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Let's get it. Well y'all. Yeah, there we go. Boil in gonzalvez AKA Uncle Lim and a case sensitive Thugz tonight because this finale let me tell you something. Yes. Thank you. Thank you Josh. Appreciate it. That's that's what I need right now because I feel very poetic. I feel like you know, I want to I need to do a sensitive poem. That is correct. But yeah, I'm gonna so when it is duction, so I later engineer. So next to me is the one and only the incomparable the amazing. Give me oh Alice indeed so much lamb everyone. Yes, I can't promise. I'm not going to weep. All right. Yeah. I also would like to introduce to everyone out there the enjoy the amazing she has a For blouse on and it is very fitting for this episode because again, it is a feelings blouse it because we are not feelings. April wasn't at ladies and gentlemen, y'all. I'm so sorry. I'm crying already actually is the best with his introduction every single week. And I don't know if I'm more sad about the show ending or like us this panel and like all of our viewers ending we are not ending. Of course, but the show we have the live chat open. So we are we so want to know what you thought because obviously we are in our feelings about it. As one said yes, so I'm going to try to do this. But what did you all think about the episode? I mean, I genuinely and I you know, this is a television network. We watch a lot of TV shows here. I don't I truly don't think I've ever seen a better. Our series finale in my life and I have watched, you know, the shows that people watch it is, you know, we've talked a lot about like, you know, the Game of Thrones finale how people were so upset. But like you have your reasons whatever this is this is how you do it. Like this is the some of the best riding. I think I've probably seen on the show, but also it gave us everything that we needed a few things that I didn't know that I needed and like it ended in a way that is different than how How you would expect but it's how you like realize that you really wanted it to and makes great points. Like I literally feel like I learned things from tonight's episode. I loved it thought it was so amazing. I definitely thought it was phenomenal. I think for me the one item like my one critique if I were to have one was just I wish there was some punctuation Around Noah's damnation what his you know, just all of the allegations me to think all of yeah, just a little bit just something to kind of and I don't know if it was just the fact that you know, Helen kind of embracing him and just him moving on and going to Montauk like maybe that was the the unsaid period on that story like all move on. I'll be fine we're together. We're happy family. So perhaps that wasn't Enough, but there was an underlying from me of that question mark of I still wish there was a bit of like Helen coming for into being like he's a fabulous man. I love him dearly and what pow to all your people so but I honestly it was still an amazing and moving and the tears were still coming finale for me and it will definitely go down in history. Like this is definitely a panel that you know will go down in history for me. So, you know, It is just going down history right now. You know what? I think that how you were saying? I think we actually did get a punctuation on that. I was saying I've said so many times that you know, I didn't want for me personally. I was like, I don't want that to be Noah story act. Like is that how we're going to end but I think the fact that he, you know, we learned that tonight that he moved to Montauk directly after Whitney's wedding. He you know, obviously we see that he and Helen were together, but the fact that He moved to Montauk and didn't do this this this we clearly know that something probably he didn't move forward with a major writing movie producer career. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in the situation that they were. So I feel like we kind of know what happened. Whatever them directly saying. Yeah, right. So here's my thing to your point and and just to the entire finale if you notice the affair Noah was the culprit right? He's the villain in this and this is how the Starts he has occurred with Alison obviously Allison while still married but Noah is the villain is villainized and we see kind of his trajectory. We see what happens. He ends up spending time in jail. He ends up getting ostracized from his family his kids don't like him Helen hate some sometimes sometimes it's cool with them. We see what he goes through granted a lot of it and he's even said in the show himself several times some of this I deserve, you know, a lot of this I deserve because I was not good, you know, even when he's talking talking to Colin and we see that whole situation but what I love about this because I was waiting for that as well this whole Vindication, right and what I feel like what I think was dope shout out to share a train is that they did it to me in a way that didn't it gave the punctuation mark, but it didn't it didn't embellish it right? Yeah. You said I'm saying like the facts to me the fact that the way the show ended like the exact. The ending scene is him walking out to that ledge and him doing the dance. I know from 30 years ago, right and you see him doing that and it's him just by himself. Helen is passed away her parents have passed away and we see him and it's almost like a freedom in a sense and that's where I feel like that's to me was the punctuation. Yeah. Absolutely. He's been like yeah. No I'm with you I and like I think you know, I'm still Processing everything again. I thought it was very masterful. And I think that there was so much embedded meaning throughout the episode like there was so many little nuances and little details that were obviously very well thought out and I think it's definitely one of those phenomena. I don't know if I could like watch it tomorrow because I'm gonna need like another box of tissues for that definite, but it was very well done. And I think the layers of story that are there and just the fact that Noah Um landed in the in the way that he did on that ledge. I mean it was a beautiful episode. It really does and then the other thing to think about is the fact that we know he did not because we see, you know prior to this whole finale and the things that we've seen in Prior seasons is that Noah, you know his quest for fame right and him being an author and then even how that whole thing transpired with Sasha turning the, you know book into a movie and he's thinking he's going to be you know this Person, right and the fact that right after him and Helen rekindle that he leaves all that aside, right and the book that he's reading is from his daughter. I know like do see them saying and so it's like he knew where his piece was. Yeah. He realized like when Helen is doing her speech we're going to be bouncing all around. Yeah, we are. Yeah, but what happened is given it's fine. The helm is giving her speech. He's sitting there and you can tell he's processing. And he knows what she's going to say. Yeah, he knows that she's going to say that she loves him. He knows that but he wants to give her the ability to do that because he loves her too. You know, I got to get this out for the entire series and nobody get back together and people doubted me. I saw the Twitter's I'd be were like that. Nah, they had their moment and that's it. It's past. I've had faith and I feel like it's great for this show because it shows when we see that line when he is talking - so many moments when he has talking to Johnny and he's telling her. Oh, yeah, do you you know, I'm going and he's basically like, you know, it's hard to go home, right? That's a message like I could preach right there like if it's hard. Home and when she's looking she's like what do you mean? He's like and he starts to explain because he's giving and it's hard to get it all out. Yeah, he's when he when he finds out. Yeah, you know who she is because it takes them a minute. Yeah, and she know recognizes him before he recognizes her and when he's talking to her he's giving her the experience that he had but the crazy thing about and this is so great about this writing is that it's his mother that he had the affair with him. He's taking what he did with his mother and what he learned from that situation to tell her that she needs to go home and be with her husband because he's with his wife. Do you see why wow? Oh my God. I'm telling you right now like this, but mainly the finale I feel like and it's like you said, I feel like it did Justice to the season. Did Justice and we were talking off air before this how we've been disappointed with other series that we loved and you get to the finale. You're like wait, that's it. That's how you're ending this series and I'm so so glad I'm so so glad that they ended it in the way that they did let's talk about it because there's so much to unpack highlight that chat is giving you much mad love right now. Love Maria. Ayala says limb was right all along. And then I lost it a second ago. I will find it but they said that basically the whole thing is redemption story. Think about it first scene to last scene of the episode. It's a Redemption story and character Arc right from now on Zach. Yeah. Yes. Let's talk about it. All right, so we do start with Noah and and of course the you know, it's all about Wendy's wedding. Everything is surrounded around that with the exception of Joanie's parts. And so they're preparing for Whitney's wedding. We do know that in the Prior episode that Noah Whitney told you no, no like you're not invited you are Uninvited. You cannot be there, of course, he's devastated but because Noah is persistent. And that's one thing I will say that he has been throughout this situation. He's been persistent. He decides look I'm going to plan this thing. I had already started something. Yeah. I'm going to finish it out. If I can't be here. I can't be there. And so we see that he's got the whole family involved. We see Mars. Shout out to Martin Shadows with a minute. See him Brianna. This is over. We do see it in the last episode The Flash mob which is the one thing she said she wanted to do was like I mean like have you ever seen Noah solloway dance until tonight? I guess dance is an old man. You saw knowing that we all know that but we see then that he ends up after this happened slow down. Yeah, it seems like that's but then we see the immense starting right? So the first thing he does is talk so Trevor Trevor says, I don't hate you dad. He's like wait if I hate it. My dad, he's like that's not where I'm at. I don't hate you. He then goes the mark. He starts talking to Martin makes amends with him. He gives them advice on what to say about Whitney. You see what I'm saying? So he's like going down the line and this this immense, you know situation exactly is starting and the Pinnacle is Helen, right? And so and then we see he goes to college who is new to him. Yeah, and the fact, you know, he's like look, you know and Collins like look you why are you trying to be Yeah, so like we there's so many people do not like you in this family like what's going on and no one kind of was like well, let me explain something to you these women in this family. There are he said this whole family's crazy. Yeah. Oh, yeah entire family is crazy. And basically you're entering this family. But look, this is the situation. I want to give you the best possible situation and he when he when he tells I'm going to get your mama here, right? Right. I died. He in that moment. I I literally I think that's the first thugs here that I shed and yes, I as well as London shed only factor. I should all kinds of terrorism is real and that moment was like this even just him being the simple you put it, you know, so eloquently he is hated. Everyone is like he's the worst he's doing all of this stuff. I was wondering at the I'm like, I think I said it out loud while we were watching. I was like, how is he is he not going to tell Whitney his future bride that her dad is helping plan this like very important thing in her wedding. But in that moment for him to be staying in like a roach motel and you know, I don't know how much of a flight from Ireland is but not cheap and to like figure out basically like let me do this and for the moment where he says your family because family, Only you can't always, you know be there you're always going to eat a mess up. You're going to be nasty to each other sometimes but the fact that he was like I'm going to do whatever I can when I can to help you. I think that was the first moment for me where I was like, you just came full circle because you are not knowing think of Noah in the past. He would have been very hardened and upset not that he wasn't tonight by the but by the fact that he wasn't there and he had spent all of this money to do all of these things. The fact that he was willing to do even more it's just like he such it's a Redemption. He's such a different character than we got before and I think that's I think that's why it makes us feel good because it just makes us feel good for even like to know that Whitney maybe wasn't so fully gung-ho about everything but he was like guess what it's happening. So let's make it happen. Let me make let me do something for you because you're my son-in-law or future son-in-law right to make you happy. I like what he said we show up. Yes. Oh, that was good. That was there was so many gems. But yes so many gems. That was one. That was the first major ones for me. We show up we show up like yeah you do and which is which is very true because as dysfunctional and it's problematic as they are as a family he's right they do show up and they do what they need to do. You literally told Helen leave I hate you. Basically it's okay and then he went back to her after the fire. Like that's because it's what you do. Yes, you show up. That's what you do. Yeah, I think Heartbreaker number one even though it hit me later because I didn't get it right away. And I told you all was when you know, they're getting the wedding planning and Helen is like oh and I didn't get it at first I was like, yeah, what are you talking about? I knew it and then later I was like wait he had to leave. Yeah because again, he's not invited. He's not supposed to be there. Right and then we see that scene that is very comical where he's hiding from Whitney when she shows up. I almost tweeted this while we were watching. I was trying to live tweet with everyone. But then I was like wait if you read this later, you're not going to understand. I was like thank you for giving us these comedy scenes. I am we saw do not mean this is the way I like making light of course of right Dementia or anything. Obviously. It's a very serious illness but I was like, I need this comedy. I need Bruce hiding behind a wall. Yeah. I think he's Noah's brother and my parents will never find us here. Yeah, I actually loled so thank you for that moment. No, it was it was definitely needed. I mean we needed that because it was such a I mean you knew it was going to be heavy episode. Yeah, I knew that they had to do these things to give the which I appreciate to give the season Justice our series Justice when we see that he does leave and I mean I've been feeling bad for Noah for the last this entire you have this I mean this this I'll put like this don't wait a second this land. I will say the It's like the precursor real thing. Yes, the second half of the Season leading up to the end. Yes. I feel bad for Noah. I feel like Noah. What I do appreciate about Noah's character is that he understands why the situation is what it is? Yeah why he's hated. He's like I've made mistakes and I appreciate that. He owns up to that because he needed to do that in order to get his family back. He had to own up to his mistakes and be genuine not just be like, yeah I messed up and Keep doing bad things. I keep doing messed up things with some right. So he learned from that and I feel I felt bad and I've even said this and come on don't play me said this in previous episodes and coming previous episodes that there are times that I feel bad for him because I feel like yeah, I mean, he's getting a bad rap. Yeah, um haven't been a fan of his the entire season series, right but in the second half of the Season definitely because I'm like yo, what more can you do to this? This man, yeah, you know what I'm saying, but we do see that he goes to the hotel and he's sitting there with his to let bottles and he's just his daughter and it is very right at least he's you know, drinking it alcohol but his daughters getting married. Can you imagine your daughter getting married a couple of miles away and you're sitting in this nasty hotel and you spend all you spend all this money and then it's like she this is a new thing, you know. Seems I don't know why to me. It seems like it's been a while since like the allegations came out and whatever it does kind of but it's not no it's within weeks, you know, as far as we know anyway, yeah, but I think to see it kind of come full circle and to see the obviously this happens much later, but like the conversation even with Bruce and Whitney and that was amazing and everything that they have I think like even him sitting in the hotel. I was so nervous that he was going to like do do something because I was like you he has to feel the lowest he's ever felt absolutely. Maybe I never but very very very low right now. That's so I got I was so afraid so, you know, we've been talking about Helens going to save Noah Hell, whatever. I kind of think she did when she shows up later. Oh for sure for sure. We're going to get into that. I do want to what did you all think when you saw old Noah and a lobster roll? I knew I knew it. Then do it but yes you what what what? What are you talking about? You are you in my brain? Right a little bit? Wait, you said that I said, it's not. Yeah once I saw him. Yeah, I know but I knew like right right when they panned in the last row and I saw the old guy at the counter. Oh, you're saying that that was no before they showed his face. I think they did that for a reason. They did that for the people who they did that for the April's they did that for the people who wanted a still wanted a little bit of Alison and coal and you know, why would he be by the lobster roll over anything right at the you know, at the time that he did it's meaningful. It's meaningful obviously that he did that. So I think they did that for the you know, that's why I say it was just so well written and so well done because we see obviously, you know, he ends up here Helen ends up here. But like give us these little nuggets also it was a great tease because we see, you know, he goes to this hotel and then it pants to Johnny for a quick second. And literally it's just her running into Noah at the lobster roll. And then she says her mom used to work there and then it goes in the Helens Viewpoint. So I'm like but we know it's Noah so we know like wait a second if he's at the lobster roll 30 years later or what have you and he's working there. Then this story's got to have a happy ending. Yeah, right because otherwise, you know, why would you show that there? Yeah. Exactly. This is where I started to get scared because I was like, why is he in Montauk? Why is he like I was like, okay, of course, he would be in Montauk Allison was there he and Helen have all this stuff there, but I started to get nervous because I was like, he's by himself. He doesn't have this like what I was an ass, it made me and gave me pause. I just I just felt like they wouldn't show it because the way this the season was going for the finale. I can't see them showing him. Especially that in Glimpse real quick. If it was going to be something that had a negative connotation. Yeah or negative in D. And this is another like Out to the writers and the creators and obviously everybody on the show because I when I was like we're done singing Joanie and maybe people are just am crazy for this but I was like, I don't think I need to see Joey again. I never agreed with you, but I disagreed with y'all. She did disagree, but I was like you gate they gave me that's why I say stuff that I didn't know that I needed this moment with like Alison said from the beginning props to her that Noah and Joni work. Gonna have this conversation. I was like, I don't need that exact you did dear heaven, but you know what you mean exactly? Yes. No, I definitely I think and I it's what I had hoped for. Um, it really closed a lot of chapters. I think like that conversation between them did a lot to punctuate a lot of things that needed to be punctuated and also just For Joanie to we weren't going to see you know, full character Arc with Joanie because we just met her this season, you know in this particular way, but I think for the storyline that we did see that interaction between the two of them was the Catalyst for you know, kind of giving giving a punctuation to that storyline I think for us. Oh, absolutely. I really struggled I'll be honest with Johnny's presents this season because I'm like, first of all they were showing a little glimpse of her at the beginning of the season and I'm like, oh Okay, I'm not getting enough. Why are you doing this? Because it's not giving me anything for the storyline, right? They started giving her more traction. We obviously saw the probably the biggest thing was her when she get went to go meet the person who killed, you know, ya been and so we see that that Pinnacle happen. So I'm like, okay she needed to get Vindication for a mother. Okay good and like you April I was like, okay, I'm good done. But again the Riders know what they doing. To see what we needed to see and even even with EJ yo yo, so I'm nervous excited over anything about okay. So to your point, I want to just elaborate on your point when they're talking the whole thing about and my thing is I was like, how is out because Alison somehow has to get tied into this finale. Absolutely. No Alison is gone. On we know Joanie is kind of the only connection that's still bringing her up right her memory. So I was like, how is are they going to you know interact Alison into this finale because it has to happen for closure. Oh, yeah, right because the fair happened between no analysis. All right. Yeah, so that's where this this whole show started. So when they were talking and Noah is explaining to Joni because Johnny has all these preconceived notions about our mother. Oh she did this and that and then he's like no no no, no. No she fought for you. Yeah and her hearing that because imagine imagine being you thinking your mom didn't want you right now. I'm thinking your mom, you know, I didn't care enough to take care of you, right? You know, whatever the case is all your life. Yeah, and then your adult and you're thinking like, okay. Well, my mom didn't want me or what happened terrible and then to find out that she the exact opposite. Yeah, like that's got to be that's got to be overwhelming. Stop it. But yeah, it was such a great moment to be able to get as a viewer to see Joni is now going to know these things that Allison did Noah was straight up with her. He's like she sure she left she went away to get help for you. Yeah, you know that everything was for you that's that's not great. Especially as a kid when you don't understand that at all, but the fact that we got to see him say to her, you know, her whole life was about you you were her everything when she you know a couple of times Out the season has said like I was the replacement child, you know, it had me wondering why would col they said cold Louisa, but you know Cole is who really matters to me that scenario would tell her that you know, they just kind of gave her back to Allison to be nice that that I was like. Oh, I wonder I can't imagine clever saying that because he did seem to always really kind of like go to bed for Allison, especially in that situation, but until until it comes to the Joanie stuff your he didn't as But to get her to have that to hear her learn, you know, your dad did always think that Ben had something to do with your mother's death, you know, it doesn't bring her back just like, you know, we they've said but it it and she knows that he did it and I don't know if it makes it any better but it definitely makes her like be more at peace and I think it's just so important that Noah is the one saying these things to her as to be. No. I absolutely have to who else could it be and I wanted him so bad to be like I think she definitely remembers him being in her life, but I wanted him to like I came after you and I whatever but I also knew, you know, we weren't going to get that and that's fine obviously, but to hear him say these things to her and just kind of see what it makes her think and feel and really change everything because for a second I didn't think she was going to go with EJ and for a second I kind of wanted her to go with EJ me being a Go for knowing possibly. I mean they had this the thing is she needed to go back to her family. And that was the whole that was the whole point that Noah was making it's hard to go home going back to what he said. EJ was a distraction. EJ was cool. And I think the reveal of him being Vic and Vixen, even though we had supposed that that was the case to hear that and him say that out loud. I'm like yo, okay, this is Crazy, this is crit. And then when I did so much, I don't know why I don't know. I thought it was great. It was great TV. And then he's like wait are we at related and he's like well so my mom and ex, you know, and then they had an extra lights and then it was like he broke it all the way down. He's like where the farthest away, you know from being related, but I thought it was dope to because my thing is like why is he being interjected in he has to have some kind of other connection other than just random showing up and then being this this person that she just confined to a braided so That because we all were like why is EJ here like he's getting some good screen time. You know, we know it's the last season so we want our people to have the screen time tonight made it all worth it. Honestly just to see that moment of he cared enough to kind of go after the situation and learn more about this and just to see it. Actually I think all is because of the moment of forgiveness where he was like Helen is a set was a second mom to me. Me and was great friends with my mother Cierra and absolutely, you know, Sierra slept with Vic when Helen was with him, but she was able to forgive because that's what people can do right? I think that that was a so again that was another moment of story that it packed a lot in for us as viewers to have more closure. So, you know in the sense of just EJ punctuating the fact that Helen was still very good friends with his I mean just Just all these little little nuggets that he was inserting that came up on multiple times. Yeah, I'm saying that they were friends wait, but I think that that also, you know, that's had a lot about Helen and her character and whatever Joanie's perception of Helen may or may not have been it's just all these things were done and very elegant way as I thought, you know, sure what about another bug hear another sound effect time. Yeah, so we might I mean we might need to some soft music this one. I mean just kind of like from the intro. So when we thank you. So Helen is helping Whitney with her dress. Oh and it goes awry little bit. We then see Margaret walk and gets a little worse. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah the women right, but however, At Silver Lining Hallelujah when Helena and Whitney are talking amongst each other. Yeah, they settle down and they're trying to figure out how do we walk out? Because again Noah is not walking her out. Ellen is and when they have that moment and I have chills right now and they say like no no, no, we're going to hold hands and we're gonna walk out and they walk out hand-in-hand understanding one another. Because the thing is I feel like Whitney always feels like she's misunderstood, right and this whole time even from when she was a kid up until adulthood. She feels like she's you know has to go above and beyond to make her point across where it is, whether it's someone a man that she's with whether it's with her parents, whether it's you know with her boss. Yeah, so and we see Helen is kind of the opposite. We saw what Helen is about and she talks about Not being present. I'm never been present right and so Whitney's over present, right? Yeah if I can use that term or use that phrase right? We're going to use it because it's amazing. So under present over present right the to come together and their present together correctly present and they walk hand in hand. Yeah. It was such a beautiful thing to see. Yeah, we definitely both I think when when Margaret comes in which was another like I thought comedic relief moment and to see Whitney understood what she was like when Helen asked Whitney was like what in the world made you be so tough on people like so hard on people and then Margaret walks in it's just like, oh Helen you look terrible. That's not what she said. But like that's basically what she was saying was that Helen was awful on her wedding day. She was this this this and when he kind of begins to understand wheels are eternity this is what's happening. So in that moment of them to be able to come together hold hands walk down. I'll you know, there's not something better that they could have done to make us because we knew we were going to be sad that like Noah wasn't walking her down the aisle, but she even has this moment. It seems like of clarity where she's kind of looking around and it's like my dad's not here like that's why it was so well done because they gave us these nuggets. They're not just like I'm being hard. I hate my dad whatever but to have Helen even get this moment. I think was probably more special because she has gone through the wringer with Whitney and you know, we've dog don't need a lot everybody in chat with us on started on Whitney a lot as well. But to see her kind of be able to understand and that moment and kind of hashtag grow up right there. I literally feel like that's what she did right she grew up in that moment. Shout out to another comic moment Bruce being tied to the chair. It was Sean to the fact that I loved Helens reaction when she sat down she was like my father's really tied to this are you know, like and I'm Margaret like yeah. What are you watching? Yeah, right. I feel like thing. Yeah, I really and I haven't obviously been a fan of Bruce because Bruce was not anyone to be revered he gave Noah hard time. He just was that dude, right? Yeah, and we see now in this season, you know him dealing with Alzheimer's the dementia, and it's Almost like he's it's humanized him in a way and you feel bad for him. Oh, yeah at the moment the moment that he's talking to Whitney another moment Game Changer when he and he's completely Lucid. Yeah completely and he's talking to her and he's basically like look. Okay. This is the situation you need to make sure let me check my notes you need to make sure this isn't Whitney's Whitney's version. Yeah, and he's dancing with her and and I wrote this down. Quote he says, sometimes it hurts you more than it hurts them to hold a grudge amen so much and it's very true. I mean, this is not just a line in the show. This is very true because a lot of times, you know, and you've heard the phrase hurt people hurt people, right? So a lot of times we get hurt and then when foot turned on other people because we're hurt, you know, so sometimes you hold that Grudge and then you're hurting yourself more. When you can just let it go and you'll be free, right? You know what I like you even more for me personally than maybe that line was the line where they were like the next line where she was like, but you know, if people just do these terrible things and they're forgiving than how do they, you know, correct those I forget exactly what she says and he's like you're going to have a lot of times to be angry in your life. You're not going to have as many times to love here come the tears again. Sorry, India are here. Thank you. Did - you're amazing but to hear her, you know, he's like young people think these opportunities to love are going to continue coming and sometimes they are and they just don't so like this is your he doesn't say this part it this is me saying my schpeel at this point. But like this is her father. She's going to have a lot of opportunities to get angry like Bruce said and You know not many times to truly love and to spread love because that's how she feels because that's how the world works. A lot of people make you angry. So I was like Bruce you are literally teaching me right now because it was just such an important moment and that's what really made her be like I am going after my dad and I wanted to be here and I want to be around him. Yes. I was I actually thought Yeah, um, I honestly thought Bruce had been abducted by aliens for a moment. He just like it was so poetic and so perfect and just it was like the Bruce that we haven't seen for a rowing. I mean not that we had seen that Bruce ever registered everything that looks like the eloquent and wise and charming and lovely Bruce that we've never seen ever, right? Yeah. That was amazing even jumping in the pool. I was like Oh hilarious. I know everyone else was probably so worried. But like the way he winked and was just like all of it. It was it was it was it was great. It was great it literally so perfect. It brought the whole family together. Oh my gosh, and when you see, you know dysfunction like that and and and and it's been that way like because of Noah's transgressions because of Helen being the way she was because of the grandparents. Yeah, but now they treated Ellen, I mean it trickles down hill right? Um, I want to double back because I mean we might use again, but this is when Helen I just want to say one thing. I thought I was in a way really poetic to that. It was Bruce just because of how he was the person in so much of this whole series that was always against Noah against everything that he was the fact that he was going out on a limb going off a ledge, whatever we want to call it. So that Whitney could go towards her dad. I thought that was also a beautiful thing. That's amazing. I love that point I did right about now that's amazing know it is and I feel like just to even add on to that. I'm Steven out on that. There's that's what's again. So dope about this finale. Yeah is that not only is their closure but it's like look I did you bad. So I'm going to be the person that helps you better do said I'm saying, yes, and we see that like time and time again, even even with with with Noah is the one that's talking to Johnny. Yeah like that whole situation The fact I mean, it's just so much that's tied together. Yeah, and we see that even even oh, I'm not even going to even when I want to say anything even say to us. So even when Sasha since those flowers, yeah, right and and how we see that the flowers is how Noah hid away I'm saying like, oh my God. That's a very good point exactly it is. I'm amazing while we have the music playing I need to dwell into Helen and Noah. This is what I thought you were going to say and I'm not ready for as you can tell we have to do this because this was a pinnacle. This was probably to me. Yeah, the most important part of this whole episode and I just want everyone to know that we had to Find a few times because lime needed to do happy dances. So FYI absolute for literally. Yeah, like able to film it because it was so magnificent. Yeah, as you know, I've been a proponent of Helen and Noah getting back together. Yes true. And so we see Helen right have this moment and what's interesting is I'm like, why is the camera on her for so long? Yeah because she's standing there, you know, everything is going on right? She tells me Eaton to dance with her sister because no was not there and the cameras just honored like for about almost 10 seconds. Yeah, and I'm like, this is a long she was part of a suit, right but we needed to see that because we needed to see the products. We needed to see the processing and what was going on. Yeah and how she was feeling like look I love this man. Yeah. I need to go to this man. Yep. I need to show him this Flashdance. But also I need to show him my heart. Do you understand? Do you understand? Yeah, I did. I was with you a hundred percent Lum. She walks over she walks over and he over to him. Oh, wow. He's there all I had he's there and he's reading this book which I loved I loved that. He was right. Yeah. I love that which which I'm gonna go on a limb, but I think the connection of that and the book that he was reading at the End by his daughter. Yeah, just saying just saying, I think there's a connection I forgot to say Putting it out there. So then we'll know so then she goes to him and what are you doing here? And she's like I got to show you this video. Come on exhale right. Would you like a pringle keeps right? You want to bring I want a pringle actually. Yes. I want more than a pringle. So they talk and Helen and Noah and one thing is what I love about this scene is no Elisa. Yes. Finally. He listened very precious least angry. He was not a good listener. Honor for the entire show. I agree. It was not a good listen. He just and envy did come one ear out the other. Yeah, and it would just do what he wanted to do. But he listened he wanted to say something. Yeah, but he just listened and she just poured out her heart and she just told him this is how I feel. Yes. I love you. Excuse me. Wait on island. Just want to come again. Yes. I love you. Yeah, and that's what I pause. Yeah, right go again from them tells tells him how she feels and then they slow. Dance and then the whole point of him saying like we did this thing where you know, wish I could know what you're thinking about. I knew it. I knew his face had make out really getting closer to your mouth. But listen listen to me, listen, listen, listen it the whole point of him not just wanting to kiss her but wanting to be with her in that moment. Yeah, like it was more than because we see knowing we he's kissed a lot of people. Oh, yeah, this was different. This was different. Oh, yeah. This was showing like I receive your love and I give my love back. Oh, yeah. I went. You know, I think it was as even more in this moment to is because of the fact that he wasn't just like okay. She's here. She's going out on a limb. She's telling me that she loves me but it's because he was like, we've done a lot to each other we hurt each other a lot. Yes. I don't know if it can work the fact that he still said that and wasn't afraid to say it. Knowing that like she's probably not going to fully receive that well means even more because she doesn't react in a way that Helen would have reacted in the past. She reacts in a way as like I hear you. I see you I'm being present here because she Helen and the past would have gotten angry and would have been like are you kidding me? You're saying this now, but she doesn't this is this is the thing right before they dance. He says even if we love each other it it mean that we're good for each other and I crushed me in that solvent. Yes. Yes. Yes, it crushed me as well and I'll tell you why of course all of us because we all secretly want them. Not me openly. Yeah, you secretly maybe nothing back together. Absolutely at this point you okay for wanting to be back together and he's almost stifling like no no, no. No, even if we love each other I understand I saw your love but doesn't mean that were meant for each other and then in that same moment the dance happens and all of that comes Down all the guard. Thanks down Soul. Are you come down? I think it was important for him to say that too because in a way, I think he he needed that much more validation that this is something that she really wanted. Yeah. So I think he needed to feel that because you know, he already has put himself on the line a couple times for her. Yeah, and she's been kind of resistant to it. And so I think he was in a way of testing the waters to protect his own heart still, right? Yeah, and so just wow that whole thing was a Yeah, that was a doozy. Yes. If obviously fast-forwarding a little bit to the end but just because it's very relevant to them and the scene of him at the very end. You know you wonder because I said when we were watching what he's talking to Joe Neo at the lobster roll was like oh God, he's not wearing a wedding ring and in chat last week and in a lot of our comments on YouTube a lot of our viewers, which we are so appreciative appreciative. Of course thought no they're not going to be too. Whether it's too easy meaning Noah and Helen, so I was like, oh gosh, did they just give us this and then are we just going to guess and even even with that? I was like, I'm not upset about that. Like I'm willing to be like, I think they end up together, maybe something happened, whatever sure but the fact that you know, he has this moment Noah who we've seen the a very selfish person and the past. I mean, that's the number one thing and having an affair is being selfish, of course whether the love Of we think the love was real of course, but to see him still be present with Helen who is no longer alive at the end and the fact that we are like, wow, we're okay with this Abit, you know people ever everybody does so it's something that you have to deal with but the fact that he's sitting there at her grave reading their daughters book to him just means so much because it means he came full circle just like we said he's not this selfish. Person that he was before Noah is old but like he be doing anything else but yet he's still working on the lobster roll and he's still going to visit Helen every day. It just means so much because that is some True Mother truck and love right there. It really has. Yes. No, absolutely. And and I the way it ended when we see, you know him like you said reading the book and then we get up and obviously no. No, I mean, that wasn't Ain't no buildup. Yeah, that's bad English grammar. It wasn't a buildup in the sense that we knew it was Helens grave. Exactly. Did you I'm kind of no II just had a Morales just because you know, I didn't think it was either but like I made sense for it to be great. Yeah, and because they're together. Yeah, and that's the point like you were making it's like wait do they and we got he doesn't have a ring because I was thinking prior to That scene at the end. It was like wait. I'm thinking when he's talking to Johnny. I was expecting Helen to come on. Hey like old Helen. Yeah, and they're together working the lobster roll together. Yeah, we didn't see that. So I'm like, okay, we have to have closure with Helen. Yeah, and that's where the graveside happens and he's reading to her and so I'm like, okay, I got it. I got it. What is that like my love and all that? I kind of yeah it gave it away you gave it away. Yeah, but the fact that he was she was also buried with her parents. Yeah, and and that's another thing the same time. Your mom danged. Yeah, exactly. I know that one thing, right and I saw that and I was like, okay, I don't want to put too much into it. But I'm just assuming that it's you know, just just what happened. Yeah, but and I was telling you all this before the fact that we see Noah at the End by himself and he's dancing. Oh my God, it's like him being free In This Moment again because of everything that he went through a lot of it. Of inflicted but him being free at the very end of this entire story and also at the same time that's when we see Johnny going to her family. Yeah and reconciling with her husband right kids because of what Noah's head turns actly exactly. So not only did he get free she got free as well. And I think it's just a great tie-in to the story and to see how it all ended up. You just amazing. It was just amazing. It was beautiful. It was the greatest. I thought well the last big comedy Moment I think was when Whitney halted all the kids from seeing her parents not. All right. Yeah, thank God. That was a man a the top of the cake. Yeah. That was a very poignant again closure with I think the whole family sure. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, I agree. I agree Applause for Applause for the series finale Applause. Yes. I want to shout out to people in chat right now because they're loyal viewers who? Been with us since the beginning. Oh gosh, this is probably what makes you the most sad honestly because we are genuinely going to miss our viewers. We are working on getting on another show TBD don't be worried in January all three of us together, but we love communicating with y'all and I've had such a great time communicating with all of y'all Christopher Leo Daniels, Lori Haskell re Ayala Justina Joanne chromium key, there's so many and obviously we can't say All of you, but Cheryl list you all of these names are so familiar and we feel like we know you because of this show and it's such a good thing as a show to be able to come together and like really communicate with people in that sort of way. Yeah, Sarah tream just everybody. I knew you. Yeah. I actually liked your third scream like to my tweet tonight y'all I got so excited. I screamed watching it. I retweeted her tree. Her treat her tweet and she liked it. I got really really really excited. Oh, yes, um so much happening, but we obviously as a pale, I'm just genuinely genuinely want to thank everybody for watching with us because it has been such a great, you know, five years ish-200 cating with everybody. I just can't believe we literally mean April then I've known you for five years know I've been doing the show you guys that time we needed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great show. No, I mean, I think that I'm excited to see what happens. I Sarah trim is working on any other projects. I'd be I'd love to know what they are. She's working on a it seems like it's going to be a miniseries or shorts or I think I did see that on IMDb. Okay. She's working on something but it seems very unlikely. Magneto in a way right now. I mean there's something on IMDb but it's it's mysterious anyone on the show. I want to sit I want to see whatever they're doing. Absolutely surgery once said that Maura Tierney and Dominic West should always work together because they're so amazing on together and they truly are everyone on the show. They're just great talents not just you know the actors but also, of course the writers The Producers everyone on the show. Yeah. I just I definitely want I mean the acting was great but the writers in this particular episode solid such a great job you gotta do Do a lot to make us really feel this way and to make it, you know, people say you don't want to end a show in the way that you know, people want to this is how and why you do it because why be disappointed why there's no there's no lesson learned. I learned so much from this tonight and it's exactly what I wanted and what I needed even if you know, maybe it's not the magical way that we would have gotten there before. I think I'm with you though. I think it was it was how it should have ended. It was a very very wise choice because I think now we'll all kind of reflect back on this whole show and truly will see see this major arc for this this character who was so not so great and who became this, you know, I mean, we all were watching that final scene. It was like, yeah. Oh God here come the tears again. Yeah. No, it was good. It was good. I shout out to everyone on the show. It was amazing. Definitely. Lee I agree probably the best series finale at least the top yeah, I've seen absolutely amazing amazing amazing amazing. We don't want to say by clearly see what we are going to kick us out of here time to go. Yes everyone. Thank you so much as April said all the fans that have stuck with us not just this particular season, but all the seasons we appreciate it. I have been your host limb Gonzalez and yeah. You for watching the fair after show. You can find me everywhere at limb gonsalves. Also check out my website stay on the mic.com and look out in January because we are trying to be together and keep this party going. Yeah, you can find me everywhere at the else in Dean's. Thanks again to everyone out there and to Echo what Lem said we will see you again y'all? Yes. Apparently. I'm a child and he can't stop crying but it's time. I'm a policeman. Thank you all so much for joining us. I am on the how to get away with murder and The Walking Dead show. In the meantime. You can catch me there at April wasn't and everywhere else on social media and hopefully all the gang back together again. I was going down. We'll see you. Your favorite TV shows, whatever your grave we've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup buzz you later. You've expressed herein are those of the whole solely not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV. Where's owners are Krishna.
It is the series finale! *cue thug tears* Watch Alison, Lem and April break down the entire final epsiode of the series. Whitney gets married and find resolution with her mother and father, Joanie finds out the truth about her mother, EJ reveals his tru indentity, and Noah and Helen end up together in the very end. One of the best series finale's ever!! The Affair After Show: Join our hosts on THE AFFAIR AFTER SHOW as they explore the emotional and psychological effects of two affairs on the Showtime series. Each week we recap, review and analyze in-depth as Noah and Alison impact the people in their lives - from husband to wife to all the way down to the kids. Plus we’ll have inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT THE AFFAIR: The Affair explores the emotional and psychological effects of an extramarital affair. The drama will be told separately from the male and female perspectives using the distinct memory biases to both misdirect and intrigue. "The Affair" explores the emotional/psychological effects of two affairs. Young diner waitress Alison and her husband, rancher Cole, are struggling -- personally and financially -- in the wake of tragedy. Noah, a settled teacher and would-be novelist, is summering at his in-laws' Hamptons estate with his wife, Helen, and four kids. When Noah meets Alison, they begin an affair. For her, he's a welcome escape; for him, she's a pretty distraction. But, the tryst eventually ends two marriages -- one that was already a bit shaky, the other that was on solid ground. 