I'm Ryan Yates and you listen to Forest find cast in North America.So we are delighted on this Forest fantast special stoppage-time episode to welcome Paul Taylor to the show better known as Tails formerly with the knotting and post for a quarter of a century. If you can believe it now with the athletic welcome to the show Paul. Glad to be here. Yeah, well, we're delighted to have you on we've been we've been trying to organize this for a while. Now if that Paul and I started talking about when Forrest last played Derby not the most recent game, but the one before that and we were trying to decide whether record pre or post that match schedules didn't quite work out and so for us to play Dhabi again since and we'll talk about that here during this conversation pool, but thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it Paul. I mentioned to you off Mike. That's what I'm not able to watch Forest online obviously being here in the United States. Sometimes that can be a bit challenging not always able to watch the games live. So instead have to follow them on Twitter. My preference is to follow your feed on Twitter than it is to follow the club's. How about that? That's really good. I'm glad to hear somebody does and I also mentioned to you as well. I think most of our listeners would agree. You probably that you have the second best job as it relates to Nottingham Forest. The first best of course would be pulling on the Garibaldi and taken to the field there at the city ground but to be so close to the team to be following the team that must be something that I mean it does it still give you a buzz Paul after all these years don't called. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, I recognize that I'm a hugely fortunate position and you know sometimes on Twitter somebody will say to you that the or opinions not valid because you get paid to watch for is what poor what He's like I fully embracing fully realize how fortunate we are to get have a job working in the media getting paid to you know, do what we've been doing on a Saturday afternoon. Anyway watching watching a game of football at a great place like the city ground or around the championship, you know any money for something I probably would pay to do. Otherwise, it's great. It's fantastic and there's not a day that goes by where you don't you don't feel fortunate to be in the position that you're in to be able to write about football and write about the sport that you love. It's it's a boy Great job. It's just fantastic Every Day brings. You you something new Germany. It's great. Now Paul as I mentioned in the intro. Most of our listeners would know you from your time at the Nottingham post again to say a quarter of a century. It sounds ridiculous, but I'm sure the time flew by obviously that's it's been a change in your life recently made a pretty significant change leaving the post and moving over to the athletic you boy. They seem to be gathering traction at a clip. I mean, they are everywhere right now. Was wishful thinking behind the move pretty straightforward really it's just, you know, a new challenge. I want I would never say that anything's wrong or anything is bad or that people would take in the wrong direction in the media. But the athletic that we are taking a very different path where we're hoping that quality journalism and really getting our teeth into things in depth and with lots of different voices in it and perhaps looking at things from a different angle to the way. Other people my giving it some real time and effort and you know really doing your background on every article you do and giving it some love if you like will persuade people that just paying a small amount of money for a subscription is worthwhile for for what we hope is good journalism and from my point of view, if if you're enjoying what you're writing and I think it shows in what the end product ends up being. I think it comes through if you if you've got a real passion for what you're delivering and a real passion for the subject. Mattern and you've got the time to go and talk to people then I think the end product ends up being much much better. I'd never say a bad word about the poster talks. I was there for 25 years ago. Absolutely. Fantastic. I'm I'm grateful for the chance. They gave me and I've got some great great memories from my time there and so much change from from from the first days when I was there and in the old former Street officers that are now the Corner House in Nottingham a big retail center with the other dish huge office the post. Literally 400 people working there and that the presses were under in the basement of the building and when the pressure started the whole building Shook and they go down and get a copy of a copy of the paper and it just fantastic, you know, knowing that what you'd written was going to be impressed on in print within minutes and there was a certain Nostalgia to that but the whole industry is changing now, it's all about the internet and you know, the priorities are different but I think going to the athletic now is give me an opportunity to get back. early days at the post when really took pride in what you did and really get excited when you saw saw your name in print now now you kind of take a sense of pride in in what we're producing at the athletic when you when you see your name at the top of the article that you've you've put a bit of love and a bit of care and attention into trying to make it as good as it possibly can be hopefully, yeah, it's interesting that you talk about, you know, the good old days in the days of manual typewriters and You don't know if our that that far back. Oh, come on now. Come on. Now. I remember using those at school. Don't be coy. The pope was only with I think the first newspaper the country to to use computers. Wow. Yes. There's a small time to find that will be long ago. When I when I went there that you know, it was already computerized in the days of somebody having a fag and slaving over a tight writer William. That was the image I had of you with your little Fedora on you. Slip of paper tucked in the band puffing away on your Woodbine or yammering away furiously on the manual keyboard there. Anyway, congratulations on your new gig pool and certainly I enjoyed reading many of the pieces that you've written. I reached out to you about the piece you wrote particular regarding the Forest Academy, which is just thought was outstanding. So I certainly would encourage our listeners if nothing else to go check out that piece. It was really really good. The work that that sums up what I'm talking about, but there was one of the most enjoyable things I've written in years. It was it was brilliant Forest give us unbelievable access to go and talk to people in the academy to go Brazil. I've known you a long time since he was not scouting manager briefly, you know, Joe walls when you get time to sit down with someone like Joe Worrell who on the face of it seems like you you might think is your average young footballers just bothered about cars or or chasing women or whatever but he is and it is really more is quite an intelligent. And fellow and quite a deep thinker and spending a bit of time with images talking to him in there. He was so passionate about the path. He's taken and what that Academy gave to him. It. It just makes you realize that, you know, not not every footballer take for granted the position. They're in I think some some of them genuinely do like me realize that they're very fortunate to be doing the job that they get to do. Yes, they're very well paid for it. Yes, they, you know, get all the accoutrements that come with being A professional football and money adulation fangs would agree nice cars big houses and stuff, but I think he loves it every day of the week when he goes out to train and gets to play football on a Saturday afternoon and fair play to him for that. I think it comes across when you talk to him. He's a lovely ladies, you know, I really hope he continues on the trajector ejector. He's on because he seems to be heading heading to go places with his career. It's funny. I ever have a real affection for fierce play by called Fierce players play. It really play with a heart on their sleeve and it just you know will run through a brick wall for year people like Stuart Pearce briefly, of course, Rory Keen, but the thing you get with were always you get that but you also you plays with a smile on his face. I mean it needs he seems like he is accessible. It seems like it really is a nice lad and you didn't often see Stuart Pearce or Roy Keane crack a smile, but we were all you get you get that side of his personality to and that certainly comes through in the article. He said he talks very passionately about the parties on with forest and And his love for the team. So again, I would encourage our listeners to check that out speaking of not your forest and feeling good. Obviously, we're at here in North America. So we don't have the benefit of being in the community pool. We don't we don't get the benefit of the connect directly engaging with all that's going on in the city right now that's forest related, but it feels to us from this side of the pond like it really is a sincere feel good Factor right now around not in forest and around some of what this new Gee, ma doing at the club obviously with your with the with Forza Garibaldi coming onto the scene and everything that they've been doing over the last couple of years for us to bring get some really positive national. Press not just local press but on the national scene as well. What do you think? That is Paul? What do you think's happening in the city right now? And how do you feel this new regime this new leadership at different from those that went before and how are they influencing what's going on? Welcome, it does come from the top. You know, we I was fortunate enough to spend some time in in Greece this summer in Athens. When when Forrest played in pi cos that's right. Yeah, they the people out there was so friendly like the Olympia cost media people and all the staff Olympiacos to be fair, but they were really kind and really proud in the way that they kind of took us on tours of the city and showed us all the facilities that they've got there and buy that Maybe the facilities our incredible to training down was awesome. The main stadium was just breathtaking and but beyond that they've got like humble centers. They Olympiacos as a club in an institution really form the heartbeat of the community. They're everywhere every corner you turn is a libguide cost building of some description. There's some kind of sporting venue or offices. They've got some really nice officers down by the harbor side in close to piraeus that Amongst the prettiest football officers, you'll have to see but is more about the club being at the heart of the community every day. They they feed literally thousands of homeless people through the club. Literally a thousand two thousand people a couple of times a day get fed might buy the club more Marin a kiss himself has overseen the Redevelopment of every school in the Athens area that's close to the club paid for the clubs for the schools to To you know, but whatever be decorated being rebuilt or whatever everything that everything that olympiakos stands for is about being part of the community and they tried to do the same thing and not going in. You can see it. He went to the launch of the the latest launch of the next phase of the the stadium Redevelopment at the city ground last night. And again everything they talked about a lot of it was about the community about how not only will the newsstand give the players the best possible. Preparation for a football match give fans the best surroundings to watch the games from but more than that or non match days. It'll be used for Community projects for the schools to come in and take part in various schemes. They've got four for so many wide-reaching things that the club want to do to make sure that their their tentacles reach out into the community and make the club whether you like football or not. They make the club Central to the community of West Bridge within broader Nottingham as well. And I think that's the ethos that Everything is built on it Forest. It's about family. It's about Community. It's about about togetherness. And I think that's brilliant. You know, it's something that's important to Marry Marcus and their thought him being the big boss. It's important to everybody else beneath him as well and most of the things that the club seem to have done since he's been the majority owner of being centered around that I think it's brilliant and I think that is the heart. Is it the heart of this this kind of spirit, you know this positivity. That's the the surrounding Forest the minute there's other things in it as well. Like, you know, Sabrina meucci's coming in and absolutely brilliantly since he's taken over as head coach. He's in still the team spirit that's not been there for a while but everything everything comes from the top top downwards and I think fans are buying into having, you know, the prospect of a revamp City ground somewhere that they can take pride in and you know, perhaps not just look back to their brilliant history, but have something to look forward to in the future as well. Yeah, it is remarkable that much of what this new leadership have done much of what everyone associated with the club have been doing this last year 18 months or so. I want to say everything he touches turns to Gold that's a little flippant and it you know, there was a lot of hard work that goes into everything that's happening both on and off the pitch. But you know Lucchese are really interesting case study in that put you on the spot here Paul. Did you know how to pronounce his name properly before he arrived at the city ground? So know what I've never asked him if I pronounced it right yet. Suppose you were right. He do you I'm guessing it's right because you've not told me it's wrong just yet. Basically, he's a case study. I mean and I think Bruce Samba is another one we talked about him on the podcast. How has a goalkeeper like briefs Samba a goalkeeper who I think we all agree could be plying his trade in the Premier League. How did he go under the radar? How did for allow Forest able to snag him hours he become our number one and it's things like that that really quite astonishing and like you said, I think all go back to leadership and the way the all the clubs being run. Yeah. Well, do you know you're right some very basic only played one full season of football prior to Forest finding them and what they have got is a good A good scout in there working in place now in LED up by hosseini go and muddy Stowe to clearly very Stupid man who have no a footballer when they spot one minute look back at the work. They've done this summer when you look at Bryce Amber, but also Samba sow out for some Edo Thiago Silva Yuri Ribeiro. I don't think they've made a bad sign in the summer are Emirates. Perhaps hasn't impressed particularly, but you know, we don't know how we would have, you know, he might well have rallied in and got better had he had more time in the side obviously now since Sam was in and and done as well as he's done. It's going to be awhile. You suspect before me or if she's got any chance to prove that he's better but you know broadly speaking the work of forest have done in the summer in the transfer market has been absolutely brilliant and that that's another area where you know, there's a real sense of optimism as they look ahead to January where they you know, they got to do a little bit of work just to getting ready for the second half of the season but you feel pretty confident. They're there they're going to go out and sign good players, hopefully. Let's focus on the players then pool for a few minutes and just look at them through the lens of our most recent game time of recording. That is the most recent victory over Darby. We should just take out the word Victory there for now and we just assume that we're always going to be Darby is that it's just a way of things anymore. Now, I'm certainly as a long-term Forest fan. I'm certainly not taking that for granted. I think I current run is fantastic. This current streak were on and long. May it continue, but I recognize that it you know it. At some point it will come to an end. Nonetheless forestry able to rack up another win against our be one meal. What about that game pool particularly interesting pressed you as far as forests performance and more broadly which players have impressed you so far this season the forest. Well what I'll start with the first pit and what's impressed me most not just against Darby but all season is I think the foundations for fight success under limit So far, it's just been disciplined organization and strength, you know, you look at Players. Like I know they didn't play against our view but sounds for me though, the renewal of the Rejuvenation of Ben Watson at the back wall and Dawson Bryce sambars a big strong lad. They've got a spine there that's really strong and Ryan 8 since you know sounds made up in injured they've got spine there. That's really really Wrong, they don't get bullied anymore Forest. Don't get off the ball there. They're really there are capable of rolling the sleeves or combat in as well as playing football and that's been the foundation for me. And it certainly there was that Fierce level of organization and determination and grit that really saw them through against Darby for for much of the game. They almost played like an away side. They they look to keep things tight to be Compact and play on the counter attack and hurt Darby on the counter and it worked brilliantly they Loud or be so few sites of goal. So few opportunities and fortunately they've got players in their own side who your tend to take the chances when they come their way. No nobody more so than Louis grabbing that you would like to see more create more chances. I think they do need to find a way to get a little bit more attacking threat if they want to carry on the momentum that they've got right now, but I think when that's the biggest criticisms biggest criticism, you can find of the team then you're not in a bad position. If the biggest complaint you've got is that you'd like to see them win by more goals. Then you're not in a bad spot really are you so do you name-checked a few players are poor are there other one or two in particular who have really not just it out to you but maybe surprised you this season by their performances so far. I think when you look at the impact that gonsalvez and Diaz had last season and it wasn't it wasn't generally a positive one without being too negative you The got a level of concern that when you saw Thiago Silva and Yuri, Ribeiro come into the squad you kind of wondered if they were going to fall by the wayside in a similar fashion. So yeah whilst it was completely unfounded skepticism in the sense that you just thought by their side another to Portuguese players. They're probably going to be rubbish as it turned out that they couldn't be more more different, you know Thiago Silva produced one of the best performance I've seen in the Forester and a long time against Darby was he was fantastic. He was frankly taking the Mickey half a time. It was it was it was brilliant to watch his life was like three or four clips of just Out like Mickey taking I was going to say something stronger that but I won't you can do Paul. It's okay. We have an explicit racing. So some of the the tricks on the edge of the box where he just went one way. Click the ball one way then flicked it back here little elastic. Oh, yeah, the one we played some our played a pass off his own leg just ridiculous. And then he was just Sublime. He was brilliant. It was fantastic, and I think if you If you're asking me which players have perhaps surprise me or or being back then I thought that might be I'd probably say silver and Ribeiro and Ribeiro you can see he started off as a career as a Winger and you can kind of see that in the way. He plays at fullback. He's is all about getting forward and being a tap minded and you know getting into the final third and making things happen. It's ironic actually because you know for the first time in years Forest of got not just one but two decent left backs. Yeah, that's right, but a problem for you. Is there not somebody's left back and now they've got to because you know, Jack Robinson is probably one of the best. They've had a long time. He's just a bit more but more defensive minded. So they've got they've got good options there tap minded fullback their defense with one. So yeah. No, I agree. It's interesting. When you talk about the Deluge of Portuguese players, we had sure Paul with in quick succession. It kind of gave me shades of David Platt and you know, here's this Italian Renaissance that didn't quite pan out did it so kind of interesting. Also the point you made is right about silver I think is an important one, but it feels I think DeForest fans I can't Speak for all of them poor, but I think from what we hear back from our listeners and what we see on Twitter. And of course, everything is on Twitter Paul is a hundred percent accurate. So it feels to us like silver and occasionally, you know King Cabo and and it's very very occasionally not as much as we'd like, but Joe Lolly occasionally they have this this flashes these flashes of skill, right? They have these moments of offensive Brilliance, and I think there's a general Neural concern that there's not enough of that. I mean back to your point earlier pool. Yes. The team is incredibly well organized. Yes. It's very difficult to be I'd suggest this may be riding. It's like a little bit it looks to me as though we're a little susceptible on the back post to just about every cross that comes into the box. But but nonetheless there is a degree of organization there. There's a degree of just grit that we haven't had in the past which is great to see and will carry you through a season will help you draw. Games you should lost or win games that you would like to draw. We'd like to see a little bit more flare though. We'd like to see a little more offensive output. So as we head toward that January transfer window, what do you think the team need to be looking at Paul to help us develop that side of the game the season? Well, no the very top of their shopping list. This this is generally a fact the top of their shopping list is a striker and a player can play there's a Winger or an attacking midfielder. That's their their their two priorities and January and they'll look to to the first to sign is the one to make and perhaps the only two priorities. They've got to sign to sign two players in that mold. They're very keen on Dwight kale as we get closer to January. I think that's starting to look more and more like a difficult signing because they weren't they won't be the only clubs involved trying to get him by any means and there's still the question of whether Newcastle will let him go at all, but it's somebody of that caliber. I want and I don't think that's necessarily reflection on Louis grab it because they rate in very highly and rightly. So but the minute with complete respect to r a farmer who I think is probably a better player than he gets credit for in some I agree. I agree. I'm not sure having said that without contradicting myself too much that if Louis grabbing words getting Jude would you would you fairly expect reformers come in and do the same job. He doesn't get the same amount of goals. I think if we're honest the answer is probably no I agree. Also, we need somebody else to just support Louis if he gets injured or suffers a dip in form or get suspended because you know, you can't expect him to play 40 40 odd games this season. Yeah. It did. We saw last season that he had a you know, when he had a little niggling Achilles problem. They didn't go away. It really impacted on him in the second half of the Season. He wasn't quite the same player, but you know, what? What is encouraging his it's a bit Amici seems to be a man. To the can really get the best out of them. We were talking to grab the other day and he was saying we asked him. What gets the best out of him what kind of manager gets the best out of them? You just said somebody who's respectful and honest and then went on to talk about how the mutual is exactly that I'm not sure. He's always seen eye-to-eye with Forest previous managers certainly not join the spell when he was injured in there was a debate about whether it is being pushed too hard or about whether we should play or not, but I think the Meucci somebody who's found the right wavelength to to communicate with with lewisham and and get the best from him. I don't think A difficult play to manage. I think he's actually quite just an intelligent deep thinking kind of character and you need to be on the same wavelength as him to get the best out of it. And it feels like the meet you very much is hmm. Yeah. It's interesting. Actually when you consider the mooji and you consider grab an obviously all we have to go by is the public face of both, but they do seem to be cut from similar cloth in the way. They carry themselves and the way they talk and what seems to be the importance to them. So that doesn't surprise me to hear that pool. So a few speech times ago. We had David Jackson on the show. I'm sure you know, well lovely guy. Yeah now and we're either put him on the spot. We had five rapid-fire questions that we shot his way. I said not to think about them too much just to give us his knee jerk response to each. You know, I've talked to Jack. Oh before he couldn't help himself Paul. He gave us a response. Then he spent 10 minutes justifying it. So you're welcome to do the same my friend. Whatever comes to I want to go ahead and hit you with the same five questions if you wouldn't mind. Take a friend. All right, here we go home sure or away shirt away. Shh. Oh, that's interesting. Jacko said the same thing. Do you have a reason for that? I know I just told you. This is a very rapid fire, but I'm curious now. It's I have no real. Explanation for it. So I just thought I just like the color. Okay. I'll try to think of something more profound. But Jack said the same thing he talked about specifically about the current, you know, two-tone blue, which I'm not a massive fan of but the one thing I do like about the away kit is I like the Mystique right? You never quite know what's going to come out right? Are they going to be playing in blue? Are they going to be playing in black and they get any playing in you know neon orange? Which has ever happened yet. So there you go forested on that one. All right class stand or Bridge friend. cost and right 1979 or 1980 sub to line. Okay you and you and Jack are very consistent right now and I suspect you're also going to agree on this one Pierre van hooijdonk or Stan collymore stir. There you go. All right. He's actually just realize it was six questions, but it's number five again. Probably the most contentious of the lat you need to think on this one pool. Okay, Robin heard or Sherwood bear. Robin Hood's, come on. Let's go. There's so much connected with Robin Hood and Nottingham is no it's like yeah, he's not finished everything. That's about the place. Very good. Alright, let's see if you're a sweet. But Jaco is see if you had 2% final question League or cup. League league every day of the week. I've always been out the Top Flight for 20-odd years and you know the day they get back into the Premier League is going to be one that everybody remembers for a long time and as much as it would be great to win a cup. Once that moments gone is there's no there's no Legacy from it is the there's nothing there carries on Beyond it's just more than you want to cope. But if you got back into the Premier League immediately the be you know more money more Kudos small crowd. More everything and you could build from there more ability for us in America to watch games. Are you go everyone's a winner? Yeah. Absolutely. I will tell you that final question is where you and Jacko diverge really, is that a talk? He did say cup. Yeah. He not man. He is rationale was you know, he grew up in a time where forests were Forever at Wembley. And so, you know, they were always competing their Cup finals and that was just a really they would those were very fond memories for him and I can certainly understand and that again the age I am actually little older than him also and so I just about remember the tail end of the course the famous European Cup campaigns, but certainly the 80s and what felt like yeah annual visits to Wembley. There's will healthy and days for sure. So anyway, all right final question for you my friend. Okay your prediction on the season, so it's finally going to be the year. You just referenced it for us to be now. The Premier League now for slows how long I can't even keep track at this point, but I suspect is this the year. We're finally Forest get out of the Wilderness and back to the promised land. You know, what I've been covering for us since the go make some days that might be my day started in a time when they were just heading to League one. So I just had a gag reflex there Paul Yeah. Well, yeah, I remember very clearly that the entire away and Oldham singing for him to go. I think or three no down at halftime literally to a man the entire way in which tends to bring to go. He did actually he quit after him and he wanted to leave the ground without to be persuaded to stay for the second half. Wow. Yes right away, but that was that I digress their of them massively now, that's fantastic. That's great to hear. But you know every year since then you think this is going to be Forest year and how many times we sat there even when? Haven't been great. Even of the Philip Montana when things went a bit crazy with or maybe they've got a chance that makes for interesting signings but to stop sitting on the fence. Yes, I think it probably is and I don't know why I can't really justify it beyond the fact that everything feels good. It feels like there's a sense of togetherness there and a squad that looks capable. Let me add the caveat that if they signed a good Striker and a good winner in January then yes, it will be there you that that could be the defining thing for me just purely because I worry about what would happen is grabs got injured beyond that. If they can do those two things, I think they've got as good a chance. They've had in a very long time as the finishing the top six. I wouldn't put my house on finishing the top two, but I think they've got a very very good chance of finishing the top six and the music is such a calm calculated details guy that it wouldn't I wouldn't put it past him to to finally be the man that ends Forest playoff who doing Maybe maybe Jacko can get the trip to Wembley's always wanted marvelous. Well, there is Nary a man in Nottingham that knows Forest better than you sitting on a journalist. I think, you know as far as much better than you do poor tailor. And so I'm going to I'm going to end on that because if that's what's your take on the season if that's your take on how it could conclude. That's the perfect place to bring this interview to a close before we do though Paul go ahead and share out where folks can find you where they can read your work with the athletic. I'd love to Folks to check you out and like I said before certainly that our school you did regarding the academy was fantastic, but you've written several good pieces so far this season, so where can people find that that work pool? Well, you can either follow me on Twitter at Nottingham Tales where you can always find links links to my stories or at the athletic.com the you know, the website is very good. I encourages going to look I think if you keep an eye out, Normally some periodic offers to get a little bit of money off, but for the price of a cup of coffee a week, you got some some very good journalist. Give it a go yet. When do I agree? I agree and you get some great insights as well. I think that's the thing that makes it really compelling is the fact that this isn't just surface writing. This isn't just you know, the something that every newspaper is churning out. This is you get real insight you get real depth in your writing you get access that that's hard to find anywhere else and that's the thing that makes the compelling for me. So he's going to be on friendly bit this way. Maybe on Forest as well because there's so much good stuff to read like from all aspects of football. It is it's a brilliant thing to be part of and yeah, I couldn't be enjoyed in horns growing good stuff. Well, thanks so much again for joining us Paul. We really appreciate it. Thank you. 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Forest Fancast is a North American podcast produced by Forest fans. Hosted by @NFFCFlorida, @Melchett, and @JordanThelen. Few journalists in Nottingham know the Reds as intimately as Paul Taylor. After 25 years at The Nottingham Post, ‘Tails’ recently took up a new career challenge with the rapidly growing sports reporting website, ‘The Athletic’. Since then he has continued to write about all things Forest, with a series of fantastic articles providing some unprecedented insights. In this ‘Stoppage Time’ episode he joins us to discuss the Reds season so far, which players have impressed and surprised him, what he thinks is behind the positive sea-change around the club and the city this year, and offers a bold prediction for how the 2019/20 campaign might conclude for the boys from The City Ground… Contact us: Twitter: https://twitter.com/forestfancast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/forestfancast/ Anchor: https://anchor.fm/forestfancast ---This episode is sponsored by Boot Bags, founded by pro soccer players, Shane Malcolm and Jordan Schweitzer in 2019, the company is dedicated to providing quality products for traveling athletes, professionals and sports enthusiasts. For every 5 bootbags we sell, it gives us an opportunity to give a pair of new or lightly used boots to a child in need. 