Hey, I'm Dustin and I'm Steve welcome back listeners to the finest photo tainment in the world. That's right, you're listening to another episode of the wedding photo hangover podcast. We are in a reverent look at photography this podcast like aspirin will help you recover from your wedding hangover. Don't don't don'tDot dot dot it doesn't Steven. So the other week Jen and I were shooting a wedding and I was down on the dance floor again some awesome shots while Jen was in another room shooting details. Well was it details? I think it was desserts. I think that's what it was and I sent her a text and I just said Boss Rush it's pop it off and then saute. So if I'd sent that text to you would you have come running into the room? Room to shoot with me because you knew something awesome was happening or would you have been like WTF and kept doing whatever you're doing. You said Boss Rush Boss Rush. It's popping off and then saute. So how I would have taken that is the the famous rapper Boss Rush is on the radio in the room. You're in. Yeah and groomsmen are sauteing poppers baby. I like this. I like this so you would have come running. That's what I'm getting from this and I would have been like Gonna get some of those wild dance in some mad hip-hop jazz moves to Boss Rush and what a ran to You Stephen I would I ran to you. I believe Jen just text me back was like you're a weirdo. Yeah, I think yeah, I get it. It's weird. Somebody's you know sending you a bunch of text messages about a podcast called The Adventures on about Dungeons & Dragons, you've never heard before and you're supposed to translate that into cool stuff is happening on the dance floor and I should go down there and yeah, Jen doesn't get that and she doesn't run down to the dance floor apparently, but you know, that's just how it is. Next time doesn't you know something we have not talked about yet. The episode we did with Boomerang Gary that was an episode with bringer. Yeah, that was a few episodes ago. Now, we just been we done a lot of episodes in Zen and that was that was our first episode in season 3 of The Wedding from Hangover. We're in our third year. Now the wedding photo hangover, we're gonna throw our people. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't even take a moment to like celebrate. It's like we're all business now, we're running at full force, and we don't even have time to party down. Yeah, we just we want to give the listeners what the listeners want and that's a very serious educational minded podcast. No fun and games here folks. No talk about D&D. That's for certain. Yeah for certain. So dessin now that we're into year three season 3 of the podcast. What do we got in store for the listeners? What are we doing this year? A lot more drinking. Mmm lot more drinking low carb diet be damned and drop the diet. You're off the diet. Not off the diet. Just not not drinking. Hmm. Okay, just not not drinking. Hmm. Notnot. Okay. Got it. Not Dustin. So your three season 3 what can the listeners look forward to what are our big goals our big initiatives this year Stephen we'd like to To do more public Outreach. Mmm like to do more Live Events or at least a live event. Hmm is our goal but we're doing serious stuff. I thought we're doing joke. So we are these jokes. We you're doing jokes and I thought you were serious. Is that what to do? Leave it in a way where it could go. Either way. I wanted to do a live event. I wanted to do a lot where you just were you joking me man. Oh man. Sorry, man. I feel like I feel like Your to season two was about connecting with other podcasters other photography podcasters, right and bringing more awareness to all the good good podcast out there that you know, you guys have to listen to other than our good good podcast to only bring them back to realize wedding photo hanger podcasts is all a fruit really need in my life. You are so full of yourself. I kind of love it. Oh, no just just full of pain gets confidence confidence, and I love it. Stuff it in. Hmm. And I feel like this year what we're going to try to do a little bit more. We're going to try to reach out to we're going to keep reaching out to other photographers another podcasters who talked about photography. We're also going to be trying to reach out. I feel like to other people in the wedding industry because I feel like there's a lot of jokes we made about about weddings in general and feel like, you know, when we're just talking of two photographers will not really hitting it all which is Why you know we had you know, Josh weather's on the celebrant. We're going to have Megan gillikin on a little bit. She's a wedding planner and you know, we want to bring more of that goodness because you know all jokes aside. Those people can actually give us a lot of insight into what we do and how we do it and also they can they can make hilarious jokes about it. Yeah after the Josh where there's interview all I can think about is how I want celebrant on my resume the Title I just want to be introduced at parties get togethers family reunions is like oh, this is my son Dustin. He's the celebrant it just sounds so prestigious yet fun. Yeah. No, I mean celebration man. Yeah, you got to do it do it to it. So doesn't think we should probably slide right into some vowel up. You ready? You ready for? Yes, I'm ready for you to get down on your knees Steve. I screwed up. Yep. So nobody's nobody's texted me about this RDMA. But I feel bad the last week. We want you say something doesn't last week. We had a conversation about how crazy the real estate photography industry is getting and because that story about the real estate agent uploading a photo of himself getting a blowjob felt like just another it felt like just another real estate agent trying to go viral especially because he was like, yeah, Yeah, that was me wink when he was asked about it and he is like but you can't use the photo but it was totally me. I was like Hey, I want people to know as me. I want people to know about the story but I want them to come to them Allah or that the website to see the listing, you know, so it just it felt creepy and weird to me like that. But the thing we didn't really talk about which is why I feel so bad about it is we didn't talk about how incredibly gross it was that we have no idea if he had any sort of consent from the woman. Federal we don't know if she knew her father was being taken. We don't know if she knew it was being uploaded to a website. And so I feel really bad about that. And that's a few people have deemed to see if we had a link to it and we don't have a link in the show notes for that one because I don't really because I don't know her consent level with that. I didn't want to include like a link to it because I feel like that's kind of gross like hey, you know, even though like all the links were like photos were censored and everything like it's Still feels kind of gross to like, you know, put that person on blast to didn't know what they're getting themselves into. I just I feel shitty about it. We don't know. Yeah, we don't know and that's that's why I feel shitty about it. So the unknown that has Stevens conscience just like yeah influx. Did I had a few minutes where I almost just tore the episode Down but I ended up I ended up deciding to leave it up because the the story you did go viral I saw in like 20 different Facebook group. So it's like it's not like we were really at Into like like I feel like everybody already saw it more than likely so or they did now. Yeah. Well, it's no lie. So anyway, Destin, what are you drinking tonight? Now that now that we got the follow-up out where I just tell everybody I feel like shit. So yeah should be man. Yep. I am drinking a New Belgium of voodoo Ranger. Juicy Hayes IPA Stephen first sip of this skeleton Park Ranger beer is didn't like it. Not a fan. I'm normally a big New Belgium fan booty Ranger sounded interesting to me. And yeah don't like it pretty pretty bad, but I don't really like ipas either. So yeah, I was going to say, I don't know why you thought you'd be a fan of it is and IPA and you hey ipas. Yeah. It's Oh, not me though, the more I drink I'm like that's not too bad the more drunk you get the better it tastes. Yeah, exactly. It's funny how that works tonight. I'm just drinking a Buffalo Trace bourbon with a little Coke little whiskey and Coke action over here. That's what you're saying Stephen as if I'd come to your house this evening. I would be drinking that. Yeah. Yeah, you will be poor Life Choices. So for the listeners out there that don't know. I was supposed to be in Indianapolis tonight. I love how you say where listeners out there. ER who don't know like there would be some way that they would have known this like like the any listeners might have known this we could have stalkers. We don't know we could have people back to your phone. And now that's doesn't this supposed to come to India tonight and due to an overwhelming circumstances. He did not end up coming to India tonight know we can we can share the circumstances Stephen. I was supposed to photograph a home yesterday. I fucked up and forgot to shoot photograph it and the realtor to text me this morning and was like Hey, when can I expect those photos for such and such property and I was like oh shit, I never went and photograph that property. So I was like today you can expect those photos today. As soon as I go take them and they soon as they could let me in was this evening when the homeowner got home from work so that put a bit of a wrench in my plans to get down in time to see the great Indiana man. Steven Van out. So G like a cast sheesh. Jpeg, just give them give them over on the spot and just hand them an SD card and walk away. Well, no, so what I did is I obviously had other homes. I had to photograph today. And so I was in the area of where this house was and I had a little bit of a break in between homes and I was like, I'm going to slide over here and see if I can just at least get the exterior done because it's supposed to rain later in the afternoon. And so I got the exterior done and I was like, I'm just going to knock on the door and just see if anyone's help. And sure enough like somebody was home and I was like, hey, can I just like get photos real quick at this house? And they were they were like not completely cool with it, but they allowed it. And because you have to remember they already had the house ready for photos the day before so it's not like they destroyed it. You are not going to be working with this real estate agent ever again is what I just heard they would not probably those people probably called the real estate agent told them how unprofessional you were how creepy that felt and how they felt like they had just been had their privacy violated by you and now Now you will never work with that person again, so that thought went through my mind, but I'm like, okay, if this people never call the realtor yesterday when I didn't show up to tell the realtor like hey, this is really weird. Like I thought you said the photographer was showing up at this time and he never did and being that they didn't call the realtor then to express my unprofessionalism. I thought like okay the chances are good that they probably won't call this time. So I'm going to because my plan was to take the photos and deliver the photos before the five o'clock. Schedule time to do the house. So that way the rulers that wow, you're supposed to do this has two five and you got the photos to be like 505 like you're so fast. Like thank you so much. Like I know that you like didn't get to the house yesterday and you get you know, a squeezed it in today. So you want to set a precedent in that real estate agents mind that you can shoot an entire house in five minutes. Are you even thinking anything at all about this? I know it was a so, it was a danger. It was a dangerous proposition that I was setting myself up for I already realize Steven but then what happens so I send the the realtor to the photos like right after like five fifteen something like that and then I'll please tell me the realtor texted you back was like that's the wrong house. And I know that's not the house that was listed and then you gotta go find out that would have been bad that you just got random house. I've done that before I have done that before that has happened, but imagine the surprise of the person because there's a rental that when I did that and I walked in I'm like, oh I'm here to photograph to your house and like oh, okay. I didn't know my landlord was selling and then like start freaking out. That's like I felt so bad. Geez. That's a story for another time. But anyway, so to end that story about the house of shooting today the homeowner or the realtor rather was like at dinner. So I like email them if I was like sent them the photos that I texted that follow up like hey, I sent the photos because I know you wanted to get the house on the market today and she's like, oh I'm a dinner and then I got a thing for my son like I'll get to it tonight. I'm like, I just like killed myself to like get these photos to you. And why would you do that? Why would you do that now in order to get the Notice to them by after five most people's workday ends at 5 or 4 depending on when they start the relay is about Realtors. Mmm. They're like us they are always working. Yeah, I mean, I do remember when Jen and I were looking for a house. Our realtor was just like yeah. No, I can meet you anytime you want we can look at houses from literally 12 in the afternoon until 10:00 at night if you want and it was a lot it was a lot that is why I will never become a realtor. I feel like a lot of photographers end up going that route eventually when they decide they're done with photography and to me it's just kind of like if you're going to leave this stressful job, where you Work all day long every single day. Why would you go to another stressful job where you work all day long every day. Why don't you you know, just like a job as a custodian working at like a school cafeteria or something, you know, like a school bus driver. Yeah, you don't you don't have a lot of responsibilities, you know, you know, you can just take them all those small children. Yeah. I mean as long as you're not going over any train tracks or across any highways is probably pretty low risk, you know, exactly. That's what I'm saying What are you giving up on beer? Then Steve? Is this podcast going to become a bourbon a bourbon podcast, that'd be great. That would be great. Wouldn't it? You know, I love bourbon bourbon sauce. Mmm its tasty. It's fun so good. No, I just didn't have any beer tonight buddy, and I have any beer but you know, I wanted to keep this loose and light and Sauron. I was coming to visit you and do didn't have any beer in your house. I was going to go buy beer why And you told me you weren't coming anymore, so I didn't go buy beer. And so Steve and I know you have to get too badly. You don't like my beers. So Scarlet Lane. You were like are blood acts more like are extinct face as like it's the best beer in the world. I can't love a beer that you love. That's be breaking my Hippocratic Oath So Steve, I know you need to get to bed early tonight because you have to get up early to order that new iPhone iPhone. Is it 11:00? So what what they're calling it these days. I don't know. I don't pay attention to the news anymore Dustin you think I got time for that? I got a wife. I got kids. I got a photography business. You know, what are you always on in that pocket of yours going to talk about that but your phone we are talking about that's it. It's my Tamagotchi. It takes a lot of work to keep that Tamagotchi alive. You know what I'm saying? Gotta feed it got take it out to play. Well, I mean, I do have six different Tamagotchis. I'm trying to keep alive at all all different times of the day - that takes me back trying to what was that like for me that would have been think fourth or fifth grade, but that was like a thing. Yeah. I didn't have one. My little brother dead. I was too old at that time. I was I was playing GoldenEye on the Nintendo 64 didn't have time. I was sleeping next to where you just gotta worry about Paws Up job till you know feed that was power stoning on the Sega Dreamcast. What were you doing? What were you doing while I was power stoning? Yes. I was playing Powers down. Alright. So for those of you out there the new Apple iPhone launched this week over at the Steve Jobs theater. I love it how they Q you up with all this crap that no one cares about and then We got Alisal Apple watches. We got new Apple watches who wants a new Apple watch. I mean the older I get in the more Apple products and Keynotes. I watch the more. I'm like, there's really nothing to knew about these products. Well, I mean, we're spoiled because in our lifetime the iPhone came out which completely revolutionized Computing we went from we went from laptops and you know desktop computers. Is to We Now carry a thing in our pocket that's more powerful than the computers we had when we were in elementary school and Junior High and stuff like we can do more on this little thing. So to have that thing happened in our lifetime, which is like a huge revolutionary change about like the way we think about computers the way we use our devices the way we interact with the world on a daily basis to have that happen. And now we're in what where the the 11th iteration or so of it where Just literally making this thing better, but it's like it's the 11th time of making it better like this is not a revolutionary thing anymore. So when you say like, oh man to be ya know, I don't want it to be like I want this to become better. I want I want this to be better. Like I want an iPad to be better. I want iPads to become a replacement for our laptops. Like I want this mobile touch fit interface to become better, you know, their iPad announcement was super weird. It was like, Like oh our most popular iPad is the cheapest one surprise. So we decided not to make the iPad Pro better or the iPad Air better. We've decided to instead make the cheapest iPad better for more money. Well, they've been doing the thing with iPads for a while now where it's like, hey, we'll put out like a new iPad in the fall and then maybe another new one in the spring and that will be a different one that the iPad lineup is a little bit different than the iPhone one iPhone. It's we gotta have a new iPhone every single year for Christmas basically like their laptops or like we got to have a new laptops every single year for back to school because kids use laptops when they go back to school. I think we're going to see like iPads become the new we got to have new iPads every single year for back to school because what kids do you know that use laptops anymore and soon the kids are gonna be like, I need a new Apple TV subscription and new Disney Plus subscription for Apple. Eyeballs. I gotta get apple eyeballs. Whoo. Whoo. Whoo is a watch anymore Mom. I need those apple toenails. I need those apple toenails. Mom how our toenails going to help you there inside your shoes exactly where else would you put them? I don't side your shoes. What are you a monster? I'm freaking out right now boy. None of this makes sense. You cannot interact with something under your shoe. Oh Apple figures out a way, man. You're gonna make jokes about things that might exist in the Apple world has to at least be something that could possibly be usable like Okay. Hey Mom. I need another Apple. Can I get peanut butter with that Apple my we're done with us. Nope. Nope. Nope, we're done. You don't get to talk about that 11pro anymore. You're off. You're all done. You're all done. We're gonna move on to our next topic pattern this one up. All right. Yeah, this is what you did. I want you to know you did this with your bad jokes. So can you explain to the listeners? Why the great Steven Van Elk is like completely content with his iPhone 7 or found uses. Oh, but yes to all the listeners out. There doesn't joked so bad tonight that I'm gonna stay with my iPhone 7 now Jen and I were talking about I think I think we're going to get I don't know if she's going to get or if I'm going to get one of us is going to get an eye the 11pro. I'm pretty certain. Oh the add know the the the photo and video looks so so much better than anything before I think we just got to get our hands on it how you gotta test it out. Out I think my favorite take away from the keynote. Like if I was to name one feature that has me excited enough to drop a thousand dollars on a phone is end of the junii videos. You're like a puppy good. He's finally done doing those videos. I'm so glad he doesn't work for that company anymore. He's doing his own things. It would be for the filmic pro demonstration showing just how powerful the processing power of this. Own is with the ability to shoot multiple camera angles at the same time with the phone so that you can shoot a tight shot and a wide shot or you can do what I thought was kind of cool is when they did the interview where you literally were interview like filming the person on one side of the phone and filming the person on the other side of the phone. Oh my gosh is almost like there's this cameras on the front and the back is like weird that you could even can you imagine doing that interview though? We're that could tear literally looking at and I iPhone that's in between the two of you like that to me is just there's a reason why when we do interviews it traditionally in the video world, you put the cameras up over the person's shoulder because then it's like your then they're not in the way like gosh. It's really cool that they can do this. But also it's terrible and you should never do this. But whoop Steven, I'll do it. I guess I guess I guess if the phone was like suspended so instead of being like I line it was like up above like the 4 heads or something because then you have like a semi nice angle where like you're not shooting like from below the chin and making people look fatter. You're actually shooting from a little bit above so they look like a little bit more slight a little more demure and then you can kind of crop that in a little bit if Shooting 4K I guess I don't know. I just I don't like this. I like I just used to campus just used to cameras and shoot over the shoulders just do that. You could use to iPhones and shoot over the shoulders. It's all good. There you go. So Steven and I would like to put it out there folks when he and I both get our it back down 11 Pros. We will be offering a free wedding video if you allow us to shoot the entire wedding on iPhones hell, No, he'll to the no Steve fan-out doesn't do free work. Did I we're not delivering anything. There's no deliverables for free. We're just shooting the wedding for free Steven. We're just just shooting it for free price to be determine for editing or shooting her for free. We're not bringing any mics for not bringing any external lights were just shooting with the iPhones as they are. Or free, correct. Also you have to buy us dinner. It can be at a table or it can just be a pizza. That's brought to a back room. Either one. We're cool with it hundred percent if this interests you let us know don't let me know just let doesn't know I'm not doing this. I don't even care if he is now. Yes gosh now so it doesn't was got you Jazz about the iPhone 11pro. How do you see this changing your life? How do you see this? Changing your business honestly, I mean I want to try and incorporate it into with the wider camera lens. I've been thinking about how I can do more real estate video as an upsell because right now it's like I have to bring my Sony I have to stabilize my gimbal. It's just kind of cumbersome the workflow with that for the amount of money that I can make doing it. And so what I've thought about doing is a lot of people have been switching over to some sort of a mobile like an iPhone or iPad video type system and there's tons of apps and things that make it really easy. So I've actually honestly when I saw this that is the first thing I thought of was like, holy shit, like I could really do real estate video walkthroughs of homes, super simple with my phone you so this something you thought wasn't I'm going out of business because real estate agents will just buy this case. Found and they'll do their own walkthroughs and they won't need me anymore. That wasn't your first idea first thought was I could use this to better my business? Yeah, because Real Estate photographers, they can't afford this phone. I like that because everybody else is coming at this with like a real like I'm going out of business sort of thing. And so I like that you're taking the other route. I've seen a lot of people in different Facebook groups talking about how who's going to pay for a wedding photographer anymore when you can just buy an iPhone 11pro Yep, and that's why why do that when you can just have Steven and I shoot your wedding for free on an iPhone 11-1 run have to buy an 11 Pro will just do it. You know, we won't edit it. We won't deliver it, but we'll do it. If you want to buy us an iPhone 11pro. That would be cool to it'd be nice to have a backup camera. Yeah, you know what you buy and 11pro for a dozen 11pro for me. They got to be the highest sighs. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. And 12 we need those 512s, you know and yeah. Yeah. Woo come book up shoot your wedding. Yeah. Oh that's good to me. What is that? Like a $1,500 found then or I think it's like 1,200 1,200 bucks. I thought the 1200 block one was like the the lowest tier now the highest here now because I'm getting the max with the five 256 gig I think it was like Madrid you know the real thing for me when I see stuff like this is like how does GoPro survive this how does dji's like ozma line survive this I think that's still has a place in the market because these like I think people are still when they're spending this kind of money on a phone. There's still that baby Factor like they don't want to like I'm not going to strap this thing to my bike helmet and go down this mountain or I'm not I'm not gonna You know go skydiving with this thing hanging off my wrist. I don't know you'd be surprised what people do with a strap I guess tonight. I'm not saying there won't be people that do that. I'm just saying that there's still going to be those people who are like, I've got all my contacts and Tinder hook-up sin that phone like I can't lose that I didn't even think about my Tinder hook-up. So what am I going to excite you? Exactly? So that's why they're like, I'm going to resort to my osmo Pro or my GoPro Karma. Yeah. So without further Ado Let's cross over into the drone zone. But even still things like GoPro even still no drown old days. They stop they made the karma. There was some sort of defect with it and they are like, oh screw this week we out. There was some sort of Bad Karma. Yeah. Now this is shame too because like the the footage I saw from the karma like when it first came out was amazing looking. It was a on par if not better than like What DJ I was also put Out of the same time and it would have been awesome to have some like real competition for DJI, but the karma Justin cut it I'm like the flight stuff but the karma also has important part. Yeah, the karma also had like a like a handheld like gimbal for your GoPro like the way the camera Works was like it was literally like a GoPro attached to a gimbal attached to the Drone and you could take that Gamble and go pro off the Drone then and just walk around with it. So it was actually really cool. Well with your DJI you can walk around with it. Yeah, you can't even stopping you from doing that Steve. Yeah. Well, I mean Casey neistat did like a video where he took the gamble thing off and like showed how you could just hand he'll do like handheld stuff with it and like it was just it was it worked great there too. So it's sad but I mean the stuff GoPros been doing with like just their GoPros has been amazing the way they've like made the mics and like the audio better and stuff like that and the ink Camera stabilization like the it's a really good camera, you know or the little pocket thing 12:49 for the 256 and 1449 for the yeah. That's what I thought. So I thought says doesn't we talked enough about Apple? We talked enough about those good good founds what else you want to is there really anything else to talk about anything we can just call it a night. So So doesn't Janet from random Facebook group says I just got paid by a client 4K in cash. What am I supposed to do with that much cash. First thing I do is Hop on over to Steven Dustin save the world.com. We take cash donations that are 100% We will fly to you to get that cash donation and go ahead and jump on there and become a producer of the show. Yeah. Yeah, I can't argue with that. But I don't understand the question. I suppose I just got paid by a client for K in cash. I get paid by clients and cash all of the time. Yeah in 4k in cash like you got a 4K video of cash that they paid you guys. Yes. It's a new cryptocurrency. They said you video of cash. It was gotta be 4K if it's not 4K, you can't really get the detail. So, you know the bit scanners can't detect day. Yeah. Hey K so that in case we get One of those new TVs we have yeah akki, I mean that is the thing once they go to an 8K TV. Then you lose all that cash. Exactly. I just got what am I supposed to do with my cash? You put it in a safe you hold on to it. I don't know dude. I mean he's got paid for can't cash get around to see no, you're a chick to KTM, right? You run straight to Candy manic. You get some some knows below right? No. No do not listen to see this is It's the Florida podcast before the podcast you go shoot you can Where you can get some of that snow. You go Scarface. And oh, man stealing terrible do not do drugs do not do drugs, especially not cocaine or else you'll end up looking like Steve. Yeah, and that's not a good luck. It's a reason we're in audio podcast. Um, what's 4k in cash donate it to your favorite charity, but in the safe go to a bank. Do you know what a bank is you my boat at Banks and you can you can send hey Put this in my bank account and if it's not your bank, you can say hey give me a cashier's check that then I can take that cashier's check and upload it to my bank account, you know using like the the the the the app on your phone to upload your checks or whatever. I mean, that's not a perfect system, but you can do it you can do it. 4K is under the government's limit. I believe I think the limits like 9,000 bucks before they start red flagging you. So you should be fine to just drop that into your bank account. I mean if you're feeling really paranoid about Uncle Sam, you know, spread it out over a couple weeks and the couple down accounts in the Caymans just spread it. Yeah. Yep, just by a laundromat and get such a quarters get that 4K put into quarters and just cycle it through your lawyer machines, you know, you got a lot of people run load that's called money laundering. Wait. What Aki you is that with term comes from? It's when you put coins in the laundry machines. Alright, another question or topic Steve's kind of screwing me up here. Oh hell yeah, it's Crime Time. My brother is stealing my photos that this one comes read it. That's why it can't go in the the questions at the end because you don't let Reddit questions going we've had read it questions in there for like a year now and you're just like no we don't do right at we only do Facebook. So here's a here's a question straight from Reddit. My brother is stealing my photos and putting them on Instagram. How do I handle this? Okay, let me just say what brother is 13, but he has 1,500 followers on insta-kill and he has stolen like five of my actual photography. Pictures and I can't do anything about it because my brother block finding out the only way I have known about it is through my friends showing me his account and recognizing these photos. I just realized this what can I do about it so I can get the photos deleted because my brother won't listen when I asked him to delete it. So no longer are we growing up in a society where people are like, oh my brother's like stealing my clothes or my sisters playing with my Barbie dolls. Now, it's like my brother's stealing my photos and posting them on social media and blocking me. So there's literally nothing I can do. I mean you're going to just have to sue him for intellectual property theft damage efforts you steal another one of my photos. How is he getting your photos? I think would be my first question Jeffrey. How the fuck you get this photo Jeffrey. Yeah, you didn't block me Philly. So I'm just screenshot it crop it and I worry upload it, but I got actual followers. So you're going to have to just suck on my ding-a-ling. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa, Jeffrey. You're 13. Whoa. Tinkling is the name of my yo Mega. Yo, yo, let's not get carried away yogurt. Yo Mega. Yo, yo, you didn't have a you'll make a yo-yo. That sounds like Yoplait yogurt is that is that you'll play the sounds like yell play. Do you and I forget how young you are. You missed the yo-yo generation. Yeah, I guess I'm just not familiar with yo Mega Man, there was Duncan and then there was the Omega. It's okay. Yeah. So now I think Johnny cool yo-yo tricks with your Ding-A-Ling you walk the dog with your day going. You've now told Philly to suck it. I don't feel like Philly is gotten any closer to getting those those those pictures taken down though. So I think really the best solution you can do is just start taking photos. That would make your brother lose followers. Should he steal them? or start stealing your brother's photos and posting them to your account. You know I'm saying or just steal your brother's account. It just hack his phone. It can't be that hard. What is it his birthday ask him if you can share accounts, who's your brother's Crush just ask ask your brother what is crushes and that's probably as password. Now, you got it, you know, then, you know just tattle go to go to Mom and Dad and tattle. I wish we knew how old the person asking the question was tattle go to your parents and tattle. That's all you have to do is like seven. Person asking the question is on Reddit. He's a seven-year-old. I was so much brother better than Jeffrey at the internet. I don't understand. He was stealing my photos brother it 13. What can this is? No recourse for this Jeffrey Jeffrey you son of a bitch. That's our mom Philly. How dare you say that about our mom? I think I still go down in the record books as my favorite thing. We're playing Phase 10 around the dinner table at a family gathering and I was doing rather good for those of you who play Phase 10 and my mom just screams at me. You are such a son of a bitch just like Mom and you ain't right at her and you said yes, I am. She's like you don't have to say wink while you wink Dustin we all get it. All right. What else do we get? I think we answered that one John for random Facebook group wrote anyone else finding their adverts deleted on loads of bridal Pages. I've got Facebook investigations who's doing this because mini page admins say they've not he's literally posting that his services are for sale on other people's Facebook pages and in their public groups this guy John and then he's wondering why people are In them this guy goes on to say in the comments when people suggest that it could be other photographers reporting him for spam or that photog admins in those groups might have have removed his post. Yep. Then this might come under antitrust laws to deliberately to deliberately sabotage company advertising in this way. If that's happening to me Facebook will find it and I'm sure they'll have something to say about it. It could actually come under some sort of against the law thing too because Facebook is a public forum platform and not a private publisher site. And then he goes on to say there's a lot of stuff kicking off with the Google group of sites about publisher versus platform because since 2016 these sites have all become Hillary Clinton. Infested in Silicon Valley have been gearing up to be very biased against Trump for 2020 its antitrust laws. So Dustin it was there. Was there a question in there? No, this is just a little batshit crazy thing. I've seen on the internet and a while have you have you have you noticed people deleting your adverts off of their Facebook pages or out of their Facebook public groups? I can't say that I have I do get a plethora of individuals that feel the need to tag me on their Instagram post that I do not know and so every day I wake up in the morning and I go through and Block and delete and Report their accounts for that. They're just trying to get more reach bruh. They're just trying to get my reach bite you why you why you why you never in the reach because that's what I do Steve. I'm Nerf. I'm Nerf gun McKibben over here. You know Instagram is actually a public forum platform and not a private publisher site. So I think that could fall under antitrust laws if your I'm nirva their reach McPherson her. Eh, that's okay Steve. I message them as soon as I do it and I say your reach is just been derived. So I might have gone through in this random Facebook group and I might have when this guy said that this comes up under antitrust laws because they're deliberately sabotaging his company advertising. I might have I might have instead of liking his post. I might have put a laughing emoji up. But it's on this on every single thing that he wrote Because I found it so funny because he doesn't understand that Facebook is actually a private like their platforms actually private not public because public you'd be able to search it on Google or Bing or all those other platforms, but you can't because it's not public. It's it's a locked private thing. So I laughed at all this stuff. That's what I thought when you when you were saying that it was public. I was like, I thought this was a whole big thing that came up a while ago. Go about them being what it's reading off this crazy person things. You were like, oh cheese Doodles are Steve's thoughts and opinions. Steve thinks that the Hillary Clinton gangster infested. You're both groups exactly going down about those gangster groups. Hillary Clinton gangster groups get it right come HCG for sure, you know what I'm saying? So, Long story short, I lay left the laughing emoji and the sky blocked me and then wrote on the post. Why is Stephen fan Uncle a phenol at all this I don't find this funny and nobody said anything. There's just stayed there in this random Facebook group, and I only know this happened because somebody pointed it out to me, but it's just cracking up because one person's wife me. No listen, like one of those Facebook wedding photography group. Groups that has literally like 45,000 50,000 people but here's this big thing when you go into like a public group and you say hey, I offer these services that doesn't work as an advertising method, which this person is doing that. I don't know why that that's literally I've never seen that work for a single person where they go in and leave like a spammy post and somebody else. Facebook group saying they offer their services and it especially doesn't work. If you put it on somebody's Facebook page because on their Facebook page, it doesn't even show up like in the main discussion. It's like you have to click through to what is the community saying about this Facebook page to even see it. So it's like double hidden there and it's just like your Facebook page already doesn't have any reach and then for people to leave something on your Facebook page that you didn't write it gets hidden. Even Beyond how much your Facebook page is already hitting because Facebook hates businesses. And so this guy's like complaining about all this and it's like nobody. Nobody has a heart to tell him like stop like this doesn't matter. Don't do it like just move on and I didn't have the heart to do it either obviously cuz I'm an asshole but I just left laughing emojis. The dust is bright you Joyce. How would you advertise on Facebook try to bring in some new some new clients? Would you go to the Facebook groups? What are you doing targeted ads to engaged couples attributed ads to Hillary Clinton gangster infested couples engaged couples. Yeah. Do you want to move on to some actual questions some actual questions some actual questions? So that big guy Steven get to bed soon big daddy, you know, we still haven't talked about Scylla luminar. Have you finally downloaded? It's caelum luminar for know there's a better show notes forever. I think we even talked about it on the patreon and you were like, I'm about to download that and see what it does still haven't done it. It's got only one are for has a thing where Auto replaces the your skies for you in your photos. So if you have like a blown-up sky Just got this note. It's just cool. It's just cool. I know you love knocking out those skies and putting fake clouds in I have the I have the earlier version does the earlier version knock out those guys and put those fake clouds in for you not. Well. Yeah. Well I deleted it. Yeah, so, you know, you only want to take those boring Skies Jazz them up a little bit doesn't McKibben style without paying that doesn't make him an added in money that he pays out, you know, and you know myself maybe get that skylon luminar for What you're doing you doing your Sky Replacements all on your own now. I do all my editing real estate editing and house now. Because you're editing company screwdriver or whatever and it just did it again. I sent a house off yesterday and new realtor. So I wanted to wow them with really good clean edits, baby and still haven't gotten that it's back. How long did you tell the real terror attack? I mean I edited them myself and sent them to her because I wasn't going to make the same mistake. So I intentionally edited them all myself, but then sent like 15 of them to the editing company that had like a lot of mixed lighting that that's like what they specialize in is going in and like color correcting all the mixed lighting and making Color cast on walls and stuff. I'll blend and look good. Yeah, nope. Nope. Nope. Nope adding blue skies out the windows on an overcast day. I'm sorry buddy. So you just you fired this editing company. Now you're moving on you don't work with the Australians anymore. I've kept the Australians from my life sad that said I really have to keep all the Australians for a patriot. Yep. Let's they want to edit real estate photos for me. You keep doing this until you get it, right? I don't know how many times I have to tell you people anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. It's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Anchor will this Jerry your podcast for you? So you can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can make money for your punk ass is everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor a poor good anchored out of em to get started. Please get started right now. Do it again. Let's do some Q&A but but sticky but I did I did want to acknowledge. How do we pronounce? This guy's name garagas bot or krung garang. I think it's going bad. Growing bat Greenback. Yeah, yeah nailed it knocked it out of the park. Got it in one bat front grain bat from our very own Facebook group asked if Stephen or I what our thoughts were on Smart albums new pricing structure, but before I get into that I wanted to thank him for trying out honey books who hopefully will actually be a sponsor of our podcast someday someday some point. I'm cutting that part out. Thank you. But it's just the goes on to say that it seems like everything is switching to a subscription model these days. I didn't know I know you and Jennifer own your own editing company, but I didn't know if you used anything for albums such as smart albums. We do not now. So we use Fundy. So I've never looked into smart albums spite of them's is like a company. That helps you design your albums, right? I think it's just like a fun day, but it's web-based. So you up like I'm sure they have an option like a premium type thing that they'll design the album for you, but I think it's just like you drop your photos in and then it like auto-populates spreads based on sizes you input just like Fundy. I think I have no idea. I don't know how any of this works. Sorry. I'm sorry. I failed you. It looks like based on the based on the thing based on the screenshot. He sent us it looks like they also maybe you're trying to encroach on like pass and picks and find like those kind of things was like maybe Cloud proofing or maybe that's just like proofing the album's probably just proving the albums and then it looks like for the Premium plan you can get like slideshows mean looking at this began this pricing structure seems alright, I mean to L've dollars twenty four dollars a month. That's not a big deal. Right if you doing a lot of albums, that seems pretty decent you I don't I don't do that many albums. So what I like free, why don't you do more albums Bud? Oh, I do a lot of albums people pay for the album's with their wedding packages. They just never order them. Okay. And what is it? What does that mean? You you design a lot of albums in this is save you a lot of time but then people signed order them. No, I don't design them. So how our packages are set up Steven is you get an album with your package, but then I tell them it's on them to let me know when they're ready to do the album. And then I send them a link on how to pick the photos for their books. That's a lot of work Steve. And so a lot of them are like I'm not going to do it. And so then no album ever gets made. It makes me really sad. I typically send a follow-up in like November time so that they don't Ambush me like right before Christmas and say I want my album isn't that how it always happens out. You're like, hey, you know, you can get this album or whatever or you know, I'm going to give to you like a freak. Have this or something like that and they don't care and they don't ever like pick out what they want and then like a week before Christmas. Like I need this and I need it by Christmas day. It's imperative you like but it's too late now like Santa ain't making these albums I am. Yeah. Well, I mean that's because I don't believe in Alpha labor. You know that your work your Santa pay your workers. Thanks. Yeah, there's no follow-up on that. That's true. That is true. I mean he thinks because they use magic that he doesn't have to pay them like come on. Come on Sam. Yeah, you know, I thought it was a decent guy when I was younger, but he's not he's just not then I just don't feel like enough people are talking about how much of a piece of shit saying. Gets and then I'll do it for us tonight guys from Cody Wiseman in our very own Facebook group. This question comes straight from him. Okay little situation at tonight's a wedding. I normally eat off away from the rest of the guests, but this couple insisted that I just eat with everyone else and they were not putting me off to the side. I felt weird about it. But okay, I'll go with it. Well, I'm An American in England. So Everyone likes to ask me questions. Well, there was another American sitting at the table from New York and of Indian not Native American but like actual India descent. She told me she was from the states as well. And we started talking all was well until she asked me how I knew the couple and I told her they reached out and hired me she goes on acting as if it was weird that they bought my food and I told her that was normal. She then goes for the photographer to sit with the guests is not normal at this point. I understand what she's And I told her that no. But from time to time the couple's insist and I'm not going to push the issue knowing I'm from the south. She says since you're from the south you'll understand when I say, oh bless your heart. WTF then she doesn't say another word or look in my direction for the rest of the night. At first. I thought it might be some sort of cultural thing as I'm the hired help but there was another person from India there and sitting at the table and that person was just fine and Cody and this person talk for the rest of the night. Cody says I wanted to say oh honey. I'm sorry that you got put at the table with the hired help, but sometimes that's just how the cookie crumbles that's what I would have said that would mean awesome remark and Cody wrote read with town. Does he mean like Jim Carrey in the movie? Bruxelles Money? Sometimes that's just how the cookie crumbles grumbles? Okay. Let me hear your Jim Carrey. Give me some juniper. I thought it was Anchorman was an Anchorman where they're like doing the different sign offs for the news and that's just how the cookie crumbles. I like that I like. That was that was that Will Ferrell. Give me your best Will Ferrell. I don't really do above Will Ferrell. Is anyone does anyone I could maybe do a Run Nike and I don't even know if I can do it Ron Burgundy. Well if I hope Place Ron Burgundy Anyway, let's get back to this. Let's get back to this the real questions Cody. Just let it go. But man it rubbed him the wrong way anyone ever get anything like this where they feel like they're being treated as lesser than yeah all the time all the time on this podcast with me Dustin feels like he's cheating every week. That's why we've started going on other podcasts just so that I can feel a little bit better about myself. No, I mean you got to get that love wherever you can get it buddy. And you know, I'm not gonna keep you I'm not gonna hold you back from getting that love, you know, you got to get it even if it means that, you know, you're you know, two people one Mike I will Release the name of that podcast when it comes out people one Mike. Mmm. That's what we're calling. Yeah. Two people one microphone. Yeah, it's dirty as you'll see I use it as a podcast that you guys coined on this podcast. I think I don't remember what which guessed it was. I'm sure you remember but now when I do the couple with the veil I go under the veil with them and I say, you know, I say bridegroom - how do I say it? I would love to hear this. Come on. Tell me. that's like I don't remember three people one day they'll all different people in one heart. Let's all kiss after I take the photo. So what you do? I think I think that was what one of my halves it going. Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah. You should be doing Jingles. It's gonna be a freaky time tonight. Why did you ask me to do your intimate shots after the wedding was over just climb under my veil with me and him and him and her it him. It's good to be a good time tonight. It's a cathedral veil tonight and we're feeling All right. Oh, I like that. It was good. Yeah. Yeah, man, I don't know what overcame me. I just I felt the spirit move within me the spirit of the veil. I believe it was seriously the veil. Oh, you know is the ghost that throws a veil up when you need it goes to throw the veil up when there's no wind. You know, those those goes photos gotta love them. Yeah, so I felt this way a few times and it typically happens going back to what Cody asked about feeling lesser than or feeling like you're treated like the help Cody didn't ask us to break into song. That wasn't what could have. I mean Cody Cody was begging for that every every person who asked the question of this podcast is begging us to break into song. They're like, I want dessen's really really good singing and Steve's very very poor singing and I want to mix them together and it feels good in my ear about The and your yeah, so trying to make the cross over into radio. Yeah. So the thing is typically when I feel this it's when I'm at a wedding and someone doesn't refer to me by name. They refer to me as photographer even though I've introduced myself to them shook their hand and you know talk to them for a little bit and then they say photographer and they snap at me and then when I finally turn around and I'm like, oh, I guess this person is talking to me like they would talk to to a dog maybe they whistle and then they hold out some treats and it's gets real weird van. They gets real weirdo. Like sit sit bag bag and the come up with the leash and they hook it on your belt loop is that when you can concern but basically anytime somebody refers to me by my job title as opposed to my name and then snaps at me or claps or just something else like that. That is terrible. And no no no. No, there's nothing that screams hired help more than a name tag. Nobody wants to be seated at a table with the hired help doesn't come on bless your heart. We haven't had any parents or brides and grooms who have been sort of treated us like hired help the thing. We've struggled with a few weddings so far. This year is the bridal party the Bridesmaids. And specifically they could just really give a rat's ass about us. And I don't know if that's like an age thing or if that's a I don't know what that is. But yeah, they just it was like pulling teeth to get them to care feel like they cared about being in the wedding. So I've sent them a YouTube link to a YouTube channel. I follow called best bridesmaids. I was hoping that you know that Encourage the rest of our bridesmaids to shape up a little cutting that out. Okay. What do you want to say can't cut out all that sweet content Steven I can cut out this week content when you refer to something. We don't do anymore a defunct YouTube channel, you know Steve from random Facebook group has this to ask though Destin photographers who use presets. Do you prefer Cheetos skin tones or Doritos skin tones asking for a friend because fall is coming. Is that really how you refer to skin tones is by your favorite chips is not me. This is a random Steve not a Steve an elk. Pretending to be random real Steven Van. Oh not even a real Steven Van out. That is correct. That's interesting way to put it though because I didn't I would never really think about editing in terms of chips. But now that's all I see when I think of different photographers editing Styles when it comes to skin. As way that person's Dorito dude. Mmm. I mean I prefer like a harvest cheddar Sun Chip, you know, that's what I'm going for. I'm going for a good old. Classic Pringle. Mmm. Nice / V / - Yeah Yeah clean and white really? I like the rumpled look have the Sun Chip p.m. I like that. I like the the the cheesy orange - I think it's a good look the old trumpster. Yeah. Yeah good. Does it get any better? You know? No. Yeah, maybe doesn't I mean everybody loves a Chester Cheeto, but it's true. He's going to turn down the Sun Chip. That's that's that's the sun baking those chips. It's heavenly The Heavenly honest mmm Rebecca Elliott from our very own Facebook group ass. I've seen this topic come up in a lot in my local market, but not sure how it translates across the us or internationally. Do you share images Watermark or otherwise with vendors? Cuz I'm doing it. I'm in my fifth season six if you want to count my single wedding for sheer of weddings, and I've never done any marketing / advertising this year. I started posting to ig very irregular. Early and keep telling myself. I'll finally start a blog but I haven't yet. I shoot about 15 weddings a year on word-of-mouth and another 15 or 20 is a second shooter. Usually I just share images with vendors who asked but this season I've started creating vendor galleries of web sized Watermark images and sharing them with MF and everyone. But I'm too impatient to see if this of this is a viable tactic for referrals. So have you done it? Do you share your photos? Is it worth the time it takes to make the extra gallery and hunt down email addresses? It's something we've thought about I know you guys are really good about doing this. I can barely remember the vendors two weeks after the wedding. We get all the vendor information from the bride and groom ahead of time so that we have who all the vendors are and we don't share with everyone like right out the gate we share with the bride and the groom and if we worked with somebody like Planner or somebody who asks for the photos or just the plan are we know will share with them? We worked with somebody who asks for the photos specifically we will share with them unless they ask him like a really weird weird way we might not but I can't think of a time when that's ever actually happened. So but we don't we don't Watermark our images when we share them with people. I don't know. I just I I personally don't like the way watermarks look on images. I feel like they look really bad. So and I feel like it D values your content because it turns it turns your photo which you're hoping somebody will share in tag into a marketing photo for yourself, which I see the value in that but what I don't see is other people wanting to share those photos when it looks like a marketing Ploy for yourself, so I don't know I just plus I just feel like it ruins my image when I see like my Watermark on the image, so I'm not big on this but I don't think it's gonna hurt. I don't think you know, I think doing the legwork chasing this stuff down. I think it could only help it's not like anybody is going to be upset about this or angry. So I think it's very nice thing. And we're all about being very nice people here at the wedding photo hangover podcast. Where the nicest people perhaps? Yeah, doesn't what do you do? I give people whatever they want Steve. However, they want it whenever they want it. 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We'll see you next time your head is pounding your limbs feel like dead weight in your entire being aches for the sweet Embrace of death. That's right next. Sunday after you shoot another wedding don't don't don't yeah. Yeah. Yeah what you're bringing look like. You're pretty busy. I'm leaving in six hours to head to Indianapolis who snap six hours. Why are you leaving so early in the morning? I'm waking up in six hours. I am sad that alarm back an hour or two. Trust me wink all we want we want to hit Ikea to get Crap for our house. Skip Ikea wink and then green wants to go to the outlet mall, but you guys are going to be shooting a wedding them the next day. What are you gonna do just have a bunch of Ikea substitute sitting in the back of your van while you're shooting the wedding like this is a terrible idea. If you're planning an Ikea trip plan it for the trip home not for the trip there. Well, this whole trip was orchestrated around me coming to Indianapolis tonight had this already been prearranged that Weren't coming then. Yes, we would have come down shot the wedding and state Saturday night and done all of this stuff on Sunday. Yeah, but I planned on staying tonight and then crane was going to come down tomorrow. We were going to do all these things have a fun little Day in India without the kids and then shoot the wedding then mean that I always get stressed not being an indie the night before wedding and then D because of the driving Bindi. Yeah. Now it's a big it's big trap. I understand because we've been in situations where all it takes is we don't get out the door in time and then there's an accident and then there's this woman creeping up on us just my wife. She takes your phone from you at a certain hour. Yeah, you know how it is with you time's up on your phone Steve, and she can't find the remote for the TV and the TV just her found died. So the TV just started playing pretty upset that I didn't come tonight. Super upset. Just lost. Yeah doesn't thanks so much for recording with me tonight, but we should call it a night. Good. Bye. Bye. Hi, my name is Dustin McCammon. I'm a shell for honey book now. I'm a shill. Hey, I'm Dustin McKibben. Have you seen my code for honey? Look I have a code wedding photo hangover was edited this week by Steve Van out of bespoke tone go to bespoke tone for all of your photo video and audio editing needs whooee.
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