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Now you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now let the Oh, yes, indeed. Welcome to The Punisher after Show and The Punisher after show is another word for Nothing Left to Lose. I'm Christian black joined by the one and only ZL Anderson Z Anderson. The song afterwards. Yeah, like I literally just want to go sit and just listen to this song every time I hear it see it kind of makes me want to go to a bar and get my ass kicked some people and they might want to go in a barring and actually beat some people up now. I understand. I understand my own physical prowess, right? I would be getting my ass kicked. But if it was to this song, I feel like I would at least be able to tolerate it a little bit better which we will build to the point of talking about that song fairly shortly. But as I said in the And we are only talking about episodes 1 2 & 3. This is a Netflix show. The after show is going to be the binge style. So you have until tomorrow at 3 p.m. Pacific 6:00 Eastern when we will be doing episodes four five and six and then we'll be back next week. We'll do 7 8 9 10 11 12 and then 13 all by itself because it's going to be yeah. So for those of you who've seen some of the other recent Marvel after shows the and I have have managed to cram four episodes into each of those. We think we need to let Frank breathe a little bit and let's dive right into it. Give us your thoughts kind of about where Frank is when we first see him in season 2 and kind of contrasted with the Way season 1 ended. Well, it definitely made perfect sense because he kind of got one season 1 ended he sort of got to get out of jail free card. Yeah and became Pete casterly own. Stig Leone castiglioni. Yeah Castiglione. Yeah became Pete Castiglione. So seeing him in a bar in the middle of nowhere seemed pretty right. Yeah what he would be doing where he'd be going. We don't know he's just, you know doing it hasn't through. Yeah, but as we all know Frank that times cannot stay peaceful and then obviously we wouldn't have a season 2. So you just know it's only a matter of time. I'm really happy. They got into it in the first episode. You know, I've talked about this on Marvel TV weekly there were like one tiny part. I was like and then we got into it and I was like, yes. So yeah, I think a lot of times what you can say about, you know, someone you know, one of these kind of protagonist's especially these Marvel shows is that trouble always manages to find him but really what it comes down to for Frank is that he kind of seeks out the trouble he wants it and looking for his young friend whom will talk about his traveling companion in a little bit. She makes the point of You kind of really enjoy when this stuff finds you and yeah, you know, let's be honest Frank has many traumas in his life, but the key one being his wife and children murdered in front of him. So I think there's been a little bit of a psychic break for Frank and he really Revels in these sort of confrontations, but we're getting a little bit ahead of ourself. So we see him here in a bar in Michigan. you know, which very few of your Marvel stories start off in Michigan, you know, that is probably the definition of just passin through for somebody like The Punisher and he befriends Beth the bartender who I think friends and then he really be friends are you know, he stands up for her with just a painfully just very creepy and appropriate guy which I think that you know, he deserves to get some fingers broken or whatever it is that Frank actually did do him. And you know, I think that when you get a guy like Frank Castle, your expectation is going to be when the cute from my estimation possibly Z as a different opinion. Bartender says do you want to get a drink his answer is probably like nah, that's all right. I'm going to do me. You know, that's not my thing. He says I'd like that and he does have Head head home with her for well, let's just say an evening. And I think that's what you were referencing right xia that that was the sequence that took you a little bit out of your you're punishing phase. It did it. It was fine. And it made sense to why he would want to come back and why you know gave him a reason to come back to the bar because you know had a nice night with this girl he had feelings but there was definitely during it where I was like, all right enough. Can we move it along please we get it. Guys are bonding and you're loving each other and like is whole banging like this. I mean apparently it you know for for Frank it is and there was a there were a lot of times where I'm just like are they doing like a weird editing trick or are they added again? Come on Frank? Let's go. There's you were waging a one-man war on crime. I think that it's important storytelling wise just because of the simple fact that it kind of shows you where he's at right now. He at least one of the season starts. He is a little bit, you know unplugged from his usual his usual Vendetta his usual approach towards the entire world, you know, he's a little bit more laid back and he's like, you know what I am going to enjoy a nice evening with this girl. I seem to be hitting it off with a few beers and I don't think I don't think you would see that, you know last season's obviously it wouldn't fit in the storytelling but just where he was at. I don't think he could have let himself do that. Yeah, you know, he was just preoccupied enough with you know, microchips wife trying to kiss him. Then that was that was enough action for him last year. So what was it about that sequence that that bothered you so much the I think it was just because it was so slow and it was so and it wasn't it doesn't bother me as much as like they did it in a way where I wasn't like. Oh God a rolling my eyes. Literally, the only thing was that I was you know, waiting for it to move on to the next point. So it was really a point. That was like, I'm not not totally into this scene and like what's happening and to me the woman was a little too awkward for me, right? I was like, yeah and like the kid. Yeah, which I thought was important. I thought I was cute we can you can see that of course, you know, Frank likes the kid he loves being able to interact with the kid. He insists on taking them out for Breakfast, which I think is a good move. So let that Frank's part let that be a lesson to all of you one-night-standers out there, you know, you can the least you can do is buy some pancakes for the kid, you know, I love you forever. Yeah. Well, which maybe you don't want but you know, I like the little back and forth about hockey. I thought it was it was some good character stuff, even though the actual sequence of Frank and Beth together, you know, I felt like a few minutes. It's less would have that's all it was. Like they could have just said could have saved some of those minutes of running time for the fight that comes up a little bit later the bathroom's here. It could have been another sink seen, you know something but let us know in the chat if you're watching live where even if you're watching the archived version what you thought about that first part of the first episode of season 2. Are we hearing in the chat from some of our friends just - so does Dez gross it's supposed to be fucking Karen. I mean It should be Frankie Karen. I've said on our the other show that Z and I do Marvel TV weekly that I you know, Karen is definitely available. She's clearly not with with Matt foggy Bears all locked up with Marcy. So yeah, you know, I think that maybe Karen had some troubled men in her life though. So maybe this wouldn't be healthy for her. I definitely wouldn't be the most healthy relationships. But I think that Karen would be really good for Frank. All right. Yeah, I think definitely be good for Frank. Absolutely. But you know barring that this is this is you know, if you can't be with the one you love Love the One You're With says Frank Castle and so he does go back to the bar and I kind of like the moment where you know, he explains when bantering with her the next night the second night that she's like how far did you get? He's like I got two hours down the road. I'm like, oh, I just thought he was down the street turning around. I like that. He got two hours. And he's like man gonna go back and see her and I don't know, you know, you don't usually get a lot of cutesy out of Frank. He's like, it's a good band and actually black magic does say here. It was fine. It was nice to see Frank in a relatively good place. I did enjoy him smiling and being at ease in the bar. Yeah, not a side of him. You can see that often but always when you're Frank Castle, you got to live life one beer at a time. Never mind. It's have no not what appeared at a time one day at a time because he has no credit cards. That's basically what he's saying. He's like I only have wads of cash exactly. He's like, I've got thousands hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, but I cannot put a card down naughty, you know, Pete Castiglione has Immaculate credit rating. He doesn't want to do anything to it. Well, let's talk about sort of the the focus of this first episode, which is the young girl whom we don't know her name at this point. We don't know any of her name's at this point who I do think that they have a really funny interaction. Marcy's we look at you know, and she calls him rough road which I think is actually pretty funny because when you look at Frank and go like that's a pretty rough road. I mean she was being a hundred percent accurate. Yeah, exactly. And so obviously he can't help but notice this obnoxious girl because she's super jumpy even the first night, you know, and then the second night. He's like, all right, what's going on here and he can't help himself and he steps in. You know, he He hears the altercation in the ladies room and I love the guy that they have, you know, Manning the the ladies room to keep people out because you just look at that guy and you're like, oh, yeah that mean it's like of all the people in this crew that could be, you know, blocking Frank from the door. This is like he's not going to break a sweat and he didn't know it was fun to see him pretend to be drunk which tells me in like a cage. He probably hasn't been drunk at a long time. He's like, well, I'm so drunk. And I don't have any weapons at all. I'm not that drunk. All right. Well, let's talk about I'm sure you have Zia for anyone that has never noticed. She takes copious notes for every show that you watch it. So she has a little notebook right here. So I want you to get to the section in your notebook about the fight scene in the bathroom. And I want you to share some of your thoughts as you took them down and just some of your what stood out for you about that sequence. Okay, first of all, Him hitting or no, I'm sorry. It wasn't him. It was the young girl have just heard as young girl. And yeah, and I actually have young girl is very annoying not by the way not wrong not wrong. Yes couple of episodes. I was like whoo girl stop running away anyway. So anyway, yeah when she hits well, first of all, he smashes the one guy's head into the sink and breaks the think if that's my favorite part I got was definitely dead, right? Yeah. I thought so yeah death by sink though. Yes. Yes. That was amazing. And then another note that I have here. Just this is on besides just the fight scene. That is awesome. And I love the young girl actually smashing the other girl you got involved. Yeah, me too. Yeah, she helped out. Yeah, because gosh because even if she'd like tried to help out and it didn't like knock anybody over here like all right, don't just sit there and hide yeah, like clearly he could use you could use another pair of hands. Yes a little bit. He's like he's trained and ridiculous. But he's also up against other train people that are clearly well-trained but my favorite yeah, but they're like, Michigan Rain, is she getting out you can still take like five or six of them obvious. And by the way, I'm just teasing anyone from Michigan. It's just jokes. All right, you know, we're just playing around. I don't really mean anything bad about your state. Yeah, the one girl in the chest. He just turns around and stabs her with it and you can just see the look on her face like oh we messed up there. Yes, you did There's Something personally gratifying about seeing people hurt with their own weapons because it's like well if you Pull that on the Punisher you might still be alive, you know, he's only stabbing you with that knife because you pointed it at him. Yeah. He didn't go like I let me use my stabbin knife. No, he would have just knocked your head into a sink or something. Yeah, and maybe not killed you but you know probably probably killed you. Yeah. Look this was this is like a this is like an a-plus-plus top-level fight scene. It's right up there with Daredevil season 3 had a great. Yeah. All the Daredevil hallway scenes this this was up there with kind of anything in season 1 of the show. I just sort of love the unique nature of it happening in the bar / the the ladies room and kind of the inventive nature of the fact that you're able to have things like death by sink. What were some of your more General thoughts on that xia? Well a big thing. And that that seen as well is I have noted here. I just I felt Ringo. Oh, yeah, we should talk about Ringo the bouncer I felt so bad for him seemed like a good guy like a nice guy and just when he was also just sitting there eating his Burger too. Yeah. It's like, oh no don't have good to that burger looks really good. I wanted it if you guys too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know next time and Ringo. Yeah seemed like a good guy and look he's he's definitely more than carrying his own at First he was doing great. Yeah, he was just outmatched and there were too many of them. They had weapons. That's all I can say is he was no match for weapons, but he was definitely well matched for that neck, you know? Yeah for yeah, he's just like I finally get to do what I've been wanting to do the whole time. I've been here. So yeah, I know and you could you could feel for Beth because like Ringo is probably one of the only constants there, you know in this bar. I'm sure they probably got close and he's constantly having to kick out jerks. Who were On her and super weird ways like creepy guy that you mentioned. So yeah, I'm sure that they've formed a little bit of a bond. So that was sad and then her getting shot all yeah and and just the world's most difficult shotgun to load that she had they're just she could not get it get it loaded. Just imagine if she could have and yeah, I think that that's a big reason why they spent so much time with the character because they wanted it to be significant for Frank when she gets shot that it's not just Just you know, I think anyone who got shot but wasn't dead. He would probably be focused on. Alright, let's see if I can get them some medical attention. But because it was this lady who he spent the previous night with and took a kid for pancakes. I think that it gave it more weight, which II look we both know exactly what they were doing why they spent so much time with it. It doesn't make sense. It does that's why I'm not knocking it too much. Yeah, and it shows that even amidst all of that. The uncertainty of trying to figure out who these people are why they want this girl why she's trying to get away from them. He's like, all right. Well, I'm gonna see what I can do to help Beth and make sure that she pulls through so that's kind of the gist of that first episode that is our main story and you know Zia one of the things you talked about we gave a very quick overview of these same first 3 episodes on Marvel TV weekly this past Sunday, but I know that like me you kind of like when an episode of a show starts right in the thick of everything and then you're like, I don't know what's going on. But this is great and then it's like okay, let's back it up a little bit and then they catch up and we see why he's in the van with the girl who these people are they're stopping the middle of the road. I always like sort of the you know, the Tarantino asked cycle back. I always think is is is pretty interesting which I actually also do have in my notes when they do that's right in the beginning. Yeah where they're up the van and she goes now what Because the card pulled in front of the nose people and Frank just pulls out his gun shoots them all and literally in my head. I was like, that's what that's what before we move on to episode 2 episode 1 was entitled Roadhouse Blues and excellent title. We do get to see agent madani visiting Billy Russo's room. And we do get the revelation of the Billy Russo mask, which I think is a little bit of a a controversial Choice part of showrunner Steve Lightfoot and everyone involved that I mean, I think that they do a good job of explaining it in a subsequent episode. But when you see it you go like wait. No, I mean purely Russa dead. That's no he's not character with a really bad mask. He's like the punishers Nemesis and that definitely it's a little jarring in a all the wrong. Ways when you see the mask, right? What did you think when you first saw that? Yeah, I wasn't a huge fan. I did at least like the way that they explained it, but it was just it was interesting with the colors that they went with. Yeah and the design. Yeah, it's just and it was obviously was drawn on. Yeah, I didn't mind it as much though like it wasn't especially because I knew that they were they they've been pulling the mask out a little bit, but I knew eventually the mask was going to come off. Yes, and we were going to see his face. And I know that this is something that Ivan has brought up before in the chat and some other people have brought up that and as soon as I saw his face, I was like the scarring is not as bad as it probably should be. Yeah, I mean, I understand that it's a you have yourselves a handsome actor and that you want to get it to capitalize on that. But you know, if you're watching this show you have to be ready for spoilers on this and I mean, he's jigsaw and his face is Not jigsaw dad at all. It's like even if they just decided like well, you know what we're just going to do like maybe one side of it one part of it, but it's like he's just got some scratches. It was like he got thrown through a plate glass window and that was it. And if I'd seen a man with scars like that on his face, like everybody's a glue freak like I wouldn't even think that well. Yeah, and I certainly wouldn't say it to a guy with those scars on the bus not doing that was crazy. Yeah, so I think that the and the basically what all we really see Billy do is open his eyes in this first episode. So we'll talk a little bit more a little bit more about Billy. We'll talk about episode 2 right after this very important message from our own Zeal Anderson. I have a really important message to you guys. So before we move on to our next topic, we just wanted to say thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk and for continuing to grow we could use Help if you're on YouTube right now hit that Thumbs Up Button And subscribe. If you're on iTunes, please us. Please give us a five star rating stars 1 through 4. Just do not work. For some reason. I'm just not five and no matter where you are. Leave us a comment so you can get involved in the conversation because we love talking to you guys being a part of AfterBuzz TV has meant so much to all of us, and we truly appreciate you supporting us and doing what we love. Don't forget to tell your friends and keep enjoying our shows. Thank you so much, and thank you. So we move on to Episode 2 now which Frank and the girl are on the run and they're treating his wounds and you can feel for a little bit here. Like she's being obnoxious and she has the bad Instinct of trying to run away which I think when we get to know her a little bit more you can understand that she's just like that's what I do is I run away from the situation and I won't stop running until I feel safe and you don't necessarily not even necessarily you don't feel safe. If with Frank Castle, especially when you first meet him and instead of feeling like she's been rescued. She's having to it's a pretty funny scene, but she has to dig a bullet out of his ass and then sew it up. Yeah. I know it's like it's not enough. Then you have to sew it up and I think that you know the actress who played her did a great job of like we were what are you doing? Because he's like he's taking his pants off which I'm sure she's seen her fair share of yeah girl. Yup, you know, however is how whatever happens? Yeah, I mean, especially this point we don't really know that much about what she's she's on a rough past her past was not great. Yeah. I'm sure that this you know, in fact we know for certain when we see a little bits of her flashback, you know, crappy motels like this or probably nothing for her to have to go through and this is probably not as traumatic as other things that she's had to done there had to do in some of these Places, I do think we have some good interaction between Frank and who at this point. She's calling herself Rachel Rachel. We find out pretty soon that that's just one of several names, but we'll call her Rachel while we talk about this episode. I think that this is this is sort of one of those important episodes that gets us ready for the next episode. You know what I mean? This is really setting us up, I think That there's a really cool another cool fight scene here and it shows how Frank is ticking thinking a couple steps ahead. I love that. He gets the hotel room on the other side of the wall so that he can tunnel into the other room and you know kind of use that as a staging station for the inevitable arrival of more of the thugs from episode one. Give me just some overall thoughts about Frank and Using air quotes for those not watching on YouTube Rachel and just sort of how he prepares her to survive this inevitable shootout. Well, what's the most annoying thing about that is the fact that he clearly knows what he's doing. He goes over I love the scene where he's arguing with a woman about the room. He wants to that was great. Yeah, and he gets a remedy once and you know, she's kind of watching all of this and late clearly is still trying to get away or still thinking about escaping he had to zip tie her to the bed, which is just crazy. I mean Granted he doesn't have the best bedside manner. But at this point you're watching everything that he's done and everything he's preparing to do and you're still trying to leave and the reason that's infuriating is because you know what you're facing and if you don't want to miss Dad. Yeah and he's working this hard to save you and you're not going to stick around. It's just crazy. I did like the moment where she's like, you're not gonna be able to sleep because I'm going to keep yelling and he's like, oh you think so. What do you think? I got duct taping here specifically for your mouth? Yeah. No that was that was really Money and and it's just but I but I love watching Frank work. Like that's one of my favorite things is when he sees what's coming he knows and he's planning for it and then you just get to watch it all unfold and that was so fun because in my mind when he was knocking down the wall, I for some reason didn't even think I was just like I know this is for something but I don't know. Yeah, I thought he was just going to be in the back of the closet. I yeah, I'm not smart enough to put together the fact that it's like we got an extra room. I wasn't quite sure. I thought that maybe He's going to hide out in a different room, but I wasn't really thinking about it. Yeah, but not instead he comes through from the other room through the wall and somehow which the next time I'm in a shootout in a motel. I'm going to do the same thing. I'm 100% using guys. Here's the problem though. Is that everybody's Gonna Know That Trick now, so they're going to go find the room on the other side and you know be ready back there. But and that's when you knock the wall into the room on the other side and you just I'm just gonna buy all the rooms. There's going to be a very creative maze through all the different. Yeah, I think that again interesting compelling sequence to watch but again Rachel just can't help herself. She feels like she's just has to run away again. And you don't think you steal the punishers van. I just I mean she I know she doesn't know who he is at this point. But this is bad Instinct and stealing the punishers van, you know, does this seem like a guy whose car? You should steal him? Yeah, and she flips him off and she's like see you later. So I go and yeah, like really this guy saved your life like a bunch. Yeah, like quite a bit actually and then I think Frank assesses the you know, when he is face to face with the police he realizes like, you know, I am sure I could shoot my way out of the situation but these are police doing their jobs, which I think you know, I think Different characters would handle that situation a little differently, you know, maybe they would even just try and wound the police but he's like, all right. I can't I can't start shooting. There's you know, too many people are going to get hurt. Let's just get turned in but he also figures I gotta do is call My Pal iijima, Tommy and everything's going to be fine. Uh-huh, and she gets that call right in the middle of a nightmare about Billy Russo and we'll talk about my day. Owning Russo in a second, but I think that it's interesting that she's just like I know you know that you had the one get-out-of-jail-free card. This isn't like a get out of jail hotline, you know, are you surprised about her initial reaction to Frank calling her especially in the middle of the night out of nowhere? No, not at all. I feel like that's kind of her Mo. She doesn't she gave him that one get out of get-out-of-jail-free card and she doesn't seem to really get too close to people or to attach. Especially after what happened with her and Rousseau, so I think at this point she's like, I don't want to be dragged back into all of this and she's already obsessing over Russo so much. Yeah that it she's not like she why would she want to bring that back in which is interesting and let's talk about that the fact that she confesses that she was visiting him twice a day. And I mean which one of these two characters is the psycho by the way, and she's you know convinced that he's faking. Yeah now, At that point when we first see him and she's convinced that he's faking it. What are your thoughts because my thinking is like I don't think he's faking it. Do you think that there's a chance? He's faking it or well I thought there was I think there's always a chance sure but for the most part I was thinking know just because of they they do have some of his And cease this is where I'm like, oh no as an episode to episode 3, but at least it's in one of them where he's working with his therapist. Yeah. I think that's episode 3 that's out there actually a little bit episode 4, I believe it want to get too far into it, but just from the little bit that you see I was pretty convinced that he didn't know what was going on. Yeah, I think once we start to see those going to say once we start to see his dreams. I'm like, okay, I think he remembers flashes. He remembers little bits and I do think it's interesting that he remembers Frank who's like a brother He remembers being in the Marines. He doesn't remember the Black Ops stuff. He definitely doesn't remember, you know, any awareness of Frank's family being killed and you know anything from season 1 he does remember any of that. He doesn't remember agent madani and then that's the part that drives her crazy because what she wants is him to not only know what he did and be like, but you didn't, you know, you couldn't kill me, you know, you were unsuccessful so I can sort of see it's very very complicated. I mean, they're both dealing with trauma and very different ways right him in the way that he can't process it hardly any of it. He's just can't sleep and it's not altogether surprising considering the beating that he took from Frank like I mean, he should have been dead the yeah the fact that he lived through that is insane. So it's not crazy that his brain completely shut down after that. I think they said he was in a coma for six weeks. Yeah and his brain completely. Down after that so then it's trying to reboot and how is it supposed to remember anything after that? Yeah, and we see that not only is madani obsessed. This is out of her jurisdiction. And I love that her mentors name is raffy and Good Ole RAF. He's like you got to let this go and you know, if you've ever watched anything you always know that the person that's being told like you got to stay out of this, you know, like how many times was? Ste night told that she has to you know, stay away from this game walk it off and okay. Sure. She's like, yeah, no problem. Anyway, I'm here. I am again. So yeah, obviously she wasn't going to listen and you just know that that spells trouble later, you know later in the season. So I think as we go through we're going to talk a lot more about Billy trying to process what happened to him, especially on tomorrow's show when we talk about episode. Or that will kind of be the first time that we're really dealing with him and we see him throughout the throughout the series before we run out of time believe it or not before we run out of time. Let's talk about episode 3, which I thought was one of those great. I mean, look, it's important. It's an important part of an ongoing narrative, but as like a standalone one hour of Television. I thought that this was great. This is a self-contained. You know, what you can kind of look at it as like a bottle episode because it's set in this police. Station I'm pretty much the whole time. And the what happens in the police station doesn't go the way you expect. You know, you figure you've got you've got Frank pretend Rachel and you know this psycho that's trying to kill Rachel that Frank ran into in the previous two episodes. I just refer to as creepy religious man. I'm talking about the Torah. I've been with the girl in jail will talk about him in a second, but the girl that's in jail. So yeah, you have to Give them inside your jail. You have to figure what obviously everybody's gonna end up dead, you know, because they're like, nope. We are not letting anybody go, you know, it's like we're going to do this by the books and I thought that they did a really nice job of illustrating how isolated this Precinct is, you know that it's the the state troopers are going to be like what I think they said that's like an hour away and they lose all connection, you know any way to communicate with anyone. So they really are isolated and I thought they did a decent job showing like yeah, you would kind of believe these characters as being at a Precinct like this, you know, especially the not particularly physically fit like desk cop, you know, you you don't get a lot of that in your movies and TV I did really like that one moment of here humor with him. We're after all is said and done and there's all that Carnage. He's like is it messed up that I'm hungry. I was just like yeah, I would be too. I would want to eat Ringo's hamburger right now. Yeah, and I just thought it was it was just so well done. You care about the characters. I kind of like their interaction and you felt the the sheriff really struggling with he has this guy who you know vigilante if you look if you're a policeman, you don't want Vigilantes out there taking matters into their own hand, but at the same time you want to protect, you know, No your community you want to protect your brothers and sisters in uniform and you know that this guy can can handle it. You know, you figure it out pretty quickly, you know. Yeah, and they don't even know. He's the Punisher like no they don't they don't know anything about Frank Castle. They're just like this guy's going to be a good shot. He's going to be able to head out there and take care of it. Tell me what you thought about sort of about these police officers and their interactions with Frank Rachel and We just color crazy bitch. I don't know what to call that lady. Yeah, I don't know what to call that that character. I don't even know that we get a name for her. That's we don't not sure they do give her they do have a name because they run her it's that's my fault Miriam or something. Yeah that oh goodness. You're right. Anyway. Yes. She's insane and I kind of enjoyed watching her die and I knew it was going to happen. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah and raised only one way only one way that was gonna have diarrhea. However, I really really enjoyed the way that they portrayed. I think the sheriff's name was Roy. Boy, that was I think you're right. Yeah, so I really really enjoyed him just as a character because he's one of those characters. We're in a sea of kind of very annoying characters. The female cop was driving me crazy. She's like, he's a murderer. Yeah. It's like you don't know the full story at all. You're just making assumptions. Yeah, which is crazy. But I just I liked how astute he was and how he just he picked up on everything. He didn't believe Rachel's ridiculous story that she's like, I'm just 16 called chat like I mean, I know her character is 16, but So like she's like, I'm the innocent bystandard all this he took one look at her and was like, you're lying to me. I know that and he was just I really he's one of those characters that I just really enjoyed and I like that he was trying to do what was right no matter what like he wasn't just going to kinu giving up Frank / Pete and Rachel too. You know, I guess it's I call him creepy. Yeah won't talk about him in a second. Yeah, the the mysterious religious man. Yes. And that would probably result in their deaths. So he's not willing to do that. Even at the detriment to his own men. And I think that seeing Ogden get believe that was his name again get shot really sort of force this not force his hand, but sort of that with the onslaught of you know, the insane gunshots in there, which was crazy. Cool letting Frank sort of let loose and then again, that's my favorite part. It's like, oh my God, just let Frank go when yeah with the broken arm, by the way, and he's like you got any black tape. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna be fine don't About this. Yeah, I just gotta I just gotta cover up the cast because I don't want anybody to see it and yeah look Ogden is obviously I think in a lot of versions of this same story the character who gets into the police vehicle and takes a sniper bullet. Well, he's not going to be long for the episode but it was nice to see and I thought that it humanized the Rachel character that you know, she had the interaction and then she's like, oh my God that guy almost died and she even and she gives him back his Five bucks. Nice touch. Okay. She's like I still don't like you but here's your money back. And I'm glad you're alive. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about this mysterious man. Whom we saw in the first couple episodes, but I kind of wanted to wait until now to talk about him because this episode does actually start with the flashback and we see him at church. We see, you know, there's a situation at home where his wife is clearly not well and we also see his Faded poorly laser removal white supremacist tattoos Nazi tattoos, I think across. Yeah for sure and there were two and I forget what the other one was but the helmet. Yeah, I like the the war to helmet. Yeah, it looked it looked like that but it was hard to see because you just kind of faded because was faded but yeah, the cross was definitely was very apparent. So just to kind of get to know him. I I found his interaction with the sheriff who I do agree with you. I think his name is Boy, I like that. He actually like talk to him. He's like, all right. Well, you know, you're a God-fearing man. I want to give you this opportunity and not in the way where you know, sometimes characters will pretend to give you a chance to make things right you feel like if he's like if he'd just been like take these people he would have been like alright fine. Yeah. There's nothing that nothing's no harm is going to fall you people because I you know, I don't know because you're a man of God. Basically, I legitimately think that he doesn't want to hurt. Old that they don't deserve it deserve it. Yeah, I think that he's got like this weird. Like he's still killing people. He's definitely got a code. Yeah, he's operating. He's following his religious beliefs which are you know, not the traditional religious beliefs. But yeah and whatever we're like he's got going on with you know, that man that he was talking to and that sort of flashback. Yeah. So there's there's definitely a bigger story going on there and watching that makes me want to know what that stuff. Yes. I was fascinated. By him, I was glad to see him get away. I didn't want him to get shot at episode 3 and the season which I didn't actually think was gonna happen, but I was glad to see it didn't happen. Yeah, and at this point, it's more just looking forward to when he turns up again. And then as we wrap up this episode, of course Billy Russo manages to break break out of his hospital the doctor who clearly A two way too trusting and accommodating lets him get out. I mean obviously she's being threatened but there's I think there are different ways. She could have handled it but she was so worried about him being safe that you know, she helps Billy Russo get out not in tight not a hundred percent willingly. I'm not saying that but and of course then Madan he's like no I need the Punisher. So all of a sudden that's the reason why we Get the homeland security helicopter. And I think that's the moment where creepy religious not see guys just like all right, this is more than I this is I'm biting off way more than I could chew. My whole Army has been taken out. There's a Homeland Security helicopter here. I don't know who this guy is. I'm gonna kind of circle the wagons a little bit and I come back. It's what did you think about sort of that moment when you know, Madonna shows up in the helicopter to be like, alright, everybody flips. You don't got to stay home, but you It's day here. I mean I thought it was great. Yes perfect timing and it just it was amazing the way everybody looked at it and was like, okay, so there's way more to this guy than we even know because he literally has Homeland Security sort of at his disposal showing up with helicopters. So I just loved it. I thought it was great. It was an almost comical moment, even though it wasn't meant to be. Yeah and especially because it comes right as creepy Nazi religious guy actually has Frank in his sights now. Now I think that you know, Frank has certainly realized he's been in someone sites before and it doesn't end well for that person, but I think it definitely sort of it was a nice way to be like, alright, we're going to put a pin in this no pun intended and we will see how this goes. So at the end of the episode they all had to New York, which is where we will pick things up tomorrow. I know that when we do these binge style shows that there's a lot of ground to cover. So let us know if you feel like we're going too fast, but we wanted to make sure we could pack as much in as possible. 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The Punisher is back for season 2, and so is The Punisher after show, with hosts Christian Bladt and Xia Anderson recapping episodes 1-3, including that epic bar room fight scene, the tense county jail scenes, the creepy religious former Nazi guy, Billy Russo and much more! Marvel's The Punisher, or simply The Punisher, is an American web television series created for Netflix by Steve Lightfoot, based on the Marvel Comics character of the same name. It is set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), sharing continuity with the films and other television series of the franchise, and is a spin-off of Marvel's Daredevil. The series is produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Studios, with Lightfoot serving as showrunner. The series revolves around Frank Castle, who uses lethal methods to fight crime as the vigilante "the Punisher", with Jon Bernthal reprising the role from Daredevil. Ebon Moss-Bachrach, Ben Barnes, Amber Rose Revah, Deborah Ann Woll, Daniel Webber, Jason R. Moore, Paul Schulze, Jaime Ray Newman, and Michael Nathanson also star. A television series centered on the Punisher received a put-pilot commitment at Fox in 2011, but that project fell through. In June 2015, Bernthal was cast as the character to appear in the second season of Daredevil. Development on a spin-off titled The Punisher began by January 2016, before the second season of Daredevil was released. In April 2016, Marvel and Netflix ordered the series, confirmed Bernthal  ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 