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We are covering episode 2 today Tremor you guys were getting more and more into this and it is crazy. We're talking a dying church and Dilli Texas who the heck has ever heard of Dilli Tanana, not me, not me we're talking. Remzi rationality and of course the first miracle we're also talking our special segment W Wy D and in case you didn't hear in episode one it with our review. That is what would you do? Okay, Debbie WYD and of course our news and gossip, but first before we get into it, my name is Tatiana Marissa and I am joined by my lovely cone. Co-host not cone host co-host a b'nai Chapman. How you doing? Good. How are you? I am good. I'm good. I'm having so much fun covering the This show with you just so you know, same good. I'm glad you feel like why so this is this is another this episode is another stunner. It's still slow moving. Okay, and they're introducing new characters, but I am not mad at it. Okay, because I'm getting more and more invested. It is only the second episode. But what were your overall thoughts of everything? Okay, to be honest with you. I'm still confused. Okay. I still need to hear or see more from these characters like I'm just still like what is going on. Like who are these people? What is this a agent doing? What are they investigating? What are they finding? Like what's going on? Nothing? Nothing is good. I still got more I still need more. So we're gonna get we're gonna keep watching. Yeah, good good. We have to got it right it's good. I yeah, there was no questions answered for me. I was more just like Character involvement and more miracles, I guess what we see the first miracle the first physical Miracle so that was kind of an interesting thing and where he travels where albums he shows up. So right that is new and interesting. So why don't we go ahead and just dive into this. So let's get into it, right Dilly, Texas and bum-ass. No, we're okay. We have her dying Church in dili, Texas never heard of Dilly. But it's we're introduced to Felix and his family now he's kind of I'm assuming she's got an alcoholic wife and a drug-addicted daughter Rebecca. So they're Dynamic is really interesting. I would like to know about more of their backstory, but I feel like I can kind of guess. Yeah, I kind of feel bad of course. Yeah, I feel bad for him. I mean there's a dying church. I feel like he put all of his hopes and dreams like when he was looking out to make sure that people were coming to his church and he sees the tumbleweed. And there's literally nobody nobody he's like, what is this? Right? No money. Nothing people Notre he had like four people come to a service. Like that's sad that's sad and normally people would just give up by then, but he did not so have faith you do right? And he did kind of I mean he kind of had thought when he was at the gas station that I thought was really interesting. So it seems like he's planning to do something to his church. I'm assuming Because he's in like Monument is debt, right totally how far would you go to protect your life's work? I mean listen, like he's had this church. I'm sure for years and years and years. I would think so, right. So I mean whatever you're trying to do with this gasoline, sir. I feel like you need to maybe think twice about it. Yeah, right. I mean your whole life savings. What are you going to do when you yeah, but I mean do they even have insurance out there? I like what is I mean, I'm a Assuming they do why would you why would you if you were gonna do something like burn down something like what what would you be doing if nothing around some like wood, there's nothing there's nothing there's nothing but it's like at the it's at the cost of his marriage. I mean, it's I think his lifework already dealing with the church is costing him his marriage right in general and I think so too. I think that's probably why she's an alcoholic, right? Yeah, right, but she's hiding it from hiding it from him as if he doesn't know seriously. Yeah, like that's what Yeah, he knows come on. Come on. We're not dumb. Okay, and then of course his daughter is this really troubled Crest team completely and I want to know why I like what happened there. But first of all what's wrong with her like she has these things at first. I was like she passes out. Yeah she passes out. Does she see things or does she like she doesn't convulse or anything? So it's not it's not like a seizure right, but they don't explain it. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Still have so many questions another question. Yeah, what is happening? Why is she why she liked it? I don't know what you also like smokes and is very like kind of like out there. Yeah. Yeah, spiritually like she doesn't seem grounded not at all considering that her father is a pastor. I mean, I think it's I think she's probably she's searching for something other than what she knows. I mean, it's such a small town, you know that it's like it's like going to private school when you I have eight people in your class, right? Hello. Yeah, you don't know what's beyond their you know, what's beyond that you totally live in a bubble you do. Yeah, you do is extremely sheltered because literally like there's nothing there's nothing until e-text this nothing you haven't heard of it. There's nothing so it's she's an interesting character and I'm excited to see where this where this development will go. I hope we get through. I hope you know, we get to see the full development. One of the character because sometimes they leave you hanging and then you're kind of like what happened to this person like ya I don't even care honestly about the main character this point what happened in this what happened to this character? So yeah, I hope we get to see the full length of her me too. Yeah, me too. I really hope so too. And this is also our first like Well - the CIA agent this is kind of our first, you know American introduction to almost die because he's Felix season on TV as he's looking at his past due bills. He sees him on TV and but it was interesting because I thought You know for for a pastor for a reverend, it's interesting that he didn't take more time to like research. Alma sighs. I like if I was a reverend and I would imagine that I know the Bible backwards and forwards. So if there is a guy in the Middle East that's preaching for 30 days and is disappearing from jail cells. Like I don't know it would send off some red flags for me, but it seemed like he was kind of you know, Used did you did you get that? I feel like maybe it was more like a shock. Hmm right look more like who is this guy? Like, okay them aside. Like is the could this actually be the Messiah like could this actually be him like is here everything that we've been reading about for however long like this this him so I think maybe more of like a shock wave like, oh, okay. Like we're in it the end time. Yeah, like what's gonna happen? Yeah, I mean in the world It was I thought it was interesting because he still continued with his day-to-day, you know after seeing him Alamos eye on TV. Like he didn't even know I guess I was expecting more, you know, like like, oh, he's here. Let's prepare. I don't even know how you would prepare for that. But, you know something like a plan of action or but you know, sometimes I wonder because you see when you see things on TV that is not in your hometown or what, you know, then you're like, oh it's over there, right, you know rights over there. It's not affecting me. Right so I'm kind of wondering if that was his perception when he saw a Masai on TV. I don't know I would be freaking out but that's me speaking of freaking out. We have plenty of freaking out here AfterBuzz TV for our after shows. Can you tell us more about that ebony? Yes, of course you guys thank you so much before we move on to the next topic. I would just we all want you both want to thank you so much for supporting us. So we would like for you to like subscribe comment on the video. We are also on iTunes so you can check us out there for the audio version. Yeah, so Please continue to support our shows continue to watch with us and we're excited to continue to report on Messiah. Awesome. Thank you for that course I needed that reminder. I forget how many shows we come here on after so many so many so getting back into it. I really want to talk about avram's irrationalities. Okay, he is the angriest person and I think I've ever seen that I like him you do. Is he your favorite character? Favorite that is pushing it but I do like him. Okay, I do like there's something Miss first. I think it's attract. Let me hook. Okay? Yes. I think he's hot. That's a yes. Yeah, right. And so I love question bad boy situation and he clearly has stuff going on with him that he's not you know that we haven't seen yet. So I'm interested. I'm intrigued call me. Listen to me good he is he is a he is yeah. He's very attractive. He's a very angry person. He carries around so much with him and he actually did delete that tape which we saw him do but now he has to kind of own up to it, which makes him even more pissed off because now the CIA agent knows and of course, he doesn't want anybody to know about megiddo that boy that somehow Alamos. I knew that he tortured I'm assuming he tortured this boy or killed this boy. I don't know, but I knew nobody was supposed to know so he doesn't want his superiors to know. I guess just like you Deleted it, which is why I delete it. So he's losing his mind because a Masai knows this so much so that he leaves his daughter in the car chasing the man that he thinks is almost high, right. So that is not that does not of course not so that tells me that you know, he has kind of lost his mind like he put the safety of his daughter in Jeopardy right to go chase this criminal with this gun outstretched. Come on, you took the gun out in the car with his daughter. Yeah, and that was pretty intense. I mean come on and if I was his ex-wife I would be pissed as hell to write, you know, like what are you doing? So he's we're just diving deeper into his obsession and he he's homeless we find he doesn't have a place to live. He's going through the split up or he's already divorced. I don't know but he just can't he can't keep his issues together and I think that you know in turn he goes and he captures jabril. Right at the very end. Yeah, and he takes them away into the night. Right? And I think ultimately he's going to interrogate him on the whereabouts of Alma sigh. I presume of course and so, you know, I fear for jabril because I think he's going to get the brunt of of avram's anger totally but I think the anger comes from this fear right fear of what of almost Like he knows too much. Who are you? How do you know who I am like I you know, he's a detective top, you know, so it's kind of like there's no access to them. It's not like me and you could just go access them and their personal lives and know what they're doing, especially if you know erasing tapes or whatever is something that has been done before so I just feel like he is he's in fear of his life. Is life he feels like maybe it's threatened something someone's coming for him because someone knows something way too personal like you think that he thinks it's his clearly he erased if whatever he did on tape or whatever killing the guy clearly. Nobody knows about it. Mmm. So if he knows about it's like they're coming after me. They figured it out like oh no they found what I've been hiding this whole time. So his obsession comes from so you think that like he thinks somebody's after his life totally so he's just got His job after him after him after yeah, like his livelihood what he knows and that would explain why you know, that would explain a lot. Yeah interesting. I like that. Take Here We Go. Whoo, we got it covered figuring out in the streets here. No more questions about this week. You have any questions about the show? We gotcha. I really want to get into the first miracle because that's a huge huge thing. And of course Alma side shows up at this, you know, beautifully spiritually. Doric Temple, right the Temple Mount which is holy to both Jews and Muslims. So it's a very prominent thing to show up at which I kind of guess that that's where he would show up but he's a perfect place to go and mind you I noticed my husband and I were watching this together and he is not quoted from the Bible this whole time. Okay, he's not quoted from the Bible. He's whole time. He's pulling from the Quran this entire time and he shows up at the Temple Mount and the wise men Who are sitting in that that group I call them the wise men or the Pharisees? They're not either of those but that's how I remember them. After sitting in there and they're watching him on their iPad or laptop or whatever, right? And they say, oh, you know, he's horrible. He's misquoting Muhammad and but he's fulfilling the prophecy of Muhammad by helping Islam while wearing the yellow rope and I guys I don't know much about that prophecy. All I know is that it's it's not from the Quran from what I understand. It's like in real life. It's not from the Quran. It's from like Muhammad's other book about his prophecies that he was Saying was going to happen to any way in there teach me did the right thing in the reviews. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. Okay, because we're all here to learn but there is there is a prophecy about somebody coming to help Islam and he's wearing yellow. I don't know what the significance of yellow is, right, but that's what I understand. So he so Al Messiah has come he is taking things from the Quran and quoting them while he is in Syria and mmm ascus and going into Israel. And so people are wondering if this is the Fulfillment of the prophecy. However, he is misquoting Muhammad or is he or is he right is hand? This is the whole thing like is the Messiah. Is he the second coming? I don't know. Do you know I don't know. So just a little background. Okay, so that's interesting. So anyway getting to it explaining way too much. I really love sure sure people watching they are interested. They're learning a thing or two. As well good. Okay, that's not lost. Don't worry. I'm glad okay, so he's preaching he's gaining a crowd. Everybody's excited. He killed he doesn't kill but people coming after him homicide and they should do a little boy. Yes, that sucks poor child poor child and it's I'm assuming it's the Israeli police because they're yelling get out of here. Get out of here, but he heals him and the bullet is out. This is his first I just met. It this is first active Miracle. Yes that we have seen. Okay, so it's really important. And of course this happens at the Temple Mount which is like super huge. I'm a skeptic. Okay, so I took it like a man did would you I mean did you were you like? Oh my gosh. He totally believed that I was like, oh my gosh, you don't got shot and he killed him. Oh my goodness, but it was not skeptical at all. I was like, Well the first miracle this is great. This is amazing. I was like Ava I was like, did you actually see them gun go off like was that real blood or what the boy must be in on it? Like that was my reaction. You know that she was really not believing it at all. I was like dang girl. You think everybody I made me a little town was in on it. That is crazy. It's crazy, but she's doing her job like she is the CIA agent. This is her job like a w CIA agent. That's okay because I'd be like, oh my God believing everything like it would be a problem. If it's captured on the phone goes viral then it must be true. Right? This is the whole thing now, but it's the couch on the phones ringing take a picture didn't happen. Right? Exactly exactly. So is it's interesting that this was the place. Where was it at the Temple Mount and and and this was where the first miracle took place so it's cool. I mean, it's cool but skeptic, but it's cool. So you're still you're on Ava Ava side? I'm I'm believing. I'm your team Messiah. Yep. All right, we got teams. We have Team. All right team was silent and I know I don't know yet. Okay. Are you ready? Are you ready for our special segment? I'm ready. I'm ready W Wy D. Okay. Here we go. What would you do? Here's the scene you are investigating a man. Who claims to be the Messiah he continues to escape you and all fingers are pointing to you as the person that helped him Escape. You have nothing to lose as your job is your life. So you pursue him. Okay at what point is too much to try to find him. What would you do? Okay, what would I do? Okay. Listen, my job is listen. All I know is that I'm trying to prove myself innocent. Okay, so if I did not help him Escape, I'm just as confused as everybody else is Where'd you go? How'd you get out of here? I'm going to I'm going to pursue you're going to like yeah. Nope. Nothing's too far. I mean, I think the day you know that you're innocent. So why sit down and take the guilty plea when you are innocent, right? So I feel like I would continue we would just be fighting to the death. I'm with you. I'm with you, right? Yeah. It's like we have like one with what else what else do you want me to do? Can you do yeah. Yeah, like if I say, okay. Yeah, I helped him Escape which is not true. I'm gonna lose my job. And now I have no money for real and if you lose your job, you lose your ex-wife. Maybe you don't want any way but you lose it and he was your daughter exactly. Uh-huh. So I might as well go down with a fight and if you die, at least you'll die with some honor. Oh, yes. We are hardcore here and it's like to bring you back. So it's all good. There's the kicker. There it is. That was her. Okay, it's okay. I'll just bring me back. That's good. I like it. I like it. Okay, I'm Jordan isn't gossip. Here we go. Cosmopolitan published an online article addressing what you need to know before watching Netflix is Messiah finding that many feel that the show is controversial, of course, not the like everybody which is to be expected when a fictional series takes significant liberties with sacred religious texts a change.org petition says viewers will immediately be able to notice that it is based on Islamic descriptions of the coming of dajjal which we talked about last time. Yes, which is Islam's false Messianic figure the petition is urging users to boycott Netflix for its anti-islamic propaganda and has already gathered nearly 5,000 signatures. Yeah. That's what's going on. It is so controversial that there is a petition on change.org which we touched on the whole the whole dajjal thing dissolve things. So it's an interesting thing. Of course, this is going to be controversial, but honestly, I don't think it's so controversial that everybody has to sign petitions. I think that it's a it brings about conversation, right? I think my goodness. This is like a whole nother conversation, but I do feel like Everyone is very tolerant, which is wonderful. Right and we need a great understanding of others to be able to get that understanding right. So I feel like if anything we should be using this as a teaching moment and not so much as oh, you're just like this is just offensive. Right? Some people just don't know sometimes things are offensive because there's not enough Dynamics in the room creating content like this, right? So I would hope that people are saying something like okay, this is right. This is more correct so that it's coming out as equal playing field. But at the end of the day, I just do feel like we don't always have to be so sensitive and if there is something that is offensive show us and tell us why it is offensive so that we can learn I think we should use this as like a teaching moment. If you know these five thousand people all your signatures like right, right. Netflix a letter write them figure out how you can get in contact with him to say like, hey actually this is more accurate this isn't portrayed the way you're putting it out there. I'm offend it by X y&z boom like yeah, they're very sensitive. Yeah, we are very offensive and what I like boycott and cancel culture and like this whole thing and it's it's really too much. It's so much it is so much. It's a lot to intakes and I'm like Yeah, there's so many, you know things and Brands and Blom like are we still going counting these things? Like I don't know, you know because we're so sensitive and you just want to be tolerant and be on the up and up but it's like that's almost impossible. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, and also, you know at the end of the day, this is a it's it's a fictional show, right? It's not happened. It's not happen and Netflix even had to put a disclaimer saying that these are not actual events and it's an interpretation. I was talking to my friend about it and I was saying like contrasting all this stuff. Well this and this and he was like look Tatiana. It's like this is an interpretation of something these events haven't happened. You know, this could or could not be biblically based right? This could or could not be Islamic based, correct? You know, right that's something that you would have to sit down with the creators and point-blank asked them right when the series is over, of course, you know because if you tell people before no but you know, either people are not going to watch it or watch it. Whatever. So at the end of the day it is content that is put out there to spark a conversation and to spark Intrigue and hopefully research right, you know interesting interesting. So interesting man so much. Well that brings our review of episode 2 2 and 2 close a close and we will be reviewing the next episode soon. Very soon you guys so before we go let us know where we can find. Have an egg you can find me on Instagram at Eben a Chapman 12. So my first and last name and the letter and the numbers 1 2 1 2 and also I am Tatiana maresa you can find me at Tatiana Maria saw on all social media platforms until then. Thank you so much for joining us here and we are excited to cover the show and more. We'll catch you next time. Our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever your grave we've got it. So go to AfterBuzz TV about cam check out our lineup Buzz see you later. You've expressed herein are those of the host only do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners of principle.
Season 1 Episode 2 "Tremor" - In Israel, Aviram is blamed in connection with the escape of Al-Mesih. CIA agent Eva is forced to track down the 'fugitive' as he shows himself at the holy Temple Mount. Here Al-Mesih conducts his first miracle. Raising tensions spread as Shin Bet police invaide the holy site, opening fire and accidentally shooting a boy. Al-Mesih is able to put his hand on the boy and heal him in front of everyone. The video goes firal and catches the attention of a Texas Reverend, Felix, and his dysfuncitonal family. Felix's church is failing and in has put him in so much debt he is forced to think of a plan to take care of his family as well as his church. Avirim becomes obsessed with finding Al-Mesih after he reveals his darkest secret. So much so that he leaves his daughter alone in the car to pursue an Al-Mesih look alike on foot. Be sure to check out the After Show hosted by: Tatiana Mariesa @TatianaMariesa and Ebone Chatman @Ebonechatman12  Follow us on http://www.Twitter.com/AfterBuzzTV "Like" Us on http://www.Facebook.com/AfterBuzzTV For more After Shows for your favorite TV shows and the latest news in TV, Film, and exclusive celebrity interviews, visit http://www.AfterBuzzTV.com 