(11-17-2016, 12:20 AM)Gippy Wrote: The difference being that this year they're based on what the candidate actually did and said, not based on rumor, speculation, and the unfounded fears of the electorate. Trump has given us every reason to fear him.

(11-17-2016, 12:26 AM)Gippy Wrote: I think that its pretty interesting too that the only people arguing for trump in this thread are a guy who loves to argue just to argue and is good at it, and a Canadian village idiot.

(11-17-2016, 12:26 AM)Gippy Wrote: I think that its pretty interesting too that the only people arguing for trump in this thread are a guy who loves to argue just to argue and is good at it, and a Canadian village idiot.

(11-17-2016, 12:26 AM)Gippy Wrote: I think that its pretty interesting too that the only people arguing for trump in this thread are a guy who loves to argue just to argue and is good at it, and a Canadian village idiot.

I'm not really arguing for Trump. I'm arguing against emo.

What nice white privilege you have.

I'm sure that's intended as a sick burn, but perhaps you can help me understand what you mean. Am I supposed to live each day lamenting how I was born? Or should I wrestle with daily guilt as I drive to work? Or is it something else?

Also, just curious: do you suppose that the message of "white privilege" is somewhat diluted when it comes from a well-to-do white woman living in the most expensive city in the country?

Finally, when folks criticized President Obama for not pledging allegiance to the flag, was that his white privilege, or the complainers'?

Needless divisive joke time: I can't wait till all those dipshits who thought they were gonna lose their guns really do lose their healthcare and food stamps.

Yeah, nothing's the same when you're passionate about something.

And why is it that all those dipshits continually vote against hand-outs? That's always puzzled me, too. Some would argue that all of them are so blinded by racism, they think they're sticking it to the minorities, but I just can't imagine that holds up to scrutiny.

(11-17-2016, 12:26 AM)Gippy Wrote: I think that its pretty interesting too that the only people arguing for trump in this thread are a guy who loves to argue just to argue and is good at it, and a Canadian village idiot.

I'm not really arguing for Trump. I'm arguing against emo.

What nice white privilege you have.

I'm sure that's intended as a sick burn, but perhaps you can help me understand what you mean. Am I supposed to live each day lamenting how I was born? Or should I wrestle with daily guilt as I drive to work? Or is it something else?

Also, just curious: do you suppose that the message of "white privilege" is somewhat diluted when it comes from a well-to-do white woman living in the most expensive city in the country?

Finally, when folks criticized President Obama for not pledging allegiance to the flag, was that his white privilege, or the complainers'?

Any clarity you can provide is appreciated.

No, I didn't mean it as a sick burn. Am I being pointed? Of course. No more than you are. But I do hope my comment will prompt you to consider that suggesting people who are scared of Trump (and everything that comes with him/his presidency) are just being "emo" is really dismissive and insulting. As the saying goes, privilege is when you don't consider something a problem because it's not a problem to you personally. Those who are protesting, who are demanding action from Congress, who are donating their time and dollars to organizations that fight for our rights...they want to send a clear message that we can't normalize Trump's comments and actions. Now Trump's people are talking about internment camps, but those who are upset/ protesting are just emo? Really?

(11-17-2016, 12:26 AM)Gippy Wrote: I think that its pretty interesting too that the only people arguing for trump in this thread are a guy who loves to argue just to argue and is good at it, and a Canadian village idiot.

I'm not really arguing for Trump. I'm arguing against emo.

What nice white privilege you have.

I'm sure that's intended as a sick burn, but perhaps you can help me understand what you mean. Am I supposed to live each day lamenting how I was born? Or should I wrestle with daily guilt as I drive to work? Or is it something else?

Also, just curious: do you suppose that the message of "white privilege" is somewhat diluted when it comes from a well-to-do white woman living in the most expensive city in the country?

Finally, when folks criticized President Obama for not pledging allegiance to the flag, was that his white privilege, or the complainers'?

Any clarity you can provide is appreciated.

No, I didn't mean it as a sick burn. Am I being pointed? Of course. No more than you are. But I do hope my comment will prompt you to consider that suggesting people who are scared of Trump (and everything that comes with him/his presidency) are just being "emo" is really dismissive and insulting. As the saying goes, privilege is when you don't consider something a problem because it's not a problem to you personally. Those who are protesting, who are demanding action from Congress, who are donating their time and dollars to organizations that fight for our rights...they want to send a clear message that we can't normalize Trump's comments and actions. Now Trump's people are talking about internment camps, but those who are upset/ protesting are just emo? Really?

Ah, so not white privilege, just privilege. That makes more sense. Like equal ambivalence to big two party candidates privilege. They're all turds, and as discussed earlier in this thread, I can't stop people from voting for them anyway, so I do choose to make it not a problem for me. Got it. Yeah, I have that.

And along with that comes the emo thing. Yes, most of the protesters are just being emo. What are they protesting? Hell if I know. It looks like they're off occupying Wall Street again until their... demands are me-- er-- well, until the momentum ends.

And the complainers. Sure, go nuts.

Trump wants to violate the constitution. You know that. He wants to "open up" "federal" libel laws. OK. You know why I don't care? Because he can't. He'd need a majority in Congress to amend the Constitution.

Your Democrat buddies in Congress (indeed my very own representatives) are complaining that Trump isn't keeping his promises and draining the swamp. #1: The members of congress who are speaking about it are the object of the drainage in the first place; #2: Do they really want Trump to hold up to his promises? #3: Emo.

I won't get in your way from being upset, just remember that to some of us it looks an awful lot like this:

“Barack Obama’s friend tried to kill my family” was how a McCain press release last week packaged the remembrance of a Weather Underground incident from 1970 — when Obama was 8.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/12rich.html

(11-17-2016, 12:26 AM)Gippy Wrote: I think that its pretty interesting too that the only people arguing for trump in this thread are a guy who loves to argue just to argue and is good at it, and a Canadian village idiot.

I'm not really arguing for Trump. I'm arguing against emo.

What nice white privilege you have.

I'm sure that's intended as a sick burn, but perhaps you can help me understand what you mean. Am I supposed to live each day lamenting how I was born? Or should I wrestle with daily guilt as I drive to work? Or is it something else?

Also, just curious: do you suppose that the message of "white privilege" is somewhat diluted when it comes from a well-to-do white woman living in the most expensive city in the country?

Finally, when folks criticized President Obama for not pledging allegiance to the flag, was that his white privilege, or the complainers'?

Any clarity you can provide is appreciated.

No, I didn't mean it as a sick burn. Am I being pointed? Of course. No more than you are. But I do hope my comment will prompt you to consider that suggesting people who are scared of Trump (and everything that comes with him/his presidency) are just being "emo" is really dismissive and insulting. As the saying goes, privilege is when you don't consider something a problem because it's not a problem to you personally. Those who are protesting, who are demanding action from Congress, who are donating their time and dollars to organizations that fight for our rights...they want to send a clear message that we can't normalize Trump's comments and actions. Now Trump's people are talking about internment camps, but those who are upset/ protesting are just emo? Really?

Ah, so not white privilege, just privilege. That makes more sense. Like equal ambivalence to big two party candidates privilege. They're all turds, and as discussed earlier in this thread, I can't stop people from voting for them anyway, so I do choose to make it not a problem for me. Got it. Yeah, I have that.

And along with that comes the emo thing. Yes, most of the protesters are just being emo. What are they protesting? Hell if I know. It looks like they're off occupying Wall Street again until their... demands are me-- er-- well, until the momentum ends.

And the complainers. Sure, go nuts.

Trump wants to violate the constitution. You know that. He wants to "open up" "federal" libel laws. OK. You know why I don't care? Because he can't. He'd need a majority in Congress to amend the Constitution.

Your Democrat buddies in Congress (indeed my very own representatives) are complaining that Trump isn't keeping his promises and draining the swamp. #1: The members of congress who are speaking about it are the object of the drainage in the first place; #2: Do they really want Trump to hold up to his promises? #3: Emo.

I won't get in your way from being upset, just remember that to some of us it looks an awful lot like this:

“Barack Obama’s friend tried to kill my family” was how a McCain press release last week packaged the remembrance of a Weather Underground incident from 1970 — when Obama was 8.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/12rich.html

Wait, so protestors are emo because you don't know what they're protesting?

They're walking a very fine line. They're doing what they've always done. Introduced a bullshit concept as fringe and keep talking about it until people are used to it and it gets normalized. Hopefully this dies quickly, because the more it gets talked about the more the Republicans will latch on to it.

Will it result in internment camps? Likely not. But it continues to fuel a xenophobic fire that is already dangerous and causing problems.

Your privilege, like my privilege, lets me effectively ignore the racist, homophobic and xenophobic talk that was the cornerstone of the Trump campaign. No matter what games you like to play here you can't deny it was there. And it scares a lot of people. Because we're not effected, that we're not worried about being targeted, or worried about being marginalized or having rights taken away, we can sleep easier at night. Being black, gay, a woman or muslim right now and accepting the rhetoric that got the Orange in Chief elected is hard. I have friends and co-workers in all of those categories and they're all worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons. Most of which aren't orange, but are those that supported the Cheeto Mussolini and took it as a referendum on white male dominance.

I admit that I don't feel the same sense of urgency and despair about this election as others do, but that's no reason to deny them their voice and marginalize their efforts to be heard. The message that the orange ran on needs to be opposed. The protests serve to fuel our legislators to act. And serve to shout through the bubble that Trump obviously hasn't been able to look past (just read interviews, all the signs of ignorance are there).

Edit: There's a huge difference between the shouts of hitler Obama and hitler Trump. The difference being that those that tried to compare Obama to hitler made large leaps and twists to make the comparison. Trump gave us everything we needed to neatly put the two together.

At the same time, what right do we have to interfere with things that do no affect us personally? I have seen countless stories and incidences where some some white chick is trying to claim she understands how a muslim or black person is going through and has been completely off the mark. I have seen people who everyone effectively stereotyped that person as a liberal Trump-hater just because that person was black or muslim, all the while that person has reviews his options and has actually chosen Trump because of things like his stance on gun rights.

It's nasty to have to deal with racism, but it's downright insulting dealing with people who act like they're on your side and you need to be coddled and cared for like some strange and scary creature, all the while you don't give a shit about those people and are doing all right on your own.

Whether someone is Muslim or black or gay, it shouldn't fucking matter. If they feel marginalized and explicitly ask for help and awareness then yes let's help them. But if you're automatically operating off the assumption that they are being marginalized as a blanket affect without even talking to them, then you are simply no better then an attention whore that just wants to project the image of caring for others.

(11-18-2016, 12:59 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote: At the same time, what right do we have to interfere with things that do no affect us personally? I have seen countless stories and incidences where some some white chick is trying to claim she understands how a muslim or black person is going through and has been completely off the mark. I have seen people who everyone effectively stereotyped that person as a liberal Trump-hater just because that person was black or muslim, all the while that person has reviews his options and has actually chosen Trump because of things like his stance on gun rights.

It's nasty to have to deal with racism, but it's downright insulting dealing with people who act like they're on your side and you need to be coddled and cared for like some strange and scary creature, all the while you don't give a shit about those people and are doing all right on your own.

Whether someone is Muslim or black or gay, it shouldn't fucking matter. If they feel marginalized and explicitly ask for help and awareness then yes let's help them. But if you're automatically operating off the assumption that they are being marginalized as a blanket affect without even talking to them, then you are simply no better then an attention whore that just wants to project the image of caring for others.

(11-18-2016, 12:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: I think what the protesters are doing is pretty clear.

Your privilege, like my privilege, lets me effectively ignore the racist, homophobic and xenophobic talk that was the cornerstone of the Trump campaign. No matter what games you like to play here you can't deny it was there. And it scares a lot of people. Because we're not effected, that we're not worried about being targeted, or worried about being marginalized or having rights taken away, we can sleep easier at night. Being black, gay, a woman or muslim right now and accepting the rhetoric that got the Orange in Chief elected is hard. I have friends and co-workers in all of those categories and they're all worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons. Most of which aren't orange, but are those that supported the Cheeto Mussolini and took it as a referendum on white male dominance.

I admit that I don't feel the same sense of urgency and despair about this election as others do, but that's no reason to deny them their voice and marginalize their efforts to be heard. The message that the orange ran on needs to be opposed. The protests serve to fuel our legislators to act. And serve to shout through the bubble that Trump obviously hasn't been able to look past (just read interviews, all the signs of ignorance are there).

Edit: There's a huge difference between the shouts of hitler Obama and hitler Trump. The difference being that those that tried to compare Obama to hitler made large leaps and twists to make the comparison. Trump gave us everything we needed to neatly put the two together.

There are millions of black, gay, and woman voters who elected Trump. I realize that the climate in your exceptionally blue region is anti-Trump. I also realize that historically, fear, uncertainty and doubt are what those who object employ as their protest tools.