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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESP out of TV talk now I do I do. Your times. Yes, welcome in challenge fans. Thank you so much. We got an excellent episode for you guys tonight All is fair in Love and War is the episodes name. My name is Daniel anger and AKA Disney Dan and I'm happy to be joined by three amazing hosts to my left. We've got a man who believes in true love. His name is Betty. What up? Any? Yes, how did you know I believed in true love I was going to say it for all you guys. That was my joke, but you just call that it's okay. Yes. What's up guys? I'm Benny Adam. I'm too excited to talk about this episode. This was a juicy one. So I can't wait to dive into it. And next up all laid up leaves a true about Pam's here. Yes, very excited to be here. That was very moving. Yes team Jory tour didn't yes. So romantic. Oh, yeah and last but not least a man that also believes the truth. David is here. I am here. Yes, give it up for me. What's going on guys, Dave? Yeah, this was an awesome episode. I think it's my favourite so far happy that ending was fantastic guys. We want to make sure you guys stick around got a ton of top, but obviously we're going to talk about the big marriage proposal. And also I came up with a fun game for you at home on the live feed to play plus my lovely co-host probably. Yeah, let's do it right around right where news and gossip would be fun game. So so excited get your thinking caps on how its it thinking go. It is it is challenge trivia related. I'm not good at puzzles Goin. Don't worry. I won't be possible. Let's get some overall thoughts in the episode. I think we all feel the same way that it was amazing, but we'll start with you Benny. Let's go. Yeah, like Dan said it was amazing one of the best episodes by far like this season. I've said it before the season is killing it this year and I definitely like it a little annoyed by a certain character get to that. But yeah overall And out of 10 a plus. All right, and that I'm gonna go three super Wow's which is the maximum Wow's I think and I loved Tori and Jordan all episode even before the wonderful conclusion, which we all know spoiler alert and it was really fun seeing everyone sort of reach their breaking point and yet this is season is just bringing it. The challenge was good. The challenge challenge was good The Proving Ground was good overall awesome draw. AMA filled action-filled love-filled episode. Yeah, I was you know telling Dan earlier where I watch it. I feel like this was almost legitimately like written almost like a screenplay, you know, the way everything played out was just so on point. So perfect like to I mean hands down I will say this is probably my favorite episode so far this whole season and I think the first time I would say, I would give it a 5 out of 5 Stars congrat story Jordan. That's awesome. Yeah. No, I the end the action was great. The whole everybody kind of like losing their minds that you that I was just gonna kind of freaked out, you know, just everything was great. The challenge was awesome to competitors that I respect. You know, I want to see them go head-to-head they did which was awesome. That was fun. The outcome was great. That's what I wanted. You know, Jordan. Yeah, it was great. Yeah the producers finally put together a great story did it they pick out and they got it right. I know I know and this out. I mean we all die. I feel like tonight is the biggest most obvious conspiracy that I've been that we've all I think we all discovered it tonight because you guys came to be you know, what it was then I'm like, of course. I have written down the back pages right here ready to go ahead. Yeah. I mean basically will do was get it off. The bat really quick is that you know, Jordan went to the producer said I would love to propose to Tori at some point this season and then when the producers basically found out that he's most likely going to be going into the elimination. They picked an elimination that he most likely could win which is throwing sledgehammers, which he did for his whole entire life base. Guaranteeing him that wins that he could then propose to Tori and there's a conspiracy for the night. Now, let's move on to the beginning of the episode. And this is what I've come to find out. It could have been on Team UK Tori Georgia and Jenny as the three basically very strong females. But instead they're I mean Kaylee, but whatever instead they're stuck with no, Georgia and you have Kaylee and honestly, I think Kaylee is an awful competitor and she's really showing it tonight. I just want to get your thoughts on how just interesting it could do. Georgia could still be here in theory with Tori but instead Kaylee is there and she really showed to me tonight that she has nothing to give why don't on the UK side, you know, I think we kind of cover this last last episode. I mean it's again, like I said last week this was a stupid move was really dumb and obviously now they're paying for it with Kaylee is she not even really trying I mean, which I have no respect for that and exactly imagine that team of Jenny, Georgia Tory like that would be dominant female Powerhouse. You know, I mean even Jenny and Tory still great. But yeah, they I think that was a dumb move and they lost out a great competitor. Yeah, like I said last time Kaylee didn't do it for the team. She did it for herself, but it's gonna I think it's just not going to work out for her because they're they need to win in order for her to get further into the game. Like they're gonna they're gonna realize that she's the weakest person and they're going to vote her in I think that Tori and Jordan now being on the UK team will try and convince them to actually win and work as a team and forget their alliance with the other side and that in doing so they're going to have to get rid of the weaker players which are going to do a kale. He's going in next week There's no way in hell. Jordan is gonna allow Kaylee to stay on this TV is not want to run a final with her right and and hot Here, I'm not sure he wants to run a file with CT either because he thinks he's going to slow his ass down. I bet he tried to get him out to hold on that. I just want to say that everybody is going to the whole everyone going through nothing for their team. They're not playing smart is so stupid because everybody's doing the same thing. So I'm just really sick of that. We all know that pretending then knowing now that it's been declared. It's it's almost strange that they're still pulling that like for the team thing. NG it's not for the team. Let's say this what if they really don't break these teams up and they really are going to be Brits whoever's on the bright side. And whoever's you said they actually have to be together on that on the in that final you gotta get rid of that was your Weeks Later. Yeah, because they I think they're under the assumption that they might break these things up events and that's enough but I maybe they won't but that's what I keep saying because we keep coming back to that idea of yeah there and break them up because that's what we're used to write. But exactly and that's what I'm saying as as we know right now. You have to play at your team. What if that doesn't happen? I don't think they're gonna break. They I feel like they would have broke broke the team's up by now. However the game I think they're going to do it like on the final slyke in the finals it halfway through. Hey guys. Guess what? You're all on your own and then like what the hell maybe maybe but all I'm saying right now all you know is you have to play with your team? Yeah. I like that Britt side now. Yes, I agree. I think Rogan and Joss are really good. I think what Jordan IBM team UK now, I'm going to say it. I'm sorry. Since day one, I'll tell you guys I couldn't handle the best one-liners and it wasn't just like a couple the entire night thinking like the last line of the night. He was like her current over your wedding. I said something random. It's great. It was funny when he was patronizing Kaylee or not. He's like ever But it's not taking this is no and it really was funny. But you know on the other side of that not that I agree with the other side of it, but he was bullying her up there. He was bullying her. If you're not going to try to do what your job is. Yeah, how can you not get at least made fun of for not doing your job? I can play Devil's Advocate though, and I agree with everyone don't at me I get it. She quit that you and I and I know and I'm not defending her. However, if I am trying to think of something I'm terrified of like had to you know, Climb over alligators or something and there was no way there at that point. They had two minutes and something left. There was no way she was going to get a very thick stings and win it for the team. So her night doing it TR why they're completely dry. It was a super lame lame bad. I'm not I think it was I got you I got but I think there was some logic to it, which was just like there's no point. Is there a million dollars on the other side those alligators? Right over there. I bet you I bet you run over those alligators if there's a million dollars - that's my point. Probably right and we think by not thinking of it in her turn again to the most obvious thing here is your on the challenge which we know is notorious for water and crazy physical challenges. What the hell are you thinking? Well, that's the best part. She's like, I'm not good with water like you're not even in the water. You're bubbly water. What are you good with also to play remember when she was dunked and doing Math in a final last season or two seasons ago, but she did. Well that right. Yeah. I heard him saying where I don't want to sleep on Kaylee just yet because she did surprise me every time but she hadn't Haley. I mean she had camp but if you've got you're only as strong as your weakest link, whatever on this if I can hop ahead to news and gossip because it's really all about Kaylee. Okay, let's do it. Well, we're on Kaylee because it's so last week - Isn't gossip, but for any of you all who listen to The Challenge Mania podcast Kaylee was on it was great and she did spill a lot of Tears shed a lot of light based on last week her and Georgia had a big blowout the night before that wasn't shown. Okay, they didn't show that also with the turbo because we were speculating. He was allowed to come back and said no I will like will come like I can't release this range. I must be must die, you know, I wasn't kicked off for the season kicked off so much as As are you going to be happy that how could they not ask him to leave if he literally said I'm going to go back and culture that are ahead by you know and set this aside. He was like I can't you know, I can't also apparently K. I'm just doing it real fast because there's a lot spilled. She said CT looked the thus far like he was riding the fence but he's always sort of been like Kim and Cara team Boston like that's been going on also the last thing she said, I'm saying oh Polly and car with the Georgia thing. She said Cara didn't even have any idea that they were going to do that. She wasn't involved in it. It's sort of came from CT and her in cam kind of escalated it the night before I guess Georgia was just drama drama drama and CT was saying she's good, but she's high drama if she's a lot of drama. It might be best to get her before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and It's in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV so CT is being the sneaky Mastermind a little bit. Yeah, that's why I can't I can't fault the yeah, they're not giving them the air time for it. I did hear him in the very beginning when Theo was pissed off and Jenny was pissed off and Theo is saying, you know, there's no reason to put you in and CT did at this point say for the first time we're not asking you to trust us. We're just asking you to win like he used the we in terms of him. Well hasn't been Rogue. He had to pick a side eventually and he just went with the number size. So you really Didn't even he just kind of like I'm gonna scoot over here. Now today only feeling Jenny what the hell am I thinking and the other is that even within your alliance? It only gets you so far numbers like eventually even alliances. You can't be a 10. It's like the stupid lavender. Ladies Alliance. It's like you're not going to have all y'all at the at the end. So at some point alliances have to turn on each other. It's just going to happen. Yeah, especially now that Theo is gone in theory, but I guess they could try to throw Jordan in but that's what else I mean jumping ahead a little bit but Is also a bummer for UK because if they could have kept the around and got Georgia Theo and right. I mean, what about Angela? Yeah exactly. How would they how would they have to put in? They would have had to throw in someone else of Corti? They get they got it. They could see NCT losses to Jordan Jordans up there with Theo now and Johnson, which is a very important fact, which is better than C having CT them or they could have just threw in Josh. Yeah. When Josh tonight, it was really dumb not to there you go and they keep Theo to wow. Yeah. There's a lot there. Hmm. Oh, no, I think Joshua taken Jordan nice. Okay, dude, I'm the biggest. I think Theo would have won I think Theo still alive. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know I gotta stick up for Josh. I think you could have been closer Bastille literally said I'm missing 50% of the ship time. I've every time he probably would have been a better man. He's doing the devil's work just get disqualified acute on his first thing audition because he had no stamina like doing that. Banging for a really long time requires a lot of stamina. Which what do you think? I'm dirty and when Josh was first on and he became partners with Amanda was by like default because someone else because he was he had to run up and down the mountain and he couldn't solve the puzzle but then someone else went home and he got to come back. Yeah. He doesn't have a lot of stamina that sort of repetitive action for a long time. We can say that about a bunch of people don't think the first CT down there and he has a lot of muscles, but how long's he been able to do that before he gets tired out CT what a gas? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like he's got the overall at first. He would be crushing each thing by Straight hits but what does that the gaseous Gasser when the gas when exact even tonight? We got his little girl scream Falling Down The Knowing down the rock wall. Yeah. Well, we also have exact also admits like Jordans gonna destroy this that's right. Just try to meet ya two seasons ago. Let's get to it's a guy's elimination day. We got Temple wall Traverse. It's the challenge of the the night. Ninja excited for climbing Kaylee not so much. That's the first line. You see though the words the vocal words. You see from them. I don't know if you guys like this challenge, but I thought it was just kind of blah and I was kind of hoping that the attorney things they did would do. I know they think something I know they did swing eventually but like how long do they have to do this to one of them? Finally swung? Yeah, like they do this for like five minutes and finally they showed on the camera. Oh it moved. So what was happening the whole the time II don't get how they work as Farmers attention line was it? They're trying to tighten it up or I didn't get it either. That's how I got connected. It was just a myth and the wind blew those things are they are they just move them and they wanted to make it more interesting. I don't know. Maybe I miss you think the producers just had full control. I don't know. I don't know and these things didn't do anything. It just is not hard. Yeah, that's I just I wasn't really into the challenge but CT seemed to know what he was doing. This is what you'll feel good idea and they show what I liked. Was that from CT or another shot? I don't know. I don't know. One tweeted and it was really funny is does anybody else just like tune out when thin doing TJ explains the directions? Yeah. That's why I was like, yes. Absolutely. I'm like, okay, there's something I don't know if this is true, but two competitors are allowed on the wall to go on there. I don't know if I was just not Guitar was maybe I'll bring something down. I didn't see a couple of the u.s. People go either ham naughty camp and Leroy, I think just because there's more no Leroy did it? No, I think he said oh hell no. Yeah. This is doing it Benny without all those people it was a timed thing so I know but like I'm pretty sure that they were just like chilling that they get really didn't really want to go either. I want to say I feel like again I like Like nany as a person this isn't but I think that she's a she was like I'm not it was going to be awful. Glad I don't want to go as Kaylee. Yes. It just came down. We're all going to get Cara and hard time because she fell off right away. But at least she tried to all right, right Killa Cam did a killer job staying on the sidelines and I can see hands go up there. But I think a lot of them did if they didn't do it. I think they saw that they were in the lead and maybe that's why not say when I first met my first strategy then why first let's put our strongest. There's no understand. They timed ownership get to go. I think if yeah cam had the opportunity she would have gone but it was I think 10 minutes to get as much done as head. I already mentioned it was 15. Sorry so many numbers and what there's something but six, I think there were six walls. I have no idea and then of course ninja did awesome on this. In fact, I would have talked crap, but she didn't do good. All right, of course, it was a challenge and she was even talking crap before sure. This is me. All right. I just want to like be quiet about it because I show them good I'm like, oh, yeah, I did. All right. Yeah without you I was going to be good. All right good.you lot of tumble like friggin feel tonight. So I'm going to go from being a king to a God. I'm like, dude. Oh, no, I think Theo was trying to pump himself up. I don't think he was actually like the best and you have that's his catchphrase. I'm the best. He was also like really fired up in pissed off to yeah, but I just want to shout out to the live chat because it's popping off. See you we see you in there. Yeah, I'll take a little bit of charge me to do both here. All right. So what do you got to say? You guys know any other thoughts on the challenging didn't quite understand it. It's using the first up. The Roman numerals was literally just like sticker matching. It wasn't even any puzzle. It was like put know it was a Roman numeral honor Roman numeral and gums. If I didn't really get where they were all placed. I saw CT loading like five in his thing like you fall CT do they have extras up here. He was shoved him. In his chest and I like if he falls which he did there must be extras up there. Yeah, it does this game mean no sense to me if I could be honest. I was literally no joke in my head thinking like Okay, can this just be over so I can go to like the rest are so yeah and they won ten to four right us team. It wasn't even close which is crazy because they do have some good competitors. It's like what is going on? I would have loved to seen it if Rogan didn't pull down Tori. That would've been real nice, right? He liked to hurt a lot more right? He's more interesting right? You could have done a lot. It's like So them got screwed by that. Yeah. Oh and so then I actually did like a talking head moment like whatever and she was talking so much crap. I think she felt within two seconds to do you think upon a ceilidh a lot and I'm like, it's Ashley you're awful. I got like is good at like the actual challenge the and that but the like the elimination rounds, but I think I don't know not that great during like challenge into that should integrate tonight Zach, even the exact kind of fell early. He didn't really do that. We know to be honest TJ was right teacher Hey, man, y'all suck tonight. Yeah, no one really did well on I guess ninja you could say. Yeah, they're wild and Polly Jordan stayed for a while. Then he did fall. I don't think I was the last Pauline. Yeah. I mean, I know I'm not the biggest fan, but I really do think him and Jordan are just really your competitors and I really think Paulie wants to be best friends with Dave today teamed up. I would go I put all my money on Jordan and Polly to win the whole game. I do too. We're a team. Season. Oh my God, I'd love Jordan Impala it to be a team and I would I think I would start to really like Polly by association. I don't even think poverty and Jordan. All right. Yes, it's just it's because of Cara that's what that's what's so great. It's because of their girlfriends that they can even be Rivals which gets them on and it's great right now. Love it. If anything it will be turbo in Jordan. Yeah, that would be that would be unfair. They wouldn't even allow that would be on you know, it wouldn't be fair. But truly that would be like literally Dream Team. I don't think you could I mean I'd be the I think maybe feel and Polly together against them to have a shot that I don't know. Who else. Yeah. I saw TJ was sad about TJ with Savage at the end everybody out picks up fast. And then okay. So here's now they're trying to pick who's gonna be the tribunal. Okay, and Josh is Josh is trying to push for himself, which actually and I Within the whole time during it and I was just waiting till the end and sorry to cut you off but I'm gonna get a shoutout Susanna Lynn said love the t-shirt is need an yeah, give me some love Susanna. I'm not gonna like that person may have bought me this why she say that she likes she likes the shirt. All right moving on from my private Library. Yeah. Yeah, so see I'm blushing now. That's what we're saying was. Oh the tribunal cat whose poop on you. My friend took a trip to Taiwan and she brought me this shirt back now, I think well, I'm gonna take the heat off you for a second. Thank you so much. The first time I agree with you that it's stupid that it's I usually like seeing them duke it out but it's a stupid. There's no stupid that they have no process for picking the speaker. It's just whoever says it first Whoever has the numbers or whatever the Goes for I did actually kind of like Jordans idea. Why don't we have the top three people and that perspex point Jordan wanted it to be based on who was the best and then I then we find out who it is. It's Pauly Zack and car car fell off early exact properly and part about Polly did well, so like it made no sense that. I know I know who they want. They want it to be Zach. He said Zack Paulie and Josh and Jordan, but it was it the next time he said it it was Jordan wanding Josh and Polly. Jordan wanted it to be him and Paulie and Natasha. That's what I thought. No, I hope ninja because the engine so well, I thought so too Jordan wanted to be based on who is the best. Right? Right. So either way that's what I'm saying to you guys is even if Jordan picked those people he still only had himself yet there. He still would have got voted out with the two versus one which changes if it was Josh but my Jordan but I think it did that's why Josh wanted it so bad because he was worried about him. Jordan getting thrown in because their Alliance is their numbers are less than the others and I was thinking well Josh is making excellent move here because he doesn't want to get on it and needless to say he was completely right because he almost did get thrown in it was basically him or Jordan. Yeah. That's that's why Josh push so hard and I don't know if people are given Josh crap because I always like to give Josh crap, but he's like he's just trying to make themselves if it was anybody else. I don't think people have a problem with it. But since Josh talks everyone like can't stand we talking maybe with CT pushing for It was she's been doing all season everyone let CT know he's been sitting on the fence just like everybody else and relax like chat Kappa tirtir. Okay. Go ahead Josh. Here we go. Here we go. He said that annoyingly who cares you say in the Trap what I'm saying? Okay, if he wasn't going in before his conversation with Cara, he should have been going in after. Okay. I like what you said. He was just being honest. Thank you Benny. I have to this is going to be my I'm never I'm never sucking the but a car. I'm never doing that. Not gonna suck a butt. But listen what she said about Josh like that David we might dislike her actions later on but what she said about Josh was totally accurate when he started the conversation with I don't have anything against you. He's a walking contradiction brother went up to Josh axe DeWitt. Do you have a problem with me? She asked him that question specifically said in the game. This is my promise. You can be brought in game. He didn't even just say this personally as honest as possible. She asked him a question ma'am. Don't worry the live chat will be with you Pam. What do you think? Let us know let us know she's already so I just I do think a million percent Josh contradicted himself didn't know favors Cara and car doesn't contradict yourself or she's like talking about how everyone speak except her. And she comes out to be fake. I mean it's not but she caught yourself apples and oranges. Hold on back to the still of fruit. Josh Josh who she did it started with him saying hey, I have no problem with you not her saying do you have a problem with me and her and she said to that really? Well, who do you have a problem with them? Because you say you've got no problem with anyone like I like is it just Polly you have a problem with them and to which he said? Whoa Cara Cara oranges? You don't ask a question. You already know the answer to carlino's it Josh don't like her. So what the hell we doing here. I don't know. I like, you know, we have a lot of people supporting Josh. He's not backing down even though he knows that he's on the chopping block. He still stood up to her. Why don't cause he's like If he stood up even if he didn't stand up to her and he kissed her but he would still be here. It is your great ready answer this question. Thanks TC T stands up for himself and said the same thing Josh said you love he's not rude and obnoxious you that's the cleric and that the and then that's why it says he's saying the same lines. It's not rude. My question is Josh. Obnoxious. I have a manipulative game Pam. It's okay. You don't have to defend her. I know you want to he got out of her heart to heart with Josh without getting kiss. All right, I just want to kiss you. Banana. Banana is in cars cult. We'll get to it later. But everybody has tides and alliances and teams. I hate that it's like so don't get one. So don't get mad. Don't get mad at Josh. He was playing a very stupid. No one else would sit there and go you play said I don't care if I have to go in and well screw you too late. I know if you ask me genuine, you know your if you know, you're gonna go in because Josh thought he's really go away then why not get what you out what you want to say because you know, you're going in anyways. Yeah, why sugar cook why suck up to someone that you know, it's just not gonna suck you back that is make any sense being on a man. You got what I was going for. Okay anyway, so so the tribunal chose it again. Disney do you guys so now Theo is automatically the like, oh Theo you're going in just do you think Theo if he won and came back and went to the UK side. Do you think he would have really thrown the final are all the child answer is no right. I mean is it I know I know always be no because he would be he would definitely hold a grudge so I don't I don't know. I mean I will say I was riding with you on this episode. I was totally feeling how he was and that's why I said in the in the in the opener. Hin, awesome storyline this episode of Finding. I was like, so rooting for Theo until the eggs. I want George Wright always but I love to story line up until I found out who he was going to be competing against the elimination. I agree. I feel love. I love Theo and I felt terrible for him. Where's my Theo notes. I felt terrible for him. I did understand that at this point. It's again. There's no pretending anymore its alliances. Yeah. He don't know. He wasn't shocked. It sucked and I Liked his like I'm going to come back and get you all but I agree with Papa CT at that point you're gonna sabotage yourself from losing from winning a million dollars just to spite your team. Yeah to and this is another sort of callback is that it is interesting when these people are competing together. I find it hard as competitors for them not to try. I mean, I think they all do sort of try and work as a team and win. I don't think even during the competition's I think Everyone on Team USA is trying to win and everyone on team UK is turning out great. So far others back Turtle kind of cool to each other but it's hard to see when it turns to game and they're just dirty because the do you guys think the ocean is gone in is that all no because then I want to ask you. Oh, you do think you should go ahead II still again. I want I think food should have got a still think we're gonna rubbish. I mean it wouldn't happen. Of course. He's never gotten broken. You know what just because they had the numbers like I love Theo but they have the number so with the ocean to got it, okay. Okay, any family what right like I don't I didn't want the odigo right? I don't want him to go who deserve to go and see who's been in for a friggin. All right. Yeah, let's say Rogan or CT. Thank you. The answer David got it on the second try it see tino-rau. He has not done this season. Yeah, gouache not agree with you. I love CTI if I'm not being biased like all the people think we are in the chat outside of crap. I'm not being by CT as it has had a not a great season that's very competitively. He's made it far not competitive. This is why I vote Rogen has more dead weight than CT got CT what he lacks in, you know athleticism. He's really smart. He's a good leader, which is really helpful in these in the final. If you were gonna he's doesn't flip flop like Rogan. We're seeing already Rogen's already gonna throw Kaylee and he's already doubting himself. He can't stick with the plan he as he says, you know, he's in it for Glory. So his loyalties God knows where maybe with Joss but no one else and CT is good at puzzles. He is good at those things. He's good at and his physical size makes them valuable. And what is the biggest component of a final rodents? You bet. I mean, I like him but he what's the biggest component of a final that's not going to make it redirects. Yeah endurance and dum-dum one with you know Hunter and a she'll never do that again, whatever the thing is, it's endurance, but it's cardio. Here's the thing that we saw Reagan died of endurance. Right? We don't he says he's better now. We don't know yet. We haven't seen that so comparing the two and what we seen performance-wise in the past is really all we have have to ride with the younger player. I have to in this case. He's 10 years younger and I I know that there's a million components to a final but the overall one is if you're going to work as a team, everyone's got to get to that puzzle start it usually so you need to all be together. And if CTS eight miles back we can stare at that puzzle and solve it as much as we want. We gotta wait for CT. That's a good point. But that's also giving credit that Rogan can hang we don't I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if he does this except for this challenge. He hasn't been doing that bad, but he hasn't been he's let me see. He will curse you always say that bearest on National Television last time he does not want that to happen again. I guarantee you when he found out he was gonna be on this season. I mean, he was already training probably he hyper gear. All right, I'm saying she's saying like no. Oh, yeah. I mean maybe yeah, but again that can also hinder you because that requires more oxygen is you see big guys. That's actually I luckily YT Jordan does right Eileen. I looking for bigger guys because I know I'll eventually be them. You just wait till the gas out because they choked up they need the oxygen. Basically. They're the When you see a bigger guy requires a lot more for your muscles, and it does like someone who's like yeah like Jordan somebody, you know, you don't measure about Jordan is right here and it exactly your heart has that friggin heart. He'll just go doesn t matter how pass out before he stops. Yeah, right. So, I mean that that that there's a factor so it again I'm not trying to take credit away from Rogan. I don't know what he has you. So that's what I'm saying is like I want to see it. Yeah any memorable moments from the bar scene that you guys like to talk about because I'm open to whatever y'all want to talk about that nonsense in the bar II thought that both teams were just sitting there talking. At each other unfortunately car called Gang reminded me of the lavender ladies who you know how much I hate. It's like we've got power in numbers. We're going to be the bullies now because there's a bunch of us and I didn't like that. I'm just sad that cam is a part of that. She's so much better than that. Like I I would have thought she would have been on the other side, but they are that is on the winning side and she wants to win so unfortunately Paul, All he's gonna need some males on his team and he doesn't. Oh, I guess he's got Johnson Rogan. He-hey. They don't. Yeah. He definitely has Johnson wrote Because he got Josh hadn't voted him Georgia because of Pauline car wanted last night sucked. Apparently, they didn't again apparently that was like not according to Kaylee. I know I'm just saying what I watched. I'm sorry. How do I how do I describe this? Oh Polly knew and they didn't tell but now we're busy but one person's opinion was on an after show. We don't know that I don't know what to believe anymore. I'm just trying Leave what somewhat what's on actually saw on the episode last right? Okay, we can either all no one's ever going to agree. That's why this show so great talk about it other random comment is Nani. I understand that it wears you down and but I was a little disappointed in hard to for being so rattled she did come around later, but I wanted to see her, you know, the true test of your medal for anyone and a lot of these challenges that we've loved forever have been picked on and picked on him. Picked on and gone and gone and gone in and they come back and they keep it's the attitude when she was naughty just having the worst week ever where they let her go and do a real world type conversation with Jenna at home. No I never did. Last season where they did that with Zach and Jenna Zach was able to call Jenna they just wanted a story line there. So I don't know I don't but that but that made more sense because they had that big fight before Jenna left at that point. I don't know what happened that season but this one it didn't seem like the storyline really do we really care? Yeah not he's upset. She's always upset when we why did we need a whole nother five-minute conversation because we're doing today is that awesome hot these episodes back down to an hour. I don't need an hour and a half you can cut out that whole conversation with nany and Jenna family. Has changed your five minutes. I think I was more intrigued about that whole Flintstones, right? I was like where we Bedrock like, what is this? It's clearly room with never are the conversations, but they wanted to air this one conversation. That's what was very bizarre. It was a never really scripted. Jenna was in full makeup. She was ready for this interview. She knew she was going to be on it wasn't a conversation where she wasn't getting his little faith. She knew his face time. Honestly. I think the producers just wanted they thought it would be cool to just have a player. That's you. Leon the challenge every season a little Cameo Courtney figured it out. What for your Vera because we love Janet. That's why stock thank you Courtney. She said the light that's why I that's my it's Courtney. I agree with you. I know Benny Benny if you coolant is pumped about Jenna being back next season 3. I can't wait. It's going to be great. All right, so the bar stuff happens and then we get into I guess the elimination part. Yeah, we've all got stuff happens. Yeah, then the fake-out where are they the Josh stuff that was so where we think it's going to be Josh and we think it's going to be Josh. I was a boy Tori and Jordan have a really cute Montage. I was sitting there I love together and I love her. She's like We're the coolest people here, which is the best when you feel that way about like you and your partner to just show them watching all the people outside. And I mean you just have these just really nice very nice relationship moments where even know this is a real relationship and for anybody to doubt their love, let's get let's HSN Bottles on my own. Just how about car? I'm talk about anybody out there. It's like yeah. No, this is real. I know I know that they like to throw reality stuff and it's fake and it's a this is a real relationship and love and stop trying to I want to believe in true love, right? And this is it. This is puce confirmation for me our goals. I mean, they are really cute. I would love to have a million while really what yeah. Do you want a tissue and of guys, I'm not I get embarrassed a little bit because I do cry I do Kyle I talked about this the other seeing Danny made fun of me about it. I cry. Oh, I teared up out there a little bit but I was able to lighting with a but I don't want stop those guys. Yeah, I've got very water and ladies and ladies he is single and he is sensitive whatever it is what it is. Let's move. Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah, so we think it's going to does that dumb thing where she says? Hello. This is Josh's she says Josh is name like, okay. So now I'm pissed because I'm excited now. I'm a who ever Voting for someone different what gets to happen. Yeah. No. No, I'm just kidding who she was kidding. I knew Hannah found that since she was kidding the tiebreaker. They would just like see TJ always says you guys have to vote again and you have to decide or well one of you gets put on one and say or one of you gets thrown in that's what I was waiting for, but we didn't get to see it because cars it wouldn't have happened dude crying sighs. Well, she doesn't like people who move I'm not fake. I just pretend to say someone's name and then don't say stuff. With name? Okay Cara. It was very lame. And I think it was lame that they voted Jordan to begin with. I think that they should have voted. Joshan. Jordan is about I mean that was the theory the u.s. I mean then they can go against car again like Carl. What are you and Polly thinking really dumb Josh is such a with your competitor than Jordan. It's a never no one would disagree with that. Right? So why are you throwing him in because thank God for you could take out. They thought if we've got a chance to take out Jordan which again I still don't even understand this. This game before it's down there. They see nails they saw two sledgehammers later in the sand your tell me Paul and Karla. Oh, yeah. Theo's gonna take him in a sledgehammer contest when they know they were on a season with him prior at least car was worried destroyed big muscular Zach in the same type of Sledgehammer challenge. It was stupid. It was it was I agree 100% It's so interesting the word bias like I owe you. So bias against Cara, but she just does so many dumb things. How is that being by this isn't just me having an opinion on Carlos. It's hard, but it's a fine line, but it's like I'm just having an opinion here. It's just really hard to like her this point. I don't really hard if the wedding thing tonight with her reaction to that didn't switch everybody over. Yeah talk about that. Should we just tackle that it was? Well, let's just say this Jordan destroyed Theo he was he was made for that and that would goes with my conspiracy from earlier with that. The producers wanted him to swing it was great. I mean, you know, it started remember theaters you more and then it wasn't, you know, I was like Who's going to win but then it became clear it was Jordan way George side of happened proposal wise if Jordan did not win. I also think it's a win-win he's still he's not even there. But if you wanted if you've if you like hey before I go babe, right? I got some yeah that kind of thing wouldn't work either way for the producers, but obviously it was a better win that he got to propose to her and enjoying her on the same team a great course. So with let's get to the serious serious stuff with car has reaction to Tori and Jordan and her fake out with Josh. Having a hard time defending her. Um, it was really I'm curious to see she she heady if she's some Capital PTT very Petty person. I mean like I was surprised I think we were all so take, you know was the most surprised Paulie just like what big what do you do you guys You know, like something is it right. He has mad respect for Jordan to and I think that he really loves their relationship as we all do we love Jordan Tory's relationship. It's so good. Yeah. It's pure it's the real deal baby. And what stores last name? It's Diva. I'm a I'm an idiot an idiot. Not to have felt that and everybody even naughty was official folks Pam things cars monster like Janiece Aqua Funk was sorry if I'm saying too much just put Pam dot dot dot I know. I know we say the same thing. Is it is it? Okay. Well, this is interesting Raven Raven wrote. She can't disconnect. I think it would prefer a reference to Cara. She can't take you know separate game first is real. I'm not trying to well, that's where I said this and then I got heat, you know, I can't I get heat for even my car love or dislike. I said this before she to me is almost like a child actor like this is so embroiled in her life and so ingrained in her but there's no separation between life and the challenge and it would be nice. I'm glad she's taking a break but it is going to be like a season without bananas should be we're she walks she flip them off at one point. That was I didn't like Carly. Hell, what are we doing? Show it a downright ugly. Lisa you see it is very angry this season like have you noticed like I don't think I've ever seen her smile at all this season like she's always frown and she jumps. She's definitely very angry. There's something else going on for sure. Yeah the way Chikara. Yeah. Well I'm here for you girl. You need like a spa day or something. Yes take her out of the helmet. You gotta just will you treat her to a spot we can get her out here. Yes, come on. She dressed like you know Halloween last year for crying out loud. She loves you girl. Yep. Love you. Yeah, it's just that was not an attractive side to see it was hard to watch and everybody you could tell that contagious. Joy that everybody felt like we all did we did good the everything aside it felt like such contagious and I didn't really love and then and I think that is like the description of the show before so I had no idea that I said you like you said Pam they take their relationship to the next level. I didn't even read that about Jordan Tori. So I had no idea this was coming. Yeah me either and it was such a great ending. I have no nothing but nothing but love for them. Congratulations you guys. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. I mean, they're wonderful and they're all so amazing. They're wonderful together. You know, Jordan does get like, you know, he yells sometimes as he made the jokes and I look where they were they talking about they say and I'm yelling some more like I really do think Jordans a good person. Yeah, I do like I like you too. Yeah. I really like Jordan. Even though I mean and and the person who hates the most in the house is Cara and Jordan, that's who I don't like so it's kind of a how do I not like I love Jordan for all these things. I mean, it's you know, it is what it is. I got nothing else besides that I mean we can play my game real quick. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'm scared. Heck. Yeah. Um, I just think this is going to be a lot of fun guys. It's a different than news and gossip. It's time for my gameplay the cue music for that and there's none. I'm just joking. Oh, there it is to use pens. Sure. You can write this stuff. Up down man. Hey, all right. Have you ever wondered how much money that these guys actually make off the challenge though? Good. I've got you know, okay. I've got the top five people that have made the most money in challenge history. So we picking the top five from like winnings or away several winnings. Oh, no, not the winds. Like I've like actually 1/2 times or Turbo one once or you know, whatever who I want to know who made the most money I get space. TC T make the most money I mean like being paid for being on the show. No, I mean in total winnings. Oh totally not like bananas his day rate because it makes right. He's never won anything. He's don't want like it wet in the Times West as one did it did his winnings add up to top forgot it. Okay. All right. I got the top five right here. Was it Sarah? Was it? Okay was it was it anyone else want to well, I think it would have to be turbo right because he would That was the biggest pot so far. Yeah. Okay. So you're putting turbo on your also. Okay turbo is one. He's in second place. He has he won the $750,000. So he's in season. You got the number number to anyone else who actually has the number one spot $1,250 because she won two chi1 invasion of the Champions and she one final Reckoning. Geez, you got three through five still to guess bananas. Is in the three spot excellent job Betty he has he has won six hundred eighty two thousand seven hundred and ninety-three dollars right behind him as somebody else Cara Cara at six hundred and two thousand two hundred fifty dollars. So she's about 80,000 shy of him. And in the fifth spot your got the guess him. He might be the hardest to get him. It's him up. I just gave that away. Oh Wes not Wes Jordan. Mike should be asking $500. You guys did great guys. Wow, I got them all except for a nice wedding. Yeah, it's for yeah, so that things like has a real career to like we had go back and watch our episode where Tori and Jordan joined us last year. Yeah on our first episode. They tears just like has a total real. He like has an acting career and makes a clothing line I want. Clothing line to definitely check it out. Yeah. Yeah Mork is that that you guys got it so quick to throw out like some like hints or something, but you guys did great you guys do we we know our challenge? 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On this week's episode of The Challenge wedding bells are here and Cara has no cheer. Theo gets a storyline and then gets the hammer. And we get our second turncoat. Watch Dan, Benny, Pam, and David break all things Challenge related down! About The Challenge After Show: The Challenge, a mix between Real World and Road Rules Challenge, featuring alumni from the past shows as the contestants compete for a cash prize, is such an insane show, we HAVE to talk about it! That's why we have THE CHALLENGE AFTER SHOW! Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show as we go crazy. It's going to get bananas because there's basically a different guest each week! About The Challenge: It's every player for himself in this edition of the long-running reality competition "The Challenge," which for the first time shuns team play and awards a final prize that could exceed $500,000 to one person. The fun begins with 28 cast members -- fan favorites from "The Challenge" joined by contestants from "Big Brother" and stars from MTV UK's "Ex on the Beach" and "Geordie Shore" -- in Spain looking to settle personal vendettas. In a new twist, players who survive grueling elimination rounds are awarded "Grenades," allowing them a chance to get even with anyone in the house with whom they may have a beef. It adds up to a competition spiced with heightened drama, doubt and deception. ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 