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All of the victims were women and more than three-quarters or African-American women a Called the murder accountability project founded by journalist Thomas Hargrove used a computer algorithm to identify this particular pattern of murders in Chicago. We wanted to learn more about the case since the investigation is picking up momentum and making headlines finally making headlines across the country. Murder murder accountability that sounds like a good phrase doesn't how about the murder accountability project when you hear what our next guest has done with the murder accountability project you're going to be so impressed Thomas Hargrove has done some amazing work that is finally being recognized as far as helping us solve murders in our communities showing patterns, perhaps serial killers that we didn't know existed. Existed and it's all done through a non-profit Thomas Hargrove started compiling homicide statistics with the hope that serial murder could be seen in data and that could help solve crimes. And so with that basic information the the murder accountability project we've gathered all of the records that the FBI has collected and We Gather records that were not given to the FBI The Uniform Crime Report and the supplemental homicide report our voluntary reporting system. Eames police are not required to report anything they do this because it's professional policing to report such data we go to entire states that don't report to the FBI and compel them under Freedom of Information. Act laws to report to us. And so we now have nearly 29,000 Case Files of homicides that were that should have been reported to the FBI, but weren't we now have gotten Records On Seven hundred and seventy one thousand murders in the United States going back to 1976. It would be reasonable to assume that there is a federal agency like the FBI coordinating crime data statistics for the country, but it turns out there isn't what we do have is a database that the FBI has been building for many years called the supplemental homicide report. It is a supplement to the Uniform Crime. Report to the other big database that the FBI produces about major crimes in the United States police Chiefs when they created this the Uniform Crime Report in the 1930s decided later on that we need more information about our worst crime murder. And so they instructed the creation of the supplemental homicide report which doesn't gather a lot of information but a gathers this the victims age Sex not to the victim's name not the precise location where they were the murder occurred. It does tell us the name of the law enforcement agency. That was the lead investigative agency in the case. It tells us the weapon that was used to kill the victim. It tells us the circumstances of the killing which is the Least Theory as to why this murder occurred. Was it a robbery? Was it a rape was it not an argument over gambling debt? The circumstances are a theory as to why the murder happened and if somebody was arrested we get the age race and sex of the offender not a lot of information. It turns out it's enough. It's a challenge and you know, I think people have a misconception as to how well Eyes law enforcement is there is not a master list. We would be happy if Congress would someday come and put us out of business by creating an official murder accountability project, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Tom recognized the need for murder accountability through his work as a journalist. Yeah for thirty seven wonderful years. I was a newspaper reporter and the last 25 of those years. I worked in Washington DC and it really was one of the best jobs you could ever have. I guess the worst part of that job was the two and a half years that I was a White House correspondent. I really did not enjoy that but most of the time I was able to be an investigative reporter and that is just the best job in the world and I had a wonderful wonderful time. My first job was as a cub crime reporter, I worked. In Birmingham Alabama as the weekend police reporter for the newspaper down there and I was there in the late 70s and early 80's at the time of the Atlanta child murders and the Atlanta Police Department was widely criticized for not not recognizing that they had a pattern going on that there were too many African American youth being killed and the case is not solved and so I started attending. Symposium by criminologists looking into the Atlanta case and learned that this is a phenomenon. That's well known in criminology called linkage blindness that it's very difficult for police to recognize that cases are connected and so years later. I talked my editors and Washington DC to do a year-long project looking into unsolved murder with the idea that we'd see if we could develop an algorithm. That might be able to detect serial murders within the FBI computer files of murderers. And that was the project. It was a wonderful project that won a bunch of awards and we were successful. We did develop an algorithm that can do just that so now algorithm is simply a series of mathematical steps to produce a solution and computer algorithms are useful because computers are very good at slavish. Only following instructions no matter how complicated and so we're starting to see algorithms all over the world doing very intelligent things online because they can be such a powerful tool in the case of murder. We're looking for clusters of similar murders and similar locations that had a very low clearance rate and history tells us that quite often that that effect can be the result. Of a serial killer who has been successful in a evading arrest, but the algorithm only works if you have all the data, you can go to our our website at murder data dot org and you can download our data. You also have an interactive interface with the data. You can also have an interactive experience with our algorithm. I can also download the algorithm everything we do is open source. We won't be happy until our data are on every computer in the world that will never happen. But we are as open as we possibly can be about this information because we think it's so so important for people to understand murder you can certainly is and the more the public can use this the better. So I'm going to ask you a few questions about what you just talked about. You're telling me that the police are not required to report to any federal agency anything about their murders. Correct? Correct? It is a voluntary reporting system. Do they have to report to anybody because we always see in the newspaper Salt Lake City crime rate murder rate down 10% this year. Well, how would they know unless they got it do they just accept what the police tell them and then write it or is there any any sort of Checking plan to check if what they're saying is the truth. Well by and large police are very professional and they they don't lie. They they tell the truth and the records in a fairly complicated Reporting System. I mean mistakes get made but by and large we do know the sweep of Murder in the United States how many there are whether or not they're being solved and as to police being truthful if they weren't being truthful then why do they report data? That increasingly make them look bad that over time in the last 50 years the rate at which we solve murder has been declining for a lot of reasons primarily because insufficient resources are being provided to police but the rate at which we solve a murder now is only about 60% of the time. It used to be 90% of the time 50 years ago. There are there are challenges to police That You Don't See Beyond on your favorite crime show on Primetime television growing number of cities in America experienced a very unfortunate Trend, which is most murders go unsolved. It's that way in Chicago. It's that way in a growing number of places that most Killers get away with it. And that's a very alarming Trend. We're pretty sure that the police are telling us the truth because if they were to lie the picture would look Rosie. or it doesn't Okay, that makes sense. But now you have to get this information from them and also from the FBI. You mentioned a lawsuit. I found this absolutely fascinating that you actually had to sue to get this information. Tell us what happened with that. How did that come about? Okay. Well most of the agencies that we negotiate with we don't have to sue we voluntarily get from the states of Alabama and And Florida Case Files, so we didn't have to go to court. We were able to convince the District of Columbia to resume voluntary reporting of homicide information. We did have to go to court in Illinois and we were partially successful. We were able to obtain hundreds of murder cases that they did not report to the FBI and they have resumed reporting case information to the FBI. Why we just discovered that among the non reporting agencies is every law enforcement agency with the federal government. They do not report to the supplemental homicide report or to the Uniform Crime Report who doesn't who doesn't who doesn't report you broke up just a little bit. Yeah, we discovered that every federal law enforcement agency does not report to the Uniform Crime Report or the supplemental homicide report. Nationally. That's the FBI. That's the ATF. That's NCIS and all of the the military police organizations. None of them report murders to themselves essentially to the to the Eyes official accounting of Major Crimes including murder. We just found this out and we're in the process of trying to fix this. We don't understand why that happened because Congress actually passed a law in 1988 called the federal Uniform Crime Reporting Act of 1988, which mandated that all federal agencies including law enforcement agencies with the Department of Defense that everybody who has as the capacity to investigate a major crime shall report to the Uniform Crime Report that seems to be an incredibly disrespected law that nobody complied with it. And so we may have to go to court on that one asking a federal judge to order federal police to report to the Uniform Crime Report in the supplemental homicide report. We're hoping that doesn't happen. We're in negotiations with members of Congress and With we hope the the bureaucracy we haven't heard any response yet. We sent a letter to FBI director Ray Christopher Ray and to other law enforcement officials are advising them of this law and we're hoping to start to obtain data from the federal government, but are the police on board. Most of the agencies that we negotiate with we don't have to sue we voluntarily get from the states of Alabama and Virginia and Florida Case Files. So we didn't have to go to court. We were able to convince the District of Columbia to resume voluntary reporting of homicide information. We did have to go to court in Illinois and we were partially successful we were able to You obtained hundreds of murder cases that they did not report to the FBI and they have resumed reporting case information to the FBI. We just discovered that among. The non reporting agencies is every law enforcement agency with the federal government. They do not report to the supplemental homicide report or to the Uniform Crime Report. That's the FBI. That's the eighth. TF that's NCIS and all of the the military police organizations. None of them report murders to themselves essentially to the to the FBI's official accounting of Major Crimes including murder. We just found this out and we're in the process of trying to fix this with the expanded database. We've worked with the criminal justice information. Services division of the FBI they're based in West Virginia and they are just wonderful to work with they have a hard job and there is not enough of them. It's the process of counting things is hard. I can I can vouch for that and they seek to get voluntary data from police departments that are willing to participate voluntarily. They can't get any tougher than just to ask please but they do do they do a good job and the data they give us is wonderful and they give it to us first they are very very good to work with. They recognize that our website is being used by law enforcement and they give us first access when new files become available. Well by and large police are very professional and they they don't lie. They they tell the truth and the records in a fairly complicated. Reporting systems I mean mistakes get made but by and large we do know the sweep of Murder in the United States how many there are whether or not they're being solved with the expanded database Tom created an algorithm to mine the data looking for patterns in Murder clusters across the country. Yeah. The first time the algorithm was ever run was in 2010 in the summer and We didn't know whether the algorithm was producing useful information. We programmed it to to be able to identify. What at the time was the worst known serial killer in American history. That was Gary Ridgway the Green River Killer in the Seattle area. He was convicted in a court of law for murdering 48 girls and women. In the Seattle area many of the bodies were deposited near or along the the Green River. That's how he got his name. So we programmed a computer that would eventually tell us that something awful happened in Seattle in the 18 in the 1980s and 1990s. And so when that worked in the algorithm was telling us about Green River it Telling us about dozens actually hundreds of other highly suspicious clusters. Some of them were even larger than the Green River cluster. And the question was well, what are these and so we picked 10 of the largest clusters and we called local police and in many cases. These were already known serial killers in in Los Angeles. Alice there were actually five separate serial killers who were killing women mostly African-American women with handguns. They were quite independent of each other and yet they were doing the same thing killing over and over again and getting away with it at least for a while that caused a huge blip in the data and the algorithm caught that we had other clusters around the country. One of them was in Gary, Indiana. cluster of 15 strangulations of of women mostly mostly young women none of them solved and we called the Gary police department and they assured us that there was no unsolved serial murder in Gary and would not entertain the possibility that they were wrong when we developed the names of Elves of these 15 women we came back to them and said are you sure these are unsolved cases? They look quite quite similar and they stopped talking. They would not entertain any questions. They would not consider the possibility that there was an active serial killer we published our results. Although we sweated about it. I actually sent registered letters to the mayor of Gary into the police chief saying look if there's You should tell us you better tell us quickly. We're about to publish a story saying there's an active serial killer in Gary, Indiana. We heard nothing and so we published and in 2014 Hammond Police next door to Gary Indiana were summoned to a Motel 6, and they found in the bathtub in one of the rooms nineteen-year-old Africa Hardy. They were able to make an arrest quickly Darren deal. Diane von fan and as sometimes happens with these guys, he confessed. You got me. I've been at this for a while. I've been killing back into the mid 1990s and he took police into Gary where he showed them where he had hidden six other quite recent victims homicide victims the Gary Police Department knew nothing about whom he had all strangled. Those were those Six plus Africa Hardy makes sevens at least seven women that he killed after I had tried to warn Gary that there was an active serial killer. When three women disappear in Santa Ana California without a trace it takes one bold unwavering detective to seek Justice detective. Julissa. Trap has always wanted to be a cop but she's the only woman on an otherwise all male homicide Squad, but she does her job in ways that you and I would probably say is unconventional perhaps there's a brand new podcast from One Tree and the Los Angeles Times in this podcast detective trap takes you right into the life of a cop. Who conducts herself relentlessly hosted by award-winning journalist? Chris offered detective trap is the story of a detective who fights through her many personal battles. And of course she has to deal with society's indifference to murder, especially three missing women. She goes through all of this and is still able to bring a killer to Justice trap strongest resource for catching a dangerous criminal personal experience while listening make sure to subscribe to Detective. Trap on Apple podcast Spotify or wherever you happen to be listening right now. You can also find the link in the episode notes. Can the unsolved murders in Chicago be seen in data? And what is being done about it our algorithm? If you go to murder data dot org and click on a tab called Murder clusters and click on the county clusters. You'll see dozens of circles all over the country, but two of the largest our Circle over Cleveland and a circle. The Chicago the Cleveland case was what you and I both worked on. The Chicago cluster is is a large number of unsolved murders of women who are either strangled or a tick ciated in the city of Chicago and very few of those cases were solved there actually have been three rounds of press stories about that cluster it started when I was out of Journalism conference in Phoenix four years ago three years ago and I told a large room of journalists that there are too many unsolved strangulations in Chicago when we were talking about the algorithm and the one of the first was what was a package in the Chicago Tribune, they started investigating and then there was a call from HBO Vice news at about the same time. And they were aware of the pattern and the device news report actually beat the Chicago Tribune reported. Although the Chicago Tribune has been working the case first but it was obvious to to both groups that something God awful had happened the Chicago Tribune published the HBO Vice did a package about these overwhelmingly unsolved. Triangulation and it's an asphyxiation murders and we had a conversation with the Chicago Police. I and Eric with Sig my vice chairman who used to unscrew killers were living with the FBI. We had our conversation with Chicago Police and then and it was a pleasant conversation. We explain that. We're pretty certain. There are at least one active and maybe more than one active serial killer in Chicago and we gave them. List of victims and our are we even have a theories to where the guy lives because there's a a desert where there aren't very many body recovery sites, but located between Chicago's west and south side. He might live there work there but nothing seemed to happen and then CBS came along the channel to CBS affiliate in Chicago Pam zekman, very, Very feisty decades-long reporter in Chicago. She's an institution and she did a series of stories and that finally ignited things there was political interests and there was a response from Chicago Police. They decided to assemble a task or detectives were being assigned to review these 51 murders of women. The FBI was consulted and The FBI is participating in this task force. The superintendent of police Eddie Johnson has instructed that they attempt to review what evidence still exists to see if they can provide additional testing and ultimately it's a resource problem on all of the elements of unsolved murder that increasingly murders are unlikely to be solved and that's because Because of lack of funding although the murder accountability project was created to compel police departments to report their crime data and clearance rates what has been the response to the outside help the Chicago Police Department are really quite Pleasant to deal with in fact, they always happen. No cop wants to hear that. He has a serial killer in his community. Nobody wants that there's a politics to serial killing and it's not good and so you That's perfectly understandable. But Police Department is now quite quite sincere and their attempts to review these cases again, though. It was necessary to be able to put together a list of who the victims were. You don't have the names of the victims in the FBI Files, but when you do put names and narratives to these crimes in the words of one Chicago detectives any reasonable person upon reviewing these cases would agree that these are probably serial murders her and your listeners can review the what I'm about to tell them to if you go to our website at murder data dot org and look at the second news item, you'll see it's about the Chicago cluster and at the bottom of that item click here and you can download the report that we did for the Chicago city council. So it's a it's a seven page report. It's kind of interesting when names and narratives are put to these 51 deaths you you really really have no doubt that there was a common killer in many probably most nearly all of these women the women were overwhelming in all over their body recovery sites were overwhelmingly found out. Out of Doors 94% of the time the the body recovery site was out of doors or in an abandoned building that's pretty unusual they were they were a majority of them were found either nude or partially disrobed or their clothing was tampered with so that they're the Hewitt the female form was was exposed these were Clearly sexual crimes in addition great many of these women had recent sexual contact and sexual activity and not always voluntary sexual activity on these were in many of these cases. These were clearly rapes. There is there is a an interesting pattern to The Killing Fields. There are three in Chicago on the west side. On the south side, which is the largest and the extreme South Side, which is the smallest in the case of the Southside cluster. There is a real interesting linearity to it a 9 of the murders seem to form a nearly perfect line as if a killer were driving a route looking for victims and finding them along. And so in fact, we did a map and you can you can see the geographic pattern for yourself that these were clearly sexual crimes mostly involving prostitutes or women would habitual drug use or both and women, you know sex sex workers and Drug. Are the primary targets of many serial killers, you know, and so that these are overwhelmingly prostitutes or drug addicts is also an extreme Telltale, but the biggest Telltale is that this is a large cluster of murders that were not solved most of the time in Chicago when our when a woman is murdered somebody's arrested because female murderers are easily solved. Compared to male murders because usually women are murdered by an intimate to boyfriend a husband someone who lives in the house. It's a sharing list of suspects. But these women these 51 women who were strangled in a 60 ated they were almost certainly killed by strangers or by persons that you did not know very well. That's why the body recovery sites were all out of doors. I mean these were not these were not Intimates who knew each other these were these were Sex workers plying their trade and they were paying a horrible price for it and in America, we kill within our race. If you tell me the race of a murder victim I'll guess that the killer was the same race and I'll be right seven percent of the time. So 3/4 of the women were were African-American and 1/4 were white or Hispanic and I really really think that there's a white killer and a black killer that's just my opinion, but I think I think the wisdom with the Chicago detectives one detective told me we're probably dealing with two or three multiples. He said multiples make multiple victim Killers two or three multiples and I think that's a pretty good guess. It's not impossible that it's one guy. It's just unlikely right now. There is no proof of a serial killer. Walk there is General agreement that these cases need to be taken a hard. Look at that the odds that these are 51 separate Killers is just hard to imagine there is there are serial killers active in Chicago and this pattern is probably going to continue until this guy or these guys are caught. Well the murder algorithm demonstrates homicide clusters by geography. Why not all serial killers stay in one place Sam little Sam little is a serial killer who has been in the news recently after he was convicted of killing three women little admitted to strangling dozens more women across the country starting in the 1970s. His estimate is that he killed 90 women and nobody nobody argues with him. Nobody's calling a liar. They've been able to through hard forensic evidence tying him to 34 and They're still working the forensics on 24 if those work out and they pretty sure it will that makes him the most dangerous serial killer in American history and nobody's calling him a liar. I was claim of 90. He he checks a lot of boxes for our algorithm. Our algorithm says that the the largest suspicions cluster is in Atlanta series of a hundred Asians and Atlanta, well little says so yeah. I killed three women in Atlanta and for women outside of Atlanta in Georgia, his largest killing field seems to be California, which also is the largest number of suspicious strangulation. Well all strangulation there were suspicions but clusters. There are a great many clusters of of strangled women were hardly any of the murders were cleared and Little checks those boxes for us. These are marginalized women and they had been disowned by their families long ago. That's how you get to become a streetwalker that you don't have you never pick prostitution as a career picks. You you feel you have no options. So had these women had a supportive family available to them. They would not have ended up dead. I'm sure because they wouldn't have become a prostitute. Shoot what else is the reason behind low clearance rates? I think it really is that simple that were primarily looking at a problem of resources. If you if you download our data and you look at the rate at which murderers get solved and you look at the broad sweep of economic Wellness in America, there has been a decline in the in the rate at which murders get solved in, New Jersey. Z and I believe that is economically driven resources are a problem. But there are there are many other elements to it. There has been a change in the nature of who gets murdered in America back in the 70s. The the typical murder victim was white now in the late two thousand teens the typical victim is black. There is a sense of Of calculation as to what the amount of resources should be given to law enforcement and I'm afraid that since there has been a decline in the murder rate. That's true. Therefore you can have a have a benefit by cutting back on law enforcement which unfortunately is not a good idea. The courts have been effective at responding to Crimes of Passion. So the first time a man beats up his wife he's going to be spending quality time with Tourists and in court explaining himself that the the system has gotten far more proactive than it used to be about domestic violence. And so domestic murder is declining what that leaves are stranger crimes crimes between people who don't know each other. Well one of them being a criminal the other being a victim but those are by definition harder to solve. There are a lot of indicators are a lot of factors that make murder hard. Order to solve certainly that we're pulling back on resources at a time when many governments city and county and state are fiscally challenged is a major contributing factor, but there are there are there are there are political factors do how much money do we want to give if the typical murder victim is African-American? That's a factor how much how much resources should we give when? The most of the people doing the dying are involved in street gang violence. There's a sense that will why should we be paying for that? Let them kill themselves off ultimately. It does come down to Dollars and I'm afraid that's what we're seeing that kind of political calculation as to how much resources shall be given to law enforcement and the consequence of underfunding police department's is more murder because there is a decline great of which we solve murders in America. There's a consequence to allowing murders to go to unsolved. They're growing number of cities are in a situation where most killers are still walking in the street and when that happens not surprisingly the killing the murder rate goes up the killing goes on unsolved murder begets more murder that happens because the Killer Away with it and he's available to kill again. But also it happens because he's a walking talking Testament that there are no sanctions to murder. So he inspires others to murder and thirdly he got away with a murder if there's someone who cares about that victim since the police aren't going to arrest him. It's up to them to take the law into their own hands. And so a Revenge killing is the only Justice available all of those things factor into a spiral of iron of violence that we've seen in places like Detroit in Chicago where only a fraction of murders get solved and the murder rate gets worse without a doubt web sluice can play a role in helping bring Justice for these marginalized victims the wonderful community that you've built and they can be extremely helpful. They it was your people who were able to put names and narratives to what we still believe is. A series of two or three serial killers in Cleveland. It was not an easy job just because we have basic information from the from the FBI or from police departments directly doesn't mean that we have a blueprint as to what happened. It's necessary to find out exactly who the victim was. We know that there was a 32 year old woman who was strangled in Cleveland in June of Thousand fifteen but who was that? And what were the circumstances of that crime? And that's what the Web Solutions were able to do. They were able to figure out using public sources like online newspaper records. They were able to put names and narratives to those cases and that was very very valuable. I guess what we could use or some people that would be willing to do what web sleuths have done in the past, which is look at some of the suspicious clusters. Try to put names and narratives to those victims quite often when I'm exercises done. You come away with an understanding. Yes or no is are these probably serial murders? Sometimes you realize they probably aren't but most of the time the algorithm is pointing to a cluster that truly is suspicious, but you really don't know that until you until you develop the narratives and and the identities of the victims and so people who are willing to do that to literally be arms yard detectives using nothing more fancy than Google but I think ours that it might be able to to do something important. So we're always looking for volunteers willing to do that. You can go to our our website at murder data dot org and you can download our data. You also have an Interactive. Is interface with the data you can also have an interactive experience with our algorithm. You can also download the algorithm. Everything we do is open source. We won't be happy until our data are on every computer in the world that will never happen. But we are as open as we possibly can be about this information because we think it's so so important for people to understand murder. You don't certainly is and the more the public Public can use this the better you guys are wonderful and thank you so much. Would you like to learn more about low clearance rates and unsolved murders in your community? Simple. Go to murder data dot org, see how you can help. Now's your chance murder data dot org? My thanks to Thomas Hargrove for taking the time to talk with our website loose community. And I want to thank all of you citizens loose out there for giving your valuable time and energy to help bring Justice for victims and closures. Families. I love you all. Thank you. The web sluice True Crime form has truly been a passion for me and for so many of our members. I hope it holds a place in your heart to the web sluice Community has tracked evidence chase down leads identified bodies and helped with some of the country's most difficult cases web sluice members donate their time and expertise not for the recognition, but for the satisfaction of investigating True Crimes, And making a difference for the families of the victims through patreon you're able to contribute to web salutes.com and the web sluice Radio podcast to help us produce more and more episodes like this one. Your contributions will unlock exclusive content and bonus episodes made especially for our true crime junkies. My name is Tricia Griffith. I'm the owner of web sluice True Crime forum and host of Webster's Radio podcast, and I am sincerely grateful for the opportunity. To spend time with you and get to know you. Thank you for being a part of web sleuth.
Tricia Griffith speaks with Websleuths member Thomas Hargrove of the Murder Accountability Project about a series of 51 unsolved murders of women in Chicago. The Murder Accountability Project, a nonprofit group, used Thomas Hargrove's algorithm to map 51 unsolved strangulation cases that took place on the west and south sides of Chicago between 2001 and 2018. The 51 murders have striking similarities: all the victims were women, most of the victims were discovered outside in a public place, 76 percent were African American, and 75 percent of the crimes had a “clear sexual component." Can an algorithm catch a serial killer? Detective Trapp podcast Anaheim investigator Julissa Trapp is not like other detectives. She’s the only woman on the homicide squad, and a skilled chameleon: undercover cop in vice stings, crime-scene commander, patient confidante of killers. A master interrogator, she invokes her personal experience – and deepest griefs -- as a tool to elicit confessions. When a young woman’s body is found at a trash-sorting plant, Trapp learns the murder may be linked to the disappearance of three other women in nearby Santa Ana. Trapp embarks on a dark journey that brings her face to face with a man who takes “a little piece of her soul.” Listen now at Wondery.fm/webDT  URL Link: Wondery.fm/webDT      ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 