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What kind of spa treatments did you get a long deep tissue massage and a facial do you like getting massages and that kind of stuff because I'm like, I can't do it. Like I don't like people touching me. These are the calms you down. It actually works. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just it's difficult to find someone that like that lays it in enough like their most people are afraid to get sued or if you know hurt somebody like they won't eat and a lot of people just don't like to get the shit beat out of them when they're getting a massage right? I mean that's it's well, then the good healing stuff happened exactly a sometimes it was you know, yeah. You know, I don't know if you've ever had one of those. Oh, it's at least a lot of toxins, you know and you go in there and beat the shit out of those knots and all those different little areas in you you know in there Jesus Christ. I'm fucking Rambler. You couldn't know, you know, I don't know what so I like knowing what goes on. Yeah a lot of toxins get released so it can kind of make you really lightheaded. Maybe a little bit. Let me go see you know, you feel it in your body has to release that shit. Oh, yeah, it was nice. It was just it's nice. I don't know the last several years. I haven't really done a lot of that kind of thing like self-care 19 care you stuff your stuff yourself. It's important to do that, you know treat yourself. Well, you know, especially when when you're working hard and you're getting shit done and you know take a dime. Yeah to do that. Just you know, can you know, you know all the stress and all this shit that we built not even just like physically how we our body feels but our brain feels right like so rice to get all that. Good do that and it was it wasn't just like the main part wasn't even the physical like it was just at what it did to me mentally, you know, and this the state of mind it put me in. Yeah. Are you able to kind of just kind of zone out a little yeah and just Nia and I've also been because I get in my head a lot at night. Well, that's the worst. Yeah and that I overthink. I do a lot of the same things, you know you all you do. Do you know sure everyone out there listening does? Most people can relate you know, and so what I've been doing lately when I'm in bed. Is it going YouTube and I find these like this chant. Okay. I know they have like a music to it like train it like like there's like a Buddhist chant like, oh isn't that does that count as ASMR are just know it's different different. Yeah, but there's a certain When see also a nice who really put your brain in a specific fucking but I'm not even going to know this is great. I love it. But like there's oh, let me jump - yeah, it's like this let's do. Yeah, and it just highlights and it's you be surprised what like does to you know to like just your sense of well-being and you know, like it really can help just shed all of that shit like that your brain or your not your brain, but your mind hmm, I guess getting bogged down with so yeah now it feels good. Yeah, it's also good. Yeah fan sound fan sound is like a common way like you have to have the fan on even though it's Old just because of the sound but you open has it's one of the look something like that. I guess I sound thing Riya right right remember which one it's not something going on. Yeah. I'm just calm now just talking about that because that's exactly right. Yeah. Hope I'm not putting everyone to sleep out there because YouTube nighttime routine videos like my not my night time routine. Those are very popular so you can I don't know. It's just an idea. I love it. So, yeah and And so also not just that but also have guided like guided meditations, you know, my own personal ones that I've had from my therapist Maria and Keven hook me up with Ida. Yeah, and there's also ones that you can go and find online, you know again YouTube they're guided meditations, but they're in there they're customized to like, you know, What you might be trying to accomplish, but they're not like specific to you. Right like it's not like they don't see your name, but you know, they really hope my breathing breathing in and out that sort of thing. It's more like a meditation. You're just like you just like reading your mind of all this shit except for whatever it is, you know, you're trying to get done. But yeah, anyways, alright enough of that shit for this is awesome. I don't know how you're going to go try some of these stuff. I'm gonna try all these things this is it sounds awesome. It's a big you know, it really helped. So that's one of the it's it helps every bit as much as swallowing a pill. Right right, I mean and and I mean that and as much as the immediate relief that you get from it, I see ya so it's not like you got to keep at it and you know, you fucking notice right away. Hmm. So anyways, all right, what do we do? Today Denise. Well, we put out another poll which are fun because a lot of people like to sort of submit their ideas and that sort of thing about what we're going to talk about this week. So today we're going to talk about you teaming with Kane. Now. I know a few people might have heard our podcast with Kane. I don't know a couple months ago when my husband on really okay clearly have no time perspective. Okay, so but some of the some of you guys may have listened to the podcast and we did talk about it briefly, but given that xpac and came where the The hottest tag team of 1999. I think we need to go back and really talk about it really dive into it. There's a lot of rumors that I also want to find out get some questions and get some answers to so I think it's pretty exciting especially because during this time the Hardy Boyz Edge and Christian hadn't hit their stride yet that The Dudley Boyz. We're still in ECW the New Age Outlaws at this time. We're doing more singles competition. So Canaan xpac you guys were you know, you guys had the crowd in the palm of your Really invested into the storyline. So let's just start from the beginning. Obviously this tag-team further both yours and Caine's character wise and further guys is career, but let's just start off with how everything came about and how you guys got started as a tag team. So go going into WrestleMania 15. I was I had my you know, my Feud with with Shane McMahon and China had already turned on Deck. Yeah, I'm gone with you know, the corporation who unquote and So Hunter were had a singles match with with Kane. Hmm at WrestleMania 15 and and so my deal with with my match what Shane so they came to me? Vince McMahon ask me himself like top of the match with Shane and I was like I've talked about this before and I saw I won't like go delve into this but you know, one of the things was okay, but you know, I I'm going over like I have to come through hmm, you know that down to this and you know, absolutely, you know, no problem with that. And and so I don't know if you remember but you know, they put a lot into building that thing up and Shane and I yeah, I'm talking about chain and Ian off a lot and this thing supposed to be talking about Kane many ways. Yet so I don't know a couple months out leading into mania Paul, you know as we travel together and all that, you know, Paul, you know talked about how the he was turning heel Mania and you know eventually and no one asked me this, you know, because they mean they knew they told me hey you going to go over all that and no one came to me and go. Hey. We want you to you know, once you lose the shame, but it just seemed like the right thing to do. All right, so like pause pause he'll turn let me know who the fuck like if he doesn't turn on me. Who's you get like how's that going to need anything? You know like so I was like, yeah, you kind of got a turn on me there. I guess I'm getting fucked right? So I yeah, that's what happened with that. And yeah. But so where to go with me after that, right? So so I mean mind you I had a little you know had one singles match what Paul, you know, he went over on me and like, you know continued with this heel push and so the cane that the Cade and I was Kind of like your reward for I look at it that way. Okay, you know, you know I'm team player, you know, I you know jumped on the grenade 404 his heel turn and so, you know, that was like I looked at it like that. Okay. I'm getting my reward for being team player all that and but the thing is is it was more than just that it was great. It was fucking great. Yeah, it was just the whole way like the the story was told and gradually, you know, I don't know if you guys remember this. Did you go back and watch it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah well and that was one of the things I wanted to talk to you about not to get like not to Sidetrack or anything, but just kind of the fact that it was this there was this emotional core. Yeah. So why you guys got together the fact that you guys were both sort of like on your own? Yeah, so The I just remember coming out and you know, every time I would come out and get involved in and when I came as deal is, you know, he'd end up choke slamming me right? That was the that was the fun part because when when he was basically with Owen Hart and Jeff Jarrett issued an open Challenge on Sunday night, he and Kane accepted it and then essentially when he was getting beat down or two on one you came out and helped them out, but it seems like I love Aspect of it because you know, he was getting ready to choke slam you and you know, even though you were there to help them out in that way. So I feel even in your guys's first match that you guys had together on Raw afterwards you notice that even with the finish of how it all ended where you know, he had the it like he was going to choke them you again but it's sort of played into it as well. And even the way that he was just standing there, you know, you know waiting for like just standing there and waiting for it while you were getting beat up, you know, just like the fact that he was just standing there. With zero emotion, like little tiny things that you guys did really play to that character, you know. Yeah, and it wasn't just that match but there were situations where I came out to help right now. I'm not even in the match, but I don't know there was a beat-down going on or whatever the hell was happening and I would come out and he would grab me and chokeslam me. So who wasn't even just that match like there was a couple other things to write and and just This was a big transition for Kane, right? You know being the type of heel he was just took the type of character in general. I mean, especially there's no no never never spoke a word, you know, I was all but one of the things I am not sure what airline that is freaking plane flying them anyways. Yeah, so can he spoke volumes? Well, ever ever ever saying a word it was just a the tilt of his head or you know, or just it was all body language stuff. It was amazing and I really love that and I mean I'm skipping ahead a little bit here to when he started talking like I would have been just fine if he never spoke of All right. Well, one of the things that I love not to not to jump ahead is that that segment where we're not segment, but after after you guys beat the the acolytes when you kind of make him talk without the voice box for the first time. Yeah, so let's wait for the sure sure. But so do you remember whose idea it was in the first place to put you guys together? No, no. But I'm pretty sure that Rousseau had something to do with it. Like he was you know, I mean, that's who I talk to about all that. Yeah, I mean because I would get a call from you know, Russo and I would talk like on a Wednesday. You know and talk about what we have coming up for TB. Tycoon. Vince was really good about that up until I started like not liking a lot of his ideas. You know that you quit calling me as much but not be in a good relationship with everybody as far as like talking, you know communication and all that and and all that but and and you know, it's different there, right? It was just like hey, here's here's the situation and you we went out there and made it right like We created in our in our heads and execute at all. Like there was no verbage. There were no line script all of it. Like yeah. No, I I'll just I'll just grab the stuff win. We actually get to it. I don't want to jump around so much but there are things like I can point to like in you know, as this is all playing out to her. Like it was really great TV, and it was just totally it improved. So what was is the relationship between you and Glenn Pryor? we we were friendly because you know Glenn Glenn was trained by the same. We had the same teacher the great malenko and actually when I went down to visit after if I was in debt, I don't know if I was 1-2-3 Kid yet. I might have still been just like lightning kid or whatever. But like I went back from I was in Minnesota at the time. I went to Florida to visit and and Glenn was down there training and there was What he was doing at the time was training for this group called pro wrestling fujiwara Goomy, which is like UWF style was like it was like an offshoot of UWF Sharon funakichi was part of it fujiwara several guys. This was before funakichi broke off and formed pancrase. Okay. So anyways, yeah. So Glenn has a background in doing the shoot. In style stuff. Yeah, he went over there and did that a few times so, you know, he's dangerous guy, you know, not just because he's a tricked-out. Yeah interesting. I don't do that. Yeah, so and we you know, so, you know, we had we were connected that way and that's that's really and just such a nice guy. Yeah, it's hard not to like so and really so well, I'm sitting at home, you know after my next surgery and everything and you know, we talked about the you know, get fired from WCW. It's another story but during that time is when I see them introduce the King character and I have you seen any of that or he comes out during like a Like during the Hell in the Cell match versus Shawn. Yeah. Yeah, and and that was that was the best. I don't know best. That was the best up there done in quite a while right at that point and I was like, oh my God, you know this is this the whole character. I mean they and they did such a great job with that. Right? So yeah. And and that's not easy right? Because Mike Coming off like that fake diesel then right? Not a lot of momentum going there right then before that the income so, you know, it's just a guy that went out there and they gave him something and he did the best he could with whatever they gave him. Mmm. And finally they gave him something great and he fucking hits out of the park. So yeah, so let's go ahead and jump. Okay, so actually before we jump into that did was the plan always for you guys to go as long as you guys did or was Is there a you know a plan for you guys to be more of a shorter-term tag team or wasn't until they saw the popularity that helped it extend. Yeah, I think that because they took the we haven't got yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good question. I think it I don't think they I think they were just trying to come up with something and we just did a great job with it. Right? I mean it was good idea whatever but was the way we actually did it. That was the real fucking you know, magic behind that wasn't the writing rights. Right Honest. So then April 5th 1999, that's the day that you guys become Tag Team Champions, and I already mentioned this earlier but so cane watches you get beat and it played very well because again he was showing No emotion. It was almost like he didn't realize that not like he didn't realize but like he didn't realize that you guys were like and item together and the crowd was begging for came because they were just watching you get B and then came was just like, you know, okay and then he eventually comes in he act like he's gonna choke slam you and then in the end he slams you on top of Jeff Jarrett looking like it was accidental on his portion, but ended up helping you guys get the win. So the the finish for this was great and I think it was one of the most creative finishes that I Recall seeing just because it played so out with the character and The Accidental way that it happened and the crowd pop huge for this it was insane. So with this, how did you feel knowing you guys were going to get the tag team titles? And we've did you already knew this going in? I mean we obviously we know are going into the marriage like right like when the idea was first pitch. I mean, I don't know. I don't remember. I honestly don't remember any big sit-down and hey, okay. So, you know after WrestleMania here, this is what we have for you like it might have been that but it doesn't stick out my mind, you know as something that I remember. Yeah, I just Obviously we had two runs with the title. So You know, I mean it was it was working. So hey, why do we why do we Veer off course on that? I'm right, you know, so I don't know and then you also had the post-match interview where there was just you by yourself with the bout and you're like, I don't know where canes at. Yeah. And so one thing that sticks out of my mind about that match and that finished was when when I got back my finish by the way. Fuck that girl over there. Austin came up to me and really put it over huge because it was he said to me and that was such a feel-good finish because you know, everything's going great and shit, you know, he grabs me and Google's me again and you know, and so it just kind of everybody off guard right? Not this again. Oh shit. It right. So yeah any goes back to what I say about any time you can like catch people off guard or fool them or trick that like in a good way like its that's those are the really cool things in wrestling to me. Sure. So yeah, I just remember Austin really liking that so yeah, and I remember I don't specifically remember that for a while afterwards. Oh you were just basically saying like Don't know where canes that this and that it was really quick. But it was just funny because I like that in the end. You guys didn't do the okay. We're celebrating, you know, and he's you know, just standing there but it made more sense that you know, he's off. He's mysterious. He's doing whatever Kane would be doing on his own, you know, so I thought that was a unique touch. So now after this you guys defended the titles against various teams, including your rematch with Jeff Jarrett and Owen Hart's Triple H and The Rock then uh, Outlaws Edge and grain Grail, but with this, While this was all going on Artie's. Well, this was all going on to Triple H. Oh, you know was with the corporation really was in the middle of his King of the Ring push and so DX sort of faded into the background. So with this when was it decided that, you know, you guys would be steering away from DX. And was there did you feel like any sort of how did you feel when you became successful with Kane and essentially on your own without 2dx, huh? I don't remember thinking, you know, you know, I don't remember thinking about it like that. I just remember. Okay, this is going gray and I still felt like we were in D act like I still can't the music and you know, I came on did the entrance and I don't know and also I I don't know that that's it. Shouldn't be that hard of a question than these. Sorry. No, it's obviously when you were with NWO and then afterwards, you know, you came into WB and we talked about this last week where you came in and you said, you know, you obviously you had that hype with you know, coming off of that and going into DX and now you're part of this DX faction. Okay, and now you're separating from that and No, now we're seeing more of its kind of just he and I on our own and what exactly so but don't fine with it. I was curious crate. We were having a nice run and and I enjoyed them, you know the matches we were having and you know, it was and I just really love, you know, I've talked about this before that. He's my favorite partner of all my partner's like I just like the stuff that we did like the like Just stuff we created like the the moments and you know the matches and all that. I just it's my favorite just for like creative reasons and and really proud of some of those matches we had, you know, so you got to talk about a few of them and I think you also mentioned this when we had a jungle boy and muchas Horas and you also mentioned A nice sauce or salt like a correlation between your team with Kane and jungle boy and muchas Horas as well. Absolutely, you know their relationship. Yeah, not nice. I mean as much as the in-ring stuff like it's the relationship the dynamic between the two of you know, I really like A lot actually, yeah, absolutely you guys I think one of the one of the best things about that team is that you guys complemented each other. So, well not only in the ring but also character-wise the fact that that you were so kind of all over the place and had so much energy and this, you know, like basically like Michael Myers kind of character and helped humanize the both of you but also you don't typically see teams of of your guys a Styles, you know teaming together. I think that that helps I didn't like A lot of the stuff we did like I just kind of did out there and then so cane reacted as Cain like I remember one time on the ramp on the way up the ramp. He saved me or something and I gave him a big hug, you know, and that was just I did I just did like a diploid like, you know wonder what would I do right now? I don't get a hug and just the way it all played out the way he reacted to it and the way that the way they shot it and the way just just a presentation of it. I just Yeah, ever since you know, people are emotionally invested and us as a team. Yeah, you know, I relationship seemed to really authentic, you know, it's interesting to me that you mentioned that you know, you guys came up with a lot of this stuff because that was actually going to be my original question as in how you guys came up with this sort of dynamic for you guys to work together. So well, so, you know when bouncing ideas back and forth with each other, you know, was it very easy to sort of, you know, come up with things working with Glen like this very very What would you say that you brought and that he brought like that was differently or the same or that you guys both had in common ideas. You wanted to push forward. I don't remember what he brought was. He's six foot ten. And you know, I just in just do when he brought ones like Kane, you know, he brought cane to the to the equation and you know, it was so easy to come up with ideas, and it was just God it was just so many different possibilities out and just I don't know. I just I can see I always went into it like like I never went into and you can remember might remember when he was on the show we talked about this. I always went into on how we can feature Glenn Howard Hughes the stars back for a lot of stuff that you would vouch for him or or stick. For him, I forgot the exact words about yeah, I would yeah, I would yeah, I would take a bullet or like that's not the right where I would like I would like, you know wrap my fists and dip my hands and you know tar and dip them in broken glass and go in and fight when it came to you know, if they were doing something that wasn't right for Cain. Hmm. So and was it something that you just knew like in your gut like this isn't right to do or what? Or was it something that he expressed to you privately like, oh, I'm not a big fan of this. Oh, you didn't have to he didn't have to okay never once. Nope. I always knew and that was a lot of that with stuff that he was doing on a singles basis to you know, and did he know that you would go and you know stick out for him or was it something that he found out? No words, you know if your friends gonna go out there and speak up for you. You I mean if I was the person I would be like, oh, maybe we baby. Maybe you shouldn't was right so fat. She wasn't being selfish about things. It was just that didn't make sense and you know wasn't wasn't right, but ya know tell you think it's some specifics damn it. I wish I wasn't was there anything that they pitch to you that you can remember that was like hmm. No, no II there were things but it wasn't that hard sure how because I made sense because you know when you're right about things and and that like, you know, it was just okay, you're right most of the time right and you've you got it wasn't me going in there. Like, you know, what about Mimi Mimi sure it was No, this is wrong for him. Exactly. And I think with that cane with the cane character with characters like that. It's such a delicate balance. Like it's easy to mess that up and and make the carrot make the audience not take them seriously anymore. So it's a tough line to watch. So there was a there was a brief period of time there were Glenn. He got hurt he heard so I can remember what he heard elbow or something and he dropped some weight and it was noticeable and so, you know a couple of The people in Creative started trying to book him. Like he wasn't fucking monster anymore because it was those some kind of knows I'm so he still he still Kane, right? Yeah, you know, he's a supernatural beat. I got mean he's no we don't Veer off course because he dropped 15 pounds. Yeah, you know, that was Terry Taylor. I had that argument with who I love very much. Yeah, it was wrong. I guess we found one of those instances before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. 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I don't recollect any of that. No, Do you think it would have worked? No, no, not at all. No, it wasn't necessary because I mean he almost kind of was right ya know. So do you think that because I was also thinking, you know, obviously you and came were super popular. Do you think DX could have worked with you Kane? Roadog? No, Triple H. No China no Billy Gunn know even with given how it like know you taking leadership. Ever no, I mean I kind of was a little bit because we did this thing like fight for the rights to DX. Right? What are you ever that versus China and Billy? Yeah, and I think Paul might have been in on that too. I can't remember anyways, so no no and we were always very protective of you know, I've talked about this before when when Paul first turned on me like Russo immediately wanted to Fill his fill that hole in val venis. So interesting this fill that all about Yeah, so it would just know we were very careful and and when I came to that we're going to I mean it was enough enough of the changing around when when Sean left went on the shelf and we added myself and billion buying. Okay that was You don't like you don't want three or four different fucking versions of a band to my oh, you don't want like The Horseman right? Because I think there was a lot of Horsemen there was I think I counted the other day. I think there were like 16 of the Four Horsemen. Yeah. Is that what exactly I read something 16 for hours. So, okay. Let's talk about your first title drop then so you guys lost the titles. Acolytes, it still remained a team though, which is surprising because you know so many times where two guys are thrown together nowadays, you know II they lose you might just see them drift apart, but you guys didn't go popular act. And also we were making a fuckload of money for them or two dice wise. Oh nice. Yeah. Yeah. I saw a list. It was like mm actually by the time who Kane and I were like number four and five in the country. Company. Oh as far as merch Rock therefore. Could Stone Cold? Yeah, you know, there's your four or five or five or six something like that. Totally. Yeah, either way that was that the very top that's awesome. According to Meltzer. Hey, you know you laugh or whatever but when it comes to figures and numbers, like I believe are Dave's on the fucking money on all five always has been but Okay. Yeah, I just I don't remember who we worked with, you know, after we lost titles and you guys had various various matches various different opponents. Yeah. Yeah and how long before we want him back August 9th you have and then you have them for three weeks and then you lost them again. You lost them to Undertaker and Big Show. Yeah, and it was it was just actually during this time that Triple H won the WWF title at SummerSlam and began to reform. That he as a heel and the heel faction. Yeah, and we started telling the story of you know, okay who's Billy back involved? Yeah, Billy Billy Russell. Yeah, you know, I started kind of hanging out with those guys again and he but I'll actually pull him really jumping up. Are you missing the stuff where I do the stuff with the Undertaker and Kane shoots me with the fireball. Yeah. Let's talk about that. Did you? I have everything in a different. I have more things in terms of topics and questions Forum. It added a formatted a little differently this time. Okay. So was that after you guys had beat the acolytes for the titles four to one of the second time when I got shot of the playable? Yeah. It must have been around the time when you know leading up to the stuff with taker guy. Okay tinkering and Big Show. Hmm. So yeah. Where we talk about the Fireball and all of that. So now tell us how that all played out and you know, the where the idea came from how you felt? I don't remember I just remember. Yeah, there it is God. That's a great match. I had a match and I think it was in Dallas American Airlines Arena, but I had a match with Taker and it was real quick. I like some happened in the corner. I'd chop I speak kicked him and like busted his fucking mouth open. It was crazy. And I he grabbed me and threw me in the corner and fucking let me up and bust like I mean the chip we were both but like I had a big black guy and his fucking mouth was bleeding over a 30 second man, right boom down I go and like Cannes music cane Boom the fire everything out. He comes takers hold. By the hair and King goes to shoot taker with the Fireball and came to our take a turns and you know, he hits hits me on accident and I saw the fuck up and I'm screaming and I'm blind or whatever I can but yeah, and I've talked about this on my Twitter account because you know people ask me how did you do that? And the basic answer is he just shot me in the face with the fireball? There's no I had a little bit of flame-retardant. Gel my hair. Okay, you know but and you know over the face kind of like a sunscreen sure almost but I mean that's still the fireball hit week. You worried that you know, this may go wrong. No, I mean, you know, it's it's in the back your mind. It might but it's like you can't be worried about that kind of thing because then shit will get fucked up. You will get hurt right. So you just deal with those things, you know, if Happen so you didn't even you weren't thinking like twice about because I mean imagine like this is fire coming to your face, you know, your face is everything but it's for its there's a reason we're doing it and we're doing it to make money and we're doing it for this, you know this television segment. We're trying to make good TV, and I was more like it was more important for me to make good TV and be involved in making, you know stuff. Memorable moments. Yeah, totally know and something like this. Yeah, you never forget something like that. So yeah, it's just it's weird. Like it's just it's different now. Right right. I mean that not as much of that happened, um, because that's kind of like they kind of shy away from getting real heat these days. I think they might they're going to start going back to it because I mean gone no not changing the subject. If you watch what Bach did to Ray last night, that's real heat. Sure. Sure. That's that's real heat that they've shied away from well and I think and not to not to go even further off topic but I think what they're doing with with Bray Wyatt with the fiend is reminiscent of what they were doing with cane around 97 98 99. I'm protecting that character not willing to go anywhere wrong with it. You know that sort of thing. Yeah. I don't Sean. I remember you telling a story. It's one of these. I don't know if it was during The Kane Show or when you were talking about what muchas Horas or jungle boy where? You said that with Kane that you would go out and you would get like I forgot you said you would get really hurt her or something happened to you each and every single night or something that you have anyone every tell that story are clear because I was just thinking about that wrong. That's actually and I don't even want to there was a certain tag team that we worked with like on a nightly basis. Okay, and there was a certain spot in the match where I got knocked out every night and I fucking knew it was coming every night. I still did it. I was remembering that you knew was coming. Can't remember exactly what it was. I'm not gonna name names because I don't want to make that person feel bad with her when I fucking kicked him every bit as hard as they fucking did me. I just I tell I took it I took it hard and you know, I could have said something or I could have just not taken it so hard right? Well, it was just like a little guy here Echoes part where I get knocked out again. She's a fucking every night goddamn. So how did you feel when Kane when Kane spoke and when the idea came about that it was going to happen. Huh? I don't know. It's just part of the thing and okay, that's what they want to do. And so okay, how are we going to do it and we didn't realize we didn't rehearse we didn't we just say, okay. This is what we're going to do when out there and it was like Brian said something or whatever. We want the belts and those guys came out and I celebrate it with us and then I was just kind of had that but I didn't say and you know You know, I just remember him going to talk with the voice box and I'm like, you know, hmm. Anyways, I got the car worked up they were into it. Yeah. Oh, I remember those those moments vividly because they did such a good job in pushing him as the sun. Yeah. I'm stir that like it was a big moment at all. It was was him just gone suck it without the fucking voice box right now created such a memorable moment is huge. Yeah and like Hard for me to look at like that sometime because I just what we did we were them that maybe don't know what okay, wait, we just had look. Okay, that was at the Allstate Arena and you know, a lot of us have talked about that. That's the best building crowd reaction was there is anywhere and that night it would never exception Rags exceptionally exceptionally. Lively that was the same night Jericho debuted as well. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Also just Ventura was there Snoop Dogg was there too. Oh my gosh. Yeah because we rode me and Road Dogg and Godfather and a couple other people and Snoop Dogg are in this room and we're all smoking this joint and and this is back in 1999. Yeah, and you know Chicago not LA and just Venture anyways, Marissa Shane's wife is standing outside with the spray like trying to get the smell out of the fucking hallway Here Comes Jesse Ventura Governor Ventura smells good in here. And anyways, you know, so it was like we just had to smoke pot with Snoop Dogg's so but yeah, but yeah, I remember I think part of the reason reason that moment resonated with me so well is because it reminded me of when take our first spoke when he was on the funeral parlor. Yeah, and it's those moments when those characters speak for the first time, you know, you don't forget those. Yeah, it's crazy because I feel like Keynes had like, you know because he also had that moment like I like also one of the things that always remember that I remember was when Kane first unmask to and it's you hated it. Well, I'm not sure I took his mask and I'll be you know that yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I remember like but it's funny because like It's crazy how like those little moments like, you know, just having those little moments and making them like a real big deal and having people like really like get excited about those things, you know sure it's so that talking about taking the mask up like everyone wants to see what's under the mask but then afterwards it's like, you know, it's been with the mask on nothing. Yeah. Nothing will ever live up to me. Yeah. It's like there's like there's like a line from the movie Seven. That's long ago. Those lines like it'll never live up to what you built up in your mind. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about the part. Okay. So you're you're you're back with DX but you're still sort of, you know, telling Kane like, you know, we're still buddies like we're still Bros we talked about we talked about the Summer Slam match yet and all that where we lose the belt. Yeah. I mentioned it earlier. Yeah, but like let's go ahead and talk about you guys. Okay, so you guys really won the titles on August 9 gets had them for a while and then you lost them to Undertaker and Big Show. Yeah. So the sum Slam that year was in my hometown and Minneapolis. So that was a big deal for me. So, you know, we were kind of we were like the second some someone Mala and so there was a three-way I think you know, it was Hunter and Hunter and Mankind and Austin or something. I think so. Yeah, I would venture Jesse's the red special rough. Hmm. And he was D just become the governor. So there was a big you know, Now it's a huge deal Rusty Venture. Right all of a sudden like before, you know one would you couldn't even say his name around there then became governor and his buddy Jesse Yeah. I was yeah, so I really enjoyed the build-up for that for that match, you know, because we were featured, you know strongly on TV and it worked good with those. I really liked working with Taker and I like I really liked working with show to there's a there's a point and hold my God take her got so fucking mad at show like show did this thing? I'm laying on my back and he kind of likes stepped on me, but he was trying not to hurt me. So it really really looked like he was trying not to hurt me fucking take it just ripped him a new one. What the fuck was that mean? You convert like oddly here. I will. What the fuck was that? He was mad and then I'm like don't get like he's gonna fucking bike overcompensating. I started coming to the fucking man. So and we did like was a fun match. Yeah, we did it finish where show gives me the chokeslam. Everyone thinks it's that's it. And then you know Shadow covers me with this foot on my chest and I kick out the place goes, you know, if I can pop huge and then take care of this comes in gets mad at show. There was like it was part of the storyline, but part real at the same time his day were some brow being it going on when it came to show. I'll try anything. Yeah. Yeah, cuz that that storyline have taken mentoring him was kind of shoot Tom. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Anyways, I remember boo boo facing boo boo facing means pouting because we were losing the titles my hometown, right? I remember going can we just can we do something that you know, yeah, no Lord Varys by that. It wasn't a big deal wasn't like, you know, I don't walk around pouting all day. Like you should have known for one thing. I mean, you know, PVH is never one of their own Hometown. I was gonna say nowadays, but they never seemed so yeah, but yeah, so anyways after that not long after that. We started planting the seed for the big turn. Yeah. Okay, so, you know, all right, so you essentially okay. So you're back with DX and you know, you're still sort of, you know, playing it off with canine, you know, you guys are still buddies. We're still you know, we're still broke and all of that stuff and heats, you know feeling reassured but then you turn on Him, so I thought the stuff like the the segment's where I'm telling him. There's nothing to worry about. I thought that was a really good. Yeah, they were they were you know, they were very they didn't come out because there was no scripted lines. It was just say something about the and so it was all just our words my words, you know, I think it kind of felt relatable because you know you and we all have all been, you know in the school yard with our friends and you know, we think someone's our friend and they have our back but then they get with the cool kids and they forget Out you and I was thinking about that. I was like that is so sad and I think that really resonates with people in terms of feeling that feeling that with Kinks You know, they can probably relate to you know, bully days in school and stuff like that and I can't remember at what point he picked up. He got in a relationship with Tori right on on screen, you know relationship, but somewhere along the lines she became as his girlfriend. Turn right and so ya are. Our so what was that was the situation what Matt? I mean he had a match and that's when I came out and turned on him and did The expiratory Christmas Story Time? How is here? Yeah, but how did you because it was pretty like watching that like you can't help but to think man, that is so messed up, you know. And it was kind of like well, I think you said that people were asking like, why did you do it? Why did you do it because you can't help it but you know because if you put yourself in this mind, we're like Kane, you know, he's a monster. He's the guy with the mask. No girls gonna date him and then he finally gets his girlfriend and you know, it's this big hoorah and then you know you he has X Buddy goes ahead and just take some fresh air that's from him. Excuse me. So tell us about how that whole thing played out in terms of like the idea how you felt about it how he felt about it all love that. I wish I could I wish I knew like I wish I could I wish I had like a vivid memory like this was all laid out. I just remember it all kind of unfolding but gradually it seemed like it didn't seem like it was just overnight. I can't seem like we took our time with this shit. Did you like the idea when you're first pitch that you're like, yeah 31, let's do it. Yeah. Yeah and like all the whole you saw the segment where we got them down in the corner, you know made them like basically suffer and watch yeah. Yeah. My kids were confused when they saw that what was their reaction? I just remember like my lifetime going, you know, like stay with confused by them. I what do you want watch right? Yeah. So, how did you explain that or remember? What did they think they were just like, why is he doing this? They seen some things that confused them a lot more than that to knees around that time. So, right yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, it was just I don't remember I just and it was all my stuff. I came up with this laptop my head like that whole Christmas Story thing and it was right around Christmas time and it wasn't so much like how I said it was just that it was the situation right and like the Venom and like that. you know, so it wasn't the word that was like two fucking the tone and it's a Venom that voice just like Yeah, there's a picture right there. We shouldn't use handcuffs. Right? What the fuck? Anyways. Yeah, I tell you people want to even after that a few was finished. Like when we came back and did the 2002 NWO mmm, he would come out and people would still go fucking crazy when he would come out after me and a few was was done, you know. Anyways, yeah about like let's get back to the okay. So there was that T's though that came would eventually joined the heel the heel faction of DX was that ever going to happen or was it just like a tease? No. Yeah, and it wasn't really like it wasn't really a DX that wasn't really a necessarily a heel DX yet was it it was already like you guys were already healed. So yeah because it had been started since when Triple H. Formed it, okay. Yeah, but there was some kind of gray area there. Yeah, and it's funny because I was going to actually ask you this was going to be one of my questions but I'll just go ahead and ask you now. Okay, so I was considered a lines were blurred between heel and face during this period so do you think you guys could have stuck around as a tag team for more while still doing the DX stuff or was it the right time to turn there was the right time? Okay. It's exactly the right time. Yeah, and like all the stuff that came from that like it was all I was. Farewell, I really proud of all that stuff too. What's the dynamic difficult for you being the smaller wrestler being the heel considering it's usually the opposite way. What can you tell us about that? Yeah, it's just on top of just your average guy that size, you know as a baby face keeping a guy like that in trouble being able so I've talked about this and I taught its advice I give to a lot of people now own a PC actually like especially because there's a lot of matches these days with you no disparity in size and like if if if you're a smaller guy that wants to be successful working with bigger guys. You have to come up with creative ways for them to stop themselves. As opposed to all the sudden when it's time to get heat on you. Just stop them like when he's like seven feet when he's a football on you and outweighs You by 200 pounds right? It's much better if you move out of the way and he crashes and burns and that's how like that's how you shut them down. Hmm. It just it makes more sense in it helps. It just makes it more credible. Yeah. So like always had a lot of those creative ways of doing things like that. And so yeah, and on top of that he was you know, like a carbon copy of The Undertaker when it came to how he sold things, you know, you hit him with something even big two seconds later. He's sitting up and fuck on his way back up and it's yeah, it was a lot of work it was A lot of work and I used to just I used to you know used to use anything I could to get there. You know, I got I've talked about this before I he went to the hospital like two three nights in a row or two three matches in a row because I kept busting him open like with different things and fucking ring bell dings like that. And you know, he was nice guy to want to make me feel bad to even tell me so then I fucking hit him again Tanaka, you know. You're so bad. Yeah, so yeah, but it was. I remember one time I had I was poked in the main event. It was on a house show and it was like Iowa. It was Davenport, Iowa, something like that. And so I'm coming from home. It wasn't already on the road coming from home. You know, I don't know why it was late. And and anyways, I ended up missing every flight. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm in the main event cage match rush. I saw it Shone like a fuck. You know, it can't there's no way I'm going to make it. Yeah and So I'm about to call him and you know, tell him I can't make it and and I fucking owe Lou stop. That's Lulu everybody interrupting me. See where was I? Yeah, thanks for interrupted Lou. You're about to call him and say yeah make it. Yeah, and then so what ended up doing was calling and say I'm going to be late. Wait, and I've drove to something called a signature terminal and I rented my own plane. Yeah, I did fly it myself right here, you know turning my own flight and I made it. I got off the plane. I got in the taxi. I fucking change my into my gear in the taxi and legit. This isn't I'm not making this part up like as soon as I got there my music was playing. Oh my God. Yeah, did you even have like a moment to like put yourself? Like okay. I gotta go on now, you know turn yourself on it already like you know that the hold on stalled enough. Yeah, and so my my payoff is about half half the cost of the flight and I told the story, you know, I just said hey, that's my bad. I fucking you know. No. - the flight and that's and but they were you know, Jim Ross was he was impressed with you know, I was about to give up on getting there and you know, no matter what I was going to get there. Even if it cost me way more than I made that night. Yeah, I guess how many people would think well, let me get my own plane, right? You know, most people would yeah exactly when you're at when you're counted on to be you know, you know main events in that you have to do whatever and if anyway so Jim Ross sent me the money. Yeah, they pay people. Yeah, there was roughly was double double what I made that and I was like I had to fight cause like 3,500 bucks. I think my payoff it was a smaller town. So if that right my pay I was like 17 or 16 hundred bucks, which is a that's a that's a lope pay up and it was a really small. So was this beer see Tom? So anyways boy, I really fucking took a lot of time to tell that my own plane. Okay, so, you know, we're talking about basically the yeah, like you basically chartoff, you know, finding a way to really get over as a heel being the smaller guy and you know that sort of thing. So now Armageddon 1999 you guys have your match against one another. Yeah. That girl. Is this the cage match? Yeah the Armageddon match. Yeah, that's great the cage match, right? We're talking about right? Yeah. yeah, we did some stuff and and Tori was involved in the in the finishing like or just in the match and Shit, I'm trying to think anyway, so so I added stipulations on a cage match because in WWE, you know, there's been a couple of different ways. They've done cage match right there. And you know, we used to have that big big blue metal cage, you know fucking hurt like if you just barely hit run into a kill you anyways, it just wasn't it wasn't a very good. Oh my God Lu sorry. She's ready to go. She's like I'm out. Oh. Anyways, where was I jeongmi VA, they used to have old blue cage. Okay. So yeah, anyways different rules for the cage matches that used to be so it was a way for you to get out of a match without having to do a job check blow a feud off, right? So sorry everybody had you out. Oh my God, so you're talking about the the rules of the cage match and how you can kind of get around not doing a job. Yeah. That was what that was why they did cage matches like that. Where are you didn't get Right, right. So but we combine the two for this I combined the stipulation was I could Kane he had to pin me that's that's only way he could win the cage match, but I could also win by escaping the cage and my feet touching the ground gotta okay? Yeah, so that way we did some really cool false finishers to where I'm climbing out over the top and Kane climbs out the door and and get and meets me as I'm climbing down and I land on his shoulders and he grabs me and he brings me back to the door and tells me oh interesting. Okay. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, and they did a pretty good job of explaining the rules during the match. Mmm and ya know we did some watch him. Yeah, I hit him with the I didn't want my finish in a chair and different things. I just remember. Oh, yeah, we I handcuffed him. Yeah, he handcuffed him. He broke the handcuffs. I think so when you're re watching your stuff. Can you remember what's going through your mind? Like right now watching what you're doing here at can you recall like what you're thinking at the moment with this chair? Oh my God, this is so bad you guys. Yeah, I don't want to ask him how these chair shots fault goddamn. It was so bad. But yeah. So anyways, where was I? Yeah, he gave me the eventually when he turned me back and he climbed to the top of the cage and he gave me the instead of off the top rope. He gave me the big flying clothesline his signature clothes on sure off the top of the cage and then it's me what A tombstone are like that was perfect. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That's awesome. Wow, I hadn't turned on. Get sorry The X Factor. Oh, I hadn't stole her from him yet interesting. So oh shit. So this is where this is where I'm a little confused. When I remember he was is when I turned on him, that's when I when I took her but actually I turned on him and then you guys had a little bit of a program you'd and then then he got the girlfriend and then I took the oh my God, I'm sorry everybody. How are you? Buddy. All right. Okay. Oh my God, I can't believe I remembered that wrong after being concussed a thousand times in my life. So yeah. All right. So how in terms of your singles feared do you like how everything played out or do you wish you guys would have had that singles singles match head-to-head WrestleMania. Both of you instead of having it be a tag team, huh? It was We didn't have the blow-up. I wanted I would have liked sure but we got a lot out of it like by the time it a drug on a little bit too long. And and I did want I did want to have this big blow off match with him at Mania right and they wanted me to work with Jericho. I see and I wanted to have this big like exploding by fire like, you know, He's Deathmatch fire. Shy explosions. Like I wanted to die. My vision was this kind of a match where he beats me in. Yeah, because it was the Fire theme, right? Exactly and by that time yeah, you guys would already used Fireballs you guys had already done a cage. Where do you go from there except for a big kind of gimmick blow off? Yeah. So yeah wish that could happen and it didn't but still yeah it was I look at this and I'm Proud of that whole thing. Yeah. It's to have a meaning fuel remaining fuel meaningful successful, you know Feud like that with you know, somebody my size, you know that came the character like Kane sure. I'm pretty proud of that. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it's it was a great story all the way, you know, because it was built it like even after I was gone for a while and came back and They brought the NWO n and you know, then when I came back and you know cracked Hogan over to have it the chair, you know, we became you know, this WL for a little bit. Mmm. There was that built-in storyline with Kane that we were able to capitalize on there. So we had a six man. The Scott Calvin and I versus Rock Hogan and Kane and I actually like is featured right they both Hogan and Hogan and rock both feature Kane and Kane at the and like once he gets his hands on me and place goes knots and he he beats me. You know, I get for the Bronco Buster. He catches me out of the Bronco Buster the chokeslam and so, you know anyways, so we got a lot of mileage out of this whole thing, you know. It was technically over and even to the point where Kane was in the gym and he was doing shrugs. And just a freakish accident like somebody did a lot he towards bicep really bad. So to finish everything off. We did a you know to put a button on it, you know, my soul it all up. Jumped him in the back and took his mask off and wears masks on TV for I don't know a couple weeks a month or whatever. Yeah, and that was it. Nice. That's awesome. Yeah, how do you feel like looking back at all of that? Really grateful because you know as much as Glenn says, you know how good that was for him and his career sing for me. You know, I was it's exactly what I'd there's me anyways, so yeah, it was great for me at the time. Yeah. You just have that that singles program. Like I was saying with a guy like Glenn, you know with that kind of character in that. Yeah, proud of it. Yeah, very proud of it. All right, I've said I'm proud of it enough. That's awesome. It's just I just my favorite and for so many reasons. I think we got like pro wrestling Illustrated Tag Team of the Year or something. I am maybe two years in a row. All right, cool. Let's go. Sorry. I like it. All right, what else that's about it what we have right now? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate everybody tune in for that. Yeah, everyone tune in everyone voting everyone. That's that's you know, sending out ideas for topics. It helps us a lot for sure my suggest going back and re watching the Kate episode. I'm going to repost that on Twitter or so that people can kind of go back and I think it would be a nice one to watch along with this year. So we get his perspective. a little Disturbed that I would like my memory failed me on like the Tory stuff and You know that that anyways, yeah. All right, that's fine. We got it covered. Alright guys, don't forget to subscribe youtube.com xpac Xbox One to 360 Show Twitter Instagram, make sure to check us out there as well, right everyone. We'll see you right here next week for did you already give yours a timeout? He's p.m. A Twitter Instagram, all that stuff. 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