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We are talking a lot of Netflix's Lucifer season 4 episode 3. Oh ye of little faith father grab your appletinis because that AfterBuzz after shows about to start right? You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now. Look, where's my Appletini? Where's that Appletini? That's how we're you told me. You were gonna bring it Plum sighs vile. I put our pour some in your Greg. No good. I'm gonna start saying everything's Plum sighs now because plums can apparently be besides of a marble to the size of a watermelon. Hey Alyssa plump seed plenty of Ever been to Bed Bath & Beyond things that are Plum sized and the Beyond section they are yeah, that's where it works. That's why it works. What section would you guys all be in? This week's breakdown. Today's Netflix is Lucifer season 4 episode 3 O ye of little faith father a line that was actually said in the show, which made it even more fun along with the show. We have of course the wonderful illustrious panel that we always have present all the way to my left Stephen, Lemieux. No, W be no white boy. This one. Just just the name. I appreciate that. Well, actually Father Tim Lee became my favorite white boy, so you actually got demoted. It wasn't a compliment because he's in jail or because the beard or what is it? That made them real? I can't wait for his mixtape to drop and of course the person who's mixtape is the most fire on Soundcloud Roxy's dryers in the building. No that sounded like little mm. That's not better. That was some little Yeah, well, um Roxy's fire in the building. Yeah, these episodes are getting better and better man. I this episode was awesome and I can't wait to break it down. Yeah. I cannot wait and of course, I'm your host. My name is Tehran you can catch me hosting this and of course slew of other AfterBuzz after shows where we talk all good things, but this might be my favorite one because we are talking Netflix's Lucifer season 4 episode 3 O ye of little faith father. I feel like that was directed directly towards you Steve. Yeah. I just yeah exactly a little bit. Middletown hmm. Are you both of little faith? We are a little bit out. How are you of much faith? I am a faith-driven person. My faith also is mostly just about myself but still I have faith in humanity. I have a plum size device that one. I don't know most that's why our faith. Okay. Today's break down. We're gonna go over. Of course. We're going to start with the case. And then we're going to get to the heart of the show and how that case applies to it father Ken Lee and Lucifer meet and greet and he's not a normal priest Lucifer's Daddy. Issues Chloe struggles with is Lucifer good or evil. I'd love to know what you think as well loosen for things. Chloe is lying. What she is Lucifer does charity and I don't mean the stripper from season three. Oh, her name was candy. Never mind. Can Khloe ever accept Lucifer his true face. Dr. Linda's analysis. Dan needs comfort and gets it. Yeah, Mase and Dan beat up. Low Sexes amenadiel does the most human male thing I've ever seen on the show. How did she get pregnant? But tries to be a dad and a husband L. It takes off the chain the prophecy father Kim Lee is excommunicated and a new girl walks in news and gossip special segment circles of hell predictions and much more. Yeah. We have a lot to discuss let's get into those overall thought as you were just saying that I remembered all of the things that I just was obsessed about in this episode. I mean the the damn storyline has me totally freaked out right now, and I'm curious where we're going to go with that. That the tables have turned with Lucifer and Chloe and I'm really invested in that and like Stephen talked about it believe in episode 1 and episode 2. I love that. They're just paying these off so quickly and we don't have to wait for episodes before we see arguments results all that stuff. So to me this episode was the best of the season so far. Thank you Netflix. I'm so glad I don't have to wait a week. I do not have to go home. Wait a week and then watch the next episode I can watch what happens after this appletini. Hmm directly today. Yeah, because we're we have to give him that binge. What were your thoughts on this episode? I liked the episode A lot. It was a little bit more setup than the previous to the previous two were like, let's create. Let's tackle these issues that are with the characters right. Now. It kind of rehashed a few things from the first two episodes just with the shoe on a different foot instead of it being Chloe distrusting of Lucifer and not knowing who he is. It's now Lucifer distrusting of Chloe and not knowing if she's who she really is. Basically father Gaslight just being kind of a dick and also even with the even with the murders, it's really playing on this whole Charlotte thing with like the first episode was people who were was the person who was murdered turning life around and everything like that people who are in witness protection, and now this episode again people who are turning your life around to get away from the violence of their past. So it's really really heavy handed on the nose in terms of people. Can you escape your past and how that pertains to So far. Well, I felt that it had a lot to do with people aren't who they seem to be so in the second episode we get the kindergarten teacher who everyone loves who we find out is a major b word and here we get people who you would think are criminals or bad people and that they are the ones who have turned their lives around we get a lot of that actually within the Bible itself. If you know the people who are chosen by God aren't the people that should have been chosen. I mean Noah was a drunk. So I like the way the story's going. Owing the fast-paced Miss Roxy brought pointed out last time we have a conversation Netflix gives us a payoff where we don't have to wait and they don't have to make us beg for what's going to be on next episode. They just give it to us raw and I really liked that a lot. Yeah, I said it and I meant it all the way and I would also like to say that that bar children are also so past that will stick with me forever. Let's talk about the case. So there's a technology expert come billionaire there. The victim ex-gang member low Sexes. I don't know why this is Milo Texas doesn't look cool. It slow sex s double shocker is what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not this is not nothing gangster about that. Turn rocket scientist Susan a chola 29 quick turnaround on the rocket science, by the way, literally and metaphorically stabbed in the back then we also get a second victim David Ramirez, which is how we clear are we clear? Or come billionaire Anders Brody David Romero is 27 Apprentice mechanic who lived in the back of the shop also stabbed in the back. Also a member of low Sexes. So this storyline took a turn for the better at the end with it being a conspiracy by father gas light, which I'm going to refer to him as that. It's father Carolina Killians father and I really think what's really sad about the storyline is what they do with Anders when Lucifer asks him what he desires is they set up for the fact that She was clean they set up for the fact that the girl was murdered was clean. And then right at the end. They have the guy be like she was doing drugs again. She was a the other guy was a thief and it's so sad because Anders has proven that she wasn't doing drugs again father Gaslight was lying to that guy as well and got a God-fearing man to kill two people by lying to him which theoretically makes you think that the show's stance on can people change or can you put out one person? And then think you're another person and grow is yes, you can but the past will always follow you and it will haunt you yeah nature versus nurture the concept of Oscar Rivas the counselor and Mentor being the one who murdered them. Mmm and in a gruesome way, of course stabbing them in the back. That's the worst. It's an expression for a reason, you know, you stab somebody in the back and that's I love to be the the theorist here at the table first. Second just with this one part this entire episodes obviously about being stabbed in the back and being thank you and being blindsided and I think that this is such a great visual that were just looking at these two people gushing very very neon red blood from their backs. No one makes me bleed my own blood. Well, that's the concept every case of course has a deeper meaning in each episode of Lucifer and you are a hundred. Percent on the nose with it Roxy. It is about being stabbed in the back. Which means I finally got it. You got it. No, man, you got it good. That's why you're the queen of the brains your back is turned because the the objectivity is that you trust the person enough to turn your back on them. Oh backstab got it. Okay. There you go. There you go. Thank you Stephen. So when we get into the case is really about we find out about backstabbing. And of course Chloe is in essence backstabbing Loop Lucifer, but the way he finds out is because father Ken Lee and Lucifer meet and greet. Why do you guys think that she continues to lie to him about this when he clearly knows something's up. He asks her in so many different ways he meets with Father Kinley. He tries to trust her he asks her so you didn't tell anybody so no one knows so I have zero reason not to trust you. I mean he's clearly Fishing she's a detective. She senses things about him. We've seen her get to the bottom of him. So many times why why isn't she telling him? I think it's just one of those things. That's like he never it's what Linda said once you ring that Bell a can't be unrung and I think for her sake that's the same thing as like once I say this it can't be unsaid once he knows about this. It can't be undone because I think regardless of her telling him or not. He would have had that reaction and I think she knew that conversation would lead to what happened ultimately at the end which was them stepping apart from each other. I Also would like to add that it was the most human of all things to deny. So by not admitting it to Lucifer. She's not admitting it to herself as well. Also, most of us have been in the situation where a parent or someone we love has caught us and even though we're caught red-handed. We still deny deny deny till you die. Sorry Margaret. Do you want she's embarrassed you think she ashamed she's ashamed that she did that because that's such a a weird such a weird thing as an audience member obviously being able to look at both perspectives and trying to step back objectively. How can anybody be ashamed that they were going to maybe try to take out the devil because it's not just the devil. Let's not forget. It's also kind of lover her her friend. It's it's it's preconceived perceptions of somebody told to you by somebody else. It's like if somebody told me that you were like a heinous Serial killer Roxy and they had like a bunch of haphazard evidence, but they'll have believed it. But there's a lot of evidence if someone's your killer at this panel. I was like, okay, I'm gonna go ahead and kill Roxy and then I'm like, actually I'm not going to karate actually no, Roxy. Should I then be like later when you're like Steven there's nothing haven't told me like, well there was that time. I was gonna kill you. Yeah, you should well there's also something to tell you about Lucifer that actually that actual point happens when Lucifer visits Linda Dr. Linda and says the whole situation is like I'm being betrayed by the detective who I trust how do you know some complete stranger told me but he hasn't that's that's the issue is everyone believes what they see. She didn't believe he was Satan until she saw his face and now he wouldn't have believed it. But then she very obviously lied to him and the stranger who told him how would he have known the situation if it hadn't been somewhat true. Obviously, he wasn't telling the full truth, but he was telling Partial truth. I think that you just mentioned Linda she is a really bad therapists. I've been listening to some of the advice. She's been giving mmm Linda. Mmm, every time loser Lou leaves your room. I think he's worse off than before he came. I'm gonna have to disagree with that and I'll tell you why because Linda is all about a concept that we found out in episode 1 of the Season angels have self-actualization and she's all about you. Ooh self-actualizing. So she's actually putting it out Lucifer is not the one picking it up. He's picking up the wrong meaning as he walks out. You have to know your players Tehran and if you coach everybody the same ways, are you a good therapist? She knows him. She's been his therapist for four years. Now. I remember was banging him at some point, which also doesn't make a particularly great. The hair was wet the same like, yeah, you know, I wasn't questioning her when she was banging our clients left and right. I was questioning her now. Lucifer was a much more sexual creature in the first season of Lucifer the show. So the Lucifer that they presented also had a sexual energy that he would present and would therefore attract attract any sexual being around him. And so was it Linda's fault or was it Lucifer's power? We weren't so sure but now that but once Linda got her head on straight. She has not shown him any sense of Traction just to be fair just to be fair towards dr. Lynn. We got a crush on Linda or something. I do have a little crush on Linda. I like dr. Linda. I like smart women. You're not spicy enough was Roxy. I'm not a spicy drink guy. I'm not a minute deal enough. So she wants she wants that. You're not a man ideal enough. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. So father Kenley basically sets it up. Are we thinking that this is a setup or I last episode I think I predicted that he wasn't going to be as bad as I thought I take that back. He's obviously going to be the big bad. I just don't understand. I am glad we finally got to the bottom of it by the end, but I didn't know why making her turn against and by her, I mean Khloe turn against Lucifer Lucifer turn against Chloe how that would help extract him from Earth. And now I'm seeing that it's kind of an either/or situation. We either need to Get rid of him or make it so he doesn't do true evil. Yeah, so the we learned the prophecy this episode. We finally know what the prophecy is that father Ken Lee was so against which again if the prophecy each time the Devil comes on is that he falls in love and evil decides to go come billionaire. So I think like right now father Ken Lee was just doing whatever it took to either send him back to hell or not have him fall in love. But again with the Catholic Church, they don't believe that it's actually Lucifer. So we also learned that the association of exorcists is really like not a thing. It's just father Kim Lee. Yeah, and I'm not losing far enough not to say bless you Roxy you want to know what I learned this week that which is really interesting. I don't know if you guys have ever heard this apparently when you sneeze it's because the something that somebody else is saying is very true. So whatever you just said Stephen, I think it's true the truth truth. Okay, Steven, so we hear about the end of days. Prophecy, which is of course the return of Satan through the Antichrist and that would understandably be in the form of someone he loves especially with the setup of amenadiel and Linda having a baby. I think it's more like Lucifer is already shown that he'll do anything for somebody he loves. So what if the person he loves is skewed towards Temptation and skewed towards the more sinful instincts of humanity. And what will he do for her and how will it turn into? Into disaster and evil and then at the same time, what will the Catholic church over do once they actually realize that the prophecy starting to come true. Do you believe do either of you believe father Kim Lee his father Ken Lee. An honest person do I believe that that's what he believes or do I have the same beliefs as no? No. No, do you believe him because he when he says things he's lying is the prophecy true. Yes. I think he believes the prophecy is true. For sure. I think he believes everything he's saying but like I like I've mentioned before Lucifer thought everything he was saying was fact that he was Untouchable. Then he met Chloe everything you're saying couldn't be true until XYZ. So So that might be the prophecy how you interpret things is the same thing going on Game of Thrones right now guys, we're trying to interpret the prophecy and we know that sometimes what your human ears interpret as the prophecy is not actually how its intended. So I don't know if he his interpretation of what's going on. Do I believe that no almost three episodes Without A Game of Thrones reference. Thank you. Now she and on the other episode. Did she Know Nothing Jon Snow? Oh, yes the On snow reference good call Stephen Stephen question for you. You said yes, I think yes. I think the prophecy is real because prophecies are based on previous happenstance has of things happening. That's a terrible sentence. But like if if you go to the dog park and every time your dog takes a dump, there's a prophecy that the next time you go to the dog park your dogs and take a dump. It doesn't mean that it's going to happen. But it means there's a good chance of it happening. So with a season that's basically building up all this past versus can people change it's the past to shown that this has happened with Lucifer. Can he change and prevent the prosthesis Prophecy from happening this time? I don't know but if he doesn't try it will happen and father Gaslight would have been in the right to try to stop that. So Lucifer and father Gaslight great great way to go Lucifer has his own daddy issues whenever you hear his father he kind of cringes. What are your thoughts on Lucifer's Daddy? Shoes, I think that he deserves to have them not it makes sense. I mean if my dad was gone and definitely would have some issues as well. And I don't know how how fair or how good God has been to Lucifer in this story that's been presented to US versus how he's treated amenadiel and I understand why he does have that I make sense. I don't know. Can you repeat the question sorry, but we're just asking attention to much what Roxy was saying. I lose the first daddy's issues daddy issues. I was thinking of Lucifer's our sugar daddy and that kind of thing so I can get off my Aunt Angela. Are you asking that in comparison to Father Gaslight? Do you think that he is looking at father Gaslight as an older male figure and entrusting him more because of his daddy issues. I was actually referring specifically to the concept that anytime father of fatherhood. Brought up Lucifer always brings up God and how he wasn't there. He has that conversation with and that deal. Okay. So we talked about these daddy issues and he mentions it to father now. I'm calling him father gasps. Laughs honestly as well. Yeah father Kingsley as well where he tells Father Kelly he's says, oh, well, I have my own daddy issues got it. I wasn't realizing that the daddy issues were that prevalent, but you're right with the scene with amenadiel where he talks about how our father wasn't even there so you will be better than that. That I completely agree and it's not the first time. So the daddy issues concept has gone on throughout season 1 Season 2 Season 3 and now is brought back but has never been this blunt before we've always had sprinkle. But this time it's just he keeps bringing it up season one was very on the nose. But yeah, I think it's in his face too because he's constantly dealing with priests father issues. This is the father speaking which shout out because I barely even recognize him as a saint of all kill. Is from preacher I'm loving DC keeping this in the same universe, which is awesome. But I think that when you're confronted constantly with the voice of your dad the voice of your dad, that's what these priests are. Essentially that's got to keep bringing up these wounds and I I don't know he really desperately does need a therapist again. I don't know if Linda is the right one for him, but he needs to talk to somebody because I like being the the son of like a beetle or something like that where it's just like your dad is So famous that you can't be seen or talked in like without people bring it up or having that in the back of your mind subconscious inferiority. If your dad is God, it's got to be a little different than if you are which one of them has a daughter John Ringo one of them one of them short Rings like I mean, I just I don't I don't know if you if if there's any comparison on this Earth to legitimately your dad. Being the Creator. No, but I'm just saying like in terms of like Paris Jackson, but yeah, but in terms of loosing documentary Lucifer literally moved to Los Angeles, which is like the town of daddy issues caused by famous parents the saying there's something to draw off I do is think of God as famous. Yeah. Yes. Oh, okay like not as famous as Kanye but like up there. Yeah, he's definitely up there. He's no he's no Yeezus become let's calm down it but But I do agree. We all do have the need or at least the want to talk to someone that's why we America has daddy issues to let him try. Yeah, Steven. Would you like to talk about AfterBuzz? I want to talk about a minute deals. Daddy your shirt. You guys hear that? I'm not even able to get through the show without mentioning Game of Thrones or any other TV show or preacher. Like thank goodness. We have after post do have Cell coverage for all the other TV shows because I seriously as a superfan listen to so many of our different breakdowns and need them more than anything. That's why we're the ESPN MTV telling so we have over a hundred have a week. Yeah, very true. 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You gotta give you the answer. No cuz it's like if your it depends on what your because everyone has a different way. I think he's good. Everyone has a thank you. Jeff. Everyone has a different moral scale. Right? So if you're gonna base Lucifer's actions on his morality, then he's evil because he tortured people for Millennia, but he also see people who deserved it. Yes. It says the job. Yeah, but even if you're gonna find somebody and like, oh, well they deserved. Who deserves what? How do you get to decide? What's the devil? You know who decides that God and God specifically put Lucifer in charge of this. So God tells man not to judge but doesn't say any of that to the angels. I said, he's good. Thank you Roxy Rocket plaque in the game. I know how to win games. So lose with these Chloe is lying. And and why is that because she is ax facts bitch Chloe in this episode. Are you kidding me? This is not the Chloe. I want to see and finally we do get to the Chloe I want and the Chloe that I love but this whole episode. I just want to shake her and be like, why are you doing this why it's so mean and he's been nothing but good to you even nothing but kind to you he's done nothing but save your life time and time again, and you don't you're not even trying to kill him anymore. So just be honest. He's given you every opportunity. I was annoyed. It's a very annoying situation and also plays in apart or father Kenley is excommunicated and here we see a lack of communication very interesting dichotomy that goes on. Hey, yo before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts. 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It was like a soup kitchen. Okay. I've done a ton of community service in my day. Don't forget. I was a girl scout for 13 years. Never have I ever done something that has a banner behind that says community service like it that way. If you are going to get super soup kitchen, is that what you want to look up and see as they're serving you community service? Maybe that's just the soup of the day rocks. Mmm-hmm. Don't say anything let him sit in that can Chloe ever accept Lucifer and through it Lucifer's face. He said she said I don't know but I want to I don't think this is a vain thing. And anyway, I don't think this is about what he looks like and her not liking him not being physically attracted to him. I think it's almost more like a bestiality kind of thing. Can I accept that? I'm in love with somebody who is not A human a species that is not human. I don't think that all your you might be right but I don't think that at all. I think it's I think it's not even his face. You're right that it's not his face. But I think his face is the manifestation of everything. She views him to be right now. Paul yes that to that as well, but I don't think because I'm sure people online are like well, she can't love them because his face is deformed. It's not that his face is to form decide. It's not it's not human face. Yeah, someone loves seal. What do you sound? So the concept is when it comes to the when it comes to Lucifer and Lucifer shows face. She Chloe breaks down and in an emotional scene, which I thought was Bleep placed we get some real Chloe says I'm terrified shouts it it was like an acting Workshop there great set, you know when you when they say but what do you really feel and what deeper what's behind that layer? It's that I'm terrified and she's bawling. I was just thinking yes, she can't even raise her eyes and look at him when he has the same face. Same face Green Goblin. Yeah. I don't know if I would be able to either it's a hard thing. NG to to actually be able to process I wonder though when he says so she says I don't know if I'll ever be able to accept it and he says that I know what I have to do or what does that mean basically leave her or not be with her and I'll be her partner see her lover. I know what your other answer is. So I think it's just like he's just like there isn't a future that he was imagining as a co-worker or as a romantic love interest. I think well the co-worker and the romantic Of interest in my opinion go hand in hand because if we remember when Chloe was gone Lucifer wasn't working on cases. I mean the only reason he's really working on cases. He doesn't have a stake in the hand of all these murders. It's because of Chloe he gets to be close with Chloe. It's them Dan certainly not letting him on set. What is that called when there's a body dead body. It's not set the crime scene crime scene Alexa. So the concept Is Chloe goes and finishes off this case by herself and Dan even ask? What's where's Lucifer? Oh, we're not working together anymore. Yeah, so I let's see how long that sticks for. Let's see how long it takes for Dan Man Dan had a great story Lan Man Dan storyline. So Dan needed comfort and he gets it in the best worst possible way. Let's examine the low Sexes who needs a warrant nowadays now, you don't need it. Well clearly Khloe operates under that. To considering every time they see somebody Lucifer beats the living crap out of them. Yeah, or he kicks down the door and jumps into the house because they think he's the murderer like a probable cause whatever it is. It's insane, but that has been more reminiscent of who Chloe is for the last few seasons Dan. We have not seen this side of really he's been more of a stickler for the rules and now that he's lost who he's probably deeming at this time to be the love of his life and he's not seeing his daughter as much because she was apparently Just taking a Europe and his ex-wife is definitely out of the picture. I think he's starting to figure out who he is and mazes take him down a dark path really quick. I think it's interesting if you look at Charlotte as like the angel on Dan's shoulder and now look at Mase is like the demon on her shoulder There's No Angel there anymore. And even with the daughter like even with Trixie like Trixie we talked about the imaginary friend, but maze is like really. Hey check out this knife. Let me pass you this knife like maze is the bad influence. Are they going to Bone? Well, it looks like it might be going down that path. I was actually going to ask you guys that I do want to remind everyone that in season one Dan started off a bad cop which is how he got demoted down to regular beat instead of detective in the first place. This is him reverting not him converting different good point good point so you can change for the better or for the worse or from worse to better to worse Dirty Dan. I kind of like the stand is our Maze and Dan Gonna hit it off Charmazing Dan. Let's just leave it hanging right there are Maze and Dan. Yes. I think they will know I don't really want that days. I don't think so shipping. It is day think they're gonna get close man. That's pretty great. I think they're going to get close, but I think he's going to stop it in its tracks. He comes to us and he's just gonna be like, this is not this is old me. Again. This whole season is past catching out to people or whether it will or not or whether people can change their nature. And I think this is another Temptation towards Dan to go back to his old self. And can he resist the temptation or can he stay the person he's become but it's always kind of cool though to see her make that decision if we see maze grow a little bit and say Dan you deserve different. This is not a good match instead of Dan realizing I mean, I'm still stuck on May's having pink hair right now. I can't see that much growth. She is slaying girl really quick amenadiel and the pregnancy and trying to be a dad and a husband and be an extra not surprised. That's his whole Mo I'm going to be a good guy. I'm here. I'm showing up. Let me propose blah. No. No, I don't know such a great scene. Ella takes off the chain interesting a if I was damned, I'd be feeling like a hot pile of dog poop for pointing it out and then having her take it off. You don't want a mess with somebody else's faith. I always saw it as misery loves company and Dan is miserable right now and wanted Ella to join. Yep. He just kind of projecting his own misery on to other people and everybody's already miserable and they're both miserable for the same reason right now. So it's even worse and then we get the new girl walk again. Hey, and I threw out a prediction of sorts, but I think it was kind of spot on Eve the first love we get this prophecy First Love lose for his first love is Eve Eve orders an Appletini. We all definitely He saw that yeah, everyone was like, oh my God an apple. She must be Eve. All I was thinking was what a little bitch drink. Yeah kind of and and then I felt like really dumb she hasn't been named yet. However, we know is in bar lava who is an Israeli Superstar come alive. So it's really super stars. Let's see. If you haven't been paying attention to them Gal Gadot my Wonder Woman. Hey, they're coming up. They're coming up and they're coming for you. So let's get into some news and gossip. All right. Here we go. So you guys know that if you follow of your loving Lucifer, you should definitely be following them on Twitter because they do so much interactive stuff even lose for writers room. They're both verified. So they're easy to find they were trending at number one, which I was so happy to see because people didn't know when this was coming back how it would actually look so they were trending at number one in the US. We did a live Q&A also and we had some of the cast members that were answering questions. Although it seems like they might be a little tipsy because Kind of they were asked some things that are like, oh, so these are the writer's actually Jeff. Yeah, you can hit it. They were talking about the season Joe Henderson and Chris Rafferty to the writers from the show. This is a proud was were there any things to do in season 4 which got cut out and the answer I think actually is no but I think there's a lot of ideas we have for season 5 that has we were brainstorming season for we found that we could do in season 5 if we are so lucky. Yeah. Everyone's butt everyone's butt everyone's butt. So that's what I love to hear that. We're going to see more booty and that they're planning on season 5, which I'm really excited about there. Also was a tweet put out by Netflix talking about what we did in this to make it so that they were coming back which was three point six four million tweets that were put out by us. Wow, hashtag save Lucifer and 5.63 million retweets. So way to go team. I know I did at least half of And that's your news and gossip before I Lucifer. We are the ones who brought it back by we I mean you write great job. I already know that's how it went. Let's jump into our special segment. Not that I'm so eager. But let's go to the circles of hell guys. We're gonna be talking about the third circle of hell, which I'm going to really stretch this to make it work with the episode because it's gluttony and let's just say this episode didn't really have a lot of food eating competitions or anything like that. But when reaching the third circle of hell, Dante and Virgil, Souls find the gluttons there overlooked by the worm monster Cerberus which you've seen portrayed as a three-headed dog in a lot of things and the sinners in the circle are punished by being forced to lie in slush by a never-ending icy rain and it symbolizes the personal degradation of the one who overindulgence in food drink and other worldly pleasures, but they're unable to see others around them and that represents the Glutton selfishness and coldness of being unable to see other people so we can make this work with the episode especially the Dan are you kidding? This was a very gluttonous episode for Dan not giving it a half about anybody else and just wanting to have that worldly pleasure of murdering and punching and kicking and maybe making out with a really hot chick demon demon chick. Hell. Yeah, so Dan's totally in on this. Also, if you look at Cerberus as somebody who's overlooking people who aren't seeing each other for what they are, then you could say that father Gaslight is kind of the Cerberus to this third level of hell for this episode where Lucifer is unable to really You know see it from the other person's perspective for Chloe which draws a spike between them and Chloe who's unable to see that Lucifer already knows and she needs to come clean and also you could also take it from the guy who decided to eat a wooden Spike who couldn't see that. I can't blow around had. Oh my God don't mention it again Netflix, Oh, you know, it's just getting the splinters out of your tongue is really tough business when you're dead, you don't have to but he couldn't see that he was being lied to and he couldn't see the people that have He was protecting actually were on the straight and narrow and not relapsing into their bad old habits. All right, you made it work. You did make it work. And now let's go to some gluttony because I'm hungry. But before we get to get some food, yeah, I'm pointing at Roxy. Let's get into some quick prediction your AfterBuzz TV prediction father gaslights partner-in-crime going to be dead by next episode Bishop Hoffman Bishop Hoffman did One black Bishop. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're killing them. I thought that was ERG from gifted. Sorry guys. I don't think he's gonna die. I think he's going to become subservient bitch Bishop to Father Gaslight. Once the prophecy starts coming true and they get backing from the church bitch Bishop never heard that before. I've never heard that I think that I think that the young lady at the end is Eve and I think that that's going to play and Lucifer and her going to We candles some type of love hate love that will make Chloe jealous. You think she's actually Eve. She's like in terms of Lucifer will recognize her as Eve, I believe so, okay. So this isn't Lucifer and Eve meeting for the first time. This is like this is easy. Yo, what up my old friend with benefits? This is Eve God whether it's a Reincarnation of Eve the way we had Charlotte or Eve herself. This is easy. I don't think reincarnation and different body. I think her. Wow. Okay, I wasn't seeing that way the likelihood of Being in a really hot bod like that twice probably not so it's gotta be her. I mean Tom Ellis has been a really hot bod many times. Hey, all right. 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The Lucifer After Show for Season 4 Episode 3 “Oh, Ye of Little Faith, Father” - The questioning tables have turned as Lucifer is being gaslit by Father Kinley (AKA Father Gaslight) as he’s not distrustful of Chloe. Chloe doesn’t help matters because she LIES to Lucifer! Meanwhile Maze gets Trixie a Knife, Amenadiel proposes to Linda so he can try to be a better father than his own; Dan and Maze have a girl’s night out; and Kinley manipulates a god-fearing man into killing 2 innocent people but fails to prove lucifer’s lucifer-ness to the bishop and gets locked up. Unfortunately in the end it looks like Chloe’s hesitance has split them up, and thus ended the prophecy… or has it? Lucifer is BACK! Cancelled but not for long! Thank god for netflix, and thank god for AfterBuzz TV, because WE'RE BACK TOO! Covering the latest episodes of Lucifer! Join us every episode for in depth discussion and breakdowns! There may even be some special guests so be sure to subscribe rate and comment! ABOUT LUCIFER: Lucifer is an American television series created by Tom Kapinos that is scheduled to premiere on Fox on January 25, 2016. It is a very loose adaptation of the comic book character created by Neil Gaiman for the comic book series The Sandman and its spin-off comic book series Lucifer written by Mike Carey, both published by DC Comics' Vertigo imprint. 