Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the fitness experiment podcast. We got an exciting one for you. Today. We're going to talk about the game changers documentary. If you haven't seen that one yet will give you a little bit of a background. And then if we have time, we'll kind of leeway a little bit into the carnivore diet. Yeah, sweet.Is that is this game changes it new so it's new in Canada. But I think it was released in the United States like a year ago. And I think it's actually really really really popular. Yeah, like I seen a couple I don't know the sources of this, but I swear I saw somewhere like Top-selling documentary of all time or something. I don't know that could be I could be blowing smoke up my ass, but I swear I saw that somewhere. Yeah, I mean, even it being that even close to being that High super concerning for me. Yeah, okay if you haven't seen it. Maybe just like pause go watch it. I think that'd be best. Yeah without any information from us yet come up with whatever opinion you have or whatever. However you feel about it. And then maybe listen to this podcast after I think that's maybe a good order of things. Yeah. I agree watch it with an open mind. Because even I mean I obviously have my biases about this and we'll talk about the reasons for those biases like I have reasons for them. But even when I watched it, you know, I did my best like before we went into it. I told Keith and I said, okay, I'm going to have an open mind about this. You know, I'm not going to be kind of complaining about things they present and it is a like it's an entertaining documentary for sure. Like I enjoyed it and but yeah, I would agree with that just Check beforehand. You can form your own opinions and then maybe come back and listen. Yeah, okay. So if that's you welcome back because you Poss another back listening to this, but the the basic premise of this documentary is talking about a plant based diet and the effects on performance and Longevity. Yeah and different sort of biomarker test that they did throat and talk about definitely a couple studies. I guess they threw in a couple but they talk about some meta-analysis. Yeah, they did. But okay. So my experience want yeah. What did you how do you feel better? So when you told me to watch it, I asked you what it is about me. Like I'm not going to tell you just watch it and see what it is. So I didn't re-sign ever heard of it. I didn't research what it was about. I had no idea what it was going into. I didn't know what the documentary was. I just thought game changer at that like a new exercise. Sort of setup or some sort of breathe like I had no idea at all. So as it cut as a documentary starts, the initial feeling is like, okay. So this is basically this is for sure a documentary that's focused on guys. Yeah, let's start to finish through it was it was a hundred percent geared towards the male viewer because all their test subjects were male all the athletes that they followed were male everything from Start to finish was all about me. Oh, so it's like that side right away. I'm like, okay. Well that's leaving out a massive chunk of the population right away. So step one and then second not only is it focused on mail but is focused on like the man's man sort of thing. You know what I mean? Like the all the sports that they chose to talk about were very like hoorah Sports, I would say so there's like fighting there was football. I can't remember the other sports, but it was all dominantly male-dominated sports at the professional level in terms of like money earned or viewership or things like that. Definitely skewed more male not saying that females when watch these sports are participate. There's as of lately fighting's opened up a lot to women, which is amazing football. Obviously hasn't at all unless it's like the Lingerie Football League or something ridiculous like that. That's not even about athletic performance. It's about looks and stuff still so weird and backwards, but they trellis those Sports obviously on purpose to make the man's man. Look at this and be like, oh, okay. So this isn't for quota like, you know some the vegan. In diet, I think their idea or the plant-based diet. So I didn't mention vegan at all the whole time. I don't think yeah, that was that was a little misleading to because they kind of they talked about Dairy a few times and then they didn't and they were never really clear on if an athlete was vegetarian or vegan or but anyways, so, yeah, we'll just kind of go with like plant-based that's part of what annoyed me choose a never defined what a plant-based diet was at any point in the documentary. So I'm still after watching. I'm not a hundred percent sure if that means Vegan vegetarian, you know some other spin-off variation of a plant-based diet. I'm not really sure what the what the ideal thing they're going for was but anyway, so they're clearly trying it's a propaganda sort of feel towards a male to become more plant-based and they threw out that documentary that will touch on later. They hit stink like pain points for males and used it to promote their plant based diet idea or kind of felt like an agenda really as I was watching it. That's actually really interesting that you brought that up because that's one thing that never really clued into me while I was watching it or even afterwards. Oh, yeah the fact that but it's so obvious now that you talk about it the fact that yeah, it was totally all males. It was like you said kind of like the quote unquote man's man and that kind of just like yeah makes me think about that maybe even more and I won't say much more on that because I think it'll come up but that is an interesting point that it's just it's cool that you said that I'm happy you kind of started with how you felt because I think that just goes to show everyone kind of has like their own thoughts and maybe different opinions as they're watching it. Yeah, so we're gonna look for me with it. Like everyone has their own perspectives and backgrounds that they're coming in when they're watching stuff for me. Like it's always whenever I watch a documentary. I always try to pick up biases right away, you know, whenever something so strongly biased I immediately like disregard it like this whole documentary to me. I disregarded the whole thing right away because I felt like I was being like preach to Yes, I think one way and everything else was wrong. And anybody who has an absolute idea like that. I'm gonna be skeptical right away. I think everyone needs to be that way, especially this day and age I try and tell people that frequently especially with nutrition because be a skeptic like be a skeptic of I want people to be a skeptic of me like anything. I put out there right? I'd say I say like if there's someone you're following you need to look for rationales and reasons and why like if someone is telling you this is good. Bad or better for you or worse for you? They better be telling you why or at least? Answering your question why they better be putting out videos on YouTube or their site explaining the rationale behind things and how things work. Like if it's just kind of surface like this is good. This is bad because it makes me feel nice. That's not a good reason like you need to be skeptical of that for sure. So I was gonna I did a lot of background research on this documentary. because Well, I wanted to so I'm not going to start by giving you like a my opinion or anything on it. I'm just going to instead. I'm just gonna like I said, I did extra research on this things that the viewer would have no idea of initially so like our job is as coaches as why we run this podcast like my job is with my business. I'm just giving you the information and then you can kind of make your own judgment from there, right? Yeah. And this is I'm also going to explain a lot of the reason as to kind of how and why I do feel the way I do about this documentary. So first thing I looked into was the producer of the documentary. So James Cameron is his name, I believe he's actually Canadian him and his wife own a pea protein company. It's called verdiant foods, and it's not just like your backyard Nutrition Company. Apparently. It's Be the biggest manufacturer of pea protein in North America. So, you know, yeah like so there's that and I'm not saying like that totally kind of disregards the whole documentary because what he's passionate and interested in plant-based nutrition and so he puts out more information about it's okay. That's fair. But still that's a very important consideration right off the bat. I think and that makes that point that you brought up about men. only the man's man a little bit more interesting to me because I think if you look at the population in general as a whole the majority of kind of again these typical men that they're talking about. I'm presenting in this documentary. That's the population who probably eats no vegetables only red meat basically what they're presenting in the documentary, right? So that's interesting to me. So let's go over some of these athletes. So Kendrick Farris, that was the Olympic weightlifter. So really impressive set of record in I don't know if it was like the qualifiers or something for the Olympics. I do believe one thing they did not talk about was his performance at the Olympics. So there's kind of a couple things there. I want to bring up so he didn't he wasn't called again. I'll just say plant-based. He wasn't plant-based for like, you know, like his ten years of training. He was eating meat at one point. Potentially when he was initially gaining all that strength and skill switched over relatively close to this record. He set and the Olympics again. I don't know the exact time frame but the point of that is he already had his strength and skill in place when he switched so you can't really say oh that record was due to the plants and I'm kind of want to explain a little bit more about why that is so they did not mention his performance at those Olympics afterwards. Which was pretty bad. So that was his third Olympics his prior to and he was eating meat. He did really well this third one as he was on plant-based nutrition was his worst one. I don't know what place he finished, but I actually wrote down his his totals here. So the trials When he I think this was when he broke the record, his snatch was a hundred sixty eight kilos the Olympics. He snatched 160 kilos for anyone who has ever lifted weight before especially if you've done some Olympic lifting that is fucking gigantic and Nate kilogram drop is monstrous his clean and jerk the trials 209 kilograms the Olympics hundred ninety seven kilos. That's even bigger for me because I clean and jerk it as you know is more obviously there's a massive amount of technique and skill involved but there's a little bit more of just like a pure strength component to the clean and jerk compared to the snatch where snatch is very day-to-day, right? So if he if he missed so just being Devil's Advocate like say you just had a bad lift, right? He went he jumped from 160 to like 169 to try to be his record on his third attempt in Mist right massive jumped out Urban terrible planning. I'm not sure if that's actually how it went. But that's a possibility of but that clean and jerk like just the absolute strength has clearly been affected at that point. That's what it would show me. Yeah, that's a hell of a good point and now and leaving this stuff out of the documentaries kind of my big problem with the whole thing real skeptic like you pump up the plant-based diet and how he's a world record holder or an American record holder story. And then you leave out the fact that all these other elements and performances to and they're not even touching on the other hundreds of athletes that are plant-based that are competing. Yeah level come on. So, you know again like you kind of mentioned athletes have bad performances is was it due to his diet we can't know for sure. I'm just saying they didn't bring this up in the documentary, but let's keep going. So Patrick. Baboom Ian. That was the strong man. Oh, yeah, so I just want to thank my chops. Yeah, I to good mutton chops. That's probably where you got strength from not the plant-based diet for they kept calling him the strongest man in the world. Like if you have the heaviest yoke walk. You're not the strongest man in the world. Like I actually so I just watched a little bit of strongman competition for the first time like 10 years on the weekend. I don't know why you're doing like 10 different events. He yeah, so that's just kind of that lingo that they were using. Strongest man in the world that's you know kind of misleading. But anyways, obviously very impressive Feats of Strength shortly after the documentary again. I don't really know the exact time frame he had an injury and I don't think he's really competing anymore. So, you know, okay athletes again, they get injured who really knows he has said before this is actually one of his posts on Twitter. He is quoted as saying I use hundreds of supplements to maintain my health. So filling in deficiencies or just using them regardless, I don't really know but I'm going to talk a little bit later on about the in my opinion extreme risk of nutrient deficiencies when you're following a plant-based diet, right but we'll get into that later. Actually. I do want to mention this one last thing. He said most people wouldn't notice this but at one point he said after I started eating plants, I got a lot bigger and stronger. If you're increasing your mass whether that's from kitkat's meat or plants, you're going to be stronger Mass equals force production, right? So, yeah. Now Morgan Mitchel was the Sprinter. She's recently switched from 400 meters to 800 meters people suspect maybe because 400 meters is more. So power and strength 800 meters. You don't need as much power and strength. It's a little bit more endurance based. So hypothetically if you are losing a little bit of muscle some weight, you'd be more Adept at an endurance event. So that's I don't know that's kind of more speculation anything. Novak Djokovic, one of the best tennis players in the world. I think he was actually one of the co-producers maybe of this. Oh, yeah, he has what sense if you look at his timeline shortly after switching to plant base his performance decreased a little bit. He has since Incorporated at least like fish and some other sources of me and has kind of improved performance since doing so so even though he was co-producer he is since reincorporated. Some at least fish Cam Newton. This has been a massive story in the media this year sure has been this is yeah. This is a new one. So it wouldn't be in the documentary but this is probably the best rushing quarterback in the game right now. I think I don't really know shit about the NFL but yeah, definitely no enough more Dynamic. Oh, yeah, so he switched to plant based diet roughly like last February issue, I think and essentially He's just been plagued with injuries ever since and first two games this season. We're going showing he was awful and I think he's still may be recovering from injury. So here's some other athletes. They didn't mention in the documentary. I don't think Kyle kuzma LA Lakers serious stress fracture in his foot since wish Since switching. Excuse me, Kyle Irving injured DeMarcus Cousins. LA Lakers injured Michael Porter Jr. He kind of did the opposite he was I believe vegetarian for most of his kind of High School playing days, etc. Etc. Sorry. This is a football athlete. I think partly it was highly touted serious back injury, I think in college and then I believe has now decided to switch back CC Sabathia. He was just hurt again. I don't know if anyone saw that recently. Him Derek Morgan, which is one of the Tennessee Titans which they featured in the film, which I think was kind of like the Catalyst and recruiting more. He's since been injured career not going so great. As of late. Adrian Foster injured Tom Brady. They showed a picture of him at the end of the documentary. I don't know why he eats more meat than the average American which is a lot because Americans tend to eat a lot of meat. Yeah, and then the last example I have is Tony Gonzalez NFL Hall of Famer who has openly stated before that at some point in his career. He switched back to eating meat again. And then that was kind of like a Resurgence from him. So again, I'm not saying this means still this still doesn't discredit the documentary, but it does my opinion raises a lot of questions because they kind of cherry-picked, right? Oh, yeah big time, but I could cherry-pick this too. Just saying there's a lot more to the story than kind of meets the eye. Yeah, and you could like close your eyes and have a white board of all the NFL players and just throw a dark and hit a name and then research them and it's like they probably had an injury exactly only has nothing to do with you and I it is. Yeah, but I think the point is for you. It's like it goes both ways, right like yeah, they've highlighted they've highlighted. did the highlights I guess of these plant-based athletes, but they've completely omitted the low points and yeah me if you're going to have a well-balanced documentary that proves what you're saying is correct, you're going to have both sides and then come up with the best alternative based on some sort of research study on retiree, but that was obviously lacking because they only yeah the highlight and I think this is important because the athletes were Really the Catalyst for the documentary my opinion. Yeah, like showing them was probably what was so compelling for most people watching it. Yeah. I was thinking it was really engaging and then a good job with that. I had one thing about because I like really follow MMA quite a bit and the clip that they showed of Conor McGregor saying that he was eating two steaks a day leading up to the fight that has nothing to do with him actually eating two steaks a day that has everything to do with the fact that he was just being cocky and saying that he I didn't take the fight. Seriously that was a that was a context of that interview and they took that interview they pieced it out and then place that in there as like, oh he lost the fight because he hates takes he didn't actually eat steaks. He was cutting weight. Like he had to go down almost 25 pounds to get into that weight class. There's no way he was eating two steaks a day. He was joking it was him being like I just didn't care. I so cocky. I thought I was just gonna run this run over this guy and have no problems. Turn out about yes, they did. He did send to her but rather unique. Yeah, it's really very concerned. When I saw that that's pretty much at the start to I was like, oh boy, here we go. Yeah, I think this might be a good time to maybe talk about that this one I am comfortable and saying bullshit. You can't even call it a study when they brought up the Gladiators like for one. It's it's not a study. It was like a like a fairy tale. Well for one, but I heard that and immediately I was like that again that was kind of another indicator to me where it's like, you know, just set all the nutrients stuff aside that will get into is just based on like the other. I don't know what you want to call it like practical evidence or whatever when I heard that when I was like, all right, this is like that's just bullshit. So they said Gladiators basically what they suggested was they they found Gladiators remains that Higher bone mineral density and also found that the Gladiators tended to be eating only plant-based I think was something along those lines. Well for one Gladiators were slaves. They were probably eating only plants because meat and organ Meats were regarded as more like quote unquote prestigious like this is known so they're only giving the slaves the vegetables and then to are they have higher bone mineral density what we don't strength training and resistance training. Any increases that these guys were fucking slaves, so they're doing more essentially resistance training on a daily basis than anyone else. So, of course, they're going to be bigger and burlier and have stronger bones. Yeah, if you were to compare the Gladiators of that time to the royalty of that time, obviously the royalties can have a lower bone density because they didn't do shit. Yeah. They just sat around and got fat like that's what being fat was like a at that time like if they want. To go this route is like that was a sign of success is the fatter. You were the lawyer eats tree and the more you can afford and the less you have less labor you had to do just like if you were more pale it was more prestigious than being tanned like physically tan from the sun because if you were canned from the Sun you were laboring and if you were pales because you were Rich so you don't have to do shit. I just started throwing into nothing. Yeah. And again, it's all fairy tale stuff like nobody nobody was there nobody remembers that know I saw like they had any be real good books at that time either is like extra sandstone and I don't know everybody believed in I think never God's at that time. Yeah, I think a lot of it is just based on like what they're drawing on the cave wall. Yeah. Let's relax about that Caveman Diet stuff. Yeah. I did wanna mention one thing alongside that great. So we talked about injuries. We talked about a little bit about bone mineral density. So we know that like vitamin D calcium Phosphorus so they all kind of work together for bone mineral density. Well calcium really hard to get if you're not eating dairy. So if you're vegan, we're not getting Dairy hard to get it from Plants hard to get it from any other meat sources egg shells are like the highest Source, I believe of calcium. So anyways tough to get calcium if you're eating plant-based. Tough to get for anyone not eating dairy. So that's one point vitamin D is highest in egg yolks chicken or veal fat and lots of fish. There is some in I forgot to look up the kind here, but there is some in mushrooms which would be kind of like the best place for people eating plants to get that from and then phosphorus is kind of like a whole another rabbit hole. But so that's that's just one kind of little Minor Detail that might be going on when it comes to these injuries. That's probably like one one-hundredth of the total puzzle or story but good time to point that out. So what were some of the other studies they talked about there was one? Let's see in order here. There was a they took blood samples after meals so they had like burritos one. Yes, one being based burritos all plant products in the one then one chicken one beef and they use high Quality Meats as well. I think they pointed that out to try to prove like a right equality thing with the meat. And I have no idea what they were trying to get with this. Okay, just being completely ignorant to blood tests and what this means but they're point. That wasn't actually a point because I'm not sure if it's good or bad the after the plant-based meal when I separated the blot out the plasma was clear. You can it's you could see through it to the other side. No problem. And the people that the guys that ate meat their blood plasma seem to be a little bit more opaque. Like you couldn't see through his pretty cloudy. And from what I could tell just watch on my computer. It looked like you couldn't see the other side it was that cloudy. I have no idea. They didn't explain what that meant. Yeah. It kind of just presented. It is like a vanity thing. Yeah, like almost like clear was he good? Sexy foggy doesn't look nice. Yeah, I don't have anything on that. I've known ya get. Uh, I was thinking a lot when they presented that particular point. So I'm assuming what they were saying was again, they didn't really say this, but I'm assuming they kind of I think again, I don't know but I think they connected this to kind of like the cholesterol story saying like hey, there's more fat in your bloodstream after an animal meal versus a plant-based meal. They kind of also I'm kind of lumping this all together because it was a sequence of experiments. I can't remember which is which but they also talked about like some endothelial function stuff. So like basically saying blood flow was Less efficient after the animal-based meal versus The Plant meal. So I think we can kind of like just lump that together in a sense because I have a couple points about that. So first and foremost one thing they never ever ever talked about was meat quality. So if you remember the one football player clearly said I'm used to eating Popeye's Chicken on a day like nearly daily basis, right? Well, no shit that's gonna mess up your blood flow and make your plasma look cloudy because it's deep fried in vegetable oil, which we know is probably the most pro-inflammatory food there is which is plant-based the vegetable oil. Yeah. Yeah, you could call it that but I mean even just aside from that like the fact that they didn't mention meat quality as a joke. Yeah, because yeah, if you go eat a burger right now from Wendy's there's one over there across the street my blood flow after that. Going to be crap because of that vegetable oil at its deep fried in not to mention the God knows where the meat came from and the pesticides and on and on and on so that I mean there's that right there like the guy stops eating Popeye's Chicken for a day. Okay. Well is it because of that or is it because of the plant-based meal the oils is the that's the biggest thing really in my opinion and I know they saw another experiment. What about the one where they talked about kind of like Like the grass fed meal so you'd think maybe that you know, maybe they took care of that issue. Well again, some of these guys were eating Popeyes or whatever beforehand but I think the most important thing here is that remember when they said kind of the murkiness so this probably suggest that there's more fat and cholesterol circulating through the blood again. Maybe there are saying that that would impair blood flow and we'll have to take a quick pause here in a minute because this Go down a rabbit hole. But any time you hear someone try and make a point that this is healthier for you or not healthier for you because it reduces cholesterol like that is pointless like cholesterol is not the problem here. And I think I really do think we need to do one long-ass podcast dedicated to this because there's so much more going on here. And we know now that cholesterol is Is not the issue it's just kind of a flag suggesting that there's other problems going on. I don't usually do a whole lot of notes, but I had to make a few for cholesterol because there is just so much that I didn't want to miss and it is it's bloody confusing. But anyways, if you have high cholesterol that does not automatically mean that there is some health issues going on cholesterol is only an issue if it's in the presence of inflammation. And that's usually also accompanied by insulin resistance. So just to kind of give you an example. So when they were dealing with you remember when they were working with those firemen and they presented their cholesterol afterwards and they were all pumped up like your cholesterol is gone down a hundred points. So there's a couple things going on there for one again. This is a thing you can apply to the whole documentary that most people wouldn't realize and actually this ties in the inflammation point to when they said the plant-based diet. Reduced inflammation and people so if you reduce your body fat, you are going to reduce inflammation automatically again that goes for view reduce your body fat by eating Kit Kats. Only if you reduce your body fat by eating meat only if you reduce your body fat by eating plants only your inflammation is going to improve that's just what happens that also means you're probably going to see a change to markers of cholesterol. That's just what happens. So the reason I bring up cholesterol because there's been so much research in recent years showing that it's not the enemy. So I always tell people I don't know if I've mentioned this on here before not but I always tell people it's like It's really like a paramedic at the scene of an accident. So an accident is a it's a terrible scene. There's Carnage everywhere. But and you see those paramedics that are all the paramedics didn't cause the accident they're there to actually help clean that up and try and resolve the issue. So that's what cholesterol is. So if you see high cholesterol, it just means that there's High inflammation you have insulin resistance and then there's high cholesterol in this region in that tissue. Because it's trying to resolve that problem like cholesterol is beneficial. We need that like every time you make a cell you need cholesterol. It's involved in transporting essential fats throughout the body. We needed to make vitamin D. You needed to make sex hormones like DHEA estrogen testosterone. So this is why low cholesterol low fat diets will just plumb it to stas Turon again transporting these strats. Or the body which we like cells are literally made of fat. So we need that if you look at cholesterol in the brain, which I should mention off the Forefront the cholesterol circulating through the rest of your body doesn't really get into the brain and we don't really know like probably maybe some of it does maybe it indirectly affects brain health. I'll get to that. Anyways point being the brain has its own cholesterol. It makes its own cholesterol and it is like you need this shit if you have low cholesterol in the brain, you're going to be messed up. So there's something in the brain called myelin sheath, which is this it's this fatty insulation that wraps our axons. So just imagine like Just imagine the the coating around a wire. It's kind of that same idea. So you can speed up or put it this way the signals that you pass through out your brain move faster if they're wrapped in myelin. So we've all heard of multiple sclerosis. The problem with multiple sclerosis is that this myelin is destroyed. So people lose their Milan and this is why people with Ms. Go through Like kind of good periods and bad periods when they're in that good period there Milan is holding on when they start to decline. They lose Milan and then as they improve again, that's when some of their Milan starts to come back. Milan is made from cholesterol. so it's pretty important that yeah, and again the cholesterol in your diet does not directly we don't think effect that cholesterol in the brain, but At that being said there's lots and lots of studies. This is in rodents and some in humans also showing that if you change the amount of cholesterol that you're feeding someone there is changes in the brain. So something's going on whether it's a direct effect or an indirect effect would be like just a Global Information. Absolutely. Yeah, because I mean there's so many roles of cholesterol. The other thing I didn't mentioned we've talked actually we recently talked. Vile so you ever you release bile to break down the fat you consume. So when you consume healthy fats, they're healthy because they're high in like vitamins a e DK they're high in omega-3. Will you don't get any of that unless you release bile and you need cholesterol to make bile. The other thing people don't realize is that I think it's something like 80% of the cholesterol in our body is made from our body itself. Only 20% is affected from diet. So again, if there's inflammation insulin resistance, and you have elevated cholesterol, The diet. Yeah, it's obviously having an effect which I think I just showed you is not a bad thing like he needed it. But what more so what's probably going on is that your body's jacking up its own production to try and help this issue, right? And then the last thing on this might not even be the last thing on cholesterol, but the last thing I wanted to mention was that so people are probably still wondering, you know, what about all these studies and they probably mentioned a few of them in the In the documentary like high cholesterol heart disease high cholesterol stroke or on and on and on. This is these are associations studies. I don't and I don't know if we've talked about this yet or not. I'm just getting mixed up because I've been talking about this so much on my Instagram lately Association is not causation. Yeah, we had early going on that the correlation, right? Yeah. Yeah. So people again if you haven't heard that one go back and listen because this is really really important. We see I'd actually talked about this. With a high school class recently, like basically what they do with these studies is they'll follow a massive cohort of people for say like 10 years and they say, okay how many of these people go on to develop like heart disease or diabetes or something like that? And I say, okay this group a went on to develop that group be to not they'll then go back and look at their diet using self-report. That's the other thing. Yeah, and they'll find oh group a that had more heart attacks. They ate. Red meat. Well, what else were they doing? Like they also ate more prone flavor. Tori vegetable oil. They eat more sugar. They cared less about their exercise and physical activity, which we know people who read more red meat tend to care less about exercise. There were probably eating overall less vegetables more of the process crap more likely to smoke some studies don't even consider that I mean the list goes on and on and on and so for them to to say that it was from the red meat. You just can't do that. They also don't look at quality. Like we know that process red meat is shit for you. Yeah, if if you're using that example in this documentary will know shit. Nobody's arguing that yeah, like they're loaded with nitrates. If it's a process meat it's going to be high in these it's higher and pro-inflammatory Omega sixes. It's higher in these hormones these pesticides like we know that shit. The other thing they don't look at is They don't look at this is another thing I to know I don't think a lot of people are aware of they don't look at how the meat is cooked. So one thing they mentioned in this this was one of their reasons behind apparently, why meat is so bad for you. They mentioned a means am I NES? Well, so there's a couple different kinds like heterocyclic amines. One of them is called there's zero heterocyclic amines which are the toxins. The raw meat you don't form those until you cook those and they form their if you hardly so if you eat like, you know, like medium rare, for example, the a means are very very very low. If you CH are the shit out of your meat the a means our high as shit, so when you're barbecuing when that fat drips into the flame and blows up those are creating a means, so that's why it's better to either eat meat like, like I said, like rare medium rare that type of thing use a cast-iron skillet is the other Sample or use the oven and so that's another like massive red flag that they just didn't mention at. All. Right. Yeah, that's crazy. Even with the with the firefighters things with their points dropping. They don't even mention the fact that you're probably taking a group of individuals that eight Maybe by looking at them. It's I'm making an assumption here, but they weren't world-class athletes or anything. No, right. So we and you don't get to being over fat. I eating well you get to be over fat by eating poorly and beaten. Yes. Exactly. That's how happens. There's no other way that happens. That's that's the way that it happens and there's literally no argument for that. So we're taking these individuals with poor health practices. We're guiding them to a more health conscious Focus sure to plant base. It could have been anything though could've been anything more health conscious of what they're doing. Their health markers were there I'm using quotations because they're using cholesterols like lower cholesterol is house marker. Yeah, but things are going to start changing or inflammation is going to go down because you're not eating the shit so they don't need as much cholesterol circulating through their blood. It's just not need I could yeah. Yeah, like I said we need to do a whole episode I think on cholesterol because like it it's to the point where it's like causing harm and I'm about to show you why that is. Yeah because I didn't even get into a lot of the brain stuff. So but before I mention this, so we talked a lot about why why cholesterol isn't the enemy why you actually need it. So before I show you why low cholesterol has been Blake in damn near like a hundred studies why low cholesterol has been linked with depression and even suicide. Let's look at the other side of the coin if you're avoiding cholesterol, which again if like going by what they recommend in this video you would be if you're eating primarily only plants and fearing cholesterol. You're not going to get a lot of that. So what's going to happen there while maybe those hormones we talked about or not necessarily going to be optimized but one It's like to me which I think is probably what explains some of this. I'm going to show you is that remember what I said about cholesterol and bile and how that relates to omega-3 so we know that Omega 3 is I don't think I need to go into detail about why omega-3 is like one of the most important nutrients on the planet like you're basically overdosing this as an infant like it's what your brain is made of all cells in your body needed that reduces inflammation, etc. Etc, etc. Omega-3 hard to get on a plant-based diet, especially sorry I should kind of emphasize primarily if you're vegan, because then you're not eating marine animals. So you're not eating fish. You're not eating eggs. So what most vegans will do is they'll try and get it from like allergies. So, okay cool because that provides what's called Alpha Look acid a la and we can convert that into Omega 3. In fact we have to sorry. So what if you consume a la which is plant based omega-3 we have to in our body convert that to the EPA and DHA which we would otherwise just get from like egg yolks or like salmon or something like that directly in that form already. Yes. So the problem with a la or trying to get your O3 from plants is that the conversion is shit. I had these numbers so women the conversions pretty bad. You'll convert roughly 21 percent of that into EPA roughly 9% of that ended DHA as still pretty terrible 9% DHA to that's the more important stuff men atrocious 0 to 4 percent eat. 0 to 4 percent that is converted to DHA 8% converted to EPA. So like not to mention there's also Gene polymorphisms. I've seen these on 23andMe which a lot of people have which will reduce your ability to convert a la into those Omega-3s even more. So keep that in mind as I show you this now, so this is just a handful of studies that like I said, we're starting to find out now that not only is cholesterol not the enemy, but in fact low levels may even be like terrible. So 1 1993 paper published in the Lancet, very prestigious Journal men aged 70 years and older with categorically to find depression were three times more common in the group with low plasma cholesterol than those with high concentrations. So Depression was more common. If your cholesterol is low the other one looked at depressive symptoms in men from age 40 to 70. They found that men with long term low cholesterol had higher prevalence of depressive symptoms. So most of these are men which makes sense based on what I just showed the poor conversion to omega-3 and I should mention on the other hand, there's lots and lots of research showing that omega-3 improves things like depression. It's just because of its functions and what it does in the brain, but here's one with women. So among 300 healthy women aged 31 265. This is in Sweden women with the lowest cholesterol suffered from Lee more depressive symptoms than to others and other one in Ireland low levels of cholesterol or linked to higher ratings of depressive rating scores 2008 study looked at bipolar disorder 20 of the people they looked at had attempted suicide at some point in the past the other 20 had not so both cholesterol and blood flow fat levels. A lower on average among those who had attempted suicide. So it's ridiculous that not only is it linked to depression but it also seems that you can end it. No, I want to emphasize that some of these are like, you can't State a causation effect here, but, you know based on the mechanisms based on the amount of data, here's more foreign 17 patients who had attempted suicide at some point. I've hospitalized psychiatric patients who had not results of the study suggests that low cholesterol is associated with suicide attempts and like the list goes on and on and on I probably one of the most important things that I forgot to mention cholesterol is involved in making serotonin. Well, what's the most common antidepressant treatment? It's a drug that basically elevates serotonin like it's fucking crazy. Yeah. and this is just This is honestly just like the beginning of the rabbit hole. And another one we need to I'm not going to get into this right now because I'm I don't for one. I don't really have it memorized at the moment. But just like the history of where these recommendations came from in the first place like why we've been told to eat low cholesterol. It's it's bloody controversial and we're starting to find out why? Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's crazy. So yeah, those are big percentages to yeah, like it's this it's not really even trivial know there is Trivial for how that goes. Yeah, so that's just about the cholesterol thing. I know almost probably for like 12 to 15 other nutrients that we haven't even talked about it have about 12 minutes. Yeah. All right. Let's take this something that was kind of just in the order. So the next thing they did was essentially measured. Each individual the same guys that they tested the blood plasma. They tested quote unquote their vulnerability. That's a good that's a good term for it while they were sleeping. Yeah and came up with a correlation that if you ate plant-based, I'm not even sure what the time line was. They weren't very clear on. It sounded like one plant-based meal before bed or something. Yeah. That was like I don't to be honest. I don't even have a good explanation for that. But it was just such a bullshit. So put it this way if they would have presented good conclusive data through the rest of the movie and that presented that I say, okay, there's something there but based on all the other stuff and then how they presented this like for one. They're not they gave no explanation about how they're determining this data. They were coming up with so like who knows whether they fucking Jimmy rigged it behind the scenes. Yeah, but let's assume they didn't like this is three. Jules those three guys were a little bit more stressed when they eat one meal or the other that's going to reduce it because the cortisol is going to impair testosterone like it could be as simple as that it could be because they removed the Popeye's Chicken and then gave them plant-based. I mean that one's yeah, it's to me it's not even worth like arguing because yeah, I'm thinking of from a practical standpoint. How good would you sleep into rings wrap wrapped around your Johnson all night? Asleep how you know you see the contraption they had to put on a good sleep and Noble with that thing on the whole thing showed a little bit of the live video though. Yeah just seemed but a massive stretch, but hate it wasn't surprising to me. Just seeing the pain points that they were focusing on throughout again with that like male predominant Focus. They had I forgot about the one female stranger. That was the only female yeah documented 600 and the cyclist Just right. Yeah, so they had to they miss they didn't find anything but they didn't really talk about the female response to died at all. But it's like it's classic pain points for males. Right? It's the doctor says I have high cholesterol high blood pressure high stress jobs combined with inability to perform. Yes, like That's that hits the heart for a lot of guys. There's a lot of people that would struggle with that Y is why I grow so big very wise Pfizer has got me so big like multi cuz no one eats cholesterol. Yeah. So when they do it comes from Max, I mean that up like that. That's that but that's another reason why I think that particular study is just such bullshit because you literally need cholesterol to make testosterone like again, I didn't show you studies where If you have higher levels of cholesterol, then you're going to have higher levels of testosterone zinc like studies show that if your zinc is low. Your testosterone is going to be lower. Well, guess what? It's hard to get zinc from non meat and animal sources you can get it from like nuts and seeds but there's a there's another problem with that that we might not even have time to get into Vitamin D if that's low I already mentioned why that's tough to get if that's low to start. Roster owns going to be reduced and then there's like a whole slew of studies showing that if you eat a high fat low carb diet and a low fiber diet. I literally have this quoted here. They show that testosterone was increased. So if you kind of look at the specifics of that so the study let me just reiterate the study showed high fat low carb low fiber increase testosterone. I think it was by 13% I'm pretty sure this was like a 20-17 study and international Journal of Sports Nutrition or something like that. I'll look it up in a minute. But if you look at that, they're basically advocating for the opposite basically reduce your At least reduce your cholesterol and they're saying higher carb. Definitely if you're eating all these plants and fruits your carbs are going to be high and your fibers also be behind. Where did I have that? I can't find that one. But I do have another one here. So another study that they referenced. Do you remember when they said something? along the lines of like When they compared athletes on like a plant-based diet versus non, whatever something like this. They said I think they said like lean muscle mass was equivalent or something like that during that period it was kind of just like squeaked in there somewhere. So this exact same study. I looked this one up one thing they did not mention in the documentary muscle carnosine and creatine were lower in the athletes. Who are on the plant-based diet the same study also said? Veganism creates challenges that need to be accounted for when designing a nutritious diet such as getting adequate B12 iron zinc calcium, iodine vitamin D as well as omega-3 fats and those are some of the ones that we could have talked about. Maybe we can still squeeze them in here. But let's focus for a second on carnosine Creatine and then we can also probably throw carnitine in here as well. Those are ones that people see in supplement stores actually. Yeah, so these are all very very very hard to get from. Bass die like this is I mean, this is one thing that I think even if you're on a plant-based diet, you probably already know this that very least you should be I think you should be aware that it's very hard to get carnosine creatine carnitine. So creatine talked about this a lot. But we know how important creatine is for obviously athletic apart it performance but also massively important for brain health. In fact, there are studies showing that if your creatine levels are lower, For a traumatic brain injury before a concussion then the injury quite often is worse. We also know that creatine supplementation can help with a concussion. We know the creatine supplementation can help with neurodegenerative disease even so there's a lot of preliminary data showing that it might be beneficial for things like dementia and so on and so forth because creatine increases ATP that increases energy and oftentimes with these brain disorders. There's just no available on So anytime you can bump that up. So that's why I mean at the very least. You literally can't get creatine from a plant-based diet. So if you that's something that needs to be supplemented carnosine. Yeah. Another thing that people are probably aware of if they use a lot of supplements courtesy in itself is like an antioxidant it's involved in kind of dealing with like oxidative stress that type of thing but it also will increase production of beta-alanine. So the something bait out and I was shocked for that before. Self's the buffer hydrogen ions and muscle. So basically what it means is it will prolong those feelings of quote-unquote lactic acid that prevent you from carrying on pushing through so that like they said specifically in this study which actually referenced in this video that was lower from those eating plant-based diet. And again, that's very very very well known that seen across the board because it's very high and meets hard to get elsewhere. We're and then the other one is carnitine. So another one that people probably see as a supplement carnitine also has antioxidant effects transports fatty acids into the mitochondria to be burned as energy. This is also very very very commonly low on a plant-based diet. Those are ones that were literally stated in that study. Yeah, the study that they chose and I think that's my fundamental problem with the documentaries. Just any it just doesn't tell the whole story and whatever you do that your You have a very strong bias. It's almost propaganda like and you're not giving the individual watching the documentary the full picture from which they can choose for themselves. Right like watching that documentary. It's not going to make me go plant-based because it didn't convince me, but somebody else may watch it and get very inspired and then drop all meat products go completely plant-based with yes concerning. Yeah without Knowing the things that you're talking about right now in the concerns with that now are you saying not to know you're saying there's a very specific way that you have to go home about doing it to make sure that you're getting the things that you need but not explaining that a balances best and leaving that part out or not. Even yeah that is best. Maybe that's the wrong word. But just seeing that side of it like this is somebody who eats meat and Lands, and this is how you know, their structure is compared to a fully plant-based diet, which they didn't actually Define at any point in the documentary either. So I'm not sure what that was indeed and then like a pure carnivore diet, which is another thing that we can talk about on another day because I know you yeah down that rabbit hole a little bit lately. There's so many things that we've talked about yet. We have two minutes left like got a quick one. Yeah. I'm actually just going to Kind of try and summarize as much as I can. So let me first just so for one. Let me say that and this is this is better to be talked about when we get to the carnivore diet, but there's a lot of water called anti-nutrients and plants and vegetables and nuts and seeds which is why it's not best to get all of your vitamins and minerals from those sources. So there's things like Not even try and get into these but there's things like lectins oxalates and phytates all of which essentially what they do is they prevent you from absorbing all the vitamins and minerals in Plants vegetables nuts and seeds. This is why there's such potential of the carnivore diet because you're removing that but also a lot of these Foods by having those three things I mentioned they can cause irritation inflammation gut issues. So again, why do so many people find experience from Specially autoimmune issues on a kind of our diet is because you're removing those but even if you look at the individual vitamins and minerals in Plants versus animals one example being vitamin A so vitamin A if we consume that from animals, it's called retinol from Plants. It's called carotenoids. We have to convert the plant-based into the animal form in order to use it. And again, the conversion is terrible. There's another B vitamin I forget which one it The exact same way like you can only use the animal form. You have to convert the plant one first, and it's not as efficient. And then the only thing we didn't get into few seconds here is if you look at a number of vitamins and minerals, like I'll just go down the list here. I'll and I'll just wait 10 seconds cliff-hanging. If you go down a list of vitamins and minerals. And look at what sources of foods are highest in them. If you look at say like vitamin A B2 riboflavin B6 B7 Biotin and we don't have time to go into the functions of all of this B12 choline vitamin C vitamin D. Those are the major ones. We already talk to it like Carnegie and creatine, etc. Etc. If you look at the top sources of those for every single one of those that I just listed it's usually above all else. It's organ Meats, especially the liver so Just to kind of like hint at the carnivore diet. That's why it's so beneficial is because you're supposed to incorporate these organ meats. And those are the highest you can get these from like I said from plant sources, but sometimes the amount you have to eat is like astronomical like pounds of like nuts and seeds and that's obvious problems with well. That's all. Yeah. Like I said, that's a whole another rabbit hole because those are packed with what I mentioned the phytates oxalates the lectins. They're also rammed. Listen to calories. Yeah, and they're also ran with omega-6, which if you're only eating plants, it's hard to get omega-3 easy to get omega-6. You're not getting much omega-3 to balance that out. So if you're just piling on a bunch of make six on top of that will guess what your information is going to Skyrocket even more and so there's yeah there's just so many things and like we kind of said like it's not even it's to the point where it's like damage. and harmful Right. Yeah. So yeah, hopefully this gets out to as many people as possible because like we said there's there's we've been contacted by people already. You see it on social media, etc, etc. People watch a documentary like this and they go. Oh, I think I need to make the switch. I've even I said before we started recording like I've even had messages from some of my clients already who watch the documentary saying like Jedi have some questions about like plant-based. I think I want to switch. I have some questions about how that will like increase my performance, etc. Etc. And I was like just wait for this podcast. Yeah, and this is just like we're just skimming the surface. This is probably going to take two more since I would think yeah to get through all the points that that need to be made about it. But at least we covered the basic idea of the documentary and the most obvious flaws with that and then we can get into more detail because I don't think we should leave out your detail that you have I see you're no it's like there's so much it will need to know both sides and I mean Unfortunate part is they're not getting proper research presented to them through the documentary. So you'll have to go and do your own research on that side because I don't think either chat or I are even interested in researching that part because it's just so flawed but presenting the whole picture right from the other side. I feel like that's going to take a couple more hours. So definitely, I guess that's what we'll do. We'll try to Kind of re listen to this one and fill in any gaps, I guess that we didn't you get didn't get to fully explain yourself. And then I want to start with that. Yeah on the next one. And definitely if you have hopefully people have some more questions and response to this one too. Yeah. Yeah, the more the more feedback you guys give us on this episode The more we can come prepared to answer those specific questions next recording and yeah, just bring more clarity to it. But at least we got this scratch the surface. It's a little bit in this first hour. Yeah, I know you got a lot of things are still a little itchy. Yeah. Yeah, we got way more to talk about with this topic. So if you feel like wow, I don't really know yet. It's okay. Just bear with us for help more weeks. We'll get more information now. All about it because yeah, we have a lot to say you got a lot here in a lot of like good practical information people can take and actually yeah, I'd like to think so apply. So it's just the well, we don't need to get into that. It's just that it's this top-down approach right like the shit that you hear the cholesterol, especially but it's obviously linked with this like we talked to mood it's such an agenda like based on. Not based on human health. So hopefully this can get out to more people. Yeah. Yeah, share this one with your friends and then some new listeners with some New Perspective and fresh ideas will help us organize our next calm orderly 7 get the right information. We didn't even talk about the I'll just say this as we kind of go off the air they said there's equal, you know, we didn't even talk about the whole amino acid protein thing. We're Not Gonna but they said a peanut butter sandwich has the same amount of protein as like three ounces of beef or something like that. So that's a fair reading the peanut butter with the bread because they're both each providing complementary amino acids to provide all nine, which the meat already has all nine. But anyways, you have to eat 5 tablespoons of peanut butter to get the same protein has three ounces of the meat. Yeah, so So, you know again trying to watch your weight if you're trying to bulk up that's amazing for you like go for it. But if not, I don't know if you ever tried eaten five tablespoons of peanut butter, but on one thing I went ship calorie difference. There is like a few hundred you'd be like a dog peanut butter on the roof. It smells for the rest of the yeah. Yeah, and if you're eating it in school you're screwed because you know like to bring him. Yeah. Don't kill Timmy don't want that on your conscience. All right. All right at least two more hours of stuff on this so stay tuned.
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