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We're not sure we're going to find out in just a few moments on the Arrow after show. I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now let the buzz is that booze out? Welcome to the air laughter chatter. I wonder you're such a good episode are great. I know Sally Corner Bradford and we are down one host tonight. That is mr. Matt Martis Urt to ours. Are we love him? We'll talk about that later. But of course, I have fabulous ladies with me tonight. I love Sofia low, it's Olivia deep or done Lydia and I'm Carolina bonetti. Yes, Liam and you are Co-hosting with us. Don't forget this side the table belongs to you. So if this is your first time join us in the chat right now live and if not just going to social media hashtag everything a BT B arrow in the future. We will find you. I'll just leave comments below that works too. Either way the show is your show not just ours and we want to hear your opinions. So we're going to start with hashtag who I love to hate. So co-hosts in the chat start now, let me know. I'm in the truck. Ready? I see it. Yeah, which actor was so good at being bad. Yeah. Love to hate love them some started this end of the table. Go ahead Karen for me. It was John. Yeah, I think I felt like a carried through the entire episode and it kind of was like this- point in the episode where he couldn't appreciate the love that he had found in his son Connor and I mean I get it finding out that your other son is a murderer is not Peak every parenting information of the future, but also they know Know how the timeline Continuum mess-ups go. I mean he has a son now instead of a daughter because of flash so why are they telling them the future I couldn't get over that. So I kind of hated the plotline of telling them the future. That's why I love to hate the most it wasn't even an actor. It was the the plot point but then they can change it. My who I love to hate is the monitor because I don't know if you saw that last scene of him telling Laurel to become bad or to betray Oliver. They just why know you I was going to hashtag who I love to hate John diggle to because he was taking me off a lot. I get it a lot to absorb it still. However, I don't want to have the same as yours. So I'm going to say Mia only for the me reason that it was such a bad decision to try to hide the truth like that sucked but you know, I wouldn't like she was the one doing the best job at being in the past. I was like you shouldn't tell them the future. We've all seen how that goes and it did not work out well for Flash. Well, I mean, but then Helen made a mess later. Thoroughly a kids dudes daughter is now a son. Yeah, but now they could have the possibility of changing it. Whoo. I love to hate you in the chat Ivan soda high and I hate the monitor Haywood Wang. Also, I hate the monitor you guys are all on team me. So thanks Michael Blake hate the monitor. Karolina. So so Mateo says Carolina loves to hate Dinah. We already knew that. Yes, like I didn't say her those I know witness. We always say that so it's funny and then Brandon boo, I love to hate Grant because use the one who turned you. J into a psychopath good that was a good one. It's a good one. Awesome. Yeah agreed with all of those. Yes. So overall thoughts of the episode. Obviously the big theme is the future coming to the past. How do we feel about Sons meeting their daughter Sons? I love this episode. I thought it was so great. I love the the coming together of the families. I mean, they weren't really coming together at first and I love the possibility of the future changing and it and Star City actually being a good place to be in the future and I love that Zoe might come back. And you know when we had Andrea I hear she was like, I don't know but now I definitely know I think we know it's really good. Fact if you're a sag actor and your character dies, but they mention your character. That's pay you I really hope so. Yeah, I think they get away with not paying you you're full quote, but they have to pay you if you're mentioned in the script. That's legit. If they like say your name in The Script a full character. Yeah. They say your character name. They have to pay you. I want to be an actor. I mean you make money when you make money, that's yeah, but but yeah, so she's listening all times. It would be suspect suspect if they're just throwing her character named around and paying somebody to not I show up to work and I mean like if that's the situation girl, you are blessed. I love this episode. I really loved it. I loved getting to see Oliver see his children because that's something that's getting robbed of him because we all know that it's going to end tragically like Oliver Queen is not getting a happily ever after I just don't see that happening right? No matter how they change the future. Otherwise, how would Arrow end we would just keep going forever right that being said, And I also don't see how they're changing the past into the future now because they made such a point of it in Flash that they dragged it into Arrow. We had whole episodes on Arrow. We're Barry at a show up at me link. Nice my my my bad and then the disbelief in the beginning to where they went round robin on explaining like that. They were from the future and the past and what year is this and who are we and who are you you're really in disbelief over time travel when there's hundreds of Worlds. Yeah and different dimensions and you have like a little thing in your pocket from Cisco that you can throw and you like warp through come on, but the kids can have that is right. No, no, the kids didn't have that but I'm saying like the whole X like explanation Andre explanation of who and what they were was kind of crazy because I feel like for writing purposes for your audience. I think they're not going to be suspended in disbelief at this point. You're literally taking them to hundreds of different world. Yeah, right. At the same time. I don't think it was necessarily about the fact that the capability of Past coming to see me future coming the past. I think it's more like the disbelief of holy shit. That's nice son. Yeah, you're my daughter. Whoa, the I think that was more for them the big deal and I was just waiting for the other shoe to drop when you the first moment. It's like Dad Dad Dad. You got all these kids saying dad and then you got Renee they're like I said everybody else has got it like a kid. Where's where's my kid? Yeah. I was like, I'm gonna tell em shit and I'm glad I'm glad that they told him because I feel like now he has something to live for but then on the flip side of that is that the thing that turns him bad, you know of the thought of him losing his daughter what when they when it first happened I was like, oh this could be like a bad situation, you know, this could be the turning point for him where he becomes this like corrupt clearly it could be but then I saw him kind of turn into being like actually I need to fight and be a good guy to save her. So right I actually did like I mean, I never fully hated Dinah there were definitely moments when her character first emerged that we were having some moments last season, but I think that she was the wise one of the group and I like that she did have that conversation with both Renee and diggle and have to pull both dads aside and be like look boo boo quit dwelling on XY and Z because we have hope and we can make it better. So I'm not mad at the whole like let's change the past and present and the butterfly effect and knowing that because yeah, and I love that they mentioned the butterfly effect. And then she was like the baby Hitler thing just like what nobody gets that that's funny. It was good. Yeah, but just a quick shout out James. I saw that he said that he is a new subscriber and watch her. So hi James, welcome. Welcome welcome. You'll get used to it. Well speaking of subscribing and watching I want to say thank you to everybody for tuning in we all thank you for tuning in. And we want to keep bringing these shows to you. So, please please please tell your friends. Give us some love down below. Tell us how much you love us. Check us out on iTunes get in there and let us know on the show pages that you love us and tell your friends so that we can keep bringing you a show every single week as we love you. Yeah and leave comments. We're all in the comments. So good job. I do want to break down a little bit more of the diggle and Connor relationship because if you really look at the psychology behind being Connor and all The guilt and weight that weighs on him when he gets to meet Dad and to have that rejection because you know, you don't expect that in your mind. You're like Dad. This has been my dad we've gone through all these things so for you know, William and me and I have their dad and their tearful like, oh my goodness realizations and cons like Dad did was like Dad did was like, I'm not a know what you're talking about, but it is surprising to me that Connor was actually the good guy and like the strong one because and JJ was the one who turned bad because Connor is One who's dealing with all this stuff of like having you know being abandoned and having to go with this new family and and then seeing, you know diggle and being like Ty dad and him being like I'm not really your dad. So and he and he like kind of stayed true the whole time and was like, I understand he was like, I don't know. I was like could shop for Connor I hear who I love to love to this episode of that's why I was disappointed in the writing for John's character because I feel like Giggles usually more sanding. Yeah. He's more of an upstanding person than that. So I was really surprised that he was so Recalcitrant to to see when a lot about his son, you know, it's somebody who's not ready to like jump into it or kind of like pulls back from something that is clearly happening. It was it was really disappointing. I thought it was disappointing character writing for diggle because he's grown so much as a character and we only have a few episodes left. So I was sad but I mean you turned it around, you know, he it was it was probably a shock for him like it would be for anyone but then at the end of He said he liked became the diggle that we all know and love what was also good that Dinah did point out like you're avoiding him. And so he had to come to terms with the fact that yeah, I am blaming someone. Oh by the way, it's me. Yeah, and so we see his guilt over and he because he obviously sees the connection that we've talked about in past after shows in terms of it's such a same parallel. Yeah the dupe two brothers as he had with his own. Yeah. So to know that you sort of passed that on in a weird way is all A lot less you thank you. Brandon. 52 says diggle handled it very well. And JJ ironically says what this is how I would have acted elal. So I mean, yeah, it's a lot of a lot to take in but and then Nano says Dinah is the MVP. Donna did a great job is episode. Yeah. Thanks. Whatever. She said she said Dinah did a great job. Okay. I got my earpiece broke. I mean I give credit where it's due. I'm glad that they're giving her character. It's time to shine because I was really tired. It's not that I dislike the actress and it's not even that I dislike who Dinah could be I disliked what they were doing with our all of last season and I haven't been that crazy on board with her this season because I feel like she's hit and miss. Although we didn't really have to do it right the first time. Yeah, we haven't seen her too much. Yeah, so I've enjoyed it. But that being said can we talk about Laurel? I'm so sick and tired of them constantly making her evil like Black Canary is not evil in the comics. She does not make bad choices in general. What the heck is going on. Why is she constantly the scapegoat? Well, she seems to be doing pretty well in this episode wasn't like evil per se she does admitted that she thought that no. No, I mean at the end when the monitor is like you will betrayal. She didn't say. Yes. We don't know what she's going to do her fault. He approached her. Yeah, she's going to say yes, you could see it in her face. I'm just like come on. You don't know she's going to say yes. I hope she says no, but I just feel like she's always Escape go and I'm like Katie Cassidy girl. I'm sorry. I don't know why they do you like that because you're so great. And your haircut is the MVP of the show. I'm so obsessed with her hair like this platinum blonde look is working. I'm I'm fully onboard matcham. Who says she called all of her dick couldn't stop laughing. I know I was just nothing surprising that they use that language on the CW. I was like, oh we're getting they get away get away with a lot of stuff on TV nowadays. It's surprisingly when we were kids. That would have never never back. When CW was Warner Brothers. Could you guys imagine that being on Dawson's Creek? Right? The language has upped its crazy. Yeah, but do we like her this episode? I mean, I think okay. I know I I loved her I just was really sad when I felt like they're making her the scapegoat all over again. Yeah, I'm usually not a huge fan of hers, but I actually liked her in this episode. I like that. She was kind of I like her and Dinah's relationship. I like the end scene when they were like sharing a burger and I like that she was there for me. I just like she was there for Felicity, right? And the fact that she did bring that up and say like yeah, your mom did this. Yeah. I mean, he's like my mom tried to murder some show ya she knew she wouldn't and I like the conversation that William had with all of our to I mean, let's talk about Oliver. He's in such a different place this whole entire season and I think because he knows that his fate is that he's going to quote unquote die every moment matters to him and he just seems so somber and every time something happens. It's like this puppy dog. Look I feel he was so cute this episode the whole time spinning all and then like the whole coming and they're everyone in the chat is talking about the coming out scene with William that was so that was the sweetest moment. He's like we knew but I was like Ha ha ha. I actually wrote that down as one of my favorite scenes of this whole episode and I want to give a shout-out to the director of Christian Wendell Wendell Wendell wi ND e LL. She's actually the editor of Arrow. If you didn't know if you guys watch a Kristen directed this episode, it's her fifth episode that she's directed in the series was also directed for Flash and legends of Tomorrow fun fact and Agents of Shield. So she's crossed over into marble as well. However, I really thought Thought that the way that she directed that scene was so heartfelt and she made it feel really intimate like as a viewer. I felt as if I was sitting in the room with them having the conversation and I don't think that's something they've ever really done an arrow before I could be wrong, but I don't remember them ever handling somebody coming out. Yeah, right not that way and it was so well done. And that's the response you wish every parent could give their kid, you know, right? It was really beautiful so kudos. CW kudos to the writers and the director just wanted to throw it out there and be like Round of Applause for you guys is fantastic and grassy and Ryan says it was hilarious. When all he thought William had kids. It was so funny. He was like, oh you have you have kids of your own and Williams like no, he's like their blessings and all that but not yeah, whatever that was funny. I did like though when Oliver so after he said, you know, but we knew and I really liked the emotional aspect of him starting to go down the line of the Story of Felicity. I wanted to wait till you were ready to tell us and then and he realized oh shit I missed that. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. Yeah, and I think a lot of that happen this episode and it was nice to see William not necessarily be the parent but be the person of wisdom when it came to dealing with Mia, which I mean that's Oliver dealing with himself and learning how difficult it is to deal with himself, but William saying like no I wanted you to fight harder to See me and you sort of gave up. So don't do that with her. She needs you. It's like I like this a lot. Yeah, it was really sweet. And I like that, you know, I just like all of the the in the relationships that like with Echo column coming back and just like yeah, I don't know. He was just so such a good dad this episode and we haven't we haven't really seen that of him and ever speaking of dads. We have Slade Wilson son. Who is the big bad and I thought JJ came back to the past future. - doggy this episode's got me messed up but sodomy using yeah, you thought JJ came from the future into the present. Thank you. There we go, or why not that's it. He's past our present. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Someone was Grant. I was like, oh and then I thought this show bless this show when y'all cast sons and daughters. Let's say it does. Okay grant grant. Mama must have been like real Caucasian because he looks nothing like his father everything Manu Bennett, but they do have a similar accent. So I was like, okay, I think you may have studied the other actor so good job for you. Yeah, but other than that and then I and then I had that reminder of oh, so he's white again. Hey girl. Yeah. Yeah. She's you know Straight haired little Caucasian girl, but you know and I know so last week some of our co-host in the chat were like, why don't you ask Andre? I'm like no, we don't to be disrespectful like she's great. She got hired because she's talented she made a wonderful Zoe and she has nothing to do with the decision makers who decided no actors have Z. Yeah. Yeah actors have the least amount of power of anyone on a set. Yeah, like honestly the lighting people have more power than the actors. Yeah. That's so true though. But yeah the casting His is interesting sting, but they did a really great job with. Mia oh, yeah. Yeah William are like fantastic casting. They definitely look like they could use their children, right and then they just quit on everything. I mean, I don't think adult William looks like child William. No, I don't have a tall. No, but he does look more like adult Oliver. Yeah, so right is that right? He gets some point like at some point. He classic. He's a billionaire plastic surgery is a thing. Out he had plastic surgery. What? No, I mean like in the shower. I mean, that's what I mean. Not in real life. I didn't mean it that way. No. No, I don't, you know we knew but it is cool that he grew up to be super successful. And again Oliver has that moment where like your oh my God Billie Jean girl agrees with you. I like when I saw the same things always white again, right whatever, you know, it is what it is. Oregano get through it. Yeah, like her name this episode this episode. He had his little fit for like two point two seconds and then He got over and turned into like Team Hope and we're going to change things. Yeah, I first when he started his fit. I was like, here we go again with the old team being like real Annoying and then I literally wrote Renee elal. Yeah, it's his attitude. It was really sweet to see him with Zoe when they were what they ice cream ice cream. Yeah, and and I kept thinking. Okay. So now he's going to go through the rest of his life cherishing every single moment and trying to shelter her which again, Yeah, even brought up. So thank you Renee, but he didn't he died and he realized I was a good everyone is like realizing what they're supposed to be doing. They're going to do the right thing and they're going to change the future and then adult Zoe will be back again. Well, maybe it maybe this is what they needed to hear to realize that all of these Petty power struggles that they've been having with one another isn't worth it because it doesn't fix anything. Yeah, right. Yeah, Matt Shamu says anyone shipping Curtis and and older William. No. They're very very different in age. And also Curtis is married and he has a great beard and Curtis knew him when he was like how old was he supposed to be third down? Yeah, that's a little weird strange like it. I mean, it's cute that William is jealous of his life and like, oh, he's got the perfect everything but don't worry William you'll get there. Yeah, it'll happen one day. I like the way the William. Also those said to Oliver, you know, I've a Texas tell me that when I yakking and that I tend to Brute And whenever I get that from it must be weird. Also hearing your son for the first time being like Oh, yeah, my ex is I'd be like lala. What do you mean? Yeah. Yeah. No don't date people. Yeah, let's you're my little kid. I don't know. This is probably such a weird moment for Oliver in general just like everything just all the serendipitous though because if he is going towards death how many people can say that they would have had the opportunity to speak to their children. Yeah, right, you know and leave them with something. They can remember knowing that you're going to be be gone from their lives at such a young age, right? It was probably weird but it was probably really awesome at the same time well and great that he got to say the things that he needed to say to me about not even just for himself, but for her as a child who felt that her father abandoned him him her abandon her chose to be a hero over a father and it was like such a great moment. I feel like it's a recycled line from like another movie or something where she said, you know, you're just another guy. Getting in my way. Yeah, not my dad. It totally is from somebody's from something. She's got 27 Dresses. You're not my sister. You're just a girl who some girl who broke my heart and tore up. My mother's dress anybody seen 27 dresses with Katherine Heigl. Yeah. I've seen it. How did how do you code it? I don't know. I don't know. Well, you know, I think James Morrison's really hot. So I've seen that movie like at least 800 times. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, Grayson. Ohh Grayson. There you go. Apparently Gracie. I've been saying Gracie and wrong, it's Grayson. Anyway, he or she he he says my heart broke for him when Mia went off on him, and I'm so true. Yeah, I like but also I think it was healthy for her. She needed to get that out of her chest because that's how she's felt and she's pent-up all this anger. So in a way, it's a good therapy for me and I think it's great writing to because that is an honest approach to how a child would feel because when you are a kid, you have to come up with your own conclusions. There's nobody to be Oliver's I didn't Felicity can say all that she wants but when you're a kid again, you see things from your perspective your brain is not capable of seeing things from other people's perspective because it's still developing. Yeah, and it's a story that you told yourself that stays with you into adulthood. Yeah. So yeah, it's excellent that she did get to release its a it and at least he got to stay on your work through it. Yeah his point. Yeah and calm down. He's saving the world the entire world and not just your his world like 12 other worlds. We write a hundred other world because doctors the think there's like a bazillion. I don't know. I mean there's a lot let's talk about her fight scenes though too. Because well first of all she's trained by Nyssa I like we knew that but it's just cool that she threw that to him and I'm sure he though there was no mention of it. I'm sure for him. He was like well, okay. Yeah, you know and to see them fighting side-by-side was so big really cool. That was a great Easter egg. I think for the fans and also like great man James Bamford always lead to fights. He's a fantastic. Yeah, and I felt like they're fighting. Styles were very similar and I don't know if they did that on purpose or not probably but like you could see that their core the way that they thought was very similar to each other and just like seeing them do it together was just like this is such a good moment. Well, they're both came by al Ghul's yeah, you know, yeah, of course, but the moment I got me it's so stupid and so minor but when she pulled back her bow and release and it was like a slow-motion Pantene commercial. Yes, like arrows never done that before that's so weird. Yeah and like also how Does she fight with her hair down all the time later? What like if I were fighting I'd be like wait, let me pull my hair back really quickly it in a bun. I got you put it in a bun because it'd be my mouth and my face little time but yes, just like effortlessly like guys it's a superhero show where people travel through worlds and you think she can't fight with her hair down. That's what we're going to focus on. I'm just saying all the women in the show. I've always thought that because I'll watch him and be like, how did they do that? Like I try to shoot shit and I'm like, I'm not cute. Yeah same but I guess you know their time traveling. So what else can we expect at? The hair is the least of My Prerogative to talk about? Yeah, I've been soda says Oliver and Mia also wearing green is super adorable or is adorable and I was actually green. I thought she was wearing black I thought so too, but maybe she was right. Maybe there's like a hint of green. I think there's like arrows are green. I think there's our yeah, I think there was something green happening Rob's thing. But yeah, I agree. That's super cute. I also want to I just briefly talk about because I think we should get into a lot of ways but I was in say I like the closing scene when we're coming to this conclusion and Renee is wrapping up the show in his video and just talking about the hope and the glaze and how they felt which again arrow is really great about involving like real world politics for lack of better words into their show and I think every Community that's not the super-rich aka the cancer of the world according to Grant but anyway has that moment where they need someone to say like we're done being forgotten about and people give they gave up. Hope on us and we keep on letting them because we make that excuse of like it'll get better in the future. It'll get better in the future. So this whole of the thing like gave him a kick in the butt to say like forget the future. Let's make it now. Yeah. I thought you were going to talk about something else. Well, I got sidetracked. What I was going to say is Deathstroke's speech where he said make the Glades great again. Yeah, I was like, wow, I didn't even know that's not even like subterfuge like anti-trump that is blatant anti-trump. We are literally making our main well semi-main because the monitor the dark monitor is like the main one but the anti-monitor sorry the anti-monitor is like the main big bad. Bad, but main the big bad say the president's go to quote. I like well if you had any doubts where the entire writing staff and production Team Network was on I think you know now right we heard Hollywood are very liberal incorporate it into our content. Well, that's I didn't even realize that that right over my head. No. Yeah, he said it and I was like I was like, well, they're not playing around with this upcoming election. You'll good. No, I mean, it's great. And it it is kind of like in a way, you know the whole idea to make anything great again. This isn't a political Shield. Just let me clear that out. But the idea to make anything great again says that it was tarnished in some way. Right and I don't think that people or ideas get tarnished. I think people can lose their way and I think people can need help but I don't really think that you like fall from greatness like idea. Is don't go bad in this do you know what I mean? You can't really like measure people in greatness with air quotes. I say before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast so you don't miss an episode. Premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. And so I thought that that was a really good thing because what does that mean? What does that look like and it and when we look at the future, it doesn't look like anything. Great, right. It was a lot of corruption worse than things are now right like just ramped it with greed right and all the people that weren't seen it just grew versus spotlighting people that needed help. So I thought that they really did a great job with Renee speech at the end bringing it round robin. Like no circle of him saying let's start with hope now today like not waiting for the future for something else. Let's start with Rams that help us build up our community versus saying like The Glades are trashed the Glades aren't trashed their just neglected red. So I thought that that was just brilliantly done right? It's a great analogy. Yeah, but how disheartening to to be fighting for something your whole life you have Oliver and diggle and all and Renee all of them fighting to make the city a great place. Even these past few seasons. So to have someone from 2040 come and tell you that the city just Is garbage. Yeah, thank you. But here's the thing is I think that that also brings full circle what happened last season and the season before that is they've been at each other's throats for so long that they've lost sight of the bigger picture which is saving the city. They're just at each other's throats with all these little power battles and personalities and points of view over the right way to get it done and the best way to get it done versus saying, you know what we all I want the same thing. How can we work together to get it done? Yeah, and I feel like that's also a really strong message. And that's the message of this episode tying together the seasons that we've been watching. We all want the same thing. How can we all sit down and talk to make it achievable right? I see you keep looking at your screen is nothing going on. My screen is actually Frozen. So I don't know what now, it's gone. But yeah what I was going to say when he first started Renee speed, Each I was like it kind of gave me a little bit of a sour taste in my mouth because I knew like what he was going to turn into in the future, but then I was like, okay, well that could change to change but when he started that's I just remember thinking like man don't don't get up there and start talking all your stuff that you've been saying because I know you end up bad but then I was like, okay actually we can change this but also to the cool thing is is those kids came back and tell him why he turned bad. Yeah, this happened and you allowed this to influence you because the corruption cool Well, then, let's stop the corruption now so I don't get myself into that position in the future. Sorry, it finally started working all of a sudden. Oh, that was me talking. Yeah. Hi me in the past. I'm time traveling. All right where I was going with all of that, which is relevant to a really great conversation. So thank you guys, but really I was just going to say we wrap that episode with his vo and then we get to see everyone coming together because we did have that Moment with the two canaries after finding out that there is a canary Network which I love ya love that. And so it's like them going like well, let's start this now, you know, and then you've got diggle and Connor duking it out with the sticks and I was like Matt Maroni dying. So sad Matt wasn't here for this episode just because of like a what we're going to show you in archers alley, he was screaming at home because of what that fight scene was like come on. My mat was would have been screaming. Oh, well, he's not here, right? We wish you well you guys hop on a social media. Tell him to get better. He actually he went out of the country came back and then just did not feel very good poisoning. Yeah. Alright. So anyways, we love him will send him while I shout outs. Okay, so my chats backup. Yay. Brandon says, I noticed that the monitor hasn't asked Oliver to do something new yet. So what I mean, what do we think? Why is the monitor not saying anything to him feel like the monitor because he is a quote unquote God. Yeah. He hears all that he sees all so he knows are ready. Yeah, he's in the process of being betrayed Oliver's out to stop him now. So he's obviously lost all of her to his lie, like it's so maybe he's like, alright cool. You're going to die. Anyway, so you just run amok try to stop me. You're not going to but hey, let me list somebody else because he's already worked with Leila. We know that from past episodes. And now that we like this to me that short scenes solidified his intent because already Team Arrow was speculating. He could be bad. Yeah, but this is like that absolute positive doodle. You're a bad guy. You're asking us now to betray him. So that now makes me question. What the heck did he bargain with whatever for anyway, but interests the anti-monitor in the monitor be two halves of the same hole could be okay. Another question that the chat has is when will the kids go home basically, or are they going to go home? No, I mean that we obviously know that there. Gonna be the next episode since we saw the preview for next week, which is great in Arusha looks cool. Maybe they're like, sorry. No. No you go ahead and I was like Oliver takes a shot for me. So yeah, maybe they're gonna stay together until the crisis. That'd be great. They don't go home at all. That'd be great. I'd be I'd be down to see them go through crisis as well as add all the superheroes into it. Yeah superheroes. Yeah them together. That would be crazy. That would be wild. Anyway, that's all well I feel like we covered. So the show I know we have archers ality. We've got some really cool tidbits in that and our news and gossip. So we're going to go ahead and do that. But in your mind's get prepared for those predictions because you're going to have to post them in the chat. Yeah, let's go archers alley. Hi guys. So I want to thank DC Comics first and foremost last season. I don't know if you remember but they sent us boxes and boxes of Arrow comic books from New 52 from the new tie line. I've got original Arrow. It's all for you guys for Archers alley and this week I decided to bring in some of the comics that are actually hello. Hi. So if you're if you're watching the podcast on AfterBuzz YouTube, you'll see that I've got some photos of the actual Comics. I'm going to describe them to you for everybody who's driving their cars getting the next day. It is ABS on ABS on ABS. It's all you need to know Arrow season 2 .5 is the comic book number and it is Steven in. On the cover looking very ripped very shirtless, very very very delicious and inside I wanted to show you that it is completely cover to cover Color Comics and if we could go back to the last picture, so the second picture is actually diggle also shirtless for Matt Maher. Yes. I actually pulled that specifically for Matt Maher because he loves his milk chocolate and I wanted to give it to him, but he's not here, so he's going to have to tune in and watch and see what he missed. In person, he you could have touched this mat and you didn't but for everybody at home this follows the season to storyline so you can actually buy the comic book versions of your favorite seasons. And then on the next one, it's just a really cool picture of the original team Arrow because again, it's season two, right? So you've got Felicity. You've got dig all you've got Thea on their Haiti back with her long hair when she was the original Black Canary before she died before all the craziness. And sued Speedy is back there. You know, it's just one of those things where if you're a big fan, it's really nice collector's edition. I'm sure you can find it on eBay. You can get it in comic book stores. But yeah, so it's incredible. So oh and also I brought it in because I wanted to say technically Felicity is now a comic book character you guys because there were comic series made out of the actual TV seasons and guess who's in them follow. It so guess who's a comic book character officially with DC Comics fall. Listen Papa. That's really why I brought this one and I just wanted to Felicity Justice and you know, dig always shirtless. So that was for cheaper to melt. Yeah, well diggle, I mean mainly it was diggle for Matt Maher to time to teach to ours. But yeah, it's great. I really hope you guys check them out. I mean DC has gone above and beyond to like Food their TV series into the comment. Yeah, really neat. Yeah. If you have a chance if you listen on the podcast and you want to check it out, it's towards the last 10 minutes of our show get on there and look at the photos because I think it's really worth it. Especially if you're a collector and what a memory of the Season honor though to be a part of a television show that's broken so many boundaries that has spun off so many different other shows and now like it. It's the first show that Has gone on to have a comic book with it and I have something like that. Like that's a really big deal. Yeah, it's really cool. It's really cool to see them all come to life. Yeah, well and even for the actors without of those actors, I mean they'd worked before but this has been such a prominent role in their careers and their lives. So that's really neat for they're literally in a comic now. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I think it's time to get some noodles. Okay. So since Matt's not here, I'm doing news and gossip. And since you're talking about Felicity, this is the best news ever. I'm sure you guys saw but it was all over the news this week that Emily Bett is going to come back as Felicity Smoak new and you heard it here. Yeah. She's gonna be back for the final episode Stephen Amell tweeted. He said they'll there's going to be a lot of news coming out about our final episode of the next few months. I prefer when you hear it from us, welcome back Emily. Oh my gosh. - and then Marc Guggenheim who's the producer also said executive producer and he's like that. Yeah for you. He said we couldn't be happier or more thrilled. No other way to do our finale you'll find our you'll find out more about the old friends reuniting in coming weeks. Very exciting. The next little piece of news that I found was there is going to be a new CW spin-off called for a for Superman and Lois Lane. I Going to be called Superman and Lois Lane. Yeah, so it's a new superhero series featuring Superman the Supergirl actors. Tyler Hoechlin and Elizabeth are going to be the famous DC couple according to a report and then Tyler Hoechlin posted his on his in which people probably know Elizabeth tulloch known as bitsy from Grim. Yeah. Yeah, so he posted on his Instagram and he said he couldn't be more grateful for the opportunity to tell his story. That for now shall remain a secret, but I've been but basically he's alluding to this. He said I've been blessed with nothing less than the most wonderful people to do it alongside up. I couldn't ask for a better partner than bitsy and all of this. I've already learned so much from her and I know that I won't stop anytime soon. So thank you Greg berlanti and everyone else who brought her as Lois Lane, but on a side note, can you imagine how crazy is an actor you go in to audition for Supergirl? Yeah knowing that you're just going to be a one-off maybe recurring character because it is super girl. Yeah, right. Q what are we going into season four of Supergirl? Yeah, three four four, I think for ya que Four Seasons Supergirl a couple recurring episodes later and they're like, yo you get in the Shou Bou. Yeah. I know. What a napkin your own. Yeah, so it's I mean so look out for that. It's going to come it's going to be awesome. Very excited for that. Okay, as you guys know Halloween was this past weekend. Yay. So I wanted to show you some of our favorite aerostars in their costumes. This is Steven. Amel and his wife as son is it the Frank or the beans that's his comment. So I thought it was really cute. Wait son is franker the beans it's I think it's a it's a reference to a movie in the chat. Let me know what Mom. Well the next one. Let me know who you guys think. This is that's not Colton Haynes, although I know he does some pretty crazy ish. Okay. Is that is that Mia Agron? Who do you think it is? I don't know. I'm not good at that. I don't even recognize. If I'm real life let alone another costume. Okay, you're right. It is a Mia. Yeah. So if you go to the next one it is she posted on her Instagram. She's the girl from The Ring. Is that what she was? Yes. She was the girl from The Ring so some Mara tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's who she was. I thought she did a great job. I was like, I don't know what how she did that, but kudos to her. You look creepy and I would never come you in a million years. And then the last one I thought was meet very mediocre. Do you want to be cute guys? Juliana was I think it's a sloth so No, write a 1 Z 1 Z sloth one the PJs but you know you tried she was comfortable comfortable comfortable and let me tell you all that face makeup. I've done it before because I went into the Corpse Bride one year with a white make itches. Yeah so bad. So let me tell you cat McNamara by the end of the night was miserable because that pitches it drives you crazy and it's really thick makeup. It is hard to get off. So, you know what Julia? Kudos to you because you rolled around in a cute pajama were like I have to wash my face and I can go to sleep at night. So yeah cute little Halloween outfits for them fun of it is that all the ones they had: geumsan have like I looked on his and I couldn't find his I know usually he goes wild but I think you got in trouble recently for stuff that he's done. So I think he might have not posted anything because he's gotten he's done some not very smart and you know, I mean like side no, and I don't recall if we talked about on the show or not, but he Had done an interview and he was just talking about how most of his life has been spent not sober and I think people were criticizing him a little bit about because the fact that you know, if you have seen him recently on the show, he's put on a little weight, but what we didn't realize is in the past that he was constantly on something and that's why he was a little bit on the thinner side. So for him to just Clean himself in his everything, you know, so that could be the cause of it. But he dealt with some major depression and I just I guess I didn't even realize how frequently he was reliant on some things. Yeah to get him through just life in general. So, you know a lot going on especially with him having that ordeal of trying to figure out how to come out if he could come out because people were pressuring him to just maintain a certain Persona because of his career. Yeah and being told that if he didn't that he Fail yeah, you know it's a lot I think and this is very specific to Hollywood. And Ela image is everything. Oh, yeah, and it's a disease. It's something it's really terrible and I feel like people who you don't even mean to buy into it by into it because you're so brainwashed that the subliminal messaging is just continuously there and it's really sad to hear that because I find that like a lot of the depression the anxiety and the abuse comes from this unbelievable pressure to look a certain way right that nobody can look at all times nobody and it's it being from New York and having worked in theater and like having seen my friends who do film and TV there. It's not the same. It's like yeah the pressures kind of there to look good. But mainly the pressure is to be undeniable in the room right a good ya know to be the best like in New York. That's the disease is you can't just be good you have to Be the best you have to like knock them off their chairs in your performance. And in London, it's really about the craft. You know, they put so much steak into people's resumes and to where they train to they train with where they're working what projects they're taking and in ela. I mean, I know people who literally don't even know the lines but because they have the look that is currently in demand. They're like, I don't even know the Lions and they They gave me a lot of words. I really hope they don't change the script when I get there verbatim. I know a girl that said this that worked on and she works all the time because she's stunning. Yeah, but she's not very good. But she ain't gonna win no Awards ever. I'll tell you that right now and Beauty only last for so long. This is why a lot of these people you see them work a lot in these like teen and 20 years and then they fall off because Hollywood Banks so much on looks and they don't invest in the craft of their actors. I'm not That this is happening specifically on Arrow. I just mean in general and Los Angeles and Hollywood. This is a disease and if I can break it in some way shape or form even a little piece of the world. I will yeah. Well, I mean, I'm glad that Colton was able to step out of it. And you know, yeah, I'm better and talk about it. He's working and he's doing better and he's you know, he went through so much and now he's he's on the straight and narrow is right and he's still working so I didn't worked out for I'm glad I'm happy for him because yeah seems like a great guy. Ditto, so let's get into predictions real quick. Yeah. This is an incredible email that we just got on the Arrow production chain from Matt Maher. So this week I'm gone and we have a diggle shirtless. Yeah. Yeah, sad face not only not only a shirtless but a Connor shirtless, dude. Yeah fighting. Uh, anyway. Yeah. So while I mean we sort of got the AfterBuzz Prediction remove snow. Let's just get into it co-host you had an assignment did they did not follow through there were no but in their defense they were following our conversation. Okay? Okay. Well, they're they're they're up to date with us. But now give us your prediction. It is time for the production prediction. Okay what we saw on the preview that obviously the kids are still there for the next episode. We saw that they're going to rush so I predict we're going to see you. Anatoly and I told the open Live wait what's going on? Hold on. It's been a while people at going on with the timeline to season 4 episode 4. What do we get from season? Four Curtis season 5 will dictate a little bit of what happens in this fifth episode. So that wasn't a really good prediction, but that's a go back and do your homework they watch something today and then you'll know what's gonna know but you're right. They did say that every season isn't every episode as an Ode to a season. Yeah. My prediction is more of an overall prediction that I don't think that we know the whole story of the Monitor and they're going to peel back this onion bit by bit with every episode like we got the little Easter egg of him at the end and I don't think the anti-monitor and the monitor all that different from one another. All right. Hm interesting. Yeah Henderson. My prediction is that we're the kids are going to stick around for longer than we think maybe to the End okay, my nan prediction observation because I forgot to say it earlier. But now that we talked about each season representing or uses me each episode representing a season. I think it's really interesting that they did not bring the original Black Canary into episode. I think three two or three when we saw caity Lotz because K loss is still part of the family and she's in legends of tomorrow. So, how did you not get her to come back? Which had an anyways, I was just a weird. Listen the fat lady hasn't sung yet. But I think the saying goes I hope I see her anyway, but terrible news. Oh it's frozen again. So I'm going to have to have Ryan I can I can read them, right? Yeah sometime are popping up Igloo. It's finally happening. Nevermind. Sorry, I you're fine. Right when I said that it started scrolling. Okay Brandon, I predict that me and Oliver are going to fight through the entire bratva. Maybe fight through the entire bratva. Maybe with the help of Slade Wilson. So want them to continue to bond and for me to learn from her dad, I just saw another one Ivan soda prediction the monitor will reveal he's been testing everyone decided to spite looking evil. Okay, maybe but I think he's evil Grayson says I predict that the future kids or some of them will be trapped in the past permanently. Hence the canary spin-off series. Oh you are smart pack didn't even occur to me. Yeah, Oh Captain shock says I think we will be introduced to the anti-monitor the week before crisis Thun Thun Thun Thun don't don't don't that's all. Okay. So then you just sparked and inspired a prediction for me. So then if Mia get stuck behind to be part of the canary team because obviously she's one of three that would make sense. Then I predict there's some sort of sacrifice situation that happens and she sacrifices herself. To stay behind so that William can go forward and be part of his present time line and find love and be happy and that's okay. Yeah, I think I think we've talked over time but that's because we just had a great time with this discussion. So I'll turn it to the front and say thank you guys so much for those of you who joined live and co-hosted with us. Yeah, you get next week. 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Its Ladies Night! Join hosts ALikona Bradford, Olivia de Bortoli, and Carolina Bonetti as they break down the family issues and deathstroke fights when kids come back to the present in Season 8 episode 4 of Arrow. ABOUT ARROW: Arrow is an American television series developed by writer/producers Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg. It is based on the DC Comics character Green Arrow, a costumed crime-fighter who was created by Mort Weisinger and George Papp. It premiered in North America on The CW on October 10, 2012, with international broadcasting taking place in late 2012. The series follows billionaire playboy Oliver Queen, portrayed by Stephen Amell, who, after five years of being stranded on a hostile island, returns home to fight crime and corruption as a secret vigilante whose weapon of choice is a bow and arrow. Unlike in the comic books, Oliver does not go by the alias "Green Arrow" in the television series. Arrow also features appearances by other DC Comics characters. 