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We are talking all of that and more stay tuned you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look, My voice is sometimes it's because I'm just freaking out series finale. I am always in Black. I literally in a glass case of emotion over here to gloat Anchorman. Thank y'all so much for joining us for the final episode of our after-show. We're in the live chat. So be sure to let us know what you thought so much happening in this episode. Of course, they'll combine all of us at AfterBuzz TV. I'm your host April listen hand joined by my Lovely Francesca Dugan High bringing you all the finale heat baby. What did you think of this series finale? I mean, it can't believe it's over. I know I did like seeing everybody. I thought that was a nice touch. Yeah, and I felt like they wrapped up everything pretty well a lot better than I thought that they would I would say I had my skepticism on hand because we've heard so much. About how it actually ends but without Ridley like spoiling anything whatsoever. I'm actually pretty dang. Please don't be sad about a few things before we get into it. Make sure y'all stay tuned for our spouse our special segment. We have a top three for you. All we are going to be doing top three most pivotal moments in Orange is the New Black History as well as some may be some predictions for what happens to them in the future. Okay a Huna obviously we start this episode off with everyone's kind of Reeling over the death of pins at uh key I definitely did not I'm sorry. I wasn't here. I was on vacation only miss you when I'm back. So I don't know exactly what you guys said, but that was very very shocking. Yeah, seeing that happen. And yeah, did you I changed my tune. I think as Briana and I were talking about it. Do you think it was a suicide or no? You know, I think I kind of did feel that because she did say, you know, that's a lot for you to handle and she was a small girl and she was even smaller and it just really sucks because you know, we see later that she passed that was one of the like I think it was supposed to be a happy moment, but it wasn't it literally like ripped me to shreds seeing that happen and because unlike if you did commit suicide like who's in the moment, I forget who says it. Throughout the show where they're like or Suzanne says that where she's like, there's always tomorrow. No poussey said it last episode in the flashback. All right. No, I'll have to say or she's like, there's always tomorrow. The next day is always better and there's not necessarily in a lot of scenarios like we see for people throughout the episode but sometimes there is and it just kills me and I know she felt so beaten down there's part of me that thinks it was an accident though. That's why I asked you I went in definitely thinking Ting suicide but then Branagh pointed out. She's like she has she's done a fair amount of drugs in her day. She hung up. I don't know. I guess we'll obviously we'll never know I typically land on the side of it's a suicide but moral of the story everyone's kind of mourning her throughout the episode later in the episode when they do like the singalong with the Mountain Dew's along. I was like what the first of all that was hilarious. It was hilarious and Suzanne can sing really well. Actually he can You can sing it she can sing to me about soda. I'll take it away anything I I forgot about the relationship that pennsatucky & Co Dixon had never liked when they ran away with the guy that shows our animal and everything. Alright, so I liked it was a good they remembered her in a very good way all throughout the episode. I thought I want to start off mainly with talking about one of the biggest moments of the episode in my opinion and it has been a Hot Topic. Like I have somehow managed to avoid any and all spoilers about the season. So seeing what goes down between diet and Elena has need fully like I don't even know what to think. I just first off straight off the bat. Do you think that diet is dead? Yes, you do. Yeah. I mean she I was trying to figure out what where did she is that some like strict? I need to know for self-defense. She like At first I thought she had like a Pan pulled out a pen over pocket like stabbed or something, but she she got we got her well, so there's a part of like someone's throat where you can hit them. I think it's like right under where your abs up a little bit I think and you hit them there and it just like makes you choke obviously but then a later fully jumps on her. I've been thinking that agreeing and thinking that she was dead, but then I'm like they would pull her off on Tom right? I don't know she and I don't know and I mean she was Doing it for real because she's dying. I said, you know, I I've killed you haven't killed people. I have killed people and she's like well now I'm going to feel what it's like. So if she didn't she definitely heard her pretty pretty bad. Yeah. I think that the moment that obviously through elata over the bridge is when her ex is coming to see her and she says that Dyess connect which we haven't known at. All right is her sister and then through the some guy And then even in that moment when Dyer says and you know, I think the other one Lussier, I'm gonna name I think she's going to join in as well. I think elata she I mean she's realize for a long time that she's kind of lost her but I think in that moment she was like, oh heck. No, I'm not going to lose two more to you and it's just kind of sad because she's the reason why she lost them in the first place just how she is as a mom and we've talked about this another episodes. She hates kids. I don't know why she you know, she had so many Right, but diet kind of was speaking the truth. What this is the family business like it's true. Yeah, you're a pro. It's not always just nature versus nurture like a lot of it is where you grew up and how you grow up and I think that steal a diet going through some of the stuff she's gone through it. And obviously the drugs my a major part of this dial was not the person that she is now before she did any sort of drugs. I think that was ass like one of the saddest things You know, there's a lot of sad things that happen in this series, but I think that's one of the saddest saddest things especially in this season is just seen diet. Just there's nothing that could be done to bring her back. The only thing I thought could was seeing seal been at for some reason but then the one character they did it bring back. Let's see how baby he's the one I wanted to see somebody I guess he was busy filming how to get away with her. Do you see open it if that helps Daya that when she Asked earlier in the episode Helmand to get involved with this like fentanyl that she has fentanyl. Obviously. It's a very serious drug and is used for in major surgeries for pain. Of course. I was just like there's just there's just no coming back for her and it sucks that what was one or once originally one of my favorite characters. It's just yeah, there's no end in sight for her. On her kind of topic when she gives Helmand the drugs and he goes to put it in the chicken. But oh my God was with a second. He pulled out that chapstick. I was like, oh, please no. All right, and I'm like you me a chickens, but I don't know a lot about chickens buzz, but like I've also cooked a chicken before and they're not very big and something big crabbit. He's putting in there. I've I thought I didn't realize they because they made it seem like it was a whole like canister. Yeah, right you here to me out. But to me that sounds impossible, but I thought he was gonna put like just the pills. Yeah up the chicken and the chicken is gonna explode. Yeah. So the chickens were gonna die. I was like really bad about for chicken or chicken. It's just crazy not to skip ahead but it's I think it's very telling that he is the one in the big seat at the end. I mean who better and I say that sarcastically exactly. Yeah, and I mean, that's what he wanted. That's what I think they did that for a reason just to show us what they showed us. Like there's in every sort of situation and especially in the prison system. Like those are the people who are going to get ahead because he managed to fake it like all throughout the episode when Ward is like let's do this crate. I don't want anything. We know that what Linda's gonna come in and like kill me basically because it bends a Shaka dying so they do this big drug sweep. Don't find anything, but it's like That's the kind of person that he can he can hide it and the moment. It's like he's no he's no different than we've seen at the beginning and he has that conversation with Alex and like he's like, oh, yeah, I'll shove it down your throat. Whatever. He says, I don't know. It just makes me sad that he's in that situation and obviously since he's in that situation we seek we know that word gets fired. I'm not surprised. I actually hired II for a while. I thought that that was going to happen, but then the last few episodes leading up to the finale. Yes, I felt like she was doing really well and she was taking you know, taking her power and using it and being very strong and then stupid stupid pills in the chickens. Right? I mean literally F at the one exact moment, but I think and I'm curious to see what you think because I think that it was actually she even says the best thing for her and I truly think it was because in the moment where she's talking to Linda and the hallway and she's talking about kind of turning pinzon. Chucky's death around to saying that she like hoarded the medications from people. I was like, ooh, you're already kind of turning a little bit. I thought the same thing I when I heard her say that I completely forgot about that until you brought it up when I heard her say that I was like, oh no, we've lost her too. So yeah, I'm it's good that she's gone. And I mean Hellman lives up to his name, so I haven't thought of it like that. Well, I'm happy that She's happy in her situation. I really hope that she and tasty like actually stay in touch because they seem to be able to bridge that gap of friend versus Ward not versus but like just the differences between them. So we'll see. Yeah, I mean she helped basically save Tasty's life too. So that's true. I'm just so happy that tasty ended up at the situation that she said. I'm not yeah. But I'm very happy that she did not die or they didn't kill her off actually, what did you think about when she was sitting there with Ward and Ward kept referring to pennsatucky as her friend. She kept saying she's not my friend. I think it's just a form of like coping and denial because if she's her friend then it's another friend that she lost. Yeah, you're right. I didn't think about that because I was like, why is she saying that but then she turns around and uses propels this horrible situation. Into one helping her save her life as well. And then to remembering sharing of course, she always thinks about poussey but remembering her more and then getting to this the fund that we talked about, right? Yeah when Ward like she's opening the things that word left her which of the diplomas obviously it like you see something click and her and she realizes that even though she may be I mean, I like to hope that tasty is definitely going to be out of the situation helps them to know that she's in I I mean So we don't see any of that like those predictions we were talking about. We'll just do them all throughout the episode. Right? But I like to think of her as being out of prison eventually and the charge of the murder and everything being overturned because she's just doing so much she brings Judy King in the mix. I was so excited to see Judy King and so surprised her book cracks me up. I know right but the fact that like she actually like, you know you Have to contact someone like with a lot of power Judy has his book out. So I'm happy that she took the step to really make this happen because she was trying with Caputo and write that obviously didn't work. So I'm happy that she is but it just I'm like, oh she can just do so much more. So I really like just as a viewer as a fan I picture her as being out of prison eventually, but she's doing amazing things and to see her story wrap up with like, okay, you're the first people get into micro loans it just kind of ice climbing my heart smile. Yes. What? Think of the moment between her and Suzanne and the chicken coop where she is basically like wow Suzanne, you've grown up. I'm happy that they had that moment. That's why I asked you I am happy that we have had that moment to and that's of course when we were still thinking. Oh my God, is she gonna take her life? So it was almost kind of sad to me too. But Suzanne also has really grown this season like they're talking about she's not a kid and you know quote unquote kid. She's grown up, right? She's you know, you saw her with like pennsatucky. In the episode really helping her I completely forgot the quote. She was saying about her mom what her mom said. Oh, so I see good that our last episode. I was like that moment. I know she was talking to pennsatucky and that moment but like she was talking to me about like don't listen to the people that don't even know you right listen to the people that you do know. Yes. That was like wow that you should do like just seeing that Men in the last episode and then, you know having Tasty tell her like how much she's grown and how she wants her to keep being this. I liked so touching. I know the whole season for Suzanne or the in the recent episodes. I should say like seeing her lock the chickens up in the chicken cheese chicken strip doing all that. It's been so obviously reflects what she's gone through and like, you know one person does one bad things that shouldn't you separate them from the rest. If you don't have anything else that you should do and It was I'm happy that that whole situation kind of came to fruition and seeing her release them where she realized this isn't the right thing to do. Although I guess fully releasing them probably wasn't the right thing to do because that's bad. I guess we'll more get fired because of it, but you know Suzanne, I love how her character that they gave her the song like we talked about earlier that man do something. I know. I'm just happy that we got to see, you know, there hasn't been much happening in her own personal story line this season. Then just like the development of kind of seeing her grow, but I'm happy that we got these moments with her for sure and she really does have a good voice. I really don't like really does. I know I love it before we move on to our next topic. We just want to thank all of y'all for making us the ESPN of TV talk be sure. If you're on iTunes watching us on YouTube give us five stars and comment. Give us a great rating. We definitely want to know what y'all have to say about the episode as well. We just want to thank you all so much for watching with us all season long and all of our other Shows that we do here we couldn't do anything without you all we all appreciate AfterBuzz and you so much. So make sure to like subscribe and check out all the other after shows that we do and let us know if y'all want to see any others. So thank you so much. Thank you. We have there's so many little different facets of this episode, but we finally got to happy endings in Gloria. Oh, I know. I know. I'm so happy about that. Hers is one of the ones that I'm the happiest to see obviously and did you think that she was going to get released or did you think because you know the moment luschek at the beginning right? Well the second he admitted to to the phone's I felt like a sense of relief and I knew that that would that would go forward and that she would get released. So I was really happy. Do you think that the guilt of pennsatucky of him like not, you know turning her extra time was still looming over him and that's why he did it or Or I've always thought she kind of had a little feelings for Gloria. Oh definitely didn't they like last season or two season goes and they like totally like flirt when he was doing the devic device learning and they were doing the salsa together. No. Yeah, he did. Aye. Aye. He felt guilty. He definitely felt guilty. I think he did and you know, we've seen him kind of be this like black sheep of the of the CEOs the whole time and I think finally he just like realize and especially Her telling him like grow up. You never take responsibility, whatever and seeing that I think at least that he did have a crush on her. Yeah, it kind of he kind of realize like what the heck am I doing here? And like he needed to be fired? Oh like season one be fired. It's kind of poetic justice. I feel like there's character because he's done so much wrong, but then he ends admitting to doing something that he actually isn't doing whatsoever. It's crazy McCullough over there that's been doing it. Oh well. Wasn't he bringing in phones for a while or not this season? Not this he's okay, but I guess maybe it could be one that he used to bring it. I mean he's brought in a lot of stuff. So like whatever he's just always down for whatever I don't know well also because he's afraid of like getting shanked by that's true, but she said multiple times but by luschek you deserve to be fired, but how we will miss you. I don't know but Gloria obviously we see ends up back with our kids and I'm just so happy and Do you feel like her sitting the book to Maria at the end is like forgiveness? Oh, I think it was kind of like a truce. Yeah, because you know, she she took everything that she did that with the riot all that with ruiz like to heart and the fact that she admitted to the phone and was accepting of the fact that she might not leave in 9 days. I think they just kind of It was like a conch like I don't know how to describe it. But she felt yeah, it was like a truce letting her know that we're good. We good. We good. We good. I don't think I wonder if she would have been that way had she still gotten in trouble. Now. She probably would have still been pissed no matter what if she had got if she had not left out. They'd still be Probably Bitch gonna blow. Yeah. Yeah. Well one happy ending the other happy ending Blanca. Oh, I know that it was a teeny tiny snippet of the episode. I know but um one of probably my favorite Happy Endings or just endings period in this in the show was seeing her get reunite. Well not even reading it but like when she essentially gets her criminal case overturned and the lady says you're free with a green card so go and It yep, and she goes right to her man's right and they talked about being nasty in a shed. Like they obviously would yes. Oh, yeah, that's something know that I'm I yeah, I was very happy for her. Um the awesome or other ice lady's and when I say that I'm saying like the people who are some the kitchen obviously read had some tough moments tonight. I I think one of the funniest parts of the episode was when she bumped, you know, when she first got into Florida and she ran into To Frieda Frieda and she afraid I was so scared. I've never seen for you scared before dropping I was dying. I was like, oh my God, it's right. She's literally coming in and out of Consciousness for free just like crew but then she remembers Sheriff. I'm like kind of happy that she remembers but then I've also kind of haven't fully forgotten what free the did to read but like there's just so much other stuff going on with her, but I'm like all they could be friends again, but then again free that did like don't sell this. Roaring through all this extra time today, it's me your grandson and I don't know what it was. It was Nicky or someone was talking to Lauren and they're like what happens? Oh, she didn't get to see her grandson or something. I don't know. So yeah, that wasn't she was like, oh, yeah Nikki obviously is full full-on kitchen. Mom replacing red as that but one of the for me anyway, the toughest moments was when read as talking to Lorna. They're all in Florida obviously and when she is like laying there with Lorna and her lap and Lorna's like sucking her thumb like a baby and she's like singing to her. I mean do you think Lauren has ever going to be able to come back from where she is or this right think she completely broke the moment that they found her in the chicken coop. Trying to nurse a chicken. Yeah. Yeah, which I didn't fully know that I feel like they just said that in an episode but when they caught her like I remember seeing Right there, but I guess maybe I just didn't put two and two together. I didn't think about either and until they said it but yeah, she had it under her her sweatshirt. Right? So I just assumed she was printing pretending to be pregnant, but I guess she was trying to nurse the chicken has trying to embarrass the chicken. I was just sound so low so ouch that would hurt I know but no I don't think she's ever really coming back from that and it actually was it last episode right that it was kind of heartbreaking to see see. The her husband and Nikki have that talk and yeah that realization and they both know like they're at that's what I set up like Nikki wants to be with her because she's our best friend. But like she's also not a mental health care professional, right but like nobody wants to be the it's like putting you know someone in a nursing home, it's not it's different but like, you know, we can parallel for certain reasons. No one ever wants to be the person that leaves somebody obviously and I feel like that's what Nikki It was feeling like but also at some point if you can't take care of someone you can't be you can't spend your whole life, you know waiting for the other shoe to drop which is why I think what read said in the last episode to Nikki was so important and now she is she's doing her thing. I mean, I don't she can't really go and visit or not obviously, but that's another situation where I think like, oh, they'll see each other. I'd be happy unless I just got out of jail, then they'll be fine, but I don't I don't think that's happening now. Especially not for Lorna. She's going to be in some sort of facility probably for the rest of her life. Yeah, definitely on those people as well. One of our obviously very sad moments was the Carla situation where we see her hiking back across to the United States. I was surprised to see her. Yeah. I mean, I feel like they literally brought everyone almost everyone back in this episode except co-benefit pissed off about that, right, but it's tough because that's that's literally it. Of reality and so many people get hurt and die trying to come back they've been deported or they're trying to go for the first time. I actually in college went to Nogales Mexico and we drove out to see I was it was a volunteer stuff and everything. So we were learning about all the immigration and all that and we drove out to a site and you just see like backpacks everywhere. Broken shoes. It's like people just leave everything and they're trying so hard, you know to cross they leave everything people died out there all the time and that was just like a reminder like that. Yeah, it's really hard. I didn't expect to see her again because I just thought okay that is her story just with her not being a Superman character throughout all the seasons, of course, but I think obviously that did that on purpose and with the with the song that they played with the United States Song and it's just it's It's a very difficult situation thing for anyone to watch and for anyone to really think about but it's something so real that obviously happens and I feel like more than anything more than like things that have happened to our characters like this show especially in this past season with all that's going on has just basically like I feel like enlightened people even people that that, you know, maybe think the opposite and that maybe are like no we don't like immigration. I feel like it's still will reach a part of them. That is like oh but something's something has to change. Yeah, and I think that's what they did kind of more than anything. Yeah, they really kept it real because they kept it real and yeah, like you said like even if it's not changing someone's mind like the more you're learning and seeing about it just it just helps in some shape or form empathy is very important. No matter what even if you like take the laws out of it take whatever you can still feel for a And that's going through that in a separate it with our children and that could potentially die in the wilderness. Right when she initially came on the screen. I was like no Carl, you're not trying again already only because I don't and I shouldn't have thought this but I was like, oh she's gonna really figure it out and make sure she gets in legitimately because it's her kids, but obviously, I don't think she would have been doing it if she could have found a way to do it legitimately which something that like everybody has to think about I know especially As you know the last episode we talked saw her talking on the phone with her two boys, like girls just heartbreaking. Yeah, and I hate to say it but I feel like she didn't make it out of the desert. Yeah. I mean how she could she literally couldn't stand what she needs to do is take some leaves wrap it up set her ankle get some steaks. How about you guys but you know, we like to think I do live in and chat says I hate that they did that to Carla. So do we obviously um, I Of course we have to touch on are Piper and our Alex. I thought but the paper was gonna run into the sunset with Zelda. I thought she was going to wear. Was it murder? Not Martha's Vineyard. Where was it? The Hamptons? Yeah Northampton or something. I also like how amazing did the Hamptons outright that take. I'll go with these Zelda. It's fine. That'll be great. I like I was telling you I thought she was like she going to Alaska. She going to like have like a she talking about Not cleansing and this and this and like oh my gosh, like kind of like Dexter Dexter went up to like Alaska in the last episode or whatever the heck he went. Right and she's gonna like learn about herself and like know she was an Ohio but leave it to Larry though to drop some knowledge on her and to change my mind a little bit. So clearly you think that it was very bad that she was going to see Alex. I don't think it was bad. I was just I just wanted like a different story for her. Do you think that it that it means that they are together? No, I don't think that they're together but I think that you know throughout the Book of the throughout the episode. They said you know how always love you. I'll think about you every day. No matter what I think there's just some people that you meet and you just can't you can't not have them in your life. Exactly. And so I think she's going up there and she's gonna she's gonna figure herself out but she still has this love for her and she's just going to kind of be there. Yeah, I I'm first of all love seeing Larry I hate thank you. Thank you for giving up. But in that moment where he's telling her, you know all the stuff that he's saying like you want it you need to be special whatever. Obviously we know that these things are true about Piper but it's actually what ended up changing my mind maybe about the situation because of how real it seemed to me when she's like, I'm just heartbroken and I don't know. To deal with it because I think that the her actions with Zelda, you know all I kept thinking both with her and Alex I'm like, it's too soon like one bad thing happens and you go and run off and like you don't even know what happened Piper went which he initially run off with Zelda and as much as I think she's good for her. I think that Larry kind of or could be, you know for an extended period of time I think Larry in some way but basically offending her also made her see that you you know, what, When he said what would new Piper do her going to Zelda, it would be the exact thing that she did with Alex. You don't think I know you're right her going and having this person essentially support her. Not that she couldn't have, you know had a job and got on her feet whatever but I think maybe dropping that hopefully still friends with her. Yeah, it does it sell do I think Zelda was a great character and she was exactly what Piper needed at that point in time in her life. And yeah, you're right you she'd even even really Break up with Alex yet, and she was already kind of having feelings for Zelda and you do need that alone time. So that's why I thought she was going to Alaska so she could be alone, Alaska. All right, but whatever but do you feel like Larry's always loved her this whole time kind of but I think he has love for her and I liked seeing the little like sniffing moments where he's like, sorry past burn or whatever. He said, but I think that he's definitely like fully With Papi. Oh, yeah. I mean they're all right now with her second child. I still don't like that situation. I don't like care for her either but it's fine. We don't have to stare. I'm okay. I'm happy but I feel like Piper is doing her own thing right now. And that's why we see her with you know, she looks like she's back. She's going to school also hit us up with a free latte. Yay Starbucks. She's going to school and I think really she actually is going to sleep Piper Alex mainly because like to help her out and some Legal way maybe. I don't know Alex though is turn the prison we were so upset about her being so dohyo, but that's a prisoner. But I was so nice to see everybody's faces Briana and I were talking about last episode. We were like, how did we not it was one of her predictions and I was like take you really because she has a watch the episode since she knew she wouldn't be with us tonight. And she was like, you just clicked like something like that sounds familiar and she was like wasn't the place that everyone else was all mine. Oh God, I completely did not even think about that. I didn't put it together whatsoever. But it was so good. I mean we literally see every every Jones boo. Everybody's there boo. I know boo I miss boo and I kept forgetting. I'm like, even when I saw her like what happened to boom Oh, does she got transferred? Yeah in that big thing and that's when a whole like transition of the show happened. So it was good to like be reminded of that and to like just see all of their smiling cute faces. I really fast on that my wanted to say that my favorite person that I saw in this episode. I'm gonna dock you say so I think you're going to say was I cannot remember her name when she shows up at the ice Detention Center the Asian lady. Oh, I can't remember her name either. But yes good. I love like she was one of my favorite characters. Yeah. She was amazing the whole season and I thought that was hilarious was like, oh my God. She's another one. She's back. We see like crazy meth heads. Still looking exactly the same. I mean literally everybody so it was so good to see we mr. Mustache. Mr. Mustache mustache. The guy who has died is baby. That's it's not actually his baby. It's been it's but he when he's sitting in the kitchen, that was good, even though Daya is incapacitated or maybe dead it was good to see the like her babies taken care of. I completely forgot that he was taking care of her. Yeah. I mean him her it was like his mom first and then yes, I was like Like do they recast Bennett also mustaches not but it's not there. Yeah, what else from the episode this is it did he did it Caputo and I'm big are adopting a baby. What's the I like had I like how it's like skipped when I was watching it was she singing them a song about weed. She was singing all alone, huh? Palmdale fun to Palmdale. I don't know. Song no, so I was like 45. I'm not very cool. But if I'm to the exact this kids great for them, but it was perfect. But I thought she was pregnant like in real life. You thought know like on the show. I thought she was pregnant. I mean real life in the show. Yes when she handed the peak up right when she was getting the abortion for that lady. I thought she was actually legitimately pregnant. I'm happy that they're adopting as well. But I did I thought she was pregnant to I knew that to or to me. I thought it was that she I thought it was because she was trying Make it a ruse. I was thinking maybe she had the P from the other girl just in case that they they tested it because she really wanted to get that medicine to to the girl and the Detention Center. I love how they're talking about wanting a boy and then and like under to because you know, you got to mold them, right and then this like seven year old girl walks up seems Colt 45 and I like you're it you're it. I'm happy to see a good I was really happy and I had them we got to see Janae. Yes, we did get to see her so many good things happening. Literally everybody. Everybody got good endings. No, actually not a lot of no problem whatsoever a lot did though I have to say and I thought yeah, I was very pleasantly surprised us is that our wrap-up of the series finale I Want Is the New Black? It's just it's just like so much stuff like a don't want it to end but I can't think because my brains just like oh my God, I know let's do our special segment. Okay, who said that who said it who's that? It was gonna go through some quotes from the episode and I'm going to guess test who said it. Okay, it's hard to sing with no teeth. Oh God, who said that is that your final answer? I don't know. It was Hellman, too. Oh to diet diet, right? All right, this one this this whole scene kind of cracked me up, but does she spark Joy Caputo said that no, no, no man. It was a Piper's dad when he was talking about. His wife was Maria con doing the house. He Maria condone her love life Alex, by the way. Well, they did put her in jail. So make sense. Yeah. I have to put her job. This one should be easy breezy take a cup of yellow drink and raise it up. Suzanne, yes, you know know more, you know more point out a little liquor for the for the for your friends the homeless, you gotta do yellow drink now you go and probably one of the funniest moments for me drugs fell out of a chicken's butt. Was it it was either? Linda Ward are Linda Ward or Hellman? Yeah, you got one of them. Okay. Well ding ding when she was talking to two tasty about what happened. She said drunk Bob at chickens, but it's what is she like I can't make this stuff up very pivotal. We can't believe what yeah. It happens in this show. Okay. Let's do our special segment. We are doing a matter special segment our top three, which is a special special segment of our what we considered to. Be the top three most pivotal moments throughout the whole entire series of Orange Is the New Black very important things that either like changed the show or just majorly shifted things for characters. Obviously number three we have when daya shoots the CEO who she didn't initially murder him obviously, but this is definitely the switch for Daya completely. Obviously she's being fuel here by Murray. Mia with Maria, but it changed everything changed the whole dynamic of the show. And obviously after this we never see the same old diet that we see before grammar. Number two. Most pivotal moment. We're going to say is Tasty's trial just you know, just to see her obviously another result of the riot, but to see her going through this just because of other people lying in her just kind of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and you know stepping up for As she did and then to lose it. Yeah, it's just I really hope she comes out of it. Number one. Most pivotal moment is poussey say yes obviously leads to the riot. Right just one of the most talked about topics ever wear it created the poussey Washington fund which is of course a fund to help out female prisoners and just kind of olds tasty with the microloan situation. Yeah. It actually created real life change and a real thing that we can all donate to in a way to keep us connected to the ship to the show forever and chat you all agree poo side. I was number one as well. I mean it literally changed the show like you just said it made number to happen, which was well, sorry number three happen, which was the whole Riot that caused the whole Riot and that whole Riot cause number two, which was Tasty's trial. I mean it literally completely changed the whole trajectory of the show right after that is when they split so when we lost the Is that we see tonight? Because I got transferred definitely number one for sure. We're going to miss these characters so much. I'm so sad even more than that. We're going to miss our viewers. We've had so much fun with y'all doing this after show such a great show just for society and for us as television fans, obviously in the meantime, you all can keep up with me on the affair after-show and soon-to-be how to get away with murder after show. I'm April. Instant hit and you can find me everywhere at April Listen Here Without You. Yeah, and I'm doing Ballers on HBO. It's not back yet soon enough. And other than that, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram it XOXO Cesc a thanks for hanging out with you guys. Y'all can find all of us, of course everywhere at AfterBuzz TV. Definitely let us know what you thought of the episode because we are going to continue the conversation forever and ever and ever and we will look forward to seeing you all on another shift soon. Bye. Our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz TV.com and check out our lineup Buzz see you later use express herein are those of the host only do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners of principle. What did I do? Was it Nick was Nicky or someone was talking to Lauren and they're like what happens? Oh, she didn't get to see her grandson or something. I don't know. So yeah that was actually was like, oh, yeah, that's Nikki obviously is full full-on kitchen. Mom replacing red as that but one of the for me anyway, the toughest moments was when read is talking to Lorna because they're all in Florida obviously and when she Like laying there with Lauren and her lap and Lorna's like sucking her thumb like a baby and she's like singing to her. I mean do you think Warren has ever going to be able to come back from where she is or those right think she completely broke the moment that they found her in the chicken coop. Trying to nurse a chicken. Yeah. Yeah, which I didn't fully know that I feel like they just said that in an episode but when they caught her like I remember seeing something right there, but I guess maybe I just didn't put two and two together. Yeah. I didn't think about either and until they said It but yeah, she had it under her her sweatshirt. Right? So I just assumed she was printing pretending to be pregnant. But I guess she was trying to nurse the chicken has trying to nurse the chicken. I was just sound so low so ouch that would hurt I know but no I don't think she's ever really coming back from that and it actually was it last episode right that it was kind of heartbreaking to see see her husband and Nikki have that talk and yeah that Ization and they both know there. That's what I said. I'm like Nikki wants to be with her because she's our best friend. But like she's also not a mental health care professional, right but like nobody wants to be the it's like putting you know someone in a nursing home, it's not it's different but like, you know, we can parallel for certain reasons. No one ever wants to be the person that leaves somebody obviously and I feel like that's what Nikki was feeling like, but also at some point if you can't take care of Someone you can't be you can't spend your whole life, you know waiting for the other shoe to drop which is why I think what red said in the last episode to Nikki was so important and now she is she's doing her thing. I mean, I don't she can't really go and visit or not obviously, but that's another situation where I think like, oh, they'll see each other. I'd be happy unless they just go to jail then that we fine but I don't I don't think that's happening now. No, especially not for Lorna. She's going to be in some sort of facility probably for the rest of her life. Yeah. Slowly on those people as well. One of our obviously very sad moments was the Carla situation where we see her hiking back across to the United States. I was surprised to see her. Yeah. I mean, I feel like they literally brought everyone almost everyone back in this episode except co-benefit exactly pissed off about that. Right, but it's tough because that's that's literally a tough reality and so many people get hurt and die. Die trying to come back they've been deported or they're trying to go for the first time. I actually in college went to Nogales Mexico and we drove out to see I was it was a volunteer stuff and everything. So we were learning about all the immigration and all that and we drove out to a site and you just see like backpacks everywhere broken shoes. It's like people just leave everything and they're trying so hard. Are you know to cross they leave everything people die out there all the time and that was just like a reminder like that. Yeah, it's really hard. I didn't expect to see her again because I just thought okay, that is her story just with her not being a Superman character throughout all the seasons, of course, but I think obviously that did that on purpose and what this with the song that they played with the United States Song and it's just it's it's a very difficult situation thing for E12 watch and for anyone to really think about but it's something so real that obviously happens and I feel like more than anything more than like things that have happened to our characters like this show especially in this past season with all that's gone on has just basically like I feel like enlightened people even people that that, you know, maybe think the opposite and that maybe are like no we don't like immigration. I feel like it's still will reach a part of them. That is like oh but something's Something has to change. Yeah, and I think that's what they did kind of more than anything. Yeah, they really kept it real because they kept it real and yeah, like you said like even if it's not changing someone's mind like the more you're learning and seeing about it just it just helps in some shape or form empathy is very important. No matter what even if you like take the laws out of it take whatever you can still feel for a person that's going through that in a separated with their children and that could potentially die in the Wilderness, right when she initially came on the screen. I was like no Carl. You're not trying again already only because I don't and I shouldn't have thought this but I was like, oh she's gonna really figure it out and make sure she gets in legitimately because it's her kids, but obviously, I don't think she would have been doing it if she could have found a way to do it legitimately, which is something that like everybody has to think about. I know especially cuz you know the last episode we talked saw her talking on the phone with her two boys like girls just Game, yeah, and I hate to say it but I feel like she didn't make it out of the desert. Yeah, I mean how she could she literally couldn't stand what she needs to do is take some leaves wrap it up set her. Ankle. It's some sticks how about you make light of it but you know, we like to think I do live in and chat says I hate that they did that to Carla. So do we obviously um, I of course we have to touch on are Piper and our Alex I thought but the paper was gonna run into the sunset with Zelda. I thought she was going to wear was it might not Martha's Vineyard. Where was it? The Hamptons? Yeah Northampton or something also like how amazing did the Hamptons sound right like that take off. I'll go with these Zelda. It's fine. That'll be great. I like I was telling you I thought she was like she going Alaska she going to like have like a she talking about cleansing and this and this and like, oh my gosh, like kind of like Dexter Dexter went up to like Alaska in the last episode or whatever the heck he went, right and she's gonna like learn about herself and like know she was an Ohio but leave it to Larry though to drop some knowledge on her and to change my mind a little bit. So clearly you think that it was very bad that she was going to see Alex. I don't think it was bad. I was just I just wanted like a different story for her. Do you think that it that it means that they are together? No, I don't think that there too. Heather but I think that you know throughout the Book of the throughout the episode they said you know how always love you I'll think about you every day. No matter what I think there's just some people that you meet and you just can't you can't not have them in your life. Exactly. And so I think she's going up there and she's gonna she's gonna figure herself out, but she still has this love for her and she's just going to kind of be there. Yeah. I'm first of all love seeing Larry I hate. Thank you. Thank you for giving I'm so excited. But in that moment where he's telling her, you know all the stuff that he's saying like you want it you need to be special whatever obviously we know that these things are true about Piper but it's actually what ended up changing my mind maybe about the situation because of how real it seemed to me when she's like, I'm just heartbroken and I don't know how to deal with it because I think that the her actions with Zelda. You know all I kept thinking both with her and Alex I'm like it's too soon like one bad thing happens and you go and run off and like you don't even know what happened Piper went which he initially ran off with Zelda and as much as I think she's good for her. I think that Larry kind of or could be, you know for an extended period of time I think Larry in some way but basically offending her also made her see that you you know, what when he said, what would new Piper do her going to Zelda would be the exact thing that she It with Alex. You don't plan. Oh, you're right her going and having this person essentially support her. Not that she couldn't have, you know had a job and got on her feet whatever but I think maybe dropping that hopefully still friends with her. Yeah. Yeah because it's l do I think Zelda was a great character and she was exactly what Piper needed at that point in time in her life. And yeah, you're right you she'd even even really break up with Alex yet and she was already kind of having feelings for Zelda. And you do need that alone time. So that's why I thought she was going to Alaska so she could be alone, Alaska. All right, but whatever but do you feel like Larry's always loved her this whole time kind of but I think he has love for her and I liked seeing the little like sniffing moments over. He's like, sorry past burn or whatever. He said, but I think that he's definitely like fully with Papi. Oh, yeah. All right now with her so I can try. Don't like that situation. I don't like care for her either but it's fine. We don't have your serum. Okay, I'm happy but I feel like Piper is doing her own thing right now. And that's why we see her with you know, she looks like she's back. She's going to school also hit us up with a free latte. Yeah Starbucks. She's going to school and I think really she actually is going to sleep Piper Alex mainly because like to help her out in some legal way. Maybe I don't know Alex though is turn the printer. Isn't you know we're so upset about her being so dohyo, but that's the prison everybody like I was so nice to see everybody's faces Briana and I were talking about last episode. We were like, how did we not it was one of her predictions and I was like take you could really cause she has a watch the episode since she knew she wouldn't be with us tonight. And she was like, it just clicked like something like that sounds familiar and she was like wasn't the place that everyone else was like, oh my God, I completely did not even think about that and put it together whatsoever. But it was so good. I mean we literally see every Edward Jones boo. Everybody's there boo. I know boo I missed boo and I kept forgetting. I'm like, even when I saw her like what happened to boom Oh, does she got transferred? Yeah in that big thing and that's when a whole like transition of the show happened. So it was good to like be reminded of that and to like just see all of their smiling cute faces signed by really fast on that my wanted to say that my favorite person that I saw. Saw in this episode. I'm gonna dock you say so I think you're going to say was I cannot remember her name when she shows up at the ice Detention Center the Asian lady. Oh, I can't remember her name either but yes good. I love like she was one of my favorite characters. Yeah. She was amazing the whole season and I thought that was hilarious was like, oh my God. She's another one. She's back. We see those big crazy meth heads still looking exactly the same. I mean literally everybody so it was so good to see Mr. Mustache, mr. Mustache mustache. The guy who has died has baby. That's it's not actually his baby. It's been it's but he when he's sitting in the kitchen, that was good, even though Daya is incapacitated or maybe dead it was good to see the like her baby is taken care of. I completely forgot that he was taking care of her. Yeah. I mean him her it was like his mom first and then yes, I was like like did they recast Bennett? Obviously not his moustaches not it's not there. Yeah, what else from the episode did it did it did Caputo and I'm big are adopting a baby. What's the I like had I like how it's like skipped when I was watching it was she singing them a song about weed. She was singing from Palmdale fun to Palmdale. I think that song know so I was like 45. I don't know very cool part about it is exact. Like that's what the heck this kids great for them, but it was perfect. But I thought she was pregnant like in real life. You thought know like on the show. I thought she was pregnant. I mean real life in the show. Yes when she handed the peak up right when she was getting the abortion for that lady. I thought she was actually legitimately pregnant. I'm happy that they're adopting as well. But I did I thought she was pregnant to I knew that to or to me. I thought it was that she I thought it was because she was trying to make it a ruse. I was thinking maybe she had the P from the other girl just in case that they They tested it because she really wanted to get that medicine to to the girl and the Detention Center. I love how they're talking about wanting a boy and then in like under to because you know, you got to mold them, right and then this like seven year old girl walks up since Colt 45 and they're like, you're it you're it. I'm happy to see a good I was really happy that them we got to see Janae. Yes, we did get to see her so many good things happening. Literally everybody. Everybody got good endings. No, actually not a lot of know what so ever. Lot did though I have to say that I thought yeah, I was very pleasantly surprised is that our wrap-up of the series finale of Orange Is the New Black? It's just it's just like so much stuff. Like I don't want it to end but I can't think because my brains just like oh my God, I know let's do our special segment. Okay, who said that who said it who's that? It's going to go through some quotes from the episode and I'm going to guess test who said it, okay. It's hard to sing with no teeth. Oh, God has said that that's your final answer. I don't know. It was Hellman to That out to diet diet, right? All right, this one this this whole scene kind of cracked me up, but does she spark Joy Caputo? So that no, no. No. It was a Piper's dad when he was talking about. His wife was Maria con doing the house. He Maria condone her love life is Alex by the way. Well, I did put her in jail. So make sense. Yeah, it did put her in jail. Yeah. This one should be easy breezy take a cup of yellow drink and raise it up. Suzanne, yes, you know know more, you know more point out a little liquor for the for the for your friends the homeless, you gotta do yellow drink now you go and probably one of the funniest moments for me drugs fell out of a chicken's butt. Was it it was either Linda wart or Linda Ward or Hellman? Yeah, you got one of them. Okay. Well ding ding when she was talking to two tasty about what happened. She said drunk smile, but chickens, but it's what is she like I can't make this stuff up very pivotal. We can't with what? Yeah. It happens in this show. Okay. Let's do our special segment. We are doing a About a special segment our top three which is a special special segment of our what we consider to be the top three most pivotal moments throughout the whole entire series of Orange Is the New Black very important things that either like change the show or just majorly shifted things for characters. Obviously number three we have when daya shoots the CEO who she didn't initially murder him obviously. But this is definitely the switch for die a completely obviously she's being fuel here by Maria with Maria but it changed everything changed the whole dynamic of the show. And obviously after this we'd never see the same old diet that we see before ever number two. Most pivotal moment we're going to say is Tasty's trial just asking just to see her obviously another result of the riot but to see her going through this just because of Other people lying in her just kind of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and you know stepping up for everyone in the way she did and then to lose it. Yeah, it's just I really hope she comes out of it. Number one. Most pivotal moment is poussey say yes obviously leads to the riot right just one of the most talked about topics ever wear it created the poussey Washington fund which is of course a fund to help out. Female prisoners and just kind of almost taste it with the microloan situation. Yeah, it actually created real life change and a real thing that we can all donate to in a way to keep us connected to the ship to the show forever and chat you all agree pussy. I'd I was number one as well. I mean it literally changed the show like you just said it made number to happen, which was well, sorry number three happen, which was the whole Riot that caused the whole Riot and that whole Riot cause number two, which was Tasty's trial. I mean it literally Completely change the whole trajectory of the show right after that is when they split so when we lost the characters that we see tonight because I got transferred definitely number one for sure. We are going to miss these characters so much. I'm so sad even more than that. We're going to miss our viewers. We've had so much fun with y'all doing this after show such a great show just for society and for us as television fans, obviously in the meantime, you all can keep up with me. On the affair after-show and soon-to-be how to get away with murder after show. I'm April wasn't hit and you can find me everywhere at April with some hands for about you. Yeah, and I'm doing Ballers on HBO. It's not back yet soon enough. And other than that, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram it XOXO Cesc a thanks for hanging out with us guys yall can find all of us, of course everywhere at AfterBuzz TV. Definitely let us know what you thought of the episode because we are going to continue the conversation forever and ever and ever. And we will look forward to seeing you all on another Chef soon by our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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In this series finale, hosts April Whisenhant and Francesca discuss the impact that Pennsatucky’s death is having, Suzanne growing up and Taystee sticking around for the long haul. We are SO excited to see Gloria and Blanca get the happy endings that they deserve and predict that more will get a better ending in the future. We talk about the major influence that #OITNB has had on society and what is has taught all of us. Breaking down the Top 3 most pivotal moments in the history of the show was tough but we had to give it to Poussey. Join in the discussion! Follow our hosts: @aprilwhisenhant @xoxocesca ABOUT ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK Orange is the New Black comes from "Weeds" creator Jenji Kohan about a women’s prison drama with comedy that takes no prisoners. Based on the acclaimed memoir of the same name by Piper Kerman, the series is about engaged Brooklynite Piper Chapman, whose decade-old relationship with drug-runner Alex results in her arrest and year-long detention in a federal penitentiary. To pay her debt to society, Piper must trade her comfortable New York life with fiancé Larry, for an orange prison jumpsuit and a baffling prison culture where she is forced to question everything she believes about herself and the world at large. As she struggles to adjust to her new reality, she finds unexpected laughter, tears, conflict and camaraderie amidst an eccentric and outspoken group of inmates. 