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Um to get started never in my life have I been so excited to see someone move a piece of furniture guys tonight was the men tell all aka the roast of Luke p and we're talking about it here on The Bachelorette after show you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now let the ladies and gentleman welcome Bachelorette after show here on AfterBuzz TV if this is your first time tuning in this is your weekly recap. Bachelorette we are your first coverage and I'm going to say it were your best coverage on ABC's hit franchise star Hanabi tonight was the men tell all I almost had the women tell all and we're nearing the end of the season things are heating up and we'll introduce ourselves from quick before we dive into our coverage guys. My name is Jeff Graham. I am joined as always. Let me see by the thoughtful Christine Alexis. I love that. Thank you guys with that the opinionated Michael feeling. What up y'all and the maybe not It's humble as she's ever. Been Renee Ariel. I'm sorry. Did you say correct in the hunt, but correct one area? Thank you. Talk about it. We get to the show but guys were nearing the end the season I can't believe that tonight was the men tell all with some format changes Christine starting with you. What did you think of tonight's episode? Well, I think you said it really well on their you're opening it was the Luke the roast of Luke P. I will say I did like that we got that somewhat of a conclusion from last week's episode. I like that we kind of With that I kept my interest going through but then honestly that let the latter half of the show after Luke went was really boring. Ya gotta say for as much as he made me want to rip my hair out. That was entertaining. Mhm. Yeah. How many would you think? Yeah, I do agree with you Christine. I really really enjoyed the first part with the ceremony and then I liked Hannah honestly and the guys confronting Luke honestly Luke himself. Just interesting, but I wouldn't It's a like entertaining just truly fascinating to watch someone calculate and try so hard to redeem themselves while just making it worse. Yeah, what do you think Mike? Yeah. I thought the whole thing was pretty boring be honest. I'm here. You see Luke and it's like well, it's kind of what we expected and whatever and then yeah, he is probably the most entertaining part of the show. Hmm as just as far as hating on him, whatever. He's probably the most interesting thing of all of it. So that after he's done the other guys. It's kind of like, yeah. I did John Paul Jones didn't They all three of his name's probably won't be talking about him. Yeah, it's like yeah, I think for me it's not so much Luke. That's the interesting part of the show. But the way Hannah has interacted with Luke which makes it interesting. I don't know if we've seen someone so visibly navigate and recognize a bad relationship in real time as we have in this season of the show. We've seen it in other Seasons, but to watch this long game Slow Burn of Hannah coming to terms with a relationship. That isn't working is very interesting, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I just think it delivered in the end because it was such a long game and between last week's episode of Hannah confronting Luke and just really just laying it on him and then this week really directly speaking to him again and articulating herself. So well, I think she just did an amazing job. Yeah. She sure did we're going to talk about the amazing job that she did as well as the rest of the episode guys, but we also have some tweeting for the right reasons. Did we send in Tweets? We're doing that now I sent it to Eden. Oh later in the show. We will be I'm just I'm just teasing. Segments for our fans. We're live guy's nuts. That's part of the fun. We watch this show about 10 minutes ago. So we do Jump Right In Studio and we have some predictions we have to talk about that paradise teas as well. So we've got a lot coming up in the show. I do want to start with Luke though, and I want to start with the actual like episode component of the show. So we're in Greece again. This was very interesting. A lot of dramatic. Irony here is on audience to watch the three guys not know that Luke was kicked off and then watch Hannah show up and for the Guys slowly to recognize that Luke had been kicked off keeping Luke out of the picture where you guys is entertained by this reveal as I was I mean Jed going thank God himself. I was dying. I mean they set it up. So well for them all to be shocked. It was great. I loved I loved seeing him just saunter in there just take his fourth place and everybody else was like, alright. Yep still here we go. No idea is great. It was her. Darius the only complaint I have is I wish they didn't even quicker zoom in of Hannah's face. I know she thought the moment we saw her react I think was a little bit later because she went around that corner sooner but they were so far away. Where was the other camera man? No, I want zoom up zoom zoom zoom zoom of sounds like a new like trendy workout fad the thing that's like frustrated like Zumba. Maybe that's why I'm thinking of the thing that frustrated me about this was Was the number of times that Hannah had to say no, it's it can be really tough especially in a franchise that sometimes gets called out for being kind of patriarchal to watch her have to say no 10 times. And then for Chris to ask well Hannah, what do you want here like that that really did kind of pissed me off because it's like I only have so much patience to watch people not listen to someone when they're so clear and Hannah over and over again made clear to both Luke and eventually the Chris Harrison that she wanted him gone. It was interesting and it Powering but I wish they would have just gotten him out of there sooner. Yeah, because he came back and he wasn't saying anything different from what he said that night before and it just felt like they brought him back to just trigger her and I was like actually pissed that Chris Harrison for that. Yes, like come on you're trying to act like you didn't know that production had and waiting there. Like I guess he was playing the ho stroll but I would have preferred him to be a little more real in that moment and just yeah have sided with her and been like this is kind of ridiculous. The producers wanted to derail her again, which is sometimes kind of To watch that's one if you guys watch unreal on Hulu, you know that their motivation is to create the most Twisted reactions. They can have anymore and you could tell what the producers wanted in that moment despite the empowering monologue was to derail Hannah again because then they pulled her aside and they're like, well listen, like he has a ring they were doing anything they could to try to get her off the train of empowerment which that I have to admit that kind of made my blood boil a little bit. That's when I sometimes feel guilty as a viewer of this show because you know that no matter what they're just trying to create the most Dramatic story possible sure, they didn't have to let him back on the set. Hmm. I know yeah point-blank right there a lot of fans actually in our live chat. Shout out to you guys. What's up, if you're listening to us now a lot of people last week and who deemed me separately as well expressed frustration that the producers they thought that they went too far with bringing him back. Hmm. So we're definitely not alone in that. What is all this is interesting Sartre super quick Imani Patrice Lou said on his Instagram that the producers gave him the ring and that he wasn't going to propose. So interesting, if you're saying his Instagram because he had said that and then ABC show down. I'm just reading our thing. I know because he did Luke did put up a pretty long Instagram post kind of explaining why he went back on the TV show to you know, give get some clarity. He also throws a hand under the bus bringing up some things from their Hometown date, but I don't see anything about him saying that the producers David Lorraine they paste and delete action because he's you know, what, Interesting you because even going so far as to like screenshotting comments from fans and putting it on his Instagram story like really doing his whole his own hardcore campaigning here. So it's on his story story interesting medium and taking it down for bachelor over there. Oh, yeah truly because I got five hours of sleep last night. But also, I mean you guys I'm a broken record. You know how I feel about Lou Look, you know I've said from the beginning that I think that this was a toxic relationship we can talk about it again, if you'd like. I'm happy that I mean we'll get to what Hannah said to the viewers and to everyone that opened up about it being a toxic relationship, which I'm really happy. She did because and I mean there was a time where Christine and I were kind of against the two guys because you guys didn't see the he was being manipulative and there was a while where I mean no people weren't catching on to it and the thing is Is why that's so dangerous is because people are getting into relationships like this and you need to see the red flags. So pay attention to the beginning when maybe you weren't catching on to that manipulative behavior and take note for the next time because I'm telling you like there's a lot of people out there like this. Unfortunately speaking of that manipulative Behavior. There was something that Hannah said a bit later in the episode that I loved about the fact that Luke took the statements that they shared about their faith and used it against her as like A weapon and she said people from my faith often do that with these words and it was just like wow, she called out the manipulation right there just plain as day and he did frequently use their faith as a way to manipulate her young gas lighter and it was disgusting. So it's interesting. It's breaking online that apparently and again, this is all hearsay. But the the basis for Luke's perception of Hannah that she wanted to wait to be intimate with anyone in the fantasy suites until after she got engaged was based on What she said during Luke's Hometown. Does that change the way you guys view either Luke or Hannah's reaction to their conversation if she had said one thing and then changed her mind. No because think of how the conversation went down and to be clear. I mean how the conversation actually went down not how Luke tried to make it seem like it went down tonight right where it was it was him trying to control her it wasn't. Hey, let's talk about sex from our hometown date. You made it clear you you Are not having sex like I just want to know because personally I'm a born again virgin after the shower thing whatever but it wasn't a discussion. It was you're not having sex or I'm leaving and then when that didn't work manipulative tactics of toxic people you go back and you're like, that's not what I meant your I'm being misunderstood. No, you're not that pissed me off the most about the episode because he kept conveniently leaving out the last part of him saying and giving her that up to ultimatum of I would leave if the if I didn't get the answer that I wanted. You he keeps saying you're misunderstood know you made it clear as day that that was your breaking point. That was what would decide whether or not you still love this person and that's completely ridiculous. You know, I think he did if I had to put money on it. I bet you he watched that episode and tried so hard to think how he could rephrase it where it wasn't totally lying and try to make himself look better and the fact that it was so bad that he could not save himself at all because we're like it's on television and it was so clear. We're like nothing was nothing could have been misconstrued like he was very upfront about it. Yeah, he tried so hard to twist those words. I'm telling you. I bet he fast rewound around and kept watching it over until he I mean, that's why he sat there for 10 minutes. Sometimes just thinking of what to say because he had I think answers like prepared her tried to do that because that's what calculated people do and to answer your question Jeff. Like it doesn't make me think any less of Hannah because even if she did make some sort of This is like a promise but are just a statement about her intentions going into the fantasy suite. It is her season. She is the leave she has the right to change her mind and make her own decisions about her body and who she wants to sleep with and it's not up to Luke to tell her otherwise, even if he disagrees with the choices that she makes like just her season. She's like, you know, actually I do want to have sex. This is how I want to figure out navigate this relationship. It's still not his place to behave the way that he did and if it wasn't her season, even if she was just some girl and you can change your mind at any a point if you want him saying you want to abstain from sex abstain from sex do whatever the hell you want and don't let anybody. Yeah you otherwise it would have been so much better for Luke to actually just leave, you know, it's like we wouldn't be as upset with him. If he said what he said granted people disagree with his take on that but he's entitled to that take right like he doesn't need to stay with her based on his standards. He is. Yeah, and I think I think he's completely entitled to ask that question. He's not entitled to An Answer certainly not the answer he wants right or Her to act in a situation or any specific type of way, but he's fully within his rights to say this is what I want. Right? And that's what I actually I mean I know I'm going to get hate for this but for me that was the huge breaking point when she was like no I have had sex and then when he just like Renee said try to flip it and all that comes up if he had just been like I respect that and I'm out then I said, alright cool like at least that much but that's when it and couldn't hold him out first. Yeah. Yeah exactly. This is what he's been doing. And from the very GetGo if you watch back and he conversation with Luke, if he at any point said something that he didn't think please Hannah or did something that he that would like backpack them. He would try to come up with different ways to rephrase something or say something new that would make it better. Like I will never forget when she said she just wanted a motion from him and he said he almost left she was gonna be so sad. He went I just want to scream. Yeah like it was is it Home then know what I'm saying. Yeah, we sent up she didn't send him home because he came back she likes and foremost at him home, but then she could have said keep going and she didn't but like in that moment was another example of him like just rehearsing what to do to make someone think that you are changing or certain way and then backtrack because you always would backtrack and people do this. Yeah this interesting. We have a comment from the chat by someone in Laura Palmer. She said I like that the producers let Luke stay for so long amidst all the nose because it shows what the experience is typical for a woman in the current dating climate and you rarely see it laid out so clearly that's an interesting point. This is triggering. Yeah. It was go. Hey, we don't do that. We just don't you know, I actually going off of that. I think that that is a really good point because again, okay. So for instance with this Luke thing, we saw him play out as a toxic person while she decided to keep him throughout the season but seeing him again after she used He sent him home fully said I'm not into you and watching that kind of toxic person refused to leave and respect that you don't want them there for 10 minutes. It's very fascinating because I promise you like for him to have felt entitled to stay there and not listen to Hannah saying over and over again to leave and that's and that's very interesting to watch educational. It is watch out. Laughs. Yeah, I think I think the producers were hoping that the three other guys really started to put hands on. Yeah. I know interesting TV. It's actually got to a fight or something like that. They were I think they were letting them go right to the line because it was even a while before Chris came in. I was like Hey guys, right. I'm Chris Harrison the show it was the or what from tie line and I was like, yeah, okay just him back just hiding behind it was good. So we've been talking about it's not Even if we disagree with Luke or whatever, it's his it's the way he's handling these situations and that's what I said so much during after the final Rose was again and again, he would put his foot in his mouth. You got to let us know what your last night. You know, if I see just it has anyone else feel like Tyler's about that life that just caught me really funny. It was slapped to Luke if there was no cameras on it's so true. I'll be amazing but we kept seeing during Mandela was Luke on the couch putting his foot in his mouth over and over and over again. Getting it taking time to figure out what he said wrong and fixing it like Renee like you mentioned honestly, he I've never seen someone take one step forward and eight steps back more often. Like I feel like he would be like, you know after thinking about it. I do have regrets at all. I want to say is that I'm really super excited about what I did and I think it's the right thing like so frustrating he would almost he kept getting close to having moments of realization or apology and then saying something really frustrating. It's What the guys were saying about him why they don't accept his apology because he says stuff and then the actions don't back it up and we just saw it play out in real time and such a painfully awkward way. I think while we were watching and the trailer I was just like a step away from ripping my hair out. Well, I I pointed this out while we were all watching over. I think that he thought that they'd edit it down. So he didn't think it would be a problem too. Like thinking get the direct quote for whatever news Outlet or whatever is going to go up on social media or whatever. We'll see as long as it sounds right, but he truly I mean that just shows how disingenuous he was. He does not it's different than Hannah because I know I pointed out last week how Hannah takes time to like process how she's feeling. Yeah processing how he's feeling. He's trying to think of the right thing to say, so people don't hate his guts. I never even a because there were certain questions that I think arguably we can all say considering the spotlight that he's in right now and how everyone is hanging on every word that he says because of how potentially offensive it could be that yes. Take a pause but there are certain questions. Like do you want a woman that you can control or an independent woman that she's not have taken that long to answer that. I was actually to do you want someone you can just put up on a trophy case and bring down? Yeah. He thought about that for VAR e was absolutely not I would never like the control a woman right 10 minutes later. I know like yeah. Do I want a America doesn't like when you control for me? No, I would absolutely. Lutely, not and I want an independent the love that I want an independent woman. He did not have anybody coach him on what to do like for this appearance because it's absolutely right the fact that they don't edit. It really dams him a hundred percent is it just it's complete manipulation. The other was to specific moments that we actually all didn't agree on as a panel in terms of what Luke said. So I want to bring them up but one was when he was asked. Is there anything you would do differently Luke thought about it and said no, I Actually wouldn't change anything Mike. You actually had an interesting take on this where you were okay with that. I appreciated that because to me that means that he at least is thinking that the whole time he was actually being himself and that's who he really is. So if he thinks back and if you want to say that he's such a great manipulator if he's going to go back and manipulate the situation and do the right things. Maybe she ends up with him which no one seems to really want. That's not What it is though, it's not. Okay. This is my opinion. No, I mean that if he said he regrets anything it's not making him go back in time. And because s would you change anything? I know but what I'm trying to tell you is that's not that's the question. It does not magically make him go back in time and get chosen and someone that is that toxic of a person and that you can you should want to change and I'm sorry, but it's not it's not okay if you don't want to change and that's not okay that He said he wouldn't regret anything because that means he doesn't see how wrong he acted all season. And to be honest with you how he acted in this last episode not leaving when she said go go go. No, no. No, like we all should be like no no like you need to see that how long that is because that's a real big problem. I think it's wrong, but I don't mind that he would change people not I think up until up until he said the actually right after he said, Talk about sex and Hannah got smiling and happy he was had a good shot. He had a great shot to win this but that's so that's not but again, that's not what I'm saying. It's not about I wish you said the outcome would be the same no matter what the quiz that's not the thing. Okay, so I'm not saying I wish he did things differently so that he wins. It's that if you don't recognize how toxic your behavior is when someone asks you do you regret anything? I don't think it's okay to say no because that means that he doesn't Realize how wrong he was acting and we should not it's scary to think that someone's out there in the world doing this to other people. Oh, I don't think it's I don't think it's a good thing. But what I don't think he has good. I don't think he is good. But what do you mean by it? You're like fine with him saying like, oh, yeah, like I don't regret anything because I think he's being I think that's the most real and honest that we've seen him. Hey don't think it's going on in the show. He's a psychopath would say that just like yours. Of course, someone should want to go back and fix it if they can recognize it. It's like that really is him hit this one person told him just you know, you learn from it. So to say you have no regrets you learn from it, and he just was like, yes, no regrets. I have no regrets at all and that he because he's just a slight you definitely has her. I mean he even said in the same breath later that he didn't lose right when the commercial came out. He didn't like that guy on TV. So and he made a long-winded Instagram statement several saying that he you know, he said in the first one like a doll Things that I've done will continue to be exposed and I'm not proud of who I was so but what do you honestly believe because to be honest, I believe nothing he said tonight, but I don't know who look p is II that's what I'm saying, but I believe when he said I wouldn't change anything because he didn't even think about it. Right that was like a snap call. That is not thinking straight. That's like that is him. Well, I think what Mike is saying is that was the only refreshing moment of him telling the truth because I don't even know if it was I truly don't know if he thought it would come out a different a different way. A I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth. I don't think there is one thing he said tonight that wasn't calculated. I think even in that moment. It was one of those things where you're like, yeah, I was in a bad relationship, but I learned a lot from it. So I have no regrets because I learn because I grew as a man exactly. I think he meant to say that but we're did it wrong and it just shows he just hasn't grown at all and he's not a good person. Yeah. The other point we actually disagreed on was whether or not Luke had the right to ask Hannah about her other relationships in the intimacy. They were having I personally feel like if I know In three days, I'm going to ask someone to be my wife. I have the right to know whether or not she's sleeping with other people. The way or did that any other son? That's what I need to do. You do you think in the context? It's not okay for him to ask about her her private life and other romantic relationships. She's having or I think if you was going to ask for himself, and it was like a religion thing. He should have asked in fantasy suites when the cameras were off because II don't think it's super respectful to daughter. You know, you're on TV, like there's a lot of conversations to be had that probably happen like when the cameras were off during fantasy suites with the other guys, but like Luke brought up at Topic, I mean hands a bit more thought she was slut-shamed really bad. Yeah, just the way she was acting. So this definitely her like not how she was acting. You know, I mean like this it like straddling guys or whatever just like having physical intimacy with people getting shit for it. And then on top of that admitting that she had sex with Peter in a windmill like that shouldn't have been on television, you know what I mean like great for us, but I think that was like her reacting in the moment him bringing. I mean at all, you know unfolded the way it did so good point. Yeah, I agree. I think it's a conversation that they're both entitled to have it. Maybe not on camera. Yeah, I mean ask about the connections ask where you're at. But like if you're sleeping with that other person, I don't know that that could have been asking the fantasy suite squeeze sweet the fantasy suite has a scream but he could still I know if I was hand I probably would have taken pause to that question. I'm like like because I don't think that physical intimacy is going to change whether or not how I feel about what mean you have. It's just two different things. Yeah, so I see it. It's A separate relationship. Yeah, I mean it has to be I think the issue is losing it that way Luke should have never got on the show, right? There's no world in which Luke's moral compass what he you know how he defines his own moral philosophies ever is compatible with the show. There's no I don't know what he was thinking. He's definitely not ready for something like this. I think he never by said the same thing. As I said before he completely has the right to ask it the terrible timing or whatever. Yeah, go ahead and ask it but not entitled to any kind of response or And by what you said exactly? Yeah. That was what It's just tough to watch someone so fickle he doesn't stand by what he says, right and I think in his mind, he believes he's a very strong upstanding person who sticks to what he says but time and time again, we see him as someone who flip flops so, you know, it's funny though is if she said like, oh, of course not like I will not have sex with anyone. Like I want you to stay he would've been like good because I would leave like I think he would then add on to it versus backtrack right had that conversation on differently. Yeah. Yeah, like I don't know. I just hate that. It's so much. Well, let's talk about the rest of the any redeeming moment for Luke tonight before we talk about the rest of the people did anything about the way tonight played out change your mind about Luke. No, because he's not a real person. It's hard to hide in his apology to the guys so fun doesn't really say, I'm sorry. I've noticed he'll say things like do you accept my apology? Forgive me more forgive me, but he doesn't say sorry, which I don't know. I think he did to the guys though. Didn't I he did to the guy he just wants to each of them, but it's crazy how long it takes and I just think there's something about coming out right away. Apologizing because he's not sorry. It's like when your mom's like say sorry to your sister Renee say, you know what, I mean and you're like, you're like ten, you know until like 10 minutes later said you want to be grounded for him. It's like do you want America to hate you? You better say it by the episode before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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And yes, so just from host to host Chris nice job. Okay. So let's talk about Luke being on the stand with the other guys. They went in this was a rose. Who was your guys favorite? What was your favorite Luke roast of the night Connors was Pretty vicious not who came out. First was a Devin die of you. Thank you. That was definitely dumb. I liked it. I liked it. The best I liked it. Mike was anti Devon. I was just like dude. He's just trying to get more screen like this is so bleep hard enough. I had to come in and say something like all right, man, I guess he was but I agree. I think he totally pulled it off and he spread a message that needed to be out there. So I was here for it. I first I rolled my instead he sat down and I was like, okay. Yes, same came out like oh boy, and then I was like, oh never mind. What take it back? Okay, Jeff. You said everything I needed to be said in like one breath before Luke could go into his long-winded pauses of trying to like spew his bullshit. He's like, I'm gonna get ahead of it now and just say for all of us backstage like bro, your flesh. There's good stuff coming through on the chat here. Let me interject. It's by may see see see according to Becca's podcast teca Martinez Martinez podcast with a K Luke and Hannah were dming. The show started and they have the same preacher via satellite. What does that mean? They both attended virtual Church. Yeah, but the dming is what I'm workin Stein. Yeah, but like dming about what yeah because my sister SDI was dealing with other people from Paradise before they got on just getting acquainted. All I have to ask is what good happens in Instagram DMS, but I mean bad stuff can happen to but I think some good stuff. I'm just old that's not a discussion. Sounds dangerous you kids did a couple weeks ago. So are like a couple months ago. You know what though? I wonder if that has something to do with when she said I don't know what I can say. She said something along those lines of like well, I don't know what I'm I can say right now, but she when talking about Luke and like what she had to say to him. So I wonder if she would have brought up anything to happen before you know what I mean? Yeah, so in terms of guys reacting to Any other moments we like to Devon's moment. I thought Connors moment was pretty Savage. But honest yeah Connor was good. I thought Connor in General on this show got a really raw deal. Yeah, his one-on-one time got interrupted by them fighting with Luke out there. He wasn't part of it at all. She came in and shut it down. I mean it seemed like all of them were messing with her when he was literally the only one not so yeah, I liked him get him. Say what about Mateos defensive Luke? It was like Mateo who and is like thank you Mark. Remember what he said? Well, he was just saying like he was kind of commending Luke for being out there and sitting for all of the roasting and being in the public eye and having Chi what he said is I think he's been punished enough righto that part. I think we agreed with that. I agree with because I mean, yeah, he I mean think about all the hate he's already gotten and is getting on social media on top of that is sitting for I heard his Is what is it? Oh my God, men tell all things like two hours long. So sitting there for two hours like just getting roasted. It's a lot. So just to keep taking it. I mean it gets to a point where like we I think we get like truly after this episode. I'm so excited not talk about him anymore. It's just so it's our job to every week. But like hopefully I don't I don't I don't see it happening, but hopefully he'll learn his lesson. I just don't think people deserve to be continued to kick be kicked while they're down. He will be by example. The rest of his life for a long time follow him, but let's not forget this bachelor Cycles going to refresh real soon and I think Luke is going to be a thing of the past unless he decides to throw himself into another season somehow. I don't know but I think it seems like a glutton for punishment. I wonder if he was trying to get on Paradise which is on have him because Bachelor nation has been very vocal about their Justice. Let him back a lot of people from the cast have tweeted like crazy things about him. So I don't know that he would You received the previous procedure on him back to the Rose ceremony. Okay, I'm gonna go with Hannah said the loopy show is cancelled. I don't I after what what does it have any Seasons how many episodes in season 10 two hours each 20 hours of Luke plus this extra two hours 22 hours. I think we're done. We're done. I'm top of that and I'm really happy Hannah made it clear again about like this was a toxic relationship is not okay this behaviors not okay to the point where if ABC did it for the entertainment purpose, they would look horrible because that's kind of reinforcing really bad relationships. But you know what, I mean Cinderella that Hannah kind of like took it upon herself to like apologize on behalf of that and just speak up because people have already come at her for all of that. Anyway Rose in the chat is right. He is a shoo-in for Ex on the Beach that would be fascinating. He will not do MTV. I'm sure that's his line. No way. You can see him being on an ant one of those entities shakes. Well, we'll see him on the chair. Lunch would be legit. That would be interesting because he's very competitive get him liquored up and oh my God, like incent like insanely obsessed with Crossfit apparently because of his Instagram so that hoop right up his alley. Yeah, you look training for this huge CrossFit competition. I don't know why I'm this but well because you know, we're in that we ready guys are we're in it. We have to be. Okay, so we brought up Hannah's response to Luke. She's still very angry with him. That was interesting to see how mad she is. You know, he I thought his apology to her was pretty jealous. Genuine and she took it but did not let him have the final word. She's mad. I think it's understandable. Yes to going to be dealing with the aftermath of this for so long. I'm sure she's just as salty right now. She'll so no this bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I know but I think she's fully aware. Like I think team with the guys on the show like one day every time he spoke. They know we saw him all season do this all season long, so it's not going to be different now, especially since Hasn't said one thing that seemed to come from a genuine place. So I wouldn't want to hear his apology and I'm like, okay. Well, it's for the show and listening would also like I hate you it only means something after the fact like we need to let some time die down we do can I do hope I genuinely hope he learns I really hope he's not an actual psychopath. I really hope that maybe he just needs to you know have a self-discovery time where he like goes to therapy and really works on himself and I hope he becomes a better person. Because why would I wish for one other bad person in the world? I don't want that. I just I don't think he's changed yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not on the phone. So any final Loop, that's probably about it. Some other parts of tonight's AF mental all know why he left the set. I actually do know this he was in someone's wedding and he had to get on a flight. Yeah, he posted Bond that's not excite the shin the show did not paint it like that at all. Did they know this show? I will say did everything. They can to really tell that story that Luke is a bad guy. I don't know it might it might not be the fairest at it. I heard he was told he told people that he wanted to get water and never came back. Who knows if you don't let us know in the comments. Yeah, I would say I don't like Luke but I do think that it might have been five percent against his good. Bye. It's the job of the show. That's what you said before. Okay, let's talk about my Johnson in the hot seat. They are painting him hard for potential Bachelor. Mmm. I'm here for it. It with what we've learned about these other guys, we like I know I've I bet the beginning Mike was by far my favorite. I had a couple frustrations in this season, but overall, I like him. I think he'd be a different kind of Bachelor. I think he's got kind of a goofy giddiness about him. That's especially with a couple drinks. Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see I think it'd be an interesting lead. I don't know if we've seen a lead like him and I think he would have to carry the extra burden of being the first black bachelor and I think he's the guy that could be ready to do it. I agree with you wholeheartedly and Actually, I am it would be refreshing to see his kind of offbeat personality a little bit. I think it would be just as relatable as how hard they tried to sell Hannah to us this year. Like she's a real girl. She makes mistakes just open like I think Mike's that guy too. And I think he's really sweet. He's attractive. Hello. He's got Demi Lovato stamp of approval. I can we talk about that but I think you would be a great representation of the first black bachelor lead this franchise you made a great point off-camera that the casting would be really interesting for Mike because has he is so different and murky kind of quirky and I'd love to see the the women that come to fight for his final Rose. I love the bachelor personally because obviously she's there. Yeah. What do you think look at us go monitoring? I know I will. Okay. So here's how I feel about Mike. I do like him more than most. I hate I truly hate most of them except like Todd this point has been one left. Oh, by the way, you guys update. I read the whole story on Pete and his ex-girlfriend and I'm really sad to say I'm no longer in love with It's really sad for me. It feels like a bad breakup, but I'm off the beach train because I don't like douchebags and he seemed like he was a little douchey little guy that like led her astray anyway as for Mike, honestly, I'd be okay. I'd be okay with Mike and I be okay with Tyler and that is literally it at this point. However, it would be really cool to have the first black bachelor. So like despite all my things was earlier and I still want to live with how he handles it certain situations. Like that would be pretty cool. Yeah, and it's like fucking did it. Stop. Whoa. I think you'd be fantastic and I don't think there's actually a chance because I think Tyler's went in anyway, so I think it's really just him and no one else, you know, we did see some some things on social media kind of showing that Mike is in Paradise. I think we can talk about it. Yeah kind of out there, but do we think that Kind of helps or hurts his chances of being The Bachelor. I hope it helps I hated when they did this with Colton because they had him have a middle school relationship with Tia where he asked to be a she asked her to be his girlfriend then broke up with her a week later as it literally in seventh grade and I was like, this guy's not ready for marriage, but I mean, maybe truly I may be all like fall in love with him if while he's in paradise and be like, yeah, you know, maybe as long as he's not the worst I think he just has to have have a good at it there and not be too messy because someone like Blake who we see is going to get very messy and Paradise after Becca season. A lot of people were kind of, you know, jumping on the blade for Bachelor cia-trained because of how far he went out emotional his connection was with Becca, but now's I mean that's seems like a far cry for him. So micro Bachelor or Tyler see I would be here for it. I mean, it seems like in Bachelor. We just got one snippet of him Sade mic so that would lead me to believe that there. Tony Paradise. Yeah Paradise. Sorry but I say yeah. Yes. Yeah. We'll see question for the ladies on the panel. I listened to some other Bachelor coverage podcasts and they were talking about how if Tyler C becomes the bachelor. He would be the first Bachelor with like real sex appeal like a lot of times they kind of go for like wholesome guy like boy next door and they've never really had like a sexy Bachelor at least in a long time. Do you guys agree with that? Just I was an interesting point and I can't really judge. Well, I mean a lot of people said that Colton was like the sexiest Bachelor today and she said they were sold as sex appeal all the shower scenes and all that. So I feel like we just kind of had that do you mean like he'd probably bone more people. I think well, this was just this pant of this podcast take specifically but I think they say a lot of times they're sort of going for like the sex you can like it's more active more dad energy less like college football player energy kind of hanging literally really cool - yeah, that's exactly what Was it called was like whether college football do you think he had that sort of like jock from an 80s movie type of energy or no? No, he's much better consider merging America just like she seemed very much more. Like I have a non-profit. I love children and I can't wait to be a dad. Whereas I feel like Tyler doesn't have that energy as much. Yeah, I mean listen, I think it would be different because I don't it's hard for me to see Tyler as the bachelor like picking a wife. And like truly having conversations with Chris Harrison was like I just want girls looking like Grill and Chill with you know what? I mean? I was looking for like that girl, like that's gonna be a whole new thing if that's what we experience because I can't imagine like I loved Ben Higgins as the bachelor. I think he was so great. I think it just genuinely seemed like he wanted a wife if Tyler's I don't know if I'd be able to take it as seriously. Don't get me wrong. I'll watch I'll get my wine. I'll get my popcorn and I'll be her every single week, but it's going to be a little weird, right? Well, we'll see. We don't know yet. We might find out some more Bachelor. He could win you still there. Riley's gonna shed Ted co-productions because we're gonna get into some of that to 10 seconds each of you on jpj segment. I didn't know that like there was something going to show him that much love. I know that was that was very interesting kind of a weird choice. I just saw you look learn that he can't talks like this John Paul Jones like like I did my best Why didn't you talk to me that way how to they wanted some like viral fan favorite moment. Like no one's ever going to be grocery store Joe like they need to just stop like no one bad America's not going to latch on to someone the same way. They did with him. I feel the same way unpopular opinion because people do like him I think in a guys, I'm gonna go back saying it's the group of guys. Is this season bar was low. Okay, John Paul Jones was like what they're like, oh my God America's gonna love him. He's so fun. I remember my first thought when he got out of the limo. Oh God, he rehearses and he's trying The fund the comedic relief and I'll see you in there. We were he's the comedic relief. So I think it's a trihard. I like he's no good. He's no grocery store Joe. Even he I think even he was taken aback by how much he loved. He was getting this work done for five minutes. He was very uncomfortable by the end of it. He was doing like the very dramatic hair flip. So he knew like our eminent was failing it. He's fun. Why don't why don't we get a grant? I know I don't remember what he said, but it was a good it was a concern because drop he had a seven-night know. Means no was granted any last thoughts on this stuff besides the t's and predictions that happened during Menthol great. Let's get in quickly to our 20 for the right reasons up first. We have I don't know sweet this is but it's not this was me great. So read me too. Trying to digest everything happening in The Bachelor in Paradise trailer accurate. Oh my God, I don't think I've ever been this excited for a season of Bachelor in Paradise. Honestly, what is happening? We're going to talk about it. All right. What do we got next Ryan in the booth? We are pulling up. This was my tweet from the lovely Hannah Brown and it's a gift of her moving her and it says I move my own Furniture hashtag The Bachelorette. Yes, go you move your own Furniture. Great mom. Meant that was honestly my jaw dropped. So this is my favorite for a while circulating with the face of the production assistant who is having nuggets throat and if you want to find nugget PA, there's a lot of funny Bachelor means I just have the simplest one. Never forget the waitress who had to endure the flying nuggets on The Bachelorette. How about our YouTube so you can see her horrified face. She moved to Hollywood yesterday picked up a random, PA gig and had no idea what she was getting into. It's the best thing I've ever seen and then finally my feeling no, I did not have one. That's all right. We got our tree Michael tweet something on you guys should follow his handles that will say at the end. Do we have news Christina? Do we just want to tie it into no room use this week. I mean, we're still keeping our eyes peeled on jet any developments like that. Actually Haley Stevens did have her first live on camera interview with 80 where she spoke to a ETS Lauren Zima kind of saying that she doesn't wish any bad into anything bad on Jed, even though she did out him. Yeah, which is interesting. I think you know, this is all coming off. Off the heels of people attacking her for bringing it up in the first place. It was a very emotional interview. So you guys definitely check that out. I'll check it out to know your take on that. But again the show is not over so no real developments on that end just just yet. Okay. So for prediction AfterBuzz TV prediction, each of us has about 20 seconds. I want to hear your favorite things you saw on the bi Petey's and any thoughts for the final two episodes of this show. Can I go first please do My favorite part of the be ipts was Demi because she is clearly going both ways. And I'm so excited to see the show really explore that the only previously out contestant on the show was Jamie King. She was openly bisexual. She was a contestant on Nick viall season and is also really good friends with me and my sister so cool. I'm really excited to see them explore that with Demi and of course, it's Demi like she's gonna be entertaining and what was the second question thoughts for the last two episodes thoughts for the last two episodes. Thuds I think we're in for a really really tough breakup with Tyler see I think that she's gonna pick Jed young the end. Mike damning hands down. That's easy. That's most exciting because what daddies will be like one of my favorites forever. So Demi and then I I think it's Tyler. Oh my God, I do man. I think it's Tyler. Yep. Hmm. I am also the most excited for Demi's like love triangles going on and Blake. I cannot wait to see Blake just be the worst. Honestly, like he loved him so much. I'm Becca season. I just can't wait like what what is this guy gonna do because they're saying what that love pain octagon hexagon pentagon, whatever was so I can't wait for that and then I got it. I hate it and I really think she's gonna pick Judd to and I think Peters going home next and then I think it's gonna be Tyler but there is no way and here's another version. There's no way Hannah and Jed Stay Together. If she picks him because I am telling you like if she found out about the the Haley Stephen things. I just can't see based on what we know of Hannah. I cannot see them saying together. So it makes me sad because if she does picked out, I think she's alone but what it means I'll be super fast is that it's going to be a very interesting AFR. Oh, yeah. I'm excited for here for a FR and I agree with all you guys and I predict that we will be here next week for The Bachelorette throw. I don't know exactly what we're doing with coverage will either be here Monday and Tuesday or just Tuesday. I'm not sure yet. Stay tuned. Let you know as soon as possible meantime guys, my name is Jeff Graham. Thank you so much for tuning in. If you want to find me on Twitter, you can do that at Jeffrey see Graham. How about the rest of you guys? Thanks so much for tuning in this week. Shout out to everyone in live chat. I'm your host Christine Alexis and you can keep up with me on Instagram at Christine. I Alexis and on Twitter at Christine being with three he's what's up guys. I might be like thanks for hanging out with us in the chat. We see all y'all here. I love you guys. You can find me everywhere at my feeling. I'll be right back here tomorrow doing love Island for the rest of the week. And then of course on Is it for Married at First Sight? Hey guys, I'm Renee area. You can follow me on Instagram and on Twitter at Renee Ariel, and you can catch me on shared news five days a week. That's it guys. It's ring and see you next week. 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Welcome to the 1st Annual Roast of Luke Parker - here on tonight’s episode of The Bachelorette’s “Men Tell All.” Savage, savage, savage. Jeff Graham, Renee Ariel, Mike Theiling, and Christine Alexis are coming here with all the tea. The Bachelorette After Show: Which of the men will get the final rose? On THE BACHELORETTE AFTER SHOW we’ll fill you in on everything that happens on and off camera on the hit ABC series. Plus be bringing your favorite cast members our panel. Tune in for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes’ group dates, one on one dates, the squabbles and fights AND bonus off-season content like news updates happening in Bachelor nation. ABOUT THE BACHELORETTE: Becca Kufrin believed she had found love with Arie Luyendyk Jr. on "The Bachelor," but when the race car driver changed his mind and broke her heart so he could reunite with runner-up Lauren Burnham, the humble girl next door from Minnesota resolved not to let the heart-wrenching breakup hold her back. When the 27-year-old publicist isn't making a splash at the boutique public relations agency where she works or planning her next overseas trip, she can be found at home hosting dinner parties for her friends. She hopes to find a man who shares her firm set of Midwest values and who is actually ready to commit to her on her terms. 