And I'm here with Hebrew of The Buttery Bros one buttery bro. At least welcome to the show. Thank you for having me on Jason. How are you? I know I took you by surprise. We were on a call and I said do you mind if I hit record so I appreciate you being flexible and willing to chat and it's exciting because you guys have some amazing things going on The Buttery Bros. I feel like are everywhere these days. We're just trying to take advantage. You know, we're just trying to have the most fun possible and that requires us to be a lot of places you it looks like you're having fun. So I want to talk about though what might not have been fun, you know is probably a year ago now right the across the radius huge changes and they just let go of ninety percent of the media team and you two were a part of that. Yeah about a year ago. I was coming home from a trip for CrossFit to Iceland Sweden Canada and Boston. It was a whirlwind trip over the course of like seven days. We had all those countries and places and did interviews for a documentary that we were producing and then I got home and a week later. They let go of they made another second half of the media team they let go of and so it was it was definitely a whirlwind of thinking that we were on One path to oh, wow. We're on a completely different path. Now. It's trying to figure out what we're doing. So the first half of the media team he gets like go. Did you guys feel like you were in the clear or was there a feeling of like, okay, we're next. When's it going to happen? It was definitely especially when I figured out what they were trying to do as a company. I was I was kind of like I think I should have been let go in August so they let go of like a huge Chunk in August and then another big shift in October and then a little bit later like three months later. They let go another big group and so for me when I when I heard the new direction of the company was going it seems like all of the media and stuff that I was creating. When exactly what they were trying to get rid of and so no, I didn't ever feel safe. But you know positive thinker I just put my head down and tried to go create some fun stuff while I was still working at Cross it HQ. The very aware that there was a good chance. I wouldn't be there much longer how quickly did your mind psycho because you guys I mean from at least the looks from an outside perspective really, you know, what's the expression you took a life? Owens and you made lemonade you guys have something awesome going on how quickly did you guys to reach out to one another and say all right. We're going to be we're going to form the buttery Bros and we're going to you know Take This World by storm. It was a few just to figure out what the buttery Bros were was a few months. So in October Marsden actually was in Brazil when he was let go so he was gone for an entire week and we kind of like the entire month of October. I was just trying to figure out what I wanted to do with life. And also we started like immediately the next day. I got phone calls from a handful of different companies wanted me to try and set up a an interview with them to work for them. And I didn't know if I wanted to work for a specific company. We definitely knew we wanted to make a documentary Mars in the night and we were thinking we were trying to figure out how to make the 2018 documentary still because at that time we were still in negotiations and discussions with CrossFit on how to make that happen slowly that dissolved we figured okay. We got to take advantage of 2019 season. We need to tell a story mainly because we wanted to still build up the athletes in the cross its path. Katie know a lot of these guys are friends. We wanted to see them still in a big light and and tell their story as big as possible that we like we've done in the years past and so we were trying to figure out how to do that. We went to Dubai CrossFit Challenge and we were still like figuring out what exactly it is that we were going to be doing and when we got back from that on New Year's Day, we happen to be shooting a commercial for a company with Matt Fraser and we're in his garage. Garage that evening on January 1st, and we did one of the workouts from Dubai. We did Acid Bath and we filmed it and we thought it was kind of funny. So when we got home, we made it into a little Vlog and by the time we released it, we were in water palooza about two weeks later and the impact was instantaneous almost because the next morning we were walking around we called the log The Buttery Bros and immediately people were responding and colonists buttery Bros and Kind of immediately picked up the vibe of what it was we were about as creators. And so that weekend was incredibly fun. And it really kind of helped launched us into the new YouTube space that we're currently in while also building things outside of that throughout the 2019 season. What does buttery Bros mean? So for the years that we've been making movies and shooting content Martian and I any time we met last shot. It's really well composed. It's really smooth. I'd be like, oh man Martian that shot was buttery. And so or you know, that's as far as the 51l the shot. We always refer to it as buttery. So we thought that it would be cool to name our company all buttery ink and we shoot all butter all the time. So we're buttery Rose Did you do the filming of Ricky Gerard for the documentary where he says he didn't do drugs? Yeah, yeah did I was I was face-to-face with Ricky and asking some pretty pointed Direction directed questions and had some interesting answers from them. So I'm you know, I'm not trying to put you on the spot and feel free to tell me you can't talk about it, but did you know at that time that he had tested positive and he was lying to your face? Yes, and no it was an interesting position because I knew that he had tested positive but at that time he didn't know and what I had been told was to just go ahead and go like you don't know anything because there's still a chance he could appeal and his appeal process hasn't been completed. So it's not nothing's official until that's been said and so once he has a chance to appeal this could all be completely different so I went down. And played that with the benefit of the doubt he made that super easy because he like he was such an awesome host. He had breakfast for us. He had a skateboard for me that morning when we went down to the beach and did some you know, I met him at his apartment. We went down to the beach and hang out of the water for an hour or two. They came back. He had this whole morning routine that we did and he was it because he was a really great dude, but have this kind of history from the games that you will so so for me asking questions, I'd I tried not to go either direction, but let him speak from what he wanted to say and we got the answers that you see in the movie Bachchan got ya. But yeah, I know I heard that in the past that he had tested positive, but he didn't realize it and I didn't realize you were the guy filming it now you and you you two seem to be like best friends The Buttery Rose. You have a good time. What's been the what's the biggest fight you two have ever had? I don't know we've ever come on the time you travel around the world you compete against one another you guys seem super chill super fun, but you guys must butt heads every once in a while. I mean we bought head then we have we tried to have a I've learned over the history like just in life that way you handle problems and and concerns there's a handful of ways to go about things and I know when I start to get angry how I react and so I try to find a way to not confront things when the when I met my most heated and if I can take a moment. Calm myself down and get in the proper headspace and I can have a conversation. It doesn't turn into an argument and I've learned how to work with margin in a really good way. I think if there's anything that we've had that's kind of been confrontational. I'm sure there was some times it CrossFit making movies where you're arguing over silly things. Like what is a color balance look like or what is the audio going to sound like or but I think most of the time we have a pretty common pretty calm conversation when we're having a stress. Whole experience and off the top of my head. I can't think of anything where I'm like, oh, this is a really funny story where we got in each other's faces, but for the most part, we're both pretty calm and when dealing with each other and finding creative Outlets to to either express ourselves or communicate with each other with what we think the best ways to go about things has that makes any sense at all. Yeah that makes total sense having had multiple business partners in my life. It's It's not always easy. Now it I saw you guys at the 2019 games going to be expect a movie. Yeah, we're pretty similar for the 2019 games. I think from 2018 or 2019 were creating something similar to what we've had in years past but with the new season and with the new changes like the documentary's kind of going to be what everyone's been talking about for the last 12 months, which is what is CrossFit doing and how is this poor going to change and also taking into account what the story of the 2019 CrossFit Games was like who did what who perform? Well, what was their? And what was that battle? Like I mean, it looks to be like you're friendly with all the athletes and I'm sure you are but just part of you want Matt or Tia to lose just for the movie. I don't want you to say anything bad about that. But I mean, you know, or is it just like a part 2 part 3? Yeah, it's kind of like I don't feel for anyone. So I'm not like oh for my movie would be better if this happened. What I try to do is just find new characters. Like if I'm bored with a character or I feel like I'm doing the same thing over again. You you just turn the camera five degrees and you've got another face that you can talk to and that's kind of the case with this where for this new movie or for Regina dominant like phenomenal movie turned out great. This is kind of a similar story and not Gia both win, but there's different competitors that are actually pushing them in 2018 yet. Carl web 2019. No one really came close to two TS users walking away with it. Although she had battles within workouts with individuals and Matt and Noah have this epic battle throughout the weekend and that is a really interesting story and know as a whole new character that we haven't really talked about in any of her movie. So I'm I'm excited to kind of tell his story. A bit too well and then following up on that I was going to ask you who has been over the years your favorite kind of accidental star like you didn't know that you were going to spend time with filming them going into that year, but then by the end you're like wow, this person really surprised me. Was it Noah from last year? Do you have somebody else? You know who it is. Is it someone that hasn't made the screen yet? And it's Lucas Holmberg. I love Lucas Helberg, and he did amazing in 2018. And I kind of got to know him at the games that year and then afterwards I went to Sweden had an amazing few days with him there and I had that guy's hilarious and tons of fun. So he's kind of my accident star but but I haven't been able to tell a story because we will have a little bit of a minute this documentary that the 2018 one unfortunately won't will be made at this time. So is it that hard for you to be a Fan of the sport a fan of some of these athletes and not kind of internally route for them. Oh, I just did refer everyone and but I also like I can take a really easy backseat because Add the gained a lot of times. I'm not actually watching the events. I'm just waiting in the back people are coming come to come and go so I'm definitely like I'm rooting for know. I'm rooting for Matt if if one when's the other like it's an interesting story. Yeah, I'm not I don't feel like I'm ever in a weird position where I'm rooting against someone that I like or that hurts my story. I this point in my life. I'm not the show there's a fan of their as a profession and so it Be a different experience when I go and watch it as a fan and a few years. So so it's it is your profession. How hard is games week for you, too? But every year very different this year was extremely hard. We took on a lot we produce two of our buttery bro shows and a documentary that we put together literally at the last minute. We were flying to Madison, Wisconsin, when we kind of lock down all the the the production that we read lock down all the deals that we needed to do to know like Hey, we're going to make a movie and we're not going to involve anybody else and so We brought up like I was calling and hiring people as we are on our way there. It was extremely chaotic. I think we pulled off some pretty awesome considering the time frame that we were given and it but every year like last year was super easy really smooth and that's 2018 by then. We were super dialed in when I film Froning that was pretty chaotic and then in 2013, I had an awesome time with no chaos where I just made a rap music video with Miranda oldroyd and Pat Sherwood and and lowering the curtain and so, you know, it depends on the year, but Now being independent, it was a very chaotic but extremely rewarding and fun eight days that we were in Madison. Yes. I remember that video you guys were up on scaffolding at one point. There's a fun video. I'm sure people can go find it on YouTube. What would they can search like 2013 rap video is 2018 not happening because CrossFit won't allow it or because it's just in the past now. The short answer is CrossFit wouldn't let it when we tried in October and November of last year to negotiate and talk with them about it. The answer we were given was at this time CrossFit is no longer interested in telling the story of what the game used to be. We want people to focus on what this case the games are or will be and so they didn't want to be putting out a movie because the movie wouldn't come out until March of 2019. And people would be seen in on Netflix in July and then be very confused because they cross the games have evolved and changed so dramatically since that movie was released so that being the case, you know, there's always a hope and chance that maybe crossover will let us make that movie and in three or four years and we could go back and kind of a throwback movie which would be very different than anything we've ever done but it could be cool if we had an awesome movie. In the can last year, so it is is it how close to being done is it? The 20 18th. Yeah, it's all shot. It's all shot but nothing is edited. So and I'd imagine that's that's the hard part. Yeah, I mean, it's 50 it's shooting is very difficult because it's time-consuming and you have to coordinate with athletes and schedules and and getting places its kind of it but it's definitely fun editing isn't always the most fun because you're just kind of in a locked room in dark out for dark hours and and long days. Just just slaving away in front of a computer screen, but there's a lot of fun doing that as well. If you enjoy that type of work, you know speaking of the chain. Just eat you mentioned like Lucas Holberg. Was there anyone just from another country that someone listening to this podcast probably wouldn't have recognized or still might not know that that stuck out to you. Like wow, you know this female from Saudi Arabia or this guy from India. Did anybody stand out for it to you this year that you wanted to get more footage of From 19. Yeah from 1900. There's all these, you know hundred and fifty miles a hundred and fifty females there's plenty of people you didn't know. I'm sure did any of those people stand out to you the Lesser known names. Yeah, I would say there was this girl from let me look at her name. Yeah, Danielle Brandon. She took I think 11th and by the time I figured out that via who she was but by the time I got any cameras on her there was only like one event left. I mean that's probably part of the problem with the clutch is it's hard to kind of find people and then you find them in the third their cut, but she was super cool and very athletic and did really well. Well and then got caught before the right after the Sprint's but I think in a rookie year she made it to 11th place. So that's that's a phenomenal first go for her that must have been an additional challenge because I'm sure you're filming people like fikowski and vulner, you know going into it building up and then all of a sudden they're out on day two or three that must impact you guys long-term when it comes to the 2019 movie. Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't so it's you know, like we just looked at it like Game of Thrones like some of your favorite characters get killed off pretty early on in season one. So we were just like we went into it like super bomb. The people are going to get cut like it was heartbreaking to see Sarah not on the floor on the floor at the same time. It was you know the game that year and and I think the hardest one for me was watching Brooke. Also had a minor incident that cost her her weekend and it changed everything for her like that was really hard to watch but that's part of it and in if I wasn't as emotionally involved in it, I don't think the movie would be as good. So the emotions that I'm feeling and the hardness of that stuff is part of what movie making is about, you know feeling things with people that you are interacting with. I'm very close with David Tittle a mutual friend, right UW and we joke around a lot about how people you know just are like hey come video this come shoot this no big deal. This is what you do, right? What? What's what's the hardest thing about what you do that people don't realize when they ask you to come shoot a workout in their garage, or I'm sure you don't get that anymore. But what's the hardest part about that that people don't realize When they're putting you out. I think they probably the biggest thing people understand is and I think it depends on what it is that people are looking for like people might see The Buttery browse and see that that's you know, wow, that looks like they're having so much fun, but they don't see you know, yeah, we're planning a rule but every night for the next 3 because you know, there's three or four nights right after that. We're not sleeping to try and get this thing down in time. I think it's the time it goes into it both pre-production and post-production and setting things up like You want to set up a really good shot and set up a really good match cut in editing and it's not just pull out your camera and go you have to kind of pre pre plan things. Then you got to shoot it a few times and then you got to go back and edit it and your first edit might not be what you're happy with said and you re out of it. There's just a lot more than pulling out your iPhone and snapping and Instagram story and posting it. Although I think there's a lot of value to that type of media and content. As well for what we're trying to do. It takes a lot of effort both before and after shooting. What's one thing anyone listening can do next time they pull out their iPhone to get better video or photo for their Instagram feed. Cool, I think here's what I would suggest is shoot in the morning or in the afternoon or evening. Sorry morning or evening. Like right when the sun is rising or when the Sun is setting is then you have kind of an even light the sun creates it that our it's called the Golden hour, you know, it's right after it right right before and after sunset for a few minutes and then right before and after sunset and sunrise and sunset. Up. The sun is light. It's not harsh. It's not in your face. Shadows won't be in your way. And you can very easily with an iPhone get a phenomenal photo. What's the best Instagram filter to give someone a six pack? I don't know. I think I think I think it's called nutrition and diet and of being filter that makes you look a little bit sexier. I think there's a I think there's a filter there's an app that you can download now that you know, you're just like yeah, I don't know what you can just bring your photo into it and put six pack abs on that sounds a lot easier than yeah. Definitely, there's definitely an app and you can add tattoos to your arms and things like that. There's all kinds of stuff you can do but I think for filters I don't use the filters on Instagram, but I would play a little bit with the editing if I didn't do it already on my computer with the structure or the saturation and it also kind of depends on what look you are going for right? Like that's a complicated question for photographer which is depends on what your goal is. What is the video that you guys are most proud of on The Buttery Bros YouTube if somebody's like Hey, listen to this podcast. I want to check them out. What's the video? They should check out. The Kauai Vidya where we just posted this recent one currently is a ton of fun. It shows what we're about also highlights are really cool organization in Hawaii where they're donating and taking care of a ton of kids there. That's and it's 41 minutes long. Like that's a phenomenal fun video 4042 almost 43 minutes long. Yeah 4257. I'm looking at it. We had Chris Henshaw not too long ago, and we also have the owner of Oxford copper are on was out in Kauai and definitely a great organization. So check out that video. So 43 minutes how much footage is captured to get 43 minutes of edited video? You know most of the night ended on different sequences, so I don't know what the total number was because it's also not we've never put together all the lock lips to see what how much we shoot. But I would say that we I mean we shot for some of the actual total run time of actual just raw footage, but we shot for about 5 days and very rarely. Would you find Mars in my without a camera? You know, that's what's interesting to me. Are you guys like just so strong in that position? meaning but ended up calling the camera did like there's a camera some arson in on the field mostly Marston with it and it's like, you know, his arms are at about 90 degrees and he's got this like kind of rigged thing over the screen so we can see it because the sun like it looks like you got this ten thousand dollar camera that he put together a piece of cardboard to walk out the screen do they not make do they not sell something a little nicer for that they do but we Yeah, yes they do. But sometimes I don't like that that actually works better than what they give you. Yeah, I've never judging and I'm like looking at him like that looks so funny because I'm sure that's a really expensive camera and its got like duct tape on it to block out the step. He's got death tape and cardboard from Amazon boxes. So that camera particularly that's a red cinema camera on a movi gimbal. So it's at the pretty big rig. It's probably it's very expensive to but it's very He cinematic we've are it's really rare that we would ever use that camera setup for our show. We usually leave this Sprint's which makes sense. But that I believe that was for the Sprint event on the on the field of the games this year. Not the Sprint the the sled in the muscle ups. Yeah, he said the games he was he was a man in that camera for all the final Heats of men and women and the games in at some events. We've brought out that camera rig for The Buttery bro show. We keep it a little lighter and a little bit more little less real estate just so we can get to and from places a lot quicker that camera the the red camera is extremely hard and there's definitely like The first time you pick it up, like if I haven't touched it for a while and I pick it up for two minutes. I'm like beat and you have to really acclimate to how heavy that thinking get. It is pretty gnarly. Yeah. I I'm impressed by you guys because I mean, I'm just watching and I'm like knowing Fitness. I'm like that cannot be easy. Do you guys does which helps the other more is being fit like you to helpful to be a good cameraman or is because you hold these positions. Like really good at bicep curls. It's more like a by symmetric. It's like a bicep isometric hold. It's like a hammer curl it to you know, halfway up and you just hold it walk around all the time. I think Being Fit probably helps way more than just actually walking around with the camera. Have you ever left a day of shooting and like, I'm really sore from whatever I did. Yeah, you don't necessarily feel it in your biceps so much. But like you're seeing us all feels weird and you're out of alignment for like a few weeks, especially shooting something like the game where for hours on end. You're holding that camera rig in years past when I've done it. I've definitely felt out of place for like, you know all the way up until September. You know right around the TV series. I'll start to feel good again. Yeah, I mean there's an Infamous scene where Marcin Sprint's faster than Frazier with the camera and you know people lost their minds because he beat you know, the fittest man on Earth did did he brag a lot about that afterwards? No, actually so and that's a that's a different camera rig than what he's using at the games this year. So that's a slightly lighter but still not as still as it impressive. But when he when he did do you I wasn't talking about be Fraser always talking about. Oh we're looking at is the footage, you know, that's the only thing that matters of the time and then later we started seeing people posting about it on Instagram and and and I think still now like once a month he'll get tagged and some video where it pops up again on some Making thread and we'll laugh about it. But for sure in the moment, all we're looking at is you know, because it doesn't matter how fast you run that's not his job as job is to get the shot and and the shot turned out phenomenal, but pretty cool. If you could beat the fittest man on Earth that have in a foot race. Yep. Alright last question for you and they got a busy schedule. So in the 2017 documentary redeemed in the dominant, there's an opening shot here. Come car web at the time before she got married car web T it clear to me lunging in the same shot Greg Martino. Jason Ackerman judging. Yep. I'm afraid. But you must have lost my address somewhere along the way because I have not gotten any money. I'm in the opening shot of this movie. I get recognized all the time. The residuals have not I'm expecting to retire off of this where where's my money is what I'm trying to get up David I would, you know, contact Greg at CrossFit.com Teen documentary be elk. So probably the most the place we interact the most is Instagram at Hebrew Canon at Mars media at buttery Bros the 2019 documentary. We are still in the editing rooms cutting and it takes a little bit of time. It will be if you're familiar with the Crossett movies in the past. It will have a very similar release dates will be March of 2020 and it'll be on iTunes and a handful of other video on demand platform. Then we'll hopefully get it on some bigger ones as well. How how hard is that? I know I told you we were done but I do have how hard is it to get picked up on something like Netflix or Amazon Prime or or some of these other new streaming Networks? It's definitely hard. You have to have a it's not like there's a direct line where I can call it Netflix and say hey, I got a new movie check it out and they're like interested Jeff Bezos of Amazon is not calling you and being like hey, yeah, like we want the next one. Yeah, okay. I got kind of Lucky with Sony where we made phony we put it out on iTunes ourselves and that as a child has taken from Crossfit cross it put it out and it was number three on iTunes charts that weekend blew up and I got hit up on Twitter by a distribution company called gravitas Ventures. And so I put them in touch with Crossfit and then they you know, distributed Froning and got it on Hulu and bunch of different. At forms, I think it's now on Netflix and then they've done that for all the other movies that CrossFit made and because of that I've had a relationship with them and we're working with them on our newest movie. So they're already talking to Netflix and Amazon Prime and then kind of just negotiating to see what the best place would be for our movie to go onto very cool. Well, I'm excited for it. Hopefully, I'm you know, it's always exciting when when we see ourselves in your movies. So I And hopefully everyone will check all of you all of your information at all that stuff because you guys put out a really good interesting stuff, and I think you guys are basically the go-to when people want to watch CrossFit on the internet these days, so thanks for all you do. Well. Thank you. Thanks for listening to best our of their day. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. First of all, it's free. How cool is that? There's a creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. 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In this episode, Jason Ackerman sits down the half of the Buttery Bro. If you haven’t heard of  Heber or Buttery Bro you must be living under a rock. He was one of the driving force behind the Crossfit Games documentaries, but what's more, exciting if the work that he’s down since being let go from Crossfit when we got rid of their Media Team. Heber and long-time buddy Marston Sawyers teamed up to make the Buttery Bros which is bringing the Buttery content about the Games, Sanctionals, and all the athletes. They just to be seen to be everywhere right now bring out the best content for us the community to not only follow wants to go on but also in a fun entertaining way. Heber is a great person who is just following his passion with his best buddy making great content for the community don’t forget to check them out. Check out the extra content about this episode on besthouroftheirday.com Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts! Find us on Instagram: @besthouroftheirday + @thejasonackerman Check out our website - besthouroftheirday.com - to learn more about our private coaches development group. 