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You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now let the fun begin. What's up, everybody? You know it is the affair after show. So glad to be back with my lady's talking about the affair. I am your host Lynn Gonzalez. And yeah, man episode 3, you know, you know, it's getting crazier and crazier. Oh, yeah next to me course the amazing incomparable. She always has the best glasses on Allison D. Thanks lime. So good to see you. So good to have you back this week. Week. Yes the same without you but you guys are great together. We're better with last illness still my heart. And of course my eight one since day one, like literally since season one we've been doing this she is so amazing and she's the best fan ever ever wonder that. As fast as you are. Oh God, I feel like she's the ultimate Sarah tream Twitter follower as well to a lot of her tweet. Yes. Yeah, and actually today I attempted to be April and see if I was missing anything for our news and gossip and I was like, maybe it's only when April looks at her Twitter. There's a lot today you're right because I was looking at it going I can't use any of this. All right? All right. So ladies, what do you think about this episode? Out there's just so much and I think that they're doing a good job of what they used to do in the sense of making Noah seem one way and his part and then he seems different and Helen's obviously we still have seen that over the past few seasons, but I definitely went back there tonight. As far as I was and stuff like that. I'm glad you said that because I noticed that as well and very much conflicting stories and then we got the same type of timeline. I know but I thought was interesting is Sasha is a jerk in both wise and I think he must be an amazing actor because he's playing this role this villain role so good that I really hate his guts. Like I hate him with a passion. I hate the way he's talking every time he comes on scene. Like I just like it's too cold. Yes. I don't know what it is. That makes his Are seeing that way or if that he's just that way and I don't know if it's because he's going against one of our main characters, even though we've had our problems with our own main character of course, but he's enough. Yeah, okay record. So I will say just to add some conflict here. I really do like the way Helen is responding to him though, like really for I appreciate that. She has someone now that's giving her something like You know when she walked out at the end and her mom was there and I just I like the way he's lighting her up a little bit has Helen got her groove back or something. You know, I'm not saying he's you know, the bee's knees but I just like that. He's the one bringing it out of her. However that's happened. I just like that. It's being brought out of here. I did like that as well. I don't like that. Maybe he's doing that but I did like the confidence that she exuded at the end because she's been so like downtrodden. For so many seasons now. I mean, I appreciated that as well. I like that she called him at well, we think she called him out saying like why me, you know and I don't his answer was fair enough for me. I mean, I don't know. I just some kind of I can work with this right now. I'm not saying he's amazing amazing. I'm just saying I'm okay with what's being explored right now being explored with the character. Yeah, I think for me and correct me if I'm wrong, but I know they said, you know in the last Sewed they did a three-month jump. Yeah, but it hasn't hasn't been three months since Vic passed away has it. I mean do we part three is? Okay. Yeah. So we say that because we were talking about that before because of the baby the baby it's really big but I feel like I think it's too soon and granted. I was never Big fan, you know, we talked about this but they were together and I truly believe that he loved her and she loved him and whatever way that is works out that they did love each other. However being that he's passed away. She's obviously reeling over that she's got so much that is going on with Noah still kind of in there and not to jump ahead. But this whole movie thing is kind of it's weird to me. Yeah. It's creating a weird dynamic between our characters. And I granted that I know that they have to really do something special because it's the last season and so but I don't know personally if I like the way they're portraying it. Yeah, but getting back to the whole, you know, bee's knees thing with your boy Sasha and getting her groove back. I just feel like I don't know I maybe because I don't like him. I feel like I want her to be happy. You know, I'm the fan right where Chinese my girl I do love some Helen. So I want her to be happy at the end of the day if it's not with Noah be with somebody right but I think he's not it but you know, maybe it's good for her to have taking out the fact that we don't like him good for her to have a rebound maybe before she gets into something more serious with somebody else even as you were saying that I was like, oh he's awful and so many ways meaning Sasha but like it's it's almost good the That she is with after you know, this major death in her life. Probably isn't going to be the most deep thing ever because she needs something a little lighter as she seems like she needs something a little lighter. So it's like maybe if our hope is that she and Noah are together in the end then maybe it's good that she kind of has her little like romp in the hay because she hasn't had many romps in the hay in her life and she deserves a few I think the Like that Vic made that video and said, you know, please live for you. Now I give you know, I want you to live for the both of us. I think that helped her absolutely helped Empower her or helped her re-evaluate the fact that you know, I really have been the caretaker for so many people I need to think about myself and part of me also thinks that this movie situation that's happening. I feel as though it's almost it's a way for her to escape. Escape her reality and I think that's also kind of significant for her because you know, her day-to-day life is packed with this and that and this and that and it's not and so I think it's her way of immersing into something that is I mean, it's fantasy but yet it's fantasy based on her own life. Exactly. So it's a strange like all three ality really weird, right? It's totally weird. But I think it's helping her process come out of her shell and just not have to think about, you know all of her. Drama, yeah, I feel like with Helen and we've seen this, you know, since the affair took place in season one. She's been very indecisive in her movements. Right? She feels one way but then it's like Noah May sway her or something else or the kids or something like that or her parents that we've seen have which have a large impact over the years in her life. We see that she just can be that way and she has moments where she asserts herself and then there's moments that she just kind of gives in to the powers that be so I think with her we've always seen her on this interesting journey. I hope that at the end of this that she has a resolution period with her life, right because she's doing like I said with now and that scene when you know, they're doing their thing. Yeah, and she they're talking about when you do the rug, right and then she's like, I'm so many people here and she's talking about her son and her son's boyfriend and then she's got her. Sierra with the bait like I'm like yo, that's a lot of people don't house girl right boy, they get it together, but it's the kind of laughing at it because it's like she's doing all these things and it's like she never takes care of herself. I think that's why the thing when Sasha said about don't light yourself on fire to keep other people warm. Yes. Yes, because that's basically what Vic said and that's I sorry. I didn't totally did not mean to interrupt you, but when you said that it was like ding ding ding. Because it clicks because he's the person that's also saying don't do this don't you know cover yourself in all of this crap just to help everybody else out like you can still do it but like have your own life as well and I think the first big step forward in that direction was her saying no to her mother to about moving back home. You know, this is something that perhaps she would have thought about more and perhaps maybe would have taken the steps toward transitioning back to the east coast and I think this is her. Into her own and saying know you'll figure this out. Absolutely. Yeah, let's jump into the first part of this episode also its nose version and we see, you know, some things happening. But basically he has dinner with Whitney checking for her fiance, which I think they found a thing is a waste personally. I just I have no connection to this Colin dude. He just kind of appears. I mean, I guess she has to have something to keep her involved, but I feel like he's just a waste you're my opinion. You know, I'm connected to the guy that we see in the preview for next week. So I think that that's maybe I totally agree with you. It just seems like so it's kind of thrown in there, but maybe it's thrown in there because it's the way or the thing that's going to bring Noah really back into the scheme of things with his kids as far as being an actual. Yes voice that they hear and stuff like that. And and also I think that I liked it tonight anyway because I liked what it gave she in. Well when they were sitting down at dinner, I like that it kind of made him seem. Well, not that he doesn't care. But like it's clear. Okay. I'm very much so care about this because she does not look well. I mean she just looks tight like we are all tired. She's one out work situation, whatever but like as we hear her talk about this she doesn't seem like she's so gung-ho about getting married, right and she tries to explain it away in a sense of like I do. Love him and you know you were a starving artist at one point. He's a starving artist yada yada yada trying to make corporations. Like she clearly isn't very excited about the idea of getting married to him and I agree because we've seen their relationship has been very tumultuous. Right like extremely for over several seasons. Yeah, like they haven't been good for a while. Right? So I do like the fact that and I agree that this is probably a way to get him back in with good graces, which we don't see the her. On the middle sign we haven't seen the connection Martin. Thank you, which he was kind of a string with all his kids. Yeah. This is going to be interesting how it gets in if that's a pattern how he gets in with the youngest and how that you know happens because he hasn't really fun with him. So maybe it's like, oh, let's get you know make Whitney straight and then that'll follow suit may be right. I think it's going to be listening to see and we talked about this last week. Whitney's going to have three povs, you know her own story and I think that'll be the time for us to to see if in fact what she's saying is love between her and her Beau is actually because we just haven't seen enough between the two of them right now. It's all just kind of you know, these itty-bitty conversations are certain. Yeah, right. I certainly didn't like him entering dinner the way you didn't like grabbing the bread and just you just seem sloppy and kind of read about the whole thing which looks like a nice place and he's like, so yeah, I was like, yeah mon. Yeah. He seemed like an idiot, but I think and I think that they are probably setting us up. Course. Yeah for like exactly exactly we do see that Janelle calls Noah after the three months that we saw in the last episode that you know, there was a three-month jump and we didn't know what happened between them. She just kind of walked out and then I was it well, apparently they haven't even talked and he's been trying to call her and reach out to her and she's been ghosting him heavy, right? So she calls him out the blue and basically he was like, yo, why don't you you know talk I want to talk. Thought I'd come by the house and he's like, all right, it's gonna be like, she's like no. No, it's fine. It's yeah, that's right. What the heck walks in? Yeah. And first of all, she's campaigning for school board, right? And then you see her ex, dude, who's now her current dude again. Yep, and he's just like, oh, okay. So what's really going on come to find out she wants to talk to him because she's like, hey, this is what's going on. I really need to keep Our what we had going on right privates. Don't mark up my campaign shot man. Yeah, no kind of spoilers. Yeah, I've no issues with that. How did you guys feel about that? Gosh, you know I took issue with it actually only because me, too. I was like you can't not the okay. First of all, I get her wanting to keep it secret for the reasons that she listed like makes total sense. It's not that this was like a super serious relationship right her life it was Short-lived sure, you know it we did get to see a lot of it and I kind of like that. I can also appreciate the fact that she went through some difficult times with him, especially seeing it from her point of view. So she doesn't necessarily care to like give him the explanation that he feels that he needed. But but I was like you can't just totally go somebody blow somebody off ask them. Hey do me this favor don't tell anybody and then get pissed at When they're sitting there it just because they're like what I think this is a what not to do. I can still be the same. You cannot sit here at like when she got pissed at him. I was like what? Yeah, obviously he's angry you were his girlfriend USG. Sometimes said, maybe not a girlfriend but like you were together in some capacity. What are you exactly we read that the word date so it doesn't matter like it just seems so I was Like you're really going to get mad at him because he's questioning the fact that like you just you only asked him for this you don't care about us. Okay, you don't care about him. But like at least feel like I'm so sorry I don't care. But will you do this? And then if he says no then whatever I guess figure it out. I think there was a lot of things that we're not said that needed to be I clearly she the reason why she walked out of the funeral event. Yeah part after party repast it's called well. Yeah, RI passes. Yeah, I feel like I've always called it the party. Okay, perhaps funeral parties in Alabama. So this is all new. Oh, yeah. I'm for sure the other he I've been to several. But um, I think she was harboring a lot of resentment a lot of resentment around that I really do and I think and I'm not saying that that's an excuse for how she handled it. I think she handled it very poorly. You can't especially if he was calling relentlessly and you still aren't returning a phone call or even a text saying And I'm just you know, yeah, like what the heck's just something I mean, it should be radio silence. So she definitely did not handle it well, but I also feel like that could have been her moment to say just FYI. A lot of things went down that you and I didn't talk about that. I really didn't but I guess it wasn't the time for that either. She sort of like these things are never going to do said I think it was just like you said is the fact that she called him over, you know in the middle of all of this and then kind of just thought that oh, I'm just going to tell you this and you're going to be okay with it. Yeah, especially somebody like Noah who can be Of absorb and who can take things to heart very much. So as if he's being attacked that's just the wrong person to do that with. Yeah. So and again she doesn't know him that well also they have a weird dynamic because she's his boss and he's you know under her she's he's a subordinate but they had this you know thing going on. So it's just a really interesting Dynamic but yes, I think we all agree. She didn't handle it. Well, I'm just interested to see what that plays into going forward. Or if that's it. How about for Janelle? Well, they caught a punctuated a little bit but I think we might get just because we still have Joel present. I that's what I was going to say. Yeah, I think I'll be something there. Joel is in the picture and he's now the co-principal no. No, he's not. He's just principal now. It's just prints because she essentially all right now she's doing her thing. Yeah, so wait, so then now That being said thank you for the point. I think that maybe there is a punctuation. Yeah, I think maybe that is what - what else would she be connection to move? Oh, no, I'm sorry for I think what it will be is I think there has to be some kind of in-your-face with Joel in terms of with her and him with her being like so if she wins the seat, I think they'll be some interplay that will see with her and this happening. Yeah, just yeah just with things. Happening with him as principal and her being able to mandate certain things because she's now in a more senior position. I don't know. I feel like there could be something to that effect. If the baby is though, but I don't see how that would affect nothing else. But yeah, it would affect our characters. They're definitely punctuated I guess. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, that's there's no reasoning especially now because it seems like he's really kind of funding for Helen, you know, and anyone what you can't have yes, and he's the poster child for that. Yeah, absolutely. The top for that so we do see in gosh. We got to talk about them Sasha manse. Awesome ain't never going that's awesome, man. So he's all up in this episode. I'm heavily and and all and all the way and groaning the whole time. I don't like it. But we do see that in those also version still he shows up to the movie Set and then Helens there and they start talking, you know start talking to know about the movie and he's basically wanting Noah to Kind of rewrite what he's written, you know says hey, I think the character should go back to his wife and wants to know how to change the script and no it's kind of being the findings like no, I don't want to do that and then he's like, well, I'll rewrite it confuses me. Okay. I'm like you're making a movie of the book. We obviously know that stuff doesn't always happen like the book exactly the same right? But like I'm like you're not the writer. So I guess it's just confusing me a little like we understand. You don't like it. But like that doesn't give you the authority to be like, okay, so we're just going to totally change it. I think he's I think there are sort of insinuating his role even though he's the star. I think he's also producer and I think his hands are more than just I'm starring in it. So yeah, it's kind of giving him carte blanche to oh, I don't like that you're changing it that kind of thing. But I feel he could very easily just be like, okay that you're not making the movie on my book, right? I mean would lose money. But yeah, well, what's funny? He is when I was watching this. I initially thought when we first saw him in the first episode that he was the director. Yeah that when I see him acting I'm like oh but I agree. He's maybe the producer he could also be the director because we haven't really seen a director Frank yelling cut. So I assume he made so he probably has direct right? So therefore he does have more influence Ram in what happens with the movie and I think that the what the writers are showing us in my And is that they're showing because how Noah is really how he's feeling about Helen now, right right and how he does when I go back to him and then it's kind of like pointing out. It's like, okay. Wait a second, even though this is something that has happened. It's not all supposed to be, you know, nonfiction, right, but we know that there are some, you know some embellishments there. So I think it's kind of like he's poking at he's like, oh, well, I think this should this should happen with the character. He's like, well, no. No, that's not how I write it. Because Noah we know he sees himself. I definitely a different way. That's true too. I thought it was interesting how Sasha explained it back away know how Sasha was like, oh, you don't want the story to end with you getting back with your wife because you you know, you think everyone all crimes have to be or you have to pay for your crimes like so essentially him ending up with Helen in the end. Sasha was saying it's like too happy of an ending for Noah Noah feels He has to be punishment for these crimes, right and that's why I was like, well, that's that's an interesting way to put it at I wonder if he actually thinks that just in general anyway, but I'm like, I'm pretty sure you have paid for the crimes that you've committed you went to jail for this woman. So, I don't think that's actually it but I just I also I agree that I think they're putting it there like as a thing in your head. So like oh, okay at the end of this story meaning the end of the show. We'll Noah go back to his wife, right? Right, but it's just interesting because I'm like, it's I think that's one of the most that's why his other books are being written because he kills the character of Alice in my books. I don't know. It's just interesting. It is interesting. I thought it was interesting and I kept I kept pointing at each both you guys and I think you've had no idea what I was doing. What I thought was interesting when Janelle and Noah were talking and she basically said, you know Carl's known me for this long and we have a history and yeah, Like she was foreshadowing what perhaps may be occurring later on in the season between NOAA and Helen I thought that's what I was trying to cause like. I thought you were each other. He's the one But I did kind of pick up on that when that was happening. Yeah, you could tell his house. He was thinking he's like, oh, wait a second. I'm in the similar situation. Boom. Boom. Boom. Yeah. I thought this was interesting Noah ends up going to karaoke because he says I'm going to take a right at karaoke. So of course Noah because he's feeling some kind of way about omo interaction, but I think it's more it to me. I saw it as more First interaction with with Sasha and Helen no, you have to be a spy. Basically absolutely absolutely get it though. And the same where he sees Helen coming out of saucers trailer, like absolutely that's not the most comfortable thing in the entire world whether he feels that way or not for his ex-wife to be they're seeing all of this stuff play out, but also to be involved with the man that is starring in it potentially directing producing whatever else he's doing it to be sleeping with him. Like that's not going to be good. No matter how you feel. Oh, absolutely. Ali I mean, I think he's he's going to have a problem anybody with Helen even he's the one that had the affair like let's keep it all the way real right and so he always had a problem he had a problem with Vic has a problem with anybody that is with Helen because as I've said for Five Seasons, he still loves Helen and he secretly wants to be with her regardless if they can work or if that will happen. That's what he wants. Yeah, and so that's why I feel like we're getting all of this kind of foreshadowing and all of this kind of juxtaposition. The other characters. Yeah, you know he goes up to karaoke. He you know, basically wants an explanation like give me an explanation. What's up Sasha is like when you talk about and you know, he's not budging then he goes up seeing a Tom Petty song block the girl over. Oh my God. Is this just your singing voice? Like are you trying to make this voice? It was bad with that, but it was weird because then all of a sudden he wakes up because he's totally plastered. All right. Wait, Super um, and he wakes up and he's having Mexican food with Joel but he's not having any food. Here are sort of just laying out food. Yeah, it was passed out. What are you guys take from that because I'm just like a granted we see Joel kind of being introduced as you know this person that kind of like, I feel like he thinks no was cool. Right and one that's kind of associate himself with all yeah, man, let's hang out da da da and you know supposedly they had this writing session, okay? I think he's just somebody to be there and because he was saying, oh, let's go out. This is what he was in the last season and trying to get Noah to like read his script. It's not like that. So I think he's just a filler character somebody to be there to have Noah talking to I was still confused at how we ended up there. Did he call that guy to pick him up? Because he's drawing he did because I think what happened in Helens version really did happen. I don't think that like she just made that up. Obviously, we didn't see it in his version but like I think he did wait what you what are you referring to be like going to her house that happens the night like that could have been the person that he called Uber because we did see him call Noah earlier and correct. Yeah. So like that's I just think he's a filler character and I don't even like I like how the actor Adam Shapiro plays the character. Yeah. He's yeah, but I don't I'm like yeah, I just think he's there. Okay. Okay. I will see if there's any more with goes forward getting into Alan's version so she's having lunch with Margaret. You said it was so hot. I think it was so hot. Okay. I'm pretty sure okay and then because a lot of now they're in LA riots like you try to figure out what are these places are people out there there so houses everywhere but so house is a really big deal. He could it be the IV but now it's not that heavy. Okay. Yeah, like now I'll be like, where is that? Anyway? Yeah, so she basically start talking about her dad and basically Margaret tells Helen that he has dementia, right and then also that like literally almost their whole savings finances is gone. We have a convo. Yeah. Well, she did all the stuff that she was saying to him just really I mean, obviously none of us thankfully are in that situation and are too young to be in the situation that she's in but it really just resonated with me to think about like Dear God she's so right. She stayed with this man. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He did. All of this crowd is crazy these years that was and then all of a sudden like he left her at one point like to see things go. He left her to be. Oh, yeah, I would that person right? I'm like now they got back together, I guess before maybe the dementia really set in even though she's been seeing signs of it for a long time. We haven't seen Noah try to mention it to Helen but I'm like she's so right and now she loves him and like you don't leave someone when they're sick, but the some of the best years of Her life are spent with the worst. And what's also interesting is that has happened in a lot of people's lives. Oh, yeah. I mean I just, you know, because you know when specially if someone has been unfaithful and then it go out and then they end up getting sick. Like I said, they're going to go back to home want to go back to what's familiar. Yeah, and then now this person who does care for them and love them Houston. I'll take care of them and it's just yeah, it's a terrible situation and I think she does Is like she even says she does like actually love him and that way because she took him back. Yeah, but I'm like, yeah God that's just rust. Yeah, but that actually just being at the age that she's at all so it's not like she's you know, st. That's right. I've always not like I was just gonna say I did but in that scene and when she said that I did feel bad. Yeah. I did feel bad because you know, she's right. Yeah, we then see them both going and checking Sierra and the Baby, the two-year-olds. I like car because I was like, you know, what we'll see is being the OG. Yes. So many people nowadays, which is great like Everett to each their own completely but like you get stuck in this cycle of this is the only way I can do this whatever and she was like honey, your baby's gonna starve tooth do what you have to do to get him to eat. I thought she was like funny witty and that saying I think that was also just because we know that Sierra is very LA. Right and I've asked the quintessential, you know, she does the yoga and all of the thing and vegan and all of that but I think that that was like oh but I can't do this because my Doula said this and that a DOT and she's like girl just feed this baby. Right just feed this baby and you go to sleep like you'd and I think that you know, because she's not from La, you know, I see some of the east coast and they do things differently. So I took that as and also she's an LG, right, you know different Generations different Generations, so but yeah, I did I did I agree with you I did. Like her in that sense. I didn't I really didn't I and I actually but I loved Helen it and I thought Helen sort of embodied the perfect balance between the two. Yeah. I thought that Margaret was just way too abrasive about the whole thing for someone that was clearly exhausted. And just I mean what that was? Oh, no, I thought Helen channeled it very well, but first and she articulated it in a way where Sam Cooke scented and Market could be Absolutely. She definitely know you're right. You're right and I think Margaret is just that's the way she does. Yeah. Look what I was just referring to the fact what she was saying was correct, like stop doing this. Yeah, like what you're doing is not working your baby needs to eat something at all like that baby didn't need the oh God. My baby's five years old was swapped out when Helen brought the baby into the bedroom with Sierra. It looked like a A smaller baby. Well that I mean I probably actually was because they're all these laws and on different baby. But yeah, come on make it look a little more believable than that. Yeah. That baby was that maybe had a baby? Yeah, like Tesla so also what do you think about how now we're seeing with Trevor and his character developing with his boyfriend and he's he's doing this thing for Vic if I thought yes. Yes, I just I the it doesn't matter that it's a boy and a boy obviously it has nothing to do with it. But like whoa, you're letting your son significant other spend the night. Oh, yeah, Mike is that just would never have flown in my house and it wouldn't will never fly in my future house like they're so young. How old are they? Did she say 16 know if like no. No, he's at he's eating me not because he's producing like nobody. I think regardless he's a minor exactly right still in high school. Cool Mom. It's yeah. Yes, I've but that has nothing to do with moving the story forward but I was just like, oh, okay, and because it seemed like she didn't know she was like, oh he's spending the night and he was like, yeah. Well, no because I think she kept saying cool mom. So I think she was I took it as she was referring to herself was like, oh I'm letting my son Yeah, but the night right? I'm the cool Mom. Right and he's like, yeah, you're the cool mom which you know and and regardless of why or how she I think she also has had, you know, kind of not really a distance with the kids, but I think that she wants at all in points. Now she wants to basically have his family. She has all these people live in her house. Yeah are staying there. Yeah. So I feel like she wants that she especially now that Vic has gone her sense of family as you know, Some of that is broken now and so it's like okay what I have left. I want to make sure it's all good. Yeah. Absolutely. Excuse me. We also see that Margaret is talking to you know about moving to the east coast Helen helps out like nope. She's like I have I have things I want to do here like I'm getting used to it. Do you think that why do you think is the big what do you think is the biggest reason because obviously this whole Sasha thing is new right so you can see she's not staying because of that. But why do you think now she has as few Newfound resilience to be in La I for me? I think the Sasha thing does come into it a little bit but not because of him, but just because okay it seems like now she's finally start starting to feel a little happy. We haven't seen a truly. Happy Helen in a really long time either. She's in a great place with the kids. She has always been all about them. And now it seems like she's giving the reins up just a little bit and is making herself happy. So I feel like She's finally kind of just seeming happy for self. I think it's probably also difficult whether she felt some way about Vic are not to like leave where they were together. And I also think just going back to the east coast is like a reminder of all the very bad things to happen to her and it's almost like her giving up on this newfound Helen that she is because when you compare how she is and her version to Noah's and Noah's she's just a little for me anyway a little too like flirty giddy, but It's also how he was. Yeah hard to be. Yeah, right. I was like, why is she being so weird? This isn't Helen Parr. She's definitely more normal and it's just hard for Helen flirting with this man. Yeah, but so I think it's like going back as like going into this dungeon. Like now I have to go back to this house where my fathers died and all this stuff. It's just a reminder, but she doesn't want to do that stuff. Yeah, I alcohol that. Okay, how true because obviously this is Helens version, but I think you actually already spoke on it. You feel like Noah showing up to the house thinking that Sasha was there you felt like that. That was a true account. I think that happened I maybe it's I don't think he seemed he may not have been so crazed as right if you drive him, right but like I mean, I think that's all they're showing him that way and her version because he's so our she's like laughing at him. She's like, oh my God this dude, right? It's like they're trying to show. Okay. Maybe she is. Go past him and when he's coming back to her and now she's like, oh no. Whoo. I'm over it. Yeah, maybe anyway, which I think also lends itself to this whole movie thing because I think a lot of things are being re hatched. Oh, yeah in their life. Yeah, which is why I think is just so and you know, I'm trusting the writers and I'm trusting how they're pushing this forward because obviously I think they're going to come to a great resolution. Yeah, but it just seems how that all of this and maybe it's just trying to be cyclical, but also, I think it's a form of healing Looking for her and it really is I think because she never has had to face it in this way. I mean, I mean she lived through it which was facing it, but I'm kind of seeing it made into a movie and really right viewing it from that angle. I mean, I think there is therapy in that. Yeah, you know almost as therapeutic as the upside down yoga like I guess so when you obviously sausage Just you know in both versions. He's just on Iran are honor trying different ways to you know to holler basically and so basically she says come through. Yeah, what's up come over and so they have that intimate session where they're talking about rugs and furniture and everything and everybody that's in the house. And then of course, you know, she knows bright-eyed bushy-tailed in the morning mom's coffee and then you know, He comes out the bedroom like hey, you can can I possibly get some of that guy? I couldn't tell that's awesome. Yeah, that's him. That's what I like them. But yes, did Margaret know who he was I couldn't tell by her face if she was gobsmacked because it was the famous Sasha man, or if it was just because it was a dude I was it was okay. Okay, honey. Can you give me a call? Exactly? Ask her? Yeah. I was like what but I want to know if you all think what Noah says at the doorbell is true at all if you think that like he Could potentially be maybe I don't think he has fully but if you think he could potentially be using Helen a little bit to not to get at Noah but like to truly get to know the person that know it is. Yeah because that's I feel like that's his MO is it Mom, but then again when he gives those moments of talking about how his ex-fiancée Lily and that whole like there's moments of tenderness from him and realness and because you gotta throw that in a little bit, but that's all right. I take it as game. Yeah. I take it as a game to dude. He's got game these guys game like 1 million. The girl is like, oh you sleeping because when we all know that yeah like this is his Mo this is what he does. So whether it's a process to make something brilliant like this movie, it's all gasp. I'm really curious to see what does happen because I think I agree it could be a total rebound play and something is gonna he's gonna do something that's gonna ruin it all organized. Just Something's Gonna. I know. Yeah. Sorry about a prediction. No. No, I'm not. We're all he's terrible. All right, so he's gonna tear up when something is basically what I'm getting at. Yeah real quick. We see a snippet of Johnny again again another snippet right now this snippet. She's now at a bar in Montauk bartender be is really gloomy. She denies having kids then all of a sudden. Yeah, which is interesting. Then this bartender that she ends up sleeping with him, you know in a very violent way. Yes, everyone in chat is very confused by this asking I'm saying I'm still so confused. Someone even asked Josephine coffee. Could that be Ben's son that's actually possible could be crazy if it was but we all share in the sentiment. We're all very confused. Yeah, what was happening, but she's the flashback of her looking at the pictures of her mom. Yeah her on the tables to okay as they would travel to get more. She sees it again. And then she wants more aggressive. It's like it's very weird even her breaking into the house and then it being pristine. I thought that was weird too with pictures and stuff. Like you're not going to have a house that no one lives in well. No, she couldn't break. She couldn't get in because the electricity is out in Montauk after hours. Yeah, because of all the environments that no one there. That's what I'm saying. One thing but like saying but pictures are up she's looking at pictures. So why is maybe Nolan moves in there? It's not there. It just it just very weird. Yeah. It's very weird. How they're doing I like how they set it up initially in the first episode, but now it's like really and it's so short and we're not a lot of people have been saying in our comments on YouTube, but they're not fully connected to it as well. I'm not really either because they're not there. Yes it maybe it's just this because we're only getting that snippet which we obviously know we're going to see way more but like I'm not like, okay, you're Allison's daughter your coals daughter. I might your Joanie which we know that's their daughter, but I'm like, I need more about that. I don't just need to see the Like for sure this weird crap. Yeah. Okay. Well, we're going to get into it into the next episode. You said you had news and gossip real quick. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes real quick news and gossip. All right. So what's happening with Kohler? Clock Cartwright? We want to know Josh Jackson is playing Reese Witherspoon's husband in the adaptation of Celeste ings novel little fires everywhere. It's a miniseries that slated for release on Hulu next year and Also Stars Rosemarie DeWitt and Kerry Washington was like I gotta get who now and then just as a fun aside for all of our viewers out there. If you want to see our very own Sasha man do real life karaoke because he in fact has a band called This is not America. I would go on YouTube and look up his song. I'm not ready yet and just let me know what you think. But yeah, let me know you think. And his real name in life is Clays bang, which I just like his name. I think that's a cool name. Yeah, sounds very British. No. No, he's actually he's Danish. Oh, please bang is Danish. Yeah, interesting. Okay rock and roll. Well, there it is. Yeah. All right predictions real quick for AfterBuzz TV prediction with enhance what you got gosh. I'm going to change my no and Helen are going to end up back together and I'm going to say hell is going to end up going on her own way. Really? Yeah. Wow, I change next week. Okay, I think I'm feeling as though especially after we've had this discussion tonight. I'm feeling very much more certain that Sasha man is a total Revenge play on everything and rebound play and I think her Noah might have a rekindling really I really do feel that way. Did I not say that last week? I feel like I finally just I know you what yeah, you have I do feel this way. Yeah. Okay. I think we're going to see more with woman's character. Yeah. Show me please. Yeah, she won with Whitney's character and kind of development. Like you said getting into her povs. Yep. I do think that they're going to have to now give us more of Joanie. They're going to have to after that scene. They have to I know can't leave us like that and then like give us two more minutes next week. We will start with Joanie. Yeah, maybe really like throw us through. That's what I'm yeah, right, but that's my prediction. I like it. Right ladies gentlemen, that's been our show want to thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you. Everyone the live chat we are. Appreciate it man. It's going down. I've been your host Lynn gonzalvez, and you can find me everywhere at limb gonzalvez. Where you at? I'm Allison Dean. You can find me everywhere at the Allison Dean and I'm April. Listen hit y'all can find me everywhere at April wasn't hands easy. Absolutely. We will see y'all next week. Peace. Hey, I found her Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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Noah jealousy is affecting his relationship with Sasha, Helen’s feelings for Sasha are growing immensely, and more still to be revealed with Joanie’s storyline. Join hosts @aprilwhisenhant @thealisondean and @lemgonsalves as we dive deep into Season 5, Episode 3. The Affair After Show: Join our hosts on THE AFFAIR AFTER SHOW as they explore the emotional and psychological effects of two affairs on the Showtime series. Each week we recap, review and analyze in-depth as Noah and Alison impact the people in their lives - from husband to wife to all the way down to the kids. Plus we’ll have inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT THE AFFAIR: The Affair explores the emotional and psychological effects of an extramarital affair. The drama will be told separately from the male and female perspectives using the distinct memory biases to both misdirect and intrigue. "The Affair" explores the emotional/psychological effects of two affairs. Young diner waitress Alison and her husband, rancher Cole, are struggling -- personally and financially -- in the wake of tragedy. Noah, a settled teacher and would-be novelist, is summering at his in-laws' Hamptons estate with his wife, Helen, and four kids. When Noah meets Alison, they begin an affair. For her, he's a welcome escape; for him, she's a pretty distraction. But, the tryst eventually ends two marriages -- one that was already a bit shaky, the other that was on solid ground. 