Science and Reason Takes Back Seat to 9/11 Official Story In Historic AIA Resolution VoteBy Bernie Suarez Thats right. 96% of voting AIA delegates voted with intentions and goals outside the realm of science and reason. Could it be that to 96% of AIA delegates two planes CAN symmetrically destroy three massive towers at freefall speed through the path of most resistance? Can it be that to 96% of AIA voting delegates a 47-story state-of-the-art tower CAN disintegrate at freefall speed due to ordinary office fires? If this was really the case, would you trust these people to build the apartment building you live in or office building you work at? The question all truth seekers and lovers of critical thinking, science and reason should be asking then is, why the overwhelming vote? As resolution introducer Dan Barnum explained afterwards: And Dan Barnum is quite correct here in that clearly these delegates are not voting with science and reason in mind, but with political interest instead. Perhaps they were afraid of the consequences of voting for the resolution. Very likely many of them had no understanding of the nature of the WTC collapse even as admitted by NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technologies). Many of them were propagandized by voices repeating WTC destruction theories including theories that even NIST has disavowed like the diesel fuel theories. Anyone following the global political scene for any length of time, who is aware of the globalist plans for a new world order and aware of the long history of U.S. government/globalist false flag attacks should be taking notes to improve your knowledge of how these false flags are not only carried out but how they live on for many decades. Many of us understand how the 9/11 false flag attack on America on September 11, 2001 was very well planned out. We have seen how the mainstream media and many ministries including almost every prominent news paper, magazine, TV, entertainment and news media network have all cooperated relentlessly with the censorship of 9/11 truth. The censorship we speak of IS the greatest story of 9/11. This is what our children and the younger generation should know. The censorship of 9/11 had to be secured and guaranteed BEFORE the event was pulled off. And like the great cooperation weve seen from the CIA-controlled Western media on the issue of 9/11, here we are 14 years later and the most influential organization representing Architects all over the country still submits to the 9/11 official story mind control voodoo spell when it comes to voting for action to investigate the obvious controlled demolition of WTC 7. OBSERVATIONS The split between reality and fiction that divides those who think critically and those live for the control system and the rewards it hands them in this life could not be any greater. Unfortunately, this is where we are historically, and it is up to us to continue the great battle of information against the machine that is uniquely designed to deceive and enslave the masses. It is up to us to face the reality that the globalist criminals which pulled off 9/11 would not have moved forward with the operation had they not had the assurance of censorship and cooperation from organizations like AIA. Anything less would probably have been a reason to delay the operation. Lets remember it has been over 50 years since the murder of president John F. Kennedy and here we are and we still dont have justice served on the murder. This should serve as a reminder that these government false flags are not easy to overcome. They take many generations to overcome; and, thus, patience and persistence is required. The 9/11 truth movement has accomplished many things over the last 14 years. Most people in America today dont believe the official story. There is probably no topic of government conspiracy which has been more written about, and has had more documentaries and movies made about it. Today the topic to many people is now old and forgotten, yet to this day we see the same level of top-notched censorship we saw in the early days after the event. REMINDERS The recent 96% AIA delegate vote against 9/11 truth is a reminder that whatever real gains we have with 9/11 or any government conspiracy and corruption issue will realistically be solved by resorting to solutions that start at the smallest level not at the higher levels. Let us also remember that perhaps this disappointing vote is a stepping stone to something much better down the road. History has confirmed many times that the road to truth is always very long and difficult. The powers that be will fight to the end to hold onto their power, and the last thing they want in this case is for WTC 7 to be brought under a microscope by the mass majority of American people. They dont want the obvious visual collapse to be scrutinized and brought into question and thus brought into the mass consciousness of the people. This decision by AIA is also a reminder that 9/11 is a special issue in that the general public has been conditioned to accept the blind 9/11 official story pseudo-science without questioning it. The power of hypnosis is real as is the power of mass mind control. Let us be reminded that the truth of 9/11 for many Americans who were there is apparently still too difficult to face. Sadly, for many who lived through the event and still believe the 9/11 official story (as we have seen with JFK), many of them will die never having understood the truth of 9/11. For this reason, as we grow and learn and as we slowly make government obsolete, as humanity continues to rediscover itself and awaken to the globalist (new world order) plans, the voices of those still asleep will increasingly be irrelevant. Their opinions are slowly becoming obsolete, their ad hominem logic, voodoo-like hypnotic Orwellian reasoning will slowly but surely join the ranks of retardation and psychopathy, no pun intended. All of this serves to remind us that we live in a complex multi-dimensional world which Ive written about before. Those still stuck in the 9/11 official story and those still believing in mainstream media government scripts do so because they receive the information in a single linear dimension. Meaning when they hear mainstream media news, since they think in only one dimension, their brain cannot expand on the information to apply multi-dimensional critical thought and logic to the information. Instead the CIA psyop buzz phrase conspiracy theory blocks this process and they subsequently never get past the single-dimensional thinking process. Thus they fail to see the multi-dimensional component of the world they live in. Ive learned to account for this engineered mental deficiency in my own interactions with these people. I do not debate 9/11 truth with the remaining individuals who still believe the official story. In my opinion they really are slowly shifting to a category of human suffering from a mental disease. The disease is inflicted by a governmental control system which has employed its experiment on the masses for a long period of time using sophisticated media and mind control tactics and technology. Truth really is realized and mass hypnosis, mind control and propaganda really is real. In order to see the reality of this, one must disengage from ones own ego and image of self and try to line yourself with simple truth. When you do this you will recognize that those who experienced 9/11 and still believe the official story really are suffering mentally even though they may be well-meaning people. (Im not referring to people who havent actually seen the evidence Im talking about those who do oppose the hard evidence after seeing it.) I do not believe however that it is proper to notify them of this reality because this reality will only be received as an insult (how could it not?). Instead learn how to separate the factual world you live in versus the interactive (people to people) world that surrounds you. As truth seekers we must interact with 9/11 official story believers in a way that sets aside your ego and hopefully pushes them toward the truth even if not immediately. As truth seekers we must also identify and acknowledge the proper level of mental functionality and clarity required for the topic so that we know how to best navigate our interactive skills with those around us. SOLUTIONS Finally, lets continue thinking in multiple dimensions, acting in wisdom within the knowledge and understanding that we have about 9/11 and about global events today, because doing so will allow us to stay sharp, educated, remain realistic about the future and allow us to stay positive about the eventual outcome of our future. This positive outlook will in turn allow us to enjoy our current lives while we live. Enjoying our current lives while living in truth will thus allow us to push the growth of humanity in the direction of positive solutions. This is the overall goal after all. All solutions in my opinion must follow the Learning Trivium First there is the Information and facts, then there is the Understanding which is the synthesizing of the information to be received in the proper context, and finally there is the Wisdom or action phase when truth seekers take action to change the world based on the understanding of the information they have. Let us therefore keep pushing the information which acts as a seed and spawns the first phase of the awakening and eventually the revolutionary action process which brings about change. Bernie is a revolutionary writer with a background in medicine, psychology, and information technology. He has written numerous articles over the years about freedom, government corruption and conspiracies, and solutions. A former host of the 9/11 Freefall radio show, Bernie is also the creator of the Truth and Art TV project where he shares articles and videos about issues that raise our consciousness and offer solutions to our current problems. His efforts are designed to encourage others to joyfully stand for truth, to expose government tactics of propaganda, fear and deception, and to address the psychology of dealing with the rising new world order. He is also a former U.S. Marine who believes it is our duty to stand for and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. A peace activist, he believes information and awareness is the first step toward being free from enslavement from the globalist control system which now threatens humanity. He believes love conquers all fear and it is up to each and every one of us to manifest the solutions and the change that you want to see in this world, because doing this is the very thing that will ensure victory and restoration of the human race from the rising global enslavement system, and will offer hope to future generations. .The disease is inflicted by a governmental control system. People are suffering from the belief in authority. Government is a purely religious belief a faith-based acceptance of a superhuman, mythological entity that has never existed and will never exist. The belief in authority, including all belief in government, is horrendously dangerous and destructive. The belief in authority dramatically impacts both the perceptions and the actions of various categories of people, leading literally billions of otherwise good, peaceful people to condone or commit acts of violent, immoral aggression. In fact, everyone who believes in government does this, though the vast majority does not realize it, and would vehemently deny it. THE MOST DANGEROUS SUPERSTITION Right on, Larken! Agree with the Croc man. The sheeple have been literally programmed since birth to believe lies. They not only dont know, they dont WANT to know, and get very annoyed with any who wants to wake them up. programmed to PREFER lies to truth, you mean? Pot,meet Kettle. The corrupt U.S. government is merely a reflection of the corrupt U.S. citizenry. When tshtf, it wont be the government shooting people down in the streets, itll be your corrupt neighbors. Whole lot of truth to that. Government never wanted to disarm the populacethey wanted you to get so afraid that you would arm yourselves through the teeth, wind ya up with false belief systems about conservatives, liberals, politics, immigration, police brutality, homosexuality, pedophiles, Christianity, Muslims, and set you lose on each other. Government will come in looking like the good guys to do clean up. PSYOPS 101 Nothing more than an advanced Holy Roman Empire ashkeNazi Germany of sorts that regrouped under a NEW NAME ashkeNazi,thats really cute,jerkoff. OH! I always wondered why I had guns! Thank you for straightening this out for me, you dumbshit liar. This vote was very sadit allows false flag attacks to continue as the modus I wonder if there was a single change to building codes after the WTC7 collapse? WTC 7 didnt collapse from simple office fires; it was demolished on purpose by the same Mossad saboteurs/murderers who did the same to WTC 1 and 2 hours earlier. God doesnt consider ashkeNAZIs or the Khazarian mafias to be Jewish. Was a brilliant plan while it worked unfortunately no rock goes un turned. Mr.Pevehouse,tear down that Adolf Hitler poster on your wall.Its alarming your friends and family. For godsakes AndyWho in the hell is Adolf Hitler? Just stare at it for awhile.it will calm ya down. I have mine,thank you! Thats because the Khazars (who had been pagans for centuries) all converted to Talmudic Judaism around 730 AD; thus, Ashkenazi Jews dont descend from Abraham, as they so claim, and have NO ties to the Holy Land whatsoever. Therefore,the Nazis accidentally murdered the wrong people! I see, Andy, you havent gotten the memo from other posters on this thread about doing your research before spouting your propaganda. Research?!? The work of mentally deficient fools??!! Only an idiot gets sucked into the Adolf Hitler was Heroic tar pit. And you are a charter member of that Festival of Fools. I feel sorry for you.Its not as if there are many else of yall out there to meet and greet.You would have to be the president of the Really Lonely Batshit Stupid Gang. yep Absolutely. Yep. True. Absolutely; they have less connection to Abraham, Moses, or David than does the late Haile Selassie, who was a direct descendant of King Solomon. They are FAKE JEWS, and they RULE ISRAEL, and real Jews and Ethiopian Jews are third-class citizens in IsraHELL. Yea,I guess your mates Adolf,Reinhard Heydrich and Eichmann were so addled on pills that they murdered millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of them non-Jews and left the real ones standing. There goes Eilleen again! Theres just no stopping her.Her go-to websites:all virulent Jew haters,replete with historical lies and nutty suppositions.American Free Press,Veterans Today,the nutjob Hitler fan at Tomato Bubble whos an expert on ovens. I know WTC 7 was demolished by someone. But this AIA group, by voting the way they did, seem to think it did. Call for changes to their building codes (to ensure it never happens again) and watch them change their tune. You dont know anything,Goober.Youve only been herded into a cult with misinformation,lies and nutty nonsense,easily disproven. Goober? Oops,I mistook you for your genius twin brother,Elmer.You know,the one who cant peck and poke out an intelligent sentence. Elmer? No,Loser. Architects and engineers have shown us the truth void of any Gordon Duff input you suffer from NLP ..if your clueless of what it stands for LOOK IT UP Yea,a relatively few,as the vote tells us.Way to misuse Plato.The really pertinent Plato allegory is the one about the cave,where things arent as they seem.Case in point ,the collapse of #7,which RESEMBLES a demolition but is nothing of the kind. I kust knew it was some personality defect that led me to actually do my due diligence on this story and not be cowed by a cult mentality. Now you,on the other hand get excited by the most ridiculous balderdash. You go,Jer. Gordon Duff = Government agent. Billie Burke=believes,like nutty Duff,that #7 was demolished by Larry. You suck at your job, Andy. What do they do to trolls that dont make the grade in your line of work? Where do I send the flowers? Spend the money on a geisha girl,you need one. On that day, a BBC reporter announced the collapse of WTC 7 while that building was still standing. I suppose she didnt get the memo from the studio producers. Mistake,it happens all the time with live news coverage. The FDNY had created a perimeter (pulled everyone away from the building) because they were sure the building would fall. This really isnt hard stuff.Why are you stuck on it? That really is the question. When you fell for the pull it lie you were ruined. Of course it was a mistake! Cmon man,thats just silly.The scuttlebutt around Ground Zero after 2 P.M. was that the building was going to collapse.The FDNY had created a perimeter by 4 P.M.News groups were undoubtedly aware of that.It was obviously an error by the reporter.Its not even close. The odds are that you want to believe what you believe because its more exciting,How else to explain your denial of easily discernable things like this. Forget #7.It wasnt demolished and its obvious.You do have to think it through,though. Just for the record, Ive been in engineering for decades, if not centuries. There is absolutely NO way You can clamour, ridicule and vilify all you want 3000 people were murdered in an operation that were Then how come no explosions were heard as the building collapsed? You already supplied the answer above. . . Try guillotining even one W14 X 730 column secretly. 11 of the 24 core columns in WTC 7 were that size, as were the 4 corner columns in each towers core, i.e. 4.91 flanges, 3.07 webs, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional areas. Ask Box Boy Gage and his more than 2300 [9/11 crackpots] to make a video of it with audio. 5 Thick steel flange ! ?? What,. are we going back to Who is the crackpot? O.k to spoon feed Obviously the cuts were not done by Perforation, combined with thermal destabilization, of the beam by a chain of shaped micro charges..muffled by . . sand bags (?) How difficult is that to conceive and implement? Any way, many reports of explosions from survivors were in fact muffled by our trusted reality sanitizers. Whats furnisher? That flimsy stuff carpets, paper, plastic, furniture, etc. Lotta smoke and flames, no real heat very much like you. I simply suggested that your 9/11 experts re-create this perforation, combined with thermal destabilization, of the beam [W14 X 730 COLUMN] by a chain of shaped micro charges..muffled by . . sand bags on video, with audio. Wouldnt you like to see how many tri-axle truckloads of sand bags per column would be needed to muffle charges powerful enough to sever 215 in^2 of structural steel? Fires fueled by plain old office furnishings easily reduce the yield strength of steel by 80%, and when building columns of any size are left with no lateral support for 7 or 8 stories, they inevitably buckle. O.k . . . you, and the rest of the gang of government cover-up trolls, pack some furnishings around 24 (W14 X 730) columns interconnected in a steel frame lattice where vertical connections on the columns are no more than 2.7m intervals. You then make a video to show us all how big the fire will be to begin to buckle the columns of 215 sq/inch cross area steel. Then, please, proceed to show us all, on video with audio, the inferno level required to suddenly collapse the entire lattice frame into its own foot print. Try to find all the available footage of the fire in the building, on that day, to determine where the actual damage occurred. In all of high rise building history your furnisher fire induced column buckle and collapse scenario have never occurred . . . except on that fateful day. It will be interesting to see the not so great misdirection troll Albury Smith replicate that. You want to know how big the fire will be to begin to buckle the columns of 215 sq/inch cross area steel, even though no one is claiming that fire buckled any W14 X 730 columns. Your 9/11 crackpots ARE claiming that explosives or incendiaries secretly cut them multiple times. BIG difference. From your previous comment: YOU!!..are the one who claimed that the columns .will inevitably buckle!! The onus remains on YOU to prove that .plain old office furnishings easily reduce the yield strength of steel by 80%.. and then cause the entire structure to collapse into its own foot print. YOU.. and your other troll buddies are showing yourselves to be the REAL CRACKLING CRACKPOTS!! The fires in WTC 7 did not directly cause col. 79 to buckle; they caused the floors around it to collapse, and it buckled from loss of lateral support as a result. You your 9/11 crackpots claim that it and many other massive columns were secretly cut with explosives or incendiaries multiple times, and I simply want to see how thats done to ONE column with 4.91 flanges, a 3.07 web, and a 215 in^2 cross-sectional area. ONE cut will do on video, with audio. I have a measure of sympathy for your tenacious insistence on the most absurd explanation for that surprisingly abrupt and complete implosion of such a staunchly constructed construction. Perhaps your psycho-freak employers might become irritated with your abject incompetence in conjuring up a more refined verbiage to weave your misdirection. They must be quite a terrifying bunch to have the majority of the American Institute of Architects quiver and quake in their soiled trousers. But.. . . I will take up your challenge! Entirely, of course, depending on how I will approach my grandma for finances to fund the experiment. Another quiver and quake in soiled trousers type of task, I have you know. Ummm, perhaps some funding from your psycho-freak employers?. . . . . . . I guess not. In the mean time please have a look at a previous, albeit partly botched, terrorist operation performed by your psycho-freak employers to see what happens to a building when only a small number of columns are compromised. This will be some Murray building in Oklahoma. Check out the pictures. . . . .quite revealing! If you think architects quiver and quake in their soiled trousers, try your unscientific nonsense on the structural engineers in the ASCE, SEI, NCSEA, SEAoNY, etc. ANY and ALL structural engineers who are even remotely entertaining Yes, WTC7 is a Sacred Tower as the memory of its destruction stands as a flaming icon to the deranged, psychotic dysfunction of your vile, treacherous terrorist employers. Youve just libeled almost every structural engineer in the entire world. Try your unscientific garbage on the SEs in the ASCE, SEI, NCSEA, SEAoNY, etc. if you want to see what nearly 100% rejection looks like. A handful of nutty architects is to be expected. ASCE, SEI, NCSEA, SEAoNY, etc are Even you cant be that stupid. The sick irony is that your, and your employers, absurd scenario But even then, you will still be left with a large, crumpled and buckled mound of distorted structural materials. Not this abrupt and complete implosion that we see. Go spread your crap somewhere else. Troll, it was SO OBVIOUSLY DEMOLISHED. You are ineffectual; your bosses might be offing you soon. Please take care. No,youve been so obviously demolished.It resembles,somewhat,a demolition without the loud explosions.It even toppled to the south as its collapse finished.Exactly in tune with the structural damage on the lower 10 or 15 floors after the blow from #1s collapse. Without the inflammatory craven lies about pull it,a few small fires and no plane hit it this story goes nowhere and qualifies as a curiosity. They were sure it would fall BECAUSE THEY WERE SO INFORMED. Have you EVER looked at footage of WTC 7? It was BARELY ON FIRE, and in a most suspicious manner fires that were clearly SET to provide a flimsy excuse for its collapse, which was prophetically announced just before it fell. What are you, troll, fool, or both? So the FDNY is in on the murder of 343 of its men? It was heavily involved in fire,as any dunce whos read the oral testimonies and searched for all footage of the building as it burned would know. Youre still stuck on the footage and pictures of #7 from the north side which your rotten misleading cult emphasizes and then lies about. Actually,Im your superior and you insist that Im an agent because youre getting shellacked. Loads of secret documents and no electronic backup? I thought Larry Silverstein did it so he could lose all of his long-term tenants and cash flow for years and have to rebuild it. Actually, Albury, it was for both reasons to destroy all evidence the CIA had offices and loads of secret documents inside, as well as Silverstein collecting a $7 billion insurance payoff after the destruction of all three WTC buildings. The insurance settlement was $4.68 billion, so you dont even have that right. Since you love to drink the 9/11 truth movement Kool-Aid, ask Box Boy* and his more than 2100 [9/11 crackpots] to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91 flanges, 3.07 webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7s core, and the 4 corner columns in each towers core. AMAZING PAYDAY! The three building he insured were the only ones to fall, the only three steel-structure buildings to ever collapse because of fire all happened within a few hours on the same calendar day! Yet more weak brew from El Foldo. Silverstein did NOTHING, government troll. He was tipped off by someone about the impending attack, so he he could cash in on it big time. His knowledge does not go further than that. Both towers were substantially empty of tenants on 9/11, many having been evicted so that the wiring of the buildings for demolition could be carried out. You should investigate, not castigate: there were ENTIRE FLOORS that were vacant. Both towers were built with asbestos insulation in 1970-71. The mitigation of this would have probably cost Silverstein in excess of 2 billion dollars. So he insured them against disaster instead. There was no ACM in the South Tower or WTC 7, and only the bottom 38 floors of the North Tower ever had any, most of which had been removed during tenant fit-outs prior to 2001. The towers were also ~96% occupied in 2001. Silversteins insurance payments didnt even cover 1/2 of his 9/11-related losses. Ha! Good points,as usual Albury! Good to see you here.My computer has been on the fritz,just getting back at it. They walk among us Nutty Burke just cannot figure that Silverstein wouldnt be able to secure a loan to buy the Trade Center without anti-terrorism insurance,in light of the 1993 bombing. not to mention the fact that his creditors forced him to carry higher limits, and he STILL lost billions on 9/11. Plus,go along with the premeditated murder of 100s of friends,business acquaintances and associates at the buildings that day. I like that. Eileen,who reads dodgy articles at every known Jew hater site has to be the easiest mark on the planet. Eileen,the fact is that anyone who isnt a gullible sap figured out that American Free Press,along with your other favorite nutjobs at Tomato Bubble and Veterans Today are known haters without a scintilla of credibility except in the minds of,well,gullible saps. Andy, they are not holocaust deniers! They are quite familiar with the ghastly holocaust that was It is only the atrocious, scandalous lying of the German hating jews that is being questioned. Particularly No evidence for the Holocaust of the European Jews during WWII? Have your head examined and hit the goddamned library,simpleton.Or are you so addled that the library is a conspiracy? You mean the (fake) diary of Anne Frank ? . . . ha ha ha! Or bullsht stories from that lying, creepy Eli Weizel critter? No, we want real evidence Doug the Mug,you really are a card! Andy, Andy. The Diary of Anne Frank is a forgery. Ten minutes with you at this thread and youve amply revealed yourself to be a total nutjob. That sound we just heard was you falling face first into the pachysandra. OOF! Thats gotta hurt! Doug, youve been duped by yourself. The Holocaust was 100% real. Only it was exaggerated for maximum effect by the Azkenazi Jews for maximum political leverage. Save it William! The hatred displayed against the German nation through decades of blatant lying and misrepresentation is now exposed through authentic historical data. The Holocaust of the Second World War is the fact that it happened and all participating nations suffered except those who actually created an enemy in Germany by publicly declaring war on Germany in 1933. After all the disgustingly vulgar lying and deceit from jewish media is assayed from the truth then, compared to Stalin, Trotsky, Roosevelt, Churchill and a gaggle of zio-banker psycho-freaks, Hitler turns out to be an honest to goodness saint! Another county heard from.This one in the Hitler column! St. Adolf sure has a goofy ring to it,hey Doug! Honest to goodness. Your second paragraph is a doozy!! The NIST WTC investigations resulted in 40 revisions to the 2008 and 2012 I-Codes, compared to none from ae911truth, which still hasnt done any investigation. Youre the hottest troll Ive seen so far this month! Each WTC tower was designed to withstand TWO hits from a 700-class jetliner. What happened to tens of thousands of 5 steel filing cabinets? 41 escalators? 14,000+ chairs and steel desks? Please explain in your most cogent voice, trollhead. It mustve been those secret explosives again Nutty Burke thinks youre hot!! Nuttys in for a disappointment Brian Goods been my bitch for years: Awesome! Even before clicking on your link Im getting a rush. I love it when he accuses people of making up facts.You cant make up stuff that stupid. Dont you get a kick out of the fact that theres always one goof who pipes in with the pull it lie? Dont you just love him? He claimed that NIST timed the tower collapses in 9 and 11 seconds respectively, and when I told him they didnt, this was his reply: 9-11, forever known as the day Truth died. I guess fire can melt steel!! Apparently, black smoke can melt steel. I stand corrected! Youre right! Hey everybody is, now and then! Apparent from what? NO steel melted in any NIST WTC hi-rise collapse hypothesis. You REALLY are deficient when it comes to identifying clear and obvious sarcasm. Too white, or too old? Both too old and too white, but I assumed that only the black smoke part was sarcasm. Is black smoke indicative of a cool fire too, or do you have more sense than the average 9/11 truther nut? Yep, black smoke = fire starved for fuel. And I refuse to respond to your 9/11 truther nut pejorative, which is CIA-inspired. Im 67 and conspicuously lacking in stupidity. Usually. There is NOTHING stupid about seeking the truth. Wise up, dipshit. Theres definitely something stupid about your black smoke = fire starved for fuel nonsense. This guys more feckless than most cultists.He seems to be stuck in a time warp on a couch upstate rolling reefers with Korey and Dylan. Didnt the Loose Change punks get out of the troofer business? Jason Bermas is undoubtedly apprehensive about showing his face in public.Not too long a go he was a big cheese down at Alex Jones crazy factory. Korey Rowe has been a cipher for years now and the fact that hes a military veteran and was literally in the Army when he produced the video makes his provenance highly suspect. Dylan Avery has now winnowed his conspiracy brief down to there are unanswered questions,lets leave it at that.A long,far,precipitous cry from pods,flashes and the Cleveland Airport Theyll always be despicable. I still remember Bermas repeatedly calling Jim Miegs of PopMech a liar during a recorded debate the Loose Change creeps were totally unqualified to be in. He did a nice tap dance around accusing the FDNY of his C/D fantasies too. What a stinking pos How are massive fires consuming all of the contents in furnished and occupied office hi-rises starved for fuel, pray tell? Are oil well, airliner, and tanker truck fires all starved for fuel too? Firefighters in the North and South towers reported most fires were WELL UNDER CONTROL before both fell from demolition felled them, killing hundreds of them. No firefighters reached the floors where the main fires were, so people who werent inside the towers were much better judges of their severity: Massive building fires WELL UNDER CONTROL in an hour or so when no firefighters could even reach them? Andys certainly right about you Nutty Burke is thick enough to try the ol fires alone jitterbug.How can he pride himself as a truth warrior when he tries to disappear two big jumbo jets? Do you suppose hes a no-planer deep down? Typical troofer No,but it can weaken it and precipitate a collapse. And the friction is what caused the five thousand plus degrees of molten metal in the pit for weeks. Molten metal.What kind of metal is the question.I would love it of the Controlled Demolition Cult could dig up more about that,because it is intriguing. CULT??? Like Jim Jones?? Not quite as bad,but a cult nonetheless. You can tell by the refusal to consider anything but the sacred precepts and the idolatry towards a Sacred Tower.The real give away is the apoplexy when you present an alternative to the precepts:Youre an agent,youre a shill,youre brainwashed. Ironic indeed,because if anybody in this world is brainwashed its the Controlled Demolition Cult who sit there and watch the buildings collapse over and over and over and over and over. I just observe what I see and draw a conclusion. Bill was right about the smoke. Ive heard the last 10 minutes of the lives of several fire crews over the walkie talkies fighting the 2 small fires in the stair ways on the 82nd and 83rd floors, and were starting to evacuate victims. As far as the heat source goes, I have no idea. Thats why they need to spend money like they did on Slick Willies blow job (38M) instead of the 800K that they did. What I see from you is a lot of nothing. My conclusion is your not a very nice person. BTW I was in a marine crash crew and 30 years high rise construction. Also, those planes had either JP-7 or maybe JP-8 as a fuel which has a higher flash point and lower burn temp that kerosene. What about my not a very nice person? You see a lot of nothing because thats what you want to see,turkey. I see a name calling, blow hard propagandist! LOL Prove me right! Not an inch of propaganda in any thing I say,unlike your crew who inhale the stuff daily,never vet the sources and then spew it out like instant geniuses. I guess you proved me right. Three buildings with two planes.How stupid do you have to be to use that argument. Yeah silly boy we would never see you calling names would we? So ewe think the Road Runner hit the twin towers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrOrDQflR44 Interesting,youre a no-planer. I think your tribe of lemmings are calling, and want you to lead them to the sea!! OK,so you prefer fiction to non-fiction.Youre a very human being. Why you hounding a lady saying true things? Building 7 was a controlled demolition. WTC was a controlled demolition. The buildings could not have fell as the story goes, scientifically impossible. Anyone who saw the main towers fall and who knows about controlled demolition knew exactly what they were looking at. A Jewish lightning job, performed with the aid of local authorities and the owner of the building. At the same time, the move gives, without a vote or appeal to the people, a facelift to old buildings that were becoming an eyesore to NYC, and jacked-up rent possibilties for a Twin Towers that was only routinely half rented out. Also, the move accomplished the task of blaming the Muslim Scourge and so generating more hate and support for illegal bombings and financings of wars instigated by Soros types against countries which refuse to play Banker Ball and the Cell Phone game. If you believe the official story, you are one of the brainwashed twits the powers that be rely on to continue their illusions, one of the suckers easily swayed by appearance over reality, a propaganda vacuum sucking at high speed. Cute,you racist jerkoff.Why would you brag about being as dumb as a bag of hammers and a Hitler admirer? Youre good for buying ugly black T-shirts from the insane little fat guy down in Austin,Texas,and thats about it,dumbass. Hitler, saved Germany from starvation. Paid off all the money owed to the crooks in Europe for WWI. Deleted the (Jewish) bankers completely. Had millions doing his bidding for him, I call that great man. As for admirer, not so much. As for the rest of your I s*ck government c*ck diatribe, please, you are one of about half the world stupid enough to buy the 9-11 official fairy tale. What you spew out is neither novel nor enlightening. Scientifically, you speak without knowing what you speak about. It was controlled demolition. We would have known that had not the pre-ordered cleanup crew been handily on the scene to remove all the evidence from public view. Several teams of workers were seen in and out of empty rentals and in the elevator shafts. Several photos exist showing the diagonally-cut beams. The towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 747, specifically. Plus, NO BUILDING EVER has fell that way from fire or any other means, straight down. There is simply not enough weight at the top to accomplish thisUNLESS you blow out the support beams in sequence, exactly as was donejust like in Building 7. We call it controlled demolition, and we call you, an uneducated, loudmouth, brainwashed monkey-minded galley slave and spokesman for the state. You do a lousy job denying that you admire Hitler,dogboy. 1400 F was the highest recorded temperature in the debris pile, and no explosive or incendiary known to mankind keeps any metal molten for months or even one hour. Molten Metals under WTC 6 weeks after 9/11 Fission. never did before, never has since. And huge towers have never been smashed into by jumbo jets full of gasoline,steel beams,debris and set on fire in such a way. No one except 9/11 truther nuts thinks any steel melted to cause a WTC hi-rise collapse. Only a cerebral Leprechaun would believe the Official Conspiracy theory. I guess the firemen just made that shit up? You mean about #7? What they say about that clinches it:no controlled demolition at that one. I have to wonder how many of the members of this AIA club rely on government for funding and/or contracts. Maybe not the individual member them self but the company or clients they work for. And then theres the possibility the members fear that painting a target on themselves might mean retaliation being direct their way by different governmental agencies. I think you just hit the nail on the head. Dont Box Boys more than 2300 [9/11 crackpots] also rely on [the US] government for funding and/or contracts, or are they all privately funded or independently wealthy? The 3892 160 count represents 160 more affirmative votes than ae911truth would get from the ASCE, NCSEA, SEI, or SEAoNY, so count this as a victory. No one with any knowledge of this subject really cares what architects think of forensic structural engineering issues anyway. I know that science provides us with the truth that the 9/11 tragic incident could never have occurred as the government said it did. However I was most perturbed by Obama, Ms. Clinton and the rest of their egregious team sitting in front of a video player watching with baited breath while a human being was assassinated by their paid killers, knowing full well that if they silenced him, the true story of 9/11 would never be told from the horses mouth! That really was an eye opener. Which human being assassinated are you referring to, please? Osama bin Laden, the only man that had the truth of 9/11 in his head! How ironic,Mr. Suarez cant take the time to read the oral testimonies in their entirety,while attacking all and sundry for lacking the ability to reason. Why do you totally ignore the crucial information contained in the FDNY testimonies? Put it this way:not a single fireman says there were loud explosions AS the building (#7) came down.How could there have been a controlled demolition in light of that fact? Funny, I remember hearing testimony that loud noises were heard even among the collapsing of three large skyscrapers. I guess those comments never got posted into the official accepted report, that is the whole purpose of this questioning discussion to find the truth. Vaguely nonsensical,that. Comments from who? Loud noises when? Testimony from who? Better yet,try wtc7lies,a paper by Mark Roberts which demolishes in a controlled,documented and thorough fashion the Controlled Demolition Cult malarkey about your Sacred Tower. There is plenty of testimony about loud noises and explosions but none of them as #7 collapses and topples southward. Yes,this is my two cents in the search for truth.No,I do not work for COINTELPRO or the NSA. This is also invaluable:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OviTulBP78 They keep deleting my responses to you Thomas. Wtc7lies paper by Mark Roberts will help. Plus this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OviTulBP78 They keep deleting my responses to you,Thomas. Try this,it will help:wtc7lies a paper by Mark Roberts Perhaps your language is the problem? Great link, but it only perpetrates the accepted storys contentions. After watching several building demolitions over the years, there is nothing that anyone can say that will convince me that building #7 was anything but a planned demolition. Even the recent movie, San Andreas, shows buildings collapsing in a fashion similar to the reasoning purported in the accepted story and not the way that building #7 is actually seen as imploding. I have lost my innocense and stopped drinking the cool aide. FYI: Towers #1 #2 also did not fall the way one would expect, as seen in the movie San Andreas, but that is beyond my expertise to make any solid judgment on. Read the paper and youll see the iron clad proof that #7 fell from impacts and fires.The FDNY knew by 2 p.m. that it would fall and they created a perimeter (pulled everyone away from its vicinity).The tower had a bulge in the same area #1 smashed into it (yes,it was hit) and was emitting creaks and groans consistent with a compromised structure.They couldnt fight the fire,no water. Also valuable:WTC Not a Demolition,at youtube/ Words will not convince me or others that our eyes have deceived us. The building may well have been on a path to falling, but just not the way that it did fall and not as completely as it did fall. BTW: Exactly how did building #7 catch on fire as it was not hit by any plane full of jet fuel? @tomb215:disqus #1 smashed into it and created a hole 10 stories tall.Fires ensued.The oral testimonies prove this.They arent making it up. People became overnight,instant experts on building collapses and controlled demolitions.Its actually kind of humorous. The video I encourage you to watch is invaluable. The truth is in the details. It simply fell in a manner that resembled a demolition.Nothing more,nothing less. So, if it looks like a horse and smells like a horse, it is probably a horse. However, if it looks like a demolition and smells like a demolition, it is simply not a demolition (according to you). And exactly what experience does the FDNY have with sky scrapers collapsing I understand that these three were the first in the world let alone NYC? So, the truth that a thousand architects and demolishion engineers and I see in the visual collapse of #7, is a bunch of bunk. However, the totally inexperienced FDNY and you are the experts on sky scrapers collapsing. I think that we have totally different ways of looking at the world and it is best for us to agree to disagree. Agreed. The truth is also in the video record : 9/11: WTC2 Thanks Scott, If building 7 were partially damaged by the collapse of the towers, it would have sequentially fallen in the direction of the damage. To see the whole top of the building to begin to free-fall simultaneously is beyond any degree of being plausible. Agreed. In the video record of the events of 9/11 all four top corners of WTC 7 drop simultaneously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qK4j32iuo It did topple to the south as it ended its collapse. Without your supplying the link, should you choose to supply it, your comment holds little value to this discussion. It is simple. If you believe that a handful of Arabs, who could not get a single engine prop plane off the runway and in the air, took control of three airliners, made one of them do aerobatics beyond the ability to withstand without breaking up, that pilots who had flown military fighters, them hundreds and thousands of hours in these planes said they could not have done in these air liners, you believe steel mets at 1800 % F. as per jet fueled fires, then you are a sheeple. Even if you do not have an opinion in how it was pulled off, could care less how it was pull off, but understand it was a false flag, then you are either awake, or in the process of awakening. Speaking of sheeple,and this is just a wild stab in the dark,did you just see Loose Change for the first time? Enlighten me, what is loose Change? An error strewn,nutty 9/11 agit-prop video made by three half wits. I watch very few videos, fewer movies. Read a lot. I have viewed the official story and the facts of the case and understand the official story should start with once in a land far-far away, and end with, and they lived happily ever after. there are several ways it could have been pulled off, will not personally swear how I think it was done, I will not spend my time trying to figure it out. Lots more to do and learn. Fair enough,I think theres been a huge coverup too. #7 is a honey pot destined to leave us stranded on the grassy knoll.A huge waste of time. Spent about 20 years studying the JFK, MLK and RFK assassinations; published and edited a respected newsletter on the subject for five years. You are 100% correct about the Grassy Knoll being a honey pot; I salute you for your perspicacity! (JOKE) Even the stupidest troll is right sometimes. Usually for the wrong reason. andy: a loose-fitted, half-competent government troll. Paranoid schizoid lunatic.I dont give a flip about what half-assed JFK cult fanzine you printed up and handed out on the corner,Ill kick you all over Podunk in any debate about Building 7,your Sacred Tower. Hi again, andy. The 9/11 truth industry was dealt another severe blow recently: You might want to watch it on YouTube. Andy is the Worlds Most Worst Troll. Totally incompetent, so hes probably a Commerce Dept. worker. Jet fuel is essentially kerosene. Some of you have owned, or do own, kerosene heaters, which are basically made of steel not even STRUCTURAL steel, which is fabricated to a much higher standard. Did one of them ever MELT when you were running at high capacity? Did it even get too hot to touch on the outside? Yet you believe this government fairy tale? ISRAEL DID IT, using the Saudi Royals as a cut-out. Yes, Cheney and Rumsfeld were complicit, and knew beforehand. The world will not be set right until all of these bastards are HANGED on national television! Better tell your congressman you will vote for a GOAT before him, if he doesnt sign onto setting this atrocity right again! Careful, you will confuse the sheeple with facts. Already they are confused. Yep,the wild eyed Oswald fanatic said it:what does a bulge where #1 smashed into it mean!!! And then he mustered up this:how did the building collapse without melting!!! Ladies and gentlemen,the insane stylings of William Burke!! Or should I say Idiot runs amok,story at 9/11. Either this site is deleting your comments or you are.Youve been tinkering with some of your earlier misfires,changing them to turn my responses into non sequiturs. Nobody ever said anything melted and caused the collapses,Boy Burke.You cant even figure out that #7 had a bulge where #1 smashed into it,was creaking and groaning and was on fire for over 6 hours without any water thrown at it. Ever notice that when a discussion comes up and goes against the accepted story, that almost immediately a troll/shill appears. That individuals job seems to be to attack with very unprofessional and vehement name calling and false facts anyone who supports the alternative story even if supported with accepted scientific facts. Would anyone of us professionals, upon entering a conversation with which we disagreed, use such tactics? Such tactics are used by shills to obfuscate the facts about the accepted story that will not hold up under scrutiny. They are also used to intimidate others from taking part in the conversation. Such tactics are not done by those interested in the truth, but by those interested in keeping the truth away from gaining any momentum. False facts??!! Wtc7lies and this video will set you free: False facts? Youre accusing the FDNY of covering up the murder of 343 of its men.That provokes a response. Interesting, I intentionally never mentioned you by name, wondering if you would identify yourself and you did! And now, out of the blue, you bring up anti-Semitism more obfuscation? You show way too much rage to be one simply interested in the truth. Whether you realize it or not, you typify a troll or shill. Thomas,I am the only one at this thread disagreeing.Who else could you be referring to? Its OK to call people government agents and shills but its not OK to fire back? Thanks for the dime store psychology.If I had a nickel for everyone who ignored my salient points and whined about being clobbered Id have enough to bail Luke Rudkowski out of jail. You say that, its not OK to fire back. Why not, because it is against the accepted story?????? If you did have a nickel for everyone who ignored my salient points you would, have enough to bail Luke Rudkowski out of jail. This is telling me that you are encountering a lot of disagreement with your salient points. Sounds like you do this a lot and are probably a paid shill or troll. Would you actually bail out Luke Rudowski from jail, because that also says a lot about you? A cult always goes ballistic when you show them that their Baghwan is upstairs divvying up the smuggled hash and banging the sannyasins. Good luck. No,I wouldnt bail that criminal Luke out. Best for you to quit before getting further behind. Cute,tiger! You will have to read,watch and mull over the suggestions,though. Time will tell. I will just avoid the cool aide that you drank. Your loss because your Kool-Aid is moldy. I knew you were or are a cultist! When a vote goes 3892-160 and you start calling all 3892 fraidy cats and establishment dolts you know youre in a cult. Wouldnt you. You aint one of them paid gubmint SHILLS, are you Andy? :-)) Just call me Shecky the Shill!! Where do I go to collect my shill pay from the evil US gubmint? Les Jamieson has it.You can catch him at The Palm or maybe The Oyster Bar. Im sure hes glad that Mark Roberts quit debunking 9/11 truther nuts. Gravy humiliated him on video at GZ. Hmmm Ad hominem attacks appear to be the order of the day here. Architects Engineers for 9/11 Truth look it up on the web. Richard Gage,a very lovely chap,cannot even figure out the pull it quote.Why should anyone take him seriously after that? Hmmm Once last time without the link Ad hominem attacks appear to be the order of the day here. Architects Engineers for 9/11 Truth look it up on the web. Oh and its investigation is based on the input from a multitude of Multitude? Demolition experts?! You should send your work into the comedy shows,thats a real knee slapper! Go ahead waste another ten years on #7,jerky. Most trolls and counterintelligence agents seemingly have Do you mean THE Jan Irvin? You smokin crack,you paranoid lunatic? Youd best pay attention to the links Ive provided you dumb donkeys.You really need to get over your self. Bla bla bla . . . . :- ) Who on earth is Jan Irvin and why do you listen to her nutty nonsense? Is she your favorite Holocaust denier? Can you find anymore nutty nonsense than from this andy critter? Oh yes..from the rest of the German Your new cult approved name is Joe Jitsu because you have a rare ability to twist things around so they slam you right in the face! More senseless troll vomit In your cult everyone who demolishes your goofy guesses qualifies as an agent or a troll or an Israeli. The working definition of paranoid stooges. Have you noticed how andy doesnt do much else on the internet except smear people as a cultist or a jew-hater ? Hes not here to think or debate. Dont waste your time on him I dont take cult stooges with a soft spot for Jew haters lightly.I am here to provide the beef stew that newbies wont get from you all. .said Scott,as he wasted more time on me and revealed to his cult that I have his number! Im Kraut-Mick,Mr. Woltz,and I admire all of your films. Hmmm Your insinuations fall flat in the face of the credentials provided by the literally hundreds of signatures of registered and/or licensed building professionals supporting the conclusions offered by the website Architect and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. There are in fact far more industry experts supporting the alternative conclusions via that website alone than the government used during its entire investigation. Now there is a real knee slapper. One can easily argue that America would have been far better off with reopening the case and spending another year investigating than spend the next 14 years waging war, killing millions, turning 10s of millions into refugees, destroying half a dozen countries, spending trillions of dollars of money we had to borrow and turning half the worlds population against us in the process. Now that Andy isnt a knee slapper, that is an out and out tragedy of monumental proportions. Most rational, intelligent citizens with even a modicum of critical thinking believe that given the obvious ambiguities, inconsistencies and problems with the governments conclusions, coupled with the incredible importance of the event, that further investigation is not just warranted, but an absolute necessity. Clearly by the transparent tone, tenor and language of your response, (it doesnt qualify as a legitimate rebuttal) I would hazard to guess you have a horse in this race that demands/requires that the citizens except the official conclusions. My horse is named Truth and following all the facts and known evidence leads the race. Why do you line up with a group that buys into the vile,bigoted pull it claim? When are you going to evolve and learn to discard all of the bad evidence and claims? When are you going to give up the ghost,just about all of your claims have been thoroughly debunked? Hasnt this vote shown you to be a fringe group undoubtedly politically biased with an agenda? Hmmm Clearly you are not telling the truth in your comments above. Clearly you are attempting to put words in my mouth, not to mention the cited website. Your facts are anything but. Offering a point by point rebuttal when so many websites have done such a great job isnt necessary at this late date. I will leave you with 3 facts; poll after poll show the American people dont believe the findings of the 9-11 commission. Hell, members of the commission itself have publicly stated they have grave reservations about the entire process and the findings. Finally the leadership and many members of the AIA have stated that the vote was governed by political considerations and was not in of itself a reflection of the personal feelings of the members regarding the 9-11 commission findings. The AIA as a governing body was not willing to go on record opposing the government findings; that is truth about the vote, nothing more. Who and what you are is readily apparent at this point. Have a great day. Wrong,nobody has ever answered the questions I posed. Hmmm More mush from the wimp. Hey everyone, Andy is NOT a troll! You believe me right??? Confessions of an ex-shill. Were real Patently absurd piffle,thats your specialty.I guess its just a coincidence that Im cleaning your entire crew right out of the building and showing you up for the lowly saps that you truly are. Thats my real name. 9/11: WTC2 clearly visible at 38 secs Im heartened to see that at least 96% of the AIA is sane and competent. Richard Gage is nothing but a bad joke. Richard Gage + Les Jamieson =Aggressive FundRaising Scam. Any thoughts on why Dan Barnum presented this ae911truth crap to the AIA last month instead of Box Boy himself? Gage roams the world and is willing to speak at an event even if there are only 13 people,two squirrels and a few cameras.Hes probably exhausted and conflicted,since he only does this for the money.Hes probably unemployable and is loathe to face a crowd of architects who are 99% onto him. If Box Boys Upcoming Events page is any indication: and that was ~1 year ago. Its always hard to tell whether hes just a great liar or really believes his nonsense. This vote was a triumph for science and reason. It wouldve been 100% if the ASCE had been polled on it. Comparison Of WTC Collapse With Other Buildings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbff_Ol-izY 9/11: WTC1 Controlled Demolition World Trade Center 7 versus AeF Tower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9scuBiVaA-8 The good folks of 911blogger have made me the topic of several of their inane rants over the years, but acceptance into the cult requires documented 9/11 troofer activity by all aspirants as I recall, so I guess Im whatever they say I am. They just voted against their own profession.and endorsed building high rises so poorly that office fires can cause them to completely collapse..Glad there are men like Richard Gage around. 