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B	11.81	Alright , yeah .	opening
B	13.27	crack on .	opening
B	14.5	Okay so we'll start off with a quick overview of the minutes .	opening
B	19.96	I think to sum up the last meeting , would be to say um the requirements that we've um set out .	opening
B	27.18	Those are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on uh a small joystick , L_C_D_ and a couple of other buttons for navigation um with power being I suppose one of the main single purpose buttons .	opening
B	48.01	Um we were also going to use novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck , the idea to try and separate us and also because of the minimal design um looks like we'll be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control with any luck .	opening
B	68.33	Um that pretty much sums up the last one .	opening
B	72.06	So we'll just crack on , um like to maybe start with the Industrial Designer if it's possible .	opening
D	79.67	Uh uh okay .	opening
B	79.76	Um uh the con today is the concep today .	opening
D	81.28	I'll just Uh I have a presentation I just saved it in the uh the folder .	agenda/equipment issues opening
B	84.2	This uh meeting is the conceptual design phase and is um Sorry about this .	opening
B	95.87	And is to cover things like um what the parts might be made of , um , can we uh outsource these from elsewhere , um will we have to construct any items ourselves ?	opening
B	111.35	Yeah , okay well I'll just uh I'll load it up then .	agenda/equipment issues
B	115.34	Um .	agenda/equipment issues
B	118.79	Which one do y Oh , interface concept ?	agenda/equipment issues
D	120.33	Uh .	agenda/equipment issues
A	123.29	Yeah , that's me .	agenda/equipment issues
C	123.75	Uh .	agenda/equipment issues
B	123.78	That's you .	agenda/equipment issues
B	124.89	We've got trend watching , that's you .	agenda/equipment issues
D	125.66	It's uh Components design .	agenda/equipment issues
B	129.12	Components design .	agenda/equipment issues
B	139.27	Okay .	agenda/equipment issues
D	140.89	Alright .	industrial designer presentation
D	142.14	So Uh .	industrial designer presentation
D	146.31	The case uh le that's what I wrote first of all , could be plastic our plastic .	components, materials and energy sources
D	151.66	Uh but later on we found out that um it can be rubber as well , or titanium or even wood .	components, materials and energy sources
D	159.26	So uh we decide what it's gonna be .	components, materials and energy sources
D	161.78	Probably plastic .	components, materials and energy sources
D	163.17	Uh we need the infra-red transmitter .	components, materials and energy sources
D	167.63	Get that off the shelf .	components, materials and energy sources
D	168.75	Uh joystick we'll probably if we're gonna use it , um could be plastic w or rubber even as well .	components, materials and energy sources
D	177.79	Um if you go on to the next slide .	components, materials and energy sources
D	181.28	Uh If you go on to f uh findings , it's like two or three slides down .	components, materials and energy sources
D	189.16	Right .	components, materials and energy sources
B	189.21	Okay .	components, materials and energy sources
D	189.43	So , this is what I found we can use .	components, materials and energy sources
D	193.18	Uh three different types of batteries .	components, materials and energy sources
D	197.08	Um can either use a hand dynamo , or the kinetic type ones , you know that they use in watches , or else uh a solar powered one .	components, materials and energy sources
B	208.55	Okay .	components, materials and energy sources
D	212.16	Um .	components, materials and energy sources
B	212.27	Now , the kinetic one , we've 'cause that's the ones where like you the movement causes it .	components, materials and energy sources
C	214.95	Cost is Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
D	218.4	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
B	219.48	Um the bat uh the battery for a a watch wouldn't require a lot of power , would be my one query .	components, materials and energy sources
B	227.36	Is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power ?	components, materials and energy sources
A	227.38	Mm .	components, materials and energy sources
A	232.63	There's also a watch moves around a great deal more .	components, materials and energy sources
B	232.72	Do you think ?	components, materials and energy sources
D	232.85	Uh .	components, materials and energy sources
B	235.6	W Which I suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again , you'd say ?	components, materials and energy sources
D	236.02	Yeah , I don't think it would .	components, materials and energy sources
C	236.16	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
D	238.74	Um .	components, materials and energy sources
D	241.56	And solar cells , I dunno about that .	components, materials and energy sources
C	245.15	yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
D	245.79	Uh .	components, materials and energy sources
D	247.99	We should probably just use conventional batteries .	components, materials and energy sources
D	252.1	Um , just like in usual remote controls .	components, materials and energy sources
D	256.45	Um .	components, materials and energy sources
D	259.56	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
D	261.2	Um .	components, materials and energy sources
D	263.27	And these are three different types of or two different types three different types of shapes you can have .	components, materials and energy sources
D	268.25	Uh one is a flat one , and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved .	components, materials and energy sources
D	275.1	Um the materials are tha there as you can see , but uh you can't have a titanium one for a double curved , uh which would be Yeah , and light .	components, materials and energy sources
C	282.84	Titanium , the really strong metal , titanium ?	components, materials and energy sources
C	286.24	Is it not also it's expensive ?	components, materials and energy sources
D	288.37	Uh , i think so as well , yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
D	290.83	They make mountain bikes out of that , don't they .	components, materials and energy sources
B	290.98	Um .	components, materials and energy sources
B	292.72	Um .	components, materials and energy sources
D	293.1	So it's really light as well .	components, materials and energy sources
B	294.48	Curious .	components, materials and energy sources
B	295.22	Um , I don't know if you'd be able to off the top of your head or not , the single curved and double curved , would you be able to give an example ?	components, materials and energy sources
D	302.3	Um .	components, materials and energy sources
B	302.95	Um could you maybe draw something ?	components, materials and energy sources
D	304.36	T yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
B	305.46	I you don't doesn't have to be perfect , it's just 'cause I'm not quite sure if I understand the difference between the two .	components, materials and energy sources
D	310.46	Uh .	components, materials and energy sources
D	313.76	Well for a curved , well I was thinking to f for to sit in your the palm of your hand .	components, materials and energy sources
D	322.25	Uh maybe like this , with the uh joy pad here .	components, materials and energy sources
D	326.75	Joystick here .	components, materials and energy sources
D	328.18	And maybe um an okay button around here , so that the thumb can uh use it quite easily .	components, materials and energy sources
D	337.88	Um I don't exactly Double curved .	components, materials and energy sources
D	343.14	It probably means this is probably double curved .	components, materials and energy sources
D	345.9	Uh whereas a single curved would be like that .	components, materials and energy sources
D	352.58	I guess .	components, materials and energy sources
D	354.61	Or not necessarily .	components, materials and energy sources
B	356.23	So it might literally just be okay .	components, materials and energy sources
C	357.88	Two curves .	components, materials and energy sources
D	360.87	Yeah like that .	components, materials and energy sources
D	361.87	Whereas this is two curves .	components, materials and energy sources
D	363.6	Um so I guess that's what they mean by uh double curve .	components, materials and energy sources
B	367.37	Alright .	components, materials and energy sources
D	370.24	Um which obviously it looks better than the single curve , but uh you can't have it in titanium , which is uh a nice material .	components, materials and energy sources
B	383.02	Mm .	components, materials and energy sources
D	383.19	Uh and for the buttons , um it can have the scroll wheel which they use in mouses for com P_C_s .	components, materials and energy sources
D	392.79	Uh but um it requires a more expensive chip to use , and if you wanna use L_C_D_ it's even more expensive .	components, materials and energy sources
D	404.53	So you have to decide , there's trade-offs there .	components, materials and energy sources
D	407.81	Um if you want the buttons to be oh yeah , if you have a double curve uh control and it's rubber , then you have these rubber buttons as well .	components, materials and energy sources
D	417.88	But you're gonna ha I reckon you're gonna have to have uh key a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days .	components, materials and energy sources
D	426.92	You wouldn't want to just have to scroll through all the channels to get to the one you want .	components, materials and energy sources
D	430.04	You wanna enter just the number of it , if you know it .	components, materials and energy sources
D	432.49	So um I reckon we're gonna have to have a number keypad anyway .	components, materials and energy sources
D	439.84	Do you think ?	components, materials and energy sources
B	441.2	Okay , that was definitely something we can talk about .	components, materials and energy sources
B	447.45	Um so you've got a little bit about the the chip that we might require as well ?	components, materials and energy sources
D	452.61	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
D	455.03	So , depends where gonna spend the money if you want the f fancy L_C_D_ display .	components, materials and energy sources
B	468.42	Um , do you have any idea so far , like when we're saying that we'd need an advanced chip for an L_C_D_ , does that in shoot the cost up by a drastic amount ?	components, materials and energy sources
B	478.46	Or ?	components, materials and energy sources
C	478.79	Need an advanced chip for the L_C_D_ .	components, materials and energy sources
C	481.18	Is that did I Advanced , like three eight six advance .	components, materials and energy sources
B	482.35	Well I think compared to say just pressing buttons .	components, materials and energy sources
D	483.01	Yep .	components, materials and energy sources
B	487.25	if you press a button that sends a certain transmission through the infra-red , whereas I think if we're controlling the L_C_D_ we definitely require a much more powerful chip .	components, materials and energy sources
C	497.42	Okay .	industrial designer presentation
B	497.65	Just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons I think is the the point being made .	components, materials and energy sources
C	501.64	Okay , sure .	industrial designer presentation
A	502.54	Mm .	industrial designer presentation
B	502.83	If I've not over-stepped .	components, materials and energy sources
B	504.52	Yeah ?	components, materials and energy sources
D	504.57	Yeah i Um Uh the previous slides just explain what's in the internal components of the uh remote control .	industrial designer presentation
B	506.3	Okay , um should I go on , or go back ?	industrial designer presentation
C	512.8	Mm , if we only have twelve Pounds fifty , twelve Euros , not even twelve Pounds .	project budget
C	518.45	Twelve Euros , what's that , like eight pounds or something like that , nine Pounds ?	project budget
B	522.3	Well we'd also be relying on the um the bulk buying in producement and such .	project budget
C	527.8	Okay , that's good point .	project budget
B	528.34	I assume .	project budget
B	529.27	We have to look into the costs of those .	project budget
B	531.48	So , sorry .	project budget
D	539.64	If you go to the one before that uh so it just says what it does , translate the key press into an infra-red signal and this is received by the T_V_ .	industrial designer presentation
D	548.6	Uh the chip just needs to detect the signal or detect the key press and then uh it'll send it to the tr the amplifier .	industrial designer presentation
B	557.05	Okay .	industrial designer presentation
D	558.87	And uh then the next slide just shows how the uh copper wires uh interact with the buttons , the rubber buttons , uh to uh get sent to the chip .	industrial designer presentation
D	575.5	So that's just how the control works inside .	industrial designer presentation
D	580.49	Um we have to decide on what buttons we're gonna use .	industrial designer presentation
B	586.45	Okay .	industrial designer presentation
B	587.88	Um .	industrial designer presentation
B	595.17	So in the information that you've been supplied , how feasible would you say that the idea of using an L_C_D_ looks ?	discussion
D	605.32	Um I think we can do it if uh we use conventional batteries and not have solar cells or kinetic .	discussion
D	614.97	Um and then maybe use single curved uh case .	discussion
D	623.94	Because we might need it to be curved for the uh thumb to use the joyst joystick easily .	discussion
D	630.74	Um and then you'll need the advanced chip obviously for the L_C_D_ .	discussion
B	638.57	Um I mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me .	discussion
B	641.47	Um conventional battery would seem to make sense .	discussion
B	644.45	Um I'm not sure if there's any cost differences between single and double curved and I'm I don't know about anybody else , but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward ?	discussion
A	644.62	Mm-hmm .	discussion
A	656.71	Mm .	discussion
A	658.21	Um I'm actually gonna be bold and go oo go straight for rubber um for reasons I'll go into uh in more detail .	discussion
B	665.99	Okay .	discussion
C	666.85	I also have a preference for rubber .	discussion
B	669.34	Okay , well um Yeah , well will we move on to user interface , and yeah ?	agenda/equipment issues discussion
C	670.91	Based on my research .	discussion
B	678.41	Um sorry , as long as were you ?	agenda/equipment issues
A	679.24	Mm .	agenda/equipment issues
D	680.53	Yep I'm finished .	agenda/equipment issues
B	680.84	Yeah .	agenda/equipment issues
B	681.11	Okay .	agenda/equipment issues
B	683.5	Um and d d d interface concept .	agenda/equipment issues
A	688.45	Yep .	agenda/equipment issues
A	688.99	Now I'm gonna have to work between the uh the slides and the uh and the white board 'cause I actually I have some fairly concrete things this time .	agenda/equipment issues
B	695.5	Yeah .	agenda/equipment issues
A	703.19	Uh um I was given a an H_T_M_L_ file giving um various ideas from uh from other previous remote control designs , and pretty much decided to just dump them all .	interface specialist presentation
A	715.14	I wasn't very impressed by them and they didn't seem to re uh nothing I saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that we're going for today .	interface specialist presentation
A	723.34	Um so what I ra rather than looking at other remotes , uh ra oomp be better to simply look at the human hand .	interface specialist presentation
A	731.03	Um and try and f um and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we've already decided on , um so that if r a if so that the finger is e each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already .	interface specialist presentation
A	744.79	Um so uh next slide , if you please .	interface specialist presentation
A	749.84	Um and what we've basically decided on was the the um the joy uh the joystick , two function buttons and the L_C_D_ , just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum .	interface specialist presentation
A	761.18	I don't actually think we need the um the numeric keypad because if you m because one of the menus that we could have available um v via via the L_C_D_ is one where you scroll through channels , so if there's something f and be bear in mind since this isn't meant to work for um f f f for di for digital or um or for or for cable , whatever , you're basically looking at four or five terrestrial channels , and then um your V_C_ uh and then the channel through your V_C_R_ and or D_V_D_ player .	look and usability
C	783.55	digital .	look and usability
D	784.06	Ah , okay .	look and usability
A	801.38	And or um box .	look and usability
A	805.58	So it's not I'm not really excessively concerned about that .	look and usability
A	809.42	You must have two two modes , basic mode , where um the joystick's uh left right left right for channels , up down for volume , um and the uh uh and the menu mode for uh further functions .	look and usability
A	824.28	Um now the reason I was particularly interested in using rubber for this is that if we're going to have a highly ergonomic design , um it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people .	look and usability
A	835.7	Um , so you Mm-hmm .	look and usability
B	836.67	Can I just jump in slightly there ?	look and usability
B	838.75	That would suggest the double curved design's probably going to be most appropriate , then .	look and usability
A	842.64	Yes , absolutely .	look and usability
B	843.83	okay .	look and usability
A	844.29	Um , basi basically what I basically what the what be having um , I would say , the the whole thing articulated at two points , so that if you if you're handing it from a lef uh left or right handed user you can adjust it so that the um the L_C_ the L_C_D_ and the uh The joystick would be in the right place .	look and usability
A	872.25	And also this is a rather nicer de uh design gimmick that the the um you know the whole thing you know it should have sort of organic feel to it that it should be , you know , soft to touch and can be moved around all nice .	look and usability
B	872.41	Mm .	look and usability
A	889.21	Um okay on to on to the next uh to the next slide .	look and usability
B	889.65	Okay .	look and usability
B	890.17	Um , yeah .	look and usability
B	894.93	Just to let you know we'll probably be quite tight for time as well , because I think you've probably got a lot you'd like to say , I guess .	agenda/equipment issues
A	898.02	Okay .	agenda/equipment issues
A	900.95	Yeah , 'kay basically um I can add pretty pictures to this .	agenda/equipment issues
A	910.34	The um Assuming the hand the hand to be in about sort of this position , um hol uh holding the remote , the um the joystick unit should rest over the uh the joint of the f of the uh four finger so that it's directly accessible for the thumb .	interface specialist presentation look and usability
A	933.44	Um and it would need t there would need to be a it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for uh left or right handed users .	look and usability
A	942.92	So .	look and usability
A	950.71	You then have a grip section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handedness .	look and usability
A	959.04	You just have big two big buttons that cover most of the area so it can in the upper part , one for the four finger , one for the middle finger .	look and usability
A	967.78	Um , and that Th this part here is the joystick .	look and usability
C	968.22	Is this the joystick ?	look and usability
A	973.41	This would be the actual grip .	look and usability
A	975.84	Probably where you'd want to have the battery as well .	look and usability
C	979.07	Okay .	look and usability
A	979.59	That would be probably the bulkiest part .	look and usability
A	982.31	And you then have , at the uh at the bottom , the L_C_D_ , and this would need to be articulated as well .	look and usability
A	989.7	And basically I'd want this to rest here , right at the base of the wrist .	look and usability
A	994.08	So it would fit just nicely in the hand .	look and usability
A	995.91	And again , this part could be rotated , so it can So so so that it can be adjusted to either left or right handed user .	look and usability
A	1013.14	Um So the t uh the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button .	look and usability
A	1024.81	And then the bottom function buttons switches between between modes .	look and usability
A	1028.52	Um now programming it actually thi this is one thing I've found with um the replacement remote control .	look and usability
A	1035.66	Programming them can be a right pain .	look and usability
A	1038.33	So I thought th the simplest way around that would be to have um a cable to connect it to the computer some some fair iv fairly fairly simple software on the computer just so that you on your computer just so that you could um pr program it at a rather in a rather more comfortable interface .	look and usability
A	1057.41	And you could download programs for it from uh for uh T_V_s from all sort of main manufacturers .	look and usability
A	1065.52	Um though you i it would be necessary to have uh have a m uh have a ha have a mode for programming it without the computer , uh just in case there are there are still people left out there who don't have them yet .	look and usability
C	1082.48	Mm .	look and usability
A	1082.6	Um .	look and usability
A	1084.5	But uh .	look and usability
A	1085.46	Yeah .	look and usability
B	1089.1	Okay .	interface specialist presentation
A	1089.33	That's that's my idea .	interface specialist presentation
B	1093.27	Excellent , right .	interface specialist presentation
C	1093.62	Mm .	interface specialist presentation
B	1094.33	Um uh .	agenda/equipment issues
C	1097.36	'Kay .	agenda/equipment issues
B	1099.07	File open .	agenda/equipment issues
C	1100.21	We go .	agenda/equipment issues
B	1101.97	Trend watching .	agenda/equipment issues
C	1105.51	Okay .	agenda/equipment issues
C	1109.36	So uh to gather my research , two basic methods .	trendwatching
C	1113.88	We compared uh whether people want the remote control to do a lot of stuff or they want it to look cool .	trendwatching
C	1120.55	And then we we research uh fashion trends in Europe , what's what's the new black , you know , as it goes .	trendwatching
C	1127.95	Next slide please .	trendwatching
B	1128.64	Okay .	trendwatching
C	1130.02	Uh we found , in order of importance , people want the remote control to look cool more than they want it to to be cool .	trendwatching
C	1137.52	As in they want it to do a lot of good s they want it to look like it does a lot , and if it does do a lot that's a bonus , but they don't care so much , you know .	trendwatching
C	1146.21	They want it to be that's sounds a bit like a contradiction .	trendwatching
C	1150.1	Technology technical technologically innovative .	trendwatching
C	1155.12	People want it to be that , but s still they care more about the way it looks than what it does .	trendwatching
C	1160.43	So like the interface is really important .	trendwatching
C	1163.72	And easy to use , it it just so happens that uh from the second point to the third point is twice as important I mean the second point is twice as important as the third point .	trendwatching
C	1174.69	People want it I is it has to be cooler than easy to use , you know , if it has the newest features , even if it's difficult to use , prefer it to have the newest features .	trendwatching
C	1186.78	And if it's easy to use that's a bonus .	trendwatching
C	1189.42	The fashion , now this is seems a bit odd to me , but fruit and veg is the new is the new black for furniture , for clothes , for shoes .	trendwatching
C	1198.43	How that relates to a remote control I don't know .	trendwatching
C	1201.02	But I I see I come on to that in the next in the next slide .	trendwatching
C	1205.1	Spongy .	trendwatching
C	1205.97	I've als I've been saying everything's the new black .	trendwatching
C	1207.79	Well spongy's the new black as well .	trendwatching
C	1209.56	So we have the choice between rubber and plastic .	trendwatching
C	1212.32	If it's the type of rubber that you can squeeze , you know , it's spongy , then can I skip the rest ?	trendwatching
D	1217.13	Oh yeah , I forgot to mention that .	trendwatching
D	1218.52	The uh rubber material is the type of stress ball material , not just normal rubber .	trendwatching
C	1223.32	Okay .	trendwatching
C	1225.25	Okay , so kinda spongy material .	trendwatching
D	1225.59	Forgot to say that .	trendwatching
C	1229.02	So um so my personal opinion ?	marketing expert presentation
B	1229.46	Okay .	marketing expert presentation
C	1234.97	Um we want something fancy and techni technologically innovative , obviously .	look and usability
C	1240.92	But what we what we need is something that looks like it's from the future that looks cool , that's that's different , you know , that's everyone has a white remote control , black remote control , you need something cool .	look and usability
C	1251.82	Like , titanium is cool but it's expensive .	look and usability
C	1254.57	And maybe it's a bit of overkill for a remote control .	look and usability
C	1258.59	Um now the fruit and veg options , either we we go in that direction or we stay totally away from it .	look and usability
C	1265.16	Um I mean the research did come up with fruit and veg , so maybe it is important for it's the up to the interface guy .	look and usability
C	1271.93	So if we stay away from it , s you know stay away from it , but if we're gonna go along with it then it doesn't necessarily have to be like an apple or something like that , or a kiwi fruit .	look and usability
C	1282.84	It could be something like , I say potato peeler but I'm sure you guys have a have a much cooler idea than I do .	look and usability
C	1290.06	So I think cool is the key .	look and usability
C	1292.77	Few questions about a spongy remote control .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1296.17	I've never seen one before .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1297.2	I've seen plastic remote controls .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1299.35	I think maybe they were I don't know , back in the day when they first came up with remote controls , they had a reason for it being sturdy , you know .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1307.55	Mm-hmm .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1310.35	For being strong and sturdy .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1311.98	So um if we want something strong and sturdy , I say stay with plastic or titanium , but if we go with spongy , we can stress that you can drop this as many times as you want , it doesn't matter , it's spongy material , it's not gonna break , you know .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1325.48	I just don't know how the L_E_D_ and the lights are gonna fit into a spongy material because it's not gonna be completely squeezable .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1334.0	So how do things fit it ?	components, materials and energy sources
C	1335.68	And if we are gonna use spongy , we can say it's long lasting , you know it's damage resistant and stuff like that , so .	marketing expert presentation
C	1344.35	So just to summarise , people want stuff that's cool , that's that looks like it's cool , and if it is cool then that's a bonus doesn't have to be um people like fruit and veg .	marketing expert presentation
C	1356.16	We can either go down that alley or stay totally away from it .	marketing expert presentation
C	1360.04	People like spongy material .	marketing expert presentation
C	1361.15	If we're gonna use spongy material we have to think of how practical it is , and how we can further promote that idea .	marketing expert presentation
C	1367.07	And also , this was this year .	marketing expert presentation
C	1369.47	So , things change all the time , every year you know they they always talk about this year , this is the new black .	marketing expert presentation
C	1375.63	Well next year something else is gonna be the new black and we're stuck with last year's fruit and veg type stuff .	marketing expert presentation
B	1377.2	Mm-hmm .	marketing expert presentation
C	1381.99	'Kay .	marketing expert presentation
B	1382.3	Okay .	marketing expert presentation
C	1383.46	That's me .	marketing expert presentation
B	1387.56	Well , um I would say that the most you could probably hope for is gaining a year's lead on most people anyway .	discussion
B	1393.36	You always have to bring out new designs , so if we can get next year then that's possibly a good place to start anyway .	discussion
A	1400.4	Mm-hmm .	discussion
B	1400.77	Um .	discussion
B	1408.39	Seems like a a lot of the components could be off the shelf , so I don't exactly what cost would be incurred .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1414.9	Um I can see your point about the number keypad , but I've I would say that we can probably incorporate it into the menu system if you need to do traversal of a large number of channels .	components, materials and energy sources
D	1424.1	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1424.41	Mm-hmm .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1427.97	My feeling would be that even if at a later date this was to be taking control of um boxes as well um having the use of the L_C_D_ and the joystick would probably allow you to manipulate enough channel numbers for you to be Mm-hmm .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1440.49	Yeah , actually if you've got a lot of channels , the number keypad can be quite annoying as well , becau it's you know if you're trying to remember what uh , you know , what number's the discovery channel or whatever .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1452.98	It's just irritating .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1453.17	That's a good point .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1453.94	You can incorporate names into the menu .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1454.31	But if you h but but but if you have a me but if you have a menu structure , then you can sub-group them .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1458.97	Okay .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1459.57	So you Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1459.57	Even news , music .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1459.74	Okay .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1461.57	Like they do on uh sky digital kinda .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1464.34	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1465.56	So what it looks like to me is we'll use a large number of standard components , um , say something like um lithium ion battery , the kind that you find in most um small hand held devices now .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1480.78	Um Looks like we going for a double curved design .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1485.53	Um I don't know what cost implications there are in that .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1488.84	Um , looks like we're pretty much decided on some kind of flexible rubber .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1494.43	Though I'd have to say depending on how flexible it is , we might need to have some kind of inner frame .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1500.91	Yeah , I I would say definitely , I mean I mean I mean the the idea of having it sort of articulated i th there would be basically two points of articulation .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1513.07	W um one below and one above the m the uh the main sort of grip .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1519.28	Do you think there's any way we could maybe remove the articulation ?	components, materials and energy sources
A	1519.75	So Mm .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1523.02	I can see why it looks appealing , but it could be a weak point in um the structure , do you think ?	components, materials and energy sources
B	1529.66	That would be a worry of mine .	components, materials and energy sources
D	1531.41	If you're going with the fruit and veg thing , looks like a banana .	components, materials and energy sources
D	1535.45	F if you wanna design it that way .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1537.91	I d I don't thi I don't think that it would be a a structural weakness , I mean if you have a firm s sub-structure , you can then incorporate articulation into that .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1546.77	If you then have a sort of outer skin of mm flexible , spongy rubber then you have something that is you know very much you know organic , and I think would look rather co I mean mi rather cool .	components, materials and energy sources
A	1561.59	I mean my drawing there doesn't doesn't do it justice , it makes it makes it look more a little bit more like a vibrator than a than a uh than a remote control , but uh .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1570.71	Yeah , we won't add that functionality .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1572.22	Okay .	components, materials and energy sources
C	1572.99	Course not .	components, materials and energy sources
B	1573.49	However , one interesting point is , I don't know how serious you were there , but we if we take some of the ideas why don't we make the damn thing yellow to incorporate the des the colour of the logo ?	look and usability
D	1583.85	Yeah .	look and usability
C	1587.02	Sure , yeah .	look and usability
D	1587.05	Okay .	look and usability
B	1588.51	I dunno .	look and usability
B	1589.04	It's an certainly a different colour from your average um That's true .	look and usability
A	1589.45	Mm-hmm .	look and usability
A	1593.52	Make it harder to lose , as well .	look and usability
D	1595.79	Yeah .	look and usability
C	1596.38	Sure .	look and usability
B	1597.89	Was there anything in your research Mm-hmm .	look and usability
C	1600.21	The noise for when you lose the banana , um f yeah , for when you lose the remote control , it could be like a a monkey noise or something like that , rather than a standard beep beep .	how to find when misplaced
C	1611.93	Y you know , you lose the monkey the banana , y you lose the banana , you press a button , and you hear like monkey screams or something like that to direct you towards the banana .	how to find when misplaced
D	1614.83	monkey .	how to find when misplaced
A	1622.72	I th uh I mean if it I think that's something that could perhaps be programmable , though maybe have monkey as default .	how to find when misplaced
C	1629.03	S oh , I was gonna talk about the programmable remote control .	look and usability
A	1629.35	Um .	how to find when misplaced
C	1633.48	Now I think it'd be cool if you had one remote control that could work with all T_V_s , you know you s you click a button and it finds the frequency that works with your particular television .	look and usability
A	1643.05	Mm-hmm .	look and usability
C	1643.34	But why you'd need to program it like as as a standard feature , I I don't know .	look and usability
A	1647.8	Well basi basically the um for f for uh I mean e each manufacturer will have a partic will have a particular command set that uh the T_V_ responds to .	look and usability
A	1659.91	It's not simply a matter of frequency .	look and usability
C	1659.92	Yeah .	look and usability
A	1661.96	So um usually what's done is you have this big booklet full of different possi you'll have all of them sort of programmed in to the uh remote , and you'll have this little booklet of codes you then find your um ma uh find your manufacturer and try the different codes that come under that manufacturer's name 'til you find the right one .	look and usability
C	1677.26	Mm-hmm .	look and usability
C	1685.01	Mm-hmm .	look and usability
C	1688.63	That's because televisions , they don't give the remote control any type of feedback when you send it .	look and usability
A	1688.76	It's Yeah , that's right .	look and usability
C	1693.61	Okay .	look and usability
A	1694.31	So that's that's quite annoying and we probably would still have to do that .	look and usability
A	1700.51	But if we had um some sort of hook-up to your computer as an option , then if you've got a computer you can avoid that rather irritating thing .	look and usability
B	1711.57	An interesting point is that if the person doesn't have the computer , we can still make the process easier because instead of having to look up codes , maybe we can have it that one of the options they have is that they look up the name of the company on the L_C_D_ and then they maybe look up different names of um different actual units that have been produced .	look and usability
A	1726.19	Yeah .	look and usability
A	1728.43	Yeah .	look and usability
B	1733.49	Or we have the remote control just go through them until it's like does this do the correct function , and such .	look and usability
C	1738.91	Is it is it actually a book of names to digits , or is it like a few pages ?	look and usability
A	1743.87	Um booklet .	look and usability
A	1745.79	Some pages .	look and usability
C	1747.12	I was just thinking , if we were to store this information , some type of mapping .	look and usability
C	1751.81	This person probably need to use this feature like once , you know , when you first buy the remote control , or whenever they buy a new television , so once every s Yeah , and it's Mm .	look and usability
A	1759.26	Yeah .	look and usability
B	1759.44	Doesn't have to be used very often that's right , yeah .	look and usability
A	1761.92	Yeah .	look and usability
A	1762.39	But it's a but it's a nuisance .	look and usability
A	1764.2	And it's a nuisance very close to the to um to actually purchasing it , so it's something that you're likely to be thinking about .	look and usability
A	1772.19	If you if there's w i if there's one in the shop that's that says it can avoid much of that nuisance , you might be favourably inclined towards it .	look and usability
C	1780.27	Mm .	look and usability
A	1782.72	Um mm .	look and usability
B	1787.41	Okay , this just to give us a rough idea of what we're meant to be doing for the next stage .	closing
C	1790.3	Mm .	closing
B	1792.85	I'm pretty sure that you got that anyway .	closing
B	1795.56	This is the conceptual one .	closing
B	1797.48	Um .	closing
B	1799.58	I think we've come up I think we've covered everything we need to here .	closing
B	1803.72	Um I think we've decided on what , you know , decided on standard items for most of um rubber and such , so we're now looking at the detailed design and what we need to be doing for the next meeting .	closing
B	1814.64	Um So for example , um I'll just start at the top , you've got yourself and the Industrial Designer gonna be working quite closely at this stage 'cause it'll be hard not to , obviously .	closing
B	1828.87	Um looking from prototyping of some des description using clay .	closing
B	1838.57	Um I suppose you'll be told a lot more about that as uh progress .	closing
B	1843.12	Um The user interface design , They're kind of it looks they're the idea I've pushed forward so far is maybe more of a physical one there , whereas possibly be more interested in maybe how the L_C_D_'s going to incorporate , do you think ?	look and usability closing
B	1862.99	Or do you s perceive that most the design design decisions still need to be based on the physical layout ?	look and usability
A	1863.05	Mm .	look and usability
A	1869.68	Um well I I think other than ge getting a sort of more aesthetically pleasing form for it , um mo most of the sort of layout design decisions are are made , I would say .	look and usability
A	1887.6	Um but then again , the um the menu structure to to a considerable extent that's gonna vary according to the model of television , and also any customisations that the user might wish to incorporate .	look and usability
A	1903.17	So um and one of the nice things about having an L_C_D_ and a menu structure is that there is that flexibility to it .	look and usability
B	1912.06	Mm-hmm , that's very true .	look and usability
B	1915.42	Um .	discussion
B	1918.03	Okay .	discussion
B	1919.6	Um got product evaluation as well .	discussion
C	1922.17	Yeah , you see I don't some of these things kinda logically follow the others .	discussion
B	1922.23	Um .	discussion
C	1927.5	How can t product evaluation , doesn't that come after actually seen a product prototype .	discussion
B	1933.7	I I think we'd be yeah , no , it'd be more a case of how do we envisage us performing the product evaluation once we have a model to test with .	discussion
C	1944.18	Oh , that's the okay , sure sure sure .	discussion
B	1945.76	Um so it'd be a case of do you think that just bringing users in to have them test it out , uh maybe putting a certain number of products into the field in certain places which I suppose is quite similar .	discussion
C	1955.88	Mm-hmm .	discussion
B	1957.58	Or just kind of hitting the streets and you know saying this is a new remote control , what do you think of the look of it ?	discussion
C	1964.22	Okay , sure .	discussion
B	1965.44	Um I think the target audience is pretty much anybody under the age of say maybe sixty or something ludicrous .	discussion user target group
C	1967.89	At this stage we still have no no target audience or 'Kay .	user target group
B	1981.73	Um the reason I'm saying that is we're just looking at a a replacement remote control , something that's stylish , so maybe you're even just maybe you're narrowing down your target audience simply by saying if they're buying it that often or they're maybe looking to replace something then , they've got a bit of free cash , so that puts them potentially in the younger age bracket .	user target group
C	1992.85	And it's stylish .	user target group
C	2002.5	Mm-hmm .	user target group
B	2003.43	Maybe even single , just for the reasons of um uh excess cash flow .	user target group
C	2008.97	Mm .	user target group
B	2010.86	Although of course I mean at twenty five Euros , I don't think we're looking at charging the earth for the uh device .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2015.07	Yep .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2015.68	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2016.16	Think that's well within the normal bracket .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2016.34	Okay .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2018.0	Um your idea of the U_S_B_ would I think would largely depend on the cost .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2023.42	U_S_B_'s definitely one of the cheapest interfaces out there , but it might push the cost of the overall unit up 'cause it would require not just the connection but the chip for communicating with the rest of the system .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2037.11	That one might have to be based on The the idea was that maybe it could connect up for um allowing a software interface on the P_C_ for a larger programming due to the fact that we've gone for such a nice , easy minimal design , normally .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2037.33	Programmable memory as well .	components, materials and energy sources
D	2039.17	The U_S_B_ for which ?	components, materials and energy sources
C	2040.66	For the remote control .	components, materials and energy sources
D	2047.62	Oh right , okay .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2054.66	We've w definitely talking some type of Different .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2055.0	Um .	components, materials and energy sources
D	2057.5	But didn't they just say it's just for T_V_ , or are we gonna Okay , yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2060.74	It's just for T_V_ , but for programming it to use your T_V_ , you might hook it up to the P_C_ .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2068.26	I I'm not sure , but I'm thinking maybe that the additional cost of the U_S_B_ might be prohibitive .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2074.31	Mm .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2074.34	We don't know unless it would make sense to .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2076.84	But you're gonna need some type of flash memory or something .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2076.91	Yeah , I mean it's Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2080.64	Well something that doesn't you wouldn't have to redo the whole thing once the batteries are changed , you know , once you turn off the power .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2085.33	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2086.23	The other thing I mean it I mean it would need to ha it would need to have um some sort of on board memory anyway .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2093.24	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2094.58	Um f for one for one thing because I do think that the menu system should be um uh I mean although you know , it's not going to be terribly complicated if it's just controlling one device , the menu system ought to be um o ought to be customisable and uh Mm-hmm .	look and usability
C	2113.12	Different languages , uh different skins and stuff like that .	look and usability
B	2115.93	Mm-hmm .	look and usability
B	2117.34	W It would make sense to .	look and usability
A	2117.53	How uh how uh how you want say the um the the menu structure for flicking through channels if you've got lots of channels .	look and usability
C	2125.38	Sure .	look and usability
C	2126.1	I if it was customisable as in different languages and stuff , that does open it is supposed to be international , right ?	look and usability
A	2126.17	That sort of thing .	look and usability
C	2131.96	So .	look and usability
C	2134.17	It would make sense if you could Okay .	look and usability
B	2134.6	I would say to .	look and usability
B	2135.85	Um and we'd better be careful about the time as well .	look and usability
B	2139.2	We've already had the five minute warning , so .	look and usability
B	2141.79	Um .	look and usability
B	2143.28	I would say yeah .	look and usability
B	2145.85	International would make sense .	look and usability
B	2147.67	Um you're gonna look at product evaluation .	closing
B	2150.05	I'm I'd better start writing up a hell of a lot of crap .	closing
B	2153.21	Um you're gonna look a bit more at the kind of the physical make up you say .	closing
B	2157.75	Um looks like we're gonna need a maybe a kind of prototype in clay .	closing
A	2158.02	Yeah .	closing
B	2163.14	Uh we'll see how that goes .	closing
B	2164.57	Um .	closing
A	2165.05	Are we going to be supplied with the clay is what I want to know .	closing
A	2167.86	Where is the clay ?	closing
B	2169.23	So um do I think we've got an idea of where we need to go for the next meeting , would you say ?	closing
C	2175.16	Yeah .	closing
A	2175.96	Mm-hmm .	closing
D	2176.44	they're going with the fashion thing , like the design , spongy rubber .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2179.41	The fruit and veg .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2181.42	This one .	components, materials and energy sources
D	2182.24	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2182.34	Mm .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2182.55	Yeah , I would s that would be my my feeling .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2185.29	I th I think I would largely want to actually steer clear of the whole sort of fruit and veg thing .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2191.19	Bu but um but the spongy idea I like .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2196.79	I like it a lot .	components, materials and energy sources
B	2197.87	We seem to have quite a general consensus that the idea of the the r rubber could be quite Yeah .	look and usability components, materials and energy sources
C	2197.88	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
C	2203.11	Yeah .	components, materials and energy sources
A	2203.99	I having it i having it sort of br bright yellow I think that's quite a good idea , though maybe we could have options for colours as well .	look and usability
C	2214.44	Yeah .	look and usability
A	2215.85	and again this has the advantage of being harder to lose .	look and usability
C	2219.28	Sure .	look and usability
C	2219.57	I mean we are trying to promote a remote control , but we wanna keep the company brand as well , so .	look and usability
A	2224.56	Mm-hmm .	look and usability
B	2225.32	So we always need to remember that somewhere we're meant to be getting the slogan on .	look and usability
B	2230.23	Possibly I'm think I'm not sure but I'm seeing a little bit of space around maybe the joystick area which could be used .	look and usability
A	2235.23	Mm .	look and usability
A	2236.92	Yeah .	look and usability
B	2236.99	Um .	look and usability
A	2237.48	I was like like I said before I I think we should have the R_R_ on the uh on the top function button .	look and usability
B	2245.62	Okay .	discussion
B	2246.67	And I think that says it all really .	discussion
C	2248.02	I think so too .	discussion
B	2249.43	Right .	discussion
B	2250.33	See everybody in a half hour .	discussion