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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESP n of T v-- talk now. Look The Buzz. Teen drama music and drama music after school special music that's what it sounds like what's up? Everybody should boil em, gonzalvez. Here. We are here for the affair after show. It is O G9, once again, you know whoop-whoop-whoop-whoop next to me. Of course my a one since day one. We've been holding it down since season. On 1 April wasn't having a building with everybody happy to be here. Yes. Yeah old see from there it is. There it is. All right. So let's get into it. First of all, what did you think about this particular episode you excited before we started watching. I was excited before we started watching. Yes, but just whoa, I literally feel like shook in my body for multiple reasons body in my body for multiple reasons in both of their parts. Like I Tell they kind of of they're making a bigger deal of Alison again and Noah's part and then obviously what went down with Joanie. I literally like multiple times. I had tears come to my eyes definitely for sure favorite episode of the season so far. I like how they're starting to wrap things up. Would you think I was it was refreshing to see Noah and Whitney getting along? I did like that obviously when the Season started they kind of had, you know mended fences. She's kind of been you know, you know, very cordial to her father and you know been able to spend a little time. This is the first time I think that we've seen them just together by themselves, right? So they went over to Montauk to go look at dresses and kind of just get ready for a wedding because she's supposed to get married at Helens parents house, right? And so I thought that was great. I thought that was great because I mean there they've had a tumultuous relationship the Are all the entire? Yeah, I mean the entire series like ever since the affair happened with me was not feeling her dad. She did not like her dad and she made it known countless times. So to see them together and getting along. I really really appreciate that. I love that very much the second half of episode with bin Crews and Joanie was crazy. I was not a kind of my mind. Okay, it's going to go like this. She's gonna go over there. She's gonna pretend you someone else and then He's going to figure it out and then they're going to get into it. Right I did not see the flip coming with her leaving and then coming back and then he just twisting the whole thing same but both women die you and I obviously our mouth dropped to the floor. Like we actually gasps it was it was insane. It was crazy insane. Let's get into it. So for the first half we talked about as we mentioned it was Noah and so him and Whitney are going to Montauk and they go to Helens parents house and we had heard about Bruce's. Addition and how he's deteriorating with Alzheimer's and everything and so to see it present. We're literally he goes in there and he like, you know, Bruce has no he is he says like Hi, how are you? I'm Bruce Butler. Right, right. Oh Helen are not Helen Margaret tells me you're a writer. I always wanted to be a writer. So the thing that made his very existence and made him so pompous and whatever in the past, he doesn't even remember doing is so again kudos to the writers because Does that is so genius? Because just you said it perfectly that's what made him and that's why he marked large reason why he had the distain for Noah because he felt like I'm a better writer than you your ass up. Our writer. You really should be doing something else. I'm pretty sure season 1 episode 1 is when he said that quote that Noah has to help him with tonight that everybody has one good book and I'm not everybody who are very few. People have to yes. I was like whenever he said that I was like, oh wow. That's a big a great reach around. It was such a great region crazy to see you know, obviously this is a big a big thing going on for them. It's made them, you know lose a lot of their money. Obviously, they still have their house. So, you know, they are doing okay in a certain sense, but everything's completely different for them now which just goes to show and not that this is in any way making light of his condition and or whatever but it goes to show like be nice to people while you can because dear God you really want people taking care of you in that situation after and like thank God Margaret is they're taking care of him because he was a pretty big douche bag to her. Well, what's also interesting is, you know, Noah gets so much flak because literally this season is called the affecting the series is called the affair, right and it's because Noah cheated on Helen with Allison. That's how we even get the series hair. Right? But I feel like we do miss the situation between Bruce and his wife because he basically was Noah. Yeah. He I mean they almost live parallel line. She was an author knows an author he cheat on his on his wife several times Noah did the same thing and so we see a nice almost like Bruce is getting and now he's broke. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And it's like Bruce is getting kind of payback for all the things he did because he was such a pompous. Jerk. Yeah, you know to everybody even including his daughter Helen. Oh, yeah majorly and think about whenever you know, really just taking it back again whenever Bruce And Noah have this conversation forever ago. I think also of season one. It was almost a thing, you know, everyone kind of knew something was going on between NOAA and Helen obviously they didn't know but Allison at the time but when Noah has the conversation with him about like the woman that he wanted to be with the Bruce was in love with this other woman for years and years and years, right and but he never left her because they had Helen and you know, he was gonna be a good man to do the right thing. But then he's like I think about her every day. I still love her you gotta go. So that almost like pushed no one I didn't but you know when people say things like that to you, he was so enamored and so in love with Alice and at the time that it was like, oh my gosh, I can't imagine not being with her. So it's just an interesting situation that I'm sure we probably won't even get much more of because there's so much else that they need to do with our main characters obviously, but I did I like that they're giving us kind of like the little wrap up absolutely on him and it's even weirder that he thinks that Whitney is Helen and he's dead. Awfully good think it if she ends up going through with the wedding and yours Helens old dress. That is crazy. Literally. No, it's like no, this is your granddaughters, right my daughter like you're really bugging right now and then he cracked the egg over the Open Fire. Yeah, that was really bad. And then we you know, we talkin about no money problems. And this was never money was never an issue before right one who's ever tissue a boar before and we see that Margaret tells Noah. She's like, yo someone give you the quote for the tent, you know. Grand you got that right? She got that right? That's what you saw was like yo and talking about weddings are expensive. So that's what I kept thinking like, you know, we know Helen isn't in the greatest of situations, but also it's a little confusing money-wise because Noah does have this big book coming out but we also know that he you know technically went bankrupt because he was put in prison corrector killing man. They didn't kill correct whatever I say that because I want to touch on that later, but and you know, I'm like Helen you're so loving this. Oh, so, you know couple few million dollar house. It can't be that tight. So it's a little confusing but it's you know weddings are freaking expensive and for us to know just from what we've seen in the and Whitney's part, you know, a couple of episodes the whole time. I kept thinking like I don't even think she really wants to have this wedding. So why are we doing it? Well, I think it's a first of all we got to look at it. If nothing if no one would have had any changes in their financial status. It would have been tradition that she goes. Get married at her grandparents house and they would have probably took care of everything. Yeah, obviously for everyone the situation is different for Bruce and Margaret for Helen for Noah. Everybody is not in the same Financial. I mean, no was just coming back and he was talking about. Oh when they were talking about Finance. He's like, oh I got my Advance coming. But again, no one is Rich this point no one it is well off and so Whitney is looking at his like yo, I really I think she honestly think I disagree with you in essence I think. She does want it initially but she sees the pool financially that it's going to be so her thing is like and and speaking of broke her dude, and that's sirohi can't help at all. So I think she's looking at us like dude. I don't want to deal with this because it is embarrassing. Yeah, and I really, you know, if this is the situation at hand, I really don't want to worry about it, right? I'm in at more. So in the sense of like does she actually even want to be married which obviously They talk they comes out later later. Yes, but that's what I kept thinking not obviously at this point. We didn't even know that she says that later but just in what happened, you know with fur cat and how she was feeling at the time. I'm like it didn't it doesn't really seem like she wants to get married. So why are we kind of going out of our way, but a lot of people do this, you know, they start something and then it just starts rolling in but you don't know how to stop and then obviously they're dealing with his immigration status. And so she feels a pressure for that. It's all the way around which we can you know, we can understand obviously. SLI, but I mean she's kind of handling it. Okay, I guess okay. She's handle it. Okay, but she does I do like the fact that she has the conversation when they do go the lobster roll also really shout out to the market way like no you can't drive my car because the last time yeah, that was Margaret has so many great one-liners like it's almost like And I said this before I think an earlier session, but I kind of do feel bad because I hated her because she was so mean to everybody especially to know I hated the way she treated Noah and Helen and just everybody but I feel like she is, you know, she's dealing with this situation with her husband Bruce. He did cheat on her multiple times. Now, she's having to take care of him. Now, they don't, you know, they're not in the same situation so I do feel for in that but yeah, she's the Savage is still sad. He still Savage. Yes, they do go. By the lobster roll and that's where they do have that conversation and they you know Whitney starts telling me, you know, tell me about how you cheated on Mom right with Alison because he sees like this is where they met at the lobster roll that oh you were met someone when they were choking right? Like that's what you bonded over. He just the benches, right? Exactly. Right? But we see that hat we see it as viewers, but I think this is where it starts with she wants to figure this out because she's having the issue with her fiance, right and the fact that you cheated with Cat of all people right? Exactly, but she's she's figuring out like yo, do I want to get married right? Because look at what you did to my mom. Exactly and that's why I think they need to have maybe well, maybe not now if the decision is just made but I liked the thought of them opening this up not only because it makes me feel like, you know, they're doing they're giving a little more Justice to the Noah Allison, you know ending anything it's not that he you know, obviously we see him in the this season especially making moves toward Helen and things like that, but I like the justification because it's like okay this wasn't just for nothing. I did really love this person. Let's revisit this a little bit but it's good between so that's just me like as a viewer liking it and made me of course tear up and obviously the stuff with the leases will talk about that. But I think it's really good that she even started to think about this because she has no idea what happened. How would she's never sat down. She just knows my dad. Cheated on my mom and he left her for this other woman and that's that so he doesn't know kind of you know, it was surprising for her to hear when she's when he said oh, yeah, it was it was Alison that saved her right? Not Helen and I think that being able to start that conversation. Obviously, they get interrupted is something that ultimately in the grand scheme of thing is going to bring them closer together for sure. Well, this is why I see why It's so important that they have their together and just them to and not Helen because this conversation wouldn't have had him if Helen wants there or if anybody was there besides the two of them, right? So and this is something that needed to happen to deal with what she's dealing with and kind of figuring out so she can get some resolution as far as what you want to do a shout out. First of all, though. I hate what they did with a lobster roll. So time looks like it looked like what's that Long John Silver's I did when they said when he said the line about Like oh, yeah people aren't as friendly as they used to be right. I thought they were going to like play it back with like, oh, yeah because Alison was real friendly Uber but they didn't I guess I'm just too much of a freak God. Ah too much you are too much of a freak her out, but we did see a little glimpse of Louisa and which will last time we saw her she was old and ancient to look terrible happy to see young. Yes, young Louisa regular-looking Louisa. She stops by and Noah's kind of being Noah. You know, oh, you know put his foot in his mouth sure as he always does even then goes out to the car and his whole thing is, you know, he wants to you know, see Johnny. Yeah, because you save me feel so happy. Yes. So we you know, we saw that in the preview that he was trying to do that and I made the comment last week once I saw that I was like, it's not fair that Louisa still got to do this this this but she's not giving Noah the opportunity clearly. It's not even up to her because the you know, this is a chance site viewing of each. And she does she's you know, she's like they're leaving at 5:00. So whatever she so I guess I can take that back because you know, they moved to Vermont and whatever but the fact that Noah still wanted he at least made some sort of effort once he was there obviously he had been making too much of it but always had a lot going on and his life a lot going on, but it ought to me it also showed the arel irrelevance of Louisa and her character and how she just you know, even when she was with Cole she was just you know, we talked about this. This I think last week and how she really still love Dallas. He really still love Allison, right? Then. We see that he's leaving he's taking you know, they've already separated. She's having move on. She's obviously not happy about it whatsoever. And then kind of goes a nose like we're not friends. Like why are you even you know asking all these questions if you want to go holler at him go right ahead, but don't pretend that you know, we're buddies and she said like when she makes a comment about coal and she says like when she tells Noah that they're separated because no was like joking. He's like, oh, yeah. I believe you got cold moved to the city and let's not forget that Noah and Cole actually have spent some time together, you know when they were driving around looking for Alison all that kind of stuff. So it's nothing Noah doesn't know Cole but it was it was just like a punch to her where she's like. Well we're separated right the writing was on the wall. Everybody saw it and it's like he can't even say anything but I totally agree with you it almost I mean not that I've ever really loved her character. Anyway great actress, but it's like so what were you Therefore she served a purpose. Obviously, we're working. She served a purpose but it just showed that and it's not that irrelevant her character is it's that's not what I mean. What I mean is that basically as a wife to col like she did not serve a purpose because he didn't at the end of the day. He didn't love her truly actually wanted he didn't want to be with exactly they go dress shopping. Obviously the dresses are way expensive and and I was like, I'm not paying for these dresses and Whitney catches on that. She's like look no worry about it. Then I look up. Well, he's you know, he's an author and he's movies coming out. Hey, you know the famous screenwriter I could do this. I'm happy with Whitney's choice and that moment. Yes. I absolutely grown-up decision. Yes. I thought that she was gonna kind of be like really love this dress. And because I feel like knowing, you know, they say in the car later. You know, I see what you're trying to do. You're making amends. I do feel like he's trying to make amends to her. He's been trying with Helen obviously he's trying with her. There's nothing that's ever truly going to make Up for what they did because she was a child. I mean she was older she was a teenager but still she was a child and her dad left. It doesn't matter if he loved this woman if he whatever he left her. So I feel like he's always going to be doing that. But I feel like he would have very easily been like, okay, I'll just figure it out. Absolutely. And so I love this was like a good Turning Point moment for Whitney right here where she was like, no this isn't saying what person would spend $17,000 ridiculous Okay Whitney. Yeah, and then she's Going up and I think that as a huge part that we can get on this first part of the episode is the fact that she's growing up. She's obviously going to get married. She's you know, being able to listen to her dad take advice from him, you know, even when we see when they go back to the house and then you know, she puts on her mother's dress was so sweet. She's tearing up and no one's tearing up. He's like, oh my gosh, this is not and that's when it comes up with the whole. You know, she cheated on her fiance, right? And so they have that, you know discussion and she basically wants to kind of figure out like dude like what do I do and no one gives her really really sound advice. You know, he basically tells her, you know, you have to keep getting married over and over again when you zoom in to stay married. Yes getting married is one thing but to stay married and yes I messed up, you know and she's like, well, what's the difference? He's like why had four kids so it's different in you know, because basically what he's saying is do you want to hurt him because if you want to get out of the situation then yes, tell him Because you're probably not going to get married if that happens, right if you really love him and you want to be with him then maybe you don't need to say anything now. I don't know how I agree necessarily with that particular point, but I get why he said what he did. Of course I get why he said that because his whole thing is look, you know, if this the man that you cheated with you're never going to run into him again and you really love this person. It's almost better to not say anything act like it never happened, right? But if you want to be truthful with him then Then you're going to have to you know, receive the repercussions, right whatever that is. But if that's what you want to do just understand what both things are going to be. I think it was some of the best advice is given her. I love the lineup, you know, Merit marriages and always magic, you know, like you he how he said, you know, you think I thought I married this person because I loved them and I was always going to feel this way and yada yada yada and you don't realize you know, it's literally some people call it a job like you have to like you said work at it. I think that I mean regardless of how I actually feel about what she should do or like the opinions on it. Was it right to not tell them it's if it's never going to happen again, whatever. I think he did a good job of equating it back to his situation as well because you know, we saw he tried to stay with Helen but he admitted it it he admitted it in the very wrong way. He admitted it because of this just to make himself feel better, correct, and I think that's not a good reason, but then guess what he did end up. I need to be with Alice and so then I just made it a thousand times worse. I wasn't right. So I was like it's it's good almost at he said that to her and it really makes her think but this is why I say do we think she at the end of this conversation? Does he land or does she landed the position of okay, I don't want to get married it. Is that where she lands I you know when I saw how it ended and I saw how tumultuous she was feeling about everything because he or she is It's not even about the money and we find because you know, that's how they even start about the conversation because he's like no. No, we got it taken care of. You got a dress. We got plates. You know, I'm taking care of the tip right exactly. It's like no no. No, that's not it. I don't even know if I want to get married. I feel like she's going to err on the side, you know early prediction, but I feel like she's going to err on the side of not getting married, right? Because I think she's the type of person that she cares about that. She said this is her best friend she cares about him. I think that she's going to tell him. Yeah. I don't think she could live with herself. By not telling him and then going through the marriage and then living that way she's different than Noah. Yeah, I think she's different in that respect. Like she's very upfront. Very honest. She doesn't pull any punches. Sometimes it's gotten her into trouble, you know with her mouth, but she's different in the sense that she's going to tell him so I see her telling them and then maybe they do get married. Maybe they don't depending on what his reaction honestly. I don't think he's even that great because he can't even wear I mean But I think she tells him I thought the at the end of the conversation that basically it was her saying to Noah like okay, I'm not going to do this meaning not going to go through with the marriage because she seemingly admitting that she doesn't want to she's like, I don't want to hurt him like that because I know it would hurt him. Then you have the immigration status in there. Like we talked about you have all of these all of these factors and basically, I think that Whitney at this point is feeling like I'm married. Him because he needs me to not that she doesn't I think she definitely cares for him that I think she loved him and I think he actually wants to be with him, but there's a very big difference in you know, you're dating someone you love them and great but you're not ready to get married to them yet, but there's a lot of pressure because of these outside things. So absolutely the best decision for them is to not get married at this point, but it's like they're all with all these other things happening. That's not the easiest thing to do but it seems like that's kind of what she said to him at the end. She's not going to get married. I don't think she's going to get married. We see at the very end before we get into the second half of the episode that no one gets a call from Vanity Fair about Eden. We already saw earlier his former publicist about him coercing her into sex, which is if I am remembering it wrong then please shout me out right now, but he did not coerce her into having sex. If anything she was whether we arrest sir if I remember correctly. I believe that you are right that was a couple of seasons ago. It was like season season was a season 2 or season 3 either it was when he was, you know, had the book and he was doing the tour. Yeah, obviously she was with them. It wasn't last season by far but I think it was the other way around and she was the aggressor right? So which even makes it even that much worse? Yeah. And so and we even seen the previews how he kind of comes out of like what are you doing like and she's like, I'm not scared of you anymore, right? Because we Did see a Prelude to this conversation when she runs into Helen and your boy Sasha man, and she's like, oh, yeah, I was you know, no one's oh, yeah, he was a jerk and I don't you know, of course, I thought you didn't like oh right you like? Oh, yeah hats I believe you but I'm like, I don't understand why she doesn't do that. That's her motive. Well, we're going to find out we'll find out I'm gonna find us I was like, what did is she just really that upset that he didn't actually end up wanting to be with her as she Believe that upset that he may be fired. I don't remember. I don't think they ever addressed the ending of that professional relationship, but it's just the fact that I'm like, you know you and I talked a lot about people and we've talked about a lot on the show and on our aftershow is Noah has no a paid for his sins what you know, has he been hit has he been redeemed territory territory and talked a lot about the Redemption of Noah solloway and unlike he just gets knocked down again like not to take away you No, I never want to take away from someone's experience. If you feel like you, you know were coerced into something then that's very different. But from what we saw, right? I don't think that that is what happened. Right? Yeah, I don't know exactly I mean I have some suspicions but I'm just going to leave that out. I want to wait and kind of see what happens. So we get into Johnny's part and we knew this was coming. She goes basically right over to Benjamin Cruise's house. And then she you know gives a fake name and says she has PTSD And then Ben tells her he's like, oh, you know you have an honest face. I'm like head. So the writing is so good because I'm like she did she's not being honest that was shot out to April and lamb being really big idiots because when she signed her name, we were both like that's how he knows it right away and they were like no. No, but it was that was significant though. We knew there was going to be something that we were just wrong on why it was significant. Yeah, but it was significant he then You know says he's going to take her to this process because of her condition called EMDR. I didn't get what that stood for our probably could you know, I don't think he actually said he just explained it's mine. I was just going to say I was I would maybe look if that's a real thing, but he called it him EMDR and it was a you know, it's basically a method of therapy. He runs a clinic there in the home. We had other patients and he deals with him and they Garden it is eye movement desensitization desensitization and reprocessing. That's why he did the thing with the fingers and then you you don't remember he and Allison did something like that when they went to like one of those classes or whatever something where the yes. Yes, correct. Yes, correct. Yes, so it's a real thing. So this is something he does. So he starts doing different things tries to I thing doesn't work. She says she's getting dizzy and then he tries the finger-touch thing, which is significant because just like you said he did that with Allison and then she starts, you know, he starts saying like, give me Me, you know, I need I need something to go on so she starts recounting basically when she's playing like, oh my boyfriend and she starts telling him what happened between him and her mother and well there was a part of me that I was like, how do you how do you know she I mean she was pretty like on the money with some of it and she just recently learned of this information. I was thinking the same thing. I was like, how did she know but I believe I believe she's very smart, you know, she's a scientist. Yeah. She's very smart. And she went over and I was I think it was last episode when her boy took her over who EJ EJ took our over to the records, right? And she started seeing all the things that happened to our mother. I believe when she read through all of those. I think she just kind of pieced together what she feels happened. Oh and she remember seeing Ben show up to the apartment number and that's how she remembered him. I don't think I don't think those were the same. I don't think it's the actual night that she died, but she knows she can. The stuff she you know said she could guess either he started saying bad things things got heated. She's saying right now, she's smart. She's smart. And who knows maybe she was little device and we're back. It's all what happened. But I think she just piece it together. Yeah, and then interesting part is which I was shocked or number one a lot of stalkers is that he admits killing Alison straight up did I my mouth fell to the floor? She literally when he Really approaches her and says, you know, hey Johnny, what's up? I know who you are. And do you have any questions to ask me? Yeah, right not creepy at all. Yeah, and then she straight up says did you call my mom and he says yes, I was like what y'all are giving this to us? Yeah, because I thought it was going to be a long drawn out thing of we're never actually really gonna know if this happened and yada yada yada. I'm so I'm so happy by the way that he admitted it. Obviously it's a freaking skis and well obviously yes, but it is with condition because when he said he admitted I was like wait a second. There's a catch she's not just going to make killing her and that's going to be it, you know, something's got to happen. So as we continue he kind of explains himself talks about having a psychotic break. He took his aggression on her because he was impotent at the time and couldn't make love to her. And so he directed her rate his rage at her. I have to ask you were you take away every thought of what we know happened. The end of the episode. Where were you romanced by his by his reasoning like did you believe him basically at the time? I first of all I never liked me and I always thought he was a dirty dude same so him saying what he said, I believe that there was some truth to that. It doesn't excuse anything, of course not absolutely not but I believe that there is some truth. The thing with Ben is and we've seen and we saw it in this episode. He's a master. Manipulate. Yeah, he's very manipulative. I think he manipulated Alison back when they were, you know together the fact that remember he had a wife. Yeah. He had a wife he stepped out on his wife Allison found out and he got upset because he was caught essentially and she was like, I don't want to be with you in this situation, right? He could have very easily been like, okay, but instead he killed her obviously, he's just messed up but he fully had me, you know, we let's think about how many years it's been since this happened. I was like, you know, EJ makes a great Point later and saying, I like you're not a professional at this let the people handle it but I was like well, maybe he has all these you know psychotic drugs and yada yada yada because obviously it's a terrible thing that he did and we can you know, we do know that parts of this what he says is true and but I now that we know what we know I was like, oh my gosh, literally he just duped me he made me almost in a sense feel bad for him. I always even like as he was explaining it. And in the light you're guilty something bad things to happen to you joining these to do something yada yada yada, but I was like, I do I like you know, it's you're not you're making me feel a little less. Like I hate you so very much but and then I'm but then I started to remember the like, holy crap Cole literally spent his whole life trying to prove that this man killed her and then he, you know wasted the rest of his life and the Joanie just knows right now. I'm now it's just like, oh wait. Yeah. Everything that my dad said is true exactly. He then says and this is when he starts, you know, giving the explanation. He says that the statue which we did see, you know happen when it when we saw in the previous season did fall on ahead and it was an accident and look that's how she died. It wasn't intentional this that and the other and so basically gives her the green light. He's like look you can pass judgment on me. Whatever you want. I've been waiting for this so look pulls out a gun if you Want to shoot me whatever you want to do. If you want to call the police not knowing that he has this master manipulative plan behind the scene. So he believes knowing how she is because he has been studying her also, which we find out right so he knows exactly what she's going to pick. She's not going to shoot him. She's gonna be like, all right. Let me go get the cops. So she goes talks to her or boy EJ for a second. And you said something to me that was kind of surprising which I didn't even think about that but about who eat Some people feel he's a really is. Yes. We got a great comment. A lot of people think that's but I just want to shout out and pulling it up right now spoiler alert spoiler alert Taylor also the prediction also this is not confirmed in any way but Lara Stone Haskell commented lot on last week's episode and says, what do you think about this prediction? I think EJ Eddie is Vic and Sierra son 30 years ahead. He says that his dad died before he was born and that he has a picture of his mother on his phone. Wouldn't that be wild? We are getting that prediction a lot and I actually completely agree with it. It would be a like kind of out of nowhere semi like what would be the point but also like whoa, that would be crazy. That would be it's a good way to tie all of it tie everything together and it would make so much sense why we started the season the way we did and then finishing it that way. We're like, who is this EJ character that they're making so much they're giving him a whole lot of time a lot of time a lot of time. So I hope that that's it. I know. I love I Yes, that would be so dope. I love also that he is the one that because you know, we kind of forgot about it in the moment or I did anyway, but I love it. He's the one that's like but Joanie she drowned there was water in her lungs what happened if you commit suicide or if you're already dead when you're in the water, then you know, you get water in your lungs because you're alive and you're soaking your drinking and why so he's the one that makes her think like, oh wait, so what he said isn't true and I think that That's what made her make the decision of let me call the police. Right right. So she does that goes back to Ben's house with the authorities and gets super tricked was I'm still I'm still shocked yo, so but we kind of had we knew the signature was going to do something. We just were wrong and what it was but I knew it was significant, but basically they come in he brings them into the household twist the whole story. Cole's them that she's a patient has oh she signed, you know that she's here. I've been talking to the weeds right plays the recording of what she said about cutting his penis on right and then they're like yo what is going on? Like keep turning plan all this so quick and she has she has nothing to say it because let's think about it. He has been whenever he says like this until she found she has a bunch of say she's like, no that's not happening, but it just doesn't work of course whenever he was like Like, you know, I looked you up online. Of course, I wondered about who you were right? So it's like it's not like it was difficult, but she just recently learned of him. He has had this planned clearly for a very long time and he did it very well and I was just because and I was like, this is this is what a manipulator does they make you think genuinely in that moment. I was like, oh, wow, he's okay with you know her shooting Hammer calling the police or whatever. He knows. He has to pay for his sins. Oh, Then from there I was like, what's the purpose of this? I didn't even get I guess because I was so shocked. I didn't get that it's you know to ultimately protect himself just because he doesn't want to go to jail, but I was like, so do you plan on keeping her here? Like why are you telling them that she's a patient and it was just an insane plan that crazy that obviously they reminded me of I'm a huge fan of the saw series and how they right. Yes. Yeah and how I so much time is intricate into planning, you know, this person's death. Mais or what have you but he he was so good at that thing about this one for a for a long time. He's been planning this basically a long time. But even again, you know shocker number two, he admits to everything he admits that everything that she's thinking. Yes, that's exactly how it happened when it came to her. And the whole thing is to exonerate himself. So he doesn't have to pay the price right and then we see shocker number three for me was when you know, you know out Alison sorry Johnny comes out him. She's on the ground. He's pinning her down. She's like harder which you know, she's been doing think she actually said that I thought that was like a whisper like how they've been doing like the voiceover sometimes. Oh no, no, no because and that would make sense because remember when she had when she slept with EJ. Yeah. She did that right and that's been something that when she slept with the other guy the bartender the random bartender creepy bartender dude. She did it again. No, totally. I just thought she was thinking it in her mind at that moment. Oh, no, I know because you he is reaction. That's how I feel. Like she said it because afterwards he's like, oh you want me to kill you you want to end your pain? I thought it was because she kind of gave up and you see the look in her eyes. Well at first I was like, oh my God, he just killed her because she looks Dead first. Yeah, but it was just wild already the fact that if she said that or the fact that she said that makes it even crazier because like You really are just trying to get ya know you could you could I mean I you should watch your back because I the way I saw it is that she was saying harder and again, it would she's done it before. Yeah, and then heathens like nah, I'm not going to be the one to do this. You know, if you're trying to get out of your pain or your situation, I'm not going to be able to take you out and I was like did he just went right situation? Oh and there's no winner loser. But like no, I mean he has the upper hand. I mean, I don't I don't think it's over in the sense because of how it ended. I think there's going to be more with him. There's going to be some resolution either she finds a way to get back at him somehow with the help of her partner in crime ETA. So I think that that ends up happening now that she knows could because I don't see him keeping her because I think that he feels like oh no, I've already taken care of it. Yeah. I don't think at first I was like, what's the point? I don't think short wants to you know, keep her hold her hostage or anything, you know, obviously, he's been look even looking up stuff about her kids. I think he just wanted to of course make sure that he's he's left alone. Right and that now, you know, he's established that she's his patient and that she's crazy in the police are going to be looking at her right? He there's no way I mean I was when you went back in knowing that he had record. I'm sure you had it had I'm sure you had your phone in your pocket hit record. Yes are guarding the conversation but you know guess she didn't think on her feet. She the think like that not she's not a mess to me play like him. Yeah the same well I would have does that mean you master it again? You are not jumping. All right, so you said you have news and gossip? Yes. Do the gospels great news and gossip for y'all Dominic West. I always look knowing and looking up what people are doing after the show because of course we have grown to love these characters and the actress that played him so much. Our boy Dominic West is going to be starring in a new TV series called stateless along with Kate Blanchet Yvonne Strahovski. It's actually being Picked up by or funded I should say by an Australian company, but it's kind of course are here. So super excited for him that he has stuff in the works, but it's called stateless and I believe they just started filming. So it's going to be slated to come out in 2020, but were so we'll have some well awesome some more stuff with Dominic Westward. Yeah, what's up? There we go. All right. Let's get into predictions. Let's do that your AfterBuzz TV prediction. All right, gosh, you know where to go. Here, I don't I always want to predict the Noah and Helen situation. I don't know because we only have a few episodes left. I'm like are they just gonna give o we don't know? Well, you said you think it might go 11 episodes. I believe there are eleven episodes, but I don't know if they're just adding it like that because the the last ones extra long. I looked it up on IMDb, but it's quite confusing. So if you're in the chat or even after the fact let us know if it's actually 11 episodes or if it's 10 and it's the last one is extra long. But anyway, I don't know with the time that we have left and with how they're you know, they're obviously going to be giving Noah some less than Pleasant storyline material that he's going to be going through because apparently a student wrote a book about how he was inappropriate which I'm guessing is the student from when he was the professor of college because he was a little inappropriate with her, but guess what she was also held an appropriate with him. So I'm like, okay they're going to do that and they're going to have time to make us Really feel like Noah and Helen should be back together. I don't know anymore. I think that there's definitely there has to be some sort of resolution with the Joni bin thing with the bin murderer whether she kills him which would be really bad. I don't know there has I just think there's going to be it's not the last that we're going to see of him. It's not the last of that situation. I am happy that I think she's going to go probably through a lot herself and it could be Be self-destructive with her because she's hated her mom for all these years. I'm not sure exactly how old she is. But let's say 30-ish years. She's hated her mom for all of these years. Guess what? She just found out that she hated her for nothing because she was murdered. She didn't commit suicide so it could be very bad for her because she's already clearly not in a good way. Then she just learned this information and now guess what she's going to feel the guilt as well, right? So I hope it doesn't I don't want it. I definitely don't On it to end in a thing of like her committing suicide or anything like that, but I just I feel like it's gonna greatly affect her. We'll see I also have going to predict as well that EJ is Eddie. I liked it. I hope it happens. I think it would be a great time. Yeah, I think it'll be a great time. I think with the whole Johnny situation. I agree with that prediction and I think that they are going to come together like for real. Yeah and in not just because if it was just a situation where he just shows up and then they you know end up. This fling and then he just has gone. I think it's been more than that the fact that she's going back to him and they're discussing the situation and he has so much interest in what's going on and wanting to help her. I just see that the happening because I feel like she's she's I mean with her husband, you know, we saw what happened in the kids and how he's just, you know, she's kind of like through with that whole situation. Yeah. And so I feel like you know with her being there. This is a new chapter for her and now that she's finding all this information and then she finds out that that connection is there it just makes it more, you know. More so I believe that that will happen. Yeah. Also, I feel bad for knowing I feel like I do I even though Noah is this done some stuff but I feel that he what's coming up in the next episode from what we saw in the previews is he's going to get it he's gonna get it's gonna go down in flames. It's gonna go down in flames and he really is just I mean, especially with these just getting with Whitney, you know, the other kids kind of following suit, you know, he's trying to build the relationship somewhat with them. He still hasn't really got it with Helen, but I think that's because of the whole man situation. He's influencing her and all that kind of stuff. But if there was any inkling of him, you know kind of coming up and being positive now, it's going to come crashing down with these allegations. Definitely so it'll be interesting to see how that flips around and what happens with him as a result of maybe it could bring hell and back to him because she wants to help support him because of what he did for her. You never know. I mean in theory, I think that'd be great. But the fact that You know Sasha man is still in her ear. I just don't see that happen, but we start to see we've already seen a little chipping at the you know, marble beautiful view that she has of him. And I last week's episode or I'm sorry the week before and you can tell from the preview now, she's having lunch with his daughter quote-unquote daughter not actually his daughter and you know, she's starting to see that Sasha man is not so wonderful after all and the only reason why she would be having lunch with him is if there was going to be a situation. Tuition where he brings a negative light on him, right? That's the only reason that would be there and like Helen of course the being who she is as going to want that's how she feels bad for the girl. She's gonna want to have her, you know be let's make sure you're okay especially if she's actually going to be in a serious thing but Sasha but what good could come out of this 0 0 which we like yes. Yes. No, man. No, sir. No, sir. What's everybody that has been our show when I think you so much for tuning in. Thank you everyone. In the live chat, make sure you tune in to the next episode because it's gonna be crazy and we want to break it on down and have you break it down with us. I've been your host Lynn gonsalves, and you can find me everywhere at limb Gonzalez. Also check out my website. See what I have going on there at stay on the mic.com April where you at? Y'all can find me everywhere at April with some hat and also on the season premiere of The Walking Dead after show tomorrow night. Yeah. All right, so until next week, we'll see you please. He's our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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BEN ADMITS IT! We are still shook from tonight's episode where Joanie finally gets the chance to confront Ben and he admits to killing Alison, seems apologetic and then turns everything around on Joanie in a way that we are still shocked by. Noah and Whitney have a father/daughter date in Montauk and the memory of Alison comes up. All this and more! Follow our hosts: @lemgonsalves @aprilwhisenhant #theaffair #theaffairfinalseason The Affair After Show: Join our hosts on THE AFFAIR AFTER SHOW as they explore the emotional and psychological effects of two affairs on the Showtime series. Each week we recap, review and analyze in-depth as Noah and Alison impact the people in their lives - from husband to wife to all the way down to the kids. Plus we’ll have inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT THE AFFAIR: The Affair explores the emotional and psychological effects of an extramarital affair. The drama will be told separately from the male and female perspectives using the distinct memory biases to both misdirect and intrigue. "The Affair" explores the emotional/psychological effects of two affairs. Young diner waitress Alison and her husband, rancher Cole, are struggling -- personally and financially -- in the wake of tragedy. Noah, a settled teacher and would-be novelist, is summering at his in-laws' Hamptons estate with his wife, Helen, and four kids. When Noah meets Alison, they begin an affair. For her, he's a welcome escape; for him, she's a pretty distraction. But, the tryst eventually ends two marriages -- one that was already a bit shaky, the other that was on solid ground. 