Why Do Vaccine-Pushers Chicken-out of Debates about Vaccines?Catherine J. Frompovich One was to have been a debate on April 8, 2015 between vaccine rights attorney Alan Phillips, JD, and Dr. Annie Sparrow, a pediatrician who obviously pushes vaccines literally and figuratively, with the venue being WMNF Radios The Fairness Doctrine. Dr. Sparrow flew away and cancelled at the last minute. How disappointing! Consequently, Attorney Phillips issued a three-page paper after the debate actually took place with Radio Host Jennifer Sullivan taking the pro-vaccine argument that Dr. Sparrow obviously was to have nailed down but reneged on. One has to question if Dr. Sparrow got cold feet, or if the facts were too hot to handle. The other debate was to have taken place between two medical doctors: Paul Offit, MD, vaccine inventor, and Toni Bark, MD, an integrative medical practitioner with credentials an arms length long, on Wednesday, April 13th, on Chicago 560. The topic to be discussed was Parental choice and vaccination, a hot, hot topic now that there have been more and more vaccines added to the CDCs schedule for children in order to enroll in daycare centers and schools. Again, there was a last-minute chicken out by Dr. Offit. Dr. Offit, who pontificates that children can take 10,000 vaccines without any adverse harm or reactions, probably rethought how he would debate Dr. Bark, whosepardon the punbark may have been louder than something Offit could deal with since Dr. Bs been very vocal and public about the lack of oversight regarding vaccines and the dangers from the ever-expanding vaccine schedule, which soon will mandate ALL adults receive childrens shots too! Offit is infamous for one possible slip of the tongue, which he may have wanted to avoid having recycled while debating Dr. Bark. The mainstream medias top expert on vaccines is unquestionably Dr. Paul Offit. Dr. Paul Offit is infamously known among vaccine safety advocates as the doctor who has gone on record stating that he believes a baby can handle as many as 10,000 vaccines during infancy. [1] [CJF emphasis added] The ultimate challenge should be to make Dr. Offit prove his now-famous remark. There would be no better way for him to supply that proof than to take 10,000 vaccines; become a pro-vaccine hero; and spare some poor child having to become a human guinea pig. After all, Offits a big man; he can do it! Furthermore and more responsibly, someone in Offits field of vaccinology ought to hold his feet to the fire on his non-science-based hypothesis or demand that Offit officially retract it. Recall that Dr. Andrew Wakefield had his and his colleagues paper about autism and gut problems retracted since it was claimed to be false information. Dr. Offit, prove your 10,000 vaccines wont harm children or rightfully become the pariah of the Big Pharma vaccine world for submitting false vaccine information. Maybejust maybeDr. Offit would pull something like a public relations person, Patrick Moore, did when asked to drink a glass of Monsantos Roundup. See the video of how a grown man [Moore] back pedals faster than you can say glyphosate. The quickie video is embedded within this link. But there is someone who was able to get a virtual debate going between Paul Offit, MD, and Boyd Haley, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Biochemistry at the University of Kentucky. Richard Milner, the video producer, visited and interviewed both gentlemen independently, and then edited their respective comments and remarks into a debate format no one will want to miss. More information about Milners project(s) can be found at http://www.publicaffairsmediainc.blogspot.com/ However, one attorney with whom I network on vaccine issues, Walter Kyle who worked at the Vaccine Court in Washington, DC, emailed some comments that I thought were pretty interesting, so I asked his permission to share them with my readers. The following are Attorney Kyles remarks: FDA BLOCKS ACCESS TO SCIENTIFIC TESTS CAPABLE OF DIAGNOSING VACCINE REACTIONS Offit knows this and his ploy to avoid debate based on Scientific proof of vaccine safety misrepresents science and is merely an FDA Talking Point developed to avoid the truth. My response to Offit You (FDA) fear Science. CDC epidemiology is math not science based on CDC myths, not clinical case evaluations. By imagining favorable input factors, while eliminating unfavorable ones, CDC statistics provide favorable results. The science upon which Offit relies in his refusal to debate can be characterized as CDC Epidemythology. [CJF emphasis added] The old computer maxim applies best to CDC Epidemythology Garbage in, Garbage out. Offit`s defense based on science could be reworded to Our (CDC) computer, which tells us what we want it to tell us, tells us we shouldn`t debate the facts. In 2010 clinical Science developed Microbial Detection Arrays, which can not only diagnose reactions, they can predict reactions before they occur. FDA blocks parents access to these techniques (see VRBPAC May 7, 2010 transcript), and influences medical journal editors (i.e. Virology) to not publish results unfavorable to vaccines. [CJF emphasis added] FDA fears such access might `out` vaccine links to contaminants causing MS, breast cancers, leukemia, mesotheliomas, and AIDS not to mention genital herpes, which we share with the African green monkey and oral polio vaccines. For 25 years I have known a mother trying to obtain PCR testing of her child for simian viruses causing an unknown debilitating medical condition in her son. The Labs and physicians uniformly refuse tests with the statement It does not matter where it came from in order for us to treat it another FDA Talking Point developed to eliminate facts. Autism is a small, but important, portion of the Vaccines Disaster Spectrum. I call it VDS. - Catherine thinks The question everyone in the USA ought to be asking is: Why cant those who claim vaccines are safe and efficacious, not want to become a standard bearer for their consensus science in a public forum? Before any more vaccines are mandated, healthcare consumers should demand public debates and forums on each vaccines science, studies and trials before a vaccine even can be added to the CDCs schedule. No more vaccine mandates without public input. Lets see wholl explain vaccine science, since currently we just have to accept Big Pharma-produced obviously skewed studies which eventually become pharmaceutical dogma that everyone in medicine, public health agencies and the media parrot. But, heres another and possibly real debate that needs to take place about vaccines: Legal eugenics? Reference: [1] http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/dangerous-doctor-media-vaccine-promoter-has-huge-conflict-of-interest/ Catherine J Frompovich (website) is a retired natural nutritionist who earned advanced degrees in Nutrition and Holistic Health Sciences, Certification in Orthomolecular Theory and Practice plus Paralegal Studies.Her work has been published in national and airline magazines since the early 1980s. Catherine authored numerous books on health issues along with co-authoring papers and monographs with physicians, nurses, and holistic healthcare professionals. She has been a consumer healthcare researcher 35 years and counting. Catherines latest book,published October 4, 2013, is Vaccination Voodoo, What YOU Dont Know About Vaccines, available on Amazon.com. Her 2012 book A Cancer Answer, Holistic BREAST Cancer Management, A Guide to Effective Non-Toxic Treatments, is available on Amazon.com and as a Kindle eBook. Two of Catherines more recent books on Amazon.com are Our Chemical Lives And The Hijacking Of Our DNA, A Probe Into Whats Probably Making Us Sick (2009) and Lord, How Can I Make It Through Grieving My Loss, An Inspirational Guide Through the Grieving Process(2008) Would love to ask Offit how it was in 2013 a website he directly oversaw posted the claim that aluminum is believed to play an important role in the development of a healthy fetus. Offit disapproves of supplements but aluminum is good for fetal development! There are very dark forces at work here; and they all track right back to the Talmud. Invariably. I say, Senator, how do feel about euthanasia? The VAERS statistics for 2014 were the highest ever with 38,519 seriously injured and 3,737 killed. All 18 years and younger. These numbers are going up every year. We dont need an expert for that. We dont even need a debate. To make this mandatory is criminal. What Im finding is that there is no real debate in the true sense. On every poll Ive seen more than 70% are for medical choice. MSM will have you believe that its the opposite. Im finding out that most of my online debates over this topic are with shills. The only war is between big pharma, their minions, and us. I agree, but one big problem is their minions include our bought and paid for politicians. I personally dont recognize the governments authority to mandate any kind of medical treatment. Especially when its the same as playing Russian roulette with our childrens lives. People need to wake up, quit letting the government give itself authority it doesnt have. Government officials are just people, if they think its ok to kill and maim 38,000 kids a year, I think they belong in prison. This whole thing is a criminal fraud. People should be like a mother bear when someone is attacking its cubs. There are other bills following this one to mandate vaccines for adults. When did we ever give our government servants the authority mandate anything to the entire population in our Constitutional Representative Republic, by the consent of the people. Thank you good points. Personally i think that the USA does NOT provide the fed govt with ANY powers over our health choices whatsoever in fact those are forbidden. My state Constitution (Cal) does NOT give the state the power to make my health choices or for my wards. Yes, they lie and call vaccines unavoidably safe! That ignores reality. Reality was that vaccine manufacturers were getting HAMMERED in the 80s as they lost a lot of lawsuits for vaccine damaged people. they had to pay a LOT of money so they whined to Reagan. To deny that this happens is blatant stupidity. Ive uncovered about four online shills so far and currently working on a 5th. I find that they typically work in tag teams. The pattern is the same always the same and its becoming amusing. They are becoming desperate. Perhaps you can chase the people at CollegeHumor: So this somehow disputes the unscientific nature of Vaccine pushers does it? As I see it this is just another emotional crap fest with nothing of substance, just mockery and jingoism. Vaccines are not modern or scientific you nincompoop. The process was actually common during the plagues of Europe hundreds of years ago. Indeed the primitive concept of vaccinations helped spread the disease. The best of the tag teams work in and through Wikipedia as editors. Check that out, as you will find a nest of skeptics there who are hell bent on destroying holistic medicine and shilling everything big pharma says. Top Anti Vaccine Videos: Mercury Undercover 2011 Shots In The Dark Silence on Vaccine 2011 Bought The Truth Behind Vaccines, Big Pharma Your Food 2014 Trace Amounts 2015 Find them, Buy Them, Download them and share with every young mother via cheap SD cards or thumb drives. If every person that watches them shares with at least two (2) other people we would nail this murdering practice to the ground in less than a year! Save the children! Many more videos and info online at the NWO Survival Guide. Good Luck and thank God for the selfnews Post! I will NOT have any of your/my children stuck with needles of poison and neuro toxins approved by Jewrys CDC. We need to NOT just swallow the statistics we are told regarding vaccines, political points, and other points of belief/disbelief in OUR society. They can all too easily be lied about. You know, like the huge turnout at the Illinois state capital steps for gun control. Pictures showed like a dozen standing in open clumps. The support for second amendment rights on that same capital step area from a few weeks prior showed HUNDREDS of supporters. The right to control OUR OWN body is an inalienable right. It comes from our own individual self and cannot be legislated from outside control. They will try to use a big stick, they will make illegitimate laws (no purview on these isssues for my state Calif or the feds) but do NOT comply. Attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. speaking in California about vaccine politics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=U14ITEFqrlg#t=8 They cant answer why theres so many toxic ingredients in vaccines! Cause they know chickenshit about shingles! The pro-vaccine speakers were going to participate in these debates until they found out the rule that there is to be no derogatory name-calling. They have no argument with that rule. No true vaccine testing EVER! No criticism of vaccines allowed by the FDA. They really do fear science! Offit is a lying piece of garbage. Great post. People do need to wake up and start asking the right questions and refuse to be bullied into vaccines before they start to expand the mandates to adults as well. They have all of a sudden realized that while they push vaccines on kids and the effect of the vaccine wears off with time that there maybe millions of adults running around with no vaccine antibodies and GASP!!! not falling down dead from all the horrible, deadly diseases (insert smirk). Also we dont have to worry anymore I guess since Dr Offit is quite sure that the science is settled (insert another smirk) and we also have a bug eyed ball of wool (aka Elmo) and the surgeon general both assuring us that vaccines are safe (insert eye roll). Oh Its also okay for celebrities and bug eyed folks to say vaccines are good but woe to any celebrity or medical person who speaks ill of the same vaccines (more eye rolls). Quite dramatic these people who drink from the deep pockets of pharma Good christ you anti-vaxers are fucking idiots Typical name calling. Actually, out of both Pro vax and anti vax sites I find that the anti vax group has much more information and are critical thinkers. Where as most of the pro vax parrots what theyve been told, having done no research and no critical thinking. This all comes down to parents wanting what is best for children. Both sides should be aligned with that point. As far as I can see, the only reason for mandatory vaccination is the measly 170 disneyland measles outbreak. No epidemics or pandemics. Other disease statistics I hear are international statistics including India and Africa. Statistics that have no bearing on the U.S. Our vaccine program is outdated and not proportionate to U.S. statistics. 