Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror plancast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to another episode of nightmare on film Street be like I say that differently. Usually I'm John Kim and this week we are talking bed and bunker that didn't make sense. No, it didn't. Nope. Nope. It was good. Okay. Well this week we are talking captive movie. This is also not making sense. Have you guys ever been locked changed to a bed or trapped inside a bunker instead of getting all stand? You like your on Airbnb you're looking for a bed and breakfast you're not really paying attention to the listing and the next thing you know, you've got 1,800 free nights because you're not allowed to leave. It sounds like a good deal the time but then you realize everyone who you love doesn't know you're gonna die underground at the hands of a Madwoman. Whoa, that went some confusing place which of course Course is to say we are talking about Rob Reiner, 's misery and Dan Trachtenberg 10 Cloverfield lane two, very different, but all together similar captive capped or movies and episode. We're calling bed and bunker. Good job. John brought it round pretty similar premises you have isolation. You have a not altogether saying villain and some interesting. I'd elements. We gotta perhaps a hammer perhaps some aliens, but you know what, you know what I just realized saves both of our main characters in each of these movies creativity art expression resourcefulness. I would say I think it's all resourceful. But yeah just cunning before we get into it though Kim. What is keeping you creepy this week. Well us came out just this past weekend. So I don't know if you saw it on the weekend judged by those box office numbers. You probably did I'm getting and of annoyed of saying Jordan peels us because it's like hey you seen us recently or did you see us this weekend? Like no, we haven't hung out in months like none of the movie It's A Hard title. It's a really hard title to a purpose to describe. Yeah. That might be it, right. Yeah us like that's not a title for a film a title for anything except for the movie that we're about to talk about us. I'll go first. I didn't love it as much as I thought I would yeah. I need to see it again. I'm still kind of Hang on it. I think everybody had really high expectations for this one and there were a lot of emotions in kind of like wanting something out of it and what we were going to expect from it and I just I don't know. I was kind of just a little not wowed. It's got some really great performances and some really creepy characters and I love everybody involved The Duality of the roles that they're playing. It's really fun to watch. It's really interesting to see them get into the two different characters that They all have to play which I love but the story didn't engage me as much as I was expecting and the trailer was really well cut really selling this as a traditional horror film and and I found the trailer varies genuinely scary. So I was expecting the film in turn to be more traditional horror and very scary. Also, Jordan Peele himself has said that this is more of a straight horror film than get out was and I always found get out to be a whore. Chloe so I was expecting a lot different than I didn't find this movie. Scary. Yeah, and normally I don't say that about horror films. I'm normally not on the camp that horror needs to be scary. But I was really anticipating something spooky out of the US characters and they delivered a lot of their trailer moments, but not much else for me. Yeah, especially given the the like how creepy they look mmm. I was really expecting this movie to get under my skin. In more and just like make me feel uncomfortable. Yeah and like it did sure it did in a few moments but not nearly as much as it promised and like that's fine. Whatever cool it is very effective for a lot of other people. I am seeing no shortage of people saying it's the scariest movie they've ever seen and that's great. That's awesome. That means more people are going to go check it out in the theater and I'm happy for that. But Supernatural stories are definitely really good for telling other stories like It is a great way to build a metaphor and love it so much in this one and I really wanted to like this movie is my big problem. I want that whole third act to be another movie. I don't know that I I really wanted to know what was going on with those characters and when I got it, I felt like I should have got it a lot earlier. It's really hard. I'm trying to like, obviously we don't want to spoil anything because it's a pretty good chance you haven't Seen it yet, but it's definitely worth checking out. I'm also looking forward to seeing it again, you know, maybe now that the the hype is gone and we can just sort of watch it without any sort of expectations. Maybe it's building a better story than we know like, maybe we maybe it really needs a second watch to sink in. Yeah, and there is something to be said to about movies that make film fans and genre fans talk and discuss things totally. I can always appreciate that about a film when they leave you with themes and ideas to chew on and what this means and what that means. So this film definitely has a lot of that there is a lot under the surface and whether or not I agree that it was done the most like seamless or eloquent way. There's still so much about this movie that I haven't quite figured out and that is great. That's that's awesome. Yeah, if you do want to chat about the film more Hillary and you're looking for somebody to talk to about it. We do have a spoiler thread going in the Facebook fiends group. That's at facebook.com slash groups such horror films of n ofs. You can get a spoiler as you want there. And if you want to know John and my uncensored opinions and and here s really get into the different plot points of the movie and and such we did a full patreon exclusive episode that dropped just last weekend. So that's at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street speaking of patreon. Before we get started. 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If you have not checked it out at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street. That's enough chitchat. Let's get into the movies. Let's talk 10, Cloverfield Lane. Something's coming. Directed by Dan Trachtenberg, and I probably said that name wrong 10 Cloverfield Lane is currently sitting at a 7 point 2 out of 10 on IMDb and ninety percent on Rotten Tomatoes ryota for from Roger Ebert.com and 3.6 out of five on letterboxed also has the greatest horror movie trailer ever made. It is so good. It is the best horror movie trailer. Yeah, the music and the cutting and John Goodman dancing at the record play the Jukebox gearbox so good. I watch that trailer occasionally like I can't see I watch that movie all the time. I don't put it on every weekend like every Sunday morning with my coffee. Hmm Emery's but but yeah occasionally when I feel like listening to I Think We're Alone Now by Brandt no, no. No, what's the name? Isn't it Tiffany Tiffany? There we go version in the movie isn't Tiffany's like that original. Whatever is version. I don't know. It's like a doo-wop e era. It's probably the something's sure. There was like a template for making your band name and if it wasn't just like you and the like Jimmy and that's yeah, it was just the something's and nothing's really changed. But when I feel it wasn't even that song I will occasionally just put on the trailer for this movie and then I'm like kind of bummed that there isn't like a creepy remix version that I can listen to like a two-and-a-half minute version where they could really wants down into something. So I remember being so happy in the theater when it was in the movie because the the trailer with the Had got us so pumped. Yeah, and then when it was actually in the film, it's just like yeah, this is what we came for Danny wait for the end credits. Walk right out so full disclosure. This film was actually my number one pick for 2016. It was my favorite horror film of 2016. I don't remember where you had it because I think you do you remember what your ranking was? Nope? I don't really remember much of that list at all. Oh well trained to Busan. I think was your know right? Yeah, it was a good year. Hmm. I only remember because I make fun of you for saying that you don't like zombie films and then every year you put zombie films on your top 10, like right in the top-right trying to loosen one kind of the Dead Overlord always. Yep, because that honestly if I could find a zombie movie that surprises me that I like it kind of immediately gets a bump. That's true and there has been some really good zombie movies lately 10 Cloverfield Lane not one of them. You know what I don't even know if it appeared was it I think if it wasn't it. Was on my list. I don't think it was very high because I like that first time that I saw this love the end of it. I don't really know why. Yeah, I don't know why either but you know, that is the most common complaint though. I hear when you know, I'm raving about this movie on the internet and people are like, well the ending it feels but you know, this wasn't originally Cloverfield movie and I'm just like fingers in my ears and dance on by cares what movie it wasn't talked about the movie that it is every story had a first draft rights. Exactly. Although I would argue that transition did not necessarily work out for God Particle, but that isn't the film that we are speaking about today. So let's talk Cloverfield lays. I'm kind of a sucker for great title sequences and title cards. This movie's got one of the best ones and like and it's so simple there's nothing to it. But Mary Elizabeth Winstead Michelle is packing up her house. She's clearly leaving her fiance. She's left a ring on the table. She's The few essentials including a bottle of scotch and she's F the fucking door, but she gets run off the road and as as her car is careening and the camera is inside with her and it's just chaos and we're flipping around. It's just like cuts to silence and a black screen. It's like Bad Robot presents and then like back to more chaos and tinkle over or just Cloverfield is what it says just as Cloverfield and then the elves slowly extend to 10 Cloverfield Lane. Oh man. Yeah, and that's the exact same design that they used for the poster. Do you remember? We good posters insane reality have this like gigantic. Yeah. Well, it's like An Elevator Shaft down to a bunker in the basement. It's a really cool shots with that later in the film. Mmm. So Michelle wakes up. She is chained to a pipe on a cement floor with a tiny flat mattress, and she realizes she is now the captive of John Goodman's character in case you were curious what the theme of this episode 1 We're gonna say captor and captive a lot. We're gonna say like it's bolded. Yeah, John Goodman's character Howard. Who is this socially strange very uptight frigid controlled silly person if the best how else could you describe him? The guy's definitely got some sort of accessory roll issues. Yes. I'm obsessive compulsive disorder. He doesn't like people touching. I don't think it's necessarily like a possessive thing. I don't it's that he doesn't want Emmett the other well, I think it's a puzzle. I think that's part of it. I think it's a possessive thing. Like that's what I think is really good about this movie like John Goodman, especially like a lot of the quirks of the characters really sort of helped underline their wants mmm. I think this movie had we have not gone with the captor captive theme we could have paired it with creep Patrick Bryson. Mark duplass has film because of the that Underline unsettling feeling you get with Harold's character because scene to see in a moment to moment and line of dialogue to line of dialogue. It could go either fucking way. It's a really good point. You know what I mean? There's just an unsettling are around him that this this film isn't subtle like the creep films but it nails that unease and the things that you can pick up in human nature like with human connection and human interaction. Yeah. Yeah. He is such a strange character because what's interesting too is that they are trapped in a bunker and you know, if they were just in an apartment or a house I everything about how this guy acts what he says how he operates screams get the fuck out of there when you literally can't like but there's there's moments in the film where you you feel like you've misunderstood him. Oh you feel guilty like Mary. Maybe he's just got like Asperger's right and he's just not good at He's just a quirky dude, but and he doesn't know how to convey things in a socially accepted way and we've you feel guilty for assuming all these terrible things about him when he's actually just this simple decent human being. Yeah, like the way he talks is crazy unless the end of the world has happened and it's not like he's going to change how he speaks or how he interacts with people once the world has ended. So at some point you have to understand whether or not like maybe he's actually a out of the goodness of his heart trying to save some people as he's going to as he's going down into his bunker. Mmm, or he's just fucking nuts, right? So I don't know if we've if it's come up much on the podcast because I don't know if we've done a lot of John Goodman films, but he is down is this the first one? I don't know. We haven't done we have to do red State one time because I think thats dark enough to we could we could we could do like comedians turn tour or something. That's not bad or we could just do like the dark films of Kevin Smith guy. Arachnophobia at some point. Oh, yeah, isn't that that's true. But what I was going to say is John Goodman is definitely one of my favorite actors of all time, right? He is so good in everything everything that he's in it's crazy that this guy hasn't been nominated for an Oscar. It is crazy. It's insane and he got nominated I think one right a Golden Globe for our go. I don't know why he didn't get nominated the Academy Awards just saying guys. All right, wasn't he has to have been nominated. And my cursory look on I have to be I said nothing. Yeah, he is. He's one of the greatest actors of all time. It's a shame that he doesn't get like leading-man roles, but there has never been a movie that says and and also starring John Goodman that I haven't said I'm watching that movie tonight guys, amazing and everything. He's in that said though, and this is true, but a lot of capture movies in fact both movies that we are talking about today. I don't understand why either of these people think that when they wake up from Unconscious after a car accident after any accident and they're stuck in an unfamiliar place that they're just gonna willfully take pills from you like here take these. It'll make you feel better. Like no, thank you. Sorry and then there's so little little little gratitude would be nice. Like I have no fucking idea who you are where I am. Like I have no memory of you rescuing me, so I can't say thank you so much sir. Um, I I get what you're saying. I would be hesitant, but you did you take those pills. Eels in the sense of misery I would have in 10 Cloverfield Lane. I probably would not have yeah, but depends on how much pain you're in if you're in like level 10 frowny face pointing at the doctor's office pain, you might take anything anybody gives you I would have eaten his ice cream. I would have taken that ice cream. Not at that moment. I might have well, it's been a rough day guys. It's so sad thing. I need this. Yeah, I do like so let's talk about some of the Out of this movie because we are just talking about John Goodman being a creep a wonderful creaking. Oh man. He's such a good grief. It's like the best creep there is okay. So yeah, Mary Mary Elizabeth Winstead Michelle wakes up in a bunker Howard explains to her that she was in an accident that he's rescued her and that there is somebody else in the bunker as well whose name is MH the three of them as far as they know are three of some of the only survivors left in what was an apocalyptic attack. Don't know if it's chemical don't know if it's nuclear. All we know is that the bunker is safe and the air outside is poison. Yeah, and of course Mary Elizabeth Winstead, I don't know why we have to keep saying all her full name, right? Hey Michelle, fortunately Michelle is well, you know, it makes sense. She is rightfully. So kind of questioning this strange and quirky man that's holding her hostage. And so he allows her to go up to the entrance of the bunker to take a look at like Frank and Adore and somebody yeah, the his resident pigs who died by mysterious are poisoning and we see and so does Michelle that they are definitely dead and rotting. Yeah, and so back down to the bunker we go. Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily take that as evidence. I would have I would be like so he could have just as easily. Yeah, but I think Emmett to add some credibility. To his story and it really does because he also says that he saw it and he helped build it. Oh, yeah, that's right. He did help build like he helps vouch for Harold in a way like, oh Harold just is who he is. He's always been like that Howard Howard is how he is. He's always calm Harry. He's always been like that and he adds some sort of like, oh, this is just how this man has always been he's not this like crazy recluse. There's there's neighborhood people who know of him. Yeah. They just don't happen to know about the bunker and because I helped build a Exactly. I knew that this was the one safe place that there would be in the event of this this attack. He describes it as seeing a gigantic gigantic red flash like of biblical proportions unlike anything he's ever seen and he just immediately rushed over to Howard's place. The only question I have because later we're told that Howard it Howard admits that he is the one who ran Michelle off the road, which I think we all figure that out anyway, but it was an accident because the attack had happened. Happened. He was trying to get back to his bunker. He was frantic. He wasn't paying attention and he but you know because he knew that this was his fault. He stopped to help her out bring her to the bunker. So she's safe and everything. How comes she didn't see the flesh because the flash that Eminence talking about was the attack so I'm just saying there's some timeline issues there. Um, do you think that they're what do you think what he's saying is actually true or do you think he saw her at the gas station at the beginning of the movie was like I'm gonna take her in my bunker. Yeah, and then the attack Happened at some point convenient either after her car was off the road or what have you? Yeah, timeline-wise. It was probably like run this girl off the road because I want her and then as he's getting her out of her car and up to the truck bang flash goes off like oh my God, we've got bigger things to deal with but at least I've got a really good excuse of why I can keep her dad like the lies that I fed every other girl that I've kidnapped is now actually going to be true. Unfortunately a man forces his way in and he stuck with somebody. Else it's kind of ruin his plans. Yeah, but they that that does leave me to like a big thing that I wrote down in my notebook here. It's a the chicken or the egg thing. Do you think he built the bunker because of the paranoia and it just so happens to be a nice place that he can bring girls. He wants to kidnap its or do you think he always wanted to kidnap girls and that's what fed into this quote-unquote paranoia of the end time. So, I need a bunker hmm how I always pictured. Howard's story is that so Emmett confirms that he does have a wife and daughter and that they live in Chicago or whatever like they've left him but that could just be what now? I know. I know I'm just telling you how I experienced the thrill so I believe that his wife and daughter left him and that in his loneliness or whatever that spawned from that he kidnapped that local girl and started calling her Megan but there's definitely some weird Central stuff with it. So I don't I think he's trying to replace like a A lack of familial love so I think the bunker was like a convenient like, oh I can just keep her here and make her my family. Oh, you know what? It's because this girl can be the daughter I care for and when I need it the wife, yeah in one girl you easier to control one girl. My shoe. Why did you have a revelation with that? I was just like let's not go there. Well, I mean, I was also thinking about the the board game scene where they're playing I think password is what it is. Yes, that is the greatest scene. Whole fucking movie. Well, it's for to resurface level. Yeah, because they're up to no good and we think that that Howard has found out what's going on, but also to because he doesn't know the word like the word woman doesn't come to him. He that's it's how he's categorized Michelle share. Yeah. Yeah. He does not see her as anything other than a little princess a girl like heat that those that's all the only words that come to mind for him. He cannot conceive of her as a woman. That is enough. It seemed like just crazy because she is the most resourceful macgyvering Nancy Drew that ever walked inside a bunker right from moment one. She does not stop trying to escape. I mean like there's there maybe a little bit in the Middle where she realizes that maybe there's something to what Howard is saying, but she does not stop she does her character is do not wait around waiting is pointless and I think they even exemplify that in the beginning when she whittles down her crutch to a point. She's gonna stab Howard but she gets bored of standing around and waiting for him to come in. So she put some of her clothes in the vent lights it on fire. So the smoke detector will go off and then he'll come in like she's constantly trying to speed up how fast she can get out of that bunker. There is no matter how dark it gets in there or how Grim or how dangerous it is to do what she's doing. She does not stop trying to escape. Hmm and you know first time watching this it's really rewarding seeing all of those scenes because everything that's presented in this film every every tool that the camera looks at her every object that the camera looks at becomes part of the plot and almost like an M Night Shyamalan way. Yeah. It's all tools for Michelle to use to ultimately survive one being held captive and to the Cloverfield part of the story. Yeah. So yeah, but I do want to criticize the film in that in that sense. That although it is rewarding on like a entertaining movie watching level. I think the perfect Seamless way everything rounds up in a nice little bow at the end makes this a little less than perfect because the film is too pristine. Okay, like it's it's it's unrealistic everything and I understand we're talking about a movie with aliens and I can die captive who's holding people want a bunker. Like I know that in itself is not a realistic premise, but they did a really great job of taking this Sensational story about insane improbable events, and they They made really well-rounded characters, but it's almost too perfectly set up. Like, you know a video game the olden Time video games when you would walk into a room and you knew all the items, you could enter because there they would glow a little they had a different amount of like pixelization or like when you're watching Scooby-Doo or Bugs Bunny and how you knew what was backdrop and what was going to be interaction within the scene because the backdrop was really painterly and everything else was just comic colored or it's like one tone color this movie is like that The girl that Howard happened to of kidnapped was also wearing the earrings that she was wearing when she was kid when she was kidnapped and attacked in the bunker to leave the same earring that was in the photograph and she wrote help me and her hand was bleeding at the time that she wrote it and there's blood on the earring and oh that she had the bottle of alcohol in the back of the truck which happens to be able to make a malt off cocktail when she has no other mean I love that everything. I know but it's great and it's a fun upon first and second one. Watch as a moviegoer. It's super entertaining and that like kick like shoot him up kind of way. Yeah, but when you're watching it a third or a fourth timers like this is just a little too. Perfect. I think it makes for a tight script that I think it makes it with some very tight script and I'm saying it's good and it's good on the first watch but it takes it away from being realistic. Everything just happens to work out for this character and he's really profound ways that she would have died but it's because well, it's okay. I'm not gonna do what is that? Multi cocktail didn't make it in that thing's mouth. Like game over game fucking over. Hey, I mean a lot of people would have said game fucking over whether or not they knew that cocktail was in the back seat. Anyway, right like she was just like I got to fucking try cuz why the fuck not and you're right. Yeah. Sure like Against All Odds she got out but I mean, but it's Against All Odds Against All Odds Against All Odds Against All Odds. Yeah. I thought one of the things you're going to complain about was the was it like the CO2? Canister that he uses to to freeze the alcohol for disinfecting that she also uses lighter to break a lock and Rings told her like go back when I was in the Navy. We you know, if the CEO was being a jerk we used to freeze the lock while he was in the bathroom door and break it off. I thought that was great because she remembers that story. It's just a fun little anecdote in a scene where you're realizing that you know, maybe Howard's not as bad as we think he is but she uses that and retains it and keeps it for later on when she needs to escape also that escape I think is Positive that his plan was always to build the bunker to kidnap girls because just has the acid on hand. Well thought that he had all that acid right then we'll get back to that know where she freezes the lock breaks the lock and that's the escape hatch that she's able to get out of it is not it's nothing like the airtight seal that he has at the opening. Mmm. Like there is there's nothing about that little hatch that says, oh this is going to keep A pout all Airborne pathogens like doesn't have a double wall or anything yet doesn't have anything like I understand that it's essentially where the air filtration system is. So, I mean like we need fresh air to be pulled in but it's definitely not the kind of setup. You would expect to see for somebody who is going like the whole nine yards on making a absolute an absolute like nuclear bomb safe bunker. Hmm. That's interesting. I think the acid is a giveaway. Yes help of a see at some is a pretty good give away that you are. Hang on killing people and hiding them because why does he need it when he was initially going into that bunker alone and it wasn't supposed to be there. So what he says, yeah, she was gonna wind up in that bucket acid in the bucket of acid. Oh, yeah, don't you think that's how he got rid of Megan? Yeah, but I think so I the problem is is we don't really necessarily know his Mo because he doesn't fully get revealed to us like the dark side of him. It's all insinuated from like that photo and how Megan could have died is Maybe She almost escaped or something like she did something where she died as an accident and she attacked him and he was defending himself and she because I just don't see him killing her. I don't see him killing Michelle either like I see him as like getting slashed and throwing her in timeout before getting before killing back. Yeah, but Megan exists in a world where there was. No apocalypse, and she doesn't exist. Now she just Disappears. Nobody knows what happened to her. So no matter what we don't know. He has killed her. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah do we don't I just don't think we know how that all went down. I see him as wanting to keep a companion. Do you think he uses the end of the world line on Megan? Like do you think he was like I saved you it's okay and of the world we can't go I'm just gonna leave my bunker for a little bit. Well, I think he's just maybe he just never left the bunker. Oh, like let's say he's not independently wealthy, but let's say he owns his own. Own house. He's got a bank account set up for his property taxes and whatnot throughout the year. He's got an accountant that handles that but you know, if you own everything like you've paid off everything that you own and you have enough food for however many years. You don't need to leave the bunker. You don't need to leave the bunker. Yeah. I didn't think of that. So I I would imagine he's done that with Megan or alternatively. Yeah, he would occasionally he would leave for work and come home and Megan would still be locked in the bunker. That's interesting. We'll have to Corner the screenwriters. If We Ever Meet that it could even be that tell me about Megan. That's how you what happened to Megan. We want answers like TMZ reporters Corbin open the fucking door way. No, I got I wonder if like you hear about like Howie Mandel Howie Mandel's got a problem with germs and apparently he has I've heard has a guest house with that if he has like a cycle that he's going into where he just needs to like be alone. He goes over there and then like debriefs himself comes back. This could be honored percent fake, but I could imagine a world where somebody is in the depths of a vicious cycle where I need to like Howard Hughes needs to lock himself away and in just a movie theater away from everybody until he recuperates and is okay with the idea that germs exist and he can go back out in the real world. Maybe that's something that Howard needs to do. Maybe he gets to conspiracy minded and Just like a the Chemtrails maybe I gotta go underground for a month or two and he just takes a girl with him when he goes. That's really creepy. He's oh what he's doing here isn't yeah, come on, he kills Emmett and then gets dressed up and has a clean shave and like don't worry now that he's gone. He can do whatever we want now. Yeah, that's so creepy after that happen. So after he shoots Emma, which is a huge surprise it comes because Michelle and Emmett have decided that they are going to escape this is after they found the earring. Earring and determined that Howard has killed this girl Megan who's week. He's been saying his daughter all along also because she shows the photo to Eminem. It's like not girl's name isn't Megan. The girl's name is like Louise. I went to high school with her. She disappeared. So Michelle has been fashioning a gas mask and biohazard suit out of an old shower curtain and they've been doing it on the down low, but Howard finds out and when he confronts them with a big giant vat of acid Emmett ends up in it. Oh, yeah, and he cleans up and he then he cleans himself up and he's clean shaven. He's wearing a collared shirt and it's just like finally things are as they are supposed to be and he's so chipper. Yeah, I'll go make dinner. You have your ice cream. Like I am not in the mood to do anything but scream right now that bus ticket right if folded up bus ticket like you can tell it's been opens. Like I almost cried in the theater when we first saw this right. I was like, you can't cry in a sci-fi horror film Umm, fucking loser. It's a human story Kim. It just happens to have some sci-fi horror elements around it had so many folds so many food. He's definitely taking it out like looked at it right like every day. This could have been me. Why didn't I do this? Anyway speaking of seeing it in the theater. I think this was the first movie we saw and like Ultra AVX and I don't even know what that means. Yeah Ultra audio visual experience. I think audio visual experience has gotta be it either. Big screen big sound and and big popcorn could not have been a better movie to attend big popcorn. Okay. It was a great movie to see, you know Dre VX because you would maybe expect to see a Superhero Movie in that kind of setting think it's usually what they're used for superhero movies action movies, but big budgets the calculated use of sound in this movie is so fucking impressive like for instance when the knife goes through that vent the first time when Michelle's trying to do her final big get away. She's got the suit on she's going through the vent because she knows the backup hatch and she's every single one of those knife plunges was like an explosion. Oh so loud and a gun but he shoots into. Yeah. He's screaming the whole time like Michelle because it's faces melted off. Just stay with me. There's so much skin dangling off his hand the determination with the level of he's at a 10. Willow frowny face pain that level of determination is the scariest thing. Just when if I had a really bad paper cut I don't think I could Chase anybody down there but he's arm is group of skin. I think he wants to die with him right like that's explode with me. But yeah, the The Gunshot all of it all of it all of those sequences because the majority of the movie is fairly quiet. We're in a bunker. Her and most of the sounds that we hear are Think We're Alone and I think ruler Nets that's nice and quiet. There doesn't seem to be anyone ran around. Yeah something about it something that sound. Yeah. It really popped in the in the ultra AVX theater and which I mean is is like part of a bigger conversation about the sound design in this movie and I think sound is really how we show perspective in the movie as well. The audio that we hear is is almost always from Megan's ears. Because especially after that gunshot sequence, I think every I think we've seen that in movies enough to expect it, but your ears are ringing and you we are Michelle at this point and we can barely hear Howard talking to her trying to tell her like it's okay. He was gonna hurt us but like sounds slowly comes back into it. We also see it earlier in the movie too when she is what she's first trying to escape after she like Bosch is that bottle on Howard's face and she's finally made her way up to the padlock and just before She gets out. There's a woman there and that woman is screaming at her and it's all super muffled, but it like becomes clearer and clearer and more into Focus as Megan's adrenaline is starting to drop because it starts to the sound starts to suck out as we see Howard going for his keys to open the bottle where he realizes that you know, she has them in her hand, but it helps like get us into her character. So like it's it's her journey. It's her story. It's who were with it. Also, I think especially what you're saying with the when we first see the what the woman at the Door it helps make where they are feel more like a tomb like you can feel the thickness of the walls with how muffled it is it first and you're right the the sound of it moving and changing is like the rush of adrenaline. Yeah, which is so crazy to point out that that can be achieved just through sound alone. Yeah, because I don't know if I noticed that consciously but now that you're saying it I can literally hear it in my mind's ear. Yeah. No, that's okay and at the end of the movie to when we're when she's escaping she's put on her like her her makeshift morgue. Pirate hazmat suit and we don't think it's weird or strange so much because like she needs it to survive, you know, just in case and when we get out most of the audio, it's like inside her helmet and it's just whoever is inside its right. Yeah, like we were right claw stuff. You're like that. That was gross. I'm sorry everybody. But yeah, like we're panicked were frantic and then as she starts to realize that it's just a regular normal day. She takes her helmet off and we can hear birds. Sounds yeah and then bugs and stuff. Yeah, and it's like it's less panicked and then all of a sudden we cut out to a wider shot and we see her in her whole suit, and she looks like a crazy person and like I'm were with her in that moment because that's her realization. I just I just love is in 10 seconds later. It's like no there's aliens. Oh, yeah, by the way, there are aliens and they drop something in the fucking corn get out of here and it's gonna suck her face. It does now. We're Dad's face bear dog hates car alarms and Humanity in general. So let's talk about this. Because I've talked about this with a few people on Twitter before okay that the monsters from Cloverfield the original film and the monsters from 10 Cloverfield Lane are not of the same species / Planet / whatever especially now after God Particle the theory is that they are of different timelines. Okay, but I mean in God Particle the only real monster we see here is the Clover very end. If anything Cloverfield Paradox is more tied to Cloverfield than 10 Cloverfield Lane is so yeah, I'd like, okay, so are there different species maybe and I think a lot of the complaints to were that in this one. We actually get a spaceship and we see some biochemical Warfare and people were really mad because the original Clover is more like a giant monster movie. It's not an intelligent Species movie. It's not about an alien. Evasion we kind of understand or gather that Clover is not an Earthling especially if you watch that Ferris wheel scene. Okay. Well here let's go back to the ferris wheel seen for a second because the other we're getting some Clover Spirits these up in the other school of thought here and I don't mean to I mean take you to college on this one, but we're going back Cloverfield 101 that Ferris wheel seen. I think this is I think it's a different way to look at it. Okay. We are not seeing the Clover monster fall into the water. We are seeing a That has been knocked out of orbit and falling back to Earth that once it hits the water and sinks. It disturbs the Clover monster. That's one school of thought. Where do you get that from the internet? Why is this satellite? Why couldn't it be an egg? Well, it's apparently it has something to do with the Japanese company that Rob from Cloverfield is going to work for who has some dealings and everything footage movie John. Yeah, but there's there's a there's a story behind the story. Okay. I've heard that Theory online now, here's here is my my hope I think it ties into what you're saying here. But 10 Cloverfield Lane and my desires for the next Cloverfield movie or honestly Cloverfield 8. I don't even give a shit. This is such a wild idea. I do not think it could be the next movie but because of the instances with Cloverfield Paradox and 10 Cloverfield Lane, let's assume aliens have come to Earth. They are here to conquer and it's because of the Garb God Particle like that's part of it. That was the that was what caused. It and that's why the aliens are here because now we're in some weird other universe and they're dirty. They're coming for our natural resources, right? Okay. Now Clover separate monster has been awoken is currently terrorizing the city when the aliens attack and clover is now like Godzilla. He's our protector and he's gonna tear these aliens down and save humanity and at the end he's probably gonna die. We're gonna be like, oh no, he was our pets. Oh my God, like I just wanted to Love you. Okay. So I love that. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, I agree. That'd be great. That's great a little while though know if directed by the guys that did crank. That's how I'd see that movie. Well, what would it be can't be like Godzilla vs. Moth or would be like Cloverfield verse Cloverfield Cloverfield verse martians Cloverfield versus the Martians. Yeah. I like it Cloverfield Saves Christmas. Okay, this these are good. These are all good. Yep. Yep. So that's a great Theory. It's probably not true. But it I would totally watch that. I think that would save Cloverfield the franchise you imagine but my belief and this is what I've always argued is that Clover is definitely part of the same alien species that these monsters and they're weird spaceship are part of in 10 Cloverfield Lane and my argument is that if say humanity went to another Anat, and you know we were just going to like fuck shit up and we had these giant ass hippos that we had. You know, we want to we don't want to send humans there. We don't we don't want to waste a perfectly intelligent brains. Yeah, so we'll drop some giant s hippos are the landing area is clear. What would you like to do drop the hippo would give anything to see them but you know what, I mean, like, I think that they're just a different species of the same Planet like Clover. I don't think his intelligence. Feces like I don't think it's got destruction on its mind. It's just a Destructor because of its size now. It's like if you dropped club Clover into a giant like rainforest, he would just be like walking around and looking for something to eat. Like he wouldn't be just like must find humanity to smaller. She just happened to be in Manhattan. This is really drop them and they were shooting it. And here's the thing. I think that speaks perfectly to what Howard was saying. What was Howard saying Howard. Okay, so when they hear a sound they think it's an helicopter. He's like, yeah, but it's not ours. It's definitely not anything that we We have I think this is Phase 2 because he's saying that the like Clover was phase one. However was phase one you sent it into your like highly populated cities your metropolises. You take out as many people as you can big big headquarters, you drop a bunch of hippos. Yeah, you dropped them hippos and they're hungry hungry and then you go in and you shoot up everybody. That's still remaining. Yeah. Exactly. And that's what we are seeing in 10 Cloverfield Lane its Phase 2. It's the more intelligent people who are coming in after the dogs have sniffed everybody yet. Those dog things were the one we encountered in the car sequence was there is so much action in the final moments of this movie. Oh much action because she she goes from like the air is Poison. The air is not poisoning. Oh this dog got to get keys go to this car. Go back to the truck. Go back to this car go to the house shit aliens behind the house now in that whole sequence we go. I have no idea what time it is when she decides to to to break out but I think Howard comes to get them in the middle of the night because it's like soup. Her dark so I can only assume that it's the Morning by the time she breaks out. No Evac. He says he's making them dinner. Okay. So this makes a little more sense because I was gonna say by the time she breaks out it gets dark fast and it's bright out. She hears Birds the flying around. It's getting like dusk by the time the thing gets dropped in the corn. But as soon as she's hiding in the barn, it's like dark out and it's probably just because like Batman rules aliens. Don't look cool during the day. Yeah. Also, I think she'd be caught way faster if ya right now and that fucking shot Right where like she's coming up to the house, but the alien ships coming up from behind super Backlund then when green mist from the the ship finally comes up, you see that this house is abandoned and all boarded up and like really you see the lights blaring. So yeah, I love it. Pretty cool. Totally worth it. Even if it's like timeline-wise. Let's say it is actually morning and it should be bright out so worth it for that scene. Totally. Is there any other scenes that you wanted to talk about? I will at least say I L don't love the end of the movie. You don't love it. No, I don't know what it is. Maybe maybe honestly, maybe it's just that the bunker stuff is too good and the paranoia is so well done that once you find out that it's all real. It's not I don't know. It just doesn't it's not it doesn't work for me because it works and it's great. And I think like a lot of other movies Indie movies, you would have come out and found out that there was no attack. It's just some weird thing the fact that they're willing to go there and show you aliens and have like a full-on alien attack is great. Like she has a fucking Showdown with more than one of these aliens and she destroys of it's awesome. I don't I don't know. I don't love it. I'm talking about it now and it's like man, this is sounds great. I like it because it's even Howard's not right like he thinks that there's been like some chemicals and there's nuclear fallout awesome ours. Has finally found a way to get to us. He's so certain that martians exist, but it's not an even a nuclear fallout. It's almost like these ships are dropping quick acting poison because as soon as the green is not on you, you're no longer poisonous because it only touches me a little bit just a little just a little bit but she takes the mask off and like right after being submerged in that green nonsense and it's not burning through her suit or anything. I think it's just as long as it gets her skin. But yeah, I think I just inhaled poison. Yeah, but it's not like it's not a long active chemical. Is interesting. Yeah, but we is there anything else you want to talk about? No, I think I'm ready to rate the film go for it. I'm going to give it a 3.5 out of four. I'm also giving it a 3.5 out of four. I think every time I watch it, I like that that ending more like I've always thought that it worked. It just wasn't always my favorite. But again, I think it's just cause the bunker stuff is so fucking good. Yeah. I know. You know what I do love the mystery-solving like as much as I complain about it. It just keeps it from being like the perfect film because it feels just a little too. Set up and a little to screenwriter Lee orchestrated sure, but it is really fun to watch this character MacGyver her way out of every situation because you have somebody you really want to root for and she really earns her Freedom. Oh, yeah. Yeah not to say that like other character. You have to earn your freedom to be in a horror film but like you want to have somebody to cheer for and from moment one. She is like fucking trying to get out. Yeah. She just doesn't she doesn't just sees an opportunity at the end of the movie after an hour and a half of doing whatever this guy says because Scared of them. She is always trying to find a way out. Hmm, and it's only because of that that she's able to get at the end when she can totally moving on. Let's talk about Rob Riders misery from 1990. You have a compound fracture of the tibia and both legs and the fibula and the right leg is fractured to in as soon as the roads open. I'll take you to a hospital the meantime, you got a lot of recovering to do there is nothing to worry about you're going to be just fine. I'm your number one fan. My name is Annie Wilkes. The presumption must now be that Paul Sheldon is dead Dirty Bird how Could you misery Chastain cannot be Dead Mystery spirit is still alive. Don't even think about anybody coming for you because I never called them. Nobody knows you're here and you better. Hope nothing happens to me. Because if I die you die adapted from the Stephen King novel of the same name misery is currently sitting at a seven point eight out of ten on IMDb 89 percent on Rotten Tomatoes three out of four from Roger Ebert himself and 3.9 out of 5 on letterbox. I think everyone always loves this movie. Yeah, it's especially this time of year. I find any time from Christmas on it's on it's a lot of the Christmas watch list. It's not a lot of winter watch lists, no watchlist and makes a lot of sense because it's about isolation and being stuck indoors. It's a little bit Cabin Fever e which is so funny because the day we're recording this. It is actually a snow day. We have taken a snow day. We're recording this way earlier than we normally do. Oh, yeah. We normally record it night normally the Most convenient time for us and it's weird doing this in the day like as I'm saying this I'm looking at a window and it's just pure whiteness because it is we're supposed to get 25 centimeters of snow today. So misery was a perfect choice. It worked out really well for this weeks episode. If you're if you're more familiar with the if you're an American listener and you're familiar with inches 25 centimeters is like a foot and a half. I was gonna say just a lot. It's it's it's just a lot of snow. Yeah, this movie is perfect this movie was Always on TV for the longest time. Maybe it still is I'm not sure but back when I was watching TV all the time this movie was on all the time. Yeah, and I think it's because you have performances from James Caan and Kathy Bates that are amazing. It's a Rob Reiner movie from a William Goldman script and it's not incredibly violent and it's a pretty simple premise and it's kind of a fun little Thriller. Like I think it's it's got a good audience. Yeah, it's more broad than I would say that most of Stephen King's stuff but I think a housewife might be more interested in watching misery then say The Shining or Cujo. Yeah, I mean one of the rare instances where there's almost no Supernatural stuff. That is also true that might also just be for the movie. I don't think I've read this book, but I'm going to go ahead and assume there's no Supernatural stuff in the book do like misery comes back to defend. She's haunted by the Serve the People she's killed I got her know something like that. Right? I have no idea misery herself is a windigo exist just floats in on the Wind know another fun fact about this movie. We actually watched our VHS copy of this which we picked up at a thrift store not too long ago, which is kind of what sparked this episode initially and the tape. I don't know if I've ever had this happen before the tape was moldy. Yeah, like really No, no, it was pretty good. Here's a here's the thing after watching it. I will agree with you very moldy. Pretty fucking. Well, we should buy one of those tape cleaners for our VHS. It was pretty great though. I actually really enjoyed it such as the quality when you watch VHS. Sometimes you get some fuzz and stuff our whole screen kept fuzzing out for periods and it would be the most great like the greatest moments Kathy Bates would be like misery. Yeah don't ever like it it looks like a Video artist had taken this movie and just like put a bunch of codecs on it. And she's like made the weirdest most haunting art from the simplest scenes, but there were full section of the movie that were fine to watch. Yep. And then there were times where the VCR player just be like, no it's not working and turn off. Yeah, we are turned off. It's like yeah, we hit stop and then the screen went black and get it on DVD it took like to spit it back out. It's so it took like three hours, but we made it through we Watch Misery. I hadn't seen the full movie in a really long time like you I'd watched it in Parts on television. So I don't know if I'd seen the entire movie from beginning to end. But what I hadn't sat down and watched the entire thing and I think it's a it's a small story kind of the premise. You understand you get without having seen it but the performances of the two characters and the ebb and flow of this capture or captive and capped or are such a good Dynamic. It's a fun. Movie to watch a lot of fun especially knowing that I mean there are a lot of books by see you again keg where the main characters are definitely him. Right like he writes about Riders and like cool write what you know, and like however the idea comes to you just fucking go with it. But this one seems like almost the most personal like the idea of oh, I'm your number one fan. I just love you so much like what happens if that was a crazy person, you know what I mean and being like what happened if your your big ticket item what brought you your success? Was what brought you misery? So I'm so glad you said that there are so many good lines like this year because of the word misery itself. I wrote almost every single one of them down. I think you're one you're thinking of is I haven't been revealed. I haven't been a good writer since I got into the misery business. Oh so good. It's just movie should have been called Misery Business out of an eye miseries business their words yet. So many so many great uses of it where you just twisting it. I love that. We know that this character is somebody he absolutely It's he's come to despise. He really loves the fact that all he does is write these period Piece romance type stories with this misery character. So this is to find out that she has a pet pig named misery is fucking great. It's so funny. It also comes at a point in the movie where she's picking up his new book and one he's sick of being there. He wants to get out. He's still kind of believes. They're like, oh the roads are a little too messed up. Yeah, I can't go to the hospital. But he has he's out stayed his want for a welcome by that point. He just wants to get out and knowing that she's about to read his new book where he kills that character off for good. It's gonna be rough roads ahead and he wants out of there fast. Yeah, it's actually really great at the beginning because you always have this period in captive films where the captor is a little socially strange as in our last film as well. But all together like Annie's character in the beginning is she small town but she's like humble and warm and welcoming. She says she's a nurse. She splinted his legs. She said I'm up all nice there in the middle of a blizzard. So I mean the situation at first there's not really much cause for alarm or suspicion and she's feeding him. She's taken care of him. She has medical grade painkillers. It's like she's a nurse. Yeah. Yeah. He's set up pretty cushy like until until the The roads get cleared he's doing okay. He's going to live through this. We taking the time to explain how he got there in case it for anybody that hasn't seen the movie. Oh, he just got in a car accident can do a car accident. She rescues him both his legs are broken. He can't go anywhere and the roads. There's like a huge blizzard that block them all in that we keep talking about and that's why he can't get to a hospital or back to his daughter. And also the phones are down. Yeah, because you know, if you're in a horror movie, there are no phones. Yeah. Nobody will tell you that remote cabin just like Upstate New York was great when you were looking for us little Retreat to write your novel. But hobo is it awful once your secluded from the rest of the world and also the downside of the blizzard is that his car is entirely buried. So the police don't have any idea where he is as far as they know he just disappeared off the face of the Earth Yep. His credit card was last used at the end. He was staying at and it hasn't been used since and nobody's heard from him. Yeah you give me any We're from there back to New York. Maybe maybe he wants to disappear. They don't know but there's a local sheriff know something's not right about this. I feel like we're reading the back jacket. Yeah, kind of we're going to check in with that share of though with his super cute wife. I know their banter is great. They're so great. They're driving down. She puts her hand on his thigh. She's like dammit Martha. I don't remember her name. I'm sorry. But like when you're in this car, you're not my wife. You're my Deputy. I love it. That's cute. She's always nipping at him that like his desk is a Is a big huge mess so you don't work with your spouse. So Paul James Caan's character was on his way back to New York to deliver the manuscript for his new novel is first. Yeah, it's first book after miseries. Finally killed her off. He's getting back. He's writing something from the heart this time something about slum kids like himself full look cockadoodie language, which misery? Nope, not misery. I want to call her misery to I do. Yeah constantly want to call her misery everybody else in this movie other than the two of them is named Misery. We have a central character that we never see a pig. They're all misery. That's it. The sheriff's named Misery the town a town called Misery sounds great. Oh my God. That sounds amazing. Yeah. All right. Well foolishly he lets her read that book and she hates if she's so angry. She's so she shakes rattles the bed his poor legs doesn't she Smack his legs the same time. She just like she lifted the back legs of the bed and like slammed them down still rough. But because it's so full of Filth. She makes them burn it because he needs to free himself. Yeah, she needs to get back. He's got to write more mystery novels. She thinks she's giving him a gift. Right? Like I'm just gonna release you from this is awful burden that you put on yourself at that point. Has she read the ending yet? Or she hasn't even gone. I don't think she's gotten to the end of it Oh, you mean the like the ending of his misery of his new misery novel? Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know if she's picked it up by that pole. Yeah, because she she has him burn that manuscript pretty early on in the film and that's seen I think I'm picking that seen as the scariest moment the film there's so many moments where she's eerie and creepy but when she's doing that weird off-handed threatening where she's talking with her hands and splashing the lighter fluid on his duvet. Yeah, because he's holding the matches at this point and he's refusing to light the manuscript, but she's It up in a barbecue. Yeah next to him and she slowly dousing him in lighter fluid as she sang like you really need to do this. You need to do it for yourself you need to do it. God wants you to do it and like all this stuff and nothing she's saying is outwardly threatening but she's dousing him in lighter fluid. Oh, yeah. That is so is this clear Loki menacing? Yeah. She either burn the book or I'll burn you. That's what it comes down to what you want to die for your art because I'm also To burn the book after I burn you as well so and after this instance so he does end up burning the book. It's really traumatizing for. Oh man. It's so calm plays it's so well, yeah because he tries to figure out he's like, oh my my age and already has a copy all the Publishers have copies and then she quotes something. He said in an interview 11 years previous saying like Oh, no, you're superstitious. You only have one copy and she she quotes what he says like verbatim. Yeah, because she's his biggest fan. There's something so interesting about this too because it's so she's going off about his Habits and what he does where he writes what how he writes but at the beginning of the movie, we also see him finishing up that that manuscript he's going to deliver to his publisher. He's got a single cigarette a single match a bottle of Dom pairing young. How does she even answers are rigney on? Yeah our Perignon. Yeah something like so Dom Perignon long as Annie Wilkes would say so we know that he has habits and very specific habits and about halfway through the movie. She gives she She gifts him another single match to burn that manuscript. We also come back to that at the end of the movie as well. I guess just brilliant book book ending for this movie. But I love how his habits are always used against him because it just goes to show that this is a turning point in his life. And if he can escape out of this it's going to completely change who he is as a writer. He is in that transitional moment between the Paul Sheldon that he was yeah because he's also putting misery behind. He's trying to become somebody else like all of Is those habits and those Comforts that he has they need to go away in order for him to become a better person. It's interesting too because a metaphorical. Yeah, Annie Annie Wilkes also kind of represents the misery character. Like it's interesting that she is his biggest fan and represents everything that he hates about Misery. He has to kill misery in order to go on with his life. So he's gotta kill her as well. Like she's literally got them by that fucking coat tail. So after this point in the film, it's kind of like all pretenses are off. He stops asking when the roads are going to be plowed. There's kind of this weird unspoken relationship between the two of them were it's definitely understood that he is captive. And once Annie Wilkes reads the misery story and realizes that he has killed misery off like all bets are fucking off and she sets him up with a home office and he is to rewrite misery and bring her back to life in her honor in her honor. She's so determined. Isabel she is hold well this point you're like, oh she wants to marry him. Oh, yeah. There's even a moment later on where she says that I was in love with Paul Sheldon the writer, but now I know I'm in love with Paul Sheldon the man but I know you don't love me and like that's that that's that moment in like where it's raining outside. Right? Like he's been there long enough that snow has turned to rain and she sometimes gets a little boy. Oh my God, I forgot about this is so this is the creepiest seen like yeah rain always makes me sad and then all of a sudden he pulls a gun out. Yeah. Yeah. She pulls the trigger like she's just like she just wants to use it. Like I have to go now John. She says like I think about using this over that's right. And then and then it's like quiet for a minute or two and then she's like I have to go now. I think I might load it like what and then she just leaves dries off put bullets in it. That is the creepiest thing a human being has ever said to another human being that's has their legs in a brace in a bed in your house as a stranger. Yeah. That familiar situation. Everybody's been there. They do a really good job of making him seem weak like not not physically physically weak because it's somewhere around there where she's left the house during the day. He sends her off to get new type writing paper because this pays paper smudges. Yeah. She's not happy about that, but she gets so mad, but she drops a bobby pin. I think that's the real reason why he wants her to leave just so he can get the bobby pin because he's going to Fashion it as a key. A key to unlock the door so he can occasionally get out and maybe call the fucking cops, but even just that scene alone like that whole sequence is all about how hard it is for him to get around and how he can't escape but we begin it with how hard it is for him to just pick up a fucking bobby pin. Like the rest of it all plays out so perfectly because of that moment. Hmm because he has to crawl around and he can't he can't reach a doorknob. He can't open the door. He can't he's not in a position where he Steal a knife and fight back because he doesn't have the strength to do it. Oh and by the way when he finds the phone so he could maybe call for help. It's fake. It's not even a real phone. Yeah, like he couldn't it's not it's not even that she unplugged it or cut the cord. It's just not real. Oh man nuts take the interesting thing to about Paul Sheldon is that he kind of once he understands? He's in this situation. He like Michelle in our last film has a strategy. and of right away and this is where the really interesting thing comes from these kaptur movies because it all comes down to your characters and for him because he is without mobility and he doesn't have any strength and he's recovering he is using manipulation and trying to understand who Annie is as a person to kind of use it against her so he's often very sweet and Sly with her and he's got this kind of long con and we and we gather that because stops taking his pain medication and he starts hiding it in the mattress of his bed, which he's cut open and we obviously you can kind of gather that he's going to try to poison her and so he's really slowly working almost like crafting a story about this relationship blossoming so that when he finally writes misery back into her story and she's been reborn reborn to Annie's liking yeah, they celebrate dinner together to celebrate miseries return. Yeah, and she's not getting a candle so they can have a real candle lit dinner. He slips that whole packing into her drink but Butterfingers here messes up knocks over her cup and Spills the entire glass of red wine and all of the contents like a month or twos worth of pain medication. That would have at least knocked her out. Right like the his Escape. He's just watching it flow onto the table. Disappear and then like from that moment on the guys is completely dropped before he was like sweet as sugar to her and like she would keep blow him a kiss and he would catch it and like there was just he was really feeding into this romance this romance romantic delusion. She had and then afterwards she's like waving at him outside and gives her the finger through the window. Like it's it's really great the ebb and flow of how he's using his only resource which is the relationship to one prevent her volatility because of whenever she's unhappy she gets like crazy. Oh, yeah and to just to keep going another day so that he can hopefully get strong enough to get out of there and it's awful to because he he he what's that awful but it is kind of funny how much he hated writing the misery stories and now he has to write the worst misery story ever just to say to satisfy the worst. Is a refill. Oh man. It's nuts. Like every horrible thing. That could be written. She's like, oh my God, this is so brilliant. And then those this and that connection just like every horrible decision. You could possibly make to right into your character. He has to do it in order to please her. So just Pullin teeth for him. Right but every page keeps him alive another day. So at this point he's just writing to stay alive. And the worst part about that too is he's writing toward his own end. Because once the books done what's going to happen then right? She's either going to kill him or she's gonna have no need for him anymore. Like no matter what things do not look good. Once it's over and did you get the impression when the cop comes by that she was actually planning on selling that book? I don't know. I think she's just trying to cover her ass. Like I think she's just being overeager. Yeah, and she wants to show him that room before he discovers it mmm because who knows his name might have been on the top. Age that's a good point. But yeah, so like meanwhile while she's got Paul Sheldon and writing this book for her the cop is getting closer and closer and closer. He's reading misery novels. He's flying around in the helicopter there trying to find the car. He knows something's up. Hmm, even though everybody's kind of chalked Paul Sheldon up As Dead As. Yeah, they found his car at this point, but they haven't found the body he notices though that that somebody used a crow bar to open the driver side door, which means that he didn't get Out by himself, which means he's probably if not alive dead. If if not alive somewhere else then dead but not in the forest where they think he is. So he's gonna he's staying on the case when he comes across a very familiar line and want to Sheldon's books where misery is going to court and she says that I answer to what Justice higher than man and I will answer only to him something about that strikes him. So he writes it down and he keeps it and later on when he's in the library looking through old newspapers. Comes across a clipping of Annie Wilkes who's been accused of murder who said the exact same thing in court while defending herself. Yeah. This comes right after Paul also finds her fucking scrapbook of murder, right? He's got photos of her Pig in there. So it is so just like a regular scrap woman about like new child dead. There's photos of Misery the pig. Yeah, but there's also like a newspaper clipping of her husband who fell to his death, which is unlike the divorce. She is yes, not what she said happened. And also top nurse of the school fell to his death. Yeah, so she's just killing everybody ahead of her. She's killed a bunch of kids at the nursing home. She's killed elderly people at the nursing home. She has killed so many people now I wanted to pose this question to you. Yeah, and I don't know. I don't know what you're gonna say. Okay. So giving that Paul Sheldon is a creature of habit and he always writes the same. Cabin, yeah, and that's the Wilkes Farm like the cop knows it's the Wilkes Farm. Do you think this has all been a long con for her to intercept him at some point in his life? It's a great question because she does say to him that she knows he writes at that hotel and would go to the hotel and park out front and just wonder what he was up to. So it's she's essentially stalking him already. I don't think it's like it just seems like an odd case of Fate that she happens to be there to rescue him in this blizzard and she lives nearby. Oh, I think it's I don't think it's coincidental at all. I think she was following him. I don't think she was waiting for him to careen off the road so she could rescue him, but she definitely sees that opportunity as it came. I don't know that she ever follows him past the city limits. I think she just kind of like follows him while he's around town. Mmm, and then when he's gone, his book shows up, so she's got that she just reads it over and over and over and over again until he shows Up to write another book. I just think it's very interesting. Yeah, it would be maybe a little too convenient to find out that there were spikes in the road and that's why she was out there with a hose. Just making it a little slippery. I mean, I wouldn't put it past her character. I wouldn't either because she seemed very ready to help him out of that car. Yeah who carries a gigantic crowbar with them who carries a gigantic man on their back? I couldn't get that low you if we were in a crazy accident like I would probably like drag you a few. Feet and then give up and then maybe put you back in the car and be like, I'll go get help ya. I'll go find someone who can lift you like. I'll look for a sled. You know, I obviously there are theatrical trailers that are leading up to this and it's based on a novel that surely a bunch of people had read but if you're going into this perfectly blind, I think that's part of why they shot it why they shot it in the beginning because you wouldn't assume that it's a woman who saves him. Hmm. You were just not think that and she's so like Pleasant and sweet. Yeah, like she's definitely I lived on a farm or whole life. So she's just serves. He's painkillers under a Doyle of Doyle was a really great moment. There was something I wanted to ask you too. And I remember what it was. We haven't talked about the hobbling scene. I think we really need to talk about that. Otherwise people are going to be very mad at us. Yeah, that's the scene everybody remembers in this movie. Yeah, like her holding the sledgehammer, like if they they make an action figure of her it if it didn't come with a sledgehammer people would be angry. Oh, I don't be mad. I'd be mad. Mad I don't even care about actually if it came with the pills in the doily, I would totally buy that's that's a little different. Yeah, that'd be great. Use a coaster. Yeah, James Collins character just comes with like a thing that toasters most get a typewriter and I was gonna say a barbell with two typewriters on either end and he's got like those long shorts that they were in the 20s, you know, like the the swimsuit shorts the he's opposable feature is him being able to do fisticuffs or inside his wheelchair pulling the knife out of his sling. Yeah, the flinger Slinger the flings Slinger. Oh, man. I'm surprised he even went to sleep period oh my god when she wipes his foot you only see the one foot it folds. So realistically like it's I'm shuddering just like describing it. Yeah. Oh man, by the way, this movie is directed by I know I said it up top Rob Reiner. What has he done? Rob Reider at did this is spinal tap. He's done like some romantic comedy family ish type stuff. If you might recognize him as the dad in The Wolf on Wall Street, pretty sure he directed Stand By Me Right, but more importantly and you will recognize this like this guy's got like an insane career. You've definitely seen most of his movies, but I do actually think this would be a great double feature also written by William Goldman who adapted his own novel The Princess Bride. Oh, wow. Can you imagine two movies where somebody is essentially bedridden surrounding a story that they are creating and following All throughout this is a great double feature with The Princess Bride. But yeah, your brother used to watch All in the Family of a lot as a kid, right? Hmm. He was the son-in-law the Meathead that's Rob Reiner. His dad's Carl Reiner. Who is the writing partner with Mel Brooks? So like comedy? Yeah. This has been Hollywood corner. Thank you for that John. I have another question for you. Yeah, this one I figure because we're nearing the end of the episode. Oh, yeah, who would you rather be stuck with? Annie Wilkes or Howard man that stuff that is not rather. But like who would you of the to is yours? You're going to be held captive you would you get your choice of the two? Yeah who that's really hard. You think you might have a chance with with with Annie Wilkes because she seems to want to keep him around except when she gets blue. You gotta pay to play a more psychological game with a lie. Much more psychological game with a knee but here's but how does it come back to that hobbling seen one more time. His legs are broken. He's broken. Both of his legs. They are finally starting to heal and she fucking break some again. I can't I can't get over that. It makes me hurt. It makes me hurt so so very much but Howard comes with aliens. So definitely come to the islands, but he also comes with just like Snap decision and acid. Yeah, like at least with an E like there there is a real world. That exists at side that you could hopefully get to I guess now that we know there's no phone. There's no fucking chance that you are against Annie no matter what if I had to choose somebody to fight I'd probably rather choose a nanny. Yeah, I guess I'd rather fight Aunt like if it came to a showdown. Yeah Howard just seems way too prepared. Any is it's a crime of passion, you know, like it's maybe it's it's planned out. What am I fucking talking about? She's killed dozens of people. She's killed so many fucking be I mean, how are you could probably run away from but you have to be running around a table because there's not much room in the bunker to run. Howard's Howard could throw that body weight to right there's no stopping him to throw jubileus a military man. That's true. He wasn't probably knows how to shape though. You say buddy. Fizzy pops is drinking a dinner that's his first but then there's also aliens so like it's what do you escape into a world where you still have to fight? Yeah, so it's like it's like this captor and then broken legs or this captor and then aliens after I mean and potential acid like death means acid broke. Legs I got bad ankle and I twist it all the time and it's just it's nothing close to breaking it. I don't want to break it. But really you broke both of them. Yeah. So any yeah any I guess oh that is that is a horrible decision to make I'd like to see a parody of this with JK Rowling and Harry Potter. That's interesting like a crazy Harry Potter fan. That sounds great this this movie. Will you think this movie's gonna be remade soon? I don't think so eventually I Is going to be your major. I don't think this one is and less. Who is it that does all the Stephen King movies from Netflix Mike Flanagan if he wants to I don't think Mike. Yeah, right if he says so if my he's like, you know what I've still have the bed from Gerald's Game lets his next one could have been Dolores Claiborne, maybe because Dolores Claiborne and Gerald's Game are like mirrors of each other in some degree. He's doing dr. Sleep, right? Is he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think Mike Flanagan. Wouldn't touch a property that's already been adapted because he probably has too much respect for it like House on Haunted Hill. I mean like a Stephen King novel Haunting of Hill House Stephen King property that's already been as active. Oh, we haven't done rating. So what is your rating of misery? I want to give it a higher rating, but I'm giving it a 3 out of 4. I'm also a 3 out of 4 that end that final showdown, right? It's so earned where he just like smashes her over the head with the typewriter and it's just it's so bloody and he is up, but he's really up against the wall on this one because he It but he can barely fight and well, it's also the very end of the Rope like there is a she's already killed the police officer and she's coming in to kill him and there's no more time left. No matter there's no bargaining chip. There's no convincing her. There's no warming her over like she is convinced and it's happening. So like even if he's not at his Peak strength or not ready, he just has to go for it, but he still uses his charm to buy himself another another day like another few hours where he can write the rest of The book they can bring misery out into the world and then they can murder suicide each other, right but again like his habits. We've got a single cigarette a single match some champagne, but he finally gets to burn a book. He wants to burn it so that way she gets on the floor where he can Basher like it's a great ending. Hmm. It is such a vicious bloody fight and it's so worth it totally and you know, unlike most Stephen King story isn't was Stephen King adaptations. It ends in such a brilliant way. We're he's staring at the waitress who's coming to him who he sees as Annie Wilkes. He's like, I don't think I'm ever gonna get over that. I'm always gonna see her everywhere. I look and then we see that it's just a regular person asking if he wants a piece of cake, but no no she comes to say that she's his number one fan because that's very nice of you credits PTSD, right? So well done and like his the look on his face is great too because he knows it's not real but it still scares them but he's still something that's gonna be with him forever. Exactly. This is What's he's got to deal with now? Yeah, anytime a fan says that to him which might be every time he's in public but he stopped caring about what other people think he's not writing for his fans. He's not writing for critics. He's writing for himself writing for the fans is what got him into this mess kinda and it finally doesn't matter. He's writing something for himself, which is hilarious because he to escape he had to write for an e for his audience those fucking good movie. I want to give it a higher than 3.5 out of four, but it's like this. Have a lot to visit thing is it's just a simple story. Like it's really well done in the characters are great. But you could write the synopsis in a sentence or two. So it's just really confined. So there's only so much it can do maybe some ghosts next time getting maybe I don't want goes it would be okay, but we want to hear what you thought of both of these films. So tweeted us at and ofs podcast. 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Protect your ankles and keep your air locks, um- locked. On this week's episode of Nightmare on Film Street, your hosts check themselves in to two very inhospitable places that make the Hotel California look like Club Med. Join Kim and Kim as they discuss Rob Reiner's adaptation of Stephen King's MISERY (1990) and Dan Trachtenberg's continuation of today's most wild franchise 10 CLOVERFIELD LANE (2016). This week, Patreon supporters (https://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet) can enjoy an exclusive companion episode where we continue the conversation on 10 CLOVERFIELD LANE (2016) and MISERY (1990), and play a little game called “Oh Captor, My Captor”, available at http://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet. 