Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to another episode of nightmare on film straight. I'm John. Um, Kim and this week. We are talking homegrown horror with James wants Dead Silence, but more importantly a movie that is very near and dear to my heart Darkness Falls the Tooth Fairy. It should be called the Tooth Fairy of Darkness Falls, that'd be great. That's to Fantasy. I think Darkness Falls is kind of creepy. It's kind of eerie setting up. Whatever that movie and you're not setting up for a tooth fairy movie. I'll tell you that much. Don't knock the Tooth Fairy. I think the Tooth Fairy is a pretty scary promise. We'll get it do it. We will get into Kim before we get into it. What's keeping you creepy this week that has never sounded more. Like this was a radio program that it has just now if you're just joining us. I'm John. I've got my special guest here Kimberly with me the co-host of the night when you're using your to AM radio DJ voice that you all are right. Get the net you see in the moon. I got nothing. I could be a I could not be a good DJ. I couldn't just riff non-stop a take a train space and filled dead are I couldn't do it. You have buttons though. You be like what Mom? Yeah. Hello everybody. Its 1:15 a.m. On the clock. A lot of fart sounds a lot of fun. Flushing toilets. I've been drinking lots of coffee. Lots of Joe lots of flush. I think you know what I'm saying? Ha ha ha. Oh where the annoying DJ? Yeah. He has I think we're now officially the only podcast without a sound board. Doesn't it feel like that kind of everybody guys Dallas into his the soundboard don't say it like that. You're saying it like you want to get a sound board. Why don't we have a soundboard? We are the soundboard where the living soundboard, but we could pre-record our own farts. Okay. Now that you're saying it like if we took all of those stereotypical things every time we have an argument, we could pre-record like I don't agree John that eventually arrested every time and just interrupt. I don't agree John. Yeah, but don't you see like a year down the road two years down the road. We're like now we're recording from separate rooms, and we just have buttons like we introduced the episode and then you're just like I liked it. I didn't I'm not listening. Like it just becomes just pre-recorded podcast who I wonder What order what jumbled or the soundboard is gonna be in this week? I think it might add some flourish to our episodes. I don't know why I had to go on such a coffee read about it, but it would add some flourish since Larry. I'm looking forward to our new sound board. But yeah, so what's keeping me creepy this week we caught pet cemetery this past weekend as I'm sure you did. If you were looking forward to the Stephen King adaptation with all the animals and the understand boards already here. I didn't mean to press that one. That's Bad, I'll put it away and the top you want to talk about how to set pet cemetery. I don't agree. This is why we don't have a sample on the other hand the first episode with the Sam board. This would be that'd be a great. Oh, man who's gonna talk about the cemetery. You know, it's funny. I was trying to think of like no. No you go ahead are like I was gonna jump in take on where you left off. I don't know that I heard it goddamn worried about it because I was just like, when's a funny time to say meow when's oh, please. Yeah. Yes, like everybody else. We watched Pet Sematary this weekend. We definitely Our own thoughts about it. I'm sure you do as well. I think I might not to put words directly into your mouth all the time directly into your eyes my God, I think Kim thought it was a fun refresh of the original movie and I thought it was a fun refresh of the old movie. That's my best way to describe it. So the same thing I think we think the same thing I think I'm just maybe a little more enthusiastic about it. Yeah. Um, I just was hoping for something a little bit more balls to the wall. Wall original having they're already be a film the 1989 Mary Lambert version that I think audiences are still pretty in love with people still really like that movie in front of reason. It's a good movie and it interprets the Irish. I'm not going to assume the story pretty pretty well. It's not without its faults, but it felt like this movie made the same mistakes. Not that they're necessarily mistakes, but I was expecting some Liberties to be taken and for the movie to take us somewhere on a Lord or New Perspective and while there are some things that are changed definitely in the film. It didn't feel too like to new of a movie to me especially since it looked like it was presenting itself as a new movie. Hmm, right? Yeah. I understand. I really enjoyed the scares. I really enjoyed how they built it. I thought visually the movie looked great. I was kind of upset that those kids that seemed to be the Cornerstone of the marketing campaign played no role in the movie. Yeah, you're talking about the mass. Yeah. Children, yeah, Willard if you haven't seen it yet. That's not really a spoiler. It was there in the opening and that's it. Yeah, if you do want to hear more of our thoughts definitely are spoiler filled thoughts. We did record a patreon exclusive bonus episode that is available right now on patreon at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street, and we also have a written review of the film which is spoiler free on the website at on ofs podcast.com. Yeah, if you're on the fence post, those are two great places to go to find out whether or not you should see it. You should that's would you would you agree? I don't know if you're into Stephen King adaptations and you you can't wait until September for it chapter to download go see it speaking of patreon. I want to give a quick shout out to our most recent supporters Chaz Rachel Jason Jordan with why Christine Bill Brittany Meg's it is Ed with his Ed could be plural Meg's. We don't know. Did you ever oh Meg office pool with all All of them eggs for this patrons a chat out. Very good work. Thank you. Meg's doubling down and also robbed. Thank you guys so much for your support. I'm sure I'm sure you know, you can take that flat piece of paper away from you guys. Make before you start getting all hand Taki. I am so very hand Taki. I'm sure by now. You've all lost your baby teeth in which case you're sick. Maybe not one of them eggs, who knows? It could be the family of Meg's if you haven't lock here. Ours vulture Windows enjoy the hours of additional bonus content available to you as a new patron saint border because you're gonna need it to get through the next I don't know few months until you've lost all your baby's teeth in your free. Is that really how it goes? As long as you don't look at her as long as you don't look at it don't look and she could come for you at any time. In fact rules are she's gonna break all the rules. We're good. We're going to spend your entire lives under under the impression that you're safe because you've lost your baby teeth. But at any point she could just be like hey, oh are you and then you're dead. Did you just do Beetle Beetlejuice? Yeah, I'm gonna use that voice for a lot of stuff you do use it. But thank you guys so much for your support on patreon. We couldn't exist without you guys. We are a listener-supported show. If you want to check out all of the perks and cool stuff. You can get in exchange for supporting us. That's at patreon.com slash Nightmare on Elm Street. I'm ready to talk about these movies. You're ready. I'm so ready. This is going to be a I don't want to say a Show because I don't want to set you up to be like what is happening. This is the first time I've listened to this podcast who are these people but it if this is the first time listening your first time boy, we're excited. Let's just put it that very passionate here. My mom comes to Mystic fans. So we're like college professors. Yeah, listen to my podcast right give a dissertation every week you come back and it is like what is going on in this movie? It's like this it's like that all cock are following is that your impression of me knows my impression of me? Okay, because it's kind of its kind of accurate okay to me or you I guess both of us, but we're going to start with, Darkness Falls. Over 150 years ago in the town of Darkness Falls Matilda Dixon was adored by all the children whenever one of them lost a tooth they would bring it to her in exchange for a gold coin earning her the name the tooth fairy but when two children didn't come home, they blamed Matilda and they hanged her in the light. Now they thought the past was dead and buried but it's about to come back with a vengeance. You don't know what you're dealing with. How was that? I see these things at night. I don't know what's real and what's not. Will come in the light. All right, Darkness Falls from 2003. It's currently sitting at a 5 out of 10 on IMDb nine percent on Rotten Tomatoes 23 percent on Metacritic and a two point two out of five on letterboxed. Okay, so I want to give this movie some credit it came out when I was like barely a teenager. Is that credit or context credit know I remember being terrified. I'd of this when it first came out 2003 you would have been let's not talk about it 14 terrified. Goody. Good good year for this movie. Yeah. Yeah. I just I just lost your last baby tooth. You may be no according to this movie. You can lose your baby to the between the ages of 6 and yeah 14, which is a High School Dance. The fuck is up with that. Okay. We'll get to in a second. Let's continue. This movie as much credit as you want. Yeah, so this movie I think alongside with the ring just really solidified my fear of like creepy girls with like hair and billowy close things in the darkness that whole Be Afraid of the Dark because there's creepy women in it like this movie totally did that and the Tooth Fairy character. I found very scary so much so that I did not revisit this film until this year. I watched it a couple months. Time put the VHS in a sealed bag left it in my freezer and have not looked at because I was afraid of it just because I remember it being scary and I remembered it being good and I watched it at this time where it would have it really affected me and I didn't want to watch it again and then be like really sad and disappointed and then like you are today I have to say so this movie isn't the greatest but the scarer elements hold up. I think I think so. Okay. I think the cold open. Of this movie is wonderful is a different movie than the rest of the movie. Okay, because hey, she's great the Tooth Fairy. She's awesome throughout the rest of this movie how she moves and attacks and gets people she is more Batman than Tooth Fairy. Okay. So the new like you gotta be like you get into the darkness at all of a sudden like she she hops down grabs you and then like Cirque du Soleil Zola way up into the forest or the warehouse just completely takes you Just on a bungee cord. She looks like she's on a bungee cord. Okay, it's shot well, but it's a little inconsistent. We I have I have qualms about the story which all going to do but I think the legend is awesome and it's an original Legend that plays on this premise that could scare any kid. This is something that you've grown. We've all grown up with this theory that this woman would cut woman or tiny fairy or whatever. It was in your house. Wait, wait, wait. Mine was not a woman. When you thought of the tooth fairy give me an approximate size. Seriously the think about it. Close your eyes Tooth Fairy. Okay, so I thought it was like a like had magical powers and it was like the size of a fly and I could magic itself to like a few inches big so the fly to get in the house because everybody's got are gaps and then big enough to like so when it got bigger the coins in its pouch became like real sighs. Yeah, and then would like put it under the pillow and then back to fly. Okay, so like three inches, maybe God. Wait, that's a big fly. They're in your mind. No like at Big mode. Oh geez. Okay, we have to lift up the pillow and get the tooth and then put the full-size coin. So like the purse had to be what like a whole loony which is like an inch people don't know loonies are Kim. I'm sorry seen a loony but for it's like a big brass quarter a big. Yeah. It's also a dumbass name piece of no, I like it. All right makes us seem like Jolly up here. Make us sound crazy because we carry loonies and toonies. It's great. I don't know that I ever thought of the tooth fairy at what was your tooth? Fairy Theory? Yeah. I don't know did you think of as soon as I asked you that question is like oh God now, I need to think of my own. I thought like a mask first by light house fire and Crimson. Yeah. I know in my mind. It was probably just like a guy. Stubble. Hey, it is very it. He's a coin he like pulls it out of his shorts and some other stuff the dryer lint and just like, where's that tooth? Like a dockworker tooth for even he doesn't know like he's a part of the Union. This is I'm just trying to do my job here kid. Are we gonna say the fossil fuels for his Jeep? Drops another tooth car just sputters away goddamn cavities. You're right. The Tooth Fairy is a great idea for a horror movie because think of all of the magical creatures the Sanic the Santa Clauses the tooth fairy's go to sleep. Don't look at them. Like if you hear them come in don't open your eyes right is the idea because one, you know as your parents but in a coin under your pillow because in the gym, Really up, but also just because you just might not get anything. You're not supposed to see them. They might disappear like like whatever that is great for a horror movie like no matter what no matter what you hear do not open your eyes, like boom. We are ready for a horror movie but that entire opening sequence is ruined by it's like background e introduction, like let's tell you all about this character and let's get you prepped. I'm saying treated like a short film. We just saw. Start with that kid like oh Mom. I lost my tooth and she's like laying out the rules like oh, well, you know you need to do get to bed. Don't let any curls climb into your room late at night, but that tooth under your pillow and don't you dare open your fucking eyes like that would have been so awesome because it would have just been a regular normal night kids getting ready for the tooth fairy and as we hear something creep in we're like, ooh, it's the Tooth Fairy minutes right now. Yeah, right. Oh good. Great. I love the intro though. It's so high intro is very good. Like the kids all up there like melty photo footage that intro my mistake and whoever it is that's doing the narrating like he sounds like a nice gent. I just enjoyed it. I get what you're saying. They definitely double dip by doing that full like when the lead character. What's his name Kyle when Kyle is a kids story that isn't that intro bit seemed so long it is. All right. So I wife I'd completely forgotten that these were Our lead characters that we were seeing as kids like how long is it going to take to kill this kid? I just want to see his guts. Well, yeah and it's just like why are they introducing us to his love interest is this so it like nails like really deep in the heart bone, but then they don't end up killing him and he ends up being the like guy which whatever I think that's a cool premise know like we didn't explore that enough, which I'll get into but this movie should have started with a kid dying. Do you not agree? Yeah, no children were harmed in the plot of His film I'm sure we could find an original draft of the script that has a whole ton of kids dying. I mean, hey everybody somebody's kid Kim honey. Your kids died. This movie is Expendable Hospital workers and police officers. Yeah, we're gonna come with you and then it is like, you know, why appear one by one? Yeah. It's like it's like an episode of Star Trek. They're just wearing red shirts. Yeah. So like when the hospital people actually come with them three of them join them to like run through the hospital and it's just like Everybody else is safe. But us because we've seen her let's go and then everybody's dead in two minutes of footage was especially when you're like, come on orderly. Let's go really you're not even gonna name this character don't speak. We have to pay you more. Yeah. Yeah. She's essentially an extra so his mom dies and let's okay, you know, I got nothing great to say outside of the opening this movie. So I just going to stay with this his mum gets like sucked away by the by the Tooth Fairy with her crazy porcelain mask and she's all Billowy and shit and she's like walking on the fucking walls while he's hiding in the bathroom that looked whoa. Yeah, and when she bust the door off and she can't get close to him because she's got my version too light. Oh, right because there's like that's the whole that the Only Rule of the movie. My name is dag and she is above the door frame just like fuck you gravity. Yeah. I'm a ghost and she's kind of just like pawing at the top of the door jamb just because she wants to get in so bad. So cool and great. I love her as a villain like when you get to see her especially in that opening scene because her clothes are at this like weird ethereal Mist to them, but it's so spooky. It's like fucking black seaweed. But the whole time opening credits, then there's a lot of like creature design and effects by the Stan Winston Studio. You're like show me that fucking Tooth Fairy face. I want to see it because I know it's not just gonna be a porcelain mask the whole time but to avoid void 18 hours in the makeup chair every day. We got a porcelain mask for 90% of those movie. I could have done with a without any face. I would have liked to see some Shadows Shadow. Yeah. The porcelain mask is a little like Phantom of the Opera for me when we do finally see her face. It's got this it reminds me of Anjelica Huston in the witches. Okay, that's kind of what it reminds or like like Freddy Krueger meets The Witches or like Drop Dead Fred. When he gets his head like squished in the refrigerator door, it kind of gets like a pizza face like Freddy Krueger. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Yeah, it's all sort of like melted and Miss shaped and formed into like a weird Oddball head. It doesn't look like that mask would fit over her face. Like it look like that Master be 18 times the size that it is. I did appreciate that when the mask cracked at the end of the movie that there were like little teeth that fell out us talking about that the mask made of teeth bright. I kind of like the mascot. Again, yeah like it she just like glue and teeth together and just like buffing them. Why does she okay. I mean if she constantly needed to collect teeth to make a bigger thicker better mask, that's pretty sweet. That's kind of fun. I want a prequel story where like she has to like she slowly gets more and more of that mask like she starts with like a Phantom of the Opera mask, right and it's only covering half her face like a Batman mask and it's like just that. Yeah, and then yeah, she's gotta kill more and more kids to get these teeth to get a better mask. I'm all right with that. Yeah and Her her MO is a little weird because she's very like one track minded. So she's still after what's his name Kyle Kyle back onto the plot of the movie. Yeah Kyle. It's 15 years later. He's been accused and acquitted of his mother's death. And now he's like coming back to his hometown because of Darkness Falls out of Darkness Falls, the name of the town kind of pioneers showed up and said, you know, what's going to inspire a new life and optimism dark. - false it must be like Canada where they just like do - really shitty job of translating the language because Canada means like could numeral that I don't know. They were just like, oh great name for land. Cool. Yeah. All right. Yeah or alternatively the place is gorgeous and like Iceland they didn't want anybody else to come. I was calling Iceland No One's Gonna show up and we'll call the other one Greenland. So the mistakenly go There yeah freeze their butts up the like oh, this is Greenland. We really don't want to go to Iceland. Right exactly. It's like going to Monkey Island and Skull Island. Look at you go to one. You're not going to the other. So so Kyle Comes Back to Darkness Falls in like he has very little humming and hawing about it like for sake of plot. We are going back because love of my life Caitlin who I haven't seen since that one fateful evening his first and maybe Maybe only kiss. Oh, yeah, right. Yep. I don't imagine this guy. Look I think has a girlfriend and I was like whoa. Whoa, they were not let's not put labels on they were not there yet. No, she did not take her to the dance. He didn't get a chance. I mean, he could have broken out of jail. I'm just saying he knew show some dedication right and her brother which should be son because everybody in this movie is like 40 and that kid is like eight. Yeah, and where are her parents? No mention of them none and so hers her brother. I keep wanting to say son. Her brother is already in the throes of the tooth fairy business now in the future, he's already seen her. He's already lost his last tooth. We are already at the hospital following them and she reaches out to Kyle because the only other person she's ever known who's been scared of the dark and so she's like, can you come talk to him and tell him how you fixed it and then we cut to him and he's like He's living in like hydroponic drug plant. Yeah, he's got photos a hand-drawn pictures everywhere of his tooth fairy like oh, yeah. No, I'm fine. That's great. Only got over and everything. There's like that rock music sequence where he's just like scooping pills into his head. Like are you eating peanuts right now? No, I'm just taking my medication. Like if you have to log the calories for your medication every morning, it's too much man. He has so much medication that at any point. He just like pulls pills. Out of his pocket. There's a hey man wanted rigs like no, it just holds up. I can't container people don't want to see that people. Also, don't carry that around with them like you leave it at your hotel and you go out for the day and they still buy them a drink which was like, but what a dick move right here. I got you a half-pint really I said I couldn't drink. Yeah, this is some bully shows up like I'm gonna drink your beer. He's like cool. Thanks. I would really appreciate that. If you could only I did like that you like that we drinking your beer. Oh you think about that? He's like, I think I'm gonna leave like, yeah. Yeah, that's right. I'm a big man on campus read here, but that's not enough for him because he follows him outside and he's like, hey, I want to keep fighting even though no one's around to see how big and tough and cool. I am and they wind up at the bottom of a hill where the Tooth Fairy comes for him for. No, so I thought this was just a kind of a kid Legend thing and then Kyle's an exception because he's like the one that got away but it turns out that like anybody near Kyle at night. It's fucking dead. Yeah. I don't understand. Yes, sir. Rules of the Tis. So in the rules of this film The Tooth Fairy is around any of these kids that have lost their last tooth and looked at her and then I guess in his case stayed in the light for 30 years and is safe from her but now he's in this circumstance where he keeps getting put in the dark but there are people around him. So she's there trying to get Kyle Kyle is her main focus, but then if anybody sees her in the interim, she's like fuck you. Yeah, it's weird. She just does not want she wants everybody to know that she exists. But if you fucking look at me, I don't know if she wants people to know she exists though because this whole town is like aware of the legend but not enough to be afraid of it to heat its warning to not look at her. So you think their deaths would be crazy high so high that they would believe in her like this is a weird Paradox. Yeah, if they're afraid of her then they wouldn't look at her so then they would all believe in her because they're not looking at her does she only steal their last tooth? Because otherwise the Paris is business as usual. Well until the last tooth like yeah, ok. So you looked at me I get it. But if this next to this is your last tooth gym, and if you look at me like it's over for you. Yeah, things have been good up until now but why are we slipping into the New Jersey dockworker? All right kid. Look, I'm gonna come back. That's not what I was doing. I'm gonna leave your tooth fairy out of this my tooth fairy sounds like he used to box but done anymore. It sounds like the Fucking seder from Hercules like Danny DeVito need a Vito's character. A lot of uses. A lot of uses know what what I mean by business is usually mean like the parents are taking the teeth and slipping money because here's the thing. Let's say as a parent, but then they should still all believe in her because of the last tooth either their kid is dead. It's a coincidence. Also, it's boring at that point like you get in there, like maybe you even just forget to get the goddamn tooth right? You cannot just like that first. Ooh, super excited can't wait. I got that coin picked out four weeks before that first tooth fell out like taking photos of your first kid by the time you get to like your 26th kid. I don't have my teeth. I just had a weird number anymore. What I'm used to keep the teeth. I think all of them, I don't know. I guess I remember there being like a jewelry drawer and then one time I opened it because I like a little cute. Tiny drawers smells like look at this cool jewelry thing and then there were fucking teeth in the Rings. Ah, look at that hair. Well necklace and oh my God, my mom's a serial killer. I think my parents definitely have a drawer of like fucked up. Teeth. Yeah creepy like, oh we've got his first drawing from school his teeth his tail at the weird thing about fucking baby works. It's like first haircutting here it is and you're like, yeah keep that because we've been gentle Foo do eventual food like you're 18 now and I'm fucking using this finally. Yeah, right. Wrap this around this doll stick a needle. I bind you child from doing me harm. I bind you child. There's a movie like we've got like a whole the craft for your children will know I'm thinking like like a group of elderly people that don't want to go to a nursing home. Yeah. This is how they write have all these tools of voodoo that they've been collecting. It's right just like Dad. It's unfortunately you can't take care of yourself like, oh, we'll see who can't take care of themselves anymore Jimmy and then he just like food all of like your And favorite toy. Yeah, I thought hey cool. Is that is that it's just like hey, why are you poking needles? Oh my feet hurt. That's fun. That'd be great. Next Jordan Peele movie. I'm sure so for certain. Yeah parents are weird. But this movie doesn't even tackle Parenthood like that could be a fun theme not a fun theme, but that could be an interesting theme for this movie in like the horrors of creating these fantasies for your And ultimately hurt them. Like I think there could be a really cool metaphor in that but then we don't actually follow any fucking parents. No, not at all. It's a sister some creepy agoraphobic and then like the boy from The Ring. Yeah. Is it the boy from the right thinking if it isn't he definitely audition for that movie right? It's got to be I think it is. What's the name of the also too. We don't even see him seeing like we don't even get that entire instance of him with the tooth fairy. No there is a there's Very few instances where we see the tooth fairy in her job. Here's here's our little as like being in kids bedrooms. We only see that twice in the movie in the beginning in the end. Yeah. Other than that. She's just swooping in taking out people that are around Kyle. Yeah. She becomes like the fucking highway man. Yeah, but because he's got a flashlight and she's just like, oh damn, it's like lightsabers for tooth fairies. Like he's invisible. It is like a lightsaber. Yeah, like she's a moth. There's like an Auntie mom and Auntie Mame. That's right, like the moon get away from it. How does she deal with mood light that is this movie have any? How does she deal with any lights Darkness Falls? Like there's a big mountain and it like blow. It's like Twilight where like, oh, there's no real son cover here. So you can't see how shimmery I am. What isn't that the thing in Twilight? Like that's why the vampires could go during the day because it's like it's just like overcast all the time. I guess. I can't remember you. Okay. Why am I the one who's been like made the Twilight has started. I haven't read the books. I haven't seen all the movies. Sorry, John. All right, I can't save you. There's a lot of natural light at night, especially in this movie that does not get utilized. There should have been like the whole like climax of the movie takes place during a thunderstorm. That could have been so great. Yeah. What if she's like just about to get your hands around your neck and lightning flashes and like she's like nah, I like burned but because of it like it's because it's still a light source, right? It could have been like that scene in the Nightmare on Elm Street remake where she's having like flashes were like Freddy like those micro naps were Freddy's appearing for half seconds. And then he's not there like that could have been so goddamn good that could have been really cool and it makes the laws of like what lights work and what lights don't like really strange like when they have lanterns and stuff. They're really only protected for like a very small area and it's like, okay. So what kilowatts is she able to go into you know what I mean? Like if they have a flashlight you have to shine. Shine the beam directly on her and it's like that's not necessarily have flashlights were flashlights to illuminate. Yes in a beam but like there is light around them. Yeah, like if you hear this white and all perfect. Yeah and like that's going around that like, yeah, if you hit a white wall, like it's illuminated more than if you're hitting like into a black tarp. Yeah, they should at least be getting some sun burns from that that light bounce yes regularly and like in the hospital and stuff. There's a lot of stainless steel. There's a lot of reflective shit and they have flashlights like There should be some repercussions. Okay. We also talked about the fact that the kid they're like, oh, he's super scared of Darkness. So, you know, we need to do sensory deprivation tank. This is true at this point. I'm sure the crazy guy's told her that the tooth fairy's real and she's like, I don't know if we should be doing this. I don't know if we should be doing this but then she signed the fucking waiver. But as soon as he shows up like you need to let him out. She's like yeah what he said. We need to let him out, please God let him out. Let him out, but that sense. Sensory deprivation tank. They're putting him into is definitely just an MRI with no lights turning right leg. That is like put him in the tube and enough fury. Like how is she gonna get in there? I thought she's like an entity that travels through Darkness. She doesn't just look up here. Yeah, right. She doesn't manifest in darkness. She has to go from like where she is from one dark room to another dark room in order to get to that other side. Yeah, and they say that too because at one point when what's his name is with the cop on the other side of town and then she leaves you like she's going to the boy now. So it's like okay, so she's literally flying there. Yeah, exactly, which because you you can only beat her there because you have a car and you're not jumping from Treetop to Treetop. This guy gets arrested several times throughout this movie and then they let him go like they forget he's supposed to be arrested for murder. Yeah. I thought first-degree murder and there's this like small town jail sequence where he's locked in the jail cell. So all the cops around him or being murdered man, but there's like ten people with flashlights in there and that's Scene should have been her the equivalent of trying to get a diamond out of a like a room that's trapped by lasers. Oh, right, you gotta like Mission Impossible slink down in like the jail cell but instead she's likes really successfully picking them off one by one and they're just like really disoriented and it goes on for a really long time and it's like, okay so you guys still don't believe in her. Yeah, and she's killed half of you. Yeah. She's like claw machine each of them out of the room like claw machine. That hasn't been rigged. Oh, man. Yeah, it's good. This movie we haven't even talked about the main character. Kyle's crazy ass one-liners. I wish I wrote some of them down. You know who this actor is. I have no idea who this activity is not familiar to me at all. But his lines are like everything should be paying off in like a Steven Seagal kind of yeah, he he read that script. He was like goddamn every piece of dialogue I have is a fucking trailer moment. I have one I think I thought maybe you could tell me how you got over it. And then his replies just I didn't I didn't ya fuck if they re made this movie. Now. One of the guys from Supernatural would be in his role for sure. Oh, definitely. I think the rest of his lines are stained white. You're crazy man. And then he said crazy isn't what it used to be. Oh God, and that's when they're like running through a stairwell where half the the emergency lights are out and they have to jump through Darkness at which point the tooth fairy's Kicking ass it a person off every time they do this. I loved it. I thought that part was good because the only source of like they have our the the battery backups from the exit light. So we have like the flood lamps that come up that are just casting like beams of light so their only safe once they land right. I didn't think the scenes were shot particularly well, but it was great. I just think it's very very convenient for this movie that every single time they get a light source. Somebody's like, oh these are going to die soon. Yeah, every time every single time like oh, I have two lanterns in the back but they're gonna dust yeah, and we got to kerosene lanterns and I got a whole ton of gasoline. It's gonna last a week up. There's a little there's a leak in the line. Well, we're gonna die. We're gonna die soon the the end of this movie takes place in a lighthouse and it's such a great idea and it doesn't mean fucking anything. Isn't that where she lived though? Like wasn't that you're living the life. I thought she was like a lighthouse which I mean, I'm cool with it. I feel like she should have some sort of Auntie moth properties. They're doing by a broken light house. There's got to be something to oh, I remember what it is. I was like, there's got to be something to her backstory. That's expels out why she can't be in light the fire. You didn't even listen to the poem. And yeah, that's right. She got burned and because of the skin damage and their sensitivity to light. She could only go out at night now, I gotta say something right there. That's because it's sunlights. The flashlights should do nothing. That's true. It should just be fire. So it should just be lanterns and the sun like those are the only light sources that should really bother. Yeah, that's very true. Yeah. Also the whole third Act of this movie that takes place in the lighthouse there is gas everywhere everywhere. There's gas all over the goddamn place like in the electricity and stuff. Yeah, they've got some sort of generator and its got like a big hose that goes from the bottom of the lighthouse to the top to provide gas for the light and there's a leak so he goes down there and he's like Open it up with electrical tape, but the whole meet time it's leaking like a garden hose worth of gas everywhere. Nobody's got problems. Just like dropping lanterns anywhere. They want to show ya like flame lanterns people are covered in gas. And then at one point he's just like, oh, you know what I need to do throw the lantern at them like this sounds so fucking dangerous. Yeah, like so the Tooth Fairy didn't end up getting them, but they did burn to death in the light. So Case Closed Save the Day Darkness Falls PD wins again also the final moments of this movie where we defeat the Tooth Fairy like we finally see her like creepy pizza face. I love how they it has that double double defeat where you think she's dead, but it's like oh no she's back but this movie does it immediately. So yes, like she's dead and it was like, oh good and that she's literally all right back like we see her like sort of explode and then you see like the full explosion and then once she comes back, Like the lighthouse the lighthouse like doesn't bother her at all anymore. She's like, oh no, I've reached my full form and now only gas can can harm me. Oh, you have a lantern. It's like we're in Boss mode and it's just like you're starting to kill the boss in a video game. Yeah, and then when the boss is like a less than a third of their life thing left is like they have a power up and they're like, we're triple the size is like, yeah, but you're panting you're almost dead. Yeah, come on Pastor. I know you're just I was dreaming about user drink an energy drink and now you're back for round. And 12 doesn't work. Yeah, he throws a lantern at her and she is more flammable in this movie. Then Kara send the gas all over everybody. But man, it doesn't make any goddamn sense also. Oh my God, how did we forget about this? Like there's like a pure Nicolas Cage moment in this movie where he lights his own hands on fire. That's how many punches are in the face. I completely forgot about that. I'm just looking at my notes down here. I got like five like rapid fire notes the bottom. I'm just Like oh the mask is Vanity. That's cool. Fire pot - like eight exclamation points. Oh man. I did not like this beauty. So yeah, my biggest my biggest takeaway is that I think the legend that they created was really cool. I love the intro story. I wish they had of decided to tell some kind of a different story. I don't know if following another kid 30 years later with this boy that survived her is necessarily the right story because we don't see her being this God. Gothic horror figure that she should be she should be stalking a small town. Yeah, and we don't see any of the kids in this town affected. We don't see any of the town at all. Yeah, and we don't everybody should know about her. We don't even get that like the appreciation for this Kyle character. We don't even see his light setup. We don't get to spend any time with him in his regular life before he's back in Darkness Falls got a backpack full of flashlight. Yeah. I want to see what like him going to bed and stuff. Like I really needed a montage of like what? That life looked like because he's in Vegas and I think that's a genius idea is a great idea probably sleeps during the day he works at night because there's lights everywhere and it's Casino. It's always running like he could literally go outside for a smoke and it's bright. Yeah, exactly and no matter where he goes. There is no Darkness. I think that that's genius but it doesn't get used. No not at all because then I all of a sudden we're back in Darkness Falls and it's like we're shooting flashlights at the tooth fairy and like that's not really the story. I wanted to see know. I maybe would have changed is always sounds like a dick move. But I mean like sure you're you're tasked with making a rewrite or your rebooting the movie that little kid has not lost his last tooth yet. He was at a sleepover party and a kid lost his tooth put it under the pillow and the Tooth Fairy came and killed that kid because that kid looked and saw the Tooth Fairy. Maybe this kids who you can't see her. So maybe she's in the room. Okay, and that one kid saw her and these other kids Witnessed her. Yeah, you're like Freddy Krueger style, you know like the slashings of Tina. Yeah. I'm down with that. And now he knows like he's scared and he's like Kyle coming exactly his last tooth coming up and like Kyle he's traumatized for it. And he's he's talking a bunch of nonsense as far as the doctors are concerned about this like crazy mythical figure who's gonna come kill him. And so that's why Kyle comes like okay, that's still a little bit of a stretch. Maybe that's that's why the sister could call though because he said this Same things when she was a kid. She remembers that she calls him up. Yeah, and we've got a whole other group of kids that are denying it. Like I didn't see anything. I don't know what he's talking about. But like they're all the same age. They're all losing teeth in one by one. She is stalking each of them across town and now it looks like because Kyle the weirdo showed up who he's killing these killing kids. Yeah. I like it. I could have been good. Yeah, like we could have had some great scares. We could have had some conspiracy theory stuff. But instead we just killed a bunch of adults for no damn reason. Yeah. Like a bunch of Hospital workers and a bunch of police. Like those are the only victims of this movie. Yeah. I will it's not hard to imagine some studio going. Okay, great. Love it. OneNote know kids can die like, okay. What am I even doing here? It's so true. Some writers felt like best idea ever Tooth Fairy kills kids whole movie kids dead. They're like rate. We're buying it. Love it. No kids could die none. Well, we only have one note. And go hey, yeah, we should auction starts tomorrow. That's good. What's your rating on this wacko? So it's okay. Whoa in your memory. What would you have rated this movie before watching it in my memory. I probably would have rated at two and a half out of four. Okay, I will say I did remember liking this movie to I remembered nothing about it. But once we have that opening I was like, oh right the Tooth Fairy. I remember liking this one. Ooh boy. Yeah. I'm gonna give it a one and a half out of four. Okay got that Nostalgia bump. It's a great concept. It's a really cool turn on like this legend that everybody knows about and it's still original enough that it's not an urban legend film that we've seen rehashed a thousand times. Yeah, but they did not nail the story. Yeah, they they did their best and unfortunately, I'm giving it a one out of four. I can't give it any sort of Nostalgia bomb because I don't really have Nostalgia for it and whatever like it's it's a fun movie like if you want to put a movie I yeah, it's kind of like definitely watchable it so it's a hundred percent watchable. If you want to have fun watching a movie with your friends that you don't have to Super Duper pay attention to that. You haven't seen in forever because chances are you've seen Darkness Falls, but you've just forgotten everything about it. It's a great revisit. Yeah. It was not like my memory was a lot more glowing than this film. Yeah, I'm glad we watched them. We've got an updated ranking in our brains and we either do or don't need to watch them ever again. But next up we are going to talk about a lesser gnome James Wan Li when L film we are going to talk about Dead Silence from 2007. There's no ghost story around here about a woman named Mary Shaw the ventriloquist who lost her voice back when I was a boy from little boy went missing. There was only ever one suspect Mary Shaw. She was murdered the men cut out. The tongue has been plagued by death ever since families found without their tongues. She was buried with her doll collection the children. That should call them. Somebody dug him up all 100 of them. I came back. They didn't stay dead. She's here. All right, here we go Dead Silence from 2007. It's currently sitting at a six point two eight out of ten on IMDb 19 percent on Rotten Tomatoes guys, 34% on Metacritic and 2.7 out of five on letterbox. Oh my God, I'm gonna say I've got to assume none of you have watched it since 2007 if it's been 12 years since you've seen this movie watch this move. Wow, so we were late to the game on this because we Pai think we both saw this for the first time together probably after Insidious. Yeah, so probably 2009 around Insidious when was in cities of 2008 right things like 2011. Oh, so probably I don't know for years. Yeah. Okay. So we saw it in the in the past 10 years. We've seen the film. Yeah still long enough that I was so I had a ton of fun watching this again. Oh, yeah fuck guys. Why don't we talk about About this movie this movie. Okay. The James one we have now was born in this movie Yes, like sure we owe you can see saw in it, but then you can also see Insidious. Yeah, you can see both those films like where he came from and where he's going in that movie damn, right like the Avec. This movie is more Conjuring than anything else, but it's a Conjuring 2 James Wan exists in this movie this movie is all about it's fucking scares and it's fucking scares work. Yes, there is And the whole idea and concept is fucking cool and creepy plus its original Source material which you cannot say the same for The Conjuring franchise. That's true or Annabelle. Yeah, or any of the other The Conjuring it Conjuring universe and that's why I'm putting it out here guys. I fucking think dead silence. My second. Favorite James James Wan film. That's a bold statement. You said that last night while we were watching. I was like totes Ed Lee shit was that Liz look like Cuz it is yeah this movie sure Dead Silence then Saul then Saul and then the rest of them, I think for most people this is how to list goes The Conjuring the country to now I'm thinking about it. I'm like, okay James Wan lot of movies cool. There's some good ones in someone's I haven't seen haven't seen death sentence don't necessarily know where it would rank. What does that one? It's like Kevin Bacon movie where he's a vigilante. I'm just like get smashed people's heads. I just feel like that's not our that's not our wheelhouse I sounded. Right now I'd like to see it. But yeah, I mean my list probably like Insidious saw Fast and Furious and then dead sounds I don't actually know where this it's it's hard because it's very fresh and it's it almost feels like we just saw a new James Bond movie. Yeah, I feel very like I'm alive again like ever he's like talking about Aquaman or like have you seen Dead Silence? Holy shit. Yeah, I know. No, you've seen it before but have you seen it again, man? Okay storyline be way more stare of Mary Shaw. Okay. Here's the thing. So there's there's a poem in this movie. You want to get the first two lines of the poem, right? We get the whole poems everybody always say the whole point. Why? Okay, you get it at one point, but nobody ever says more than just the first two lines and it doesn't make any sense with an American accent like beware the stare of Mary Shaw. She had no children only dolls like it doesn't work. But if you say it with an Australian accent, like I'm surely would L. Did you like baby wrote the film? Yeah, of course beware the stare of Mary Shaw. I can't do it. It's not working. Oh, it was really good. You have to do it. This is awful. This is my nightmare. Thank you where the stare of Mary Shaw she had no children only dolls like it. Did this is like right James you here in this is fucking great, right? Oh, man, it doesn't work with in America. Nag said no. So the poem does kind of fall a little flat but fucking Mary is the coolest villain. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna say she's scarier than the woman in black and Insidious I would agree. Yeah, right. Yeah fucked like that of those eyes that slit in her mouth where that occurred. All Gabe is going she is everything. I wanted Helen Mirren to be in Worcester. I wanted her to be the main ghost. I was just hoping look at the end of the movie. Yeah. Yeah, but she wouldn't be an evil ghost. And with this is that's the kind of ghosts. I wanted like this highly stylized like mourning gown high-collared black dress like yeah. Those are the ghosts. I want to see in the Winchester House. Yeah. Well now we got that sounds weird. It also contains. My my new favorite cop detective character ever. Oh my God, Donnie Wahlberg. He makes no sense as a police officer, but it's Wonder his character isn't even referred to as appellee like at least In the credits, it's just like Jim Hawkins. There's something so we're calling him detective Jim. That's perfectly fitting. He literally walks onto frame holding a donut takes a bite of the donut and goes like yeah, I'm a cop here. Let me just loosen my tie a little bit for the rest of the movie and then instead of like tapping a cigarette throughout the rest of it. He's got one of those electric shavers where he's just constantly shaving stubble down. It looks like a lady Remington. He's the greatest detective ever. He's so stereotypical. We begin with this movie. Okay, I don't care if we talk about nothing else other than the first five minutes of this movie because it is the greatest opening that I've seen a horror movie In Forever. It's interesting because this movie definitely is inspired by goosebumps. You can you can feel that that well the the the score itself is basically just Goosebumps. It's The Exorcist theme put through a goose bumps filter like percent and that's gonna change how you look at this movie guys, and I know the dummy is like a classic ventriloquist dummy design but like so much so does it look like Slappy? Yeah. And so I feel like a little hook nose. So you're going into this film thinking that this is going to be an updated Goosebumps e story for adults with this haunted dummy and this opening sequence with this couple fucking delivers like this. That is a you see ya man. I'm I got real serious moves like adjusting I'm with you but that opening sequence is a Goosebumps story like that is what Goosebumps is. It's like these family unit stories where like you see yourself as this relatable character that has experience with this paranormal thing and they're a young couple who were like want to have kids or whatever cut down in her prime and but that's the audience that's watching this movie. So like that is the Goosebumps story of this movie. That's real. Good point. Yeah grew up with goosebumps, and we've ensured into debt Silence. Well, yeah because the the protagonist and the Goosebumps, they're always 12 year old kid. Yeah, and then this one it's like a young couple. Yeah, just like a horror movie I'm saying. Yeah so good. He's delivered a very creepy package in the middle of us. Torrential downpour surprise is a dummy. Yeah surprise. It's a dummy and the at some point instead of burning it immediately because that's a hundred percent what you should do. I would keep the weird dummy, okay. A totally he leaves the house to go interested. I would list it on eBay. Like II II it did something creepy like haunted dummy for sale minimum bid 250 like your you've already got the listing written down. You're just waiting for something creepy to happen. Just waiting for it to Krieger. Its eyes to move and you're like, I'm gonna hit publish. Yeah confirmed so locked in doll. I gotta say though horror movie rules, like if there if there was a book of laws written from horror movies, Leaving your significant other alone with a creepy doll is grounds for second-degree murder. I have to say that right now marriage annulment. Yeah. Oh my God. It's the worst decision. You could make like judge has like spiritual annulment stamp. You've been spiritually annulled. Yeah, because she's talking to the doll and it's fucking creepy. So she throws a sheet over it and then it gets even more creepy. Yeah, it's because there's a sheep thing in the background and then all of the sound just gets sucked out of the room. Is the best fucking thing about this movie because it sets a tone for any scene where something Supernatural is going to happen and it gets you the hairs standing up on the back of your neck before the ghosts even come. It's like a cute card that you hold up to the audience that says go ahead get scared now. Yeah, and that's what's great about that is it's the opposite of Insidious because in cities is scares, they confronted you and surprised you in a way a jump-scare would but then they were actual Terror. But there was no queues for them. Yeah, this film scares you by queuing you by priming you for horror moments and then still scares you which is genius because they have to be really well built because you can't say hey, I'm gonna scare you anymore Gary now and then scare you and actually have it fucking work because oh God does it and it's probably just do to gratefully art, right? Because like we take all of the sound out except for exactly what we want you to hear like the creaking of some Fucking eyes slowly moving inside a doll watching you. Oh man, it's so good. Yeah, and they so nail though that like feeling when like your ears pop, but you can hear the stuff that's happening. Like when the sound is Zapped out of the film. You still here the main character moving around. Yeah, which the yeah, like that's that's how it feels when you're scared like your breath your pulse. Like those are the two things that got mediately make the soundtrack to your own demise. Yeah, like they nailed. All the sound of fight or flight. Yes pain. Oh when Jamie comes home our main character, so he knows something's wrong right away, but it's not it's not so wrong that he should be concerned. It's just that. Oh the kettle's going that's the music's really loud. Yeah musics really loud and he's talking to his wife who we know is dead and she's responding. Oh man in like the real Eerie, like definitely being an evil puppet like oh come in here. I have a surprise for you. Yeah, we're all like fuck. No. But he slips on blood and when he turns the light on because we know there's blood she she was attacked by the dummy. He's got dragged into the room, but when he turns the light on there is so much more blood than we were left with initially. Oh God, so she's hiding under the blanket Hobbs because that's just a great set up right there. That's just what fucking creepy dummies do. Oh, she's got like just their fucking Jaws just been ripped open. It's like when You see that that dead girl and the ring was gonna say that yeah that's care fucking obliterated me when I was 12. Oh man. That is the craziest thing about that movie because I remember being like this movie and so fucking scary Jesus Christ. What the fuck was that? Oh, man because you don't they were doing like a kitchen talk. So you didn't expect them to cut to a scary scene, which is also reminds you of that fucking seen an invidious where the moms fucking talking and then all of a sudden there's that thing behind what's Patrick Wilsons head and it fucking ruined everyone. Now it's just a gif on the internet. Yep, but it fucking ruined us all and we're still ruined it to this day. So nobody believes Jamie that that he didn't kill his wife. They don't have any evidence though. So they gotta let him go and we immediately follow him on his Trek back home where he's gonna get some fucking answer well, and it's also for the funeral of his wife, so they're both from the small town. So where they have this poem in this story of Mary Shaw and her dolls so he knows that one. And she should be buried back home where her family was and to I'm gonna get some fucking answers but our transition through time from that moment of the murders. She came on the road is genius the camera pans from like his POV of his dead wife out through his eyeball. He's just like a dead stare in the cop police station and then we pan out from that moment again into his car where he's just like a fucking robot at this point, right? I'm having a hard time. To describe that transition but it is so great. Yeah, it's such a good filmmaking technique to signify grief and just like going through the motions and in such a James Wan anyway, yeah, and I think it plays well too with the the scare that we have built where we the sound gets sucked down and we are like in the main characters dressed sensory. Yeah. I think this is I think it's all brilliant. I think we're doing an awesome job of conveying in an audio and visual format that we are. With our characters right success. Yeah, this movie is much better than anybody gives a credit for it does not deserve 19% of Run tomatoes. Oh not at all. And I think that's purely for the special effects. When we finally start seeing more of Mary Shaw because of the kind of tongue creature thing. She's got going on. I still like it all. Yeah, I the tongue thing is strange. It's it's a little like, I don't have enemy if I can say I don't know like yeah. It's a little Too much visual for me. Like I love when we see her first in the hotel room and she's behind the billowing curtain and we see the blackened eyes. Like that's how much I want to see if my ghost I think that's fucking terrifying and like when we see her standing up behind puppets and her hands and stuff coming out like that is enough nightmare fuel for me. I can watch that for two and a half fucking hours and be grateful every single time. I see it. The tongue is a little much but it explains the the back story of this character more and why she does what she does. Yeah it also it's it's a way to show how she's able to take people's voices, right? Because she toa's with the people. She hasn't killed by using the voices of their loved ones that she's already taken. Right? And that's so creepy for Taylor to capture people's voices. It's almost like the I block monster in the House on Haunted Hill remake the okay. Yeah the house of ghosts and Just coming back to where you talking about how much she's obscured and we kind of just like get glimpses of her in the darkness fuck. She looks amazing even in the flashbacks where she's alive and the real present woman. I'm a normal woman. You still don't see her very much. She's obscured. She's got a spotlight behind her and we're just getting like the periphery like the we're getting a glimpse of her we get a rough sketch of what she looks like, but we never see her fully or were just seeing like her creepy hands pointing it to kids in the audience and shit because at the kids in the audience, it's are scared of her and in those moments the way that she's backlit and the way she's acting and the way she's cut talking to these kids. We're creeped out that whole story's it's my favorite part of this whole movie it totally Nails this like 1920s Carnival aesthetic that the whole movie is designed around like all of the the text design and like the signage and stuff of this film is 1920s. Yeah. It's a town that was built around this like Riverboat theater. That was their main. Economy was this entertainment complex and it's a huge and opulent and it's decaying now because it doesn't exist and it looks so cool, right you could put this in any movie and make a fucking supervillain Lair out of it. Yeah, I would fucking watch an X-Men movie. If this is where the bad guys went at the end of the day. There are some pacing problems with this movie that right, like don't you feel like it kind of just sections dragged into sections dragging the sections. I don't know what it is. It is because like everything you need to be there is there and there isn't a whole lot of excess but the movie just doesn't doesn't move as fast I guess as you want it to I don't know if that's the issue. I think the following the morgue attendee. I don't know if it was the right decision because we get a lot of information and like eeriness from them that doesn't quite make sense. Like I don't really know what the entire story is with the sister because you expect her to play into the final story, but She doesn't really doesn't the place is called was it like Ravens Hill or something Ram? Ravens Fair Ravens fair and she's holding a raven like yeah during sections of this movie and she seems to be able to talk to marry Sean the dummy. She talks to the dummy. Oh, maybe somebody should nosed. I was killed by Mary Shaw. And now she's talking to them through the dummy occasionally in different skin a different version that script she would have been in cahoots with Mary Shaw, right? Yeah. There's just not enough like she doesn't play into the movie for her to really exist other than setting. Up the crawlspace scare in the more that crawl space gear though, right? Yeah. Oh man. I don't even know what it was because I couldn't watch it like, oh he thinks Henry the the the mortician the guy runs the funeral home. Who is our way into 1920s 30s Mary Shaw backstory his sister. Yeah, I would say sister. Yeah is is he thinks she's in the crawl space and when he goes in its Mary Shaw, right? And that's where we see the tongues for the first time. It's maybe a little much. You know what it really is. It's the fact that we see Mary Shaw behind the dummy with her tongue going through the dummy. I like that. Yeah, it looks good. I think it looks friggin cool. Yeah her tongues weird. It's like a bunch of tongues is a whole bunch of tongue but not put on and like a neat way. There was a big long rope there like a Christmas tree looks like a whip of tongue like a Licorice Whip potatoes. There's it's a cat of nine tails a tongues. I gotta I got this. In three days the fact that Donnie Wahlberg follows the lead character Jamie all the way to Ravens Fair. Yeah, he's kind of doing like some independent digging like they bump into each other is way out of his jurisdiction. But yeah, so one I don't think this is his I don't know if the county what what he detective of yeah, but he's taking to work vacation. Yeah like that his case should he not be collecting like additional suspects like he should E not be checking in with his Precinct instead. He starts digging up the hundred dummies that were buried with Mary Shaw V love that the dummies all have their own Graves. They're cute little tiny coffins to but he did so he doesn't just dig up one and go. Hey, like it's empty. We cut to a flashback of him like he dug up a hundred grave tiny ass little great. I will say though, they look like they've been put under an inch of soil. So he probably could have done it with a toothbrush. She would have been perfectly fine. I just like a spoon that he stole from the hotel just like Book but pop up empty grave. I do want to ask you by the end of this hmm. Huan dug the graves what you think the answer is to that? Oh, we'll get to it. Once we okay get to the end of the movie. All right? Yeah. Sure. Okay, don't let me forget. Okay, cuz I want to know maybe it's clear. I don't know. Okay, I don't have an answer. Really. No, you're not sure. I don't know. Okay, I think we need to get to the end of the movie. So he comes back at the first person. He sees his dad and his dad had a stroke, but he's a changed man. Has nice pleasant wife who's like super sweet, even though she's like the same age as the lead character. I fucking love that was like I guess I'm your stepmom. There's a great joke. There is a hilarious. What did he say? Donnie Wahlberg is there and he's like, he's like, all right, man. Like, why'd you steal the Dummy from me? Like you're stealing evidence. That's the way I guess the law. I gotta take you back to the I gotta take you back to jail and he's like, I'm not fucking going. He's like, come on kids maybe cuff you in front of your mom. So good. Oh, it's funny and she has she's super nice. They have a great little moment where he's walking her through all of their family portraits where it's just him and his dad and he's just like, yep. That was my mom. That's my second. Mom. Don't worry. They all died. So we will just have you painted out of the next one. No, we know what he says. He says it's lucky you're gonna outlive him. So we can't paint you out of the next one because the the previous two are just them standing around an empty ass chair. Yes. He fucking wasn't vindictive ass. See, here's the thing. Was he vindictive. He sounds like he was a vindictive man sounds vindictive. It sounds like a dick move when you know that all of your wives are going to be killed by Mary Shaw because that's what it is. Right. It's like him and and why would you marry and have children you that's what I'm saying? Like that just doesn't make any damn sense and especially if you know that there's this thing going around killing all your friends wives and all your relatives wives and at least one of your wives. Why do you even continue? You why don't you just move like is it that it's like this personal guilt that you have to stay and live with it. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So what we learned is that in that flashback sequence where we see Mary Shaw and Billy the Puppet a kid heckles her and says that he can see her mouth moving and so good when she fucking get so Billy gets really really upset and she's trying to calm him down and then there's a point where they're like getting frustrated at each other and Both talking at the same time and so fucking the audience is like, oh my God. She's so good at this but the kids in the audience is like she's the devil. Yeah or like that doll has its own fucking voice that doll does not know. What do you mean? I'm a dummy. I'm a real boy. What are you talking about? I've gotta bring him up here. Let's hear what he wants to say. Let's hear him. Say it to my face. Whoa, so the boy that was doing the heckling ended up being the uncle of Jamie's Dad. So wasn't it? Jamie's dad's brother it wasn't it? Oh, no the yeah. Right. So Jamie's uncle's yeah, James wouldn't it disappeared like the following week which is why the town basically went after Mary show and they hunger. Yeah. I think they have you know, what's crazy is that she requested when she died that she be turned into a doll. Do you remember and buried with all of her dolls? Yeah. I don't understand why the mortician went through with that honored her with yeah because Henry the little boy who grows up to take over that funeral home. Came in and accidentally like spills her out in the floor and like one of the most haunting visuals this whole fucking movie like when the lightning strikes and we just see her fucking eyes piercing back and it really looks like he has cut her jaw. So that way she's a functional doll. Yeah and like gave her weird doll ass mouth and that's probably the only thing I would cut out of this movie is like the making her a doll part because like buddy you were taking your morgue job way too serious guy really honors last right? Also, shoot ya like this woman was like murdered as like a child killer. That's yeah. So like nobody in the town likes her. Yes. So like why are we honoring her like loose lips? Will that be like if Freddy Krueger was his final wish was like I want my ashes scattered over the preschool. Yeah, exactly and they're like, well, we gotta do it bury me with the children. I love like you're still alive and it's like well we asked us that's not my fault. I've got orders. I'm just following orders like orders of the Dead if I lived in that town. My final request will be to be brought back from the dead because this guy would continue to work on Until he found out that it wasn't possible. He would find a way to do it is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, but people like this though, like they got married and buried in unmarked Graves at the edge of town like they don't get a fucking Hero's welcome. Yeah, or they're just left out into the in the middle of the road for the vultures to pick their bones. That's dark. I don't think anybody that ever got hung from a tree got a burial. That's true what they used to leave them out to like one more time travelers who were traveling through towns, but then for the families would have to take their own. On dead down to bury them. Yeah, it's kind of sad. Oh boy. I'm in a lot with the Salem Hank. How are we going to spoil the end of this movie? How are we going to get there? Now? Maricha definitely kidnapped that little boy because when we go up into her like green room where all of her notes are untouched we find notebooks on how to create the perfect doll. It really looks as though she's trying to put the soul of a person into a doll. And we find his fucking Uncle like taxidermied into a doll but like as a kid as a little boy still so she did it way back then and it's still intact what I love so much about that is most of these movies about these like haunted villain things. They're these tragic figures who were wrongly murdered for this thing. And that's why they've come back to seek revenge. Yeah. She was bad before they murdered her was hella evil, like they murdered her because she Actually did what they thought she did. Yeah, they were not justified, but they were not wrong right in their accusation. Yeah, like she was actually a crazy-ass witch up there. Yeah, why didn't they they obviously didn't go into her green room. Right? Like they caught her in the street while she was at getting her rations. I don't know is that time but because they never found this kid's body, I guess right. Well, the her room was like hidden up in the rafters though. That's true. It's all talk. And then there was that weird like Labyrinth wall where she like we're walking. Through the water you have to recite a trailer line before going into the left. Nothing's what it seems and then like he's caught up again. Look that way. Yeah, what a legend straight to the castle right to that castle poor girl. I do love that. He's like nothing's what it seems and he's like dips off and then like two steps later. Donnie Wahlberg's cut up and he's like Oh, I thought I lost you there for a second. But yeah, they find the boy he's there and he is a prototype of the perfect. Doll who we later find out. She has been perfecting and the perfect all exists spoiler alert. It's his dad. His dad's been adult this whole time. Yeah, but he's being puppeted by the ultimate puppet, which is the wife. Yeah is Mary Shaw, which fucking confuses the shit out of me but is amazing. What's so good. Especially when we have these flashback moments where we see all the interactions that he's had with his dad and how she's Always been by his side. But really she's just like controlling his puppet and doing whatever. I love it. When did we even dressed the scene where he's eating soup? Yeah. She's gonna fold it down his like cavity. She's created. Oh, it's so good. But the weird thing is so Mary Shaw is a ghost and she's appeared throughout this whole movie. Yeah. Is she still in the wife like as she astral projecting and never what's your name? Yeah is the wife even a person like was the wife of if a person that Mary Shaw possessed or is the wife just this strength manifestation of Mary Shaw that she can like, you know, like Ursula the Sea Witch and so like Eric's Dream Woman good pool as a Little Mermaid reference. I think everybody knows Little Mermaid reference. What if it's Mary Shaw's daughter. What if Mary Shaw constantly trying to make the maybe she has a doll. She's a puppet puppet in another puppet. Yeah - that's kind of cool. I think if that were the case, they would have shown that right, but they Do show Mary Shaw's eyes in her at the end? Yeah, I don't know I'd I honestly do not have an answer for you. I'm not certain and maybe that's part of the reason people didn't love this movie when it came so but that's what I think solving whatever the key to this woman is is solves who's the one that dug the dolls out? Well that woman whoever she is a doll or a ghost Specter image is definitely the person that Doug All Those Grapes. Yeah, and then put all the dolls back in the thin and mailed that doll. off to Jamie and his wife Lisa and then we find out that the reason why the wife even got killed was because she was pregnant and she was the last person that Mary Shaw wanted to kill And bringing the Sun or in bringing Jamie back to kill him also thus killing the line of the people that insulted her bag in the 1920. Yeah. Fuck. Is she a ghost or is she a real person? She's definitely a ghost but is she also a real person? Okay. What do you think about it? It's like friggin frustrating because nothing can take away that like fucking sweet ass scene where you discover that the dad? Has been a dull the whole time and that's so great puppeting him. It's great too. Because when you look back at what he's wearing, he's definitely in a doll outfit. He's got a teeny little suit what he looked like corpse. He looks awful but we say it's because he's had a stroke. Yeah, but you were much better terrible. He looks which makes me wonder about the woman even more because she looks wonderful. So she's this dead person that the ghost is in would she not be decaying because it looks like dad's fucking decaying mmm, but then why would Mary Shaw appear as old-school Mary? People other than to just terrify them. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not sure. I have no idea one thing. I did want to talk about that. We didn't really touch on that. I think we need to give credit because James Wan and Lionel never like lesson. They're ghosts. They never make it like a Scooby-Doo story. They still have this huge fun mystery, but there's always it's always actually something paranormal about it. Yeah, and I think if they weren't making films in the early 2000s to now we wouldn't have any modern ghost stories. Like we'd have the the tragic ghost stories that like Guillermo del Toro's doing but these are like the the scary haunted store like haunted house stories. Yeah, it would be it would end up being like these stupid like, oh it was the realtor all along. No, they when they tell you that they're going to do something they fucking do it. That's just how it goes. Like hey, this is a house haunted by demons. It's going to be demons. It's not something pretending to be something. You're like somebody having like a mental illness. Yeah. No, that's the biggest thing. It's never that. They're crazy. Yeah ever and it's so refreshing to to get these horror movies with these scares and they're not lessened later by the plot and we don't take away the horror or the power from these specters by making them out to be something else so that when you actually see these creepy beings like haunting about the movie at the end all of those things get to stay with you and they get to keep scaring you next time because when you watch it a second time, oh, yeah, those things are still ghosts. Yeah, and I don't think there's a ton of people that are still doing that like making a horror movies that are out to scare you with monsters that and ghosts that we've created that are actually baddies. Yeah. Yeah. Because at no point is it that you need to show these ghosts? Oh, don't you remember when you were human? You don't want to be this evil? You're just mad your dad's like no. No, the only Humanity left in me is the fact that I was once alive, and now I'm not and I'm glad for it because I can rip your goddamn tongue out and it's mine now. Yeah, and I there's something interesting to I can't remember where I heard this but somebody was comparing the difference between like American ghost films and Japanese Japanese ghost films. Whereas like Japanese ghost films. Are these vengeful Spirits out for revenge and they will just kill willy-nilly whoever comes near them. Yeah, and it's there's no like importance or value upon life kind of thing. And then in American films, it's all about like the protagonist Journey. Yeah, and it's this ghost is a message. Yeah, and it's something terrible is going to happen. The ghost has been caught up in it and they're trying to prevent this from happening to the next person who happens to be like our protagonist like and I think that's what took American audiences by Rise with the ring because it's set up like it's going to be that but then the ghost is actually look. Oh no, I'm a Japanese ghost and I'm going to kill you. Anyways. Yeah, and I think that's great. That's what stunned audiences because it was like this Perfect Blend of like Japanese Horror in American Horror, so we were scared because we were used to oh the ghost is warning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah or the ghost needs our help to be late. So is it yeah that know so what's your rating of this movie? Oh my God. So right now I'm a four out of four. Yeah, cuz it aesthetically it's fucking cool. The villain is cool. And the filming is great. There's a lot of really great shots and it looks fucking cool like the coloring on this film is great. We didn't even talk about that how it's all in like almost like colorless and then there's a lot of red. I like it's a light source is interesting. I'm also a big fan of like the carnival aesthetic and yeah looks fucking cool and Mary Shaw is so fucking great look, even if she And dead if we just watched her as like a crazy puppet woman killing people in like the prestige like I'd be about that. Yeah, it's insane that they were able to make somebody as creepy alive as they were dead. Yes. Oh man. I think she's more scary in that scene where she's the Puppeteer then like when she's ghost woman. It's probably because it's the only time we really see her talk like she's interacting with people and like, you know, she has the capacity to just tear your soul out, but she's not yet and it also helps Stu when you find out that she was up to no good while she was alive, right? It really justifies why she was so creepy in those moments, but was it the doll because I think that seeing that I'm totally in like Oh Billy is real Billy is real. What is this is not a drill. Billy could have been a demon who's the person who let her know about how to make the perfect puppet. Oh maybe but it was the real they just have your I think we did we answered this. We don't know. We don't I really like this movie a lot. I for all the the exact same reasons you're talking about. I don't think I'm as in love with it as you are because it just like it's got a weird. I keep saying pacing. I don't know if that is right. There's just some pieces that don't quite fit together as well. As I think they should just in like the flow of the story because like all the components are fucking amazing and like yeah, maybe some of the the the digital touches that they did to the color palette of this movie aren't my favorite, but I'm giving this movie a 3.5 out of 4 because the scares alone in this movie are so worth it like so worth it. Yeah, if you haven't read watch this film in a while like please go fucking watch it. I did not expect to give this movie a 3.5 out of four. I was like, you know what I remember being surprised by it, but I bet this second time around to for probably yeah. I am really happy that we re-watched it and that we fucking love it. Yeah, and I'm also really happy. We watched it in this order Darkness Falls first followed up by doing science. Imagine getting like so amped to revisit Darkness Falls and just hating it when I liked what I was a kid is good. Now that's not always true. We have learned that is not always true. 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