT AND WHAT WE PUT ON OUR SKIN . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/550edb0e0ad3501b00607d7a20df52f28d5e1922536772b690c2b9f9057c7253.jpg You have trouble differentiating between conspiracy and reality. Perhaps you have some source that shows that injecting small amounts of glycerin is biologically relevant. Also, you have a far greater risk of developing allergy to egg and peanuts through consumption, but dont let reality stand in your way. YES THANKS TO SANITATION , NUTRITION ,HYGIENE Like they had in Africa? YES only the profoundly ignorant think that Africans live in mud huts only a tiny % live like this . Get on google and go round the country and educate yourself Bill Gates is finishing these areas off with his polio plot I lived in Africa for 6 years and visited 8 countries. By the way I never believe anything you say . AND if there is lack of sanitation there will be disease which will not be cured by vaccines but by sanitation as we did in the West https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f3e8a5ceef2f870894759ee982ada71899107242a36236e480d54c1593626091.jpg LOL you are nonsensical THE COMMON DISEASES FLATLINED BEFORE VACCINATION DUE TO NUTRITION AND SANITATION No, you are wrong. Please read all the articles on this website. www dot historyofvaccines dot org Go to WHALE/VACCINE and read about the REAL history of vaccines. Nope. Go to history of vaccines dot org. Much better site. The polio epidemic was almost over when the vaccine came out so in order to Oh, baloney! Polio went straight down, and fast. Heres another link: So why is there a surge of polio and polio-like illness in the USA right now? And, the answer is certainly not anti-vaxx A number of infectious germs have been demonstrated to cause AFM, including poliovirus and other non-polio enteroviruses, flaviviruses (such as West Nile Virus), and adenoviruses. In August 2014, physicians in Colorado noted an unusual cluster of acute flaccid myelitis among children. http www cdc gov/acute-flaccid-myelitis/faqs.html There is no polio in the US. The only countries that have polio are Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria. They dont know what is causing the outbreak here. All Ive heard is that it is polio-like and Ive even heard from the polio family. Which, sounds like super-polio to me. Well, that shows your ignorance, nothing more. There are facts, sometimes the news reports them, and then I read them. Got a problem with that? Polio-like, only in the sense that MS can sometimes be stroke-like. Or like how TB evolved into super TB? MDRTB is still TB. The CDC is not claiming to know what is behind the surging epidemic and only lists known causes of paralysis, which includes polio. cdc gov/acute-flaccid-myelitis/faqs.html What is interesting about this, is the discredited study concerning vaccines that supposedly lead to weaknesswhich was alleged to be causing the autism. Do you believe there are powerful people that would like to kill off large portions of the population? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aba84a529c0244ac918f45d66adb3b89bcf8ef431c7b4e4cf4cb586c55f035eb.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39b2eaf8a35a001da463270e0047b703cb41da9411d39f96ef3f5475a340c593.jpg Remember how polio spread rapidly in Nigeria when anti-vax rumors and superstitions convinced people to keep their kids from getting vaccinated? POLIO (VACCINE ASSOCIATED POLIO PARALYSIS) SPREADS RAPIDLY WHEREVER PEOPLE ARE VACCINATED VACTRUTH :- The Rates Of Vaccine-Induced Polio Soar This all sounds extremely impressive, until we learn that public health experts estimate that between 100 and 180 children in India develop vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP) every year. The selfnews Post stated that: According to the Polio Global Eradication Initiatives own statistics there were 42 cases of wild-type polio (WPV) reported in India in 2010, indicating that vaccine-induced cases of polio paralysis (100-180 annually) outnumber wild-type cases by a factor of 3-4. Even if we put aside the important question of whether or not the PGEI is accurately differentiating between wild and vaccine-associated polio cases in their statistics, we still must ask ourselves: should not the real-world effects of immunization, both good and bad, be included in PGEIs measurement of success? For the dozens of Indian children who develop vaccine-induced paralysis every year, the PGEIs recent declaration of India as nearing polio free status, is not only disingenuous, but could be considered an attempt to minimize their obvious liability in having transformed polio from a natural disease vector into a man-made (iatrogenic) one. [5] Wont it be great when polio is eradicated, polio vaccination is discontinued, and there are 0 cases of wild or vaccine-derived polio anywhere? Were so close! Dont you want to end polio vaccination? By the way, wheres the picture? TRUTH SAYER THEY JUST GAVE POLIO A NEW NAME Oh, you mean that disease that isnt caused by polio virus and doesnt have the same symptoms as polio? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/279b27a1b6cc8ba14a715b1c5fbf75651fd4089fbdc69ee22e3ba099ffd10113.jpg We were closer before vaccination it was a mild disease with few complications now Gates has made it a super population reducing bug https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48bf595f6ecac7b9850c0a62fb384bb7bfacd1b59048d338d4d7c1825c8c0eea.jpg Hmmmmm, so we were closer to eradicating polio when tens of thousands of people all over the world were afflicted with a paralyzing disease than when weve contained it to three countries and less than a hundred cases? Wow, I didnt know math worked that way! And why didnt somebody tell those kids in the iron lungs that polio is just a mild disease with few complications? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fbc5124234d532f84bdd2e62bd17c07552c6cd37a27b5a4bc97039e6dff9fbaf.png THE POLIO FIGURES WITH VACCINATION WERE HIDDEN AS NON PARALYTIC THE VACCINATED CHILDREN OFTEN ENDED UP IN IRON LUNGS WHICH MEANT THAT AFTER A FEW WEEKS THEIR LUNG MUSCLES ATROPHIED AND THEY COULD NEVER COME OFF THEM THIS WAS ANOTHER PART OF THE SCAM That success, held aloft as a banner of the industry, is an illusion. The CDC has an awesome power of control over public perception, sculpting it from behind closed doors in Atlanta, with the point of a pen. Over the last sixty years in the U.S., more than a million cases of what would have been diagnosed as polio pre-vaccine same symptoms were given different labels. The change didnt stop there, however. As addressed in the Ratner report, they also changed the definition of a polio epidemic, greatly reducing the likelihood that any subsequent outbreaks would be so labeled as though the severity, or noteworthiness, of paralytic polio had halved, overnight. Its summed up thusly in the report: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d74da67b25b78ba8ad2f305cd3cc4d076c1d2af8b31899cf0fb45304c236f8ac.jpg Paralysis is a symptom of many conditions. Polio is a specific disease caused by a specific virus. Paralysis is not the same thing as polio. POLIO IS MISDIAGNOSED OFTEN WHEN YOU WANT TO PRETEND THAT VACCINATION WORKS . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aac0258ba5c23500584033590132a1b05a0532b144d1f36275d9a5590e9bd66a.jpg The antigens in 10,000 vaccines. Please list the 69-doses of 16 vaccines. Oh, right! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7400a638debe81ca17ecaa387a20099dd86c6749c6916fb99e812e99ee08f461.png Aysia died early in the morning, only four days after she received the 2 month vaccines. Little Aysia was happy and healthy prior to that doctors appointment. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/db803d4dd02df195a54efbfe15e81f90dc01bcc820f64b629d266d3336e80b7b.jpg Post hoc ergo propter hoc? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f3bf36b24f82d331f6dcd15304094ba9411c3bfdbf3822fd1fda57bd9748e9bc.jpg You left out India where the vaccine caused more polio than they would have naturally had. Opps excuse me it was NON POLIO ACUTE FLACCID PARALYSIS, that was caused by the polio vaccine. What does NON mean to you? He doesnt have a clue, of course. BILL GATES GAVE POLIO TO INDIA AND AFRICA WITH HIS LIVE VACCINE Gates invented the OPV now? Ya learn something new every day! I NEVER SAID HE INVENTED IT YOU DUMBO IT IS A SALK DERIVATIVE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8bbd9a3c528ad573e5ee4c97a4debd7d35bbcc305f34b74815f5c22ba4bbd05e.png Wrong! Sabin developed the OPV. WHO CARES WHO DEVELOPED KILLER VACCINES WHATs it got to do with the argument when 1000s of Indians and Africans are dying of this OPV. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1dc11c3b6718c3b49c575d68e8d1d5ca95f00ab5dec71dd793923c4bbaed0c85.jpg He doesnt care that he is wrong, he told us so No, the Sabin vaccine is not a derivative of the Salk vaccine. They were both developed independently. I DONT CARE THEY BOTH KILL AND MAIM your all excited because you think you have made a great discovery lol GET PERTUSSIS JAG AND THEN GET DIABETES https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fc397c0fb41fe6a154ad500019299148f23407c459cfbea5ae64ac5a3137143.jpg Please learn the difference between correlation and causation. TYPICAL TROLL BOOK PHRASE It means vaccines dont work lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4e20740cf5ef3436a12507de249d8777aae1ea17eea2fee1f8d03c517bb8f849.jpg THEY JUST CHANGED THE NAME TO VAPP This report, however, is highly misleading, as an estimated 100-180 Indian children are diagnosed with vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP) each year. In fact, the clinical presentation of the disease, including paralysis, caused by VAPP is indistinguishable from that caused by wild polioviruses, making the PGEIs pronouncements all the more suspect.1 According to the Polio Global Eradication Initiatives own statistics2 there were 42 cases of wild-type polio (WPV) reported in India in 2010, indicating that vaccine-induced cases of polio paralysis (100-180 annually) outnumber wild-type cases by a factor of 3-4. Even if we put aside the important question of whether or not the PGEI is accurately differentiating between wild and vaccine-associated polio cases in their statistics, we still must ask ourselves: should not the real-world effects of immunization, both good and bad, be included in PGEIs measurement of success? For the dozens of Indian children who develop vaccine-induced paralysis every year, the PGEIs recent declaration of India as nearing polio free status, is not only disingenuous, but could be considered an attempt to minimize their obvious liability in having transformed polio from a natural disease vector into a manmade (iatrogenic) one. So whats better Only an antivaxer*, or a brain dead imbecile* would choose option B) *categories not mutually exclusive. DID YOU NOT READ THE ABOVE THE VACCINATED POLIO IS 3-4 TIMES WORSE THAN THE WILD POLIO . MMR DAMAGED BOY TOOK THE Bs 17 years to pay compensation https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b21833b2fa8446f20f1edd481be20bbbfb4f6850e14392ff666c4bf1796f3f4.jpg I read it. NO THEY ARE UP THEY JUST RECLASSIFY THE DISEASE need to get some work done will be back tomorrow to shoot you down in flames SWINE FLU NARCOLEPSY :- THEY WERE TOUTING THAT MANUFACTURED SCAM AROUND BUT I NEVER FELL FOR THEIR SALES PITCH DID YOU :- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15420131d8068be19501ac922eb5af6625f439f08150f4623604afdd311ceb49.jpg JONAS SALKs VACCINE CAUSED MORE THAN 38000 CASES OF POLIO PARALYSIS AND MILLIONS OF CASES OF CANCER https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0386743a4ba54e99761ac582957c1f2ffe7c306d5d622a4d73f9f91630f1204.jpg Knew you couldnt answer. GET POLIO VAX THEN END UP WITH POLIO but call it another name lol A report in India last January, from the second largest business newspaper in India LiveMint, with an exclusive relationship with the Wall Street Journal, records: Most experts will tell you the cases of NPAFP have increased because of better surveillance. This is bunkum, said Puliyel. As per global benchmarks, as polio incidence comes down, the rate of NPAFP should also reduce. Instead, AFP cases have been increasing steadily. Er, Salks vaccine wasnt live virus. There can be no thimerosal in live virus vaccines, eg, the oral polio vaccine. YES IT WAS LIVE AND COULD SHED IN THE STOOLS TO GIVE EVERYONE POLIO. WRONG AND CONFUSED ON EVERY COUNT Need to get back to your little troll booklets . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb64ab993f2a5255c027b2c0ffad6afa0acd7260dd667ba2edee82d8ce911d90.jpg Youre wrong, bub! And there cannot be thimerosal in LIVE virus vaccines; it will kill the viruses. That one is wrong about EVERYTHING KATHY = FALLS ANGEL = ALL VIRUSES ARE TECHNICALLY DEAD especially outside of the body lol lol hahahh hehheh its in your troll booklets somewhere. BUT if the virus was utterly destroyed what would be the point of vaccination lol Your brains have been attenuated THE FLU VIRUS IS NOT KILLED BY THIMEROSAL THATS WHY PEOPLE GET AWFUL FLU AFTER VACCINATION . CDC = Do flu vaccines contain thimerosal ? Now the flu virus is dead UNTIL in enters a cell then it disrupts the cellular apparatus and multiplies exceedingly. So called live viruses shed for weeks infecting everyone Weston Price Furthermore, vaccine recipients can carry diseases in the back of their throat and infect others while displaying no symptoms of a disease.11,12,13 Numerous scientific studies indicate that children who receive a live virus vaccination can shed the disease and infect others for weeks or even months afterwards. Thus, parents who vaccinate their children can indeed put others at risk, explains Leslie Manookian, documentary filmmaker and activist. Manookians award winning documentary, The Greater Good, aims to open a dialog about vaccine safety. Both unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals are at risk from exposure to those recently vaccinated. Vaccine failure is widespread; vaccine-induced immunity is not permanent and recent outbreaks of diseases such as whooping cough, mumps and measles have occurred in fully vaccinated populations. 14,15 Flu vaccine recipients become more susceptible to future infection after repeated vaccination.16, 17 Health officials should require a two-week quarantine of all children and adults who receive vaccinations, says Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation. This is the minimum amount of time required to prevent transmission of infectious diseases to the rest of the population, including individuals who have been previously vaccinated. Injectable flu vaccine is not live virus, no matter how much you want it to be. Sally Forth is wrong. This shedding stuff is hogwash. ALL VIRUS IS DEAD EVEN THE LIVE ONES -lol You cant understand this get your troll books out . The flu virus is dead when injected than it shakes off the attenuation and enters our cells to become alive in a sense since it hijacks the cells machinery to replicate Thats why the vaccinated are warned by the MANUFACTURERS about shedding the virus to your family. Catching flu normally is the best way I wont charge you for this lesson lol Catching flu normally can kill you. VERY RARELY ONLY ABOUT 3 CONFIRMED FLU DEATHS IN THE USA Another flu death of an otherwise healthy person after receiving the flu vaccine has been reported in Wisconsin. McQuestions mother said her daughter was healthy, beautiful and smart. She married in September, and her funeral was held on Tuesday. (Source.) BUT WHAT WOULD ONE EXPECT FROM A LIVE FLU VIRUS Only three confirmed flu deaths in the USA? Seriously? I know the CDC reports flu and pneumonia deaths together FOR ADULTS, but pediatric deaths are reported separately, and last year, a mild flu year, CDC does not count how many people die from flu each year. Unlike flu deaths in children, flu deaths in adults are not nationally reportable. During the 2015-2016 season, overall influenza activity was moderate, with a lower percentage of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness (ILI), lower hospitalization rates, and a lower percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (PI) compared with the preceding three seasons (2012-2013, 2013-2014, and 2014-2015). . . . As of September 15, 2016, a total of 85 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated pediatric deaths occurring during the 2015-2016 flu season were reported to CDC from Puerto Rico, the District of Columbia, and 33 states. . . . Since influenza-associated pediatric mortality became a nationally-notifiable condition during the 2004-2005 season, the total number of influenza-associated pediatric deaths has ranged from 37 to 171. (This excludes the 2009 pandemic, when 358 pediatric deaths were reported to CDC during April 15, 2009, through October 2, 2010.) Source: http://www cdc gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2015-2016 htm So Katherine caught the flu despite being vaccinated. Sad, but it happens. KATHERINE CAUGHT THE FLU THROUGH THE VACCINATION OBVIOUSLY The grossly inflated 36,000 number likely comes from the CDCs lumping of flu and pneumonia together, although most pneumonia deaths are unrelated to influenza. Its no secret that the CDC exaggerates flu hospitalization and death numbers to scare Americans into getting the flu shot. Glen Nowak, former communications director for the CDCs National Immunization Program, openly admitted to this during a 2004 presentation to the AMA. Sources. Only influenza A is known to have caused influenza pandemics. It is estimated that each year influenza causes an average of 13,500 hospitalisations and more than 3,000 deaths among Australians aged over 50 years. The highest rates of hospitalisation are seen in children under 5 and the elderly YOU JUST MADE UP THE FIGURES You are confusing influenza with pneumonia When the 1918 spanish flu pandemic happened they could not even identify viruses FOOD FREEDOM :- The first report came as a press release on August 19, 2008, from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID): Bacteriologic and histopathologic results from published autopsy series clearly and consistently implicated secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratorytract bacteria in most influenza fatalities. People were killed by common bacteria found in the upper respiratory tract, according to research uncovered by F. William Engdahl: The 20 to 40 million deaths worldwide from the great 1918 Influenza Pandemic were NOT due to flu or a virus, but to pneumonia caused by massive bacterial infection. The NIAID press release did not, however, address what caused the bacterial infections, but research by Dr. Karen Starko does. She implicates aspirin, dovetailing with the NIAID research on pneumonia from massive bacterial infection, and goes further in also explaining the extreme rapidity of death: Mortality was driven by 2 overlapping clinical-pathologic syndromes: an early, severe acute respiratory distress (ARDS)-like condition, which was estimated to have caused 10%-15% of deaths (sequential autopsy series are lacking); and a subsequent, aggressive bacterial pneumonia superinfection, which was present in the majority of deaths. order family medicine herb seed pack In looking at reports of those who died, two distinct groups became readily apparent to Starko, based on a very distinctive time frame from health to death: 1. People who died of pneumonia from a bacteria infection became sick and things deteriorated at varying rates from there to death; and 2. People who died so astoundingly fast that those deaths became a classic part of the frightening legend of the 1918 flu people perfectly well in the morning and dead within a matter of hours. In both groups, aspirin is now the likely causative agent. For the first group, the pneumonias, aspirin suppresses the immune system, allowing bacterial infections to take hold. Doctors at the time were relating pneumonias to the use of aspirin. I did not lose a single case of influenza; my death rate in the pneumonias was 2.1%. The salycilates, including aspirin and quinine, were almost the sole standbys of the old school and it was a common thing to hear them speaking of losing 60% of their pneumonias. There is one drug which directly or indirectly was the cause of the loss of more lives than was influenza itself. You all know that drug. It claims to be salicylic acid. Aspirins history has been printed. Today you dont know what the sedative action of salicylic acid is. It did harm in two ways. Its indirect action came through the fact that aspirin was taken until prostration resulted and the patient developed pneumonia. Three hundred and fifty cases and lost one, a neglected pneumonia that came to me after she had taken one hundred grains of aspirin in twenty-four hours. contd Unlike you I am not a liar,I do know the difference between influenza and pneumonia,I posted a link for you but it is held in moderation.Just google flu deaths in Australia and see who the liar is. This troll is so deranged with wrongness and ignorance that he is beyond help. THATS WHY PEOPLE GET AWFUL FLU AFTER VACCINATION .you made this statement,then explain to me why I have not had the Flu for more than ten years even though I had the Flu shot every year for those years. Q NO 1 YOU ARE LYING with made up personal anecdotal evidence https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9f93ee076483786db31e45213822492fc893e67b7a17dc910c6e97a51ba23207.jpg AND I HAVE NEVER HAD FLU OR FLU VACCINATION IN THE LAST 30 YEARS and now you are lying with anecdotal evidence,SEE HOW IT WORKS? WHAT AN EEJIT YOU ARE I was showing your hypocrisy if you are a troll pharma is in deep trouble lol Still waiting for your evidence that I am a paid troll. Still waiting for your evidence that you are not ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7eb05988bda928060f86800a8d5efdb43cbef9acafb9f95c96faad4a4a220260.jpg You made the claim first,so the burden of proof is on you. What a bore you are Kev are you like that in your real life persona as well Still cant provide the evidence? IF IT LOOKS LIKE A TROLL , QUACKS LIKE A TROLL , POSTS LIKE A TROLL , And thats the best you can do? QUACK ! So you dont know? POLIO WAS A MILD DISEASE UNTIL VACCINATION LIKE A COLD BILLIONS AND MILLIONS GET COLDS VERY FEW ARE HARMED . Many get colds without even noticing this was the case with polio until vaccination ESPECIALLY FOR DIPHTHERIA According to Dr. Suzanne Humphries M.D., shortly after 1955, a cover-up was created to hide the fact that the polio vaccine was even spreading polio. Dr. Humphries went on to explain how a deadly live polio virus strain had infected the Salk vaccines and created an epidemic of polio-type diseases labeled aseptic meningitis or Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP). The term AFP includes Guillain-Barre syndrome aka French Polio, traumatic neuritis, Reyes syndrome, enteroviral encephalitis, transverse myelitis, and poliomyelitis. Dr. Humphries displayed a graph in her article showing how reports of polio leveled out while AFP cases continually soared since the mid-1990s, demonstrating that polio has not disappeared. WHALE I said that my gut said that there was a link, because up until that time polio had floated around happily giving everyone natural immunity with just the very odd, amazingly rare clinical presentation. After 1874, there was an explosion in paralysis, and all the things so emotional shown in old news reels. And more people got paralytic polio with the use of the toxin anti-toxin diphtheria horse serum in the 1890s.Hilary Butler Provocation polio. That is the truth about those outbreaks of polio. And I offer a well considered personal opinion that polio is a man made disease.Viera Scheibner. [See: Provocation polio] and if you wondered where polio went to then you may glean some idea from this : In June of 1959all non-paralytic cases of poliomyelitis were to be henceforth recorded as meningitis, viral or aseptic, a disease which itself only became reportable in 1952 (Canada).Catherine Diodati MA (Immunization History, Ethics, Law and Health p116) [See: Hiding polio] Mike? You know that vimeo link you provided a while ago? How long is that video? No it went UP AFTER the vaccine. Lie, Roy! See this: http://www post-polio org/ir-usa html Which numbers are smaller than 38,476, Roy? The numbers were declining rapidly before the vaccine and they went up after the vaccine not at their previous level but they still went up and then kept declining at the same rate as they did before the vaccines. The increases after vaccination were ameliorated by vaccine pushers because they went back to calling all the diseases, they had previously called polio, to what they really were ( aseptic meningitis, guillian barre syndrome etc. No they werent, Roy. Are you *that* innumerate? Look at the 5 years before the vaccine Polio is caused by the polio vaccine. YOU ARE JUST PULLING THESE FIGURES OUT OF THE CDC HAT Unbeknownst to most doctors, the polio-vaccine history involves a massive public health service makeover during an era when a live, deadly strain of poliovirus infected the Salk polio vaccines, and paralyzed hundreds of children and their contacts. These were the vaccines that were supposedly responsible for the decline in polio from 1955 to 1961! But there is a more sinister reason for the decline in polio during those years; in 1955, a very creative re-definition of poliovirus infections was invented, to cover the fact that many cases of polio paralysis had no poliovirus in their systems at all. Even during the peak epidemics, unifactorial poliovirus infection, resulting in long-term paralysis, was a low-incidence disease[2] that was falsely represented as a rampant and violent crippler by Basil OConnors March Of Dimes advertising campaigns. At the same time as Basil OConnor was pulling in 45 million dollars a year to fund the Salk vaccine development, scientists started to realize that other viruses like Coxsackie, echo and enteroviruses, could also cause polio. They also discussed the fact that lead, arsenic, DDT, and other commonly-used neurotoxins, could identically mimic the lesions of polio. During the great epidemics in the United States, the pathology called polio was reversed by alternative medical doctors who attested to great success, using detoxification procedures available at the time yet they were categorically ignored[3]. Now it is admitted in the medical literature that other viruses can cause polio, yet few people on the street have any idea. Oh, right, Suzanne has some special information the rest of us dont have. In the first part of your post, you are describing the Cutter Incident a horrific accident the likes of which will hopefully never happen again. http://www skepticalob com/2014/05/six-red-flags-you-need-to-recognize-to-quack-proof-yourself html CUTTER INCIDENTS ARE HAPPENING ALL THE TIME WITH VACCINATION MORE SMALLPOX FROM VACCINATION https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e606c07c0e68214ff0625e07a03d6be16d1fe4c0cbfa787449bceb898bdeb2a9.jpg You cant get smallpox from the smallpox vaccine! It has no smallpox virus in it! SMALL POX , COW POX , SYPHILIS INJECTED IN A VACCINE WILL GIVE YOU THE POX IN THE FAMILY OF VACCINIA ALL POX VACCINATION LIBERATION INFORMATION In a 1905 letter to anti-vaccinist Chas Higgins of New York, Parke Davis Co. described what little it knew about the smallpox vaccine it produced. No one seems to know the exact nature of this product. It would seem to us, however, that the theory that cowpox is but modified smallpox, is the most tenable one. Syphilis is a spirochaete, not a pox virus. YOU DID NOT READ IT THE SYPHILIS CAME FROM THE HANDS OF THE MAIDS SO SMALLPOX VAX ACTUALLY GAVE THE POOR SODS SYPHILIS Much the same happens to day with all the pus and literally crap that is in vaccines . Boing! LOL, Suzi outed herself as a quack when she said Unbeknownst to most doctors. People who claim special knowledge are a special breed of quack. I THOUGHT THATS WHAT TROLLS DO CLAIM SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE when they cant even get a proper job . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ff42027e5743cc51d4d6d002880da31ed186fae4c79ab99b1a84e64529f2986.jpg I never claimed any special knowledge; my links always go to reliable scientific sources. I worked in nursing for 45 years. Ive earned my retirement, bub! UNPROVABLE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE FROM A TROLL WITH NO DOUBLE BLIND PEER REVIEWED PUBLISHED PAPER LOL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/613d84fa82d934950d24b142cb1d4b8400b78abc6ebace4d0550953ab2ed0853.jpg The polio epidemic was almost over when the vaccine came out so in order to No, the polio epidemic was not almost over. The vaccine came out in 1955, had been under development for several years. 1952 saw the worst epidemic ever. As these diseases do, the next years numbers were lower, but the number rose again in 1954 and only the vaccine stopped it from peaking again. That SV-40 is now part of our genome is hogwash. Your preventive works as well as getting rid of cats did, ie, not at all. Maybe SV40 isnt part of your genome, but personally I identify as a human-common cold hybrid. No kidding. YOU LIE THE POLIO EPIDEMIC WAS STARTED BY VACCINATION Natural Society :- Polio peaked in the early 1950s and was on its way out prior to the introduction of the Salk polio vaccine. Then came the oral polio vaccine (OPV) invented by Albert Sabin using attenuated live viruses. This was designed to create viral shedding from those vaccinated to those not vaccinated, thus immunizing them also. Nice theory, but the reality was live viruses contained in OPVs tended to recombine and mutate into a fourth, more virulent wild virus polio strain. There have even been cases in the United States where parents were stricken with polio from OPV viruses while changing their vaccinated babies diapers. The dangerous oral polio vaccines were eventually banned in America and other industrialized nations, but the vaccine manufacturers managed to push them off to third world countries that not only paid for them, but agreed to enforce the OPVs on their populations. A Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation program in India was promoted as The Last Mile: Eradicating Polio in India. but has increased the POLIO incidence instead Oh, how ridiculous! Theres no need to respond to this except to say that OPV has not been banned in the US. The need for it does not exist any more. Weve eliminated polio here. Many diseases have AFP as a SYMPTOM (since you like caps so much!). THE REAL STORY OF THE POLIO CON :- Dr. Buchwald responds that prior to the introduction of polio vaccinations in Germany, anyone was counted as having polio, even if they only had the virus in their feces. It is known, he goes on, that there are people who are healthy but who evacuate polio viruses when they go to the bathroom. Based on this criteria, the number of cases was approximately 4,000 per year. After the introduction of the vaccine, statistics included only those polio cases of people who were paralyzed for at least six weeks.Testimony of Dr Buchwald MD A former public health officer, Dr Ratner, reported that just before the introduction of the first polio vaccine the National Foundation For Infant Paralysis was paying physicians $25 for each reported diagnosis. A patient would walk into a doctors office with a limp from an accident. Hed say he had a fever a few days agoand guess what the diagnosis would be? Because the Salk vaccine was promoted as being incapable of causing polio, cases that occurred following administration of the vaccine were denied, and excluded from the Vaccine injury table(4) Many doctors refuse to report vaccine reaction, and I worked out that of over 200 families of vaccine damaged children contacting JABS, the support group, only about 3% had been reported damaged by their doctor. In the USA the FDA admits that 90% of vaccine damage cases go unreported(4). Whale! Nuff said! Then show us the diseases flatlining prior to vaccination. Mind, we are expecting morbidity charts and not mortality ones. Yes who care about the families of the 40 DEAD CHILDREN right Kathy? 150 injuries per year? Maybe reading that story about denial and under reporting didnt influence your cold heart and sociopathic thinking. VACCINE ROULETTE I KNOW SO MANY THAT HAVE THESE DISEASES YET BEFORE VACCINATION THEY WERE RARE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/290bee427919add495cd07908e0fe68e95dd2c6a2244843386f487ad57039e79.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8cec425f9193879731cef6dcb3be32809d591d46eea8239264fc3bc6c22b546.jpg Which is larger, 1 in 10 (cervical cancer death rate, given 40,000 new diagnoses annually, with 4,000 deaths) or, arguendo*, 1 in 912? What about new cases and deaths from other** cancers (that lack an early screening method like the pap test), where the rates are even higher? What about those who survive their cancers, but suffer invasive treatments, pain and disability? If only these outcomes were preventable. Say, with a vaccine. *Because, frankly, there is no evidence supporting any claim of causality in deaths reported to follow HPV vaccination. **Perhaps replacing site-specific anatomical terms with the generic other will permit this comment to escape auto-mod. Srsly, @Moderators: your algorithm allows the most egregious memes, but chokes on properly named body parts? Totally unintelligible WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU GRABLING ON ABOUT. HPV IS GOING TO BEAT ALL THE OTHER VACCINES FOR DEATH AND DISABILITY IT DOES NOT EVEN HAVE ANY EFFICACY. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7be7b19c6bebde83ddae99c7929fedc5e356ca36f0c50cc741f3d60979e767c.jpg Whether 1 in 10 is a larger number than 1 in 912 is a simple question. Can you answer it? SO IF SAY 40,000 WOMEN LIVE SAY ANOTHER 40 YEARS THEN 40 WILL BE DEAD WITHOUT VACCINATION BUT IF 40,000 WERE VACCINATED THE DEATHS WILL BE 40,000/912 = 43 DEAD But another problem is the vaccine hardly covers the main types of HPV. Another problem is knowing the dishonesty of these companies the 938 will be gross understatement Your figures are wrong your 1 in 10 is not comparable with the 1 in 912 Sorry about your arithmetic common core skills I see the answer is no then. Thanks for the lulz, nworder. CERTAINLY DONT GET THE HPV or you have more chance of dying than just leaving it to nature thats what their own arithmetic says . But they didnt even take into account the devastating illnesses the HPV causes. You could get the great arithmetician Jonathan to check your arithmetic if hes not actually you. OMG That article minimizes the side effects of vaccines. Evidenceagain? Ah another criticism of WHALE back to Facebook again. People on Facebook are going to have to thank you Sammy for all that vaccine info on WHALE. Since you want to bring this up.You left out how the ROTHSCHILDS financed both sides in WW 11. Did you get that they financed Hitler. And can you explain why Israel tried to sink the US ship the USS Liberty during the Arab Israeli war? Im waiting Oh and you dont believe that international banks control the world. A local history teacher she told his class that they do. Was he wrong? And bingo. Out come the antisemitic conspiracy theories from your own keyboard, thus validating my approach with you. Youve been uncovered for what you are. It figured that someone so attached to the whale website would probably cleave to the owners own bigotry. Im not a bigot if I was I wouldnt have voluntarily coached powerlifting to people of all races and creeds. But I dont deny historical facts because it might offend some people either. People of all races and creeds have committed horrible crimes and none of them should have special protection. Bigots dont have to think every race forms a huge evil international conspiracy. One is enough for the label to fit. Oh ok so we should never say the Romans tried to conquer the know world. or the Germans started WW11 or the Japanese were excessively cruel to war prisoners Sammy of history offends any race or creed maybe just maybe they shouldnt have done anything to end up in history books. You like fiction, dont you? Yes, your posts are very entertaining. If you like them, read them, and stop posting links to 1970s sitcoms. 1970 sitcoms are somewhat more realistic than your posts. Your posts and references to the Brady bunch is a good mixture of humor and nonsense. From his reply, its clear he doesnt understand fractions (or what belongs in the numerator versus the denomenator), but maybe thatll help. I also thought about mentioning the calculator on all devices of which many seem to be clueless. I keep picturing a FarSide cartoon panel with a horned devil-figure at a desk in he11. On the desk and behind him on the bookshelves are books whose titles are all riffs on Word Problems, More Problems, etc. Every single one. I dont even remember, if it had a caption, what it said. The image alone spoke volumes (pun intended). I think it illustrates the POV from inside nworders head quite nicely. Ask and thou shalt receive.. Hells Library: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3e64d93899892108333f8bb7c554359ae3eb8b2785517da80382ab246743421d.jpg YOU MESSED UP THE ARITHMETIC dear lol dont get sore about it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1dc11c3b6718c3b49c575d68e8d1d5ca95f00ab5dec71dd793923c4bbaed0c85.jpg Sono evidence. 70 VACCINES by 18 years old will turn America into zombie land https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba862a798adfe66e2dfe7db74851238c6ac7cf5257048e6150635712b34b3d5.jpg A person like you could be presented with overwhelming evidence and still stick to your belief. Prove to the rest of us that vaccines are safe, that Global Warming, later changed to the meaningless Climate Change are both real. Sounds like you are another Realist with nothing to stand on but the Propaganda and skewed BS you have been spoon-fed. I havent had any vaccines since I was forced to as a Child, and nothing has killed me yet. Better to keep your immune system up and take steps to avoid contamination from others, including the newly-vaccinated zombies. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba862a798adfe66e2dfe7db74851238c6ac7cf5257048e6150635712b34b3d5.jpg OK, you had those two vaccines, so you had 201 antigens. Big diff, huh? Can you prove that? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c130cc76eddfc381705d7df2933291f86edfba653b15beef3bb6a93b92945cdd.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba862a798adfe66e2dfe7db74851238c6ac7cf5257048e6150635712b34b3d5.jpg I asked for evidence, not claims. Right. Just google Al Gore. he invented the Inernet and created the Carbon Tax scam with his good Criminal buddy, Ken Ley, of Enron fame and now doing something useful like pushing up Daisies. As for myself, I can actually think. Maybe you should try that sometime. You havent shown us one thing that proves anything, but you are very good at pretending you know something. As for me, I am enjoying watching the bubbles in my beer https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03ead76900f1c9d792d52e6321d87a1f3f13bbb5bf3005929d96652787f35f1a.jpg So whats your point? To demonstrate to me that you have been edumacated? Go ahead, chase your tail until the cows come home. You might like this. A cow and Gov. Brown, the Commie ass-sniffer: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/398225c71dde920d7d06f1acf87e821a5ad8affb7fbf6d5a305ab624c3dcd047.jpg REFERENCES ARE AT THE END Why dont you just post a reference instead of a big fluff article. So effectively we remove a mouse liver and give it different doses of vaccine and look at the apoptosis rate. Two obvious criticisms is that it looks like each case was performed only once since theres no mention of variability. Theres also no discussion of the clinical relevance of the doses used. BUT HOW WOULD YOU KNOW YOU ARE NOT MEDICALLY TRAINED TO SPOUT OFF ON RESEARCHERS WHO ARE IN BUSINESS of earning an honest living. AUTISM :- BUT HOW WOULD YOU KNOW Simple the study doesnt show how they calculated the dose to make it clinically relevant and it says that it didnt replicate and the figures have any error bars. I actually do know how to do these calculations. This combined with that its in vitro and murine. Puts it pretty low on the evidence tree. ANYONE can do calculations its meaningful calculations that count even water would be better than the 1000s of toxins in vaccinations https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a845ef2525e808a80510ec7a09fe6eb40752d636583d269e76c73a8cb153b638.jpg ANYONE can do calculations Well its interesting that you didnt notice that the reference which is the main source of your quoted fluff article is missing them. BREAKING NEWS CHICKEN POX OUTBREAK IN 97% VACCINATED JUST HOW USELESS VACCINATION IS . Dave Mihalovic, Prevent Disease A county in the western part of Indiana is the site of the nations largest current chickenpox outbreak, according to news reports. An epidemiologist has confirmed that out of the cases analyzed, 97 percent of the children were vaccinated. Vigo County has now seen over 84 cases of the varicella-zoster virus (chicken pox) marked by itchy blisters on the body, fever, stomach ache and headache since September and the count is currently well over 100. Vigo County usually has less than 10 cases a year; however, since the end of September, Vigo County has reported 84 cases which would meet the definition of an unusual occurrence of disease, To cover-up the wild increase for the disease, public health officials are blaming one unvaccinated child as the cause despite 97 percent of vaccinated children contracting chicken pox. The Indiana Coalition for Vaccination Choice reported on their Facebook page: Placed another call to the Indiana State Department of Health. Was able to reach the epidemiologist working the chicken pox outbreak. Possibly one hospitalization but not sure off the top of their head. Zero complications from chicken pox. We were told that only one chicken pox vaccine was supposed to provide lifelong immunity but this did not turn out to be the case. A booster was added and yet we are seeing a very high rate of fully vaccinated children contracting chicken pox. It would be nice if you provided some type of link so we could look this up ourselves. You know, the old trust but verify thing. But I dont know why the 10 would have only received one dose of vaccine. The recommendation has been two doses since 2006, 10 years ago now. The last paragraph is a bunch of lies. Yes, the vaccine was thought to provide lifetime immunity when it came out in 1995. I wondered about that at the time, as second cases of chickenpox disease are known to happen. Then the second dose was recommended. That line about vaccine failure is a lie. Of course disease is vaccine failure. Every vaccine is known to have a small failure rate. The epidemiologist is no epidemiologist. They probably got hold of the janitor. It is well known that chickenpox caused 100-150 deaths per year in the US prior to the vaccine. That would be Eisenstein, who was fined $30 million for the infant deaths caused in his medical practice? Yeah, it would be. IT WAS A HOME BIRTH THAT EISENSTEIN WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH BUT THE DOCTORS INVOLVED WERE USED IN HIS PRACTICE NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINATION OR ITS $ 3 BILLION IN VACCINATION DAMAGE PAYOUTS WHICH WOULD BE 100 TIMES GREATER IF VACCINE VICTIMS WERE ALLOWED TO SUE. The Chicago Tribune :- Howeys wife, Karen, was a Homefirst patient transferred to Weiss Memorial Hospital on Chicagos North Side after her labor failed to progress at home. Peter Rosi, a veteran of Eisensteins practice, met her there. When Rosi delivered Nathan Howey, however, the baby was dead. The Howeys contend that Rosi let labor drag on for more than 24 hours after Karens water broke leading to Nathans asphyxiation when Rosi should have ordered a Caesarean section much earlier. Rosi said the fetal monitor showed that the baby was fine before birth and he still doesnt know why Nathan was born dead. Nevertheless, Rosi later testified that some people at Weiss felt that I was responsible for this childs demise. The hospital, he testified, instructed him never to come back. Exactly a year after Nathans death, Karen Howey gave birth to twin girls. She included a tribute titled My Brother Nathan in each girls baby scrapbook. Nathan, she wrote, was born into heaven. He got to see Jesus right away. Daddy and Mommy were very sad. We asked God to heal us. And He did. The Howeys sued and settled their case with Eisensteins practice and with Weiss. Doctors who deliver babies for a living are bound to get sued. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says doctors in the specialty typically face 2.6 malpractice suits during their careers. Eisensteins practice has faced at least 19 malpractice cases in the last three decades, and two Homefirst doctors were involved in 15 of those cases more than whats typical. In 80 percent of the cases involving those two doctors, a jury either sided with the plaintiffs or the cases were settled, court records show. 19 malpractice cases, most settled in favour of the plaintiffs, huh? I wouldnt take a sick dog within 100 miles of Eisenstein. WHAT ABOUT THE $3000,000.000 IN VACCINATION DAMAGE WOULD YOU GET VACCINATED ? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5e3544adcdb196ae96a520c149e3785bcc42581875455c65cb3524a9b64c573.png $3 billion over 27 years amounts to under one successful vaccine claim per million shots, attesting to a very good safety record. $3 billion over 5 YEARS you were lying for effect Natural News :- From now on, drug companies selling vaccines in America will not be held accountable by a jury of our peers in a court of law if those vaccines brain damage us but could have been made less toxic. 2 Eisensteins personal safety record was excellent he never poisoned child with vaccines after realising the truth . Not quite, Mike. Minor Quibble. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cffae141f431ffa48511d64c826df176f42f902728cc7ad1202813edb2cf430.jpg I did say under! Since most vaccine damage cases are not reported that 3 billion dollars is nothing compared to what it would be if people were allowed to sue vaccine manufacturers directly. If suing directly were allowed it would porvide a greater incentive for lazy people to do something about their vaccine damaged children. Why is it people are free to sue directly when they are damaged by a drug but not vaccines? What you say? Oh vaccines cause far more harm .Oh ok. BUT AUSTRALIA WITH A POP OF ONLY 25 MILLION HAS YOU SAY 3000. NO, I dont say it,my link says it.Read it. YOUR LINK MUST BE POCKLED SINCE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMERICA AND AUSTRALIA IS TOO TOO LARGE Spoken like a true anti vaxxer,I am sure that no matter how many links I provide,you will brush them aside with snide comments,you are so deeply rooted in your beliefs that NOTHING short of a personal catastrophe will ever change your mind. So why do you think people should get vaccinated give us the rationale I have been reading other posters replies to you,explaining to you the benefits of vaccination,the rationale has also been explained to you by other posters and you have ignored them,you even claim my link is no good, Why should I go over everything that others have already told you only to be told by you that it is rubbish? You are a lost cause. NOT REALLY THE RATIONALE HAs NOT BEEN EXPLAINED JUST THE USUAL TROLL GUFF https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c34c554219b823d98af8e1387762505151ecc87176e087fff49415b67f0f4e7f.jpg I will answer your question as soon as you provide evidence that I am a paid troll AHA A CRAFTY GET OUT CLAUSE ! I thought you would delight in telling me the reason for puncturing the skin and injecting the same pathogen that we could catch naturally (with the usual toxic load of adjuvants as they call them ) MEASLES CONQUERED BEFORE VACCINATION https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/40803094c6a2d5517bbf9104e25b29ad683f8bafe1a0462a53a9301f0bf4e53c.jpg HmmmI know nothing about the linefit but lets go with it fails to take account of differing definitions and diagnostic tools. Bet Percentage of unsuccessful pregnancies would go up too when its actually just that we know about earlier miscarriages. Wellthat and: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.png Yes, all that but in particular I pay attention when people extrapolate from a set of data. Especially since the line is hitting each point exactly. In doing so its changing its concavity two or three times. A function which does that must be at least a function with an x^5 in it. Its generally a bad idea to attempt to fit complicated functions like that because theres a theorem which says you can ALWAYS find a perfectly fitting function for n-1 points for any polynomial of order n. So even four points of completely RANDOM data will fit on a nice neat graph of order x^5. Which is why we tend not to model these complicated functions..and it will almost always move wildly up or down after the last point. So whats far more likely is that Seneff is just connecting the dots but if she isthen theres absolutely no reason to extrapolate like that at the end. YOUR PEDANTIC PONTIFICATING ON THE LINE OF BEST FIT MEANS NOTHING TO VACCINE DAMAGED CHILDREN AND BABIES https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e8e9e3a4589e97170ba5344321d17724aa46eb7475ec68f2f021a07e112a80ef.jpg Babies generally dont have much to say about regression analysis. So whether this means anything to a infant is not a good metric. NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated Children How do you explain Kim Staglianos family? Great posts throughout the thread. Thank you. For those who are new to this discussion. Skip a few worthless posts by David Gorskis associated trolls who sit here (and on all other articles about vaccines) under names Al Mather,kfunk, Graham, et al, and start with interesting comments by eddysachs DS? 