Hey, I'm Gabby and I am Jessica and you ain't seen nothing yet. We both grew up on punk rock, but we also had are coming of age during the prime time of the emo scene Revolution, which sorted Blended the whole alternative scene into one black white red and neon palette Myspace taught us how to code and design emo bands taught us how to talk openly about death and mental help and trekking through festivals taught us how to be independent resourceful and resilient. We're looking back on all the whiny cringe the unevenly cut fringe top aides and internet. Hey, hey are many hours spent on our respective am accounts talking shit since 2006 is finally paying off and we're here to reflect and get nostalgic or give you a glimpse into the not-so-distant past so buckle on your second belt and cut your wrists and black your eyes. files done Hi everyone. This is Jessica. And this is Gabby high-end. This is you ain't seen nothing yet. This is the first time you're hearing our voices ever in the whole world because we wanted to do a quick little intro episode fill you guys in on what the fuck we're going to talk about over the million episodes that we're going to have exactly one much plan for he have a big fat Google talk. We like four pages of content to release over the next few years. You're stuck with us intermittently after we talked for ten minutes leading up to starting all of the above. So Gabi, why don't you tell these lovely people what is gonna be going on? All right. So within this podcast Jessica and I will be talking about dissecting trying to come to terms with reminiscing all that good stuff about the scene era and the scene kid. Cult-like era that was like, I don't know what 2003 to 2009. Yeah, something like that that weird fix year window where everything was just like Hot Topic and hairspray and my face and chiptune music. Yeah and like GarageBand and too much hair and Jonna hair too much man every day. It was like YouTube YouTube was also so deep in like Beauty influencer. So people actually knew what to look like, right and then it was like one of these kids do with their their hair their musics everything and I want to make very clear. We are looking back on this fondly. We're definitely looking back on it with a lot of cringe and a couple of regret a lot of criticism a lot of criticism on criticism a lot of conspiracy, which will mostly so much to me. He is our resident conspiracy theorist and you can hear my conspiracy about Kat Von D. That's true that's coming right up. Whatever sewed one episode 0 this is 0 and our first episode will be about Jeffree Star and that one's gonna get fucking deep that is gonna get deep and a lot. I totally forgot that this was like episode 0. Yeah, and I thought we were just hanging out and talking into my oh, that's true. Yeah. Bye. Yes, Jeffree Star what better way to start a podcast about seeing kids than Jeffree Star. The only thing that would have been better would have literally been doing episode on like the millionaires or Hollywood or like broken side. But you know what Jeffree Star was the king back then he's still the king now and we're good. We're gonna take we're all living in this world where it's Jeffrey Stars world, and we're just living in it and we're going to take you through the entire Journey. By step. Yep, so I want to talk about we we kind of touched on like some of the different aspects that came into seen culture and a but I want it. What I want to kind of do is first like kind of introduce who we are and also what we were during that time we were here you were because the for perspective like we're in our mid-20s at that time. We were like what early early preteens and early and early teens and that was That's kind of the stage. When you start really making your own decisions about like fashion and music and and then on top of that we had access to the internet that nobody before us have exactly it was a new it was a new dawn like it was it was right when the internet was starting to be able to be used for personal use at home and home Computing and social networking just became a thing and there were no rules there were no no rules. There was no YouTube. Tube there's no Spotify SoundCloud. It was just my space and blogging and we were 12 and there were there the world was our oyster and a few things to give a perspective. I had to wait 25 minutes for my computer to boot up when I first got a MySpace because our computer was that bad. She's we as many of you who are probably around our age know. Some were more fortunate than others and had another phone line. So they could use the internet and the phone at the same time. I was not that fortunate for quite some time. I don't know if you are. I always had pretty good internet. Yeah, I because because never did my brother played World of Warcraft. Okay. Yeah. He was like a pioneer of Warcraft World of Warcraft and it was his life and if we didn't have good internet, he would have burned our house. That's true. Yeah. I have like designated hours. I was allowed to be on a name and that meant in the summer I was staying up until 5 a.m. With the other kids who weren't allowed on the internet during the day but was also kind of like me because like my brother had to get his own computer so he could play World of Warcraft. So then eventually I finally got my own computer usage time and I didn't have to wait but when I had to share it with him, I didn't get to be on the computer at all and love about the middle of the night early in the morning and part of what came with all of this was kind of we were teaching ourselves a lot of things about the computer because once again, the internet was new to us, but we were like teaching ourselves how to code like valuable. Skills, I will value someone who literally Works full-time as a graphic designer right now. I started learning how to do those skills when I was 10 years old so I can put things on my MySpace. Yeah put things on like and like I learned how to put like HTML code so I could have my Twitter widget which was we're going into the Vault here kid, which was like a little box that you gotta you got a link to put in your Myspace HTML code and you got a little box that was alive. Like thing of your Twitter feed of your tweets and it was like before you can follow people. It was just like your designated Twitter profile. We're only like your friends at the click on it. So you can see what you were saying. Yeah. It was we got that dude like me when me and Gabi first became friends. We were making like bonding over making icons for our each other and ourselves. We learn like 11 and 12 years old. We were using anime bootlegged and yeah software on our parents come. Pewter High straight up took the Corpse Bride DVD not in the library rented. It wasn't that bad ass, and I imported it into my computer and made animations from the frames of Corpse Bride and then made them my a mic on and I was like 13 like I and I still to this day don't think I would have it. Like I can't it's in my brain. I'm sure that I could still do it, but I was just natural because we literally were coming up in this age where this was all fucking brand new. And and it was easy enough to understand because that's kind of what the people making these these softwares and these social networking sites and all these other things is that they wanted to embrace the fact it was home Computing and personal Computing. So everything was easy a ten-year-old right would figure out how to do most of it because that's what like the people creating it wanted it to be exactly and it was the easiest thing and I'd also like to note that we became friends by talking on AIM more than we ever spoke in real life. That's gonna vary whether friend was a sister of my friends through that. I got her aim screen name and like she was the cool door sister, and I just wanted to be her friend. So I just I used to message her all the time and like comment on all of her Myspace things like Coolpix or and then like weirdly something exactly like one day I saw her in the flesh. Threw a snowball at her and you've been friends over that is how that was and then the next day she tried to buy my My Chemical Romance shirt off of me. Why do you always have to be so fussy? I would still buy it off of you. I feel that it was really good how I designed the merch for your like preview and and I got it printed and even like yeah that I had a chance Ages were doing. Yeah, like I straight up I had a band and we just played My Chemical Romance covered and we definitely thought we were going to do more than that, but Gabby was on board and like we I took a video on my digital camera and the audio was garbage, but I taught myself how to extract the audio from the video put it up on my face music so that we had an official recording even though we never went to a studio and from that one recording Gabby decided. She was our biggest fan true made one t-shirt true. I made it an MS paint, but it did not look like it was made in Ms. Paint believe me. But yeah, you is good vectors of like red flowers. And I use this cool typewriter font, and I knew how to save it. Yeah, Angie so I could get it printed on a good shirt and a guy like how much you like the typewriter font at that. Oh the typewriter for everything like thinking back and I carried a little bit still has a very special place. And so I think the the ability to customize things on the internet and also like how to be subversive in your like home without alerting your parents incredibly like I think that's what made that throw appealing to like the scene in emo kind of generation there and like I'll go on the record. I think that I never personally you can totally call me out on this. I don't ever think that I got as seriously seen as some other people did know you guys only did it not even like in like I agree with you in my and inform my perspective. Like I also me too, but you weren't even on the level that I was yeah most part so like there are people That are like that were in it a lot. Right? Especially when I think about how like people who are probably like 18 to 21 during that time that could like go to bars and likely clubs and stuff and I was like, oh those people probably had the weirdest time of their lives solutely, but we were 12 and this is our perspective of it. And we also like depended on our parents to take us to the mall and allow us to buy things and like actually improve our makeup and like my mom didn't give me permission and dye my hair black until two of my friends and I I'd their hair black horse and she was like, oh, well, I guess you know, I was lucky my parents. Let me start dying my hair when I was in the fifth grade. I know by when you stained my bath I did that was math Panic. Yeah, that's another great story about this time period and now I've continued to stay in all my bathrooms everything. We've also bald died each other pair for each other most of the rainbow. I think we've missed out on maybe orange and yellow and other than that, but yellow we pleased her hair. So yeah, we'll take it. Yeah, I'll tell. Except it all out. But yeah, so that's kind of where we were at that point. We both also like grew up on Punk and I feel like that's kind of--yeah where we went in our adulthood as well. So yeah, we definitely both got in different and similar ways sucked into kind of what was popular at that time still flaps and some of it. I'm like what was rocking wrong with us? Who is we who is looking out for us? Why did we get to tell you any experience all about and that's what this podcast is all about. Just looking. Back at it all and being like still slaps or where you're like, you can't breathe because you're like, why are they talking about that? I was trying to I was trying to suppress that forever. And now I'm having to deal with the fact that like I used to like cry to a camera with like mascara tears going down my face and then I posted for the public if you have to think about it. I mean we have to think about it you and I think about it and that's it. That's so if you don't like it then go away and I don't know you tell me that's all I got a fucking saying like it then go away go away. Just go somewhere go somewhere else. So. I guess let's talk a little bit about the seat like outside of our perspective. But what we still were able to see what we were seeing here during this fucking scene are like if you picture the stereotypical seen boy and the stereotypical seen girl, let's break that down for a minute. Okay? Which one do you want to taik to him? Take a girl or do you want to take the boy? Do you want to go first? I'll go first. Yeah, so I've seen boys. As the object of our affection at that time. I had a whole photo album on my photo bucket, which barely exist anymore. That was like holding hot emo scene boy. Yeah. I think we I find your everyone because at that time Photobucket had a browser and you could just drag things to the top of the brow. It was called flock and you could just drag images to the top of the browser and it would download them to your photo bucket. So my Photobucket is like an archive of the fucking internet because it's not only Only my personal thing if everything it's everything I saw that I thought was interesting. It's basically just like a fucking suitcase of cringy garbage. But most of what that is are men who are lanky who are wearing very tight jeans and there that is that overlaps with being emo. The single is kind of took on some of the colors so you would see like hot pink pants boy or like pastel hoodie. Shirt that you can see their nipples three exactly and like obviously not all of these people were skinny. But this was like the Apex of perfect right my in seen Royal exact was and you know, no eyes these people did not have that in our they have like one eye they might Empower themselves to wear makeup once in a while if they were so inclined but that typically was reserved for photos only like so like I'm in the room. I'm in the House with my mom but she's never gonna see this kind of thing or like you're at a show and all your friends. Like we're gonna put makeup on Joe and then you know, you do that shows wearing makeup and then you all take pictures of Joe perfect. And that's and also like we know baggy clothing here like the the hoodies were to size. You could borrow them from a sister. I always oh, yeah brother borrowed my clothes. Oh, yeah, I'm fine. Firstly and yeah, I mean that was the benefit of that. I always wish that I had like a brother so that I could just kind of like do that swap. But yes, it just is they all kind of looked alike? Whereas with girls? I feel like it was a little bit more diverse and then I was honestly super fucking interesting. Yeah, there were there were different leagues. I would definitely different like classifications. Yeah a scene girl like and like going back to what we said before where you were like, well, I wasn't really as in it. Uh some people yeah, you were also like if I had to classify you like to the older kids we were all the like little seen tween girls. Like it didn't matter like if I was wearing Hello Kitty all the time and you just were band shirts and like Spike Bell, right? We thought we were two completely different people but those kids are like those are the seen little girl exactly like it didn't matter because like when you look at when you zoomed out that we all looked the same. Oh, yeah matter but like I guess like some girls like we're really like bubblegum poppy like It was like this mixture of just like pink and cotton candy colored like hair and makeup and lip gloss and like, you know, like Hello Kitty and like my melody and Nails pattern tokidoki and like zebra print leopard print like you would wear like your pink leopard print shirt under your Hello Kitty shirt what you're like tight skinny jeans or like you would just wear it with like ripped neon green stockings. This is an exact Gabby. Oh, this is what I used to wear. I never had green stockings. Yeah, that's true. I never said I was also not like I was always overweight as a teenager. Yeah, I would have never worn that to begin with like couldn't and then like you had like people more your speed that just had like the black hair wear like some red or some pink or some like bleach Parts in it two belts to my beetles one practical belt and one Axon. That looks like black like probably black jeans just band t-shirt. Yeah and like wristband writing like hoodie with the finger hole. How do you with the finger roll? My mom thinks I invented that. Oh you did I will make sure I never let her know your secret again, and she is 100% convinced. I'm like, I feel like I'm there was a different but there was people who like Blended those tools. Yeah. I think I kind of did yeah, I did go all into like the fairy theater. Teen girl but I also like I was really into music, so we're all my friends. And so I guess we would do that, but then that's kind of how those like really colorful like big text band t-shirts were think if anyone looks back at that and doesn't know how that happened. It was because of seeing kids. Yeah marketing to the kids that were wearing all these like colorful things with their like but dark makeup and dark hair and they needed that like almost anime look. Yeah all of the their existence their aesthetic. That's that's how those t-shirts happen. That's right. And I guess that's like that's really a lot of bracelets sometimes bracelets like all the way up to your elbow. You make the beaded candy like what real I can't. Oh, no, that was a big thing. Okay. So another like aspect is like you're pulling for my club looks and like the Rave scene of like older kids. So you would have the candy up to your elbow right the big fuzzy sock boot thing and like the big like chunky dog necklaces that were like emblems and like also like the idea he of like doing drugs and being perpetually drunk even though you were like 38 pulled a lot from like that Rave club culture and then like the emo and like Punk culture and then like anime and it just like all of them hit together at an intersection. And then yeah girl that way like 70 pounds wearing like Chuck Taylor Converse just kind of like came stumbling out and that was it. That's a good thing. It was a crazy amount of the nation of like a million migrants stuff. The state you were lucky. Yeah, honestly, I'm probably better are so lucky. So one thing that I want to do a just once again to give you an idea of who me and Gabi are even though at this point. If you're listening to the first episode, you know, who you're definitely not a lot of people met us as in adulthood and may not know our dark path. And so that's what we're here to are out for you today. So me and Gabi are going to ask each other a couple of questions regarding our individual seen eras. Like I said, we had different levels of them. We were on kind of different wavelengths, but I think it would be fun to kind of get into that. So you get a kind of a feel for where we're coming from because like I think both of us kind of started out at a sitting love for Green Day. Oh, yeah, and then from there we were already alternative and needed to kind of keep going in that direction. And that kind of came from our poor game. What you no matter what direction is it was like you love Green Day. I like the age of like eight or nine. Yeah, and then you got into like middle. Wall, like early middle school and then you write while I Love My Chemical Romance and rare wearing weird makeup all over their faces. And yeah y'all dye their hair and then from there it was like Palace a disco really like pain that show really also made that huge shippo also would like early Fall Out Boy. Yes, that's true. No Panic at the Disco wouldn't exist without Pete one's exactly and then like Good Charlotte and like Billy had like pink and red hair write something and it just got to a point where everything was involving right? Wanted to keep up no matter what it meant. You looked like that day, but you were just like okay, I guess tomorrow. I'm dying my hair like, oh like glitter green eye liners exact size. And then Hayley Williams came in and blew the shit. She ruined it for everyone. She was like, oh my God. It's okay to be a girl weird. I thought I had to be a man. Mildly is the middle of genders at all time. Love it. Yeah. So let's let's talk about this game when I go back and forth or do you want to ask all yours? And then I'll ask him for it. That sounds And to me if you're cool with that, alright, so my so one major thing that was a huge part of our Lives kind of during this era was going to shows and a lot of times you had to get merchandise when you were at a show or like for me like I would have a at the beginning of the school year. My mom would be like you can order like two things online from like, you know, the band that you like. I'm like fucking smart Punk or something like that are part of our holy shit. Let's fucking do this and some bands had really fucking great Mercy. - and some bands had merch worm like you are marketing this to Children. What the fuck are you doing? So my question for you is what piece of merge do you wish that you still had and follow up question which piece of merge would you like to permanently wiped from your memory? Okay, so I have an automatic answer for the first question. Okay, because I was tweeting about it recently to Forest of Hellogoodbye who follows me on Twitter for some reason. I don't know why. He follows me probably about the only person that cares about them still - but I saw them one time ever and it was like all the already way past their Heyday way past like zombies and aliens and you know all their their big stuff and I went to go see them and they were selling this gray pullover hoodie and it fit me perfectly and it had two little otters holding hands on it and it said like in script under it Hellogoodbye. It was really subtle. It was like the most Troll thing. I owned as like a junior in high school and like I had never worn a pullover before because they usually didn't fit me well, but that one you that one just like hit the sweet spot and I got a bunch of oil stains on it. And I think I eventually the front pocket fell off and then like wait the whole like I don't like stop there and then like I probably still didn't like it relevant, but my mom probably found it. It was probably like, oh no, we're going to get rid of it and like I think like up until a month. Month ago. I was tweeting like if anyone has this funny or if you have like a deep pop link, I will buy it off of you because I wanted so bad that is so I wish I would do a lot to get that honey, but I completely I was a goody I think for me in terms of like what I would wish that I still had there's all the from first to last year. It's I have a really good like the dart on those really sick. The skeleton was killed but yes green Fanta everybody had that shirt. It was a skeleton. I didn't heed and it said First less if you didn't have it. You knew someone who had it and wanted it degrees of Kevin Bacon for like where someone had this fucking shirt, but if we're talking about like what I genuinely wish that I had back that's a really good question. Probably fuck. I had a Greeley Estates hoodie. That was the comfiest remember that hoodie in the fucking world, and I hated it then because I really didn't like when hoodies didn't have designs. Like over the like when they had them in the corner because that was the big thing is like put a design in the corner. But now I'm like super into that and I don't know so there was something that hoodie was so comfy, but I did not appreciate it the way I should have appreciated it because I was mad about where the design was and I would love to have that back fuck and I also when I saw Jeffrey started for the first time, I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about that in the next episode especially but I did buy a t-shirt that I lost 20 minutes later. I don't wish I still had it. I just wish I didn't lose it because that was $20 and I didn't have a job. But what about ones that you would like to wipe from your memory thing? I don't remember if it was you or someone else who gave me their Jeffree Star shirt that I had four. Yeah. It must have been me and it's it must have said like because I got one somebody gave me their right and I must have said like we want cunt under the words Jeffree Star and I was rocking that as a thirteen-year-old. I have a picture of it. Remember I found that picture recently of me wearing it maybe in the background. Sitting on the floor. Yes. Yeah, we'll look at it. I don't I don't know what to do. I feel like if it said we won't count on it. I wouldn't have wore it true. But if it did I want to wipe that but also I had read heavy heavy Lolo sweatpants and if someone held a gun to my head right now and ask me to name one song by that band couldn't tell you I just really thought it was cool that a band was showing sweatpants has emerged that I could wear for gym class and seem a lot cooler than everyone else. I understand my brother. Listen to them so like close enough. Yeah, but and I lost those. Yeah, like I wish that and like the name always kind of grossed me out. Yeah, I don't know but feel uncomfortable. So I would wipe those heavy and I love or sweatpants out of my life and all the fucking booty shorts like that was gonna be my anger is I mean, I never had them because I too was an overweight teen and they never fit me and even if they did they just did not look good on my pregnant looking self. So I was luckily saved The Misfortune of having booty shorts that said like shake it Metro station. It's like a preteen but I want to forget that those happened. I think they had their place. I think it would have been cool to have shorts, but it got weird. It did get weird and no weird. This will play into an episode that we do where I talk about how Hellogoodbye influenced everything in the scene kid error and Beyond And and that's because their music video for Shimmy Shimmy quarter turn all the guys are wearing those green fucking booty shorts and everything 2005 2006 and then from there fucking took off. Wow, and all the way to the top because all the way to the top shit. Okay? All right, that's cool. We give me one. All right, I have one. Yes, I have one. Okay. Okay. So who's the most obscure person you still follow but are not friends with that you met through my face I Came Out Swinging. With this one. Oh my God. Okay. Look I because a lot of these didn't migrate to like Instagram for me, right? So I guess it would really have to be on Twitter since we were both. Yeah, really about there being. Um, so it's hard to think about because I'm you people so often. Oh hell. Yeah. Um, please lose to let me think about that. Do you have one? I like don't have one like comes like that that I don't know. I feel like I've met most people that I've been internet friends. Okay, but um, I guess there's a Probably like two instances like Barbara. Yeah, and so long story short. I was Myspace friends with a girl named Barbara since I was 12, and we I knew we lived in the same state. I didn't know where she was from in relation to where I was living but then fast forward to me being an adult and I live with Jessica and our first apartment and we eventually have another roommate who grew up with Barbara and we had a housewarming party and she came to the party and it was our first time ever Meeting but we had been internet friends since we were preteens. That's why I was really really really interesting. And then also my friend Jack who catfished my other friend and like we are and that's a good answer. Hey, dude, I'm like, he's in this really cool movie coming out. It's called I think like Adam or something and it's looks really cool. Look it up on YouTube. Yeah, but he's like a pretty successful actor now and then Now what I used to follow him on Instagram and I probably only like talk to him like twice in person. But every time I see him, I'm just like, oh, you're the guy that catfished my friend when we were 12, but now you're like really successful in your really nice and arriving. It was either you catfished or were catfish. I got was that's really about it. I was just thinking the other day like I didn't really get to be a part of enough catfishing and I really should have went for it. You could be taking some of mine. I would have gladly given the like, I was just too scared of men. N and the internet are fully be a part of that. I should have been more afraid of night. And that's probably true to answer your question though. I did kind of think of something. So this is actually something that's gonna come up in the podcast pretty frequently. But when I was in 8th or the summer after eighth grade, I joined the official From First to Last fan club called the K VLT. Yes, this will come up quite a lot of will because of Reason. Hey comp every room so At that, but you basically what it was you were supposed to get like a whole bunch of things in the mail. You were supposed to get perks when you went to the shows like every show had a meet and greet before the show no matter what my 50 extra dollars on top of your ticket. Yeah. It was just like you paid thirty dollars a year, I believe and you got, you know, all these things. Like I said all these things in the mail you got access to all these shows and a lot of different things. You've got your own email address, which I never got because I came in you were supposed to get like at kvl t-dot-com. I never got that and but the main thing of that is there was a chat room and it was 24 hours a day 7 days a week. There were people in the kvl teachout room. And so when new people came in everybody just kind of added each other on MySpace like gave each other their screen names and there are still like so many people from those days that I am still friends with on the internet and stuff like that. I'm even friends with some of those. Yeah, because I knew you were friends. With the body internet and like they like my stuff and they're very nice. Ya know. A lot of them are really fucking cool people and a lot of times I don't even think about how we met and then sometimes I ended up becoming friends with people just from those shows as well. I know one who's gone to jail. I know ones who are grown up with kids now and I'm just kind of like, I really have to like kind of climb to the back of my memory to figure out how the fuck I met these people but for the most part like most of my internet friends did come from that chat room, right and also, That is so I just want to take a moment to say a major joke in my life has been for many years now that when I signed up for the kvl TA, I never received the perks you were supposed to be talking to you mad could it was ripped straight to Sunny more zeros right fucking now wasn't his fault, but he's rich and he can send me one if you want. I um, it was called the kvl. LT package, and for now, what is 4480 six days? I have been waiting to receive a t-shirt a laminate a sticker and I think that's it. What did you get like a CD? I think I got a CD as well. Like I don't know I think some sort of CD or something, but it was definitely a t-shirt a laminate and a sticker and I never received it. So Skrillex, if you're was fairly severe listening, please replicate these items for my pleasure and I will regularly be Dating you the listeners on how many days it has been since July 10th 2007. I went back in my email and found the confirmation when I ordered my KV LT package with the whole thirty dollars that I had as an eighth grader and never received my items and it shut down less than a year later. My next question is when you know, we we have our music that we tend to listen to now we're We're into some similar shit. We're into some different shit. But I know sometimes you know, I want to get nostalgic and I want to like listen to shit that I was into and I was a kid what bands do you default to for genuine Nostalgia that still slap? Okay. So I've already mentioned this and it's going to come as no surprise to anyone don't like Iraq out too hard to Hellogoodbye still a year 2019 and I'm not talking about the weird new like disco album. They've out fins and like would it kill you is a pretty good album, but it's more like them trying to be nevershoutnever after like the scene conveys like fizzled out but like the original like like zombies aliens and whatever the fuck is he pee before that that I can't remember the name to because I'm a fake fan like I put that shit on in my car and I lose my my like that's probably like my immediate go to and I wish I had like a more like hardcore one I got A heavier band that like I could go like I got to but I really because I never I wasn't into all that means right as much as I was into all the like kind of like Cynthia like yeah up stuff. So like them like not gonna lie listened to alcohol by the millionaires today does not slap not good 10 out of town, but that is kind of like where we diverged a little bit like you were a little bit more. The sympathy, you know, like this is really a really fast fucking BPM and it's yeah and where I was like a little more like posts but we kind of met in the middle it but we are going dead meat in them. But then II got I like fucking Norma Jean and like a lot of them weren't emotion. And so mine would have definitely be like the first Hawthorne Heights album slaps the second night also flap and the first scary kid scaring kids are always really into the hi. Anyone, I knew me and my boyfriend listen to scary could scare kids on the fucking rag nice. That's like when we're driving and we've like exhausted our normal contenders that fucking album comes out here. Like let's fucking go and that guy's died he time the singer of scary because scaring kids like died of a drug overdose. Yeah. I know. I I kind of sometimes forget and I'm like Wednesday. What are they gonna get back together goofy? Oh no. Oh, you know what? Heavier side I put on like senses Phil's first like EP that has like answer on that 187 and no that's all like, what's the other like what's a free fall without a parachute and like those things saw laps? That is like so good. I know it's like a thing that people yell play 187 and yes, but I don't know that song I am I getting good idea take a walk down memory lane. With my boy buddy buddy is on New Jersey's finest new dreams hide it but he deals with this is an open invitation for you to come on this podcast. If you ever want to go we have to have a whole buddy episode. Oh we oh my God, we have we even talked about this know it we need to add it to the spread. You know what we have with that said to be really good. I mean, he's a really nice guy and he really does talk to all of his fans online. So maybe we could get him to come somebody to help buddy to get his ass back to New Jersey and Beyond the podcast because he lives in like New Mexico or Arizona. Yeah. He fucking dipped his kid is traitor so fuck his kid is very cute. But then like he made a song on the the newest album Like New Jersey makes the world takes and I'm like, you know, what buddy? Yeah. Someone had to say it was like to be in a while. I had oh my God. Damn our oh Phil Murphy's re-election. Okay, so like, okay. So from the depth of Dreams has free fall without a parachute bloody romance dreaming a reality 1-8-7 guns and second chances. I know that's all I know that I don't think I could sing the chorus but I definitely know that song. Okay? Yeah. All right. All right. What else you got for me God? Oh, yeah. It's my turn. It's okay. Tell me a story from your most obscure social networking platform. And what happened to that platform. Holy I really I brought it. That's a good question. All right, so my answer is obviously going to be about Gaia. I So Gaia Online was a how the fuck do I describe? It wasn't I know there's like a technical term for this kind of online game, but it was PG. I don't think it's because they're really it wasn't a story and there wasn't a platform to play the game on. Yeah, you just kind of were able to at some point but it was really just like a version what role-playing I would it definitely was role playing but it wasn't I don't know. I'm sure there's a name for what guy online is but to describe at anyone who was fortunate enough not till you use it. It was you designed an avatar and you could if they had like they went off they had all the scene hair. They had all year long hair emo accessories. They you know, they literally made things you can model characters after like the bands that you like, but they made sure that no matter what hot emo boy who were looking to be on this website. You could be them and you also were able then Had insane customization on their profile. So for a while, I wasn't allowed on MySpace because I had an incident and I lived solely, uh name and my secret my space when I was at friends houses and Gaia Online. So to give you a it was it was forums. It was a MySpace style kind of profile and it was customizing your character only of those are so story-wise. I had a message chain with like five friends on their who that I believe was over like a hundred thousand messages like and it wasn't like instant messenger. It was kind of like Forum kind of thing. So it was really a we call that like the for us. I remember you talking really fucking huge and just like he was posted on his if it was instant messaging but it was forums like you like picture or Reddit post that right. I was a just got to come back like picture like being on red. I would only your friend exactly. Is absurd imagine if Discord was a social networking site. Yeah, it's kind of like that and and just like had friends and all of you just went on it and you typed like LOL. Did you like look at the sky today? But what we what we did was we had multiple accounts. We had our regular accounts and then we literally made like alternate gender accounts. Oh, yeah everyone I knew had the regular one and then like they're super emo Like fictional boy. Boyfriend and away, so I don't know that there's definitely that and then of course I was xanga person. So I weigh both where we were crossing on xanga. Yeah, even before it evolved to live Journal it was nanga and I literally just assign off my posts as Queen of the scene because I didn't know what seen culture was right and all I knew it was before I'd heard about like seeing kids and stuff like that. What I knew of the scene was like people going to show right? And stuff like that and I had at that point been to two shows like besides but Irene a concert in a My Chemical Romance cards are I'd gone to like to show that The Local School of Rock and I was Queen of the fucking see you were clean. So I guess that's kind of what I did in the Obscure depths of the internet, but what about you go? Well what I thought of this question I was thinking about the Sangha. Yeah, because that was my first introduction to blogging and like customization of like an online page like picking your colors and like Minds were always like blues and reds. Like that was my thing. Yeah, and then I was like, I also had a b-bow which was like, okay, but I had online friends that I had made probably through livejournal organ ago who were from the UK so they encouraged me to get one and I never used it only to talk to my one friend that was in the UK don't know where he is today. But but then I remembered the favor. I am very old you were going to say I'm like, I just feel like it needs to be talked about. I feel like I don't know everything you did on I am I didn't do anything I envy you so I am to you for those who never got had the displeasure of having an account on this site was okay. So it was pretty like technically Advanced for among social media sites. So not only did you make a cool profile. We're kind of like your Myspace you had your picture and you can have different backgrounds and Custom. Colors and like little glitter graphics and you can write all about yourself on it and you get a friend's you also it was a piece of software like a game like an app that you download it onto your computer and in the one and it was like the Sims. So like you had a social networking profile attached to your little Avatar Sim character and you can make it look however the fuck you wanted and they were really cool. They were a really Advanced for that time like where I was like Gaia were these little pixelated like anime characters and most places with Avatars were that you could like design a whole room for your character to live in and then like you could like get rent you once you made your character and like how it looked whatever you wanted. You can go into a chat and it would match you with random people who are also on the platform from Wild all over the world and it was so dangerous. I I'm afraid of it. So dangerous. I got catfished at least three different times of sight and then like there are some cool people that I talked to for quite a while meaning through that site. But like oh, yeah, it was bad and my character when I first started when I was like in the sixth grade, I still had my blond hair. It was before I started perpetually dying my hair black which I still do to this day. My character always had like short dirty blond hair with pink at the end and then like a skull shirt and then like, I don't know jeans or something. Yeah and like Converse shoes and like you could literally you literally just got match with random people and then you would like chat with them in your little hangout than they could like. You could like select a dance together or like high-five or go skateboarding. Like it was really advance for like 2007 this question. Could your characters make out or was I dreaming that know they could okay. They are a hundred percent. I needed to know if I was afraid for the right reasons know they could also like have sex but I was also like 30, I wouldn't know anything about that that's been pretty sure cause like my profile like said I was like under 18. So I've even tried to click those buttons it would to that. I can really good right. Right, at least they at least they thought of that praise Christ had some crazy fucking but apparently it's still a thing where you can get an IMVU a pie like just brought it up on my we do that know that for like a month and then talk about things and guy is still up to but I logged into my guile less than a year ago. And I read messages. Oh God, he was insane even imagine it was II tried to do it the other day because I was trying to answer a question for a friend that was trying to figure out whose username on Gaia was attributed to a certain person. Oh my God, and so I was like, all right, I could just log in again. I can't do it. I managed to do it a year ago, but somewhere in the last year you off I want memory and I'm so bummed about it because boy those messages was fucking wild and like my profile still sitting there with like the usual even if you think about it like because like my space had a huge data wipe and like yeah really access like your profile anymore. Yeah, like a lot of those places like Photobucket is completely different now and great granted you can get back in and look at your photos, but some like albums would be like locked or they're gone. Yeah, you can't navigate the site as easily as you did you once could yeah, so it's crazy that your profile is yeah. I'm touch it's it's the formatting is not all there. Right but the content is still there and I can still read comments. That's crazy. Like are there still completely they're like, I don't think anyone could find it in like a search. Of my brain because I don't think I ever used my real name on there. But like yeah, it's still fucking sitting there and people are using it. There's like new features and shit. So what time is it? It's like it was like Neopets for seeing kids literally strip, but unlike a little bit more interactive than you but was kind of things Club Penguin. Yeah. Yeah because we were all the era that was kind of like I never really did the Club Penguin thing, but I think like maybe two years younger than us kind of well. Yeah, they were a penguin. Uh, yeah, we didn't club before like or kids who had really strict parents with their online usage and they all wanted to play things like Gaia or I am beyond their parents wouldn't let them so they could have a Club Penguin. I love the idea of such a good idea love. No, I think you eat like last year at shut down or something which emotional media platform did know which social media Network did Say he would from Family Force 5 steam know he was gonna be my vowel be your Valentine. Yeah, we've have a hotel a hotel. I never ever ever even heard of it before they did like that online promo. Yeah doing a Family Force 5 Chad and how about hell and I kept asking them to be my Valentine is around Valentine's Day and soul glow from Family First 550 would be mine. You have the screenshot printed. I have the screenshot printed on my door. It was in our dorm room. I knew that that's a visit. Shamed I mean I don't blame you. I got one more question for you. Hit me I can you describe what what what or who you desperately wanted to look like when you first discovered seen an emo style because obviously we did not look like the pictures we were seeing. Oh, yeah, the older kids who are fucking killing it. No. Yeah, I think like when you first like said like oh, this is what my cool questions. I wrote I was like, oh fuck you had it Prime examples. You were like, oh these people Blah blah blah, let's go. I don't really think because I also like I think I just kind of like would just spend all my time going emo kid like and being like that's like I didn't know these people understand it then also like I guess like probably like Lindsey from MSI probably like peak of my list that he had the black hair. She was right now her makeup always looked perfect. She wore the Plaid skirt and like the black like collared shirt or like the like sweater vest kind of like nerdy kind of like, Goth look down kid, and then there was also people just like I don't like Audrey kitching. Yeah and like larger-than-life Myspace like celebrities that like I just like was like, ah their hair is so perfect. Right all their makeup always looks good, or they have these cool sunglasses and I want those cool sunglasses right and like probably like but like if I had to pick one person it would probably be like Lindsey from yeah. I'm a cyanide even really listen to them that much money like that girl is a great example who's like that girl's hot. Groans God I want to be here. Yeah, I I guess also just like I took a lot for my mail. Like that's what I was gonna say. It's what because like Gerard Way was very like flamboyant and like kind of like did whatever and so did Billie Joe Armstrong and like also like I didn't care if I was gonna put on a shirt and tie one day and booing. Oh American Idiot, exactly. It didn't matter. I got wasn't trying to dress feminine at all at the same. So it didn't really matter. I just kind of wanted to look like Billy Joe. Joe and Gerard Way and like the people they Associated right like that. That was it. Yeah II was the same way like I would see kind of like the men and kind of aspire to be more like right because I didn't feel like a really girly Personnel me neither and I didn't feel like I was never going to have long hair. I'm never going to have like Coon Tails or anything like that. So like I saw people like Andy Biersack Ryan, right YG in the Myspace days was like if Googled hatim. Oh boy. That was who came to I was obsessed with him. We are he was beautiful and he was like around our age and you know, you looked at him. You're like his hairs fucking perfect like he dresses so nice. He likes the bit in the same band fifty thousand friends on MySpace. Yeah. So I think like first and foremost it was it was him and definitely like the Gerard Way Brian of like Billie Joe Armstrong like gender ambiguity kind of thing. I Always had a fucking tie on even if it is over a T-shirt and I had to get the same tie that trade cool had and like it was just like I A lot of it was men. And and then from there I when I started learning more about bands and then learning about bands that had women in them and being like Oh, like you're the best of both worlds. I got really into the distillers when I was 12 or 13, and I was like Brody Dalle. I need to be her she is what I feel like inside. Because she you know, she she was not afraid to be a woman but she also had this kind of like still tomboyish nature about her and she like did the whole combination of like makeup and band shirts all the fucking time while also like fucking shredding on guitar. I don't like you're the coolest person I've ever seen and then like I said before like Hayley Williams really switched everything up for everyone and we all had kind of like a different thing that we pulled from Haley like I never wanted to have Check know but I always was wanted to have hair be my pop of color in otherwise a darker color, right? She was a little like granted you would like the first big big like female music icon for Our Generation for us. But I feel like I didn't know how to dress to my body shape until I saw pictures of Hayley Williams dressing like a cool like Punk girl. Yes. I was like, oh, I just need to stop buying shirts that are three times too big for me. And like just like find like a high-waisted pant. That fits me nicely. That's right. I can look exactly like that. But like up until then I was wearing like 1xl Green Day sure, right like a tie over them and like fucking pants. That didn't fit me Chloe. Yeah, like and we were fucking terrified of our bodies. But yeah, I was like I can wear like slim fit clothing and still like be cool. But like it was the first time I didn't see like being like feminine as As being like kind of lame when I was like Zack, okay, I can still be like this cool Punk Rock Girl. Yeah, but I can dress like that and still be and still good do my own thing. Yeah, which was like a big deal. Absolutely and recently. I was having a really good conversation with my friend Adrian who's trans and they said that now in adulthood they're getting to kind of dress like how they wanted to dress when they were like a young emo kid, but because they know So uncomfortable, like kind of tastes like pulling that masculinity from like people like Gerard Way and and people like Adam lazzara and stuff like that. But now as an adult like the emo boy as of 2007 are this person's like style info and that's something I never thought about it was an amazing perspective and I'm like, I really want to have them on the show and talk more about that because really cool. I love the idea that that was so important. Fluent will for us comfortable in our skin. I had that you know, like cisgendered girls and we were just kind of like, oh, yeah, like I'm gonna be like this boy, but Who's acting like a girl right in our eyes, but at the time like that had to be so interesting and eye-opening for people who are questioning that I don't know. I love that. I just thought that was a really cool thing to find out. It's really interesting and I don't know style icons. There's still shit that we can pull from that era that I will stand by. Forever and ever the to choose over jeans though. No absolute needed to never happen speaking of tutus and like it's gonna sound lame because it wasn't a scene kid thing. It was like pre seen kid. But like I feel like a lot of girls and like you probably too like Avril Lavigne really changing the game for me when we do not want to admit it after a while. No did that I was like standing Avril Lavigne in third and fourth grade and like like I had very supportive parents. Who like, you know like thought it would be cool if I do, you know dress. However, I wanted and dyed my hair and did all that stuff. But like the like my parent like when they would see every will be music videos a big. Okay, we're going to go and buy you like that tie and that like cool belt that yeah wearing and she has Converse on so we're gonna get you Converse for a new school. Yeah. I'm like that really like kind of with a smooth transition into things like Green Day and My Chemical Romance is still wearing those like like, oh, what's the Avril Lavigne video where she's all the straw and she's like, I'm just fucking punk like that is Crying, you're a poser. That was me. Yeah, I mean that was if you ask 10 women from that time like full disclosure don't even deny it like was ever-lovin your gateway into becoming emo scene everybody. Yes, because that was the first like mainstream subversiveness that was accessible. I think to the people that are pink when she was good and not terrible and making something I have the lyrics to school too cool for school or to school for cool or whatever. It is. Listen, but like I used to sit on my computer and watch the don't let me get me. Yeah, he had the bright hot pink streaks in her like non-stop being like my hair needs to look like misunderstood was a fucking punk records. Yeah. I stand behind that to this fuck outta here is the point of this party. I just by the end of all of it after a million episode, you will believe that fucking what the fuck was the name of that that whole album was fucking And that's it. That's all I have to say family portrait was the first time I realized that families were fucked up. Hell. Yeah. I was like man. I'm emo. I don't know it yet. But I am pink Avril Lavigne and like Gwen Stefani. You know, she really coming out of being like this scar Queen of the Universe. Yeah, but she was still really cool and badass the old acted. She was like she was she passed she got the past. We are definitely a some point going to talk about artists who got the pass from emo Kelly because like we were also, So okay with fucking that song grills. Do you remember this song grills fuck maybe it was just the thing in my gravy that time but like there was a lot of hip hop songs that I think got the crowd a lot of like hip-hop got the past. Yeah, but we'll talk more about about that's a big thing that I feel like needs to tell him into the light. Do you have one more question? Yes, I did. I couldn't remember we be an easy one. All right. I know it's a very obscure one, right the very me question. What food or drink did you force yourself? The like because it was big in the scene like crunk juice Monster energy drinks hockey Etc. So, oh man, I mostly found out everyone had one. Yeah, I mostly found out about most of them from you to be perfectly honest. I'm like energy drinks and shit I never did but um, oh no, I know. I have an answer for this. I mean Ring Pops, are they still slap? But I feel like a lot more Ring. Pops were sold that that's right, and I still love ring. Pop's those are still really fucking good. So I don't know if that's a great album. You know, what pop rocks was a Big Poppy Pig candy and you know Green Day did that to Pop Rocks this huge also. Oh my God anything that hot topics a lot of good like the gummy things like it was the dummy vampire teeth. Oh, yeah. They had all the like crazy gummies. Yeah, and those were gross like we're all cut any gummy thing. That's like bigger than a gummy worm is problematic to me. I yeah because like Typically just like there's too much going on there. But yeah, it was mostly the things like you said from Hot Topic don't hundred things like that. But oh they had like those blood bags that was like liquid sugar. Like people would never have made me sick looking at them. I pictured thinking like I pictured just eating the gummy vampire fangs and that was oh that was so problematic for me, but I think it was harder for us sometimes because we didn't live in an area where you can just walk into a store and Get things so it was like we had to go to be driven to the mall like an hour away. And that was when we got to like fucking wild out and get all these things. So, um, I mean just the general food court was like, oh yeah. That was a thing. I'm Gonna Leave My idolized the idea of the food court, but other than that definitely the gummy fangs and the food court. He'll fuckin. Yeah. What about you? Probably energy drinks? Yeah. I was that was your shit test with them and I was like 11 to 13 and had like irreversible stomach damage for like 2 years because all I did was like my parents would let me go hang out with my friends and they give me like five or ten dollars in case like we ended up getting going somewhere and getting a snack or like, you know, in case I needed emergency money and I would just buy like four cans of monster and I've mostly take photos with them and then drink them and then I would be like, I got to the point where I couldn't eat food because like that I said reflux and like indigestion I had was so bad that I would just throw up after it because all I was doing was putting all that shit in my preteen body like felt like because like the marketing of those drinks were like so good Rockstar Energy Drink and I read below a sponsored concerts and things like that and so did rock star insulted monster and like it was everywhere you went and all these older kids were like take drinking hanging out drinking them together and I am using the Monster Energy like logo and font on things like really weird and like they had probably the best example of like, really Like viral branding at the time evidence if it wasn't like everything was viral. He'll like it is today but like they were the best example so your pink monster. Can I got to take a picture with that for my MySpace and then post a bulletin about how I drank it? He's like so like I would just go and like the only thing walking distance for me was a deli that yelled energy drinks. So I'm like, all right, and then I ended up working there in high school. So yeah. Well like I would just go and like get monsters and red bulls and like rock star even though I never rocks and was my favorite. Well, I was trying or Full Throttle was all yours. Yeah, and I drank those shits so much and I'm thinking about it now. I was like, why did my parents let me drink that. Yeah, I think they should have been like what the fuck are you doing? You're poisoning yourself? My mom got mad at me on a recent road trip because I wanted to get a Red Bull for the right granted. I drink to I drank so much of those you really did. I have a vivid memory of you throwing up in my the mini golf. Yeah, that was me that happened. Yeah, but probably I definitely cashed in on like the mini the mini conflict the minute your energy drink. You know, I got that mini golf buddy. I really did old you remember the drink cocaine? Oh my God, you never had that right? I think that was kids slightly older than us. Yeah, like maybe other and like his friend that makes a lot of sense. Yeah II remember seat when people used to make the collages. Yeah things that they like that there might be a problem in there and it always had cocaine and I'm like and for anyone who doesn't know what we're talking about. It was like, oh like a bright red right hand with white text that said cocaine. So it was like playing on the coke branding a little bit. Yeah. I don't know what the deal with it ingredients wise. Yeah, it was bad, but it was bad news. And I think people were really into how edgy it made them seem that they were, you know, fucking drinking cocaine and then advertising it on their social media. Yeah, like as if they were cool and edgy. Holy shit. Yeah, that was a scary time fucking gummy bears for like a big deal people really like gummies and like just like can't like gummies were like an aesthetic. Oh, you know what people like they like the candy necklaces and the candy bracelets. Yeah, you could eat that's true. I was a big thing. That was huge people really liked it. I remember the first time I saw a candy thong and ha yeah, and I was so traumatized. I was like someone got my brother one of those is like again, there's so much candy on them. Like I would have been able to eat so much. Went over a lot Gabby did so I hope that this give everybody kind of a perspective on what we're going to be talking about. It's going to be music. It's going to be internet. It's going to be a general culture fashion and just like Dom rind of the collective Consciousness that we have from that right? It needs to be taught. Like we're like at the end of the day it all needs to be talked about. I feel like we all lived it and then we were like good to that talk about that again. And if we do we're making fun of it instead of actually doing right what the fuck happened? Yeah. Yeah, so it's like at we're taking it on ourselves to be those people to kind of try to do. What happened. Do you remember this? Why was that a thing? I just get into it people just want to talk about the cool Parts. Like, you know, she's gonna be like, I loved My Chemical Romance and I loved Fall Out Boy and those are still cool to this day. And I'm like, I I liked all of those things but also that is not entirely what happened Ryan. It's like, yeah. I also like those But I also had a brass knuckle belt buckle with the rhinestones on and one I don't know where it went and to why the fuck did I own that why we're professionals. It was such a thing. You know, why because it could it was a big bold icon that people could put that's true. It was like the Big Jewel but a big Jewel my God if I could have gotten a tattoo when I was 13, I would have would have been that I would have a big Jewel and a bat tattooed on 100% hundred percent. Shit, man. All right. So next time you guys hear from us. It's going to be a whole lot of shit about Jeffree Star from there. Like I said, we have so many fucking ideas and we want to hear from everybody to so like if you have like seen urban legends. Yeah, I really like those there was one when I was young that been Jorgensen from Armor for Sleep used to eat at the Taco Bell at our local mall every Wednesday, and that was very oddly specific. But that was something that I've always just Stuck in my head. So seen stories urban legends times. You went to a weird meet and greet and like someone signed your Converse sneaker and you highlighted it and nail polish. You know that kind of fucking shit or like a band guy lured you into a room and you were like 13. I want to hear who we were we were exposed every suspicious of everything everyone and especially so many of the people we looked up to to his kids were so bad guy from Blood on the Dance Floor follow you to your car one warped or me to Jesus Christ to tell me about his tell us about it on the I guess we're going to make social media. Yeah, I guess the carrier pigeon. Yeah. So everybody who's received this on a cassette from a carrier pigeon, please insert it into your parents because that player their Minivan and they're gonna hate you for life. All right. This has been ain't seen nothing yet. I'm Gabby your chapter and that's it. That's the end of the show and we Papa.
Before plunging eyeliner first into the endless pool of scene related topics, Gabby and Cheska introduce themselves with a little Q&A and some recapping of what exactly it was to be "scene" in the early-mid 2000s. Featuring talk about scene fashion icons, their favorite bands of the era, the weird parts of the internet, and so much more. Episode 1: Jeffree Star (Google Me, Bitch) is now available in your podcast feeds as well! ------- Myspace photos, breakdowns, neon jeans, brass knuckles and a face full of bangs: we lived it - the complex and often denied Scene Kid era of the mid 2000s. Aint Scene Nothing Yet is here to talk scene kids in recovery through some much needed nostalgia. We’re looking back on all the whiny cringe, the unevenly cut fringe, Top 8s and internet hate. Gabby and Cheska’s MANY hours spent talking shit on AIM since 2006 are finally paying off as they reflect (with a mix of adoration and horror) and give you a glimpse into the not-so-distant past. Send us your scene urban legends and tales of raccoon tails in our social media DMs or at cheska@angrypapaentertainment.com You can’t add us to your Top 8, but you can find us here: Facebook | Twitter | Instagram Aint Scene Nothing Yet is Gabby Vice and Cheska Colombo - teen-hood best friends who still instant message each other all day every day. All opinions expressed in this podcast are our own and are based on our respective sects of scene/emo/internet history. For Cheska’s other podcast about The Menzingers - check out On The Impossible Pod Audio recording, production, editing and by Cheska Colombo of Angry Papa Entertainment with artwork by Gabby Vice Theme music features clips from local NJ bands The Victory Drive and Bear Conditions with permission from the artists 