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Now let them you know, new rows are reminds me of steps a bra in the booth Justin. Tragic character look wiser. Yeah, all the other stuff is all the way around. Oh wow. No, she doesn't have half the personality that step has I like that you can say yeah, but stuff is in the booth. So everyone at home who is tuning in. We will read your life comments as she is there. And of course, my name is Toronto will be hosting the panel alongside the one and only Jim Jim Alexander is in the building. And of course George is here. Here with us as well. That's George Khoury Toronto. I love that last names because Liz used to last name as she walked out on Max haven't talked about that and much much more as we talk about the flashbacks prompt Michael and Alex Max and Liz Isabella Rosa roses murder, which we kind of got a glimpse at or did we the Blackout's who you are special segment where we pick a scene and a character in the show and let it relate to us. And of course we do have some ultimate predictions for next. So and are we getting a next season let's talk about all of these things. Let's jump right into it starting with George. What were your overall thoughts on this episode My overall thoughts are that I love this episode because I felt it went full circle. I understood everything that was happening in front of me all the time because I got the backstory you got the back story is so you like the flashback? Yes, like the flashbacks Jim good recovery from the last show. I wasn't a fan of the last one, but this one gave us Trip down memory lane, and we kind of saw all these answers that we were getting clues for for the last four or five weeks or did we I actually have a lot more questions this week than I have answers and I tell you a couple of them overall thoughts great episode definitely. Possibly the best of that of the season it's a contender create intriguing. Yeah, it created Created empathy in the characters for us knowing the backstory was fun. I enjoyed seeing them and they did a really good job of making them look super young. Yeah, they did a really good job putting this ball cap on Max that's maybe extra makeup and things which is the dress. That was really good. I will say this questions that I have do they look like aliens in a normal form and now Now they're mimicking humans or is this an entire race of human shaped aliens? I think they're just humans who have these super powers as we saw them as children. They look like perfectly normal kids and they are reasoning they're finding out what their power so you do not think there are aliens from outer space. I do believe that but I just think that they're more similar to humans than we give them credit for what gives them credit for. Did you see them bleed? Did you see their blood? What color is it? Is it all human? Like? I don't know. I think there might be Something underneath that skin that skin that might be some kind of liquid nitrogen type of blood that they have I think they're the kids just the outer appearance that makes it look human color of the handprint is a classic Jim saying maybe there's some sort of plasma running through. Yeah. I'm like a matching plasma go. I'm surprised they look human. Why would they look human they are aliens. Why would we have adapted our shape? Because of the world we live in is their world that similar that they also look like us. Or are they just humans and this is an experiment. There's much more to the alien backstory that were finding out and we're finding it out through Isabel and also the alien shape keeps appearing the the circles with the with the little three Mark in the middle. So it on Michael at some we saw we saw handprints we've seen it on people's hands. We've seen it being drawn on paper. I mean this alien symbol stands for something. So when I say I have more questions now I actually have Chance why didn't max actually kiss Liz like that. There's a question as I understand. Oh, I got the answer to that. You got 14 openings make a move Max let's but then when he did make a move was a little late and then we see Michael and Alex and that move didn't work out and then it did. You know, this is this how the show keeps going back around. Let's start off with the flashbacks liked it hated it loved it. No, like or hate involved. I love the flashbacks. First of all, I thought that the casting it was phenomenal and that's the case against right kiss look like they did. Yeah, they look like their respective characters and I loved seeing the high school wardrobe team. I thought the Wardrobe team at Roswell New Mexico. They did an outstanding job dressing him. I thought it was great the brighter colors bring out the youthfulness. We saw the bangs and Isabel. So I really thought that it connected well to the viewer. You mean like when they were teenagers or in 2004, whatever 2004-2008 it flashback in. Scenes. Yeah, and I thought it was done Tastefully and each time that they provided the flashback gym where your fan. Yeah. It was cool. I mean the kids the 2004 look was I mean they casted some especially Michael kid. He was a dad. I really thought the Isabel was even better because he had what sholde she had that all she has she looked older though. She looked older than those two other boys. Maybe it was just her maturity possibly and then the teenagers. Yeah. I mean he just put a hat on Max and and Isabelle got a little red the bank's the bank's. Yeah, but he made a difference enough to believe them as teenagers as well. They did look 10 years younger - Lee I thought they were 10 years younger one part, which I was having confusion with this Y is Rosa hanging out in high school so much and she's 19 years. She had held back. She had to have been held back with all her issues. I don't think she was still in high school. I think she was just hanging out at the high school because even the girls who were in the car with her. We're high school girls. Yeah, but when you have I Because her sister was in the high school and that was the Connecting Point. She was close to her sister. That's how you catch a charge short. That's how you catch a charge. I don't think she was partaking in any of that swell. How old was Isabel? I've 17 probably because Max was 17. So I'm guessing they're all the same. So we're looking at it in a situation. I really like the flashbacks. I thought they were done extremely. Well awesome. Yeah, I like the concept of them as kids and then finding out about their powers something. That was intriguing was the fact that Michael had way more control over his powers as a kid, then he does what I feel like as an adult. Hmm. He was powerful enough to bury the guy that Max killed basically with his power and he was the one who basically went through the puberty last he went through the power exchange the last and wasn't aware of it until that moment kills the kills the transient that seems to be attacking or disturbing Isabel's P or whatever she was doing and then and that's Point you made that Michael seemed to be in control because and they were kind of recapping their powers. So Isabel said she control they said Isabel controls thoughts. Michael says, I moved things and Max was kind of like, I don't know I just rage and electricity and stuff happens something something. So we saw actually during that conflict when Max comes in he actually would surprise me. He attacked as a human would attack. Do you guys think they're suppressing their powers like someone like Michael is suppressing his powers and I'm forgetting about him. He's not using it to his father. Shellac and every time I watch one of these superpower shows, I always think that if it was me, I would I don't care what my power is. I'm going to use it to the fullest extent of my ability. I'm not going to Stephen I are on the gifted panel and we watch these superheroes basically the mutants not using their power to their fullest potential at all, and we're getting upset and I'm furious because I'm like, even if my name if I was chatting man, you would not like I would be the 10th like everyone with I was In an environment where your safety would be compromised you live in a desert torch, you can go in the middle of desert and practice your power 10 hours a day practice of power. But we saw what happened Isabel in the desert. There's still people roaming there. They had to be low-key sure but they were in inhabited Parts a desert goes for else just go down the road. I'm just saying they had to have practice to be able to use their powers. In fact, we see in a flashback or Isabel's like I'll change the teacher his mind who didn't want to let me go to prom I'll change her mind. So she's practiced it before they should have they should have used their powers from earlier age to intimidate the town then they wouldn't feel as outcasts and they wouldn't they feel okay Machiavelli that they should have used their powers to take over the world what I'm saying is this isn't General Zod here. Okay what I was saying like a cougar so I was saying is that we should just be very aware of their powers and who they are. I feel like they need to investigate them. Self's more that's why they have such a hard time with who they are now because they didn't investigate they're like, what are we some murderous aliens that came here just to kill and they forget about everything the whole is no one questioned Isabel incident. What happened with the Rosa thing. They just let let it slide and let it move on without ever just it they let them hunt Honda them basically in your dreams as Max talk about him having these dreams constantly, but yet they never ask questions or follow-up it just seems Weird it wouldn't do that. Well, yeah, they did say I have no you're one day we were children and then we were something else after the murder. So I think what happened is they stopped exploring because the murder just happened to soon imagine being kids. And now you murdered someone you're shocked. You don't want to explore that anymore shot in the hood everyday bevi their social their associating their powers. Yeah with murder so they don't see it internally. Is this gift or a blessing they see it as something that's going to harm people. You'll most strong strong. 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We do respond to the comments below and of course step sobral is in the booth on the live read sure she's dead on the inside but on the outside she's live. So let's discuss thanks. I like that sort of stuff liked it too. Listen, let's talk about prom. Okay prom. I don't know how your problem went. But this prom went amazing and horrible at the same time for next Depends for her. All right bad for everyone else. I thought listen one thing we got to seize my boy. It was the varsity. I mean homecoming King varsity. T top-notch guy, he's probably the quarterback. This guy was rolling. Now. We know the backstory of he was the man but then he gets dumped over the fact that he gets in a little squab. No. No, he showed his like true color like that was outside that took pick on someone for being gay. He okay. So basically Alex call them out on it there and put him in a bad position in front of well, that's because Kyle did it to himself. So we remember the episode before where they're discussing how Alex basically goes. Yeah. On me right to make yourself liked by other people even though we used to be really good friends and Kyle is questioning why he did that clearly showing like a change in character. Why is that the journey to scene out of it though. He didn't make us she had a good heart Alex, right? Yeah, Alex knocked him back to sir. He's supposed to you basically called him. He called him a faggot that was the whole day. But that was the that was the subtle part of it. The subtleness was that that's what he said and that's very very wrong and I'll tell you what, I like tell Liz did stand up in that moment because we've you know, a lot of people have questioned her character and motives as she's shifting around doing things. But what that was refreshing to me to see Liz stand not only just for Rosa because that's been her main purpose but we show she cares about the people that only she cared about people like that's one thing that made me like Lismore is that she stood Kyle knew enough to act different in front of her because He wouldn't stand for that kind of behavior. Exactly. And this is a person who's clearly in tune with social awareness and social issues because she's faced. She's been a marginalized minority herself her whole life being an illegal immigrant and a dreamer and a person who's known this country and not her parents country. Her parents have come here for a better life. So she stands out stands up for the underdog and I wish that because a lot of the times minorities only stand for their own respective community. She stepped over to another minority who's being discriminated against and she stood up for that she dead but here's a counter thing because how did she unless she suspected of Kyle doing this on a regular basis. That could have been a he said she said who kind of thing this is the first time she sees it up close Kyle being accused of that and she right away makes a judgment on it, but it came off as if Kyle's not kind of kind of a dickhead. That's me. Will ya at least guilty? I don't believe that. Child denied saying it all together. He didn't deny it either Alex called him out on it. And then Kyle's like he was stuck in no, man. That's what do you like? Oh, you're gonna do this in front of Liz. It was like a different person specifically repeated something. He said, you know, I like tacos and you like hotdogs hotdogs. He added more fuel to the fire then it definitely is he was taunting him. Yeah, and and you know what? I was actually very enamored with Is at that moment because Liz hasn't although I haven't always had a good place in my heart for Liz because been wishy-washy up and down in the way. She treats Max it's to run team is now it's not that I've never been I've always been more Timeless than anyone else and I've been shipping Max and Liz but I also like Liz more in this episode and I like Max less because of what happened later. I felt I like Max less because he became wishy-washy. Yeah. Liz was able to stand up and also in that incident Max didn't do anything Michael stepped up my camera pushed Kyle away my chemicals and grabbed Alex Integrity. He Journeys about Michael a lot every week. We seem to he takes the fall for everyone. It's like the second or third week. He's yeah volunteer to do that. He was pinned originally that he was like the bad guy the going that's a troublemaker, but he is clearly becoming the guy that he's the more mature. What's the most mature martyr of He gets he's clearly being abused by his adopted parents where they tried to do an exorcism on him because I guess he probably and demonstrate his power was he demonstrated his powers? That's what was on the arm and everything. They basically are possibly extremely conservative religious family and he might have demonstrated some type of power in front of them and they tried to take it out of him and he needs to leave the house and to the point where by high school. He's living out of his truck for real. Yes, you know, he steps up. Elizabeth with roses murder and he tries to take the rap for it and he basically does so that his sister doesn't take the abruptness for her own personal psyche. I mean Michael comes out being I'm way more team Michael than I oh yeah, it's hard not to yeah, he seems like the real kind of genuine guy that legitimately if anyone I know he talked about always like well, they loved it Max loves and is about and vice versa. But like I think my Michael loves them the most because he's always trying to actually step up in a moment where they eat is always trying to impress them even with Michael he gets into a really good school or something and Isabel's just not impressed Right Alright. Uhm. I don't know if she wasn't impressed. But she just despises the thought of any of them leaving sure and leaving her behind but she treats it even when you see the prom photo her hands on Michael. I'm on a tan on Max not on Michael right? He's like the black chief of the crew. Yeah Michaels. Always The Outsider even when they're together. Not that they don't love him, but they always give him the one step behind. I want to get to the root of that. He's the middle child of the family. You know, I saw that question in my mind well because he was adopted by another parent which why was it he adopted it with them both. I mean there were just a lot of things that happen and going on and we're finding a lot more about Michael and especially his love interest with Alex. So let's talk about that Michael and Alex we see the beginning of their relationship. That was interesting a hot and steamy from the start but wasn't from the start because I'm not from the first interaction. It was like you could tell there was some tension and Alex is this like like emo kid with the Airing in is the nose ring and the whole thing the very different than the Alex we see now who's followed his Father's Footsteps, right? Alex was catering to Michael that I believe that that was a number one appeal that Michael saw to Alex someone who is holistically caring for him as we said we've seen Michael care for everyone else. Him feeling rejected by his parents having Alex step in and even at one point said why can't I do something nice just to be nice he and gave him the guitar gave him a place to stay in the shed. So you can have to be in the truck. He really felt catered to and as we learned that was his first experience with a man and his catering was enough to win his love over. It was easy to do that, but I understand it because that's the first time we even see on the show someone doing something from Michael without him doing it. First for them even his closest friends and Max and Isabel here. We see Alex actually showing something without getting anything in return. Well, I like the I like the concept that Alex and Michael when they're together and they actually going through with it. Michael has a conversation with Max and then realized makes that self-actualization where he's telling Max you should go for it and then really is telling himself then he goes to where Alex is working at the movie theater and the alien museum movie theater thing. And goes let's let's talk in private. We knew what that meant. Yeah, they go back seeing their movies. That's what I meant. They're waiting in line and no one's there to sell a ticket it meant that they went back and they shipped and when they did they it was the first time and then Alex says have you ever done this before and Michael's like? Yeah, I've done this but not with a guy and not with someone. I actually like yeah, it was like a strong seen. It was very passionate very intimate. It was cool until Dad shows up. Up sheesh. That was harsh. Yeah, and then once again when Dad shows up again, you see Michael running in the face of harm and yeah it for Alex. Yeah, that's a great point. He's gonna jump he is and throughout all these like love relationships. We see and I always believed in the shipping of Alex and Michael we see that Michael has fought harder for his love interest more than anyone else out there. He's putting his body on the line literally. Her dad's. Yeah, because the dad took the hammer. What did you guys think about that? That was picked up the hammer. I'm just got scared Michael steps up and then like from what we can tell he bashes and Alex was going to get hammered. No pun intended. And this is trapped in this in this may be going too deep. I caught on to something when Michael gives the Jesus reference when they perform the exorcism. Well the story of Jesus he had the power to save himself and didn't and in that moment where the father was attacking Alex. We knew that Michael could have Just thrown in but it was almost like he wanted to be the sacrificial the sacrifice and he took the paintings and that's what that's what surprised me a lot. I was expecting him to use his super power then and he didn't he literally took the pain for it was a reaction to I think you can even have a time to think about it as far as we know because they did cut but that's a very interesting thing. It'd be interesting to know if he did use his power or not if you use it or not, and that's but then again, I think that the master sergeant means would have picked up on that and then went after them. Yeah, that would have been exposed right there. So are we shipping Alex and Michael still? Yeah even more so now I'm definitely I'm Michael fan. My collects. Michael really has my grown on all of us. I think in the last couple weeks. He was kind of like the Forgotten guy no one cared about because he didn't have that many redeeming qualities initially first couple episodes and now he's got a ton of them. Yeah, and they're they're creating this backstory that makes him endearing hmm. I no longer see him is this villain? Alien? I see ya uncle is a superhero. He's a good guy. Yeah, he's a good guy. Let's talk Max and Liz because that was the other love story. That was working simultaneously while we were we were getting a lot of Michael and Alex. We got a lot of Max and Liz and we saw these parallels. We saw from the start of the end of Kyle Liz with the prom till let's hang out and go on an adventure instead of do our do our homework. Hmm Adventure turns out to just be drinking beer and hanging out and attempting to kiss I guess. Or getting close to your famous not forget teaching teaching salsa. I've seen the friend zone happen before but this is the first time on any show and in life. I've seen someone get put on hold. Oh gave him the hold button and I was like, whoa, this is forever who knew the whole hood and then I'm thinking so with that hold being done. We see that Max said earlier episodes I waited for you. Has he been waiting? Is that the moment where the hold button was pressed? As well. I remember another flashback on two episodes ago three episodes ago where Max as an eighth grader was also in love with was yes, and it's not like he's been in love with her. He's been his entire adopted life with these this family and did he did he just sit back the whole time and watch Kyle take over. That's right. He didn't have the guts until this senior year which actually happens a lot even in high school. Let's be very honest when it comes to seeing you here and you realize That there's a sense of urgency and you have the least to lose because you're going to go on summer vacation and go off to your respective colleges. A lot of people tell people their feelings in and create that that moment that should be on you know an episode Saved by the Bell. So when I saw Toronto and Jim react to this line that Lou says about you know girls shouldn't change your plans for a guy. Yeah, but then Max even says I'm going to change my plans. I was expecting her to remove the hold button, but she said, She wanted to wait till they got to the Grand Canyon for the Empire State Building. Yeah, and if Rosa hadn't died Max would have went along with that road trip and things would have went very different. All right, I didn't factor that. Yeah, because he just gets up and leaves conforming to her. This girl's not giving him enough for him to be chasing her going on her trips and doing all these things for I've been saying that since day one, he's just literally begging himself to be that's following only if you think emotions must be reciprocated see the Concept is if you really like someone you like them despite In Spite and others by scraping Wes, you're not creepy waves becomes creepy when you start becoming when you impress it on them, and that's when it's creepy. However to be a fan of someone to actually have an emotion. You can't control emotions. It's not a logical response team was a groupie at this point Lodge. You said let's group you sure I think yeah Jim, that's the best kind of relationships though is when you're a groupie for each other you are the Biggest fan and supporter of the other person but to be agreed but I don't think she's feeling better. She believes in him and there's a lot of emotion going with her, but she's the more logical of the tube. Is it just me or did you notice the pacing shift after he couldn't salsa not that was a turn that's asking a lot. Okay, it's not that I didn't like Max more. I didn't like Max and this role when it came to Liz because he wasn't confident. He wasn't sure he wasn't this grown up Max that we've come to see he becomes he were verts to this High School Max every time he's around Liz and now we're seeing the actual beginnings of it and I lost sympathy while gaining empathy for his character empathy. But did you also see a sense of sincerity the question that's been lingering a lot of the shows does Max really love Liz and if if this doesn't prove that he was sincere. Although the whole Rosa thing happened this episode led me to believe that Max was indeed sincere about his feelings to Lizzy told me that reassure him charge about it. What if he has a major crush a childhood crush and it's cuz he can get her it makes him pursue her more and develop more the chase of not getting anything. Is that what we think that's happening here? I think so. I think there's a lot of that. I don't know if it's a Chase because how much egos involved when she went. If you're willing to wait, are you chasing if you're willing to wait that long of a spin he hasn't given him any indication once you if she gave him an indication of she like basically said it couldn't, you know confirm her feelings for him and all that. Maybe that would have altered or shift. It may be his Chase for her wouldn't be as persistent and desperate stuff. Is anyone in the chat saying anything different we need to know know the last question was can you ask the pan from Billie Jean girl 24. Can you ask the panel if they think that Isabella has? As a mental disorder like dude, we're definitely going to get the balance and that was a strong. That's our next topic for sure for sure. But we want to hear from each and every one of you especially in the comments below do we think that Max is in love with Liz or in love with the chase one more from Billie Jean girl 24 Max deserves better. Liz is making to Liz is making it too difficult. She won't even tell him how sheesh stop if a guy chased you for like 20 years and you gave him Think would it be creepy after a while? Yes. There you go. Point proven. Is it creepy or is it hey at least he respected my space and it might become endearing that he's held on for swag depends who it is. Obviously. It depends on if he's good-looking. You're not this is two stories. Let's take scenario a scenario a the girl goes to her locker finds a note and some flowers from a boy. Who's really cute? Oh my god. Do you know what Brandon did he left a flower? He left a note. It said do you like me Check Yes, it only had yes, it was the cutest thing ever. Oh my God, Brandon. So cute. Yeah, let's say we're not attractive right glasses. So Chris Hemsworth Brandon and now we're going with Danny DeVito Brandon. Oh my God, Brandon. Did he left his dying flower in the ugly handwritten note. It's like do you like me? Yes and didn't even leave a box for no because he's A creeper and a stalker. How did he even know where my locker was totally agree, but I don't have a strong counter argument for that. You have to be honest that whenever on both sides when you shoot your shot ya know that you're on the same level like playing field as the other person you have more personality than their looks and yeah, you're on the same level but if you don't have either like please don't try there's a counter-argument. I wanted to think of but I was in Cape. That's right. And let's talk about that because I felt okay, they didn't show anything and we kept waiting for that moment. You were hinting this. I've been hinting this since the beginning of the season and this episode they showed a lot of Isabel Rosa and that Roller coaster do you think let's let's answer Billie. Jean's question. Does Isabel have a mental disorder? She will what I know for sure. I can't assess the mental disorder. I would be prone to think that because of her unawareness of her actions, but I do think that she has some sort of a social unawareness because at one point it seemed like she was laying it too heavy on Rosa and Rosa wasn't comfortable. And even you see roses say this is too much for me. Yeah, that's when she came in like she was about to like devour her from the back like she did like our got like wrestling. Selena but it reminded me of this obsession with the lady who killed to murder. Yeah, that's what it felt. Like it felt like it felt like she was obsessed with Rosa and by unwhole, or maybe yes, he almost like that type of bipolar. I'm obviously none of us are yeah, we don't all right to diagnose anyone and we would never make light of mental issues and disorders because they're thankfully this show is at least hinting at it. Yeah, but there's two things because remember now she's got an in the You sure she's got a husband and she suddenly acting like she loved it at times. You know what she's drinking all those acetones, right? So the press that to maybe she's self-medicating like she's not that injured. So why is she drinking so many right and that's only to heal as we know. Yeah. There's something going on there. We see two different versions and this whole rage that she's talking about it that we're expecting the next episode. There's like an alien side maybe a very coming out like it's a van. Stallion inside of her wouldn't it wouldn't shock me if the female of the species is the most dangerous because that is the case in a majority of species including ours stuff sabratha. Perfect example of gosh, Toronto popped up that that's one Theory my theory is is I believe that it's a conspiracy and Isabel someone tapped into her power and is controlling her mind and I think it's means as in someone. Else is happening in that could be a because there's got to be something more with what the Blackout's right. So let's talk is about and Rosa their relationship roses as confused as we are one one second Isabel's warm the next second. She's cold. They're good friends. And then she's denying her at the diner. She was harsh to like, I'm not taking applications for new friend. Yeah, that sounds like something I would say, so it was bad and just yeah, but what do you think is their first of all are they romantic? Blinked yes. Yes. I definitely think the romantically holding hands, right? Yes, and you saw the body language of Isabel moving towards her in the diner later at night. I did see a parallel between the strictness of Liz in Rose's father and the strictness of Alex's father and I believe that Rosa feared for her identity to be ready to be revealed in her father's restaurant because we saw the father Grill Kyle that was kind of scary tunnel Chapman Mountain. So so I think At Rosa was hiding a lot from the family and that's part of the reason why she was pushing away Isabel out of fear of judgment. There might be a love there like a strong love that we have not seen other shelf and affected Rosa it certainly did and first of all, shout out to Rosa. We finally get to see her for the first time. This isn't like her. Yes made me finally like Rosa now. I am intrigued by her man care about at that point. I said we're talking about like we're just over to storyline but now we get to see her. We can connect with her. We see what she's like we see what she is around these characters and she's got a lot of issues going on but she's got a redeeming qualities, right? She's kind of a victim of her surroundings in a lot of ways people messing around with her like Isabel is with her feelings and emotions and you can see why she might have been taken to this path and there's that mention of her having a man that wants to take her away and clean her up the way she says it she's like, oh, it's not a guy guy Essence. Yeah, get exactly something that not talking about little thing. As were hints at our reference to Valenti. Was it a reference to Valenti or the dealer? We don't know it was interesting but it wasn't a threat to Isabelle and her it's a guy who's also getting clean. So it would be interesting if Kyle's father was on drugs and he was trying to sober up and we just didn't know that we have the little lab downstairs was that for Rosa from the previous app? I mean, that's what we were thinking. We don't know we're getting to find things out and I'm glad we slowly are even though it slowly. It's definitely Shirley and it's way more intriguing now than before. That's all. Because everything's connecting and I do think speaking on the relationship to I think that Isabel's the one writing those love letters. Hmm Rosa all along. I have always shipped that theory so I have to be on board your profit of some snow. I'm just an early. I'm just hoping that period of Isabel Rosa and Isabel and the letters and it's because that's the person we would have least suspected and it's also the person we least suspected in the murder. So let's talk about roses murder because Now we actually got to see at least the second after the murder. So we see we come into the cave and Isabel is holding rosen's like I did it for you. Didn't you do some finishing move like Mortal Kombat where she snapped her neck? That's why I'm sure yeah, definitely finished her up used her powers for sure something something happened. We don't know definitely killed the other two girls and for sure so did rows of find out Isabel and figure out there Isabel's an alien because we member izybelle. She couldn't keep a secret. She was going to tell something like that different dearie. I my first story was that she found out she was cheating on Isabelle found out she was cheating on her like Rosa was fat Isabelle was cheating on Isabelle. Yeah, and that was her reaction. That was my initial reaction is Dad or whoever. Yeah, someone not scared of you with another girl. Maybe you can trust you girls that were there. I think Kyle's dad was a good guy trying to help by helping her the tubules you girls Rosa to deal drugs and then Rosa one at their validation. Ation, and approval Isabelle got back at them for writing go back to Mexico on the car because remember she's like I thought they were my friends and and that's why that whole this is a lot. You're a lot happens so much happens close Isabel rows of finds out the Isabel's an alien is like what are you and she's like, she's like, I'm gonna oh my God, I gotta tell her she said something like I did this for us I did this for you. So here's so here's what I think happened now. Isabelle kills of friends who are hating on her. Is that go back to Mexico and Rosa goes? Oh my God, I have to report this and then she goes I did this for you and then kills her so she doesn't blow their cover. But I mean, there's just a lot of that's a lot if you love someone the way apparently Isabel and Rosa love each other would she kill her over that like, I don't know if that was the initial what I'll tell you something is very real and it might be funny just because it's so tragic is the concept of the person who's most likely to murder. You is a person, you know and or are in a relationship. I've heard that by far not even a little the stranger the black guy in the hoodie all those things the the the motives are different or all that stuff is is okay. That's those are just really specifically stereotypes. The truth is look to the guy that you're in bed with and that's the guy who's way more likely to jealousy. Probably not only thing any pain. It's actually extremely tragic. That's why I said haha a tragedy. Isabelle's blackouts, what are they? Her not being able to handle the stress and all that's put on her. I just don't think she can handle any secrets or anything all the pressure that she has to kind of take care of the guys in her mind is just something she can't handle and I think these are the reactions of it and her body's reactions to these things. I still think it's a outside interference I George I agree. Yeah go on. I do see the character flaws in her Obsession Earnest and love for Rosa and I just think that's just her being obsessed with Rosa. But when she blacks out and does these actions nothing in Isabel's character has led me to believe that these are her doings, but she's aware of them. She did say, oh, it's coming. I know it's coming again, but she's aware of the black house when she doesn't remember what happens when it happens happen, but I'll tell you why I agree with George and I'll tell you because when remember when she basically well from what we we think murders Rosa Michael Max get this it's like a screech and they're like, uh, and they figure out where she is and it's like what if there's another alien that's also controlling her or somehow and I think it's another alien. I still think there's another weird alien has to be no, I never believed that now I'm starting to think that there is a fourth alien and was that cry, that's Ron mentioned. Do you think that that was a signal being sent from Isabel saying, Me here's my location. I mean it was sometimes we're honest since each other. They've done that before. Yeah, they've done it before and here. Let's get into the group of the cover-up. What did you guys think about that is the cover up with Max setting the car on fire and then Michael using know Michael using his powers to lift the girls like we have to cover this up lifting them putting them in the car driving the car with his mind with his telekinetic ability and then Max setting it on fire. I think especially with Liz showing the picture. This is what you did. To my sister. Yeah, this is what you did and you covered it up and you made us the target for 10 years. She had a times she had such a strong point him. So pushover Max is a little more gangster than we give them credit for he set that car on fire. He did set the car on fire with his energy. Yeah back then it's the only thing that's like or complicit in this. That's harsh. We think that it's right that Liz's like I never want to see you Yaks Heavens no question. Yeah, she go back and she doesn't care about her enough. She doesn't love him enough as we've been saying all on for her to forgive him after now. She knows this. I'm not is that I gotta defend my boy back scared. I'm not as mad about him setting the car on fire because she was already dead. No, no, no, he's already dead. That's that's accessory after the fact. I'm uh, yeah, they could have maybe brought her back to life. They did he have no. No, he did tracks try these he goes. I'm not strong enough. Yeah. That maybe we could reconnect to what was mentioned earlier. Maybe that signal that was sent out that interference maybe in Isabel made them all week weaker. It shook him up. But but Max where I feel he went wrong where I will even admit that is to let her sisters Legacy get tarnished to let her family experience hate crimes and their whole reputation be ruining the town and to know that this and happened and to not try and do something if you really love Liz that's where I I kind of fell off a little and have enough incentive to I'll defend him for once. Yeah, why because Liz was gone. So why wouldn't he protect his people closest to him Isabel Michael and and take the heat off of them if Liz is not even in town. So in that case he didn't have enough incentive to I'm support that I want to say something that's real because you said his mistake was not what you say like like letting the biggest well, maybe the outcome of his undoing Is that he let the reputation of the family and tarnish, right? Yeah. Okay George, you know what he should have done ever tell this but listen, he should have just not for me thank stuck to the drunk driving idea for story and let that go because this is what this is that X Factor. You don't know this is a ruin your life ruining but there is no statute of limitations on murder buddy, but that goes back to yeah, he may not be confident enough to share the truth. But at the end of the day he is sincere. How does she forgive me for this how Does she forget there's no way I can see I got Jojo. You who you are special segment. Let's pick a scene or a character in the show that relates personally to you George. This is embarrassing. So you can buy be able to tell by my necklace, but when I was in high school, there was this trend about chokers and I always wanted to wear one a choker and I got it. I got to give props to Alex. That's finally did he wear? Yeah choker. I'm glad you like your hot dogs are delicious. I don't mind it was a handcuff choker and I was like that takes confidence. Alex strikes me is like a very confident person and the fact that he wore that knowing that he was being scrutinized. I wish I had enough confidence to go back in high school. And we're that choker that I wanted to we're glad you did it. Yeah, I actually read this. I actually had a Max moment. Okay, suddenly and I couldn't close the deal and even kissed a girl and it was setting up for that. Okay, I actually did not come through in a moment. So that was relatable I guess so I appreciate that. What I who you Tehran I'm gonna go with the moment. Alex and Michael were in the bout to get passionate and then Michael spits so much game. Anyway, yeah done this before but you know not with anyone I've ever liked like he's big game at that moment and I was like get it like that such that are on things like you you were gonna close the deal but he spit game just to make it extra now do I believe him maybe but the game the game is real. Yeah. That's how she knows he's in for an Steps abroad drop the predictions. Mmm your AfterBuzz TV Jim what's happening next week. I think one in the future one of the people on the show that one of our main characters is an alien that we don't know about so it could be either either Kyle either Alex. Someone's an alien here, maybe even Liz or Rossa. I don't know about any of them, but maybe someone we know is an alien. I like that a lot. If someone's an alien Mains the alien, he's an evil. Alien. He's the one controlling Isabel's mind which causes. To kill but now Isabelle thing set it's not someone controlling her. She thinks she's a problem and the episode she says, what are we murderers? Alright, then I think that Isabel's can go on a killing spree interesting I said is about did something during the blackout that we haven't seen yet and it's going to be something really big bad and extremely ugly. I do think there's another alien possibly someone we've already met but no one we know we'll find out as we get right back into Roswell New Mexico. This is episode 6 season 1 where can people find you George if you want to be found find me at mr. George Khoury on the gram Terron spell my last name KHOU RI Jim find me on all social media added the Jim Alexander a Ellie X. Whatever Ender is the thing for me and I am Toronto all across the board. That's I am th rhan and on a slew of other AfterBuzz after shows as I host and panel everything. That's good. See you guys next week. 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Tehran Von Ghasri, Jim Alexander, and George Khouri discuss Roswell New Mexico Season 1 Ep 6 “Smells Like Teen Spirit”. Thoughts on the flashbacks, more insight on Rosa’s murder, and Isobel’s blackouts. Also talk Michael & Alex, Max & Liz, and possibly even Isobel & Rosa relationships. Liz never wants to talk to Max again and much more on this weeks Roswell New Mexico Aftershow on Afterbuzz. Stay tuned. ROSWELL'S BACK!!!! We're so excited to have our favorite show back, so join the hosts each week break it down! From the past to the present, we'll bring insight and more to each episode. Join us for character discussions, plot breakdowns, and insider news and gossip! Subscribe and Comment to stay up to date on all things Roswell New Mexico! After a decade away from home, Liz Ortecho returns to her native Roswell to care for her ailing father. When she arrives, she reconnects with her high school crush Max Evans, who is now a police officer. Their chemistry is electric, but Liz soon learns something shocking: Max and his siblings are aliens who have kept their abilities secret their entire lives. As they grow closer, Liz struggles to keep the truth from her best friend Maria, and her high school ex, Dr. Kyle Valenti, but concealing the siblings' true identities is more important than ever, as a long-standing government conspiracy and the politics of fear and hatred threaten their lives. 