By now there goes old school. Hip-hop Bangers & his hypnotic. Yeah, what's up? What's up? What's up? Welcome to the 17th episode of the early 20s podcast as it's me this time Saudi your host for the week. And as always always have with me Shanker from joining us from Singapore gani was running at from Abu Dhabi yo yo yo, what is up? What is up? What about memorable? And this time our guest for this episode is missing. We will consider these cookies. Is that a thing in beatboxing II would just like to say that it's my thing probably. I mean a lot of people save mine. - Layla who so yeah, maybe it's a thing. Whoo-hoo guiteau. This is like audio branding. Just what Gary Vanessa keep talking about. Nellie's currently an in-house director at shebang. I don't know if that's the designation but I'm gonna go with that and you can kill me afterwards apart from that. He's also the co-founder of stop-motion Zwolle which is stop mentioned value, which is like at the rest stop motions. Were they on Instagram? He's also worked. He's also a beatboxer with Alpha Tunes a flat in which is a cappella band up. They came to Palani. Yes. Yes. We did come to Palani and it's called a flood Tunes my bad. Yes, they came to Bologna in myopic opposite with on 15 14 15 15 2013 II 2016 16. He was also a drummer with the band called heritage. And yes, that's that's about Malay and how do I know if my can maybe talk a bit about how do I know? I know him through. I mean we live in the same Society still like my parents our parents still live there and we went to this English tution once in nine standard and I think over that and somewhat during football sessions is when we sort of spoke a bit and know each other. Yeah, and I think I've been following you in La so I honestly mother obviously through social media I have been doing that for some context. I believe you started Beatboxing with a platoon somewhere around late 2014 and you had things coming out in mid-2015. Yeah, right. So I think I think the thing that really caught me and the time post which I've been really following you and like even after two moons are named simply the things that you people are not with is is I believe the tedx talk that you gave in general. I think you did it with a flat against correct. Correct, correct, right, so that was And I think rather than x giant college in Mumbai right? Unless someone else wants to poke me on some point. I can yes. What's the story behind English? What's the story? What's the story doing the English tuition? Like, how did you how did the two of you decide that you wanted to go to an English tuition? How did they need for it? Rise, it will help it helped me a lot. I mean today I can speak some English by to be to be honest and more. This I don't really remember. I think the indecision actually rather Focus not on how do you say it is basically focus on like the grammar and the things like letter writing and all that stuff that we had in our 10th boards in India. So you started preparing for the 10th boots in nine standard. Maybe it was in 10th. I don't remember I okay. I'll disconnect that. I was in 10th and for me, especially I had to join because I wasn't a nice CSE school so, you know like I mean most of the guys around at least back in my school, which is an international rule like I mean, the international part was only limited to the name and most of us would speak out all over about Karai are high you want IQ. The Red Sea Hunt has more of a Mumbai thing rather than now we're at least back then it wasn't a scene. So I mean especially for me I needed help because I would Rise really horrible informal letters and to be honest. I don't think I mean Saudi it must have help you for sure, but it didn't help me at all till they I think it depends on where you start Saudi started at a much lower point. It used to be fun. The the English thing. It didn't used to be like boring or cumbersome or anything like that. He's a short man is like I am once a week one hour ones. Yeah, not much and I think I think probably the first time I ever noticed problems or properly was of course ghostly a because of his height and be he had like these really long hands and fingers which he would constantly be doing pain tricks bro. So like we'd be sitting in the class and this is one guy's hand is constantly moving like through not gonna get any jizz spinning his pet and I'm like what the hell dude so half of the time like both of us walking towards you know, what you should also would be about bicycle are Casey Korea. It is the way ordem teaching you how to do that pendrick. Yeah. I almost I think sometimes forget that stage of my life. I was I was crazy about these small Patrick's I think back in 9th 8th 9th and 10th paint Recs you balance your book on your fingertip and then you teach using it around like you spin it around. Yeah. Yeah, there used to be fun. Nila is right now thinking key. What did I sign up for? Maybe you can start talking about like how did you get into beatbox? Okay, I mean actually is it's a bit of a long story, but I'll try to like keep it as brief as possible but it all started off. So when I was in my seventh grade, so that's when I started picking up drums because you know as a student as a child. I saw Brahms to be the biggest instrument on a stage. So I felt that oh dude like having this is the biggest thing and the loudest thing in the My want to learn that so that was my thought processes and learning drums. So as I kept playing and you know, the typical teenage phase of listening to progressive rock and like metal and a lot of Linkin Park also, which was to is Nu metal and like the rap above and a fusion of both like metal and rock. So in that phase I had my second band called crumble Street, which was a new metal band, you know, and it was an amalgamation of sorts of Linkin Park and Limp Biscuit with a bid of indianness to it. So the band back then comprised of about five people and a front man. His name is Roy now Vern. So he happened to be in the top three big boxes of the country back then and you know, he would often break into like a beatbox Groove in the middle of the song or like whenever we would rehearse or you know, stuff like that and Beatboxing to me was quite fascinating and also since I wasn't really a drained or like educator little drama I learn most of the things on YouTube. So I never really had like a formal teaching or like, you know, I couldn't draw the staff notation so I couldn't read them or write them or understand them. So I developed my own alphabetical very nomadic way of remembering my drum patterns, so I would You know several alphabet that resonated with respect to the sounds like see the kick drum which give like a boom kind of a sound so that became the alphabet B for me. So if I was using like a snare that was obviously like a s for me so things like these I started writing these random alphabets in my notebook and I was very ashamed of it, you know, like especially as a teenager and a drama who is playing gigs constantly and judging events and imagine like, you know, you're judging events and like a Fellow behind finds out that always good to have any other kind of ring not like, you know that is where it's not like a foundation of music you can do it without it also, but I was quite ashamed of it personally and one fine day. We were jamming and my beatbox urges happen to snatch that notebook out of my hand and he just started reading it and he started beatboxing the grooves which were mine and that just blew my mind dude. I was like what the hell like, I mean, what is this and he just laughed at me and you know, casually through the notebook and He's like bro. You'll be dancing all this. And I was like, oh is it so he taught me like the basics of your like a kick snare and hi-hat and dude. I just got hooked on to it because in fact two years ago, I bought my first drum kit so you can imagine like I mean back in those days. I didn't have access to like drums to practice. So beatboxing became like, you know something that I held onto and I kept picking up things because a quick rehearsals be cool Factor because I'm learning something new. So I Mean that's how we boxing started for me as like a sidekick to my band's frontman Roy and eventually, you know in the Geeks we would break into like a segment where both of us would do like a small Jazz segment where he would break into a trumpet solo and I would give him the beach. So that's how like, you know, I started beatboxing or crumble Street, which eventually led me to a flower Tunes. So Roy was the same guy who founded our platoons, which is still active. He's not a part of our platoons anymore. He Went ahead to pursue his MBA and now he has a job e is settling in Bangalore now, so oh by the way, he is an engineer who did MBA and now he's into the finance world. So I mean he of course couldn't continue with us in Mumbai because you had to move ahead but the band still does a lot of things so my story is actually quite funny without flirting is also so while you know, like I mean growing up in school music was something that I was really attached to and passionate about filmmaking was also something that was Gunning for me because right in my tender the yeah. Yeah, you're going to you're going to finish it in 10 minutes, man. Let me let me let me stop you there. I'll probably want to go in some details in some aspects for the story that I've already told us, but up until this point so you mentioned that seven standard you started drumming and then you jump to your second hand. Could you tell us about when was your second man? Okay, so I technically had my first ever gigging by and when I was 16, so like 15 turning 16 kind of phase where all the band members were, you know, sweet 16 phase where everybody had suddenly sling or like focusing on their instrument and oh I'm going to practice or you know, I want to sound like rhcp or you know, I wanna clear if that, you know, this guitar is really like so Like a lot of Guns N Roses. So that was the phase where you know, like five of us musicians. We just came together from different very places and we just thought you know, let's just start a brand bank and since most of us were pursuing science and it was the 11th and 12th fees also coming up. We named our band as a defective. So if that Rings anywhere else calls a defective, so it's actually a term from a chemistry textbook where it was just about the force. Between the electrons and stuff dude, like I mean so having that was the first band we ever had and we started playing around, you know, little gigs like playing outside in-orbit mall or like these small gigs and like college competitions and stuff like that. So as we started playing, you know, things started hitting off really well because wherever we would go we would end up being the youngest band around this Lycoming being 16 and playing with a band in college competitions, which was Where you know kids will be like on an average be like 18 and above so that kind of gave us like a boost where we already started understanding the independent music scene at least in the college competition space. So as you grow up and mature and I mean at least for me as a musician, it happened like a crash course from 60 to 70. So I directly jumped on from the whole face of listen to like a lot of Pop to Hero like, I mean specifically focusing on artists which will a progressive or like Nu metal and That's when Campbell Street happened selects a defective since we were all growing up and you know tense 11 majority. So somebody decided to like leave signs all together or Like Somebody went to some other coaching classes. So we kind of got disconnected and we will a band just kind of faded away. So that's when the Cromwell Street Saturday. And how did you meet Roy in the first place? So in November this is beautiful thing that happens called the music Liberation Union. So that happens almost like once in two years or every year am quite disconnected with that now but back then some mlu music Liberation Union was about the fact that they would host a gig where they would select and pick 10 artists so they could be bands or like a single solo artist Sonic Duo to replace whatever. So I mean however these things were they would call these artists and they would perform facilitator in 15 minutes and the audience would be open to ask them questions or they could probably talk about why they do what they do and towards the end of the gig they used to be a random jam session. So since like they would probably book like a hall or like a venue. They would let any musician step up on stage and jam with whatever they want for the next one to to us. so in one of those sessions where my first band Z effective was playing raw is now ruined or the guy who eventually became my band member he had his beatbox crew which was playing there and for me, it just blew my mind because there was so much equipment on stage then suddenly these three guys walk in and they just take the mic and they rip the stage of our sole fo this is Not expected. I didn't know our vocal cords were capable of doing something that's called beatboxing. So of course that was like my first no Eureka moment kind of thing that I was drawn to it immediately and right after the gig got done in the random Jam Roy and I kind of had a Face-Off. So I was on the drum gated he was on the mic and it was knowledge of I so in that battle that we had you is which was supposed to be about defeating each other. We ended up jamming and making the theme song of mlu that year. So that's when we realized that you know, like I mean we have something going on and let's do something about it. So that's how I like it led to crumbs you and I went really meant was it like MC share versus open ugly boy. It's a feeling I have. Yeah. I mean now that I think about it now that I think about it because for me it was a very big, you know, like slap to my ego because there was a guy slaying my ass with his mouth where as I had two hands and two legs trying to compete with him. So we possibly that makes you understand the wife of the moment She-Ra She-Ra and I mean, of course and then draw a after that became like my godfather / elder brother / pseudo father / beatbox trainer and band member. So, yeah, so with that I think so when you may try you and then When you joined Campbell Street with him and how is when was this with respect to your studies in a sense that where were you then with respect to that and how is that decision in terms of how is it in terms of your parent support house it in terms of you how you think about life then or the English tuition still going on of the thing of the past? Okay. So I mean, this is honestly I'll have to give you guys a little context as to how music happen to me or like how I chose music in a way that back in the school. I was honestly, I don't know Saudi if you remember like I was quite passionate Runner and a football player. Whereas I generally would imagine, you know, like going to bed Keith hide in the World Cup Way national anthem by check or my Kurama feet. So those things used to happen and my parents, of course, you know, like any other Indian parent during the board's they were like in my $10 a week. Let you do. These things have been cable nickel here internet connection nickel guy Joe which would emote a football team will be Gravely and some pig there. Yeah. So like this was the entire, you know Mahal being set up at home and I could no longer hide my injuries from football or like running or if I'm tired. I couldn't I'd it because they would expect me to be sitting in my chair at a particular RN studying. So I eventually had to give up because a lot of things are happening like National selections like Like States elections and like running events all of those things so I couldn't make it because they would need my parents permission and it reached the point where my coach had alleged come to the house and my dad should've always Inky whatever take a career Club career. He computer engineer go or Krishna get new ally so I had to you know, eventually give up Sports and then music begins something that I was like, oh click Queens renew or e.t.c with initial Drama character or and I could do whatever I want. So that's all I come in. I pick the music. also and the series of these things started vocal cords to nikolayevna just acting Oh, so I think that's how I music became something quite serious to me because you know that sorrow or frustration of not getting to do. What I want to do in sports or is getting my energy was being translated into something else. So compulsory coming back to chromosphere. It happened in the worst phase of my life, which was 11 to 12 magina again, I'm Rob is boards may have here so Bobby say TV connection one Dorothy. Internet data up to Android all of phone be at has a moment that wanted that phone back also and I was like a d K7 o Allah and he had started getting a lot and I don't know how about, you know, wherever we would get the energy of our band was such that it was quite contagious for the people to a lot of people would come for our show is like, I remember like anywhere we would say that we're giving at least 30 people I knew were coming. So we eventually became like, you know, the City Club key people kind of a band like on if This band comes, you know, these many people are coming. So, you know that as a teenager for me was like dude, this is exactly what I've been seeing in movies. And this is what I want to do in life and up the boards are get of cracker. So and also like being a science student it takes time. I mean, of course all of you understand and especially somebody like me who wasn't that much into the whole thing of your argument to give pain knee pain along whatever like more magic attack. Is excluded Optimum and all of that? So I was never really that driven. I was just doing it because I had to like I mean moment, I'd never locker room to grow and to be very honest as stupid as it may sound. I just did things because they asked me because I never really sat down to think to myself, you know, like what do you want to do? So this was the phase where in my 11th and 12th crumble Street was kind of a thing that gave me the Consciousness that you know, there is something that you can do and you these are your Choices and I could you not my boards were going on in my 12th grade and I think exactly a week before that. It was raining and during the monsoons giveth a I would wake up every morning at like 4:30 and I would lie to my mom and dad keep my method jogging Pizarro and I would wear my windshield or hide my drumsticks inside and take this booty out to Washington. And that's where we would jam like a butt like a 15 20 minute scooty right to this shampoo. For my bad, so, you know things are going pretty well because I was giggling like imagine one week it to go to your boards analyzing his game is bad and I of course didn't want my mom and dad to know so I just use my sleep cycle completely. So I was waking up at like 4:30 jamming every day. And then this one fine day I wake up and somehow made I was awake already and it freaked me out, but then I was like rolling balls category HIPAA which hanging didn't you take it, but that's about it. So I went down and You know, I just thought maybe he's following me. So many Society guy Checker cada. I did like a jog and I thought now he must have gone back to sleep. Dude who stays up at this are too many scrutiny Callie and I will reach the jam room when I am reaching the jam room. I'm opening my hoodie and before I could open it my dad walks into the gym room and I was like, oh they re like gay Hey, so he slashes the shit out of me and he's like each other moussaka and he threatens all my band members and my to Mexico if we got to get past the garage fire girls and everybody freaked out because most of the band members they were Elder to me like Roy is about like five six years Elder to me and the other band members were like nearly my age. So like I mean looking at them my dad kind of freaked out that you know, these guys are trying To distract my child or whatever like I mean now I hear it but back then I didn't get it because I was trying to be that Rebel because I was finding my own voice as a musician and all of that so conversely Tavern at a very bad time and then of course I couldn't play with them till my boss got done. So yeah when I mean that was the cobbled street Journey for me, but I think maybe you feel the same every time you said that however super it might sound blahblahblah, but you sort of did what you wanted to do and That's what is interesting. Right? I mean you you woke up earlier, even though you were caught after a certain point but I think that's that's like that's commendable. If for someone who's doing that generally the case with me, yeah, I mean move for most of us Indian children. I think we've been through that science thingy. You sort of all told maybe a few people sort of know where they want to go. But I think that's that number is a like a really few really small number. Anyway, so and and once you got into University, I believe you're studying mass media. Yeah. So so what was that also a difficult decision to take in terms of not really going into science and then sort of jumping ship to yeah. How did how did that come about? I mean, I honestly I mean the closest of my friends like I don't to be coming speak about this in general, but then since this podcast is about talking You know about these things. I kind of took a drawback to my advice to you know, pursue the whole idea teasing because till that point I was so furious with respect to my mom and dad that you know, like if this is what you want, I'll do my best and try to do everything possible to get that and in and I knew like I mean everybody knows they're you know capacity in some way or the other right and I knew mine and I knew that I was a pathetic science student like I would strive really hard to do certain things, but it would take me time like if say for example the three of you would take like x amount of time I would probably need like three or four or five x so I would invest a lot of time and you know, like I mean when you don't get things right, it's really frustrating and I had to take a drop because somehow like, oh you're wasn't enough for me to crack ID and I did it only for the sole fact a being like I still couldn't find my voice as to what am I doing? Be was an entirely new Rage Against the parents that optimize the McCurry Luma the extent so I took a drop and honestly initially it was quite I think depression would be like a really strong word, but it was quite sad because you know, like when you see your friends is that typical three dates. Are you feeling as a friend zagat's lar the word virile so I will sing my closest buddies, you know, they were going into colleges and like that typical phase of Of mommy APA gifts Lara virtual a getting you back laptop when you like moving to a new college campus pictures here and there and like friends are raving about the fact that you know, I'm going to be independent now hostel room where all of that and I was just in the same damn bedroom where I'm sitting right now also, but it was quite horrifying dude. Like I was like a coward I look like is this the right decision that I you know, like I mean, I'm still being called out to play gigs. People want to hear my band people. Hear me and then why is it that this just feels wrong? So I mean I tried I tried to do my part. Hi for the whole entrance thing and while studying itself. I realize that was I hit my threshold and New Era like I needed healing you pirate. So even in fact the day I was supposed to give my J entrance. I by that time my SRM result and like Moneyball and all these private colleges entrances had come out already and somehow my Things were like in five thousands and I knew like I mean this is not great and but even after all of this for my mom and dad, they were really happy because only for the sole fact that here Avatar though engineering career because by my 11th and 12th, I was actually teaching computer programming to a coaching class. So my mom and dad used to think by you to Prodigy Ira to software developer you and I go away so we get a nice collection and I knew that maybe because I have I had a knack for it. And I didn't want to like, you know, dive deeper into it. Maybe tell my curriculum I was good enough but not beyond that. So maybe there was also a thing where my mom and dad had the expectation key codes karinakr name on it. And on the day of my means I called up my mom errors like the commemorating. Jagat. Jogiya or way. Meghanadha. So my mom lost her shit and the typical mom. She was she didn't want to yell at me because if she would yell at me Maribel Kodomo Tachi paper kneel here. So she give the phone to my dad and I told me that that was happening with I drop little nibble engineering college books of mine who's Gail and I don't want to do and my dad was like if I interminable me, okay. I said I will get you said okay fine screw it one day. So I traveled all the way to what Allah said. They're in band. I travel too bad. Then I sat on Carter Road didn't give my exam and all my friends are abusing either. Why the hell are you doing this? Because by then they were all in their first year of college and you know, everybody had so much to talk about and the only thing that I had waited for a year, I didn't even do it. So it is created like chaos around my friends like my closest friends and they were like getting tagged attacker and the hell is wrong with you can't do this, and I just told them I just don't know what to do and I come back home a week later. Later, dad is booking flights for money pile. And you know that whole thing is happening up to watch our computer science project. Our main campus mirror is collect em cowboy and all of that and here book the slides and I tell him that I remember my statement was a very it was a very filmy moment for me. So I went up to my dad and I was like power see I like computer program and maybe I just might be good at it, but I really love music information. Those are really good pause of like a minute or two where I felt that my dad got it, but the response so is kedarnath apart you movie cuz I'm okay. Just stop on your belly. Yeah. I mean that that's what happened. And so I mean I wasn't physically hurt or a saturation but I was emotionally quite hurt manners like, you know for the first time I want to do something and I feel like you know all this while I've been living like a donkey and I finally know what I want to do when this is how I get it back and I just couldn't say anything to my dad do and of course because only named Paula posa and whatever I didn't take pocket money like a My life 1112 because I was making money with music. So I mean I at least didn't have to ask for that five grand o6 granddaddy might want as your pocket money and I was just taken aback dude. Like I'm going. Okay, like if he's not approving it, what do I do? So I was in a complete panic situation because I had nobody else to talk to about these things are going to make them understand that this is what is happening in my family. We are like typical rajput also in a way that he Pride or ego. Her to Jacob to submit I would he give us our engineering cut me one less or of cowardice super my mom and dad. Also. They also didn't know like you know, what the hell is going on and I started running around Mumbai colleges looking for BM cut-offs and I realized that for a general category student. My percentage wasn't really good cut off. So what the hell do I do and I somehow use my brain and I was like why not? They must be something with respect to my music and the things that I've been doing. So I figured out that there is something called as the cultural code. So through that I figured out that okay be MMA entry tochigi gonna be gone. So now after that I of course had a benchmarking if I'm doing DM em after all this manner then digging a drop and if this is where everything comes together, I might as well would want to do it from the best con. So when I went to the best colleges which were back then and even today jnh are in KC, so they're cut off so like incredibly High man and I was like what is happening because I still remember like I was in the train and I was like now what do I do? Like I can't go there. I can't go home or do I tell my mom and dad see, you know key all of this fight that happen is for nothing. So I ended up, you know, like I'm getting my admission in a low grade College. This was in the hardcover called SK. So Maya you guys must have heard of cages somewhere. So SK. So my is like a sister brother whatever thing so I enrolled myself there for your and I try to score the best I could and eventually I move to Gen Con so that was the village the is that is that like a mu feature that yes. Yes. Yes. It's a moment University thing that you can you know switch colleges if your grades are good enough or you can present something that's worthy enough for college so that became my game plan. So even when I came back home and I was preaching it to my mom and dad that, you know, okay. So here's the thing. Maybe Sally qualified over the next year a shift in our film. Those are laws and Luma so my mama Everything God will get into it. Like you know, what is happening because everything to them in that moment was like either this guy has gone completely Loco in the head or he doesn't know what he's doing. So they some so my dad had already lost, you know, like I mean faith in whatever I was doing because a typical pride of a father was becoming him telling people the world that he took a break and now he says do this and I wind and this is happening. So the typical he of a Arts curry with a large scale out there so that kind of thing and eventually I mean whatever I told them happen, but I didn't get the support till I finished College like I mean if you ask me like if I have my parents are supporting I think you asked me with respect to other supportive today. So I would say that yeah, man, and I think this support has just come in it's just coming in. As being probably say two years since my mom and dad have actually started trusting in the things that I'm doing coffee intense. That is yes. It is definitely intense. I don't know if you realized pretty coffee achieve a movie plot a Bollywood movie write a book about this, especially that that you page them about the thing and you and you right now I'm like right now you did do that like you went to that cardboard college and but you graduated from Um the end which is this is what we wanted to praise from jamming a long list of YouTube of The pilani Columns of the both love Kuno tell him mr. We encourage each and calcium Mustang II can imagine the opening shot of the movies you sitting on the Carters Road. Well your exam People say yeah, I'd like to ask about your college time. Like how did you pursue music during chain? So see my first year of college. I mean, I'm just starting from the beginning like I mean where I was in the dark opal College called as K. So Maya so now the thing was I still remember my first day of college. I tell this to my friends and they still make like jokes about it. I mean Anybody who eventually happens to hear this from SK somewhere teachers professors actually guys don't hate me. I still love you. But this is the incident that happened to me on the first day of college. All right, so I was really pumped. Okay. I actually if you could see me from somewhere I so if you just see three idiots again, this is one scene from the film where you know, American is just sitting and smiling looking at Holy Ronnie. And like I mean, if you could just go back and pause on that facial expression is what I had when I was going to college because I knew that finally that there is something I really want to study and I have a such an order so I reach the college I enter the classroom and I'm like full set for the things that I've never done before. My notebook is on the table pen pencil write a binding them full Theory case of the vet our and these two guys enter the classroom. Okay, and these guys are heading bone fitting jeans. So there's something skin fitting these guys are wearing bone fitting jeans and they walk in with like, you know, the Justin Bieber long shirts and would like five buttons open and like emo hair style with oil. So I mean, of course I didn't want to judge anybody. I send him a female but I'm using the center support them, but I saw them and they certainly came in the side in front of me and you know, what a team of our current I was finally coming together and some casual and comfortable. Jumping it. And these two girls walk in right after that and these two girls are wearing salwar kameez enough bro. Like I mean, this is not what I pictured in like DMM College. I mean generally people talk about these colleges to be like a really hip place. I mean not that salwar kameez is not hip it is hip. Okay, so don't these two girls walk in and these two kinds of bibs a little bits on it. And I was like, oh my God, even a casa Mila by and I shit you not. I don't know what happened to me. I packed my bag and I just went back home. I didn't attend the first day of college. I was just so shattered it dude. I just came back home and sitting and I mean as weird as this may sound dude. I cry to myself where I live. I'm again to Kaboom a consequence. I got my garage and become it because those shattering feeling to me was the Heat I would love it like basically behaves how he behaves a little girl be like, what is this? And what's the matter hon? Sorry just got to cut hair and I felt like really reveal and I started Googling the quickest possible. If so, it allows as to what I can do and like how the hell do I get out? I started speaking to people from different colleges and I started figuring it out and attend the college and I realized that those guys were probably not from my class. And like I mean things got better slowly. I started speaking to Professor's I spend more time in the staff room than the classroom and I realized that you know somewhere there is potential and I can probably actually make it happen in switch my college and that's when I moved to Jehan. So while all of this drama was happening I of course had this rage against me because my mom and dad will let my district which lie on Allah and I kid you not guys like I mean, I would go for family events. People would treat me like I am some local artists as if I perform and I boss can I make money and people would ask me like questions like a charm like I mean, I could see the Stark difference like my sister and I would go my sister is like same five years younger to me. So they would ask a better school district, but I guess we are here and the moment it would come to me Roberta TJ, and that just slight awkwardness or not even asking you what I'm doing like, you know ate me up a little know that I gave a shit about it, but I was like Eric a geek as and treatment are key. Maybe the body around them. Like what is this? So that rage was like Lick in built to me now anything and everything I did was just optimizing my day and keeping it as productive as possible for the next three years of my college. I have slept only for say like five and a half hours to 6 hours. Not more than that and I would just do multiple projects. Anybody would call me for anything photographers course is correct. Geographers versus kurata any YouTuber wanted help. I was there any band that wanted a musician. I was playing any event that needed a host. I was M seeing a lot of gigs. So I kind of opened myself to everything man. If anybody wanted me to act like a howl that I was acting like a whole lot in one of the music videos. So I did everything possible to explore and figure out what I want to do for the next three years. So I mean college for me was just about making shirk email. Sir, because you have all of our Natalia so like I mean, since you asked me how my college was and how I balance music it was majorly around this dude. Like I mean, I would jam at ungodly hours give or a college the CST met when I moved to Jane. So I would take the train every day resource like one hour one side only so I would go to college or during college Bounce from there. Make sure my jam is happening somewhere down side or like towards the central line. So in a day, I would eventually traveling on all sides of Mumbai and like He told me just to sleep for like, you know, four to five hours and I bounced next morning. So that was kind of my schedule my neck in college and this is essentially 2014 2017. Yeah, that's true that I'm your 2014. Also when you're apart of after tune. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was playing for five bands in college. Jay in the proximal at the name. So that's the thing. That's the thing. So the funny thing is, you know people look at. Jehane or like, you know, they might talk about the kids and how they dress up and the bad habits and all of that jazz Jay him is really straight college man, and it just threw me off completely because even when I was in SK, so Maya the teachers were kind of chill about the fact that if I tell them that okay guys, you know, I have a gig or like, you know, I have something to do they would push me they live, okay. You know that you'll go pop in your exams and all of that to curb. I think once you connect the green internship, but it went on sugar and the moment I entertain it was my first day and my HUD was sitting there and she's like she really let me just tell you that you have taken a seat of somebody who has probably scored way more than and you've got an Intercultural Coda like yeah. Thank you for announcing that in front of 10 other people in the room, but okay, so then she Like so here's the thing for you and everybody in the class. They 75% consistent attendance and you cannot enter one anyway, and if your lectures happening Grand bargain and even if you fall sick, if even if you happen to let me select your I need to know the medical report as to what's happening and I would like to speak to your doctor. And I was like, okay. All right, then and there I was just like dude like what legs answer. I thought you know, like things are going great. Boop Pete's babes. I also bitter leaves off and he leaves early. Because honestly the thing that I find very surprising and just let me record taunting like the feel like turkey from Luna khaki acknowledgement of the like our conversation used to be kitchen. He anxious tank used to be like a canteen. Okay? Okay, like selection of yourself. Are you anxious? They could bite here? I don't know that that's true for like most of at least at least for the three of us. Like we probably went to some classes in the first few days of a semester and then eventually grew up was at the end like fuck it. It doesn't really help to bust cut them company coffee used to wake up at 10 and then have some samosas and then back then have some lunch and and don't look down towards the end. We were having fun fully every day for two or three years that You go outside you get again PC gives you like half a kilo manfully and then you spend two three years having the moon for you. That was one of you you must have seen outside is a random gamma through Khan may vote or came home feeling hotter than look like yeah. Okay, chill Giggles newspaper. We should do that quite a few times. Stark difference, I think what struggle struggle ache but you mentioned that you were exploring so many different fields. He actin also singing also we've singing as well. I mean, how did you go about exploring that? How did you find these people? How did you have to do Network yourself? And what what did you come to any realization realization after that exploration phase? Is so see the one of the best things about bmm, especially in India Mumbai is that our cores allows us to have like this cultural Festival every year. I mean, of course it's not as big as you know, like having vegetables of your college or like a ID or anything, but the best thing about the bmm festivals is that people are really open like you will see the stupidest kind of shit happening at bmm Festival and everybody loves to talk about it. So I mean that became like a thing for me because I would eventually end up either participating or judging or just going for these festivals. So I mean like I mean since crumbles feed happen, I was already, you know, I was lucky enough to go to a lot of colleges a for either headlining gigs or judging. So, I mean that kind of opened me a lot to colleges as to meet people or like organizing committee and everybody and be mmm, especially so the moment And you would get offstage doing something you would have five people coming to you trying to make a call towel. So that was bmm for me. So it's like if you didn't know people people to would find you anyway, so that's how it happened. So like I was playing drums. So people musicians would connect with me if anybody saw me beatboxing like I mean hip hop in general of Mumbai like the community is really tight like everybody knows everybody. So the moment I started beatboxing. I only moved everyone and everybody. And everything how was your experience playing in planning? How was it honey? Because public you know the first look of Fulani itself and you know the places we went around and especially the moment we enter your campus do we will mind blown and will I go I am it's a fucking Palace if it feels like paradise these guys have money these guys have everything what else do they need? So it's a beautiful city where you can breathe and like a hot water in the windows. That's what we need. Palani Republic was too good. Like I'm going till date if you ask me how many ever gigs have happened to do in my life. Palani will always be in the top five always do because the best thing was I will never forget this back then a flower teams used to do this thing where we would pick out random words from people and make a song out of it. And I remember there was something that happened in the world or the On that we got over here Topo. I remember that fire there. Oh, you're there exactly. So the thing that happened we started singing pushto push and the kind of response you guys gave us we were just like by a car we Queen is this like a Bohemian Rhapsody happening for us to push was the was the election word in our ears and dopo was basically like we had DC plus official like inter intra campus file sharing. System is and your voice is one guy used to share a lot of stuff. I guess yes x-rated. So no, I know old stuff you're talking about. Can you can you do like a small tribute to pilani like 10 seconds of beat boxing for the pillow Nika public is that I don't know. Yeah freestyle because a lot of our power a lot of our audience might have been in the in the hall at that point of time. Absolutely. Yes. Okay. Okay. I mean I honestly don't remember how we made the song but I could just do a quick read box restyle for you guys if yeah, so nice nice. I think I'll be there are a ton of funny faces. Well report due to be honest. So in fact last two last week itself after teens, we did like a workshop for 700 people where we made people be box in the span of an hour. So nice, I think you can do is for sure and then are my friend. So do you spend three hours and you did not get any where's I also needed English tuitions. When where do you think actually you mentioned the thing that you did with reflectance last week? I also notice there's a lot of Buzz about Alpha flattens and you guys meeting Boman Irani. And what was that all about? Oh, so I mean Reflections as a band very commercial in a way. That we are you a band like we just know like I'm in here for everybody like right from like a kid or two like $1 G in your house. Everybody will love us because we kind of have like a very Playlist Live from pop songs to old songs to Mohammad Rafi like we do everything. So we've been doing like a lot of gigs and like I mean not just College events like how it happened at which Fulani we doing tedx. Like we did our second tedx talk. Also, we've done collaboration with brands. You've done brand launches corporate events weddings and Howard shoes. So what you are talking about specifically we did something for Midday call the media guide Awards so though that happens to be like a really prestigious award for like all these food joints restaurants and the food World kind of thing, especially in Mumbai. So you performing at the awards. We're like a lot of big people were there in the audience when and to be honest. We never thought it would end up. Being so big and they come in right the moment. We stepped on stage. There's Malaika Arora sitting in front of us this Rajkumar Rao and under get busy Boman Irani by time. But let me see locally. The guy was choked like I was choking on state. So the thing is I only beat box for a flattens, but there are these certain songs, especially Punjabi songs that directly sink. So I was supposed to be singing like London to Mach 9 one more song and I was like bro, this is our score also now like if I this up screwing it up for the best time of my life and they were a lot of music composers from Hollywood also in the audience when and we just never thought this gig would be so big this we just needed it like one of our other shows and we perform for like 10 minutes straight on stage and right after the event Boman Irani game, you know like to was and he started talking to us and we asked him so if you know, like how was it for you feel and what you feel about the band end dude, I think we had the most In response from him like we didn't expect him to be so down to Earth because the first five minutes it just my brain just could not process like easy from Munna Bhai, mbbs or easy virus from Three Idiots what's happening? But in general do like he was like a really nice parsee Uncle talking to us and the recommend he pinpointed things like, oh, I really liked your performance. Like even though there were so many people in the audience. You guys were performing any were happy because you're doing what you like to do. And I really expect a lot of good things from you. And the best thing was that you guys didn't try to step on each other's toes while performing so, you know, like seven people on stage and somebody like Boman Irani in the audience noticing such a intricate thing dude, it just made our day man. So he immediately was like, all right, let's get a picture together and then we put a picture on our Instagram and next thing you know, he puts it on his handle and we're like, oh ma buddies with Boehner running. Nice one your nice that's quite a story actually want to get a lot into a flower tunes and the way you manage your social accounts because that's something we also somewhat interested in with the early 20s podcast and also with like in general in life before this, but before I do that, I think I want to put some more closer on to you getting into filmmaking. Okay, and not really like closer but really just start. And and like when did that happen for you? And and and I guess I think before this you're talking about how you were dabbling into a lot of things during University and yeah, yeah. Yeah, maybe we can talk about that. Okay, so filmmaking honestly happen like seriously. It happened to me back in 10th Grade. And what happened was that there is this thing being circulated around the Ryan group of schools and our headmistress just announced it in one of the assembly meetings that okay guys, so there's a workshop happening at Whistling Woods International which happens to be Film School / selected Bulacan things as well like the teaching business and all of those things and primarily they are known for the filmmaking aspect of it. And this was a workshop that was going to be like a week-long workshop provided kids from different colleges make a small short film and send in their entries and God is paid and The giri likes it we get to go for a free Workshop. It's abijah and the faculty of his singles and this thing hit me like no joke man, because by then already like all my class assignments just to get away from making PBT is I would end up making like a small image show transition or like a small movie on Windows Movie Maker and I would submit that and the moment this thing came in. I was like dude I have to do something about this. I don't know. I still honestly don't know. Was it for Subhash ghai or was it? Like a filmmaking school, but we just did it and we made a film in school. You called dream on Alex which was a super cliche film about me. Of course. I was a beggar on the street who likes to play football. So the film's idea was I sat down and I was like a corset on my football freestyle at second on the chalkboard with the chairman and they or Rags to Riches kind of a thing contain like I mean, of course I didn't realize that I was doing this but at least that was the thing that struck me and my He's and we just made a film about me being a beggar on the street gets to go to a school and when a school competition as a football player. So this was the film and we submitted this we got to and so the three of us from school like there was me my cameraman and the editor. So the three of us we got through and he attended this workshop and whistling Birds and the entire week. I couldn't sleep because I was just so excited meeting, you know professors would talk films. I had a classroom filled with you know, say 10 more kids like me who are interested in film so that became like a, you know, like Cornerstone to me that this is the thing like this is also something that I cannot leave. So that's all filmmaking solder from email. And then after that I just go to the whole YouTube space making sketches parities and helping our budding musicians. I would shoot them. So anything that my DSLR could While I was just mentioning the the team patil for humans about me again, that's again something that I had seen when I was in university when it first came out and I think I also shared with with the folks today how that I'm sober. Maybe you can maybe you can tell us about the video about the film and and where was it in terms of your college timeline where you are that point of life, so, This actually kind of continues to a lot of more things. So since one of my primary reasons to join BML was because my curriculum in World photography and understanding Cinema and the thing about BM is that in the final year of you get to make a film which is your which is based on contemporary issues. So you supposed to pick up a topic and you supposed to make a documentary out of it. So just these two things were my major reason of doing your course called the And as uh, I don't know like I mean ever since cool advertising or something that really hit me a lot because also because I started filmmaking in an era where digital filmmaking was like booming so my inspiration and most of the ideas that I had were based out of YouTube. So I knew that there was one particular thing that is something of everything will be. Mmm. So I joined the course and as I told you like I was shooting music videos. I was shooting Live Events. I was like, I mean For money to be honest, I mean not that I needed any of my parents want funding me like because from 11th and 12th, I barely ask Mom and Dad for any money. I would end up doing like a lot of wedding photography things which my parents don't know of so that used to be like a good money thing for me as to if I didn't have a gig a month. So I would end up doing like a wedding photography gig which would be so like, I mean you do these very things things progress and in my second year College in bmm itself when photography was being taught to us. We were supposed to submit a photo series assignment and like I mean everybody in my classroom, they were trying to do like the most standard things around and everybody was trying to do the mainstream things that were done and back then my mom and dad had started a small Cafe which now is no more but because of that Cafe a lot of things I would take up like duties like giving up, Away Flyers. So the new newspaper Flyers that you see so VI. It was my job to take the flyers every morning which was around 3:30 4:00 a.m. Go to the newspaper while as and make sure that they are putting all these flyers into the newspaper button. So I would do this for Mom and Dad and this was the time where my photography assignment was supposed to be done and I was doing this so I thought you know, like I'm waking up at this hour and I Things that I never knew like, you know every morning we open our door we would see like a bundle of newspapers magazines and all of that and like, you know, the milk packets kept properly Adam symmetrical and then you have just no idea kid never Jaguar cover. So I just thought what if I did a photo series around this like I trace it back and find out these people who are working at that. So I came up with this thing as the Forum Heroes. So I did a photo series of you know professionals or what Okay Professionals in the sense people who are just looking at data so that whole process of making a photo series, you know, got me more involved into filmmaking and like, you know, the Aesthetics of what visually appeals to people because that photo series kind of set me up for good and it the day I started putting it out on my Instagram. It went viral. So BuzzFeed picked it up scoop big data, we will use papers wrote about it. So it just blew up out of nowhere and I was like dude like me. I want to do things more like this that work so that kind of push me more towards YouTube content. I was working with our YouTube channel called snotty p and around that time we had made something you guys remember the aib roast that had happened. So the kind of backlash aib had received we made a parody of a ib's parody in support to them. So that again was picked up by scuba speed and all these guys the I'm about to eat it about us and all of that because in the arrow, I mean the time of them being roasted we were trying to support them about the whole idea was the freedom of speech to be given to everybody so that you know like to call so in my head I was like too late. I mean, I'm just enjoying this not the fact that things are going viral, but the fact that my content is something that people can relate to So that's when you know, like I mean things became like even stronger that okay, I want to do ads at least for starters. Now feature films are about making it for now. I want to divide. So by the time I came to my third year of college. I had started assisting directors as an add so I was running around on say it's like we're just taking printouts of the script or you know, getting chai or like I mean just sitting with somebody like a star standing outside vanity escorting the celebrities and all of that. So I've done all kind of shit in my car. So by the third year, I was like bro. He met first year, maybe two percent of them. Go up you realize. All right, so I was like, okay, I want to do more of this. What do I do? What do I do? So shebang came to our college for recruitment. So by the moment they came and I knew like I mean, I want to be NAD I want to do more of more and more of what I can do. So I knew that as a freelancer I didn't have enough contacts because I don't come from a background where my parents are connected or my family is connected to the filmmaking World anyway, So I thought if I join an agency at least maybe 30 days mrs. Does intimate come kuramon 10 projects? So that was my ideology of like, you know Screw the money because by then I already had like two more job offers from different places, but I was like, I want to get brands on my crease and I move to shabbat. So I joined shebang in the first two months. I was in ad to my boss and by the end of the second month my boss just sat me down and he's like, bro. Body for quality and I was like dude, but this is what I wanted to do and he's like you tell me why are you giving me ideas? What is your job? I was like, okay fair enough like I mean, it's not my job to give you ideas. So it's like okay. How about this? I'm going to give you a small series to do. I'm going to give you a hair tutorial series if you directed as the most cinematic series that we have done I let you become the director of the production of and as like, I you shooting because in my head my timeline and my planning was given a life with the Salvage a gay the red curve. And it just came to me in my first two months of you know, like professionally working for an agency and I lost my shipment for the next two days. I just couldn't sleep again. And I was like, I have to make sure that this is the most cinematic here education series ever made. So with whatever budget we had with however knowledge like how much ever I knew about films. I just applied it all made the series and the client was blown and they will I grow this is the best, you know, like coming here education series Revival mate, I mean Nobody watches are education series but first so the client to see it and for my agency to pick something like that. They were blown with the kind of content that I gave them and my boss is like alright fine dude, like I'm going to aiding short you're really bad at it. I'm firing you but join us as a director and I was like dude, like I still can't believe that she would like I mean whatever I'm doing. I'm just glad so ever since then like my direction carrier a star so it's been two years since I've been directing so Just videos say I guess I'd say music videos stop motion. So that's how things are solid form and sort of sorry jumping a bit something quite a bit back. But how did you how did you find the the team patil family? So maybe if you could maybe you could tell us a line about what that invited video was about and and we'll obviously link it up in the show notes. But how is that Discovery process? I mean, that's what I find probably the most intriguing. Okay. So a team particle is one of the videos from the series of humans or Bombay and team body is essentially a film about these twin sisters who are currently Ranked in the top three or at least of five swimmers of our country and they represent India in many ways and they father happens to be a constable who also has a background in swimming. So this story called team bottle is about this family where this father was a constable. He does a night shift and he wakes up every morning to train his daughter and then he goes to bed. So team bottle is kind of just the Journey about how this entire family is. Trying to you know, fulfill the dream of these two sisters were trying to select the jungle for swimming. Yes. Exactly. That was my first thought when I got to know what so yeah, and I mean a team party essentially came to me because back then so shebang goes in the initial phase of collaborating with humans or Bombay and humans on Bombay by then hadn't really done any videos. So they found a Karishma method. She's our down with the founder of shebang. Actually career so these two guys are sitting and they were chatting about it and me because I had just stepped into direction and you know, because the budgets are like really Lou and I mean it was more about this story even going out of this. That's what him the bomb is about. So they I don't know why but they give the project to me and they said that okay, you know, these are these two girls they swim and they're twins go figure out what the seeds. So I just teach them like a mad dog, man. And because these two Girls are non-actors and you know, like I mean getting like to really shy introvert goes to speak on camera and especially me as a young director with no formal asset education from a film school. Like it took me a lot of time and to understand how to do it. Like I mean even today I have my own set of ways to go about things but I don't know what I did back then it opened the girls really. Well it open the family like even today if they ever spot me anywhere or you know I mean once a month I get a call from mr. Bartell and he just says your cancel that so is that kind of bond that I will do them because I would you know, like I mean go with them for their training I would see what's happening how the father teaches them because you know, like I mean, we especially as Indians, we have a very different perspective towards policeman agreed. So like, you know, seeing a father who's also similar and happens to be their coach. So it was actually quite a learning also. So for me to understand key bossy a second-year police walamir, if coach here or in Kebab be here to take how does one balance this? So for me because I was also trying to balance like a couple of things. I kind of connected with him on a different level. So we would end up chatting about you know, how things are happening within our life of a policeman is so that was something that I envisioned and I wrote this script and the like, I mean the team from Sheboygan and we made that film come too late. I just saw that video. Today or Miss soduku bold with the maratti my motivation for the challenge. The mother goes in - yeah, because that's the thing man because I mean even if you look at humans or Bombay no matter which language or the guys that they speak to the end of writing it in English. So I mean for me especially for the mother because I could see that even the family like these guys the moment they would talk in a language that is not their native or like mother tongue. You see the disconnect of their emotions So I was like, you know what there is is just do it the way they are is it just let them speak the hot out. So even my interviews and how I would speak to them I would just let them be free. Like I was just essentially The Joker on said I was just dance around through order on somebody dive into the pool and like having do all sorts of crazy thing to let me let them open up kiha you have either a particular kind of a thing. So like I mean that it was like a really good process man because as a filmmaker getting to work with people shooting films is all you can ask for nothing. Somewhat related in a sense that even when things are bunker if you remember as Sri Lanka trip every time we used to switch on the camera. So we went to Sri Lanka in July last year and so one can use to block then like once a week and the idea was and during this alligator. The idea was it's a eighth day long trip and the idea was that will block every day as in will have a separate episode every day. Okay, and it's time we used to switch on the camera. And we also have the discussion then K. There is such a difference in the way we are Acted simply even if we are just talking in English or Hindi simply by the camera. There was such a difference in which we said things we offer to be acted after we spoke in a certain manner through Hannah. That's an especially for someone who's like a kid the mean those those those those two those two girls are like, they're not they're very young. I mean they still very the the probably very naive. Yes difficult to The oven because I mean even as you know the coming they're just teenagers here and you know competing at like a Indian level and I mean when you have such a strict routine because I was first you blown by the discipline that these girls headband like I mean, they would go for like training every morning. They go for a run then swim kering a then they are starting also and just to tell you these girls are really good at like I mean their academics as well. So that was something that Drew me because like I mean, Millie that is so well concerned about what they're doing because most of the things that I mean, maybe I'm sorry, I'm going to sound too radical but we end up doing it for the society like a family we tend to do a lot of things that is just for the society because it's being set as a norm because somebody said it and it's just being followed like these guys, which is breaking it out there. So they had my heart in the first meeting itself because you know, my first question to the mother was on TV, what do you do? And like everything in her routine that she spoke about was just about then and I was like, okay then what do you guys do on the weekend? So they said all of us go for swimming together and it's like okay Antiquity party or like, you know, what's this? He liked having you guys meet up with family. There's like nine in in in any I'm look family. I'm listening with that because I'm Luca diet kurobuta. Then these guys Feed Us from outside and we don't want that children to get used to, you know, eating food from outside or watching movies. I'm getting distracted. So and you know any how it sounds to you or me right now? I felt like oh that is so cruel. Dude. They're not letting their kids do it. But then when the kids themselves are loving the whole process so much. This is the best environment one can ask for because you know me because I was I was still in the phase where you know, I fought for what I wanted and just look at this damn family when they're getting everything these kids. What are they doing? So I would end up, you know speed these kids also like that key. Hi. Your cats here to me. So there was the whole process when he was really heartwarming for me also to understand that what it is to be in something like this. I want to I want to ask about stop motion Valley. How did you get it to stop motion? And what is stop pushin value? So stop motion. So just the way how you guys went for a small trip. Yeah when I got done with college, so a couple of our friends we went to go. And then events pity. So basically I ended up blowing up all my savings that I have. So when he went to Google now, so I don't know. I think it was a very accidental thing that happened with me. I was trying to take a time-lapse of these waves hitting the seashore and when I tripod or kind like it was a small narrow pathway on those are still gonna go slow. So it's like a really narrow like just one person can you know, like having walk from that area so I had kept my a tripod there. And while I was taking the time lapse I had to move my tripod because somebody would come and push it or like, you know, they'll tell me to get a side and all of that so I ended up moving it like this. So when I saw the output on my camera, like I just took my camera on and I was just crawling through whatever I had so it gave my entire thing as a movement of it being sliding from left to right but another group like I mean, this is insane. So what if I mean these all became like a hyperlapse? Yeah, exactly and let me tell you I had no idea what it was called. So for me in that moment, I felt like bro. Well, you know waiter. I've just made something out on this planet and I was so excited about it. I spent the whole night doing that in all possible directions and he's possible. So my camera was filled with just random movements going ahead coming back sliding doing a zigzag and all that and next morning. I asked my friend, so I hadn't slept that whole night. So now just to tell you was around like I'm in 6:30 or something in the morning and my friends woke up and three of these guys I told them guys. Listen. I have a really stupid plan and I want you to like trust me with it and they said okay, what is it? So I told him so you just have to take a step and jump and I'm just going to keep you guys made it so said okay DJ Channel cut the so it started off with like five photos six photos and income patients started wearing off. And these guys are like what the hell is this? Dude? Like a hoop or a car are what the fuck are you making us do what is this? So I just don't know. Okay, just give me 10 more images and I won't ask you for anything. So I just clicked a series of them jumping and I clicked it so that became my first ever hyperlapse / pixelation. So a category of some motion is called pixelation, which is done with humans. So it's like a hyperlapse with you is kind of thing. So that happened and it just blew my mind. I was like wow. Ow, like now this is something that's going on so I started making personal videos like that and this is the video wherein like though, I think your three friends are gliding across towards the towards the sea shore. Yes, correct, correct, correct, correct. So this was like an experiment which turned out to be really nice and I just I was so excited. I just posted it on Instagram and I was like look they coax like it me gallium parity check this out. Don't tell me what to feel. So my friends who like oh dude. This looks nice man. This looks nice. So then Then I started thinking, uh, opt-ins pretty bizarre. So why don't I do something with sleepy? So me being me. So in general I am a very extreme boss either I won't do anything or I will try to do everything. So I thought our species honest. I'm going to document the whole damn thing. So then I was like a chore, but then I can't carry my you know camera and tripod because if I want to shoot on the road the cops are going to catch me and then stop me. So what do I do? So The first thing that came to me was a GoPro like why don't I try using a GoPro. So I borrowed a GoPro from my friend and I wrote like a really simple storyline about introducing my friends and the place where we went to so that became my first I will go pro stop motion film and when I posted it online GoPro picked it up and go pro officially released it so that was the start of stop-motion value to be honest because so rush me and I rush me happens to be my partner we run and the co-founder of stop-motion Valley so we run into Get this or she was somebody who was like, let's see how this works out kind of a thing but held onto the whole process of shooting it and the moment it got picked up we would like to relate to it. So that's how we started so emotionally so from humans remove two products, and now we make ads with stop motion. So that's like USP also that I'm trying to build up as to becoming like a stop motion director and like do more awesome ocean X now. You just do it at scale Matlab. Mohini like to you. What is the frequency of that? So again? Yeah, there's a frequency a search because most of these Use for stop-motion Valley especially like these we were quite active to last month. This month has been a little hectic with respect to the kind of projects. I'm doing the kind of concentration. He's into so Russia also used to work with shebang at a point in time. And so things were easier like we could time our things together because we're working in the same office so we would end up say like, you know shooting on weekends, but now ever since she's left shebang she's freelancing. So matching that thing becomes a little tough, but we try to do Do as much as possible when we shoot almost every weekend. So it's like office Delta and then the moment is we can stop motion one. That's how it works, man. So so no time for work-life balance. Yeah. It was the same thing. Stop motion only like work for you. How do you define work? So work for me would be actually I am and I think this is a tricky one. Let me try to phrase it properly. Hi, sweetie. I don't know man. I mean because I honestly believe that. The moment you use that our work it's not fun anymore. And if it's fun, it's rather a passion project. So I mean I would like to say that as you know dramatic as it may sound that everything that I'm doing is my passion project. So when I even if I say work that probably just reverse to like doing something fisherman and passion projects would be like, you know, my band or stop emotionally and stuff like that. But as a whole it's not working last two questions from my side. Okay, my first question, is that like, what's your what's your plan ahead where I where do you see yourself? Maybe in the shot? Like the medium term or which direction are you aiming for what you're working towards and yeah, I'll let you answer that first. Okay? So you're having this thing that I'm doing right now as a director to be honest, like I mean if I just look back now and you know, just look at all the things that I have been doing all this oil and 24 now. So whatever I've been doing since the past 24 years happens to you know, like I mean come together as me being a director because everything I can you say music or whatever Chota mode acting that I've done I recently got to act and be box for a commercial for Smule so That was also a TV. So I had never really done anything, you know on like a TV commercial space but doing that also it kind of everything till that moment. Even when I was acting I was quite nervous because you know, I'm generally more comfortable being on the other side of the camera. But now that I was in front of the camera there was only one thing ringing in my head that every time I would do something I would think to myself old like as a director I would want this, you know, as a director. I'm going to do this next time as a director. I I'm going to communicate with my actor like this next time so, you know that has kind of built up in a way that if you ask me like in the coming years, I think that's direction is something that definitely kind of sums up me as a person and I want to develop myself even more and more. I would really want to work on being a writer director who is capable of pulling off whatever my brain wants to do you see yourself going into independent? Movie production like your own production stop-motion value. Yeah kind of but yeah, I mean I get what you're saying I get yours. What do you think because right now I am in a lot of short form content to say like, I mean, I'm majorly doing ads which are like 30 seconds or 10 seconds or like a minute-long or select two and a half minutes three minutes, but I think where you coming from would probably be like a short film if you were to ask you or like a feature film so see firstly feature capacity. Nearly or Nike with a gouge in so whereas a short film comes it is definitely on my mind man either by the I mean, maybe this is too ambitious or me to say mostly by the unit or the coming starting of the Year 2020. I'll be shooting something man. And I will definitely get you guys are getting excited. I was just wondering what love to how do you break into like a feature-length like do Called you raise that money because intake like Shanker know a stronger nose and Schumacher three using money. He wouldn't complain about it. Now pisonia middle of Pacer is gonna take me seems easy. How do you how do you would you raise the money for liquor future from or like so slightly longer film? So I mean see to be honest. There is no particular formula is such that I'm aware of and majorly all these things work. God is see for instance. I have a killer script that I really believe and say I have a cast or I have seen like a dop who wants to shoot who is established enough and wants to work with me or in general if I have like anything that brings the X-Factor to my project be it like a a killer script or like a really brilliant cost that is already willing to be on board for like a dop was willing to be on board. I start approaching either Brands to collaborate. Or the first thing will be I will approach production ounces. So these production hours is generally tend to have like a good backing or at least have connections that will help you reach out to producers or you're like investors who want to invest in a project. So that is kind of a way. So the moment you have like a production house that is ready to do something with you. You start looking out for more avenues like brands or like radio Partners or make some jewelry thing or like I mean all these random things I made the best example will be just watched any the himal feel more like a Chris Shaw. Race or a gold mine. So you get what I'm saying? Is he does? Yeah, so that's how you get money for the future actually wanted to ask about how do you feel about vlogging as in do you think about blocking yourself or do you think about putting out? I mean because I think I think that that is what so both of us really at least. I think all three of us, we follow Casey neistat a lot do so Casey nice and is the Casey neistat is God yeah, obviously, yeah, I know what a hyperlapse is because I follow him. That's all I mean what other source of I mean they don't teach us I put up there in teachers anything engineering. But yeah anyway, but so I think his idea of vlogging was that he wanted to make more films and he was not able to do that with the even like I think he was already working on short films for Brands and everything, but then he I think on a birthday he decided that okay, I'll block because I want to create more films. So is that something that you ever think about you for yourself? You'll be very honest like little tiny itsy-bitsy part of me wants to do it. But then the only thing is that it still requires a lot of time and because I mean, I generally tend to the coming say for instance right now like I mean March and April tends to become like slightly relatively chill in terms of advertising world, but otherwise, it's like a hurricane dude like one day you just sitting and cribbing are commonly economy. And the next thing you know is the of know when you're like, oh my God, I want this to get done. So in that kind of a really erratic work schedule it is a little tough for me man, but eventually like I mean when I'm or sorted in a way that I can do it, I would love to do we do this. It's like I want the content to be out exactly. I somehow in some way related to word. Casey was be healing So again, I'd love to that's why my question for the independent production. That's where it came from and niceness I think so. My last question is also something that we typically ask most guests. It's about what would what would be some piece of advice that you would give your 19 or 20 year old self based on the experience that you've had you can you can take it as something that that you feel might be generally helpful, but I think the way we recommend it is What would be something that would work for you at that stage? And if you if someone would have told you might have benefited dude, it's actually not funny how I mean at least is the last I mean ever since 2009 Tina started. I've been cursing myself regarding this exact thing that you're asking me is that I feel like I started reading books already too late in life or like consistently reading books late in life. So say I started reading going by the third year of my college. So, I mean I started reading this is the pass a like. I know you're to be honest consistently when I'm striving hard to finish a book. So I feel that if I could go back and just slap my 19 year old self and say that bro books are important like I mean because I was repelling books in a way that just the way I told you like, I mean my entire perception of our part High books was my mom and dad will come to my Aid know that I hid I completely understand where they were coming from because I belong to a middle class family and you know, we don't Have that kind of money and I get it. They were scared that beta Cassie Craig W be financially stable. So it is repelled me from a lot of things which unfortunately was books. So I would really want to go back to myself and say that, you know read things Listen to More podcasts. Like there are these Legends like Tony Robbins. Gary Vee temper is like, I mean just this is the one podcast in a week. That's all I'm asking you so I would really want to go back to my cell phone. You that man because today I read books that will probably published in Lexi 2002. Like I just finished reading this book by Seth Godin call poppycock. So it's just about like I'm making your your own business remarkable. So the entire book is about a fact that you know, they're coming in the herd of cows. You better be a purple girl. So this is the whole thing and I read this book and this was published in 2008 dude kitten a silo game high and it just makes so much sense. Things and you know for somebody like me I am I would call myself an Avid Reader even today because of my work schedule. But like I swear to God I would want to go back and then myself please start reading. So I think there's this one advice. I would want to give it to myself or anybody who is as stupid and like I mean, I don't know like I mean workaholic like me or whatever just make more time for yourself. Yeah, but I think that's about it. Crazy crazy. Thanks, honey. I think the list of podcast personalities has a hundred percent intersection with us. Oh, well good. Listen to the same people and the early 2000s. Yo yo, yo Thanks. Thanks a lot delay. That was that was definitely awesome fun for me. Honestly. It was fun. It was fun. It was a lot of fun. It's essentially reminds me of why I do this podcast in a sense that it lets me talk to people in a way that I would never spoken to like I got home. Like if you would have met at a family function not a family function like us like a society function that we do in Harborview sector 19 in a room, but we would have never spoken like this man. We would have been like How's it going hard? He guess I shall drive and that's the end of it. Like nobody really talks about. What are they working on? What are they passionate about and well really made up. That's that's really I think a big plus for me to like do this podcast and and it really served me. Well at least for this in this episode. So yeah. Thanks again. Thanks again for your time. It's been a long conversation and ghastly and wide-ranging conversation. And I think I think I generally feel that we can still talk a lot more in it says specifically because we didn't really talk a lot about your experiences post post College. I think we did not I think I probably should have paced myself better there, but it's just all so do mine. Maybe we'll have you on have you far too hard, too. Yep. Definitely cool. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming on. An extended bolts old school hip-hop bangers. We you know get his hypnotic. Yeah.
I would go back and slap my 19 year old self and say that, Bro, Books are important! On this episode of the podcast, we are joined by Filmmaker, Beatboxer, Drummer, Nilay Singh! With multiple viral hits under his belt, Nilay, who is currently working as a Director at Schbang Motion Pictures, talks about his journey into music and film-making. He touches on his experiences of being from a middle class family and tackling social, peer and family pressures. Specifically, Nilay also spoke to us about choosing to drop to take another stab at the entrance exams jazz and how that went for him. We spend a lot of time discussing his progress through his Bachelors of Mass Media journey and how he was gigging for five bands during university. Towards the end we talk about his own venture @stopmotionwaale, how that came into being, what's his plan for the near future and more! With a lot of stories with drama and comedy packaged into this episode, this will be so worth your time! Oh and don't forget to check out Nilay mind blowing Instagram and other socials below! Instagram    https://www.instagram.com/atom_singh/ Facebook   https://www.facebook.com/Nilay.Singh21  Team Patil: Short Film  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MzJSNPXd9I Seth Godin: Purple Cow  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/641604.Purple_Cow Gliding friends video  https://www.instagram.com/p/BTb-g0kjb2x/  This gave the intial idea about @stopmotionwaale 