The clock is ticking. We are running out of time evil is rising second by second. We all cry out. Oh, what have you done to our Sheriff? The New York Times is calling it the television event of the Millennium Tick-Tock Tick-Tock Tick-Tock. We are talking HBO's Watchman season 1 episode 1, it's summer and we are running out of ice the AfterBuzz after show starts right now. Tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock. I don't know who thought I would be on on this but this was wow, every word. It was a lot exactly like heaven. We literally have just watched the show and we are all Watchman who watches the Watchmen. I don't know but I'll tell you watch as the after-show The Watchman all of you at home. Thank you so much for being here with us. We are the Watchmen after Chopin. All the way to my left is my main man Ryan part of the dream team is in the building. He's more excited than the people who actually made the show. I'm really excited. I'm the biggest Damon Lindelof fan on Earth The Leftovers is my favorite show of all time. I love lost. So I've been waiting for this show all year could not believe I got to be on a panel with Tehran and I'm just so excited to be here today. And you know what Drew and I are your Watchman Pals. Boom. That's how it works. And if you don't know to my left but to Ryan's right is my personal. Has the arch villain known as Drew is in the building Not Your Hearts Never my arch-nemesis. I'm just here for Regina King. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love her. She's the best my favorite. She was amazing coming off a high school. And yeah, she should win an Oscar for this. I know they don't give Oscars for TV show. There's a thing called. Yeah. Yeah, but not enough for what happened in the show. No, that's fair and we're going to talk about that by we I mean me I am Toronto will be hosting and paneling on this panel. But of course all of you at home. You are as much if not more so part of the panel. So thank you for being here. We are talking HBO's Watchman season 1 episode 1 it's summer and we are running out of ice. We will break down this episode as follows parallel thought noticeable changes in our timeline and the nods that we saw to the Watchman graphic novel and movie that happened. There were a lot of tits. I know that Ryan and Drew are both Watchman graphic novel fans. So it's good to have them here. Nate will be joining us in the following weeks. And I know he knows a lot about the Watchman as well that opening that 1921 Tulsa Riot scene was very strong for an opening scene for show that we didn't know what to expect from Sheriff Crawford and the police department. That was very surreal The Dark Knight. Yes sister night herself Miss Regina King is in the building. So we're going to discuss her 7th Cavalry that is a lot more than three cases and yet They doubled the and plus 1 the raid the raid on that that cattle ranch riding dirty. My man in the wheelchair. Who is that guy? What is it about and how did he get the sheriff in the tree country estate? We saw this Lord. We saw this manner. We saw some servants, but we didn't see much more will talk about that. We have a wonderful special segment buy or sell or Ian by yourself. Yeah, really excited talk about that later. It's just what aspect of the show we are buying and selling. Is there something that we're really We into looking forward to the rest of the season or something that didn't quite work for us. That's by herself for later. That's right some news and gossip predictions and much more. Let's start with some overall thoughts. I'm very interested in knowing how you felt about the show and this very first premiere episode drew. It was a like it was a sensory overload. I think it was a lot to take in a lot to process a lot to watch especially the opening scene with Tulsa that was kind of hard to watch on certain levels, but I'm like really into the show so far. And wasn't as aware of the 1921 Tulsa reference. And when we told you you were just in awe and shock dismayed you were more sensitive to it than everyone else. Oh, I was just really surprised it set the tone for the series right off the bat and it looks like this series is really talking about police brutality and it's making a commentary on that through superheroes wearing masks through police officers wearing masks. It was a lot to unpack like it. Damon Lindelof pilot usually is so I'm really excited to dive into it. But um, yeah just that opening sequence really setting the tone on what this show is really talking about with certain topics. Were you were you immediately a fan I am a huge fan Damon Lindelof. So I they kind of have actually, you know, his name was enamored with with the fact that they're taking on this really Instead of topic through through Watchman and I think just facing it head-on with that sequence and you're saying the historical accuracy. I mean Watchman in and of itself this universe this alternate timeline changes a few things in history. Like we went we won the Vietnam War Richard Nixon was President for a lot longer and they're a Robert Redford is president for a lot longer and we're going to get into all of that when we get into the alternate lifestyle is very satisfied. I'm glad because I was a big fan immediately once the tone was set with this. Reference and when we're watching I didn't know what to expect but once the tone was set with this Tulsa and the take this fresh take on Watchman where we're not explaining what happened. We will catch you up which they did. So well through the subtle nuances and plot and story line. They did not give us a narrative but more an idea a concept of a world were thrown into immediately and we're catching on as all of us do With the sensory overload as Drew put it so eloquently we're just catching on to this story in this world and it's fascinating and it is an ambering and it drew me in immediately. I enjoyed from cinematically speaking. It was amazing. I think the writing was extremely well done. Now, this is something I wasn't expecting the diversity on the show, which could be done sure on purpose, but it was skillfully done. And I was I was just captured by how diverse and the portrayal of this world and it gave me a sense of there is a definite Dynamic and dichotomy between our world and theirs and that's why I wanted to start with that parallel thought and discuss the similarities. Of course, we saw with our roads, but those subtle differences Robert Redford being president and Vietnam being a state what were other parallels that you saw between either? World we live in now and the timeline and nods to the Watchman the graphic novel and or movie Ryan pointed out an owl cup Mmm Yeah now and I'll mug obviously referencing night owl and they also had the owl machine that the ship Al thinks the night owl ship. Well, I thought you know with with Night Owl speaking of that. It looks like Regina Kings character sister and I was very inspired by that character because the OG Night Owl was also a police officer by day. Vigilante by night in that looks that's similar to her character, but she is a retired police officer still affiliated with the police, which I thought was really interesting. We have a lot of new characters that weren't in this graphic novel and I think that that's a really interesting way to just pursue this this story. I'm really I was really surprised. That's all thinking place in Oklahoma. I didn't expect that because from that opening scene. Okay, I guess the Watchmen are now all just Central located in Oklahoma and So I thought that was really fascinating. I mean, you mentioned Robert Redford. Obviously, I think that's taking the place of Ronald Reagan and not Reaganomics but it was it Redford reporter relations, which is a form of reparations and I'm assuming that's why we got the nod to such strong diversity. And of course, we also got the nod to racism when someone said is to Regina's character is that how you were able to to Angela is that how you were able to get your bakery? Yeah, I mean and just more stuff with police. I mean, did you notice the whole opening sequence after the Tulsa Ryan with pulling the car over there's all these unique rules put in place where they need permission to get their guns and has to be released remotely from a station. They put masks over the police officers faces, too. I guess hide their identities and I they reference something that happened three White Knight The White Knight, which I think we're going to learn more about moving forward. Did you pick up on any of that Drew? Yeah. I thought you said you thought it was Weirder than Oklahoma. I think it was actually really smart for it to be in Oklahoma because even if you think like in our world politics wise like Mid-America MidWest America was like kind of the focal point of you know, everyone forgets about us whatever so I thought it was interesting to have Oklahoma be the spot because that's you know, I forget about Oklahoma every day. I forgot it was a state until they mentioned. Well, it has its song it has a song and Don Johnson's sang it very well, but what about references to similarities with our world, but But subtle differences we saw the flag was also different the flag have the stripes but there was a circle with stars in it and there were seem to be more stars possibly. I mean, obviously we know Vietnam is also a state so there could be other places. We also Ryan mentioned the laws for police engagement. We saw that there were certain questions that were brought up specifically that they had to answer Panda said probability of drugs and/or alcohol. Probability of weapons over all perceived threats. These are things that we don't have in place today or at least we don't see them in place on every day. Yeah at all. It was it was interesting to watch just because one it's the race flip of it being a white guy pulled over for what looks like a random traffic stop and then really look at you did anything wrong to get pulled over and then for him to kind of have the same behavior as we've seen like in our world where it's like put your hands on the wheel. I mean, I'm sure you were taught very young put your hands on the wheels don't talk back. Back, yes, sir. No, sir. I'm gonna you know directing what you're going to do before you do it. It was really interesting to watch all of that and then to see them do the process of having to ask for you know, was there alcohol where their drugs and seeing how it's kind of ridiculous that you should have to go through every single step but there has to be significant release for that just for the release, but there should be I think they're implying like there should be some middle ground for it. We're sorry. We're all that. There's clearly not a lot of thought into Is pulling your gun at times and it's very unfortunate when we see that that that was a huge aspect in the differences of our timeline. As far as nods to the Watchman. We saw in my eyes. I noticed the song Unforgettable. I noticed that when Don Johnson's character Sheriff Crawford was strung up. We saw the drip of blood end up on his sheriff badge, which was a nod to the comedian of course, which is the which is actually The Tell-Tale sign of the Watchman. So, So we're there any other graphic novel or movie mentions and nods that I might have missed. Well, I mean everything with the Rorschach mask one thing spoilers. If you haven't read the graphic novel or seen the movie at the end of this tale Rorschach has a journal about this'll I essentially they're telling the world in that this monster that or this explosion in the movie It's supposedly movie monster in the book that takes out half of New York City which basically halts the Cold War. And results in everyone all sides working together to defeat this other being that was a facade and Isaac nausea many as dr. Manhattan kills Rorschach in attempt for him to not spread that truth because that truth could actually harm the world more than a help it but he put it in a journal and he mailed it to a newspaper outlet and it was always up in the air. That was a big Cliffhanger. Like did they publish it? Did they not so it's interesting to see now this white supremacist group using the Rorschach mask as they're basically like their KKK hoods and make their masculine that way so I'm curious to see if that's revealed that if that story got published if that's the reason that maybe plays into this white supremacist group and just connecting those dots but that mask for sure is a reference to Rorschach and one other one that I noticed was that you know, they show a few agree really quick frames of dr. Manhattan on Mars. So I guess he's still on Mars because he goes to Mars at the end of the movie and Look and as far as the journal while we don't know if it was published or not. We do know they directly reference it because the Clause is that were in the journal are direct statements that the 7th Cavalry uses and in their Soliloquy to the masses. So they use those references specifically and those were straight out of the journal and wow. That's how we know that so if you guys at home know any parallel thoughts or any Nods to The Graphic novel or movie. We'd love to hear them the more the merrier. Send us. Let us know your comments below we of course love hearing from you. Yes, and guys, please. Thank you for me because the ESPN2 TV talk like and comment on this video and go on iTunes give us a five star review. It means the world to us. Thank you again for watching our show. We love interacting with you. So comment send us your thoughts tweet at us. Thanks for watching. We are going to be the number one Watch Might after show. That's for sure. Yes. I promise you that. So make sure to check this out. We have drew on the Anna laughter all the opening the 1921 Tulsa Riot. Mmm. What were your thoughts on that Scene It was one it's crazy that they even brought it up because that's something I don't think anyone ever. I learned about that story from my grandparents. I didn't learn about that in school. So just for it to even be acknowledged that I thought was crazy but there are a lot of scenes that were really hard to watch it and there's a scene where a little boy or little girls holding a dead baby and it's like, okay cool. Where we're going there first like 15 seconds into this. We're just going to we're going to go for it full full fledged. It's a heavy sequence. Yeah, it's interesting you're saying you weren't about it from your grandparents because I never learned about that in school. And even when that was happening at the end of the sequence you said? Oh, that's the bomb when a plane was flying over. I didn't know that that was there was a bombing. Well when they were since 1921 Tulsa you immediately I knew it was a reference to the riots. This is the biggest it's noted as the biggest race riot in United States history this Is for layman's term the bombing of Black Wall Street. There was a section in Tulsa Oklahoma called Greenwood, which was the most affluent black community in the country, especially at the time where it actually at times rivaled what we would consider mainstream also White America. So it was a huge threat and in Oklahoma at the time being part of the South being the temperament and the social climate of the 1920s going. Into what would later, of course be a big fall on Wall Street itself. It created a lot of tension between white and black America, especially in the South and it was a right now numbers estimate a hundred to three hundred people African-Americans murdered six thousand people hospitalized and over 10,000 people affected with their with their homes socioeconomically. This was the tragedy to the black community. And the black community honestly in that manner has never ever ever ever grouped together in that way again, and it's a detriment to what we see is American history. It's in that that character the the child who you know, his parents are just really trying to get him out of there alive and they believe a note saying, you know protect this boy at all costs at the end of this episode. We see the old man who's in the wheelchair who made one brief appearance. Earlier when Regina was just going into her office or her Baker Bakery and adhere the Vietnamese bakery. You're Vietnamese bakery and he makes a joke about hey, do you think I could lift 200 pounds what she does because it's Don Johnson at the end and we're going to in my opinion. I'm going to assume that that character who we from the trailer for the for the rest of the season recognizes Will Reeves a hundred and five years old. I'm going to assume it's the little boy from the beginning of the movie. I'm also going to assume that Don Johnson's family. Had something to do with what the riots and the bombing from the picture that we saw and I'm going to run with that especially a lot more in predictions. Yes, that's where I'm going to go with but what were your thoughts as someone who wasn't aware of the Tulsa riots? I mean to see this in the beginning of Watchmen just the very first frames it speaks on just how important you know stories like this and how a medium like TV and a graphic novel can really inform a lot of people I think think you know using this show as an outlet to talk about these topics is really incredible and and brave and some aspects and I mean I am now I feel like way more informed about the topic just from watching it in this show and I think it's really interesting that that's going to be a through line through the series that they're even mentions of this Rorschach cult or a white supremacist group using or making a bomb again in 2019 in this timeline, so it's an interesting through Fine, I think they're going to be referring to it throughout the entire rest of the season Damon Lindelof. Does this will obvious shows drink drink in the in the leftovers the first scene of each season had some kind of threw my it was from the past. It's a historical referenced Oracle reference from way back when and it would have little themes throughout the entire season. So I think this was doing here. Well, we get a lot of reference and I'm glad you bring up the fact that it is a teaching moment because we get a lot of social commentary. This brutality state of society peace racial relations tensions. Of course, we also get the police department share of Crawford steps in what were your thoughts on Sheriff Crawford and those scenes that we saw from how the police conducted itself. There is a scene with the seven Calvert like when the seven Calabrese doing their video or whatever and the police are watching it was really creepy because the way they were set up in the way to please their setup was very And it just me. I don't know made me feel really eerie. And I also don't really trust judged that much. I mean I know he's dead now, but the whole time I was like, I don't know if I try I want to like you but I don't think I trust you at all interesting not trusting Judd like police in general, but there's just there's a lack of trust across the country and in this show both in real life and in this this series, so I think that's what's really fascinating about Regina Kings character having been a cop and now she's also this vigilante Siri response to Regina King now in Syria by who's watching The Watchmen series watching the watching listening to us all the time. All the time note in was right go on. Well, yes. I think that that lack of trust in officer Crawford is very Justified and it's good. It's interesting that now for the rest of the season from that trailer we're going to be maybe figuring his death will say that for predictions. But yeah, I definitely didn't fully trust him to I mean, he made a huge announcement. You say hey, I'm gonna let you guys use your guns which we know in this this period in this version of 2019. They need special permission and he did like a vote like just unanimous. Yes. Okay, you can all use your guns, you know use automatic before yeah article for interestingly enough. I actually liked share of Crawford. I enjoyed his character. I was surprised to see him die at the beginning of the episode very reminiscent of the comedian, of course now, Now when it comes to share of Crawford and the police department watching the police department and seeing what could be interpreted in some ways as a vigilante State and or a police state was very frightening in the social commentary aspect. I personally saw that dynamic as you mentioned Drew regarding the Rorschach 7th Calvary and they're set up versus the police department set up. We see the masks covering their face, which is for the protection. I'm Not one of the mm bashed people that say we cannot trust all police officers. Unfortunately a few bad police officers. Give all the good police officers in the hard-working men and women in the service a bad name and it's unfortunate and this scenario. We see the life-and-death situation. The police officers are placed in in the beginning we get Tulsa and then right after that we get a stopped by a black police officer on a white civilian seemingly civilian and the black police officer is killed black people just can't catch a break might not be killed. Yeah. Well he woke up Charles Sutton is alive, but he as a police officer is dead. I'm so sorry. They're hiding his identity there that was then temporary. And so to me it was once again social commentary at its best major and we flip it that Police Department scary or not. Scary. Yes or no. I think scary even pandas reaction the to you're making a huge mistake. You can do this. They seemed way to trigger happy for me to feel comfortable with them all getting permission to use. That's because we're using we're putting them in the scope of our world. Now. I want to know in the comments below. Let's take a poll the police department in Watchmen their actions necessary or unnecessary. Do we justify the actions of the sheriff Crawford Police Department? I mean even even got to see they have a lot of quote-unquote supers on their side, even it doesn't blink Nelson's character. I believe it little is looking glass. Look his interrogation scene with the suppose. We had with the supposed white supremacist was kind of horrifying just playing random images in the background asking questions to throw them off checking out his if his pupils are dilated. I mean, they're gonna definitely going what's haunama Bay is very horrifying Ryan. Yes, that's the thing. Unfortunately. These tactics are used today. We just don't see them and hopefully they don't happen on American soil, but it shouldn't be happening anyone where in the world especially from the United States of America as we consider ourselves the leaders of Justice once again, and not to social social commentary by the show. What about sister night? So we get a bunch of the supers and I know Ryan you are under the impression that she is retired and now a vigilante but I believe That she is part of the police department that supers have now been absolved by the police department because they're working together something that is very different than Watchman, right? That's my personal belief. What were your opinions on sister night Regina? I'm she's the mother. I never knew I had she's the friend. I've always needed. No, I was up. First of all, I'm already like give her an Emmy but sister and I don't like as the character. Is badass for a lot of reasons one I think is really cool to see someone who doesn't pass the paper bag test be put on the show and being a badass role and it not turned into the bitter angry black woman, but her like her moodiness or whatever be used as part of like her power. I think that's really cool paper bag test, of course referring to her skin color being darker than the average pay ya back, which is most black women on TV look like me and that's not an accurate representation of black women. For some it is but it's not I mean, we're a spectrum so it's cool to see someone like Regina King on there and not be the bitter black woman Trope and it'd be like her a lot of to have feelings and it be still rooted in strength rather than her being bitter and her being badass and you know being kind of like the backbone for Chief and for everyone it's cool to see I really appreciate that also for all the people at home that will be starting the race commentating trolling. Remember, these are tropes that are brought up in the show itself. So don't hate The Messengers hate the message in that means don't watch Watchman. But then again, you're going to be missing out on what is these this amazing series that will be the Watchman Ryan such a good point Drew brought up. I mean Dame Again drink one Damon Lindelof huge fan of Regina King and she's one of the best actresses working today from if Beale Street could talk to she was in the leftovers and it's an incredible character as well. She elevates every role that she is casting. In and yeah, she's a complete badass in this this tonight is awesome. What awesome lead character to follow through the series and and see this world through her eyes. Just the whole sequence of her suiting up going to that junkyard dragging the guy out saying I could smell white supremacist. What a badass leech. Wow. Yes. She is really curly cool. And I think it's going to be really fascinating to sit to follow her character progress throughout and even at the end there she just gets that All suits up has a shotgun in her bed what time and the bedroom just write one up just in case so cool and then just has one under the fireplace. If anyone even pulls up to our street. Don't let them get to the porch. I was like, wow, she is awesome Roll of Thunder Hear My Cry. I didn't know who we getting it. Regina King was before this show. I really know of course I do. Oh really? This is my table. No, no, Tulsa Riot. No, of course I do merge Inna King Regina King might have been your mother. This was my bae that I love. I love me some Regina King. I've always loved Regina King. Okay. I've always loved Regina King. So it's great to see her be this strong amazing woman period who is handling situations and something in her personal life the concept of her adopting these white children, very interesting. It's we often see in the White savior show the other other way market rope is white family adopts black child saves black child a lot Bland Blindside. However in this we see a truly adoring family, this is a mother and a father. She's married to Cal and they have three children and it's a wonderful family and his career day and it's career day and we see her go and discuss her bakery business and on top of that her. retirement story rates from White Knight thoughts on that retirement story I think everyone has that family member who tells too much about their past around children and you're like chill chill chill chill, but I thought it was really amusing scene and I like the hair. So I'm Topher wasn't playing games about his mama. Yeah, and I mean what a weird kid in the background just like hey was that Redford perforations or whatever lies like shut up guy. I don't even know how he knows about all that. Like that's probably Fair seven years old. That's how it starts. Geez. Just like speaking. How'd you pay for that Bakery? Like come on guy? Like, I don't know. But yeah, I mean interesting story. I does it sounds like you know, the bakery is not up and running quite yet. And I think that's a good cover for her her vigilante Story. I mean, we all every Puro has one. So I think that that's that's a really fascinating one. I hope that I want to try to predicting whether or not that Bakery gets up and running by the end of the season. I don't know it is clearly a front we get the Little Bighorn text, which she's wondering why it hasn't called me for Little Big Horn, of course referring specifically to Custer's Last Stand and the 7th Cavalry which we realize the 7th Cavalry are the group of the bad guys, or are they but yes they are so, you know, you know, what's interesting when it comes to the Cavalry. I don't know if I I disagree with their ideology and not with their racism and unfortunately with them we cannot separate the two hmm. Remember they're based on. What we understand no, simply knowing the truth. They are a white supremacy version of Occupy Wall Street. They are a white supremacy version of Snowden. So unfortunately, they are attached to white supremacy, but their Baseline principal, I don't know it might not be so bad. It's a fascinating point because it's the pursuit of freedom and knowing them freedom, but at the same time it's all based on this ideology. That's not free whatsoever. And is really horrible, but it makes me think of because you said like freedom and Truth are there it kind of makes me think of the saying that's like if ever a lot of people or white supremacy is rooted in depression because if there was a quality like if there was actually a quality you like you don't feel it's free because it's you have to change your ways because like obviously like in this timeline as well. So the concept is of course that to the privileged equality feels Compression that's what it is. Thank you. Thank you very much. That's the same but I feel like are they looking for the truth? Or do they not like the truth? Because it doesn't benefit them or are they simply Anarchist who sent we get this nod to in Batman The Dark Knight where there are simply people who just want to see the world burn right are they ideologists or are they anarchists with an intent to destroy Civil Society? Also there no one and everyone in there that was in their speech in that video, but we get some reveals of certain police officers or other characters that might be closeted Rorschach white supremacists, if that's what we're calling on the 7th Cavalry closet several 7th Cavalry and I mean back going just back to another comparison of the leftovers there that that show explored Colts a lot with am the guilty Remnant and it was this whole idea that you know, you never really know what someone truly believes and they could be like a closet. Revenant a closet 7th Cavalry, so I bet we do get some reveals down the line for all we know I don't think Don Johnson was one of them but he has this troubled past where maybe some of these ideologies at the 7th Cavalry believes in fall in line with his beliefs and his past. My sentiment regarding the civil case 7 Cavalry is in the time where terrorism and mass shooting is so populous. This is definitely a nod to all of the above the disgruntled white male. We see this of course with the movie Joker and we see a parallel with the movie Joker which is there is a person who ignites this flame and now we can't put it out in the Joker movie. We see a bunch of jokers obviously abusing and parading in the streets here with the rorschach's 7th Cavalry. They're all wearing a similar mask, so Sure, we'll find out much more about that a great comparison the raid on that cattle ranch. That's part of how those poor cattle cows. Wow. Wow Bessie. I'm sure there was a there was a vegan watching who just died on the inside watching that let's let's assume that of course. No animals were actually harmed in the making of the show. I didn't see what did you think about that scene? Mean in terms of action. I mean that was an incredible action scene another reason to Just Praise Regina King as sister night just a really awesome action seen the smoke the the gun and the this plane that almost gets away which they I thought they were looking at them through a what is it called to you UAV where they can just see the heat signatures of the people from the sky, but no they were in the owl ship and they immediately just like yep the right under you and they swoop in flame. It and then they crash land and everyone's all right kind of a fun scene to relieve the tension when reactor they crash they pop out and they're just starting to laugh. Like wow, that was crazy. And Chef Crawford has has sister night. Are you? All right? Yeah. I normally don't like scenes where it's like super dark like that but for some reason how they I guess like how they filmed it looked really cool and it again kind of gave me the whole sensory overload thing, but I felt like very excited and kind of anxious because I was like, I don't really know what's going on. I just see bit Of cows it split like it was just a lot to take in but I do like how they kind of like relieved all the anxiety by having him pop out and like make the joke right, by the way that artillery that they used that's to bring down aircraft carriers. I just want you to know that they were using some wild wild weapons lot of guns. We also see that concept with the synthetic lithium batteries, which I'm sure we'll find out more. What they're trying to make seems like a cancer bomb or a bomb of some type very dangerous riding dirty. We get this William Rees character. What the wheelchair that was quite an ending quite an ending. Yeah. What did you think? Well when he said that when he said the 200-pound thing in the beginning I already was like Beyond just throw it in. Yeah, you don't just like Shadow. Yeah. I was like, what's about to happen here? What's going on? Like he already gave me, you know, he made me very sad. Us I didn't realize he was like the kid from the beginning though. I felt I was waiting for I thought he might I think so. I don't we don't know. I think she had the pain. That's what I can't believe so he had to lean notice that yeah the pages that keep those boys speakers for so I'm assuming I think the yeah, we haven't gotten that reveal yet. We haven't gotten that reveal yet, but it was it was great to see that and of course then we get this separates total seen at this country a state where the master of this state rose up. We meet Alphonse. Mr. Cruz mrs. Cruikshank. Mr. Phillips, and the watchmaker son is a play. Who is this guy Ozymandias? I mean, yes, we're assuming we're hoping that's the concept what's really fascinating about that, you know, his name is vitol also known as I am and as a superhero name, there's an earlier shot in the show where someone just read a newspaper and it says Vite is dead. Exactly. So he might be in hiding secretly alive. We know you know, he's he's a pure role to play in the graphic novel and film where he is the reason for essentially saving, but also killing a lot of mankind. So he's gonna have a huge role to play especially from that trailer. We saw the end. But yeah, what an odd sequence with two servants just talking very proper and giving him a horseshoe to Cut the Cake and he just eats one bite of the cake and doesn't seem to like it really and pushes it like I was really confused. I thought was a dream sequence for a second or two. I've been maybe that was real that's that's what I love about the show Thro thrust you in there instead of over-explaining you will find out out it trust in the show. It's all his shows trust you in the show is what it's all about. I'm so glad we're getting to that because buy or sell let's get into that segment higher cell. Yes the segment where there's an aspect to show whether you like it you buy and if you don't like it, you sell it. I am buying cattle as a shield against Heavy Artillery. That was crazy. I mean a she was it just kept chipping away on the side of the ribs and proved to be pretty awesome cover for her. So I'm definitely buying that while I am selling. The whole we're going back to Ozymandias. I'm selling this whole notion of I think that that was a dream sequence. There's no way that was real life. I'm selling if that was real life. What an awkward back and forth. You know, Damon Lindelof drink one is making you ask more questions and answering them and I have a ton of questions about that sequence Drew. Okay. I am buying I'm buying as sister night just in general Shang. I'm just upset like I'm legitimately. He obsessively we're on board. I'm already I'm are you like cool comic on 20/20? What's up? I'm in there like swimwear. I'm selling the cows. I saw my God that was too much for me. That was too much. I was like, this is just what they do. They can't buy it. I can't it was I was like, oh, I'm not eating red meat for a while. I am selling the ideas of cows this well, I do not believe those cows would be able to stop that Heavy Artillery simply because it Says armored trucks so it would go through those cows like butter through knives. Now. I enjoyed the scene immensely. It's a great tone Setter. Yeah, you like the I enjoyed it. However, when you give a show and I like this new new nod that superhero shows are more realistic than ever then possibly be more realistic. Okay. No one got shot. Someone's getting shot. Right someone's getting shot in that situation. What? I am buying what I am buying is the show over all this show. I am a huge fan immediately. I cannot wait till next week. This looks like possibly the best show on television. I'm so glad that DC gave this one to HBO so it can be done. Right as I'm watching shows like the Titans and of course the the Epic failed swamp thing that happened and Doom Patrol, all of those shows were great, and I thought you couldn't do it. better right and then Watchman comes along and literally Literally, it just made me know that the bar has been taken up several several notches. So I am buying Watchman. I'm also possibly selling that sludge that fell from the skies lunch. We don't know what that one. You know what it looked like baby squid, but let's get into some news and gossip. Shall we maybe we can find something out news and gossip and news and gossip. Okay. Well Damon Lindelof drink again. Talk to Instagram this morning basically doing an open letter five pages to fans of the graphic novel Watchman just brief summarize summarization. He was just saying he was offered the show three times over the past 10 years. He always declined that Alan Moore the writer never wanted to be adapted in the first place and W be called him up basically saying hey, we're moving on with or without you and he hopped on the opportunity. Also. He Loki really wanted to do it. He had a great beautiful excerpt about how his father showed this him at a very young age, which Might not be okay, but he said it was really awesome because it developed his sense of Storytelling from here and here out Washington deals with a lot of flashbacks flash-forwards what she implements an all of his shows with this nonlinear format for the storytelling and at the end he talks about when his dad was on his dying deathbed how they were still quoting Washburn. He was thanking him for that Series so really fascinating and he just importance that the fans of Watchmen take a chance, but he'll understand if they don't like it and you know back to buy or sell I'm buying the show and I'm buying this panel Drew and dude. I don't force this show. I will say that reading that excerpt was excellent. It was an excellent read and it is reminiscent of dr. Manhattan's origin where it's told in nonlinear format. It reminded me exactly of dr. Manhattan. So possibly Damian sees himself as the blue man. Let's get into some predictions now your AfterBuzz TV One was do I need Drew? Okay. I need Drew to give me some predictions all the way through. I think that Angela is somehow related to the baby that little boy a baby the the William Reeves character that we're assuming is the boy. Yeah holds in his arm. Yeah because I think that was a baby girl in the beginning it look like a bit like coming out with babies. You can never tell. Yeah, so I think she's somehow related. To that may be interesting. Not the Baby the rapper bring the baby in the show. Yeah. Well, I wanted to bring up this trailer. We got after the credits. Usually they give a sneak peek at next week's show. This was a trailer for the rest of the season, which is very unusual. So tongue to predict off of that. I love that and prediction Drew I'm going with I think that Ozymandias is going to try to rehash his plan from the graphic novel and movie. It was to wipe out a large portion of mankind to save all mankind similar to Thanos Thanos manifest and everyone goes for and I mean, yeah, there's no way they just introduced him and have him doing random sequences with his to butlers. I there's got to be an overall Arc Butler's animated. Let's speed differential here. Thank you. Anna Mae what? I thought that was nice anyway, but yeah, so and also I'm predicting that we get a cameo from Robert Redford 30 years in office and It's still a little unclear if he's still in office right now. I hope he is and I hope we see him retired from acting I bet he came out of retirement for this show. I predict that we will get a An Origin story to how the Vigilantes and the police combined. We're going to get a lot more understanding of what this white knight was this going to play a huge part and the show and I think 7th Cavalry is going to be fielded by somebody who's leading them who we will not be suspecting. 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Afterbuzz hosts Tehran Von Ghasri @IAmTehran - Drew Jones @OKDrewJ - Ryan Nilsen @RyanNilsen_ discuss HBO's Watchmen - Season 1 - Episode 1 - "Its Summer and we are Running Out of Ice." Discussion includes Regina King as Sister Night, Don Johnson as Sheriff Jud Crawford, and Jeremy Irons as Ozzymandias. Discussions also inlcude the Seventh Kalvary, Tulsa 1921, Rorshach, Special Segment: Buy or Sell, News & Gossip, predictions, and more. Stay Tuned! The doomsday clock draws nearer. Everything Begins. Nothing Ever Ends. Who watches the Watchmen? Join us for THE WATCHMEN AFTERBUZZ TV AFTER SHOW PODCAST as every single week, we'll be here discussing HBO's adaptation of the world famous graphic novel of the same name. From comic history knowledge to topical discussion on the largely divisive subjects the show covers, we'll be here breaking it down. Subscribe and comment to stay up to date with all things HBO's Watchmen. ABOUT Watchmen: "Watchmen takes place in an alternative, contemporary reality in the United States, in which masked vigilantes became outlawed due to their violent methods. Despite this, some gather around in order to start a revolution while others are out to stop it before it is too late, as a greater question rises above them all; who watches the Watchmen?" 