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Welcome man. It's AfterBuzz TV. It is Wednesday. So we're reviewing the challenge War of the Worlds. Obviously episode 8 Liar Liar. We got a jam-packed episode tonight, and we have a jam-packed panel. We got all four of us here. My name is my name is Ian of us here. Thank you so much for tuning in to my left is Dan Lindgren. Hi. Hi over. There is Pamela grows, too, and she's going to be bringing the oh, no you twit in segment a little bit later on to make sure thank you for that. That and then all right P David's tire David had a flat tire last week so he couldn't be the best but he has back here tonight and he is our fitness Guru guy, so we can't wait to talk strategy about tonight's Challenge and elimination. So thank you all for joining us. We're going to get into everything like I mentioned we had a great vintage elimination push or pull their we're going to get into we're going to talk about the girls Heat and the guys he we had a good Brain Freeze ice cold ocean challenge tonight. We had a lot of drama a lot of love circles and triangles lat Lights bear in Georgia. We had a hunter bear, Georgia triangle a lot of beef stew go over. So we're going to get into all of that. We got our special segment later. Oh, no, you twit it sweetie sweetie. We're still trying to work out how this but we're going to go through some of the great tweets from after the episode tonight and then hopefully get into some predictions with that midseason trailer. So really excited to talk about it overall thoughts guys. What do you think about this episode after we just drama challenge drama elimination? Perfect form? Matt I'm in love with Weston D great team love the teamwork. I love that West lies to build that confidence positive reinforcement and we get a midseason trailer and it looks amazing. Yes. Also think that Wes is MVP. I really liked the competition tonight. The elimination was on fire bear there definitely is something to be said for not taking anything seriously because as much as I want to dislike him and I do he's kind of hilarious so I sort of see that but he's kind of a bad guy. Good episode. I will second the on the west. I love West man and especially in this season. He's just like I can't wait for him to find just let go, you know, I mean, he's so preserved but I just-i can't-- I want to see bear get punched in the mouth. I really do that's West Coast home David we talked about this but I mean if there's some way that they're in elimination or something together just like if it was like a competition that we should tonight, that'd be amazing, you know, so if something happened somehow, I'm very anxious to see see. Yeah, okay. So you want to see him in a physical elimination with bear because I'm curious what you mean by reserved one time because West a smart. Yeah as as he was saying taunter. You don't have to read it. Blown up West was the other guy and he's right everything you said is absolutely right, but I still love to see him. Yeah, you know, I feel like he's not that much older than these people in age, but he seems like he's like decades old and just the way that he handles himself. Yes. I can't sit. He's been he's like the the parent at the party was able to say, okay, you've had a Alcohol, let me walk you outside and give you a good talking to you. So you don't blow up and punch somebody and say something. You don't mean so he's kind of been the voice of reason if he's probably like maybe five maybe eight years older than people were maybe something not even that my general. Maybe he's like a good 15 years older. I know Wes and Hunter I bet I have no idea but Wes is he's like the designated driver of couthe throughout the house Consciousness, right? Good reason. Yeah. He's just so good at the game than that's how I'd really like to this point. He's played almost a perfect game West us. Do you think politically though because I agree with you guys? I think that he's competed really well and him and dear great athletic team, but I think politically he's kind of struggling. I think these can't lines is going to be hot and heavy and hard to break up and his one aligns with Hunter is seeming to kind of bite him. It's interesting you say that because I always think that West needs an enemy in order to achieve one team just go after the entire time bananas got eliminated very early and took him a couple episodes West to find that new rival and he went after bear. That seems to be how that's going to work for a while. I think in a way I went West wants Bear gone, but then once bear goes, what does West do next? Yeah, it's kind of nice that it Bears stick around for a little while longer but maybe till the end. I have no idea you bring up a good point. I agree with that but he does best when he's bouncing off someone and he doesn't have Wes and dr2 America or not part of the UK Alliance and he's does not really have a tide of Davon. So I think they're a good team to sort of have as your scapegoat to go in. Against all the time and they're yeah really good. And with that being said not to discredit Davon and bear at all and they went and they kicked ass and I thought Dave on especially performs amazing and she really proved herself and that was all her because it was weren't it wasn't her and they're doing anything that they could have communicated together or him taking a little bit more of him getting more credit over the elimination. That was all her competing against Jenna so not to discredit them at all. But that being said, yes. Erin Devon have come back now after two eliminations, but I don't think that they've really seen a team that's outmatched. Right? They haven't faced an ani or Turbo or an Ashley or can wear a poly or Natalie. They haven't seen that team that's really gonna wake them up. Right? Like they're kind of just and they've deserved everything they've had and there's actually a sneaky good competitors much as we want to think. He's like a jokester in a gimmick. Uh-huh, but he competes pretty well, but I still don't think that they've seen that team that's really gonna like knock them off their heads. Yeah, prove them wrong. Well, we kind of Call that too. When he had the choice to choose like Hunter or someone we knew were like dude. You're not gonna call Hunter. You want to go home you'll go home so that I think obviously chose which and least my opinion. I think we can all agree the easiest team of a group and I mean, I think that speaks for itself, you know, so, yeah, like I said, I'm anxious. I want to see him go but in someone right but those are the rules of the game they get that choice true and I think in that Kalimba Nation when bear knew it was going to be physical. I think it's very smart for him to choose absolutely someone at least maybe has a chance to guess because even though I don't This is a great competitor. He could have he did win one of them right obviously. So in you could have probably won both of them if his hands didn't slip so yeah, and for my drama standpoint and just go TV, let's be real we all forgot. That's and Jenna were still there when we were going over who they were their options to pick. So I mean losing them as not really going to affect the show that much from a viewer standpoint. Like I feel bad, but nany lost her friend, but other than that I do I can care less. Sure, we didn't get to know her. I don't feel like I did in Jenna was Jenna who seem like you feel worse that somebody lost a friend and somebody logs at stake that they lost their opportunity to win millions of dollars. Absolutely. I don't know. It's interesting. You say like we didn't get to know Gus has personality everyone I talk to I don't watch floor Bama shop. They all said Gus has like this great personality did not see it on the challenge. I know nothing about him your first season I think and all he did was just he got hurt over and over and over and over again and went home. Well every every every challenge you heard shell that's that's that's a show drama was with between Zack and Amanda so he didn't get brought into Political drama because of his vet and he wasn't hooking up with anyone on the show. So he didn't get it. He didn't have a storyline. I'm doesn't mean that he doesn't have a great personality. But I also think I mean, okay, maybe on that show. He's a great personality, but Now you're also throwing in a show where everybody's almost essentially a great personal, right? Yeah. It's a big pool. You can't compete with the Bears that you're not going to compete with a new Bears going to be the star of this season as far as the newcomers for me as a rookie. Well, let's get into the nitty-gritty of the episode. Alright Enos. Trust me. I remember House Baron de Von have just one right? No. No, Cameron Ashley. Sorry I'm going back to episodes coming - I've just won this climbing up the elimination that can't go back to back room to talk about it. It was a gossip. But we see the UK Alliance getting stronger and bigger. We see Nani has pissed in her room and then we get the face time that we've all been waiting for so bear is in like this room that looks like a movie theater. Like I don't know what room this is the challenge house that he gets to FaceTime his Friends, his is haunted. I I want to assume that like during the week they get a certain number of calls home. They just never show you only see it when it makes sense for the show. So we are you know what we actually only ever see somebody on a phone call when somebody's cheating on somebody we saw with Tony. We saw it when Brandis upset about Brad. We only ever see a phone call away cheating. What a coincidence. I do think that they get like one 10-minute thing a week. I think that that is that I somewhere read or heard that but bear preface is a situation by saying, you know, this is my ex-girlfriend on-again off-again up in the air girlfriend. And when I left UK was just up in the air how convenient again so he's on this face time and I love this is such a classic bear. This is such a classic. Sociopathic lying cheating man, what's going to happen next? So she says is there anything I need to worry about and he goes, well, I like he can't hear her. Well, I'm sorry. What was your question? How is everything? Okay. Yeah. Thank you. You don't answer so that Georgia over here this and I love the way she handled it at first because she goes throughout the episode and we see what happens but At first she barged in there, she's like, oh, yeah, they're everything. Everything's cool here. Everything's good. Catches him in the ACT calls him out in front of everybody. Obviously, there's nothing else to do in this house. So this is basically like their version of theater. They get out there. They have this whole Saga this whole fight in front of everybody. She seems to have handled it really well in the beginning that she takes it head on she understands what's happening and looks like she's going to move on from it. Would you guys think I also think she handled it superbly she wasn't crying or throwing a fit. She was calling him out and she said like what you're going to sit in there and hide which he was which was funny because he Bears always got something to say. Say and she was handling in Amateur Cool hurt, but not going to give back not going to back down way and I liked it at first is it is it at all weird to anybody again that just somehow someone happens to hear someone on an important? That's definitely stage. I mean, we actually get it stay tuned. I like that little Segway the little teaser stay tuned for news or on Twitter or tweeted news and gossip segment all of it. All of it work. Yeah. One of them if this is in theory really Bears ex-girlfriend on and off again, why doesn't he just tell her that right? You know, he makes it even worse by saying it's his cousin and then if he is dating his cousin, he's got a whole nother set of problems, but I just don't understand why he wouldn't just be like look. It's an ex-girlfriend. But like then again, how does he get out of the fact that he says oh, but I wanted to give her a call. But why would he give her a call? If it's your ex girlfriend, like whatever you want to call yesterday or furthermore ex-girlfriend be saying do I have anything to worry? A about is anything going on I should worry about it's like it's a lot she worried for your safety there. Why did they blur out his ex-girlfriend like the picture of her? Why can't they show? I understand that's the rules of the sign a release but why but if they lose this job because I know what if they knew this gonna be good drama, why wouldn't they get hurt? They can easily email her release she faxes it back in and Bam his girlfriend and his cousin. She just didn't want to be on the show and I didn't get it on time. He was showing was like, so Sociopathic tendencies that he can't make eye contact but you just keep saying it's because it's because it's becoming all right, you're not fooling anybody when I was at your cousin first off, but it's almost like I don't respect him at all. But him forcing this lie is almost like what you spit out this lie to everybody at least I guess he keeps with it being supposed to do now say no it's not my cousin in front of everybody even though everybody already knows I guess he - he couldn't have lied any worse and I still got Georgia back. So come on now. What am I doing here best moment that was in the Bedroom with the guys and he's like your cousin's hot. He's like she is hot. Maybe they got to see her. We just didn't because someone comments about she knows who Georgia is so I'm very curious. That's that's weird too. I mean, they were all friends before they got on the show while the UK people. So they're obviously in the same pool of yeah, and that is the T. We need fam. So someone tell how knows a friend someone knows so let us know in the live or twisting us a message about how Georgia and bear knew each other, but another thing about bear. That I wanted to say because I wasn't super familiar. He was in a million shows in the UK and he doesn't look like he's a super good competitor, but he won a show that it's called like on a desert island or something not Survivor, but he won a show that's like a almost survival a show. So he is better than he looks obviously which were sort of seeing now. Is he pulling a Kyle is he? I think he is and I think I would like bear if it was solely for entertainment purposes for me. Me but I feel bad for Georgia because she seems to have genuine affection for this person who obviously has some affection for her but is just a I don't think he takes anything seriously and I suspect even her just wants kisses and cuddles. You just don't kisses and cuddles. He's having fun. Yeah, we're gonna get into how they get back together and everything about thoughts on that later in the episode. We're going to get into the challenge next before we do Pam has a message for y'all I do. If I didn't do now, I do have a message for real. 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So West puts her through a little West swimming Clinic as he's one of the best swimmers the shows ever sees the cutest swim I've ever seen in my life. I think she's the she look good. She looks so pretty. So then I was like, oh my God, it looks so pretty swimming. Yeah. She can't you can't you can do you look she look good swimmer. Dad's got a crush. Goodbye good lines through the water. She kicked ass and great. I was thinking that whole time even at the soon as she got into the water. I'm like dude. He's the one that can't swim because you see Are struggling you see all these other girls who are doing not just as bad worse than she is. Yeah. I felt like Maddie on the other hand just like literally clumped through the ocean was one that was not struggling like it just felt like she was able to walk. Yeah, he walked on water. I thought it was going to be a lot tougher it honestly didn't look like they were the bows buoys were that far out those puzzle, but you just think it'd look tough. I didn't think the puzzle pieces were as far out as they made it seem and hardest part of getting in and out of getting yeah ocean is getting in Out is the hardest part. I thought anything of look bad. I didn't think look bad at all. I'm sorry that me cold and the waves are crashing one is in the oceans like 5939 does not ice cold ice cold to be 33. Yeah, I I grew up in the water. So I don't I'm a bad example of this but I think I would have been just fine. Yeah. Okay, once you get your first dip in there and then you're moving Bodies Warm where the waves is our when prices are crashing is the hardest trip again, didn't you instead of like going in a waves coming you just go under? Anything you need just like bam it into it. She did it. She just slammed into him like well if it's too shallow for you to go under the wave yet, but once you're past that point once you're past the crash and you're just chilling you're floating, I like getting in and out you put your back into it put your back into it ice cold. It looks like everybody was struggling and it's so shocking like if you ever if the shower goes cold when your water too cold water, it's like your second your heart stops to feel like you can't move any muscle in your body like your heart stopping in your kind of Was in gasping for air and they're saying these I don't think it's that badge and I think the Titanic we've ever done and they were struggling dieting and the warm-up probably had their adrenaline pumping so that they were able to do it. What I'm curious about is how deep the water was because we didn't get to see a lot of actual swimming, you know wasn't like anyone was swimming. It's not water can be really deep even if it's not that far out. Yeah, but it seemed like you know, they Weren't from what we saw it looked like it was sort of standing the whole time. But again still props to D because if you're scared of water and not a swimmer, it's still very scary and getting beat up by waves and stuff. I think the puzzle for me probably been the hardest part. I don't think it's for me to have that that would have been too bad. But I think the puzzle that would have been kind of hard. When do you think it's hard or do you think it's just it's a puzzle and sometimes it just gets you I think it's more of the fact of like you have all these pieces here and you have to figure out with no kind Idea, which one goes first. So I think that would probably be the challenge. I feel like the base in the top so you can narrow those down pretty quick because it has to be flat throughout the whole way. Well, I take those out corners of a putt right, right. He knows I take out right away. It's that middle section I think is going to get tricky with all the different little pieces dying off. I am a Tetris lover. So this kind of puzzle and Tetris for you more than exactly the more than a different kind of puzzle. I didn't think that this puzzle eyes looked so hard because what we were talking about well, we were watching Is in some puzzles, you can get really close to the end and be screwed up in this each puzzle needed to fit. So I don't think there was an opportunity to stack 9 another 10,000 said you have to start over like it seems like you have to be correct all the way which is a nice example one you don't know where you start over and that's the most frustrating. We-we'd itself out throughout the way. Yeah, and it's just that's what happens when you do a puzzle. You do one thing wrong and then your whole Minds messed up and you're just the distraction in your mind. I'm trying to get it right and figure out where you went wrong is completely distracting you from ever doing it, right? So you're just that much. Yeah yourself up. Well, you're already saying Dan you're like, oh, it's too hard. If it's too hard, I quit. Absolutely. I'm too lazy to figure out what's wrong. I'm done stupid remind me never to partner with you on that one. Before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. 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Yeah, you're right that makes me that endeared me to her more because I am very confident when I'm wrong A lot of times and I'm like, yeah, it's totally left and it's like it's not a left. I'm like finally left. Let's go right. No, I agree with that's like okay fine. I'm equally as passionate about being right is wrong. Let's love her energy. Do you must win even though she gets back in graph? So turbo and nany come next and we get this amazing like drip Dragon Ball Z at it of Turbo, which Like that still affects coming out amazing. I just love everything about him and I love that. He does this weird like isolated ninja down by himself every time after two imaginary. No one it does look as though he's going to pop up in a different form like him, but he's transforming but it was like a Mortal Kombat finishing move to me and it really comes down to the puzzle. I think the puzzle really screwed up a lot of people and God I'm really confused. So after that after d and west wind at least from what editing shows us, it's pretty neck. And neck with the puzzle and it's anybody's game at that point. So then Thea Theo Theo and Cara are the last to finish and that's our tribunal. That's true. That's true anything more than challenge before I move on to the tribunal. No. No, so the tribunal goes pretty quick and easy, but I have I've mixed feelings a little bit of an issue with a tribunal of this far in the season. It feels to me like it's a little bit pointless for three teams to be winning. Every week because there are so many teams that are putting up a burned vote every time and it pretty much comes down to one team spearheading who's going to go into elimination. So it doesn't really make sense for me to for there to be three teams of the tribe, you know, every time because you know, the same teams are going for the same exact people every time and then there's that 13 that's always going to put a bone. Sorry a bird vote in and then leaving whichever team that burned vote team can agree. He's with with the spearhead a team and they go in. You know what I mean? So Wes and D. Obviously want Bear right Ani and turbo don't really care. They throw in a burned vote Cara and Pauly are gonna go for Kyle every single time. So nany just decide between do I want to go Kyle or do I want to go there and Davon it's just obviously they're just kind of all picking one team. Anyway, I mean, it still adds a little drama because you still don't know if Kyle and or you know, the other team is going to go in which about bear dig away, but you didn't know which those teams they were going to that third. I was going to then go for it adds a little more drama to the show, I guess in a way. You're right. I mean, I think either way it works fine now, I don't mind I don't mind it when it comes down to elimination. If I'm a team teams that are voted into the tribunal after the tribunal wins, and it just the three teams. They shouldn't even really be that mad because I think think they have only like a 10% chance more to go into elimination than any other team in the house. Right? Any other team can go in but there's always going to be another team but they're okay. So I see what you're saying, but theoretically also in this instance like tonight's episode. Everyone was sort of against bear because he was a jerk but on other episodes other than the long-standing rivals and especially when it's not a team that's able to vote in one of their long-standing Rivals a la Cara Kyle their drama from inter episodes and you put me in last time and I'm gonna get you this time like certain people that make new short-term enemies for lack of a better term and then when that team calls them out then you know, okay fine you're gunning for me. So I think it still adds a little bit of drama at this point. Yeah, I mean, I just think Penny every single team should be worried unless you're in the tribunal and you have absolutely so just kind of like if I'm voted in. I'm still had just as much chance to go into elimination as if I wasn't in the tribunal ring, right if you know, I wasn't one of those three teams. I'm still one of those open Team. Yeah, but I like that if you do win if you do an elimination get that next week off guaranteed because I love that new add-on. I think that's that's nice because I think the producers like, oh the same team keeps Voted in every week this way we get a variety of people having to go through maybe an elimination and it's narrowing down who the team that goes into elimination gets to pick because now it's almost like there's three teams in the tribunal and then there's only like three or four other teams to choose from so it's kind of making it harder to pick a team to go into elimination. Yeah tribunals doing for me now. Just keeping people safe for me. It seems like right that most hated team is always going to go in. So I feel like the voting just kind of is losing its purpose but I like those top three teams are safe. That's all. Most more than that the other people have an equal chance. I like that. It's like you can't pick these people this way. It's a little more even to you don't have so many you have you have more teams that can stay to than if there is just one person that one then those other four teams would be up for elimination as well. So I kind of liked it. There's more safe teams. Yes everything I learned I learned it at all just from the point of that the non tribunal teams. It's almost as much of a you're going into elimination as the one team picked. The tribunal yeah, but were saying that we enjoy that there's kind of safety. That's just how advanced to the tribe as I can't help but feel like the tribunal is a little bit pointless half-and-half at this point. It's not like the only people and it makes sense. There's not many teams left. Let's be honest. It makes this season's going by as we saw in the trailer. Maybe that's why it's now broken apart. It would see everybody's on their own now, so well not until is he a tribunal next episode. And by the way, this whole tribunal the courtroom scenes that they do every week. I like when they're like funny mad, but tonight West was like man almost like fake man who's trying too hard to be mad. I like Wes, you're so much better when you're being cocky funny mad. He look like really matter like it's coming off not real man coming down. Yeah. It was just laughing. I love West but this was lame. I was like, I like Polly like him a fight you fight stop it. They they just they should have fun with that because it's done. Usually what's that game guys? Let's have fun. The joking and messing around with each other you all know you're going to vote from Kyle is the best he's having so much fun. Yeah, right because she splits her looks like she wants to play with me. I'm like Kyle you're getting the game you ride is goin on in there man. Yeah, and and I kind of think he's right. Seriously. I don't know if she still wants to play with them, but I still think she likes she still likes having him around as you're like little pain in my first he lets. Okay. Remember when she flipped him off going into the water he gave her a little cute. Look that's cute. They're having fun with each other still not something that's cute stuff. We have to go into the going out party nighttime again, magic Hunter instead of Magic Mike Hunters really working for his money that night. He was giving it ashkan dance pretty well. And as well, he was doing some spin moves. I thought he liked dropped out for a split for a moment. Sure. There's a lot of sexual tension between 90 and Hunter and then Bears gotta go and destroy it all because thanks a lot Barry just jealous. You can't let another And a girl get there get there thing going on. So we see bear plotting in the corner tells Davon we're going in and we're going in for a hunter in Georgia. Meanwhile, he's lying this whole time. He just want to stir the pot when she does the best. He might have to be better at it than Johnny Bananas at this point. So he he does start the fight with Hunter he starts yelling at Hunter and it's this is where I get annoyed with bear because it's the same thing every time actually I should be more annoyed with Hunter for buying into it because it is the same thing every time with their he just every single person. I'm always going to be you. I'll beat you every time that's what he says. I will beat you every time like that's his slogan. So Hunter buys into it because Hunter can't control his temper. He's a little bit of a hothead he's got liquor muscles got everything going on. So he goes back at bear at first but George us Georgia starts defending their honestly she does so then I agreed that I think Hunter takes it out on Georgia when Hunter should take it out on bear, but I And that Hunter feels betrayed by his partner and behind the scenes. We probably saw Hunter be there for Georgia. Georgia were probably showed Hunter she was upset about bear and he probably offered support and condolences. I was like you're stronger than this you're better than this. So I think Hunter feels slighted and betrayed when Jordan says leave there alone. Leave him alone Hunter. You're the wrong one. Let me counter but I'm sure but then so for Hunter then proceeds to take it out on Georgia, I think in the wrong way and degrading ways, but I do agree that you know, he can be angry at Georgia for that. So there's a lot going on here. I for my what I saw bear started it Bears an idiot Hunter, you know responding exactly as you said like way too taking it seriously and responding Georgia wasn't saying are don't yell at bear. She was saying Hunter he's an idiot. Don't get in a fight. You're my she wasn't saying dude. There's great. Don't yell at him. She wasn't defending him. She was saying he's an idiot. Yet he's an idiot sit down sit down. She said he's an idiot Hunter. Don't fight with him. I thought she was just trying to stop him from popping off. I missed that defending bear and then he's like shit Avid stay out of it. And then he starts yelling at her worst insultingly than bear was or where's insult to her. I felt I should try harder and over. I heard he's an idiot the hunter sit down. He's an idiot stuff. Fighting for so George was calling the next the neck how she was telling Hunter. He's an idiot. Don't fight with him. Like don't get involved. Like don't let him this is what he does the next morning the next morning Hunter expressed that he was upset with Georgia for always standing up for bear. So that's where I'm okay confused about the idiot things. I didn't hear that. Okay. Well back to Hunter's apology. So we're Are We There Yet. One two, well, we do have to say that they get back into the house and Georgia. Does the know Georgia you were gonna do this you were going to be strong tough chick? And here's the thing about George. I think she is the strong tough chick when it comes to Hunter but she lets bear walk all over because she's got the feelings aside. So she that's the problem to me. It's the one that made her hysterically cry and feel like and bear cheated on her. So like she was like the things you saying to me in front of everyone worried. They ship you can't have a girl that the sexual stuff that he said, but then the sexual sexual Of the hunter said was not good, but then bear said the same type of sexual stuff like I'm gonna go hook up with I'm gonna I'm gonna treat her like crap and then still have and let's have sex with your partner. Yeah role model, but he is saying every pair is awful. I'm not I'm not defending bear. I'm just saying that he is seemingly playing a character that is an asshole and Hunters letting it really get to him and his genuine response to what I perceived as her trying to say stop. You're my partner sit down. He's an idiot was to lash out at her in a very inappropriate. Well, listen, I think so and I love Hunter but it's like dude cool it man like Wes, so I'd like the challenge is not one with your muscles. It's like it's one up here and you're losing your he said, yeah, that's that's exactly you said perfectly and I think I understand Hunters anger. I completely get it and I think he's he has right is Justified for being feeling that way but obviously what he said and what he acted was, you know, you don't talk to a girl that way so I that's that's sucks. Yeah, and then you know with bear like I said, you just want to punch the guy in the mouth and I think it's just the mixture of emotions and feeling betrayed and the her just kind of popping in and it's just a lot of pussy alcohol actually even makes Wes lose his cool and was like Wes admitted Bergen I a believe that bear has the ability to genuinely get under your skin and make you flip out and push her buttons just the same way that he gets under your skin and makes you fall back in love with him point, you know, I respect her feelings and her emotions. She has a right to Upset, you know the words Hunter chose were degrading. However, I do. I think the ultimately it's all on her. She went she got back together with bear and trust me. I've been there. I think all of us have been there once or twice you have your weak person that you're going to go back to I'm disappointed in her, but I understand that her emotions are so attached to this guy and she feels hurt by Hunter her partner. She feels alone in the house. So you go to that one person that you think cares about you, but the fact of the matter is it's going to take you a while to figure it out, but he did quote-unquote cheat on you or have another girlfriend play you out so you Really need to hopefully in time she'll get over that I think in this moment. She's having a very weak vulnerable state in the house where she house is getting to her. She feels alone. She feels emotional show. She goes back to Bear But ultimately I think everything starts with her in the situation. It's her fault for going back to bear and she shouldn't have defended him in the height of the fight against Baron Hunter because bear cheated on her and Hunters your partner and that's what's going to get you the money. So, how are you going to defend bear? So I think I don't think she was defending bear. Okay. I've actually got involved and hunter say I said sit down don't get involved and lashed out at her. It'll in a terrible way. And also you should have your partner's back. He shouldn't be engaging that's all whole a different story. I get that bears the worst and I'm upset, you know, because she deserves better and I wish he wouldn't however I think part of supporting your partner. Is kind of just having a back that doesn't mean you've you insult them and slam them for or judge them for I wish that she wouldn't as well. But if I were in a game with her and she was my partner and I made her I think Hunter made her feel worse than bear was her Comfort bear. She turned to for Comfort enough to punch the irony. Right, and I agree that I think Hunter went into it with an apology with the best intentions, but he's just as he's very much at fault as well because as a temper and he needs to learn how to communicate better. Yeah, 100% and wait, I don't think that he's wrong for his feelings. I think the way he executes them is wrong. It is control your temper while his apology was BS. It was what I like to call an apology. Like I'm not apologizing. In fact that he said that I'm just so sorry about your relationship. He didn't say you're saying it like a normal person if he acted like that. He didn't say it like that. He said I'm big enough to know when I'm wrong, which I was like, okay Hunter good. I'm sure and then he said whatever he said and then he said but and she said listen and he said no no. No, I'm done with you and start out and stormed up and she's like, you're not even letting me say anything. Can I talk a lot? She was talking normal and he turned into Zach and was like, we're gonna go with uh, and it's it was a over the top and I usually will defend Hunter and I do like Hunter but it was Over the top and crazy she seemed totally normal to me. She is a big girl who can make her own decisions. I again did not perceive it as her defending bear in that fight. I heard he's an idiot sit down. So okay him lashing out at her. I feel like Hunter was a hundred percent wrong and should have just said I am so sorry for the horrible things. I said to you last night period end of story. So then let's leave it to the comments. I love to hear what you guys think about Hunter Georgia bear this angle all we know is that bear brings out the worst in everybody. So thanks babe. So let's move on to this elimination. It was a classic we got push or pull we see that no surprise. It's Barren Davon going back in but they pick Jenna and Gus and bears. Excuse is that that is the closest person to them home to Nani who Nani made the final decision to get buried a bond in there. But as we probably concluded it just seems like the best physical match the best chance that I got ya so we get into the The guys he first and Gus you had it man. God Mom are gonna and then his hand slipped such a bunion. That's what's frustrating because like it's hard to take this loss because it's like by default, you know, I mean, it's like Bears tune is horn like always but it's like you you kind of didn't really win man. You know what I mean? Like he won because his hand slipped off. But yeah, I did it a wins away. I named it again why I get it. But I mean he beat himself. You didn't beat him. It's frustrating and then the girls at least in my opinion. I was just I mean Dave on Kick, but she had a good I was just pointing Jan like I thought she could perform so much better like you looked at me just because everything that they wanted to go home and see Zach I didn't I don't think she wanted. I just don't she wasn't in it. She was just kind of standing there and nothing got no fire. She could have physically beat Dave on I think if she had it in her if she had the momentum she didn't yeah, she had no she wasn't I wonder she's like mentally afraid of Devon for centuries. I think Dave Andrews had more of a fire maybe that's care Jenna mentally maybe it wasn't as much the physicality as it was like Dave ons pissed and Gem is a Jenna's a little bit more timid and but we have see what she could be Amanda but we just didn't see it. We see now I might be wrong as I just don't remember so many challenges that we watch test Jenna Dunn like a very physical elimination like this before she was Amanda. She was fighting that big old platform actually made a worse for Jenna in the end. And if it's where the Davon called out west. I know that she heard was Everyone was yelling outside, right? Everyone's yelling out stuff and put the neon and put your back on and leave me on their back. So whatever Dave on West can talk to his okay. That's the thing though. And that's also got me watch those girls. Like they're standing up there straight. They're yanking. It's like that kind of junk you don't do that. You do not want you want to stay very low to the ground. You want to use your body weight. You want to try and keep that freaking bar as close to you as possible right? Then that's when you go down to your putting out albums your French in you're putting your knees. Yeah. It's like Jiu-Jitsu in a sense. But thank you want to just keep it on the ground. Let me ask you this. They were saying that they wanted to be on top but low to the ground. I don't even being on the ground and just like spinning like an alligator or something. I think that would work too. So I'm not even sure being on the bottom is that bad of a spot and since there's only one because when when Gus was on top he his his he was so nervous and sweaty hands you lost its own right because I mean and then he got back up in obviously pull too soon. But yeah, that's the thing. It's like yeah, you want to be low on this one and that's where I saw a lot. They're just like upright and it was like you're not going to get leverage that you're going to get that big. Yank. That's what Jen and how tall she is. Just like that, but I thought the guys played a lot dirtier than the girls as it should have. Well, I don't know you'd be surprised girls can get dirty like pull each other's hair pull each other shirts elbows and mouth. We've seen members Sylvia Melissa last year. I mean if you played any girls for grunt like soccer, it's everything. Everything is on the plane. I honestly think Jenna is good. I think she's a good competitor. Maybe if you're running a lot or like doing stuff. I just don't think like physically like if it's gonna be like brutal, but I don't want on one. I don't think that she's good at it. She wants and save on good job kill jobs, and it's because she won this bear gassed out. We saw him win one round, but the other right? Yeah, they both won one. Well, he won won by default and then he gassed out on the other hand. We don't want it to fall. What are we doing? Here? He be kind because he only I don't want because the guy's handsome. Goblet. It's not like it's the name of the game. Hold on longer. And also if we're talking about playing dirty a lot of people would fry. Pain that Gus was hitting him with his fricking hell you do that. So you do that's that here we go. More Tech that that's the name of the game. That's what you do. It's a fight. That's that's what it comes down to it. Whatever. Hold on longer. That's the Only Rule you're right. You're right and that's why they want. What do you want? Yeah, don't you say a technicality? I'm just throwing that stuff Luke because I think Gus had a rookie bonehead move and he had it. What is bears bear? Not a rookie. Are we forgetting because he's so good at this show. I'm not I'm saying that Gus had it in the bag and I think it was his inexperience that ended up making it not happen for him one rookie figured out the other did not yeah, but you're right and they went home and I also agree we've seen Jenna cop out on a lot of other things in the past before you're right and she's like, I'm not gonna get like hit in the face, right? So Dave on a bare back in the house, but we got some segments to get to yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Oh, no, you know, no you twit. Don't work it out. Okay. Okay. So Dave on went on Twitter after okay, this is regarding the Georgia and bear FaceTime call right ons and Bs. I don't care what you went back there until Georgia before she went back there. She smirked and said oh this is going to be good. I'll be right back. I said, please don't get her and she came back to the front with Georgia. Don't believe the hype. She's saying she is Cara. She's okay. So Dave on is referring to Karan the situation saying that Cara overheard that bear was in the FaceTime room with a girl and car went and fetched Georgia and brought her into the situation and then Dave on continue to say don't even get me started on how they were playing to set of Georgia by Wes using his phone time to call Bears girlfriend had the cameras ready and everything to make these two women look crazy. Don't play with me. Hashtag fraud car responds by saying hey. Wes: Bears on the phone with his girlfriend someone grabbed Georgia me grabs, Georgia, Georgia. Stay with me, please me thumbs up. I would always hope girls would do that for each other who is Dave I'm saying is trying to look Craig. Who are they saying that there she's there just trying to be made to my question. First of all is how is what Dave on is saying change anything? Of course, they wanted Wes who's of against him and Cara who of course, they want him to get caught cheating so that Wes isn't a liar because he basically called him a you know, Proud out. Why? Is that like? Why is that wrong? Why are we supposed to be crazy? They've answered they're trying to make these two women look crazy, Georgia and the girlfriend. So Dave on which they didn't come they didn't come on crazy some natural reaction from a girl hearing the guy that she likes to talk to somebody else. I think it's every right to wet. Why wouldn't West wanna get that that going west hates bare or doesn't want during the games. Perfect. I mean, I guess it's not that it's not T. I just think it's like wilt I'd rather I'd rather this. Oh, I wanted you know if car I'm Polly to be like well, we wanted Kyle to get caught doing something. Of course you would that's not very surprising. I'd rather this than the producers having a hand in it, which he may have but I this looks like it was chalak ask related. I like that retail was masterminded it gray or not. I think John's argument was there's a better time in place for it instead of making Georgia humiliated in front of everybody and making it kind of a scene you could have taken her aside and said hey, BTW bear just did this, but I think Georgia needed to she needed to see that purpose. I agree. She didn't believe it when told them she went back to that anyway, but I'm sorry guys. We didn't get to do music gossip. We got into our little segment because we detect a bassoon, and we clearly all had a lot of different opinions, but embrace the bait. Thank you guys for joining us episode 8 recap of the challenge War of the Worlds Liar Liar. It's a challenge join us here every Wednesday. My name is Jonah bussiere. I'm on Twitter and underscore bus here. Thanks. 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Bear cheats on Georgia with his cousin, and she forgives him. Must be a UK thing. Dee learns how to win in swimming fashion. Was Bear beating Gus a fluke? Did Jenna lose her fight? Did Georgia defend Bear and was Hunter too hard on her? We discuss / fight each other. About The Challenge After Show: The Challenge, a mix between Real World and Road Rules Challenge, featuring alumni from the past shows as the contestants compete for a cash prize, is such an insane show, we HAVE to talk about it! That's why we have THE CHALLENGE AFTER SHOW! Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show as we go crazy. It's going to get bananas because there's basically a different guest each week! About The Challenge:  It's every player for himself in this edition of the long-running reality competition "The Challenge," which for the first time shuns team play and awards a final prize that could exceed $500,000 to one person. The fun begins with 28 cast members -- fan favorites from "The Challenge" joined by contestants from "Big Brother" and stars from MTV UK's "Ex on the Beach" and "Geordie Shore" -- in Spain looking to settle personal vendettas. In a new twist, players who survive grueling elimination rounds are awarded "Grenades," allowing them a chance to get even with anyone in the house with whom they may have a beef. It adds up to a competition spiced with heightened drama, doubt and deception. ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 