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Now let the another episode baby now the episode Another episode that I'm not happy with. Yeah, we're going to talk about it. Yeah, what's up everybody? It's your boy Lynn Gonzalez and his OG nights. That's right. I'll be with my girl. You know what I'm saying? I ate one since day one whistling hand April in the building y'all so happy to be here again. Love being with my OG limb always. Yes, um who wasn't episode what an episode what did You think because I'm gonna tell you what I thought gosh, you know, I enjoyed it in certain ways and then I didn't as much in other ways as much I love this show but you know the Joanie part mainly I'm like, maybe they shouldn't do that at the end because it's kind of killing a few things for me, but I don't know. What do you think? I don't know. Okay. So the no apart fine, right? I thought that was good. I'm really liking how they're really dwelling into with Helen, you know and No, oh boy Sasha and that whole situation, right which is terrible and it's course knowing you know, and it's one of you is always the playing the victim sure, but I did feel bad for him. I feel bad from the situation even with the kids, but we get Anna Whitney's point of view, which I'm glad that we got our point of view in the first time, but I wanted something more poignant. I wanted something that was going to give me to the story and I felt like it did it like we knew that we you know, she has this boyfriend or fiancé that It is, you know, not contributing to the household. He's an artist but he's not a citizen. So technically I guess you can't work and can't really contribute but it's also like she's getting frustrated because it's not like he's really trying right. So we are leaving we already knew that so we got like more of that and then we see him, you know her with her boss, which okay sure. She has a terrible boss that just runs heard into the ground. Okay, great. Not really necessary for the story. And then we see our link up with fur cat who I hated what they were. Whether he didn't even say his name and then we see that happened and I'm like really this will give us you know, I we've been asking for a Whitney perspective since season one literally throw back on the after shows. Listen to us talk about what how much we want to Whitney person. That's true. I at this point and you know, we're only four episodes in but haven't we have ten episodes? We are kind of 11 because the last one is extra long, but I'm like, this is what y'all gay was for the first time. The city's perspective. I can appreciate it for certain reasons because I think they were trying to parallel Whitney and her boy versus Helen and Noah back in the day sure and then just giving us more Whitney and how she's you know dealing with a situation that she's in how she's kind of I don't want to say taking a fall a Fall From Grace, but you know think of like season 1 episode 1 Whitney where she comes out with a sunglasses and she's this kit. I mean, she's literally like 17 years old, I think right. She comes out she has his Persona and so it's like wow, okay, she doesn't have all this money anymore. She doesn't have this. So that's what they were trying to do. But it does it did just feel a little bit like a filler for those people that we don't have right. So then like you give us Joanie to fill in for that but then you have her erasing you have her throw you like Gabriel's box will get there. But I agree. I'm a little like, huh? I hope that we see in upcoming episodes. Codes that they kind of fit. I don't want to say fix this but like they show us. Okay. This is why we showed you what we did in episode 4. Well I again I do appreciate and you know, we love the show because the writing is so great. Right? So I feel like that they're going to give that to us and maybe I'm just being impatient because number one. I know this is the final season. We're known to be a patient's right, right, but this is the final season and I feel like being that it is the Season we have only so many episodes and all these point of views and all the storyline. I want it to wrap up in a bow a nice bow and you in turn, you know Joanie, you know as an adult which I'm not mad at I think that's dope sure because it's interesting interesting play, but you only give her give us five minutes of her every single episode aside from episode one and I'm just like, okay. What is this doing? Like is this building up to something? I mean, obviously it is right, but I just I'm just unhappy with the placement. I guess it seems like we should be getting there a little faster than we should be seeing you maybe this perspective from Whitney as much as I love seeing her perspective. I'm like that's that's not continuing the story of finishing what we know to be the final season of the affair, right? We want to know what happened with this this this this this and seeing Whitney with fur cat and you know, I it's tough to say because I really did like Her perspective. I really liked it. Right. I like seeing her. She's an amazing actress. So I feel like I'm you know, kind of being a little Devils Advocate at this point, but I'm just like if we're gonna see if we're going to get really get to know Joanie in these final episodes. I feel like we should be seeing more of her. Yes. Yes absolutely. Like they could have, you know, maybe shortened Whitney's there was a lot that they didn't need and my opinion right to show and they could have strengthened Jones. He's a little bit more and maybe they're just setting us up. We're going to do that and then I'll set and Joanie's going to be the entire episode or something like that. I mean, he know they always they do flip the script on us. Yeah, which you know, I think it like because it definitely is not predictable for sure. Let's get into the episode. So again, we see Noah start off with this one of you he comes over to pick the kids up for school and they're going over to Sasha's party, which why are the kids going to an adult party? I don't know the kids there. I was wondering Thing just because so, you know, obviously we are based in La as a show or as a studio right? A lot of our viewers around the country are not based in La obviously Halloween is a really big deal here. Yes, it is not everywhere else, but you go to these major are they have these major insane parties kids do not go to these parties. I would just like that to be clear mom and dad. I would have never got his party when I was a child Stacy is like, I don't know how old but let's Say well she's you know in the womanly time for it's a she's like 10 ish. Maybe a little older maybe a little younger whatever range Martin is Trevor. Sorry no more Trevor Trevor is teenager teenagers. Yeah, when I was in high school we go to this party granted. It was a little different you did see them like passing out candy and things like that. But like this is an adult party. I thought it was weird that they were going for sure. But also I thought it was Did that like I understand Helen has to work and Helen is doing Helen which I'm actually pretty happy about it comes off a little negative in this episode. But then again we are in Noah's perspective. So forth going to come off that way but I did think like if you're going to go if you're going to take your kids to your let's call him at this point. Anyway, her boyfriend's party. You need to be the one taking them like you can't have I don't even know how it was set up. She had to work late, but whatever. I don't know it was just Weird, I think well, Helen is definitely caught up and we seen her in this kind of ever since, you know, Noah cheated on her at the beginning of the first season. She's whenever she's you know got with someone else. She's kind of just giving their all to them maybe even prematurely foresight. And so Sasha is no different. You know, we've seen Helen act this way. We saw her when she went and she did look great when she walked out, but she was wearing something that We're watching who's like parks off a little bit. Like okay, I see you. I see you but yes, you're like the knee high boots and then little you know, the cool little you like the dress. She looked amazing. Yeah, but it wasn't what she normally wears. And so we see that cheese and even to the tune like she's an East coaster right? She's not from LA but she's adapting and it's like she's almost even now with Sasha's to get more familiar. And and now it's something seems like no. No, I like LA right? No and so she's adapting for the culture of La for sure. And they'll know what seeing that because he isn't seen her that way and when she walks out, he's like, oh, okay, something's different about her. He's missing what he left guess and age-old saying you won't you can't have course. And of course there's a I definitely think Noah is experiencing a little bit of this at this point in time, but I also think he's kind of coming into his own and realizing. Oh wait these things that I did were wrong even though at the time even me. I thought they were so right and was out had the show Khan in a different way. I probably would still be saying that no one else and were meant to be but that's not what we are. We're here. So I think for him to see her doing this and like we said last episode Helm is finally kind of just living her own life. They talk about a multiple times tonight. Helen is doing Helen. Yes, she is figuring it all out. So, you know, he's missing her a little bit, but sure I kind of like to see it but also with the whole Sasha thing. Can I get an especially living in a lie, you can see how people may get caught up in the celebrity of things but it just seems so unlike Helen to be that person who would do that. So that's why I'm like come on, but maybe we'll and and I think I think they're doing definitely doing that on purpose because it's really to show its kind of stick at I feel like to stick at Noah's like look she does not need you. She's had times where she's like. Oh, I still want to be with know even though she was with someone else. We've seen that in previous seasons and I feel like this is just showing like I don't need you. Yes, you know, she lost Vic, right he passed away and it's like no I'm not going to come back into your arms. No, I'm going to move on. This gentleman has pursuing me. I'm going to go all in and that's what it is. It's not that Noah's even making a move though. Yeah, right like he's kind of just realizing things for himself at this moment. It's not like he's like asking Helen out. It's not like he's I mean she is kind of stepping up when it comes to the kids, but also like You're their dad. That's your job. Right? So, you know, it's not that he's even expressing that maybe he wants her but they're doing a good job of showing us this process slowly because maybe it would seem a little fake if he just went straight in for the kill sure and we also have to appreciate it. It's his perspective. So maybe from her perspective she seeing it in a different way of being like, oh, well, no is here picking up the kids. He's taking him to this party. Maybe she would be seeing it that way and he's just saying it was her kind of like overlooking it. Well, I one thing about this whole situation is that He's definitely here for the kids. Yeah, regardless of the Helen situation. You can see that he's really wanting to get into and he lost a lot of time when he was in prison. And then we just kind of like then he comes back and then they're kind of just off him. So he cuts that we gain their trust. So he's trying to get back in her good graces with you know, the two youngest that we see and then Whitney, of course, so I feel like that he's trying and you know, obviously the little one she's definitely receptive. You know, she looks like she's a daddy's girl. Obviously our boy Trevor is still on the fence. He you know, he he likes his dad but he's just like, you know, he's kind of coming into his own self as you know, his own person moving into adulthood. So I feel like he definitely Harbors resentment for sure something I thought about were watching. The episode is that I'm like, oh he feels all this resentment toward his dad because of what happened with Alison and I'm like, oh wait. No he doesn't he well, of course, he feels real. Because of that because he remembers even though he was young he knows right but his dad went to jail. So you're if your dad goes to jail for murdering someone even though he's not the one that actually did it. You're not going to feel the greatest toward him sure, but I love how the show is doing or they're playing out no accepting him as being you know, the free person that he is that was a big topic of conversation last season was his sexuality and I love how they're doing it and just showing that he's being himself and that his family all Bo Margaret is you know, she makes her comments cool. Yeah, whatever. Let's not even think about her at this moment. But how Noah and Helen at least his parents are very accepting of everything that he's doing and it's just like a judgment-free zone. So I think it's a good aspect to show of their relationship. Absolutely. We see also when Noah's there he's there to pick up the kids. Wants to make sure he laments the same page when he leaves there. He runs into Joel who like Soul just pops up at the just most inopportune times. I don't know because it's I feel like he's also very irrelevant. Like I get it like he's taking the place now because his ex is not there anymore because she lost her job, right? And so Joel is now do you know the principal and so I guess he has to have some semblance of a Boss made me I just wanted to see it. He's just going to school and just doing it sitting at his desk and looking at a picture. That's all I need to say. Joel is very weird. He's very well. He also gives nor article which kind of pisses him off because it shows Sasha and Helen together and Sasha as you know, Helena Sasha's, you know boyfriend or girlfriend so and he's like, oh you want her back. Is that what you was up? What's up, you know and he's just obviously feeling some kind of way because Sasha's Saucer and he does not care for him. And because Sasha is playing him, right and they have all of this stuff going on with Sasha now getting a writing credit with the movie and all of this stuff. Like I was curious what you thought during that moment because this is this happens a lot in the movie business, maybe even more so than like we even realize but the whole Sasha now getting a writing credit when Noah is clearly the writer him not being allowed on set like I mean the fact that his Sedatives I guess sort of the same as Sasha's as well. I would I would flip out and maybe it's me being a little irrational but I'm like pull yourself from this movie. I guess you can't it's too late at this point in time his contracts as well. I think there's a lot that I think they want to show because Noah when we see the at the beginning of the very first part of the Season he's meeting with him. Yeah, and they're talking about the movie and him taking over and you know deciding to movie from the book. Obviously he gets involved with Helen so we already saw him. A prick we already saw him for what he was and thinking he's you know, the Hollywood and lead and all this kind of stuff. Like you don't know me scuse me, you know type thing. So now with the Helen situation it makes it that much more exponentially, you know hard for Noah and so we see him in this angst with not only is he having difficulties with the movie and him getting the credit he feels like he deserves but then now he is his ex-wife is with this man and is causing also additional No conflict for him. I would just die if I was him and this book that you wrote this movie that's supposed to be directly adapted from this book right now. The actor is getting this credit and who knows what's actually really happening because it's from his perspective, right? But like with the artwork this has Sasha man's descent. No, it's Noah solloway like starring Sasha man. That's what it should say. So I think that I think Noah's actually handling it pretty darn. Well despite what he does at the party. I think the fact that he's not tripping on situation. He is I would be I would be Trippin the parties insulation was crazy situation was crazy and I hated it because I'm like, you're gonna get caught. All right, right. It was bad and you got caught. Yeah before we get into the party situation. Hello afterbuzzers want to thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you everyone in the live chat. Make sure you like And subscribe. We appreciate we have so many different shows that we cover here at AfterBuzz. 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The fact that he is kind of Noah's doing or do you think no is doing well or do you as well? If not, do you think he's not handling? I feel it. Well, it's never doing well. That was all. Always like he's I feel like no one can never catch again. We got to keep it in perspective. This is his version, but I feel like he can't catch a break. Like here. He is. He has this book right when someone decides they're going to make a movie of your book. That's a huge undertaking. That's ginormous. That's great. And then you have this, you know famous actor whatever that's going to portray you and he's also producing and directing or what-have-you. He's involved in the back end of it, but then it goes way left to the Where he's literally he's using this to poke fun at Noah. He's with his ex-wife poking fun at Noah. He's now taking control of the operations. He can't even come to say he's poking fun at NOAA the fact that the book cover or the movie cover says, you know Sasha man descent now granted that's the name of the movie is just such a man exactly exactly right not which is all bad. And then I felt bad when he's there, you know with his Representatives. And they're like, well, we also represent Sasha. So this is doing something else. I think that like, I don't know the part that's tough is because we have to remember as viewers and as fans of the show, like maybe some of the stuff that no was going through now is punishment for what he did before but maybe I just feel that he's already been through punishment because he went to jail for somebody like true. We can't take the heaviness out of that. We didn't see that directly. We saw like a few interactions. Is people visiting him there? But like he said maybe I feel like he's already made up for what he's done. That's that I'm sure that won't be a popular opinion. But I guess it's just the fact that I'm like, it's his Granite. It is the book directly about his affair that he had. So like how great can that be? But it I just I would love to see him get the credit that he deserves because also it is a very successful book. I've been actually while we were watching the show I was like, oh wait no lost all his money, right? Right because he is driving a not so fancy car. Not that it's you know a right great that he has a car obviously but to have you know be a New York Times bestseller and your movie being made in our your book being made into a movie you expect for him to you know, boo Kudos Kudos money. Maybe that's coming at some point. But I guess I'm just thinking that he's not getting what he should get and the fact that he is able to stop himself especially around his kids for making certain comments about this person even though Persons making comments about him. Honestly, the moment Stacy said he says you're a loser. I was on the same thing. He did now granted I would have done it a lot smarter than he did. Right like you don't carry a toolbox of dildos and to a party and do it slow like you at least you run in run out. I was like that was the most predictable thing that I've probably seen in this show like I'm like, yo looking behind his story. It's a so conspicuous. And then he goes and does this thing doesn't get caught then goes back takes the brassiere off of the girl that he literally starts making out with this girl just to take the bra. Like that's the old school knowing which I know he's such a douchebag move obviously absolute but he's absolutely what is he doing it for me? Because at the end of the day He literally is trying to sabotage Sasha and he's trying to bring and the thing is he's trying to make Sasha look bad. Yeah, right. Sasha's doesn't have that. He's trying to make her and dude. He's listening to Helens mother. Come on now, like thanks a lot of people mentioned this in our comments on YouTube last week because we accidentally forgot to talk about it the moment where Noah walks in on Sasha with a syringe of vitamin B12. Oh, yes. Yes, a lot of people said that it was definitely drug. Some people said maybe some form of heroin or something like that. I'm like, that's the ammo that you need right there. But then again, how is he going to use that? It's not like he's gonna go to hell and be like, oh, by the way, I think was an injecting himself will hear when you should make it do a drug test. No, that's not going to fly. But he did what he thought was the moment that Noah started listening Margaret. That's what he failed. Yeah, because like Margaret does not care about you and I feel like Margaret will have Noah do Because she's never cared about him ever but I think that their moments tonight where they did she did she did that was a great moment that whole thing with Noah being trying to be there for his daughter and starting himself, you know in that moment and telling Margaret to go and sending, you know, Trevor off and a tuber so he can be there for his daughter. I wish you would have seen him attempt to call Helen though. I can't imagine that your daughter is going through that and you don't try to call her baby. He did we didn't see that the like that seems like the natural thing. NG to do - is one of you yeah sure. So he needs to be the hero right? So that's how I took and he was yeah, that's how I took it but I like that I like that and then you know Stacy ends up going with him when he has the gorilla maintenance man outfit which is terrible, which he got from Joel but he had a toolbox so grown this x right so then he does that and then kind of back tracks and then it's like oh no, this is a bad idea. And so then takes it back so that to me should have been the queue like You already backtracked you already decided you're not going to do it. Why are you going to now go back? And that's where I feel like Noah always messes up. He always makes the wrong decisions. Well, let's not forget that probably the reason why he did that is because this bra looked very similar to the one that Helen found in his drawer, which is why the preview at the very beginning of the episode was a flashback of Helen finding the bra. So watch the one like Joel said, what's the one thing you probably already know what's gonna set her off right? So this very similar Looking bra Noah tried to plant but clearly it just did not work at all. Can we talk about helling have an assistant now like she went straight Hollywood. Why do you need an assistant? Like what are you doing in her? I bet I thought we were going to see her perspective next because I was like I bet she is thinking this is so different than it actually is and I bet she feels like like any person in that situation would feel like you know, she's not the not that Helen is old by any means of course not but she's you know, she's not 20 years old. Sure, it's not directly out of college starting a new career. That's why she had that moment with Whitney's saying, you know, I'm trying to start a new career and I'm doing this. It's my second chance in life. I think would be very different coming from her perspective. But like I don't I mean she has an assistant answering the phone as hell and Butler right and we can't these little moments are what make the show like when Noah called her or when the phone rang it ring has helped us all away, but she's like how about there's office, right and she has an office and she basically Basically is it's like a menial task that she's having our do and she's like, oh, can I talk to her and he's like she's not available and it's just I just sorry I don't have it. Right exactly. Like what is that? What is that mean? I don't have her but it was definitely a I think I think the writers put that in because it's showing that Helen is Going Hollywood because again, you know, we talked about, you know, her mother wants her to go back to East Coast. She's like just go back to these coasts, you know, come back and she's like, no right just come back and she doesn't want to she's like No, I like it here. I like LA because remember if I'm not mistaken. She did not like La she was there for Vic. That's the only reason why she was there. She moved there to be close to him. And then of course no, I moved to be close to the kids. So if Vic had never happened she was still in these clothes. Yeah, but now that she's here now. She's falling in love with it. Now. She likes it. So I feel like it's just a way for the writers to show us that she's full on Hollywood got an assistant. She's probably doing she's doing yoga, you know do doing all these things the hollywood-esque thing. That's what dating the the affair equivalent of Brad Pitt will do to work. Ha ha ha. There you go. So we see Noah mess up with the whole Bri situation hellenists pissed and I knew that it was going to backfire. I was like, it's going to backfire just don't do it. He's again he's hand in the cookie jar. So I'm curious to see how Helen you know goes from here because really you just you you made it worse like soccer was already way. Now it doesn't matter because now you try to make him look bad we get in to Whitney's perspective which we talked about earlier. So she's in the bed with her boyfriend Colin who is not about anything. He's an artist. He has work of the studio, but won't let Whitney see it. So I don't I can't touch on it too much because I don't know the actual legal situation in this. I'm also just coming off of Orange Is the New Black where a lot of that a lot of what they talk about is an illegal alien. Alien working and taking these jobs and he's not doing that so he's not working and it's making Whitney really struggle. But I like the aspect of her being a hard worker. They're showing us she kind of like she really takes it all in stride every moment where I would have been like are you kidding me? Like, of course, I'm going to turn in there. I think I just accept it. I think we should use non-citizen non-citizens nonsense. Okay. Got it. That's just how I prefer. One that chose the still in my brain absolutely non-citizen and that's what he's in the process of I think into the whole fight about big about getting married and I don't know so, okay. Here's the thing when him being a non-citizen. Yeah has nothing to do with him showing Whitney his work the way I see it is that with his money with him not being able to make money, right? But what I'm saying is he's still an artist. He still creating things right? He's saying he can't go get A job at a business, you know and because he's not a citizen sure so but he can still be an artist and still do that stuff. The thing with me is saying she's not mad at that situation. She understands that but why are you not showing your work because in her mind, she's pulling all the work. She's she's paying all the bills. She's paying the rent with her salary that she gets from the art gallery. Yeah, and so she's saying like yo, can I see her work because she wants to see that he's doing something and remember she challenged him. When she came home and he was waking up from a nap, right? She's like, oh you just woke old I was up for a nap. He's like, what did you do today? And he's like, well, I was painting and he's like, okay and but you took a nap, it's like yeah, I was tired from painting. Yeah. Well, let me see the painting like I would be in the if I was paying all the bills and then somebody else was just like oh, yeah. I was painting all day. Oh God, I'd love to see it. Right. It's a very artist thing they don't want people to see their stuff until it's done. But also like I get it from where she's coming from right at some point it you kind of start to boil. Oil over and start thinking okay. This is just all me. You know, she's paying the rent and it seems like she's not really being, you know adequately paid at work. So to have everything kind of on you is going to boil over just like we see it boil over tonight when she ends up sleeping with her cat which is just insane, but he does offer up an option like he's like, okay, let's get married right now. Right and she doesn't want that. So there there's always, you know going to be a back. Forthwith. Okay. This is the situation that we're in we're going to be together. We're going to make this work. But you know, I definitely think they're showing us this because of them trying to compare her to hell and back in the day. That's why they gave us the scene of Helen saying that she worked at a bagel shop for a year or longer what or whatever it was because you do what you have to do to make it work if that person that you're with is who you think you should be with I just think with him and we saw this when she was talking about going to the opening right where Fork I was going to be and she had to go because her boss was making her go, right so she had no choice and he was having some issue with it because he's like, you know, oh this is not truth and all this kind of stuff. He's like trying to be like, oh this is not the type of artist. I'm you know, I ôm or You should even be entertained by or even should be associated with and her thing is like well and that's further takes me to be like, I think he's kind of a fraud because husband her fiance my fiance Because here you are you're saying that you can't work. Okay fine. We understand that legally. You can't. Yeah, but you're creating this art that could possibly because when you get sell it you created what can be sold by Whitney. Yeah. She's in the business. So but then you're not done and you can't and I know you want me to see it. Then I go to somewhere where I have to be because I'm working and you're like, oh those people are terrible. Oh, those are those aren't true artist. Oh, they don't Captivate and it just sounds really bad. It just sounds like you're making excuses. Is for your inadequacy it also sounds like you're just trying to you know, it's a very I'm sure obviously this happens at other places as well. But it's a very La thing like oh, that's these people don't stand up for this. This is this this is this this is she's like honey. I have to make money now granted we know there were other actually, I don't think there were other reasons. She went because her boss wanted her to go right now. Obviously other things ended up happening, but I think originally she went because her boss was like we're going so Let's do this. So it kind of its like don't make her feel bad about something. She has to do right in order to help support use making money. You're not bringing any money to the table, right? But yeah, you're you know, you can't even buy the coffee like that's the thing and I think that's how and again, you know, we talked about versions. This is her version. Yeah. So this our perspective is a probably be different but certain things are factual exactly and I feel like if he's not bring any money to the table and that's what it is. Then you need to step it up either. And at the very least at least the house is clean at least, you know, the frigerator stopped at least she has coffee, you know, and I thought it was interesting that and I wanted to get from you like why do you think she was hiding the wine because remember she came home and she started drinking wine. Well, they said he did she they said he doesn't drink so he came from a family of Alcoholics and that's what that's what he said last episode of dinner. Well because I dinner he wasn't he didn't have like in the he talked about or maybe it was in the second up whenever we met him. Said he questioned the family of Alcoholics, so he doesn't partake. It's got essentially but I'm also like Have a glass of wine. Yeah, like you're okay Douglas have a glass of wine. So maybe you don't go on this bender and we see you know smoking weed. You obviously have been doing something else as well. So your life is still a little bit of what it is, you know you want to take into account. This is your fiance and you care about him, but also like take care of yourself just like what Helens doing. Maybe we need to do a little bit. I'll leave that you don't just go so crazy take on what their mom. He said it was fine. But I mean I get it like if you feel some kind of way. You're going to be like no. No, I'm good. I'm good. We talked about fur coat hooks hate this guy blasting. He's oh that was the other thing. He had words about him because he called him a pedophile right which we know that you know, when he was with Whitney when he was very very young very young very young. It's not so yeah, he's not so young. And so she's now 24. We do know that he kind of just sachets into the gallery right and invites her, you know, Oh to be there and of course her boss Andre is just like oh my God you're talking and so, you know, so, you know, she's like We're going and she's like I lost the invitation. I don't really want to go. Oh, it's my ex-boyfriend. No, we're going she just all she cares about is you're going because you're invited and I need that, you know plus one. So they go to the gallery and she then starts talking to We couldn't get his name. I didn't get his name. They said his name but we may have been so right. So right in chat, let us know as yes, please but it's somebody that for cat is working with that ends up, you know telling basically Whitney that look you could work for him and that would be an upgrade for you. Right? And so our excuse me, we see that he then is all over her and you know, they go to the gallery, right? You know, they step away Andrea and the other gentleman step away. So now she's with him. Him and she's very uncomfortable. Right? Because again, we know that the last time they were together that he hit her and was abusive to her physically and she was not about that. So he's trying to be like no no. No, it's okay I've changed and so they go to this little area then we got weird. So he gets on his hands and knees and starts groveling and she's just like no no get up and it's in an area like, this is all pre-plant. Yeah. This is an area where everybody can see is glass and Loser, so everybody can see and they're all looking and he's doing that. Just please forgive me and then we start seeing these images pop up. That's of Whitney. It was like an exhibit of its own right? So, you know the images I was surprised that she wasn't a little more taken aback by at least the like nude images but one of the things I was thinking while we were watching and I was so curious as to what you thought were you thinking at all that he was legitimate with His apology at first absolutely not. No. I was a little you were not that I thought he was deserving of an acceptance of the apology. But I was like wow, okay, he sought her out. He's you know coming to this random studio in La maybe he is and then I was like, I love the trickery could I really be that dumb the second I saw her face up on the like the Kaleidoscope type wall. I was like, wow, you really just did this and it makes Me sad, you know she I was looking at Julia's the person who plays Whitney, of course her Twitter before and she was like everyone's like should she go back with fur cat? And she was like you think you'd know not to go back to an abusive boyfriend the first time but we'll see and even like while I was watching the show. I'm like, this is what happens people get, you know, mesmerized by the apology. He's making this huge deal. He's on his knees in front of a gallery of people. He's putting her face on the wall. He's made the entire. Exhibit about her and then you see what ends up happening. Obviously, he's still just using her or he's making a spectacle of her anyway, and it makes me sad that this happened to her because like it's just as watch because of you were like I said, I was like, oh he did all of this. No. No the same I peeped it from day one. I mean I peeped it do know when we first were introduced was introduced to him when she was with him. I did not like him when he came back I saw him and it just he looked He basically I could see where he was going. He wanted to I could see that he wanted her hit her back in his life. And yes, he's probably sorry for the things he did. I'm not negating that but he's still a douche bag. Absolutely because how are you going to sit up there and set somebody up because you could easily just apologized. He could apologize right then and there he's like look, I just really want to apologize for whatever I did but no he has to make a spectacle out of it. And then you have this these images and this whole gallery It up in honor of her that she knew nothing about and then you're groveling. So it's almost like you're forcing her because she literally she didn't want it really except that. No, but she was forced to because everybody's watching and she didn't want to look like, you know a jerk or whatever so she's like, okay fine fine get up. I applaud you know, I accept your apology get up. Just you know, she wanted to stop now granted when they go to the bedroom. She didn't have to sleep with him, but she decides to do so because she feels like she's that's where she's at. Whatever reason why do you think I'm just curious one of your perspective now that all that's over she goes and she you think she succumbs to sleeping with him knowing she obviously has her man at home. Yeah bigger than that. I think it was like why she kept going after this artist was watching and she knew that he was watching like push him off of you run away. I think at that point in her mind, she was like I've done this terrible thing obviously definitely had been drinking. Also smoking weed that plays into it as well. I think it was just like this is easy. And I think she is that's what they wanted to show us the struggle that she's going through and then to be in this situation where he literally says to her while they're like, she's laying on top of him for cat says like he could give you this gallery and she's like she fights with it's not like she just gives in but then I mean she does and she's like, okay and I don't know it makes me just ill to think about because Is so much. Yeah, it was really weird. I feel like I mean for cat obviously took advantage he knew that they had, you know, obviously history he took advantage of that and you know, they slept together, but that was so weird with the other guy, they're watching and it was just it was just a weird Scene It just reminds me of flashback. When Noah that went to that party when they ended up seeing yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, so it is very rare and look like a perv. But it was just it was weird. So really quick with Joanie. We see her very very quick. She basically she wakes up at you know, her dad Scott Lockhart's house where she had, you know, obviously stayed over. Oh my God Cole scuse me, and then she starts taking all the memorabilia for the pictures and stuff and just start chucking it. Yeah starts going into a bag and then she you know takes that she tries to take the car's not working. It's been 24 years old guys not gonna start look pretty dude. Yeah, this that whole situation is still weird. I want to see how what the Indians like what they get to and then she goes to visit the gravesite. And so and that's where it is. It's just hey Dad. Yes, so confirmed that he's dead. Right, right. So yeah, let's get into predictions real quick. Let's do that your AfterBuzz TV prediction. All right, what you got? Oh gosh. I mean what is there to predict I'm going to Say Helen is a smart lady and she will find out that Sasha is a douchebag. Okay, what do you think? Um, I think that I agree with you. I think she's going to realize such as reduced back. It's still probably going to take A Couple Episode because no one messed up. I think he did worse than he did. I'm good. I think that there's going to be an epiphany with Helens mother in regards to but now that she sees no has has the cojones and he's kind of back. So I think she's going to kind of be on Side, so I think there's going to be an interesting and you know dichotomy with that and then hopefully I'm just want this to happen that we see more with June Johny. Yes, and that just it. Yes. We see more than five minutes and we at least have to say it by next episode. If we don't see more than five minutes of Joanie next episode color me pissed. Okay. I'm not going to be right exactly. It's going to be terrible. Ladies and gentlemen that has been our show we gonna thank you so much for tuning in. Thank everyone the live chat make sure you comment letting Us know what you think let someone you give this episode. 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Join hosts Lem Gonsalves and April Whisenhant as they break down Episode 4 of #TheAffair. Noah is stepping up as a dad and fills in while Helen is doing Helen, Whitney visits ghosts of boyfriends past and Joanie seemingly tries to erase any evidence of her parents from Cole’s house. SPOILER ALERT: COLE IS DEAD?! All this and more! Follow our hosts: @lemgonsalves @aprilwhisenhant The Affair After Show: Join our hosts on THE AFFAIR AFTER SHOW as they explore the emotional and psychological effects of two affairs on the Showtime series. Each week we recap, review and analyze in-depth as Noah and Alison impact the people in their lives - from husband to wife to all the way down to the kids. Plus we’ll have inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT THE AFFAIR: The Affair explores the emotional and psychological effects of an extramarital affair. The drama will be told separately from the male and female perspectives using the distinct memory biases to both misdirect and intrigue. "The Affair" explores the emotional/psychological effects of two affairs. Young diner waitress Alison and her husband, rancher Cole, are struggling -- personally and financially -- in the wake of tragedy. Noah, a settled teacher and would-be novelist, is summering at his in-laws' Hamptons estate with his wife, Helen, and four kids. When Noah meets Alison, they begin an affair. For her, he's a welcome escape; for him, she's a pretty distraction. But, the tryst eventually ends two marriages -- one that was already a bit shaky, the other that was on solid ground. 