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A new leader. For the Liberal Party, I mean. Same thread, different title. We'll all still be whinging about how the government is screwing people over. Turnbull has already announced that he won't be changing Liberal Party policy on climate change, refugees or gay marriage. Those are the only three issues I really care about anyway.

__________________Self-described nerd.

My mom told me she tries never to make fun of people for not knowing something.
- Randall Munroe

News that Senator Ian Macdonald told a fellow senator, Doug Cameron, to “learn to speak Australian” on Wednesday because of his Scottish accent took me right back to the torment in the playground in 1983 when my family relocated from Scotland to the southern tablelands of NSW.

The speed of the first act of treachery against this country's fifth prime minister in as many years may be a record, but it is hardly a surprise.
If a Labor prime minister can be targeted by traitors on the eve of an election, a Liberal one can undermined from within on his second full day in the job.

It's a sign that the government is not making improvements to the existing legislation.

New legislation also includes updates to existing legislation. Both State and Federal Liberal parties have campaigned on legislative reform in the form of reducing red tape.

Not to mention the fact that we need new legislation dealing with the Internet, such as updated privacy, property and taxation laws that did not predict the emergence of social media, peer-to-peer networks and e-Commerce.

Oh and emergent economic problems such as climate change, foreign ownership of agricultural land, energy, and the decline of the manufacturing sector.

So there were plenty of things that Tony's cabinet could have fixed but being typical conservatives they failed to make progress.

Indeed. I wonder what Tone will do now. Surely resign and take up, what? His previous occupation was allegedly a journalist. News Ltd hack? He'd be in good company. Some conservative Think Tank job?

Whatever, as a person of influence, he's finished.

"Think" and "Tony Abbott" don't go together in the same sentence. In fact, not in the same building.

__________________...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015

__________________"Here we go again.... semantic and syntactic chicanery and sophistic sleight of tongue and pen.... the bedazzling magic of appearing to be saying something when in fact all that is happening is diverting attention from the attempts at shoving god through the trapdoor of illogic and wishful thinking." - Leumas

Perhaps this is one of those "bitter character assassinations" he compained about, but it rings true to me.

__________________The non-theoretical character of metaphysics would not be in itself a defect; all arts have this non-theoretical character without thereby losing their high value for personal as well as for social life. The danger lies in the deceptive character of metaphysics; it gives the illusion of knowledge without actually giving any knowledge. This is the reason why we reject it. - Rudolf Carnap "Philosophy and Logical Syntax"

Governments always make good laws? Wow. Next you will be saying that politicians act in the public interest.

You must be reading-impaired.

I did not say--and did not imply--that governments always make good laws.

Governments have plenty of reason to enact a large amount of new legislation; our current laws are heavily flawed or outdated in may respects. It cannot possibly be a good thing for a government to pass relatively little legislation, because it means that they are either satisfied with the status quo or they are too incompetent to make improvements.

Amendments and updates of existing legislation are not evidence that governments make improvements to existing legislation. Your presumption that all amendments to legislation are improvements (or good laws) is not justified.

__________________"The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled. Where something so important is involved, a deeper mystery seems only decent." - Galbraith, 1975

Amendments and updates of existing legislation are not evidence that governments make improvements to existing legislation. Your presumption that all amendments to legislation are improvements (or good laws) is not justified.

it's funny, left wingers like myself could see themselves voting for liberals with him in charge..... but.....a lot of serious liberal voters are hoping mad.
Speaking personally Abbott made my skin crawl...

As expected, turfing Tony Abbott out and replacing him Malcolm Turnbull has proved to be a godsend for Andrew Hastie who was previously expected to win the Canning by-election only by a narrow margin (if at all). The expected swing of 10% has been reduced to less than 7% and given him a comfortable victory.

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With 52 of 56 polling places returned, Mr Hastie held 54.95 per cent of the two-party preferred vote to Labor's Matt Keogh on 45.05, a swing of 6.86 per cent to Labor.

As expected, turfing Tony Abbott out and replacing him Malcolm Turnbull has proved to be a godsend for Andrew Hastie who was previously expected to win the Canning by-election only by a narrow margin (if at all). The expected swing of 10% has been reduced to less than 7% and given him a comfortable victory.

And Labor should. Having the likes of Leyonhjlem, Lambie, the Brick with Eyes, Wang and the other Independent idiots makes the Upper House a laughing stock.

Oh yes, because people like Cory Bernardi, Michaela Cash, Eric Abetz, and a host of other factional riff-raff and nobodies from both sides really bring a huge deal of gravitas to the place.

__________________i loves the little birdies they goes tweet tweet tweet hee hee i loves them they sings to each other tweet twet tweet hee hee i loves them they is so cute i love yje little birdies little birdies in the room when birfies sings ther is no gloom i lobes the little birdies they goess tweet tweet tweet hee hee hee i loves them they sings me to sleep sing me to slrrp now little birdies - The wisdom of Shemp.

Christ will you stop this idiotic stalking of me? I was talking about independents. I've previously posted about stupid politicians of other parties. Grow up.

Replying to you in 2 threads in the same section in 2 days isn't stalking. Perhaps the person making personal attacks and strange accusations is the one who should grow up. Food for thought.

__________________i loves the little birdies they goes tweet tweet tweet hee hee i loves them they sings to each other tweet twet tweet hee hee i loves them they is so cute i love yje little birdies little birdies in the room when birfies sings ther is no gloom i lobes the little birdies they goess tweet tweet tweet hee hee hee i loves them they sings me to sleep sing me to slrrp now little birdies - The wisdom of Shemp.

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