As a rogue, I can't really do anything but kill people and demolishers in order to win the BG.

Distract, sap, stuns, peeling off healers, aoe poison debuffs (that still works, right?). Anything to scatter and un-focus the opposing forces =) Being able to aoe slow effects is amazing in many applications.

Actually, one of my favorite things in AB on my rogue used to be kiting some heavy-hitter from the flag when I saw a couple teammates heading down. Most BG players get so obsessed about chasing after someone for their HK that they easily forget about the goals of the game. Or they realize only too late that they just left two defending against three...

Man, I need to start PvP'ing more seriously again....

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As a rogue, I can't really do anything but kill people and demolishers in order to win the BG.

Distract, sap, stuns, peeling off healers, aoe poison debuffs (that still works, right?). Anything to scatter and un-focus the opposing forces =) Being able to aoe slow effects is amazing in many applications.

Actually, one of my favorite things in AB on my rogue used to be kiting some heavy-hitter from the flag when I saw a couple teammates heading down. Most BG players get so obsessed about chasing after someone for their HK that they easily forget about the goals of the game. Or they realize only too late that they just left two defending against three...

Man, I need to start PvP'ing more seriously again....

Distract doesn't work, but yes, locking down healers and peeling helps. In SotA though, which is the BG I was in, killing people is more productive since a lot of people will be carrying seaforium.

Got rejected from being social in a pvp guild. Not too bothered about it though. When I do get the shaman to 85 I don't think it will be a problem getting partners. Ofcourse the realm she is on is pretty bad for pvp, so may need to transfer anyway. See how that goes.

Oh, I get ya Theo. Just wanted to point out that dispersion of the enemy and adding confusion to their efforts could also be valuable.

Back on topic: Started working on the Conquest tabard (somewhat half-heartedly to be honest) and have discovered that I actually really enjoy IoC. As much as AB perhaps. Did I have a brain spasm?

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Call to Arms: Strand of the Ancients weekends are always fun for me, but the one two weeks back was just hilarious. I assembled a guild premade--we’re starting to prepare for the rated battlegrounds--and we ran SotA for many hours. We hoped to run into other premades: you don’t really learn anything from steamrolling PuGs. We were not disappointed.

But most of those premades were really bad at SotA. Not because they were bad at PVP, either--we were running into coordinated teams who knew how to chain CC, use LoS and focus people down, but couldn’t seem to get their head around the battleground. They’d kill us and kill us on the beach while we merrily rooted and CC’d them to peel them off the demolishers. Since we didn’t kill them, they didn’t respawn past the gates. Once the beach gates fell, it was all over--our shadowstep rogues were in position to cap the inner graveyards, so we had more tanks rolling up before the enemy could get off the beach.

I mean, god, they were using healers. What’s a healer going to do in SotA, heal a demolisher? I can dispel DoTs off a demolisher as easily in shadowform as in full holy, and that’s all you can really do for them directly. Better to be in full DPS spec to help vaporize vehicles on defense and control pursuers on offense. They were killing demolishers with no one in them! Thanks, pals, I can wait ten seconds for one to spawn at full health. Our team knew to DPS unoccupied demolishers to 10% of health and leave them. They were trying to kill the people attacking their demolishers! The damage I can do to that demolisher while you pew pew me will be plenty, friends, so thanks for not just frost trapping me here while it rolls majestically away.

Now on the other hand, the premades we fought who both knew how the BG worked and had PVP experience just creamed us. Few of my guildies have played arena beyond 2x2, so they’re still struggling with calling a switch and so on. We’re getting better, though, and learning things like how to run a good tankbusting squad and how to micromanage those critical first seconds at the docks.

I have no doubt that the people who dominate the rated battlegrounds will mostly be the people who dominate the arenas currently. But right now there’s a fair number of people who are too proud of their usual tactics to adapt, and while that lasts it’s going to be fun to plow them.

/shrug I don't have a DPS spec, and I heal in Strand. There's always empty space on a demolisher because there aren't enough ranged DPS and I stand up there and heal the people protecting it between smiting the people attacking it. I'm also good to have around when trying to take a gy.

The thing about when your class(es) are OP nothing feels like much of an accomplishment. Frost mage holy pally, if I went by what the o-boards said I'd think I'm the devil. Mages do a ton of damage right now and pally healing is insane. I just casually queue for BGs and kind of laugh at how crazy it is. I didn't die much before on these characters and liked to think I was half decent, so when you have that background and know the classes like the back of your hand, then they get massive buffs and all of a sudden you're OP its kind of fun for a while.

Fully expecting/anticipating nerfs, not a big deal to me. Haven't accomplished much in the way of PVP lately just grinding rep towards Conq on both.

Why do people, who obviously were together on the road leading up to UC, decide to come in one at a time?

Also people, it's not terrible if you actually let the enemy sit before blowing them to ****. =)

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My achievement for the week. I was hit for 95k damage by a Mage. I was trying to heal in SotA, the mage was a Passenger in a demo. I couldnt work out why people on my raid screen were being 1shot, then it was my turn. I checked recount and the chat log to see if MSBT had lied to me. It was 89435 damage, 4500 resisted. Alot overkill.

I have never seen an attack hit me for more than 30k before, 95k was just terrifying.

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My achievement for the week. I was hit for 95k damage by a Mage. I was trying to heal in SotA, the mage was a Passenger in a demo. I couldnt work out why people on my raid screen were being 1shot, then it was my turn. I checked recount and the chat log to see if MSBT had lied to me. It was 89435 damage, 4500 resisted. Alot overkill.

I have never seen an attack hit me for more than 30k before, 95k was just terrifying.

A good buddy of mine reactivated his account and logged into his warrior. I noticed he had almost enough honor for a wrathful piece to replace his green leveling chest, so he tried a few BGs. We had a good laugh at his attempts to kill stuff, but by far the funniest death was an arcane mage casually one-shotting him with arcane barrage; the 4 second cd instant cast ability (slightly over 16k crit, he has 15.8k hp).

I have a mage even when I deck out my PVE gear and go arcane with AP up and incanters absorbtion I dont see close to those numbers. I have seen 30k+ crits in a video by a mage better geared then I (watch the 137-0 AV video shows how hard 1 button spam is..) but he was nearly BiS PVE so I dont see how you go from 35k crits on no resil targets to 95k. Its almost too much damage for me to believe without a screenshot

Also to maintain 4 stack AB you have to basically spam a 2 second arcane cast or the buff falls off. Not saying the specs not doing OP damage right now but at the same time its pretty easy to avoid, ferals are a much bigger problem for me then arcane mages, with a little field awareness they are a complete non-issue for me. Healing in range of a demo? Bad idea no offense. Theres always ranged DPS in demos so unless you are burning one down why be in range?

I really wish I had taken a screen shot, I dont know why I didnt. This was before the Arcane Blast nerf obviously. I can only assume he had arcane power up, that 10% interrupt damage buff and any trinkets and procs active. I only had 50 resilience and no inbuilt damage reduction on myself.

I still have no idea how he reached 95k. The most annoying this was his name was Zytas with a little squiggly thing above the a so I have no idea how to armory him.

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That would have epic lol, but yeah I believe it anyways. It is crazy that anyone is 1 shotting people period, when I saw some full HP 1 shots in that AV video my jaw just dropped. And it was basically every crit was dropping someone. Not always from full health but crits were basically kills.

Somewhat accomplishment related, I think I decided on my 2 cata toons. I started an undead hunter, tons of fun. And the other will be goblin resto shaman. Already doing lots of PVP on my hunter practicing and setting up keybinds. Started him out as JC/engi, I'm throwing bombs all over WSG

I was doing Warsong Gulch with my 40ish Kitty druid today. I chose to stay in defense, foolishly relied on my team to attack. The game ended 3-0 to the Horde (I was Alliance). The Horde flag was never touched the whole match and I was the only person on the Alliance team to return a flag. I returned it seven ******* times on my own, and my team couldn't muster up the effort to even touch the Horde flag.

So my Accomplishment for today was finding one of the worst Battleground groups I've ever had the misfortune to play with. It included a Worgen Kitty who spent the entire Battleground swearing at everyone else for being useless even though he only managed 4.6k damage in 23 minutes.

Bah, Battlegrounds fill me with sweary words and rage.

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I won in Tol Barad today. Was weird because there aren't that many 85s to fill it up.

Seems like it will be better than WG.

I really doubt it. It's pretty broken if you're defending.

All you have to do is stack everyone at one tower and hope that your team doesn't suck and you win.

WG would have been far more balanced had they just used the queue system for TB in it (i.e. 1 for 1).

The only reason I won last night when attacking was because the Alliance had no idea what they were doing, so they split up.

Since the attackers have to hold all three bases, it's extremely hard to defend them if the other team is stacking everyone at one base and sending out 2-4 man raiding parties once your entire team is at the tower they're defending.

I do like the Siege Engines in TB, though. That's how they should have been in WG.

For the second week in a row I went into the arena to cap my CPs for the week. We won more matches than we lost. Yep, that counts as an accomplishment for me. BOW DOWN to my l33t 854 rating, suckers! :D Rating will only climb slowwwly for us because we're only playing enough matches to get our points.

Also got my first piece of Vicious gear, which is also my first equipped Cata epic. I was 17 points short of the staff (which I'm choosing over MH/OH), so I got the wand, which was the only other slot I had no PVP gear in. 717 points into next Tuesday I can pick up the staff.

I'm having a lot more fun doing arena with my priest than I was with my Paladin last time I tried arena, which was well over a year ago. Not a matter of which class is better, just which class I know better and feel more comfortable with.

Comfort/playstyle is EVERYTHING in my eyes. They could literally buff resto shamans to be 3x stronger then they are, nerf holy paladins, I'd still stick with holy because its what I know. I feel like I can play it with my eyes closed. Grats on the epic! I slacked on hitting 85 for like a good month so I'm way behind on the honor grind..havent even stepped into arena yet! I feel totally undergeared to spam trade chat looking for a partner, but I'm beasting in battlegrounds. If someone actually took a chance on an undergeared healer who claims to be good they might be in for a surprise. But you know how pugs work, if you dont have the l33t gearscorez nobody wants to talk to you. I haven't even done a rated BG yet for this reason.

No rush I'm having a good time honor grinding. Loving Alliance INSTANT queues and the new BGs utterly rock my socks off. Making AB and WSG clones was like the best thing I could have ever hoped for. Now if they would just remove IoC... =D

I tried a few rated BGs, can't say i'm too impressed. I prefer getting 6 arena wins a week to cap CP. I'm running holy and boosting a prot warrior friend. We obviously can't touch healers but it's amusing to see double dps try to hack through 170k hp, or chase me round pillars and feed me HP for free heals. The one exception was a team of two unholy DKs spamming necrotic strike, that was fun. Getting slowly killed by white attacks and pets as every single heal i cast was fully absorbed.

Mike, no guildies you can play with? The honor grind is soul-crushing this time around, for some reason. I honestly think you're better off just getting conquest points and gearing up in Vicious instead.

I LOVE rated BG's. For me, fighting over objectives will always be more fun than just straight-up fighting. That said, for my guild this is what you might call a "building season" :). When we can get a team together we always have a lot of fun, but we don't win enough to cap out CP's every week. While I don't love arena, I am having more fun with it than I expected, and knowing I can get my CP's there before rated BG night (and thus get honor in rated BG matches) takes the pressure off the battlegrounds.

Yeah I need to make more of an effort to play with people. I've been super casual lately I just hop on do a few BGs most days and logoff. But I do want to gradually get back into arena again, and rated BGs seem like they'd be really fun, I should look for a PVP guild or something.

I got jumped the last night on my druid, and the first thing I did was hit my Shadowfury keybind. Of course my druid doesn't have shadowfury, he actually has wild growth keybound there. Took me a minute to remember that.

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Only reason I died was because their healer (the druid targeted in the screenshot) was probably super ****** at me for constantly finding her and locking her down the whole game with shadow dance/smoke bomb.

Built a new computer and switched to ret! When I finish honor grinding and get my weapon I want to find a serious 3s team. I setup tons of arena macros and want to give it a shot, I think I can do better as ret then I've ever done as holy. Bursting people is fun. I surprise alot of frost mages. Have difficulties with warriors and some ferals. Still need way more gear I'm so far behind the curve right now. But I just treat it as if I were a fresh 85 who just dinged and now gearing up.

I need a weapon to put a chain on, I dont want to put one on my PVE weapon. But it sucks getting 10 second disarmed all the time. 2-3 more weeks assuming I get games in every week.

So it cost me 2k honor and a couple hundred gold but my rogue is now in full brutal gear with WotLK enchants. The resulting stats are quite scary to be honest.

ilevel: 143 13974 hp 44.27% crit 487 resi (32.23% damage reduction)

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Especially because Ambush still crits for 3.5-4k, 5cp evis for ~4k and backstab for 2-2.5k on equally geared players.

Oh yeah, and ambush getting another 60% crit chance from talents

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I remember doing some PvP on my Druid back in WotLK when he was Restoration. I had no PvP gear except for the trinket, but because I used Cyclone and Roots, I only died once. Not because I was being OP with healing and stuff, because the one time I did die, I dropped before I had any chance of healing myself back up.

Turns out CC is a bit of a myth in PUG PvP. Someone even commented me on how I might not have any PvP gear, but I sure knew how to PvP.

Enhanced my epeen a fair bit.

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People used to say i was good on my pally when i put blessing of protection on them in pug BGs lol. What's good is me shadowstep kicking heals or doing sap blind vanish sap combos on well geared players. Do people notice? No they just break my **** cc. Sub is still an endless amount of fun though. Nothing beats making a healer go into defensive self-preservation mode then in literally a split second transferring combo points and teleporting to the flag carrier to drop them in a flawlessly timed smoke bomb. SO GOOD.

There's a druid on Kazzak (Gladiator too I believe) who's name is Sighclone, you can't beat that.

Edit: And Shadowstep > Kick is one of those little things that make me feel totally awesome, along with shadowstepping hunters when they disengage because I know how **** that feels for the hunter.

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 1:30pm by Aethien

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I'm a belf right now because the toon had been sitting at 41-44 for about a year and was originally just made to **** around a bit. I've seriously considered going goblin though, the mobility or extra burst seems like it could come in handy and cooler than WotF.

I doubt I'll stay belf as I just forget about the silence too often for some reason.

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