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Now, look it's right. Yeah intro. What's up, everybody? Welcome to The Bachelor after show here on AfterBuzz TV. Thanks so much for joining us. What an episode guys. Wow. It was something it was something something more the last week put it that way right at the very least. We actually have an episode to talk about what's up if you guys are joining us for the first time. Again, this is The Bachelorette after show on AfterBuzz TV. I am your host Christine Alexis. We are down a panelists tonight our lovely host. Jeff is in here, but I'm joined. And we voted out moment. This was Survivor We actually voted her mom didn't get a rose. They didn't get it. I'm getting but I am joined by two of our amazing panelists. I've got the lovely Mike feeling with me. What's up guys excited to be back I missed two weeks, but I was watching at home and last week. I really thought I fell asleep the generally I looked at my phone. I thought I fell asleep. I look back and I said that I miss an entire chunk of the episode. No, no, no you didn't and we have the lovely Renee area. Hey you guys, can I just say Peter gets more? Above All by each episode Peter. Oh my God. First of all, I feel like it needs to be addressed because you said it who knew Peter was Hispanic? No, they're saying in the chat to that's right. No one. I got a big up to the chat because that is what everyone is talking about tonight. I mean at least to start Peter wow, a little Latin flavor for us sure. He'll yes, but we actually have an episode to talk about guys overall thoughts on tonight's episode. It was better than last week. I hate Luke and he's manipulative and was gaslighting hand tonight. And I love Peter a lot agree is definitely better than the last week, but that's not really difficult to do. I also dislike most of the guys at this point and we finally agree on something that's bad. That's big for the history of AfterBuzz and I think it's really obvious who the final two, maybe three Our God and even before this episode. I feel like it's almost painfully obvious and I think they're kind of string and Luke along because Is honestly he's the only interesting thing going on in the show. I got agree with you that it is becoming very painfully obvious. Who the Front Runners are. I know we said, you know, we finally have something to talk about this episode but it almost feels like filler because the drama and the suspense of who could potentially going home was lost on me because we kind of guessed it while we were watching look the two guys we're going to get to it. Right but the two guys that got eliminated they barely spoke All Season, we had very few interactions. Neither of them had a solo date, right? So this was almost a filler. Uh, so because we had to get two more people out to get to the real meat of it. I got the same way. We're like what someone's name the Dustin and the other one. I wonder who's going to go home. Literally the two guys we forgot about they seem nice but they did have a chance from the start Dylan had a great exit where he like said, she was gonna I mean the classic thing but it was very sweet and I was like, oh my God Dylan, that's her name your sweet. Good guys Paradise. Sure, maybe potentially. Well, we'll get to that later and We have some tea by Paradise as well as as well, as some more really really scathing news and gossip that you're going to want to stick around for that later. You know, I got you at the tea, but we got to get in tonight's into tonight's episode which we're still in Latvia Riga to be exact. We got so much love a lot of episode bottom mount a lot of romantic puns and just Riga themed things, but that tourist board really good money's bad guy. Yep, but basically we're starting off on just like a happier note Hannah's happy. P you know she wants to continue to have a happy Journey to Find Love and keep it positive and we start the day off with a one-on-one with carrots. So the the date card says can I trust our love and they went bungee jumping naked together thoughts on this episode on the date guys. See my question is were they actually naked or was Hannah topless in underwear? I cannot imagine that they were towed. I don't buy it. I really don't buy it. I think they were topless and Basically naked but I cannot imagine them truly both but is it buck-naked or butt naked because I think I've said it wrong. I think it is. Well, it is naked and then someone wants to like, it's Buck Naked the most - I always been wrong my whole life. Anyways can't imagine them actually being naked. I still hate Garrett. I'm sorry Gary. You're so beautiful. You can't kiss you bother me. Now. I agree. I believe that it was supposed to be underwear and I'm actually I'm going to give it to her that Hannah pulled a little surprised and pulled her bra for the last second. Yep. That's what I think happened. Really? Yeah, even though prior to that point like the people who went before them came up to them naked singing gotta do this naked. I think they were naked. I like to give everybody the benefit of Doubt, right? That's what you're saying. Right? I think that Hannah was really surprised. I think the producers probably told her was going to be bungee jumping and all of a sudden there was naked people and it's like, whoa, that's why yeah. Otherwise if she was all in on it, there'd be no reason to have a bra and have to take it off. The last second, right? Yeah, we're going to show down there before you show up there. Let's be real Mike. We're really agreeing on a lot tonight. That's scared. We'll get he's a wicked something. I'm sure we're going to spend some time but speaking of agreeing the chats agreeing with your sentiments. Renee people are brief 5:3 says Garrett is so effing annoying people. The people are not feeling Garrett and I have to say I agree. I mean, I think that just if we're talking specifically about Out there date right now, which we are it was it was a cute date. No, I can shoot over him. I'm sorry. I'm so I canceled Garrett after he pulled the petty move was it last episode? It wasn't eight years ago because last episode was so long and boring speaking of that petty move. I thought it was interesting that kind of before they get into the date. He is saying in his confessional that he learned a lesson actually. No, he said it to Hannah that he learned a lesson from the cocktail party drama and that he's going to try to move past the the drama and just be more present. Her which is interesting because he stirs the pot again later in this episode. But whatever Garrett they move on after the bungee jumping date, they move on to their dinner together and what I really like about this part of the date is that Garrett actually does ask Hannah a bit more about herself, which is what she's been harping on this whole time. He asked her to open up about the hurdles that she's moved past to be who she is. What do you guys think about this? This moment is a redeeming for him. Are you still just Like over it. No, I'm so over it. I thought it was like a sweet moment. I thought Hannah was well-spoken probably because it wasn't in like a speech cheers type of moment. But yeah, I just I'm just like does anyone does anyone in the chat like Garrett because truly it doesn't look like it and you know, he's got to be bad if we agree. Yeah, Gary Garrett lot. So I've been talking a lot. We were doing a little bit of a ruthless recap, you know with Jeff and I've been talking about something I saw. On another YouTube channel so sorry, I don't remember but is a great Channel hit my been Bachelor Nation or something, but they mentioned this concept of white Knights and it never works out for the guys when they do this kind of stuff and that's all I thought he was doing it's like you got to stop caring about what the other guys think what the other guys are doing and just focus on Hannah. So what he did at their little dinner was right on that's exactly what should happen. But you see it is too little too late. I just don't like it. This point is already the taste in your mouth as bad as a viewer. He's totally tainted for me. I'm just like I just kind of wanted to leave at this point. He's got some love Emily Jenna they love Garrett. All right, but that's good. Not in general in general. It's not going so good in the chat. Also, he still he can't kiss like him down this like whole of hate is like, what is he doing to her mouth? And then slowly we realize he's also Petty and then he's just a pretty face really pretty really pretty face. But that's it Garrett. You're saying yeah, I love Face because I think he's super cute on the outside Hannah's obviously into him. She keeps giving him a chance even though he clearly stirred the pot on a lot of things but she's giving him the benefit of the doubt. They obviously have a connection that she wants to keep him around or their date they dance to this random cello player who's outside playing music from like that guy big up that guy. I hope that guy gets a lot more Instagram followers and quick. Shout out to Olivia be in the chat that is right the channel talking about his Bachelor fan take that's right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That makes me feel like the producers like oh she's gonna send him home tonight. Like we don't need to worry about getting like Luke homes to perform for them and oh shoot. She kept him. I don't know. Do you do ceiling like cello players on the street? He doesn't even know he was being filmed. It's like what's happening? This is my corner get off my corner Miss brown sugar in the chats of hand and basically friend zone Garrett during the date. He's not long for this show. Mmm friends finally got that Vibe. I didn't get friend zone. But I also think he's going home next episode. That's my prediction. No, I got the vibe. I know what she's talking about because when he was asking those questions, he did a lot more talking than actually asking and talking about wanting to ask like all these guys are doing I really want to get to know you and find out how you were then just ask about her instead of talking about Ashley ass, but remember they kept shooting back to her and she looks superb or it was like a glazed eye. Look. I'm just like it's going and he's talking and talking and talking. It's most interesting. Sounds like well lack everyone in my family was really into football. Yeah, and but I hate it. I did you see her face drop when she said he did. Yeah. She's super Roll Tide Bama say, yeah, of course guys, literally that hot like you're opening up about that about yourself that you realize you didn't like football and your family was into football and then you're over foot like well, I I could I couldn't it it goes to a boring spot. Yeah. I kind of fell flat. I mean the biggest part of their date was the fact that Y nud bungee jumping because that kind of kicked off all the drama that comes afterwards everything else exactly. It was a setup for Luke but a setup, but before we move on to the second part the group date want to tell you a little bit about AfterBuzz. Oh, yes. First of all, we'd like to thank you all for making us the ESPN of TV talk but you know what you may be surprised I was surprised that we have so many more shows besides this show here if you subscribe. 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So before we move on to talking about the group date, we actually do need to spend a moment and just talk about what happened after Garrett came home from the date because the guys are sitting around and he starts going off about how amazing his date was and you know spilling some details kind of doing a little kiss until I guess if you want to put it that way and this is when loopy just becomes incredulous that Garrett would share these kind of details about what they did. He's incredulous over what they did and it's just this is where we really start to see the thread unravel at least within this episode with Luke. Yeah. I'm all right. Absolutely. Did you guys think no not really unravel because he's still there. He's still there. The threat is strong. It was a lot of Rivals. Do you guys have an issue with the way Garrett brought up his date at all. Did you think that he was like showing off or just was it casual? It was a little Cocky for me a little but I also think because I've already written him off. I'm biased so I think if I like to Garrett, this wouldn't have come across in an unlikable way like it did for me. Yeah. However, I don't think it then validated what Luke's reaction was whatsoever. But then again, that's everything Luke reacts to I say objectively it didn't bother me because I know this is a show thing they come back they're supposed to off. They're always hanging out in the little thing. I'm with the couches and they all have to tell about their date. It's super produced. You know, they're going to do it and all the contestants should know they're going to do it. So I didn't think it was super bragging or anything like that. It just is what the show is he's going to talk about his date. Absolutely. And even when the guys aren't on the date, they have them sit in the room together and talk about what do you think's going on on her face lie cause drama. Yeah. It's like these guys are making out with her like crazy. Like we said, she's jumping on a lot of these guys. So for any of them to come back from a date and be like we made out and Other ones to act Omaha High it gets him I come on they watch their kids going off on the group date. So it's like they can't not assume those things are going on fish heads and making out. I think though it's the way you say it for me. It's not that he shared what happened on the date it was and that's why I think I'm biased because I've already written him off like for me it was kind of his tone in the way. He said it because I do believe if it were Peter and he was sharing that information about that date. It wouldn't have I wouldn't have had a second thought it was the way Garrett said it and probably Bleah that stems from how I've seen him communicate with like Luke in the past and it just it. I don't know. It feels like he would be the type to say something knowing that it would hopefully maybe trigger Luke for funsies not because he's like, he feels like he needs to but because he hates that dude and I don't like it because I think it's Petty and that's where this all comes from. I think it's fascinating because I like seeing Luke get triggered now because it's so easy. It's so easy, but it's obviously Only thing tell me what you guys think. I think it's the only thing interesting right now in the season if everybody's dates Go amazing and all the connections are fantastic. Then there's literally no drop all the other guys are like high-fiving each other like oh, yeah, Pete you deserve this solo date. No, I'm trying to win the show. I want to be with their I don't care what you deserve or what you think whatever I don't know, but I just I disagree only to say that I think even if loopy wasn't in the equation this process brings Rings out the crazy and people if it wasn't him it would have been someone else like I don't think even if he wasn't there, they'd be all high-fiving each other and being happy. I think someone else would reveal themselves to be a problem. Do you think so I agree? I don't think I don't think any season is devoid of a villain of any sort like it could have very well. Garrett could have been that the problem child had Luke not been in the equation and he would have been the source of all of our drama this whole season like for me it was such a loss when Crystal was sent home on our season because here's the thing. I hate watching and Luke, I think. You represent something just I really don't like with this toxic masculinity and the gaslighting. I just don't like it. Crystal was a ball of a time. I loved Crystal. One of my favorite moments in The Bachelor is when Crystal comes home from her date, and what was the date the date and just pallets in her room great. Honestly great TV. She also it's a known thing obviously in The Bachelor world that like you come back from your date and then you talk about your date and another episode Crystal just wouldn't tell anyone about Her day and she had the first one. Yeah, everyone was so confused. Yeah, I like her. So she's engaged now. She isn't here nice work Smitty Paradise works. There's hope for us all so I think that because when we lost Chris Halls like, oh man what Where Do We Go From Here There will still be drama when Luke please go home next episode. I feel like he might when he does go home, but it'll be a different kind of drama because it's getting down to like the last five or six or whatever. So now it's just going to be like, ooh now we all have real feelings for her. So who's not meant to be And stupid shit like that the chat seems pretty divided Joseph Boza agrees with you. Mike says. Amen Mike Luke falling for Hannah is the only thing that is great about this show. I mean now I'm not going to spoil it. But the news we've got later put such a bad light on people. We think are genuine that it's like you don't know what to think now. Anyway, you guys love you guys chew on that. We gotta we gotta move on from the we'll get to it. But let's move on to this group date on this group date. We have my Mike Jed Tyler Dustin Luke, Connor and Dylan and the date card says let's discover Riga AKA. Let's walk around and have a normal date what they do which we said this off screen. It's exactly like Mike State his one-on-one date and exactly like Judds one-on-one date. Just walking around kind of seeing the sights and sounds it's a nun fun group date you this is meant to be a solo date. There's no kind of crazy activity. There was no little challenge for them to all trying to battle over to get a little one-on-one time with her or anything like that. Maybe she just really wanted a chill experience here and no drama or know kind of keep fighting and I guess so. Yeah, but I don't know it's not what I want to see maybe they're like out of budget. Maybe Riga is expensive. There's some interesting some interesting things that happen on the date as you mentioned some ways eating a fish head. They took some moonshine shots, which I think got Hannah real live. Yeah and had a little verbal diarrhea. They're sharing about her date with the guys which you know, is it? Okay for the guys? Yeah, he was doing some that one producers put him right next. Yeah, let's talk about that. She's literally what are they on a train or something? They're traveling somewhere and she's just like, oh my God guys, like the other day. I did this like she's talking to her girlfriends. I couldn't believe how forward she was about it not knocking her for it, but I just thought it was interesting to bring that up on the date and Luke is just throwing shade the entire time. I found that interesting because my impression And when she did that was oh, she's really comfortable with what happened on the date. It wasn't a very intimate or anything like that kind of experience. So that's why she's comfortable. Just telling everybody like it's not a big deal. That is how I interpret it. That's not how Lux odd now. I know because like you when you're naked you're Temple against Garrett. He makes some really interesting comments about is that the point in the episode he says it was a boneheaded mistake. And it's when he goes to talk to her. Right? Right, right. Yeah, you're on that's when he goes to voice his concerns in the way that he's been instructed to do by Hannah. She wants him to be vocal about how he feels and he brings it to her later and tells her that he was not comfortable with what they did on a date someone in the chat super-quick c Capital C little see space Capital C brought up a perfect Point here loved it when Tyler see brought flowers on the group date. I just want to point that out because that's exactly what you got to do, especially on. Kind of date is you make time to have a little private one-on-one date. I agree that move definitely paid off in his favor later on because he ended up getting the group date Rose, but great move by Tyler not so great move by Luke, which we'll get into. So do we where we at with this they have good vibes and then later on right? So Hannah and Luke talk about how he felt about what she did right kind of exposing himself here kind of Saying some slut shame me comments. Yeah, absolutely. It seems like in his mind at least he is some kind of reformed born again. At least that's kind of how he's portraying himself that he ran around with a lot of girls in college. He talked to Jesus in the shower and now he's, you know born again which hundred percent there are folks out there and that's their experience. That's fantastic. I don't think Renee is buying it. But that's how it comes off. That's how he Use to be treating her, right? Okay, Luke. Let me just tell you the point that he is tried to make to Hannah is so toxic and unhealthy because it's a way of like he's trying to take control. It is manipulative later on. He then chose another manipulative Behavior, which is gaslighting of like taking it back and just making her think that he said what would be okay enough to make hair keep him around. Around I don't like him at all. I don't like his reaction to this because it does stem from like the need to control Hannah. This has nothing you can do whatever you want with your self. And if you're born again after being an F boy in the past good for you, but on your beliefs go for it. You want to stay a born-again virgin until you meet your wife absolutely go all day have fun. But like you can't then try to control someone else and what they do with their body, but even the I said it didn't this didn't even have to do with him freaking out about sex. It was that she exposed herself to another man in a non-sexual setting and he didn't feel like that was that was out of control and it's so disgusting to me the fact that he felt it was his place to tell her about it. Yeah and what threw me off the most was he started the conversation comparing it to like what it feels like to be cheated on. Yep. And I was like, yeah dang that's like yeah the point in here like you stretch that like Like another this is what we were talking about a little bit when it happened. I think that that was actually a genuine reaction. I think he's got a very short fuse and I think he found out he got hyper jealous real fast, and I think he flew off and I think she just like you were saying we were watching it. He thought she would appreciate him saying this but that's the problem. He planned it. That's the manipulative - it's not like he went in and I was his genuine reaction it. Like he planned out that conversation clearly not well, but he wanted to say he I mean even the way he went back to like I want to be there for you when you mess up like a no matter what I want to be like he was trying so hard to be manipulative. But because he is a little dumb he didn't do it in a really great way because that's what I do believe that when he comes back to her when he was saying the at least this one part of when he was like if you make mistakes, I'll still be on your side. I genuinely think that she wanted those things to be separate but it just came out so wrong because he's falling yeah to manipulate her saying it saying at the same time definitely came out wrong. Do you just for Devil's Advocate? Yeah, what's up? Do you give him any Credence or credit? Because she really did say last episode that she wants him to be more forthcoming with his feelings and what he actually thinks just playing Devil's Advocate that would be the response to do if he really felt that but the problem is that's not That's different. It's saying like hey, this is how I'm feeling in the moment. That's a whole other thing than trying to control and judge her for the choices. She makes with her body and honestly, that's another way he's manipulative because he can go back to you told me that I should say I'm feeling and I'm saying how I'm feeling which is then guilting her when let me tell you you can meet someone like someone say hey, I want you to open up to me and if they say to you like hey, sometimes like I dream of like killing animals you can be like, oh, thanks for sharing, but I don't Want to date you anymore and at any point, that's fine and they can't go back and say but you told me to say how I was feeling which is what Luke will do and I don't like that. That's the thing. I'm sorry. Yeah. No, I agree with Renee. I completely think that he misinterpreted what she was saying when she sang share your feelings. It's saying like I feel vulnerable right now or just just more about who he is not being so robotic. It's not giving you a free pass to just say unkind things or untrue things or things that are really out of his Lane see what I did there hundred percent, but what I'm saying now is Is he is damned if he does damned if he doesn't so even if he was good on 100% really? Okay, he could have worded it properly if that was his actual gut jealous reaction to hearing about that. There's a right way to word it and to come off so you don't do what he did but it's going to look terrible no matter what he does now because we know how he is, but that's no that's not what it is. It's the intent it's his intention behind it if his whole thing was hey. I heard that you were naked with Garrett and I'm realizing that like this through this process that I'm falling for you and like I got jealous and it made me uncomfortable and I know you have every right to do whatever you want to do. I'm just realizing like how hard this process is right there. But to say Hey, you are naked with another guy and you did and it was just like bungee jumping without him being your husband and but like that's your little judgmental. That's not shed your feelings. That's that's imposing your judgments on someone. I don't like it. That's exactly what I'm saying. There is a way to say it correctly, but I don't think he can overcome that somebody's or even so it's not that he actually feels that way. Yeah, that's the dip. Sure. Well now if he said the first thing that you said it would still be him being manipulative because he knows the right thing to say exactly right? Is this the way he can't win anymore, but it's not that he's not it's not that weren't saying he can't win because now we're judging him and blah blah blah. It's because we know that this is what he does. Is he a douchey parent he repeats back exactly what Hanna wants him to say, so that's why I would feel that way not because he can't win because then if he comes around he already said how he feels so why would he go back and dig know? I actually meant this like this bullshit that I mean the whole when I know you're going to go to it later, but the whole him trying to backtrack on what he actually said that was very very poor. That was obviously calculated you could tell his cogs were turning on how can I fix this and still try to stay on the show because he absolutely was referencing that it was the same breath. Yeah. Pull your naked Temple was push up on this other guy. But hey, if you do boneheaded stuff, I'm gonna be here for you. And I'm like it's obvious man is a really bad walk back and and you know Cheyenne Taylor and the group chat made a good point. She says the way he talked to her was unacceptable. She should have confronted him right then and there the delayed reaction just fogged the whole situation, which is I agree because she didn't feed into it when he brought it up the first time she kind of pulled him aside later and told him how she felt about I guess she needed some time to process see I I think the girl just wanted a non drama night. I know I agree. I can't deal with this right now. I had a great day. I'm having so much fun. And I'm gonna continue to have fun tonight and I'm not going to deal with this. I think she completely can't compartmentalize this and then brought it up later as opposed to like needing to process it. I think she just didn't want to do because who would every episode there's something with Luke. Yeah, I mean, but then later on like that gave Luke some time to forget what he said and then backtrack and what he said and just gas-lit her they just completely gas law. 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He's still there somehow I could just be Chris Harrison being like it keep him. But know it this is a perfect example like abusive relationship. So a lot of the time when you are being manipulated in someone is Gaslight, You you do question yourself, and I don't think Hannah's confident enough and how she feels for him and like which direction that is. I mean even think of like when she said I'm either falling for him or he's driving me crazy toxic relationships you guys when you don't know if it's like oh but these strong feelings in these brushes, but like also there's a lot of manipulation and gas lighting and a lot of toxic Behavior. That's not something to be ignored. That's not love. That's not what love is supposed to be and I think a lot of people experience this and seeing it play out on TV as a whole other ballgame but like recognizing it for what it is is very important so we don't get into how unhealthy patterns ourselves and I hope Hannah will realize this I'm sure she will in the next couple of episodes but this does happen to people it absolutely does happen to people. Yeah. I'm I'm a little surprised that it happened to her because I think she is a really strong person and he's strong woman and she hasn't known them that long so I think a lot Out of I mean everybody's different obviously, right? We're not psychiatrists or anything like that. But a lot I think a lot of very bad relationships very manipulative relationships. They do have the benefit of time. So the person who's getting manipulated can say well when we first met everything was great something just happened. So I have to fix it. She doesn't have a lot of time invested in him or anything invested in you really so I'm just I totally agree with what you're saying. I totally know it. I'm still surprised that just by herself. She really wants to keep this going. I think it's producer interaction. But this is another thing about toxic relationships. A lot of them. Hold on to whether that be a week a day a month a year when it was good. You keep wanting it to go back to when it was good because that was an ultimate high. It's the rush. It's like what she said in the beginning. How should the strongest connection off the bat with real she went on with the shirt is for it to go back to that and think about it this way. Yes sure. They haven't had a lot of time together, but the show is to find your soulmate in like three months. So everything you're feeling Our high-end everything's a bit more extreme. So yes, I'm sure she's holding onto that first night or week or whatever. It was that things were so good because that's a big chunk of how long she's known any of them. Alice makes great point. You could be a strong woman and be in an abusive relationship. You're absolutely right Lee. You're absolutely right. I am not trying to dismiss that whatsoever. I just think with all the I don't know, you know, but I think she's clouded somehow. You don't know until you've been in it or you had a friend be in it because you can only speak on your own experience, but I think a lot of like a lot of women in my life that are so strong have gone through something like this and I when you're like hearing them explain it and justify it your I'm a very empathetic person. So like I hear them and I get it. Yeah, so I don't know. I feel like we should just wrap up the hole. Me Gary thing because I know they talk about it later after Peters. Well, he was 30 seconds here. Should we break her go back to this? Because I feel like we're in the thick of talking about it or will come out. I mean, there's plenty to say well we'll pause on the the loop Hannah drama and talk about something brighter and lighter which is Peter's one-on-one date with Hannah based. The date card says it's time. No, actually what I wrote down was Hannah says it's time for Peter to have all of me like he deserves and I was like, Okay, groom clearly something clear. She's been waiting for this one for a while and so is Peter can we believe that this is the first time he's had some like a real one on one with Hannah. It's been forever. I know I just think he's been so solid that it didn't matter. That's a good point. I think so stay out of the drama except for last week when he spoke up and said I'm over this it was so huge is so solid with him that he didn't need the one-on-one. So that's how I think up till now and now he definitely deserves it. Yeah. She's really ready and Link to give him the reassurance that she quote unquote says he needs they have a lot V in style spa date together, which was kind of comical for us that couple that they brought in to kind of see them through it and randomly sing to them. I love them. I love that guy and his wife smacking people with the Laurel leaves or whatever was awesome. Yeah, they have they have some fun together. It gets real hot and heavy side of the yeah Pierce, which is their sauna experience together lots of straddling. And going on real bonding experience, right? But yeah, that's what happens at the spa any thoughts on that. I love Peter. I think I think I said that one one time earlier this episode some time this season. You mentioned it. Listen if Peter doesn't win this season, he better be Bachelor. He is the only person that has yet to piss me off in some way that I know their names. Mmm-hmm. Yep. That's all I'll say I Thought that their little Shack there with the sauna looked like something out of that new horror movie Midsummer, and I'm really excited for that movie. So I was about to be excited to see what happened to them was a little bit cold tea when they were going in there. It's kind of like you're going to enter the pit and the two will become one variable. So wow, like what they're dressing them with crowns and stuff. It seems like a sacrifice but it was okay. Yeah, they do some like sensual spice tasting. It's like they really go all into it. What is Midsummer it semis? Oh, Our producer there Ryan in the chat put it down, but it's actually Mi DSO mmer. It's an upcoming horror film that Jordan Peele said was like the I'm a craziest. So I'm excited. When does it come out? We are not Ryan check out check on that producer. I yeah, we're not sponsored by mid-summer, but I believe shortening Midsummer's Night Dream. No. No, I was like, oh, yeah, I guess I could see that when you were like, oh this reminds me about Mike I guess. Well, speak of them soon Peter everyone in the chat as loving Peter. They're loving the action that Peter enhance she had together. Yeah. And again, as I said at the top who knew that Peter was Hispanic, he definitely dropped in a cute little line in Spanish and I was cute. I was feeling it guys. I don't know why you but it's like hey, how are you Peter fever? It comes over you Peter. He's keeping it spicy. He's great, but we liked him since episode one. So that's not surprising and I love that in the state as well. She went into it really wanting to assure. I'm that he's in a good spot. And he does the same he reassures her that he's all in he says, I really really like you. I almost thought he was going to say I'm starting to fall in love with you but clearly Peter's not there yet. But he really really is into her. He asked her asks her about where her strength and her confidence comes from and I love that. She actually flip the question on him about his career and how that affected his dating life. I thought that was such a great question. Yeah to ask someone who is a pilot for a living and he's only 27 years old guys. I'll tell you I'm 27 right now. I'm single and I like to have fun so I can only imagine someone like him who's living this High Life jetting around but then presents his like the super-sweet guy who's ready for love. I like that Hannah took that time to like see through that and be like, well, how does this affect your relationships got to be pretty rough because Pilots are always on the go. They got weird weird schedules a lot of time overnights and things like that and I've heard some really depressing stories of them super being shut-ins when they come back from their trips. It's also very scheduled, you know, so be rough. I know a few Pilots. I nope. I don't know any pilots from like major airlines or anything. I know all the pilots. I know fly private sounds but no they they that's like the either teachable to fly or they fly someone for a living but their schedules are so crazy. Yeah impossible to get to maintain a stable relationship at least with the ones I know so I can't imagine if you're working for a major airline constantly on the go, but you know, what if Winds, you can just sell sugar bear hair gummies from the comfort of his own home. It's true. You're welcome Peter. I mean, we've been selling High just give me a DM DM having call. You don't have her phone number. I mean, we've been so high on Peter like do we think that admission will change his chances at all or what do we think Hannah just doesn't care if she's I don't think she's just like she's like companion tickets, right? She's like baby where we going this week, you know, that's the couple's travel after. The show anyway, that's the only way to keep their relationship alive is Extreme situations because the real world will expose you but you know Peter does bring up that he was in a very serious relationship and you know, Renee made a good comment that maybe it was cut because I was like, he really didn't say much at all. He just said that he got pretty serious but it didn't work out why like why give us more like was it the distance you were just talking about your schedule was it because of that? Was it because of something else? We don't know about you yet. I want to know Peter tell us. Yeah, I would also like to know and I just I fully believe it's one of those things where like it's boring and off-camera and all they want is like the one-liner that they can use for like, well it didn't work out but maybe that's why I'm here, you know. Yep. Well their conversation went well regardless and then later on that night. We're going to we're going to get back to the loopy Garrett stuff, but thought it was good to point out that you know, Jed does. This thing he goes to find Hannah during the cocktail at their ceremony things to her again surprised the same song dude. This is same song. It was the same song as the talent portion, right? Yeah. Come on, dude. Yeah. I mean he did not like that. He goes for a big moment though. He's outside of her window like, you know, the guitar and every like he really is just showboating. I wanted a random other Latvian to come out of their window and be like shut up. Trying to sleep and American production company. He would have me blend it out into the song Savannah great shut up, but he wants to come inside you want to come inside. He does come inside they make out they they get real hot and heavy so jet is definitely still in her good graces at this point, which she stayed tuned a couple minutes later. We're going to get into some news and gossip that will definitely change mother and our debt is still in your good graces. I see the chat going off Kalin Weaver like very good comment. Jed was trying hard for that record deal tonight. Right. Oh, yeah falsetto notes that will sing anytime anywhere on the spot put me in the little vignette after the roses are handed out to you. Please records. I mean Hannah this one for Hannah people in the chat though it are definitely hope walk with says Jed can't sing like that be a Livi is trying to spill RT a little bit early. Okay, let's wrap up the episode guys after this point, you know Loop Ian Garrett confront each other emotionally. Parking lot of Lane talking in this Lane that lane who's laying looking at other lanes. This is almost as annoying as the last analogy that took off on Bachelor nation, which was between Eric and the guys on Bachelor in Paradise talking about moving with the cheese. I saw yeah, and this felt like it was leaning into that territory of like, okay guys, we get it don't look out the window, or maybe you can see through the window, or maybe you need to stay in your lane. Yeah, but you can't don't text and drive. Don't ya what that's good advice. But yeah, honestly analysis are we getting away from everything? You know, it was just wait the best was that I think Hannah's putting one and two and three together not the expression not the one doin to but we definitely want to get your guys take on when Garrett and Luke really confront each other and gerd becomes a little bit of a hypocrite, right? Yeah. Well, you got a great take on that Mike. Do you want to just say hey? Yeah, but I can remember it. We got a couple minutes left. Originally Garrett wants Luke to not talk about any of the guys when he's with her fine and he does and he gets angry. So then during this little interaction Luke says, okay, if you don't want this to go any further don't mention anything about me at the cocktail hour and then Garrett says it's none of your business when I talked to her about that's completely hypocritical. It's also none of his business with Luke's talks about then completely so you can't have it both ways either. Everybody's going to just shut up about all the other guys. Guys, or they're all going to keep spilling everything that happens. Just know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. It's Gonna Keep upsetting her and it's still the wrong move to me pilot. Pete isn't talking about other dudes. Tyler's not really talking about other dudes right and talk a lot. He just yeah, but he's doing fantastic. He's got a rose already to like the guys that just chill in the back right? Except my man grant grant was robbed this season the guys who just chill in the background that all these other idiots like moon go off. They're doing the best they Tyler and Peter both brought up the drama this week during their one-on-one like their one-on-one time with her in a way that didn't make them look bad. They brought it up in the just like we hate it to see how sad you were I was upset because some yes, so they handle that. Well, unfortunately loopy and Garrett did it and we are short on time. So we're going to wrap it up there because we know we're going to have more to talk about next week when these to go head-to-head because they both got a rose tonight. So let's just get into this last Rose ceremony, you know eliminated where Dustin and Dylan are gone who and who We're getting there gone from the competition. Loopy gets the final Rose of the night not surprised not surprised at all. Yeah, I mean what else do we have to say about that hand looked great in her dress. Awesome dress dress was everything. I'm sick how she gonna top it. That's the perfect. Oh my God. I tune in next week tune in next week to see what dress. Oh my gosh. I hate that were rushing through this last bit, but it was not an interesting Rose ceremony. It literally called it. Her name was played. Playing it right away. Yep. I can predict three seconds in advance. That's right. Three seconds boiler help Alan. It's powerful. It goes back to our overall sentiments about the episode when we first started that it just be it's at this point. It's very easy to see who the Front Runners are and we're really getting down to trimming that fat and getting down to the nitty-gritty so really quick before we get into some news and gossips gossip predictions for next week guys, please actually it's more of a prayer that Luke p goes I'm hoping Being that next week. I'm hoping we're not doing a cult in fence jump thing. And I hope that next week is when she gets really upset. And if it is Luke that he's the one that the confrontation over her sexuality and who she slept with and things like that comes to a head next week. Yeah. I also predict that that's going to happen next week only because I was really pissed off last week that the the teaser for the rest of the season gave so much of that away. It did II mean I know we disagreed over that Renee but I really felt like I was like man I would have liked that to be a more of on Spot revealed but then again knowing that it is or that it appears to be luke. Yeah seems like that's the thing whatever this episode we would have figured it was him. Anyway, I mean, you know what? I mean? Like by this episode's who set up and then if it's not him, that's a huge shock. That's a big shot. That's right. Yeah, if they're anything like that around somebody else and it's not Luke that's crazy. But I think either way this episode would have spoiled it because like Luke is the one calling her body a temple. Oh man a real quick the Chad did agree that and Hannah looks amazing and emerald but I got to say I disagree you did not love the pink fur. He didn't like the fuzzy feeling that the Emma green was great, but I'm really doing was every way like the fur. All right really quick. We got some news and gossip for you guys Bachelor Nation. I'm so sad. If you've been with us for this entire live stream right now you guys in the chat. I've been dying to talk about the allegations that have come out against Jed Wyatt. He is one of the frontrunners as you guys can obviously tell but this week his ex girlfriend named Haley Stevens came forward with allegations. Is that they were together before he got on the show that they were dating for about four months. They were four months into their relationship. They went on vacation together. They went on a two-week vacation to the Bahamas and said, I love you to each other he reiterated right before he went on the show that he was going on to further his music career. He wanted a platform and specifically said that he wanted to be in the top five to gain some significance. She quoted him as saying I don't want my dad to have to help me pay my rent anymore. Yeah now since the It has come out jet has not responded to the claims. We have a picture up of Jed and his girlfriend his ex-girlfriend Haley Stevens. Who's also a nashville-based musician people was the first to cover the article we can get that picture up there on the beach together presumably at vacation and apparently he goes to her after someone. He did eventually come back and she said she doesn't know whether or not he's engaged. I think she just doesn't want to break his NDA or whatever. She said that he didn't even call her like he promised when he got back she heard it from Someone else and when she ran into him he said how have you been and she went how do you think I've been and then he said something like I just didn't know how to tell you and that's all we know and they have not talked about their relationship since could you imagine right? Mr. Right now? It's good to wrong considering tonight's episode and some of the very prophetic things Jed said about being the right guy for her it definitely it feels very icky now jet is still technically on the show, so So he can't comment on it. I don't believe because it's still airing. So it's going to take some time for us to get to the bottom of this. She can though. She can't she's truly scorn. But yeah, and we as a public have a right to kind of say how we feel even though we are just getting one side of the story here, but we'll continue to stay on top of that for you guys and follow it as it develops. Also in Bachelor Nation this week Lauren Bushnell and Chris Lane got engaged. They announced that they are you for that getting engaged. Somebody go check on Ben Higgins. Please make sure he's okay. And and then the last piece of news is you guys know Bachelor in Paradise is filming right now and Chris randone and Crystal Nielsen got married. They said I do on the beach in Mexico. So yeah, they look great. You will get to see that unfold when the show airs which by the way if you guys haven't been keeping up it's actually airing on August 5th. It was supposed to air on July 29th, which is why I think we got a filler episode last week. I think ABC needed to fill that chunk of time. I'm with something else. Okay, a lot of people were speculating as well that the sit down with Chris Harrison was definitely filmed after the fact she spoke about a lot of the guys in the past tense, even though it wasn't recap but we're getting these Vibes that just it was very much a filler kind of produce things. So we're gonna lie. I know we gotta wrap. We got a lot of really interesting comments in the chat right now the fact that Jed and this woman were not married almost so that means it's okay once this wraps we're going to read all the comments in the video. Let us know. Guys thinking all the comments down below is that true to the fact that they're not married. Does that make a difference because no I don't think it does but we gotta we gotta wrap and God this just shows how much we love talking about all this tea with you guys. I just want to say really quick. Thank you so much everyone to join us in the live chat tonight. You guys are amazing. Thanks for the energy keeps bringing it. 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On this week’s episode of The Bachelorette, we actually had an episode to talk about because ABC gave us real-time footage, and not a recap! Luke P.’s gets on his high horse and reminds everyone to stay in their lane, and Hannah Beast sends two guys home who we forgot were still there. Take off your clothes & jump out the helicopter with hosts Christine Alexis, Renee Ariel and Mike Thieling on AfterBuzz TV! The Bachelorette After Show: Which of the men will get the final rose? On THE BACHELORETTE AFTER SHOW we’ll fill you in on everything that happens on and off camera on the hit ABC series. Plus be bringing your favorite cast members our panel. Tune in for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes’ group dates, one on one dates, the squabbles and fights AND bonus off-season content like news updates happening in Bachelor nation. ABOUT THE BACHELORETTE: Becca Kufrin believed she had found love with Arie Luyendyk Jr. on "The Bachelor," but when the race car driver changed his mind and broke her heart so he could reunite with runner-up Lauren Burnham, the humble girl next door from Minnesota resolved not to let the heart-wrenching breakup hold her back. When the 27-year-old publicist isn't making a splash at the boutique public relations agency where she works or planning her next overseas trip, she can be found at home hosting dinner parties for her friends. She hopes to find a man who shares her firm set of Midwest values and who is actually ready to commit to her on her terms. 