We still don't know the actual cause of the recent incident so I am not sure how you can say that.

In both incidents the fly section was released by the cable so there are similarities.

I do, and it was a completely different cause.

09-07-2012, 10:36 AM

donethat

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Originally Posted by SCOOBY14B

I do, and it was a completely different cause.

Well, when you see pictures from two different accidents in a short time span with broken cables hanging out from both trucks, you have to ask the obvious questions. To not do so would be putting your head in the sand.

09-07-2012, 02:31 PM

Cutlass84

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Originally Posted by SCOOBY14B

Sutphen built the very first telescoping aerial platform, and the fundamentals haven't changed. EVERY manufacturer has required maintenance, and that maintenance MUST be followed.

That's a given. However, no amount of maintanence will replace having a redundant safety in place. Maybe they do? That just seems to be the factor that would have prevented these from escalating to this point.

09-11-2012, 11:37 AM

firepundit

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Originally Posted by SCOOBY14B

I do, and it was a completely different cause.

If you know the actual cause why don't you share it with us? Have you inspected the apparatus?

09-19-2012, 12:15 AM

SCOOBY14B

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Originally Posted by firepundit

If you know the actual cause why don't you share it with us? Have you inspected the apparatus?

Sorry, but when the information is allowed to be released I will be glad to share it.

09-19-2012, 09:40 AM

firepundit

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Originally Posted by SCOOBY14B

Sorry, but when the information is allowed to be released I will be glad to share it.

Once there has been a public announcement, everyone will be able to share it.

09-19-2012, 11:17 AM

FWDbuff

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Originally Posted by SCOOBY14B

Sutphen built the very first telescoping aerial platform.

mmmm are you sure about this? I consider myself an amateur apparatus historian, and was always under the impression that the first telescoping boom platform was manufactured by the Truco division of Eaton Manufacturing, Inc. and mounted on a "C" Model Mack chassis for FDNY in 1964. The Truco name was later dropped in favor of Eaton, and the idea was later purchased by Baker, and then of course Seagrave. I just did a quicky search for any references of Sutphen tower history, I could not find anything definitive, I did however find several references to the early 1970's.

Useless information: Something many Mack/Scope fans do not know; one, and only one 'scope was mounted ona "B" Model chassis. Very few pictures of this unit exist. I cannot recall who it was for however.

09-19-2012, 05:17 PM

LeadOff

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Originally Posted by FWDbuff

mmmm are you sure about this? I consider myself an amateur apparatus historian, and was always under the impression that the first telescoping boom platform was manufactured by the Truco division of Eaton Manufacturing, Inc. and mounted on a "C" Model Mack chassis for FDNY in 1964. The Truco name was later dropped in favor of Eaton, and the idea was later purchased by Baker, and then of course Seagrave. I just did a quicky search for any references of Sutphen tower history, I could not find anything definitive, I did however find several references to the early 1970's.

Larry Shapiro's book, "Aerial Fire Trucks", does note the start of the Aerialscope for the FDNY as you described above, it just doesn't mention the Truco Div. of Eaton and just states that the Aerialscope was initially built by the Eaton Metal Co. in Denver, CO. in 1964. However, back a few pages in the book, it does state that in 1959, Sutphen began to contemplate an elevated platform aerial and that the first prototype of this device (a 65 ft. 3-section, all aluminum, midship-mounted, telescopic elevated platform) was built in 1961 on a Ford C-950 Series chassis. The first unit toured the country as a demonstrator for several years before Sutphen sold it to the Norwalk OH fire dept.

09-19-2012, 05:41 PM

LeadOff

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Originally Posted by FWDbuff

Useless information: Something many Mack/Scope fans do not know; one, and only one 'scope was mounted ona "B" Model chassis. Very few pictures of this unit exist. I cannot recall who it was for however.

I found this picture on another website of what is supposed to be the 1st prototype Aerialscope mounted on the "B" Model Mack chassis. Sweet!

09-26-2012, 07:42 PM

FIREMECH1

Haven't seen anything official on the cable issue. So I'm just curious, if the cable broke, or was it still in one piece when the fly section collapsed.

Rhut Roh Scooby, where's the info you said you'd share? Seems to me your more tied to Sutphen than just a user? Care to share? I'm not happy to see any builders apparatus have issues, but it is pretty good to understand what types of things go wrong and how one differs from another.

SUMMARY:
Sutphen Corporation (Sutphen) is recalling certain model year 2003-2012 SPH 100, model year 2000-2004 SP 110, model year 2003-2011 SPI 112 and model year 2003-2011 SAI 110 fire apparatus. In the affected vehicles, the bearings used for the extension of the ladder may seize causing the extension cables passing over them to chafe and fail.
CONSEQUENCE:
Failure of the extend/retract system can cause the aerial to unexpectedly retract. This movement could result in injuries to personnel on or around the vehicle.
REMEDY:
Sutphen has notified owners, and inspected all of the affected vehicles, repairing them as necessary, free of charge. The recall was completed on May 17, 2013. Owners may contact Sutphen at 1-614-889-1005.
NOTES:
Owners may also contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), or go to www.safercar.gov.

12-11-2013, 07:49 PM

SCOOBY14B

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Originally Posted by RFDACM02

Rhut Roh Scooby, where's the info you said you'd share? Seems to me your more tied to Sutphen than just a user? Care to share? I'm not happy to see any builders apparatus have issues, but it is pretty good to understand what types of things go wrong and how one differs from another.

I wish I could. Unfortunately...there is still litigation ongoing. Like I said before though, every manufacturer has required maintenance/lubrication...and that MUST be done.

12-15-2013, 06:13 AM

Box2565

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Originally Posted by FWDbuff

mmmm are you sure about this? I consider myself an amateur apparatus historian, and was always under the impression that the first telescoping boom platform was manufactured by the Truco division of Eaton Manufacturing, Inc. and mounted on a "C" Model Mack chassis for FDNY in 1964. The Truco name was later dropped in favor of Eaton, and the idea was later purchased by Baker, and then of course Seagrave. I just did a quicky search for any references of Sutphen tower history, I could not find anything definitive, I did however find several references to the early 1970's.

Useless information: Something many Mack/Scope fans do not know; one, and only one 'scope was mounted ona "B" Model chassis. Very few pictures of this unit exist. I cannot recall who it was for however.