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Karakia.
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SPEAKER: I regret to inform the House of the death on 2 February 2020 of former Prime Minister the Rt Hon Michael Kenneth (Mike) Moore ONZ, AO, who was an MP from 1972 to 1975 and 1978 to 1999.
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House): Following agreement this morning at the Business Committee, I seek leave for the Prime Minister's statement to be provided and presented and for the debate on it to commence on Wednesday, 12 February, and, following the speeches of the leaders of each party, for oral questions to be held, despite Standing Orders 66, 354, and 355.
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SPEAKER: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister): I seek leave to move a motion without notice on the death of former Prime Minister Mike Moore.
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SPEAKER: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none.
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I move, That this House place on record its appreciation and thanks for the devoted and distinguished service to New Zealand by the late Rt Hon Michael Kenneth Moore, Member of the Order of New Zealand, a Member of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, an Honorary Member of the Order of Australia, a Member of this House of Representatives representing Eden from 1972-75, Papanui from 1978-81, Christchurch North from 1984-87, and Waimakariri from 1996-99, who held ministerial portfolios including Deputy Minister of Finance, Minister of External Relations and Trade, Minister responsible for the America's Cup, Minister of Tourism, Minister of Sport and Recreation, Minister Responsible for Publicity, Minister of Overseas Trade and Marketing, served as the 34th Prime Minister of New Zealand from 4 September to 2 November 1990 and as the third Director-General of the World Trade Organization from 1 September 1999 to 1 September 2002, that the House express our sense of loss and our sympathy with his wife, Yvonne, and other relatives, and that the House do now adjourn.
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I want to say to all of Mike's loved ones, especially Yvonne, that our thoughts and prayers are with you and that we grieve with you. In his valedictory speech, Mike Moore said, "It is nice to see so many people here at my farewell and funeral. If only people had said such supportive things when I was alive!" I'm sorry, Mike—you're going to have to watch this Chamber once again set aside time to commend your many achievements.
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I've read the commentary about Mike since he passed. The word "battler" is often used. Mike fought for people. He fought for what he believed in. He fought for New Zealand's interests around the world, and, as any politician does, he had his share of battles here in Parliament. Despite those battles, Mike loved Parliament and politics—the debate, the policy, the theatre—but, ultimately, he loved all of these things because he loved those he was here to serve. Mike was undeniably a unique man and a unique politician, or, as Sir Geoffrey Palmer put it, a force of nature. He was a kind, caring, and humble man. Where he saw wrong, he tried to right it. He deeply believed politics was ultimately about improving people's lives.
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A true working-class Prime Minister, Mike Moore showed all New Zealanders that hard work, initiative, guts, and determination can lead to very big things. He taught everyone to aim for the stars, because that's what he did, via books. Mike left school at the age of 15 for a job in the freezing works, but he was an avid reader. That he made his way to Parliament just eight years later is a testament to his work ethic, his dedication, and his intellect. Through his love of learning and reading, he educated himself, and he was eventually awarded honorary doctorates from Lincoln University, the Auckland University of Technology, and the University of Canterbury, as well as an honorary doctorate from the People's University of China and an honorary doctorate from La Trobe University in Australia.
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Mike didn't stop at reading, though. Throughout his life, he was a prolific author and wrote books on economics, New Zealand history, politics, and much, much more. But in all of that, this place remained central to him. He once said, "The Labour Party has been my training college; Parliament, my university." He loved the Parliamentary Library, and I'm told credibly that he would encourage others to use the library in the way that he did. This place mattered to Mike because of the power and potential that exists here, in the same way that he saw the power and potential of the people that he served in all walks of life.
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In the Hansard and his many interviews, we will always be able to remember Mike and hear his totally unique voice, and it's a voice that was consistent. Mike's affinity for the Labour Party developed at a young age. He joined Labour when he was 15 years old and was the first youth representative on the Labour Party executive. He was the vice-president of the International Union of Socialist Youth—
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Hon Grant Robertson: A fine organisation.
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: —a very fine organisation—for two consecutive terms. This dedication to the Labour Party and its cause never diminished, over many decades. As a member of Parliament and as Prime Minister, Mike was passionate about many things, including constitutional change and creating a united New Zealand. I've spoken to some of his former colleagues, who noted how emotive Mike could be when discussing the history of our nation and his vision for the future of Aotearoa, a New Zealand, in his words, "more at peace with itself". It was only fitting when Mike tried to, of course, in his final speech in this place, cheekily table a bill to this House on constitutional change. At the time, Mike said, "A nation is the sum total of its history, its memories, and … experiences. A nation without history is like a man without a memory. It is good that we are confronting our historic ghosts and demons at last."
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Mike would've been proud to see the debate and the discussion last week at Waitangi, where we came together to reflect on the past, to challenge our present, and to be hopeful about our future. We must continue to work together to create a nation we can continue to be proud of, building on the call that Mike left to all of us. On the paepae at Waitangi, many people spoke of Mike's passion for New Zealand and the work that he did to bring Kiwis together and promote our country to the world. In fact, some commented that this is where we saw Mike's true potential.
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It was unsurprising that Mike took a global leadership role in trade after he left politics. As Minister of Overseas Trade and Marketing, he was involved with the GATT trade round negotiations in their trade missions to Australia, China, Japan, the Middle East, Latin America, and across Europe. There aren't many people who can say they led both New Zealand and the world, but Mike is one of them. When he left Parliament to become the Director-General of the World Trade Organization, Mike took the same mentality he had as a politician in New Zealand. He approached trade as a way to help those in need, except this time he broadened his constituency and had the aim of helping entire nations in need. He saw trade as an opportunity to lift people out of poverty and to help developing countries grow economically. It was a way to help the little guy. Always keeping New Zealand close to his heart, he also saw trade as an opportunity for us to grow international relations and build a stronger economic base. We owe much to his hard work and dedication.
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Mike was also a staunch union man. Much like politics, he joined the union movement at a young age and became a member of the Auckland Trades Council when he was 17. Mike always had time for workers because he was one himself. He once said it was rubbish that you did not make real friends in Parliament, before listing his real friends—that included the drivers, messengers, the library staff, the staff at Bellamy's, the security guards, and researchers. It shows us who Mike was. It didn't matter what your role was; Mike was always keen to talk, to listen. He was a man of the people.
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I was fortunate enough to see Mike a few days before he passed, and he encouraged me to keep thinking about the vision we hold for the future—not one for small talk. So, Mike, I want to say we will keep aiming high. You led by example and showed what hard work, passion, and care for others can achieve.
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I'd like to end with a mihi recently penned by a member in this House. Translated, the mihi reads: "The tōtara of the political world has fallen. Sir, you travelled the distance, scaled the heights, traversed the seas, now your time is over and you must return. Your Waka awaits [you] on the tides of Matauri, the prow faces the current of farewell, go those who preceded you in the great beyond, sleep in peace chief of deed, of word, of people." Moe mai rā, Mike, moe mai rā.
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Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Leader of the Opposition): The National Opposition joins with the Government in paying tribute to Mike Moore, New Zealand's 34th Prime Minister and the 11th leader of the New Zealand Labour Party. On 2 February 2020, New Zealand lost not only one of its staunchest advocates for free trade and open markets across the world but someone who spent his entire life courageously fighting for what he believed in. The tenure of our 34th Prime Minister may have been one of the shortest, but his legacy as a PM and, more than that, as a great parliamentarian and New Zealander is secure. He was in every sense of the term a great New Zealander.
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One of the things Mike said in one of his interviews—on, I think, The 9th Floor interview on RNZ—that stuck with me was "The greatest betrayal we can make of our people is to not care." No one could say Mike didn't care, and courageously so, about the people that he served. It was caring for people, dedicating his life to public service, and sticking to his values which served him so well for his 24 years of parliamentary service. Mike embodied some of the best traditions of New Zealand: looking out for Kiwi battlers, backing each other to succeed, recognising that not everyone is born into wealth and that sometimes they need a hand up.
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Much of Mike's legacy is around trade, free trade, and promoting New Zealand to the world, and I'll come to his tenure at the World Trade Organization in a moment. But his early thinking on the benefits of free trade certainly paved the way for New Zealand's entry into the world of free trade. When the fourth National Government signed up to Closer Economic Relations with Australia, it was Mike who first saw, on the Labour side, how free trade and being open to the world could benefit the working class, or, as he put it, how the workers could get their hands on the loot.
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He knew that the benefits of selling our products to the world without enormous tariffs meant New Zealand would be a richer country for it and that everyone could share in the benefits of a growing economy. He led new thinking in the Labour Party that saw free trade as an opportunity for advancing the New Zealand brand and cause, and there are many people who got opportunities and financial certainty that are grateful for it.
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Mike's time as a Prime Minister was only 60 days long, but he is credited by many for stopping a wipe-out of the Labour Party in the 1990 general election. He led the Labour Party for another three years and almost returned them to Government in the 1993 general election. I'm sure Jim Bolger was delighted not to have to face him again.
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His leadership at the World Trade Organization (WTO) was short but significant. He worked to spread free trade to the far-flung reaches of our world because he saw the potential in new markets and new opportunities for many different people, like it had done for us. His tenure in the United States as our ambassador ended when he suffered ill health and he returned to New Zealand to enjoy the remaining years of his life.
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No doubt everyone would agree with me that it was a life well lived or, as Chris Trotter said, "not bad for a former printer and freezing-worker!" To his wife, Yvonne, to his family, and to his friends, there is no doubt Mike will have left a hole in your family as well as New Zealand. Jane Clifton noted Mike Moore was like the opposite of L & P: "world-famous, just not in New Zealand."
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As I've said, Mike never lacked courage and was a great parliamentarian, but sometimes he could become so voluble that it was hard to work out what precisely he was arguing. Some of his former colleagues have told me of the lengthy and not always intelligible memos he would send to them when he was about to depart overseas as Minister for overseas trade, and many a reporter was left scratching his or her head after a Moore speech, trying to divine the meaning. The robustness of parliamentary debate certainly diminished when one of the House's more colourful figures—dare I say it, likeable rogues—departed to the WTO in 1999.
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He will be remembered for his belief in free trade when others in his party did not. He will be remembered for serving our country in the highest of international roles and putting our country on the map. He will be remembered for his belief in the potential of every New Zealander. He will be remembered as a great New Zealander who loved his country, who dedicated his life to public service, and who spent his 71 years working to make New Zealand a better place.
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Deputy Prime Minister): Colleagues, it's not uncommon on these occasions of eulogy to sometimes be wondering exactly who the speaker's talking about. The difference on this special occasion is that any words of praise and respect have a particular significance because they happen to be true. Michael Kenneth Moore's life's work was not to champion those with wealth or power or special connections. Mike's life work every day was to make things better for New Zealand and ordinary New Zealanders, to add rungs to the ladder of chance and opportunity, and to enhance New Zealand's place in the world. He truly is one of the great New Zealanders.
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From the time he was elected to Parliament at the age of 23 to his final year, he was constantly thinking about how to advance New Zealand's interests. Mike was that rare politician whose outlook was improved by his life in Parliament and he seriously grew in the job. As many of you will know, as a young man, Mike beat cancer. I can recall him walking into this room after his long sojourn away, and Rob Muldoon, the Prime Minister, went to shake his hand, and the look on Mike's face was one of horror because he'd wished he hadn't. As I say, Mike grew better with age.
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He took to heart the idea that it was his job to learn more about the issues. You know, he was given the gift of time, and he used that gift to its fullest. He was curious and he was open to changing his mind when presented with new information. These are traits which are far too rare these days.
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Many New Zealanders will have fond memories of his political career, whether it was his championing of lamburgers, his witty turn of phrase, his restless energy, or his passion for helping New Zealanders of all walks of life. I remember his cynical doubt about expert advice. Mike would say, "Well, we know it works in practice; now let's see if it works in theory."
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Everywhere he went, people saw the passion Mike had for New Zealand and connecting it to the world, and by the time he left Parliament, Mike was a champion of the role that free and fair trade can play in lifting people out of poverty and improving living standards.
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It's important to acknowledge his role on the international stage as the only New Zealander to lead the World Trade Organization, and then as New Zealand's Ambassador to the United States. His time at the World Trade Organization coincided with momentous changes for New Zealand and the global economy. He oversaw the successful accession of countries like China to the World Trade Organization, bringing the majority of the world's population within the rules-based trading system, and he gave particular attention to helping poor countries participate effectively in the multinational and multilateral trading system.
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Truth be told, Mike attained the highest international position of any New Zealander abroad. This is a truly remarkable achievement. But through it all, Mike's historic body of achievements, what we will remember is the warm, passionate, funny, mischievous man that we will miss. Let us also pay special tribute to Mike's wife, Yvonne, and his family, and send our thoughts and prayers to them.
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When thinking of a literary parallel for our sentiments today, there's one tribute that stands out. It could've been written about Mike, but it's advice that Rudyard Kipling gave to his son:
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If you can keep your head when all about you
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Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
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If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
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But make allowance for their doubting too;
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If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
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Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
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Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
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And yet don't look too good or talk too wise;
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If you can dream—and not make dreams your master,
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If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
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If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
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And treat those two impostors just the same;
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If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
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Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
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Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken
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And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools.
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If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
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Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
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If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
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If all men count with you, but none too much;
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If you can fill the unforgiving minute
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With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
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Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
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That was Mike Moore, the boy from Kawakawa and Moerewa, who went as an orphan to secondary school and turned his life dramatically around. In the words from Hamlet,
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Goodnight, sweet Prince,
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And flights of Angels sing thee to thy rest.
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MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader—Green): Tēnā koe e Te Māngai o Te Whare. Tēnā tātou katoa ōku hoa kaimahi o Te Whare Pāremata. It is with the utmost respect that I rise on behalf of the Green Party to pay our contribution and tribute to Mike Moore, previous Prime Minister and previous leader of the Labour Party. We acknowledge his time and service, particularly in this House and as a politician. As we've heard across the House tonight, alongside the many community and working-people roles that he held throughout his entire life, I of course want to pay particular attention to his whānau; his wife, Yvonne; and his many friends and people who loved and cared for him throughout his entire life journey.
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I read and saw with interest that he was also a young MP—23, I believe—when he entered this House. That is an incredible achievement, something that the Greens know intimately what it is like with our young Chlöe Swarbrick. Whatever people are in their public lives, there are always whole other dimensions to those people that often the rest of the public rarely get to see or experience or understand. In the eyes of the whānau, I was interested and reading through many of the stories that always come through when people pass, no matter who they are. Those are the connections and the dimensions that I always gravitate to when we lose anybody and stand up and pay tribute to them in this House.
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I acknowledge and saw with pride that he was also a man of the North—a person of my North. I fondly remembered his Kawakawa—my memories of coming over the three bumpy bridges on our way over from Hokianga, coming over to Whangārei—and Moerewa also being a home place of many of my whakapapa, uncles and aunties, who were long-time decades and generations of freezing workers, alongside Mike as well.
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I think all people deserve authentic contributions, especially at their time of passing. So I do note on behalf of the Green Party that we did not always agree with his political positions. We all believed together that Government has a role in ensuring the wellbeing of all peoples in our country, but we had very different ideas of how to get there. I say that, being able to stand and acknowledge the full person at anyone's time of passing.
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The experiences of people's intimate interactions and personal interactions with Mike Moore mattered. They made a big difference to those people. I've been seeing stories on social media and in the news about the many generous, authentic, and accessible engagements that he had with people from the public, with journalists, and with staff here. Those experiences matter. We are always more than a one-dimensional public face. I want to acknowledge those many authentic experiences that many people have had with Mike Moore.
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I close with the words of his wife, Yvonne. I, particularly, find something in common—strongly—when Yvonne mentioned that he was elated when Jacinda Ardern became Prime Minister and felt that she would be able to achieve more for New Zealand and on the international stage than any other Labour leader, and in that I attribute his words and thank Yvonne for bringing those thoughts to us at this time. Lastly, in her words, Mike Moore was stubborn, optimistic, generous, and kind. It is with those values and feelings in my mind that I leave our contribution from the Green Party on the floor of this House. Kia ora tātou katoa.
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DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Thank you, Mr Speaker. I wish to join with other leaders in supporting this motion by our current Prime Minister to honour the passing of a past Prime Minister. Mike Moore's photo in the gallery outside your office is as large as the longest-serving Prime Ministers of this country, and so it should be. It is fitting that this House pays tribute to a man who may have been short in stature but was a giant bestriding the world stage on behalf of our country.
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If you'll allow me a very small personal indulgence—I never met Mike Moore; I entered this Parliament 15 years after he left it. About two years ago, a close friend of his, Clayton Cosgrove—also known as "mini-Mike"—gave me Mike Moore's phone number so that I could call him and meet him. In the rush of life, I never did it, and that's a bitter regret. I guess there's a lesson in that in life for everybody.
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But the reasons why I wanted to meet him were mainly two. First, as I said, he was a giant on the world stage who can be, I think, solely responsible, as much as any one person can, for the belief and the mantra that New Zealand is a trading nation. Some of his fellow travellers from his early career have also been fellow travellers of ACT, and they tell me—as was acknowledged by Simon Bridges—that he was responsible for seeing that the Labour Party became supporters of Closer Economic Relations in 1983. Without that sort of consensus in this House, we couldn't have made that relationship with our nearest neighbours a model for the world in trade relationships, and this theme of cross-partisanship would actually come to punctuate his career.
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He was nominated by a National Government both to be the chair of the World Trade Organization—rising to a higher office than any other New Zealander had—and also to be the Ambassador to the United States, and I, like a lot of younger New Zealanders, got to know Mike through his brilliant New Zealand Herald columns that he used to write before his ambassadorial post prevented him from having such a vocal megaphone in the nation's press. What I saw in those columns—and this is why I wanted to meet the guy—was that he had a certain amount of political pragmatism. It made him able to pierce the identity politics, the categorisation, and the boxes into which so many politicians are put or feel unable to escape, and achieve the kinds of results that our Prime Minister mentioned for ordinary people across the world. That's why I'm sad not to have met him, and why he is one of the very few politicians who can come through this place, grow in the role, and leave a mark that is indelible and that is defining of our nation and our identity—in particular, as a trading nation—and a mark that is also positive.
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I also note that his first constituents were those from Mount Eden. So there will be people there with long memories who will remember his representation and the way that even while being swept to the side by the Muldoon landslide of 1975, he campaigned valiantly to be their representative. There will be many others from Dilworth School, in the area I represent, who can attest to the way that he was able to take at least some of the lessons that he got to from that school and the contribution that it made to his life.
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Finally, for Yvonne and his relatives who survive him, I wish to offer sincere condolences, and to Mike Moore himself, a tremendous tribute. We may not see his like again. Thank you, Mr Speaker.
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Hon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister for Māori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti): Tēnā koe, Mr Speaker. E tika ana mō Te Ao Māori kia poroporoakingia tēnei rangatira kua huri tuara ki a matou, nā reira, e te rangatira, e Mike, haere te ara tiketike.
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Ko te ara tēnā o Mahuru e eke ai koe ki runga i a Huarau. Tīhaoa te kau kōpuni, ka pahure atu i reira te kāhui kura. Te kura i nunumi ki runga ki o Rehua, te kura i riro atu ki Tāpokopoko te Rangi, te kura i riro atu Te Ana Mātao ki te whare taua, Ngā Kurakura i Hine-nui-te pō. Whakauru atu ki roto i tō koutou whare, te whare o Rangiāio, takoto mai ki roto o Wharepapa o Ruakipōuri, ko tēnā te whare i tītari ai ō koutou tinana.
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Nāu nei te kāwhaki au, kume au, romi au, hīrere. Hīrere ki te pō, hīrere ki te mate, hīrere ki te pō tangotango, hīrere ki te moana o te mate. Ehara koutou nō raro nei, nō ngā kūrae o runga haumātao korā puku ake te aroha, i haere te hau mihiata. I tau ai te rangimārie, te kakara o taua anō mahi aroha, i whiti ai ki te whei ao, ki te ao marama.
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Nā reira, e te rangatira, e moe, hoea tō waka wairua ki runga tērā o ngā awa o Tāmaki kia puta atu koe ki Te Moana Tīkapa o Hauraki. Ana, kua huri ki te raki kia tae atu koe ki tērā o ngā maunga, tētahi o ngā pou o te whare tapu o Ngā Puhi, arā ko Manaia i tū ki te ākau. Nā, hoea tonu tō waka ki Rākaumangamanga, tētahi atu pou o te whare tapu o Ngā Puhi.
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Anga tō huri ki roto tērā o ngā moana, te moana pukupuku i whiti kia pahore atu koe i te pā o tōku tupuna a Pōmare. Hoea tonu tō waka i tērā o ngā awa o ngā rangatira Taumārere-herehere-i-te-riri.
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Hoea tonu atu koe kia tae atu koe ki tērā kāinga nōu i a koe e tamariki ana, arā ko Te Kawakawa. Tae atu ki tērā kāinga mō tētahi wā poto kia tukuna a Ngāti Hine, a Ngāti Manu kia tangihia mōu. Hoea tonu tō waka, whai atu i te au o tērā o ngā awaawa kia puta atu koe ki Pēwhairangi, kia tae atu koe ki tērā wāhi tapu o Ngāti Rāhiri, Ngāti Kawa, arā ko Waitangi tērā, arā ko Tau Rangatira, te wāhi i noho ai ō tātou tūpuna, ō mātou tūpuna, ki te wānangahia i Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
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Hoea tonu tō waka kia puta atu koe ki Te Tai Tama Wahine, haere tika tonu ki te whakateraki kia tae atu koe ki a Motukawanui, ki Motukawaiti, arā ko Matauri tērā tō kāinga i a koe e ora ana, i waenganui o Ngāti Kura. Hoea tonu tō waka kia tae atu koe ki a Rangaunu, te ara takingia koe i Te Iti Pioke.
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Nā anga tō huri ka kite atu koe Maunga Tohoraha i mua i a koe, whai atu kia tae atu koe ki a Hikurua, ki ērā atu o ngā tōpito o Te Ika, o Te Hiku o Te Ika, kia tae atu koe ki Te Rerenga Wairua, atu i reira ki Manawatāwhi, atu i reira ki ngā Hawaiki i kōrerohia e ō tātou mātua tūpuna, arā ko Hawaiki nui, Hawaiki roa, Hawaiki pāmaomao. Nā reira, e te rangatira, haere atu rā ki a rātou e tatari ana mōu. E moe, e moe, e moe. Kua ea ō mahi ki runga i te mata o te whenua.
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I whakapau i ngā kaikōrero i mua i ahau te whakamāramatanga o te teiteitanga, te hōhonutanga o ō mahi i a koe i runga, e hīkoi ana i runga i te mata o te whenua. Nā reira, e te rangatira, haere, haere, haere atu rā. Nā reira, rātou ki a rātou, te hunga wairua, kua hoki mai ki a tātou ngā kanohi ora kei roto i tēnei Whare, puta noa, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā tātou katoa.
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[Greetings, Mr Speaker. It is appropriate to the Māori world that this leader who has turned away from us is farewelled; therefore, oh chief, Mike, travel the lofty pathway.
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That is the path by which you alight on Huarau. The multitudes are assembled, and that is where the esteemed company passes on. The dearly departed which went out of sight over Rehua, the beloved taken by Tāpokopoko to Rangi, the adored taken by Te Ana Mātao at the house of grieving of Ngā Kurakura i Hine-nui-te pō. Enter into your house, the house of Rangiāio, lie in state in Wharepapa o Ruakipōuri, that is the house within which your bodies lay spread out.
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It was you who seized, who dragged the current, pressing the current to become a torrent. A torrent to the night, a torrent to death, a torrent to the intense dark, a torrent to the ocean of death. You are not from below, from the headlands of cold winds where love wells up and the dawn breezes blow. Peace has descended, the scent of that work of love, crossing to the living world, the world of light.
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Therefore, oh leader, rest, paddle your spiritual canoe on that river of Auckland to emerge at the Hauraki Gulf. Indeed, you have turned to the north to arrive at that mountain, one of the stalwarts of the sacred house of Ngā Puhi—namely, Manaia, which stands on the coast. So continue paddling your canoe to Rākaumangamanga, another stalwart of the sacred House of Ngā Puhi.
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Turn your direction to that ocean, the lumpy ocean which was crossed to reach the fortified village of my ancestor Pōmare. Continue to paddle your canoe on that river of Taumārere-herehere-i-te-riri.
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Continue paddling until you arrive at yonder village which was yours when you were a child—namely, Te Kawakawa. Arrive at that village for a short time so that Ngāti Hine and Ngāti Manu can mourn for you. Continue to paddle your canoe, follow the current of the gorges to emerge at Pēwhairangi, to arrive at that sacred place of Ngāti Rāhiri and Ngāti Kawa, that is at Waitangi—namely, Tau Rangatira, the place at which our ancestors stayed, our ancestors, to discuss the Treaty of Waitangi.
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Continue to paddle your canoe to emerge at Te Tai Tama Wahine, continue directly to the north to arrive at Motukawanui and Motukawaiti, that is at Matauri, which was your home when you were alive, amongst Ngāti Kura. Continue to paddle your canoe to arrive at Rangaunu, the route which leads you to Te Iti Pioke.
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So if you turn you will see Mount Tohoraha before you, follow it to arrive at Hikurua, to the other extremities of the Fish, of the Tail of the Fish, until you arrive at Te Rerenga Wairua, and from there to Manawatāwhi, from there to the Hawaiki that were spoken about by our ancestors, namely Hawaiki nui, Hawaiki roa, and Hawaiki pāmaomao. Therefore, oh chief, travel to those who are waiting for you. Rest, rest, rest in peace. Your tasks on earth are complete.
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The speakers before me have comprehensively explained the greatness and depth of your work while you were on and walking the face of the earth. Therefore, oh leader, farewell, farewell, farewell. Therefore, let the spiritual beings remain unto themselves; we return to the living faces in this House, throughout, greetings, greetings, greetings to us all.]
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When I heard that Mike Moore had passed away, I was in Kaikohe, standing in the middle of a field, waiting and listening to the Rt Hon Winston Peters, the Hon Shane Jones, and the Hon Nanaia Mahuta making some announcements. It struck me that I was really only half an hour away from the place where Mike Moore grew up. That place was Kawakawa—funnily enough, the same town that I grew up in.
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The high school that he initially went to was the same high school that I went to. In fact, he was the first of four members of Parliament to go through Bay of Islands College: himself, the late Pita Paraone, myself, and Willow-Jean Prime. Funnily enough, he left from there to go to Dilworth, which is also the school that my father attended.
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One of the houses that he grew up in—funnily enough, I also spent a bit of time in that very house. It was on the main street of Kawakawa. By the time I was loose on the streets of Kawakawa in the 1980s, his house had actually become our local spacies parlour. I remember—it must have been in the 1980s—when he arrived in Kawakawa and visited that house, and that was the first time I had set eyes on Mike Moore.
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Sadly, I haven't seen him for the last 12 months, but I visited him last Christmas at his home in Matauri Bay and spent a bit of time with him there. Despite the fact that he had been afflicted with a number of health issues, his mind was still sharp with clarity of thought, and he had a number of instructions for us to follow. I was pleased to be able to see him then, and sad that since that time I haven't had an opportunity to catch up with him.
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But, of course, our thoughts go out to his widow, Yvonne. Everybody who has spoken before me has laid out the heights of his achievements and the depth of his thinking, and New Zealand has lost a great man.
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So, from this Kawakawa boy, I just am very honoured to be able to pay tribute to a former Kawakawa boy and wish him best on his journey to ki tērā taha o te arai, as we say in Māori—to the other side of the veil.
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Nā reira, tātou mā, huri rauna i tō tātou Whare, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, kia ora mai anō tātou.
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[Therefore, to all of us, right around our House, greetings, greetings, greetings again to all.]
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Hon RON MARK (Minister of Defence): Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity. It's with great sadness, actually, that I stand to rise to speak about a friend—a friend of mine personally, a man I came to love and respect, and a man whom my children came to know as Uncle Mike. I guess, looking around the House, there are quite so many new MPs around here, or MPs who haven't been here as long as some of us have, who probably may not recall that, actually, I stood for Labour in 1993. In 1990, I got to know Mike because I'd been roped in by my then mother-in-law, my late mother-in-law, Marie Therese Berry—and I just note I'm going from the shoulder. I started writing notes, but it just seemed irrelevant to write notes right now, so I'm just going to talk.
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I got to know Mike during that 1990 campaign, when I was helping the Labour candidate for Selwyn, one Val Elley—a lovely lady. Actually, I'd been the candidate, but I pulled out because I'd only just come back into the country. I said to Mike—you know, back in those days—"You can't have me standing for Parliament when I've been out of the country for five years, come back and try and tell people how to live their lives, particularly after a Labour Government's done what it's just done." It was a terrible campaign. We had dogs set on us at Kaiapoi—I don't think that's ever been repeated since then. We got to know Mike and Yvonne very, very well over that time.
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Come 1993, I was talked into standing for Labour, not because I didn't like Mike and I didn't agree with where the policy was going; it was because, as an army officer, I just couldn't see myself standing for Parliament, one, and, two, standing for a left-wing party. But we did. Part of the reason I took it up was because my mother-in-law forced me—no, I wouldn't say that! But it was because of Mike.
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Mike was a centrist. Mike was a pragmatist. Mike was straight up and down and honest, and if he didn't like what you were saying, he would argue with you and tell you bluntly, and if you still argued, he would argue with you more.
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Mike was a damned hard worker. I think the only thing he did harder than work was smoke, back in those days. It would be cellphone in one hand, cigarette in the other, and going from cigarette to cigarette, butt-lighting off one to the other, and he just carried on. He would roll from interview to interview, and I'd be sitting in his lounge thinking "Holy hell! Is this what Parliament's going to be like? Is this what politics is?" This was Mike living, breathing the dream, and fighting as a true battler did.
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In those days, the campaign was based on some pretty sound policy. Actually, when my boss, the Rt Hon Winston Peters, said to me "Ron, you should speak.", I went back to my office and I pulled out some boxes. Prime Minister, I found a few things, like my organisational chart for my campaign, like all the names of the people that I met through Mike Moore—people like Ivan Hibberd.
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Here's my organisational chart. You might want to copy it sometime for the battle for Selwyn, the seat we almost won—which actually cost us the election, because some fifth-columnists within the Labour Party didn't like Mike and fought to undermine his campaign.
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But we had a great campaign, and I found this little gem, a pamphlet that was released. [Holds up pamphlet] This is in my office right now—there's more if you want copies, Prime Minister—it's Mike head to head on the main issues against Jim Bolger. Tucked on the back side here was a policy which New Zealand First was glad to read and study and implement many years later. Mike announced this policy and launched it at my business, Daytona Park on Moorhouse Avenue. It was called the youth employment scheme and it, amongst many things, sought to "ensure no young person under 20 is left on the dole with nothing to do.", and I remember those speeches of Mike Moore saying things like "I don't know of a town that doesn't have a church that doesn't need painting. I don't know of a town that doesn't have a tree that doesn't need planting. I don't know of"—and it went on and on, and he believed it with an absolute passion.
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I can still remember those speeches, and they have stayed with me. It's interesting that we sit here and we talk—my whanaunga behind me—about efforts, and we talk about young peoples' lives and opportunities being wasted, and we are still talking and trying to fight those battles in 2020 when Mike was fighting them in 1990 and 1993. I'd like to think, Mike, that we're winning.
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I look, as no doubt many of you do, at certain politicians who pass through the political landscape of this country. To me, there are some that stand out and will for ever be kauri trees: Keith Holyoake, Richard Seddon. When I spoke in this House in my maiden speech as a New Zealand First MP in my first term here in 1996 as part of a coalition Government with National, I spoke of Norm Kirk: "People don't want for much. They only want somewhere to live, somewhere to work, someone to love, and something to hope for." That was a speech that was repeated by Mike Moore time and time again on the hustings.
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There are many, many policies—and it's funny as heck, because I sat in my office assisted by one of my staff, pulling out one of the boxes, and we pulled out "Rebuilding the Kiwi Dream". [Holds up pamphlet] How many have used that slogan on hustings? That was Mike Moore. "Join Labour: Jobs, Growth, Health". [Holds up pamphlet] How many of you have used that campaign? There he is. [Holds up photograph] Zoom in. That's Mike—"A recovery without jobs is not what New Zealanders need. A recovery that sacrifices a proud public health system is not what New Zealanders want. An unshared recovery where the benefits are the property of a few is not what New Zealanders deserve." That was Mike Moore. I think my kids delivered hundreds and hundreds of these pamphlets during 1999.
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"Labour's Plan for the Environment"—that was Mike Moore. "Let's get New Zealand working again". [Holds up pamphlets] This is all my stuff. These are my mementos—I even found one of the Speaker, which I put on my Facebook post over Christmas. "Labour's Plan for Jobs" under Mike Moore, "Labour's Plan for Women" under Mike Moore, "Education: Our Children, Our Future" under Mike Moore, "Security, Certainty, and Retirement" under Mike Moore, "Making Our Neighbourhoods Safe Again" under Mike Moore, "Adding Value to Jobs" under Mike Moore, and, of course, the key, the hinge pin, upon which all of those policies depended was Mike's plan for economic growth and jobs, which included trade and prosperity.
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If I think back to when I went to the Middle East and I deployed, and I went into Oman, we went into a supermarket—well, it wasn't a supermarket. They didn't have supermarkets in those days. We were lucky to have tarseal roads. But in this little supermarket that I went into, the only meat you could buy was New Zealand lamb and New Zealand beef, and New Zealand butter. There were little round punnets of butter, and if you lifted the top off, the inside had a picture of Tony Garea. Anyone know who he is? World-famous New Zealand wrestler, big time in the United States—Mike Moore's work. Mike Moore driving the trade: the lamburger. When I left in 1990, we had a small little corner, and the Dutch, the French, and every other European country had moved in on us. That was a reflection of how things had changed, you know, and Mike tried desperately to recover those losses.
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I remember that and I remember him talking to me. He helped me put up a hoarding. Clayton Cosgrove was one of the "Beagle Boys". He used to come down to check on my campaign, to see how we were going. Clayton was sent down to keep an eye on the unions—whether they were going turn up and veto my candidacy at my selection. Jesse Simpson, I remember you and the rest of those boys. Mike sent Clayton down just to see how Ron did. Clayton came back and reported, and Mike said to him "How'd he go?", and he said, "Don't worry about him. It's all done—he's the candidate."
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But then Mike sent Clayton back down to see me on another, more sensitive mission. When I had my hoardings produced for Selwyn, we only had so much money, and so we took the photograph in black and white and put it up—Gerry Brownlee might remember this—and it was quite dark. Then the National Party team started talking about me not being a New Zealander and not being a Māori, but being a Pakistani, and that word got out around the electorate—"Don't vote for him, he's a Pakistani." Mike Moore called Clayton Cosgrove into his office and he said "Mate, you need to go down and talk to our mate.", and Clayton said, "What for?" He said, "Got to change his hoardings." "Why?" "Because he's too black." Clayton said "Stop—you want me to go down and tell this ex-army officer he's got to pull all his hoardings down because he's too black?", and Mike said, "Yeah."
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So Clayton turned up and, very tentatively and gingerly, said "Ah, mate, I need to talk to you about your hoardings.", and I said, "Yeah, what?" He said, "Well, Mike's asked me—don't take offence. Please don't be offended, and understand it's about image, it's about perceptions, but Mike says that we need to change your photo—it's a little bit dark." I said, "Oh, it's too black?" He said "Yeah.", and I said, "Well, what are we going to do?" He said "We'll change it.", and I said, "OK". So he rushed back, and Mike said "Well, how did it go?", and he said, "Done. He said 'Oh, what are we going to do?', and I said, 'We've got to change it.' The only problem is he hasn't got any money." So that was sorted.
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Then Mike came down and helped me put up some of my new hoardings with a colour photo, because we could afford to do it and I didn't look so black, and people could no longer say I was a Pakistani and not a New Zealander any more.
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My memories of Mike—and I could go on for quite some time—are about a man who would just speak from the shoulder. You know, it's interesting that comment, because we were at a public meeting and the question was put to me, just like that. But those were those times, and we got on—thank you.
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I want to finish on one note—if I might take the liberty, Mr Speaker. I can do no better than to quote from the state of the nation speech in 1993, which I still have a copy of: "The Rt Hon Mike Moore, Leader of the Opposition, MP for Christchurch North". At the end of the speech, and I think this pretty much sums up Mike—oh, excuse me, Yvonne—"I believe leadership is more than finding an angry crowd and agreeing with it. I want to offer New Zealand again a chance to be a fairer, safer, and more progressive society. I know that Government alone can't do this. This voyage needs all the crew rowing. We can't afford passengers. I am gripped by a sense of urgency, because I know that we don't have a moment to lose. We don't have a person to waste."
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That was Mike Moore in 1993, a man my family loves. Kia ora.
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam): I hadn't intended to speak today, but I felt, given that I was on the other side of a lot of what Ron Mark was talking about, I should make a few comments.
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Mike Moore was the MP for Christchurch North for 18 years, and I want to put on record that he was so highly respected by the Christchurch community in the role that he took. I was for six of those years the National Party's electorate chairman in Christchurch North. We were constantly aware that we were opposing a man who was deeply revered and respected by the citizens of that particular electorate. I didn't come to know him particularly well, but when I came into Parliament in 1996, he was more than generous in giving advice about how one should conduct oneself in the parliamentary environment, and he was, of course—as we have heard said so often today—a great parliamentarian.
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I do recall though that for some reason, and I'm not quite sure why, the Hon Dr Wayne Mapp and I were at a luncheon held in Christchurch—probably not unusual that I was at a luncheon, I suppose—by a well-known American businessman in the city. He was entertaining a group of senators who'd come out in late 1998, or it might have been early 1999, on their way through to Australia and on to Thailand, who were, essentially, trying to get a bit of a steer on the World Trade Organization job and who might be there, given that the two, Supachai and Mike, were the preferred candidates.
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We were invited, after these senators had a discussion on the tennis court of Mr Hagaman, to come and speak to them, so we wandered out there. They were doing this because they considered that was the most secure place for them to have a discussion, which is a bit odd these days. They asked us what we knew of Mike Moore and what we thought of him. We were both, I have to say, quite effusive about his commitment to world trade, to the liberalisation of trade, and, as he understood, the benefits of it. So they told us they were going to report back to—I think it was Charlene Barshefsky—the United States trade representative at the time. Wayne Mapp, in his own inimitable way, said, "Why don't you guys just cut it short and split the job?" Now, I don't know whether that's why they did it. I don't want to attribute that to Wayne—it's a very significant achievement—but when, in fact, they did do that, I do think it's a bit of shame that Mike didn't end up taking the second part of that job. I think he'd have been there a lot longer and I think a lot of the momentum that he created in those three years would have made a huge difference to where the world sits today on these matters.
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I also, as Minister of Defence, was hosted by Mike in Washington. I've got to say, his access to their system was quite extraordinary. So all the facets of his personality—the genial approach that he took to people, the love that he always exhibited of being in the company of people who wanted to discuss ideas—was on display on those couple of days. We actually also got to see the Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel. Now, I'm not sure whether it was anything Mike said, but that afternoon Chuck was dismissed from his job by President Obama. But none the less, the access was quite extraordinary.
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We also enjoyed, that evening, quite an extraordinary dinner that Mike put on. One of the guests was the Hon Kim Beazley from Australia. It will be one occasion that I'll remember for the rest of my life because of the breadth of the conversation, the forward-thinking of that conversation, and the ability that Mike Moore seemed to have to see a couple of steps ahead of where everything else was. It took some deciphering, but you knew it was there. I am somewhat sorry, though, that it was a few weeks later that he became quite ill.
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At the end of the dinner, at around 9 o'clock, he sort of rounded everyone up and said, "Well, Minister, you've got a big day tomorrow, you need to move on.", and I took a slight risk and said to him, "Oh, hang on a minute, Ambassador. Whatever happened to fine old MFAT tradition of port and cigars after the dinner?" He leapt out of his chair—remember, this was a man who was not overly well then, and he had trouble with his feet—and procured the most rubbishy bunch of cigars I've ever seen, but some of the finest port you could ever get. We sat outside in December until after 2 in the morning with the discussion continuing—quite an extraordinary occasion.
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But I also want to say, particularly to Yvonne Moore, who was also highly regarded by the people in Christchurch, that their enduring partnership no doubt allowed Mike to have the career that he was able to follow. To her, our deepest sympathies and condolences as she goes about the rest of her life without her life partner, Mike Moore.
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Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR (Minister of Agriculture): Kia ora, Mr Speaker, and, look, it's a great honour to say a few words to someone who I considered a friend and who I owe so much to. This won't be the last word on Mike Moore, but he had a saying that it was always hard to be too right too early. Mike, unfortunately, you've run out of time to prove so many things to us, but we now have the responsibility to prove that many of those things that Ron raised were, indeed, correct.
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I'd like to take the opportunity to thank Yvonne Moore. It was always Mike and Yvonne, Yvonne and Mike. For as long as I know, she has been a long-serving supporter of everything that Mike did. She shared her husband with the Labour Party, she shared her husband with New Zealand, and she shared her husband with the world, and so thank you for that.
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I first met Mike in 1990. It was Mike's, I guess you might say, manic tour. He was the Prime Minister trying to hold together a party that was blowing apart. He was running around the country as fast as he could, literally at warp speed, talking to people, trying to keep our vote up. He was due to visit a little tourism business in the mouth of the Buller Gorge, where I was located. I didn't find out until later on, but, indeed, they came down out of the gorge at God knows what speed, right into a mob of sheep that my father was driving on the road. There were no lamburgers created in that incident, but he came into our business, asked how things were, in a genuine and engaging way, spoke with all 10 of us at that place, and then moved on in a shower of gravel and dust as he moved on.
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He held the Labour Party together at a really challenging time. He went through that election and ended up with 29 MPs that kept the National Government honest for three years. That was an incredible achievement, and we have to thank him for that.
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In 1992, I was selected as a candidate—never been in a campaign before—and, looking back now, the organisation and the discipline and the focus of that campaign has probably not been matched. Remember, that was at a time when cellphones were bricks—I'd like to thank Ron Mark for outlining some of the amazing organisational material that we had—and he oversaw, I guess, a discipline around that campaign that brought us to a point that almost saw the Labour Party win in 1993.
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It was an interesting campaign. "Mike's mafia", the "Beagle Boys"—call them what you like, they were a passionate, loyal bunch of people that did things like rush into Hokitika a couple of hours before the plane would land and literally plaster the town with hoardings. These are people in pinstripe suits putting up hoardings all around Hokitika, organising a crowd at the airport to meet Mike, organising a crowd at the local tourism business, and organising a crowd at the bar to which he went. There was an astute journalist that recognised that they were all the same crowd.
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But I can particularly remember Mike rushing out of a tourism business—you know, he'd been in there, talking genuinely with all the people, and he rushed out on to the street, saw the first person there and said "Right, drive me to the next gallery.", and I remember this West Coaster turned around and said, "I'm not your bloody driver." But, of course, Mike didn't flinch; he just carried on. He treated everyone with dignity, with respect, and with kindness.
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In 1993, he almost brought the Labour Party from, I guess, the depths of despair in 1990 to 1993, when we almost won, and I have to say that it was something that brought me into politics. For that, I thank you, Mike. He saw the West Coast seat as a taonga, and he did so much to help me turn around what was a significant majority. Thank you, Mike, for that.
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He, of course, ended up losing the leadership, and not long after that—or, as he liked to say, he mislaid it. It was pretty tough on him and a number of people, and it was tough on the party. He did say, of course, that he did sleep like a baby after that—you know, he dozed for a few hours, then he'd wake up and cry, and then he'd doze for a few more hours and he'd wake up and cry, and on it went.
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He was distraught because it was the job that he'd always worked so hard for. But he wasn't one to sulk or to sit around and do nothing, and then his focus on trade, I have to say, has helped us all as a country. There was some, I guess, cynicism about his approach, because of, maybe, his position in a Labour Government. Some thought it should be fair trade, and they didn't trust his free-trade agenda. But what he did see, and what has been shown to be so true, is that trade—trade of not just goods; trade of culture, of ideas, the movement of people—has been so beneficial to hundreds of millions of people around the world. His determination, through the World Trade Organization and through his commitment to, I guess, a better planet, that has indeed cost him his health over time, is an enduring legacy to someone who is and always will be a great New Zealander.
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Thank you, Yvonne. Thank you, Mike, for what you have done. I personally thank you, and the Labour Party will always be grateful for a wonderful, wonderful leader. Kia ora.
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): All the speakers who have gone before me have given a rich tribute to Mike, and so I just want to take a few minutes to offer some personal reflections on Mike Moore but also to pick up a couple of the themes. The first of those was his love of this institution of Parliament, and all parts of it. He came to prominence relatively quickly in that first term that he was here—between 1972 and 1975—but I think, like all MPs who go through the experience of losing their seat after being in here for a period of time, when he did make it back in here, he was determined that he would make his mark even more so.
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He once told me a story, when he came back in after 1978, about the fact that he really worked hard to keep in contact with his constituents. In those days, the phone bills for MPs went via the Prime Minister's office before they were released. One year, the then Prime Minister Robert Muldoon recognised that Mr Moore had a very, very large phone bill and he decided that he would make use of this in the media, and so leaked out the details of Mike's extremely large phone bill. Mike came under a lot of pressure from the media to respond to this enormous phone bill, and so his response was to say, "You can call me anything you like, but don't call me collect."—that's a joke for the over-45s in the room.
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My own first experience of meeting with Mike was actually as a student president. I'm not sure, Paula Bennett, if you were with us that day or not, but he was the leader of the Labour Party at the time, and a group of student presidents had come in to lobby him very hard about reversing the introduction of fees and the hardship that students were going through. He listened patiently to us for some time, and I'd noticed earlier in the meeting that there was a very energised young man sitting in the corner of the room with a clipboard on which he was writing down absolutely everything. As we got towards the end of our presentation, Mike actually physically stood up from the table, pointed at this young man and said, "Clayton, hovercrafts—think about it.", and Clayton Cosgrove wrote down "hovercrafts". I later learnt it was a reference to some industry training needs and things that Mike had seen, but I began to see what Mr Bridges meant about sometimes finding it difficult to interpret everything that Mike had to say.
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A lot of people have talked about Mike's connection to trade, and, again, I won't dwell on that either. I had the privilege of being a New Zealand diplomat just after Mike took on the role of being World Trade Organization director-general. He came to New York, where I was posted, and he was involved in a number of interesting meetings with people, but he ended up on a panel discussion in front of the whole General Assembly to discuss the importance of trade. He was eloquent and he was incredible, and he made the case in a way that few people could. He, of course, did that with his own unique style, and at one point, in the middle of it, he paused and said, "Back up the truck." There was silence, so I thought, "I wonder how this has been translated." I went across to my Chinese colleague and said, "How did the translator deal with that?", and the translator said, "The speaker is referring to heavy vehicles." Mike would've liked that, I suspect, as part of what he did. But his advocacy for trade was enormous, and his contribution to that cannot be overstated.
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He had a great relationship with Ministers of trade who followed on from him, and one of his favourites, as our colleagues across the House will know, was Tim Groser. I think I'm right in saying that Tim actually worked in Mike's office when he was the Minister of overseas trade, so they had a long-lasting relationship.
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I recall one story from Washington when Tim came up as the Minister. Mike, as Mr Brownlee has already mentioned, had the most extraordinary set of contacts in Washington, and he brought together this amazing array of people for Tim to speak to. The moment came in the evening for Mike to begin the formalities. He got up and he said "Ladies and gentlemen, we have one of the foremost leaders in world trade in the room tonight, a man to whose legacy we will all look back on in future years as being a person who fundamentally changed the direction of trade talks"—you can imagine the introduction went on for some time—and Mike then said, "But enough about me." I'm led to believe Tim Groser's face was quite a picture at that particular moment. He also—I won't carry on too much longer, Mr Speaker—came up with a line that I've used in this House a few times, which is that the problem with Tim Groser was that he just didn't get enough credit for splitting the atom, and there are so many more stories.
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I just want to finish on two points. The first of those is that Mike Moore had every reason not to trust me or support me. I represented a couple of things about the Labour Party that Mike wasn't always that fond of, but he showed me throughout my political career the most extraordinary kindness and support. I made a couple of trips to Washington while he was there and benefited from those contacts and networks. I watched the 2012 election night result with him, which is a memory I'll share for ever and my lungs will never forget. It was an extraordinary experience to spend time with Mike in those moments, because you felt his passion for politics, but, far more than that, you felt his passion for ideas and for discussion and for debate, and I am thankful to him for showing me that kindness.
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I have a feeling he was trying to deal with a few regrets and the odd little demon about what happened to the Labour Party, particularly in the 1980s and early 1990s, and he built those bridges with a number of colleagues on this side of the House who are here today. I think he really wanted to hold together the party that meant so much to him for his whole life, and for that kindness and that support, I thank him wholeheartedly.
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My final words are for Yvonne. Yvonne Moore and Mike Moore were a team. They were a partnership beyond a loving relationship and marriage. They were part of the same journey in politics and in life. What they did for people, their friends, and their colleagues was huge, but Yvonne went at every step in every way with Mike, and today I really feel for Yvonne. I send all my love to her because this will be such a difficult time, but I want this House to record and to know that Yvonne Moore's contribution to New Zealand has to be recognised alongside her husband, Mike. She is a remarkable woman, and, Yvonne, we feel for you today.
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E te rangatira, haere, haere, haere atu rā.
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Hon SHANE JONES (Minister of Forestry): Kia ora anō tātou. E Maika, tōku mārohirohi. E Maika, tōku tautōhito. E Maika, tōku taitoa. Kua pau te wā i whakaritea ai mōu hāereere ai i waenga tonu, i runga tonu i te motu. E hoki koe ki te iwi, kua oti noa atu i a rātou te takahi atu i te ara whakamutunga. Nā reira, e kara, e moe, moe, oti atu e.
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[Greetings again to all. Mike, my strong one. Mike, my wise one. Mike, my courageous one. Expired is the time that was allowed for you to travel amongst us, and on this land. Return to the people, those who have completed their traverse of the final path. Therefore, my friend, rest, rest, rest in eternity.]
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It was 1988 when, for a mercifully short period of time, I was employed by Geoffrey Palmer. I was sent to represent Geoffrey Palmer because of blistering attacks coming from the National Party against the Lange Labour Government's Treaty policy. In that meeting was Koro Wētere, Roger Douglas, Mr Prebble, and Mike Moore, and there was fear that attacks from the Opposition Māori affairs spokesman were starting to lacerate the ranks of the front bench of the Labour Party. Mike Moore said, "This guy Peters is making traction." Richard Prebble said, "He must be stopped. How do we slow these things down?" Douglas said, "How much will it cost?" Koro Wētere said, "It's time to eat." That was an introduction for a 28-year-old working at the highest levels—along with Hekia Parata—of what passes for the Cabinet-style Government dealing with, in the 1980s, Treaty of Waitangi issues.
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Mike also wrote a book. He was a great believer in encouraging people to self-educate, to persevere with expanding the frontiers of knowledge. He got this book published and brought it to Matauri Bay. It was about a thousand pages long. The name of the book was A World Without Walls. It was his gospel of free trade, freedom, development, and global governance. He gave me a copy. He did something quite staggering, given his belief in education—a thousand pages long, dense UN speak. He gave a copy for self-edification and education to Dover Samuels. I can assure you, if there's ever a book that was never opened in the hands of a senior Māori, it is that particular missive or tome.
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There's a famous saying, and if I'm not mistaken, it's from Julius Caesar, that "A coward dies many times before their death". This man was no political coward. He has died only once. Sure, he suffered setbacks, but he stood up and kept going, whether it's as a cancer survivor as a very young man, whether it's as a failed, unfulfilled young political candidate, or whether it's as a short but enjoyable period of time that he enjoyed as the leader. So we salute him today, a fine New Zealander, very popular amongst the earthy side of our electorate and very capable—as Mr Brownlee has pointed out—of enjoying the company of his great friend Neville Wran or Mr Beazley or a host of other luminaries that he introduced us to when we made various trips as MPs to America when he was the ambassador. He truly was a people's champion.
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To his wife, Yvonne: ngā mihi nui ki a koe. Without a doubt, on Friday, it will be a difficult day. But for those of us who will be present to support you in that particular, searching period, we offer you our prayers, we offer you our support, and we know that friends and others will gather around you after the crowds have disappeared and returned to their own families and their lives.
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The final saying is that good men must die—me mate te tangata—but death cannot kill their names—e kore ō rātou ingoa e mūreia. A good man has died, but his name will live on in this House and amongst those of us who practise the arts of democracy and politics. Kia ora tātou.
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SPEAKER: Members, I'm going to take a little indulgence and make a few comments myself. I first met Mike in these buildings when Norman Kirk was the Prime Minister and he was an Auckland member.
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In 1983, when I was first a candidate for the Labour Party in Hamilton West, Mike, as part of his lamburger tour, came to Hamilton West and opened my campaign. The comments that Grant Robertson made about "Call me collect" were nearly accurate. Actually, Sir Robert Muldoon, who was at the time the Minister in charge of the Legislative Department—which was the Office of the Clerk and the Parliamentary Service—actually waved Mike's $3,000 monthly phone bill around in the House, and I think that's a bit of a sign of how times have changed.
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But I can remember Mike was both happy and unhappy at that stage, during the lamburger tour, because the Minister in charge of the Legislative Department had ruled that notwithstanding a campervan, which he was using for his tour, being cheaper than a rental car and the hotel bills, Sir Robert would not approve the payment for the campervan. Mike, like a number of his successors, had some contacts in the end who, while they weren't normally Labour Party supporters, understood the importance of the message and supported that trip.
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During that meeting, kicking off the campaign and kicking off the canvassing, Mike used the name of my then opponent, Mike Minogue, somewhat in vain. He described not a lamburger, but a "Minogue burger". He described it as "half tongue and half chicken". That was reported in the first edition of that day's Waikato Times, but in the home edition of the Waikato Times, it looked something like a wartime censorship exercise. I'm reliably informed that the printers were sent out by the management to chip off the block and take that phrase out of the Waikato Times. So there was a blank space on the front left-hand side of the paper on that day.
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Others have referred to Mike's role in international trade. He saw it as not that complicated as far as economics was concerned. It was about people doing what they were good at and sharing it with other countries. Mike was very firmly of the view that poorer people could eat more if it was cheaper, and the way to make it cheaper was to trade it and not to have the tariff and other barriers stopping that happening. Frankly, with a few exceptions here and one more notable exception internationally, that is now the received wisdom around the world, and it certainly wasn't the case 25 or 30 years ago.
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There are going to be lots of stories told, I'm sure, over time, and we've heard the story of the shared job. I know a little bit about how that actually ended up occurring, because Mike had picked up that idea. He tried with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to make contact with the Thais and, you know, the phone was not being picked up. There was no reception there. Mike was at dinner with a prominent Wellington business person at his home. The business person's wife at the time was Thai and she overheard this conversation. She got on the phone and worked her way through the staff in Thailand and got to Supachai on to the phone, and that's how that discussion about the job-sharing actually occurred. I think it just shows what a small world we actually have and the way that some of these things work.
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I worked for Mike for three years, between 1990 and 1993. I think it's fair to say that it wasn't always easy. Mike used to himself say that he wanted to have more yes-men in his office, and he didn't always appreciate contrary advice. But in that time, I got to know him. I got to really appreciate Yvonne and Mike as people. My son, who was then a teenager and is now 46, idolised Mike and his friend and successor Clayton Cosgrove. I want to thank Clayton for his role in supporting Mike so much in recent years. Mike was Clayton's friend and his mentor, and I think most of us regard Mike as Clayton's father figure.
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Mike was incredibly generous, even to those with whom relationships at the time weren't always positive. He helped me when I had a relatively significant legal battle—still unresolved, I might say to some people on my right—both with obtaining good legal advice and financial support for that advice. That gave us a chance to talk during his last term here in a way which I found very positive. I had another very good opportunity to do that in 2013 during the America's Cup, when he was ambassador and he was there, and I spent quite a lot of time talking. I was actually AWOL at the time. There'd been a leadership change here, and I didn't feel any need to hurry home, so we had quite a discussion about leadership changes, both then and 20 years earlier, within the Labour Party.
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I do want to underline the fact that Mike was the first Minister responsible for the America's Cup. You know, most people at the time thought that the idea was mad, it was ridiculous, and we could never win it, but Mike was the person who saw how technology and innovation and renewal could make a difference to New Zealand. It was a small area for Mike, but it was, I think, an indicator of the way—as Damien O'Connor said—Mike was often right too soon. One of the things that I really regret is that after Grant Dalton has arranged a special leg of the next America's Cup to be run right outside Mike's home, he won't be there to watch it.
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Jane and I visited Mike last year. It was when he wasn't great physically, but, as others have said, he was still absolutely sharp mentally, notwithstanding the obvious pain that he was in. It was only meant to be for a few minutes, but Jane and I were there for about three hours.
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Yvonne—as she always was—was exceptionally supportive, as Mike was of Yvonne. I mean, one of my memories was of Mike in I think 1993, when he had missed an important meeting with a foreign visitor to his office. We sort of said, "Well, why didn't you catch the plane, Mike?" It was the fact that their cat had died and Yvonne was upset, and Mike knew that his family and Yvonne were more important at that time than any international visitor.
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She was always the most important thing in Mike's life, and I'm sure that all of our thoughts will be with her.
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TUESDAY, 25 AUGUST 2020
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The Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.
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Prayers.
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MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS
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COVID-19 Outbreak—Government Response
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Health): Thank you, Mr Speaker. It's now 14 days since COVID-19 re-emerged in the community and the Government moved Auckland to alert level 3 and the rest of New Zealand to alert level 2. The events of the last two weeks have once again confirmed the value of going hard and going early. The latest outbreak has resulted in the largest single cluster of cases that we have seen in New Zealand in our response to COVID-19 to date, but it could have been so much worse. So far, 108 cases, as at 10.30 this morning, have been linked to the cluster—with cases across multiple workplaces, churches, and public transport. Thanks to the efforts of everyone who's observed the alert level rules, as well as the record levels of testing and outstanding work by public health contact tracers, we can be increasingly confident that we are containing this cluster. This is not a matter of luck; it's a result of a lot of planning and a lot of hard work.
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For example, in the last two weeks we've processed close to 200,000 tests, including more than 100,000 tests in Auckland alone. That gives us real confidence that the virus is not widespread in the community. Our contact tracing has also performed strongly. Since 11 August, 2,446 close contacts have been identified, with 2,390 contacted and in isolation, and we've hit the gold standard target of 80 percent for contacting close contacts within 48 hours. In fact, from 16 to 22 August, 94 percent of close contacts were contacted within that time frame. This work, combined with the impact of level 3 restrictions in Auckland, has massively reduced the opportunity for the virus to spread. I want to thank, once again, everyone who has been tested, our public health staff, lab workers, and the public for following the alert level rules. Your collective efforts continue to save lives.
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None of this is to say that we're out of the woods yet. We'll continue to see new cases reported from this cluster for a while yet. There are still three cases under investigation that have not yet been epidemiologically linked to the cluster, although one of them has so far been genomically linked. So when Cabinet meet yesterday, we again took the precautionary approach and we decided to keep Auckland at alert level 3 until 11.59 p.m. on Sunday, 30 August. I acknowledge that this will not be welcome news for all, particularly for those small businesses that are most exposed by their reduction in trade, but, ultimately, the best health response is the best economic response. Throughout our response to COVID-19, we've used the latest evidence and the best advice available to us at the time. We've learnt and we've adapted as we've gone. That will again be the case as we transition down the alert levels. In Auckland, we will ease our way back.
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So from midnight on Sunday, schools, hospitality, retail, and those entities that are able to operate at level 2 will reopen, but we will keep a limit on mass gatherings. That means that groups of no more than 10—with the exception of tangihanga and funerals, which will be allowed to go ahead with up to 50 people, just as we did the last time we stepped down to level 2 gradually. The rest of the country will maintain current alert level 2 settings. That means, outside of Auckland, gatherings such as church services and social events will continue to be limited to 100 people. These settings will be in place for one week, from Sunday, and will be reviewed before Sunday, 6 September. After 30 August, the checkpoints will go and interregional travel will again be possible. This brings the risk of Aucklanders who may be infected spreading the virus to other parts of the country, or visitors to Auckland picking up the virus and taking it home. That's a key reason for keeping the entire country at alert level 2.
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Cabinet yesterday also considered fresh advice on the use of masks and face coverings. As a result, wearing a mask on public and passenger transport will be the new normal for us at alert level 2 for the whole of the country. New Zealanders will need to wear masks on buses, trains, ferries, planes, taxis, and Ubers. This requirement will take effect from 11.59 p.m. on 30 August this year.
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Can I end by acknowledging, once again, that the last few weeks have been difficult for many people, particularly those in Auckland. No one wanted to see COVID-19 re-emerge in the community, but we always knew that it was possible and that it could happen. We were ready for it with a record testing capacity and a strong contact tracing system. We continue to take a fact-based approach, and base our strategy on the view of medical and scientific experts. We know that the best way to protect our people and our economy is to stamp out this virus, and we are on track to do that again.
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Dr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei): Thank you, Mr Speaker. I want to thank the Minister for advising us of the Government's position and plans. Just here and now, there is great uncertainty for all of us. To use a game-day framework—and coronavirus is no game—the question is: where are we in the coronavirus journey for New Zealanders? Are we at quarter-time? Are we at half-time? Are we at golden overtime? We don't know. The Government doesn't know. None of us can possibly project where we are on that continuum. That is our uncertainty, and, where there is uncertainty, very quickly anxiety fills that vacuum, and then fear. New Zealanders can never let this virus lead us with fear. Respect and caution, yes; fear, no. We can never be afraid in our own country.
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While uncertainty springs from the unknown, there are things we do know that can fill that void. We do know the answers to the eight criteria, the eight steps that the Prime Minister said would determine if we move levels or not. We do know all of the options that health officials presented to Cabinet on Monday, from which one was chosen. We do know the economic and health implications of every choice that was made as we crossed levels. So we ask the Government to share that information with New Zealanders. Let us have some control of our own destiny and fill the void of uncertainty with knowledge and understanding. Crowdsource this problem. Bring all the imagination into one room.
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To conclude, the outcome for this current four-day extension will be better and more durable if we take New Zealanders with us, and so we say to the Government: please share this information.
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David Seymour: Mr Speaker.
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SPEAKER: Well, the member doesn't have a call.
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David Seymour: It was a ministerial statement. It was agreed at Business Committee. Is that not the case?
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SPEAKER: Well, the member might want to seek leave, but if he wanted a Business Committee decision, he should have asked the Business Committee decision for—
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David Seymour: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.
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SPEAKER: The member's seeking leave to have a call. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.
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DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Well, thank you, Mr Speaker. I join with other members in response to the ministerial statement. I think that there will be people up and down New Zealand who take issue with a couple of points that the Minister made. The Minister said that we are in control of this situation as a country because the response to the resurgence has been so much stronger. Well, the question that might come back is: why has the regime of testing, contact tracing, and isolation not got ahead of the outbreak in the time frames that the Government promised?
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Well, at first, last Tuesday—the 11th, if I recall—we were told it was necessary to have three days where the Government would evaluate and, it was suggested, get on top of the outbreak. A couple of days later, on the Friday, it became clear that the Government had not succeeded in doing this, and we were to extend the restrictions—level 3 in Auckland and level 2 for the rest of the country—for another 11 days. And then we thought, well, surely, with everybody dutifully following the restrictions and staying home, the Government will be able to trace to the perimeter of this outbreak, to the end of the chains of transmission, and actually get us to a stage where we are on top of it and can go back to business as usual. Yet yesterday we saw the Prime Minister announce, oh no, we're still not there and we must remain in this restricted state for a further four days until midnight on Sunday.
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Now, people might reasonably question the Minister's statement that we're in control and the Government has handled this well when they see the costs imposed upon New Zealanders, when they see businesses closing and saying they will not be able to open again, when they see students anxious about the loss of learning as they approach high-stakes exams, and when they see the fiscal cost. You know, by one estimate, the cost of this lockdown is the equivalent of a whole year's Pharmac budget for taxpayer-funded pharmaceuticals. That is quite an extraordinary cost, and it puts in perspective that this is not just lives versus dollars or health versus the economy; it's actually a question of lives versus lives.
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I would put it that people may well say the Government could be forgiven for its lack of preparedness back in March. I don't think anybody was ready for this then—with perhaps one or two Asian countries as the exception. But where people might question the Minister's statement is in what the Government was doing to mend the roof in the fair weather for the storm that they knew would come. They say they've improved contact tracing. Well, a million people scanning a QR code everyday—well, that is one-fifth of the team of 5 million. I'm doing it five or six times a day on average, so I suspect you've got four percent of New Zealanders doing it five times a day—a million scans. Four percent of people using it, if you square it, gives you a 0.2 percent chance of actually making a contact. That's the mathematical reality, and that's with people finally starting to use the Government's contact tracing app. Imagine if they'd used the 102 days of COVID freedom to invest in proper contact tracing so we could be saved these unsustainable, expensive, and rolling lockdowns that are so expensive for New Zealanders.
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They don't like to hear it, but that's the truth. They don't like to hear it, but that is what people are thinking—what is the strategy, when do we stop making it up as we go, and how do we get out of this thing in a way that is sustainable? That's what people are thinking when they hear that ministerial statement, and that is the conversation our country needs to start having in honest terms. Thank you, Mr Speaker.
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Health): Just very briefly picking up where David Seymour began, I think he misunderstands the escalation process around alert levels. We moved up the alert levels at the beginning, for a defined period of time, in order to scope the extent of the problem—how far had the virus spread, how many people were involved. The extension was then for a full infection cycle, which is two weeks. Our decisions here have been made based on science. The continuation of that period is because we have not yet found the absolute outer limit of the cluster. We're still seeing new cases in the cluster, but the recent ones have all been linked to the cluster, which does give us confidence that we're getting on top of things.
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But I want to reiterate the most obvious point: it's a virus. You know, viruses can't be completely controlled. If it was a matter of snapping our fingers and controlling it, we wouldn't be in this position in the first place. It is a virus and, at this point, there aren't any definitive answers as to how this latest cluster came about, so we have to continue the contact tracing and testing regime in order to get those answers, and responsible leaders will withhold their judgment until they actually see what they are.
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RESPONSES
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Rachel Morton and David Farrer—Statements by Rt Hon Winston Peters
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SPEAKER: I also present responses under Standing Orders 159 to 162 on the applications of Rachel Morton and David Farrar relating to references made by the Rt Hon Winston Peters on 22 July 2020. Those papers are published under the authority of the House.
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ORAL QUESTIONS
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QUESTIONS TO MINISTERSQuestion No. 1—Finance
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1. GREG O'CONNOR (Labour—Ōhāriu) to the Minister of Finance: How is the Government supporting New Zealand businesses and workers through the global COVID-19 pandemic?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): The Government has provided over $13.3 billion in wage subsidies since the first scheme was launched in March. This means wage subsidies have been available over a maximum of 22 weeks for eligible businesses. For a sole trader, this equates to $12,887.60 in direct assistance; for a business with 10 full-time workers, this equates to a cash grant of over $128,000; for a business with 25 workers, over $322,000; and for a business with 40 workers, over $515,000. These 22 weeks of wage subsidies have been available during a period in which the entire country has spent seven weeks at levels 3 and 4, and with Auckland at level 3 for an additional 2½ weeks. The rest of the period we have operated at either level 2 or 1, when wage subsidies are being paid. Over and above these subsidies, the Government has also helped to cushion the impact of higher alert levels through the small business cash flow scheme, the business finance guarantee scheme, and a range of other business-friendly initiatives.
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Greg O'Connor: How do these support measures fit into the Government's wider strategy to respond to COVID-19?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: This Government believes that the best economic response to COVID-19 is a strong public health response. This stance is in line with our wellbeing approach and the Living Standards Framework. In deciding yesterday to extend current restrictions until Sunday, we are giving ourselves the time to fully bring the current outbreak under control. Doing so means that we can return to normal levels of economic activity faster, allowing a more rapid recovery. This is exactly what we saw in New Zealand in June, July, and the first 12 days of August. In the meantime, we have provided the wage subsidy to help businesses pay and retain workers over this period. This is in addition to the previous wage subsidy extension, which remains open for applications until 1 September. We know that the current restrictions are difficult for businesses and households, but by going hard and early to eliminate the virus wherever it appears, while cushioning the blow, we put our economy in a better position to recover—as we saw in June, July, and the beginning of August.
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Greg O'Connor: What recent reports has he seen implying the relative success of the Government's COVID-19 response strategy?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: I've seen reports today that New Zealand Trade and Enterprise (NZTE) is experiencing a dramatic increase in interest for investor visa applications as a result of the relative success of the elimination strategy. The NZTE general manager of investment said, "New Zealand's response to COVID has definitely been noticed in other countries, and has created … [an] interest in relocating businesses … or investing here [that] is higher than normal." He said that New Zealand's coronavirus response had multiplied its existing advantages of lifestyle, our Pacific Rim location, trade deals, and innovative businesses. While we know we have to stay the course to bring this current outbreak under control, it is pleasing to see that our elimination strategy is paying dividends through increased interest from overseas investors.
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Question No. 2—Health
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DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): I seek leave for this question to be addressed to and answered by the Prime Minister, as originally submitted.
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SPEAKER: Order! I am not prepared to put that leave to the House. This is a matter which has been—that approach has been taken and ruled out by Speakers many times in the past. The member knows that it is a right of the Government to transfer the question. Does the member want to continue with the question?
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DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Certainly, Mr Speaker. I just thought that maybe the House would make a different choice, but I appreciate—
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SPEAKER: Order! Order! If the member wants to proceed with the question, he will, without any further preface.
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2. DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT) to the Minister of Health: Does he agree with the Prime Minister's statement that "The ability to contact trace quickly is one of the key tools we have to find new cases and get them in isolation to avoid future lockdowns, so always using the app is a big investment in keeping our businesses and economy open"; if so, how many of the identified 2,300 close contacts of cases have been identified by two people checking in at the same location using the NZ COVID Tracer App?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Health): Yes, but as I've said before in the House recently, the COVID Tracer app is just one of the tools that's available to us. The work and expertise of the public health units and the National Close Contact Service remain the mainstays of our contact tracing system, and I have confidence in the effectiveness of their work. In regard to the second part of the question, the COVID Tracer app helps people to record where they've been and can be used to notify potential contacts of exposure to COVID-19. Public health units do not specifically record how they've identified the close contacts across all 2,446 cases, but I've been advised that the app is being used to help find the up-to-date contact details for close contact follow-up. It is in the case investigators' operating procedure to request the digital diary of a case, where they have one.
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David Seymour: Can the public take from the Minister's answer that he doesn't know if the NZ COVID Tracer app has been at all useful in tracing the current outbreak?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No, and if he'd listened to my answer, he would know that.
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David Seymour: If the Minister said there is no record of how many people have been traced using the NZ COVID Tracer app, how could he know whether it's been useful?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: The better the records people have of their movements, the faster that we can get in contact with all the people they've been in contact with. But I'd also point out that one of the things that we have been very clear about is that by registering for the COVID Tracer app, the Ministry of Health gets people's up-to-date contact information, and that's actually one of the most important steps in the process. It can slow down the contact tracing process considerably if we can't get hold of people.
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David Seymour: Why should people register and use the app when he, as Minister of Health, can't even explain if it's being useful in containing this outbreak?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Well, I just did.
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David Seymour: If the Government believes that contact tracing is useful, why didn't it make it mandatory to have QR codes in every business earlier, so that more people used it and it might have been useful for tracing this outbreak?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: In the early days after the last lockdown was ended, there were a number of different tracing applications that were being used by people, and we've been working to improve the quality of the Government's COVID Tracer app so that we can have a standard system. One of the things that we've been working through is making sure that businesses only need to display one QR code, even if people are using a different tracer app, and that has involved working with other providers of tracer apps to make sure that the QR codes that we supply can be the one and only code that businesses need to display. We were able to conclude that work, and, actually, businesses have welcomed that because it means less compliance for them and the need to display multiple codes is reduced.
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Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern: Can the Minister confirm that of all the analysis that's been done in overseas jurisdictions, almost every single one of them has confirmed that the use of on-the-ground contact tracing through human-to-human contact is always necessary and that technological solutions alone will never be sufficient?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes, absolutely. I've always said, and I think the Government has always said, that our person-to-person contact tracing system is the mainstay of the system, and I'd point out that no Government anywhere around the world has found that one magical technological solution that would short-circuit that process. What we've always said is that the COVID Tracer app helps to speed up the manual contact tracing process, but that will always be the mainstay of the system.
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Question No. 3—Prime Minister
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3. Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Leader of the Opposition) to the Prime Minister: What led to her announcing the appointment of Heather Simpson and Sir Brian Roche as part of "a small team to support Health to stand up the comprehensive testing strategy that we set out in June"?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister): As I said when I announced their appointment, "So far, the roll-out of our resurgence plan is working as we intended. However, as has been discussed in recent days, there are constantly things that we can and should be improving with our COVID response, as we have done all the way through. Cabinet signed off a good, solid testing plan for border and managed isolation workers … in late June, but, as [we have] discussed, it has not been executed at the scale and speed necessary. … as with our response in all things with COVID, when we've identified gaps or issues, we have moved at speed to fill them, and we do so now again."
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Hon Judith Collins: What will Heather Simpson and Sir Brian Roche do?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Implement the testing strategy passed by Cabinet in June.
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Hon Judith Collins: Why wasn't that done before?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: As I said in my original answer, it was not done at the scale and speed that Cabinet had expected.
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Hon Judith Collins: To whom does the small group that Heather Simpson and Sir Brian Roche are part of report?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: It will be reporting to the Minister of Health. I also expect that it will be dealing directly with the Director-General of Health as well.
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Hon Judith Collins: Does convening the small group reveal that she doesn't have confidence in the Ministers she's tasked with responding to COVID-19?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: No.
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Hon Judith Collins: Does the small group standing up the comprehensive testing strategy have any terms of reference?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Yes, and they're being drafted currently. I expect that that and the wider membership will be released shortly, but, again, as I've already indicated, we passed the testing strategy in June, and that is what this group will be assisting Health with to ensure it is rolled out. I remind the member that the testing strategy cuts across multiple agencies: border staff, port staff, managed isolation and quarantine. We want to make sure that we have a regime that will be able to ensure regular routine testing across all of those sites, including asymptomatic testing, as well as making sure that we have good surveillance testing across those vulnerable communities. That is what that group will be supporting Health to do.
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Hon Judith Collins: Did the Prime Minister just say that the terms of reference are still being drafted?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: They have not been released yet, but will be shortly. As I've said, though, we already have the plan that they are implementing.
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Hon Judith Collins: Which of her Ministers is ultimately responsible for the COVID-19 response?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Obviously, as a Government, we have Ministers that are responsible for individual strands, but, as a Cabinet, we take responsibility for the entire implementation of our COVID response and resurgence plan.
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Hon Judith Collins: Is there one Minister who she can rely on to be ultimately responsible for the COVID-19 response?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I have trust and faith in my entire Cabinet, and every single Minister has been contributing in some way to our response and has played a role. I would happily have reference to my team on a billboard.
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Hon Judith Collins: Then why doesn't she?
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SPEAKER: Order! Order! There was a comment that the Prime Minister shouldn't have made, and a question for which she has no responsibility being asked.
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Hon Judith Collins: I'll go ahead then, thank you. When will the full membership of the small group be announced?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I expect the Minister of Health to do that shortly, but, obviously, we already have Sir Brian Roche and Heather Simpson already working on it. Again, I would reference to the member, she seems to be neglecting the fact that this is the implementation of a strategy that already exists. So of course that sets us well on our way.
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Question No. 4—Housing
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4. GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) to the Minister of Housing: What recent announcements has she made about adding additional layers of assurance to the managed isolation and quarantine system?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing): Last week, I made two significant announcements that will give additional layers of assurance to our operations at managed isolation and quarantine facilities. Around 500 more New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel will be deployed at our facilities and at the maritime border, further bolstering protections against community COVID-19 spread. We are also reducing our reliance on private security guards, and we will move to a model of direct employment of security guards, with the appropriate training and paying the living wage. I have also announced a roll-out of security enhancements, including the use of CCTV and audible alarms at all managed isolation and quarantine facilities, as well as a trial of the CovidCard at one facility. These measures are part of the continual improvement in the managed isolation and quarantine system. To date, over 42,000 people have been through our managed isolation system and only a single case has been identified in a staff member. The system is working, but more than ever we need to ensure that these layers of assurance built into our system protect the community from the spread of COVID-19.
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Ginny Andersen: How does this build on the existing processes in place at managed isolation and quarantine facilities?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: Since I took over responsibility for the managed isolation and quarantine facilities on 17 June, along with Air Commodore Webb, we have visited 13 facilities and introduced a range of measures to improve all the processes at the facilities. In this time, we have also doubled our capacity from 16 facilities to 32. On 19 June, a rapid review was initiated of the managed isolation and quarantine system. Seventeen actions were identified, and we have implemented 17 of these actions, with a sub-action around document management—obviously, an ongoing task. These include the doubling of NZDF staff at quarantine facilities; an urgent review of the end-to-end protocols and their application at managed isolation and quarantine facilities; oversight of exit testing, ensuring no one leaves a facility without a negative COVID-19 test; strict medical-standard cleaning protocols, including the use of a Bioquell machine; methodical management of facility capacity and returning New Zealanders to ensure systems remain robust; and dedicated standard operating procedures for each facility. There is no playbook for quarantining tens of thousands of New Zealanders at our border. If we see issues, we fix them, and the latest improvements are part of a process of continuous improvement and are another example of the active approach this Government is taking at the border.
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Ginny Andersen: Why is it important to utilise technology inside these facilities?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: We have learned recently just how easily this virus can be spread. In the instance of the maintenance worker at the Rydges hotel, transmission is now thought to have most likely occurred via a lift. This is a tricky virus. The technology we announced on Friday adds another layer of security to our systems. These include thermal CCTV around the perimeter, with geo-fenced alarming—this technology would create an alarm when people move within a defined area—CCTV in public and exercise areas to monitor distance breaches, and CCTV in accommodation corridors to monitor any breaches between rooms; security-controlled desks and rooms dedicated in each facility; audible alarms on fire exits; and electronic access systems to restrict or track movement around a facility. This Government will also be commencing a pilot of the CovidCard with staff and returnees inside managed isolation facilities. Human error is something that we try to minimise but is an ever present risk. But as keeping COVID at the border is a priority for the Government, these enhancements are another set of tools in the toolbox to ensure that returnees stay in facilities and limit risks in our community.
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Ginny Andersen: What feedback has she received from returnees who have been through the managed isolation and quarantine system?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: I have received a range of feedback from returnees about their time spent in managed isolation. One returning New Zealander spoke positively about how they felt thankful to be a New Zealander when they entered a system that was well organised and had fantastic processes in place. They also spoke positively of staff and how well they were looked after during their stay. Another returning couple spoke about how their stay was made as bearable as possible and how their needs were met swiftly and helpfully. They were complimentary of the staff, who cared for them so well. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our hard-working managed isolation and quarantine facilities staff for doing their utmost to protect our communities from COVID-19.
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Question No. 5—Health
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5. Dr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei) to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by his statements and actions around coronavirus testing in isolation facilities?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Health): Yes, in their full context.
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Dr Shane Reti: How does he reconcile his answer to written questions that day three testing has not been compulsory in managed isolation, despite the national testing strategy requiring day three testing, and is this another hole in the border?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No, there's been no issue with the compliance with day three testing, as I've said to the member many, many times.
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Dr Shane Reti: Is day three testing compulsory in managed isolation facilities?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No, it is not, under the order. But as I've said to the member many, many times, people are doing it.
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Dr Shane Reti: How does he reconcile not testing everyone around day three, with Dr Bloomfield's comments five days ago that "if you have 14 days, plus the day three and day 12, plus … good infection prevention and control, that seems to be the best way of ensuring the lowest risk of someone leaving managed isolation who is infectious."?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Because those are the things we're doing.
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Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern: Can the Minister confirm that aside from there not having been compliance issues, if someone refuses testing, they have to stay in a managed isolation facility for longer?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes, and as I've indicated many, many times to the member opposite, people are doing their day three and day 12 tests.
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Dr Shane Reti: How, then, does he reconcile not testing everyone in managed isolation around day three, with Dr Bloomfield's June comments that "Everyone in our managed isolation facilities will be tested around day three."?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I would encourage the member not to stick to pre-scripted questions, and listen to the answers I've already given.
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Hon Dr Megan Woods: Can the Minister confirm that since 17 June, no one has left a managed isolation or quarantine facility without returning a negative day 12 test, the test most important to the protection of New Zealanders?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes, I can confirm that. I'd also note that one of the reasons the day 12 test is so important is that we have had people who have tested negative on day three that have subsequently tested negative on day 12. This virus can have quite a long incubation period.
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SPEAKER: I think the member might want to just give the last bit of his answer again.
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Sorry, positive on their second test, yeah.
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Dr Shane Reti: Are hotel isolation staff put at risk if day three testing of arrivals in managed isolation is not compulsory?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No.
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Dr Shane Reti: Have the Government's border policies been informed in any way by modelling that formally assumed day three testing was compulsory, when we now know it is not?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I'm not entirely sure what the thrust of the member's question is. As I've said, day three testing is happening.
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Hon Dr Megan Woods: Can the Minister confirm that staff at managed isolation facilities are not put at risk, because within our managed isolation facilities, we behave as if everybody has COVID, and there are strict protocols in place to protect both returnees and staff, and that is why we've had 40,000 people through these facilities and one positive case in a staff member?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes, I can confirm that, and I can also say that I visited several of these facilities myself and saw firsthand the great lengths that the people working in them are going to to keep themselves and the people who are staying there safe.
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Dr Shane Reti: Given that answer, was the maintenance man at the Rydges shown on CCTV to be wearing a mask?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: My understanding is that they haven't yet been able to identify exact footage of the lift trip in question.
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Dr Shane Reti: Does he agree that New Zealanders believe and have been reassured that testing of all arrivals into managed isolation occurs around day three?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I've just given those answers. People are being tested at day three and day 12. There is no issue with compliance.
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Question No. 6—Prime Minister
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6. Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Leader of the Opposition) to the Prime Minister: Does she have confidence in the testing and managed isolation protocols for people coming into New Zealand, and is she confident that all MIQ and border-facing workers are now being regularly tested?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister): Yes, and yes. The Government has continuously worked to strengthen our border measures to ensure we minimise the risk of COVID-19 to New Zealand, including daily health checks, personal protective equipment usage, appropriate cleaning, and social distancing. In fact, for managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) workers, those protocols and training go even further to include, for instance, the washing of clothes and the way that they should behave on return home at the end of each day. In terms of testing, the most recent sweep of border and MIQ staff has been completed; a second sweep has now begun. We have used orders to mandate this testing, but in future we'll have a regular rotation of testing with greater regularity for those at the highest risk working at our borders.
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Hon Judith Collins: So how regularly does she expect the highest priority border-facing staff who were tested for COVID-19 last week to be tested in future?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: At the moment, we're going through a blanket second wave, but, at the same time, we've asked the Ministry of Health to work through a protocol, a matrix, which prioritises more regular testing for those staff who are more front-facing and at higher risk. To give the member a bit of an insight—for instance, at our borders, those at Auckland Airport who are considered to be at higher risk because they are more passenger- and crew-facing are approximately 280 staff. We'll, again, need to identify that with agencies at the ports, and those staff will have a higher frequency of testing than others. That's the work that the Ministry of Health is undertaking, and we expect to be supported by the team that are helping support the roll-out of our testing strategy.
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Hon Judith Collins: Is weekly testing of border-facing staff now occurring?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: As I've just outlined, we've already had a sweep of all staff. We're going through the next two weeks, we'll have another sweep of staff, and, in that time frame, the Ministry of Health is working up a matrix of the most at-risk staff being regularly tested. I expect that will be on a rotation that is regular, in the order of weekly.
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Hon Dr Nick Smith: How many days?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: But, again, it will depend on whether or not those staff are front-facing or not.
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SPEAKER: I'm sorry, before the member continues—if Dr Nick Smith wants to have a question, he should stand up and call; he shouldn't take it from his seat.
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Hon Judith Collins: Will stevedores who board ships and who were tested for the first time last week be tested next week and on a weekly basis in future?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I see that those port workers are part of our next sweep. And, again, we're asking Health to work up the matrix of the frequency of testing across ports, across airports, across all sectors. What I would add, because it is slightly misleading: again, as we have always said, testing is not sufficient on its own. We have a maritime order in place, for instance, that dictates how those international freight crew must behave when they are at our ports—that includes not being able to move beyond the port side if they have not returned a negative test. They also have to have been at sea for a period of 14 days; we did have a longer period, but we added testing into that regime. They also must practise social distancing to make sure that we maintain safety for port workers, and, of course, we have a regime around surveillance testing.
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Hon Judith Collins: Well, would it concern her if ports that tested priority border-facing staff last week have not yet scheduled a second round of testing?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I'm not sure what the member means by "scheduled". We, of course, have made sure that we have—
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Hon Louise Upston: They have an appointment.
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: The idea of every single worker having an appointment—we put them on site so workers can flow through. That is the best way that we can make sure—for instance, at MIQ we put them at the worksite. We've been working on making sure we capture change of shift so it can be done within work hours quickly and easily. For the border, the airport staff, we've put them on site from July. On 10 July, 16 July we had pop-ups on site so that we weren't relying on people having to make journeys away from their place of work to be tested. At the port, I expect we make it as easy as possible also.
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Hon Judith Collins: Does it, then, concern her that a crew member of the Bahamas-registered cargo ship the Charles Island, currently moored in Tauranga Harbour, having travelled here from Mexico, flew into New Zealand from Belgium three days ago, spent just one night in Auckland's Novotel, and was then driven two hours to the vessel by a privately contracted van driver and was allowed to board without being tested?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: There are protocols in place that allow port workers—because, essentially, freight would not be able to move internationally if international freight companies were not able to access their staff. So that has been an issue globally. We, essentially, wouldn't have international freight coming into our ports if they were unable to access staff. So there are protocols around whether or not individuals in those circumstances can have any contact outside of being immediately on vessels or immediately departing from vessels and going home.
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Hon Judith Collins: So should stevedores or other priority border-facing staff working at the port of Tauranga be socially distancing themselves from a crew member of the Charles Island who just flew in from Belgium, where there are currently over 8,000 cases of COVID-19; if so, how will they identify him?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I wouldn't want to speak to an individual case without having details, but what I would refer the member to are maritime orders in place that have been in place for some time to supplement the other surveillance testing we have, because, as the member will well know, we need to treat ports in the same way we do airports. We need to make sure that we keep people at a distance and operating in a way that's as safe as possible, keeping in mind their work conditions given the circumstances of international travel.
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Hon Judith Collins: Is there any requirement for ships' replacement crew members flying into New Zealand to be tested for COVID-19 at any port before boarding their vessels?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I wouldn't want to speak in too much detail without reminding myself of the specific arrangements, but I do recall that, for departing individuals, they do have the ability to depart directly. And, again, much of this hinges on the ability of New Zealand to keep freight moving, but these protocols have been worked up carefully to ensure that we can ensure that there is access still to freight for our exporters and importers, but also to do it safely. Again, I would remind the member that the idea of this—simply, this is an individual who has to depart directly; they cannot be outside of the port and have contact with anyone else.
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Question No. 7—Education
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7. KIERAN McANULTY (Labour) to the Minister of Education: What action is the Government taking to support distance learning while Auckland is at alert level 3?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): I can report that the Ministry of Education is making strong progress in getting support to schools and to students. For instance, in the area of hardcopy packs of materials for different year levels, over 16,000 packs of materials in the English language have been dispatched to schools and students while over 2,500 packs in Māori language have been dispatched to schools and students so far.
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Kieran McAnulty: What progress has been made with digital devices?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: As I told the House last week, the Government's committed further funding to enhance distance learning support for schools, particularly focused on Auckland's secondary school students. The Ministry of Education is using this, firstly, to meet the unmet demand of students in year 9 and above in secondary schools in Auckland: 3,281 devices have now been sent to Auckland secondary schools and kura from this second wave of funding, and the Ministry of Education is currently confirming the final demand for Auckland secondary schools, and these orders are being placed right now.
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Kieran McAnulty: Is Home Learning TV also making a contribution to connecting with Auckland students?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes, definitely; we've had great feedback about it. Auckland viewership of Home Learning TV remains reasonably consistent with the previous lockdown. For the week of 17 to 24 August, Home Learning TV had an Auckland viewership of 128,000 viewers.
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Question No. 8—Minister of Research, Science and Innovation
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8. Dr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei) to the Minister of Research, Science and Innovation: What are the latest waste-water testing results for coronavirus in Auckland?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Research, Science and Innovation): Waste-water testing is taking place as part of a research project led by Environmental Science and Research (ESR), with funding from the COVID innovation fund that I established in early April. Positive results for viral RNA have been received from four of the five collection points in Auckland. The latest results are the Jet Park Hotel, with strong, positive results on 18 August, which is to be expected, given it is our quarantine facility; the Southern Interceptor, where waste water from the Jet Park Hotel mixes with waste water from 100,000 households, a positive result on 18 August; the Central Interceptor, a weak positive result on 17 August; the Rosedale Interceptor, a weak positive result on 13 August. There have been no positive results from the Western Interceptor collection point. These results correspond with what we know about the location of cases across Auckland. These results tell us that there is COVID-19 in these areas but do not give us precise information about the number of people infected or the stage of infection. One-off testing was also carried out in Christchurch and Queenstown in early August, returning negative results. This is another useful tool that can help us in the fight against COVID-19, and I look forward to providing further updates as the research project progresses.
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Dr Shane Reti: When was the first positive test in sewage outflow testing in Auckland?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: The Jet Park Hotel started weekly testing on 12 July. As you would expect, given this is the facility where we house people who are COVID-positive, that would have started in early July. One of the reasons why ESR, with the research money they have, is concentrating the efforts around testing of the Jet Park Hotel, and the interceptor associated with the Jet Park Hotel, is because we have such low levels of COVID in New Zealand, getting the sensitivity of the test is proving a challenge. So the first test would have been in early July.
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Dr Shane Reti: How does she reconcile that answer with written questions received last week saying that weekly testing at Jet Park had been negative?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: My understanding is that there has been a correction to the written question from the Minister of Health that was put through today, that the question did say that it had been daily, since the beginning of July, at Jet Park, returning negative results—that has been corrected to say "usually return positive results as expected". This was put down to an administrative error.
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Dr Shane Reti: How many managed isolation facilities are linked to the Southern Interceptor, and has upstream testing occurred with the Southern Interceptor?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: As I went through in my primary answer, as well as the Southern Interceptor, we're also doing the Central Interceptor, the Rosedale Interceptor, and the Western Interceptor points, as well. In terms of the number of facilities that connect to the Southern Interceptor, I'd ask the member to put that in writing to me, but it will be several—but I'd like to get the precise details in a written question.
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Dr Shane Reti: Has upstream testing occurred with all the sites that she's identified here today so that we can further localise where the positive tests may come from?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: I went through the number of interceptors across Auckland that we are looking at—the Southern, the Central, the Rosedale, and the Western Interceptor. So we are doing a broad sweep across Auckland to be able to identify where cases are. In terms of whether they technically qualify as upstream, I'll need to look at that, but we are looking broadly across Auckland. The patterns where we have seen it emerge fit with where we are seeing positive tests come from, and the fact that we are seeing negative results from the Western Interceptor also fits firmly with the pattern of positive cases we are seeing.
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Dr Shane Reti: Was there an increasing trend in positive coronavirus tests in waste water, leading up to the start of the current outbreak?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: Not that I am aware of. As I said, one of the most important things from why we instituted it at the Jet Park Hotel is actually around method development, because this is a place that is quite unique in New Zealand, in that we know there is coronavirus there; obviously, we didn't have the ability to do any sensitivity testing in other parts of New Zealand while we were coronavirus free. So it was really important that we were using our quarantine facility waste water to do this. The fact that there have been reasonably consistent results from the Jet Park Hotel is because we consistently move COVID-positive patients there.
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Dr Shane Reti: Apart from the Jet Park, was there an increasing trend in coronavirus in waste water in Auckland leading up to the current outbreak?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: Not that I'm aware of, no.
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Question No. 9—Finance
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9. Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) to the Minister of Finance: What advice, if any, has he received from the Treasury on potential job losses and other economic consequences for families and businesses from the return to stricter lockdown levels in response to the latest community outbreak, and for the lockdown extension announced yesterday?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I've received a range of advice from Treasury on the fiscal and economic impacts of this global pandemic and, indeed, the Government's strategy to respond to it. This continues to support the view that the best economic response is a strong public health response. Treasury's assessment of the latest alert level decision includes looking at the Government's approach through the wellbeing approach and Living Standards Framework. This is important because the Government can not only take a narrow, short-term view on these significant decisions which impact New Zealanders' lives and livelihoods. Our approach is to take a balanced decision which incorporates all advice, including from health experts, and which incorporates the potential medium- and long-term implications of the decisions we make. On this specific resurgence of the virus, Treasury's estimate is that the impact on GDP is $500 million per week. This fits within the range of other economic forecasters who have estimated this to be between $300 million and $600 million per week. The number of jobs affected by the current resurgence is difficult to forecast given that these are specific business decisions that will take into account the impact of wage subsidies, other Government support, and how quickly we move back down the alert levels.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: What analysis, if any, has he had done on the impact of the current lockdowns and their extensions on workers, business owners, and their families, both financially and in terms of mental health?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Well, I've given the member some detail of the financial impact. When it comes to mental health, that is an ongoing piece of work undertaken by the Ministry of Health. If the member wants further details on those questions, he'd be best to put that down to the Minister of Health.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: What's his response to Adrian Evans, owner of Auckland barber shop The Gentry, who told TVNZ's Breakfast, "The second lockdown, however, has had a much deeper impact on, not only financially but also on the team's wairua—you know, the mental health aspect. I'm not saying anyone's calling up the helplines or anything, but there's a lot more chat amongst my guys on the team. So that's certainly an aspect. If we go to another level 3 again, that'll be fatal, I reckon."?
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SPEAKER: There's no ministerial responsibility for that for this Minister.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: The Minister, as Minister of Finance—talking to the point of order—is responsible for the economic consequences of the lockdown. And this is in relation to the broader wellbeing responses to the lockdown. We've just had a Wellbeing Budget and we haven't defined economics and strictly sort of dollars and cents but a broader wellbeing. I don't know why you've taken such a narrow view of responsibilities for consequences.
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SPEAKER: Well, I'm not responsible for you not understanding that.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: All right. Thank you very much. That's very kind of you, Mr Speaker. Has he specifically asked for any analysis from Treasury on the impact of these lockdowns on workers, on business owners, and their families, both financially and in terms of mental health?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: As I indicated in my answer, one of the lenses through which Treasury are looking at this is in the context of the wellbeing framework, and I thank the member for his endorsement of the importance of that broader approach. So the Treasury are looking at it in that context, and clearly, when it comes to specific matters around the mental health response, as I said in my primary answer, that is a matter for the Minister of Health.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: So what does the analysis show?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: As, again, I said in my primary answer, what it shows is that the best economic response is a strong public health response. That is a matter that on this side of the House, we have been utterly consistent on from day one.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: Well, if, indeed, that is the case that "the best economic response [to this pandemic] is a strong public health response.", why did his Government not regularly test everyone who worked at the border or in quarantine facilities?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Well, as the member knows, that matter has been traversed at length, both in this House and outside of this House. What we do know is that nearly 40,000 people have been through our managed isolation facilities and we have had one case which is not linked to the current community outbreak. What we also know is that the approach that the Government has taken has meant that our economy was back up and running in June, July, and the first 12 days of August in a way that few other countries were able, enabling a strong economic recovery. That is because of the strong public health response.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: What responsibility, if any, does the Government take for the severe economic damage caused by having to return to lockdown and to extend it?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: As has been covered in an earlier answer by the Minister of Health, this is a virus; it is a tricky virus. When you compare New Zealand's response to the rest of the world, you will see that New Zealand's response—which was strong, which was decisive, and which happened early—allowed the New Zealand economy to get back going again in a way that other countries have not been able to do.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: So—
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SPEAKER: No, no, the member's run out of supplementary questions.
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Question No. 10—Māori Development
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10. PAUL EAGLE (Labour—Rongotai) to the Minister for Māori Development: What reports has she received regarding a targeted response to support Māori communities and iwi to implement a resurgence plan in light of the most recent community transmission cluster impacting South Auckland?
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Hon NANAIA MAHUTA (Minister for Māori Development): I receive multiple reports weekly from Te Puni Kōkiri regional teams who are working alongside Māori communities and iwi to implement a resurgence plan across the motu. While there are regional variances, we know that Māori make up approximately 16 percent of the South Auckland population. Specifically on the ground in South Auckland, we know that the key issues being reported across Tāmaki-makau-rau concern job losses, a change in household income to pay bills and get necessities, non - COVID-19 health and welfare needs, access to kai and personal care items, provision of masks, education, and social and mental health issues. In conjunction with the Government's COVID support package, Whānau Ora commissioning agencies, iwi in the Tāmaki collective, Māori health and social service providers are all contributing to a response across Tāmaki-makau-rau. During this resurgence phase, it's becoming increasingly evident that a joined-up effort of Māori and Pacific health providers is necessary to ensure their communities have access to the necessary health and welfare supports to help whānau get through this phase of resurgence of COVID-19.
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Paul Eagle: What actions have been taken to support a resurgence plan in Māori communities?
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Hon NANAIA MAHUTA: Since the resurgence began, Government funding through Te Puni Kōkiri has enabled Whānau Ora commissioning agencies to provide 8,488 support packages, and supported over 22,500 whānau members nationwide. Our marae are also contributing to a collective response. They too have mobilised quickly to broker support for whānau to access employment, health, and welfare support. Take, for example, Ngātiwai and Ngāti Rehua, who are working with 18 marae to broker support for 1,400 whānau; Te Mahurehure marae, who is assisting more than 3,000 whānau of Te Tai Tokerau and Te Hiku living in Tāmaki-makau-rau; Papatūānuku Kōkiri Marae, who are providing care packages to whānau in their South Auckland community; Waikato-Tainui, who are working with Te Puea marae, Makaurau, Pūkaki, Umupuia, Nga Hau E Wha, and Whatapaka Marae, all in the Auckland area, to deliver essential packs to those marae communities. There's still more work to do; however, it's evident that a collective effort at all levels will ensure communities have access to the necessary health and welfare support so that whānau get the help they need.
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Paul Eagle: What other feedback has she received in relation to the longer-term aspects of a health and welfare response targeted at Māori communities?
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Hon NANAIA MAHUTA: Like many New Zealanders, Māori communities are not sure how long this uncertainty will continue. Online engagements with iwi and health professionals have indicated that it is important for iwi to participate in the economic recovery in key priority areas signalled by the Government, such as housing, skills training, and bespoke infrastructure opportunities. On the health front, I have received feedback that there remains anxiety about the multiple health vulnerabilities in Māori and Pasifika communities, which, in a COVID-19 resurgence context, requires the collection of robust data sets. This will enable and inform future planning and refinement of a targeted health response, and can be consistently implemented across DHBs, and inform a consistent approach to surveillance testing for Māori and Pasifika whānau. This feedback has been passed on to Associate Minister of Health Minister Henare who regularly meets with clinical professionals in the Māori health sector.
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House): I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I note that today, as with the two days that the Parliament sat last week, there are fewer than 12 primary questions on the question sheet. You may be aware that the Government has been publicly criticised for not being subject to sufficient parliamentary scrutiny. I wonder if you could confirm for me that you have not ruled out any primary questions that have been lodged by the Opposition.
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National): I can understand the Leader of the House's being a little perplexed by the fact that the Opposition have lodged less than the number of questions that they could in a primary sense—
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE: Fewer—fewer. Thank you, Mr Speaker. That's very good of you. That's why our questions are always so beautifully presented, due to your overview and advice. But what needs to be understood is that while—
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SPEAKER: The member's risking misleading the House if he continues down that road.
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE: That would take a certain amount of self-admission, Mr Speaker, which I'm relying won't be coming forth. Might I just get back on the point here: we have lodged less than the number of questions that we could lodge, only by about one. [Interruption] OK. Would you like to say it for me, Mr Speaker? Would that make you feel better?
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE: No, I just want to make the point—
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE: I want to make the point that we are limited by the number of supplementary questions that we're able to ask, and that by asking one less—
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Hon Members: Fewer!
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Hon GERRY BROWNLEE: —primary question, we have more supplementaries available to us, and the questions that we have asked have been constructed in a way that they would require a larger number of supplementaries to extract some kind of answer out of the Government.
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Hon Chris Hipkins: Speaking to the point of order, Mr Speaker.
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SPEAKER: I feel like the original point of order was not a point of order at all, and I don't want to test my patience any further with additional comments—
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Hon Member: Is he meant to sit down?
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SPEAKER: —yes, that's exactly right; the member will sit down—that stretch my patience further than he has already stretched it with the aid of the shadow Leader of the House.
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David Seymour: Point of order.
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SPEAKER: No, I'm going to deal with this one first.
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David Seymour: Oh, well, speaking to it.
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SPEAKER: No, you can't, because I'm going to deal with it. The answer is that the number of questions that are submitted by the Opposition is a matter for them, and details of what happens in my office with regard to ruling them out is not something for traversing here. That concludes oral questions—
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DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.
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SPEAKER: I'm finding it very hard to work out what point of order is available to the member now. It's only because I was slack with the Leader of the House that I'll let the member raise one.
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DAVID SEYMOUR: I seek leave, in the spirit of helpfulness, for ACT to be granted an additional primary question and five supplementaries tomorrow to make up the shortfall the Leader of the House complained about.
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SPEAKER: Order! Order! I'm taking that as facetious. The member has been getting plenty of extra questions, including today, from his friend Jami-Lee Ross. In accordance with a determination of the Business Committee, the House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. tomorrow.
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TUESDAY, 1 SEPTEMBER 2020
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The Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.
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PRAYERS
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SPEAKER: Mālō e lelei. Because it's Tongan Language Week later this week, I've asked Anahila Kanongata'a-Suisuiki to say the prayer for us today in Tongan.
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ANAHILA KANONGATA'A-SUISUIKI (Labour): Mālō e lelei. Ke tau lotu. 'E 'Otua Mafimafi, kuo mau tā'imālie 'i ho'o 'ofá. 'Oku tuku homau lotó ka mau hū atu ke ke malu'i mu'a 'a e Kuiní mo tataki 'emau fua fatongia 'i Fale Aleá 'aki 'a e poto faka-e-'Otua, 'ofá pea mo e 'ulungaanga malú ko e 'uhí ko e mo'uí pea mo e melino 'a e fonuá. 'Oku mau kole 'a e ngaahi me'á ni 'i he huafa 'o Sisu Kalaisi ko homau fakamo'uí ka ko ho'o 'aló. 'Emeni.
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PRIVILEGE
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Misrepresentation—Reply to a Written Question
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SPEAKER: Members, I have received a letter from the Hon Chris Hipkins raising with me a matter of privilege: the alteration and misrepresentation of a reply to a written question posted by the National Party on social media. The content altered a reply purporting to be from the Minister of Health and is, on the face of it, misleading. In normal circumstances I would be inclined to find that a question of privilege is involved and refer the matter to the Privileges Committee. The post purports to be authorised by the Leader of the Opposition, although she has assured me that she did not see it before publication. The general manager of the New Zealand National Party has taken responsibility for it. The post involved the manufacture of fake ministerial letterhead to lend authenticity to the misrepresentation. However, the Leader of the Opposition has apologised, I have been assured that the material has been removed from social media, and in light of the impending dissolution of Parliament I do not intend to take any further action.
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TABLING OF DOCUMENTS
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Pledge on Family Violence—Ken Clearwater, Vic Tamati, and Tim Marshall
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Hon POTO WILLIAMS (Labour—Christchurch East): I seek leave to table a pledge made by Mr Ken Clearwater, Vic Tamati, and Tim Marshall, declaring Aotearoa New Zealand the family violence - free sanctuary of the world and "in partnership with SafeMan SafeFamily we will achieve this with a strategic cross-party plan aimed at making Aotearoa New Zealand Human Predator Free by 2050."
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SPEAKER: Is there any objection to that? It is so tabled.
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Document, by leave, laid on the Table of the House.
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ORAL QUESTIONS
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QUESTIONS TO MINISTERSQuestion No. 1—Prime Minister
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1. Hon JUDITH COLLINS (Leader of the Opposition) to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by her statement that "if we were going to do something so significant as asking hundreds of thousands of people to be tested … we would not leave a message as significant as that to a website, to a Twitter account or Instagram", and that only Ministers should be relied upon to deliver "significant" COVID-19 updates?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister): That wasn't quite the statement that I made. In a stand-up I was asked several questions about the testing message. My full response was, "You'll find that what we've said has been utterly consistent, and I can assure you that if we were going to do something so significant as ask hundreds of thousands of people to be tested, you would hear that from us and not from a Twitter post or an Instagram post or from a website. We would be sharing that information. And actually what I think is key here, you've heard utterly consistent messaging from the Director-General of Health, from all the Ministers who have taken to the podium." I stand by those statements. My point, of course, was that while we will, of course, not be the only source of information, if it was such a significant ask as to have hundreds and thousands of people requested to be tested, that is, of course, a message that we would have been sure to amplify and not leave to social media.
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Hon Judith Collins: Is she saying that the New Zealand public cannot and should not rely upon the messages put on the official Government Unite Against COVID-19 websites, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram accounts?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: No. As I said in my primary answer, my point was that of course there is more than one source of information, but if it were a message as important and as significant as an expectation to test hundreds of thousands of people in that way, that is something that we would not leave to a website or an Instagram or a Twitter post. It would be something that we would amplify if that was the advice of the Director-General of Health and something that Health wished to have as a message and request of the public.
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Hon Judith Collins: So how many Government staff are currently working on communications for the all-of-Government response COVID-19 websites and social media accounts?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: If the member wished to have an exact number in that regard, she would know to put that in writing or as a primary question. I can tell the member that, of course, the all-of-Government group and the Ministry of Health, as you would expect, are looking into what exactly occurred in order to allow incorrect information of this nature to have been made available to the public.
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Hon Judith Collins: Why did it take her Government nearly four days to react and remove information it had published on its official COVID-19 social media accounts, asking everyone in South and West Auckland to get a COVID-19 test?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: As I've just said, the all-of-Government group in the Ministry of Health are looking into precisely what has occurred in this situation. As I said at the time, as soon as I was made aware of it, I directly alerted my team, who directly alerted the team who are responsible. That was on Sunday morning and, of course, it was removed that day. As I know all members in this House wish for members of the public to have information that is accurate and reliable, again I always implore all members, regardless of the side of the House that you're on, to continue to share messaging around getting tested, particularly for those who have cold symptoms or flu symptoms or are in any way associated with the sites or cases we're currently dealing with. Those are the individuals I seek the support of all members of this House to encourage to be tested.
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Hon Judith Collins: Why was the same incorrect information asking everyone in South and West Auckland to be tested that had been posted on the official Government Unite Against COVID-19 accounts then posted on the Ministry of Health website on Friday?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Actually, I believe it might have actually been on the Ministry of Health website first, and, as I have said, the Ministry of Health and the all-of-Government group are currently looking into exactly what happened here. I think the important point to make here is this obviously was never the official advice of the director-general or obviously advice that ever came to Government or a decision that was ever made—something of that nature, you can imagine that we would have been amplifying. Again, you would have heard, I believe—25 August, I believe, it was from memory. [Interruption] The Minister of Health was very—
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SPEAKER: Order! Order! No, I am going to ask both the deputy leader of the National Party and the Minister of Finance to be quiet. Invitations of the sort that were made, in my experience, lead to trouble.
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: It was, I believe, on 25 August—so, prior to that incorrect information being posted on that website—that the Minister of Health talked about the work that was being done to achieve 70,000 tests over a seven-day period, to make sure that we did have some asymptomatic surveillance but that we were primarily targeting those with cold and flu symptoms, and, of course, those associated with the cluster we had. That advice was shared alongside the director-general just the day before the unfortunately incorrect advice was posted by the ministry.
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Hon Judith Collins: If she was so "incredibly angry" about the incorrect messaging on the official Unite Against COVID-19 social media platforms, why didn't she use her 16-minute preamble at the press briefing on Sunday to correct the record, and instead waited until she was asked questions about it from journalists?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I knew in the 45-50 minutes that I often spend in those stand-ups that certainly I would have the opportunity to correct that. Look, whether I included it in the preamble or otherwise, I knew that opportunity to correct that information would be provided. What I chose instead to do was use the preamble to share the correct advice and the correct information, which—again—is that with cold and flu symptoms, we want people to be tested—
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Hon Dr Nick Smith: You should have been upfront.
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SPEAKER: Order!
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: —and anyone associated with any of the sites or contacts within our current outbreak, and I really would appreciate the support of all members in continuing to share that information and advice.
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Hon Judith Collins: If she was so "incredibly angry" about the incorrect messaging on the official Unite Against COVID-19 social media platforms, why is it that, despite making it clear on Sunday morning that the messaging needed to be fixed, it was still up on social media platforms at the time of her Sunday press conference, and media outlets such as the New Zealand Herald received no formal correction notice from her officials?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I wouldn't necessarily expect a correction notice to be given to individuals around a corrected Instagram or Twitter update. I expect instead just the correct information to be posted. I understand that the post was taken down at 1.37 p.m.
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Hon Judith Collins: Does she stand by her statement on Sunday that "We are not asking every single person in west and south Auckland to get a test. That is not our ask … It's wrong. It was oversimplified, and we're working very hard now to deal with what that's created with the community."; if so, why didn't she start her press conference on Sunday saying exactly that?
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Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, the suggestion, somehow, that we weren't willing to acknowledge the incorrect posting of information. We are constantly available, every day, to answer questions about our COVID response. We're here to be accountable on our COVID response. We never shy away from that duty. If the member somehow has an assumption that because I wanted to share correct information in my stand-up, as opposed to incorrect information, that is for the member's own interpretation. But I simply do not accept that we would ever put ourselves in a position to not front up, because we do it every day.
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Question No. 2—Health
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2. Dr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei) to the Minister of Health: How many adults eligible for day-three testing in managed isolation have not been tested at day three from 8 June?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Health): For those that arrived in New Zealand between 18 July and 24 August, a day three test was recorded for 95 percent of those people. There are a number of reasons why someone might not be tested or have a test recorded, including them being an infant under six months old; people with physical or other needs that mean they cannot undergo a nasopharyngeal test; maritime workers who are arriving by air who are transferred directly to a ship; transit passengers who only remain in New Zealand for a short period of time; those with no national health number when they arrive, and so they are tested but their test is not recorded in the database; and, of course, those who refuse. It's important to remember that returnees are required to return a negative day 12 test before they can leave managed isolation otherwise they'll be required to stay longer—
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Hon Dr Nick Smith: Not answering the question.
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: —to manage any potential public health risk.
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SPEAKER: Order! The Hon Nick Smith will stand, withdraw, and apologise. He's on his final warning for that interjection.
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Hon Dr Nick Smith: I withdraw and apologise.
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: In terms of the data prior to 18 July, officials are currently working to reconcile all arrivals from 10 April so that they will be added to the testing database.
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Dr Shane Reti: Is he saying, then, that he cannot tell us how many eligible adults were not tested in managed isolation at day three over the six-week period from 8 June to 18 July?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes, I am saying that. That information was not recorded in a central database until the beginning of August, and they've been working their way backwards and they've got as far back as 18 July.
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Dr Shane Reti: Are ministry statements correct that not only is day three testing not compulsory but the majority of day three tests are not even done at day three but days later, sometimes as late as day six and day 10?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No, the Government's requirement is on or around day three or on or around day 12. Sometimes there are reasons why it might be day four or day five. There are sometimes good reasons why it might be on a different day, but the fact is, people have two tests. Now, one of the things that the public can take confidence in is that we have been looking, overall, at the number of day three tests and the number of day 12 tests and we've seen a good steady number of tests happening during that time. The thing that the database is doing is making sure that those test results are matched to an individual person. That doesn't mean they haven't been happening; it just means that they haven't been happening in the way that allows us to report in the way that the member is asking us to.
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Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern: Can the Minister also confirm that, alongside a testing regime, we also operate a regime of health screening so those who arrive and are symptomatic are put in, for instance, if they are an Auckland arrival, the Jet Park Hotel straight away, which will also alter the day three testing numbers?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes, those who are symptomatic when they arrive are moved directly to quarantine and are provided with additional support there. Even outside of the day three and day 12 testing, for those in managed isolation there are other health checks that take place, and if anybody starts showing symptoms at any time during their stay in managed isolation, then they can be tested.
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Dr Shane Reti: Does delayed day three testing increase exposure to unknown positives and increase the chances of a false negative?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No, because everybody who is in managed isolation is treated as if they have COVID-19. So they are in a level 4 - like environment.
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Hon Dr Megan Woods: Can the Minister confirm that we have had no community outbreak within our managed isolation facilities to date, which shows the way in which we are managing these facilities and treating everyone as if they could have COVID is our strongest line of defence?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: It is absolutely correct to say that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that COVID-19 has escaped from a managed isolation or a quarantine facility.
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Dr Shane Reti: Is it correct that from the start of the isolation strategy on 8 June at least two people have been at such a high risk for coronavirus that on arriving in New Zealand they've gone straight to quarantine and immediately had an early day three test, which returned positive?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I'm advised by the Minister responsible there that it would be more than that. People who show symptoms are often tested straight away, and, of course, as the Prime Minister and I have both just pointed out, they go straight into quarantine when they get here.
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Question No. 3—Finance
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3. GREG O'CONNOR (Labour—Ōhāriu) to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy in the context of the global COVID-19 pandemic?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): Last week, Stats NZ released its latest merchandise trade data for July, showing the continued strength of New Zealand's exports. Goods exports rose by $1.3 billion to $60.2 billion in the July year, up 2 percent on 2019. The increase was led by dairy, up 10.9 percent; meat, up 9.4 percent; and wine, up 6.4 percent. This growth occurred across various markets as well, with exports to China up 6.8 percent, the US up 6.1 percent, and Japan up 2.2 percent. As imports fell to $60.3 billion, the annual trade deficit of $115 million was the smallest since the October 2014 year. This impressive data demonstrates the ongoing strength of our exporters, despite the global impacts of COVID-19, and this is helping to drive our economic recovery. Their success is helping to provide jobs and help the country grow out of the COVID crisis.
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Greg O'Connor: What reports has he seen on the performance of small businesses in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Yesterday, Xero released its latest Small Business Insights for July, showing further signs of recovery across much of the small business sector. Although overall small business revenue was down slightly on July 2019, revenue in the manufacturing industry rose 13 percent, hospitality 6 percent, and retail by 6 percent. Small business employment continued to rise during the month, up 0.8 percent to be just 1.7 percent below COVID levels. Small business job numbers recovered 3 percent since their low point in April. This is further data that underlines the benefits for small business of New Zealand quickly getting on top of COVID-19 and opening up the economy more freely. With the latest outbreak in Auckland, I would emphasise the point made by Craig Hudson, Xero's managing director for New Zealand and the Pacific Islands, when he said, "it remains imperative to our nation's economic recovery that those who can shop locally and pay their bills on time, in order to support their local community and [its] business within it. Keeping money circulating in our economy will help to keep more people employed and more shop fronts open for longer."
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Greg O'Connor: What reports has he seen showing the resilience of the New Zealand economy in the face of the COVID-19 pandemic?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: We're seeing positive signs about how robust the New Zealand economy has been through, for example, the wage subsidy. The wage subsidy extension began ending on 5 August. Between 5 August and 21 August, the majority of wage subsidy extension recipients completed their eight weeks of support. This represented 93,643 businesses, covering 325,426 jobs. On Friday, the Ministry of Social Development released the COVID income payment and jobseeker data covering that same period. Between 31 July and 21 August, jobseeker recipient numbers rose by 3,007, and COVID income relief payment recipients rose by 3,096. So with 325,426 jobs coming off the wage subsidy between 5 August and 21 August, only 6,103 went on to Government assistance over that same time. It is a tough time for those people who have lost their jobs, but the numbers bear out the importance of the investments that we have made to support households and businesses through the wage subsidy scheme.
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David Seymour: Is the Minister aware of at least 45 businesses previously affected by City Rail Link developments who are now ineligible for the resurgence subsidy because they were delayed in getting the earlier subsidies by the effects of the City Rail Link on their business, and, if he is, what can he do about it?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: In terms of the way that the wage subsidy payments work, if you're in receipt of one of them—for example, the extension—you can't be in receipt of another one, the resurgence, at the same time.
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David Seymour: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My question was about his awareness of a specific subgroup of businesses. Now, he's restated what the rules are; we all know that. It didn't address the question I asked about the specific instance and his awareness of it, or what he'd do about it.
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SPEAKER: Well, I think there's a requirement to answer one part of the question. While the member might not be satisfied with the answer to the second part of the question, I think it was addressed.
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David Seymour: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I can't agree that it was addressed. You know, at what part did he address it?
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SPEAKER: I mean, as I've indicated, it's not for me to indicate satisfaction with the answer, either the first part, which was not addressed, or the second part, which was addressed in a slightly roundabout manner. But in my opinion the Minister of Finance did address it.
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David Seymour: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.
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SPEAKER: I just want to make it clear that the member has now twice, in a way which is out of order, disagreed with me. I hope that he's not going to do it again. It would be an unfortunate end to the Parliament.
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David Seymour: I would never do that. I just wondered if you might consider granting the Minister an opportunity to further address what he started.
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SPEAKER: Well, the Minister, if he wants to take an opportunity, is absolutely able to do it, and, unlike the member, he knows how to do it.
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Question No. 4—Health
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4. Dr SHANE RETI (National—Whangarei) to the Minister of Health: What was the testing capacity for coronavirus tests in Auckland immediately prior to the current spike from 8 August to 11 August inclusive, and how many tests were done in Auckland on each of those four days?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Health): The national capacity of the labs that serviced the Auckland region DHBs from 8 August to 11 August inclusive was an average of 11,841 tests per day, with a high of 12,744 on both 10 and 11 August. The combined number of tests completed across the three Auckland DHBs for each of these three days was 1,696 on 8 August, 925 on 9 August, 1,054 on 10 August, and 1,994 on 11 August. I would note that those dates include a weekend, when we do see lower testing numbers. The testing capacity has always been there, and it's been able to scale up quickly to meet demand. So, since 12 August, more than 9,400 people on average have been tested per day.
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Dr Shane Reti: How does he explain answers to written questions that suggest the index case sample that started the current spike was received by the laboratory at 21.41 on Monday, 10 August and then took 18 hours to report a positive result the following Tuesday afternoon; and did that 18 hours cause a delay for how quickly contact tracing could be started?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I'm not familiar with those exact numbers, but no, I don't believe there was a delay. So I'd have to go back and double-check that.
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Dr Shane Reti: Would health officials have been more successful at containing the latest outbreak and minimising the lockdown if reporting of the index case lab test, which normally takes around 3½ hours, had occurred on the day the sample arrived at the lab and not reported 18 hours later?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Not necessarily.
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Dr Shane Reti: Does he believe that 18 hours is an acceptable delay for a positive coronavirus test to be processed once it arrives at the lab, given that every hour a positive case goes undetected the risk in the community increases?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: It would depend on the number of test results being processed at the lab. Given the number of test results in question there, that kind of delay would be—if that's what it was, there would have to be another reason than simply there being too many test results to be processed. We did see up to a 48-hour delay during the peak, when we were getting, sort of, 20,000-plus tests per day being processed. Of course, it may have been that that test result was processed on a weekend, though.
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Dr Shane Reti: How does he explain answers to written questions which show a case in managed isolation in Auckland that same day as the index case—Monday, 10 August—where the sample was received by the laboratory at 4.51 p.m., several hours earlier than the index case, and then took 30 hours to report the positive result at 11 p.m. the next day?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: That would really be a question for the labs.
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Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern: Can he confirm that the case which was initially reported, and although not the primary cause of the outbreak—that case that was initially reported—was collected via a GP and then, of course, transported to a lab before being reported, and that, at the time of testing, there was no suggestion from the Ministry of Health that there were any delays in testing, because, of course, they were well below what is our actual testing capacity at the time?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes, and I can say that the GP test results at that point were not being prioritised in the way that, say, managed isolation test results were being processed, because there was a lower risk.
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Question No. 5—Finance
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5. Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by the quality of all the Government's spending allocated from the COVID-19 Response and Recovery Fund?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I do stand by our fiscal response to this one-in-100-year shock. The money has been allocated and invested swiftly and responsibly to support businesses and households. As is normal, all of these allocations are subject to Budget scrutiny and, in relevant cases, due diligence and further negotiations.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: Is he satisfied that adequate due diligence and judgment were applied by Ministers to the Government's decision to grant $11.7 million to the Green School?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: That grant was part of the shovel-ready $3 billion fund. In total, that fund is something that the Government is pleased will be supporting a significant number of construction jobs all around New Zealand.
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SPEAKER: No. Order! The question was not addressed.
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Can the member just repeat it?
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: Is he satisfied that adequate due diligence and judgment were applied by Ministers to the Government's decision to grant $11.7 million to the Green School?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Yes. The ongoing process of that funding being agreed to and spent is the subject of due diligence and negotiations by Crown Infrastructure Partners, as is the case with all of these projects.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: Does he think the Government's decision to make this grant demonstrates effective prioritisation of taxpayers' money?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: It is very important as we move to recover and rebuild from COVID-19 that we support our construction industry around the country. Individual projects within that have been advocated for, as is on the public record, by different Ministers. It is vital we do that. It's also vital that we support schools right across New Zealand to be able to build new schools, rebuild schools, and deal with a decade of under-investment in schools, and that's why on this side of the House we're very proud of our record of making sure that we have invested more than any other Government has before in the education system, after a decade of neglect.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: What weighting do party political endorsements receive in the assessment of shovel-ready projects?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Nineteen hundred applications were received for the Infrastructure Reference Group fund. Crown Infrastructure Partners shortlisted that down to just over 800. Ministers were then responsible for refining that down further to the around 150 projects that have been put in place. There was a variety of discussions about that. Minister Shaw is on record for his strong advocacy of the particular project in question here.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: So is it the case that a few million are set aside for Greens Ministers and a few million are set aside for New Zealand First Ministers, and does he, as responsible Minister, bear responsibility, ultimately, for all those decisions?
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Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That question began with a certain line to do with a certain project and a certain political party, and now he's sought to widen it, and he should not be allowed to make any old allegation he likes without one shred of evidence even in the question.
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SPEAKER: Well, no, I've listened both to the question and to the answers that were given, and I'm convinced that, between the previous supplementary question and the answer from the Minister, it was expanded widely enough for that question to be relevant.
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: In answer to the first two of those questions, no.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: Has a contract been signed?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: That is a matter for Crown Infrastructure Partners, who have the responsibility for the negotiation. That is exactly as it should be, because I'm sure the member on the other side of the House would not want individual politicians to be doing that kind of negotiation. Crown Infrastructure Partners are doing that work.
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SPEAKER: Order! Order! No, no. I'm going to deal again with the fact that whether or not a contract had been signed was not addressed. Saying it's someone else's fault—there's only one person—well, there might be two people, with Mr Jones—responsible for that to this House, and the Minister of Finance is the one responsible at the moment.
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: I am not aware of that, because it is a matter for Crown Infrastructure Partners.
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SPEAKER: Thank you. That's much clearer.
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Rt Hon Winston Peters: With respect to any of the criteria that he considered, did the experience of charter schools have any bearing on it?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Actually, it didn't in this particular case, but it is interesting those who suddenly have found a new-found interest in the promotion of public education, when actually the record was a decade of under-investing in that—
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Hon Gerry Brownlee: Get off your high horse.
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: —and preferencing charter schools. That irony is not lost on this side of the House.
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SPEAKER: Order! Order! Before we have another supplementary, I'm going to remind the deputy leader of the National Party that it's been a long time since I've been on a horse. It may be something we share, but I wouldn't possibly comment.
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David Seymour: Will the Government break its commitment to this Green School, given how easily it broke its commitment to students who were disadvantaged students in charter schools earlier in this term of Parliament?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: I reject the premise of the second part of that question.
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Hon Chris Hipkins: Does the Minister of Finance believe that students attending charter schools should have been learning in shipping containers, as they were under the charter school model?
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Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: The charter school model is a deeply flawed ideological experiment. On this side of the House, we are consistent in our support of public education and in fixing up the mess left by the National Party when they were in Government when it came to our schools.
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Hon Paul Goldsmith: Spent too much time with those crystals.
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SPEAKER: Is the member finished?
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Hon Members: Ha, ha!
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SPEAKER: Well, normally, people stand up for their sparkly supplementaries, Mr Goldsmith.
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Question No. 6—Defence
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6. CLAYTON MITCHELL (NZ First) to the Minister of Defence: What support is the New Zealand Defence Force providing to the all-of-Government COVID-19 response through Operation Protect?
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Hon RON MARK (Minister of Defence): Thank you, Mr—
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SPEAKER: It looks very long, looking at it from here, but I hope it's not that long. Carry on.
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Hon RON MARK: Thank you, Mr Speaker. The coalition Government recently announced a significant increase in the number of Defence Force personnel supporting the all-of-Government COVID response. In total, there are approximately 1,260 personnel either supporting or preparing to support tasks as part of the NZ Defence Force Operation Protect. This represents the largest military deployment since the Timor-Leste deployment, and, through the provision of disciplined, well-trained, professional personnel, the Defence Force is making a difference by supporting managed isolation and quarantine facilities, assisting at the maritime border, and providing planning and support to other Government agencies. And, of course, New Zealand can be rightly proud of how the Defence Force has stepped up at this time of the country's need.
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Clayton Mitchell: What role do New Zealand Defence Force personnel have at the managed isolation and quarantine facilities?
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Hon RON MARK: A force of up to 990 New Zealand Defence Force personnel has been generated for the managed isolation and quarantine tasks, with around 19 personnel at each facility once fully rolled out over the coming weeks. Across each location, Defence Force personnel are providing facilities management, administrative support, and, increasingly, scaled-up security support. The recent increases in Defence Force personnel deployed to the facilities will allow for the security of high-risk areas such as entry and exit points and public areas, reducing reliance on private security guards, and, of course, Air Commodore "Digby" Darryn Webb is currently head of the managed isolation and quarantine within the all-of-Government response.
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Clayton Mitchell: What role do New Zealand Defence Force personnel have at the maritime border?
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Hon RON MARK: There are 80 Defence Force personnel assisting Customs at the maritime border by maintaining security of entry points and exit points in relation to ports and ships that have arrived in New Zealand. They are providing information and engaging with people to ensure they understand the relevant isolation and quarantine rules; monitoring and, if necessary, directing the movement of persons at ports and on ships; and monitoring compliance at ports and on ships in relation to people disembarking, physical distancing rules, and rules in relation to the wearing of personal protective equipment.
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Clayton Mitchell: What proposals has he seen to further increase the New Zealand Defence Force role in the COVID-19 response?
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Hon RON MARK: The discipline, rigour, and operational expertise in the New Zealand Defence Force provide—what they provide has clearly been needed, and they have proved their effectiveness. As I've said many times, I've consistently been highly supportive of the military's strong role as part of the COVID-19 response, as have my colleagues in New Zealand First. I was particularly impressed by the proposal put forward by the leader of New Zealand First, the Rt Hon Winston Peters, in which he suggested a new border protection force be established—
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SPEAKER: Order! Order! Order! The member knows he has stretched beyond his responsibilities as a member of the current ministry.
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Hon RON MARK: Oh sorry, but can I finish?
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SPEAKER: No, no, the member's finished.
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Question No. 7—Education
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NICOLA WILLIS (National): My question is to—[Interruption]
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SPEAKER: Order! Order! Once again, I don't know—
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Hon Gerry Brownlee: I'm a victim.
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Hon Members: Ha, ha!
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SPEAKER: Well, the member might see a conspiracy, but I don't.
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7. NICOLA WILLIS (National) to the Minister of Education: Was he or the Ministry of Education consulted about any aspect of the application by Green School New Zealand for funding prior to its announcement; if so, did he raise concerns about providing Government funding for this project?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): I had a conversation about the application with James Shaw towards the end of July and I gave him feedback that from an educational portfolio perspective the school would not be a priority for investment.
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Nicola Willis: Well then, why did the project get funding?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I'm not ministerially responsible for that.
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SPEAKER: Yeah, I should have cut off the—well, the member's used a supplementary, so it's all right.
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Nicola Willis: Was he aware of Treasury advice that "it would be inappropriate to announce or provide government funding for a project that does not yet have the necessary education approvals", and has the Green School met the legal requirements for registration?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No, I wouldn't have seen that advice because I was not one of the Ministers involved in approving the project.
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Hon Gerry Brownlee: The second part of the question is his, though: is it registered or not?
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SPEAKER: Well, if the member wants to find out if it's registered or not, she should ask that.
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Hon Gerry Brownlee: She did ask.
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SPEAKER: As part of a two-legged question, and we all know, and the member knows very well, there's only a requirement, when people ask an extra leg in a supplementary—which is, I understand, strictly not within order—there's no obligation to respond to it. There are two members standing—Ginny Andersen.
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Ginny Andersen: What investment in property for other schools around the country is being funded through Vote Education?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: State schools around the country—
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SPEAKER: No, no. That, again—I mean, it might be within the responsibility of the Minister of Education, but it's certainly not within the realms of the primary or the supplementary question.
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Nicola Willis: Has the Green School qualified for legal registration as a private school, including meeting all requirements around suitable tuition standards and staffing standards?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I'm not aware of that. Of course, private schools have an application process that they have to go through. As Minister I don't make that decision. That decision's made by the Ministry of Education.
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Ginny Andersen: What investment in property for other schools in Taranaki is being funded through Vote Education?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I'm very happy to say that over the past three calendar years, schools in the Taranaki region have received $68 million of Government property funding. In addition to this, they're getting $11.75 million from the schools investment package that we announced late last year.
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Nicola Willis: Why did he not speak up for New Zealand State schools and oppose this decision when it came to Cabinet for approval?
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SPEAKER: Order! The member knows that that's not correct.
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Nicola Willis: Why did the Minister not take any steps to stop the Government providing $11.7 million to the Green School, which isn't even registered yet?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: As I've said before, I was not one of the Ministers involved in approving that project. I do want to make it clear, though, that the Government is not opposed to private schooling. It's interesting the Opposition now appears to be.
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Nicola Willis: Has he taken any steps to address the concerns of school leaders across New Zealand disgusted by this decision, and do those steps include replying to the letter from Kealy Warren?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes, absolutely. The Government's taking heaps of action to address the concerns raised by school leaders up and down the country who are worried that after a decade of being neglected, their school properties are in a state of disrepair. That's why this Government in our first Budget put several hundred million dollars into building new schools, put the largest single investment into school capital in Budget 2019—$1.2 billion of additional funding in there—and it's why we put $400 million into shovel-ready school projects for their upgrade works that's currently being spent as we speak.
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Question No. 8—Finance
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8. NICOLA WILLIS (National) to the Associate Minister of Finance: Does he stand by the entirety of his press statement on 26 August confirming $11.7 million in funding for Green School New Zealand, and on what evidence did he base each of the claims made in that statement?
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SPEAKER: Hang on. I just want to warn the member—I mean, we're a long way away from the next Parliament, but it's pretty important. In both the last question and this question, she's reading questions which are slightly different from those on the Order Paper, but we'll go with it.
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Hon JAMES SHAW (Associate Minister of Finance): Yes, I stand by my statement based on reports provided to me by the Infrastructure Industry Reference Group (IRG). That being said, understanding the depth of feeling in the community about this funding, were I to make this decision again, I would come to a different conclusion.
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Nicola Willis: Is a contract in place for the Government's deal with the Green School, and has he taken any legal advice about his options for unwinding his mistake?
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Hon JAMES SHAW: Well, Ministers cannot get involved in the contracting between the Crown and the various projects.
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Nicola Willis: Did the Minister get involved in making clear his expectation that the Green School should achieve legal registration as a school prior to receiving taxpayer money, and, if not, why not?
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Hon JAMES SHAW: I don't believe I did.
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Nicola Willis: Did he meet with anyone involved in the Green School prior to or during the application process for shovel-ready funding, and, if so, who?
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Hon JAMES SHAW: On 18 May, the Mayor of New Plymouth, Neil Holdom, came to see me in my office and introduced me to the people who've started the Green School. He was quite keen that we support the project.
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Nicola Willis: Does he agree with Minister Hipkins that the Green Party had advocated "quite strongly" for the Green School, and, if so, why did he reject the Minister's advice that the funding should not go ahead?
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Hon JAMES SHAW: It wasn't the Green Party; it was me, because it was a ministerial decision and not one that was shared with caucus, because, of course, as a Budget-confidential decision, Ministers are unable to share that outside of their offices. So I would say it's not accurate to say that the Green Party advocated for it, but I did personally.
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Nicola Willis: Did any Ministers other than Minister Hipkins raise questions or concerns with him about the conditions for this taxpayer funding to the Green School, and, if so, what steps did he take to address those concerns?
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Hon JAMES SHAW: I'm not aware of specific points that were raised. There was a very iterative process over a number of months of the whole IRG process, and many projects came and went during the course of that time.
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Rt Hon Winston Peters: Can I ask the Minister as to whether he wished he could draw upon the experience of the Transmission Gully contract fiscals, which means we're going to spend far more money trying to finish it than we've spent thus far because of the National Party's gross mistakes.
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Hon JAMES SHAW: I think the member would be aware that the Green Party has had a long-held scepticism of major public-private partnerships, particularly the one around Transmission Gully. Given his experience in Government, he would be aware of that.
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Rt Hon Winston Peters: You've made a clown of yourself, mate. You were clowns.
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Hon Gerry Brownlee: The Government's too soft—too soft.
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SPEAKER: Order! I think it's fair to say that I'm neither, and I will ask the Deputy Prime Minister to withdraw and apologise.
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Rt Hon Winston Peters: I apologise and withdraw for the insinuation that you were a clown, sir. I didn't meant it in any way, shape, or form.
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SPEAKER: Now, because we have another member here who has added embellishments to his withdrawals and apologies and suffered for it, I'm going to give the Deputy Prime Minister a requirement to withdraw and apologise without the embellishment.
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Rt Hon Winston Peters: I withdraw and apologise.
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SPEAKER: Thank you.
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Question No. 9—Research, Science and Innovation
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9. GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) to the Minister of Research, Science and Innovation: What recent announcements has she made about progress on the COVID19 vaccine strategy?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Research, Science and Innovation): On Thursday last week, I joined the Prime Minister at the Malaghan Institute in Wellington to provide an update on progress made on New Zealand's vaccine strategy, with additional funding going towards securing access for vaccines when they become available. In keeping with our "going hard and going early" approach to COVID-19 in New Zealand, we have been engaged with the global search for a vaccine since the early stages, and we are now well connected to all parts of vaccine development, distribution, and use. The contribution is in the order of hundreds of millions of dollars and will help secure access to promising vaccine candidates. This funding is in addition to our contributions for the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations in the global COVAX Facility announced in May. Securing early access to a vaccine will be critical not only for our own population but for our Pacific neighbours as well, and we're working hard to ensure that New Zealanders can get vaccinated as soon as one becomes available.
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Ginny Andersen: How will domestic capability and manufacturing contribute to New Zealand accessing a vaccine?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: New Zealand's science and vaccine manufacturing sectors have an incredibly important role to play in ensuring New Zealanders get early access to a vaccine. Locally, the Vaccine Alliance Aotearoa New Zealand will receive $10 million to lead COVID-19 vaccine research through a vaccine development and evaluation platform. This will see the brightest minds from the Malaghan Institute of Medical Research, the University of Otago, and Victoria University of Wellington work together to support global efforts to develop vaccines that are safe and fit for purpose. BioCell will receive $3 million to upgrade its existing facilities so it's in a position to scale up and support local and global vaccine manufacturing. Depending on the chosen vaccine, this could see up to 100 million vaccines manufactured annually right here in New Zealand—an important contribution to the global effort. New Zealand is well placed through the efforts of our researchers and Medsafe to leverage our expertise and to ensure that everybody can access a safe and effective vaccine as soon as possible.
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Ginny Andersen: How will New Zealand's relative success in dealing with the coronavirus mean we are at the back of the queue for the vaccine?
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Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: No. Our relative success to date in keeping COVID-19 contained in New Zealand does not count against us when we aim to secure a vaccine to keep our population protected from COVID-19. Our vaccine strategy has been developed with this in mind, and this latest boost in funding is key to being part of and contributing to global efforts. This is a novel approach to securing vaccine access, but new and innovative approaches are required to ensure that New Zealand does not get left behind. We know that vaccine nationalism is the inhibitor to progress in our search for a vaccine, so our multilateral approaches with leading international organisations and in partnership with our Australian neighbours mean we are well placed to secure supply as one become available.
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Question No. 10—Housing (Public Housing)
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10. Hon LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupō) to the Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing): Is he confident that the Government's emergency housing policies are fit for purpose; if so, why?
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Hon KRIS FAAFOI (Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing)): When we came into Government, we said that those in genuine need of emergency housing should come forward and they would get support. Since then, we have built more State houses than any Government since the 1970s, funded over 2,000 Housing First places, and piloted and rolled out the Sustaining Tenancies programme. Our emergency housing policies are constantly under review to ensure that vulnerable New Zealanders' needs are being adequately met. This Government inherited a housing crisis from a predecessor who refused to admit one existed.
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Hon Louise Upston: Who is responsible for placing families with kids into emergency housing, when it was reported that houses in the scheme were without stoves and ovens and that houses were essentially building sites?
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Hon KRIS FAAFOI: That is an operational issue, but the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) does most of the operational issues in terms of determining who gets an emergency housing Special Needs Grant placement.
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Hon Louise Upston: Is he saying it's acceptable for a family with children to be placed in a house without a stove or oven?
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Hon KRIS FAAFOI: No, and that's why I've asked officials to see what work can be done around the placement process to ensure that properties are adequate for the needs of the people who are being housed. I think the member might be referring to a media report where private properties were used. That system was used between January 2018 and June of this year, and was primarily used because some of the accommodation that we were supplying, like motels, was not adequate for larger families.
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Hon Louise Upston: Does he consider the taxpayer funding of up to $3,000 per week for uninhabitable emergency housing good value for money, and, if not, how much money has been spent on uninhabitable emergency housing?
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Hon KRIS FAAFOI: We always want to make sure that people are in appropriate housing, whether it be transitional housing, emergency housing, or social housing. I am disappointed that on a small number of occasions when private market rentals were used, some of that may have been inadequate—there are reports of it being inadequate—and that's why we've asked officials to make sure we look at the placement process to ensure that the properties are appropriate for families that use them.
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Hon Louise Upston: On how many occasions did this happen, and how much money was spent on it?
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Hon KRIS FAAFOI: I don't have that figure on me. What I would tell the member is that during the period where private rentals were used in Auckland, only 13 percent of emergency housing Special Needs Grant people that were looked after were looked after in private market rentals—I think the figure is just a little short of 1,100—and, again, it's disappointing to see a small number of those where some of those properties may not have been adequate.
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Hon Louise Upston: Was he aware that after the scheme was extended in 2018, it was reported that once a provider joined the emergency housing scheme through providing a motel or hotel, it could then rent out extra rooms or houses into the scheme, and that the status of those would not be checked; and, if yes, is the scheme working as intended?
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Hon KRIS FAAFOI: Well, as the member would know, the scheme is no longer in place.
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Hon Louise Upston: Can he confirm whether every emergency housing provider is inspected to ensure that emergency housing places funded by MSD meet basic living conditions; and, if not, why not?
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Hon KRIS FAAFOI: I repeat to the member: I've asked officials to look at the placement process to ensure that all properties are adequate for the people who are placed in those properties.
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Question No. 11—Health
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11. MICHAEL WOOD (Labour—Mt Roskill) to the Minister of Health: What reports has he seen on New Zealand's COVID-19 contact tracing systems?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Health): Last week, I released the final report of the Contacting Tracing Assurance Committee. The report recognises the progress that's been made on New Zealand's COVID-19 contact tracing systems, and it concluded that New Zealand is now in an increasingly strong position, with an improved contact tracing regime. More than three weeks on from the Auckland outbreak, contact tracing continues to be effective. As of yesterday, teams have identified 2,743 close contacts, of which 2,676 have already been contacted and were isolating. That's a very high strike rate and, while the figures vary day to day, the teams are consistently performing at around or above the 80 percent benchmark of close contacts identified and contacted within 48 hours.
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Michael Wood: Has the Ministry of Health met the recommendations of the Verrall audit of the contact tracing system?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Dr Ayesha Verrall's audit included eight recommendations to strengthen the contact tracing response to COVID-19, and the ministry has implemented all of those recommendations, and that was what was found in the audit report of July 2020. Those actions include things like increasing public health units' capacity for contact tracing case management—we're seeing the results of those; establishing a national close contact service within the ministry to provide leadership and surge capacity, and we're seeing that working; implementing a comprehensive IT solution, the National Contact Tracing Solution, across the system—that's been implemented and it's working; and developing and implementing a monitoring framework to track and report on progress.
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Michael Wood: How is the national contact tracing centre supporting quick turn-round between a newly identified contact in relation to a confirmed case and isolation and testing?
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: The National Contact Tracing Solution is an information technology solution that ensures that the oversight and management for all COVID-19 cases and close contacts are drawn together. All public health units have now moved on to that single cloud-based platform. Since the resurgence of COVID-19 cases in the community, the National Investigation and Tracing Centre and the public health units have been able to test the capability of the system to respond to a community outbreak, and it has performed incredibly well.
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Additional Question—Leave Not Put
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Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Deputy Prime Minister): I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I thought, seeing as there's no question No. 12 and we're all accountable, I'd seek by way of the leave of the House the National Party a chance to ask me some questions because they've barely asked me a question for the last three years or this year. So perhaps I could move that, Mr Speaker.
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SPEAKER: Order! There are methods for Ministers to move things, as the Deputy Prime Minister is well aware of. If he chooses to move something, which would probably involve a suspension of the Standing Orders, it's his right to do so, but I think he also knows that it is not his role to seek leave for another party to do anything, no matter how much he desires it.
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Rt Hon Winston Peters: Can I signify that I'd be very happy for me to do so?
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SPEAKER: I think the member has already done that in a way which is out of order.
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URGENT DEBATES DECLINED
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Cyber-security—Activation of National Security System
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SPEAKER: I have received a letter from David Seymour seeking to debate under Standing Order 389 the activation of the National Security System in response to cyber-attacks. This is a particular case of recent occurrence for which there is ministerial responsibility. The test for whether a particular case requires the immediate attention of the House is a high one. I am not convinced that this matter is urgent enough to warrant a debate today. The application is therefore declined.
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In accordance with a determination of the Business Committee, the House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. tomorrow.
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The House adjourned at 2.59 p.m.
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