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 ==Re Utica== 
 Are you also ? You should think about getting an account if your IP address is going to jump around like that. Anyway - thanks for helping clean up the Utica article. I appreciated the removal of the citation that Madison Square Garden was based on the Utica thingy. I doubt that the the designers of Madison Square Garden have even been to - hell, heard of - Utica. Fucken Uticans. They'd claim they invented the airplane if they could get away with it.