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You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now let them go. At the buzz. Yeah, the challenge for the world episode 7 tonight. It's called This Means War. We got three people on our panel. We're going to dive right into this episode. My name is Jenna bussiere. I'm joined. I'm going to start over here. Wow, because dprs out but we have our resident leather jacket where you have no fear. Dan has stepped up. So David were the leather. It I went to his house today to pick up his leather jacket and wear today. No just kidding. But yes, I'm here Daniels here. Hi, right Pam. How are you? Hi, I'm good. I'm glad that you're passing the leather jacket or yes for this week and I'm really excited to talk about this episode because there's a great deal to dive in it really is great episode all around really love the elimination the challenge this week was a lot different than anything we've seen before we have conflicting opinions on that. So we're going to get all into the daily challenge as well as the elimination. Josh and Amanda getting thrown into elimination finally shock or not. So shocking is that they get sent home shocker is that this entire time? Josh has been a love with Amanda or this is just new a sexually frustrated thing. Don't worry. We're gonna get into that do not fear as well. As this fight between Cam and Josh and all this other drama and politics going on in the house were obviously seeing a lot of UK vs USA going on. So we're going to get into all that before we jump in overall thoughts guys. What do you think about episode 7? Okay, I really liked the Innovative nature of this challenge that will talk about I was so glad to see Amanda and Josh go home by and so happy for Cameron - because I really like Kim and this I liked the compelling argument compelling argument. I know we all have different it's different opinions Make the World Go Round we can get into that but I'd love again as you've mentioned time and time again the structure of this season overall they are Doing it, right? It's so good to have a challenge a drunk night and then an elimination keep it keep it coming. I just wish the producers do a little better job of for shot or not. Foreshadowing who's going home. We didn't have any real story lines for Josh and Amanda. They were just kind of there all season whatever and then they put them right in the beginning and just talk talk talk. They give him some type of relationship where he's like in love with her now guys. Thank you for letting me know before the episode ended that Josh and Amanda were going home. Thanks producers. Wait. And the whole time we're going home. I got scared because when they the foreshadowing when cam Theo were talking he was like if you went home I might cry a little I was like see you to go home take that scared me that she was going to go home and tear they got you with the red herring a little bit. Yes for it. I disagree. I understand where you're coming from where you felt the foreshadowing because it felt like this Josh and Amanda storyline might be pushed, but I think everything that we're seeing actually happened. It was just the editor. Or the producers chose to show it at this to show what extent of it. They wanted to I actually found the storyline kind of comical. I kind of liked that we saw this side of Josh and Amanda its kind of ringing Amanda down a little bit that she's able to joke back with him Pam found it a little bit creepy that he can't I took this all in good fun. I don't think Josh ever really stepped over the line. I think it was funny flirtation. He obviously knew that Amanda wasn't into him as well. I don't think he was being pushy or forceful or overly creepy. I actually really enjoyed this fuck this. Storyline and I found it a starter goal. And that's Josh and Amanda had this weird like or Josh had this sexual frustration or tension for Amanda that we should have a crush. That's what I didn't think it was like crossing a line and I just thought it was because you said before while you're like, this is so creepy. Well up. The reason I think what Shing it I thought it was weird and creepy and super immature. I think for once liking Amanda. She was like, he's just very young, you know, it reminded me of that kid and like on the bus in high school. That's like what it was. - no, I don't want a massage weirdo that's using like innocent flirting to sort of be creepy. I mean so alright. Yeah. I just thought it was like I thought Amanda was actually being kind of nice and like she realizes not going to do anything which actually realized that Josh is harmless and he just has a crush on her and it's just not gonna work out. So I actually thought their relationship was kind of cute tonight. That's a to and he jumps to her defense later in the episode, but in disagreement with you, I don't think it ever gets. Far where it's I'm not I'm not saying like I don't even get creepy Vibes at all and I'm pretty susceptible to getting creepy vibes from people or thinking that things are toe over the line, but I thought that this was all more strange than creepy and crazed fan like you are you kidding me. Like I wasn't offended for her. I just felt like you could yeah stop or crunchy creepy. Yeah, that's a good way to put it I actually will get into this later, but just to preface it. I was actually disappointed by tonight's elimination results, which is funny and contradictory to my previous thoughts about the season and about Josh and Amanda because even on previous episodes here, I've said they stink ready to get them out who even cares but I have to say I was pulling for them in the end. So we'll get into that when it comes down to the elimination. Yeah, I do think that Wes might be building getting himself into a deep hole this year with this UK lines. They keep coming back hot and strong and I think he this might not be west of season Nani had a really good. Point with her not he was trying to unite all the Vets all the USA people against the Brits which is true. They have been picking each other off. All their old drama is coming into play and biting them in the butts. Right especially because you know, they are picking each other off. Yeah. I love you said that we're going to get into that in just a second. So then let's dive into the episode. Let's start from the beginning Baron Dave on comeback bears being his chest, but he's just making the UK. Line stronger which brings us to your point as well as what we see in the opening scene is all the USA veterans are sitting together saying they're plucking us off one by one because the UK people are strong their friends and they have an alliance. They have each other's back and I get 190 saying is let's just hash all of all our Old Wounds as us competitors and Veterans so that we can have her own separate alliance, but I'm trying to pose that question to you guys. If you're somebody who's been on this season four seasons and seasons and seasons. You throw away your Vendetta's and your rivalries with all of these USA competitors for the sake of teaming up against another country's Alliance or do you say no I'm just never going to like this person. I don't care what country they're from. I don't care if they're newer old. They're still my rivalry and I'm going to stick to that. That's a great question. I think there's a time and a place looking back now and I know hindsight's 20/20 bananas CT. I mean all those people that left. I don't think it was their time necessarily. Although it doesn't really upset the people that wanted them gone. So I think your Vendetta's are your Vendetta's and it doesn't matter and the time to get really strategic hasn't happened yet when you have to start turning on your own. So at this point, you know it although a lot of the really good people have a UK member on their team like Hunter in Georgia. So they are car has Bo who else has a to me? It's they're all kind of mixed together because you can say hunter in Georgia, but isn't Hunter. You can see with the west but then George is with the UK. So you're blending a lot of different alliances and vendettas together and like you can start with Dave on tonight. She had an issue with you know, she wanted one side but then she also wanted and she started crying. I mean she really did not want to put Polly. Well, why did but you see the USA competitors very conflicted and their emotions are in it, right, but you cave competitors is not the same for them there. I mean their emotions are in it for each other for the UK Lions, but when it comes to the game as a grand scheme of things, I feel like They it's been panning out that they're getting their way and they're getting power and the house. So that's the question. How did they come to a final decision that bear got to choose it over Devon? How did because we don't really see it cuts to commercial they come back. Yeah. Think about it. Just that's what happened. Yeah, but if she always says no no, no, she must have she had eventually say, okay put do that. Right? Like what did the producers who stepped in there? We'll never know. Like what happened is she finally just say yes because I don't show her say OK fine get your way bear. We need came back and he says I It my way, but we don't know how he got his way. Yeah, that's interesting to me. So that's no conspiracy. Just I have no idea how yeah, we got it. I know gets hurt. I think that that's how they were all feeling. They all got back into the house and they immediately saw Leroy and shaylene to Americans one vet leave and then think rap there's another like All-American team out when we have all these strong UK teams in but it does get blurry with there being so many Partnerships of a UK and the USA competitor. So yeah II do want to back to what damn Was saying I really do want the inside scoop on how he overtook her. Was it a situation where they said you guys need to decide in two seconds or go. I mean was it exactly? I don't know why they didn't show us what happened, but she also seems like one of those people with bear where there's just how much talking to a brick wall. Can you do and Devon as badass as she is who she seems she also seems level-headed enough to just be like Fine, whatever. You're really just gonna fight me to the death on that's Holly's a good Ally for her to have and to ruin that because bear just was louder seems weird. I don't like how do you fight? Somebody like that? That's my only thing, you know, like I time and time again. He's a I don't know but he's gonna screw you. He's gonna do whatever it's gonna do backflips cartwheel with all that said though. I don't mind bear going after the what is clearly what I think is the strongest team in the game. Mmmmm. He's like, let's get him out. Now. Why do we want to keep dealing with them? And yeah, they can come back and go after him but as we've seen even when these teams come back, it doesn't mean they're gonna the stars are all going to align and then Paul he's going to be able to eliminate bear that next week. You know what I mean? Like at Bear wins every week. Holy cannot eliminate, right? But if Polly is constantly winning and now he's gunning for them. That is not good news for them and thus far he's just a lot better than the parent Davon Cole. He's got Kyle already that he's A gun for now. He's got bear me. He can't Pi he only pick one team every week. Right and it's bear thinking that I mean, I don't bear doesn't think that much it was if we don't - okay, then I agree. Yeah, I think he does think more than we think he does. Is he thinking well poly already has his robbery with Kyle. Yeah. I can give him one too. But he's got only choose one of us. Hang on I'm saying I don't think it's the wrong move. I do think again. It's too early at this point. There's enough time left that Devon is a big brother person. She's only have one season she It have a lot of allies having poly have her back is really the only a Marilyn died for her consistently win. So exactly I was with you at first an when bear was bringing to the table during the tribunal discussion. I said, you know, if you really is a point want to go for the biggest people that are getting in the tribunal week after week try to take them out before they just get power every single week and they make more of their of their rule over the game, but there is the risk of Polly coming back and also Polly made a great point if Vaughn's partner and Avon and Paulie are great friends and they both know for a fact that they're never going to vote each other in your always attached to that meaning bear is always attached to Polly's power and you're not on Polly's radar yet. Kyle is so why put yourself? All right, but we Feelin real good after his last win against Leroy and yeah, she leaned and we know Bears his gimmick, we know his role and I don't even know if he's playing it up for cameras at this point a lot of commenters. Shout out in our video last week said that this is just bare. So if he is the reality TV star then this is what he does. So she's not even playing it up. This is just his personality to be like she's fixing the roof. Is he the most entertaining new person on the show this season and the answer for me is yes far away. I who do you think was entertaining person? He is bad nice accent. Yes. No, I think I agree with I feel like he's a bully and he's loud and obnoxious. He's kind of entertaining but he also I don't love that personality. That's just like he's over the top crazy so you can't take a man seriously, but he also bulldozed Avon and ruined her game and he quit and he I mean, they're still in the game very interesting and I feel bad for her having her as a partner. He's taking a good competitor, but I like people that play for real to not that he's not playing I think he's doing drag that thing across the sand last week, but he said things tonight which again Start funny but it's like I'm always right me decisions is always right and no one you don't really believe that and it's hard to say. So you say that and then you have Cam say that she's like the best ever and she's killer cam right but you never say she's the best ever and ever. He was very cocky tonight. And I'm so we can't go with that. I do to say about bear though. I feel like he's actually the Joker not in fact that he's a jokester and what he's doing is jokey, but he reminds Me of did you see the newest version of The Joker and Suicide Squad played by Jared Leto? He reminds me of that to a tee. Like just is that good stuff the way that that's I guess what started subconsciously but it's also like his outfit. So, you know how the Joker and Suicide Squad which is very flashy. He was like like the rap Joker or like many the gang leader Joker in this Last Suicide Squad. I feel like bears like the Hawaiian shirt version of that sort of Joker where he's just very Like malicious and like laughing in the corner. Anyway, that's we're done with their ha ha. Let's move off of him. But so let's get into the daily challenge, which is called eye in the sky before we do we gotta give a good quick shout-out to AfterBuzz TV Nation. Thank you guys for everything you do. Damn. What's up? Hey everybody. We just want to thank you for making us the ESPN of TD talk if you're watching us right now, you should subscribe and if not to us subscribe to all of someone else. So it's more of our shows that would be great. And you know, you can also leave us a comment in the comment. Section or hop on iTunes give us a five star rating, you know AfterBuzz means a lot to all of us. So, you know, we would really appreciate if you guys would join in and join the fun. Thanks guys. That's right mom because the ESPN of talk TV, we love talk about the challenge. Let's get into the challenge of the day. It was called Eye in the Sky. Would you guys think we had a lot of did we will have differing opinions a VTR goggles. We had blindfolded. Yeah, so This is a new step for what we've seen in the challenge so far for daily challenges. I thought it was terrifying if you really thought about being up there and not being able to see your being relying on someone else to see and then it kind of quickly became obvious that there was a real big advantage to the people that went after I thought I don't know if that's fair or not. But the first couple of teams all didn't make it and then the rest shy of a few made it I think once you've figured out it was a really just two straight lines. It looks Much more intimidating and scary to begin with when you can't see but once you can see people doing it, it's like you're just going and it's kind of a now where are you? Yeah. Laughs yeah, but I thought it was neat. We have never seen anything like that. It seemed terrifying to me. I wouldn't want to do it and it was about communication. So that was interesting. I liked it. I thought it was engaging I like that as a new twist. They're trying something new but Danny thought it was boring. I just thought it was a communication challenge. I've seen better communication challenges than this one. The it's very I could see you being there. It's very disorienting because Looking through someone else's eyes and if they're doing this, you can't just focus, but all they had to do keep your head down and don't move because they're blindfolded with with with and then they just have the little camera on top. If they just look down the whole time do not move that other person could just tell them where to go and and it's a slow communication challenge. I like some of the other ones where they're a little more intense and running and chained together and communication that way I just thought it was I would be scared doing it. I'm not denying that but I just thought it was a little slow. Slow pace for me. Why is it wasn't the most to know? I guess that's what bothered me about it. Yeah, that's all but have you ever it is human nature to like what you're saying is that you should just keep your head down and your instincts are all to like but like Jenna said they got better at it as or did you say that as I went on each team got better at realizing. Hey, just don't move your body keep the camera in one space so I can look yeah just baby steps. Yeah steps was the theme so like you said, Going first Kyle and Maddie fell right off and then Josh and Amanda quickly after and I love that Josh and Amanda after like we both fell. Yeah we both. Well we both did it together. I'm like, yeah you both suck. We know we did it together. We pull who felt but then we have Polly and Natalie go next and speaking about cocky. We call dashing cam on the cocky side just now ninja Natalie. Yeah, but up there. I was like these uncoordinated bitchy called a big fall like that. Them and I want to say like dang she's cocky, but I guess it's just kind of a mechanism to pump yourself up like get yourself ready because you can go into it two ways right into different headspace has you could be scared and nervous and talking yourself out of it. Just like I am every time I do this cold open where I freak out or you can go in and relax and call everybody else bitches and it just makes it easier for you. But the You could argue that that was very cocky. Oh, yeah, I it bothered me right away when she said it plus. I'm not a big Polly guy. So when they won no, What did you guys think of bear? You're trying to distract him from down below? I liked it. Why not? She why not use that and I love that the game she gave it back to barely. Yeah bear must have known they were gonna give it right back to him. Right? I mean, I mean, it's right. It was all fun. It's all fun. People do that all the time. They yell different colors different numbers up there. If there was anybody else besides Polly up there. I don't think car would be getting quite upset. By the way. There is Cocky by the way. I think he's a clown. It's like everything's a joke, you know, which is Fine again, it is fine and it is entertaining. It's just you quit you do things that it's not to me. It's like I don't necessarily think his hearts in it when it's more just to cause a stir and I don't know bear is pretty damn cocky after I mean, yeah, but whatever is cocky, but it's also nonsense. It's not he's you know, the things he says like you're not fit to tie my shoes like those aren't I don't think that's really he's just blustering. Yeah. I don't even think that we were on bear being cocky we but she jumped in Ninja was cocky and I'm saying in the cocky defense because I wasn't saying he was talking earlier. I was able to show Ridiculous cocky. Anyway, Polly and Natalie finished very quickly. Turbo Nani. Just thank God for them. I love them so much who would think that they'd be the comic relief every time I hear turbo speak. It just makes me love him more. Like does he ever know what's actually going on so sweet does he know because now he's communicating yelling, which is okay. Okay, do not fret do not fret they really are. Okay mom and son Sun because the way like she speaks to him will be in kind of like an hysterical yelling Manner and he will just accept everything is like the disciplined child the son of ngati everything he does is for his woman is for his Nani and I swear he just wanted to like like strapped her onto his back of the backpack and just walk like she was trying she was supposed to be the director of where to walk. She wasn't seeing anything with the way this dude was looking his camera was everywhere. I swear he would have just put her on his back and be like we are going forth my way. I need you to the Finish Line my love the end. He was like are you really proud of that was just this anything that moves by it's gonna say that because it's the mom son Dynamic always make me proud. I let me know. It's really adorable. The other comic relief moment for me was just bear walking. I saw he was walking as if he was on like some very strong drugs. I know that he was blindfolded. I felt like he just popped an edible. Do you do not see like his baby steps and his It's hurt his arms around front of him. Like little T-Rex Frankenstein arms. I thought it was hysterical Energizer Bunny such a situation and I thought yeah, he killed it and that's because he was he was walking swiftly on those beams do a lot of people pointed out. Yeah. That was their first tribe to win into the tribunal. Yeah, Davon and bear. Okay. Yeah and every other takeaways for you guys any other competitors that surprise you that you like George's ride or die because she was yelling up to bear like don't list just listen to me back goes Straight that was gravel of Georgia. That was nice. I don't know Jenna called her team silent, but deadly her and Gus. I like that they got in I was happy that they finally won one. Yeah because they perform very well great communication. I actually agree with John. I think they are silent. But deadly they've always kind of been in the the behind the scenes they were very close to winning last week, but the whole tire Challenge and they jump to the Finish Line. I like the way that they fit everyone. Not talking anything about Weston West Indies again another another big win for them. Great one. Yeah, even in you said that it's not as year and yet they keep winning competitively. So let me clarify. I think competitive competitively Wes is great. He always has been and I think Diaz is partner is great. They're great match for all the athletic competitions and eliminations dalli dalli dalli challenges and ever but as far as politics go, I think that he jumped the gun very early. But West knows a lot more about politics in this game than I do. But the way he started off the season very hot bringing in certain people into his click and now it's not really panning out for him. So Hunters of Georgia and West was trying to get a hunter on his team from the beginning and now I think Georgia being so close to UK is not going to back down and Hunter might submit to that. It seems like maybe Georgia might have a little bit more control in the relationship. I'm abortion. I'm more concerned that D apparently doesn't know how to swim and we find that a preview that might be bad. No idea. That's it. A huge disadvantage. He rubs Ash and can the wrong way and they're very Cocky and Confident and are doing well. So I think he's just kind of rubbing a lot of the good people in this game the wrong way and they know they like think he's a weasel and a snake like they're kind of onto his politics. So I think that he's kind of digging himself deeper. He kind of did the action camping as a throwaway vote and but it rub them. Anyway, they got pissed that's my point and it didn't work out that way. So wesen that regard kind of made a bad move there. But I mean he had to pick sickness to put somebody right that's part of the job. They're so so the Is of the daily challenge our West and D Gus and Jenna Bear and Devon and are you noticing that every time there's a daily challenge TJ's always saying the winners are in no particular order is that piss you guys off to I wanna know what the real order to like. How much did they win by I agree? So weird to me. I guess it doesn't technically matter for the game. So they figured they'd leave it out. But why not put more why not? Tell them the scores of people can really be extra cautious. Cocky yeah, because there's no there's not enough Cockiness on the show yet. So let's yeah, so we go into tribunal we see who everybody is voting in West and G. They go Cam and Ashley burn that we just brought up. Yeah Gus and Jenna are gonna go Amanda Josh which by the way it to me, they're just doing because of the weakest team they're not doing because it helps their game. I don't Jenna's like oh, yeah, I have this thing with many. Yeah. Okay you fight with Amanda. But yeah, what if Zack was there what exact was around who exact have like said, hey, let's talk about this say Zach's not in the tribunal say he's just D lost even when I don't think he would have been like don't waste your Lee Juck Zach is always about leaving the one-week team as a kind of a layup team just to have till the all the way to the end. So I think Zach could have maybe convince Jenna to throw in Cara or throw in anybody else really but Zach has an issue with cars. That's why I'm bringing that up there. I think you're right in terms of she would be very open to Zach pushing her one way or another who should vote and I think gossip kind of follow suit because it's his first season and you're gonna go with the vet but what you're saying, I understand that maybe they thought that they were easier to Team, but if it works in Jenna's favor of Jenna and Amanda are already enemies why not just say their name because she's not rubbing anybody else wrong why throw someone into the fire and get them pissed off at you? If you don't need to know exactly I agree at this point. You have a vendetta you have someone you don't like and they eat that but but she really real I mean, yeah, but she really pushed it like, oh, I hate a man. I think that the main reason is because it's all the weak team did not hurt that decision. That's all my point much hate Samantha. Yeah, of course. I mean yeah. All right. Yeah. Yes - that was funny that Amanda went up there and tried to straighten things out at the bar. I was like, yeah. Okay, man. It was lame so lame and then we see Devon and bear which you've already kind of hash out some think we need to go back into it, but Dave on wants to throw in nany and turbo as a burned vote, but bear gets his way that little drama King and it's going to be a poly and ninja Natalie that are going up. So we see everybody's reactions Polly's kind of offended because of me turn to know why But I'm the best in the game who would dare come for me. I don't know what's up with these accents and it's very subjective ask as well. But D is a homemade eval just for Dave. Allen says know she was in there hysterically crying but Polly still not going to turn back in and says well guess what now going forward. I'll never hesitate to say your name and it sucks for table. It does. 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They we see them get pissed off and I'm wondering what you brought up before so Wes originally pick them as a burned vote. Why not? Tell them during the interrogation. I think that's edit and drama I didn't tell them but they have to make it the way that they set up that Tribunal. Each person sort of had a fight with the team that they nominated. Yeah. So I feel like it was like Don a little bit. Okay, maybe it got genuinely heated because of that but I don't I don't think that there was any real animosity prior to that between them. Okay. So let's go into this going out moment the house. Yeah coupled up at this point. So naughty and Hunter are a full-blown thing as of right now. Yeah, Josh still love with a man. De and then this fight breaks out that go back to the house after everybody's all liquored up and drunk. And do you guys remember how this started? Oh, okay. So Amanda goes up to Jenna at the bar. Right? And she's politicking. God forbid, right? This is my point. Yeah. I'm not an Amanda Defender. I know that she has her fair share of being toxic and being ridiculous in the house, but guess what? She's trying to save her ass. Wow. This is what people have been doing since the first episode ever of the challenge. She doesn't want to go in Elimination or go home yet. God forbid. She goes to Jenna and try to Hash things out. It was an OnPoint. That's what's so stupid to the point where I wonder if they had this night before they had the vote and they just cut it differently to us because Amanda is politicking to Jenna to put Cara and Theo in and it's past that point the nominations have already been made. They've already voted for them. There's nothing it's the O's not you think Pam going forward for the for the elimination of they still get a vote now they can Their votes they just put a name in anybody making the six people in the tribunal can pick anyone they want next but not out of people that haven't been nominated, right? No, she's hot. But that's why I can't that's why in theory Ash was so mad because he wanted him. So Amanda is just ash was on the Block absolutely saying going forward. This is what you could have done. You could have gone you could have voted for a car and Theo because that's what your boyfriend Zack would have wanted, which I thought actually was a smart move to try and use her boyfriend as leverage because Jenna is kind of easily. So when you buy your boyfriend, but I think that she listens that and especially naughty I think nany being over there to saying we need to work together as USA Veterans as USA competitors. Nani her best friend and kind of her her someone who sees her through things her voice of reason heard her voice of reason her support system being on a man decide. I thought was a great call and Amanda's favor for to try and get Jenna just not to vote for Amanda Josh and for Jenna to vote for somebody dealing in the UK lines like maybe Paulie or a ninja or Cam and Ashley because they're UK Affiliated. Once again, I thought man his obsession with Cara her tennis choices were Amanda and Josh Ash and Camera, Paulie. And ninja there was no car and Theo and at this point she was understood she was saying that's what Zach wanted. That's why she brought them up. Here's here's the whole point though. Ash gets insanely upset and screaming and mad like to me. He's like, he's gone too many steroids. I don't know but he's he's over realities way overreacting and then causes this ridiculous fight with with Josh. Let me take the other side of that. That's fine. Amanda's running around trying to destroy running around. He had a conversation. Going to borrow somebody running around the set up for for Josh and Ash fighting was that Amanda is politicking not just with Jenna and car and Theo but saying let's take down the UK aligned in theory. We never see any of this. We don't but I don't do not believe it. Do I not believe Ash? I don't know. How from a hole in the wall then Ash and Josh are fighting it Amanda sitting there saying he's do fighting for what's right, which is defendant. I think it was the only maybe alcohols involved obviously, but who else is Josh supposed to fight for there's that lady he is fighting for what's right for him to stay in the game. He has to he well, who else can you find our fight with anyone right there? It's not Ash was attacking Amanda. What was Josh supposed to do? Yup, go? I'm it have fun with that 500 pound may agree that I think that Ash unnecessarily called Amanda a bitch and kind of was attacking her because he thinks that she's a weaker person. I don't know if he would have actually I don't know. I just got a crazy. You probably wouldn't done it. Wes or a poly if it was one of them who had said that but in Amanda's defense all she was trying to do was just trying to get out of the way. I'm looking at it the whole way times. Everybody has done this how many times I don't think she really well. I don't think what she did warranted like a crazy drunk guy with tree trunk thighs like going at her yelling at her calling a bit. But how does he fit his thighs into jeans? They got those extra stretchy jeans now, he's he's rocking those for show. I thought two things. I was like, how does Ashley get his legs into jeans and to Josh really wants to get laid. But Amanda I think he is a knight in shining armor coming over trying to defend her even though really workin tonight and guys we got our favorite line is it's a panel we're cracking up about this for five minutes or the show and then like 10 minutes after the show Josh. I feel like the editing of this fight was so poorly done. They were just trying to make it seem worse than it was and they mash it all together. But Josh is crying. He's like homework for everything even close my clothes every clothes every clothes for everything every closed everything. That was that was everything everybody every closed. That's all and that's it every close as he was through well and the reason he's and the reason he's saying that it's because he has no shirt on and the reason he's saying that is every bit he has to work for - apparently through his trainers his shoe or something. So he's mad that Ash is touching his stuff. So he's saying, you know, don't touch don't let him touch my he's telling the producers in the security. Don't let him touch my stuff because I've worked for everything every closed and I don't want you. I don't want a shreking them. I miss that entirely and so and Jenna did to cause I brought it up and I was like, no one saw that but me okay, he touches stuff did not he touched his stuff tell us at home. If you think that Ash touch Josh's every clothes is a great fabric every closes a great line. And that fight was ridiculous apples. So let's then get into the elimination. They are emanation. It's one word Jenna 11 a junction. Okay, so we get to the voting Bears going to go Polly and Natalie shucker Davon though. She goes, you know what? I'm not gonna sit with my partner. I'm not even going to go Josh and Amanda. She puts Josh and Amanda over her girl Cam and she votes Cam and Ashley people saw that as kind of a wild turn. Well Donna and Gus are staying true to their original vote and they're going to go Josh and Amanda even though I thought maybe she might switch it up here and maybe she will go somebody else. So it is Josh and Amanda that get thrown in and they decide to go big. What do you think about the decision to pick Ashley and Kim? Well anyone's big compared to them. They're the lowest on the totem pole. So they say go big it's just like not choose anybody because they are the worst. I'm surprised because I thought they were a hundred percent going to go Cara and Theo just because that's why Mom and has been yelling about since Finally got her second to get to pick car. And Theo what she's telling Jenna to do. Why didn't she do it? I thought I thought they would definitely going to choose cam because they had that wonderful fight that they snip together somehow to make it look like they were mad. I was like, they just had a fight with Cameron - so I mean, it makes sense that they picked camera - but again anywhere and when they picked was pretty much better than that, right did you do I didn't give him a chance at all, by the way, I was like it. Did you guys give them Josh and Josh and I I had a chance at all. I actually did when I saw what the game was going to be. Oh, really? I said when we saw the preview I was like, you know what? Okay, I'll refrain maybe I didn't give them a chance as to what I'm alluding to but I did think it was it an equal playing field. I thought it was doable for either team. I'm like, hey, you know what? This doesn't seem like all completely out balanced and favor actually, but this is why I got disappointed and it's not that I don't like Hammer Ashley. I think they're force to be reckoned with but Josh and Amanda were really impressing me and they've caught. Companies like to lovable goof balls like in this hate to love him just one episode. They really do it for me to write they had a glow up in this one episode twenty Drinkin the Kool-Aid it was one episode, but I was into them and Josh as full X of all man. He just deserves that he flat out one side to the other side stretch the length of the entire body went into a full ballerina split and I said, you know what? I really hope he gets this because he's trying his hardest right now. He is stretching every limited body and I'm Rooting for him another funny Josh that would talk about packing like this like Josh is getting sick and they did it did seem I would have written them off right away, but it seemed like that that strategy that they had to just Josh straddle it up was good until he physically couldn't strong enough you guys. Do you guys know why he couldn't do it anymore besides and being tired. It was getting wider as it went up. That's correct. So that was the issue that he was having end. But how can you first see something like that? I almost have been blamed. Exactly. Here's the key to this game is what they didn't realize once they were up there was you have to actually push against each other to because the Gap gets wider. They have to make a wider Gap themselves, but you see Josh's size and you see Amanda sighs. She's so much smaller at least hamantash were more. They're more built a little bit wider so they can you know use each other to help each other all the way up and that whole if you guys notice on camps face, she is scared that whole time she's looking up at them saying Oh and they showed her multiple times looking at them like feeling Defeated about you. Holy crap focus on your uncle. Don't look at anybody else what I'm saying don't you don't want I agree. It's hard not to but that's not helping yourself and being a Killa Cam. It's could be concerned about how other people are and and call me crazy. But Cameron - one of the technicality so they should have been seen. Let me say they shouldn't Ash. I don't know why they didn't say this before hand. Why can't Amanda and Josh try again? Why can't they usually when you fall you're allowed to go back there? They were like Oh, no, you're done. We're just going to have a whoever you can get past there. Well conspiracy here. It's like okay so they can literally stay up there for five hours now and slowly but surely instead of trying to get to the top first that doesn't seem fair to me. It's all the same. It's like d queuing in an elimination never be human eliminations though. That's a challenge of the human Okay daily challenge. All SharePoint was explained FairPoint brace debate. Also right embrace me. I don't know my Counterpoint point counter point is that it might have literally they edited it for our viewing pleasure. Maybe it might have really literally taken. A long time to get there and there was no realistic way but I guess my point is once you know that once you know that other teams out you're playing the game a lot differently, you're playing that illumination a lot differently you're taking your time and Counting every step that you make versus when you're going against somebody you're feeling more rushed and Josh and Amanda obviously felt more rush because they just want to finish it off. I don't know. But I don't think I will call you crazy because I don't think it was a technicality. I think it up kind of crazy Josh just like straddle. His monkey straddled is way up there. And then as soon as he couldn't do that anymore, they lost they didn't have any teamwork which was the theme of this and Cam and Ashton a slow and steady wins the race. I mean like they did it I do care but I do think that they gave up so in the beginning I do think the way the pace that they were going at how slow they were going at. It kind of looked like they were defeated in their face. Has and they did I think he will figure it out it took. I mean it took a minute to get the Rhythm. Hmm But once they did and whatever the other teams split on down and they'll all alone on the great illumination admit. I will admit for the record. I didn't hate I mean I still did not like Amanda but she did get a glow up this one. She was she was this live chats interesting right now TJ said wrote Josh and Amanda were told they couldn't go back to back. Look at Twitter. Yeah, but I was gonna bring it up on a special segment. That's great. But hold on if they were told they can't go back to back. I saw Kim and Asher going back to back boy. Yes. Great. What can you do? That's what I'm saying popular special say they were told they can't go back to back. We see Ash and Kim clearly go back to Becca watch the footage. How else would you do it? I don't know but that's the conspiracy. That's a conspiracy. There you go. Get into it. Go. Here we go. Let's go our special segment. What did we do? Okay, so bring up could you bring up your Amanda? So our special segment we're going to go through some of the tweets from tonight on know you to we didn't I know you like it. So I'll start where we left off them before you get into Ashley I or sorry Amanda I have from Josh and I actually caught this thank you. Shout out to Ace fights MTV on Instagram. Thanks for that tag. So Josh tweeted out. He said I was told I couldn't go back to back in the beginning. That's cool. Because the challenge Twitter account tweeted out a picture of Cam and Ashley back to back saying they going back to back like the Drake song. I guess Mana back back to spiritually Corner producers realized you can't win this game unless you go back to back like I guess we'll let allow kamenashi do it after the other team already felt we need someone to win or maybe they both fell they had to keep doing this over and over and over again more conspiracies. They were like, we're done someone just got to win because they didn't go back to back until Josh and Amanda fo try going back to back. They boned It Up by losing their metal slid out of the thing because it was uneven it's not that they you are really you're just fighting for Kim right now. Let's hold think they are the worst competitors in the entire not tonight. They had that game because Josh is crazy and her just them someone apparently I'm dead Josh played by the rules. That's why I made up those rules. I don't think MTV really said that to them because clearly you are allowed to go back to back. After campaign or conspiracies cams there sweetheart. They gotta have her last longer. I can't lose campus early only cams allowed to go back to back right after this vulgarity. It's just True Amanda form wrote Gus and Jen are at the losers if Zack were there or I wait I if Zack were there I guarantee Jen would assert the fart at A Cow's Ass and said her name fake AFL AA. I hope they leave next that'll show them. What a dumb decision. That was. Oh no, he's a oh, no, he didn't. Person, yeah, - losers Twitter will never disappoint after these episodes man. So we'll just let well, I'm sure they'll be many more on. No you twit. It's good to come I saying this correctly yet. Well, we have a little bit of time. Let's go quickly to news and gossip news and gossip also shout-out to a sites MTV keeping me in the loop, but it's yeah she sent me a clip. On her Instagram page it's like 10 seconds long you have the time for it. It is Nani and D fighting on the bus. They're wearing the same outfits. They wore tonight. I can recognize that camo Army shirt that nany nany hooked up with hunter in tonight. They're screaming at each other and you know naughty when she gets in a spicy liquored-up fight mode. She's going at deedy says you're dead to me now. He's charging back like oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, and I'm just disappointed with the not see it because there ain't no fight like an Auntie fight. Right. Wow, what? What is it? Oh my God, I need it. So that was from in theory took place in during this episode time frame, I believe so, okay now if it's from tonight, and he said you are dead to me. So I'm dying to know what you said make her death. No, I didn't you know, so thanks for that drama. I spiced MTV and if you guys have more information on you know, why not? He's dead too D, please put it in our comments. Mmm Pam you have a little bit of music as well. I do a few things. So we have submitted of course. Okay, make it really quick that first and foremost the big conspiracy that Johnny Bananas are veiled in Ankara confirmed was that Zach had said to bananas. He took banana said the whole thing like all your friends are but a traitor of a friend is less than a friend. Remember when did his little speech before he picked Zach to go against allegedly behind the scenes that had like a family affair or a wedding or something that he wanted to go to and he wanted to leave and he said help me. In I'm going to throw it and surprise banana said great and then Zach said he couldn't throw it because it would have been too obvious so that they did lose and gossip knows exact hands the Paulo. And yeah, so that was a tiny bit of Gossip a little social media gossip Cara. Maria apparently just went on a big old block party and blocked 40 people like castmates everybody that were saying things that made her unhappy on Twitter. She's clearing the bad energy. Talk to them from whatever commenting and following her part 2 of Cara Maria news and gossip is she herself said she finds her in poly cringy in this. Oh like watching this. I'm like Chris. She's on my side with it. Then that's great. We're getting a creepy edit because of the oh Pat next. So again think what we will I kind of like that. I thought that was pretty mature and then part other to she addressed everyone going like you're in love with Kyle. She said Kyle legit. Wrote Polly a tweet that says like I'm going to go after you so you go home and I can have a try and have another go at Cara. She's like, so how do you think me and my boyfriend are not going to try and get this guy out? Yes. I'm a Carver his friend. Thank you God. Are you the owner of the Twitter account? It's a big thing that I've completely avoided on purpose. Talk to him so much is now. Okay, if we have one minute predictions, can we quickly do predictions? I have gerbils TV prediction. I know this is more of a prediction or it's more of a comment that a prediction. I'm just so happy that Georgia is now seeing bear for one. He is and somehow he gets exposed. We see this next weekend. She finds out that he's lying cheating shit. He has a girlfriend at home. She throws water on him. It's phenomenal. What do you guys think is going to happen next episode between what we saw in the previous my prediction / wish because I don't know is that I do think Wes If he can continue to pull it out, I would like to see Wesson D go far. I would like to see Pauly and ninja go far. These are my final 4 predictions like to see on our in Georgia and I hope that finally she does turn on him and Karan Theo's. Those are my top four that I think are going to go really far and I hope that Georgia does come to her senses and stops defending bear. But I have a feeling she's still gonna defend him. Damn hot fiery take ya prediction love. Love lesson D. I'm worried that she can't And I think that's might be what's going to send them home this season. I think that's going to send them right in and then bam Anything could happen in elimination. I love Wes and I'm rooting for him all the way but that's my prediction you jump around a red herring to users. No. No, this is either going home next week. I think that that could be put them into an elimination anything goes. All right. Yeah. Well guys put your pretty You think thank you for joining us. This has been your episode 7 recap for the challenge for the world This Means War. My name is Jenna but CR keep tweeting your juicy gossip stuff Keeps Us fed. Jenna underscore bussiere. Thanks for tuning in. Yeah, I'm Pamela gross Chill on the social media and what I'd love to know if any of you guys out there know how Devon got taken over by bear. Please let us know because that is a really like to know how he got to make that decision for the team the Dan lingered on Instagram. Hit me up will That it up over that way guys. Have a great night. See you later. Founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first for the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever your grade. We've got it. 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