Attacking Police and Enacting Violence Will Do Nothing to Stop Brutality It Will Make it Far WorseBy Matt Agorist These apparently unprovoked attacks on individuals who were not directly involved in threatening the life of the shooters are a hindrance to the progression of liberty and police accountability. Random acts of violence will only serve to undo what little progress those of us in the peaceful movement have accomplished and,in fact, will reverse it and prevent any future progress. (((terpkristin))) (@terpkristin) July 8, 2016 Violently attacking the government creates victims out of the ones we are trying to expose as criminals. Those who initiate and support such violence will be complicit in creating the hellish police state that will inevitably ensue as a consequence of their actions. It will start a war in which the people are the enemy. We can simply look back to 9-11 as an example of what is to come if this violence continues. Prior to 9-11 the TSA did not exist, indefinite detention did not exist, the NSA did not spy on American citizens, the police werent given armored assault vehicles, and Americans could not be assassinated without trial. We can expect to see peaceful activists rounded up and detained indefinitely. We can expect to see homes raided of individuals who are speaking out against the State. We will see more and more checkpoints, and less and less unmolested travel. If you think that the American people can somehow win in a war against the military industrial complex that the US has built up in the last decade and a half, you are seriously delusional. Your AR-15 will do nothing against thermal imaging predator drones equipped with Raytheons small tactical munitions designed for blowing up single homes. They will not stop the MRAP as it plows through your front door. No matter how you slice it, the most well-armed American citizen is no match for the hundreds of billions spent annually by the US on warfare. No, this battle will not be won with weaponry as the US spends more annually on defense than the next 13 largest militaries in the world, combined. Also, the above scenarios dont take into accountthepublics support. If a group of people rise up and claim to be freedom fighters and they do not have the support of the citizens, well, that revolution was over before it started. If anyone thinks that killing cops and/or praising the death of innocent people will amass public opinion in their favor again, they are seriously delusional. Even if a large group was able to get public support and engage in a war against the government, imagine the horrid reality that would come to pass.The US would literally be a war zone and quickly languish into third world status. As a former Marine, I know that before I woke up to this tyranny, I would have done anything my leaders told me, including initiating force against Americans especially if there were an increase in theprevalence of unprovoked violence against the State like we just witnessed in Dallas. However, I also know firsthand how people can change once presented with the information that frees them from their Statist bonds. Most of these police officers are simply brainwashed into thinking they are doing the right thing. They just need to see their true reflection enough times to realize that they are not. It is up to you and me to provide this reflection. That is why we must win the hearts and minds of the people within the State. We must expose as much of their violence and corruption as we can, for that is what garners support not murder. We must show that those of us who stand against this state corruption are the good guys. We are not some violent group of terrorists who are quick to don the pitchforks and torches and beg for blood. Removal of due process, the initiation of violence, and abuse of power these are tools of the State, not of the peaceful revolution. Those who would take an innocent life to incite change are no different than the mass murdering sociopaths within the government. But police are not innocent, some will say. What are statements such as that one, other than calls to remove due process and act as judge, jury, and executioner, just like the corrupt police? Yes, police uphold a system of immoral laws that lead to the harassment, kidnapping and death of innocent people. But these are mere symptoms of a much larger problem. The police state didnt suddenly pop up overnight. Its a product of society. More accurately, its a symptomof a sick society that we are all complicit in creating. Our only means of changing this sick society is changing ourselves. We have to remove our dependency upon a group of people who use violent coercion to achieve what they refer to as order. When enough of us do this, the police state becomes irrelevant. To quote Butler Shaffer from his eye-opening book,The Wizards of Ozymandias: We will not become free when the state goes away. Rather the state will go away once we are free. Taking an aspirin for a headache only masks the symptom of that headache, it does nothing to eliminate the cause. One cannot eliminate future headaches by constantly taking aspirin, in the same manner that one cannot change a violent State by acting within the rules of that State; violence will only be met with more violence and more support for the State. We must show that policing society does not have to be like this. We must expose the faults of this archaicsystem of using violence to solve every problem that arises. We must show that there are alternatives to this type of policing and these alternatives will eventually make the old system obsolete.This has already begun. We are now witnessing the free market reacting to an incompetent and violent police state by creating alternative means of community security. Apps like Peacekeeper, which connects community members directly to each other to foster community interdependence by empowering community members to protect one another, are popping up as a reaction to police violence and corruption. Organizations like the Threat Management Center in Detroit are popping up in response to police incompetence and negligence, and they are proving to be magnitudes more effective than actual police. The new system is being built and is quickly showing the obsolescence of the old. But here is the kicker all these alternatives go away as long as people keep initiating senseless violence. We can say goodbye to all these positive aspects of society reacting peacefully to the police state. Every act of senseless violence is a step backward in the fight for freedom. Do not mistake this as a call to pacifism. No one is advocating that you lay down and lick the boots of tyrants as they oppress you. Self-defense is a natural right. This is why we see laws popping up like the one in Indiana that legalizes the shooting of police if they enter your home and pose an unjust threat to you and your family. Georgia Sen. Mike Crane is running in the states Republican primary to replace U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland. Any politician seeking office in that very conservative state must pledge their support to cops and authority figures. But Crane, being a strict constitutionalist, believes that no-knock warrants are illegal and unjust. He was even filmed at a town hall meeting noting how shooting at unannounced intruders in your house is just, regardless of the badge. The actions that we are taking now like filming the police, photographing and documenting their corruption and standing up to their immoral rule, are the real catalysts of change; and again, they will all go away if the violence continues. This one photograph from Kent state, showing the murderous nature of the police state did more to incite change than any amount of violence could ever do. The video of Eric Garner did not lead to the indictment of officerPantaleo, but it set off a wave of peaceful resistance like weve never seen. Sports figures, movie stars, newscasters and even lawmakers have rallied together to put an end to this senseless police brutality. The two videos of Philando Castile and Alton Sterling were waking Americans up. Now, their tragic deaths are put on the back burner as the nation grieves the senseless murder of the Dallas police officers. If you think that we are losing this battle, however, think again. Police are frequently contacting The Free Thought Project and asking how they can help stop this ridiculous police state, and we are working with them to find new ways. One of the ways is a fund that weve recently set up to help whistleblower officers. There are organizations like LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) that are fighting the odds and standing up to their own peers and seeking peaceful change. There are movements across the country which are forcing police departments to carry their own personal liability insurance.This would stop the unaccountable flow of taxpayer dollars to pay for police misconduct, and hold the officers directly responsible for their actions. We are winning and can beat these tyrants. But if people continue to stoop to the same level of senseless violence and removal of due process as them, we will not only lose, but guarantee that there will never be another opportunity to resist again. Matt Agorist is the co-founder of TheFreeThoughtProject.com, where this article first appeared. He is an honorably discharged veteran of the USMC and former intelligence operator directly tasked by the NSA. This prior experience gives him unique insight into the world of government corruption and the American police state. Agorist has been an independent journalist for over a decade and has been featured on mainstream networks around the world. Follow @MattAgorist. This was fake At least staged. MK-Ultra? in case the author has been sleepingTHE POLICE ARE AT WAR WITH THE PEOPLE. When good cops dont take a stand against bad cops the good cops are going to be in the line of fire just the same as the good Nazis who were just following orders. Agree, seems hopeless. Maybe now its best for all patriot websites and talk shows to shut down and go underground (hunker down) since nothing has really been accomplished since the internet got going with patriot websites, talk radio. Downhill esp. since 9/11. Few if any have awakened in years and nothing really gets done. The bad guys have all the weapons and we will be trampled trying to resist any tyranny. Hiding out and leaving cities best option if possible. Many cannot, for various reasons. Train wreck over a cliff just ahead. Article explains exactly why patriots will utterly fail trying anything which is 21 century weaponry and few alpha males in this country left. Matt Agoristhmmm. For whatever reasons, something makes me question WHY you wrote this article more than what you are saying in it. Could you enlighten us to why you felt the need to push such a message given current state of affairs? To me,it seems he feels the build up of an horrific SWAT like no-holds barred policy of law enforcement, along the lines of the most militant martial law, a Gestapo form of law enforcement, and he is scared to see that become reality. He feels there is only one chance to stop the progression toward martial law, and that is what he is recommending. At the heart of what he is saying is, dont harm or take on the cops, furthering the them versus us mentality that will cause the cops to close ranks and come after every American. How do you know the mind of Matt Agorist? Let him defend his own writing. Let him speak for himself. However, he cannot be bothered with such things while he rummages around on the Internet for some story he can spin up and fling onto a website like this one. Since I actually read his article, and have read similar writings, and as i prefaced my remarks, it seemed to me that he feared the Why dont you try to educate yourself before throwing more hostility, hatred and violence on innocent people. The writer has the same rights you do to put his opinions in writing. You are merely flinging your ignorant opinions on paper. You are merely rummaging around in your uneducated, hateful brain for something to say. Too bad you have nothing worth reading to say. I read the article too. That is your first wrong assumption: that I did not. Got Flaming Medusa spews vile? Free Speech. Freedom. You no like, live elsewhere, blog elsewhere. You add nothing of importance or edification. Just spew. Whats with you? What is wrong with me asking Matt Agorist the question I did and why do you feel you somehow feel a need to detract from that? Ahhh, you too, have an interest in that question and how it is answered, or not answered. What narrative are you supporting? He is applying Sun Tzus dictum. Discourage people from fighting and you can walk all over them. BINGO! Matt Agorist sounds more like statist snake in the grass after reading this surrender-monkey screechfest The two videos of Philando Castile and Alton Sterling were waking Americans up. Now, their tragic deaths are put on the back burner as the nation grieves the senseless (?) murder of the Dallas police officers. Hmmm now, that couldnt possibly be the point here? But hold on, I should probably take off the tin-foil hat A lot of important news stories are now on the back burner. Love your sarcasm! Leave the hat on, it is now a badge of courage of those who actually think for themselves. Distractions, Distractions lets be clear about this, they have brought this on themselves, I have seen four videos where the police have stopped a car, and each time the people inside the car had no chance, because the police officer behaved like an hysterical schoolgirl, and he has fired his weapon without any provocation from the victim, I am not trying to blow up how good the British police are, but they are way above the US POLICE, in my opinion the US POLICE are the OFFENDERS and the LAWBREAKERS, PLUS NOW THEY HAVE BECOME THE ENEMY, because if any family of mine was killed any these screaming Banshees I would want to know the reason why, many of the police officers have served in a war zone before joining the police and they have not been cleared for duty, that is why they cant perform like a normal person, because they are already damaged goods. if something has to change it has to be the police force, because they are coming murder and getting away with it, unless the world is going through a reversal where the good guys are inside, and all the bad guys are wearing uniforms. So you dislike veterans.. There are movements across the country which are forcing police departments to carry their own personal liability insurance. This would stop the unaccountable flow of taxpayer dollars to pay for police misconduct, and hold the officers directly responsible for their actions. Just a minute, lets think about this. If ALL the police departments in the U.S. need to take out liability insurance, at the taxpayers' expense, and that insurance is going to cover all of the anticipated settlements for police misconduct, wont that just spread the costs around to taxpayers everywhere? Not to mention factoring in a nice fat profit for the insurance industry? Nice to see someone is thinking! Nice to see at least two people are thinking, Cal and BRtanner. You screen applicants to find those within a narrow range of acceptable intelligence (not too dumb, not too bright), you hire from amongst them a bunch of wannabe legal thugs who believe a badge and gun give them something akin to comic book superpowers over the general populace, you give them military grade weapons and Israeli anti-terrorist style urban warfare training, you show them by incessant Hollywood propaganda and by repeated real-life example that they are in a class of their own, a cadre-in-arms quite literally above the law, and what happens is exactly what youd expect would happen. Now lets give them INSURANCE AGAINST LIABILITY FOR THEIR WRONGFUL ACTIONS? What could possibly go wrong in this scenario? You boys that are taking old Matt Agorist to task over his sniveling article are right on. In addition to the things you have said and in consideration of the current police war on the people, gang bangers killing cops and cops killing gang bangers is behavior that should be encouraged. After all, both are nothing but mafia like criminal gangs in competition with each other to see how much they can steal from the people. The solution to violence is in unity! Unity knows not race, religion or politics; it is intelligence and logic working together to end human insanity. Unity can exist within the Community, Nation, and Humanity; if only, humans whatever side they have found themselves on whether inside or outside of any established and dividing entity stop and focus on what is right with respect for Life and each other! Unity is the person in the street,,, the police officer the priest or imam the diverse natures and colors of our physical garments defined as bodies the Natural Natures and Foundations of Life Itself the caring for each and other. It is time that Unity reawakens and comes back to life within our homes, communities, states or regions, nations and Humanity as a whole.There is no War going on! There is a powerful and occult mind-game going on that is forcing one against other! All of us can win that game by only sto playing it and uniting! I have a problem with part of the statement praising the death of innocent people why shouldnt innocent people be praised? Having spent a couple hours checking all the videos: wrong info put out by chief; 2 snipers on high, the only video of a subject shooting/receiving fire he is on the ground. This guy had no overwatch/sniper covering him. A couple of the other arrested were clearly not involved. One dead shooter, he may have been the only one shooting cops. From on high he should have killed for more as few bystanders were hit (and those may have been hit by cops) and there were plenty of targets as more cops came to area. Several witnesses stated the shooter was at ground level. Looks like most cops hit within first couple minutes. If more than one shooter more cops should have been shot at midway point. I say lone wolf shooter, good shot but not a sniper, no secondary kill zone. I would say non-military shooter, he didnt cut the pie, start out at best position (on high), had no tactical gear, no defense in depth or assault in earnest to get in among the targets. He was committed but not well trained. If you think that the American people can somehow win in a war against the military industrial complex that the US has built up in the last decade and a half, you are seriously delusional. Soooo, hows that victory in Afghanistan against goat farmers armed with World War I rifles doing after 15 years? The Taliban control as much of Afghanistan now as they did before the 2001 invasion, yet here you are spewing this idiocy about the supposed invincibility of the military industrial complex here. They havent won a war since World War II but they will win a war against 100 million armed Americans? F*ck outta here with that nonsense. I get it youve surrendered already and you want company in the camps yeah agreed, article is garbage, they cannot carpet bomb the entire country into compliance We havent won a war in 71 years, you make a good point. Why arent forces using hi tech weapons in the middle east anyway?? Because they are using crap hardware commissioned from no-bid pentagon contracts that dont work on cloudy days (drones) or when its windy and sandy (most everything else). The pentagon has become the biggest collectivist behemoth outside of the old Soviet Union and we all know how THAT monstrosity ended up OR He/she/it is in L.E., spawn of L.E. spouse of L.E. or parent of L.E. Since the dual citizen owned/operated Department of Homeland Security gifted the (true) nuclear rogue state of occupied Palestine with lucrative contracts to train our L.E. in dealing with domestic terrorists violence by them has shot up exponentially; Until everyone realizes that what happened in Dallas and other cities is exactly what the Left wants, Anarchists will continue these atrocities. The Cops arent our enemies, regardless what the media spins. Say what you will, but, 99.9% of Cops are not bad! So how come they cannot control and arrest the 0.1% that you say are bad? What slobbering maroon ! Yahhh, whats up doc ? WTF? Perhaps hes feeling blue today, PJ. Im sure he doesnt ordinarily call people maroon. sorry , I use the same service as BLM and my mail was hacked a few days back? No problem. So far I have been fortunate and evaded the attentions of the unwashed. If you do evil you are evil. 100% of police are bad. They may be IGNORE-ant and they may be STUPID (verified in court,) but that does not change the fact they are BAD PEOPLE for following orders without conscience. Until people understand this simple fact, expect more violence. bullsheet copsucker This is part of the Obama plan to cause widespread violence,shut down the conventions and declare martial law to prevent the election of Donald Trump. Dont fall for the divide and conquer. This is the gov and their agent provocateurs doing this stuff to destabilize the country. This isnt the people murdering these officers Agorist! The people behind this are your former employers. Any evidence to back up your statements? Yes, divide and conquer strategies work and are well used. Ive seen some evidence to support that anti-Trump protesters were paid. Ive seen evidence that counter intelligence (FBI, CIA, NSA) agents were paid to disrupt peaceful protests. Weve had a number of violent confrontations capturing the division and hatred between Americans. Has there been any evidence showing this is paid for, mind controlled or otherwise directed. Please share. Poletitions is where the bullets should be flying. The only real argument I have with this piece is the notion that cops are good. Lol. They are NOT GOOD, they are BAD PEOPLE. If you do evil you are evil. 100% of police are bad. They may be IGNORE-ant and they may be STUPID (verified in court,) but that does not change the fact they are BAD PEOPLE for following orders without conscience. Until people understand this simple fact, expect more violence. Dangerous people then maybe? Anytime someone can order them to cause harm, and theyll follow that order without thinking. Sorry to say, but every time we see these incidents we automatically think of programs like MK-Ultra, etc., and wonder whos driving the bus Is it the FBI, CIA, DIA, ATF, NSA, TSA, Homeland Security, etc.? Well ! why dont we just line up and lick their boots chicken little? We have let this monster get out of control by letting the elected and appointed official get away with violating their oath of office and letting treason slide. Now after Comeys performance , the people hear that the law breakers are just going to run over whomever gets in their way and just damn the Constitution. Sorry folks, you cant have your cake and eat it too. When the time was available and the means to get rid of tyranny, the damned football games and toys kept you preoccupied (Bread and Circuses). The women have been bamboozled through their emotions and the men are castrated shells especially on the Statist side of the isle. Boobus Americanus is getting a rude awakening just as Boobus Europanus is. Since when does six cops equal 560 citizens this year yet ? Herman, you say: Clean out the out of control elements at the Federal and local level and render due penalties to ALL people of position that have knowingly or unknowingly violated the Constitution and/or their oath of office. No exceptions. Later you incidentally mention cats. We get this Throw the Fat Cats out! rhetoric a lot, and those of us who remember our fairy tales are inevitably reminded of the one about the Council of Mice, deciding to put a bell on the Cat, so it cant keep sneaking up and pouncing on them. Unanimous agreement attends this excellent idea, till they get to the sticky part: Who among us is going to bell the Cat? Unfortunately, as it turns out, all present had prior commitments. The story doesnt explicitly say, but Im guessing if the Cat ever does get belled it only happens when a sufficient number of Mice realize for whom the bell actually tolls: every single one of them. this guy that wrote this is a moron. in Iraq and afghan we lost to a bunch of guys in bathrobes and flip flops. this idiot is saying we can change them thru stupid voting or demonstrating . never happen they have to be killed. texas cops got payback for killing all those bikers sniping from rooftops not connected but payback anyway I have seen the enemy and it is the cops. They are there and ever have been there for one reason only: to control the working man and serve the rich. During WW2 the Dutch police co-operated with the occupiers. Do not ask me to respect the working class traitors. Making it worse is the plan. BlackLivesMatter is working for obama to create the chaos he wants to institute unlawful and unconstitutional martial law. The BLM are useful idiots who will experience the same fate once obama is finished using them. this is all planned to bring further destruction upon the usa. kind of a puzzle piece leading up to the solutions which the NWO has prepared. It is definitely a warthe cops have become a huge unionized street gang, and very dangerous to the law abiding public they are supposed to serve and protect.. the cops have become very macho, and obviously watch too much TV and movies of themselves..they do not know the law, probable causeor anythng, its al macho gun play to themmaybe incidents like this, will start them on the path to correcting their behavious. Nope, incidents like Dallas will cause the police to become 1000 times worse, and that is the point of this article. the US POLICE FORCE are already the worlds worse, how much more can they be Gee, Arlene, that just isnt true, and they could be a lot worse, which is what this article is trying to say. If the police believe they are being attacked, and after this mornings new news about Missouri and Georgia attacks on police, things will radically shift in the US, and Im surprised someone as smart as you cant foresee that. What are you talking about ? They are the worse by a mile ! Willful ignorance IS UNETHICAL . Iceland also is pretty peaceful. But just selecting a few countries with low cop killings and listing a few is very uncompelling. Smart, and check out 4 countries in Africa where gays are arrested, torture and imprisoned or just killed by the police for being gay. The list of atrocities goes on and on. The official records for China in 2014 claim only 12 killed by police? Lets look at the last years that United Nations observers were allowed into China to investigate their human rights abuses (2003-2004). In 2003, the Chinese admitted their police killed 460 civilians, but the Chinese engaged in immediate executions, meaning no trial or other due process, to kill another 10,000 people. In fact, the Chinese have admitted that they execute at least 5000 people/year, and as many as 12,000/year. You see, Sarah, whether the civilians are shot down in cold blood, or, arrested and then immediately executed by the State, without any due process or trial, that means that China is killing thousands of its own people every year. That is the reality. Those are the facts and your assertions above are on the level of fraud. The United Nations found that torture in China was widespread, and that hundreds of civilians/year died under torture. Most of the torture is very specific and intended to result in the death of the person being tortured. China has 700 prisons for adults that house over 1.5 million persons, under harsh conditions, and all prisoners must work. More organs for organ transfers originate in China than anywhere else, and most of those are coming from the thousands executed every year. Is it willful ignorance that you have no working knowledge of China and its human rights records? Lets not even touch upon the millions and millions of Chinese murdered during the 10 years after its conversion to Communism under Mao in 1959. Now, the truth about China, so different from what you claim, still doesnt entitle American law enforcement to engage in the abuse and misuse of their official power. We must work to prevent this. First, who benefits from peaceful protests all of a sudden turning bloody? Who benefits by dividing into firmer lines against each other between the people and those who serve the people as law enforcement? What are the things that this action here can cause to further the destruction of the USA, putting it further into a One World Government? If you think the PTB will not murder law enforcement, military, and the general populace to further destroy our nation from within, you are not thinking or paying attention. I will bet when the dust has settled, when it is REALLY investigated that it will be found as the others previous actions such as this have been, committed by paid protestors, paid provocateurs, mercenaries to cause further battle lines to be drawn between the people and law enforcement, between races, between other divisions that can be used against us. I would not be surprised to find out that within the LE community itself will be found some of those who fired upon their own, along with outside assistance. What needs to be done is instead of turning all of us against each other by ever dividing means they can use, we start erasing those lines and defend each other, because when they can no longer get Americans to destroy each other over CAUSED internal divisions be it race, LE vs people, etc then the real fight will come to finish off those of us left. Stand for America, stand for the US Constitution and your state Constitution, stand for Americans whoever you are, whatever position you occupy, because if we do not stand against this, we all will fall. If we do not recognize that this is deliberately brought about to divide and conquer us we have already lost. Looks more like a photo op all the cops behind the wall are concerned about what? Some people mistakenly believe that just because the police have been militarized and the government is at war against the people, that the people can return fire. They are wrong. f you seriously, f you after all they have done. long overdue Lets be clearsince hippies were getting their skulls knocked in in the 60s, we have tried (in EARNEST weve tried) to change the systemthrough protest (both peaceful and otherwise), through education, through the courtsall in vain. The fact of the matter is the system is designed to resist change both from without and within. I think weve tallied enough usurpations by this point to call on the Declaration of Independance (and backed buy the 2nd amendment) as evidence and reason that the time has come to abolish the old (through force) in institute new protections for the people. I believe quarter must and should be given. That they be given the oppprtunity to surrended their arms and badges, and allowed to go home to their families if theu choose. That we must demonstrate unto them the mercy they have refused us time and again, to prove unequivocably that we are the better men (and women). Because we are. Three problems: 1. When non-violent means fail to produce results, violence is whats left. This is what is required. Weve been trying to use the courts for over 50 years now, they own the courts. 1. Using violence makes you as bad as our masters. 1. So the folks that fought for our independence were as bad as their mastersMr. Washington was certainly glad he didnt have cowards such as you serving in his army. We would still be knealing to the crown. Makes me wonder who, exactly, you work for in that you find the need to attempt to shape public opinion in such a manner. 1. Returning fire is defending yourself, your rights, and your property. On many points (such as tsa, patriot act, et al, we agree on. At the end of the day, our elected officialsarent. Theyre puppets. Putting them in prison amounts to very little. We need to get rid of the puppet masters (Israel, for one) before anything will matter. Your proposed random murders have escalated to getting rid of random countries. Prior to 9-11 the TSA did not exist, indefinite detention did not exist, the NSA did not spy on American citizens, the police werent given armored assault vehicles, and Americans could not be assassinated without trial. This is very true, Matt, best part of your article. Not long after 9/11, when I was pointing out the problems with the official story to friends and close relatives I was told, hey, fuggeddaboudit, its old news. Even if it was a put up job theres nothing you can do about it. But owing to many peoples willingness to just let it go, we have everything youve mentioned, and more which you did not. But unfortunately you go on to assert: The police state didnt suddenly pop up overnight. Its a product of society. More accurately, its a symptom of a sick society that we are all complicit in creating. It would be great if such force could be effectively employed against only the evil-doers. Thats not going to happen for all too many obvious reasons. You worry that things may get ugly? Things already are ugly. This is a fight which was and is being brought to our doorstep every single day. An enormous amount of noble, peaceful work has been and is being doneand Im afraid its far too little, far too late. Barry would probably like that! He probably planned it An American insurgency can stop the GOVT thats why Gun ownership is so important. They wouldnt be trying so desperately to take away weapons if they were not afraid of them. Guns are NOT the problem an overbearing state and criminal subculture are. ..You got it back to front, Mate even your President knows that Obozo is a joke. A puppet for the globalists and he goes along with it like the good yes man he is. President doesnt know SH** he does what he is told. 