Obama Calls Alternative Media Domestic PropagandistsBy Kurt Nimmo If fake news thats being released by some foreign government is almost identical to reports that are being issued through partisan news venues, then its not surprising that that foreign propaganda will have a greater effect, Obama said. It doesnt seem that farfetched compared to some of the other stuff folks are hearing from domestic propagandists. To the extent that our political dialogue is such that everything is under suspicion, everybodys corrupt and everybody is doing things for partisan reasons and all of our institutions are, you know full of malevolent actors and if thats the story that is being put out there, then when a foreign government introduces that same argument, the facts are made up, voters who have been listening to that stuff for years, who have been getting that stuff every day from talk radio or other venues, theyre going to believe it. In other words, if the alternative media investigates and posts a story about the government and this is picked up by Russian state media, then it is a categorical lie. See Obamas remarks here. Kurt Nimmo is the editor of Another Day in the Empire, where this article first appeared. He is the former lead editor and writer of Infowars.com. Donate to ADE Here. There is no bigger domestic propagandist in this country than this I got bin Laden Nobel Peace Prize Kenyan-born Constitutional Law Professor. How about Trump I will deport 11 million illegals or I will clean the swamp (by installing my billiionaire Wall St cronies and neo con war hawks and fascists like Bannon)? Compared to Obamas many lies, Trump wins in a landslide! What difference, at this point, does it make? There are no winners in the Who Is The Biggest Liar game. What difference does it make whether the attack on the gun running operation in Behghazi was triggered by a video which had triggered riots in other ME nations or other motives? What matters is that we realize the truth: the US was smuggling weapons to al Quada in Syria, from Behghazi, thru Turkey to Syria. The rest is just masquerade, cover up. The Benghazi attack was a result of US destruction of Libya, by patriots (those who defend their homeland from foreign invadrs), whatever the trigger was. By taking Clintons quote out of context, you further obscure the truth, which is that both parties know the truth but are afraid to admit a consensus to arm terrorists to take down Assad. Now you know. CIA running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked The Obama administration pursued a policy in Libya back in 2011 that ultimately allowed guns to walk into the hands of jihadists linked to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) and al-Qaeda (AQ) in Syria, according to a former CIA officer who co-authored a report on behalf of the Citizens Commission on Benghazi. breitbart The U.S. special mission in Benghazi and the nearby CIA annex were utilized in part to coordinate arms shipments to the jihadist rebels fighting the Syrian regime, with Ambassador Christopher Stevens playing a central role, documents an explosive new book released today. The activities, which included a separate, unprecedented multi-million-dollar weapons collection effort from Libyan militias who did not want to give up their weapons, may have prompted the Sept. 11, 2012, attack globalresearch. Worth noting: both parties knew about this, and of course, there was no al Quada in Arabia until the Bush criminal war created them. This does not excuse Obama and Clinton (and the Republicans who supported the ME wars) but it traces the original sin back to its origins in the lies that Bush told to create a pretext for a war that was criminal in origins and execution. Look beyond the Dem/Repub fake outs and digest the truth. I know all that, you dont need to lecture me. Both parties are at fault for all of it, I didnt vote for any of them because Im not partisan. Good reply bee the change.d ruff is a know it all Yes, I see that. He has a world class education. Its a pity that didnt include any psychology, manners, vocabulary, logic, or lessons on hubris and humility. I dont know it all; that is why I go to people who have spent their lives studying a subject and submitting it to peer review, which never ends. Name calling is childish, steve. Hes attempting to propagate a false narrative and limited hangouts by replying to you. The Assad clan, like Russian elites, are lackeys for the NWOthe latter a slam dunk proof positive assertion, something a Haaavard pol sci dude should know. Right on target thats why were receiving FLAK Good to see its you, Eddysachs! I wondered if a certain person might take the bait for a good flaying. lol Note to self for next time: need juicier [can of] worms. Yo, eddy. This is the reincarnated OS. Shes baaaack! Cheers so glad youre still viable missed your intrepid perspicacity (lol) just Got who Im talking to (I upvoted you before realizing it was you..so youre leaking out all over the palace as I was drawn to your commentary anyway -lol) Best of luck keeping those good results flowing. What is Isle of View? What do you say to your significant other or your children?..when youre about to hang up the phone?just repeat Isle of View a little faster youll Get it (lol) youll have a good laffff on yourselfamazing how the mind works.forest the trees kind of brain teaser magic.with a beautiful sentiment. How beautiful. I will make that mine, too. Thank you. Thats why I gave it you for X-mass .would have luvvved to be there when you Got the Ah- ha! (lol).cheers Ya, I wrote sentences and got a book reply. Haaaavard, you say? Maybe they get paid by the word like real writers. Cut and paste, yep, Ive gotten the deluge too! Worse, its so tangential as to slip off the reality page. Talkin past each other while being pummeled over the head with Kool-Aid Zeitgeist. Weve had a couple of entertaining jousts, neuroscience chic vs. older Harvard pol sci academic ideologue (probably not paid is my guess) debating geopolitics. Sometimes hilarious in that very ironic wayhad to be there, trust me. Totally with you, as usual. Ive had a few linguistic jousts myself lately, not with Mr. Ruff and Tuff here, elsewhere. Ive noticed a sea change in the Disqus platform. Ive noted another disturbing trend- researching via browser gives up only mainstream sources. Guess Im going to have to find some passion other than debating the Kool-Aid Zeitgeist Haavard Set. Great term BTW, I might borrow it on occasion! Youre my reality check, blue. Yep, were both still here beating our heads against walls, trying to roust the last of the sleepers. I feel like Ive done this all before somewhere else, many times. Youre right on target, every single observation. Your last sentence reflects my exact sentiments, esp. felt powerfully the last few days. Please borrow any and all, Im always honored. Besides, its our nature to learn from each other on our way to warp speed consciousness shifting away from vampires intent on consuming our higher selves. We cant get too comfortable, yet, still hittin the wall. Sister truth warriors, we are. I feel that power surge too, but I usually feel this particular type of portal energy during solstices. These energies can be used very effectively as a gateway for intention setting. Gimme some of that good ol warp speed consciousness shifting. Im particularly looking forward to this coming solstice. Gateway to some very new energies involving convergence, me thinks, ours and theirs. Got my lasso ready, R. Great! I love convergence! Heh, this book Starfish/Spider this is terrific information, just what I needed to gel some stuff Ive been thinking about. I love the writing style and Im totally on board with the decentralization premise and how it works. Thanks for sharing that with whomever it was you were talking with when I butted in. Youre welcome! Ive taken a lot of deep dives into this area. Of late, Ive been thinking about how to clearly distinguish true decentralization with the handcuff versions being foisted in realms of the alt sphere. It always gets down to the tracking and who controls resource allocation, local vs. global, the latter can be made to look appear local when it isnt. Another of my works in progress. Stay tuned! lol Yes heres my work in progress. So far at least, this seems to be the main message of SS- The harder you fight a decentralized opponent, the stronger it gets. This is the key to how to move forward from here. Heres my Apache storythere is a huge discussion taking place all over Montana about the recent vote approving medical marijuana. Actually, this was the THIRD time since 2004 that the referendum had been voted in favor by a large majority of Montanans, but its always beat back by corporate interests and white coats filing lawsuits and other bothersome nonsense. The issue was given to the public to decide but the medical profession claims the public isnt smart enough to understand all the issues. So this doctor decides to lead The Charge of the Dark Brigade and I wade into the battle against her with all guns blazing. This happens to be one of my pet peeves: doctors who lecture on the dangers of cannabis while they push truly dangerous psychotropics, opiates, and antidepressants that are literally killing people. My volunteer EMT Obi Wan husband has the job of scraping these people off the floor after they die from prescription overdoses. The more I argued point for point, the more people appeared out of nowhere and piled on her head, and a major fracas ensued where a lot of good information came to light from a wide variety of sources. I did a lot of damage to her and then disappeared, others took my place. These are all local folks unknown to each other, but in a very short time a truth army formed up and blasted this arrogant doctor into a sniveling mess. So yes, the harder they push, the stronger we get yes, yes, and yes. There are some excellent lessons in a starfish. Awesome story, OS. In a nutshell, decentralized systems have two essential features: theyre highly resilient and capable of rapid learning (rapid annealing of information). Exactly mirroring the strategy of the most elegant information systems in the universe which is evolution (hang with me here!), balance in ecosystems, and homeostasis in complex organisms. Not sure if you have a limited view of evolution or reject it. Clearly the evolution process exists as its been observed in real time in insects and other short lived species and the evidence for it on the longer scale is overwhelming (to include molecular genetics), not a house of cards like climate change and more sound than allopathic medicine (as a science, not as a social/health construct not an apologist here, I tear med sci apart at the drop of a hat and have been since my 20s). imo, theres room for alternative views powerful outside forces have influenced the process. I believe Ive become uber adept at riding the thin lines of dualities, finding the sharp contrasts that guide me to optimal clarity helping me avoid falling into crevasses of limiting perspectives. Thats a discussion for another time. Im just sayin we can glean details of how the process works beautifully from Mother Nature herself evolution reflected in a refining of DNA (rapid annealing and assimilation of new data) being the best example I know, and its a fractal of how ecosystems work the language of mathematics. Contrast this with centralized systems that are inherently brittle and slow to adapt. The old USSR model is a good example. Lots of examples in business models, societies, and ecosytems. One major component goes kaput and the entire system can collapse. I totally see what youre saying. No one could be happier than I am that Darwins theory of evolution be proven wrong. Now that we have birthed new information regarding the electric universe and holographic reality, we are getting very close to The Theory of Everything that actually works without exceptions slapped on like Band Aids. It so freaking exciting every time a piece is brought by some brilliant mind and placed into the puzzle. I felt that excitement just reading the title of SS because I knew it held a key. I read half the book last night. I love all his examples, Craigs List, Burning Man its like a road map to the future. I guess all that freewheeling chaos scares the control freaks but the energy created is liberating. To run with your evolution idea a bit, it clearly does exist in real time and can be seen. I have been watching birds all my life and I can see evolution taking place with my own eyes. It doesnt take millions of years of mistakes called mutations. That whole notion always pissed me off. We are all holograms and fractals of Source, which is the driving force of nature, and these energy waves and blasts that I keep telling you about are the actual mechanism of DNA upgrading. Our own DNA is being upgraded in one lifetime. The notion that we are victims of our genetics is totally wrong. We drive our genetics with our thoughts and our conscious ability to acquire light energy. That notion alone changes EVERYTHING. Because our sun acts as a transformer of these light blasts, stepping them down for organic life to use safely (sunlight feels like love) when you stand in the sunshine and soak it up, you can literally feel your body lighting up inside if you have this conscious awareness of what is taking place. Wow. I freaking LOVE this stuff! I concur!..cheers Nicely articulated. Bravura ! Lmao ! Two wings on the self same vulture (lol) Yes, two Wolves fighting over the flock. Jeeze!I just got that myself visuallyfinally!after staring rt at it understanding the reality but missed the visualCheers for that Ah yes Ziggy Brzezinskis Arc of Crisiss cascading domino underpinings theory as he reports to the BORGs STAKEHOLDERS Think Im gonna hurl some sepsis bile that is stuck in my craw. I have no idea what you mean except is is an insult. When you insult, you lose. Insult ? Good luck w/ that ! You have lost. Adieu. He is not even president yet so stop your jive. Bannon is terrific a brilliant man. Obama lies continuously all he has to do is open his mouth. He singlehandedly destroyed the demon crat party. Obama keep talking trump looks better everyday So you are a neo-fascist like Bannon. Thanks for exposing your true colors. Trump is a pathological liar and has appointed neo con war hawks hot to start WWIII by bombing Iran (military allie of Russian and China), crony billionaires, Wall St tycoons, and of course, the fascist Bannon. Trump has no consent and therefore, according to the Declaration of Independence, has no legitimacy; historically, rulers without consent must rule with violence, iintimidation, and lies. That is why Bannon is there: he is a master of the Big Lie. Ok start the name callingwhat BIG LIE did steve Bannon do again? By the way whether you like or not he is in so get used to it. Trump does not have consent for what? He has already tried to intimidate Dept of Energy and created hostile relations with China and Russia, before taking office! Do you support greater hostility and arms races? [by installing my billiionaire Wall St cronies and neo con war hawks] Oh no! War hawks! Trump must have offered prime war hawk Hillary a position and I have not even read about it yet! Yeah, the same war hawks who claimed Saddam was responsible for 9/11, who wrote the PNAC manifesto for world domination, who still defend the Iraq War, who want to bomb Iran, who want to exterminate Muslims: Woolsey, Hadley, Flynn, Mattis, Boltonall Bush era war hawks who promoted a criminal war costing half a million innocent lives and 4 trillion in debt, spreading al Quada from 1 nation to 33. Wake up! Key grasp of the obvious as its been mostly or similar to this for thousands of years. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d627de6a85328e393aa33eb11ca3a81881e6255f2ed537e93ec1b14a68b6b983.jpg What a cacaphony of paradoxical conundrums. Lets not mince words: the Trump Big Lie is bullshit, a fantasy, a way of pandering to bigots. In his essay Politics and the English Language, Orwell lists rhetoric which covers up the truth: Pretencioius diction He writes: The inflated style itself is a kind of euphemism. A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. Yep no doubt about 100% asymmetrical Machiavellian 4GW/5GW tactics. change blurr obfuscate prevaricate obscure muddy et al the lexicon jargon of convoluted syntax the body poltik pathocracy ponerological kakistocracy working for PTB are inclined mandated to approbate. Creating societal cultural chasms- schisms class division ethnic race religious. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8df6645bd81252ddef4cbc8bc164a31760691be2720a44c3e02a96a73bb9327f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6388464e564ba4639d85f65749850d2bf5d7154b2ad16ecc761bcb95bbc0ef4b.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff89a5cc0993e2797ab1a72bbfcbdf63accf8a883c6d62a58283f8cd05f79788.jpg Yeah, OS, and Obama gave us neo-Bernays mega propagandist Cass Sunstein, Mister Anti-9/11 Truth cognitive infiltration. ignorance is strength. Ha Ha ! Maybe a few in history but incontemporanous history not many indeed. Community organizer -FAIL!! Jesus was a community organizer, as was Obama, who worked for the Catholic Truman ended with 32% approval; Eisenhower at 60%; Johnson at 49%; Nixon at 23%; Ford at 52%; Carter at 33%; Reagan at 62%; Bush I at 55%; Clinton at 66%; Bush II at 32%. Obama is currently at 57%, or higher than any Presidents since WWII except Reagan and Clinton. History will record his 2 terms and high popularity as a success. Do you hate Jesus? More Crony corporate media jive57% pure bovine excrement. Like 95 million Americans looking for work yet unemployment rate under 5%!! OMG, youre an Obama fanboy? I didnt know people like you still existed. That explains your lack of logic and common sense. Im not a religious type but even I wouldnt compare Jesus to a liar like Obama, thats a huge insult to an ascended master. Droned hundreds of innocents to death.then laughed about it a real piece of work our prez! Theyre all psychopaths, each and every one. Pizzagate gave us just a glimpse behind the curtain of insanity that rules our country. The curtain hasnt been fully opened yet, but it will be. I dont know what kind of person Trump is or what type of president he will be, I dont much care. I didnt vote and Im not responsible for anything that any of them do anymore. Theyre on their own, in their own little world of evil. Everyone has this choice. If we all turned our backs on their circus, stop funding it by giving it our energy, they would pack up their tent and go home. This is all it would take to bring the system down but its so simple no one believes they have this power. Sorry, I didnt mean to preach hehehe. The Catholic Church didnt exist in times of Christ and he didnt affiliate with any religious organization of the period. Also, your obama is rated by the same polls that overwhelmingly chose Clinton for the president. He supposedly admits that corporate media is false news but cherry picks their BS to suit his position. Obama at 57%? Sure and all the polls said Hillary was at 80% and going to win. Who conducted polls.DNC? does the fake news include the fake president, because this creature that you have posing as a president will not become one Untill all my orifices heal over. Obama won two terms and has an approval rating in the top tier, at 57%. Only two Presidents since WWII have had more popular support. Compare Bush (unelected) who ended up in the 20s and Trump, who is approved by only 40% to start! The fake President is a racist attack you will deny, since there is no racism anymore. Hahahah Nobody believes corporate media polls dude. They said hillary had 98% chance to win election. Take a strong cup of coffee! LOL another turbo zinger! And main stream news is CORPORATE/ GOVT propaganda! If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Great quote, telling too regarding the threat the internet poses as a form of open source communicationhence the reason their ultimate weapon to shut us down = electronic straight jackets. Decentralized systems being TPTBs bte noire.good example is the Apaches brilliantly adaptive strategy to fight off invaders, the most successful among Native Americans. Described in the Starfish and the Spider http://media.portland.indymedia.org/media/2008/10/380532.pdf Yo, I just started reading Starfish Spider. Its really fascinating, thanks! Youre welcome! I love looking at patterns. I may have told you awhile back, as little kid I was a natural code breaker of everything, figuring out how to read before beginning school, working out basic math principles, all kinds of stuff. Imagine what we could all work out together if given a chance. Oh but we are working it out together! When I was little I was a dot connector. I questioned everything and drew scandalous conclusions that upset everyones apple carts, read precocious classical literature in the third grade. Pssst I dont think were from here. my childhood echos your entrance to this world/dimension much like Blues I would imagine..cheeers Pssst.where are you from? Where did you graduate? I have five degrees from two universities. One in biology, one in botany and three in archeology/anthropology, including the study of human evolution. When we were discussing evolution and Darwin, you accused me of never having read Darwin, and called me ignorant, but I am smart enough to know that what I had to regurgitate in order to obtain all those worthless pieces of paper is WRONG. Do you think this makes me happy? Proud? Worthy of something? No, it pisses me off totally, so I have spent the remaining years of my life having to unlearn all that crap and replace it with truth as best I can. Thats what I do. You, on the other hand, are so convinced youre a genius you are unable to listen anyone but the voices in your head. Ive been trying to make this point to you over and over but youre just TOO FREAKING STUPID to get it. Hear Here! Where did you get your degree and in what subject, blue? He is pulling the education card a Herman Goering quotehow apropos Its from Goebbels Principles of Propaganda. Trump read Hitlers speechs and learned how to use the Big outrageoys lie to sway the masses, as an a natural snake oil salesman. Goering, a morphine addict, was more a Gestapo leader; Goebbels was the Minister of Propaganda. Hitler was also a tweaker. Trump claims he has never taken drugs or alcohol and warns people against it. Yet he sells Trump Vodka! Logic should tell you that if I can spot a quote from Goering without the author being listed..I obviously know about the background history. unless you are altruistically selflessly supplying additional edification for other people to connect the dots. Trump read hitlers speeches. Actually Hitler was a very effective orator. Hitler threw out the bad bankers. Hitler put everyone to work. Hitler was a tweakerwhat does that have to do with the price of potatoes. Trump learned from Hitler, a drug addict, as were many Nazis. The point is that a man who preaches against alcohol but sells Vodka, a man who studied the propaganda techniques of Hitler, is a hypocrite. A man does not necessarily have to drink to sell it.is there a law I am unaware of. Yes, Trump learned this lesson well when he read the book of Hitlers speeches, given to him by a friend. His Big Lie to start his campaign was that the bordere cities are dangerous and that Mexicans are rapists, etc. In fact, the border cities are the safest and undocumented immigrants have a much lower crime rate than US citizens. You can see this documented in my articles on the Big Lie at opednews.com. Check my documentation, check Trumps lies, and then come back and admit that the quote from Goebbels applies very much to Trumps Big Lie, repeated at each rally.l. You have studied trumps behavior? The mexican govt. sends over their worst ..criminals.free loaders.malcontentsbuild the wall.Border towns are a hellhole No, it is based on FBI data, Bureau of Prisons data, and best available evidence. Trumps lie are, he admits, a fantasy to sucker the morons, as he call us. Name-calling is childish; when you dismiss evidence with smears, you lose. FBI data well now then it must be right.they never politicize statistics do they. Corporate media in the USA and around the world has been posting State Department propaganda as news for years. The recent rise in alternative media has them flabbergasted and in a sweat because they are no longer controlling the narrative. its time to understand that the government has been taken over by the corporate elites. No sh** tell us something we dont already know. Notice he (and the left establishment as a rule) never point their finger at the banksters because that will implicate the Rockefellers Rockefellers UN constructs (esp. Agendas 21 and the Marxist gulag that will be the final phases of 2030). When the banks are mentioned its only on the level of reforming the system into a bigger, uglier beast they put lipstick and falsies on their new technocracy package to sell it. His commentary along this entire thread is a demonstration of his limited hangout BS spiel. No they love globalism because it can impose rules. Its always about control, right? Try to dig into UN Agenda 2030 if you can. It represents a level of control most people cant begin wrap their heads around hard core techno feudal Marxism cloaked in seductive SMART technology. So the MSM spew would have us believe that: BTW: Please put up a warning the next time the no-name potus face is posted. Purdy much freaked me out. You are poisoning the well of legitimate conspiracy facts with absurdities, the very tactic used by the CIA to block investigations into the JFK murder, 9/11, etc. Dont do the work of the Cia; expose their tactics, which includes lumping absurd and legitimate allegatins together in order to discredit all of them . no-name potus face is a form of cultural genocide, racist and ugly. Take it easy with the university PC crap ..dale Another fake headline and lie: Obama did not say alternative media but partisan news venues, Does anyone doubt this is true? Partisan news media do spread propaganda: that is their mission. The word partisan has numerous connotations depending on the POV of the person using it. This is ObamaSpeak for whatever we dont sanction is partisan. Partisan has a very clear meaning: it means a view that favors one party or another. It does not mean alternative media since the alternative media is a hodgepodge of all views. You are trying to escape from recognizing a lie: partisan is not alternative. Why are you attacking me? Im not trying to escape anything. Partisan can certainly mean alternative, meaning alternative to the propaganda narrative. Whats your beef exactly? partisan Information is not an attack but a gift. Why did you single out the enemy of the right wing in one of her more truthful statements? Partisan does not equal alternative, since alternative includes all points of view. Partisan means working on behalf of a party iin the context Obama referenced, not WWII fighters. Fox, NBC, etc are partisan; the alternative media includes all partisan viewpoints, as well as independent and objective news sources. Fox is partisan but not alternative. The terms are not interchangeable. I mean not to attack but to expose errors, which is a gift. No, alternative does not include all POVs, it only means non-mainstream media/agenda. The only error being made here is that you assume you know everything and that I am in need correction. You can stop lecturing now, that would be a gift. It actually does. Non-stream includes all points of view. I assume only that logic is better than illogic. You are commting the logical fallacy of the undistributed middle. Correcting errors is a gift, not an insult. Alternative media includes all (common) viewpoints. Therefore, Alternative media does not = partisan viewpoints, tho in includes them. Please dont be offended. Well fine, dale, if that makes you happy. But again, what difference, at this point, does it make? Thats not just a Hillary quote, it sums up the entire system the matrix minions have set up. The corporations and their elitist owners own the matrix that allows alternative media to exist. They can take the whole thing down in a second if they want to, so parsing partisan ad nauseum is pointless given the bigger picture. The only reason they dont take it all down is because their commercial interests such as trading platforms and little start ups like Amazon would be financially affected. Thats the whole purpose behind this fake media ploy, to target the part of the freewheeling internet that has become annoying. You may think you are educating me, but you are not very adept at reading between the lines of the lies. What pleases me is seeing lies and myths, which enslave us, exposed. Taking a quote out of context in a partisan way and then saying it sums up the entire system is not logical. There is much fake media: activist post posts fake news all the time, including this article. I have a world class education, since you criticize my reading skills, a the top public and private universities in the world under top scholars: I got it by rising from parents with 8th grade education through my proven intellectual skills. So, where were you educated to be qualifed to say I lack critical skills? You can read my expose of lies at Quora and opednews and other alternative media to correct your mistaken impression that I lack the education to read between the lines. I have read between your lines and find an inability to distinguish partisan If you wish to converse with me, said Voltaire, define your terms. Wow, Im impressed. World class, eh? And a journalist too? Then you should at least understand that what I wrote was not partisan (you might to go back and reread the synonyms and connotations I provided for you) nor was it out of context because Hillarys quote thoroughly summarized the context of everything that has happened since she uttered those words to Congress who, BTW are all educated like you and so freaking smart they believed her and said basically, Well yes, its all in the past and let her slide, again, leading to what is happening today with the fake news agenda that caused her to lose, so she claims. Those words exactly describe the situation then and now. and stop bragging. It makes you look petulant and haughty. Self proclaimed world classa legend in his own mind. Ivy League which gave us Yale Skull Bones. Kerry Bush. Dale a Harvard educated political scientist who refuses to flesh out the most seminal pol sci tome of our time, Quigleys Hope and Tragedy, and once told me the Hegelian dialectic was NOT a factor in domestic political or geopolitical machinations. Yea ivy league boy.lives off mom and dads money I bet.. in his 70s, I believe guessing he drank the 60s era Marxist Kool Aid, probably an apologist for Obamas domestic terrorist old pal Bill Ayers (still publicly good friends). Ayers, being a convicted felon Communist Weather Underground bombings in the US, formally classified as a domestic terrorist. Ayers famously told an FBI undercover agent on wire tap it would be necessary to exterminate millions of Americans (patriots, thought criminals) when the final communist revolution comes to the US, which is now cloaked in 2030 technocracy.going back to the 1930s calling for dismantling of the electoral college system. Voila! Another example of Hegelian sorcery: problem, reaction, solution. Wow he actually said that about hegelian dialecticgeez..amazing. All you have to do is look at Europe with muslim immigration. Exactly, one of a gazillion examples. Dale we have all figured out is an intellectual snob who loves to obfuscate. The problem with a pathological liar such as obama is that anyone who disagrees with him is wrong. By the way it is pretty obvious from listening to him. He is also delusional. I think you are looking in the mirror, steve. You lie so you think everyone lies: denial/projection. There are many documented lies on obamahe is CIA from way back..mother worked for ford foundation. Didnt know she worked for F.F., interesting. Good tip. I had read she worked for a CIA front overseas. Its been a long time, I should look for more background. Love busting his chopsso easyyes his moms boss at FF was.Frank Geithner..ring a bell.father of Tim geithner.obamas boy at fed or treasury in the past. Remember didnt pay taxes on his house or something. Not to butt in here but re: the Geithner connection right after Obama was elected, Geithner was the first person he nominated, the ink wasnt even dried on the voting ballots yet. I went into a total meltdown because I knew this was the signal that all was well to all those who placed him in the White House, and that wed been had again. Its one giant incestuous orgy of deceit. dont get me started hahaha, sorry for butting in. Its ok to butt in its a group thing anyway Do u believe this guysteve Bannon is a fascist.?..and he tells me not to insulttypical leftist slug. Oh man, Geithner, huh? What a tangled web, wholly crap. btw, your comment didnt show up yet, delay or memory holed. Not that Im surprised as long as Ive been at this. We know the major plots are deep and go back decades, generations, etc. Yesterday I was thinking about Assange and all the hideous baggage he has, to apparently include having grown up in an Australian eugenicist cult, The White Brotherhood, that was directly tied to a psychiatric institute receiving LSD from the CIA, had to be for the MK Ultra program. Freakin bizarro Twilight Zone. Gotta laugh or we would go nuts. If you believe obama tells the truth than you have issues. I just nailed Dale on Sunstein (devil in Obama admin) a few ticks up the thread. Love to pull his pants down, metaphorically speaking! Good job thx, you too, great nipping at his heels Wrong, Dale. The alternative media being referred to here is alternate to the mainstream. You are lecturing us in logic, as though to children who sit at your feet. We dont. Over the years youve been accused of writing for money, presenting a limited hangout for the PTB. Ive no opinion on the truth or falsity of the money accusation, but the limited hangout part? What you consistently do is commandeer conversations with unasked for encyclopedic facts and pastes about dots, often which are not germane but appear thrown in solely to impress and overwhelm, and you thereby attempt to take down the connections people who try to connect the dots are attempting to make. You sidetrack. Would it help for us to all simply acknowledge that yes, you can type, yes, you put a lot of time (which many of us dont possess enough of) into your efforts to prove youre smarter than some of the commenters here, that yes, you can wear others down? Fine. I doubt it would make a difference if we voted you Commenter of the Year. You arent smarter than all the commenters here. Just some of them. The rest of us, we watch you set up straw man arguments, declare victory, and we wonder why you changed the subject under discussion. This ones not about Jesus vs. Obama, not about the rules of logic (trust me, some of us have studied the subject), Trumps arguable failings, or about peoples feelings. Its about a departing US President attacking dissenting media in such a way as to legitimize the altering the outcome of the Electoral vote, before it happens. Hes saying the Russians are the enemy, they hacked the Democratic Partys emails to influence the popular election, ergo its okay for the Electoral College to vote as they choose, not as their states people have chosen. Thats the topic under discussion, Dale. Kurt Nimmo nails it: Obama says if Russian news picks up and repeats stories from OUR alternate news sources, theyre disseminating propaganda, ergo our alternate media is guilty of spreading propaganda. You like logic? Thats called a circular argument. Yea dale you are a real limited hangout why dont you bug off or crawl back under that liberal rock whence you came. Non stream includes cointelpro, Operation Mockingbird, and all of the metastasizing crushing dark monstrosity of disinformation and mind control officially launched in the 1950s?? The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. Lenin Theres the rub, cointelpro controlled opposition being presented as alternative to establishment organsshades of Gladio. While legitimate respectful erudite alternative perspectives to establishment BS such as 9/11 Truth are accused of having crippled epistemologies by Obama Ministry of Truth Czar Cass Sunstein who sought to attack 9/11 Truth via his Cognitive Infiltration program. After David Ray Griffin exposed Sunsteins fraud and mendacity, he left the Obummer admin to slink back to Harvard, your alma mater (literally nursing mother of elite BS groupthink). He calls it partisan because it does not believe his jive BS. He used the phrase domestic propaganda. We had plain old terrorists, then they gave us domestic terrorists. We had plain old propaganda, now Obama is giving us domestic propaganda. The connection seems pretty clear. I dont think we need to be schooled on what he meant. Anyone who gets their news from non-MSM sites such as these knows exactly who and what he meant. He was equating dissenting news with foreign propaganda, thus dissenting views with siding with the enemy. The blurring of these lines of thought goes hand in glove with confusing the revelations of whistleblowers and independent reporters with hacking. They not the same. Still, if the emails are real, however obtained, this is not a court of law, this is not the OJ trial. The glove fits beyond any reasonable doubt; that is not partisan, that is not propaganda, that is not fake news. Yes, so have we all. There is foreign propaganda and domestic propaganda, including the corporate media. More Americans have been killed in right-wing attacks than jihadist ones since 9/11 When you take a term out of context, you need to be schooled. There are fake news sites. I I think Brietbart, selfnewspost, Townhall and Twitchy all earn that badge; but the corporate media from Fox to NBc also does propaganda. What is your point? That Obama is evil, or a black demon or some such lunacy? Our greatest enemies are ourselves: since 9/11, the US killed over half a million civilians in nations that nothing to do with 9/11 and about 200,000 Americans have murdered each other (54% family and friends). My point regarding what Nimmo said in this article (which is mainly quotes from Obama) is that our US President wants us to believe that sites such as this one are propaganda, because they are copied by Russian news, which is propaganda ipso facto. This is circular reasoning, not logic. It would be the same as if a victim of plagiarism were accused of copying because his work was copied without attribution. My point regarding my take on the timing behind Obamas charge that Trump won the election with the help of domestic propaganda is that hes leveling this scurrilous charge prior to the vote of the Electoral College, giving Democrats (who illegitimately ousted Sanders) and old-school Republicans (who tried to oust Trump early in the campaign), a justification for voting against Trump, despite their states wishes. My point regarding you is that your modus operandi repeatedly is to change the subject under discussion, then hold forth. Which you just did again. He misquoted Obama; he lied. That is my point. Obama is world class liar and war criminal ask people of libya. Schooled by an Obama sycophant no sir. Obama killed innocent thousands with unlawful use of drones. He is a war criminal. Anybody who disagrees with him he considers partisan No, thats not what he said; thats what you put in his mouth: the straw man fallacy. Obama does not give any credence to anybody who disagrees with him. He sees independent media who refuse to worship at his altar growing by leaps and bounds and is desperate. Soon he will be gone. The ratings for mainstream media are plummeting . The gardening channel draws more viewers than CNN. Pretty sad.for them..ha-ha for me. ae911truth The no-name potus is the master of fake news. Oh ben Shapiro said.. well I guess that settles it.wowI am really impressed..Ben Shapiro. Dale is peddling SPLC propaganda lines. Southern Poverty Law Center is a far left think tank directly tied to the CIA tasked with defining peaceful American patriots and dissenters as extremists. They work on the level of Tavistock, seriously. I tangled with their gatekeepers on immigration reform forums 13-14 years ago. This was a large strongly conservative [gatekeeper] organization being fed talking points and gatekeeping strategy from Globalist neocon infused think tanks such as Heritage. My take on Andrew Breitbart is he was assassinated because he was a true conservative / patriot that wouldnt sell out, not unlike the late Congressman Larry McDonald. Breitbart still has a solid base of true conservative elements, however, word to the wise, stay frosty for globalist neocon infiltration. This would be the set up to demonize us. Dales BS being exhibit A. Just food for thought. SPLC Dale you little rat you! Truth ! Obama signed the Propaganda Law in 2013 he is the reason there is sooo much Fake News in his media circle. Using Propaganda against your own people should be a treasonous offense at least ! A Gr8 mini dissertation/ data dump really well collated exceeedingly erudite I learned a few new things gottaluvitcheers Thanks, Eddy. Wonderful compliment, even better knowing its from a highly gifted thinker, and a very compassionate one at that! It was a mental swinggggggggg @blue579 dear enlighten one , we must be wary of the way we project our true knowledge from the eye mostly on a blog like this one. Obama is making it clear that the government wants to put a stop to homeland terrorist . Calling alternative media propaganda. This is a red flag. Be prepared. You are the resistance. Messiah, I dont mean to bust in to your reply to blue but since Im the one having the conversation with her, I have a vested interest in what youre implying here. Has free speech been rescinded? Cause I didnt get that memo. And we cant use certain words because Obama placed red flags on them? Really? Because that kind of self-monitoring is exactly the point of propaganda, to get everyone to shut up and stay in their little holes. And there is no resistance that Im aware of and Im not sure what youre implying with that either. Im just trying to understand the point you are making. Thank you for your concern as you seem to mean well and have good intentions. I assure you Im mindful of what I post, though not governed by any type of fear or bravado. Interlaced in what I write are the threads of truth. If TPTB decide to pull these threads they will unravel their own lies. Were quickly running out of time to speak truth to power, and, imo, a cowering will only encourage more censorship. They test us and wait for a response. If we surrender to fear and dont engage in energized peaceful activism, then we will head down a path towards an unimaginable level of control and tyranny now being tested in China. We need to speak now, the ghosts of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice to defend our freedom cry out for our cool headed defense of human dignity. Regards, Blue579 He didnt say that. Geesh, youre a freaking genius I had to read that three times to collect it all up. You come from a completely different intellectual POV than I do, which is great. I guess thats why we have these conversations. I do indeed hold evolution science (and most other sciences) as cointelpro and your 95/5% is close if not exact. probably more like a certain prescribed range of truth/cowdung that works especially well to hack the human brain and heart. The math doesnt matter really, the intent is paramount. Darwin is an alleged freemason, depending on which source you believe, and we know conintelpro has been going on for centuries, theyre smoother than horse snot at this point. (BTW- Ive always hated that stupid graphic of the knuckle-dragging primate on the left slowly morphing into a man. It makes me want to scream.) All cointelpro is designed to either box us in and/or give our power to others. Once you see the game well, what am I telling you that for???? LOL. So do you think we choose our parents and an avatar body to be born into? Thank you for your generous compliments, OS. The math is only important because its a great resonant glimpse into the strategy and flow of Source. Human language is too crude to convey it all, thus the language of mathematics (its a language, not a measure of absolutes) is another guide and window. I use it intuitively to gauge the reliability of the information and models Im scanning (involving synthesis of big concepts most days), its much faster than the usual approach to discernment. Yes, the 95/5 fits into a prescribed range, depends on the targeted group. I know about Darwin and his entire ilk of associations, slippery for sure. Remember, Im riding that thin line of duality, which Mother Nature and Source are infinitely adept at. Me, Im a bumbling amateur, who gets lucky via channeling Inspector Clouseau, sometimes with slightly more skill thanks to Grace. To answer your last question, it feels as though Im here for a purpose and some highly unusual and difficult experiences were required to prepare me for the task I chose or was asked to perform. I imagine thats what led me to this life. Nice exchange, R, thanks, much gratitude and 3. To be continued Hey OS, several months ago, while searching for a link for The Starfish and the Spider to pass along, I came across a nice little comment summary inspired by the book. It looked like it might be a useful addition to the share (I heavily edited it for clarity). Here it is in case you want more decentralization ramblings as food for thought or as a simple outline for others in your circle. 8 PRINCIPLES OF DECENTRALIZATION 1. When attacked, a decentralized organization tends to become even more open and decentralized: 2. Its easy to mistake starfish for spiders: 3. An open system doesnt have central intelligence; the intelligence is spread throughout the system: 4. Open systems can easily adapt / change: 5. Decentralized organizations can make faster progress, are nimble, can more easily sneak up on opponents. 6. As industries become decentralized, overall profits decrease: 7. Positive feedback loop: voluntary contributions to an open system encourage more participation. 8. When attacked, centralized organizations tend to become even more centralized. Just below this comment, I sent two replies that got moded so you wont get an email notice about them isnt technology grand? Bummer. Theyre hoping we arent persistent, resilient, and thinkin like the Apache! You can try posting on other comments of mine elsewhere, a message in a bottle via cut / paste. Didnt explain myself well. They were posted on the thread right below this comment, youll have to link through to see them, but it seems whenever there is a mod delay for an embedded link, you dont get an email notification. These replies start: This is my. wunder.. and This is very handy. Call me Persistent Apache. Its all about control. Can we add the Codex Alimentarius to centralization ? Yes, exactly good example. The reason also Obamacare was designed to implode in to a single payer system. Spot on. Evolution is an observable fact. Thats obvious. Its the mechanism/process thats up for debate. Natural selection is the process; it is also observable. No, thats not the process. NS is a process but not the process. Darwin was FOS. You may feel comfortable believing you descended from apes, but I most certainly did not. You are now demonstrating your ignorance. Humans did not evolve from apes, gorillas or chimps. We are all modern species that have followed different evolutionary paths, though humans share a common ancestor with some primates, such as the African ape. livescience.com You not only misunderstand Darwin (whom you have clealry never read) but you make statements which he would denounce as false. We have common ancestry. You are FOS. That may explain your discomfort with a falsification of Darwins ideas. Oh, yes.. youre that pompous a$$ from Harvard who spent your life being spoon-fed elite BS. Most of us who were also educated have realized almost everything we were spoon fed was untrue. You havent, youre still spouting it like chimp. Livescience? Dont make me laugh. Paleoarcheologists have never been able to agree on a path of human evolution, in part because some of the major finds have been dismissed, partly because the dating methods are badly flawed. Any fossil that doesnt fit into this ridiculous mess https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/36a578fda93cd7d3a8152f07e9f4c8c1ad318de7dfa1692d5629af45327f6aa9.jpg is shoved in a drawer, anything that might fit is shoved into a falsified sequence that is full of false assumptions based on a single tooth or a femur. People spend their entire lives arguing over this because theyre missing the most important fact of all it, that natural selection is not the process. And meanwhile the missing link is still missing. Since youre an expert at everything, why dont you go find it? Become an internet hero instead of a internet stooge. When you lack a rational response and resort to crude insults, you lose. This is true, you have insulted me numerous times just on this thread. Your moth example is a joke. In case you havent noted, moths are not humans. We are the product of genetic hybridization not natural selection. I could parry with hundreds of articles and excellent discussions of this very topic, but they dont agree with your existing existential beliefs so you will just insult me some more. Bye, you common ancestor types bore the crap out of me. The evolution of the peppered moth is an evolutionary instance of colour variation in the moth population as a consequence of the Industrial Revolution. The concept refers to an increase in the number of dark-coloured moths due to industrial pollution, and a reciprocal decrease in the population in a clean environment. Hence, the phenomenon is called industrial melanism. It is the first recorded and experimented case of Charles Darwins natural selection in action, and remains as a classic example in the teaching of evolution.[1][2] Sewall Wright described it as the clearest case in which a conspicuous evolutionary process has actually been observed. Wiki I stand with the scientists. Hahaha of course you do, science is a religion and youre a believer. Heres an evolutionary fact: natural selection is based on the premise that successful species are the ones who adapt to change. Can we agree on that? Well, you, as a human being, have already established your belief paradigms and are way more interested in impressing the rest of us with your knowledge than you are in examining new evidence and changing facts. You are not evolving, dale, youre still slaving away in Platos cave. You might learn something from all the knowledgeable people communicating on this thread if you stopped badgering everyone with your fossilized, outdated information and started treating intelligent people with the respect they deserve. You dont have all the answers. Real intelligence understands that. Your car, your tv, your computer, the internet, etc etc are all based on science. Science is based on evidence, religion on believing the absurd. You are dead wrong. I dont have all the answers; thats why I listen to the experts. Real intelligence goes to the evidence, the science, the people who have studied it and surivived peer review. I wont waste any more time with you. Science is a religion..hahahahah. Computers are technology, dale. They are based on science. Evolution is not science, its a religion. Newton, Darwin and Einstein- these are priests of the holy trinity of western science. And below these are the elders: Watson, Crick, Dawkins, Hawking, Dennet, Chomsky, Penrose and Sagan. And then you have the High Priests: the Nobel Prize winners, the popular writers and the media celebrities like Michio Kaku. Their opinions are received as sermons, and their statements are quoted like sacred texts. Ordinary people are ridiculed if they doubt the interpretations of this priesthood. Even for scientists, questioning a member of a higher tier is done only at the risk of losing their careers. Junk DNA isnt junk, The Big Bang is a big flop, pharmaceuticals cure disease all junk science and dogma proven wrong. Science is evolving and until it stops, its a religion. Me too, thats how I interpret (and remember?) 5D, going way back and I betcha you had strong inklings as a kid too. Im so glad The Starfish and The Spider felt a little bit like coming home. There have been some deep and lively discussions of what we can create under decentralized systems with their natural self organizing proclivities. Its a great exploration of what weve been missing. I checked out your photographs and absolutely love them, you most certainly have the eye and a gift! The mountains shots remind me of wonderful experiences hiking the Rockies in my area. Ill take another close look at the pics in the next few days. Nature is the most amazing eye candy on the planet, who needs diamonds and Ferraris? Not me! lol What a great treat, thanks for sharing your art, R. See ya around! Youre most welcome, glad you enjoyed the visual nature parade. Now Im seeing decentralization where it has blossomed in other places due to this new blueprint you have given me. Yes, its remembering, like coming home. Thank you from the bottom of my little bee heart! Anytime, always at your service. BTW, I just wanted to mention Ive gotten to know a few of the wundeground photographers and they tell me that whenever they get sad or depressed, they go and look at everyones daily postings of photographs to lift their spirits. I go almost every day myself and I find that being in this circle has really enriched my life in unexpected ways. If you have more time to explore and enjoy gazing at beautiful photos, the World View selection shows the best of the photos of the week. Its really very remarkable to have this constant flow of beautiful images rolling like a nature film partaking is food for the soul. Love you and Happy Solstice from me! Great tip, OS, thank you. Ill most definitely check it out! I find nature photography is the best soul food, only second to mindfully experiencing the real thing. Happy Solstice to you too!! Hugs and much love! No you are the F student your truth is not truth but lies 