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Hello, welcome to across the park extremes of Mills the alongside Neil for another NFC special but delighted to have accepted midfielder that ain't he's paid on the Big Joe Walter Smith Howard Kendall and he's going over to Australia with Robbie Fowler through bit of coaching over there. It's of course Tony grunts Tony. Thanks for joining us on across the park. Let's go right back to the star. We were talkin talking off air they had about you. Your dad was an amateur football was a big influence on you want to play football? Yeah. My dad's was was a well-known really decent decent player back in. Day one as we say in see before when amateur football was on a really good level right across the country. So he went on to win the the national Corpus and other trophies left-footer. So I grew up with hearing about Ray Wilson and the eyeball and candle and and all everything about 7 and I was good because I think in his school is school was was just another old here. Yeah, I think put some of these are speaking to a lot of people. A lot of this area was quite blue I think because it ever would rather good team back in the day. Hmm. They were all grew up with blue. So we all grew up was blue. Yeah, she's bigger than for infants on ubn at sonja's while you had no choice, you know, it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't like one of them means that was an educated football man. Yeah, so he was never there what people classes at bitterblue. Now who's a tunnel vision? He was never that he supported ever and that was the end of it, but he knew good football, you know. Football new go footballs. So if there was if the Reds were playing a football and the Eagle football is me that knew that yeah, so it was never a naive enough to think all that is the end of the day. He supported evident. Yeah, and I went to my first game watching ever and and I was in the 80s that's that's all what appeared to be a fan. That's Superior to be a fan that I imagine a lot of a lot of Blues. Of my ear and no other choice a lot of them would have been ever told Ians in my era. I got the tail end of that the 80s. I just seen the end the sharp and I see a lot of salt all and things but you know, so jealous of and I was there I was there wouldn't be viewed when we pay musical. Yeah. What a game. I remember hearing it as share that year were young kids would never knew because there were so many in the stadium. I don't know what what what Goldust inhale them these but there must be an extra fifteen twenty thousand and they because everyone was it was two fellows and every chair still remain shells and everything. Yeah when you you I am subject to that atmosphere. That's when you become a blue. Is that your best memory as a fan? I am in. Okay. Did you go to Wembley? And that was yeah. Yeah. So that's when Leah went to the let me go in the milk up when he's at it once ok, but everyone got imposed the milk up when I remember it rain and really bad. Maybe it wasn't a great game starting to Liverpool 80s little yeah and remember not having a great spec. There was a we're all wired in them days. Yeah. So I remember that vividly and then obviously I went back a couple of times. My mum was a read/write. She's got brought up a red. So we went back Ramon Campos one of the finals. But again, we lost the year when you score for us 86 Lennox. I wasn't that we want to look at evidence lockers the when I was a Schoolboy or ever well who's the midfielder to score the Consortium of course, but We'll go Soldier back then. Look at Wembley was all fans together all just seems like he's very very much together. Yeah, fuck another item number of it camera. I was growing up and even early 90s the cloudiest he's a dreads in and then we don't the college will change that was it wouldn't have the way is the way that one of the things we do the Pod for try and be friendly the friendly rivalry because we feel a bit guilty. It's our generation has tendency when we don't know how so I think it's just the way life everything changed. I was then that's just football. So yeah exactly. It's are you and how did you manage to sign for ever and was duly Co-op school boys back in the day when you play for your school team. Everyone has good school team. You played your school to your playlist A Team. You're playing a Sunday. See you applying so much football and you just hoping one of the local Scouts would come out and watch you. Um, like here and invite you into training. That's basically what happens. So a Liverpool 11 Scout would be at games and this day I never the Scout seeing me said Benson passed away now said you had one of her legendary State. Yeah. Yeah. Well Nolan on the you'd say if it said he's got something a hell of a lot of plays for Everton. So he's invited me in and that was it. Then we used to go in once a week to train at the night time. And then when you're off school used to go in and and train through the week, so that was our their introduction to heaven when you're a pro contract at 1993 was it would have been the whole candle here. It was a when I when I left school, I joined ever and Howard was the manager the second time. I never really seen Howard path. I'm walking down the corridor and yet that all and Howard's knowing new shoe on import was walking and she is sidestepping. So I never really see much of how a den but then how it went and Mike Walker came. I was going to say did you feature under it's a seasonal was our remember might walk upon me and I was playing really well in the reserves and time and you pulled me and said to me you pull me in. I wasn't that far off the first team and I was 17 because I was training with them and it was just as good as them. I'm going to pull on me saying to me you're doing really well get your agents are coming tomorrow. This will give you a new contract, right? So I went home ladies open spot Simmons answered. He pulled me in today and said this and the next day you get up and you got Zach helps. All Joel came in and I had to go prove myself to 0 then you training with the first team and Joe Joe came in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, look at you and I think it was January 3 came in November and January you came on at Newcastle. That's right. Now men fighting for our right? Yeah. That's what I'm saying when I was growing up whatever and all my early times a football to show me stuff was always fighting radiation. Mmm. So looking nothing. Now what I know about football now, which others are going to a team fight and relegation than it is to go to a team who's playing with all the freedom. Yeah. That was one of them players who like playing football, but when you put the shackles on players because it's so important to get a point then it's it brings different experiences and different Dynamics to yeah, that was definitely the case that you fold a Buick you br, all of them are pleased as a number 10 of bettinger. I think I didn't slip score 3-2 as if for the first time Half and second half if that's just didn't work for them welp later Willie to change it will eat onigiri with a number two, then who had a lot of Shia 10 days Willie put me on the wing and basically it was a Wings job to run up and down at a and try and intercept and block tackles and one there wasn't much Freedom allowed. Yeah. It was only when probably it was the year really when I broke my ankle. It was that year down here. I was playing with a lot more free than It was the start of the Season we were fighting relegation just year and I was when I was enjoying my football and I'm you flying asses will guess that 1960s until just before we move on from 95. And I know you ain't part of the FA Cup winning team, but you're on the bench for the college game and the semi is that handled one of them. They should only have two subs was being I'm oh, yeah. I mean, I'm more used to socialize together. Anyway. Yes, I am. It's Emma was it was a great guy? Yeah, let's be fair. They all wear or the lads all the lads were really close. What happened exactly? I mean, I'm all woman up and let me just that was another one of them are situations where you find yourself talking about it forever because of the Dynamics that day was Evan held three sides of the stadium some advantage that is crazy while the FAA allows it LOL ones who had been devastated if it was talking about and three sides and we had that example, we've got the three sides of the stadium in it. That was just another unique day forever and to talk about forever. Yeah. Was it like in the dressing room after that game was it? Just well if you're probably going to be in in in Leeds is changing room. So well even now leaves are changing rooms are really small the away. You couldn't swing a cat and Leadership right now. So obviously it was bouncing wasn't it Bo Quickly, we wanted to get out of it because we had used to be a restaurant in town with the cash retaliate is now upstairs. There was an Italian restaurant upstairs. Yeah, so we had a private party in there. So we were all looking forward to going back here to carry it on which we did. So you 1819 there a hero 94 that wasn't a 94 95. And so you say they you but also watching the 80s timor-leste Neville Southall big part of that few months later. You're playing in this testimonial, it's Elsa. Is that a pinch yourself moment or what year was that? That's some 195 was that you score past PSV in the following game. I was a man of the match and just rolled on your plate and South Poles stable table thousands down with them don't need the whole Bones the idea because we had ranges as well was that for? What was that for working? Just was Watson. Yes a vignette slice of Celtic and yet they were thousands down with them. Not one can score and they celebrated by the Celtic fans ran over to them. Nobody never was obviously one of these displays ever play forever and we all know that but then I joined ever and it's part of my and part of his team. Yeah and never never never back in the day. It's he's a character but it obviously I was a massive respect for them. Yeah. So it was all I can say in the South or was it a hundred percent in solving everyday? Love you never used to be in the rain and Before I arrived at straight net result is already on a session before I had arrived. He had like such high standards. So we at it's AI to be info 9 o'clock in the morning. I go upstairs never will be in this Kit full of sweat mode having a cup of tea and he's only just an hour session outside and that used to happen most days most and you know what he was doing. He was actually taking some of the young kids cultures it young goalkeepers and trying to improve them. Yeah. And some of them kids would go on some wouldn't because it might have been lazy. So I'll never never never used to put it on and some of the kids got got better. It's unbelievable. That is the lives of it. There is Storage and navigate about we love doing some shows like that that 95-96 season. I think he faced appearance was a forest became on said Paul Reiser also go and then you scroll the room past them Reykjavik. That's right. So you first goal Gladys, please ends. What's that like has never Sonia? Yeah. I know, you know to dance. Should have been one of them guys. We should go away more goals, but I never felt scorned your face one of those at goodison Park here by the street ends. It was umm, that's what you dream job. And when that happens, it's a bit surreal. Yeah, but it was always going to live a full life, but I'm still hoping I get my chances here in the sky commentates. It was said Grant Anna did you ever call that was like to sort of quite often actually because Jimmy get your bill gave me that name is Gabby was Like a big game Gabby was a big influence on me. Yeah, probably more than path means out probably more than anyone. So when Gabi got given the job of a couple of games Straight away the first person he put in the squad was me, but he didn't put me on or put me on the bench. And the reason being what he told me was the state of the pictures that we played Chef you away. He said Sonia player, but on the put you on a pitch because I was that type of player but Gabby I love Gabby Gabby at loads of time for me. So Gabi come up with that name because you thought I was like counselor. Yeah, even though I play deeper like that's what it you that that's right here. That's how I come across you move around a bit further past season. You're on the bench for the job. You don't feel C didn't get on but you your face is on all the photos. Are they celebrating? Yeah, you could remember being there for yeah. Well when a man feels some believe a largely, you know what it's it is because it's been that long I think that long it's been Kevin Campbell 99 Cents and that's it. Ladies was me but what's it like has never told me in being part of the squad goals and fill them with think walking us for me as a blue. Getting the results down field probably more than any. Yeah, because it's always been so bad. Yeah, even the great 80s themed. I mean remember when Sharpie scored a great goal, but we've never really dealt with never dominate a Liverpool at anfield or would never obviously we haven't won many. So the way we wanted that day and they scored two crackers. I was a bit of quality by unders on one or two of them. I think we was a well-deserved win and you know, it was winning that Outfield just was brilliant at remember the scenes of I think it was you and Daniel Makati just jumping on Android, but he was celebration player was what you think is the reason behind the the lack of Victories on field of obviously over the past. I think they were better teams. There was to be perfectly honest. I think I think that seem we've never really adds in my opinion since Andrei. We've never really had He was in my he was a on a different level. It could actually win a game on his own we've had some good players, but we haven't really had many of them players Liverpool of had better teams know. It's been tough. Yeah, it's being soft Tim. There's a mentality thing in that not really I don't think it's a mentality was the team's keep changing the managers keep changing. So the mentality would would be around the city manager saying Squad, but that's gone. I don't know. I don't know what he has a bit of blame on us as fans because I'm guilty celebrating and they'll know I don't fields are full time celebrating and you walk through standing Park then can I have a kill me for that? Because he's seen as gonna be done for know. What color do you think about it that went in my ear when I was playing we fought relegation. Yeah. I don't know what Liverpool a midi files typical that's who in NZ has already finished in La I can't remember but I'm sure they weren't fighting relegation. So that means if we're fighting relegation. We're not a great email. We don't know. All right, so if you don't take a gray tee and so a team and other team and the very good it's going to be really hard to get results. You might Nick a result now. And again that's just missing the results, but to actually go toe-to-toe with them and beat them properly. We've never really had a team to do that. Yeah, not since the 80s the 80s you can go toe-to-toe with them. Yeah and give them and give them a good game because Liverpool always been a top team. Yeah. Mr. Lamb how great your so if we want to go and not just never knock on next season just never one-nil and just defend what we want to go talk to. So we need to go back to you. I do you think we've I am a like the lattice lots of pets stages of last season where you beating like the Arsenal United the Chelsea that that wasn't that was masterful us as a club at a popsicle. That's all hopefully connect season we can yeah. Again the teams to keep winning and getting better and better, you know, what's a process of just improving every week until you've got a team that you can be proud of what you can go to places not just Liverpool, but you can go to mind you and Gil toe-to-toe with them and give them a right. Good game. Yeah. Now we did showed glimpses that last year didn't we agree? So I think if we can close on that, correct? Yeah. Yeah you get your for the job, you know wait for it. Well back to that 95-96 season but the biggest thing that really happens off. The season was Uncle he was jailed in October for instance often. Scotland's think he had bought it was a put-on mcstay upon because they think it was I don't know who he had busted. But what was the reaction like remember Joel Joel Royal and Peter Johnson? Were they were Furious about it? Because I think they said it took her advice when he signs and that this was not going to happen. Remember how shocked you out as a squatter team. Yeah. I mean sometimes a big part about worms a big part of the suggestion room. We all love to because He was a good guy. And obviously then obviously this is all happens next minute before you know, it simple is mm. Yeah, you know what? I mean? So I don't really remember tell me was it all it was in Battlefield on a tally or something was it found out so I can't remember him where he was also an hour's he's got up there and it was a massive part was my pal Nolan means we were Pals and all of a sudden these up there and be cast me to him. Anyway. Yeah, so He went massive loss and then he come back. He came back. I think in November he plays against West Ham paintings Newcastle in the reserves didn't exactly fall house. That's right. He's got a couple you went to swings and past season on Loan in January. I was lucky because you're scoring goals in your one minute and is a child were just saying you need to um, get regular time at all. I think I just wasn't play. I've always been one of them where I need to play me like Saturday afternoons playing and I think at that time, I don't know why it was weather. Always you've been with me feel that I can't remember. But anyway in some ways just playing a little bit was very day, then really there because about inaudible. Yes, so swimming come available to gonna play Steve mom is the manager good player. So I will decide who's going to play for them and see if I can learn a little bit more up there and enjoy me sign it or Steve McMahon later to work on the lens the time we had a good team lots of senior players in call the house play the swamp. It was the Winger for the chart number Holliday Allen. Paul. Allen was yeah another good player. Yeah, so loads of players and enjoy every time up there enjoy it you came back and you played Seven in a row. He'll come back what happened was finished the month and Steve pull the pin the officer. Look what is the state of the month? Do you want to stay and I went yeah even great sign here. So signs any for me back around two hours later to come in last and rip it up with my Mrs. Jones called your back - that's all right. It's playing my new possible. I won't play with a but I did okay on the back. Come on me and I nearly set the winner of I shouldn't I think it was for their Speedo might be a speedo or for Duncan. Right and we should have would last kick of the game. We went through a nice little pass goal is to beat mr. Put it so I left wind or whatever day. It was. I think it was a night game against manual way to man. You played in that game. Yeah, you start for the next seven and you score. Bora a volley at the alliance you Transit go see game with that poems that importance now I should have I've always what - it's a be more presumably play for for to so I was always been the Centre mid. So me all games being about making a team play so play with the team but I should have had goals in the game. But that's a school just cause it nice wasn't that about like put cause it nice and winning. Yeah. Well then Black Banner way, we want 3 in a land and Joe Royle was it him? I got a couple of calls. It's here. He told the I hold the time that you had the potential to be a superstar. There's no midfielder in the country who has all the qualities that you have. You can defend when the ball pass score goals. If you can put it together, you could become a truly outstanding. It feels as your coach now looking back. Is that spot on 1996 Tony grunts? Yeah. Yeah. After time is a sense of madhu could receive the ball anywhere could see things happening problem I had was Consistency with lifestyle stops, you consistency some time. So probably lifestyle was of it will definitely hindered me to do the heights that I should have and then injuries. Yeah, but then injuries can be caused by lifestyle as well. So it's can be a vicious circle put me Talent was never my talent was always there and sometimes that was probably a too much talent or sometimes because I try to cheat few days. It's really mean what he said that in a same article. He was talking about Joel Parkinson is big and Joel for England and he also said that your form was going to stop him lock on for the Midfield as you age or will say and that is that you're going to the summer are you flying out? I had to get back also. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah, but you know it was decided that all the talent in the world is just Little bit more education would have been better the season we just missed out on your didn't meet people on the last game today what's been looking back? And yeah, it could have been I mean you get into Europe things change more money becomes available. You might buy better players next season you start the season with some better players in the team play and better brand of football. Yeah, there's lots of variables that could happen other results there pull it never happened. So we did make a big sound like somebody speed came in. Speed so it was quality was events. Yeah was equal to run around the track name is Roger outstanding. Fella always smile. Yeah. Well, we smile and always wear that always give an advice encouragement. And leading by example. Yeah, Cleveland by example is he played left Midfield and Ray was right and it was you and Joel Parkinson in the middle and that balance was just like unbelievable because it really scoring goals and dreams Gordon tells you with dictating the play Joe was just saying I win it and give it to you and if you kept a team together for two or three years out of me the one a few things there. No. Well, that's football, isn't it? It's it's keeping its keeping what's good going and adding to it. We're and lots of clubs not just those but lots of clubs. Just don't do it. I'll see if you do it. Yeah. That's almost well. I think we nearly found Nigel Martyn never saw before was was was on his way. And then we didn't get a noise on Martin assault all stayed south or says in his book that he felt a bit hard done by then, Joe Royle says in his book that he did want to move Neverland and if he couldn't and the relationship became a bit estranged to see that inside was a little conflict between not really I mean, If never that's conflict, he wouldn't he wouldn't show it on a trailer park was he was a true professional it might serve either privately or not. Not not out in the open. Yeah. Yes that the season started. I think you're on the bench of the Newcastle game and then you came off into mine United face. You games don't come school to adult Rapids be upstaged Alan Shearer and the Newcastle Gabe is all about Shira. Yeah was thing to consider as a bit of a point to prove they are because the whole thing was about cheering he was like, I'm going to make a I'm gonna upstage me was you like that drunken busy, I think I think it's all comes with the one he had. He had a lot so much ability. Yeah so much ability. He probably could have could have done better than you had a good career, but he could have done better because for such a big guy, he could leap lots of big guys don't leap you could actually some I've seen some of the pictures over the years and you don't know if at all time for so by the time you get to the ball, it's such as a macular macula touch. Yeah. Loads, it loads of potential to be again. It's true great player and probably didn't fulfill all this potential as well. But that day it was just as that was just as potential coming out that day. Yeah, I think all of a sudden he's got to it also offers he played well against Newcastle and he's been linked to a already. Yeah. We were like we're going to keep all of them is as I said, I think I remember rightly. Remember the Inter Milan I think in some alarm looking to take them. Really? Yeah. We talked to Vegas and you just adds on I still can't explain it now. We may be your defined as well. Maybe you have the same growing up. Oh, you just clean yourself to these people and he got us he seemed to get us and he was the hero. What was your like ramp Outfield was he was in part of this was he part of the lads was yeah. It was Scottish only the not just similar to that. We should go back to me and we were adding the city. I've only so we stick together and he's a little bit like that through tsunami. So we talked to him and he talked to us. He loved the city, you know, if the people he was knocking around with know. And this city can grab you if you're open to it the city loaded up here and that's why a lot of them a lot of that Zu Sian forever and Liverpool over the user State stayed in the city most a the rounded because the people are great aren't they you're going to games with figures and from Soviet and Watson some table and you in great company. They're like, it was outstanding Captain. It was Captain throughout your time there wasn't it? Yeah, he's a he's not the true legend. See you should be seen as a true legend of the club should be yeah, I still love Dave what? Playing he was great. Another thing control Royals autobiography. He touches upon the neck Barbie sanon, and he says in hindsight. You should have got a striker because we're going to do it and we had to do we had and Ray and bring them Bambi and to feel at the fair possibly but they're not against Nick was Nick was a great player two footed. Trains outstanding everyday give you everything he had on a Saturday afternoon wouldn't stop running. Yeah. It was a very good footballer. So I'd like them to Bortnick but maybe both a strike as well as well. Yeah and starts that 96 season was a bit of a weird moments and reckon she asks those rumors that is that was taint he has about euros and he was he was looking to maybe get away. He scored passed Sheffield Wednesday No One celebrates with them and the Press astral Royal after after the game. Joe says you've gone too far away from we are Joel Parkinson on across the park extra and he said there was a little bit of that but the players could also see that under tables difference or what he was the day before he was he was looking to get away. He could speak English sometimes when it suited and sometimes he couldn't stand to have that relationship landed. I always you're always tired lately ship runs, right, but I never ever seen where he was that order. He was just always the same to me. So you're saying he scored in the one run over to Mike. The Camp's never be in all my time there the count was never been using them. It was always us. Yeah, so I don't say ever any ever ever and players are in my time. They're not celebrating. I actually do think he might have run too quick and we've been lacquered and couldn't catch him, you know, because and I wasn't a nasty guy, right if he ever said tian's you might have other dead simple that wouldn't that shouldn't affect us as Farmers different the second C is mostly he was flying in a fair season and in the second season he was Patchy mean sometimes it's cool one. I think Southampton is called to when you mount manner that you know, seven one and one of the quotes in immediate after the game that's not dancing game was grandmother match if Grandpa as well Kinshasa cosplay as well and in tan ever and play well, so these comments either coming out in the Press Now notes notes in your performances and saying if you play well makes haven't played. Well you were on cloud nine witness you fear and I think going back and Lindsay Android he wants to eat come from man you he wants to play with good footballers and we-we're dogs of war and then and raised come in here. He wants to play a better place. Yeah, and that's just like probably that's just like notice some of the players. Now one thing I could do is I could pass the ball and I knew when to pass the ball, so we had a good relationship. So probably when I did play well it gave Andre. Yeah good chance to score goals that with an answer and give me a chance of playing well as well as I need them as much as you need to me and them days. Yeah for your game for my game. Well when he left me you got it. Yeah because Took a massive part of my game out. Yeah as I've got no Pace now right sort of me. So that that used to release me without used to release me to find more space using Android 12 us on you're trying to make a deal with our certain others less space for me now. Yeah like this on the long game I could do something. You got a bad injury - yeah, and I think Looking Back Now, I think the the highlights of me because the fish before we got whacked a lot of few close calls. And I should have been more clever in the way. So it's angle before someone. I don't know if it's Kevin ball or operational accountability one. That was one of them gone over the top on the ankle and You've got a bit of a college, right? So your joint and the throat the college, so that's that's what I am the ankles don't back out now from them days on that. I don't will carry on as long as it did with that put it in one of them black people. That was the reason because if you stop me playing Everything else was in front of them. There was not a never going to go behind them. There's no quality going to go behind was a difference and I think that injury kept you out of it till the end of the season. I think when I was doing a bit of hair with the other piece h on it said you're on the bench for getting to Newcastle and January. So was it an attempt to come back? And I didn't know where I was because because the cartilage Is interesting but wasn't interested. It wasn't nice at the time. But when I got whacked. The college broke up, right and it was like foreign bodies floating around your ankle every now and again, it gets trapped in between two joints and soon as I got trapped you could collapse on the floor because my ankle all the sudden just couldn't take any weight. He's that just collapse. So I go to the physio. There's nothing to feel there's no bruising. We couldn't work out what it was. Let's go on crutches the next day. I had walking because it's released itself from the joints. Yeah, actually, yeah, and now it's just travel around the ankle but it hasn't gotten to any joints. So I'm now I'm walking so now I'm training. Yeah, but I'm walking even trainer I collapsed on the floor and I said, well that's gonna get me some crutches. I can't walk you're going to see the physiology don't know what it is. So this went on for a few months or so I couldn't put so actually when on the pit On the bench a couple of times because I trade I've gone on the bench and I never got on but if either got on I could have easily just collapsed on the floor and it was only when the actually operated on me at the said it was a bad father and Carla just floating around to the club just and yet ago and he absolutely was but it couldn't work out what it was. They thought he must have thought I was joking about her fear. She runs on too much. And Joel Parkinson all around Christmas seasons over. Yeah that's on our form. It's like a family doesn't like being shipped all objects. We recognize the pitch sure. I was in the kitchen looking and then it I think it just everything seems a little bit Yeah. I assume any injuries middle of the Park. Yeah, it was it was a bad time with their camp at the time here with Dave Watson came in was what's it? Like it's about you Captain to be to be the manager of a sudden. Is it different sort of the time it was It was tough at the time. It really was everything seems to be dark. We're a big cloud over us because we lost Andre with lost lost yourself there Andy and Joe through injuries, Joe loaded left and with the fans love to be wrong with Joe cannot be as a bit of platform and the fans that never change. I don't think there was a little bit of graffiti somewhere, but he was getting his name's on go home games. Yeah, big draw is blue and white on these banners and are we with them and assholes think in 97 and the summer? We were promised Andy Gray will be adoption and how Kendall comes back in. So what are you thinking a when I was back here is up to be honest with you. I really was because I love how it's never really got a chance to play for them the second time. And he brought in a lovely fellow call the with Buzzbee coach faced in coach engine heat wasn't raised in idiot. It was a lovely guy and she was a good guy. And they bought some young Lads and me he bought John Ostrander neighbors are the only came in California. All right, so I think he's being a little date book. So anyway, he bought a few young Lads in it just didn't just hit nap under the just didn't wake up. My comments are coming at you with me. It's a habit. We will include a finale Pauline was a lesbian and all of a sudden Tony Thomas rocks up on my way home what's going on here which Ward and they had cows with the claims to us for Susan me and a swap TI it you know, they made some tea made some decisions then and it didn't work before relegation ideas and me yeah comes and she wasn't last year's. I was going to get started for whe that I was going to say. If you start against a stone September was your first appearance as a photo of you driving on this is my keyboard and Danny cut math is cool and you ought to have a unity and say and I think We just never had enough good senior players rounds at the time to help the young Lads at the time not good enough. I'm gonna be chauffeured you would enjoy it again then so January was at the ankle again Muslims also different. Yeah. I don't know Uncle Dominic because I had a couple of bad news 11 as well. So it was one of the world you there, but I remember that yeah, I remember I remember sitting in the stands watching TV. I need to get back into thinking that and I think Crystal polish away. I got back in the team. Yeah, it was really on the season was it that was January videos. We got back in the team we would ya and I thought right we'll start at now, but an injury always got in the way and make this court apparently as well. That's right hospital ship. I think John comes back captain at a it was obviously actually use made Catherine spoke almost a romesco the attraction and I think speed left permanently and it gives on Coney Island and supposedly has a captain's on different. Oh, yeah. Yeah different not like Waggy. Yeah difference, but it was our it was our goal to man. It was at idle time. I don't go on psychology game last game of the season look like the Indie let's go and we hope for a better team out here with no disrespect. Yeah, the team has an area where were you for that we do in the grounds and the standard. Yeah, but your fingernails like a final. Yeah. What was how will I clean up stocks? That must have been social pressure is emotional. Yeah. It was an emotional day. You think real wishing wishing? You don't tell it's it's I would you put it emotional. That's what it was. It's so many thoughts going through your head ever made was a reality at one stage ever and who go into the champion of atoms. We are here. I'm Thomas Meyer it slip through his hands and swear to God it started raining when that happens and it's like it's happening. You know, we won the love and everyone was singing and then it started raining. It was one one and they were pushin pushin for the winner and being in the house. It was a horrible did you? Base after that or you just I've also I wasn't being down County told after that. So it was don't know what the rest of the last I know I would be think I was on there as well. That's almost Thomas matter. There was a character. So I was a good guy since I was a few weeks ago. Well last season of the game. It's almost has always been a lovely. Fella. Yeah. Not so much a character, but just a great guy. Yeah lovely guy thread Neverland go and never seems Isis it in a little glass the street so they keep us look more with you and it never seems that after respect. He was like that like the Empire of like an orchestra take the glass sleep wouldn't do not unlike that's how much matter comes and shaking his fist at isn't doing a little dance like an x 3. I think that's kinda Dave, you know, because we are dancers and this will be actually now and again, I think that's another thing. Yeah imaginary. We got a family before it was yeah chop-chop. The module day and all Fields. Yeah, he's a solicitor at the moment. No, yeah. Yeah see, you know, yeah, but not always he's got good ideas on football good thoughts on football played the game. So now it's good survey catch up. We always talk about football. Yeah, he's never known in his knee comes up Olivia. Yeah. So did you have an idea? How was would make it the next season after such a bad seed Yeah Yeah, you sort of knew. I think the club at the club had to make a decision and move in a different direction. Yes, what's it like for you was I forget he's coming in and going just to change a managerial FC happen or so often. Is it hard for you to know with you comin or Goin or as you get on it? It sort of becomes the norm. Yeah, and you just waiting to see what the next one is going to bring and whether you going to be past the plans or you're not so there's always that and then you know, you're waiting for pre-season the common idea realized and where you really are fitting if you do fit in at all, what was once an actually good actually? Is the coach coached where Authority also sat back and watched would put as is a dialogue over when these numbers always there to back Archie. Oh, yeah, so actually basically runs a the daily way and Walter managed to make some it was a manager. Yeah, so we managed it, but they had a good relationship then to make Dave Watson first team coach as well. You came in. So I think he did but I think most of it was done by nearly all that was done by Archie. Yeah, so to to sounds but Alton and now that summer John Collins and Livy AIDS, of course, you look well. I left Olivia as a player. Yeah, I was never a fixed on John. Yeah, and I thought me and him were more Rivals to me and Olivia / - Lee taught me. It's a club or play play together. But obviously now I know I'm behind ya John Collins down, but when I was training with them no matter what I don't it was like you never get an edible. So that was it. That was the odd part, but we're to call I love to course. I love that. We play football and he brought it brought with him. I always remembered Face as first day of the first week you brought this intensity over them which is which is actually in the game now anyway in most training sessions were back in them days. It wasn't as much and he bought this intensity where every ball matter even if we were doing sessions that didn't really mean much they did to him. When a proper one a real winner here. I was interesting that I wish thought me that how it was. How was he with the young players coming through like a late? Yeah. It didn't use fine. I mean, it didn't really I say that was my whole ball on the show a while back and he says Olivier always took some the place for coffee needs of time. It may imagine. I was oblivious never asked me to the coffee across the fuck. I should instead we're doing a bit of research on that that periods and an article from Donaldson came up and he basically said in 1998 Walter calls him in yeah and said you can go because it's going to be John and it's going to be Olivier so you can go in Had no, I'm better than the pair of them and I'm going to stay and two months later. He was back in was the similar conversation with you. So no I think Me and Walter had sort of fell out at one stage. Okay. Yeah, my cards are being I had I think I had 18 months left on my contract. But when by the time I left and I've been locked up it was always when page on before me. All these is a of to play Because all he was a good player and then I always thought it should have been me getting a chance of a run remember saying to me either at one stage I said, okay, I get it so them show them every day that I'm better than Gah, so while enemy agent going in I was I'm me agents case all the time and I'm relieved wedding and you come out and it says you play in Sati and less staff spoke to the manager and he's agrees on what you're saying. You play any is Lester. So the agent used to meet me in the foyer that sets off me and became so Madam would have been about 10 past too. By unless the roll so we've come into those tickets and I've gone I'm not playing this is you are he said that's a nice just man has obviously changed his mind is made the team so I wasn't playing so I don't really know. I don't know. I don't know what the Amazon players they need, but also Zone players and that's why in the end a little bit sour for me. I just wanted to get out in the end because even though it's ever and it's not evident. It's it's the managers team at the time. Yeah. Well, that was your last fall season 11 1999 young be 13 times two games. You did play fair from with the mazes. Zombie could listen to him about it was metal because I've been out for so long injured. Yeah, and then I guess brought in to go math Patty Burger patch of berries play on the wing. You should cooperate that's old. Just don't let me score. So in my head, it's like going back a few years ago when my fighting relegation all the time you saw that the shackles on so now my job isn't to go makers play to go stop them from player. So that was my job which is strange because you came in because Olivier was suspended and He's nothing to you guys the game and it was it was more to stop at Patty Burger. That's what it was for this course. I think he's at the time and had a few minutes when we signs in. Those are 40 game Championship manager said he was boss on it. And I was like, we've set aside some point it was he a good lad to be around. It didn't quite work for them to the people now, it's really weird. I just couldn't say no me was the reply dating culture strong fit. Yeah. I never see him. I never really see. Never seen it before and another another game you started against Newcastle. Everyone Wan know no one remembers it because it was done. I gotta think of a example Souls beyond the managers by you play that game. So when did you find that out you in the grounds or you know now I think a new before the game laughter? Yeah, I think some company because there's loads of stories in the Target Iraq and Jordan Iraq before happens after all so new Junkanoo did until I was sure they would have all new as soon as they age. Yeah before and but yeah, that was a time when look like we had no money. Yeah Pizza Pete Peter Johnson went the next day didn't need this right now is results we've got about to come on you like horses. Our family would all go to be you go to when John 12 months. Yeah, because it was like he was the Talisman was only we never had anyone else. So I just I wasn't sure where we were going with the club. It looks like dark days for the head of us. Yeah three just go and it was a lady come back and say goodbye. Well, I don't know what I can't remember if he went back into the changing room. I had seen a bull and I we just went Her name is Replacements was Kevin Campbell and we absolutely needed Kevin Campbell. Didn't me Kevin Campbell played Billiards at me? Yeah, you caught me. It was like a breath of fresh air, wasn't he? Yeah, every stockholder score goals. So so don't almost forgot about quickly for the stage where there was a period in between about November and March. I think we all play and Franny open up with Danny Chasm R3 and the pair them good players, but it was like the indeed the cannot either Duncan's play with them because Barrio wouldn't work. So funny funny and have got on. Well got our well depicts the other than me. They almost unbelievable but funny could have been sort of special. Yeah, could the being these another one who sought myself before talk to Uncle and Franny probably comes into that category as well. Yeah in the least you could have been such a special day. Yeah, so when Kevin comes in in training, do you see how good he is or is it when you come in straight? I think I think he was surprised how good we were right across players. It was like and then all of a sudden I think that that upped his game. Yeah what he was good at was bringing those into the play so we could find Kev. Keep hold of the ball and we could all get involved in the game going forward and then obviously you got in the Box Score goals. Yeah, but it kept was a good player. Yeah. It was I mean, he's opening it was asking though, wasn't it? Yeah, so please play with some great players. So kept was a good player because I had the clouds or some and like he said it was difficult period it was difficult for the fans because we never had the hero and he just came and put the cape on Willie. That's right. That's exactly what he's on. Yeah the fans talk to because he was good. Yeah during me there's no there's no way there's no see. He is caught me in a time when needed and delivered the goods. Yeah, that's what he's done in name-checked you after that. The Coventry game is called to and he said she said Tony Grant and Donald isn't playing behind me was it was a dream because the football is can remember having a bit of a short relationship with Kevin where he was enjoying my time with you. Oh, yeah. I remember this face today. So what I say when I used to train, I was by far probably better than most of the players right? Remember Kevin Campbell's first. I couldn't wait to play with me joining me is it's just transfer it for myself just transferred and out onto the pitch. Sometimes was hard for me for different reasons, but I knew Kev enjoy playing with it earlier that game currency game my home at 30% off and he's gonna sign on the side land. So you're on the pitch and yaw. What was the X which game week before or the week after Wednesday Jonas Sheffield? Wednesday was the donors to one and I'm from high schools. And I think owns Weight and short don't you like nuts right identical back passes and they would even to one of our reporters in the zone and then you stack Kevin Campbell up to make it to Millions college. That was one and he was talking on the side of the bed. She hadn't left Michael Michael. You know, I've always got on well and any new players Arkansas ever said that the week it was always in me to make sure Sure, the welcome. I don't know why I think it's just that scowl sting. And yeah that you just making sure that a foreign kid you need anything. So I've always got on well with every single well nearly all of them the following as we've come over and Marco come over with his girlfriends and they were living in the docks and he was very homesick Marco. He was very homesick here young boy big lap big lap. Yeah. Exceptional ability possible no back lift 80 90 yards easy some ability, but just never ever fitted right? I think he was desperate to go home and I think some of us end the nafs or some of his rash rash football. Was because he was homesick. I think it had a part to play in all of it. Right? I think he was feeling so would you like that I train them as well. You could be rash. Yeah, it could be. It's just the right. I think it was the wrong time to bring him up him as a person to this country if you know what I mean, it's happening because he was a good player and he could have been a great ski was a chords Forever and cause you're big enough but it's just wrong place. I think long time and she would say it's definitely important that the youngsters to sell isn't it shows in the cutting it in a day, but I don't know. Our roles was a Nazi. Be and everyone's different entities that you never know what you're gonna get. If you bring a young boy over his girlfriend just there was never never it was never settled to speak the lingo Marco not great. No, it was never settled. I think obviously told us some of his games. He probably went home really disappointed and you know that Vicious Circle you just keep eating eating away at yourself. He spoke highly of having a few more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Homesick at the time. Yeah, that's obviously more important. Yeah, so you've gone from being the source of its own Ians house in the scene that we all loved two years prior and it's now Michael Ball my horse the young Scouts efforts wholly at the fans of hands could just use a top baby. Could you tell I was going to be here? I thought he was outstanding. Yeah really did. Baynes he's doing great. Yeah probably part was me best left, but I seen it look part. Yeah, love beansie. I love bolli. I think ball is being that was an outstanding player. Really what I really do. We had them on and he said he said you were a tough lately. I've said that because in is because our kids have you he was talking about you and he was saying oh good you in 1 d 2 Phi Z. Yeah, and he'd look forward to playing with it and it never quite happened as much as you want to because you're sort of crossed / ship passing ships in the night if you will. It was just leaving as he was coming through yes or something after seeing you see play together. However poorly come through and he was going he was very good at defending not mad. Not many people can be found no more. It's clever. Its really really clever like using his body. Yeah, and then he can play football and he played centimeter couple of times as well and was very good. Yeah, he's a good player Bali really was use get moved around other by Walter Smith is another one. We probably could still I mean it's a common theme and ever and I don't know what if it's a 7. That's the water. Yeah. Well someone 99 it was reported that you won five players transfer listed stabilize yourself Mitch Wars Gareth Michael Branch. I'm John Old King Club needed money and you were the five who it would be paying for Kevin Campbell. Basically, I will we help our you told that you will transfer. This is the process behind that. All Walter Walter pulled me in to say a chance fearless leader. I disagreed with them. Time but that was a decision. I said no problemo. If we get a decent Global go obviously I went someone City didn't they? Yeah, you had some your face when you don't know what a low the champion journals is put a child who is the manager she throws the number two. Yeah the championship at a time getting good crouched over the roads and I loved it and of the you know, I think I may be out last ball today. Never ever thought that no not once never thought about that, but the manager was Never ever coming to me but I think the modern player might think that but I don't know with my ear ever thought that would play it manages. It is like that now with me Place some lot more powerful natural managers. Yeah, and whether they think I don't know. I'm not putting words into the mouth door thinking things, but I don't know what to think that but they are more powerful because they're getting paid hell of a lot more money it my era of a way of playing it wasn't it was basically I need to go play. Yeah. Just want to go and play. I got the opportunity to play for also with champion. Yeah, you'll actually came back and came off the bench or United again as a theme there. Yeah, you can finally be in December 1999. We got three five one eight nine ten. You came off like six minutes to put your face on those pictures she is. Yeah, it was probably the wrong place to go looking back because one of the reasons I want to leave out left ever wished to get out of the city in a way for football reasons. Nothing else. Yeah, but I already went up the road to Manchester. Yeah, and I was back in the city. So I sort of defeated the object and what a John's I joined Man City when they were actually top of the league. So it's very hard to get in the team even though I was promised to get in the seen the person keeping me up. Was he in Bishop who was one of We'll meet a bitch was a brilliant player. Yeah, brilliant player playing Grace's well, so We got animals. So it becomes a little bit of banging my head against the wall thing and widely believed I should last day that I don't know but it seemed more months. Yeah, so that was a decision. I probably didn't help with be agents of the time. It was by Joe the manager. That's it. See ya advise wearing today, so don't think but there you go. Let me look promoted to the Premier League. Yeah any both and rayon? Yeah, it was Angela. It's called play and we will fight and relegated again fighting relegation. So we should switch it on there as well. He was there. Yeah. It's only because they're poor. In fact the ammo ammo completion train go back to George. Why are there as well as the top player? Yeah, but you wouldn't know that because he wasn't a Saint George as well in some place in the lambo. It was still George we're balanced or whether or greater one of the greatest players to play football but lovely humble guy. Yeah lovely lovely failure. Are you thinking this function will talk like two thousand one and only one alone, sir. So to West Brom and again, Bandy Bristol and crew but you think about coaching already at this stage? I think looking back Ami is a player. I've always been at all. Yeah on the pitch. I've always been the think it and I've always been someone who cares about people IE all over for the lads slap and Villages and all out of cool. I've always been open and warm and big coffee and all that to make sure the fans have always had the care and side soak a little people. But I've also other the way I played football you have to have an understanding. Of space because I was playing in a 4-4-2 in the Premier League attend stole right so that people can easily get in and sort of yeah, but no wait on me. So I had to have a good soldier yet a know where I was going to go with the ball. Mmm. So if I didn't know other classes, so I've always been a think of the game. So I think the roles I've gone on now was always going to happen. Yeah, it was a gloomy first coaching job is that there's a way starts getting me Meto in which idea was the manager who's a again old school, but new school I said it didn't it didn't complicated. So I just learned a little things off Dario and stuff around from there. That's where the really started. How do you juggle both player and Coach? Well, I didn't say it wasn't yeah. On the topic of player. It's going to coach and as a player. Yeah, because you're going to change a lot of players and then you go inside and culture. So you just dipping your toe in and then speak them or two cultures. That's probably the bigger one. Yeah actually getting into the M circles them as you go to work with Dario gradi. Yeah, but ideas. Yeah, he has a reputation of bringing all the others haven't what they are clubs aren't always give opportunity to play as you see. Yes, that's why they've had so much success because more kids get more opportunities. Yeah, even the ones who fail to get an opportunity to fail so clubs don't even give it an opportunity to failure soon. They've done as a business have an entertaining but with the wire and then was black being you faced actual leather ones. Yeah. It's on a bit of comic address that and then when I went to Blackburn, yeah, that was my first proper full time culture and roll. Yeah. I think you have a hard day at work said I'll be searching for your record their black been under 18s coach you The Casimir Elite League finalists in the fa youth cup and premier league coach we had these such we had a good team that year now out of that scene. I think there's only there's only three players who have gone on to be some sort of career so far. Yeah while be in the Premier League next year the other two in League one blessed them with all being released. I think from football which is unbelievable. It's just the reality of football at our other is that seems a good team and they don't have a so well because Blackburn Rovers only rarely get players have been released by Everton Liverpool to get all the players who the big clubs don't want you. And then your job dentist and get the best out of them and try and improve them. And then last for them to use digital proof did improve the got to a level which the my you shouldn't have a writ. Well that's saying they should never get it. No one would have thought he could get to that level and they beat the big clubs fairly as well. Yeah, we moved up to the first even in 2012. Yeah. Did you always want to be the first team coach not really a lot of the time and we went up to help the clubhouse because again, that's a I think it was some old lady sucks sucks. Well was that was Steve Keen Steve Keeney sucked King him after is that right? Yes, so we had to go there was no choice in that. So I goes up then when I finish the first time we goes back down. They brought a new manager in then the sack them. Let's go back up again. But this time it's fight relegation. So there's a lot of pressure on us, but we stayed up. Yeah, but season finished that I actually wanted to go back down with the kids. Yeah. Yeah, the minds of the time once we just stay with him. Yeah, so we had a few debates looking back. I wish either stay with the kids. That's what I wanted to do. But I went with the first team and the reason I want to say the kids is because I've been coaching many years and I love culture and I loved improving kids and I loved I loved them getting better and straightaway catapulted into the first team what I know now if we lose a few games would all get in circles and all the good work. You've done previous with all his kid. No one really cares regarding here. It's forgotten the owners don't care the owners. Don't care that you spent. Two hours when you've gone all thinking about their kids and they don't care about that. So I thought I don't want to go with these and sports the manager who's going to be the manager. He was like what you stay with me though, because we've done so well last year sort of get that but this is what's going to happen because I know what the know know what owners of clubs like hmm. And in the end I was right. That's what happens this happens when they shouldn't actors. We were doing great. They put it on the Embargo. We couldn't buy players. We were spending playthrough Gigolo. We would try and let it be actually improved players. We bought players in and solar for stupid money. And yeah, it's all satyrs. And that's the horrible top half of football. It looks a bit like from the outside block being I don't mean any disrespect to them because of the massive Club. It looked a bit of a circus at times because Alan Myers in as well, and he said also music director and my you couldn't speak to say and thank you. There's only one you could speak to. Sandy was a bit Martin. I think the problem the problem with that be that's how I'm in my life personally was it's not so much the owners is people who are getting its this game this this will football your liver. Yeah, it's there's so many people who were trying to sort of jump on the bandwagon and thinking all this and they think they know that and they actually don't ya and they cause more trouble we leave Blackberry Blackberry not related to the laughter in fact side of the manager be coming after us. Lasted ten games and he walked out then we got relegated and also not all for absolutely not and that's the problem with football. Yeah, kosher - I'll different as a Academy to face T. Is it a different way of making day or things pretty similar? No, I think I think if you've got a certain way of coaching you believe in certain things and played improvements should be at the Forefront of all of it. So if I want to improve a young kid, I'm still gonna prove a 28 year old boy, right? Okay if you want if you want. Be improved if you if he's on the same page and he actually wants to get better. That's awesome. Then that's got to be the Forefront of it all. Yeah, so lots of my ideas and my styles were very similar from the youth boys. So the first game boys maybe a change your words. Yeah, Jonah me maybe a change certain things, but I added a great time with the youth and a great time of the first team boys. Do yeah after black been I think isn't somewhere help Blackpool and it said you do some scouting for ever and as well you are It's going to have a full understanding of Welsh and then there's the new bit of a came in and wants to change it. So I was subject to go on to Europe and the UK looking to players. Yeah, the Steve what's gotta be unfair criticism. Do you think I think so, I think I've read recently. He's got a lambasted for the bring Employers in and perceptions got a lot to do with it. Yeah. Okay. So if you look at Steve, he's looked at all the guy doesn't he writes on let's have it right but if you go to his players and if Stevens to come out and talk about the future as firstly three of us fear cylons were all under the age of 21 in so I'm going to call that Loom. We pay the million quid for Adam all the luck. Flash of recently. Yeah. Now that legal players I can move and lots of money you actually go through some of the other ones. There's one that divides ever Tony's in Snyder. Yeah, so we're just idling for you get the board. Lots of it's on his like stylist first year. Yeah. So if you have a debate at the end of that year Lots want to keep them. Yeah, but if you decide not to turn up the laughter, it's that Steve's false. The coach's fault of the players fault cabbie Steve's fault, honey. No, it's not his fault that the kids want to play football. Yeah, but yet when the kids was decided by foot bicycle player because I know now there's some edits on is now we want to keep them next year and are some who don't because honestly, A is a good player. I'm in the keeps out to be for legal purposes of debate there already, isn't it between used to so what I'm saying to this that can't be his fault because there's a player there. Yeah, right. So you bring Pickford in Pickford wasn't England's number one pick the to a goalkeeper. Yeah, there's a few now saying this an apple pickford's of a goalie England. Number one goalie. Goalie. So pick was not a bad player and he brings guy and doesn't he guys it'll play it, isn't he? Yeah, you can so then the ones you know, the ones that all kick once people are all sorted out now is policy but you don't blast his first year before the other the cruciate ligament. Mmm was he that bothered us? Fascia not. I don't know some will say he was some say wasn't right. He seemed to work well will calculate time. But what I say is offer to shit lots of things can happen for crucial because you do well to actually play football again of a cushy, right? So he's come back off a cruise ship and he's nowhere near but that can't be thou as the eve Shirley's annoys me I cruciate ligament Anjali - yeah through it all the way. So you go through all of them. There's a question mark sounds always another one so sounds oh no one says that was a bad deal at the time. That's what she got. He's cheap be cheap wages, but no one's cheap wages now, but as he really had a runoff anyone has anyone ever really give them a run as I mean, I don't even know what position he plays you came in the strike a strike plate the first thing didn't score and he was upset. - for saying so so now there's an argument to say. Well, you gotta look at the management of the time after you got the best out the players because as I said before but be coaching you coaching whether the manager to coach you've got to get the best out the players. Yeah, right. So I'm not sure the every manager or coach has got the best out of all employers who have mentioned them. Not sure they have and then you look at the new ones chosen beneath the striker. So the total gamble on social not sure it's hosting the answer for my pace of him was that machine he was with him was named Michelle is one lucky in play is phenomenally and he wants them and then next thing we are that Aruba. I don't know. I don't know that's not it true that there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen. There's ice and players like Bill wants only to cumin 1/2 the class and I don't know. I think I think I think every Club. I mean they'll always be an exception like a way might come about I mean, there's not going to be every week or every year but away might come available. We have to say that way. Yeah. Williams got to bring them back to wherever he ends. I used a leave-in goe score of that year. So I mean and then he's released a one-year didn't he? So you have to take weight, but I don't know about if there's any connection, of course in their in their nana kitchen now, we're not too sure. I don't know what the real dynamics and I'm already don't. Okay. Well, I wait from from ever and then exciting times ahead to you and Robbie Fowler after it has been raw. Yeah. He said you leaving on Monday. We'll called missing you get excited for that challenge. Yeah. It's a it's a great opportunity. So we're going to a club with both a lot of players in and it is an exciting science to put on a stamp of we want to play football. And now we want to run a club. Yeah, you know rubby been mates for the years. I've use and yeah, we play for the city when we were on the let me 10 years old. So we've been friends since I've been ten we live by each other now leveled out by to the last 10 years 15 years. So we we've always been good friends. Ends and spoke a lot for we speak off of Walter. Yeah all the time. Yeah, so they just give you the call and say look I've got this Honeywell with me it was there. I've always been down a cultures roll. I just finished the black pool that's recently but we have always been a coach's role. Robbie's wanting to get into management. He's a pro license Easton's Pro license. So he spent a lot of time doing all those licenses so easy. He was determined to try and give it a shot. Otherwise, it would have been pointless doing as licenses. So he's got the highest level you can have in Europe. Yeah, and now he's going to give himself a an opportunity to be successful. This is what it's got to start somewhere is always going to be your face foot and a lot of somewhere and as happens to be a long way away. Yeah, he's going to say it's not just a career change. It's a lifestyle change using a family down and move away from all words. We're not sure what to do with the family. It's just me and I will go over Monday. Yeah. Number way how what's going to happen but you know what shows out to tell him and we are and you know, we're very open Lads. We've had lots of experiences in our lives and football's globalism. Yeah, we've got a lot to offer. All the kids all over the world. So it's not just in England. So if if a happens to be a civil or opens the door in a different country and so be it. Yeah, all we all do is give it our best shot and we're card for whoever were around at the time. It's a great way of looking at it. Really we won't keep it too much longer be know. You need some time to get ready for the big move just a few more questions. If you don't mind say views on the game now money is thrown about willy-nilly does that does that take priority over coach and you think and as ahead Colton of especially young players when they can just by someone I think money has become a problem. I don't think you're going to fix it. It's how we tell your manager. I think there's some better days agents getting involved in a game. Now. There's more education for the kids or some of these kids might be getting more money, but I think there's more kids. They'll probably more sensible with this money. Mmm. Let's say it all of them are but it's pointless going all about money chains because it's here. It's either say it's only got worse people. Don't get more money. Go fix, it could happen system. Never wear because the Premier League's too big. No, so it'll never work because it's just it's just one of the Premier League the end of the day. He was a young kid leave and she'll see not long ago. It was never kicked a ball because we're going to go to Bayern Munich and that was reportedly a young kids going to get x amount of money. It's just astronomical for not playing a game and if you don't give them it a European club might give them a so because the net has closed on how many elite players there isn't the world's everyone wants them. Yeah, you know what I mean and as an example, I always think earrings. Ow, I think he's such a highly rated great stats and user 23 league in pre-season you all seem to do well, but now we can go and buy gylfi sigurdsson because because the money is there David Moyes had to bring Leon Osman through because he couldn't have gone. I'm bored. Someone on Ozzy was great restrict chances. I don't think that I think if you're good enough you'll get your chance. I think Stephen will you didn't have to bring logic through as you got through because he was good enough player. He got myself through. Yeah. I think your opportunity will be there for these kits all these kids every club now whether it be preseason, that's your chance what you've got to do. You've got to show that you are good enough to go for within the team and maybe I mean, I haven't I haven't watched all these kids daily in training. Maybe maybe they just come up short, you know what I mean? So maybe they just come and show up somewhere and I can happen and that's allowed it's just that what is and then you just waiting for let me think about it. It was the park. They bought like a Steven Gerrard. Who when was the last time we bought one of them through its we haven't the ovens happy. Yeah, because you just waiting for one. So it starts on which culture sometimes it's time. You're waiting for a Robbie Fowler. They are new to Young Tony dancers or young Franny Jeffers or young Steven J. You're waiting for them the city will produce them. Yeah, it's who's going to get them? And when you get them you'll know about it. They won't need to be put in the paper every week play a great claim. They just happen to be playing and the be that goes the rest of them as a process and the process is you'll be getting told in the mesial good the hour when the 12 to 13 the 40 and 50 and 60 and I'm Abby expects that I'd expect in these players, then they'll disappoint you and you would like put the I thought it was brilliant last part. It was remiss it was a young kid. It was Unreal and training. There's that Rooney obviously really just seen by only was in the team of 60. Yeah. So what's happening is very very serious time you look back. So when these Lads get in a 16 year old, we've got something special. Yeah you have and to be fair Rush when you go to see some Russia's goals. Russ had something special. Yeah. So the rest of them, you know, someone who might be all right. Little John Jones. All right, isn't he which runs a shelter now it all depends where you want to get to as a club. Do you want to be in the top four or do you want to be 7th 8th or 9th? Some of these kids a tie for seventh eighth or ninth? But you might be good enough. It's off for I don't know. Yeah, that's just that's just the ongoing process. So keen and will probably come under all ah ya, but I'm sure you'll get another chance simply season because I agree is that ability, but whether he's got enough of more ability than gylfi in a position and not sure. Keaton's I would you if you quote lowland to Sheffield United in the premises if they said we'll take him back but he didn't really play Fish Fu this much when he went alone this time did he was he was in and out here if you look at the start of the think he had many start. So I'm sure someone will take care and whether it'll be a primarily couple not sure but I'm sure someone will take him to have a look at them. But what fully with what the interacting with football is everyone gets older. So now kieran's not that 17 year old boy, you know, actually, I don't know all the bits 21 Maybe 22news should be a man soon having kids soon one of his batch be a new batch coming through then we'll be talking about and that's football. So these Lads it was going on take it and if they're good enough they will and if it does it's just it's just that or Mohammad 80 pounds and 20 for the ghosts are gone. Well, it's gone because it wasn't good enough let alone that's where it's gone is careers going to be probably the championship. Yeah. That's what it's clear probably will be. Member is all these clubs these two inner city and other clubs every played it comes to the academy can all play for that team not impossible. Yeah, so man, you've been great at it over the years the produce players for other clubs, but they produce high level players likes of Michael Keen happened to end up later for those Josh King you place a bomb with the produce a million players who play at a high level? So you're hoping wanted to come through likes of Jesse lingard conversely. You're hoping they come through who can play at a good level. But then you know, once you releasing it open, they can go to a good level which they can so ever and over the years. We have introduced many who go on to have real good careers once release them at a young age. So that's Helen science sometimes or never Kieran going on lowland and mighty bands are gone on long one of the few good proposals on this new low while the Apple thing is You can leave alone six professionals out. Yeah peopie Irwin zoned out so you can bring one back in January. And the other one is if you do Chelsea once at 40 as out on loan, so that idea there to you. Is that a positive idea or well it's a proposal isn't here so there will be a lot of fighting for there will be there'll be an awful lot of not just in this is not just the Chelsea ball for the club's. I don't know ever not quite a lot of lads out alone. Once you have an unknown with the ego so Then it becomes game time for the rest of the largest where they going to get the game time, but the competitiveness going to go or are they gonna fall away because what games the owner of yeah play and sweaty threes football. Once you get a 19 as its it can make it a digression from Improvement. It's ours now cuz you think if three routes on loan, you think they might come back if 40 and out on loan. Yeah, they cannot comment is with from where I play. Is years ago the first team squad was yet? 11 and a few others. Yeah. So if you're young kids doing well, you're way far off it now first in squats 25 players at least so all and 25 ready not know just 12 at 80 or maybe maybe two or three in your position or one or two in your position, but there's another load so it changed its name from Missouri to development league, which is what it is that the development league. It's changed football has changed. Like it all over it's changed. So it's a development Lido. So it gives you the clue what you got to try and do yeah, it's try and develop you haven't got to go on with that. It's just change now to try and develop players. Yeah, so bringing if this comes through some of these Lads are 22 cargo on Lo the attic on play. Well, they're not going to develop are they because the plane in front of no one? Yeah. There's no one to Stadium. To be playing against 15 16 year old players because other clubs want to develop their players. She's just stupid, isn't it? Mmm, it's really end of that progression. Well if I was a 22-year old others Play It Again First play in Liverpool and the other 16 year old kid straight away. I want to kick me with me, but he's planning. He's a senior player. Right? So all of a sudden mentally it's not great for me because I've got to try and work this out and I was up really going to get up for the game. It's a 16 year old kid. I'm 22 Yeah. So realistically you can say as much as they want but it's not real. It's just an Apple. So in the end you just you don't become as good a player you come with us. Yeah. I don't like that. Look forward to after that game now. Monday is equal to same again. Yeah, so I don't think it'll get past but if it does someone will come up with some idea and I don't know what idea that the Babel it won't be great. Yeah, I'll talk Tony it's been brilliant listen to your thoughts on on football and coach and as much as it has for whatever incredible wounds it off of the few more have any questions and then we'll let you go down on their best player. He plays with a negotiate and really simple simple. Yeah. Yeah. I play with some good players. I love speed. Oh, yeah. I love any sound waves. Vinny was a great player people didn't see that he was it was similar to you. I think yeah he was but he's had a lot of quality that but he wants to play Centre mid Joe wants to play and left-wing that wasn't Vinny. Vinny was a Centre midfielder. So Vinny was a Playbook and Ray easy to use your best memory as a never told you as a fan as you know, I am gonna fit I can't even think of an altar. It's about the count even think they even meet up because obviously not every kid would have got a ticket on the other side what the game is other do we? Yeah, but we never take us next to each other and that was what year was that 85? So I was 10. So let's hang it all logical two games at every week, but I'm not sitting next to her for choose that game starts. He's down here in the lower Bollinger there and I was down here. Who are far away from each other don't belong but your that stays with me forever because that was just unique that when you left the Quran that needs to be it still goes on. Will there be I mean, I don't know. I can't remember the Warhol. I just know I just know what I was like, you still my bedroom years ago. I used to get a program and in the middle was a faulty at the player. Yeah, they were all over my room. Yeah. There's a big old thing most motion. Yeah, and I was instantly sends and Duncan scores Georgia and I was like, he's my hero now. I'm only 10 I remember going on right now so I can sleep. Yeah. So God knows how you felt watching the baby in The Game Dev course. Well, he wasn't being older school with Nia and then then days we could talk. Yeah, but all that success we would haven't and we had a good team. This is what I have for some of these kids now because across the park, they're having loads of success and years ago when I was a kid, I could talk about Evan. Yeah. What about the game last night? What about hoop? Saying something I would say in them all over. Yeah, we'll put five past them for fourth step because you move because we could and that's what that's what was harder to get back with me. We all we all have and then these four fingers crossed out here. Okay. I'm the last question your best memory as an Everton player. There's never an employer is the one memory that that comes to mind states away makes you smile in a blue shirt. You know what, you know, what smarter and obviously people would say your debut and all our maximum best memory was the semi-finals doesn't even player. But you passed the Squadron is on the way here for you would think I'd say we need to have you well, it wasn't it was a semi-final because it was unique. It was like looking for that Italian looking forward to a bathroom. It was just it was just seeing the sides of the stadium full turn it over Tottenham. Yeah, and it was just that feeling was just immense so it'd probably be that you know, yeah, I can't I can't argue with any of those answers and become telescope spam in a can Tottenham in the semi-final probably will be like you swap of a cause. My memories are say only say any words. Yeah Tony, it's been a pleasure speaking to you. Thank you very much for joining us across the park and best wishes and I still yeah, well, don't let's welcome. Thank you, very much cheese
In this latest edition of ATP Extra, Millsy is joined by Neil, as they sit down with Everton fan favourite, Tony Grant, a local lad who lived the dream of playing for his boyhood club! In a fascinating episode we take a look back at Tony's time in football, from his childhood growing up in the city, supporting Everton in 1980's and his fond memories of the great Everton sides of the period, including discussion of the famous game against Bayern Munich, to his time as an Everton player and latterly, his career now as a coach. During his time at Everton, Tony played under Mike Walker, Joe Royle and Walter Smith, with all three managers getting discussed and Tony talking about his particular sadness on hearing the news of Joe Royle's sacking. Although not part of the 1995 FA Cup winning side, Tony played in the 4-1 Semi Final win against Spurs, which is covered, and he also mentions his relationships and opinions on some fellow players including Andrei Kanchelskis, Neville Southall, Kevin Campbell and Duncan Ferguson and the impacts that their leaving/signings had on the club and it's fans. Time spent under Steve McMahon at Swindon is covered, with the episode then progressing to talk about Tony's current career as a coach, with his views on the modern game, differences between academy and first team coaching, scouting for Steve Walsh and his opinion on Steves time at Everton, all notable points. The episode closes with a chat about Tony's continued ambitions in the game and his exciting new role, as assistant coach to Robbie Fowler at Brisbane Roar in Australia. An episode not to be missed by any Evertonian! 