Hello and welcome to it. Let the funny books podcast each episode. I talk to comedians writers or Publishers about their favorite witty literature in this episode. I'm talking to the brilliant leaner Norms about how books about sex are often worryingly. Funny. Stay tuned to hear Lina reading out award-winning Lee bad erotic scenes or to find out her special name for her genitals Should we be ready to begin? Yeah, let's begin. I wanted to ask you what at firstly to do a little intro for me. Oh, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. I like it. My name is Lina. I make things on the internet which is the most comfortable. I can be with explaining what I do, but also I recognize very unspecific for people trying to work out what the fuck I actually do. So today. To dig a bit further into that is that I rode video essays to the internet and poetry and I do podcasts I used to do a podcast called the banging book club. I presently produce and present the Vintage books podcast and it was have my own podcast called the option club and they're all very good. Also very good. And what else do I do? And then I work in publishing so I read a lot of books for that and I've been tentatively somebody describe me as a book activist, and I don't know if I want to take on that. Because it feels like a lot of work and then also, I don't know what point you become an activist but like I don't really have like political opinions about books and I write about those kind of things sex books. Yeah. Why why sex books why funny second book? So so the banging book club is a podcast where me and two of my friends had a really see like read books about sex and gender and we discussed them. That's Lucy what happens at the very beginning? It was mainly about getting drunk. And I knew this podcast was missing something. Yeah, and we kind of had the idea where we were quite drunk because we were all like just talking and talking about how we felt like we were very ill equipped intellectually to talk about sex and why we had sex we had a lot of songs and we don't really like know that much about it, you know, I mean and we felt like very much in the in the dark about it and we knew all these books existed. Some of them had really big reputation. Some of them we felt weren't there or we needed to go and discover because they were by marginalized voices. So we decided we're going to start a podcast and explore all of that and see if we could learn anything about our own sex lives through books basically and that was the point of it. I think we read a lot of amazing books. We read a lot of awful books and it's really quite hard to decipher what they're going to be before you start reading them. And when you're reading it as a group collectively, there's an extra level of pressure because if you're the person you've chosen the book, you're not just putting yourself through absolute month long Agony. We're also putting through Best friends through it too. So it was it was a really interesting thing to like try and pick the books with these sex books were they deliberately trying to be funny or was it in unintentional? So all of the ones I've picked to talk about today. I don't think any of them intended to be funny, but there are there were some like really funny book to read They're intentionally funny. Like I think you know Dawson's the gender games is she's so fucking naturally funny. So that was a really good book Caitlin Moran how to build a girl. It is genuinely funny and I was like looking through some of my notes for banging book club. And I remember there's a point where Joanna who's the main character in how to build a girl describe somebody's penis as an infant's arm because I remember finding the funniest of the ones It was very since it amazing. So maybe that's just my mean-spirited. That's okay. Yeah, maybe it's more about me than just which have you got here with you. Yeah, so so basically I've got three books with me we picked we wanted to pick books that we'd Heard lots of supplemental and also pick the books that we felt we alluded to in life, but hadn't actually read so one of them was He's Just Not That Into You Bye Greg been a bear hunt bear end. How would you set aside named Brendan? Don't Bren burnt Brent Greg Brent and Liz took Elio. Do you wanna have a clean run at that Greg Brent and Liz to kill yo, and their book is the the real self help book that the film. He's just my into you the famous one is based on and then the other Most Men Are from Mars Women Are from Venus Amazing by John Gray Men Are from Mars Women Are from Venus. I don't have with me because I made an Instagram story of me recycling it because I was literally like I don't want they want to give it a serious charity shop we need to do is destroy these which is completely against my principles and actually self contradictory because I'm like, let's not censor any books but burning bag step-by-step this book. We will recycle this one, but then I've since learned that actually I didn't recycle it because apparently the glue that keeps paperbacks together. It's Completely unrecyclable. So if you want to recycle a book you have to individually go through and rip everything which might be quite cathartic. We're so glad you did actually first heard about that book. Maybe we can talk about them first and she said about that book because my mum and dad you see marriage counseling but like not these to run marriage counseling workshops for other people and they read that book and they would recommend it to people and I just had it was just around the house in my childhood and I was like, oh that's that. Talk about marriage and then I read it when I was 24. I look like an idiot. My parents have like a really good marriage. So I was like, oh maybe you can be good despite this book, but the premise of it is because of you heard. Yeah. I've heard of it through the Georgia nicolson books AKA My Louise rennison the amazing young adult series that was sort of made into that film of what was it called Angus lungs and full-frontal snugging is Important as we recognize it. Yeah exactly but amazing series and in that the main character sort of again actually very similar to your own actual life discovers that her parents are like reading this book to generation marriage and she reads it and then really take you know tries to really take it to heart and tries to yeah, and it also it exists in the public imagination like this exist like Bridget Jones reads it in Bridget Jones Diary. She's reading Men Are from Mars and it's like it just exists. Even if we destroyed every copy it would still exist other characters memories of having read it. Yeah, and but what was interesting about it is that it's so it's sold 15 million copies. So the chances of me even getting to the store if I believed in that who is very slim. I'd have to dedicate my whole life to it. Really, I mean a lot of them are in charity shops. So parity shops, like if I mean it's not condoning, but it's an option, but it was only published in 1919 to see I thought when I I was when we were planning the podcast and talking about it. I thought it was like an 80s hmm bad. She was 1992 and like by that point because it's so based on like very damaging gender stereotypes. I was like, well, you don't really have an excuse now because like it must have been out of date for some people even when it was published and basically the premise is that really what's happening in a marriage is that women women exist in Venus, that's where they're born and they've been thriving quite happily men. In born on Mars and and they're two separate alien groups that are lonely and need to come together. So they pick Earth as the place that they want to live and then and the men the men from Mars come over to Venus and woo them and invite them to Earth and then the book is supposed to be covering what everyone should do now. They're on Earth. They decided to share a space together having been from different planets. That's the literally the premise of the book which I don't know it would get through any kind of editorial meeting. Like if you were that's like that's the pitch and this is literal illusion the whole way through the book keeps going back to aliens. Like Danny's lightweight title is not a metaphor. I want you to take you literally literally. So it was it's really out and sometimes recommend it to people just because I think it's like a circle artifact what like at a point where we knew that the genders weren't working together in inverted commas, but We didn't quite know that how masculinity was completely in crisis. Yes. So this is this is the thing where it's like masculinity is not in crisis. We just need to learn to get on like it's that book. That's just before the thing where like, oh actually we might like toxic masculinity might be a thing. So he makes a lot of excuses for himself his loss suggestions for his poor wife Betty Who I'm like pray for Betty make that make that hashtag. But he like he talks a lot about how women women's emotions come in waves and they should learn to control them and Cognizes what's happening? And I'm like, he's just hoping that periods are you literally just looking up he realized I've got this incredible Theory. Yeah. He's literally like oh my god. I've noticed a pattern and then have no idea. Then you see like the pins in the cork bottom strings between them. He like kind of like are you okay lots of like really like Psychopathic ways that he talks about expressing emotion and he has like Alyssa 101 James just score points with women and there's a hundred one suggestions. But he also has suggestions for women for everything that women do they get one point for the 101 things that men can do they get a varying amount of points between 10 and 20 points each because it's expensive gesture this harder for men to do these things so they should get more points and there's literally expressly what's this it's so I was just like howling at this point I think is like I just kind of loved it because I was like this This is it felt like thing is you can imagine it being written today. Yeah it coming out and everyone being like this is an amazing parody this satire of like gender politics. Yeah, it wasn't funny. Yeah, and it's not and so some of the points that I wrote down was like one of them was offered to build a fire offer to build as long as we're in the bed in her in her own head. Yeah laugh at her jokes, even if they're not funny because obviously women can't be funny and you went to want a Laughing people's jokes, if you decide to spend your whole life with them by superglue by super glue is important to have super glue about and these are this is how many points does he get for that? I can't remember now. I imagine it's quite a few just in case anything breaks in the house. But also you should go around asking her if anything needs fixing around here. Which also is that like begging the question is like John. Do you live in the house? Do you use anything in the house? Because you know, what was broken if you fucking use any of the other tools in that anyway, I'm getting I'm getting hysterical classic Venus woman. I know he also suggests that if you want to take a nap, you should tell you why first because you get angry if she doesn't know where you are and you're actually laughing and I'm like these just felt this feels like a diary entry child doesn't feel like like tell me what was it Thursday night. You were working late. It was like what's happening? And there's keep the bathroom floor. Clean is another Point scorer. Tiny write down a few but there are a hundred and one hundred and one I will have to check it out. Go for hugs a day was the other one for husband leaves to give you a wife for her. But only two women You couldn't possibly give for hugs a day to another man. No, no, no not mine. It's just that he actually just really wanted for hugs a day and he likes he also talks about having a man cave women don't understand. Sometimes men just need to go in their cave and that they should respect that and trying to bring them out of their cave before they're ready isn't is rude and we're in a relationship and I'm like do you mean asking for communication at the right? You don't mean this there's some actually I'm kind of I brought this out as a funny book, but actually the more I'm talking about. Yeah plenty project. Yeah put on Gray he's a doctor as well. He's a doctor of Martian studies. Yes doctor, so it's interesting because it's very very heteronormative. Lose everybody apart from like him and Betty. That's actually I don't think it has anything to say to the heterosexual community and connecting 30. I would love Betty to write a response book. It would be incredible and I bite your commission that oh my God, please women are not from Venus, but I wish that I was really kind of thing. But I want to Google whether they're still together because I highly doubt that's the case. That's live do it. Oh sorry, it's Bonnie. Sorry Bonnie Bonnie pray for Bonnie. Eea also Christian Grey discussed speltzer. Wow. I know Maj Bonnie gray. So John Gray, unfortunately, it's only through him spouse spouse spouse says spice he has multiple spice. Oh Barbara de angelis. Yeah, they divorced in 1984 and their weights. Abyss is mighty nice to so that was his first wife. Yes, so this must be the second while I so presumably there was a lot going on there that meant that the first yeah, maybe orange did not work. Maybe this is a whole blame. / oh shit. Repentance is marriage. Yes, it's his Taylor Swift album and then married Bonnie gray. But oh God and she dead. It's not happy. She she died. She died. She died horribly. Okay. So we will pray for me but in a different way slowly lighting up, I mean, well, I don't know what it is. But he's I think he still going he's so caring showing strong wife 3x3 probably touring the country. Yes people talking pillows and yes whatnot. But yeah, it was interesting and I think it actually I think sometimes I know some people like in like blah blah account. Culture like I think that in this age where we're so quick to dismiss things if they have any problems with them, it's interesting. If you want to relate to people of a certain generation who don't understand what you're saying about gender because this was 15 million people's like jumping off point for understanding gender in their own lives and their own relationships. So to read it just to get into the mindset a bit of character development a bit of you know, we're background music to read it. I think was helpful for me because I was like, huh, and I'm Also more impressed by my parents marriage. That's like if they manage to keep it together despite that being their advice and when people of a certain age ask you about who's what role in a relationship always continue to like confused about transsexuality. I'm like, okay, I understand that things have moved quite fast for you because this was only 1991, which is also no 1980 to 1981 was when Primera like and marital rape was made illegal. So up until nineteen one you could you could have you could rape your wife. And it would be completely fine and you would go to prison. So like we're doing like some people I think so actually, you know building your wife a fire like if that's a step on. Yeah, I would rather be I guess a little transition state. So yeah, I think it's interesting and it built some empathy for me. I think yeah it is that weird thing where it's like you read it trying to have an open mind. They have like this is so stupid. Yeah, so silly. I'm going to laugh at it and not take it seriously and they're like wait, so Any people have taken this seriously? It's not funny anymore. Yeah, it's a story art. Did your did your dad ever to your knowledge build your mama fire? I mean my dad makes everything from scratch. So that was in his natural wheelhouse. Anyway, quite literally our garage is full of screws and he's like all got a screw loose like he's already like yeah. She's like very much building a log cabin in our back Garden as we speak. Scouting man, he's very soft. He plays the piano and he's really like sensitive and cries at the time. But he like is masculine in the he owns a lot of tools, which is apparently something we associate masculinity, but he must be either from Mars or Venus. What is this dude? I mean, it's from you later speaking of yes Uranus. What's the next book few other work? So the second book? Okay. This is gonna blow your mind. And again, this is one that I'm like was not supposed to be funny, but I find I found like it shook us. Me to the point where you have to fucking laugh because it was and also when I tell people some of the facts I've learned to knit like I have to laugh when I'm doing it kind of like in the same way the explain global warming and you're like, so we're all going to die. It's like that but from vaginas, so it's called vagina by mu by Virginia Woolf. I've Mastered by vagina vagina wolf and by Naomi wolf, it's quite 70s hippie spirituality side of stuff. So they have a thing called The Goddess. What's it called the goddess complex or something and she talks a lot. Out of that and how that men should learn to treat women like goddesses and it's kind of Insane In some ways. It's really incredible. So it's kind of like a mix of anthropology and sociology and history all about the history of the vagina and how we treated it in different cultures and different histories. And then what that means for us today, so it's really cool and it also happened because she she got a nerve trapped in her pelvic floor or something like that and she wasn't able to have sex started hurting she went to the doctor about it and they didn't really know what to do and it opened up this big Chasm for her where she was like, maybe I'll never be able to have a able to have sex again and then she Started critiquing why there was such little science around vaginas and how little even her GP knew about it. And so it's very cool and in like I respect her for that. I think that she's come under a lot of like fire recently and I think that her like with John Gray won't always be relevant, but for now it is and it was really interesting. But the one thing that really like actually shook my Towers, is that a and was there one of the claims that she makes in it and she backs up with a few bits of research but also emphasizes that there's Really barely any money put behind like Research into vaginas compared to like like told us. Yeah. It's like they're claiming that so obviously liked women haven't really been on the pill for that long like in in the years in the history of humanity. We still don't really know the effects of the pill so I was on a pill for PCOS to have but it had some other fun stuff in it to stop me from growing too much hair on my face and other fun things like that. So I was on that for six or so. Seven seven years. And in that time I started dating my ex my now X when I was like 18 and I came off and I was 24. So later later dumped later down the line. I'm like, maybe 26 27 and I read vagina and it talks about some of the other effects that the pill can have on women. So one of them is that obviously when you went not obviously I didn't really know that when I got prescribed it when you have the con To feel what it's doing is tricking your body into thinking it's pregnant. Ladies like this is supposed to be a funny project and all I'm is tricking your body into thinking it's yes. Yeah. So when you're pregnant you your your the hormones in your body are telling you to surround yourself with people who have similar DNA makeup to you. So it's either like in what they're allergic to and what they're like that kind of thing or can be literally their DNA but like it's a different kind of person that you're like your want to surround yourself with because you're supposed to be nesting and getting ready to start a family. So you want to find your family and your career and this is a conscious thing subconscious hormonal thing apparently and when you're not pregnant, you're supposed to be like the hormones are telling you to find people who have got really different DNA makeup to you're trying to find you're trying to make the strongest baby. That is the aim of to always trying to make the structure not never not trying to make the strongest baby. I'm so I came off the pill when I was 24, I'd been with this guy for six years you from my home. And we were engaged three months after I came off the pill I broke up with him. I did know like there were lots of other reasons, but mainly I was like, I don't really find you attractive or in I'm not in love with you anymore. I don't like I just felt completely distant and I was like No And then obviously like two or three years later. I read this book my friends and I'm like, yo, we know that the X was also kind of a dick head. But also have you considered that the timing was really weird. So in the book she talks about how there are lots of studies around couples. That have been on the pill their whole relationships. They get married. I come from Hill to try and get pregnant and the woman is no longer attracted to the man now in most instances, what they do is they just accept this and how I can so it's marriage or and then she just goes back on the pill and it's fine but is it fine and then so it is a really like there's some spot. Black spots where I'm like this isn't just tragically funny like you intentionally made this funny. There are some points that there's just some really interesting parts of History where I like the way they thought about vaginas been scared of vaginas or talk about vaginas is like really hilarious. And so some of the slang words that she's brought from history the to do with vaginas. I'm really saying I made a list of all the ones that she'd written in the book, but I thought were really funny and then I also just inserted one that I'd made up so I thought I could I love a good game. So I thought I could give him some one of these is not true. None of these came from my hair. No reason why I say more about my hat. So one of these dead but the most like all almost all of them are phrases from the book that she's found that people were like using to describe vaginas. Are you ready? Yeah, slush puppy. Oh, hush. Puppy very different. Diana's quiff the snack that gives back the She's Dustbin. And then finally the bearded oyster. So which one do you think join to recap? Yeah, slush puppy Hush Puppy Diana's quiff the snack that gives back butchers Dustbin or the bearded oyster. Which one did I make up right for those listeners at home? Write write your answer down. We come back after the break tweet us at I think it's the snack that gives back. Oh, no, that's a real one. That's a real ones. A real was smack that gives back you want to try again or slow to tell you? Okay second second time Diana's quiff I didn't make it. Anything to do with oysters. I'm like all I can think about the Virginia Woolf and her and I love the letters. I'm like really gunning for us to republish like an Abridged collection of them because I think they're really really worth the read and I also think having more like queer writerly love. This is such a good thing. But something that I find really off-putting about them is that they both refer to each other like they like call each other each other's dog's name. So it will be like Pato misses you or whatever and it's like you might think that's cute. Maybe like once maybe maybe yeah, but it becomes this for like veiled. Yeah sex thing where it's like, you know Potter's here on my bed. And you know like yearning for you kind of a high and you're like I just I don't want this anymore. I just don't want to think about segue into yeah, maybe what Virginia and Vita needed was He's Just Not That Into You a great book about fuck boys who ignore your letters and then send you we're dog and allergies. Yes completely. Tell me more. So this book I we read for banging book club, but I had read previously because I'll be honest with you. I actually felt like I needed it and I was trying to get over somebody and I actually couldn't and I was just literally like this has become like an obsession but like in a way that isn't romantic and isn't like a thing. It's just a weird brain tick the won't leave my head. You know, you're like you're somebody only the way that you're like, oh, I you know, I always think about them. So I'm just going to do that weird thing that my brain has got a pattern of doing anything wrong. Real Crush someone else is saying this. Yeah, you're like of casually not as if it's something I've never experienced myself that it what just making us what you think that's been your experience leaner. So actually so basically it's an incredibly 90s book. It's incredibly heteronormative. It has a lot of issues with it, but it is also about people demonstrating their commitment to you and whether they actually mean it or not and like it is it genuinely is quite helpful. In the way that when you have you know, you have like that friend that's more that's clever than you and like you go to them for like, you know that they're a better person than you. So you ask them a question about your life and they'll give you a really like roundabout answer that's really like wide-reaching every like it could be this. It could be this here's an example of this like love and sometimes you really want that other sometimes you want to go to the friend who's like fuck him. You can be I lucky hate him. You deserve better like sometimes you need that friend in this book. Is that friend like if you wanted the other one you guys Eli calendar boat on all the school of life, but if you just really need the friend to get drunk with he's like fucking leave him. He's a loser. There's this book using so I really I do love it. And for some reason I keep it around because I just feel like I've never got rid of it, even though I'm like, it's problematic. It's like quite repetitive. It's really dated but like somewhere I'm like if I need it one day again, the the guy like wrote loads of dissection City scripts Greg and they were in a writers room together thing. That's how they met. Has these workbooks at the end of every chapter the workbook part. That's just like always really sick. I think a t so this one is like get a bright red crayon color in this flag. You have just made a big red flag. There you go good because that is what a man not wanting to have sex with you is now put down that crayon and go get yourself some good love it. And then this was another one all super good really helpful workbook here are five suggestions on what your man. Could have done if he was unsatisfied in your relationship. You will notice none of them is it includes includes sleeping with somebody else one talk about it to write about it three sing about it for email about it five even put on a puppet show about it. Wow. Now think of fiber with your own and then it gives you a little something read them. Laugh Lat have a laugh then dump the cheetah. Of course, I can't tell you what to do, but dumped him quite I tend to like been the corners of books and then I'm like, I just bend it on the page and then I'm like if I can't look, Back to that page and realize what was going on it then I might probably wasn't that funny. Yeah, it's like kind of like Agony aunt and and he just calls them all at really sarcastic names and this one. He's just called dear really really let's talk about Johnny really good friend. And you're Johnny really good friendship personally when I'm picking friends, I like to pick the ones that don't make me cry myself to sleep and it was like really stuff. It's just like, oh you probably have to take my advice but you're a dick if you do so, yeah, I think it's really funny and I would recommend it. People even their like obviously it's not very inclusive and very old. Well when I was thinking about these funny sex books and you're finding I couldn't help thinking about the bad sex award the which is for fiction. And anyone who hasn't come across this yet. Honestly, it's so worth a read. I think it comes out around late November time. It's a little pre-Christmas treat but it's by literary review and I was just having a little Searcher earlier because I'm so it's uh, Quote the idea of the bad sex in fiction award is that it's for the most outstandingly awful scene of sexual description in an otherwise good novels as being an otherwise good time. Theoretically, yes, although I think that has definitely been variable. So 2018. The sort of list that I was looking at recently is an all-male lest. It hasn't always been all male but it is overwhelmingly male and the winner was Catarina by James Frey which I haven't read and I do not I want to read now that I've read that paragraph. I was going to read it. But I honestly cannot bring myself to say it aloud so I haven't brought it with me, but I did wondering if you were if you would like to read another one. I particularly enjoyed which is from the book Scoundrels. No indeed Scoundrels: the hunt for hands clap and it is by not one, but two majors major Victor Cornwall and major Arthur sent John. Trevelyan, so I was hoping that you are wow, read this out for me. Try not to get hung you around clap empty my tanks. I begged breathlessly as once more she began drawing me deep inside her pleasure. Okay her vagina ratchet move. What does that mean? Couldn't concertina like, oh like yeah. Oh, that's not the word. I was expecting to see like an accordion. My mind was just like they're just Collection of letters it could possibly the word concertina. Moved in concertina, like waves slowly chugging my organ as a boa constrictor swallows its prey soon. I was locked in balls deep ready to be ground down but no within thank you. Thank you Applause rapturous. Also this feels like a massive beard that they're actually lovers and they're trying to cover it up. Yes by being like we've seen vagina. Yes, there's something about her pleasure cave that sounds like the list that you were reading earlier. So they wrote together like yeah put pleasure K. Yeah - puppies. Should I give this back often? They make an excuse. They're like sadly. I can't be there and washing my hair. I think it was a I'm washing my boy my boy. I was trying to have a little think about whether we could think of any good funny sex writing. Yeah, if people are listening to this being like Oh my God what I've always wanted in my life and someone to come along and recommend books that have funny sex scenes in them. I haven't read and so I feel weary of recommending it but I'm basically saying this because I want to read it and I want someone to send me a copy. Okay, which is in at the deep end by Kate Davies, which was shortlisted for the word house comedy. Eyes. Yes, and it was described by the guardian of desert. The most fun you will have with lesbian BDSM short of doing it yourself and why it's a great like that should be on the front exactly. As far as I could tell from the copious good reads reviews that I read of it because I have nothing better to do last night. Yeah. It seems to be basically woman breaks up with boyfriend has sort of sexual Awakening goes and has loads and loads of lesbian sex. Yeah and Basically, the book is just loans of descriptions of various different sects some of which is funny some of which is smutty some of which has sort of not funny. Yeah Vibe. But yeah, if anyone's listen to that send me yeah, but I wondered if there was any way you sort of did some of the top of infant's arms really yeah anything like that? No, Moran I I think Dawn a porter. She's written a book called cows that I've just downloaded and it's all about three women. One of them. They're all friends in one of them has a baby one of them just had a miscarriage and one of them is single and it's all about them and their sex lives and their bodies and that and she's Rich. She's a really funny woman. So I feel like that is going to be really good. But again, I haven't read it so we can have two on our wish list that's allowed right? Yeah exactly because some of the best books, I think I read from the banging book club where like ones that are a bit more. Or tragic, but that's like well shit. It's like Virgin Suicides such a good one of the best ways I've ever had and asking for it. It's really good all the rage incredibly written. But again about rape. Yeah to be clear. Yeah. So yeah, it's I think it's still a gap in the market for the good stuff. So if I'm listening can send in some some rum comes potentially. Yeah, that is an area that I want to read more in but I'm kind of scared of going into without a guide. Well, I love rom-coms it. I feel like a lot of them that are famous and like do the whole like Fade Out show me and then they felt on the bed like no scrub it. Yeah, exactly. So Mario McFarland's great at like wrong. Oh my God, she's a master. Like if she turned her pain to literary fiction, they would all be safe arced. I miss you like a manicure and you won't know what's hit you like she's amazing, but she chooses to write rom-coms and she's great. Oh, yeah this just an interesting thing from China yeah, if you wanted certain so so like she calls it the feminist hormone. The feminist hormone is oxytocin and it happens you it was released in women in women when they have or people with vaginas when they have an orgasm like a good orgasm you get a really big hit of oxytocin, which is the feminist hormone. Not only because it makes you want to cuddle which is not feminist. It's just if that's just a human thing that everybody wants to do but like but also it releases it makes you more assertive. If it makes you more socially fluent and it makes you more risk-taking. So basically the patriarchy don't want you to have orgasms because they know that it will Empower you. Yes, so would recommend oxytocin the freest drug available to my video so fun fact, okay final quest. Okay, if you could commission let your dream funny book, but like let's keep it on a sex that you come. Yeah, yeah nonfiction any writer. Well, we've I've mentioned before today my crush on the Speaker of the House John John Berger where this is going. I would absolutely love a like sex fanfic if that is respectful as he is like one of the leaders of our kits that is respect. Very respectful sex. Yeah. And fun fact sexy just like sexy awesome him sort of being sexy going about town or him. You know, he's not getting a although. I feel like he's married and well, it could be about their lovely relationship. I'd yeah, I'd love to with great suspects and their consent would love to have like a sexy but I find them very sexy fun, Lena. We just need to normalize. Yes. I'm going to refer to it as nothing other than that podcast listening. Yes. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of wit lit. If you liked it well done. You have excellent. Taste Please Subscribe. Tell your friends. Tell your family follow it on. Social media. It's on Instagram at wit lip podcast or Twitter app with lit pod. I don't have Facebook because it's dead. But please send me a message or at me with your favorite funny books or quote or if you're interested in coming on as a guest each episode. I'm going to do a book giveaway on that as well. So get involved with that. Finally. I'd like to thank cleaner not only for being a great interviewee and I like on but also for her help in getting this little pod off the ground. So thanks Nate, and the other one is to my amazing sister Holly for making this logo for me pro bono, despite being far too good an artist and only do the sort of thing. So thank you very much for being my sister. Finally. Thank you for listening. Your hair looks great today and see you soon.
I talk to book activist, cool content creator, and stud muffin Leena Norms about silly sex self-help books. Includes 101 tips to make your wife love you, a quiz about what to call your vagina, and erotic fan-fic involving a certain British political figure... OBVS FOLLOW, LIKE, SHARE, GIVE IT 5 STARS PLS THX. --- Get in touch if you have recommendations of funny books, quotes, or want to be a guest! Follow Leena's marvellous online contentment too: twitter @leenanorms, instagram @leenanorms, youtube @justkissmyfrog, Patreon The Gumption Club, and if you want more sex book chat, the Banging Book Club Podcast. --- This episode's Wit Lit Reading List:    Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus, by John Gray  Vagina, by Naomi Wolf  He's Just Not That Into You, by Greg Behrendt & Liz Tuccillo  Plus Bad Sex from:    Katarina by James Fray   Scoundrels by Major Victor Cornwall and Major Arthur St John Trevelyan (I have since done some research into this book and turns out, reassuringly, it's a parody. SO maybe it should go in the Good Sex list?!) And Good Sex from:    In At The Deep End, by Kate Davies   The Cows by Dawn O'Porter   Caitlin Moran, Juno Dawson, and Mhairi McFarlane. --- Stay silly,  Lily 