New Yorkers Without Enhanced ID Could Face Travel Restrictions From Homeland SecurityBy John Galt Enter the enhanced drivers license. First off, its worth noting that having a drivers license at all is a restriction on ones liberty. Nevertheless, for those who have given in to that bit of soft tyranny, it now appears that the standard license is not going to be sufficient to travel as you wish. New Yorkers looking to board a domestic flight or take a cruise next year could find themselves grounded unless they have drivers licenses containing additional security data soon to be required by the federal government. Thats because the state has failed to comply with the minimum standards of the federal Real ID system, according to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security The enhancements include essentially turning the drivers license into a passport even for domestic travel and access to many domestic locations. Naturally, it also is replete with the latest tracking tech. When originally announced to New Yorkers in 2009 it was intended to be used instead of a passport to return to the US by land or sea from Canada, Mexico and some countries in the Caribbean. Now, however, it appears to have expanded to go on a cruise or to enter most federal buildings. The insult added to injury is that it is going to cost significantly more than the standard licensing fees, which has thus far slowed any talk of mandatory adoption by the state of New York. And as an added bonus applicants must show up in person. Emphasis added: New Yorks Department of Motor Vehicles has resisted making everyone get them, because of the additional administrative costs to the state and the 50 percent increase in the license fee for drivers (an enhanced license costs $30 more than a standard license), DMV spokesman Joseph Morrissey said. It also wants to avoid forcing all applicants to make the required in-person applications to obtain the licenses, he said. This announcement is troubling on more levels than just the enhanced tracking of ones movements and potential restrictions on ones innate right to travel freely. It all stems from the federal Real ID Act that was passed in 2005 in the ongoing opportunistic wake of September 11th. The federal guidelines have been adopted by most states, but a few holdouts like New York feel that they are compliant with the federal regulations simply by offering the enhanced IDs as an option to their residents. So far 800,000 New Yorkers have an enhanced ID, but this falls far short of the nearly 12 million active licenses, highlighting just how excited people seem to be about giving up more rights and paying to do it. In the end, it might take quite a while for individual state bureaucracies and constitutions to sort this all out. The federal government would like to see full adoption by 2016, but one blogger in Arizona highlights that a law prohibits her state from complying with federal mandates. This appears to be one significant hurdle among many in the attempt at the full usurpation of states rights by the federal government, in addition to the egregious imposition of federal rule in what is a Constitutional Republic comprised of independent and autonomous states filled with supposedly free citizens. One must wonder, then, what other restrictions will be imposed in the name of national security if this is not fully resisted while still in its early stages? What is happening with Real ID in your state? Please leave your comments below. Sources: John Galt writes for selfnewsPost.com Ohio Refuses to Enforce REAL ID Standards Well according to the article, that isnt good either because you will never be able to take a cruise or travel to another country. Prisoners is what we are. Forget fema camps, the whole United States is a damn fema camp Chattle farm is more accurate, open range even, right up to the fence. Oddly, when you ask these nazis what personal knowledge do they possess that proves that their CONstitution and all promulgations arising from of or by any alleged authority grant by their CONstitution, they go blank.. they cant comprehend the question, THEN THEY LIE! They have no such knowledge nor any evidence of applicability, just a gun and a willingness to murder you! lol, men with uniforms and guns rarely can comprehend anything beyond their barking orders. Comply or they will call more of their gang to help them murder you. Hows that so-called freedom working out for you DUHmerica? Hmmm? So its the Hunger Games wherein the game, that is us, need special papers to leave the hunting grounds patrolled by agents from federal DC. Dont you just love that hope and change thingy? Since the enhanced ID per the article specifically provides proof of US citizenship, does this mean illegal aliens and legal residents cannot obtain an enhanced ID? Does that mean they are not allowed to travel on those facilities? Oris a special case made for them by allowing them to use other NON-enhanced documents such as green-card or consular ID card or a NON-enhanced passport/visa from their native country? It also seems odd that the federal government is allowed to determine US citizenship status for simple local/domestic transportation when border state Sheriffs for border security investigations are not allowed to do so by the DOJ. Next in line: private automobiles See my comment above. They have already applied it to privately owned automobiles in any state/area within 100 miles of a border. This also includes the Atlantic and Pacific coastal regions. Border patrol and TSA VIPR has already been stopping motorists and arresting them for not having proper ID to travel within the U.S. Atlas shrugged? How does the federal government justify requiring enhanced ID at all? THE primary argument against voter ID laws is that they disenfranchise low-income voters due to the prohibitive cost of a State ID or Drivers License (even when many states offer State ID/DLs for less than $3 per year). Yet, to freely travel in the US one must pay for an even more expensive enhanced ID? Why isnt that also discrimination against the poor? Can you say Double Standard? How is requiring IDs to vote a hinder on low income? The majority of low income, if not all, already have some sort of ID. We all need an ID to purchase alcohol, buy tickets, get a credit card, rent a motel room, rent a car, write a check, etc etc etc. The ONLY reason to be against voter ID is so liberals can continue with their voter fraud. Exactly, in order to get government assistance you need some form of identification. In order to begin drawing my retirement I had to send to my birth state for a certified copy of my birth certificate (where will Obama write?). That, along with a copy of my drivers license, had to be sent to the appropriate agency before I could receive the retirement money I paid for. Having to shown proof of citizenship to vote is needed and should be mandatory. This would prevent Obama from voting. read the article it is NOT a federal thing it is New York With respect, how about reading the entire headline (and the article details). Homeland Security is the driving agent for this requirement. Homeland Security is federal. TSA is federal. New Yorkers looking to board a domestic flight or take a cruise next year could find themselves grounded unless they have drivers licenses containing additional security data soon to be required by the federal government. Thats because the state has failed to comply with the minimum standards of the federal Real ID system, according to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Yes but as of now it effects new yorkers, why, cause the libs there will allow it to, I know it is comming to other places but interesting they did not try it first in a red state Note that freedom of movement is fundamental (absolute). It is not qualified by except when youre on a plane, or a train, or a boat As early as the Articles of Confederation the Congress recognized freedom of movement (Article 4), though the right was thought to be so fundamental during the drafting of the Constitution as not needing explicit enumeration.-wiki *The Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights, provides that The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.-wiki Wile your information is on the spot, especially regarding the constitutionOUR government has not followed the guidelines of the constitution for many years, and is going out of their way to make us into a communist country. They have proven over and over again that they will make laws that take away our fundamental rights as citizens. Even worseoften its not even legislation that attempts to strips away a Rightits tens of thousands of arbitrary regulations imposed by unelected, appointed persons or agencies. I agree. Horrifying,, JESUS,keep your hands on your flock You would know..syphilis has killed off every intelligent brain cell you had. I am part of his Flock..But you my friend,even though your being hateful. May you be one ,sometime Maybe on wrong post if your speaking to me. nope, Im talking directly to you..pompous zealot bigot Ohio will not enforce enhanced ID laws. Almost all of Ohio is within the 100-mile border zone with Canada. The Border Patrol can now stop you in your car on the Interstate. If you do not have real ID, the border patrol can arrest and detain you at will. The same goes for driving in any Northern state (ME, VT, NY, NH, PA, MIetc.) Border patrol and the TSA VIPR squads, can and will arrest you and hold you indefinitely for driving your vehicle in the U.S. TSA is now showing up at Greyhound stations and AMTRAK depots. What was that you were saying about freedom to travel? Some years ago, in an attempt to cut back on their overwhelming welfare caseloads, some of the states instituted residency requirements in that a person must have been a resident of the state, say, for six months before being eligible for welfare. Those were struck down by the Supreme Court on the grounds that they violated the right to travel. But if you are an illegal the government cant jump fast enough to make your life easier, and no ID required. All you can think of when you read this article is that its not fair, because they are not making the illegals apply for one? really? Come on man, wake up, this is not good for anyone, no matter what their status is, start asking the right questions when these issues arise. You may need to wake up and get the cobwebs out of your eyes. Please read what is written, not what isnt there. I said nothing about illegals getting one, my point was, as citizens the government makes us jump through hoops while they kiss the butts of illegals. SO TRUE HOW VERY SAD. TRAGIC. The name Homeland Security only means they provide security for the would-be puppet masters in D.C. That department should never have been formed. The functions it was given were ripped from other departments that were perfectly capable of carrying them out, then it was given the authority to walk all over our individual liberties by a frightened congress right after 9/11. Or security for everyone accept True Americans they let 911 happen. THEY KNEW THAT IT WOULD GIVE THEM FULL CONTROL OVER THE CITIZENS. THEY KNEW OBAMA WOULD BREAK THIS COUNTRY FOR THERE ONE WORLD ORDER. THE UN IS PUSHING OBAMA TO GIVE THEM POWER IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY HAVE THERE BASES IN JUST ABOUT EVERY STATE. JUST WAITING FOR OBAMA TO GIVE THE WORD.THE VOTES WHERE FIXED FOR OBAMA TO WIN. HE WON HIS SECOND TERM BY 2%. THOSE WHERE THE DEAD PEOPLES VOTE! Homeland INsecurity needs to be done away with, as well as the TSA and most, if not all, of the alphabet government agencies. This is becoming more and more of a police state. Am I mistaken, or didnt we have many Americans who died in the 1940s to keep this very thing from happening here? What they fought to prevent is what we are living in today. Great points, but they died for the bankster cabal. Take a look at Mike Riveros All Wars are Bankers Wars on You Tube. Its unnerving how weve been played., Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. NONE of the political talking heads seeking the appointment ( by moneyed bankers) to the WH will talk about repealing any of the legislation that legalizes police state status. The alphabet agencies own their civil authority. Apparently, they own the militarys too. We MUST resist it now. This administration has already proved that if you give them an inch, they will take a mile.-in fact our constitution is just about the main thing that is holding them back right now. Which is why obama is doing all he can to get rid of the Constitution!!!! One mistake you make Obie is that it is not just this administration. It has been multiple administrations. Most importantly is Congress is fine with the increasing police state. After all, it is Congress that is supposed curtail an ambitious administration and Congress must approve the funding. Freedixie, you just hit the proverbial nail right on its head The Dept. of Homeland Insecurity is a gross violation of the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution, and has to be abolished along with the TSA and most, if not all, of the alphabet govt agencies. In retrospect, however, what we see in this article is a mirror image of the old Bolshevik USSR wherein ordinary Russians were highly restricted from traveling even within their country; and agents of the CHEKA, GRU, NKVD, and lastly, KGB stopped people and demanded they show their identity papers. Christians and others the Bolshevik regime targeted as enemies of the state were immediately seized and either shot on the spot, or deported to slave/death camps in Siberia well known as Gulags. I couldnt agree with you more. We need to get rid of Homeland Security,TSA and the Education Department. They are all just employers of do nothing government employees who cause chaos and make life more difficult for American citizens while giving illegal immigrants a free pass to rape and kill or commit any other crime they decide to do. We need to get obama out of the White House ASAP before he finishes the job of destroying our country and our Constitution. You are delusional about why the first and second world wars where fought. The evil want to be empire of Germany attacked the super duper fantastically righteous British empire for the right to oppress and exploit all the brown and black people of the world. The Americans showed up lateafter the British had been fatally weakenedand scooped up the title of sole world power and directly started oppressing and exploiting everyone on the planet. They fought to protect the status quo and this is what they stuck you with. Enjoy the police state those heros for democracy build for you. The only way to stop this is if NOBODY applies or accepts it. PERIOD! You get one, you are part of the problem and why your freedoms are all but gone. Too many stoopid sheeple out there for that to happen. (No I did not misspell anything) Nonconformist. so what category do place yourself, a free man or a slave to government? Say NO. I think when you read between the lines the State of New York was handing out drivers licenses to any and all. You know ,if you think about it, that New York is ground zero for illegals from Eastern Europe, Asia, and Africa. The corrupt Dems want them to vote. They dont give a hoot about them learning English, our system of government, or inculcating into our customs and mores. I dont ascribe to the Libertarian view that a drivers license requirement is an infringement on peoples liberty. We want regulation of driving and we want people who are drunks or alcoholics off the highways. There should be a basic requirement to get a license like understanding of road signs and rules of the road. We have enough third world people driving around now. All you have to do is see videos of people in high traffic areas of places like Malaysia and India to get what i mean. The requirement for a license is not going to keep drunks/alcoholics off the road any more than the requirement for a background check prevents criminals from obtaining guns. Oh I dont disagree with you Bud but when they drive and their license is revoked then they get thrown in jail. My alcoholic friend who had multiple DUIs and got sentenced to prison would not get behind the wheel any more when he had been drinking. U need judges that will step on these people this is what they need. OK, yes, for us sane people that would be a deterrent. But as my high school English teacher was fond of saying, Theres always that 10%. This to track you down even if you are on the move.Fema/Enslavement/Reeducation Camp anyone? God help us, PLEASE! U.S.patriot,, yea,its bad.I dont know your color or you know mine. We.(ALL ) OF,GOD And JESUS Lambs cry for him and He is with us. No matter what color, if your a True AMERICANNows the time to defend our Country Together.. Passports have a location device built into them already. You can be tracked anywhere you go. So be careful where you go. An ACT is not law but is in-fact, mere Corporate policy with no authority, jurisdiction or lawful interstate nexus whatsoever. The only reason this is been applied is that the American people know absolutely nothing about who or what is oppressing and controlling them. THE UNTED STATES OF AMERICA INCORPORATED aka USA Inc., a private foreign owned off-shore international banking/military hostile invading occupational criminal cartel that, has been fraudulently masquerading as our sovereign Constitutional representative governing body since and before 1933 (See The Act of 1871) when our nation was manipulated into a contrived bankruptcy then, incorporated hypothecated, collateralized and monetized as corporate debt-slaves to pay-off all past, present and future debts incurred by the de facto fraudulent occupational USA Inc., which is owned and controlled by the Rothschild/Rockefeller/Vatican/London City, Crown Corporation cartel, known as the Empire of the City comprised of The District of Columbia (goddess of war and destruction), London City Financial District, England, and the biggest, wealthiest and most powerful corporation on the planet at over 2,000 years and counting Vatican Incorporated. The so-called Federal Government, is a complete fraud and is nothing more than a massive techno-fuedal invading criminal corporate cartel that has been lying, cheating, stealing, murdering and deceiving We The Useless Eaters since its fraudulent inception dating back to 1871 (actually earlier). The United States is a Corporation: US Statue Code Title 28, 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C), 16 Stat., 419, Chap. 62, 41st Congress 3rd Session. There is NO requirement for the American people to submit, obey, or comply with ANYTHING that is coming from a foreign owned off-shore international banking/military criminal cartel. Quote: Well know our dis-information campaign is complete when, everything the American people believe is absolutely false. William Casey Dir. CIA The District of Columbia, IS NOT AMERICA. It is a completely different corporate nation-state than our geographical landmass. Further, it has NEVER been apart of our sovereign union of states nor will it EVER. EVERY agency, department, representative, agent and so-called public official of the de facto fraudulent Federal/State Team Government, is acting as in pretending to be representing the interests of the American people, when in-fact, they are liars, frauds, traitors and FELONS, representing a foreign hostile invading corporate banking/military power that is in direct collusion with the IMF, World Bank, Vatican Bank, The United nations, The Federal Reverse, Bank of International Settlements, Goldman Sachs et al. Obama, is CEO and employee of USA Inc., and does NOT represent the interests of the American People. CON-gress, is Board of Directors for USA Inc., and does NOT represent the interests of the American people but rather that of USA Inc. It gets worse REMEMBER: Anyone running for office that does NOT tell you that they are representing USA Inc., is a FELON, liar, traitor and a criminal from Federal, state, county, and city to the smalls village is under USA Inc. The so-called CON-stitution was altered in 1871, to become a mere corporate business charter that ONLY represents the global ruling elite shareholders of USA Inc., and NOT the American people. The de facto fraudulent court system, is in-fact a private foreign owned and controlled occupational banking/military tribunal despotic legal system that is copyrighted, trademarked and registered for Vatican Incorporated, and managed through the International BAR Incorporated. When you walk into a courtroom you are entering foreign owned private property under Caesarian Roman marxist/fascist banking/military rulership, jurisdiction and authority that is complete alien to the 50 state sovereign states. As a Federalized Citizen you have waived all Anglo Saxon, and natural common law God-given rights proclaimed by the organic Constitution of 1776, ratified in 1789, accepting any or all benefits offered by the occupational criminal USA Inc., such as a Drivers License, Social Security Number, Birth/Berth Certificate etc. There is volumes more that I can not expose here. I hear this all the time from people contacting me What can I do, Im just one little person? I personally beat the IRS Incorporated, (yes, its a mere corporation) The Bank of America, Well Fargo, The Colorado Department of Revenue, and some of the largest collection agencies on the planet with my knowledge for myself and others. The criminal IRS, knows to never come after me again. They know I will show-up in their snake-pit with a full film crew, and begin asking questions that they are terrified of the American people knowing. They are completely legally exposed and they know it. You have a choice, you can remain a victim and one of the slaughtered sheep who continues to bleat and cry, or you can become a ravenous deadly wolf that knows how to protect yourself from our oppressors who want you to think that you have no power over your life. Gaining this knowledge is no simple task. Ive been at this for 32 years, and Im still learning something new even now. However, its worth every effort to protect your liberty and freedom, and to aid others in gaining it for them for the first time in their enslaved lives. You think you are free? Try not paying your taxes and see just how free you really are. PLEASE for your sake research: America Is a Corporation. This is the knowledge, power and solution that you are looking for. BY OUR IGNORANCE, APATHY AND SILENCE WE ALLOW again, the choice is yours. Very well said, when I tell people this they think Im insane. Ha ha, Ive been called every name you can think of for exposing this and far more. Insane is one of the more polite names Ive been called. The American people are so mind-controlled that it is truly appalling. Hint: when sharing this information I have found it always best to include actual US Statue Codes because, its documented. Ive learned to memorize these Statues so when Im at a party or social function I can reel them off perfectly. I always use their own damning documentation to expose the occupational banking/military criminals. Nice to hear from you and blessings my friend. Yes they would do that to WE the PEOPLE but not the ILLEGALS PERIOD What next, checkpoints at the state borders? This is another reason that Homeland Security Department and laws should be abolished. WWII was fought and with few exceptions such papers were not needed to go anywhere. What the federal government is trying to do is to treat all citizens somewhat like the Japanese-Americans in WWII. We need to learn from how these citizens were treated then and not allow this to continue! Further, these restrictions and more should be applied to non-citizens and all people in this country illegally should be deported immediately due to national security concerns. Well that is too bad for New Yorkers. I will continue using my passport and ignore these idiots You cant ask an ILLEGAL ALIEN for proof of citizenship papers or ID without violating some non existent right that is extended to them out of thin air, but the powers that be have no problem what so ever putting on more restrictions and taking away personal freedom and liberty from innocent hard working LEGAL American citizens,the ones that pay the bills to give benefits to ILLEGAL ALIENS. The backward thinking insane liberals fools go right along with the nonsense believing in some make believe security while apparently blind to the fact they are giving away their personal freedom and liberty that was fought and died for by so many. This country is heading in a very bad dangerous direction and people had better wake up before all freedom is lost or worse, voluntarily given away by the blind fools. I hate poorly researched writings. DHS changed the final rule in December 2014 shifting implementation enforcement out to 2020. Posted its notice in the Federal Register. And exactly who has time to read the Fascer, Federal Register to keep abreast of all this? to late freedixie with a corrupt government with dreams of being a hitler, the die is cast. i pity the babies for the stupidy of the parents, for they are the ones that will suffer. WE THE PEOPLE, do now hear knight John Galt for his award winning statements just posted four hours ago regarding Homeland Insecurity as we have researched since 2005 nationwide and investigated with creating the program, Truly Reforming Law Enforcement within the nations only law, Oregon Senate Bill 111 Law Enforcement Use of Deadly Physical Force mandated to be in full force July 1, 2008. Portland, Oregon had the lowest total murders of major cities of 20 to be compared to Chicago of the highest 500 murders per FBI records in 2012. Contact us for details at jmatlansky@gmail.com, Jerry Atlansky Founder/Chairperson United States Police/Oregon State Police-Independent Citizens Review Board these idiots need to be shut down for once and for all. .escape from New York..while you still can. Its not New York which is at fault here. Its the feds. Not to worry all loyal members of the Regime as soon they will most likely require all states to have manditory border crossings manned by the TSA and you will be required to pay a fee when crossing the border, L O L! I have not noticed any change in my states drivers licenses. My license does not expire for two more years, so by that time there may well be some of those changes. If we can get rid of our Democrat governor the Republican legislature may be able to block the new fascist travel requirements. Utah also passed legislation prohibiting the RealID Act from being implemented back when the RealID Act was up for passage.. When are people going to wake up and just tell government to F*ck Off? Ive heard of a training camp in the US, for DHS, that is a fake American town. I know of someone in DHS, who is training in the state this fake town is in. Makes one wonder, if they are going to use Homeland Security to institute Marshall Law, and does anyone know what is going on with Jade Helm 2015? No Col C,but you can find it on Utube or the web. I read something on themNot Good. There is no justification for limiting the Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights of Free Citizens. The Federal Government crossed the line decades ago ignoring the Constitution and expanding its intrusion into the lives of all citizens. The continual debate on immigration is a farce. The POTUS, nor the Congress, has the authority to grant amnesty to foreign nationals. These foreign nationals are citizens of other Nations without Passport or Visa to be in this Country. That is the bottom line. The Federal Government discussing immigration has nothing to do with these foreign nationals. If they were wearing a uniform, they would be considered an invading army. The Armed Forces would mobilize to drive this invasion back across our borders. The level of bureaucracy, special interests, and ignorant representatives muddy the waters of Constitutional Clarity. The States of the Union should designate a new Capitol for the Nation and seal the boundaries of the current Capitol to prevent the escape of any member of the Federal Government from the District of Columbia. I think this is RACIST as the poor will not be able to get this added to their current license because it needs to be done in person and they will not be able to get to the DMV just as they cant get there for their voter ID cards.LMAO This will not be any more secure than a drivers license. All it takes is some jerk to steal your wallet, get your card and cross the boarder as you! Now they have your social security number, tax records, home address and birth certificate! Making identity theft risk even greater. We need a tea party over this! I wont take on of these cards! why doesnt the govt just murder everyone, that way they dont need all this paper work and compliance They are doing so as you speak with GMO food and chemtrails. They have no love for LIFE just money and control. Since we will all die it doesnt matter to them if the timetable gets accelerated a bit. So if you have no Enhanced ID, what are they gonna do DEPORT YOU? The anti-christ National ID is here. Were near the end and not too soon. Unbelievable that the NY citizens have not squelched the public servants that are implementing said program . Sickly Security Stufff !!! 666 Coming to your Neighborhood Soon. And remember, Big Brother is just trying to protect you. At the V.A. Campus near where I live in N.Y. of course its out of site as you drive onto the property, but there a massive DHS Facility. Of course its only a few miles from Stewart Airforce Base another massive fed complex (it is reported that most of the heroin from Afghanistan flies into this base) . Also on this base is the National Guard. A few years back we had a threat of a hurricane or something like that, but as soon as the weather alert went up the National Guard flooded the streets in Humvees. It was amazing how fast and how many there were. So when they declare martial law you will not have much time to seek safety. These guys DHS and National Guard are ready. This gross system of communistic global government will be done away with Read Revelation. The Mark, Name or Number of this union of nations is IDENTIFICATION We will not be able to buy or sell without it. How Ironic that I find this sitenochipforme is my username:))) Test Serpent you must be an alcoholic, from that great demoncat cesspool state of New Yak! A scumb bag low life drunken alcholic killed my brother. He T boned him and ran off, did not call 911 and left his friend laying in the road. The Gestapo is raising its ugly head, and we need to cut it off. This Socialist Liberal government has overstepped its boundaries by MILES! Time to get them back in line with Constitutional Law, not these laws that some Greedy Crooked Judge or Lawyer made up over a whim! This is the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, not Germany, Russia, China or any other Socialist Communist country! Time to put an end to ALL the greedy crap that has been FORCED on America. Semper Fi. My understanding is that NO flight, even dosmestic, can be boarded in the US current without a passport or TSA authorized ID as of Jan 2016 I really wish Amtrak would expand its services, because starting in 2016, Amtrak and Greyhound will be the only options of travel for those without the passport/Real ID. Plus, since 2006, liquids and gels have been prohibited in carry on baggage on commercial flights. Amtrak and Greyhound would quite easily let you bring your toothpaste, cologne, body wash, sunscreen, and such in carry on. Mark of the Beast, Pat 1 As it appears unfortunately, there are too many sheeple that still truly believe that; 1, jet fuel burns at no less than 6,000 degrees, Fahrenheit and will melt a steel frame building to its core, 2, once a single floor goes, the entire highrise is going down to its bare foundation without question, and 3, even God Himself could never, ever stand up in a jet fuel fire. Sheeple especially that will totally turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to anything about past highrise fires even such as the Joelma Building in 1974, the Cyber World towers in 2008, the Windsor Tower in 2005, and even the plane that crashed into the Empire State Building in 1945, and the fact that no skyscraper has ever crumbled all the way down to its bare foundation due to fire. Its going to take a massive, monstrous amount of speeches, teachings, and convincing to wake the sheeple up. Unless of course the sheeple fight back with F-16s and AGM-65 Maverics. Clearly, America is on the highway to dictatorship at over 100+ miles per hour, and very few willing to grab the steering wheel and divert the countrys path. It is certainly no wonder even the Bible says that the whole entire head is sick and that the entire heart is ice cold. I am starting to get a feeling that freedom and liberty will perish in a loud, ground shaking roar of thunderous applause and screaming cheers. 