" 
 : This discussion is quite heated and stressful, and I sniped. such sniping was inappropriate.  However I was not referring to specifico, nor to any recent event. In the prior (months ago) discussion, editors were indeed disputing the basic established facts (rather than disputing their importance, or their implications for modern debate etc). (see the link&quote; I mentioned to drmies above) At that time said that some of my opponents ""arguments reeked of holocaust denial"" (using a wider interpretation of holocaust than it appears others many use). specifico brought up a comment made many months ago, my response was in that same time context. to a degree, this is a guilty plea - the ""shoe fits"" comment was indeed intended to mean that people were attempting to deny basic facts about history (though not intended to mean they denied the final solution etc) . the comment was inflammatory and inappropriate both then, and my shoe fitting comment as well (but I think to a lesser degree), although I think it is being intentionally exaggerated to mean the more specific ""final solution denial"" which I certainly did not intend.  I am very frustrated by those that I feel are attempting to wikilawyer out of including any information or arguments contrary to their POV - however that is not an excuse, and I must always remain civil and in control of my tongue (fingers I suppose).   "