Welcome to Soul sugar. I'm your host carry rad. You might know me from my videos on YouTube. I love to chat about all things self-care self-love living our very best lives and finding our inner magic Soul. Sugar is a community of blooming Soul Seekers like sugar for your soul. Hello everyone. Welcome back to an All new episode of Soul sugar podcast I have Catalina here. She is a birth Doula and she is studying to become a midwife right now, and I'm so happy to have you here right now because there is so much more that I can learn about the birth process about postpartum. I know that you know, there's so much to learn. I can't wait to give birth one day, but I also feel like I can wait because I'm also terrified. So I'm excited to have you here because it's cool to have somebody who is an expert. In giving birth. I'm super excited to be here and share my knowledge with you. Yeah, it's going to be cool. So first off, I think the biggest question I have for you because when I just look at what you're doing currently I have questions because I don't know what the difference between being a birth Doula and being a midwife is so I'd love to hear that from you. This is probably the most common question that I get in there is a huge difference between Mean dualism midwives a doula is a basically a lay person. So there is no medical training involved in Doula work. Google is our physical informational emotional support people throughout pregnancy birth and postpartum midwives are medically trained to deliver babies. They can do everything that a doctor can do except for C-sections when it comes to birth. So a midwife Actually replaces a doctor in low-risk healthy pregnancies people can choose to work with the Midwife either in a homer setting or Center setting or a hospital setting. So those are the main differences between doulas and midwives and that's exactly why there's more extensive training for becoming a midwife, right? Exactly. So there's two routes to Midwifery. There's nurse Midwifery and there's licensed. Midwifery certified professional midwives a nurse Midwife is like a traditionally trained RN who goes on for extra schooling to become a midwife and they usually work in the hospital system, but not necessarily. They also kind of time home verse and verse enter Birds licensed midwives are more traditionally and holistically train. So for example, I'm planning to become a licensed Midwife in the state of California. I'm currently Training with a midwife who's been a midwife for over 20 years and I'm working under her to learn the skills that I need to get my license from the state cool. That's it's neat that you get to be underneath somebody who's already practicing the way that you want to be practicing. I think that that is such an excellent way to get into the field that you want to be in and to learn from somebody. I feel like there's so much that you can learn in school about a certain subject. But being able to work underneath somebody and learn from them and kind of see their path is a really cool way to do that too. I want to know what exactly made you passionate about being a birth duel. I think it's such a cool path in you're so important to women. I know for me. I've never had a baby. But when I do have a baby, I really do want a birth Doula or a midwife involved just because I feel like having somebody that you know, And that you can talk to and have a connection with is just so important because it's not it just seems like especially for your first time. It's just just such a scary thing to to go into without having somebody by your side that like knows your plan and knows what you want to do. And again, I'm just like kind of going into why I love it so much and I mean that's obvious because I have you here. So I guess that I just want to know exactly how you became passionate about it. So I got into Doula work. Work after I had an experience myself where I became pregnant and I chose to have an abortion and this was over six years ago, but during that time in my life. I really had no support around me. And so I started to think like, what would I have done if I would have had the baby and how my pregnancy and how my birth would have been and I felt the same way like very terrified very uninformed very Howard and through that experience I had sort of a shift in my career and in my life path and I thought back to what did I want to be when I was young when I grew up and wanting to follow that passion and I had thought I wanted to be a nurse. So I enrolled back in school and was planning to become a nurse but along the way I had a yoga teacher who was a doula and she was also a midwife and she suggested Midwifery. So before making the commitment to Midwifery school, I decided to become a doula and start attending births in the hospital and see if it was for me and I really fell in love with the work. I worked as a doula for two years in New York and I was still planning to go to nursing school and then onto Midwifery school, but at a certain point there was a shift in the seeing all of the ways that the medical system. Is failing people in Birth by not providing that support and honestly, I wish doulas weren't necessary in the way that I wish that our culture has not in distilled so much fear and lack of support in birthing people. So traditionally we would have communities of support where everybody saw their family members give birth saw their family members breastfeed. It was normal and it was not something to be feared and it wasn't like a disaster waiting to happen, which is the way that the medical model approaches birth versus the Midwifery model, which says birth is actually a healthy normal condition of the body and how do we support that instead of using fear to you know control us so as a doula I found that in the hospital, especially At the time of birth there is very little support. So the doctor shows up at the very end for about five minutes to catch the baby the nurses in and out usually has multiple patients and you're left alone to labor by yourself and that there are many issues with consent and what's considered obstetric or violence in the hospital by care provider. So doulas act as a really important. Aunt advocates in the hospital setting and also preparing you with information to know your rights when you walk into a hospital that in pregnancy just because you're pregnant doesn't mean that you have to do anything to your body that you don't want to do even though you'll walk into the doctor's office or you'll walk into the hospital say it's time for this test. It's time for this shot. It's time for this and it makes you feel as if you have no choice absolutely and we've all heard stories. Is you know and seen people in our Lives who after pregnancy or birth? You know, they might feel like this didn't go the way I had planned and I understand that to a certain extent. That is normal that maybe it's not going to go exactly the way that you planned but being knowledgeable about exactly what happens and having another woman who can be there with you who maybe has experienced birth before or Just has the knowledge that she needs to be by your side and that process even just to talk to you and tell you about what happens and what you whatever you want to do is possible whatever you don't want to do. You don't have to do I think having that person by someone's side when they go through one of the scariest moments in their life is so important. So I love that. There's people like you out there because you're right. We can't just walk into a hospital and just completely trust the fact that He's looking out for your best interest which is really sad to think about but at the end of the day in the medical industry like it is about like how quickly you can get people off of a bed. And so sometimes things are happening in that room that you know are to just kind of move things along without really paying attention to how the person feels or what they wanted. And are you able when you are there as a midwife off to step in medically and kind of interfere with what you know, let's say instead of doing a water birth at home, you know, someone's transferred to the hospital. Are you still able to be there as support and helped make the decisions so I would not be able to step in medically in the hospital setting. But if we were planning a home birth, for example, and we were planning or we were planning a water birth or That option available if we're going to the hospital, we know we're going there because hospital has something that we need. We have tried everything everything at home. We have exhausted all the options either. The person's body is telling us I'm reaching a point of exhaustion. I need pain management or the baby is telling us I'm not tolerating this labor anymore and I need support So when we're going into the hospital we're owing because they have something that we need and for the people that I work with as a student. I've been with free in home births. They know that so there's not like this fear of failure or anti Hospital approach because that's something that we actually work through in the pregnancy and in the birth prep because usually the people who are like I'm having a home birth. I'm not going to the hospital. There's no way those are the people that are going to the hospital and the ones that are like, If I need to be in the hospital, then I need to be in the hospital. But as long as I'm healthy and safe and the baby's okay and labor is going physiologically normal. I know that I'm cool to stay home. Yeah, so healthy low-risk women, the literature proves that they actually don't need obstetric care doctors are great for high-risk situations, but we have a culture that has just, you know accepted the The model medical model as the status quo as the norm as like this is just what we do and people don't even know that midwives are an option and the care that you get with a midwife is so much different than what you got with an Obe. So for example, a typical doctor's appointment is seven minutes enough time to test your urine take your blood pressure. Listen to the baby's heart rate. Maybe look at the baby on the ultrasound and ask you I'm question about how you're feeling and that's it. A Midwifery appointment is an hour-long we talked about. What are you eating? How are you sleeping? How are you? Pooping? Are you having sex what's going on in your relationship? What are your fears about birth? How can we prepare for postpartum? So we want to know what is going on with the whole person in order to prepare for birth. It's almost like ancient Chinese medicine of approach where you know, they ask how you're feeling because that is obviously going to directly affect how you feel your baby's condition stress, like whatever it maybe can obviously this day and age we know that stress affects our health and it's incredible to me that that that question is not asked the truth is they don't they don't ask the questions because they don't want to know because They don't have time to answer or they don't know the answer. So for nutrition, for example, I would say nutrition is the number one most important thing in pregnancy and doctors are not trained one hour of one day in nutrition in their entire residency or entire medical school career, maybe some might, you know do their own outside research, but from their perspective they're looking Look at pregnancy from the disease model. So they don't care if you develop high blood pressure at the end of pregnancy because they are just going to intervene and induce or give you medication. Whereas in Midwifery. Our goal is to keep you low-risk. Keep you safe. Keep you at home. So if we can address that with nutrition from the beginning of care and if all it takes is for the most part decreasing some stress making sure eating enough protein in your diet, then we can Decrease the likelihood that you're going to develop high blood pressure at the end of pregnancy that could lead to a high-risk condition. So interesting that it's that way in the hospital here in the United States because there are so many other countries where it's just such a what like well flowing environment and like it feels like you're like the way that you just described it makes so much sense that they look at it as like they're like curing a disease sort of which sort of like we are all here because we were born and we are all here because our mother had to give birth to us and the fact that it like the way that it looked at in our society and the way that it's handled it should be by this point and that's why I like birth doulas and Midwifery Czar so like it's so important because at this point we should look at this as like this isn't a awful experience and they're like, we need to be by someone side to go through this and I from what I understand like and I might be wrong here in particular, but from new, I think like in New Zealand, they provide a birth Doula there's countries where like it's just so it ingrained in the system. It's just part of it and I think that that's the way that it should be because we have to have that it's a long process, you know, and they have people taking Care of people in surgery left and right but and like there's like therapist like physical therapist that will help you after surgery. But and you can get your insurance to cover that does insurance cover a doula some insurances. Okay, and this is something I actually did want to talk about was the access to doulas and the issue of privilege when it comes to access to doulas and midwives because the truth is right now it's a privilege. Age to work with a doula and work with a midwife and the people who need doulas and midwives the most are those with less privileged. So right now the United States is one of the highest developed nations with the highest rates of maternal mortality and infant mortality and morbidity. And that number is four times higher for black people babies and moms are dying at four times higher rates in Black communities than in white and I struggle Have this conversation because as a white Earth worker, it's really hard for me to see what's going on in the birth World, especially in LA and the price of what a doula might cost or a fancy celebrity Doula who provides all the things because at the end of the day, it's just like abortion or any other form of healthcare. That should be a right but is a privilege so there are people who are doing amazing. Work in working to provide these things for people on a more accessible basis but insurance so then there's the question of if doulas are going to be regulated or provided by a hospital or an insurance then who are they really serving? Because the most important thing about the Doula is that they are an independent third-party. They don't work for the insurance. They don't work for the hospital they work for You so we are not bound we can do whatever we want in the hospital. Obviously, there are like guidelines but we can say and do whatever we want and we can stand up for people or remind people to stand up for themselves. I would never speak on anyone's behalf or take their power away, but I have no problem pointing out. Hey, are you sure you wanted to do that or remember we talked about the risk of this. Do you need more time to think about that in private and then let the doctor and nurse know what you decide? Side versus feeling pressured in the moment to do something that you didn't want to do and that's the most important part because when you're in that chair terrified about to give birth, I'm sure it's so hard to make the decisions that you would if you were in a more comfortable situation or had somebody by your side very vulnerable totally and that mortality rate and complications and birth for the United States. Like that's really So hard to to talk about and to like swallow, you know, I would say the first intervention is getting in your car and driving to the hospital and that in and of itself is disruptive of the natural physiology of birth. We are mammals we birth the same way as your dog or your cat or any animal in nature. Our nervous systems have to be safe and relaxed. We have to be out of fight or flight mode, which is what ins when you get in the car you drive somewhere you're in traffic. You're worried about how long it's going to take to get there you're in pain. So that is the first most disruptive part about birthing within the medical model of care. Totally that makes so much sense because yeah, I mean your water breaks and then you have to get in a car and all of a sudden your anxiety and stress levels just Skyrocket because first of all you're about To give birth and then second of all you're in a car where like who knows what could happen and not you know cars are dangerous first and foremost. If you're about to have a child the last thing you want to think about is like getting on the street, especially in Los Angeles on the 405. I always think about that when I'm driving on the 405, I'm like gosh what if somebody just what if their water just broke what if they had to get through this? I want to dispel the myth of what happens when the water breaks or when the water breaks. Thank you. Please do in only in Scent of Labor's does the water break before the labor starts? The water breaking is not an indicator of Labor or that birth is imminent the water could break and you could give birth to Days Later through the water could break and no contractions are starting my own the water could break at any point throughout the labor or could not break it all I've seen babies born fully within the sack. The water doesn't break. They are born what's called in and call some people call it like a mermaid birth or there's like very specific like so the baby comes out in the sack still and then you break the sack. Yeah, usually like once it comes out, you know, they'll be like a little bit of like a tear in the sack and the waters will release and it's not like a gush always sometimes it's like a trickle like You're not sure if you're peeing or your water is leaking but in the cases of and call births is what we call it happens more often in water. Birth happens more often with second babies just because they come somewhat faster easier and there's just more space in the pelvis or people who have really strong diets. Their amniotic stocks are very very strong. So essentially it sounds like and correct me if I'm wrong and that a baby coming out in the sack is all is actually very healthy. Yeah, because I know that when a dog gives birth their baby comes out in the sack and you have to you up like a lot of the times a human being asked to like help the dog open the sack or well died it or lick it or whatever the dog naturally knows to look at her bite it so, you know a baby being born in water. That's personally look what I think I want to do when I get there. I'll see how I feel. But I think it just feels so natural and makes so much sense because the baby is like in water exactly and so the sack coming out into the water in the fact that that happens more often than not in that circumstance. 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Well. I had a very successful home. Birth postpartum was definitely challenging and I think since giving birth and going back to work. It's definitely given me more tools. Owls more empathy for my clients who are going through the same experience. I don't think it's a requirement to have a baby before becoming a doula or a midwife. I think it just gives you the experience to look through it with another lens and just provide a different level of support based on your own experience based on the things that worked for me are based on the things that I was like. Oh, I wish I would have had somebody doing that but the truth is it's an individualized experience. And for everyone so what works with one client or what worked for me might not work for another that makes sense. Another question that I have is about postpartum. I don't know much about it, but I've heard about it and I've had other people on the podcast talking about their experience with postpartum. How does a birth Doula help do that? And does a birth Doula or Midwife help after the baby is born through that process as well. Yeah, both birth doulas and midwives support. Postpartum. So the way a birth Doula might support in postpartum is with breastfeeding initial post partum. So like right after the birth for several hours, we stay we wait until you're stabilized baby has a good latch. If you're planning to breastfeed your fed, you know help you kind of like process and come down from the experience and then usually there's a follow-up visit just once with a birth Doula to check-in process the birth story but there's always like the providing of support so it's like My nipples hurt. I need a lactation consultant or I think birth doulas who don't do postpartum doula work. So there are dual is who just do postpartum and they come in either overnight like as opposed to a baby nurse or a night nurse or they come in during the day and they approached postpartum just like I explained for birth. So they're there for physical emotional informational support, especially for people who don't have family around. So we like I said, we don't live in a culture where our families stick together and support one another or maybe we don't have the type of relationship with our mothers or extended family where we would want them around during this vulnerable time. So doulas and postpartum doula sort of can take on that role for you and then as midwives the difference between the postpartum care between a midwife and a doctor is that we see people 24 hours after the birth. Two weeks after the birth and then six weeks. So after you leave the hospital you just have a six-week appointment at the OB. So there's really no care. And then we're also checking in on the baby and there are pediatrician appointments and things like that, but you're still getting Midwifery care all the way through six weeks postpartum. So your Midwife is available to you for support during that time. I'm sure that makes mothers feel so good that like they're going to have you by their side like afterwards to help with because after you have the baby there's just I'm sure so many questions that come up about how to do this all because yeah, the birth process seems really like quite a bit and then afterwards you're just sitting there like, okay now I have the baby now I need to breastfeed and now there's all these other things that I need to know how to do and I just wish that that was more accessible to everyone and I hope in the future that that changes What would you say your biggest piece of advice is to somebody who can't get a birth Doula right now and like is there like three things that you would say I would do this and I would pay attention to that. Well first I will say that there are doulas out there who will do volunteer work or there are low-cost Doula so and a doula who has less experience doesn't necessarily mean that they're any less than a doula. Like I said, Having a baby or having gone to a hundred births or versus five births that the most important thing when looking for a doula is the connection and the trust that you have with this person and it being the right fit and then if a doula is not accessible if you can't find any doulas in your area or it's just not an option. This is such a hard question because I really want everyone to have a doula. I think everyone deserves a doula but doing the research for yourself and listening. If you hear something from your doctor or your care provider or even your Midwife that doesnt sit well with you to just investigate that and to do your own research. That's number one. Number two is to look at your nutrition and prioritize your Self throughout pregnancy. I think if any time is a time to be selfish. It's during pregnancy and to take that time for yourself learning boundaries to decrease stress as much as possible and I would say if you're not going to have a duel alone to take and even if you do have a doula book very much. If you don't to take a childbirth education class if that's accessible. Those are all really good tips something else. That I think is really great to prepare for breakfast, especially if you don't have a doula is listening to burst stories. So there are podcasts like the birth our dr. Berlin's informed pregnancy podcast and a few others where people share their birth stories and the thing that I find so powerful is that they are real honest robber stories. Some of them might have went exactly according to plan some of them may have not but the thing that you'll find Is through processing your birth story and owning the story and listening to them is that everybody found some sense of empowerment or power through their experience in sharing their story. So hearing these stories can actually dispel and ease some of the fear and feeling more prepared because we don't talk about birth stories in our culture as a whole we talked about the train racks and we say, oh I so and so almost died our baby had the cord around the neck very dramatic traumatic stories that when you have the information you realize maybe it wasn't so they aren't such scary things to deal with. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely a lot out there that makes you feel nervous about going into birth, but I also think that there's a lot of cover up about what actually goes on. And I think that the work that you're doing in there so many wonderful women and people out there really advocating for being honest and raw and showing the stretch marks and and talking about postpartum and talking about postnatal depletion those things that you know, we don't know about and talking about miscarriages, you know, I think that there's so many people that experienced these things and I love that people. All are talking about it so much more and they're talking about it candidly, but there are also a lot of people who don't talk about it and most people don't even know what a cervix is or where a cervix has until they're pregnant. There is so much that I don't know to be honest and like that's why I felt like having you on would be so beneficial not only for me but also for people who have or haven't given birth because I personally think that And I could be wrong but I personally believe that like there's probably a lot of people who have gone through the entire birth process and there's a lot of things they don't really know about birth because maybe they didn't want to know or maybe they just wanted to go through the motions and to each their own. I think that as human beings whether you are male or female whether you've given birth or you haven't given birth. It's important to know and to understand and I think the older I get the more I mean, I've always looked at pregnancy as as a magical thing like every time I see a pregnant woman, I think superhero in my head because I think it's so incredible and I think it's so amazing and magical that this woman is creating a human being inside of her belly and all the things that she's going through and going through like a lot of the time on her own, you know, and yeah, I went on a tangent about how magical it is, but I think that every human being should know about the Process because we're all here because of it. Not everybody is going to give birth but we are procreating and making humans every single day and that is our species and we should know and I love that you're doing the work and teaching and being there by people side when they're going through it. Thank you. Like I said, I believe knowledge is power going into this experience. Some people choose to go into it with ignorance is bliss and I think that's a choice, but I really encourage people. To dig a little bit deeper and this is not to shame or say that home birth is better than Hospital birth. I think everybody has to make the choice that is right for them. But they need to know that there is a choice in the first place and maybe explore it a little bit to see if it's for them instead of just saying, oh no, I could never do a home birth or the other way around and I think that there is this discourse currently to in terms of unmedicated. gated versus Medicaid verse epidural unmedicated is just the way of saying, you know natural birth now because it's sort of eases the Divide between epidurals and natural birth and like this competitive nature, which I don't really buy into but what I do like to encourage people to consider, is that what is available to you in the process of a geological normal Earth it is the ultimate Human Experience and there is a transformation and like a spiritual awakening available in that process for people and when we dampen the experience or cut off the connection between the body and the Mind through Medicated birth, we're losing out on that experience and I've seen how powerful it is for myself and for other people and so I just encourage people to consider thinking about that. Well, thank you so much for being here and sharing your knowledge with me and to the listeners in whatever, you know part of their Journey that they are when it comes to Mother heard or even if they aren't interested in. No giving birth, like just thank you for being here and sharing that information and that knowledge with us and at the end of each episode. We do a soul sugar moment. So it's normally a moment where I ask my guests to just lead us in a Moment of Zen I guess for lack of a better word, but just a moment where we just kind of like breathe in and breathe out and you kind of like let them and set them off through their day whether it be all. Listener who's pregnant right now or a listener who would love to be a mom one day or a listener just listening because they think the process of birth is a beautiful thing. So if you could just give like a little piece of something to leave them off with I would be amazing. So Catalina, if you could lead us into the soul sugar moment, that would be awesome. Okay, I would just like to leave you today with a reminder that you have all of the knowledge that you To know within yourself and there is nothing external that you need for the process of birth the memories of your mother's birth. Your grandmother's birth your great grandmother's birth are all inside of your cells in your body and if we can just quiet our minds and listen, you don't know what you might find. I love that because it's true. It's like we are animals at the end of the day and like just like any other animal. They just know how to do it. So, thank you so much and thank you all for listening. Can you please let us know Catalina where to find? Yeah, you can find me on Instagram at Catalina dot Clerk and my website is just Catalina Clark birth.com. Thank you so much. Thank you all so much for tuning in to today's episode. 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