Are you guys hear me the other way? All right, what's up? Everybody? We're back man. We are here in Tribeca in the new Studios. In the new Studios of police off the cuff right here on I'm not going to give out the edges, right we doing it. Yeah, so I blew the 60 of the fans are going to come down here. They're gonna line up. We'll be mobbed and be like Broadway one when we get out and we're gonna have to sign autographs and stuff. But we're back here man with downtown. We have an exciting guests. What can I say about this guy? He's a former deputy chief on the NYPD and then he went on to be the commissioner the police commissioner first police commissioner that we've had here. That's we have books right? Listen, we've had well, we had a chief of department so far. We have the chief of the medical examiner's office. We've had lieutenants sergeants obviously detectives, but we haven't had a police commissioner. That's the first one the first and then mind you it's Yonkers. Yeah. She underwhelming. All right. I like it Edmund who calls you Edmond anybody's night. My sainted mother rest, her soul would call me Administration. She was ticked off its family calls me Edmund usually in some some guys just to break my chops. Call me Edmund. Where you from born in Brooklyn, but raised in Washington Heights and we only community of Washington Heights. That's great. Where did you grow up with Street and Washington Heights mostly hunt 71st 172nd on 18th Street went to Incarnation can tell you one thing. It's Carnation. Yeah, great Wayne you an altar boy. I used to the high mass hold the candles. I wasn't ready for being an altar boy. So I hold the candle the candle would fall off and then the priests would yell at me. It's probably a good thing though that yeah, I didn't Advance too far on the old. What year is this? They were in Washington Heights those years moved there in 1960 and stayed the neighborhood until the early 80s. Okay. Yeah because you are my my grandmother lived out. I have to work. My great grandma lived on 174th in was the Saint Nick. Right right. I'm down the block from Incarnation. Yeah. So my cousin's way needs to go to that school. That's a pretty great neighborhood my friends my time up here. So oh, yes, and it's obviously it's very Dominican now, but back then it was Diversified. It was very it's you know, what it's a great place to grow up. We have to f2q befell we get a lot of Cubans that moved in and a lot of Occupational people then they wind up taking fairly menial jobs. And then Puerto Rican folks came Dominicans came and they know what does great place to grow and then after the Dominicans came, then more Dominicans came and then and then then more Dominicans. Yeah, and then Did you just keep coming? There's nobody else comes but it's it was a great place to grow up and then I meet some old cop, you know years later when I'm on the job and he asked me where I grew up. So I said Washington Heights and he says man, that's a shitty neighborhood. So, you know, I didn't realize was a bad neighbor until I moved I had to like bring me down and say it was a bad day, but you did you pick up any Spanish in Washington Heights a bit a bit. Yeah. Now you couldn't leave him on the deck. You never brought good sneakers - oh so you are swimming but your sneakers because in the one that's a New York City gang, right everybody good with one arm back in the day. I remember we used to have these chairs like a keyholder around your neck. And then we had these hats mesh hat. We'd fold them this way and then you had your Adidas with the fat laces and the shell top Adidas. Remember that the and then you put the fat laces that match the stripes on. It was a whole thing, man. It was growing up in that neighborhood was a it was great. I grew up there and then the story was split because my parents divorce but Washington Heights was a great neighborhood man, and he was there was a lot of Greeks there. Yeah, those things go terribly thin. I went to I went to the not the porno theater one, whatever you didn't go there but there was a lot of movie theaters. Okay? Oh Akio 181st Street. Yeah. That's the one I was talking about Louise Paradise my uncle used to work at that Deli right there that Deli that was in Delhi. No, that's North and now that was a 180th and brought. Okay between 180 is one of the first and the reason why that I like that because when he worked there was a teenager and he used to give food to the ushers sandwiches and stuff like that when the officers used to come in on their break. So they used to let us into the movie for free so I can go see any movie in that movie theater whenever I wanted because everybody knew my uncle Dante and there's a beautiful theater at 170 Fifth and Broadway, which when I was a kid was a low he's and great theater beautiful inside and Reverend Ike the yeah. Member of an evangelist took it over. He stole his people still own it. It's if you go, but the marcius it does it still sing every night when you go by there, I think so think so it takes up the whole block from 175 176 from here to watch the show, right? He had TV. She's one of the first I think TV evangelists. Oh wow, but you know, there's no more movies this we were ticked off it took over that whole theater for me, huh? Yeah when I see this is the movie from the movie Malcolm X when there's a rumor the attempted assassination when they get your hand out of my pocket and it goes what Hopefully these ducks down Jimmy see that Malcolm X the movie. No, but I know he was he was killed in the neighborhood. Yes, you know. Okay. What about Ballroom? Not far from where I live that's in this. I always thought that it was that it happened in the Reverend Ike theater. It happened down at about if you're familiar with the neighbors right across from Columbia Presbyterian hospital. They actually call the plot X Plaza in his memory, but he was killed right there on the Autobahn Ballroom. Okay, so probably 1965 and I remember that when it happened they actually carried him right across the street into into Columbia pres, but he was dead at that point. That's horrible. Okay. So what you did you get on the job? I came on the job in November of 1979 actually shout out to my classmates. We just had our 40th anniversary great work done. He looks young get the work done. Thank you. Thank you. It's a look good on the outside. Anyway, uh-huh. That's how I am what we were the first class actually at the layoffs. So about 440 of us, which is a small delay like talking about when the in the 70s they laid off a Have have to Department. Yeah, they didn't they didn't hire a cop in five years and they finally the economy kind of turned out a little bit and they hired us and I think one of times that flies in the face of the Irish culture saying take a civil service job. Yeah, these are kill you'll never get laid off and he's got laid off and some of them came back as you know, and some of them didn't and we were the first class and they were just getting rid of these cars these green white cause and if we get these cars, but we want to show at home. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Like I said, I was born in the back of one of these but But the average cop in a radio call in 1979. I think was 38 years old. So the job had gotten old and we were only a handful coming out. We think about the grand scheme of things spreading us out across the city 440 cops 41 housing 400 NYPD. So we were kind of thrown into a Precinct and you know, it was a whole different culture in the precinct that time where they looked upon us. It was post cervical and everything within that commission and Corruption. So when we came on the job all the old timers pretty much thought that we were at to a wire There to collect, you know to capture them doing bad things and nothing could be further from the truth. We just want to learn how to do they wouldn't talk to you though very seldom. Do they talk to you and they all thought that we we thought we were big shots. They all kind of made fun of us if we had college degrees or like that and Old Times isn't a locker room were asking me if I had college that you got college and I said, yeah, but they made it sound it was a disease College. Yeah, but I better get some ointment. You want to make a point but these guys made it sound like it was a detriment to be a college educated person in the job and but they also wanted to send the message that yeah, you're a college gap between the same locker room with us. Now, aren't you two were all standing there are in our underwear debating this point, you know what we talked about that before it's like when you came on cops were in bad shape back, then they smoked two packs of cigarettes a day. They drank coffee like it was lifeblood. And if most of them drank a lot, right? Yeah, and then they would tell they were all fine. Angel advises take a pension loan every six months. It's the best thing right guys. It's a Once you become a minister. Remember those guys they became that's right. They keep the pony ministers. They said no federal tax taken that they all got almost College some of them they'll have to pay the money back but there was guys that were like, I'm a bishop in my church or the skies cold again the ones the they wanted they don't want it to have a driver's license or a Sovereign Nation Southern Vietnamese. Yeah those guys those guys have great. Yeah. These guys had no ideology behind it. They just want not to pay taxes. Exactly. So cause there was always somebody trying to come up with a scheme of how to avoid paying taxes believe me this but smarter people than you have figured out how to make everybody except for the people that like Amazon and Al Sharpton and possibly the president don't pay taxes. Don't pay they figured it out. We didn't we didn't figure it out. Oops. We'll pay forever, you know, so you came on in 1979 man that must have been some time, you know the South Looks back then was lit. Literally the whole place was on fire. I'm sure we were you still living you. Obviously, we're still living in Washington Heights. I live in Washington Heights and the way and it's you not neighborhood stabilization Unit Nine, as you know, is it's a kind of a training set up where you go in your cover four precincts. She basically we're gonna top the table. Sorry, I gave you an order a massage. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much because it comes over the mike. Thanks for sharing that but but yeah, they just threw radio cars and he was supposed to have so many foot posts. There was one of us out there. There was no like there was no field training put you right now. That's why they put you with it. We had a great, you know fto field training officer, you know old detective really showed you the job like the to hand over hand in the beginning he had to get to work. Now these guys were good. These guys were good. We had a great guy still pumping from every now and then my old fto Bill Clark Bill if you're out there good man, that's not the NYPD Blue Bill Clark. No, no, no this guy to feel about Serpico when you talk about that. Time in the police department. I always go back to the movie Serpico and how just it's such a perfect movie to capture that time and how the police departments were back then and the way he gets in and he's got his uniform over his over his shoulder and he wants a locker in the deserts barely looks up at him. He's like, yeah go upstairs. That's the case. It was nobody was happy to see you saying like there's no welcoming party a kid like Congratulations, this is IBM. Come on up. We got your desk ready. And I think as a young cop at the old Lieutenant be on the desk. Look at that is knows that his glasses and he be writing forever and I'm thinking I'm new in the job. I'm like, what is he writing? That's the good part of it was just an act you don't pay any attention to me. He was hoping that when he looked up I be gone away. I still be there 20 minutes later that day. What do you want to go back to riding again? They were like really autocrats, you know, they were like the captain of a ship. They ran the place and you didn't dare go behind the desk for God's sake. You had asked for he had asked for permission you went by and just get such a mission that come behind the desk so violated now, everyone is behind it. I remember asking the corsage permission to come behind the desk because you want to go grab a 28 is Right which is you know permission to take a day off right which he handed to the same desk sergeant with the $5 bill attached. I really need that. They Autos a different my son's christening different job, but you know the but the old the cops would definitely very protective of The younger cops they met on the street. They would back it. Once you got it. Once you got on the street. I was a different story. Yeah, but listen that that little attitude never change. I mean for the search for the first six months that you're in a command nobody really talks to you you just in everybody's way. Yeah, you know, they're watching you and the person the people that came up to you and talk to you the most in the beginning were usually the ones that were ostracized by the command the ready that's right. They were cops that work there that nobody trusted nobody liked and now there's new people there. So now they have Chance to make friends again or have somebody to talk to so they try to get two new guys on this side and you could see like if you were if you were filling guy back then and it was one guy available to work with that's the guy you talked. Yeah, we want to work with he's probably a kook. He's a nut or you drunk whatever it was. Now, you're stuck with that guy for ya. I learned pretty quick. I'm going to go put somebody in handcuffs to get away from this guy. Yeah, it's my new partner. I'll take that football still today. He saw a I'll be back in half an hour with something cause I must say no late. I was at this nut. It was a lot of nuts. Fact done to so so you get into your command, which was the one that you said was the NSU nine, right? Yep, covered the four six two four seven the 500 and the five to we mostly the for six and a 5-2 to come out like a bat out of hell making a lot of coffee. Yeah. We like to make a rest my partner and I was still my buddy. Terry Muldoon great guy came from a police family. I did not so we kind of just have a lot of brothers and sisters growing up. I was the youngest of two simpler two brothers and a sister and one of my brother's just passed. So no, I'm sorry. Here. Did you guys sing Irish folk songs in the radio car together? No. No, I'm Irish for not that Irish. I mean so you guys got a car right away. Now, you know what they there was no cops up there. So you'd show up at the four six and they just throw you in the car together. Okay, we would blind leading the blind but it worked out. Okay, so you got it and I'm sure the cars were in great shape, right? Yeah the great shade there plush institution AC was cranking all the time. What are we what are we using these? No cratons concert. Remember this guy that I worked we got a brand-new car, right? So he took his pen it's a brand-new car takes his pain and he Jabs it right into the - water bang right there. Okay. We got a pen holder like they're from that point on every time you took out his play. Do you do your report you put the pen right back and you can hold it and my partner my partner to Muldoon, you know my good buddy to this day. He learned real quick by the by the second week in the street. He had nothing on his gun belt. Everything was from except his holster and That loop with a high stick whenever he took everything off and he said a successful day is when we don't put pen to paper. He was handling disputes over the intercom. Don't make me come up there. Don't make me come up there. He was the best you guys had some of those Broncs tricks that we couldn't do that nowadays. He was the best good days when we don't put pen to paper. Oh my God Tim invented the term the job sucks and he didn't really mean it. You say it all the time like you have a training Squad you coming out and what's the sign up book? I guess the sergeant was told. And identify with these guys and deal with them and interact with them. So the sergeant was up on a foot-post and he was kind of stiff. He pulls up. He's got a clipboard and he goes hello Edmund and how are you today? It was very scripts very scripted and I'm good. I just want to get him out it. Yeah good Sergeant. Everything's fine. Thank you very much. Thank you very much your scratch and signed my book. And and my buddy Tim will do in his formal. First name is Austin. Nobody calls him Austin. Welcome Tim for some reason his family calls him Tim. Again, the sergeant goes so Austin. What do you think of the police department? So I'll do the funny guy to this day is very funny guy. And I know what he's going to say. I'm going like kind of telepathically like don't say it. Don't say I sure enough he salutes and he goes the job sucks Sarge Sarge it goes really he's writing all kinds of notes down about will do like, you know, Renegade irrational whatever's right down. So I'm trying to defend I said, oh, he's only kidding Sergeant. Oh, is that right now? He's riding on my folder like Bad things about me now if I'm defending Muldoon, but we'll do it is quite the character in this audience back then like I said, they're not bad guys, but this guy was again the I guess he was forced to interact with us and he wasn't a very warm and fuzzy guy to begin with. So how did you guys handle the domestic violence cases back then? You know, it's I look back on it now and the job at the time we were basically bouncers. Yeah, we would go to apartments and we would tell some guy to get out if you resist it a little bit, you know, those cops there that he wanted to he wanted to fight a little bit you got didn't always get arrested. Want to fight you're on top he got he got accommodated and but then we were like take his keys out of his pocket and it's basically what it looks like a robbery we think about it whether they're pulling key that is guys pocket so you don't matter but I want house so we don't come back home and he comes back, you know the next day and so it was accomplishing nothing me think about it, but that's the way the job was now it's swung completed the other way. So I think so but back then, you know, it wasn't a really successful domestic violence program was apartment was not at all and then when you make boys and you go to a scene, it's like you're Afraid to walk away from the scene, right? Yeah, if someone gets killed. Oh, yeah, but wait, wait, wait what when did you so you stayed in NICU? And then where did you go to work? When did you become a week a massage his first sergeant first obviously, but where did you go to work after that? It's funny. I got I was living in Manhattan at the time again, Washington Heights and all the orders come down broken transfer to our Precinct stop so-called permanent commands and all my buddies are all going to precincts and this I'm not even in the orders. So I look me and other nine nine other. No, sorry Souls. We get sent to the Manhattan traffic area if it had Traffic Division. Wow working at a 30th Street horrible. I mean listen the nice guys some of them a nice guys, but so we only want to go out. That's not what you wanted to do. So we got sent there and they greet Us by saying welcome to your last command so it's kind of disheartening because you going with it. No one leaves their right nobody want and and this guy's wanted to go there but they picked us because he lived in Manhattan. They don't do us a favor and the same kid relax. You got a detail. I didn't want this detail I wanted I did that we're gonna Precinct you want to sew into the radio calls and learn your job from a valuable lesson there. They they said you're not leaving make Sergeant you leave but you're not leaving and all that's interesting. Nobody to cut take your place. They can we don't want it. We want you we want me for you had to direct traffic and he had to write parking tickets and these guys down there were like parking ticket machines. I mean some of them were writing 7580 tickets a day and in various precincts. So we said I learned a valuable lesson me and my partner I buried a good guy stole my buddy to this day. We basically said because we're young cops. Not too bright. We said we're not doing anything We're not gonna do it will not get if we don't write tickets. They have to get rid of us. Mmm. Well, they kept us the longest. So if they said no you're gonna so at the end we wrote some tickets and I was putting the 50s request for transfer and every month and anywhere Harlem Bronx Brooklyn anywhere to go to the precinct go to break. The shittiest priest wasn't asking for anything. So finally, I'm the underdog Ninth guy of 10 that they're finally releasing my buddy. Barry was louder about it to me. They kept him longer than me valuable lesson for both of us. So I finally get my orders you going through the 32nd Precinct these guys in traffic. They were so detached from the police department. They said where's that I said uptown Uptown what you want to go there for it's crazy up there if people shoot that people up there. So then they were like you'll be back you'll be sorry, you know making a bad move. You'll be back only go to a detail right up front like that. You're not really doing police work. You're not answering the radio. You're not making College a lot of these guys you get to you stay there too long. You're scared to move anywhere else because you don't know what to do. We are going to go to a place and you got five six years on the job and you have five arrests. Yeah. There's legendary kept what these get anak. They weren't all bad guys, but they were so detached from police work the guy we tell a story an old-time a good guy old time. He says, he's directing traffic at Delancey Street and said A guy walks up to me and says, excuse me. Where's the seventh Precinct? He goes or Right down there on Pitt Street. He goes thank you. He turns around he goes. He's got a screwdriver sticking out of his back. Uh-huh. We should what did you do? He goes he want to wear the precinct when I showed him. The precinct was like that's how Detachment police were like get an ambulance. We had a rumor. I worked in the task force when I was young on the job too. And this the rumor was that some guy came up to this cop that we worked with because I just got shot and he goes where and the guy lifts up his shirt and was a little bit of smoke coming out of this. Tiny little hole in them because it was in the middle of winter. You could see the smoke coming out and then he goes, did you call 9-1-1. He's in a radio car on the traffic headquarters on 30th Street sold kind of looks like a castle but nothing that's a good place for building its beautiful building, but the there was guys there on the late to and all they did was they lock the door and they counted all the parking tickets all day. Oh, yeah, so they said like a duty Captain, you know separate from the traffic command comes to the door. Door and it's like one o'clock in the morning and the doors locked. Now he's banging on the window and a guy in a flannel shirt. Like is Venetian blinds looks out the window. What do you want? Okay, let me in he was nowhere close to being an on-duty captain in uniform what clothes they were little separated from the police department. See this reminds me of when I think it was a Manhattan North when they used to have that place right on I think it was up a little bit of pasta 128th Street and Broadway. What was that Manhattan? What? I meant homicide there is a belly ring a bell and they couldn't catch anybody sleeping. So these have to wait until somebody was going inside the door then running right behind them hold it, you know, so you'd be sitting in the car for half hour officer. Hold on and then he's running with you and it was just to catch the people up there who was sleeping and it's funny the flip side of that is now late in my career. I become a boss and you know, maybe I'm an inspector and I'm doing like a patrol Duty coverage. We got to cover all the precincts and you're in uniform right around signing books and stuff. And if I pulled up in front of the precinct, I would I would give the cop that standing in front the door time to go inside and tell us all in a box on the way and everybody did that. There was a phone call that followed. I was about the 111 Precinct. Nice guys young kid standing front door and I would do it all the time. I stopped at 111 that my look clipboard. I'd wave to him he'd wave back at me. You wouldn't go inside. I stayed up at five minutes. I'm writing their final I got to go in and the poor Sergeant will tend to be on the desk. He'd have his back to the wall feet up read the newspaper like this and you go so Danielle attention, you know that he's gonna and I'm like does the guy outside not like you? Why would he come in? I'm waiting outside for me to come and warn you that I'm coming but common sense, right? That's it. That's common sense is lacking. That's the Queen's Marines. I know you're saying everyone's a good guy, but they're not all good fucking well, this guy just didn't get it. It just didn't get it that you know, I'm here if I want to sneak up on velocity up on him to get out of there you we decided to do is take the Sergeant's test. Well, no, I we had to you know, prostitute ourselves and write some tickets and we finally got our wish is granted and that's what I went through three to the best move. Probably my career. It's a great place. Great time to is Harlem. It is central Harlem from 127th up to up to the Polo Grounds houses like on 59th street from so now you think Nick to stretch it. Yeah, it's plush who was the CEO back then plus remember, it's funny. The CEO was a not a bad guy was the deputy inspector Tom coin who had red hair. So, of course the cops nicknamed him agent orange. Well, I think I think his total was on the job and she was a sergeant in the Queen's test for is that right? I think so because she was a redhead and her last name was going to yeah. He had really bright red hair and I think I'm probably a hundred coins on the NYPD though and it's like Murphy to skip she was a nice Sergeant. So what makes It's you take the Sergeant's test. And since you're now you're happier in the 3-2, and you're you're doing what you want to do. The 3/2 is great when we worked all night Squad shots, you did a midnight a week of midnight every six weeks and I hooked up with my partner Brian Murphy who stole my buddy to this day. We decided to like make a rest. So we went to Lake did he retired as a lieutenant he did. Yeah. I think it was in the building with us 3280 broad. We was he was yep him go to Buff State. That's what I'm talking about. That's it. Right good guys. Both after a couple of months, you know when you when you when you approach somebody about being your partner. It's almost like asking so many go to prom isn't that so cool. We've never covered that bill. What's that? But the thing about when you ask somebody to be your partner, he that's a great thing. He said it's like asking somebody what do you what do you want go to prom and work together checking? Yeah, looking them up and down what kind of like an he was a kid from Levittown? I was just you know City kids we kind of meshed pretty well. And where did you get that one epd from? What did you do? I want to make sure you're a warrior like me. Me. Yeah, we had a guy who was a big guy. But anytime you got a TBD he would stack them together. So Metals kids through us and this thing was up by his nose. That's right this way but had like five ppd's and he put like a pistol shot as well as he is right. Now. First of all and epd can put old all in together was a number on ya like so you could consolidate them so you can get the real metals and then the pistol shot is something that you get in the range just for qualifying and then there's The complexity like the to like than that in 1976 something or 1980s Bicentennial. Yes, you get that one. He had ever heard and then sadly he goes there's some crazy job some big dispute. There's like eight cops in a place as big fight and they lock people up another whole buildings ticked off. This guy goes back to the precinct and says one of his epds fell off. He goes he goes to his product. We gotta go back and get it. Oh good you crazy. I'm gonna kill us in a building like, okay. I'll buy you another one like 50 cents for those. Oh God. If you see someone that's really like into the metal thing. Yeah, and they see a guy like that. They'll be like I do it give me oh, yeah, I don't get pissed. It will report hit your board is not right fix your board fix good. You gotta have a 5 you can fi v p d--'s. What are you kidding me? But yeah, we did wind up our trip together after after a little courtship. I guess you call it. So I love that that what you said though. That's great that figuring out whether you can partner up some of it has to do with Do you like sports wouldn't have the music because you're in the car. I worked with a guy one night and his partner was out so was mine and the Knicks were playing. I remember they're playing the Bulls. It was a playoff Sue's when you know as it when the Knicks were good. Yeah, so I said I'm turning on the game and he goes no I can't listen to it. So why not? You don't like the next it was? No, I love the next I said, yeah, so what's the problem because it makes me crazy. I said well then I'll listen to it on my side of the car. So I switched it and he goes no. No, it's all right. So literally its tip off the first the game just starts tip-off Michael Jordan gets a bill passed him flies down. The courts slam dunks it in the guy he goes fuck and he smashes his head in the side of the of the radio called the window was sitting inside the driver's side bang. I just I'm like, yeah, this is gonna be a long game right now. The first two points, you know basketball is back and forth. For three hours, do you think it's gonna be a long game? I had them drop me off but the end of the game. You must look like ET, you know those things, you know, it's also funny I get this Vision in my head of when you walk into a new command the roll call and nobody knows you yet and they all kind of sort of like looking in you sizing you up, you know, the what was the the phone call that follow you there? Not that led you to there. You know what I'm saying? There's always that who the who this guy is and why? Is he coming there? And we did the homework but the worst is when they say your de mayo. Oh, yes. Yeah. It's like really it's a you know, it's all used to be all men there but it's a very Alpha thing. You know what I'm saying? All the other animals checking out like who is this guy? And it's a tough. It's a tough situation to walk in because everybody's got a you know, you have to have you have to be tough. So you're walking into a room of tough people to begin with. Yeah. Everybody's got a sense of humor or wisest thing to say And the 3-2 had good old time as they're good mix of guys and I used to kid around a little bit. Like I came on November of 79. So I did like seven weeks in the 70s technically in that decade. So I would be with these and now these guys have, you know, one side of the room they've killed nine people in the precinct and they came out there Vietnam guys. I kill people there they kill people here. They kill people everywhere and I'm sitting with them and I'm saying I'm lamenting to them kidding around going Guys these young cops. They don't get it. They're not 70s cops like And these guys have any questions? Yeah. Come on you guys. When did you come on November 17 Ein go sit with them get away from us. Yeah, they said that's 1969 class of the NYPD was like, oh my God, they all just came back from Vietnam. Yeah. Yeah. Well like scary guys. I'm gonna be great cops have a great cops when they were, you know, they didn't suffer fools. Well, no, no. Oh, yeah even so how long did it take you to become Sergeant. I'm going to use that you have on before you decided to I had just about five years. On so I look at that was quick. I was Babyface sergeant and back then when you made Sergeant they sent you to how old were you I was 11 like 20 more do we have to take him to the club? So good stand-up material man. No, I would freeze trust me, but I look very young and back then the job would send you to allegedly to go to the precinct for six months. We make all your mistakes and then you go to your permanent command make no mistakes. So talk about as a sergeant sergeant. So my go to the for eighth Precinct in the Bronx, which was also the borough command. So, you know all the borrow bosses are right upstairs, which the for it was a good place to work. But having the borough upstairs was a pain in the ass because they come down your head. Let me just stop you for one second. I worked in the to phone. That was the borough when you're on the desk. You always get this prick upstairs. Why is there a dog tied to my pole on my parking space? And you're not yet? Yeah in the for a to be a dead guy in his pocket. So cool with Mindless stuff, you know, excuse me one Chief. We've actually I knew his office. There's a chief upstairs rest his soul but his he had these like Louver Windows yet to like, you know kind of roll them like this and they would open like that. I didn't know how he got his head out the window. He could look out the window somehow maybe at a mirror something and it said like Sergeant they were their office is downstairs speaking to a female at the gas pumps investigate that and get back to me forthwith and and old boss is love setting forth with for everything. I want a chicken parm hero forth with you. Everything was forthwith. So I'm looking at it was some woman got lost on the Cross Bronx asking for directions, but he wanted in complete investigation about why these guys was chatting with this woman because I thought they were engaging in unnecessary conversation good for those who don't know that means that means you're not really supposed to be talking to civilians. Let alone females let alone attractive ones laying the rap while you were in uniform I think gas pumps. I think sadly the chief no females pay any attention to the Chiefs. I think it was cool. What you say was know what what kind of conversation was necessary. Necessary conversation. So you're bullshitting. They don't want you bullshitting. You can actually write somebody a discipline a command this and I met my wife at Lincoln Center when I was in uniform, I know unnecessary conversation necessary conversation got me married, you got a lot of people married unnecessary conversation is the blue magnet man. It forces a lot of unnecessary conversations that blue magnets right? So how quick did you rise up the ranks there? But once you once you became a sergeant then obviously this Lieutenant this cap was a sergeant for Robbie for five years again. I almost College you have I had I got college so you guys know but I told you about but you gotta has a bachelor's in with the Forum. That's a good school and later in life and got a masters from Marist. Well, that's great. Yes. So that was one of those NYPD Masters you went to the police academy. Yeah, I remember. As this what does IT guy was a lot cheaper than the real mess is so anyway go to the academy every third Sunday and we know every Monday night alright for two and a half years ago Monday night deal. That was mr. Watch football games. Thanks to that mother deal that was but are you rising up through the ranks? Then? I had a blessed career. I really did. I people look out for me to court to test on time. That means didn't take that minute you got promoted and then it wasn't such a big gap. I got promoted Lieutenant 1989 and like nine months later. I got to take the cabins test, but you can't do these days. So oh yeah. Yeah. It's a pie. You can just some cops in the NYPD see his balls with dipped in butter. They say that he work for you. Then your balls dipped in butter. Then he can go wherever you want. But you got to take the test first. I got some nice spots though. So maybe his balls. Dipped in butter. I tell you what, I'm gonna I have a whole new perspective. We bought some butter or not. So no I'm getting off butter now. It's so what do you become a lieutenant? Where do you go? You know what I was I was working for Bill Taylor early friend and mentor to me. I just talked to me the night. He asked me to be his icy. Oh, so you still friends now? Yeah, everybody. Did you notice everybody? He was a good and effective. It's great about you is that this is how you can tell a really good person is is if they still have relationships with the people in their past and you're not even aware of this but everything you said after every single person you mentioned was still friends to this day. Yeah, and that is that's a beautiful thing. Not not not many people say that I'm blessed with good friends a lot of Irish color whenever you talk to somebody and they start with you. I don't talk to him anymore. What's up with Han? I haven't heard from them in a while and well, fuck them. Stay away from that person. You can have a problem with them. Well, they say you sorry but so Movie so you met you you the guy Taylor built a little to care of me. He was the commanding officer the applicant processing division. That's a ground ball right there. He asked me to be as I co that which I kind of thought it was gonna be a means to an end. Like I went there today. Okay. I want to get to the detective Bureau to narcotics. I'll do two years with you because two years we'll be out of there when the 105. Well that was one of the offices there was a Citywide units. They were spread out all over. Okay? Okay. That's why I used to have to go and but that's the Four years later together, but that's the length of the contract to I can imagine how many times your phone was ringing it rang a lot. Oh my God you guys 7 hated the mess with my kid. I got the kids folder in front of me and I'm looking like, you know arrest arrest arrest that secure trying to get on the job heroin cocaine and then there's somebody on the other end family from that person that it is cool. And you're on the job. They're calling you saying their mess, who am I kidding? You look kid. You're looking at the folder like a like a violent nightmares. Going and I can't tell because the kids said a lot of stuff in confidence and maybe doesn't want to become a cop as father's making him become a cop. So I'd say talk to your son. I've gotta talk to my son. I'm talking to you I go when I'm talking to you talk to you son. They can have an interesting dinnertime conversation that night I said, but but they're not mess with him. Trust me. What are you trying to tell me? My kids are bad kid. No, I may be your best photographs. But no, but I didn't say that. I just to talk to your kid, but I see a lot of those phone calls. Well you did you get to see all the psychological profiles with a chance to draw the house. Us member that know the house and the Senate every yeah the treating figure and the dog in the backyard of smoke coming out of the chimney. So it looks like a happy home again. My buddy Muldoon comes out he goes he goes is it bad that I made my stick figure and naked guy? I told you about his character. So you work in an applicant investigation and your the Ico there the Ico there. So you're looking at of all the detectives in the cops that was a way to get promoted to to put the temporary. Is to work but you know, I look back I had some great commands great jobs some of the best jobs. I had was being an anti-crime cop and the 32nd Precinct. I was thus new the street narcotic enforcement unit Sergeant 2 4 6 the because the epic thing is like a temporary stop. Nobody wants to be there really wasn't me that but honestly, you guys are like 89 to 90 to I guess that's when I was coming through. Yeah, you got you something something crack problem was my guy was he was cool. It was cool. My applicant guy. He's just the only thing he had a Wandering eye. My so he'd be talking to me and the other I'd be scared. I don't know we've been a great detective because you could always see what's going on. But I was always trying to catch up like what is he looking at over there? And he's talking about you remember his name? I don't want to say I do. The also you're in charge of like sending people out to knock on a neighbor's doors. Oh, yeah, and as to ask the questions about, you know, one of the applicants I was this person is a neighbor. Did you ever see them doing stuff? That was scary. It was scary. I can't believe it people in my neighborhood voucher. They haven't they probably just want to get there. They still do that. They don't they still do actually it's funny. There's this retired guys. Now that actually do it. I know got it does it you can do it like as a part of a waiver as long as you make more than 30,000. It doesn't take your pension. I want to do that. So there's guys that go out that do. That they could put Department call. They showed a Precinct and they go out and they do feel visits and they love it. I would do that. So so then how long did you become captain in? Nine months? Yeah. I tried took the test and I much but then I finally went to back to my calculator. I was an undercover narcotics briefly in earlier my career and I help you boys 1983 could buy drugs in uniform pretty much. It's amazing. How much drugs are kind of guy? Kabaddi? I've won a lot of drugs when it comes to climb in the Heights UPS, right? What actually brought him in the Bronx believe or not? And in Lori said they were doing this pressure point stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah in the hallways side Alphabet City was bad, but when you can hand out with like a flannel shirt, I go ahead a bit long and you get online and to be like an abandoned storefront and like the gate would be down the game of come up and the guy would come in and we do everybody real quick like sell drugs everybody real quick. So I'm on the line and I didn't have radios. Zuri Kells back then you had to go back to a car get a radio. So I'm on line one time and there's a guy like kind of managing the line and it's a ballbuster. So he's got either a like a sort of baseball bat arose have a pool cue and he's poking all those junkies because I'm posing as a junkie and I get the config tracks on my hands and stuff and he's poking us and poking his heart and like and so you want to go like he anybody who might be a cop you can figure the cops are gonna take that. He gives me a good couple of folks. I'm like, okay man. Okay. I'm just doing the Dockside junkie thing. And so I buy go back and tell the guys in the team. The guys in the team will hot hitters. I said listen be careful give my description that be careful the guy, you know managing the line. He hit me with the stick a couple times. Oh, he did did he and then you'd have to go by again to make an idea who they're grabbing. Make sure they got the right guy and I go by this guy is knocked unconscious. It was poking him with a stick. I put a new stick is laying next to him. So it's kind of like you live by the sword Die By The Sword kind of think so, huh? That's so interesting. Yeah. It's like a little Revenge, you know, you painted this picture. There's a nice picture standing on the line. Would you would you sell drugs to this man? Well, like you said it was a 1983 had a pretty good line. You don't buy you could pay drugs in the uniform back then they would ask you who you know who sent you here like, oh my God, that's a good name. It's always a Flacco involve some Those somewhere which Flaco which Flaco skinny one this skinny Flaco Flaco skinny Flaco. Yeah, so I said I you become a Captain like wasn't Lieutenant narcotics and I become a captain and then the party's over one of the highlights of my career. I go to the twenty fourth precinct in Upper Manhattan. I used to work in the time the second in command of the precinct late the late Jack McDermott rest. His soul was in the commanding officer and who do I get? To me, they'll can talk about the great stuff. My career is all your friends pales by comparison. Shoot us. All right, I finally meet both hands when I went to the first six months of 95. I guess I was there. All right cuz Wanted to form in I was in Warrens having the time of my life. There's a best time I've ever had on a job and then once Carrick left, they wanted to downsize because he had built it up to like so now they were down they were down in the squad. So we had to go back fill the squads and you never seen more miserable people man. I don't know why they did it you had a bunch of people in narcotics that probably would have went to squads happily, but we were like so and when I got to the to for men it was nothing more depressing than it than having to be in the squad and he just hated everything. About the I hated everything about the job for five years. It's not what I want. I didn't bust my ass to go there. I busted it to go to warrants. But and that's why I was having a grand time and now we're someplace that you didn't want to be the squad detectives a lot of work. Yeah, especially the to form an A2 for was kind of like it was it was busier than I wanted it to be and to for has everything like you guys. I'm you talk about your first first episode the one side of the to for Precinct 86th Street. You have millionaires movie star. Is the other side you have been hat and Valley lot of crime lot of drugs cop was killed in. You know, Chris Holden was killed there you and everything into for everything in between and that good Pizzeria to there wasn't a sound Carmine's. Yeah. Is that what it's called sound coma I think was VG's maybe your sound called on 104 and Brody talk about yeah places. So I don't know if it's still there. I was way too busy to eat. Yeah, I bet you were right. So I would imagine as you Rising through the ranks you chose to get an even funnier right you guys thought lat More that don't and you're not like a pipe player or no? No, no. No, I can tell you I went to one and world society meeting when I first came on and it was right after member. The 83 Sergeant says they had all the quarters and stuff. Yeah, some some cop it says that the amount Society meaning goes. I think we should be granted minority status to The head of the animal society goes y equals because we have small dicks. That was the last of my society meeting I ever watching. What exactly is a great. That's funny. I always remember that to this day. I don't know we can't even stop that. So did you have ambition to rise all the way to the top through the department? No, I didn't eat when I came on the job first. I didn't know I had no family a giant no idea how you advance in the job. So I'm looking at I see sergeants most had like gray hair and I'm kind of go to some guy like where do they come from and they said oh you take a test like I thought they came on the job of salty. I thought the group of making a hot houses. So I found that I could take a test those they give me enough time. I could take your test and probably come out, you know, maybe not at the topic posted if you get promoted and I said, hey, you know, as long as they give Shot at it, you know I'm going to do okay, I wasn't arrogant about it. But I you know, I studied I go to the classes. I put my material how many others did you have on when you make Captain? I'm a captain in the end of 94. So I'd like 50 14 years on this road. That's a good time. Usually it happens around the 20th. And I got Blessed Like I said I got promoted then I went back to narcotics actually again, Bill Taylor asked me to come to narcotics. I went to back to Manhattan South narcotics. It's all very often as a captain took over from the previous Captain who was he'll remain nameless, but the worst boss I ever worked for in the police department. You must have been a good boy. I mean, I think it was fair. Sounds to me like every how could the people not like you? Yeah. Oh you get to know me, you know, it'll come, you know more people always say when that you're not for everyone you were everyone else everyone could like you you could tell already and so you obviously do you have anybody that you recalled that you work with that a boss but that was working on the you that was a freakin big pain in the ass that yeah, we couldn't get him to think of one guy fly straight. And again, I'm not I'm not a tough guy when it comes to the discipline and stuff like that. But there was one guy that I bumped into when I was a Precinct commander who was like just stunad didn't get it. He was the he was a combination. He was like, you know, let in civilian complaints. He never made arrests. He didn't write tickets. He just broke every his chops. He was mean he was rude. He was everything the whole package was a boss fight the to and every time I had to do something to him. I want them ahead of time. If you don't straighten out I'm doing this changes to her. You can't do that to me changes to it. And it's anything that he did. I told him I had a time it was coming. Never straightened out. So to this day. I look upon this guy. He's The Benchmark youth the low point of whenever I think of her like a really bad dumb cop and I love cops. This guy's name. What was his problem? Just the douche. He just had a bad attitude. He never should've come on this job. Yeah, he would keep kind of Pride himself. Like he doesn't like people only Pride himself in that that's like a guy wants a pizza shop scene isn't like mozzarella. I can't be a cop and not like people it has to be that was the one thing that got me through the job is that I like people I didn't like really police work, but I like people And and if you're out there, you know who I'm talking about. You know who you are be he has no ambition to even listen to anything to do with police Works. He's not going to be listening to off-the-cuff trust when you got promoted you ever want to get revenge against any boss that did you when you were a cop. No, I mean I had mostly good bosses. I mean you only guy, you know what they say that you're saying about the best revenge is living. Well, yeah, the guy who I took over for Matt and South as a captain, he was a fellow captain now and for some reason he just he had four lieutenants he tortured all of It wasn't just me it watch it everybody and I was on the Katniss list. It wasn't like has been a tough guy, but I'm gonna be a captain in the year palette, right? So I didn't tell him that but he even got at one point. He even tried to be true want me to hit him. I'm not a violent guy, but he was kind of like going like, you know, hey, you know, you don't like this and maybe someday, you know, you want to you want to you want to do something about it. I said no I said I'll do something about it down the road maybe because you threatening me I said no, but someday we'll meet again and perhaps we'll talk. No that's as close to a threat I got but then it turns out I want up getting his Job, then a year and a half later. The DEA task force. The prestigious Elite DHS was comes up. I was kind of a Dark Horse put my name in he wanted the job. I got it. Yeah, I get promoted to Deputy inspector like a year later. He doesn't did you call him and then it was what was great about it was no he had an office in the same building as me. That's what I said. Yeah, she came to the same coffee pot. Well, the Italians say revenge is a dish best served cold, right? Yeah. Yes, and I've always neighbors. First name was rich Richard. Went by Richie. So when I saw him at the coffee coffee pot he go you've done okay for yourself. I say a great role models dick. You don't have to lay hands on a guy, you know, you got the point you got the point you retired after that and you know, but really what I think about it the only in Florida like a block from your condo now or what might happen might have the velcro shoes on. Thought that the boss has got along well and it was just their job was to shit on the you know, the cops. He was an angry angry who's the boss is stuck together and it's funny in his office. He had a picture of you must use big in the Knights of Columbus. I think she'd been excommunicated but he's got a picture of him with the Cardinal. He's in uniform. I'm taking the car door you knew that this guy was such an evil guy like you were like they called him the Antichrist. That's how bad he was. Yeah. This is an extent this peep. This boss is on the job. Got the really go out of their way to the really did beat horrible people destroy other people's lives in malicious ways. And you wonder like whoa! Why are they doing this? Yeah. This is it's just a miserable why I why would you want to go to work and everybody hates you if you didn't have if that didn't have to be, you know, Ted didn't you're not a brownie, you know where he's gone brownies, but then the meter maids whatever traffic enforcement now, but that's the type of job. But people, you know, the people cursing at you all day. And why would you want that? That if you didn't have to have that especially from the people that you work with not only from the street, but also from what you saw Gordon what goes around comes around all I don't understand that it always does yes expressions of that way forever, who knows to understand these people but so you're riding high is a captain but you don't quit, right you keep you keep you keep going and everything after that, you know as you guys know, but it's not a test after that no test. It said it's just magically based on Merit. It's applying the alcohol prep. Head to the undercarriage of the rank above you. Yeah, right. You never heard. You never heard that one. You know, like I said, I was blessed because I had guys like like Bill Taylor Like Pat Hartnett that gets different spelling of his last name, but he was very good to me. They all thought he was my uncle I said guys he spells his name different but it didn't matter. He was my uncle I even call him Uncle Pat to this day John Timothy rest. His soul was good to me. You're the prior guest you guys had Louisiana mon guys like that that held you to a standard, you know, you Adam own healthy to standard and he wasn't going to back off that animal is definitely one of my heroes on the NYPD. I just think it was I think the world of him. I think Jack Maple You Know Jack Maple was the engineer the architect the menu and gets and gets the well deserve credit for it. But I think Lou animal doesn't get enough credit to me. It was Louis. It was Jack Maple and Luann Timon that that brought the compstat not just the meeting. The process the mentality culture because changing the culture the NYPD back then was tough. It was old-time Chiefs back then that will basically looking at their watch saying this guy Bratton has gone in a year or two. We'll just go back to the old ways of doing things. I mean, I remember a time. When when a Precinct Commander would maybe know how many murders he had. And that was it only only knew about was murders and that was it. He did know anything about the other crime wasn't engaged with the community at all. The squad Commander upstairs lot of times. They didn't know each other's names. I remember it only counts that low on ammo and chief Animo nest. Esther Precinct Captain, all right, you do with the guy upstairs the precinct admit the precinct the squad Commander. Yes, I do and it was like bam about what's his name and he kind of stumbles a little bit like they didn't really talk right. Now those guys are connected at the hip and they've been connected tip to last 25 years and they know their Mutual survival depends on putting stuff in place to get crime - sure and the system can be brutal. The system was brutally be going but if we're know that now you mentioned the crime coming down it seems like and you know, cops are always wanted to be a pessimist. And they're always talking about you know, how bad things are going to be and you know, just you know, as well as I do some cops are such a pessimist and then they get in a whole group of it. And it's been all this talk with the Blasio's mayor but the numbers haven't really reflected it between having him a everybody's saying how a crime is going to spike. But now they're coming up with these all these reforms where they're going to stop the bail and they going to let people out of jail for for everything. Basically you want to have some reason they want them out in the streets again now have a friend. She's a comic she's got in touch with me last night because she was robbed recently at gunpoint on the West Side Highway right in the Midtown. I have another friend who's a comic he got jumped and another female comic got punched in the face all robbery attempts and all of them in that that Midtown Manhattan area and they're two of the other three are from these bike gangs. I'm going to talk about Motorcycle gangs I'm told my kids on bicycles surrounding you following you and then you know robbing you and these are things that are like popping up amongst all your friends. It's just happened to be the community that I'm with. I'm no matter what community and I'm sure you got your going to know what you know, a couple people have got robbed lately. So now this is all starting to spike up this is and this is even before the reform. It's all starting to come to the surface now, you know, you know Market that's interesting because if you went to Camp Steph, That animal and hopped on my bicycle summonses remember that and that I was the reason because of robberies. These kids on bikes are robbing people give him a summons for riding on the sidewalk. Give me someone's pulling a red light. You're supposed to obey the vtl laws. Even when you're on a bicycle the one girl who called me last night. She said that the response was amazing though. So I would imagine that they're really trying to catch these kids be a couple of them got caught. It's part of the Ashley obviously a pattern, but she mentioned that there was a helicopter involved. Wow. You know, this is the probably a level one mobilization. Well because it's a robbery now with a gun in Midtown. So I'm sure they're really trying to grab a whole, you know, grab this the bull by the range before it gets out of control. But you know, they gotta they put her in the car. They drove around with a canvas then the these stupid kids were using a credit card. So they were getting literally like minute by minute where the credit cards were being used and then they would go there for video footage. They collected a ton of video footage so they're going to be able to make Skids and she wanted to know which I didn't even I started thinking to myself juveniles don't have to sit then they're not, you know, put him in a lineup do yeah, they do. They're really hard to do juvenile man, Sheree. There's no grand jury for a jeweler. If it goes to Criminal Court there is but usually it winds up in Family Court. All right, so I don't think it's going to go to court because it's just a robbery. Yeah and the quality of life stuff if I had the quality stuff back then that we targeted led to Great results like one of the elected officials. I mean say her name was talking about recently about people that are evading the fair on the subway because these are poor people who have any money if you ever talk to old Transit cops, they laugh at that because they all say almost everybody that grab for fair beat had like hundred dollars in my pocket. So it's not like this the people just drop it. It also has a job at the bike someone stuff. We always make great Colors by but you get a guy riding a bicycle on a sidewalk. Now you talked with one. I was nervous. Also you find out he's got a weapon. He's got a bunch of drugs on them. Right? I mean that stuff could always be used as a means to an end legally not certainly within the browser. Intent of the lawful arrest which they've lost in the subway for the fair because it's civil matter. Yeah, right. Yeah, so you can see Mission creep coming back in some cases. Yeah, it's crazy. I had it on. My phone just went off and I have it on airplane mode. Oh, I'm gonna have to completely shut it down. We have to start off. You know what you know what I wanted to I and obviously at we often off the job for a little bit how good are the anti-crime is right. Now are they do they have good anti crimes out that are aging people and teams. Yes, how could it be like to think that antic anti-crime for you know for listeners out there. The uninitiated are active Precinct cops that wind up getting out of uniform. They put them in plain clothes a little blend in the neighborhood to make quality felony arrests. I think they are but I think the the metrics to get it anti-crime with different I mean used to be made a lot of arrests made good rest of the precinct. CEO said I gotta put you in anti-crime now, I don't think they make that many arrests. So I guess they probably give a lot of maybe quality life tickets or whatever but I'm sure I'd like to think that the anti-crime cops out. There are still the best of the best in that for you. Hope you hope that well I did I mention that pessimism and you know, what happens is that pessimism all over all of a sudden at some point unfortunately becomes a reality which is probably going to be faced with which is going to be a major incident we talked about we've talked about this on the show a couple times the boy from you Ryan Watkins, Brian Williams write a kid and killed in the subway in the stairs trying to protect his mother and that turned everything around that seems To be the one thing we could all agree upon was that incident was enough is enough. We're not even close to the surface of enough yet. Because you know this these robberies are just starting to become common knowledge, you know, people are starting to talk. They started Talk Amongst each other and they started their going to be like, oh that happened to me too. And that happened to me too. And unfortunately, we're living in a time right now where everybody you know, there's a we're in a city where there's a lot of you know, obviously there's always been Here but a lot of left-leaning and they believe in this and they're woke and they don't end but you know, what something happens when somebody smashes you right in the face like Mike Tyson used to say, you know, everybody's got a plan until you got punched in your face. It's right I'm saying so, you know mockery say one thing is that it's not what the the hierarchy of the NYPD always talks about is that all the numbers are down, but it's something called disorder disorder is up and disorder leads to cry. I'm yeah and that's what they're not talking about your bright Bratton. When he first came in the first time talked about fear crime and disorder and he talked to measure disorder, but you know when you see it, yeah. Well the reason why we have you here and we're going to talk about in the second half is because since crime is on the verge of going up and you were retired and he went on to be a commissioner in Yonkers. We're going to talk about that too. We've been thinking about shooting you up putting the cape on and put me back. Let me run on the street and fixing everything up for us. If you could we'd really appreciate that he can get me out of this. We want to hear about the culture it the in Yonkers pd2 as compared to the got a lot of shit that you with in the second half, you know. Yeah, you're pretty good guess though, man. Yeah. This is got the irishblondie man. You could just keep talking about that. We do the next comedy show that we have the police off the cuff, but we get together. We haven't have a deal to give him five minutes. Oh, you're gonna get more than five pounds off the crap. You're gonna get you and Rashad he wants to be a car mechanic it melted. 12 something like jokes. All right, so this was a great first hour with our guests and our net and we're going to be back. We're going to be back for the second half of the Year about the younger you experience in Yonkers.
Edmund Hartnett was appointed to the NYPD in November of 1979. He served in numerous commands including NSU #9, the 32nd, 48th, 46th and 24th Precincts as well as the Applicant Processing Division and Manhattan South Narcotics District. Ed commanded several NYPD units including the Drug Enforcement Task Force, the Quality Assurance Division, the 109th Precinct, Narcotics Borough Bronx and the Intelligence Division. Upon retirement from the NYPD, he served as Police Commissioner of Yonkers, the fourth largest city in New York State, from 2006 through 2011. After leaving the Yonkers Police Department, Ed then worked with former NYPD Police Commissioner, Bill Bratton, on police consulting projects in Los Angeles, Oakland CA, Detroit and Baltimore. Ed holds a Bachelor’s Degree from Fordham University, a Master’s Degree in Public Administration from Marist College and a Certificate in Police Management from the Columbia University Graduate School of Business. He is a graduate of the 169th Session of the FBI National Academy, the FBI National Executive Institute and the Executive Leaders Program of the Center for Homeland Defense and Security of the Naval Postgraduate School. Ed served as President of Brosnan Risk Consultants, a New York based security firm, from 2013 through 2018. He still provides consulting services to Brosnan as well as several other clients. Ed and his wife, Grace, have been married since 2004. Ed’s son, Matt, is an NYPD Detective assigned to the Emergency Services Unit. Matt and his wife, Kathy, have two daughters, Ava and Madelyn. 