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 ::If you are referring to my comment, please don't misquote me. That's not what I said. I said that we don't need to ignore everything just because the Italian government does not recognise the title. Simply put: if one government grants a title to a person and uses a title to refer to a person, it is logical for Wikipedia to consider the title valid. It's not POV. The Eastern Orthodox Church does not consider Joan of Arc a saint; does that make it wrong to call her ""Saint Joan of Arc""? If the Emperor of Japan creates the title Duke of New York, why wouldn't Wikipedia have an article about that title and its holders? As I've said earlier, we do have an article about the Baroness Ryder of Warsaw. The King of England created the title Duke of Beaufort, which refers to a place in France, yet Wikipedia has a an article about the title and articles about the holders of the title. So, why not an article about the Duke of New York, should such a title ever be created?   "