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wprager

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LeKing wrote:

wprager wrote:The Bruins don't have any top-end talent? They got Chara as a UFA -- I'd consider him top-end talent. We can never attract players like that without tremendous overpayment (just from an income tax point of view).

They have Seguin, who was a 2nd overall pick -- that is where we got Spezza and haven't been close since. Rask is a goalie and you can almost never predict those (which is why none were taken in the 1st round this year). But we've got Lehner who (we hope) will be a top-end talent in a couple years.

The Bruins lucked out on a few players (Krejci and Bergeron) and that is another place where we can hope to emulate them. One of our many, many prospects may end up becoming a 30+ goal scorer. No guarantees, though, especially of getting *two* such players.

Top line talent, not top-end talent. THe argument was about forwards. Do you see any PPG forward on that roster?

LeCaptain

wprager wrote:The Bruins don't have any top-end talent? They got Chara as a UFA -- I'd consider him top-end talent. We can never attract players like that without tremendous overpayment (just from an income tax point of view).

They have Seguin, who was a 2nd overall pick -- that is where we got Spezza and haven't been close since. Rask is a goalie and you can almost never predict those (which is why none were taken in the 1st round this year). But we've got Lehner who (we hope) will be a top-end talent in a couple years.

The Bruins lucked out on a few players (Krejci and Bergeron) and that is another place where we can hope to emulate them. One of our many, many prospects may end up becoming a 30+ goal scorer. No guarantees, though, especially of getting *two* such players.

Top line talent, not top-end talent. THe argument was about forwards. Do you see any PPG forward on that roster?

And the Bruins are well known to not score a lot and rely on defensive play, so I don't see why you thought the discussion was about forwards, only.

Krejci and Horton are not a top line talent. Cmon now, would you put them in the same category as Getzlaf, PErry, Kane, Spezza, Kopitar, etc? They have amazing chemistry with each other that's why they are tough to beat. Savard was a top line talent. He had over PPG for 3 straight years in Boston.

And yes the discussion was about forwards, because that's how you started it:

Will any of them develop into that top-six left winger that we need right now, or that 1LC that we will need in 3-4 years?

rooneypoo

wprager wrote:The Bruins don't have any top-end talent? They got Chara as a UFA -- I'd consider him top-end talent. We can never attract players like that without tremendous overpayment (just from an income tax point of view).

They have Seguin, who was a 2nd overall pick -- that is where we got Spezza and haven't been close since. Rask is a goalie and you can almost never predict those (which is why none were taken in the 1st round this year). But we've got Lehner who (we hope) will be a top-end talent in a couple years.

The Bruins lucked out on a few players (Krejci and Bergeron) and that is another place where we can hope to emulate them. One of our many, many prospects may end up becoming a 30+ goal scorer. No guarantees, though, especially of getting *two* such players.

Top line talent, not top-end talent. THe argument was about forwards. Do you see any PPG forward on that roster?

And the Bruins are well known to not score a lot and rely on defensive play, so I don't see why you thought the discussion was about forwards, only.

You over think really simple things. The point is, none of the guys in BOS's top 6-9 produce 80+ point a year, which would make them PPG players. As for "why he thought the discussion was about forwards only," that' probably because Leking said specifically "top LINE talent" because he was making a point about BOS's forwards.

wprager

wprager wrote:The Bruins don't have any top-end talent? They got Chara as a UFA -- I'd consider him top-end talent. We can never attract players like that without tremendous overpayment (just from an income tax point of view).

They have Seguin, who was a 2nd overall pick -- that is where we got Spezza and haven't been close since. Rask is a goalie and you can almost never predict those (which is why none were taken in the 1st round this year). But we've got Lehner who (we hope) will be a top-end talent in a couple years.

The Bruins lucked out on a few players (Krejci and Bergeron) and that is another place where we can hope to emulate them. One of our many, many prospects may end up becoming a 30+ goal scorer. No guarantees, though, especially of getting *two* such players.

Top line talent, not top-end talent. THe argument was about forwards. Do you see any PPG forward on that roster?

And the Bruins are well known to not score a lot and rely on defensive play, so I don't see why you thought the discussion was about forwards, only.

Krejci and Horton are not a top line talent. Cmon now, would you put them in the same category as Getzlaf, PErry, Kane, Spezza, Kopitar, etc? They have amazing chemistry with each other that's why they are tough to beat. Savard was a top line talent. He had over PPG for 3 straight years in Boston.

And yes the discussion was about forwards, because that's how you started it:

Will any of them develop into that top-six left winger that we need right now, or that 1LC that we will need in 3-4 years?

Disagree. Krejci is a top-line player. Horton, if not for his injuries, would be one, too. But he's out of the picture and didn't contribute much. Seguin -- whom you conveniently ignored -- is a 2nd overall pick. Too early to tell how he will develop, but we haven't had a top-2 since Spezza. And that's a fact.

And just because I was wondering if any of our many prospects would develop into forwards doesn't mean the discussion is about forwards only. You win as a team. If you strength is on the back-end then you put less emphasis on the front end, that's all. Right now we are one injury away from battling for a playoff spot. Our top-pairing is great but after that it could certainly be better (Cowen is *not* yet the stud we hope he will become, Gryba was a surprise but he certainly would not be playing the minutes he did this year if not for injuries and complete lack of RHS D-men, Wiercioch needs to add 20 lbs to become more than just a good passer, Phillips is showing his age and "love of beer". If not for Anderson/Lehner/Bishop our D would have been exposed for its mediocrity (beyond the top-pairing, half of which was MIA for most of the season).

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LeCaptain

I agree Seguin is a top line talent. But as far as getting the cup, he was probably their 6/7th most important forward. So, to get back to the original point, you can win a cup without a legitimate top line forward if you have 7/8 great top 6 guys.

rooneypoo

LeKing wrote:I agree Seguin is a top line talent. But as far as getting the cup, he was probably their 6/7th most important forward. So, to get back to the original point, you can win a cup without a legitimate top line forward if you have 7/8 great top 6 guys.

.. with none of them being "PPG" players in the traditional sense, i.e., the Stamkoses, Crosbys, and Malkins of the NHL, who put up PPG+ year after year.

The point is so very simple, and simply true, and I can't understand how it could be so misunderstood.

LeCaptain

LeKing wrote:I agree Seguin is a top line talent. But as far as getting the cup, he was probably their 6/7th most important forward. So, to get back to the original point, you can win a cup without a legitimate top line forward if you have 7/8 great top 6 guys.

.. with none of them being "PPG" players in the traditional sense, i.e., the Stamkoses, Crosbys, and Malkins of the NHL, who put up PPG+ year after year.

The point is so very simple, and simply true, and I can't understand how it could be so misunderstood.

and I find it amazing they completely shut down the 2 best forwards in the game. 0 pts combined, who would have thought that?

To get back to the draft, http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=261278

Tim Murray is now saying that Lazar was in the list of players they thought was a long shot to fall into their lap. So in their top 11 if what was reported before the draft was true.

NEELY

Lazar is such a safe, solid pick. He could very well be the Sens Bergeron for a long time. Even if they put him on the wing he can up the physicality of the team along with Noesen and make the corners in other teams zone hell for defense.

Decent draft for the Sens for sure because of the depth they already have, just picked guys that they think have a chance one way or another and hope they surpass what they believe they can be.

PTFlea

Went back to read some of TSN's mock draft write ups and they have Lazar as the 3rd best forward defensively and the top player in the draft in terms of character. They also said they think he'd excel at the wing.

rooneypoo

SpezDispenser wrote:Went back to read some of TSN's mock draft write ups and they have Lazar as the 3rd best forward defensively and the top player in the draft in terms of character. They also said they think he'd excel at the wing.

Great pick.

The more I read about him, the more he sounds like a Mike Fisher clone who can player either C or wing. Sounds pretty good to me.

wprager

LeKing wrote:I agree Seguin is a top line talent. But as far as getting the cup, he was probably their 6/7th most important forward. So, to get back to the original point, you can win a cup without a legitimate top line forward if you have 7/8 great top 6 guys.

*And* one of the best D in the league *and* an MVP in goal.

_________________Hey, I don't have all the answers. In life, to be honest, I've failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my wife. I love my life. And I wish you my kind of success. - Dicky Fox

LeCaptain

LeKing wrote:I agree Seguin is a top line talent. But as far as getting the cup, he was probably their 6/7th most important forward. So, to get back to the original point, you can win a cup without a legitimate top line forward if you have 7/8 great top 6 guys.

Flo The Action

I have to agree with marakh, I think the organization is molding the team more and more like Boston but with a Detroit style of coaching with maybe more finesse. on paper it sounds like a an amazing combination. we'll be able to outplay in puck possession and grit. so steal the puck and keep it. if everything goes well this team is going to be off the chart in 2-3 years. hopefully we'll be able to keep all our essential pieces. The only question mark down the road for me is spezza, do injuries becoming too much of a problem or does he stay with the team past this contract. at his age he'll be past getting a raise(most likely be in the situation Lecavalier is in right now which leaves us with a 1a 1b in spezza turris)

I still have to warm up to Lazar personally but i understand what they are trying to do. get a character guy that can score and hold the third line possibly play on the 2nd at times and hopefully bring in 20 goals from those positions. kind of like where Mike fisher should of been instead of being relied on as a 2nd line center.still i'll be keeping tabs on him this year to see how his development progresses as apparently he's supposed to become the go to guy in edmonton. he's said he's gonna be able to show his offensive side of the game even more. should be interesting.

PTFlea

I think this is one of the best put together teams in the league. Remember, when Murray took over, Muckler the Tool had let Chara walk, so that's a massive step backward. He's since positioned this team to take massive steps forward in the next 5 years.