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And that's all we have. We are so excited to see you guys it has been for ever and I know just like the rest of us you've been feeding for Arrow, but more importantly the after-show. So thank you for joining us. I'm your host Ellie Cano Bradford joined by some very amazing people that I would like to say. Hello themself. Hello. Hello everybody. My name is Matt Maher, and I'm so excited. I wore my shirt and we I'm just amped I'm just Aunt this was a comic book nerds to light. Do you like I feel like it's been forever. I'm Olivia Tibor totally. I'm so happy. Be back finally and I am twinning with Matt today. I'm Carolina bonetti wearing my OG Arrow Shirt. Hey, we all wore green. We all were color green. I'm so excited. She horny on Calico. No Bradford. She's extra. I love it above and beyond. Well, you guys know the deal and if this is your first time joining us welcome as I said before, But for the newbies this end of the table belongs to you because you are co-hosting this show with us as always. So please join us in the chat use hashtag a BTV arrow in all things social media and yeah join the conversation beginning with hashtag who I love to hate. Yeah. So let me know you're here. I love to hate. I'm in the chat speaking of chat busy Byron. Hey Christian, Ryan. I've been so does my husband my husband waiting for I love you. Ivan is waiting for you. I'm just waiting. Yeah, black magic Nine-Nine. Everyone's back. You know this makes this warms my heart. Welcome back everybody. So I'm going to be on the chat. Let me know who I love to hate. Yes. Yes. No, let her know who you love to hate. Yeah that your hashtag who I love to eat. Yeah, you know what? I mean? Anyway, well, why don't we start with you? Karolina? So I think everybody's going to be shocked. I hope everybody's sitting down Felicity. I'm so angry at her for not being in the So Dan, okay. Well planned. Well fight. All right, I see how you did that. Thank you. Thank you. I love Felicity so much that I just feel really let down. I understand that like Emily butts record is amazing and she's a great actress. So she went off to go, you know do actory stuff other places, but I just I need Felicity. Yeah, and I feel really let down so I'm gonna hate on the fact that she wasn't here but they kept talking about her and her fancy smoke Technologies. But yeah, I mean I had to stand in for using how to stand. Oh yeah that was I knew it wasn't going to be her. I was like it's about to be sick counting fantastic. She turned around. I was like even kind of looked yeah just freaked out. I did I had a meltdown for sounds like was that pumps this whole summer was I crying in my bed every night this whole summer for no reason. I know babe we big spoon little spoon for everything. This episode like come on. I just I love the quote. I love the quote that I Oliver said he's like in my Earth you had a better teacher. It's like yeah. Y'all were lame in this episode. That was good. They were they were equally whom I love date my who I loved to hate was Katie Cassidy. Actually. It was kind of on board. It was Katie Cassidy with long hair because short hair black. And Airy and everything, I loved it so much. I loved her hair. I loved her outfit. I didn't hate anything in here. And I just want to say somebody else that we love because we want to remember y'all. We have a new producer and engineer on the show. He's gonna be with us the whole you season. Let's give it up for Ryan everybody so much. I'm honored to be here. This feels like a happy place. It's a yeah, it is your guns. This one goes dark, but it's okay. You're going to have your Gonna have to calm us down. So we just need to tell people who you are now. Brilliant. You gotta chill Matt. Well, what up? What up? Kona Who Do You Love To Hate? I mean, I have like three at this point. So my first one are we surprised not really who the hell decided that we are going to do is flash-forwards. I still hate you. Oh, wow. All right. Okay, I mean they're getting their own show. They're going to continue. Just great and I think it belongs in its own show 100% but in this show, it seems so irrelevant. I'm like, no, I think it's going to get tight in because we went to another Earth to do the little errand for the Monitor and I think that we're going to see Stephen in the future with his daughter before the end of the week. So I know so I Feel It In My Bones, oh, you're so right shit. Okay. Well, well this shows explicit is I got my other hashtags. Okay. Okay, JJ. He took me off more than one time and I just need these. A great actor JJ. Yeah, I hate anything about that man. Well sigh hashtag really hated was Adrian Chase. Oh, yeah. It was so weird to see him try to be the hood, but he was not like how all of our Queen was like dark angry good versus evil. It was just like he was a butthole for the sake of being a butthole because he felt like someone was crashing in on his territory and he was being like that Macho like there can't be two I'm with you on that one because I actually wrote a note when I was watching and I was like Do they get tired of writing the like over testosterone to machismo? Because I feel like every time they get too hot men in a room. They have like a catfight over like who is more like important and who should be listened to more and when they both said suit up and they had that moment. I was like is this even necessary like this one season eight? Can we just not? Yeah, but they were both. I love you. I think my love down. I loved that. I loved my chemist. They said suit up. No my Chi's most of it. Yeah, at least I got that because we got to think to this is a female showrunner and the last time like two or three season 1 2 3 was not Beth and charge of this. I think it was a conscious Choice. Yeah. I actually I even called out because I wanted to remember that. I know I have it somewhere. Well, I think you saw it as a joke. So I was like, I'm so over the oh, yeah Josh Seger's is the actor and actually wanted to I thought he did a great job as an actor of being a totally different 83 Case and I totally thought they were making fun of that old-school Oliver you have there's any row LOL. That's what I got. That's that's what I was thinking too. Like I was like, this is kind of an Ode to season one Oliver of just like being a grump and then both Oliver's baby and then both solvers being together in the same room. And then and then he kind of towards the end. He came around, you know, and he realized who Oliver was so I think I think I think it was a good choice on that but I can jump on this band. What about the chat? What are they saying? I love to hate Ivan. Toto I hate JJ dude psycho. He is my wife I think he's attractive because I like bad men black magic 99 says love to hate Mia interesting reasons. Good call Matt. I agree archers a lie. Oh, hi archers Ali. Hi Steven. Hi. Are you a lie? Everyone is out. Everyone's just kind of like it. Oh the monitor Blake Michael Blake says the monitor but the monitors trying to save the universe. Yeah, but he's also like destroying people. People's lives. It's Up For Debate. I know okay, I've got info but I know Matt here. Whose arm. I'm like, what are you crying? I know but you sit by Ali coming down here on the podcast. We just got explicit. Where was I going? So if you guys don't know the comic book history, he's here to give you the four one one and I'm going to give you an abbreviated watered-down version. So if you really want to know this Google It you have a computer a phone do your life but basically just so the monitor just see he's basically he's like 2 billion years old Donna the universe and basically his he's someone who I don't want to give everything away. So it could be a little spoiler. I'm just going to say for now what we know about the monitor. He's kind of this almost like God. He's like almost this kind of omnipotent being that controls the order of the helps control the order of the universe and The creation the things that we LED that we don't know yet that led to all the multiverses is what's causing disorder in the universe one of the things and he's trying to put that back into order. That's all I want to say. It just it's kind of confusing if you're coming from last season. You're like who's the hot guy with the weird head? Like, I'm helping easier. If you do want to catch up on what's going on with the monitor. You should go back to last season and just watch. The crisis on infinite Earths part 1 that they did over the course of the week because they explain what's going on and you see the beginning where there is just like a slew of dead and knocked out superheroes. Yes, and you can see the destruction of Justice Across the Universe and obviously there's multiples from different worlds that have come together to fight this Scourge. So that's like the abbreviated version but you should watch it. They did a phenomenal job. And it's worth it and it'll catch you up to what this episode is about because I have a feeling that all season we're going to be tying in with the whole thing. Yeah in infinite Earths to bring us to the end of Arrow to tie up all the Loose Ends because that's the only way I can see it going down. Yeah when they said that too so it's just going to be crisis. That's ya ready to what you guys may or may not have read, but I'm sure. Y'all notice as the episode went on there was a lot of repeats and reliving of things in season one. So Stephen Amell had said when they proposed him because he had already called the producers and said, you know, I think it's about that time and the contract was up peaches. Yeah, and so the way he got talked into doing a season eight was they decided Eight Episodes and each episode is a tribute to each season. So that's why this one episode you see all these things happening that we're from season. One mommy Malcolm Merlyn the and their reference is although the ice coming back this season. So I was surprised she wasn't in this epic. Yeah, but season 2 is going to be episode 2. So I'm sure you guys watch The Flash forwards and we'll talk or not flash-forward scuse me the preview for next episode. We will talk in predictions. But just to give you a map of where we're going this entire season. So I think there's gonna be a lot of people coming back to this show to reprise her role which I'm pretty sure Emily bets record is going to come back as fellow City for at least one or two episodes. What definitely yeah, we're definitely going to That I think she's just like doing a full season. She's not that busy. It's not like she's on like a bunch of Netflix shows right now. She's relaxing girl. You ain't got no Game of Thrones gig come true. She also, you know wants to live her life and you don't know I'm not dissing. I'm not Tom. Yeah, that's what I was saying to I was like, you're not, you know, you ain't John snow come through. Well, let's talk about is we had him about people are coming back first. My favorite was Moira Moira. I love that actor. Yeah. I really do to really look. So much like the yeah, they really look so much. Like I've said that like three times on this show. They even have a mole in their lip. I know it's weird. I didn't notice that the I never known a very specific manner they do I love this actress and I love all over with his mom. It's like, you know, why because no son loves anybody like their mama. Well and also too I think he's a new appreciation for his mother because he knows that she in his world is dead. So it's his opportunity to see her one last time. She's dead again in the new world when that happened. I was like come on. Come on. He really liked it. He have to see that did we need to have that moment because he's already mourned his mom's and Tiny times we did because they're trying to show this like a jerk in this one. So I didn't really feel bad for him. You know, I was like come on, but that was the whole point of this episode was to do everything kind of all over again right now and like it was but as I can live in a bubble his loss of his mom and Tommy is like inevitable and every universe and every world and every Incarnation doesn't that suck like when you think about quantum physics and house supposedly, there's like infinite versions of all of us, which is what infinite Earths is to think that like that one thing that really gutted you in life just keeps happening man. No, come on. There's got to be an Earth where him and his mom or like old and just chilling and she's got like 10 grand kids. Maybe they're well and he just runs me like a company because the thought that there's not an apple pie from McDonald's that's not fried like the old ones used to be and then now they're all baked and they don't taste the same makes me angry. So there's a world where Alkali is still fried at McDonald's. So because minor fat child loves it. All right, so I'm curious. No, I mean you told me what's going on in the chat, but I'm curious to know who is your favorite actor that came back because we had a meat we had the Tommy we had Malcolm come back on which is so weird to see him cower when I was like you see no, he's John Barrowman such a good actor so good. Yeah. I was shocked to see I was like Wow because in the all the other You know, she's not like the Malcolm Merlyn and there's no he's just Malcolm, right? Who is your favorite that came back? Yeah, man. I well I thought it was going to be theater because I was so excited that she was but she didn't and that will see her again, but I was probably going to be Moira. I just like I said, I loved her as an actress and I think she's beautiful and you know, we she had to be ripped away from us again. Well that was an Ode to I've said this to them earlier, but this was a great shout out to a lot of comic book fans, I think because they're able to take things of that kind of They they cut the fat we when they originally did Arrow to streamline things and now that it also two arrows so different now when they started to show it was kind of like they wanted to make Arrow, but they really it was DC Comics and comic shows were all about Batman and that was kind of it. And now that they've learned that we really want them to explore comic book world and like even the weird things we want to see that and one of the things in the comic books is that Speedy dies of drug overdose. So I thought that was sad for me to hear that but I was kind of like, oh good. Call you're taking something that I always grew up knowing. Yeah, and you used it in this but also and Marc Guggenheim is talked about this at length that part of the reason that Arrow was so successful and it came about was because of Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight for sure. Oh, yeah for sure. That's why Arrow was so dark and it was shot the way it was and I think it was so well received because people saw that film and whether they realized the correlation between it or not at the time they were open to that experience because they had fallen so far. Love with Christopher Nolan's Batman and that's kind of like where Arrow springboarded from and now it's such a lighter show. Like you wouldn't even recognize that it originated from the Batman. Hmm. So in the chat Ivan Soto says Tommy no question for me Gracia and Ryan says John Barrowman, um, Ivan. So no Merlin was a wimp and then busy Byron Adrian Chase did a hell of a job coming back. I loved it. So yeah, I agree with my Husband I love Tommy feels like would you think do you like anybody coming back? No, well where I was my favorite. Yeah, it was interesting to see because obviously in this version. I don't think that any part of her was bad and there is no Walter there is you know, she took a totally different course in this particular Earth and then for some reason towards the middle n dish for Malcolm Merlyn. I was getting Elon Musk Vibes. I don't know. Why oh and okay. Yeah. I like we're going. Yeah, that's all but yeah more It definitely was yeah my favorite and we talked about sorry. What? No, he's fine too. You've got a lot of spinning just watch the premiere. There's a lot of emotions. I'm a therapist. You can talk to me. Okay. This is a safe space. We didn't ask me who's your favorite comebacker Lina? Yeah. Oh also Moira. Yeah. Yeah. I just can't wait for Thea. Also. I'm really excited for this version of Katie Cassidy's Black Canary because she is along for the A ride and so am I and now her world is gone and it's cool too because last season it was all about her trying to prove herself and then she had a moment where she fell off and decided to get bad again because it was just easier and then Felicity got her back on team good now at some point apparently she came back to her own Earth and now she is in some senses the Oliver Queen for that. Yeah like that. That's a good twist. I like that a lot and I like that she turned over and Do leave and we got to see the moment where the mature version of Oliver admitted it it wasn't like hard for him to say. He honestly said like very nicely to her that I don't know his specific word something paraphrase. But basically you're doing a good job here. Yeah, and she's like, oh, yeah. She's like that's a nice thing to say to me guys. This is the moment of the show. I just want to sit here like the cat got it scream because you're two seasons you guys shot on her so hard and I thought they were going to absolutely um her and it was going to be fantastic for anyone that would like to play back the after shows and all of your vitriol towards her. This is the moment of Redemption where you're like a love her and I told you I still like original Black Canary better. I'll still yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I think I love her I'm going to go ahead and say that I don't love her but you will I don't know. We'll see I will look at how far we've come. I like the actress a lot. I like the actress lot and I like with a story. So I'm not necessarily saying oh my God, I love this Laurel better. I just like that. She took this route. She went back to her own Earth. And now she is gonna do good. Yes, and if her and Oliver end up getting in a relationship and be in love like they should in the comics and I'm here for it that makes sense. If you do that. I mean, I know sorry but felicity's gone it's gone. So, you know, he's out there shooting arrows a man has needs a woman has needs well the Earth is destroyed. Anyway, so by some maybe it'll be in love. No, they're not they're never going to be in love. It's actually be in love this time. They're not going to be I hate it'll be like a complete olicity left girl. She doesn't know Felicity wasn't there gon be together in the end. Okay, we're going to be Mast away. Like we saw in the in the flashpoint for the country. He's going to go on to another Earth and he's going to go and she's going to go through the Dai Li thing. And she remember at his grave and the monitor was like come with me. She goes through the swirly thing and that's when they end up together. Can we get an Olivia chill in the chat? Go again? Cause we've got a lot of money speaking of the chat. Everyone really wants to talk about the Batman mask at the beginning. It's one thing to talk about Batman references on yeah that man is in this world Batwoman reference Wonder Woman in their last episode. Yeah Batman in the previews unless I'm losing my mind. It looked like a very Tim burton-esque looking era Batman in the previews for next week chat. Tell me I'm wrong. All right, but I thought that I saw that flash. And I was like someone's already screen grabbed it already. Yeah. Well I sit without a very president they've tits up on them as well. And the way we saw that Batman mask to was at the beginning on top of I think it was an area and that's one of the Slade Wilson mask was exactly how in the flash Ford and Ford because he's just good at that's Batman. Yeah, I don't think it's Batwoman. I think that definitely that looks like Batman for sure. Well, you got some big guy in the background. Yeah that too there was a thick and weighs. I was going with this comment. It was into the future. So where was I going with this? Oh, yes. JJ is the new Slade Wilson. So I don't know if that was a we can't get many been it back. So let's just be creative about it. Liam Hall who played his son? Okay. Yeah. Well you away it's just weird that GJ ended up as the head of the Not the Slade Wilson gang, but the Deathstroke. Yeah, but then also goes back into and I don't know think this was season 1 but at some point we remember when diggle and his brother. Yeah, that's fine. Like I don't care kill him brother, but then I was like who we really are reliving a lot of old are I wrote that in my notes. I was like are we saw I'm having the worst stage IV like with this has already happened yet like word for word. And even he said I don't care kill him or whatever. He said that freaking diggle said that in my season. In one or whatever. I was like wow was that season one? No, I don't think it was like three or later. So I don't know it was weird. It made it into this. Well, the one with his brother was like season 4 5. Yeah, so did we but still word for what that brings me to dig like I do want to talk about diggle. I thought it was really cool that it was the real diggle update. Yeah, that was great. And there was a piece of me. That was like thank God because is Oliver and the rest of us in the world. The only ones experiencing this relive situation. Yeah, so it was really great and I love that they threw Flash reference by having Cisco give him like the warp pad. Yeah, but also I didn't realize that the episode wasn't completely wrapped up. I thought they were in a wrap it up in present times on present earth when they went through the double purple doors and it started to close as like are they about to beam themselves up like a Star Trek Moment Like is that was about to happen, but it didn't but anyways, I love the Cisco reference because then it ties all of the dce you together between all the other shows even in like little ways great attention and detail from which I think We're going to get more of all, I mean, we already know that black lightning is going to be a part of the crossover this year the Titan the Titans, which is totally not even on a CW Show. Yeah, they're going to be in the cross. So we literally like I mean goodness, you know that I love seeing Supergirl get in on the action. I hope she gets a rose by any there's so many people that are coming in. So it's going to be very exciting. I know this because I have information. Is it news or is it just information? Oh did I deflate you you tell your news? Okay. So you could just because you mentioned that they're bringing all these people in and I don't know if this is part of the plan but right so AT&T bought out Warner Brothers and one of the things they did when they bought out Warner Brothers was like you guys are hot mess like that's why Marvel is doing so well because they're so good at branding themselves and Crossing all platforms and making sense and keeping either the same actors is the same story like this, but then when it comes to DC they have these great characters. Yeah, but at Warner Brothers on the lot, you've got the animation Department over here and you got this part. In here and they're so far apart that they don't communicate. Where's with Marvel Studios. They're all in the same building. So they communicate with each other often. So soon as AT&T bought out Warner Brothers, they spent something stupid like forty three billion dollars something something crazy to bring them to a new lat. We're now all the DC people are going to be the same unit so that this does not keep happening between like but I've got to say DC's been killing it on TV where Marvel has really been struggling to get a Real foothold like as much as people like Agents of Shield and Agent Carter. It didn't perform as well as Arrow Flash Supergirl Black Lightning like the shows just keep popping up in there. Great and star girl is coming. That's also like getting popped up there. So I don't know like but I think that's happening because no offense All actors are amazing talented. I think that the casting has just been better with these DC shows and the characters have really been a lot better. That acting is a been a bit stronger. So watch the Marvel and so I can't comment Titans is good. I'm not going to get am not going to take us too far away. I saw Titans. It was good, but there's been a few like Agents of Shield and stuff like that. I'm like, yeah Ivan soda says Marvel movies ignored the shows and then Haywood says think of Crisis as their Avengers and game. So yeah, that's great. Great. Well, anyway, the point is it's really exciting to that was totally my phone, but it's really exciting to see to know that they're trying to come together and really make DC a lot stronger. So yeah, that's me. I mean, it'd be really great if they could cross it over where like the voice of Wonder Woman on the animated. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to get anybody not to have their job. But if Gal Gadot could do the animated version and the live-action why not? Right? Yeah, just synchronize it and like it makes sense that the TV shows would be different actors because it's DC EU is the extended universe and they're coming from different Earths different time lines and also film actors just don't have time to make TV like that and R doing like 25 episodes is too much still so live like when they had they didn't have the guy who whatever else thank you. Sorry. I love I love Ezra Miller was a big deal when he played The Flash because of the fact that like you've got this other guy who's been doing it and really invest in that's like if I move a clandestine does that was Archer. Green Arrow and it was another actor. I really yeah, I think Charlie Hunnam on would be an incredible Green Arrow and he would slay it. Yeah, but I still think that you could cross your fan base over from television and bring them to the film Universe because Stephen Amell as an actor has such a huge falling because he's so amazing on social media and he's one of those actors that he has created this big Community for himself. So that's a built-in audience not to say that Charlie Hunnam doesn't have one but it connected to this character that he could bring to the movie. No. It doesn't really translate the same because here's the thing is it's like two different universes. And if you want a crossover Marvel was smart where they have Samuel L Jackson doing a guest star on Agents of Shield. Great. You have Cobie Smulders who is on Agents of Shield. I think she's like a recurring on it or whatever and she's in the big films. So if you want to do that the smart way to utilize it is to have characters like Felicity like Cisco like, you know, like the auxiliary characters that aren't the superhero To come in and tie the world's together, but also saying they are not from this Earth. Whereas on Marvel they are from the same Earth because they haven't extended it that way now they have with the new Spider-Man but to bring it in for like DC. It's just it's not possible to run a TV production schedule and do like a franchise schedule for the same characters. It's insane. You can't you just can't there's also this divide. It's getting better, but there still is divide of Asian and film my always will be people won't do film I want to television that do film because they don't want to be seen as people are doing I mean it's changing better, but it's still a lot of times if older actors who had a film career when they were younger and now they're the Glenn closes were they do a film but they also do TV. I do think it's getting better simbel. I do think it's getting better. But we did you get back. But yeah, I think I hope it gets better because I agree I would love them for the be. Elected so we will see we will see that was it was a little reminder for ongoing aha. It was a reminder to tell us that if you have enjoyed this random debate. Yeah on our show that I'm just glad it wasn't me. I don't need a chill. But if you are super into Arrow, obviously and the reason why we do this show as you can tell we're passionate comic book fans we do this because we love it. And the only way we're able to do that is for you to press that little like button at the bottom of your screen or Scribe or if you're listening to the podcast put leaving five stars and say whatever say Alan Cumming. You're right Carolina. You're right, Matt. You look handsome Olivia. I love you Olivia, whatever you want to say put that in the comments. We really appreciate that on Apple podcast and thank you so much just for making us the ESPN of TV talk crush them. Like magic says no chill anybody interesting convo. So I think was a good conversation. You know, what? Relevant to what's going on? Yeah, because these people I think are still talking about it a lot. We're just a mirror for what's happening in your lives. So, you're welcome. Yeah. All right. Anyways, OK back to the episode PS if there's something we haven't talked about that you just feel is so important, please by all means leave in the Chad and we was I might skip it over I covered looking we talked about the flash forward to I don't know. Let's have something more interesting. I will say though who said they did not like what's her face. Black Canary shoot Flash Forward. Oh, yeah, can we talk about that? You know you love me I do she's great. I have to say I like the Flash Forward and I used to hate them with you. I'm not fully on board with them because I understand what you're saying. It's a different show, right? And so I think the Has they're doing this crossover of different timelines. It could possibly tie in well to this whole Multiverse thing because they don't think I hate it as much because I did a good job with Felicity and like going to see Oliver at the end of last CR like going say I'm going to go see your father. Yeah, that was a nice tie-in and I'm very excited about the spin-off. But what they've done well that I did like it seemed to take away from the main plot, but at the same time this they these four people that are together. Whether they're a good group, it's good actors, they're gelling together. And I think why I'll realize I like to flash forwards it. It's reminds me of that kind of just younger naive innocent time of when we started with arrows and had team are that we're never going to be able to get back again ever because of what's happened. I mean felicity's gone. So the I enjoyed that I enjoyed that well William even said to Mia, I'm sure Dad had his rough patches. Yeah. I mean like I said paraphrasing but basically Like yeah, we're having a tough time, but I'm sure Dad started something and they didn't they had tough times too. And that's what we loved about them is that they're kind of stumbled along the way and they still were killing it then it's that they were talking about Haywood says the red stuff that kind of destroyed they want to talk about the red matter that destroyed everything at the end was it actually antimatter and that there's going to be there might be an anti-monitor. So I did want to say that because it could be whatever that's fine. But that's what they want to talk about. That is there's the Monitor and then there's the anti-monitor. Yeah, so it's destroying all these universes in the monitors like no you will not. Have a baked apple pie, whatever the marketer wants. It's like a fried apple pie. Yeah fried, you know, I'll take another one now. Yeah, it's very it really is very similar for some of you that aren't familiar going to think like they totally copied adventures in gang. They didn't the sack. I mean the comic was this was written in 1980. They started writing crisis. I believe in 1982 and then actually finally came they started it in 82 and it actually aired in 84 it not air but with Bush actually Infinite Crisis in 85, so it's like a three-year thing that they did so yeah, it was a really long process. So so basically kind of game copied our comic things a little bit a little bit a little bit that's a really good job. So I don't care also. I've been saying not not to be annoying but Titans will unfortunately not be in crisis that rumor was debunked apparently. Oh no. Yeah because I read a whole article on and I was like, oh that's exciting because there was another rumor that Lynda Carter was going to come back as like a golden age Wonder Woman. I'm Beasley went around the house screaming and just destroying things. Okay, because I have a Wonder Woman kitchen. But yeah, she's playing the president of the United States currently on Supergirl now, she's dead. They killed her. Yes, but spoiler alert if you haven't been coddled, but anyway, Lynda Carter is not coming back to the show, but she was on it, which was nice. It was unlikely, but she's not coming back as one Supergirl. Yeah, but she's not coming back as wonder why I want to develop that. So yeah total random thought you know, that's been the theme of this show. This is here for it. You're just getting your guys back. At least. I know I like it several things one amazing fight scenes. I love to see ya actually the hood on Hood because I thought it was gonna be all of her versus Oliver like we've seen in the past. So that was cool. But in the one of the final fight scenes were all four of them. It was Adrian Oliver diggle and Canary and they walked in the building and each of them had a door. They were all six. I'd like to thank you want to go file one by one it. What you can take it or yeah, slam it in at the same time five six. Seven eight go you would totally do that for sure. You're a total dancer. You would totally do that and make an entrance kick on eat guys came and made the entrance so much better. I don't know if I didn't like that. I like it funny. That's all that also was kind of a recall to what happened in the future with me is team when JJ and I'm like show when they showed up to fight JJ and all them because they kind of had a similar. Allure Showdown with the four of them it didn't pan out as well. Yeah, that's true. But the fight was fantastic to watch. Yeah, always good. This is like my favorites. I wish I could see them a little bit better but there's really good. I think my favorite fight though. Honestly was Oliver and Tommy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah at the end when they were in The Glades fighting over the yes by all means go ahead. No, that was my thought. I just I love the Glades fight. But yeah, me too and I'm sorry that was so rude of me know. Don't you don't apologize go for it. Okay, so since we're talking about like Throwbacks one of the things that I noticed and I only remember because John Barrowman made such a big deal about is they re-enacted the scene where originally it was Malcolm Merlyn that had all of her chained up like this. Yes, but Oliver was shirtless in the original version. So I was a little upset that he was sure did first of all it was a wet white shirt that you couldn't answer either. It was it was still dry for my life. Stephen Amell was like I had a burger and it's after lunch. You know, I know he had all summer to work out for this he had pay. Well, we need it accuracy for our comics and also in the end of the season one diggle and Oliver made out. Why did we do that now? Let him let him know. I know I can tell I'm not he looked even makes our vision but no that was awesome the way climbed up the chain dude. I was like there's no he's probably not even wired. Like he probably just did that on his own but the fight scenes between he and Tommy in The Glades very we're on wires. Yeah, I mean they edited the wires out like the way they were throwing and I was like, okay someone has a budget the same budget for 10 episodes that they have 420. So we're going to get like some really cool thing for a back seat. I'm excited. Did you like the overall episode of because it lets you know this last little rough for us. Yeah, I really liked it. I think we'll but also to their involving so many different elements that were familiar with that. We loved originally fell in love with the show. So that's probably a part of I too feel like because they had notice and they know that they're wrapping up. Yeah Beth is able to like actually show run a show that she knows because Part of the problem with the previous season is that they were shooting it as if it was going to keep going and then halfway through the season it was like, oh, no actually it's like we gotta kill him because they were planning on exploring. Yeah, and they had to cut. That because they're like no we need to get back down. We don't have time. So, you know as a as a first-time showrunner, I think she did a fantastic job to find out like oh your shows only going to get one more season and it's only going to be Eight Episodes to boot ten if you count infinite Earth, and now she's been able to go into this season fully planned out for what's on her plate versus who knows what the storyline was going to be until they were like, yeah. Yeah. So I feel like that was part of the problem was like Scrapping together the end of season seven to go into eight because they had obviously planned for longer. Yeah a longer see a longer run a longer season because that's how you have to write. You don't start a season thinking. Oh, we're going to be done next season, you know, nobody does that right? So that was part of the Growing Pains of last season, I think was the big issue why we didn't hit our stride and I feel like it's much stronger this season. Also, I feel like when You get 10 episodes and you get the budget of 20 episodes. You just can do a better job ever. Yeah, you can do a much better job, but there's a reason limited series or like Hail to the way that they are because they're getting full series budgets half the episodes that makes a massive difference. Yeah incredible point. We have format chills in the chat and just just just do an account is when I get giggly Ryan I get chills. You haven't seen the beginning of it. Sometimes there's like Actual so can't wait for is nothing had happened and the giggling goes on for like five minutes. Yeah in the chat. They do want to talk about the Laurel how she didn't have she can use her Canary cry and she carried a gun in this episode very interesting and how interesting how she didn't have her powers in Earth to very interesting. So this well, yeah few things one. We only have a few minutes left. So we kind of have to wrap and go into news and gossip. So I apologize will skim that really quickly though because those are great. Observations to bring up and she is somebody who came from Earth. We just knew in the last season into this one. So maybe she just doesn't she I don't remember it. Was there a reason why she doesn't have a canary cry. It was a necklace for her though, wasn't it? I don't know know that one. That one did have the camera cry. Oh, the necklace was in the original one who died? Okay that was made by Cisco. Then this version of her does have it, but she also only had like one fight scene really so it's possible. That they just didn't use the special effects on it because of budget. She was carrying a gun and then Adam in the chat says Earth to Dinah is actually still human interesting. So I don't know. Yeah get on that will find out. Yeah as we go into the season can look it up. Yeah, but let's get into some AfterBuzz TV news. Wow, so we have pictures and I think Matt and I are gonna go back and forth a little bit with some news and gossip. So whatever pulls up first. Ah, who said they thought Thought that there was going to be some scenes where Stephen sees me Oliver got to go into the Earth in the future was that you karolina but oh, yeah Caroline, you might look at that picture and you'll see that we got some actors in there with our regulars that it's Constantine. Yeah. So yeah just shows and his daughter and Steve just said, yeah. I know I was getting ready for Archers. He really gets drunk. He's out. I'm sober will have right after that. And of course the I want to talk about if I could she's coming back coming back. We don't know what capacity but just to be awesome. I hope in all capacities and all the best and I hope she puts her red suit on again, and we're going to see her and Roy. Yeah, you make out again and it's gonna be great. Oh and also, so this news dropped I tweeted it out in some of you went what in September but according to deadline there is going to be a Birds of Prey spin-off everybody, so I'm here for it. I'm excited and at the you're looking on the picture you can see but if you're listening to the podcast the characters that are going to be revolving are going to be Mia and then Katie Cassidy is Black Canary and then everybody's favorite dying that as Black Canary. Yay. Actually, I think an episode of her I decided because they try to do that Black Canary episode, but they didn't really give us all that we wanted. So we're excited for that. Damn, and then what's this? Everybody's sitting at it? This is Hazel's the scene from code eight. If you guys remember a few years ago same way to us years ago, Robbie amell's Stephen Amell. We're doing a Indiegogo type campaign to try to fund an independent film that they wanted to put together. They got it funded and now they actually partnered up with a production company. So it is going to have a theatrical release. Yeah. So just something to keep in mind in the future you get to see the cousins together families are so pretty. It's a And then this is a fun little Facebook video of him talking about a contest that he's reopening. There's a time he wants we're going to go ahead and hit play in here Stephen talk about it. Am I all right, that's the screenshot to let you know where it is. You actually have to go to face the screenshot. Yeah video. So I'll talk while you do that. So I wanted to talk about since we're doing so many TBT being on a to it is a Tuesday. It is a Tuesday. Okay. So Stephen Amell was talking about when he first got this job and how he went about getting it and originally Robbie Amell his cousin who was on tomorrow. It was a Tomorrow People. He got the audition and was talking to Stephen was like hey, did you get that Arrow audition? He's like Was that and Robbie's like well I went and I auditioned for but the entire time I just kept thinking of you you should audition for it. So he ended up I don't know house even got himself in because it's not like you can be like go go go. Yeah you get in that's not how I mean if you look like some she recalled that you could probably so he said he went in and he said that they were like, hey cool. That was great. Can you leave a room please? And so he left and then he came back in the room because they're like if you see something interesting like the big big top dogs are like if you see somebody in Arresting bring us in Stephen Amell was the very first person I think that day to audition and then they brought in the top dogs watch his audition. And he said by that following Tuesday. He got the phone call. They got the job. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, super cool. Wow Let's watch TV. We have this video. I'm the middle of cross over time. And we wanted to chat with you about Wicked am details will get game. If you're not familiar is a wine that we've been doing with nocking point. It's our Cabernet Sauvignon are one of our Cabernet Sauvignon. So we've been doing for several years now and we have Had a contest because when we first started doing it, we had someone named it. Excuse me. Someone draw the label. The name is risto is cool. And we are now going to do the same thing again. So we had a bunch of people submit drawings and we didn't find one that we wanted in particular but it pushed us in a Direction Where We want to open up the contest again and see if you guys can't do what we're looking for. I think that somebody can personally so if you think back to the pile of their oh, there's that Enoch seen iconic I can't believe I just said that about my own show. My wife is laughing at me. I mean in the iconography of the show doesn't it's not iconic when I I bet I can ography iconography is something that happens within the context of a character God damn it and way there there is a memorable scene during the pilot where I launched. Tennis balls and then I start firing the arrows and they start hitting the tennis balls. And then there's that last frame where you see all the tennis balls on the wall. And you see all the arrows Pierce into them. What we're looking for is a drawing a big bold graphic novel type drawing which basically depicts that scene and if you can do more arrows if you can get up to eight tennis balls and arrows into the drawing even better if you can format the way that it cut it off really quick because it's a long video but if any buddy is a drawer, which I know we have a lot of fans that are you should by all means submit. Your drawings is Stephen Amell. So you have drawings takes me to Comics talk comic books makes me think of archers alley. So I'll Trust You hey guys, welcome to tonight's issue of archers alley. So I've actually got a screenshot from a comic For You featuring Superman and Green Arrow an unlikely pairing and I chose this for you guys tonight. First of all, thank you to our friends at DC who sent down. A bunch of comic books from throughout the years where we can pull this knowledge from so if you're watching on YouTube, if you're on the podcast it is a comic strip. So if you're on YouTube, you can pause it. You can see the combo between Superman and Green Arrow, but basically this is from the comic the Trap and the run of the arrow and there's two different versions of it because on Earth one green arrow dies and on Earth 31 heat is not but he loses his arm causing him to her his hands causing him to be Come a crippled and really hating Superman because he would rather die then be crippled and be unable to be the Green Arrow. But what they're doing here is they were fighting the supervillain hyrax and he is strapped to a bio bomb and Superman has to make some tough decisions. So if you are a comic book fan, you can go out and get the Trap and the run of the arrow. Hopefully you can find it eBay is a great source of comic books. And yeah, I just felt like it really tied into this season. With the multiple Earths and his death that's been looming over us and what's going to happen and hey, he makes it out alive on one earth - to hand and he doesn't quite make it on another. So who knows what the season will hold but I hope that archers Ali ties it in with the comics for you. Yeah, we ran out of time. So stay tuned because next episode Olivia has a really great story that she's going to share with us an interview that she got to do herself with which were all jelly we ran out of time because there's some it's up to talk about this weasel. Let's get like one line predictions and then call it your AfterBuzz TV predictions. I think we're going to meet the anti-monitor sooner rather than later. Okay, I think Oliver is going to meet his daughter sooner rather than later. Okay copycat, but you see ya no. No, I love that but you're right. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. I think that I think we're actually going to see Thea next week. I think that we're going to meet Damian darhk-- again because I'd really love to see him again. Good one. Yes, and last observation Curtis was still with in one of the pictures keep white guy. Yeah on the earth that they blew up and no longer. Okay? Okay good. They're dead. It's all gone. They're all dead. Terrible Point. Let's just say I just want an apple pie. Goodbye, thank you for your time at yours. Truly a Lakota with little underscores the between on Instagram. Find me. I'm more active there than anywhere else and you can find me at Mardi Matt Maher to teach to our Instagram Twitter. I'm Olivia D Bartoli everywhere. Hi guys, I'm Lena Bean 1 1 3 on Instagram and I apologize for shouting at you throughout the whole night. So we're excited. All right and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first we're the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. 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I thought they were in a wrap it up in present times on present earth when they went through the double purple doors and it started to close as like are they about to beam themselves up like a Star Trek moment like his that was about to happen, but it didn't but anyways, I love the Cisco reference because then it ties all of the dce you together between all the other shows even in like little ways great attention to detail from the which I think we're going to get more of all I mean, I know that black lightning is going to be a part of the crossover this year the Titan the Titans, which is totally not even on a CW Show. Yeah, they're going to be in the cross. So we're literally like I mean goodness, you know that I love seeing Supergirl get in on the action. I hope she gets a rose by any there's so many people that are coming in so it's going to be very exciting because I have information. Is it news or is it just information? Oh did I deflate you you tell your news? Okay, so you could just because I mentioned that they're bringing all these people in and I don't know if this is part of the plan but right so AT&T bought out Warner Brothers and one of the things they did when they bought at Warner Brothers was like you guys are hot mess like that's why Marvel is doing so well because they're so good at branding themselves and Crossing all platforms and making sense and keeping either the same actors is the same story like that. But then when it comes to DC they had these great characters. Yeah, but at Warner Brothers on the lot, you've got the animation Department over here and you got this part here and they're so far apart that they Communicate where's with Marvel Studios? They're all in the same building. So they communicate with each other often. So soon as AT&T bought out Warner Brothers, they spent something stupid like forty three billion dollars something something crazy to bring them to a new lat. We're now all the DC people are gonna be in the same unit so that this does not keep happening between like but if that's a DC has been killing it on TV where Marvel has really been struggling to get a real foothold like as As much as people like Agents of Shield and Agent Carter, it didn't perform as well as Arrow Flash Supergirl Black Lightning like the shows just keep popping up in there. Great and star girl is coming. That's also like getting popped up there. So I don't know like but I think that's happening because no offense All actors are amazing talented. I think that the casting has just been better with these zc shows and the characters have really been a lot better. That acting is a been a bit stronger. So watch the Marvel and so I can't comment. Titans is good. I'm not going to get I'm not gonna take us too far away. I saw Titans it was good, but there's been a few like Agents of Shield stuff like that. Then I'm like Yeah, I've been sort of says Marvel movies ignored the shows and then Haywood says think of Crisis as their Avengers and game. So yeah, that's great. Great. Well, anyway, the point is it's really exciting to that was totally my phone, but it's really exciting to see to know that they're trying to come together and really make DC a lot stronger. So yeah, that's me. I mean, it'd be really great if they could cross it over where like the voice of Wonder Woman on the animated. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to get anybody not to have their job. But if Gal Gadot could do the animated version and the live-action why not? Right? Yeah just synchronize it and like it makes sense that the TV shows would be different actors because it's DC EU is the extended universe and they're coming from different Earths different time lines and also film actors just don't have time to make TV like that and they're doing like 25 episodes is too much still. It's a lot like when they had they didn't have the guy who Thank you. Sorry, I love I love Ezra Miller. It's a big deal when he played The Flash because of the fact that like you've got this other guy who's been doing it and really invest it. And that's like if I move my Camp Nelson does TV movie came out that was Archer or the Green Arrow and it was another actor. I really yeah, I think Charlie Hunnam on would be an incredible Green Arrow and he Slay it. Yeah, but I still think that you could cross your fan base over from television and bring them to the film Universe because Stephen Amell as an actor has such a huge following because he's so amazing on social media and he's one of those actors that he has created this big Community for himself. So that's a built-in audience not to say that Charlie Hunnam doesn't have one but it connected to this character that he could bring to the movie. No, it doesn't really translate the same because here's the thing is it's like two different universes and if you want to cross over Marvel, Smart where they have Samuel L Jackson doing a guest star on Agents of Shield. Great. You have Cobie Smulders who is on Agents of Shield? I think she's like a recurring on it or whatever and she's in the big films. So if you want to do that the smart way to utilize it is to have characters like Felicity like Cisco like, you know, like the auxiliary characters that aren't the superheroes to come in and tie the worlds together, but also saying they are not from this Earth whereas on Marvel they are The same Earth because they haven't extended it that way now they have with the new Spider-Man but to bring it in for like DC. It's just it's not possible to run a TV production schedule and do like a franchise schedule for the same characters. It's insane. You can't you just can't there's also this divide. It's getting better. But there still is divide of television and film my always will be people won't do film. I want to television that do film because they don't want to be seen As people are doing but we just changing better but it's still a lot of times if older actors who had a film career when they were younger and now they're the Glenn closes were they do a film but they also do TV. I do think it's getting better simbel. I do think it's getting better, but we didn't get that. But yeah, but yeah, I think I hope it gets better because I agree I would love them for the be connected. So we will see we will see that was it was a little reminder for ongoing. Aha. Reminder to tell us that if you've enjoyed this random debate, yeah on our show that the chaste wife freak. I'm just glad it wasn't me. I don't need a chill. But if you are super into Arrow, obviously and the reason why we do this show as you can tell we're passionate comic book fans, we do this because we love it. 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Okay, we can talk about the flash forward to I don't know. Let's have something more interesting. I will say though who said they did not like what's-her-face Black Canary shoot flash-forward. Oh, yeah. Can we talk? You talk about that. You know you love me I do she's great. I have to say I like the Flash Forward and I used to hate them with you. I'm not fully on board with them because I understand what you're saying. It's a different show, right? And so I think because they're doing this crossover of different timelines. It could possibly tie in well to this. Multiverse thing because they don't think I hate it as much because they did a good job with Felicity and like going to see Oliver at the end of last see are like going say I'm going to go see your father. Yeah, that was a nice tie-in and I'm very excited about the spin-off. But what they've done well that I did like it seemed to take away from the main plot, but at the same time this they these four people that are together. They're a good group. It's good actors, they're gelling together and I think why I'll realize I like to flash - forwards it. It's reminds me of that kind of just younger naive innocent time of when we started with arrows and had to marry that we're never going to be able to get back again ever because of what's happened. I mean felicity's gone. So the I enjoyed that I enjoyed that well William even said to Mia, I'm sure Dad had his rough patches. Yeah for I mean, like I said paraphrasing but basically like yeah, we're having a tough time, but I'm sure that started some and they didn't they had tough times too. And that's what I loved about them is that they're kind of stumbled along the way and they still were killing it. Then the chat. They were talking about Haywood says the red stuff that kind of destroy. They want to talk about the red matter that destroyed everything at the end was they actually antimatter and that there's going to be there might be an anti-monitor. So I did want to say that because it could be whatever that's fine. But that's what they want to talk about. That is there's the Monitor and then there's the anti-monitor. Yeah, so it's destroying all these universes in the monitors like no you will not. I want to have a baked apple pie whatever the marketer wants. So yeah fried apple pie. Yeah fried, you know, I'll take another one now. Yeah, it's very it really is very similar for some of you that aren't familiar going to think like they totally copied adventures in game. They didn't the sack. I mean the comic was this was written in 1980. They started writing crisis. I believe in 1982 and then actually finally came they started it in 82 and it actually aired in 84 it not air bubbles. Publish actually Infinite Crisis in 85. So it's like a three-year thing that they did. So yeah, it was a really long process. So so basically have a game copied our comic because it's a little bit a little bit a little bit. They did a really good job, so I don't care also. I've been saying not not to be annoying but Titans will unfortunately not be in crisis that rumor was debunked apparently. Yeah, cuz I read a whole article on and I was like, oh this is exciting because there was another rumor that Lynda Carter was going to come back as like a golden age. Wonder Woman and I immediately went around my house screaming and just destroying things. Okay, because I have Wonder Woman kitchen. But yeah, she's playing the president of the United States currently on Supergirl now, she's dead. They killed her. Yes, but spoiler alert if you have him coming back to the show, but she was on it, which was nice it was Girl, yeah, but she's not coming back as a wonder why I wanted to Bunk that so yeah total random thought you know the name of this show. Your guys back at least I know I like it several things one amazing fight scenes. I love to see ya actually the hood on Hood because I thought it was gonna be Oliver versus Oliver like we've seen in the past. So that was cool. But in the one of the final fight scenes were all four of them. It was Adrian Oliver diggle and Canary and they walked in the building and each of them had a door. They were all six. I'd like to thank you want to go file one by one it was like well you can take Or yeah swimming at the same time five six seven eight go you would totally do that for sure. You're a total dancer. You would totally do that and make an entrance kick on eat guys came and made the entrance so much better. I don't know if you try it on I like it funny. That's all that also was kind of a recall to what happened in the future with me is team when JJ and I'm like show when they showed up to fight JJ and all them because they kind of had a similar Showdown. With the four of them it didn't pan out as well. Yeah, that's true. But the fight was fantastic to watch. Yeah, always good. This is like my favorites. I wish I could see them a little bit better but there's really good. I think my favorite fight though. Honestly was Oliver and Tommy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah at the end when they were in The Glades fighting over the yes by all means go ahead. No, that was my thought. I just I love the Glades fight. Yeah me to go forth. I'm sorry. That was so rude of me. No, don't you don't apologize. Go for it. Okay. So since we're talking about like Throwbacks one of the things that I noticed and I only remember because John Barrowman made such a big deal about is they re-enacted the scene where originally it was Malcolm Merlyn that had all of her chained up like this. Yes, but Oliver was shirtless in the original version. So I was a little upset that he was sure did first of all it was a wet white shirt that you couldn't answer it was it was still dry for my life Stephen Amell was like I had a burger ER and it's after lunch. No, I know he had all summer to work out for this. He yeah. Okay. Well, we need to accuracy for our comics and also in the end of the season 1 diggle and Oliver made out. Why did we do that now? Let him let him know how he looks. How do I know I can tell I'm not he looked even makes our vision but no that was awesome the way climbed up the chain dude. I was like there's no he's probably not even wired. Like he probably just did that on his own but the fight scenes between he and Tommy in The Glades very we're on wires. Yeah, I mean they edited the wires out the like the way they were throwing and I was like, okay someone has a budget the same budget for ten episodes that they have 420. So we're going to get like some really good thing right backsies. Yeah. I'm excited. Did y'all like the overall episode of because it lets you know this last little rough for us. Yeah, I really liked it. I think but also to their involving so many different elements that were familiar with that we loved originally fell in love with the show. So that's probably a part of I too feel like because they had notice and they know that they're wrapping up. Yeah Beth is able to like actually show run a show that she knows because part of the problem With the previous season is that they were shooting it as if it was going to keep going and then halfway through the season it was like, oh, no actually it's like we gotta kill him me guys. Yeah, and they had to cut that because they are like No, we need to get back down. We don't have time. So, you know as a as a first-time showrunner, I think she did a fantastic job to find out like oh your shows only going to get one more season and it's only going to be Eight Episodes to boot ten. If you count infinite Earth, and now she's been able to go into this season fully planned out for what's on her plate versus who knows what the storyline was going to be until they were like, yeah. Yeah. So I feel like that was part of the problem was like scrapping Either the end of season seven to go into eight because they had obviously planned for longer. Yeah a longer see a longer run a longer season because that's how you have to write. You don't start a season thinking. Oh, we're going to be done next season, you know, nobody does that so that was part of the Growing Pains of last season, I think was the big issue why we didn't hit our stride and I feel like it's much stronger this season. Also, I feel like when you get ten episodes, And you get the budget of 20 episodes. You just can do a better job ever. Yeah, you can do a much better job, but there's a reason limited series or like Hail to the way that they are because they're getting full series budgets half the episodes that makes a massive difference. Yeah incredible point. We have format chills in the chat and just just just do an account for when I get giggly Ryan. I get chills. You haven't seen the beginning of it. Sometimes there's like 40 Matt chills. Wait for is nothing had happened and the giggling goes on for like five minutes. Yeah in the Chad. They do want to talk about the Laurel how she didn't have she didn't use her Canary cry and she carried a gun in this episode very interesting and how interesting how she didn't have her powers in Earth to very interesting. So this well, yeah few things one. We only have a few minutes left. So we kind of have to wrap and go into news and gossip. So I apologize will skim that really quickly though because those are great observations. To bring up and she is somebody who came from Earth. We just knew in the last season into this one. So maybe she just doesn't I don't remember it. Was there a reason why she doesn't have a canary cry. It was a necklace for her though, wasn't it? I don't know know that one. That one did have the kinda cry. Oh, the necklace was in the original one who died? Okay that was made by Cisco. Then this version of her does have it, but she also only had like one fight scene really so it's possible that they just Use the special effects on it because budget she was carrying gun. And then Adam in the chat says Earth to Dinah is actually still human interesting. So I don't know. Yeah get on now. We'll find out as we go into the season and look it up. Yeah, but let's get dismissed AfterBuzz TV news. Wow. So we also have pictures and fun and I think Matt and I are gonna go back and forth a little bit with some news and gossip. So whatever pulls up first, ah, who said they thought that there was going To be some scenes where Stephen sees me Oliver got to go into the Earth in the future that you karolina. But oh, yeah Caroline. Yeah, we got some actors in there with our regulars that it's Constantine. Yeah. So yeah just shows and his daughter and Steve just said, yeah. I know I was getting ready for Archers Alice. He's out I'm sober will have right after that. And of course the I want to talk about if I could she's never coming back. We don't know what capacity but just to be awesome. I hope in all capacities and all the best and I hope she puts her red suit on again, and we're going to see her and Roy. Yeah make out again and it's gonna be great. Oh and also, so this news dropped I tweeted it out in some of you went what in September. But according to deadline there is going to be a birds of prey spin-off. Buddy, so I'm here for it. I'm excited and at the you're looking on the picture you can see but if you're listening to a podcast the characters that are going to be revolving are going to be Mia and then Katie Cassidy is Black Canary and then everybody's favorite dying that as Black Canary. Yay. Actually, I think an episode of her I'm excited because they try to do that Black Canary episode, but they didn't really give us all that we wanted. So we're excited for that. Yeah, and then what's this everybody sitting at it? This is hey, this is the scene from code eight. If you guys remember a few years ago, it's like me to us years ago. Robbie amell's Stephen Amell. We're doing a Indiegogo type campaign to try to fund an independent film that they wanted to put together. They got it funded and now they actually partnered up with a production company. So it is going to have a theatrical release. Yeah. So just something to keep in mind in the future you get to see the cousins together. I'm families are so pretty. It's a And then this is a fun little Facebook video of him talking about a contest that he's reopening. There's a time he wants we're going to go ahead and hit play in here. Stephen. Talk about it then bye y'all that's the screenshot to let you know where it is. You actually have to go to this is a screenshot. Yeah video. So I'll talk while you do that. So I wanted to talk about since we're doing so many TBT being on a to it is a Tuesday. It is a Tuesday. Okay. So Stephen Amell was talking about when he First got this job and how he went about getting it and originally Robbie Amell his cousin who was on tomorrow. It was a Tomorrow People. He got the audition and was talking to Steven was like, hey, did you get that Arrow audition? He was like, no was that and Robbie's like well I went and I auditioned for but the entire time I just kept thinking of you you should audition for it. So he ended up I don't know how Steven got himself in because it's not like you can be like go go go. Yeah you get in that's not how I mean if you look like some shoes, so he said he went in and he said that they were like, hey cool. That was great. Can you leave a room please? And so he left and then he came back in the room because they were like if you see something interesting like the big big top dogs are like if you see somebody interesting bring us in Stephen Amell was the very first person I think that day to audition and then they brought in the top got dogs watch his audition and he said by that following Tuesday, he got the phone call. They got the job. Wow. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, super cool. Wow Let's watch TV. I have this video. I'm in the middle of cross over time and We wanted to chat with you about Wicked am details will get AIM if you're not familiar is a wine that we've been doing with nocking point. It's our Cabernet Sauvignon are one of our Cabernet Sauvignon. So we've been doing for several years now and we had a contest because when we first started doing it, we had someone named it. Excuse me. Someone draw the label its name is risto is cool. And we are now going to do the same thing again. So we had a bunch of people submit drawings and we didn't find one that we wanted in. Allure but it pushed us in a Direction Where We want to open up the contest again and see if you guys can't do what we're looking for. I think that somebody can personally so if you think back to the pile of their oh, there's that iconic scene iconic. I can't believe I just said that about my own show. Oh, my wife is laughing at me. I mean in the iconography of the show doesn't it's not iconic when I But I can ography iconography is something that happens within the context of a character God damn it and way there there is a memorable scene during the pilot where I launched all those tennis balls and then I start firing the arrows and they start hitting the tennis balls. And then there's that last frame where you see all the tennis balls on the wall, and you see all the arrows Pierce into them what we're looking for is Is a drawing a big bold graphic novel type drawing which basically depicts that scene and if you can do more arrows if you can get up to eight tennis balls and arrows into the drawing even better if you can format the way that it cut it off really quick because it's a long video, but if anybody is a drawer, which I know we have a lot of fans that are you should by all means submit your drawing. So Stephen Amell see him drawings takes me to Comics talk comic books makes me think of archers alley so I don't trust you. Hey guys, welcome to tonight's issue of archers alley. So I've actually got a screenshot from a comic For You featuring Superman and Green Arrow an unlikely pairing and I chose this for you guys tonight. First of all, thank you to our friends at DC who sent us a bunch of comic books from throughout the years where we can pull this knowledge from so if you're watching on YouTube, if you're on the podcast it is a comic strip. So if you're on YouTube, I can pause it. You can see the combo between Superman and Green Arrow, but basically this is from the comic the Trap and the run of the arrow and there's two different versions of it because on Earth one green arrow dies and on Earth 31 heat is not but he loses his arm causing him to her his hand causing him to become a cripple and really hating Superman because he would rather die then be crippled and be unable to be the Green Arrow, but what they're doing here is they were fighting the supervillain. Acts and he is strapped to a bio bomb and Superman has to make some tough decisions. So if you are a comic book fan, you can go out and get the Trap and the run of the arrow. Hopefully you can find it eBay is a great source of comic books. And yeah, I just felt like it really tied into this season with the multiple Earths and his death that's been looming over us and what's going to happen and hey, he makes it out alive on one earth - to hand and he doesn't quite make it on another so Who knows what the season will hold but I hope that archers Ali ties it in with the comics for you. Yeah Ryan time. So stay tuned because next episode all of you has a really great story that she's going to share with us an interview that she got to do herself. Yeah, which were all jelly we just ran out of time because there's too much stuff to talk about it's Weezy. So let's get like one line predictions and then call it your AfterBuzz TV predictions. I think we're going to me. The anti-monitor sooner rather than later. Okay. I think Oliver is going to meet his daughter sooner rather than later. Okay copycat. Thank you. See ya. No, no. No, I love that but you're right. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. I think that I think we're actually going to see Thea next week. I think that we're going to meet Damian darhk-- again because I'd really love to see him again. Good one. Yes and last observation. Ation Curtis was still with in one of the pictures cute white guy. Yeah on the earth that they blew up and no longer. Okay? Okay good. They're dead. It's all gone. You're all dead. Terrible Point. Let's just say I just want an apple pie. Close all I'm at your surely Ali Kona with little underscores in between on Instagram by me. I'm more active there than anywhere else and you can find me at Mari the Matt Maher to teach to our Instagram Twitter. I'm Olivia D Bartoli everywhere. 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Alikona Bradford, Matt Marr, Carolina Bonetti, and Olivia deBertoli discuss the season 8 premiere of Arrow where while trying to decipher The Monitor's mission, Oliver returns to Starling City where he encounters familiar faces; Mia and William's team clash with a new foe. ABOUT ARROW: Arrow is an American television series developed by writer/producers Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg. It is based on the DC Comics character Green Arrow, a costumed crime-fighter who was created by Mort Weisinger and George Papp. It premiered in North America on The CW on October 10, 2012, with international broadcasting taking place in late 2012. The series follows billionaire playboy Oliver Queen, portrayed by Stephen Amell, who, after five years of being stranded on a hostile island, returns home to fight crime and corruption as a secret vigilante whose weapon of choice is a bow and arrow. Unlike in the comic books, Oliver does not go by the alias "Green Arrow" in the television series. Arrow also features appearances by other DC Comics characters. 