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You can shout out to a legend joining us today. Ladies and gentlemen joining us now. is a guy who has Honestly been the voice of sports for decades now joined ESPN in 1996. Then he had a 17-year run with Mike and Mike now you can see him on every single Morning on ESPN with the show get up. He's a New York Times bestseller, and he's a legend in the sportscasting world. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Greenberg. Hello, that was a very nice introduction. I appreciated. How are you? I'm fantastic. I can't thank you enough for joining us. This is just a little tiny podcast and you are a legend amongst all of us. So I'm very thankful for that. First things first when you graduated from Northwestern University and you got a job at ESPN, did you ever think that you were going to be basically the face and voice of ESPN? Well, I mean, I don't know that I'm the face or the voice of ESPN, but I can tell you that when I when I graduated it took me a long time to get To ESPN. So my goal was when I got out of school. I wanted to be a SportsCenter anchor because at that time that was the Pinnacle there were no shows like Mike and Mike there was no PTI there were no not those shows didn't exist yet and all of the what we now know as Sports talk with local and it was mostly just starting and it was almost all exclusively radio. And so I worked in sports radio in Chicago for years six years before I got to ESPN and my absolute goal. What I considered to be the Pinnacle was to be a SportsCenter anchor and that was what I wanted and I still believe SportsCenter is the Rolls-Royce of the sports news and information business. So that was my goal. There was no such thing as the career path that I have sort of fallen into so if you had told me I think the answer to your question is if you were told me when I was 21 22 years old that my life was going to turn out this way. I would never have Do what is it has been infinitely more than I could ever have realistically expect it. Well, I think what you're saying though is such a humble opinion because although I did grow up during the SportsCenter era in highlights kind of took over the world. You are a guy who is held in high regards by everybody. And when I've met you I honestly expected a guy to be a bit snobby to be honest. I thought you're gonna be either you're going to be a bit snobby but instead you're consummate gentleman and treat everybody around you with so much respect and I don't That's a normal thing. I think you should be very proud of being one of the voices of ESPN. That's nice of you to say thank you very much. Love we very much enjoyed having you on the show. Now. I've told everybody when they ask me about you. I say he's crazy and he got you. He knows exactly here's what I think is the thing. I was most impressed with you. My show is there are every place you go. There was a different line, you know, there were lines you can you can cross here that you couldn't cross there and and On and so forth and I think you immediately understood where you could reasonably go on a show like mine and where you should not go past and I think that the fact that you pick that up so quickly, you know sort of eased whatever nervousness any of you there. And so now you have an open invitation. It is always been a lot of fun and I know that I told you this, but I thought that you just were magnificent at the NFL draft. I thought that was extraordinarily well done. I know that we exchanged notes briefly after that, but I thought that was absolutely Sensational. Well, that means a lot coming from you. I appreciate any time I get a chance of being a pre-show meeting with you. I very much understand that I am among some of the greatest humans never get on TV. Do you feel an obligation every single morning to deliver magic and I say that because I was in a situation on your show that kind of wrapped it up that involved race debate. It involved a lot of things. Do you ever feel like an obligation to make sure that everybody gets their Crossing it's fair and balanced coverage on your show. Yes, for sure. I mean, well those were a couple of different things. So starting with this if you're nice enough to come and appear on my show. The only person who was on my show every single day as me Jalen Rose is a full-time member of the show and he was an original host on the show, but obviously with the NBA Playoffs his responsibilities have him in LA and on the road so much and then the rest of the cast is just constantly revolving. We have some people who are more regular than others but by and large everyone who appears with me as a guest and so I think it is imperative that everyone gets a chance to say what they want to say. I think it would be totally unreasonable for me to ask you to fly in from from wherever you're coming from to spend. You know, however much time you are in New York and not get the opportunity to to do your thing on my show. So I feel very much obliged to make sure that you and everybody get a chance to really be themselves and express whatever it is. They may want to on the show now as far as Balanced and all the rest of that. Yes. I think that I'd like to think that I'm an open-minded person which is to say I think a truly open minded person is open to hearing everyone's perspective on everything and always willing to have my mind changed on almost anything and you know, I remember Max Kellerman once said we were in like a disagreement about something and he said I love debating because either I prove how smart I am or I learned something and that's sort of the way I approach it. So I remember the day your talk. Talking about Isaiah Thomas was there we were talking about a variety of topics. And those are those are serious and they're important and they are things that make people that people react to very strongly, you know, it is very difficult to maintain reason when you feel a lot of emotion and those are subjects that people are very emotional about I try and be as reasonable as I can and when it comes to stuff like that, but I hope that anyone feels like with almost no exception anyone's point of view is welcome on my show. I mean Are obviously certain places that we're not going to go but by and large anyone anyone who wants to bring some honest emotion to my show is more than welcome to do so, it's getting good. Isn't it? Oh, yeah little Greenie what up guy man straight off the golf course spending his Memorial Day with us. Nice guy. Now that we had JJ Watt last week in Greenie today plus Alexander Rossi later today, you know, I'm doing tonight. 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I want to let you know that's the one thing I very much have noticed since doing that show is just watching you balance and kind of handle the chaos that's happening all around you during that show is the most impressive thing that I've got a chance to watch and it's like whenever you watch a maestro conduct an orchestra or a pain Paint it's like something next level honestly watch because you got notes flying into you. You got this happening. You got this happening. This person wants to say this you kind of got to balance it all and it's so impressive with that being said get up is your show Mike and Mike for 17 years was dominant on the radio and on TV, then you make this transition into a new chapter with get up. Did you feel a lot of pressure like your legacy was going to be judged on how get up did because you are taking this big leap to do a no-show. I felt a lot of pressure. I say it was because of my legacy. I don't think sports announcers have legacies and maybe a very very small handful of them. Do maybe someone like Howard Cosell has a legacy. Maybe someone like Jim Nantz will have a legacy for the most part and I appreciate all the nice things you said about me and I do think I'm pretty good at this job. But I'm also I think that I will be forgotten very very quickly after I'm done. I don't think that there is a really lat. I think the last hope the lasting contributions That I'm able to make will come in the area of cancer research or a couple of other things that I work in or something else. Maybe someday. I'll write a book that people will read long after I'm gone. Otherwise, I'm a sports talk show host and I think I'm a good one. But those are generally not quite as difficult to come by and and not someone who is destined to be remembered long after their time. So I felt a lot of pressure, but hey, hold on you can't be this. I am sick of you being this humble. I am sick of it. I want to let you know I'm just about all kidding aside. No one is less humble than me. I have an effort narrowly healthy self opinion. Do you think Ten Years After I'm Gone. Do you honestly think people are going to whenever it is I retire and I hope that's not for another 20 years or so. I honestly, I mean people might remember the show, but I don't think people will be talking about me the way they remember, you know, look this but this way, let me give you a better example. Well, I'm gonna This argument if indeed this is an argument is today. I did a what we call a down Barrel one of these essays on camera. Essays about Bart Starr. Yep Bart Starr with died yesterday at the age of 85. He's one of the greatest quarterbacks that ever lived. He still has the highest postseason passer rating of any quarterback in history, which is ludicrous when you consider that every passer rating is turned over ten times since then, but he still has the best passer rating in the playoffs. He still has the best winning percentage in the playoffs. He remains the only quarterback Avec ever to have won three consecutive championships and the only one to win five Championship with in any decade and do you know that most people have no idea who he was none most of the fans that I was talking to today legitimate sports fans. Don't remember Bart Starr. So if they don't remember Bart Starr 30 years after his career, I think it's pretty unlikely. They're going to remember Greenie of 30 days after let me tell you why people woke up with you for 17 years you were on TVs and in radios with While they want to work, they shared their life with the mic and my crew then you you guys separate to do your own things and then get up happens. You didn't feel any sense of pressure. Like hey, this is going to be this is going to be a massive ordeal for me and how I'm going to be remembered right? No not not for how I'm going to be remembered absolutely not but that doesn't mean I didn't feel a lot of pressure. I felt a lot of pressure because I understood that this was a really big undertaking for the network. This was a big thing. We were trying to do here and that it wasn't easy. You and I learned so much from it like the beginning of it was so interesting to me. Like they give you we were three hours then we're to now but they gave us three hours and they said here go do something in the morning on TV. That's at least a little bit different from anything anyone else is doing and go and all you can do is make a bunch of educated guesses as to what that may be and no matter how hard you try no matter how good the people you have around you are and no matter how smart you are. You're going to get a bunch of that, bro. And so we guessed we got some of it right some of it wrong. We started adjusting and adapting immediately, but unlike something like Mike and Mike where we started out with no one paying any attention to us. In this case. We went through all of our growing pains under a really, you know, really bright light. It was a it was a microscope on us. And so that was a challenge. There's no question. That was a challenge. So that was the part of that trying to get the show right was where I felt the pressure had nothing to do with how am I going to remember? Bird what I'm done, there was really more about I need to figure this out. Like I need to figure out what it is that American sports fans want to get up in the morning and watch some television that at that is at least a little bit different from anything that has been there in the past and I think that we are we are working our way towards that and we certainly haven't gotten it exactly right yet, but I think we're getting closer and closer. And so that would say that the answer to your question is yes. I did feel a lot of pressure to succeed. We they gave me this really big. The inside here Greenie go do this and I felt an enormous obligation to come through for them. But it was much less about about how I might be remember 20 years from now because who knows what's going to happen between now and I've got a lot of career left. I would say that I felt a lot of pressure because this was a big undertaking for for a lot of people whom I like who put a lot of faith in me and I didn't want to let them down. Well, I think you've done a great job the show is very entertaining. I think it gives great takes. I think there's a lot of knowledge to be dropped on their and Every time I get to come on I very much appreciate it. Let's swing now to the Sports World. The NBA now is faced with an incredible opportunity here with the entire country of Canada potentially rallying around one team in Toronto. Do you think there's any chance that the Raptors can beat the Golden State Warriors and how will ESPN cover the entire country of Canada being excited about one team role? I don't know the answer to the second part of that. I mean it is it is an interesting phenomenon that you really do have. This National fan base behind this team. Unfortunately, it's a different Nation but it's a good Nation. Yeah, of course. It's a proximate Nation. So in all that and part of it is good. So I think that's good the Raptors being in there were good. I for one am kind of excited to see some new blood and some new faces in there the Warriors and the Cavs four straight years. Obviously, it was great and I do think the postseason Miss LeBron to a significant degree, but I as a fan of the sport all my life and happy to see a new team in there and something different from what we've been seeing in the past in the absence of Kevin Durant and I do not think Durant is going to play at all and the absence of Kevin Durant. I give the Raptors a puncher's chance. I do not expect them to win. I picked on the air today Warriors and six if KD was playing I would take the Warriors and five but I do see a way that Toronto wins this I think if Kauai is awesome. I think they have great defense. A long conversation with Tom Thibodeau today who is like a basketball Savant and he was talking to me about great life because I was complaining about Milwaukee's offensive execution. I was just looking for a game seven. I really didn't care who won that series but I really wanted a seventh game and so I got very frustrated watching Milwaukee play offense or if you could eat someone's in install to offense any word to describe what they did and that's what his office and he was telling me greedy or selling short what Toronto was doing defensively and they have all these all defensive players Kawhi Leonard Defensive Player of the Year, Marc Gasol Defensive Player of the Year kind of smell siakam outstanding Defender. They have a bunch of really good Defenders. So if they can make life a little bit more difficult for the Splash Brothers guard on the perimeter a little bit just take completely away. Anyone whose names are not Steph clay or Draymond in that series. And yeah, they have home court advantage. I think they'll win one of the first two at home. So so I if I had to predict I would predict I'll go back to Golden State one one and then the question is can Toronto find a way to win one of those two games in Oakland if they do then I think they have a real chance to win the series and otherwise, I think Golden State will either win it in 5 or a relatively easy six you do you talked about just talking to Thibodeaux there who somebody you talk to her? You got a little star-struck anybody because you I mean when I was there just got stars coming. I think after I left Magic Johnson came in the next week. It was just like everybody comes through there. Who's somebody you've been Starstruck the you got it. Chance to talk to him. Well, I mean over the course of my career. I've had the opportunity to meet just about every hero I ever had growing up as a kid and they're the still the ones that get the most excited about like the more current. I'm a lot older than you are so as great as it is to see someone like I'm just trying to think of an example of a great modern day play Someone Like LeBron James or anyone else like I remember him when he was in high school. Well, you know, and I mean I admire him greatly please don't get me wrong. That's not what I mean, but Even a guy like like like you played with Peyton Manning who's you know, one of the five greatest quarterbacks that ever lived, you know, I don't feel in all of him in part because I'm just older than him and it would just it's just kind of weird but like I did an event this past week with Joe Namath. Now when I was a kid, Joe Namath was we were I lived in a household where we did not have any religion our deity was Joe Namath. That was that was who we believed in that was so we worshipped. I've said many times. My mother would have left my father for Joe Namath and my father would have applauded her for this. So the first time I met name it and I've done a few things with him. The first time I met Namath I couldn't believe that we were in the same room the first time I met Walt Frazier, I grew up in New York in the 70s. So the that my two Heroes my Idols because not only were they great athletes and I was a sports crazed kid, but not only were they great players, but they just had a coolness about them that I just love. We're Joe Namath to Walt Frazier. And the first time I ever met either of them both of eat, you know, each of them. I think was the most excited I've ever been to meet any one of them. I've also met a lot of people from outside the sports world that I went crazy the time Jerry Seinfeld came on Mike & Mike. I almost couldn't talk. I loved I loved that show. I love Jay. I used to say he put my life. I was a thin single neat guy living on my own at the time that show was on the air. I basically said he took my life put it on TV and made a billion dollars. I loved him. And so when I met Jerry for the first time, I was really I was I would say I was very Starstruck like at most it's mostly some of the older players the people that I grew up watching and admiring even ones who might not have been as famous to everyone else but guys who are very big to very big deal to me. Like what I meant to me again growing up in the 70s like Bob Griese was a very big deal. Terry Bradshaw was a very big deal Ken Stabler. Or Roger Staubach that's the era of football I grew up watching. And so any time I ever was in a over the first Super Bowl I ever covered for ESPN. I got invited someone got sick. Robin Roberts had someone and how honestly I can't remember who it was. I'm embarrassed. I might have been Ron Jaworski. We're supposed to host this Super Bowl party and Jaws. I believe got sick and so they asked me to fill in to pinch-hit. I was this was the first year of Mike and Mike I couldn't have been less famous. But I was I happen to be standing there. So they said can you just come? Hoppin and introduce a few people with Robin. So I did and at this party was basically every NFL star from the seventies and I remember calling my dad. This is before there was texting and my father never would have texted anybody but I remember calling my dad and saying that you were not going to believe where I am, but I'm in a room and Too Tall Jones is here and like Lynn Swann is here. I'm remember the guys who all these great players from that era all these players of the 70s. Those are the guys I grew up. Up watching Julia and then from basketball Julius Erving and Elvin Hayes and people like that. So it's a very long-winded answer to what was a pretty direct question. Now, it's gonna answer. My life has really got those are the guys. I've been the most in off with the guys I grew up watching. Okay. So you mentioned Broadway Joe there early as being the guy that was back when the Jets were good at football. Now, they're firing their GM after spending hundreds of millions of dollars doing an entire draft round and now they're in a situation where a guy looked very lost it is Press conference is now in the same position as Bill Belichick brothers GM and head coach. The state of the Jets is a hilarious one. You're one of the most famous Jets fans. Is there any hope for the New York Jets in the next decade to see any success? Well, actually I think the answer is yes. And if there's one thing that bothers me the most about what I would describe as the utter ineptitude of the ownership and the way that situation was handled it is that things were Were going so well, I did not like I do not think McKagan did a good job. I thought he deserved to get fired when they fired bowls. If it were up to me. I would have fired the general manager at McKagan as well and started over again from there because this was the most important offseason the Jets have ever had in their entire franchise. They had to hire a new coach. They had a high draft pick and they had all this is every team has that one year that they've been building up to financially and this is the year. They're going to spend all their money. One in the world knew this was that year. So this was the year to totally remake the franchise. So I was not in favor of letting McKagan and do that but the owner decided to and I said, okay, he's backing his guy. Okay, and so they went out they hired a coach and I thought it was the right coach everyone in New York was very down on the hiring of case. I was not you need someone to work with the quarterback. The one thing case has always done well as work with the quarterback Peyton Manning loved him. Jay Cutler loved him. Ryan Tannehill loved him the max love them. So the Jets need to develop the Young quarterback and Donald. I'm on board with that. I was good with that hiring. They spent a bunch of money. Do I think the Le'Veon Bell contract is going to look real good through years from now. No, I don't but I do think giving the Young quarterback that guy at this stage of his career is a good move and it's worth whatever money they had to spend on it and then the draft I think it fell to them. But I mean they got all the guy that almost everyone was telling me was the best player in the whole draft at number 3 and Quinton Williams. You let the guy do the whole draft. I Very optimistic. I felt like things are sort of going in a positive direction. So to then 18 days later to do a deep dive and realize you have to fire your general manager this second most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of in my entire life and that it is an example of just utter mismanagement and ineptitude and in all honesty that the New York Jets were a publicly traded company and Christopher Johnson was the CEO the board of directors would fire him with cause immediate. Having said that that's not the way it works. I still think once you sort of get past how awful that looked that they're in a reasonably decent place. They have a guy who I think and I'd be interested to hear if you agree. I saw a lot of signs from Sam dardo last year that suggests to me. He might be a really good player and they got a good slot receiver for him and Jamison Crowder and they got Le'Veon Bell who should be a terrific addition and they have a bunch of really good young players on defense including obviously. Jamal Adams who's one of the best young defensive players in the whole Sport and they draft with this guy Quinn and Williams of they have Leonard Williams. They have some players and they have a coach who I think is a good offensive mind and they have a defensive coach and Greg Williams who you know, whatever happened in New Orleans happened, but I think he's always been an effective defensive coordinator. So I actually think the pieces are in place for what could be a decent team which is why I was so frustrated that this happened last week or two weeks ago now I guess It was because it just made the Jets look terrible when it felt like they were going in the right direction, but I still think there is a chance they could be decent this year and on their way to being better than that. I'll tell you what you sound so much like every New York Jets fan. I never heard my entire life. So I think so. So pessimistically optimistic. It's it's an incredible. I think Les Belles helps out a Young quarterback more than anybody could ever imagine that mean they're going to have to load the Box because Les Belles they're also left Bells a weapon out of the backfield as a wide receiver. Sam Donald showed glimpses of something spectacular, but it's all in coaching and surrounding it. I'm excited to see it but it just feels like and this is just an outsider looking in and I think you probably feel the same way. Somehow some way the Jets are going to Jets. I mean, that's just what's going to happen. But I love the team. I like the way and Brandt Boyer your special teams coordinator. Good guy just for future reference. He'll roll the dice a little bit. So I like the team a lot. I just think the Jets always find a way to fuck themselves. I mean it just it always it always seems to happen. I don't think you Jets fans deserve it last. Question is this yeah. What is the end game for Mike Greenberg? You said you want to write another book that people remember in 30 years from now. Do you want to Executive produce a show? That's a whenever you're retired. Do you want to be on a call? Do you want to own the Jets? You want to G Emma team? What is the end game? You want to be a professional golfer? You just got off the course today? Well, so you're just you're just listed a bunch of options many of which I would choose were they realistic. So if I could be a professional golfer, I would do that Ami. How is your dim? My game is is by the state. I mean, it's I'm a my index is 8.2. So, I mean it's depending on how good you are. That's either reasonably good or terrible. Like I I know a bunch of people are way better than me and they're never making a living playing god. Let's put it happen. So then I would like to broadcast golf. I had the opportunity to dip my toe in that water at the Masters ESPN gets the rights of the PGA Championship next year and I would love to be involved in that and I would love to slowly work my way into a little bit of the coverage of golf because that is my Favorite sport. I'd like to keep doing the show that I'm doing now. I told the people I work for that in my head. I have it in my head that I'm gonna do the show for 10 years. I love it. I love the lifestyle. I want I love being in New York. I like I like everything about it. My goal is to do that for roughly 10 years and then sort of assess where I am by that time. I will have been doing a Daily Show basically five days a week every day for 30 years and it might be time to sort of get at that point. It'll be 30 or so. I'll sort of work my way see where I To go at that point. And the meantime, I have my hands in a bunch of different things and we'll see what happens. I have a few shows that we're developing in the both that are scripted and some that are unscripted. I am writing another book so we'll see what winds up coming, you know coming through but in the interim, you know, I really we still I still feel at the very beginning of this show and I still feel like I want to make sure it gets to a place where it is. It is solid and repeatable and we can continue to do it for as long as I want to do it and I think Heading in that direction. Are you write a sitcom? I have written multiple sitcoms. I didn't know screen right now. But you know about that that you say that as though you've done it. You know, it's a tough. It's a tough gig but if you write a sitcom you basically the way I would describe it as there were like ten hurdles. You have to jump over for it to get on the air. I've gotten on some of them like as far as like seven hurdles, but none of them have ever been on the air. But yes, I have two of them in the pipeline now and we'll see if it if anything ever ones. Up happen, like whoa. I had no idea that you were just a screenwriter behind iron. When do you find a time? It makes no sense. You got to you got to executive producer show in the morning. Then he got to do all these other obligations and then just at night before you go to bed with your beautiful bride Stacy by the way, a lot of fun to follow on the internet. You just go ahead and write a screenplay. Like what how does that even happen? Well, so here's the beauty of this I love and I would love you to keep this between us. I love I love how busy everyone perceives me to be. All right. I have I have a job that ends at 10 o'clock in the morning. I have a lot of time to do stuff when we started Mike and Mike. I I wasn't over the course of time that I did Mike and Mike. I got off, you know, the are ten o'clock in the morning. I wrote over the course of that that stretch I wrote five books. I shaved 14 shots off my handicap and I picked my kids up at school literally every day. That's what life is like when your job ends at 10 o'clock in the morning. The flip side of that is that for 18 years. I got up at 3 o'clock. That's that was that was a trade-off and it was one that I would make again a hundred times out of a hundred for all of the opportunities that I've had primarily with my kids, you know, my daughter is graduating from high school next week, and I'm going through a really really wistful time with that to be completely honest with you. She's going to college in the fall and it's just impossible for me to believe in myself. Steve and I were just out playing golf today and he's 16 so, you know that stage in our lives and sort of coming to an end. But when my kids were little I was at school with them literally every day. I picked them up from school every single day and that was the best time I've ever had and so I would I would not give that part of it up for anything. Look I wouldn't give up any of it who is luckier at the end of the day than I am. I'm just a kid a grew up in New York City Who Loved Sports and and to the point that you made up the beginning of the conversation and look what's happened to me. So, you know, I'm probably the most fortunate person I know and and I just am going to continue to try and do things the way I have been doing them, you know for the next little while but to go back to the reason that we started this I have more than enough time to write books and write written scripts and any number of other things that I've been doing because you know, as you know, we roll out of there at latest like 11 o'clock in the morning and I have my whole day ahead of me. Well, I want to let you know it was Given its earned. Mr. Greenberg. You deserve every single part of it and if there's any extra spots, you know, if like bartender bouncer anything you got going on sitcom. I love be cast. I'm just looking for it. You know what I mean? Let that you know what I could easily see there being a place where you and almost anything I get involved. Let's stay in touch on that. Hey, you're the best. Good luck with that. Thank you so much for your hospitality on your show and for coming on here today. I know you don't do a lot of interviews because you're so busy all the time. I am so thankful and you're the man. Man, dude, good luck with everything another 10 years of greatness. I can't wait to watch. Thank you. Is it pleasure as do it again? And I'll see you in New York sometime soon. You got it. Ladies and gentlemen, Northwestern University grad voice of get up and Mike and Mike New York Times bestseller and maybe fucking Scorsese by the end of this authentic my dream. Thank you, man. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure. That was fun. So so nice of you to do this, you're the best. I'm pretty good girl from by the way. What's that? I'm pretty good. Golfer you I'm guessing you. Are you all you football players are good golfers. What is your index? It depends it can go anywhere from like a 13-2 a to it depends on how I'm playing in the day. Well the next time you're in town, let's go my my fly play at Bayonne. It's a fun place to go and it's easy to get to from our studio. So the next time you come to the show will go to write from the set. All right. I'll bring my club. Appreciate you man. All right, I got to talk to you to congrats dear daughter graduating high school Jesus. She graduates a week from Thursday. I'm never gonna live through this experience college College can be some wild times are to be a dad. I know I'm just gonna you know, she'll be fine. She she's more than mature enough for this. It's me, who's not empty nest is real kick in the ass man. I'll be I'll be excited to see you handle it. That's another thing you gotta organized chaos that you deal with on a daily basis. You know what I mean watching those papers. Come into you and then like we're live in 3 seconds you go when there are right now, then we're live and then you're reading and then you're throwing it is a talent man. It's fun to watch. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm doing it a long time. So I guess I've somewhere along the line I figured it out. Hey, by the way, my last name McAfee and I get it wrong every goddamn time. For some reason. I always want to say McCaffrey. I don't know why and and I obviously I know your name and and yet every single time. I look at you my king. The nation is to say McCaffrey and and yet somehow I almost think that's gotten it's almost good. It's almost better that's not know why but for some reason I feel like it works in every way. Well, it works for me. It makes it helps me tell the story better and also my people on the internet respected a lot more and I might just change my name to McCaffrey to be honest with him. All right fellas. Thank you. Granny will too humble for my liking little bit. To Humble is a little bit too humble. I mean, he's kind of jocking you're like most humble guy on Earth. It's really hard to talk for 30 minutes about yourself and then still spin how humble you are now so he should be no. He's great. Honestly. He is so good in like the pre-show meetings there tspn like he's Point guy for it. I mean, he's a part of all I didn't even ask about his Louboutins. The only word is nice but he is so cool. You know how he's like King of the form, I guess of everybody right now. Like he's just a master of running the show. Be cool to see if he ever because he writes books. He's obviously a great Storyteller and he likes that it'd be cool to see as he progresses. Does he end up doing more like long-form biographical one-on-one stuff like Costas good, you know, I mean, I think he would be great at that him and some legendary athlete that's like the What's that show it was originally with Joe Buck announce with Dan Patrick. It's called done something. I've seen it yet uninterrupted or something. Maybe I think he would be the next good host of that is a sit-down hour-long conversation in front of a crowd. I haven't seen Dan Patrick's version. I'm sure it's incredible, but I watch a lot of Joe Buck's he had Jerry Jones on there. That was what Jerry Jones gave the quote of all quotes where he's like you sometimes you see it in the Fairway and your 225 yards out on a par 5 and there's always an option to lay up or you just hit that motherfucker right in the grape I go for the green every single time. And that was just a quote that really stuck with I think I was watching it late night one night like 2 a.m. And I'm like Jerry Jones. Is that motherfucker that show would yank with Greenie and would because I mean those are the best shows because these are legends and you want to know more about them and a guy like that because he would bring a different energy than anybody it's done in the past hear him just rattle off all Bart Starr stats, by the way. He still has the highest postseason Bubba Bubba. He is this that the he is that the done I'm like what where are your notes that he was awesome man. We found a little issue there at the beginning but we're all good definition of a consummate professional. Yeah true. I thought he's gonna be an asshole when I walked in the first picture of meeting. I thought he's gonna be a complete asshole. Thought I honestly I was like, all right, cuz you sit down he showed up like 10 minutes before the meeting sir meeting starts like 6 a.m. Or something 6:30 got to be there. I don't have it 6:00 a.m. Or 6:30, but you get there and there's this one little glass room. It's on that Pier right there in New York that they build up and Seaport and they're like be here at this time. This one a meeting starts and I think I was the first person there. It's like I couldn't sleep the night before I'm like, It's gonna be my first time really on ESPN. This is a big deal and I Bebop they offered me a ride, but I was like nah, I'm a walk. So I put in my ear pods, you know, I'm just walking through like New York City. There's nobody there. I'm like, this is a fucking movie right now. You know Seaboard is this area that has like Cobblestone bricks on the ground. It's like a really cool area. Then you walk down this pier and then you get up there and her like ESPN. I'm like, yep the go you all the way up and I'm listening music Still and I get in there and there's nobody there yet. I'm the literally the first person there and then producer. Walks in he's like, oh the meeting will be in there in like 10 15 minutes. I was like cool. I'll just go sit by myself in this corner. So I sit in the corner and I sit down in this room and then people start to funnel and you know, and I'm like hi. My name's Pat. Nice to meet you. I'm in Japan. Nice to meet you and I'm like, okay, this is cool. And then there's a big TV, that's up in Connecticut. Where's that Bristol Stanford Bristol Bristol, Connecticut. There's like eight people on a TV there then there's like seven people and then all of a sudden fucking green he comes walking in right and he sits down and before he Say anything. He said Patrick. Thank you so much for coming. It's an honor to have you here sir. And I was like well Goddamn nice to meet you too, man. That was like my axles and everybody in a room laughed and then we started the meeting and they start pitching out ideas. Like what we should talk about what's hot topics, you know, and I was like kind of scared interrupted. I didn't want to interrupt anybody in green like stop the meeting like three times music pad. How do you feel about this? And I was like, I think Bubba Bubba, but he's a perfect that's beautiful. Don't make fun of his baby, but that's awesome. Brees thing it was like he really was like looking out for me and I was like man you don't have to do this is so nice of you he is a consummate gentleman and professional. I'm so thankful. He came on so thankfully came on anything. You didn't get to ask things. I oh no, he would he would you ever bring it up? What like his he had said many many times on Mike & Mike that his dream job would be commissioner of the MLB and when you were right when you were rattling off those things, that's what I thought like I was going to sharpen, but then I could see him being an advanced alternative. Yeah. Yeah. Also went I was talking about classes. He's also talked about many times how Costas is his Idol like he I guess so can see that to and because they're similar in just how they are who they are as people. Yeah that came up as sports fans not really playing sports or whatever, but right so when you compare them to classes or maybe like that, it's perfect as he said that's his has been his Idol growing up very very thankful for him coming on sweet him at ESPN Greenie, please tell him we said thank you for stopping by. I mean, what a legend there. I'm I'm just Knocking down sitcoms on a regular basis write books. What a guy thank him so much at ESPN Greenie for coming on he spent his Memorial Day of the why make sure people know that yeah, not a he. Hey you you're so humble man. You should have seen the looks like was given whenever he wanted that little hump. He's one of the most successful Sports Casters in the history of sports. Yeah, we know. You said he's a voice Eminem and ask me Pierre the voices of esps what they are starting morning and then the morning and evening Spencer's got 10 million. I agreed Steven Naismith hell of a voice from ESPN. Yeah, but Greenie is that guy for some reason? I don't associate because Greenie and spp have been at ESPN forever like in Steven Naismith has I feel like he's more like a hired assassin. Well, that was a real thing too because I learned this with Bob and Tom people like wake up with you like they literally feel like they're starting their day with you. So for 17 years people just started their day with Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic like You become a part of their routine a ritual. That's why I whenever he decided to leave. It's like there's a lot of people that are probably like. Hey, man, you're kind of fucking up my morning routine case. Yes Ali. Hey, you know what? I mean and him saying that he felt the pressure of like living up to what ESPN was putting behind it. Like that's a cool way to think about it. Yeah. I mean they're taking a big chance with that with think they launched an entire new studio down the road. Yeah. They were built that thing for them beautiful. It is a beautiful setup and I think that shows only getting better by the way. It's not the first time I went there to watching it too now. It's like that. You see the big brains happening behind the scenes kind of cook him good for Greening men. Also this past weekend a pretty large race happened. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's called the Indianapolis 500. I didn't talk about it. One time. We have a little bit of a beef with the speedway. That's that's a personal beef with any of the boys. It's just me in the speedway have a personal beef, but good reason. A good reason yeah her he's rightfully so we won't get into it. 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He's a host of one of the greatest podcast. I've listened to off track with inch and Rossi ladies and gentlemen, Alexander, Rossi. Thanks man. Appreciate you. Hey, thank you for joining us. I want are you upset here a day after coming in second in the Indy 500 by half a second that has to be tough to swallow. I'm not happy about it. It was a range of emotions yesterday, right because obviously The race started out. We had a good car. You know, we got to the front when we needed to and then you know shit kind of hit the fan and we were dealing with a lot of different levels of adversity. I was probably the most angry I've ever been up. I've been in a race car kind of got to lead with 15 laps to go and ultimately we just didn't have the the speed to get it done. So I was dejected at the end of the race But ultimately, you know, I think it was an awesome hundred thirty running of the Indy 500. It was great. Joe great to have NBC as a partner for this one and it's a really bringing the car back to where it should be. So ultimately it was a success for the series which is good for all of us. But ya know today still sucks. You stole the show man. I know salmon did the sweep of May here winning the Grand Prix the pole and the 8,500 he had an incredible car. There was a lot of chatter about that. But the way you were driving reminded me of like back in the day when racing was like number one when people like wanted to pull for their guy to go and get it kind of Balls to the wall and I feel like is that your style normally your bit aggressive on a normal basis? But yesterday it seemed like a little bit of a different animal. No, I think that is my style is just much it's I don't let it out in verbally and is expressively as I did yesterday. So the thing that really set me off if if we're going to be honest was so we came into the pits from the lead and for the third Indy 500 and for years like we couldn't get you on the car and This was through no fault of of any person. It was a mechanical failure happens to the best of them, but it was just like here we go. Again. We're coming in a really good position. And the thing that's plagued me granted it. It's what set me up for the victory in 2016, but irregardless, it's been a just a hurdle that we haven't been able to overcome for one reason or another and you know, usually the piss tops are 7 to 8 seconds. This one was 23 seconds, and I just lost it on your beating. The hell out of your little steering wheel there they were talking about how each of the steering wheels. Is it worth a million dollars. It's beating the living hell out of that during the red flag. They asked me they were like do we need to bring you the spare? Because like we're concerned it like I broke the screen or something and I actually have a left wrist injury that I've had kind of since the winner and I was beating it so hard with my right hand that now I have like a right rest just doubly screwed for Detroit. You drove by a guy who was a lap down and it seemed as if he was kind of blocking you ain't okay. I think his name is Oriole Serbia or something like that and you drove by him at 220 miles an hour with your injured wrist. Now that we're knowing and you lifted it up in a fist. Are you guys told that you can't flip middle fingers during the race and I was just kind of like you get it. This is a fuck you I mean, we're not told but I mean, you know my my main Partners NAPA Auto Parts and then you know, I drive for Honda and I mean those are two fairly conservative brand so I don't I don't want to be that guy but I think the point came across without actually having to do it. I agree 1,000% I like those a win-win what I was impressed by is what I'm riding shotgun in somebody's driving on a highway. Okay. Yes. I like to do the are dolphin out the window, you know what I mean dolphin dolphin dolphin dolphin cobra. You know what? I mean and whenever your hands locked up in that Cobra and if it's going like 70 80 miles an hour, it's hard to get your hand back into a standard window. You're going 220 miles an hour. Just rocking your fist like an old fucking man. And then you had to get that thing back down in the cockpit where you a little bit worried that that thing was going to come back in and he put you see I wanted to do the code or the dolphin, but I couldn't I didn't have the range of motion, but no I wasn't at that point. I was so beyond kind of you know, thinking about a lot of things logically. I mean it honestly and I know this kind of sounds bad to say but it was that moment. It was just a Red Mist fueled like 20 laps like it was I had had a Leo Castroneves who was who is four laps down and the teammate to Simon passage. No on Team Penske who is Purposely like getting in the way when Simon and I were on different Pit Stop strategy. That was thing. Number one that kind of got me riled up. Then we had the pissed off issue and then servio was a lab down and blocking as I was trying to get my positions back. So it's these three things in the span of like 20 minutes and I just at that point. I was gone like it was I am going to win this race. I don't care period end of discussion and we got close, but ultimately it wasn't enough. Hey that competitiveness is nice to hear though. It's like in golf and in racing it always feels like when people lose their like how we gave it a good go today. The car just didn't have it. It's like a it's I don't want to say it's two gentlemen knee for me, but it is it's almost 2:00 gentlemen, he for me like like golf if a guy misses you just ball wasn't Falling Away what well fuck it could have you chose for it not to in most sports and Physical Sports. There's a lot of competitive juices going and I think you showing that is good for Indy cars where I don't know what everybody else is telling you but I think it's good for Indie cool. Well, dude, so I like I was disappointed obviously last night going out to dinner with kind of my close group of friends and family and like we just started looking at the social media and people were like such a fan of that. Oh my God, I never realized that because for me, you know, I came from racing in Europe and you know, you're very much supposed to kind of be in this corporate box and kind of follow the script and do what they say and be who they as the team want you to be and so coming to IndyCar. I knew that, you know, the fans really He had an attachment to drivers in their personalities and who they actually were but like I never really showed a huge amount because still like, you know, I go to the racetrack to do a job and the job is to win and you know, if we do that then great. If not, it's a disappointment. But yesterday like people I guess had an attachment to the the a frustration and anger a little bit. Yeah, that's cool. Well, thank you really wanted to go when it as opposed to just let something his like you really wanted to go win that thing and when you're talking about the Indy 500 you're talking about. The grandest spectacle in racing or whatever. I mean it was just cool to see that side Danica. I watch the stream for the 1st time. I stole it. So you guys don't get any credit for that. I apologize. Probably going to fuck up the contract later for you, but I sweet thang. Yeah. Well, I think they should show in Indianapolis. That's neither here nor there. I don't want to get in the business of it. But I stole the stream through Reddit shout out Nick smarter than me some extreme to watch it at my house while I was watching my dogs. So I'm only nine of them too many dude. Yeah, Rossi. There's too many. Animals there. Did you watch my G story after the race? I didn't know I thought it may be brought you some Solace. I really I was part of it, but I'm watching it and Danica and Dale Earnhardt jr. They're talking before the race, right and it's right before the race goes off and I've been a part of this crew. There's just humans on the racetrack literally seven minutes before the fucking race is about to kick off. Yeah, and they asked danik about it and Danica gave this apology basically if she was ever rude to anybody. Because Danica does have a reputation around Indiana and Indianapolis for being rude to humans. And I assume it all revolves around this time here. She said you're so tunnel vision and so locked in you're just trying to get your car but you got fans everywhere asking you for autographs and stuff. Like that could be a bit distracting. How do you handle the pre-race Jitters knowing that you're about to go to war here for 200 laps and really get after it. Honestly, I see I disagree with Danica. I think the 500s the most controlled race that there is so, you know, we look at like Long Beach for example, and that is just an absolute kind of shitshow of just humans all around your car and you're putting your helmet on and everything and they're asking for a selfie and autographs and like you you have to say yes, even though in your mind, you're like stay away like this is ridiculous. I'm trying to to get in. Car but the 500 I think they do a pretty good job of keeping it pretty much under control of who's out there. But I think the more important side of it is you try and approach the morning as if it's just another race, right you have your strategy means you meet with your engineer all of the normal things you would do any weekend, but then you have an hour of kind of the pageantry and the build-up and and all of the the salute to service and the national anthem and everything that goes along with the Indy 500. Hunter Memorial Day weekend and you can't help but be caught up in that moment. Like there's just the emotions you have because you realize at that point that you're one of the 33 people that are so lucky to be able to do that. So for me, that's the hardest part is kind of coming down from that high and getting back to like that Killer Instinct focused of yes, this is really cool. But also like I have to go do something that's fairly extreme now and yeah a lot cooler if you went to yeah, of course. I can kind of irrelevant I did thanks for the reminder. No, I would love I wanna let you know I thought you won the race yesterday from a public standpoint. Now the end Simon's gonna get a much larger check and he's he's going to have an in an Indy 500 Championship, which he hasn't had before which you already have. So that's all good. But I think from a public standpoint you won the fucking race, honestly, it was awesome to watch Dude. Well, that's cool. That's good to hear man. Because like there were so many people in 2016 like they didn't know who I was was my fourth IndyCar race. Ace I truly I didn't have the appreciation for the 500 I never been to one before so I show up as this kid who? Yes, I was American and grew up in California, but spent the majority of my adult life in Europe and was there for seven years so I come back to this race and I want on strategy hundred percent. We did not have the best car that day. We didn't have the car to the to win the race, but nonetheless we won and people were pissed and and Away, like now that I'm three years removed from that and a full-time guy. Like I can I can almost see that because for me the last thing I want is to go to the 500 this year and have one of like the the part-time guys win. I mean Connor would have been awesome. That would have been amazing but like some of the other people because it just like you haven't you haven't been through the whole process of the year and the build-up and all of that so I get I get why people kind of had that against me whether it was right or wrong. Wrong, so the fact that you know, we've been able to kind of straighten that shit in terms of public perception. I think is really cool. And I'm glad to hear that. It's going in the right direction or just getting good with Alexander things are heating up heating up. Because there's levels to this shit. You know what I mean? There's good. Then there's great. I'll generosity conversation goes from there to great and just a matter of moments. Let me tell you something. That'll be great from jump. Joshua verse Ruiz Anthony Joshua is coming to the United States to take on the destroyer and you Ruiz Junior at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Joshua is arguably the best heavyweight fighter in the world world world holding three of the four major heavyweight titles. He's 22 and oh and has won all but one of those fights by knockout. Let's go 21 knockouts. That's for Anthony Joshua out of 22 fights must-see TV. Ruiz 32 wins with 21 Knockouts as well is looking to take advantage of his first ever World title fight. Will Joshua defend his ibf WBO and IBO World titles or will Ruiz capitalize on the biggest fight of his life. There's only one way to find out and that's on designs own Anthony Joshua verse Ruiz Junior at Madison Square Garden in New York City city 42 Knockouts combined by the two of them. This is going Electric good fight. A lot of Jaws getting popped off hanging right there on his own. Shout out to the zone for not only becoming a sponsor of the show, but putting on what is going to be an electric fight between two heavyweights throwing it all on the line for the ibf. WBO and IBO World titles three titles on the line one fight 42 Knockouts between the two of them. I'll be excited to see if it gets past the first round. Have you wait have you hands? heavy shit from disease own Now back to Alexander Rossi. Well, I think you did an incredible job yesterday when you're driving in real life. Yes, no road rage guy, aren't you? Yeah, it's it feel like not only feels like you're probably ready to go. I'm not my girlfriend is she is like one of the meanest human beings on the planet when she's behind the wheel of a car, but I'm not do you sit shotgun and that's completely okay? No. No she is road rage for me. She's like in the glass. That guy. Yes. Yes people like way worse things than that digs has a question for you. Hey, have you had words or will you have word since the race has ended with? Mr. Serbia? I haven't seen him but we all get to go to the banquet tonight. So I'll be seeing him there. Okay, so you all get put on this awkward Podium to talk you do have to thank all of your sponsors you have to it's it only people in Indianapolis. I think get to watch this. It's the most awkward thing in the history of anything. And what's awkward is they start so it's kind of it's awkward but it's also entertaining because they start at 33rd. So the like the last finish the guy that finished last and so then like he is kind of like 33rd to 25th. They're like giving their SOB stories and then 25th to 15th is oh, I'm the man or woman I should have won but these are the things that screwed me and then 15 to first 15 to Just the guys that are pissed off because they probably had a realistic shot but then get it done and then guy that one's happy. So it's actually really funny. So for those that don't know and Indianapolis, there's an awards banquet every Monday following the Indy 500 and they give everybody a chance to speak. Like he just said everybody goes up on a Podium there asked like hey, you're getting $27,000 check. How do you feel about that? And then they just go into this full speech about their day and it's just like this and that and sometimes there's some Shots taken I'll be excited to hear who took shots of who or if it will remain a professional operation up and there's some drama right because RAM and Sebastian had oil whose fault was that. I think Sebastian's so there were split on the TV it always feels like anytime. There's a situation like it's almost like wrestling like half of them take the one side half from take the other side because they don't want to bury anybody else but it was very much like a well. I mean he did come down real put it on. I think that one is I truly think it was a racing incident like it's I would say it's 60% Sebastian's blame. So like still weighted towards him, but it's not like it was completely as fault. So that's a tough one gram real, so that's how people die. That's dramatic. Hey, no one died yesterday. It seemed like everybody was happy for Simon passion of though Frenchie's man. And again, it's kind of what I alluded to earlier. He's been in the series for what 13 years. He's obviously incredibly talented. He's a past IndyCar Champion. He drives for one of the best teams in the sport. It's really frustrating that Team Penske now has 18 Indy 500s. I mean, that's just that's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah, that's not great. But hey, I mean, it's just a lot of bricks job guys kissed a lot of bricks over there kiss a lot of bricks. Yeah, and the fact that it's only as 50th anniversaries also wild to think about Rossi with like five laps ago. It was It was kind of clear that whoever was in second had the advantage as far as speed in the be was there ever like a strategy in your mind. Maybe wait to make a move with like three to three laps left and then try to hold off with a Lap left. You just trying to get the front no matter when you could Tony C'Mon Tony kanaan said that he thinks Simon kind of set you up for that move a hundred percent. That was the strategy. Here's the problem from when that green flag flew on the final restart and I just got driven by but he was like, okay cool. Bye. I was flat for the 13 laps that it took me to catch black means pedal down all the way throughout a hundred percent deadlift thought it right to the point and I had every setting in the car from a mechanic. I'll Stand point at its most aggressive like qualifying spec that you know, the cars the most on the knife edge the most free and you're trying to get tense of miles an hour and it was to the point where after I was flat for 10 laps not really going anywhere. I radioed to like my engineer. I was like, do you have any suggestions because I'm like out of ideas. I don't I don't have a solution to catch this guy, right they do they were just that much quicker. So like when I got the run it was like I don't want This but screw it. I don't have a choice. This is the only time I've actually been able to close the gap whether he gave it to me or not is irrelevant agreed, but it was the only chance I had and I all I could do at that point was hope that I was able to like kind of take enough air off of his car that maybe like takuma or Joseph would jump him and I could build a buffer with other cars, but I knew that if I pass them I was screwed but I didn't have a choice. Well, there's so much science into this. Fuck. Yeah, but Cuz it down the down the final Whatchamacallit. Oh Simon was weaving back and forth. So you couldn't catch any any slingshot that fucking Derby did it? What used to hey Taco Boy, I sure don't want to challenge. Hey there was talk about potentially him blocking you. Is that a real conversation? Yeah, it was and I mean it's a legitimate thing, but it's also the last lap of the Indy 500 and I don't fault him for it. Like I would have done the same thing. So was it a great? Against the rule probably but like shitty be penalized for it. No, okay, so I'm happy that I'm hiding out in happen by the way, cuz on NBC if the Derby had that type of thing and maybe 500 had that type of thing. He would have been tough. It would be one bad know he deserved to win the race like he was on pole. He led a hundred and twenty laps like that's ridiculous. So I mean, yeah, he was he was gay. Do you talk about social media earlier and you were surprised the response you got do you see this happening more and more because it seems like any car like past said is the last sport to embrace the fact that it's such a personality driven fandom. It's a great call Todd. Um, I think so. Yeah. I mean, I think that there's we're putting more stock in it and more relevance in it. And I think you're starting to see guys kind of personalities come out and a stronger light its kind of Y as you mentioned thank you Pat at the top of the show James and I have this podcast is to try and get engagement because people you know, yeah, it's cool and all that we have the world. Drivers and you know, we have this, you know biggest single-day sporting event in the world once a year, but there's no relatability to that. Like people can't understand what we're really doing. We can watch the NBA playoffs and realize how hard it is to do with those guys do people can't go get in a racecar and understand what it is. So so we have to connect with them in a different way. And the way to do that is we're real human beings with real lives and real funny English it that goes down and we want to share it with you and real lunatics. Two-man strapping yourself to a 220 miles an hour rocket driving 500 miles an hour amongst 300,000 people that are drunk in probably won't remember most of it remember any no not a single minute. Do you know do you realize the fans? Do you even notice the fence they do? So so there's like we have a week of practice leading up to the 500 and for the most part the stands are empty and you kind of get visually used to your reference point. Then and things that you're using is kind of visual cues around the racetrack, but the first time you go into turn one in the grand stands are full. It's almost like turn one becomes 50% narrower because like there's no light coming in anymore. You can't really see through the grandstands and it's kind of a head trip to a certain extent until you get used to it. And in the first three or four laps. Oh, yeah you under percent those fans you just froze. I mean, that was a great answer but your face just froze here. So we're just staring at us. We're staring at a frozen Alexander. I it doesn't look bad to like when my face freezes on FaceTime. Normally it's stuck in like a weird. You look like a model right now. That's good, man. I do I'll let you know. There was quite a cheer on you can hear it on the TV broadcast when you did take the lead. Hell, yeah, that's cool man. I'm thank you. I mean, I'm happy to hear that like that's again such a departure from where we were four years ago and 16. So it's a yeah, but sometimes you in specially in the IndyCar world. What I'm learning all the fans have been fans for 40 50 years. So they got their favorite. So whenever a new guy comes in and shakes it up a little bit. They're not going to love it. You know what I mean? That's the other problem. We need more 20 year old fans. Oh, yeah, that'd be crazy. That'd be neat for me like a 20 to 25 year old fan base of females. Oh, oh now we're talking a lot of dudes out. There is what you're saying a lot of dudes and race Rossi. We appreciate you so much man. Good luck in Detroit. Hurt. I hope you saw some people down at that fucking Gala thing tonight. I can't wait to get interesting. Hey, I'm excited to bring it up. Remember to remember this you won the race from a PR standpoint. I'd say yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks guys. Has there ever been a fight the gulf? Oh, yeah Graham Rahal got out of his car and like screaming in the guy's face and slap the back of his helmet, but at the award ceremony, I mean, there might be this year releasing this tomorrow. So there's like that sees it's no good. Ross I appreciate you so much man off track with Hinton Rossi is a very cool podcast kind of get in the minds of these lunatics that do incredible things any 500 is only one day a year, but I know you guys are professionals the other 364 I can't thank you enough for joining us man. Really really good shit on the in a race to my pleasure. Thanks for having me on appreciate it. I can't believe you you just fisted it though. I don't know how you hold back your anger there and just kick that fist out the thing. Well that there was so much air flow of my finger actually. Don't come what if he was just a good idea. It's not fuck black flag ladies and gentlemen runner-up of the hundred and third running of the Indy 500 but champion of the hundredth running of the Indy 500 from California by way of Europe representing the Napa Know How and ready team the Studly boot up by the way. Congratulations on having sex Alexander, Rossi Awesome. Hey, thanks man. Good luck tonight. Yeah, no worries. Appreciate it. You did you absolutely cry was so it was fun to watch normally I watch at the track right this year. I think I watch from home. It's so much better on TV. Yeah, as yeah, that makes sense. I mean racing is hard to follow. It's not like it's not like a football game right? I gets hard to understand really what's going on. So TV does a much better job well and then whenever people are laughed and then they're in the middle of it. It's like I think this guy is up front and they're like, well the numbers are on the side of their car and it's like it's very difficult to see you know what I mean speaking of like you'll appreciate this. So I was racing I was liking for that the time behind Joseph and they were like, okay you've got bored. Behind and then dailies and six I was like, what did you say that serious? Hey good for Connor, man. Hey, how did you feel when he did such a good job? How do you feel when you saw after the after the bad Pit Stop you like he was one of the victims that you had to pass on your way back up. Did he let you go by easier than the other people so I don't think you realize I was coming as quickly as I did and then when he did he kind of little made a little move to try and stop me, but I thought like I said at that point was he mad Did you get your little fucking shark costume move? Hey see you dude. Thank you so much later. I don't think there's any chance for one hit wonders anymore Let Me Tell You Why low nozick's right. Now. He has so many fans that are so like personal with them that they loved him that no matter what he puts out is going to be a heater. We're in the era of being a fan of the person not the music no matter what Lunas X puts out an X. I'm not saying it's not going to be here. I'm assuming it will be because if you get in the studio one time and you make that fucking old Town Road, I'm assuming you can be able to do it again, but I think the era of one-hit wonders will never happen again, unless somebody quits making music after making one. Yeah, I actually really like the steak and I think it's really I don't unless someone like dies or just gives it up completely and I think you're correct. Yeah, I never thought of it because you're going to get so much Fame. You're going to get an army instantly with that first hit and he's on Twitter very not gonna just disappear. No, he's very active on Twitter too. So he's got a loyal group of following. There's no whatever he puts out next and Their eyes is going to be a heater regardless. Yeah, do you think it could face the issue though of like that was like the quintessential heater. So people are always comparing everything he does and maybe like the people who are kind of in the the bubble fans potentially or be like well, this is nowhere near Old Town Road, but like his diehards in there, whatever he puts out. Next is going to be a better support and no matter what I mean. Look at look at Foxy whenever Kanye released that next one that we have not listened to one single song: Nobody Has listened to any of those songs, though since Always listen to one single song from that. Kanye's album that came out to seven. So nobody is listening to him. But that first week turbos all you guys let's do a numerous times. That's what I was being told. That was me. Yeah. It was you you loved it Nick. I think also liked it. I think there's numerous people that were like you likes was good on it. You got to listen to a new mom was the one song it was less than all mine. I like that one. No snakes in the gym. Sometimes it's a bold-faced lie, maybe not from you, but that's not a yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Connie has this fat just like Drake has those fans everybody it whenever and we By the way have this fence we put on some shitty episodes people. Listen, we're not we're not above it. But I'm just saying of them. We're in the world. This is not what but but we are in this world now where it's like it's a family just like I was telling Frank Caliendo and Clayton Anderson. It's like a family more so in friendship more so than just a fan of the actual talent. That's why people go further for you and I respect it. I love it. But I do fear one of my dreams was to be a one-hit wonder not sure it's possible. No, I don't think it's I don't think it can happen ran today's. By the way, it's a moment silent. Yes. for one hit wonders I get knocked down Chumbawamba. All right, that's the most recent one hit wonder. I'm sure there's no no, I like the fucking Friday song and fun wasn't me? That wasn't a real hit though. We don't think I was getting ready Shaggy. I think shag is a couple other hits. Yeah. That's a good one basket. No talking all this time here Zito talking in this microphone cat's tongue whenever Ross who was then? What wasn't he? Oh soon as raw Sienna T20 a thousand IndyCar cautions. Yeah for the guys in the room who don't know the answers to them. I want everybody that is listening to understand the Zito did a 9 hour stream the other night on Twitch nine hours. He studies show that a boy. Hey could plug right there your talks for nine hours on there, you know, he has an incredible brain it honestly makes zero sense. How scrambled it is in there. But sometimes there's moments of greatness as soon as Rossi got off the phone. I don't think it was less than 10 seconds after a while. She got off the phone Seto goes. I wonder why bad 15 different questions 15 different questions about Indy car and I was like literally we just had the guy on that won the Indy 500 and was second in so you could ask these questions at any given time because the I didn't know there's dimer 1 0 basically solve the mystery of the shame Morris a fake story with the question. He asked after the After and Geoffrey, I would like to make a statement hit it. Do we have a breaking news thing or whatever? I would like to make a statement about what happened on last week's episode following the JJ Watt interview after the Clayton Anderson run wild song debut. Something happened on this show that I do feel bad about. I've told numerous stories about Manti Te'o being catfished. I've talked about professional athletes getting catfished all across the country due to modern technology of dating and fornicating. I've talked about it on more than one occasion. I've talked about it, and I've said that I'm an eternal optimist. I walk into a casino. I want to leave said casino with every single chip in said Casino. Yep. when I walk into a situation, I automatically assume the greatest thing is going to happen people tell you to expect little so that you're never Disappointed I live by the complete different model. I expect the world and if it doesn't come am I disappointed. Nope. Just go on to the next thing. See you later. Let me go ahead and erase it. So when I read a thread a Twitter thread on this particular program, that was 72 tweets long took up two hours of ton. And then we followed up with a Q&A with said guy afterwards was I skeptical of it being true? Yep, of course, you are no digs was very I believe the rest of the room was it may be in the back of my mind. I was like you don't want possibly not true. But the fact that this guy wants so far out of his way to lead everybody astray, you know, they say fiction. Is not as crazy sometimes as nonfiction people say that whatever. Yeah, I've heard real life can be crazier than Fiction sometimes. Yeah. Also quote. Yeah, probably the most accurate one. Hmm. Probably a real quick. The first one I said probably not a real quote is now but I thought potentially Shane Morris and I we're gonna have a great relationship. Okay, whether the MS-13 people killed him or not. I thought you know what this guy I want to give him a platform. Answer some questions because there was a lot of people skeptical of said story it ended up with 60 some thousand retweets this Twitter thread. I was retweet number 98. I almost felt like I had an obligation to get this guy story out there because I could have hit the little Sonic Speed burst thing on that Twitter thread to other people. Do I feel betrayed by Shane Morris know because I never really liked the guy didn't really like that guy. I love this story. Yeah didn't really like the guy right and we actually added it out him reading through the north racquetball man of 50 minutes of it because I wanted him to look better actually and if you come on this show, I'm very thankful. I'm very grateful. So I want to treat you with as much respect and Hospitality just like old green. He does with ESPN. I wanted to give him a chance to kind of answer some questions that people had did Zito ask all those questions immediately after the guy hung up. Yes, but I do feel Diggs hit him with a couple good ones. I do believe the room ask them a couple good questions and he lied. Did I get got I got God mama get my more like a dog. Yeah. Yeah. Amen. So fuck Shane Morris. In fact that Twitter thread But I'm still following them on Twitter and I would like to see where this catastrophe ends. He said he's going into hiding sounds like a bunch of bullshit. Yeah started a GoFundMe to raise money for himself bunch of bullshit. Yeah. I want to let everybody know though. I'm still walking and casino think I'm taking her to fuck another story like that pops up. I'm going for it and you guys are going to have to judge for yourself. Yeah, but the official statement from PMI about the shame Wars Twitter Thread about the MS-13. About coming on this thing is fuck up hashtag and gang hashtag end game. I would like to be just cheer me up after shame or situation. I got got yeah. I like to think I can filter through bullshit on a regular basis. It didn't happen. Hold on. Hold on my luck. Actually looks pretty good fortune cookie this weekend. It said I'm about to be unusually successful in business. Oh, yeah, and I sent it to Foxy lucky numbers were one 12:22 and something else and I just took a picture of innocence of oxy and he goes Pat you eat that thing Number One You're Number number 12 my number and it says you're going to be successful in business. Don't throw our business away eat that thing. So I want to put a rate of up. Let's go. Yeah, I didn't eat it or ships. You are Shameless. You would just waxed your car. You went to the carwash. He waxed it had a looking good. He got on the road a fucking bug hit your windshield and splattered you like God damn it. I just want to wax my car and they're like, oh, hey man have window washer fluid and then it was gone see which is that's what he was because Ty just edited out the whole thing from the podcast from before never happened never happened. Go. Maybe we check out this old part didn't happen exactly can never happen, but for us gone, happy Memorial Day. Fuck them. Welcome Fe. Well for Shane Morris, it's FH. Goddamn it. I can't figure it out. I think again about FZ ha ha. I got no time.
On today’s show, Pat sits down for a chat with one of the most respected men in sports media. Former host of the Mike & Mike Show, current host of Get Up!, and one of the most prominent voices at ESPN, Mike Greenberg. They discuss his career transition from Mike & Mike in the Morning to Get Up! and whether he felt pressure to succeed, he gives his background on how he got to where he’s at right now, discusses the NBA Finals, talks about who some of the people he’s been most star struck around, and rants about the current state of the New York Jets in an incredible interview (2:27-36:13). Later, winner of the 100th Indianapolis 500, runner-up at this year’s Indianapolis 500, and one of the biggest stars in all of IndyCar, Alexander Rossi, joins the show. They discuss all the drama from this year’s 500, and he talks about what prevented him from taking the checkered flag, talks about the emotion he showed that gained him fans around the world, and chatted about how he thinks IndyCar is handling drivers becoming well known personalities in a hilarious and insightful interview (46:42-1:13:01). Pat and the guys also discuss why they think the concept of one-hit wonders are now dead, and Pat makes a statement about the whole Shane Morris situation. Today’s a good one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. 