London Car Bomb

Found 29th Jun 2007Found 29th Jun 2007

So it didn't detonate today by some off-chance, ok, but why are certain groups getting congratulated? This is luck and nothing more. Some people (the bombers) are obviously feeling too brave and need to be subdued with preemptive strikes. How about bringing back the death penalty? Gordon Brown, stop giving money to Africa and help people who will get killed on your own turf first.

By giving in to certain groups who make threats wether directly or indirectly, the situation will only get worse.

As you say it was complete luck, Thanks goodness they managed to see the smoke before it actually went off and went to check it out.

Just glad nobody was injured and hope the bastârd driver/bomb maker is caught and hung.

29th Jun 2007

Iom-RF

As you say it was complete luck, Thanks goodness they managed to see the … As you say it was complete luck, Thanks goodness they managed to see the smoke before it actually went off and went to check it out.Just glad nobody was injured and hope the bastârd driver/bomb maker is caught and hung.

As far as they're concerened, it misdetinated meaning the smoke was actually the reaction of the detination.

So it detinated, but didnt explode, luckily, reminds me a bit of a bodged attempt on 21/07/05.

They're now investigating another car in Park Lane, London.

29th Jun 2007

Well thank goodness the bomb didn't go off.

I'd be very wary of my car bombs though, More so with streets coming to a stand still in rush hour and with many roads closed off its only going to get busier.

Original Poster29th Jun 2007

Iom-RF

As you say it was complete luck, Thanks goodness they managed to see the … As you say it was complete luck, Thanks goodness they managed to see the smoke before it actually went off and went to check it out.Just glad nobody was injured and hope the bastârd driver/bomb maker is caught and hung.

I just think London has been quite lucky so far to be honest. These people are merciless and generally not afraid to die. Britain needs to wake up and act fast. God knows how many things are not reported on the news. If you recall, 9-11 was said to be known about by the US govt. before it occured. Had people known about potential threats, vigilance levels should have increased. Therefore information hidden from the public (although understandably at times) can sometimes make things so much worse. People power is what it comes down to at the end of the day.

29th Jun 2007

Blanco

I just think London has been quite lucky so far to be honest. These … I just think London has been quite lucky so far to be honest. These people are merciless and generally not afraid to die. Britain needs to wake up and act fast. God knows how many things are not reported on the news. If you recall, 9-11 was said to be known about by the US govt. before it occured. Had people known about potential threats, vigilance levels should have increased. Therefore information hidden from the public (although understandably at times) can sometimes make things so much worse. People power is what it comes down to at the end of the day.

While I can see the logic, I don't think it'll happen because:a) Releasing information will create panic (try to should 'Fire' in cinema and see what happens.b) If offenders would know that authorities are after them, there will be sudden change of plans.c) You can't even look on certain people without being accused for being racist.

..and so on...

29th Jun 2007

Kommunist

a) Releasing information will create panic (try to should 'Fire' in … a) Releasing information will create panic (try to should 'Fire' in cinema and see what happens.

If you start screaming in the street, people ignore you.If you start screaming in a plane, everyone joins in...

Original Poster29th Jun 2007

Kommunist

While I can see the logic, I don't think it'll happen because:a) … While I can see the logic, I don't think it'll happen because:a) Releasing information will create panic (try to should 'Fire' in cinema and see what happens.b) If offenders would know that authorities are after them, there will be sudden change of plans.c) You can't even look on certain people without being accused for being racist. ..and so on...

In answer to:

a) Some will panic, others will take action. It is better to cry wolf than be eaten by the wolf.b) It is probably better that offenders keep changing plans rather than get a chance to execute their plans.c) True, but during pearl harbor, the Japanese were rounded up and given the option of staying at the camp or going back to Japan. No attacks then occured within the US by resident Japanese people. Bear in mind the people doing/planning these attacks are Muslim and mainly of Pakistani descent as far as the UK goes. This ethnic group will have to face up to the problems within their community. That's just the way it is.

29th Jun 2007

In answer to your answers

a) True. But people can't live under constant pressure, they'll give up eventually. Or simply disregard the warnings.b) Well... not sure about this one. If, say, authorities know that Tower is going to be bombed and release this information to public, offenders might simply explode themselves in first shopping mall they see. c) Not possible because of political correctness. Not unless gov't (and self-appointed do-gooders too) realize that the country is at war.

29th Jun 2007

I predict thread locking in the near future and bans for comments. :giggle:

29th Jun 2007

Thankfully no one died

29th Jun 2007

Syzable

I predict thread locking in the near future and bans for comments. … I predict thread locking in the near future and bans for comments. :giggle:

What, do u mena??:thinking:

29th Jun 2007

Dealicous

What, do u mena??:thinking:

Your post has now gone i see. :thumbsup:

29th Jun 2007

I dont think the people in the 'high' places are doing enough to help the 'now' i think most of the operations etc in place by us and america are change things maybe in 5 - 10 years. But how many people are gonna die until then? I can see why some of it (the war etc) has to happen, and why these people are really hard to detain, but surely there must be SOMETHING there not not telling us. and i dont agree with the death penalty, noone has the right to say any person should die. and i think punishment should be given, jail etc death is an easy way out.

Original Poster29th Jun 2007

Kommunist

In answer to your answers :)a) True. But people can't live under constant … In answer to your answers :)a) True. But people can't live under constant pressure, they'll give up eventually. Or simply disregard the warnings.b) Well... not sure about this one. If, say, authorities know that Tower is going to be bombed and release this information to public, offenders might simply explode themselves in first shopping mall they see. c) Not possible because of political correctness. Not unless gov't (and self-appointed do-gooders too) realize that the country is at war.

haha... in answer to your answers to my answers...

a) Also true, but I think time is a great healer and if the British people are persistent enough to take care of their own turf, the attackers may eventually settle down. But just like your theory this is also a theory so I guess one will never know unless it is tried.b) Yeah there could be less subtle attacks made. But then people may be prepared for that. Being on edge is never good nor is panic. Unfortunately Britain doesn't have much choice as far as not being on edge goes... c) viva la revolution? :viking:

29th Jun 2007

Its worrying what the world is coming too, I dont understand how anyone could want to kill innocent people that they dont even know!

29th Jun 2007

i think its insane wanting to kill yourself aswell....

and even more that all these things happen just because of disagreements....i know not all this conflict is religious but the suicide bombers etc are doing it because they think they will be rewarded in the after etc...surely no religion encourages murder??? tho i havent researched all religions so i dunno....

29th Jun 2007

Blanco

haha... in answer to your answers to my answers...a) Also true, but I … haha... in answer to your answers to my answers...a) Also true, but I think time is a great healer and if the British people are persistent enough to take care of their own turf, the attackers may eventually settle down. But just like your theory this is also a theory so I guess one will never know unless it is tried.b) Yeah there could be less subtle attacks made. But then people may be prepared for that. Being on edge is never good nor is panic. Unfortunately Britain doesn't have much choice as far as not being on edge goes... c) viva la revolution? :viking:

a) IMHO, it'll simply become a part of life, like fear of getting parking ticket or being electrocuted in elevator. Not immediately, of course - a first couple of times people will be panicking, then just get used to it.b) You can't be prepared for such event. Say, there will be announcement on radio: there is a terror attack planned in London. So you avoiding London and so does terrorist... And there is a probability you'll meet each other.c) Not a single chance. Here is what will happen now (I'm trying to read the future :))- Police will arrest suspect(s). Of course, their names won't be John, Tom or Leslie. Not even Ivan or Boris.- Advocacy groups will start their campain on whateverphobia directed towards whatever group.- A conspiracy theory will emerge on a web. Its advocates will insist that this plot was organised by:1) Blair - as a middle finger sign to Brown2) Brown - as a sign that he can handle things3) Mossad - well.. just because they can4) KGB (sorry, FSB) - to kill Litvinenko friends5) Martians - they don't like other living forms, don't they?6) etc, etc, etc- A government will call for organising an 'understanding' dialogue between er... whatever group and.. well.. anybody.

And so on. Now tell me I can't read the future

29th Jun 2007

...and I'm in London for the first time in a couple of years on Monday and Tuesday. Nice timing. :-D

29th Jun 2007

duckmagicuk2

...and I'm in London for the first time in a couple of years on Monday … ...and I'm in London for the first time in a couple of years on Monday and Tuesday. Nice timing. :-D

Yup!, It'll probably be the best/safest time to go!!!

Once again Police and the general public will be on high alert, Constantly on the look out for anything suspicious! :thumbsup:

29th Jun 2007

nothing more suspicious that a car parked up with smoke streaming out...

29th Jun 2007

i think it was a set up because first they anger muslims with the rushdie knight which also seemed dodgey as they did at this time and again to anger muslims but they did not recieve the outcome they wanted so now they plan this many people are now having doubts about whats happening.

29th Jun 2007

kelly_o_fanatic

Its worrying what the world is coming too, I dont understand how anyone … Its worrying what the world is coming too, I dont understand how anyone could want to kill innocent people that they dont even know!

exactly like the women and children tony blair and bush killed in iraq and afghanistan also children and women dying in palestine how can these 1000s of deaths be allowed and now people allow tony blair to be head of the middle easy commity or whatever it is, i think many of the leader should stand up and disagree but i dont think that will happen as they just speak among themselves.

30th Jun 2007

i think it was a set up because first they anger muslims with the rushdie … i think it was a set up because first they anger muslims with the rushdie knight which also seemed dodgey as they did at this time and again to anger muslims but they did not recieve the outcome they wanted so now they plan this many people are now having doubts about whats happening.

Yeah, right. It seems that modern muslims are offended by just about anything these days. By the very act of our existance it seems.

exactly like the women and children tony blair and bush killed in iraq

Personally?

also children and women dying in palestine

It seems that their own government killed more muslims than anybody else. Just like they did during last two weeks.Oh.. and what about Darfur? No evil westerners there, so no one could be blamed? Or recent developments in Lebanon? It surely must be some westerner's fault?

now people allow tony blair to be head of the middle easy commity or … now people allow tony blair to be head of the middle easy commity or whatever it is, i think many of the leader should stand up and disagree but i dont think that will happen as they just speak among themselves.

I don't get it either, TBH. It was a rare occurance when I was in agreement with Putin who tried to block this.

30th Jun 2007

Kommunist

Yeah, right. It seems that modern muslims are offended by just about … Yeah, right. It seems that modern muslims are offended by just about anything these days. By the very act of our existance it seems. Personally?It seems that their own government killed more muslims than anybody else. Just like they did during last two weeks.Oh.. and what about Darfur? No evil westerners there, so no one could be blamed? Or recent developments in Lebanon? It surely must be some westerner's fault?I don't get it either, TBH. It was a rare occurance when I was in agreement with Putin who tried to block this.

All in favour say "aye"

AYE!!!!

30th Jun 2007

Kommunist

Yeah, right. It seems that modern muslims are offended by just about … Yeah, right. It seems that modern muslims are offended by just about anything these days. By the very act of our existance it seems.

Mdamz

All in favour say "aye"AYE!!!!

Aye!!!!!

30th Jun 2007

Wow, thats some great generalising there, seems like logic and common sense aren't too high on people's lists

More generalising and less self-education will only get this world into more trouble - don't delude yourselves into thinking you know all about the issues at hand, from the comments i have read in this thread and a few others, it seems there are too many people who are happy to comment before they even have a clue about things.IGNORANCE 1HUKD 0

30th Jun 2007

jcampwala

Wow, thats some great generalising there, seems like logic and common … Wow, thats some great generalising there, seems like logic and common sense aren't too high on people's listsMore generalising and less self-education will only get this world into more trouble - don't delude yourselves into thinking you know all about the issues at hand, from the comments i have read in this thread and a few others, it seems there are too many people who are happy to comment before they even have a clue about things.IGNORANCE 1HUKD 0

well if we want to stop terrorism we voted in the wrong political party. there is 1 party which can stop pretty much ALL terrorism in the UK.

30th Jun 2007

jcampwala

it seems there are too many people who are happy to comment before they even have a clue about things.IGNORANCE 1HUKD 0

I really appreciate your self-criticism :whistling:

30th Jun 2007

HU5TLER

exactly like the women and children tony blair and bush killed in iraq … exactly like the women and children tony blair and bush killed in iraq and afghanistan also children and women dying in palestine how can these 1000s of deaths be allowed and now people allow tony blair to be head of the middle easy commity or whatever it is, i think many of the leader should stand up and disagree but i dont think that will happen as they just speak among themselves.

I agree, also the soldiers who have been killed by being sent out there.

30th Jun 2007

^^^ yep also them the corruption of the goverment

30th Jun 2007

And what do you mean by the term 'Modern' muslim? i'm a muslim and i don't quiet understand what you mean by the term 'modern'?

offended by everything? What's that suppose to mean? Offended by the innocent lives lost in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palistine? for the so called 'War on terror'...i'm sorry but i think any humane person would feel something for these lives as would the majority of muslims for the lives lost in 7/7 and 9/11... and yes i use 'majority' and not all because there is obviously a minority of stupid ignorant muslims who beleive that killing innocent lives in the name of Islam is the right thing to do.

30th Jun 2007

Sensible post. ^^^^^^

30th Jun 2007

Just on a side note.......i know this is a thread for debate but please be careful not to start name calling and causing offence as it is pointless and has happened in the past.

Not aimed at anyone.....:thumbsup:

30th Jun 2007

Kopi

And what do you mean by the term 'Modern' muslim? i'm a muslim and i … And what do you mean by the term 'Modern' muslim? i'm a muslim and i don't quiet understand what you mean by the term 'modern'?offended by everything? What's that suppose to mean? Offended by the innocent lives lost in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palistine? for the so called 'War on terror'...i'm sorry but i think any humane person would feel something for these lives as would the majority of muslims for the lives lost in 7/7 and 9/11... and yes i use 'majority' and not all because there is obviously a minority of stupid ignorant muslims who beleive that killing innocent lives in the name of Islam is the right thing to do.

Modern was used as in 'recently' - I am referring to modern days (as I don't remember seeing demostration of such scale even 20 years ago). . Not as in 'modern religion'.As to offended by everything - yes, so it seems. Just about any development of the world affair seems to have some effect on Muslims. Other people might also be outraged by some events, but I don't recall seeing demonstrations with slogans 'Death to England' in Russia because Berezovsky was granted asylum in this country. And believe me, he is seen as one of the worst enemies there.

As to feeling for people... Yes, I feel for innocents, but not for those who is blowing their own (or other) people in the name of whatever. Just like Hamas in last two weeks and Palestinians in Lebanon recently. And, as a Muslim, can you tell me how you feel towards Muslims who kill their fellow Muslims? Not everything in this world is Blair's fault, you know.

30th Jun 2007

Kopi

not all because there is obviously a minority of stupid ignorant muslims … not all because there is obviously a minority of stupid ignorant muslims who beleive that killing innocent lives in the name of Islam is the right thing to do.

Top post! :thumbsup:

I'm not saying every Muslim is an extremist though, But I do think more could be done to stop the ones that are, Surely someone would hear the plans etc.

30th Jun 2007

why do you think "minority" are turning to this , it could all be stopped by pulling troops out and this will help both the killing of soldiers and killing of civilians.

And what do you mean by the term 'Modern' muslim? i'm a muslim and i don't quiet understand what you mean by the term 'modern'?

offended by everything? What's that suppose to mean? Offended by the innocent lives lost in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palistine? for the so called 'War on terror'...i'm sorry but i think any humane person would feel something for these lives as would the majority of muslims for the lives lost in 7/7 and 9/11... and yes i use 'majority' and not all because there is obviously a minority of stupid ignorant muslims who beleive that killing innocent lives in the name of Islam is the right thing to do.

nice

Not everything in this world is Blair's fault, you know.

i know its partly bushes too but they caused all this friction to start

30th Jun 2007

jcampwala

Wow, thats some great generalising there, seems like logic and common … Wow, thats some great generalising there, seems like logic and common sense aren't too high on people's listsMore generalising and less self-education will only get this world into more trouble - don't delude yourselves into thinking you know all about the issues at hand, from the comments i have read in this thread and a few others, it seems there are too many people who are happy to comment before they even have a clue about things.IGNORANCE 1HUKD 0

QFE

Sooo right!

30th Jun 2007

Nice quoting there HU5TLER, Made for difficult reading.

You seem set that its Blair's or Bush's fault, Ok even if it was, How does this warrant the killing of innocent people in London etc?

Just because Blair made the decision to go to war, Doesn't mean the Great Brittish public still support that decision.

30th Jun 2007

yh but im not saying its right there killing innocent people in other countries and these mulims here are killing innocent people here.

if the troops were out it would finish.

i am no way supporting suicide bombings btw.

30th Jun 2007

HU5TLER

if the troops were out it would finish.

Thats just an opinion, certainly not fact.

If troops are pulled out thats one demand fulfilled, they then push for something else.... it's human nature.