Before I continue one of the ways, we keep all of our content for you. The listener free of charge is our amazing sponsors, and today anchor is one of those sponsors. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchors going to distributor podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and everywhere podcasts are listened to and you can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor Dot f m-- to get started. Hey Supernatural fans tonight. We are talking Doom and Gloom, but don't worry. We are here for you to feel for you to talk you through it the loss of marry Jack is he ever going to be forgiven by the boys all that and more coming at you right now you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look I mean Cries so many crushes everyone cry this episode. Yeah, I waiting the cleaving off. Okay was like no. My little Grinch heart was like breaking your in grunge colors today. I am. Hey guys, that's over there. You see that is that's that's my good girl, Jerry Davis and next to her looking as Dapper as ever Brandon Haley Brenda. Thank you for the introduction. You're welcome. And right now next to me with the eyeliner on. This is Miss Jackie Ray. Yeah, she notified did I did you guys I'm Lindsay Wagner tonight. We are talking with you all about season 14 episode 18 absence of Supernatural. There's an absence in our hearts. Yes. Yes. It's missing there's an absence in my stomach because I haven't eaten yet. That's why we get along. You know what I mean? It's gonna be a little growly national dog day Crowley. Oh Crowley. We're having so many companies are in right now. I'm just trying to keep the mood light since today was literally Doom and Gloom and pink Gloom, which I kind of liked but you know, it's a tough day we've got cast in the boys fighting. I don't know what's going on with this Dumont chick just it's a rough day. There's so much we're going to talk about we are going to talk about the boys being angry with cast. We are going to talk about the possibility of Jack being How the boys can even come to terms with what just happened all that and more but first everyone what were your initial thoughts for tonight's episode Brendan? Oh God, I I'm not gonna lie. I might have been on Twitter in the moments before I started watching and I might have some sort of spoiled oboe. So I didn't I know I know I know well no, I read that. Mary was dead. Okay. Sure. Shocker I know but so I wasn't initially shocked as everyone else was but then it started going the story started getting into it more and what got me were the callbacks to previous episodes where she was just having nice moments with Jack moments with Dean and Sam and it was just so heartbreaking to see all these moments. How did the flashbacks affect you Jackie? I'm sorry. Should I be trying to fight? So for me it was like for those of you who don't know which most of you guys here? No, but my dad passed in 2015 and so when he passed it was exactly so the flashbacks got to me not because of the sentimental value of Mary but because in my head that's exactly how I would be like literally driving along and then things would kind of go black and white and I would see me and my dad fishing or you know, me and my dad going bowling like and it was just like that. So while I appreciate she ate it that it did give me a little emotional. They're always so good at tugging your thoughts about tonight's episode. I was hoping nothing happened because I knew it would just break apart our family, but you know, we really got to talk about my Winchester boys getting all mad because for once somebody was putting somebody else first and they got mad because you know, Cassio did promise to take care of Jack to his mom, so Hey Chester's but the let's discuss here. The fact though that we've said from the beginning of the Season. There's going to be a death of one of the main characters and I was hoping that it wasn't going to be Cass. I'm sorry if Mary's the casualty of all of this. This isn't the worst thing that could happen. I hope you guys in the chat don't hate me for saying that but I'm gonna just jump on that for a second because it might not be the worst thing. It's extremely sad and dramatic but it's going to drive the drama between all the other characters as it did this episode and we might get something even worse because of it well, and that's that's the point is the drama obviously and she had all her goodbyes last episode. We all notice that that she was doing the goodbye to her some like this isn't going to end. Well, if you're already starting it looking like this is the demise I would like to point out though. Last week I said she's dead. You guys know we don't know we didn't see her. Can I want my jacket was right moment calculus, right? Thank you. But I was I was pondering the idea of her being taken over by Satan which still up for debate. There's a some will create that sounded weird a demon or something good Charlotte Viking funeral. I know and Mary was on borrowed time. She'd already died. When they were kids and then she came back so really every day was a precious gift. I agree with you on that carry. Okay, let's do a far away. I did think it was slightly hilarious though when they went when cast went to heaven and she had to death dates. Yeah, which is but that's that's completely exactly what Cherry saying is that she already had the time and now she got to see the boys grown up and as she said Brave kind heroic all these great qualities because you never know. It's going to be a surprise. You think you're failing them, but they turn out to be such wonderful humans, which is exactly what she'd hoped would happen and she got to be here the last couple years and spend that time and like you said each day was a gift and that's how she took it. That's all that anyone can ask for who's experienced loss or the loss of the the loss of a loved one is getting that chance to see that person again. Oh my God, if we haven't she got to have a childhood growing up feeling with Jack that she missed out on was 17 she did but I Shruti - Shruti. She was tweeting me and she was telling me though that you know, Mary was never this great mother and even with Jack I mean, are there any good parents in this franchise this unit? Well, I mean, what's up Mom? Yeah. I'll agree with you on that really hurt Jody Mills Jodi. Well Jodi, I think she's a great mother but I think you're right to like how many really great moms do we get to see and don't live not long enough to be great moms know because we don't get the opportunity and they killed it's kind of like the Star Trek red shirt. Yeah, if you're a good person in this universe, you're just off. Yes. I remember the original Hunters the mom that had the bar Joe. Yes. Someone was saying they want a job. Joe and Kurt was Joe was the younger girl. Yeah, and that Mom and the daughter had such a good relationship and she was like a dead mother for Sam and Dean as well. So she was a good mother to but then she got out blowed up with all the other Hunters Ivan said not even God was a good parent a little bit about the conflict with cash that we have that has Now been created because Sam and Dean are at the bunker. No one's around. No one's answering the phone Cass calls them and says I'm a little worried about him because of what he did with the snake. You're like, okay, so you knew something, but you didn't say anything and we come to find out that in some way. Mary is gone. We are not 100% for sure yet. But that Mary's gone and Dean is in full-blown not rage yet. But he's angry and he's like you will be dead to me if something has truly happened here. And did you guys feel for Cass when he said this was my responsibility? I was supposed to look after him. I wanted to do this on my own. I didn't want to get you involved. I wanted to fix the problem. Did you feel for him? I can offer you a little bit more on the inside and you guys in the chat or on YouTube or Twitter. Please let us know your thoughts to because we want to hear what you think about it, but panel here. What did you think it's such a delicate topic to pick apart? Because on one hand Dean is so validated and how he's feeling but also cassiel did do his best and he was trying to find a way to fix it much like Jack but you know, we know what I mean. This is the storyline of I mean, yes, you're right. I can see both sides of it but Dean and I totally get it, especially when you're angry and you're emotional. Sometimes it's difficult to self-reflect. T' but Dean's been right here Dean's been that guy who's kind of known something is wrong. But you know, he wants to fight to bring Sam back, you know or whatever like he knows what that's like, but at the same time if that means mom is gone and shout out to Rowena for delivering that information in the most politically. Correct way possible. I don't know where she is or what happened, but she's no longer on this Earth. That's like I know you're going to freak out if I just say she's dead son. Just gonna put some bigger on this for you a little bit. And so yes, I just felt like and I was glad to see that even though in Dean's anger. He didn't Hulk out too much and completely Exile cast but he did need that space. I feel sorry for them. But I totally sympathize with Castillo because his first loyalty was to the memory of Jack's mom that he made all these promises to and the little incremental things that Jack did on. Their surface weren't really what I'd call evil. They were just like he still learning and he still just doesn't understand. It's just that this is the absence of good like Cass said, it's not that he's doing bad. It's the absence of good and he thinks he's helping Yes, I mean it's like a it's like a little kid when they see an insect or a kitty and they just grabbed it and starts wheezing in your like oh, you can't you can't squeeze it that hard but they think they're like I'm just squeezing the kitty. They don't know the consequences of their action because they haven't let that's a learned behavior. Yes, and he hasn't had and he hasn't learned that behavior yet. He literally a two year old yella. Jean girl. 24 said I felt bad for cash, but it wasn't his fault. It was all their fault. I think you're right. And I later on I loved when Sam had made that point. He goes look we all thought this we all saw things you want to just like I wanted to save him that just we all did this it's not completely on cast and I'm glad they did that because I was really feeling for forecast and then obviously the rage did come out when Dean found out that she was no longer an earth and you broke the chair and you see Sam with the like lip quiver and I'm like, oh God God here we go. Waterworks are filled Jack because everybody was so busy. They were trying to save Sam. They started to say Dean they're trying to save the new hunters and none of them realized you have to hold his hand and lead him down the right path because as much as I love Castillo Castillo still isn't quite a hundred percent understanding Humanity either as well. Yeah. No, that's true. But you know who didn't fail us guys the Our is about to take a very quick second to say thank you so much for your patronage and your viewership of the studio everything that you guys do both online and in viewer viewing helps us do what we love to do and makes us the ESB and of TV talk we ask that you view if you are watching us on YouTube right now, please click the Subscribe button. If you are listening on iTunes, give us a five star rating comment in the live stream or on social telling us that you did. So and you'll get a shout-out on air with us. The Cool Kids on the Block so do that guys. Thanks so much Ah, that's right. You guys aren't feeling us and I just saw that Chris Mo said, how do you think Sam and Dean will go out next season. I definitely want to let's just sidebar. Let's talk about this for a second because I know this would be a prediction thing. But let's just talk about it quick right now. Do you guys think the show is going to end with Sam and Dean dying? Yes, okay. Imma. Imma know you're a yes cherries and no Brendan. You need to see what happens at the end of this season. Yeah, I don't there's so many things I could happen so quickly in the blink of an eye. I don't honestly know how to gauge it. Yeah, but talk about living on borrowed time. How many times have Sam and Dean skirted death that's billion waiting for that moment. She's already Ellen it's going on to see it, you know because we already know that Mary is with John with her husband and so I could just see the last seen being you know, Mom and Dad and the boys reunited in this beautiful thing and it fades to a sunlight white. Well the Earth bird, I mean they're not here. So it's still beautiful in a way. That's rough. Okay or Jackson is just raining omnipotent. Oh my God, I think about The boy standing right now. Let's talk more about this episode because this was already hard enough. But Chris know that's a great question. Thank you for bringing that up for us. Shout out to you. So Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack and Nick and and well I did until Jack it is still Jack but I'm going to say I called this one. Nick's not around he's gone. He begun this was a flashback or whatever his little angel devil sitting on the shoulder as he says it's him. He's kind of manifesting which makes me wonder if like, I remember one of you was saying last week when he was saying leave me alone was That voice in his head that was actually really loved how the writers played this one because I think we've talked about this on the show before like it's almost weird and I you and I have talked about it now because I when my dad passed like I still hear his voice all the time and when I get into some mess almost slipped up, but I didn't but when I get into some mess, I literally hear him like like it's audible, you know what I mean? So even though it's not Lucifer I thought it was dope. Up that he kind of manifested his vision of his dad to help him get through this thing. I loved how the writers played. It's a metaphor for grief right through. It's a demon. Mmm grief go with dead. Okay. Well, let's first off. I have to give major props to need a Lopez Corrado who directed the episode we had her in the studio a couple years ago and when whatever episode it was I should have looked up which one it was when we had. I ran but she is directed before and it was a very very emotional and heavy grief loss episode. So she's clearly just knocking it out of the park with this kind of writing props to the writers for giving that like stuff but good for her for allowing us to see how difficult it was for Jack to be hearing this to not want to be hearing it but accepting it and Ali really dealing with the consequences of all of it Cherry thoughts on that at all and Jack and this jacket having a hard time with his old Jiminy Cricket Whispering not Enos in his ears and I still feel like he has a little bit of his soul left. He still isn't really what I'd call evil but like this whispering in his ear almost like someone who has depression and you're constantly hearing this this drumbeat of something in your head. And you're unable to separate it out. I think that's issue. I think with Marina was watching him interact. She knew something emotional was going on, but she also knew it was like anger and sadness. It's like the tsunami in him and if they don't pull him back then yes, I have to agree with all of you especially using he will end up being the big bad because he'll just go over a Chasm but it's supernatural. So, you know, they can always save you and bring you back but why did Why did Rowena help Jack as much as she did she was Stalin she was trying to get make sure that she kept him calm because she saw that he was losing it like he was losing his stuff. And so they were trying she was trying to keep him calm and probably in essence a little self-preservation because she knew that he had hoped out and killed Mary. So let me keep this boy as calm as I can't I don't know why she let him in I said that I was like he would not get in my house after I because I know you know, he's a little don't let the crazy guy. Huh? No one. No one home. No one's here. And then he would probably blast the door down with magic or exactly because he sent her back in there after he she wasn't that what do what he wanted. You're so aggressive celebrates of and she's just like flips her hair and I love her. I love that. She was like on the sofa afterwards and she was just like I've been attacked any wine like one of those things were somebody falls on one of the fainting couch has yeah. It's very Scarlett O'Hara moment. She just plays it. So well, I mean, but he didn't kill her because he's still trying to control himself. Self and well guilt is Mary already kind of cares about him. She likes him. She doesn't hate him or she's dead and she was trying to counsel him and get him calm and she seemed to have a better understanding of how to deal with him his emotional distraught - then Mary did because Mary was like a hippie Chihuahua. It's okay and he's like, I need space get away from me and for one instant and we all have bad thoughts for an instant. It's just that we don't have The power to do anything. I might think I hope you get in the car accident what Mary and the ba marrying. The rest of the Winchesters are like, they're like gryffindor's they just go. Yeah. They just go there. Of course Rowena's a Slytherin because she knows how to survive coming from a Slytherin. I'm wearing green. Hey, I don't know what just happened guy. So I love this is good. This is good. No, but it is part of who she is. She is a Survivor. She's brought herself backs. However, many times she that plans ahead. Where's the Winchesters don't really and that's the problem is that she's planned ahead for what's happened to her so she can resurrect yourself where this wasn't planned for Mary. So however, Mary comes back. We don't know what her form is going to be and that's where I was worried because I'm like, all right. Jack is bringing her back. What is actually going to happen here? If he does bring her back and we find out that it's basically just an empty body a lifeless empty body. I'm not one to back when a bank check for one second because Stephen Britain at the a really good question. Okay. He says how did Jack read the book of the Damned it took the codecs for Rowena to do it? He's a Nephilim. Yeah, he's got first rank. Really. He's still too. Okay, he's are entitled. He's parked but he's part God, you know like it's yeah, he's just jerking Archangel is he's got like, you know different skills that you know, hmm. Okay, that's all right. I thought it was a really good question because I just he just gonna sit down and do a whole spell. Yes, but and if that's the case why why take Rowena just take the book because he wanted what we know to do the spell. Because he didn't think he could because he has only know how to put everything together. He doesn't know what the things are. He wants to be one of them, right? He wants to be seen doing good. Yes, anyone who needed a win in validation? Yeah. Okay that makes why you she kept saying her do this and she just kept her she was like I cannot and I but I also love that she stood firm in that. Hmm. I think she needed to stand firm in that and he needed to see the repercussions of his actions and then hear back from Nick Lucifer that He'll never forgive you. Now, they'll never trust you the lover forgive you. I think that he's right about the they'll never trust you. It's possible they can forgive but they will never trust again ever. I think we might trust I mean they've all I mean they've killed numerous supernatural creatures some of which weren't really what I'd call evil. They're just living their lives because they haven't killed any or they haven't killed their mom though. Like if somebody kills your mom that I was actually going to bring Technically not great in the beginning, right? She was always awesome. I know she was always she's like she was she was always one of those people that you just kind of love though. She was one of the bags just loves like a Spike from Buffy. Yeah. You still were going to love her no matter what she did. But yeah, you kill we're already questioning you and who you are and if you're really here to do good or bad your son of Lucifer and then you kill their mom. Yeah. The only reason he's not getting beat up right now is because they know they'll Lose the only reason that's not happening. I mean, he even commit some sort of suicide just to not have the voices. That's pretty dark. He's not gonna start commentary on like reality because I think he needs a little guidance from Cass. Yes. Was cast as it had Redemption so or from do my even though she's neither good nor bad to me. I don't know if I like her but let's get into her during predictions because about her just yet struck a chord chord. She's up to something. She's up to something. I'd like I said earlier. I loved the pink lightning smoke stuff that was happening. And of course we did have a bunch of flashbacks as You guys have said earlier about seeing Mary with Sam and Dean and little moments that they had and then of course we had the Montage yes of her, you know, like final moments and the dinner because I think the dinner was the best thing in that came like during the 300th episode, correct? So I think that was just like the moment. I like I said, I think we've all known That someone was going to die. It was I'm I thought was it was going to be merry so to have that moment with John and the boys she got the family dinner. They got the family dinner. They always wanted it does kind of tie it up with a nice little bow in my opinion and then of course the traditional what do we have to do a Hunters Hunters burial burn the body and seeing Cass wanting to show Dean comfort and Sam stopping him and say, That scene was actually my favorite scene in this show on a personal level because when I was younger, I used to have a horrible temper Ivan and I would just hold out and my brother was the only one who could like calm me down. And so that and if end if I was in my calm down phase and you would come over and try to talk to me, I would just hope back out. So my brother would do that constantly, he would just tell people not yet like just you know, and so you just that sibling where it's literally we've been through hell and back together and only Am is really going to understand because right now on the outside looking in Dean's grieving, he's vulnerable. He's hurt now would be the perfect time to say. Hey man, you know, I'm sorry, whatever sounds like nah, this this ain't this ain't the time. So I just really loved that that scene because really played up to Sibling attachment, you know for dinner Cherry any thoughts about that fight the Winchesters against the world and that was just a reminder. That's how it was in the beginning and that's how we'll probably be at the end where it's basically the two of of them. I mean they have people on the periphery, but when it comes right down to it, they will tear down the gates of hell. They were two down the Gates of Heaven for each other and to a certain degree Castillo, but when it comes down to it, it's Sam and Dean against the world. Yeah. I really couldn't put it better myself. Yeah, I believe what you said. It's like it's how they started and it's probably how it's gonna end. I've been asked you think that being evil is a rite of passage for Sam and Dean. Evil. Yeah, I don't know if I think that that is there evil. I don't want that's what he said. He's as being evil, you know is he's being evil is Winchester rite of passage. I guess I gave me saying it because they've all been even that one. So maybe this is just jacks evil time bad bad moment beautiful too. Yeah, so maybe maybe I mean Castro's evil for a man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right, so maybe this is just it but I still think he's the big bad. Well, I love the look. I love it. I just about Nick Lucifer being in Jack's head and trying to get rid of that and trying to be better that it is going to be the boys against him. This is going to create conflict, but I don't know how it's going to come into play with the end of the season. So I just don't so I think it looks like just from the can we can I talk about the previews? We saw our let's let's get into our specials. Let's finish up any other thoughts about the rest of the episode and then we'll get into some predictions. Yes and all the other stuff obviously a very touching and emotional episode and we just got to be ready to see what's going to come up and rest of this season and then on a scale of one to In puddles of Tears On the Floor, how bad do you think this season is going to end like emotionally. Do you think it's going to match this episode or do you think it will get worse and worse and worse? I think it'll get worse. Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna be a bad one. I don't think it's going to be more emotional. I think it's going to be more. Oh my God, you know intense. I think it's going to be hard to play up this level of pulling at your heartstrings when things are just getting intense is a good word and you're right. We lost Mary unless we're losing somebody else. You're right. Maybe intense is a better word, right? Everybody. Have you guys emotional episode this week intends coming at you in the next couple of weeks for the last two episodes those Kleenex red get the hex ready, but speaking of how cast is still a part of the family. Jack is a part of the family. They're all a family. Our little special segment is talking about the worst fight you had with your family. I don't know if I'm ready for this. Yeah, I'm gonna drop I'm definitely gonna give you the milder version y'all start and it wasn't even really a family. It was more of my mom and I will never ever forget this I said something so mean to her and call her a name but I said something that a jarn college student that was living on her own for at least a year or two. Thought they knew everything and didn't need their mom and I snapped back at her with something and she looked at me and I was waiting because I was like, oh I'm gonna get slapped across the face because that's what I deserve and she gave me the look. And walked away. Oh, that's even worse. It was the worst feeling in the entire world because I knew everything I said was just it hitter resonated disappointed her so much and I have felt guilty for that literally since it happened and I'm appalled I apologize to her after but that was just the worst feeling and I where I wish I could I don't wish I could remember what I said because it is so I should not be something that I live in think about, but that That look on your mom's face or your dad's face when they when they you make him that mad. Yeah. Don't even scold you. They're like, I'm gonna let you deal with this. You're like no the worst. All right. Jack. I'm literally I feel like I'm sliding. I know I'm like just the silence got me like my stomach just went yeah, my stomach's like that but I need a burrito Jackie. What are you? What's your are wild? My this is the Mount this is definitely not the worst. But it put a rift between me and my family for a good two three months, which is the longest and it was when I originally had moved to New York. I got signed into a music deal and it went bust really quickly. So I had to come back, you know with my tail between my legs, but I was like, I'm not hate hated Colorado with all of my being right so ended up in another band that moved was moving to La perfect. So I told my parents I was like, I'm moving to LA and I kid you. That they had a freaking intervention. It was my whole entire family Aunts Uncles cousins that I didn't even know. We're cousins were in the house to tell me that I was going to just fail. I should stay there and work and like just to be in that room in that moment. And I don't think they realized what they were saying to me. I think that they because there's a family reviewing protect. Yeah, there's a family business that I could have easily just you know, walked into and be very financially secure. So for them, this made no sense and so but just to be in a room full of people and you're the only one in that room who believes in Your Vision was the worst feeling I've ever had and I didn't talk to anyone for three months. I literally packed my car up like three days later and drove away. Yeah what you got the ghosts of my past. I remember vividly like was the first time I think I ever had a Huge dramatic fight with my family when I was in fourth grade. I think it was early. It was really early that you can remember that. Yeah. I remember I didn't want to go to school. I was like homeschooled and then in school like on and off through middle school and high school because I was doing work for theaters and stuff like that. And I remember I didn't want to go to school. Oh that day. So my mom was like, okay, we'll call the principal or whatever and then my dad got really upset because he wanted me to go to school and like ever like I don't remember even when it started by like everyone just started yelling was I asked I gotta go now. He's not gonna go to school like it was ridiculous. But I remember getting really upset and I was like crying and then my dad was like I can't do this anymore and was like, I'm on the leave. Just it was dramatic. It was like a real thing. But in the moment, I was like, oh my God, watch this turn into it, like actually happening in the school. Yeah. So I remember like stopping him at the door and I was like, no. No, you can't do this. No, I'll go to school or whatever and then I ran back to my room and dealing with all of these emotions that I've never really experienced before I had some like ridiculous Pirates of the Caribbean poster on my wall. I got up on my bed. I rip it off the lot was like, yeah. Girl, I just went to town on my room and then I went to school and everything was fine because you thought he was gonna leave leave. Yeah, he's just being dramatic my family. My family can be very dramatic. So but to a kid who is in fourth grader, right? You don't know that's just playing around. You know that yeah crazy sometimes like I was ready to rage. I did throw my gosh. Wow, I know. Is kind of weird but my sister moved to New York City and I like animals. I love funny animal videos. So I sent her the hilarious video of the rats running down the subway car and then walking up some guy. So I sent it to my sister and I said cute animal video and I sent it to her and she watched it. She went super upset because she said I ride the Metro everyday and I'm scared. Rats don't have many more videos. So of course I said I won't send you anywhere rat videos, but then I saw Pizza rat. Oh, no, it's a cute video. I sent her Pizza rat video. She got so mad at me. She didn't talk to me for months and to this day if I send her a video she makes me tell her what it is. And if I'm lying, you'll get like crazy Matt, but once again Pizza rat was Wait, so she's that she has that strong aversion to rats. I guess. I mean she was in New York says it here. They are everywhere. I mean, yeah, they're fearful. Why would you be afraid of it? If it's part of your day leave it was feel like this is the dramatic side of this angle. You are dramatic do not do not deny God. It's okay and it's actually a so All right. Well now that we've talked enough about ourselves and you guys are they said we are depressing they could these stories are so Diwali my God, you're not wrong. You guys have got some good news. Well, you lucky Supernatural fans and Chicago Guess who's coming to Chicago our own will Weena and Mary for the creation Supernatural panel, they're doing photos and they're attending a panel. So I hope you guys got your tickets. It'll be super fun. I'm super jealous of Chicago and then the powder lackeys are of course doing good as usual. They're doing a 5k Challenge and you can do a digital ran. One and you'll get a custom badge and of course, we're on fuzzies doing good and you can also go on the website and get a super cool t-shirt for $25.99 to $39.99 to support the fun run because it's helping girls do Sports and girls like doing sports equality. Yeah. Alright. Well, let's get in some predictions then before we finish up the show because I know that Jackie so excited to talk about something. And now you're AfterBuzz TV addiction. All right, so we get a Bobby sighting great to have Bobby bag is very mad and knows this can only go one way. It's only going to end one way and this is my issue. We got Duma telling Jack that he has a glorious Destiny and I'm a little bit afraid. She's playing both sides and Castiel says Jack is a powerful being but both Sam and Dean need to sign off. Upon the fact that Jack is powerful which could lead to him being the big bad Jackie tell me your thoughts predictions all the good stuff. Okay. So I just I kind of saw somebody thinking something similar robot. I think it is in the in the chat who said that Duma I think she might be the empty. I agree. I think that she might be the empty and she is going to be manipulating Jack. To become this. That's why I said earlier. I think he's going to be this omnipotent thing like she's going to kind of make him be God and because he's got all these Powers people will worship him and he's going to she's going to manipulate him to make basically Armageddon because she also wants to stick it to Castiel to Sam to Dean's or I think that she is going to be the Puppet Master for Jack and make him the big bad. Oh my God. It's a lot to take in. I don't think I agree with you. I think she might be the empty too because wasn't she wasn't the empty in her before? Yeah. Yeah, I 100% think that this this girl is just bad news and that's why I don't like her. That's why I didn't want to talk about her. Now. I'm talking about her yet giving it life. But I'm with you. I think she's I think this is only going to this is not going to end well for jacket being close with her and if he's trying to kind of give Sam and Dean space. Mmm-hmm. This is just not the person to give Ace and then go talk to especially with Nick Lucifer on his shoulder. How do we know Nick isn't really do my the empty and really whispering things into his ears. Oh like she's also his subconscious. Yes. Oh, oh, I like oh, oh, oh God that guy so we could potentially even get an episode where everyone or most of the characters are in Jack's mind. And and he doesn't know who to trust. Wow, that could be I would be here for that. If you here for it either way 150 percent on board with the idea of an a whole episode devoted to Jack's mind. Mmm and Just being like what did I do at the right and like everyone's dead. I like it. I like it how I hope not I hope not, you know, I think next week we are going to have a major fight because Bobby's going to try and use his emotional connection with Sam and Dean to influence them to kill Jack's he's never been super cool with Jack. He's found in Via useful tool, but he doesn't like Angels so he doesn't like Jack anyway, and then I'm hoping we'll see where we are. Anna where she'll be the Jiminy Cricket on their shoulder saying once again jack isn't an adult. He looks like an adult he's still a child and you guys really need to like sort of get back on the train of guiding him to being a better nepheline. Yeah. Well you guys that's that that's a whole lot of predictions. There's a lot of future stuff. I love this idea that we have voices in Jack's head that we could have a whole lot. The so don just all the things that he's thinking and going through because we saw so many flashbacks in this episode's would be a great way to kind of like finish up this season on next week. We are going to talk about because it is episode 19 and episode 20 is the final episode this season. We're going to talk about a little giveaway. We're going to be doing I have we have something special that will be giving away. I will let yeah They tuned for next week's episode and find out and we'll let you guys know what it is. And then I'm glad you didn't say yeah, but you got something fun for you. So stay tuned for next week so that we can fill you in on what that is and what you'll need to do and we'll announce the winner on the season finale which is in two weeks. All right, everybody. We're can everyone find you and interim. So you can find me on Tuesdays at the rookie and charioteers New Orleans Twitter and Instagram and you can find me Brendan Haley at Brendan Haley on Instagram. 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This week we tackle some heavy issues, the loss of Mary, the demise of family bonds and relationships especially in dealing with Jack and Castiel and how we think the series will end for this season! Join Lyndsey, Cherry, Brendan, and Jackie and share your thoughts on what’s going to happen next for Jack! ‘Supernatural’ has been renewed for Season 15 and Hosts Lyndsey Wegner and Cherry Davis are so excited to know that Dean in the box isn’t the end of it all. Even if he thinks it’s the only card he has left to play. Emotions were high for Nick as he gets to see his wife for the first time since her murder, and how much as Lucifer really gotten to him? Can Sam change Dean’s mind? All that and more on this week’s episode of ‘Supernatural!’   ABOUT SUPERNATURAL: Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki star as Dean and Sam Winchester, two brothers searching for the meaning behind their mother's death at the hand of a demon, and their father's mysterious disappearance. Two brothers follow their father's footsteps as "hunters" fighting evil supernatural beings of many kinds including monsters, demons, and gods that roam the earth. This haunting series follows the thrilling yet terrifying journeys of Sam and Dean Winchester, two brothers who face an increasingly sinister landscape as they hunt monsters. After losing their mother to a supernatural force, the brothers were raised by their father as soldiers who track mysterious and demonic creatures. Violent memories and relationship-threatening secrets add additional burdens on Sam and Dean as they investigate all things that go bump in the night. As old tricks and tools are rendered useless and friends betray them, the brothers must rely on each other as they encounter new enemies. 