Hi, Sarah. Hi Kirby. Welcome to Los Angeles. All right, you guys for those of you who have been listening coming back episode after episode. Thank you so so much for tuning in it means the world. But for those of you who are new to gloss Angeles, welcome to the best hour of your week. Be sure to follow us on our social to keep up with the latest beauty news and memes. Our Instagram is aGloss underscore Angeles our Facebook group. You just have to search for a gloss Angeles on Facebook. And then we launched a Twitter account. So follow us there too at gloss Angeles pod on today's episode were chatting with a special guest. You've heard me rave about her and her products and she's a big reason why I know so much about my skin and Skin Care in general her eponymous brand Renee below skincare began 23 years ago. She's been an aesthetician for 30 years and ever since has been I'm a huge favorite of beauty editors and celebrities like Demi Lovato our girl Lisa Rinna and Lily Reinhardt. You guessed it Renee. Is he requested Renee by the way, absolutely. Yeah wanted you on the podcast. So we're so glad to have you and we're going to be talking with her later in the episode about adult acne and so much more but first let's get into what's on your face Yay. Okay, so we're Every episode we do what's on our face. We would love to know what's on your face, but we'll get started just to show you again how it goes. Sure Sarah. Yes, what's on our faces? Yeah, we had we are wearing the same thing today. We are wearing products from a new la-based clean Beauty brand called Tower 28. Yep. They are absolutely adorable. They are cruelty-free vegan sensitive skin friendly all under $30, which is incredible. They're available available at Credo Beauty and Sephora they It launched on sephora.com and we're really excited to see them there just because we fell in love with this brand. Yeah, I learned a lot about it and then we tried the products and I have to say I stand they're awesome. I also stand so I'm wearing one of the blushes. It's a cream blush. I love a good Cream Blush. It's called Magic hour and you can actually use this anywhere on your face eyes cheeks lips. Whatever. This is Magic hours more of like a topi with pink. Huh? Things are really beautiful blush. I think would be beautiful for fall exactly. And then I'm also wearing one of their lip glosses and it's called chill. It's just clear but one of the reasons why I really loved how we're 28 is they're all but endorsed by the national exam AA Association. So the founder has eczema and she had been using a bunch of products that really weren't helping her skin at all and she created this brand because of that and she has cleared up her ass. Eczema, which is kind of amazing. So but you don't have to have eczema to use the product exactly. And so I am wearing the Luminous tinted bomb in happy hour, which is more of like a pinky. Yeah rose color and they also tap used it on my lips because it is also a lip stain. It's super creamy very hydrating. Yep, but I also top that off with fire which is their lip jelly what she told us the reason why she created these was because She loved the juicy juicy. Tubes Yang from back in the day Yammer those. Yeah, this is like updated Chic version Yeah, clean Chic fun. It's like the quintessential California brand, which is why we love it. Yeah. The tower for Tower 28 is a towel lifeguard Tower in Santa Monica. Yep. So if you live in Santa Monica, you know that you suggest to people beat me up this Tower. Yeah on the beach so Allah, so well like gloss Angeles approved. So that's what were wearing. That's what's on our face Renee. What is on your side? So let's see. My morning routine is always my cleanser. I when I'm traveling here to LA because I'm based in Austin. And so I use my Myron a reuleaux rapid response detox cleanser, which is my travel cleanser just to keep my skin making sure xane. I always use a toner leaving toner wet. I used moisture infusion toner, then vitamin c and e treatment always use vitamin C and then my waitlist protection SPF 30, which is a With an SPF and then after that I put on benefits porefessional. Yeah, so I always use that and I recommend that to all my clients but I'll use that in my T-Zone and then for foundation I use Laura mercier's radiant something-or-other isn't the Tinted Moisturizer. No, it's an actual Foundation. That's all radiant something or other and then lately I've been I have on glossy A's like they're cream shadow. Toes. Yeah, so I think I forgot what color it is, but it's kind of you can kind of see it kind of a like a little bronzy. Yeah, like the rose gold shimmery. Yeah. They look like to YouTube's yeah, and I really like using those and then Nars bronze and blush and I've kind of been in a bronze look for summer. Yeah, and I can't remember what powder I tested on. But anyway, but yeah, so kind of just going for a little stroll around. Beautiful of the rapid response detox cleanser toner the whole kit and I just started using your sunscreen hydrating what the name of it weightless protection - protection and I love it it like goes on so smooth and just Blends into your skin and it looks beautiful under makeup. So yes, it doesn't fill up which is thank you for that. We're just so nice and here's the thing like you guys have heard me. Talk about Renee's products. Like I'm getting sent a paycheck or something. I just truly have loved her products for so long. So what we're saying that we love these products were not just like kissing butt over here. We truly just love them. So Renee is the reason that I learned I had melasma. I don't know if you know this but when I was like 24 25 the first time I saw Renee I went to get a facial with you. I was like, I'm determined to Me Demi Lovato's esthetician look like I'm from, Texas. Is I want to meet her so I actually met her. I got a facial with Renee and she looked at my skin and she said are you on birth control? Like right off the gate and I remember just being so shocked that she even could kind of tell and she was like because I don't know if you know this but you have melasma I've mentioned this on the podcast before I'm an idiot. I thought it was like self tanner. I hadn't scrubbed off the right way. Like I was just like, oh, it's just there whatever and she really let me know that melasma is a hormonal response and because of you helping Kirby and Kirby Saying this on our podcasts a lot of listeners have also figured out that they have melasma. Yeah, they thought it was just from the Sun and I'm like the sun can make it worse. Yeah, but if you're on birth control, I mean the minute I got off of my oral birth control it cleared up immediately and obviously I have it still because I am back on birth control out of control those babies and no babies happening. We got an audience to build exactly. So, you know, I feel like Renee is such a great resource. She has her own person. Count but then she also has her brand account and she is constantly giving people amazing information about their skin. And your blog to is so full of information Google the blog if you have a skincare question like half the time if I have a question about my skin before I text Renee about it. I will look it up to see if she has something that I can read first but Renee for those that maybe aren't familiar with your trajectory. Can you tell us a little bit about how you fell in love with skincare? First of all, thank you for all your sweet. Edwards I really appreciated it's always humbling my I think like most Beauty people, you know, we're just Beauty junkies, right? We always just were into it. So when I was in the fifth grade, I'd bring my makeup to sleepovers and always do everyone's makeup is the first girl to wear makeup just you know just was always into it. But but also my grandmother on my mom's side was a hair stylist and she used to own her own hair salon the Powder Puff. Beauty shop and so as a child, I used to play in her rollers and hairnets and just be into all of that. And I also think seeing her as a single mother and a you know, entrepreneur entrepreneur and the beauty business making people feel good and look good and I just always also remember how empowering it was to see a woman come in who was upset or sad about something and how much Beauty could you know, they get their hair done and how much Beauty can transform them and they walk out with a You know a bounce in their step and so that just had a big impact on me. And so I knew I knew I was not wired for college and my I've never been formally tested but I think you know, I'm a little can't sit still a little probably add. I'm sure and so I was just always super creative and I like to work with my hands and so my mom suggested she was like, you know, you've always been into your skin. Why don't you do that and that was 30 years ago, so I never looked back. I'm you know, once in a while. I'm like I sometimes get envious of people who've had lots of different jobs and try different things and I'm like, I sometimes I feel boring because I'm like, I've done the same thing for 30 years. So actually a friend of mine she owns a restaurant and I asked her if I could go wait tables one day because I think I didn't have that college job waiting tables. And so and so it was like a ramen noodle place. And so but everyone's face is like a different job. No, For sure for sure, but I went and waited tables one night. It was so funny because the guy who used to run my blog WordPress. He happened to be dining in there that night and I went over to his table to take his order. He's like, he's like like I thought your company was going. Well. What can I get you? Yeah, go on the clock right figured this yeah, awesome that she gave you the support that you needed. Yeah, always always and my mom was also somebody that used to get facials all the time. And that was you know, this is back, you know MIT, you know early to mid 80s and too late 80s that she used to get facials once a month and I mean people didn't get really facials back then so she was kind of a Pioneer in our own way. I think she just wanted me to be an aesthetician so she could get them from being. Yeah. Can we ask you who? Ooh, you're how you got into the celebrity world of yeah, Jules. So what happened was? Well, Jessica Simpson was my first client know she stopped. Yeah, he's kidding me. I did not know this. Oh my gosh, wait back in like when she was so to Nick Lachey days know and she was so this probably was 90 well, probably 98 or something. She was yes. She was auditioning for Dawson's Creek. Yes, fun fact mine foun. Do we know that we know this about Jessica Simpson? I don't know, but honestly, I can see it because I mean I remember I think I remember like all the behind the music's and stuff like that. Like she wanted to be famous like she wanted to she sang in the church. Her dad was a pastor. Right? Right. It was like a whole thing and she was she like didn't make it on the new Mickey Mouse Club, like everyone made it except for her that type of thing, right? Yeah, Jason. Oh my gosh, that was a fan of hers. Yeah, so so she was having a lot of problems with her skin as like, you know, it's been reported that she has but then she got the contract with proactive and then she had a stopped coming because now she was their spokesperson. Of course, I know and I thought that's probably hard for you because like you probably work on so many people but there's like a privacy thing obviously like some people are just like I don't want people to know that I have bad skin or that somebody works on me and then there's other part like well, I'm sure I would Love to promote you but I actually have a contract that would say otherwise, yeah, yeah kind of crazy. So well, so then Demi Lovato has been my client for 10 years and she was in Dallas so I met her there so I started giving her facials then, you know 10 years ago. So that was I think the first time I met her was she was on tour with the Jonas Brothers for Camp Rock and so she's been my client for 10 years. I just gave her facial couple nights ago. And then Lisa Rinna was In Dallas summer musicals for Chicago and she was stationed in Dallas for like a month or something and I met her in the green room when I was on TV and she was there promoting the program there was this text good morning text this morning program. So I met her there and then but basically then Demi moved out to LA and then Lisa's like, you know, you need to come to La I'll send you all my friends or whatever. So actually I just gave Lisa facial the other day too and I looked back and yeah, it was ten years ago that I started working with her that's in so so so basically between Amy and Lisa they were out here and they were like, hey, we can say to our friends and I thought well, maybe I should just kind of venture out there and it's been probably I've been coming out here probably for about seven or eight years now. Yeah, and and I come out every you know, depends but every six to eight weeks I come just for a couple days. I don't take any new clients. So it's just kind of my regulars. But yeah, so it's kind of word of mouth. I'm you know, careful about who I take I kind of have a no Diva rule so when somebody wants to send me a Celebrity I'm like, okay. Well tell me what they're like for they nice to work with because I've fired a few people before that really how to feel and I'll tell you all there. Yeah, but like, how do you fire a client? I just kind of I don't actually have to pay them. Well, I kind of just say like, oh I can't get you in this time on it. I kind of jackets like yeah yourself unavailable. Yeah, and then they get I like what we do with events and meetings. We're like Oh bummer can't make my car. We horrible enough or did we just win does it's okay. So something you developed a long time ago that you were sort of known for is that you categorize skin into nine different types. Yes. So and you have a quiz on your website that you can fill out. So can you touch on the different types and like why you came to the number 9. So when I first became an esthetician super excited, I'm out of school. Well, I'm working at the salon and and we sold a skincare line and I knew that you know Home Care was a big part of caring for your skin. And so, you know would give a facial and then at the end then I start learning more about skin and I'm like, oh wait a minute like this person doesn't fall into dry normal or oily. They have other things going on and then of course the skincare line was catered to that. So I begged the Solano door to bring in a second line because I was like, I need more than just two moisturizers here are into cleansers or whatever. So she brought in a second line and then eventually a third line and so I was basically customizing their routine based on three lines, but I just learned quickly that it was, you know, you just couldn't put it into the those cookie cutter category. So when I started my company I determined there were nine skin type. So I had already had seven years of experience and so I created nine different skin types and they're very specific and very detailed in their descriptions and to this day it is very rare that I'm like, you know what I should there should be a tent like I it's like I nailed it. There's really Very few times that I felt like I didn't get it. Right B. What's your skin type number? Do you know I'm a nine. No, I right. No, I'm a C6. Yeah, you're a six. It's been so long since I've done it. Yeah, really? Yeah. I thought it was I took it was a nine, but maybe I'm just confused because there are nine aeschylus. Yeah, it's been like probably years. Well, I think what's happened to is obvious you look at me. Like can you tell what skin I have? Yes just by looking. Okay, so you think I'm going to yes, I sold your tell me what is the to then A2 is I don't have all the symptoms in front of me, but it's I think the title is like oily combination occasional breakouts anti-aging. Yes, right? Yeah, and that's probably our most popular skin type because you know, it's people that are in anywhere from mid-20s to mid-30s generally and they still get breakouts but they're concerned about aging but they're you know, it's like most skincare lines. It's like sorry sweetie. You got to pick one or the other because you either got a dry it out or we're going to load you up with grease and oil and so there's like kind of no middle. And so one thing Tell me when you're getting giving me a facial because I was we're going to get to inflammation in a second. But you know, I was breaking out and I remember just feeling so defeated by and you're like well, it's a good thing that you're breaking out. It's like good that you have these like oil glands that are still working. It'll help you in the long run and I'm looking straight at COD. Okay, these are active. I love I just want to say because I went to you for the first time this past weekend for a facial which changed my life because then I also learned what skin type I was I just love how specific it is. So I so I looked it up here. So I'm skin type 6, which is normal anti-aging and then all the symptoms there's like 10 of them now, but they all apply to me like needs hydration without heavy oils or pore clogging ingredients may have enlarged pores mostly and T Zone including blackheads may have hyperpigmentation wants to keep skin healthy and smooth like all of these things and I'm like, that's me. Yeah, that's me. Yeah, most people once I put them into a skin type and I read it through the they go you know, it's magic. How do you know? It's like my horoscope. Yes. Yes. Wow, and I wanted my language and I want to touch real quickly when you said like about you having acne and it's good that things are like, yeah, I have a blog post titled. If you've suffered from acne consider yourself lucky and the blog post talks about that the people who really have the best skin now are the people that had some trouble with their skin because guess what all through their teenage years. They weren't people that could sleep with her makeup on you know, they they form good skin care. R habits and a lot of people who had acne had become estheticians now and so but those habits are formed. So if you are somebody during your teenage years and Beyond you never had any problems, like you're not really taking care of your skin because there's no problem to solve totally. So people who have had a history of breakouts. They are so good about their skin and in the end, you know, they end up having the best skin because they're disciplined. Yeah. I remember I broke out when I was 15 and I was like, we thought it was an allergic reaction or Things that just had never happened before it was all over my forehead and my mom we went to the doctor and they put me on, you know, tetracycline or whatever it was and I've since had you know long discussions with Renee while she's doing my face about how like I don't like to be on antibiotics. It's really a last ditch effort one time. I came back from Coachella and I had acne cosmetic. Yeah, which I didn't know at first. I didn't know what it was, but it looked like little pustules and I she was in Dallas and are Austin at that point and I had sent her photo and said help me what's going on here. I have shoots all week. I was just at Coachella and and the reason why I have said that I trust estheticians more than even trust dermatologists is because she is going through. Okay. Where were you what were you doing? What was the weather like did you change something? What make a good you where she's asking every possible question to get to the root of what it could be so did have to do it like the sweat and the Heat and your it was the wind from Me wearing a foundation that was liquid and had oil in it and it was the excessive Heat and the wind pushing that product into my poor and in making it inflamed and she actually suggested that point. Listen if you need it to go away quick go to the dermatologist and get on that antibiotic. It will clear it up but moving forward wear powder foundation in the desert, right and I have done that ever since she told me that four years ago, and I have never broken out in the desert at coach. Bella or at any music festival or any trip there since game-changing. It's game-changing and I wrote a blog post about it. She ready to go to change my name, but it's me. Can people go to take the skin type quiz Renee below Tom? Yeah, great. We just redid we just updated the quiz. But yeah, so you can take the quiz is super fast and easy and then it will put people into one of the nine skin types and then it will recommend our basic routine which is three products are essential which is six products or the complete which is about 11 or 12 products or people can just kind of piecemeal it and get what they want. But it really makes it easy for people because it you know, they can start with just a couple products. Hey, I just you know, I'm not Ooh, dear Ilana. Just want to start with a couple things. Great. These are the three best products for your skin. I see a lot of new brands coming out where it's like they fill out a quick people are filling out quizzes and they're getting these personalized regimens now and it's kind of interesting because I feel like it's definitely been modeled off of what you've been doing for so long, so I just want to throw that out there. Yeah. We're name OG or in this. Okay, so we did talk about inflammation and how I had it. I've had it a lot. So this is something that you like to talk about a lot on your Graham to me personally to your clients what is actually happening to your skin when it's inflamed and like what kind of issues can it cause and how do you essentially put out the fire? Right? I would like to yes, we always talk about putting the fire out put the fire out. Yes. So I mean generally speaking, you know, particularly as it as it as it pertains to acne acne is a skin disease of inflammation. And so the problem that occurs is that people are further in flaming it right there using Sonic cleansing brushes or facial scrubs or they're putting you know asset owners or p50 on twice a day and you know, they're kind of you know, anything that burns and causes the skin to get further inflamed. You're just aggravating it. So if the you know, the the skin could talk, it's just like oh my God, like I'm already all riled up like allow me to settle down kind of things. So so inflammation can be acne inflammation can be redness heat in the skin General irritation. And a lot of it stems from a damaged moisture barrier from things that are too strong or harsh. I have a great blog post on what a damaged moisture barrier is but generally calming the skin is always a good rule of thumb. I remember one time I had a where when I first learned about this at a client that had acne and she had tried everything and you know, she told me everything she was doing but her her skin just looks so inflamed and I said, you know, why don't we just try to put the fire out and just Give you a calming things and I didn't give her anything that was antibacterial or anything that was traditionally for acne and her skin just cleared up so much. And as a matter of fact, I have a great blog post. I'll show you a real quick. But for my nephew same thing if you see this before and after did you see that why I'm obsessed with this. It's awesome. Yeah, so you showed me initially. This was a couple months back. Yeah. It's like first kind of getting started on it, but he has acne. It's pretty inflamed and She put him on this regimen and it's it's cleared up significantly in neither of the products actually were acne product. So 16. So if you type into blog material order Comm, if you type in the word nephew, you'll find it but it's all how to get rid of dry skin caused by harsh acne treatments and Sarah you can see this but this is him when I first saw him and you can see it's so red and Flaky and irritated and then after three days I gave him my skin recovery lotion at My purifying face wash two products, that's it. Neither of which were for acne because I didn't I was with him at a family reunions. I didn't have it in anything else in my travel bag and that was after three days. Yep already home. So again, I know we're on a podcast and one can see it but you can leave this on with the leg and then this was eight weeks later so you can see all their dryness went away. His skin is Acme ball the redness gone and he didn't even use one acne product. But this was because his barrier would was so disrupted because he had been on prescriptions topical prescription. Options but his skin never repaired itself and it just stayed in that damaged mode. And so so a lot of times, you know, I'm analyzing people's skin to really see if the damage moisture barrier is the problem and let's fix that first and then we can tackle the acne but I would say that most I mean most all of my skincare products especially because people are so focused on so much exfoliation these days so as a come out with new products, I'm always focused on barrier repair because naturally people are Just doing things that disrupt the barrier. So a lot of ingredients that help to kind of keep that intact. So when I came to see you I asked you why the right side of my face was a little bit more red than the left side and you blew my mind because you told him you were like, are you left-handed or right-handed? And I was like, I'm right-handed and she was like, you're probably a little more heavy-handed with your right hand. So you're like exfoliating your the right side of your face like a little bit more using Wordpress using more pressure than I left side and I was just like so smart and then you told me about that one client of yours who came to you and she was like why am I inflamed her breaking out here here and here she pointed her cheeks and her forehead and then you asked her how she was applying her products and she dots it on those spots. She's putting like acids and retinol but she's dotting it and then rubbing it in so every night she's getting a concentrated amount in those three specific spot. Wow, so you should always, you know, massage it in your hands and then put a thing. Code everywhere but isn't that like it's fascinating. It's like so it's just hope that you don't think about yeah, that's what my blog is. It's all these little experiences that I've encountered with custom, you know clients through the years that are like you wouldn't get that from a dermatologist, right? They don't have enough time to have those conversations and that sort of thing exactly when you're talking about moisture barrier and and how important that is. Can somebody look at their own skin and say, okay really effed up my moisture barrier or is it really something that an expert like yourself has to figure Out that's a great question. I do have a great video on the blog about what dehydrated dehydrated skin looks like which is awesome, which is awesome. So on her Instagram, but you would have to start you have to you have to go down. Yeah, so I think if you on the blog just type in barrier and maybe would come up or dehydration may be. Oh, I think it's in the blog post about the difference between dry and dehydrated skin, and I think it's in that blog post. Okay, but anyway, but so that could be one video that kind of shows people but generally speaking if somebody is has acne or they have some underlying oil but they're also dry that could be a sign because you can't be dry and oily, you know dry means lack of oil and you know, oily skin doesn't it doesn't have or is it dry and so you can't be both and so if somebody's finding that like they're breaking out cause breakouts are all stem from oil so you know you have oil there sometimes Just not hitting the surface because you're using too many drawing things. But yeah, just anytime you're feeling dry and you don't really think you should be dry. That could be a sign is your nephew an example of that where like he was breaking out and also super dry, correct? Okay. Yeah his that was the underlying cause of his entire thing was that he had a damaged moisture barrier. Okay until we fix that it's been could never get to a healthy plate. Okay that makes complete sense. Do you know what else I learned from Renee? I was like I have really dry skin. I feel like I have dry skin and so throughout the The day I will use a Mist to like, you know, refresh my skin and she was like, I don't like Mists and I was like, oh my gosh, just kidding. I don't like messy. That's why don't you like me? Well, first of all your it actually when you had sent me a question to think about what my biggest the biggest mistake people make with her skin. Is it Miss? Well, no. No, but it but it kind of goes into it. So do you want to go into this question first and let's put it all together. So the question was what's the biggest? Care mistake you think people are making or what is the biggest mistake? They're making with your skincare routine, right? So the biggest mistake and we'll talk about the Miss Thing in a second. But the biggest mistake is that people aren't getting their sunscreen game down. Right? Like like everyone's like, oh what kind of vitamin C is best or should I use retinol during the day or I'm layering these nine serums or I'm using the skin oil during the day or whatever but like no one's talking about some protection, right and and it's like they're more concerned. Like, you know, oh, oh sunscreen, or they do wear sunscreen. Oh, yeah. It's in my mind. It's in my foundation. So I have it in there. Yeah, let's get back to the Vitamin C product. Like no one's like taking their sunscreen seriously. And so and what that means is 78, you know, 78% of all premature wrinkling and things that you get is from incidental exposure, right? It's not because you're on the beach every day because most people just go on vacation once a while. It's it's any UV lights when people go. Oh, I'm not at all during the day does face ever see UV light or do do living in darkness and and people just you know, they kind of still are stuck into thinking it's when I'm out of the beach or I don't go outside whatever and but people really need to get that right and so the problem when they layer too many products underneath the sunscreen is they the sunscreen may not be coding the skin very well, especially if you're using a chemical base one, which really needs to kind of get into the skin and if you've got six serums on underneath and in essence or whatever you might Not be protecting the skin as well. You also should be in your moisturizer and then additional bonus. It can be in your you know Foundation or use some sort of mineral powder or just any powder because this is I have a blog post on the biggest mistake people make is about they don't think of skincare. They don't think of makeup as a skin care product like most people they come to me so they never have to wear makeup again, and I'm like no no. No, I still want you to wear makeup because makeup is an insurance policy because All makeup, even if it's not tested for an SPF. They all it all has titanium dioxide in it. So it's acting like a sunscreen and so so layer it's another thing. Yeah. It's another layer of protection. And so when Sarah mentioned about the myths the problem with the Mist is that she's deluding her sunscreen and you know, I mean everybody who's taking care of their skin, like if you don't get your sunscreen, right like all that effort and all you know what you're putting into it isn't working so it should always be about how can I protect my skin from UV light and it's also like even putting on a moisturizer with sunscreen most people put it on their face and then whatever is left over on their fingertips, they carry down. Well, it's not enough you it's about applying it generously. So you have to find one that's lightweight enough that you can put a lot of it on and be okay with that and so like my weightless protection SPF 30, you can apply a lot on and it dries to a matte finish and so people are comfortable with it. But so I think the mistake is that people are just not Attention enough to their sunscreen and and even if you do have like, you know foundation with SPF in it, most people aren't wearing that much. Anyway, they're putting just a sheer amount and then they're using their wet Beauty blender and that's taking half of it all off. And so I just think that if people can't get sunscreen right none of you know, that's just better. Your other products aren't going to be able to work their magic. Totally. I think a lot of people I've gotten this question a lot like okay. I am wearing a tent are I'm wearing a A moisturizer with SPF 30 is that enough and for me? No, I like to put on sunscreen. Like it's not the added bonus. It's just like a straight-up sunscreen and then I add on the moisturizer with the sunscreen, right because I want the protection. Yeah earlier, but I think a lot like to your point so many of you guys are telling us like that you use this Foundation that has SPF 30 in it, and it's like I'm glad you're using SPF 30, but like I'm not glad that Only using makeup as your soul exactly is a protection. That's not going to help you. I just remember reading Allure magazine's when I was a teenager. And the first thing I ever learned was SPF 30 at minimum. So I feel really lucky that I've been doing that for so long. I mean I had some of my best friends are like should I start wearing sunscreen? I'm like, oh my God have I not taught you anything in life and it's like and it's like everybody knows it. But like people just kind of they still don't take it that Serious, they don't think yeah, I don't know. I don't understand. I mean, I can't tell you how many conversations I have that people is just an afterthought either way more excited about serums and all sorts of fun things like that. But it's like you have to get that right and that's why when you know also like a lot of times people are like, oh should I use my retinol during the day? Can I use that? And I think what's important to understand is you have to understand what your skin requires during the day your skin is out in the environment heat pollution and all of that and it's being bombarded with free radical activity. And it's all about protection. It's not about active like repair ingredients. That's all your nighttime things. But during the day you're number one focus is how can I protect my skin from the environment? So that would be a vitamin C serum and some protection like those are the two things you need and I feel like people are layering on you know, they're using an acid-based owner what you don't need exfoliation like that in the morning to that extent because you want to keep a little bit of protective cells on the skin. So yeah. So people just in during the days when most of the Aging is occurring because it is free radical activity is at its highest during the day and you're working out and that's increased oxygen was just more free radical activity for the body. And so you just really want to get it right during during the day and so there's several takeaways then. Yeah, Miss will disrupt your sunscreen because it's going to it's going to dilute it gets going to dilute it your beauty blender might as well, correct use your active ingredients obviously for your nighttime routine. I say Obviously because it seems like common sense, but I think a lot of us are probably using them during the day do right focus on the protection and the moisturizing in the mornings save all those active things like the exfoliating toners if you use them at night and then don't worry about having like a 12-step skincare routine, especially in the morning less is more correct great. So what you should do after because I use a beauty blender and I do, you know, I dampen it and everything, but also I'll put my moisturizer my waitlist protection SPF. 30 on and then I'll put on foundation and then I'll dampen the with the beauty blender, but then I'll go ahead and put a little bit of powder on top just because that gives additional you know sun protection and you were saying because I asked you about your routine or what you do when you work out or when you go walk the dog outside. Like what do you do to your skin? And you said that you put sunscreen on but then you also put powder on well, it's so if / so, if you just need a hop out in the morning to take your dog for a walk, like what I do is I just put on a Are pressed powder and I'll just put a ton of it on and just go outside because it's easy right? It's like or I'll do that. Also, if I'm not going to be in the morning, I'm not going to be showering for a while doing my morning routine, but I'm still going to be walking around the house and there's Windows. I'll just put it all just dust a bunch of that on and that's enough for to hold me over until I can do my morning routine great and then like today it was kind of my day off a little bit here in LA. And so I wore my my SPF and then I put on a some mine has both chemical and physical but then I like to put an additional physical on top. So I use Delta m d they have their physical like little tinted one and I layer that on top. So I mean I were to sunscreens today love it. Okay, so you sort of already talked about adult acne and blemishes, but I want you to talk a little bit more just because for those of our listeners or people who just all of a sudden wake up 30 years old 26 year olds or whatever and are struggling with this adult acne and they don't know what to do what it is. What is your advice? It's like what should be their first step of action. So I see a lot of adult acne. I mean having been an aesthetician for 30 years adult acne as is at an all-time high women are more likely to get adult acne than men because women's hormones kind of dial up with age where men's hormones kind of dialed down but this is a big problem people that you know, you know why we don't really know but it's, you know, obviously some sort of hormone thing environmental thing, who knows but so the main thing that is in the The challenge for people as when they're breaking out. They don't know how to handle it because now again when I talked about the nine skin types their kind of left to like either Alston toss out whatever they're using and now switch to some really drawing routine and then they'll dry out their skin and then they're compromising their aging efforts. And so so specifically I mean some of the skin types in my line as we talked about like with Kirby are geared toward that specific skin type, but I came out with a collection of products called rapid response detox and products. I have a mask we just To do cleanser and toner we also sell it in a kit and I came out, you know, when I you know, there are definitely products out there that can address kind of breakouts in a non-drying way. But there it's like a whole you have to buy kind of the whole routine and I feel like when somebody has a regular routine, I created a couple of these products in this kit to just swap out a couple products and then just use those until you can kind of get your skin back on track and then when everything's clear you set those three products aside. And then go back to your regular routine. So you're not changing your whole routine. You're not having to buy a whole new set of collection of all these things. I looked at it like just swap out your cleanser and toner with these to use, you know, swap out this mask. We also have our Triple Berry smoothing people in the camp, but it's called rapid response detox kit, but it's specifically for people that just need a sub something in temporarily to kind of you know, because we don't know why you're breaking out but it doesn't matter, you know, I mean, we would love to know why but we may never That out. So but these are the tools you can you know, you can use to try to get it to go away and the main thing when I created those products is how can we address acne and non-drying way so that you know Salas, I mean benzoyl peroxide is great, but it really dries out acne. So it has it some salicylic acid depending on the product but it uses an Australian tea tree with Manuka. So it's kind of this complex that has a antimicrobial effect on the skin and it has a five minute Kilt. And kill rate of bacteria. So when you use it on the skin particularly The Mask, you only have to leave it on for 5 minutes and it reduces all takes off all surface bacteria. So it is it's also this kind of complex is used also in hospitals with disinfectants to clear staff. So it's been known to client clear staff, you know to prevent that but it does it in a non drawing way because we've added in a lot of calming agents and anti-inflammatory agents. So licorice root X Chinese licorice. Here we go. Okay. Which is anti puffy because you know, it's well and here's an interesting little fact menstrual cycle breakouts, right? Why do people break out during their cycle? Well, what happens is because of the hormonal shifts that occur right, but they occur right before you get your cycle starts. You have more oil starting to come out but the skin gets puffier which is why it's like people's pants can get a little tighter. So there's puffiness and the skin and Royal is trying to push through the poor when the skin is Puffy it Narrows the poor because it's kind of squishing the poor. So you have more oil trying to get through a pore and it can't get out as much so it's more likely to stay lodged in the poor and then that's when the cycle can begin for breakouts. And so this particular mask rapid response detox mask has anti puffiness agents as well. So it's trying to decide is trying to help like prevent the skin from getting so puffy. So the pores don't squish as much but it's It's a great collection. But like I said our rapid response do you toxic it is just here like anybody who's I cried? I am breaking out great and I say use this kit and then then when everything's fine, they go back to it, but you can also use it if you know, hey, I know I always break out around my period great start using this like five days before or I'm going to be traveling and I know you know, I'm going to this hot climate or I'm going to be eating all different foods or who knows what that's kind of like the skin Savior for people. Yeah. I wrote about it on popsugar when it first Launch as before the kit came around right there. It was the mask and y'all can look it up the article is you know, if you have hormonal acne, this mask is going to be your savior. I am actually breaking out right now because I have a little bit of inflammation because I did go a little ham with my routine this morning and I knew it that minute after I did it because my skin kind of like had a little burning moment. I'm like, ah crap. Okay. I'm going to break out and then I can feel it like right here on my cheek. So I'm going to go home keep it in the fridge you Don helps calm down the fire calm the inflammation. I have recommended this mask. I think to like every living soul. I know and it without fail works for them if you if you're breaking out so and you would put that on like let's say you have a big pimple. Let's say you don't have like break out our annual you would put it all over the face. Okay, because it only addresses bacteria where there is bacteria, but the truth of the matter is your skin is dirtiest at night. They actually say that the face is the dirtiest part of the entire body because We're touching her face all day long stuff on her nails. I mean like our faces our hands are on our face. I could mean people are always touching their face. And so it does like a total antimicrobial reset, but even if you're not really breaking out, it's super hydrating calming. So people it's like a great rosacea mask as well. So you don't have to have breakouts to use it but it's just putting the fire out and it's sending a signal to your skin to behave that's basically what it's doing and then of course we have anti bumps. Informally known anti cyst treatment and that's you know, I mean Kirby son that Praises for a long as you know Praises for a long time, but that's our number one bestseller, which is an alternative for people to try who typically have to get like cortisone injections for our sis. Like I mean, if you even knew the thousands of people that have that saved for those hormonal cystic under the ground knots that just aren't traditional don't come up to the surface. I mean this product is our number one bestseller it Has been our number one bestseller for years and it's a it's like if there's ever a miracle product that is it. So and she makes a chin kit, which I've talked about. Oh, yeah, the chin breakouts and kit includes the rapid response detox mask and the anti bump right because a lot of a lot of the hormonal breakouts that people get is chin and jawline. And so these two products are targeted. I mean you can use it all over the face, but we put that together so people could just use it just on the chin area because that's another thing too if you only have It's on certain areas of a of the face your kind of like well, how do I use my skincare routine if I'm only breaking out on my chin and jawline? And so those two products specifically are used down there. Awesome. Okay, we have one more question. Yes. Okay. So what advice do you have for testing out a new skincare product new skincare product great. So actually when people order from our website, we have a packing slip that comes in it in with it and we actually address that because that's a big concern with people we suggest to people to introduce One new. Product a day about every three or four days that's ideal. Now people when they were our products they get excited. They want to try everything at once but ideally just one new product, you know at a time and mainly mainly because if something isn't agreeing with your skin, you're more likely to know what it is. And and the thing is because everyone's skincare Journey, it's all about getting to know your skin. What does it like? What doesn't what does it not like, so if you're using five new products at night and your routine and you have a problem Helping yourself because you're going to go. Oh forget it. I can't use that line. Well, no, you might have been able to but it could have just been that one product that didn't agree and then of course trying to figure out what that one product what the problem was is a little hard as well. But yeah, you want to introduce slowly. So we always tell people yeah one new product every couple days. Would you say that's also the same for makeup too. Would you say like not just skin care but anything anything anything new and you know more so if you have a history of having problems, right? If you're prone to sensitivity and breakouts, you have to be a little more careful. But yeah, so always just take it slow. Okay, and that's so hard for us. I know we're like constantly. I know our job all the time. We have to kind of put our skin on the front lines for a job. But you know, we try to obey Renee. Yeah. Okay Renee actually have one more. I'm going to make that a sideline for hashtag. Obey Renee. I have actually like a one final question that just came to my my tiny little head. It's a good size. Actually not tiny great hair. Thank you. Do you believe in purging like do you believe that the skin purges? I think it can for some people. Okay. Do you think that if you are trying out a new product and your skin appears to be breaking out and it might be a Purge that they should keep going with it. And if not, when should they end progression? So typical culprits of purging would be acid? Leaders if somebody's not used to using an acid leave on exfoliator and mainly because your skin cells are kind of getting reorganized and so that takes a little bit of time. So if if we can determine that really what the new addition was if somebody just starts a whole new routine but include an acid serum and they've never used an acid serum before then we can kind of say hey maybe that's it. And so what we'll do is we'll tell them because I suggest using I mean, I can't speak for every acid serum out there. But in my line we have four of them. And I suggest people use it three nights on three nights off and the concept behind that just FYI. Is that night one you break through the concrete and I to Works a little deeper and I3 Orcs even deeper and then after three and I should go off of it and now you feed all those new cells for three nights with like a high hydrating serum something to peptides antioxidants whatever, you know, hyaluronic acid, whatever it may be and you keep doing that three night three night routine going back and forth. But if somebody's new to exfoliation three right out of the gate might be a little strong. Um, so I'll typically suggest them to just use maybe back off and use it like one night a week eventually work up to two nights a week. And so that's kind of the first thing I'll tell people is if they're not used to using exfoliators that would kind of be the one to pay attention to but sometimes sometimes it could be a moisturizer. And so sometimes I'd like people to kind of get off of that because that could just be it's just a little too heavy for the skin. So so sometimes if I suspect is more of a moisturizer, I'll tell him to get off of it. Not with you with the access of explorers. They need to push through that. Okay, push through your asset exfoliator, 's and if you predict or it seems like it's your moisturizer just cut it out immediately and see what happens and lighten up lighten up. I actually I love that advice. I think that's perfect. Yeah, we get a lot of questions about that. I think that's a big mistake that people probably make just layering it on the creme it look and don't get me started on skin oils. Oh wait, Anvil and the Actually curious like I personally I do use Skin oils from time to time. I wouldn't say they're like a must-have in my personal regimen just for me and personally many people that we've spoken to our abandons us. Well a lot of our listeners are obsessed, but I feel like a lot of people in the industry like not are not. Yeah, so you all know something. Yeah, tell me about skin oils. So I'll make it short and sweet. So one is let me start with Bombs, right? So I kind of put that the family or cleansing oil. Yeah, so people love to wash their face with that and they're like, oh, you know, I took my makeup off and oh my skin feel so soft afterwards and I can't ever imagine using a rare cleanser again because those leave my skin dry etcetera. Well a cleansing oil or cleansing balm has a lot of oils in it. So naturally, I mean so it does a great job, especially if you wear a lot of makeup, there's no doubt. It will break that down but it deposits oil on the skin afterwards. So if deposits a coating of oil which is why the skin feels so nice. Nice and soft and people are like, oh I love how it makes my skin feel but the reality is oils moisturized skin. The whole purpose of the cleanser is to clean the skin right? We're not trying to moisturize that's not the point that the moisture comes in. That's we're going to address that later. But you want a clean slate and so the mistake that people make is, you know, certainly in the morning as I talked about sun protection should be your number one Focus, but if you have this thin little layer of oil on the skin, even if this, you know you wash the facial wipe with wash cloths not going to feel greasy. So it's not like you feel like you've got this layer. Boyle but that softness meant it coded that and then when you want your vitamin C serum to go on in your sunscreen, you may not be coding those cells efficiently makes complete sense. What about if you double cleanse, right so that would be a better option. So then do a double cleanse if you need to audit because then you can get Caroline loves a double click that and he's just own teachers own but this is just my philosophy on it. So that's that also quick side note talking about cleansing in the morning. You should always wash your face in the morning because people are like well, I mean, I don't worry. Before I went to bed, but again like you want that clean canvas that clean slate because your focus is to make sure your sunscreen can properly coat those cells. So that's that so cleansing oils, you know, everybody loves, you know, I think what happens is everybody loves a glow and you put an oil on and your skin is shiny and light reflective and it's like ooh my skin glows, but the reality is, you know, only certain skin types can can use an oil if you're somebody that has breakouts, you know, even if you feel dry on the surface, maybe it's because Your barrier is damaged and using things that are drying but if you have breakout, there's oil under there somewhere because oil breeds bacteria bacteria leads to breakouts. So people with who have oil just don't need oil. That's not what your skin needs. But secondly, they're also kind of using oils incorrectly and they're putting it on underneath the moisturizer, but the molecule for the oil is the largest and that should go on top as I like a top coat. It was a seal everything and so like for example Vintners daughter, I think it's called a serum and I feel like that's misleading. I mean, I actually I haven't even seen how they recommend using it. So I'm not necessarily calling that out. But the fact that it's a serum right? We're like it maybe we do recommend it on a moisturizer. I have no idea but I recommend well, they recommend that you use it alone, but because it's a serum you can use a moisturizer on top. Okay, but you don't have to I do think though the turmoil Serum is completely misleading for a lot of people and I'm not speaking about Vintners daughter right? I'm just saying that I I think we get in general a lot of questions. What about an oil serum? Like I love my CRM but you guys said use oil as the very last step in your routine. What about oil serum rights, and I'm like It's an oil. Yeah. Yeah, it's still annoying. It's not a treatment. It's not something that you're going to get the if it's claiming to be a treatment. I feel like it's just our hack because it's not actually giving you the treatment that you need because you're not going to be applying it in the right way, right? Your moisturizer is going to be adding an extra barrier. You know what I mean? It's that can be you know efficacious. So should always be the last step you can use over moisturizer oils are all I mean, but they are good if somebody's like swimming in a chlorinated pool. It's going to kind of give that barrier to prevent like, you know, chlorine from drying out the skin so they have their place. But I also if somebody does have you know, some oil or they break out once in a while the best way to use an oil if they are going to use it is to put their moisturizer on the one that's appropriate for the skin tight because that's what's really penetrating the pores, right? So it might be an oil-free moisturizer that would be ideal or whatever that should go on because again, that's what's touching the skin and if you feel like you want to use an oil or need an oil then you take a couple drops rub it in the palm of your hands and then just Pat it on don't massage it. So you're literally just like just putting like a barrier over the Skin So if somebody lives up in New York and it's really cold out in the winter. I mean this can can dehydrate any skin type can dehydrate soils can be good for that barrier, but you just don't want to if you have some acne just don't want to be massaging it in got it. So just Pat well learn so much just calm so much. I hope I still learn I hope you guys have strong nerves. Just scribbling away learned. I did you see my hair flip. Yeah so much still. Thank you for the easier. Yeah. Thanks for today. Thank you Renee. Thanks for having me on I love you guys. I love you so very much for you. And I listen to you every week vehicles per day. So where can people find you? Okay. So Renee below.com take the skin type quiz, you can get in your nice skin types then from the website is my blog and if you want to be a smarter skincare Omer you're just going to go down that rabbit hole I've been had a Blog for 10 years I've over a thousand posts and then my company IG is Renee reuleaux skincare and that's really where we talk about skincare and then my personal IG I definitely do talk about skin care but like I went away for my birthday and we went to all those honky-tonks with my with my niece and so I talked about you know, all things going on in my life. So it's less about skincare. But if you follow them all because they're also great. Yeah Palo Verde is with Whole life. Yeah, she has a lot of fun. Okay guys, thank you so much for listening. We're so glad that we were able to get Renee on WE collect. We had I had Sarah asked well during her facial and then shave your puppy-dog eyes. Just whip this out. So we're so happy to have her you can find us on Instagram gloss. Underscore Angeles. Send us some DMS be engaged. We love to post questions and we love to post memes are my favorite thing like Tibe like review. Yes, please. If you are subscribed to us on Apple, please send us a lovely comment. We read all of them and thank you to everyone who has already left a comment. It has made our day. It also helps us to get pushed higher into the list so that people that are interested in fashion and Beauty on Apple podcast can find us and we can grow. Yeah, we can do more of these. We're also on Twitter Los Angeles pod and you can find us on Facebook. Our page is Los Angeles and Have our very special Facebook group that you can join and meet with and interact with like-minded skincare and Beauty junkies. That's a good chatter on there. All right guys, we will talk to you soon. 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On today’s episode, we’re chatting with Renée Rouleau, famed esthetician and the woman responsible for teaching Kirbie a ton about skincare. Not only is she a huge favorite among beauty editors and celebrities alike (including Demi Lovato, Lisa Rinna, and Lili Reinhart), but Renée also runs her successful eponymous brand, which she started 20 years ago. Renée chats with us about how she got started as an esthetician, her advice for how to figure out your skin type, and what to do about adult acne and blemishes. Plus, why skin mists might be a huge no-no during your daytime routine. Follow Renée: http://www.instagram.com/ReneeRouleau and http://www.instagram.com/ReneeRouleauSkinCare Renée's blog: https://blog.reneerouleau.com/ Take the skincare quiz: https://www.reneerouleau.com/pages/skin-types Acne cosmetica post: https://blog.reneerouleau.com/acne-cosmetica-cause-bumps-breakouts/ How to Get Rid of Dry Skin Caused by Harsh Acne Treatments: https://blog.reneerouleau.com/get-rid-dry-skin-caused-harsh-acne-treatments/ How to Fix a Damaged Moisture Barrier: https://blog.reneerouleau.com/dry-tight-irritated-skin-your-moisture-barrier-might-be-damaged/ Kirbie's Rapid Response Detox Masque review: https://www.popsugar.com/beauty/Renee-Rouleau-Rapid-Response-Detox-Masque-Hormonal-Acne-43107335  What's on Renée's face: Rapid Response Detox Cleanser (travel size) Moisture Infusion Toner  Vitamin C and E Treatment Weightless Protection SPF 30 Benefit The Porefessional Laura Mercier Flawless Lumiere Radiance-Perfecting Foundation Glossier Lidstar NARS Blush Bronzer Duo Elta MD Physical Tinted Sunscreen   Shop our product recommendations for this episode! Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/Gloss_Angeles Shop all of our product lists: http://www.shopstyle.com/shop/GlossAngeles Shop Kirbie’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/Kirbie-Johnson Shop Sara’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/saratan Gloss Angeles is co-hosted by Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan. Our editor is Patrick Muldowney. 