It's the end of the world as we know it and I don't think any of us feel fine. Welcome back to the AfterBuzz TV Voltron legendary Defender after show tonight. We are talking about episodes 5 and 6 from season 8 The Grudge and Genesis. We are looking at the space-time Continuum time slippage and whether or not you can truly socialize with people. Yeah. We are going to take a look at that will see you after the opening and team. It's time to form Voltron you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV. Ooh, the ESPN of TB top now. Look nothing like doing a bait and switch for the opening song. Oh, I love it though. It's so good. Good. There's there's something about es posthumous. That's just apocalyptic music and nothing better than Pompeii for that. Yeah. I feel like this. I think this is more fitting for the second episode that it is the first but it is very fitting nonetheless. It definitely isn't considering where we leave the second episode this just put this is my soundtrack. The Voltron music is beautiful. But put this as my soundtrack anyway, it's in use for sure. Yeah, this Muse Rise Against who love to hear your Voltron fan fan tracks. Like I don't know if people still do that, but because I needed a fan soundtracks, please send it our way. Yeah, let's get to that in a minute. In the meantime. Let's start us off. We are the Voltron AfterBuzz TV after show we are Looking at season 8 episode 5 and 6 The Grudge and Genesis and with me I have green line Megan Salinas everyone and I am black lion Katie Cullen and it is just the two of us. We are the only people who made it through the white hole tonight. Yeah. Everybody else is still stuck on Orient. That's kind of a bummer. There are they're doing their best. But um, it's a little awkward. No, we are going to get this ball rolling. And as always we have a little housekeeping to start off. We are only talking about season eight up. 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And so, you know now that the RR paladins made it back to Earth and that Sendak has been taken care of in their back in space and everything like that. The focus has been back on Voltron. So it's really nice to take some time to look at these guys again, and actually it's so nice. It's so nice getting development from all these guys and this addition to our ensemble. as we have Akshay who was a golfer General and then a free agent and is now working with the crew of The Atlas and kind of sticks out like a sore thumb just she tries, but she does not socialize well, and that's kind of our thread for this episode in between the this is our be story thread is I have it in my notes as auction doesn't socialize because if I can make a terrible Green Lantern reference, I will so we have I could doing her absolute best to try to Loop auction into these conversations. Hey, did you ever have a pet? Hey come join us for lunch. Hey this and every single time. No one really knows how to handle it. Like well, we didn't keep pets but one of my companions was bonded with an immortal cat that allowed her to experience the world and then when she was murdered we had to ditch the cat so we couldn't there's no way to follow up this story. What was it again? Cute cat I mean yes discover have his own Instagram. Like would Nardi have been the type of person to give kova and Instagram. I feel like Cova would more have a twitch stream. Hmm, I go on people, you know, people do live streaming for twitch all the time and people do slice-of-life streams and what not. It's not all video games and given that she's basically a Nardi was able to see through kova I can see that becoming just like hey guys, we're Going on a mission. So we're gonna strap the GoPro to the head of the cat. Let's check this out. Please do not ever put a GoPro on the head of your cat. Don't do that. Don't do that. I don't care if your cat is Immortal or not. That's not something you do. It is sad because it's interesting that we Kovac gets brought up, you know, they're having this really cute discussion about pets and Iverson has this really touching story about this dog he grew up with and then shoulder injury that he got us a result of it. Yeah, and then and then yeah, we bring up Cove again who nobody here knows the you know, nobody in the scene knows Cove has Faith but we as the audience know Cove has gone. Yep, which we like to think that Cova noped out of that situation. But which it it makes I am legitimately wondering because I know I was very confused about how kova kova exited this series. So I was a little bit confused as to why but it's interesting foreshadowing when you look at what huh nerva ends up doing in episode 6, you know, that's true. She killed God, you're right. She kills Cova & episode 2 and then she ends up killing the guardian in The Following episode. So including kovin this conversation, not only are we highlighting Akshay has sort of social ineptitude, but it's also kind of a reminder to the audience. Hey remember what happened to that cat? You're about to see More of it owner of has really Gone Girl shattering honor of has no longer allowed to adopt cats. No, she doesn't she can't handle the lion. She can't handle the guardian. She can't handle her own vaguely Immortal house cat like no. No, she doesn't get to be a pet owner anymore. She's done. I think that's a fair assessment. Yeah, but it's her. Oh, go ahead. I just I want to talk about this lunch scene while we're talking about the awkwardness of this all because people in chatter joking about oh, it's auctions first day of school. Cool. She's an exchange student from the Gara Empire. Yeah, this lunch seen reminded me a lot of high school and like I feel like everyone has felt this at least once in your life. Like I'm so wrong table. Oh absolutely. Like I said some points in school. I was strictly disinvited like that whole you can't sit with us thing that happened to me more than once. Oh my goodness. Really? Oh, yeah. No. I just I wasn't always the amazing person that I am today. So it was more that the Their kids did not want to sit with these self-professed nerd and you know what they can do them. I'm doing just fine. But yeah, so Akshay getting invited over to sit with this very close-knit group. And then just God bless leaves daughter. I love her. She's wonderful. Please do not make the please do not make the person where Charisma is there dump stat do the small talk. That's that's the bad thing is this was already an awkward situation. Ation and leafs daughters solution to the awkward situation is to point out how awkward it is because surely that won't make it more awkward and a sign a cause like it's probably we're probably super awkward because your Gaara and just because of how you were born. You know that thing you have absolutely no control over and she didn't ask for the reactions from everyone else. Does Kincaid straight up dropping. His food I feel like this is the best thing that James Griffin has ever done face down in his plate of food as a reaction to what's happening. Just I would like to hide there was nowhere to hide. Let's ostrich this he's he's face-planting and just that that little shot of Kincaid just sinking in his chair was oh goodness. There goes moan that shot of Kincaid sinking in his chair was just it was perfect. I'll just the reactions for this because I got this is one of those scenes. Where everyone can relate everyone has done at least one part of this been the person left out sad at the wrong table heard. Someone say something gloriously boneheaded and just not wanted to be in the room anymore out of sheer. Secondhand embarrassment. This is one of the voltron's really good at this. It's really great. It's action scenes. It's really great. It's character development. But so many War Stories Overlook the little things that make people people can't say make people Because not everyone is in the show, but the things that make people people the ridiculously awkward conversations the attempting to reach out to someone you may not have things in common with like these grounding moments Voltron excels at Wells what I love is that Akshay isn't trying to be ingratiated in the group, but she's also not overtly trying to push them away. You know, she is just kind of being herself in a weird way. You know in a closed-off manner mind you but she's not the one, you know pushing people away. It's just like hey, you know, I've never fit in why should I try and it's Veronica who's constantly like hey come sit with us. Hey, did you have any pets like constantly kind of being like come on. Come on. Come join the group come join the group. I think it would be great and oxygen just like not reciprocating and I really appreciate that because in other shows I feel like characters would be Vertically trying to push people away because it's like no, I don't need any friends. It's not like that. It's a it's a lot more low-key than that. It's just like I've never fit in why should I try? Yeah auctions not great at people outside of combat or chain of command situations. Like she was great with lotor. She was great with the other generals like she gets people but it's the social niceties that are just like oh, oh, no not I mean sure let's let's give this the old boot camp try. Because I don't think all Recology exists, but the the only people she's really been connected with our you know, our in this case now her enemies and or dead or dead or in another dimension or you know, Keith who's not hanging out with a lot of you know, he's not hanging out on the atlas on a regular basis. Yeah, because of this point Voltron is still split off and we kind of end this thread with the shooting gallery and ox. A reading Veronica being near her as mistrust like oh she's monitoring me because she doesn't trust me and Veronica making it very clear. Like I'm trying to reach out to you. I'm trying to bridge this Gap. I'm we don't have to be the best of friends, but I'm just trying to help you fit in a little here because everyone knows what it's like not to fit in so she's trying to ease that transition. Well, and also she appreciates that auction, you know auction has definitely made wrong choices in the past, but she's like you're the type of of person who's trying to turn their life around and do the right thing and I think everybody here would appreciate getting to know that person. Yeah, and I think it also says a lot about Akshay has passed that you know, friendliness is seen as manipulation as opposed to human Outreach. I feel like that's the point where we just kind of jazz hands at lotor a little bit Yeah, because he very very high Charisma stat did not always use those powers for good. Well, yeah. Again, he was one of the only people in her life that ever respected her and it was all in a manipulative fashion. Yeah, once he went off the deep end that became pretty clear like, yep gonna kill all the Gaara. Oh that includes me. I don't want to be here anymore hard pass hard pass and actual wondering if the goal Rua can even change and I find that observation interesting on the heels of the prisoner's dilemma. Hmm. Yeah, where we had warlord lawn and can they change? Well, we're seeing explicitly now that we can that it's I trust them now and I encourage you all to do the same not we're doing this. It's an order but encouragement, so I think yes, especially from what we've seen of the gall rot. Like they're the Fire Nation. There's some issues coming from the top down but not everyone is a terrible person. Yeah. It's difficult to try to change when you are as Says born and bred in war but there's always there's always the possibility for Change and that's what that's what they're giving her right now. And so that's really it's cool to see that develop. Well, it dovetails really nicely with the end of the episode with Asha making that point to zephyra like like yeah come so local. So let's talk a little bit about our a story then because we're coming back around to this and Voltron is able to give the atlas the information. But hey, the robeast teleport is not the right word Wormhole. It's basically space teleporting. It's a space Bridge the Transformers fan. Yes, hashtag space teleporting, but voltron's able to pass on this information and a map of where all of the roby's are and it turns into. Well, you know, let's have a rendezvous. Let's plan let's get this figured out. Where are we going to meet over here at this time? Great. Let's go. And then we get a communication from Voltron saying we're having some technical difficulties will be delayed. Give it a couple hours. We'll keep you updated and then we cut back to Voltron and see why did she rode change the Rendezvous point this sucks as it's the balt balt, I wrote it down and I can't pronounce it the ball to of nebula was the initial place and the new place is just he'll ditch. Turn the technical term. Yeah, let's call it. Hell, I mean we can name a town in Michigan that I'm sure we could name an entire plant that sure that makes on it low oxygen and high CO2, which is basically you have a breathing tank or you die slowly. So the sounds like a really great place to be except when it's not because it's an ambush. Mmm-hmm, which red flags immediately when you see how inhospitable the planet like Shiro picked this this Hey, are you okay? Is there some clone issue going on that we need to know about I have a lot of cruel. I have a lot of questions we have and the questions were all know. It wasn't actually sure. What's a guy with a voice modulator. Can we talk about this old car a little bit. Can we? Yes, does he have a name? I don't I'm sure one was given to him in the credits, but they don't refer to him by name and either of these two episodes and in the subtitles because often times if someone has a name in there talking off screen will get name says a thing in the subtitles, which I really appreciate. Thank you Netflix for having good solid subtitles. And at one point we had him talking off-screen and it was just all khari says something. So as far as we can tell he doesn't have a name but if anybody happens to have his name leave it in the live chat and let us know the live chat that hashtag somewhere because the other thing that really well for one, I love the voice acting for him I have No idea who does his voice but it was great. It was spot on and it and I appreciated when it comes to Universal voice modulators. It's very easy to go the Scream 3 route and to have it just be like no, I don't accept this. This is too ridiculous, but for some reason in the context of this cartoon, I'm like nah, I'd buy it because he's all kauri and we have established the old car. He's technological pedigree since season 3 2 or 3. Ever since Greening the cube and I don't remember if that was season 2 or season 3, but that was a whole while ago. Yeah, I would not have hated it though. If Roger Jackson's voice came out of them voice modulator, but that's that wasn't his plan. You know. Yep, I'd take it. I would absolutely take. Yeah, but that doesn't quite work for the ruse here. No, oh we have to bring up the fact that he is rollo's hat. Why does he have rollo's hat because Rollo is super dead. Yeah. Okay. We couldn't afford Norman Reedus so he killed his Off screen. I don't know. I'm sure that's not the reason buddy, but something brought up and I wish I could remember the Twitter post that I saw but somebody on Twitter brought up the fact that a lot of the people that were brought up in the game show episode, you know during that round where Lance had to guess the people's names A lot of them were dead and roll dough was one of those people and then we when we fast forward to the end of the season and we're cutting back to a lot of Earth stuff Rolo is nowhere to be seen. Be seen if this is true. We have nyman Beazer. But Rollo is Robos not there. And then we fast-forward even further to this episode and this random space pirate has his hat. I feel like the key words here are space pirate. Yeah run by zeth Red who has been merciless from the get-go. I'm pretty sure Rollo is super today. There's nothing overt here. There's nothing over to confirm or did I I mean, it could be that the His tragedy to befall Rollo is simply that he lost his hat but I think about car I picked it up and went. Yeah, I think the implication is that this character is dead and that's really sad. That's a really sad subtextual thing to just have in the background of the show. And again, it's not in the Forefront to like overtly make you sad, but if you pick up on it, you're like, oh man, I think most of chat didn't pick up on this because there's a lot of screaming and pressing. Yeah a lot of people like What what did he die? What know what we'll see on screen death, but it's a really good way of highlighting. Just how just how devastating these conflicts have been in voltron's absence and princess Ponies pointed out. We haven't seen Rollo since the time skip we had three years where things occurred and Voltron was not there for them and things just absolutely went to Pieces. So yeah. That's not good. Sabrina says Hi in chat says there's a theory that Rolla was killed and one of the Creator's Drew one of Rolos last moments. I'm going to need some sources cited on that one. Like I just did if anyone has a link to this, please throw it in the hashtag the chat will not let you put links in there. You have to be an admin for that. But yeah, I could definitely see that being something that you know, because they've talked about in the past on our show about Out, you know wanting to do more stuff with the Voltron Coalition but not necessarily having the time for it so I could definitely see that being something that they just didn't have time for but that they wanted to do and so they kind of put these little clues in there to be like, well this was a scene we wanted to put in but like we didn't have the time for it. So like you can pick up on it though. If you're if you're an eagle-eyed viewer, yeah, the very very heavy implication here is that he did which is sad and rup Norman Reedus. Rollin he was probably killed by these Pirates because how else do you get the Hat? Maybe it was on some Interstellar trade market? We don't know but the heavy implication is that Rollo was killed by these space pirates. Hashtag yikes. Yeah dibs on the hat. Thank you. Oh thank you for the said Price is Right tuba. I appreciate that. The price was wrong Norman. Oh no, Bob Barker just punched someone into a hole of the golf. Oh, no price is wrong. Well, I mean again, that's all speculation. So we should probably move on. Yeah, but it's some pretty dang fun speculation. So we have this unnamed old car a whom several people in the chatter calling Bob. So let's go with Bob, Bob. So I want to know ya guys. What's your head Canon for what happened to Rollo? Let us know we have that already. And chat from cat H. Rollo died saving Matt when he was telling Sam and Earth that Voltron was gone. I both love and hate that it's beautiful and fire bad tree pretty says Nolan North voiced the old car E-Tec that man finds it that makes sense and I miss with the table here, maybe not do that anymore because we've had Nolan North around. He's been Sam from the get-go. But okay that makes sense. That's the Nolan North voice that I'm accustomed to hearing. That's why Yeah, I love this Tech. I love just seeing him on the ship and all the different things. He's keeping tabs on and using the voice modulator and I love watching him screw it up. Well because eventually The Voice stops being enough as the longer the conversation goes on the less likely you are to be able to keep up the deception depending on how much you know about the person and so he starts using really formal language that really doesn't sound like Keith And then oh, yeah, Lance will fix it right Lance the navigational genius affirmative. Do Old Quarry not understand sarcasm or was that just Bob? I might just be Boppin might just be bought. You know, we probably shouldn't call him Bob because that's the name of the gothic. That's right. The elements guys. We need a we need a different name for the Elk re Joe. Let's go with Joe just fine Joe do we I don't think so shoot now. He's Allen, okay. He's Allen is Alan. Okay, but but yeah, I mean it because he doesn't pick up on the sort of social cues ever on and also he has no way of knowing that Veronica's Lance's sister and that auction who knows Keith pretty well at this point or as well as you can know somebody like that given the circumstances like they can pick up enough that this doesn't seem right something seems fishy about this. Yeah. Yeah, and also not picking up on Yeah, like I thought that was a universal language. Maybe not maybe not. I'm not Korean. But what I love about this is that it was a completely different strategy than what the than the last time. We saw the space pirates because the the last time we saw the space pirates they could go in and just take people down through brute force their forces. Are Co are much more diminished this time around so they have to rely on subterfuge and that That creates a really interesting scenario that we have on this desolate Planet. Well, and I don't think they had Allen with them beforehand. No, I don't know we have somehow recruited album is named now gonna get used to it, it's Alan now, I'm wondering whether or not he bailed on the planet before before the robeast attacked and destroyed it. I'm gonna go with yes because I don't think it's been too terribly long since the roby's. We'll carry on. Yeah, and it sounds like Alan has been with the pirates for a chunk of time. So he was probably out just doing his own thing and it turns out your plans Gunther about that. Yeah, these things do happen is they said they were a bunch of stiffs. Anyway, I'm having a better time out here. I think that's a fair assessment. Yeah, but yeah, and this is what prompts Curtis hi Curtis to look into the communication and realize that oh, no, there's a Ghost Protocol originating from somewhere else. Else and voltron's Communications are being blocked and just that moment where all of the distress message has come up on screen at the same time. Oh, yeah, and it's five voices overlaid with each other multiple times yelling about it's a trap we need support. Where are you? That was excellent sound design. Is there good chilling moment? Oh, yeah. I know that just the absolute worst thing that could happen and you're hearing it go down and going. Oh God. We are multiple hours late to this. They could already be dead. Mmm. So just everything we got from the atlas. This episode was so good. And that said let's go follow Voltron. Yeah, follow Voltron onto the hill planet where the lions are caught they have to leave the Lions not to be captured and then it turns out that they're being tracked because their encryption protocol has been hacked has been targeted and anyone who has it can tell exactly where they are. Thanks, Alan. Yeah, no and I love that we get this and then we cut later to Alan's looks like oh, okay that explains that explains. How like, all right. All right. There's no car on board. We're all hosts great. And we're at this is losing that a little bit I love this creates much. It creates an interesting time limit, you know because they have to ditch their armor, which makes all of them. They all have like a very quick expiration date now, so having to run around on this planet while evading the Pirates and having to figure out how long you can stay alive. It creates. Like I said, it creates a very interesting scenario. Yeah, and I loved the line about well, we won't Live without our armor. Well at this rate we won't survive much longer with it. And so, of course we run and we split the party whether we like to or not. I don't know why Keith peeled off on his own from the get-go and I don't think they ever really addressed that because the next time we cut to the paladins he's gone and the other four are moving on and falling through holes in the ground because this planet is hell. I don't know. I got nothing. I don't either I feel like they figured the more that they split up the I have no idea and well Keith is the only one that was still armed. He had his blade. There you go. So that that was probably part of it was I'll take my armor. I can still be armed with out my Bayard. I'll go this way. You guys go this way. Hopefully they'll follow me instead and instead we get will track him the old-fashioned way and the pirate split the party as well and go after them and I just I loved watching all of this. I love that the two that went after hunk and Keith wound up the victims of full-on Predator traps. That was pretty great. I mean, that's exactly what they were with the swinging log and the nooses and the it was Predator. Yeah. It was it was at the humans all the Predators now, it was kid friendly Predator. It really was like, yeah, we're not going the next couple of steps for this one we Have them hanging upside down and that's enough feet. I really loved Lansing a Laura. I really appreciated this and and the show isn't really dwell. It hasn't really been dwelling too too much on the fact that there are a couple in this episode. But like I kind of loved a little bit of the subversion in this moment because Lance goes like go a Laura like get out of here. Like I'll save yourself. Yeah, I'll fend I'll fend them off and we get a throwback to all ten. Camouflage in this moment and oh, yeah, I'll tell you ins have super strength and that was that was phenomenal. Just seeing her jump out of the Shadows like that. I feel like most because we don't see it happen very often most of the audience tends to forget like oh, yeah, they can do camouflage. Oh, yeah, they have super strength. We back in season one. We saw her, uh Euro through a doorway even a couple seasons ago, like she full-on. What's that? What's the wrestling term? It's not suplex, but she like threw Lotor so hard. He bounced he did Laura is just the princess of eating people and I love it so much and it almost makes me feel bad for the space pirates almost but they were going to do some murders. So yeah, that's what you get and I love that one of the space pirates that we had was yet another callback. It was the one that was hunting Matt and Pidge way back when Touring that reunions episode. Yeah. That was a that was a great call back to oh, yeah. He's doing now. He was alone Bounty Hunter and now he's hanging out with these Pirates. I love the world building in this episode because it's like there are so many individual stories going on outside of Ultron. It just makes the world feel richer and and more believable. And in that way. It kind of reminds me a little bit of Z Nation in terms of we're following This Crew in particular, but we get to see all these cross-sections of life when they come across them like we definitely Of our main a plot, but then we run into someone and go. Oh wait, I've seen you before. Oh, yeah, you're still around your this person. You're doing this rep. It's Al is the cafeteria person on the atlas. And I love that. Yeah, I whenever we get little bits like that from the ensemble cast. I just imagine somebody going not everything's about you Voltron. There is life outside your Lions. You just don't ever see it our lives don't Around you I mean kinda wait a minute. Wait a minute the camera follows you guys. Okay, then we'll just not be on camera. And then you see Rose hadn't realized that not being on camera does not mean you're safe. Nope War Stories. It's not like scream to a lot of scream Kovacs this episode. Anyway, I had no problem with it a lot of horror movie callback scream Predator. Yeah good stuff. So yeah, we sherminator with molten multi. Ava we should we should talk about the the big reveal we behind all this it's a thread and I'm I don't understand why she took off her helmet on this carbon monoxide Laden Planet, but you do you let's have some drama is have a dramatic volcano side battle. I mean, it's possible that Galera aren't as such as susceptible to that type of atmosphere. But it also I feel like she also just has a flair for the dramatic in this moment because he or she is she feels like all She has left is her anger. And so she's like yeah, I'm blaming all of my problems on you, even though you're not to blame Ellen screaming. You took as or from me and I we were both sitting here going did she die today's or die? Where is she? I don't remember her dying in this place. Definitely meant to believe that's effort has gone off the deep end because as or did not survived that explosion and you completely by that because Because you see half of her face has been burned. So it's like that that explosion last season had consequences. And so you're led to believe that a Zords dead. So you're like, oh I get where's Etheridge is coming from it's not tell auction comes back that you're like, oh it's not like that. Oh, she just hasn't recovered from their breakup space pirate lesbians had a falling-out they did they are space pirate lesbians and I have not had space pirate lesbian since van dread. So I'm Are you happy about love? They I love that. They didn't dance around it. Like they are a couple I love that and it yeah, it was really cool seeing auction. I'd be like no it's because you refuse to let things go it pushed as or away. Mmm and just a it's such a rational thing to when a relationship doesn't work out that one party wants to look at someone or something to blame and she blamed Keith. Well, yeah. They got hacked up by the paladins and then everything fell apart. Like it's easy to be like this was the last big event in our life before that. You did it. It's your fault as opposed to maybe we broke up for other reasons. His it me. No, it's a paladin set along. Yes. Yes, you are. You're out of touch with your own emotions, and I love daksha. Just trying to talk her down and we bring the can Gall rechange back around. Full circle like yes, I believe you can like she'll never take me back. She might have you had that conversation. Can you chill have you tried texting her just send her a string of emojis and it's a really good again talking about how the episode comes full circle. It's Veronica's Sharp Shooting ability that defuses the situation and Keith for the second time in two and three episodes like not gonna save this go around that was just trying to kill On me. Well it there's I feel like there's a lot he has in common with the with with lotor's generals. He's a half-breed to and he gets looked down on he's gotten looked down on in the past by both people on his own team. And from people in the Galera so it like it makes sense if anybody's if anybody has the ability to reach out and catch her metaphorically speaking, it's Keith because he understands what they're going through and also literal and also literally being a Crispy Critter. Yep, that's so we we somehow managed to haul her out of there despite the fact that she's twice as big as literally everyone on the ground except for maybe Shiro and he had went. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and we I love that we've taken all of the space pirates onto the ship but really the only two that matter are Allen and zeth red. Yeah for back at the end. Like I have no idea where they picked her up. But here she is she's come by to say hi. I just still had her number. Yes. Just texting found your ex. She's super mad. And also very sad you want to talk to her you are you busy right now? Like we could we should go for coffee. So your ex tried to kill us. Do you do want to talk to her? I really I really loved bringing as or back like it. It was such a relief because we I don't want to bring like a controversial opinion into it, but after a Last season, you know, I think a lot of people like it was very easy to jump to the conclusion that as or had been killed. Yeah, and I like there was my heart broken that moment because I was like, oh no not again, but then bring her back around at the end of this episode. It made my heart sing. I was like, yes. Yes, yes are lesbian space pirates. Maybe could have a happy ending if they can work it out. It seems like they're working on that. So huzzah. So I really did I appreciated the hell out of this episode. I always love it when a long-running series and it is long running by this point in time can bring back older characters can bring things back around can have some character development can have some off-screen development like we talked about the world doesn't stop when the camera leaves the planet. It's just it's so nice it is this was very well done. Very well ended just good execution. Hmm. We have anything else to say about it. I just That all of this development feeds really well into the next episode. 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We will too and thank you so so much Katie is Katie Holmes is my queen. Yeah, thank you agree with your choice and characters. Mmm. I concur with that assessment. Yes. So thank you guys and we've got Jason color and chat saying first time seeing the stream live. Welcome. Welcome good times great oldies and a ding. Let's head over to our next episode. Let's do it. This is why we picked Pompeii as our opening song. Yeah. The Escalade very very quickly Genesis is where things go down. Hmm, huh? And we start with we finally managed this rendezvous with Voltron and Atlas. So let's talk about what's going on. And what's going on is roby's robeasts everywhere. Yeah, huh nervous finally putting her plan into motion and they're able to figure out oh, you know looking at all of this data we can figure out they are coming from Amore 'and and they're on all these different planets. And right now they're just kind of chilling with particle barriers around them. Nothing is happening. What do we need to do? And I love all these different plans that are thrown out. We need to go try and take care of the roby's we need to go after Al nervo. We need to stay the course like I love all these different schools of thought and how they're all presented equally and they all come together for a multi-part plan. Like I appreciate that. I think some of the most interesting scenes in these last couple seasons are just The boardroom where they're all just kind of going over the information that they have and trying to figure out what to do next. Yeah and how the different plans that they present really reflect. The different character is like a Laura really wants to go after I nervous. She wants this problem taken care of and she is super mad. She finally found out there are more all Tans and they're still being used. Yeah, like this family line is really good at using all day. Yeah. We're sure o is Looking at a much larger what he considers to be the bigger picture or at least a different aspect of it. We're staying the course we're doing what we need to do. And then there's the whole. Hey, we have a bunch of roby's on these different planets. Should we should we address that should we take care of that? Maybe? Yeah. It's interesting getting like the humanitarian perspective. Like our focus should be on search and rescue and evacuation versus like well if we just go and take care of the problem, then we won't have to evacuate any more planet. So Yeah, it's interesting seeing like where our priorities should be going. And then in the middle of our boardroom the middle of our boardroom scene, it's it's time to go. Yeah, let's get this party started decision sort of gets made for them like, okay gonna Orient because it because we know that she's got the cubes that they're able to refract energy and generally strengthen a signal and she's got all these different planets with all these different roby's that we know can siphon an entire planets quintessence. Let's look at what happened to I'll carry on. So basically we are going to murder a bunch of planets to power up a Galaxy killing machine because that's what this looks like. It is. We've created a giant Komar and we can murder entire galaxies at a go because vampiric touch is a terrifying spell to have and that's what we're working with here. So then we wind up with this three-pronged plan. The rebels are going to go and take care of evacuation. Make sure they know that they're not getting any back. Which is just like have fun with the evacuations guys. All the Firepower is going this way. That's of luck. And yeah Voltron and Atlas heading to or an to kind of Meet the problem at its source and I love that. We keep cutting back to slav and all of the different reality manipulations and well if it's this it's this and if it's this, it's this what color are your socks? Yeah. I feel like he was like the only source of comedy in this episode because it was very serious and very high stakes than even mm, but it was really great to be like to just get a little bit of slav back. He's My favorite characters like when they first introduced him he kind of drove me bonkers, but in the same way, he drove us here Obama Care. Yeah, there's there's only so much you can work with all of what happens with it. But again, he's he's fun. He's a lot of fun and for him. This is serious. What color are your socks because that determines what reality were in and someone who is so tapped into the idea of different realities and how they change and how the tiniest things can make the biggest differences turns out you really need someone like that in this season because we are lie, we're leaning into this multiple realities thing. So Hardware horizontal. Yeah and to the point where it starts becoming overtly that towards the end of the episode with her nerva and I I have to say that's one of my favorite sequences in the in the episode is just kanerva starting to open up the different realities. Yes, and just seeing her. Flashing back and forth up and down her timeline. Yeah. I I wish we had had the time to just go through it frame by frame because there are quick flashes of the different iterations of her throughout her life. It's done very quickly, but it's it's a really cool effect. Yeah. I picked up on three I picked up on Young on irva. I picked up on Hagar and I picked up on you know current times. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was so cool to watch. Oh, yeah. No, all of this was absolutely beautiful in this utterly horrifying fashion because we're approaching will carry on we're expecting the garden. Nope. Nope more robeasts. Yeah. The heck has the guardian been this entire time. This is where that bit of foreshadowing. We were talking about with Cova comes into play which again, I didn't realize it was foreshadowing until we we watched through these episodes again. Yeah. Wow and my notes say hey we found the guardian. Just in time for it to be horribly murdered. Yeah, like we have all this quintessence from all these other planets. We summon up the guardian somehow we completely murder it. She sucks it dry. And that's how she's able to rip open realities. Like all of this is a conduit through. Oh nerva, everything that has been built on Aura and the cubes that the roby's there. We are. That's the word everything that's happening because she wants her kid back. Yeah, that is what we we have so much good combat here. We have Atlas in full giant robot mode. We have a character deaths care that razavi is my queen and I was terrified man. I'm so glad they made it out of that. Okay? Yeah. She's one of my favorites. I was like, yeah and it's the first time that we've seen it MFE fighter take a hit like this. Usually they're in and out and doing pretty well for themselves and this time it's nope. I'm hit. My systems are hacked up. I'm having trouble and I'm sitting here going. Oh God, they're gonna kill her. No, no, no, no, no killer is Avi. We Riot. Yeah kind of like no, that's not okay with that. I would have been very upset and just we have those rapidly mounting tension because Voltron is out of this fight. They're already through the white hole we have to roby's and they're causing so much trouble and we have a cellblock breach. Yeah, we have the prisoners coming up to the bridge. So there's all these different Shields are low. They're locking on to us. They're draining our quintessence and the hole is being breached and you can just watch this tension mounting and watching the expression on Shiro's face with we don't have time for this. But here we are and it's Z thurid and as or and Alan and it's please let Alan help. I don't want us to die. He's whole khari he can do this, please let Alan hell it is funny thinking that he could have escaped from that cell at any time. Prior to this. Oh, yeah and earn brownie points and it's like let's let's not but that's not it is what I was talking about. It's really cool. Seeing that development get some immediate payoff. It's like now you she doesn't need Revenge anymore. It's like you can just like Lieutenant lawn. It's like you can be a part of something bigger now and they are yeah and it just that she can't they all came in with their hands up or at least the one that wasn't in a sling just saying we're in a Herbal situation my tech can help let him we're not trying to take over the bridge where we want to live. It's not too late to change. Jay and this gives us the breathing room that we need with the full on Naruto cloning techniques. Yeah, it gives that was fantastic. Yeah, and it gives us the breathing room to get resolved a back on the atlas to maybe turn this fight around a little bit. So just this this was so great to watch on the edge of my seat for this entire fight because of that tension because of these multiple parts. And again, please don't kill my queen enough hand and we know the the Art of Devastation that one of these roby's have. Oh, yeah like and so having multiple ones in play is is downright terrifying. Yeah, we have established that a single row Beast is a match for Voltron and we have to in play here multiples and play on the planet like massive problems Voltron is no longer the be-all and end-all most powerful thing in this universe and then you open up the portal and bring lotor's Mech into back into place. The sink line is back. Yeah, and the sink line is berserkering. Yeah, like takes out Voltron and I can't say I'm surprised because voltron's been through a lot in this fight already having to try to fend off to robeasts and then we have the syncline back evidently doing its own dang thing Rex Voltron divides the Lions and then when this we have Marilla who we've met before and we have this other all day and Who's there and he goes it like whole Sr has returned. Let's go try to help him out and Merlot figures out pretty quickly that something is wrong because this we've seen how low to our Pilots the syncline when he's in control, even when he's berserkering in the quintessence field. He's a very analytical thinker he's very strategic. This is some Barbarian brutality is episode 2 of a vanilla. Ian when you see what happens when when the Ava unit goes berserk her for the first time. Oh, yeah, that's that's what it is. And I love this moment to because it makes me feel like, you know, there's more to Marla than we're seeing and the other thing is that they've known lotor as this benevolent God. Yeah, this this very benevolent figure and so to see the the mech that he's piloting in Brazil kermode you can justify it as well. It's Voltron and there. Bad guys, but you can tell immediately that she's like something is off about this. Yeah, and I like that she's like obviously they've all been a little brainwashed. You know, we're in a cult where there's no real good way to get out of it. But even then she still intelligent enough to go. Wait a minute. This is incorrect. Something is wrong. Something is off and trying to call back her pillow her pillow Fila her fellow pilot when he goes to try to support load. Door and that ends in his immediate and horrible death. That was really Grizzly and showing that the syncline is also a match for these roby's. Yeah, even those been in the quintessence field for God knows how long there has been no mechanical breakdown here. It's terrifying. Yeah, just watching it go and that it I want to be it's just been absorbing quintessence like a sponge probably and that that it just immediately turns on presumably its allies. So this this is a bad situation for everyone involved here and a Laura takes the moment to go wait. This is all going through nerva. I can take her out now, which is been her objective this entire time. Yeah and have to stop o nerva. Yeah and all the lions are down and unresponsive, but blue landed close enough that alura's going you know, what let's do it opportunity knocks and I am answering and she goes after all nerva and we have this Conversation in the void because uh nerva is a little broken. She's magic. Yes. There are in terms of her character balance. She is a little broken and she could essentially stop this moment put a Laura in this void where we can have a couple minutes worth of conversation. And we do all of this join me and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son what the hell ever, but she also makes the very very good point that Right now I am the only thing controlling lotor like the syncline went after the Red Lion and she's she stopped him right before own right before allora got to her. I am mixing up names. There are so many three-syllable names that end in a on this show. But yeah, she's like, I'm the only thing keeping my son from killing your friends what and so a Laura has to make a split-second decision. Stop a nerve and now and Is my friends and nickel and who's Lance or you know, give her give her nerve and of time to run away and she makes the ladder decision and we see her just Biff The Landing roll and collapse in a sobbing he because that's the worst decision. I it's a terrible decision to have to make I'm not judging a Laura's decision. I'm saying you lose either way know what I love. This moment though because you never get a character interaction like this between two female characters in an action show meant for meant for boys very often to women of color. Yeah. I loved this because I feel like in Old Voltron there were so many situations where it was like well do this or will destroy the princess whose immobilized right now and you know, they're like, okay. Well, we'll we'll have to let you go this time and so having having having the situation was reversed was so refreshing. Yeah, it's bad. It's bad for all of our characters because her nerva and lotor get away. But like I said, I loved seeing this character moment. It was a thing of Wonder and beauty and also utterly emotionally devastating. Yeah, this whole episode was that's the thing is that a Laura has to live with this choice now like so later on if things get really really badly she could look back on. Moment and been like I should have killed unnerving when I had the chance, but if you kill a nerva, you have the sink line, which is a Berserker right now going off all of the Lions down and God knows what's happening on the other side of the white hole this animals injury higher colony of all teh ins and their robeasts watching you having just killed their goddess. Yeah, like you're absolutely right. This is a no-win situation. This was a no-win situation and that's where we leave. The episode was. But we failed we failed. I mean everyone manages to get out before the white hole completely collapses and that was one of those. Well, we can't escape. The only thing we can do is Wormhole, but we're not leaving for drawn by its right style. We have to escape before before everything explodes in on itself, but just Shiro's unwavering confidence of they'll come they'll arrive. Yeah, like they will make it like I know them they will make it here and then we'll leave but all of Orion Now a ship. So this whole planets done this white hole is done. This font of knowledge has been utterly desecrated and now destroyed and we have all nerva with a ship a bunch of robeasts the syncline and the upper hand on her way to God knows where Decisions were made decisions were made. So yeah, we all of our Paladin's walk away alive. But at what cost? Yep, pretty much. Yeah, which is a really good way to leave the episode but at what cost is basically this episode and it's oh the Fantastic Wonder watch it was incredibly well put together again. I cut back to the bridge seen with how just the mounting tension. Thing was equally important and we throughout it. We're also cutting back to the rebels getting these people off of these planets that are being destroyed like you're seeing all of this destruction being wrought across this Galaxy and going. Oh, oh, oh, this is rough. Yeah. It's it's fascinating to see what length on over we'll go to to get what she wants and what she wants her kid back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she has him but at what cost Just because we also get that monologue from slav talking about time slippage and all these things that are happening and it's screwing up the Crystal and it's causing issues and also take off your socks. Yeah makes you wonder what sort of repercussions is going to have on the overall fabric of reality because we've specifically said now it's a tear in the fabric of this reality. It's causing issues. This is bad. We're we're kind of getting into spider-verse territory here and I love it. I love that so much and we'll talk about that more later. Once we get further on in the season and those of you who have seen both know exactly what we're talking about here. And for the what we are keeping to our own spoiler policy and not touching on that. So for now do we have anything else to say about these two episodes just that I love all the character driven stuff. The the mech animation in the fights was fantastic all in all wonderful. Yeah, wonderful set of episodes these two were incredibly well done. So but thank you for trying time. We love them. I'm also really glad that we got to talk about them back, you know together as because they go together really well as a unit really do. 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Looks like the beginning of what may well be the end on this week’s Voltron! Hosts Katie Cullen and Megan Salinas cover season 8 episodes 5 and 6: The Grudge and Genesis. We discuss Acxa’s social life or lack thereof, the best way to fool Voltron and the Atlas (hint: it involves not taking sarcasm seriously), and whether or not villains can change. We then move on to Honerva’s plan to tear apart reality to get Lotor back, leaving a trail of devastated planets (and devastated people) in her wake...and she wins this round. Things don’t look good, but we can always keep hoping. The Voltron After Show: Join the robotic lions in this intergalactic war against the Galra Empire by listening to the various recaps, reviews and in-depth analysis and discussion on each episode of the series. Not only will we break down the episodes though, we’ll also deliver all the latest news surrounding the show and have cast and crew join us. It’s the VOLTRON LEGENDARY DEFENDER AFTER SHOW! Show Summary: Voltron: Legendary Defender is an animated web television series produced by American companies DreamWorks Animation and World Events Productions and animated by South Korean Studio Mir. It is a reboot of both the Beast King GoLion anime series and the Voltron franchise, and its animation is a mix of anime-influenced traditional animation for characters and background and CGI for Voltron action sequences. Voltron: Legendary Defender is set in a science fiction universe where planetary energy called "quintessence" can be used to power vehicles and magic. The series follows the adventures of the Paladins of Voltron who must learn to work together to form the giant robot Voltron and use it to defeat the evil Galra Empire. 