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We're talking about the fight between his girlfriend's right now all of that when we return I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN. Hey guys, we are back. Back it is season 2. Can you believe this came full circle into a season 2 of our Kelly Shenanigans. We're talking start surviving R.Kelly season 2 episode 1 and please I need a moment to just breathe because I am deeply moved by this particular episode. So, my name is Angela Taylor. I will be your host and I have my beautiful panelists here. She is a former our Kelly fanatic turn. Turned mute, R.Kelly supporter. Yes, I am. My name is Jocelyn Giovanni, and I'm so happy to be here because this was a lot. Yeah, we I mean we didn't really expect it to turn into a part two, but after watching the first episode of season 2 and then everything that just happened it's like there could be a part three, you know my God. Sorry just kind of keeps unraveling and yes, everything is just unfolding. What were your overall thoughts about this particular episode well, Definitely just the more in-depth they went about his childhood. Yes, and you could get the sense of that just the the different size from both of his brothers. And you know, I know we'll touch on that. Yeah, absolutely. So it was one of those things that caught me off guard when I saw the interviews with his brother Bruce came out first and he was in jail and you really get a sense of like there. Is a real Brotherhood Jackson 5 upbringing that they had started with the music together and you can tell they're exactly who they are. Bruce has his older brother. And you hear that in his voice. You hear that and how he speaks about his younger very protective very protective of him. And that was you know, something for me to see like, you know while because I come from a big family. My mom has six kids. Wow. Yeah, so it's like, you know, and I have three brothers. And they've done some crazy things and it's like despite no matter how crazy it is. It's like that still my brother. Absolutely. There's this sense of like a protection. I feel towards them no matter the craziness they could do and that's what I saw between from Bruce as the older brother. You did get a sense of the youngest brother Kerry kind of just saying what it is, you know, like speaking out against the injustices that had happened to them as children. Whereas the oldest brother was still protecting his brother. I was very relieved during both interviews with both Kari and Bruce that they weren't not necessarily giving excuses for their brothers Behavior. They were explaining the history of it and not trying to excuse his behavior because several times it was mentioned. He needs help he needs help and they were giving us a touch of what it felt like to kind of empathize with our Kelly and his need for help and crying out and having a pastor come and Really sit in on his issues with his childhood and him knowing that he has perverted thoughts and perverted behavior and he needs to be delivered right because it's like, you know what when I was watching that scene, I started thinking of his music because it was like that was always what he used to get criticized for before we knew about all these things like, oh how one minute you're at your job panties. And then the next minute, it's Jesus Jesus Jesus. Yes. I wish I wish I wish you know, so when his brother told that story it's like wow, this is who he really is, you know personality dual personality that would limit describe our Kelly as another person and third person third every man is a dangerous man. That man is a fool. I was like, wow that was one of those moments where you connected the dots and you could understand like this is a mental illness happening right and unfolding right and it just came out in such a sexual way pretty much but like he's been needing help since Have from I mean since he was eight or six like seven eight. Yeah started it started out a young area even with the younger brother. So and you know, let's let's not act like I mean for me growing up, I remember it was such a normal thing from back in the day like in the 70s and 80s or whatever that for me growing up in the 90s my mother she would be like you better tell me if anyone ever touches me and he don't ever don't don't let anyone touch you but talking to like my mom. Some other family member older family members like family friends it pretty it was like not normalized, but it was kind of normal like a lot of people got touched as children, right and the day it was normal where you came up. I mean not where I came up, but I know a lot of people particularly within the black community. I have cousins. I have like fake aunts. You know what I'm saying? Fake uncle's people who would kind of come over and you can hear Is that was say or even like my grandmother cheers stories with me of things that happened to her and how when she would tell her mom. Sometimes her mom didn't believe her that was like a common thing that I would hear among older adults growing up. I totally get where you're coming from because every time I would like go to a homegirls house my grandma hated when I would do sleepovers or go to parties or anything like that and whenever I came over her house, and she noticed me being quiet or kind of Offish she would be like baby. Did anybody touch you I like it was one of those things was like no nobody touch me. I'm just in my zone, but you have like I'm saying like I'm not saying that it has never happened to me, but I know it's happened to people it within my family that are older like they were all growing up in like the 50s 60s and 70s and 80s, you know what I'm saying? So like I would feel like Bob 90s maybe people started being like hey, you better speak up, you know, but another thing that kind of stood out to me from his brother Bruce is when you know, like because when you said the comment like they weren't making excuses like no, he didn't necessarily make an excuse for him. But when he tried to go along the lines of saying, you know to have everything and for it's all be taken and now I'm back where we're going with this how low a that's the worst and I'm like you mean like being forced. Forced into basically a sex slave. Yeah and have to get in urinated on and having sex with minors are being a minor having sex. It's like what do you mean? Yes, and I can only take your word for so much because you wear an orange jumpsuit brother and I'm saying it was just like that was like a bit warped to me when he had the nerve to try to make it seem like our Kelly's gone through the worst thing ever right now. It will that's because you know, he's biased obviously and he's empathizing with all of these stories that Brothers telling him and speaking of stories. How did it make you feel my overall thoughts about this episode was it was very melancholy and there was a lot of poignant moments where I was like man like I didn't actually hate him because I was able to understand the history and it's not that I'm excusing it. I'm like, oh, okay like the light but when I'm like I know about him being molested but But I didn't hear these personal anecdotes like these actual stories from his brothers and what they all went through and this relative that they kept on trying to like blank out. So you wouldn't hear the name bright trying to protect their sister. Yeah, because I mean it they were still protecting her in the first season. They didn't really say her name, but it came out because the youngest brother Kerry was just being honest, so it was a little Me too. So I'm not sure exactly if they said her name in the first one or if I saw it in the blogs, but it was confirmed that it was the sister they were talking about so then for that for it to be in the second one where they're just keeping her name out. It's like wow you guys are really protecting the sister. Yeah, and it must have been at their request I would assume so do you know how much older the sister was? No member he said I mean, well he said in there she is the oldest member brother maybe because she was our age right but she was robbing old just a couple of years. It's probably just a couple of years difference. You know what I'm saying? Like it's crazy. So take me to the thoughts that was running through your mind when you heard the mr. Henry story when I'm Kelly was still yet because I'm now I'm thinking in my mind from the season one where we knew that it was the sister. So now here in the mr. Henry story. I'm like damn like he was getting molested and sexually assaulted by numerous more than one person as a child, right? I just I can't even imagine what that what that feels like, you know, so it did give me a little bit of a sense of understanding on maybe how heartless and why he's so heartless and cold because to do the things that he does to women two young girls there. You have to be a heartless cold person right? There has to be a part of you that just has no emotion at all, right and an inability to empathize and that probably been taken passion is gone. They probably Was taken from him as a child. So then there's just two sides of him, you know, and then when you're hearing his brothers talk about how quiet he was growing up. It's like you got to think like you don't even know what he was holding onto from just a young age then having to carry that and carry that but it's still hard for me. Yes, I empathize for anyone who goes through that as a child, you know any kind of trauma, you know as an adult whoever is somebody taking advantage of you it's horrible, but at the same In time it's like he still knew what he was doing was wrong and he just kept doing it and kept doing it. And then on top of that lying about it, it's like I what point were you ever going to really stop right and just go until you got caught right and even still because I think I think if you would have even stopped after the P tape, which that happened when I was in high school repeat a different High School. Everybody was talking about that hashtag p-type. Hey Pete and if he would Stopped in which that was the early 2000s? He okay not he all the charges were dropped whatever they didn't convict him in 2008, right you would have stopped in if you want to use that as like a alright learned lesson learned is my son or daughter again. I think from there with what could have possibly happened is still all of it when it started to come out, you know, because What's Done in the Dark always comes to the light, but I think that within that time he could have made a different image for himself that more people would be willing to defend him and be on his side, but It's like you have such a big amount of people who don't defend him and then a little tiny group of people who are defending him. Right as we also saw an episode of absolutely before we jump into our next heavy subject Jerusalem would like to share something with you viewers. Hey everybody. Thank you so much for making AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TD talk whoop and we just want to let you know to like subscribe comment below subscribe to us on iTunes Google play whatever sharing platforms you use and keep our stars on iTunes thumbs up thumbs up on YouTube. Subscribe. Subscribe. Subscribe Let's Love. Absolutely. Thank you so much for that dresser. So the next thing I wanted to get Into was this little team. He has around him protecting him and defending him. He has little army and we saw two of two sisters and they were his managers and oh my gosh take me through your thoughts when they were saying basically that these women are lying and defending this whole ghost account that they have called surviving. I'm lies, which is basically posting nudes of the survivors, which actually proves that are Kelly did do something with them the fact that he has the footage and able to expose them and exploit blue like someone who's slow which we know that he is because he can't read or write what think that you shots fired. Let's put it where it's at. Only someone who like has some kind of learning disability would think that putting out I'm innocent we're but I got your text and I'ma put it out, right and you got proof that I sent you these threats, but nobody's gonna know like seriously like and then everyone around him. So what I thought of the two white women and I'm going to say that because it's I have two different comments that kind of goes to the level. So for one, it was very striking, of course that the only two white people People in this episode are two white women that are defending him and you know, there's always talk of you know, even the fact that it took this long for him to get caught where people are saying that's because these are black women that this was happening to he got caught a long time ago. They're just now doing something about it and let's be clear about that. We've been on about this for ages like since Alia. All right. So why did he can raise with her soul, right? So why did he get away with it for so long because now We're in this age of social media and speaking out in women empowerment and we are stronger as a culture to stand against this type of abuse, right but they were turning a blind eye to it. Like many people say the reason people were turning a blind eye is because it was primarily black women and when you thought talk about those debates just like you were right now, we're still going through an epidemic of sex trafficking. Yes transgender women black transgender women. Being murdered and it's not highly publicized in the media and there is talk among the black community that the reason a lot of these things get ignored and not highlight highlighted and publicity is because they're black. So when I when I as a black woman keeping that in mind and then I see two white women now discussing call in a group of black large group of black women liars all of them. It was just okay with that was crazy to me and then in addition to you know, how history where people Always say like, you know people believe the word of a white woman, you know, a white woman could cry wolf and everyone's like, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh help her. So so now then see these two white women doing the exact opposite and said to finding the wolf. It was so crazy to me. I was just like wow because I first when they first popped on the screen, I was like, oh he's definitely going down now they got some stories on him too. Hmm, but they were sitting here defending him and they're like, we you got they were victims not victims. I thought they were gonna say, Say what they saw is working. Okay. Got you got when they were like we never saw a thing and these women are lying and it's like really like it just it and it didn't even sound authentic. They were on there on his payroll first. Yes. Why are you even giving a testimony because I can his payroll like he paid them and he felt like oh, yeah get the two white girls pay them and have them go and do this documentary and defend me that because there's something about having Caucasian testimony, right? Like if ever we hear something and it came from someone white, we're like, oh that must be the truth because this this is accredited because it came from a white person. Right and it's like again it gives you a look into his weird. Mine like his weird. I don't want to call him names but sometimes it's like you want to call him names because it's like I can't force a that these for sure say these girls are telling the truth, but I can't for sure I said they're lying either and it's just too many of them with similar stories to say that they're lying. But I'm gonna say he's lying right? It's disgusting. So this particular episode focused on faith Rogers one of his victims and her everything she went through trying. Speak out for herself. She brought in her lawyer Gloria Allred very popular Defender and all of his victims. They are getting threatened harassed. They're paranoid. They have to move their lives are turned upside down from supporters of our Kelly and there's no going back from this point. They will always be remembered as one of his victims and how would that like Like can't you figure out how you would be a day in the life of someone like Faith Rogers. I mean her father was a pastor for crying out loud. Like she was supposed to be the role model daughter and it really resonated with me when she says not only is she now depressed but just being around her family and stop like how she stopped going to church. She's too ashamed to stand up his daughter because she I lied and she basically humiliated the entire family and she's wearing that cloak of Shame and disdain everyday and she's having these constant reminders on social media and out here in the world at stores. His other victims. I would say that her child. She has to run away from a store at the mall because she's being her life is in danger. Her child's life is in danger because Cuz of them being able to speak out for themselves and having other people like who defend our Kelly at their throats 24/7 crazy, but for her, I definitely if she's not already. She should you know get therapy Char array key. Try who Reiki I believe in I like Reiki energy energy cleanse. Oh, okay. I thought it was a person. No. No, it's a form of therapy and spiritual healing. Okay, because she needs deep deep rooted. Mmm, treatment mmm and mental psychological emotional spiritual and with her saying the things I love how insecure she feels now amount her family and just everything it gives me it gave me a sense of what insecurity she might have already been feeling that allowed her to entertain that situation after she already saw the shaky sense of it to still continue to kind of date him. More see him she said she was sheltered and that's typically what happens a preacher's child is typically yeah neighborhood. The one of the worst part. I know and I hope they learned that to the I'm sure the parents learned that to like Sheltering doesn't really solve the problem. You know, it really doesn't you know, like I was saying my mom has six kids or with my two older sister. She was so strict with them and they both ended up, you know become a teen moms and so with me she just Was a little bit more of like a friend to me laugh and she just let me know just draw some please don't get pregnant and I still haven't got pregnant to this day, but it's like net looking at now. It's like what's taking you so long? Yeah, I would say that for parents like Faith Rogers parents. I hope they could look at their story and see and try to switch things up. If you're being too strict and sheltered with your children because I never it never solves anything and make them more Curious to learn. What is out there and experiment So we're going to March right into our special segments the most shocking moments and the most shocking moment for me was when the two ladies defended his axe with all of the proof and all of the evidence that you can ever muster up right against our Kelly and they're still calling the victims Liars. That was one of my most shocking moments. What was your last name would agree with you? For me it was that scene. I mentioned earlier where the oldest brother Bruce kind of explained. Our Kelly's current situation and said like this is like this is hands down the worst thing that can happen to someone and I just couldn't believe he had the nerve to say that out of his face. Yeah when you know for a fact that your brother has done this to all these women. So how what do you mean? How is that not horrible freaking Andrea Kelly was knocking on the door asking if she could go to the bathroom. Yes. That's a hot-ass mess though. So, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Mmm. That was the most shocking to me. But also what else was shocking to me not shocking but it was interesting to see just how many more people now feel comfortable speaking up after the first documentary came out. You can see Angela Yi's in part 2 now Damon - it's just interesting. Like ok. Now after the first one came out and everyone's now bashing our Kelly now everybody's feeling more comfortable. Yeah, and this second one and Out against it that was a little funny. It was a nice twist to see Ali has fiance Damon Dash and the interviews and he's like if he did that to my daughter he's dead like there is no sympathy. There's no forgiveness. He's dead. So that was really interesting because you forget that him and Alia were engaged at the time of her death and how he must have felt about our Kelly. His strong feelings towards that particular person and then there's all of this drama happening when his fiancee illya is she was one of the first stories we heard about with him messing with, you know, underage women. Yeah, and yeah, I you know, I it was different back then so whatever so that's why I thought it was an interesting to see that Damon Dash is in this one and he wasn't in the first one. Hmm just because they did talk a lot about The Alia relationship in the first one. So we'll see if you know when that part comes up if they're going to give different information because you know a lot of it that's why I was still wondering like, okay. Where is it going to go with this with the second one? Because they gave so much information in part 1, you know, yes, so it's like what else? You know, what else is there? Oh speaking of what else guys Joseline has our news and gossip honey. Well, I mean the news Gossip is all over town yesterday. It went down with if you can remember after part one came out two of our Kelly's current girlfriends appeared on Good Morning America as you as we are Curry and joycelyn Savage and they were defending our Kelly they were saying all of the allegations are false. Everybody in the documentary is a liar. Well, well well speed up to less little less than a year. Later. And they're fighting and now as real is saying our Kelly is a liar. He's been lying from day one. She called out joycelyn for sleeping with a minor. And that minor was me speaking of you know meeting Azrael news, you can use. Yes and they were physically fighting on Instagram live. We also saw Azrael giving her police report to the police on on live and it seems as though Azrael is breaking out of the pied Pipers trance. Right and it leaves everybody question. Why what what led to her change in this situation because just a couple of months ago. She was defending him. Oh, yes. She was the main spokesperson. She and that interviewed her and joycelyn, right and so pretty much what we're seeing in the video and what she's saying and that police report is Once she started saying like, you know, joycelyn, you slept with a minor in the minor was me. That's when joycelyn just started attacking her we can see it in the video Joyce and saying you're so evil. And she was like, how am I evil I need to protect myself and so as we was on the process of moving out of our Kelly's house like oh take his Grammys or whatever and it's like what is happening? And this all happened on our Kelly's birthday? Yes and while he's in jail, talk about karma. Karma. Karma my godson in the dark always. Slight absolutely soaking of Darkness. We're in a dark about where this is going. So we're going into predictions right now is TV predictions. So my prediction with all of this Scandal acity happening all of this live and all of these fights and things going on. I just I simply don't know where it's going. But I think that as Jocelyn said whatever is done in the dark is going to come to light and it's coming to a head right now as real Cleary is definitely sounding off right now and I don't think she will be back pedaling at this point. This is the Point of no return she's moved out of his house. She's got into it with their girlfriend hers and our Kelly's girlfriend. Joycelyn, and she's about to hit the fan right? I think that thou after what just happened with the fight with Azrael on. Joycelyn R.Kelly still denying the allegations then you know other other news that came out that I'm not sure if it's in this one if when one of the security guards are former manager admitted Said that he got the fake ID for Aliyah during the marriage. So well, I think it could also lead to a part three of this because there's still so much and unfurling with this story because he has so many skeletons. He made so many tapes he's had so many encounters with girls who are now women hate other true. He should have been like he missed his calling. He should have been like a director for pornos, right or he should have been a journalist because he likes to journal all of his bad behavior that Crazy crazy. Does that psychotics criminals? I cannot wait to see what happens in episode 2 next week. I'm going to be talking about it. We're going to have a full panel next week. So please tune in. My name is Angela Taylor. I've been your host and where can we find you can actually find me on Instagram at I'm Jill Taylor underscore. You can find me on Twitter. I'm Jill Taylor underscore. You can find me on Facebook on Joe Taylor work. We find you Jocelyn. You can find me on Instagram at Jocelyn's Eva. Je R OS L YN Diva and Twitter to just add 0 8 to the end because the last one got hacked. Okay guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. We look forward to seeing you next week. Bye our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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Season 2 Episode 1: Interviews with R. Kelly's brothers, inmate Bruce Kelly and younger brother Carey Kelly giving personal accounts of their childhood molestation from a "close relative" and a neighborhood man, Mr. Henry. They recall in uncomfortable detail the very beginning of Kelly's indecent exposure to sex at the tender age of 6. The episode focused on one of his underaged victims, Faith Rogers and her parents. They give shocking accounts of the disturbing threats and torment Kelly and his "handlers" have put them through, which triggered Faith's epileptic seizure. At the first premiere of "Surviving R. Kelly," we learned that the event was brought to an abrupt stop with a threat from an "unknown source" which made everyone evacuate and Kelly's victims ran scared back to their hotel rooms. R. Kelly's caucasian Manager sister-duo denies all allegations of sexual abuse and supports the ghost account "Surviving Lies" which slams and exploits nude photos of every victim that comes forward. It shows viewers that Kelly will stop at nothing to silence his victims and keep them under his control. Hosts Angele Taylor and Jeroslyn Jovonn end with the juicy fight between Kelly's current girlfriends, which was posted Live between Azriel Clary and Joycelyn Savage. Let us know how you feel about Azriel's new stance against her now ex-boyfriend R. Kelly as she moves out of his home! Today's After Show Was Hosted By: Angele Taylor (@angeletaylor_ ) and Jeroslyn Jovonn (@jeroslyndiva)  Follow us on http://www.Twitter.com/AfterBuzzTV "Like" Us on http://www.Facebook.com/AfterBuzzTV For more After Shows for your favorite TV shows and the latest news in TV, Film, and exclusive celebrity interviews, visit http://www.AfterBuzzTV.com  ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 