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You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now. Look every time lets me down. We just waiting for it. We should do like an acapella. You're the best around version. We should look work on it for the next show us or like good singers guys. Welcome back it is. Season 2 episode 2 Back in Black of here Cobra Kai on AfterBuzz TV very excited to talk to you guys about this one binging the show come in here and talk about it. This season is great. I've got a I've got a really really wonderful panel beautiful panel. I'm gonna start here right now. I got no. Damn. Yeah. Hi everyone Tammy gouveia here, Veronica Valencia everyone, finally. Mr. Michael. Clouse my brother Cobra Kai ready to go. Yeah strike First Strike fast hard hard shell Mercy. Yeah, strike First Strike First Strike hard no mercy. Yeah, I always say strike fast. I think I'm dyslexic. I just think you've been hit one too many times. Yeah. Yeah, we hit. We really hate kicks to the Head. Yeah there. Yeah, so guys there's a lot to cover today on the show. Let's start with a little bit of what's going on with Hawk some new students. The growth of Cobra. Kai is a dojo. I just want to just Is Haka dick like this? Yes, what do you guys think? Yes, I mean, I think he's great but he's definitely a d-bag. But do you think he's like just like struttin and join me in a cool kid, or do you think he's like actually bad like you think he's kind of a villain I still think it might come from a place of insecurity and that he was you know, that boy that was bullied just last season and I think he's trying really hard to keep up the confidence so that he doesn't fall back into that insecure kid that he was yeah partially that it's I think it's normal to go from one extreme, which is beams. Verily bullied to another extreme which is no one's ever going to mess with me. Yeah, you know how one feels in your like now I want to be on top now, you know, it's almost like you don't see the bullying is bad. You saw that you were weak. And so I think that is what he's going through is that now he's like well now I'm strong bullying was never bad to him. He was bad because he was weak. So now that he's strong. He sees it he can bully right? Also, his name is Hawk. He's dating a girl named Moon. There's size possibilities. Talking Moon. I feel like they should be like a folk band that storyline. Is it that's a that's a very minor storyline. Yeah, but I just have like do we ship this as a couple? Yeah, right. She was out know we talked to her at the thing on the paleyfest. Yeah, and she was her first event ever. This is her first role. She's ever been in and she's a musical theater girl. Wow. She was so sweet. She was so excited like genuine excitement. Like there's my first one of these ever I like wow. This is so cool. Congratulations. Patience a big shot to Hannah Capital shoes. She's killing it but I don't know if I like buy into it when I asked her and I thought about this was like they really play up in season one the sort of like standard roles like Mean Girls sort of style rolls on high school Clique and she's like, obviously the cheese, I guess like the Amanda Seyfried character. She's like the hot dumb girl kind of like he doesn't say that much and so it's cool that they pluck her out of that role and place her in something else. Would you just be like that's not actually real. Yeah people and have a personality. Leti I like this guy so now I'm going to be a part of this thing and I like that they're doing that. I wonder if they're going to actually develop their relationship more as the what do you guys think I would like to see if they would develop more of relationship. I think that'd be really great especially because like you're saying band They plucked her from the Mean Girl role, but they kind of plucked her from that mean girl role to kind of like another mean girl because Hawk is you know, being perceived as the bully right now, so it's not it's not like she's escaping that kind of, you know negative. Station. Yeah, for sure. I love seeing the two wild child's together. Yeah to me that's like to well child. How can Moon yes, so back on the other side of things over at Miyagi know we have wheel technique and Daniel's trying to figure out how to be a proper Sensei and he's looking at all his tools what metaphors do I have what household, you know techniques like I know that Miyagi is a genius and he had his things like that, you know train, but discipline. Do you think if you just like walked around your apartment or just like AfterBuzz TV? Be like look at something like I could turn that into a lesson I could do they hold this box here wave your hand like this that has been one of the interesting storylines that I are interesting parts of the show that I'm like, I don't know if I'm shipping is even with Johnny like are you qualified to be a teacher just because you took classes 30 years ago. Are you a good teacher right totally agree with you? It's Johnny. So yes a hundred percent. He's got wife lessons to teach man like that. Wakes up in the morning. He's eating like Slim Jim and beers. His first sip is cores live. How much is Coors Light painted the show? What I was going to ask are they making in sales? Because of the show, I think you guys are unless I'm mistaken. It's not course like he's drinking Coors Coors Vancouver's the bottle glass bottle. Yeah, and I have to say going back to the core is the opening of the show Back in Black. Back, you know with the car the Challenger getting ready. Yep, and the to the you know, Miguel and Johnny both getting ready. And then Johnny his breakfast is the beer and Miguel's is the orange juice and then the meeting in the courtyard. It's all my gosh. It was so great. Yeah. No, I definitely love that. I mean that's the thing is like it and I think every show is sort of like this you're supposed to have the a the a characters that everybody kind of loves and maybe some people really love Ralph Macchio story and they really want to see him win, but I think most people are pretty into Johnny Miguel. It feels like that's the Right, that's the driving force behind the show. I love the you bring it up because it's for me as a viewer. I'm obviously loving Johnny story, but I feel like in the first or the first credit can movie was all about Johnny and his perspective and how he viewed no, excuse me Daniels perspective and how I view Johnny as a bully and I feel like as an audience of your I'm watching this and again perspective, but I'm like wow Daniel's kind of the jerk in this entire season. Yes, because like you were saying Tammy he just will not throw Jonny a bone hundred percent. So now another one of the things that happens is Miguel finds out that Robbie is Johnny sun and when it actually happened in the episode, I was like wait, he didn't know that like that. I was kind of taken aback. I couldn't I didn't remember that that was like a thing. He wasn't aware of. I think one of the things to remember with that is that it there in Los Angeles so they could have easily went to different schools. And yeah thousands of people I mean, I went to a very small school so that that taught me that thought initially was like wait really here in the same town and I'm like, oh that town is Los Angeles. Yeah, I was just mean like them competing in the tournament and everything just announced they've interacted like yeah that they didn't know that I was like I guess it makes sense, but it makes sense. But I think it's just like it's confusing to us as an audience because we have watched all season 1 of Robbie and Johnny is really like strained relationships. It's like, okay. It's very obvious that they're Father and Son, but Johnny doesn't really talk about that. So, of course, he probably wouldn't know and I guess it's like if you date a girl and you guys break up and you start dating another girl and you go like Our way you're all going to be maybe you work really hard to not acknowledge the other person that you used to date because like you don't really want to engage in that conversation if you work hard enough that it and they don't want to acknowledge either then nobody really pays attention. I guess that's kind of what's happened here is like they're all in the same place, but he didn't want to let me down though and Robbie obviously didn't want to acknowledge it so they just stayed separate and I guess it wasn't that surprising but I didn't realize until that moment that was actually the case speaking of Robbie. There's some stuff going on his home life. We get a portal back into his mom is like who like her role in this This story and what's going on feels way more like it belongs in an R-rated movie. Then this show yeah, it's really disturbing on so many levels. Yeah, like I feel like that's like that's like a storyline at Sea like in the wire or something like that and somebody would like be dying and od'ing there be like some really really bad stuff going on. But obviously, you know, it's shows that RPG. It's okay for them to use that type of stuff as long as they do it Tastefully and I think this is done well, but it does show a little bit of like why he's gravitated towards having this like guide Force it also makes me think though. I think they've taken his character past this but at a certain point are we going to see him kind of like, you know, like maybe like he lashes out and like Rob's the house that he's staying in and like, you know, I mean like I can see them going down that it feels a little simple but I could see it happening like Rob likes to like a bunch of stuff and leave and just like, you know, like yeah because he has all this misplaced anger and he's like a confused kid is right. Like, I don't know. I think it's possible. I think it's definitely Possible for him to have setbacks, you know, it's like he's done a very good job of Robbie's characters done a very good job of kind of developing. Like I said from bad boy to like golden hero, but there's definitely a chance for setback especially because we kind of saw that with Miguel last season. Yeah, and I think it's a trigger thing. Yeah, you could trigger him just like, you know, what we what we saw last season with, you know the car wash or not the car at the car dealership with that somewhat happening the storm off. We you know, yeah, there's there's triggers that you could he still hit so I definitely am with you on that. And I would not be surprised to see something like that. See I almost want to say I can't see that happening. Just because in the first season Robbie to me passed the test when his two friends, well what a guy called, you know wanted him to open up the dealership or what-have-you, right and he refused and I think ever since then he really looks up to Daniel. I think so Tim. He's definitely a father figure. Yeah, so I don't know if he would jeopardize it. Yeah. I don't know if I see it as Likely, I just was thinking like he is this confused kid and he has this really dark thing going on. So I actually two episodes in I'm not totally sure where the story is going to go because I don't think I don't think that they will spend eight more episodes and season to just kind of like rehashing of like an accelerated version of season one. I think there has to be a big twist. Something's Gonna Have to happen to really make season to pop like, I don't know what it's gonna be necessarily but you know, it's boiling right now. So on the one side of things we have Johnny increase and Johnny is trying to almost like show off but he feels like scrutinize I think by Kris increases their like he's got to be tougher on the student. So you get the cement mixer thing running around in a cement mixer. I would not do that. Just straight like a straight out. I don't give a bleep. I don't give a rat's ass out if I was like, oh, yes Sensei thing for, you know, you would just wouldn't blindly getting inside a cement mixer and like trying to are you kidding. I love how they hit it with the cement truck driver coming. He's like, these are kids. You know this man. Yeah, and it's definitely and you're seeing more and more and more and it obviously with the way the episode ends with the two of them getting beers and running into debt. And in Daniel like Johnny is trying so hard to not let the mistakes of the past dictate the future but he's failing right now. He's right in the crease. Yeah. It's a bad influence man. It's a bad influence. Do you think he went harder on the kids training at that one point just to kind of like show Kris like hey I can do this. You can go away kind of thing. Nikki kinda. I think he hopes Chris is gonna go away ready to go. You're here a day early, you know, oh geez did today. Okay, you know, I think he doesn't know how to get rid of them. And and like, I mean that's going to have to come to a head at some point. I don't expect them to be teamed up the whole season. I think it's highly likely I think there's a split I think Kevin somebody predicted it last season on the panel not even Rick is not with us this season that Kris is gonna start another dojo and the and the most evil kids will go be a part of that Dozer now. Luckily, I have actually not watched past episode 2 yet. So I'm going to be binging a lot tonight and to because I really didn't want like it's really hard on the Bin shows to watch all my head of time and then try to forget what you know, do you end up saying something from a later episode so I actually don't know what's gonna happen, but I wouldn't surprise me if the crease thing happened. So but anyway on the other side of things you have you have what's going on with Daniel and and Robbie and salmon and just sort of like their whole side. They're much more passive training but in the middle of all this He gets this call Ralph Macchio gets this Colony has to go sell cars and it's a good reminder that Johnny just has this in front of me. That's all he's doing. He's trying to he's trying to build Cobra Kai. That's his business. That's his life. All he's got and on the other side. It's like you have to be reminded that Daniels got a life. He's got it wife got these kids and he's got a family and he's got income and he has to go to completely shift gears and sell cars, which I think it makes the stakes higher for Johnny. Definitely like you said this is it for him. Yeah, he's way hungry. He's way more Sly Stallone then Dolph Lundgren. Yeah, so they sell the cars and Amanda encourages Daniel to be his own teacher. So he like, you know, you should come up with his own lessons and that's where he comes up with this new and improved wheel technique and they start to lean a little more into Robbie and Sam. Yeah, I don't like it. It's gonna say it right now not really not a fan of that of that ship from his end to her and I just it just about right for who I do you think it's kind of do you think it's Force like it's obviously Echo they're trained together. Of course, they're gonna fall for each other kind of thing. It feels forced but it also feels like maybe it's forced because it's supposed to set up the the Robbie Miguel like that's really what it's for, right? Yes. She's there to drive their stories in this moment. I don't actually think they want us to buy into the Robbie Sam romance, but maybe they do we know you do nice by the long term. I think they want us to buy into the short term to be able to put our emotions of Robbie and Miguel together. Yeah. It's a little weird in 2019 to have a storyline a female story. And entirely based to serve the story lines of two male characters that doesn't exactly feel like the way writings going anymore feels a little thin actually, which is why I'm addition of like is she going to fight someone? Yeah. I mentioned last time that last episode we're talking about one is that I think they have to have a bigger role for her. Yeah, because right now at the end of episode one, she's like, okay, I'll train you're like what happened you just thought about it and change your mind. It was very quick her whole turn around. Obviously. They had it at hinted at it at the end of last season. That oh, she might join but immediately she's like, oh you clean the pores. I don't got to do anything guy. Let's train. Yeah, you know, I had that thought but I also had that thought of Miguel's out of the picture. She's heartbroken. What am I going to do to not think about him that is a good sign because they're on summer to yeah. She does have a lot of time. So part of it was last season of her stepping back into her girl power and US reconnecting with that part of herself that she had forgotten and now just trying to get over a broken heart, right? Yeah. And I do like that she's training because it allows to bring her into the fold as a as a character beyond what we're talking about and it's only episode 2, so I can't really say that the writing is thin like I don't know where this was going. And as I suggest that in episode 1 with the burning trash can there's red herrings. They it's very obvious. They're they're putting that on a rotating wooden platter for us. And so but Daniel runs in a crease in Johnny and he sees the creases not dead and his blood friggin boy. He's yeah. I have a question though. I just kind of of brings back to my whole point about Robbie. I'm curious about why you guys think Johnny or excuse me? Daniel was going to go talk to Johnny. I assumed it was something about Robbie because you know, Daniel finds out that Robbie is basically a victim and he has to live with them in his mom's out of town and he doesn't want to bring in Johnny because he's so bitter towards Johnny. But as a parent you kind of can't you know, if your child in that situation you I feel again not a parent, but I feel like it's You should respect the other parent regardless and like this is your child and clue them in and I feel like he was going to go do the right thing and do that and then completely got sidetracked advice increase and that just serves the storyline more and more Daniels the villain. He is the childish one who can't see past his own ego. He's way more wrapped up in this Petty rivalry and he won in the 80s. He didn't even lose and just and he won and he's the one who's holding onto it so much more than Johnny is like Johnny's getting beers with Kris. Like I can't say that ending well, but right now, Just drinking a couple cores the banquet beer. That's all they're doing and like you know, and so and so I think Daniels the villain us, you know, Daniel sees the two of them drinking beer and thinks he doesn't care about a son. Why should I even start a conversation with him about Robbie when you know what he's out having beers with crais. He's like, I don't want Chris anywhere near Rob because he thinks about Robbie has his son. Now do you guys like how the writers are almost, you know writing them as children. Do you think it really think that's a major on purpose thing to give us Flash? Bags to 1983 when the first one came out. I mean do we think that's a there specifically writing them as children? Yes. Absolutely. I think that's what makes the show work because they want viewers to buy any of these characters still having the child like robbery. I think yeah, so I mean I'm not on that we but we said it's almost turning us off. Two episodes season 2 that's let's get through. Yeah, they did that exactly. So at this moment than are we still on the same page same question after episode one whose story line. Are you buying into the most at the end of episode to tell Johnny? Still Johnny? Okay. Yeah me too still Kris still Kris. You still want to see that the most I still want Daniel like come on. Yeah. Well, they're they're giving him the best opportunity for growth. Whereas the other guys. I feel like you kind of their little more who they're gonna be no Miguel still unclear. So I'm clear and then maybe Robbie is the Black Swan it because I don't know guys that's going to wrap up episode to hear of Cobra Kai. We got a bunch more coming up. Just a quick message from a sponsor really quickly. Yeah. Absolutely. You guys hope you enjoyed this episode. Hopefully enjoyed the last episode. This is why it were the ESPN of TV talk here at AfterBuzz. And this is one of several shows that we have. 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