", 20 December 2011 (UTC) 
 ::And remember, it is Wikipedia's definition of ""fringe"" (plus a number of other definitions) that makes it not 'real' science. That includes combining ID and Creationism. Nevertheless, unless the definition itself is changed, the amount of positive change in the direction of Creationism that can be made is limited, yet not altogether unachievable.    13:34"