All traffic in the world to solve that homicide goes through detective with I had Michael Wacha. Because Mike was in the two three rip. Yep. He came from the Bronx and when he got the bureau, we went through the two three rip. He was a bronx. Coppice all Korea. And for some reason I don't know why he that case became his pet. It was on his desk, you know and every once in a while he called the family on his own just the same because let me tell you what that case you want to talk about a cold case and we nice that was ice because and a 13 year old girl that yeah, and and we had instead right in the chest and put right on the other side of the bridge. The Footbridge in the FDI. I can't tell you how many times we went there and stood at the location and the only the only evidence they had on her was one pubic hair. Alright, so we're back man. We are here in the Austin New York the palatial Estates of my partner and won't I will say that I have to say this premise is protected by glock Smith & Wesson and Tommy Kennedy and Ralph Friedman They Patrol here. Together we get caught at so with that finish this day. It's sort of like when I say, that's it apparently so we got our engineer Andrew. The kid Steiner and just staying behind the wheels of the behind the ones that fellow tribesmen to Scotty Wagner here, right? And we got our guest retired New York City detective Scott Wagner and he was a housing cop and he was telling us a little bit about what it was like to be a house in cop did did you you know, so you didn't do many verticals I would imagine. Well, yeah, he said he had four months and then you were out of I was in uniform for 10 months. That was it and You're a house in copy come out of the academy to 10 months and you know flannel we did we did three months straight with an fto. Okay, that's a field training officer. Yeah, and it's funny my fto had eight months on me. Oh, wow. I think he was out of the the the last 80 class, you know, but we're off the same list, but he you know, it was one-on-one. Where are you? Again? You're a BSA 5, which is Spanish all okay let you know there is a rose in Spanish. Oh, there it is right there. It's got the tattoo. Look at how you can we get a shot of that Andrew the rows of Spanish Harlem. Yeah, man. Yeah, there's more songs about Spanish Harlem, right? They call those synthetic Van Morrison do to have that Spanish well until they shot as so did you two you two did one too but special they shot it, you know, they shot the video today. Yeah, there was this guy was on a hundred. No. And they Channel Lobby days in a lot of people that are almost there often and Hood. Definitely really cool. Well, yeah Marc Anthony talk Anthony was from yeah. He was actually friends with I want me to the Metro-North. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I used to see him all the time. But like I said housing your with an fto you worked Around the Clock, you know days midnight for 12 days been nice work for the night shot. I don't know what it was called. It was just cold enough. You never know what you're doing. But you know and that was your partner whether you are a foot post radio car, whatever. That was your partner for three months salad, and he did / periodic evaluations taught you how to write summonses, you know, the you know, he taught you, you know, the radio calls it, you know now in those days we were on the housing frequency and our radios were like bricks. They were y'all. You did it you do a lot of damage. The PPD ones were happy to back. These were housing was my choice. Oh, yeah you if you were good you could you could hit a guy at about 30 feet take them down with the radio. But There Was An Almighty and they wouldn't break up that killed the guy. So on a radio tobacco salad but a guy from narcotics, but these radios, you know, you you can hit a guy in the small of the back. They come right down. Wow, remember that's a beautiful throw it in a bicycle tours that called the Camaro simple physical force or deadly physical was it was He threw a housing radio. That's deadly physical fights. Its energy humor. Right? Anyway, you know what we used to do in the radio cause it cuts like my sector for instance. It was Eddie Frank sector. It literally went from 70th and first because there is one housing building on the corner of 78th Street East 70th. And first I must have could be considered like the Hollywood the housing over there right citizen building you'd only get you'll get nothing but a DOI out of there. And the beauty of it was there was no parking in front of it because it was a senior citizen but I guess for the ambulance or whatever. So, you know, you got at least three summons is on the Midnight's there, you know, so yeah because you had to write your 20, however item Pokemon tractors keep your seat. No quotas and keep his seat DOA for a non police Personnel stands for Dead on Arrival. It's when you're old you even if you don't arrive sometimes you never run with DOA. He's pleased to now try turning off your fucking credit keeping you see just trying to update people on police linked keeping your seat, man. Keep your seat in the car. Right? Yes, I suppose so because some people found, you know would think that because you know, when you come out you want to get out. Let's see if I think that you know, then from there you want to get out of the street different the street you want to you don't want to walk you want to get into a radio car. All right, then when you're in a radio car you want to get the Antichrist sure when you have to cry you want to get into. So you want to make a detective then when you're in the bureau you want to get great. You want to get you go to your thing. You want to get great and you know, it never stops want it's a vicious cycle it is it's brutal, but let's be now. It's been a progressive, you know, you want to keep moving and experience everything that the job has to offer. That's the it's a good way that that the way you put it is pretty good because it keeps you hungry. I know I had the same exact feeling. I just didn't put it anywhere else. It wasn't we had no, you know, I swear. We had no numbers quotas because there were so many numbers to be had that you if you want that any kind of a personal life. He had to turn your head on a lot of things because they were numbers. No one ever had to be flaky. Well, whatever we didn't have to do toy if these two just find some Scotty what you're talking about with some of our audience known standards when you made it a rest back then are you okay that was doing that was powerful is probably at least at least 24 hours and no sleep. Well, Gonna tell you my first collar. Yeah with my fto much to his Chagrin. He he didn't want it but I did it and I got these two guys for an assault and it was a felony count my first collar felony column in those days. There was no pre-arraignment. So you had a ring your own guy, right? So I remember, you know, he had a walk me through the whole system and we large them and you know, do all the paperwork see luckily I came on. Right after dark hard copy or a sheets there were like seven carbons two carbons thick and you elastic almonds is so fat. I have been legible or you know, like the only thing that would work was a big pain you couldn't use any other kind of instrument will make it through exactly. But the the Press hard to take the online bookings came out, you know, when I started think odd because when I was with the hospitals and you know, there's a narcotic investigator they had the old but that being said I make the call we go to Central Booking now we go over the court. And I literally I see this guy getting out on Baxter Street that Baxter Street side. He's got to Shea's Lounge. His wife says he's with his kids. Obviously. He's got two shades in like a little before the Eagles came out of a small cooler and he said that honey. I'll see you in a couple days, but cool should stop dropping them off a court and he's got the Shays and the little cooler and she's a Like when you put that shit down, there was a room with church pews. Yeah. I'm so uncomfortable this. Yeah. Thanks, but God forbid you had to go use the bathroom because someone would jump in your spot. Yeah, I know and it would be huge fights. So that's what people always say like off so you could sleep now with your head against the nail because yes lepton like the worst so we wish we slept in the staircases on the floors up. I remember vividly one day. We're all sitting around on the floors and and some boys comes to our everybody up everybody up everybody up. Yeah Sergeant comes to everybody knows right 10 minutes later. Lieutenant comes through everybody up. Let's go everybody up some guys thought going through the motions, you know guys would come with blankets, you know, but and there's like dust themselves off, you know, whatever. And no one came so everybody went back to sleep. Yeah. Nobody used to get pissed I get when I worked at your offices in the morning, they come in today and it would be like homeless cops all over the all over the place. They get pissed and the deputy. It's now a deputy inspector comes in and he's screaming at the top of his lungs how everybody said it tanks. Okay, you know what it was for the beginning of Law & Order episodes. They want them to shoot and they know when Lauren would have first started they wanted to show the realism. Mmm, so they had forgot the actor who was originally in Law and Order but he was a very popular actor in the 70s. He did actually he did a cop movie The 70s Toto and already told Jerry Orbach. No, not just that was before Jerry Orbach. It was the first yeah and and they were doing the pilot and everything and they wanted to see what he kept look like and and the pre-arraignment no thing, you know, and that's what I had to stand up and we're like you kidding. We thought you know the PCS coming through I used to love it when I was in be mocked. That's where you go for the basic basic management orientation course for sergeant and you'd be in this big Auditorium and all these Academy little weasels, right? That'd be like the chief is in the building. The chief is in the bells. Like I couldn't believe they were like Kissin ass like that. We're like who gives a fuck the Chiefs here. He pulled up in front. You know, I gotta say what he walked in there you wanted to spend to attention, but it was like this is fucking like kids. The chief is here. I gotta tell you side know when my when I went to my son she'll die and I got to finish shield on I got saluted like oh, no, I was on a high. I'm walking through and they're freaking coming to it. I totally see I see you know, and the recruit class was in there and I'm in a suit and shit and someone says a sergeant from homicide is coming in. Right and I walked into the Ruku class and they sprung at attention like fucking Jack. Oh, yeah. She's over that. I laughed so hard I couldn't stop me. Laughing it's for me. I always found out I must have walked up and down the hall three or four times on purpose because this is such a glow is this in the bin the academy with my son after shielding. I must have walked up and down three or four times because it was just so great. I never had a duration like that in my life. Do they get a spring for attention for you? Don't spring for attention, but what they do is they Solutions so no, please I had home. I just walked, you know, I got the most damn I gotta have fun really step on your way to right make way. They say me it weighs was the great Italian. I loved it. I thought I was on the USS, you know with porteous. I was on his naval ship, you know and make way it comes the Admiral. It's a getting back to you know, the the days my partner and I we they put us together. We we were both rookies. He was out of the July 81 class. I'm out of the April 81 class and only to he's of couple years older than me and he he was a Green Beret right in no. And he's from the South Bronx Hispanic did not look Hispanic at all. Great guy great cop. I mean, you know We we just clicked, you know, and we were we had a sector and like I said, I sector went from 70 then first 224th and first over the third and back right? That's one sector and we turned out to be two three in the two five right and we turned out for our peace. Sergeant you know and it's sometimes a conditions cough about you know, every night every day every tour now again, what we would have to do because we run a housing frequency is first order of business was run over to the to wait sign out of portable for the to wait because that's the six division right and then run to the 2/3 and sign out of portable from the two three how crazy is always that's the fourth division because and now imagine you got the housing radios when he's got the fourth division radio one. He's got Six division radio that could cause we have the gist plus we have the AM/FM radio bungee cord to the signal start with the and the antenna to the firewall so we could listen to BLS The Quiet Storm at night, you know, you know, it's funny cause I know I had no idea that you guys had all those radios and even with all those radios housing it allows available housing elevator now explain what you've always the site. I was ordering that all out of order. Triple. Oh that's right in the to tree sector as well. Where is housing? Let them go around with this is the first this was the best now you pull up on a job like simultaneously once again housing had a phone number that the tenants would call like in the old days before the 9-1-1 system. There was some kind of a phone number on the back of the arm piece. Is it on that one? Yeah dial on the back of that and housing. That was a number I if memory serves I think it was eight. 6-5000 and my help someone doesn't have that number now, but anyway to like so you would get jobs that didn't go through the 9-1-1 system. Although to the my handle. You might be getting a heavy job. You know, he's a bad system. It was a horrible horrible scene and we had a belt system where they put the card in the belt of the right through and if there was a heavy chapter guy would stick his head to the whole scream out. But thank God you guys. Wait, you backed up though, huh at the window in our headquarters know it would pull up on a job. Let's say we go up in Wagner house is 2400 second hand right in those days. You could drive all through the projects that we know stanchions or anything and let's say so we're lazy as hell when I parking outside and walking home because also, you know Airborne this coming down. Yeah sure. Everyone means people are throwing stuff off the rooftop actually loaded Pampers amongst other things. So you had a like Walk apart and you had a serpentine, you know, that's a good word. Serpentine one. Explain it to Mark, please you didn't what was the other word surreptitiously. We say Serpentine Serpentine. Yo, you know, so she's all right, you know Serpentine I don't have to explain with you. So anyway, yeah, you pull up on a job. It's pouring rain. So you pull up on a job. Let's say it's a whatever domestic you pull upon a job. 2:5 would pull up. They look at you you look at down and you stand there nose-to-nose and just wait. And you here to five Charlie be advice that was 97 by housing and get on here on the housing portable, you know Central be advised. This is 580 Frank that was pissed I-55 very Frank be advised that was 97, but it to five and then sighs which is why nobody got wet it confuse them right and nobody got wet. But in those days also the other thing is in those days in don't it today they Precinct Of concern is backing up housing and vice versa. No. No, that's one thing. I gotta say in the two three and the to wait the two for two for is in the projects. You know, I got to say I was very fortunate. Even when I did, you know, I worked in the Bronx, you know for two years in the squad when I first think that, you know got into the squad. I worked in PSA 7 squad for two years and then I went into the housing homicide major case Squad which covered Manhattan and the Bronx Acts primarily we worked within the for our in the 4-2 in the Bronx before three in the fourth Sixth and there's so much project there that the squad's we got along. We were all buddies right and plus we had photos. And we had him arranged by project so that they would always come to us change the code scanner. You know how Antiquated that is. Now you have a cop has his own phone died out and picture. I want to make her come up on what I see what my son is carrying around. I'm like what happens if you get wet. It's like you're gonna I'm so sorry good cop never gets hungry. Well, he's a rookie so Pony so he's hungry. He's wet. No, no, but I mean think of the how good that is stuff that phone. Well Gary, plus they have their own radio show ya show you each one of the real tree. Just gotta get a battery. Each one takes they have their own radio people think though if you carry around a picture of someone they think oh it's got to be so easy to pick him out of the straw it's not but you know what? It happened not too long ago. Yeah to Transit card and they were two different they weren't even together and they spotted the guy simultaneously we have them for a couple of murders. He's wanted in a house, but it's not easy though. I'm just saying I have always used to come out used to you know, when I was in war. It's you bring all your folders with you and maybe just driving around. Thank you Santa I would tell my partner the stop. I gotta warn for that guy right there. And then I would just pick up my folders and go through all my folders just tariff. I'm looking at the kid. I find it but it's just something that's in your head. It sticks in your head but cops eyes. That's what should you keep staring at the picture though. If you're driving around the neighborhood and you're looking at the picture and looking around it doesn't work because everybody looks like that guy we had to be something that comes right to you. That's the guy I was a reason why he looks familiar. We had a thing Reading Pennsylvania sent us a package of the two three. I think you were there at the time in me and Tommy my former partner the Tama bottle. He's a supervisor Manhattan DA's office and the sex crimes Bureau. Tommy and I get it we were the homicide team in the two three, we would we had we had our own caseload, but we would also help out whoever had a homicide there and we were allowed to go down the basement on Sundays and dig through the old folders and find out something that maybe had solvability find whatever we cleared couples all these 13 years. We were able to clear people were still around. Well, you know Scotty going back to I remember when I first got there in 97 it was of That big case which turned out to be a serial killer, right? And this was the Advent really maybe even earlier than DNA was being put together and of course it was that faces its infancy. Yeah infancy was Aaron key. We turned out to be a serial rapist and a murderer also and you had one of those cases, right? Yeah, tell us about that sure. I came involved in it. On September 10th 97 and I remember the date because that's the day that my dad passed away. Sorry to hear about stacking 85 and I would traditionally, you know have dinner with my mom on that day, you know and It working eight the floor and I'm four o'clock. I'm out the door because I want to get home. I want to sit with my mom, you know, because it's love our life, you know, so. Unbeknownst to me. There's a fire at 218 East 104 which is right diagonally across from the two or three you could see it from the windows in the squad and it was on the roof and firemen respond to they got up there and they thought it was a rubbish fire. So they laid water on. once the water clear They realized it was a body otherwise had they known it was a body. They wouldn't put four more. Right and it would have preserved a lot of evidence, but they had no idea, you know and I come in the next day and one of the detectives in the two three, I'm not going to name was assigned the case and he wasn't in my team. I was in the DTM. He was in the team that follow the fight was working late the force he was coming in for once. So for those who don't know the text was the chart as a forward to charge. You work too far to Once you turn around you come back to work to wait the fourth and then you're off to so I went to my boss at the time really. Kylie was great great boss, and I said I want this and he looked at me and he said well, you know, this case is I said I want this case. Now Tommy had responded because he was hanging out in the office just catching up on some paperwork was all that's 102 love to work with you. Thank you. I would have brought you over to my little you know, whether the cabinet that little shelf for you the case is going yes lot and I would have said Hey, listen Scott whenever you go in here every day whenever case that trust me, trust me, you can take don't even ask don't even know. No, that's one thing. They never stop. They never stop. You would have for your head. So yeah asking the bus I want the dish. I want to do something that hit me felt personal I wanted so the big thing was to get her ID. No one no, well, you know all we had was charged jewelry. So the detective who had it. I don't want to disparage anybody but too late now to make a little shaky see what little shaky and I made two phone calls, and I had a writing From the jewelry. Well, not only from the jewelry. I but but there was a missing I polled missing starts. Yes, which yeah, that's come on. Just you know, she'll be on the surgeon to know this, you know, you got an unidentified female chard female so you could do a first order of business. You gotta get identify. I mean and he insisted it was a suicide so I said to him listen And I said in front of the boys I said this is not a Vietnamese monk, you know protesting the war. You know what I mean. This is a young hispanic female on a rooftop of the project. How old was she I don't recall I believe in early twenty twenty-three 23 and she was a civilian. How did you get her idea it again? She had pieces of jewelry. Okay, and she had something again going back to the Hebrew thing. She had what was called a Mitzvah coin? Which is kind of it's It's the Irish have some similar to that where it's a coin that's cut Jagged and it's two pieces and you might wear a piece your wife my world. Peace and when they come together forms one, so she had that which is very identifiable and she had some stud pearl earrings. And of course we had dental records. Well if we got that far, but all I did was I called mrs. Parsons I said you got any, you know female Panics when we assumed she was a spy, right right, you know missing, you know between the ages of you know, 14 and 25 fresh. Yeah. First name he gives me Joe Alice Cashville. I said you got the number phone number for the family call the Family. Yeah, I don't protect the Wagner two or three Squad. I understand your daughter's missing you did she wear any type of that I acted like I was just following up on the missing-persons case. I don't want to you know, tell someone on the phone something like this, especially something as horrible as this so I questioned her about what type of jewelry does she wear and right away. The mother said well she has this special A coin that's cut Jagged that her best friend as the other half to so right then. I know you knew you had the ride home. So I go to the boss with this. I said look I got her ID. I mean, of course, she's not ID officially as actually a we have to get the dental records and all that was all that's what basically I did it. But I mean she was to a crisp and there was actually a ghost on the wall. That was there. The fire was so hot. It was it wasn't on actually out on the roof when you came up the staircase in this particular thing. You would come into like like an airway of sorts that or Breezeway. It had doors on either side and that leads to the roof for now. Yeah, you come up to the roof you get out and you be in this little Breezeway and then you'd have to go out of that. It was like a little bunker you have to go out of that to be on the roof. But within this Breeze There were two doors one was access to the elevator room on the top and the other was access to I think there was a water tower something. So that's why they had this Breezeway there, but you could see how ghost burnt into the walls that usually indicate an accelerant. Oh, well, of course, we know it was an accelerant. I mean the Fire Marshals and I'm not a fireman. I'm just not understanding the fire marshal who I worked with this guy pepitone show pepper tones, bro. Can you swim? Yes, and he said no. But he was good. He was very good. It was like having another another detective on the side. He was he was taken back when he had a daughter that age and the boss you get the case after yeah right away right away right away and the guy was like, thank you. He didn't want no part of it, you know, so it's an interesting thing when the homicide gets caught by detective. It's not you know, it's not exactly catching detector, but we had a case that was one of the best Murders ever in the 2/3 and the detective the quoted could have cared less and he didn't do anything on the case. We solved it for him. But well he didn't want the case. So that's why Tommy and I were the homicide team in the tutoring. So so so you got your hands on the case. Yeah what when now now that we get are officially identified, you know, I go meet the parents and you know we go and there's a little bit of a language barrier but you know, I speak enough Spanish. I understand Spanish completely, you know, and of course I do. took a Spanish speaker detective with me anyway, and We got extensive interviews. They gave us access to the whole house. Right? I had all her Diaries and I mean we searched the room, you know completely. She was a legit what we call civilian. She was a Monroe College student. She had a Believer like an 18 month old baby from her baby daddy and her I've been off and on for maybe five years and he even had him in he admitted to us that he laid hands on her and he said yeah, I fed her I've pushed her but I'd say it's the mother of my kid. I wouldn't kill her especially in that way. You know that's got to be and you know, that was another argument we had with the Emmys office. We had one at me. It said she was burnt after she was dead. Okay. So how do you account for the certain alongs now? I'm no doctor. I'm not by me but I had to for taste as a detective one was I must have gone to I don't even remember how many autopsies because being that I lived in Brooklyn and if there was a homicide the night before or the day before and they were posting the body I was coming in. I would start my tour at the Mac, you know, and I'd witnessed the autopsy for what? Detective of scale why you got to go back down? I'm here I could do it and I would ask a lot of questions, you know, they didn't bother me, you know, I had an immunity to it and the smell once you get past the smell but I would get all bound up with the face yet and I go in and I learned about a lot about trajectory about stomach contents that you can do it right how long it takes for food to digest, you know, you develop timelines this way, you know, you see if It's other injury. Good morning, Sal good morning. Everybody lividity how things you could tell if someone was moved or not, you know, there's a million things that little things you could pick up and doctors don't mind get your they like that you that like to teach the natural exactly and they and they talking anyway into a, you know, a microphone. So you're taking notes and they like if you ask questions about specific things, let's just we want to speak to the chase a little bit. So Joe Halas Castro was the first of three murder victims. No, she well as it turns out. She was not the first murder victim was a young girl by the name of Rasheeda washing on the Rasheeda Washington was the third alera. I know you told Name Escapes me right now. I'm sorry Paola particular pay all the she was 13 and she was killed in 91 along the FDR Drive. She was there's like six years earlier. It was now all credit in the world to solve that homicide goes to detective retired. Michael Ako. Because Mike was in the two three rep. Yeah, he came from the Bronx and when he got the bureau we wanted to the 2/3 rip. He was a bronx. Coppice Paul. Kariya. And for some reason I don't know why he that case became his pet. It was on his desk, you know and every once in a while he called the family on his own just to say we're still working because let me tell you what that case you want to talk about a cold case that way ice that was ice because and a 13 year old girl that yeah, and and we had instead right in the chest and put right on the other side of the bridge. The Footbridge in the FDI. I can't tell you how many times we went there and stood at the location. They clear fucking that the gospel would meditate but thinking that the killer would come back with something where would know nowhere where y here where you know what I mean, do you try all these crazy things in your headshot? You know, we were even considering going to a psychic at what you know, no, but this was just but I mean I'd say that was a that was this was a sexual crime and the only the only evidence since they had on her was one pubic hair that they were able to tell was from a male black. They didn't have anything in 91 years later. Did they tell you did they identify that because we can't use yes. Okay, and there's a Funny Story related to that. I had to take him to the morgue to have them pluck his pubes. So obviously when he was in he got word, That they were doing it. So you shaved. Hmm. They wanted to take his from the nape of his neck and his pubic hair. So he shaved so I don't know at what rate pubic hair grows on an individual but we had to get a court order. I could tell you. Okay, take two or three weeks for how long well if you want to start like a length of about a quarter inch. Okay, this is not how do you have to say and you know how to know that it's not a personal thing that a manscape vertically on Saturday shape certain areas. My body is another I'm not proud of it. But I heard that purple for you. We had his white over taint that leads to the tank. I think doesn't it go ahead so you leave the tank. That is so anyway, we are we I had we go to a phone records as well. Like she's from the Bronx. What the hell is she doing in Spanish? All okay and we're back to talking about the second gray O'Leary. No, no the first the Stars grow my case they don't. That is not part of anything. It's okay. Okay, Joe house and our biggest thing is what is this girl? Who's the civilian doing in this neighborhood on a rooftop now, you start theorizing what would bring it to the neighborhood? Okay. I mean as far as anything, like I said, we read her Diaries, we phone books everything. I thought it's so weird cause you feel like, you know someone but you could she's reading their inner thoughts. Not sure but I don't know them in life. You only not even death and she was a beautiful girl a beautiful baby. You know, I'll kid and like I said she was mine broke college student. She was trying to better herself single mom. What had happened was it turns out she had met a young lady. Shopping on form. Rho. And the young lady turned out to be Aaron Keys girlfriends and they got into talking is women do when they shopping so they exchanged numbers and Of course again to find out how she got to the neighborhood we found out that her uncle worked for car service in the Bronx and whenever she wants to go somewhere. She called her uncle. So the car service, of course the one day she calls him to take her someplace. He's on an airport job. So they get another driver who you know, she knows to trust to take her. We interview him. He doesn't remember a thing. He doesn't keep records or nothing. We had to go through. I don't know how many stacks thousands of dispatch sheets to find heard her call that day. Now we got her phone records. So we knew when she called but we gotta have we had to find the driver. Where is this pre cell phone or yeah. Well, this was 97. Yeah cell phones would in the mix but not like now, you know. But again kids can understand when they say what there was. No, yeah phones back then no tin cans and a string but her phone records indicate. She's calling a number, you know, the exchange was in East all you know, and he's stalling exchange. So again, you know, We have to go to the phone company to get you know, subpoena for the you know, subscriber information. All right. Luckily. I have a I had a hook. You know as I had two great hooks that I used to charge guys for I had a hook in the phone company and I had a hook and Welfare and the welfare Hook was the best the welfare of those that thing went back seven generations. Oh and not only that she is another great thing about housing you just as to regress housing had to do double work you have to do a 61 Our complain if you want to take a complaint on you know, whatever a burglary but let's say for argument's sake you had to do is 61 and each Precinct had a block of 61 numbers reserved for housing and housing had their version of a 61 which is called an IRA or a nice ER which was an incident complaint report. So you basically had to do double work because the IR for housing had to have a 61 number on you know, I'm saying so but those Ours were delivered to the management offices every week. So and they were put in the fallers. So when you are looking at a few of the of the tomatillo that's great housing investigative resources - God and if you had a housing assistant that you know, you took care of and they took it. Let me tell you you could find information and Social Security numbers. You name it anything you find because housing departments were handed down, right? Right from Grandma to Mom to daughter and so on and you'd find you know Grandma and you know butt-fucked North Carolina and that's where Sonny Boy was hanging out every day. It was it was a fantastic. That's a great resource. But then again, this is all before computers bait. We had the basic, you know bad some cars Sisterhood, you know, but green screen. Yeah and and DMV what up when I needed anything, you know done on like a LexisNexis. Whatever check rather. I'm sorry, cause you're my head's at I used to call friend of mine at the other news because I had a lot of friends that were reported, you know, Daily News and in various like John Miller and I were buddies. Yeah the right around with me and at that time he was a biggest cock puffing and it still is but he's again, it's one of the hooks that my son doesn't know yet with that being said I had a call because they had access to the internet, right we had no internet access, you know, I remember that you mentioned Schlegel before he was one of the first guys to bring in a laptop. We were amazed we sort of thing and he was doing flight simulator. He thought himself out of fly on a laptop and he actually even at some of the searches you could do on the internet could help you well and well, there was no social media back. They'll put the the police department didn't have the internet act and I'll be right there lap time. Remember guys used to bring in their own laptops and plug them in color. Wire and the whole bit, but well, how about trying to get a picture from another police jurisdiction back then? Why was I tell you one thing? It's like impossible. I tell you one thing. I had Pony Express operation. I had better cooperation in harm working homicides with outside agencies that I did if you were to call up if you were the two three and you call the 19th. Do me a favor. Can you poem you got a case with such and such I get better cooperation if I called Pittsburgh? Like they'd get back to me in a half hour the 19th would never call. I'm just talking about even the technology. We used to have to use our own emails to get a picture sent to us from another police jurisdiction, which isn't a good thing. Who is this see Bowl Express email, you know, that's my personal email, you know. Well right again, this is again, we got the phone records and we got the subscriber information if we had a weight it would have been weeks, you know, if you had to wait for the subpoenas to go through and then you had to go down there to 6th Avenue and it was the whole rigmarole. So we got the phone records and we set the subscriber information and Cynthia Kate sent the exact number of calls back and forth back and forth back and forth. All right. So now we have someone in the neighborhood. She's calling and he lives and what's the it's a this is a development. It's called 1199 plot. Yeah, it's a private development and it's you know on along first day of a new from like a hundred eleventh to I guess so about a hundred eight it goes and it's 1199 because it's the XI an onion and funded it and it's mostly for their workers. All right, they're very nice buildings. Actually, very, you know doorman security so I call up and I get the mother on a phone and I talked to her and I could tell her who I am and I said do you have any sons or daughters or whatever she is. I have a son. How old is he? And this is all over the phone and she says he's about 20 days 23. I said really what's his name? She gives me the name, you know, she's airing Maliki. Okay. I said could you leave a message please? And have him call me? She hasn't asked me what it's in reference to. So three hours later. I get a phone call him. I said listen, could you do you come by the precinct because I don't want to come by the house and you know, you don't want to be seen talking to Cops, whatever I got to ask you a couple of questions about a friend of yours. He goes sure what I'm going to come over. I mean articulate charismatic well-spoken he shows up right on time, but he brings his girlfriend and their baby an infant. And I had the interview room. staged with you know, we are tips posters made very quickly. Everything was done very quickly with the tips posters in their you know, a couple of Polaroids sticking out intentionally, you know from an envelope. That's just to see his reaction when he went in the room. None none. Hmm sits down again answers every question. I asked him. No attitude no screw the police. I ain't got to be nothing of that kind. No vibe. No bad vibe off. Does he have a record? Yeah a robbery. He had one robbery arrest the couple of juvie stuff that was sealed and I recall you had a robbery Kyle that he pled out to and he did like seven eight months. It wasn't a weapon involved just wrong. He went Upstate now. It was time to start the Reich if I take I believe but he had one one Colour. So I say we got a perp he's purpose shouldn't you know, he's he's in the neighborhoods where and he admits he goes. Yeah. I met her on Fordham Road with my girlfriend the girl started talking and they call to get together. They became friendly they called to get together and you know, she was coming here to go shopping because along 3rd Avenue in East Harlem is a big shopping area, you know from life. Like a hundred Street to about a hundred 8th Street a lot of stores letter, you know, and but there's one Gourmet restaurant called McDonald's to yes, you'll be surprised with Stan how scary you know so much gentrification and neighborhood. I hate it but Because I'm up there all the time and you know, except my mother-in-law still lives up there. And you know, I still see people that don't you know, yeah. Yeah, they come up. Hey, how you doing? But and I have no idea who they are. But again, he's freely admitting, you know that she came that day and he says yeah. I saw a run at this point in time. She said she was leaving and we said goodbye and she left. Okay, how do you how did she get to that rule for why he goes? I don't know if I would have known I tell you he goes, you know, I really feel terrible about this what you know what I found out about it. How did you find out about it? Well, so talk at enable, you know base talking about right? So I said, when did you learn that? It was your friend? He said well when you called my house. He says, you know, I put two and two together and I figured that's why they have him become in. It's because of this like I said much of the girlfriend sitting outside with the infant. so now I take his statement. He gives us full statement that he talked to her that he was worried at that whole bit. Freely. Freely never asks for an attorney never asked for a thing free again articulate good-looking kid dress nothing that dress Street dressed casually, but not Street. Very very well spoken for someone his age. I mean he was into computers and things, you know, he was a wannabe DJ all that and so he had he was articulate and charismatic. So now I ask him if he'll sit outside. Let me talk to the girlfriend Sochi hands off the baby in the girlfriend comes over me now. She starts losing it when she sees the Polaroids and stuff. She Losing and she's I mean visibly she shook up. She's shaking. I mean and I got nervous. I thought she was really gonna go out on me, you know, like so got a water come to down. We apologize that she had to see that you know this and that And the reason why she got so sick was cause she had sickle cell. That's just a side note to this this it applies later. I take a statement from huh, it could encourage completely with his I mean like any couple, you know, if you and your wife went out, you know with a friend you would have the same version very much. Okay, so we got him, you know, he's the phone records. That's the thing that gets into the neighborhood. Now what happens we don't know. And that's sweet canvas canvas canvas canvas. They were tired of seeing us over there every time we went out on a case. If we weren't here, then we go over there. I mean it was they would tie to see us. And so this is this is 1997 year. Now. What year is the murder of Rasheeda, Washington? Also, your house was September 97. I believe Rasheeda had to be the spring of 98 98 and in between that we had a number of rapes now his wrist. This is another thing. I would had a habit of taking Polaroids of everybody. This was taught to me by an old time everybody. I ever interviewed on a case. Take a Polaroid of them. Because if someone has to come behind you to look at you know, find somebody you got a picture. All right. Okay, and I had Polaroid's of chi and chi in the Polaroid was wearing a sweatshirt that said FUBU the the make fobel across the front. Well again, we had rapes going on that. We didn't know what Titan because they were going from the they were not only in the two three, but they were in the to 5. So, this is 98 99 2000 is this is going yeah. It's continued. We had a bunch of grapes, you know here and there and description was always, you know, male black that the victims always were female Hispanics are light-skinned black females. Same age. Same type of belt. They fit a pattern we started Icinga pattern actually at the time Resnick was the one who decided to put a task force together. Now when Rasheeda's found I'm called in that morning. I'm supposed to afford. I was just I want you to talk about a little bit because this is important how Rasheeda was found. Okay, cuz it's it's indicative at least what I know. I study homicide a lot besides I taught college for years and she was displayed in a very sexually provocative position what you usually crime scene was staged right, but which usually indicates the sex offender but that being said she was in public View and she was covered by a sweater which indicates remorse usually for what was done. And again, they called me in on it. I come in. She's found in the staircase at like 6:00 in the morning by someone. The elevator was Triple all icky section below and there's someone was walking down the steps and they found around like the sixth floor land. It was also something also that was unusual. She had Square Mark, right? She had like a cross hatching on her back right now mind you she was not found face down. She was found face up, right but the cross-hatching From lividity who was so productive it. Yeah, you look like a, you know, an actual graph paper type of thing and we're trying to figure out what could make this now we knew from the outset. It was a strangulation killing the ammeter came to the scene you get shit petechial hemorrhaging, you know, you could see it was a Strange Relation Tico hemorrhaging is the the white of the eyes the conjunctiva it ruptures and I'm leaving. Yeah becomes pink so it Let's put a particular object and also you could start to see like handprints forming as the as the lividity cruising on cruising around her neck that yeah, so we're trying to figure out what is this cross-hatching now and a lot of the old in the housing apartments. There were like these dryers for clothes that you pulled up over the tub and you let them down they were made of wood and you hang the clothes on them and you pull it up. Again, you know to the edge, right? Yeah. So we we were we had to find an apartment that had one and then we had to try to see if it would measure out show didn't somewhere like where the hell did this come from cause she had to be pushed down with quite Force onto this. So again, we're trying to figure out whatever. What was this was this was a probably a post-mortem pattern, right? Because it lividity had said and you said it was slightly became of Promise. Yeah, like she wasn't alive when know it was alive. She was alive when that pattern was put on you sure. Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah that that's that's what we believe. Okay. Well again, we're we're trying to Great, what could cause is what could cause what caused it and I forgot who I wish I could give him the credit that they deserve but someone came out and said it looks like the pattern on a shopping cart. Sure as shit, someone wants to the you know, the thoughts of immobilizer shopping cart. We bring it up and the back of the shopping cart. It's perfect are almost perfect. Alright, so now we know what that came from. Alright. So again, Which is the only suspect we have and we have a composite now because this is what he was doing the girls that he didn't know. He wasn't killing. He was just raping him the girls. He knew it turned out. He was murdering. Of course, we didn't know it at the time right but we had really good composite sketch and it one rape. He also say things to the victims about how good-looking he was your honor. You should be honored that a guy like me it's doing this to you as opposed to some ugly junkie or whatever, you know so so far and He again, he's our only viable suspect the composite comes out. And at one scene and one rape scene is found what a FUBU hooded sweatshirt, right and a baseball cap is left at the scene. The composite sketch. I see the composite which was done between three or four rape victims and the department honest and I take the Polaroid and I'm like, oh my God, it was like the sketch was done from the Polaroid. Wow, and I got him wearing a full boil. So I call Rising right away and I said Chief what uses this was right after if the Rasheeda so 98 this is yes. It's got to be 98 going into the summer. So I call you know, meanwhile there's a partial laundry tag in the remember this well, actually they're running around trying to find a laundromat. Actually the one that was a funny story too because my key lock. Oh, I love by kulick over as Says look we get this tag from a dry cleaner and muck Eli calls. I get the fuck out of here. You never gonna fucking find that funny and sure enough all you know found it. Right Tommy McKay Tommy McKay happy find the the dry cleaner that's old-school detective work that little tag was and it wasn't a complete take it was a partial of the tent. And now you tell the rest of the story and old-time police work. Just go to Every dry cleaner. You can find in Spanish all And sure enough Tommy McKay Bowl time 40-year guy salted here to worked with him had the blessing of working with her, you know, no homicide Squad taught me a lot just his nature alone. He had principles Beyond far beyond those of mortal men unbelievable and he found he found a laundromat and guess who's the client Cynthia key the mother of the mother of a monkey. I talked to at the very beginning of the case. So I got him a pic. I got him in a picture wearing that right. So now the hunt goes on Okay, so We know where he lives. I have a CI in that building very good CI turns out in digging deeper into his background and this is my key lock of doing it because Michael Wacha was assigned to do compute certain computer to everyone had an assignment and being that he didn't catch anyone in the cases. He sees he finds I don't know how he even came across it but that he used the name Warford his last name Aaron Warford and that Goes off in his mind because in the Paola case that's been sitting on his desk for five six years. There's an interview with an errand with it. Well who's one of the last eyewitnesses to see that girl alive? You know, can I stop you for one second? I just remember something and you correct me. If I'm wrong. Aaron key was under arrest at one point you get on the cell and the two three he was in the cell when Rasheeda was killed. They were started talking about the case when were sheet when we found her. She did that morning. And when we come back to the squad, I just want to make this cell because another detective in the squad. Court finals of some kind of petty larceny or grandmas sake of computer parts like I told you was he fashioned himself a computer expert but I just wanted my: someone made us 61 that he has stolen he had supposedly supposed to fix a Computing of a return date is one of those kind of things so she sees e-collar she went and got him and he's in the cell but I put the point in mind you they was talking about 6:00 in the morning to detectors were talking about the case, but one of them is the Killer. He's in the cell. That's I'm just giving a lesson where you never talk about anything in front of a perk. You never know. But you never know right this is the perp because now I can walk now he's here in all the information they have or what they don't have now mind you and the talk the time at the time he wasn't a suspect that there was she you know, when we came back to the squad. I mean my God this we were out on the field since she was found around six by the time I got there. I like rolled out of bed and shot there and time I got there. It was maybe 750 teen we were out at the scene processing and canvassing. I don't know we didn't get back till like 1:30 in the afternoon, you know, so, you know whole ton of Us come back in and everybody shooting the shit about, you know the case and which is the real murderer and you're and meanwhile, you know, lo and behold look was there, you know, but you don't he said he calls out to me. Hey, what are you doing and mind you she calling him somewhere around the letter? I I don't exactly remember me. It's hard to remember. What time she column is? It was it was in the morning about 11:00 11:30, and he was a keeper because you know, it was a grand Lawson. Well, he was he was going through the system. So, you know, he's in the South he calls out to me and I said what are you doing here? What happened? And he tells me she locked me up for this. Nice. I'm sorry to hear that Unison and I said have you heard anything else about your friend? He goes I tell you if I did, you know, I call you I stand he goes in his wallet and sure enough. He's got my card in his wallet and you know, so he's there but again, he was nowhere near or suspect point. But when again later on as things develop and we got two calls recovered and there was here in the in the Hat and there was fibers on the sweatshirt. Okay. I remember they had that sweatshirt on a mannequin, you know in resnick's office. Long time and what you can also just see how today DNA saves long? Yeah. Well it took he would been identified years earlier had you know DNA technology on that one pubic hair. Yeah. Well what happens is now it took three months approximately three months to get that. To get him named as you know, the one who owned the sweatshirt, right it took that long because that's how the tables and even noticed. It was like so old up and you know, it was a miracle. It was like almost like her sending a message. Yeah, look here look here. Look here and McCabe found out and boom soon as he found that we hit the street like an army and we you know, we went out and we went to hunt them down. I and Rob Moni hit his apartment. We actually had terrible set up a camera outside his apartment phony smoke detector. He was hip to it. He ripped it down. It was member. He's the only suspect at this point. He's not idea in anything. It's not ideal in anything. He's just a suspect. So we're watch them 24/7 and they're trying to collect DNA if you flick the cigarette, but if he spits, you know, we're trying to do something. And you know finally other Detectives. They bring them in they feel and they well they don't like getting ahead of myself. Surreptitious Lee's he he ends up disappearing. He's supposed to meet me and Rob Mone 110th Street. He calls us and we're a communication with but again, this is pre when you could track her cell phone all are in communication with him and he says I'll meet you is on a hundred and tenth. I trust you guys. You're not going to shoot me and I'm like that and it's not and Rob is telling him listen. Don't have your hands in your pockets, you know, just we're going to do this by the book. And of course he doesn't show and he ends up fleeing with another girl who's like 16 17 years old from Brownsville. I don't know how he hooked up with her and we last see him we last track of to the Port Authority on a bus to Florida. So they're trying to you know, catch up to the bus sure and they can't now at this point while this is happening. Tommy and I are in Reading Pennsylvania on an unrelated case we grab the I in Manhattan that reading was looking for. Who we happen to know? You had brought up before about when you're looking for a guy. Everybody looks like him. Hmm. Well, we went out on it. We handed out a few cards one night. I'll beep is go up being a deepest at the same time. We call back. Yeah, he's on a ten-speed wearing a white wife beater. So we go out. Everybody on a ten-speed is wearing a white wife, you know, but then he spies us he sees us and it's like then Tanana. It's like taking it upon the Wizard of Oz was she On the bike that's what it was like and I'm hanging out the car door trying to knock him off the bike. I mean cars are coming from three precincts stuffs flying off the building's it's like a Friday night in August, you know. Anyway, we call it a guy we bring them in there was a shot fired. I don't know why a cop ended up getting three quarters for heart attack that night, but we brought him in but out of scratch without even having cuffed he was sitting in the interview room didn't even have until you know what he was like, I'm so cool. And you know, they had a warrant form so they couldn't talk to him but we could because we were talking to the Joint in the neighborhood, but he confessed to two murders and that's what I used to us so much to the Chagrin of Lieutenant Kyle and you have to go to really get the four trips. So we were a lot of money on that because it's me. Yes we did and he's doing to Life's consecutive life terms. But again, Pennsylvania some bad experiences with detectives from the tooth. Detective Pat went there and got a confession member know we know we got one question here. What happened to Aaron Keys? Okay. So what I'm telling you is happening, Tommy and I are coming back from reading and we're driving back and we get right by Newark Airport. We turn 1010 wins on. Siege in Florida serial killer from New York is holed up in a hotel in Miami. We know what it is. I called the two three right away. I said Tommy and I are right by Newark. Let us get on a plane right now go down there. We'll be there in three hours. No, what do you mean? No, he'll talk to me. No. Again, I knew he would talk to me. Okay, I had a rapport with him. No one else did I was the only one who interview and he's caught that the rights at this point, you know, he's a wanted fugitive. He's caught that but his DNA is pause. We got it. We got it. Yes at this point. He's he's you know, he's id'd by his DNA. Yeah. That's why we would join us in Florida right now and he's locked in that hotel room, right? He's hiding out because of a warrant that was put out now on we had no warrant. We had no What it what is two detectives from New York going after him that Swiss hold up and Monie and Darryl. Hey Sarah from the homicide Squad and Again, I should have been going down there and I I sit I got to go down the hill talk to me they refused and to this day. I'm pissed off. But that's that's politics. What are you gonna do Moni and Darrell they spot him what happens happens that you know, the SWAT team in Miami gets them, you know, thank God, the girl was not hurt. She would have been the fourth victim and he makes spontaneous utterances. Whatever. It's a Time Daryl. Let's um talk to you know, the girlfriend say goodbye, and he basically makes some admissions. But never a state never a full statement. So, you know, he's brought back to New York and you know, he waived extradition. He was brought back and at this point in time the girlfriend. Oh I had goes to Virginia to live with her mother with the baby. I want to go re-interview the girlfriend because I know for a fact again. We had this big log in with the Amy's office. Was she alive or dead when she was set on fire? Well, we had the Emmy make the determination. She was alive she was burnt alive. So he had there were no screams heard there was nothing so he had to do something to quiet her. Whether he was aided by someone else, which I always felt he was a little side note to that. We talked about getting messages before and getting him right? I was on my swing I get a tweet because it became a cold case. So a year to the day we redid the, you know, a friend of mine a Daily News ran the whole thing again, uh-huh put the squad's number and tips phone call on my swing comes to the squad for me. Someone from the rip picks it up and says Wagner's not here. He says well listen, I got information about that girl that was burnt on the roof. There was a guy and a girl at did it. He goes, all right wagon will be in Monday that for calling back and this detective was not a dumb detective. He was a sharp detective but he must have been preoccupied. So my God, what we ended up having to I mean, we got logs and tolls from the precinct because we didn't know if it came directly to the squad if it came to the TS but it was transferred up. We don't know, you know what I mean, but never got another call again, but wait this course. It was a girl a guy and a girl involved. But so I want to go talk to the girlfriend again. She's in Virginia. They won't let me go. I don't know why. Okay, I go to resident boss. I spoke to her before. Let me go send any when you are with me, but let me go talk to her. No, so he sends other Detectives. Oh they come back. Without any confession, but she says to them. And it's on a Versailles. I would have told Wagner what happened that day he had me and you know in the interview room. But Ace, who's that was his nickname Ace had the baby. And I was afraid he would hurt my baby. I was I would have told so I'm saying to myself. If I could have gotten her to tell me but she didn't ever would have died. Well and for girls never would have gotten raped it's heavy to carry with you but that's you know police work is not an exact science. What's great about today is that you took a step by step to this case and I would build it up and there's so many there's so many moving pieces to it all things like this is so the best the best was again when we took him back to the Emmys office, you know, when you know, you got the court order Christian. Became Muslim so he'll eat kosher and you have to go to court on Friday. Not all bit so they got them cut. Whoever brought him from Rikers. Let him come in front cuffed. Mmm, Karen a Korean so they pluck them. And we got to take him back to Lodge them now with me and Rob taking him back. I forgot it went to pick them up. So I said put your hands behind your back. He goes, I don't do that. Excuse me. I say put your hands behind your back because I don't do that. I said listen pal Bellevue is right across the street. I'm going to tell you right now either you put you on the hands behind your back will be in Bellevue with two broken arms. I mean, who do you think you are telling me which helps? You know, well, how am I supposed to carry my Quran? What quran' You get drunk, you know the Korean I don't know where what all I know is. He was we are cuffed and as I click the custom gather I whispered in his ear. This is a jailhouse and I clicked and he turned his head so fast and looked at me in the eye and he was gonna say something. And then he sucked it back in and I remember in the car telling him one day. I'm going to come up state to visit you and you're going to tell me the real story about what happened PS. He gets six hundred years. The trial was a whole sham because even if presented themselves, yeah, the 18b lawyers, you know, because it was technically a death penalty case. They had you know that not the regular legal aid the real lawyers. And you know, they let him pull his T-shirt out with all kinds of stupid theories and notes. It was it was a lunacy. But of course they had entertain it, you know, but at sentencing he got, you know, they allowed all the plants is taken by the way that that one pubic hair got hit to him mitochondrial DNA from 1990-91. And that's why we could charge him with all three homicides well because of his DNA was on all three victims. Items using I think seven rape victims to a Jehovah's Witnesses, but we got them to pick him out of a photo array. So we were able to close those with fruition today and there's still two homicides that I'm a hundred percent sure. He did ones in the South Bronx and for oh, his mother had moved to the South Bronx. She was same height weight and build. She's from East Harlem. She was visiting Man in South Bronx. She was suffocated, you know joke wrapped in duct tape. We recovered duct tape on the search warrant, of course film upon his arrest we search these premises we got, you know recover the duct tape. Remember Rob Mone hand-delivered the duct tape. He had to go by an Amtrak to DC to the FBI is a ducted guy, you know, you know, he's got the pocket protector and pens. He does duct tape. He said I can't testify to this in court but it's the same doctor. Well, well, we don't have technology this case want just one thing and it's one in Virginia, but they don't care because Virginia and she's a woman of color. And so there's this new more. He already got six hundred years. Yeah, what's thrown another couple right except closure for the families, right? Absolutely. She's very important. Yeah. Ultimo's fun. Yep. Well Scott, I want to thank you for coming by Man story was fascinating. I'm happy that we had a chance to chat on the first half and you cut up a little bit because it's this whole second half. I mean even though it's an amazing case. It's kind of put me in a bad way. It's really did. I'm sorry. No. No, I'm just saying it's like great great detective work, but it's just unfortunate, but I want to also say your job. It wasn't just me. No, I know the whole to everybody everybody passports as a team everybody involved in it, you know just disgrace to me. This is featured on a TV show clueless shopping cart to Levy show on what was that that was still godís Curtis production and that's called the shopping cart kill. Then there's another one that Linda fierstein who was the former head of sex crime right had a TV show called Murder By the book. Okay. So it's also featured in one of her episodes in Murder By the book. So from Google it you could find the any parting words though. Look every week. We have a fascinating guest and he didn't disappoint, you know, there's this was fun and it was his motive and for our audience to you, see how emotionally charged this gets for the detectives and the that are involved at they put their whole life and that's the heart and soul in it, you know. Yeah rubbing off on me. So, you know, I applaud the nypd's finest, you know, Scott. Thanks for coming in man. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Love to have him back. Love to see you. Like I tell all our Last September 21st, we're going to probably do something over at Pleasantville a nuisance Lucy Lucy's in Pleasantville. And what its gonna be is we're going to tell some jokes. But before that we're going to have a live podcast or inviting all our past guests on everybody's gonna get a chance in the hot seat. We're going to catch up with everybody and that'll be the end of our first season and then we'll start another season, but I was great. Thanks for coming by and on behalf of police off the cuff man. This was a great episode and thanks for tuning in. over and out
Scott F. Wagner has more than 39 years experience as a professional investigator, and hostage negotiator, solving criminal cases of murder and narcotics trafficking to civil cases of insurance fraud and property theft. In his 23 years with the New York City Police Department, Scott advanced from a housing project beat cop to detective, earning a promotion into the elite Manhattan North Homicide Squad, as well as the Hostage Negotiation Team. Scott was a first responder to the 1993 WTC bombing, as well as to 9/11. Scott has earned numerous awards and commendations during his law enforcement career. He is regarded as an expert in Hostage Negotiations and at cracking “cold cases”, where the passage of time lessens the chance for justice. In his career, Scott has solved 95% of all his cases while maintaining a 100% conviction rate, - a clearance rate among the highest in the NYPD. He’s also a skilled hostage negotiator, adept at handling emergencies of all types. While a member of the NYPD’s dignitary protection unit and later as a private eye, Scott has guarded and planned security for VIPs ranging from heads of state to “Hip Hop” celebrities. Scott has headed up security operations for one of the largest philanthropic organizations in the City of New York-with assets over $4.5 billion dollars. He’s been featured in documentaries, (Most recently Lifetime channel’s “Faith Under Fire), books and numerous newspaper and magazine articles, TV shows “The Shopping Cart Killer” & Murder by the book with Linda Fairstein, for his work helping to catch a serial killer & rapist who preyed on young girls in East Harlem. Scott has also been sought out and interviewed for several internet magazines in regards to his expertise as a hostage negotiator. Scott has worked as a law enforcement technical advisor on three television shows as well as two novels. 