Oh look. I've got my antidepressants. I'm just going to take them there allow tablet you if you're not careful. I'll get out my setup. Okay, so guys popcorn junkies what we all seeing guys Joker and is it the Joker? No, no joker starring Joaquin Phoenix. Yes. Lazy beats Robert De Niro and who plays a month Frances Conroy plays his mum. Okay from American Horror Story. Absolutely. Let's just before we give anything. About what we thought of it or how we're currently feeling because I think Kiki right now is a prime example of how this film needs you feeling. We'd literally just walked out of the cinema and we wanted to get this immediate response. What were our feelings going in our we joke a fans in general. Yeah. Laughs yeah you want obsessed with his Ledger like crazy about this film much as you could you didn't like that on Jesus. We were running around getting excited. We were when you were lying basically like a saccade Big Joker mine ever was as crazy as you man. No. No, but you were worried that we were going to not be enjoying it when you were worried for us that how about you guys like the drug has been my favorite fictional character since I was a kid read so Not only was that I thought would be amazing. Yeah, but also I obsessed with the Phoenix family and on top of that to film that looks deeper into his character and his mental health is just a superhero film and what about you matters? I mean you're at the Heath Ledger Aficionado of all aficionados Yeah, I mean, I'm a firm believer that Heath Ledger as being the best performed in the best portrayal of the Joker and that it's very hard for anyone to kind of beat that or get anywhere close. I mean the same as Abby. I've always been a massive fan of the Joker and Harley Quinn because I feel like they're the most although I every superhero supervillain kind of have an origin story. I feel like that's the deepest and although the Joker's kind of seen as a bit of a chaotic character may be unrealistic. I feel like he's probably one of the most Australia stick is like a very extreme portrayal of how I think most poke actually feel. I mean I used to be really scared of clowns. I've always been scared of clowns but never The Joker because I have more time than just being this. Yeah creepy person. That's got this fake emotion on their face. And what about for you Mom is the Joker because I mean a lot of people are sort of saying these days that joker character the fiction of the Joker's like America's Hamlet. He's such a part of their popular culture and mainstream culture, but also he's a partner Actors can bring so much to bear on a you you do you see the Joker's a rich tapestry of pot I do but not but I would say not as not as much as Hamlet's no not literally in terms of in terms of tall until Heath Ledger alleged changed everything. Yeah, absolutely in the sense that he bought so much more to it. Yes, so that the Joker didn't necessarily hold any more alert you other than it's just another part that people have played. Jochen would give us more of the same and more the same of the he gave gave us. Okay. Okay. Well, this is directed by Todd Phillips the oddest thing about this film I think and I still can't even rationalize this is that really Todd Phillips our directors major kind of accomplishments The Hangover filmed and it was mighty that you said when you think actually really well shot. Hang on. Yeah, if you look back at them, they are talking please not that bad it absolutely is because it's comedy everybody kind of a seems exactly what and that's what Phillips I said in interview because I think a few people have said the same thing and he said I'm just drawn to strong storytelling. Yeah, you know you think about it as a filmmaker it is nothing worse than being pigeon-holed God. I mean, where do you start with a film like this is probably the most hotly anticipated film ice. I think of the year, I mean and last I mean it's been a slow build we've been charting it since those first Clips came off the internet where he was jumping off the tube in New York, and we just have no sense of even before that when there was just talk of him. Yes. So let's talk about that. So the casting of a Enochs you've explained you're a fan of the family. So and might be your fan of whacking. Oh, absolutely. I mean you were never really here was my top film and we all perhaps maybe we love that Fender, right? No, actually I even if it's not being a great film. Yes go for Matt's always delivers. Yeah, and that's why I was so excited about this film that I as we're getting closer and closer to it because we've had two disappointments this year once upon a time. Would have made summer as we get closer and closer to it. I was like, I really hope that it delivers as - I'm so excited about it. This is a film that doesn't situate itself within the DC Universe is actively saying which is a bit confusing other thought to Someone Like You Mom is not intimate with a DC EU which is the DC extended universe is that obviously it's the Joker only comes from the comics. Obviously. He is in relative relationship to Batman and yet what they're saying is this isn't a film within the cannon so you've got there's can't believe they're not There are countless DC fans who are saying they're not even going to go and see this because it sits outside the decent. I don't know if you're a full of you can just say I'm not seeing the film because it doesn't sort of tally with the yeah. These are people who are up scan you explain that to us guys. It's that true. I think it is true. I think a lot of people are going to to the point that Warner Brothers were worried that this could impact on its box office taking the first weekend that so many people saying hang on this this this doesn't tally or chime. So why not saying all of that is that this backstory is Necessarily the story there isn't necessarily the story that we can say. Oh is that true? And it's not happened like action superhero, you know sort of no, it's not pure origin story or juice or I mean, I think Abby was saying as we came out it's this film takes the idea of an origin story about as far to the word Ori eg. It gives you the origin of the word origin in its origin snorts. It's so granular. It's so takes you Takin me saying that he got offered loads of girls in Marvel and he turned them all down. The reason he said yes to taking on this character, right because it's not an association and it's actually a film about mental health. Yes. Yeah and how like brain works rather than a film about superheroes fighting each other. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, it's the most meaningful film and story in that. I know it's not in the DC Universe. It's most part of that obviously Joker is a part of the DC Universe. So it's the most meaningful film. That's That's ever been made. Yes in this kind of business for almost a minute. I thought as well and this isn't a word of an exaggeration until more that more than just halfway through it. I forgot it was about I mean, I forget what I was watching. I thought I was watching a film about medic bread. Well one one of Todd Phillips, the directors many references is obviously there are there are three films that he's definitely referencing and there's Taxi Driver. There's king of comedy which incidentally also Stars Robert De Niro in Taxi drivers are say Martin Scorsese was originally I think I don't think he's still is but he was originally associated with this as a producer but Todd Phillips has talked about those films and obviously One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as in their sort of mental health treatment and what kind of stuff so what I liked about it within the first five ten minutes and I don't necessarily know if your generation was getting that work. It was really riffing on 70 Cinema. Yeah. I mean it was like watching I mean that just that chase in the street when he got hit with the placard. Yeah, and I you know for me the first, you know the weirdest first sign that we Great hands was was that when they follow those boys running down the street they went for a genuinely fast tracking shot in a car chasing them. Yeah, that's suddenly made me feel relaxed. I thought this isn't going to be CGI. This isn't going to be sort of two theatrical. This is going to be cinematic. It was through yeah moving through real space. Yeah real time. Yeah. How would you describe the ink? It's really hard to talk about this phone without just giving away how it's what I have feelings are right? Yeah, but how would you describe it work? Being on you how will you tense? She kept looking at me although thinking I mean before I even started, you know, and it's showing the age certificate and everything. I already like couldn't breathe. My blood pressure was so I might the heart was beating so fast. Yeah and it goes good guys not literal literally as soon as the first shot showed the first two seconds. I knew that I trusted the film is that thing of knowing you're in capable hands. It's yeah you just felt Safety the move. I mean because there's some films that are great. Yeah, you have moments of I don't really trust if it knows where it's going don't you trust it knows what it's doing but they're all times in this film. I trusted the film you see I trusted it from the beginning but I was so scared that my explode expectations were so high right but then like Maddie said as soon as the first two seconds it was just him then I was just like it's going to be great and it kind of like I just felt calm. I just wanted to take in the film. I'm so focused every shot from the beginning was did I think of a short? Yeah. So yeah, it was a shock because you know even great films are shot. Really? Well, there's always that lazy shot thrown in there that year to figure side cut away by the word cutaway. Is there a single shot meant something and they had a great, you know, when they grade these films I think it might be I think it was that there were 70. Ml Sprint's of everybody had that granular. Yeah when you looked at it you love grain ourselves. I love So this is my little light this for me what made me so in a sense find the such a rewarding experience was the fact that really for me. This was a fun wasn't expecting it to be such a film about mental health. Yeah feeling even with Heath Ledger Heath Ledger was great. But all we really get from the Joker's that is this in Psychotherapy laughs a lot and has not not doesn't have any feeling but no sympathy for anything or anyone but yes such a brutal character really and what this managed to do, even when he did really Brutal a messed-up things it showed the emotion and all so much emotion and not feeling any emotion that makes sense because when you did something outrageous really make sense. He looked like he didn't quite know what he done and there wasn't any feeling but you knew that there was so much feeling. Yes. Yes and the built up emotions that you've been carrying. I mean this film didn't hesitate at all at any point, you know it through your right into the middle of his mental illness. We were thrown into the heart of his head by the interview with Psychologists marking the beginning when I first chat and then he's even the very beginning when he's like going like this. Yes. Yeah that is crying because I mean it's just like every single moment. He was on screen. Yeah felt him. Yeah. I just going to make mention about his love is so powerful because to everybody around him. They don't understand like why you laugh and what's funny but to him it's because he's scared. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah something. Oh he's upset is because of this overwhelming. Russian triggered something in his brain and nobody understands it and it kind of goes to the thing of the joke of being misunderstood. Yes, and nobody listening or noticing her kids have never said that but the joke for you just know laughs because it's insane. Absolutely. He actually has a condition where he can't help but laugh because of the way it's really sad, isn't it is mother always thinks he's a really happy child because time and he says, you know, I haven't felt happy for a sick single lonely, but the way they played that as well in so they tell us about his condition. On the bus when he's making faces at the child and he can't stop laughing at that stage. I didn't know whether that was and I didn't for a long time after that whether that was part of his act as Robert says at one point is that part of your ass always come on breathe. Did you think it was part of his act? I knew his love. Did you think the last was a condition? Yes, because if you know I did too I did 95% of the time but this is where I think the film is so subtle you can see I'm like struggling where you can see him struggling with it, but there were moments where you would expect. Expect him given the condition to have laughed. Yeah, and he didn't yeah, just two occasions right towards the end and there I thought he did a very good job of just giving you a little enough tail. I don't like anything beyond so he gave you just a little bit of doubt. You're right as to whether could this be a choice. Yeah that could this be a choice that I thought that opening scene again, the other sign that I knew we were in good in a good place was that opening scene with the social worker. It was not rushed. No at all. No, and you know within To culture now making these films where everything has to account you have to account like I don't know for everything. Yeah, everything has to have a purpose but you know, very important story purpose. Yeah, and I thought this film because it was so about his personality and so about his fractured mental health. It just spent we had a luxury of time watching the process of acting. Yeah, but not acting because it was where he gets really angry and he's like he says some Along the lines of I'm trying to create something here. Yeah. Well you got mad at the fact he did something really extraordinary. I mean, it's true. He has entered like a level of the Joker that I didn't think anyone would ya and although the the trainer showed some of that that you know, the Deep mental health. I didn't quite realize how much until you're watching the film. Do you realize how much about mental health? I think because this film is one in to be about mental health and it's not about comic they did they wait to make it realistic. Yes, and so Doing that they've made into a realistic city rather than yes, like for example the Asylum. It was like a hospital look like what you'd see in Rhode Island has yet to make it you connect with it more you understand it more rather than this big castle with these big Iron Gate. Yes. Did you like the way it was shocked? I mean we haven't really talked about it. But how would you do you guys alive? Favorite shops? Did we have any favorite shops at the first shot? Which would oh God Janet just sat on him and I just spotted the tear of yeah, that's What I that's what I love with the film it really held shots. Yes. It didn't like every kind of lose faith in itself. I think it was very it was it trusted that it was a good shot of that. They would stay with it. Yes, because like we said, I feel like everybody now is very impatient when it comes to films. Yeah old movies and they're very slow and they take their time everyone just calls it dated but really it's just that they really want different with a show yet and they stick the shot and they trust that it's good and now like you said when you watch Modern feels it's all like this or yeah. It's not because it's too slow and I think this film is too slow any point. No and but it wasn't too fast. It just it was such a good Pace because it gets you know, sometimes it was quick. Sometimes it was slow and it really worked I thought but given I love so much shot was like, yeah, she was looking through a window or looking up a load of steps or looking at the rubbing. Yeah. I love him dancing on the stairs the lighting and it was remark. Yeah, the lighting was and and the sound but many people come to this. The difference between some a film that's made for film lovers and made with a reason and made for our yeah. Yeah, once like get Awards and then a film that's just made for people to enjoy. Yes might make money. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean given that you were the least exciting not least excited you excited. You knew it was going to be good as you like the trailer, but you weren't as kind of like, oh as me a medic. How was it working for you to do with did it hook you up? I really trusted him didn't ya? What did you think of him? What do you think? I mean II cried twice. Did you ignoring some respect into crying? Yeah, I can't are not static and I cried at the point where there's a scene where after a scene of extreme violence. He dances in a toilet sort of area like ride to and from this I only it was real it was real and I just did that with convenience felt that it was right for the so clever because what they could have done could have been that every other film where you kind of just has a mental breakdown screaming take that laughs. Yeah, thanks cries contemplates, you know killing himself or something, but he danced and it was so clever and the music as well. So was Jesus breaks these strings and it's something about it. It made me more upset and it made me feel more than it would if he was just breaking down. Oh, I thought I mean I go further than that. I mean I thought for me it was like an abstract expression. Explanation of probably every single crime in the real world that's been committed by someone due to mental health issues for which they've had no help no support no understanding underfunded and I thought you know, what was he looked each other off that seem just went oh my god well and and you know, no, you know, no most families were a family that's affected by mental the most families have experienced mental health in the most extreme lawful ways. And I thought this film wasn't afraid to go to the darkest places of potentially seeing something beautiful. It's something awful. Yeah. I thought that is a really fucking sophisticated thing to do and it's something about tricky for younger audiences, which I think that's probably why they've gone for the 15 certificate. I think they would worry about people expecting that no because obviously it's character from the very start you kind of see him as not not weak, but very very emotional. I don't like keeping it to himself. Of things. Yeah, and I just kind of did I mean his heart is his character just broke my heart the entire time. So it was I just wasn't expecting this massive very sudden amount of violence. Right? Right. I thought it really worked but there was nothing is real in terms of his acting but he also had kept you out in the sense that he's eyes didn't give it away. But really why wet too much so that when the violence came I won't go into it was such a shock. I know I'm home for screaming a Shepherd. It was that's how you shot one because he hadn't given they hadn't given us a notion of the Mask. Yeah. Yeah, you're right in the eyes. Yeah. I think that hold that film holds one of the greatest murder scenes because it was so honest which one on the this is has. Oh the scissors or later on. Yeah scissors. Is what's happening? You're going to see this right? This is what we're expecting that to happen Okay. Well you knew that you have scissors, but I didn't know I was going to cut his hair really do but door interrupting put in his pocket for later. It's like classic thing, isn't it? We always say that the best villains in cinema or in anything those villains where you as a viewer identify with some part of them. They have a human vulnerability the some Justification because then it confuses things for you the waters muddied your kind of sympathetic but you're driven to care for the so you find yourself caring for a psychopath? Yeah that to me really makes you connect with the character because dance is something that a lot of people used to express themselves. Yeah, sad and vulnerable or you're feeling too much. It's a release. Yeah, and so it's like everything got too much for him. He just he danced and suddenly you'd you'd hear him laugh. And yeah for real. Whereas when he would laugh as condition, it sounded almost like he was crying and yeah, he was trying to laugh. He wanted to stop you did that. So what I thought I was born at that laughter The Laughing great off because I he did it so good, you know, he's studied. So this is that that bit when he's on the train with those three men. Oh my God see his crop is laughing but really wants to cry. Yeah, so I noticed I literally could not I wanted to like step into the screen enter the scene punch him entertained by protecting all times and although he did quite Terrific things in the film you cannot help but love him. Well, you might answer some point coming out that you you I mean every will say this guardedly, but you mentioned how you can see why there are concerns about knowledge that. I don't think the film does glamorize and then like the film is a very just it's a very what's the word real honest very real portrait of the horrors of mental health and where it can go to but you know, there's all these concerns about copycat killings and will inspire copycat actions and all that kind of stuff but they do provide a total not justification, but no information on my understanding is there's that scene where he goes sport is a sport or a few days, but he goes on to the comedy show towards the end of the film where we rock the one that Robert De Niro presents and you know, he goes a bit crazy in the explains why he is what he is and throughout the film. Everyone treated me horribly because he makes people feel uncomfortable because he is a bit crazy and years, you know, not quite not Mobile and everyone, you know, he gets beaten up so many times it gets punched in the air something like my dick again ebook and I'm not saying that it justifies what he did but I always find a clever when films and TV shows give characters that have done awful things. We know evil villainous characters and he give them a reasoning and you understand where they're like it because that is life, you know people that Billy people in school have had a hard time at home, but there's something built up in them and that's what they managed to do with his character, which I've always wanted. From all Joker rolls, right? But then he managed to deliver that he did but I mean that sort of whole subject while not subjects. They made text of being bullied whatever and then turning into a murderer or a body yourself can be incredibly cliche. Oh, I agree. So here's my worried. He started doing whatever he did and just to come back to this point about the physicality. I mean, I've never seen a non-dancing piece. No it was so physically amazing. Yes mean. He's such a music thing. Dancing with the whole lot Thomas was correct. Correct. Yeah, but it wasn't like he was moving his body down DOT. He's literally moving his soul. Yeah, like I yeah, I don't believe that he was when he was dancing on set. I don't believe that he was even listening to music. I know it was his own music and that it was like he was a man. He was constantly ignored his whole life like everything like his purpose everyone people at work. Just ignored At him and he'd get beaten up and he'd laugh and people just ignore the fact. Yeah that was happening. Yeah, listen, at least they stole my side and well, there's that and then it happened on the train and that's when he kills them, but he doesn't say it because he knows no one believed because constantly belittled and I knew nothing he feels Justified. It makes sense that he became a murderer or not because he went insane but because it was the only thing that made him get He noticed himself being noticed and he crave that yeah, what was that line? He said when he actually goes in with the pillow. He says my I always thought my life was a comedy. No, I always laugh because you know, how do I what was it? He said I hope I hope my death makes more sense than my life. That was so much that makes so much sense and it was it was heartbreaking. I mean that was the to me the most shocking murder as well not because you know, yeah. Actually you doing it to me my boy. Families until the last kind of 20 minutes where he is a frantically The Joker he doesn't really say no is his character. You can just feel yeah. What what's what's going on? And what was so interesting about you too. I mean you told us before but having them seen the films that he's only the Joker in the last 20 minutes of the film. Absolutely. I mean the rest of it is just like that put you off. No. No, actually we realize that don't that in a sense is the Joker you want everything that comes what did you think of his? Romance with ZZ beats his neighbor. Did you think it was so clever? Wasn't it? Did it happen? No didn't happen, but it was but it's kinda glad The camera it we were parked in the center of his head. Yeah, and you were there so you will rarely you were rarely even in a position to be able to love it. Yeah, cause you were forever following it from his POV. What was so clever was that although I sort of from a personal point of view. I knew his his romance with the girl wasn't happening. But at the same time when he actually went she found him in his her room. I was I mean, I think why am I so short because I know. Yes it was because he did so even when we found out I was just like when he goes like that when he turns around to her so oh my God, he's gonna kill those times. I didn't know if he's going to kill himself with I kept thinking is this so out of the DC extended universe that he is going to Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking every time he came close to it. I was like my God. Oh my God is healing but this is choked up but will that man's role is with the government? Yes, and the chokers kind of for the people. Yeah every tree. He's kind of made to be this horrible character, but really he's doing what he thinks is right. Yes. Yeah. That's a really good point. Yeah, the majority thinks about yeah, not that you should kill people. Yeah, and that was a really nice twist. Because I think there was that there was a bigger political context of a political message, which was he gained the audience. He wanted yeah, don't kill innocent people not feeling I'm gonna guess the three guys on the train was so revolved. I was with him. He gave him a gun for the yeah Bradley Cooper and Todd. Yeah, definitely. That's so funny face at me laugh and I felt bad. So spank ya because Jacob basically kills the big guy the gun earlier in the film but the dwarf guys there and then he lets him go free become equal then that moment where he imitates his Cockney accent. Yeah. I just little touches that mean I could this is a film that Demands a re-watch though. I don't know if I've got the energy I loved it when he had his hands on either side of the wall when the big guys talk to me looks up like this and I was just like Guess what? Yeah. Yeah, it was that moment where every anyone who takes antidepressants or any pills. I'm off. My meds is going to be the most infamous line that the Joker says. Oh, yeah. I'm not taking my pills anymore shit. Okay, but at the same time within that there's going to be a release for him and his release was it I like the way in which the film was also toying with all that stuff about. You know how mental health issues are underfunded that they're you cut adrift that there's no care in the community and it did all of that without it hammering home a message you just felt Yeah, one big thing. I wanted was given about what do we think about his relationship with his mom very clever very clever. As I was are always really unsure of her character. Yeah, because obviously we find out that well, she's delusional isn't she she's absolutely yeah. She didn't she never seemed insane before you know, yeah, but because she tells him and everything that she had him with Batman's. Yeah your ass again. I was like, oh my God, the Joker's Batman's brother and yeah don't get along because we're getting a bit of a Star Wars. Yes and found that has adopted and that's any got like beaten up. Didn't he buy his mom's boyfriend's right head injury and that's why I'm loving condition and it was so and the bit of him just like when he was laughing and looking at the file just can handle it when Maddie said to me at that point or around that point in though. He's his brother or Batman's brother. Yeah, I'll have was pulled into the world thinking. Oh my God, it's that film. Yeah. It's not about the weight and was that a bad thing? No, it was done. So well, yes, totally because I thought about the moment when he met Batman, yes, you know the game is that to you. It was quite by getting close to keep Barry. Vine is gonna break his neck. Yeah, incredibly intricate mean I would have thought you know, they aunt Ida thought the sensors would have had to look like that quite a lot because you know, a man shoving his hands into a boy's mouth. It's very yeah on so many levels. It's just wrong. Yeah and quite invasive but not tonight as well. Yeah, but also that set set up the thing and it was really well observed. Well done. Whatever happens between the mother and son later on. He was a very caring son. I mean he did everything for her. I mean physically in a way that you weren't thinking well the family and that's what I liked about it the fact that he could care for. Yeah, he's funny. Yeah, don't touch him. Laughter what was incredibly clever, you know him such a that The Wretched father Falcons are just dying was doing the filming for the Joker. Right? And the diary was just like that was it but it was he pledges driving it said stuff like don't smile don't because the way they moment that they had the you know, you'd get snippet you'd catch shots of like pornography that he put in there because of what you know, so it was a very in itself. It was like an expression of his character and a black figure that scribble. Yeah showing off. There's one particular Saint one particular shot that I thought was so beautifully shot and performed by whacking and it was he was in the comedy club that first night in the camera slowly keeps pushing towards him and he's making notes and he's laughing at what you think is the wrong business. Yeah, and he's looking around and I thought he was amazing even begin to tell you how complicated that yes it performance. Yeah. It was way he looked around at people as well because it was almost like they're laughing at the wrong bit. Yes. Take it in as you notice it. So clever clever last I heard you that point O this performance kind of noticed that yes. I'm trying to make a joke when he goes on to the show. Yeah. She thinks everyone has to find funny. But because he doesn't understand it. Nobody else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah when this clip was put on the comedy don't don't. Laughing now because he can say that again and I was like, oh my God, I have to say the vine go in. Yeah, let's get Thanksgiving. It's a he always takes it to place. I don't think you'll take it to ya and he doesn't like going he was dragging yourself up the stairs and shoot some mothers are tons and I was like why you make sure yeah, I mean, he re-injured the use of a gun with significance and we're confident that when you think that the violence is coming sometimes I go to these films thinking all the really inventive way or reforms going to deal with death of can't wait and I thought well if he's got just a gun and there's only so many ways you could but you know, it was so visceral given there was one girl and I'm gonna poke little one I love that shot. Yeah, it's like he's his shoulder blades like in words. Yes, and it's so effective. It just added to his Insanity in the ways that people his dancing. Oh my God. Victor to his abdomen. It was really bizarre and the bit when he was dying his hair green, and yes, it seemed like this. Oh Mase. It's just the people that feel meant something and every shop in that film was just beautiful. Aid Renta can drill it was Laden with meaning and daughter and I love the way he's always shaking his nose. Yeah. He had his he had loads of because like you like I've said that Heath Ledger. What I loved was the yeah the math look because the scars he had his little twinges. Well, what about Santa? Music I mean the soundtrack in this film. Like I said that bit was dancing in the bathroom. Yeah train see and there's a string music. Yes. So so that all Kestrel school was brilliant the contortion if you like a classic songs with brilliant send in the clown Frank Sinatra absolutely connecting more with the character. That was a song that me and my godmother would dance to my wild it made me feel better. So yeah, yeah. Yes. Well, let's do a little summaries and do our scores and we're going to start with many diagnosed. He was faultless faultless well to say that I didn't even realize that I was in a DC world. Yeah, I threw it shows the power of what they were what they were showing us the momentum of the whole mental health thing is just profound and and Incredibly moving. I mean you believed you just believed everything that did it distress you in anyway. Yeah. Yeah a lot. I'm so just enormously there was no bit of his performance. That wasn't true. I would give it a she's going to lead the way come on something point 29.7 so weird. So why wouldn't you give that point three although it was faultless. It was so excited about this. They're know there was a moment at the end you wanted it to end it I wanted it to end at it at a different place called it would have been braver. And what on the shop on. Bank of monitors, I didn't take it to the mat. So you're giving it 9.8 9.7. Okay. Well, let me flip over to you. What were your feelings about? It actually don't have work like I thought then itself I know what you mean. That itself is your review you feel like you feel like kind of hard to say. Yeah flat parts of your body of closed down. Yeah that my brain isn't working. I feel like the Joker. Yeah, it may say so I don't know how he feels. Okay, so it really spoke to because it let's face it. You got an underage. Yes, you are younger than the filmmakers think should be watching it. But it really spoke. Did you identify with all that the mental health? So yes, he was me anymore. You just incredible because you're a biggie on the you mean work is very good as you'll spy your sense of rat if what a small performance like ZZ beats or the kid or a bit part or of Like do you feel like all the characters were strong and everything about was part of it? And I'm literally shaking I'm so yeah, she has been shaking the entire time up Saturday. So what would you give it? So what would you be looking at our hands shaking? What would you give it? I agree with none of the ending. I want a nice thing the monitors all those monitors. I don't mean yeah, I like that. I love this shorts is so beautiful. He was amazing. I love him now. Yeah, and you like they were never really here. Yes. We let her watch that too. I've heard it here. First number 10. Let's go to Natalie. Ski, I literally can't breathe Mike. I need an aspirin pump. Okay. Well, I'll just get one just here we can always get you take one. Okay? Yeah, we all need a passport pump. That's kind of what's going on here. There's a brown one somewhere which prevents you needing as the okay. So like Kiki. I literally there's not single. What can express how much I love it and how much it means to me and I loved it so much that I don't think I could watch it again. Yeah, that's not I'm not watching it has I'm not what my friend. I mean, I probably caught any time this month or next month, or maybe not the rest of this year. But because it's so intense. So yeah, like he said before we started filming that's all I can think about and you know, just watching the characters maybe a little bit insane. So I can't even imagine right working Felix was like after that, okay. Yeah, I thought the cinematography was just on another sketch. I wasn't expecting that kind of person. But even though the posters of all be beautiful and the trailers been beautiful at just every single shot was like art pure art as a painting and I think it's literally the performance of a lifetime he if he does not get best actor at the Oscars. I will have to shoot something. I mean it what like he did not smash their head in again. Like I just it's just It's not that even lived up to my expectations. It lived up it the past that it was just like it's just the greatest film I've ever seen and I literally can't really fault it and although I think it could have ended on the monitors and everything was important that they showed the other two scenes because you need to see the chaos of Gotham after and how many people are inspired by him and it's interesting as well because although you know, he's creating these riots in this created an imbalance and government everything. I like smiled at the end because he was so He's probably seen I think he spoke to the underdog in everyone. Oh, yeah - yeah, and you know the whole the Misunderstood the whole thing about in the city as well because London's kind of like, you know, New York's quite like London, it's a very fast-moving City where everyone's always doing something a lot of people don't get sick or has walked over and that's why I think he really is going to speak to a lot of people. Yeah. I'm not saying speak to them in a way that they'll be inspired and act upon it but it is good when you have I think a good film is when you can watch it you can relate and you can be like, yes. Yes, I understand. Yeah, I can see why and I thought the mental health side of it was absolutely amazing. I mean, I think it was so honest and real and authentic. Like I think some films are solely about mental health haven't even taken it to that level. No, they're hungry and very true. Yeah, and I mean if he doesn't I mean I can see why he got absolutely insane off this part. I don't like man. I don't think he should be loud now. I didn't Duke the character again because I think he is talking about wanting to it. Yeah. Stop stop stop. Stop Joaquin Phoenix from well that part's oh my God. But yeah again, I thought the music was just because when you're watching it as well, I felt like I was watching it was like, my soul was pulled out and ye and it was sitting next to me and then the music also did that so when I was watching that felt like I was an empty but full. Yeah, but like, I mean, I literally can't breathe that my heart is beating. I just thinking about it makes me want to cry because like he be I mean his character broke my heart so So much and it's just like although he is a Twitter quite at the stuff. He does is quite twisted and you know should agree with everything he did and the way he acted upon it, but I just wanted to kind of protect him at all times giving so horrible to him and nobody understood him. Everybody made everyone feel uncomfortable and you follow his life like that. You know that he's such a using in is that it's delicate innocent person driven to such a such an aggressive pop cultural figure. Yeah is now seen as a delicacy. Turn t for total strangers and it's just simple things by people not looking him in the eye or telling him like the bit with on the bus when he's trying to make the child. I know don't disturb my child again like a be said with the laughing and everything in the whole time. He was laughing he knew that he really wanted to cry scream that I can't tell you how hard that is to act because yeah, I thought you know, like when I did a play once I had to cry and it's so hard to get to that level and it's like you managed to get to that level but also be on another level. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot about want to climb Mario. Yeah, and the way he portrayed that without giving us too much in his eyes as yeah, he would yes the LED to do which is kill people. It's just I mean just another level of performance. Yeah. It's a Michael said he's not acting he is being that yeah, he was the Joker. Yeah, it was a bit scary. Yes how far how absolutely loved his design of the Joker of like that's a really important thing. For me, I hate your job that I was designing Suicide Squad affected his role for me. I loved makeup and his color the color how colorful he wasn't everything and the music. Yeah, I mean it was just I had goosebumps and shots I'd seen in the trailer and got really excited about film like the bit where he's walking down the corridor and when yeah, and when he's dancing dance tears of just like but yeah in this is seriously affected me you don't say so I can't even give it a 10 I could have to get like a hundred so, you know, I mean, okay and number can't describe it. I was going up that bit where he's with the women in the one below the last scene. Yes, and he's that he's thinking of a joke. She says tell me the geoghan is that you won't get it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was funny wasn't it before he killed her giving it a hundred? Yeah hundred Abby. Well what I really love about it because I was so excited about this film because that's what I've always really had this. Nation with the joker his mind and I've always kind of thought of him as a good guy really misunderstood and I've always found him so fascinating and so hearing that this bill would be about his mind and I was hoping that it would kind of make people understand him. I feel like it does that so so well, it's just so truthful and you really connect with it everything. I kind of expected so hard, isn't it? So all-encompassing Like he wasn't acting he wasn't lying. He was telling the truth is being I can't speak. I know but in itself is kind of render that we all came out and rub it like I'm yeah, were you happy to see I've been saying it all the way through you've kind of got upset. So how would you and we'll just go ahead you score a film Oftentimes it's just it's one of is out there with like my favorite films ever. So is my favorite film I because I love a film that really dives into the mind. Yeah, and you just let the cat to be vulnerable without showing them week. It made me feel sane. Do they care? He's so crazy. You see how his mind worked you're seeing it from his point of view. Yes. Yeah. So it makes you kind of think about your yourself like that 10,000 but 108. Okay, I When I threw out what's in this film I had I was nervous. I was I was anxious I was stressed because I knew I really wanted it. I knew what I wanted it to be. But I also wanted to be able to react to it honestly so that if there were weaknesses they were going to be Witnesses. I thought I was going to find all of the any connection to the DC World strained. Yeah, and possibly it was a bit because the film itself is so much richer than even the DC Universe, you know, I mean, it's just so much for even though it's come from there. Yeah, it's something so much more I Almost the first time I cried in the film was because it was such a release of his own mental health angst that I identified with profoundly on a personal level. But then the other reason I kind of got so almost upset was it was a sense of relief the mainstream Hollywood Cinema to all intents and purposes could actually make a film this sophisticated. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's probably one of the most sophisticated films I've ever seen so In terms of mainstream Cinema and this stupid phrase are out in di it transcends all of them. Yeah. This is a it's a masterpiece. Yeah. It's an absolute Masterpiece of performance Direction photography musicality editing everything about it is there's not a wrong step and you guys you're right to say you could argue that they could have stopped to touch earlier and yet there's that also that guilty pleasure feeling of thinking I never want this to end Yes. Actually I just want to stay with this forever. Yeah. I thought work in Phoenix was just I mean words words shouldn't even bother to try and explain what he does. You have to see this film. Yeah, if you don't see this film I'd go so far as to say you can't in any way say you're a film lover or interesting film because it's it's profound and I do think it speaks to the dispossessed the Misunderstood the Unseen the ignored the much-maligned the left on the fringes of society and I think that's a very clever step for a film like this to do so dangerous step because think a lot of people will say potentially glamorizes of justifies. It doesn't come again doesn't glamorize it but some people say that but I think that's its strength. I think its strength is that it's on a knife edge and it stays on a knife edge and it is it throughout the entirety. It is building building building building like his body getting Tighter and toward that scene for me ways stretching. His shoes was like an analogy for the whole film. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely and although I don't I want him to do any more damage to himself. I think if he moves on in a way in a way, the reason I don't want him to move on to the next film is identity. You'll ever get anything as interesting as him getting to being the Joker. Yeah, I think him being the joke will never be quite as interesting. So you would still deliver it's still deliver it to the but I think it's probably the best film of the year. I think it's the best one that I mean, there's lots of films that come out. There was the last three. Yeah the last reward the favorite but there's so many different films but to be such a mainstream film coming from such a mainstream concept as Comics to deliver so much sophisticated stuff. Yeah is unheard of another thing. We'll get something like it again. Yeah, and so in that basis, I'm not even going to give it a number. I can't give it a number. Come on. Give it a number. It's beyond numbers. I mean, it's a big risk that no other filmmakers take that is just is and I don't want to be overdramatic and I don't want to be overdramatic but a human being that doesn't see this film. I lose all respect for my God. I don't like it. What does it mean if you don't like They kind of don't like The Human Condition and of don't have a reason to not like this, right nobody anybody that says they don't like this film. They just don't it might not can't say that. It might not it might hurt you. I think it's the kind of film that might hurt you. You won't find it really difficult. But that doesn't you know, I hear his laugh as well as straight from my top drawer. All I kept thinking is well on that note. Do you think Mum go on Abby? Yeah, that's how I describe. The I think I think is something that's going on out there film. Theory students will be spending you could do a PhD on this film. Yeah, there's so much going on. Yes, it's not real. It's a rich work of art.
Forever alone in a crowd, failed comedian Arthur Fleck seeks connection as he walks the streets of Gotham City. Arthur wears two masks -- the one he paints for his day job as a clown, and the guise he projects in a futile attempt to feel like he's part of the world around him. Isolated, bullied and disregarded by society, Fleck begins a slow descent into madness as he transforms into the criminal mastermind known as the Joker. Joker is a 2019 American psychological thriller film directed by Todd Phillips, who co-wrote the screenplay with Scott Silver. The film, based on DC Comics characters, stars Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker. An origin story set in 1981, the film follows Arthur Fleck, a mentally ill failed stand-up comedian who turns to a life of crime and chaos in Gotham City. Robert De Niro, Zazie Beetz, Frances Conroy, Brett Cullen, Glenn Fleshler, Bill Camp, Shea Whigham, and Marc Maron appear in supporting roles. Joker was produced by DC Films, Village Roadshow Pictures, Bron Creative, and Joint Effort, and distributed by Warner Bros. Pictures. Phillips conceived Joker in 2016 and wrote the script with Silver throughout 2017. The two were inspired by 1970s character studies and the films of Martin Scorsese, who was initially attached to the project as a producer. The graphic novel Batman: The Killing Joke (1988) was the basis for the premise, but Phillips and Silver otherwise did not look to specific comics for inspiration. Phoenix became attached in February 2018 and was cast that July, while the majority of the cast had signed on by August. Principal photography lasted from September to December 2018 and took place in New York City, Jersey City, and Newark. Joker was the first live-action Batman film to receive an R-rating from the Motion Picture Association of America, due to its violent and disturbing content. Joker premiered at the 76th Venice International Film Festival on August 31, 2019—where it won the Golden Lion, the festival's highest prize—and was released in the United States on October 4, 2019. The film polarized critics; while Phoenix's performance was praised, the dark tone, portrayal of mental illness, and handling of violence was met with a divided response. Joker also generated concerns of inspiring real-world violence, with the movie theater where the 2012 Aurora, Colorado mass shooting occurred during a screening of The Dark Knight Rises refusing to show the film. 