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We're doing great and we Have a great episode for you today. We actually just finished recording it with Nick cobley of the internationally touring reggae band pacifier. And we use that term reggae not lightly but only enough to let them play the reggae festivals right as you'll learn in this conversation mean what can I say every time we get someone in the reggae scene on this podcast, we say the same thing and because it's true we're learning time and time again and time it's time it's time it's time again. They're super nice people. They are the hardest workers ever. They're very determined and they were nice enough to be on our podcast. So please show Your Love The Pacifier check them out. They got a busy 2020 lined up as you'll learn in this episode check out all the new music they will be releasing and have already released and thank you again to Nick for for being a part of the show. Yeah and speaking of Music. We have a band. We love talking about it. I hope you guys love hearing about it because we're going to be talking about it every episode. It's called the stash and we're still making music. Music that is promo code th e stas h now I'm just getting I'm going to tell you to take them anymore code into Spotify and you'll get all of our music right there. It's incredible for a simple payment of whatever their monthly membership whatever you're paying for Spotify. You will still be paying that if you use the promo code the stash in the search bar where you search for songs, but not for real like that. That is what we're trying to do with our lives. So the fact that any of you listen is crazy and amazing. We appreciate it. And if you haven't checked it out yet. We'd be really thankful if he did. Yeah, and we appreciate you checking out at least this episode of our podcast. And if you'd like to check out upwards of 25 or more episodes of this podcast, this is the thirty first episode and for those listening. 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So so if you want to follow follow us on all the social medias for the bandits at the stash and why anywhere that matters and for the podcast it's at talking podcast. No G. No. Jeez here. No. Jeez here. This is Tacoma by Pacifier on talking podcast. Back on West Coast time baby. You don't have to wait for me. Me I was gonna call it a try. Anyway, the explanation that I owe you but we are. That is one thing we do before we start every episode is being take a quick sip. You're welcome to join us. You don't have to but we will be taking a quick sip. Yeah. I've been drinking coffee. So you've been so you've been so that's cool. Yeah. Yeah sweet so dude, thanks for thanks for being a part of this man. We're thrilled to have you on the show. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Look. To it. Yeah, so what's been new? You know, like we've had a lot of the reggae bands in your scene on the show so far. And first off I just got to say like you guys are the most welcoming and inviting seen that I've ever, you know, encountered we grew up in like the punk rock scene Andrew and I and you know, everyone super friendly until like your band starts falling off and then no one wants to hear from you anymore conversely your band starts doing better than everyone else's band and then they're like, oh well, whatever. I mean, they're not even good like they can't even play. Yeah, like yeah the amount of times I've heard come. Yeah. It's terrible man. Like the amount of times I grew up at shows and saw like the local band that was on the come-up preach community and and you know, like coming out and supporting every show that's happening and then the second they like sign or or do like their first real tour or whatever because because we're from Poughkeepsie New York, and so we've had a few bands come through like matchbook romance and Just Surrender and I'm not saying those guys like are the ones that have done that but like there's there's been a few smaller ones to and Second they get like their slightest grasp of like cool. This could become something. See you later. Drop my number. Yeah, but that is that though. It's I really want to know that because I feel I've always thought that like the most competitive genre seem to be rap because they were always just shit talking each other and being like I'm the greatest of all time or whatever and I'm like, okay that makes sense. It's all about you know that but it's like punk rock is all about like sticking it to the Man and it's like I'm not the man I could now I'm with you. I know I feel like most bands though. If they're in the situation where they can like quote-unquote sell out or whatever. They're going to do it regardless of how much shit they talked to some other o hundred percent. I mean, I mean, I guess I would I would do it. Yeah, but I would try to do it in a way where I would still like if I threw like a holiday show and I could have like a local opener play like I would do that. You know, I wouldn't just be like, right. Let's bring our friends from like Florida up because like they're badass and they'll sell an extra few tickets. Like if you already know the show is going to be sold out. Might as well try and throw a bone wherever you can and I just don't see much of that in the punk scene on the local level. Yeah, but reggae artists are just not only like super nice to everybody but they're always so welcoming the new artists. Like I feel like every artist we've talked to from the reggae scene has been like yeah, I like started doing music and in this band was like, hey, you're really awesome. You should just come on tour with us. And then I was like it was that easy. Yeah much is everybody is everybody has been really cool to everyone so far. I don't know what you the trip. Beat that too, but I don't know it feels like one big family. You know, the Layman would say it's the weed but weed is in all music genres. Very true. I mean, it doesn't hurt. No it simply doesn't hurt man. So like let's talk about we don't know much about the members of pacifier Andrew and I are obviously just you know fans of the genre. So of course we've stumbled upon you and the music. Yeah. Yeah and the music but like so so, where did you guys begin where? Pacifier first start I know that you and your brother are both in this band together holding down the Rhythm Section. So why don't you take us back, you know sort of paint the picture for us if you will. Um, we're based out of Savannah, Georgia and Ted and I met while we were both in college at the Savannah College of Art and Design and I was a year ahead of him. So I lived off campus. I had my own apartment and I had a drum set setup and then once Ted found out about that. That he was over there all the time and we were jamming and that's kind of how the band started and then he had he was in a sound design class. So he had some studio time booked for a project but he didn't really have anyone to record. So we went in there and did a few songs that he had written and then you know, we kind of flushed out and that was that was it that was the beginning of the band and that was 2003. Damn. So you guys sort of Met in college then. Yeah, and you all went to that school. No, just me and Ted. So we'll is our third bassist and Mike is our second keyboard player. So our first keyboard player Adam, he was in that initial recording session as well. Okay. So yeah. So basically, you know, we don't hear of at least you're the only reggae band I know of from Savannah, Georgia. Same so how does one stump I mean, you're not you're not entirely reggae right obviously like yeah, we're like barely reggae. Yeah. I just enough to be included in the festival's. Yeah tolerate us. You guys hit the Prague I think a little bit and like, you know, like you have like the you know the indie rock side, but like where does this combination come from out of Savannah Georgia, like like what were the influences and what is this something that like, yeah because felt in the room or because you guys definitely transcend a lot of genres, but it seems like there's always a East of sprinkle of Reggae and every song right and that's why I think I go there. Yeah when I exact tried to describe this to someone, you know, exactly. Yeah. I don't know that it was Savannah necessarily. I mean we were Ted and I were listening to like a lot of Like John Brown's Body and dispatch and 311 and Incubus and stuff like that. And then but also like we're listening to we we both kind of got into the police at that time and The Clash and I mean where we were already like big reggae fans to begin with but band the kind of like the bands that I just mentioned that kind of like take the reggae influence and then add it to you know, some harder rock is kind of what We are into but I would say mainly out of all those bands John Brown's Body was the most important because they were doing they were doing reggae and a whole new way that we had never heard before and it kind of kind of blew our minds. Okay. I'm actually not familiar with them. Yeah, I'm gonna have to check that out. Am I missing out are we missing out on something? I think so they're yeah, they're from they're based out of like Northeast like if a canoe York I think starting out they've had tons of members over the years but their album their one album in particular it's called spirits all around us that is like a really like futuristic kind of proggy dub take on reggae and that that definitely that album was a huge influence on Ted and I when we were starting a band I'm sold for sure. Yeah, dude, I love the whole like, you know the thing that Me the most about like the reggae scene and I guess like more specifically the American reggae scene and why I think I'm so drawn to it. Is it all starts with the upstroke? But then the way everyone builds something new around it is incredible. Just when you think you can't get another combination another Fusion style you do. Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because like Chris is like I definitely like reggae but Chris likes reggae more than I do for sure and he was always showing me reggae bands and reggae songs on Mike. Yeah, it's cool. Like it's reggae whatever. It's awesome. And then he played me I don't remember which song it was first from your album Vines and I was like, wait a minute. This isn't reggae. He's like, yes it is. I'm like, okay that I definitely fuck with reggae because this shit is sick like steam Rising problem. That should blew my mind. Thank you. Yeah, I mean that's again though. That's like barely reggae but for some reason we're able to kind of exists in that genre like Income I think our earlier stuff was was a lot a lot more reggae than it is now, but I don't know. We have a pretty good mix on every on every album. But yeah, I don't know. I'm thinking I'm really thankful that the scene is kind of embraced us even though we're you know, as I said were like barely in there. Well, actually actually, you know, we've been speaking about the seen a lot and I kind of want to talk about it more from like an outsider's perspective. So you guys I've been a band for like what roughly 15 years or so, you said yes 16 I think will be 17 and February. Okay, so so listening to other interviews and and like, you know, like how he's podcast and whatnot. When he has people on it kind of seems like At first this was a real gamble for all of you guys like like 10 15 years ago being in this scene right like correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like your Cali Roots and all those festivals weren't really here like 10 years ago, and it was sort of that very much so a scene trying to find It's footing and now to me it's crazy to see where it's where it's gone. You know, like what was that like being a part of this from I would say the ground the ground up would you agree? Yeah. I mean I haven't I've never really thought of it like that. I mean I always felt like the West Coast was pretty established. Like there was a lot of bands like us on the west coast and not hardly any at all on the East Coast. I don't know we never when we started the band. We didn't really think about about whether or not we're in a scene like we just kind of I don't know. We just wanted to make the music that I don't know we did we didn't think about it. Basically. Yeah. Yeah, I hear you. But as it as we grew and we kind of we kind of met other bands that sort of were doing a similar thing than week. It became aware of it. But yeah, I guess we work on a in on the ground floor. I don't know. I never really thought about it. But like I said the California thing was already happening and had been happening for a while and I feel like I don't know. We were we were accepted into that pretty easily. So I don't know. I don't remember your question now, but then I'm not that's right. The show's just called talking. That's all we're doing. It's called talking. I know it like see I would if I was to stay in the hardcore scene or whatever. It's still be there. If I got asked that question, I would think like wow, this is such like an interviewers question to ask because you don't think about it like that. That's a question though. Well, like, you know, like what was those what were those early days like it was just like try to play as many shows as we possibly could around Savannah at whatever bar would let us set up and then and then slowly, you know, we'd Branch out to neighboring towns like Statesboro. There's a college there and like we drive all the way to Columbus or Augusta or making or like st. Simons Island or whatever, you know it pretty much anywhere that would have us and and we were still in school. So we didn't get too serious about it. and then like 2006 we did our first East Coast tour with the movement. And we're kind of hooked after that. But yeah, the early days were just like House parties and bars and just Jam in for fun. And I don't know that any of us thought that we would be, you know doing it for a living at some point. Yeah. I mean, do you ever have like a pinch me moment? Yeah, something like that. I mean, yeah, we've had a lot of those moments. Definitely. I mean, I don't know the fact that anyone gives a shit about what we do or comes to see us. I mean kind of still blows my mind. But yeah, we found a lot of those moments when you get I don't know when you get noticed by bigger bands or whatever you could ask to open for people where you get to do a big Festival slot. You have you have those moments over and over again, like I'm sure for you and you said the 311 earlier you drop them and then doing the cruise, right? That must have been. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was that was real. I was obsessed with them in high school and never in a million years. Did I ever think that They we'd get to open for them, especially on a cruise ship on their Cruise or whatever. Yeah. Well that must be incredible man. I mean except if you hit some Rough Waters, but yeah, but I'm playing that out. Well enough. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But did we actually played a show in Statesboro? We kind of had a we had a similar trajectory. Which one was Statesboro The Birdhouse? Oh, yeah, so so before so we're like a pop rock band now. Before we did that it was sort of like me doing like a solo folk thing. And I mean, you know the deal everyone says that wasn't that wasn't the stash when you went to Statesboro it well. It was I don't know what we were that night because the the tour flyer said Christian Evancho and Company and then every night we were saying Christian Evancho and something else like some nights. It was like Christian fake on the stash. That was Christian Evancho in the satellites Christian Evancho in the Dirty Mike and the boys like, you know, so I don't know which one we were that night, but not a Officially the stash it was basically like, you know, like I was in this hardcore band had broken up and so I was like sad and whatever and I wanted to just like I was splitting time like with the screamer and I was the singer and I was like, you know what man, I just kind of want to sing the whole time. So yeah, the guy at the the acoustic the show with the acoustic guitar gets talked over all the time. So I was like fuck I need a band and I was like very scarred, you know, my band had broken up. I was in it for five years didn't want to play with anyone again. So they were just sort of like my live. To help me bring it to life and it was cool. It was like we were doing what you guys did exactly. This is why I thought of it on our breaks from college, you know, I was in a community college up by us and we had the one winter break and the one summer break and for like two years we did like two tours a year every and it was always with a punk band. It was always with the punk because that's how I still knew and we played in this this this living room. Yeah, we'll have some room so it was it was a frat house, but we pulled up and there's this huge frat house that first we pulled into this. Driveway there like the just a whole bunch of dude, Bros. Come on. We're late what you guys doing? Like we playing here and they're like nah, and then we look to our right and there's this really tiny house and a dude comes out. He's like it's over here and we're like oh and then it's like six guys living in this house. Each of them has a dog and they throw shows in her living room and it was honestly pretty sick, but I was just like, how does this like? How do you sustain this until at night? When oh, yeah deadline cockroaches came, then the flying cockroach has come out in droves. Those are palmetto bugs. Okay, we're getting learned people. They're still awful though. Don't I mean don't get me wrong. Did I couldn't take it man? Like I was sort of they're basically the same thing. Yeah Chris Chris in our guitars that to sleep in the van and me and our drummer braved the inside of the house with one of the dogs. Oh my God. It was too much to like, I don't know how you guys handled but the show was amazing. We that I mean we did exactly what you're describing for years. Just staying and weird. People's houses and with you know dogs and pet hair everywhere and then roommates that weren't aware that a band would be staying in like just bad bad sketchy places. Yeah, or like you're like, hey man is a cool. We stay at your house. He's like, yeah man, it's cool. I got room for like five people and you get there and like what he means is like, yeah, the couch, you know is got room for one and then there's like definitely ample floor space. Okay? Yeah, it's always plenty of for space. So let me out. There's never five beds. I mean look the we're still in this part. It's fun. And you know, we're making the best of it. We haven't toured in a while because we're just sort of like trying to gather our resources and whatnot. But when does that like not that I'm not having fun and I don't want to sound like to anyone listening who's like Duty so not a punk rock anymore. But like when does that stop? You know what I mean? Because it is kind of it gets all of my back can only take so many hardwood floors and I'm saying I don't know I mean Actually, eventually you'll get so fed up with it. You're just like you'll reach a Breaking Point and then you'll start like springing for hotels. So it sounds like you're not quite there yet. But now we're far from it happen kind of sounds like it sounds like that's like a blessing and a curse. I mean your there's there will be a point where you're just gonna fucking lose it if you have to stay on one more floor, whatever that point. I will book a hotel room for us right now. We do like the whole one hotel at or thing when we just when we really need like that that peace of mind and it's like okay everyone woke up a little cranky today and there was no reason for it last night was good. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily. We've pretty much only done the East Coast so we know enough people now that we at least 90% of the time have like a solid place we can at least drive an hour due to sleep. Yeah, we did that forever, but we kind of but after a while we kind of felt like we might be wearing out our welcome, you know, and so and we wanted to be able to stay with those people again at some point if if need be so we started to phase it out. But but yeah, I mean do that as long as you can it's key very true. We're trying to trust me. So do you like, you know, like a lot of our friends who listen are sort of like Andrew and I Spears who aspire to hopefully They being a place that like you bands like you and Bailey who are at, you know, like doing the thing and having the wheels turning so like is there anything that you maybe ever think about what you're like damn if I could tell like any Young artist right. Now what I've learned in like 16 almost 17 years of being in the same band like I'd really want to tell them this. Oh, man, there's a lot there's a lot of stuff. I mean, I feel like pacifier. We learned all the lessons the hard way, you know. I don't know. There's so many things like if you're ever in a management situation and you're like having second thoughts about whether or not this person is doing a good job at any point get rid of them. Like don't don't wait. I'm not saying this happened to us, but like, you know don't like trust your gut when it comes to people. Your team, you know, like if you're ever having any any doubts or second thoughts about is this person really doing as much as they could possibly be doing for us then get rid of them and find somebody else. Yeah that that would be one thing. I feel like I just brought the mood down big time. No. No, that's not that's honestly really good. That's kind of reminds me of remember what interview was but someone asked Taylor Swift like if you could tell young Taylor Swift one thing, what would it be and she said get a good lawyer? I'm like, yeah, that's That's why those real things that like, yeah, it's like one of those things that's like that's like the real advice that you don't really know about until it happens. And it's like one of the things were like listen man. I don't want to tell you that your manager is not doing a good job. But like if you feel like he's not doing a good job. They need might not be doing a good job. Yeah, but the problem is and I say that because you won't you won't know until it's like years later and you're like, you know, what the fuck have we been doing this whole time? And you're like, oh this is what a good manager does. Yeah, not that any manager is bad but like and because and you know, you think you ever you and everyone on your team thinks that they're doing everything that can be done. So you're like, you know, you're fine with it and it's not till much later on you realize that. Oh, that's definitely not the case. And you had your you had your doubts but you just kind of you know squash them but you should have listened to it. Mmm. Yeah, that's damn Thang that mean I just want to say thank you for that. That's that's like because I I, you know, I've been reading a lot of like books and I listen to a lot of interviews trying to you know, soak up the knowledge man, like even though I'm not in school anymore. Like I love the student mindset and it's very rare that you get something that direct and that straightforward. Yeah. I'm trying to think of something else but Well on the flip side of that like do you think do you think and have you seen a lot of people who maybe jump to getting a management and management or an agent too soon like the fear of not having representation. Do you think that that is a real thing and like if so, is that something that like you guys maybe struggle with or how has that been like observing that I've definitely? The booking agent too soon. The problem with getting a booking agent is like I don't know by the time you're able to get get one. You don't you don't need one, you know, because you will have booked all your own shows. You've booked all your own tours. You've made all your own contacts and you can you know, you can book tours on your own. It's only it's only then that agencies will even bother looking at you. So, you know, there's like a catch-22 there. So yeah scene. Of bands tried to get booking agents like way before they've had any History built up, you know, like agents kind of want to see that you have done the work yourself, you know Mmm Yeah, because why else would they want to try and get you that opening spot? If you're not worth even like five tickets let alone like probably 200 or 150 that you'd need to bring to them. Yeah, exactly. You know it's there like why are we going to have you on the show? You've never even been to this town type deal true. Damn, you know, well, hey, so I guess being a we did all this stuff by the way, you know, right? Yeah. You said that pacifier learned it the hard way. Yeah everything now with that being said was there ever a time where you guys were like, you know what this is pretty hard maybe being a band isn't the right career path. Like was there any ever any like Outs for this being like the main focus or is it always just like well this sucks but we're going to keep going. I mean there's there's been a lot of tough times. We always said like we would stop when things kind of plateaued out or whatever. But I mean we like not this I guess it was last year. We kind of took off the road just because we were completely fried and we kind of needed a reset and during that time, you know, I was definitely kind of Worried about like was this the right thing to do or are like should we be taking a break because of all the momentum will lose and everything. But yeah to answer your question. Yeah, there's a lot of those moments but then you play a good show and you'll forget about all of it. Right and I wanted to ask you about that because it seemed like you guys sort of took that that break only like and correct me if my timelines wrong but like what only 10 months after the album had just dropped Yeah, I guess it was I never really thought about it like that. Yeah, we did but we also felt like whatever the album was going to do. Like, you know, it did it like we kind of felt like it. I don't know like it it reached its peak. And yeah, so that was all you know, that was also kind of a disappointing thing. Yeah, but I don't know we thought Longshot would. It didn't do bad at all. Don't get me wrong. But like we thought it would we thought it would do more, you know, so when it didn't really live up to our expectations, you know, I think that definitely You know that definitely factored into our decision now, I can't I can't speak to it obviously from an internal perspective. But as a listener me right I come from more like the melody driven pop side. And like I said earlier, I think your band very much so has like two sides to it. And so for me, I really enjoyed the dip more into like the pop song structure and obviously you still had like the heavy guitar and all that that you normally have but so for me, I really enjoyed that but did you sort of feel that maybe like it was a bit of like a weirder reception from the fans? Is this like a personal sort of viewing of it where you're saying? It didn't do as much as you had wanted it to do. I think it was more personal. I mean, I feel like our fans love that album and I do and we do too. But yeah, personally, I think I don't know. I don't want to I'm not trying to shit on that record at all. Like I think just personally we were just totally burnt. So yeah, well, you know I think half and I think the fans loved it though. I mean, it's a great album. Yeah find my way Rapunzel. You can't go wrong if that is true the more pop side again, but like, you know, hey, man, I am not going to apologize for what I like. All right. No. No I said yeah, that's what I like pop music and I like pacifier. All right, I'll die on that Hill. Wow. Alright, thank you. I appreciate it. Well, we've been talking about pacifier a lot. But the rest of the guys Here, so let's talk about you a little bit. I know that you do other stuff besides play drums in this band because you said you went to a school of music and art so let's talk about the art. Yeah, it was mainly art school, but I went to school for illustration. So whenever I'm not on the road, I do, you know, a lot of freelance illustration work and design work was that like what you wanted to do before pacifier started like you weren't thinking of being in a band you're like, yeah, I could definitely just be an artist for a living. Yeah for sure. Sure. Yeah, that's what I wanted to do. I want to do you know Commercial Art and do like editorial stuff. But once I got in a band and I saw that, you know, like we needed certain designs and flyers and album covers and then you know, all of our a lot of our friends needed that stuff to I kind of geared myself towards that so have you done all of pacifiers artwork stuff. I've done some I've done a couple of the covers and I've done A handful emergency designs over the years and some posters but no not all of them. Okay. And is this like a do you have a website or something that's people just contact you or it's just kind of word of mouth. Like people are like someone's like oh, yeah, Nick did this and then people are like, oh sick. Can you tell him that I want this done? And then you just do it. Yeah exactly. I've website Nick Oobleck.com and then people find me on Instagram as well. But and then, you know just Word of Mouth. Well, there you go through all the bands. Yeah. Hey people listening. This guy makes art and if you need art this guy can make you work. Well, I gotta hang up. I gotta I gotta ask you this man. How do you go from like, you know, from what what point do you start illustrating? And then at what point in your life, do you start playing drums? Like I'm just I want to get the timeline here, you know, I kind of started playing drums when I was probably 15 or so. And then I mean, I always like I always liked making art and that's kind of what I excelled in in school and I always knew I kind of wanted to do something art-related and then drums was just something I did for fun and playing, you know, playing in the bands in school and stuff. But yeah going into college like art was definitely my main focus and I didn't think that I would you know be in a band or anything. Wow, that's cool. I mean, how did you feel about because like I did creative college but selfishly in the back of my head. I was like, I'm literally just here to appease the parents who are letting me live ran three until until the band takes off and does something, you know, but I never went into school for the right reason. So what was that like like going into Creative school for the right reason because there's obviously a lot of backlash against it people you'll hear like this is from your uncle at Thanksgiving right? This isn't a real degree and all that stuff, you know the hypotheticals but it happens so it does luckily I had you know, luckily I've really supportive parents and they were all about it. So, you know and also it was like you're probably not going to get into a regular college. So maybe you should think about well, you gotta love the Tough love right? Yeah. Well, I mean I would imagine that they're really supportive since both of their sons are in the same reggae band, you know, well quote-unquote reggae. Yeah, they were surprisingly cool about us, you know, basically plucking will right after high school to be in the band, you know, we had to ask my parents permission to ask him to join the band and they you know, they were hesitant at first but they let it happen and the rest is history. How do they feel about it now? Do they come out to the shows and ya know they're they're they're good with it. That's cool. Yeah, they're happy now was he like into music and into all that stuff before joining the band hurry. Was it kind of like yo, we like you pick up this base and learn it so we can we can play music together because I've definitely classic make you make your best friend play bass just because they're your friend. Yeah exactly happens in a lot of bands and happened in our band having attended another bands. You know, I'm sure yeah, he wasn't he was he was definitely way. In the music, but he wasn't necessarily bass player, but that happens so all yeah you would he was into it though. Luckily. It's so weird because like base is honestly a really cool instrument, but I guess it's like it's not very appealing to kids. Yeah gets. Yeah. It's like all all the kids just want to play guitar piano or if they have birthday of add then they want to play drums. You know, that was why I did it like I need to burn some energy and my dad's like you could take drum lessons on like great. That sounds dope. Yeah now that I think about it. I don't know too many base. It's like started solely on base, you know, I know a lot of them in like our local like jazz school. That's like, you know, that's like the right. Yeah, exactly. That's like the only ones I know the rest of them are like, oh man. I joined the band like laughs so I guess I get like atar. Yeah mine was like I think in my joints the band last yeah, you are the best player. I feel like I think the first instrument besides, you know, like my baby drop when I was like one, I think I Took bass lessons when I was like nine, but then the guy who was teaching me base, like took a trip to China for an undisclosed amount of time. So I stopped taking bass lessons and then I just didn't care and then I played I was forced to play violin in middle school and I was like, why are you making me play this I want to play clarinet and then I just started playing drums and I started playing drums. And then Chris was like hey, you said you play bass right? I was like, yeah, you did say though. It's like, yeah. I've I've played the bass and he's like Alright, you should join my band. And I'm like, it's not a good idea. But okay the funniest shit was before Andrew actually, like when we were just my name and they were just the Live members. I shot a video and Andrew was one of the only guys that's in the stash right now who was in that video, but all we used to work at the same job. We used to work at Lowe's together and my dad also worked there. He got us the job and so all those people would come up to Andrew on the clock and be like, dude. You're such a good bass player because they did not realize that you just like Mom over them. Yeah, I learned and I learned the notes maybe two minutes before we started filming and my base was not plugged in know and everyone was like man, you really killed that. I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty till you make it. I'm pretty good at dancing. I guess true sent you definitely fake it till you make it so we have like a little bit of time left. We got like quite a bit of fan questions. I think if you're if you're up to answering some stuff, yeah for sure. I was wondering if you got any or not look like those posts. No one responded. But I guess yeah directly. Yeah. Yeah, they're all behind the curtain I guess. Yeah, it's definitely a nice little handful. We appreciate the effort man. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, of course. Let's see. This first one is from Trisha K. And she says now that you have a baby congrats and Ted is married. Where do you see the band in the future slowing down or same type of tour schedules that you've had? First first of all congrats on the baby. Yeah. Can I thank you. Appreciate it. I don't think will slow down. I think I think we might we'll probably tore a little bit less than we have in the past at least, you know, at least for a little while, you know, especially while my daughter is, you know, brand-new and like, you know less than a year old, you know, I don't I don't want to put like a definite definite time on it, but we'll yeah, we'll probably scale scale back the shows a little bit but I mean, we're not going to slow down. We're we have a bunch of new music that we want to put out. I don't know. It's full steam ahead. I mean, I mean it's steamed rice, but it seemed exactly but at the same time, you know, I don't I don't see us doing like, you know a two-month long tour anytime soon. I like when we were when we were taking our time off that last year, you know, we still did a handful of shows here and there so I think it'll be I think it'll be similar to that but can't cable j keep you guys away too long. Yeah, we'll do more shows than that, but I think starting out while we ease into this while I'm like, you know, figuring out fatherhood and what that's going to be like will probably take it a little bit easy. Word. Yeah rock on. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. All right. This one is a little less serious of a question, but I'm still going to ask it Alexandria Hickman asks. Hey, Nick if pacifier were a candy bar. Which one would it be and why it's a good question. That's a good question. It's a real thought provoker. Hmm. I don't know. I'm just going to say Snickers because that's my favorite candy bar. And I guess you know all the wonderful elements that make up Snickers bars. That could be that could be the four of us. I mean Snickers satisfies exactly. Yeah, that's a really smart answer to go. I'm gonna go with that. That's a good one. That's a good one. All right, Instagram user Hallelujah 21 has two questions. First what I think her name's Holly to Holly. Yeah. That's yeah good. Good memory Chris. I figured you know, that's why when I say that would you spend a year as a Cher impersonator for 1 million dollars? It's a good question that it that's the quick. That's the first question. Yeah, I'm serious method acting I mean, I don't I don't know but I also like I don't think that means that your share for an entire year think it's just like, you know, you're the impersonator. So like you go to gigs and like be share for like an hour or two. I'm taking that as you live breathe and eat. Yeah, yeah, that's no that's like do you want to pretend to be shared for a year Cher? Impersonator is a job. I like the openness in person. I mean you just had a baby. I mean do it for her, right? Yeah. I don't know. All you need to know is that they are all hits you're going to live forever man. True true. Yeah. All right, and the second question? Yeah, I guess I don't know I get I feel like you'd have to that's a lot of Yeah, it's not that hard of a job like you would have for a million dollars. You know, it can't be that hard. Yeah not do some shit not to diss any share impersonators. I'm sure y'all kill it but just saying, you know, there's not a lot of things on the list and need to do it. Probably is this probably a Reddit wall to be good at it. I'm sure it's really hard but just to accomplish it it's not that different. Yeah, definitely not in a position to turn down a million dollars though and the second question if you were a wrestling Duo. Go with Will. What would your signature Duo move be? This would be a better. This would be a better question for will because he was like he was way into wrestling back in the day. Well, maybe you should call he's actually at my house right now. But I mean if you want to hurt you good Tech I could technically ask him. It's up to you. But if you think you could answer it, it's you know, it's all in good fun. I mean you could just make up a move right now. He could hit someone in the head to he can hit someone in the head with a base and then you could just cover them with a bass drum, you know. Call it the Base to Base. Yeah base base to the face and then they land inside of a giant drum. I don't know. It's I mean listen, I would watch the shit out of that wrestling match some kind of tag team like clothesline situation. If I don't know, I don't know any wrestling moves. I'd have to think about that. We'll just do a tag team clothesline into a bass drum that has a bass guitar in it. Yeah, the thing is there's only like one tag team match like a whole three hour WWE event. So you don't really get many of like yeah, and I and my memories to watch and I feel like there's not that many like signature Duo moves where it's like these two guys always do this move. It's like each guy has their own thing. So as someone who used to be super into it, I think like the base to the base thing is that that's not bad. That's kind of cool because in my brain in this is just misses. This is me spitballing feel like it would be like will would be a wrestler and he does the bass guitar. Its own and you're a wrestler and you do the base from thing on your own and then you guys come together and you put them together in the fans are like, yeah. They're doing the base in the doing the doing they're doing both base things. I don't know. I think I think that would work. That would be a pretty high demand Pay-Per-View event. Hmm. That's just me now. I only have a picture of this question. So I don't remember who what his real name is but it's brass Squatch from Oh Derek from Tropi delic ask Sarah. Yes. So he asked a few questions. I guess we'll start with like we'll start with the more serious one and he sort of they deteriorate as we go along and I like is the rails I like his So I guess what's your favorite song to play live? probably submersible Yeah, I just loved playing that song Live the big like I don't know the instrumental part at the end where we all go nuts and there's a lot of crazy stuff happening on the drums. Like I think about it a lot like every time we do it. I'm like, I don't know. I just I fucking love this like this song is great. Love playing it got to go back and listen to the live version of that one that happens almost every time nice so I would say Merciful, then you can play on that one for a while too. So that's that's yeah first firing here. Hell yeah, man. Yeah, I haven't got tired of it yet. The next question. He asks is and would you rather make out with Ellen DeGeneres or Oprah Winfrey now don't answer too quickly. This is an important question. That's a tough one. I mean there's a lot to think about there's a lot to unpack here. He didn't say you had to give your reasons why but if yeah, there's no one. Yeah, there's no need to elaborate. You don't have to make out with them forever. It's probably just once I mean, I guess I don't know Oprah, I guess. Okay Island probably wouldn't be into it. You know, that's a she's that's what I thought. That's what I thought when I read it. I was like Ellen doesn't wouldn't even really want to be there. So I really thought well, I just immediately thought not Ellen. If that makes sense, you're definitely a good sport for answer that right questions, by the way. Oh good. I'm glad he's right, you know, no no listen, you know, I picked Oprah like I don't know man. I thought that wrestling move was pretty sick and I didn't even really come up with it though. Yeah, but you're the one doing it who cares true. Yeah. It's you know, it's like you're the one delivering the lines. So the last one. One that he asks is would you rather wear a fedora hat every moment for the rest of your life or lose all ability to use correct grammar and spelling you remain intelligent enough to know you sound stupid just no ability to rectify it word for word. He really felt that question through. Yeah wear a fedora every moment for the rest of your life. You can never take it off or you always sound like you don't know how to talk. But you know in your brain. You're speaking incorrectly. Yeah, you just can't fix it sounds terrifying. So it's basically either look kind of dumb all the time or sound kind of dumb all the time. I don't want to wear a fedora. So I guess I would just go with sounding kind of dumb all the time. Well Chris and I had sound kind of done a lot of the time so it's not that big deal. Yeah. I picked I picked the I picked up sounding dumb all the time too. Because I said what am I good Charlotte on our comeback tour? I'm not trying to do that. I picked the Fedora though because like you know it like the fedoras not it has a bad rap but like Bruno Mars where his Fedora so like you can definitely pull a fedora off and you can you I don't know if I can I don't know what I want. But I try now this was not an official question. This isn't really a question but refunds and take was a last guest and crafting are talking podcast Universe. Yeah, but how how we come It on your post and said whoo-hoo. Tell them about your price Albert. We don't know what that mean. I'm assuming he met Prince Albert. But yeah, I'm assuming that's what he meant to I don't have one of those but yeah, I would tell everyone about it. What is that? I've never I'm pretty sure it's a dick piercing. Oh and I feel like you got us good. Oh man feel like if you're that type of person you would probably tell Everyone about it and you probably were yeah. Yeah. Well the only comment there's one comment from base babe 311 that's just three skulls. So maybe she knows something. We don't know and then these three skulls means I don't know but we we commented we come in and said we'll do and then how we responded with a laughing face. So maybe he got his good. He gotta get well played. Yeah. Yeah mean. Yeah, I don't have one. But if I did, I don't know that I would I don't know. Maybe you wouldn't. You wouldn't tell anyone about it. I don't know. I don't know. I'm I obviously for the record I won't be giving out any names. I do know someone who has one of those and it's not something he openly brags about but he has mentioned it to me. My mom was a big time. I don't know. I don't think he regrets it because I feel like he would take it out but he's just like yeah, I mean, it's there. I'm like, whatever bro that's fucking gross. I'm not really enjoying the separates episode until she wasn't yeah. Sorry. Dad, but so we actually have a set question. We like to ask all guests on the show before we let you go here and you've been a great sport. Thank you for being a part of the show man and for taking some time of course for taking some time out today to chat with us. If you had to describe yourself in one word, and then you can elaborate on this later as like a creative and artists like an entrepreneur like what's the first word that comes to mind that stuff one word to describe. myself creatively Oh, man, I don't know. Determined I guess I don't know. Okay, I feel like I'm always striving to I'm always trying to push myself and like whenever I look back on our that I did a while ago. I'm like that's fucking terrible and I just want to get better. So I basically just want to get better at are all the time. So, I don't know what word you would use. To convey that but I would say practice or Improvement. Maybe I think the term yeah the term and I mean determination is yes. Yeah positive. Hell. Yeah, dude. Well, so before we let you go. We just wanted to you know ask you about the new song you guys just dropped especially since we're going to be playing it at the end of this episode. Oh perfect. Yeah. It's called keeping on it's the first song that we recorded just all on our own Ted's house and his new studio setup and I don't know. It's my favorite song that we've done honestly, I think I mean, I'm really I'm really proud of it. Yeah, honestly, I think it's my favorite too. Yeah, it is gonna be like, thank you. I don't know. I feel like it encompasses everything, you know everything there were about and Yeah, I'm just really proud of it that we you know, did it completely independently on her own and we didn't have to go to like a major Studio to do it and that that feels really good. I mean, I'm I'm definitely not like in a completely shocked way, but I'm surprised to hear that you guys did it at Ted's house all by herself because it sounds like better arguably than like any of the other recordings that I've heard and guys it's really good. Wow - yeah, I think so too and I mean like Little intead of gotten really good at their knowledge of engineering and recording and they spent a lot of time on it and I'm thankful for that. They know how to do all that stuff because I don't know anything about that. Yeah that I'm I'm in the same boat as you. Yeah, I don't know anything about Mike's or recording or Pro Tools or any of that shit. So well, Nick man, so so basically here's like, I mean, I'm gonna go off on this tangent. I don't want to keep you too long. I'll wrap it up soon. Like the thing about not just the music. Is it about the reggae scene? That inspires me? Right? Like we tried we have a song called how to live. It's got like a slight undertone and we may revisit that it was a little you know, it doesn't come as natural naturally as me to write but like the thing that life is also a lost ska song. We released somewhere out there on the internet is true. But like the thing that bring that back well said if we open for you will definitely play it but Like no, but seriously like the thing about you're seeing that I think really resonates with me and makes the music even stronger to me as a listener is like just the hard work that you guys all put in is so inspiring man. Like if you take a look at like how he like a past guest to the show, you know, he just released recorded his own EP. He's doing a solo tour on top of all that he doesn't Ballyhoo you are constantly writing and creating with your your own illustrations and graphic design work as well as like being in a full-time band and having a baby most part you guys Really are doing it all yourself. Like there isn't really a label backing the majority of you you're seeing you know, it's like obviously you have like team members but it really is all in house and I just want to like let anyone listening like who because you know, people sometimes here reggae and they're instantly like hmm. Maybe not my thing but there's more to it especially if you're a musician because this it's like some of the most hardworking and inspiring conversations. I think we've had on the show and things that I've learned just like being a fan so, you know, like thank you for like being so open and honest on this chat and just like We're just continuing the grind because like that is so impressive that you guys recorded this all yourself. It sounds phenomenal and the sky's the limit if you just put your mind to it as what I'm getting from this to this conversation, you know, yeah for sure. I mean any I don't know anybody can do it like it just it's a lot of fucking hard work. It's an incredible amount of work. But I mean you mentioned how he's a perfect example, like nobody works harder than that, dude. Yeah. I forgot what I was going to say, but hard work pays off. Off hard work pays off it can be done for sure. Hell yeah, dude. And with that being said will let you go. Thank you again for your time expect to see Pacifier on the road in 2020. Is there going to be more new music on the way that people can get ready for? Yeah, we'll be putting out another single in the next month or two. And yeah, we've got don't know we've got three or four songs in various stages of getting them ready to go and they'll Out in the next you know in the first part of 2020. So yeah, and then hopefully we find some time to record a new album sweet and real quick. Where can everyone find you and the band on the internet and everywhere that matters. My website is Nick oubli.com and pacifiers is pacifier.com. And then of course, we're on Instagram and Facebook and all that cool. Hell yeah, man, we'll have a great holiday season to you and your family and you know, thank you again so much for being a part of our show did it was great to chat with you. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's great for Sherman. Have a good one dude. You too. Dream of a heartbeat. There's only one way to the bottom of the ocean. Can I stall around with the fish won't say where they keep it potion. You can try and dig it out, but it's true the Sun. Today all the solutions about it and to it on with one way. But there's only one. You could buy more stock certificate Burlingame opportunity knocks and calling my name.
Welcome to the 31st episode of "Talkin' with Andrew and Chris". We are very happy to introduce you to today's guest Nick Kubley, of the band "Passafire"! Passafire’s latest single, Keepin' On, serves as a mission statement for the veteran rock-reggae outfit as they continue to forge ahead through their second decade of reimagining the boundaries of the current rock-reggae landscape. Since forming in 2003, Passafire has released a total of six studio albums and boasts credits like producing with Paul Leary (Sublime, Pepper, U2, Slightly Stoopid), #1 albums on both the Billboard and iTunes Reggae charts, and sharing stages with rock-reggae OGs 311, Pepper, Toots & the Maytals, The Wailers, and John Brown’s Body, who in the band’s early years, inspired them to explore reggae with a gritty edge. “We like to mix tight, clean reggae grooves with distorted guitar riffs” insisted Ted, “We’re ‘90s kids,” added Will, “we love rock, hip-hop and metal equally. It was always natural for us to straddle the line between genres.”    Keep up to date with Passafire: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/passafire Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/passafire/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Passafire    Listen to Passafire: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3Il8w8T0de4sdogo2EQEVJ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/passafire/192586566 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx0bKWnr8kK31dxl3ABR9hQ    Keep up to date with Andrew and Chris: Instagram: Andrew: https://www.instagram.com/not_awgyomai/ Chris: https://www.instagram.com/christianevanko/ Twitter: Andrew: https://twitter.com/awgyomai Chris: https://twitter.com/ChristianEvanko    Follow Andrew and Chris's band "The Stash": Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheStashNY/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheStashNY Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thestashny/    Listen to Andrew and Chris's band "The Stash": Spotify:  shorturl.at/izGU5 Apple Music: shorturl.at/chEFL iTunes: shorturl.at/cdqO2 YouTube: shorturl.at/szEGJ Google Play: shorturl.at/oAGL2 Amazon Music: shorturl.at/jFLO1 SoundCloud: shorturl.at/gnrH4    Subscribe to "Talkin' with Andrew and Chris" Podcast: Apple | Spotify | Google Play | YouTube | SoundCloud As always, "Stay Sweet!" 