input: Why did Marketing disagree with kinetic energy as a solution proposed by Industrial Designer?
  Project Manager: Okay. Uh good afternoon. This is our third meeting already.
  Marketing: Good afternoon.
  Project Manager: I hope you enjoyed your lunch. {vocalsound} I did anyway. {vocalsound} Um let's see. Presentation three. Okay this is um the second phase uh we're going to discuss today. It's the conceptual design meeting. And a few points of interest in this meeting um are the conceptual specification of components. Uh conceptual specification of design. And also trend-watching. Um these are hopefully the points you addressed in uh your pre uh presentations you're going to show me in a few minutes. Um but first I'll show you the agenda. Uh first the opening. Then we have three presentations. Uh after that we have to come to a decision on remote control concepts. How we're going to make it. And then we're closing. We have about forty minutes. Uh so I suggest let's get started. Uh did someone encounter any problems during the preparation? No?
  User Interface: No.
  Project Manager: Everything fine?
  Marketing: {gap}
  Project Manager: That's nice. Then a little uh thing about the last meeting. Uh these are the points um we agreed on. The requirements and the target market. Uh requirements are uh teletext, docking station, audio signal, small screen, with some extras that uh button information. And we are going to use default materials. Um does somebody have any comments on these requirements? Maybe? No? These are just the the things we thought of, so maybe if you figured something else or thought of something else, just let me know. And maybe we can uh work it out. And we're going to target uh sixty to to eighty year old customers. So now everybody knows what we're do we're doing, um I suggest let's get started with the presentations. So shall we keep the same uh line-up as uh last time?
  Marketing: Sure.
  Project Manager: Okay.
  Marketing: I'll start off then.
  Project Manager: Good luck. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Doh.'Kay I'm uh gonna inform you about the trend-watching I've done over the past few days. Um we've done some market research. We distributed some more enquetes, questionnaires. And um besides that um I deployed some trend-watchers to Milan and Paris to well get all of the newest trends. And I've consulted some additional trend-watch trend-watchers, after the original trend-watchers return, about what the the best design would be. Um okay these are some overall findings. Um most important thing is the fancy design. Um the research indicated that that was by far the most important factor. Um innovativeness was about half as important as the fancy design. By innovativeness this means um functions which are not featured in other remote controls. Um about half of, half as important as the innovativeness was the was easy to use. Um for our um group, we're focusing on the people of sixty to eighty y years old, this is um, these factors are slightly more equal.'Kay these are some more group specific findings. Uh the older people prefer dark colours. Uh they like recognisable shapes, and familiar material. And our surveys have indicated that especially wood is pretty much the material for older people. Um this is, this image will give you a little bit of an impression about um the look-and-feel that um the remote should have. Um this leads us to some personal preferences. Uh the remote control and the docking station should uh blend in in the in the room. Um so this would mean no uh eye-catching designs. Just keep it simple and {disfmarker} Well the docking station and small screen would be our main points of interest, because this would be the {disfmarker} These would uh be the innovativeness in the remote control. So this would be very important that we {vocalsound} at least include these features. Um well the trend-watchers I consulted advised that it b should be, the remote control and the docking station should be telephone-shaped. So you could imagine that uh the remote control will be standing up straight in the docking station. This is not really {disfmarker} This is pretty much a new shape to uh older people. So they would prefer uh a design where the remote control just lies flat in the docking station. So it would be kinda more telephone-shaped. Um besides that we would advise um to bring two editions, one with a wood-like colour and maybe feel, and one with a grey-black colour. The wood-like for the more uh exclusive people. People with more money. Uh the grey-black colour for well people with less means. That would be all.
  Project Manager: Okay. Thank you. Any questions about the the trends?
  Marketing: Any questions?
  Project Manager: Mayb
  User Interface: Mm no.
  Project Manager: No? Okay, we go on to the next one.
  User Interface: {gap}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Um {vocalsound}'kay um yeah. {gap} uh some uh research uh a about um designing of an interface. Um the uh last meeting uh we had a about um uh using a f few buttons. So uh um uh that's w what I what I want to uh uh to do in uh our design. So um finding an attractive uh way to control uh the remote control. Um the uh {disfmarker} I found some uh something about uh speech uh recognition. So maybe uh we can uh use uh that. Um {disfmarker} Uh and uh using a little uh display. So um findings. Um yeah just um we have just to focus on the primary um functions. So uh only uh buttons uh for uh sound, um for uh on-off, um uh shifting u up uh sa uh ca channel or uh down shifting down. Um uh let's see. Um yeah and {disfmarker} Uh {gap} we uh need some uh new a attractive functions uh uh which attract uh uh people for using it. So uh it's uh like a speak uh speech uh recognition and um a special button for selecting uh subtitles. Just uh what we uh mentioned uh last uh meeting. Um and yeah overall um user-friendly. So uh using uh large large buttons. Um {disfmarker} It's uh possible to uh uh to make um quite cheap uh system for uh speech uh recognition. Um you can think about um uh when you lost your um remote control, you can uh call it and um it gives an um sig signal. So uh uh yeah. And and uh for uh shifting up a sen uh c ch channel or uh for um uh putting out uh sound or something, you can uh just give a sign uh say um sound off or {disfmarker} A and uh yeah. Television uh put the sound off uh put the sound off uh. Um {disfmarker} Let's see. Uh yeah. I was thinking about the special uh button for uh subtitles, um just one button to keep it uh simple. Uh one push on the button uh you get uh uh small uh subtitles. Um double push push um, if double click, um so uh you get uh big uh subtitles, for uh people uh um uh which c f uh who can't uh read small uh subtitles. So uh {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker} Yeah and w we have to keep uh in general buttons uh so um we've got um the buttons we have to use. The on-off, sound on-off, sound higher or lower, um the numbers, uh zero to uh uh nine. Um the general buttons m more general b one button for shifting up and shifting down uh channel. Um also we want to uh use a little d display uh for um for displaying the uh the functions of the buttons. And um we can uh build in a function f which uh shows the channel or some uh which the t television is on. So um made a little uh picture of uh it. Um {disfmarker} See. Um yeah. Just um we can put uh the on-off button uh over in this uh corner, um almost uh e all uh remote controls uh are using a on-off button on that place. Um so uh people uh will uh recognise uh um the button.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: So um {disfmarker} D display uh of it, it's uh just a small display. Uh um you can put it uh on top. Um it's uh most uh uh place where people uh, most of {gap} looks at. So uh um and a special uh button for shifting up uh and uh shifting down uh channel, um it's uh on place where um the thumb of of the {disfmarker} So you you can uh easily uh shift up or shift down. Um it's uh quite uh handy place. So um and uh all the f functions for subtitle uh one button, uh for sound uh {disfmarker} Uh and uh for our design, um uh we have to discuss about it uh I think uh so uh the form of it so {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Okay.
  User Interface: And that's it.
  Project Manager: Uh thank you. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Okay. About the components design. Um for the energy source we can use a basic battery or, a as an optional thing, a kinetic energy, like in a watch, which you just shake and it produces energy. But if we choose for that option, the docking station would c become obsolete. So I don't think it's really an option. Uh for the casing, uh the uh manufacturing department can deliver uh a flat casing, single or double curved casing. It's really up the the design that we're gonna use. It's uh doesn't uh imply any technical restrictions. Uh as a case supplement, we could um, I thought of that l later, uh a rubber uh belt, like a anti-slip. Uh for the b buttons, we can use plastic or rubber. And the chip-set, um it says simple here, but it should be advanced, because we're using an L_C_D_ uh screen. And as uh the trend-watcher presentation showed, um people like wood, but it raises the price and it doesn't really fit the image, unless we would start two product lines. Form should follow function overall. Um well the kinetic energy source is rather fancy. But depends on what we want. I think we should disc discuss that. Um for the case, uh the supplement and the buttons, it really depends on the designer. And the chip-set uh really should be advanced because otherwise uh it would really be a simple uh remote control. And that's it.
  Project Manager: Okay. Thank you. So that brings us to the discussion about our concepts. Mm.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager:'Kay. So these are the points we have to discuss. Um first I think we can talk about the energy source, since that's um has a pretty big influence on production price, uh and image.
  User Interface: {gap}
  Project Manager: Uh so uh f I think first of all we have to see uh it is possible to introduce kinetic energy in our budget, I think.
  Industrial Designer: Yes w there there are four options. We could use the basic normal battery.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Uh a hand dynamo.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay {gap}. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: But I don't think that's {vocalsound} really an option.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: You don't wanna swing before you can watch television.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Uh solar cells. But not every room is very light
  User Interface: Mm.
  Industrial Designer: so it's not a very good option.
  Project Manager: No.
  Industrial Designer: Or the kinetic energy.
  Project Manager: Yeah. Okay.
  Marketing: And how exactly does the kinetic energy work?
  Industrial Designer: Well y you basically shake your remote, and then it powers up.
  Marketing: You just {disfmarker} You use it and it works.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Nah.
  Marketing: Okay. Well personally I don't think that older people like to shake their remote control before they use it.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah. That's true.
  Marketing: And besides that you mentioned it would make the docking station obsolete.
  Industrial Designer: Oh.
  Marketing: And I think our docking station could be one of the marketing issues with which we can um get great popularity for our product.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: But
  Marketing: Um wel
  User Interface: what's the function? Yeah f for loading up uh the batteries {gap}.
  Marketing: Yeah you could load up the batteries,
  User Interface: B b
  Marketing: you could um insert the find the lost remote control function in there.
  User Interface: Okay but uh it won't use uh much e energy uh I I believe. Uh it's uh just a small display so I believe uh it will run on one battery for um six months or f or or more. So I believe one battery uh is just enough.
  Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Uh so {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Uh well I think uh elderly people just like to have everything in place.
  Marketing: That's true. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: And I don't think they they like uh remotes just laying everywhere in their rooms.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Project Manager: So maybe a docking station will help them give the remote a place.
  User Interface: Yeah. That's true. Yeah.
  Project Manager: And also what you said. Um you can introduce voice recognition by uh finding back your remote.
  User Interface: Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: But I think it's um more efficient and cheaper to put it in the docking station.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: So you have a but button on your docking station which you can push, and then it starts beeping.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Project Manager: And then we can we can still use the voice recognition, but maybe then for only the the channels.
  User Interface: Yeah. Uh.
  Project Manager: That's safe.
  Marketing: I'm wondering um what will the voice recognition mean for the production price?
  Project Manager: Yeah. That's a good point.
  Industrial Designer: Mm I don't have any information on pricing. So I'll have to ask the manufacturing department.
  User Interface: Mm.
  Marketing:'Cause in our earlier um market research, if you'd allow me to go to the flat board, SMARTboard.
  Project Manager: Yeah, sure. Go ahead.
  Marketing: Um so it was open here. Um we also um asked if w they would, if people would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control. Well you can see here, our target group would not do that.
  Project Manager: No.
  Marketing: So if that would increase the price for which we're selling our remote control
  User Interface: Mm.
  Marketing: I would greatly advise not to do it.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: {gap}
  Marketing: I think that would be better to uh insert in our other product, that is meant for the
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: younger people.
  User Interface:'Kay.
  Industrial Designer: But that would also go for the L_C_D_ screen then I guess. It's a bit higher percentage, but {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Um well this is Yeah but this is here the question was, would you prefer it. So that doesn't really mean they wouldn't pay extra for it. And on top of that the L_C_D_ screen would um help in making the remote control easier to use.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Okay.
  Marketing: And I think a voice recognition function would not make the remote control much easier to use.
  Project Manager: Easier to use? No, I think that's a good point.
  User Interface: But uh is uh our uh research um about um bi large uh L_C_D_ sh uh display, or uh just a small one uh we want to uh use?
  Marketing: Um well this was for like an L_C_D_ screen like you would have on a on the the most advanced mobile phones.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Marketing: So pretty large.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: I personally think the L_C_D_ screen we wanna use, with the extra information, I think nobody has anything against it. Because it's just uh some extra information,
  User Interface: No.
  Project Manager: and it's easy to ignore as well. So if you don't wanna use it you just don't use it.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: And um yeah I think the um {disfmarker} Maybe we have to uh discard the voice recognition. Because it will increase cost uh signifi uh significantly. And I don't think the {disfmarker} I don't think it will be a lot easier to use, as well.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: So that brings us back to the energy. If we don't have the voice recognition, it will it won't use a lot of energy to use. Um {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: So in that case we could use kinetic uh energy, but I think just a simple battery which you can reload on a docking station is just as good. And much cheaper as well.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: And that's the best choice.
  Project Manager: Okay let me just choose for the battery. That brings us to the chip.
  Industrial Designer: Well there isn't any choice there because we're using the the the the display.
  Project Manager: Just the advanced.
  Industrial Designer: So it's gotta be advanced.
  Project Manager: Okay
  Marketing:'Kay.
  Project Manager: {gap}, advanced chip. And then we get to the point of the case. Um which brings us a little bit back to marketing as well. Uh if we wanna choose for wood or the black and grey. Or both? Um as we saw there is not {disfmarker} Yeah wood is a lot more expensive to produce.
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: Um but I think it will attract elderly people who wanna have something exclusive, which they can show off to their grandkids.
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: Look I've got a new remote control, and uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Uh I dunno.
  Marketing: Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And I think most important factor there is the wooden colour. So it wouldn't actually have to be wood,
  Project Manager: Yeah. That's right.
  Marketing: if it's just
  User Interface: Mm.
  Marketing: wood-coloured.
  Project Manager: But with colour was a lot more expensive? Or?
  Industrial Designer: Mm I dunno.
  Project Manager: You don't know?
  Industrial Designer: I'll have to uh research.
  Project Manager: I think so because {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Marketing: Probably.
  Project Manager: It's a lot more difficult to to handle and to to get in the right shape.
  User Interface: Mm. Uh is it possible uh to make um changeable uh case. So um uh you'cause uh {disfmarker} Yeah with uh mobile phones uh uh so uh like the Nokia mobile phones, uh when you can change the case of it.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: So
  Project Manager: Change the cases. Yeah.
  User Interface: maybe it's possible uh possibility. So um um you have just to make one um standard um remote control, and um yeah you can sell uh few uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: You can sell the cases.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah. I think that's a very good option. Because um then you can advertise as well with the {disfmarker} Give your grandfather a new case for his remote control, or whatever. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Because that's a {disfmarker} it's something extra, it's something other remotes don't have,
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: which we can get a great advantage point.
  Marketing: Yeah that is true.
  Project Manager: So and then you can make them with colour. Black and grey, other colours as well.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah. We would have to look carefully into the design though.
  Project Manager: Costs.
  Marketing:'Cause we would have to make one w uh control which would fit in with a wooden cover and a plastic cover. The more original one, or the more standard one.
  Project Manager: Yeah. Yeah. So
  Marketing: So that would {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: you suggest we should design two different telephones on which you can apply, yeah {vocalsound} remote controls, on which you can apply different case covers, for example.
  Marketing: Well I wouldn't design a telephone
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Well no I think w we should just, we should then just design one um
  Project Manager: Remote.
  Marketing: one remote, but it would have to be fancy with either the wood cover or the plastic one.
  Project Manager: Yeah. Okay.
  Marketing: So, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
  Project Manager: So everybody's okay with the changing covers? I think that's a good uh good option.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yes.
  Project Manager: Changing case covers.
  Marketing: Um I heard our Industrial Designer talk about uh flat, single and double curved.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yes.
  Marketing: Could you explain that a little more?
  Industrial Designer: Well the the general like most older remotes are flat, just straight.
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  Industrial Designer: And uh our d manufacturing department can also deliver single curved or double curved ca curved cases.
  Marketing: And what would single curved and double curved mean?
  Industrial Designer: Um it would just only affect the form, for as far as I know. So it's j really just up to the design department what we're gonna use. It doesn't really matter for the price or the functionality.
  Marketing: Okay. So we can pretty much just do whatever we want.
  Industrial Designer: Pick one you like, yes.
  Project Manager: Mm. Okay.
  Marketing:'Kay. That's good.
  Project Manager: Uh but the form has to be um {disfmarker} It has to {disfmarker} It's has to be possible to stand up? Or just only to lie down?
  Marketing: No just to lie down.
  User Interface: {gap} okay.
  Project Manager: And the the cover of the the docking station is also
  Marketing: We'll go for that.
  Project Manager: on top of the television then? Or not?
  Marketing: Well or besides it.
  Project Manager: And you can just yeah then click it in. That's okay. Um so the interface. What type of interface do we want to use? Um maybe you can make a little drawing of it on the
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: on the the board.
  User Interface: Mm.
  Project Manager: Does somebody have ideas for a form or
  User Interface: Uh we can just use the regular form of it, but it's um not quite uh fancy. So um {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Marketing: Um you uh said you wanted to put the um changing channels button on the right side,
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: so you could, so your thumb would be easily {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Well uh I think that was a very good point'cause I pointed out earlier that a lot of remotes cause R_S_I_.
  User Interface: {gap}
  Marketing: So that would be great for that. Um I thought maybe we could just make one of those buttons on both the left and the right side.
  User Interface: For uh {disfmarker} Uh for {disfmarker}
  Marketing: For left-handed users also.
  User Interface: Yeah yeah.
  Project Manager: Yep.
  User Interface: Mm. Yeah we Is it possible to um program it s so uh you got on the left side uh or on the right side uh buttons for for shifting u up and shifting up? And on the uh other uh {vocalsound} uh o other side uh buttons for uh shifting, uh for for the sound? Or {disfmarker} Or isn't it?
  Marketing: For the volume. Um well
  Project Manager: Mm.
  Marketing: that could {gap} Yeah we could do that but I'm not sure if that would be very good for the easy, ease of use.
  Project Manager: Usabili Yeah ease of use will be a lot more difficult,
  User Interface: Yeah okay.
  Project Manager: and then it's {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Uh.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: But if we would make um a changing channels and changing volume button on both sides, that would certainly yield great options for the design of the remote.
  User Interface: Mm.
  Marketing:'Cause it could be made all symmetrical and stuff.
  User Interface: Yeah
  Project Manager: But you have extra buttons.
  User Interface: but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: So people can get confused.
  User Interface: Yeah. Yeah.
  Marketing: That is true.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Especially if they have the same writings on it.
  User Interface: See um yeah. Or we have to make a left uh {disfmarker} For lefties
  Project Manager: Can't we make uh {disfmarker} Can't we make a remote which you can flip over and use on the same
  User Interface: and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: functions as the normal one?
  User Interface: {vocalsound} You mean um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Then you have to {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah if {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Let's see if I ca A blank one. And then you get {disfmarker} Here's a little L_C_D_ screen. Uh now I have to think. It's a plus and a min. No it's not very handy I think. Because the plus and the min will be opposite
  User Interface: Mm no.
  Project Manager: and all kinds of {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: No that's not gonna work. I guess. Maybe we should {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. But is it a problem that left-handed persons use a different hand? I think the functions are that basic that nobody should have any problems with uh choosing a channel
  Marketing: Yeah. That is true.
  Project Manager: or {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah. It's just uh u using uh your thumb.
  Project Manager: Y yeah. Yeah.
  User Interface: So um it's {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: I think we could just uh leave it a normal shape.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Uh but maybe we have to make it a l a bit more fancy. In one or ano another way.
  User Interface: Yeah. Um {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I think we should start by by choosing a case. Because that's the basis you're building on.
  User Interface: Yeah yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Um yeah
  Industrial Designer: So I could draw them out.
  Project Manager: just {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Let's look at the flat case. Oh. It's from the side so it's rather normal.
  User Interface: Mm-hmm.
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: The the single curved so I'm not really sure what they're gonna look like, but I think it's something like this. So this type should be better for you or better {disfmarker} Should prevent repetitive strain injury a bit.
  Project Manager: Easier?
  Industrial Designer: And the double curved s looks something like this I guess.
  User Interface: Mm.
  Industrial Designer: So th those are the three options we have.
  Project Manager:'Kay.
  Marketing: Mm.
  Project Manager: I suggest um the single curved, because maybe the curve is pretty good to put the the screen in.
  User Interface: {gap}
  Project Manager: Uh so that elderly people can uh use the remote control and at the same time look easily at the screen, because it's a bit, it has a bit of a angle.
  User Interface: So um {disfmarker} Do you say this um {disfmarker} S uh {disfmarker} Uh you got like uh sort of a {disfmarker} I believe {disfmarker} {gap} There?
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  User Interface: So um you want to put a display over here? Or not?
  Project Manager: Yeah. I think so. Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah. Um {disfmarker} Yeah. Uh
  Project Manager: But now it's {disfmarker}
  User Interface: we can make it um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Do you have it upside down or {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Mm?
  Project Manager: Do you have it
  User Interface: That's the top.
  Project Manager: this that's top? Okay.
  User Interface: So uh this top. This down. Um maybe it's possible to uh make this side like um {disfmarker} Let's see. Um {disfmarker} Colour uh okay. Uh to make this side um like mm the right colour.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Um bit like so uh um in the form of your hand. So um {disfmarker} Uh it's an {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: So so the remote control have to um lay in your hand. So uh it's possib um yeah for s so and
  Project Manager: So get your mouse. Yeah.
  User Interface: And to put uh the the buttons for um changing uh the channel uh over here uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. That's a good one. But I think it's better to put the screen uh on top.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh rem
  Project Manager: So just flip it a hundred and eighty degrees around then you get {disfmarker} {gap} here.
  User Interface: Yeah but this place um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: If you can have this one, you turn it like this. And then flip it upside down.
  User Interface: Uh it's {disfmarker} Yeah I dunno um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Because uh maybe your hand is in the way, if you have the display here.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  User Interface: {gap}
  Industrial Designer: It's more logical to have it on top as well
  Project Manager: I think i
  Industrial Designer: because, like on your mobile phone, it's always above.
  User Interface: Yeah so {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: On top.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Oh maybe you should just s start on a blank page.
  Project Manager: {gap}. So
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: then we get {disfmarker} Here's {disfmarker} That's the curve.
  User Interface: Five minutes. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Here the display, and then buttons. Yeah and then we can have a little bit off here and here maybe. Just that's for left hand and right hand users.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: And then h the rest of the buttons over here.
  User Interface: Yeah. But um the on-off button, um still on the top uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah still here
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: jus
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: That's {disfmarker}
  Marketing: And I'd prefer the corners to be round.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah.'Kay.
  Project Manager: Should be more bit more friendly,
  Marketing: Think that would be better.
  Project Manager: yeah.
  Marketing: Friendly on the eye.
  Project Manager:'Kay. Supplements. That's okay. Where's my mouse? Then {disfmarker} We've got a general idea of the concepts and the materials we're going to use. So now for the next meeting uh we'll have to look at the look-and-feel design. It's important that the corporate design image uh is going to be in the remote. So check out the corporate website maybe. The user interface design, it's the same story. And product evaluation. So the Industrial Designer and User Interface Designer are going to work together on this one. But you're going to get your instructions I think sended by the coach. So just um I will put these um minutes on the in the folder.
  Industrial Designer: Okay.
  Project Manager: And then we're going to uh try to finish our project, and uh make a good design for all the grandfathers and grandmothers, I think.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Which are {disfmarker} Uh let's see. I'm not sure if you're going to start right away to work together or {disfmarker} I think you're going to fill in the questionnaires first.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: And then you'll get a message.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: So that's uh basically it. Maybe this one? Then we can save this one in the folders group. Uh yes, it's here.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} SMARTboard, there it it. So if you wanna have a look at it, it's over there in the projects folder.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: And then I guess we'll start in thirty minutes again. Thank you.
  Marketing: Very good.
  User Interface: Okay.
output: For one thing, Marketing argued that target customers as the elder generation tended not to shake their remote controls before using. For another, he believed that the docking station was in a position to load up the batteries, therefore, the basic normal battery would be sufficient for the charging need, which was confirmed by User Interface who pointed out that remote control with a minor display would in no way be power-consuming.