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I am so excited for you to hear this interview that we did. She is hilarious. Nothing was off-limits and it was great to hear her story and we laughed a lot. So I hope you enjoy this episode. I'm Superwoman. So I'm going to pinch myself because I'm sitting with the Katie Couric right now. I'm sitting with the Rebecca Minkoff. So well, I think it's different. I think I grew up watching you. I know I hate when people say that well, I don't know. We mind but but a lot of times people my own age will say I grew up watching you. I'm like, wait a second. You didn't I are the same age. It makes them feel better, but that's okay and but it's actually really really sweet Rebecca because now especially young women in their 20s. They came come up to me all the time and say you were such an important part of my childhood totally, you know, my mom and I watched you every morning it was a way for us to bond. Yeah, and it's really sweet because one of the reasons I wouldn't say the primary reason but an important reason I got into television news as I moved, you know up. The ladder was that I wanted to make sure that I was a strong female role model. Yeah, and the fact that now young women in their 20s and sometimes 30s, but usually in their 20s say that I influenced who they felt they were and who they could be in the world is so gratifying. And I really didn't let you even do your introduction. So I'm sorry, that's fine. I don't have I don't have a pre-planned anything. Okay, so there's not going to be an intern. Okay good. Sorry. I'm just like no, but what I think you influenced me and that you asked questions that would like make my stomach cringe sometimes as you know, and that shows a fearlessness and in bravery and some when you when growing up when I would ask for things that seem scary. I'm like if Katie can ask that question to him on National Television, you know, I think that you know Ray's I think that's a little bit easier, you know, I was thinking about that the other day because I'm writing a book about my life. So I'm thinking about like different experiences. I had and sometimes I look back and I do wonder where did I get the chutzpa right where the Moxie as my dad would always say that I had Moxie which I love that word to kind of go there with certain people and to you know, speak truth to power and all that stuff and I think I felt such a responsibility and obligation. Legation to ask important serious questions and to challenge people but you know it did sometimes get a little uncomfortable. Yeah, honestly and I got some pushback I was thinking about you know, when I did an interview with Condi rice and I asked her something about Russia because she had been you know, she's a Russian scholar and I remember getting pushback from the GE Executives and the NBC Executives that I had been, you know. You confrontational and that they had gotten a lot of complaints about it. You know, it's such a strange balance when you're doing a Morning Show because you have to be warm and welcoming and people have to feel comfortable, you know when they're putting on their makeup or getting dressed in the morning. Yeah, and yet we really tried to make the Today Show a very serious news show too. So it was always kind of this balance between being nice and being tough totally and I think that's a challenge. As an entrepreneur or as someone who's going out in their own business it you're constantly dealing with that least I am. Yeah, so I'd love to talk about your entrepreneurship. I think we're all familiar with your previous career, but I want to talk about your entrepreneurship. But can I ask you one question before we dive into mine you and I had coffee a couple of months ago, and I'm so so impressed and proud of you that you jumped on sort of the female founder or that you really initiated this female founder seal. Approval to let people know because it's it's so important and I think that increasingly there's such a close relationship with consumers and what they're getting from. Whomever that they want to know who's behind the curtain they want to know who they're supporting. Yeah, and who they're helping in, you know helping in business so I know your listeners probably know this, but can you just breathe? KS turned into the interview. I would she take it on because I'm so proud of you and and just why you got this idea and then I'm not gonna ask you any more questions after that. Okay, fine. I'll answer. I'll answer your question. I started it because I felt like there was no way for a consumer to support a female found a company or even know how or even know if it was or even know if it was like we don't all have our names as our companies and there's amazing, you know companies that out their health aid kombucha. I talk about them all the time. I'm away luggage, you know these big huge brands that were founded by women. And so I think it was a way for consumers to support it and not just have us all talked Ad nauseam about if 20 more women in c-suite positions were all paid twenty million dollars. They pay Gap would would equal out right as they were using an average. So this would really be about a Grassroots support of women and let's make that 80 cents a dollar that way. That's so great. And how many and so you basically have a Seal that people use to indicate and to basically communicate a has that been effective and B how many female founder companies have you embraced or have have I guess subscribe to this. How is that out of support members? We have over 5,000 at this point and how two and a half million products to date. That is so awesome. Yeah, and then probably by the end of this year, I'll be on over like three and a half million products because once it's on you know on all my packaging for instance, it's however many Cell that you see it or Lola tampons or who else is using it? So cool. Yeah, and we have bigger people planned ha ha take that domination. I think I had too much coffee. By the way God. I wish I had that much coffee. So what's happening in your life? Let's just start there. You are becoming truly you're going back to start up days. I am it's so crazy, but it's really fun. Can I ask you what about it, you know. No, you left or you you know, you stop doing your day-to-day and were you bored or you felt like you want to do something totally different and you said it's kind of a natural evolution of my career. Okay, because I worked in I started out at ABC then CNN that I worked in local news then Tim Russert cut Sami chasing marionberry around when he was mayor of Washington and involved in some pretty shady things and asked me to be the deputy Pentagon correspondent from that. I went to The Today Show. Did that 15 years went to CVS did that five years did a syndicated talk show for two years which was challenging but fun and then I went to Yahoo, because I'm actually really interested. I try to take the big picture look at media and I see how it's changing and instead of kind of holding on to a traditional the way it's done traditionally and just staying and doing what I'm doing. I've always tried to oh evolve and learn and kind of explore different things and take risks. So I worked at Yahoo for five years when they hired Bobby Brown and David Pogue and all these other names because they wanted to create original content. But the problem was I don't think they really understood original content because their tech company right and they I don't think that was sort of where their head was at. So I enjoyed my time there. We had a great team and I did some really interesting things, but it wasn't a place. That I don't think cared about content creation that much they were really, you know, the pipes they didn't want to be the stuff going through the pipes, but they had some pretty significant pipes and I think they could have built something really really exciting and impressive but that just wasn't where they were at at that point. So when I was done with Yahoo, I did a six-hour series for National Geographic exploring big social issues, like political correctness on college campuses Confederate statues what it's like to Be a Muslim in America white anxiety white working-class anxiety gender and equality in Hollywood and Silicon Valley and I love doing that but it was an enormous amount of traveling and a very ambitious project. So when I was done with that I thought hmm, what can I do now? And I thought well, I'd like to use everything I've learned professionally and I'd like to be my own boss pick my own projects, but How do I make that work? So I started wait for it Katie Couric media how original I'm taking suggestions to change the name of the company, but everyone said to me, you know, people know who you are. So you should take advantage of that but I just feel sort of like, oh really, but Moxie was taken damn it because that would have been the perfect name because that's what my dad used to always tell me I had but I started it about a year ago and my husband John said the only way I'm ever going to see you as if I I work with you. Wow, so I thought oh, that's probably true because I really love to work. I just said I like being productive. Yeah, and so John thank goodness because he is so smart. He was a partner of Brown Brothers Harriman and he's really a really smart businessman. So he started the company with me and it handles a lot of the business side of the company and you know, he writes letters to You know to investors and we really mostly self-financed but we have some sort of friends and family investors and Bill konigsberg who started Horizon media is a personal investor. And so basically in a nutshell we've hired about I think 17 people now wow, and we work out of horizon media and I'm working with brands that care about the world I think in a nutshell because Purpose Driven brands are our sort of required in many ways today for a couple of reasons externally facing consumers care about that Ergo what you're doing? Yeah, and they want to support brands that they believe have their heart in the right place. Meanwhile employees specifically Millennials want to work for companies that they feel have a higher purpose that it's not just about selling dishwasher soap or shampoo. Pill it's about this is totally making the world a better place. Yeah, so as a result and then this Edelman trust barometer, which I often cites shows 78 percent of employees expect their CEOs to take a position on thorny social issues. So what what is happening at the simultaneously is people are losing faith and the government and media sadly and in sort of Institutions and companies are actually filling the void. So I thought I Of to tell stories. I like to tackle big important issues. I like to educate people and it's a natural thing for me. That's what I've done my whole career. How can I work with these companies be editorially independent? I'm not Shilling for for a blank God for that, you know, and how can I really tackle? Some of the issues they care about whether its environmental sustainability or gender equality or you know Criminal Justice Reform or Power of mentorship all these things that I think are really important. I think people are craving that kind of information. I just did an interview with John Legend on how do you raise a boy to be a good man to respect women to share the workload at home? And so I interviewed John about it because he was raised in large part by his dad when his mom ran into some trouble with drugs and the law and was absent for a chunk of his child. Hood and what values did his dad in part on him? And actually it was his mom who really taught her kids to be independent and how to do their own laundry. How do you know take care of themselves? So naturally he and Chrissy have a very egalitarian relationship. Now, of course, you know, I'm sure they have a lot of help but just his you know, his his lens is through equality at home and a lot of respect of what she does and what she brings to the table so In this era of me too, which is so important. How do we also help men along and not make them feel totally marginalized and and demonized as a result of a really important movement that's going on agreed. I was at a meeting last week where someone's like maybe we can have a shame scale on companies that are not equal and I was like, no that I don't think the shame scales going to work. Yeah, you know make people around let's like help people out and give them a chance give them a warning. Earning right now and also give them support and maybe give them guidance and I'm on The Advisory Board of an organization called see her which is I think 80 companies that are devoted to gender equality and want to improve the way girls and women are portrayed in the media. Yep, and their philosophy is we don't embarrass or shame anyone we want to support people. We want to give positive feedback for the people who are doing right and help them along. So I think you're right, but they're look I mean there's How many things to talk about I am terms of you know, I want to I'm doing a series on mentors and young women who can look to Trailblazers who really inspired them in various Fields. So we're doing that with with Proctor and Gamble and Olay specifically and you know, we're doing I did a series called getting there and that was profiling like bows Mo st. John and Bethenny Frankel and Eva Chen and just trying to understand their career paths to inspire other young women. Yeah, and I did something with sk2 where I went to Asia to talk about the changing role of marriage. There's a lot of marriage pressure particularly in Asian countries, and this new generation of young women in I went to South Korea, Japan and China are rejecting that they're saying we're not looking for someone to complete us. We want to complete ourselves first. And if we're not married by 30, you may call us a leftover, but we're happy with who we are. So it just really interesting kind of anthropological sociological trends that they examine and and it's basically women should control their own destiny. Totally. What's been an unexpected challenge being your own boss and starting from scratch. I think finding great people. Yes is is hard, you know, I interviewed Ina for that after and getting their series and I thought she she's she was interesting. I said, what advice would you have? I think I must have asked her about hiring or what and she said I hire happy people because you can teach someone about cheese, but you can't teach them to be happy. It's so true. I used to try and make everyone happy in my office. I would have like office hours therapy. Come cry with me or whatever. Come cry with me. Let's cry. Let's cry away and I was like, I Make everybody happy they're not if they're not personally fulfilled. They'll be miserable at the office whether well, no matter what we do no matter how many days off or whatever and that was like freeing to be like, you're not a happy person. You're going to bring that unhappiness here, right? And I think you know, I mean listen what is happy like Prince Charles said what is love I mean, but I do think you want to find people who have positive energy totally a real go for an attitude who are willing to stay who you know, you can tell when One really likes what they're doing. Yeah, and you know that I think that's been a little bit of a challenge but I have a great group of people we've assembled and so I think I think I've learned a lot in that process. You know, the company's just a year old. So it's not like we've been around that much but I would say that I would also say, you know, I'm the kind of person Rebecca who says yes to everything and I get so excited. So I have a million. In irons in the fire and I think sometimes trying to do too much is is really challenging and I had lunch with the Warby Parker guys, and they said focus on one thing. Yeah, but of course, I'm focused on a thousand things, but I'm there. I am I am trying though really hard. We have a newsletter called wake-up call that is p in people's and box every morning and we tie both curate the news make it sort of understandable for people. And then we do original content. In fact, I need to interview you for like Monday motivation. We talked to female Founders Heidi Zach from third love is featured today. And then we have an inspiring story at the end. It's sponsored by Sleep Number and we do stories about you know, sleep and all that. So how do you sign up for it? You just well, we have a really easy way. You can dial four seven four seven four seven text it and then just right Katie and then it's the sign up right there. You go to my Instagram. I'm total Instagram freak and you can sign up there as well. But we have a team doing that. So that's one aspect and Ally Financial is one of our sponsors. We have all these founding sponsors rally Health. P&G is a I have a very close relationship with PNG and sleep number and we're talking to a lot of other companies and we're doing digital series for them. I'm working on a couple of documentaries and I do a lot of speaking engagements. So I really get Get to pick and choose what I'm doing and I think the newsletter satisfies my desire to kind of have that daily presence in people's lives, which I used to have for so long on television totally. So right before we started recording we were talking about getting older. Yeah, and you posted something recently that got a lot of comments. Yeah. It was sort of in response to that face app right where people were making themselves older which I thought was humanly. Nice and kind of fun to see and you know, I'm 62 and basically I was saying it's really the last ISM that is socially acceptable right? I mean sexism racism, you know homophobia, which is an ism but it's a you know Ayah. Yeah. I posted this picture and I said, hey, I'm 62. I'm fine with it. I'm proud of the age. I am what I've learned how I'm living my life. My life and I feel that I have as much energy as I had when I was 38. So I think it was just basically a reality check for people who you know, sometimes by the way, I do get bummed out like I'm like shit. I'm on the back nine and that really sucks because I love what I do. I love my life. I mean all that stuff. I love my kids and I have the best husband and my friends and my work. So you're like, wow, you know, it is a little weird. When you feel like there's a lot of stuff in your rear-view mirror, right? But you know, I also have a husband who died at 42 and a sister who died at 54 and I also think listen we are so lucky to age and I say 60 is the new 60, right? It's not the new 30. It's Embrace who you are how old you are what you're doing stay engaged and you know. No, I just feel like we need to sort of recalibrate the way we look at older people. For example, people used to always say to me your dad is so cute. And they sort of infantilize older people sometimes and I said my dad isn't cute. My dad is brilliant and accomplished and erudite and he's not cute and it's amazing how much we of the vernacular toward aging is sort of Along those lines. I did a podcast. I'm relaunching my podcast in the fall and I did a podcast on ageism and it's just so interesting to look at it and and talk about it my podcast I think is going to be really good call. It's called not Katie crying. It's called next question. I love that and you're interviewing all everything like yeah. So this time I did one with my good friend Brian Goldsmith who lives in La so he's not going to be doing it. With me this time, although I might have him as a special guest because he's a political genius. He's so smart and I adore him but it's really this time. I think that the connective tissue for the last podcast. I mean one day we'd be interviewing Busy Philipps about her book and the next week. We'd be interviewing Frank Luntz about the election. I mean, it was sort of all over the place which I think some people really like and I liked but this time we're doing Issues, I know it sounds boring when you're like, ah, what do you mean big issues? For example, we're doing pornography and how it's shaping young men and leading to unwanted or violent sex with women because it's so ubiquitous and so accessible that you just have to Google something and you will have hardcore porn which more often than not is showing a lot of violence towards women. Women choking and it's really I mean this podcast is so graphic. I hope people can handle it but it's there was a survey that showed a quarter of American women are afraid during sex. Wow. So we kind of look at that and what can we do about it? And so I'd like to I like to take a closer look at things that are happening because our our society is transforming so quickly with technology and I think sometimes For not realizing the impact of these seismic shifts until much later. Yeah. I just watched the great hack and the end. Yeah, like I was saying will never have an or a democracy a true democracy ever again and that scared the you know, what atomy? I should I I should add to because we swear on here, but you know, that's such a good documentary. I went to it. I was at can working because of this new company I have and I went to a screening and some friends of mine did that documentary and You know, we're so complacent and what we give up in terms of our privacy for convenience. I think it's so much the norm that people don't even think about it, but I thought they did a really good job. I wish they had gone a little bit more into the whole Julian Assange. Yeah, and how that impacted the election. It's really more about just what happens right with your information. Yeah, and it's so needed because I think people don't think about it. Yeah, it made me want to get a flip phone. Or like the but the Bumblebee phone, you know the full the phone for quote unquote older people. It's like the letters are exaggerated. And that's all there is like it really is. Like people have trouble seeing can see these huge numbers and that's all there is. Wow. Yeah. I may have to get one of those but I do think I mean don't you notice you'll be talking about someone. I know that there's not somebody listening on the other end, but doesn't it feel like it sometimes I'll see I'll be talking about some Something or I'll be talking about doing a story with someone and all of a sudden their Instagram posed out pops up and I'm like what the hell? Yeah, not to scare everybody. But my friend was in HR at a company that was like you buy this video game console when you turn it on. There's people in China that are transcribing everything you say and do and I was like cool. We're definitely being listened to I don't have that video game console. I know but still I mean, it's messed up it it I know both of us, I think I recommend the great hack because it's really it's very eye-opening and they did a good job because it's not the easiest thing to illustrate in a film. I do want to also talk about you mentioned your husband passed when he was 42 and you were how old at the time 41 and you had two young daughters 6 & 2 holy shit. Yeah. Can you talk about emerging from that like the the who you contacted for strength or where you found that and then I know you started a charity based on that. Yeah. I'll talk a little bit about that. That sure gosh. Sorry. Who did I who did eye contact for strength or where did everyone I mean? I think I had J came from a big close family. He was one of seven big Irish Catholic. My family is very close. So my parents were incredible Jays parents and siblings and my siblings were awesome and supportive. You know, I think I had I have really really good friends who have been my friends for a very long time growing up and College and early days of my career. So I'm really lucky that way and you know, it was hell. What can I say? It was just horrendous, you know, you just you somehow get through it. I have a really good friend who just lost her husband in a car accident and that happened in a matter of minutes. And you know, I was we were talking about losing someone after a long illness versus you know in an instant violent way. Way and both are terrible and both have their own challenges obviously, but you know Jay was sick for nine months and that was really really really really hard. Yeah, and I'm writing a lot about this now and about how I dealt with it and how he dealt with it and how I wish I had dealt with it and not really having a conversation about the fact that he might die. Like we never really went there. Wow, and for a whole host Of reasons that now I really regret. I don't think it would have changed anything but I don't know it was sort of always the elephant in the room, right? So after he died, I started doing a lot of work with colon cancer awareness and did that colonoscopy on television and Anna raise money to support colon cancer research because the drug Jay went on had been used since the 1950s and there had been really very little nude. Drugs developed for metastatic colon cancer because he was staged for when he was diagnosed. It was all over his liver. So I did that and and that was I think healing and cathartic in some ways because you know, you feel so powerless if anybody listening has been in this situation when someone they deeply love is sick and they're a can-do person, you know Problem Solver. It doesn't matter really right, you know and to Feel powerless is really hard. So I think to take some of that power back and try to help other people empowering them to get screened so they wouldn't have to go through this was I think really really helpful for me and then eventually I started an organization with eight other women called Stand Up to cancer was Sherry Lansing and Laura ziskin who has since passed away from breast cancer and Lisa Paulsen from the entertainment industry industry foundation and a number of other room. Markable women in marketing and PR and we said this isn't working. You know, we have all these huge events for a tsunami and for 9/11 as we should but a person dies every minute of cancer and yet we need we need to support the scientists and put this on the front burner. So we started stand up to cancer and we've raised over 600 million dollars for research and He's dream teams where the scientist collaborate said of compete and they share their information and their wisdom and their clinical trials and it's just now they're we've contributed to the FDA approval of six new cancer drugs. So I think I think it's making a difference and it's just a way of saying, you know, we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore. And we want to we want to put our foot on the gas pedal and we want to come up with better treatments that will help. Help people manage their cancer. Is it like a chronic disease or hopefully at some point cure it all together. Wow, that's amazing. Leave it to eight angry women you cited you right, right. Yeah Hell hath no fury like women who are pissed off about cancer research. So, how do I it's really quite remarkable and it makes me think of that Margaret Mead quote, which I always bought never doubt the ability of a few concerned citizen to change the world indeed. It's the only thing That ever has that's true and to build something from scratch and to really support these heroes in cancer research. You know, it's really I'm very very proud of that accomplishment. That's amazing. Well, thank you. You're welcome for doing that. I have two questions. I like to ask all my guests one thing we would be surprised to know about you personal professional. Hmm. I sometimes say I'm scared of zombies, but I've seen one before. Or I play the piano by ear, but a lot of what I follow me on Instagram know that okay, so I play everything in the key of C and I've always been able to do it and it's a really weird kind of idiot savant thing that's amazing to sit down and figure out I mean if it has a lot of sharps or flats, ir and it's really complicated Melody it's hard for me to do but most songs. I can really just figure out it's this really weird like I hear it in my brain and it just kind of Trance transfers into my hands. Amazing. I took piano for 10 years, but I still really mostly just sit down and play by ear. And how about this? I'm a really big slob. No way. Yes. I'm like pigpen. I mean he follows me around see and dirty though. No, I'm not dirty. You're just messing. I'm just messy I am not Saturday. I'm a bi-racial him dirty. But I mean, I just he says the tornado has arrived. I mean it takes me about a half an hour to completely have a hotel. I'll room with my stuff scattered all over the place. So I'm very very messy. That's a good one. I am to it's a problem is your husband neat. No, he's also messy. That's bad. My husband's neat. Oh, both of my husband's were pretty neat. Thank God who I wish I had a yeah, I don't know. I feel like maybe then I had been I would have to get my shit together. If I had a neat husband. Yeah. Now we're just like both we rely on our Nanny just keep the household together. What is a piece of advice that's been extraordinary? Only helpful to you or that you've come up with on your own that you'd like to give forth. I would like to give forth this advice their listeners. I would say that I would say, you know, especially women want to be light and their Pleasers and you know, I just think the faster you realize that not everyone is going to like you the better off you'll be and I think for me as the youngest child in someone who I found Tony for who kind of wanted to be popular popular remember that you can sing to front? No, I can't really but I'm in a singing mood it said those three cups of coffee, but I think that you know, you want to be a nice person and kind of people but you know, you're not going to be every everybody's Jam as they say and that's okay. Yeah, you know, and I also think in this day and age without offending. In people you you know, I'm not into the outrage machine and this constant, you know people getting affirmation instead of information. We didn't even talk about the news media, which maybe we'll do part do this podcast apart dude. Yeah. Sure. Okay when someone doesn't show up call me and say oh my God Katie you remember you told me healthasyst her out, but I think that sometimes you know, you just have to stand up for what you believe, but I also think you have to do it with An open heart and gentle persuasion and you have to listen to other people and value their opinion or at least hear them and I think that's part of the problem and our society. Nobody is talking to each other or listening or having a reasonable conversation. It's also highly charged. Yeah, and it's so hard to do but to say tell me why you feel that way and you know does this is what bothers me? Does that bother you? You know, I just think That this bifurcation of the culture, you know, I think exacerbated by the media landscape is really is really a sad turn of events for our country. Totally. Wow. Great day. Is there anything else we can talk about before we end on that or can we just tell me something you're excited about well my daughters getting married. Read, okay. That's very exciting. I'm really excited. I've two great girls. I'm so proud of them. You know, why because they're nice. That's awesome. They're they're really nice grounded girls and care about the world around them and their my life and then I have an incredible step daughter named Ali and then I have a incredible step son named Henry. So it's so nice, you know, John's parents are Alive and I love them madly hervey is the ski instructor in Aspen. I remember you told me about yeah and Paula is this super intellectually exhausting sophisticated really curious about the world beautiful woman. So I feel so happy that I have inherited this extraordinary family. It's so nice, but getting back to Ellie. She's getting married next summer, and I'm just so happy for her. We're going to go wedding-gown shopping. Andres whatever you call them and it's just going to be really really fun. We're having a little engagement party for Mark her fiancé his family and our family out east next Saturday night. I don't know when this runs but it's just gonna be it's just nice and it's you know, I love weddings because they're such happy occasion. Yeah, I love weddings and graduations totally, you know, because it's really important everyone. To celebrate the good things and to really take stock and to say wow. This is such a happy event and I don't know really really soak it in because there's so much to worry about and ringing, you know, wring your hands over. So I'm really trying to appreciate and accentuate the positive now that you can take with you on your day. Thank you. Thanks Rebecca do this for our son being with you, too. That was Katie Couric. I hope you enjoyed it. She said she wants round two. So please do email in any questions or anything you want to know that I didn't ask her today's review is from shopping and flats lifting each other up before I started purposely listening to podcasts of women in business. I had no idea that there were actually women who lifted each other up. Unfortunately. I'm in a work environment where the girl drama is similar to The High School drama that I thought I was done with after graduation listening to your podcast has showed me that there are in fact people who want to to empower other women instead of intentionally bringing them down. Thank you for this shopping and flats. You are more than welcome. Thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed this episode as much as I did recording it.
 This episode is in partnership with SAP SuccessFactors. She’s self-described as “messy” and can play the piano by ear – as long as it’s in the key of C. No, we’re not talking about Katy Perry – Katie Couric is here, she’s caffeinated, and she’s ready to sing for you! A household name for decades, it only makes sense that after years in broadcast news, Katie has finally taken the entrepreneurial plunge and started her own media company. Excited to tackle controversial issues and educate the public, Katie is taking the reigns as her own boss to share timely stories in her uniquely sympathetic, yet fearless voice. One of the greatest interviewers of our time, Katie reflects upon the fact that it is the balance between being kind and being tough that drove her career to its success. Now in a new era, Katie continues to inspire women of all ages to ask questions, be fearless, and learn to move gracefully through moments of discomfort. Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. Big Ideas    The value in bringing positive energy to the workplace. [15:01]  Ageism as being socially acceptable, and in contrast, the beauty and gifts inherent in aging. [18:26]   The importance of true listening and fruitful communication. [33:05]   ---   Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/superwomen/support 