Welcome all to another injury review podcast with been cooking nose and Edwin poorest heard here on the fantasy free agents podcast bringing you the latest medical analysis and injury outlook for players across the league. Let's get to it now with more unrestricted unaffiliated unparalleled analysis from the guys. It is Saturday September 21st. We are one day away from week 3 Sunday kickoff and you are listening to the fantasy free agents podcast. I am been kookiness here again with dr. Physical therapy student Edwin poorest and we are here to take you through some late week analysis based on injury reports news coming out and hopefully either put your Into he's or in some cases make you tear your hair out a little bit more a day before week three kick off. But anyways, this is what we do every Saturday week 3 injury report. How you doing today Edwin? I'm I'm reeling and I don't know about you, but I had a tough week in the the old fantasy football and this week last weekend because of all the injuries. I had some major Fallout. Yeah, I have I was watching was watching week too and I'm sure you were doing I'm the same as I was watching week to unfold and I'm just thinking to myself. I got to start compiling notes for the week 3 injury report podcast right away because this is getting to be too much to keep track of. Yeah. I honestly was I started thinking I need to start writing these down because I what I'll do on some of these is go back to NFL Game Pass and watch the play where a player is hurt and I just need to start noting. Okay second quarter three minutes left fourth quarter seven minutes left because holy cow. They added up this week. Well and it How you know me being an Eagles fan didn't help watching Sunday during the day and then looking forward to Sunday night and seeing the complete disaster that that was, you know, even before kickoff and then within the first minute or two of the game starting so will will certainly be touching on those Eagles today. Definitely want to look at the Chiefs running back situation and Damian Williams and LeSean McCoy. We're going to go through the quarterbacks as well. Drew Brees Ben Roethlisberger and Cam Newton and then A few running backs to touch on so definitely got a good slate going on today and I want to start maybe a little mini segment at the end. Edwin says basically any rules or suggestions. You can impart onto our fellow listeners and fantasy owners when they judge injuries or are seeing news reports or just trying trying to make their own judgement our analysis on certain injury. So hoping you have a few good bullet points for us today moving forward. Absolutely. Yeah, I had a quick question. Actually, is there any so I know you go back and using NFL Game Pass? And I know you follow beat reporters and that's probably the best thing to do. Is there any generic Twitter account or social media account? You follow for injury news. I know there is NFL injury news. It's at NFL injury NWS. They're part of the fantasy pros Network. They do have a lot of up-to-date things, but I was wondering if you had any other accounts that you would recommend for our listeners. You know, I right off the top of my head. The first person that came to mind was rehab All-Star he is and yeah, so at rehab All-Star, he is the former head athletic trainer and physical therapist for the Chiefs as in teheran Borgman Borgman. Yes. Yeah, super super smart guy. He's very realistic on the so he he has an advantage that I don't and that's I'm very open about that. You know, I have not obviously been around teams. The NFL and stuff like that, but since he's been around it for so long. He is very good at knowing. Hey this sign more than likely means, you know, X Y or Z. I can always give you the analysis on watching the video the anatomy and app, you know, the after the post the post game shenanigans that go on with injuries, but Aaron's really good of in the moment being like Oh, the training staff is out there, you know doing this or that or oh this week they did, you know their hydration plan. Changed and so he's really good with stuff like that. Okay, honestly, honestly though I got to be honest. It's I am like that's like that's like a person who's really into cars being like Oh, man, you've got to look at this 1964 Chevelle Model S blood well and like that's how I feel when I when I when I recommend these people because a lot of people are going to be like dude just tell me the timeline and the timeframe that's right. That's true. But see the problem is is you The problem is you'll have to report saying a timeline of you know, two to four weeks another report saying, oh he's up in the air for next week. So it's just it's a nightmare for us fantasy owners when we're just trying to get to the bottom of something and I mean, I see board when putting out a few tweets someone was saying why no update about Damien as far as what's wrong with him and his responses because we haven't been given anything to explainer analyze. So I guess the unfortunate Truth for the most part is just we are at The mercy of what teams want to release to us, I guess. Yeah, and unfortunately it becomes a game of strategy a lot of times in the Patriots are the freaking most the masters of it is, you know, like we talked about to kill Harry the first podcast we did together and I was like dude, I don't eat it. It's like a lower body injury. That's as much as I can tell you something. It seems like they yeah, it's like the it seems like the Chiefs are doing something similar with Damian Williams has well, you don't know which running back we're going to throw out you could we Thompson. Could we Darrell? Names Terrell. Yeah. Yeah. It's like well, you're just gonna have to wait and see when you have to defend against Damien Williams. I did pick up Darryl Williams just as a I'm a Damian Williams owner and I missed out on Darwin Thompson in my rookie Dynasty draft about around around early. But I mean Darrell Williams going back to last season after after the Kareem hunt news looked look. Pretty solid and you know a little rotational roll. So I was like, you know what? I don't have anything to lose so picked him up. We'll see what happens. There you go. Yeah, we'll get we'll get into all the Chiefs news. I want to start though with my beloved Eagles and the complete nightmare that we are going through right now for guys to discuss three fantasy relevant guys, Alshon, Jeffery DeSean Jackson and Carson Wentz, and I threw in there Dallas Goddard again, not that fantasy relevant. Unless perhaps your Dynasty but let's start out with actually. I was going to start out with a leash and let's start out with the guy. Who is absolutely Gonna Miss This Week DeSean Jackson out this week may also miss week for I sent you the clip of the his this last snap you played before his exit and you were saying and you were saying it did, you know growing right around his junk or something but is it an abdominal strain a groin injury? Is this a sports? Hernia are what the hell is this? That's a good question. Okay. So yeah, when I was talking to you about before we started recording was if you watch the clip you will see that he pulls up he stops running and he starts to walk his right hand goes immediately towards his junk and he realized I'm on national TV. I probably shouldn't grabbed my junk. So what that probably means is that it's a groin strain, you know, literally right around his junk and usually what that means is that he pulled something. The classic they pulled something to strain something because it was a non-contact. He didn't get hurt or he didn't get tackled. There's no traumatic event. And those are sort of the scariest ones to deal with So when you say, you know, is it a sports? Hernia? Is that a groin injury at this point? They're not really I think if so, I know that if it were an actual sports hernia, they would have said that by now the the scary part about these is that they can sort of start this way and then progress if you know, if you don't manage it correctly this can become a situation where it sort of These muscles continue to you know be disrupted. The reason we call it. We lumped together groin and sports hernias and abdominal strains is because the abdominal muscles and the groin muscles come together to create a sort of corset around your entire, you know your entire stomach for lack of a better term and it connects to your legs. So all those muscles are Then I talked about that a little bit before the thing about these these these groin injuries is that they're so debilitating because I mean dude, you have to use his muscles for everything to get up out of a chair to write lay down to get up out of bed. Even if you're not doing you know, if you're not performing elite football tasks at practice or in a game if you're using these muscles all day, so you really have to let them sort of regain their regain their stability and integrity. So that's what makes these a little a little tricky so I wouldn't be surprised. And like you said earlier, you know, and you surprised me miss another three weeks and I wouldn't either. Yeah, so and for a burner like like dashon, that's what they would they benefit more from holding him out a cup of maybe one or two extra weeks just to allow for a little more time to heal. So when he gets back out there, he does bring his speed which is pretty much what he Prides himself on to what I mean might they take an extra week or two even if he seems like he's okay. Absolutely, especially given his age. No, he's not an ass. He's not a Sprite Sprite woman anymore at this point so it would be an obviously that's going to be up to the team and him and to DeSean Jackson and you know, the Eagles organization the Eagles though are they're pretty smart as a whole log give him credit for that. They're like the first two other than the Patriots to implement the analytics department and all that. So I expect them to manage this curve managed to this well, and yes, I took the short answer is yes. They if they get to a Friday or Saturday in a few weeks and he's saying I just I mean I can like if I could go I can but I'm not like 100% then The Prudent decision would be yes. Let's wait until next week then because if you're almost there this week, then we can be pretty confident that next week. You will be well, let me let me ask you this. I mean to Sean as with many other very competitive athletes. I highly doubt depending I guess depending on the situation he would say oh if you need me. To go I can but I'm not feeling great. I mean, it's he seems like the kind of guy who would say. Yep. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Let's go. Would it then fall on the medical staff to maybe observe him in practice and until Peterson? Okay, II know he says he's good to go. But we're still observing this during practice with that be up to them. Yeah. Definitely. It's going to be where your medical team and the coach and the sort of I know that sucks to say this because they're professional athletes there. Adults, but a lot of times you do have to sort of protect these guys from themselves and other yeah. Otherwise it just it can be. Yeah, it can get bad. Yes. So the short answer is yes, but yeah, it's hard to tell a dude who's been competing in professional football for you know, 10 years at this point to be like, you know what you're actually not going to you're not going to play this weekend. So yes, it would be sort of a joint decision there and the hope is that you know, cooler heads will prevail and They would tell Deshawn. Hey, man, you don't think you're ready. But of course if he ends up saying I'm ready and it's time to go. There's you know, he's an adult. He's professional you can make his own decisions so out for out for this week after tomorrow and I mean the Eagles play Thursday. There's I don't see any realistic shot of him playing more next week. Yeah. So so Eagles fans or DeSean Jackson owners be prepared for him to probably miss the next. Two maybe even three weeks while he recovers from this onto the Eagles other starting wide receiver Alshon, Jeffery questionable with a calf injury, but he didn't participate all this week. I mean Peterson did he can't completely cancel practice on Wednesday just because of the state of things and just saw that through. Yeah, which I know is not out of the ordinary come week 14 or 15 or 16 or 17. But I mean, this is absolutely great. So yeah, he canceled practice and just did a walkthrough outright on Wednesday. What do you think of Jeffrey's chances of going this week? I mean technically he's questionable, but I'm not very optimistic about him playing tomorrow. So I'm not either. Yeah, but what makes me hesitate is his when he sees that Dallas God, it's out when he sees that DeSean Jackson's out when he sees that a lot of you I could even Corey Clement with Right, isn't he here to uh, yeah wrist injury. I think yeah on the on the kickoff. He that he fumbled someone looks just tore his arm to the side and he came off instantly holding his arm. Yeah, so he it's not I mean, it's within the realm of possibilities that Alshon Jeffery looking around going well shit. I have to play right, you know, that's and I think that could play in here because so and if he does end up playing which I honestly don't expect him to but if he doesn't I'm playing expect reduced production expect them to use these as a decoy. He probably will play limited snaps and that's just because he had a calf strain in caps trains can get really nasty for receivers. I've talked about this before you need your calves to push off the ground to Sprint to jump up in the air to cut, you know calves are super important almost as important as hamstrings and I just eat like I said, if he does play it'll be more as decoy there Peterson said on Friday and This is I guess this is just some of the phrasing that drives us crazy when he announced that dashon is out. He says I'm still optimistic about Jeffrey like okay. Yeah, seriously, we're all optimistic. We're all optimistic, but we all have to live in reality to so history of saying he that you've been optimistic about players and then then just not not playing, you know, he's that he's an optimistic. He's an optimistic guy. He's not scary guy with her. Tony says we all know. Yeah, so I guess I mean probably probably at this point the definition of a game-time decision, so certainly everyone be on the lookout be on the lookout of for the Eagles injury injury report tomorrow moving on. I have mentioned Dallas Goddard before mentioned Dallas car before we don't need to spend too much. Time on him. So it just in terms of fantasy relevance, but he is also questionable with a calf injury. He got it in a limited practice yesterday, but you know, he's young. I don't know. I don't really see them forcing him to go out and play if if they need to certainly we saw last week from an observational perspective lack of two tight end sets and how it did impact the running game a little bit but Dallas Goddard, I'm not sure if you have anything up to date on him, but again a calf injury, which is never a good. Good thing it can linger limited practice yesterday. So I guess he'll be another game time decision and we'll see what happens tomorrow at one o'clock. Yeah, he does if he does play I expect it to be more he'll expect him to be more of an in line blocking decoy issue as well. Just like Alshon is because like, I mean those skilled players on the Eagles are dude, they don't they isn't it. I think Earth's and Goddard or they're only tiny hands, right? Yeah. They had crept. Who was it? I know they had Josh. Perkins before oh yeah, Josh dragons before well, no and you know I shouldn't have said not quite fantasy relevant because because while you may not be starting Goddard as you're starting tight end or Flex that is someone who you probably have mile Sanders and Jordan Howard both Ross third and probably starting depending on your league. So that does have fantasy implications there. So again, I'll show on Jeffrey and Dallas Goddard Eagles kickoff at one o'clock. So the good news News is is that it's not you know, a Sunday night game or a fork lock start. So we'll find out once they release an actives at 11:30 11:45 or so. And then then we get to the guy who you know that everyone is looking at Carson Wentz full practice this week and looked fine in practice. But you know, we don't exactly know. I feel like what happened and week to he left her a few snaps at the very very end of the second quarter. Came back out everyone all over social media was ribs ribs ribs chest injury, but he was evaluated for concussion. And again, I know Peterson cancel practice on Wednesday, but he got in full practice and was looking fine. I was watching a few videos. So what are your thoughts on Carson Wentz is status. We know what not not hissed not like whether or not he's going to play he's going to play, you know full go that is not even a question. But in terms of I guess him getting evaluated you saw the Hit he took so yeah, just a couple thoughts on on Wentz. Yeah, so he did get a little bit rattled on that play. You know, there's not you can't ignore that what I think the big the big issue with, you know, obviously everything that's going on with concussions and CTE. I think this was more of an NFL independent neurologist being like hey do today we gotta come out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we could got at least look at them. They've taken a lot of flack. I thought there was a big pretty big controversy a So week one Sterling Shepherd got a concussion, but he actually finished that game and then was ruled out for week 2 so that's the NFL's at like under some serious scrutiny for that as they should be. I don't know how that happens. So, you know, I think this is just more of them covering their bases. He dude. I respect the hell out of Carson Wentz the dude is just freaking tougher than Nails. He came back in that game. Their game plan was scrapped their players were hurt and he just like willed that team at the very end and then he getting heated pretty Everything he could he did sorted rub the hate it no, no, no heat. No he did. Yeah, he's gonna be fine. Yeah. There you go. That's that's all everyone needs to hear. He's going to be fine. Let's see. I don't want to make too too much of it moving on to the other team that has a bunch of fantasy injury implications Damien Williams and LeSean McCoy. The situation is a little clearer now in that Damien Williams was ruled out and it looks like LeSean McCoy will play he was limited in practice. Week with the ankle issue issue, but just to touch on Williams first, he's out with the knee injury. I believe it's a knee contusion. So we don't have to you know talk about you know, what can we can expect and his situation but I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about knee injuries in general aside from things like, you know, ACL MCL PCL and meniscus. Obviously, it's wondering if you saw when or what happened. I couldn't find the video or the snap. That caused it but when it comes to knee contusions and I guess the limited amount of information we know he's out this week. What can we expect moving forward? So yes, and I actually was just sorry you probably heard that I am looking at the video again the last snap of the last carry that Damien Williams had and so if you put that together with the reports from the Chiefs, they are saying that he has a bone contusion a bone bruise essentially and The thing about Bone bruises is that they sound minor and they sound like oh, you just got a bruise, you know tough it out. Wow, put some rice with ice and then he did. Yeah, so they're actually really they can get really nasty. So essentially would have Bone bruises is inflammation of the of the outer layer of the bone. And so you have the hard bone right obviously and then you have a layer it's almost you can almost. Give it like a as a Saran Wrap layer and it's right. It's a periosteal paradoxical done and you can actually like bruise that and what happens is it, you know, there's a bunch of inflammation that comes to that. It's that part of the that part of the bone. It's super painful and it causes you to be able to not basically move your leg because of the pain and so it's sort of like a vicious cycle that goes on for a couple of few weeks and they're not fun. So essentially with if it's a true bone. Conclusion that that is good that this happening with Damian Williams. He might miss next week to depending on how severe it is. And if it's a true bone contusion bone bruise, so he's knows he's dealing with a lot of pain right now then with yeah. Yeah. So these are very very much sort of driven by paying their self limiting to a certain extent their self-limiting cause inflammation does eventually go down but they're just not fun and Bone always takes forever to heal just because it's it's, you know, it's live tissue but But it's takes a little bit of time for them to come around. And so I would expect Damian Williams to potentially miss next week too. But those are generally what speaking the if you're thinking of an e like a knee injury. I know you said, you know, you have ACL PCL MCL meniscus. And those are if you get a bone contusion, those are pretty brutal to okay. Alright, alright, so I guess yes stay tuned. We'll see what we'll see practice reports for for next week. But at least at least the picture is a little clearer for this week, Damien Williams. Out stay tuned and be on the lookout for practice reports regarding his week for status. But then to the other running back in the backfield or one of the other running backs in the Chiefs backfield LeSean McCoy Limited in practice with an ankle. He will play I was wondering if you know what kind of ankle issue he has and then any time feel like any time I'm talking about injuries to someone who's at a certain age. His age and Ankle injuries do ankle injuries in general seem to affect older players differently or do they linger any longer? So yeah, we'll start with that. If you know what kind of ankle injury he's dealing with and does his age and his injury history at all. What will that exacerbate or limit him, you know, theoretically yes and when you get older he's 32 when you get older tissue healing time sort of start to go in reverse to a certain extent. Didn't expect this. I don't really expect his age should be playing into this too much though. I honestly think that he's a perfect example of and we'll talk about this a little bit later when we go through that segment of General outlooks for LeSean McCoy. I think that what happened was he had a similar mechanism of injury. So how it happens at a high ankle sprain. What happened is they they took an MRI it came back clean, which is tells us half the story but then that very next that very next day. He tried to practice and he couldn't because of the pain so it's just it's what the medical research tells us. It's sort of played out in that scenario how an MRI imaging does not give us the whole picture because he couldn't practice the next day and so I do think he's suffering from some sort because of the video. I watched these suffering from some sort of high ankle issue. I'm not going to call it a high ankle sprain formally, but it might be some sort of high ankle issue and in these cases when the MRI is clean the way they said it is then it's really just a matter of him dealing with the pain. And that's really the limiting factor this week and I'm afraid that since he sees Damian Williams is out. He's saying to himself the same thing I wish on Jeffrey. Is he saying? Oh God why you have to play tomorrow? Do I right? Right, right. Well and but so is it reasonable to expect you some limited production or well, I guess it depends on just how he deals how he deals with it. Is this something even if it's just a high ankle issue even not a high ankle sprain. Is it something because it he's very much a East-West type Runner. Is it something that could affect his cutting ability ability ability to I guess bounce out or Bubble at all. You know it could Because the mechanism where were these types of injuries occur is where you plant you bend your knee your knee comes forward your foot is planted and then you get a force going downward so that forcep, you know sort of pushes your whole leg and knee into it's called dorsiflexion and that's the position of your ankle. And so if he is running running running, you know, Ben's his knee Cuts maybe something gives out at that point. It's just yet. So yeah the risk the risk of these players. He's coming back when they're still facing some sort of, you know pain or even a psychological aspect of like well, I can't cut, you know, even if he doesn't re-injure it's going to be like well, can I cut like am I going to be able to cut or maybe maybe I just you know, maybe I hesitate. Yeah, I go and cut take this up field a little a little quicker than I usually would or a little slower than I usually would it's it's too risky for me just to play the so like for daily players and stuff like that. I'm not going to play LeSean McCoy just like I'm not going Lay, some of these other dudes playing through designations. Okay. Well there you have it. At least it's a clear situation from the fantasy perspective in that Williams is out and McCoy looks like he will be playing we're going to take our wing toxin season. Yeah what it's alright watch Darrell Williams. He's gonna score like 2:30 to go line that touchdowns. We're gonna take a quick break to talk about one of our sponsors and when we come back, we'll talk about some quarterbacks. And running backs be right back folks. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast on anchor FM podcasting. 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So go download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started today and thanks for listening to the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled analysis. if your fantasy football and bedding needs All right, we're back week three injury report here on the fantasy free agents podcast talking injuries. We just went over the plethora of injuries for the Eagles and the backfield situation in Kansas City. And now it's time to jump into the quarterbacks my goodness. We are staring at a week that involves Gardner Minshew Luke Falk, Kyle Allen Mason Rudolph and Teddy Bridgewater. I don't know what goes where I don't know what yeah, I don't know what's going on with the world. Oh my goodness. Well, let's start with let's start with the guy who is out for the season Ben Roethlisberger season-ending elbow injury. He's going to undergo surgery. I was just reading that. Apparently. I found this on Behind the Steel Curtain been or Marquis Pouncey one of Ben's close close as friends and teammates said his elbow has been During him for years and not weak. So perhaps, you know, I don't know when people were ripping him in the past just as far far as accuracy or whatever. It was this elbow. I quit. My question is I guess what, you know when he comes back next surgery or I guess how long of a time table what are the steps in this recovery process and in general? What does an elbow injury affect the most out of accuracy release Time arm strength in terms of distance. It's and then arm shrink maybe in terms of any the zip behind the ball that he puts on it. So yeah, what can we expect I guess as we for timetable in the phases or stages of the rehab that he's going to be going through and how severe can these elbow injuries be when it comes to a quarterback's mechanics. Yeah. That's a good question. So this I know no I only ask a questions and you only have to grow this but you know, so, okay. I'm going to ask I'm gonna ask you to ask the listeners and you to do something for me touch her touch your funny bone. I mean obviously not too too hard touch Funny Bone. Got it. Okay now slide up like one centimeter and you're going to feel this really tough fibrous sort of sort of little bundle of like a connective tissue and it's should be really tough and it expands all the way across like your elbow going sort of going diagonally from your funny bone. So that's your UCL and it goes Below your funny bone to its huge the role of that UCL. The ulnar collateral ligament is to keep the stability of your elbow. Not just when you're throwing passes, but I mean when you're like reaching for things when you are trying to extend your elbow when you bend your elbow, so that ligament is super important. This is the same ligament involved in the Tommy John surgery that you see baseball pitchers have quite interesting. Okay? I didn't know then yeah, so it's not an ironic that a quarterback suffered it. Tommy John injury it's similar to what a pitcher suffers because they're obviously throwing the ball and it is interesting to me that Mark. I didn't know that that Marquis County said that about Roethlisberger so that more than likely we can say with some confidence that yeah, if it was bothering him this specific issue was bothering him for years and it never was addressed. Then this could very well play into all of the factors that may have caused the spinal rupture here because that's what happened. Is that that big ligament got ruptured and so he Doesn't have essentially stability at the elbow. And so it has really less to do with you know, fine motor control and fine, you know accuracy and stuff like that while throwing the ball has more to do with just the fact that he wouldn't even be able to you know, pick his arm up and put it at 90 degrees and have that stability to be able to even get to the point where he's throwing the ball. So he's going to have that. Well, he did have that reconstruction already. They went in and fixed it and this timeline is pretty brutal the only Only so I haven't seen a lot of NFL players quarterbacks who have gone through this rehab but on average for baseball players who come back from this injury. It's a 9 to 12 month rehab very similar to an ACL timeline. What I will say is since pitchers have to have a lot more endurance. They have to have a lot more connective tissue endurance and muscular endurance because they just throw the sheer volume of pitches as much more than the volume of passes. So his time frame could be lightly or you know closer to the everything goes smoothly closer to the 9-month mark, but this is going to be something that he's going to have to rehab all offseason. He his his availability for a week one is still not 100% certain. I mean it could he more than likely will be back by then, but it's not 100% certain yet. And so those are the things you're dealing with. That's why I made a joke before about somebody asked me about Roethlisberger and if he would retire and I It's like well, I mean the dudes 37 he just looks like a like a ticking time bomb out there running a straight up as you can and it's a lot different I can tell you this. Clinically. It's a lot different when I have a patient who hurt their knee and is trying to get back to playing a sport versus the retired person who comes in and they're like, you know what my long-term goal is in two months. I want to be able to walk up and down the stairs without an issue because I'm going on a cruise. Yeah to Very very very broad sort of ends on of the Spectrum in terms of what their goals are and I just say that sort of tongue-in-cheek, but you know if he wanted to if he decided like dude, I'm just done then he could sort of cruise through this rehab process not worried about setbacks and it'd be a lot less stressful and him but I guess a follow-up follow-up question to that in terms of the the timetable and you mentioned setbacks. What would be some possible setbacks that would put his Week 1 20 He status in Jeopardy. So he's had the surgery. I'm sorry. I haven't actually I didn't know I didn't ever watch if he had the surgery yet. My the last report I saw is just that he will undergo surgery reporter sort of stopped following after that. I think usually but I mean one of the the first setback I initially thought of when you asked me that was the surgeon can get in there and be like, holy crap. This is actually worse than I even thought that's one immediate setback, you know another That back is he tries to do too much too soon as these players are unfortunately notorious for doing and you know, they sort of overload the tissue when it's not ready with. I know another random example is Darius guys had surgery but then ended up having an infection in the knee, you know, you have all of these different factors that are we're very fortunate in this in and I guess I shouldn't say that's a totally different conversation. I was going to talk about our survival rates and stuff like that and hospitals but we still are as a country. We do pretty well with Orthopedic surgeries. We do pretty well with recoveries and and prophylaxis and turn in terms of Physicians are good of giving you know, the correct antibiotics and a lot of the stuff is regulated. So things like that, you don't think of often but these are still when you sign a ton. I don't know if you've ever had a surgery bent, but when you have a surgery they make you sign like a million different pieces of paperwork and if you sit there and read through all those, you know sheets of paper work. You're like, holy crap. Maybe I don't Have surgery after all. Yeah after all these risks. So those are obviously all of the risks that come into play before you even talk about the rehab side. I did I did shatter my right wrist once while I was in college and yeah got the hole screws and you know pins, you know forming a giant X across my hand and wrist on the inside. So yeah, that was that was that was not too Pleasant. You heard it here first listeners been was shotgunning beers with Gardner Minshew in college and shattered his wrist. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely Gardner Minshew. I'm trying to think how will Gardner Minshew was when I was in college, too. I don't know. Yeah that old man. Come on. Yeah. No. No, I'm on the wrong side of 30 though. So, all right. So so Big Ben now that's got I mean, I guess we'll probably be touching more on been in you know, hey, maybe a year from now or nine months from yeah, right checking in on his status. Certainly, if anything comes out over the next several months in terms of in terms of his rehab and Recovery. We will keep you updated on that situation on to the other quarterback that has a better timeline Drew Brees. Apparently his surgery went great. So questions for you is maybe if you go into a little more detail on the surgery itself and what we can expect when he returns to action this season. Yeah, so You know, what's really weird about this is that the ulnar collateral ligament of the so that we just talked about with Ben Roethlisberger at the elbow. So Drew Brees hurt the ulnar collateral ligament of its thumb and that's just like very ironic to me. It's called the ulnar collateral ligament because it's on the old like the side of your own associate chily the pinky side of your arm. You have that bone that's called the ulna that runs up and on your forearm. And so that's the ulnar side and and that's so these are sort of not as common as you think but essentially the ulnar collateral ligament of the thumb does the various has a very similar job of the ulnar collateral ligament of the elbow and that's just to provide some some stability. And so what they do for the thumb is they go in and they sort of a you know for attach it put it back to where it was fix it up clean it up and the surgeon looks at it and says, okay that Looks good now and the timeline for these types of things. This is another this is sort of the opposite of what I was talking about when surgeries go bad. So the surgeon went integer breezes hand and he looked around and he said okay, this is about what we expected. This is, you know too bad and he came out of surgery and went perfectly. Well the Saints didn't put them on the IR so that gives you some hope that he could be back at the six or seven week Mark. yeah, I saw I saw Ian Rapoport tweet when Sean Payton was to talking about that that he can be back within eight weeks and of six weeks was the initial estimate so but realistically seven to eight weeks you think yeah, I think that I think that is since I put it didn't put them on the IR they expect him back before that and we're starting to get out of the woods a little bit in terms of his post-surgical potential for post-surgical complications the further out you get from surgery the Smaller your risk is and so I'm looking more on the rosie side of Drew Brees. I would be surprised if he made it by six games, but I think seven or eight is very realistic but now because it was on his throwing hand when approximately when during the recovery process might we see him in practice throwing the but you know not I'm not saying the week before, you know, trying it out but should we would we be seeing him I guess a grip and start throwing a football at the week for Mark or Week 5 Mark, even if it's not I'm not talking about I'm not talking about downfield bombs. I'm just talking about maybe tossing the tossing the pigskin around. Yeah, so I would have to work that out to be honest with you. I had it and I lost it. I had that because I think I tweeted it out, but I know that he won't necessarily have any for the first couple weeks. He's just sort of trying to get that swelling down. I if I don't quote me on this, but I think that I don't think he has any specific. Contraindications, which means he can't necessarily do this or that he'll just be limited by sort of the pain and everything that's going on in terms of the incision and all that. But that is a very very good question and I'm looking it up right now. But as of now I can tell you that I should probably I should probably have had that up, but I can tell you that if you see I my guess is that you'll start to see him throwing around the football around week five or so. I think that's that's servant of the servant. That's sort of that's sort of what I expected. We'll definitely when the time gets closer in the next two months be keeping you updated with the Drew Brees recovery and certainly before he returns will have a little bit of an analysis and breakdown on what we can expect when he returns our third quarterback. I wanted to discuss was Cam Newton out with the left foot Sprain and I guess it was he was he had an ankle injury in the preseason that's been bothering him. So we all know how Looked in week to do, you know if there's a medical test and if there's an eye test, I think he probably you know, failed both of those. So as far as cam goes, what is a realistic timetable and what can we expect when he returns just because he has these taking a beating over his career. So now with this left foot sprain, we we know he's out this week. What are the chances that it the injury prolongs his absence, even if it's just another week or two. Yeah, so this is a very sort of a strange injury because I actually went back and looked at the initial preseason game where he was hurt. And I don't I didn't really see anything very telling in terms of had a specific, you know, mechanism of injury or anything like that and I don't really know what's going on to be to be completely honest in this is something that I was I actually Into and I was trying to find I didn't just lose it like I did with the UCL thumb reconstruction, but I couldn't find anything telling and but what we do know is that it's a foot injury and if I had to put my sort of project my opinion on what is probably going on is it's a mid foot Sprain and that's you've heard of the list Frank fractures, right? I think those have been those are pretty pretty down. Yes, so I don't I don't think he has a lisp ring fracture. I think he has some sort of list Brink. Jury, which is just an injury to the middle in between your first and your second toe in the middle of your foot. It's that that loads of ligaments right there. I think there's some sort of I think you have some sort of disruption that would got re-aggravated. And I really think that he's going to miss this game. I wouldn't be surprised if he misses next week and they sort of put him on the mend to make sure that this doesn't happen again down the road in the season, but the tricky part is that they did let him rest already and it sort of came Back, you know, he was completely off the injury report on one. Right, right. Well again for Fantasy purposes, at least he's at least at the situation is clear, but we will certainly keep you updated and in the loop when it comes to week for action and Cam Newton's health of his left foot few running backs that I wanted to mention James Conner Marlon Mac & Devin Singletary. Good news, James Conner good to go. Yes. Yes Connors good to go carter told you from the beginning. He was going to be good to go. It's called which is always fun. But yeah, that doesn't should always always good to be right Marlon Matt questionable and Devin Singletary out. So I guess let's focus a little bit more on Mac and Singletary. Since Connor is good to go. What can you tell us about Mack and his status so Mac practiced on Friday, and he was actually he was actually out the rest of the week. So this is Sort I was we were talking about this before we started recording this this segment that he this is honestly more of like coaching tendency. What do you think type question based off of like a fantasy analyst because you know, Jordan Wilkins and I am Heinz took all of the first team reps and then now here comes Marlon Mack who more than likely will suit up on Sunday, but you know, how much is he going to be limited from the injury? Obviously, that's the first question which it could be quite a bit. Because cap strains can get nasty. If you need a plan cut and the second piece of this like I just mentioned is what are what are the what is what are the coaching Tendencies going to gonna be? Are they going to split the Snaps? Are they going to keep them on a snap count? Are they going to give them a full workload? How much did Jordan Wilkins going to be involved? So those are the things that I'm thinking about which is why it sucks because this is a really really good spot for a Colts running back in terms of in Daily, but I'm unfortunately going to stay away because the risk is too high. I mean, I don't want Jordan Wilkins in there taking Snaps from I'm naive Hines taking Snaps Ramon. So yeah, I don't know I'd have to talk to somebody like Joe or Tom who might know coaching tennis is a little better gotcha. So yeah, we'll just we'll just be on the lookout but I mean if you have him for season long and he's playing and you know, you're probably still firing him up, but perhaps for DFS and might the situation is a little little hazier as far as Devin Singletary. We know he's out for this week. So, you know, it is senior citizen time. I'm in Frank or I do laughs. I mean, how can you not love Franco and Bobby is longevity and durability, but just as far as what is Singletary dealing with and you see it a bleeding into week 4 as well. So Devin Singletary has a chance in this week for as well. Yes, I wrote an article in the preseason about hamstrings. I think I might have sent it to you. Actually when I was reaching out to you begging begging me to begging you to let me come on the podcast. And it was about hamstring injuries and it's that same article I've cited before is the NFL the NFL study that they did for 10 years that showed, you know, nine percent of injuries or running backs 18% or wide receivers and what they found is that even if it's just a great one. I say that quotation marks just a grade 1 players can miss up to three games because of that and from the beginning I was downgrading Singletary. I was saying he probably isn't going to play that's unfortunately what happened. And and I can see this bleeding into next week. And if they miss manage it bleeding into week five and you just hope that they don't do that with a young player like that and you hope that the young player has enough Prudence to be like, hey, I don't think I'm quite ready. You know, there was obviously that's the case with a lot of these players every one of these players is a competitor which you know, you expect them to be as professionals, but you just hope that the the rehab team can can sort of meet with them meet in the middle with them. Well, and I think I think we talked to I know Two weeks ago we talked about the hamstring injuries and we were saying that it's almost like half of it is the injury itself. But the other half is the player returning before full health, which makes the injury linger more and more and increases the chances of re-injury. So sometimes even if they're on the right track and if the recovery is going well, it's better for the long run to just sit them and let them rest for three weeks or so exactly exactly. All right, we're going to take one more break and play a little game of Edwin says when we get back just a few rules that Edwin things. You should follow when judging injuries or seeing news reports. 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So you never miss an episode and now back to the unrestricted unaffiliated unparalleled analysis of the fantasy free agents. You have all played Simon Says at some point in your life. Now. It is time to play Edwin says five rules Edwin parse thinks you should follow when judging injuries, seeing news reports trying to analyze it just exactly what happened on a certain snap and trying to not pull your hair out that much. When going through the week and looking up practice reports, so Edwin, I'm sort of going to just let you take it from here and just give us some main bullet points that you think the listeners and fantasy owners should follow when it comes to injury analysis. I know we you know, we're doing this every Saturday, but certainly anything user listeners can benefit from on a Tuesday or Wednesday, perhaps when some more injury news comes out. So yeah take it away. Yeah, this is perfect and By the way, I'm going to redeem myself just a second. When I when I lost that tweet about a about true breezes thumb injury. Yeah, so I think the week five week four or five Mark which is when you'll start seeing him seeing him at least trying to grip a football. They're all football. So I wasn't wrong there the guidelines. I looked at were a little a little a little I guess not as accurate simply because it's for I think it was for a reconstruction that didn't go as well as bruises. So breezes Breeze will start trying to grip a football throw a football around 5:00. Six ish week. So now moving on the general thoughts on injuries are to sort of analyze them in the same way that we want to analyze fantasy football analysis and stuff like that. You take the information that's given and you try to integrate it into what you know, so the first thing that has sort of been driving me nuts the season and it's because this is my first season really, you know doing this full-time right is the people get reports on a MRIs and x-rays. First of all, their people will get reports on X-rays and they're like, oh it's diagnostic of XY and z and that's not necessarily the case because x-rays are only are only diagnostic strictly for fractures or something like that and the can't diagnose them with sprains. You can't diagnose, you know strains or anything like that with x-rays, but you can with MRIs. However, the flip side of that is when you when you have an MRI. Comes back clean and you look at it. And you say great the players cleared then you know, that's not necessarily the case the perfect example of this or I guess two examples who are on the opposite ends of the spectrum, but sort of display this perfectly this week is LeSean McCoy and James Conner James Conner told you from the beginning guys. I'm fine. Like don't worry about it. I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna play Sunday. He had an MRI. It came back clean. He practiced in full on Friday. Everything's Rosy and dandy now the the other side of the spectrum Bactrim is LeSean McCoy Lesean McCoy had an MRI. It came back clean. He said oh, yeah, then I'm going to try to practice on I think it was a Wednesday tried to practice on Wednesday did not work out for him. He actually left the practice field and that's because it was subjected pain report. You have to make these two. This has to be a perfect marriage. You need to have the patient report who the player report match up with what the MRI says. Otherwise the MRI gives us half the story. So that's the first I don't know if I don't really have a good name for this one. Don't trust them or I don't know. Well, you know, I mean yeah MRI is half the story I guess. Yeah. There you go. That's a that's a that's a quick thing. And yeah, you've mentioned that before that the MRI MRI really only has half the story. So MRI plus player report equals accuracy, but MRI alone still. Yeah leaves leave some inaccuracies there. There you go. So I think another one moving on to the second point that I want to that I want to say is watch out for misnomers. Miss injury misnomers are out of the bane of my existence and any any other any other person who does something that I do because I think that they get dismissed too often. So, you know one perfect example in this Nomar is a sports hernia and actual medical. Hernia is when you have an organ that sort of protrudes through the connective tissue in your GI, but that's not what happens with sports sports. Hernia is quote sports. Hernia Sports hernias are just sort of disruption of a muscle. Attaches at your groin that's usually a part of your abs or your lower leg or your upper leg. I'm sorry. So that's what a sports hernia is, you know for our purposes the I think another example from the Kansas City Chiefs. This week is Damien Williams, who we they came out and said, hey, he's got a bone bruise and people said, oh Damien Williams is a bone bruise, you know, he's going to be fine. He'll probably play on Sunday. I mean, it's just a bruise. That's not the case because Bone bruises can Nasty like we talked about earlier. So, you know, these can actually cause players to miss two or three games at a time just because you have that swelling that edema causes some stiffness in the affected bone. So watch out for misnomers because a bone bruise and or a bone contusion is worse than it sounds that's my second Point data like makes sense. What do you think know so far? So good makes total sense Okay, the third thing when thinking about is a player going to play. Verses are they not going to play Alshon Jeffery and LeSean McCoy are perfect examples again. So Alshon, Jeffery is looking across the wide receiver room and he's saying holy cow. I am I going to let jjr they go Whiteside be that, you know wide receiver to this. Excuse me. We refer to him as JJ. Okay, JJ job, you know be be the wide receiver to this week or once either one. Whatever the case may be. Yeah. Or am I going to step in and try to be that veteran presence? And so if they do you have to be cautious with what kind of production they're actually going to put out it's not uncommon for teams to use players decoys. It's not uncommon for players to come back before they're ready. And even if you expect him to play, you know, what type of production of we actually bring before you even consider the calf injury, you know cap we talked about it cap injuries are super important to what wide receivers do so those are the types of things and then you have LeSean McCoy saying You know Deron Williams or Darryl Williams, no disrespect to your fantasy team there Ben. Darryl Williams and Darwin Thompson are what am I going to let them take the reins here or my going to come in and you know, take control this backfield and try to contribute to the team even if I'm still hurt. So those are the things you need to consider because I think some people will co-active got it kind of slide him in my lineup that's not always the case. So, you know be able to watch for those players who might play through a designation so more so more on the lines of Personality comes into the into play on guys that are questionable exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so Sorry, one second. I lost I lost where it was. Okay. No your this is a you've done a great job working it into these the injuries for this week. I hope so. I mean, I'm trying my best here, but I'm trying got it. I got it. Yeah up to your standards, you know? Okay. Well for the fourth situation that I want to talk about that I've harped on before our strengths. Okay. So hamstring strains, I knew from the beginning and this isn't this doesn't take like a fancy education like, you know people in my field think that we're you know so much smarter than everybody else Away really not. We're just we take the numbers and we analyze them and you know, every every day person could do this with a little bit of So I looked at that study from the NFL. I saw that the average Miss games for hamstrings are one two, three missed games. I looked at Devon Singletary who didn't finish the game and we too and I said, he's got a hamstring strain. It's at least a great one. He's going to miss at least one game and I'm going to fade him since Monday and I'm not going to put him into daily lineups and I'm going to try to find an alternative, you know starting Monday and that gives you an advantage on the waiver wire. So strains on average per hamstrings one two, one two, three missed games if it's a grade 1 or agreed to to so basically any hamstring strain that apply that a player has is going to be wonderful time week on average multi week. So make sure you watch those strains and calves are similar calves are a little more little wet a little more fuzzy because there isn't a big longitudinal study the way they did for hamstrings, but on average, you know, calf strains are just about one or two weeks as well. And so you just have to watch for those players who play through calves and hamstrings. Got it. Cool. Last Point here that I want to make is I think that the analytic you know, what's it called a Twitter analytics Twitter. They really really dislike tape grinding, but I think that well, I don't think I know for what I do is you know is married very very closely to watching people move just like the DeSean Jackson thing that I talked about earlier you have to watch you know, when did he pull up? What was he reaching? For what depth is the city have you know gait analysis watching how a player runs and walks watching their body language, you know, are they protective are they in? You know, are they sort of holding your baby being shoulder those are all things that actually are objectively important injury analysis. So let don't let your eyes or I guess, you know trust your eyes if you see something look into it. Yeah the perfect example of this is Joe Mixon who last week played through that. An ankle injury through the ankle designation and I was like man, he gained a lot of whatever it was like something terrible like 11 yards or something. That's awful. He must still be here. So I went back and watched but I watched literally every single one of his snaps and I said, oh, holy crap like he's put his foot in the ground. He's cutting. He looks explosive. He doesn't he's not worried about you know, that that lateral Mobility he's doing he's trying to make jump cuts. And so just you chalk it up to he's feeling perfectly Find in the ankle looks nice and stable. So those are the types of things that are that matter right tape grinding matters and what I do and tape grinding matters when you're trying to find out what's going on Flair. Trust trust your eye that I have exactly trust yourself trust are cautious. Now I think and and I mean certainly for those of us. I know you have the NFL Game Pass. But hey, if you want to DVR the Red Zone and go back a you know, because they usually they'll show a lot of stuff or just DVR any games any games that are in your area just you know, I don't know maybe to elevate yourself to a little more informed fantasy player, especially when it comes to injury there you have it so Yeah, exactly. I think this is and these are you know, probably less for the Casual player and right for the high-stakes dudes who are putting in, you know, dudes and dudettes who are putting in some money when it comes to this, you know to daily and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, I know I mean I know as far as our audience goes there's a lot of people that just want to know are they in or are they out and if their questionable who the heck do I pick up, you know in right or or in case of that but I mean what we're trying to do. Yeah what we're trying to do here. It's just educate everyone a little more on I guess the fundamentals or the medical background behind some of these common issues. We hear so many terms all the time. And we and we see and hear so many times different timetables release throughout the week. So even you know, even for the Casual fans if we can just impart a little knowledge and even if we can make them hesitate when they see a report that says one to two week timetable, but they see hamstring next to it and maybe Get a little reserved and say hmm. All right, let's see how it looks in next week. And before I really buy into that timetable, right exactly anything else fails if all else fails and you are just like don't care and you just want it out feel pretty just tweet out then right? Is that good? Yeah, you're real good with getting with getting back to people. Yeah. If you do my best to answer questions, if you ask me a question, I will probably send you either Edwin's way or Tom's way or trousers light unless unless there's something going on with the site or if you have a question about a podcast or whatever. Yeah, I'll probably I'll probably send you in a different direction by the way, but and yeah where we sign off and if you want to edit this out you can but I thought that we'd play a little game here that's going to take us about five more seconds and let's play a game called get to know Ben because we've been you know, the listeners told us they want a little more flavor on these podcasts. So I'm going to ask you one question and I'd like you to answer ahead. What do you think? Okay. What is Ankou canis is favorite song. Favorite song Oh making a favorite so I can tell you my favorite group and I'll gladly tell you my favorite group because I know Joe hates it right here. So Red Hot Chili Peppers is my favorite group. I've seen them like six times in concert Joe absolutely hates it and when I asked I asked him why his response was because they want to remind you that they're from California to often. I don't I don't know. That means I don't even know what that means. But I mean that a lot of their songs involve the word California or cow are some sort of on / California. Yeah. They don't know why I like that. I like that. I'll take that. I like Red Hot Chili Peppers are there my favorite Bakery Anthony Kiedis has autobiography scar tissues, like one of the best autobiographies I've ever read in my life favorite scar tissues a song to write one of those. Yeah. Absolutely and there's yeah breathe autobiography. You can read it takes like a day. A to read or so favorite song though. Oh, that's brutal man. I don't know. I don't know. It depends. It depends Le depends on the mood that I'm a nice. Okay. What about today? Which group song today? Um this song that song that I want to hear today the Rocky theme song no, look that's no small stick with I'll stick with the Chili Peppers song. It's a it was one of their bonus songs when they re released an album It's called quixotic Elixir. So I'm I guess is your casual Chili Peppers fan has never heard of that. You're right because I'm a casual Chili Peppers fan and I have never even heard of that me. Yeah, it was it was released as like a bonus track. It wasn't on any albums when they initially released it. But yeah really good. So we have to give it a listen. Yeah and my good friend Graham and fantasy. Analyst Grand Barfield will back me up on this for sure. But but yeah brutal question are there you go. I was not prepared for that. I wanted to catch you off guard you did you did I was like wrapping up wrapping up the podcast and go do some, you know, post birthday stuff and everything and then you throw this on me man. I don't know. Yeah, happy birthday. By the way. I know I already said that to you, but I want to say it again. Happy birthday. Appreciate it. Hope you enjoyed your day man. I did I did was pretty relaxing and yeah do some family stuff today. I said Joe. Joe said yes these podcasts like how Ben turns 20 and I put out a tweet. I said Joe says this but my gut my knees and my back of my metabolism say something quite different than that. All right. Yeah. I did see that. I did see that that's hilarious. But I know I appreciate the birthday wishes and certainly we will be back next Saturday to recap anything that comes up this week. I'm really hoping that week 3 gives us a little bit of a Preview from the absolute disaster that week two was I don't know if that I don't know if the the NFL Community or the fantasy Community can deal with another week like this, but yeah definitely will be curious and we'll be touching on some of these updates, you know guys guys like Alshon and to Sean and guys like Damien Williams and Marlon Mac at Devon Devon Singletary and Cam Newton. I my guess is a lot of these guys will make brief returns and next week's podcast just As far as their timetables and week for statuses go, but you can follow me on Twitter at be kookiness. He is Edwin poorest. You can follow him on Twitter @ FF student doc any closing thoughts for our audience. Nope. Good luck this week. Yeah, good luck this week and we will catch everyone next Saturday and a reminder to listen in for Joe and Tom's week 3 recap podcast and that will be available on Monday. So good. Luck everyone and week 3 and yeah, let's hope for some better news this coming week than we did last week.
Ben Kukainis (@bKukainis) and Edwin Porras (@FFStudentDoc) recap the brutal list of Week 2 injuries and look at Week 3 updated injury statuses and practice reports across the league. They touch on Eagles wideouts and Carson Wentz (6:45), as well as the status of the Chiefs backfield (19:15). The guys then talk Big Ben, Drew Brees, and Cam Newton (26:45) before mentioning some good news on James Conner and the iffy situations of Marlon Mack and Devin Singletary (41:55). The guys finish up the pod with a game of "Edwin Says..." (46:20) and Edwin catches Ben off guard with a simple yet tricky question! A special congratulations to our own Joe Dolan for finishing #1 in Draft Accuracy for the 2018 season among 140+ sites and experts! This was Joe’s second #1 overall and third top-3 finish in the last 5 years, making his rankings THE most accurate preseason fantasy football draft rankings on average since 2015. Check out the complete list at fantasypros.com/nfl/accuracy/multi-year-draft.php. 