I'm Alec lace. Welcome to First Class fatherhood. Welcome everybody to episode 289 of the podcast. I am happy as always to be here with you. Thank you for stopping by if this is your first time listening to the podcast. Please get over there and bang that subscribe button. You do not want to miss all the action that is coming your way right here on First Class fatherhood. All right dad's it is time for another frog man Friday edition of first-class fatherhood and I have got a tremendous guest for you guys today. He is an American hero who served at the tip of the spear with both the Army and the Navy Michael Rutledge joins me. A and Mike recently finished up a 30-year military career which included serving with the elite United States Navy SEAL Teams. And then after years of serving as a seal, he transferred to the Army and became a chief warrant officer with the 160th soar. So he went from Frogman to nightstalker Pilot. I don't know how many people have ever done that before talk about an All-American. What an absolute honour. This is for me. Mike Rutledge will be here in just a few minutes. So please stick around for the interview and Mike is the second Night Stalker pilot that I've had the honor of speaking. I'm with on the podcast. The other of course is legendary Black Hawk Down pilot Mike Durant who was here back on episode 2 43 if you missed out on that, I highly recommend you flip it back and take a listen and today will be the last episode for a little while here is I shut it down for Thanksgiving. I have been pumping out five episodes a week since I returned from summer break. This is the 58th episode since Labor Day and I have been working extremely hard to bring you guys the best possible content with the most incredible dad's that I can and in those 58 episodes. There have been five NFL Hall of Fame. Including Darrell Davis Ronnie Lott Tim Brown Warren, Moon and Michael Haynes to Medal of Honor recipients and buyers and Michael Thornton The Wolf of Wall Street, Jordan Belfort UFC president Dana White and so many more. So as I take a little break here from producing I pray that you will continue listening. I cannot say thank you enough for all of your support out there. You guys are the reason why I continue to keep going here. So let's go dad's. Please keep spreading the word about this podcast to every father that's in your neighborhood or in your contact list. Let them know about the show that's here celebrating. Eating fatherhood and family life fatherhood rocks Family Values Rule and every day is Father's Day right here with me and I will be right back with Frogman Night Stalker pilot All-American hero Michael Rutledge. I'm Alec lace and you listening to First Class fatherhood. Dads, are you tired of taking supplements that never deliver? 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And how old are they? I have three kids. I've got 19 year old son and 18 year old son and a 15 year old son. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I'm headed in that direction are my three boys are 13 12 and 8 and I have a daughter that's five. So I'm just about to get to where you are now. So this will be beneficial to me. Yeah, good luck with that. What type of uh sports rack These are they all into so different stages. They have got football crew. The youngest is big into football track and Lacrosse. So it kind of kind of cover the spectrum of the sports and I do you get in there. Have you ever coached them in any other teams or do you kind of like to enjoy that more from the stands know? How do we enough? I mean, I played big time high school and college football and I never really got too much into the coaching or being super involved. My youngest coached his football team for about three seasons before he got the high school really enjoyed it. And then I figured by the time they get to high school. It's it's time for me to let the pros do their thing because you know, the Casual dad coached kind of run its course, but I really enjoy being a spectator and just being supportive. So I don't necessarily have to be in the middle of all that it's they're showing their Spotlight much happier. Just being supportive. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. I'm with you there. I mean I enjoyed it when my kids were. Like, you know four or five years old when it was the small not really to Super competitive yet and just learning the game and having fun. So I kind of enjoyed coaching them at that stage. Yeah. Absolutely. Alright Mike. If you could please just take a minute here to hit my listeners a little bit about your background and what you do, so I just retired October 1st from 30 years in the military. I spent a come from a little farm town in Illinois Galesburg, Illinois played one year of division one football was not very It at it and decided that was not going to be my future course. I was definitely going to go to the NFL. So I finished the semester of the community college and enlisted in the Navy as a helicopter rescue swimmer and aircrewman. I did three years as a ch-46 crew chief of rescue swimmer and saw some seals one day to make the story short. So some seals and Naval special Warfare group on and Guam and decided that that was true of my destiny. So I put an application with the buds graduated but the class 197 And 1994 and stated Seal Team won a couple different positions instructor for a couple years. Basically I simply want to 2002 transferred to the Army to the wasser flight program came along us for Aviator and went director of the 160th Special Operations Aviation regiment for there and spent 14 years at the regiment as an mh-47 pilot and instructor pilot and test pilot but the other stuff and what I was looking at websites, you have deployed 16. Herbs and spent my last three years at the US Military Academy at West Point as a commander of the aviation Department in the executive plate adjustment. So that's how I ended up. I left the 160th of 2016 and had the amazing privilege to basically be dad to another 4,000 Cadets at West Point and I'm pretty sure that I got as much out of mentoring them as they did hang around with me. So that was a great and honorable way to end a 30-year career. Yeah, what a career was Mike and thank you so much for your service. And she credible what you've accomplished here in your career. And at what part in this around around how old were you when you first became a dad and had to becoming a father kind of change your perspective on life. So I was completely indifferent to kids and my wife kind of laugh about it that I just did not have a heart for children until she got pregnant and I didn't even actually believe she was pregnant until she showed me on the sonogram. There's actually a little personal. And so you don't realize when you become a dad, you don't realize what you're missing kind of tell some of my friends who don't have kids yet. They're like, I would ever want kids. Yeah, I never did either but you don't you don't realize what you're missing until you become a father, you know, whether it's a boy or girl. It doesn't matter. So that changed my entire world. It changed my goals a changed. We're going to live how I had a perception on, you know, different locations or places a one live before but places we thought we wanted to move to all of a sudden you find out they have bad schools and how we want to live so that other the kind of academic points, but it changes your entire perspective when you realize that you're responsible for another human as humans as the case may be. Yeah him very well said and I mean you got to have the coolest backgrounds of any father your Navy SEAL and then Night Stalker pilot, so that that also is a lot to live up to, you know, especially as a son we all try to, you know, look up to our fathers and try to impress them has Success or your career has that that had any kind of negative impact on your son's as far as them feeling like they need to impress you or have you kind of handle that you know, I tried really hard. I know it's kind of gratuitous, but I tried really really hard to not let it affect them. I have always told them that I don't care what you do. I said, you know what the daily mirror seals and we'll fix it. That's just what I wanted to do. It worked for me. It doesn't you don't feel at all like you have to follow the footsteps I said. And quite frankly, I'd be happy if you made your own footsteps, I would be way proud of you. You know, it's just it's just one bid. It doesn't have to be what you do. So I have never pushed them into anything and I think though they live the lifestyle, you know, basically Special Operations family for as long as I've been alive, you know, so they've taken on some mannerisms because they just can't help it. It's the way they've lived, you know, when you've got when you got a kid that's 10 years old that's on the porch with a bunch of guys from SEAL Team Six drinking beer and you know, They can't help it when I had that impression. That's that's that's their life. So I don't know what they're actually going to do with it. I think they'll all end up in the military in some capacity whether it's a career not doesn't matter but I've never pushed him. I just said I've enjoyed it. This is what I've done take from it what you want, you know, there's good and bad and take your own course. So he personally I don't think it's healthy to push your kids into something you have to do enjoy. You know, I just I wanted to be happy and be professional and do what they want to do the a very cool. Yeah. Well said there Mike And what about as far as discipline goes what? I mean the Navy SEAL and a special operations eyelid. I obviously very disciplined yourself. But what type of disciplinarian have you been as a father? You know, I don't know that I was a strict disciplinarian. They would probably disagree with me. I think my my metric my my wife and I came up with the metric that our discipline the criteria for a discipline is we're going to raise kids that we like being around because if we like being around them, you know chances are everyone else will too. So I know that sounds kind of kind of liberal but that's what we got in like if you if you're being a butt-head and you're being annoying around the house chances are if we take you out in public someone else is going to get annoyed by it. So discipline, I will tell you that you can expect it obviously in our household that any sort of disrespect or taka back or anything like that, you know gets dealt with pretty swiftly. But they also know that it's doled out with a lot of love. So there's never never really, you know, there's no crack of the whip per se it's it's just more hate what you're doing. It's affecting us like this and I don't have to raise my voice because you know exactly what's going to happen. If you keep pushing it so maybe kind of draconian, but when you're living in a blue house with a bunch of wolves, that's kind of how you have to run it. I think yeah and very cool. And what about me you hit some of these Milestones that I'm heading in that direction right now. Like I said, my oldest is only 13 How did you kind of handle when your boys started hitting that dating scene? Did you have any kind of rules or restrictions on them had you going to handle the whole, you know chasing girls dating scene. So we're actually in the midst of that right now footage. So it's inevitable and you know to be quite Frank on the show, which is probably more information people want to know you can't deny. He can't deny the whole sexuality thing. I think the worst thing a parent can do is is lock them down and pretend that it doesn't exist. This because it certainly does so we try to deal with it early on and a very healthy manner even when they were like 10 11 12 when everybody started curious and say hey it's healthy but you know, whatever perspective a particular family follows, whether its doctrinal biblical, you know, whatever, you know, we've tried to explain to him that you know, what you're feeling is healthy. It's normal, you know, you go through the whole sex talk and all that kind of stuff and just try and keep it out of the Shadows. But since I have sons bleed or not, what we ended up telling them that seem to have the biggest impact was as far as the physical aspect, you know dating was that one just understand that when you're dating you're not just dating to have fun in reality. You're looking for the person you're going to marry. So if you don't think you're going to merrier, you know, they'll say it's okay to get to know people and have fun and find out what you like and don't like just remember the whole purpose of dating is Is to find out who you're going to marry, you know in the second point was when you decide what kind of a physical relationship you're going to have with this girl. Just remember that you know when you get ready to murder your wife, how many guys do you want her to have her have her lips on when you met your wife. So we try to put it in their perspective, you know, as far as even taking responsibility as young men final lesson to them was that hey, you know what we understand. Modes of passion and all that kind of stuff because we were 16 17 18, but she may not appreciate it now, but if you say no and you take care of her and on us' and and all those things you want appreciate it 17 or 18, but I guarantee you know what she's 25 26 or whatever and he gets ready to get married. Remember your name, but still remember the one guy that said, hey, let's not you're sweet. You know, let's just let me carry if you and send you on your way. So I know that sounds really outdated and old. Fashion, and of course, we would never know if our sons did or did not adhere to that but that's couple kind of what we try to try to let them know that that was our thought process on the whole dating and relationship thing. Yeah, I mean you paid the perfect picture there of when I would hope to see my children do at some point down the line. It's just one of the things my is just like right now is the technology that seems that they have access to like back in the day man. It's like if one kid had a Playboy magazine in to do like he was the guy like everyone hovered around his locker and sundown today just a quick Google search and you can get thousands of pages in these raw images where if it's like their first introduction to the stuff mannequin really be mind-blowing to these kids. Yeah, you know, and I my heart goes out to To all the father's right. Now that has I'll say Sons at least, you know sons that are 10 years old. We were in denial little bit and that is the age that they start getting exposed to it. And so what we found out is putting your head in the sand and pretending like it's not having your kids is not the way to go being proactive and understanding and you know, keeping some perspective in the you know, if they find these images and they're going to you know, no kid is immune to it these days they're going to You have to be prepared to have the hard discussions that none of us really wants to have other kids because you know getting addicted stuff your head is put you in a dark hole pretty quick and it just gets darker and deeper. If you know as a parent you pretend it's not happening and to say other be all writer, you know, it's what every boy does and estate agent might be but it doesn't really give us the responsibility as parents and trying to help them out. Yeah, definitely and well said there and another one of these things that I'm kind of, you know bracing myself for that I'm going to hit is when they start driving. 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I think my oldest because we lived on a farm. So I had him driving, you know, start out driving along other big tractors and I had Old Farm truck and stuff like that. So he was pretty easy. We just moved Your work, you know, you're taking your life in your own hands if you let a teenager out there to drive so that's a little bit different but the rules we set out for them. We took the we took the burden of buying cars for map and insurance all kind of stuff and they're pretty good with it because they know it's a very fragile balance the first ticket to get you know, the first violation you have whatever the first time we find you driving unsafe or using poor judgment, you know, you're going to lose that privilege and course not we realize that the teenagers the car is their biggest symbol of Freedom. You could possibly take away if you if you take away their current iPhone you might as well bury him six feet under I've also spent a life of teaching people how to operate complex Machinery. So I took the heart, you know the job of teaching them to drive and to be safe and make good decisions. So of all the different teenage challenges we've had with the sons having them be safe and and you Solid judgments driver has to one of them. Yeah, that's awesome. And how about as far as a fly have they gone fly with you or any of them interested in getting a pilot's license or anything like that? So they do it was humorous as we own Five Points of different sorts, and I always grew up flying where all my friends fathers were, you know, they all want other kids to solo gliders at 14 and get the license at 17 and it is a big deal and I'm even a flight instructor and my boys Fly With Me Me all the time and only one of them has really showed a passion for it. And I'm just fine with that kind like a same thing with being in the SEAL Teams or 160th. I have always told him like I would love you to go flying with me. Come hang out the airport with me, whatever and sometimes it's a hey no dad. I got other stuff going on and I never push them because again flying as always been my therapy. It's always been my Hiding Place to kind of recharge. So I enjoy it. It's my thing, but I don't expect it to be their thing. Like I said, I've got one that's really big into sports. That's his thing and he listened what I think that's awesome. I try and engage with them on as much as possible. My oldest is a complete Motorhead. He likes taking engines apart working on muscle again. He also wants a career in the military wants to fly, but I don't push it on them my anytime they say they want to do it. I just support them. But again, it's my thing and I think it's important to not you know, make them think that it has to be there is nothing but just make it available. Yeah, obviously you can I respect that you're going to let them make the decision as far as military options for them. But when it comes down to the Army-Navy game, who are you rooting for when that goes on? So what's really funny is but three years are spent at West Point. Of course. I was always a weird unicorn because where do you have a Navy SEAL? That's an army officer at West Point, you know, so I was definitely the Oddity and they would always ask me who am I get to easy man? I said, you know, I was always taught that you should always say whatever company you're in is the best company and that company is in the best Battalion and that is in the best record in the entire Army, you know, so whatever you're in that is the best place to be and so the same goes for the Army. Navy game I never even had any side words thoughts about who was going to run for it because I'm like, you know, what the Army's paying my paycheck. I am a structure and a commander West Point. So I'm waving the Army flag now, it does get kind of interesting we go. We have a leapfrog and some other guys who want to play games and and a guy named Dan Luna seal represented the Senior Chief at Annapolis and on the show. Yeah, so Dan what I would always go back and forth a little bit of So that's kind of funny. You got to be loyal to the brand so I wasn't okay. Yeah, and you know what I'm talking about, you know your kids going into those people are just graduated college and it seems like I don't really like the vibe of what's going on with the kids are coming out not knowing where to go. And like you said, I've been in my entire life and it's supported me and my family but of your kids have interest in going to any of the big colleges and how would you feel about that? Oddly enough, you know, I blew I grew up completely Blue Collar dirt before I mean it's kind of another story. But so I had to office so me and listening in the Navy and the holy cow be coming toward officer was probably like the best thing that I could have ever hoped for and you know, lo and behold being a commander West Point. I kind of laughing like there's no way a guy like me shouldn't be allowed to walk through the gates of West Point let alone command there. So I always appreciate the privilege of that, but I always One of my son's butt think that they were capable of more, you know, and you'd always like to think I've given him a better life and my wife and I we spent a lot of time grooming them to want more and be able to capable of more and all that and in the end my oldest son. We kind of paved the way for him. Like Hey, if you want to go to West your it's easy and and he looks at me one day, you know, what kind of big alligator tears is 17 year old he's like that because I really think Wesley is cooling this but I just want to be a dirty. A warrant officer like you and you know, so so what do you do with that when you finally realize that? You know, some of us are destined and groomed and equipped to go do the big university thing and they will make outstanding citizens in humans and some just want other stuff and I've come to realize because I'm a big fan of micro. I've just come to realize that everybody needs to do their thing. But whatever it is, no deal with a passion. Well that's driving a garment or trades or whatever and just do things and I have very little favor for people that look down. On others who don't attend large universities and have you know, outstanding an impressive degrees. I think that's great for for a lot of people but some it's not so like I said, I don't know exactly what my oldest son is going to do, but he's very Hands-On and he made it very clear that he wasn't interesting or he wasn't interested in attending a big university. And if he did it was going to culminate some sort of military career and the youngest and see was tan setting down. All I want to do is go to buds. So because all I do is go to buzz to be a seal. So what a ten-year-old tells you that and he shows you that he's making all this progress and works out every morning at six o'clock in the morning to show you that he's working towards that how do you like that kid in the eye and say you need to go to college for four years and not be able to tell him why is going to go do it? So we just trying to be supportive of whatever Direction they're kind of leaning in. And very cool and and what about as far as yourself Mike and then you've had all this I mean a military 30-year military career that's come to an end here. What kind of goals of plans do you have for yourself but a future so when I retired my therapy as I tell people was about five years ago. I started flying crop dusters, which if you don't know anything about the industry everybody last like I know what a redneck profession it's really not it's got to be on the scope of the discussion of this show, but it's a very precise. Adding method of flying, you know, you're flying around in a single season playing by yourself at 15 feet in the hundred fifty miles an hour in and out of the trees and the crops and stuff very demanding. And so for about the last five years I took everybody's Thanksgiving and Christmas deployments at the 160th so I can have my Summers off and come back to the Midwest where I'm from and fly crop dusters. I didn't know that it was going to turn into an occupation. It was more my therapy, you know, I was just by myself for 30 days kind of re case my brain and I went you know, Got back on the on the boat and started rowing and doing deployments again. So when I retired I kind of enjoyed it so much that it turned into an occupation. So we retired from West Point everyone expected me to go to the airline's or you know, go be a civilian contractor go to DC or any of those things that I could have done for a much larger paycheck instead. We bought out the gentleman that I've been flying crop prices for for last couple years. You want to retire that was perfect item. So now we live in a little raw Amish community in Northern Indiana six minutes away from our house airstrip and during the summertime started about may run through October 1st. I go up open the hangar pull out my little turbine power crop duster and the only fly for 10 hours a day and we love it and it's exactly what we needed at the time. It's just very therapeutic. That's not everything has to culminate into a big huge. Grand plan. I often will tell people like oh, how can you do that? You had this this amazing career surely. You've got other plans like yeah, you know, I do a lot of speaking. I've got some some writing projects in the works to keep myself busy during the winter time, but I really enjoy the occupation and I've often told people the reason I can relax and have such calmness I said it's because I got to do everything that a man could ever ask to do, you know, I was privileged to have opportunities and whole bunch of people that allow those opportunities You know, so what else could a guy want to do? So we're very happy kind of with our little bits that we found here and goes into the inner. Yeah, that's very cool. You mentioned are writing project is any of them include a book about your life story here that we can look forward to it is Calvin. I won't give away all the all the details but there is absolutely no chess Beauty in it. It's actually usually a reflection of a lot of very humorous event. That sort of shape the career, you know, a lot of people they just see this all the shiny stuff as I referred to as a career, but really it was shaped by a lot of people that gave me breaks at very pivotal times a lot of outstanding mentors and they just allowed me to take advantage of the opportunities that were presented. You know, there's there is no secret sauce. There was no Jedi knight school or anything like that. It's really just due to a lot of people helping a guy out at critical times that allowed me that the Pounce on opportunities. So yeah, it's gonna be like that. It's going to be kind of a lot of funny stories but relatable and humorous. Yeah, I definitely look forward to that as I do all the Navy SEAL books. I'm like I said, I know that there's always a little gray area with the seals that have been out and on Instagram. I just think it's a civilian. It's such a benefit to our entire society that we have access to some of you guys and be able to get a chance to read what you guys have gone through and they get a chance to follow you on social media. So I just think it benefits our whole our whole community. Here last thing. I want to hit you with here Mike. I love to ask all the dads that I get on the podcast. What kind of advice do you have for that new dad or for that about to be a father who's out there listening? I think for the new dads. What makes the housework and what makes the integration of your you child in your housework is support and Mom and I know that sounds kind of cliche but I realized early on that, you know being a dad is not like the TV shows. Were you just sitting outside the waiting room and waiting for this clean kid to come out if you get in the habit right from the get-go of being an integrated part of the family that means wiping dirty thoughts changing diapers and Mom's up at 3:00 in the morning nursing. You're sucking it up and sitting next to her in the rocker. So she knows it doesn't suck by herself, even though there's not really anything you could do about it, but kind of set the tone for both our relationship as parents and kind of our silent agreement on how we were going to raise the kids which was you know, everybody's going to take part in this and particularly important. If you're you know, if you're married to a military guy or military girl and you got the challenges or any other challenging application. or occupation where they're gone all the time that that builds the foundation of having a durable and flexible family because kids will change everything but in the absolute best way Very well said I love the message. This is a big honor for me. I got to say Mike Rutledge. You are a first-class father all the way. Thank you so much for give me a few minutes of your time. I first class fatherhood. It was my pleasure for having me on the show. Thanks for your time back to wrap things up here on First Class fatherhood. I got to give a special. Thank you. Once again time Michael Rutledge for giving me a few minutes of his time here. That was such an honor. Please set me up on Twitter guys to draw. Me that DM on Instagram. Let me know what you thought about today's episode. 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Episode 289 Michael Rutledge is a First Class Father, a Former Navy SEAL and Special Operations Pilot. Mike served as a Navy SEAL before transferring to the Army were he became a Chief Warrant Officer with the 160th SOAR (Special Operations Aviation Regiment) and finished his career as the Commander of the West Point Flight Detachment at the United States Military Academy. Mike went from Frogman to Night Stalker and recently retired after 30 years of distinguished service. In this Episode, Mike shares his Fatherhood journey which includes 3 boys, he tells us whether or not his kids want to follow in his footsteps, he describes the dating situation of his teenage boys, he talks about how he disciplines the kids, he gives his thoughts on College, he talks about his goals for the future after a lifetime in the Military, he offers some great advice for new or about to be Dads and more! First Class Fatherhood is sponsored by:  REDCON1 - Visit https://redcon1.com Use Promo Code: Father  STRIKE FORCE ENERGY - Visit https://www.strikeforceenergy.com Use Promo Code: Fatherhood  SEATGEEK - Visit https://seatgeek.com Use Promo Code: FIRSTCLASS SAVE $20 OFF Tickets  Subscribe on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCD6cjYptutjJWYlM0Kk6cQ  First Class Fatherhood Merch - https://shop.spreadshirt.com/first-class-fatherhood-/we+are+not+babysitters-A5d09ea872051763ad613ec8e?productType=812&sellable=3017x1aBoNI8jJe83pw5-812-7&appearance=1  Follow me on instagram - https://instagram.com/alec_lace?igshid=ebfecg0yvbap  For information about becoming a Sponsor of First Class Fatherhood please hit me with an email: FirstClassFatherhood@gmail.com   ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 