One two three four. What's up? Everybody? Welcome to the 20th episode of the early 20s podcast Namaste. Why are there no today? I'm Shanker hosting from Singapore and joining me are my co-hosts guarantee fromLondon and sorry again is from Abu Dhabi and project from profited from London today. We have two guests joining us here in Singapore. This is got of transition occur from from like from I don't know. I don't know where he's from born in born in Bangalore raised in Chennai traveled the world now working in Singapore will get into this and joining me is and Andy from Ian and he's in Singapore for this week traveling. He's a friend of God of and we actually bumped into each other last night over at dinner and somehow we landed up on the conversation of the early 20s podcast. Actually, we had Ram shree with us who has also been on the podcast and we started talking about drum. She's life story and then somehow we got into his podcast and then In to our podcast and lo and behold 12 hours later 18 hours later. We are recording this podcast. We're sitting in this nice apartment on Newton Road in Singapore. So pretty pretty cool place. But hey, thanks for doing this guy's this is gaurav. And this is my new apartment. I'm just getting used to it and it's amazing to hear about this podcast in 24 hours. We said we decided to do this and interestingly and he's visiting me from Bali for a week and we hung out in different parts of the world and talking to your friend RAM shree and about the early 20s podcast. We quickly figured that this could be an interesting thing to do and as I settle into a more one place life and reflect the last couple of years on the travels Journeys amazing experiences. You came and said, you know, why don't we see where this goes and I'm definitely excited to be here. What's up guys? I'm Andy. It's nice to be here. Thank you for inviting me. So yeah, I'm from originally from England and I'm currently staying on curves sofa for the weekend. He very kindly let me stay I actually live in Bali at the moment for the last few months, but my Visa ran out, so I had to come over to Singapore and yeah worked out nice curves living here. So so staying with him and yeah, we're here to talk about the Nomad lifestyle. I've been doing it for a few years. So yeah, hopefully have some interesting things to discuss. Yeah, that's so today's episode is going to be centered around the life of digital Nomads and and how these two guys have been this traveling around the world and and making good money where while added and leaving really really interesting lives II just To get a brief introduction about both of them. So God of actually did his Bachelors from nus in Singapore around eight nine years back and then he worked as a software engineer and in around 2016. He decided to start his second life as a digital Nomad it traveled around the world. He went to Ecuador. He went to Mexico Bali and I don't even know. We're all you if we but and now you've come back to Singapore to live one place lifestyle and you're working as a product manager here in here in Crab. So a very interesting profile and I love to dive deep into it and you on the other hand. I tried to research this guy on on the internet, but I couldn't find a single Google link to his to his name all I know about him is that he He works for three months in a year. And for the rest of the nine months. He he does skiing in the Alps and serves in Bali and and he does he works in the so I've been told that he works on some secret projects, but but majorly it's its affiliate marketing on Amazon that he makes his money on. So my first question to you And probably within gani add if you want to my first question is how did you guys discover? What digital Nomad what are they to do? No matter is and how did you get into it? You know, this is very interesting because yeah, I so I grew up in India and I went through the ride for getting into the iat's and the bits. I studied really hard in my high school and I realized I could I didn't make it. I think it was at the for thousands for ID and I Don't think Naval architecture in IIT Madras and I didn't make it to bits in a very high and interestingly in u.s. At that point in time was opening admissions from people in India and Indonesia, and he bring markets and I decided to give it a shot. I had no idea about life outside India. That was my one-way flight to Singapore my family and I went on a small holiday. I didn't know what Singapore was actually. But I realize it is a small island and it's growing really fast. They're fantastic opportunities. So why not write it was a big leap of faith and Singapore actually was a great launch pad because that experience of studying in a university with people from all around the world, but focused on southeast Asia gave me an idea of understanding different cultures different countries. It existed what opportunities on the world look like what specifically the tech industry is doing. I don't know what Silicon Valley was until my first year where there was the nus entrepreneurship Society. I studied in National University of Singapore. Nus the entrepreneur Society gave me an idea of okay. These are the things that's happening. It was really good launch pad and open my eyes and so as an ambitious young guy from I wanted to just jump on some of these opportunities and so as a You know international student you also get an opportunity go study abroad for a year. And I decided to go to Sweden caviar again is I thought Sweden was Switzerland. No, no, no kidding. It's one of these Scandinavian countries and one of the first places I lived outside Singapore after I started education and I realize holy shit, you know, the world is much bigger than I thought it was I also made trips to the Wes to Silicon Valley to understand Chinese companies and I got really interested in the technology industry and fast forward. I started my first job because of a friend who I studied within newest and this was actually in Sweden I decided to join him running a very young company and you know, there was a side of me where I always wanted to you know, go and see new pastures. What are the new experiences out? There was always exciting and so If I can make this a bit short, it's I spent a bunch of time in Sweden. And then I was I found a bunch of time in New York city in the US and I realize unfortunately or fortunately being an Indian citizen it often is difficult to get a Visa work visa and some of these countries in Sweden. There is a Swedish migration board microphone circuit. I had some very small paper anomalies that said God of please leave come back after 1 year and in the u.s. My L1 L1 B petitions were declined and I was like You know, I feel like I'm a good employee and I'm not able to work in these amazing places that I dreamed of and I learned about what should I do next? So I don't have the answers and I was by the way, I know this is the early 20s podcast. I'm not in my early 20s. I have been my later 20s just to just to make it clear. I was like what the hell should I do right so I decided to go to Bali everybody was going to Bali at that point in time great holiday. A destination I go there and interestingly that's when I met Andy and I saw a bunch of folks in co-working space called Dojo Bali. I just popped by who would ever go to a co-working space on a holiday. I was busy surfing and going to the waterfalls. I pop by and I realize holy shit. There's a huge bunch of people and this was 2015 16 and 18 2016 4 leading amazing lifestyles are running internet. Is are working, you know for five hours a day are surfing in the morning and I realized hmm. Why can't I do this? So interestingly the folks have been working with said gaurav. Let us hire you remotely and again remote work at that point in time was just about starting people were skeptical about it. It was more for software Engineers. We're in local markets like Sweden. They were finding it hard to recruit at the same time. You know, they had migration issues where it takes a year for somebody. So they said Okay, God of you know, we worked with you we have trust and thankfully that's been there even now they said why don't we give you a shot? Like let's work remotely and I realized it's possible and that's when I got learn from people like Andy and other folks that I met and I realize, you know, I could do this longer and I took on a journey for a couple of years and went to all these amazing places. So that's that's like a summary and it's been a fantastic experience and I'm so grateful. I did that in my 20s and it's more possible today than it was ever before with access to cheaper flights with co-working spaces that guarantee that you have a very good connectivity with Ubers and airbnb's that make Services very very easily available and most importantly people who are not very dissimilar like you who want to meet people like you understand where you come from. What life looks Like in your part of the world and we are becoming a globalized world. So I'm very glad I did that and met people like Andy who's showed me was possible but also gave me a very good Community like experience. So that's that's The quick summary. Okay, I'll explain how I ended up in Bali and my girth so I grew up in the UK and a small town just north of London and I studied in a city called dome in the north of England. I studied maths and economics as an undergrad and Masters in computer science, and after that I finished this was September 2015 and I didn't really want to get a graduate job. So I just pretty much Googled how to make money online and one of the one of the top results that comes up is affiliate marketing and the concept is pretty simple. You don't need to actually sell a product or anything. You just refer people to Amazon to buy stuff and if they buy it you get a commission, so I thought oh this This is pretty interesting. I had a bit of a background in SEO like search engine optimization and I'd previously made some like hip-hop album websites. I used to do some like dodgy dodgy stuff online when I was 16 years old. Yeah. I started doing that may decide about hoverboards in 2015 and and ended up going quite well gave me enough money to come out to Bali. So I actually actually came to Bali because I was dating a girl in England and she was going on a trip. It's appalling and I kind of followed her out there. And yeah, so I came out to Bali for for romantic Pursuit and then that that collapsed within about a week of arriving them, but I thought I'm out here. I might as well make the most of it. So I kind of moved around stumbled across this place Dojo bawling this workspace and it turned out to be just an amazing workspace environment. So many cool people Meg core of their meant there's just all sorts of different characters are there's professional online. Poker players, there's people with already successful businesses as people just looking to start out looking for ideas as journalists. There's social media influences these kind of people. So it's just an amazing environment to be around and meet people ended up staying for six months. And that was yeah that was the start of my nomadic lifestyle I guess. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, I have one question in 2015 you finish your graduate. You did your graduation and you were making money doing SEO? Why did not why didn't you take a job at that point of time? Why did you like was it all because of the girls or or did you have some Clear Vision that you did not want to take a job into something else? So so after I started making the money, so the thing with Amazon affiliate is that they you have to wait about four months to get paid. So I made this money shortly after finishing and like late 2015, but you don't find out if you're going to get paid for a few months because it takes them a long time to process a payment and my friend was actually doing a ski season in the French Alps working in a bar and the guy he was working with a just been fired. So he was like come out and work with me. So I ended up going to France for six months. And that kind of delayed any kind of job studying opportunities. And then once I got back from France, it was getting on for summer 2016 and I knew the money was coming in sand then. Yeah met this girl and I was like, why not go to Bali. So yeah head out there. Yeah. What's interesting is sometimes when you graduate that is pressure for you to find a job. There are different reasons. I mean because the education is being paid for and you have to start kicking in and also the cultural pressure for you to find something that's high paid. It has a brand name and so on but what's interesting about Andy is I think he's not that pushed by those pressures and he wanted to find his own Charter, which is very exciting. I mean it you have to see that, you know, he had some idea about kind of the internet and what things that can be done but it takes a lot more courage for you to actually decide. I don't know but I will just give this a shot which I think is very very important. For both of you to select a why not question. So Andy asked why not go to Bali you asked why not go to Singapore. So it seems like you guys really like jumping on opportunities when you find them you don't Certain think about it much and you just go for the opportunity which is three and and and I think being in the early 20s at that point of time helps because you're in you're still in the mode of rebellion, and that I want to find my own voice maybe so that probably helps in tackling the why not question. Now, this is interesting. I definitely didn't want to live at home. So I was like anything that takes me out I'll take it. But the other thing is even in today's world you can have only so much information, you know, you can draw chart say This is a good this is the bad but what is really help me is to take a leap of faith. You believe in yourself, right? You just know what it is. It's like that coin experiment where you throw something up and you know, the answer before 11:00 false eye that's generally guided me. I don't know if it's all going to end somewhere. But if all the major decisions it seemed to help me and I feel like I'm the leap of faith guy and it's also helped me with some of my Adventures. So I would clear with the specific skydiving experiments, right? It's really helped me literally leap of faith. So that's that's something I really like and it's I think a very good attribute of like entrepreneurs as well because you're if you're doing every what everybody else is asking you to do then it's not the probably the best idea the best business. So just something I often this feels, you know, what is the right decision but Most about what is the most exciting thing for you to do? Yeah, I think the early 20s is just a great time to try as many different Lifestyles as possible. And then I'm 25. I guess I'm mid 20s. But yeah, my I guess my philosophy is it's just nice to try and live as many different lives as possible when you have the freedom the way I look at it is like if you go somewhere like if you go to Bali or you go to Mexico and you don't like it the like worst case you can book a flight and probably be home. The next day in it, like it's really not that much of a commitment these days. I guess it depends on how financially free you already. But at the end of the day is I was the worst that can happen. You know you go there for a week you don't like it and then you go back home for me. Like when I go back home. I normally spend three months of a year maybe back in England and I stay with my parents. I love them to death, you know, but after a couple weeks is saying we drive each other crazy, you know, like It's lovely at Christmas and New Year's and hang out with my friends. But most of them work nine to five jobs. So it's amazing. I spending time with them on the weekends, but during the week it's kind of like I'm just sitting in my parents bedroom. Just like what am I doing? I feel like I'm 16 again. So it's like whenwhen Gore of messages me and says, I'm in Mexico, it's great. It's a bit of a no-brainer to fly out and come and experience it in it point is it's good to ask, you know, what's the worst that can happen and Easier to answer that when your 20s interesting interesting and that's a nice segue. So and I just mentioned that God of made a call and ask them to join for his Mexico trip and how did that happen how so after Bali you guys made up in Mexico and now you're in Singapore. So how is your travel experience has been like together? Yeah, so in basically in Bali I realized I could do this long-term, but the challenge was I was working between New York and Stockholm the folks. I knew and the time different starting to kick because I had to work in the evenings where these folks are by the beach having fun and I'm in this court in spot like coding away and I realized why this doesn't sound that great. But what's the other side of it? Right? I realized these These folks I might have been to other parts of the world and I have always dreamt of going to the Galapagos. I wanted to go to Peru and Machu Picchu. I want to go to salar De uyuni in Bolivia. I wanted to go to first of all, I didn't know what Guatemala was but I figure I figured it out and I never wanted to go to Central America. And so okay. Why don't we go at a different time zone and take a leap of faith again. So I decided to take a one-way flight. Light from Bali Singapore to Quito Ecuador why Ecuador is partly because of Galapagos, but it's one of the most open countries. So being an Indian citizen. It was important for me to visit the countries where I don't need to stand in line to apply for a Visa and the interesting thing is if you have a long-term US Visa B1 and B2 lot of Latin America opens out to you. This is including Mexico Ecuador, Colombia, Peru and so on and so I was like hmm. What Worst that can happen just like what Andy said three months in Ecuador here. Let's give it a shot. Thankfully the folks who I'm working with already. Trust me that I'm doing a good job. Let's see what where this takes me. So I decided to go to Ecuador. I realized shit. I actually look like some of the Latin American folks. So that was that was a good segue. I but I didn't know Spanish. Everybody was speaking Spanish and I was like, I need to get a taxi here in the like guess the Orlando and I wanted to learn Spanish. So interestingly one of the themes is always been to learn something in each of these countries and see the things that I saw on Discovery Channel or National Geographic which my father had shown me a lot of as a kid and a lot of the information start Gathering when I was studying in Singapore and to please exchange trips to Sweden and the u.s. Right and I wanted to go to Machu Picchu and wanted to go to all these countries so I decided I will chop After a few months in Ecuador, but I felt comfortable chart trip over Latin America. There is you know, it's South America and then the Central America, right? And after I quote or moved to Columbia, I went to Peru and all of these were at least a couple of months and every city in a co-working space and interestingly the folks. I met in Bali. I also saw them in meta-gene in Colombia. I saw them in Cusco in Peru and what the most beautiful thing. Uh is the community is very well in it and I met my real good friend of mine and Bali as well just like and Andy knows her as well. She was in Sayulita, which is in the West Coast of Mexico. It's actually the Bali of Mexico if you asked me and she was like, oh this place is great. It has great Wi-Fi fantastic for surfing we were United by our interest in surfing and I was like sounds great would be a great segue into Mexico and I go there and most interesting thing is to do this with other people and I message Andy message me order for the blue. He's like, hey man, I've little board spending spending time with his parents bedroom, and I'm like, yes, exactly and I'm like, hey, I'm here in Sayulita. It's it's amazing and he took a one-way flight to come and interestingly. He spent more time in Sayulita the night. I'm like, I'm out of here in a couple of months, but the beautiful thing has been reconnecting with folks who I met in different parts of the world and now In Singapore and going after these amazing experiences. That's the travel story of me. I'm sure he has an interesting story, too. So what is this travel since buddy? Okay, so I spend around 5 months in Bali chilling with gaurav doing a bit of work. So a lot of my work is I met websites around Black Friday. So like that's one of the biggest times of year for affiliate marketers the deal with consumer products because a lot of people buy a lot of stuff on like Friday. So I make em a website's advertising Black Friday deals. And so yeah, a lot of my work is based around November December kind of time of the year. I was in Bali and so December went back for Christmas. It's been a bit some of my family and after that try to think what I did. I think I came out to Mexico Mexico was 2017, right? Yeah. Yeah, Mexico is 2017. So I spent a bit of time in severe in Spain for a couple months with another guy. I met in Bali french guy and yeah came out to Mexico spend five months out of there. And yeah, it's like a really nice chill place to all you really need these days as Wi-Fi to be honest to do this like remote working depending on what your job is but that was a nice cowork space in Mexico. It's a lot smaller and more intimate than the one in Bali so in Garibaldi there's maybe two hundred people working there several different rooms or different kind of environments. Where as in Mexico that was about 10 of us, which was a nice change from The Barley like the big it was like a very tight-knit little community. And yeah, we would go out for dinner. It echoes each night and go surfing and yeah see each other each day. I was really nice spending about five six months there. And then yeah since Mexico I've been in Brazil four five six months. I was dating Brazilian girl and I was living in São Paulo and yeah, and now came back to Asia because Bali is one of the best places that I've been so far for meeting people and working online. Yeah, that's amazing because Sayulita where we were is a great spot. It's one of those magic towns Puebla Mexico that Mexico has and interestingly I think for Indians Mexican food is amazing in terms of flavor. The tacos the quesadillas most of the time we were actually eating locally in the streets and surfing is a fantastic. It's the whole city is just four by four. Blocks and I had a fantastic apartment and I realized the floor above was getting empty. And so Andy came over and a few other friends of is so we have very fond memories interestingly lot of the great memories of my travel or with other people, even though it might not be adventurously extreme or you like climbing a mountain or you're like going down deep into oceans for example, but it's often with other people. Do you guys have anything yet? Yeah. Yeah, I have a couple of questions. So do you guys follow Nomad list? Yeah, the the guy that made no medalist Peter level was he actually works out of Dojo barley. Sometimes you say. Yeah, we've both met him a few times you can you connect us with beer two levels. I don't I don't know him well enough to be doing introductions, but he's a he's a really cool guy is super friendly guy. And yeah, and he's really inspirational interesting. How does the backpacking seen in Southeast Asia? Compared with the backpacking and digital Nomad seen in Ecuador like Bali is very popular Chiang. Mai is pretty popular, but equal seems new to me like yeah. So on Nomad list, I think it was really helpful for me to figure out where to go and the guy is solving a really necessary problem and interestingly the community in Dojo Bali is being pretty well knit and Ray who's become. The product on the maker of the year and I would do want to Ping him after this is somebody who I saw even before he started this movement and it's an amazing subset of Nomads who are great makers want to join the journey in building products and there are other types of stem and I've seen way different kinds of it was well, I'm very glad because it's picking up and Andrei and I we went free diving on a course up in north of Bali together and it's interesting. The communities developing that being said. Yes. So the most interesting hot spots are in Latin America. It's meta-gene. It's actually Sayulita becoming Mexico City Tulum, even though the internet infrastructure could be better. Lima is interesting. La Paz is growing as well. So there are different communities like the Wi-Fi tribe the remote your and I've seen them interestingly in different parts of When I was doing it alone, I've always wanted to do it alone because the programs often after a time you have to follow the course and I depending on my Visa status, you know, it's those programs focused more on kind of European and American folks who had free entry and I had to figure things out myself, but I realize actually wanted to go to some of these exotic places and figure it out myself because after three months of Ecuador had the confidence in Spanish where I knew I could feel comfortable. At the same time I saw the weworks popping up. And this was now in Medellin. I saw we were coming up in Mexico City where I spent six months. There's a we work in Lima. That was very very comfortable. And so those things really started to give me the confidence that I can do this, even though these are not hot spots and they're becoming so if you take my bet icing in five years, you'll find these folks not only in Chiang Mai or Bali but also in these Especially Mexico City is amazing for Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who want to if they have a Runway they can actually double it by being in Mexico City. When you say Andre, you mean Andre has some of the guy who spent annually on this one camera straight. I'm very happy for we should bring him after this. Yes. Yeah, he's very inspirational and I've been following him on Twitter. I think I came to know about him like six or seven months ago. I've been seeing his craft. Yeah interesting to it say like job well done to him project. They have any questions. Yeah one guy. That I had which is somewhat different from travel today, but I believe when you started God of this is one. This one's for you. I was just saying that when when gaurav you started traveling when you were in Bali and then they are travel suppose that you working as a you working in a product role as opposed to an engineering role. Is that right? And so I was interested in sort of knowing about I mean for software engineering being a software engineer myself I can very much imagine that It sounds something that can easily be removed table. But for a product role I always imagined that to be something which has like a ton of interaction a ton of meetings. How was your experience like on that perspective did that was at a problem? How do you how do you how do you compare it to your software engineering days when I guess the first couple of years of college you were first working as a software deaf. Yeah, that's a great question. So the answers are multiple multiple fold. So my background is from a engineering background. And so I started my career being a software engineer and interestingly when I started working with markable the startup with people have already worked with I started off being an engineer and that's how it started off in Bali and also in Ecuador. And this has I moved to Columbia and so on but interestingly after you had specific maturity of a product where people are asking for it. It turned out that I spent a lot of time with clients and specifically the engineering and the computer vision team this because it is a visual search product was based out of New York City where I've made constant trips, but since I was involved in building the first set of apis in products, I start my rol started becoming very be kind facing and I realized I'm spending less time with engineering specifically but more time working with and so that informed the product decisions of how things need to go specifically for the remote lifestyle. It is definitely easy for software Engineers because there are tools like GitHub and slack and joy and fellow where you can, you know, just ship code and contribute to the product and there are definite ways of doing it with Management it's less. So it's really important the underlying core of why it had worked for me was because there was trust I have worked with Jonas the person I work with her for a long five years. So the working experience really helped because I know the capacity of him and what he expects of me and how he expects me to work with clients. He being the CTO and it was a very small team. So it's the role was less important. It is more getting stuff done in a start-up like environment. We were to not more than 15 people interestingly. If you look at big companies and these are Silicon Valley companies, right? It gets more siloed into a specific role and they are remote opportunities with companies like GitHub and buffer and so on and interestingly they even give you a relocation bonus. So some of the companies that are based out of Silicon Valley will pay you to move away from Silicon Valley because it costs them. You can actually make more money by going remote and these are for specific roles. I don't see that yet for PMS but the PM role is becoming part of that, you know remote opportunity for small to mid-sized companies small more. So if you've already worked with the team and so I think a lot of the remotes Nomads working with startups and product like environments by the way, and he doesn't it's amazing. You see so many other people is it's the relationship you have and how you can convince yourself. Your team and the company you do so. II don't want to make this like an engineering podcast. But yeah, I just want to say that I think a remote work is the future and a lot of VC money ends up going to real estate agents. Like you pay salary to a day when the deaf ends up being that money to a real estate agent you get VC money from your PC and you end up giving it to V work or some other real estate company so I can see why remote work is like like the future people are distributed like if if I have an insult. In team which is covering five different time zones, then I have 24/7 customer support as well so I can see why remote work is the future and we are totally on board with that. In fact, I read in fact, I read this read this article by Naval ravikant who was who is also a very strong supporter of remote work partly because he led in zero and like their job is to connect startups and people Nice work coming back to travel. I'd like to ask Andy about how do you go about like, it's the most strategic question. How do you go about planning your ear? Like how far do you look in the future like to see you? You told me that you work in October November December and then how far do you plan your quarters? Do you apply for visas beforehand when you book your tickets or is it very spontaneous? I would say spontaneous is probably the most It's a cure word. So yeah, October November December even September. I like to be settled in one place knowing that I can stay there for a few months and work. So last year was São Paulo in Brazil. I was working in a nice. It was like a Regis co-working space had an office them the year before that. It was Mexico say liter and the year before that it was Polly so that time of year. I like to know I'm going to be settled somewhere for the next few months with no no distractions or no changing but the rest of the year are Emily go home for Christmas back to London and then yeah, hang around in London until January February go on a couple like most of my friends will go and ski trips to France. So join them. It's nice to like spend the holiday with friends because I don't get to see them that much to rest of the year if I'm away. So it's a nice time to catch up just like yeah. I kind of commit December January February to just catching up with old friends that I'd like to spend more time with that. I don't get to see much rest of you and then once it gets to February Pitching to go away. So I'm just kind of looking to looking to go over someone to if like any idea just comes up. I'll just jump on it to be honest. So yeah this year I chose to go back to Bali because it seemed like a good place. But yeah, it's pretty it's pretty spontaneous. To be honest. I'll just go wherever wherever I feel like life is taking me at that moment. And yeah, I like to spend at least a few months and each place because spending if you just go to one place for a few weeks and move around which a lot of people do a lot of people Just traveling though spend a few days and then move on but it's I find that can be pretty stressful. You know, you don't feel like you're rooted down in one place and it's hard to actually when you're looking to get work done. I find it takes at least a week before you can really get into a routine of working. So in Bali, I know that I have a routine and I can settle down into of like doing a little surfing everyday and then working the rest of the time and as like a nice workspace, but when you go to when you arrive at a new place, it's stressful, you know. No, because you don't have it. You don't have a group of friends. You don't have you don't know where you're going to go and eat and there's a lot of things it takes a little while to familiarize yourself with so, yeah, I wouldn't recommend spending less than a few months in any one place to get a real because you want to feel like you're actually living somewhere, you know, if you just feel like you're moving around and it's just like an extended holiday. Yeah, it's nice. So I like to stay at least few months in each place. And yeah Bali seems like a good place to spend a little while. Do you plan so okay, I agree the trips could be spontaneous. But do you plan like the next five years next three years and is like any short-term planning in that sense? No, no verdict. I mean - find your short-term planning such pretty long term. I mean, I guess I guess maybe the next the next couple years. I'd like to keep traveling keep exploring new places. Places and find a place where I'd like to set them because I think eventually it's nice to settle down and anchor yourself in one place like gaurav right now is chosen to settle down in Singapore, which is cool. And yeah, eventually I'd like to settle down but right now I still feel like I'm in that that stage of just trying to figure out where the best place is to do that and I mean so many places now to explore the I think it takes a lot of your early 20s and even late twenties to figure that out, you know, like it can be like Five year plus plus Journey around around different spots trying to figure out where the best places. Yeah like me and little in your late 20s, you get to settle in the early 20s you get hurt again D. So that's like pieces into the next topic. Why did you decide to like finally stay in Singapore and stop the digital Nomad lifestyle is just a temporary thing. What do you think Asura p.m. You might grab my try to expand somewhere else. Will you be traveling around which the idea of your side? Yeah, that's a great question. I traveled around Latin America and Bali and was a little bit of Vietnam for close to two years and a little more and I went after my dreams. I wanted to learn how to skydive. I wanted to learn Spanish and learn salsa in Medellin and this is three months amazingly beautiful. I wanted to go and have a spiritual experience in Peru. I want to climb the Machu Picchu and I realized after. For a couple of years that sometimes things can get lonely and you miss the community and there is people think it gets really tiring. It's not as tiring, but you miss the beauty of being in one place and I never thought about it, you know, if you look at a normal life everybody lives in one place, if you look at history you grow up in one place you ideally live there and also the either and it's Interesting where you have been there and done that and I missed a community. I wanted to build like, for example, I play the Tabla as an instrument which are learned when I was a kid and I could not do that traveling. I wanted to do continue competitively swimming which I did again as a kid, but that's very tricky to do when you're traveling even though you're up in the oceans and so on and I wanted to be more Or and kind of one place build roots and so interestingly Singapore has always been open to me and five years ago Singapore when I came there were no a tech companies at this scale or growth. They were very young and trying to figure out what they want to be. And then now you see the likes of grab-and-go Jack entering and you also see companies like Google who are focusing on the next billion users and stripe and for folks focusing on southeast Asia as a market and I also missed having a team that I worked face-to-face because it can really help help collaborative skills. You can learn a lot building things together in the same physically kolak and I missed that and I knew what it was a difference between remote and working with people in the same place, and I wanted to grow my career I think Look back. I feel there's my scope of career growth could have been higher if I had been a fizzy and so I decided to go after that and Singapore and the opportunity that I have which I'm very excited about it involves some amount of traveling in Southeast Asia and it's in the payments part of the business. I'm really really excited about and I decided to pick one place and do these things. Yeah. Actually I was listening to another podcast that God was on The wandering The Wanderers the world Wanderers podcast, even there you you talked about how getting back in touch with your parents was also an important part of your of your thought process and I think that yeah that comes with age as well that kind of going back to the roots thing. Yep. Yeah, that's actually really important. I am very grateful for my parents. You know, they brought me over. Away where they were really open to all experiences and they say Go-Go or figure out your ways and I'm so grateful for them and I realized especially in the last two years have been so far away. My mom is like I'll come to Mexico and I'm like, you know, I'm not going to be here in this specific spot. I don't know how to plan her trip and I do want to take her around the world those are new set of dreams, but I think that's now having me seen the world and I realized I could do that by being more rooted as opposed to, you know, traveling in different spots. And so that's Andy Andy area, yeah go to shout out my parents as well. Like I think a lot of us that do this. I will look to our parents like they my parents paid for me to go to university in England and they supported me through all of that. And then after I finish they were pretty Keen for me to get a financial job that kind of thing. I went for a couple interviews. I didn't really go to well I didn't really like it and yeah, I told him I want to try this affiliate marketing thing. I like I think I can make money. Me online and the first few weeks. It was like anyone starting a new site will know that it's like it's you start from nothing. So you have no traffic. So the first couple weeks I remember ice like someone bought a book online. So I got like two dollars commission and someone bought a mattress and I got like ten dollars commission and my parents would come up to my room and be like, oh you sort of mattress like you're doing so well, I taking the piss, you know, and but yeah, they supported me for months while I was just still making nothing and then eventually I managed to find That worked and yeah, I'm just I'm just really grateful that they provided me that opportunity to keep trying and yeah now it's just it's just nice to know that they're proud of me for what I do and they they don't want me to go into that conventional kind of job lifestyle. Yeah. So where are men like a lot of a lot of gifts we have on our early 20s show. It's very rare to have these the supporting the support that you that you guys had a lot of the stories that we hear is people going off beat and then they have to get to a certain level for the parents to believe in them. So interesting with no no real segue. I want to ask a random question. It's worth. I think you might be asked this quite a lot since you travel. What's the craziest travel Story Each of years. Too many too many crazy travel stories. Now this might sound a bit braggy British. I'm gonna I when I went to Sweden and I took a trip to Norway where I invited my mom is well, this was in the fjords. I saw folks and these are the cliffs and there's like these small waterways, right and the big Cliffs. I saw people base jumping out of it, right and these are you know, specific parachutes and you just jump off a cliff and this was when I was 17 years old. And I realized wow, I didn't tell my mom that I want. What did you do it, but then I realized when I took a trip to Ecuador, I can go to and learn skydiving specifically in the US where it's more safe than other parts of the world and there is a track to do it and I always have it in the back of my mind to go learn how to skydive solo. And so I've and and that and then I go back and I feel you know, it is one of the craziest things that I am very happy I did and I continue to do so is jump off a plane with your own parachute and be in that space where you want to feel the fear, but the same time accepted and it's amazing because it teaches your lot of these life lessons and I didn't tell my mom after that till from the 21st chump and she doesn't watch my videos anymore, but I That was probably one of the craziest things I've done and my father who's been in the Army. I've always updated him about the status and he's like, oh that's good. God of I won't tell Mom and so he's always been of support which I'm excited about. So that's a quick my story couple of questions. So I went skydiving earlier this year like a month ago in Dubai in the Palm. It was a lot of fun. It was amazing. It was liberating when you jump off of playing you are only in the moment. So but this quarter ER is someone so they don't teach me Teach time anymore. But I plan on doing typing in the third quarter when it's winter here. So did you jump off a plane and beliefs and like on the Great Blue Hole? It's a great question. I was really thinking about it. So interestingly my last few months I spent in Merida. So Mexico is a very big country and I divide and like conquered it like method to the madness. Right? I saw you inside leader, which is amazing. And then I went to Mexico City, which is a Using City, I'd always go back. It's amazing great food. Great people and then I'm like hmm. There is Playa Del Carmen and Tulum and Cozumel and bellies and and there's this, you know, the blue hole and I've seen videos of people jumping out and I don't think I'm there yet. So it takes a lot more jumps and practice before you can land on water. So the first step of the process is a FF which is accelerated Free Fall, which is seven jumps and then you get the a license at 25 jumps. Soooo, and you start diving so lonely after 11th, and then you get your be license, which is watered water landing. Only after fifty-plus jumps in you have to give the tests and this is with the USP a u.s. Parachute Association. And so I wasn't ready to land in water, but that's continuing to be dream even including the Dubai Palms, which I can it's just one of those long-term dreams having That on Thousand jumps before you can jump. That's right. Now you do jump Solo in the Palm without a thousand Chomps exactly. I jumped under went a sticker. I have a friend who's taking the license and now he's also going for a pilot's license. So so you can leave the plane when he jumps. Yeah, that's the idea. Yeah. It's amazing because ten years ago. This was a very expensive Sport and I felt like, you know, it's possible for me to spend this money and do that and I invested in a parachute and I want to continue doing that and it's more accessible to more and more people. I often tell people it's for those who this is not for people who it's rather for people who believe in calculated risk, and it's just an adventure. I don't know if I might do it a long term because I can do it when I'm young and single and I have but sometimes I think about it my power when I think about my mother I feel like, you know, maybe I should be doing this long because since it's such a risky thing. But I'm glad I did it was the first jump was I spent days thinking about it a lot of the struggles in your mind and meditation helped and I realize now I love doing it with other people. I'm caught. I'm confident enough doing it alone and these formations that you can do with other people. It's amazing specifically from an Indian context. This came about after watching that movie. Yeah ZM D now. It's like you know what? This is possible to write why not and interestingly. I think the actor is actually a solo diver to know for on. Yes. He is and he's learned his solar diver in some of these locations. So why not? Right and he can sit fly which is like you sit you sit and you can fly that's like you got to go a few more stages, which is exciting to see You're so fun fact skydiving is 3 times C for In Scuba Diving most more people die scuba diving every year. So skydiving is very safe base jumping is very very dangerous. I think one in 200 people died doing the farc that's intense row. Yeah, and if you're your craziest travel story going to say I guess I'm pretty lame. I don't really have one man. Yeah. I've been lucky. Travel to a lot of places like psycho down death Road in Bolivia. That was pretty fun. It's just like it's kind of sketchy cycle route and Bolivia and along the mountains. It's because Bolivia is pretty high. It's like a few thousand meters above sea level and Lopez and there's a cycle route Called Death Road, and it's normally pretty sunny when people do it and the day we did it. It was super heavy rain torrential rain and fuck we got absolutely. Sorry. I just it's warm. It's pretty bad. But we got we got absolutely blasted with the rain and we we managed to get to the bottom after a few hours. It's like 80 kilometers in total and then I'm Mini Bus got stuck on the way back. So we had to spend the night on this minibus on death Road. And yeah, it was a real a real bonding moment between all the other tourists packed on board. And yeah, we didn't know if we were going to we're going to make it back, but eventually they put us up in this random hostile in the smaller Bolivian town and we Dripping learning code but yeah, we made it in the end. But yeah, I mean, I'm lucky to have been to a lot of different countries and seeing things but nothing too crazy to be honest. Maybe I'm maybe I'm too chilled as a person. I need to I need to jump into some more action at this is interesting. I think and he's one of the good Surfers that I have seen when I was in Bali he used to be up at 6:00 a.m. The guard some of the big waves and this is Father. This is further out in changu and And jungle is known for beginner waves when you are in the first hundred meters, if you go further out, it's like some of these big waves and and he's really good Surfer. So he used to wake up at like 5:30 take his bike and figure out a surfboard and then be out in the water is that I used to tell him Andy. I don't know if I could wake up that early in them in the morning and or do I make these amazing waves, but please can you wake me up. He tried a couple of times and never been it after Any any questions guys, we can move into the final questions certain God of you touches upon the things that you sort of did not like in terms of when you were answering the fact that why have you decided to sort of set in Long? What about you Andy? What did you think was out of the like any small points that you face problems on or something something like that, but you I mean parts of this nomadic lifestyle that you did not enjoy for you. So yeah, I'm sure I'm sure you are the pros outweigh the cons and that's why you decided to do it. But what do you think are the consulate? Yeah, I think there's definitely downsides to The Nomad kind of lifestyle that people tend to brush over when you just research it online and stuff. Like I think the main one is just having a base group of long-term friendships and family around you because that can be quite stressful, especially when you arrive in a new place, you know, you wake up and Just like where am I getting? You have to remind yourself? Okay. I'm here and you quickly realize that like each day is what you make of it, you know because you don't have that network of friends that you know are going to be around to hang out or whatever at the weekend. So you really have to put yourself out there and for someone that's like a bit more introverted maybe and a bit more reserved like you really have to make the effort to go out and meet people and like I guess the the upside of that is that like on the days where you do like you do bond with people and you end up going out for a really nice meal. It's like it's really amazing feeling because you realize that you did this all on your own, you know, like you're in this situation enjoying this meal with friends or you're out having fun and it's completely your own doing, you know, you didn't you weren't just here because your friend invited you or something. It's just like this is like, I'm just so I'm just here because I made I made this life for myself and similarly if there's Is where you're not feeling so up going out and doing stuff. Then you you realize that. Yeah, you can just spend all damn bad, but you're going to feel crappy if you do that. So it's a you were I guess you kind of realize that life is completely what you make of it when you're doing this like living in different places. And yeah, I guess the downside to the temporary kind of life is that you don't have that safety net to fall back on of I'm just going to hang out with these guys at the weekend because we always hang out anyway, so you really have to put yourself out there and unfortunate self to to meet new people and the the friendships that you make are really worth it in the end. And yeah, I think it can really it develops parts of your personality that you otherwise would just not even bother to try and work on if you're just comfortable in a life back home. Yeah, that's interesting. I think the community aspect is very important and and it is growing and you'll find people who are in similar experiences in the same city that you travel to the other thing is also having a good work schedule and an idea of how work gives meaning to you and he has it because he's working on some very interesting things and for me it was working with people that I know who are way smarter than I am and working on a product. That is the very But has initial traction and so work give me meaning when there are days where you feel like shit where you don't feel like waking up sometimes and that those days come and it's true whether you're living in a normal City long-term or even your nomadic and so it's important you open that discussion up is well, especially because when you read articles is Andy mentioned, it's all oh this is amazing. Everybody should be doing it. There are these not so nice things or things that you have to accept before you get it. Embark on it. Where do digital Nomads Network digitally? Is it on Nomad list or Facebook group where to find you guys if I'm going to Newtown. How do I find out who's in Bali or and how do you just stay connected? Yeah, that's a great question. I think there are new communities coming up like the remote here and Wi-Fi tribe and I even thought a hacker Paradise. These are specifically for software engineers and you'll find people who are in the hackers as part of that community and I saw them in Lima and it was really interesting. So that's one the second is for me. It was always I went to a new place where I knew somebody who I can get introduced to and this was because I knew folks in The Chiang Mai's and ball he's who I asked. Hey, I'm going to Medellin who should I meet interestingly Medellin is the digital Nomad Hub in Latin America specifically because there is no Matt Cruz that goes between Medellin and Europe I think twice a year and back and I met so many folks in Marine who I met in other parts of Latin America just fascinating and so there are you can ask anybody I'm going to the specific Town, who should I hang? Out with who should I meet and it's amazing how connected the world is they'll tell you and the people who you go meet in the new city will also come and give you the ropes the first and the second day but interestingly some of these are easier to find now you can find an Airbnb for a couple of months. You know, there's a we work you go in and you realize handy I'm seeing you again in this part of the world. It's fascinating. So those are the communities and it's and it's growing Yeah, I mean the world is a big place but a lot of people doing this remote lifestyle end up in the same few places because of sites like Nomad list and these kind of for anyone that doesn't know Nomad list is basically a website that lets you filter and find a place to go and work based on whatever priorities you have. So you can search based on air pollution cost of living Wi-Fi speed ratio of girls to guys and area like, it's really it's really impressive this dude Peter. Has built this website and is the super popular website for deciding where to go and work and I think yeah changu in Bali which is where we met. That's currently the number one spot on there and places like places like Medellin and Mexico. They're pretty high up. But yeah, it's a really good really good tool to find places to work for the Indian people listening to the podcast. It also takes care of your Visa situation. So if you can put your country there will tell you what country you can visit Visa free cool. Yeah, so moving to the moving To The Meta question and and I Outsource this question to our mutual friend Karishma and I asked Karishma. What are some interesting questions that I should ask God of shoes. Like ask him has he has he has he been able to process the whole experience yet? And I want to ask you the same question because you're moving around like every four months. Are you able to process the whole like like what you learned and how you're moving ahead. Do you have that time to do that? Yeah, this is interesting because I just moved to Singapore not more than like six weeks ago and I feel like I'm here only for the next couple of months because of the way I've been running the last few years when I moved into the new house I hear for the next couple of years. I'm thinking twice about buying plants or buying something that I you know would not use exactly right and we Minimalist like if you see Andy, he's just on one bag. And so it takes a while to realize you need a little more things. You can make it feel like home feel like you and that's actually the beauty of it too. And so in takes a lot more time just like Andy mentioned to move to a new place but a lot more time to kind of figure out your routines and make it feel like home. So I'm still processing that I'm not landed this. Lane yet, I think this would take a couple of months a whole quarter at least but I'm okay and interestingly when Andy was here is the first person I'm talking about my nomadic life after I settled I'm like hmm. This sounds exciting again, but I deliberately made this choice and I'm very happy about it and it does reduce the freedom. Ways but it opens the depth of this kind of the rooted life that you can experience, which I'm looking forward to. Yeah, I think it is. It is sometimes hard to reflect and take stock of where you are when you move around so much but I think that the time that I spend at home each year, maybe a few months you chairs definitely time where you know, you reconnect with friends and family that you've known since you were little and you really evaluate your time what you've been doing the last few months and yeah the friendships that you make the last the distance low my friendship with go for example, like you take those forward and Each place you go. Even if even if you don't like it so much. You still pick up things that are going to last long term, like maybe you mean one or two people that are going to be your friends or you discover a new food that you really like. So yeah, I feel it's yeah, it's definitely hard to take stock of what you're doing when you move around so much but I guess that's something that I hope that in my 30s and 40s even I'll let look back and be like, oh, yeah, I had fun moving around because at the time it can be quite hard to really appreciate what you're doing. You know it. Feels like you quickly get used to whatever you're doing. So I've been doing this for a few years now and it doesn't seem that interesting to me anymore. But then when you speak to people back home who work in London or whatever all the time that all that sounds amazing such cool life. It's like I mean, I guess it is but I didn't really it's you get normalized to a very quickly, you know, like as humans. We just adjust to yeah, we don't we don't find things exciting very quickly. So I guess I just you get used to it, but I hope one day our Reflect and appreciate that. It was really good Adventure. I've been looking to living out of a hotel puts for the past two months, and I'm also buying and I'm also buying furniture now and I think it will be me down and I love to be here for a while to ensure that I make use of the furniture. So yeah, that scares me is well buying furniture. Yeah, they'll move to the last question. I was saying we should definitely touch upon any travel hacks that you people might have. Like if any because I am a given like the years of travel you would have probably traveled ten times more than I would have and I'm sure they would have if anything comes to mind. Yeah, great question. So be as light as possible Right the less you own the easier it is to move so but never forget the most Essentials for you, whatever it might mean. So for example interestingly, I carried my yoga mat which is manuka and a foam roller really small one everywhere. I went the second was a very light towel that is can quickly dry the microfiber. Actually, I had this Roost stand for my MacBook Pro where I can connect it with another keyboard, but it made me not type away. You know, the the new keyboards are not that great. Exactly. And so that is really really helped me. I always carry a phone which has double Sim because every country that you go to you can get a local Sim, but you still have your home country's number. What as also really helped me is invest in different layers of clothing because I remember being climbing Cotopaxi which is regularly high mountain, but I didn't have enough layering button. So thankfully invested in like low-level layering, which is like really powerful and you can rent the rest and I carried it because sometimes you're in really cold weather, please sometimes your index. Necklaces, and so it's not a lot if you think about it and people are surprised when I tell them, you know, this is the bag that I carry and it's super utilitarian interestingly. One of the challenges about skydiving is you have to pack your own parachute without supervision before you get the so-called are license and I realize the powers of packing if you roll a towel right and you can snuck it into like the corner it takes way less space then. Like you putting it like a shirt and I could I realized I could fit in like 20% more and I dreaded packing, you know the days before you leave a city and you move to another it feels not again, but this change my framing of packing. I'm like my can actually fit so much more I could do all of my stuff in one hour before I could travel and I felt like that really helped me move. He's the process of it anything for you and Travel hacks. I mean I get I get super obsessed with packing as light as possible. So I think that the first thing is to choose a backpack that's going to be ideal for you. So if you choose a really big backpack, you're just going to fill it with stuff that you maybe don't need. So choose one as small as you can go packing cubes are your best friends as well? So you can put all your t-shirts roll up all your t-shirts put them in a little packing Cube for them down. I like waterproof sacks as well for storing all your stuff. Have a little waterproof sack for my electronics. And yeah, just I just try and pick everything as light as possible to be honest. I've recently got really into the bum bag or Fanny Pack. They're very they're very unfashionable devices, but they're very handy, especially when you're just going to use in your early 20s, by the way. These are more like older people using this but and he's British. They're not very cool. But especially we don't have zip Pockets. It can be stressful moving through an airport. But you know, you can you can hide it under a baggy t-shirt. And keep your passport wallet and everything in there. Yeah. That's my that's my life Pro tip. Yeah, I think that would be super helpful for all fellow Travelers of there. Yep. The the yeah, I didn't get gani might have a lot to learn from this podcast actually because he travels quite a lot and over the last couple of years has been traveling all over Europe and and we're also planning a trip to Brazil actually sometime this year. They are sometimes this year. Hopefully we are we have no idea. But we're going somewhere. We're going somewhere. So we're thinking like we should do one trip per year last year. We were in Sri Lanka before it before drying towels found very useful. Yeah before before wrapping up the podcast that this is the last question. We ask every guest of ours and it's what's what's one advice for one piece of advice. You would give your own 19 year old self looking back. I would say Say I was studying at that time when I was 19, so she's entering my second year of study. I would say go on the The Gap here that your University encourages you to take. So a lot of universities and Europe have Erasmus programs where you can go and study in another University and all my friends. Who did it had an amazing time and I guess that's one thing. I regret about University not doing that. It gives you the chance to pick up a new language whether it's Spanish or French and yeah, and you don't really have to do Much work. You just have to pass a fairley's like write an essay at the end of it or something after one year's work and that just seems like a really amazing experience where you get to meet a lot of like-minded people and yeah, I guess doing an Erasmus is my one regret from my University years. That's a good piece of advice the specific advice as I look back for myself would be no on the lines of think kind of more long-term because thankfully I was part of the technology industry and I knew there was taking off and that's something not I did not because of my parents wanted me to do so, but I realized I had like an interest and I Where it was taking me, but again, it was a leap of faith decision that kind of led to all these things. Right? It's likes balance between like really jumping into something but also thinking of the long-term consequences of it, especially in a chair in a world where things are changing so fast, the second is in the lines of it's less about you really working hard and that is really important but also about kind of the knowing interesting people. And you know often finding a job or finding the next amazing co-founder or finding a great idea comes from meeting interesting people and put yourself in a spot whether you are like an introverted or extroverted person because it has really helped me and I wish it could have helped me more where I just went out MET these people who are doing interesting things and it's amazing how they can help you. This can be strangers. But also, you know friends you asked. Can you please introduce me to this person because They seem to be in the same industry and I can take advice from them. Maybe they wouldn't reply but the folks who do if you meet them and you show the interest can really change your career. This seems very cliche. But the this specific advice for me is so Jonas who I met in University who I tend to work the last five years gave me the opportunity to go to remote and this was when in time where it wasn't conventional it wasn't oh, this is what it means. But I was happy to be given that opportunity and actually LED for me to do all these things and it was the could not have happened if I didn't say hi to him because he was doing some interesting hacking thing and one of these events and any of us, right, so just get out of the way say hi to people especially in early twenties because you never know how they can change but it feels a little uncomfortable. It's it's pretty interesting where it can take you thanks for sharing that in fact to and is 2 and this piece of advice. It's very Different from Indian culture we're taking a gap year is like you're putting yourself down. It's very it's completely 180 super interesting. Yeah, to be honest. I in my when I was like when I decided to go for my University, I never even thought of like taking a gap year or something like that and I currently I'm in London and I've already met like so many people who have done that like probably again because they did the universities in Europe in European setting but I think is just a is just this is just something that will come to Indian culture slowly. But I think it's definitely required because people in probably come with economic freedom. Yeah, but but I think I think even lot of people Social Security in it. I think even a lot of people who are not sort of press Don so like owning for their family just go for like it's a given that oh, you'll do complete your school and then you go for University. We're in I mean it's a it's a different. It's a different world. Really, I mean outside India in terms of competition and yeah. No, one Indian listeners, please watch these two movies three idiots and wood on the in this movie in which the guy says that a child is like a fixed deposit. So you spend 18 years and after that you need to get like some significant returns out of it. Yeah. That's true. Anyway is this is a super super interesting podcast man, very different to the ones that we've done so far because a lot of our network is sick similar Tech guys out of our college. So yeah. What interesting thanks for thanks for coming on the show very surprised by how this turned out within within a span of 24 hours and how everything worked out. I think when you're going on your flight tomorrow, you'll remember remember this trip. So yeah, thanks. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you for having us man. It's been really really fun. Yeah, you guys are doing some amazing things and we have to be there. Yeah when she Bonkers when spoken in waiting for The podcast you probably said why not? Yeah, exactly. I think John she was like I did this podcast and I was introducing and Andy to see bunker and he's like hmm. This could be interesting. So is it was a leap of faith on his side on your side's it was a leap of faith on our sides. It's amazing where it let us do so we are very happy to be here. I'll link all of your Social Links not and he's because and is not social media guy, but I'll link god of Social Links in the show notes, and anything that has been discussed in the show notes as always. Thank you audience were tuning in. See you next Sunday. Bye. Bye. You can't take this away from me the way I hear the melody the waist bring Clarity running through me.
It takes a lot more courage to say, "I don't know, but I'll just give this a shot" and that is very very important. -- Gaurav   On this episode of the Early Twenties podcast, we sit down with Andy & Gaurav, two digital nomads who have been living the nomadic lifestyle for the better part of the last 3 years! Gaurav has now settled into a one-place lifestyle in Singapore, while Andy is still moving around every three months and is currently based out of Bali. Gaurav & Andy first met in Dojo Coworking in Bali, and then have travelled to Mexico together -- all while Gaurav explored the Galapagos in Ecuador, learnt Spanish and travelled through Latin & Central America, while Andy skied in the Alps and surfed in Bali! We talk about their remote work lifestlyes, how they view the early twenties as the time to explore, discuss the not-so-good aspects of living as a nomad, and also peek into a couple crazy travel stories! The whole discussion centers around the theme of "Taking the leap", which is good advice when it comes to skydiving, but honestly, it scales really well to almost every aspect of life! If there is one Early Twenties podcast you have to listen to, this is it! And as always, we are looking forward for your feedback(both the good & the bad!) -- shoot it our way, we are @earlytwentiespodcast on Instagram! 