Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror plancast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to nightmare on film street. I'm John Kim and this week we are talking movies that take place while you're sleeping with 2007's wreck and 2011's Grave Encounters. That's right. We are kicking off found-footage month all June long. We are going to be celebrating found-footage Horrors here on the podcast at over on the website and ofs podcast.com. We have a ton of great stuff planned editorials retrospectives. Us talking about movies that have shaky cameras and headaches and all that fun stuff. I'm really excited found footage is one of my favorite. It's like one of my secret dirty pleasure Sub sub genres. So have to be dirty pleasure. No Stella braiding it out loud exactly in the open where everyone can see if you're out there shaking your head at found footage right now saying nobody does nobody good does found-footage. I want to remind you of a little movie called the incidents at Loch Ness directed. By Werner hertzog. Yeah, that's right. Technically a found footage movie. You're talking to a Verner Hartzog audience right now. Oh, yeah. Everybody is like in raptures. Yeah. Well, it's Thursday. It's fitzcarraldo day. Everybody's watching it. What? Yeah. What is that movie where that guy who takes a boat? What's it like bring it to the top of a mountain to turn into an opera house? Inverter hertzog actually did that. Yeah. What's the Loch Ness one about so it's kind of a mockumentary because it looky there's a monster at it. But is there there did a log isn't isn't Nessie a log anyway, no, no, no the fictional monster. No, she's not that photo that grainy photo you've taken a photo of he's so cute. It's a nice story nisse. That's right. We are celebrating found footage. This month at NFS podcast.com. We got all your lists. We got all your recommendations. We are celebrating the classics and the Undiscovered gems because I would say of any sub-genre. This is probably the one that has the most undiscovered films there so much. Oh, yeah, so many found footage films. Sorry. Well anybody can make one on their cell phone if they wanted to that's true. We could be making one right now if something scary were to happen right now. It didn't because we didn't plan ahead. Okay, so John what's keeping you creepy this week. Well, obviously the 2019 Overlook Film Festival just wrapped. We only got home a day ago. We're still buried. Yeah recovering. We're still, you know, eating vegetables and drinking water as a lot of bourbon on Bourbon Street guys. You don't know if you know that. I don't know if I've prepared some of the highlights of this year's Festival were of course the world premiere of Chelsea stardust's satanic Panic released by fangoria. Brandon Christensen Z follow-up to stillborn the US premiere of Jim jarmusch's the dead don't die the list goes on and on if you want to check out our coverage of the festival are reviews and interviews with filmmakers head over to n ofs podcast.com right now. Yeah, some of my highlights from the festival. I really enjoyed extraordinary. It's a comedy Ghost movie The Lodge, which is very spooky cold weather isolation movie. I'm gonna jump in here. Now before Kim remembers that she loved the vast of night divest of night, right? No, man, so great won the jury prize for best feature and apparently was a unanimous decision and no surprise at all. Yeah. It's a little bit sci-fi not quite horror, but definitely up every genre fans a lie. Yeah, I would say big recommendation. If you are a fan of War of the Worlds the radio program, but you can get reviews for all that stuff at NOS podcast.com There's more hitting through the weekend John and I have been working our hardest to get everything compiled and ready but there's been so much coverage. So we're it's going to be trickling on the site for a for a few days also because we were away in New Orleans. We didn't get a chance to see Godzilla. In fact when this podcast drops we still won't have seen Godzilla king of the monsters and I am hearing nothing but good things from the right people. Especially our reviewer Mary Beth who loved it. Yeah, yeah, right basically said this is this movie is for Godzilla fans. So I'm really looking forward to checking it out. We will be seeing it this weekend and releasing our drive home from the drive-in review of it on patreon at patreon.com Nightmare On Film Street. And while we're here, of course, I want to give a big shout-out to our most recent patreon supporters, Jason Elia. Alya great save John. Yeah. Hey, I mean, you gotta shout out twice. Hopefully one of those was correct. I hope one of those is correct. I really do apologize. It might be a Lea but II don't think so. I think it's I don't want to say I do another that nothing anymore tried your best. Thank you very much. And also Spencer you guys are great. Now, I'm glad I've got the three of you here because it's been some noises going on in my house knocks on the walls some bumps in the middle of the night and I can't can't figure out what it is, but it's okay. No big deal. I've got these three little cameras here in front of you one of you can decide who's going to talk for 20 minutes about why we're recording. I'm going to step out of the room because I can't handle it. But after that I'm going to need you to just walk around night vision on all hours of the night just investigating the darkest scariest parts as though nothing's gonna jump out and attack you Nothin cept you gonna jump and attack you as far as I know, but if there are ghosts he's we're gonna catch them and then cut print turn into a film. Yeah profit some of you may die as as Always with these things Somebody's gotta go because it's we you know, we have to release it in your memory. Also, you know, if if you drop the camera and I pick it up that's what makes it found footage because I can't just like okay everybody deliver the tapes to my desk Monday morning and oh who left these tapes here. I guess I found them like I have to find it near near your body legally. What? I'm so confused. But thank you guys so much for your support on patreon. If you are interested in becoming a patron and getting fun stuff like shoutouts merch swag and bonus content. You can head to patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street. Also, our may give way has now officially ended the cult of fiends giveaway. We have announced winners, so please check your inbox. We're still waiting to hear back from three winners mailing addresses if you Don't have good access to your email inbox just double-check the contest page because we have the winners posted there and they will mail your prizes. And if you were unlucky good thing for you, we have another giveaway started. We have a copy of the US blu-ray combo with Blu-ray DVD and digital that we are giving away courtesy of universal home entertainment that is over on our Instagram page at instagram.com Nightmare On Film Street, and that is open until June 17. Yeah, so you have a few days to enter that. And you could get a chance to win a copy of Jordan peels us. Is there anything else? No, I think we I think we downloaded it all I think we've if I feel like we did it had to do a lot of housekeeping because it was like such a crazy weekend. I'm excited to talk about these movies because they found footage month. I'm also excited footage. I don't have a follow-up. All right, let's kick it off. Let's start let's let's talk about the one found footage movie. I think everybody likes even people I know that don't love them footage. Love wreck. So wreck from 2007 currently sitting at a seven point five out of ten on IMDb 88 percent on Rotten Tomatoes 69% Metacritic rating and a 3.6 out of 5 on letterboxed. We saw this movie together for the first time right? I think we did. Yeah Darrell we came across it. No. Neither do I I do not. Yeah. This is definitely in the days before. I think we rented it. I think it was a blockbuster fun. Alright, just one of those like blind grabs. Yeah, it's not the weirdest thing like when your relationship not becomes but there is a point where you've both seen everything at the movies and like at the movie rental store. And if you don't find something new that neither of you have seen the night's ruined. Do you remember that feeling I remember being sad a couple times at the movie theater later the why don't you say that because we don't say the video rental store anymore when we couldn't find a thing. Lucky for us. We had a really good section of like foreign and Festival finds. Do you remember that section? It was just one tiny wall in but nobody ever rented. It was like in between the men's bathroom and the women's bathroom and there was one wall. It was just like one bookshelf. It was kind of just like an odd duck section because it also had documentaries foreign films and just some like odd Festival movies and there was only ever like one copy of each film and we bought always there we bought them when that store whatever second that Blockbuster went down. We're looking to the section. Yeah. It's how we discovered like Enter the Void Taxidermy accent are Mia. This is Joan Rivers, like all of the glory of the weird one off movies. We own that nobody seems to remember huh funny and wreck was one of them. Good God. Is this a good movie? Yeah, you know, I hadn't seen this movie in a really long time watching it for the podcast and I had forgotten how genuinely scary this movie is. Yeah, and it's it's a different kind of scary because it's like First person video game Scary it's scary in the way that like the resident. The Resident Evil games are scared residential evil residential evil a shit 12 seniors. You left the curling iron on again and I burnt my hand. It's first-person. Scary. Yeah so scary it's not and not like a jump-scare scary or a parent or I don't know how to describe how scary this movie is in that it's very raw. They really nailed. Well the found footage Freights in this movie. It's because you are really on that ride as much as I think every found footage movies probably also trying to do that. You kind of feel like the person holding the camera maybe because I feet it feels personal like when they the entire movie they are trapped in a building and you are trapped with them and I mean like yeah, you can use that language whenever you're talking about a movie period but really feel that in this movie. I think that's what gives it that video game. Because in a video game you're in control, it's you you're seeing the things that you're experiencing and I think we're probably going to be comparing this movie to a video game a lot because how the information is doled out is more like a video game then a typical found footage. It's all there but you have to walk up to it to read it. Well, you gotta press that a button got flip that paper. You got to read the notes from each room. But as my least favorite thing about video games where you find a journal and you got all I know is I collect all the journal pages or cool. Double the tape like screw the story. I'm here to shoot the zombies that pop-up. Yeah, but normally with a found footage film. It's about a bunch of people investigating something so like we're going to see this haunted house or there's this Legend here, whereas this film wasn't ever intended to be a horror film or whatever. There's just like a phenomena that happened. It's closer to Cloverfield. Okay in that we were filming a party or we're filming a late night. Broadcast regarding firefighters and their daily their nightly lives and then this thing happens so it is really vague for most of the film is vague. They the ending is vague and the information is only doled out to you slowly. It's a character dropping a line. And so some of these major plot points seem so insignificant when they're said but you pick things up and you're like Wait. No, that's a big deal. It's like real life. We finally find out that the dog was at the vet it. It's like an hour after we've been with a girl who's sick. And for some reason she wasn't really on our radar as much as she should have been well also, how do the like the EPA people know to come quarantine this building? Yeah, the firefighters got called because like a woman was in distress there were responding to a nine one one call. Yeah, and if they if the EPA I just I'm just going to say that I don't have any other phrase. Yeah had as much information as the people of the as the firefighters do the firefighters never would have gotten there so surely. You know something else and that's exactly where that dog comes and I remember writing that down like I'd forgotten about the dog, but in my notebook, I was like the dog is the key the dog is everything I underline this live cracked the code. Yeah. It's just really great because of how in the dark you are and you're right when the EPA guys lock them in and they start putting down that ominous like that are plastic tarp. Yeah, like a barrier. There's bugs. There's something so surreal about it because there with law enforcement. Yeah. And that's what that's what immediately and some credibility that's right because it means it's serious because they would in terms of people to get out. They would prioritize mother. I wouldn't think they prioritized the firefighter for the firefighters and the police who are First Responders who are supposed to be taking charge of this erratic situation or this erratic woman or whatever. The call was are no longer in control and do not understand what's happening. No, not privy to any they're not into that like yeah, they're civilians in this situation exactly, which is really creepy. I mean that police officer. I think he's just kind of on a little bit of a power trip and he he's the one that's got the radio and he's talking to them, but he doesn't know anything. No and I think that's part of the reason why he's pretending he's more in control and he keeps telling them to turn the camera off. Yeah, because he doesn't know anything exactly scared you'll yeah, that's the other thing this movie is greater than he has to wear a hat. It shows what people do when they're scared. And I mean like you don't see that in necessarily everybody a lot of them are just like what do we do what's going on? But it is it is always interesting to see how different people react differently when they are scary. Yeah, I think Angela the camera of the host of the the the television show. What do you call the anchor? Right? She looks at him. She's I'm sure it's I think it's like a late-night news thing that they just don't are live. Yeah, she's great because you don't really like her and she doesn't necessarily. Do anything totally endearing until near the end? She does some really cool self-defense stuff. But when things start to escalate she keeps saying like we need to have the camera on and she's kind of just really antagonistic about the camera like just shouting like we're keeping this on we need to keep documented footage and she keeps trying to update you on like how many people are dead and who's injured and stuff like a reporter would like she's doing a good job, but there's something really almost like she gets very offensive about it. Yeah, and I don't really like her in that situation, but I can See that character being real. Yeah, somebody who who is obviously used to Limelight and has Charisma and what they would want to do in that situation and they would want to keep filming and they would be almost the way she's protecting. Her camera is almost the same way that the people in Maine police officer is trying to protect the scene when they're both out of their depth. Yeah, and I like that we don't necessarily love her through these scenes be and it's it goes so fast that it doesn't matter if you like her or not. Movies would really try to make you like the lead like in a lot of found footage films. We spend so much time with these characters before they go on their big project or their big event or their big filming thing. We see them packing their bags. Yeah, because I'm looking at all their gear and being all excited and maybe we have a night with them the first night where they all have dinner and they meet the locals and you know what? I mean? Yeah, there's normally a really big extended setup which I do have to admit I like and I know you hate it I do I'm that. I'm a big fan of found footage. I love getting to meet and mingle and and stuff with characters. But this film doesn't need it and it's great that way. Yeah, I wonder I wonder if she keeps saying like we have to keep filming because in any fan footage movie you at some point wonder why are they still filming because it's self-preservation comes to mind. They don't need to say that in this though because but then why do they but they are news? Yeah, so that's what I that's why I think they really Need to say it at all because it makes sense that they would continue filming its third job. Yeah, and that's why I'm chalking up her saying like we need to keep filming its revealing her character more than it's trying to tell the audience. Why they why why we have to keep filming even though there's like a zombie maybe outbreak. Yeah. I think that's more revealing of her character. Okay, because I do cut I do have to say I hate when they're like we have to film this we have to keep a record and you're like what? But the news would do that. Yeah. No, they would that is always like a shitty part in all these movies. It's but I mean, it's a Trope just like running up stairs or any other Trope that you'd see in any movie like it plays by its own rules and a zombie movie Udo. The humans are more dangerous than the zombie like we've all got the same beats. It's just which beats you like. Unfortunately. Well, there's a reason why they've become tropes is because they're effective. Yeah. Well, it also helps establish the sub-genre without it. You're just Like a free-form movie, which is also good, but it's also fun. Yeah, this is great, but we came to found footage because we're looking for something some people like Kim really like those boring moments shut up. So why get rid of them or not, but it's a treat for people who like boring things. So I love this TV show that they're filming by the way while you're asleep. I think that's a great TV show I would watch that especially if I was up late at night in the middle of the night. I would totally watch that places. These are the Jobs that people are doing or this is what's happening on the street. I don't know if she's always following professionals. It could just be as it could be as easily as just walking around Central Park at night which sounds like a horrible idea or like I would love to see an episode where she's at a diner with just like I don't like guys that serve drunk people Pizza. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like these would be like coming in order food and fall asleep just because they need somewhere to sober up. Great. Yeah. That is my television show. I want to see that and they're bored. They're so bored because they they knew coming to a fire hall. Could potentially be very interesting if they go out on a call if there's a fire if there's a cat that needs to be rescued from a tree but they also have to get enough be role in case that doesn't happen and all they have is footage of her trying on the fire suit. That's it tries to talk to like the receptionist and there's like and it sets up to who were going to be with the two the two main firefighter so that when we actually go out on the call, we have these almost two familiar faces who provide Comfort I would Throughout most of the film like either like there's there to protect her almost I find myself being like find Manny. Where's Mandy? Yeah, because they're the guys that are standing up for them. When the police say, why is there a camera crew here? Why are you feeling like no other with us? They have permission yada yada, like that's we need those guys to basically run defense for us as the main character. Well, most of their their big guys were trained fireman like interest in an outbreak of any sort. I would like to be with them. Yeah, like doesn't he pick up a sledgehammer on yes, you imagine just walking around swinging the sledgehammer it but they're going upstairs like to check out a monster situation. The one police officer has a gun one gun between like 12 people scary already, but he just grabs a sledgehammer and goes upstairs and you're just like good on you sir. Well, if it's all you got it's all you got. Okay, so let's talk about the first incident. Let's let's get into the plot a little bit. Yes. So that's that's why they were called on this emergency on this is nine one one call is because Residents heard screaming in this four-story apartment building. Yeah and a woman who is normally kind of reclusive and is odd to begin with big scream, maybe a loud sound possibly murder. They think that she fell down or something. So they're going upstairs to check it out. Yeah, so they come into her apartment and at the end of a really long. Oh man, like these are the largest departments than anybody's ever. I'm sure they're beautiful. It's insane apart from the zombies thousand square foot apartment. It's we're moving to Spain. Like that's what it comes down to I didn't see anybody in that group that looked like they were well to roll in and out. Yeah, it's a we're getting in a parking lot. It's like rent-controlled everybody. There is gotten it from their great-grandparents. But yes, this old lady is just standing and you can see just with the camera light a little bit in the Moonlight coming in through the window that she's got blood all over. Yeah. She's in a nightgown or like a slip or something and it is like blood-soaked. It isn't pink red with blood. They're all at 10 seconds before she eats one of the cops the main cop the main cop bite his neck and as they're so so we've got why are we trying to do beat for beat this movie? Like it's been forever since you've seen it but like when they try and take the cop outside, that's when like this movie is just like it so raises that makes oh well we get there. Oh, we finally got a good call. It's breaking up the monotony of hanging out in the fire hall. Oh, there's a lady. Hey, it might be a little scarier than we thought I was gonna be. She's a monster. She's eating people we Gotta get out of here doors locked and meanwhile, they're good. They're all carrying that police officer who's been bitten and blood just everywhere birding out of his neck like he is in critical condition and the door has been locked and they're not allowed outside. Oh and then some guy catapults from from the stairwell three stories up, isn't it Manny? Isn't it? Like our buddy? It's the other one. It is Alex poor the other first firefighter kaput. Yeah in the most shocking drop of all time. So it's insane. The first thing we said is I think the first time anybody watches us it destroys them because it's like it's like a jump-scare that breaks all the rules because people like yeah, it's tense. It's scary. What are they gonna do? Oh my God. Somebody just died in front of me cuz we're still high on this weird on the story of like this guy is dying. Why won't they let us out? They presented so many other things to ponder at the doorway and then oh, yeah that guy that's upstairs with the zombie defeated. Yeah. It's around this time in the movie The like I start to think like there's an odd thing to say, but it's like there's a movie happening on its own and these cameras are just here to witness it. I don't know if that makes sense. Like that's kind of what found footage film making is supposed to be. Yeah, it's that's what it's supposed to be. But it a lot of the times it feels very staged. I'm trying I use that term lightly. This happened in front of the camera could more conveniently than they should. Yeah, and it's the camera is like maybe just like a Half a second behind the action and the scares like they do a really good job. It's like the cinematographer wasn't told exactly where to look and what was going to happen. Like all of the actors know exactly what they're doing. They're all moving. It looks like there are no cuts and we are just watching a stage play where people are almost improvising a horror movie and this camera just happens to be catching it at the right time, but it is staged. So so well a point on that there's also a Ali there has to be a really great awareness of what an audience would expect from a film like this to and this kind of goes with how it's staged a little bit later in the film they end up back in that hallway where the larger woman was zombify second floor, whatever. Yeah, and they have to take her down. So they shoot her but at some point she's gotten another one of the tenants who also dies in the hallway. So there are two dead corpses in that Hall and we're having a In the foreground where Angela is talking to her cameraman and they're just talking about what had transpired like they just saw that woman get shot for running at the officer and it was very tense and it was a really adrenaline charging scene. So they're just going on trying to recover from that and figure out what's going on, but that whole scene we have a clear view of these two corpses in the background and we all know zombies at this point. We understand how they work and we do not know. No one first of all, the girl in the front was just killed by a zombie has not been shot at all and the second one has already reanimated at some point. So we're watching so hard to make sure nothing moves but also because we're terrified something might move and in that time entire scene nothing happens because the real plot of that scene is what's happening in the foreground in our two main characters trying to make sense of what's happened. Yeah. We're just expecting zombies to start moving. This is why 3D will be great. It just isn't yet. That's what I'm saying. Like that's gonna give us that foreground and background storytelling where we're going to be watching two things at once. The scene is so tense. Yeah, were you watching like were you watching the characters in the front and that scene I wasn't one is I was watching those zombies and make sure their fingers wouldn't move was like you guys stay down stay down. You're grounded mister. I always forget that they send a health inspector and yeah my memory it's just a it's a it's a long way down full a full lockdown note. Eddie and nobody out and we just watch how these characters deal with that and to be honest. I mean one. Yeah budgetary. It's smart idea because it's basically like a hallway one apartment that's used for several apartments and like another little service area. So like budget-wise for this movie. It's great smart idea, but that's also sort of a Trope for a standard zombie movie. Anyway, you have some action outside where we see how you know destructive the world is and like the zombies are everywhere and then we hole up and One safe space and we watch how the group cannibalizes itself right? So not unlike what we would see in a normal zombie movie. It got a non found footage movie but bringing the health inspector in his cool because it also eventually gives us a little more backstory on what the guys outside know, even though they know only marginally more than the people inside so it doesn't really feel like a lot of exposition. There's still more for us to figure out ourselves later on and And that is that is the craziest part about the end of this movie. Will you get any of the answers but good God you got a piece them together yourself the health inspector confirms the fact that the dog was sick and that the vet had basically sent up a red flag that this dog infected all of the other dogs and they're all wild and crazy and they want to bite everybody and this is how we know that the virus gets transferred through saliva and depending on your blood type the this this is the scariest thing and this is such a Smart take on the zombie move. It's not that the first wave of zombies take longer to become zombies or that there is a specific set time like ooh 45 seconds after your bit. You're a zombie or two and a half hours. Whatever is convenient for the movie. It's based on blood type so you could get bitten and become a zombie three hours later or you can get bitten and become a zombie in an hour in 10 minutes and five minutes. It's all based on your own. Genetic makeup, which would be true about any virus it all depends on the recipient, right? You're more susceptible to the common cold or the flu than I am yada yada. So why would a virus be any different? Yeah, and so the health inspector he's coming at I'm assuming this is a bit of a ruse. I don't know if they have any intention of letting anybody out, but they're basically saying that if they all give a vial of blood they all just do a little blood test to confirm that they do not have the virus. They'll be let out. Don't necessarily think is true. They might be let out into a different quarantined area think they might be trying to get more information about this virus because this is I would say that this is Ground Zero for this virus. Yeah, and they don't know anything about it. So, of course they're going to try to get as many samples as possible which is why the health inspector is there but I don't know if they get any opportunity to take any blood because as the health inspector comes in the two wounded which is the firefighter and the main police officer they Turn yeah, and then they're like free and this is where all hell breaks loose the this movie ramps up real fast because the zombies are they weren't chained to the bed. They were trying to handcuff them down. That's what the health inspector was telling them to do, but they were arguing and they were worried and then they boom zombified and now they're on the loose. It's not gonna take very long for them to get to that single glass pane door, but they do have like that weird shuttered or the textile shop that they're hoping is gonna hold. Garage door style, let's do this. And so I can't even remember why but oh damn this movie is so good. Sorry. I'm just remembering it live like we're watching it. So they come back they're running away from those zombies and the little girl who was sick is now fucking evil and she's like attacking people and she's running off like she's like gauge from pet says she's time though fat first to spit blood into her mom's mouth. Yeah, right like you don't The worry is that oh, don't let them bite you it's like don't worry got this covers your Survivor. Yeah, right runs upstairs like a little demon baby. Yeah. She's a scared little sprite that one. Yeah, but they're smart enough to at least handcuffed mom to the banister because they know immediately she's danger. Yeah, and that doesn't become the friggin biggest scare of the movie minute. Yeah now because they get this point people are turning the zombies Left Right. Everybody's the zombie. There's always upstairs. There's zombies in the textile shop. Course slowly opening that garage door mom's a zombie who's handcuffed to the stairwell and is very hell-bent on getting anybody that goes past at up or down the stairwell and despite helping everybody get to safety that Health Inspectors been bitten and he knows what his fate is so he locks himself in the bathroom. He's basically just like get the fuck out of here. Stay the fuck away from me. I don't know how long I've got but I'm I'm dead like I am dead right now and unfortunately that nice old man whose it's so very vain. He he stays a little too close to that bathroom gets bitten. His interview is great like his losing testimonial moment. Like what's my good side? What's my boo? How are you today? I also we're filming. Oh we're filming now. I also just like that even though there's this like emergency situation in this apartment building these residents have no problem being like low-level Petty and let slightly racist we get more about some of their characters. They're like the old people are He's definitely got do you think he's got dementia? I think I think it's just a mansion as he can't remember what floor they're on. Yeah. I do love that. They bicker back and forth like an old married couple but she's probably just she's got a great memory and he's losing his and she's fed up of having to correct him, but that plays good too because there's a few moments where they have that back and forth where you're a little bit worried. He might be sick. But yeah, I think it's just a venture that's good point because we don't see them later in the movie if they've if they've become zombies or whatever this alien, this is yeah. I don't think they're fast enough to be a huge threat. I love the way you say that because you're like, oh I got the goods. I got the theory I have nothing I have very like I am so ready to get to this ending. Okay. I'm so ready to get to this ending. Okay, so some people turn into zombies and then we go into the penthouse well because there's nowhere else to go. Yeah, so they were trying to get keys to go through the floor of the textile warehouse, but there are too many zombies everywhere and in some point our beloved firefighter holding the sledgehammer has also become a zombie so sad so all that Is left is our cameraman and Angela reporter Pablo Angela and we head to the penthouse which is supposed to be an occupied occupied. Yeah, oh when she's trying to unlock the the penthouse with the keys and all the zombies are running up. The stairs is so God is too much stress for me. Yeah. It's like a ticking clock scenario and you can hear them getting closer and closer than the honestly just given how the rest of this movie is gone. You're not a hundred percent certain. They're going to make it through that door. Like would not be an uncommon found-footage move to have them diet that door and the camera hits the floor that were in the movie. I don't even I don't even know what I'm expecting to happen because all the characters are pretty much dead and it is looking hopeless for our two leads. And so I don't know what I'm expecting when they finally open the door that Penthouse but it's not what they actually opened the door to it's also it's not really spoken about the rest of the movie as this ominous like oh, we don't know who lives there. It's Empty for years 20 years today. In fact like it's not we don't think that we're going to find out Eddie. Although we just think it's an empty space but you don't think you're going to find out anything about the the origins of this outbreak. It's a small budget found footage film and they've been doing a great job at scaring the shit out of us up to this point. So if it just ended and gave us no answers, I think we would have still been fine with the film. I think for having the answers we get it's even scarier. This is like, holy shit. It's all here. Oh girls they do. Do that same thing where they just front load you with like spooky information and then they drop another bombshell on you and then it's just over and nothing is overtly explained. So you kind of just have to take what you see what you pick out of that movie but through it. They're also fighting some two main zombies and the light breaks so you don't get a lot of chance to see what's actually on the walls. Yeah. They think they found safety. Unfortunately. They've locked themselves in with an even more dangerous threat. Patient zero or call her so all around this entire apartment. We have 0 and 0.5. There's two things up there. Okay, but one of them is the little boy. Yeah Chinese family is it? Yeah. No, I think it's a little channel that was possessed. I thought was a little Chinese boy because there's a little boy anyway doesn't matter. There's a little kid and and somebody else who we see so third that throughout the entire Penthouse apartment there. It's like there's lab Going on and there's newspaper clippings and there's recordings from the Vatican about like what's going on and this fucking apartment looks real nice. By the way. There's a ceiling mural in this place and they're so the newspaper clippings on the wall. You don't get to read a lot of them, but there is one main thing that keeps popping up and it's a possession is one girl who was possessed and there's other possessions, but then there's also a lot of photos of brides of Bride It's yes, okay. There are a lot of veiled women. Okay, and and we hear from this male scientist. /dr. / I'm assuming he's a scientist. Yeah, maybe he's more leading religious than scientist, but he's trying to extract The Possession from this girl. Yeah, and it is excuse extractors the right word because of what it becomes. Well, I think what yeah, what they're trying to say is that possession is either a supernatural It's a tangible thing. Yeah, that's what they're trying to say. Like stick The Possession itself the demon whatever it is like the let's treat it like a virus which means we could cure it to the way medicine cures other things, but it means you could also weaponize it and maybe not weaponize it but I don't know if they're there yet. No, I don't think that's necessarily the plan either. They're just trying they've got this hypothesis that evil is tangible and can be extracted or treated and that's why they have this possessed girl because they're trying to use her. Her as the experiment to get that demon virus will call it. Mmm talk to me about the bride's. I just think that there's now I'd love to see the scene more but I'm I would bet that somewhere in this room. There's got to be evidence to like the doctors personal connection to this situation. Okay, maybe his wife is possessed and if he could just one specific pride, I don't know. I think it So I don't know but there's you know, there is a lot of bride stuff interesting and then the possessed girl story. So I'm thinking that they are trying to they're using this girl's a case study, but I'm sure it's because he has a personal personal connection to eradicating this disease interesting now these Brides because I don't remember so I feel like I'm interviewing you old-timey photos modern photos old-timey for fuck. Okay, he's here. I'm going with us. Yeah wreck 3 takes place. At a wedding hmm means nothing. Obviously. I yeah, I don't remember anything about the bride's interesting. Could you be creepy imagery? Probably not though. I don't know. I don't know that she's crazy. So what I assume happened is because egg at this place looks like it's been empty for a very long time and it's dilapidated and gross. She escapes like she was his test subject. She overpowered him or whatever and you locked her heel. Turn it up. Okay, he's just dipped. Yeah, or yeah. Yeah, he's gone. And how did she get the dog's sick? I don't know. That's that's the one thing. I have a question leaving this movie is how she got the dog sick the dog could have been sniffing at the door or something or maybe the landlord checked on the route like who knows? Okay, either way dog got into something. It shouldn't I got into got sick. That's how it spread everywhere. Hmm because this thing has been locked in there for a while its emaciated. It's like gaunt and gross. Is it hasn't eaten in a very long time but it's Dairy creepy so creepy and at this point the lamp has burned out because the kid has attacked the cameraman so they're on night vision. So the entire thing is green. I'm sure you've seen the images if you haven't seen the film lately, you'll remember that green green light and that is so nuts what she's eating people scary scary and a great final shot. Why did they ruin it when they make quarantine? Why did they do that? What do they do in quarantine quarantine the scene where she's talking to the camera and screams and gets pulled away is in the trailer. It's a cool moment, but it's a nice surprise. Yeah, don't put that in your trailer. Yeah hurts, but what's so great, I think about this ending is up until this point. We've just assumed the zombies and we've been saying that this whole podcast zombies. Yeah. It's not a zombie movie. No, not really. It's a possession movie. Yeah, but it's like possession playing by the Rules of zombie. It's like they've taken this The Possession and they've mutated it and given it more power the way a virus does like they it's great so weird because the that means that all of these people are in control of like by the devil will say yeah and like if it's a if it's a demon does that mean the demon is simultaneously possessing all of these people or if it's just pure evil concentrate that they're just spreading around like a zombie virus. Yeah, or I mean you can take it. A way where it's like, oh well demons don't exist in this is just a virus and because we never had any name for it. We we said demons for years, but the fact of the vatican's into it and the vatican's doing the testing and whatnot. I'm gonna stick with demons. I it's a very interesting angle by something that hasn't been explored before with with the zombie genre like sub-genre. Oh, yeah. It's a great refresh for that that whole take especially when you see this main monster the very end. It is something entirely different. Aunt than like why would you have this weird creature mmm, it's the stuff of nightmares. It is the stuff at home and it looks so good. I love this movie. It's shit hits you and you don't understand what's happening and then it's terrifying and it's over. Yeah, and you're left with like what was that? Yeah. It's like the whole first half of the movie the first two-thirds of the movie. It's an assault of fear. And it's just like it's nonstop. You get a few moments here and there where like, okay, you can catch your breath, but for the most part it's just Like hit after hit after hit scare after scare and at the end of the movie It's you're still being scared that whole time and you are running away, but it's like an info dump that you can't handle. It's just an overload, which is I think it's a great description. Yeah it is. Oh, yeah. It's a great description for the whole movie. It's nuts. This is an information overload. It's a scare overload its full sensory overload. I like this movie a lot. Yeah, and it does so feel like a video game, especially when You're with the cop and the firefighter and you know, there's zombies upstairs and they're like we gotta go find that little girl Mike. We don't know. We don't we don't we don't and when they're trying to get get away from the mom when she's been zombified and she's attached to the stairwell. I cannot handle that scene. That is so fucking scary. It's pretty crazy. Oh so many good scares on this movie. Are we ready to get the ratings? I think we are. Yeah. Oh feeling we got here fast. But whatever this movie is fast. It's a hundred and eighteen minutes long hundred eighteen. It's an hour. 18 minutes just about 78 minutes not bad at all. It's a nice short film. Yeah, it's good pacing II, you know, I like short film. Yeah everybody sits on it, but like occasionally you get one. You're like, yeah, I wouldn't have made this any longer get in get out scare him a bunch. That's why I'm giving this a four out of four. I'm also giving it a four out of four felt like you were strolling you're waiting for me to give mine. I was yeah, it's so good. I it seems weird to I was like, no not afford for surely it 3.5. It's like what do I have to complain? In about in this movie absolutely nothing. I love everything about this movie and it holds up like I've seen this movie so many times and it was a joy to revisit the yes, but there's are so on point. I was like screaming last night watching this and you know all the beats and I know like all of the scares it's so good. So well done such a awesome found footage movie a really interesting take on the zombie genre and like they threw a little bit of demon possession in there and you know, it's It's just fucking great moving on. Let's talk about another fan favorite. We're going to talk 2011's Grave Encounters good evening and welcome to another episode of Grave Encounters psychiatric hospitals. Like this were seen as sort of a Dumping Ground for embarrassing family members rather than a place that they could go to actually get help many of them were severely Disturbed truly frightening. I swear to God that I saw someone at the end of all their that he swears that that's something pushed him off the ladder tonight my crew and I using the most sophisticated in ghost-hunting equipment. We're in search of definitive proof of spirits that were unsettled in life and possibly unsettled in the afterlife. Is there someone here with us? TC Roma, yeah, I'm going to document everything because when we get people are gonna want to see this as you send our God. So Grave Encounters from 2011 currently sitting at a six point one out of 10 on IMDb 64 percent on Rotten Tomatoes a 33% Metacritic rating and a 2.9 out of five on letterboxed still pretty high. I would say for found footage found footage. She's normally rate of not not so great. Now, what is your first introduction to this movie? Do you remember like when you first found out about Grave Encounters? No, and I'm not gonna lie every Time we watch it. I think I haven't seen it. Like that's that titles really familiar. I think I've only seen the second one and then we put it on Mike. Oh, right. I remember everything about this. I have that that too and I think part of it is my brain remembers the hands in the hand scene and the bathtub stuff. Nothing else does my brain remember? I'm all about Lance Preston. Like that's what I remember. I'm Lance Preston and this is Grave Encounters, but when I was Reading up on Wikipedia when I was trying to get the ratings for this film. Apparently the trailer went viral. Oh, really? Yeah. And so this film had a really great head start because that's fantastic like 32 million views on that's great on YouTube for the trailer for a found footage film. So you seen this rally. Do you know if it makes it look as though it's it's like an ad for the TV show Grave Encounters. I don't know. Okay, because that that would seal the deal for me. So I think that's really interesting because I don't remember I'm sure we didn't see this movie when it was first coming out but I don't know because I've always been kind of big on found-footage huge unfound fast, but I don't remember when I'm when we first saw this movie because I'm sure it was together this movie came out in 2011. So we were together ya know every once a year we both take vacations for a week and watch whatever movies we want go to the aoi's we we rent different hotel rooms and all we do is watch movies. So that way we can still sound like normal people me like, oh, yeah. Live separate of each other. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't remember when we first saw this movie. So I know this is probably the third time we've watched it like the podcast viewing. We've definitely seen it a couple times before this. Yeah, and I think that comes down to I kind of hate Ghosts shows. I kind of hate them. Yeah. I'm not a big fan but if it's 2:00 in the morning and they're all that's on like I don't watch it ghost show maybe mainly just to hate at it. But I think that we have an outlet for my my ghost show. It's funny your mind me having your hands around his throat right now. But yeah, I think it's that disinterest in those shows and maybe just like the the the raised eyebrow you have while watching them that makes movies like this better because you have to think that the shows are bullshit in order to really love this movie or maybe or maybe not even a I think it goes both ways. I I'm sure people who like ghost shows and really believe in like EMF and all of that. That fun ghost technology that stuck in 1998 can really get behind the the parody of it, especially when they're proven to be right. I mean the building is definitely proven to be haunted in some kind of fashion, but they're paying people to say that at one point right like they're like, oh this this groundskeeper who just started who doesn't want to talk to the film crew give them 20 bucks to say that he worked here for 10 years and I was so great. I was over there and over there. He was very scary very scary. We're like the the bullshit scenes are where we're going through that text. That's just to show. I mean, I'm sure the other shows are real legit. Oh, yeah, and I mean, it's just he's a composite character like other people have said it's haunted. We just don't have them here with us. So he's a stand-in for real people and their real experiences that will never get you into hot water. No, but like the bullshit parody moments, I think are great when we were going through the technique. Yeah, this is our EMF reader. This is our EVP reader and this is a geiger counter like isn't it? So as well Little sweet. Yeah, man looks awesome at no point do they explain what it does and they just they have it because it looks great and it's the machine that goes ping right that jokes been running strong for 35 years. So basically the setup for this found footage film is that it is a ghost television show now, we don't start with the TV show we start with the producer of the TV show, you know, sitting in his office in front of his computer screen and he's telling As we are about to watch the compiled footage of the unaired sixth episode of Grave Encounters. Now five episodes have already gone and aired and whatever and sometimes at some point on during the 6th episode something happened and then everybody went missing. Yeah, what you're seeing now is real and it's only edited for time. I love that set up because what there's what they're essentially saying is you've seen Faces of Death, right? That's fake this actual people dying in Joy. Like I that is always that that always makes me feel like I'm watching a movie and not like I'm watching something real like it's always doing the opposite of its intention, but I think everybody goes into this knowing that it's a movie. It's I still think it's a good framework. I still I still like that. It just reminds me of the Blair Witch, you know, like these tapes were found under the foundation of the house and it was impossible and all that was left of them wear their shoes. Yeah, that's from Doug, but I you know, I Is set up kind of it. It's just say it's funny because it's it's another thing that they're using to try to suspend your disbelief. But he says like oh, it's just been edited for time. Well, what are they editing this footage will because otherwise it would have been like a tower where we and who are they hearing it too or they compiling this professionally for the police the police would just want the evidence? Yeah. I'm pretty sure he started with your honor. I'm sorry. I couldn't be in court today, but we've edited this footage for you for time. No, would you have liked it more if it just just went with that next screen where we have sort of like the yeah, we just started with them. Yeah, like the countdown like in five seconds. It's coming to this like I like that and Blair Witch because it's just like a title card in Cloverfield starts with like property of US government and then it's got like a Time code and then we flip into yeah, like recovered at the scene formerly known as Central Park like whoa. Whoa, whoa. Whoa. Yeah the Fermi the Roar the better the more raw that better Yeah, the more rawr. For the better. All right, let's get it. Rawrrr. Yeah, I'm a big Roar fan you guys like robber movies. I'm not trying to make fun of you but it does sound like it. Um, so Grave Encounters, we follow Lance Preston, who is the Head Hunter of the head honcho give you that of this goal. I know Preston. He's never not said his name with eight eyebrows ate I ate I ate eyebrows person and him play. It's Peru rested. He is joined by Sacha. Who is the occult girl. Yeah, she's there specialist on Matt. Who's there techy guy TC who is cameraman and Houston who is their greatest medium ever their media? I love that. They shoot additional footage for his arrival like they shoot him coming in. We see the car park. We are back up like inside the building and he looks up and takes his glasses off and he's a little worried so good there. Those are the scenes that seem the most like reality television show where they're walking around with Houston and I got or know there's some there's some really dark energy in here and I'm just concentrating on this time. Like well, we did just learn from the landlord that a girl committed suicide in this very tub the speech pattern there. You've got that down the TV show and it's the worst and then just the constant Recaps. Like that's the only thing that could have made this movie better is if we they also Did in the recap is where we're coming back from commercial and we see the same thing on when we first left off again this door opened on its own. We're going to see if we can recreate that right now. No, like quick cut to the door opening door opening door opening link Zoom inside Circle bird footage. So it's like black light sort of slow down just a little bit Yeah, Sacha. You said that you got a Vibe earlier when you watch the footage of the door opening tell us what you feel. That's right. Door opening when I was over there and the door opened I got this sense that something was wrong door opens, man. I hate reality TV. Oh man. Yeah. It is funny though. If you watch it all reality TV, and I mean all reality TV. If you watch it thinking that the editor hates his job. Oh, it's so fun television show. It is a different experience altogether. Oh my God, so I've watched a few episodes of that Lindsay Lohan reality show that they aired on MTV. A few weeks ago maybe haven't we all they do not make her look good at all it is it is so I don't know who on her team thought, you know what Lindsey I think you're ready for the spotlight again. Let's just do some like real raw uncut stuff see you in your regular life, you know, like in Mykonos and greets. The editors are not kind to her and it is hilarious. They make her look terrible and she's always just off in her own world when they're trying to create drama and they are not afraid to Cut to it, you know the only unfortunate part there is that maybe she's not like that at all but they've edited it to make it look like okay. Can you give us a specific example? Well, there's just a few weird instances where she's like, okay, I'll give you one really weird one. So it's about these she's pretending that they need to hire like hosts for her Beach Club. And so it's these hosts. We were doing these like not really Jamison to show ya and halfway through the show they decide that they can only keep for a smells. Competition. Yeah, but at some point they're they're off doing their Challenge and they have like their their VIP guests that they're trying to take care of and they cut to Lindsey who's just like digging off on her own and she rescue. She's trying to rescue a lobster from her Seafood Bar, but it's on ice and she runs down the beach and then she runs down the pier and she drops it in the ocean. Okay with a lobster is definitely dead and the cameraman just follows it as it sinks to the bottom of the ocean. Wow, and she's like, I'm like Ariel and he's my surpassed. Did she say they take Lobster off the menu? No. No, but there's another scene with a lobster later in the season like she keeps trying to rescue mom and they're already dead. And on Ice. Wow. Okay. Well you saw that that Meme where she's pretending she can cook. Oh my God. I have seen that and she's literally just putting like tomato sauce on bread and cheese. Uses it Ketchup. It's like a um, like a plate decorator. Yeah, like she's garnished like the way you would maybe take a sauce and sort of just like Spiral it on the plate. She's doing it with ketchup and it's just like torn up pieces of bread and lettuce and it's like she thinks of that's what croutons are made. I don't know. I think the real question is when she bites into that does she thinks it tastes the same as when she goes to like a five-star restaurant? I have no idea. Yeah so weird, but so that's what I need. I want to say that I watch those shows ironically because I don't know why I watched I think I just watched them to like I think you watch his way. So he's that dark part of my soul that just wants to see people be fucked. No. Okay. Well I was going to say maybe you watch them away. Some people watch sports like sports you can get invested you could just watch it blindly, but it's just no I think I watch it for dark and twisted reason. Okay, so it's not just like let's turn my brain off for an hour and watch this show. All right. I'm a bad person maybe but it's what's made you an expert on things. It's what's made you an expert on all things reality TV, which it's LED you to here like a without without all of that bringing us back John. Yeah without all of those years of ranan wouldn't have understood or fully appreciated the depth of the vicious Brothers Grave Encounters. Okay, so we all kind of know what happens in this movie. They're touring around locked it. They're faking their ghost stuff and then all of a sudden some spooky stuff actually starts to happen. My favorite moment is soon as spooky stuff starts to happen. They say fuck it. We're out of here. Let's go they go to open the door. It's locked. It's like you actually lock the fucking door think it's good for TV. It's like yeah, but you didn't need to actually lock the door. And that's true. You don't you do not need to actually lock the door. That sounds like a not a health code violation, but just not a smart safe move. You've no idea and I'm sure they needed a permit. They need an emergency exit. Yeah, it's a TV crew there should have been a paramedic on site and you know, some of the spooky stuff is pretty pretty standard for these movies. It starts really slow and the other window open very spooky and it's slowly ramps up sashes hair gets grabbed that looks really great job in her hair floats. Like that's a very spooky see we see that in everything now. It looks great. Yeah, and then there's a few other things. It's just really mild at But when it starts to really get cool and this was the best idea for this film. Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of scares happening and this kind of gets dampened. But what I love the absolute most is that time and space are fucked. Yeah, so it around 6 a.m. They are all waiting at home base, which is right by the exit door or the entrance door the main door to the building and the landlord is supposed to come at 6 a.m. And unlock the door and let them out because they're Done recording nights over. Yeah, six comes and goes seven comes and goes he hasn't come he hasn't unlocked the door and the sun doesn't come up and that is so cool. They are there in this building which doesn't exist in regular time such base because once they start to really get panicked and they they start getting lost they start getting confused. The sun's not coming up their watches are saying it's 1:00 in the afternoon when they finally break down the entrance door that they've been waiting for the lamb. To come let them in it just leads down to another hallway. It's such a good move. And so fucking smart. There is something that's even like that just is the exclamation point on that whole moment to when they first arrived to the facility the psychiatric Place spray painted on the front door is death awaits. They're like, oh so cheese. This is great. Right. There's like we can't use this it looks to staged. It's stupid and cheesy. Yeah, but when they break that door down, Pectin to go aside and finding a hallway. They're like what the fuck is going on when they look back at the door spray-painted. It says death awaits. So it maybe at one point was the outside but they are still locked in this like impossible Labyrinth of a psychiatric hospital. It's like House of leaves that was just gonna say that it is very heavy. Oh my God, if you guys have not read that book and you are looking for something to read. It's maybe not like the perfect summer book, but it is one of the greatest horror novels ever and it's honestly probably The closest thing to a found footage movie that you'll get in a book. It is the weirdest formatted book of all time. Yeah. It's got multiple perspectives. You're going to be rotating that book you're going to be reading different pages. It's almost like a Choose Your Own Adventure, but the adventure is people's eyebrows when they see you reading it on the bus also full descriptions of found footage in that whole book like there is there are entire sections of that book that are just writing the videotape that they found of a person who tried to explore the The Impossible depths of Of this this house of leaves. Oh man. Love it another great element to this plays into the impossible hallways and and such is when they their next strategy is okay. We don't know where the exit door is. So we're going to go to the roof the roof access and we'll take the fire escape down. Yeah, and they find the tower which somebody got pushed down the cameraman got pushed down at some point. Yeah, and then he's up in find that the cameraman gets a lot. He gets attacked a bunch. Yeah, and then he's just okay. Maybe it's just like an editor and he is he has had enough immediately. She is like ready to go. But when they get to the top of the the Tower or the stairwell, it's just bricked off. It's just a wall stairs to a wall like very Winchester House super spook. I love stuff like that. Well, they've split off though Houston the add the medium has sort of hung back. He's like forget it. Like when they first do like they do multiple explorations of this this building and they're terrified and he does not go with them for the next one. And if there's one rule it like in any haunted place tell him don't leave yourself alone. It doesn't matter if they do a lot of splitting out. I mean at first they're they're off recording and they're doing work and stuff. But once things once we've confirmed like shit's fucked don't be alone. Yeah, there's my cameraman. Matt is already gone Matt. The camera guy is already gone. Yeah, and they don't seem too concerned about him at first they do find him a little later. They remember how much they love Matt but for a while magic doesn't exist. They don't ask questions about the three of them Lance Preston the was C TC TC. And so Lance TC and Sacha are looking around for an escape. And at one point he goes. All right, you go down there me and sash are going to go this way. Like I don't think we should split up like just do it. Okay, like okay, then they go like that's that's it. That's the only explanation you get for splitting up and unfortunately because you need your jurors to split up and cover more ground. It seems like smarter thing. We need shit to go down. Yeah, unless you're Houston because he's just going to hang out and do nothing but then he gets like blown up. Yeah. It's a weird movie Ricky though. So he's stuck in the dark. Yeah, because he doesn't have any lighting and so he's bumbling around the hallway. And so we're in a almost like a bird's eye sort of camera. It's in the top corner like a like a security camera. Yeah, it's just wherever they've set up the camera for that hallway, and he gets like hung. Yeah, like they lifted and he's choking and his feet are dangling which looks cool. And then it's like he explodes. Yeah, there's an explosion electric launched across the the hall launched across the room. Yeah. These ghosts are angry. I think it's just all that kinetic energy colliding to throw them. I'll show you EMF. Yeah geiger counter this you son of a bitch but it seems like the ghosts are ready to like are really just fucking with these guys because at some point Sacha gets hello written on her back in. Scratches, that's a weird one and maybe it is just a ghost. Like you've come you want to talk to us like okay, we're here to talk to you and I think there's something about the ghost being like you called us and we've came okay, I see and it's they have nefarious intentions, but I think they are playing with them a little bit particularly with the bathtub scene with the blood. That's a really great little magic trick those ghosts too. But also like they they're slow. Losing their minds because the shit's just going crazier exhausted in there out of food. Yeah food has gone rotten. Yeah, but but the camera is evidence that this stuff is actually happening to them. Right? Like if I keep going back and watching the footage like you can see they've recorded this stuff. Well, even if it were a regular movie and we were just watching this stuff happen. You could say like his this is this just in their perspective, right? Are we just seeing things through their eyes, but found footage as a medium is an easy way to say this happened. Yeah, and I think that's that's what's really good about this. Genre, is that everything you see on camera is captured and is happening its physical. It's not metaphorical. It's not filmmaking. It's evidence and the fact that they wake up and they've all got mental that they've got all the nation bracelets on because like now they're admitted into the mental hospital. That is great. That's so and that's where they meet up with Madigan to right and he's just like, oh nuts and crazy like he's been locked in for years. That's got a bit of a Blair Witch Eerie make about it. Yeah. Been there longer than they have. Yeah, coz X elusive times weird. We don't know what's going on at some point that's see see that CCTV camera the the time code on. It just starts like flipping like nonsense. Like it's just random numbers all over the place. We are in the Bermuda Triangle of buildings. Yeah. We're in the heart of the Bermuda building. So the bathtub scene they go back in that room. They're running away from some other monsters who have some spooky mouth I situation. Yeah, I'll tell a little much for me on the scare front but you know, I'll take it looks good. Yeah, I you know whenever I see like a real physical monster. I'm always just like okay. All right, we're doing it. We're doing it we went there when they run into that bathtub room. The bathtub is filled with blood and Matt who is like almost catatonic at this point starts, like walking over to it and TC tries to grab him and is pulled into the bathtub. Blood and so 1 2 3 they hurl the tub over and the blood spills out and it's empty gone. That's a nice little trick. Yeah. I like that. It's super simple like you just do a cut somewhere and then the tubs doesn't have a person and it but it looks great cutting the commotion. Really. Yeah, I prefer stuff like that to the oh, there's something in the corner and he turns around and looks at us in his face stretches into a brother. What was the first time we saw that scare you were saying The Grudge right? I'm thinking that that's that originated with The Grudge. The little boy in the garage has a shrieky face. Yeah, I'm Gates. And then I said Edward what Edward Munch's scream? Yeah, that's exactly there's the original. Yeah, but yeah, the stretchy face scream is a is a common Trope. We don't see it too much anymore because it's a little overdone but it still shows up in like super any movies. Mmm. We do origin of evil had a big stretchy face scream. So I'm talking specifically like blacked-out eyes blacked out of my mouth. Mmm. I'm not talking just like like brain scan open the mouth. Yeah, but I eat. They're all relatives of each other because her eyes go white in her face stretches and possible that sure no no distant cousins. They're in the same family. They're in the same. Genome. What do you think of the hands? For a trailer super fucking cool. Oh, yeah reminds me of Day of the Dead. Yep, the the calendar seen that yeah. Yeah repulsion Roman polanski's repulsion the islands. Maybe got a little more in tone with the rest of the movie The hands are very big your huge like impossibly big which looks cool. I'm when they're running like it's it's very spooky. The cameras are really erratic. They're trying to run and there's just hands coming from the walls and the ceiling. I don't know if it makes sense for the ghost being mental. Or like crazed doctors but it almost seems kind of random like they had a they had a ton of really great ideas for doing a haunted house and they squeeze them all into this movie. Sure I think is my so what I loved I love time being weird. I love the impossible building. Yeah. I loved the food going rotten. Oh, yeah. That was cool. Yeah, but that that also plays into the time. Yes, they opened the cooler. It's only bags a few hours. Yeah rotted like the yeah. The blood tub and the exit entry door, but then everything after that felt like it was just like an extra spook agreed and it was just too many Spooks for me. Yeah, not that I don't want these moves. I want these movies to be slower and more drawn out but some of them felt a little random. Yeah. I mean like they were there all good ideas, but they maybe don't necessarily need to be there. He's just tell it's just a lot and you know, like we were talking about Rook of it. Keep what is the record we're talking about wreck being like a 78 minutes. This is like an hour and 30 hour and 38 could have been cut down. Maybe. Yeah, like if it was supposed to be an hour long TV show make it an hour-long TV show. I'm down with that. I mean I that would make sense though. Maybe it's just like why are we cutting the TV show after these people have died. Yeah. It's a little much that's disrespectful. But yeah, it's some point they end up in the basement tunnels. Yeah. They're in the basement tunnels. They're basically back in time at this point and eventually just becomes like Lance like Lance has left alone. And it seems really long though because Sacha gets really sick. She's barfing blood and he's like says she's not gonna make it. Yes. What and all for one bad man, like vampire Dracula fog comes and takes magic takes her away like the whole place covered in fog airs out. She's gone. Yeah like that spooky cool, but sort of random. Yeah, really weird. What if it's all in Lance's head? What if he it's like he's the kid. From The Twilight Zone and everything. He thinks can come can become possible and just because things like stash is gone and there. Yeah, and now boom - good you got it kid. I liked the food is wrong. He's like guess I gotta eat this rap. Oh fun fact, I was looking at quotes for this movie for the game that I was putting together which didn't work unfortunately, but I found one really cool thing at the end of this movie. It says no rats were eaten in the filming also like that typical that typical disclaimer at the end like all characters spare no resemblance to any living or and in this movie Undead people. Yes, good good clever. It's like when you do a PowerPoint presentation in grade 8 and you do your own credits and you put your name as everything. I producer director writer Sam. So sippy end of grade A of A+ grade me. So at some point in the tunnels he discovers this like see Grit medical room and that's where this film really starts to mirror wreck because we have an underbelly, we have a secret room with like papers and medical stuff and this is where a tannic rituals. Yeah, and this is where we find out that the the original doctor was pretty pretty Sinister. Oh, yeah. Yeah because we know that there was a record amount of lobotomies taking place at this building, but we don't necessarily know why I mean at the time Devil Wants brains Devil Wants brains. I mean like back then like We thought that oh, this is just what doctors did it back when bloodletting was a thing which no one does now really like they used to do lobotomies all the time. We don't really do we do lobotomies at all anymore. Is that is that like a worst-case scenario that I don't know if they called him lobotomies. They do do like they do some sort you have tumors and stuff. They'll take some of your brain and I guess it's technically a lobotomy. Isn't it kind you have to take it out of the frontal lobe for it to be a lobotomy. Well because I think that's what I would like a lobotomies to didn't they put a hook up your nose and like scramble your brains. Oh, they just like all willy-nilly did it. Sometimes they cut it open. I think it depended. Yeah, I guess they didn't really know much about brain stuff like kindest. Well Canada back in the 60s can't tell us vertel talk to her. I smell burnt toast. We've solved it this part of your brain is for your toast. This is your toast brain. Everyone's favorite brain. Wouldn't it be great though, really? Just press a button and be able to smell like poo breakfast like wouldn't that be nice? That's a seizure John. That's a small seizure. That's good. That's a real good point. That was the problem. She was having she was epileptic but we fixed it save the day. Hey Canada another trying to worship the devil. Another thing that the end of this movie reminded me of in the beginning when they were talking about the like origins of the hospital they do they do some footage into like these or this was the conditions of the hospital originally didn't look right the old timey footage just I looked a little kids. Actually from a documentary there is like a real one. Am I wrong did it look new to you? It look modern. I don't know there is well, they did the dog. They had the doctor on his operating table or whatever that looked a little hokey and they felt they definitely film that one because they reuse it again or not reuse it. But like we wind up in that scene we wind up at that operating table. We're just just out. So all the nurses are obviously in on this two writers are definitely evil as well because only a few steps away. Can you imagine the doctor trying? Convince them just like oh no we need the skull and the the skin Baobab book. Disregard the pentagram. It's not a are you a doctor? Did you spend 20 years and I didn't think so. This is required. And this must be sterilized every day. I will need you to clean this do not hurt the eye on my book. It Is Alive. It does look around talk to it. Put it to sleep then give it a quick rinse. What are they trying to do there? I guess all they were really no idea. Yeah, the dark arts something since whatever they did it made that play Super Duper Hannah. Maybe they wanted to make a permuted triangle. Maybe they just wanted to make that was it. They just didn't want to be they just didn't want to die. And so now they're continuing on as these like Spirits. You know, what they needed to sacrifice a number of brains to get there. The doctor seems like he's doing okay. I mean in terms of like if your goal is I don't want to die know what I would like more open mouth screaming, please. Yeah, I would like black eyes and open mouth screaming. What if okay. That was the caviar like hey. We can get with you can live forever you can this devil you can live forever. You gotta live forever. Yeah, you could perform as many surgeries as you want in my name, of course, but I will need to give you an open face cream like an open-faced sandwich. No, no it open face cream black eyes like mouth. It's great. Yeah, you've seen the movies right now. I will need 800 mentally ill brains. No boy forever and ever. Okay. So are there any scenes that we didn't talk about that you want to talk about? Yeah. I want to talk about a whole the false endings. It's it does end a bunch. It ends a lot. And I think the problem is that it you need to cut in order to cut back and go progress the story. Otherwise, you're just watching him walk. Mmm and watching him discover things. So, you know, unfortunately and maybe it's because so many found footage movies that came after this and even around the same time have really ambiguous endings, they all seem to end at weird points because it's supposed to be real So this is the moment where they stopped filming or where they drop the camera and it never really ends like a movie would it doesn't sort of Tidy things up into a nice little bow. Well, I think two part of the Allure with these is that a lot of found footage films have alternate endings and multiple endings so that when you get the DVD release, it's like with three unseen endings. Yeah. Well, unfortunately we saw three of those endings in this movie camera Cuts me like, oh, wow. Okay cool. And then we're back on like, okay. So I didn't digest there but I'm back just me things are looking a little grim and then we come back. Oh now we've got the doctor and the doctors performing surgeries in the doctors closing in on us and then open mouth face cream and and we cut cut away in a black but we're still not done. We still have time to like Zip back on one more time to be like lisp. Let's press this president had a lobotomy to we're not going to show it but my eye is dripping juices. So that's the thing we my field There's a hole in the head. Yeah. I wanted some Hannibal, you know eating the brain scene man. What's your rating of this movie? Uh hard to say because there's there's some stuff, you know, some disbelief stuff. The ghosts are a little too showy for me to bump though. Got a found footage pump and the impossible stuff is so sweet so lovely so up my alley. I'm gonna go to it for ya two or four. Yes movies got a lot of great ideas and unfortunately just like maybe a little too much. I'm also giving us a two out of four these kind of movies are really fun to watch though. I love watching fountains movies. I think thumb footage for me is disposable in the way that I think slasher films are you know, how you love slashers regardless of whether they're good or not exactly. What found footage is to me? Yeah. So wash watch electable washable. I can't I can't watch. To watch film footage back to back to back to back to back like I used to be able to like I can't watch a dozen of them in a row anymore, but I could probably still do that with slashers. I don't know like those are both so those shut those genres are both very formulaic. So I think no matter what you kind of get burned out a little bit regardless of which one you're watching because it's just like template template template template, but I think you guys should watch more found-footage movies. If you're not watching cam footage movies like, oh man, they are so good you rate this Yeah, I gave it to her. Okay, I couldn't remember. They're all such as very social. I I like watching found footage with people. Yeah, especially because they got the Spooks same as slasher. But that's just our opinion. Obviously. We think wreck is the better of these two movies. They're both great and found footage is still probably the best sub genre and horror I'm saying it next to the 90s slasher. Everyone's who doesn't love a whodunit. Let us know. Thoughts on both of these movies Grave Encounters and Rec over on Twitter at n ofs podcast on Instagram. No, fuck that in the Facebook fan club. That's at facebook.com slash group / horror films event ofs. And of course on Reddit in the Nightmare and film Street subreddit. Do you know what the URL is John? Yeah, but I mean I shouldn't have introduced it like that that a reddit.com slash are slash Nightmare On Film street. Thank you. We say it like Google or search bars. Don't exist ever. You know, we could do go to Facebook Google. They round film Street go to read it Google. It's Google it on Reddit. 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Alright horror fiends, it's found footage time. Set your cameras to shaky and brace yourselves for a bumpy ride. On this week's episode of Nightmare on Film Street we're celebrating two classics that perfectly capture everything wonderful about this polarizing subgenre. Join Kim and Jon as they press play on the frenzied madness of Jaume Balagueró & Paco Plaza's [REC] (2007) and the utterly eerie annals of The Vicious Brothers GRAVE ENCOUNTERS (2011). This week, Patreon supporters (https://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet) can enjoy an exclusive companion episode where we continue the conversation on [REC] and GRAVE ENCOUNTERS with a little game we're calling "Found Footage FTW”, available at http://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet. 