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You are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now. Look where we going. We're beginning after my cold opens. I just look at Pam's because of the thumbs up like that was good. Good job. I hope it was good. And I hope that that brings you in it was a packed episode. This was a phenomenal episode. We have so much to talk about welcome and everybody as mentioned episode. Four of the challenge for the world. It's complicated. I'm Jenna bussiere joined by my to co-host tonight. We got Pam over here. Yes. I really excited to get into this. There was so much that happened so I can't wait to get deep into the discussion. Yeah, Dan here going to bring some reality to this reality show tonight Stan. The Man is here. So we're going to dive into the double elimination incredible twist every man for himself. Loving the way they went with this. They really deliver this time. They listen to us from final Reckoning. Our complaints from the Vendetta's Trilogy and they came with it tonight with the great illumination going to get into the deli challenge the costume party, which is a whole mess. We got the Joker. We got Harry Potter. We got all of these different characters all together. We got some news and gossip. Hey, I was gonna give you we're gonna give a little segment of Pam's five reasons why and Dan's got some conspiracy Corners. I do. That's great. We're very excited episode 4 Let's kick it off with some overall thoughts. Okay, I'll take it away. I loved the competition that we kicked it off with it was so fun to lean to start right away with such a fierce and neat and intense competition. But only for five teams out of 14 were able to complete it. So I'm like his it too hard or do we want that? I don't know. That's we can discuss that. I wish we saw more of the costume party. Just I wish we got to see more Of people having fun the pigtail costume the pigtails weren't enough for you pigtails were more than enough for me not enough of leg by Kyle. We saw a lot to come. We sell lots of leg. Kyle will not be happy until he has all the hair in pigtails - you just can't stop leg hair exactly. And for president. I nominate Leroy with the best move that it's like dude. Don't fight in a skirt with pigtails with you Leroy and turbo that speech was really wonderful. In my country that because we're all like whoa, who are you picking? And obviously they were too kind of Shakespeare of the challenge Yes Man a beautiful warm piece words. So those are my overall thoughts. All right. Ladies. Okay, here we go. I said he was gonna make us hate him tonight, you know, right? Here's the thing. Kyle will never redeem himself for everything that he's already done in the past two seasons. He almost redeemed himself tonight. He showed this whole on he showed compassion when Lost the challenge and he actually I thought those are real tears. I don't think he was doing that for show. He also didn't pick Cara when he easily could have picked Cara but you can't call a woman a slut and it all went away because of that but I thought this was a really interesting episode for Kyle like these going up a mountain you're thinking he's getting bad up down. It was very eye. It was he was very entertaining tonight overall. It was like his episode. It really was I for me it was in the fact that he won that challenge. Change to he competed in one I know seat. He's 48 years old or whatever and JP. I don't even know if you knew the rules of the game. He's very confused. But Kyle did win. So there you go. I'm gonna jump out then right off the gate with a conspiracy theory to refute your sure. You're a thought that Kyle is redeeming himself by not voting and Cara. Sure Pharisee Theory. I don't think it's because it still has feelings for her. I think it's a smart game game move and he knows that Cara has always been easily sweet. Swayed by him and easily seduced so maybe by doing this he's trying to get into cars emotional and mental game again saying like Cara. I'm not going to do this to you but he's right about you. He's playing my back. I'm going to have yours so I don't think it I don't think he actually does care. I don't think there's feelings and that's honestly my point my point is that he's playing this game really well so far and this was a great episode for him. Overall. That's all I'm saying. He said he had a because he's like, no, I think he's making a move by trying to get on the good side of Cara and Paulie by being respectful to Cara by not throwing her and by Saving her guilting her into having his back later on in the game, but also playing to her emotions because she he knows he easily has a control over her in some weird way. So he's trying to like manipulate her emotionally subconsciously as well. I didn't think of that but I think it's moderately valid. I do agree though that I don't think he was sparing. I don't think he was sparing car up out of the goodness of his heart rate TV tonight. Ladies and I will agree with you that I'd Thank you. Pat a chance in hell to win. But when he did I was like, oh, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I hate him and he's the worst but he's not he's not the best at said if he left because he is amusing. He causes a lot of drama like dare I say and don't you ever quote me on this. I was sad there was not a lot of Amanda because I like getting riled up about how much I think I've literally yeah when he won I wrote this is great for the show. We're going to get at least one more week of him and Polly going at each other at one point Polly doesn't even need to be in this he wants to sacrifice himself to just go against how I'm not want more of this is a fantastic. I'm sorry. I tried to fall on the sword and volunteer for the honor of women and let's take the girls out of this. All the girls are safe you and me Kyle meet me in the middle one-on-one man-to-man and teachings just like no, bro. Man like this you can while you're right the elimination rules Polly white, but it's also like people done that before we sought well, I guess Jordan was up for elimination. Remember that one season when he went in and he turned all of the he opens all of like we're all the little boxes you have to open to find the white skull and he found this he just made it to that. He would find the skull so he would have to go in again Ryan has so we've seen people sacrifice and volunteer themselves of for and TJ actually allow it, but the best part is like nah, Yeah, like right. Yeah Paulino go back. Yeah, but that was TJ was great. He's just literally like no dude. He was already frustrated with turbo having listened to how long that speech really. Um, we also kind of have another conspiracy theory or strategy. I think the best thing to be in this game is to have a language barrier and just not have people know what you're saying. So that way they don't really understand what side you're on your alliance is with where you're going with things and they just want you to then cut to the Chase and they'll just love you because you're like The Lovable turbo Monarch. She broke her printer. It's like all about who's going to vote in by the end of it everybody. Just wanted to spit it out. So it's Like just pretend like you don't know the language, right everybody saying everyone just gonna love you because it's too hard not to love it. Yeah, exactly and back to real quick on Kyle and it not being sincere. I think they picked a Natalie and JP because they felt the most confident. They could beat them not to say, it's Maura not too. Well, whatever. No but the completely enthroned in that Carla, I guess. I don't know. I guess I'm getting sucked into how great he's playing it. Not only as he won an elimination and he's playing the social game. He's doing it this season. And to me that's entertaining. You can't don't know slut-shame woman, especially when you're a man-whore you're a have a cake and you to type of guy. I mean, what are you doing? Dude? I'm gonna kind of say about P. What if he didn't say what if you didn't call her something what they just got in a fight him and polygons a fight would you is there any way you guys could have been like wow Kyle had a good episode. He didn't come off as like an ass ass. He just came off as I want to win this game. And that's just my whole thing even more to the fact that he does not have feelings for Cara and that confessional just being completely us because I don't know. People use words of hatred and words. They don't mean to go about people they love sometimes but in my thought if you're a guy and you really loved this one when you still have feelings, you're not going to call her a slut you just you can't that's what we call like a manipulative unhealthy relationship and also so can I jump ahead and do this now? Because it's the five reasons why Kyle is the worst 13 Reasons Why this is a Kamala gross Jill's five reasons why and tonight? It is five reasons. Why you Think I'll is the worst and these are just jumping into everything. We're saying one or we're going to start five. I'll throw you all. Thank you. Again, everyone stop threatening to fight. You're on a TV show. There are security people like two feet away from them at this point. Stop threatening to fight. You're not going to fight Polly Kyle. You're not going to fight stop it. Paulie was like come to your house. You know, I'll come too far to why this is Kyle's the worst not policy was the worst. He started it. He said come on down here and fight me worst. Okay. Thank you NEX okay for Tears, I don't think that they were his tears I do I think he is the most I think they were real. I think they worked for baby baby Kyle. He they were not. Oh, I'm sorry. I let you down Maddie. They were oh, no baby. Kyle might look stupid against his opposition. My manhood is being challenged. I think he's under a lot more pressure than you guys think to succeed. I think that really hurt him. I also think he's like God I'm dragging this girl mad. He has no idea what's going on the whole season through the mud because of a thing that I had last season with the other two, Yeah. No, I agree that he was sad, but I think it was entirely for himself and for looking stupid. Thank you necks. Sorry. Thank you calling calling Cara Maria laughing slow. Of course, we can across the board agrees the worst number to lying and trying to strong-arm George. Oh that was but that was that was a very that's where I'm like you would be correct. If we didn't see him literally being a bad manipulator and bad game. No, I'm coming for you next season. And he thinks he's suddenly bananas like but here's the thing. He actually he actually might be on next season unless Georgia does a really good job this season convincing producers to bring her back. We don't know that yet the tribunal it was not good to start trying to strong-arm and bullying her into a future thing. And she was one of the top three so not a great enemy to make right now with Hunter who already doesn't like you and threatening her back and cross form and then number one. Yes. I can't wait all boils down to I think he I don't think it's because he likes her cares about her loves her has real feelings is obsessed with Cara because she's bride because his it is that isn't fake relate. You know, he I don't know if he used her to begin with and he's got a storyline because the car I'm Paul Peg. Yeah. So does Polly though they all feel because of other that Zach and she saw over Cara's bringing me into thing. It's like Kyle stop. He's all He's talking about are always a lot of always making even that so Showmanship of whatever he was was car-related. It's like God Kyle just get a different angle when Polly and Polly said, it's not about Cara. Did you believe that though? Because I don't know but both of them there's some machismo wagon it around. That's what I'm sorry. It's like both of you shut up. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I don't believe it. But I think it's at the point where Paulie no longer needs to use Cara as an excuse to do anything to I'll they hate each other because they also hate each other it started with Cara. But when you hate somebody for a certain reason and more things escalate and build and build guess what you're always going to be enemies and that's it. Right. He doesn't need to use car as an excuse anymore. So Kyle saying, right, you know, it's because of Cara him saying no, it's not. It's like we just hate each other. So you're gonna throw me in every time I'm going to throw you any time. Let's not make it more complicated than it is. It's simple we don't like each other and I think they're upset that they're both. They're both trying to look like a pirate and to keep trying to one up. And they're like, I'm no no, I want to look more like a pirate because no no I want to yeah. Yeah, it was so pissed when Polly came out with that make up looking like that hat pirate cause like this is my thing. I'm not head but you now. All right guys, we gotta get into the double elimination because it was sick sick twist was amazing the actual competition everything that goes down between the voting and who picks who so we're gonna dive into it, but first Dan over and that amazing olive green bomber. Or tell the people what they belong think it's black, but tell the people what they need to hear. Yes. We want to thank you for making us the ESPN. That's right. That's a sports network. But of TV talk that's right. We want to make sure that you guys see no subscribe to our YouTube channel, you know, maybe give us a nice rating on iTunes and then obviously leave us comments because you know, being a part of after bus has meant a lot to me. If not, I'd be watching the show at home eating bonbons looking in the mirror talking to myself about how much I love the show, but now I'm going to talk in this Circular camera thing right there. So yeah, so thank you guys so much for the support and thank you for letting us do what we love bonbons. I don't know. What is that an old reference? That's a great school with Cocoa Puffs. That's probably more realistic more Cookie Crisp. That's a 90s reference that like all the people watching right now. I'm gonna stop you right there. Right? Let's get back into the episode. We're going to jump into double elimination. Okay, so we start off to preface obviously Kyle. And Maddie get thrown in because turbo breaks this tide, but I don't know if he knows that he broke the tie but he said a name and Kyle and Maddie are in the middle of this pit and we realized that the double elimination which is amazing, but we don't know how the Voting is going to go. We don't know what the storyline is, but rind the double elimination. So it's a spiral effect Kyle and Maddie then get to pick who they want to go against and then whoever they pick gets to vote another team to go in. So there's going to be three teams in The Killing Floor. And it's amazing. So Kyle goes on his little speech and why he's not picking Cara and they decide to pick Natalie and JP, right? It's Natalie feels personally attacked because obviously she is like the size of a finger compared to Maddie who's like the size of a thigh if we're going ratios, what a weird metaphor. That was okay. Yes, that is like a quarter of the size of Maddie. So she's all butt hurt like inner feelings and JP gets down there and adorable as he is in his broken ass English. He decides that he's gonna wake the Beast and he calls out CT and you can see the steam come out of CTV years and I love this because I'm like as much as I don't want to see CT and elimination but not it was kind of right earlier in the episode where she said CT has just been able to skate through the pass. Through challenges because either no one wants to go up against him because they're scared or they have too much respect for him. So he just gets overlooked and he just escapes his way to and final so I'm like, I want to see CT back in Action. Let's go and I love that. It's getting fired up to an emotional and I wanted to go down in The Killing Floor and do his thing. What are your thoughts? I I was a little upset with CT being such a baby about getting picked. I feel like that's par for the course. You have to just suck it up. It is an honor. You are the champ these people do want to come. In and make their reputations on beating a champ For Better or For Worse. It is what it is. So I wish CT wasn't so pissed and affronted that he was picked with Natalie to it's like well don't feel bullied. What if it was right on your partner shoulder, like when people get called out like you guys here there's always going to be advantages and disadvantages suck it up. I did agree that with West during the elimination that CT was at a drastic disadvantage because he was battling two people two people were battling see, why was he battling to people? No because you already lost Once and I was already lost one arm started off though having to deal with if I talk to people they wanted dealing with each other though. They were really dealing they were both going for CT. They all had equal to start. I kind of get what you're saying because I thought CT was like Dad out. There may be that he's this massive figure like he was like a boulder a comparison to I mean guys, there's no but there's no conspiracy that those two talked ahead of time and tried to team up against he Tomatoes there. They don't know right? I'm just saying, but we don't know that for sure. Sure, but my whole thing was JP's probably 20 to see T's 42 at some point age has to play a factor here. And as far as Natalie goes ladies, you're gonna hate this but she had an awful season on the show. We didn't we that's my point. I forgot she was on the challenge really showed her for 2 seconds tonight. And then as soon as they show her she's eliminated no screen time at all. No, mama awful awful Tavon said in a YouTube video that Natalie and cam actually got into it and had a good battle in the mud pit Challenge and then Natalie actually held her. And cam is it up? They were fighting over a ball. So I don't know why homegirls not going to go to edit. Like she's just not existing but that being said it did seem like maybe her mind wasn't there like she's been getting very emotional and and heated when she lost her storyline to to keep it sort of flowing. Each episode has to lead into building to the next. So right Natalie and cam had this thing that didn't pan out because she went home the point of showing those producers are really trying to find spots to put cam on this show. They're trying to dig out the love interest with Leo last week when you know, how can we don't know what happens if all three vote the same the tribunal if they all vote the same what happens we don't know yet, right. So then TJ throws that line up to cam like hey Kim you sure you don't want to change your vote like the producers. Just trying to get Cam to say stuff like get her like we need to start Golden Girls our new girl. We gotta get her to say stuff. I don't know you always think that the producers are favoring cam. I think they're favoring the storyline. I really want cam to be Next it girl while she might pull something out that that makes her relevant that they keep having to give her air time. Yeah, Ryan. I love Kim. This is a weird. Maybe I'm obsessed with Kyle. I don't know but yes, this is weird. I mean, I think I do love to hate him. That's what it's all about. Yeah cam. I trust like as much as from watching her on TV. I trust her judgment. I think she's great and cool. I like you know, she I like her and she seems to in real life really like Kyle. As a friend like she's like he's like using like via Twitter or like are using social media and I'm always like really so there you go. I wonder that just is a thing that makes me go. Hmm because I'm surprised I've heard played hearted some personalities match to hang out with I just think that he's really treats women very poorly. You know, there's a degree. It's not a good quality to have them. No, I don't agree with them and Chad. Yeah, let's get back into the 11th. You know because Kyle did win and he beat CT and JP out there and I would have liked to see more from JP this entire season. I thought that he would probably be a more of a competitor from I'm sorry. What's your name from them? That's my point. Who cares by JP @ JP. He will not be asked on this challenge again. No way in hell - George Why move like ask CT or volunteer CT to go in and JP on the next level, man. I was shocked I you guys kind of called from the beginning you thought that Kyle is going to win and I was like no way he'll see T is going to be Stu this again. I thought he was Dad out there and the other two boys were his sons he was so out. He was so much bigger than them his size compared to them. It just looked like he was wrestling his to like toddler boys. Yeah, but I have to say I feel like the two rings challenges got to be really hard on your body really hard on your shoulders and At his age. That's why I'm saying we don't my shoulders. Are we getting sore man and think about like you're tugging and the way that he was with the other two guys. The other two guys like Dan said are facing him and kind of pulling the Rings outside of him. But CT is pulling the Rings towards his body. So he's working his shoulders shoulders are getting yanked out of the sockets and it has to do a lot with grip and balance and I felt like he had the disadvantage with did you guys kind of solutely toy? During the 20 rings out of his hands and pulling his arms out the way that they were and Maddie like the way you see T came in like Maddie where where I think it was West but said she looked like a wolf just Towing tank, you know, she's ready. We are to pray because those two and Maddie's the CT Maddie's big and those two girls were both tiny. So there was nothing really that could do with CT had to contend with, you know, Kyle being wildly around him. And yeah, he's big is not nothing. He's no he's not Big dealing with both of them and both of them coming at him. I think if he had two little guys, he would have been fine, but he had a big guy and I think you're given c t so much credit here. I mean, they all had an equal opportunity to go and unless there is this conspiracy where Kyle and JP has tried to work against CT they all had equal opportunity to win and see I'm sorry. We don't know how long that elimination lasted. We did thinks. He just got really tired. I just think the way the setup was and the body positioning Kyle have more of an opportunity to be 50 right and kind of like wiggle his way out but CT had the weight of two guys exact pulling him backwards that make sense. Like the two guys were pulling in one way and he was kind of the one man being pulled. Yeah rection. Yeah. We're JP and Kyle were able to put that on CT to find a different position that might work better. But again back to his size. He said he was going to come back next season, but he needed but I think Kyle had the best. And that's why he was able to kill this challenge because he wants to get back at Poly and as we know nothing is better than revenge and you're never going to compete better than when you have a chip on your shoulder and he is my serious submit worth motivation. Yeah, this is real that he's back great great great TV. Can we talk about the fact that we went into this elimination with it being an individual competition teams, which was amazing ass what's even better is that the two people the two individuals that were a team ended up winning it? Yeah, well, I would have maybe like to see a mismatch but everybody Kyle and Maddie learned their position fair and square and it was great to watch and I'm kind of shocked that the girls put up as good of a fight as they did against Maddie. We have to go back on our word because first episode we were like that is a partier. We don't know what party down south is about she's a beaut. Well, she's an animal she is but she's also very physically athletic at Sea. Yeah. It's we didn't know then how can we know we haven't seen her in any competition then we'll see how she does on. Those and we'll have to see how she doesn't like long-distance running. I mean that's gonna be huge. Yeah exactly. This was a size Matters. Yeah competition. But also this is just on a profound statement of this particular season bore the world. I think really is ushering in a new era of the challenge and really is when a CT of bananas Ashley when those people have a first three to go home and it's okay like meaning it's still a good to be a fun - oh, that's what's weirding me out is I'm not even bothered to any Them or not. I'm still like I'm even more and I'm so this season has been so good so far. I'm excited. But I agree and it is weird because usually I hate the new kids. I think they did such a great job introducing us to them partnering them with people we can see all the rivalries and seeing how those played out and it does make us invested in these new room. Who are we're slowly getting to know like I still can't tell Gus and bear are they the same person apart? I still can't I can't One with his lip hanging off because he goes is the one who is trying to outdo Jimmy Neutron with the velocity of us. I don't know. There's a few people still haven't gotten the ivory-billed. Thank you so much more emotionally invested. It's kind of like Game of Thrones which is a show I don't watch but I know that Game of Thrones does not care to protect any character, they will kill off anybody and the fans still love it and they watch every time because you never know what's going to happen in that. I feel like that's where we're at with the challenge right now. I'm great and you get invested in your heart broken like I'm pip. I'm so upset that CT is gone. But at the same time I'm like, well he's gone, right he didn't perform that well tonight. So let's see what else is gonna happen on this crazy season. It's so good already agreed. I love it. I love I love what they're doing with it. They are it's they're keeping us on our toes. They're making it interesting. It's really good even without. Yeah. Um, so shall we then move on to the daily challenge of the day Fallout challenges. Did you guys think challenge was great. It was it was awesome to watch. I like well I got it was really hard. You know, it's hard when you're jumping into something. You saw a lot of people rebound off and fall off right away. A lot of people are just Gus. I know I almost everybody I mean literally 10 teeth just couldn't just didn't do it. Yeah do it here's here's here was turning here's a turning point. So they they thought originally all the cast members clearly thought that it was gonna be a lot harder to move that pendulum thing up top. So they have the guy up there and they had the girl jumping and then here's I mean, we all hate Zach but Zach and CT they switched it up and they had Zach doing the jumping and then they were like, oh if see heat it can move that thing that says she's hoping woman, but she is I'm just saying she was able to do that quite easily weak woman. She could just be a weekend ahead. I'm so sorry. Then if you notice after that, they placed many more of the the I guess I want to say maybe the bigger people with more upper-body strength guy or girl and the in the jumping position. And then that's how about you Dan you're fine. I will say I'm never fully going to like Zack but him and Zahida. They're a great team the way that they communicate and work together and I think that they did very well and they were super nice to each other the whole time. Like I said, I hate heights, but it's for the best for the team and I know that she's new to the challenge. So I'm going to do the jumping. Yeah, I work for Them and it was great. I hate Zack and new again tonight because I am on team Cara with her being like what the hell this is what exactly all to Kyle and sitting there talking smack about her to him and and again base back to his base sexism that I thought maybe he evolved out of now that he's in a real relationship. He's like used to be doing this sweet girl meeting this blond girl not that to do Polly's ex-girlfriend. Yeah. Thank you. Can't win from this sweet girl who's like Jenna asked girl and now he's dating Jack Sparrow. It's like, oh sorry. You're not a pretty little blond Zach. I thought that was pretty Craig's act standard for women about everybody should some Serbian pretty little blonde girl. What a now you want to know what it is. Not right that kind of that. Zach said that but that's not how it all started though. Apparently Cara said that Kyle was just rooting for she told Nana she cheese so she started this whole thing. But as far as I'm as I know Kyle's friends with Zach and Bam Anna so if you had he was maybe he was just cut in the middle. No kind of so much stuff lying but that's how it started the car did start that whole episode but I want to talk kind of strategy and athleticism of this kind of this challenge today. So it seems like probably you're saying upper body to swing the pendulum now, I'm thinking lower body too because we see disqualify mean upper body for the jumping. Okay, Nonnie got into a deep squat. I saw her rocking that back and forth. I would think a good strategy after. Jumping onto the second beam, which I think a lot of people did you kind of have to if you can in the air walk your way around to the opposite side of the beam to then right touch the Bell which I saw Georgia do and Georgia and Hunter doing so well in this game. Yeah, that seems like the heart. I mean, yeah, if you can do that, that's great. That seems like the hardest part Beyond latching on to that beam. I agree that I don't think you needed the bigger guys or even lower or whatever. It's just getting momentum going and then it takes itself. So, you know, I was surprised that That Theo was so hesitant. But if you're scared of heights, you're scared of heights. Yeah, you finally got off the platform. But when they do that red herring in the confessional where he's like and I'm not doing this. I'm like, yeah. Sure. Yeah, but I did take a minute to get off Shang Lee and Leroy, my note was literally just yeah. Yeah. She saw that coming from a mile away. I don't know what she'd lean is bringing to this competition. And then yeah, don't you feel like Leroy always gets a bad partner. Yeah. I'd like to see Leroy with with a better partner. Yeah, Polly and Natalie. They're going to be a force to be reckoned with they murdered it paulien and jump right off the bat they went first and they probably didn't like five seconds. Yep, incredible. So they got in the tribunal as we saw a hunter and Georgia and the tribunal what's your gate? And not on the in Turbo? I feel like this competition is too easy for Turbo. Turbo doesn't have anything. He doesn't think he just goes for it. And that's going to be huge for him. If he has no fear. He's like, yeah, I'll just Up to take 100 got it jingle all the way with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Is it turbo the Terminator between the way he speaks his language and him just being basically a super hero. He is there turbinator. Hmm. So you mean didn't set up to go away. Can you say Terminator Terminator 2 The Terminator? He's Turbo Man in jingle all the way. Oh what he's trying to get the the present. He's trying to get. For his kid. Yes. He's the Terminator the turbinator because of herb you you're mixing movies, but it works I movies but it would be I met was jingle all the way and that is Turbo Man and that's basically doesn't even like Turbo from The Challenge. I think Hunters got a really good chance of winning the season. I think he's on like this like big Redemption run after what happened last year and he's also teamed up with Wes and his partner is D. Maybe. Wow. What Partners do? Yeah, so I just think the four of them are going to be great. Playing Coy well of DL from the gate and yellow and West he loves go see me, how how perfect is it that Wesson D came together because I love them both equally so it's fantastic. This is doing surprisingly bad though while he's doing that. Yeah. He messed up that one challenge. I mean, he's still had a huge hill he had a huge thing last week is he? Yeah, he was able to get rid of bananas last week that was huge. That was that was he had a bad week. He had a great week last year bad first week to just miss that atha. Kyle just missed. It cam just missed it. A lot of good people just missed it all tonight. Imagine if Kyle got it. We wouldn't have got that amazing story line from their solution. Do you guys want to talk costume party for a minute before news and gossip? Sure. Well when we can get yeah and ponytail. Yeah, but your thoughts on the Kyle and Paul I'll say this the head-butting is the new loophole for not being kicked out of the challenge for fighting. They're gonna put an end of this head-butting eventually people are doing it. They die. What's-her-face did it last season? So beyond make you and now they're boys are doing it this season. It's not head. If they keep their hands to themselves and he's like damn like Ram stick their heads again. So dance conspiracy Court of the producers are talking right now if I'm gonna commit the changes, I can't head but nothing but still, there you go. Thanks so much eventually. It's a great. Yes. So far the fight without the fist being thrown. Yeah. Somebody favorite thing is just how like how seriously they could take themselves in full hair and makeup full outfits. Like Kyle was harnessing as a pony tails in her Britney Spears. But was he behaving like a Spice Girl? I thought he's going for Spice Girl with the pigtails. It's Bizarro the level of obsession him and Polly have with each other each other and with Cara and cars. Like I feel like she's secretly loves it. Like she's in there like no don't fade about me or she dies always in the tribunal he won he's safe and he's like, uh, uh, I'm gonna go out there and How much she's not in love with him, right? Yeah, it's like Polly just don't like that again. I'm of it bring it bring it all day long, but it's like you guys come just like save it for the you know competition. You're not really going to fight. So stop pull is the right Steve really is. Do you have a favorite costume that I figure costume from tonight? I mean, I hate Amanda, but she looked nice in a little cat outfit. I thought she looked pretty I don't let her personality is not pretty but you can look you can a girl can look nice and then if they're mean you don't like them the same way but it's awfully quiet but I have a huge guy like George it's yelling George. I just think sure to our ball. Yeah, she's cute. She is she's cute and sexy and she's saying she is cool calm and collected like when they Amanda was not quiet tonight during the tribunal which I loved all the fights that was crazy, but she was like bro. Yo. Bro, yo, she did her like yo, bro. I'm friends with the millionaire. Yeah, which is like congratulations like that and a bag of chips get you what Amanda? Well, then Josh was like he's telling Hunter he's so fake that was ridiculous tongue seems too big for his mouth and I was a large-mouth. He's a very large mouth. In the tribunal and make them seem like Hunter and Georgia are going to regret it when this is what their second trip. No their first tribunal but they've had the Relic they've won an elimination. They're obviously a force to be reckoned with Josh and Amanda. Who literally what have you done? Yeah, it's Amanda and Josh was a loser that got brought back in. So what right thank you Josh. You were gone like five you shouldn't even be wearing them yet. They still. Scared patient and yet hamster and George are the idiots. Yeah. I don't get that Georgia back to be like her. I also think she's cute and sexy and I also like that. She's like it's not because because Hunter who I love I could do without the chance. It's like at me at me whenever he starts yelling like he starts gets chanti. I love on her shoulder like you something he starts chanting and Georgia was like look, you know, it's not personal it mean it is personal you put us in what? For you, it doesn't mean you know you the last season she said we're voting for you suck it up which I got a hunch. It does get very chanti. She keeps them cool too. I think she's chill. He pulled a very cliche veteran move like welcome to the challenge. Welcome to the challenge. It's like do we have to go through this again? Like Pauly said Kyle needed to earn his stripes and I wasn't Kyle on the The Challenge before Paulie was ever on the challenge. I think anybody else is Gonna Hurt Stripes. Like I don't know all these cliches are coming back. Hey, everyone should get a gold star. Okay, you said it you hit the talking point? Yes, but um, I did have a very favorite costume very subtle that feel powder. Yeah. I love Harry Potter huge currently and ordered the Phoenix. I'm sorry reading anyway, so I tracked loved it. Okay. I mean, I love to put the punch. Come on PO not getting an a for effort. I mean, it's like, oh probably Harry Potter thought it was cute. You girls just love videos that whole. Love thing. Oh so much when we get out of here get me talk about Theo and yeah, the O's I don't think we've ever done that you can see the wind trying to make it seem like thirsty chicks. I would never dress like Harry Potter. I like the ow, I do like the other bear when they put that that work is actually all nicely done than I just Making out and snap like that natural dyes and natural that those two were there was no mention of that prior to tonight was known as bears polar bear said how much he found her attractive and then maybe they just didn't want to show it on camera doesn't have enough time. Yeah, he did mention how many times he thought she was so cute. Yeah, and she was like, oh I let him flirt with me. I'm trying to pull up the news and gossip. Okay, good mood. Okay. This is a shout-out to Landon's ass hoody on me to make sure I watch Ouch, Dave ons YouTube video where she spilled a whole bunch of stuff about episode 3 and as I'm sure all of you fans know this has been going around so much. It's very controversial. So there was a taping incident where last episode on the same night that Zach was being upset about accidentally throwing bananas into or absolutely throwing the ball to West and screwing over bananas. Apparently men. It was going around yelling at the house talk. Yes, you does Pete keeping people up till 6 a.m. Not letting anybody sleep being Amanda. So Johnny as what started as a joke and what Davon has said she believes did not have a malicious intent. It wasn't meant to be bullying in the beginning turned out to be something that kind of crossed the line. So Johnny Theo and Kyle Take tape and they try to shut Amanda's tape over Amanda's mouth is like a shut up as a joke retaliation, but they end up taping her whole face. And to quote Devon she says mummified Amanda's face. So tape her entire face and Amanda starts ripping the tape off and her hair is being pulled out by the end of it. Dave ons having to help Amanda take this tape off and like clumps of her hair coming out Amanda was screaming and crying pleading that they stop saying please this hurts. So it seems like it was taken a touch too far and this already happened on the season. It was that was from two weeks ago. Then this was episode 3 last week and and the Cheers just chose not to show that hasn't been aired since yesterday. I think interesting producers of entities in it hasn't been aired but they've on went and she aired it all out for us in the morning. It happened again. She says it kind of started as a joke never meant to be bullying but it was taken to a limit where sure hands are facing in general. I don't take this an aggressive that's aggressive that's aggressive. I don't like it. This is yeah that seems to me again. I don't know because they didn't show it. So who knows and watch Dave? Vaughn's thing but that seems to me the kind of thing that even worse than two dudes put in their bull heads up to each other if they were really wrapping tape around her face. I don't think that that I'm like what take time to think about that's there that you can put a tape that I feel like there are people watching them. There are cameras are some squared. Where do they get where do you get taped by the way around her head and mummify her or did they just and I don't know. I don't know. I didn't think so. I mean none of us were there but this is what Dave on is saying and I trust her and I believe I don't think she's just going to throw something as controversial out there throughout I have to watch her video. She said she hates like tape that pulled her hair out because she doesn't have like obviously she doesn't have footage of it. She's just saying she's just like a talking head telling us what what happened, right? That's what they wanted. Like. I mean, where did they get the tape though? Seriously producers slide it to like what kind of tape was it was it masking tape was a notch tape. I mean if it's true, yeah, either way it seems like we're I don't know exactly where their butt. It's almost like a victim shaming thing. Like it kind of reminds me of the Footwear. Is that footage? Like if an athlete is said to know what kind of education people like but where's the video of it though? This is not private there on a reality TV show. There's footage of everything when they chose to put their area reason why it wasn't are like maybe they thought it went a touch over hmm considering the whole bullying and the girls throwing your suitcase over that maybe they don't want to touch that Amanda's. I would need to know also, it's hard to make a judgment call knowing literally nothing's need to know without seeing it. I haven't even seen day bombs description. So as hearing a description of a description, I feel like God Amanda probably, you know, and it started off in good fun. It maybe went too far not something, you know, maybe not to you, but if they could have yeah tone not cool anything else, but even Polly was on the background of a Cara Maria's live Instagram. Well, we're going to get to them in a second and he said that it As disturbing so I am that Polly would so the other news and then again, he I'm sure is this Avenues and Gosford more. I feel like Polly and Cara are just the Saga where every day it's tabloid e-news with them and I'm so I'm over them every couple. I'm so over them as a couple of this point, but they have moved in together and they're living in Montana together and it's just like I know it's her life and I know of cars listening she's going to be very defensive and saying like I have no reason to butt into her life. It's her decision, which I know it's your decision. I just don't get your decision. Like I know she's very forgiving and I'm in for Second Chances, but the manner in which he dragged you in cheated on you was like yeah, you know, you know, like pet owners and their pets start looking like the same person. I feel like they're starting to both looked like the same person. All right, is that they keep saying it's our life. It's nobody's business and nobody knows what we've been through together. But all you're doing is going on every social media platform and trying to play. Our case all you're doing is trying to vouch for the fact that you're still together and why you forgave him and got back to him. So if it's nobody's business, let it be no, he's busy they don't love each other and enjoy each other and be private real quick. You're gonna let me just ask for forgiveness for everybody by telling you my story behind her. I'm not saying O P private be private. Again, I'm I'm like, they're taking their you gotta do guys. You never know. What hey, it's the same way. I feel about Jenna and Zach. Sorry, I think great if they're happy. God bless them if I would say, I think Jenna should run for the hills. I think car and Polly I get to be who knows but if they're happy God bless them real quick here. They're taking they're taking this whole thing to the bank though. And when was she on that clone TV show that she's going to be appearing on where are they? Together or separate and guess who they got to be on the show the Galaxy S6 Pirates to be on their board. They will go over there to break or not during that cloning process the whole answer to that because I wanna break that was prior to the taping of this season, but after that first season when they were in an open relationship and whatever who cares we have 30 seconds left, we're not going to spell card and Polly. Anyway, thank you everybody so much for tuning joining in tuning in joining us all the same. Mmmmm here at AfterBuzz TV episode winter. 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