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No, you wanted to bring up something before we continue on to pews latest dramatic. And so yeah, this was kind of an emergency thing just because Pew did some nonsense and I was like, we need to we need to talk about this here. Yeah a hot mess. But oh so a couple of things first off. I got a wonderful Nani in the inbox yikes. Hold on and they said Said and it was funny because Philip was like I don't like those posts, but I was like, I don't necessarily like them as post but I do like them as a podcast and I think it would be fun to do. Oh it says, you know, I don't really like an episode of BHD just about how you guys would have made different creative decisions. If you were in control of Teen Wolf like a Teen Wolf rewrite cast or something. I really miss your podcast, by the way. Thanks. You guys will be coming back very soon, but I like that idea. We just taking maybe kind of like one thing per season that we would have changed and how we would have liked how we think it would have made kind of the difference and I think that could be a lot of fun. So and of course our opinions will be our own. But yeah, I think it would bring like either cold Jocelyn or Lisa for that. Yeah that too that'd be fine. So yeah, we have a lot of good opportunity one. But like just across the board. I think I've said this before but what would have been interesting is if the Teen Wolf had actually been a girl. Mmm a day the hunter was the guy. So Allison would have been a guy Scott would have been a girl and Derek would have been girl and then they could have really played up that love triangle there the love triangle between the werewolf relationship and the hunter relationship and then maybe the human release cute the human relationship could have been like Styles would have still been a guy and so you have the human who's into you you have the werewolf was into you and you have a hunter who's into you that would have been like a cool. Like, what is it? It's the lowest on it. Look at the gun. It's like a quadrant with like four sides by drangle. Yeah quad but yeah, like I mean, I think that would have been interesting because Teen Wolf we already knew it as a guy's story. We had big Wolf on Campus was right a guy's story. That would have been a nice Twist on it because I mean I know back then there weren't going to do a slash I mean a gay show. So I mean that could have been a good way to get a handle on it. That would have been very interesting to I think my season one remake what honestly it's just revealing Jackson as Peterson. That might be season 2 and really Plinko how I would have changed things after Jackson left instead of what they did Neville lots of ideas about that. I mean, they just should have never lost Colton to in the first place. Well, hey, but well, but then the problem is they definitely Should have and he was ready to go and need it to be out of that environment which sucks but in general. But was that what that was do you think I think it was? I honestly think yeah, that's that's another podcast. That's a podcast. We got to have Terrence a mic for because they got some thoughts about that too. That's going to be a real messy one. He's robbing be like hi. Welcome to fandom fight. This is I guessed a b and c right? I'm like, it's gonna be great. Because sorry we all have real jobs. Now. We can't afford to talk shit like this. Anyone can suck a dick my God. Am I not animus? So, oh I would have brought in Theo a lot earlier. Oh, yes. Well, like I would have made the Theo thing a see what a brother Geo in a lot earlier, but I would have kept the timeline at that time so that there's a change because Has he needed to have more of a trust and a rapport with Scott first got to just blow off everybody for him God. That would have been me imagine if all of season four was just Theo undercover, but we didn't really know what he was doing. Can you imagine exactly that would have been so good until the middle of season 5 and then I was like, oh shit exactly because even like when Jennifer came on a lot of people are like, oh no I saw her up there trying to be nice and smiley. I Automatically she was evil but I'm like you give us Theo and for an entire season he is part of the pack and then he's like I got you. Yes, because Theo is such a missed opportunity. Especially I didn't even watch season 6, but I know that they did him just ridiculous who said it that Theo is everything Malia should have been I think about coal right? Probably and me. It's so true because That was like probably what would have saved Malia as the character if they had done that and he should have been Jackson's son. Honestly, if we're doing this, you know what I'm not Jefferson award. He should have been but guess I would have worked so well and oh wait, I can't give that away and everybody look. anyhow Give it away. Ha ha ha well, so I also had this other a non on my thing. That was given me a lot not a lot of group of they're like, well, I had Glen the reason he took Superman basically is what they were trying to say is because he you know, he's never gonna get shipped with a slash ship with Superman. It's never going to be mainstream or part of the national conscious of him having us Last Ship, but I'm like hey, West Eric, I mean like I guess it was but I mean to this extent like it's such a weird thing to say it's was it that traumatic for him, right? Exactly. It's kind of like no, I mean, it feels kind of like it was like, I hate it because saying that because I love Hoechlin mmm, um, I think it's uncomfortable and whether it's uncomfortable because he's straight and it's just kind of weird to explain that to like family and friends. I wore because he's gay And he's like cod they can tell exactly either or but I don't nobody's going to turn down Superman, right? Exactly. But oh Superman you have a penis never mind. Thankfully. I don't think that played into it all people already do ship. Yeah Superman with James and James with Lexington when the first one him and when they should that like crazy. Someone in a profession was a speed with the flash Barry The Flash and Batman and like I mean probably over ships Galore that like it might not be the biggest, you know, it might not be as big as steric or whatever it is. But just because I Tyler Hoechlin since version of Superman hasn't gotten there yet exactly but it will ask is my what's this new season, especially because we do know it's going to be very lowest centered and he's going to be kind of taken that Background anyway, it's so it's like, okay. Well submissive plus Tyler Hoechlin. Yeah, it's going to be a GAF. What's Clark doing all those times? He's just off and away but you know, that sterics are going to start constructing a - Wayne. Yeah files identity and it's going to be Batman and Superman all day long how they already have my terminal. Yeah. Yes, Spider-Man. They already have the chips ready. Exactly. And then the name Louis line is everything and even Jimmy. Sometimes they'll just cast him as Jimmy and I'll be Styles. Oh my God. I can't I'm waiting and I'm here in case to come up with that with that pissed off post like how dare you replace all and of color. There's already one to satisfy your ship. Oh Jim, it won't because He's not even a man of color in in that verse he is but like in the books, so it's like he could be whatever you want them to be which is the point but AI are you erase? What's his name mxc? What's that guy's name eggy, what eggs actor my cat? Mehcad Brooks? Yeah. Yes. I love him eggs. He's known as eggy. So I just don't say to hear ya. I didn't even realize he was Jimmy for a long time until teller had closed like my brother like oh Tyler. Oh, wait. What is this? I heard in the somewhere that think what doesn't follow Tyler Hoechlin. He's got it. Or peanuts or two. What do you think? He just follows is private one. It doesn't follow his public one. I think that if sink would doesn't follow Hoechlin then it's because he knows Hoechlin never post and if Hoechlin has something going on Hoechlin. We'll just text him. It's like this social media life ain't for you, homie, but let's check it out. He saw that one post for that camp that hiepro may seem like absolutely look if your Instagram is going to be full of this. Unfollow, she's like no, thank you. Okay, here we go. Where is he in the now this is what you do when you hear rumors verify is you go to the source and you verify them and it is not that hard to do and yet some people single follows 21 people. That is nuts. Wow, I know. Okay. Let's see. Okay, so if he only follows 21 people that I'm not worried about it. Yeah, that might be what it is. But tank that is that some really streamlined following right there, but I don't even show that Tyler Hoechlin follows him, but we know it will either we know he does because he comments constantly or he just picks a day and he's like, I'm going to follow sink. Whoa, I'm gonna sit with think was up to Who are these? Oh my God, I fell asean. That is a wild set of people y'all. Okay, I mean got speed so maybe sink was just like, oh I know if heck was ever going to post Ian's going to post about it first. Exactly. Yeah again 2 and 1/2 and what messy Good Times Alright, so you want to get into this Pew nonsense? I think I have the post up he how did you even find the comment on this fing 90? Good night, Aunty. Okay. Yep. So the good nany went ahead and sent us some information as we went to go look and it was a link to a comment thread on an AO three thick and the stick is just like it's like 200 and some words. It's Me about Scott. It seems like someone had a cute idea and they just went with it or like I need to capture this and it kind of is kind of complete all on its own. It's like a slice of life. It's just like a little kind of introspective kind of Peace where you're just kind of seeing what he's going through at this very particular moment. And it's Cannon, you know Divergence with like a rewrite of Cannon kind of merged and simplified and Pew decides to write an alternate ending to the thick with as very sorry. Our cast accrued comment about how relationships aren't contracts and blah blah blah blah. We want to read the comment or do we want to leave it vague? I almost I mean I was like we could almost read the Fick but okay very quick. It's kind of recap. So Styles has gone missing and Scott remembers telling Styles. Goodbye said he's been quiet for a long time, but Scott never ask. Because yet bigger worries going on specifically like getting Allison's dad. So like him avoiding Derek working at dedans Etc. So basically he just lost track of styles. He thought Styles would be fine. Usually he was but now he was gone. He was vanished Without a Trace Scott went to go gather the pack after its share filed a missing persons report, but the pack was gone to and now in this pack. She's lists, Erica Boyd Isaac Jackson Lydia, Peter and Derek. Eric and all of them have vanished as well. So then Scott is sitting in the Loft and trying to figure out what it means and he realizes he's an Omega now and without having a pack, you know, the Lone Wolf dies, but the pack survives it cetera the end. That's it Prince escalus words goes into the comments and he puts and then Scott remembered that he'd met new friends in a new pack with Kira. Our Cinema Leo Liam Hayden Mason Corey and Alec and his mother and they all went out for ice cream because Scott remembered that friendships are not contracts and that his Alpha power came from him and no one else and if people don't treat him, right he can go out and find new friends the end what did shirk like this thick didn't end with like and what do you think happens next? Like it's like you either like it or you did. Didn't like I and if you did it, you know the rule in fandom is this you just don't say shit. Mmm. Well, honestly, yeah, like the only time in fact the only times I've had occasion to comment and not an mostly positive way is if there is something that needed to be tagged or if there is something that is just like egregious like I was reading one thick of the n-word was in it and I was like, hey guys Love your fake and even then I was very complimentary. That was like what what what purpose does this serve because it seems kind of out of place. He was like, oh my God, that's my autocorrect. I'm so sorry and when it changed it, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, he was a teenager I believe so no, I don't know what he was trying to write. That's the hilarious or was it and these are who know? I know it had nothing to do with any of that. It was just like slap bad in the middle and I was like, whoo. Whoa, okay. Why does your Autocorrect have the proper form of that word so funny and so like I understand stuff like that. Now I've also been on the receiving end of comments where I had one guy coming and he was like, oh, I just don't like this and you know, I'm going to give it a little bit more then like a few chapters later. He was like nopes didn't get any better. It's I replied that I replied and I was like, okay, so is there something that I can do to make this better or just Overall, you don't like it and seems just like overall. I don't like it. I was like, okay. Well, this one's not for you. Feel free to move on, you know, but I'm not going to deconstruct this entire fig based on your random, you know, just like and sound like if unless there's something really light more, you know, like morally objectionable, you know, if I'm like kill all the gays then you can say something but if you see and I've said this before or I'm from the older times like fanfiction.net livejournal where the comments were a lot more constructive criticism right where it was always looking for an opportunity where an author could build up whether it was an interesting side plot that they may not have considered in this one story that they may want to consider for others or, you know, always kind of something like that in on fanfiction.net. The comments used to be called reviews right just like book review. They can be whatever the hell that story provoked that of you. Hmm, and that that makes sense. It is what it is. There's a difference between tearing apart our work and tearing apart the author there is a difference but that changed after what it was is strikethrough and all that stuff like that. It got a little bit more like Can be just around the same time. I don't think they're related. But like I think people started realizing like okay, you just need to leave positive positivity on Fick build it up because you don't know what age someone is you don't know if this is their first fake or not or their first time with this ship or whatever it is and it's counterproductive to having a lot of fan work if we're just tearing each other to Pieces. Honestly, I think what happened is more and more people started writing and then started receiving. Thing that feedback and they're like, oh maybe I could have presented this in a better way. Now. What I will say is the problem again with peace comment is not just the comment but the fact that he loves to throw out. Oh, you guys haven't watched the show maybe try re watching the show blah, but I'm like you clearly didn't read this fish because if you have know that Curative his reading comprehension is so bad for like a under 300 word factly. What was it for the entire series of people means that he was mad going into it, but I'm like that's not this person's fault. And I said you have no idea what Scott's growth was going to be where it was going to go where it come from. So you just ran this girl over the rails and then mention like caramelly Olli I'm Hayden Mason Corey and Alec none of who were even existed in this point of where this Vic was set. And some just like he named who the pack was there wasn't anyone outside of that dude. He even named Alec who we don't even know whether or not he was in the pack or not. And for those of you who don't remember who Alec is you shouldn't because he was only in the last episode of Teen Wolf and he was the one that heck Posey was telling the story of Teen Wolf too in the last episode. So I'm like we have no idea because you know, when you're being saved from Hunters who want to kill you what you want to hear. Somebody else's sob story over the course of Three years. And so yeah, it's just it's very infuriating. Especially he says that oh Scott remembers that friendships are not contracts and his Alpha power came from him and no one else but that's not true. His Alpha came from his personality which was shaped by of course his parents but also by his friends and the people that he surrounds himself with and yes, he does have kind of like an innate compassion. But it takes more than that. I mean Scott only became who the show says he is the support of people like Styles the sheriff Melissa Allison and then everyone else around him exactly. Like he really didn't do it on his own because given his own druthers. He wouldn't have done it at all. He was trying to find a way to get a cure because he just where to hide he wanted to play lacrosse he with Allison and just ignore the fact that he could turn into a werewolf, which makes sense. He's a teenage boy. He's a Teenage Human boy at that point. That's what he wanted to do. So it's like, of course sense until the point you find out that someone's coming to kill you and I'm like, yeah, then it's just denial and it's delusion which ridiculous and the thing is that you find out that someone's coming to use him to kill a bunch of people like what the second episode. Right. Yeah, he doesn't have a very long learning curve, but he takes it at a hundred miles an hour. It's just and I think the problem was that Tyler Posey didn't have the skill to project that kind of nuance that you needed to show that bit of selfishness at odds with what you know, I kind of blame it if that is the responsible thing. I kind of blame it twofold though because I think while he didn't have that skill. Gil I think that that could have been used to his Advantage I think that's around the time that the show tried to start getting high brow and then they just gave him way too much and it's like these are emotions that you didn't hire him to evoke these emotions. You didn't hire him to be this kind of person you hired him to be the sweet innocent puppy that gets like corrupted not the you know, all knowing all being omnipotent. True Alpha. Oh no, like I mean like I'm not talking about season 1 season 2 Like that should those two feelings should have been at odds with each other the feeling of okay. I just want my old life and I just want to you know be a kid and God, you know, I'm the only I'm one of the few people who has the power to do something about it and that makes it my responsibility and those things should have been at odds with each other throughout the seat for throughout the seasons and it really wasn't it was like you could tell once he's like, oh, I'm supposed to want to save everyone in this scene. Oh, I'm just concerned about Allison in this scene. He didn't know how to merge the two there was still in did with Styles without Direction exact. Well, he didn't know how to prioritize and the thing was that we rarely saw if he loves to try and paint Styles as being selfish but a lot of styles actions always are about other people. They're never about Styles never has a point where he's like, I just want to be left alone. I don't want to do this anymore. He Always is kind of in the business now whether or not that's for his own self validation. That's one thing but we see time and time again. He is very altruistic. Yeah, I mean Styles didn't have that moment. He had it a little bit during magic bullet, but that was more like a facade right of like I don't care if Eric died no real time that he had. It was season 2 after he gets beat up by Gerard and he wants to make right that's called exactly up. Upset and he's hurt and he's vulnerable. That's a moment. He has it and he um, he continues to have that moment with Lydia until he's like what the hell am I doing? And he's like, come on. Let's go right and there's a progression of growth. That's a progression growth. Yes, you could tell that in those moments were Styles as being selfish. He knew he was being selfish. Mmm and you could feel the war inside of him. But if you look at the script itself, it's not really there. Right, if you're if you're an intelligent person, you know will obviously, you know, human emotions aren't singular well and so that's kind of the other part of this because he says oh friendships are on a contract but they're also not homogeneous. We know in Canon the Scott Stiles relationship is one of the most important on the show now, whether however people feel about Scott regardless the cannon has is supposed to be putting through that. Is one of the most important things so Scott's relationship of Liam is not going to be the same Scott's relationship with Mason is not going to be the same as thousands got it doesn't hold the same amount of weight, which we know because they hate it so much. They want to try to paint Styles as a complete villain and they put so much important on Styles as being the negative influence in that relationship where it's like well no that's not supported by can regardless of how you twist every single scene now that said there are different reads two scenes because I remember I told I think I've said this before that I've watched the show and halfway through I got a different read on their friendship now the show that wasn't intended but it's what happened, you know, and then of course season 5 comes and then they just blow everything out of the water and I think that's why for some people it was so abrupt because We had what was supposed to be a stable relationship that got dealt a way for a plot line. That wasn't very good in the first place. I think was is that for me? I never interpreted. The in the relationship is very stable to begin with. I mean, we have the Lydia kiss and the first scene while Styles me don't have ownership of her. He Scott new house tiles felt about so rude. I was it was it was unimportant to him. It's not like he actually like, oh, I want to be with Lydia. Like, you know, it was just like I want to do what I want at and at the expense of anyone else as a side note. I hate when people so when Malia and Scott were trying to start dating and are like, oh Styles going to be. Okay and Jeff was like, oh we don't do this. You don't date the pack nonsense. We don't do that, but I'm like no you don't do that. And there's a specific reason why you should not date crazy in your friend group because it's not going Dear friend group for very much longer when it comes to relationships. I mean, it's just a natural human reaction to those things. You can be as logical as you want. I think this is the first time where it really showed that Jeff has a writer was gay because he had these people like messing around with in the friend group. And yeah see he's not get away with that stuff right and straight groups of friends in gay groups of friends. It kind of happens a lot more than you would think it does but it's very awkward and he didn't agree. It is very awkward with strikes me that Jeff is the type of person to date his friends exes and not his friends that his ex has exactly one hundred percent. That's hilarious. Do you want to talk about the way Pew sees a relationship? You said? It's pretty stream like a fine line like it's just in steady the most Most passionate meaningful relationships that I've ever had have been the most dynamic relationships in my life as well where we have really high highs and sometimes we get close. Yeah, and there's a difference between the toxic relationship where it's like you never know where you're going what you're getting exactly either the highest peak or the lowest Valley but real relationships, you know, it's going to be up and down will you take turns draining and Feeding each other and so there comes a point where your energies it has to do with the give and take of your energy. And if they're taking too much that's on its toxic. Yeah, and I said this is someone earlier I was like look some of the cruelest meanest things I've ever said to anybody have pretty much been to the people I care about and love the most because they're the only people who can hurt you the most right? Yeah the get you to that point and it's not something I'm proud of but it's just the reality of most people's relationships. And very few people are lucky to have that best friend who's just perfect throughout the whole life, right and no one does now that is one thing. I am very careful about in terms of like saying things because like I am the opcom pleat opposites like I will cut out a stranger but I will never you know, do my best friend just because I'm like, oh, I know I would be super her if they ever said that to me but I understand, you know kind of the flip side of that. Yeah. I mean like for me, it's just I would I would only let a friend Drive me to a point to that point that point because I would never let a stranger get that close. Right and that's as going to say is that it's just a difference in the way that you relate to each other and that's part of what that friendship is figuring out how you relate to each other and that's going to come with its blips. You know what I mean, but like regardless of what we've seen Stiles and Scott go through they consistently remain loyal to each other and When we have the progression does he though of does who to who the Scott really remain loyal to Styles? Because I think if we really look at it, he kind of disappeared disappears whenever he doesn't need anything and then he needs styles again. It's like oh my God, I just feel like Scott. The only reason why Scott didn't have to go searching for Styles was because Styles never went anywhere, but I feel like Stiles had to look for. Scott quite a bit but even when styles did leave it was styles that came back Scott didn't call him to get him back and I thought that was very interesting. I think what the aunties do especially is that because Scott is the true Alpha they expect everyone to kind of cater to him and to kind of anticipate those needs. So of course Styles always shows up for Scott and why would Scott have to show up for Styles? He has so much else going on you. Not the worst expectation to have like when your characters the main character right just like when steric is the main character in a pic. I expect that every other character is simply just exist to further further the main character story. Now, if you write your main character correctly, then they never really get put on the spot for doing the worst things because why would you try to make your reader or viewer dislike? Your main character hmm, you know what? I mean? Like like you would you would never make your main character be worse than the village. It depends on kind of how you define that though and I think that's the air that a lot of people get into especially with people who write Scott Centric thick and it's all about hating Styles. It's like what what are you getting from this you know, like this isn't a fake about Scott. This is a fake about how terrible Styles is. Which is fine, if you weren't the same person who was dictating what everybody else. All right, exactly 1,000% but I think it's funny that they think that there's all this horrible anti-squat fake when most steric Vic has nothing to do with Scott. Yeah, and that's why I'm like it's very rare. Honestly to find true Aunt he's got thick the and a lot of times it's labeled, you know, like with in Paris. It's wonderful when you find it but like it's once in a blue moon that is funny. I enjoy some of it. I have to be in a particular mood, especially because and I'm guilty of this too. A lot of sterics are like, oh Scott's the best got so cute. Did it ahead and styles are best friends. Yeah, you gotta and then you get to that point where star Scott starts getting on your nerves your just like I need to read something that throws him through the ringer. I will say there I shouldn't do this, but I know I am going to in some form, but there was mention of Trumps 3 expectations for Latinos or something like that. Oh my God, I thought that's Chris Pratt to I don't know what they are. I don't know what they are. But I want to find out and I'm going to write that thick. I'm sure it's rapists drug dealers and And what was the other one murderers, you know, what's up? Well, you know what it was very and he ran for president. He called Alma, you know the mix they're not sending their best. They're sending though. They're sending their words. They're sending them like their immigration rapists drug dealers. Yeah, I swear to God that man is a puss. But which one Trump repeal or both both? I will say the the look. Dario one cracks me up the most because he's like they insist they insist God is not obsessed with Allison because if he were his sexuality is racist giving Scott sexuality is racist is basically what they're saying and it's like he's a teenage boy, of course, he's obsessed with girls. That's the entire point and he's obsessed with Allison. Like that's not even the Latino stereotype for men look like Stereotype the Latino stereotype for us is that we are dark and like exotic and we're appealing to multiple people at once and that were like highly flirtatious and very smooth. Well even just being like ladies man, which Scott is not to Allison. He's like completely devoted tears. So I'm just like, what are we talking about? But he's not the yeah. It's like the ladies man. It's a very much. He's more Ladies Man kind of stereotype. Which is the antithesis of what Scott is or what any steric has ever presented him as well. And again, that's and you made a good point. The other day were in I think I've even said this before it's like show me the comment. Show me the thick show me the anything where someone has criticized Scott for being Latino and don't give me this. I mean no, I've never not even the thick just a person on a brand impose. On Tumblr or Twitter. I've never seen anyone call him a beaner. I've never seen anyone call him aspic. I've never seen anybody. I talked about how dirty his skin looks or how dark he is or wouldn't why doesn't he just stay out of the sun more? He would look so great or like all right, you know if you just want some color contacts or you know, like none of that I maybe if he would just straight in his hair more often because you know, the curls are really a bad. It's real frizzy its role. It's too much like you never get Any of that those are the things that we get never any jokes about how Melissa is really a made instead of a nurse right? No jokes about how not even before we even knew where Rafael was. Oh like he's a deadbeat dad or right no jokes about how his dad's been, you know deported back to wherever none of that you get. None of those things from people who hate Scott and that's not just from people in general in general and so them, They try to do is the systemic net mess, but I'm like systemic. They they got to stop saying that without having any basis of reality to support it because the issue with again with systemic is that as soon as you know, you can prove systemic what as soon as you know, the person's race. It's not systemic anymore. It's blatant because you know that that's what you're doing. And so to be like, oh the color brown on someone's skin makes you automatically a mom a race. Racist monster like no. That's not a that's not how systemic racism works. But it's also just not how racism works there are too many variables that they are not taking into consideration when trying to apply that POC lead actors don't receive the same amount of positive attention that white actors receive one. There's such a small number of teen lead Latino shows. you to really make any kind of comparison and release eventine shows with POC leads, but then we have the other idea of that colorism is a bigger deal in that regard because the way that someone because if we're talking about systemic racism the way someone view Scott versus the way they view Boyd are two different experiences because where I haven't seen racist comments about Scott I have seen races Comments about didin and about boy to us very much smaller extent. But of course he was dating Erica what you know kind of goes in the past whatever I have it for me the only racism I really see with Boyd is the aversion to really including him very much right as compared to I'm Jackson. Yeah, so he's either like this really scary imposing figure or he's this teddy bear. He doesn't get a lot of depth, right? And so I know that that's part of it and I think a part of that is people don't know how to write him. And so they don't know how to they don't know how to flush that character out. And so you really do see a lot of people of color. They're the ones or people who are like more invested in that kind of thing and have taken time to really kind of get into it. They're the ones who are kind of writing boy. The issue is Scott. Is that a if you didn't know that he was Tina to begin with then you write him just kind of as a generic white boy and your because I mean Tyler Posey both of his name's are very like white sounding exactly and a lot of people didn't know Garcia at that point, you know at all because you dropped it. Well exactly and so additionally if you're looking at Tyler Posey, you're like, oh, you know, I'm just going to write you kind of as this white boy once you do. Do know then you have more people that have started adding those elements. They have this huge post about. Oh, I'm so oh that's where the three Latino things came in at because he's like, oh, I'm so glad that sterics don't rights put Scott as Latino, but I'm like a lot of them do and they will have actual references to him being Latina. Even if he doesn't speak Spanish, even if he, you know doesn't embody whatever kind of stereotypes people think of they still mention that he is Latino. Elder at least you know half and so it's like what are you going to do? They mention an applet that they mention something at the or something like that Anita's enchiladas. What I'm surprised with is how little the Scott stands explore this Mexican culture. Yeah, they really don't or if they do discussed Ansel. Well, the funny thing though is Scott's yeah. Is love sticking to Cannon and so we're get exactly go ahead say there is nothing Canon about Mexican Scott exactly. There was not one reference other than the Delgado name drop and the oh, I'm going out for Mexican and Isaac saying, I like Mexican one thing that Pew did say that I actually agreed with and I said this at the time said to make no sense that he went to Mexico twice and became a Berserker and I'm like even if that was a ploy about him being biracial tell me you need to tell that that's not a show not tell kind of thing. You need to bring this together. I don't specifically know whether or not that area of Mexico has German influences Adam settlers. No Germanic are Berserkers had nothing to do with no because there are parts of, Texas. That have large concentrations of Germans German settlers. I'll down back we'll prep and down from the time but that's America from the from the time that it used to be Mexico. So some of our some of our cultures have become synchronized with other European cultures. Not just the Spanish culture, but also the other European cultures like there's a small there's a section of Mexico that has a huge Irish. Irish settlers population and so some of their Customs have merged I'm going to disagree because that was never even remotely approached there. Even if it didn't show that I'm just that saying it's not impossible. They just handled it poorly. But that's I think that's giving them way too much. I refuse to believe that they did and I think Jeff had a Berserker and was like, I want a beserker. And Mexico is feasible more feasible than Germany the end. I don't give yeah. Yeah like the because what it leads to is that then If you have Cannon and then you have Pew and Cole who love to go and assume the cannon like he has this whole thing was like, oh, well, someone had to have told styles that Alison died and Scott's arms, but it's like but we didn't see that. So you using that to support your argument which doesn't really even fit means nothing but right now, you know what, I mean? It's like there's no there's no Aces to that and I've dealt 1000% that they were thinking about that in any way. It would have been nice if they did but you know a lot of things would have been nice see look at this. What is this Mesoamerican religion at the now while also spelled my personal Guardian Spirit believed by some Mesoamerican Indians to reside in an animal's just a deer Jaguar bird narwhal. Yeah and which certain powerful men can transform themselves to do evil. Thus the world derives from the now Edward. Now Wally, which is disguise. So like Sorcerers could assume animal forms to you know, do their misdeeds. And so that is a Mesoamerican Legend the nerve calling it a Berserker not calling it a Berserker that's combining Germanic English word with Mesoamerican folklore. Well, no, but the Berserker is its own kind of thing and it's specifically Norse and Germanic as that. I don't know what that has to do with right, but she like she forced transformed him into like this mixture of animal spirit crap. Where'd you get the Narwhal from cuz wasn't she in our wall? I think she say used for her which was a youth not wild for her, too. Yeah, I think his was just the beserker because it's still the same thing. They use the animal skin. And in fact, it's what contributed to the werewolf legend but specifically in Europe and that's kind of where you get Odin from and the whole werewolf thing in general again, though. This is more research than I will ever give them credit for doing because you know good and well if they had done this research, they would have bragged about it. I just I just don't know why they called it a Berserker, you know what I mean? Because he thought it was cool. Like actually, you know, what it was is so they have this whole thing about oh continuity see we talked about this all the way back in season 2 and remember they showed that chalkboard that had like a bunch of different mythical names on it and they're like, so yeah, we've been plotting this and it's like no you haven't you found a screenshot and you saw the word beserker and he said let's put that in here, you know, it's just like it's so pretty might be Surprises that Scott goes to Mexico twice and we get no. Oh my god. I've never been here before. Yeah. My family hasn't been back here since we emigrated to the United States five generations ago what exactly that say that like nothing so easy, but you were saying that he what was that article that you were referencing to the some of us are human, but you wanted to talk about I have this weird Hoechlin 90 that goes back and forth between insulting him and defending him and second never really figure out what side of the fence she's on with anything. That's like, okay. Do I come off like that? I can never tell how I come off with heckling. Yeah, Oh, no, you're definitely Hoechlin Steve. We're just finding this person. They're like, oh they were talking about someone was like Oh, I thought that heckling got the Jeep and I was like, I don't know where you got that from, you know, no Dylan was are Jeff was going to With to Dylan and Dylan just say he didn't want it. So Jeff took it and I never heard about heckling getting it at all ever and I was like and if they had been a thing we would have been a hot mess about it. No, I mean all over it like like Hoechlin just wanted to like keep the the the first place they made love and peace of his baby. Exactly. You look like we would have been all of chorus a man Jackson showed him how to drive stick but Hoechlin showed him how to drive the other type of stick. And so I was just like now and there and his someone was like, oh he doesn't care about that. Hunkajunk. He's too busy driving his Mercedes and his Hummer. I was like, what do you think that's nothing to do with anything is so weird. I mean I can see I can see what was it like it was that I can see why some people may have confused the Hummer for a cheap. Maybe hmm at some point and I don't know how it may be a dark picture. Well, he has been driven that hummer and years and he Set he says that he still has a BS in German at forever. And then she also said he has a convertible and I was like, I don't think he has a convertible but I was like if you got pictures then okay, I guess thanks. Okay, like I don't really care but it's like okay. Yeah, it's like nobody. Oh, but the some of us are human. So piu is just incensed about some of us are human and I just don't get why he's so mad. He keeps saying that it's sarcasm. Mmm, and I'm like, that's it. I mean if you watch that scene, there's nothing sarcastic about it. I don't know. If is that the part that he thinks it's sarcasm or does he think the where styles are saying? Like, I'm just what does it say? I'm nothing but skin and bones or Star Kono. However, something sarcasm is my only defense you think that's why he said then early Seasons he's talking about the season five fight between Scott and Stiles and so he says Of us have made mistakes. And this is a key line Styles has been there for all the Scots mistakes. So it's not praise. It's sarcasm and that he says some of us get our hands a little bloody. Sometimes he knows that although his reasons and here don't make any sense. But then he he says it's cruel. He's oh here let me I'll link you. I mean, let's see you soon sarcasm the use of irony to mock or convey contempt and irony is the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite. So there's nothing ironic by saying some of us are humans. Some of us can't be true Alphas. I think that the direction because he thinks that it's saying some of us are human Scott and you're not but it's more about some of us like, please remember your Humanity because up until this point and throughout the entire season, which was the entire impetus for their fight is Scott really was kind of forgetting not necessarily Humanity, but the infallible are the foul ability of humanity meaning that humans make mistakes humans have issues humans have things that they do that. They can't necessarily take back and I think Scott was also forgetting that when you are less likely to heal from some from something you have to make decisions that may not leave as much room for saving for Mercy. I'm one, right? Right, which is yeah, and I was like that's valid. So it's not cruel cruelty. He's not lashing. He's not calling Scott a terrible person. He's asking Scott to remember that he used to also be this way. Look, I will give Pew that stylist was being salty and there was not cruelty but I would say a little bit of like it was a little bit of a fuck you you know what I mean? What if you're at Sea and I do bye I felt it more as like a desperation because especially at that I do feel like he was trying to slap him in the face a little bit. Like hey mister, you know Almighty like some of us can't do everything you can do but not just slap him in the face and we're stuck in a situation and and you're not there. Guess what we're going to make mistakes. We're going to do what we think we need to do and it might not always be the right thing, but that's okay. Well, that's not a problem though. It's up of reality. It's yes, it's not just a slap in the face. It's a slept to wake him up to make Him see that what he's doing because he's not saying. Oh, I'm gonna do this whether you like it or not. He's saying please understand why I have to do this and they're two different statements at that point. He was literally kind of begging to be involved and he wanted to help and he's like, what can I do? What can I do? And then Scott was like you can get out of my pack and go home. No dials had a moment earlier in the season where like he's fixing the Jeep and he kind of get hits himself on the Jeep out of her. Fishing right and he tells him like Scott asked me why can't you just trust people he's like because you trust everyone and he has his moments where it's like I don't have the same luxuries as you do because you take these other luxuries yourself exactly. You have the luxury of trusting people because I don't trust them for you. Yeah, and you and Scott has the luxury of bestowing Mercy because other people do the dirty work for him beforehand. Well, okay, so then that's the The entire other thing is that you can't give me the narrative that Scott is so hurt and so traumatized when we find out that he's conspiring with deucalion to take down a bunch of kids, you know what I mean to get him to kill these kids. And so that's where all falls apart for me. And I wonder when you try to timeline it exact then you realize wait Scott had already in put this plan into place while he's judging these people like they're doing Things than him exactly. He's telling them we have to save them. We can't kill them. Oh, by the way, let me call to Killian and make sure that he goes and he thins out this pack and I'm like that's absolutely ridiculous because he was putting a murder plan into effect. Yeah while judging people for accidentally killing someone while defending themselves exactly regardless of the fact that the entire three Theo told him that ridiculous story which I'm like Scott if you believed that styles did This why didn't you check the the coroner's report afterwards and which is something that Scott are that Styles would have done had it was the situation is nobody I said that they had the didn't did the oh, that's Josh. Wait what no perish, but the doctors picked up Donovan. from the school I think I don't know if it was yeah, like the weight didn't the doctors clean up everything afterwards like it was like the the scaffolding didn't even fall when Styles went back to the school. I don't remember remember he calls the police and then he kind of like leaves and then he runs back in after the police come in to check out the library and leave and he sees that there's nothing there. He sees a drop of blood somewhere. But like that's like on an on like the rebuilt scaffolding. That's then so then okay, so I am justified because You think that Styles bludgeoned this man with a wrench and then cleaned it up himself? What are we talking about? Yeah, like I think they're like your you'd have to assume that Jordan came and picked up the body and took it to the nemeton to the name it and then Styles cleaned up the whole murder stick the whole scene on his own which I guess I'm excited to put know how but like I get some Coca-Cola. But you know and that's another thing that instead I said, I almost what I don't think they knew that. Donovan was a chimera get right now. They have ya know they did because the teeth now before that like before that they know that the doctors had taken Donna. Yes, because yeah van was broken into right? Yeah. Sure. I think yeah. Okay. Let's see hanging out like when they've already I thought that they were already packed when that started know like I think they dragged him out of the sheriff's they Listen, oh wait Donovan. Okay, no race, but when did he threaten his dad? I don't care. This is that drive me crazy is making me care about things. I do not care about I don't care like but the point is is that Theo story about Stiles overpowering someone and beating them with a wrench ridiculous ridiculous. And in the fact that Theo was so Scared of human styles with a wrench that but then they're hanging out werewolf at the time Theo couldn't rip him away from the body was ridiculous. Now my god when Scott was like you trusted him too. I remember everyone was like red like little ice is still trying her you when they conspired with one another and work together. You know what I love is that in that thread pux? Actually admits wit. No Pew made another post which is seems so Random talking about how Ascot shouldn't have to forgive Theo for murdering him on anyone else's terms. But his own and I was like, who is this too? And then in the list of reasons why he gives like that Theo is like a bad person and why Scott would be upset with him is that feel blackmailed his best friend Styles? It's like when it when it when it's convenient. Two year old child was blackmailed. But when it's inconvenient to a steric you're going to talk about how styles conspired with Theo. That is absolutely I was reading that whole threat and my only idea that this could possibly be against is themes because theon's are the only ones who have care about Theo or Lea of an issue between Theo and Scott not getting along because of somebody else like what Someone else in the center because it's only theon's and whilst he owes but they don't care about stereo. So it's got to be theum. Mmm. It's really wild if you consider undermining actively working to interfere. I know we did undermine other people. Oh, did he? Oh here it is. Okay, so it says first when Theo and styles comma working together comma brought Josh's body to the clinic and Scott asked which one of the doctors killed them and Theo Confirmed Scott's guest said it was a surgeon. This was a lie Stiles knew it was a line. He said nothing. He was being blackmailed. But unlike Scott, he didn't think of way to beat his blackmailer. He played along. What was Scott blackmailed. Oh when Gerard was blackmailing Scott into helping him get Derek to bite him so that he could become a werewolf and then become an alpha and season 2, but only what no Gerard Our thread and Melissa's life with the kanima in his room and that's how he like first he stabs him. Remember? Well, he then you double and then but that's the lap down. It's just coercion. Yeah, he and it was a black male youth. He threatened. What's it called when you thread you extort someone? Yeah, that's extortion. That's not black. It's extortion. It's not blackmailing but I think that's what he's going towards. Yeah, that's weird. But also no oh, so yeah, that was another argument. And I hate them them trying to say that Scott didn't know that Derek was going to be there. So Derek was never part of his plan, but I'm like then what was the plan because wolfsbane on its own did nothing you needed the alpha by to activate it and they showed us the mountain. Ash what I say will faint. Yeah mountain ash said. Oh, yeah Mel. Do you know I get it that like the plan like Scott did not know in that what fourth or fifth episode that at the end when he's with his job was to take Derek to a warehouse where Gerard would be waiting to then paralyzed Eric and then Scott would be there to force the bite on to Gerrard and then Gerard would kill Derek. Look. I'm sure he didn't know explicitly that that was the plan but he knew that Derek we are danger being forced to bite Gerard and that uh situation would come up where Girardi was expecting Scott's help to make it happen that they were all going to be in the same place at the same time. Sickly because we don't know we know that there are would never bite him on purpose. Oh God. No the fact that Derek bit Victoria when he was trying to save Scott made no sense whatsoever to begin with. Yeah. Well, I thought that was kind of an accident or did he actually like Endeavor? It wasn't that's how that's kind of how they do it. Like it was an accident like it's just she got bit while he was trying to defend himself but like there could have been too careful to bite someone. Yeah, that's wild this. Oh, it's so inconsistent. But of course, it's all race. That's man fall when you really look back on everything. Nothing makes sense. Yeah, it's like they broke the things they wanted to happen and then like okay which character has to do that and that and that and then it's like but this character wouldn't do any of those things. Oh, well, fuck it. Yeah, or oh well as a fandom is racist. I'm like, I'm not having that conversation with you guys. I'm not arguing with them about that anymore. And you know what we were talking about earlier. Or was that realistically we always make Styles like Scott super like evil and responsible and stuff like that, but that's not something we do when we talk about the show in like this is what happened terms. That's when we what we talked about what we would like to happen. In fact like Shannon. Yeah, or what we think would make more sense than Cannon exactly. But if we're realistically talking about what happened on the show, then we realistically also have to talk about how Styles saw a lot wrong with Scott and just It went along with it. Anyway, he gave them in the benefit of Doubt a lot of time and that is one of the characteristics about styles that I do not like but this is also but C and this is the problem because that's a writing issue. And that is Dillon trying his best to try and eat a really portray it in a way that still positive ascott, but in Jeff's mind, that's a great friendship because Jeff and Visions himself as Styles, which is wild. Imagine he sees himself as Styles because Styles gives up too much of himself. He definitely to oh, it's being self-sacrificing. Yeah, Jeff definitely thinks he's tiles is stuck to way to self-sacrificing for him. Exactly. No, this is what you think's Jeff Scott. Jeff is Scott what he is Scott, but he thinks he's Styles. He thinks that he's the popular. You know, he thinks that he is the the fan favorite. This is one hundred percent. who he thinks he is, you know, he was for like a season and a half and then it up and well, yeah what me even now he still gets a lot of play and of course, he's the only one that's still really pushing for, you know attention when it comes to Teen Wolf specifically the rest of them have kind of moved on so it's like dude just get another job and try to make it as good as what you did as what people think you did here and don't tell him to get another job don't And there are things that I don't like about Cannon Styles. So do I choose not to think about them when I'm talking Fannin and stuff, of course and like nobody's forbidding the Scott stands from doing the same and their place, you know, you can ignore all the stuff that you don't like about Scott and you don't have to defend it to anybody but then don't go around. Yeah, you can ignore all the good things about Styles and only remember the bad parts, but then don't go around telling other people that they have to do it that way. Way for you to and specifically just to try and establish a majority because what he did what Pew did to that person was the literally tried to bully them out of writing and that's ridiculous when there are so many writers who will cater to what you want to read and I just don't know how people like clot poles only and demons dust and fanfiction fridge and some other sterics will remain unnamed to have link themselves with these people. Hey, you know live really well. As a steric but and even she is if he but what I will say is they don't respect them. They don't like them as soon as they say something that is slightly outside of the purview. Like you're not reaching their common Middle Ground. You are all the way on their side or not at all and what even like that in scraping clot pretend to be like, oh, you're lucky that we're friends with Pew because we talked them and them down, but they don't work and they talk about how they're different. I was like one you're not and what you describe as just you know, intellectual differences with Pew if they're not just differences of opinion. It's like a behavior. It's abusive behavior. And it's borderline. They turned it into a morality issue where you are not a good person unless you think along the same lines that I do and I'm like that's not a friendship. That is a that's fascism here. It's like you have to 100% be like me. It's just like I mean I don't go around thinking that anyone who's not a steric must be evil exactly and it be idiotic because someone likes fluff where they stay, you know friends and they all the stories all end in a kiss a single kiss. That doesn't mean the person is evil and homophobic exactly. There's a it's a lot more nuanced than that. And so like the fact that they try to do that is ridiculous and the fact that people try to explain why what they do is okay is crazy to me. Yeah, looks like it's not and then what makes infuriates me is what people equate what we're doing here to what they do. How does that except for them and the flittering all of the will compare like what Bhed does and other stuff like and like what I do here as like being worse than what pu and them do which is pathetic. Like how do you even draw that connection? They don't I'm literally saying write what you want your Justice. Harold as I am yeah just don't write what you want and then Badger other people to only write what you want it with the response as well. Please just telling people he doesn't want racism but it's like his definition of racism is what he doesn't want, you know, like stuff that he that concerns him and only him as white as he is a male as he is totally just like proves that point. Sometimes it shouldn't I'd like for some people will like those white people who think like. Oh, Oh, well, if we been to every call of races on and they're just going to call whatever they don't want or like racist. All right, so that we have to change it. Mmm instead of real legitimate things and Pew literally feeds into that anything. He thinks he doesn't like, oh, it's racist. Yeah or the ablest well or it's toxic or like how when it becomes a huge umbrella term where everything can fit into racism. Oh, well, he happens to be one skin Shade darker than other people there are times in that show where Derek is darker than Scott, but it's racist against Scott and it's just like no, I'm not doing this with you. We're not we're not playing this game. And I mean the only reason we talk about skin tones and skin Shades is because we're defending the fact that it is possible for people to not have known. Well, it matters Congress. Most people didn't know deal because saying that someone is brown does not say what They are and that's also what's extremely insulting to me is the idea that looking at Tyler Posey. He could be Italian he could be Mediterranean. He could be Greek. He could be free and just about anything honestly. So in order to be fully racist you really it really does boil down to ethnicity and and I and so the problem is that in terms of black people, especially black in America. That ethnicity is what American which has its own kind of definition but it still begs off of the diaspora. So you have the issue of oh well dark means that you are less than but that is almost exclusively with like black people when you get into Latinos and that kind of thing you're dealing with a different Dynamic. It's just a different thing entirely and so for you to be like people are racist against Scott because of his skin color doesn't Make any sense because that's not attached to anything people. Didn't know you know, he's biracial and mixed with latino. So now I hate him because I hate Latinos. No one said that that's not a thing that ever happened. I don't know how much more that we can explain that. Most people did not know Tyler Posey was Mexican and therefore did not know that Scott was Mexican. They thought that he was 10. Lots of people are tan Which every pay money to get tan and some people are just born tan and some people just get 10 depending on the time of year. There is a difference depending on the perspective that you're watching the show from so the blanket paint everybody are even the majority of people as being racist when you don't know half of those people's backgrounds, you know, you don't know anything about the way that they would ingest this show. Is in itself, it's own kind of hubris, you know, and it's just like I don't have time for that for you to try and dissuade me from watching a show because I don't watch it the way that you do nor do I want to because the way they watching this very boring, even if we go to percent like if we compare the steric population to the national population in the u.s. At least 17 percent of all sterics would be Latino will be Latino. Are you yes, I mean you would think about if this this general idea of steric is racist that either you would see almost not know Latinos in the steric fandom, which is false because I'm here and so many other Latinos automatically the ante hon. Yeah, apparently and then you also have the fact that they're they say that there's no significant amount of thick that is, you know favorable to Scott. And so if there's Seventeen percent of us out here Then you would think at least Seventeen percent of the 50. Mm fix would have a Scott that they think is good enough to read. Mmm, and they say there's nothing again because their parameters are ridiculous because it's not that Scott is good. It's not that Scott has positive. They want Scott to be the main character. They want the plot to focus around him and they want him to be the hero of the Fig and in steric fix that's not going to happen. And then with black with blacks and Latinos and with blacks and Latinos, we would make up 30% of stearic, right? You're right. Exactly and probably do honestly, there's a good problem. We probably make up at least 45% Mmm. Oh, I don't know that high. I think sometimes we can be a little bit over represented in I feel like we have become more represented in this pairing than most other one. That's okay. I can see that I could maybe it may not be 45. It might be like instead of 30. It's like 32 or something. I think we're a little bit more well represented in this fandom because steric fandom in general is a lot more Progressive than other ship fandoms are right, right. People are a mess. You gotta love it. Goddamn man. Considering this isn't just the u.s. Fandom. It's a world fandom like, oh, yeah completely forgetting about all Asian and Pacific Islander. Regressions in the Asian Pacific Islanders, and then there is Indians eliminate everyone and say yeah, we're we we out there that isn't a few we deftly want to thank you all for joining here. I'm going to fill this episode in for this other series that I am getting ready for you as a surprise. And so yay. I'm excited. 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