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We are talking Netflix is Lucifer season 4 episode 7 devil is his devil does the AfterBuzz after show starts right. Now you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top Now let them go. We like to hit the table Roxy you didn't table hitting is one of our favorite things to do. We play nice when I listen back to the shows. It's like and I'm sure Stephen the booth loves it. Yeah, those drums man. You are rock star. Let me tell you up Tehran. Thank you buddy. And it's you know, and it's you Stephen when you tee up. Okay. How did you want? Did you where did you I was I supposed to hit it. That's what that's for. Okay, fine. You're not we're not as good as the sound effect Roxy. I actually thought you were better. Thank you. And if you don't know who you is it Steven Lemieux, and then only in the panel, I don't know who I'm sitting next to we should all know. It's Roxy stryer. What's your queen of what is better? I'm the queen of everything. Yeah, you are the queen of being disagreed with the I guess there is a wallet that I really want few hundred bucks. So I haven't gotten yet, but it says queen of effing everything and I want it so bad, but then when I showed my brother because he asked me what I wanted for my birthday and he was like, I feel like that means you're the queen of having sex with everything everything everything literally everything everything. He's like, I'm not getting that full coming off of last episodes orgy scene. That might not be too far-fetched. Romeo would not like you rocks after well, I don't like Remy either. Okay. Well, Remy old up wouldn't like me either because I'm kind of mixed to and who am I I'm Toronto will be hosting. This panel as we are talking Netflix is Lucifer season 4 episode 7 devil is as devil does I keep trying to say that in a Forest Gump voice but it's not level is is devil does thank you Stephen. Today's breakdown includes the case and of course the heart of the case which we get into each and every week Chloe and Eve at the same. Damn time is Chloe Reeve the bad influence Ellis new revelation on team A's Dan plays Detective in a little bit more a minute deal and Remy have a brother and sister fight and this It's an actual fight Trixie interrogates Eve. Danella. Yeah, I'm shipping that the prophecy Roxy shipped at first. Yes the prophecy angel or devil. Uh-oh Lucifer has his wings, but are the wings that we expect news and gossip special segments circles of hell quick predictions and more. Let's begin with overall thoughts on this Netflix's lose 4 episode 7 season for devil. Is this devil does Stephen Lucifer got the wings. He needed not the ones he deserved is that Is that finally the but I always try to say the Batman quote and I'm often Batman quote is he's the hero we need not the hero we deserve okay because I do that in everything and I'm always off Lucifer got the wings. He needed not the ones he deserved and I'll expand on that throughout the episode would love to hear that because I think he got the wings that he deserved and not the one he's need. I agree with that Roxy. I agree with you take Ron. I love being right and I made a prediction a few episodes ago out of left field and the But it came true this episode. I don't care about any predictions that danella. Danella. I hate it out of nowhere. I you of Allah saying days. You guys looked at me and said what what are you talking about? And I like em, so it has the three basic. Sorry. I'm just going to let you guys know people are out there. They're going to accuse me of cheating because everything dropped at once but didn't I promise I have been watching this show along with our after shows. I had no idea. I William Queen of effing I will attest to that and I'll tell you why because I got an Instagram in the middle of my life. Where have you watched the new the new it was for I was like I'm about to okay, just remember. I'm right. I'm more right than you and I'm more right and that was and that was it. All it takes is a complete lack of belief in God and fingers touching like that. That's actually exactly that's how relationships start when you are an atheist sex feels better. Think about that the more, you know more, you know, my overall thought on this episode was that it was I love where we're going. It note feels better when somebody is watching, you know went watching you. I'm a bit of a voyager II. I want to like to watch I just like to watch I would love to be omnipotent. Just feeling way more uncomfortable in this side of the table after this whole conversation. But like I said, I really liked this episode. It was fun. It was good, but more importantly It's getting to this heart this meet the story arc that I was talking about and it even brought back father Kenzie a little. Yeah, we got a little attack, but it was it was a great a great way. I got his squeaky. Oh my gosh, that's seen how it was cutting back and forth and and the and the ending scene the ending scene was just so powerfully done. This is why we love Lucifer's you're just sitting there and the whole series I'm trying to get ahead of what's actually going to happen. Like what is he gonna say? What is it? A big surprise. What's the big reveal? What is the and every time I think I know I don't know except for the fact that I know everything. I destroyed everything everything everything everything. We forgot to mention one thing last episode and that's rookie Joan and rookie Joan is the Catalyst for Lucifer's delving into actually being back to his old self as remember. Rookie Joan the the guy the the female cop that died because of course if they're just Called himself back the cop that keeps coming up set this all in motion. As soon as I give her name. I was like, oh she's not living through this episode. Yes. Got it. Yeah, that was it was it's interesting because I think they use that plot device very well to catapult him into place he needed to be but at the same time I was like who? Yeah, and as you just said her name, I was like Jones who you like how it was silent when I said the characters. Yeah because there is Steven thing where you were making up a nickname for somebody and I was like, are we calling Dan rugged Jones now? Rookie, rookie Jones work each owns. Well, let's talk about the case this week. This week's case actually piggybacks off last week's case the it's Sam's our friendly who is a basically the person who is being accused of causing the inflicting pain that Lucifer caused and that was that was the whole thing Lucifer is upset because someone innocent is being punished for his deed. There are so many so She is on this show. So many. Oh my God this episode it's not and I'm not talking about the kind of nickname. That would give Dan. Where's the in general? Yeah, because we have Julian McCaffrey last time and now we have his father Jacob Tiernan who's even worse. Who's who's a lot worse? Actually the only person who wasn't that much of a douche was kind of pony boy that assassin. Yeah. Stay golden, you know. Yeah Pony Boy Who thus doesn't who doesn't turn on Dan where did I know this guy from so clear Ponyboy? Jared Burns. Yeah, but where he's so good in what I know him from dying up here. No the I'm thinking them in one specific role when I see my screen. I know I'm from Justified. Nope burn no notice. He was interesting bad. He was the group leader. He's been an earthing. You don't know who were talking about tear on the effing everything know the dad the dad. Yeah, the dad isn't everything. He's the main he's the main villain in the Seasons of Burn Notice as well. He's so good. This shoe is in the OG Sabrina the Teenage Witch. So now you can be involved in the great. No, he's just in a lot of things. I've seen him in throughout. Yeah. I mean when you when you're somebody who has as many credits as he does a hundred and three acting credits, we all recognize him from one place or another that's what he's from Cambridge, Massachusetts. I like Massachusetts. I'm at like Cambridge. This is IMDb the podcast yeah, so so here I am DB you are R DB thank you, but hey sweetie the case was Sam's of Pirelli cause of death shot them thrown over a bridge and pistol-whipped and had his finger broken and everyone in his body was broken everybody a bone and he was he was hurt the same way. Julian was hurt. So we thought Julian was dead. It seemed like Julian was dead. Julian is still alive could have fooled me Jesus. No actor Lucifer. Yeah Lucifer. I didn't think he was dead. Really Yeah, they're Mela. I didn't say that. I thought he was dead. I didn't say everybody's dead. Yeah when you get stuff done on the throat, I mean, I just it's Lucifer Lucifer strength. I don't know mmm, I know but I just think that we would have made a bigger deal of It kind of ended with it. Yeah, like a big deal. I was pretty sure he's dead. Well, I was right came often your right again rocks hindsight is 20/20. So but I liked that he wasn't dead at least because I liked watching this fear and Dan be able to put together the pieces because Chloe does have a blind spot when it comes under pressure and the fact that Dan is able to be like yo open your eyes. This is him and he knows from the signs. I forget sometimes a Dan's actually halfway decent at his job. So I like to I like to be reminded of that and II thought that this was a more interesting choice and having him just be dead. It sucks because in the same episode that I'm like damn Dan is actually good at his job. I most like damn Dan is such a douche. He is such a douche. I don't like how mean he's become there used to be a charm to him. There used to be a charm where Dan came off as a sweet person who was a dickhead now. He's just a dickhead hundred percent season two and three Dan I would have banged season for Dan. I'm not Gee, what a terrible? No, I am not a Lala who by the way from last episode. Definitely. I was like, okay Ella. Hey, I mean, we got to see all the butts and put it right. Yeah and this time Dan gets to see that but and we got I always think it's really sexy when a woman's got the long hair in front of her boobs and Ella was rocking that too. There was no other point to make other than that. Yeah. It was like, that's all we need to see. I'm so worried for her character now though before you continued one of the ways we keep These shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. 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You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV because it has to come out that he was the one who served up Lucifer on a golden platter to turn it tearing in and she how's that going to come out because tiered and every pony boy new and Ponyboy didn't say anything and Dan was worried then Ponyboy kind of saved them and cause people to use that for blackmail. dance under a thumb and unfortunately, I think Ella is going to get and also listen without knowing it and I like that that can sense of karma Dan put Trixie In Harm's Way because first of all he went in and said in the Catalyst like hey, my personal Vendetta against Lucifer means more than Justice and more than my job and more than anything else because I just want to get this guy but you don't know the implication that that has and I wrote in my notes I said, Trixie almost died because Dan is hot garbage. Like this is what he has become it is. Yeah, it was so wrong what he did, but he thought okay, this is wrong and it ends here and you don't know when you take revenge on somebody how far that will actually go and if Trixie I think it would been too dark even for Netflix, but had Trixie actually died in this situation. I thought that was going to happen by the way. I thought it was going to be because honestly, once again, this is Netflix and since they have been under Utilizing Trixie Trixie, his death could have been a huge story plot. For example maze would have went crazy. Dan would have went insane with with guilt. Chloe would have found out and would have most importantly Lucifer probably would have gone vanished. You guys went that bad. I did I went for a second. I went the other way because I was worried that Trixie was going to kill somebody. Oh, wow. I was worried that they created that bread crumb which one with tricks to getting the knife from Maize and having that knife with her. I was afraid that something would have put tricks in a position to have to kill somebody to in her mind save Lucifer or save Eve and that would have created a really interesting. I say something please you are the darkest person on this panel the fact that watch having cross and then even cross our minds and take see what what kill someone but steals like I went the other way. She has a sexy hot. Wow, it would conflict with a lot of the character, huh? Phrase would have had a really bad time with Chloe moving forward and Dan would have had a hard time kind of accepting the his daughter was now the person put through this because of him because of him. Yeah. Oh Dan is my now arch nemesis. The worst thing is is this would have been forgivable had Dan known that he was Satan and that's why it's forgivable with Chloe is because her actions were based on the predication that she knows. He's Satan. He doesn't even know she he's Satan. He just thinks he's a guy who he's kind of Annoyed by jealous of a little everyone's car the hater no dancing a hater. That's not totally true. It's not just somebody he's annoyed by its somebody he knows is going around breaking legs. Breaking Josh. No. No. Yeah, but let's not act like Dan is innocent of that. I remember a whole group of those X's who have broken everything's because of Dan decided to break the law. I am not saying he is innocent. I'm just saying it's not that he's annoyed. He's annoyed that he's stepping out of the system and he's doing it better than he is. Okay thats a hater because yeah because Dan with Maize is doing the exact same thing Lucifer's doing so, how did most hypocritical bullcrap that he could be pulling right now Ivan Soto says Stephen Roxy. Do you not remember season one Dan? He was a d-bag and season wanting probably call this out because you reminded us of that. But yes I do which is exactly why I told you season 2 3 Dan I would bone I didn't say anything about season one Dan just clarifying again and they want to be made out to look like somebody who wants season one down and anyone who didn't watch season one who jumps in on Netflix the two minute preview introduces him as detective douche. So I guess people should have this expectation with this carrot. Do you think there are a lot of those people I think so, I think yes, I think enough people have been to say walked it off in Florence Who start who started season 4 on Netflix Oh, I thought you meant in life. I think I think enough people would watch the first episode of Season 4 and be interested enough to backtrack because Netflix you look at Netflix. You see this devil face thing and it says Lucifer you like I click on it. Like you're browsing - it's not that far in its for for up before seasons in I'm not a lot of people down and lose first been on Netflix. A lot of people actually did watch it. Do you guys think that if Dan new Lucifer was the devil that he would like him less or more? I think he might understand him more I think does not understand him. I think he would leave immediately. I leave what I think he would take Trixie and go as far away from that Precinct as possible and I think I think he would cut ties with Chloe if she didn't go with him great reminder from the chat hail Crimson King says he's also still blaming Lucifer for the death of Charlotte. Yes, he's blaming he's blaming Lucifer for the death of Charlotte not understanding fully. I think that if Dan knew that all of this was Celestial in nature that would change his perspective the same way that I need Ella to find out as well because we see her constantly being lost. What did you think of that scene with since we're talking about Ella talking about Ella and Chloe that scene where? She says that she doesn't believe in anything and she's trying to prove that God and the devil are just bullcrap. Anyway, Chloe, of course gets I not do whatever makes you happy. That is what she says. I felt like it's not Chloe's place to tell Ella so I know why she doesn't but Khloe is being pretty selfish in that moment by just trying to get information out of Allah and not looking at the fact that her friend is really struggling and if Chloe was in her right state of mind and wasn't trying to focus so much on herself and what's going on with Lucifer anybody who sees Ella right now damn noticed anyone who sees Ella knows that she's not okay right now Joan affected her because Dan. Is also lost involved with lost souls me and it's easier just to have sex than to speak in terms of both say they don't talk about it don't want to talk about it. They just want to rub bodies on it and it's well in town. Can you stop or you know people actually that's one of the rules when you go to any type of free ever things like that because you're both invulnerable States and feel this quote-unquote lost people find themselves. In Intimate situations and it's actually one of the rules one of the rules is against that because it's not real and so I don't think that this is real. Well, it's not even just that's not one of the rules just because it's not real it's because it is another way to kill pain and you're supposed to be feeling that pain and taking that in and making sure that you acknowledge what's happening and then finding proper coping mechanisms that are not sex drugs rock and roll to get through that so I think that to really good comparison Tehran because right now this is Ella's moment. This is her make-or-break and if she decides to fill that this void with drugs, which we've been seeing with booze with sex with Dan or with anything like that, she's not going to actually get to the root of the problem, which is her accepting that God doesn't exist or finding Faith again because either one is fine if she truly Except she does not exist and she decides that that's okay and she has her own free will and she wants to move forward as an agnostic or an atheist. She will be able to figure that out. And if she wants to believe in God again, and she wants to find God again. She should go down that path, but it's this middle path of anger that he doesn't exist that she really needs out of spite and you see that with the chain being in the drawer and she has kept the chain so she hasn't thrown it away. But before we jump off of that because that's also a good point. Is a direct comparison to Lucifer as well in this moment because she doesn't know which path to take. She's remaining down the middle and it's tearing her apart in that way because all of her beliefs have been adjusted and Dan is the same way. She's diving into sex as a way to communicate to try to work through problems. Just as Lucifer has been for the past three months. So it's kind of an interesting humanistic Dynamic they've kind of drawing a comparison between the two right it is tearing up my heart when I'm with you on our part honorable mention in town. Bone town which is actually a place in how Lucifer mentioned. I'm just going to mention the mug the coffee mug that you coffee mug is such an amazing to owned by the way, you need to have I'm honorable mention because there was the pictures everywhere. It was just great. I mean, it doesn't get its own topic because what what is a picture of her on each side of the even on the bottom line is she's making it that nobody can ever put the words Ella and ugly mug in the same sentence so good, you know, she's already going pretty well, but now Chloe and Eve are in the same damn place at the same damn time it is that extra good idea. If so extra on Talk About Eve. Do not speak about Eve. She's amazed Muscle Beach. I think that for the purposes of this show. We are allowed to put ourselves in situations that are unrealistic. But like what's unrealistic about this you bring your your your ex if I'm your Chloe if I'm Chloe, I do that all the time. I'm just like legit putting my foot down hard and saying no and she's not doing that with him and I don't know whether that's because it makes for better TV. Because they're trying to show us about her character that she really is trying to do everything. She can to make him happy and she believes this will be what makes him happy. I think it's the latter. There's the letter combination combination about but I'm going with ladder. I often forget that this is TV. This is so good. They did everything in their power to write Eve to make her look out of place at every crime. So my gosh, it was stepping. There's like a dead body on the ground. She's like the heels lie. I'm excited what the hell's going on their way to punish them. I mean Jesus jumps up there like straddling each other. Maybe not what I said. Yeah so good. Yeah, but I have to disagree with you. Of course. Thank you. That would be out of character if you Not be very out of character. It would be out of I need to find my truth. My true nature is disagreeing with Roxy. Okay. I'm okay with that. I'm glad you are because all of you at home have seen them disagree often. You can see them disagree even more if you keep and continue to watch us on AfterBuzz here at AfterBuzz. 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I'm not taking any YouTube own town. Okay. I'm about to like that with any poll liking that right now. So we get a combination of conversation like sex. No, we're done with that. We're done with that late Revelation. We're done with that. This whole show is about a late Revelation. That's actually where it gets to the revelation of is Chloe the bad influence or Eve the bad influence each one brings up the other I love this freaking super meta status of the Devil Himself having the devil and angel on his shoulder. And yes the way that they shoot this where one is on one side one is on the other we're seeing their heads. It was so brilliant. I think 1000% Eve is the dead ones wearing red ones wearing white. There was a hole We is clearly the angel and I say the same thing about each other like I don't think she's a good influence on yes. They both say the same thing. Yeah, and and I bet they both really believe that but we know from watching the outside. Chloe is a good influence and Eva's not I mean are we all on the same page? There are no it depends depends on it depends on your restrictive because active thank you to look at if you're going to look at Lucifer and if you're going to say that his true nature is the devil. There's nothing. Evil about somebody saying you need to be who you are. You should be able to be who you are and not act like something different. So in that aspect it is an angel but from a human perspective. Hey, if being who you are is a murderer and you know, the killer of all things in the torture of All Souls, maybe that's a bad thing. But Stephen that's hot like that is what I picture Eve. Just thinking this whole time like what makes him so sexy. How do I just like, what do I do says that kind of thing. And many different ways. And another thing is a product is the fact that could use NASA for brings up to Chloe. Well, you didn't accept me for my true self. She brings it up again. So we've seen he's not wrong and he's not wrong. Let's Chloe did look away now granted. He is the devil. I would love to remind everyone of that often but he is the devil. So who's the better influence or are both bad influences on Lucifer? I think they're both bad influences. I loved the theory that Trixie's the good influence now. I didn't love what happened with Dan storyline, but I think that Trixie is the right influence right now. I don't think he needs to be influence per se as much as listen to talked to like what's going on. I know that's that doctor one day. No, she doesn't she doesn't she she tries to influence. He just needs somebody who's not judging who doesn't have an opinion one way or the other. Sara Lee because he's got to figure this out himself and as we're watching this episode, he's not spending the time. I mean not to get too mushy, but when you're lost the only person who can find you is you so he's not giving himself the time to do that because he's armed deep in an orgy 50% of the time and when he's not he's armed deep and work stop saying armed actually need to say our deep more. I learned the pep. Do you have a pet holds up the leak? I'm loving though. It's funny in the chat because Roslin is on one team. Roslin is team Khloe and the queen of Regal is team Eve and I've been seeing this online as well where it seems like people are kind of split and I think for this show to introduce somebody in season 4 who is so awesome of a character that people actually might not want to lose her to end up with Chloe. Mind-blowing because this is the Ross and Rachel of the show. I just had a thought though. You don't we we don't know that Eve's back story on why she left Heaven is true. We could still get Adam in this season. It could have just been a fight that they were having that made her leave and she's lying to Lucifer about her intentions of going there. This might just be him being a rebound. Well that we are on episode 7. I don't know about this season but in the future and I agree. She definitely could be lying about things and I talked about this episode 3 year whenever she was introduced. She could be communicating with God. This could be a plan that they've had that Lucifer is unaware of To try to get Lucifer back to being because I got to hell in season one. It was he wanted to be as subtle as possible and because he didn't want to draw attention to the fact that he's there subtle in the terms of not go around killing people not settling the terms of hey, I'm a rich millionaire with the club, but maybe there is going to be some kind of unhide double power of him being Satan if he continues to kill people. I like the concept. I don't think he she's in contact with God, but maybe were me Or that or the other Angels, you know, like she's worthy are the voice of God. I think maybe she lost a little bit of favor with God a little got it all for introducing sin original sin to man. I think that's a that's a kind of if God's not going to talk to you God hasn't got had the bouncers take her out of the club at that point at that point at that point. We did have this concept of Trixie and Eve and Dan forcing an issue. How did you like the karma play? I thought was brilliant. I thought this was one of the best written parts of the episode if not the season because he deserved this and no I'm not saying Trixie deserve this but Dan deserve to see the backlash of him stepping out of line, and I thought this was a great way to do it. It's disappointing to me because I thought we were kind of passed him being Dirty Dan to this level but obviously not and he set someone else to do his Dirty Work. Yeah, he didn't even just like try because he doesn't know a loser is a demon. He could have literally just put them like taken Lucifer out himself. I guess he just would thought it was easier this way. I thought at first it was going to be a wire arrest him. Yeah got a way to arrest him, but your job bro, like he did do what you think he It and he has the evidence you have the evidence that he did it the cigarette. I mean I was thinking there might be a story line here where Dan runs a DNA test and Ella finds out that it's something completely different and then she has her beliefs change based on that, but then she doesn't tell Dan but I don't know we could still go that way. There is still like the chance of him running a DNA on the cigarette butt to move forward in that way, but I don't think they're going to backtrack. hmm We also had we also had on team A's show up Klinger. Yeah, she's got issues that she got issues girls got to work some things out when she refers to the baby as ours. I mean, I'm not a mom and trust me. I don't know what that's like, but I can only imagine having something grow inside me and having something somebody who wasn't going to be the co-parent so somebody who either wasn't their sperm or Weren't going to be the dad or the other mom. Look at me and say our baby piss off yet. Like Oh Linda is handling this so well, I would flip out if about she's just handling it because she knows they're not humans and they don't understand the social norms, but she has so much patience and not only do they not understand the social norms. But if what happens if Linda flips out at Mays and says, no you cannot be in this baby's life. She's acting from a place of fear as opposed to No, I'm saying if she says that to her what is maze willing to do if Linda says you're not part of this family Maize is going to kill her. I don't think so. I don't think so amazed has shown that she has actually she has a soft spot when it comes to the them and when Linda asked are you in love with me a part of me thought that maze was going to say yes, me too. And also when she when may says our baby are both of you found it abhorrent. I thought it was one of the sweetest things ever that maze feels so responsible for this baby because It is her possible Redemption her way to prove to herself that she can actually be something different of a mother as opposed to Lilith who is her mother she is mrs. Keane is a child of Lilith a little mmm. And so that was actually a very sweet thing to me. Do you see Lilith appearing this season? I don't know about getting these set up but I like an ally I would love it. I think with mazes character. It's interesting when you think about it because every other main character has some Form of romantic interest that they've developed from being a negative development or a positive development and may is it's just kind of been that lady who swings around and hooks up with people, you know, like she kind of had that moment with Dan but then Dan last episode was like I'm not doing this anymore because he decided to be good cop, but then this episode is not again, but are you seeing love triangle not love triangles per se. But even with the Dan situation that you just mentioned with Maize dad. And now she tries to if she tries to go after Dan as her connection, maybe well, that was the one of the big conversations is that maze need someone she needs somebody or she needs to love herself. It'd be interesting to get Adam. And Maze Adam and me is because Adam has it has the hots for Lilith amazed might not even know who Adam is. Hmm and like mother like daughter out of might be like, look at this girl. That's it. As far as Auntie maze goes. I'm really liking this storyline good. It's strong. It's fun. It's giving purpose and it's also setting something up with maze. We just don't know what and and possibly with Maize sacrificing herself. Of for the baby. I mean, I thought the fight was going to happen. I thought ramiel was going to go and then maze broke the rules of not following Linda big tax going to be the side that so to last episode. I thought that that was going to be the head but then we get the amenadiel and Remy actually have a fight dope. That was an actual physical fight and it was very cool. I mean I thought I thought just him having the baby was making him more powerful in general, but now it's like legitimately like, okay. No, he's more powerful. Yes, like he's actually more powerful like has Angel Powers kind of it's also the senior angel in this situation. No such thing as a senior Angel though because they were all splashed in at the same time a very our senior senior Angels Angels do come into higher. Are you talking about in in the show in the show? They've brought this up as Soul? Okay. There's I liked Remy better in this episode than the previous one because I kind of like what happens when she's defeated and she's like, all right you and this one because You beat me fair and square fight me you did which was to use her angel power. I was waiting to find out what it was unclear. Anyways, I don't know just as cool because maybe that's not fair and square if he doesn't have time to stop. Maybe she can't use her is because she doesn't deem that to be fair. She gave him half the spear. So maybe she does want it to be like something fair and square. But again, she's the Vanguard. I think there's way more coming if word spreads and I want to ask you guys this because I was thinking about this after the Episode do you think it would have been better for the baby to be taking back taken back to Heaven I think as isn't it better for anybody to be in heaven? So go kill everybody who's good know? I don't know. I don't know maybe not. I think that the point is amenadiel saying this Earth doesn't make you weaker. It makes you stronger. So I my baby should be grow up here because it will make them better. I just think it's really interesting that God made Humanity in His image, but all the angels are so against humanity. And God is the only one who had free will before humans and the angels are jealous of that. So what if amenadiel is developing free will What if he's self-actualizing the only thing that angels have aside from their powers out of common with humans if in that case wouldn't he become a threat to God? I threw it in a prediction before I feel like I'm in a deal with the prophecy just to throw out why the I'm not going to say that joke. I was going to say Tom town. Okay, we're done. We're done with bonetown. We're done with bone Town. That's not till I say it what we're not done with is the prophecy when the devil was. The Earth and finds his first love evil shall be released. I think Kelly's back. I think Chloe's got to get Kinley back. He's being shipped to Rome. So you think that doesn't have I think before he shipped something happens and Khloe realizes that there is an actual use for father Kinley. I just wonder when when she does realize that this is the case. Are we going to go back to where we started at the beginning of the season with Chloe or Chloe Chloe evolved from that point and now she's gone to see Kinley. She'll go tell Lucifer because that's what he is asked of her. Also, they don't you know what? I mean? I like this I like where we're going here. Say that again because I've already had this conversation where Lucifer Chloe lied to Lucifer about meeting with Kenley and Lucifer says don't lie to me and she says I never will I'm sorry you were the devil I was confused. Now, she's gone back to him again and heard the prophecy and heard the prophecy presumably he doesn't know she's gone. So does she do the same thing? She did at the beginning of the Season where she doesn't tell him and now goes about it that route or does she go right to Lucifer and say I went to him. This is the prophecy you need to stay. From Eve. I think it's the latter. I think he she tells him the prophecy but I don't think she knows it's Eve. I think she says exactly what it is because again, they've had a romantic interest. She doesn't know if she's the first was kind of no because Father Kelly says, you know who it is. Don't you? He says that and the look on her face gives it away. Like I feel that it's Eve because father Kelly's like it's a mistake. I thought it was you it's not you which I don't know how father Ken Lee would know that part. I think it's because nothing he would have gotten Word or something horrific. It happened yet, and he knows that her and Lucifer have already gotten together. So I think that is why also it doesn't say the prophecy. Isn't that like hey when Lucifer finds his first love he's going to be evil and start killing everybody. It just says that evil will be released even will be released. So what if the evil is Lilith? Hmm see on my on my in my theory amenadiel stands up for Linda someone who he thinks is wonderful and he's in love with and evil will be released would be the birth of this child. That's just what I think let's get into is Lucifer the angel or the devil. Which one is the truth angel angel angel? I think they are the same thing. Lucifer's always been a fallen angel and you think the devil I think I also say the same thing except with the place of Duty that God has bestowed upon him. So while I believe there is good and evil in him in the way we think of it. He does have a duty that is in hell and one of that one of the things that plays is the fact that Lucifer has not lost his wings, but they're not what they what he thought they would be. Yeah, but they look bad ass. They definitely look badass. I mean we kind of saw this coming. Little bit true true like so anyway on iTunes anybody iTunes are the the promo branding that they've put out there as Lucifer with devil wings, which I am assuming some time in the season. We would get him with devil wings as opposed to feather Wings. Yeah, I think pretty I think it is what he makes it. I think just like how we've already established an angel self-actualize and he wasn't looking to see his wings for he was looking to see his wings for an answer. But what Feared was what came out because that was that was what his that's what and that's how he views himself. Yes, but my question is what is the difference between his view of himself when he has no wings versus view of himself with devil wings. Let's find out in the comments below. Let's get to some news and gossip the question on every single Lucifer fans mind. Is there going to be a fifth season of this show? I don't have the answer for you. But I do have some thoughts from Henderson one of the writers who says that they've already written the first seen this coming from Entertainment Weekly. He says we did spend some time digging into what we think can be season 5 we even have the first scene of season 5, which is one of my favorite things we've ever come up with who cannot wait. I don't know because we haven't finished this season yet. I don't know what that means. But imagine already not knowing you're getting picked up. Writing a first scene of the next season that sets the tone of the entire season. I have no idea what that means. But it mean I know it means I want to next season. I think it's Chloe on a healthy at Lucifer back. Why where's Lucifer? I don't know. I just feel like we have to go to hell at some point and I feel like do you think Sabrina? I don't want Sabrina Soto do you think by the end of this season lose first and then he'll done. Yeah, I think so. I think he gets sent back. I found one getting that sense too because he's got the devil wings it. All the eve stuff going on and I do think that she's been sent there for more of a reason and he has to explore and we need to figure out what to do with maze. He probably takes her with him or something. I'm getting that sense to and I think pretty I think Chloe is the only person who can resist the power of hell, that's kind of what we've seen from her with Lucifer this news and gossip is turned into predictions. So let's get into that AfterBuzz TV prediction. Yeah. I think Khloe goes to I think Chloe goes to hell. I think that's the only place I That would be just a really cool way to start the next season. Let's go to hell Chloe after they've proven themselves with this season. The special effects budget is definitely gonna be big enough to afford it. Hmm. Does Eve go with them? I think he's out of the picture by the end of the season. What do you think? Am I think we have just begun to understand the threat. That is Eve. Yeah, and we get a lot more Eve and I think on the opposite end, I think we actually go to heaven in the first scene of next episode next season. I like that. That I think that Dan and Ella at first we're going to think that this is a fake little thing and they just were leaning on each other. But I do think by the end of the series Dan and Allah will end up together. Oh, so endgame prediction and game prediction. Damn. Yeah. I think I'd also think Ella's Angel comes back. I think I've been waiting for her been waiting as well. 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Looks like Julian’s father wasn’t happy, because an innocent man is blamed for Lucifer crippling his Son. Can Lucifer keep is emotions in check as he’s faced with somebody so deserved of punishment?! He does, but unfortunately his wings tell a different tale. Chloe visits the prison Father, and Ella and Dan seem to not want to do much ‘talking’. Lastly, we get Remiel vs Amenadiel! The fight of the episode! Will Maze find somebody to connect to? Let’s keep watching! Hosting tonight is Tehran Von Ghasri, Roxy Striar, and Stephen Lemieux! Lucifer is BACK! Cancelled but not for long! Thank god for netflix, and thank god for AfterBuzz TV, because WE'RE BACK TOO! Covering the latest episodes of Lucifer! Join us every episode for in depth discussion and breakdowns! There may even be some special guests so be sure to subscribe rate and comment! ABOUT LUCIFER: Lucifer is an American television series created by Tom Kapinos that is scheduled to premiere on Fox on January 25, 2016. It is a very loose adaptation of the comic book character created by Neil Gaiman for the comic book series The Sandman and its spin-off comic book series Lucifer written by Mike Carey, both published by DC Comics' Vertigo imprint. 