Unfortunately, this leaves Ginsburg trying to explain that if granted immunity Lewinsky will testify one way, and if indicted she'll stand by her deposition.
The man would have to give reasons for the woman not to testify.
Once I sat down and concentrated and forgot my old prejudiced I realized it is very simple to learn, you just have to transform the way you think and move the dot from one place to another instead of having to memorize everything.