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I don't like maybe all those things just I don't know. I feel kind of low energy. Let's get fucking get it going over here. We need your song. The one that you like that really pumps you up. But yeah. No music. It's me. Always puts a smile on my face could always use the mini Humvees. Yeah. Yeah good to be back. Yeah, what's been going on? Well, I've been miss I've been missing the show to be honest. It felt really weird. And when I came in here, the first thing I did was tell Jeff who's behind who's behind the scenes and I was like dude, it's been two weeks. He was like, it's been two weeks and I was like, yes, it's been two weeks. Honestly, that's pretty much what's been going on. Mmm. Did you? Enjoy enjoy the walk the watch along. I agree. I did I really really did. It was so much fun. I had a great time. Thank you for that by the way, and I've just been like posting pictures and I was like, I'm gonna get super annoying on social media if I keep posting the same things over and over but some people like that's I was like, okay, I'll get annoying after a while. So I'm going to take a break and pause and not post so many pictures enjoy to the fullest. Yeah, post everything that you wish to post and if anyone's got a problem with it, you know. Welcome. No, but it was honestly it was like an awesome opportunity like just yeah, you did great everyone die. You did great and you know, I I was I wasn't really concerned but I thought maybe some people wouldn't be happy with me over it and that it's farthest thing from the truth. Don't blame me for anything. I told Paul my a man open it in. Not funny that that's I if I would have been a dick about it, like who booked this fucking shit right or something like that. Like, you know, that's one thing but you know, it's pretty it was a solid. Yeah. It was well reason for sure. Yeah. We're definitely been went viral. I was seeing it everywhere everywhere and I was like, oh man just like the clip it but I think like from a Fan's perspective though. Everyone was just like, okay. Well, you know, you're saying the real thing so you're saying how you really feel? Yeah, that's all. Only what people want to see on something like that is what they're really thinking. Yeah, and so I was I was a little concerned for the you know, everyone producing it, you know, and like yeah room behind the scenes for the watch along like, you know, because I don't know how like if they walk on, you know walking on glass around. I don't know how that works for them. Like, you know, I just I was concerned that maybe they would be you know, So scared that like their show got you know rack subversive can shit on it or have you on put it? Well sure but now they were happy too good. Yeah, at least that's what they maybe they're just telling me that maybe they're really pissed and and they just didn't say anything because I'm political politically connected right around here. I mean I brought eyeballs to it. If nothing else. That's true. Yeah. Hey, so, You guys see that stuff about brat like there is some shit like he was doing a live show over and England. And anyway, so somebody tagged me in a tweet saying like Brett, you know was asked to be the leader of the click. You don't know anything about this I had heard hi and I like well, I was I was tagged in the Tweet like, you know, and I really I shouldn't even a fucking replied to I was like that's not like but it's just like unloaded like, you know kids didn't Kev Nash came time to him and he's like we started having fun with it. And you know even Cabazon. Yeah, Brett told me the fucking Montreal screwjob was a work and I challenged. Yeah. Okay that okay. I know you're talking about now. Okay, and then somebody like somebody says, you know, how This be true and kind of scam says because you're being trolled right and so it gets back to gets back to brat, you know, like all this I go. They said the Montreal screwjob is at work in that you're trolling everybody that Brett strong as he is right now. He's like go to help, you know, Kevin Nash could go to hell or don't blame him if that was what was really sad, right? So what Brett that's not what happened we We were the ones doing the trolling and like so I mean if I know it still might be a sensitive subject, but it's 20 fucking five years later. Now, you know, it's not too soon to make jokes about chair. That's all that was like, but ya know and I love bread. I love you very much and think the world of you and sorry I even replied to that. That's where World though. You apply to something. It could be misconstrued or say something you say it the wrong way and people believe stuff and people believe what they want to believe and you lose you lose so much tone through social media and so much context the so and there might have been another like maybe there was some secret meeting that I was intent on, but the like I just I have a memory of the conversation and maybe like I said, but I would never say Brett was was lying or wrong about are inaccurate because Every night on the road he when he got back to his room. He was talking to a tape recorder and Keep audio Journal of everything. And so there's one thing you can't say is that Brett was wrong about, you know, things like that, right, you know, his interpretation is something might be a different story sure and I don't even know I mean, maybe some other big seek I get said secret fucking click meeting happen, but it wasn't like we were we were just guys that road the car. Together and we decided hey we stick together, you know because really what there was a click before us. Hmm, like sort of it was like Piper Adonis Morocco. I'm missing somebody maybe I think Orton was in honor or something and they kind of you know guys get together they stick together. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, same print just wasn't he wasn't down for like he you know. You know, I don't remember us like saying we're going to control everything and only like work with each other and rap spots, but that was his that was what he took away from that he want to be a part of that sure. It's definitely not the person within that Circle. That's a life. That's how you feel. You're not in with the cool kids. You're like, oh they don't want me and it's just like so here's the thing about like being a leader like so we got he goes I Kevin Nash and Shawn Michaels Paul wasn't there yet. Mmm. You know a big purse big strong personalities Alpha personalities and Ike so I can I can assure you that like it would never have been about hey you be the leader because I'm sure those two guys probably fucking figured they were the lead right if there was one sure it is it was never think we all just kind of we all had an equal vote on whenever we did shit, right, you know. You know, whatever you want to listen to in the in the we caught the hose wagon like so we had just just enough people especially once on her got there. We had just too many people that we would either have to rent two cars or rent like a big 15 passenger like white fucking cargo van or you know, passenger van. Yeah, you know, we call it the hose wagon. It was just what we call it. It could have been any whatever the fuck we were driving. It was those way. Okay, sometimes it was a minivan but more often than not was this big ugly ass white van. We were driving. So yeah. Anyways, where are you saying that what are you guys pick you where this would bring you say that wherever we're we're we're gonna go eat everything. So everything was up for a vote. Yeah, I mean except for like when we healed the hotel rooms, I I would get the rollaway cop right? I mean I wasn't if anyone's getting a rollaway. God was going to be me obviously, right? Right. Yeah, and mr. Perfect used to joke that you could just put put me in one of the fucking villagers. Yeah, that's messed up. And so yeah, he broke wish I wouldn't have responded that to love you very much. There you go. No, yeah. The full clarification of that we play. All right. Fuck. Do you want to jumpstart song? I might have fucked that's all because of my one fucking reply to the fucking tweet. But give them something to talk about during the one-man show. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah, everyone say, you know, whatever. Fuck it. All right through want to jump into it and do it there. Did you want to tell everyone we're doing alright. So today we're going to go go backwards a little bit. And today we're going to talk about Sean's early career in he wa and GW F which is going to be a lot of fun. So we'll kind of dive into that and you know, ask you some questions about all of that and maybe you can you know, really put us into that time perspective and that moment for those of us. Yeah, you know some of the stuff you have for they're like, well, yeah a little bit of that too. You know, you don't get on this is a lot to talk about in this isn't you know an hour show? I think the reason why one of the main portions that I wanted to discuss prior because you know nowadays for guys that you know, they want to make a name for themselves in wrestling. It's so easy with social media to get out there and you know the Indies and all of that they work differently, you know, you can really put yourself out there to promote it. So that was one of the things I wanted to discuss with you, but I don't even want to talk about it was kind of how you know back in your day how you sort of got Self, you know booked on Chef because obviously, you know, social media wasn't a thing. So I was kind of curious as to how that all worked for guys during that time. That working was a big thing back then because okay because the territories were almost pretty much completely dead. So I mean it was a little bit you had Memphis was still a thing, you know, I didn't like, you know gwf, which we'll talk about wasn't really by the time I got There to Dallas we were just doing TVs just making TVs and there were no spot show know how it shows there was a cup there was to our shows for 4gw. Anyways asked me about that when we get to it. So yeah, there was you know, there was you know, the Observer and the torch and shit like that and You know where to mouth Tape Traders all kinds of different things and just like I don't know for me like I immersed myself and the scissors. I mean I didn't have like okay, you know just in case I don't make it in wrestling. I got this we didn't have that right? Not that it's a bad thing to have that on YouTube. So I was just obsessed. When what On this and I mean I lived it and I read it and I learned everything I could about it once I got in wrestling got my foot in the door and then business not just setting the ring out. But, you know being more like an actual part of things, you know, like making things happen like making the Flyers posted refereeing then You know get so this lady fell asleep. She was a huge part of everything. She was just she knew everybody and you know, she was the one that I owe so much to she's the one that talked my lanco and to teaching me. I've talked about her before quite a bit. Actually. She helped a lot of people remember the malenko brothers when I was Just starting XI the great malenko. He was blackballed. I don't know if you know about there's some guys in Black Book. And so that kind of you know, there's residual that kind of Trickles down to your kids, right? Right and but somehow Phyllis Leigh got the malenko brothers booked in all Japan through Lord, James blares. Hmm Phyllis. She was from the Ohio Detroit that that territory like the Detroit territory. Whatever. Hmm. Yeah. She ended up actually becoming a kind of a a bigger thing in MMA actually managing Fighters and she actually in the early UFC. She's the one that got Dan Severn into and she managed Dan Severn and got him into the UFC and pop spent a lot of time on just this part. I just I just don't wear so much here. Anyway, so Phyllis she helped with all this and she kept in contact and networked and knew what was going on everywhere and you know, so that was how I ended up getting trained and the wrestling Shows that I was doing I was getting experience in Florida, but they were on malenko shows with his students. So they might be at the VFW hall or quite often. They would sell a show to fucking used car lot and we'd be wrestling fucking used car lot. You know, right? Remember one time they got about the ring and there was this first time with this ring and then he The ring didn't work and so they put the plywood down on the ground rod. Yeah and guys are taking bumps on the fucking yeah on the ground anyway, so yeah those shows but they weren't really like anything close to a promotion, you know, I mean like a legitimate promotion. And so anyways, there was this guy his name was Wellington Wilkins Junior and I He was like a UWF. Style guy you kind of like Shane would Call Gaucho and I trained with them but we train together and he was in wrestling before me even when I used to watch him. Like I used to go watch him do jobs at the sportatorium get squashed, right? Anyways why I'm all over the place with this fucking story. So he goes ends up moving to Minnesota and of up there. He was kind of a nomad he fucking in lived in Japan he He's got twin twin chill. He's got a set of twins farted like children go in Japan, but he loved you always neighborhood called Willie, but he died. I think he thought it was his duty to to bless the world with his seed all over like the played as kids here kids here. I'll keep kids in Japan shit. Yeah. So anyways, When Willy went to Minnesota, he he's staying with this guy named our his name is Marvin Ruben Marvin, Joel Rubin. He's like a Insider Super Fan type guy like that just he knows that. Um, anyways, I went and lived with him and And Willie in a one-bedroom apartment like yeah, Marvin just you know, Marvin. Yeah, honestly to be honest with everyone like Marvin. I feel like I totally took advantage of Martin like, you know, you can stick your head your people. Yeah, and if they don't themselves you end up just yeah, I feel really shitty about that. Actually. I don't want to be a lot. So I just wanted to mention him in this and he still like on Twitter I see him. Time and he came to Chile when I had a match in Chile. If he years ago, I get off the plane and there's fucking Marvin. It was great to see him. Some people know like that are listening. This will know who I'm talking about just a neat guy really neat guy. But yeah, so that's when I got hooked up with Eddie Sharkey the infamous Eddie Sharkey the notorious Eddie Sharkey, you know, he was the guy who he was. Possible for the Road Warriors, you know all these yeah, Jesse Ventura Bob Backlund and you know, he was a colorful character kind of like actually, you know, they'll do the they're pretty famously known as rub and tugs now. Yes, right. You know what that is? No massage parlors. No, I don't. I don't know what that is. No, no, okay. Like gold right now and I'm like should I know rub and tug? Oh dear lord. I was here when I got home ready probably for the best, you know, this Eddie open the very first one in Minneapolis. It was called the Donnelly and there goes the down at least Bob was called what a legacy. Yeah. Yeah. So and you know, you could he always had a trunk full of fuckin shit that you don't know where it came from. It was always good deals on things in that trunk. Sure. So I'm never have he gave me a wedding present one time. It was like a fucking wank it. Like it thrilled are gonna have to Price Tag are 800 bucks. I might you. Yeah, right. I mean not that it wasn't 800 bucks. I'm just sure no one paid for right exactly. So play Eddie. Yeah, you know, like that was a promotion sort of like there was this it was Eddie and this guy named Ray Webby. Who's no longer. Around who was like he worked with the homeless community and like so like he worked at a homeless shelter and some of the wrestlers would do security at the homeless shelter and we'd have wrestling matches for home, but like wrestle / shelter was like the Wrestlemania pwa every year. Yeah, and it was just it was my first time wrestling guys that weren't from malenko school. So, you know when you're used to rest on guys from your School, they all feel the same and right you've been you know, Russell you you you know talking about yeah, absolutely you get in the ring with somebody that wasn't trained by the same guy that trained you and it's like, huh? Fuck you guys suck right. He doesn't he just feel different terrain different. Yeah, you know, so yeah that was weird and Allah and honestly and Addie so there was a lot of great things about Eddie, but his actual training techniques weren't one of Like you didn't really learn a lot technically hmm. Yeah, these guys weren't technically very good some of like Jerry Lynn and those guys came from Brad dragons Okay. Yeah. Brad was a here's a much more silver medalists a Greco-Roman. He would was favored to get the gold and the 1980 Olympics before they were boycotted for the Greco-Roman heavyweight division. Brad Rankin's all kinds of great guys. He's trained I call New Japan used to send all their Guys to him. Anyways, yeah. So anyways, I think some of the guys came from Brad and they were all bit more technically proficient right Shawn before before you like your room making a name for yourself. Did you have trouble getting booked places based on your side and the way I loved and hold like you talk about Marco stunt. Oh fuck people laughed at me when I first because okay when I first show up. And okay, there was this it was a bar and Northeast Minneapolis area was actually sober friendly but it was called Ropers and it was our home base and it was always packed in a crowd was Lively. They're very appreciative. Was that what was I going with us? Oh, yeah. So what the first time the first time I got the ring I wrestled Ricky rice. And he's really built very well. I mean not huge but fucking built well and I was I was totally pale skinny as fuck. And so everybody laughed like they were all laughing at me as I come to the ring and is so it took like probably about a minute and then they fucking on their feet because I was terrified German suplex. I've wrestled him and then I fucking dope out the ring. No one ever seen any of that gray. Yeah, you know, so it didn't take long, you know, they To me really quick. It was something different. Everyone else was these big jacked up fucking guys, you know that and honestly, I be honest with you. A lot of them had this sense of entitlement that they were from Minnesota and they were jacked up on the fucking gas and that they were going to get a phone call like they were lat like a lot of the guys were fucking scoff and laugh and at me and fucking the whole time they're waiting for the phone to ring and they're still fucking wave Russian director. Did anybody ever not want to sell for you? Did you ever have yeah, what did you do? Did you ever just say like it depends? I can remember and about Roi on this one dipshit. I got manga name names. Well is like a little bit of an older cat and I just fucking let him the fuck up was he didn't me verse? Yeah, they're in there were guys like so not so much in the peed in Minnesota stuff, but you know, Derrick Duke says He was one half of this tag team called top the Top Guns. He's good do too but they want them to just dropped like do job for me. Like you didn't really know. I was I mean little bit but like he's like no. No, I'm not doing it. Like what he was really trying to do is get a bit of a payoff I see and he did and eventually, you know, we are good match and everything was fine. But yeah, so a little bit but not usually not not a not a yeah, usually not really so in global in gwf. Skip young wouldn't do a job for me. And what did you do? I just didn't work. Well, I work with somebody. All right. Yeah, he came in he had talked with me about it. You know, it's his hometown and you know, whatever I get it before we don't work with you then like honestly, I don't like that one with me. Yeah. Well, I feel like even now because we have seen more guys where they don't want to work with somebody and you know, like even later on and I feel that from what I've seen for the most part it always ends up. Working against them because then that person that does work with that person that somebody didn't want to work with them. It ends up paying off while for them, you know, but before we get into gwf, I do want to talk about your match that I came across on YouTube lightning kid vs. Jerry Lynn for the lightweight championship and pwa. I don't know what year that was though. Do you think 90 x 90? Okay 89 90 but one of the things that I noticed right off the bat with this particular match was that it was all from the looks of it. You guys had already been shooting for a long time. This was a bra. This was crazy. The crowd was really into it. You guys had a lot of girls out there with a bring back with a ring bell. You did a dive onto the crowd Jerry Lynn was busted open during this. Yeah, like what I before we get into all that I just want to talk about the the brawl that you guys like start with like just like starting that hot, you know, like it's I feel like sometimes it's rare to see matches start like that that hot Like throwing all those punches like how like we had a real thing going we had an angle like we had a and people were into it and we had local television station that played WCW and like it was a wrestling block, you know what I mean? And in between commercials we would do live segments segments when Mick carts his name was and it was called Saturday night at ringside and that's where we would shoot our angles and I cut Jerry lensherr on TV one time because we are doing a movie. Okay, you know and so then I sold the hair and everyone laughed it was like oh No One's Gonna buy the fucking head every fucking bag sold. How much did they sell 45 bucks apiece? But well, you know, we made a couple hundred bucks back then was like big deal. Oh, yeah, you know like I'm used to people like to rolling their eyes and then you know after the fact I'm gonna fool goes wrong, right? Well you guys did so much in this match. I mean you were seeing German suplexes spinning heel kicks powerbomb commercial. So that's that's why I that's what I was getting at is that we had this to you know, I mean other matches we had we started off sure nor you know dimensional but yeah, yeah, keep going. Well basically we're going to talk about is the fact that you guys were doing so much stuff that okay. So for example when I'm watching this Take away. Let's just say the video quality was was you know what you're seeing what you're seeing today. It was a and the video quality wasn't what it was and watching this match. It basically holds up with what we're seeing in the ring like right now with started, you know with certain guys that restaurant style. So that's basically what I was thinking into where you guys were doing, you know, all these different moves that people were you know, used to seeing and the fans were popping for each and every single one of them. So, you know, you guys were making around you and Jerry Lynn. How did working with Jerry Lynn benefit you? I he was the perfect opponent like that. We could I mean I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you right now. But you fucking for real, you know if it wasn't for him. So yeah, I guess it's I can't I can't. It's all it's all understated. I got no matter how hard I try to you know, fucking explain how important he was to everything for me. Like it's they'll seem like an understatement. Mmm. And that's stuff that you were doing. You know, you weren't really seen in the US during this time. So what were you watching? What were your influences considering the obviously it wasn't like where you could just go on YouTube and find some tape. I was a big-time Japanese tape guy, you know sure oh fuck, you know. And you know, we get these tapes and just kind of like you're saying the the video quality of that one match. You're talking about my wearing the red. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was before I cut Jerry's hair because those SEC the match the second match Ivy broke his ankle in the match and like we weren't like forever like anyways, whatever important I'm not as organized, right? But yeah, but this was this match yet. He still had the The big like big main. Yeah, before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to. All your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Where was I so you were we were talking about your influences and you being tapering into Japan? Yeah, so and my training, you know, I was trained how to wrestle and you know train to go wrestle in Japan. Mmm. So so some of it was just that's what I was trained to do it. It yeah, and then the other stuff we just I saw it and I just tried to duplicate what I saw and on some other wasn't right sure, you know, I was doing something's wrong until I got to work with some of the guys that can execute not like to collect some of the loot the great luchadores and I wrestle with and Japan. Well like yeah, we showed me that I was doing certain things wrong. Yeah, like well when you did like top of the Super Juniors and in 93, you know, you've got Eddie as black tiger and that that tournament things like that. He taught me how to base the car. For like a spinning back breaker and people do a lot. You know, I was I was I was feeding it wrong. Alright. So anyways, have you already seen that tiger mask one Dynamite Kid matched this point again prior to that. Yeah. So, you know, obviously, you know, we were talking earlier about your size. So was it important for you to bring a different style into your in-ring skillset, you know given the fact that you maybe had these different challenges that other guys Didn't have was that automatically something you wanted to do like be unique inside the ring so that you can stand out and be different. Yes. And what was really important to me was to bring an extra amount of believability to the shit. I did hmm compared to like all these big big groups that like we're going out there. I mean and not that their stuff look really bad, but my shit look better I yeah, I unlike I wanted you to go. Okay. This guy's a skinny, dude. Like but like he's a fucking buzz saw and it was and I had at that when I was younger like was in those days. I kind of chip on my shoulder. I was in fights a lot, you know. Yeah now I really like I really want fuck everyone know I was a badass. Yeah, but you wanted to bring the edge. I don't want people see you like even though you had this very young. You don't look you can sort of kind of grasp and maybe underneath that. There was a little bit something more were there not many other guys with backgrounds in martial arts at the time or there was there there were a couple here and there but they didn't know how to fucking apply and direction. Who's been? There's pin martial artist, you know, and another lesson for years just in fucking. You know, I figured I'd do it right and like incorporate that I kind of straddle that line between the two. Yeah, and how did like, you know, I mean I don't know. I mean not kill a guy but Laden yeah find that sweet spot where you're not you know, we're guys will still want to work with you. Yeah, that's the in Jerry with the gwf title. Cavett. This guy in the middle is name's Bruce. Kreitzman. He was a referee / photographer and so they brought him to Japan with us. That's awesome. So now how long did you work with pwa until you started working for thing about Bruce? Kreitzman? He was he's the cousin of Gary gesture. I don't know if you know who Gary gesture has but he's like the old and W a promoter and I think he actually does stuff with roh now promotes towns for them. So yeah keeps a lot of people that are listening to this or watching womb. No Gary gesture is look how fucking pale I am. Fucking put me in the beach and it fucking buzzer and start circling. I was going to say yeah, just oh my God, Jerry Lynn. Just fucking brick shit. Yeah, Jerry was you know, if you're strong fucking stronghold was he around there because he was maybe what menotti on got you get older. No, no like late 20s late 2007. This may be right. So then you know, you were also beneficial for him. Obviously. Yeah to be able to go with someone. Unlike that okay. So then we were talking about how long did it take for how long did it take for you to get to gwf after with pwa? How did word when did that transition happen? Well try to remember because there was first like okay Eddie go over I think might have been booking Memphis and I think So there was talk about us going down there. I didn't Jerry ended up going I didn't and I ended up getting like kind of Mary like not married, but you know, so like getting in a relationship and have you know, well, actually she wasn't pregnant yet. But anyways, so, yeah, I didn't go. It was like a year. This is about a year of doing stuff in up in the midwest up there. And then you know that stuff at GW F came about and Wade Keller kind of initiate at that for you. Well, I mean he was just kind of in He talked to everybody, you know, if somebody was doing something like starting something like he was he was in contact with them. And so, you know, a lot of that. I'm not sure a hundred percent. But you know, a lot of my word of mouth would come from from him, right, you know, like huge part. That's another component that I have to give credit to those my exposure and The torch because Wade was you know, he's a Minnesota guy, right? So yeah, it was I mean that was a huge part of everything, you know, because I mean they're by some been some guys and other places just as talented, you know didn't have that fucking then I wake Keller coming to his matches every month, right so, you know, so obviously gwf they had their TV deal with ESPN. Was that the first time you ever Wrestled a TV style and how different was it for you during that time, you know doing your local Indies and then being on TV, I didn't drechsel any different on TV than I did my matches so you didn't feel like you had to do any sort of soft or anything like that. No, I didn't have any I didn't have any producer. I didn't have any one given me time cues. We just went out and did it and then they just fucking chopped it up and fucking You know. Put a edit it put it all together. Hmm. So yeah now not like now now a TV match is way different, right you learn how to do different kinds of matches. Well, one of the things that I also want to say is that your matches they was all action No Rest holds so given, you know that timed we're veterans telling you. Hey, man slow down. Did you get that from them? Yeah. Yeah and and in some instances they were hot Percent correct looking back, you know because you're chasing a reaction with the moves and and it's a legitimate reaction, but it's like, you know when you take your time and you build and you know, there's different kinds of reactions is what I guess. I'm trying to say and you know before they get emotionally invested in you and you have you know, emotional Equity with them. you know, the only thing is the moves for them to react to, you know until it really until they care about you and then like all the in-between stuff and like, you know when you sell and you know, your facial feet, you know, facial expressions and all that like that a lot to it, but we still argue that like you chasing the fucking reaction from Little to move so You know, but I did, you know, I didn't use I never used a rest old like it was always I was always working it, you know, like I like to turn Resto like like it's to transition from one thing to another right, you know, obviously, sometimes you do need a breather in there, but you still got to be working. It's like somebody goes like when way I'm really going off into the Weeds on this sounds good, you know people talk about Like oh, you know stop me so I can rest fuck that. I honestly I'm working harder and in the cell than I am and I'm like I can rest more when if I'm to heal and I'm like on top right then I am if I'm selling because that's like if you sell and right that's a lot of fun like a lot of way. A lot of work. Yeah getting your ass beat ya exhausting. Fuck. What was it like working at the Dallas sportatorium? Because one of the things I noticed was that there was a nice crowd there. I don't know how many but how was that like, it was really because I I grew up watching and when I say grew up it was like only like 6 years earlier is right now. I was so excited. I was so fucking excited and be a you know, even stepping foot in the sportatorium. I don't wrestling it, you know, and I wasn't too shocked when I saw the condition in which the building was in, you know, because the Tampa sportatorium was even worse so, you know, I was all right, what's wrong with it? It's just all those fucking old and her. He was like cemented into the ground like the poster cement in the ground was really hard to go back watch that ring of being this fucking really hard is extremely hot at there as well. Like really fucking hot. Yeah. Well and because everyone I was like that was in the middle of the summer like July, I'm fine. Well, I want when I won the title because I know because like I celebrated my birthday like the next day or something. We all went to Hooters. So you have that you're in there you're working. You have the crowd. It's already hot in general all the works in there. Yeah, I like so I always I believe in emptying the tank no matter how long your matches. I always liked fucking empty it. Hmm. So like no matter what if I was in a five-minute match or a 20-minute match even in a five minute I come back right fucking spat. That's how I believe in doing sure, you know, so yeah, what about the lightning bolt at the side of your head that idea come from? Not me really it was fucking burnt promise, you know fucking Bert prentices. Yes. Bert premise fuck so you didn't like it? No, but you know, you do things like I mean, he was sort of like he sort of had a say so and things hmm, which not for long because I he did some fucked-up shit. Yeah. I'm not going to get into but he was gone. He made something inappropriate comments to somebody. Yeah. Yeah, so no fan of the lightning bowl. No, I actually thought I was like, oh he would be thought of something different. You know, he's to also go as Christopher love never heard of them. I don't know that much about him. Okay, it's actually like like kind of talented guy and quite the Hustler like there's a lot of stories about that guy. Okay. Yeah enough about that and not about two lightning bolts in the side of the head. So it also and UWF you worked again with Jerry Lynn now, obviously you guys are working, you know, you've worked together already in the past, you know him you guys know each other but now you're wrestling on a bigger scale a bigger platform. So what was the differences between that and you know already going into that know each other so well, um, It was you know, like it wasn't like okay. I was in this territory and we were there every day. It was like I went through like three times ever. Mmm. I mean it might not seem like that because you know, we taped fucking five days worth of TV and one day so it might seem like okay he was there. Wherever like no I was there two or three times three times total right? I can they flew me in three times. So, you know and I had two matches with Jerry there the first one I beat him for that the in the finals of the tournament and the second one is when I lost the title to him. And it was in a two out of three Falls December 91. Yeah, like this ridiculous fucking stipulation that we had to beat each other. We can only use are finished. Oh, yeah. I saw that fucking stupid. I was wondering why what legend that prior it's fucking people that have never been in matches before fucking coming up with stipulation. Right? Like how fucking stupid like, how are you supposed to have near-falls? Right and you can only use He can only use the sleeper and I can only use a Tombstone Piledriver. What the fuck? Yeah, when I saw that I was like whoa, why are we still mad? It's everywhere to him is like an hour match. They chopped a lot of that up. Hmm. I did an acai moonsault like incretin. Could they have these fucking town? How stupid is this day? The barricades around the ring are made of wood. They're like wooden banisters like, you know, Like if you were going up the stairs at your house, yeah, they were like, uh, stay away from the Barrister. So I just completely fucking destroy them. I went on one Circle, right exactly. You mentioned that the tournament 24-man tournament but some of those names that were in there but Bagwell who is known and has handsome stranger stranger rape Rob drip Rogers. Yes, Chad's a Chaz head banger. No, that's not that's his Jazz Taylor. Okay. Well, so basically what I wanted to know what that was, you know, you had it feels knowing that, you know, you were wrestling with these guys that would end up becoming stars like kind of like looking. Back at that now. Yeah and Scott Raven, you know Scotty Scotty Flamingo, right? And so I knew Scotty before I was even a wrestler. So it was cool to see him there. Everyone was really cool to me, especially like I don't know. Who's where we where we what was your question. So basically how did it feel like waxing nostalgic right now going back and seeing some of the names that were on there knowing that they eventually became stars. Like how did that feel like knowing that you guys were you know back then you were just doing your thing, you know that sort of thing the evolution of all of that. Yeah. No, I mean, it's cool. Obviously the obvious ones are Bagwell and you know Raven and who else Because Jazz never really didn't oh, right, you know Jerry obviously went on and did roh an ECW. Teri Lynne and then other guys see other guys they weren't there at the same time as me JBL who came to Brad Dragon school and I actually went and used to train with him when he was learning to wrestle that JBL came into Global after I was already gone book a tee and Stevie Ray, you know certain other guys. So yeah. But it was a great place. You know, I mean it gave us all this huge States, so Every day after school kids could come home and turn on fucking gwf and watch me wrestle right? Pretty cool. Yeah. So after your series of matches with Jerry Lynn, where you heading sorry, I like working with Chaz to have a good chemistry with him Mmm Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I was I was kind of going back to my notes, but after these series of matches that you had with Jerry Lynn where you already being noticed by WWF or ew, maybe maybe but you know, I in my mind I didn't picture myself and WWE, why was that they didn't have Junior heavyweights there right more so like, you know WCW and then so should we talk about that when WCW well, yeah because I was that is actually my next question was the fact that they started their own light heavyweight division with Brian pillman as one of the main star and and jushin thunder liger. So I wanted to know if that was kind of basically you were ever considered for that. So I guess you can kind of dive into that then well. so Turner hires this guy his name was Kip fry to run WCW and I was kit prize brought me in and I was it was like I was all but like I was pretty sure like, okay, I went down there. They asked they actually gave me a choice of my fucking you know, opponent. I picked Bob cook who was like came up with he was on malenko guy one of the best like of people like most people never heard of he's one of the best fucking guys. Who are you going to watch some of his matches? He's got one of the best punches of all time. Yeah, there's kit fry night really nice guy. So I go I have my mad to tell me I do all your shit like just get all your shit in so I didn't really try to put as you know, I didn't my match was just getting my shit in right like if you go back there was no I'm not a lot of psychology to it. Got a great reaction from the people at Center Stage. Bob gave me a great match caught me fucking Perfectly, like I think I might have did two different knives. I think I did every fucking thing. I could do right almost everything and so it was like I was I had my hopes up I was like, okay kept fries. He's the boss and it was his idea to bring me in like two days later fucking Kip Kip got fired. Yeah and Bill Watts, they brought Bill lat. Watson hmm and I wasn't Bill Watts his idea and he probably and I talked to him on the phone. He called me in a no lie because they saw my training, you know, you know Bill like guys with you know, legitimate right training and legitimate background. Not that I have a legitimate Sports background, but I was trained properly. Yeah, so Yeah, they he just I'm sure he looked at my fucking tape and what I did in that tryout match is not something like he'd fucking band the top rope number. I don't know if you remember that I heard about that. Yeah, like when he came in he banned guys from coming up the top of you would have thought it was the end of the world the fans everything. All right. Holy shit looking back at it like not that big a deal like guys would have to do it behind the rest backs like that share. But so anyways At that particular moment that I just wasn't like, you know wasn't wasn't built cup of tea probably. Mmm. I'm making assumptions are based on him watching that try out right now later on when bill came into WWF he loved me there because when they hired him we had a we had how shallow Madison Square Garden he came to the show didn't tell anyone he was coming and went and sat in the crowd and you watch all the matches and I was I don't know if I was in The Opening match, but like one of the opening matches in it was myself in and Hunter and it was Hunters very first match ever in the garden and we'd had a few prior to that and anyways, so I could watch really liked me and he figured me in the shit like after that like any way you like. He was a fan of what he saw there. Probably not only sound like trial, right? I tried to say took me a while to get to the point but I managed. All right, so basically, you know, obviously during this time. Oh wait actually going back to that. Do you know if if WCW was inspired by gwf to start the light heavyweight division from no. No. Okay. I was just wondering since I was like someone close at that time but like gwf kind of like so when I dropped the title The Jerry it was because they couldn't afford to bring me any more and they had signed me to to and contract and the contract that a guarantee of $300 a week. Hmm. And that was also what my payoff was when they would fly me in they would pay me $300. Hmm. So even if I didn't go in for the week, I would get my $300. How was that? Look was that a lot or a little bit of money during there was better than nothing. I mean I could you know, it helped me pay. Some bills a little bit and yeah fucking what else was I going to say about that? So but that was the reason why I and and also Billy Dee Doo nobility was Demolition eggs / has also done a superstar. Hmm. He was the Booker from the get-go and then Somehow man, Eddie Gilbert managed to get in there and get that spot and then Bill was gone and that he was he was cool. We really need to be around at ease. I wasn't around him a lot but you know couple of times mmm, and and that was I was cool because you know, Eddie Gilbert it was He was great. Right? He's really creative and you know a reputation for being extremely great and he's great in the ring. Yeah, so but they couldn't afford me Ryan Moore. Yeah. And so that's when I got hooked up with universal in Japan and actually see they couldn't afford me but I hadn't dropped the title yet because my first tour in Japan I had the belt hmm and then what When again Jerry and I would team in Japan we would teach Jarrod came finally Jerry came back. I'm conflating a bunch of shit. Yeah, but anyways before after my WCW tryout and then they didn't hire me. It was kind of a little bit, you know, the the wind was out of my sails a little bit. Mmm and So, you know, I was just trying to plug away. I was going and getting you know booked out on the East Coast like what promoter Dennis Carl ouzo and like the Johner Razzie convention the weekend of Champions. It was called we had John on you remember? Yeah, so that was just kidding - you know getting my name out there and letting people CEO Li Being cared is on the East Coast. He's over here and fucking you know, Wisconsin and Minnesota and you know and then Japan and so yeah, it's cool and then weirdly so I you know about the NWA show that I promoted with Dennis car lose own and Minnesota my wrestled Sabu that not come up on your Google search. Maybe you can tell me more about that. So when I got hooked up with Dennis Carter lose though, he was on W a promoter and wa is not like it is now right. It was just guys that we're just trying to keep it alive and it just to be honest with you. It was kind of sad, you know. But I am kind of like just they loved it so much. They want to keep it alive. So we have this show and I thought was kind of cool be able to use NWA name. And so we promoted the show called the NWA Grand Slam. Had Hawk muscle out Road Warrior Hawk Russell, Terry Funk. And the main event Moss is say Ito in the sky Charlie Norris who worked in WCW vs. Nails. Wow. Yeah Nails in the Ori are doing jumping jacks and everything and again named the hater who came from Brad dragons camp, and he was actually the best man in my wedding. Be banging huh? Funny enough the the name the hater. That was Hawks nickname in high school. Really? Yeah weirdly enough. So anyway, so there's that. There's myself and Sabu Jerry Lynn versus Chris candido Taz versus yeah Taz vs. Red Dragons fucking lethal Larry Cameron versus Tommy Ferrara fuck else am I missing here? Anyways, it was quite the loaded independent shell sure at the time there were like very few shows that stacked independent ones. So and I worked really hard on that. I was a guy that may I was like the person I did all the work on that. Hmm, and I don't know where all the money went because it was a lot of people there, right? So yeah, I was pretty proud of that. But before that so when put them all over the fucking place put all this is yeah with Hawk quit WWE and you know about his tag-team the Hellraisers. Hmm with Kent's case is sake. Do you remember who Ken's yes exactly. Yeah. Well, they were called the Hellraisers. In Japan and they were over huge fucking big they came out to you know, Ozzy song Hellraiser sure. And so they debuted the Hellraisers tag team in that little fucking bar. I was telling you about and for the Minnesota where we had our show Roper. Yeah and this little look fuckin shitty 14 by 14 rang and it was like, I mean it was So but like site master so itõs coming into town for it Brad rankings and shown and so like they were going to have matches and so I was Matchmaker and I book Jerry and I Jerry Lynn and I were the pwa Tag Team Champions by this point. Okay? Yeah, he was done with gwf by this point as well and we have these shitty belts made from weightlifting belt with Jack, you know from a trophy shop like nowadays, you know, you can get a decent Yeah, like that was beautiful. So. I booked US versus bad dragons and masahito and we had a really good match and fucking Masa took my I guess they're fired up on Massa. Lighten them up and another I Traverse it clothesline and fuck man. Just take me out. Oh shit. I asked for it. Nice. Oh Massa brought me to New Japan Super Junior tournament. All right, and then as I'm getting ready to go Further for that I get called to go have my WWF try out. And so all that happened at once. Oh, wow after I was kind of, you know, you kind of think it's Al Hassan and you got to stay the course, you know, you could go WCW. That was my only shot like that, you know like And like some people could get you know. They can let that fucking get to the right people might even say fuck it and throw in the towel, but you can't do it because like as soon as you think you've hit a fucking the end of the road like all the sudden boom, there's your fucking opportunity, right? You know, I mean in life not just wrestling. I mean just haven't you ever been there where just everything sucks and it's like he just think it can't and if boom something great happens, so that's me every other month are a lot. On this horrible, never gonna happen. Yay. Yeah, so I had a lot of decisions to make, you know, go to w or go to New Japan and like maybe go train at the dojo. Hmm. We're going WWF sure. So now obviously we can get one choice. Obviously we can get into your work in Japan and Mexico and separate episodes or we can actually dive in in depth and talk about all this stuff for sure. Yeah, for sure. I think that's a good. Yeah, that's a good point. So yeah, that's pretty much that. Well right on time. Yeah, so all right. Well, all right guys do not forget to subscribe to the channel youtube.com xpac make sure to check us out on social media X-Pac one to 360 show for exclusive clubs and all of the random stuff that we post on there for myself. Do not forget to check me out on youtube.com Denise El Sayed. Oh, I have tons of interviews and cool stuff up there and I'll be working on some more videos and then Instagram and Twitter @ underscore Danny saucedo. There you go. You can find me on ER and Instagram at time Matthews PMA. All right at the real Lex pocket real X Buck on Instagram. Executive producers Maria Menounos, Keven undergaro Sean Waltman and the entire X Pac-12 360 staff. 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