Welcome to the Chinese medicine. Anson Chinese medicine practitioner. Hi everyone. Welcome back to the Chinese medicine podcast and today on the channel. I'm joined with Jessica candy who is a Chinese medicine practitioner and an expert in the area of Five Element acupuncture. So welcome Jessica. Thank you. So just because from the UK, which is recently come to Australia. And so today we're going to talk about what's the difference between five-element acupuncture and just you stock Standard General everyday kind of acupuncture. So maybe Just going to tell us a little bit about that because a lot of our viewers might know what people in what the hell is a Five Element. So yeah, I mean that's really true. It's quite big in the UK and in the US as well those schools the teacher in both those places, but it is taught in Australia and I think I can question of the day and I think I might be the first person practicing I've done when I've punched in Perth. That's pretty great. Yeah, and and so I'm trying to both have element and TCM which is the stylus more broadly practiced here. I use them both is fantastic to have the toolbox of the two, but the thing that's really special about five element is it really looks at you the patient as an individual a lot of depth and obviously that is a strength of Chinese medicine in general and the strength of TCM, but fundamental practice takes it to a kind of deeper level and really looks Basically, it's kind of in pursuit of this question of not just how are you and like what's wrong with you as you know today, but also like who are you I fundamentally constitutionally, what is your what are your core issues your core strengths and it's this beautiful model with the five elements of water wood fire earth and metal and each one of those and the model is saying that we each have a primary constitutional resonance in one of those and that drives it. Gives the Tendencies toward certain types of health and balances but it was a gives us strength and the things that people find special about us. And so the Five Element diagnostic process is all about working out which one of those each person is has greater resonance in and the the benefit of it is in Chinese medicine. There's this concept of the band that how the root when the branch Okay, and like if you treat in the bed, you're treating the root you're going to get this kind of beautiful blossoming of the whole organism versus kind of hacking around in the branches and the color, you know, where you might make an impact but not in quite such a profound way. And so that to try and cheat constitutionally trying to get to the kind of the root of the root of the person deep down in the cause of yeah, what's going on? Yeah. Okay, so that sounds like it might have a big It's like a correlation between month psychology psychological understanding of our body. Yeah, Leti types. Yeah, but that's the other certainly true the way that China is might have used the body doesn't feel the body and the mind and the emotions and the spirit. There's like a whole difference bunch of separate things. If it has this kind of really integrated understanding of how the mind and the body moved together. And I mean, I think I think Chinese medicine in general is very interested in how a person is feeling and themselves as well. Laughs like physical problems and the relationship between this thing. But again Five Element takes that to a kind of kind of further extent and is very interested in kind of how you know have balance the person's feeling how much they're out of kilter a whole different sort of ways in their mind their emotions as well as their body and then it also when it comes to treatment as you know, Chinese medicine doesn't think what I'm going to treat This time and get your psychologist tomorrow for the mind, you know that it doesn't the fact that using physical intervention with the needles with the acupuncture isn't doesn't suggest really treating the body aiming very much a treat them the the body the spirit the mind or one site pets and as a whole yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what about if a patient comes to you with? Like they have a bit of both. I have like semental stuff going on and they have like some physical stuff going on, you know, you can can both of those things to be addressed at once or do you have to dress different things at different times? Because I know but it's very much tends to be about addressing things not exactly as a whole but sometimes whether it's a kind of anxiety and fatigue or anxiety and back pain that Western medicine might see as I said Chinese medicines quite inclined to seeing patterns within that and those patterns are like less of the physical stuff. And that's the that's the mental stuff. They're like, okay. This is one grouping that the you know, the tradition from the thousands of years worth of wisdom says this will tend to happen together. And so when you treat you and certainly the process of privatization and vandalizing kind of what's going on in the person overall, what's you know, what's important? What's underlying what, you know even choosing where to intervene but Very much people don't necessarily think to mention stuff. I asked them a lot of questions. I understand what I deal with a lot of questions later and having full of little epic form before they come in first place because I don't want to miss information because people often have no idea the things that I function can help with. Yeah, and they mean one very common understanding is that it's great for musculoskeletal problems. And obviously, it's well known for that. But that's like just the smallest part of her. Just going to start to help the tip of the ice. And so so people don't think to describe some of the ways in which they're not feeling great. Unless you ask the question and certainly, you know, different interests practice and really diverse range of ways. I think people tend to be drawn to the practitioner who is really well suited to what they need and certainly the style I practice with involves up spending quite a lot of time with people and really making sure that I'm not missing anything that's happening with them. It might be a bit more talking your style of Chinese medicine than maybe some other styles. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I mean I took about putting the patient at the heart of the treatment and I think the only ones like not doing that but it's like taking out to you know, really kind of optimal sort of point to make sure that Like the person is really getting the ideal treatment for their and and life literally for them, you know as they have a cow bone would take maybe some people are interested to let me hear that question mark out if it's is it the same as going 40 cm practitioner well consultation total compensation. Yeah, and I think it's not like there is some extend out how it is the unfortunate approaches that but I'd I would tend to ask people to line up to 90 minutes for their first appointment and which is long and is an investment of of People's time but that investment is in the you know, the process of discovery and treatment of there will be so that about two minutes thing. Please hold diagnostic process discussion looking at the tongue from the pulses and and the first treatment and how long does the treatment take with you do father will leave us a ticket if they don't get left in and they don't always with my Amendment and then they would all be next 20 minutes and ordinarily the end. Of that as well in most cases where the government treat noodles you do a second briefer. Neatly and which is actually kind of one of the distinctive technically the distinctive features of and I tell you what I just was treating a maybe a few minutes ago and as is often the way those second brief ones actually there is such a strong sensation people tend to think they're still in if they're not actually looking and it's quite common that I might live in a world ruled only can jump up and I look at me wild. Because I think they still have been so simple but yeah, so it's normally a cheetah is very commonly a two-stage thing like that alley, so they have one lot of needling the left ear and there was the end something to just put it in and take it out very early kind of thing. Yeah. Okay. I think I mean philosophically they can be like I've heard that point of view put 20 cm that acupuncture is great for approach is like trying to harm. An eyes and clear and sort of smooth out and people who have some kind of condition of excess we would call it yet. But that terms of hot or angry or blockage of yeah blockage and that herbs can be better than for if a person needs strengthening more nourishing or and I think one of the strengths of element acupuncture is that without without using her curves. It is actually quite strong on the tonifying so little the strengthening nourishing side so much. Kind of what we're to State enabling is about it, right? I can't accept. Yeah. All right, so it's kind of a good system for people to look at if they really really want to investigate like knowing the Personality. Yeah, they are in a Chinese medicine way, maybe some patients. Like I have they kind of always had this like repetitive problems happen to them and they kind of Wonder like am I causing this is and sometimes it can be a bit of diet Bill lifestyle bit stressful who you hang around is any sort of attracting these things into your life. Life like my mom and I can punch understands that kind of yeah, you're right. Yeah. I'm very much as well. A lot of people there would be relevant myself advice and definitely possibly dietary or lifestyle but also kind of almost like logical about enemies word spiritual be kind of spiritual, you know, like, you know to what is that like I have how aligned is the life you're living whether you are it's like a question worth asking right and like, is that correct? It's summertime. You're not feeling right and like it's not like I can tell people the answers to some of those questions but problem isn't interested in raising those questions. It's a bit more towards That explicit or side of any other and so what about like maybe some of the viewers are really interested they call for different constitutions. So can you tell me a bit about how would people know if there are worse? Oh, yeah. Okay. So this is obviously it takes you a long time sometimes sometimes it's really beautiful other times. It's real process and I can even end up doing a few treatments and doing process of testing and then hearing the answer from the body and then realizing the other must not right. Let me look at this more closely think that's because people aren't living in harmony with their constitution. The factors besides our constitution cannot feel off balance. Like if it's overworked or diet or stress then something else is kind of like that clustering the place up you may want to do a treatment or two and that clears a little bit about I'll wait a second wait a second the real person image exactly like knowing just like shifted some of that stress and I would hate for you to think that you can just diagnose yourself based on what I'm about to say. Lots of people on this channel though because I'm very happy and a replacement. For a real doctor, but like its Constitution will be inclined to certain kind of health and balances but also towards certain kind of key features of character and personality. So would people suffer a lot with stress, but they also real kind of worriers. They'll stand up for what's right, you know, they're very concerned with s ethics and principles and Justice Warrior not Yeah, yeah struggle with my house Warriors, right? Yeah, well people to clarify and you know that physiologically might be inclined towards headaches towards menstrual problems towards and with irritability McDermott abilities with this is the physiological so that yeah would go stations can be kind of easy get Snappy. The Cambrian. Yeah, I was talking about the past and also they can wear themselves out looking after other people. Although actually to be fair that you know, there's more than one version of that and that brings me on to Earth Earth is the Earth and she's going to do mother in her food. And so Earth Constitution is a very nurturing sympathetic and caring kind of people of course, they can really drag themselves out by doing that and I'm going to try to do list of problems of I'm very oriented towards their food and also big thinkers the year in Chinese philosophy the thought of the kind of cognitive skills housed in the earth organs and so on the one hand everything to do with thinking and reasoning and logic and study is part of the earth energy and health institutions often really strong in that we all have those activities can really drain like there's this idea of digesting information little bit idealistic food Sofia. Studying and they're watching TV and reading books and having multiple conversations. I knew you know East comfort you smell them those collectively we can really drain your Earthen git and what else we've got fire. That isn't common. That's Happy these days and I think it's really like, that's the first thing you like. Family, but sit at a table with a female and episode even measure with you know, and tuning my faithful and like really pay attention to your food and you know, the only this is obviously ancient wisdom, but you know, almost everything that's in the ancient wisdom a slowly eventually some scientifically researched and comes and catches up with it. Yeah, that's great stuff. Like if you chew your food properly then there are enzymes that in your mouth. Extension of food, then, you know your food won't get digested properly and Chinese medicine has been saying that without without the kind of enzyme you have detail because because it's a very it's been a very evolution of Chinese medicine has been a very powerfully about observation. There were taboos on like cadaver dissection and stuff which is which It wasn't medicine really kind of surgical at one point. But the flip side of that is that without being able to cut things up. It's all these lineages of Chinese doctors that will his wisdom comes down from they were just Masters to the nth degree in hearing and seeing and listening smelling their patients just to understand what was going on and they sting the difference after a lifestyle change after treatment after her. and but I have finished you want suitcase, but I misled and actually it's really interesting that in Chinese tradition as well as in Western tradition love belongs to the heart and soul of Of intimacy relationships closeness and so far constitutions kind of love parties, but they also hate it, you know, and the the quality of their life is probably very strongly depend on the quality of their relationship their intimate relationship and and they what do they pray to their friends and anxiety. They may have problems sleeping. Then I have Publications like the conscious of your heart beating sometimes due to anxiety. See the follower Constitutions are fun, like some excitement or if they're feeling very Advanced and very flat very lack of affect very not able to connect with your own joy and you know, it was correctly go. Enjoy is awful and it hits you know, all these things. I'm describing they can hit any Constitution. But the fire this is the kind of core challenge yet. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so we've gone wood fire. okay, so Marshall, I also like mental Constitution is actually a metaphor are very refined from can fund a little bit chilly the it's the energies of father and very Discerning, you know, like metal constitutions home clothing and Make up an essence of really Exquisite and really carefully chosen. It's like the yeah, it's about to the diamond shop incisive judgment and they're quite concerned with aspect receiving respect giving respect but haven't but at same time still craving mistaken from trouble receiving it really taking it in and I see one things we do in the final element and discussion of traditional diagnosis process is often a little bit of respect and see how it's received. Okay Sympathy for the Earth. Faster speed and like how did you know from the chance to get angry? So it works here would hesitation to see you know, if I like, mr. Peters bad that he had to do that. Yeah. Well that's a really hard thing to learn. Right and it's always fun. Like, you know giving respect is quite a social easy thing to do but like tapping a little bit into fear and anger can be what came true. Let's see whether this person receive respect. Coughs colds around go away at my that kind of thing. Unfortunately. This would be more drawn to smoking than the average person but it was at least one well equipped to deal with it. Do you have an explanation of why are you so definitely I think it's it's like I can't give you a sort of sorry that question that connection book in more generally the things that we sort of These core challenges our core challenges remember lady out once asking me to tell me about her diet trend is really good. And she said what should I change and I swear if I'd said go away only pineapple peanut. She would have eaten any kind of something that's 100% you know, but I such a nothing a dust fine. I think from what you said that what you need to do is just slow down and she burst into tears, but that was to help us unimaginable. Whereas any dietary recommendations would have really gone and done was the other person who needs the doctor recommendation you because just Some small suggestion that it's a is overwhelming I can to them and so I think our capacity to make the change that will most benefit us is often as the hardest thing to do and so imagines constitutions who were smoking really, I mean, I have sympathy like I remember all making will struggling with these are some level. Yes Miss. Actually do I also have the benefit of quite a lot of knowledge about a Chinese face reading right and up. Here when you get a little horizontal line, of course that upper lip and that's a real indication that your lungs will really benefit from being well looked after I began reading of this meditation or Tai Chi or yoga or she could find of those practices that work with the breath. This is kind of a like a like a little like like whoop alarm on the gauge. Okay say you would really benefit and so there are lots of so each of the Institutions will be tending to it has certain times is more. So metal Constitutions are more likely to have one of those lines for example indicating how much they could do it. If you have their low, I guess they really are looking after them. Right but most of all of the lines of the the district the job of the mountains that the organs are sort of like a Chinese bureaucracy with the emperor and the berries officials and the lamb official is in charge of receiving the Heavenly cheese, like receiving the beautiful inspiration of the universe. - and that resonates back with the whole metal and always mental Tendencies about being very Discerning having release of Exquisite taste all that stuff. You have the ability to breathe in the Heavenly Qi and then tell me about the other organ is the large intestines about getting rid of the waste. Yeah. So it's that receiving the beautiful stuff and getting rid of the crowd. Those are let's both those sort of the core and the challenge here. That's right. Yeah, which leaves us with one more water because its water somewhere is chopping people out there water water constitutions so water so it's about drive and these people tend to grossly over work themselves will be super lazy or have trouble and flip between the two but also it's about fear and so it's about like real You know life and death like is a terrorist and a Russian driven in the net and Carlos are top of that level of it's not social anxiety. Like I like silly. It's like no I always safe. Is that kind of one of the key to estrogen? Yeah, the Germans and then all kinds of risk taking all kinds of appropriate lack of fears of people who do lots of bungee jumping or skydiving and totally come just now on the on the freeway and they are able to constitutions and little bit. So yeah, they often very Charming little interest in the mystery. He's a terror The hidden knowledge. They they're actually really good in a crisis, you know, because they prepared they thought about the stuff hits the fan. So yeah, I mean it's not like my favorites, but I do recognize water cuts. Elements like practice and I do practice TCM as well. Sometimes that is the right the right thing but the five elements like one thing I really quickly realized in like the student clinic when I was studying acupuncture and I had my first few patients is a nobody is dull. Everyone is fascinating. Okay, and it's like you sit with someone and have a conversation with him for like a half hour and it's like this beautiful little journey of Discovery and it's not uncommon that for them. It's a journey of Discovery am I hearing questions and thinking about themselves feeling really deeply heard in a way that isn't commonplace necessarily. It's not there's no more lies. You have any medicine like any sort of Health Medicine? There's not it's not that common. Yeah, so kind of holding that space and really seeing someone to be hearing them and then we might do the whole little background thing of like, okay. Now, what am I? What is that? What is that? What is it? That person needs is that I was only it's a total joy to participating. Yeah, it's good that you love what you do? Yeah, that's great. Thank you so much. So yeah, just like has just recently come to us or not being sort of happened is you've been here for like two years you have going on to the process of registration because next countries. Oh my God, even if you try anything UK and I'm going to know her through the process of trying to help her become registered and get that get that stuff sorted out and so you I'll be starting a practice soon and we'll put the link in the description below. So if you want to follow up about knowing about more about what five-element acupuncture is and the kind of process that's that goes on there. Yeah, so Jessica's practices in Perth in wa Australia, but if you want to contact her for a remote consultation, she can do those kinds of things as well. So you can just hit her up with the email and the link in the description below or if you're interested in the the kind of thing. We've been talking about today is called five-element. And there are other people that do it. It's just not a very common. I think in the UK the u.s. Is much more common than Australia, but it's just there are any I don't think there's any schools in Australia that just specifically teach five-element acupuncture as an exact style. So this is something we really interesting. There's a few practitioners in Australia that delay that have come from the UK. But yeah, so if you're interested in that and you can look up more about that and there are some books that people can get to just learn more about five elements occupy insurance or probably put the and for those things they're effectively actually that suddenly reminds me as well. I have a little reference and packable reference cards about the final 32 per element. I sold them for years all over the world and not know gaming ebook version of yeah, that's what people say and what they do. They the first one gives you for each Constitution like a light of all of the characteristics of an institution. Okay, and the second one that gives you all the ways you can nourish. Oh that's It's a constitution. Yeah, that's right. What kinds of beautiful lifestyle advice about how to nourish your wood furniture polish that yeah, that's really good. Yeah will be completely. Thanks for your time and being on the podcast and just letting everyone know that benefit of five-element acupuncture. 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I'm joined by 5 Element expert, Jessica Kennedy who was trained in the  UK, in a unique style of Chinese medicine called "Five Element  Acupuncture" - so lets find out what is 5 Element Acupuncture and how it  might be able to help you find out more about yourself - mentally,  physically and emotionally. We talk about the differences in the 5 elements, what are the  constructions of wood, fire, earth, metal and water. what happens during a consultation / treatment in 5 element acupuncture,  how that might be different to TCM or general Chinese medicine, what’s  involved including questions, talking, pulse diagnosis, tongue diagnosis  and more. About today's guest: Jessica Kennedy, Acupuncturist   http://jessicakennedy.com/five-elemen...   Chinese Medicine Podcast is now on actual podcast platforms! Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...Spotify : https://open.spotify.com/show/2gLorSA...Breaker: https://www.breaker.audio/chinese-med...Google Podcasts: https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=...Anchor: https://anchor.fm/marie-hopkinson   ABOUT YOUR PRESENTER: Marie Hopkinson   Marie's practice details:  MARIE HOPKINSON, Registered Chinese Herbalist and Acupuncturist in  Australia (AHPRA)  Consultations for treatment (individual) please call my clinic office to  book in: 08 93289233 (Perth Natural Medical Clinic) or  go to : http://www.bespokemedicine.net/ Email hello@bespokemedicine.net  Facebook:  fb.me/bespokemedicine. Please see your own Chinese Medicine Practitioner, GP/Doctor or appropriate Health professional for a propper diagnosis before initiating any self help concepts we discuss. 