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I appreciate you guys still sticking around even though you know, I wasn't here last. Because very arrogant what I just said very much. Wow, I meant to say the opposite that thanks. I'm glad to say people are back even though I wasn't here who's Beyoncé we're gonna have you back. Thanks guys. What I meant to say was as much as I miss you guys the truth. You killed it. I was I felt like very excited to listen your coverage and it was nice to just be a fan last week. So cute. Nice butt. Oh God, that's right guys way to bring it back Jeff truly sweating here in studio from my inability to speak guys. My name is Jeff Graham. So much for tuning in to tonight's coverage. I am not alone. I am joined by the always opinionated Renee Ariel. Hello. Hello the game of oriented might feel it. Hey, what's up guys? And the analytical Christine Alexis. Hey guys, and I'm the douchebag who doesn't know how to talk. Not true. To show here in AfterBuzz TV where we review your favorite ABC show every week today. We're talking about season 15 episode 8 guys things are happening in this ad is very aggressive that I'm seeing right now. I have the chat pulled up which means if you're tuning in live, you can actually join the conversation. We will chat shout some of you guys out additionally we've gotten some really wonderful iTunes reviews from you guys. So we will be reading those later in the episode. Thanks for all the love. I'm it means just as much for us to do this for you as it does for you guys to check out our show. So we really appreciate it that also didn't sound great. - all right. We're gonna go to overall thoughts Renee if you have the ability to suppose, I want to hear what your overall thoughts on tonight's episode where Jack we can't be on a panel together you guys so much. Wow, this episode was a lot. I'm gonna be honest with you guys, you know when it's like when you were in school and it's like June and your checked out for summer. Yeah. I hate everyone left except her and I guess Tyler is C is okay. I'm like checked out. I'm like, oh Someone's gotta win. Let's see this loopy thing that they re spoiled in the promos. I'm just kind of over everyone except for Peter and Tyler. I don't want to see anything else but I will watch and I will watch intently and I will care but it's it's a lot I gotta say I'm right there with you Renee. I'm definitely mentally checked out trying to be as analytical as possible. But I think this episode was just about trimming the fat. Honestly. We have just narrowing it down at this point. I like it. I Do not like Luke for her. But I like Luke on the show because I think he's the only interesting thing going on and I'll stand by that I very much agree. I don't know why they're giving such an obvious tease to next episode. We're all going to be there to see what dumb stuff Loop does. Anyway, they don't need to spoil the whole sex thing in her crying and like that's the moment. We're already tuning in. So it's a little bit disappointing that would spoiled. Yeah, they're building it up as like, oh this moment where she finally takes him down like while the audience has already been Looking for that moment for yeah, you're like fence jump here. Okay, you know, yeah, I kind of don't understand. I mean, do you guys think there's any world in which the sex shame ER is not Luke and is there any world in which the crazy cuds? Well, no sex conversation is happening with someone else. No, but I think what's happening is there are seeing online that everyone's like why the hell is Luke still here and they'll you know, I swear she sends him home. I saw it look like it's happening. They keep can it's like with the fence jump like he is eventually going to jump up heads now, they're like she is eventually going to send this guy home. Yeah, it will happen if they showed like from the get-go. I truly don't know why they showed that entire day. I thought that was a bit weird does nothing else happened is the other half of that episode another damn recap. Like I have questions. I'm worried now because that was a lot to show us and it makes me makes me hope they have other tricks up their sleeve next week because a scene like that feels like it's going to be the Crux of next week's episode Hannah did In a couple of interviews about our season that almost every episode feels like a fence jump moment. Now I have to disagree with her and yeah, everyone hasn't but I'm wondering if that will ring true for these final three, so I'll be helpful to be fair. There are having a lot of times I have wanted to jump the fence away from him fair enough. Well, I also like tonight's episode. I think it was nice to see some actual dates. I feel like this season is tended to kind of shy away from dates and that's when you can really analyze the connection between the contestants. I've been a little shady with Ty Euler see but he's growing on me. I think he treats Hannah well and we'll get into that personally we're going into it, but it's hard for me to watch Jed do anything on this show. Now, I think with that we're going to just transition in this first one on one. Of course. It's with Jed. Are you guys able to watch this in the context of the show? No, because for me we're going to get into the detail later, but there was more spilled about Jen that makes him look even worse than he did last week in terms of his player Tendencies, and I just can't I can't watch this date anymore. Only watch the show. I think it's fair to say that if Renee and I agree on a point that it's basically a fact you cannot you cannot watch Jenna. Yeah, I will say though while we were watching it. I might have been the only person on the panel saying that you were oh, yeah, that might have softball right now because Jed was my resource to begin with I had him winning it and that still can be the case. We don't know but outside of the context of what we know about what's going on. Like he's killing it like he's doing All the Right Moves that a bachelor wreck Bachelorette contestant should be doing from from day one the way he handled confrontation with Luke P down to like reassuring her every step of the way. They had great chemistry like yeah, this might happen wonder why I never had Twitter or anything. He would be easy. Don't you guys feel fooled because he he said he wanted to be top five and look at him playing the game the right way. I mean doesn't that get in your head like it's over. Every moment of that they said that in the taxi look bad though. He said that but that was totally part of his whole strategy of wanting to get on to further his music career and I'm sure part of that was to make it to top 5 but think about had that makes sense that never been the case right all this other drama. Yeah, he would have just been the first one of the first few contestants ever really reveal his motives early on and kind of just break that like that mold. He could have been like this really great contestant who's going to break it to him that this is not going to further his music career. Nor will anything I think he knows it now with all the stuff coming out. Have you guys heard vacation? Because Jeff showed up. Can you say oh my God. There's a reason he's been singing. Mr. Right? Okay. There's a reason It's just tough for me. I mean, I think maybe the crunchiest parts for me during this again the parts that would have played so well, we're Jed was like I'm just trying to be honest with you you need to open up and it almost makes me wonder if Jed feels like he's off the hook because he opened up about other stuff. So maybe it's that thing where I mean, we've all been in the position where we may be told a lie and you fess up to half the truth and you're like well, like I said this everything's okay, but you're still hiding so much. What do you mean off the hook? Nobody on the show knows he's got these other women. Well, I just said it's irrelevant. It is not irrelevant because there's AF are there. There's men tell all like he's gonna get it in my guest and I just been in the context of the show Like My Prayer by the way, and I say prayer is that ABC is going to track down both Haley and I forgot the other one's name to it later and have them on one of the after shows whether he'll be on AFR or if you'll be unjust men tell all I want them there and I want them drilling him and I want Hannah the room and then I want to date Luke. Ha ha ha. I just want to clip out that moment of Renee's dream it so one day when she's campaigning for political office. We can I have a dream that one day during after the final Rose. Both of Jed's axis will be in the room. It's like a dream. I mean before we move on from jet. I mean, it's clear that were on the same page about just our distaste for him. But I know when we spoke about the situation last week, we had quite a few people in the live chat kind of cautioning us not to jump to conclusions just yet. This was also before T came out that we'll get to later also keeping in mind that he hasn't had a chance to say anything yet. So I mean are we I don't know I guess it just feels like there's receipts. I mean, I'm I'll be I'll be open-minded right now Jed. You look guilty. Yeah. I just want to know what he's gonna say. It's hard for me to imagine any world in which there's a defense but I mean because there's when there's like timestamps text messages. What what can you say if he's a fellow if he's out and he's a around four men tell all Chris has to ask him about this, right? Yeah, no matter what they're going to ask him about it. There's no way that they can dodge this one. However, my guess is okay. Let's say he wins there's going to be intense media training where he's like. Oh, well, you know I should have been more clear with her. I did not see us having a future. I didn't even know she thought of us as exclusive. I think I messed up but he's gonna play that shit down to the point where it's still bad, but it's Less of what it was right and I think based on what I've read about Haley. She didn't even want to initially come forward with this story that they had already figured it out and they were going to tell the story with her without her. So she's like no I want to tell my own story. So I truly don't think she'll go against what he says in sounds like she still has love for him which you know, she was in love with him. He's the worst but I mean according to another Haley in chat not this Haley different Haley. She's already said she's not going to go on after the final. I Rose well, I kind of appreciate that I mean as much as I want to see that and I clearly Renee wants to see that it does make me think that she's coming forward with this story for a reason. Yeah, and it's totally valid that if you know Outlets are going to come out and try to tell her story for her. She completely has the right to jump in and control the narrative. It must suck for Jed right now that he can't contribute his side of the thing but he shouldn't have told someone over text that he loved her the day before he went to that Trend. That's what I'm gonna stand by. Yeah getting back to the date and talking about the show for It is I really appreciate help Lockwood asking this question. Hope thanks for tuning in as always. Do you guys think Jade likes Hannah at all? I feel like he at least likes her a little bit. It doesn't make what he did. Okay, but I'm curious about your thoughts. It seems It's hard to judge because Jed's proven himself to be at least via text to two-timer, but there is chemistry during these dates. Right? I mean if I was with 30 other women and there was one guy and everyone talked about how much that they love that one guy and that was the only meal interaction I had He was cute and we had some chemistry. Yes, I'd probably start liking him to do. I think that this is like some deep love that will be that will last absolutely not he's still a player that cheated on multiple people which again we will get to but like that doesn't just change. Just what change was where they are the environment. So when he's back at his normal Hometown, whatever situation that's when I think we'll get real jet right now. This is TV show dread. That doesn't have a cellphone or books. Yeah saying, Big anything that he's done, his overtly caused me to really think that he's really into her. I mean strumming the guitar and singing the song he do that to anybody. It's not I don't know but I really think it's hard for me to be objective. Now that I know all the other stuff that's going on. It's tough It's time. I mean the one moment I did feel real Chemistry Between Jet and Hannah was on the bed last week. When did you guys I'm getting laughter. So I'm assuming you guys don't agree. No because you just it's just the delivery the way I said, it's just When Janet Hannah and I had a threesome last week There's Been moments with Chad and Hannah where it seems like there's real chemistry, but it's just hard. You know, it's he's kind of sealed his own fate. Yeah, I think that there is an element of chemistry there but against your point Renee, I think it's like like a relationship but not like endgame. It's definitely not that kind of vibe between them and he also doesn't strike me as somebody who's necessarily ready for marriage at all. Like no serious relationship if he can, you know, stay with one person if he can buy thankful. Yeah, but he's so he's never really mentioned. Like I want to start a family his main thing when he opened up about his intention on the show was like I was open to it because I love the idea of love like that doesn't sound like someone who has a Like A Five-Year Plan or even a idea of what they want a relationship long term to look like right? I don't see him being ready for marriage. I don't think I knew this about the gossip. But tomorrow Fuller in the chat just says, okay Jed had applied to be on The Bachelor several months before he met Haley. Yeah when they started dating he told her that he applied and was waiting to see if he had gotten selected but he but I think it's reiter's he told her he was only going to show for his career. It wasn't that he had ever intend to go on the show for actually dating now. Well, here's the flip was he telling this girl that to not hurt her feelings because he really wasn't feeling it to do that and then tell her I love you and go on a vacation with her and call her the night before was it just a recording to help him. I mean, he wasn't just saying that to not hurt her for the delay. C12 not hurt her feelings is a quite impressive if that were the case. It sounded like this was a real relationship. That was serious. I don't know. Who do you go on vacations with that you're not serious about they were also only dating for four months. Maybe is that is that seemed like but I'm sure it's real short but some Malaysian, okay, you guys this show takes place over three months after break-up, but the thing is relationships can move at different speeds. I know people that like to have taken a relationship super so I know I know I have friends that move in together after six months when dating a guy so I don't think it's to say like how long they were together that matters. But if you're already going on vacation together and saying I love you that says something about the relationship not in itself get defines usual say we've discussed like whether or not Jed's intentions are what they were but he should have handled this better and we have the conversation on this panel which sometimes frustrates people about if these people are like marriage ready like if they're ready for marriage and he has Not proven himself with the way he's handled his exes to be ready for a long-term commitment. He doesn't have the communication skills necessary for a successful marriage, right? I think what would have been a better way to handle it just not come on the show. I mean he I don't tell that just just tell the truth. Now you think if he had told her right off the bat like I texted this girl yesterday. I loved her not told Hannah told his ex. I think you should have told his ex. Hey, if I go and I fall in love with this girl and might be, you know, God or if he's on the show and he needs to do some. Truth-telling. Yeah, tell the truth to Hannah because you think it's going to be better if it comes out later you it does if you're with someone and there is a lie that could break you guys up. Guess what you shouldn't be with that person. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it sounds like we're on the same page about you as we're moving now. We'll get into some more tea. Oh, we just have a little bit Ryan just play a little bit. This is what Jeff had blasting his ears all last week. I was on vacation watch out guys might be at the top of the iTunes chart see if his dreams will come true. That's the case. If enough fans going listen to the sea to be. All right, let's move on and talk about Tyler's one-on-one. I don't know if I'm a huge fan of Tyler but I will say he treats her very well and she's a huge fan of Tyler thought Christine on this one on one this one on one. The activity was pretty boring just Back riding and doing random stuff, but they made it really cute. I agree with you Jeff that Tyler gourami. He was not my favorite to begin with but he finally gave Hannah what she wanted was a little which was a little bit more about who he is at his core. So I was I was cool with all said, I like Tyler I'd like to him for a while the date was kind of whatever it was a less fun version of what I thought was a really cool day. She had with Mike a few episodes ago where they got drunk and wandered. And this case it's not the same date over and over again. Yeah, I read the dates have been fairly boring this season. We had a couple like rugby axe throwing things but it's not very exciting Hannah keeps getting sick. You guys she can always use girls on a good immune system. I'm very bad or she may be she's a really bad traveler. That could be a I feel bad for sure. There are broad are some boosters. I like Tyler but I think it's because I hate everyone else but Pete, you know what I mean? Like I think that if it was a group of guys from past Seasons that I genuinely liked Talan would be one of my least favorites not because he's a bad guy just because I'm like, yeah about him but because of how low I know the standard is right now I think Owen is genuine. I think he's honest guy. That's why I'm telling you. Yeah, he's on it. That's the barn. Yeah, but I think that that much a girlfriend back home. I like this got like that. So sad that that's that's where we're at right now. Yeah, I did appreciate it. Is his kind of candid moment talking about like his fear of failing in a relationship. I thought that was a lot of impact talking about his parents. It kind of made me think that it makes sense how he's fallen into this. Like I'll take care of you roll for Hannah every time she's in a bad mood because he just wants to succeed at this relationship and always if you have a lot of aquatic things eating Herring and then they ate crab whatever the other day or the other date remember, yeah, a lot of secrecy food aphrodisiac because she keeps getting sicker. The seafood that's true. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like pickled herring probably isn't a great. It's really good though. Yeah, I'd like to Clarington really? Okay. So people are asking why I'm not a huge fan of Tyler. Yeah. I the only thing I can compare to dating other gentleman that I've done would be like the fraternity Rush process that I went through in college. All right, because you're having like weirdly intimate conversations with strangers. Yeah, if the only way I can describe it is I feel like I would be bored by Tyler if I were to meet him during fraternity rush and I feel like he has trouble. A saying anything. I feel like when he was talking to Hannah. He's like yeah, and I'm tripping in my mind and I just would have to Riga and things got trippy and she's like, what do you mean he's like, you know, you just get in your head and you're all just twerking you do and I get frustrated when people can't communicate things. Yeah. So if that were during fraternity rush I would be like this guy's kind of boring next. So that's a that's a specific articulation of why I don't find Tyler see very appealing. Yeah, that's a common thing in bachelor and bachelorette though. I hate when people talk about talking. Instead of just talking. Yes, exactly. It's just because they're trying to produce the show like you have to talk about talking. So we don't have to hear your boring story about like you're five siblings. No, but but it would be interesting for him to have actually said why he was tripping in Riga. Yeah, right not all I was tripping in Riga and it was crazy. Well what was wrong that I think was just he can't open up but like when they do on dates when they're like, well, I have a hard time opening up and Boulevard and they don't get into detail of it. I think it's just so they can make a show this in particular instance. I I think was because he just I think it's awkward. I think it's hard for me to open up. I think there are so many cameras around. He's like, I don't know like I just couldn't think and it doesn't get his job. Oh, so I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm gonna but in really quick and his defense only because Hanna has been preaching about wanting to open up this is episode 8 and she started off saying like this is what it's really going to get real. I'm gonna open up this time with she started off last episode saying and, you know kudos to her for being the lead and pulling this stuff out of these guys, which is what she needs to do, but she also needs to do the same. There she did give a little bit when she kind of countered his story about his parents saying that her parents didn't communicate well, and she wants to kind of Rectify that in her relationships going forward. Yeah, but that's it. We still need more from her too. Yeah, but also maybe they should have tried pulling it out of her to your point though. How much was left on The Cutting Room floor? Like what did we see more convert? Were there more conversations than you just totally didn't get it. That's the thing. We don't know if Hannah opened up more and maybe they cut that out. But at the same time I feel like if you are in the okay first. Dates with your when you're with someone like it fully depends on your chemistry. And if you have chemistry what kinds of questions do you ask each other because if they're not going to ask me about the time. I broke my collarbone in fourth grade and cried at the playground. I'm not going to just offer out that information. Do you know what I mean? Like there's times where yes, you can make. Oh, that's funny that you've been through that this is what I've been through. But if they're not asking the intense questions that she's asking them. Maybe she's not one to just like give out all that information on her own. She wants them to ask clearly I get well she does want them. Ask because a couple weeks ago. She cried saying that none of you know anything about me. Yeah, which that is a clue as a guy to be like ask me a question but it's hard because they're in a position where they're being courted. So maybe they don't feel like they have the space to that's why it's sometimes I just think a lot of these guys aren't so what do you mean the guys there's one being courted they're coming far though. Just because she's the one making Cuts it's her job to make these decisions. So it feels like yeah, but I think they're courting her and then she's making the decisions. I don't that's what I don't. And why everything is in questions, I understand people are ragging on us. Now in the chat that all this stuff gets left on The Cutting Room floor. Yeah, absolutely totally agree. But if you're reading this editing this do you think the most interesting stuff is me saying there's just so much stuff. I want to tell you right and then I go on to tell you all this stuff and editors are like no they're just coming out. They're not come on. They're not saying stuff. To be honest though when Garrett went on about how he used to think he wanted to be a football player and then Ended up saying he now likes golf I could have I would have preferred a hard time opening up over that that one. Yeah, truly variable you if you're boring if you're born. Yeah for something that was a highlight of the conversation. Someone had extra energy. That is a picture there painting Tyler be this one note kind of guy. Where as Garrett apparently has all this depth over his Sports preferences got depth on the sarcasm Garrett has any way heavy on the sarcasm. I just I I find Tyler to be a little OneNote as you guys were saying and actually it sounds like on social media. He's really interesting and funny. So I should probably follow him to get a different side. But actually Sunday on it. I'm just not really feeling it. But Hannah is which is great. He seems to be treating her well, and that's all good stuff. We will see what happens. It's an interesting point though quickly to drop off what Renee was saying that it's something that the bachelor sometimes does and has been doing a lot this season of saying this happened or this conversation. It happened, but they don't actually show us like with the Luke P Lucas fight. Maybe that was really the only angle but it's interesting cuz I'm Housewives what they'll do is say this happened and then like immediately show you the footage that's like the Bravo approach to reality TV. Yeah. So it's the bachelor often will leave it a mystery for the fans to argue. I wish they were giving us more receipts this season because it's frustrating for us to just speculate. I don't know what Tyler may be opened up maybe he didn't but we can't necessarily know because the producers haven't necessarily been Generous with actual receipts in terms of the footage especially this season which I find I found a little frustrating overall this season presently as the receipt counter over here. Yes. Yes. She's a CPA certified public reality accountant. I love it. So let's talk about Connor people that I call this the Elise now, right? No, I think it's much more in Debbie. It's much more Demi. What's the difference? Why is this? Debbie and I don't know leaves because Elise was like listen, I'm not getting enough attention. This is hard for me. I want to be the only one here. I can't be here and I wore the my best dress. So now or never baby where ya at me tried pulling moves to stay there was a difference at least just didn't understand the show. Demi was playing the game before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a Yuma County Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV okay with playing the game. Just poorly you so you don't think he really was starting to feel the feelings. Absolutely not. He's like I'm gonna go home. I need to do something drastic people say that they look said he loved her on the second date. She loved that. You know what? I mean? I totally believe got her here. I think it's believed him. Well, I believe that he really was starting to feel the feelings of falling in love with Hannah whether or not he's right. I think it's because he looks so much like a high school kid. It reminded me of someone that like an Earnest Junior would say at their prom like after we danced to the play. Cc-cat dolls, I just felt like I really wanted to you know, give you my pin. It's just like that sucks. Like I'm now doesn't stick with you is what it would be. It's just like so the song it was thinking of my I feel like he is he thinks he's in love with her by osmosis. Yeah, all the other guys are really feeling it was like, yeah, I'm feeling it too. And I had that fleabag one date with her on her bed when she was sick and then our other day got interrupted by all the guys doing their Shenanigans. I just think he hasn't had a shot for a while. He's just been strung along what I appreciated that go ahead Christian. I was gonna say it was a Hail Mary then it was maybe his until film. It's very smaii a lot of religion tonight. What I appreciated that a lot of reaction will talk about that. What I appreciate it though. Is that Connor said I don't want to take her home to my family if I feel like I don't know her better. Like I actually feel like it's intention for going in at least the way it was pitched to the producers was interesting and that it was I don't want just a group date to decide if I've never taken someone home to my family before can I put that up to the panel actually, is that a big deal for you guys? I'm looking for I'm yeah before I was married. I didn't care like I'd bring a girl home to meet my parents and then if we if we broke up I just feel like Mom. Yeah not really are cool. My parents don't care. Okay. My parents are like yeah, which is why not. Um my parents. I don't know if it's different cause I'm a girl but I would bring guys over but my parents never acknowledge them. They just thought they were all fleeting like it was never serious at all. Like I think I would have had to like bring him to church for them to know that you're serious. All right, bring them home was never an issue. Um, I think it is a bigger deal to me. I've only brought home one guy and they're definitely like they all have like their judgments about it. But I mean this for me would be serious. If it got to the point where like I was The Bachelor was coming home to meet my family because they then they're your family gets involved and then your family has to be on TV, then there's a lot more to it than just your family meeting them you're exposing them to the world. So I think you better be serious about someone before you do that. Yeah, unless your family is who Cassie's family and they're all models without that was nuts. Okay recruit me this way. That's the Kourtney. I don't know when when they talk about it like this on the show. Like wow, like bring you home to meet my parents. My parents would think it was hilarious when the cameras here like, ah, this is cry with talk, whatever. It doesn't work out. It's not like, whoa shame. Your family without yeah. My family's got the same. My family's not that way. My family takes me ring shopping the next day. Not anymore. I know Lauren I was like, yep, they fell in love pretty quick. But my wife she's the best. Okay, so not better than my wife. Hey, I know we should bring our wives. Female demographic who watches and Falls are show Renee and Christine are single. So feel free to reach out. Okay, so Let's go ahead and talk about Mike Mike this one-on-one with Mike Christine. How do you feel about this one on one with Mike? Oh, Mike poor guy. He was so excited and he was just getting shafted from the beginning. It was not going to go anywhere. I think this is gonna sound bad. But now I'm on the panel for the gamesmanship, right? I think this is the best thing that could happen to him because I these got an amazing shot at being Bachelor to have his own show and part of the franchise and he's going to do great. That guy's dope. We said a couple times. We don't like some of the moves that he made earlier in the season and he's for me I got to but overall I think he's fantastic and these in a great shot right now Mike for bachelor. He looks great. So he like getting dumped. He looked fantastic. He so when I was a lot of Grace a lot of class. Listen, I think Mike is so cute. I love his smile. I just can't get past and just like the other guys. I'm sorry. I can't get past what he did earlier in the season and my a grudge holder maybe because truly that's all. I think about because I think you can learn a lot about someone's character character through their actions. And yes, maybe he's great when he's on a date with his Crush Hannah, but the way he treats other guys or two of the other guys to be fair and just certain situations in Conflict. I didn't love and the thing is if you and I know I judge harsh with everyone but like look about look how Peter has handled himself and every conflict situation. Where as Garrett Mike Luke Pete literally everyone even Tyler These a bit annoying but he doesn't like he's not super Petty about it so I can kind of deal with him. But all the other guys don't handle conflict while so that's why I'm not super on board with Mike. I gotta be honest. I think though compared to everyone else in the house. I'm not going to give my guys much of a hard time because it was kind of that one-off situation to to to off. Sorry, but also my concern is less about how he treats the other guys in the house more so about each how he treated Hannah which I thought he did great at. Yeah, I think he will make a great Bachelor and I mean, I'd be remiss as the Black Talent on this show to not acknowledge how amazing it would be for ABC to have a black lead on their biggest franchise show. I think it would send such a great statement and I'm totally here for it. I think it'd be great and the consensus is to bring the lives. So open ourselves up to prove that there's been a couple times and this season but it's because I really liked him it's because he has been like someone I really really liked on this show and someone I was kind of vying to be Bachelor and like he said, However, he's treated the group dynamic. He seems to treat Hannah really really. Well. I thought that his exit was so gracious and you could tell Hannah was really broken up about The Break-Up because she broken up about The Break-Up. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, you could tell though because she wouldn't do what a good guy. He was she knew that Ed even if she was making a mistake. He's a leader and he's a gentleman and he's the kind of guy. That would make a great. He got a very good edit tonight. I will say that he didn't get a perfect and upright. Listen if it weren't for those two occasions, I would I have no problem with Mike. It's literally an I just did not like the cam thing if he did lie, that really bugs me. I think it's just been enough episodes where we forgot about it to be honest with you. But like I remember everything and I that's why written off so many of these guys and I wish it was just entirely a better batch this season, but out of the guys left, I will say the only three that I'd be okay with being Bachelor are actually maybe I guess well, obviously, Her Tyler see maybe and Mike. That's it. Okay, I thought you were going to say someone else other than my bags like this a Jed. No, I won't see your point. Also, we forgave a lot of Colton's crappy Behavior by the time he came around to be Bachelor. We did not forgive him. Christine wagon is rather hated him throughout the first few episodes and then we started liking him. That's what happened. We did not ever at one point except the fact he was Bachelor until he started to actually make us like the season. How's that definitely got the Hannah before this season? Chants from honest if we voted with wonderful don't act like we were like, you know what I do think although we didn't know our volley going to sing. He got his fair shot no matter what listen it while we still would have voted against it if Mike gets the chance to be Batcher. Obviously, I'm going to watch if I end up loving him like I did Colton great but like right now this is how I feel two things I say about this one the way he treats Hannah is what's I think important here and to I don't want someone who said played a perfect game to be the next lead because yeah because the most interesting leads we've gotten like even if we haven't left this season Han has been a really good lead. I felt like she played the game terribly during her season. So even though likes made some mistakes that isn't necessary prerequisite to me. It'll be a bad Bachelor just means he might make interesting television. I think he's more interesting than the other two. I see that being a more interesting Bachelor than Pete and Tyler. Yeah, I think now this is interesting. Can you separate it? Would you go with Jed if we No, all this other stuff because I think without all this other stuff. He might actually make a decent Bachelor. Yeah, I do but to be honest with you, I don't watch The Bachelor for The Bachelor. I watch it for the contestants just like The Bachelorette. Well, I do like a little bit more personality for The Bachelorette because I do find guy drama a bit more boring, but for the bachelor at the end of the day, it could be a piece of bread. I'll still watch if girls fight over the bread and have like the crystal moment. I'll be here for it going Ari bread, basically. Lee truly truly I mean re was one of the most dry piece of bread Bachelors we've ever had and it was a fantastic season because of Crystal. So if we get a crystal, it'll be a great season no matter what well we need to move on guys. Let's talk about this group date which didn't actually have an activity. It was just going really bad. It was going into are fancy room and alternating conversations, which is kind of a bummer. I want to see that even if it's something silly. I want to see them play a weird like Amsterdam Ian sport or Yeah something if they could make up a lot V and tradition that you have to go naked bungee jumping they can make up something else because I'm talking higher like on the red light district or seen a sex show or like there's so many things in Amsterdam. You can do Christians aren't guys we can't maybe I mean maybe I just could have is if there's a lot to do in Amsterdam has all say so this group date. Well, not a good look for Garrett. Not a good look for Luke. I was very upset with both of these guys disagree. Yeah you who did you think came out fine? Interesting Nina in Hannah's eyes. Like you got all the analysis has to be from her and within the game fair. He looks great. He opened up. Yeah, there's a little bit of like tears they made out like crazy on the thing and he just wrecked the house before Garrett went in. Yeah, Garrett didn't stand a chance going in after him. And then of course Pete who cares he had nothing to worry about right? He probably had a rose before the David started. I've kind of I hear you Mike. I've sort of felt like I've been on a roller coaster with Luke I assume there was no coming back for me for him after some of the behavior he's done, but I he didn't do anything terribly wrong tonight. Here's what's hard for me if I'm in love with someone and someone asks me. How are you doing? And I'm upset I have to answer like when Laura asked me how his work and if I had, you know, not a great day with a host or something. I'm going to tell her about it. So what's he supposed to do and Hannah says, how are you feeling? I feel great things are hard for Luke. Yeah. What's he supposed to say? Okay, I think exactly what you Say is honestly, I'm not having the best time in the house. I know these guys don't like me but I don't care like I'm here for you. Thank you. Thank you. Let's go out on the street. Let's go get ice cream. Let's talk about some instead of dwelling and that's where Garrett really fell apart because all these guys with Luke in the little times when they're not with Hannah. They all got to shut up. Stop talking to Luke. Stop talking about Luke. Stop talking about the drama just go off be by yourself. Don't involve yourself say nothing because that's what killed Garrett. Garrett had to say something before right? Yeah Duke, I mean also Hannah asked everyone to stay in their Lane. So that was his opportunity just shut up because Luke is gonna call you out and especially if he's going first is going to look great, especially with the crazy intense physical attraction that Hannah has for him. She gets, you know clouded over her eyes and she hears what he's saying and it sounds of the guys are picking on me and he said that like right before and Garrett is fake and he was being fake friend. There was no There's nothing for Garrett to gain by telling Luke. I was being fake to you. You're saying like yeah, dude. I mean, you're here like we don't get along don't see eye to eye but I don't have to be rude to you, right? That's what he said it very Petty in a way. Yeah Luke to run with it. Exactly. I don't know. I kind of think in a way Garrett sealed his fate here and it's interesting a lot of people sort of like the way Garrett played the game. They liked the petty silliness. But what I got to say, is that such a bad prerequisite in we're so big relationship like if if I think Like playing those kind of games with my wife for like making fun of her or teasing her the one comment about from Garrett that really pissed me off tonight. I'll be interested to see what you think. But Luke like lifts his lips and Garrett's like, oh did you that because you're attracted to me and I feel like the subtext of that comments kind of homophobic. Like I felt like he was saying, oh dude, are you gay like and I just hate that kind of like that just feels like something that I used to hear in middle school. So for Garrett to say that kind of thing just really bum me out as I think this guy's kind of a douche like a I don't know, but I think Both of them are it's a straight. I don't like Luke either but it's a straight-up locker room jab. Yeah guys it absolutely is. Okay, of course it is. And by the way, he just winked at him. I thought that was the most funny thing like Garrett winked at him and then they did the lips and then Garrett went in I was just it's just childish it. Well so stupid. I hate your it. I still think Luke is toxic and manipulative. My feelings have not changed. I don't want to drill it in everyone's brains, but truly I stand by everything I said about Luke, please go home next week. Like he's going to and Garrett was just such a little child tonight at 8:00. Please don't go to paradise. Please don't send him to Paradise ABC, you know who wasn't acting like a child tonight, even though he looks like one. Sorry Renee is Peter little baby face my God the love of my season. He stayed out of the drama and like totally got a rose and dipped out of That Awkward date like real quick. He yeah for him. Yeah. He did exactly what you did and I don't mean to cut you off. Oh, no. He said nothing about it nothing Lou. It came out and he was like dude. I mean we said, you know, don't well, it's always all and that's it. She came out. He said nothing about it straight with her. Yeah. That's the way he knows and he said no, I think it is icms that he knows Lucas manipulative and he just stays in his Lane. Let's Hannah figured out for himself. And surely. I love Peter and you see no wrong because no wrong. I love him. Sorry. He played it really well tonight, and he deservedly got his way and I went back to the house and the guys were excited about Interestingly Luke opened up about his testimony. It's the one thing that's been interesting about the season. However you feel about it is it's been very naked about the fact it's not really the right word. It's been very off the cuff about the fact that his faith is really important to her. So, I don't know someone who grew up and it's like still a practicing Protestant Christian. It's been interesting for me to see these stories told on TV because they don't often necessarily get told with this much specificity. So I don't know just however people feel about it. I found it to be interesting television because It's like language is being used in vocabulary is being used that I think is pretty specific to their Community. It doesn't always get shown on TV. So I don't know I hate him. Wait, did he also like roundabout Lee waste? I don't know what I just said it was he trying to say that he's celibate now. Yeah, it's conversation with you. I just saving myself for marriage post shower. He's a born again virgin, right? So he just stepped out of the water a new man. Thanks. I think that seems like it's his subjective. It's funny that he liked. Slide that in there to like get in her good graces and then like, oh great that that's settled nicely and then let's just make out on top of each other and be overtly sexual I think was probably hoping that somebody was gonna be like, yes, I'm a virgin now to until I get married, but she know right now according with that some windmills. So when we'll talk, alright, that's anything else. He'll challenge on YouTube there is that I love you. Oh Garrett said, I love you when he got the boot. Yeah, you guys believe in love. Nothing Peter says everything Peter says breathe speaking of untrustworthy people. Let's get into our news for this week. All right, kind of quiet this week on The Bachelor news front except for the fact that another woman has come forward saying that she hooked up with Jed before he went on the show. This was allegedly 17 days prior to being on the show, which means that he also cheated on Haley Stevens the girl who's come forward saying that she was in a relationship with him before the show. No, I thought it was right before their vacation the kids shows but I think it was 17 days before the vacation vacation or something right before their Vic is something like It's battery way it was in the timeline which isn't faring well for Jed again, he is not able to do interviews yet. So we haven't had his side of the story but as always we'll continue to follow this as it develops also noteworthy that the woman who came forward said that you know, she didn't really know anything about the fact that he was going on the show or had a girlfriend kind of came forward after the fact after Hayley per story out. Not sure how much I believe that part but I don't know. What do you guys think in the chat? Let us know how you feel about this. Snooze. I like Renee said I just hope they bring on the exes for AFR at least addresses. They have noticed you're going to address it, but they're not going to bring them on because that's the Bravo route and that's the like yeah more almost like Jerry Springer like bring them out and see what happens. I don't know that that ABC would do the list they get to go on The Bachelor next season. Hmm. Well, let us know in the comments and the chat with you guys think of Jed a lot of these guys are just they're losing joints and What are the guys that were getting points for me this season like my car as at least for right now out of the race, but I have a strong feeling we'll be seeing like in the future. We're going to quickly get into a tweeting for the right reason segment guys Renee. Let's start on your end. Okay. Oh, that's mine. Okay, ha ha ha this tweet that says me to Hannah and it's oh God. Is he saying what are you and the girl goes and Indian sandwich? Because he's Glycerine guys Garrett on one side Luke on the other that's from batch bracket. Yes, we're gonna pull up the next so much. I will put the next week whoever is it is so it's a it's a video. This is my tweet. Um, the Tweet goes live footage of loopy and Garrett fighting tonight on The Bachelorette and it's a video that went viral earlier this year of two guys putting up the middle finger to each other in New York having a very silent fight. That's Petty and ridiculous. That is in SoHo. Yes, and so reminded me of Bridesmaids and Kristen Wiig in that little girl get in a fight at the counter and I will your stupid. Well your face is stupid. Yeah. That's exactly it reminded me of finally. It's one's mine. This comes from M Falk at em folk Hannah and Lola Ooh got a date hashtag The Bachelorette and then it's a comic of a man on one knee holding a bouquet of red objects and their red flags. And the caption is a dozen red flags. I love them 35. That's fair. Yeah. Oh and we are all said you had a tweet as well. And I did not that's okay no cars. We're going to read three of our five star reviews from iTunes guys. It helps so much when you guys give us those five stars on iTunes, we're going to read some of there right now. Yes, you take away. We have wine from a leak at zero eight zero eight zero one. Username, the loopy drama has not has caused me to not want to watch I skip through the parts containing him and then I come here to listen to the awesome recap. Thank you with all the different points of view on the panel. I know what America is thinking versus just how I see things can't wait for next week to listen again. Thank you so much. We've got another one from gentie for 308 six. She says love you guys. This is more entertaining than watching the actual show. I listened to the recap of season 15 episode 6 at At least three times because I couldn't believe how ridiculous that non episode was. But you made it so worth it. Shout out to you guys are hilarious and all of your theories on the peak. Crack me up. Thank you so much. 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Three 1-on-1’s, two pistol guns, one very exhausted production assistant, and a whole lotta bologna, tonight’s episode of The Bachelorette was quite the horse ride. Tune in tonight as we break down the episode with all of our thoughts from @JeffreyCGraham, @ReneeAriel, @Christineeebean & @MikeTheiling. The Bachelorette After Show: Which of the men will get the final rose? On THE BACHELORETTE AFTER SHOW we’ll fill you in on everything that happens on and off camera on the hit ABC series. Plus be bringing your favorite cast members our panel. Tune in for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes’ group dates, one on one dates, the squabbles and fights AND bonus off-season content like news updates happening in Bachelor nation. ABOUT THE BACHELORETTE: Becca Kufrin believed she had found love with Arie Luyendyk Jr. on "The Bachelor," but when the race car driver changed his mind and broke her heart so he could reunite with runner-up Lauren Burnham, the humble girl next door from Minnesota resolved not to let the heart-wrenching breakup hold her back. When the 27-year-old publicist isn't making a splash at the boutique public relations agency where she works or planning her next overseas trip, she can be found at home hosting dinner parties for her friends. She hopes to find a man who shares her firm set of Midwest values and who is actually ready to commit to her on her terms. 