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This is surviving are Kelly stay tuned you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look, You're watching from I hope you're doing fp6 as Kesha and that your summer praying because this was a lot like we might need to have a moment of silence just like from prayer for the victims for I Kelly. Okay. Well the idea that whole we release our cool, right the good news is we have a full panel today. Yeah. I'm so excited to get into the topics. I'm glad to be joining you guys again, I'm Elena. What's up everybody Keith Andre here. Hey Robin with the V and Tyler here. Happy to join you guys you guys. I don't know how we're really gonna navigate the part of the day two of the docu-series just because of episode 3 and 4 hardly focused on just the sex tape right and and the porn of it which gets a little difficult because we all have sisters and nieces and cousins and friends who have daughters and God daughters and all this stuff. So, Just before we dive into it. What was kind of like, how did you feel walking away from 3 and 4? For me, it's weird because obviously when it happened I was a lot younger, but I did feel a sense of guilt because I do remember seeing that tape I do I remember it being a buzz in school. We were in high school. I think was like ninth grade and I remember getting my hands on that tape going back home stick it in the vehicle the VCR and I was just like, how'd you get your hands on the tape? I don't even know. Is in high school, I was always the one with a videotape so I recorded all the fights at school. So I had to plug always and everybody it was just once you watched it. They pass it to the next person and it eventually got to me and that was something I felt I feel guilty now as a grown woman, obviously then I was younger, but I was just like we knew we all knew but here I am stepping in the name. Right and all you know, it's weird and I think I believe I can fly. I sang that song. I sang it good all my family members when we went out the church wanted me to sing it. So it just gave a very eerie feeling after watching those two episodes for me. Yeah. I feel like we got a lot more background on the tape and we got to see how it kind of got to where everyone's now seeing is different now because the This here and it's right once it's there. It can be shared. God knows where right so, I mean it started on tape and then I'm sure DVDs and then now the internet has it and I don't think it ever made it to DVD. Really? I don't think so. Goodbye DVD Because by the time but yeah. Yeah, that was just it let's kind of backtrack here. So we go from being introduced to our Kelly kind of getting his backstory seeing the things that he's gone through as a child and how he was on the verge of stardom the feel Good moment. You know the feel-good moment. He's starting to hang around his old high school. There's room there's rumors at this point from what we have the he's with these young girls. But now we move into three and four where he transitions from all these rumors to actually paying off families and young victims in being caught red-handed in a situation with a minor and I think if it wasn't for the Go sometimes we wouldn't really have any hardcore fact, we wouldn't even know that there were a plethora of lost their research has really exposed that so I mean and if I'm being honest when watching it, you know, that's the Chicago time. They're telling us how they're going into and they're researching and I'm like, I don't know what they're going to find cause at this point. I'm developing as a docu-series is going also right? Like I still have my own opinion. I still do feel like he's very much so guilty, but When it comes to like, oh, he's completely like red-handed. I'm like, where is it? Like if he is raping all these girls or just leaving - whatever the case maybe he's victimizing young girls somebody and their parents are coming forward. Where are they right agreed? Yeah. I think they were definitely the Catalyst and like giving it the real kind of world exposure it needed because I do feel leaving one and two you just felt like oh there's claims are there's rumors, but this is a black community issue and then when you Away from three and four. It's just like wow, you get to see this whole case kind of unfold similar to I think of I know it's clearly different but just like, you know, OJ Simpson how you kind of get these feelings when you're watching something before your eyes now, of course, it's years later. We didn't see it in real time. But right really how I felt about running away from it being revealed in a way in which we had no access to at the time and seeing it on a different light in the Chicago Chicago times. I feel like Like they cared enough. Yeah, I feel like they cared enough because it almost felt like that community in Chicago really held him on a pedestal even despite everything they knew and or heard and the Chicago Times like we're gonna we're gonna pull the curtain out. Yeah, and I still didn't help that much but it definitely, you know brought light to it and I was just going to say just thankfully. I mean, well there was something to show for it, right? - just The Chicago Sun-Times developing a story about because we had to get to like actually have something physically told right of you well, but once they've published that first article after doing the research for the lawsuits, they stay they reported having tons of girls call in and say I have my own story so like that they kind of opened the door for other victims to kind of use their voice or to come forward. I think what what hurts about it is is it's not that women weren't coming forward and even though Society may may not have been on the victim sides at that time. It is refreshing that the Chicago Times were but the the part that hurt me the most was them doing the research and then finding that there were five six figure dollar settlements that had been giving to these families who were filing lawsuits. So we don't really know how many women there were we don't know how many people try to come forward. We don't even know what they endured. We don't know. What the youngest. Is that he's ever been like we don't know what that is because they've been paid off and hush money right or he had them signed nda's and whatever the case may be and it's just like that's what you are suppressing a community of women who didn't go on to develop other type of problems from that situation come on out of the people that came forward. They even said even out of those that came forward. They still didn't come forward a hundred percent. It was only a certain Amount of them that a lot of them was like well, I don't want them to know all of this. I don't want them to know all of that. I don't want to expose my name. I don't and so you have to think about the ones who did get the hush money and think of the power that are Kelly got in rushing someone who could really use that money think of the position that a lot of these families were in because in a lot of those families didn't weren't wealthy. Hmm. So think of I feel it very sad when you can put a price on the well-being of your child, Yeah, that is the satyr part of it all I think because there's no amount of money. You could pay me sorry and then everybody does have their own phone. No, it's about you go, but I was just going to say this is that we can't really judge. I can't really judge. You know, the reasons behind it people settle out of court every day for various reasons. So I don't want to just say that like, oh if your family is one that settled if you made the decision to settle then that means like you didn't do right right, but I II do feel that those families there's a lot of those families that didn't come forward again. So I just I feel I feel like that says something even in itself in okay, so that that point is going to come back up because that kind of was an underlying thing for episodes three or four when it comes to the money. We saw it come up with different people but talking about the victims and how they didn't want that much to be out there. Even though they still were coming forward. We're introduced to Lisa Van Allen. Who was our Kelly's girl. And at the time she was I believe 17. Yes pretty young. If I'm correct. She was 17 when they got together and you know, they had their thing but man the drama yeah the stuff she started unfolding and I'm with her a hundred percent and in support of her, but I apart of me felt like a part of me felt when she was telling her story. Like how could you So she's talking about her story. She's talking about her relationship with our Kelly. She's talking about how he forced her made her have threesomes with with younger girls. She's also a minor at this point, even though in Chicago 17 is of age. Yes. I learned that from this show exactly. I never knew that I wouldn't when I read that part and I was just like, huh? I was like I had no idea. Yeah, so she's still a minor of sexual consent age. According to Chicago having threesome with who she thought was a 16 year old at the time. So this was the story that kind of right made me feel like what's the difference? Yeah. She comes in her mind. She's thinking. Oh, she's just a year younger than me. Right and I are man in she's young herself. So she's like, oh, she's 16 like she's probably turning 17 this year or something like that. Like there's no I mean when I think someone that's one year younger than me. I think we're the same. Age I think we're in the same bracket. We can be on the same page. But I mean I suppose it's a little different when you're talking about under you know 18, but I think it was that and it was just the fact that she was already caught up in not wanting to go against him and that whole psychological cycle that she had been in for a while at that point. It's like whether the girl was 12 or whether she was 14 like she was going to have to have sex with him. Regardless Glee drinking the Kool-Aid. It's so bright. It's no telling where they were mentally I sat here. And after I said what I said about her knowing better, I had a thought when we were kids. We have cousins or siblings who maybe two or three years older than us and when we were kids it seemed like they were so far much older or like the age Gap with so much different. Like I have bit cousins or people who are Elder to me and I'm like like light years away. But as I got older I was like no we were we were just we were the same age so I could understand how The time it could have been like oh 16. We're the same age bracket. Oh 14. That's a whole different world. Right but then I go back to the tape because as I mentioned I saw that table and and this episode I was like, oh my gosh, that's her on the tape that I saw and the 14 year old. So they're both on this tape, so you can see that I see the clay the did anyone else to take I'm ready and one looks like a grown woman body. Body-wise and the other one looks like way younger than me, you know at the time I was in my grade and her body just didn't even look developed. Wow, like it just didn't look developed and I won't get into details because but that's how I literally look nothing. This is a whole child from you being able to see the video. Could you Did you know that that was our Kelly in the video? Yeah, you can clearly was it was it wasn't a clear video is VHS a little shaky, but you can tell that that was him. You can tell even with the part when you tried to blame it on a little brother and said it was a little brother and all these things. It was just like oh it's a double it wasn't him and it's just like the person operating in that video lives there and you can tell they're very comfortable with the atmosphere and at one point someone in another room shouts his name there like got they even say yeah. They said they would like you are girls. You got to get on the line. Someone's on a line or something like that. That's like that's like that's you know, that's you know, okay. So before we get to the trout we have Lisa who's given us the the back story of how she had have threesomes and she found out that the girl was 14 not 16 and apparently R.Kelly love to videotape himself as any Millennial today would all be always have our phone. We're always trying to document. I know Islam that was before his time. He clearly should have channeled the energy somewhere else. So he's he's in love with videotaping himself, which naturally as a predator. You would also want to record your sexual encounters because as a psychologist said on the show, it's like that trophy that trophy kind of thing and and I get it. I'm not a predator, but I have to make that clear but I know the feeling of taking a good video in my opinion, what would Video and then watching it back and reliving those emotions like oh my gosh. I had so much fun Champion yourself, you know what? I mean? Like, yeah look at me. So to know that he did that same thing with child porn. Yeah. It's just like dude and he knew was wrong because we heard from the tour manager. He said that are the kahane to him. He's like dude. I can't stop I can't stop recording myself. So he knew that it wasn't right. He also said to his tour managers like the if these tapes get out they're going to destroy us. Right exactly. Like they're going to destroy me but us so imagine. I feed you. I keep food on your table Yeah us if you're not trying to go down then you need to protect me to protect us. Yeah, which sucks because I everyone looks at the team right like the team is responsible to for helping him cover it up, but they're looking at a completely different. They're the most guilty in separating Lisa from being the victim. Him and her being in that situation at the moment. She made a decision to save herself. When she stole the tape and it started to get rumored that the tape was going to be leaked. It wasn't like she's like she stole the tape. It wasn't she wasn't and she wasn't in the mindset of saying dang. We're on this tape. Let me not have this tape go out. Whatever the case. Maybe it's more so like yeah, he's a predator. Yeah, he victimizes us but I don't want my face to be seen but she gave it to someone another lawyer because because As a victim her mindset is anybody but him maybe I could be safe with she probably trusted whoever this other artists was the one who ended up getting out because she they didn't give us any information to give us any information as they were anything and I think to for her it was probably like that layer of I'm still just removed from this like no, I meant even though she's in the video with him and a minor but it's still like if I can say if my face isn't in here if I got there still a way for me to not be attached to this. Mess so much respect to her though reliving the story and being able to sit in front of a camera for the docu-series and say I had sex with a 14 year old. Yeah, that's a lot that me saying that I I have no affiliation to the situation and that just like that brought a lot out of me. Yeah. It's a hard thing to say. So, you know regardless of the decision. She made our didn't make I totally respect and appreciate her today for being able to not walk around what she Did not say he made me I only did it because granted that may be the case, but she still sat there and said and owns a it's okay. Yeah, right that's huge. Right because and it also is telling you I mean so many times we hear things that sounds that outlandish and our initial reaction is to like cancel this person or be disgusted. But when put in context it stands, you know what I mean to hear like, oh I was 17 and 16, but I think it takes a lot but But that type of friends and bravery was needed to like get the exposure right took Hannah go on, but at me and it's crazy because you went from this age group to the next and we'll talk about that in the next hour. Yeah. Hmm. I don't know Keith and I did this thing last episode where we kind of took the temperature of where we stood on how much of the docu-series we believed and how much we didn't now there was a story that came out that Lisa Van Allen only stole the tape to Or Kelly from money and not because she didn't want it to be seen she tried to use the tape against him. I kind of want to know how do you feel about that? Like do you think she stole the tape and took the tape out of his bag to save herself or was it like I could use this to like have one up on you. It seems that I don't think she would do that because it seems like all the people that were like the his victims were truly afraid and I don't think they would do anything or else. I feel like they could have left and not come back and done things like that, but she was going back after. After that, secondly it see it appeared to me that she took the tape because she was upset that she saw that he had been having sexual encounters with the 14 year old without her but she didn't see that until she took the tape right bro. She she she she watched the tape right but she's saying I had to I had to have a reason to take the tape before I could see this she watched the tape. She took the watch the tape and then she saw that and then she took it. Okay. I thought she just I don't know I don't Remember if she watched the tape then took the tape or took the tape and watch the tape or whatever. It was. She wanted to watch it your way and she took it so she could be in a safer place to watch it and not get caught. Right it was either it was once that she saw that there were separate acts. She thought this was the thing they did together. Hi and on that tape, which is the one I saw I didn't see them together. It wasn't a threesome that tape was something separate with her and then later it goes into the one with the him in the 14 like she said that she fast forward it and saw that right. I don't remember which one came first, but it sounds it appeared that she was hurt that it's so strong but that makes so much sense. If she that that's not the reason I'm trying to like figure out the timeline of it because if she did watch the tape them still that's then take the tape. It's like okay I was for it when it was us but for me to fast-forward and see this I'm now I'm going to take a cuz I'm pissed so I totally get that but then it changes things if she took the tape and didn't know that she would see this separate account. Encounter with jet, you know what? I mean? Right? I don't think she knew what she was going to find on the table. The cific what happened was he left the tape alone in a room with her in a black duffel bag? Yeah and while he was gone, she watched the tapes. Okay. She didn't like vocally say that she was pissed or anything like that that that it was separate a Chic account, but it was definitely changed. It was a it's so strange because you have these women and they were like, I was forced to do this. But there is a choice in being forced to innocence but when you're drinking the Kool-Aid, you know, your mind is scrambled. So even though she was in that position for her to be like no this was our thing. It was really his thing. This was all him everything that was done with what he wanted to be done. Right? But I feel like she was so used to it that she was like, okay, this is this is what I know. It's the brainwashing. Yes together. We are going to encounter we're going to engage together with her and I think she goes Yeah, I didn't know he then I saw him with her by themselves. I was not there and when she says that it's almost a self realization of a shock. It's a shock within a shock within a shock like that. She didn't matter like it didn't matter if I was present or not present. He still is going to do what to do. What like that was a shock for her truth makes sense because we have to remember they were like in a relationship. I mean it hurt in her mind her mind is right. I'm in a relationship. He doesn't do this with somebody else but to check in on like the temperature. I mean I can see an argument for both because especially if you add that layer inside I'ma go. I I don't think that she was trying to extort from money there and I don't think character but there is a story later. I will tell you of a person I think like this kind of went a different way, but that's right. But I believe I don't think she's trying to what store what made me believe her for me to give my check-in. I do not believe she was trying to take the money. And the reason I don't believe it is because if she was when rumor came out to the Chicago Times that someone may have had video she wouldn't have tried. She won the told him right? Hey I saw this video we need to try to get it back because I'm on that video, right if she wanted money for she would have been like I got a copy of the video right? She saw thought he was dishing out to those to the a person. Yeah, you know, I would easily be like, okay, but that choice though also and I mean if you if you have anyone that have experienced something like this. Maybe you can help me with the understanding of it the choice to call our Kelly and say I have this video. I don't we should get the video back, you know, we don't need the video to get out. She could have chose a different route and really ended ended him. Yeah, but she didn't and I think it was a good goes back to fear. Yeah, and sorry, I agree with you. I don't think that she did it to extort him because if she did she would have went ahead and released the video or took it to TMZ or whomever when she got it, but she didn't she gave it to someone else and told them to hold it. So I feel like like you said she would have wanted a completely different route if that's what she wanted to do. But she didn't yeah, I definitely think it was the like a Fear Factor just like growing up if you get a bear report. There's nothing worse than your parents knowing I think in this extreme is The only thing worse is for him to find that are for the world to see who he is. Right and ultimately you got remember she loved him. Yeah, she loved him and you know, they all loved him. You know what I also have to remember. So Lisa has she's very strong and her Essence her strength. Just alludes. We don't know how much therapy or what kind of healing it took for her to be in front of the camera to say I had sex with a 14 year-old compared to her mentality then like those cheat though. She's strong right now and she's doing all of that that does not mean she had that same mindset where she could have easily been like this is a fort like she knew that having sex with a 14 year old was wrong and she was obviously upset about it was like this crosses a line, but there's there's development. She's She's a full, you know develop into the woman that she would be exactly. So we also have to remember that the decisions at the time she made the best decision that she could for herself. Yeah. Which gets a little crazy. So we're introduced back to Sparkle. So I bring up Lisa strength because Sparkle also has two strength, but she also has a different reality in these two episodes because she watches the tape also and notices that the little girl the 14 year old has the same hairstyle that her niece just got for her 14th birthday. Mmm. Yep, and she knew immediately. That was her niece immediately because she feels like she wanted to Just like any one of you would notice one of your family members and if you would be able to point them out if that was them, you know, that that's them, you know, and then to seek to have to see them in that light. I cannot fathom this was this was the second heartbreaking story for me because through the trial the video is now out someone put out a copy like jumping through the whole lie detector test with Lisa and Whoever she gave the tape to our Kelly to make sure that there's no other copies. Obviously the guideline he felt the test, which is also which also is very crazy that he made them both. Take a lie detector test who who who gave me that idea you go through all these extreme levels. So the tapes out there. They're they're going to file child pornography charges against you 21 counts of that. That's He's the house money King baby. You have to take it to that next levels and Heights. That's ridiculous. He's a control freak. He wants to know everything he needs to have his hand and pretty much everything. He had to know. He's a predator. Yeah, so there are trowel and the Sparkle and her niece and their family broke me to the core. Yeah because you now have evidence of this man. Even I don't even know what to call it because it's not just simple hardcore porn is not simply a child pornography. It's not simply rate like it's so much more than that because it's tied to so many different girls again there I go camera motion. I feel you. So frustrating it is there you have him on trial you have the opportunity to put him away. Then before before the family even breaks and it's all of these things you have the trial that's delayed. For years years and years that is that enters you directly into the mine of our Kelly. and the fact that he had the power to delay it how I still don't even and it was delayed for eight years. Yeah, that's insane. I didn't even know that they had the power to do that. It's what it's for the defendant, right? The defendant has the power to delay it and delay it which I think he's considered the defendant, right and that's case. Yeah, because which has he has to defend himself which work in his favor obviously, but the thing is, I don't think that just happened he knew exactly what he was doing. Well. Yeah, that's the point because a little girl on on the stand in front of the jury. Make him look worse. He needed her to grow a little more. He needed time to maybe work on them and communicate with them and and and talk to them because what was he really good at doing he was good at coaching the women the girls. He was good at, you know, teaching them how to speak and deal with certain questions like he did with Alia so he needed that time to butter up himself to make him look better. Yeah, and it obviously works is who knows what kind of conversations he had with sparkles. Brother and sister-in-law and they explained that they said I guess the defendant also has the right to a speedy trial so you can get It sped up if that's what you want to do. But like you said he chose not to purposely the 14 year old that was in Sparkles. Nice went from being 14 to 22 about time. Oh my gosh, that trout happened like like what? Yep how that that that pissed me off. So that was one of the things that like really pissed me off because You have this man. I don't care what the defendant wants you do not appease know the fact that he wanted to go slower or to delay it. No, that's not happening. Yeah, you have a child. No, that's not happening. Yep, and I hate to think like this, but I can't help but to feel that if these were white girls, right and and it was still our Kelly or a black man. I feel like that would have gotten squashed. I don't think that would have been allowed or the parents would have Made sure that that didn't happen but the parents in this situation, it seems like they weren't trying to put our Kelly for this early trial the parents were just not non-existent. You have to ask yourself that kids where were their parents? How did you allow your teenage daughter to go? You know to how did you allow our colored even have access to her? Yeah. How does that happen seemed like there were there were two different ways like either the child was Interested in becoming a star he's a rapper right? She was a rapper singing some sort of Entertainer or they were just a super fan. I know one girl. I can't remember her name was there were so many but she said that she had a single mom. Her. Mom was always working. So when your mom was working that's when she would go spend time. So that's something she's coming up in the next two episodes. Yeah. See some parents just didn't know they had no idea until it was too late. So see a some of them shouldn't have let that happen, but then others just didn't know but in this case I feel Like the parents may not have known in the beginning but I feel like once they found out there was like a Talk Amongst them that yeah, something got communicated that we're going to just sit this one out and and and I don't want to judge them because in their mind it might have been for the betterment of the little girl. Yeah, because I don't want her to grow up behind it. But we know that nobody is saying who then yeah, we still don't know who she is and that's how protected she's been and imagine had the opposite occurred. All know her name we all know where she is what she's been doing specially because at the trial not only did you have people wanting to put him away you kind of that was it was Zero presentation almost of people saying Lockhart Kelly up it was more so of he's innocent y'all trying to lock up another black. Yeah. Y'all trying to lock up lock up another black man, right these girls wanted it. So as as a parent, I also would understand protecting, you know that sense of it, but Don't send your family to the trial just don't do it or or have that conversation with sparkle. Like there's a way to talk about it with the your family and it's in the whole family without the mess that it was at the trial her brother got on the stand and said that's not mine. That's not mine. That's not - that's not my daughter and my niece. Yeah, like that's not her what I heard. Yeah, you have the aunt saying that's for sure my niece and then her brother saying that's for sure not might like Yeah, some man that had to have been so frustrating for Sparkle, especially she had the weight on her shoulders a feeling that it was her fault and she put her niece in that position. I can't even imagine how hard that was to deal with and she said she didn't talk to her family for 10 whole years right over and over this. Yeah, I mean, but imagine if you if your family is going head-to-head where you believe this and you believe this and we both aren't backing down. So we're both telling our troops. Yeah, but but but we don't know. They didn't believe it or if because what we understand is our Kelly and the nice developed a relationship so he could she could very well still be with him there was so I forget which part of the series I was watching, but we thought that they had no more relationship. I at one point at one point until Lisa was like we had the threesome with the 14 year old girl. I know this. Fourteen-year-old girl found out and and what's-her-name. Javonte said this is the same 14 year old that she said that was made that was my baby. So she made us understand that we thought our Kelly was done with sparkles knees but she's in fact the one that he Captain's gone what and then even if you're going to protect her that's fine. I totally understand that take the money if that's the option. Also if we going to protect you we gonna take the money too because now to Ready broke and we her and use that money for the years and years of counseling and therapy exactly what you through. However, there is a way to punish him for all the other women because you know that you're not the only you know that you're not the only minor right. So instead of just let him walk away with it. And then what makes it worse is right after the trial the Miami incident shows up where he what you can't get a he couldn't get enough. I can't help but think that if he would have if the family Sparkles Family would have said Ed yes, that's her. None of what happened after that would have happened because our television been put away so many people have been saved. Yeah, and then you also have sparkle nice his friend who who's fighting for I'm I'm fighting for you. I know that that's you I know what happened to you. I know who you were. I know who you can come close and the coach I'm fighting for you. Do you know how heartbreaking it is for us to finally have the opportunity to lock this animal away. And no like you won't even I'm not a hundred percent convinced that if the family would have come forward if he wouldn't have gotten off because as you see they asked one of the jurors and he's like, I just can't believe none of them. Yeah. I didn't I'm leaving he said because they were black girls. He said because of how they looked and how they have a dress and and that's how a lot of black women females are feet each other. How that's how we are perceived. That's how we're taught to see each other like so even while watching it we we're watching like what's your mannerisms? Like? Let me see if I can believe you. She seemed like she was out there. She's probably like he was fast exactly so sad disgusting and that's where we hold ourselves accountable. Like we need to start looking in the mirror and figuring out cuz he's not the archives not the only one know who to lay. So we get into some new things. Well Keith, what what what what what is it gets worse. It only gets worse because we hear from Jada Pinkett Smith about art Kelly's record sales going going up streaming going screaming - what's going on watch one, two, three and four parts and then the initial the next response is he makes more money that makes no sense to me. Well, this is gonna say and everyone's been talking about the fact that the songs are telling us everything. We need to know so everyone wants to go back and listen to these songs, which is causing listens to go up which is causing money to go up. So, I don't know if there's anything we can really do about that. You're not listening for free on YouTube, right? But it's like, I mean we can be upset that it's happening but people are still going to do it when people think it's funny still they suggest we allow some people need Chappelle and Boondocks, you know, we allowed it to be funny right? I could see wiggle room like after three and four, but I feel like after watching five and six like I know like my responsibility is to be like, oh same you are Kylie. We have a quick video from Jada Pinkett Smith where you can find on her Instagram at Jada Pinkett Smith. I'm just to get more into the details see the comments again into the conversation of why is his records going up. I guess I guess we just want to we want to read here but as we mentioned earlier like the songs, even though we're watching the documentary we might be against it the songs have been playing in my head and give me Q. I'm not listening to them. I'm not streaming them. I know them by Heart Like that's how much of his music I was into. Yep, Chile Miss Smith. Mrs. Smith. We're going to get into parts of five and six soon. But until then you guys know where to find us. Is this Jada talking about videos? She's just so confused about it and I'm having a really difficult time understanding why you were kicking holes. I think she just kind of trying to I really would like for you guys to help me understand what I'm missing. Even if it even if I'm missing something that I don't necessarily agree with I just want to understand what I'm missing. So if you could sound off below that be great and we can continue the conversation Wednesday at 5 p.m. Pacific. I'm on our Facebook live. I love and I don't want to believe that it's she's using her platforms. Don't know. Yeah, I don't want to believe that it's because like girls don't matter. So let me know. I love that. She's using her platform. I love that she spoke up about watching it with her daughter and having real conversation about it because it is a societal thing. Yes. It is very much is outside of the trial and everything else. We all played a part in it also with not Leaving it could be him for sure. You know what I mean for sure and everybody is in a super well, whether they're super fans are not everyone doesn't know other lyrics by heart like you right now what I'm saying? So I do think them trying to listen to the songs and they're like wait, wait what because my mind's telling me no, but what but my body of child when I hear that now, you know, what you're doing is wrong your mind is telling you know, because you're doing something you shouldn't be doing why would Might be telling you know, if you're just an adult doing adult things with another adult unless you just have to play hard to get with another dope, but we know that that's not the case now when we listen to that it gets it gets it gets really really hard. But for real like Elena said y'all should just do it on YouTube. Yeah, stop streaming music. We'll get more into this conversation for day 3 the final two episodes of surviving are Kelly until then you can follow me on all social platforms at hand to score it. 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