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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN activity top now. We are back and fully staffed. Yes. However folks that I'm so sorry. I didn't mean I didn't ever I don't want to I'm sorry, I can't make it tomorrow because I'll be in Egypt. Sorry, but I'll be I'll get you when I get back. I'm tuning in. Don't you what thank You magazine right back. I'm like, I can't be here because I'll be in Fresno right Egypt. So yeah, that's not a world traveler sir, you blush, but I have never been to Egypt guys, but it's happening. What's up? Everybody should boil it. Of course. The affair after so we're super excited to talk about this episode winding down to almost the end of the season. Yes, but my ladies are here next to me is as we were mentioning the world traveler herself Allison Dean. Hey, I am happy to be here and I'm sorry that I was not with you last week because last week's episode was like, oh whoa bananas crazy. It was crazy. But oh no, but yeah, but you know me and my OG held it down pick it o GC is the original Gangsta. It was his day 1 April wizard that she actually just came from Palm Springs in Palm Springs. Like what Egypt not quite Switzerland, but exactly we're here Springs happy to be here. Yes. Hello. Holy smokes. Yes, so speaking of what did you all think about this particular episode? It wrecked me? Yeah did it why because I just I was saying this to both of you. He cannot catch a freaking break, correct? I feel you know, look, we've all had our hate against Noah. I think I voted for a bit. Yeah. I hate yeah, and certainly I had my fair share. But at this point I truly feel he has repented. He has done. I mean literally he has done his time, correct, but really I think he's become very self-reflective and he's working on himself. I think he's thinking a lot about his actions and this episode is just wow. It's a doozy. I feel totally the same way. It's almost like, you know, I got to remember we had Helens part because Noah Part was just so heavy and I don't want you know, I don't think we're being romance. I don't think it's like okay lets you know forgive Noah because this this this I'm like the dude is not guilty of what at least they are saying in this instance with eaten now we whatever with the other thing we'll talk about that but I just literally feel for him because I feel like well guys, I just feel for him and it made me feel obviously we are connected to his character a whole lot more than we're connected to any other. Other character meaning as far as like an Eden or you know an Audrey or the people who were speaking negatively about him. So we're of course going to be whatever but I did like the fact that they are touching on this subject. That is a very very hot topic hot and I mean like Sizzle on the grill topic especially for people, you know, you have your the people who this happens to every single day and it's such a horrific horrific thing and then they are also touching on the side of like, you know, the man side what the heck this didn't happen. And obviously we as a Society are automatically going to go or we should go with the you know, quote-unquote victim, but I think I think they're actually doing a really really really great job of like hitting it and making you feel some kind of way about it and meaning like this is our guy we saw what we saw this didn't happen. So I don't know I do like they're doing that but it's tough to watch him going through this. I'm just going to add one thing. So in the povs during the time he was with Eden. That was all his PO. Be right. Yes. Yes, and then also in the POV when he was with the student that was his POV, right? Everything was I mean on his hand the same now because that season the season where you're talking about in previous. Yes with the with the French Professor or whatever. Yeah, and so there's definitely a piece of my brain as we're watching where I thought to myself Could things have been not aware that they were the same because never fake right? Oh you did. Okay, we said last week but I think with how they're doing things especially with tonight. We'll get there but I don't think I think what he saw and what happened in those businesses is we thought they were terrible. I mean, I'm hoping the yes, right we thought they were awful when it was happening. Like it was six sickening for me to watch because I'm like, oh my God, you're married. This is this your babies being delivered, but I think that's one of the moments where we probably were seeing most of what actually was just happening because it was a very bad look, Him well at the time yeah, so for me, I do like the fact that they're using, you know real time with and they mention it actually, you know, they call it out the me to movement. Yeah, and so the fact that they use that in this case and then you see him in his point of view where he is actually talking to us publicist and they're trying to get you know, figure out how do we you know counter-attack this he's being accused of things. He's vehemently denying them. And from what I remember seeing it did not happen from what we saw. On the show previously when he was taught when he was with eating and they were on that book tour. So and I agree and even though I've had my I've had a lot of things to say about know his character because he's had some major mess ups Yang's are major major major. Yeah, but I feel like I agree with you Allison in the sense that he definitely has repented. He's definitely trying to turn over a new Leaf. I still thinks he makes bad decisions. Yeah, he does not perfect. Correct him going to the book. Signing thing or what have you was a terrible idea that I'm like, what are you doing? But that's no I feel like it wouldn't be no way if he didn't do that, like of course your horse exactly. Yeah, but I do think he's getting a bad rap and I think it's going to be interesting to see what comes of you know it in the future episodes agreed I'm with you. Yes speaking of so we did start with Helens point of view and she's actually an interview for designer position. Give her coin but it was definitely Devil Wears Prada with those two girls that are doing her right and just oh I like how long do you want to work there? I don't know but I guess I'll just leave now again, I think it goes back to the whole l a situation like yeah. I feel like they have their they like to point this, you know thing about Ela and the stereotypical things about Ela answer and that design Community, right and You have these two women is like what you don't have five followers. Ah, now what is wrong with you? What else? Have you done like it? Exactly? Yeah, so I don't know if I really care about that point because I feel like it's too too much on that side. No, but good for Helen for going after a job grandma and I like that aspect. I like the fact that she's going with it. And I did like how boss woman came out of it. How about was like yo, I heard that you were the business right? You know, I'm saying I heard that you were amazing. And she's a you know securing the job right so which is what she wants to do. She tells Whitney that she got the job and then that's how we found out why she'll because you know, we were asking like, why wasn't she with because it was never I don't think it was really giving the full spectrum. They just had like she couldn't yeah that she could have but we didn't really know why so this kind of told us why she wasn't there with knowing Whitney when you know, they were doing the whole thing when he catches up to speed with us going on. She's like, oh my gosh, did you got the dress and you got like this and what I've mom out of this dress. Old in right? Yeah, whenever we were watching I said I was like, this is the beginning. This is the beginning. We said it last week. We said at the week before how are they in these few amount of episodes going to bring them together? Because I think we're all in agreeance that that's what the point is or maybe that they should be at this point anyway, and so I'm like how they're going to do this. And this is how they're going to do it. They're going to start with this thing. There's no I mean like in the picture that Whitney sends her of you know, where Noah's taking the picture of her and she zooms and she doesn't zoom in on Nations have daughter who write on little Noah so it's like they're I'm happy that we got that like moment because I'm like, how are they going to do this? I really hope they do it so maybe but then the project going to disappoint us but whatever. I hope not I hope not I was so glad that Noah had them on with Whitney because they had such a tumultuous relationship ever since he had the affair. Yeah, like she was not been on his side for several seasons, right? Especially when I was thinking about when they were doing the flash backs on their previews when he went into the hot tub, and it was her. That was probably the lowest moment. That was a lever. Yeah three. That was really really bad between them two. Yes, absolutely. So we do see that you know that happens and then we always try I knew that I knew I don't know if you guys thought that I didn't share it with me, but I knew that when she when she got into that accident and of course I'm talking about Sierra she had an accident with her child, Eddie. He and she just kind of walked away. I knew that wasn't going to be end of I was like, there's no way she's gonna get away with it. But we do see that this lady from Social Services. DCFS is greets Helen and it's like hi, you know, I got a couple of questions talking about what happened and of course, you can't divulge any information right actually side note. I happen to work for the Department of Children and Family Services back when I lived in Stockton before old La revisor. Yes at CPS we got All right. So fire in first so I know all about how that works out to drop some knowledge like this. Yeah, this is what would happen. No. No, I'm just giving a blanket. Okay? Yeah she waits. I'm just letting you know, I would rather confirm which is not okay. No, I mean they I mean the way that she handled it. I mean it's kind of true in the sense that you go out you kind of have to ask questions can't really divulge right a lot because yes, you know, obviously so she does that and of course Helen is trying to figure out What's going on? Because she had no knowledge no idea of that but side note it did happen after she left Ellen's house. Yeah, then she ends up going to me Christiana who ends up on hitting on the Graham who Helen is just discovering not in the sense. She didn't know about it, but she just wasn't on it which the helenseims very like anti Instagram. So I guess yeah. Yes, what do you all think of the whole Christiana situation? Because we saw her a couple episodes first introduced right? She comes over Sasha makes a big deal about her. Starting money. That's what she tells Helen and her thing is like, you know, she was previously in rehab but then now we see that she's reaching out to her for help to talk to Sasha. What do you think about her? You know, I just think that Helen has enough on her plate and that's what I'm trying to keep in my mind like I do feel for crystianna. I think that whenever we're you know, if we're comparing her side to Sasha side, I believed her and then whenever saw she was telling his side actually did believe him a little bit about some because I don't think there's ever going to be a perfect true story to that because I think it's clear that maybe each of them are not fully telling it correctly to one another or to hell and I should say okay, but I'm like, I also want to I want to take it back to what Vic said like do your own thing and I'm like they are throwing all of this stuff at Helen. They're not just throwing, you know, Sierra but and her Helens own kids and Noah doing this is this but they're now you have this other character who's like hey, I need you and when we were watching I was like no And she when she said can you ask Sasha? This Helen is not a part of this Helen judge has met this girl once and so she's going to go and you know, let's pretend like we're on Sasha side as far as being held boyfriend for a second for this incident because we're not public said we are kids. Yeah, let's say we are don't go, you know ruin your relationship for this girl that you don't know because it's exactly what it's going to do. I mean, we want that to happen, but I'm like, I just think Helen has too much on her plate right now. To now take this huge thing. This is not something small. But we're talking prefer. We're talking about a whole lot of money right trying to convince her relatively new boyfriend. Hey, by the way, you have all those girls money give it to her. You don't need it. But she does I can definitely see how she does approach Helen in the sense that she's like look you're not like Sasha's other women. Yeah that he's been with which he's even said and Sarah's mother even said exactly so the fact that right, which was kind of a dig. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent in 100 it great exactly. But the fact that I think that she's at our wits end. She literally I mean if I if this is all true, which I'm going to err on the side that it is, I feel like I would be in a desperate situation where I have to keep asking my father for my own money sure and he doesn't want to give it to me and we find out later that he's cared about. It's all about him. Not not her father. But yeah why but my father figure yeah, right. You know what? I'm not even a father-figure. Yes because he's not even that to her, please. She raised her whole entire life. So at some point he was Taking Liberties though because he's such a man will show like that. She's also that she's like, yeah, he raised me. She said they were to get he Sasha said they were together when her mother Christian was five. They got together at that point, but she did say like we grew I grew up with him the whole society got so screwed. Yeah really is it's very true. It's very screwed. But I again what I was saying was that I would be also I wouldn't I would hit up Helen do oh, yes. It's all your questions. Exactly. Yeah now should Helen obliged and then you know kind of chime in that's a different situation is already beginning to question if Sasha man is whatever. He's so good. He's sort of expressing himself to be and I think the first real implication of that was when he decided that he was not going to do that movie that's like going to be the game changer. That was the first, you know mark on his record if I don't know. That was a first but that was a big one. I think that was a big one for us because he's hiding some subtle. Yes. She's kind of like okay, but I'll let it chill out our clients exactly. Right but this one she really questioned it you could see it in her eyes. You guys should processing Ash totally as she should and so I think in her Helen nature because it's just who she is. She's a caretaker. She just naturally always will try and make sure that someone is gonna be okay Sierra and This girl is coming to her and I think she does want to err on the side of caution and boyfriend, but at the same time I think Helen because she's Helen is also thinking myself wait. This is not adding up right and now I feel like I need to dig deeper. And if this girl came to me just like you're saying if she like she doesn't know me if she came to me after after all of this. She clearly is desperate. You know, I think Helen is doing a good job. She could she didn't handle it well in the situation where she finally approached sauce Asha about it because she was annoyed by him and she was annoyed and then she's like well by the way those girls had this so not the greatest moment but like she had reason to be annoyed but yeah, he was being annoying. Yeah, he wasn't being great. Like I did think I was like, I actually liked the fact that he, you know flew in from chat or whatever. He was and didn't know I was I was impressed he can do it easily. But I was like I get why he's like, what are you talking about? I just flew in because guess what Sierra is another thing. Bringing I don't think bringing Helen down, but it's another thing making Helen not do stuff for herself. Yeah, but she also was kids so sure. Yeah. She made that comment. My kids are making me dinner. My kids are doing so at the same time for him to be so presumptive about. Oh, yeah. I can just whisk her off. She has no responsibilities here. I mean, she has been very good about being able to just kind of escape and and let the path bullets got at the same time. Like if you are flying 24 hours to see a woman Okay at some point drop the hint. Hey, you got something else going on because I may have some plans for us. I mean do yourself a favor big surprise, right? But what I hate it when she did say my and he he handled it at that point when she said my kids are making dinner for me. I'm sorry. I can't he said okay. I am not on Sasha side whatsoever. Yeah. I thought I did think I was like, this is a good thing. Yeah, you know, I had no choice. Let me tell you about. This is why I hate Sasha always hate it. I hate it. Absolutely because Sasha is all about himself. Yeah, did you do a great thing? He did it for himself like you got to understand like like to go to friend exactly whatever. That's what I'm saying. Like he spun it like, yes, it was her birthday and he wanted to do this nice thing. But again, he was presumptive. Yeah, that's your bad. You can just imagine he's in his mind. Everyone is at his beck and call. Yes, and that's the problem. Um, I have with him and people like him where he feels like his like you got to drop everything you're doing. I don't care what you have planned and you saw his response when she was like, oh my kids. He's like, I just flew 24 hours. It's French Laundry mind you sidenote French. Laundry is amazing. I haven't been able to go there. It is a Napa. I've seen it several times reservations a long time in advance. Exactly. I've driven past it a lot ha ha ha. I haven't walked a lot. Yes. It's what is nation is the only So side note only three star Michelin three-star restaurant in northern northern, California. Okay, so it's amazing. So shout out to French Laundry even Drake shouting right but the bottom but the bottom line is Sasa is about Sasha hand. And yes, he was trying to do something and you saw his reaction. Yeah, the fact that he stayed I want to give him a half a point - point. I have a point, but the reason why it's a half a point is because when he stayed there It's so annoying. He was super annoying and interjecting himself and things that he had no business doing if Helen wanted to step in and be there for her then let her do that. Like let her at least acknowledge it you see Sasha and you see Adeline, they're both of these Hollywood Elites or want to be a leader think they're Elite and so they feel like that that all their whole existence is extends Beyond everybody. Yeah, so we see it. Adeline right. She's got that old Hollywood like I'm gonna do whatever I want. I got money that about sausage just like her dad two peas in a pod. So you see them both talking like oh, you know, I'm just going to take you and I'm gonna commit to like, how do you just tell your daughter who has and I believe that's true. Yeah has postpartum depression, which is very common. Yes to be like, you know what I'm gonna commit, you know, I got a special rate though, but I'm a commit you and then I'm going to take care of your your son while you get this help. It's like a gay. Again, hey Mom. How about you just find me a really good nanny to help me out what she again. She clearly needs how some sort of helmet all she needs help more than just a nanny and she is very much. So Sierra herself is willing to admit that she's like, you know when she has the conversation with Helen where she's like I look at myself in the mirror and I want to hurt myself. I want to do this. She needs help. She is now admitting that but it's just the fact that her mom, you know, her mom had to be called because she's her next of kin, correct. She is her mom is Eddie's next of kin right? I'm like, why did you call Priya but whatever maybe that's a another story for another day. But I think that the fact that a Sierra is almost just willing she's like but it didn't then again. She's like in a day. She doesn't know what to do. She hasn't slept she's going through this vent postpartum depression as many people hopefully know I guess I should say is if it's a serious medical condition that affects many whammy so like when you see her she's like well, yeah. Yeah, my mom's gonna take me to this doctor and and that's literally like with a glaze over her eyes and like you can barely hear her because that Mom is probably berated her. Yeah. I told her that that's his what she needs to do. So like I get there's part of me and maybe it's just me wanting to play Devil's Advocate but I get where Adeline is like. Hey, you need help you need this, but the fact that she just automatically goes to like institutionalizing her. It's just insane but not quite that kind of help. Guess what that is exactly. That's a parent who doesn't want to deal with their kid. Which is what we're seeing in that they're trying to like show with Sierra Sierra, you know when he'll and walks it was laying on the couch doing nothing. Eddie's upstair crying. I don't think she was truly trying to let him cry it out because he just needed to cry it out. I don't even think she knew I was crying which is what some things that happen. But like I think that's what they're trying to show but the fact that Sierra was willing to just accept it and Helen was interjecting herself into a situation that technically technically is not her business, but it is very much so her business because she now Why has made it her business? That's what I was going to and that's a perfect example that Sierra has made it Helen's business here at constantly Goes to Hell In and Out help for help you babysit. Can you give me pointers or face? Exactly? Yeah, but I think that it was key and I think the whole situation of the institutionalizing is just showing and that's why Sarah had that moment where she's like Mom. I want to let you know that Helen has showed me. What a real mom is. Oh, yeah. I loves her children. Yeah, and she was really going in and that was a moment for her. That kind of showed. I mean we knew that Adeline her mother was trashed right like we already knew that but it was just a way for her to tell her like look you the way you've raised me is not how it's supposed to go. Right? Yeah, you took me around and whatever but it was really I was more like a puppet. I was like a prop you really didn't care for me. You didn't like impart into me. Helen loves her children just because she loves her children, right? There's no ulterior motive and that's why it was important for her to say that and why ultimately that I Think she bowed out. I mean Adeline she was a dementor by like well, we're going to take her and then that happened and then Ellen kind of introduction things and she's like, all right. Well, imma leave a come back tomorrow, right? She's not a process that kind of deep information. No absolutely not but then like let's think about it legally unless you know, if Sierra is at this point prosecuted, which she probably technically should be in some way just because all you don't drive but what situation would be covered accident which is why she's being investigated what happens you can't be like Okay. Well, you're going to take my baby away from me and I'm going to let it go to this person, you know add a line at that point would have to say no or the baby would have to go to Priya. So it's just it's a little murky of a situation but I'm like the fact that Helen is trying to help in the way that she is trying to help. That's what I just keep thinking. I'm like dear Lord woman. You got a lot on your plate. Yes. Yes, a lot of people coming at you, right that is as asking for your attention. I agree and I feel like Helen is the wipe that she is like she she Revels in that she like she she not that she's like, oh, yeah. Give me all your problems. Let me help you or what have you because you've seen that, you know when Sierra has come to her many times. She's like, oh I can't do it crazy. Right or I'm doing this or doing that but Helen is very very maternal. She has a strong maternal Instinct fraternal prowess and I think that at her core because if you think about it a lot of the time she said no, Because of Russia, right? It wasn't because she necessarily wanted to say no is because Sasha like even when we had that conversation when Priya is calling her and asking her she would have probably done that. Yeah, I agree. That's because Helen is trying to do Helen I'm not I'm not I'm just saying that but she didn't do it like her natural inclination would have been to do that to appease the other person but it is that's kind of in her nature, but she was mentally thinking oh, but tonight's for Sasha, isn't it? Good that she didn't I think it was good that She did it. Yes, and no, but at the same time, I don't think she needs to be doing anything was awesome. No, because I mean I tried I think she wanted to be at that party with Sasha. I think that's why I say that like, I think that she she yeah, I don't think she made it clear that she wanted to be at that party. Yeah. So like even tonight when Sierra was like, well, what did you expect I came to you and I asked for help. And you said no you had this this this I was like you just went down 87 notches in my Because how dare you blame this on her because I'm not her you could have done anything else. You could have done whatever of course the fact that anyone and the Helen takes that and that he'll and here's that hurts me for her because we all know what that is going to do to hell and that's going to make her feel awful and this is the whole situation with Christiana and Sierra. It's just I don't know. I mean Helen obviously is a saint and I think it just I'm like, I do think she should still be doing things that she wants to do more than putting everybody else in front of herself. I think in some way though. Though Holland's kind of really coming into her power right now and really recognizing the capacity with which she operates and how much she can do as a human. And so I think she can still operate and be honoring things that she wants for herself while still honoring that maternal. I'm caring for everyone else aspect of herself, which I still think is a big piece of who Helen is and so naturally she needs to do that to for it. I feel like I'm still Helen if you will, you know time so it's striking that balance for her of doing right by everyone else and still doing right by herself. Yeah. Sure. I think she's owning that Lori Stone Haskell on the chat says she thinks what Christiana ask of Helen is very inappropriate. Shout out to shout out to the chant Marie Ayala to but I think that that's why I and obviously, you know everyone our most everyone in chat agrees with us as our associations us and whatever but I don't know. Maybe it's just because I want Helen to be like the happiest and when did she look the happiest this episode when speaking about because to her version at the very end? Yeah, he brings a lasagna cake. Yeah with the candle and then he does have it again in his dramatic, right? Must love. Lasagna. I don't remember that being a thing. It's a thing. It's apparently he always made lasagna for her birthday. She doesn't lasagna. Let's get into Noah's version quick. Shout out to Stacy for totally Smackdown and on Sasha. Yes. She did. I will say I thought a few of her zingers were very I thought that acts up here Grady and she clearly knew what she was doing because she was like describing the exact story of Noah and Helen and Noah and the person to know and Hellman's person and I was like, wow, you're like 12 and you love you Stacey. All right Stacey the I'm glad you brought that up because Stacey did do her thing with that story. I feel like and I want to say I'm not sure the name of the actress but I think that she is playing that part so well because we've seen in this season her have so many good lines so many good, you know inferences into the situation the way she's been interjected the way she's playing out. So yeah, shout out to her. Yes. I was her doing her thing girl Stacy Doctors. Oh, so we see Noah and it starts up with him chopping it up with his friend Ariel. Yes, and then of course they talk about Eden. Oh dear and finds out that basically it's all bad. Like it's all bad for Noah. Yeah. She kind of breaks it down and says look, you're looking bad in this publishing world. You're not looking good. You look like a loose cannon was the word she used and so, you know, she basically gives not only the situation when you eat in with another former student Audrey Nelson who wrote a book and talks about having an abusive professor and is telling everybody and I feel like the the the literary World in this is very small. Oh, yeah, so I'm feeling like yo, like this is bad for him. He needs to let you move to Barbados or stay together. He goes to his publisher Harry and then we see Joyce who also works at the company and they're trying to figure out what can they do to kind of you know, Overtake the situation he's vehemently to denying everything's like I didn't sleep with her. Yeah, none of this didn't happen the way she's saying it but of course with a we get an accusation, you know, you got to like handle it. Yeah, and you got to figure out what you're going to do. What do you think that you know the information they gave him do you think that that was good advice? Oh gosh. It's that's a great question because I think some of the things that they were saying, yes good advice some most definitely not they Are the pr professionals whatever but you know, let's we know Noah as a character. I know that you know what Joyce said to say is that you know, okay, so you need to go and you know be like I respect her if you know this whatever interaction happened I thought it was totally this way if she considered it another way. I'm so sorry and he's like, no she could have never considered and I know him and I and I also in that moment when he was like no, why would I ever be like why am I defending myself against something that didn't happen totally get it and it's a major issue now and me who likes to be maybe a little less than politically correct because I'm like that's just crazy as a society that we have to like say things in a certain way obviously respect to everybody but like Eileen on the whatever side of it, but I think that I was like I get where he's coming from because if you thought this And this is what happened and if we if what we saw is actually what happened then no it was on her and that is not me remembering it correctly because I looked back and watched some Recaps. I watch Are You Captain did all this stuff? No, that is what happened what he is saying happened as far as what we saw was what we saw but they are right in the sense of like there's what can you do once someone accuses you and once it's out there and especially once it's out there in this public way and guess what? It's not just even there's also your Student who you did? I don't remember there was some inappropriateness for sure. But like you remember he went in on this girl if he was like you suck as a writer, whatever and I remember he and he was going through a tough time. We're not excusing that I'm not excusing his behavior. But also like she would play a little more sensitive to it at that time. But you know, he Joyce is right in the sense of like you just got to you got to fix it. You can't just be like I didn't do this whatever because then you're discounting what she says she feels and you can't do that. And I can't remember if it was them or if it was someone else maybe his friend area that said that the court of appeal public opinion has more weight than the actual court of law. She said like something like unfortunately, the court of public opinion is going to weigh in more on this than its getting then it's going to be you know, legitimate. This most likely isn't going to turn into like a criminal case, right but this very much so affects your book and you're moving in on the tribe in this and we see this in and what I like about this particular episode, General I'm like we talked about the me to move it that was mentioned but it's things that we've see this happening play out in real time where the court of public opinion is. Definitely you get caught up in that and they will be the judge jury and executioner. So to speak before you even go to a trial if you end up getting a criminal or we goes the court at all. And so that's why they were really talking to him about like this is the things that you say regardless of what really happened. This is how you need to handle it to protect your image. Yeah. I feel like Like the worst thing that he could have done was going to Petra. Oh one hot underrated. What are you doing? My bro? I was surprised that these professionals suggested that I'm like, he's already made a statement. It doesn't to me, even though you know, it wasn't he did say no, this did not happen but like that leave that more up to interpretation then you going back and now you have all of this terrible stuff. I was like you never go back and try to clarify because guess what? It's going to be and like they suggested it's not like they were like, this is great. But also know that's the last thing you tell them to do because now it's he said no and then he came back and he's like well we did KISS was one problem. No looks way more awful for him. I think he should have definitely gone with Joyce to take a meeting with Petra and to temper it that way and not saying anything over him going alone. And oh, yeah, just because I think in these situations he really doesn't know. Know how to censor himself and he does not know how to to react in the appropriate ways to convey what he actually wants to be conveying. And so I think he needs someone like a Joyce who can Channel some of his energy and not totally debilitate the situation because when he goes in alone, it's debilitating. No has definitely someone who's very book smart, but he wears his heart on his sleeve. Yeah, very impulsive exactly. I am trapped. He's very impulsive good call. She's very impulsive, but he definitely wears his heart on his sleeve and he wears his emotions like like right here. Alright that and so whenever you challenge that or you you come against him, like wait a second. No, no, no and then he ends up just being flippant with his shooting ourselves in the foot and exactly both feet are done Dom bleeding came on and then the duck that Bloody foot in his mouth all of it. I don't even think he put his foot in his mouth, I think. That he put himself open to more scrutiny. So by saying, you know what just happened to happens what happens exactly and then she's like I have these facts but the question is in the fact that we you know, obviously he very quickly shut down when Petra even slightly suggested so okay this happened and this was in your book and this was fact, so what about could your ex-wife had committed suicide because of the portrayal and like that's when you know what you get is something like that but also like, you know, the article is no GE about what the article was gor at the about it so like is the only option now not to just shut it down. I don't know but yeah, the option is shut it down. He should not have gone once she said can I go on the record now? And then I was like, oh down in the record before that. It's gonna go downhill. It's gonna be down. It's going to be all bad even meets with his attorney and his attorneys like, you know, you're in trouble. Yeah, you're in major trouble and they basically try to figure out okay, how do Ooh, we attack this what do we need to do to try to save some kind of face? What is Noah do what does no-one do? Oh, let me get drunk and lit in the airport go back to LA and then go to her situation her events and ask that he can talk to her. Like that's going to be like she's gonna be like, you know, what Noah. Yes. You're right. I'm so wrong. Let me recant everything. I said, he's just I guess this is from day. It from day one. Noah has made decision bad decision after bad decision after bad decision and he continues to do that and I think that's probably what's great about him because he's real like he's a real person like yeah when you see him and remember that one scene when he has that like goofy face and he shows up at Helens house. He's like like I feel like that's that face is the quintessential no has his image for the entire Series. Yeah, like he's like, he's like, yeah. No, I like You know your you made a bad decision. You're not a bad dude per se like at his core, but he just makes bad decisions over and over again another different person because it when we were watching I was like I would have gone actually I shouldn't because I'm a little impulsive myself, but I think that he thought this obviously did not happen. Why is she saying that you know, just like he explained to his lawyer and to the public and everybody this happened ten years ago, right? This is clear why she's doing this. This did not happen Ian give you the Max and from what we know and from what we feel he's giving us the facts but she if she's coming out at this point at ten years later because she feels this way and whatever she clearly is not doing it like she's not she's not going to be convinced by you. I mean by just being like what are you doing? Ryan? Daughters are going to ruin my life. She's gonna be like, well, sorry just like she did and then he has as soon as he reached for her arm. I was like, oh game over right there that because now it doesn't even matter if it because we see people here you want it doesn't even matter if you can hear it or if you have any sound the only screen grab is going to be this. Yeah exam going at him reaching for this big man. She's very tiny. Would you put a small woman's arm and I'm like you just put the final piece of dirt on Your Grave right there. Yeah, and I don't want them to do that to Noah, right? I don't want this to happen. But I feel like the writers just what they want. I feel like he's going to have a hey he's going to have we got three episodes left. Yeah. I feel like I don't think That they're going to leave us hanging and keeping him in the dirt. I think he's gonna have some Redemptive quality and I feel like and I said this before Not tooting my own horn, but I think it's going to be with Helen. I think Helen is going to be the Savior. I think Helen is going to make some statements for this Vanity Fair article that are going to completely I don't know exonerate him on some level or she's going to make some very very pressing. Statements that will make everyone go huh, especially because she's the woman that he had an affair right or that his most successful book is about not it said it's about her but like she is the very obvious like sad character in the story and in this show, but I think that you know, the like thinking back on it Helen is you know, I'm talking about her not protecting people and I'm like, I feel like Helens gonna want to protect him because of what he did for her. You know, he obviously did terrible. Things but this is the first time and I think that we are seeing Noah or hearing. No, I should say audibly say I went to jail for 3 years for a crime. I didn't commit we haven't heard him say that in a really long time. So why are we hearing that because they want us to remember that they want us to remember. Why would Helen have a reason to protect him and whatever I feel like and and you make a great point because we haven't heard him say that and I feel like Helen before this series is over. She's going to say that herself. She's going to come to grips with that whether it's something horribly. Yes, whether it's something fictions early whether it's something verbally or something that she does with her, you know Family action. Oh that no one went to jail for her like because I feel like we as viewers forget that like he spent three years in jail, not me. But okay. Yes sure. We as viewers except Allison Dean. Yes, all the rest of us. We forget that I know I did ramus like I mean not I Bird but it's like I forget I'm like wait a second when he said it I was like yo, he did go to prison for three years for her. Yeah. I wanted my Brendan Fraser. I remember we've been talking about this in multiple episodes. He's redeemed not fun. I don't take away what he did. He's doesn't mess up stuff. Yes, when you if you got a gel from state is frightened. Are you didn't commit he's paid his forgiveness. He's paying the price. He just needs to stop doing idiotic things and that's the thing. That was his. Lawyer that he went to by the way to went to his publisher first and then he went to his lawyer right people are saying maybe he didn't but that was his lawyer. That's the divorce lawyer. That was it was Helens and then it was also her and her attorney when they the the court case is going on before the murder right? Because even they even brought that up. Yeah, you know, he said like he's like, yeah, that was great. Let's get into special segment. Yeah. All right, we're gonna do our special swing segment what not to do dear Lord. There are a whole lot of things of what What to do in this episode but Lim what is going to be yours for tonight so many there so that they're all of regaining to Noah. I would say definitely which we touched on but him going to meet in to try to smooth things over I knew right away, especially when he's drinking in the airport and he's like, you know you since that whole message. Yeah, like write them in there like that's automatically strike one bad and then he had strike. Him by the time it was all over. Yeah. Well, I definitely agree with Lem. That one was catastrophically bad. I'm going to have to go though with leaving a baby on a kitchen counter. Even for a moment I think is just whenever I mean it's all bad. So horrified me. I am going you know, there are there really are just so many from this episode, but I'm going to say I think the biggest mistake know what could have made is going back to Petra after because it just I think it opened him up to a lot more now. It's clear that you know, maybe he has a little more information but just like his attorney was trying to suggest they could hire a private investigator. He says he can't afford it. But like you figure it out do whatever you can I don't think what his attorney was saying as far as disparaging Eden that just comes off even worse. But I do think that him going going there. It opened x y z box that was kept nice and tucked in. And so now we have it's a lot worse for sure. Yeah. All right. Well, let's get into predictions real quickly AfterBuzz TV predictions. So we have three episodes left. We did finally because we were like really looking to be a two-episode to our situation what's going on, but we know for sure it was said there as long as well. He is correct. Right. Now we heard it on the actual yesterday said they said so they can perhaps it's official. Yes, three more episodes a lot needs to happen. And I think we said this like we're watching this we didn't get any Joanie. Nope this particular episode and we were kind of talking I believe she's definitely coming. I'll just get my episode of my prediction. I believe she's definitely we're going to see more of her because I feel like it wasn't final. Yeah. We need to tie the last thing we do and also what me and April were talking about about that being Hello friend Yeah, Eddie. Yes, Eddie being we think EJ is actually Eddie. Yes, and he's baby Eddie baby Eddie. EJ that Tony is with right. Now. We think Eddie and a lot of people in our comments and on YouTube and everywhere have thought the same thing and they've been shouting it out. So we agree with that prediction, right? Yeah that came up last week when you are my giant and Morocco we were talking about this. Hilarious but yes, I was rocking it. So I feel like we're definitely going to see Johnny and I and I think as I said earlier that we're going to see Helen is going to vindicate. Mr. Noah because she needs to and I think that needs to happen before this series is over and I think Sasha man is about to be done. I think so too as he should because he's trash hi Sasha. So I'm gonna totally Echo Lem statement that Helen is going to vindicate. Noah and not because she needs to per se I think she wants to Lem. I think she's at the point where the wheels are turning and you know Stacy making Commons and him going to bat with Whitney for the wedding prep. Just all of it. I think she's really thinking a lot of stuff things are coming full circle for her. So that's a big I think she's gonna kind of save the day as it relates to this Vanity Fair situation. I concur I I'm going to steal this prediction technically from our chat and from our comments on the past few weeks on YouTube. I think that Sasha man is slightly behind if I don't think it's fully I think he has something to do with the Eden allegations coming out. Oh my God, three episodes ago whenever they were doing the house party that Helen went to and Eden approaches. Yes. Yes, how do you want to get Sasha man? You know Sasha man does like Noah, I think he's behind it and somehow and that is going to be the death of Sasha man right there once home to find out and that's going to be yeah. Yeah. That is great. Oh my God, right Hat knows that I totally agree with that though. I also think we're completely on the same page. I think Helen is going to vindicate Noah because she wants to Actually, we see in the preview where she says, you know, you got Noah's name removed from that. She says that to Sasha from the movie because I'm sure he was like he has these allegations his name shouldn't be involved. Otherwise going to be a flop whatever no boys. Um, I think he has a lot of involvement and I definitely think she's gonna vindicate I do think we will see more of Joanie. I don't know what else they're going to do with her character, but I am very excited to see it. I think if nothing else to expose ejb, maybe Eddie. Yeah. I like to rest. Wow, well that I was not expecting but that I like that I love that prediction and I totally concur. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen that has been our show in the thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you everyone in the live chat think you're an engineer for the amazing sound effects of on this down as always. I've been your host Lynn gonzalvez, and you can find me everywhere at live Gonzalez. I'm Allison Dean. You can find me everywhere at the Allison Dean and I Listen, and you can find me everywhere a table with some hand. Yeah, three more episodes left. Make sure you keep staying tuned because it's going to continue going down. Oh, yeah. Peace out. Our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz TV.com and check out our lineup buzz you later. 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