Like Herbie. Hi, Sarah, welcome to gloss Angeles brought to you by hum nutrition hum nutrition was created out of a need to heal the skin from the inside out sign on to how nutrition.com we're registered dietitians help supplement your personal wellness and Beauty goals. You can even take a three-minute quiz and get mashed with a personal dietitian who will match you with your ideal supplement and give you a detailed nutrition report or check out the best selling red carpet. I meant for glowing skin and hair or skin Heroes pre and probiotics to maintain the health of your gut and skin all on hum nutrition.com. All right, let's talk about beauty news UT news. Okay, so we only have one story for beauty news. See big juicy one. Yeah, and that's drunk elephant has been acquired by shado for 845 million dollars. Holy Lord. Jesus way to go. She said, oh, yeah, I mean every day Else have any Masterson? Holy God. Like is this the biggest acquisition ever? Like no because it is not Mannix was 1.2 billion. Yes, which I was reading the Forbes article and it said that drunk elephant was hoping to be valued at like around that but at it says but even at 845 million dollars, the implied valuation is more than eight times sales making the drunk elephant acquisition one of the biggest ever. Were for a skincare brand. Yeah. So for skincare, it's definitely the biggest huge massive. I mean, I've been making this joke on Instagram but drunk elephant is now Rich elephant. Yeah, and as mad as Hannah DM to me she was like that drunk elephant is sipping on crystal now. Yeah, seriously like top shelf. Yeah top shelf drunk. Here we go. So I think by a lot of people are a little bit wary of this acquisition, obviously. Well, of course because drunk elephant is cruelty free shado. The parent company is not junk elephant actually just acquired leaping bunny status. I think in February and in my opinion, I think leaping bunny is probably the most respectable cruelty free option. They have all they go through their more Discerning when it comes to who applies to be a part of the program and and so then do they take it back? Now, okay. No, so they're still cruelty free and this that's a great question because I think that's what a lot of people think. Yeah, like they're like, oh great. Now they're going to test on animals. Yep, my to go twos when it comes to being cruelty-free are Tashina Combs from logical Harmony and cruelty-free kitty, they're both cruelty free blogs and they are a wealth of knowledge for you know, what constitutes its cruelty for you're not I spoke with both of them. The wet and wild situation happened if you guys remember earlier this year cruelty-free Kitty actually broke the news that she'd been sitting on for a while that wet and wild was selling in China, which is a huge Nono because and this will get to the drunk I'll appoint selling in China is literally like the one thing you can't do to maintain cruelty free Status. It's why so many Brands don't don't yes and like when ours started selling in China people lost They're shit after shit because like and I love Nars, but Nars came out and said we don't personally test on animals, which is great. But you sell right in a market that requires animal testing. Therefore you do test on animals. Like I think that it is kind of a BS thing for Brands to say we don't test on animals, but we do sell here where the regulations require it. Yeah, because obviously China is a huge market and so it's a huge Market. I seriously thinking of money. Yep, and I see why it's lucrative, right? I get it but it's yeah unfortunate when a brand like drunk elephant. Well, we're not saying that they aren't going to be cruelty-free any longer I cut you off. No, it's good. It's just concerning. Yeah, it's concerning and I think there's a rightful concern. Now, a lot of people asked and Tiffany Masterson who created drunk elephant. Who by the way, she's going to pocket a hundred twenty million from this just going to see ya and BD she's gonna stay on as Chief creative officer and president. So she's still going to be actively involved in the brand people asked her does this mean you're no longer cruelty? Free and she said no we are still cruelty free. We are not selling in China. We wouldn't have done this if our morals and ethics didn't align and and that makes sense because she's shado while not cruelty free like they had Brands like Nars and Laura Mercier and create a pojo that sell in China. They also represent Brands like Bare Minerals and Buxom who they remain cruelty free and they do not sell in China. So if you're ever wondering like it is such a confusing topic. I feel like we could have a whole Episode devoted to it. But if you sell through e-commerce to China that's different than selling in store in China basically, like what I'm gathering and maybe I'm wrong about this and I would love to have it like a true expert come on. But if you agree to sell in China in the China Market, you have to test the product on animals because that's what they regulate like, that's like how you would even get into the store to make sure that it won't be harmful to people and then if they have any like recalls or something happens with the product that they're a little little suspicious of that's when it also might be tested on animals and you can actually sell in China and still be cruelty-free be a part of this program but not a lot of people are a part of it. So I wrote about this when the wet and wild thing happened and to be sold in China and be cruelty-free. The only options are to be sold online or to be sold as part of a pilot program through cruelty free international and so cruelty free international. All is it big like cruelty-free organization? And this pilot program includes six Beauty Brands that they're selling in China that are cruelty free and are going to maintain cruelty free Status. However, it's not like every Beauty brand can be a part of that. Like I think China is trying to Veer away from animal testing but like they're not there yet. Yeah, which is why so many people that want to stay cruelty-free are so adamant. Like do you sell in China? Yeah. I honestly like I love what And wild I think they make great products for their price point but I try to get to the bottom of this and they didn't give me an answer. Yeah, I was like why like, how are you guys selling is this act? Is this like legitimately Wet n Wild or is it just some like fake know it was like a whole, you know, Gondola a product being sold in this huge store in China. So clearly they're aware of it. I think what a wild if you'd like to get in touch with us. We would love to have you so you can like clear the air on this but there was never a definitive. Yes. We're selling in China are know. Not selling in China and I think that as a customer myself and somebody in the beauty industry being forthcoming with information is way better than avoiding the issue. Totally. I love it. Tiffany came right out and said, you know, we are acquired by a company that doesn't practice the same like things as us, but that's one thing we're keeping. Yeah, I think another concern for obvious reason it obvious reasons is like when a smaller brand that it gets to be, you know, super Hands-On with the formulation. Russians and you know, you're really get to be very Innovative with the products that you're creating and I think you know Kirby and I know when smaller Indie Beauty Brands they can be more apt in like creating products like quicker. Whereas if you you know are acquired by a big company those things take longer. There's a lot more, you know that has to do with the approval process. So and then also formulation. Oh my God formulation changes. Yes. So actually the only thing I'm scared about right what's because like obviously like cruelty. That would be a huge huge bummer and a huge loss for so many of their customers, but the formulation is I think what set dumped elephant apart from so many of its competitors and why people fell in love with the brand and so I think that that is something that they're going to really have to prove to their customers that they can still stick to the same formulation. Yeah, because I mean we've seen it time and time again Brands get acquired by huge conglomerates and then changes chick change it ever in stock up on your trunk. Listen, we're going to be responsible for everybody. Purchasing. Yeah drunk elephant out the Wazoo know, I truly hope it doesn't affect the formulations to be determined. We don't know right but we've I mean I've experienced it where I'm like, wow, this palette sucks. Yeah. Yeah or when you know, you are one of a handful of other brands, you know, you're not really getting the same sort of attention or whatever. It's not a priority. And so then you know, you can feel that in the quality of the products or whatever. No love though that they were acquired by shado. Yeah. No because I do love majority. If not, all of the brands that are under the Shiseido family. So but yeah, it's just kind of I mean that was a huge shock but congratulations side note from that Forbes article. Yeah. It says that beauty 500 billion dollar industry. This is why we have so many shitty Beauty Brands people. It's too much. It's too much money. Nobody. No one industry should Could have that much wealth truly. Yeah. No one man should have all this power. No one from Kane like Pops in my head and I said that but it's true. It's like like I was joking with Sarah when we were talking about this before we started recording and it's like we need to create a beauty brand because it's just like that's what people think they're like, oh by hundred billion. How do we get in on this? That's why there's so many celebrity brand so many influencer brand. There's this is why there is not enough. Vacation in the beauty industry. This is why like when we get psyched about a skincare brand or a makeup product. It's because it's Innovative and not because it's just like another thing coming out totally cool. Okay, so we have a great guest this week. Carrie Strom is a senior vice president of Allergan u.s. Medical Esthetics. She leads the only all-female leadership team in the aesthetic injectables category overseeing several iconic and best-selling Brands, including botox cosmetic and Juvederm collection of fillers. In addition to her leadership role at Allergan Kerry is also on the board of the Orange County chapter of the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation and is passionate about mentoring young female professionals both within Allergan and through outside organizations, please welcome Carrie to the Pod. Okay. I feel like you're a walking billboard for Allergan and for Botox not that you look like you have it done but like your skin is so beautiful. You have great texture. I mean, I'm a fan come on. Not so much. I love you. You're like tell me more, please. Thank you so much for coming. We're like, I mean we've been wanting to do a podcast on Botox and I think a lot of our listeners have so many questions and like who better than to answer those questions and you thank you very much for having me. I'm excited to answer all your questions and your listeners as well. Yeah, of course and you know your I love that you love to give back to women too and it's breast cancer awareness month. So this is Extreme probably extremely special time for you right now. Working in the on the chapter. Yes October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. It's very important to Allergan as a part of our Aesthetics portfolio. We have the natural breast implant and tissue expander line. Oh, wow. So neutral breast implants are used for women who want to have cosmetic breast augmentation, but also importantly for women who have had mastectomy xanda need a breast reconstruction. Our devices are very important part of their Journey back to kind of getting their body back and there their whole selves After cancer, and so it's very important to celebrate breast cancer awareness month for allergy. And then also I do sit on the board of Susan G Komen and so it's an important month for us for Fund Raising awareness and education. That's fabulous. That's incredible. That is incred. How do you have the time to do it? I wonder exactly let's figure the let's like take some luck. Yeah. It's from Keri. Honestly, I'd be up a task. Always. She's like I sleep one hour a night. Yeah, and that's totally okay. So I think it's time for What's on our phaser what's on your face? What face also? Okay, great. Where do you want to start or do you want us to give you a little example of how it goes? I'll take a stab. Yes, I travel a lot and airports while of Mac makeup because it's an every airport and I picked up a new hot pink Mac lip gloss. I'm loving right now. Do you know the name of it by chance? Well put it in that know. We'll put it in the show now. Yeah, we'll figure it out. Awesome. I'm a Mac fan I am to who is it glass? Yeah, and like you said that's like they're in every airport. So if you forget it at home, you can lift like pick it up. Exactly. So convenient. They need one of my favorite mascaras to it's the one that it's like big bat big bad lash big bad. I don't know but it's a double mascara. So there's like the normal lid that you twist off and then you have the applicator and then on top of that lid as an even smaller applicator that you can twist off to get like the inner corners of your eyes and I Like to use it to tight line to because you can get because the brush is so small. You can get really really close to your lash line. Okay? Yeah, what else is on your face? Oh what's on my face? So I actually have no makeup on currently because I'm shooting a Halloween tutorial and a few hours so have to be fresh-faced. But I do have on skincare obvi and one product that I've been loving for probably the past couple of months. I've been testing it out is bliss glow and hydrate day face serum you can get it. Target is $22. It has nice in amide in the hyaluronic acid as well. We all know what hyaluronic acid is and how it works. It's in filler, which is amazing, which will love that tie in. Yeah, how are you Nick wey, wow fabulous, but what I like about it is you can wear it during the day and it helps kind of like blur imperfections. So if you feel like your pores are looking too big or you know, maybe you're breaking out a little bit nice and MIT is a really great ingredient for Take outs and it's super lightweight. So I feel like in the morning. I love to go crazy with serums. But sometimes they can pill depending on like what order you put them in and what's in them. I can always apply this first and then I never worry about pulling with anything else. I put on top. I love that especially in the morning when you're in a rush and you're trying to do your skincare. You don't have time to wait like you do in the evening. Yeah, exactly. It's a little less luxurious in the morning, right and it's cruelty free and vegan. So awesome. Love Bliss. Of that. Okay. Well, I'm wearing not that anyone's asking but I'm going to talk about what's on your face Sarah. So I got the new Kylie lip kit, which I didn't even usually they don't send me stuff which is really surprising that I got it Sarah. This is a big day. I know and I know you've never tried it. So I'm going to give you like they sent me for so you get to pick one color, please or you can share this one with me. Oh my God, it's her new Kylie Jenner lip blush. So it's a new formula of a matte lip. So it's a little bit more of a sheer Matt wash. I mean it's buildable. Obviously. I like a bold lip, but I really like how it feels it's comfortable and it doesn't look as drying right as her other matte lips. Okay? Wait, I so I think I might love this versus her other lip kits because usually they're super matte. Yeah. I feel like they look cracked and exactly and my lips like when I smile you can see like my skin totally, you know what I'm talking about. Like there's a clear line from like the dryness and the wetness of my lip. Yeah. I feel like this would blur Little bit more exactly. I think that's why she's calling it a little wash. Do you think that it's kind of like the clay Cosmetics lip powderly? I think that that's very trendy right now. Okay, is that sort of like airbrushed lip, look where it's a little bit more comfortable than like the matte lips lipsticks from last year that were you know, super drying like you said, but this one is I'm blushing. Oh cute cute. Yeah, so I just put it on we'll see how long it lasts. But seriously, it's a big day that that Sara got the PR saying from Kylie. Yeah, I mean for a while we are like do does she even realize that digital Outlets exist, you know, but we're happy now yeah, are you okay? Well, I love what's on your face. Thank you. I love your face just in general. Let's talk about what's really in your face and my face. So if you have like my Instagram is basically we just talking about injectibles all day every day. I really love the Innovation that injectables. To the beauty industry and I was actually talking to somebody a couple of days ago about how why is it when we talk about our skin care routines, we don't include injectables. Like I think people are starting now to be like, oh, yeah, I get BOTOX and it's not a big deal. But remember when it first came it was like if you got Botox no one talked about it. It was it was like a kin to plastic surgery in a way don't you think so carry people were so scared to just admit that they They were getting this done. I don't know why we color our hair, right, you know and we didn't latch extension beginner eyebrows done. I feel like injectables are on the same level and so I was the last one out of my friends actually surprisingly to start, you know, dabbling into the injectables realm and I got one thing I was worried about was obviously looking like I got it done like that was the number one thing I also because I had I Surgery when I was little I had heard that sometimes depending on where they put Botox in your forehead it can cause like the speaking of the brow. We look like Spock or whatever and I had eye surgery when I was little and I'm like, I already have a really heavy eyelid. I don't even even need an even heavier one. So I was really concerned about who I was going to see and who were the best injectors and how to know all of those things and I guess throughout the years of really just starting to care about this part of my life. I've learned a lot and that's why we have care. Here carry is the person to answer all these questions. We actually put it up on our Instagram. What do you want to know about Botox? We're going to be answering a lot of y'all's questions, but I think we should take it back. So Sarah Jeremiah King as a whole. I'm opposite not opposite of Kirby, but in the sense that like I've never gotten Botox before so like a lot of our listeners. I have a lot of very introductory questions for you, which is great because like you said write what a lot of people are asking exactly so Botox is obviously not new. Can you explain how long it's been around and the research behind it? And actually one of our listeners wants to know specifically if it's chemically synthesized. So botox cosmetic has been around for 17 years. And in those 17 years, we have built the medical Esthetics market. So your point around injectables being thought of as surgery or as taboo. We have come a long way in those 17 years, right? Right. So in 17 years, we have gotten three indications for the product I can talk about what that means to have an indication or not. But botox cosmetic is FDA approved for use for moderate to severe forehead lines for your glabellar lines, which are like those elevens or those fur lines in between your eyes. And then also for the dreaded crow's feet and what that means is that we did the studies and the research and the work and got the FDA approval. That doctors are able to use those in those indications and we can do training and promotion and that area in the past 17 years. I would say that people thought that it was like something you should hide or it was stigmatized. We even had a campaign that said everybody will notice but nobody will know. Oh, I remember that. Yeah, that's so good. And so it was really toughing into that idea like you want to look your best, but you don't want anyone to know you got Botox. Ox or Juvederm and that's not the case anymore. Our latest campaign is really about owning it and being authentic and for botox cosmetic. It's called own your look. So, you know own your look and you can look like yourself but just with fewer lines and that Taps into the other objection that you all mentioned, which is something we hear all the time and the number one barrier to people getting botox cosmetic or Juvederm is a fear of an unnatural look. Yeah, so they're all like I want to try it. Don't want to look bad or crazy or you know like that celebrity. I saw that clearly got bad work totally. And so that is the number one barrier and that is why our campaign is called own your look you can look like yourself but with fewer lines and you have the trust of 17 years of experience with this product and what's really interesting about. Botox is botox cosmetic has her sister, which is Botox therapeutic Botox therapeutic means that Botox is not just used for cosmetic uses, but it has As 10 soon-to-be 11 therapeutic indications and then there's 30 years of evidence to experience there. Okay. Yeah, so that's so dr. Jessica. Whoo. She is an Allergan approved injector and has been working with you guys for a while and she's actually the person when I first interviewed an expert about Botox that said this isn't something that we just like popped up like five years ago we decided okay, we're gonna start putting in people's faces. Allergan is a company that has all this backing and Behind it. They have to be FDA approved because Botox is technically a drug. Like you can't just go and pick it up and do it yourself and she was like, but there's been 30 years of therapeutic indications for it. Right right exactly in all sorts of areas, like overactive bladder for spasticity for it's a neurologic condition after some days maybe had a stroke for chronic migraine and we're studying it for even more indicate indications, which some of them are just so fascinating like atrial fibrillation. No, it's not and so for somebody who's had open heart surgery and they're having an atrial fibrillation. Botox will be injected there. Wow, and then the most recent which I'm so proud of to work at Allergan a company that got Botox approved for children for Pediatrics best to cities. So as young as two years old, some of these kids are getting doses that are 10 times what an adult would get for cosmetic use and it helps them if they've had cerebral but they have cerebral palsy and they have a stiffness in their joints in there. Upper Limbs and soon to be an indication of their lower limbs. This can really be an important therapy for them and their parents and their caregivers. That's amazing. That's really so you covered most of the on label cause are all the on label cosmetic uses. Can you explain what on label is you kind of said it but just in laymen's terms, I think people are going to be like, wait. What? Yeah, what does it mean label? Right? So what areas is it approved to be on label and with his own label mean? Yes. Great questions. So Health Care Providers and doctors can use their discretion to use approved products. However, they see fit and that is common that they do that when it comes to neurotoxins like botox cosmetic botox cosmetic is approved in those three areas the forehead the glabellar lines and the crow's feet and no other approved toxin has all three of those indications. So we're very proud and happy that we have more than anyone else and what that means is that we did the work and the research and development in the clinical. At ease submitted to the FDA had the FDA review and they gave us those approvals. They said yes Allergan, you can promote and trained doctors and Healthcare Providers on using your product on the safe and effective use of those three areas. Now, that doesn't mean that doctors might not use it. In other areas. It just means that Allergan isn't going to provide training or patient education in areas outside those three cosmetic areas and we are looking to get more. Indication. So right now we have those three in the upper face. We're looking to expand botox cosmetic use in the lower face with active clinical trials right now for the master. Yes. Sorry, which is literally like her jaw muscles were expanding so My face started to look like the shape of a trapezoid because it was like larger than my actual forehead. I love BOTOX for masseter, but I always specify now especially after spending time with Allergan team this past April. Okay, I'm telling you that I do this and that my injector who knows who's been working with all again for years knows how to do this, but it's not on label for the masseter muscle. So make sure you go to an expert that knows what they're doing so that you don't end up with any, you know, yeah counter indications. Anything like that, right? Exactly. Okay, that's perfect. Advice. The masseter many injectors will inject Botox cosmetic for the masseter muscles, but it's great that you just make sure you ask your injector with their experiences their and how they've been trained all it means that it's off label. It just means that Allergan isn't going to promote it or educate patients or doctors about it until we get that FDA approval. That's great. I love that. Yeah. Okay. So for newbie like me, how long is Botox supposed to last and do you have Tips for how often you should be getting it and how we can make it last longer. Yeah, so botox cosmetic last three to four months and so people who get treated with botox cosmetic. Oh, you know a couple times a year to keep it up and there's no real secret to making it last longer just go as often as you'd like and have the effect lasts as long as it works for you is like I said is about three to four months. Okay do okay. So I was actually talking to an injector. Out this and she was kind of like I don't know why people say this if you have a very active lifestyle and your you work out a lot or you sweat a lot a lot of people think oh, well my bear my Botox wears off more quickly because it metabolizes it more quickly. Is there any truth to that or are you guys like allowed to even like discuss that? Yeah. I've heard that to I've heard people say that they believe that they can a process through the product faster or slower. We don't have data to That one way or the other but I'd say everyone has their own experience with every product that they use and they should do what works for them. Yeah. I personally get it done twice a year. Yeah. I like I'll notice around like five and a half months Mike. Yep, that that you know 11 that I have going on is coming back. Like I can't and the 11 is right between your forehead guys just in obviously guys can't see me pointing to it. And I and what about you Carrie? How often do you get BOTOX done? Well, I'm very lucky because I have access to botox cosmetic. And fantastic injectors all the time. You are so lucky say I'm a regular. I'm like four times a year good for you girl. Okay. I want to know like who you go to and all that later. Well, yeah. I have a question for that. But yes, so here we have a listener Mia inkle. Is that how you think you say her handle and am IA l n CL is it l or II don't know. I don't know. I'm yeah. Hi Mia. So she wants to know for those of us who have never gotten Botox before. Or what does it feel like I think this is an interesting question. Yeah, because I'm sure I mean, I've never gotten it done, but I'm sure like, you know, we were talking earlier. It's very specific to you. Yes, exactly. Can you both describe what that's like, so do you want to talk about what it feels like when you get injected sure, so I'll talk for my personal experience and then also from you know, how we talk to our consumers and our patients and our friends and family is you go into the office and it Can take 10 minutes. It's a very simple in-office procedure. And of course you want to make sure you're going to a well-trained injector and it just feels like a bunch of just pinpricks then it's I think it's quite easy. It's the build-up is always worse than it actually is and you're in out of there in 10 minutes and then how it feels afterwards is once you feel a botox cosmetic kicking in it just feels pretty much the same to me. I don't even really notice it it The smoothing of the lines on my forehead and crows feet and glabellar lines. Don't really impact me or I don't know his notice much of a difference. I don't know about you Kirby. Yeah. I remember when I first got it done. I'm not afraid of needles so that wasn't a problem. Are you afraid of needles? I'm not. Okay. Yeah, so I know a lot of people are straight up just like yeah, I can't do it. I don't close my eyes though. Yeah, same I don't want to like see it one time. I did actually use a little mirror. So yeah, some people who like hold mirrors to see Like what's going on? Everybody did it first? I was like, I don't actually need to see the yeah, truly don't know but it just feels like pinpricks. It's super quick. Obviously a trained injectors key, which we have a question about this in a few minutes, but you don't want someone that just is like, oh great. I've seen five patients like let's like this is where you have consultations with your injector. And you ask how long have you been doing this? How long have you been in ministering this? You know, you want someone to be honest and upfront with you about you know, I think a lot of times consumers Go in and they might see something that they want fixed, but then they'll ask their injector. What do you think? I should get done and I don't think in any injector will specifically be like, well you could stand to use this this and this or get this in this this done, but you want someone that's going to be honest with you like, okay. Listen, if we put it in your forehead like I don't know if it's going to actually do anything for this or whatever it is, but it does not hurt. I think people think you're going to walk out in your face is going to be swollen or Liking or whatever or whatever and that's just not that's not it at all. It takes a couple of weeks to see the results of Botox, right? Yeah, I would say you could see results within a week or so. So it's not like you walk out instantly with the effect. I will also say there's really no down time to yeah, you could get it done at lunch and you leave no one would know anything and within a week you're going to see most of Europe benefit. That was actually a question. I don't know if it was a silly question or not. But is there a better time? Time during the day like an ideal time that you should be getting your Botox son morning evening. I've had some injectors advised that maybe don't work out for a few hours afterwards that does I think is injector by injector. So I don't think there's really any limitations in terms of what you eat or drink or do or don't do somebody is might want to take take it easy and for a few hours afterwards, that's up to them. Yeah leaping. Do you have to sleep like no. No, I mean if I Supposed to I failed I clearly failed. I love sleeping on my side. But yeah, I've gotten it done literally like midday and then like been to an event at night and no one knows you can't see any like marks like there's a lot of Instagram accounts now like like celeb Durham or cosmetic dermer. They just take pictures of celebrities and they're like all close-ups and they ask people what they think this person had done. I remember reading a few comments a couple of days ago on someone's that was like you can see her injection mark X from when she got Botox and like that's a poor. Yeah. First of all, like let's say you don't need you can't go like you don't notice when people have had it done which is what I really love about it. But yeah, and then I would say mine kicks in probably like seven to ten days later and it's not that you feel it. It's like ooh the botox kicked in it's like you try to Furrow your brow a little bit and you're like, oh wait. Oh, it's a little bit harder. It's something that you don't realize you've never felt that feeling until you have this. And totally you know what? I mean? Yeah, because obviously it's relax. Yeah, which is nice. I know when I have had it injected into my masseter, sometimes I'll go a little more often than I probably should so like if I'm yawning. I'm like, oh wow. This is a weird feeling because it's like keep it, you know, like I'm trying to open my mouth but it's so relaxed tight. It doesn't open up all the way and it's just funny because my oh, that's the botox like it's scary. Am I right? It's like it's hard to explain. Lane you're feeling right. I will look in my rearview mirror and I say up there it is. Yeah and then but it's so subtle. Yeah, you're really you're the only one who notices you just feel like you're smoother and fresher and and you're right just maybe it's that kind of feeling that goes along with it is very subtle. Exactly. Okay, so I want to talk about preventative Botox and whether or not you know, it actually prevents wrinkles from forming and if so, what age should you start? Bennett of Botox this is such people debate about this. Yeah all day every day. I think there's like thousands of articles online. Absolutely. What is preventative Botox is a real what age is like the ideal, you know, who's ideal candidate for young? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're hitting on the key point, which is not if you're going to get botox cosmetic. It's when you're going to get botox cosmetic and our label. So I mentioned you know, the FDA says what you're approved for says that adults says young as eight. Teen can start using the product according to our label and we are seeing that Trend come through a lot more. So traditionally the typical age of a botox cosmetic user is in her mid to late 40s and we've seen that just in the past year come down. So we're seeing that this trend is really bringing the average down in a lot of our promotions that were doing. We sell botox cosmetic gift cards. For instance. Wow more than half of them are being purchased by people younger than 40. Our best present ever. It's a gift that everyone loves its our web traffic to our botox cosmetic.com website majority of it is people younger than 40. So we are seeing that Trend come through. Wait. I have a question about this gift card so we can you hit team it. Yeah, like do you you can redeem it at any like Allergan approved injector. How does it work that botox cosmetic gift card that we have right now is buy it for $75 and it gets you a hundred dollars. Okay. Okay, so two hundred dollar gift card that basically you got $25 off on and it's used through our loyalty program which is called brilliant distinction. Okay. So if you're a brilliant distinctions member or if you aren't you buy the gift card and you register or you add it to your account and you can go to any any injector that's a part of Brilliant Distinctions, which is really almost all of our injectors and they will know how to how to use it for you. So it's like any loyalty program and you points you have you'll just take it to the office and they will cash it in. Oh, wow, so it's like Network that's what is that what Brilliant Distinctions is. It's like it gives you access to a provider Network Brilliant Distinctions is our consumer loyalty program. Okay. So think about your Starbucks app or your American Airlines loyalty program, it's like that but for medical Esthetics, it is by far the largest consumer loyalty program in medical Esthetics. We have six million members and it's a loyalty program that will reward loyalty that one set you to do more. So for instance if you have a certain number of points based on going for the Last year, you can redeem those points towards your next Botox treatment or Juvederm. Oh, this is a this is how are you not part of the Loyalty primary and even know about this point you could be collecting the terrible Botox function. How did I not know this? This is amazing. Yeah. Well make that six million in one when I say I'm gonna sign Sarah together whenever she's ready to go. We just rubber up in there. Perfect. Okay. So, let's see. What is the next? What are the myth? Yeah the myth. Okay, we this question popped up several times and it's once you start you can't stop. Is that a myth is that true in the terms of like once you start? Yeah, you can't stop because then your skin is you through it. That is a myth that I just started hearing recently. Yes, and it is a wide started that Island held miss. It was so interesting. Resting to me that that there's this fear that once you start using botox cosmetic, you can't ever stop because you look kind of like way worse than you did when you started and that isn't absolutely a myth. I'll shatter that myth right here the facts and the reality is that when botox cosmetic wears off within three or four months, you look just the way you did before. Yeah. So if you didn't like the way you looked before and you look like that after then yeah, you can't stop that. But but no, there's absolutely no kind of negative or detrimental. Are regressive effect to it. Yeah, I mean listen when I see myself without when it starts to wear off. I am like yeah. Oh, I do look worse, but it's like with any things like when I get my hair if my hair is not colored. I'm like God like I'm right or like you or you with your eyelash exactly. I like I don't know who I am exactly. Who is that black if you stop working out, you know, it's not yeah, you just look like you would without it. Such an I want to know who started that it is. Definitely someone that someone Iran time. Yeah, of course the deep dark web rub scary place, but on that same, you know know should we be worried about the effects of Botox long-term, you know, what will our faces look like 30 years from now after you know, what will my face look like in 30 years? Carry? That's what I want to know. I just want to make sure I don't go crazy with the Bobo but I do that this out also though like a real concern for people why they maybe haven't started getting it before is because they're worried that it hasn't been around long enough for us to know what all of our faces are going to look like when we're 70. Yeah or whatever. Yeah. So I think this is a time where the Heritage and the track record of a product that's been around a long time comes in handy. So and data of course is very important. And that's why we continue to pursue these new indications and do all these studies we have Most 5000 published studies for botox for cosmetic and therapeutic use and over 30 years. Like I said 17 of them being Cosmetics. So I think that that track record is very comforting and reassuring and we will continue to generate that data moving forward. Yeah, and maybe that's just people just don't know they're not aware that it has happened. You have all those studies that it has actually been around for 30 years. Yeah for the therapeutic use 30 years and we have injectors that have been Playing with these products for a very very long time, right and it's like, you know, it's called botox cosmetic, right so that the consumer understands. Okay. It's for the aesthetic right? But at the same time, I think that that can be a little confusing to people because then they think oh it's a cosmetic thing. It hasn't been around as long it's not as research like they don't realize like who Allergan is like the parent company and all of the information and and trials and clinicals and all these he's things that Allergan has done to make sure like getting up to you approved is not easy, even though I feel like the Cosmetics industry in general is super unregulated like botox cosmetic is a drug. That's why you have to go to a doctor to receive it. So that's why I like I think that's what I try to explain to people because I it's one of my most popular questions that I get asked about. You know, how does it feel like, how do I know? It's not going to mess up my face in the long run and things like that. So, you know, I think that obviously it's totally fine to be Questioning like you want to know what you're putting into your body and into your face, but I also think that with a little bit more research on the consumers and they will learn okay. This isn't something to just popped up out of nowhere like when Instagram got started. Yeah, you know what I mean? And so I've just kind of ties into your next question. Yeah, but there's always room to like pull back do less units, right? So if people maybe you know are maybe they had got too much Botox. Yeah. Let's Say and then there, you know that the traumatized them but truly that they can find someone else or they can just do less. Yes. Absolutely. So there's the product and there's the practitioner so everyone should should research their practitioner their injector based on what's important to them for instance. Ask questions about how many years of experience have you been using it? How many patients do you treat on a weekly monthly yearly basis? What is your board certification if that's important to you has a how have you been trained? So There are really important questions that you should ask based on what's important to you and botox cosmetic.com has a find a specialist tool so you can search in your ZIP code for for botox cosmetic injectors that are around you and to your point around the product I say that cuz exactly right. So for me personally, sometimes I want more movement in my forehead than others. Sometimes I want a more dramatic. Look sometimes I want a more natural look and you can calibrate that up or down depending on what's right for you and you know the discussion you have with your after I think one of the I mean I keep saying like I think this is a big question, but I feel like all of them where they are. Let's be real. I'm like, oh I get this many units my face then they're like, well, how many units should I get in my face? How much should I be paying and I'm like woman? I don't know. I don't know you and I don't know you and real life look and I don't even know for myself. I remember I went I see dr. Nancy Sam mellitus at fasil. She's a board certified dermatologist. And I also have seen nurse Jamie. I have seen Vanessa Lee from The the in the things we do who's great and you know, they all have years of experience doing this and I've asked each of them. You know, how many units of Botox do you think I need in you know, my like in between my forehead or to lift my brow or you know in my masseter and it has very each of them have has varied, but I also remember I talked to dr. Samuel lightest and I said I heard Add that you take your age and you double it. So if I'm 32 Carrie's rolling her eyes, she's like no so that sounds super scientific. Yeah, I know. She's so how old are you again? Okay, great. So I'm like, I'm 32. So I need 64 units of Botox and like, dr. Sam's like what like no same rumor started by the same Reddit user totally and and I think the point when I'm trying to say is because I did write an article about getting Botox in my masseter and Helping with TMJ. Obviously. I talked to all the experts and said how many units of Botox so I had to ask how many units of Botox do you think that somebody should typically get and it truly varies by the person and that's only something that a practitioner who has been doing this for years with a ton of patients under their belt can really tell you in terms of pricing. I mean La I think is probably more competitive just because it's LA but then there's places that I like if I go back to Texas where I'm from it's way more flight not cheaper. I hate saying work cheap, but it's more affordable. I guess is there like a standard cost that you guys advise your practitioners to charge. It just depends on the practitioner practitioner and their office and I would I would encourage people to think about paying for the outcome versus paying per units, right? So you want to go in and you want to choose an injector that you trust and Then you want you put your face in his or her hands, right? And and that outcome is so important. And since we know that the number one worry is a fear of an unnatural outcome. Make sure you go to somebody that you trust use a product that you trust and pay for the outcome. Don't try to nickel and dime based on units or any of that stuff. Yeah, that was actually really smart. Would you say like in this world of you know, Instagram social media so many people will, you know try to find their practitioners using Instagram and finding you No, the photos of their patients. Would you advise people doing that? I would advise asking to see before and after pictures that are their own. So some injectors will use before and after pictures that are you know in books and some will use and take the time to compile their own that has a nice a nice volume of before and afters and then you can look and you can say Okay, are these natural looking do they look like people that are like me are these the type of outcomes I And a half and I think that's a really important thing and most injectors do do that. Most have a rich volume of before and after pictures that you can look at whether they're on Instagram or they're in their office or on their website and it's to that point. I think I've said this on podcast before but make sure that you know, if you're if you're on your Instagram explore page and you see an injectors, you know page and you start going through it. There are some things that you should look for to make sure that they're actually using their own photos because now there are so many aggregation accounts that are just like Like this this and this or people that are saying oh I offer this service, but it's a bunch of other practitioners photos. Make sure that the photos look the same like every like the angles the lighting even the background of where they're taking them just because I know way too many people that have had the experience where they go and they expect one thing and they realize their injector was not the one that did Total all these people on their page which is super deceptive, but We live in this social media world now and Instagram unfortunately can not be used for good. It can can really be detrimental and also it carries other point. It's your face. So like yeah be willing to invest in your face is like don't yet exactly don't nickel-and-dime based on how many units you think you want listen to your practitioner. They know what they're doing, especially if you did your research and you feel comfortable with them and go from there. I wouldn't be like, okay. I only have 400 Or suspend right? What can you do with that? I think that's the wrong approach. I know that kind of sounds like a privilege thing to say but really I think it that's not the way to go. My other question for you. Carry is is there anything that people should be wary of or aware of when it comes to finding a practitioner? Because I do think that is the most important part is finding someone that really knows what they're doing. Yes, I would say that's a very important decision. You have to make the good news is there are Was in thousands of very well trained very well experienced injectors for botox cosmetic and that's a part of this being on the market for the past 17 years. Right? So many have built their entire practice on this and a very well experienced. I will reiterate the key questions. I think you should ask are the number of years you've been treating patients the number of patients you treat on a weekly monthly or yearly basis your board certification and how you've been trained so we run out. Allergen Medical Institute, which is our medical education and injector training program. It's very rigorous. We train tens of thousands of injectors a year. That might be a question, you know, have you been trained by Oregon Medical Institute? And so I think that's very important and then the other Isis the practitioner and also the product make sure you're getting the product that you expect. So there is only one botox cosmetic. Botox is a bit like Kleenex or Coke, right? It's used as a category. But really it is its own. To and if somebody is saying that they're using botox cosmetic or another toxin just make sure you're getting the real thing. How would you estimate it? Like would you actually look at the little vial that it comes in to make sure or like like I mean, I'm I would have no fear of being aggressive and being like bringing out the box like that just comes with finding a trusted certified practitioner. Yes, a trusted practitioner is going to give you what you ask for. For many people do ask to see the vial and I think that's a very fair question to ask and last but not least. If you're a member of the brilliant distinctions loyalty program, your points will only work if they gave you botox cosmetic. So that's a nice thing to rely on awesome. There's one other question that I did want to address and this is personal. So feel free to get personal to carry but a lot of people were asking like does it change your skin texture like, you know, is it going to impact your beauty routine? Anyway, I feel like it only impacts it positively when I love getting Botox because I feel like it actually makes my pores look smaller. I know that's not like an approved thing that Botox claims to do but because of the way that it Smooths out the lines around my eyes, I feel like it ends up benefiting my whole face and I've openly said that when people are like, oh your skin looks amazing. What are you doing Michael? I'm using this product this product. Also. I got Botox like four weeks ago. I feel like that has a huge part in it Botox in my Lassiter has really helped my jawline to it's just helped with me like with mental relief as well. Just because when you grind your teeth all the time, it's extremely painful, but I think it only impacts my skin routine in a positive way. And I found that it makes the texture of my skin overall look better. What about you? Carrie? Yeah, I would say we hear what you just said all the time. I personally love having my lines smooth so that when I'm putting on my makeup, everything is Kind of going on more easily. I feel like I am looking having my inside arm. Excuse me, my outside match my inside and kind of look like the best version of myself. And like I said when I'm looking at that rearview mirror and my car I know when it's kicked in and I know what I need to go back. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that light's not forgiving in the car. So I totally agree and I always notice in between my eyebrows like that 11. That's when I'm like, oh, yeah, it's not alone. Yeah. I know I I feel like a lot of people also noticed that okay. Awesome. So I think that answered most of the questions that we if not, all of them is if anyone has any more questions, where is a good place we can go to get some answers about botox cosmetic. Botox cosmetic.com is our website. We have at botox cosmetic our Instagram handle and of course you go to your doctor or your healthcare provider and they can answer all of your questions about botox cosmetic amazing. Carry. Thank you so much for being with us today. And so much I'm like not as scared as I was and now I'm like ready. When are you gonna go and get my nomadic? Oh my God. I'm like, where is she get it like look at her skin like I might preventative though. I mean, okay, whatever. I'm going to take you with me to my next I call it Bobo. I'm going to start. I'm just going to trade market Bobo get my next Bobo appointment. I'm doing probably like two or three months. I'll take you with. Okay, so you can like see the whole process. I would love that. Maybe we'll record it for Instagram and we'll send it to carry. Yeah, exactly. So you can approve guys. Thank you guys so much for listening. 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Let's have a bo-talk, shall we? If you've ever wondered about injectables, how they work, their side effects or anything else regarding Botox and fillers, you'll want to save today's chat. Our guest is Carrie Strom, Senior Vice President of Allergan U.S. Medical Aesthetics. She leads the only all-female leadership team in the aesthetic injectables category, overseeing several iconic and best-selling brands, such as BOTOX® Cosmetic and The JUVEDERM® Collection of Fillers. Carrie is filling us in on everything you've ever wanted to know about injectables — including questions you sent us — from what effects Botox will have long term to what you should be looking for in a good practitioner. We also discuss Shiseido's Drunk Elephant acquisition for $885M, and what that means for their cruelty-free status. We love Logical Harmony and Cruelty-Free Kitty when it comes to debunking who is cruelty-free and who isn't. Also, here's the article Kirbie wrote regarding the Wet n Wild cruelty-free scandal earlier this year. Products mentioned during What's on Your Face: Bliss Glow & Hydrate Day Face Serum, $20 Kylie Lip Blush in I'm Blushing, $16  Thank you to our presenting sponsor HUM Nutrition! Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/Gloss_Angeles Shop all of our product lists: http://www.shopstyle.com/shop/GlossAngeles Shop Kirbie’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/Kirbie-Johnson Shop Sara’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/saratan Gloss Angeles is co-hosted by Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan. Our editor is Patrick Muldowney. 