This disclosure relates to user interfaces (UI's) for touch input devices, and more specifically for touch input displays used with electronic devices such as tablets, smart phones, touch laptop computers, touch enabled display monitors and the like. Many devices provide user control over various operating parameters of the device. In many instances, a UI is operated by a user to increase or decrease a value or quantity associated with a software application the device is running. A UI may be provided for controlling volume or manipulating tone controls of an audio software application such as a streaming audio application. UI's are also used to control various other quantities where progressive increasing or decreasing of a quantity or variable, or directional scrolling through a list of data elements is desired. Previous examples of touch controls have difficulty in proving both gross (i.e. large) and fine grain control in a single control. All examples and features mentioned below can be combined in any technically possible way.