" June 2008 (UTC) 

 ::::: There won't be much point in me giving you examples, since you've clearly made up your mind that rapcore is not appropriate and without citations, you will simply dismiss my opinions regardless. However, since you have asked, I will answer. Given Up clearly has elements of hardcore punk, including screamed vocals, a breakdown, a fast tempo. No More Sorrow has elements of metalcore (the 'chug-a-lug' riffage), which fuses hardcore punk with metal. I could carry on but quite honestly, it's mainly Chester's vocals that give the songs a hardcore punk influence, his combination of clean singing and screamed vocals. A lot of the rhythms, particularly on the choruses where the overdriven guitar kicks in are similar in tempo and riffage to hardcore punk. ""Rapcore"" is certainly closer to Linkin Park's sound than ""rap rock"", which may or may not be the umbrella term. Linkin Park have, at no point, played rock music, aside from Minutes To Midnight, where rap vocals are at an absolute minimum, therefore they have not fused ""rap and rock"". Rise Against are a hardcore punk band, amongst other sub-genres, would you simply label them punk rock because it's the umbrella term? Hell, why not call Linkin Park a rock band, that's clearly the simplest way to label them. ""Rap rock"" needs to be changed to either ""rap metal"" or ""rapcore"" for accuracy. And as a side note, if you are indeed correct that ""rap rock"" is the umbrella term, let's see some citations for that, because unless you can cite it, your opinion is not valid. As far as I can see, the term ""rap rock"" has created some controversy on this Talk page, so if consensus agrees, this may need to be changed unless you can prove that ""rap rock"" is more accurate to use than ""rap metal"" or ""rapcore"".   13:52, 9"