You're listening to fear processions with parallel coaching episode number 6. Hi. I'm Neil Bergman and in today's podcast. I'm talking to Darren stock a body transformation coach and we're talking about how to go all-in 168 hours with your coach to get the results. So stay tuned. Hi, I'm Jill Bergman and I'm Haley Bergman over the last 10 years. We've helped thousands of Fitness professionals to get qualified learned Simplicity and Coach clients with confidence with the first to say that learning and being a fitpro doesn't have to be hard work and that with the right structure support and resources. You can become a confident and knowledgeable Fitness professional that is dedicated for more. How do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a Pit Row? This is the pit processions podcast with parallel coaching. A massive warm welcome to you. Mr. Darren stock or should I say grandpa Porsche now for everyone at listening. I've known Darren for a number of years now since yeah, 2010 and yet I've got to know Darren not only in the classroom as a learner but as a very good friend and mate over the years and we talk and chat on a regular basis and it's an absolute pleasure to have Darren on. On the podcast today, we're talking all about his journey as a fitness professional and more so don't deep diving into body transformation and bodybuilding. So a massive warm welcome over to you down and tell us more about who Darren stock is or Grandpa Porsche. Well, thank you. Thanks for the invite. It is a pleasure to be here and it's a pleasure to help you with this. Who am I? I am a 46 year old grandpa no accident. But yeah been you know in the fitness industry for a number of years been training for 30 years. So kind of 30 years Jim base experience providing kind of fat loss nutrition and fitness to each and every one of you see if they've been training for 30 years. You don't look a day older than 30. So yeah, very good. So what what I love about that and that's why I want to dial into most is is the experience you've got in your own training and how you you've bought that into the realm of your clients as well. Yes, you've been training for for 30-odd years. You're in your mid 40s. What got you into training in the first place? How old were you got you there and it's an interesting one because if we go right back to kind of day one before I started to start lifting weights at 15 16 at school, but if we go back before that, I mean over as Judo six or seven or scrum for supper, that's one for the 2nd Army Cadets between the ages of 8 and 13. I swam for beckles Kingfishers are trampled the lowest of the Slumber everywhere about medals for everything and I have ever seen The badge there is associated with swimming. You got you got past your 5 meter then I take it. Yeah, I did the five me is and then I managed to the six seven and eight. Yeah, so I don't know what Then I was boxing 1314 and I was in the Army Cadets five years soldiers into the hill climbing and orienteering and rock climbing and all that kind of stuff that that I went back to boxing 1718 after I joined the gym that 15 as I say which started with school initially and then my sort of between 16 and 22 as where my my love of bodybuilding really took. Kaufman that desire to want to change the way I looked and I found it fascinating that you could actually Do you know you can actually change the shape of your body with a lot of hard work? And that was what I wanted to do. I wanted to change my shape. So if we if we go back then to kind of be the 15 to 20 year old. Yeah down stock from a from a body shape perspective. What was it but fascinated you most about about changing your body specifically, you know, I'm gonna I've not with not actually had any of this discussion before so it's super So what was it was it was it a case of? I don't know where you you know, super skinny. Did you did you were you over way? What was it about that transformation that fascinated, you know, I mean for me honestly, obviously we look around the gyms and the people I work with today and obviously yourself people that you work with will know that most people in the gym add some kind of either physical or psychological issue, which is why they're there. I was never bullied at school, but I was bullied by my My mom specifically so there wasn't a real concert was a real desire to be bigger, but it was a desire to not want to be bullied. I guess, you know where you didn't feel like we were inferior. So then you know, I have to think that there was a little bit of that in there somewhere but it did get regime did not allow you then to would you say escape the thoughts and feelings you had at that time and that just gave you A sense of certainty you knew that you could turn up and feel a certain way. You knew that by changing your body shape for the better from what you thought that it made you feel I suppose powerful is it was is that am I on the right track there or yeah. Yeah, absolutely, you know. If it doesn't say it was never it was never in need to be the biggest person in the room. And as you can see, I'm not the biggest person in the room. I want you to Quality. I want its definition of more into the lines in the past than total mass. So, you know, it was never about being the biggest person. So therefore I would automatically scare everyone else but it was about being able to be control of myself Nevers a lot of other issues going on in there as well. Psychological issues that meant that I had to have control over who I was as an individual and going to the gym obviously allowed me to have total control of my mindset and what I was doing inside the gym and outside the gym, so it was nice. It was my sources at one point, you know, as you say, yeah, I could go to the gym and and And that just allowed me to work out that you know, I could do a lot more things. Once I had that mental perspective over my body and my soul that control over what I was doing what to achieve and I think that was probably the main thing for me, you know in that age group so that kind of your own kind of self-liberation. I suppose that's allowed you to master the six inches between your ears along that Journey. Ernie you've learned an incredible amount of knowledge to apply to your body physically and now you find yourself working with clients. Are you able to take all of your past learnings and experiences yourself psychologically emotionally and physically and apply that to today's clients. Yes. Absolutely because I think half of them and it's the same with everybody everybody in the gym the knife they started last week already been in there 25 years everybody. in there for a reason and you know It definitely helps having some form of knowledge and understanding of my own personal reasons for what took me there. But I think the generalization of the understanding of what takes other people is, you know, as what has helped me, you know since then obviously with my own clients because I realized if it isn't just about to say some people are bullied some people want to physically feel bigger than the next person. So they're not pulling it some people just want to you know look better aesthetically as I I wanted to change my shape knew that I could change the size of my arms or with my lakhs or you know, the size of my quads or whatever. So I went on a mission to do that and I did you notice but yeah, it's definitely helped and some and forming I've seen over the last since I've known you for the last, you know, almost 10 years now is I've seen your body shape change. You've got bigger. You've got wider. You've got thicker. You've cut your muscle. You've yet more definition. You've regressed and change shape again and and back and forth, which has just been phenomenal and I love the fact you you know on all of your social media will the profiles I see you call yourself a body transformation coach. Why do you call yourself a body transformation coach and not a personal trainer because you are put a PT by trade, but what is it about? Transformation I suppose that's coming back from your your whole life experience in the gym. I suppose is it yeah. Absolutely. I mean, you know, yes you go under qualifications become a level 2 level 3 PT of some description. It's instructive full of what you like and you know that part and parcel of the qualifications that you need ever since go out and work. So they're almost something that I had to do I guess but in terms of body transformation hopes the difference between the two for me. Passing out was going to sold to me was a personal trainer. Yes, you pay them 20 pound our 34 now, whatever it is. We're we're kind of up or whatever and they give you an hour of their time and you know, so way to the by coming next week and It wasn't always this desire to make you want to change. You know, it's well, you know, you will be getting fit you will be Dennis understood that the nutrition side of it was going to be the Forefront of everybody's real transformation. So I went into learning about the nutrition side of it so that I could start to transform people easier quicker better improve their health and everything else with the same time the results then that you get as a body transformation coaches. So when I people ask you what I do and we say I'm a body transformation votes. They look at you going out to come. You know, what that means and I just always explained as being it's kind of the next step up for personal trainers are very expensive personal trainer. They do everything they need but they do and then I do a little bit more and that's kind of what gives you that tired, you know, as you know, I mean, I did a master trainer diploma, but it doesn't really set you apart from a personal trainer a little freezer. Level 3 to agree to have that those extra add-ons to cpd's that you've done to become a master trainer, which makes you different but I want to just fully stand out, you know a market myself differently. There's a body transformation coach and Market myself in the sense of the you pay for a job that you get that job done and it costs X Y Zed at the end, you know, it's 2,000 pounds for 12 and transformation for argument's sake that's what it is. You will lose to Stone you will look differently in those 12 weeks whatever it takes inside that yeah that time frame and and you know what? I I couldn't agree more what I find super fascinating is you're based in knowledge on you. Correct get along. Yeah, so you're not you're not in an overly affluent area in the grand scheme of things and and yet it's how you packaged yourself up as a body transformation coach and separated yourself from a mess. Asses allowed you to be consistently very busy transforming people's bodies irrespective of price irrespective of time irrespective of their their pressures. Are there barriers there hurdles, which is just been threatening to see you develop as a coach. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely as you say and it's completely different you are marketing yourself differently. I am busy enough. Golden happy with the workload that I have. I turn down work. I only work with certain people. I have that ability to be able to do that because I'm not trying to do what some of the other youngsters are doing where they're trying to do a hundred hours of eat to keep their gym happy and able to work 20 hours for free or whatever I get paid for every arrow to be and I do as many hours as I need to to get the job done and I think that's what I love about your approach as a transformation coach. Getting getting a client from A to B in a certain time frame because there's a very specific goal is your with and guiding them for all 168 hours of a week. You're not there on a Monday evening and a Friday evening and not overly interested or or focused on the other hundred sixty six hours. You're more concerned with what they do outside of your sessions versus nestling inside your sessions. Absolutely. It totally control everything they do inside the session as we know you spend an hour me there's a hundred and sixty seven hours of the week. Say that you're on your own when we do a transformation. I'm seeing clients four or five times a week. So we're having four hours of PT a week. Then the cardio on top of that obviously about them nutrition plans over the top of that and you know, I live in their back pockets. I take them shopping we buy food. They put it in the basket. I take it out, you know. And that's that's how it is and any problems that people get on there 24/7 that's what you're paying for. If he were to come shopping with me, then what type of food what type of foods would would would you be taken out? It'd be putting in the full fat coconut for a start and that would take they out and so on. Fantastic fantastic Service as I know you have a small pension for glass of that Coca-Cola every now and then it by my my love for for Coca-Cola has declined over the years, but it I'm not gonna lie would be in there. All right, but that's what I love about that. You know something I've done with with my clients historically as well is one one person Springs to mind. It's an older lady that used to work with down here in Plymouth. And her struggles with food when were very deep emotionally psychologically very deep her and we tap we tackled that but ultimately what came to light was. She didn't really know how to she was 65 years old. She didn't know what to put in a shopping basket. She didn't know why it was going in a shopping basket. She just knew that she felt a certain way when she ate room. Hey where ya been there and actually the education we had going to the local Sainsbury's what should go in how to use Those ingredients how to make up a series of meals for the week was just transformational for her. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I think the biggest problem we have today in the outside world is this massive confusion between what is on the internet and what somebody else might say and it could be a slimming group and it could be your best friend. Everyone's got an opinion or what we should have shouldn't be eating. I think the major misconception and the confusion is surrounded by what we're Hold on the news don't eat meat this week. Don't eat eggs the next week that you know fruits healthy and then you get married with a bowl of fruit. And then what brought Mary can't lose any weight because you see 50 kilos of fruit every morning but fruit is healthy. She's right. She's absolutely right because it's just been told that and she's waves you can't deny it but 15 kilos of crew in a bowl in the morning. It's not healthy for anyone but you know, this is where we're at. Unfortunately, and I think you know, We as fit Pros have a job to try and re-educate people properly. I certainly do my best and I hate it when people stand there and talk a lot of rubbish because they shouldn't actually be talkin about it at all. But they do they try to help but then end up making the situation worse by Sprout and a load of rubbish adding adding a lot more confusion to be confusing topic therefore adding more. No, and it's yes, you need a couple of it's a very guess you need this you need that. Do you need an excess of anything? Nope as we both know it's about balance. But yeah, cool. I want to I want to kind of segue back with this motion of body transformation coach and go back to the early stages of your journey again, and you know one thing, you know, we've spoken you know many times about is you actually getting on stage. Age as a you know, having radically changed your body body shape body Aesthetics body appearance. When was your so you've gone you've got into the gym at 15 you've gone through, you know, the Army Cadets and been active you've done it a lot of the orienteering you're gone into box and you've done all your swimming clearly your body from a very young age has been exposed to a lot of frequency of training different levels of intensity different modalities of training different time bouts of training. You know, I like It kind of fit principle, but what yeah, when was your first show and what was that? Like tell us more about that? Okay. So the first show I ever did was years ago now a big it was yeah, maybe it's 2010-2011 the Great Yarmouth just a local show, you know, very few people in it. No one was in shape including me. Yeah that that was my first insight into the scary world having, you know, been a part-time bodybuilder purely for fun and Aesthetics and the enjoyment of it for a number of Is I never wanted to convey that that was never in me. I didn't even notice somebody you could do but obviously in the last sort of 10 or 15 years, it's become so much more popular and I felt that it was something that I needed to do a for myself something that I should have done when I was younger and be it was a way of showing my clients that I'm able to do what I ask them to yes. I'm a firm believer in never asking someone to do something you would be yourself. So yeah for me to sit there and Eat whatever bullet born if you like, I don't but food spur 12 16, 20 weeks, you know, it's local if I can do it. You can do it. Don't sit there and tell me you can't do it because it can be done. So how do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a fifth row? This is the fit processions podcast for parallel coaching. So, did you give yourself for that? First show. Did you did you kind of did you give yourself a very clear 12 weeks or 16 or Two weeks. Yeah, see this is as I've learned over the years. This is the problem. Everybody gives themselves a standard 12 weeks. Yeah. I don't know where this 12 week diet from from know. I work on at 12 weeks in that 12 weeks. I know exactly what you can lose. You can lose 12 kilos. All right, you can lose up to 12 kilos anywhere from North Point 1 to 12. Yeah. You're not gonna lose any more because I don't think that's the correct approach. Yes. Okay, I could make that twenty four kilos at making these two kilos a week. You won't be very happy with me. But and so I have a set limit. But when you work in the bodybuilding World on the competitive world, you have to work back from what your body fat percentages when you decide you're going to compete so if your body fat percentage is 30% and you weigh 90 kilos and we're looking at you losing. Potatoes you're not going to do that in 12 weeks. So really what we're saying here is it's not it's not a guess. There's no hit and hope it's a very calculated reversed engineered like you say. So for example, right now, I'm eighty six kilos body fat percent for me personally right now end of October 2000 19. I'm at about 15% Okay. So for now I can do you need to lose 20 percent of your eighty six kilos. So that's what nine and a bit take you down to like 7778. You're going to stand on stage at 78 ripped to shreds, right? Yeah. So then you then no point six point seven a week or whatever .9 a week over 10 weeks. So point 6 point 7 / 12 to 14 weeks. It's going to bring you where you need to be. Yeah. Okay, then you've got allow you want to be ready two weeks early. Now you should be ready to stand on stage two weeks before showed a and then you might want to allow another week or two because there's bound to be a cock up somewhere along who's going to be a hurdle. And that's what I love about the the kind of a body transformation coach standpoint is it allows you to pick and set a very audacious goal on on the flip side? It is definitely going to challenge you and the client or you personally whoever's doing it, but we know we know it's achievable. Yeah, absolutely and attainable and that's the beauty of it is you can now sit there and comfortably you can never guarantee an outcome because like you say, you don't know how quickly someone's going to reduce fat or reduce way of what barriers are going to show up. However is for best calculated guess going that's it. That's all you can do, you know, you have to kind of say you work back there is you know that the maths behind it, but what people don't do is they just don't start 12 weeks. Nothing, you've done it for however long your body needs to die for and if your body's a little bit stubborn you might find cheap the first two weeks ahead of the some females. First two weeks. Don't do anything. There's a slight all what are you doing? Somebody else? I'll lose free kilos in the first week and you're like what we need to slow this down, but then the body does that for you the next week you only lose a kilo and a half and then the next week you have quite a team, you know, this about needs to be and the third week will always show you I've read the The lane Norton's contest prep dried. Have you read that or heard of it? Yeah. Yeah Line opens up one of my mentors. And so I am I loved reading all of it. In fact, and one thing that came out was the the calorie deficit or what you should be looking at losing each week and form an adherence perspective or a realistic end outcome perspective was looking at you know, no more than really point six point seven point eight of a kilo per week. And those those people that were set a really kind of a lowest. Weight loss per week actually ended up with the best outcome versus only hurt the person that's going after say 1.2 1.4 one point 8 kg a week. The deficit is so great and the workload so great the likelihood of a falling off of that goes up. Yeah, you you got the chance of when you start going above the Realms of Aikido weeks when you got that kilo 7,000 calories, you've got to lose as a thousand calories. Values you only th of it being the total amount that you can use because when you look at that kind of 2/3 1/3 ratio between food and exercise, so we're talking about losing six or 700 calories from food and three or four hundred calories to exercise, you know, you're not going to go any more than a thousand calories because 600 calories is a lot. Yeah, you can switch that lets go 3 400 from food and then let's burn through. Hundred fifty on an hour of cardio. Let's go in a 350 on areas where four plates. Let's hope we get it to me pop in the back of that which would give us that extra little boost. We might be a little bit more but you're still looking at a thousand calories and a thousand calories really is the maximum you can go to in my eyes and in my experience of however many people they were however many years now because you go beyond that as you say you either don't stick to it. You're constantly tired. You're always hungry or Minimal 5 to 10% muscle wastage lost that you are going to get you inherently going to get then becomes a little bit more because you're lazy and ultimately what it comes down to is is this whole regime is no longer enjoyable. And and yeah, we only as humans we only do things in a deer to things but we find enjoyable. That's right. That's right. And so as I say I started off in that kilo realm way back then years ago 10 12 years ago. No that point 6, that's the easy. Do you find it is if somebody wanted to then lose weight not just from say getting on stage. I think for a relevance that for the listeners is for almost any client that wants to lose weight. It's the same principle, but if somebody wanted to lose weight from your experience is it let's say we wanted to lose a thousand calories a day. Is it best to say be biased towards a making that form a food deficit or a Eh, oh, eh, oh, eh exercise output. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know what? I think that's a very that's a really good question because me personally, I would rather eat the food and then work it off snap. And the reason being is maintaining that fullness does something to you having a food in you does something to you that taking it out doesn't do so and my bike children fat so I to jump back in Baby, if I'm burning say 700 calories and I'm biased towards the the burning of calories versus lose net from food. I'm not actually replenishing the body enough necessarily to to recoup and repair that of the damage I've done from an excessive calorie burn. Absolutely. It's exactly that, you know, the essence of dieting is to eat as much food as you possibly can while still losing weight. Amazing though. If you can diet on 300 calories of food at 700 calories of exercise that's much better than you diet and on 700 calories of food 300 calories of exercise because you were too lazy to get up and do the extra bit because keeping that food and keeps you Fuller he can you for that nice to attention, you know blood retention. So you've got the, you know, the fluids are in there. The nutrients are in those fluids, you know. You get the fullness you get a better workout. You get a better recovery as you were saying which is the most important thing and there's no good. Sometimes slamming the you know, doing all the exercise doing three hours of cardio a day or whatever and then slamming a load of food in that the end think that that will make it right. It doesn't and you know, You have to eat the right amount of food for you as I say and try and maintain that level and make the deficit from someone else. Yes at some point. You are going to have to remove some food and that will run for 6-8 weeks until your metabolism adapts to that and you might have to drop out another 20 grams of carbs, which is another 80 calories or 25 ounces of the cocoa is a day and you'll get another ride for six weeks before your surely the early stages of that of that die. In regime of that routine making it as easy as possible for at least the first six to eight weeks when you do start to change the balance of calorie burn on calories in and start becoming strict do again surely that transition becomes easier because you've built up this habit for six or eight weeks when it was easier. Yeah. Absolutely. If you I mean I was trying to break a prep down into sort of three phases. It doesn't matter if it's 12 weeks or 16 weeks or whatever. Let's say 50. In weeks this particular one is right. So we got three lots of bars. So the first five weeks it'll be easy right you cleaned up your diet you've taken away all the things you should really be in you run into these really, you know, Pros unprocessed foods that it should be any way to be fair and clean up shouldn't be that bad because Coca-Cola comes out. Yeah, that's it for the Coca-Cola. They've gotta do you owe Bounty bar that you share with a wife that's gone. And obviously in Wright V is and that's what everyone needs no rice cakes, right? So first five weeks you should be losing that point six, but you can't she just be happening. You shouldn't even know you're doing it. You know, you probably don't 15 minutes cardio at that point. Then the next five weeks you might the cardia my God to half an hour five days a week, right? You're still not doing an hour seven days. I've never had anyone doing that. You know if the diet is right and the effort is Right cardio is the right cardio done at the right time and there's an importance in that, you know, it's not just let's just do some cardio for an hour. No, let's do the right card you at the right time of day and utilize time frame we have you know, And that's how you get the best results from and then Emma last five weeks. So then the last five weeks. Yeah, you're going to be doing the maximum amount of cardio, whatever that might have to be for you for your physique could be 40 minutes 45 I've ever done 50, but I still only going to be four or five days a week. Alright, so we're going to be 7 because if you're doing seven now, and you're on 800 calories and you can't get out of bed, and you don't want to go in the gym and nothing's happening. You're not you're not growing. You're not losing fat. You're not you know, your body's not operating correctly and when you're in that and when you're in that stress State regardless, all you all the physiological systems are in a sympathetic stressed place your right you're sleeping for six hours last five weeks. Your sleep is rotten. You know, I always check my clients in the last quarter four to six weeks. It's like every week that I check in as you sleep in this room. Yes been a while. I'm sleeping for you or I wake up every two hours right now. We need to change that because it tells me something's going on the carry on doing that. You're going to start having hormonal issues. So then we can look at that. So there's a lot of things that come out of the information, you know, the feedback from the client on a weekly basis, which could potentially stop them from getting on stage totally so they could almost sabotage themselves in that final five weeks. Most people do most people do I've seen coaches do it to people, you know, and the next thing you know, they're on I am the calories and get started. What are they what they call it? Well, they just take all the food out. So it's not like a carb load but they're taking all the carbohydrates out of their diet about two weeks out and then they stuffed full of carbs two days before the show and then wonder why they look flat and it's like your body can't absorb that when you haven't had it in there for two weeks. Yeah, and the body needs carbohydrates to produce energy. So, how do you think you're going to go to the gym? And you know in four weeks you are hanging out of your backside and you have to go you have to go in there and make magic happen. And if you invest the energy that you can happen is gonna happen. I see these people dragging themselves around the gym 12 weeks out for Shogun. And yeah, well, I'm prepping on like by like a hundred grams of carbs and 12 weeks out. You know, they do have an era cardio every day that's only going to increase and the food's going to go down. Yes. It's a CNS through the roof cortisol through the roof insulins coming in left, right and Center. I'm not losing any weight while while they are in play and if you're really unlucky your store everything that sounds like a real Catch-22 A Real Fine Line and balance between them and know, you know the success you've had yourself personally, but So I've seen the Transformations and we're talk about very shortly and for people you've got on stage because they've just been wow. Some of them recently have just been absolutely mind-blowing to see the before and afters what an error. Yeah. It's so to jump in is what going back to that first show outside of everything you've already spoken about. What was the biggest lesson you learn whether that be physically or emotionally or something about the the plan the the cardio the resistance element or the nutritional the mindset. What's what would you say is the biggest lesson you took from that first show that you said? Yeah. I okay. I will never forget that and every Everything lion. He is this story. Yeah. Okay, so I'm going to I've never talked about this because I don't like me for that show to feel bad. You'll probably never hear this anyway, but that's not the point. I had the utmost respect for this guy at the time. So it was a bodybuilder local bodybuilder little bit of knowledge. You know, I like to think they had more knowledge than me. So I paid into PT me to do legs each week because I needed someone that would make me throw up and not allow me to stop even though that is not normal in my genetic makeup anyway, but so I paid this dinosaur look so then gave me a dime and I ended up doing a ketogenic diet for six weeks going into the show the last six weeks in the show, right and I felt like dr. Over. It was horrible. It was really horrible. That was my first experience of a keto diet. Okay, so you're not only was it wasn't a great one. But the thing that I learned the motion that or what I took from that because they didn't understand the time the issues that I had metabolically but then having worked with Lane after that dinner metabolic damage seminar with him had a seminar with him. I then realized that the coach that I'd employed before and actually If that bullet damage through this Ketone style diet for a period of time which was too much too long unnecessary and everything else. So on the day of the show, I didn't actually look my best far from it. He accused me about week 12 of not sticking to the diet. And at that point there was no salt there was no condiments are has no sugar in my life. There was nothing right. I mean I said no to everything. So then to be accused of not sticking to the diet. I was really angry and I went to the show looked abysmal. He didn't show up that annoyed me a little bit more but then it wasn't until it was explained to me. What metabolic damage is that? I realized I had suffered exactly that and that was to screw up my metabolism for a length of time after the event. Where is six eight months before I could even really start to eating it, you know, and then I Those that this kind of metabolic adaptation was real, you know, I love about that is is how you've just added to some lots of like missing pieces to my puzzle, but I've seen in your journey as well because well one thing I see on certainly on your social media with your client sees is how enjoyable you may get help how fun you make it even though at times there's a calorie restriction and and things do come out with diet and my last few weeks of prep our tough foot. Or anybody yet. The impression I get is is it's very much blessings. You've learn from what you did wrong are the complete opposite of what you do the complete opposite to how you operate now with that if that makes sense. Yeah, absolutely. That because my experience where I am today in terms of the nutritional side of it. I've been eating, you know, let's just say chicken and rice and broccoli since I was 16, so, you know, I've always had an understanding of that food, but being able to put that into perspective with people has made a massive difference. Yes. I've got girls that get to that point, you know, the hormonal changes surrounding the time of the month. I might give him something, you know that just cheer them up for five minutes. It just makes me feel better. You know, I've been increasing fats. It could be an increase in carbohydrates. So we going to be junk because I don't agree with that but they are going to have an influx of food for a couple of days or a refeed meal notice. I say refeed not cheat meal during during that prep and you know, we create the space for that to be able to happen and then when they need it they get it and if that changes, you know their emotional or the mental state and that's fantastic because what I don't want is some He's going off and you know, you can see that within people if the six inches between the left ear and right here is in the game, but body is going to follow right? Absolutely. Absolutely. So one of the you've mentioned a couple of times and I've mentioned as well Lane Norton who I've done done some bits with as well. And you know, I find extremely fascinating what for me personally. I've never got on stage. I've never done any kind of I suppose formal body bodybuilding. I've not worked with clients from that. But I do I suppose follow the set very very similar structure. But you follow for my everyday clients. Yes, and I've loved you know applying verb, I suppose elements of a contest prep from from Lane Norton to to my clients. What else have you done? You know, you're qualified as a PT Master diploma back with me in 2010 2011. What have you done since you've done the metabolic damage course with Lane Norton you've already mentioned. Yep. What? Can you down to further understand this phenomenally complex world of nutrition and training? Okay. So yeah, so the first I think I think Lane was first up to be fair. But anyway, I work with physique Elites which were part of body power and that came about through Neil Hill. One of the world's renowned trainers and Chris Fe who is explain a little bit more about I know who Neil Hill and Chris where they're from Wales on this South. Whales yes, I know I know quite a bit about them for the purposes of our listeners. Who who are they who have a trained? Okay. So Chris Griffin is was part of bodybuilding.com a while back. He was originally started out as a journalist, I believe and then went into his a natural body builder. He's now gone on to produce certain supplements page muscle and he's got his own kin group in India with another friend of mine get chamber whose his manager. So about three or four gyms now, It could to get from Jim's franchise. So this work on a Chris comes from and he's the guy that developed the dtp training principle, which is dramatic transformation principle, which is all about massively High Reps and coccyx and all sorts of things has nasty works very well and we did one of those sessions if you remember back in the gym at well-informed. Yeah with what Jim did we go, too? Yeah, that was a big introduction to dtp training for me for from you through this Carolyn and and it was probably the toughest leg session I've ever done. Yeah, I mean actually bitch but Yeah, no, just you know those kind of thing. I've got a leg workout appears that you can literally only do every two months. You're not allowed to do it that was rules. You're not allowed to do it any more than that, and it's called the quadratical workout and it is radical and it will have you on your knees and it will have you Cryin for your mom and you don't want to do it for another two months because you're too scared to know what it feel like if you did it next week to go again. So you've worked so you've worked with Chris and under Chris and Neal he'll who's Neal. Don't kneel he'll Flex Lewis trainer. Somebody really big names over the years people like Lee Priest William, but neck recently Rani recently Grammy recently the new Hill he's the founder of the y3t trade in principle, which is about, you know, different ranges so different weights up on a three-week turn around and it's a very successful principle. It's one that I teach my own clients and having met him and listen to him in a I decided that that was what I wanted to do. So Lee really getting into the fitness industry was partly because of him because I went to him afterwards and said I totally believe in what you're trying to sell here. How do I get on board and been a part of that and he said you need to be a personal trainer. You need to have been working for two or three years you need to do this. You need to learn that when I click OK and I walked away from their picks up the phone and I put my level 2. Oh and you know the rest is history. But yeah, I did that level 2 level 3 then I did a y3t Academy which is a six month Online Academy as away free tea master trainer. And also the body transformation Academy which was the Lazo Freeman in London, and that was an online six-month Academy and again yet was through the with rehab jalali and people like that all they connected. So yeah, that's pretty much what I've done education-wise Rehan with the Sports Nutrition transport supplementation the amount The active ingredient of supplements that you need to take to be effective a respectable. What's actually out from the side of the Box? We find a lot of supplements out. There are under boost in terms of what your body physically needs. So yeah, it was laying metabolic damage Rehan all about supplements and nutrition in the Su attrition God's, you know, you work with Ben Affleck to get ready for Batman these sort of six pack diet plans got radio shows. TV shows just did a film with Alex identical such which is all about the supplement industry is what I love about. This is a journey is obviously you started off with me in the Marble Arch venue. We had yes, Ryan Houston Street for level 2 and level 3 and and some of the extra CPD courses you came down to our Swindon venue to do kettlebells as well. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah that I knew was just really the start you had this phenomenal underpinning knowledge itself, but what I've what I love about your Chinese you recognized actually the more you learn the more you can help and the more you can us and you've really Niche down. However cheesy about that is is you've allowed yourself to to be fully not just qualified but confident in your knowledge to work with both male and female of different ages to have for body Transformations and you've gone and seeked out the best in the industry from those over in India those over in the U.s. Those in this country you've worked on line to make that happen as well to chew top your knowledge up so that you can deliver a product or service. That truly does get results. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean as you say timeline with people, you know triathletes as you know in Andorra Northampton, you know various other people around the world Lincoln, you know. Hold on different things and yeah, my time faces eighteen year olds to 65 year olds. I mean, I don't care how old you are. But okay how underweight or overweight you are you come to me and tell me what you need and we make that happen and it and there's a price attached to that so somebody that say wanting to get into Fitness in the first place. So let's say they are on the verge of a career change or thinking about getting into fitness, or maybe they're already doing their Fitness qualifications. What advice would you give someone that wants to get fully into a full-time Fitness career? If there's one or two bits of advice? What would you say very from your experience what to do? I think the best piece of advice I can give anybody if they came to me and they were searching for somebody to work with I would always tell them and say, you know, you can go over some of these bigger companies and all that but they're just there you just a number they take the money. You need somebody that is as conscientious and Hugh are you know because my job to work I expected a hundred percent part-timers. They expect a hundred percent for me. They won't be 24/7. They want to take some at three o'clock in the morning to ask me. Is it? Okay that just woken up is it? Okay I eat biscuits or not. I and I have to be available 24/7 So I think there was somebody that you know as a learning provider who offers you same as what you expect to give yourself amazing, but yeah be the client you want to be it's always the way isn't it? So, you know like you say but yourself parallel coaching, you know taught me things and I put people to them, you know, some of my clients have gone on and done courses other one did one recently with the bank. Boomer body 7 trician she's now going to go on and do another course with that. We may work together in the future. She's been a part of time in six years and there's every week six years to see me just a baby change your job and all that. So she's now looking to do something within the nutrition side of the fitness industry based on what you've learned from me, which is great. So yeah, always look for the right best dentists. Look at the provider that everybody uses somebody that's going to look after you cares about you as Acid so many many people believe that you know changing career can be challenging. It's overwhelming and it's almost it's almost like too much to handle. Why do you think people believe that say starting out in Fitness or changing career into fitness as an example or any career for that matter? Why do you think people find it overwhelming? Yeah, I think you know as you say it's turned into any personal fitness itself is more overwhelming than a builder or happened to me, but I'll change. In busy it brings on the pier doesn't it? And as you know, you know the fears that we have instilled it still by us not all worth it you get there over time. So, you know people are scared to make that initial jump. They're worried about the money coming in or you know, any concern certainly wouldn't go work for somebody where you're and 300 400 pounds a month right now. So a Valentine's or someone and you give them phones. Yeah. Immediate physical fight it before you've even started favorite fear and fear of failure and feeling nervous feeling anxious very their emotions emotions. Yes as simple as being happy. Joyful and excited never to have an emotion and they yeah, they they can come and go as quickly as a heartbeat yet so many people from from where from what I experienced aliens talking to are parallel Learners and a nose that we support that with other. Any providers they're crippled by this overwhelm this fear that stops them from moving forward all together. What advice do you give give somebody to break free of that of that overwhelm bat that fear? Okay. So what I would say to my clients, there's no I have fears around some doesn't matter what it is. It could be spiders. It could be gravy as and it could be learning to become a pimp through your fear is your fear and I always say the magic The social standing of the bottom of a mountain and looking up at the top. Okay. Now you stand there and you look up you think that's going to take me like days together. But the longer you stand down there thinking about it less likely that's actually going to just put one foot in front of the other and yourself. Okay have the confidence in your own ability to be able to walk but left in front of right in front of left in front of right and the next thing you know, you'll upload your at the top looking down going that was easy. So how do you learn qualify and kick-start a zap it broke. This is the fit processions podcast for parallel coaching. It's a belief and confidence absolutely self belief and self confidence. Don't let that fear overtake don't override. You being controlled? that so so little even on leaving on to that and I think you know, I think so some of the the fears that I hear about daily certainly with, you know, I get to speak to literally hundreds of training fit Pros every week from those with parallel and Bows, but with other providers and they talked about this this report that after 18 months so many people are no longer in Fitness and you know from my research It's very icy percent of those with start out in coaching or Fitness or within the coaching realm so that could be not just say within PT but it could be within Sports Therapy. It could be in any other therapy. But within 18 months people are those people 80% are out of the industry. Why do you think people are falling victim to the industry and giving up? Okay. I think I don't think the industry itself general term, but I think it's usually the Individual and I've met fit groans that have been absolutely awesome but on a parts and then I've met people who are absolutely shocking as Pit Road, but constantly busy. Yeah, so it's not you know, nothing. I've said to some people, you know, it's a real shame because you're one of those people that just won't come back in two or three years time, but you make a great ET and it is hard to find that balance, but it is about being self-employed. it's about having that ability again and the confidence in yourself as an individual and what you're trying to teach and then been able to sell that and it is a hard industry because it's a continual to rotation time to know they come in like seats just for argument's sake but my world with a 12-week Transformations can it be 12 weeks ago so really what we're saying is you've done all of the courses all of the qualifications got all of that knowledge to to A particular result and I believe what what Fitness professionals love doing most is actually just working with the client. But that's the hardest thing is how do I get my client in the first place? How do I get a referral out of that client? But also once a client leaves, how do I go and get another client? And another guy? That's right. Let's continue. The underpinning thing. Here is is we as and I was guilty of this for many years when I first started out is I loved the process of actually working with the client what I Tickly enjoy or appreciate or value was the underpinning self-employed business aspect of our industry. Yeah, absolutely. And that's hard. So people come to me for different things, but when that job is done if done they're normally gone. Yeah, so then it's like right now I need another one and that you can't have an overlap with The Gap because it was you're the only one. Yeah, so you like but this one's going to finish in three weeks. Let's get another one ready. Right? Sometimes I put people off but start them two weeks later because they're filling the Gap, but no, I don't want to be inundated with work for three weeks what I really What is that person to start Republic time and that comes down to having again for belief and confidence that that client is is a going to wait for you because yes and not going to go to another another trainer, but then you've positioned yourself not as a personal trainer, like everybody else for Mercy's you've positioned yourself as a body transformation coach tourism. There's a key couple of lessons in there isn't there. Yeah, because people come and find me you want me, you know, it's what I do they Go in any gym that they like fine. It's the Wall of Shame of all the pictures that mug shots. I mean dumping PT then you did they got it. Yeah. Is that person going to be able to do for them what they need to be done that they're not really sure yet, but they know they can see my results that spoken to people I work with they do who I am our do it, but it must if they come to me. I don't really have to worry too much. They're going to go somewhere else. Yep. So let's take some of the people you've worked with then if it's okay with you you don't necessarily have to name names. But who would you say has been your number one? Body transformation, whereby they not necessarily got onstage. Maybe they have but who are you most who you most proud of and tell us a little bit about that Journey. So probably about a couple I think they're on par for different reasons. Neither of them have ever created. So yes, obviously a transformation from somebody who's in shape to being straight edge. Is still a transformation in itself and it always excites seven Transportation goes but the people that I have the utmost respect for those that come to me that were 20 30 kilos overweight and then lost 10 kilos of that and then and I had I've got one girl that still working with me now. She's lost 30 kilos and issues a hundred eight, which is now 18 attention ratings born half or something other week. She needs to be should be followed. She knows that but we are over up with it. Okay? Okay. Yes. We've been working for some time. My weight has gone down from backup free videos and down sixth graders come back up through here. I've experienced everything River but within that experience for her, I'm always learning. So how quality of life must be radically different amazing absolutely amazing and to tie these two together. There was another girl that did three transportation for back-to-back, right? There's a little bit of time in between difference between so the person second one part of in like six weeks apart. Then I think was about six months between two and three which she came and lost Ten kilos the first time 12 kilos and x 5 and 10 kilos and exhale whatever each time to smash the outer part that each 30-odd kilos. Wow. Yeah, two grand a pop. So she spent six hours of power will be over two years or whatever because you work with me just going to PT level as well before and after that we had a reverse that will kind of expand out of the back of the transformation. Why don't you I really love about that is it goes against the grain, you know? I'm a firm believer, you know, once one PT isn't isn't dead in our industry far from it, but not like what I do believe doesn't necessarily get results. Is this kind of paper our versus pay this is paper result. It's an open-ended goal, isn't it? And yes, you know as well as an opportunity to is for too much money. Not enough paycheck and and some and suddenly a session has gone in week 4 of the month because the client had an mot on their car come in and yeah, we usually about now actually everyone drops out of Christmas and the end of November because they don't have saved over to the user November paycheck. So I have 10 people drop out at the center and it happens every year. I think I'm january-february. You get a whole load of new people versus met were always able to afford it in the grand scheme of things because actually they just did a budget publish like this transformation, but then you deliver a very specific result. It's a package you're buying a package you're buying a nutrition plan and training program. You're buying that Our face time you're buying it 24/7 proximity. We've guaranteed you've guaranteed to lose X Y Zed. Otherwise you get your money back. Yeah, you know, it's a whole different thing, but what we can do this in that time frame not well if you just come and pay me for a pound a week or whatever. We'll see where you are in six months time and also need, you know to you need a lot of weekly clients pay per hour to make Okay money versus you only need a couple of clients per month. Let's see thousand pound of pot before you are in a very different financial situation, which could again explain why you've been in the industry coming up to your tenth Year? Yes. Yes it is that yeah decade getting old grandpa Porsche. So of our parallel courses on the specialist courses around level for to kind of just add another string to your bow on you as well. But we talk about that shortly talk about say what have you got one one or two case studies where you have got somebody on stage and you've had a phenomenal result and you're really proud of what they achieved of are placing. Yeah. Absolutely, right? Okay, so a couple really Mustache goes everything to me that wanted to be on stage and never competed before I just went over as a client for a number of years and I knew his feelings when I write it physically to be able to do something. So we started to do a little bit of a diet. Please thought about, you know, contemplated the idea of perception on stage and identify arranged for her posing classes with a friend of mine over nesset. So We went over there one Sunday went to the country club, you know in a little Studio drugs opposed classes at this person. Joanna was doing the Fit Factory body power. She was she was organized and she was one of the judges she said to me hear you really good shape. He you do really well like, you know, it must be a factor. So this girl was like, you know, we're time to do it do it. It's not a problem. Jimbo of May is a whole body power the whole a funny type of 70,000 people and she just goes up there and just Wings it will try, you know, and ends up with like hundreds welcome vibrating goodies and left me in tears also mistake that was phenomenal. Then I had a brother and sister come to me the sister came to me first, they both got phenomenal genetics and she ever been before. She was anorexic when I first met her she waited about forty six kilos. I think wow and she's 22 23 years old both five but six she was Tiny. So we worked on you know sighs we've got our up to and have her on stage exit at 50 kilos forty nine point six or something gross looks very straight shade under peeling. shredded bigger than what she was rich, ninety six months beforehand 46 kilos when she lived till and she got a third place in the load the show that PCA College. Wow, and that gave us an invite to the British finals in the October. Wow. So we turned up to the British finals. She beat the girl the British the British finals. She beat the girl that second at Norwich who they think six at the final so she outclassed her we had the pictures of Norwich and we have the pictures of Birmingham the final She was pick up for a lot. She's a fat second shows his first show. This is like six months apart. So not only as we put 6 kilos on a train and made an abortion, but then we'd also managed to make a little bigger but still coming on stayed exactly the same way in the November October and and then she got a world invite from the British invite and this is a girl who never been here before. So wow. Yeah, it was knowing what I know it's a you know, as a person as a lover of bodybuilding Senate proceed to do that without I could change that. All right taking somebody from not really thought about competing and and having various can you know concerns with her own body in terms of food and you've been generous and anorexia in terms of like that the emotions behind that this isn't the podcast to explore explore that is as a topic. but when to work with to change her views of food check or work with her on her values and beliefs around food and body image to go on and do a local show vented to place and be go to a Nationals and then get an invite to the world is, you know, again that all of your first year holding your first hit from your clients Journeys, what would you say is for secret Source fee for you as the coach to assist in the clients Journey. What's the secret sauce that imagine? There's lots of things if you just took one or two things Max right now that made this happen, but you were an integral part of their Journey what is lat? Secret sauce, I just you know what? I think you know, you have the best diet in the world even at the best training program in the world. None of them matter if you don't have the mentality. T you have to be happy happiness, well your stress and the stress we're not going to losing weight simple as that, you know, so I've always tried to keep my client scrambled. I know how important it is for me, you know, my wife won't tell me things that will upset me in the last four weeks of be going onstage because I don't need the stress. Yeah, that's the time frame when you're eating the least amount of food cost. The den the most amount of work possible within periods. So it's the toughest part that loudly know that last trimester shall we say the last third and yeah, I don't want to hear that someone I don't know as died or so irrelevant. So if it's going to dress me she won't tell me so so everything of of the nutritional game irrespective of game in the gym, what it comes down to is managing the top three inches. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's the mindset that I'm going to send the mindset because if they're not in the game mentally they're not going to do the diet. Going to go to the gym and fine, but they're not in an open. One of the tanks. We got the energy is managing stress. I want to move on I got a couple of learner questions. So I put an email out to our parallel community and you've seen some of these questions already and I just want to address the so Darren RC says I've just finished a book called bigger leaner stronger. I'm not sure if you've read that at all. I had a personally I had a quick look on the on the old Google for it. He couldn't believe that the author claims that to build muscle The Sweet Spot of Rex is 4 to 6 reps. Darren's just finished his PT. Sebastian, you know. The one thing we talk about is hypertrophy is in a rep range of 8 to 12 rep max. So Aaron's question is my question is from reading the book as long as you progress in way or overload. Can you build muscle where any rep range or is it 8 to 12 specifically proven to be the best don't know you can build muscle and any rep range as long as Those horrifying things are in order one of her favorite food aggressive overload asleep. You know you have to have what is about Building muscle is easy to a degree. It's not as hard as people think but it's not easy because if you don't eat and that goes with that goes with eating the right amount of food at the same time that you know, you'll wait to going up to allow you the energy to continue button the weights up so that you can continually get stronger. You have to go to the muscle fibers to gain the strength that allows you to pick the next wait up. So yeah any rep range will work in a getting done back to say Chris kept Mill Hill you looking at Neil using three different ranges over three weeks appreciation only High Reps. That's what Chris is built amazing physique natural physique, which is one bodybuilding shows. So yeah, I think what it comes down to really is is other variables outside of just the rep range because obviously if you're going to do four reps at let's say two seconds up two seconds down. That's yeah four seconds per rep across four reps at 16 seconds per set. It's probably a bit quicker than that based on four reps is probably going to be well would be very heavy. To achieve overload for RM so that the time under tension for one rep is probably going to be quicker than two up two down. So yes, when you take a set of 12 rep max or you know something, you know, you talk about further dtp program where you're doing. Yeah, they 30 40 Reps for time under tension or the exposure to that particular load is going to be far greater compared to safe for reps. So yes, the more you've got more exposure to The Eccentric phrase. You've got more. Exposure to tearing the muscle. It's about create as you say it's you know, if you do six reps and us two seconds up two seconds down, you know, you you're talking about 24 seconds. Yeah. Do Chris's btp translate you're talking about V of X evenings took one second speaker seconds. Yeah. So your time under tension is doubled. Yeah, the volume is increased which is another Factor. So time under tension being one factor workload or well, you've been another Factor. Yes, you're going to lose use less weight and vocal poundage is that it's a one variable. I like to have watched his total poundage across the entire set but also the entire session. So if I if I lift, let's just say it's a hundred kgs on the bar on a deadlift and I do it four times. I've lifted 400 kgs. Yeah, whatever. If I now I'm not going to do the maths on the podcast for you. Oh, yeah, you know if I if I obviously I've got a reduce for weight on the bar to do higher reps, but become the end of the session but then did 60 reps with it. You don't 2500 instead of or hundreds and as a variable goes, you know, certainly the research I've read and the results I've seen from from people is that's a key variable just outside of just saying well how many reps am I going to do more? So how much weight am I going to lift total? I do think that there is one thing I will say, I don't think there's a variation and you build muscle not with the red range because that's a given you any rep range. The only difference being is the quality or the shape or the size of the look of that muscle. Yeah, if we look at lifting a heavy weight, yes, you will gain you gain Mass how I've always lifted High Reps because I swam three miles a week for five years so my body is This year it's a little bit more Raju 810 reps the matter how heavy the weight is. Yes. Okay, it's heavy but it doesn't really tax my body. Yeah, if I do a hundred reps with half the weight, I'm in pieces because I'm using the different Energy System. My body is used to being in that Energy System. Yeah, but you know, Mass. Yes heavyweight if you want the definition of detail, and I think he's coming down to exposure as well if I lift. For reps and I do for five exercises in that session, but the recovery times gone up to a degree potentially before I can come back in and and work that muscle again versus doing say 15 r m so I can now import increase my frequency from a week and a good friend of mine. He often gets asked. How how did you get your back to be so wide and so deep and he's got on stage and number of times and Very simply says every morning he does three sets of 12 pull-ups full body weight pull ups and he said, you know, it might not seem like much however come the end of the year the amount of reps he's done and the amount of pounded his lifting and he I think he weighs in at about a hundred and ten pounds. It works out to be the equivalent of like a Boeing A380 or something like that. Yeah, and he said, you know, very simply very small simple steps everyday have incurred. This huge amount of poundage coming end of a year versus somebody that did back once a week at 4rm. For example. Yeah, absolutely. Is it was a fact that I was doing these things every day? Not my Vitas. No, I just seen how many times we could get the word for Ivy to into today's podcast it. You know, we're actually afford a sports quite good. So let's jump onto jet gemma's question. I got one more line of question and then in two final questions before we wrap up and Gemma laughs what's been your biggest challenge, we talked back and forth myself and Jammer on on email and she was quite interested the fact that you're coming up to your ninth tenth year in the fitness industry and she wants to know what's your biggest challenge you've come across working in the fitness industry work my videos. I didn't explain it. Tell me more about mr. Working vidiots. What's been the biggest challenge? I mean always changing Jim's is a new challenge isn't it? And I've worked in all the gyms across the city to be fair. I haven't worked in all the little ones. Works a little bodybuilding gyms around here. But yeah, I mean it's a change of scenery and we're going back to you know, something else except code that that fear is always appear as mm. So you start something new you gotta get holding a bunch of clients for the first six months now, we're going to talk to you who you are but then after a while and you know, depending on who you are and be being me people start talking to me, but yeah, I think a change of scenery as as it has been a challenge and outside of that. Every single client and they have is their own individual Challenge and I love that. I love that because they all bring their own thing. They all need something different from me as we know and I say it on time again. There is no deal here. There is no one-size-fits-all. Everybody is an individual what what I've Loved about about your whole journey Darren is if I think back to when we met in Marble Arch, you're talking today nine. Zone almost 10 years on with the same level of passion and ambition as you were then and you know it I see a number of fit Pros for have been in Industry just a few months or just a few years start to lose their passion their ambition and bear why and I think that becomes their biggest challenge versus you know, what? Yes, you know, what why I think you've been incredibly successful is if you've not let that ambition and passion die or go away you're acting as if you're almost brand new to the industry still and treating it with that level of respect. Yeah, but I think you know every day is a new day. Because every single day I have a passionate desire to change another person and if I can do that whether it's been for free or we're Rockin paid for it. I don't really care as long as I can change the world one body is amazing. And you know, I think you know, we've spoken I don't know how many to ridiculous but we could talk forever, but I have two final questions for you make based on life today all your experiences from right day dot in the swimming pool doing a long distances boxing. In bodybuilding getting on stage take in, you know clients to radical Transformations alongside getting them on stage and being invited to the world championships and whatnot what three things or tips or advice? Would you give somebody wanting to start out in Fitness or coaching find yourself a reputable Learning Company C learn from the best. The only way to be the best is to learn. Going somebody that cares as much about your fitness journey as you do. Yeah. So number one somebody that cares just as much as you how you want to be treated and and go from a number two. Number two three the client you want to be Eve a client what I mean by that tell us a little bit more. Always but hey, that's the person that you want to attract lovely the time you want to be. So if you want to attract people that don't turn up you go out on the alcohol at the weekend and or all the party things or whatever they do. They don't show up for their sessions if you want to be that person and make sure that you're doing as well. It's take you seriously and you want A hundred percent of their attention you have to give them a hundred percent of your attention. So practically a Cheesy as it sounds Practice What You Preach? Absolutely. Yeah. It is exactly the same and a number three. Spend your money wisely. What do you mean by that with it with coaching or being a coach or employing a coach spend your money wisely always look at the qualifications of either the people that teach you as a learner or whether it's you know, you hang a personal trainer. Make sure the person that you are paying knows what you want to learn. Yeah don't waste coming myself on Hailey of done as you know, you know, we've had a number of I choose ourselves. We've always looked and said, you know has for Coach achieved what it is, but I'm after yes a recent example is we've tried to all we have very successfully changed the way we do a lot of our emails and we get in a phenomenal response. So we went to the coach in the industry how of what we know to be the number one person in email marketing and you've got coached personally and mentored by him. Which was Paul Moore and and it just groundbreaking, you know, there's plenty of other people we could have chosen but by going to somebody who's already had a result that we wanted that's right was wasn't it? It's not about two different conversations. Absolutely go to the person doesn't matter what it costs. Don't go up. It's not because they're expensive. Because you don't have enough. Yeah, that's what they charge and that's what you want. Go and pay them it will be so I have one final question for you down before we log off today. And first of all, I want to acknowledge your time not just today but also your time your energy your effort your approach to training right from day dot when if you remember we were standing under cover escaping the rain outside the Marble Arch venue back in In 2010 and the endless amounts of coffee is that we'd pick each other's brains over in Marble Arch Park and I just want to kind of acknowledge your first for Learning and you approach to the industry today and we've all that said what's your definition of an outstanding coach? I think an outstanding coach has to be somebody that has at least if not more passionate about what you're trying to achieve. Will you do alone? Hiding, you know that that is that is all there is to it really is that you know, as you say, yes. Okay. I know that later in built action. There are people out there that have no passion for this industry. They just fanciful change job and whilst that's okay. They are the people that fall by the wayside. But yeah, so always look for somebody who is at least the same amount of passion, but that particular thing whether it be triathlons reverently. Amazing. Well Darrin that brings us to the end of today's fit procession. It's been amazing having you on I just want to say thank you one more time. Well, we're can all the listeners go to find out more about you. Don't lie. Yes Instagram Baron Porsche Facebook Facebook page Steve Russell makers. That's the best place to get hold of me fantastic. So I do is I put all of that in the show notes and links out so you can find out more about you. They'll be down below up here. I have here wherever and outside outside of that Darren. It's been an absolute pleasure and we look forward to having you on again soon. Thank you very much. My pleasure to be a game called take a bus. 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FitPro Sessions Podcast Episode 006 With Darren Stock – Body Transformation Coach Today’s podcast episode Neale interviews Darren Stock, a Body Transformation Coach that has worked with clients for almost 10 years and had phenomenal results. Here’s what we talked about on today’s FitPro Sessions Podcast Body transformation, weight loss and getting results with clients by going ALL-IN for all 168 hours in the week, not just the one hour that they train in the gym. Grab the FitPro Sessions Podcast show notes: Timestamps: 1:00 Who is Darren Stock – Body Transformation Coach 2:30 Starting an interest in fitness and sport from an early age 4:00 Changing the shape of the body with Body Building 6:50 Using the gym as a method to switch off and relax 9:30 Why the term “body transformation coach” and not “personal trainer” 11:30 Standing out from the crowd as a Fit Pro 13:30 168 hours and all in 16:00 Educating a client on nutrition principles 18:20 Darren’s first Body Building Show 20:30 “You have to work back from the Fat Percentage that you want to achieve” 22:30 Setting a realistic weightloss goal 24:30 Having a low target is more achievable – losing 0.6kg per week 26:50 Weight loss via nutrition deficit or exercise output 30:50 The right cardio at the right the time 34:45 Lessons from Darren’s first show 36:00 Problems with keto diet and very strict nutrition 42:20 who is Neil Hill? 45:30 Niched down to become a specialist with top class knowledge 46:45 Advice for someone who wants to start a Fitness Career 47:30 “I expect the best from my clients, they expect the best from me” 50:25 How to break the fear of starting out 50:46 “Imagine yourself standing at the bottom of the mountain looking up, but the longer you stand looking at it the less likely you will climb it” 52:00 Why do you think 80% of new fit pros leave the fitness industry within 18 months? 54:00 Having a self-employed mindset and focusing on marketing and sales 56:00 A client story of body transformation 1:00:00 A Sustainable PT model without pay per hour 1:01:00 Client body transformation to be stage ready 1:06:00 What is the secret sauce as a body transformation coach to assist in the client journey 1:06:30 Stress, happiness and sleep 1:09:00 Learner Question: Rep ranges for building muscle 1:16:00 Learner Question: What’s your biggest challenge whilst working in the fitness industry 1:19:00 Based on all of your life experiences so far, what 3 tips would you give someone wanting to start in coaching 1:22:00 What makes an Outstanding Coach? 1:23:30 Where to go to find out more about Darren Stock Learn more from Darren Stock, Body Transformation Coach: Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/TeamMuscleMakers/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/baronporsche/ Start your Journey to become a PT here: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/become-a-personal-trainer Download Free Mock questions here: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/fitness-exam-mock-questions • Check out what learners are saying: HERE • Like us on Facebook: HERE • Follow us on Instagram: HERE • Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: HERE  ---   Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/fitpro-sessions/message 