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Ladies gentlemen, this is your action Over The Bachelorette here on AfterBuzz TV tonight. We're covering season 15 episode 10 and so much happened were going to be going over all of it. But first we need to introduce ourselves. I will be moderating tonight's wonderful show guys. My name is Jeff Graham. I'm so excited to be here. And on my left. I have the the interminable Christine Alexis. What's up guys? The reality infused Mike feeling. That's true. What's up guys? He's doing love Island as well. I just got done doing love Island. So I'm super warmed up on romance. Yes and be Vindicated Renee Ariel very accurate. I don't know if interminable is the right word. I think that is a good I think I can't be stopped. That sounds right? That's what I meant. That's how I feel. That's good. What I meant was that you are unstoppable. Okay. So are we guys were The Bachelorette panel? We are not only talking about the show tonight. We also have are tweeting for the right reason segment. We have some news that Christine will be bringing us and we just have to talk about this episode Renee. I'm gonna start with you because I just know that you have thoughts. Okay. Wow, what an adventure I would just like to say last what people thinking mad at me for hating Luke. Listen, I hear you. We all have our own Ian's but I fully stand by what I said and I think Luke is trash and I think this week proves exactly how manipulative and toxic I thought he has been literally all season if it and if you don't see that, I don't know what to tell you because that is really bad behavior. And if you have someone in your life that's doing that and you're like that's fine. It's not delete them unfriend them unfollow them all of them unblock them all the odds do all the uncie. I blocked them lock them. Oh, I feel like my mic's awfully. When should I wouldn't you want to block them out Tech difficulties difficulties? Yeah, just block that just bought Mike. What are your thoughts is Renee becomes a handyman technician over there you happy birthday Renee. Happy birthday your birthday on the show as well. Yes, that's so nice. Hey while I fix my mic you want you guys on Sing me? Happy birthday. We'll see what happens during the show. Wow. Maybe Jeff has a surprise. I'm not this was a great episode what I really Light it's fine the scratching in my ears. What I really liked was that we got the fence jump moment. And it delivered. Yeah versus the fence jump moment. That did not defend struck moment. Wow, totally delivers last season the not I not compare to this we've agreed weirdly the last couple of weeks, but this is where I draw the line with you if you don't That that fence from episode was literally everything. I don't know what to tell you. I like to I like this better. I like this better and it came earlier in the season two, like didn't I'm going because I'm gonna side with you Mike that I think this one had a slight Edge over Colton saw his shadow MIT. I thought it was dramatic AF but like this was like unbelievably satisfying. Oh, yeah. What I would say is this was like an overall better net positive for society and there's a there's been multiple moments in the last couple of Seasons where I've been Like this kind of trash you show that I love actually has some good things to say one of them was when kailen. However, we feel about her had her moment where she stood up and shed light on the issue of Campus is salt and this is we got Hannah on this beautiful feminist soapbox for 15 minutes speaking her truth. Yeah. It's so many issues at the way Luke handle this. I know we're going to focus on other things, but I'm sure that both of our conversation will be that moment. Just going back and forth. Sorry Jess going back and forth by which they liked better. Thank you guys. They got a hundred eighty three strong right now. We love you my love it seems Like people have opinions on both sides of the fence Renee go when we do get to the Luke date. I have so many thoughts on how she handled it what he was saying, but there's like obviously more to the episode given that was the best part of it. Let's not play around here. But I mean, you know, she did have three other dates because in the first time ever The Bachelorette kept for guys were van with this week's yeah wanted to test drivers worry cars and she could except for Tyler's car. He said over time is car which was on the garage talk about that Tyler the top quartile. It was an interesting move. You know, what though? Well, in fact, let's just go and start with how there's day. Let's mix it up today. I feel like that's where this that's where the spirits leading tonight. Keep it religious Tyler. So the first thing they do is they haven't written to O the massage msi's is graphic. Honestly there have been some hot and steamy moments this season, but this one genuinely felt like like a little bit of softcore porn. If I'm being honest, it was intense. He was basically like straddling her from the back on this massage table drenched in oil. It was just it was a lot. She's topless. I know she was it was a shocker. Yeah that she was supposed to go see my masseuse. That was a smooth move though. He just came over and you know Mike you can't expect him to not do it like you knew as soon as I stepped in there that he was going to be massaged her and making out at some point right not when she was. Topless that was a bit risque. It was I you know for yourself say I found a number of couples massage with my wife. I don't think she would like that move if I were to like sneak in replaced the masseuse and then all of a sudden it was just I mean, I don't know there was just something a little bit like especially for an unmarried couple a little bit like I don't know. Did you guys think there's something a little bit like a crow about it? All right. No problems. What I did it was it was literally that it was on camera. That's what felt the most uncomfortable about it. This was like a sexy thing happening. And if I like, okay is this where we should we go and they did and at one point producers threw a towel over her chest because at one point she turned over and they're like, this is ABC always be Cam and then they she was covered. Yeah. I don't know. We've seen her Mount guys over and over and over again. The season this is not been the most PG season in general. I don't know it just wasn't my gut reaction to it. I was like, yeah, that's massage. Of course. He's gonna go over and put some moves on her. It's this is like this like the date to do stuff. Right? Yeah, but this is the sex date. So when the SEC State literally stops starts off with you both half-naked in Rain drenched in oil on top of each other making it on a bed like Are not right that's more than hurt straddling a guy in a bench in a hotel with other guys in the other room. You know what I mean? Also like that was heels are worse for some reason to me. I don't know why because this is an intimate date their one-on-one. They're already half naked just because even if he never touched her they would have been the same have naked because it's a massage and it's just automatically said, I mean the masseuses didn't need to leave. It's automatically set up for him to go and do that. I just thought I said, oh, yeah, right like, This just seems like a natural progression especially on this kind of final kind of Dan you their relationship because she said they had no problem with physical intimacy. That's why like with them and their physical connection, but you realize there have been plenty of massage dates in Bachelor history and it's never gone down like that. But that was a very but also I'm saying it didn't feel like the typical ABC date like that was much more intimate than what we usually get on one-on-one, but would be a be in the chat is exactly correct and Colton and Hannah G were doing the same massage thing. Topless not topple know she did have a tiny bikini on but it was also it was also really explicit. Like that was the episode where Hannah I was like, whoa. Oh she came to play. Yeah, and I thought this was way more. I mean, he's not feeling her up while she was laying down and then she got on top of him and they definitely didn't show everything. I don't know why this is super surprising though. She's already naked bungee jumped with somebody else. Like that's what thrown by it the bungee jumping totally different. That's not a sexual thing. This was a sexual thing if you're naked rum, It up against somebody it's actually anything you become sad. I think the bunnies are in was a fun thing. That was the boy. This is the fundamental difference between men and women. I think it was happening right now. It's platonic you thought with Garrett that was a sexual thing. And our him it was yes Garrett. Did you see the way he makes out with her? Well, there's there's the I'm gonna look I feel like you can speak for men. There's very few men who if the girl is at least topless and those boobs are touching you it is going to be sexual is naked and you're naked and it's that's it. Okay well from the literally from Hannah she said it wasn't a sexual experience. She's lying to the other dudes because all the dudes were like wait you were naked it wasn't I think so. Is it Hannah did say that it was not a sexual experience, but she coming all the other guys Mike. She's been so on. The season you think that's what you would choose to lie about naked bungee jumping no get look at how Luke reacted when she said it wasn't sexual if she had said it was sexual all those dudes would've lost it we're gonna windmill tonight. Yeah, that's more of the highlight of Peters date and rather than we're talking about more time. I'm sorry. It's very clear that Hannah Tyler have great sexual chemistry. Oh, yeah the issue here though for Hannah. Is that she fears? That's all they They have this was an interesting. We seen this a couple times in The Bachelorette. It's our physical intimacy is great. I'm not sure if we have anything else and I kind of appreciate it Hannah's take on this because I've been saying that all season I don't dislike Tyler but to me, he's just been blowing hot air All Season. He has great lines and he says nice things but I don't know who he is. And I don't know if she does either so her ultimatum was if we want to make it tonight's fantasy suite is taka is only talking no touching. How did you guys feel about this game? Move as Mike would call it? Um, I mean, I just I don't I don't know that I believe that they didn't actually do anything the entire night. I mean, I know they made out but even still if her intention was to go into it to get to know more about him and make their connection stronger the morning after I didn't feel like she didn't come across to me like she got what she wanted out of the night if I agree I'm like, okay. So are you more in love with him now? We didn't really get that from her and her interview. So, I don't know if it really helped. Yeah, I fell for Tyler this episode because I thought Was such a gentleman and so respectful and whether it was like a move or not. I thought it was very sweet of him and I didn't expect him to be in well because yes, you should be like that. Of course that's like a certain but you just don't know what these guys on the show like depending on who it is. They wouldn't have reacted that way and he was so good about it and maybe like him so much and Christine and I were talking like honestly Tyler for bachelor. I could see it and you guys know I've been not that nice the Tyler I call them like base. Sick, and I said, I think it's because the bars here and I think so. He's like right above it, but truly I liked him this episode and I think she was hoping to spend the night with him and getting Clarity to send him home and I think she was like, oh no, I like him more now and that's why she was crying. Yeah. I thought it was strange. I just thought it was weird too specifically, you know, it's Fantasy Suites. She's been with him a bunch. Is she at least putting some of the blame on herself for not getting to know him? I just thought it was weird since Because she absolutely slept with the other two guys like it was like no problem and I guess just as a viewer, I don't see so much less of an intellectual connector that she hasn't gotten to know Tyler as much as the other two guys. I just thought it was really weird that she put it out there plus honestly, I mean go to the fantasy suite talk a bunch and she's obviously not She is obviously okay with sleeping with these guys. I would say talk and chat it up. But if you're attracted and you want to do it, like I don't think anything I think you is a lie. I sort of like she was almost testing Tyler. Like I know that it's care. Like I know that you're into me physically you've made that very clear to me. I need you to prove to me that you're interested me another way. So if we're gonna spend the night together, I need to put up this barrier. It's the opposite with Peter right where she's like, you're like a nice guy dad, but can you have sex with me twice in one night? I need to know that so it's I feel like Tyler and Peter. Two sides of the coin where she had a great emotional connection with one wanted to test the physical connection with Tyler. She knew she had a great physical connection want to test the emotional connection. Yeah. I think it's just that they're four different relationship. So she handled them differently. Also, I don't blame her for not getting to know him more. Literally. She interrogated him two dates ago trying to get deeper. Sometimes people just don't open up whether how many questions regardless of how many questions you ask them. Like, it's all about the connection how open somewhat is how honest they'll be like if you're talking about vulnerable things. I mean to be honest, especially guys typically have a harder time opening up because they think vulnerability is weakness and Tyler does seem to be honest like the type of guy that I think he talked about this a little bit and I could be mistaken about like not showing emotion having I'm if they've all talked about that they've had problems opening up but whatever so I don't blame her but I think she has such a strong physical connection to him and she wants to get to know more that she was trying to see if they would take it to that level in the fantasy suite and that didn't require We're as the other guys. It wasn't that she was like, oh, well, I just want to test the car. I genuinely think she reached that emotional level and that's just a form of intimacy. Like I don't want to by the way, I don't want such a man at all. I think he's had a great time this season. There was nothing wrong with having with her and Tyler. I'm just saying I was very sexy for ABC but good for her do what you need to do to find who you're going to spend the rest of your life with right or few months to that point though. Like I don't know what it is about Tyler that's gonna like put him over the edge for her because if they already have the physical intimacy and if you're going if we're going on your theory that they had a great conversation that night and now she's even more torn. It's like well, what else do you need? Like he's arguably pretty hot. Like I too gave him a hard time this season, but he's grown up me so much and I feel like he's the one who's really gone out of his way to show that he respects her. He's comforted her and Times of like when she was really feeling low. It's like well, what does he need to do? I don't know. I agree. It's interesting tomorrow Fuller who's in our chat off into it tomorrow. Good to see you. She says it Tyler gets where? Is it? Oh sorry. It's actually hope I love both you guys, but I'm actually gonna read hope cop hopes comment. She said I think she's scared because Tyler seems too good to be true. I feel like that's why she's more apprehensive and as he was leaving she almost seemed the most emotional about his exit and I went I think it's because she knows she's not picking him. Like I think it's that moment when she's like, I know you're great. I know you could be the one but I know you're not it I think in that moment. She knew she was saying goodbye kind of forever deep down that would make sense then if she was willing to sleep with the Other to knowing she was gonna send Tyler home. I guess I would make sense real quick. Shout out to Ivy Lynn in the chat for shouting out. My other shows saying Tyler is love Island material. Yeah, he would tear up on love Island. No problem. I also want to just quickly shut out tomorrow follow though because she keeps referring to sex as putting the car in the garage, which I just think is a Larry has ever seen that euphemism before and it's great. Okay, let's talk about Peter quickly. Did any of us see him being the windmill Bandit? I did not I Was dead. I know internet definitely led me to believe so shout out to everyone who tweets with are using our hashtag and just the bachelor in general because there were so many screenshots and people piecing things together that made it seem like it was dead, but I'm not I just like that he The Producers absolutely made sure they found a condom right off the bat. Yep, just like they found it in his car. Absolutely right off the bat. I think Peter was gypped. Like did you see everyone else's fantasy suite aside from day. What in a A windmill that that place did not have a see it was probably hot in there literally two rooms. Are you two waiting though? Where is the bathroom? It's not. Nobody is such a condom windmill. That was not she was fine. Just saying Jazz just fantasy suite literally had a pool I would have been in it. I will admit I would have been into that pool. Yeah, but if you want to compare that with Tyler's I'm sure like Pete has taken his fantasy suite every day. Well, he wasted no time. That's for sure. They definitely got busy. I personally felt like Hannah seemed a little unsatisfied the next morning. I disagree fair enough. Yeah. I think she was happy. Okay, I think the fact that he finally said he loved her it was really the Catalyst to like make that night go full steam. It's just like say it dude dance around it so hard it was very painfully awkward, but I think that's all they must've caught when he was like it'd be hard to imagine. She is something like this with somebody else. I tried three other guys, dude, come on, you know, it does it have a bad through everyone's acknowledging the importance of your question Renee, which is much appreciated nothing. I'm just saying, of course it does because they have Lighthouse Keeper. That's what they all say. Oh, no. Sorry. I held on 25 and as of today and I wake up in the middle of the night having to pee all the time. Imagine being with the guy. For the first time alone and you repeat and you're in a goddamn window and his like such a do you go it is pretty ratchet. It's very like guys so grouchy whoever says that's not there's a probably a bathroom in there. Listen. You don't think it has a bathroom. We saw the two rooms in it like that was used for actual purpose to Mill people worked in it. I'm sure there's a repeat outside maybe or maybe there's a hole in the floor. Also in DC correction, we just got the word chip is actually it's derived from Gypsy. Yeah, we will stop we don't know that I'm good for us to know. Okay, anything else nothing huge with Peter besides? I mean the boat the boat was hot, right? What do we think about Peter and Hannah anything else notable to talk about also the weight the boat was Tyler. Yeah. The boat was Tyler. Well, there are two boats. So Peter had the day boat Tyler had the night boats are did that night about all I could About with seasickness day boat with singer. Yeah, I could not do well on a night boat new problems for water, but I know more water than right any thoughts of Peter before we move on to Jet, which was also a very interesting one on one. Let's talk about Chad. Okay. So first of all, their date was like a Grecian family reunions, can someone catch me up on what happened here was like a barbecue. It was very strange some random like family party. I would be so mad if I knew that like one of my competitors got a Private yacht. Yeah, and I was stuck like attending a family a small wedding reception for a family. I didn't know specially when that woman was really grilling Hannah Hannah was like well, I'm still kind of trying to decide be like yo, I'm right here. We're on this date just you and me. Is that it and why are you talking this woman is talking her up about the other dudes. Basically I felt bad for him in that moment. Yeah, because they usually have people like it why one point in the season that like question the couple like one of the couples but this girl was like In for blood like she wanted answers and she's like, oh, it's not it's not the finale will tell me. Who are you going to pay? You don't know. How are you going to find out? It was very interesting. It looks so awkward nature. Whoever was like the millennial in that family was like front and center. This is it was a Debbie's Grecian aunt which it was I loved it. No, it was arguably a really boring date except for their conversation. That's where all the gems were dropped actually felt like Jed asked a lot of poignant questions to Hannah it. Is it sucks that it's coming from him? Because like it's Jedi all the T. That's out about him. But I did I did like their conversation. So it was interesting. Jed was had an existential crisis. This Grecian woman sets something off in him and he had to address the look situation, right then Jed in general had a lot of challenging conversations with Hannah. I think our opinion on Jed the way he handled this it kind of fluctuate it throughout the episode. I personally felt like the more he was Persistent with his disapproval of Luke the worse it got I feel like from to bring it up once I get that you're in a relationship from to bring it up twice. You're starting to push it man. Listen to the girl. You're dating the third time both Hannah and most of our panel was set off by the way. He was handling this right but that was bad right off the bat. Yeah to me. It was bad from the first time ranked 1 for you just don't understand the same thing why guys talk about any of the other guys on their dates? It's dumb just me just maintain super quick. I say just maintain your Should with her but also I just want to drop this in before we get too far into Jed's conversation. I can't see him do anything anymore. I'm not thinking of the girl specific quotes. I wrote down don't want to see her give attention to someone else like your girlfriend. I have a hard time. I saw you having a hard time letting go of things in your life. He didn't like his girlfriend's like I put like a everything he says I just I see same hell. Yeah. The one was he's like, I just don't know if I can trust you moving for ya. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was pretty bad. But I will say I think Jed was the only person this late in the game took who can get away with bringing it to her because although it upset her initially. She definitely came back and tried to like save the conversation. I think she really likes him and he gave her some cold hard truths like I wrote that I did like that. He said to her if you're this close to Forever. Why are you still holding on to something? So uncertain which I thought was valid but then literally in the same breath. That's when he started with makes me think you have a hard time letting go of what's not good for And then it kind of just spiraled into being something worse, but I think that she really does care for Jed the most right now and I think his opinion on what she does still holds a lot of weight because she was willing to kind of meet him in the middle and talk about it. Whereas when Luke expressed his disapproval for what her choices where she completely flipped out and didn't give him a chance anymore. You know what Jed just didn't want her to end up with a liar. Yeah cricket cricket Ripken. Yeah. I mean I the thing Jed had two angles on this one of them was like I don't want you to get hurt but the other one is like I don't want to marry someone who has bad judgment. Yeah, really? He's sort of I was like which one is it? Because one of these is very like selfless and one of these is kind of narcissistic and so it's weird to see him kind of shift between those two depending on what she wanted to hear was like he got serious with her then once he realized she was upset. He was like no what I meant was like, I don't want you to get hurt but so sick of this stop saying things you don't mean it's so annoying between Luke and Jedi. Obviously, I hate them both. But like literally they say something then look I know you're gonna send me home. I didn't mean that well, you said it stop saying things you don't mean I'm so over it and I truly yeah, the first one came from like seeing like it came from a selfless place, but it didn't because you don't have what stem this conversation was the fact that it went down to him and Luke and he thought that he was going to be picked. But I mean, that's the only reason this came from and this was an eagle charity. Like I don't it never came from a place of caring for Hannah. He's he who cares about Jed. God cares about Jed whether he likes Hannah Now isn't thinks he's in love with her now that guy's not in love with her. Maybe he's in fact with or whatever but to considering how he entered the show. I can't taken seriously and I don't think he should trust his own feelings based on the decisions. He's made I mean almost everybody who's commenting on it in the chat is saying that this was him trying to get sent home. Yeah that's business him pulling the ripcord. So interesting, that's a hot take I like that. What's interesting get it he could have gone full blown, but then he didn't. I mean you can also just leave I actually don't totally agree with you guys. I actually do think Jetts van pretty hard for Hannah at this point. I think he's clearly proven himself to be someone who has serious relationship issues. Right? Like I think he's someone who probably said the same things to Haley and maybe believe that he had fallen for her to he has commitment issues. But I actually I think he feels like he is deeply in love with Hannah and 80% of what he was saying to Hannah. I did feel like he thought was to try to protect her before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us. You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. I think he can also just leave I actually don't totally agree with you guys. I actually do think Judds falling pretty hard for hand at this point. I think he's clearly proven himself to be someone who has serious relationship issues. Right? Like I think he's someone who probably said the same things to Haley and maybe believe that he had fallen for her, too. Ooh, he has commitment issues. But I actually I think he feels like he is deeply in love with Hannah and 80% of what he was saying to Hannah. I did feel like he thought was to try to protect her. I don't know I didn't in his itm. He literally said it came down to me and Luke and I just you know, why would she like this is all coming from him. Not once they say, you know what I'm getting really worried because it's nearing the end of the process and Lucas still around and now you know Hannah he's dead though. Not that's enough. Down the second time but I'm telling you he corrected himself all big. Why don't I feel a little bit of both. I think your pride is definitely her as it should be when you're standing next to someone like Luke regardless of all the things we know about him. We're just judging in that moment. I think he was definitely grappling with his sense of Pride and being upset and caring about. Okay. Yeah, how can you try anything? He says they need like we're head is at right now. She's trusting it, but we're looking from the perspective of what we know at this point because we're watching him. I don't believe what he says because he's an Known liar what we know from him is that he's lied. It has manipulated woman before so why would I now believe that he has good intentions. He literally came on the show while having a girlfriend for music and now all of a sudden he does care about Hannah and not Jed when the whole reason he came on the show was for dead baby in the chat. Perfect. Comment. Jed was a shame that his mom told him. It's so true. It's so true. Well you either way it was interesting to watch a couple kind of navigate feelings in real time. That's one thing to show this. Sure has a tendency to edit the content out of the conversations. It'll have these long conversations are just like I just need you to tell me how you feel, but I can't tell me how you feel. So to actually hear feelings Quantified for like 15 minutes of the show is nice to hear Jed speak through what he was thinking and to hear Hannah speak there what she was thinking right? I'm curious what you guys think and what the chat things at this point at least or at any point. Do you guys think Jed ever expected his girlfriend to come out and for and for that to be made light? To everybody or do you think this entire time he was like, my secret is safe. Like everything's going to be fine. I don't know similarly to how he didn't handle the situation with Haley. I think he just didn't think that he would have to handle the situation. Yeah, if you got further along in the process, I don't think he thinks he thought it was just a own of a Mickey Mouse. He was too well either way Hannah forgave him pretty quickly. They went to their villa which had a pool that's pretty dope and they quickly shut the door move right to the bed and things got wild in Jed's words a little wild that next morning did seem very that seemed the most intimate to me. She seems satisfied. She seemed satisfied and the morning after faces. Yes, and their conversation was very sweet. Like it was very lovey-dovey. Yeah, our great looks like we do have to move on. She was sandwich I'd left but I think the way she looked at Judd leaving was he seems like someone I would pick in the way. She said goodbye to Tyler leaving was like I hate that I have to say goodbye to him. That's sort of how I read both of those goodbyes Okay, Tyler. Well, I don't even know where to start with this Luke Luke. I'm sorry Luke. I think this every episode, you know, someone's name wrong. We're talking about Luke P the dates find we even have to talk about it take a helicopter, whatever whatever whatever. He was the best kisser know what she jumping I guess had a standard for kissing is does he? To eat my face. He just like Lily did her face I want it was the weirdest at it because she's like he is the best kisser tells her it was like I was watching stranger things season 3 got chicken seasoned. No spoilers. No spoilers. Okay by far more importantly that any of this is they go to dinner. They could not have asked for better weather for this scene. First of all this great stuff Luke starts by talking to you. So, you know, I love you, but now I want to talk about what I want because What I want matters a lot. What did he say exactly? I want it the way I want it and let's talk about sex and is excited at first. Yeah. She likes to talk about. Yes. She's sexual person, which is fine. Yeah. I thought that was really important that as soon as he says she was like, yeah, and then I was like Luke, I know you're going off a cliff right now. She's so many quotes here. But basically what he told her is if you've had sex with one or more of these guys, I am not interested in being your husband. Yep. Yeah, and hey, A gave us a 12 minute monologue, but you might have misunderstood him. I don't think that's what he said, right? That's not exactly what kind of punch him in his actual face for that because there was no way he could try and say he was misquoted like you guys he's literally been doing this all season. This was just the picture-perfect moment of that and it's like Hannah finally just the light bulb went off and I was like, oh my God, like literally this whole thing of her doing this was such a mood because this was me all season of my God. Why don't you get it like And she finally got it. I know in the chat from even before we got started. A lot of people were on the fence about how she handled it. I mean do you guys think also do you think it was still satisfying even though we saw this moment many times over that premium because we did wonderfully saw her full reaction and a lot of it totally like you're saying is a yes, my like finally finally finally he's kind of getting it. Yeah. I mean, it's there was just quote after quote of poetry from Hannah. I was so impressed. I mean As much as we complain about her ability to articulate this was the most articulate. She's ever been. I was like thank God for all this pageant training finally paying off. She had all these amazing sound bites. Shoot what you say really in my heart over and over again. You made me break my own heart for caring about you. You showed me all these red flags. I finally have Clarity I was like, this could not have been better for the producers this moment this Redemption Arc for Hannah. Yeah, this one I mean, this was like good TV, right? It was great and I loved the line she threw about the fact that that he did so many other things that would have made him ineligible to be her husband. She looked past like that was like the perfect thing to add in there because she totally flipped it on him like, you know throwing in the Bible verses like he without the first stone or sorry. I'm totally butchering it was without sin cast the first stone. I was just oh my God, you're holding your stone. Yeah. I think she did a great job. She said pretty much everything. The only thing I wish she added was that how he gaslights and manipulates but aside from that He did a really good job. However, I'd like to point something out that I really noticed this episode that goes off her pageant training. Do you realize that Hannah doesn't react to things the way normal people do where you're like. Hey if you're like, hey Rene, you're stupid and I'd be like Hannah would go. That really upset me like so take a moment. She always takes a moment cause every time I'm like, what is she feeling for the first like five seconds and then she'll be pissed like with a conversation with Jed even with the thing with Luke it took her a few second minute. I'm mad about this. Yeah, like process what she's thinking and I'm gonna throw it to the chat. Do you guys like that or do you think it's more disingenuous? Do you think it's good? Because she's like thinking through before she acts. What do you think because I can't do that like the pot like totally turn off and pause before I emotionally Respond to something. Yeah, that's not a skill that I personally have I'm way too quickly. But as someone who's giving her a lot of shit for mumbling over her words and maybe not handling things properly. I'm okay with her taking a beat to kind of gather herself being that she is the lead especially if it's going to deliver like this. Yeah, especially in this instance where she was not expecting him to say that it's celebrity holier than now didn't even acknowledge like like I've hooked up with a lot of girls, but for the last three years my saving my virginity for me and it also we talked about this a lot on Married at First Sight because there's a virgin on their saving herself for I guess now her marriage but if he is going a really really religious way with this to me his potential life making out with these guys all over the place right and topless and this and that and she's very kind of sexual. Free kind of person wouldn't that be how did he not see that? That's that's a racist range is like however, we feel about sex and our own personal lives. He's allowed to want to marry the person he wants but for sure for him to have such an inaccurate picture of who she was after spending all this time shows what a self-centered person he was he just handled everything here wrong. Yeah, like there's a version of this that where you say, you know, I've got to be honest. I feel insecure about the fact that you're sleeping with other men or you know, there's a way but that's not what it was for. I know it wasn't this was a way to control her. Whereas. Yeah, he did get flags that she would she's a sexually free. I mean I have in red flags, but for him his own red flags, whatever that she's more sexually free and he probably knew that she would want to have sex or do something in these fantasy suite. So he uses as a controlling manipulative tactics like get be like, oh, well, I'll leave if if I you do and then when he realizes that wasn't working that's why he retracted and was like, I won't leave will work through it. It was just it was strange. To have such intense blinders up all season and create a picture of Hannah that was just never there. It's interesting. I kind of grew up in this culture where there's like this spiritual male leadership culture, but this is a classic example of someone who like takes that like leadership Authority that like the Bible talks about and just pushes it way too far and misunderstands what it means. He wasn't listening to Hannah. He never even considered apologizing. He was actively hurting someone and wasn't able to apologize. That's one of the biggest red flags. I think if you're with someone who isn't able to see that you're hurting hurting and say you're sorry. That's just he he needed to go absolutely and he's totally misconstruing Christianity here because we're all sinners in the eyes of God, but he washes our sins away not to get to like religious here. So it's like you're not even practicing with your preaching you're going to continue to hold her sins against her and act like your holier-than-thou. It just it's a very weird position to take this especially I missed it. Whoever put it in the chat. I'm so sorry if I can get back to it really quick Avalon Park Avalon Park, that's right, but wait, Kids reacting now and really summoning this religious stuff when he was the first one to take a shirt off and start making out with her back at the house and it was episode 1 right? It's okay when he doesn't such a conundrum in contradiction, it makes no sense. That's just that's just literally awesome than you guys. He's just been a hypocrite all season. This has been him all season. I'm glad that it was so blatantly obvious tonight and that Hannah realize it also. Thank you ABC for doing this on my birthday whether you I knew it or not. Thank you birthday days. There's an add a door is opening. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear and a happy birthday to you is our birthday cake. Yeah, so there. Birthday cake bites counts, I'd make a wish but my wish already came true all that head at what it was for Luke to go home guys. Perfect birthday gift to you in return. All right, we are going to go to come on it's time it's time and then the favorite line that we didn't even mention yet before. I leave can I pray over you? Oh, that was awesome bad. How else can he go out mean? I miss that. He said that's what he said. Can I pray over you before I go really guys all the Christianity like he was like, all right. I'm dying on this sword right here. This was definitely a boy. This was an L for American Christianity tonight. Unfortunately, okay. Can we I think we should go quick the quickest news ever quickest news ever kissed Chris Jericho seen that we gotta get our way out of here so Peters ex-girlfriend, her name is Kaylee Lutz. She came Gordon said that he dumped her months before the show. We have a picture up right now. It's an ETA exclusive of Peter and Kaylee. They were at a Halloween party together. This is another photo up of them vacationing in Switzerland, which they went to within the five months band that they were dating. So they apparently got really serious and right before Christmas four months before filming he broke up with her and now she's come forward because she feels like he's being disingenuous on the show and she wants to just call attention to it, but III think that this This is any worse than what Jed did with his girlfriend. I don't think it's worse. I think its a I mean we weren't there in the relationship. So I don't know if like maybe there he was already feeling something or if you literally dumped her just to go on the show. I will say he did break up with her before going on the show. Maybe he wasn't feeling it like that to be honest. I can't totally on him until I have more details. Where's Jed like you got to break up with someone before getting engaged to someone else and also not promise to come back to them in that way. I think what Jed It was arguably worse. You guys can go to ET online to check out more details about it. Peter did some shady things like completely scrubbing any trace of this girlfriend the day after they broke up and also heater following a bachelor producer the same day. There's more details up there. That'll kind of maybe change your mind on this. I'll be curious to know what you guys think let us know in the comments. She bought Peter the condoms. It all depends on when he applied. It was accepted to the show. You guys was 600 of you. Make sure just give us a thumbs up. Right now come on. Sooner on the timeline that I don't know how to work how to work YouTube. This is she was a thumbs up. I'm going to kindly ask our listeners to hop on iTunes and give us those five stars. I'll keep it quick but it helps us so much you guys and we will review reviews on are you could be your social Handles in there and we will read them and it clicked waiting for we got clearance to do a quick quick tweet. So I got the first one it's a Mean Girls reference. You guys know that the gym teacher from Mean Girls who talks about not having sex they put Luke's face on it says don't have sex because you won't get pregnant and die hashtag The Bachelorette coal, which one's next. We're waiting. Oh my sweet from Rachel at Rondo three girl. It's Jesus walking into the men tell all to defend Hannah having sex with him from America's Next Top Model. It's great. This is mine Hannah saying my husband would never say what you said to me and then Bachelor Nation saying is it cool if your husband has a girlfriend and this last one is mine is from a wise Twitter user named at Renee are real. Isn't she smart? I have told you these emotions smart call Young for humility. If it wasn't your birthday, it's your birthday. So I'm gonna give you that one. All right, guys, we got here fast. We thank you so much for tuning in. This has been the best production show here on AfterBuzz TV today. We covered season 15 episode 10. We will be covering the rest of the season. We got cement Allah. We got some AFR and we got a winner coming up soon. Maybe guys, my name is Jeff Graham. Thank you for tuning in. You can find me on Twitter at Jeffrey see Graham or Instagram at Jeffrey. Crane Graham. Follow me. Thanks so much for tuning in tonight guys on Christine Alexis. You can find me on Twitter. At Christine being and on Instagram at Christine. I Alexis guys. I might be like, thanks so much for hanging out. It's in the chat you all rock. Also 700 of you. You can find me everywhere at my feeling and you guys I'm running a real. Thank you so much for the birthday wishes. So at the chat that was super sweet. 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Wild episode. Jed did us dirty, but Luke may have done us dirtier. BUT, was Hannah's monologue the best speech in Bachelorette history? Let us know! Join Jeff Graham, Christine Alexis, Michael Thieling, and Birthday-Renee-ne Ariel to discuss episode 10 of the 15th episode of The Bachelorette. The Bachelorette After Show: Which of the men will get the final rose? On THE BACHELORETTE AFTER SHOW we’ll fill you in on everything that happens on and off camera on the hit ABC series. Plus be bringing your favorite cast members our panel. Tune in for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes’ group dates, one on one dates, the squabbles and fights AND bonus off-season content like news updates happening in Bachelor nation. ABOUT THE BACHELORETTE: Becca Kufrin believed she had found love with Arie Luyendyk Jr. on "The Bachelor," but when the race car driver changed his mind and broke her heart so he could reunite with runner-up Lauren Burnham, the humble girl next door from Minnesota resolved not to let the heart-wrenching breakup hold her back. When the 27-year-old publicist isn't making a splash at the boutique public relations agency where she works or planning her next overseas trip, she can be found at home hosting dinner parties for her friends. She hopes to find a man who shares her firm set of Midwest values and who is actually ready to commit to her on her terms. 