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Love us wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Nikki wolf. I'm going to start with Josh Klein. Because he's going to start talking no matter what he first 31st. It's catchy want to want to write so good. I love it. So great Josh Klein managing editor for the right report co-host of it is what it is is incredibly glad we've flipped over from mock draft season into draft grade season. Yes be - this is the way the the only time the best place to drink. The best time to grade a draft is legitimately at right after the seventh round ends like The phone network was like who won the draft and it's like guys I feel like we're maybe over jumping the the hurdle here know that said, it's really got away from me. Josh. Just don't talk to you. All right. We have a strict rule on the show. You can't just jump in I'm breaking or else you have to put a dollar into the jumping in jar. I've dollars over here jars for yeah, it's true. Lots of jars lot of jars. Did you mark yourself safe on Facebook after the draft Yeah, Safety First good. Beautiful ha ha ha. That was well done. Thank you. And who is this talking? Oh, it's Colin Hoggard columnist and contributor for the right report. Very glad. He put an asterisk on his assertion that the Panthers wouldn't draft a quarterback in the first three rounds. That is true. Thank you. Nick Wilson for suggesting that I not include the compensatory pick and it came through. Yep. You've had made you seem really smart because you were like, I don't think they're gonna draft him in the third round and then Nick was like, what about the compensatory pickier like? Oh well, maybe and then That perfectly it did and everyone was excited to see a local kid get a chance to live as childhood drink. Yeah, I was excited now. I mean, I was not how when I guess on Twitter, no, no, it was nothing goes well on to it, at least it was late at night. So a lot most people were already asleep. So yeah, that's sure if they just burned down Twitter the next morning. Yeah burn it all down. They did that like what is it Elmo the Elmo gift where he's just like raising his arms in the air with flames behind him. You don't why do you look at me like That I know what you're talking about it from thank you. Oh now you're not the affirmative but you're not. Well, maybe I should introduce him so he can speak on the one-day contract this week. It's Josh Sims Sports Anchor reporter with Fox 46, Charlotte Villanova and Syracuse Alum Jersey native and worst dancer than his weatherman. I cannot confirm or deny whether that's true, but shut up, too. Matt Kozar the dancing weatherman but he does he does these don't like Seventeen hundred videos by now. He has a lot of free time on his he does. It's incredible. He really does a some like real work trying to get viral like it's and I mean it works like when I say successfully getting viral I guess is the right word right? Because before he was the wrapping weatherman, that was like before Fox 46 what? Yeah, you didn't know about this you got to dig into his past. Do you restore link here? And he's the rapping whether bar and typing then he start dressing like I Cam Newton and that became a whole thing and then we all dress like Cam Newton for one of our pregame show so that also happened and then he started dancing now he reinvents himself constantly. This dude is incredible. I was a big fan of day. I think he dressed like Kemba he did that one point and somebody the first response on Twitter tagged him and was like yo Fox 46 Nick this dude looks like you and it's like that is like Twitter in a nutshell is like this dude trying to point out. Somebody to themselves right? It's just yeah, it's a lotta love Twitter. What are the rules when dressing like Cam Newton? Just something that you will never wear ever again? Pretty much. Yeah sounds about right? Yeah. You can't you can't you can't duplicate that. Yeah. No, that's true and wear a hat. Yeah, that's the other rule. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he brimless hat he invented the that's right. I forgot. Oh, I am not here for The Fez. We cannot have faysal Escape or Fez headed cam rolling through looking like you got an eraser. No, no. Mmm, he's gonna draw a line. There's got to be a line, but it's going to have like his going to have 10 tassels a very in both bells and a little car in the parade. But you know what go get me three hundred and three touchdowns you get all wear it with you wear whatever you want 303 in the in one season. Yeah, and he sees it. Well, you know, it's hard when you can't complete passes more than 40 yards down. Well that arthroscopic procedure cleared. Everything has got a lot of range of motion. I'm just gonna pretend like you said the right word, right? Yep. Okay. So is that not what a had a seashell procedure on us, right? Yeah. I think you called him a fossil. Yeah, whatever Arthur products leaders almost 30 something like that. Basically a fossil, you know, so we start the show with Nicky's super important question. A lot of people getting upset on the the Twitter's and Facebook's and all that over spoilers. So tell me what you think is the appropriate window. Gets for a spoiler alert. Ooh, that's actually a really good question. I know right? Okay. So I think for TV shows it's tough. So I would say you need probably like 72 hours for a TV show. I like that you said for a TV show because I do agree that like for movies and TVs at those windows are probably different. Yeah, and then well they may not be that different because I feel like if you're outside of opening weekend, it's okay for spoil. He's I Yes, but I feel like Monday probably but if you really didn't want Avenger spoiled for you, then you shouldn't be listening to this podcast on Tuesday when I tell you that I don't know any I haven't seen it yet. But I've heard yeah, exactly. Sorry and then say but I mean calling you were saying this earlier the Game of Thrones spoiling has just gotten out of control. Well, there was a time when Game of Thrones fans only took over Sunday night, and it was fine. I was more than willing to take a sabbatical from Twitter. But now you can't before noon on Monday. No chance you're just begging for it. It's you guys had the evening just take the evening, but can the rest of the world have you know, social media back in the morning? Yeah, I like can't no. No, that's yeah. It's know. It's it it's all just memes about I don't even want to say anything because like if you haven't watched the show, I'm still trying to catch up but like if you haven't watch a show and you're like well just pop on a little Panthers pod talk about one-day contract and I can't believe Ned Stark dies. Then. You're like what the fuck? I almost use one of our to curses and we're already doing better than last episode. I think our guest last time he's the best in the first four minutes. He used to he dropped one real mad. That's what have to live up to. Yeah, exactly. Stop dropping we only get two so I'm not actually sure that's a rule but we've somehow established it in the lore of the podcasts not even a rule. We just made it up. That's a rule. It's a one-day contract rule. Get it up. Here's the thing. What is it? Why is it acceptable just to go around spoiling stuff. Like what do you need to do? Like, I understand like if you just used an image or something like that from like that's fine. But like the idea of spoiling like she could just come up in conversation and be like, man. Can you believe that? They didn't like I haven't haven't seen that yet like that. I feel like there's a there now needs to be you know, a code a rules where it's like hey, do you watch this show? Yes. Hey, oh how far you know, like the like, I think you have to kind of, you know date. Before you discuss content now, that's a really good point little back and forth to understand where each other are because we're talking about people people don't care and people are stupid. Well, that's true General. It's all right, everyone wants to do is be included. So it's like oh this just happened. Are you talking about NFL GM's or just people in general I'm talking about the show was like five minutes in and out of bread in a group chat to be like this person is already the MVP and I was like do I just got out of work? Yeah even leave yet and you're already spoiling the episode. Yeah. Can we it's the episodes not Like the credits and you're like, can you believe that this just happened? That's like no not everyone works the same schedule or has the same amount of time. Let's wait a minute. And yeah just a just a thought. Have you all have you all played spoiler to someone before? No, I don't think so. The Ned Stark example was the first time you've ever done it. Yeah, sorry, so I guess I have technically but we were my wife and I my beautiful wife and I were watching that's nice. No, no never will my beautiful wife and I were watching 30 Rock and I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. But at some point there's a like a throwaway joke that either Grizz or.com is like, oh man Ned Stark does and my wife like we're just like watching 30 Rock randomly is like God damn it. Why don't you just say that and I was like, what who what are they even talking about? She was like, I'm reading that book He's throughout a spoiler for a thing that I'm reading. This is Aeolus she was like Ned Stark dies. No, it's like I think I've even knew that and it was like it was like season 3 of Game of Thrones prediction one. That was right out the gate. Yeah. No, but it was like in real life. Yeah, so they just assumed two years later. You've watched it. She was not and she was very unhappy and I used one of our two curses. I said, I think it's I think I would rather not be a spoiler and so I'd rather put precautions in my life to ensure that I don't ruin stuff for people. So ask if they're watching or if they're ever going to watch. Yeah, or just don't talk about it to them. There's that there's that but people got to get over the other people got it out of the world talk about politics or religion exactly the to backlinks Tacos, but sometimes the housekeeper, you know, the housekeeper's I gotta hear about the Panthers draft sometimes sometimes that's just the way life goes. Yeah. They're like, I think they might use Modena letter hard. She's like, all right. Thanks, Darlin. Thank you. Well at 8:45 into this podcast by the way, as we're going to start talking about football. Are you ready? Are we at well, what about the music though, too? So I got about 12 you might want to write that time down. It's a what 5:15 p.m. Tune in to 5:15 p.m. Let's get the let's talk football. And let's look at the the draft now we can now we can talk about the draft right? Yay. I'm now how about A first-round recap Brian Burns Josh one or do you want to be Josh one? I think you should be jiaxuan. You're our guest sure. It's more fun. It's because he wants you to call him the big dog so I could be Josh and yeah, that's right. This Brian Burns pick. How do you feel about this is a good pick? I feel good about it. I mean, I think they got a guy that I mean there are knocks on him. Like he's kind of slight he needs to put on Wait, which he already has put on like 20 pounds. But as far as they needed an edge rusher, they needed somebody in the trenches. They need to replace Julius Peppers. And I think people need to slow down saying like they found their replacement for Jewish Peppers because like let's be real Peppers is like a once-in-a-lifetime guide like he played so he was like 50 years old. So you're never going to really see another guy like Peppers or not this soon but I mean at the position they were at at 16. I think he was the guy to take right there. So I like his ability. I like what he can be. Be the thing about first-round picks at 16. I think we might have to wait a couple of years to see if he's gonna be any good. You know, he could be good. He could not be but we're not going to go on day one and I don't want everybody to be fooled in the spring when we're at practice watching these guys and they're like, you know, just having a t-shirt all running around and then Ron tells us all. Yeah. He looks great and then everyone takes that like, oh, yeah. It's the best player ever. He's really good. Like of course. Everyone's going to say, he looks great until we actually him in an actual game were really not gonna know when I honestly we probably won't know for a couple of years. Yeah, that'll be that's that's always Greg Olsen's point, right? Yeah, it looks looks great. Oh that young tight end looks great. Let's see the shortest. Yeah and shorts see him put some pads on. Um, I'm a I'm optimistic about this, but but not just picking at 16 but a pass rusher at 16 at a premium position at the most premium position on the defensive side. And I think the reason is obvious. I don't I know they want to talk about 250. I don't think he's I don't know. He's do 15 the man on my television that was 250 with standing next to him wearing Carolina Panthers blue. He that thats not 250 and I'm not trying to pick on the young man. But I'm that's my that is the number one concern because the athleticism the speed the ability to turn the corner all that is there I think he has more moves than an undersized Florida State past. Sure named Eva Braun the Panthers drafted before but maybe stop showing the spin moves on Twitter so much because that's only going to beg people to make that comparison but I'm optimistic in the other thing is if it's this three if they're making the move to the 3/4 and I know that we've got covert Ron now, you know anytime you comes to the he comes to the podium gotta gotta keep the master Secrets under under wraps can't give them anything. You judge has drafted a guy you really like and it's like nope. Don't worry want to talk about him you like him. You picked him. You can say nice things about him. It's okay. I'm optimistic about it. But I am concerned the tackles are just going to fall on them, too. Yeah, I I am also concerned about the weight. I think everybody is my thing here. There are two things. I really liked. The first one is that they waited for their guy like they they didn't go up and get Burns. I don't ever think that was an option really. Was going up to get somebody but I think that what they did was they they way they said okay, how is the board falling things are happening like as the draft kept going. It was like, oh all these guys that they like are still on the board and then it's like oh and oh and then all of a sudden it's like we're down at like 14 and Dillard and burns are still there out of it. Don't think that they were going to take Dillard if Burns had gone, but whatever we don't have to debate these hypotheticals on what happened because Brian Burns, the guy that they've been connected with since freaking January of of being mocked to they're very interested in Brian Burns. They love is versatility. They love how he can drop back in coverage how you can rush the passer if you could put on weight, it'll be great and then he did put on way and then they got he was there and they picked him and it's like this is how it should go. You should like a guy for four or five months and then if he's there you pull the trigger, that's what happened now. Colin what you said? I think that they I think the cat is at this point out of the bag that this is not a hybrid defense. They are moving to a 3-4 defense like every single thing that they have done in the offseason and every single thing honestly that Ron has said Indicates that they are moving to a 3/4 so it's like why do we have to keep beating around the bush and be like, well all these hybrid fronts? I'm sure they will at some point have four defensive linemen up there. But this team as it's constructed right now looks more to me like a 3/4 you don't draft two guys that play exclusively in a 3-4. If you are not making your move that way. Yeah, if this if he's a 4-3 defensive end, it changes completely the way that you look at this draft in my opinion. I'm not excited about mean He is he he looks like he's 50 pounds lighter than CJ and and expected to play. You know, the same or similar position. No Anderson Yeah. Well, yeah, but also that's why he lasted one game but now he's great. Yeah, the sorry. Oh CJ Anderson is great in the Panthers just waved him at least he's a finally came around. There's all the decent thing that he did is it finally admitted and when you got asked about that the Panthers were solid to him even though they had to take You know, they get crapped on for three hours on National Television. Turn your Bluetooth Panthers wave just got he asked he asked to go they were being nice. They weren't morons. Sorry. Are you fine? I don't know why I don't know why it would be to run to beat around the bush on this the anymore like this it because it completely changes the way I feel not just about him, but about the other defensive guys that you got in this draft. If you're telling me that they're playing in a 3-4 versus a 4-3 do we think that that all of a sudden the offensive coordinators in the NFL are getting about how how should I am ha ha? How's this? They're in a 3-4 would owe our notes are no good. Now, come on. Just let me know but they are so that this is they him and Marty have gotten to a point where they don't trust the media when they go in a press conference. They're not there to talk about whatever their business is to talk about. They're there to make sure they don't say something that might upset the apple cart and they walk on these eggshells when they're talking about guys that they have picked as young men to be a Of this organization there if there's ever a time to just be like look this is these are guys we like we're going to we're going to be effusive in our praise with them. No. No, nope. We're going to is still kg still playing this game constantly and I don't I don't think it serves them as well as that it serves them. Well in that room, I don't think it's serving them. Well beyond that room because if I look at this Brian Burns pick and just say well, you know, they're talking hybrid performance, but mostly them in a 4-3 team then I'm going to come on and I'm going to be I'm going to rag on this draft. And that doesn't matter, you know, but if it doesn't matter then why are you walking on eggshells? When you talk in these press conferences about guys that you like? I don't know. Yeah, Josh do you feel like they they are open and honest and I mean, obviously they're never gonna be open and honest but like one of the things that we talked about last week with with Nick Wilson was that like you just don't believe anything that they say at this point like everything they say, they're literally just like, okay. Well, it's the opposite like right now you're going to owe they even literally said we're going to go out and Half the guy that has Christian McCaffrey skill set and then they didn't do it. They drafted got it has Cameron artist paints kill said they already got cameras artists paint on the roster holding him hostage, but well, I'm glad that the RSS feed finally caught up to my pre-draft columns from last year when I said, I wanted a hammer for this offense. They've been found to this year. But yeah, like it's this into this this misdirection like, who do you think who do they think is paying attention at other teams like it? That's the only justification to me is that you think that other teams but But I just think that they have gotten both of them whether they feel like they've been burned by the media or whatever it is. And I don't think that that that's one of the toughest locker rooms or toughest places to get to deal with in the country. But it is you can I can feel it watching when you see them thinking through what they're trying to say to avoid saying anything and they will in fact end up saying incorrect things about guys that they have just drafted just because well this Is this what we say about guys that we like at this position? So I'm just going to say these generic terms and push it off. It makes no sense. And I I like both Marty and I like Ron and I will say Marty told and you heard in the song Marty said exactly what they're going to do. If you open the show you that he said exactly what they're going to do and they did that so that that part they're honest about that's great and I like both of them and I think Ron Rivera is is a truthful person, but for whatever reason when he gets in, Room they do not want to be honest about things that I don't think they need to be dishonest about. Yeah, it's kind of weird and I've seen sort of a transition with him and I've only been covering the teens to my fourth season, but I do feel like he was a lot more open when I first got here then he has been now mean don't talk to him about concussions and his guys just loses it and gets like attacks us for asking about a guy who's injured which you know, like we were I know they don't want to give away secrets to other teams on who's playing and who's not but Like Medusa been the custom protocol for like two years. You could just say something about it rather than saying like, nope. I don't talk about that stuff, but let Vermilion handle that but either way like I RV, I think they are protective in a way like we're going to burn them with something like you're saying and we just want we're just asking questions to like to know information. Like we just want to know do you like this guy? Is this guy going to play because that we times as Ron said we like, where are we? There is right now, we're not going to go out and make any moves and then a day later. They trade for like a corner from Buffalo or they started for like, you know, I remember they did that with Jared Allen when Charles Johnson got her a couple years ago and they traded and got it like yeah, I mean, that's a great move but it's like well, hey dude, you just said you're not going to make any moves you like where this team is right now. So what what is it? Yeah and becomes becomes more important to answer the question in a way. That sounds good. Then to answer the question - right there's hey you just had one. Of your leading sack guys go down. Are you guys going to make a move? Oh, no, we're happy with that. Why? Yes, of course. We're going to look at risk Josh. Why would you ask of course Josh? Of course, I'm gonna be if we don't reach out and discard the table. Where are we on the Streets Could you stay well and you know to bring it back to Burns and to now the other thing is they've drafted a slew of undersized pass rushers of draft the one last year, too. And M by five more often than not they're failures at any position. I think that would be it that the guys that them even Deshawn Hall like he was about to bring him up. Yeah. So what he's not even on the team anymore. Yeah, just gone. He simply Randleman in the in New York. Is it an amount of all right. Yeah get drunk. I mean you can go back to guys like Eric Norwood coming out of South Carolina like there you have had numerous guys. I mean even even Haynes like is still we're still in a wait-and-see, you know pattern with him. I just had Been impressed at their job at the job. They've done selecting slight pass rushers and yet here we are drafting a first-round slight past pressure and that gives me it gives me pause. But at the same time you can't watch Brian Burns played football and I go well if he can do that in a panther uniform, we're gonna like him just fine. I mean some of those little like Drop steps that he does the artist like holy Toledo like they're just they just put he put a bunch of tackles on skates that you just don't see very often and good tackles to it's not like he was playing at Toledo. And and playing against nobody's is playing against real real real people and it is totally don't mention it. Yeah. I try. Well I said Toledo but I was like that is a small school. So I'm gonna throw it out there the secret word of some sort like actually get paid ten dollars every time so we're Toledo is where it is. This episode is sponsored by Toledo the city of Toledo by the city of Toledo go see it not as crappy as you think that's actually better. Northeast Ohio in general well, you've been through worse they call it the Rust Belt for no reason. What was the brass cos the Brassica just came up with some sort of weird tagline like that like oh, yeah. That's what I feel like a Brassica. Yeah, we're better than me. I mean, they just owned it. We're we that place in The Wizard of Oz I don't know. That's maybe they're all the same exactly. We're all the same. Check us out there flat to know 2019 light went on moving on. So one guy that they did praise a lot was Greg Little. Did you like this move to go up and get him do they give up too much for that? I have a I have a cake. Okay shocking steam optic. Yes, so hot. I think that they wanted to I think Greg Little was in was in conversation. About the 16th pick and I think if you saw that guys sitting there at the end of the first round they were going to do anything and everything to go back and get him. They you heard from I think it was Max or somebody else tweeted out like they tried to go back into the first to get out of those and if you if so for me if they haven't graded this highly and on the right report.com, which I encourage everybody to go check out. That's the right report.com Vincent Richardson our draft analyst had Greg Little at his as his know. Number one tackle and so I think that the Panthers had him rated the same way and so they said to themselves. Okay, we wanted a guy at 16, but we couldn't pass up Burns now, he keeps falling and falling and the price wasn't right to get back into the first round, but the price was right to go up and get him. And this is why you have an extra pick you have your extra cam picked. They let Norwell ghosts. They would have an extra pick in the third round when everybody was like, oh, well, they got four in the top 100. This is why you have On the top 100 is so you can go back up and get a guy that you want that you think is falling and if and if they just drafted their left tackle of the foreseeable future, it doesn't matter that they gave up 77 to go up and get them if they gave up next year's first if they gave up a big 77 is inconsequential if Greg Little is the left tackle for the next 12 years in a Panthers uniform. I do not understand and you're right about the first round grade. I heard I heard similar things about him being in the mix at 16. And so they at the very second the you say the Panthers have a first-round not only first round great but a middle of the first round grade on it trading a second and a third if you did that any day of the week any day of the week leading up to the draft, he would trade a second or third to get a to get it, you know a mid-round first you you would people be fine with it. And so to me, it's almost like they made a move there is a reaction of it's They made a move. I don't like the valuation the move therefore. This is a bad move and I I'm with you that if they think he's a first-round tackle and we'll see we'll see just like all of them. But if you have that grade that you're absolutely right there is zero problem with the price tag paid to go up there and get them. So if you went out if you take 77 and 47 and you trade it for 17, right because they would have if they could have gotten 17 for that price. That would have gone up and gotten Greg Little at 17. Is that a better trade because you traded back into the first round you got the same guy, but the Optics are you've moved up further to get it like that's it's all part of this made up. It's just this made-up nonsense about this draft chart it is it is complete and utter garbage and nonsense because it just here's here's why how many how many great players are in each draft? Well, guess what it changes. Well, don't you think then when that first tier is going to drop off that that's going to matter in that draft, but no. We just use the same chart every year every year. There's a same number of good players that come out and by the way positions of know these charts in these things that try and figure this stuff out a second and the third to get a what they believe is a first-round tackle. Yeah. Oh, yes the mock drafts. The reason everybody hates Greg Little is because he was being mocked at like 40 through 64 this entire period for some reason. He got the lady got the lazy moniker. Her the takes plays off moniker and it he never shook it. All this guy did was go out and play good football for four years at Ole Miss three or four years. I don't know for however many years edit point right here. Now. I'm just joking. We got it at the show. He went out and play good football at Ole Miss and put a ton of good tape out there. But because he had this 5-star recruit but couldn't get on the field as a freshman weird thing. He had something where they say, so Oft he's he takes place off. He's lazy. All that stuff is in the past. I didn't see any of that stuff on tape and if Marty and Ron are convinced that he is not soft and lazy and takes place off. Then I'm sold. I don't need Mel Kiper to tell me that he should have been drafted at 37 if they had if they wanted to get him go up and get him and I have no problem with it if if they are able to solve their left tackle problems for a Amount of time and the price tag is a second and a third think about that and I just in terms of cap and all the things like the money you spent on Matt Khalil and you know in the years past and but the first round picks that other teams like the capital that people have put into trying to solve that left eye if they get it right with a second third don't even like it's such a joke to think that anybody would be upset with that. That's great value. Yeah. This is your guy. This is who you wanted that the trade is worth it if like you like you said if he comes in and he's your left tackle for a decade or whatever then if It's worth it. If this was the guy on your board that you wanted it doesn't matter what the people on the outside say are all the experts because like regardless you wanted this guy and you were going to try and get him. So if he works out it's on you if he doesn't work out it's on you, but at least you got the guy that you wanted now on the field. I mean, we've heard all the things you play with Kyler Murray and high school, you know, he's a great player there and played well when he did get on the field and college and then it's hard to shake those and I feel like everyone always looks for a downside with everybody because you never see anybody on the draft board. That's just like all the pros and then there's no cons. So I mean the mean streak thing. I mean, yeah, like people could say he doesn't have a mean streak and you want your guys in the trenches to have a Mean Streak, but we don't really know how he's going to react as an NFL player until we see him in an actual game and I feel like I keep saying that but you know, it's going to be figured out when we see him on the field, but I think the good thing about him and just listening to him talk when he had the opening press conference. I mean, he's a guy that said he's competitive. He said he wants to beat his mom when they're playing what was Chess or something? Yeah that are Checkers or yeah, space they thought yeah, so like I mean he's like, you know, like you like to hear that you like a guy takes it personal when anyone basically breeds on his quarterback and he said that and he liked it the for the fact that he played with the mobile quarterback and Carla Marie and high school and he said he loves, you know, protecting for a mobile quarterback. He actually likes that better as opposed to somebody that just stands in the pocket. Now, he does have to work on his protection in the Run game and both Marty and Ron admitted that and he said he needs to get better that as well. But I mean, that's all learning. The process for these guys, I mean bringing this guy in and if he can become that left tackle that allows you to move the other guys back into their natural positions its Shores up the line a little bit because what have we been talking about the past year and a half like this line is a mess and you got all these guys out of position if they can figure that out and little turns out to be the left tackle and the other guys could slide into their strongest positions than it's all worth it. So, you know, yeah you went up and you got the guy that that that to me is like we keep saying it and the Thing is that before the draft. It's like well, we gotta address Edge rusher and offensive line and that's exactly what they did with their first two picks. They went out and got their number one a dresser. Obviously Bose was hot, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like their number-one guy that they could get and then they got their number one guy that they could get at both positions and we're like, well, I can't believe they traded out a you could have had chased win a witch at 77. Now guaranteed Hall of Famer. Yeah. Well, he does pay for the path. So he's probably going to be yeah, but it's like for me and I turned I did actually like Chase benefits. But whatever the problem is that like, it's you can't win you just can't win if you ants if they answer defensive and and left tackle. I mean what more could you ask of a draft great everything everything? Everything else is gravy if you get those two picks, right? What if you get your quarterback of the future? Well, dang. Are you trying to move the show along? Are we doing this ding? I'm gonna let you start. I was really disappointed in my fellow Panther fans on Twitter. That seems like a recipe. Nope. No arrested over. I'm going to fight this battle. I'm going to fight this battle real and not bot. So there's no no these are these are real people. These are real people because they yeah, they're real people know this is you know, we talked about a little bit the beginning that this is a young man. They picked it with the third it compensatory picking these third round. Okay anybody that if you're taking a So seriously, so seriously, that is a third-round compensatory pick that you must fire off. Not one not two but multiple salvos of tweets about how bad this pick was congratulations your Scrooge. You can gradually you have the tiniest heart that you could possibly imagine. Just imagine this get this isn't picking, you know, Steve Alford over over Reggie Miller back in the days that the Pacer the Indiana fans wanted to Pacers do This was a third-round compensatory pick. It has three digits in the pick. It means 99 other players have been picked out of just this class just this class and yet people are upset about this and to me, it's just a bummer because how this this gets like this is this is the dream this is the absolute dream and in a great spot and I think this kid we've seen this kid have Swagger. We've seen him kick butt on the football field here and he's played Out of football and I think they are better at backup quarterback that second they draft a will GE then they were even to back to the final years of Derek Anderson backup quarterback because he was he was not prepared to go and play football game. I think we'll gears and go out there have a chance to play for the Carolina Panthers his you know, childhood team in his hometown and that I'm excited to see that I'm excited to see him with Christian McCaffrey with DJ with all those guys on that offense because he's going to he's going to do things that cam doesn't Do and it's he's not going to be at that level, but I'm excited to see and I feel better about investing him for two or three years than I do anybody else that they brought in behind cam. Are we swayed by the fact that he's from here? It feels like the fact that because he's from here can't be a good pick. Okay, like it. I think it's I think it's well because when the Bobcats when the Bobcats Stardust kind of screen the Bobcat know it does I know it's AJ made the joke, you know, it's fine 30 minutes after I played with in draft status as high as you know, I didn't get it right. He got it, right JJ got a right JJ friend, but it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. No, but when they when the bark has drafted Raymond Felton and I'm a coming off of National Championship and it's like so now anytime there's a guy that's like local now Clemson's okay, South Carolina's it's like far enough. There's levels. Yeah. Yeah like that but you know, it's but I do think it worked against him because I think the people felt like I do think that people felt like it was a gimmick pick and to me I don't I do not I do not think that at all like I don't think there's you know, the The and part of it too is the Chris leak thing that that was a thing for a while to where it's like we had the hometown kid the went Florida just like will GE and did he go to Florida? I thought he went to West Virgina. Oh God, and then people for years would say. Hey, we should try them here. We should try them here. We should try them here and I think people and so that I don't know if there's either tinges of that that are that have hung over, but I do think that it played a role and I think it I don't know. I think people just wanted to be sour for He's on Twitter No, but no but this is Panther. Yeah, I get it. Right I get it but I'm saying this is Panther fans. Like this was Panther on Panther crime if Will Grier was goes on if he goes on Twitter and sees what Panther fans his hometown team saying about him right after he gets drafted. He's not, you know, he's bummed out. That sucks. I don't know. It's third recompensed or pick let the kid play some football before you were you guys surprised that he was there that he was there at 100 I was a little bit I so here's here is basically to me is what happened. The Panthers had will gears their third best quarterback on the board behind. I don't know Haskins and one of the other ones that went block Jones Kyler. I don't know one of those three guys, so they had will gers our third best quarterback on the board. He was there at the 100th pick either right behind them or at 102 the Pats were picking and they also are in the market for a Young quarterback. And so they said Of themselves if we want to get our guy just to be clear someone that they had ranked as the third best quarterback in the entire class and was available at 100. They said hey, this is a great value and perhaps the best player available. Let's go and get him out of position of need. Let's go and get them at 100. Now. I know everybody in their mom wanted Chauncey Gardiner Johnson who somehow everybody had watched tape on starting at like pick 90 and thought Chauncey Gardiner Johnson was the next comment section. Coming around a lot. But I think that again I did like to answer your Johnson also, but everybody he meets himself. I think I mocked him to the Panthers at 100. But I think that will Grier is was a guy that they had ranked hot they kind of did exactly what they're supposed to do. They have somebody ranked higher than their spot at 100. They know somebody is going to take him at 102 and I can and I said to a lot of people like if they bless on the new the Patriot anything with the Patriots was the Armani Edwards pick, so, let's see. Atoms are nice and private they knew never mind. No, but it but they did this patch went up and bought and got its to them. So they obviously they liked Greer to so those guys were both in the same class to me and just to go back for a second when the Panthers went up for Greg Little the pick after them. The bills went up for Cody forward. So it was obvious that those guys there were there were tackles on people's mind this these guys know more than we do about where other people are. Going and where the value is. Now all that being said, so I think that at 100 you have a guy that's rated highly on your board at a position need because the backup quarterback now is the best backup quarterback of Cam Newton's entire career. Sorry Derek if you're listening for because he plays golf. I think that it's all that being said, he also eats. Yeah, all that being said words out now. There were other places they could have gone at 100 and they could have made made an impact on their roster. But the reality is is this guy was most likely the best player available on Marty her knees board at a position to need so they went out and got him would it would I have done it maybe but I see where they're coming from. I know I'm just hedging everything that I say but like I see where they're coming from but at the same time it's like this is what you want them to do is go out and get a guy that they have ranked highly and trust their instincts. Their gut you say Marty her knee is great at the first round. These guys all have first-round grades. Yeah, I think if the Patriots had taking will Grier everyone would be raving about how great a picket was as a backup quarterback. Yeah, anything the Patriots do is great, obviously, but like I mean for the Panthers they've been talking about and even Ron said a couple years ago, they figured out when they had you know what Derek Anderson wasn't coming back that they had this change where they're like, we don't just need a backup quarterback. We need somebody we can groom for the future. So with Will Grier that's One that you can hopefully groom for the future because they saw Kyle and they saw Taylor heinicke and while they like those two guys, let's be real if they like them that much then they wouldn't have drafted will Grier, you know, yeah, so they if they like them that much they wouldn't have watched him watch yet. How do you think Panthers Twitter would have reacted if the Patriots took him do you think it would have been the opposite reaction like, why did why did you take him because he's from Charlotte and and we and they talked about they had visits with Will Grier so they talked. About how much they like this guy? So if they sense that someone else like we've said the Patriots were going to come up and take them then, you know, it's all like a chess game. They're all trying to figure out who somebody else is going to try and take and if they're going to take them before and they have them on their board. Then they're gonna take him before someone else can so if that's the situation and you know you want will Grier then at that position you take him at the risk of losing, you know, like there's other quarterbacks that were still on the board and like you said Stidham went after and I think Ryan Finley didn't go to the fourth round and you know you See some people out there that thought some of those guys that went after Greer were actually better quarterbacks. We're not going to note. So we see these guys on the field. Now. The one thing I notice about Greer is he's not as big as I thought he was when he was in the press conference room. Yeah, it looks kind of small but I find kind of small here. No, cuz I'm this is important. He's like, especially good I guess but I mean, you don't have to be big to be a quarterback like that. That doesn't go. I just thought you were grinding was to us all but he gets brownie points because he shook everybody every media. Remember, he shook their hands after he was done. Yeah, he really is a stand-up guy. I mean, I don't know if you need your quarterback to be a stand-up guy. You can be a jerk and be a good quarterback. Who knows but I did like that about him. I mean there are obviously knocks. He doesn't have the strongest arm of the world. But you know, we just played a season where the quarterback couldn't throw it for the 10 yards. So I mean if he could throw it further than 10 yards like him could last year then all right. We're already ahead of the game. Yeah, you know, so he's got intangibles. He has the ability to be a good quarterback. Obviously, he's going to sit behind cam. If we cams healthy to start the year, but he's going to be there to learn and he's going to be in the room with KM in whichever. You know what Kyle Allen and Taylor are still technically on the roster, right? So he just adds depth to the room as they say when you know, like they want him to be the back of the iron. But I mean, I also like it from a standpoint of it puts a fire under can because like this is the first time they've brought his successor in so he's staring at the guy that is could potentially take his job and like like yeah, of course, they're going to be cool now whatever but like, you know cans obviously been motivated and I think his ego took a hit last year and he's admitted that he's come out and talk about how it hurt him to not play well and to be hurt and to try and play through it and just realize that your career could be over like that. So now not only does he have that he has a guy in the room with him that could take his job. So if you need any more motivation Cam's got it so from a standpoint of motivating your qb1. This is a good thing. Yeah, I agree with you. I think the other thing and it's the elephant in the room. So we got to address it. Right. I mean Cam Newton's gonna be 30 years old and has had to shoulder procedures over the last two years like it is just it those are facts and whether or not you want to say like, well he can play for another six years. That's fine. That's great. We all hope that he does play for another six years at 2015 levels. But if he doesn't you cannot just put your head in the sand and pretend and and if it's not will Grier you wasted. The 100th pick in the draft which doesn't matter like that's that's the reality. You know, how many third round quarterbacks have been drought there are a ton of for third round quarterbacks over the last 15 years. And if your name isn't Russell Wilson, you haven't been good. So this is the time when he when he's going to turn 30 and you say Okay. So let's go get a guy in the third round. He can sit behind cam. Maybe he sits behind campers entire rookie deal and then you have to then you make your Jimmy. Pablo decision but this is what smart teams do is they go out and they address something before they absolutely have to because everybody keeps saying well if Cam's dead then then the season's over anyways his just tank but that is not the right attitude. You can't just tank out and try to go for 200 because to of might not be that good you got to take as many shots at the dartboard as you can and they did it with when you're going to do with a hundred pick in the draft and who gives a shit. It's one there's there's the other curse. Sorry I use both of them. And I think they really hit the sweet spot here because as we said in last week's show I was adamant that didn't want to see him use one of the first, you know, third round earth first three round picks. Yeah said that yep was the only and we all say 100 with the with the sweets. He was sitting right there and yet it doesn't I mean like it, you know, it doesn't look like they would have been there or he would have been there 115 so he would not he would not have so yes, so at 1:15, we're not having this conversation because it's a fourth-round pick and everybody's fine with it. We're quibbling over 15 pics with in the middle of the draft here. One of those pics was Chauncey Gardiner Johnson, but we're quibbling about 15 picks because nobody would complain as a fourth round or fourth round pick. The other thing is if you say well, I'd rather have seen them play later or wait later. Who are you getting there? Because I think there's a very real possibility as we just discussed with Cam shoulder that will girls going to play one game at least this season. I mean, would you would you place a wager? Campaign 16 games now, you know, he may come out and be full Brahma Bull and say I'm not sitting for anybody and that wouldn't surprise me. We've seen that of him before but based on the average the last several years. We're going to play a game and there's no but you're picking in the fifth sixth seventh round that you can feel better about going out there. Well, if anyone's trying to use this pic took like decipher what is going on with Cam and his shoulder and how healthy it is. This didn't tell us anything Marty Marty was adamant. He was adamant when they when they came in they literally pounded the table. Yeah, he's like he was adamant and and see but he was the felt like yeah, you just pounding the table because he was in tissie. This is the thing Marty was anticipating what the media reaction was going to be before he even got down to that room. And that's why they continue to have this negative tone and these press conferences when it should be upbeat because you're adding dude to the team. All right. I'm off that one saying that a little bit for cam to because yeah cam was gonna you know, that's true and if we know guys that a fragile ego, it's cam as much. He's like Brash and but you know, like he still I think to me you you said this and it like crystallized in my head. You said it like two years ago. How many years do we have to debate whether Cam Newton is still going to be the starter for the Carolina Panthers? Do we have to can we go one off season without it being like, well, you know, maybe this is the year when Derek Anderson starts like that that was those were actually conversations and when people they made a third-round pick the 100th pick in the draft and people are like well this guy should is he going to start over Cam Newton who won the MVP for seasons ago and drag these teams to their to the playoffs like this. It's utterly ridiculous. Like no one else has to deal with this. Do you know many quarterbacks? The Pats have drafted in Tom Brady's career. They've drafted 10 quarterbacks while Tom Brady's been on the roster including the coach of the Arizona Cardinals, they drafted and three of those quarterbacks they drafted. Before the Panthers drafted will Grier so this is what teams do if you want to go with the Patriots model. Everybody's like, oh you got to do what the Patriots do they go out and they make they look at Value and they go out and get somebody at the most valuable position that they think is good that they think is a good value. They let them learn and just in case something happens. Yet you have a back-up plan. That didn't not have a job for two months last year. Sorry Kyle. I love you if you're listening. Yes, that was so weird. I meant to go like this. I'm a drill like this. You're looking right at the other Josh and then I went no, I went right down the barrel and oh my God, there's no way that that's not going to be in the trailer right seasoned rice. Let's run through the rest of these guys pretty quickly. Are you all right? No, I might we might need to stop your acting like you're acting like the Panthers just draft a quarterback at 100 and then I did some sort of weird kissing peace sign towards the that's run through a Sammy Sosa. I was trying to know your why did you like man you panic? You're like I don't this fourth and fifth round picks Christian Miller and Jordan Scarlet Josh one. Am I Josh one or you Joshua? He's still I think you're Joshua and I'm going to call him big dog to get him back to life. Thanks. Thanks, little dog. Thanks. Thanks. What do you think of these guys? So Christian Miller Another like you talked about how the the biggest secret is to switch it to a 3-4 defense. This is another point that that's very evident with Miller because he could play Edge rusher he could slide to linebacker. I mean the big question with him is durability because he didn't miss the miss National Championship Games past season the hamstring the year before torn by step. So if he could stay healthy, he's got the size. He's got the speed. He's got the moves to be a good Edge rusher and he comes from a good program and Bama. So you like that big question mark I had down with him is just his ability to stay healthy, but you also want one of these Edge rushers like you said to work out George Scarlett speaking of question marks. I mean this dude had what he suspended two different seasons for what you had the whole credit card fraud thing and his junior year the marijuana possession is freshman year, and all right, so they talked about going into the Draft, we want a guy cuz I mean the biggest not kept secret last year was Christian character going to touch the ball every single possession. So you want a guy that you can bring in that can do the similar things that McCaffrey can do so does Jordan do that? I mean all we saw from him was him rushing the ball and and in the post, you know presser they talked about like, yeah, he didn't have that many opportunities to catch the ball the backfield, but from what we've seen he has that ability to do that. Well, he didn't really do it at Florida. I mean, yeah, he picked his spots and you look good and And then he didn't look so good. So he's kind of inconsistent and my biggest thing with them if you're going to draft a running back, you gotta use my camera's Pains been on that team for how long it feels like 20 years. And I mean, I'm in the camp with just let the guy go play somewhere like you're just holding him hostage because when he does fill in he plays decently, well, I need to keep the value High. I think if he gets one step if he gets a scuff on them the value just plummets, whatever either way so If you're going to bring Jordan and yeah use them in the later rounds, I would hope that he's going to get some kind of opportunity to play but I still feel like he's going to be there as a backup and it's McCaffrey, you know gets hurt then maybe you play him but I still feel like this is the McCaffrey offense. So, you know, he's good if he works out. If not, I don't think there's anything against yeah, I mean the draft the draft is hard, right? Yeah. It's like everybody after after pick 99 is like well if they don't work out then who cares you just cut them. It's fine like Deshawn Hall is anybody really morning? The Deshawn Hall era. He was picked higher than will Grier picked higher than Jordan Scarlet higher than Christian Miller and they cut him after one season and everybody. Nobody really cared like that. It is what it is on these late round picks. I think Christian Miller it was weird. I've actually feel like they did a little bit of this with their whole draft class where they looked at guys that had one flaw that caused them to fall down draft boards like Brian Birds too small Greg little soft. So Christian Miller has Drink problems, Jordan Scarlet breaks, the law all the time doesn't have hands. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah exactly. Dennis daily is is only has one leg like these things are like the they had like one flaw exactly. When a natural right tackle. Yeah, he's well, he's right like so he's that's what he's he's guys are just trouble kicking over. Yeah, let's say you should see the slide something. They've never seen before got that hop-step. Yeah, exactly. We it's unbelievable. You should see him pull. No God. All right, and the show we've good Lord. I had a point they went for these guys that had a flaw that had them caused fall down other draft boards and something that they felt like they either they could fix or was being over valued or over stimuli like was causing too much of a problem. I just and so they went out and said, okay Jordan Scarlett. That people have a sixth-round pick on him or six round grade because he steals credit cards. He's not going to steal credit cards when he's got a $600,000 then I mean, it's just a stolen credit. Yeah, exactly. Whatever. Well, I'm sure it's not even still I'm sure some sure like an agent or somebody gave him a stolen credit card and whatever smoke weed and one of his freshman, like if that's illegal. It's lock me up. That's your limitation is out. Anyway, you're good. You know what? I like about Chris Miller. I'm hard-pressed to think you could find a better pass rusher that knows how to play the position and day 3 situation in Christian Miller and look, you know tits is he gonna be able to stay on the field? That's that feels like the only question because if he is he has the moves I like the fact that it feel like between him and Terry Godwin even will Grier that they got guys that I feel like no safety finally start appreciating, you know, Christian McCaffrey grew up in a football household. It seems that did he gives them a lot gives a little leg up seems to have some you know thought about football more than the other, you know, a lot of other people and I think and a three you look and even including career that you look and they got guys that are football household guys. I know that that sounds like one of the old draft cry things but when you watch Christian Miller, you can tell that he has played and thought about a lot of football because of how varied he is out there on the field and that is something that's it. As a tremendous asset to get out of a day three pass rusher word. Normally. It's like well, he's strong as an ox. He's got some quickness and he's got his one move, you know, but we're going to try and teach him, you know, call this. Yes. I also really like I like Dennis daily. They said in the press the presser after the draft. They said we really like our guys they all it was like 5 SEC guys and ACC guy in a big 12 Big Ten. I don't know where's old missed is that SEC? That's what I thought you were messing with, West, Virginia. Thought that you're confused on on them. Yeah. What is that? We're back to Big Twelve, right? Yeah. I only know about big dogs. I think only one in this conference. That's right the big one. Nope. Nope. That was awkward. Sorry for that, but they made a point of saying we wanted these guys that played against a hot high level of competition somebody like Dennis daily is not going to be asked to go in and start right now, but they had nothing Behind These tackles. So if If you if you are saying okay. Well Darryl Williams are Taylor milk is going to swing over and play left guard. Now you're in a position where it's Greg Little and one other dude at tackle and it's like well, who's the Isaiah battles the backup at least you got a guy that you may you may be like as your fourth tackle. So that's it for Dennis daily and Terry Godwin I guess is damir bird 2.0 and this probably gonna get hurt all the time, but maybe not even make the team so not sorry. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa, okay, we're gonna slow down because Jordan Scarlets the day three guy, that's not going to make the team because Do you want to bet I'll take Holyfield over Scarlett. I forgot they sign Holyfield Holyfield over scarlet and the in a Georgia versus Florida battle. I think if it's Holyfield versus Godwin they're taking Holyfield. I think they would rather have three two rookie running backs, then then that will keep rookie wide receiver. I think they're terrible Terry Audubon and active list. All right. All right. I think Terry Godwin is better than everybody else that you think is in Terry Godwin's class on this roster. I think Terry Godwin has a chance. Has to be Jarius bird in the long-term like for like if you think what Jerry's bird was remembered our Jarius Jairus Jairus, right? Jerry stranger Focaccia. Sorry, I can't well I can play Whispering as a businessperson. Yeah. Um, I watched him a Georgia he caught but he would catch balls on third down all the time. And I think he is the kind of guy that can be that that security blanket. He is still a little undersized. That's why last as long as he did but I like him better than any of the guys that we've had in the not really a wide receiver, but we're going to throw him out there for ten plays the Philly Browns. I think he has a chance to be better than that crop of guys that was actually his comp on nfl.com with Corey Brown. I'm sorry, excuse me, sir. Philly yes, well now that we're out of the draft there's some noticeable holes in the roster still to is there one that we had a song about I feel like college should start because I mean he made a song for this. So this is for Josh because I said I said I didn't buy it. I didn't think this is I've been I've been fooled for a decade. I wasn't getting fooled anymore and I was happy to hand the torch over. So how was it? How was it being the guy that was that was optimistic about a free safety on draft weekend. Here's my thing. I think that once we got past a certain point once they got to will Grier at a hundred and they passed by our guys Chauncey Gardiner Johnson who may or may Not be the best safety is ever lived. Once that didn't happen at 100. They're just signing a free agent. Like it's just one hundred percent true. So instead of being like well, we drafted this guy in the fifth and we're real excited and Ron can come out and be like, well, we like it does a lot of nice things and he does a great job out there and we're really excited about how corn Elder looks at save. We're going to give them a real look and Cole Luke is a guy that we really like instead of that. They just didn't get a safety the board didn't fall the way they wanted it to and now they just go out they Restructured Luke's contract for a reason they have 14 million dollars worth of Space 7 of it is going to go to the rookie class. You got seven million left two million of that is for Trey Boston Mike Mitchell Darian Stewart Glover Quinn, like one of these guys that's not the best safety in the world. It's we've been playing this game for since the Hornets head Scotty Burrell as they're shooting guard howdy parole. Knows I've got fucker Coleman and bring him back. I mean, would you be surprised if Kurt Coleman he was at Jason Azusa. Yeah now that's a much is nothing left in the tank. But I love Kurt. Yeah, I or Mike Adams for that matter. I mean, whatever bring it back we will last you gray. Like the problem is that it has been a philosophy for her for a while now. Yeah, that's the trouble but that's they go ahead free safety is a tough position to to put big draft capelin for a lot of Because it feels like it's a position you can take away. Like if you know how they've got the greatest free safety plays great Centerfield. Well, we're not going to throw We're not gonna throw deep. You know, we're going to do do those things this thing good though. Don't you want people to not throw deep? Well, but it depends because I mean, you know like yes, but then against the quarterbacks that matter they can they can operate, you know, I gotta bring a really good point Twenty Yards. Okay. All right, damn it. So I think that's why you think for for the fans like you see the interceptions we see the plays and I think it leads to two safeties getting pushed up draft boards, but I think a lot of times these guys feel like they are you know on the football side that find to do this not going to let someone get behind him. And after that it's you know, yeah, I mean as long as they don't sign Eric Berry to like a six million dollar contract, I'm fine. I get it. Nicky is so mad that I even said as mentioned his name like the old juice. It's like Beetlejuice that Twitter is going to start talking about it. Like well, I haven't. Oh there they were a suit of cgj. Didn't get drafted in a hundred that close you can call him that that's my God. He's gvr it's funny. Yeah, it's true. It's funny in the draft. Were you there on Friday night Friday night. What day was Wednesday through now? That's Friday night yet. They through Saturday. Yeah. No, but when when all the Chauncey Gardiner Johnson Friday and we like at about pick 85 we started joking around about like who we thought it was going to be because I'll be perfectly Frank in the media room when it was midnight. And it seemed as if Will Grier is going to be the pick reporters were unhappy because it meant that we're going to have to stay for a really long time. And so we were like why don't they just draft Chauncey Gardiner Johnson will write a draft Panthers can fill their safety hole and then we'll get it get the F. Oh, maybe I'll have a nice Whiskey on the way home, but then it will Grier and you gotta that's a whole thing. So it's a whole thing, but I think that there and so we kept being like Chauncey card hits happening and then it didn't happen. So what? other noticeable holes on this roster Um, I think if they are if it's at the three four, they probably need another defensive lineman, which I think they're probably going to go out and get a guy that you've never heard of that will someone will inevitably fall in love with and be like Alan Bailey's my guy. I love them like which is the way it is with most defensive lineman, but exactly didn't people probably weren't excited for the Kyle love signing in the first place. But then when they re signed them everybody was like yeah. Yeah. We got it back, baby. Championship they like him in those little half shirts. Yeah. Well the call out. Oh, yeah proud as hell crowd, you know loud and proud gotta be. Hey Cody, you'll he's probably out there somewhere. Well, he probably is a pot. Yeah, they you're not right. You're not Raphael defensive. Yeah, they could probably use it. Well in the Super Bowl though, it's my walked along with the DVD just hands it out to people don't they need a nickel Corner still? If I don't they have them write what they hired what do we believe in corn and corn and and Kevon and who's that? There's another one and Rashawn gaulden right is I think what I think they're I think gold is gonna be there nickel corner. Like they don't just say that kind of stuff and why I'm here also when you want you want sorry. I feel like calling because I get mad but it's like you're gonna let me know that you want you want you want the Panthers to draft the safety in the third round, but they did that last year and he's not going to be on the team in 2021 like these they don't it doesn't Work every time and so then it's like sorry like these pet these pics don't work all the time and it's just frustrating like it's just everybody thinks every pick is going to be either All Pro or if they didn't go with the guy that you wanted then he stinks. He's probably somewhere in the middle after the fantasy team at some point and they think that they know they are GM they get it figure it all out, you know, the Bruce Irvin sine Phi D end and 3/4. Is he playing or that you think they're going to? I mean, I think he's the one of the outside linebackers and a three four. I think you could probably both. So I think he's going to do a little bit of both and like I think they that they you know, they love those those versatile guys that can play. Yeah, exactly. But I think yeah. Those are the tough spot for Mario though. So yeah feel like he's kind of the odd man and he was the one that get you know, finally got guys payday, but God has page a though. Yeah, that's true. Count your money. Yeah, exactly count your money and then and then sign. More like one one year seven million dollar deal like Charles Johnson did and then ride off your team leader. And then have a ridiculous press conference where you were a funny-looking suits and it is this why there is this why they're keeping Vernon Butler, you know, they can see him to see what he may be able to be in the nose I guess is what they say like, he's big. Yeah. Do you ever see a picture of Vernon Butler on draft night? Like he weighs like a hundred pounds more than he did on draft night that cannot be true, but it's but it acts but he looks It's like here I'm gonna just pull it up and then Tire Brian Burns and then you guys in this audio medium can can can listen to us react to yeah, or how Tavern and Bubba guess you smell 20 pounds. Oh do I need to look up as wait, but I'm just so I'm telling you by like looks look at that. Does that is that what Vernon Butler looks like now? I don't know. No, he looks like Vernon Butler is humongous now. Alright, I'll be pulling up a picture of her Butler there in a second. All right, here we go. How much do you weigh? Look at that? That's for Annabelle. When he was drafted, okay, sorry listeners and by the sorry, I mean nobody. You're welcome 2019 I guess for 2018 because he didn't take a lot of pictures in 2019 years young is Graham Graham has his debts. He's probably got his all on there. Oh, he's squatting there. Come on, you guys. All right. I'm sorry. Well, he'd just gone through the draft process, you know, yeah. Yeah, you know Yeah, alright. Alright. Well, it's let's end this yeah us looking at pictures. All right. Well, I was once a I'm is optimistic about those a 3 as I've been it was really pretty much a big dad. I really feel like they each one of these guys. They've got their own obstacle. They wet their own hurdle, but I feel like all of these guys if they can get over that hurdle you feel like I could see them on an NFL field and to get that and day three I think is nice job by the guys. I looked much as Terry Godwin at the it playing for the Orlando Apollo's just tearing it up you it's fine. It's fine. Yeah that an AF T. It was I wouldn't even did you get a GG Jersey before? No, but they're probably on sale right now probably super cheap. Can we play a game? Yes game time game time Camp 2 K 1. So rank 1 to 99. We are doing draft class grades who wants to go first? Colin oh, oh I get to go first on this one. Hmm because you're the only person not named Josh or Nikki. I'm gonna give this I'm gonna give this a solid Wesley Walls. I think this is easy five. You got looked they went and got two of their top guys at the two positions that you would want them to get in this draft. They traded to get up for it. I am not convinced. Anybody else is going to be a bona fide starter, but I think all these guys have a chance. I give it a solid solid be great. Okay, Josh one. I'm gonna give it a Greg Olson. It is like a nice hair the other day. That's what the ability to slide to an a - a 91. I don't even know whose 91 cocks. Yeah. Yeah. All right, but I set for the mere fact that I think they got from their standpoint. I give it an 88 because I think they got what they wanted for the most part. I think they filled, you know, they addressed the trenches getting you know, you know. Basically two guys on the line offensive line two guys in the defensive line. They got a backup quarterback and will Grier they got what they I mean, they got what they were looking for like whether these guys pan out or not. That's still yet to be seen But at the moment I feel I think better about this draft than I did last year. So idiot feels about right to me. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's wait it's weird. It's weird because last year I got it great are skilled at 350 burrito. Big dog so much Vernon Butler waste, thank ya. You're not wrong. So it's interesting that you mentioned last year right? Because last year, I feel like we were we were like, oh, well DJ more that was the guy they wanted and then everybody else. You were like like Dante Jackson. Did anybody know who Dante Jackson was before the draft started? I didn't and yes others lady Williams. Yeah, so it's like I knew that they I knew who Greg Little was I knew they'd like Greg Little and for them to go out and get their first round guy in the second round. That's that's a pretty good grade to me, and they exactly they did exactly what they wanted. So I will give it a moose in Muhammad from their perspective, but from an outside perspective. I'm going to give it a Blake brocker Meyer. I think they're I'm not I need to see one of these late guys Purdue's before you call it a good draft class because the first two guys should be good like you, correct you Would you should always nail your first round pick like everybody gives hurting a lot of credit, but that's what you should do is you should nail the first round pick just because the Raiders went out draft the Cleveland Farrell at for doesn't mean that it's great that you didn't do that like that is you have to nail that first-round pick and then that's how you keep your job. And then you are good at your job by nailing second third fourth fifth. That's when you're that's when you're good at your job. So you're saying going up to picked in. You'll Jones at six. Hmm. What's this? Is there really a good first round my dear probably not. That was odg. Yeah God, he's crazy. Right like it's doesn't but the thing about that is if you can like black out and forget that the rest of us was our rest of it was actually pretty solid. Yeah. Well, they they traded Odell Beckham for jabril peppers and and Christian Wilkins. That's not he's not ideal. I still think that has to be Under Trade, I do. Yeah, you've said that before I think for me honestly and so here's the other thing that we all know that that goes back to the Panthers to is if Daniel Jones is really good then David gettleman. Looks like Ajit. We're all blasting every him for being like well, that was our number one quarterback and don't get me wrong. He could be terrible. He went to Duke. So I'm sure he some no one has ever drafted a terrible quarterback in the top 10 exactly especially like in like a draft like when like Even when they were saying there was the hardest was the cover of Sports Illustrated. The hardest pick was going to be between cam Blaine Gabbert. Who is the third one? I remember Jake Locker. Yeah. Yeah out of that guy. Yeah exactly exactly is still phenomenal that we fall in the same traps time it like with with the draft even when it happens. We're just like oh but it's team specific. It's very much team specific because like the look at the Raiders I get people wanted to clown the Raiders for the picot 4 and then there was like quietly. There's a lot of analysts. Well, I had him at him at six actually had him at eight. So it's not really that crazy, you know, but then other people like no no, he's outside the like well, but there's other people saying that he could be just as good to yeah, and he's a great guy and they were trying to do their culture thing. I'll tell you I'll take it further just show you how specific how the team specific stuff this this weekend. We had the Chiefs had their situation with the Tyree kill audio coming out, but I don't know if you noticed but when the the trade between Seattle and And Kansas City now now because Frank Clark is on the Chiefs now people care that he had an incident in college, right? I'm sorry, but he went because that was right when Greg Little and all that stuff was going on here and then Seattle who everybody loves because they're Progressive and they build planes and coffee and they're just they're so smart up there in Seattle. They got a needle and stuff. It goes to space. I think any little accent that's it is so it's how we talk about him down here because we're dumb down here Josh on if you figured that out. We're done. I'm new to this. Yes are no because he could see when you're from Seattle from San Francisco. You're just you're just you're great people and your Progressive and you never do anything wrong. And so it's why when their owners do things like, you know, cut Colin Kaepernick or draft, you know draft guys the like beating on women and hotel rooms that it's okay and it's only when they moved to a team like Kansas City that now five years later four years later all of a sudden people go. Oh, how are they going to do it now adding Frank Clark he's Been playing for a team you guys love for four years and no one cared. No one cared on draft day. No one cared until the day he signed with Kansas City and guess what can see doesn't have the same pull and here we go. Let's start. I mean they've done it to themselves. They made their bed, but the idea that now five years later they have to deal with this Frank Clark nonsense when Seattle just goes well, we draft mrs. Good football player and and we are in a culture here and Seattle that we preach growth and Coming off schools, and we just that's how we view it. But those people down there. They just like people that beat on women. Telling you it's true. It's true. I don't even know where to go. Now. I was no it's I'm saying that this is team splits the Raiders the traitors draft pick was going to be clowned that the way we treat teams. He is predetermined but a Cattleman is a buffoon because he's because he's a buffoon never nobody mentions. Nobody mentions that the dude had a team that was 15 and one not one person. Not one person. There's not another GM in that entire freaking draft outside of Bill Belichick that has that and nobody nobody can remember four years. Back, I mean come on like this. The DAC is the the deck is stacked that the the way the roles people are supposed to fill our what they want to fill and that's the way that these draft picks get treated more often than that. It's the same thing that I've been saying is that it's the mock draft culture that we're in is like when you see somebody so Cleveland Farrell never got mocked in the top eight, right like what he was mocked at like nine sometimes and like there were times people had him going in the top 10, but no one had him going at For so it's got to be a reach now personally, I think it was a reach but that that idea that like because I've never seen Kuiper put him at 4:00. He can't possibly be that good and the same thing for Greg Little you don't see Greg Little at 16 very often somehow over the course of the season over the course of the offseason since the season ended Greg Little stock has gone way down. He used to be a top 10 top 15 top 20 pick, but then as the combine got closer as the as the off season wore on. Always kind of a sec around the I don't even know if he's worth a second but these guys are because you don't see them being mocked somewhere. Then you think to yourself? Well, that guy's a reach because I saw a mocked at 22 and they took him at 16 or that guy's a steal because he's projected to go in the third round on nfl.com and I've they took him in the fifth. I've never even seen his name before but we that was a steal because he should have gone in the third according to what zuerlein wrote. Yeah, and he has to do 400 of those. Yeah, and he hates and but I hate zuerlein because Heap and our draft class ridiculous. It's an asari ridiculous. Probably out there. You know what ridiculous this right work. So, I'm sorry get off my lawn. That's right. Get off of my lawn Josh one. Where can the folks find you on the interwebs and whatnot. I'm all over the interwebs. I got a couple tapes. I got to take down but no no no. Draft Josh pre-draft. Yes on Twitter at Josh Fox 46 on Instagram Jay Sims 2 8 7 Facebook Josh Fox 46. Wow, and you have a Facebook fan page? That's pretty silly. That's fun. I'm very into myself. Nice does is a followers and then you catch me on are pretty much Wednesday through Sunday. So tune in check me out watch my boy will come Uncle as well and And yeah, we talk sports. He'll be on the show this season probably so yeah, I forgot what I was gonna say. Damn it. I got distracted by talking about will conkle he does other people it happens and the Romper. Yeah remember that. Yes. He did wear a romper. It's a 20-degree weather that happened. Yep. Did you really in 20-degree weather? It was cold that day. I remember what I wanted to say. How do you go be kind of robbers? I'm just going to the 2019 draft and you haven't deleted your old tweets like come on. On guys like wow, that should be your number one thing that you have when I declare for the NFL, I'm deleting everything in my tweet history. Boom done start from scratch on the internet. Yeah how our parents not giving this advice forget agents. Like, how are you Mom? Hey, hey Junior. I know you were dumb for a little while when you were younger. So come over here. Probably still yeah conversation like it. Took what 10 seconds for someone to be like look at this terrible tweet that years ago. Yeah, but that now now it's a game now those people are playing a game. Yeah, but it's like the but well the Chiefs they don't have the yeah, it's you know, they don't care about they don't have a good culture over there. And by the way, they're all great picks for the Browns right there. Of course take everything that yeah. That's right the wrong nothing wrong. Now you definitely did it happen. The switch has been flipped. They did. He definitely didn't draft a kicker in the fifth round. So Lord the Bucks did though. Did you guys see that the Bucks drafted a kicker? Damn you Tampa Bay column. Where can they find you? My deck because it has been lovely. It really has it has been lovely beautiful at Colin CLT on Twitter big dog. You can find me at big dog with two WS on do you aw big? Yo dog, you find me at Josh Klein rules on Twitter and I think that's pretty much it, right? Yeah, I think so don't believe in the other social media. So here's the thing is I actually somebody He told me that I should make my Instagram private and I was like why is that and then they were like well because like you put pictures your wife and your dog and your house on there and I was like, what is this taken? Yeah, go ahead. Like I don't know. I don't know but then I followed that I was like, yeah, I guess I'll do that sure and then so don't follow me on are you know, what fought request to follow me and I will break it. They hear Kyle Bailey today, by the way, so let's talk about his wife's feet. Anyone here that no. Yeah, it's someone in the grocery store followed his wife down an aisle and told her she had nice feet. I take it all back do not Man on Instagram the whole rant on the rated that's what happened on my way over. That's what else listen to to prep for this. Wow. Billy talking about someone's stalking his wife in a Publix. Yeah, don't because I'm going to show you a Time Hop when we're done that am L. Forgot. Yeah message. I got from somebody random on Facebook. That's all me. Yes that said I should show my feet more and I was like, yeah that's actually not rare because like 90% of our female anchors at the station get people reaching out to them about their feet. Big Rex Ryan. I mean, he loves feet. You look so horrified. I'm not do so weird. Like what do you what do you want from me? No, I mean we are we're weird. It's true Are there women that have more attractive feet than like cuz I'm just thinking like I've seen some feet and I think all feet are ugly unless you know that episode the office where she goes Angela goes to the nail salon and they love her feet because they're so tiny. They're like baby feet. Yeah, maybe small feeder. Yeah, but now you're saying that you like, baby. Baby fee that's weird. Babies are cute Yeah Anna baby, but not on a real person. Well, it wasn't they got to have enough feet to walk around a balance. Angeles feet are not actually baby size feet. They're just small. I think they call are like baby feet. I don't know not a very original thickness baby. Yeah, they call me Big Dog the call her baby feet, you know, that's how he D of B F with the 28th pick. That's when it's going to draft Carolina Panthers like baby food. What terrible? Value what her in this value to trade it back to 33 gotten baby feet. That's where you pick the big dog. Is that 28 things got why didn't you trade back every every Pig? Why didn't they trade back? This has been one day contract part of the right Network powered by Ortho Carolina. Josh is not ready for this at all were, you know, I don't have any songs. Oh.
Josh Sims of Fox 46 joins the show to recap the 2019 Draft Class, make some bets on whether Jordan Scarlett or Terry Godwin will be more successful and recap the entire draft and what the Panthers still have left to do before the season starts. If you want to skip straight to the football talk and miss the hilarious song parody, spoiler talk and what happened in Season 1 of Game of Thrones - as well as definitively realizing who and who is not the big dog - you'll want to go right to the 12:05 mark. Once they start talking football, they'll discuss whether Brian Burns can make an immediate impact, why going up and getting Greg Little was the right decision and when exactly the Panthers should have taken a quarterback - both in terms of draft pick and year. Oh, and they break a BIG SECRET that the Panthers have been trying to keep under their hat for the entire offseason. They'll then talk which holes the Panthers need to fill in free agency --- **coughcoughsafetycoughcough** -- and what the plans are heading into 2019. Plus, they go Cam to Kawaan on the Panthers draft class! One Day Contract is a proud part of The Riot Network, powered by OrthoCarolina. Rate, review and subscribe to help spread the word about your favorite Panthers podcast! 