Hey everyone, this is Shane from the cheap home grow podcast. This is a continuation of yesterday's podcast about learning how to grow cannabis indoors. Organically. If you haven't listened to episode one, please do so now. Thanks, please subscribe and enjoy the show. Okay, Edward. I think what other questions I'm looking at your questions Castle. So the next next question I had basically just going through the soil medium that I was going to use and again keeping it simple organic soil it go it kind of just having the nutrients that I need for the most part in the soil is going to use Firearms the ocean Forest blend and I read that that can be a little hot with the nutrients. Little bit intense for young plants. So it's going to do a 30 percent perlite mix on that and call it good and use that so, you know, hopefully that'll be good. I don't hopefully I won't run into any nutrient burn with that at all. I have some advice for you as far as I mean, you're in Michigan. Yep, there is a mix called Michigan made mix M3, and it's some of the best Soil on the planet Earth and it's pretty cheap and available locally to you. There's a guy I highly respect on Instagram goes by Mass medical strains there breeder and they made the strain star pupil which a bunch of their trains go by pupil at the end, but they have tested over 30 percent THC and they recommend using this soil because all they ever add is water and they've tried Compost teas, they tried microbes and all the companies that at all this stuff and they're like the best results have ever gotten are using just the soil and water. No, it makes perlite or anything into it. Nothing. Hi the bag fill it up and add water I'm doing and so I was like, I was jealous. Actually. I looked it up. I'm going to visit my soon-to-be fiance family and Arizona and we are going to pick up some of this oil just to try it ourselves because like When you see a testimony like that from a very trustworthy individual, well who's like look all I do is add water and I'm growing really bomb plants and it's organic and I looked into it. They, you know looked at recipes from studies over time and figure it out it grows basically any and everything this M3 soil you can grow, you know, tomatoes and fruit and whatever in there but it happens also grow really great cannabis, okay. Like that's really great. And I mean it eliminates, you know a step and it's still organic and support local businesses to so I'm gonna definitely use that sold. So to quote them I found the post and I'll send this to Shane it says anyways, I just buy a bag of Michigan mix M3 and Let er Rip no pH nothing just water from the sink. Our facility is filtered from chloramines chlorine fluoride and sediment with a lot of minerals kept in so I'm assuming like calcium and magnesium and stuff that comes through tap its filtered tap and pH is about nine, which that's really high. If your use of cannabis growing the soil buffers it just fine, but I get better results if I adjusted pH myself perhaps but I have no time for that at all. Why break up? What are y break what isn't fixed? I mean why fix it if it ain't broken? But yeah, this is Mass medical strains on Instagram. He has 40 point five thousand followers and Yeah, this dude's the real deal. I've smoked some of his flower and seeing a lot of his crosses and seen a lot of good Growers take his stuff and he's really representing for Mass Massachusetts. One of the bigger names coming out of that side. But yeah, if I had access more readily to that soil, I think I would definitely be at least trying to grow in it. All right. I'll give it up. I'll give you a spoon. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's Michigan made mix.com Google I'll be able to find it. But yeah, so all the followers will know and yeah this I like to support especially companies that produce good quality materials for people like us whether it's intended for us or not if we can benefit from it and help our friends benefit from it. That's what it's all about sharing that information and helping everyone have access. Oh, yeah. I'm actually yeah. I'm on their side now and it's yeah, it's M3. Made mix that cam so if anybody wants to go check them out. Yeah, you can call Swan you can call Bernie, you know, they're on they have their own. Yeah there. I mean, I'm I've I've never used it but it looks but it looks pretty cool though. For sure. Thanks Jen. I'm happy to have been able to give the suggestion and I heard Michigan and it just sort of run around my head the whole podcast and it just hit me like a train perfect. Yeah, so I will use that soil as far as water goes. I was just going to use as Moses purified water has to go around the grocery store and you know get gallon containers a purified water. You know, I don't know if that's necessary. I could probably use tap water just fine, but I'm just going to go with something that in this case. It might be beneficial for you use tap water with a simple a lot of He's like booze not booze Brew Boogie Brew compost tea company. They sell these little filters that you can stick on like your hose or underneath your sink, which will filter out like chlorine or chlorine mines, which are the main things that will actually cause lockouts and nutrient deficiencies in your soil, but allow you to get some of the naturally occurring positive. Yeah minerals in there and that seems to be what Mass medical is doing I Would use our oh in the case that you're using a synthetic base line or a even an organic line like nectar for the gods, which is it's a bottled nutrient quote unquote, but it's all organic. But if you're going to mix that with RO water that is going to add nutrients in there. But if you're just giving RO water to organic soil, there's nothing in that RO water. So it's really leaving it all up to the soil and I think sometimes it's beneficial to give like a Or to give any sort of like cal-mag. I'll like there's a lot of memes online people will say there's a yellow plant needs more cal-mag or any issue. They'll say needs more cow mag, because a lot of the time people just don't have enough calcium and magnesium in their feed and their plant gets sick or people think that's what's wrong because any number of issues are over-watering or under watering people say needs more cow Meg. So it's definitely good to have some of those natural Trace. Roles people will even by those and mix them into their soil ahead of the time and I'm sure that's part of what the Michigan made me X is is a lot of trace minerals. So here is probably a dumb question. But if you have one of those filters and you're using tap water, well that filter change the pH level it all of the water come out of the tap or no. It doesn't really touch that. I'm not afraid to say I do not know I gotta tell you something. I think it run a citizen science. Experiment on it and get back to us. That'd be cool to know because I I've never actually checked. I personally my line a lot of my stuff is organic and like you was talking about in that post y pH at if you don't have to I personally my whole line doesn't require me to pH ever my last two grows. I haven't paged a single time at any point and things have gone spectacularly. So I if your system requires that or if you're having issues That's usually a good time to check on the pH but pH is not something I think would be regularly recording like as you mentioned earlier. Is there anything I'd be kicking myself. If I didn't regularly report like par is not something I would regularly record. It's something you could check when you adjust your light to see. Okay. It's at 24 inches. Now. What's my par and see like are the plants growing? Well, did I get burn on the Leafs from it being too close? Did they get stretchy from being too far? What was the par when they started stretching? It's too low at that level. So those are things that you can record if you'd like. I know my first grow and my tent was like a new challenge for me. So I recorded a lot of stuff and then the second grow I was so much more comfortable. I really just recorded what I believe matters. Like when was it fed? How much was it fed? What the temperature and humidity are because I think those are things I like to have in retrospect looking back at aggro. My look at my yields and look at the Quality and see did anything go off track throughout and if so, where could I make improvements? Yeah, it makes sense. Maybe what I'll do is I'll while I've got my my tent set up and I'm kind of measuring the environment before I start I could just do a little pH measurement off the tap in to see where I'm at. And if it's you know, not something crazy high can just roll with a filter coming off the Yeah, well and even if it is crazy high if you're going into that M3 mix it seems like I hate to say organic soil is a very good natural buffer. And so it turns that 9 if you measure your runoff, it's probably going to be like a five or a six. It's just something organic soil is sort of at a place between Art and Science at this point. It's like magic a little bit. Even the most top soil experts. I've listed the hour-long podcast about compost and all the bacteria and fungi in the soil and I've read a lot of the teeming with microbes and teeming with bacteria books and even the top experts in the field will tell you like it's not an exact thing. They can't tell you like salt-based regiment would be able to tell you exactly how much calcium is in there exactly how much nitrogen's in there with a living soil things are changing constantly the bacteria are eating stuffs getting up taken steps. Broken down becoming more available to be released to the plant and it's constantly changing. So soil has a hold whole different sort of ball game. It's very fascinating to me. It's kind of its kind of nice. It's sort of an Ode to not overthinking it too. I mean if it's if it's so variable and it's still working. Yeah, that's maybe the nature nature who's feeding the Redwoods, right? That's what they all say. Who's going up and feed. In Bottle nutrients to the Redwoods. No one nature is taking care of itself. It's letting that it's the ultimate example of no till the leaves are falling off its getting broken down by the bacteria on the fourth floor and I've been up to Northern California and been through the Redwoods and they're big giant beautiful trees and doesn't need any salt based regiment. Yes, you know some if you guys want to know more about soil. I did a I did a podcast with medically fit On YouTube and he knows I mean this guy he is pretty much a soil Pro. So, you know, you can go on YouTube and check them out. I did a podcast with them. It came out last week. I believe it was last week. It was what's it? I mean, I'm II know I'm plugging my own stuff here, but I love it. Hey, right. Hey, man, I listen to your show pretty religiously. I'll say I'm probably one of your biggest fans. I love even when I'm not on especially when when I'm not on I can't hear my own voice too much. Yeah. Well, it's funny because when I started to do this, I couldn't hear my own voice either. I didn't listen to any of my shows which in retrospect was kind of a stupid thing to a do because some like some of my earlier show like really really like first and second. I mean, which is now about a year ago. I mean they were almost next to impossible to a here but I mean, you know, I mean that was when I was kind of messing around, I mean not that I'm not part of the process right exactly. Start somewhere, you know, right right. Yeah. So yeah. So anybody that is listening check out my podcast last week with Med fit on why nutrient density is important and excuse me. I'm sorry that that's not it. That's why input well inputs you choose are important. Well, no. Well, I did that that one that was that was released four days ago. That was that was Michael ebonheart from docks HUD from From from Docks but High bricks okay on on Instagram and he actually reached out to me again and he wants to be on the show. So Michael if you are listening in I would love to have you back on but the show that I was referring to from medically fit that that show is titled. Why should you care why you should care about amendments you put in your soil and that's then that is show number 49. The cheap Homeworld podcast. So if you guys want to know more about soil and really Med fit listen to that podcast and go to YouTube and type in medically fit and tell them that Shane from cheap home grow sent you there like a pro at plug-in now and you're in the podcast game, you're like that sounded like a clip like you hit a soundbar something. That was beautiful. Well, you know, I'm a doing so much of these lately man. It's just You know, it's kind of I guess in a sense. It's kind of becoming second nature if you will and and and really Jack I mean the effect that I I know you right and we kind of you know, we have a good we have a pretty good rapport and I've talking to Ed the past couple days. So, you know, it's just I don't know it's just becoming a lot more a lot more natural for me. So, you know, I guess that's it. That's one good thing about talking into a computer, you know on the on the weekends. So yeah, but but anyway guys, let's get back. Let's get back on task right back back on test. Let's go back into the questions. So it was a great soil discussion and pH with the water. And the next thing I was looking at doing is when the plant starts to grow. Doing low stress training and I you know researched a bit into this and basically I'm not gonna overthink this either. My plan is just to start tying down the Plant pretty much as soon as I can making sure, you know that the top leaves aren't any higher than the rest of them and I've seen some interesting tutorials most men straining where they'll tie the main stock down and kind of Let It Go in a horizontal spiral as the plant gets bigger. I don't even know that I had to put that much thought into it. Maybe I should but I'm just going to kind of bring it down as I see it and just kind of trying to keep it even so that's my plan there. I don't know if if that's good enough if any recommendations there, but I don't feel too intimidated by by that aspect of it. As far as training goes with Autos. It's a philosophy thing. I would say listening to Shane's previous podcast with Green Goddess supplies Eric. I think he said he doesn't believe in topping mottos and All Because he believes that there's a strong connection to the apical meristem the main Chute and if you mess with that you're going to mess with like the flavor and vigorousness and a whole bunch of other stuff. So I like that you're sort of on the low stress string plan. Of not even considering the topping, but I do know that people out there a lot of people do at least a single top and then they do luscious training from that point what year considering of like kind of tying down the top and then letting the rest of it growing like a horizontal spiral is a possibility to any way that you can fix the side branches and even top Branch to the pot or like the wall or whatever you can take strings or garden tie. There's a million. Different things yarn, whatever you have available, as long as it's not like going to dig in and damage the plant or get a bunch of stuff all over the plant anything convenient that you can tie it down. I personally use like the twisty tie that you'd see on like a bag of bread or something. It comes in a giant spool with a cutter on it really convenient that you just press down and it Clips the size that you need and then I'll use whatever I can like a push pin and put End of the side of the fabric pot and tie the twisty tie to the push pin and then tie the other end to the branch and bend it into the position. Okay? Yeah, I'm not going to get crazy and build any sort of grid around the plants for a canopy or anything. Yeah. It was Autos. I think a lot of the people that put like a trellis netting or they call it a screen a screen of green or scrog are all terms that people commonly throw out there with that style of growing a lot of times they just Just have it grow straight through it and they don't end up using the trellis at all because Autos have a tendency to want to just grow straight up and have a big main stock huge top bud and then a few smaller side buds. So I mean, I've seen them get as tall as five or six feet in height, but it just depends on the people's grow environment and the lights they're growing under in the strain that they're growing some call themselves Auto xl's and those will get to those higher Heights, but typical Autos will only Three maybe four feet in height Max. Yeah, this is basically to try and keep no part of that of the plant from getting closer to the light than the rest of it, you know, and that's kind of that's it. So yeah. I also haven't seen a lot of like high-stress training or super cropping used with autos, and I wasn't sure why but maybe it just doesn't have a great effect. I know I Shane you had some folks in your podcast before that. We're all about cropping autos and it's going for it and see what happens yet heard. I thought there was one woman that you've had a couple times use. Yeah kind of scientist, and she I thought I heard her saying she was a cheater. Does it already was thinking about just kind of going for it soon, right? Well that That is that is Jenny. Aka Miss snooty grows on Instagram. Right? She let me go she came on actually I just did I just really sit on the show with her few weeks ago. But yeah now she talked about shriek. Let me see if I can I should get it here. She talked about strategic defoliation. Yeah, she talked about learn how to learn how to stress strain and deflate your cannabis plants, which was released a few months ago. Yeah, she talked about that. I believe during that podcast and I well this is one thing that I've you know learned now, I believed she was talking about or she was referring to photo periods. Okay. I don't believe although I can ask her. I don't believe she was referring to automatics. If you want to see an example of an auto grower who has successfully topped and mainlined go to Instagram at Green 75 underscore know it's kind of a weird name. There's a another green 75 out there who's not him. He's got 20 points six thousand followers at the time were recording this and currently has five Auto flowers in their little looks like a 4x4 set up, but they're one of the better Auto flower Growers. I've found on Instagram and They've really done a good job in proving to me that you can top and train them and at least get like a great yield and good-looking plant. I don't know how the quality of the smoke is. I have not smoked their flower what that is wrong. What's wrong? They're handle was it green? 75 underscore. Just nothing after that. It's says just another cannabis grower. Feel free to share pics. Just tag me in them, please YouTube videos as well with At lucky acres and yeah, so this green 75, I've been following them for a long time when I got my tent. I actually thought about growing flowers because Blue Dream Matic by fast buds is one. I'm a big blue dream fan. I was the first train I grew when I got back into growing. I took a little Hiatus and started growing a lot smaller scale and when I got back into it my tents only five feet high by three and a half feet wide. Buy one and a half feet deep. So with the tiny space I thought about growing Autos but ended up going with what I was more familiar with and just aggressively training and doing a short veg period to make it work and we're let's get back to some of your questions. We're talking. I saw three total. Do you suggest wet shrimp or some set number six is Will Edgar pick up from there? Because we talked about training a little bit and I gave out some people that they could go follow if they want to see Plant training on an odd. Oh sure and then basically kind of grow the plant to harvest and I was planning on doing a minor wet trim and flush three to four days before Harvest but to be honest, I'm not sure I don't you know, I just in research. It's just something that a lot of folks do but I don't know why I would be doing it to help truth. So that was a question. And I had is is flashing really necessary and then the the wet trim before for the trim before the Harvest is that because that needed so I will say flushing I would say is absolutely necessary. There's a lot of chlorophyll in the leaves that is going to make the smoke a little bit harsher. So when you flush a literally see the color fading out of the plant and the leaves on the fans will either turn yellow Whoa, some Fade to Black Shades different fall colors, like Reds and oranges, but during that process you're releasing things like anthocyanins and and things that would stay in the plant that are actually healthy if you were to juice it and eat it, but we most people are using it for the psychoactive effects or the medical effects of the CBD or the THC and flushing is going to reduce the amount of nutrients that have been up taken in. Do the plant. This is what I've been told. I don't know a lot of people argue the science of this but the theory is that by giving pure water only and no nutrients. And by the way, that's what you're going to be doing is you're an organic soil, but the final flushes more of your almost over watering on purpose. You're like literally flooding the medium and then letting it dry completely out flooding it and then letting it dry completely out and by doing that a lot of people believe you force the plant to dump any of the remaining nutrients that it's holding onto that were used like nitrogen helps it grow tall and veg, but late in flower, you're going to be using more of the PK in the traditional NPK format of potassium and phosphorus. So those other elements that are in the plant that are helping it Bud need to be sort of flushed out so we can just enjoy the resin the THC or the CBD that's on the resinous trichome. And not be smoking nutrients and minerals and water which is in the plant. So actually most people suggest much longer than three day flush. If if you're running like a synthetic thing people do two weeks of flushing with just water and not adding any nutrients with Organic. I mean since your plan is to just be feeding water just like I said, probably heavier waters for that last 3-4 feeds those last like week. To two weeks to help get any of the stuff that's on and around the roots sort of Flushed off of it cleaned off and help the plant dump any remaining nutrients that it's built up throughout the grow. Okay, and then for a flush just the details with the exactly what that looks like. So, you know, basically there be a bass and a pan to catch her underneath and you just be completely saturated the soil until this is dripping out. Yes, and you want to do like 10 20 percent runoff during the flush. Shhhh, so I actually when I'm watering traditionally I always have either a pan or like I said, let it rip to the bottom of the 10th. Right and I water to about 5 to 10 percent runoff or where I just see it begin to come out the bottom of the pot and people newer Growers will mistake this if they water quickly and like aggressively sometimes the water will drip out of the bottom of the pot almost right away and your plants not ready. You need to fully saturate the medium. So if you see it trickling out a little bit at the start switch from one plant to another plant. Go back and forth and really slowly and evenly water as much as you can until you just barely see water evenly trickling out of the bottom of the pot and I think it's good to mentally count to like 10 seconds after you've completely soaked the top and let it kind of sink down and if you don't see any drips, then it's a good place to then reapply some more water if your hand watering. Okay, and then once you do that during a flush period and you get like 20 percent runoff then your Then you're good. And then you just okay and you're going to suck that out of there because it's going to make it the humidity in the room will be so much higher with say you're in a five gallon pot to get 20% run off your and be watering a lot of water and that water is going to be in the tray and that water in the tray is going to evaporate up into the room. And then the room is more humid. And in late flower, especially at the very end. You want it to be dry. So like that last week your first first flush the first time you do it, you're gonna want to take like a shop vac or I used to use like a siphon pump that I bought on Amazon pretty cheaply that you could just pump the water out into a different container and remove it from the tent so that it's not making it super like humidity high cuz that'll prevent the buds from being dense. It'll make them a lot more Airy and loose like a more tropical but would be and I think a lot more people prefer that more dense Harder by that you can pop in your grinder and it grinds up nice and heavy and you get a lot out of it. All right. I know how to flush now. That's as far as harvest I guess but the couple of the remaining questions I have are just around when to actually cut the plant down and basically looking at the pistols first like once I kind of see those change colors, I start paying attention to the cry trichomes. Yeah, that's That's a traditional approach. I actually suggest one of the pieces of equipment everyone should buy is either there's microscope so you can hook up to your phone that go up to like a thousand X Zoom, but I actually use just a manual. It's like a Jeweler's loupe, but extended its a hundred X Zoom microscope and it is perfect. It's called a trichome stick by Honor the plant or honor cannabis. It's a brand but on Amazon they make ones that are not cannabis branded for like five bucks less, but it's just a hundred eggs. Ooh. Umm, you can even get like 30 to 40 or 60 x Zoom to see the trichomes but I prefer a hundred so you can really see the head very clearly. I personally Harvest when I'm at like 90 percent cloudy trichomes. So you'll see when you're growing early stages their Crystal Clear like glass and you can see straight through them. They have almost no smokiness or like that effect to it. That's like a gray almost plastic look versus a clear glass or like ice. Look to it. Once it starts to get cloudy. It depends breeders will tell you it's going to be ready in 50 days or 60 days from when you sprout it. It might take a hundred days. I hate to say it. A lot of Auto flower breeders will just blatantly put out false week times because maybe they were able to get it to do that one time and express a really early finish. But even like the best Growers, I've seen like a chef Anna and like the screen 75 and other respected out of flower Growers. I think because it is from seed you're going to have a little bit slightly different fee know every time so even if you're growing, you know, false teeth or something by Mephisto and you have two seeds of that same strain you grow them side-by-side one might be four feet tall and it might be three feet tall and one might grow with like a ton of side Buds and one micro with just a huge main bud with only a few tiny little side buds. So that's one of those things where people will say that sort of a downfall of autos because you can't clone it. Going to have genetically identical copies every single time but the better breeders are getting more and more consistent at trying to have them be similar in effect and growth structure. Well and then so will you said you wait till about 90% cloudy if I'm looking for that 10% not are they hiding anywhere anywhere? I should be paying extra Dazzle ear and beginning to show Amber so that I say 90 because I look for or and it's just rough but like 90 is a good percentage for me to say it's almost all cloudy when I look at it. It's like the whole section if I see it out of the hundred trichomes in the little millimeter. That's under my Hundred X, you know about 90% of them are plasticy looking Almost White some of them are starting to get yellow or even Amber the I see it's almost like a pissy yellow before it begins to get Amber and that's where I really want to pull it before. I don't like the sedative effects and a lot of my strains because I'm a daytime user for the most of the part and if you look into the effects of the trichomes, if you harvest earlier on when it's still clear, the user is going to have a more in their head effect, which can actually be negative and cause paranoia and a lot of strains even if it's not like a heady strain. You're going to feel it more anxiety provoking and it's just different levels of the cannabinoids and their balance and when the the Trichomes are completely cloudy. I think it expresses itself. Just right. So if it's an Indica, it's going to hit you in the body or if it's like supposed to make you relax is going to make you feel relaxed. If it's supposed to make you feel uplifted. It'll make you feel uplifted. So that in the middle milky trichome area is when you want to pull in my opinion for most Reigns because if you let it go Amber it will get more sedative and more relaxing and I guess if that's what you're aiming for you can do that on purpose and let it run a little longer some people tend to That because it'll feel a little bit more potent and they know that they didn't pick it early. It's picking early is really going to hurt your yields. So that's one thing you're going to want to avoid as you really got two distinct you ate between your milky trichomes and you really want to look at the buds the actual bracket and let the swollen part of the but the flower not the fan leaves. If you look at the fan leaves the trichome colors will be different way sooner. So it might look like it's ready at day 40 if you're looking at a family because It's the trichomes might be milky and Amber because it might have been bumped by your hand as you're moving stuff around that will actually cause some early development for Amber trichomes. If you ever see like why is that one red trichome on there? It's probably because it got bumped into or not buy something. But yeah, the other thing is it's sort of like bacon cooking in a pan. When you stop cooking bacon and you throw it on a plate the bacon keeps cooking for like a minute and a half two minutes till so you want to pull it a little bit before it's completely done or else Is going to like overcook so that's why I go for the 90 percent milky because when I pull it dry it and hear it by the time that curing process is done that 90% has become 95 to 99% milky and then there's just a little bit of like yellow. So it's almost a hundred percent milky trichomes, which is really what I'm aiming for. Okay. Flowering phase should it, you know, should I be trimming some of the families at all? It doesn't matter that much some would argue that that's your biggest job as a gardener as far as like maintaining a plant then as people like Eric Green Goddess who think that it negatively impacts as yields by it's called defoliating in cannabis people generally refer to that as deflating. I believe you should deflate the bottom 1/3 of the plant no, Because it's going to get so little light that those smaller lower buds are never going to produce the type of quality in cannabinoids and visual appearance that anyone's going to want. So a lot of people do what's called lollipop it and they strip anything from a certain part of the plant down so it can use its energy from the light and from the nutrients in the soil to expend it in the place that you want it most which is the top buds. Could aggressive low-stress training compensate for not doing that kind of trimming. I'm if you group that's the idea essentially as you want to move the leaves that are blocking light to the lowers by doing that low-stress training, which is essentially you're going to bend the top stuff out of the way. So the lower stuff can get right down to it. And that's why a lot of people love trellis nets for like Photo periods or because the way that you can bend them because they don't mind being taught. You can top them once and just tuck them underneath the screen and light can get all the way down to the middle of the plant and you can get all sorts of crazy side shoots and crazy large yields off of even just one plant and a lot of people like to go for that because they have plant counts. They can only grow x amount of plants per their State's regulations or just for this year impressiveness of like saying hey, I grew over a pound on a plant indoors that's challenging out of it. Yeah, so so stress training, I would say training is where you see the most skill involved as a grower because otherwise like nature is doing work you water it when it's needs the water you give it light when it says it's supposed to have it like you're really just tending to the plant a lot of people think of it as like there are these Master Growers out there and they do some crazy things but really it's about sourcing the right equipment both the lights the tents the fans and getting the right nutrients material whether In a bottle or in a soil and just making sure you're paying attention. So on the plant has any issues you can respond to it and fix it before it becomes detrimental. You're just trying to ease it through its process all the way to the end and make sure that those have any major catastrophes and once you get good enough at it, you can learn about dialing in all the little Perfection stuff cool. All right. Yeah, and then basically once I'm ready D to harvest as is planning on cutting the plants down and hanging upside down in the same tent because it's kind of a Stila controlled environment so I can keep tabs in the humidity and have it right level and basically, I don't know exactly how long to hang it for I that this that part of the gross so far out. I haven't dove into the research on that as much I can tell you the perfect. It's 100% pretty much agreed across across the board is Most people would say if you want the best quality you don't wet trim at all. So you leave all the families on their you let them curl around about you chop the entire plant and then hang it for 14 days at 60% humidity 60 degrees as close as that you can get to as possible and it's 10 to 14 days because at about 10 days you go in and you start to bend the stems and if they snap their ready because the humidity Antigen the plant is about 10% or less. But if they're like bending still or if you break it and it's like stringing off and not cracking completely. Like if you go to break a live plant like a tree you try and break its tree branch. It's not going to want to break because it's green and healthy and alive, but if you see a dead branch on the ground you snap it in half it pops like no problem. So you want to get it a little bit before it's that crispy bone dry like snaps no problem, but right when it starts to get a clean break Usually when people will start their dry tram and go to the jars or I personally prefer brown paper bag for 24 to 48 hours because it lets some of the humidity out of the inside of the buds to the leaves that may have overly dried and it evens out before you can trim Okay cool. So to read to shorten that up 10 to 14 days at 60% humidity and 60 degrees and then after that 24 Hours in a sealed brown paper bag and from there, you can trim all the fan leaves off and put it into a glass jar and you want to open those lids for the first week or so and roll the buds around so that the humidity doesn't cause mold inside. Okay, and I was going to do use like those cigar humidor humidity strips Jarrett. Do you think those are hi I'm a big huge fan of The Integra boost I'm not a fan of the Boveda and I'm not paid by either of them. But in my experience, I worked at a medical dispensary for a few years. I worked at a medical delivery service for a few years and at both those places, they used Boveda and I had the task of smelling the Cannabis and writing up the description for the cannabis for the users and I always got it in the bag directly from The Growers and the Breeders and I got to smell it. See what it smelled like taste it sample it and really understand what it looked and smelled like and then they would put it into the jars with the Boveda packs which are a salt-based semi-porous package. So that actually is pulling its a to a humidifier. It sets the dryer to about 62 percent RH which is perfect. That's where you want it but Boveda because it's the salt it changes the flavor and it actually takes away the terpenes it starts to smell like and it is only happen. In about a hundred jars 75 of them were fine, but 25 of them had a really chemically nasty almost you could smell the but we gotta pack on the weed and that just turned me off like so badly and I told these guys you guys got to do something like we need something different something different. So we needed to stay at that perfect percentage. You can use like a fresh cannabis leaf 3 hydrate. Dry. Bud. Some people used to try and say orange peels, but those actually bacteria or like grape cut in half but cannabis leaf is a good Option if you have it, but for those who don't Integra booster packs, it's a vegetable glycerin. It's food-safe ink and they have this little card that it comes with that has a pink dot and when that pink dot on the cardboard returns blue your package is no longer keeping it at 62% humidity. So, you know exactly when to replace it and this brand I have not noticed any smell on I've tried it with and without pecs with my own product and with People's product it freshens up people that didn't cure up there bud properly like a bios to get it from somebody who grew their own. I always throw it into a jar with an integral pack just to see how much better and fresher. I can get it. Okay, that's cool. That's really great. And that that pretty much that goes through my pool plan. We went through all my equipment and kind of that the hand that I have been Bayesian form. So I really appreciate that. That can I rattle off real quick. Just the changes that I'm making or thinking of making just based off this conversation. Yeah, that's really not. Absolutely. Yeah. I made notes here. I'm switching from the are passed out the clock paths. Okay. I'm going to get risers make sure I get risers for the for the pots to keep them off the floor to control for temperature. I'm going to take a look at the LEDs and potentially Maybe. With something with it, you know like a cop style a little bit better. We'll see about that and then they'll be discouraged. If you do need the Chinese LED just to say that because if you start off there it's a place to start it will gain you into it and they do work. Like I said, but continue on sorry, I'd rather do it once right. So I'll take a closer look at that and then the water plus the hydrogen peroxide on the seed. I'm going to look into that. I'm going to try that. I know I am I'm going to skip the Solo Cup and probably transplant plug right into the pot and then I'm going to swap out the humidity controls in the jar from the Vita to the Integra boost pack. So just based off this there's been some some tweaks and changes and things that I'm gonna be looking at. So as a great this is really fun and I just was checking out the last thing because I remember I read this earlier when I was looking over the questions. To sort of prepare for the podcast you had said finally you'd like to hear if there was sort of any general Philosophy from a grower to see maybe about the approach of The Craft and the mindset and one of the things I've really learned a lot from the best Growers. I've come across here in California and even being back in Ohio. There's some dudes that are Wizards with like deep water culture Hydroponic and there's a lot of different styles of doing it, but one thing I've seen that Sort of a good general rule is a lot of the time less is more. So with water with nutrients with you know, even light less less can be more because a lot of people tend to overdo things, especially when they're new they want to think. Oh, well, I need to water my plant every day. And then if they start to see like it doesn't look completely soaked. I'm going to water it again and they start watering like two three times a day and it becomes a big product. They're over-watering and just over doing things in general even like training some people over stress their plant by taking too much Leaf off at one time or bending it too hard. So go slow, you know, don't do anything too crazy or out there on your first run. It's okay to keep it pretty simple, especially with Autos. I mean, you can literally set them in forget them. They will grow straight up and be a fairly decent harvested plant just sat in its pot and watered so Always good to consider, you know, alright. Alright. Alright guys now now this is a question or I guess a statement that I always like to make at the end of the podcast and I will be asking both you Jack and you as well Ed, are there any other any final statements that you guys would like to make or are there any questions that I or Edward should be asking? Edward you can go ahead and start. Yeah. Yeah. So um, no, I feel I just feel you know, pretty pretty grateful to have the opportunity to talk and learn. I love learning. I love experimenting and trying new things. So I'm just I'm excited to to give a first grow a try and see where that leads. So just I'm just excited to get going and learn. All right, and how are you? A jack so as far as growing is concerned I will say this because you are not a cannabis user yourself. I don't know if you do plan to intend on using it at any point in your growing process. If it ever makes you curious or not, but having not experienced it really try and listen to your friends or I would call them patients because I personally believe all cannabis use is medical whether they're using it to get high and have fun that to me is Like stress relief but there also is like medical benefits of anti-inflammation all that things. Anyway, I say all that to say listen very closely to the opinions of your quote like Stoner friends because not smoking it you won't have the same respect for the effects of the plant and you may want to just grow the one that grows the best you're like. Oh man that won by my fist Jose yielded so much. It looked pretty it smelled good to me. Like I liked how it grew but everyone's like, yeah, but that It doesn't smoke great. It's like too racy or whatever or to sedative or whatever. It is. The big ultimate end all say all foremost cannabis users is the effect. So whether it's desirable or undesirable has almost nothing to do with the growth pattern sometimes so some stuff that grows tall and is difficult is really enjoyable smoke so Just remember sometimes that even though it's not the easiest to grow or the best growing or best-looking bets it might have one of the best effects and as somebody who's not using it that's a huge part of what people are looking for in cannabis. That's great advice. I've already Enlisted the help of several phone calls to me. I want their feedback and have no shortage of volunteers and I was gonna say I'm sure willing willing testers and volunteer. Really into that and I can't wait to do it. So great man. Well, hey good on you for trying to help your friends out and and to do what Shane and I have always advocated which is to do it yourself and give yourself a clean source and with that M3 mix. I think you're on the right Avenue and you and your friends will have access to clean awesome cannabis very soon. Cool. Thanks. It was great talking with you guys. I think what do you think Shane said about it? We're going to wrap up. Yeah, man. Yeah, that's about it. This is going on. This is going quite for quite some time. And listen guys. I appreciate both you guys coming on the show and you know, I hope to I hope to talk to you guys again soon. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah and Jack I really appreciate it. This has been just awesome. So I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. It's just I think it's so cool and no problem and if you guys are Is what I'm up to you can always find me at Jack Greene stock on Instagram all one word, Jack Green stalk s ta LK and jacket in my intro. I will definitely shout that out for you know, I know I'm just like I watched too many YouTube videos and you gotta get them at the beginning and the end because people like me who actually listen to the end and we're like picking her nose and we go and smoke a bowl and we're like shit. I didn't even follow that guy but now I hit him with it at the end boom follow at Jack Greene stock and going to go and check out like them. You actually does grow some pretty good looking but I might be able to listen to this guy. Yeah good habits. And all right, so I'm going to smoke a bowl. Have a great rest of your evening peace and love to the community. Thank you all talking with me this evening. All right. Peace. Take it easy. Hey everybody. This is Shane from the cheap homegirl podcast and let me know if If you enjoyed this new format, you can reach out to me on social media and on my website at cheap home grow.com. Thanks for listening to my podcast with Jack and Edward. You can follow Jack on Instagram at Jack Green stalk. Again, that is Jack Green stalk. I hope you've enjoyed this episode and please remember to press the Subscribe button. You can visit cheap homegrown. Grow.com forward backslash episode 58 to get show highlights and you can also get Edwards first year grow plan PDF, that will be a downloadable file. So, please go ahead and download that file. And also, please remember to watch my live YouTube show every Sunday night at 7 p.m. Eastern time. You can visit cheap homegrown Dot-com forward backslash YouTube to subscribe. Thanks everybody. I'll see you next week. I am reaching out to you to ask you really one question and I want to know how am I doing as a podcaster? What topics do you want me to cover? Is there anything specific please reach out to me? Please? Get back to me. 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Today podcast was one that I’m particularly proud of because the person that was asking most of the questions during the podcast is an individual that’s seeking to learn how to grow cannabis not necessarily for himself but for his family members. During this podcast, I’ll introduce you to Edward, who’s the individual that was asking most of the growing questions and Jack from (@jackgreenstalk). I noticed Edward shared one of my podcast on Reddit and I reached out to him to say thank you. We got to talking, and Edward had some questions about growing. I could have answered his questions, but I felt Jack was best suited to answer his beginning growing questions. Edward provided the Cheap Home Grow Nation was a downloaded PDF file you can download on the website (URL below). If your a beginner or even experienced cannabis grower and would like to come on the CHG podcast, please reach out to me and send me a DM. Let me know what you think about the podcast in the comments below. 