With Knife Murders Spiking After Gun Ban, UK Urges Save a LifeSurrender Your KnifeBy Mac Slavo The logic fail and sheer volume of absurdity might just make you sick if you do. For the UK whose laws and policies all-too-often influence those of the U.S. gun control isnt enough. Probably nothing will ever be enough. Now a call to surrender knives, ongoing for years, is in full swing. Via Citizen Action: There is, however, a ban on people under 18 buying knives going so far on the absurdity scale as to ban underage purchases of plastic knives! No joke. One woman in her 20s was even barred from buying spoons without proper ID: Since knives are used for food preparation and many other basic and essential activities, and virtually any crude material can be transformed into a knife, even police admit the amnesty for turning in knives will do nothing to stop knife crimes (but it will do a great deal for instilling a mentality of helplessness while heaping on more and more rules). Despite the attempt to paint knife crimes as an impulsive issue of short tempers and petty disputes, carjackings, robberies and premeditated murders are frequently committed with knives in the UK and the system is trying to make sure victims remain defenseless. Here is what the murder rate looks like since the UKs gun ban with knife murders spiking drastically: Dont be a victim The same logic has of course been used in American debates on guns, with Homeland Security training even advising would-be victims at schools and offices to hide or throw cans of soup at active shooters. It is a good enough assertion at this point to suppose that all the sharpest knives in the drawer have already been turned in or confiscated as clearly no one in a position of authority has common sense or wits about them at all. Your thoughts on this madness? You can read more from Mac Slavo at his site SHTFplan.com, where this article first appeared. HAHAHAHAAAAA!.Love those zany blokes! The chart is fraudulent: gunpolicy.org collects and publishes official violent crime stats. Here is what they report: in 2000, the murder rate was 1.56 per 100Kin 2003 it was 1.53; in 2007 it was 1.42; in 2011/12, it was 1.03, a significant decrease. gunpolicy gives sources for its information. The chart above begins to show the decline after the latest 1996 laws but if you continue the decrease which begins in 2000/01 up until 2011, it show a decrease to well below the 2000 rate. citizenreportuk.org reports the murder rate in at 14.4 per million, for a total of 846 murders (about 6% of the US total,with a gun murder rate in 2001 of 70.3 per million). By 2013/14 ( the latest year with data), total murders had fallen to 537 for a murder rate of .9. In 2013, the US murder rate was 5.1. Conclusion: since the 96 gun laws in the UK, the murder rate has fallen from 1.2 to .9 in the latest year. The chart, by cutting off a period of steady decline of the murder rate from the 1.2 in 2008 to .9 in 2013/14, the chart hides the actual decline over the past 35 years. However you cut it, the murder rate in the UK has been 80% of the US murder rate, and the number of deaths by knives, given a 99% lower gun murder rate in the UK, is lower than the number of knife deaths in the US, where 2/3 of all murders are done by firearms. I rate this article, based on the facts, bullshit. In 2011, the total number of murders in the UK was 553, with 38 being by gun, leaing a total of 515 non gun murders (knifes, blunt objects, poisoning, etc). The FBI Expanded Homicide Table shows that there were 1694 knife murders in the US. The House of Commons report for the UK states There were 200 homicides using a sharp So 1694 in the US and 200 knife (sharp object) in the UK. The US has 5 times more people so if we multiply the 200 UK knife murders by 5, we would get 1000 knife murders, or 40% lower than in the US,,which has 99% higher gun murder rate. Conclusion: the UK has 99% lower gun murder rates and a 40% lower knife murder rate than the US. Both have been declined. Overall murders are lower than in over 30 years, and knife murders in the UK data only goes back to 2008 when there were 255, gradually declining to 200. (UK House of Commons report) Sources: gunpolicy.org for US and UK FBI Expanded Homicide Table file:///C:/Users/laptop/Downloads/SN04304%20(2).pdf In the UK, you are 99% less likely to be murdered by gun and 40% less likely to be murdered by knife. Nice try, Shady. I provided evidence, which clearly does not interest you. The UK, by the way, is ruled by the Conservative Party. The idea that a nation with 99% lower gun murder rate, 40% lower knife murder rate, and 80% overall lower murder rate is more violent than the US is clearly absurd. Violent crime is continuing a long-term fall in England and Wales, according to annual figures from NHS hospitals. Annual violent incidents per 100K has fallen 50% from 2002 to 2013, as shown on a chart from Cardiff University. (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27119689) Those are the facts, but I dont expect anyone who thinks the the Conservative Party is Communist or that safety is a bad thing is interested in facts. Dale, you never did answer the Q I asked you in the recent Utopia, the dream article In case you missed it, Ill repost here: visitor dale ruff 10 days ago the rejection of all forms of tyranny or top down control. Thank you. In the US gun crimes are reported thusly; gun crime in township, also counted by county, counted by state police and counted by FBI. That makes it 4 counts or one for each department and as you can see the numbers inflate geometrically. It is dishonest and disingenuous for numbers to be obstructed from reality. The real underlying problem is that each department must count that one crime as their own as part of their funding from the States and Feds but mostly the Federal Government. You are wrong. What is your source for this false accounting? Police departments are not funded by body count. The FBI data on homicides and other crimes is based on numbers reported..it reports what is reported to the FBI. It does not then add township, county, and police tallies. COPS funding is not based on body count. As for sexual abuse, where is your evidence that the crime count is inflated? I have studied gun violence for 3 years; I have found no researchers who make the claims you are making. The FBI says The crime data are submitted either through a state UCR Program or directly to the FBIs UCR Program. If the state reports 200 homicides, that is the data used in the Expanded Tables they publish. They do not count 800, as you claim. This mythical reporting system you claim is the case clearly has the agenda of showing that the crime data in the US is inflated 400%. I welcome the source of this claim. You need to back track on your research. You can verify by comparing the lists of identified gun crimes or sexual abuse crimes of those claiming the rights to said crimes. This has been going on for years. This is nothing new. I became more aware of this when you see budgetary claims to the Feds for supplemental monetary support. Its not printed as such but by cross checking the actual events you will see every involved agency making a claim for a single instance. Why do you think agencies give rats behindy who gets the case????? Jurisdiction (at the top isnt just ego, its the bread and butter of the agency). As you are unable to provide sources for your information, I am dismissing it as pure invention. If you have sources, please provide links; if not, your claims are worthless. your claim is that for each homicide (or other crime) is counted 3 (local, county, and state) times and that therefore, the published data by the FBI must be reduced by 2/3 to get the true numbers? It is strange that no researchers, whether their studies are gun friendly or not, have found fault with FBI data. If you know something that several generations of experts do not, please present it. You will be rewarded with headlines! You are claiming that not 9,000 are murdered each year but 3,000? Is it the same for suicides? Not 21,000 but 7,000. I will be happy to look at your source for this information. You are saying if a local police agency reports more crimes, it gets more money. What do FBI aggregate statistics have to do with that? The Heritage Foundation published a study which is headlined: The study points out that Federal funds to local police were reprioritized after 9/11 away from ordinary crime to focus on terrorism. The demand to return funds was framed in terms of reducing crime. No where is there to be found the evidence that the FBI counts 3 crimes for every one that actually happens or that funding is based on the amount of crime. And even if it were, it would be based on local crime rates and not statistical aggregate, which is what the FBI reports. I await your sources. What you need to remember is in each instance how many agencies were involved. Each gets to count their involvement as 1 for applying for Fed Grant assistance. The same thing happens with child abuse. The agency gets to count the number of instances per each child involved and that equates to Fed Dollars. If one agency is involved then thats one Federal Count..some are big enough that everyone has jumped in. YES the numbers are skewed but that is the way of politics isnt it. You are wrong. You provide no evidence for your claim. It is worthless. Ive worked with and have confirmed the use of stacking numbers in each of the States Ive called. For national numbers you have to use it on a total of local agencies ONLY. City, Sheriff, Marshals office and FBI can count their involvement as one instance if the perps have crossed county,state or international borders. The only thing an agency head is concerned about is how many instances they can rack up for their applied share of Fed Money. Yuri Bezmenov : Definition of DEMORALIZE : Related to DEMORALIZE : 1. DEMORALIZATION This otherwise known as The Hegelian Dialectic: You can have my plastic kitchen knife when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. My cold, salami and mustard-stinking hand. When they disarmed the people in England, a lot of people joked about this. A lot of people said it was no jike, the proof is out there. Why not have all the males surrender their genitals, this would prevent rape. Have the bankers surrender their calculators, this would prevent Usury. Have the police in the US surrender their pepper spray, handcuffs and firearms, and prevent murders by cop. Wait, we are just getting going. what if we have all NATO countries surrender ALL weapons of war, (including nukes), and prevent WW 3 and the murder of perhaps billions of humans. The trouble with that is there are to many sociopathic people in charge. Meanwhile, a certain supermarket was recently giving kitchen knife sets away for stickers Sharp sticks next? Now that England kissed the UNs butt, and have total gun ban, they now have the largest muslim population, per capital, than any other count, in world. And is predicted to be the first country, to fall to islam. To satans right hand. Stay Alive for Your Heirs DONT USE THE STAIRS. Move away from the situation towards a public place (shop, house, restaurant etc.) as quickly as possible. (The key note in that bullet point is as possible.) The only thing missing on the list is this: Curl up in the fetal position, and piss your pants as quickly as possible. Well played Gotta replace butchers and meat cutters with robots. . . . No exceptions. Will the Islamists in the UKs Shariah districts turn in their knives? No English head is safe. Yah its getting pretty bad over there. The limited gene pool, the constant culling of the herd in the middle ages, and the brain drain when many of them left to other countries, is finally biting them in the butt. They couldnt even stop or help an unarmed soldier from being decapitated. Sorry Brits, Im truly for you, but your continuos fumbling about with dealing with your left and your right is killing you. Of course the same thing is going on here, but we havent reached your level of self degradation yet, and I hope we never do, but there are so many who cant see beyond their own immediate self gratification urges, it may be impossible to save our country also. Looks like we wasted our time, resources and American lives saving them from the Nazis. 1) I shall not surrender my knives. Or my firearms. The same government trying to ban these dangerous weapons forgot the principle they hammered into me at Ft. Benning My Gun and my Knife are only tools. *I* am the weapon. 2) I have, in fact, rarely needed to draw a blade in the course of defending myself. After all, my cane (three feet long) or my staff (six feet long) often serve quite neatly for self-defense, have proven themselves well, and dont get thought of as weapons until you get a good hard poke in the navel with it, driven by 300# of meat 3) I have no need of a personal alarm. I find that lifting a miscreant by his testicles generates a loud enough scream to attract attention. 4) I shant make noise. Once I turn the situation around, the newfound victim will accomplish that for me, before being rendered unconscious and/or being handcuffed. The problem isnt knives, or guns, or booze the problem is PEOPLE. As we have allowed conventional ethics and morality to slip, violent crime has trended significantly upwards. I cant possibly be the only one to notice this (but the government wont listen to me, because I dont have more letters AFTER my last name than IN it) After my last visit to England I said it was 400 years behind the rest of the world..after reading this report I have upped that figure to 700 years. See what happens when stupidity holds the reins and liberal-Tards are not placed in asylums? You know what will happen, when the illegally well armed jihadists start murdering all those on the dole then there will be a call for Neville Chamberlain all over again. It didnt work then, it wont work now. 