All right, everybody. Welcome back to the best out of their day Fern here. I am here with my good buddy and longtime friend. Mr. Paul Tremblay, and if you guys don't know who Paul Tremblay is you may have seen with the games. He's how many times how many years have you done the demo team Paul? Oh man the demo team five times. I've been on a dental team or more times than I've computed. Which ones worse. Like on the body or on the yeah on the ego the density is pretty for sure. Yeah. I think I totally get that really like a you really just want to be on the other side of that. But like I don't the demo team doesn't seem super fun a lot of the time like no like we I mean Dave puts us to the for sure. It actually was worse when we were in California because out of the workouts were, you know, being tested hours or days. Before the event right? Yeah, whereas now, you know, he'll have some people up at the ranch early in the air to test a bunch of workouts. And then come Madison. We'll just tweak a few things but it's not that it's not that physically demanding anymore. I'll be sure to let Dave no so you can yeah. Yeah for you guys. Yeah. So most of you guys are the cross for you immediately hit like yeah, I know Paul but so we're not going to talk a ton about the games you're going to talk about so he is on the seminar staff. Laughs he is an affiliate owner and Ottowa that I say the right is it Ottawa on I can't get there on what Canada you got it right on buddy owns CrossFit NCR and how long you guys had your affiliate for 2013 so early 2013? Yeah, February March, okay, and then coming up on six seven years. Yeah, and then how many years on seminar staff? I think about the same as me or okay. Alright. So yeah, I got on the stand from 2015. Okay, cool. Yeah because I was like 2013 got it. Okay. So I do have a question. Which one are you more proud of you more proud of making it to the games or being on seminar staff? Oh man. What if it's a tough question? That's a great way to start man. I'll be honest with you making it to the game. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think making it to the games. I'm pretty proud of I think. Looking back in a couple of years or in 10 years 20 years. Maybe I'll all have different different point of view or different mindset, but I think qualify for the CrossFit Games when I did in 2014 or 2012 and 2014 pretty damn proud of that pretty damn proud of that Slavic. Accomplishment honey, you should be I'm not downplaying the games at all. Like that's that's legit. So it's you know, it's funny thing is I mean I station often with people close to me that you know, what do you most passionate about is you most passionate about coaching or most passionate about competing and I don't have an answer really? I it's tough for me. It's a gray area. I love both so much and I get so much out of both. So that it's I wouldn't be able to say and I think the answer is sometimes it's like hey if I had to pick one thing for the rest of my life either coach people for the rest of my life, right? I'm either I can either train for the rest of my life. Well, the problem with that is one of those is not realistic though. It's like it's like it's kind of like cheating, you know, yeah, so maybe okay give me for the next five years that you can only train her only coach I only drink. I think that's fair because you're still capable of doing that. Like I'm well past I was actually talking about this the other day with somebody how and I think and you are you might feel a little bit the same way, but probably not so like I have kind of lost the passion for competing and I think it's largely due to the fact that like I played basketball like I was only ever involved in team sports and I've missed that like, I don't involve just punishing myself for no particular reason like it was always because I was on Team, and I know you played hockey for hockey if I said coffee a key. But like if I was to give like the only way I would like get back into training and like really hit it hard as if I was on a team of some sort. Like that's the only thing that would get me to like get up early start training like like start like full-blown weighing and measuring my food again like this. I think that's the only thing that would get me to do it. Yeah, and if you relate that to CrossFit and that's probably what a lot of guys are doing right like a lot of guys are going from That individual. Yeah competing to hey, let's just hop on the team and and that's what can keep me going and training, but why I think initially it was because people thought it was easier, but I don't think that's the case anymore. No definitely not. It's definitely not it will statistically speaking. It's harder go to get to the games on the teams and then it is as an individual now, right because there's less opportunities. Yeah left opportunity unless people who actually qualify and you have to win an event or You just waiting your country or qualifying through the open or finishing 10th at an event that 10 games athletes are there and are qualifying ahead of you. Not that that's bad. Just there's just left chances of getting there. But there's something to be said about that that team aspect of training man and you felt it in team sports and I've never done any individual sports really aside from I don't either but yeah and golf I'm not a good golfer. I just do it for fun. But you know competitively never done anything as an individual. So that's why I like the CrossFit individual career or whatever that I had. It was it was definitely something different. But the beauty of that is you always train with people or like even though yeah individual you're always trying to train with other people so you can you still get that camaraderie aspect and you know getting put in training so your you can almost Feel like you're on a team but when you're on the floor, you're definitely not. Yeah. Yeah. I just I just have a hard time like pushing past some of those like pain points because I'm like, what is this for? Like, I'm not like I'm gonna win anything like nobody's depending on me over here. So I'm just like and I'm also just not that fit anymore. So that makes it easier to continue to sew the body of made the decision for you. Oh, yeah, dude. I'm totally fine with relative intensities days. So your business Partner Pete Shaw who I want to have on the podcast as well. Just qualified for the game speaking of that. He did and I didn't Tina. Yeah, and you are you going to give are you still giving it a shot? Like what is your goal to try to get there this year? Yeah. Yeah. It still is it's awkward man, like in my head. I have these battles that you know, do I still want to go to if they want to compete is it still like a real gold mine and I think it is like I just still really enjoyed competing. Like the training aspect is fun. And I think I'll always enjoy training and training with a purpose. But yeah, the competition aspect of being on the floor is just like such a it's a wild. Hi. Yeah, almost like addicted to it and that's why like I did so many sanctioned events last year just because I had so much fun. How many did you do? I did for last year. That's a lot dude. Yeah, I know and it's crazy because when the when they announced the station events, I'm like this is Stupid why the hell would you want to compete so much because I was always used to I would never do any other competition but regionals and then hopefully the games so, you know, I had that mindset of like you can't why would you compete so much in a year? And I remember these guys that would go to water palooza and Dubai even before these sanctioned events and get all these composition under the belt before regionalism in hindsight. I probably should have done that. I probably should just competed a little bit more. That's an interesting. That's an interesting. Intake because there's very few other sports where you like the Olympics is probably like the closest thing where like you just train for like one opportunity like in every other sport like I've got a season like I'm going to play I'm going to do my preseason. I've got my conference or whatever it is and then I've got potentially the playoffs and then it's a championship and it's like what you I would never practice basketball like for a year to play one game and then hope that went well, I'll be like shit. Yeah, like this is like flipping a coin I could just A bad game. So it's interesting to hear you say that. Yeah, that's why I like I think the regional format, you know rest in peace was so awesome. You know the yeah. Thanks for so high. I did all the things and events last year and no sanction event felt like regionals in terms of Seward. I thanks. Yeah. It was Do or Die it was wild as I can if you made it to the game, you're like you had one shot of going and you hit it. Like that's that's why I like you know that Huge and that's why the the Regionals was fun. But I do I do agree that it does make it more exciting. I just from an athlete standpoint. I'm like, I just don't know that it's fair like it's just like man, there's some people that probably, you know could be there and could perform. Well that are not which is why I do like the which is why I do like the sanction or format a lot more but on that same token like when you get to the games, like that's the playoffs like you don't get us I love the cuts like you like that's like so I look at sanctions like that's your season and you can have bad games throughout your season. Once you get to the games like you I don't I think you've lost the right to have a bad game like in the playoffs anywhere else like if you lose like it's it like you just dial, you know, just suck it up and get ready for next year. So I do it. Yeah, it's it's become like Qualifying for the games was like, oh my God, that's amazing. You you're going to the games. That's great. And now it's not like oh you qualify for the games. Cool. How far did you get? Yes? Yeah. How far did you get at the CrossFit Games? She was like, yeah your name on your jersey, but did you go home after won't work out? Yeah at the end of the day like was that worth it. I was happy. I was talking to when this week. I'm like, I don't know what I would if you told me you could go to the games, but you'll get cut first workout. I don't know if I'd say, yes, like I don't know if I would go. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean I get what they're doing and I think long term it's going to be great. But still I agree with you. I'm just kind of like man. I got there for one. I got there. It's like it's like just get like if it's one of those things where just get blown up on day one. It was like man. I don't like I was embarrassing like why do you even show up here? You know like yeah, I would that that would I feel terrible and I know like I know some guys that have that that happened and they did feel terrible, you know, and there it's fueled their season going forward for sure, but that's why that's why I think long term it's a good thing that exposure is in is going to drive training and adaptation in a lot of those like newer. Areas and countries of like that. I think it's gonna be cool. But yeah, I definitely that's a funny way to look at as you made it the games will how far because that tells me something entirely different. It's just like yeah. Ok, cool, but I also think it's cool because like I like the fact that a lot of those old scenarios were like the leader can can basically like tank for a couple days and then make it up on the back end was just like man, if you're that bad at something like I don't know that you should go to the next round, you know, so, I mean you give the lecture Right. Yeah weekly back across all listen and does everyone does that if everyone doesn't perform the same task? Yeah, and you know, is it really? Oh do we really have who we have at the end of the weekend? I mean, yeah, I think so. Yeah Frazier want yeah, so I definitely think there's like I think a lot of it doesn't change. It just creates more excitement. So like I think largely largely there's five to seven guys, who are Actually there to play and everybody else is therefore potentially like making it another day. But yeah, but yeah, but I do like the fact that like if one of those athletes like a Frazier, somebody else has a bad day that like that could bump you out like yeah, I kept that could be it for you, which I think is fair. So anyway, remember Kevon video since devoin's like behind the scenes videos at regionals and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Which one? Yeah. Well, he's just used to go around and yeah, yeah. Think you can win the CrossFit Games and you just ask people and then he was waiting for that one person say like no, I don't think I can and to be really honest like hey, no, I don't. You know what? I don't think I can beat Frazier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah of the guys who were qualifying. I remember talking to him behind the scenes like hey, has anybody said they can't yet because that's what they're thinking. Yes. I'm bullshitting. You can see it in their eyes like I mean like, I'm sure I'm Sure. No Olsen is a good dude. But like this it from from years of competing like, you know, two decades of competing at a pretty high level what I saw I'm not saying this accurate, but what I saw is like he actually wanted no business with that leader that leader Jersey like he did not he was not comfortable being chased. That's what I saw his face on the floor and I'm like I get it dude because Frazier was the complete opposite look like you look like you would a knife to his mom to win. Yeah, like yeah. Nobody wants to be chasing. I think there's that there's definitely a couple guys at the top of that truly believe they can win it and it's possible but 90% of the of the games of the games athletes are like, yeah. No, I'm just here. I promise you're here to get some cool gear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah cool. So now how in if at all how has being an athlete helped you as a coach and in your affiliate because I typically Look at that is almost a detriment. Yeah, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on that. I think like so me qualifying for the games like 6 years ago now almost. What it's done for for me as a coach is it's opened up a lot of doors. So like I'm yeah, I was able to meet a lot of great people and through that like as soon as I had the opportunity to talk to someone that could get me on fast. I made it happen, right so and I don't think those opportunities would have come if I hadn't been in the games maybe they would have but in a different way. So for example, like when I was at the game the after-party I Talking to EC. Yep, you know and I met you see we just started chatting and then I said, hey, I'd love to get on stop. It's been something I wanted to do and then phone send me an email, you know, couple emails down and couple months later. I have an internship and you know, it's silly in terms of being an athlete and going to the CrossFit Games the doors that that's open for for me as a coach. That's definitely yeah. I definitely think it's I definitely think it's one of those things where like if that if you have aspirations to do oh things and you don't utilize that notoriety like I think that's foolish. Yeah, but it way I the other question I have is is it true that during your internship you overhead squatted a participant and one of the After parties are not after party. But yeah, one of the socials yeah, so in turn one and I you know how it is like entering One Like You Gotta, you know, you just got to be there and yeah, don't be a nuisance and just be part of the team and I knew Jesus. And I knew like McDonald's any of the other guys on staff to already. So I was already very comfortable with everyone and yeah, I was I would think I was pretty much Fresh Off The Invitational. Okay, so it was like right after you Invitational so, you know CrossFit news, I clean and jerk the shitload of Wade blah blah blah anyway, so these girls were like acting like hey, can we take a picture with you and like yeah take a picture and then one girl was like my friend wants you to overhead squatter, and I remember I'm an intern. I got the black shirt. Like I looked at Jason and he's like leaning back. You know, Jason look like he's like, he's like, he's like, yeah that raspy voice. I love hearing Jomo. Tell that story. He's just like yeah, I think Trombley is going to be a good addition to the team if he can make it through one of the The internships with Jomo to and that's another funny one. It's like he was into kettlebells a lot. Yeah at that time and I was still like, you know competing a lot and I wanted to like train hard at lunch and he like took out some kettlebells and we started doing my Halos and stuff. And I know I'm I'm a rookie. So I'm like I shut my mouth and I just grabbed the Kettlebell and I just got him and Halos and whatever and then we did like this little work out. Anyways, I remember thinking like what the He'll but shut your mouth and just follow this follow the Flowmaster. That's great. So on that note, I think it's funny when people don't recognize that. Yeah, like they come on. Well, they recognize that like, you're like sometimes your job is to follow other people's lead where it's just like. Yeah. I'm like, I'm gonna do my own thing and I'm like hmm. Probably not a good idea. Yeah, and that doesn't Usually happen when people play sports or whole life. I know are like team sports. Yeah that team mentality that you have on staff is very similar to what we had growing up in our team sports. But yeah, if you know, you got to know how to be a rookie. You got to know how to how to take orders even even though you ya know, you're all scared and overall Ya Know Your Role Know Your Role, so I want to talk we talked about a little bit about About it when I did the podcast with you and Pete into our podcast, but I wanted to dive a little bit deeper because I wanted to talk about so there's not a ton of people on seminar staff who'd been to the game just like a handful, you know, like the game's kind of as it currently exists. I mean, I mean like post-2012 and kind of at what point did you kind of make that decision that you really wanted to be not just a good athlete, but you wanted to really dive into the coaching aspect to be like a world. coach Man, when I when I did my my level one, I remember seeing the guys up there and thinking these guys are so good at what they do and you know how you feel at your level 1. It's like I wanted to be the person giving that feeling to other people. Yeah, and I didn't really think I did think obviously like I want to become a better Coach and all that stuff, but I've always kind of thought that I would maybe make a tea. You're one day so and I was kind of a path. I was on originally in high school and little bit University. So it's like when I saw that and I saw the guys at the front and how good they were and how it was molding Fitness and teaching and coaching. I was just thinking like this is this is something I got to do. Yeah, so and and in turn how that helped my fill it is wildly invaluable like or he can't put a value to it. It's yeah saying what what I think Ink me getting on staff has done for for the gym just in terms of how many amazing people you meet. Like everyone on staff staff is just so awesome. You learn something every single weekend, you know, you're not the best coach on staff every single week and right you're getting feedback you're in there's something to be said about doing a job while someone is watching you, you know, no one's watching you at. Our affiliate, you know, it's just young people are get just getting used to the getting the routines and just staying normal staying. Yeah, not getting better as coaches and it's just as that's remotely impossible if you're on even if you just work once a month like I don't work that awesome, you know, I got my sheet in the mail the other day. I've only worked 65 seminars, right? Like I was actually kind of surprised like that's not that much. I am about a 15 a year. Okay. and even with that like what I've been able to learn or what I've been exposed to in terms of Flowmasters and coaches and you know, you're all affiliate owners to yeah every Saturday night you've made this podcast for exactly this right like yeah pretty nice dinners ideas that I've had for the affiliate and how to develop new coaches and bring people on board with you like all of that just stems from you know, basically having men Or is that it? Yeah, I've done it before me howdy when you because I always like to figure out like was there something that you did so because coaches always ask they're like, so obviously the question comes up, you know, I want to wear the red shirt. I want to be on staff and when you kind of made that decision, like was there something that you started doing in the affiliate every day, they're like, okay. This is what I need to get. Like. How did you start to essentially get better at like teaching seeing and corrected? I just think I just started thinking about it more. So one kind of big milestone for me was obviously doing my level 2 and yep realizing that I was a shitty coach so and and Like obviously that was eye opening and coming back to the affiliate always thinking like I'm not that good. Yeah. I was just told and I was just shown what a good coaches. Like I just saw it and this is not what I'm doing. So and that was basically it right the seeing correcting issue is was what we see on that level twos, right and that's usually the case so that that was the same thing for me. I remember Austin I had it with chicken with Molly all oh You know taking me taking my hand through the circle and saying like what do you see in this spot? What do you see and I remember thinking like I got nothing to say to this guy and I run an affiliate. I'm telling you man. Like I run this I think I'm a good coach like we're successful so far. So it was basically taking that with the after like I need to watch people move and that's when I started like really diving into the to the movements to how to make people better like in that That moment like I just started getting obsessed with like I'm going to watch someone move and I'm going to find something like I don't think I had that sort of mindset before that. And that was that was a big turning point for me just that leveled and realizing I'm shitty and there's always going to be someone better. And and how do you get better? You just every single time you watch them and move you guys think about it the I've always struggled with because people ask me the same thing and I'll give him drills and and different things to do but I always I always come back to the almost the same thing, which is you have to try harder if the high you have to try harder as a coach and we see this at level twos and I because I did I've done to level to use in the past 10 days. I did. I just I just had like a 10-day trip right at level one on the weekend. No, sorry level 2 in a weekend a level of Midway level one and level two on the weekend and and the level two participants. It was all the same. It was all they would coach for a couple minutes and they'll be like I think it's good and I would just ask him I could it be better and they're like, yeah. And I'm like then keep going and the like where do I start? And I'm like pick somewhere just pick something and if it's not perfect fix it, you know and and just trying to get people to turn that light switch on that like okay is not good enough that is when that's when I think you start to open up your eyes to like you watch people moving like, oh my God can fix so much more on all of these people and like just because it's not a disaster doesn't mean it's good enough, but it's always a lot of always been tough for me to like like Us that two people but what you would what you have and everyone on staff has is that exact same mindset but with your coaching as well? Yeah, you know everything that we say on the weekend like week we do like I and I tell people like you got to watch where you're looking for you gotta you know what I'm telling them to be better at movement. I'm I try to look at the way I coach and I think of the class that I just gave and I'm like, how literally how can I have made that one better like was you know was And having a good time in my class did Ice like I actually think about that and I didn't always think like that and that's what we kind of try and tell our coaches and it's really hard to tell part-time coaches that and to have them have the same kind of like passion and understanding. But you it has to go through your mind. Like you have to ask yourself at the end of the class and your projects. But you know, that's the name of your podcast but was that the best our today like could I have done better Goddamn it? Yeah, and it's um, it's just something that I was like some people just don't they don't know what they don't know. So we have to we have to exploit what you said, which is once once you saw somebody run a top-notch glass like it's in again. It's no different like playing sports when you when you Go up against a hockey player or somebody who's good at basketball. You're like, oh that's really good. I can't lie to myself about like where I'm at any more like well I sure as shit can't do that like that. I am not that cable. So I got to get back to work and I think the key has always been what I've always tried to do is like constantly trying to get that feeling over and over like it which is kind of weird is like constantly trying to put myself in a position where I feel inadequate all but all because all it does is drive me to be a better Coach is like yeah. What at what point am I going to no longer feel that way? I don't know probably never because it's just not in my nature, you know. Yeah, we have we have something a little bit on that same mindset or thought processes like at the gym. We have obviously Pete and myself and We have another partner Reza life started the gym with actually resin. I started the gym. Okay, we brought peed on later on. He's actually on kids stuff and the other day we were talking about like, you know, why is the gym successful and where could it be better? And what could we do to change your ball Allah and I told him like I think the gym is really good because we're in constant competition. Yeah, Mike and Reza was like, what do you mean? I'm like Reza when you're in my class. Class I want to give the best class possible because I want you to see it and I'm thinking like I want to be a better like I want to be a better Coach. Yeah, like I want to be a better Coach than P just like I want to be a better athlete than Pete. Yeah, you know, it's like and I'm I'm extremely happy if he is a better coaching me or or tries to be as well. But that's the competition. Yeah, and I feel like if I'm just stagnant or just getting used to the way I coach classes or used to my Then resident Peter getting an edge on me, you know, so like that's kind of how I'm thinking. Like I always want to impress them. If they're in my class. I want to impress them. If any of my coaches are in my boss wants them to leave the classic and like holy shit. That was an unreal class know that's why I asked myself that after Zach was it as an unreal class? Yeah. Now that you're bringing that up I do that so you get you so you have three coaches at your facility their own seminar staff. I have myself and another coach the Cassidy's okay is is my head. Co-chair and now that you say that I I do that too. Yeah, like he might not even be in the class. You might just be in the gym and I'll be like I'm gonna try to smash this class. And then yeah. Yeah, like I want like I want them to walk away thinking almost thinking like, I don't know if I could do that. Yeah, and you know what, let's take that even deeper I think about that and then I'm like well, wait a minute. It's just about me or I devote my members, you know, but then I'm like well, wait a minute if I want to give the best fucking class. Also, that means everyone in the class will benefit from that. Yes, exactly, you know, so it's like obviously the relationship is but it it almost say it almost starts at like this selfish need of being the best coach possible. Well, but I think it's it is selfish, but it's kind of not selfish. So I think there's a difference between like I like I want to compete and I want to win versus like I'm doing this so that everybody will recognize me and I don't think that's where like true competitors true competitors. Don't think like that. At that like in my mind like losers think like that like they're like, I want people I want people to shower me and with with love and affection. I'm like, I don't actually care. What I do care about is like I want to compete like and if nobody sees this one-on-one competition that we have. Yeah, I'm totally cool with that. But like it just it like it gets me fired up. So so do you guys regular give each other feedback at the facility? To each other not that often not that often in unlike our classes mainly because we do get a lot of feedback like during our cars and stuff like that. So, you know, we leave that to the weekend. We do give each other feedback on like other things obviously like we all have our different jobs at the gym. Like Reza takes care of all the programming Pete is called the class planning in that. I'm kind of the behind-the-scenes. Ins and the social media and stuff like that. So for each other like that, like hey, have you thought about trying this or doing that? Yeah. Well give a lot of feedback to the coaches at the gym. We have I think seven or eight other coaches one of them is full time. So we'll give them a lot of feedback and we'll organize like every every once in a while like a full week of of like feedback sessions where so us three we kind of established like that. Mentor-mentee relationship that we have on staff just at the gym. So piece got you know two or three of our coaches. I have two or three and then got it does so we kind of take care of our group. But yeah to each other not that much. Right now we don't we don't either it's more. It's more just it's more like in passing. It's still be a question about hey, how did you do this to your class like or or like hey, I was just walking through this this progression that I'm trying out like try it out and let me know what you think. Like, I don't know if it's going to work or not stuff like that. But yeah, it's much less to at least he and I like that kind of like official feedback. It's more so I do that with some of the other coaches though are just kind of pulling to the side and you know run through a lesson plan with them or stuff like that. I'll do it too little more frequent. I don't know. If you do this. It's all finished a class and sometimes I won't be happy with like something I did or how something went and all like I'll go fishing for that. Like I'll go talk to Pete and resin be like, what would you guys like? What did you do here? Yeah. I tried this and like I didn't like it. How did you coach this morning or whatever without them necessarily like seeing it or being there? So yeah, but and being able to bounce ideas with people and just yeah going back and forth is huge like like I don't understand how people run Affiliates by themselves like it's so hard that would be well I do because I used to do it and it was lonely man. It was not just like lonely like I'm in here by myself, but like it was like mentally lonely just like me and I don't have anybody to like the answer with to bounce ideas off of to be creative to like to challenge my thought process on things and to provide some other input on things. How do you so you guys have Owners at the gym. Yeah, so that's pretty rare. Yeah, it is so clearly. So my first question is who who was on seminar Staff first? You repeat me? Okay, you have it if you have authority their little bit. What do ya know but my seminars for sure. Yeah that so my question is I'm not actually I don't know that I'm aware of any Affiliates that have 300 Owners so that's a unique scenario and I know right out of the gate, you know, we don't talk numbers, but you know first first yet if you know anything about running an affiliate, you're like, okay, so jet first of all, they generate enough Revenue to pay three people have a head coach and then secondly, how like, how does that split work? It not not not regards to percentage. But how do you have essentially three Cooks in the kitchen? And how do you balance that relationship of like this is your swim Lane? This is my swim Lane. This is your swim Lane. Well, first of all, Someone told me to get a partner when we when I first wanted to open up a gym and I think that's really like, yeah, one of the best advice I've seen and and he say, huh, right because people say like not made, you know, watch out for partners. It's you know, it's like a marriage and it can end badly. All you hear about is these terrible stories and knock on wood. We don't have any yet, but and I've I've had this chat with an affiliate owner in Ottowa when he was talking and he's like well, I will you go. You guys are lucky. You know you guys are too he's you guys. Are you have a partner? I'm like dude that has nothing to do with luck. What what I want here. Here's what I'm lucky for. I'm lucky that we get along so well, but it was a conscious decision to go out and get a go out and get a partner. So that was that was 100% I would did not want to get into it by myself. And I don't think I had the knowledge or the expertise in CrossFit to do it by myself, right? So I needed fulfilled. Void and that's what Reza did for me. He was more experiencing cross through the better Coach, you know, so that's why we molded the two and it was awesome. But the the roles the roles in the how do you stay in your own lane? That's a really good question man, because honestly up until Recently, we haven't really set real lined. So which makes it even more interesting which means you guys know, I know you guys are kind of living off of like the good dude rule, which is like we're all good dudes. We like each other we can sort this out. Yeah, okay in terms of like some terms of like back-end stuff like percentage or percentages and that's yeah. Yeah, and and so it was only about recently that we started paying each other. Wages different. Okay salaries. Yeah, so just based on the work and the amount of classes that the people were doing because I think that's another thing that Filly owners don't do they don't pay themselves for classes. And then anyways, so we like okay. So these are the classes we coach this is the the stuff that we do outside and for a little while it was it was basically even so we figured out like a you do this. I do this he does this that's even across the board. So we'll add, you know x amount of dollars. Hours on top of all the classes that we coach as their salaries. So and then it was when we started so for the programming we did for a long time. I would program three weeks resident program three weeks and people program three weeks and we finally decided that just give it all to Reza. Yep, and it was when we also decided to sell the NCR program and just have like more of a streamlined process. We said okay. Well he's going to take care of this. I'll take care of this portion and then Reza's going to take care of that. And so to be honest, it's been it was a little wishy-washy who's doing what for a long time. Yeah, and then finally were able to just you know, set some pets and some real parameters but having said that since the beginning, I've always been the backend guy the yeah the bookkeeping the membership management software, but Andres has always been answer. Emails face-to-face programming. Okay. Yeah, so on that note so you guys have that kind of like sparse doubt between the three of you and everybody's kind of got like probably what there is where their skillset lies and then from a standpoint of What do you think makes an ass? Like what do you think makes it a successful affiliate? Like obviously you guys are doing it like you guys are in meaning like and like I really get bent about that statement, which is like we run a successful affiliate and I'm like, what does that mean? Well, if you're if you're making a living running your affiliate like that's a successful affiliate. So clearly you guys are doing that. But what do you think is it that makes you guys a successful affiliate? Or maybe not even you guys just like in general like, you know, yeah, it's funny because I think like yeah, we're successful affiliate, but man we could be so much more successful. Yeah different conversation. So I agree with you a hundred percent. It's like which which which we can encapsulate by literally everything we've talked about prior to this. So yeah. Yeah, you're right. We're gone conclusion. So successful affiliate. I really enjoy the fact that we're like you said like we're being able to Create a living for for more than one person. So there's essentially four of us that live off the gym. After your GM like I don't care if you have a hundred members or 500 are people consistently showing up your gym every day. And like that's the number that I look at every single day. How many people walk through the door and then I put that on my top number of members young like, how many is that? Is it 50% is is 60% is that we only see 35% of our members today and on a daily basis. We see over 50% like to me. I think that's that's one thing that makes a successful affiliate are people coming. I don't know that. Yeah, I don't think enough I do you bring that up? Like I've always I've always seen like the numbers in the past were like roughly 40 percent a day, but I would I would imagine that 50% is pretty high. Yeah, like and I bet you I bet you there's not a lot of people that track that to be honest with you. Yeah, how long when did you start when did you guys start tracking that migrants? Are you real quick? Start tracking that you know on a unofficial basis when we actually just started having people sign into classes. So for a long time, yeah for a long time and even ask you to sign into classes. We only started that maybe like two years ago. Okay. Yeah, because you don't have a cap on classes. They were just like well we're people signed in. Yeah, and I was Was very on top of of who owed money and built every like that's what you need that but once I started losing track of that and you know more members in the gym and you just need to have more of a process there and just no way of tracking anything if you don't have people signing into your gym, right? Thank you that number that is for sure the other thing so if you're tracking attendance, you're obviously tracking people who are absent and then like what Anna's what are you guys doing? With those people that you haven't seen in however many days it is. Yeah. Are you looking for your charger? Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking for Mighty. I'm gonna go find my something that like most people don't like I would I would venture to say like that that is like a major flaw for a lot of CrossFit Gyms is there they're like That's where like the globo gym. Not the globo gym is the word the orange theories of the world probably do significantly better is like Local Foods and that process for doing that and I was it's funny that you brought that up because it was actually something I was digging into earlier today because like I've never been super happy with some of the tracking metrics and some of the software systems because it like doesn't it's not always the easiest to find out if so-and-so has Been here in a week. And I and I yes, I understand that. Well, if you know your members you should just remember and I'm like, okay cool in theory. However, like I've got a billion things rolling through my mind and I'm not on the floor for every single class. So how in the hell am I supposed to remember 85 people that it's just not realistic. So I'm constantly trying to figure out a better way to like systematically because then you run to the other thing which is like people don't want to check in that's like God damn it. Yeah so hard. So what are you guys doing? Well what we did for it's been a process man, but like obviously every new member of the walks in and that's just the way they we do think so, they don't have an issue at the air into that. But the it's basically we just set up an iPad right beside the Whiteboard. I just write the name on the board that's on the iPad and if it's if your name is on the war, he didn't sign and sorry go sign in or you don't get a score on the board. And then it's like, you know or during the warm-up, I'll just take a look at the pendants and see who I can find it. Yeah. Hey you didn't sign in and that's that's the beauty of it's like. Oh, yeah. Well, you know my bills doing in my head. I'm like, yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very aware of that actually. But yeah, so and but we're talking about like data and tracking like a lot of it's it is it is hard and you kind of have to dig in their membership software to go find some important information. But yes people weren't showing up but also like the people that are have were the people inside your gym three months ago. Like how many of those people are still there like that, you know that churn rate or a year ago or six months and there's a lot of Life reports and changing this and dates and not like in the Software like there's give me that number. You know, I think that's the super valuable statistic to have like an inner percent. Yeah percent form and I think the cross pigeons would probably be a little bit higher than normal Jim's obviously but he would be surprised like there's a pretty there's still a pretty big turnover rate like even in our gym and we have a lot of members. We mean people leave people move people cancel the memberships. Yeah. I think it's too expensive, you know or new people come and so that's participating. I think there is pretty important. Like where do you spend your money on getting new members or keeping the ones that you have? Yes, and you know and I we've probably heard this like it's way cheaper to keep new keep members and to go get new and but at the other day people are going to leave so you still have to go out there and search for new members. Yeah, which is a tough Topic in the any answer is just like everything else in CrossFit is like you have to do both you have to do everything possible to keep who you have. But you absolutely cannot ignore the fact that like if you're not dead Our being you know, the the subset of sales and bring in new people like you are in deep shit like because we can all we can all hang our hat on like we have the best coaching have a great Community. We have like, you know, really low churn rate blah blah blah blah, but I mean that is the nature of the gym business is turn over like it's like it's it's one of those things were like when you look at it and you look at like how often you're going to have to resell or replace somebody it's almost you look at those metrics. Like why would anybody do that for? Business. Yeah, like that's really worth it. Wait a minute. You mean they're only going to stay for three months and like we have people that have been with us for years. Yeah. I mean like I would say most of our the bulk of armors with us. I like more than three years. Yeah, but we do have the other ones that are here for like six months and then they're just got just not for me anymore. And I'm like God like, how did we fail on that? Like, what did we not deliver, you know Wonder like what how can someone Be so into CrossFit and fitness and working out for like three four five months and then stop I don't get it. What happened? I don't like how do you not like and they've seen the benefit like I weave you seen it happen like someone comes at for a year loses. It should load of weight feels great comes all the time and then just like Fizzles out and not doesn't just go to another gym just stop stops. Yeah, and I don't I think my thesis on that is like they didn't love it or they didn't feel wanted in the community. Right? So like the reality is like we both have been running Affiliates long enough to know that most people don't leave CrossFit Gyms because they have like a bad experience they leave because they for whatever reason became indifferent to the experience absent of like the exercise meaning like they I don't know name any number of weird things that are kind of like intangible like Nobody said their name enough times or like we didn't reach out and text them and ask them why they weren't there or you know, they had a they didn't get a PR for a while and and and the reality like we both know that that doesn't even really matter because they dropped, you know, 12 pounds of body fat. So I think that's why and it's like sometimes it's just really tough and we all win we get emotionally attached to that. We're just like God man like you're doing yeah, like you're gonna you don't know it yet. But like you're going to regret that at some point like, yeah, and it's Hard to not take that personally as well, right? It's like men getting they're getting results. They seem like they're enjoying it. And then I just start thinking like did I do something like yes, it's like a breakup. Like, is it me what? Yeah, and I think honestly like after a little while it couple years of owning the gym. I still think about that, but I have to let that go like yeah, you know what maybe it is. Maybe it is maybe it was you maybe he just didn't like you and that's the nature of These small businesses that were built on community and it's very very possible that people come your gym for a couple months and they realize that Paul guy I you know, I don't really like them. He's too intense. Yeah, maybe you know, so I'm gonna go somewhere else and that's totally fine. Go find the community that you enjoy that make sure that you keep moving. Yes. And now I've I've I have always said this and I will always serve this I would prefer it's somebody does CrossFit It in somebody else's facility than not doing it. All like if you left my facility and you had one of two options which was not do it or do to somebody who's just facility 100% of the time. I'm taking Anna doing it. Somebody else's facility. Like I would just prefer that. Yeah, and then you here where they go and you're like, oh wow. So on that note. So you guys so NCR CrossFit NCR you guys offer affiliate we go Soulful her like a multiple multiple tracks of programming and In your programming. What do you guys like have a goal in your programming? Like what are you trying to achieve in your programming either for the affiliate or the athletes for those coaches? So for our goal for the affiliate is just to make their lives easier and just like like any other affiliate programming that's out there which is a lot once your research everyone selling affiliate program and it's kind of use that affiliate model to build a connection with them. You know, you try to build a connection with your Members I like to build a connection or try to with the Affiliates that are on board. And I know that that you know honest on the larger scale that's probably not possible, but we're still super small, you know, and what we try to do is just we want we want Affiliates to run better classes like we want them to just find a way to to or help them find a way to give a better product that they are not giving a good product to start with but just Helping that with that and it's hard it's hard because you know programming is programming and yeah, and it's a really it doesn't matter what program you're following but it's the structure of the class and making sure that you know, it's programmed accordingly with the warm-up with the skill and that you know in the planning of that class that there's proper progression and that there's a nice flow to the class. So our goal and you see I'm just talking about the affiliate because basically Okay, that's all I care about. Yeah, like I want I want people on the NPR program as individuals. But what that creates is that person doing that work out by themselves in the corner of another person's Jim and I don't like that. Yeah. No, I agree and I ask because we're getting ready to launch our programming and I feel like we're going to launch best our programming. It's going to be entirely affiliate based. We're gonna have individual track programming if they want it, but I don't know I don't particularly care about that. What I want to do is the same thing you do. which is I want people to have like the best out of their day and I think people could do better there and it's not because they're not trying to do a good job as because they don't know any better like we already discussed the what is it? I guess two questions. The first one is what do you think? It is most Affiliates and coaches could do better in that 60 Minute window. What could they do better they could coach? All right. So elaborate would you in our book to give people a tangible things to do in their movement to help them better? It's at to help them better or it's just you know to actually watch them moves the incorrect and you know help them. So it's a An answer and it's a quick one, but it's just a coach more like you where you're not just explaining the workout at the Whiteboard. You got to you got to get in there. You gotta, you know, during the warm-up. You got to talk to them. You got to watch them move, you know, during the workout everything. So I think one of the reasons why we give that class outline is not necessarily like hey follow this to a tee minute by minute. It's just to give reminders like Hey, we're teeth we're going over this today. Here's the Suggested progression here are things to look for it's like psycho. If a person doesn't do that already the read that as a coach and be like, oh, okay, then I'll start looking at that and maybe you know, I'll see something more. It's just a reminder like get in there like every rep is an opportunity for you as a coach to jump in and and that's that's kind of a goal there. What could they do better Coach get in there? I think I asked that question. I knew what you were going to say, but Ask is I think it's important to people? To hear that specifically coming from somebody like you who you know is a competitive athlete who has lived a large part of their CrossFit life doing probably pretty high volume training and but still understands and graphs. What should be happening in a 60 Minute window and what the effect on that in on your members is because I would agree, you know, if we were just down in Raleigh and you know, we had an awesome experience it at every gym that we went to went to Ten gems in four days, but I walked with the same thing. I'm like man. I'm like What's Happening Here is amazing. Like people are getting Fitness. They're losing weight. They're having a good time. I was like what they can all they could all get coached a little bit better and I in some people might be listening to this and thinking me look. Well. It's kind of a dick thing to say, it's not like it's the truth like in my affiliate as well. Like we can always do things better and that is like the goal right with and I think that if we Would if Affiliates would look at what their service is and and treated the same way do we do in the level to which is like Hey, we're not calling you out because you're a bad person. We're calling you out because they could be better right? It's nothing it has nothing to do with you. Like it's just like there's a you could be more efficient like you could say this better. You could you know run through this progression faster. You could explain it a little bit more clearly like you could do all of those things and I don't Enough of us put a like a like a fine enough kind of like lens on that aspect of the you know, everybody's like we have great programming like the facilities great. We got skier. Can we got all this other crap and I'm like cool. I don't care like I don't care, you know. Yeah, and you're also You know from your point of view, you're also trying to coach better, right? Yeah, you're also during your class at the end of your class. Like I said earlier like you look back you like did I actually coach everyone did I give everybody a little something you know, and you know, I can think back in my class this morning right near the end of men those people in the corner. Like I didn't get to them as much as I wanted to, you know, and I remember thinking like damn it. All right, so Yeah, I felt the same way the other day. I was teaching I was drunk. I was like I've been playing around with like different like I've been trying to come up with like different progressions to teach the skier because it's like it's fairly intuitive and it's like yeah, you can get on there and just pull but most people don't do it very well and I'm like man, how can I get these people to do this right and learn to like, you know move their hips and then their hands even though they already know that but they're not doing it here for some reason and it's like walking and I was like in there by myself like doing it and like and then I tried it a next class and I like Napa. In work, I didn't really like it like my going to find a better way to do this. You know. Hey you trying different things. It's amazing and it's like sometimes when I think that you know, I answer your question by saying they should coach like like you said, they could be listening to this and say what a dick but we literally do everything that we tell our participants to do. Yeah, like in terms of just trying to think about getting better and looking for faults and seeing for acting and all that jazz. Like we do a tomb and so it's like I could be a better Coach and if the experience that I have I can put on paper and send it to an affiliate owners to say. Hey read this this is how I would leave this class. Hopefully this helps and that's you know, that's the service of that we sell that we offer that's cool. Yeah, and there's enough Affiliates worldwide man. You know, it's not a saturated market, right? There's no there Steve thousand Affiliates and a lot of them need help a lot of them need help. I think I think collectively we all could use help in one in some aspect or another like nobody's immune to it. And it's just like yeah find out what works for you the best and you know, like and we like it best out of their day. Like we never really intended to write programming because you know, it's just kind of like, why would we write programming? We're not like special like most people that do that are Like games level folks and I'm like, that's not the point like want to send it be one of the games. I'm like, I know how to run a fucking good class. Like I also know how to write lesson plans and I know how to put together progressions and I know where people get tripped up in their classes, right? So it was like, we I look at it this way. It's just like we're going to like our programming. Largely. What yours is to what it sounds like is I'm designing a program that gets people fitter and develops your coaches simultaneously, right? So, I'm actually I'm actually chasing the Churches via the programming because that is the fundamental thing that we all have to navigate every single day, which is like you come in. There's a workout. I'm like everything is built on top of the workout like whatever it is. It's like the experience is built atop of the workout. The lesson plan is built atop of the workout the coaches ability to see th see and correct and group manager group is all built on top of that work out. So for me, it's like I don't really care about the work out like To some extent it's really hard to write shitty programming like ya know just like yeah, you know, like it's fairly simple if you keep it simple, but that but like we're going to build everything on top of that. So it sounds like that's like that's doing which is like, you know giving coaches something to think about which is like hey use this bergner progression and or try this handstand push-up aggression or something like that. So that's cool. That's what I think people and I think there's I think there's a lot of people that are just Programming but not giving the coaching aspect of it and I think yeah or they'll give coaching notes or whatever and talk about stimulus. But like I mean a lot of people can do that, right? There's a there's a lot out there. So you got to shop around and see what what kind of value you're getting for her than for the you're paying for sure. That's really cool. Do you guys have any you guys do you guys do any like yearly goals for the gym for the affiliate? No, no, I have a number. I have a number of athletes that I'd like to be at but not on a yearly basis just like yeah, I feel like I we can we have the capacity for another. A hundred members. What do you want me now like 330. So I love that you said that because I have I have this weird probably grandiose belief that every CrossFit gym can have four hundred athletes now. I don't know how I don't know how to do that. But I do think that's a real scenario. Yeah, and and here's my math you have you see 50% of people on a daily basis. So you have 400 members you have 200 people walking through your door you have you you have 20 people per class ten classes a bomb. Anybody can have 400 members. What is stopping you from having fun remembers? If not sighs. It's exactly it's not size of the facility. It's not the equipment that you have. You can have ten classes a day 20 people in every class. And and run a good affiliate in 5,000 square feet three thousand square feet 10,000. It doesn't matter. So yeah, so it's 400 is definitely doable. It's possible. But yeah, it's it's it's you it's the affiliate and it comes back to when you were asking like what makes you guys as a successful affiliate. A lot of Affiliates are going to say this with me. We have the we have unreal coaches. It's just like we spend so much time developing ourselves as coaches developing our new coaches, you know through our internship process and everyone will say like yeah, we have an internship wrote. That's cool. It's great that you have one as good as ours. Yeah, and it's in my head. I think you guys can say that because like your coach is now have credentials like they've been vetted through the highest levels, right? And I think that's different than we like. Everybody says they have great coaches. But my question is I was like based on what like you think they're great. That's like that's like Being like I'm handsome because my mom says I'm handsome like yeah, my mom loves me and I could be, you know, cross-eyed and she'd be like, you're the best. You're my my mom my mom. My mom would be like, you're my favorite son. I'd be like Mom. I'm your only son, you know, you're the best. You know, I think it's like we have to stop looking at our our own Affiliates through rose-colored glasses and be like are my coaches really that good or am I just saying that because it makes me feel good. You know, what often think Fern is all think if I put this coach in front of Jason or in front of Austin coaching a class. What would they think would I be embarrassed what I'd be happy whatever you proud and that's a sort of a process. I think like then it's if I'm not happy with that then it's my job as an affiliate owner to make sure that this person is good. Not just for the for the product that we're offering. But just roll basically actually for that for the product that we're offering. Yeah, my my prior to this I feel the same way and I look at it a little bit differently. Even on a more like egregious scale, which is Anybody that says that I'm like would you be willing to flip on Facebook alive and just have your whole class for the world to see? And I'm like, there's a lot of people that would fucking backpedal real quick. If I was like that like and I feel like we could do that, but I'm also fully aware that like we could be better and there would be absolute legitimate legitimate criticism of what we do and that's okay. But but I'm not embarrassed of what people would see like I'll be like you're going to see a great class that is just like anything else that could be improved and that because that they're at no point. Is that not a sin? Rio but anytime soon we have great coaches on Mike how great is great like, you know, you can put that on the old interwebs and see if it's a great or what like, you know, yeah, I think you asked me a good question. They're in their podcast. If I if I remember correctly when we did it with Pete and was like how How do you get better the coach like you say like get better get better, you know, but like how do you do that? How does someone do that at their affiliate by themselves without the luck of getting on staff and being exposed to all the great trainers in the world like and seeing all these people squatting and deadlifts that aren't your regular members. Like how do people actually go out and get better? I think. I actually don't think it's hard. I just think it's the same way you and I got better at hockey and basketball and I don't know how much film you watched of yourself playing hockey. But I watched somebody watched you play hockey. Like I know for me, I watched endless hours of film of basketball of myself not because I wanted to see myself play basketball because I analyzed every possible thing that was going on at the court and any given time and I don't think there's any reason people can't do that for their CrossFit classes, you know, like set up a GoPro in the corner and just watch yourself coach a class. Even if you don't know anything about what you're looking at, I guarantee you you would find something to critique yourself on. Yeah, I 100% guarantee you you would be like I talk too much or this logistical layout was a nightmare or I was late simply because the clock on the wall in this video says that I started the class at 5:03 and it's the class starts in five, you know, so I think you know, I don't I don't think people should rely solely on video, but it's a pretty powerful tool just to like Smash yourself, you know the watch yourself and get other eyes on you but you know, that's also what the fine. Well, that's the point right is like like if I can watch the video I can give it to anybody else to watch it. Like you can you can put an hour's worth of video on Vimeo like it you have to go home and download it but like whatever do you want to get better or not as my question, like let that shit upload overnight and then send it to somebody back watch this. I'm like You know like and any one of us would be happy to do that, you know, so that's that's what I think people to do. I don't think people are seeking it out. That's that's my personal opinion. So we get comfortable right? There's some people in their affiliate or they're afraid of or they're afraid of finding out that they're not that good like you and I both did at some point. We're just like God I suck at this like I should probably get better what a realization change my life. Hey my life. It's all right. And everything different like when I realized I was a shitty coach. Yeah, I mean Anna and I keep telling myself that yeah every day. I'm like, yeah, like these people really pay me for this. No I some days I feel like that but like that's a sliding scale right? Like it's like my bad day is not the same as somebody else's bad day and vice versa. Yeah. Yeah. My goal is to never good. Sometimes you finish. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's some days or bad class. Like I don't know. I don't know how much people actually see that or realize it, you know because like sometimes I'll finish your class. I will in my wife and she's like what's wrong. I'm like that wasn't shit class like yeah, you know this happen. That she's like well, I think everyone had a great time. Like I nobody noticed any of that. So you're fine. Well, that's why that's why I think I think at some point other people don't notice it because the skillset gets to a point where like with the things that you notice are not noticeable to the untrained eye. Yeah, you know, does that help you kind of let go of a lot of things right? Like no because I still judge myself on it and I'm just like I'm like that's unacceptable like what like Like what that shouldn't happen. I've been doing this too long. And then I'm like every year always going to like nobody is immune to that it's going to happen. But I think it was I think it was James who Hobart who like hit me with this one and this was about seminar, but I took it into my classes which and he was giving me some feedback on like running groups and just lectures in general and I don't think it was anything specific to me, but it was just kind of more like a lesson which is like listen mistakes happen, right like you're going to be over you're going to be under like you're Forget things all of that is part of the whole process. He goes that's not what's important or kind of like what I think his words are like that's not what I'll get upset about. He's like I'll get upset. If you don't know why if you're just kind of like aimlessly floating around and you don't know why your class was late or why your lecture is over or why you're like, you don't know that your group is running over he goes now. We have a problem because there's a lack of awareness there. But like what you said is like you're immediately doing an evaluation of your class. S afterwards just like I am and you know, if see if you walked up to me immediately after a class I can tell you all the things that I would change about it immediately. I'm like I lost four minutes over there. I forfeited to it the white board because they were messing around I should have broken the rowers out sooner like all those things. Like I know that stuff. Yeah, and that's what I don't think enough people. I think they clock in and then they clock out and there's no critical evaluation of what they just did each time to step on the floor. So how do you have that if you're just a coaching? Don't own it the prostitute right? Yeah, I think you well. Yeah, but I think I think there's just some intrinsic like either you want to do this or you don't you know, yeah, but that's another that's another discussion about incentivizing people to want to do it for a living. You know, like if you stated earlier, it's hard to it's hard to really push hard on. Somebody does his part time. So yeah, cool. Well dude. This has been awesome. Yeah. Thanks for having me man. Absolutely dude. Anything else you want the folks to know about? Paul Haas Tremblay or start transmitting maybe for another episode? Okay. I've me back on like this. I'll have you back on and so we'll hit up here. I'll get peed on there. We'll talk about you that how he's now surpassed you as a competitive athlete and then and then and then I think it'd be cool to have you guys both on so yeah, we'll set it up cool. Enjoy your weekend off dude. I know I got one off too easy. Alright guys, if you guys got questions for Paul or just about anything they got or about their affiliate programming hit us up will pass you guys on but you can just look it up just NCR crossfitters a CrossFit NCR it CrossFit into the area and we sell the NPR program. Yeah, hit it up. Check it out. 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On today episode Fern chats with Paul Tremblay. Paul has a very impressive resume in the Crossfit space. He owns CrossFit NCR with two business partners, opened back in 2013. Paul’s made it to the games multiple times as an individual and five times on the demo team, most recently this year with James Hobart. He’s been seminar staff since 2015. Also, Paul recently joined the Coaches Development Program team. - Yes, Paul is a pretty impressive dude. During the episode, Fern and Paul cover everything they can between how being an athlete helped him bee better coach, to his internship on staff. Along with having multiple members of the seminar staff team, not only work at his gym but co-owns it with him. They discuss what it’s like to have numerous owners running one box, making it successful so they can all make a living from it. Did you catch the exciting upcoming project that is in the works for the best hour of their day, that launching next year? - If so I hope you guess are as excited as we are. Find us on Instagram: @besthouroftheirday + @thejasonackerman Check out our website - besthouroftheirday.com - to learn more about our private coaches development group  ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 