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 There is a dispute whether Henry Keogh should be mentioned on this page. Please discuss and present arguments for or against inclusion instead of edit warring.    

 Several interesting facts have been removed repeatedly.  

 I believe that it is of interest that the murderer himself, the Chief Justice hearing an appeal, the original State Prosecutor, and a journalist from a government TV station are all alumni of the same school. 

 The main arguments against inclusion seem to be that: 

 1. it will somehow discomfit young people viewing the page.  

 2. including Keogh's name implies that there are other murderers or potential murderers at the school, a patently illogical assertion. 

 According to wjs13: ""Nothing is interesting when it is upsetting people who go to the school and look up their school to see names of murderers"" 

 This seems a petty argument to me, given that there is a lot of potentially disconcerting material on wiki. I see wiki as an encyclopedia, a collection of facts presented from an npov, not some abridged, bowdlerised collection of pap for children of a nervous disposition. 

 I have tried to present the facts from an npov. I did not include rumours, for example, that Keogh is referred to by current and former students, and others, as The St. Ignatius Strangler because (a) they cannot be substantiated, unless photographs of graffiti count as citations, and (b) he did not actually strangle his unfortunate victim. 

 I have also not included the (verifiable) fact that Keogh was allowed leave from prison to attend the funeral of his mother at St Ignatius College. This is probably a step too far for the St Ignatius school page itself, but, I contend, it should be put on the Henry Keogh page.  

 :To move some discussion from my personal talk page: We do not have to include every verifiable fact about a subject in the article. Do multiple reliable sources about the school (not about Keogh) include that he went to school there? If not, mentioning him here might violate WP:UNDUE. If no sources have mentioned that all these people went to the same school, writing this here would be a violation of the no original research policy. Are there sources about the school that focus on the issue?    

 I did some researching in Yearbooks and his name never appeared once. Unlike that anonymous user here who claims that he was in a yearbook. Year Books 1968-72 don't exist! It does it for five years (1970-1975, 1975-1980 etc)   

 :Even if that yearbook exists: if the only source for ""Henry Keogh attended Saint Ignatius College"" is an old school yearbook from before the murder case, mentioning him here will be considered ""original research"". Are there other sources?    

 ::I respectfully disagree with the ""original research"" label, and agree that the yearbook is a sufficient citation.  The yearbook would be a primary source, not original research. A yearbook as a primary source does not require a secondary source, because no interpretation of the yearbook is being done; just simple reportage of the fact that was presented in it.  Please see WP:PSTS    

 It is not ""original research"". I have seen the year books with the class photographs. My uncle was in the same class as Henry Keogh.   

 :That is a primary source. Are there any reliable secondary sources that mention this? Or in other words: it may be true, but has anybody cared about this information so far? See also our ""original research"" policy, where ""original research"" has a precisely defined meaning.    

 Include. Although a press release for a school would generally not include a list of criminal attendees, an encyclopedia article should, under the subhead ""Notorious"" — just as this article has subheads for ""In sport"" and so on.  Notorious graduates are just as newsworthy, and encyclopedia-worthy, as glamorous or popular grads. Asking ""does anybody care"" isn't a good test; people cannot care about information that has been suppressed.    
 :As a tertiary source, we do not typically include information that no secondary source h