What if 9/11 hadn't happened, would there still be limits on civil liberties?
"Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."...The Mysterious Stranger\n\n-Mark Twain
All so very true.  I don't know what it was about Clinton.  I know people who truly feel that we should have offered him another term!  When I make points,like you have made, they just call me names like Neo-Con.  They never give me real facts as to why they liked the guy so much.