", 9 November 2012 (UTC) 

 ::As I said in my previous post, an extensively documented piece of social commentary is not the same thing as an objective truth about a society.  Once again, I go to the example of a movie:  It is extensively documented that when people watch The Godfather, they tend to say ""This was a good film.""  It is extensively documented that when people watch Plan 9 from Outer Space, they tend to say ""This was a bad film.""  You can back this up with reliable sources in the form of Metacritic averages, IMDb scores, and books written on both films.  It would be nonetheless improper to write in ''The Godfathers article that it was a good film, or in Plan 9s article that it was a bad film. 

 ::I don't see why we need to argue about this so much.  All I ask is that we agree to stop presenting opinions as facts, and probably shorten the summary of the opinions as well.  I'm not pushing an opposing POV, and I'm not pushing for any major removals of content. — further,  sayeth naught '' 06:51"