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 : I'm very sorry to disappoint you, but it's not possible to reach any possitive attitude with Maurice nor Mountolive since they wastes time to ban any contribution from all Catalan-speaker user. They imposes their own personal, and chauvinist opinions above of the external sources we're giving all-time in all discussions. They want to impose some kind of bad-called consensus when there are facts and external references that don't endorses this self-called consensus. Discussing about things not related to language, territory and colective conception of the people related to this language and territory?. No, thanks. If both they're really interested about this, they can work on this alone, they don't need help from anyone of us. Salutacions.   "