AZCactus. Man, thanks for all of your hard work, and thanks for keeping on this. Just know.. there are several seals I have seen that have words, etc. on them that are not the motto of the school, so there is some historical precident for this. Either way, I hope that you uncover a lot more about Sursum, et. al. in your research. Be sure to keep me up-to-date, will ya?