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No one can do it for me. And that is from Carol Burnett. And again, very appropriate quote. Miss stuffs her bra for today's show because we have an incredible guest on the show. I was sent her book. and made aware of her by our favorite hypnotherapist Ida, and and I read it and learned so much and of course was so excited to have her on the show today because this is a woman who's had cancer few times and healed herself and worked really really diligently to discover solutions that weren't necessarily available to her without her doing all of the work to find it. So I am really just blown away at how much work she has done and she's really created a road map for all of us in this book how to starve cancer to be able to heal yourself as well. But it's a lot of work and like Carol Burnett said only you can change your life. No one can do it for you. And that's what I talk about and the medical world all the time you can Just lay your health over to one person. You have to be an active participant in it. You have to be asking the questions. You have to be doing your own research. You have to be. Knowledgeable about the limitations of the medical system as it currently stands and know that you have to carry that burden of the rest of it like she talks about in the interview. There's a large chunk that's missing and the sooner. We all realize that there's a large chunk missing the sooner. We're going to get healthier. And take that bull by the horns and do it. And if you can't because you're too ill you need an advocate that's going to do it for you. How long ago did you have access to this book just a couple months ago. So Ida had sent it to me in a link and she said I think this would be really helpful to you and I was like, I'm chilling mom's doing good. I can't read another book right now. I was really like once I was able to catch my breath then I was able to focus on my Staff and so I didn't I didn't read it right away. And then my mom got re-diagnosed and guess whose ass was reading. That book is super fast. And so I think that is the biggest thing to impart on everyone is that there is a missing chunk. It has been acknowledged by people in the medical community themselves. You heard. Dr. Christy Funk talk about it on this up on the show and so today. Jane McClelland is on the show. Like I said, she was only 13 when she was diagnosed with cancer a few years later. It was stage 4 it had spread to her lungs 18 years later. She's alive and well and thriving she's a physiotherapist with scientific training and she was able to examine and digest hundreds of research papers that went beyond any drugs or therapies offered and somehow found a new way to treat cancer one that enhance the best of Complementary and conventional medicine and starved cancerous cells from the nutrients they needed as fuel and she also talks about care oncology, which is a really great resource for people. I feel like if you're new to this and you need that extra help like I filled out the forms. I haven't I never finished it but care oncology seems like a really great place to to start. Yeah a resource. I never heard about Yeah, and so the episode is long. So we're going to end our chitchat and get right to it. It is a Skype interview and we've had Skype interviews before but sometimes we have the little talk thing talk over thing happen. And I apologize for that. I had a couple of coughs also she's in England. She's yeah, she's across the pond. Yes, but and I'm not trying to scare you. Please listen and in there's a Valuable information in there. We're going to talk about chemo brain. We're talking about of course exactly what she did we're talking about her post-chemo plan vitamin C drips and how important those are and how similar and helpful they could be in a way that chemotherapy is the parallels between psoriasis and tumors. If you have psoriasis you want to re you want to listen to this as well. If you're even type 2 diabetic her findings were from other. Ailments that she applied to her cancer. So there's a lot in here that's helpful for a lot of things. So I hope you guys find it useful. I really recommend her book how to starve cancer because there's gonna be a lot of stuff in here and you're going to be like taking feverish notes, but it's all in the book and we will put all the resources in the summary for this. So without further Ado. Here's our interview with Gene McClelland everybody Steven here from the booth. Sorry to interrupt for a second, but I have to tell you about Spotify on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including Better Together, which I'm hoping you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever you are and you can easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. Remember, Marie always says to be nice people make good choices and be present and one of the the things you can do presently is make a good choice to go download the Spotify app and search for Better Together. You can browse other podcasts in the your library Tab and you can make sure to follow us here. So you don't miss an episode of Better Together. Alright Jane. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I came across your book and it's very marked up if you can see and I'm fascinated by your journey and your courage to kind of share it because it's scary. To share alternative methods of healing yourself. And so it was funny a hypnotherapist. I work with about gosh. Maybe it was in July emailed my husband and I and said listen. I know you're always looking for other things. This might be helpful with your mom. My mom has stage four brain cancer and I had the link and I never opened it because I was like my mom's doing great. I can take a break from all the research for a minute and then she got diagnosed with a recurrence. So guess who went right to that email immediately pulled up the link bought the book and started applying things instantly. And so I want to start with of course your story and I want you to explain to everyone when you were diagnosed your whole your whole story just go from start to finish. You've said it a million times. I'm sure so you've probably got it down to a great sound bite of sorts. Well, I haven't decided that many times but I was diagnose initially in 1994 with cervical cancer, which had spread to my lymph nodes. I then went through the normal standard Protocols of chemoradiotherapy had over X hysterectomy. And at this point I was only 30 years old. So I was pretty young and it was pretty devastating because it obviously took away my fertility and I was more concerned about that than I was about dying at the time. It really didn't occur to me that Actually, I had quite an advanced cancer eyes looking very positively at it and just assumed I'd be fine then give every impression by the doctors that I was going to be fine. So it was when my mother died in 96 of breast cancer that I kind of woke up little bit the fact that actually I was anyone stayed away from stage 4 which is as you know, mentally the terminal stage or the final stage. Angel whatever they like to call it say I started to change my diet. I tried to get my mom to change it out before she died. But you know, she left this Earth pretty fast from having told us she had cancer that had spread to her liver and her bones and she she was only around for eight weeks. So it really gave us very little time but during that eight weeks. I didn't awful lot of exploring and hunting and trying to find things to save her. And that's when I came across not just the conventional treatments, but I was working at it and intravenous vitamin C and lots of things like that, but I didn't Implement a lot of that into my I didn't feel that I need to get that point. I changed my diet. I cut out Dairy. I cut out wheat and meet things like that. So and cut down a Mite alcohol and then in 99 I started coughing up blood and as took myself into hospital and they discovered I had a lung tumor in my right lung. So I had a chunk of lung removed and then I had loads of chemo but during that time. I already had my head in a different space because I've realized that you know, that would have been done before was very basic. The treatment I was receiving now is very basic and I felt that there were so many know the body's holistic. You need to look at the whole body and not just a bit of it as having a tumor. You've got to treat the whole whole person and I felt that wasn't being done. So I radical change my diet and then I started looking at supplements and then I veered towards off-label drugs and aspirin was my first plan obviously as a very basic easy to to get it to obtain. And then I ended up having a problem with my blood in 2003 and this is kind of result of the chemo and radiotherapy that I'd had before and once I got to that point I need chemo had actually caused it. So any more chemo was not going to be useful for me. The killer has the blood issue. I think it was probably more radiotherapy. But the combination of the two I had a huge dose and my my oncologist was quite clear to me that she was giving me a massive dose because she felt that I was not going to survive anyway, so and that was really the lung cancer and this blood disorder. Well, the the DeSoto was a result if the chemo for the lung and cervical God I Miss U's and what were you doing for a living? at this time Well fulminate tell us a physiotherapist so happy I did that but and then as soon as I got diagnosed with cancer, I just couldn't face treating patients for a while. It just took me a long time because I couldn't deal with somebody whinging about a sprained. Ankle when I was dealing with cancer. It's just my compassion. I'm afraid just went out the window. I get it. I get it do that and I kind of launched myself into I made a waterproof but stuck on the side of the bath called path Rubik's and I then later on created some toiletries to go with it. It actually one gift of the year. It's slightly different pack of sort of beauty relaxation meditation everything sort of rolled into one and for lasso therapy treatments, which are sort of seaweed-based natural very natural treatments Casino. Parrot. I did this, you know before before it was well known to sort of take out parabens and all these things. That's right. So but you were in the medical kind of profession, so you you don't of into your own case feeling that the regular medical system wasn't enough. I always felt there was a large chunk missing that it was so basic and that we weren't using the proper cocktails. I could kind of see with HIV the way things were moving in that field that there was starting to put together quite effective cocktails and to me they didn't exist in cancer. Yes, you have cocktails of chemo, but this it wasn't the same there wasn't the the approach to Target the metabolism in the abnormal uptake of glucose and things like that to me all of that side was completely ignored in the work of Otto will back in, you know, the 1922 seem to be ignored and to Venus vitamin C clearly had benefits because it you know high doses it produces hydrogen peroxide which a free radicals and these kill off stem cells and it's to me it just seems ridiculous that we weren't. Taking advantage of less toxic therapies and adding those in more to me. Also, I would say that when you think about the regular kind of chemo radiation surgery protocol, it's we're doing all this damage. Why are we not fortifying the body and building the immune system at the same time so that it can handle the toxicity levels that what never made sense in my mind and why I shipped my mom off to Mexico and we Did lots of immune immune boosting therapies and that's why I believe she's here three plus years later with stage four brain cancer. And so I like how you say it a large chunk was missing that makes a lot of sense to me. I like that. Yes, it was and and it is and I discovered what that chunk is, you know in my delving in to my own case and then delving into other people's cases. That the picture has become bigger and bigger because since 2004 2004 was my last time when I have my markers really high and I had all these other things going on, but after that point I started to help other people as well. So I sort of builds up a picture of and I knew that the cocktail that I put together of old drugs and really helped me and I was trying to help other people with Cocktails with old drugs as well and I was you know, it was it just built up a bigger picture of Pathways of where things were being blocked and I've kind of tried to pray they see the Pathways in my book to make it simple. But I mean effectively there are 3-3 macros in the diet as glucose, which is your carb fatty acids, which you're fat and glutamine, which is your protein. Which what your cancer will feed off. So those three things effectively what it will want to feed on and it can use either of those two and it will switch and change depending on its location and the availability of what's around so it kind of started to make more sense to me when I understood the cancer stem cell a little bit more and how it differed from the fast dividing cell, which is what conventional So treatment streets so chemo and radiotherapy only get the first dividing cell and so one percent of your tumor is a cancer stem cell and that's the really dangerous one that gets left behind and it's flexible. It's adaptable it'll change how it feeds it will change, you know, it will somehow become resistant to whatever you've done to it in order to survive and it can just lay hidden right? Like I think that's what I read. Read in the book as excuse me is it can lay hidden like your cancer can be in remission. Let's say everyone can say you're good, but it's hidden and then it pops up again later. Right? Well, it can say it's a bit like a bit like a viral infection which may be shingles or something which can go dormant and then just re-emerges. Okay. It's very much like that and there are triggers and viral triggers can do that actually. With some cancers you see that and you know CMV is actually linked to brain cancer. I'm sure you've explored that. I actually enjoyed having you don't know anything about CMV. Please tell me oh my to make a virus that is linked to brain cancers and Falcons ciclavia, which is an antiviral is sometimes given to if you have an act and they should test really to see whether you have an active. Live with your mum has got an active CMV going on because if she does then the addition of an antiviral will be very useful and it will help keep it damp down and suppressed. So how is that like a blood test reset your later? I know is that a blood test? Okay, I'm gonna do it done. I can send you some info on that if you like, please please do. So you created you were basically your own guinea pig because at that point they were telling you you were terminal, right? Yeah, and then they ended up having this blood cancer, which again was a terminal because once you have myelodysplasia or anything like that from Top, which is caused by the chemo and the radiotherapy there is nothing they can give you for the or nothing that will cure you they you know, they they they don't expect you to survive longer than a few weeks because you've already had that prior treatment which of course wrecks your immune systems. So you are It's less so they expected me to be cast off fairly quickly as a result of it, but slow I am still here. So and the reason for that is because I added in these off-label drugs. So you had the cervical your the cervical cancer that you did the right regular chemo radiation surgery. Then you had the lung cancer which you had the surgery right or so. It's so cool that it spread to the lungs. Yes not. Cancer. Okay. It is just it had spread to a different organ. So when it's spread your TV when it's spread to the lung did you do radiation and chemo again? I did I did emo and surgery. Okay, and then when you got the blood the blood cancer, you said okay enough is enough. I can't do more chemo. I can't do more radiation. And that's when you created these cocktails. That's right because there was very little but I could do so do more chemo is not an option that just would have ruined my system even more so I didn't want to do that and the only the only options I could find were, you know, I just trials are going to go into research and just try to find anything that might give me a glimmer of hope. Yeah, and when I came across how it had helped. The block is on certain cancers. It stopped growth factors. I didn't know about it blocking certain Pathways to which fed the cancer because in fact it's what I knew it stop nucleoside Salvage and that's sort of how the cell sort of grabs little chunks of DNA that might be floating around in the area and engulfs it and recreates new daughter cells by using these tiny little chunks of DNA because the cancer cell is very very lazy. If it can get chunks of DNA pre-made it will use them very efficient. So so what it does is it Ruffles its membrane pulls in stuff from outside the surrounding area and just refashion sort of so creates do it has to have enough macro molecules to some divided into two. So it's sort of swells up has to really increase in size and it you know to do that. It needs fat glucose. Very to me, you know, it needs all those things to create these daughter cells because it's dividing all the time. And this is this is really the area where we just been missing. We complete this as a such an area ripe for treatment and yes, it's been completely ignored for decades to most a century before we get into what you research and you found when you were going through all these different phases. You said you adopted a cleaner diet. Was there anything else you did did you do vitamin C infusions? I did when I when I had the stage for to the lung I definitely started doing those quite regularly. And do you think that I won't? Oh, definitely. I was checking my markers. You know, I had them done regularly to the point where my oncologist with just he just broke me out a whole Sheaf of papers signed and said just go have them taken whenever you like because I was trying to keep on top of what was going on. I was making a graph. I'm charting everything seeing will this work? I was you know, I was experimenting on myself. So I need to know what I was doing was having an effect. And so the Benefits man see I know work because that's my Marcus dropped to the lowest level when I had been trained as bitumen see and that in combination with quite a few supplements which could starve the cancer including berberine. Yeah, which I did, you know berberine. I've had a chart in my book I do. I ready I read the book. So I put my mom on my breast. Yeah because it lowers your glucose levels and glucose is what feeds has cancer yep, that cheap you think about the brain the brain is mostly made up of at and actually the cancer would like to use fat too and the thing about berberine and why it works better than metformin for killing off cancers that berberine has an effect of blocking up some of the fat so actually if you compare metformin and Burberry metformin is a diabetic probe, which is very equivalent to berberine in a lot of ways, they both hit similar Pathways, but Perrine will actually block more fat uptake than the metformin which is why there's more effective in the brain. So it does depend on the location as to what you choose and how much you have of what but you know, it's a matter of just understanding your your tumor a little bit better and you know what it's made up of how it feeds and all of that information. Operation is on Google. It hasn't quite got down to I take all of that information. Actually, we're at Cutting Edge of trying to work out the scientists to try and work out the pathways the metabolic pathways the way it's the way it sort of brings the nutrients and what it really likes to feed on all of those things are being that's that's a sort of The Cutting Edge of research at this moment in time. So is coming out. Yeah. I'm right on the edge telling people where to look and how to find it. So hopefully people are able to glean as much information as they can. Yeah to you know to help themselves what best use yeah. So when you say your markers went down when you say your markers went down can you explain that to people so that they can understand as their likes their people who are listening to this who just got diagnosed and this is all new to them Yeah, so different cancers will have different markers. So colon cancer will have a different one to breast cancer will have a different one to the one I had which was squamous cell carcinoma. Now, they're not very good at they can't really detect faint. I don't think they have one for brain tumors. Do they get don't believe salons don't know. So the only thing you can look at with brain. Tumors is really the LDH which is your lactate dehydrogenase, but the with other cancers. You can look at antigen markers. So this is how the body is reacting to the to the cancer and these Spike and go up the more cancer you have so to start with when I was first diagnosed. Well, they didn't take my markers. They completely ignored that until I had stage 4 they would have discovered. I had stage 4 if they've actually done it a bit earlier so many Things that could have been done better and you were treated in the UK. Yeah and IHS, and the problem with the NHS is the give you all the cheek treatments first. So they'll wreck your immune system with the chemo before you're offered any of the more expensive treatments. You have to sort of earn the right to have that, you know by surviving to earn the right to have more expensive treatment. So it's all back back to front really whereas in the u.s. At least you get to maybe get on some of the immunotherapies earlier like a key Trudeau. It yeah all of that. So yeah, and that's you know, some of those things have been changed being incredibly useful. But yeah for me that those things didn't exist back then anyway, so I would I did with some of the the die pretty model which is one of the off-label drugs that I took is actually hugely beneficial for the immune system because it's not only good for blocking the path ways. It's an antiviral as well. So it was actually back in the 80s. They looked at adding it is a tea for treating 8, so that's and I knew that I had the HPV virus because that's commonly associated the cervical cancer and then you know, I so I thought something that we thought was antiviral as well with yeah, and you find that actually there's a combination of infectious agents. Normally associated with cancer. It's not normally notice one thing but certainly an antiviral to me seemed to be like a good plan. And then the other one of the other things I added was a Statin I use Lovastatin. No, it's only the fat loving statins for like oh Felix patents that are any good. We got a whole range of statins out there, but they're not all beneficial for cancer like a dervish certain though. So two of us that in and Lovastatin and simvastatin a kind of three main fat loving ones and they're really useful for cancer and I added Lovastatin and I've come across some research to show that a non-steroidal in combination with a Statin was five times better at killing cancer cells and on their own. So I added this it was for dulac was a non-steroidal I use which is normally used for arthritis. What's it called? So I added that in at the max a toddler like a toddler lack? It's okay. He's like there's quite a few sort of ketorolac and that quite a few sulindac there. There are class of nonsense or variables. All of those have been shown to be very beneficial to cancer but even ibuprofen and cultural, you know, those are actually quite useful. Is it because it's an entire inventory? There there is that inflammatory trigger, which is the trigger for every single cancer and some cancers and more inflammatory than others for example ovarian and colorectal are highly inflammatory. And so actually, you know, a non-steroidal would be something I would recommend people investigated. They have those cancers adding those in definitely but for me, yeah, I used it because I knew it would attack the blood and Get in there and hopefully do its job, but I didn't know I was going to go into remission. I you know to me at that point I was clinging on and I just really wanted to buy myself a few weeks. How many years is a Bento 14 so so safe to say you did a great job when you're so when you were Sherlock Holmes in this You were adding the bereans. I know you had a doxycycline as well, right? No, I didn't doxycycline is something that is used by the care Oncology Clinic, which is a clinic I discovered in 2015. Okay, maybe I'm getting his similar popped out. The one that I yeah, I used I printable. Okay antiplatelet drug got it so they don't use sadly the Carroll College if you don't use that one as they did, but they don't so okay. That's right. Actually, I remember my hypnotherapist sent me the link to care. As well, so you're a fan of theirs. I am I think what they've done is astonishing. They just tried to you know, in terms of the probably the medical profession is that they need to have their data and they need to have a randomized clinical trials. They need to have studies coming out of every orifice before they'll believe that anything is worth its weight, you know, and that time everybody dies. Yeah, and the problem with these old drugs is they are so cheap and they're off patent and nobody can be bothered to run any trials on them because they're not going to make any money out of it. So they just get ignored left on the Shelf. But what what Karen ecology are doing it, there are effectively asking the patient to fund the study. So everybody pays privately to go and see them it's not extortion it, you know the UK seems to be a bit cheaper than the us. So we pay about 450 I think in the KN I think the u.s. I think is about $800 like a visit. So more expensive for for for Skype got it consult. Okay, they go through everything and they work out the best combination. Not everybody thinks it's the same for drugs in the same dosage. It isn't there. There is some variation as to your type of cancer and how much or what you will have of each and clearly there are some personal. Medical things that need to take into consideration. Yeah. Well, I'm sure they individualize things much more than the regular Hospital would Yeah, so so they try and work out what the best combination for you would be data and that's such a resource on results. Yeah based on results that they're getting so far from from patients since 2015. So you would say there are the missing chunk. That is part of okay. No, it's good to know. If you look on page three one nine in my book. I have my metro map which covers certain Pathways and this is kind of my metro map is kind of being bandied around everywhere because it's it's kind of like the key to starving your stem cells and the stem cell is the really tricky difficult thing to get so What I've done is I've worked at the major fuel lines kind of like the pipeline's like I called it the Metro because it's like the underground system and if you know the cats and can't fuel itself one way you can just use another fuel line and come back in through a different something it can switch from one line to another, you know, something on the other side, so it might not be glucose. It might be glutamine, which is as protein or it might even be a fatty acid. Just to keep fueling itself. And I know people are very very fond of the key stomach diet, but actually brain cancers do feed on acetate quite voraciously and that is a ketone. So you have to be a little bit. Wary ya know if you started with static diet is not necessarily something you should is very good. I think for kick-starting a low GI diet and sort of getting yourself into a good basic pack. No of of eating a low glycemic diet, but actually staying on it for too long. If you got cancer the cancer learns to just feed of what you're giving it if you're not careful, so, you know, you've got to learn to block all those Pathways and actually taking berberine at the same time. As you are if you are on a ketogenic diet is very beneficial because that will stop it's a cheek being taken up. Yeah, I the brain cancer. It's funny we start with my mom and ketogenic diet. We started my mom and a ketogenic diet back. Back three years ago, but I quickly modified it because I thought this doesn't feel right to be pumping her with so much fat or allowing that much of a fat intake didn't seem right. So I just said Mom. I know we're cutting out all the sugar if you want a piece of bacon in the morning. I'm not going to stop you but we are not going to throw heavy creams and all this crazy stuff in there. That's it's not good for anybody. So anything in extreme isn't good. Exactly. I'm a great believer of making it the Middle Road really because actually you don't want to be going extreme on only thing you end up wrecking one system or another exactly. So I just think yeah, so going slowly down the middle path is much more effective than hurtling off the cliff one way or you know, I actually love the road the other way and I think you know, you've just got to go steady. Path and be using a cocktail approach so that you are you know, targeting all the blocky all the puppies. So it doesn't have a chance to rewire all reroute itself. And that's the key is to try and block as many as the key Pathways for your cancer as you can so does somebody help. Well first I want to ask you while you were Sherlock Holmes laying all of this you're adding all these things. Were you afraid of the Her actions what? Yeah, I was I was so did you have like bad drug interactions? I mean I read but I don't remember seeing anything like that. I didn't you know what I had absolutely no interaction whatsoever. I kind of because your liver could have gone into overdose. Yeah, but you know, these are so low toxicity when you compare them to chemo or anything else, you know, metformin statins people take those all the time and you can take those alongside chemo immunotherapies because they're so low toxicity. They're not going to affect the other treatments that you might be on and this is the keys you add them on in addition to whatever else you are taking and that's the important things they build up this cocktail to sort of block the path. Space as well as you know, boosting your immune system will doing whatever else you're doing so that it works in a sort of a myriad of different ways to sort of block the book the uptake of all the stuff it needs to fuel itself. But the yeah, so the diaphragm all antiplatelet drug, very low toxicity metformin low toxicity. It's the safest drug I say, you know, I mean it has the there were I'm concerned about it causing to low blood glucose production. It's been shown to be normal glass in it. So it normalizes your blood glucose. It doesn't drop it down. You could be careful. If you're a type 1 diabetic that doesn't apply but type twos, you know, they take it very safely and then starting is like I said, they're commonly use the Assad like was probably the one that had the most potential side effect because it can give you stomach. It's and things and long term kidney issues to be taking too long. What about the aspirin? So because I heard I was talking to a doctor yesterday and I was telling him about the aspirin and he said you have to have such high doses for it to be effective in cancer. Not true. It depends on the cocktail that you have. So again, if the greater the cocktail the less of each thing you need and aspirin really works best in combination with metformin or berberine because together they will block the fatty acid synthesis pathway, which is a making fat to produce the daughter cells. So you actually need to be having both together in order to block that but if you just Aspirin on its own you won't get that effect. So yeah, you might have to have very high doses to knock off the cox-2 which is the inflammatory side, but that's not really that's part of that's only part of the game. You're missing a really important factor, which is starving the cancer which is kind of where I'm coming from it and starving the cancer is the key to actually getting rid of the stem cell. So it's the combination of the aspirin and the metformin or aspirin and burbling which it was important thing. So it's combinations cocktails of the key and it's not just one thing. If you test one drugs that chemo these massive doses because that's all they're using. It's my numbing Lee stupid to be just using a huge dose of chemo. Whereas he could lower it and be doing a cocktail approach and using a greater number of lesser toxic things in order to achieve a far greater effect. A large dose of chemo to you. What's that is the maximum tolerated dose? So it's the amount they can give you without causing toxic lysis syndrome, which is where you get a breakdown of the cancer is so great from giving you chemo that you put your body into sort of toxic shock and they try and give you just below that level. That's that's the maximum out of this and that that varies depending on the type of chemo and you know your weight and everything else. So yeah, are you for or against radiation? I think it definitely has a place I think stereotactic or you know targeted radiotherapy is a far better option if I have email. And chemo. No, you said it's a far better option far better than what the the targeted radiotherapy is far better than just, you know a general blast with the normal radiotherapy machines which scatter everywhere if you have this 3D machine which sort of fires from all sorts of different angles, you can pinpoint and each each Ray has got a much lower Brad so that you're actually focusing the concentration of the the beam onto just a small area. And you don't get that scatter whereas a 2d which is what they normally use just gives you scatter that way scatter that way and you just affect all sorts of surrounding tissues and you get fibrosis and you get you know, you end up if you are treating the pelvis you get that rare and you get I mean just all sorts of hideous complications. I've seen it in the brain. Not fun. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Okay, so go back through Ooh for everyone who's taking notes crazily who I know will end up buying this book anyway and finding it all in here. What is the cocktail that you think is most applicable to most cancers nowadays if you have one? Okay. Well certainly the top two things. I would add would be metformin and statins and you know, I got a quick that's my chip dent. You can see it. I see it. Yeah, it looks like an ovary with it's funny. Yeah, or would you metformin or berberine because you said berberine blocks more? So why do you say metformin well I say metformin because it's more standardized and you know what you're getting sometimes of natural supplements. You don't always know what you're getting but metformin is a sort of standardized thing. But having said that I would also pulse a bit of bourbon in there too. And I at the moment what I do is I alternate between berberine and Metformin I still take those and occasion. I still take that in as well. And occasionally, I still take my diaper animal. Light but there are many different things to block different pathways are actually two there's no standard. I wouldn't say I'd give people options on how to block those Pathways for example aerobic glycolysis, which is this abnormal fermentation process that happens in cancer cells. That is something that can be blocked with intravenous vitamin C. But I give people the options of you know, There's DCA and to dg2 deoxy glucose and for EVP which is you know, but getting hold of some of those things can be quite tricky but there are some natural supplements that can help block that as well like chrysten. And so there are options for each for each pathway so that you can actually learn to work out how to block those and then you've got to work out if you block that is going to travel which pathway is it then going to travel up. You go to block make sure you block that one to to stop it from swinging back. So when I look at the Metro map that you have on page 319 each one of those lines like the red and the purple. Those are different lines. We got a block right? So I see like you've got the berberine the doxycycline maybe something met and and ICL. I'm not closing might. Yeah, so that's a worming kill an old woman kill that actually has a huge effect on several. Pathways and some of the cell signaling actually at the beginning that can kind of carry the whole thing through. So are you saying that you have to do one of these lines and then at a certain point switch to another line and then a certain point switch to another line so that No, what what counts would do is use several Pathways together. So all of them will use mtor. All of them will use insulin Ali's PPP the pentose phosphate pathway. They are all use Ox Foster's that makes sense and they'll all use glycolysis and glutamine all Isis. But the bias changes depending on the type of cancer. You have a say that you know prostate cancer doesn't use very much. Aerobic glycolysis, which is unusual until it's very Advanced so depends on your type of cancer as to which of those Pathways it prefers but most most cancers use the majority of those Pathways most of the time but you know, it's worth finding out your metabolic phenotype, but you shouldn't get too bogged down and people do get a little bit worried. Oh, I don't know which one to start on but just look at the map and just get going and start blocking stuff, you know, because some of these these drugs will block many of the pathways and Metformin blocks igf-1 rocks mtor, it blocks Ox fast and you know reduces glucose. Anyway, the statins will block the glute one, which is the glucose receptor on the cancer and it'll also stop them. They're learning pathway, which is the cholesterol pathway that it uses to create new blobs of cholesterol on the surface of the daughter cells. So it's it's a matter of understanding. Standing how the cancer cell it's very basic really it's one cell dividing into two and to do that in these fat protein carb and it's just a matter of working out which fuel lines are the most upregulated that then you need to make sure you blocking other ones as well. So I mean it so that's why they tell you to stop eating meat right because the protein Yeah, to be honest, you know glutamine is abundant in your body pretty much everywhere. It does help to reduce the glutamine amount that's around but your body kind of the cancer learns to feed of glutamine as it gets more aggressive generally most cancers will start off using glucose ovarian for example starts off using mostly fat and glucose. But it does use bleach mean as well, but then it switches to a predominance of using more glutamine as it gets more advanced. So it depends on the sort of phase of the cancers to where it is and how it's feeding. So it's not a straightforward picture. Yeah, sadly, of course, that's why yeah, that's why also the standard of care is is tough because everybody Body is so individual but I'm trying to like simplify some of it for people. So you said in your kind of if in starving cancer 101 if I'm a newbie and I have just been diagnosed and I'm desperate to at least like put the brakes on some stuff while I do my education and learn and research and read your book and other books metaphor Min berberine. Intermittent fasting very effective. So you actually cut down the amount of time that you are feeding. So you have a smaller window of your feeding time. So you'll do it over 6 or 8 hours and then you won't eat for you know, 18 hours or 16 hours. So you can do you can do these these intermittent far some people like to do some two straight days of no no feeding, but it depends on whether you don't want to do. Too long when he got cancer, if you're a healthy person you can do a five day class no problem at all. But I feel that when you've got cancer you might just make the cancer a little bit resistant to that because it then uses this or topology which is self feeding itself from the outside and some starting to eat away your body a little bit. So you got to be careful because even small periods of fasting. Okay, like even six hours of fasting. Okay? Yeah longer than that should you you should yeah, definitely try and aim for 16 to 18 hours ideally, okay, what else so overnight so that's people should feed until about 6:00 p.m. And traditionally what people do is then not eat until midday the next day. I actually think if you can feed in the morning and then stop at about 3 p.m. That's probably more effective but people struggled to that. It's much easier somehow to eat at 6:00 stop and then not eat until Midday the next day about it. Okay, so we've got that we've got meta foreman berberine intermittent fasting. What's next? Yep, and then you need so the Carol ecology drugs are very good at blocking pretty much most of the key Pathways. But I've you know, I added something to block this little talk with you as well because it's not something that account ecology drugs deal with so don't put them all was one of the drugs that I use and it stops this uptake of these little chunks of equally sized these chunks of DNA. And the other thing that really should be looked at is some anti-malarials like chloroquine a safer version of his hydroxychloroquine. It's not so damaging on the eyes. But also, you know, you've got to be blocking glutamine Alles is such as the breakdown of glutamine to feed itself as well. This is the protein and you need a cocktail to do that because glutamine is the most abundant amino acid that you have in your body. So you're not A stop it from being present, but what you can do is stop it getting to the cancer. So you stopped the transport you stop the way that it breaks itself down. So there are steps of blue to me analysis, which can be targeted and you've got to you don't have to understand the process. You just have to know that a combination of curcumin and a solid Casa de going to help do that. So that's that's you know, that's kind of key and was very Charles as well. Those three things are very good at helping to block and green tea stops a lot of the glutamine transport as well, which is why it is so brilliant in every Cancer every Cancer needs to you know, you need to be drinking green tea. I'm taking this Allah can curcumin was very well was virtual there is potentially a link to sort of east region. But I think if you're taking tamoxifen or any of these other things I think you're absolutely fine. But you know, some people are very wary about that. Hmm, and then the aspirin is a statins. Aspirin. Yes, you can swap that over for something natural if you wanted if you're worried about your stomach sea Buckthorn oil is an alternative to that. What is it called? So that there are sea Buckthorn oil see Buckland Chi spell that. Buckthorn Buckthorn Okay, Sea Buckthorn English accent don't worry the Buckthorn oil that is actually animate 7. Yeah, and this has a lot of beneficial effects on the metabolism. But it stops this fatty acid synthesis in the same way that aspirin and Metformin do together. So that's a natural version. Wow, and everybody likes to get natural versions of for sure General hatred of drugs. We don't understand but you know, they they are effective and if they're low toxicity and in the UK we can get them prescribed if Get them because five free then wow. It's so much cheaper than spending fortunes on supplements, which is what every cancer patient does. They end up spending an absolute the end our I know trust me spend fortunes on traveling Here There and Everywhere. It's just well, it just makes me gasp in horror. But anyway got it. Yeah, so when you were going through this, I remember reading Ying I read this some time ago and I've been in the middle of a lot of Madness with my mom's stuff, I remember you had to kind of mix doctors and get different things from different people. Is that right? Well, I I kind of you know different doctors have their own characters and their own preferences of how they like to do things and they particularly in this field where it's slightly more unregulated and These complimentary integrative doctors are quite free to sort of prescribed pretty much what they feel is appropriate and they will they are prepared to take risks and normal oncology doctors do not take risks. They do what they're told. They follow the guidelines. They will prescribe you what's written down on that piece of paper at stage 3. This is what you give over it. You know it just a list of you know, the protocols of which you have to follow. It's like a recipe book. But so I did chop and change. In fact, I saw for complimentary doctors over a period of several years because I just needed to glean information, you know back then it was not so easy to get it from the internet. It was I was getting most of my information from books from PubMed from and just picking the brains of people who you know have been to conferences and lectures and knew about this stuff. So that is actually really Great resource, it's Pub pu B Med and my brain explodes nine times out of ten reading these medical journals. I laugh because I'm like Mike upswing bake them really difficult to understand how my Lord like thankfully. I have like a good kind of intuition and gut so some of it I can figure out but that last 10% just explodes my brain, but they're very helpful eating the abstract. Yeah. Exactly and the discussion at the end and the results and then you work through the middle. Yeah, but yeah, that's the way to tackle it. And then yeah, so, I mean that I'm lucky that I had some medical training that I could kind of work out a lot of what it said because this is a lot of work, you know oncology was like be exactly yeah, and it's a lot of work and so I wonder when you went to the doctors and you told them hey, this is what I did and look. I am cured. What did they say? You know, I kind of drifted off and I was sort of unmonitored and then just they forgot about me. They didn't bother you. No, oh she's fine now and nobody really questioned it or they just thought that I was just still in remission from my cervical cancer because actually when the blood cancer came back, it was diagnosed through a series of blood tests and various things that were done by the integrator. Oncologist and I sent some of these results to my normal oncologist that she didn't twig. It was a new cancer. She kind of couldn't understand why I had these changes in the budget sent it off to an immune ologist and said what's going on? Why do we have this deleted p53 in the blood? Why do we have you know, and I was telling her that I had aerobic glycolysis, which is a marker for cancer in my blood and things but she didn't she didn't week. I think she was so worried about the cervical. Sir coming back she kind of and she probably never had cancer patient survived long enough to get the secondary blood cancers. So I was an unusual case I think and I didn't want to go with her because I knew she would want to give me chemo. She didn't want she'd feel compelled to try and persuade me to have something and I just didn't want to have that argument with her. So I just let it right. Well if she That's it. If she's not really twigged. I'm not going to be starting that conversation. So I put I wanted to know more about the deleted p53 and what that meant what ramifications that had on my cancer and obviously a deleted p53 is a bad knee Nation to have it means the brakes are off means it can Rampage and just be run away. So yeah, that kind of was an alert that I need to get going and do something. Really fast and that's why I decided to take things into my own hands a little bit and find out about these all drugs and then go and beg complimentary doctors prescribe them to me and I went to different doctors because I didn't want to have the argument about taking all of them all at once. So I started kind of sort of one from one and fear and then eventually actually checked with one of the doctors before I actually took that leap to take the whole lot together, but that was that was something I you know, I felt very strongly that the cocktail was an important and key and it is key is to have a cocktail which I'm surprised the doctors even knew how those would interact. Oh, sorry. I'm surprised a doctors even knew whether that would interact well or not because I don't know how many people have ever really done that before. That what that I mean, you know the band after that even online now, you can check drug interactions and things is quite simple in type in the list of things and it'll come out with whether it's okay or not. So, you know, my don't try went the promote he had never prescribed before but he remembered the research back from the 1980s and you and all but I've never prescribed it but there's Reason why you can't have it might cause your few headaches to start with which it didn't fortunately but it does for about 10% of people who take type in more get headaches to start with but you kind of normally push through those for a few days. He's a doctor but you know the Statin and if they're commonly prescribed medications, you'll find that a lot of those uncertainties of prescribed. Those are the ones I've already mentioned. I mean we're Probably preventing by this overprescribing that's going on. Anyway, we are probably preventing a lot more cancer and in the community than there would be already because actually the combination of just that in a metformin reduces your chance of having cancer by about 80% World, which is pretty huge. What is metformin normally given for Type 2 diabetes. Okay, Ashley, so it helps it actually has the most effect they've got but it does help the liver and just helps reduce the amount of glucose available. Wow. Okay. I have a couple lacerations. I want to get to with you first. What does your cancer starving diet look like yeah so back then my diet was predominantly, what would be described as a Paleo diets? I cut out things like potatoes Tomatoes. There was certainly no Cool, no witty things in my diet. So it was very widespread but I suppose it would be seen as being quite clean, but you know, no Dairy like no choices. Yeah none. Well, I did occasionally have a bit of Parmesan and okay and occasionally a tiny bit of goats cheese and then a tiny bit of yogurt but really very very rarely. Okay, that was special treat. So that was yeah the parmesan I had because the butyric acid help Mike and stuff, but that was the only bit of dairy that I allowed myself. Then the rest. It was mostly I mean I had fish so I'd have sardines once a week and and then I have some other fish as well. At least the by these huge packs of Frozen sardines keep them in the freezer. And what was the property and the sardines that you were looking for? Because I know that was purposeful. Yeah, so oily fish fast swimming oily fish so they have less carcinogens less Mercury and they also have high levels of Omega-3 and it's a mega three that is important. They also have a huge amount of some of the glutamate from the protein stuff. But actually, you know, I was I don't think people should be as worried about the glutamine being present. I'm not saying eat me. I just think you've got to be a little bit careful about the quantity of things that you have and I certainly think that fish is a far healthier option than meat when he have cancer. So although there are some people who thrive on organ meats and things that bit again, they are very high in the right essential fats. So, you know, they can be very beneficial to different ways. And I know you're the brain tumors which feed off mostly glucose while someone is interesting because brain tumors can actually feed off glucose and fat or there might be a bias towards glutamine and fats and and you know, Diet Works for one brain cancer patient won't necessarily work for another there seems to be a split between the type, you know, the ID H 1 and 2 mutations seem to have a bearing as to which way they're so there are all sorts of different. You know the idh. I don't actually okay. Another thing to look up ID search Beauty ssion. Yeah, so how does one find out? What there is is it through the MGMT report? You should you should have that in the report or they should have they should have done some testing on the tumor. Yeah, that's the MGMT report. Usually well that one tells you whether you're going to respond to chemo or radiation. I don't know how much more detail that gets. I think it tells you other off-label drugs that could be beneficial if the time comes and you need it because I remember there was some of that I see why wait, you know, some of these off-label drugs are unless they're really toxic, you know, and I'm not talking about the total the ones I'm talking about the old off-patent forgotten ones. There's no point waiting to add them in. You know, your body your brain needs to have those Pathways. If you've got a tumor in there you need to have the abnormal Pathways blocked off so that you can actually just function normally but just starve. Of the cancer because it is starving the cancer cell rather than starving the rest of you which is why I kind of called my book how to survive cancer without starving yourself because the drug that you do that they will actually Target the the voracious feeding of the cancer cells and actually allow your healthy cells to operate normally. So that's That's the basis of my Approach. There was something else I wanted to ask you about. And that was there was a parallel between psoriasis and tumors. Well, it was when I was researching for my particular cancer. I had a keratin izing tumor. So my oncologist told me it sort of produced keratin because that's what you have on your skin and mine was an epithelial so a surface cancer and it had keratin in it and all the daughter cells had keratin so it needed to buse keratin. And I thought well find something that helps block and keratin is kind of runaway disease like that is kind of I thought was similar to psoriasis but the psoriasis was obviously not malignant, but it was a rapid proliferation of skin cells red and inflamed all of that. So I thought well, I'll look at treatments for that. And that's when I came across the berberine and then it said it had these anti-cancer effects and let it reduce glucose. And it had all of these benefits of anti-inflammatory and I just thought wow. This is this is a biggie and I knew nobody at all and that was in 1999 when I discovered it. No one was taking their brain and now it's just a big thing, you know, since I mentioned it in about 2015, everybody's started taking it even heard about it since I read the book well is until I read the book. Chinese Whispers, but berberine is well. I don't think big Pharma want people to know about burying because it would stop people getting sick quite a lot. Yeah. Well for someone like me for someone like me who's always butting up against type my A1C levels are going higher and I mean pre-diabetes and my dad's type 1 my brother was type to that one type one. I have to watch it. So carefully I was like, I probably should be a during adding berberine into my diet. I would not medical advice. Yeah, but it sounds like someone would psoriasis would too. Yeah, absolutely. And I know a lot of people listening you're probably suffering with that. That's why I wanted to bring it up. Yeah, and it helps with weight loss as well. So it's an all-around win-win. Wow, so ya know it's a really fabulous supplement and it's traditionally been used in Chinese medicine for thousands of years, but they were using it mostly for GI nicastro upsets and it was only by chance that they discover could they were testing these patients with berberine trying to see how it had an effect on the gut. And some of them had diabetes and after they had eaten the glucose levels were normal and they they couldn't work out and then they realized it was the berberine that was having this effect. Wow. So yeah, the other thing I want to ask you about was the similarities and I guess the differences but I'm more excited about the similarities between chemo and high dose vitamin C. Right. Well, they they fit into where I'd call my kill Faith. So starving the cancer stem cell is one way to kill off your cancer. It takes a bit longer. But if you have a fast aggressive cancer, you may want to be adding something just to kill off those fast dividing cells as well. As you know the rest of the cancer as well. So both of those fit into what I would deem as an Overkill. Sighs so you've got starving and then a pulse of kill. All right and chemo is normally a pulse of kill and intravenous vitamin C at a high dose will give you that hydrogen peroxide which produces free radicals that will damage the cancer cells selectively unlike chemo Which is far more of a sort of you know, multi targeted Blunderbuss approach. You will get this more selective cancer. Go with the intravenous vitamin C. So yeah, it's a very effective but it can be expensive and you know, you have to do it for extended period of time really to get the best of eggs or you do it for maybe a week every day or something. Yeah. I mean that would be to me that would be an ideal scenario, but I don't know anybody. Who does that just to really give it a good good hit for a week and then maybe Three weeks off and then do it again and you can add the intravenous vitamin C between there's research to show there's nothing wrong with having your chemo for your two weeks. And then when you have your brake before you then have your next chemo you can in that intervening window. You can just have a top up with some intravenous vitamin C then as well. Yeah boost your immune system and help the detox as well. So it's you know, it's more likely to do much better. If you do that. Yeah and just and then your will be chemo. I want your post-chemo plan. What are the six steps to include and why were they all important? But certainly you need to detox after chemo that is definitely something that you need to do and to work on your immune system is kind of key because that's what's been really trashed. So and you'll go What is completely trashed so that's number three and so you need to be looking at several areas, really and then just working on continuing to start the cancer and actually stimulate new regenerative cells. So you need to rebuild as well as kill. It's kind of a it's always a juggling act actually with cancer the anabolic versus the catabolic. There's a building. Up versus destruction and it's about so finding the combination of things that work to get that middle path without going off too far one way or the other to get the best effect. Yeah, and then chemo fog I hear so many women that come to me and they're like, how do I get rid of the chemo fog? And I don't know what to say other than trying to boost their immune system. I mean, it's it's Such a hard thing to see someone like even my mom the body is moving slower and very lethargic. And so what's your solution to that? Well, I think there's a sort of a clogged up of stuff in the brain as I think part of my protocol with the de predamond and Statin is that it actually opens up the blood Pathways quite effectively. It produces nitric oxide and list of this helps to dilate the vessels little bit and floods the area with more oxygen that's you know, it's a combination not necessarily great for Brain cancers specifically there is a worry with it being an antiplatelet drug the diaper animal that you might get a bleeding. So obviously needs to be checked with doctors and things if you can look at that, but I think there are some there are some interesting drugs around I there's one that I've taken actually which is used in Silicon Valley. It's called Mill donate or meldonium and they use this as a sort of a is called a zoo tropic. Because you taught yes, which is a sort of a way to enhance your cognitive function and they're all popping these pills in in la-la land. Oh, yeah point but it also has potentially an effect on blocking one of the Pathways in cancer, but there's been no proof. It's a very cheap drug that comes from Latvia. Not the easiest thing to get hold of but I have a Latvian friend his mum and I think it did help my brain little bit. Anyway, I you know, that's just something to maybe consider, but generally I think time gradually, you know, defunct the system a little bit but it does help to have a clean diet to have fresh clean water to you know be Breathing cleaner all of those things will help to just do things your body a little bit Yeah. Well the top that you've had I love it Jean we have so much in from I've so many more notes here. I'm sorry. No, I love it. It's amazing. I feel like we're gonna have to do a part 2 if you had some point, are you now like a cancer liaison / guide for people is this what you're doing is helping people on their Ernie I do I do do that. I don't do it with many people because it drains me a little bit. So I I not you know, I'm not available as much as probably people would like I get loads of emails every day and my sisters and I can't take everybody on its it feels it. There's an awful amount of pressure on him right now, which I kind of try and I do try and answer all the emails but it gets really hard. But people can divert to my Facebook group and they can ask questions on there and there's a lot of information out there which I could buy for free and for you know for people to just go and research and there's a research bar. There's a search button on my Facebook group and you can look up your type of cancer. You can look up how other people are doing so you can see the results that other people are getting from following my protocol to go. Very cool. I want to ask you because we ask everybody. How are you getting better in your life every day? It's our last question to everyone like getting better. You know, I'm I've got actually a little bit more less a fair I think because my knowledge is quite wide now and I understand cancer. I would say that my fear is getting less and less and that to me. Is it a great thing because it was right up there at one stage, you know, I didn't want to die and the fact I can kind of just approach each day with a kind of not a devil-may-care us to but wow every second of every day. I was going to looking at something going so wonderful. It's a beautiful I'm probably not going to see it this time next year, you know, it was its it was a awful thing to have this sort of finite timeline imposed on you and to feel that actually that has lifted is an amazing thing. So it's not completely gone. I still feel a slight weight of that sort of Damocles hanging over my head, but it's not really present in anything like the amount that it was before you meditate or anything. I used to meditate three times a day. I don't do it so often but I do and I try and I try to keep my you know, I think actually knowledge is one of the things that I really liked and I keep wanting to learn something everyday I think to me learning and growing is really important, you know, and I feel that is a key factor of where I am right now. Thank you so much. Okay pleasure. All right guys, what have we learned? There are so many names of things that I need to research because it seems like Miracle work. But mainly that I just love the holistic health approach something. She said that really hit me was it's not just about curing like the tumor. It's the whole body is out of sync if that's what's happening. And I think oftentimes were trained to be like, oh we have a Scratch like let's just focus on that or whatever it may be but it's really getting the whole like everything works as one. So your food your exercise your meditation your mindset all those things play into how you're curing years healing yourself and then also the research I just love her her methods with research. I think it's easy cheese intense. I made me like feel so lame that I hadn't done enough. It's like, I mean you can't Kept up pretty well Maria, I would say yeah, but I did not do the level of research. She did I think my brain would have exploded. I mean, I've read all of these medical journals. I really do I do my best but my point is I mean she went to the level of okay this pathway we need to block and the I don't know any of those Pathways. I used my gut and my intuition and it served me really well, but and I, you know obviously will read books like this. Us and apply things that I feel instinctively would be helpful. So I use a different kind of I use the force. I'm curious if you called it the holistic approach but I didn't feel like there was much holistic in this this was dieting of course, but then it was like a lot of drugs a lot of different drugs. What I thought was the most interesting for me. Is that like for me if you want to kill a roach you put a cinder block on it. Oh my God, so I well I'm saying like I'm saying like There's no question that that is going to be killed. So her the approach that a lot of doctors have is the same is you don't want the cancer to return you want to throw a cinder block on that road. You want to blast it out that roaches next to like other like important organs that you're just next to your gold Rolex and possibly the keys to your car. Yeah and your brain, but it was interesting to hear that her take is instead of just blowing up Switzerland. It's like you you you go at it. From different approaches to completely starve it from everything it needs and you attack it with you poison. It cut it off from food. It's like you're torturing the cancer to death instead of just like hitting it with one poison. Hope it takes it out which I thought was pretty interesting because it's kind of like a strategic approach. Yeah as opposed to just let's use a hammer on an egg. Yeah. Well, she's much more scientific. I think that's why you are so drawn to it. I also think that our definition of holistic is so wrong in life and it's funny my partner in this health show that we're doing I was the one who said this. She's like holistic doesn't have to mean like Fruity to you just vitamins and whatever it says holistic. Let's look at the whole picture. I pulled up the definition. Thank you. It's the characterized by the comprehension of the parts of something that they're all interconnected and inexplicably intertwined with one another. So what I mean holistic and I'm sure we're on the same page right now. I mean like your Getting after everything yet because we are one moving body and everything is affecting everything. Yeah, but I think I had a bad definition of it prior to yeah not I'm not that I didn't believe in it. I mean that we were over here and they were over there right like like they were missing something which they are missing something in a sense. We know that there's a large chunk that's missing from the medical community what they're doing is great, but they need to fortify the body as well. So I looked at holistic a little differently and then My partner is like Maria. It means looking at the whole picture and that's the problem with the medical community. They're just looking at that brain tumor. They're not looking at everything else around to see what could be contributing to this what you know, what else could be going on that we need to deal with anyway, go ahead Stephen. Well, I'm just curious because this is come out. This is the second time. We've dealt with words and a dictionary and it's no boy. It's 2019 where words that used to mean something have new definitions and holistic has a So science definition, it is not a word that you hear and you think scientific so why does why does the community of people who prescribe to this but also apply Western medicine and subscribe to the literal definition not create a new term for it because if somebody walks into my office or wherever I am and I'm saying I'm sick and they're like, well, let's take a holistic approach. I'm like, you're fired. I'm going to a doctor. Yeah so long as you're thinking it's just going to be Fruity Tooty exactly. So this is the same with like the energies things like where it's like people talk about energy, but what they really mean is like the different things that are affecting people and I'm just wondering like why don't we we should create the new word for this because holistic doesn't cut it I like it. So why don't we have a little lunch session somewhere and we come up with the new word. I think we should we're better together guys. The three of us will just put our heads together. Actually Kevin's really good with titles were alone by Kevin to we practice Improvement medicine. Yes. Improvement medicine. Okay takes from everything that's one one idea one idea will look at this, but I think it's I think it's really important and and I just I just love the way she she attacked it and I love that. She's sharing all of it with everyone. Yeah, she's a badass. Yeah. So anyhow, I hope it was helpful to you guys. Thank you for joining us as always right here on Better Together help us by rating commenting subscribing, please. Please we love hearing from you. As I tell you every week it lights up my day when I see your comments. So thank you so much. 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