It's a very good run for Hurley Hurley and Lane six. Can Donetsk catch him challenging the world record? No less to and he's got it Robert Hurley 23 to for another world record has fallen in Sydney. Hey guys, welcome to the very first podcast swimming with Bobby. And today we have world champion Matt Wilson Matt. How does that sound of you? Call the world champion Still Still bit weird actually hasn't really sunk. Sunk in yet. I mean that was a couple months ago now but yeah, I mean world champions just a weird weird ring to it to me. Well, that's your new title world champion. And as I said, it's our very first podcast swimming with Bobby, we're here to talk about all things swimming breaking down Life as a swimmer training sets traveling performances. So thanks for sitting down with us. Thanks for having me. It's an honor to be the first one off the bat. So we have was talk swimming. Alright, so the week of the world Champs leading into gwangju in Korea. You just been on fire in 2019, you know New South Wales States in February 208 V in the 200 breaststroke come Nationals in April 207 150 meters underwater record pace and then 207 again at the trials. What was what was that whole year leading into from sort of January before Korea training camps, you're racing faster had a bit of a hamstring injury. So, how did all that go to processing and swim faster the same time? Yeah. I mean, I think it was more of a confidence thing for me with my racing when I hit that 208 at States. Like you said that was easily the fastest in season swim up done in my life. Was that a PV at the time? Although it was just over it was .3 over from what I did at Pax the year prior and I mean, yeah, it was just like a confidence boost knowing that I could. Swim that fast without rest and like well I could do with rest. I never expected to go for 207 one broken world record in Australian record in that late. I actually did have a slight hamstring tear or strain leading into that. So we didn't even know if I'd be racing originally. Yeah, I drop that to I-71 and that really put me in contention to metal at world. If not win, so we went on a training camp. And so we're really not go down and it's a bit of heat get a bit warm weather was that straight off April all that was like a couple a couple of weeks after I think it was here during May then we had a couple weeks back in Sydney and then we race the Sydney open there which was a bit rough for me. But to 10. Yeah when 210 210 is pretty rough now is that to 10 years to be world-beating, you know, just five or six years ago years ago that was up there. But now I Everyone's going 207 and it's a lot flatter. I feel like everyone's really in the race now. But yeah, I mean off the back of that had a couple weeks rest of them qualified for worlds of the choice 7-7 wasn't my best swimmer, but we're done happy to admit that but got myself a spot on that team got the win and then it was really about the five weeks leading Two Worlds where it was. Couple weeks of really hard really intense training and then coming back down and making sure that I was rested and gonna pay for that 200 brushstroke really, you know, tell us about that that five weeks. It's the first time Australia has done the clothes trials before the world Champs and you've made the past two Australian teams in 2017 and 2018, but that sort of style he had three months to train from trials to to the big competitions and you've been swimming being quick or year and then you obviously nailed that five weeks to then take another step forward at in Korea. Yeah. So after trials we had just a couple weeks at home, which I think really helped last year. I think it was a bit too along the way from home. So we had all week at home and then four weeks in Cannes nagaoka and Tokyo. So this time it was a week in Kansas for me myself. Some people did the two weeks again because they like that we had an option which was good. So I did awakened cans and then I went awake and I got Oka no-go because very very quiet place not much goes on there, which is probably really good for us to get into that race mindset. Just get away from the hustle and bustle of I mean for me Sydney and and as where the team's going before Tokyo Olympics as well, right? So a bit of a home base for the Australian team. Yeah like a home base for us. So we'll be doing that again next year. I'll probably do the same thing a week a week. And then a week and the village or assuming I make the team home. But yeah, so we did that and then we can go go go where we did some pretty intense training for the first half of the week and then started to come down back after a week. There's a lot of time trials a lot of a lot of people coming to watch us which was pretty interesting that all cheering us on which was which is good for a session. I really like you don't get that every every day. Having that was pretty special and then off the back of that. We went to went into the village and gwangju. I mean the village was interesting. I mean the food was very nice. They are the rooms. Probably not the best we've ever. I'm our went to come games the year before so nothing is probably going to be that that was amazing. The rooms are booked a bit half-finished, but I mean actually it was yeah comfortable enough that I could perform. And then yeah, then we knuckle down and got into racing. All right. So the week in nagaoka before you left, you said you did some pretty hard sets and time trials. Let's get stuck into some swimming talk. What what did you lay down? And did you did you really impress yourself on that week to give you confidence or when did you really get that that belief that you could do something special? Yeah, I mean that week was probably one of the biggest weeks where I got my confidence up and I was like, yeah, I can like do something special here. Yeah, especially you Hundred like we're doing a few broken hundreds where I do a dive 50, then I push 50 10 seconds after so I was diving 27 points in training which is seated. Yes, sir. Yeah, which is pretty good for myself. So I was going seven High seven minutes and then I'll turn around pushing a 29. So so I was like, I'm gonna do something in this hundred hopefully. Yeah and then even in like the stuff we're doing 450s back-to-back and I would go a dive 28 whatever it was and then push 29 push 30-point lowers. So there was also like I can back it up. I can do a good of those 50s on 50 or 60. Wow, that's impressive. Yes. I think it was on 60 to start with and then got down a bit. But before that we'll do any like we do three lots of eight 50s so it starts out. One tab the first or one tenth and like one minute and fifty and then just finish it and that's some of the hardest stuff I do because I like a broken 400 breaststroke breaststroke pretty much I have to hit 30 points for yeah all of them or faster. Yeah. So I mean when I was doing that I was doing that in Townsville as well and I was like, come on like I'm gonna do something good here. Yeah. Well, I could definitely say there's not many guys in the world that could do. Do that and you know on the Australian team, we've got Zak stub. Let it cook as well who got fourth in the Turner breasts that worlds. Are you doing this with him? Because I've heard he's a pretty tough trainer to yeah. He's a very tough guy. He's shown me a bit. We had a camp on the Sunshine Coast in it was just before Nationals. So probably March March Yeah, March and then he was tailing me up. So it wasn't like particularly fit back then but he was just telling Like pushing he pushes 29 and 30 points in the regular as well. And he's a very impressive trainer when we were in Agra. Okay. We didn't do too much together. We did our own individual things because we're very different soon as we are very different race plans. So I was doing my thing he was doing his thing but I mean prior to that we had done a little bit of work together and it was it was interesting to see how he how he trains and how he puts his race plan together in training. Yeah, he could he could be one to watch next year. But like you said that that 200 meters is is pretty open as well, isn't it? So, let's get stuck into into Korea to your second world Champs. You did swim Budapest 2017 and and made a final there. So obviously, you know, your goals and expectations coming in were a little bit higher leading into gwangju and then day 100 breaststroke in the morning 59 1pv. Take us through that. Yeah, I mean I felt very smooth in the water. I probably didn't race it perfectly, but I raised it really well. So I probably overrated just a touch at the end of my rice which probably pushed me away from that 5900 and upb coming in with what 59 six or so. Yeah II PV, which I was stoked with. I'll start to go 59:1 and now I'm under the qualifying time for Tokyo next year already. Hopefully I can repay that but you know, it puts you as the fastest Australian over a hundred which opens up to medley relay is now as well. So yeah, exactly. So hopefully a bit more of a metal shot next year. But I mean Jake Packard still there. He's still 59 to swimmer didn't have the best year last year, but I mean, he's a resilient bloke so he's going to bounce back big and it's an Olympic Year everyone steps up. But yeah that hundred for me. Me was just like the start like I just as soon as I did that I was like I'm going to be on this week. Like I'm going to have a good week and then went into the semi-final I went just a touch slicing else 59 to and I came tent so I like I miss the US final by 0.03 0.04. There's a close. Margin. I wasn't disappointed I was disappointed but I wasn't like shattered because of it like I'd put my Foot forward I still think it was a pretty good race. I hadn't been faster than 59 six prior to that. So I was very happy with twice the I don't slice in the same day. So I was happy with that. Yeah, I know for me as a swimmer you can do all this training and gain all this Confidence from training in your sets and time trials, but it doesn't count until you get it done in a race, right and you always want to or for me. I always wanted to have a good first race and that just set up the rest of the week. So So 59:1 you must have been feeling pretty good and then just written here took oven by Landon took off being the world champion. Balandin the Olympic champ. They only go similar times 5902 59:1 they scrape into the final finished seventh and eighth but like yourself that have one eye on the 200-meter race. So at that point after the first day of the world Champs who you sort of looking at and who you're sizing up for this 200 meter race, or are you just focusing on yourself? I mean, I switch my focused. The medley relay quite honestly, I mean I thought we had a very very good shot leading into it at winning being a u.s. We rely so that was my main focus. But in terms of who I was looking out from the 200, I mean just got was the big one. I knew he was going to go under the world record. He was he was scaring it for so long that he is. I just knew I was going to do it. I mean, it'd be a follower record. There was also there is also someone else keeping my eye on but yeah, my main focus was on the medley relay mix medley relay. The I think it was two days after where I thought we had a really good shot at winning. Yeah, so you have day two and three off so so two days off come in for the mix medley relay 58:8 breaststroke split in the morning. And then I think pretty big-time 58 3 at night so lacking on the back stroke. McCain and Kate Campbell win gold coming Kate comes over the top of Simone manual. Everyone's cheering a home. So goal for the Australian team first world championship gold medal and you proved to be one of the crucial members of that split that of that relay team with a with a big split. So, how's that? Yeah. I mean, I think that was the best hundred brushstroke I've ever bloody done in my life. I went to less Strokes about hundred and I've ever done or actually to less Strokes that I did in the hate of the the hundred breaths where I went through, you know, one drop to 58 3, so I was stoked with that. Honestly, I turned around and I saw my split come up and I was like and I was like hell, yeah, I got it will behind by Will behind Russia at that point, but I was like hell, yeah, like I just dropped a massive swim. Yeah, and it felt awesome and I like game a bit of confidence going in tomorrow as well. I was so confident. She's building. Yeah continuing to feels continuing to build. And then yeah, I mean in the last 10 meters of that Rice was so intense. I was screaming. Okay, and I think you can say I'm like the broadcast I'm like looking behind because it was the TV behind us and I couldn't really see it was in front. So I look behind me because they got like an overhead shot to say get a better view of the see if I Kate was in front or some owners in front and Kate. It was leading. I was like we're going to do this we're going to do is and then on the top Kate didn't have the best touch. I don't think and all Simone had a very good touch and I was like, oh, I don't know anymore. And I looked up and we won by 0.02 and I just I just went all it's crazy. It's crazy feeling doesn't get any better than that. So that's that's day for last event of the night. You've got gold medal. So there's metal presentations press conferences possibly a drug test as well coming down off that night knowing thing that you've got your main race to and a brush stroke in probably like 12 or 14 hours time. So, how do you how do you bring yourself down? How do you sleep at night actually surprisingly. Well, oh and pretty much straight to bed. So I got home at like 1:00 in the morning or something, but I went straight to bed. So I got did I went straight to bed and I had probably have one of the best transitions I've had from going to the pool going back home and getting to bed. So I had the drug. I did have a drug test, but I got that done at about 10 minutes because I The to go instantly after the rice. So I was holding on during medal presentation and was like crap. Let's go like let's get out of here and then massage them down. So I did like my 802 a ke saamne down got out got for massage therapists age limb just flushing flushing me out. And then I was on that bus and straight to the dining hall then quickly get something to eat and straight to bed. I was actually very smooth transition. And I woke up. Like not feeling great but like not horrible as bad as I have felt in the past and yeah, I mean it showed in the morning swim as well and it is and what contributes to that like it experience and I'm not sure that two years ago. If you want a gold medal you probably would have been game over the next day a hundred percent. I mean, there's definitely a couple years of experience I've had with the swim team. I mean one of probably 2017 I would have been a bit too touché. You're too nervous to ask for all that help from everyone. That's what they're there for there to help you. So now I kind of realized that and I am using that now I'm using that better than I have in the past. So that's attributed to why I'm backing up better than I have and your performances. I would think your performances command that you know, you're one of the leaders of the Australian team in like you said you broke the Commonwealth record leading in so, you know myself and And a lot of people had had eyes on this 200 breaststroke race for yourself enters actor to see how it unfolded and and that was another relay that Australian one. They're halfway through worlds and think at that point you had Ariana had won the women's relay had one Mac corn and had done his thing. So what was the vibe and and the momentum of the whole Australian team even before you stepped up for that too and a brush stroke because it looked like it was a good team atmosphere. Yeah that Sphere was one of the is probably actually it was the best. I've been a part of everyone was getting getting along like everyone was in High Spirits because everyone was performing and that that happens with good performances. I everyone's gonna be happy when they around but yeah, I mean having that atmosphere around me personally, I reckon definitely contributed to my performances because I wasn't being shut off just to myself my own thoughts. I had people coming over and talking and we're just having fun with it. In like the warm-up or warm up area will just like having fun having a chat. I mean it didn't really feel like it was a high-pressure situation in that area. But when we got behind a blocks that's when like you switched on and that's when race it was race mode. So it's good to not to get into race mode too early for so to be able to relax even at the pool get your stretching down warm up and then only switch flicked the switch on when it needs to be huh? Yeah, I think so because if you spending all that time, just thinking in race mode prior to at least spending hours if not days and just thinking about racing. You're just going to be mentally spent a very flat and with logic, I think that's my thinking behind it. Yeah. Yeah, and then to the breaststroke Heats day five in the morning 207 2.1 off your TV off your Commonwealth records Under World Record Pace again for the first three laps. So and it looked super smooth that I know I spoke to Adam up. The race is very happy. Yeah, I mean that was one of the easiest to i7 ever. Do you reckon I was three Strokes less than the first 50 and then I was a few more Strokes less than the Third and fourth as well. Well actually a lot on the fourth because usually I'm at 2021 in the last 50. I was probably 14 or 15 just cruising along as well, which was we did a commentary box. We thought what you're going to get the world record in the morning. You might just trying to get like that top. Like top four so I could get like a line for line 5 and it's one of those events where we don't know what what the qualifying in the same is was but 210 potentially actually could have missed the semifinals. So you did AA even though you're at or seven guy you had to be switched on didn't yeah. Yeah, I think 210 might have been like to 10 very low might have been the cutoff. But yeah, I got you have to be switched on in the devil definitely to be switched on in the morning. Otherwise you risking missing a Final or final or whatever thinking about the final you might not even make the semi exactly right? Like you can't be getting ahead of yourself and just trying to relax completely like there is a point where you can look for me. I can switch off a bit in that heat in that semi-final. I wanted to try and put down a fast time but like trying to get a spot in the the final wasn't thinking about breaking a world record or any of the I was just thinking About getting a spot in the final. Well, what about after their Heats, you know your only point six off that world record. There's you know, I came up and said not to you but she's is 30 grand us for a world record. I don't know if you knew that but where you going for it in the Senate afterwards we going for it in the same ease knowing that the final was still to come you're on fire every swing that you've done at this point. I'd been good. Anyway, what were your intentions going into that semi-final? I mean, I was going to go a hundred fifty like a done before hundred fifty like as my race plan and then see where I was in the race and if I was behind and I would have to keep going if I was in front by a fair bit. Then I'd switch off and I turned I was in front. And I kept going a bit and then I could hear the crowd. So I thought I thought like surely someone's catching up to me. I was like no, I'm gonna go keep going and I felt really good. So I was like, you know, I'll just keep going and see what time I can put down and then I hit the wall I turned around and I was Shocked firstly to say little world record symbol next to my name. I was like, holy crap what I did not just do that. I mean, yeah, it's just I was just blown away, but I still actually can't really quite Get it to sink in that I've done that even if it was for a day. I mean and at what point after the race did you realize that it was an Eco world record, which is again is another very very rare thing to happen. Yeah, actually I realized pretty quickly as soon as this all my time. I say that's that time seems familiar. That's the one you get your eye on for exactly. So I turned around and like I saw where I go that I was like so what I like are equal like still but like yeah, I was just still In shock that I did that yeah. I remember. I mean that was exciting but again coming off a big medley relay gold and equal world record, but you still had the main event to come you're still had 24 hours to wait to have a crack at again the world record and the gold medal knowing that you know in most other events. If you broke the world record, you'd be Untouchable, you know, but in this men's 200 breaststroke you recalled his world record took David been threatening for a long time. You had the Olympic champ. I landed in there as well as the two Americans so there was no real wasn't much time to celebrate know exactly so I won't I had a drug test again, which I don't know. I've done the best drug test I've ever done over there. I was in and out in 10 minutes every time which was unheard of just like the Chinese team. Well, yes, I do like all my race warm down and then massage and all that stuff. I did that. If it plays well got home. I mean that not was a bit harder to get some sleep because I was just so hyped but I mean I still got a fair amount of sleep. Plus I could have slept in because I didn't have anything in the morning while went for a light swim. There was another training pool. I can't remember where exactly it was is what the university out there. So there's no like there's only a few people there. So I had the pool pretty much to myself just did a bit of a like a light roll through like a A or two and then came in in the arvo the night pre-race warm-up pre-race stretching and stuff like that. Just getting ready to race really so it sounds like you've got a good rap of controlling yourself in your own emotions and your own process of warm down drug test eat and sleep. But what about everybody else because everybody's coming up patting you on the back congratulating you I know what that point Adam Adam had lost his voice. From cheering. So how did you manage everything around your own your own sort of emotions? Yeah. I mean it was doing stuff like going to the training pool and just like having a quiet area. So not everyone's coming up and getting all hyped around me and he trying to Hype me up as well. That makes sense. And then I mean when I got to the dining hall after that 200 semi-final the first person who came up to me was actually Anton and he was like you're crazy like congrats and then the other Russian Killebrew gonna go I'm actually pretty good friends with he came up and it's just like you're a freak like and have been a banner with Anton as well, which is you've known Anton for a couple of years now, right tell us about that Anton since 2015 where we swam together at jr. Well He completely destroyed us in that race. He went I think you went to own 9 low and I went to ten high and I got second in that race. But yeah, we've been in contact for four years now and we see each other at the major meats and at World Cups and stuff like that as well and I will always have a chat we get along very well. I mean, there's always the After parties as well and we love the hang out with each other. I mean Russians love their Vodka, so so yeah, just hang around with him. But I'm yeah, he's he's good fun. He's a good bloke any rivalry or friendly rivalry, but I guess he you know, he was first in Budapest two years ago you were you were eight and he won Junior worlds you a second as as there's a legitimate rivalry now, I would think yeah, that's definitely it is a friendly rivalry. It's not no angst against him at all. So he's a good bloke and he's a terrific summer. All right, Matt, we've got the semi-final of the tuna brush stroke from Worlds. We equal the world record the video playing right now in front of us. Have you watched this race before the TV version of this race? Anyway, yeah, I've watched loot a couple times the semi-final I've never watched the final back though. So I don't know if we've got that as well. But yeah, we'll be watching that a bit later as well. All right, we'll get through both the semi in the final. Here we go with the semi you're in lane four. I had Mark Akash 2015 World Champion. I mean Zack was next to me and then it pee next to Zach. James will be as well Great Britain. He went to her seven for earlier in the year as well. So I thought he was going to be a big threat in this race. Slapping yourself always do that always do the arms before I got on the Block. Company César Cielo knows the maquis freestyle. I'm not as not as intense. Yeah, then I chuck chuck my arms over my head and then slap my lats every time. Well there as well something I've been working on this the skills to the Dives and the turns so we get like a 50 meter dive start time. I try to aim to get under 6'5 or faster than that and I think I went 61 in this which was one of the best times I've done. What are you best have a starts and you got well, what an Arby's up into who's the at this point the current world record holder and he's got similar race strategy to you pretty fast over the first three years. He was out with me. I saw him at the 50. It's like someone's coming with me. This point eighty meters down you almost a body length clear in front at this point and you got Zach next to you which you've raced Zach's at the back of the pack. So I had a world record line. Yeah, I mean, I know Zach was going to be back a bit. That's how he rises goes back for the first hundred fifty and drops down a massive last 50 which he did to me in 2018 went straight past me. So I was a bit wary of that as well. Actually, it makes a bit of a move here as well. Really smooth but this point I started to bring out the raid a bit. It's about 10 meters to go in the third 50 and coming in the turn so under what .34 underwater record place, but what an Arby's two lanes above you would have seen him on that turn so you're right that the crowd cheer and 52 go. Yeah, so the crowd starts to cheer about very loudly about 25 30 meters to go and I was thinking it'd be Is down straight past me or markers catching up to me. I didn't really think it'd be me getting close to for record and see my hands are just on the world record line there. I'll just my stroke going in a bit. So I'll take an extra. Little strike there, which I think really helped. Get that were record. I mean, I was pretty happy about it. That's a pretty good start a hundred world record in World Championship. That's good that Zach first got it. Pat you on the back as well. Have your teammate right there next year? He's always the first one to come over and congratulate me or I'm always the first one we went over and congratulate him. We've got a very good Bond. We've been swimming against each other since we were 12 so we know each other very well. And then Hami Watanabe, you just equaled his world record. I you mates with him or does he speak much English? I doesn't speak a lot of English, but he did look over at me and he put up a big thumbs up to me and I gave one back. I'm just a slight acknowledgement there. They probably four or five times underwater record Pace to miss so you got it. You got it buddy, put down a massive last 50 when he broke the world record in 2017. So they're always happy and always happen. It's going to happen even more now that the world record like yeah that sets it up for the final tomorrow. So it sounds like it's a, you know, you've been on the scene in this event for a while and pretty friendly with these boys, so it's not like a hundred free. I can tell you that Androids giving you a thumbs up to equal their world record. That's a bonus. I think we're pretty close bunch of brush stroke is like just dip together. We got the final of the 200 breaststroke here now. So you're in lane four Chuck calls in five. Have you seen this one? You haven't seen the final. You know, I haven't seen this one got a pretty good idea how this one's going to end out. But yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it goes. Alright and setting up at this point day6 Australia where I think top of the medal tally at the world Champs at this point, but Russia at one Russia being, you know, Anton Troop. But they'd won the three gold medals going in right FM / no to FM / and real of it. Once I Rush Hour on a bit of a roll here. Yeah, I think they won both those gold medals on that day as well. So they had no gold going into a six. I think it wasn't then ended up winning three or four that day. I think it was so it was a pretty good effort from them. Yeah. Well watch this in my opinion. This was individually one of if not the most exciting race on the men's side of the World Champ so credits you for that. Behind you the championship record as well and I saw that before and I was like, I'm gonna try and get that. Already a gold medalist hid in the mixed medley relay. He's had a huge 24 hours after that. So you're there in and what and Avi was up in to as well right in this right here in seven. Yeah. And he was only just behind me as well. He went to o-67 which is a world-class swimmer as well. It's one last night to equal it swims real fast from the start. So we've seen him under world record. Through the first three laps in the Heat and the semies you've got that one last night Andrew Wilson above him both Wilson's they like to go out fast. They took got there is on camera in the blue cap watch for him to storm home. I got the same routine as well for this laughing. It's always pick slats. I do my biceps and then I'll get on the Block and do the arms overhead. 200 meters breaststroke Wilson and shook off in those middle lines what Ann Arbor Day is the other world record holder down in my 70 years and white quickly. But so too is Matt Wilson, you can already see the difference in style Wilson taking it out hard in the Yellow Cap tube table to his left really just stroking out almost in slow motion at the moment. So the to Wilson's of got fast. That's Matt Wilson in for and Andrew Wilson above him in three the American Mary come in the black cap, of course the Australian in the Yellow Cap as they go through the first 50 and that Matt Wilson Andrew Wilson. There's a mention week keep our eyes also on water Andrew Wilson went with you earlier here. I was a bit surprised. Yeah. He I mean he paid for it in the last 50 a bit, but that's what I like to do. I like to try and get people to react to me. I'm not vice versa. So I always go out or not hard but bit faster. 6 so you're 1.6 ahead of tripped over this point puts on the burners. The rate goes up a bit. 47 in the world record pace Often lines on the phone probably break the world record there. It is. Don't know what I put the camera on me first off. They got that brilliant moment of my thumb cramp. Wilson and what an army tells a gallon Race by Wilson to take it out hard over the first three laps, but we've seen this before from choked off such a good racer saves a lot of energy for that last lap and that was a real Brawl on the way home amazing. He is smashed the world record over half a second or I will pause it there. So You know what half a second world record, but everyone knows took cause been threatening for a while to break through that and smash that I think he's done a multiple 206 highs and that's probably the perfect race from he had two or three guys youself and want an IB go out hard so that probably draws him out and us as well. So so you're welcome Anton. Yeah, but I always knew Tony at 150 that he was gonna just ride up and Have a massive last 50 and it's just about me trying to hold on and not get too caught up in that and not trying over right? I think I did a bit of the end there, but that's something I can go back and work. I still reckon you overrated at the end there. Yeah. Well, I reckon I was trying to rush it a bit over radio. I rushed it a bit. So I wasn't grabbing as much water in that last fight will 10 meters and I think if you watch the video you see the world record line. Just go straight pixels in front of it comfortable or bit more comfortably than I was in the semi. Yeah, and then you were faster through 150 and the semi right? Yeah. I'm faster through 150 years probably faster through 180 185 and then I started to rush a bit and then I was just wasn't grabbing any water and the end of the turn of breasts. Are you actually hurting or your heart hurt? I was hurting pretty bad that one I could feel the cramp in my hands coming on and as soon as I hit the wall that When it happened and I mean they put the camera on me first off still don't know why they did that. So there's a double thumb cramp you said so I cramped in my right thumb and I tried to take my goggles off and I couldn't so I was just like hitting my face and I went. All right. I'll try to get it off my left hand and then as soon as I did that that one cramped as well, so I was here with it has that ever happened before? No, I don't think so. It's actually just can't take the pressure of the moment. They were They're just stuck that to useless hands. I can get my glasses off. It looks so weird it and that's now become a meme has it? Yes. So there was a Instagram or one of the British main Pages. There's like a man's captioned like when mum won't take you back as and she says there's food at home and I've got like text over the my hand and it says like the food at home and it's like my face looking at my hand and I'm like disgusted at it and I'm like shaking. I was just like I was pretty clever. There's been a couple as well. There was one of the 27 Teen yeah, that's um, I've made it that's actually made it now. Well, it's interesting watching that. I mean it only the action only happened that last 25 when Chuck called comes through in he takes probably only 10 Strokes over the first 50 and then he takes ten Strokes in the last 10 meters like he he's race strategy is just not like nothing we've ever seen before 102 to 103 9 even splitting it. Yeah. It's just yeah unheard of So that's what's going to be the race plan to beat that next year to outrace him because he's the number one racer hasn't been beaten since you got third at the Olympics hasn't lost the 200 breaststroke since so what's going to be the method. I mean, I think I'm just going to stick with the race plan that works for me and we're going to be changing my race plan to suit his what if you wait until and what if you're out in Lane 2 and he was out in fall or something like that. Well my right there change.org you think do you think he won't be able to see you know, I reckon he's he does. He's such a good racer. I reckon it'd still be able to pull out that it's all in his last 50 years and it how relaxed is through that first. I can see he takes ten Strokes off the first 50 and then ten Strokes on the last day. He just rates up his has all that energy to drop a 32 low 31 High last 50, but he can incredible man. I reckon he would on this way too much from that. Even if I was out in Lane one or two or whatever. Eric is a pretty consistent racer as well. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a big best time for him half a second PB few Watanabe goes what 1/100 what 1/10 off his old world record. So return to form for him from a couple of years stub, let it cook TVs as well. And who else was in that race. You got the British guys. You got the American guys, so it's even though, you know, there's field. This is the guy that 2i 6 inch of clubs been dominant. It's anybody's game, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. I mean Olympics next year is going to be very very very interesting because it's like you said, it's anyone's race anyone can step up. Like I had a big year this year. Like there could be someone else he's going to have a big year and drop have a second or a second and is back into it after a couple of years sort of no way. You know, he had a rough 2017. I think it was started to get a bit better in 2018. He's now back to making on finals which is where he wants to be and he's definitely going to be thrown as well. He's been in that situation before and is performed. So he will be there as well. He won he won 20 years, but he went out of Lane 8. So you're right. Next year's finals. Just going to be off the chain exactly. I mean, I probably wasn't the fact we actually are expected that final be so much faster than what it was. He wanted to I-74. I think it was and that's what yeah, exactly. So Tory has seven for was V at World Champs just then. So yeah, I mean, it's just going to be a whole new level of racing. I think yeah awesome and then coming off that silver you I saw you after the rescue. You're pretty happy with silver even after the war record. Yeah for sure. I'll start with that. I went to I-66 again. So basically replicating usually it Point 1 point 0 1 sorry off what I did the day before which I thought was is awesome. I compose myself that So I could do that which I was even more impressed with like backing up with all that pressure. That was now on me. I was going in as the favorite in some people's eyes what I did to compose myself and go to o66 again. I was very happy with that and I'm going to Revel sorry replicate that going into Tokyo. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Well, there's day6 I think that Ozzy boys win the 4x2 that nights of big night for Australia and you still got the medley relay to come on day eight. So and then 59:1 in the heat 59 6 so that week started to catch up on you a little bit. That was one of the Worth races or Worse hundreds of done. But I mean in the morning I felt pretty rough. Like I was expecting to because I hadn't raced and I just been doing a few easy sessions. So I thought just thinking I could get the morning swim. Don't get a bit of freshness going into that night that I'd be able to put down like another 58 point. In the final, I think we're going to I mean, I just hit the wall at 50 and I was like, I felt just very lethargic. Oh, yeah, and that's something that I have to work on is maintaining that energy throughout the whole week and not just part of a week. I got in 2017. That was a big thing as well. So I was but that was like a lot worse than what I was doing this year. So I was like a couple days up couple days down a couple days that was up and down. It's just like a frog in a sock. So it was so I improved from 2017 but now I want to improve on that again so I can get a whole week. Yeah of putting down world class times and finally for metals and that's what people don't realize that I haven't been in that environment over eight days a lot happens over eight days. And in this instance, there was controversy or was it was emotional the Australian team was riding high and I think that's why you take your hat off to go like drechsel or before him Phelps. Lockley that congest race consistently so well multiple times a night across eight days. Yeah. It's incredible. Those people were the freaks drechsel is a freak. He's a probably going to be one of the probably the best swimmer. Amo championship history, I would say yarn around a hundred fly. He did at will chance was unbelievable. 49 low. I think it was I can't remember the time exactly but I remember watching that race and just going like wow, it's amazingly you're never going to see something like that. I reckon he's a world record holder. You're a world record holder for more. Awesome. Alright. Well, thanks for taking us through that that big week of gwangi. That's probably you know, The best week of your career. Yeah for sure like to think one of the best weeks of your life, but, you know bigger and better things to come next year for sure, huh? Hopefully, we'll see what happens next year. I mean, I'd like to just keep improving. Just keep putting my best foot forward and I'd be happy with that. Well, there you go guys the week that was Matt Wilson recounting his world record and silver medal winning swims in the 200 breast at this year's World Champion gwangju. Thanks for listening in and stay tuned for part two of the interview with Matt Wilson.
Welcome to 'Swimming with Bobby', Episode 1 with Australian swimming star Matt Wilson. In 2019 Wilson equalled the World Record in the semifinals of the 200m Breaststroke at the FINA World Championships in Gwangju, only to see that WR get broken by eventual champion Anton Chupkov of Russia, with Wilson finishing with silver. Listen in to the detail of Wilson's preparation leading into the World Champs, his deepest thoughts and feelings during the biggest week of his swimming career and his live commentary on watching the replay of these races for the first time since the World Champs. Stay tuned for Part 2, detailing  the sacrifice and commitment from the Wilson family on his journey to the top. Note: filmed late 2019  Episode 1: Podcast Notes · Summer 2019 – on fire! (1:05) · 5 weeks out from Worlds (3:44) · Taper - You did what?! (6:05) · World Champs Day 1 - “I’m on!” (9:21) · Mixed Medley Relay – GOLD! (11:55) · Recovering like a World Champ (14:59) · WORLD RECORD! (20:39) · Anton Chupkov: Friendly rivalry? (25:10) · Video Replay: Semi Final (26:31) · Video Replay: Final – The most exciting race of the World Champs (32:05) · Double thumb cramp - a new swimming meme (37:50) · How to win in 2020? (39:10) · Finishing off Gwangju (43:10) 