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Obviously Star Wars. The technology would be highly advanced because blasters were invented before ANYTHING in Halo was invented, therefore they would be more advanced. They say you can’t be invincible, but being technologically advanced by over a million years than the opposition practically IS being invincible. Suck on that Halo. Also, the Jedi would crush any army when they had millions of years to hone their skills of the force, the death star could be rebuilt, WITHOUT being vulnerable to a cocky young man in an X-wing, therefore we could destroy any planet that the opposition own. I may not know much about Halo, but I am a Star Wars GOD. SUCK ON THAT HALO FANS.

> *Originally posted by **[kelt44](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=56#posts-6399941):***
>
> Obviously Star Wars. The technology would be highly advanced because blasters were invented before ANYTHING in Halo was invented, therefore they would be more advanced. They say you can’t be invincible, but being technologically advanced by over a million years than the opposition practically IS being invincible. Suck on that Halo. Also, the Jedi would crush any army when they had millions of years to hone their skills of the force, the death star could be rebuilt, WITHOUT being vulnerable to a cocky young man in an X-wing, therefore we could destroy any planet that the opposition own. I may not know much about Halo, but I am a Star Wars GOD. SUCK ON THAT HALO FANS.
Really? Scientific advance in the wars universe?
Maybe before the republic. Maybe after the fall of the empire. but not during the time covered and mentioned during the core cannon of the movies. oh, a few improvements are made here and there, but nothing fundamental untill the yuzan vong (spellling?) show up with singularity weapons.
the problem is, the republic and empire have a very poor scientific attitude, and a poor understanding of their own technologies, resulting in no ftl improvement, only limited improvements in weaponry, a loss of sheild technologies, a distinct lack of metalurgical insight, and an industrial capacity that spirals into ever larger but weaker ships.
last but not least: their computers and targetting scanners have always, and will always leave, much to be desired.
1. General scientific attitude: (poor)
“If it isn’t in the archives then it doesn’t exist”-while she _might_ have been refering exclusively to planets and stars, I find that unlikely. If she had been, why wouldn’t she have said “If a STAR isn’t in our archives, then it doesn’t exist”?-unless she believed that EVERYTHING had already been discovered.
2. FTL: (static)
Due to the awfull minute in which a certain smuggler treats “parsec” like a unit of time, and a few other factors, it is nearly impossible to directly determine whether FTL gets better, or worse, during the course of the movies.
We are thus forced into lesser cannon…most of which says that wars FTL is tied to the force in some fashion, is poorly understood by all engineers, and simply cannot be improved upon, except possibly by a particularly powerfull force-user, generally a Sith or uber Sith. Did I mention…it might just be restricted to the one galaxy?
3. Weaponry (superficial advances)
weaponry is one of the few things to have improved during the time of the empire. However, nearly all the improvements took the form of building a BIGGER gun, not a more compact gun with the same firepower. Matter of fact, it’s very possible the death star’s method of destroying planets relies more on anti-gravity than anything else; even so, it requir
es a massive device, and the second death star is bigger, not smaller.
Other weapons appear to have the same firepower for a given size between the republic and empire.
4. Shielding (loss of technology)
loss of compact technology occured. no significant developments in large-scale sheilds; death star more or less as big as they get.
While fighting the second death star, nobody even tried to overwhelm the groundside station via orbital bombardment, suggesting a very strong sheild. But during the battle with the first death star, a single shot from a fighter is able to cause an explostion in an occupied corridor, and fighters destroy a number of turrets on the surface of the death star. Substantial advancement? If so, why didn’t the emporer have backup sheilds installed on the death star already?
I conclude that to make a wars sheild strong, you have to attach it to a planet or moon, and then protect any object OTHER than the planet or moon it’s attached to, because you need something to dump the vibrations into. (maybe the harmonics will always be resonant with the object you’re trying to sheild or something. point is, that type of sheild cannot be put onto a ship).
meanwhile, small-scale sheilds were, quite simply, lost. Sheilded droids? poof. personal sheilds? Never seen in the entire series, as far as I can tell. Those sheilds used by the gungans? poof.
5. Industrial technlogies and capacity (goes down the drain)
At first, it looks like industrial technologies improve throughout-after all, the empire uses ever bigger ships as time goes on!
But it’s an illusion. An illusion created by switching to ever weaker materials as the machinary and infrastructure falls apart behind the scenes.
If star destroyers were built of the same material as the typical republic era ship, they should have roughly twice as much maneuverability as they actually do. If they were built out of a stronger material, they should have even more maneuverability. They don’t. They’re sitting ducks for f\*n asteroids…which is yet anoter sign they’re made of substandard materials.
As for the second death star being bigger than the second? Rougly speaking, that big death star would have been about 3 or 4 small when finished, and had the material for 1 or two small death stars already present.
Assuming that industrial capacity remained the same, the emperor could’ve easily lured the rebels to an unfinished “death star” with only enough firepower to dent another death star (which is presumably sufficient to destroy rebel ships in one shot each), left ANYBODY in charge of it, then showed up with the REAL death star if the original plan went south. Or even just to panick the rebels.
But he didn’t. I conclude that he didn’t…because he couldn’t; he had to use a less efficient set of materials for the weapons, because the empire had run out of supplies. with less efficient materials, an even bigger death star was required just to house the weapon. before it finished, the tools started breaking.
Point is, the industrial capacity of the empire was pushed to the limits to maintain an illusion of effectiveness, but wound up collapsing around the emporer.
scanners and computers:
The asteroid that smacked into the star destroyer. The line “that’s impossible, even for a computer”. Sure, they have droids, but it’s rather obvious that the only truly intelligent droids come from the era of the republic-namely, r2-d2 and c-3po.
(side note: i’m not really sure how they even HAVE semi-sentient droids when their computers can’t hit a 6-meter target at the end of a canyon. Maybe all their droids are from the era of the republic. )
Republic era aim may not have been much better, but it was better.
If they don’t have very good computers anymore, is it any wonder they aren’t able to improve their technology?
Tldr: the wars universe is technologically stagnant, therefore the duration of the republic is insufficient grounds to declare a victory for the wars universe.

> *Originally posted by **[fractalman](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=56#posts-6401609):***
> > *Originally posted by **[kelt44](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=56#posts-6399941):***
> >
> > Obviously Star Wars. The technology would be highly advanced because blasters were invented before ANYTHING in Halo was invented, therefore they would be more advanced. They say you can’t be invincible, but being technologically advanced by over a million years than the opposition practically IS being invincible. Suck on that Halo. Also, the Jedi would crush any army when they had millions of years to hone their skills of the force, the death star could be rebuilt, WITHOUT being vulnerable to a cocky young man in an X-wing, therefore we could destroy any planet that the opposition own. I may not know much about Halo, but I am a Star Wars GOD. SUCK ON THAT HALO FANS.
>
> Really? Scientific advance in the wars universe?
>
> Maybe before the republic. Maybe after the fall of the empire. but not during the time covered and mentioned during the core cannon of the movies. oh, a few improvements are made here and there, but nothing fundamental untill the yuzan vong (spellling?) show up with singularity weapons.
>
> the problem is, the republic and empire have a very poor scientific attitude, and a poor understanding of their own technologies, resulting in no ftl improvement, only limited improvements in weaponry, a loss of sheild technologies, a distinct lack of metalurgical insight, and an industrial capacity that spirals into ever larger but weaker ships.
> last but not least: their computers and targetting scanners have always, and will always leave, much to be desired.
>
> 1. General scientific attitude: (poor)
> “If it isn’t in the archives then it doesn’t exist”-while she _might_ have been refering exclusively to planets and stars, I find that unlikely. If she had been, why wouldn’t she have said “If a STAR isn’t in our archives, then it doesn’t exist”?-unless she believed that EVERYTHING had already been discovered.
>
> 2. FTL: (static)
> Due to the awfull minute in which a certain smuggler treats “parsec” like a unit of time, and a few other factors, it is nearly impossible to directly determine whether FTL gets better, or worse, during the course of the movies.
>
> We are thus forced into lesser cannon…most of which says that wars FTL is tied to the force in some fashion, is poorly understood by all engineers, and simply cannot be improved upon, except possibly by a particularly powerfull force-user, generally a Sith or uber Sith. Did I mention…it might just be restricted to the one galaxy?
>
> 3. Weaponry (superficial advances)
> weaponry is one of the few things to have improved during the time of the empire. However, nearly all the improvements took the form of building a BIGGER gun, not a more compact gun with the same firepower. Matter of fact, it’s very possible the death star’s method of destroying planets relies more on anti-gravity than anything else; even so, it requir
> es a massive device, and the second death star is bigger, not smaller.
>
> Other weapons appear to have the same firepower for a given size between the republic and empire.
>
> 4. Shielding (loss of technology)
> loss of compact technology occured. no significant developments in large-scale sheilds; death star more or less as big as they get.
>
> While fighting the second death star, nobody even tried to overwhelm the groundside station via orbital bombardment, suggesting a very strong sheild. But during the battle with the first death star, a single shot from a fighter is able to cause an explostion in an occupied corridor, and fighters destroy a number of turrets on the surface of the death star. Substantial advancement? If so, why didn’t the emporer have backup sheilds installed on the death star already?
>
> I conclude that to make a wars sheild strong, you have to attach it to a planet or moon, and then protect any object OTHER than the planet or moon it’s attached to, because you need something to dump the vibrations into. (maybe the harmonics will always be resonant with the object you’re trying to sheild or something. point is, that type of sheild cannot be put onto a ship).
>
> meanwhile, small-scale sheilds were, quite simply, lost. Sheilded droids? poof. personal sheilds? Never seen in the entire series, as far as I can tell. Those sheilds used by the gungans? poof.
>
> 5. Industrial technlogies and capacity (goes down the drain)
> At first, it looks like industrial technologies improve throughout-after all, the empire uses ever bigger ships as time goes on!
> But it’s an illusion. An illusion created by switching to ever weaker materials as the machinary and infrastructure falls apart behind the scenes.
>
> If star destroyers were built of the same material as the typical republic era ship, they should have roughly twice as much maneuverability as they actually do. If they were built out of a stronger material, they should have even more maneuverability. They don’t. They’re sitting ducks for f\*n asteroids…which is yet anoter sign they’re made of substandard materials.
>
> As for the second death star being bigger than the second? Rougly speaking, that big death star would have been about 3 or 4 small when finished, and had the material for 1 or two small death stars already present.
>
> Assuming that industrial capacity remained the same, the emperor could’ve easily lured the rebels to an unfinished “death star” with only enough firepower to dent another death star (which is presumably sufficient to destroy rebel ships in one shot each), left ANYBODY in charge of it, then showed up with the REAL death star if the original plan went south. Or even just to panick the rebels.
> But he didn’t. I conclude that he didn’t…because he couldn’t; he had to use a less efficient set of materials for the weapons, because the empire had run out of supplies. with less efficient materials, an even bigger death star was required just to house the weapon. before it finished, the tools started breaking.
>
> Point is, the industrial capacity of the empire was pushed to the limits to maintain an illusion of effectiveness, but wound up collapsing around the emporer.
>
> scanners and computers:
> The asteroid that smacked into the star destroyer. The line “that’s impossible, even for a computer”. Sure, they have droids, but it’s rather obvious that the only truly intelligent droids come from the era of the republic-namely, r2-d2 and c-3po.
> (side note: i’m not really sure how they even HAVE semi-sentient droids when their computers can’t hit a 6-meter target at the end of a canyon. Maybe all their droids are from the era of the republic. )
> Republic era aim may not have been much better, but it was better.
>
> If they don’t have very good computers anymore, is it any wonder they aren’t able to improve their technology?
>
> Tldr: the wars universe is technologically stagnant, therefore the duration of the republic is insufficient grounds to declare a victory for the wars universe.
Ahem. 1. Those are words of an old,hubristic librarian. One person. You forget the large amounts of smugglers and explorers who scour the galaxy
2.Semi Valid,My only argument is that Han may have been lying,He also isn’t the brightest star in the galaxy if you know what I mean
3.The Death Star’s Laser broke the crust of the planet and heated the core to the point where enough energy was released to destroy the planet,The Death Star also had unimaginable numbers of turbolaser banks and other defenses, Rebel ships had excellent pilots,even then they took heavy losses. You would be surprised to see how much development went into weapons. Its not like during the clone wars everyone said “WELP, I GUESS ARE GUNS ARE GUD ENUF. HERP A DERP” They were ships from the same era fighting each other,So obviously they will be on par with each other ,but if a Venator took on A Star Destroyer,The Star destroyer would win hands down!
4.It was UNDER CONSTRUCTION. You have never seen a droideka? IF you saw gungan shields YOU PROBABLY SAW A DROIDEKA IN THE MOVIE.
5.Still the CIS and Banking clan can turn out BILLIONS of droids and Last time I checked,Durasteel was strong enough to comprise nearly everything in the Galaxy.Also,A UNSC Ship would fair worse in asteroids due to its lack of shielding. Also,You have never seen a Star Destroyer move at full speed. If a captain went at full speed into asteroids,IT would essentially destroy any ship. More importantly, You cant throw asteroids so why are you acting like the Halo ships would do better inside a cloud of debris?
6.You know alot,but apparently you forgot to admit that the nav computers on a ship can plot a course in a MILLISECOND that would take it half way across the galaxy. Not only that but Like I said, The Star Wars saga spans Hundreds Of Billions of Years, The Halo universe currently only in about 2558 or 2600.
Also,If the space forces of the Star Wars Universe are as bad as you say, I can still shoot down your ships with shots from my hypervelocity gun or my Ion cannon,Or even my planetary turbo laser, They may have a Limited window of fire,But chances are my base is around it,And your ships would come nicely into range if you wanted to provide orbital support.
Also,Mac Platforms are only built over occupied planets due to their MASSIVE power requirements,In a space battle over my turf,They are USELESS.
And If you get past that, The Republic’s SPHA-T Can just blast em out of the sky!
And Droids NO MATTER WHAT cannot be taken over by the flood,Even if you managed to take out EVERY LIVING THING IN THE STAR WARS GALAXY,The Factory Worlds can still Pump out BILLIONS of droids.Literally, We would win via tech or Attrition.
I love Halo and Star Wars,But The Star Wars tech is EONS past Halo’s

> *Originally posted by **[ForTheCity](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=56#posts-6437841):***
>
> can’t believe this is still going on.
shhh...i'm honing my argumentative skills for my philosophy in law class.
> *Originally posted by **[madnessfan01](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=56#posts-6424663):***
> > *Originally posted by **[fractalman](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=56#posts-6401609):***
> > > *Originally posted by **[kelt44](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=56#posts-6399941):***
> > >
> > > Obviously Star Wars. The technology would be highly advanced because blasters were invented before ANYTHING in Halo was invented, therefore they would be more advanced. They say you can’t be invincible, but being technologically advanced by over a million years than the opposition practically IS being invincible. Suck on that Halo. Also, the Jedi would crush any army when they had millions of years to hone their skills of the force, the death star could be rebuilt, WITHOUT being vulnerable to a cocky young man in an X-wing, therefore we could destroy any planet that the opposition own. I may not know much about Halo, but I am a Star Wars GOD. SUCK ON THAT HALO FANS.
> >
> > Really? Scientific advance in the wars universe?
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe before the republic. Maybe after the fall of the empire. but not during the time covered and mentioned during the core cannon of the movies. oh, a few improvements are made here and there, but nothing fundamental untill the yuzan vong (spellling?) show up with singularity weapons.
> >
> >
> >
> > the problem is, the republic and empire have a very poor scientific attitude, and a poor understanding of their own technologies, resulting in no ftl improvement, only limited improvements in weaponry, a loss of sheild technologies, a distinct lack of metalurgical insight, and an industrial capacity that spirals into ever larger but weaker ships.
> >
> > last but not least: their computers and targetting scanners have always, and will always leave, much to be desired.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. General scientific attitude: (poor)
> >
> > “If it isn’t in the archives then it doesn’t exist”-while she _might_ have been refering exclusively to planets and stars, I find that unlikely. If she had been, why wouldn’t she have said “If a STAR isn’t in our archives, then it doesn’t exist”?-unless she believed that EVERYTHING had already been discovered.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. FTL: (static)
> >
> > Due to the awfull minute in which a certain smuggler treats “parsec” like a unit of time, and a few other factors, it is nearly impossible to directly determine whether FTL gets better, or worse, during the course of the movies.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are thus forced into lesser cannon…most of which says that wars FTL is tied to the force in some fashion, is poorly understood by all engineers, and simply cannot be improved upon, except possibly by a particularly powerfull force-user, generally a Sith or uber Sith. Did I mention…it might just be restricted to the one galaxy?
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. Weaponry (superficial advances)
> >
> > weaponry is one of the few things to have improved during the time of the empire. However, nearly all the improvements took the form of building a BIGGER gun, not a more compact gun with the same firepower. Matter of fact, it’s very possible the death star’s method of destroying planets relies more on anti-gravity than anything else; even so, it requir
> >
> > es a massive device, and the second death star is bigger, not smaller.
> >
> >
> >
> > Other weapons appear to have the same firepower for a given size between the republic and empire.
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. Shielding (loss of technology)
> >
> > loss of compact technology occured. no significant developments in large-scale sheilds; death star more or less as big as they get.
> >
> >
> >
> > While fighting the second death star, nobody even tried to overwhelm the groundside station via orbital bombardment, suggesting a very strong sheild. But during the battle with the first death star, a single shot from a fighter is able to cause an explostion in an occupied corridor, and fighters destroy a number of turrets on the surface of the death star. Substantial advancement? If so, why didn’t the emporer have backup sheilds installed on the death star already?
> >
> >
> >
> > I conclude that to make a wars sheild strong, you have to attach it to a planet or moon, and then protect any object OTHER than the planet or moon it’s attached to, because you need something to dump the vibrations into. (maybe the harmonics will always be resonant with the object you’re trying to sheild or something. point is, that type of sheild cannot be put onto a ship).
> >
> >
> >
> > meanwhile, small-scale sheilds were, quite simply, lost. Sheilded droids? poof. personal sheilds? Never seen in the entire series, as far as I can tell. Those sheilds used by the gungans? poof.
> >
> >
> >
> > 5. Industrial technlogies and capacity (goes down the drain)
> >
> > At first, it looks like industrial technologies improve throughout-after all, the empire uses ever bigger ships as time goes on!
> >
> > But it’s an illusion. An illusion created by switching to ever weaker materials as the machinary and infrastructure falls apart behind the scenes.
> >
> >
> >
> > If star destroyers were built of the same material as the typical republic era ship, they should have roughly twice as much maneuverability as they actually do. If they were built out of a stronger material, they should have even more maneuverability. They don’t. They’re sitting ducks for f\*n asteroids…which is yet anoter sign they’re made of substandard materials.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the second death star being bigger than the second? Rougly speaking, that big death star would have been about 3 or 4 small when finished, and had the material for 1 or two small death stars already present.
> >
> >
> >
> > Assuming that industrial capacity remained the same, the emperor could’ve easily lured the rebels to an unfinished “death star” with only enough firepower to dent another death star (which is presumably sufficient to destroy rebel ships in one shot each), left ANYBODY in charge of it, then showed up with the REAL death star if the original plan went south. Or even just to panick the rebels.
> >
> > But he didn’t. I conclude that he didn’t…because he couldn’t; he had to use a less efficient set of materials for the weapons, because the empire had run out of supplies. with less efficient materials, an even bigger death star was required just to house the weapon. before it finished, the tools started breaking.
> >
> >
> >
> > Point is, the industrial capacity of the empire was pushed to the limits to maintain an illusion of effectiveness, but wound up collapsing around the emporer.
> >
> >
> >
> > scanners and computers:
> >
> > The asteroid that smacked into the star destroyer. The line “that’s impossible, even for a computer”. Sure, they have droids, but it’s rather obvious that the only truly intelligent droids come from the era of the republic-namely, r2-d2 and c-3po.
> >
> > (side note: i’m not really sure how they even HAVE semi-sentient droids when their computers can’t hit a 6-meter target at the end of a canyon. Maybe all their droids are from the era of the republic. )
> >
> > Republic era aim may not have been much better, but it was better.
> >
> >
> >
> > If they don’t have very good computers anymore, is it any wonder they aren’t able to improve their technology?
> >
> >
> >
> > Tldr: the wars universe is technologically stagnant, therefore the duration of the republic is insufficient grounds to declare a victory for the wars universe.
>
> Ahem. 1. Those are words of an old,hubristic librarian. One person. You forget the large amounts of smugglers and explorers who scour the galaxy
>
> 2.Semi Valid,My only argument is that Han may have been lying,He also isn’t the brightest star in the galaxy if you know what I mean
>
> 3.The Death Star’s Laser broke the crust of the planet and heated the core to the point where enough energy was released to destroy the planet,The Death Star also had unimaginable numbers of turbolaser banks and other defenses, Rebel ships had excellent pilots,even then they took heavy losses. You would be surprised to see how much development went into weapons. Its not like during the clone wars everyone said “WELP, I GUESS ARE GUNS ARE GUD ENUF. HERP A DERP” They were ships from the same era fighting each other,So obviously they will be on par with each other ,but if a Venator took on A Star Destroyer,The Star destroyer would win hands down!
>
> 4.It was UNDER CONSTRUCTION. You have never seen a droideka? IF you saw gungan shields YOU PROBABLY SAW A DROIDEKA IN THE MOVIE.
>
> 5.Still the CIS and Banking clan can turn out BILLIONS of droids and Last time I checked,Durasteel was strong enough to comprise nearly everything in the Galaxy.Also,A UNSC Ship would fair worse in asteroids due to its lack of shielding. Also,You have never seen a Star Destroyer move at full speed. If a captain went at full speed into asteroids,IT would essentially destroy any ship. More importantly, You cant throw asteroids so why are you acting like the Halo ships would do better inside a cloud of debris?
>
> 6.You know alot,but apparently you forgot to admit that the nav computers on a ship can plot a course in a MILLISECOND that would take it half way across the galaxy. Not only that but Like I said, The Star Wars saga spans Hundreds Of Billions of Years, The Halo universe currently only in about 2558 or 2600.
>
> Also,If the space forces of the Star Wars Universe are as bad as you say, I can still shoot down your ships with shots from my hypervelocity gun or my Ion cannon,Or even my planetary turbo laser, They may have a Limited window of fire,But chances are my base is around it,And your ships would come nicely into range if you wanted to provide orbital support.
>
> Also,Mac Platforms are only built over occupied planets due to their MASSIVE power requirements,In a space battle over my turf,They are USELESS.
>
> And If you get past that, The Republic’s SPHA-T Can just blast em out of the sky!
>
> And Droids NO MATTER WHAT cannot be taken over by the flood,Even if you managed to take out EVERY LIVING THING IN THE STAR WARS GALAXY,The Factory Worlds can still Pump out BILLIONS of droids.Literally, We would win via tech or Attrition.
>
> I love Halo and Star Wars,But The Star Wars tech is EONS past Halo’s
you seem to have misunderstood my intention: aside from wars lousy computer systems, I have no idea which one is actually more technologically advanced, as I just don't know enough about halo. It may well be that wars is more advanced. it may well be that halo is more advanced.
My thesis here is that wars looses technology between episode set 1 to 3 and episode set 4 to 6.
1. Fair enough. perhaps there is some scientific attitude ouside of the library.
2. It's more that whoever gave han that line messed up royal, and obfuscated what could have been a fully-cannon statement of wars FTL capability. (At least trek has the decency to make up brand new units when they want to sound precise but give no accuracy whatsoever, but that's another story.) ESPECIALLY for the purpose of comparing ep. 1-3 and ep. 6. "fully cannon FTL speeds" are highly questionable due to difficulty in finding both a distance and a time for any jump. So i'll go with lesser cannon and say it just doesn't advance.
3. If you're going to compare wars with halo to suggest wars develops tech fast, then I can go ahead and strengthen my case: the death star does not count as an emperial advance, becuase it was designed BEFORE the fall of the republic. it may count as a palpatine advance, but it still happened before he finished transmuting the republic at large.
4. first death star sheild: it's a two-layer sheild, right? well, the outer sheild lets fighters get in, and the inner sheild lets fighter shots get through into corridors to some degree. clearly, the sheild does not give as much protection as might be desired.
second death star: nothing blocking the route to the core. no emergency sheilds, no core sheild to speak of, no nothing except the planetside sheild.
Also: droidekas are seen in the first three episodes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not believe they are seen at all in the last three episodes.
also: the elite troops sent down to deal with the rebels do not have personal sheilds.
also: well, I suppose we can't actually rule out that the gungans still have their style of sheild.
5.
They USED to be able to do that. Where are the droid armies in 4-6? there aren't, as far as I can tell. You have to use lesser cannon to try to claim they still have that capacity.
Huge max speed is not equivalent to good maneuverability. max speed is dictated more by total fuel, and the least of: (ability to handle corrosion from space dust, and max forward acceleration). I'll even concede they may have decent forward thrust, if star destroyers are designed to withstand large amounts of forward acceleration at the expense of being somewhat fragile under torque.
...most ships probably couldn't survive a max-velocity encounter with an asteroid field as dense as that one, unless they use something clever or are insanely maneuverable for their max velocity. (Star Trek ships come to mind again. )
6. A milisecond? han may have a funny way of showing off, but he knows the Falcon. I'm pretty sure the computer took a couple seconds to compute the course when he was telling luke you couldn't just fly the ship like a fighter (?) .
I still quote "that's impossible, even for a computer".
also: R2D2 doesn't encounter much of a firewall when he plugs in. perhaps the weapon and engines are protected, but...if wars universe is advancing at a rapid pace, why is an outdated droid able to hax in so eaisly? my answer: he's not so outdated after all.
p.s. either that or there's just a massive technological discrepancy between droids and convential computers that only makes sense if some jedi or sith did something to the entire galaxy.
thus, the wars universe clearly experienced some noticeable technological decline, and remained rather stagnant in other places.
7. other stuff entirely:
"Also,Mac Platforms are only built over occupied planets due to their MASSIVE power requirements,In a space battle over my turf,They are USELES"
...on the other hand, I wouldn't want to get hit by one of those simple-yet-effective planetary Mac rounds while in anything smaller than a death star. a mass effect I'm glad we both agree that the planetary macs are quite a bit more powerfull than the on-ship macs, though.
Meanwhile, lesser cannon LOVES to play around with the idea that the sith used to be a LOT more powerfull, and that the technology used to be LOT better, too, so don't go looking to lesser cannon to suggest the wars universe has a track record of consistent technological advance.

Halo would win if it is all halo factions versus all star wars factions **cough cough** forerunners **cough**
star wars would probably win if its just the surviving halo factions and just the two main star wars factions

I don’t think many of you are aware of the Aang Ti. The Aang Ti are a species in Star Wars similar to the Yuzan Vong. They are force sensitive and use flow walking. Flow walking is like time travel, except you are only noticed if you wish to be. You can alter the future or past, or just observe. With that ability, the Aang Ti could prepare and counter whatever Halo could do.

> *Originally posted by **[Haloforerunner](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=56#posts-6464808):***
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> halo.
> if its all halo factions versus star wars, halo wins **cough** forerunners **cough cough**
> if its just surviving factions star wars might win
If anything…you’ve got it backwards. If you invite the forerunners into the fight, you have to invite the uber-sith to play as well.
uber-sith (I forget the official name, really) can knock fleets out of orbit with the force. they may be glass cannons, but…
Say, that’s a great idea! halo/wars crossover to explain why the forerunners were too occupied to put enough intellect towards finding a way to kill the flood without killing everyone else, and why the uber-sith society finally collapsed!
Now what was I trying to say? Oh nevermind.

> *Originally posted by **[jonny0panic](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=56#posts-6527288):***
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> Halo guys shoot at Jedi. Jedi spins lightsaber, bouncing all projectiles back at Halo guys. Single Jedi: 1, Horde of Halo soldiers: 0
Well, the Spartans shoot bullets, so either the jedi would send molten metal or a cloud of ash into his face when blocking the bullets, and they would most certainly not bounce back. And as shown in episode three, Ki Adi Mundi was easily overwhelmed by 5 clones(considerably less than a “horde” as you put it), and he could even deflect their shots. The UNSC will obviously send a lot more than 5 troops into battle, and the jedi are not all powerful, as some such as yourself would like to believe, so the jedi will not be a huge factor that turns the tide of the war.

Ok this can either go a few ways. You can have UNSC at full power and Covident at full power V.S Empire at full power and rebels at full power, UNSC/Covident (yes full power) V.S Repulic and Sepritists, or UNSC, Covident, Forruners, Flood, and anchint humans (all at full power) V.S Rebublic, Sepristis, empire, and rebels (at full power). When fighting the empire, i would give this round to Halo. At this point in time, you only have one extreamly powerful faction (empire) while the republic is scatered and not so mighty. The UNSC and Covident could pull out the arbtir, the profit, and its squads of SPARITNS in order to counter the few jedi and sith during this time period. Over all the armys of the UNSC and freinds would simply be able to out fight the empire, but it would be relitivly close depending on how many SPARTINS survive. Now with the UNSC/Covident VS the republic and seprits, i would give it to wars. There are enough jedi and sith in order to over power the Spartins and profit. The remaining armys of wars also appear more powerful that HALO for this period of time. Now the big battle. With ALL that HALO and Wars has to offer (forunners empire, all the good stuff) i would say that Halo would win. The flood would be able to consume all senian life (or most) making it easy for UNSC and forrunners to kill everything. If the UNSC would play deffence and prevent wars from entering space, you could prevent any and all attacks on halo. With the flood and covident killing all sentian life, that would allow the anchint humans and foruners to kill the droids. Anything that would survive the flood and covident would be killed off by the forruners. And in an emerginsie, the HALO rings would be fired and all halo spices would be sent to the ARK to live on. Halo wins 2/1. Sorry about spelling, i dont care.

Well, Halo wins to me.
First of all, the UNSC has an entire array of MAC cannons that would destroy anything lesser than the death star. The jedi might overwhelm a few SPARTANs, but remember, Anakin almost got killed by some mine droids (or something of the sort). The death star would be as strong as, if not weaker than the covenant high charity, their holy city. If they got desperate, the covenant could just release a bunch of dreadnoughts and be done with it.
If any of you guys know about halo 4, or know about the UNSC Infinity, which is 3.5 miles long, it could blow up a few star ships with some MAC rounds and the archer missile pods. The UNSC has already started a new SPARTAN IV program and has a ton of SPARTANs now. This being said, about 5 SPARTANs could defeat one jedi, and the jedi are very low in numbers.
If the empire joined, the Forerunners would come and let the Didact kill everybody, and outnumber the empire simply by releasing a crap ton of crawlers and knights, and the promethean knights would release watchers, and annihalate everything in the death star. If all else failed, the Forerunners would get every race into shield worlds and activate the halo array, which would leave everything dead in the galaxy except for the few remaining, uncommanded droids, and all the other races in the galaxy.

> *Originally posted by **[Captain\_Catface](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=54#posts-6241675):***
> > *Originally posted by **[Captain\_Catface](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=48#posts-5755191):***
> > > *Originally posted by **[Captain\_Catface](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=44#posts-5614868):***
> > > > *Originally posted by **[Captain\_Catface](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=42#posts-5376329):***
> > > > > *Originally posted by **[Captain\_Catface](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=35#posts-4191584):***
> > > > > > *Originally posted by **[Captain\_Catface](/forums/3/topics/51911?page=29#posts-3206676):***
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> > > > > > Star Wars Killer 2.0
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> > > > > > Shields: In Star Wars, larger ships are protected with a Ray Shield and a Particle Shield. These shields acted independently of each other, the Ray blocking energy-based weaponry, and the Particle blocking ballistic weaponry. The shields are able to sustain broad damage for massive amounts of time; and can generally only pierced by focused damage on a single location. Because of the double layered shield; it would require both Covenant and UNSC forces to be present; since no ship in the Halo universe is armed with both projectile and energy weaponry. The ships in Halo weren’t even all shielded. The UNSC did not use ship-sized shields; and those that the Covenant used were weak. They could be depleted in a few shots from a MAC, or with a single nuclear missile. In addition, they were forced to lower sections of their shield while firing their plasma weaponry. The shield systems in Halo are simply less powerful.
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> > > > > > Also; the use of infantry shielding. In Star Wars, it isn’t particularly common, though Droideka were all equipped with a shield; making them very dangerous. In addition, shields were available against all sorts of damage sources; one of which was sonic. In Halo, all Spartans/Elites were equipped with shields; but they could be depleted with only a few rounds. The massive power difference between weapons would likely result in single hits being enough to deplete them with a blaster rifle. And, considering the firepower of the DC’s, this means even a Spartan or Elite would be decimated in barely two shots.
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> > > > > > Weapons: We have been over this. Seriously. The ballistic weaponry used by the UNSC would be almost incapable of piercing the Star Wars ship’s shields; let alone the armor. The Covenant Ships, while more powerful, would still find it difficult to break through the more powerful shielding systems. Still, it would require fire from both ballistics and energy weapons, focused on a single point to disable the shields. The Halo forces simply don’t have the firepower capable to destroy a Star Wars fleet. Star Wars weaponry, on the other hand, is much more powerful. In addition, Star Wars ships are more heavily armed, for example, the armaments on an Imperial II-Star Destroyer were: 10 Tractor Beam Projectors, 20 Heavy Ion Cannons, 30 or more Turbolaser Batteries, 5 Heavy Turbolaser Batteries, and 8 Ion Cannons. The weaponry on a UNSC Marathon-Class is 2 MACs, 5 Fusion Rockets, as many as 300 60-Rocket Archer Missile Pods, and several 50mm Point Defense guns, that could only be used for engaging fighters. This shows that the most powerful ships used by the UNSC are easily outmatched. The Covenant’s strongest ship, their Supercarrier, had a minimum of 7 Energy Projectors, along with an unknown amount of Plasma Turrets, and Pulse Laser Turrets for point defense. It is again beaten in heavy weaponry; though it may possess more light weapons; regardless, the comparative weakness of it’s weapons will result in the light weapons being almost entirely ineffective.
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> > > > > > Land: We shall start with the Jedi and Sith: Because of their force manipulation; they will be easily able to dodge or reverse bullets, as well as the much-slower energy weaponry used by the Covenant. More advanced weaponry could still be blocked as easily as blaster fire. In addition, their lightsabers could easily disable plasma swords, thanks to their stronger magnetic field. Personal shielding would also prove to be useless against a lightsaber. For the most part, there is no defense against force blasts, other than having your own psionic abilities; which none of the Halo forces have. As such, a Jedi or Sith would easily be able to massacre the enemy forces.
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> > > > > > In addition to the Jedi are the land troops. Consisting of Mandalorian clones, highly-trained Stormtroopers, and AI Battle Droids, they could easily outmatch anything Halo could provide. Both Mandalorians and Droids have superior speed, strength, endurance, and reaction times to humans, resulting in higher skill. They would also be highly resistant to all but the most powerful ballistic rounds. While Spartans would still be faster and stronger; they simply wouldn’t be able to defend against the massive firepower packed by the Star Wars forces, because of their weak defense.
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> > > > > > Numbers: I saved this for last, because regardless of what Halo can come up with, this is the trump card. There were billions of Droids and Clones, with hundreds of millions being deployed in single battles. In addition, there were even more Stormtroopers. The Empire consisted of, and recruited from, millions of planets; resulting in a terribly massive number. Even using estimates, the number is enormous: If the Empire controlled only one million inhabited planets, and were only able to recruit one hundred thousand people off of each planet, that results in 100 billion Stormtroopers. In addition, a single Droid factory was capable of producing 1000 Droids per hour. Halo on the other hand consists of the UNSC, the Convenant, the Flood, and what’s left of the Forerunners. The UNSC consisted of the 210 inner colonies, some of which had been destroyed by the Covenant. Almost all of the Outer Colonies had already been glassed. The Covenant doesn’t have a listed amount of colonies, though it can be assumed to be slightly higher than the UNSC; since they were only able to field a slightly higher amount of units. The Flood are still easily defeated. Since they would be entering a new galaxy, they would be forced to ‘build’ a new Gravemind, which would leave them in their feral state for a long time. The Empire, unlike the Forerunner, would have no regrets destroying an infected planet to prevent the infection from spreading. In addition, the massive Droid army would be completely immune to infection, and therefore able to easily destroy any Flood infections; especially since the Flood are terribly weak against high-temperature weaponry.
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> > > > > > Lastly, we have the Forerunner Keyship. The keyship is very powerful; it’s portal emitting an EM pulse, and possessing a powerful shield and laser array. The final keyship was most likely destroyed when installation 04b fired; but if it was not, there are still many reasons it would be ineffective. While being the most powerful ship remaining in the Halo universe; it is very close to being on-par with the Star Wars ships, though it still uses inferior weaponry. For this, I am going to say that the Yuuzhan Vong would be the most effective, as their ships are a combination of biological and technological systems. As they wouldn’t be completely disabled; they would be able to provide an adequate opposition. Their weapons consisted of pure plasma, and Worldships contained hundreds of them. In addition, their most powerful weapon, the Dread Weapon, was capable of ripping into enemy ships or stations, and ‘sucking out’ all of the lifeforms. In addition, their Dovin Basals were capable of generation micro-singularities, which would be lethal regardless of the Keyship’s defenses.
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> > > > > > That was my original mega-post, which I thought was enough to end this discussion; but it apparently was not. So, I have decided to take some time to expand on the various topics covered above; including some more detailed explanations.
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> > > > > > Shield: I really believe I have explained this as much as is necessary. I am, of course, assuming that before arguing you _do_ know the basics of how energy shields work; and the primary difference between those in Star Wars and those in Halo. In Star Wars, there are separate shield: Those that protect against energy weaponry, and those that deflect against ballistics. These shields are assigned power as-needed based on what collides with the respective shields. This adaptive shielding, combined with the massive amounts of energy dedicated solely to the shields, result in a shield that can only be pierced by focused fire. Halo shields, on the other hand, are a single layer that defends against ballistics and energy weaponry. Halo’s shields also drain power from the ship’s primary power source; as opposed to an independent source. These factors, combined with the relatively low power output of the ships, results in a far more fragile shield.
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> > > > > > Weapons: I suppose many of those who actually take the time to read this; and are discussing seriously, already know the basics of ballistic and energy weaponry. These can be divided into four categories: True Ballistics, Beam Weapons, Plasma Weapons, and Energized Bolts. True Ballistics are, however more advanced, low-velocity weapons that rely on kinetic energy and light explosives. They are the weakest weapons available. Beam weapons use an incredibly got beam of light that converts matter at the point of impact into plasma; giving it the ability to, at a massive power drain, bore through the targeted area. Plasma weapons use an electromagnetic field to hold plasma into a ‘ball’ of sorts, which causes massive damage on impact. The last, and generally most powerful, category of weapons are energized bolts. These weapons use a super-dense ‘bullet’ that is contained in a ball of plasma. This combines the kinetic power of a bullet, sped almost to the speed of light, with the energy damage of the plasma bolt. Star Wars features all of these weapons, though primarily plasma and charged bolt weapons. Halo, on the other hand, features only ballistics, weak plasma weaponry, and amazingly inefficient laser weaponry.
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> > > > > > Land: Absolutely nothing here needs to be restated. Masterchief’s/Elite’s shields are incredibly weak. The armor employed by all Halo forces is incredibly weak. With an expanded understanding of the weapons, it is easy to establish that Halo is outgunned. A single shot from a bowcaster is more than capable of killing a Spartan. Two at most from a DC blaster. Factoring in that the DC is fully automatic, shoots plasma blasts that move at the speed of light, and has almost unlimited ammo; it cannot be argued that Halo has stronger units. Regarding the Flood: They aren’t a trump card, even remotely. The Flood are incredibly fragile, and would _easily_ be mopped up by the massive legions of plasma-armed Clones/Droids/Troopers.
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> > > > > > Numbers: For the love of god, I am not expanding on this. The odds are _literally_ millions to one, against Halo; and the the Star Wars forces could create _more units per day than exist in the Halo forces_.
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> > > > > > _ **If you read nothing else in this post, please read this** _: If you are unwilling to make a valid point; and plan on simply shouting that your side is superior, please do not waste your time. If you do plan on making a valid post, please have read my entire post.
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> > > > > I’m just gonna keep quoting this till y’all stop bumping it.
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> > > > I figure, I haven’t copy/pasted it for a few pages… And, since people have started bumping it again…
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> > > You rang?
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> Oh?
Oh look, it’s this thread again.