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 ==Viridias's misrepresentations== 
 I am not aware of any source that says Hitler took ""sundry remedies"" for flatulence brought on by his vegetarianism. This story of Hitler as a vegetarian has the look and feel of an apocryphal folk tale intended to turn Hitler into a spiritual figure, according to Payne's opinion represented in the article, an opinion that the proposers are using to bolster their argument for a move.  You're engaging in the fallacy of rotten apples by claiming Payne is an unreliable source about Hitler's diet simply because he made an error about a separate incident that has nothing to do with his observations about Hitler's diet. We already have other sources indicating Hitler ate sausages, ham, and caviar between 1931-1945. If you wanted to refute Payne, all you would have to do is show that Hitler didn't drink beer or wine, eat sausages or caviar or keep a mistress.  You can't do that, so you are reduced to attacking his credibility on a different subject, which is essentially distracting us from the issue at hand.  Historian Robert N. Proctor supports the notion that Hitler ate meat, so Payne isn't alone in questioning the perception of Hitler's ""vegetarianism"" over the reality of his fondness for eating meat.  Payne's claim that ""Hitler's asceticism played an important part in the image he projected over Germany"" is also followed up on by Proctor: 

 ::::::::::Hitler's vegetarianism was remarked on prior even to 1933, however, when the Führer-to-be's personal asceticism was held up as the model Nazi lifestyle. Foreigners eventually took note, recording also some apparent backsliding.  Otto D. Tolischus in 1937 in the New York Times pointed out that the Führer was a vegetarian who ""does not drink or smoke"" but who also ""occassionally relishes a slice of ham"" along with delicacies such as caviar and chocolates.  Postwar observers have often—and understandably—used this to question whether Hitler was in fact a vegetarian. 

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 ::::::::::Hitler was indeed, for the most part, a vegetarian—though he did occassionally allow himself a dish of meat. Gestapo chief Rudolf Diels after the war wrote that HItler would sometimes eat Bavarian liver dumplings (Leberknödel), but only when they were prepared by his photographer friend, Heinrich Hoffmann.  The New York Times mentioned ham and caviar, but HItler was also said to have enjoyed squab...Hitler is said to have been unable to tolerate the idea of animals' being killed for human consumption, but at least one author has countered that this was an image deliberately crafted to popularize the German leader as kind and gentle.  Animal-rights historians Arnold Arluke and Boria Sax have noted that both claims may be true. 

 ::::::::::It therefore appears that Payne's claims remain intact and the notion that there is a legitimate dispute over Hitler's vegetarianism is repeated by a respected historian of science.  This is essentially what is driving the editors who are asking for a change of article name and it appears to be a complaint backed by evidence, not unreliable fringe sources as you maintain.    

 As I said above, you respond by simply producing Walls of Text designed to bludgeon editors into silence, and you do so by systematically misrepresenting sources and also misrepresenting what other editors have said in order to create fake ""answers"". I find this approach to dealing with any topic morally and intellectually repugnant, as it stops proper debate and proper evaluation of sources. All you care about is looking like a ""winner"" on a talk page, no matter what cheap tricks you use. Even your first sentence has no relevance to anything (""I am not aware of any source that says Hitler took ""sundry remedies"" for flatulence brought on by his vegetarianism"") Yes, he took remedies fotr flatulence. Whether it was specifically brought on by his vegetarianism is  arguable, but wholly irrelevant. Agument by misdirection. Payne is unreliable in this matter beause he is a potboiler biographer, not an expert, but also because this - and other books of his - are known to contain egregious errors. That is one of the ways we determine reliability. Payne is simply talking crap when he says that Hitler's vegetarianism was a fiction invented by Goebbels. If Hitler tucked into Steak and Kindney pies every night, he might have an argument, but the fact that his diet was vegetarian is a reality commented upon by ''nume