Welcome to season 2 episode 2 of the offset podcast today. We'll be talking with dr. Ben and dr. Donald from kinetic impact about their origins in the health and fitness industry the roles of chiropractic medicine and sports performance and much much more. So without further Ado, let's count it off.Hello offset Med listeners. We are with dr. Benjamin Deluca. And dr. Donald mole who are doctors of chiropractic medicine at kinetic impact and also the backstage therapist for the Beyond Babel crew. It's your host Aaron. We've got this super super special episode with you guys. So yeah if dr. Donald and dr. Ben if youKick ass off on this episode. Yeah first I'd like to thank you guys all for tuning in and I'm losing my voice. So bear with me. I'm not a 75 year old woman, but I may sound like one today. How's it going guys? I'm dr. Donald. Thank you guys for having us. Thank you guys for having us and thank you guys for listening awesome. So if you could give our listeners kind of like a brief introduction about you mean it could be from education work experience your personal accolades, whatever you want throw in there. Yeah. Yeah sure. I'll get started. So again, dr. Donald mole. My education background is University of Laverne in Starting in high school. I was always interested in science has back then it was more so chemistry. I think the major reason is because in those formative years if you like the teacher that teaches the course you like the subject so chemistry was I was just really into chemistry in the high school and I decided I got recruited by University of Laverne to play football and that's where I went to my To get my undergrad and I went in as a chemistry major soon realized I did not want to be a pharmacist and I didn't really want didn't like the idea of pushing drugs wasn't for me. So I changed my major into Kinesiology and that's what I ended up majoring in was Kinesiology. I was always interested in how the body moves and how it interacts of being an athlete myself. I'd it just really interested me and allowed me to stay into the realm of science. Um and then fast forward to my graduation time, I had spent a lot of time with football dedicated to football and after that road ended I was kind of like what am I going to do? Next life kind of did the whole hit you in the face thing? So I switch gears and wanted to be a fireman because really I just wanted to get that locker room and tality back. I was missing the game. I was missing being bald. And in a group of a lot of people and with that camaraderie aspect, so I went into EMT training. I did EMT quickly realize that wasn't for me mainly because of the the deaths and the tolls that I saw from the family members right matters spec for any of the First Responders out there just quickly found it wasn't for me and it led me into wanting to prevent people from being on the gurney rather than I'm carrying them out on the gurney so that took me to wanting to be actually physical therapist first spoke to one of my former teammates in college and he was actually going through a doctor and Chiropractic program and told me to look into it and the biggest difference for me was the ability to be a primary care physician as a doctor of Chiropractic. For those of you don't know typically for to see a PT. You have to get a referral from an orthopedic surgeon. The norm or an position of some sort and I like the idea of not having to have that script being written to me. I like the idea of being the first person that comes see if they do have back pain if they do have knee pain. I like I like that aspect. So I went and got my doctor and Chiropractic in this where I met this guy. So yeah, so my story is way different. Yes it is, but it's still awesome. So coming out of high school. I had almost no And right so he didn't want to push drugs legally. I didn't want to push drugs illegally, but I didn't really have a direction that I wanted to go. But I always did like working out and exercise and I was passionate about it. It's kind of a wayward soul. I started working in the fitness industry in the year 2000. So most of you guys were probably barely alive what were some of the places that you got started. Oh, man, so I originally in 2000 I got started at 24 Hour Fitness. I left there opened up my own training Studio left there started just moving up in the fitness industry. I was running Jim's I was like a regional manager by the time I left I never stopped working with people. So I had even when I was at a higher level of position in management, I always kept a few clients towards the end of my career there. I would end up getting like referrals. I get referrals from like orthopedic surgeons. Are you referrals from different kinds of people and they're like, hey, Why don't you take a look and I think you can work with this person and they would send them over with a diagnosis and a whole bunch of words. I didn't understand and they're like fix them and most the time. I I did pretty good. Like I didn't hurt them. So that was like the main goal. I didn't make them worse and a lot of times I got better and then I hit a point where you know, I'm going to go back to school. I got my bachelor's degree while I was working full-time that was in business management at the time and I have a whole laundry list of you know acronyms after my name that don't really matter. I'm a million different kinds of certifications and I was getting this demographic and I was really thinking I'm going to work with this population for these people. I need to know more. I need to be more prepared. I need to get more knowledge. And at the same time I was also tired of really working for people being told what to do how to do it had my own ideas. I'd rather do something and completely fail on my own then do something and fail under guidance. I didn't agree with and Chiropractic made a lot of sense to me. I'd worked with the chiropractor personally that helped me get through several different injuries I had And I finally hit this point where I'm either going to do it now, or I'm never going to do it. And so I went back to school got my doctorate when I was 33. It's never too late. So yes, I graduated it. Whatever age that is 30 36 36, you might have been 37. Hey, take it easy there. Yeah, so that was that was kind of a brought me to this and along the way I met dr. Donald in school and we immediately well, actually he helped me get through the first year. I had no idea how to study right like I hadn't been in school setting since I was basically in high school my bachelor's I pretty much And all online so sit down in the class and being told what to do after being like a regional manager. I was used to walking into places and people act busy. No one did that for me anymore. So the it was a big culture shock and I had no idea how to study and this guy really helped me get get through those initial processes, but then we started to realize we had this huge passion for the same kind of stuff. We had a huge passion for even like changing what people think of as a chiropractor and how we did our They're in our approach and then rest is history. Yeah, it comes very kind of Blends right into our next question. You know, what was forming kinetic impact like or what has been that that process been for you because you guys serve a very unique population and you have your own unique philosophy unlike what is chiropractic medicine how you serve and treat your patients. Yeah, that's like two questions. So the first like how we formed kinetic impact We knew coming out of school. We wanted to work together. But at the same time we were both getting pulled in two different directions. Like dr. Donald had huge opportunities. He was really sought after there's a lot of people that wanted to bring him into their fold that wanted him to go work for them and be an associate at the same time. I was looking at different options and there's a day on the phone. I called him, you know, we'd recently graduated. We were both working with different places. And I described the situation that we could happen. Like we can work directly on this weight room floor, which is a very unique environment and I think we'll be able to crush it will be able to build our business will be able to do whatever you want to do and he's like I'm in and within like two weeks he moved down from like the LA area to here. Yeah, and we started with two portable tables in the corner of a strength and conditioning facility, and we just built our entire Base organically Word of Mouth Mmm Yeah, it's actually started even when we were in school. I think the philosophy to touch on the philosophy question. I think that's really what attracted us to each other we heat with him having the background of so much personal training and strength coaching me having the opportunity to work with my strength coach who is wonderful strength coach as well as the athletic training staff that we had at University of Laverne is was top-notch for division three, I think our philosophies were so different in comparison to a lot of what people think of Chiropractic and as well as some of the students who are in at least our cohort viewed as Chiropractic, so we had such a different philosophy in terms of how we can create such change with with movement and teaching. For how to move and move better and take their health care into their own hands and give them the tools to to become better right was different than what you would expect it. I'm gonna ask you this when you guys hear the term Chiropractic. What do you think of? I feel like in my perspective at least you know, the typical like first thought process is like chiropractor. I can go for like back pain if I want to go get adjusted, right? Yeah adjustment, right? That's that's like the shingle or the the tool that they hang their hat on right? You'll see clearly see that the adjustment can be very powerful, right? It can be a solution at a certain percentage of people, but it's just a small piece of the equation. Right Movement is huge and then also to you typically don't want your people to self adjust. So what you going to do if I can adjust you and what are you going to do if the adjustment that do anything that happens right? So just how you said and you're exposed to a lot of stuff your Viewpoint when you hear the term chiropractors you think about getting your neck or back cracked right? Like you think it like a supposed to sound like a crack, but that's what you think of in for us. You know, like if you were to watch us work my goal is that you don't know what I am. Yeah, like I like I like I strength coach wait. Wait, is that a massage therapy? Wait, see you now flick trainer. I don't know. He's a chiropractor someone just something you don't know in my experience is when you start learning more and you start finding out like the guru's of your industry the guru's of movement. The title just Fades that just becomes about like knowledge and passion in research. So at that point, that's how we want to practice. So yeah, I'm proud of my education. I'm proud to say I'm a chiropractor, but if you watched me do my thing you wouldn't fully know. I think that's a sign of a if you are in the movement seen whether you're a physical therapist or an ATC or even a an orthopedist to an extent. You don't know what they are. Because they're just applying the best practices in the best Concepts available. Yeah, I think I want to piggyback off that because you know me being out of school for that too long and working with a lot of students. They really get tied up on trying to make the right decision or like the right career path. What's going to what's going to allow them to practice they way the way that they want to practice. So I think it's super great that hearing you guys you have all these credentials that I do the stuff that you do, but But he's moved beyond that. I think it's really important. And and again the go back that the big thing that is why I wanted to be a doctor of Chiropractic the debility to diagnose my own patients. It was huge my ability because you kiss up I'll give you a classic example. I can't tell you how many people come in with a what they believed to be a hamstring injury right like a hamstring tear or like their hamstring feels really really tight and they've been In their hamstring treated for whatever and it's not getting better and on further investigation. It's a herniated disc and that hamstring that they feel is a neural tension or tightness from the sciatic nerve and it's like, oh, well, it's stop stretching and irritated nerve and let's start doing this and then you get results and we never once touched the hamstring and you never once had to adjust that lumbar spine never once that and then also too if I was in a traditional Paradigm and you send me somebody as a say a physical therapist or if you're in like the traditional model and you send them over for a hamstring injury. I have to treat the hamstring injury because that's what the piece of paper says. Mmm and their bodies tell me something totally different. So I don't want to be handcuffed to that. Yeah, that's awesome guys. So I'm going to go ahead and kind of likes which lends a little bit. How did You get involved working with dancers and Performing artists, you know, we know that you were able to do some work with keone and Mari is production at Beyond a level. So that's like such a unique and crazy experience which I think that's how we ended up getting connected from from senior exposure with that. Yes, I'll take the initial part and then I'll let him let him talk some actually really smart guy. You guys want to hear what he has to say, but it really started. Really organically, right? So keone and Mari were working with Nia fam as a strength and conditioning coach. I've known had a personal relationship for him for years massive amount of respect for him. And he is a he Blends a lot of different things with what he does a lot of therapeutic stuff and really knows how to period eyes athletes and he was working with them and I contribute a lot of their success physically. Yes to what he's done in the principles that he supplied with him. But that's how we met them. They essentially were working with him. We share the same space as him. He we actually work out of his space and he introduced us. Hey they have this going on. Do you mind taking a look at this? And we said sure So we started working with them and then we just started working with them individually. And then I remember when they were talking about a the concept right before this was even outcomes before this was even out before it was an even show. We started to talk to them a little bit about like do you think this is some we can bring more to the dancers? Could we set something up where we could work with like your whole crew when this goes into production and that's how that all started. Yeah it like he said we started working with Nia directly and without getting too much into details for HIPAA compliancy purposes. We would notice some some easy. A mechanical fixes to some some some issues that were going on for for certain amount of time, right and whenever you look at an an active individual, there's some very important things you want to look at in regards to acute versus chronic load, right? So what I mean by that is your chronic load is essentially your body's capacity to take whatever demand that you're trying to put on it. So that happens over time hence the chronic part, right? So at that happens over months right how much load they can take over months at a time versus what they've been doing for maybe weeks or days up to that pain that they've been feeling that's a cute part. So that acute to Chronic ratio is super important to look at as well as the passenger. He's and the demands that they're going to be placing in the future, right? So just co-managing with Nia through their process. And and giving him the tools to work with them to a better capacity as well as gift as well as getting Hands-On and and treating them that that kind of opened the door and for us to understand and treat dancers and understand their demands and and and understand their their workloads and dancers are no different than any other athlete. So if you ever if you ever read any of the and this is actually one thing that we try to really reinforce with the dancers that we work with is I don't actually even Call them dancers. I usually refer to him as dance athletes dance athletes and it's really important that they see themselves as an athlete. You're getting athlete injuries, right you're getting MCL. Sprain is you're getting shoulder impingements. You're getting torn ligaments to getting muscle tears. Sounds like you're getting athletic injuries. So you are an athlete you're in you're putting yourself under athletic demand and I think dancers sometimes need to see themselves and be in realize that they need to sit at the same table as a football player. They need to sit at the same table as basketball players. All the other sports that are out there. They have an equal spot at that table because Demand on their body. Yeah, I think this is exactly you know, what, Dancers and population really need to hear because they have to change that narrative for themselves. Right? Yes. It's that you know for too long, you know, the cultures always been like, you know, we're kind of just we're just here to do our art form. We're just here to dance but as far as the approach for those that are looking to really increase their performance, maybe make a professional career out of it and and I've seen this now with dancers who are basically dancing. Being either all season long or looking to do more training on top of their dance training. So I feel like you know when this art style was was first kind of like born and created. It was more of like a freedom of expression and now people are using it as a way of life monetizing it turning it into things that you know are by needs to recover from just like an athlete does. It's like anything else right? So you just look at the evolution of it the Howdy, we talked earlier but like a b-boy and breakdancing the physicality that's involved in that combined with the Precision. It takes to line up a gymnastic aerobic you needed muscle strength power explosiveness. You need to be able to be able to stop on a dime depending on what's going on and you need to be able to react to the music the be in the crowd right so that these elements are our that's what unique to dance but it is like anything else progresses the amount of athleticism starts to substantially increase, you know, everybody's going to up their game and that's what you see and that's essentially like what breakdancer be boys started office. Watch this. Boom. What do you got and they come out and you see something in your like. Oh, okay. I got to do something better than that and that competitive spirit and environment just / continually promotes and perpetuates. One more athletic Demand on somebody and same thing with other forms of dance. It's just the more extreme form. Yeah, definitely agree, you know where I want to go into a deep dive real quick. And is it cool if we kind of share the exercise you took the letter and I threw this morning was that trademark secretive. No. No, so let me just kind of explain like a how that starts so for one because dance is such a expressive art form combined with a training for Um, and a lot of people gravitate towards it they don't necessarily want to be in a weight room. Right? Like they don't enjoy that it's not like a it's not their thing. It's not an environment. They're comfortable one. You should get over that because you belong in the weight room, but to what we did with you guys for me is a way of combining like some traditional conditioning components with dance and what you guys smiling the whole time you guys feel like you were working. It was fun. Yeah. Yes, probably feel like you're working but you're not like, oh my God, yeah. You know, so like where the spirit of that came from was trying to go like well, how do we want dancers to like not look at this thing and be like listen because I have to do this. I want them to look at and go. Oh man. I look forward to doing this and I can see and feel how this is going to directly correlate into what we're doing. So what we did was one thing I like to do and I strongly suggest is not trademark, but if it is, you know, just you can send a dollar to now I'm sure you can find an agility ladder super easy to find you can find them anywhere. anywhere on the internet, they're usually like 30 to 50 bucks, but you can take traditional Agility Ladder moves learning those they're good to condition with four dancers, but you can combine that with Like Freestyle or you can combine it with a dance move or what? Do you call it? Like a dance Dance Movement phrase? Yeah phrase so you can take traditional strength and conditioning components and add a phrase into them and really make it more into what you're doing. And that's kind of what we did want. You describe how it was free. Yeah, so, you know from I'll take it a couple perspectives one from like, you know, just the pure I'm a dancer side and one of them can just like analyzing what I got out of it from like the dancer side. You know, they're having us kind of. Basically do like quick footwork, which was like, okay. Like I said, it's like a nice little Jilly drill get my like Calves wore my body move in and then been started like moving his hands and I was like, oh God, like I have to respond, you know and most from at least the ones who are really choreography scene, you know, everything is planned out right like you just like get to know what's coming up next when you add the reaction and reactivity of it and that's when your mind starts going and We reach that level where it's like. It's not challenging because the movements challenging it's challenging because like I have to actually engage and respond to you, you know, too many times. It's like someone gives you an exercise you just mindlessly go through it. So that was the the fun part of it. So I'm like now I have to engage with Ben and he's kind of making me move around and then as we go on we kind of just go through this progression where it's like, okay we started with this simple task and let me just layer on something more. Let me lay her on something more and then Eventually got to the freestyle portion which was super fun because it's like you're moving and then you're like dancing and then you move in with yeah, and then you're dancing but you're still engaged, you know, it's the Activity part part of it and so from like, you know, the movement side of things. I'm like, this is a really nice way to kind of layer on complexity and also add that like almost like gamification. Yeah exercise, right? Yeah, and I kind of look at it like this because again it is you are an athlete but you're also a Performing Artist. So I grew up playing a lot of my buddies were musicians. I'm not and I'm also a not a dancer like I look like a big white silverback. Gorilla. If you would see the person. I know you're picturing like a 75 year old woman with a sultry voice, but that's not what I look like, but my buddies that were musicians. They wouldn't make a little bit they would make a mistake playing guitar. Right there just like be playing guitar that make a mistake, but they're never I never heard the mistake. I totally missed this one part up and I'm like really what that made me realize was. It's not about your mistake when you're performing because it happens. It's about to recovery because you just bounce right back from that. No one knows you made a mistake or they thought you meant to do it. Right? So like that was kind of why I thought this reaction Parts super super important don't freeze. Go back to it, you know so doing that. It is really good. And then also to like you said you are doing a lot of repetitive monotonous stuff. Right? Like when your new when you are doing your choreograph. It's nice to be able to get back and just be free for a minute, you know and and have that as part of what you're doing. It's awesome. I know all of you have anything to add on that. Yeah, and I and like the movement standpoint. It's like hey you touched on it's a true progression of you have that. Instance of learning a new movement in terms of the ladders like figuring out the ladders like what does this mean and in a sense? That's a bit controlled right? It's predictable. It's it's not as complex as when you start adding a little chaos, right, which is the reaction. I'm going to tell you to go this way then that way and and that's huge in any sport. Right if you if you look at any sport, even if it's Cory choreography choreography. It's a hard word to say. It's even if it's choreography, right if something something happens that you're not prepared for. How are you going to bet? Ya its back? That's the gamification that you were talking about. Especially when you're coming back from an injury that can be incredibly Amplified as the oh crap moment of man. I just messed up. Am I? Okay. Am I going to break you have to be able to get into the sense of challenge mode outside of your comfort zone and you have to introduce Asks, if you want to get back to the sport at hand, you have to introduce chaos or or it's a guessing game and you it's our profession. We can't rely on a guess. We have to know that this person is ready and with that chaos, it allows us to see how are they going to react in this scenario? So to kind of like make this a longer story what you did was actually how we so we were given a task right with a keone and Mari there. They said you guys have thought there was a lot of trust there. They're like you need to let us know and dancers can come back and you have you can pull dances. So we were always a bad guy right because imagine being part of that production and I tell you like you're out for this length of time. So we're that whole concept came from was I was trying to figure out like how does how do I create a return to play for dancers and dancers are like they want to dance right? So they'll be like, I'm fine and I'm Your face is telling me something else. So the reason that I wanted to do that was you guys know choreography. So you got I don't know your choreography. So I'll be like show me your show me a piece and you can show me a piece and you can kind of fudge through it. But with this drill I get to see how well you're moving when I tell you to Freestyle I can see what's happening and how actual ready you are because once your freestyle and you just start moving and I can see are they still injured on that freestyle or are they not? So it was originally developed for us to figure out a good way to go return to play. Like if they can do this on with the ladder and they can do this with the dance and they can perform this piece. Then we're good. And the thing that was really interesting that I think we do and I don't know if we do it differently, but it was something that We Came Upon was we're trying to get the make sure that they can perform. Our number one responsibility is that you the dancers can be there, you know, and if we see an injury where it's like ideally this injury is going to take three weeks to recover from Well, the performance has three weeks left that's not ideal for anybody. So we would watch the choreography. I'd be like, can you find one specific aspect or one thing within the choreography that's hurting you right now. So I'd go through, you know, 30 minutes sometimes five minutes sometimes other choreography and then boom we would nail the like one motion or movement that was hurting him. And I'd look at that and go. Okay. Can you do that like this not find like a more biomechanically efficient way to try to stay in the Beard at the dance but decrease pressure or stress on the area that was injured and probably like at least half the time we were able to find a solution the other half of the time I would be like this is biomechanically more efficient and I'd be like, yeah it is but it doesn't look right, you know some like little scratch that that's not good. Maybe you can still perform. We just take this one small piece out of the show. Where are you in the show? Sometimes I'd be talking to keone and Mari or going Okay. Well where they at in the show when this is going on are they in the front are they in the back or where they need to be in the scene can this come out and by having that you know open communication with them allowed us to keep people in for really great length of time because we're just finding the pain generator removing it and then they're able to do because it was only one. It was one percent of what they were doing our five percent of what they were doing that would have made them have to sit for a hundred percent of the show. So if we remove that 5% of paint or problem they can still get through. The other 95% of what they need to be able to do show goes on did you find that some of them were really fearful about kind of bringing those things up? Like I have to modify. I have to like change this choreography. Like I can't perform at like my full best and I don't want to tell I guess the directors or us are like health care providers in fear of being like removed or sat down because that's something I've encountered. Yeah sooner go ahead. I think the and a general sense like there's always that like fear of telling somebody because you don't want them to know but I think that the culture that was created in that scene made everybody much more comfortable with telling us what's going on because they knew they knew we had an open line of communication with keone and Mari and we were going to find out a way for that for what's best for them. Right? Maybe it may not be Perform the next day, but we're going to find a way what's best to prioritize to get you back as fast as possible for as long as possible. And I think that culture set up a great environment for communication. Yeah, and some of its explaining it to them. It's like we all want like instant gratification. We all want to you know, you sound like you're out tomorrow or you're going to miss this many performances. Like your hearts going to sink you're going to be upset but I go. Hey, here's the deal. You can perform if you perform the next three days. There's a good chance. You're going to be out the next three weeks. If we take these next three days off and focus on this stuff, you're going to be in only gone for three days and you're going to have all the rest of this time that you're going to be able to be back out there and perform and I think you could get them to see that big small picture and if you're able to communicate that them to them in the right way, they would jump on board because They could their hurt to write, you know, when you're hurt, you know when it's like I don't I actually don't know if I can if I can do that, you know or what is the toll going to be so I think when they would see that perspective, right? It was huge. Yeah, I think it's a combination of understanding both perspectives because in our perspective it's always about that the athlete as a human what is in their best interest as a human and in their perspective, it's I want to perform and I want to do my best. I don't want to let the team down. I want to get out there and I want to show out and if you can meld those two and understand their side of things and and word it like, dr. Ben said in a way that's very open to them. That that is how you break down that barrier. And then also when you're assessing them, there's certain things that they a lot of times what they can do and they can do really really well. So it's like all right, you know this one thing that we're going to take out this is it usually usually it wasn't like A big part of what was going on? Like it usually wasn't like overly dramatic, you know usually wasn't like the seat hinged on it, you know, the phrase hinged on it. So also emphasizing like hey on this one part that is his pain free and you're killing it like kill it right there, you know, so you'd also give them the opportunity to still like shine. Mmm, you know, so as you're taking away stuff you're emphasizing other things out there that they can. Do really really well and that can be like a Hallmark or piece of their performance that they can really really focus on you know, and not just worried about this one little thing that again it would be like the guitarist like Miss strumming one chord, but catching up real quick. You don't notice it's not going to affect the whole performance. I mean, that's so that it hits like home for me cuz you know in my past experience and working with other dancers to you know, maybe it's types of conversations or thoughts at the The head from working with like other people that may not understand what they do and they get so caught up on like what they can't do right not on what they can and not on what they can so it kind of like disempower them and make some really fearful and that just sets up like that uphill battle for them to when they're trying to rehab back to Performance. You know, it's it's that mental component as well as the the physical component that is like preventing them from achieving what they need to do. We only do focus on making our weakness. Has stronger but not to the point that your strengths become weaker. Mmm. Yeah, and not to the point to where your weaknesses become a detriment from just trying to just nail those weaknesses home, right? That's when you start getting to that repetitive injury type of stuff is like I just need to nail this down till I'm blue in the face. Alright, so my arm falls off like more is always better and I can I can say this from school where I was trying to learn. I'm like, I'll just read this 4,000 times in a row where I'm just reading words and then I'm like, I'm actually losing my ability to understand the human language because I'm reading these words somebody X right. So I think same thing happens with the movement like oh no, I'm just going to pound this thing in there. It's going to get better and it's just getting worse, you know, so like having the ability to step away from that and go do something else and develop something that makes you better and then when you go back to that you'll be better at it. I agree. I be so we're gonna win a do another deep dive what one last thing before we dive down there. I also have got to say it's not just what we do. It's being able to work again keone and Mari. I cannot express the concern that they have for their dancers and what they want for them to get out of being a part of their crew and them giving us the freedom to do what we need to do and having the strong lines of communication with us. So it does, you know, the the people that are Cory, you know doing the choreography the people that are at the heads of these Productions it needs to start at the top with that culture and creating that because like you said our dancers fearful, they're not fearful of me. They're fearful of of that environment. So creating an environment that can take away that fear is extremely important. Right? And I think that is it goes right into the next topic. Eric so well is that you know directors choreographers as I'm speaking in reference to the Collegiate dancing is that we really don't understand how to truly build a high performance culture, but we're really good at creating artwork creating dance pieces and like training other people how to do the dance, but we're that kicks Us in the butt. You know, a lot of people are termed with or know the term he'll weeks yes where it's just like. It just seems like a race to the finish the physical hazing much and I mean that's just one thing, you know, and that's kind of something. I wanted to get your two cents in on. How can we continue to bridge this gap between like sports performance and what we're currently seeing in The Stance community in The Stance culture, right? There's a lot of things and areas where we can learn and gain off for from Athletics. Yeah the collegiate Scenes actually one of the best opportunities to do this and I'll let Donald talk a little bit about it. But because the Collegiate dancing, you know when your performances are coming up, right? So, you know like when game day is and you know when your big performances are and you know when you're small performances are so you can take the periodization concept which is simple. It's basically your training a certain way for a certain length of time and again using intensities. To Peak at the right time. So why don't you take that and kind of run with it? It's like a loaded question. Yeah, I think it honestly starts with the mindset and accepting that as movers like dancers are athletes the the physical toll that they place on their bodies is tremendous and I use the analogy of The different style of dancing's really just different positions in a sport you have you have certain like skill position like I'll use football for example, because that's home base for me. But you have like your quarterback isn't going to train the same as your linebacker or your the big people on the team, right just like a b-boy won't necessarily trained the same as I contemporary style dancer, but they are all playing the same. Sport and and putting their body through tremendous the man's right and and that is an athletic environment to say the very least the demands that you're putting your body through our are extremely taxing. If you view it that way then the need and want for recovery and and peered ization becomes priority at that point. Yeah. Again, like if your will go back to the football analogy, if you're playing football, you're not doing your heaviest lifts and your maximum speed training during the season if you are stopped, yeah because you will injure yourself. They're going to have a pre-season training style. They're going to have a postseason training style. They're going to have an offseason training style and then they're going to have a during season string. In training style and all those things are based off Demand, right? So if you're going to be if you realize let's say you're dancing and you know, you got six weeks before your next performance and during that six weeks is when you're going to be able to get into the weight room. It's where you're going to make your big strength gains. It's where you're going to make your power gains during the season is when you're going to be able to to make like your small finesse repetitive touches, you know during that off Seasons when Move away from some of that repetitiveness and explore other motions because you're going to it's all going to come back you're going to you're going to get it also dancers, you won't forget how to dance if you stop doing something for a little bit and start doing something that you're just not you just won't what you'll find is as soon as you get back out there within a week all the rest knocks off and you're moving better than you ever have. That's that's typically what happens. So it's that fear right the fear of if I don't dance every single day as hard as I can it's going to go away and it's just not it's in your blood for either. One for you. Is it going to go away now actually took off dance for like two years my left for Ohio and now I'm back on a dance team. So it means the rest is real like you have to get over that. I think it's more like self-doubt than anything but then you know, if you're training consistently like I'm still in good shape and I was able to get back into it pretty quickly. And I think like what's the traditional sports do really well is they separate skills training versus fundamental strength and conditioning training? Really well and what they do with strength conditioning they take components of whatever that demand is and then they place it on the body in a different way. Right? So you are getting better. But you're also allowing the body to take a break. So I think that is something that the dance Community can take away from in terms of traditional Sports Performance, right? I said traditional with air quotes. Yeah, yeah, so periodization the easiest way to understand that is just think of the term period like you're training for a period of time a certain way. So periodization would be training for a period of time a certain way to achieve a goal. For example, let's say I'm an Olympic sprinter, right and I'm training for the Olympics. You could train in such a way that you peek your fastest speeds prior to the Olympics because of the way that you train because of the way you train for a period of time because you trained in a way for a certain period that you peaked early. Does that make sense? Like the like the sprinters outrun the fastest times in the world? They don't always run the fastest times in the world. They're not always doing that. Not any given day. Is that going to happen? That is a culmination? Emanation of specific training for certain length of time leaving up to a Peak Performance in that moment, right that does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, and it could be to go back to the Sprinter analogy. There could be a point in time where they run their their goal their sport is the hundred meter dash but certain point of their training. They're only working off the blocks for 20 meters running running that form off the blocks for 20 min. Years and then as the season goes on you progress and and you start working on more of a complete picture. I think the way to put it more physical for our listeners is like, you know Red Bull BC One is like a big breaking competition, right? So I'll just use you Dylan. For example, say you're trying to nail your 2000s, which is like you're spinning on two hands and trying to get I mean, we're all you know, one hand your other hands gripping. The other hand but you're trying to get your rotations and you may not be able to get six rotations in on every given day. But you can try and create an optimal environment and like program to have you get your 6 pins that day that day or that time frame with that, right? Yeah, because if you're just trying to get six pins in every single day, you could you know, where out your carpal bones, you know, you could you can end up with a wrist injury and then you're getting no spins in that day, right, you know because you're doing that so it's like Right. What can I do to maintain my wrist Mobility maintain the strength that I'm going to need in my shoulder without going through the higher-risk motion, which would be the spin right? You only have so many spins in you to for something breaks down, right? And I think I want to highlight how you broke that down. Right? I think that's what strength conditioning does a very good job of is break down. What are the demands that he needs that wrist mobility and extension. He needs that shoulder strength. 'The how are ways that he can still attain that without putting the mileage on his body. Mmm. I think that's super duper important because we're getting this day and age right now where we're already talking about you Sports specialization in baseball for example, right but you know, there's a huge accounts and you know, trying to track mileage and velocity. Sure Rose and all that their knees by spin counts, you know, that's that's the thing like it counts pin counts for for all these younger kids that Getting into the the early trading Styles and you know really getting a lot of exposure from it. And so yeah, I think instructors choreographers directors, they need to be a little bit more responsible and understand like the research and evidence out there to really take care of their their dancer and I think there's a huge space for more research and evidence. I also don't think there's a huge body of work to support. To support the concept but it would make sense. Right? It should should carry over. Mmm. I agree. I agree awesome cool man. That was we went real deep we went in there. Alright, alright cool. So I just to kind of like really back in one of the biggest things that offset method is really prioritizing is kind of like bringing education to the community, you know having first-hand. I like working with these what I would call very high-level professional dancers. What are some of the things that you know, you may think is like, oh this is common knowledge basic stuff, but you're still having to educate them on and these are supposed to be the ones who are like performing at their best. So I'm going to start off with the most basic basic thing that I see that I see it in a lot of young athlete. Also one thing I want to emphasize to is like for all you younger athletes and younger dancers and people that are out there listening. Adding to this look for people like keone and Mari look for other dancers that have been doing it into their 30s 40s and Beyond and see what they do what are their secrets? Because they have the longevity. How are you able to in your 30s and 40s still show out at a high level right? And how how can you extend your career and you're going to find a lot of these guys have adopted those principles in there now back to that simplest. drink water drink water. I can't tell you how much I'll see someone get lightheaded pass out. Strain a muscle. No, Mike how much water have you had? They're like, oh man. I had four cups of coffee this morning. I was like right on that's no water diuretic. We're gonna bad a bad place. So simply like make sure your water consumption is good. I know that sounds basic but I would say like that's one of the that's a rookie move. Yeah, rookie move. You don't want to be in an audition and things go sideways because because you didn't have a you know, a couple glasses of water. That morning. Yeah, I would say it's kind of all ends of the natural recovery process. I see the lack in one hydration to is huge as sleep. Sleep is something for some reason in the in the dancers that we've worked with is is a rough one. Yeah, they'll laugh at your face if you like sleep. Yeah, like I understand you like dance some of the dance culture right like you're going to go out to it. Club and do here and do your thing, right? I get it. But at the same time like throw a little more water in there or a nurse a drink longer if you're going to be doing it a lot because it's not like I'm going to use me use an analogy if I go out and dance. Oh my God, I'm not either an artist or performer, but he's an artist with this Agility Ladder. Yeah, that's right. That's it's bad. But like, you know if you're out there if you're a dance athlete, When you're out there and you're in a club and you're getting after it and you're doing your thing in that environment for you, it's practice. Right? It's a place where you're practicing your skill set. It's not always a place that you need to be partying. Right like every night just because you're in a party environment for the people around you that aren't dance athletes for them. It's a party environment, but for you look at that is an opportunity to get better at your craft to get better at your skill. You don't need to be there to drink you need to be there to do what you do. Yeah, it's like that mentality that we talked about earlier that mindset. That athlete been mined so it's taking care of your body from that standpoint, right? Because that's a part of the culture. So so it's okay. I'm not saying don't don't have a good time. But just you're in an environment where it could be easy to have too many good times in a row and it could hinder things and then sleep is sleep is vital to any type of performance whether it's mental or physical. It's it's the way that your body legitimately recovers and restores the hormone levels. I think what you really want to know. Is there like some Some really cool exercises that you should be doing that are just going to like probably know your game up and make you awesome. Right? Like that's what you're looking for. Yes. That's it. Yeah, I can't I can't, you know core strength, right like you need to make sure you have really really good core strength hip control doing exercises to focus on like hip stability hip control ankle Mobility. I cannot tell you how important ankle Mobility is for a dancer and Mobility those areas are huge, you know, and then any of Any b-boys are guys that break out there, you know, a lot of times you can look at look at your body's you'll notice that like one side of your back is super yoked in the other side's not right. It's like that's an imbalance. That's a healthy and balanced were b-boy. You see that same kind of thing with a golfer like you're going to have one side of their body more hypertrophy or bigger. It's a normal response to an abnormal stimulus. Right? Like we're not walking around on our hands, especially On one side the reason you get that development is because we all favor one side, right? So if you're really good at spinning with that right hand down that left hands never coming down. I challenge you to become more ambidextrous balance some of those things out. If you're feeling pain in One Direction with a move simply try doing that similar move or Motion in the opposite direction and sometimes that will take away the pain. Awesome drop in Pearls of Wisdom. Yeah, right. So what are some of the I guess like future directions and plans for connect impact for the dynamic duo we have here. Yeah. So there's there's there's quite a bit of processes going on right now first and foremost. We want to grow our business or brick and mortar business and be able to help more people. Our community and hopefully be able to add on another doc to the equation as well as be a bigger online presence. And for those who can't maybe can't afford what we're doing or aren't in our area provide some solutions that they can have via online maybe online courses or or ebooks that that can help them with their pain solutions. And then I know we talked about getting together. To the corporate world as well. Yeah, I mean it all it all kinds of dives into what an area that I would really like to be more involved. It would be education. Right? So whether it be online courses or workshops, I would love to be able to get with some leaders of the dance Community sit down with them and discuss a workshop platform. That's not solely based on Dance skills. That that's also going to bring in some of these other things so initially We could do something like that for providers, right? Like other people that are interested in this we could also do it for people that are dancers. Like we had an intern that interned with us. That was also part of the Babel crew. I'm going to violate HIPAA and give it up tkj. I got was awesome part of the reason we were successful as we basically created a little drone of ourselves guy that was super interested. Wanted to do this for a living became passionate so we would He would be our eyes and ears when we weren't around. So he would be snitching on them sending us texts letting us know who's doing what if they're doing it so we could follow up the right way, but really like again if anyone's listening I wants to get together and brainstorm find us get ahold of us. Let's see how we can make this community better and longer. I don't see why any dancer couldn't dance into their 40s, right and you know, they are some of the most like genuine people Dad, you know we've ever met and they've welcomed us into their facility. We're out here at an Optimum training Optimum training performance. Awesome chain performance out here in San Diego. It's it's quite the sight like we're sitting up at this like nice Kush conference room. Overlooking some a volleyball tournament going on right now. There's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu man and a full-fledged strength increasing facility and they've got their own little niche corner. Where some magic happens, right? Yeah. So I really do encourage anyone listening to this like please get connected with us and let's really like kind of push something new something Innovative forward for for our communities, right? Yeah, we want to collaborate with the dance community and find solutions to help the dance Community grow and in terms of the performance side of things and terms of Of getting people to to dance for a longer time, you know and be healthy and the beautiful thing about it is for us, you know, like the reason I love the word answers are probably one of my favorite population of athlete if not my favorite population of athlete to work with and it's really because it's a creative process that I get to work with them like to you got to remember the way you hit a baseball hasn't changed that much since baseball first invented, but every single day there's a dancer. A new piece of choreography every single day. They're moving their body in a different way or different fashion. So it's so Dynamic it grows and so many different aspects that working with dancers is what allows us to create things that make things better for Dancers just gave me goosebumps. Yeah, it's it's interesting a lot of the stuff that we've created is usually where and again the dancer doesn't always know why I'm doing what I'm doing, but I'm having them go through different things and I'm finding out by watching. Him move or asking questions or having them do stuff what I then we'll need to take and build on and make something form. We need better starting at the high school level. We need more exposure. Like we need more stuff for them. They need places that they can go and train there's youth everything there needs to be youth conditioning programs for that. And I don't know if it's like maybe we create a program that is introduced to dance studios themselves and the dance studio start introducing it. I'm not really sure that the best way to do. This but let's figure it out. Yeah, let's figure it out. It's really just creating a ripple effect that hopefully turns into a big tsunami wave of education and information that allows dancers to to have the spotlight that deserve. Yeah. I look at like Michael Jordan LeBron James all these guys that were able to still Peak way into their 30s. There's no reason that dancer shouldn't be peeking in the 30s that they're all peeking, you know 21. 22:23, you're 27 years old and you got you know your old dancer, right? Like what is that? No way it's because there's not things to support this that you're trying to do. So let's get that out there. That's right. Imagine. Like if every dancer that's stopped at twenty three because they hit their Prime continue to progress that art form and their ability for another 10 years. We'd be seeing stuff that is unheard of and that's what you are seeing that with the older dancers you do see that we need more of that. You heard it here first everybody. Yeah. All right. So you're cool with it. We're just gonna do a quick rapid fire round. Yes. Alright. Okay, here we go. So we're one of you guys is pet peeves when working with a patient. Go for it. So my biggest pet peeve is your inability or my inability to communicate with you. So I don't know if you guys have ever had that experience where you're trying to figure out what's going on with the person and they're just not giving you any kind of answer. They're giving you very vague. Like I don't care if you explain something to me and like was smiley faces colors number scales, whatever describing it in some weird way. I mean, I've heard stuff described in ways that Are very unique to that person's experience, but it's something when you just give me vague information that is so hard to work with again. You don't need to understand like pain I've been in pain. I have a hard time describing it, but I can create a scenario where I can share that so not being able to get feedback is my biggest biggest pet peeve. What's your second biggest back to you? Yeah, you took my but I'm just gonna pay you back off that so when somebody says sorry for giving me information like I'm sorry, that that doesn't give you information does it I'm like no, you're good. You keep giving me more. Let's start where that yeah, and then of course do the shit I give you to do right? I'm like hey, how you doing? I'm the same. All right, that's awesome. That sucks. So have you been doing with these exercises? I've been doing them every day. Oh cool. It's late. Let's take a look at him. Liar. Put them to the test liar. I can tell you haven't been doing them. This is the first time doing them since you saw me. Do the stuff that you give trust the process very cool. All right. Well, he's in the next one favorite exercise or movement the deadlift the deadlift. Yes mainly because it's the functional aspect of it. Everybody needs to be able to hip hinge and and a lot of people are afraid of that that movement but if you can get somebody to do it correctly and feel the power and the strength of that movement. It's incredibly empowering. And Powerful for that person from me and in my personal bias, I just like to lift heavy things because I like that testosterone boost and they call me a meathead. I don't care but the deadlift very cool. Yeah the deadliest school but a squat, you know, I'd have to go with the squat because he took deadlift first. But so I mean Push poll some sort of push up some sort of pulling exercise some sort of squat some sort of deadlift in a lunge. If you had those five things you'll be able to train your body for a while really really well and if you could take those five things and create variations off them your gold they said one exercise. That was like I can't do one yet hold you down. All right, maybe let's see. What is Who is an athlete that you really love to work with? Or maybe you've already worked with like your favorite athlete. So I'm going to go through second up a personal favorite of mine again football background. But Julian Edelman, he's a he's a football player. I wore number 11. He wears number 11 identify with him quite a bit because I'm a smaller individual that played a bigger Man sport and he's a smaller dude that does incredible things against People twice his size and I also follow him on social media and he's hilarious. So he probably be funny to be around awesome. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with the Isaiah Thomas. He's a basketball player for those of you guys that don't know who Isaiah Thomas is the new Isaiah Thomas. He sustained Serious injury after having a crazy season with the Celtics. He got traded hindsight. Like I see I watch I love that guy great personality little guy five foot nine. For the shortest guy in the league maybe fact check that he's up there for being short, but I truly feel like he possibly brought back early and I don't think like what they did with him was wrong at the time just hindsight, you know, seeing what happened. I would have loved the opportunity to work with that guy and been able to control when he would be able to come back and I think we could have seen it a different scenario for him sick. Alright, we're going to go a little bit more on the Arts around. What is like your go-to outfit or maybe just like a favor that know if we're gonna do this. I think that he needs to say what he thinks. My favorite outfit would be. Yep. So we were looking at this earlier and I came up with the idea of switching this because it's way more funny though. All right, let's see so I get to say what I think is what I know his favorite outfit is and vice versa. Okay. We also spent too much time together if you did if you didn't realize but I'm Go workout gear and the workout gear is very specific Under Armour brand. Hmm. Sleeveless sleeveless Under Armour shirt with a hood on it. Oh, he's got that like kind of. Oh, yeah. Yes and greedy exactly. He goes full Assassin Creed and the reason being is so he's a bald-headed individual. Yeah, and he says it Helen he says it's because the sweat Is block from his face because of the hood I just think it'd look it's because he looks like Assasin Creed but look you guys realize you don't got a lot of options when you got no hair right? Like I owe my hair always is the same not their second. Like I look super stupid with one of those like heads when things are so bad. Right? Like I don't have that kind of swagger I can walk around with that. So I'm going to go with Donald like when he thinks he's just rocking style. He's gonna be wearing like a 1994 Sons vintage sweatshirt. It's a crew. It's a crew cut because sweatshirt old school. It's got like the the sun time a Suns fan. He's got like the big bright bold in-your-face like basketball on fire for their logo. Yeah, he's California Native or like you rapping like a Two different areas. I'm all over the place. It's got its got a mustard stain on the shoulder. He's gonna rock that with like some skinny jeans. No, I was I was born in California moved to Arizona moved to Maine move back to Arizona. Oh, yes, I've been around. Yeah. How about you man? I grew up here. Okay. Yeah roots and I mean, I don't know why you went to Mount Carmel Sun Devils. All right, next question. Yo, most practical utilize item that you've bought under $100. I would say a cupping set. So it's a silicone copying set. Some really cheap are probably 26 bucks. I think with tax and it's like 30 bucks, but for the use and practicality it we use every single day just to decompress any tissues that we need to decompress. That is by far. The best thing I have to have for under a hundred bucks, I would just like to add to like with the cups. We do it technique that's much different than like a traditional cupping technique where you would like leave it on your body because that's it. Yeah, it's more so like with with motion so you have lotion on the skin and you're able to slide the the cup it's the lotion on the skin and as you're doing motion, you can move the cup. So your decompressing all the tissues so for If you think you may be dealing with some nerve issues like a peripheral neuropathy referral neuropathy superficial peripheral neuropathy. You can term. Yeah. Yeah, you can essentially lift the skin off of that nerve because nerves do not like to be compressed or stretched so you can use motion and decompression of the skin over that area and it's a the feedback is phenomenally quick. If it yeah, it's so a lot of times you'll get not a lot of times. But sometimes you'll find like a superficial nerve right a nerve that's like in the skin or in that area can mimic other pathologies and simply by like stimulating that area with like a cup and some motion you can get a decrease in sensation and sometimes you can get a complete relief just depending on what's going on. So when it works, it's like magic when it doesn't works whatever it doesn't work to do some else, but I would have to say my hands because nothing has been with him for. I fear yeah. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. You guys are probably read like like Dianne Jacob said like dermal neuromodulation work, right? Yeah. It's part of our curriculum. There you go. There you go. So it's like another plug for chiropractor. Yeah. Alright last question or almost last question. Do you have any book recommendations may be something you're reading now something that's really impacted your kind of like live personal or professional. Go he reads way more than I do. So I'm going to go more. So on the personal side terms of I guess you categorize it as a philosophy book, but it's the daily stoic. So essentially it's just daily excerpts that you read. It has a quote from somebody that studied stoicism many many years ago. And then it also has a breakdown of that quote and it just has essentially just Daily reminders of how to be a better person or how to take yourself away from a motion because the study of stoicism is taking yourself away from emotion and looking at everything incredibly objective so you can have a bad day and you you go to this book and you you kind of understand, okay. It not everything needs to be so emotional and it's a great book. It's a by Ryan holiday and another person. I don't remember his name. I'm sorry. That's all right. Yeah. I just asked him what he read that day. No, I'm not going to give you guys a book that's going to change in. So he went down that route. I'm going to go over if you're if you're a clinician or you're looking to get into this field of working with people. There's two concepts. I think you won. Major major concept I think that you're incomplete if you don't understand and it is neuro Dynamics. The concept is called neurodynamics. Michael Shack lock right Michael Shack lock the man. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I love that guy and then another gentleman who's got a huge body of work. You just recently he started schools over in China is a guiteau van rice engine, you know van. Usage in it. He's amazing. He's just a walking clinical Pearl like tea just fits information and knowledge. So you could you know, just straight through a Google search in both those guys in the from their dive down. Whatever Rabbit Hole of information. They had that that makes sense for you sick and it's a so much good information and like wisdom that you guys have like been able to bring on to this podcast. So now they are not Dylan and I are Thankful, and I'm sure our audience is extremely thankful and have gained so much more wisdom after listening to you to this. So, how how can they connect with you? That's a great question Donald. I got you so you can go to our website at www.kttape.com and all of our social handles like Facebook and Instagram are at kinetic impact our P. So at kinetic impact our P you can also call us at Six one nine. This is put him on his foot Willa. I don't know if I want to divulge this information might give away my personal cell phone number. No, I'm just kidding. So hard our number way. My first name. Yeah, in that case. I mean Ben is a hard guy that you to contact, you know, we try to do our research and Google search you guys and I have for those of you listening. That's the probably how you're going to hear me. I have no social media. She's a personal thing like I'm old school, which is bad, but good in some ways just for my own sanity. I prefer to like sit down and talk. The people I'll Skype. I don't mind that kind of stuff. But as far as like man, I just get lost. You know, the no you haven't I'll be watching people doing yoga. If I get into social media within like 30 seconds, and then from there, I cannot even tell you the downhill spiral things I get into so it's best for me to not have that. So if you want to get ahold of us 6 1 9 6 9 5 0 6 8 8. Yep. You can just give us a call or email. Yep, and that's info. Bo @ Ki rehab.com sweet and will link all those stuff in our show notes perfect and they've also got a really dope blog article dancers are athletes and will also link that up in there as well. Yeah, perfect. Check it out. Yeah for all the all you guys are listening. That is a great blog for you guys to check out and you'll be able to reach out to us and again reach out to us about getting together and masterminding some. Ideas, and let's let's collaborate. 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If you’ve ever wondered what goes behind the scenes to keep dancers performing at a high level then you’ve come to the right podcast! Join the Offset Med team as we highlight the performance medicine staff behind the Beyond Babel show. Special shout out to Coach Nghia Pham for allowing us to record this podcast at his facility Optimum Training and Performance. Dr. Benjamin DeLuca and Dr. Donald Mull have their practice within this elite training space and are the Founders of Kinetic Impact that help their patients return to their sport, life, and passions at a high performance level. _ Dr. Ben has almost 20 years of experience working in the health and fitness industry starting as a personal trainer and is now a doctor of chiropractic medicine. He says, "The most satisfying aspect of my career is teaching people how to take control of their destiny by educating them on corrective movement patterns and lifestyle change." Dr. Mull began his career as a multi-sport athlete and continues to practice what he preaches on and off the field. He is methodical and passionate with his approach to patient care and utilizes various concepts from strength and conditioning, injury rehabilitation, and developmental kinesiology to expedite full return to performance. He says, “Your goals are always placed on my highest priority. However we can get you to achieve your health and fitness goals ultimately dictates your treatment plan. This allows you to maintain safe activity levels that will encourage long term health and wellness." You can contact them via email info@kirehab.com _ PODCAST TOPICS   Creation of Kinetic Impact  The Role of Chiropractic Medicine in Sports Performance  Performance Medicine Model with Beyond Babel   Rookie Mistakes Dancers Make When Training  Call to Action for Dance, Health, and Fitness Professionals   Bonus Rapid Fire Round   _ Thank you for supporting The Offset Podcast where we challenge how you think, move, and feel. We hope you share, subscribe, and reach out to us! Together we can develop ourselves "offset" so we can perform our best on set! _ SHOW REFERENCES www.kirehab.com @kineticimpactrp Dancer Blog: https://www.kirehab.com/single-post/2019/02/15/Are-Dancers-Athletes 