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I am Starstruck right now the world to do it myself. This is The team is back together and we have a special guest. That's the Cobra Kai AfterBuzz TV team with mr. Mariko. Welcome to Studio man. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Just learning all about this world. Yeah. Yeah, you were talking about the you know the difference when you were brought like the original Karate Kid and now promoting Cobra Kai and just the difference of the press. Well it back then I mean I was doing Cagney and Lacey I didn't even have time to run off when they came out with the movie. I was on some other project in Eugene, Oregon and I all I remember is you know, Ralph did press and And Pat Morita did some press and John avildsen did some but it was really interesting because when the movie premiered my at the time my wife saw it with my son and I said well, how was it? She saw its great was traffic. It's a great movie, you know, and I said, how was I and she said you're okay is critic for sure. You know, that's all I knew about the movie because I was doing a series and then went off to do this movie the week and and then after a while it just you know, it seemed to be so important. I think years later it became so important to so many people as time progressed in you heard these stories from people, you know, it was just a well done movie with the terrific script and how long after the original one came out. Did you actually see it him him as a while. I think it was about three months. Really? Yeah. I was up in Eugene, Oregon doing this picture. With Brian Keith the time and it was the 84 and yeah, I didn't see it. I mean it wasn't around and I was working with shooting nights with an action thing and I would say two to three months after the premiere in on Hollywood Boulevard. I would see it. You know, I really liked it. But I you know, I didn't know would move so many people so you didn't attend the premiere. Oh, no, I didn't tell you to come back for it. I didn't I didn't come back for I don't No, why you know, it's interesting to think back what was going on. I just couldn't get out of this one moves ER and like now I was able to, you know doing a film called VFW in Dallas and I was able to things have changed I was able to not only go to the premiere while shooting the movie then go back to finish the film and then go to a convention in Washington, then go back to finish the film and then go to a convention in Dallas and Last week we flew in the morning Billy and Ralph and I in the morning on Saturday flew to LA to do an Emmy event and then flew back in the evening to finish the Comic-Con. That's a world. That is cool. This is a whirlwind, you know, this is the world of being a superstar the digital age digital age. So you are one of the toughest tough guise of all time. You've been working playing action roles for what 40 years now. Yeah. Yeah, and the icing on the cake is that season 3 has now been greenlit of Cobra Kai. This is the most it's the most watch premium digital series ever and we have a third season coming up pretty soon. So congratulations to you excited about it. Thank you. Yeah, you know, it was brought to me and it was written, you know, parrot analytics declares this the most watched, you know digital show on the planet and your only competition or network its game of throne. So that was really just you know, since I Love Game of Thrones that and so does everybody else that that was great to have that as your competitor. Yeah, you know and it's a pleasure to be part of something so well-written thanks to you know, Hayden schlossberg and John hurwitz and Josh Hill, I've told the story many times where they persuaded all of us, you know about from Billy first and then me to come in and heh, Episode 10 on for myself on season one to set up season 2 and they knew more about our characters and we did I mean they just knew everything and even when I came up with suggestions, they already had it. Yeah, right. Yeah, I want to do back stories about Vietnam and talk about how Cobra Kai got its name and why I was so uptight about you no mercy for the weak and all they had it. They just had it. You know, they knew it and I have legal papers full of notes that I worked with on I met with some Army Rangers and you know because that's what he was in Vietnam and they had they thought about all this already, you know, so it's such good writing, you know, I haven't worked with such good writing since the days of Cagney and Lacey since the days of doing the initial movies all three of them, so when they met with you and were, you know talking and obviously I mean in / to persuade everyone I mean first What was it? I mean that persuaded you guys all to come back and has that been a pitch to you guys in the last, you know, 30 years never is a series everybody has an idea about how to do a sequel another sequel to a hit movie. I mean whenever whenever you you know, I'm a big Western fan. So whenever someone pitches me an idea about a buddy movie, it's just like Butch and Sundance, right? Exactly. It's like Lethal Weapon It's really Lethal Weapon meets Butch and Sundance, you know, and That doesn't qualify anything sure, you know, the written word is what it is and they were very persuasive but they were really intelligent, you know, and whatever they have expressed over this. I guess it's September. So this September will be two years that we had that initial meeting and whatever they perceived has happened what they said was going to happen when the show aired. Code 10 season one did what happened in episode 1 season 2 based on season one did all the you know, the the carryings-on about John Kris and all and I had no idea that he was he just meant so much to so many people whether you love to hate him. I hate to love him. He's a very interesting character, you know now he's interesting because they riding him with versatility there writing him with all kinds of Texture and color and even more in season 3 and that's what's so fun to play. It's not fun to play just a stoic tough guy from Karate Kid 1 where can you really go with that? You know what me speaking of which you know the Arc of your characters. Now as you're saying really getting to be fleshed out we're going to really see this whereas in 1984 that grim look was was the character right? It was like a cart almost like a cartoon villain. He was in culture. It's become that characters face has almost become like what it is to be that guy. Bye and so for you is it fun to get to for 30 years be thinking about the back story of this character and now actually see it to realize it to guess. I mean, it's really an actor's dream to be able to do all of that. But everybody knows your Basics, you know, so many times you have to really create let's say a show for the audience to see the you have to create character one two, and three within yourself. So they see what your personality is. All about here the world knows where he's coming from, you know, he's coming from a dark place and now we're finding out why you know, which is really interesting. It's like my favorite bad guys were probably Klaus Maria brandauer German actor in in one of the bottom movies and stuff on Waltz in Django, you know, these were like oozing with charm beasts. They were the best and you know, Anthony Hopkins the you know, and so that's interesting to play and it's be great to know and learn a lot more about this, you know stoic but people quote as a monster from 1984, you know, do you like the sympathy the sympathy that your character? I mean people are like, oh man. I actually I feel for him now knowing what he went through and I asked you don't want to I feel for the character and I don't want to feel for the character. It's much more complex. Well, it's interesting because When we went to Austin and we did a world premiere at the Austin Film Festival South by Southwest there. And every time I came on every time I came on we should have several episodes. There was I mean, it was amazed every time and as an actor, I wasn't even thinking dark thoughts. I remember as because it wasn't so long ago what I was dealing with his an actor at that moment and then it and it wasn't it wasn't. It manipulates if it wasn't like on it wasn't Vengeance. It wasn't you know self-centered. It was something else totally and yet the reaction from the audience. Like I'm really ready to pull down, you know bomb the World Trade Center again to something terrible, you know, you previously mentioned. I know you had a quote that you said like kids used to come up to you after the original and a couple of the you know sequels and say, oh you hurt Ralph and you enjoy kind of being that like Darth Vader villain What is the reaction from this generation, you know and they do a good job in the show. We talked about this at length that you know being politically correct? And they kind of shy away from that at certain times. How does the politically correct and like, you know, the Millennials and gen Z view your character and what's their reaction that you've seen today? It's very humorous. There was a Tweet someone tweeted a picture of Thanos. Yeah, I picture of the Ice King and a picture of me. And in the tweet it said it said the world I can't use that language with the world is messed up in April and and then you had the picture of the three of us like the darkest characters in cinema overall together, you know coming to your television or in your movie theater in April. Yeah. Yeah, if you had a dollar for every time somebody your life is told you to sweep the leg. How many times you I mean do what? Like how many we could buy? Yeah, this building probably take over CBS in Valley. Yeah, you know a lot, you know, it's something that caught on but if you think about it, how many movies can we say, you know, it constitutes the greatness of a picture, you know, all those things. We can remember are only from good movies. Like, you know Raiders of the Lost Ark we say Frank? I'm just making this up as I go along when and the force be with you and Make him an offer. He couldn't refuse and Play It Again Sam. Yeah, I'm sure we could all think but we couldn't think of any more than 10 or 12 are over the last in Casablancas. I would say since 1940 probably we can only think of about 12 movies and their quotes and I believe that constitutes a classic. Oh, yeah, you know what I think is really interesting about the Karate Kid is by today's standards because it because of what we're talking about with your character that sort of 80s villain people think about it as a sports movie. Fun kids sports movie That's a classic people. Forget Pat. Morita was nominated for an Oscar. That movie's a that movie is the same director the director Rocky like this is an all-time movie. And so there's a real there's a real friendly quality to it because it's a Kids franchise, right? It's like it's not for children necessarily, but it's very children friendly and I think people forget that sometimes and it's nice that with this new series out people revisit these films and remember the true quality of those movies and specifically that first Karate Kid film is It's a great movie. Yeah, it really is and there are times when I think we went to a convention once and Ralph and I were standing behind the screen and they were showing the movie it was a New York convention and they were showing the movie and there was the last 10 minutes and then we came on Billy wasn't there the time and we were in the back in the final scene of the tournament was happening and where we could only see it in reverse and we still got chills we still. And God knows how many times we see here. We still got chills and I believe you know, there are three things that happened in that movie One People identify with being bullied to they also identify with being a fish out of water the parents were in the military or whatever and three there's a romance in someone's life in 1984. That was astronomical that did not work out, you know, or maybe did work, you know, but those are the three elements in the characteristics that we find mostly when we talk to people of why they recommend this movie to their kids and why they kids recommend it to their kids. You mentioned a slight little comment there of saying it didn't work out or maybe it didn't work out and that is one of the biggest teases obviously it ends the season 2 of Cobra Kai where we see Ali, you know had the friend request on Facebook and there's a lot of people looking up. Will she come back next season will Won't she howl that all work out? Is there any hint that you can give the fans now that we know there's going to be a season 3 about her character's role in that season. We don't really know very much. I mean as actors, you know, I haven't quit even tell you what the scripture like, I talked to John night before last and he just says there's a lot of crease but I mean, you know, and we never saw I never saw when I you know, I don't want to spoil for anybody who hasn't seen season 2 but in the final So dove season 2. I never knew I did that to two weeks before we don't really get those scripts. You know, would you like to have her come back and then in how would you like her character to be shown in season 3, you know, it's interesting question because I thought about that and how you know, because Billy now is he's in trouble again, you know, and you know Johnny Lawrence is it's interesting question. I thought I think that it would be interesting for her to come back. I would be interesting for her because he he doesn't have much now and I think he would his character would put so much emotional. I would say stability on that girl, you know, when you're down and out you're not working and you're an actor you all of a sudden your relationship has become so important. It's what we lean on because everything else is really tough. We've been blowing the auditions blowing and you know, you put all that emphasis on the relationship. I think that's what he would do and that would create great drama and there's great trauma, especially on how I would deal with me and Ralph and you know, and in case you haven't heard this one the thing that a lot of people are talking about is that she's actually Tory's mom. I heard that you know, I yeah, it was it was an unconfirmed leave ya of talked about that Tori's last name was schwarber, which is a Leigh Mills schwarber as we see. She also says the line Tory working on my tour with a why by an ally in the first movie says with an i, right. So it's like the throwback you can connect that people have theories about the yeah. I mean you have to remember that these Riders are so astute they've gone as far back is going into the archives of Columbia and fine cuts and angles that weren't used in the movie but a present the scene is present and and so the angle is just an angle that wasn't used so they put that in our show, you know, so the it doesn't surprise me that you know, How he was an eye and and Tory with an eye, but you know, they're always grabbing little bits and pieces which make it really interesting and allow the audience to relive watching Karate Kid also could be a diversion. I mean they know exactly what they have us in the palm of their hands. Yeah, right because it's such a good series, you know, I would love to continue along the Pat Morita line and just your memory and And thoughts about working working with him. Well, I I I was given this script the audition process. I was given this script told I had a whole week to prepare the very next morning. I get a call that I was very next morning. John Hamilton wants to see you on the set. Now I said, well you said I have a whole week to prepare and she says no it's now or never I was so angry so upset. So my wife said to me use all these feelings you have and be just you know. All right now and it was the scene of Mercy is for the weak where I'm walking up and down and so I brought all this into the meeting with John avildsen and I berated him and I said you're an ass say we wait for years to meet directors of your quality and you save you and I give us time to prepare and you don't you're a real ass. And so we you Carol Jones Mercy is for the weak went right into it just really used the Venom of the anger. I felt of not having time to prepare. He loved it. Send me to Jerry White. From Jerry Weintraub came four days too. Late to the meeting was in Europe. I berated him. I just ripped him a new ass, you know, and boom he loved it and he sent me to guy mcilwain. So when I had to read for God Michael and his head of the studio, it was on the set with Pat Morita and Patrick Rita is working with me and and John avildsen is assistance holding the camera over shoulder and Pat was so generous. We did two takes Takes for takes any shooting the show that day and he was so kind. He guess the vibe is between us was so rich and he knew I was so right and I would go in the bathroom and do that berating but I couldn't berate head of the studio. He was there so I would make me to do my emotional research screaming yelled to come right out and work with Pat didn't blink an eye lash didn't you know wasn't intimidated just went right into the scene and it was you know, that's the sealed the whole thing is working with him. And then we go out for drinks occasionally during the year and see each other. He was a wonderful guy very, you know for someone who was not literally considered at the beginning and Jerry did not want it and then John made a little film of how funny this guy is and how real and he sold Jerry Weintraub on him, you know, probably within a month month and a half later. So we have a live chat going on right now. We have a couple dozen people. Watching again. We talked about the poorest you all over the globe. It's incredible and people are asking questions in the live chat. I want to be able to shout them out and black Robin 71 actually has two variants your question. He said in your backstory, do you imagine Kris ever having a family or children? He had he had in Vietnam, you know, it's when he was very young and I don't believe that he had children or CDs the things we've played with and we've talked about with the writers. I believe in Vietnam could have a child and he certainly had a lover in Vietnam female and that Brings on R. I can't really talk about that. But that brings on a lot of the problems in Vietnam that ultimately were carried into the dojo. You know, Mercy is for the weak based on you know, the Viet Cong children coming in looking for chocolate looking for something and then had a little remote as if it's in Afghanistan and blowing up and losing a lot of my platoon members by being merciful by being kind and That's part of why John creases the way he is, you know, it's not totally unmotivated at all, but you but you sorry. Oh, yeah. I was just going to say we obviously in season 3 did get this back story of Vietnam and we she's got she's into I'm sorry. I'm already getting ahead of myself here because I want so bad. But uh, so we get this back story and we get to see the layers of drunk creases. Well, do you think there's but at the end of the season, you know, he kind of goes back to that rock hard kind of evil exterior. Is there more of a chance to see more vulnerability from this character unquestionably? I mean, I don't think of it as going back to that rock hard what he's doing in what he's doing throughout the show is protecting the Integrity of Cobra Kai in other words what Johnny did and I don't know how much you wouldn't say because you don't want to spoil anybody who hasn't seen but he felt that integrity was being jeopardize the Integrity of Cobra Kai. It's two things he cares about in his World he cares about Johnny Lawrence like a father and the only thing primary the only thing that supersedes Johnny Lawrence is Cobra Kai. Look at that delivery. So is this like tough love? Basically, it's not like he's trying to give him a lesson and tough love and how to make it better. Yeah. Exactly. That's why I have that last line where I say I say to him you will thank me for this one. Thanks Johnny. Yeah, and that leads to so much, you know, it's so much to play. I think the great thing to play is is and I told us to Ralph last week and I said, you know, the great thing to play is now. The drama that he has to play because Kris is done when he's done, you know and Johnny it will be on the upswing again and the amount of drama that's going to go on for him to play contrary to season one is so rich for an actor, you know, this such conflict is such drama. It's not about a used car salesman anymore with a family and a pool and the kid it's all about some heavier stuff than that and that's I think the audience's love, you know, they just love this kids are so sophisticated these days. That's why it is a lot of Westerns not being made because you can't do black hats and white hats you've got to do, you know things like Django you've got to do things like Godless, you know, you've got to make it where the characters are gray, which is what you know, our writers have done. Everybody's gray. There's no I was the black cat. They were the white hats in the movies. I did three of them. I was the same color all the time. So now I'm Shades of Gray and yes, there will be vulnerability but there also will be Darkness because he's a conflicted character not talking about westerns and growing up in the guys that you watch growing up. You become a legendary character to a lot of actors at this generation. Who were the guys growing up for you that you like? That's who I want to be. I want to get into acting to be like that guy one of the first jobs I've ever I had was when I was a stand-in for Sean Connery on a movie called The Anderson tapes take it was 1971 and I remember being accepted to a to a classical Stage Company and and I was doing five years in college and this would have been even longer and I was accepted to NYU and classical Stage Company accepted me and I Remember Loving Sean Connery and learning that the best thing I've ever I think thing I came away with working with Sean Connery is I learned how to listen and so I went up to her and I said, you know, I've been accepted to NYU and for a fifth term and 50 year and I've been accepted to a classical Stage Company. What should I do? Because I was on the verge of stopping school and Going into acting full-time and he said to me young man. If you can do Antigone you could do anything meaning if I can do Classics you could do anything and he was right, you know, because the more you did I worked at Lincoln Center and you know and Café Le mama and all these, you know, unusual theater groups and it was a gas. It was a great Foundation, which was I what I always tell young actors that but Sean Connery can answer your question. Is always one of my favorite Jack Nicholson was always one of my favorites. I didn't cotton to John Wayne until I guess I started acting you know, but my favorite movies of his were I love the Alamo. I was born on the day the Alamo felt March 6th. Wow, five this metaphysical connection to Texas and I love Texas, you know, that is why I loved that movie very much and I would say also, you know Paul Newman. It's my favorite all-time. You know, Paul Newman is just brilliant. And yeah, I mean and and later on Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca is my favorite film Amazing. Yeah, and these films I wish you know, there's a lot of nationalism happened because the movie is released seven months after Pearl Harbor and everybody was together. It was all a bit is just lucky that way and you know, that's kind of what we need now. We need a good Western because I think it's the it's the it's it's the American heritage of Cinema is the Western and I just think we need a really good one to receive the Golden Boot award. Yes, the final one I think was 2007 in these, right? Yeah Viggo Mortensen and I we got it and he goes great great guy. I mean, you know, you look at Lord of the Rings and you look at some of those Heroes and you know, viggo's a slight fellow and he's just Loki and publishes his book publishing company and its hero from Lord of the Rings. So, you know, I well the Western Heroes. I love that Lord of the Rings hero, you know that he played guys right up there. Yeah right up there. He's incredible you had, you know talk about you know, you're obviously you love of movies and for Cobra Kai, I feel like there's two loves that you have you obviously love Cobra Kai and you love Johnny and I wonder in season 3, obviously with Johnny going In a different direction Cobra Kai being over here that you're almost going to have to choose. Which do you love more Johnny or Cobra Kai? Cobra Kai, he said it's the only thing that supersedes the love. So there's a name we mentioned a Leigh Mills Shore, but there's another name that comes up a lot people talk about a lot and that name is Terry silver. So my question to you is is there a shot that we're going to see Miyagi and Johnny versus something like that is the Terry's gonna come back as Terry really is the evil guy. Right? I mean he was he was the most evil of all evils. Well, remember that that was precipitated that role originally there was no Terry silver and Karate Kid 3 it was written for me to do all of that and I got a TV series called hard time on planet Earth Disney so I couldn't do that. So they had to put me on vacation in Tahiti and bring on a character and and came and wrote Mark came and wrote Robert came and wrote Terry silver to do what I had to do. So. I don't know, you know what their plans are because that would have been something that John Kris would have definitely reveled in training Mike Barnes and and and Daniel Larusso, you know, so I don't know if there's really a need. I really I really don't know they've got so many teenagers in this show. They have so many clinical Side Stories to write for I don't know for bringing in, you know, God knows I don't even have to bring you in a lie because You know, they don't they talk about it, right but there was nothing real specific. They're very, you know, very protective of everything because I believe that they write they write so that only they are privileged to the material so they don't have to deal with other people's opinions. And then finally when it's put the script, it's so good that you can't debate and say well why don't we do something else because they make the right decision at these guys. Just make the right decisions when they pitched it to you. You know, you said two years ago in September how many seasons are how how long did they pitch you of how long it would go? They just said, you know, I'd be a regular in season 2 and season 3 so that was it, you know, and I said fine, you know, I but I believe them, you know, because God knows that it's changed. For me I used to take movies and I made a lot of mistakes. I would take movies where I really like the part and and then the the script was just fair, but I thought my performance would enhance the picture. I was arrogant enough to think that and nine out of 10 times. It never happened never happens. If it's not on the page, you don't have that written word on the page doesn't matter how good your performances are know it everybody forgets about you going to five lines. Raiders of the Lost Ark and everybody will know everything about your resume. You can have the lead God knows how many times I've done this the lead in something and nobody goes to see the movie because it's not good. So I don't you know, I don't have an answer for that. But I know it'll be appropriate. I know who ring true for the actor because we've never had to play a false moment ever. Everybody is right there. It's easy to say it's like working Newsroom with Sorkin, you know those cats were so good in that Newsroom because they were the writing was brilliant just brilliant and you know, we're blessed with the same things. I believe the greatest moment in history of Television is the opening scene from the pilot of that show the Jeff. I think it's the single greatest speech to why America is not critical attention. I probably watched it a hundred times. He's under I'm going to see I'm getting an award at the Hoboken Film Festival. On the 17th this month and I'm going to New York and it sort of came out of a Salesman you can see you know, I'm gonna go see To Kill a Mockingbird. Oh, that's what I meant to say. Sorry. Yeah. Alright hit I saw this Versailles, but the movie I just finished VFW was with Stephen Lang. Ya Stephen Lang played happy in the Dustin Hoffman version with John Malkovich on Broadway, you know back it's like 86 and I saw and but now it's to kill Mocking Burgers. I love Jeff Dad when I was Voting I've over the for the Emmys. Well, I got the disc of the four or five people to vote for the male the best actor and a series and and his was the monologue was the first on the disc and I just looked at it and I said she's so brilliant and I said, you know, it's my responsibility to look at the rest of the the other it was Cranston. It was a couple of other I said I'm going to look and I remember saying this is have a big screen I said do I really want to look because it's really I know who I'm voting for. But then I was responsible enough to look at everybody the disc ended and I proceeded to vote for him because it probably is that in his speech in the Civil War peace is a garden general manager. No, it was the Gettysburg the first one. When he addresses his he's amazing some believe the guy is just and in Godless. Yeah, the only the only thing Western hostels was brilliant and got a bad deal distribution was but hostels performance by Christian Bale was as good as Godless with Jeff Daniels and those two performances are just burn time. I got you off. Yeah. Just had a question. So I'll I looked up the term badass and Webster's Dictionary and it read in Karate Kid Part 3 the effects team ill-timed one of the car window shattering shots causing Martin Cove to inadvertently break the prop window with his own fist. He sustained several injuries to his hand but continued filming. Wow. Yes Webster's Dictionary. No really. Is it no question to you smile. Look at my question to you is how how has the discipline of karate informed your work as an actor? It's very subtle. It's very subtle when I don't do it. I really feel it's like when you work out and you working out for two three months and all of a sudden you have to travel and you can't work out. You can feel it. You feel it in your body. Well, I feel it in the body and and in the soul and the mind that discipline that meditative functioning would just working out. I don't do it enough as I did in earlier, you know because I got shoulder Replacements knee replacement. You know, I've been all over the place with rock and roll and stunts doing splits on the dance floor and all this but but you know, you really miss it and it's very very personal so you can see you can only go so far without working out and you can go probably a little a little further with not going to the dough. Go but you feel like you feel like you're fasting you feel light-headed and you feel in control of every movement you make in your body when you're studying and you're in the dojo three days a week and you're working out say two days a week with a trainer physically. I mean that is the ideal thing. It's very tough to do very tough to do because you need to work with somebody. You need to have your Sensei with you to make sure you're you're doing it correctly. You're functioning correctly spinning Crescent kicks front kicks. You really need someone there and most of the time you try to you know, I think engineer that but you can feel it in your body and you certainly feel the pressure for the rest of the world when you're not in tune with working out and going to the dojo and the discipline of karate. It's pure it's a pure thing. It's almost inexplicable. I understand you studied, Okinawa teh under Gordon and a Versace. That's what's listed on Wikipedia that we found it. So are you still doing that? Did you did you bring that back? Heavily when you find out that you're coming back for the show? What was that? Like no Okinawa today was I did a movie called steel Justice. Okay, and still Justice was a film where the stunt coordinator was familiar with Okinawa Tay and he came to the house and we worked out, you know, three four days a week and that was just his style and I like the style because most of the time I was using Wagga Sasha. She's the short sword and he was teaching me a lot of that, you know as an actor you try to delicious intimately get a black belt, but many times you're doing you're always doing black belt caught us and moves and and and stunts and yet you haven't really you haven't actually gone into a place where you've been a consistent black belt. So sure I have a you know a diploma and I have a black belt on Okinawa taken a black belt in Tae kuk Bone, but honestly, I would like to start over again just like I would like to start over again learning acting and just go off in a cabin somewhere by a lake for a year and sit there with a guru and work on just work there with you know, Stella Adler if she was still around her, you know and just work on Parts just like I'd like to go off with my own she on tuck Kubota who I worked with in Glendale first. One and and work on because I like sword work. I like Kendo more than I like. Karate. I like, you know Weaponry. It's more romantic. I find you know open hand is terrific but I prefer, you know, sort of work might we see some of the sword work you speak of and season 3, maybe you could you know, I brought that up so you could but it was you know, there was so much going on in season two that all of a sudden the violence that I mean it just cute. Imagine John Kriss teaching his kids a sword working and went to use that and in your life when you go to school. Can you imagine? Yeah bringing anything he could at this point just so like turn heads. Well, you know, he is trying to better their lives. I just don't know. I just thought of walking into a math class with a cotton. Ah, you know in your belt is really, you know, I maybe could have done it to share them A food me days of Seven Samurai, you know, but Yeah, anything is possible that answer your question. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how would curb it into not bringing into class, you know, but we'll see, you know with your character. It seems maybe at some point based on the good versus evil that good will probably win and your character might be defeated or might go out. How do you want your character to go out in Cobra Kai at the end? Well, I've not really thought about the end. LA but I haven't thought about the end and this character just really begun, you know the so I haven't really considered what what would be at the end because as far as we know he could make which would be really attractive for me to make transitions into a greater realm of decency, you know, but always have this Edge, you know, how many times have we seen the bad guys turned good in movies and they always die. You know the bad guys turning good always dying moved. And so that's something for like down the line, you know, and they would plan something you did this movie VFW and everybody dies William Sadler dies David Patrick Kelly dies. Everybody dies, except Stephen Lang. I mean Fred Williamson dies everybody dies and it's the story of a the siege of a bar VFW and we all hang out there and then the bad guys. And we protect a girl in the whole movie in Dallas was about this VFW that's called VFW and we all die defending the honor of a girl. We don't even know. You know, I don't know if John Kris would do that. Yeah, you know, I mean, I don't know, you know, I did this picture with Quentin the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Yeah, and you know those characters they are from you know, you've seen the Also, they're from a period of time in the 60s were westerns were really popular and there were 35 Westerns on prime-time television in the 60s. And you know, I think back in that era people would sacrifice themselves the patriotism there I would for my grandchild and my kids definitely put my life on the line, but there's a certain, you know, things have changed now with patriotism things have changed now with people putting their lives on. The line for loved ones and all I think John Kris would probably John crease because of his attraction to COBRA. Kai would put his life on the line to maintain that after his death the Integrity of Cobra Kai sustains itself Cobra Kai Never Dies. I think it's interesting. You mentioned that about those classic characters, you know, given a life or there's that famous Eastwood movie from 93 in the lineup. Fire, right and he's got there's the scene where Malkovich is holding them up and he can he can literally shoot Malkovich and fall off the roof too because the guys can try to kill the president but he doesn't write and so that it's like it changes up the classic idea in these westerns this black and white at a you mentioned. It is more gray, right? Yeah preserve your own life. I think that's a lot of what the development of this series and your character is about you mentioned decency. I think we will have to see that decency. I don't think the audience wants the cartoon character. I think they want the decency. They want something more complex. They want the full. Work that you're getting you're beginning to show us. I'm in full agreement. I think you know you go back and forth It's really interesting when you go back and forth goodness and and and evil and you know you go and just that that's where I mean. I think you know, Indiana Jones as much of a hero as he is he still the original one was really Dirty Harry, you know friend of mine John Milius wrote this piece about a Prejudice nasty cup that that's what you know, that's what turned. Turned Clint, you know on was the fact that this was a real man. This guy was Prejudice. He didn't like the guys who you know, do you feel lucky punk? When is the last time we saw a cop stand there and do that in the movies? They're always been the Savior, you know, the white hat and then that was 1972. So that that began an era or there was the beginning of an era of of reality and greeness, you know up until then through the 60s all Western Heroes and all the shows they were all white hats. You know, they were over long Rangers say we kind of touched upon some of the other projects that you have been working on currently or even in the past. I was just curious, you know, because you've done such a wide variety of stuff. What type of criteria do you look into when you think I got to play this character? Okay that you know, I thought about a lot about that one and I was down to the wire on cable and for the hit for the Ryan Reynolds picture Deadpool Deadpool 2 and I just thought that would be a lot of fun to play this kind of carried. I've never done a movie like that before but you know because I never really got the script I couldn't lock into that because they just gave you the sides at that point. I really enjoy going. I like the leading men have done several of those. They haven't been successful and yet I enjoy comedy great deal and you'd never really know that by the roles, but if you can play someone I think who's comedic who's fun? Because that's why I got into this whole game was in the fourth grade. I did a play in school back in Brooklyn and I made people laugh and it felt good and it felt good over and over and over again yet, you know because I don't look like, you know, Belushi it's kind of it's tough to make people laugh now and I'd like to I like to do a western where I could make people laugh when you think about Blazing Saddles. Okay. Think about placing it's just terrible. It's couldn't get done to it. Yeah, they'd be so much fun. They would plant a bomb in the preview, you know, so the answer your question. I really enjoy serious vulnerability and yet I enjoy humor so I look for that in the script. I mean You know, I actually love playing really emotional characters. I really do and that's what happens in episode 4 when you know, he comes to my little hobble where I live, you know that to me is one of my favorites and when I go and bring him back his trophy. Yeah, those were my favorite scenes because they were just so soft and gentle and caring I think those are also the scenes were like, maybe someone at home who was not rooting for John kreese. I'm at my was Man, yeah, I got to give him some credit there. Thank you. I hope so. So I hope so you mentioned working with Quentin Tarantino. Obviously John Jay Adelson and John Milius you mentioned. Can you tell me a little bit about your some of your favorite experiences, or maybe there's one that comes to mind working with it a brilliant director. Well, John Milius was absolutely he's terrific. I mean, here's a man who wrote Apocalypse Now he you know, he threw all kinds of lines into Two Raiders and Jaws, you know, he and Spielberg they all would and Lucas went to school together. But John, you know, John Milius is like what John Ford was in his day. He just and now he's not well now hopefully he'll get better but the bottom line was he was a romantic. I just feel we don't have enough Romantics because all these movies being made are all Marvel comic books. They're not romantic story. They're hardcore stories about Good and Evil and and I find John Milius to be a romantic and I was married to a set to the soundtrack of the wind and the Lion a movie he made with Candice Bergen and Sean Connery and it was fantastic. It was little 5 million dollar movie made by MGM in Morocco, you know, so I find that working with people who have the same feelings as I do these three Riders I work with now we're on the same page. Age because you know, they have very little patience for nonsense. They have very little patience for notes, you know, they are very little patience for anything except because they are so smart their perception. They are very little if someone's not on the same page with them. It's okay, you know, they listen to their ideas and then they move on so for me, I think I think a romantic director John was was excellent John and it was great Visionary, you know know exactly what he Want it? I don't remember getting a lot of direction from Johnny. We just tell me never smile. You know, he said I'm one of my Tico the twinkle. He says just death. That's what he wanted and he would reiterate that for me. And you know, there's a Larry Kasdan was a guess and Wyatt Earp. I remember doing wired up with him and I would walk into this Saloon looking for Kevin Costner and I have a smile and I was a cool Hollywood gun fight with the guns. Laying down and come up to me and he says you've done Cagney and Lacey. He said when a bad guy perp comes into a grocery or 7-Eleven and he holds a gun to people is he smiling and I said, no, he's very serious. He said you come in here and look for Kevin very serious and we did it and it was brilliant. It was just you know, he knew what he wanted and he was a big kid and Kevin's a big kid. So it's like, you know, I was in heaven, too. Make it a western with all these people so they are Romantics it just you know, I just enjoy people that have a great knowledge of Cinema and you can compare what your movie Quentin is unbelievable. And I'm I do the scene with wit and I put my feet up on a post like that and and it's a scene from from Henry Fonda in My Darling Clementine where he's playing Wyatt Earp and he puts his feet up on a post. I forgot what he's waiting for and I said I said do you want me to do this little thing against the pulse of my feet you just you know that movie and I said, of course I know them. So do you think you're the only one who knows westerns and you know, he said no, we can't we can't do that because we got to shoot between but he is a guy who knows everything about Cinema across the board and he's a pleasure to work with so it was the kind of people that you'd like to work with only to be perfectly honest. Yeah. Were you on set working with Leo or bat? That's it. Yeah. Any slippers Leo. Yeah. Well, it was a western scene. So, you know, the capital is coming in with all these dead people on on his stomach his saddle and you know, it was it was that was the same guy can't because I can tell you a lot about that movie. You'll have spoilers killing a good conversation, but you know, he was fantastic and he does scenes that are paying homage to all the great Classics, you know, and some now a lot of a lot of directors do that but a lot seem to think that you know that they've got to be a little colder and crueler in the sense for their own using their own ideas. So many people don't seem to acknowledge the Brilliance of the of the George Stevens of you know, the John Huston all those earlier people who would just absolutely Sensational in our business, you know, well Marty, thank you so much for coming this wasn't on. The legal interview so many good stories. I want to talk for another hour to ask you but thank you so much for coming and where will you know be looking out for you? And then in the new film and VFW and Once Upon a Time and of course season 3 of Cobra Kai, I work in the folks find you on social media if they want to follow along with what you're doing. It's it would be Mariko. Well, no, it's actually yeah Marty Cove online.com. Okay, great, you know and yeah, they can play and send stuff. It's a gas always to read people's. I mean, that's where I got that. You know that At that tweet great. I mean I photographed it my phone and it had a picture of the Ice King at at Santos and me and I said, oh and April the world is now so I said wow, and I just thought I said that everybody either because I don't think of John creases being just the you know Lucifer. I don't think it but the amount of people that do it's fascinating. But they love to hate the guy. Yes, last but not least Michael working. The folks find you can find me online on Twitter and Instagram at the only MC. Thank you so much chemical fan pleasure. You can find me on Twitter at Tammy gouveia and instead Tammy gouveia official Veronica Valencia. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at its me Veronica underscore V, and you guys can find me at Ben David media on Twitter and Instagram. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. And thanks one more round of applause for Mardi Gras. Thank you. Thank you. Our founder Keven undergaro and me more. Whoa. Thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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COBRA KAI NEVER DIES! Hosts Ben Bateman, Veronica Valencia, Tami Goveia, and Michael Clouse sit down with the Sensei himself, Martin Kove, to discuss all things Cobra Kai and Kreese. We discuss the possibility of Ali and Terry Silver returning next season, exploring the many layers of Kreese and Martin wanting more decency in Kreese’s character, working with Pat Morita, how karate has disciplined him, and his upcoming projects: V.F.W. and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. About the After Show: Loved THE KARATE KID film? Then you surely must be watching Cobra Kai on YouTube Premium. It’s a series set thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament where a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo. On this COBRA KAI AFTER SHOW, our hosts review, recap and analyze the latest episodes and bring you inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT COBRA KAI: Thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament, a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo, reigniting his rivalry with a now successful Daniel LaRusso. 