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Yeah, we as you probably all very well know this episode is probably one week later than it should have been we had our annual deficit. Yeah right around you will episode we should have released last week we're looking for Or don't you but we had some stuff that we were dealing with. We had a wildfire that came in actually when we were recording our annual episode on the Sunday and it was it was a week-long effort. We had how many was it robbed? It was over 200 firefighters 37 pieces of equipment with engines and that was Pumpers as well as I'm not sure I Exact numbers. I think it was about a hundred and sixty a hundred and eighty forestry firefighters. That number probably doesn't include outside communities sending departments as well. So I think we had 36 or 39 other communities send additional resources as requested by our our Forestry Department. And yeah, they sent bumpers or tenders or bush trucks and helped with any structural. Detection not that there was a lot but there was a potential for it luck attention was huge. Yeah, let that was the scary luckily winds and things changed and push the fire kind of back that direction it came and yeah, some of the most of those must have most of those structural guys have been sent back to their communities. And yeah, we appreciate them coming out. Yeah, we had a whole bunch of guys that came from from good distances to come and help and help support community and make sure that everything was good. But by the time I think we approached our last post on it was around 3,000 hectares. So it went from 50 ish on the day that we were in front of it that that young evening and grew to three thousand in just about a week crazy crazy. Insane speed it grew I luckily like Rob said some of the Winds changed and with the help of a lot of different Crews, especially BC wildfire. We are not like five helicopters in the whole bunch of other stuff. I think we more than five. Helico. Yeah. Anyway, well helicopters and they had four of the Fire Boss the skimmer planes those were flying in the air those things kind of look small but seeing him at the airport here in a town extra. They're actually pretty pretty big pretty cool looking and I was going to mention for those of our American listeners that don't use hectares because I think they use Acres down there that works out to about 7400 Acres so Jesus so even just to convert it for them. But but yeah lots of heavy equipment. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they had a whole bunch of heavy equipment as well. Right, but you know what we were on the other side of it now winds changed rain came today and a little bit yesterday. We just some dry lightning initially, but that did and I did actually not cause any any spot fires that we not let me know. Of or maybe it just struck the already singed Earth. But with the big worry was over the past weekend was that we also had a storm front Rolling In which was going to bring high winds which was going to blow back towards the structures that would initially in danger and we were worried about Amber storms, but luckily that did not occur and yeah all the boys and boys and girls were all over it and made it happen and Now like Rob said most of them are gone home. So it's good. We're thankfully to because we had like a couple of 40 degree weather days here. And I mean those guys worked hard for those temperatures and yeah, I my hats off to them for sure. Yeah. We had a five hour 6 hours tint the one day we got a call came in. There's a large Bluff and there was fire up on the top of the Off with small little shelves on the way down and then heavily timbered area at the base of it, which then has high high density structures mixed in with this Timber and half burnt trees were falling down this Bluff and spreading to the bottom. So we were getting calls like crazy out to the north of us. So we were out there and then a little bit further south the same fire the same area one of our members actually has a house and it had jumped over a guard or whatever that that was late and was moving towards the house and we got a call that this was happening. So we as a department respond to backup Forestry at this point and it was the a 40-degree day. We were there to hold the line. So it doesn't Jump The Next Guard and walking back back and forth and dealing with that with what with those forestry firefighters was Next Level, I mean Actually, they have a couple of sprinkler systems working and I would find myself chatting with one of the people back back and forth because there is a nice Frank were there so perks Perks of Being me that day I guess but it was hot. It was super hot and people were working hard. I mean the stakes were huge if it broke that guard he was ripping towards a lot. So I think stressful hot definitely hot. It's off to those men and women. I think one of our big saving things there at least for us and for forestry was there was that dirt road there to act as a guard on one of our patrols that night Kevin and I went for a drive down down that road to the lake that's back there and you can see trees that they'd cut and peeled back to make sure that there was no Tall Timber or anything that could cause that feather to jump, but it's I am seeing all of that. It was really interesting because I was on one of the Pumpers that went in there and initially we had pulled out some of her inch-and-a-half preconnect and then we got some forestry hose on and some of the water thief's and the Econoline hooked up and man was that such an easy job with that stuff. I mean, I don't know why we haven't been doing that for more years already with that type of stuff is really impressive structure. So far, we like you're chasing the more stubborn. Yeah, we like to chase the fire and this at least this task was just let the fire burn up to the road and sure it doesn't jump and just walk the line and soak it down. I mean that probably one of the easiest jobs we ever did there's been many a time and I've said it there's been many a time where we've chased fires up the mountain. Insanity when you look at afterwards it time we think we're doing the right thing and we're just trying to we're trying to put stuff out. No man, girl. Just you gotta lay a line figure out where it's going and just stay there and let it burn to you because the Noma of chasing it does really anything you protect the structures probably what on that call we did. In fact, it has to cool with the bomber coming in on our video on that. Oh, yeah page right on the front page or Facebook and it's that one where you know, there was a couple of stretches involved. Boys nailed it. They got the structures saved it fantastic happy days. And then we spent another five six hours in 38 degree weather chasing this thing up a mountain like we and afterwards we looked at it and went yeah, we probably shouldn't have done that. We didn't need to do that now, but we did because we kicked into it's a fire and aggression of the our fire tactics said we put that fight right where you know when it comes to Wildfire you need to just kind of take Step back and just you know, what no matter chasing this up a mountain is helpful right now. There's no structure up there. So you need to be better at looking at that. I think and I think we are we with every call like this that we got every every event. We're learning so much more it takes something like but what Rob just said just witnessing watching these guys work. Side by side with us seeing the way that they do things. We are structural fire fighters. Yeah. I were we do live in a interface area, but we're not going deep in the bush. They were not Wildland firefighters. That's not what we trained to be. That's not our job. You know, I I loved that job. It is crazy, but we work near structures that being said when there's not two hundred for a few firefighters here and Call like that. Well, our job is to protect the structure the easiest way to protect the structure is to remove the forest fire from the forest. So it doesn't grow down to a structure. So learning this I think this is what's great about this broadcast is We sit back, and we talked about things that work for us and maybe things that don't work for us. This is clear and show we're learning every day, you know, and this was a great learning experience, you know us with forestry mostly forestry and then a large group of men and women from all over the province. It was a great experience. We learned the time just just by seeing different tactics and training that we can Implement now. Never stop learning. No, it's good. Yeah on that to it would really shows that it would have served. No purpose that go in and Chase that fire because we had what one we had both bumpers and a tender. They're weighted dumped all that water onto that fire with our intranet hoses. Drained or trucks and we did accomplish nothing. It just goes to show these forestry guys that work on this year after year. They do know what they're doing when they say just let it burn and up to you and then put it out. Obviously, they're doing something with limited Water Resources. So crazy and and being able to put these fires out where we'd go in you dumped how many thousands of gallons of water and accomplished nothing? And we look stupid right and for three hours because it's 40 degrees a hundred degree weather to our American list. There's all that water because time to dry and now all that feels back again. So the easiest way to protect the structure let it burn the fuel. Yep can't really burn fuel is burnt. I mean something but it's way safer once all that ground load is burnt. Well, they're not dumb. I think our problem is is we see fire and we got to go get it. So absolutely drinks that aggressive that being said there have been a couple of times where we've done that and we've stopped massive wildfires from happening. So for example on the time the time that there was a there was a vehicle guy was smoking a cigarette he had bales of hay on the back flick the cigarette out the window and it came back in and landed in the bells. Hey, We all know what's going to happen now is that we have a truck fire with multiple bales of hay on a road, which is right next to an entire. I can't even tell you how big a massive massive area which we call the flat which is now starting to like get on fire and and just pass Radix, right? So luckily we ended up getting the head of IT pinching it off. Luckily again. There was a dirt road break a little bit further out which managed to stop some of that, but if we let that go Go if it wasn't for aggression trying to catch that they might worry about it. So it's I think we just need to start thinking about what we Chase when we Chase it and when the Let It Go and know what's on the other side of where we're learning go to if we have to let it go and what kind of parameters and we need to put in to make sure that we're okay. You know what we know there's a couple structures down there. So we need to at least direct it this way if we can we just we need better. We need to look at it differently because it is a large portion of our season. Yes. An entire month of shut up and wait, you know like but when it happens we need to be in that frame of mind. I think my biggest takeaway from from this has been that the forestry hose that style a hose is effective and for years, we haven't been using it and we're kind of implementing it the past couple of years a little bit here and there and now it really is starting to show how effective it can be. We used and not look dinky and stupid rights on these on these fires. So yeah. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, we're so default grab the two and a half. Okay. Now we're going to break it down the engine a half. Yeah. So for us to sit back and say okay, we're going to start with the inch and a half and then go down just an Econoline. I mean, is that like three quarter inch? Yeah, what's that going to do? It's going to use so much work so well, but it's Break away from our normal mentality that again big big learning curve and to not just that but talking about be see her talking about our forestry. They have they have parked at our training grounds right now three structural protection sprinkler units big massive trailers with piles of sprinklers and you name it. They probably got it on there for some sort of structural protection. So these guys are well prepared. Paired for exterior protection should it get to an interior fire? Obviously, they're calling us but three big massive semi-trailers of equipment. Yeah. Yeah. I mean they know their job they do just like we know ours when it comes to internal. Obviously, you're never going to see those guys going inside, but when it comes to those those types of fires in mind those boys were on it boys and girls we're on it and a lot of the questions have been coming in on the street. And on our Facebook page about why aren't we? Why aren't we out there doing a lot of this stuff or why is it just the the forestry guys working the fire and people have to realize that when it is in that forested area. It's up in the mountains in steep. Terrain. There's nothing as us as structural firefighters can even do so we just gotta rely on forestry and if it does come into our area or protection area that we're going to be out there doing something. Yeah, it's really tough. You know, I want to say it's disheartening when you see these men and women out there kicking ass cuz it's not it's feels great. Because you know, you're proud to work alongside. But you really want to be out there more that's kind of your you're calling is to be out in people to be out there with him. So you have people asking any wiring wiring out there. Why aren't you doing that? Why not? Like they're talking down like why aren't you more but you know, you're driving around town while everybody's working hard sucks. But the flip side of that is we got multiple calls almost Gay with in our town. So if we're out there hiking around with the forestry guys, which we want to be but also who's going to be running these calls those when it comes down to you know, it's we're here to protect our town and everything around it and that's their job is to go up there and do that and they're really good at it. If we were up there and you had a hundred forestry firefighters here and motor vehicle incident. Well, they're going to let you know that much bad. I don't know what to do. Right sure. We kind of know what to do up there but they really don't know what to do here. So professionals, they're professionals here. We assist each other but kind of to each their own and like Rob kind of sad if a fire came up to a structure and you know, if it jumped a garden maybe they didn't have them evacuate even the people that were brought into structural protection and like there were engines and tenders like it was full. Full-on departments, they can't go in. So that's we need to be able to be mobile to go and do that. So it took a lot of comfort knowing that, you know, when things went if not when if things went wrong that's what that would be our time to quote unquote shine, you know come in there and do our best doing the job that we trained to do every day. Well, I think because the response to that is unfortunately Is much as we wanted to be up in those Hills like you were saying who if a structure did ignite and they were still Embers coming off those heels are still trees falling down, especially towards those areas. If the fire starts closer down the hill now who's going to hit that who's going to deal with that when the winds came and the Embers start flying who's going to deal with those ignition? That was our job our job was to protect the town and make sure the people were safe deal with anything that Below that line. It was within our boundaries because if we've now got engines halfway up the hill. This is fighting something that is so far away. Now from the actual Town itself what happens when a structure and then catches and we've got all of our equipment halfway up a mountain and the problem is again because we're all so aggressive we want to go and do that. So the frustration of arises why can't we just be up there? But the reality of the situation is because yeah because you're something Happens down here. And we're up there. Then that thing is done. Like our average response time is about 3 to 5 minutes by the time we're like called in the trucks and on sing. So if that's the case then within that kind of three to five minute range that we've hit the hall or now, we've got to try and respond from are forever, man, and we've got to get to see so the likelihood that we can actually do something after that. Especially everyone knows now how quick things burn because the the way structures and everything's built We wouldn't have a chance. We wouldn't have a chance and especially the areas that were in threat in danger in wooded areas club together. Like I said, like which is why instead we chose to run patrols. So we had guys out every night in the vehicles running patrols check for spot fires, making sure the public we're safe and doing what we could down the hill, but it also did spur on a conversation of maybe we need to To start talking about a vehicle that we can send to help these kind of people out in different areas when these things go on because we had a whole bunch of people that are ready willing and waiting to go and do these things and you can make some really serious serious money for sending equipment and guys down to try and deal with this stuff. So maybe it's a possibility. That is something we can do get more money for the Department's we can buy bigger and better toys to help better protect the time that's right. I think that brings up to Reason why we have mutual Aid agreements as well because of the call when we got called out on the Wednesday to go and help forestry with that that one fire where we were we actually had no apparatus to serve the town which was good that we got. One of the local nearby communities to send a truck at least stand by it or halt. Yeah, and and wait in case there was something at least that that way there's some level of protection provided for the community. So it goes to show wire Mutual Aid agreements work. Absolutely. I think this goes back to I know Nick from the brother and Academy there was was confused once when I was talking about Our are wooded area the forestry and the whole Mutual Aid because they've got in the very next County which is very close and they've got all these Mutual Aid agreements going on and like what why wouldn't you be helping with the forestry there? Why wouldn't this be happening? So This falls right into their wheelhouse of the the whole Mutual Aid thing. I know they were just running a call the other day where they got called in to Be water supply for a neighboring County which worked out great. I saw some photos everything look like it ran smoothly. So this is more. I think it's maybe something that we see a lot more often moving forward to really leaning on that Mutual Aid brings us back to that original writ, I think which this is all going to spark. I mean up at that trailer fire we weren't about to go inside that trailer. Well, I'd say that was an actual home. would people inside people inside even up on The trouble house very we had members going inside and we put a rip team together, but that was a challenge. You know, we had it done it was within time. But summertime middle of the night it was I'm robbing people from I don't know how many trucks to put a RIT team together sure, you know, so if we had that that fits or a mutual aid for something like that that would you give me a minute. I'm to consider. Hey, maybe we can activate something there because everybody was on scene. Everybody was working everybody had a job to do but we still need to Those guys ready. So it was we put it together it worked but having completely fresh people might not have been the worst thing either so that Regional RIT thing the conversation I have with somebody who in the state's who Who they do that they have a group of guys is another group of guys that do a regional right thing and I asked them is like so how does it work for you? Is it work? Well and he's like, well, yes and no. Yes, we have people that are dedicated to come to seen when we have a structure fire. Unfortunately. We now need to look at how far they are away and how long they're going to take to come. So if they are responding how many people do they have? So we need to know a lot more. Asian before we can go internal and maybe the opportunity to go internal is a very very small window before you can get to the opportunity again, right? Because now you the structure their fires moved you didn't get inside quick enough and now you got a problem with us, I think because we have that RIT team and that mentality built into us now. Yes, that was a difficult one especially because of the amount of people that were there it was difficult, but because of the mentality we Have of we are going inside if we if we can and when we can to deal with what we have to to make sure we knock it down quick. So R. It is 10 tends to be one of the first things on mine. The tart comes out tools come out. We've normally got a couple of fresh. He's hanging around just doing some exterior stuff and wandering and making sure that everything is going on as we've discussed before if we had a situation where we had to wait for one of our neighboring departments to get here. Yeah. I think we have a problem because they're 20 minutes out. Other side I don't think they can wait. No, that's it. But you can't wait, but even on a call like like that one up at that problem house if we knew that they're coming. I could have utilized or we we could utilize those those people that I had already put in place for that that Rick team and then freed them back up. Once the fresh bodies came because any rent you want to have them as fresh as possible. Able, but when there's three trucks arriving jobs to do everybody jumps off and they're ready to go. So we don't have a designated. All right, you you do all these things while you you are now read you get off you get your task and then okay plans change we're going internal. So now you're picking and choosing fresh people and that's are quote fresh people because they've all been doing work, but now you got to pull them aside and going to sit there so they still have Master they could be doing and there's some small stuff that we allow them to do on the outside because the written doesn't have to be and never should be vital. They should always be moving around just not working hard. So it's a free them back after you go by fire in 20 minutes. Once these guys come on because even though the fire was out we had guys inside for quite some time. And when I say the fire was out if the fire was You know safe State we were inside the threat of it getting worse was gone. But I mean we were still doing that for quite some time. Yeah, so the opportunity there was there to have guys, you know coming from a neighboring area. There's there's good and there's bad. There's pros and cons. I think having you there is enough. Anyway, we can't wait. No, that's the thing. You have to operate like your the RIT team. You have to put yours together first. Yeah and then go from there. Yeah, I think as well like I was wondering this the other day because normally we get two guys on a tender One Stop, once that bladder. So, uh, we don't need two guys in the tender and that's exactly what was happening there. Right? We do not need to people on the tender anymore. So there's two guys Intially that can be pulled into whatever operations need to be. Yes, when it comes to clean up. They go back with that truck because that's the way we do things ultimately because there's you know me need to be safe with seats and things like that on the way home, but once two points two, people are done setting up that tank and making sure that everything's in situ one guy can go and fill the tender and one guy can dump more back out. There doesn't need to be too on a truck anymore. Yeah, so maybe we need to look at that a little bit too. And once that time comes back that guy can still go help. Yeah, right because He's not again not working. Look. He's standing by the Retard ready to roll right sounds like there's there's still conversations. We need to have in some Logistics and planning that I still need to to look at to see if we can make it work and obviously talk with our neighboring communities to yeah, as far as that two guys on a tender that recent structure fire. We had up the hillside there. I ended up driving the tender and actually ended up with my brother on the truck and we Don't the tank. We filled it up. We got hooked up with the the section on the onto the bumper and and we took off again for another load got back in and then kicked him off the truck to go pack up or whatever. But yeah, definitely one guy can easily run that tender once you're established. Yeah one guy can do it. It's more of a mode of transportation to get another guy there because we do have a cba's on our tender. Absolutely for our driver or Or spares if we need them as well. So yeah, so do we were going to talk about something completely different but that we got sidetracked? Okay weird. Okay. I wonder how does that happen Josh you did have a little bit of news and I know it's kind of in the middle of it, but we did want to use it as a segue into some other stuff. We wanted to discuss. Yeah, so I because we've completely gone sideways. Yeah, we could have exited away from my Information so it's been cycling everywhere on the internet there and it's a it's a sad deal. And you know, I think we all need to check ourselves. And really think about the implications here, right? Two firefighters were responding in separate vehicles to a fire call. One of them was under the influence causing an accident and killing a fellow firefighter in a different vehicle. The one firefighter who was intoxicated received six years in jail for vehicular manslaughter, that's it's crazy. Crazy crazy super sad. I mean the story reads on there's there's a lot more to it. But at the end of the day somebody was responding drunk or drunk enough. I'm sure it was the quick. Oh, I'm fine. I'm only had a few but something happened and we got causing an accident and sadly another firefighter lost their life. Just don't don't do it. You know you You want to be here so bad. All you want to do is help and we've talked about that many times. You're only you're hurting everything when you respond and then you cause another scene, you know, speeding to the hall. You're not really helping everybody wants to make that first truck but blowing stop sign speeding. I mean, there's eyes and ears looking at you everywhere, except it's not good for you. It's locked in further for the department so I can put the town and system bad image and this is the The extreme end of it but you know this this guy I'm sure he was just trying to do the right thing and just wanted to go help it's in his blood he wants to go out but he had a couple of beers or couple drinks whatever it was and ended up taking out a fellow firefighter and the other one lost their life. And now there's they're trying to split their crew to go deal with two different incidents. So, you know our thoughts and prayers go out and we know super super sad, but You kind of have to check ourselves. We're not helping when we're tossing another scene. I think we as a department say that to our guys quite a bit every practice night to make sure that if you've had any don't come to a call. Yeah, there's always going to be another fire call. Hmm. So you miss one because you've had a couple of drinks. Yeah better you stay home and avoid a situation like this. That's right. Yeah, we try to make sure that our guys are taken care of. We try to make that drill it into our guys but make sure that we say it enough to everybody to try and get that point across that if you've had a couple of a drink stay home. Yeah, I fully admit to having a few at home. I may be laying down or I'm doing something else and I It goes off. I've caught myself out the door. You know that that adrenaline kicks in and like you feel fine and you're like, whoa, wait a minute. I can't respond right now, but I had keys in my hand and I was out the door and in the moment, you just go into autopilot because that's what you do. Hmm, the pager goes off and you grab stuff and you go if I'm having some drinks at home. I will turn off my pager knowing that I'm I'm not going to respond. So I don't get that auto response of flying out the door. It's going to come across my phone and at that point if I don't hear it, I don't get that that maybe they think maybe and now I have now it's go time. But adrenaline, you know, I'll like oh, hey looks like we have a call. I'll walk over turn on the pager listen to it. I've sent you a lot of people to if we're having a larger event. If you've had a few like don't come down and toxic it where you're like, you know, I'm babbling idiot, but if you've had a couple of drinks and you can get to the hall via a ride or a walk and if you want to make sandwiches, if you you know, if you want to help wash hose at the end like the guys and gals are coming back beat. I have my even have three or four beers and you're washing hose there right? You're still here to help but if you're hammered don't even come around, you know, but Don't drive. Don't don't don't be here, right, you know, if you've had a couple beers and you're still quote unquote fine. You can come and lend support in a non firefighting roll with a safe ride or a walk. Like we've got a member that lives right down the way and he said to me once he's like man, I think just having strong whiskey or Rum or something. He says, you know, like I smelled like booze I could feel goodbye. Going but I got was fine. He's a house messing around the house. We're still making dinner. That was good. I really wanted to be there. I like men walk down don't write out a slip. I don't get paid for your job because you drunk or not drunk, but you're under the name implies. You would blow over you can be a Any little bit of a hand on a very very back shelf role, but don't think about your responding don't think about driving don't think about being a firefighter at that point. You're just somebody yeah, you have to be careful with how involved they get to especially at the whole thing Cactus emergency. If I write if a member of the public comes by if any emergency official or police comes by and they think that they got themselves there. Or especially now with the actually now is realize right. They think they can charge you. So liability thing really we have to be more and more careful especially as emergency responders emergency officials. However, you want to call it as to how we are responding or how we are. Conducting ourselves if we have been under the influence better. Like we've already said it better just stay home. Yeah, and there's also there's always going to be another call. There's always another one for sure. Yeah is one of those things is one of those things and I'm sure departments deal with it. Deaths of maybe they've got a few people that are you know, consistently arrived in that way conversations just need to be had from mouth and it needs to be brought up and it needs to get discussed or needs to get shut down because ultimately the other side of this is if you've got somebody who's consistently Turn It Up On A Tuesday afternoon or a Tuesday evening or whenever there is absolutely hammered pretty much every title glassy. I write the maybe there's another conversation that needs to occur. How many times yeah, you know, what if It's what if it's a crutch that they're leaning on in order to hide the other side of the dirty coin, right? That's right. And I don't want to use the terms of PTSD. But you know I'm saying right it's the maybe they're doing it to kind of self weight self counter, right? Maybe it's that kind of thing. How many times have we been to those calls motor vehicle incident where we're like that guy never should have been on the road. And we got to keep that in the back of our minds. If we're at the same state. We should never been we shouldn't be here. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's the old saying where you know, you have to beer well back in the day to beer. That's just to be with the boys, right you can do anything. Well, there's some truth to that but there's also some truth to there's a lot of stuff that went down back in the day. It wasn't safe. It wasn't good either. So some of that old boys club you get that mentality. You got to kind of watch that as well and it's not a We kind of make me fun in today's day and age of how I see how soft things are going with there's there's a big shift and there's also this big shift for a reason though, like people going for back of this people are dying and that's completely avoidable so you can joke around about how things are changing and how back in the day used to be so much better whatever but something like this. It's got to be black and white if you had some drinks you're not Firefighters today there needs to be a discussion as well about and if you've so if you've hurt yourself, for example, say I when I pull my shoulder, I knew that if we got a cool, I could not go internal because nine what if I'm back up and I now need to carry out. There's a writ situation right medical emergency guy in front of me goes down. I need to be able to deal with that and now I can't do anything because I know my shoulders bust so there's no way that I can deal with anything there. Right? Like I can't do what I should be able to do. So shouldn't we put myself in that position? I shouldn't be putting the other person then within that position. So your own medical State should be something that you should be aware of to if you've you know, you've got a bum elbow. Let's say, you know or some other issue right? Like you should not be going inside of buildings where you will be the person who is now going to be the one relied upon to save your brother or sister in that. Situation because you're a danger to them you're a danger to yourself, you know, so you need to be very cautious of that as well because the liability of that can can definitely it can cause some situations. Yeah, right and there's many different factors to liability and we're dropping the l-bomb here a lot and that's that's kind of a shift that we were looking to go with here waited waited. Just he's on to the segue there, right but there's many different ways to look at liability. So being alive being a liability to your brothers and sisters when you're injured, I mean that that's being a liability are covering your ass. so you don't get see we're so you know things don't happen because of your actions is a different way of looking at a liability like a liability can be harm that you're causing to yourself or to your brothers or sisters, but it can also be Like secondhand liability if you will, you know, what are your actions even on seeing when you're doing everything right in your eyes, you know, all you're trying to do is help but there's still liabilities out there medical calls, you know, you're trying to do as best as you can you're trying to help this this patient. We are not First Responders, but maybe we're doing things out of the scope of our our training which For example, we'll just talk about a quick we had a call the other day a larger gentleman had fallen he when we were when we got there. I had words with him quickly. He was in I used to completely coherent he was talking to me. He explained what had happened and visibly he was fine. But at some point he had lost Consciousness had fallen down. Wasn't visibly injured but something happened where he lost Consciousness. So for us to just pick him up put him back on his couch where he was going to be fine. I mean, there's a huge liability there. I think that's that's the direction that we're we're going more and more in because we have to so what happens if later on yeah, there was maybe there was some head trauma. Maybe there was I have no idea but maybe there is dot dot dot what? Why was the fire the fire department there? They were helping them and the next thing you know, they cleared him that he was fine. And he's gone. Well, we really clear me his file. We just put him back on the couch. Yeah, you got to have professionals come. So for us we wait for the paramedics to come we can help we can be there we can make sure the keys as comfortable as possible, but we don't move touch or clear until a professional comes and advises and The liability factor of it and that's the direction that we're going and we kind of have to nope. Just going back to to Carl's comment about the shoulder injury any other type of injury. I mean here in Canada, we've got workers compensation. There are more and more fire scenes that that they have officials that are showing up on scenes to make every sure everything is going work safe. bam by the book and we really do have to be careful. We haven't had anything show up but on scene but there could be and let's say Carl has a shoulder injury and he's at a fire call and he's got a doctor's note that he's not supposed to do any heavy lifting or any type of work in here. He is on a fire scene putting yourself into that situation. There's that type of liability that could potentially not only open himself up to but us as a department. As well, why didn't you know about that injury? Why did you put him into that possession? In so there's there's those types of things that have to be, you know, you might have a slight injury, but if you're doing more and more work, it could be getting worse and worse and worse and you're not saying anything and you're not only hurting yourself. You're putting yourself into a potentially dangerous situation. Like you said if you're having to be a Frontline interior guy, Then nobody can rely on you because of that injury. You may not be able to fully do that job. So there's that liability issue as well completely completely and that's tough because nobody can police that but yourself. Yeah. Those were the kids then it lays on your shoulders every time I might like you need to make that cool. So let's say let's say you've got three people that are you know part injured and they say something great. No problem. Now, we know we get a structure fire this week. We need to call Mutual Aid as soon as I get the get. Hey dispatch, if we get this make sure that you call Mutual Aid on this call inform the department. It's not a problem. It just needs to be brought up because if it's a if it's a problem if it turns into a problem is going to turn into a problem on the scene. That's a bigger issue because now we've got people there hurt. He can't do the job to the full capabilities together half whatever, you know half of half the capabilities of what they would have been if they were at full they can be problematic pretty quickly and one of our guys knows about that. I mean Kevin, so I hear mmm, he went through the downward spiral with his back where he was only doing certain things many ended up not responding at all and He was full disclosure right off the Hop basically so it was good. What is it? As soon as there's an issue he started to say hi, you know guys like the back doesn't feel right, you know Omega sticky driving for a while. And that was fine is he could hop up and down he's doing everything but he knew he probably couldn't self-rescue a rescue another firefighter. So he took himself off the front line, you know K is going to be a driver and a pump operator for a bit great. And then is his situation got worse and worse to the point where we have to go rescue him off off of this floor is really bad like that like Volquez going to be okay ever again, like it was scary and then he got some help they needed and they figured out what the issue was and he got better and next thing, you know, he starts coming around a bit more and we slowly working himself back in case coming to practice and now he's he's still kind of secondary, but he's working himself back in okay. A now he's cleared for like dude. He's okay. He's back driving the truck again. Okay, but he wasn't hopping on first track. He's pulling home back maybe right and then finally he brought the note in standing. Yes. I'm clear for full activity and I was a great day, but that was I mean, I thank him for doing it that way because he didn't have to say anything the right and so it was full disclosure right off the Hop and I mean that's kind of where we're going with this. You need to be that that way it's your you're hurting yourself, but you're also covering your own ass. So if something were to happen, there's a liability for you. So if there's an underlying issue that you didn't say something and then all of a sudden Carl dies because I can't save you and they're like, oh well show us your you've been battling this injury for x amount of time. Well, hey - you're getting sued. So back to the liability Factor. So the onus is on you to say something. But it's also a there's a big liability there and and good on cap to like we've said before about taking ownership. He took ownership made sure that we were advised or the administration that fire chief everybody was advised of his injury and saying hey look I can't do this job right now until I get better and yeah, so there I mean there are guys that will Not say anything in there guys, that'll say stuff. It's kind of like I want to keep doing this job. I don't want to miss this and that comes down to there will be more calls, right? Yeah, we're all proud. Yeah group right. There is a very smelly thing that Taylor's with that to right and again you get that in every fire hall you get the alphas the the the, you know, the big me ears and the ones who just want to keep beating their chests and I'm fine. I'm fine. Nothing's going to take me down, but the problem is with that mentality if you can't admit to yourself. Others that you could potentially be a problem on scene G to those factors physical or whatever then you're a liability to everyone the other side of that to is and I'm thinking about this in the in the terms of teams. So now let's say we've got a situation where we're sending guys inside. Well, can you send a guy that weighs 300 pounds in with a guy that weighs 120 because what if the situation occurs where that person does go down and now we've got a writ situation. Could be very easily saved. So let's say we put you know, our smallest guy in with one of our videos dudes on a nozzle inside of a building. Mmm when that shit hits the fan we got some problems one way is working out. Just great because the big guys just carrying that one over his shoulder. We got no problems or All-Star some dame. However, Dane and a package girl like that's your worry, right? So and I don't think fully in Citroen. So we've got a very we've got a very tight group of guys. We know what people tend to be going inside. Anyway, when we're making those calls, but that's something to think about to like. And this is something to think about before you even send people in the building like okay, who do I have who's comfortable and can they support each other in a situation that potentially goes south because if it does can this guy move that going can that gonna move this guy that's situational awareness. It comes down to what's happening over here. But what's my situation with my Manpower it it's ever-changing well as an officer, no making. Sorts of decisions and cools obviously lays on your shoulders and had having that Viewpoint your total kind of your compass has to change, you know, your focal point your North is different at every moment and you need to make sure that all of that is in in your view at all times because when situations change and they do and we all know it's very Dynamic on the ground. We need to make sure that we're all watching everything but sometimes when you are the focal point guy and you are doing a task, which is Why we've now removed certain aspects and certain jobs for our nozzle man for our backup their specific points that you are dealing with at that time. Yes, you were trying to be completely aware of everything but you are very still focused on what's going on. You don't have the opportunity to detach. That's what the officer now going in with you is for so you just need to be aware of that too, right? Yeah for sure. Yeah. Boys, they were going to call it a night. It's been a big big conversation. It's been a long week. Yeah, I think most was a crazy week. I think we sat down so night with with a bit of a vision. We never really got there. No, we didn't worrying. Anyway, if we done sort of yeah we go. So try to the begin if I can for 40 minutes. Yeah. It's kind of how Also, I think sometimes it's are better are better podcast sometimes. Yeah, sometimes you need to have those nights kind of call them their Stitch and bitch night for whatever comes out comes out. Sometimes you just have to go unplanned angry. I think last last week's episode are about Sunday that we got cold man. I was really listening to it and just me personally. I was off I was totally off and hear myself back. On some of the some of the things I was saying the slowness in which I was bringing things up like you could tell I was mentally fried from the week. Yes. It's like we're but I just got better completed. Yeah after the cool. I felt the adrenaline kind of Rush a little bit get and I felt a little bit back on my board lead and it better but yeah, man, let's start was it was hard work last week just for me I think but yeah, we got a lot more to a lot more. Stuff to come this is our first episode of our new season s can get and we were cooling at 53, but I might be 54 if I end up targeting the other stuff we're going to do a bonus episode of some of the best bits of our podcast that we enjoyed either from each other from ourselves pieces of information that we liked in different episodes. Now, we're going to we're going to try throwing together and kind of a bit of a montage. I guess you can say my everybody loves a good month. Maj some of it is from Team America. Oh What no no, no man. Really? Yeah, it's great team America. It's a Japanese like a clay claymation all those the puppets. It's the puppets Up have yeah the time of your life, you gotta suck a man. Logan the so we we've got a bunch of different bits and pieces that are going to be sent to us. We have some of those they called the balls or those fire extinguisher. But yeah, the fire extinguisher thicker coat. Anyways, we are going to be getting sent some of those so expect some videos coming out of that. So we're going to test those out in the broom building. We're also probably going to be Doing I think we were doing a sprinkler demo, which we're going to end up. We are awarding and even downstairs yet negative walk up that way. Yeah. Yeah. Both of the buildings are the rooms. They're done are constructed ho yeah Stoke awesome. So we've kind of our guys have built a building area with two rooms and we're going to fill them both up and show what sprinklers can do. So we're going to set fire to them both and show what what actual sprinklers Actually achieve and as part of that. We're actually thinking that maybe we'll use one of the little ball things as a demo inside and one of those Mmm Yeah, we've got we've got a gentleman who's going to be sending us and demoing for us a forestry sprinkler very expensive one that he's going to be donating to our fire department when he does get a chance because obviously it is Wildfire season right now. Yeah, and so he is very busy. But when he gets an opportunity he is going to be around to demo and showcase what he has so as part of that. I know that he said he's going to be handing over and we've also had a conversation with a group called associate fire and they are going to be donating a whole bunch of fun product for us to test them break. We've already made the stipulation that it probably won't be coming back in one piece and they're very happy with that. So They basically said just you know test it to failure, which is what we like to do with our stuff. Make sure we can we can use and abuse until it it does the job or doesn't do the job. So they're very happy with us doing that to so expect to hear more and see more from that. We have a whole bunch of video that is planned. Of course with the weather the way it is we are not we are not live burning right now. We won't be doing that until probably the end of September, but when that starts expect to see a lot more of our training content coming through next week. Week, I think what I would like to discuss or maybe just after is we are Scott mentioned it last week. Actually we are going to be doing tests in every September where we have our guys go through set stations and prove that they can do the tasks of which we have trained for. So, you know forcible entry throwing a ladder at CBA on and off and what you need to do for, you know your packs etcetera and your masks and She might want to be able to do it or not. Yeah, it's not sand lots of jokes. And yes, so we we do a lot of internal training. We do a lot of internal I want to say certificates because we don't know sir that are training officers have certs exactly so and they're the ones that need them. absolutely, so Once you take your title one looks like your stamp of approval and then you're off to go be a firefighter. So we're taking that kind of the one step further Scott's implemented a few years ago. Where annually will take our firefighter test if you will and it was a written test of all of the things that you should have in your mind to do the base job. This isn't none of this is Next Level Training. This is All the base job just to make sure that your back to basics information is embedded in your mind. So now we're taking another step where we're going to do the basics of training and it's going to be a station of you need to get into the truck put it in drive drive to the hydrant hit a hydrant flow water make the truck pump blah blah blah. So that is your one station and it's not give you something everything else that we do. It's not a pass fail. We will make sure that you pass. We will train with you until you pass this will be a this is your job do it and it's pass/fail. No no instruction. However, if you fail, it's not like you're off the department, we will then take you aside see what we need to do give you the tools that may be missed allow you to retest pass/fail perfectly past now, you you move on and there's going to be a bunch a bunch of stations. You have your ropes where you going to have X amount of ropes that you you need to earn not sorry that you need to be able to tire out on the fire ground. It's not going to be 30. It's going to be like for your it's so your PB gone off in an x amount of time on the breathing air. And I think I think we're gonna do in the back of a truck like it's the full the gear on. Get in the truck get your air pack it off the track show that you're breathing air. Nothing crazy and it's going to be a very attainable time but time throwing a ladder throwing a roof ladder knowing how to set hooks knowing how to throw a two-person throw for an extension ladder inch and a half two and a half holes handling man. What am I all forgetting? There's there there's a bunch frog ppv. Yeah exactly. They don't know how to run a fan of the fun stuff, you know simple stuff right forcible entry. It's going to be a quick couple minute per session is going to be groups of three like a truck team basically and you can assist each other to a certain extent some is just a single person you do it or you don't but I like the forcible entry is probably going to be a multiple person and you have to have your your nozzle person you you have to have the person that's doing the work so Treat it as a three-person team. Everybody's going to cycle through and it's going to be a yes or no and if you like, you know, like I say, if you don't have it, we can revisit as a group. These are the people need to brush up on this great will go and do that and then you can come back and retest on on that. We want everybody to pass but it's not just about possums about finding on the college's. Yeah funny holes that need to be filled Leo and just make sure that you know, hey, you know, what these guys They miss the train at night. Yeah, I mean it's not like we haven't gone through these things if you type is but maybe they missed a couple of nights and those those two were, you know, forcible entry and they're not that Keen On Tools. Maybe that's not the job. They normally feel maybe that's maybe they normally drive the truck. Maybe they don't you know, and we want everyone to make sure that they've got a basic understanding because as we train and as we do things having those the mindset of you look at a situation, I know they're missing somebody in that situation. I can fill that hole and having somebody Who can do that having people that can just constantly look at a scene and just say hey this isn't happening. I can do it and they just go do it without having to hey, do you mind if I all this is I should probably can I or hey chief you got something for me to do know there's something for you to do. You see that it needs to be done get in there and do it. And if you've got the skill sets that are well-rounded enough to see it you're going to do it every time I think it has to do with the training Matrix that we have that nobody gets messed and that Make sure everybody is for our interior exterior level of stuff is where they need to be that way if we did miss somebody for ropes or forcible entry. Yeah, take my side show them the skill get them to do the scale and say check good. Yeah and and move on to make sure everybody is up to Snuff as dr. That liability thing. This is us being able to say. Hey, we casted annually our membership and this is all of the questions. Qualifications that they meet you might be certified, but you're qualified right A certification doesn't mean you can go do it a skilled skilled slow and still had so many message me about the the $2 you can still pass even $2 bills get paid less. Yeah, and this isn't a dig against paid guys. It just means that hey, you know what? You got a piece of paper with your name on it. Sure. I do too. There's a hundred hundreds and thousands of people that have driver's licenses these days but show me 10 of them that can drive. Like it doesn't mean anything unless you can do the skill and this is our way of testing that you could do the skill. Yeah, I think it also we have to have a certain level of as per our provincial guidelines for volunteers because we are volunteers that we have to be at a certain level if we're going to be interior exterior. So we have to be at that certain level to be able to continue to be that interior love just one more way for us to to prove. Annually that we do meet those standards that this is actually being set by us. This is a I'm beyond what we have to do for the Playbook The Playbook just controls the portion of what we need. No, this is an internal test created by our training team to ensure the our guys know it it's not it's not mandatory at all. You just need to do the written test paperwork, which I'm sure a lot of departments do and have to do because if that is the Playbook name, but this is that extra step extra documentation of also doing yeah for everyone's sake, you know, I know that I'm probably going to do very poorly at the truck stuff when it comes to driving it and getting water and things like that. There's going to be a there's going to be some brains. Sequences that need to occur. Yeah, and I may need to run through it before we do we ran through not see other night with Matt was awesome. Great refresher. I can do it with my eyes closed. I can do it be on my back right now you like but if you'd have asked me next week, and I hadn't had that 30 minutes with Matt. Good night, man. Good luck. Maybe what we could do potentially is that we can make an evening where we come down and we actually run through the stations before the it comes through we can record. The content and actually show the skill sets because it would be great for our content for our internal use for our guys and for obviously for me. So I think there's there's nothing stopping our guys from saying to anybody in the training officer or anybody on the training team to say. Hey, can we go down this night? I really suck at this or I miss this night. Can we go over this half an hour or whatever? Yeah just as That Tuesday night or Wednesday night or something that at least peaches them that for when it comes around again, they know that rather than having to reteach over they decide not to come that night. And again they've missed and then this date yeah as a group a training group were very keen to put in the extra time with for our guys for neighboring departments. It doesn't matter what it is if somebody reaches out and asks for a little extra. We make the effort as a group and we put it out to some extra people and that's one thing I and maybe we should bring that back up again on Thursday. Hey, like just so he knows like this is coming down because we left all the our membership know that this is happening but a quick hey anybody means to brush up on something don't hesitate to speak up and ask we want you to pass. We want you to pass because you have the information. So let us help with that. I mean there's stuff for the like you say like Carl is going to struggle on drops. I hate knots and ropes I can get it done but it is not my fault. Hey, it's so I'm going to be brushing up on that to make sure that I mailed it because you got to mail it. So I think a good thing too. Is that us as a training. Group will go through everything together beforehand as well because obviously us as a training group spend time teaching stuff where we don't always involve ourselves in into it. So we're like, okay you need to do this this and this and they do it, but we're not actually physically doing it ourselves. So we need to be able to show ourselves what we're teaching we can actually do as well. We also are going to venture towards our strengths and there's certain things that each one of us and do that we excel in so if we're training on ladders one one night and we're training on V is more times than not you'll see me on TV is side because that's kind of my jam right where I can I can get the ladders done, but I know V is I'm not something that I can I've taught that many times. We've been through this a bunch. I feel confident with it where I can then maybe give some Tips and tricks to some of the newer guys coming up and maybe some things that the older guys haven't seen because hey everybody does things differently. So Carrie, she inserts yourself into the training that she might not be as strong. You know, she taught a ropes course and I remember coming down here with her and we had ropes tied to the back of the truck and we were going back and forth and doing it off of Notepad. I mean like we know in the moment when there's a group of people. Okay, I'm going to do this you that you kind of rely on everybody's strengths but we were working through it together from a hangout swipe our brain start fresh and she knew that inside and out. And now I think she's one of our better ropes people here because she took on something that she wasn't super strong with really dope all in and now she's able to teach it just like that and you know, This year we are doing this train right for the trainers. So we're going to go through everything and I think that's going to be great because it's going to show ourselves personally, maybe hey, it's been a while since I've done that. Maybe I need to look after that a little bit more as well. And that's great. And I think it will show when we come back and say this to the membership the hey, we're doing this. It looks good that we're not just the ones sitting back picking and choosing what we teach we're out there doing the work as well. Well, and as we move into some cooler weather again, we spoke about it this summer, but there's no time in the summer sadly to put an extra training. We want to put all this extra training and where we can get the officer Corps and the training group together and do maybe an extra night once every month or so where we're getting that Hands-On versus the verbal that we're giving. Yeah. So yeah. Yep good stuff. That maybe is a The thought on that maybe have some of the newer guys not newer guys per se some of the guys that are looking to join the training department. Maybe have them run those training sessions for the officer Corps and for the training team because it would be a good opportunity for them to teach and showcase skills. 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There is right now and I was doing but yeah, this is here. It was a gallon or so for sure before. The song went off before my cousin. This is me on scene like on scene. Yeah copy that dispatch also wears PC ambulance. Oh, they're en route. Oh copy that and that came down to our liability chat is they were we had two cars local they were both busy. We ended up getting that mutually coverage from another Island station just down south. So we waited for them. So I am responding was great. That's how fast it was. We ended up. I was on scene before the call even came out. So if that was something serious, which thankfully it wasn't this time. Look at that. I mean you're definitely saving time so it works for us. Maybe it can work for you and lastly but not leastly on the product side of life. Stop the bleed. So it's not really a product. It's more of knowledge. Its course. Get out there get it. What is it? I don't even know the address. We we have it put up. I hope it's not stop the bleed or discovered mentioned previously. But yeah, I'm not too sure. I will make sure that we had we get it out there Rob. I'll bring it up or you're never going to hear the end of it our boys down south of our boys who you have not mentioned yet. Well, no, I was are you okay? I was getting ready. Okay the wrong product. Stop the coaches get em Barb. No, I was concerned that maybe you had actually forgotten. Nobody told. How could I cousin Nick would never let you hear the end of it? No. No, so the bar boys Brotherhood Academy radio out of Maine. They're polar opposite. They're rolling if beer. It's good because they get the same result in a different way and it's really good to hear the way they do things. They're very similar to us. They they don't have in next apartment. They really have a problem with with retention with getting the volunteers out and we're much the same way. We're really lucky that that way but we see around us the same thing. They see around them everywhere else seems to be going through there really lucky and there. I think they just spoke about this in one of the recent podcast. Where they live is lending to good membership there go there there Oceanside beautiful country up out there substantially different to what we have here, but to paint a picture for our American followers that might not understand kind of our value and our sort of weather area here. We're Canadians nap the Napa Valley. We're in California and Canada. Where the California Canada? Yeah, we have a Like I say that's right of the road. But we we have a place really close by that we link to California. Yeah, right. It's very very similar. We do get a bit more of the winter in the winter. But we're that weird desert that smells like crazy in the winter. So we got all true for Four Seasons, but we are really lucky what we have here in the summertime and in the wintertime, so we get a lot of people that want to move. Move here. So maybe there's some worse off places out there that might have a little bit harder time keeping people. So when we speak to that they speak to that they train aggressive. We definitely trained aggressive the NFPA they speak very highly of it. We understand why it needs to be there. We follow it. But we also adapt I mean that's just the way we are I think it Well for us yeah, check those guys out. They definitely give us a lot of love. We toss it back to them we have plans to do a episode together. I don't know where that's going to fall and now everybody's so busy. So I almost think we should put it off the motor motor September's about yeah, you know, like right now next having a hard time getting his crew together. Obviously, there's three of us and there's a couple missing chairs. So this is just the reality of Summer coming to an so kind of look for that in the fall. I think that it's going to be a lot of fun talking to those guys. We won't even talk firefighting was going to talk shit back and forth for 45 minutes. And yeah, it's just going to be american-canadian jigs, right and probably to most trading ones over the sea. Yeah, right and that's going to come from both. Look forward to that and that's really all we got for shoutouts. Oh, yeah. Oh absolutely you do and I know what it is, but go right ahead do. Hey, I'm going to shut up Matt. But was Gonna Shine my yeah, I got another one is off. That's all but the mat one so second alarm dot-org that work. Yeah second one down toward our friend Matt in New York is trying to make sure they obviously all of us get more people knocking on our fire hold doors. So he is bringing up. He's created a calls with a very unique and special team that is helping him promote and Market this So this is going to have some some big big him big impact on the fire fires all across Nationwide when it comes to the US and hopefully it will filter to us to eventually big big calls. Just trying to really show what volunteers do the lack of current volunteers and and the the the trying to build that interest and make sure we get more and more people coming through and enjoy anacin. Joining those departments that maybe don't have as many people so go and support Matt and his calls second alarm dot-org great great calls, and I got one more which we don't normally do but I feel like we need to talk about a little bit just is monk off manufacturing now when I say monk of manufacturing so gentlemen on our on our crew great great guy anytime we need something built pretty much when it comes. Stu mechanic or whatever he is. The guy we turn to he is the one who builds all of the pumps for our forestry trucks. He is the guy who built our re breakable door. He's created some tools, like pike pole kind of style things for our trucks that have basically get pulled now more than the pipe poles do if you want something specifically made there is nothing that he cannot help build. So check them out monk off Manufacturing.com. When Trump yeah, and they're also on the book face too. So check them out on their reach out. His name is Dennis great great guy super supportive and will help you build what you want to build. You're going to see a whole bunch of agricultural equipment. Yes. Don't let that fool. You know, you dive a little deeper. There's going to be some firefighting stuff in there and like crawl says if you have a question if you say hey, I've got a vision and I want this made and I'm sure you guys all have these people in Back back pocket in your communities, you know the Roman email throw McCall. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to at least have a conversation with you. Maybe some he can help with maybe some eating just advise upon so Kim show never done. Yeah hell of a company held a guy. Yeah. Absolutely. I know we he's a hopefully all know he helped build our denominator to yeah. So and then maybe we can get into the better version of the de coordinators soon as well. But I digress ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for your time. Rob. Good night girl - later. They said everyone. Oh and Scott says - you say that starts right at the end of solute mom is about 20 minutes ago. Yeah.
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