Bello fiends welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls and Gore your puny heart can handle me. Let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to another mini episode of Nightmare on Elm Street. I'm John I'm Kim and welcome to an emotionally charged Studio where Kim and I have been arguing for half an hour. You see I knew this week and a heavy how it started. We recorded a mini episode for patreon a little bonus episode where we're going to play a fun little game. You know. What no, we're going to play a game a very serious game that I put together that you can hear. This week as a companion to the upcoming episode where we talked about to crazy movies featuring cold-blooded Killers will get to it in a minute but a revelation came out and that's that Kim is spiteful Twitter poll maker. Oh, okay. So we were arguing about whether or not movies should be fun and I think and wait because we have to you you were the one that specified that we have to Define what fun is I think the question needs to be more elaborate. I think that's the problem like Twitter Bowl movies can be more than fun. Okay. So we're going to jump the gun a little bit on this mini episode. Normally what we do is we give you a little bit of a horror news or updates and then at the end of the show, we tell you what films will be talking about next week in the full-length episode, but I think in order to understand this book, Argument that we are having you need to know the films that started it off. Yes, and we have been fighting about these two movies and what they represent and we next week in a month long discussion of cold-blooded Killers here at nightmare in film Street and NFS podcast.com will be talking about William lustig's maniac and John McNaughton's Henry portrait of a serial killer to very gritty grimy. Grimy movies of a time about two people that are not supposed to be likeable whatsoever that you would never classify as fun characters and man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry mustard. I'm getting riled up. But like I just before you go you go down your rabbit hole. Let's just do a little updates. Okay? Yeah. I put a poll out 28 minutes ago asking the simple question. Yes. Should movies be fun? Yeah, we are at 324 votes 86 percent say yes 14 percent say no. Yeah. So, you know apologies. If you are a patriot subscriber and you are going to hear this argument twice and you're going to get it backwards. You're going to get less votes. Yeah. That is very true. This is Gonna Roll that is very strange and it's a very small small difference, but I do think the question should have I've been rephrased as do movies have to be fun as a subtle Jerome goddamn. No, it's not going to hit now like come on. I'm gonna be a cover song to your pole. If I do that. I'm not saying that movies have to be fun because I as we'll get into next week. I appreciate these movies. Hmm But I do not need to revisit them because movies should be fun now because they think what you're saying is movies should be rewatchable or movies should be enjoyable and you know, I don't want to backslide. No I'm saying movies have to be enjoyable. This should be to exist like to exist movies have to be enjoyable. Sorry, I've lost my point now something something something. Yeah, you have to enjoy movies when you watch them. Otherwise, they they're not they don't belong on your shelf. You don't you don't need to spend money on them because you're not going to revisit them because they're not a fun experience movies are escapism. We need to escape into something. Well, that's an interesting thing to say for somebody who has a horror movie podcast. To tldr all of this eventually is that when we start talking about movies like this. My only line of defense is to talk about them as art and I don't think art needs to be enjoyable. I think films are art and especially movies like this and I think movies are supposed to make you feel something and I think all good art should if I am watching like if I'm just watching a dumb comedy like we've We watched the so then you're agreeing with me that they're not the movies should be fun. And no I don't you re classifying the movies that you think are gritty and grimy and aren't fun into art. So you are you're agreeing with me essentially not see the connection that you just reclassified. Your movie is Art I and you wouldn't even call it a movie you said film. So essentially with the stems from is my over appreciation of movies like Maniac and movies like Henry portrait of a serial killer and my inability to watch the multiple times. Yeah, I think that's what it is. It surprised me the discussion that we had regarding both these movies and I'm very interested to hear your takes on on how we handled that but also just like what you think of these movies especially Maniac like I think you Henry portrait of a serial killer is pretty respected and I think it's easy to respect that movie because of how its presented Maniacs sort of treads in Into that exploitation era it sorry like that exploitation Arena not just as exploitation film but exploitive of its content like you could just look at it and say this is just 60 Minutes of a guy killing people for no reason and then maybe 30 minutes of character development. I disagree, but I can understand that argument and I look at them both as art and I don't think they are fun movies and I don't think they have to be fun and I'm Gonna Leave it I believe it. Leave it still sounds like reclassifying me in other news. Yep. We're nearing the end of 2019. So, of course we're working on our list trying to figure out what were our favorite movies of the year. And we've been trying to re-watch all those movies that got released that we missed or Festival movies that we missed. Are there any underrated picks that you want to talk about that we watch this week because we've watched a ton of movies underrated picks. I got one. Well, there's one greener grass. I'm so glad you brought it up. I'm so glad you brought it up. This is not a horror movie whatsoever. But it is definitely for fans of it can only be lumped under genre because it is such an odd bird movie. Oh, yeah, if you've seen the greasy Strangler anything like that crazy absurd Beverly love Lynn, what's an evening with Beverly Laughlin same directory? Of course. Yeah or Tim and Eric like the the weird like you you do not have any idea where this movie's going. I've seen a lot of people Describing it as like a John Waters film, which is sure like it's got like that weird Suburbia is Suburbia surrealism kind of stuff but it's not it's not quite a John Waters film. It is definitely the best comedy the of the year and it's so odd like so strange. Yeah. It's so hard to try and describe to it doesn't make any sense. I shouldn't say that it it is. So unlike the world we live in and I laughed harder at At this than I have it anything in the last I don't know five years. It wasn't it was insane this we blew my mind premise wise though. It's like like Suburban one-upmanship sort of shown through two families and like the like the inciting incident is a woman giving her baby to her best friend because her baby she said she liked her baby. Like, you know, you'd see somebody with a kid like, oh, it's so cute. I can't wait to have one of my own kind of conversation and she just Gives her her kid and that's where that we takes off. Another one. We watched was villains with Bill Skarsgard and Michael Monroe. They're a young couple who are on the lam and they happened upon this house where there's an even weirder couple living inside its kind of a crime movie Very isolated for character drama super fun. Super quirky. I gotta sleep can't even say what it's like, yeah. It's an interesting movie. Unfortunately, like I think it needed a bigger cast for me to really explore the villains quote unquote in the movie like by having a limited cast like you do get a lot of tension and they ratchet it up in a few scenes with something, you know, some extra suspense about whether or not they're going to get caught or get away or killed but I mean there are protagonists so halfway through the movie. I'm pretty sure they're safe. But if there were some, you know extra characters there that don't necessarily need to be alive at the end of the movie. Maybe I would learn Or yeah about the maybe I would learn more about the villains of this movie and like they're in their weird quirks because we are hinted at a lot of interesting psychology boy. So I mean one of the other things we cut up on the Are You Afraid of the Dark miniseries, which for some reason John put on in the wrong order my fault like the cable provider who had it on demands and episode 1 episode 2 episode 3 and the episode 2 Beginning of episode 2 the I was like mmmm. We skipped a lot this feels like episode 3, but here's like hear me out. It was 1:30 in the morning the characters. One of the characters had not had their memory wiped, but everybody else had and I was like, no. No, I think this is just a weird artistic Choice and then like we would get occasional flash back. So my Okay cool. So we're filling in the gaps. It's like we're with these characters and were as confused as they are and then like the finale came is super creative take yeah. I was really enjoying it and then like the villain Was Defeated. I was like damn psyllium end of episode two. I can't wait to see what its gonna be like when they really defeat him next episode. No, we just watched it in the wrong order. Sure did it was a lot of it was good though. Like the opening was great. The first episode was wonderful. Yeah. It was a great set up to the Midnight Society and all that fun stuff. Hmm. Also those kids have back seals like I am about their dedication need some wax you they were filming a movie they had Add a video Village. What are you talking about? Where did they get that budget? And I guess laughs like me there's a bunch of movies. We've been watching this week whole time. We've been averaging them two or three movies a day and we watch the Nightingale which was really cool. No not fun. See it's a Revenge movie and you know, you really got to earn your revenge in Revenge movies at oh God. Does this woman is like a Revenge Road Trip movie everybody miss my revenge movies our road trip movie. They kind of are cuz you gotta you gotta get on the trail. You gotta hunt them bastards down. Yeah. We also watched climax me for the first time John had already seen it. Yep, the gas porno movie, which I don't know why I miss it. I think the schedule just didn't align Festival wise I really liked it. Yeah, I think maybe one of my favorite of his movies. Agreed. Yeah, I liked I liked a lot more second time around it was a felt like a much faster Movie on the second watch and also seeing in the theater was sensory overload. So something somebody tweeted at me that I haven't verified yet. But I'm going to tell you is fact right now sure apparently the first half hour of the film. He has an audio overlay in there. That's like under 25 Hertz or something like the earthquake sound the first 25. I think it's First 25 because I would expect it to be in the second half because the exq you can't hear it. But you feel it. Yeah induces dress. I think it's during the dancing though. Like your there's this feeling of impending doom and apparently like in some of the screenings like people were like throwing up and getting dizzy leaving and well, I mean like the his camera work. Yeah, I can see. Yeah, but I mean if you're adding actual like 50 logical elements like I thought that was pretty fun. That is really cool. Hopefully, it's true. I haven't verified it obviously, so of course not You don't need to be the internet like of course, it's true. So as we mentioned next week, we will have a full-length episode out. Please enjoy this bonus mini episode. If you know if you are celebrating American Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy your eight days off and Joe Black Friday. Hopefully you don't leave your house and you just do your shopping online. Yeah. If you have to get anything word on the street is that the deal is actually aren't that good anymore unless Shopping at Severn or vinegar syndrome online where things are basically 50% off their entire catalog. So are you saying that we're shopping sweet? We think we should there's a special edition of taming the T-Rex that I think everybody needs to pick up. I feel that yeah 1201 the Eastern Standard time tonight when this podcast drops as when you can buy yourself a copy of Tammy and a T-Rex. So do you want one one last poll update? Sure. Okay, before we go. Oh, hang on. I'm right Twitter account. Okay, hot take somebody says the Star Wars prequels are pretty fun. Okay, I think all of those movies are fun relevant. 402 votes should movies be fun eighty-seven percent say yes hate to tell you though, but I read through. Okay, cool. That's fine. I'll take it there Timber sensing whatever 33 comments basically saying fun is subjective. Yeah. There's also a lot of people in there like talking about specific movies and like they are people that I communicate with We're all the time and it's just like I know the kinds of movies you like and they're not fun movies. So I think we are maybe confusing. I enjoyed it for fun because I would not call Maniac fun. I really enjoy it though anyway. I feel like this is just a poll that John and I cannot so it's an episode that you and I can agree on. I don't know if I've ever told you guys this story and I know we're outgrowing but I gotten one more thing. I want to talk about. Maybe I'll tell him I can't play Pictionary anymore God. It's so badass. I am actually quite good at Pictionary. John is just the worst guesser in the world know my stuff could be framed in the Louvre. No, you know, here's the thing, don't you? No dignity. You and your see it I can't draw but I can guess no Kendra can't guess John can not guess nor can he draw? We have a box of Pictionary downstairs that we keep the old pictures and we write the answer on so that way when friends come over we can fight again in front of them. Just like can you see there's a voicemail machine right exactly. Of course, you think she got it? Mmm, no, and that's that's Is how it goes so we just don't play Pictionary. We just we know that we that's not a and so are you I'm going to take this as another Pictionary we can no longer talk about movies. That aren't fun. Oh, well, I quit the puck. That's that's not happening. I'm looking ahead at the schedule of some of these episodes that we have scheduled. We have a lot of movies that I would not call fun, but are highly enjoyable and I think will spark some good discussion kind of like Maria and Maniac did by the way, there's something about Maniac didn't get to talk about the podcast that I really wanted to bring up now which, you know seems like a seems like a jerk move given the last half hour of conversation, but you know in my mind this afternoon, oh, what a great thing and something to talk about something just nice and oh, that's so starts and fresh talk about those movies we watched and then I'll bring up this little thing that I forgot to mention. I really like the tagline for Maniac. I'm Sure, you've seen the poster if you're unfamiliar with it. It is essentially just like photo of a man's legs. It's from the belt buckle down. We can see that he's holding a scalp and in the other hand, he has a knife there's blood everywhere and in blood is written. I warned you not to go out tonight. I love that tagline because yeah well, so do you like that tag? Why do guys do you locate do you like that? Do you like that tag line? Because it's creepy or because it talks to you about the movie. I think the tagline is better having seen the movie exactly and I think that is maybe you know part of the problem with like 80s film critics like Gene Siskel that they walked out of the movie. They didn't give it the time of day and and also it's kind of interesting to in that sort of 80s victim-blaming called thank you. That's this is exactly what I'm getting at and especially from the perspective of who he is. Yeah, but you went out tonight. Yeah, I sent a Letter to the cops. I said don't go out. If you're if you're outside, I'm gonna kill this type of person and you know your route so it's your fault that I'm killing you that is a crazy persons rationale and is not the right way to look at the world and you see a pop up all the time and it's used to justify terrible acts. Right but and like he does say that in the movie like he while he's killing people. He basically does say that but it's because it speaks to His psyche as this character he is he is specifically talking about his mother who left him and he was always upset that she would leave him alone and like you could have any number of stories about a kid whose mother left him all the time and he grew up to be the world's greatest playwright, you know, just like because of this darkness that exists in his heart from abandonment and well, yeah, you also have to be abandoned by your mother and you have to hit your head. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is the two things if you were born Post-world War II had your head hit and Dad wasn't around and neither neither was mom like chances. Are you killed a bunch of people but yeah, so in nature nurture and head injury. Basically you need that. That's the secret ingredient to a cold-blooded serial killer. Yeah. Yeah. And so so that tagline to me is also just kind of people would dismiss that movie immediately based on the tagline based on the poster. But if they saw it's like, oh wow, there is Rich character development here the way I would see in a regular film and It's leave me my regular film like something that you wouldn't have to go to a grade. I tap the pole in a fun movie. You've seen it in a fun movie. Yeah. Okay. Sure. I'm sorry. I definitely walked into that. The rest of the year is gonna go I guarantee. Oh boy, so we'll be talking more about maniac and Henry portrait of a serial killer next Thursday on the full-length edition of the podcast believe it or not. 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