CNN host Chris Cuomo and White House counselor Kellyanne Conway traded verbal jabs at each other in a wild 30-minute interview on Thursday night. Cuomo opened the interview with a primer on this week's avalanche of news, including court cases involving President Donald Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen. Conway and Cuomo were soon sparring and, at points, talking over each other in a wild 30-minute interview. CNN host Chris Cuomo and White House counselor Kellyanne Conway traded verbal jabs at each other in a wild 30-minute interview on Thursday night. The two were set to discuss this week's avalanche of news, but the interview soon went off the rails. "There's a little difference between you and me and the shop you're working for," Cuomo told Conway at one heated point during the interview. "The White House?," Conway replied. "Integrity," Cuomo said. "How dare you," Conway shot back. "How dare me?," Cuomo said. The interview comes after a particularly tough few days for President Donald Trump, whose former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort was convicted by a jury on eight counts of bank and tax fraud, among other charges. Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen also pleaded guilty to multiple crimes and implicated Trump in two of them. One of those crimes involved a $130,000 payment Cohen said he made "at the direction" of Trump made just before the 2016 election to keep the porn star Stormy Daniels quiet about a sexual relationship she said she had with Trump. Cohen's account conflicted with Trump's and the White House's previous statements on the hush-money payment, which led The Washington Post to call the statements a "lie" in its fact-checking analyses. That fact wasn't lost on Cuomo, who flatly referred to Trump's remarks on the payment "a lie." But Conway deflected the accusation and steered Cuomo's interview towards other subjects — talking points that echoed the White House's criticism against media outlets, including CNN. The following quotes have been slightly edited for clarity. Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's former personal attorney, and Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman. Associated Press/Craig Ruttle; Associated Press/Alex Brandon; Business Insider Allegations of Russian collusion by the Trump campaign: CONWAY: "Where is that? You've spent so much sweat equity, invested in so many screaming graphics and time, and experts talking about everything from impeachment to collusion." CUOMO: "You got to ask Mueller, he's not done with his investigation," Cuomo said, referring to special counsel Robert Mueller. CONWAY: "No, let's be fair. You weren't waiting for Mueller. CNN is not, respectfully, [waiting] for Bob Mueller to finish his investigation. Because you've been talking about collusion and been promising it to your viewers." CUOMO: "Never, literally not once." Cuomo went on to describe Conway's portrayal of CNN as "patently untrue." CUOMO: "We don't promise the audience an outcome. We tell them that you have to respect the process." CONWAY: "I don't want your viewers to, and I know your viewers expect to be fed anti-Trump virulence every single night. And they come away quite satisfied." From left to right: Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's attorney, special counsel Robert Mueller, and Trump. Shayanne Gal/Business Insider; Alex Wong/Getty; Jonathan Ernst/Reuters Criticism of CNN's coverage of Trump: CONWAY: "You know [CNN's] audience doesn't trust the White House. Because all day long, on your network, all they hear is how terrible we all are. That we lack integrity. That we lie." CONWAY: "Which word do you think has been mentioned more on CNN? Collusion? Fentanyl? Impeachment? What do you think is mentioned more on CNN? Twenty-nine thousand people died last year in this country because ... of Fentanyl." CUOMO: "It all matters. It all matters." CONWAY: "Zero died because of impeachment. Zero died because of collusion. Zero died because of the word 'lying.'" CUOMO: "That's not the bar of presidential behavior. So here's what you're saying — so, if the economy's good, then you can lie whenever you want. You can divide the country any way you want. You can play to racist sympathies whenever you want. But it's o.k. because the stock markets up." That one tweet: CONWAY: "Secretary of state Mike Pompeo going back to North Korea again because they're trying to denuclearize ... " CUOMO: "Was he going there before or after he goes to South Africa to help out those white farmers?" CONWAY: "Christopher, come on. Be serious." Cuomo referred to Trump's late-night tweet on Wednesday which said he directed Pompeo to "closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers." Trump appeared to allude to a conspiracy theory and dog whistle for racist and white nationalists — a conspiracy based on South Africa's post-apartheid land reform which suggests white farmers were being killed. Studies have reportedly shown, however, that the killing of white farmers in South Africa have been at a 20-year low. A poster for University of Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts hangs in the window of a local business, in Brooklyn, Iowa, August 21, 2018. Charlie Neibergall/AP On domestic politics: Conway criticized CNN's coverage of the death of 20-year-old college student Mollie Tibbetts, which coincided with the convictions of Manafort and Cohen on Tuesday. The network did provide coverage on Tibbetts' death and the arrest of her suspected murderer, but dedicated the vast majority of airtime to updates from Cohen's and Manafort's trial. CNN's coverage on the trials is contrasted by Fox News, which dedicated the majority of their airtime for Tibbetts' death. Fox News has since been accused of downplaying the significance of convicting Trump's former associates, and fueling his warpath against undocumented immigrants. CONWAY: "There was wall-to-wall coverage about a missing woman in Iowa until she was found, and God rest her soul, and then ..." CUOMO: "God rest her soul? You're not letting her soul rest. You're waving her like a flag ... 'if you're not with us about immigrants, then you don't care about Mollie Tibbetts.'" CONWAY: "How dare you. How dare you."<doc-sep>Chris Cuomo took another shot at the seemingly impossible task of trying to get Kellyanne Conway to admit her boss, President Donald Trump, is a liar and it was perhaps their feistiest CNN clash yet. It wasn't so much an interview as it was a bickering match, with both personalities talking over each other throughout the entire "Cuomo Prime Time" segment Thursday night. While Conway tried really hard to pivot to various talking points, Cuomo remained steadfast on one goal: getting the White House spokesman to “own” lying about not knowing about payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal -- both women who have alleged affairs with Trump —- during the 2016 campaign. Of course, Conway never gave him that satisfaction, but it certainly was entertaining to watch -- if you enjoy the blonde White House spokesman repeatedly referring to Cuomo as "Christopher" and insulting CNN. But if you just wanted some honesty for once, it was another disappointment. CNN anchor Don Lemon summed it up best during a post-show interview with Cuomo. "I can not get that 20 minutes of my life back." It was actually 32 minutes, and since you're all busy, we thought we'd just give you the feistiest exchanges from our favorite cable news odd couple. Own It? No, You Own It While Cuomo was trying to get Connway to admit the president lied about knowing about Michael Cohen's $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels —- citing both audio of Trump allegedly talking about the deal with Cohen as well as Cohen himself telling prosecutors Trump was aware -- she demanded Cuomo own what she believes is a network bias against the president. “I know your viewers expect to be fed anti-trump [rhetoric] every single night and they come away quite satisfied. And let's be fair here, that's true, you should just own it. Just say listen, it's great for revenues and ratings,” Conway said. “You want me to own that?” asked an exasperated Cuomo. “You won't own what is so obvious and I don't get it. You could say, 'Did he lie? Yes he lied, he's not perfect, but it's not illegal. '” The Cuomo Tapes After Cuomo played a series of clips seeming to prove Trump's lies about the payments, Conway distracted with this question: “You know what tape I want to hear? Tell us what's on the tape of Chris Cuomo and Michael Cohen. What's on the two hour tape of the two of you?” “Tons of stuff,” Cuomo immediately answered, but said he wasn't going to spill any details. “There's a little difference between you and me and the shop you're working for — integrity.“ “How dare you,” Conway fired back. “How dare me?" an exasperated Cuomo said. "You admit he's lying about these things. It's as plain as the nose on my face. You should admit he's lying, and you don't, it's why people don't trust you.” He continued to bulldog over Conway's objections so he could explain that Cohen recorded their conversation without his knowledge. “How do you feel about that?” Conway asked, sounding like Cuomo's therapist in the moment. “I think it was dishonest and a bad thing to do. And I'll tell you what. You wanna know what we talked about in the conversation? I'm not going to tell you. Do you know why? Because it was off the record and I respect that, even though he did me wrong, that's called integrity. What do you do when peopel aren't watching? I'm still not going to burn him, even though he did me wrong.” “But hold, this isn't about me. You tried, you failed,” he added. You're a Disappointment, Too. When Cuomo cited Cohen as living proof Trump has been caught lying, Conway asked, “The Michael Cohen who you just said disappointed you by being dishonest?” Coumo reasoned Conway is a disappointment too, yet he's still talking to her. “You're disappointing me right now, doesn't mean you're not my friend, doesn't mean I don't think you lie all the time, just because you're disappointing me.” Then Conway called out Cuomo for continually talking over her. “You've got about 10 times the words I do so far, and I'm the guest.” His reasoning: “Because you're not answering a simple question.” “Christopher, here's a very, very simple answer to you. When you say to me that this is why the audience doesn't trust you — you know what the audience doesn't trust the white house. Because all day long on your network, all they hear is how terrible we all are, that we lack integrity, that we lie. What is it you think I lie about?” We recommend she Google it, because there's a lot. Conway Cries Sexism “He won't even let me speak. I think it's kind of sexist the way you're conducting this interview. How's that?” Conway asked with a grin on her face. "You're not letting the woman talk about it.” “Oh please,” Cuomo responded. "I treat you as somebody who comes in here to represent the president. You know, man, woman or other, you're gonna get the same treatment from me.” “You're not letting me speak.” “I am, but you're are dissembling and you are distracting,” he shot back, but threw in what we think was a subtle compliment: “Nobody can shut you down, we both know that.” This Isn't Fox News When Cuomo remained firm that he would not let his guest tell lies on his show, he jabbed his cable news competition in the process. “I can't let you say things that aren't true, that's not what this show is about. That's Fox. You go to Fox for that.” Conway pounced. “I'm so glad you mentioned Fox, because none of you are able to get through most of your shows without mentioning them. It's not a good look to be so jealous of Fox News' ratings. Cuomo shot back with more shade. “I'm jealous of the opportunities they get to test power, they just don't take them.”<doc-sep>Kellyanne Conway, counselor to President Donald Trump, accused CNN's Chris Cuomo of being "jealous" of Fox News's ratings during an interview on Cuomo's show on Thursday evening, amid a heated exchange on the Trump administration's track record on a number of issues. Conway repeatedly shot down demands from Cuomo that she admit that Trump had lied over statements regarding payments made to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford. Cuomo and Conway also argued about the president's track record on the opioid crisis, prison reform and employment. "Why doesn't it matter to you that there are 6.6 million jobs available right now for Americans," Conway said on the Cuomo Prime Time show. "The president is working on prison reform, he's breaking the back of the opioid crisis." "He's not breaking the back of the opioid crisis," Cuomo interjected. "It's terrible, we both know it is. It's spreading. I can't let you say things that aren't true. That's not what this show's about." After Conway asked, "Christopher, what are the stats?" the CNN anchor said, "That's Fox. You go to Fox for that." "Excuse me, OK, I'm so glad you mentioned Fox, because none of you are able to get through most of your shows without mentioning them." "I almost never mention them," said Cuomo. "It's not a good look to be so jealous of Fox News's ratings," Conway said. "I'm jealous of the opportunities they get to test power," Cuomo shot back. "They just don't take them. That's what I'm jealous of." "I'm not in the business of attacking other people in the business," he added. "You do," Conway said. Throughout the debate, Cuomo and Conway spoke over one another, with both struggling to get a word in at times. Read more: CNN's Chris Cuomo tells Fox News's Laura Ingraham to 'leave' America 'if you don't like' it At one point, Conway accused Cuomo of "sexist" behavior after he repeatedly spoke over her and at certain points did not let her finish her sentences. "He won't even let me speak," she interjected at one point, appearing to direct her comment to crew members. "I think it's kind of sexist, the way you're conducting this interview." "Please, please, I treat you as somebody who's here to represent the president—you know, man, woman or other." "No, you're not letting me speak," Conway said. "You're shutting me down." "Nobody can shut you down," Cuomo shot back.<doc-sep>CNN host Chris Cuomo and White House counselor Kellyanne Conway Kellyanne Elizabeth ConwayKaren Pence confirms move back to Indiana: 'No place like home' Pence urges 'positive' agenda to counter Biden in first speech since leaving office Kellyanne Conway joins Ohio Senate candidate's campaign MORE clashed in an interview Thursday night over whether President Trump Donald TrumpTrump lashes out after grand jury seated for New York criminal probe Schumer tees up vote on Jan. 6 commission bill Senators struggle to save Jan. 6 commission MORE lied when he said he had no knowledge of hush-money payments made to silence women who claimed to have had affairs with Trump. Trump's former longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen told a judge this week that Trump personally directed him to make the payments to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal, whose allegations of affairs with Trump came to light during the 2016 presidential race. ADVERTISEMENT Conway, who began the CNN interview advising the host not to embarrass his mother on television, took issue with Cuomo's assertion that Trump was lying when he claimed that he had no knowledge of the payments beforehand. "The president lied about what he knew about these women, he should not lie to the American people, in their face, time and again," Cuomo said. Conway demanded that Cuomo play Trump's answer to questions about whether he knew about the payments made to Daniels and McDougal. Cuomo responded by playing the tape as well as another supposedly recorded during the campaign and released by Cohen that depicts the lawyer and Trump discussing payments made to the women. “You know what tape I want to hear?” Conway shot back, ignoring Cuomo's remarks about the tape. “Tell us what’s on the tape of Chris Cuomo and Michael Cohen.” “You should admit he's lying, and you don't, and that's why people don't trust you.” CNN’s @ChrisCuomo clashes with Counselor to the President @KellyannePolls over President Trump’s many lies: https://t.co/PROIlIUb0p pic.twitter.com/3mewhZWDg0 — Cuomo Prime Time (@CuomoPrimeTime) August 24, 2018 Conway was referring to news reports that an unreleased tape recording made by Cohen included a conversation with the CNN anchor, who responded by attacking Conway's integrity. “There’s a little difference between you and me and the shop you’re working for: integrity," he said, before remarking that Cohen had requested his talk with Cuomo be off the record. Cohen told a judge this week that Trump, who has previously denied advance knowledge of the hush-money payments that Cohen made during the 2016 election, had directed him to make the payments in the weeks leading up to Election Day. Cohen, who surrendered to the FBI this week, pleaded guilty to charges of bank and tax fraud as well as campaign finance violations related to the hush-money payments. He entered his guilty plea the same day that Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort Paul John ManafortLegal intrigue swirls over ex-Trump exec Weisselberg: Five key points There was Trump-Russia collusion — and Trump pardoned the colluder Treasury: Manafort associate passed 'sensitive' campaign data to Russian intelligence MORE, was found guilty on eight counts of bank and tax fraud.<doc-sep>
A CNN interview with White House adviser Kellyanne Conway turned into a tendentious debate when host Chris Cuomo told her that the difference between CNN and the Trump administration is "integrity." 'That's why people don't trust you' "Where in the [Paul] Manafort trial is Russia collusion Trump?" Conway challenged Cuomo. "I don't care," Cuomo replied. "You should care," she responded. "The president lied about what he knew about these women," Cuomo said. "He should not lie to the American people, in their face, time and again. The Washington Post does a blow by blow take-through, it's the first lie they've ever flagged in their fact-check." "Just because you are saying that, wait, I have a very simple question for you," Conway said. "Why is it not important for you to replay and talk about the president's own words, why don't you show him answering that question?" "Because he's lying," Cuomo said. "No, you don't want people to see him answer the question," she charged. Cuomo disagreed, and then played the tape secretly recorded by Cohen, but it was not the tape Conway wanted played. "Yeah, he knew later on, he knew before, he's lying!" Cuomo said emphatically about Trump's contradictory statements about the payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels. "Is that Michael Cohen and President Trump talking about ..." "You know what tape I want to hear?" Conway interjected. Cuomo sighed in desperation. "Excuse me, tell us what's on the tape of Chris Cuomo and Michael Cohen?" she asked, "What's on the two-hour tape with the two of you?" "Tons of stuff," he responded. "OK, well tell us! Transparency, accountability, facts first, why?" Conway mocked. "I'll tell you why I can't," Cuomo responded, "because I'll tell you why, because there's a little difference you and me, and the shop you're working for, integrity..." "The White House? How dare you!" she exclaimed. “You should admit he's lying," Cuomo fired back, "and you don't, and that's why people don't trust you. That's why, right there. Cuomo continued to say that Cohen took steps to make sure Cuomo wasn't recording the conversation, but then himself recorded. He added that he would not betray Cohen's confidence even though he had kept their conversation private. The rest of the debate descended into Cuomo and Conway interrupting each other and talking over each other. Here's the video of Conway's debate with Cuomo: "What is it about powerful, articulate women on TV that bother you as guests?" Conway asked at one point. "C'mon Kellyanne, you don't have to play cheap with me, just own what's real," Cuomo responded. Michael Cohen, Trump's former private lawyer, pleaded guilty and claimed that he violated campaign finance rules at the behest of then-candidate Trump. Many have claimed that this pushes the political pendulum towards impeachment of the president, but few Democrats are openly calling for what would be a very divisive act of Congress.