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And I remember Jansen for years because I've been scouting as you know, my face report on Jansen was 2010 report for I actually said this kid I think are grouped with the next Kevin simm field because I actually I actually thought and I always remember Something, you know went through life. You see people and something Clicks in your head and you think that's he's going to be a good lad. I remember going in Costello Sports stadium in whole and there was a young lad training in the corner on his own and I went right Johnson. Are we doing I said, what you doing here on your own? He said Champions are made when no one's looking and I've like that so I'll be been so fortunate. So this one then Johnson, I went to school with my colleague tell he knows all about your I think I love that on you. Well, Eric, I remember a time when all the ladders on me from my house and there was going to hornsea and Janssen coming on his mum's bike with a basket on the front full of packing up one of the lads pedals fell off or the world. So and he was a little bit on unfair the time so I Even my bike ride to pedal is a BMX only one pedal. Yes, sir. Yeah, so welcome. You're welcome on the show. I'm excited. So we normally you know, you know Paul Wells are bolted a bit of digging and you Paul, but what is it sort of know more about the man behind the name, you know, because you know, it's only been a superstar. I remember sitting on the couch playing bring up brick walls for a living. What was your one question before I get will get into the questions because I'm a big ol of see from what was your uh, you know you if you could play any position. What position would you play? What was your what was your number one position ideally like to play loose forward but like, you know sometimes and some teams nowadays, it's just known as like another prop and I used to like passing the ball as well be, you know be a bar London lose forward. So I did it. That's where I I'd like to play and then as I went through the game, I've got taught how to you know, be able to change lands when I run a line and things like that. So it kind of like push him out into the back row more and you know, just learning the trade of that and that's probably where I ended up playing, you know, the last the last few years of my will be in so far in the second proposition. I suppose we're all forwards but it's just, you know each one's a little bit more detailed. Old and you know bit different to the other one and I think as well. I'm excited to have you on the exam, you know, he's learning more about what makes these professional athlete stick because that little comment you mention there, you know Champions at you you professional Sportsman think different. So we will jump into one of the questions through airports. We've got to go for it go for it. All right Johnson are what are one of three books that have greatly changed stroke influenced your life. I wasn't always been a big reader to be honest, you know, if it was someone that ever asked me, you know a few years ago. Do you read at a laughter? But you know things change mindsets changed you grow up you mature but when I when I read recently is the chimp Paradox, we first learned about that, you know, when I was actually at Hull FC and we had Martin Johnson, I seen it was unusual not long ago. He came in and he was used to talk to us about mindset. Talk to us about the brain and how it works and you know, it's broken down things like that. And you know, you hear those things and I was on I was younger then and you don't really take anything on board. But you know once it's something that actually interests here you go out and you research it. So yeah, I've been learning about the brain and you know behaviors mannerisms. Why do things while you're doing things different ways you can react to things and it's been quite interesting did you say? One one two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three or 80s watching any you know, if you got if you if it's one if it's too easy is 3 yeah, that's something that I've read. I'm just starting Tyson Fury's autobiography. So I just got off a Christmas. So that's next on my list or after sent it tips on that but I think interesting about our good times you go Chris I think linking back to that point because I'm gonna pull them out in Johnson and professionally. Lee I got you into a another business hours in here to talk about man set and it always shared stories about you know, work, you know, fictional Sportsman knowledge today, but interesting, you know some of the players, you know, you played around so I will do a new major professional debut 1818 and just give me a list of you know, so I'm going off topic here policy rights are in back in to make sure we get for all the Commandments, but just give me an Insight in a 2000 census of some sort of inspirational talk. It says you've played alongside go fellas Richard on Danielle and Frank Pritchard. See C'Mon o te whanoa. Just a list just a roster. Yeah, this is interesting. He's not many people get to have spend time with that many sort of leaders is in sort of commonalities. You've learned, you know from them to her people. You know, what what someone could learn from what you learn from, you know, what was the sort of things you learn from them? So people and different things really because you know, even though we're all roll left the same reason everyone's got a different personality some, you know, some quiet you don't really hear some, you know, quite outgoing quite boisterous, you know some more quiet funny always telling jokes so different things really I think it's probably you know, the most you'll learn is how to know how to apply a trade on the pitch and you know, how they handle themselves and even when used to you know, when they're be the one that wanted to get interviewed or you know speaking to the newspapers things like that and how the holder self-composed things like that, you know all the speed to people but you know, it's shown respect because it's something that's been instilled into them from being young and like The kind of it's like an older brother thing really? So, you know, you're learning things are phlegm that you might not have learned somewhere else or you know If you're if you're going into a it because basically is a job. But if you're going into you know an everyday job while you're in an office and so far that you might not even speak to the person that's not next year. But you know when you're in the professional sports environment, you have no doubt. You have no choice, but you have to speak to him. You have to get to know him as a person you have to learn them understand them and you know, trust them because when when you're you know next to him in the game you willing to put you know your life on the line for them and you They're expecting you to do the same. So yeah, it's a lot of land in the standing between both parties really cracking and say what purchase of 50-pound or less as most positive positively impacted your life in the last six months. Sonny Taylor would tell me that it's a ticket to watch his fight. couple months ago I got I got a ticket to go watch Frank Bruno present a motivational talk, you know got to meet him have a little chat with him, you know, take a photons of Art and some of the things that he came out with and some of the adversity that had you know show and I'm someone that's coming through adversity myself. So it was you know something I could relate to and it was a It was quite overwhelming but I understood where I was coming from and some of the things he supports about, you know, I've tried to use his Tools in my own life. And I think it's definitely been a an advantage to me. And you know, that's one of the that's one of the things that you would have got a couple but I'll drop that for the first one. No, but I think on that one can I was there myself actually and it wasn't your fault it was that and I was we always talk, you know with something like we do about being real. We're all and talking. I was absolutely gobsmacked. I'll reel and Rory walls, but also inspired I left there feeling just an incredible one. He's talked. So I have among groups. That will warm up. What do you think? I'm not like there's a cracking night. Frank Bruno was real and raw thought some of the things that come out with and the way Spork because we all know Frank Bruno don't we, you know would mean our ebook It can put it come across really really good and then he inspired me that night what had been through and now we'd come back from it. It was fantastic to see him fantastic to wearing. I'm interested in this one as well. Because in this next question, I love this one. So what is your feel-good song? I'm using that gets you focused on make sure opinion and I will ask a little bit on that because I'm asking for is maybe essentially to because Did you have like a song before he played rugby was it was like a rugby song that got you in the zone was it? Yeah, no not really of this song. But you know whenever I got go to the gym or you know training running or Like pretty much songs. I kind of like things like, you know, R&B old-school R&B rap Grime a little mind, you know a little bit of chat chat music sometimes a little bit of house. You know, I have really play Amy's new songs all the time. So I'm getting basically that so I send switch off spoons. I've just finished listening to your good pals with one of those biggest influence that And DJ rain dog. Yeah, so was actually funny story. I was at his Studio they were there and we sat there for about two and a half hours and it was just cracking on doing his stuff playing this song. But you know, I think it was making a song and it was the same one and I'd heard it non-stop for two and a half hours. And obviously I'm not going to say anything cause that's his job. You know, he's out there grinding Grafton making his new track. Then when we left we got in his car and he and he goes I'm just going to see how it sounds on the air on the car speakers. I said he serious I said it's going to sound exactly the same. It's just so did for the past two two and a half hours and did it. Yeah. It's set up the point that you get lost in and focused in summer and get lost it. It's interesting you mention that is he out, you know, you'll get you know lose focus and you know, you need to get lost in it somewhere. My owner to be honest, you know, I'd like to spin that and I'm gonna think of me. So if I don't keep myself mentally active or thinking about something or focusing on something, I'll go the opposite way and I'll do too much thinking and overthink things and question certain things. So I think it's you know something I've learned that I need to keep my myself active and you know, Thinking on things are going to be productive in. So for the wise it will be a negative for me and Lincoln nacelles up all you can you can jump in on this one. I don't see him. I overthink things and of a little over the last year or so. I've been going on a different journey and wanting a new career and I overthink too much and I think we the nail on the head the other week when was talking with Ben? Is if things don't hurt you and they're not illegal and don't wait for it to be perfect. Just go and do it and you pull me up a lot of times don't you lie on when what if we do this and but if this happens and if that in Liam goes rather thinking everything pole let's just do it and we do and that leads into the next question and for me. Anyway, do you have a lesson from a filly of yours? Yeah, definitely and I'd like to go on the back of what you said there. I'd rather you know. Firing range Target in front of me with loads of mrs. And you know some near misses the one that's got no shots on it. Also if you're not if you're not trying something and you're not, you know, you're not feeling you just getting closer to where you want to be. But if you're not doing anything at all, then don't got any you don't got any mrs. On. They're all so it's just like like I said before it's a experience, you know you can you can Yeah, it might be a short term feel you but then you're learning so, you know where to adjust something and you know where to go. Although what the next move is or what the next, you know where to go in the right direction for the next move. And yeah, I'm back to your question. Probably learning to talk. It's something now that's you know got massive, especially in the past. Especially especially in the past, you know a couple of years I'd say it's been best about men not really talking much of things like that. And you know, I've been there myself. I've I've not spoken what I should have done and things like that and had not been opened not being honest, but excuse me. I think if you got a problem you need to address it and you know, not not scared around it not go quiet and things like that and just just be open and honest and you know, if you're needing if you need in that to talk some more of it's a friend or family, you know, just go do it don't think about it just do it. And then once it's out there hold us all the pressure and the anxiety is gone you can you could you can get on with your job then. And I think linky back inside there's a stat pulse train and even a ball gown for the middle of the minute. They just that you mention to the day we talked about yet, but mental health and mental health awareness is absolutely just blown up on it. Right but I think I can speak with General and you know, it's come down to the club and outside of the company and other bits and I think what you'll see Jenna and it's interesting, you know with you being a professional Sportsman. They are versatile athlete. We're always talking that way about you know, I'll physical health and you know what we put in our body remember talking to you the week about in a train or what we should be doing and all the efforts but I think we are at a real big sort of peek at living in terms of changing the way we talk about our health no more. Is it just about your body? Because you know, if y'all got your mental health younger you any physical evidence that there's a stat that you just mentioned to me the other day. I'm at presentation was it was testing the about if If you want come to tell me what was that again forget, right? If if somebody had cancer you want tell them to pull ourselves together with you. I know it sounds odd stating that fat but depressions are same as cancer. It's the ball film. This is the both treatable and you go to the doctors about Wolfram Mertens. None of them will get cured from a few plants in the pool. And it's right. We need to we need to talk about mental health like it is physical health and we need to give both equal importance. I think thinking things are changing and I think he's fumbles, you know doing doing things like this get on there and talking like this. I would say it starts at conversation. What's what, you know, you'll turn up and I'm going to the club. What would you say you've noticed down there, you know and as it surprised because you know, like you mention that stat something has changed and it's starting to be I'm to give you a stop back. When I first started on this man Cobalt. There were six of us as other was small drooping eyelids. And this one here and we went from six of us and we had 66 on 63 Monday on it. Yeah, we are up to 80. It's gone from helping 250 men on a Monday night. So I think we was a very hundred this Monday night 800. Yeah, and it's growing and growing and for me, there's two sides of it, you know, we was talking week we We've been on the show is most people think you have to be at suicide are like the end to come to the club and it's all about talking and connecting. And so, you know, what would you say to anyone who's listening to this after I've been bean and witness what you see in there what you said that guy was thinking about going Well, I'm just basically son, you know, I've learned from talking. That's one of you know from my failures in my lessons. Hopefully what I had experienced myself is that it might not be exactly the same as what someone else is going through but you know the it is it could be mental health what somebody's you know struggling with and something I could speak about that. I'm going through might help somebody else then, you know, that's what I'd like to do. And that's what I like to do in the future, you know, trying to help people out and I could I could link with what some of some of them was speaking about and You know, it gives you a bit of relief and things like that and you feel that you've got something off your chest. Not only is it helping yourself, but you're helping others as well. So it's you know, it's it's quite a good environment and one was just talking about there about the professional environment. You know, I've that's all I've been in in a professional sporting environment and you know, it's such a alpha like male environment. It's you know, you you get looked at you you think you'd be looked at funny if you were to speak about something like that or weak or you know, you're not taking your your role in the team seriously or that's what you're thinking but you know, I'll be I've suffered with mental health and that was something I didn't do but you know hands like so a great thing and if I was back in that position now that is something I would be doing, you know, trying to reach out and get that help from the welfare officers or you know, I just grab a couple of the lads and say look I'm feeling Like this, do you have any advice or is there anything you can do and you know just make people aware of it. So you don't on eggshells and you're not worrying about if you're going to get laughed at or I'm or feel embarrassed or anything like that and you know deal with the right way and help them support you rather than feel that are going to be against. Yeah, and I think that's a cracking point you make that because it won't you know, it was only just for Christmas cards last day on the on the show and they had been to the club and he was talking he was like changing my research. Each and other bits and it's a real good Chum and I think I just think it's sometimes you got off. I like the one my favorite sayings polish. I love this thing. Sometimes you gotta step into the darkness to see the light. Right and I think what we're seeing with their mental health and all that type of elevates as men we've been told that we need to tough up man up, you know, especially in a bit of physical Sportsmen from it such a young age like yourself. He's an alpha male in dominated Sport and we we are scared to say that we need an and but what I also found it, so interesting those guys and when we go back on this and why I love Ruby so much is in rugby, you know, if you're on a field and you you miss a tackle and you put your hand up and you say that's how far for me that's opposite for me everyone rallies around ugly and what I found so interesting. In have been involved in the man called for so long, you know assets of originally I never had and I think I needed it. But there's a time when I had to make a big decision and change careers. Like I know you're doing the same Paul doing the same and I'd say make a massive decision. I'm allowed to make that massive decision. I didn't have everything figured out. I didn't know if I was a roof over my family's head. I didn't know where I was going, but weirdly because at the man Club I was able to go on a Monday night and just share and no one tried to fix it just get outside them fault, but it's how we Break that cycle and it Poland and get more, you know, get more people speaking. So what's your thoughts on it? I totally agree and going back to Johnson with the environment that Jantzen was in. I remember obviously of coach will be for quite a few years and one thing you don't want to show up in a tough spot. Like rugby league is weakness and I used to say to my lines when was playing. If you're at don't let your opposition know that you're at play the ball then go down five seconds later when nobody can see you because you don't want to show weakness to any your opposition. All and I think in the mail environment what used to be hopefully that the stigma is getting broken down now and it's getting broken down rapidly out up is you can show you vulnerable. You can show you a bit weak because you stronger you strong you a stronger person for coming forward and talking about your weaknesses and but years ago, I totally agreed that wasn't the case and but now even though only 12 months ago, you know, he's he's changing it and it's Quick, but I was I was talked about and vulnerability when you vulnerable it takes away all all the power of that problem. So yeah, really like that range Westing that's all point and linking backs up. Do you have like a it drove like a favorite quote are saying, you know, if you could share with the world, what is it and why? I've got them written down that I thought bringing and this is something that I'd seen, you know recently and I thought I could relate to it quite well and it's I can't remember the name of the guy that actually had written it but I was speaking to one of my friends as well. He's a Is kind of like well, he runs his own gym and things like that and he's really into quotes and reading and you know, like life coaching and things like that and I was having a chat with him and he brought this quote to me. So I think I'm going to use this one. It's your second life begins when you realize you only have one that I love that that's class. Yeah. Yeah and tell me more about that. Why about resonate so much with you? Well, you know, obviously it's probably been You know seen by a lot of people publicly of what's going on with me, you know trying to trying to try and to make an attempt to take my own life this year just gone and you know, I'll be definitely lucky. So I think I think the fact that you know, I was in the ship that I was and things like that, you know being blessed to still be here and would even be having this conversation today. Said something that was the start of my second life, but for everybody else, I think that quotes quite a good one to relate. No, but it's interesting you say that Dino and amazing that you sharing that because you know, you used to run up brick walls for a living, you know, and the tragedy are you waiting for if your body want us out. Is it bloody was it miracles do happen you say in front of us? And so I really love you for sharing up early speaking about actually run. Into brick walls. I remember was training. I think it was team run there before was oh was it we had a home game the Casey and Gareth Ellis was just coming back from injury and he needed someone to run six times at his right shoulder and runs through a job and Runners Runners like junk. Just everyone was walking out like folks. You in your Peak Peak shape, right? What was your role in that work? Well, yeah, but hundred kilos, right and then you've got what was Frank the Tank rolling in that always looking for reasons not to I don't know I reckon it hundred and twenty kilos which and this this speed at what which you always run out, you know impacts just incredible. Well, you know, but couldn't give me give me someone who is just added one of these days. That's the problem. Yeah. In a game like I'm not bothered I won't believe that you know, it didn't matter because you play in and you know you young and you kind of don't have all used try not to show respect to any of the players like that. So, you know, you want to run up there more you want to try and get them to try and make a name for yourself, but I just say through when you go in at full contact in training if you had Frank running You know you wincing a little bit but and then if you know when you when you're on that them I'd definitely say go if I live here by I'm stirring it gummy elbow meow meow is interesting. Is that when you Swatch it when you still watching this now, it seems to have like these massive arms when he like just wrap several of put his runs anywhere near him. Yeah, and it's still going. I'm all dizzy and I was still going strong 38 in it. Yeah, so you go for the next one. In the last five years what new habit or belief has had the most profound effect on your life got a couple, you know, I'm not not be enacted for that long. So I've had to try and time I'm time of Mind out really so like I said earlier reading and I kind of link that into podcasts and watching videos as well because sometimes I got a little bit, you know, it gets a little bit monotonous. I'll just I'll just put it on a on an audio and listen to it and instead, you know, I know in the morning or night time or when I'm on board throughout the day and they wanted is meditating. So I've been doing a little bit some meditation and incorporate it with a breathing pattern as well as different types different ways. You can do it if you feel that I've stood One of them's one of them. So basically what you do is you've got a think of a non-word so it doesn't make any sense that you've just met up and you've got a repeat that in at your own speed for 20 minutes and it and the Studies have shown that I can't remember what type of is called. I know I'm actually called that's when I use em trans then to run into these different and I can't His vow I will carry on but induction. I've seen it Shone like studies on the brain as being as I opened up different paths and you know different when someone's had a brain scan and throughout the time of doing it. It's opened in ensuring that different areas of the brain is being used while so actually doing it and to link trans and down. I can see all look it up in a minute. I've looked for his ball get it looking up and we'll try. why we try and work it out, but the thing on that level and it's interesting said it's because I used to be like ridiculously angry at times and frustrating just just my beliefs and stuff and A lot of it was down to just the wells raise the kid and other bits, you know in terms of just but fears and you know, the way you things are put on yet it it was nothing bad. It's just the way I interpret the world at times, you know, and trying to get my brain to slow down was like one of my biggest rules is play video games. I used to work. I got obsessed in all different bits and it was this form of meditation that we got say I found and what it was that that's that people. You said the study and I love Of this park Joe you're reading the chip book at the moment that you interested in that that wasn't called got do try and save all transcendental. That's that's the one Paul what the study said. He's your brain needs to get taken out. So you repeat this way. I'd like you're saying we can't repeat our words coming because it'll mean so it's somewhere else. Yeah. So the idea is you get given away door you choose a way that the where there's no sir. Of logical meaning so you can't Associates. All right. Now if I said that's a yellow cup you can associate means that you look up so it's just a word and you just repeat this chanteys of the yeah, and the idea is and it's proven and when I do it he's after about two to three minutes of you rip your guts out loud, or you can say into your own head and your brain gets exhausted with that word. It just gets exhausted and it just basically zones out and for me what I found from it. Was it just give me even if the 30 seconds or 10 seconds or 5 Seconds just complete escapism from that constant chat. Is that what you've been? Well, I don't know it might be different to each individual. But like I said earlier, I'm an over-thinker and whilst I'm repeating the word. I like to do it, you know silently and in my own head I sought drift off and thinking of something else at the time. So it says just to send her your thoughts and you Channel your energy back just to the middle point of view, you know way thinking about again and then once soon as I realized that I'm going off just straight back into repeating the word and then you know, it feels just like just quiet and you know restful and it's it's a Nice head space and stuff and then you know, it makes me feel relaxed and stuff after or it gives gives me energy. So it depends on what one when I do. It really are however choose to is it cracking? I've never had a conversation about that before interesting enough, but the other side where I got tan as well was capped first that I tried this for a good six months ago. I just can't get my head round it and the guy who was helping me with it. He said just think of it when you get it. It'll feel like you can just pause. Has your brain but you come out like your usual mentioned then you've got your article. If I were to meet you can't rejuvenate don't you can't redo and even a valley at times. I've got him having a massive problem sometime. I'm overthinking. I'm all I'm just about you know, and I figured I've got a lock myself in a little little room at home and then just lost myself for 10-15 minutes in there and I've come out on the ideas come to me about to fix it afterwards just by pausing, but I think that's that's Yeah, there's a visible things I've listened to as well sometimes on a night and it's like motivational, you know motivational speaking and it's just someone talking and seeing different things and it says even while she's sleeping if it's playing it can you know still have give you that positive effect or other things like different? Different sounds at different frequencies and you know wave patterns and things like that and you know that shown to have good effect on people on on study. So, you know, I'm just there's no reason why not why not? I don't think you should why shouldn't try it because if you find it find out it works for you and stick to it then, you know, you you're laughing really so it's good. No, I love that it and I'm going to call your little pocket. I think the other side of it again when you start trying these different sort of techniques sign. See Martin, you know and do different things you do go against the grain cannot talk now these techniques at school, but I remember someone saying this to me it was teaching me. It was Tony Robbins was on a course with him and he said you man says all these this negative self-talk and it talked to all these negative things and it should chimp. Yeah, but you told you it was called by the way Gemma. You know, what you got near me got give it a comedy man's called. It's a trap Batman is called Eric. Me laughs and it's within which we named Janos gym today. Yeah, come on. What is it for you to cut it been it's just getting outside about that man that monkey man and getting that controlled. One of the bits always been to do though because you know, but that's the point some of the stuff of what I learned from. So I've been some of the books and videos. I got a few easier you was going through Doing them costs as well. Yeah, but what he said the one thing to me what really the couple of things like sort of change is change for me was change your story change your life, which I love that little quote from is but you also mentioned about this negative self-talk we have so, you know, we all know what negative self-talk, you know you before game day you might have been worried about what's going on or even game day right into running said Gareth if I really care about this is he knows now all the rest of it, right and we're getting in life W. No proper for this podcast. I was in I was nervous before I was interviewing new. We all get nervous at different points and it's getting a group of that negative self-talk and all he said somebody said right. Can you accept that? You have negative self-talk and what ya got still got lots of it. So why can't you have positive self-talk and said, you know, when you meditate in the morning took 5 minutes, you know, positively say what you're going to do. I am going to do this today. I'm going to do that today to talk positively T cells and exactly kills mention that and that that changed my whole outlook on it you like the I can't remember what my brain does told me negative stuff all day long all day long. Well, if you if you say it out loud, you know positive or negative and whether it's a someone or you know, you self you you're going to hear it. So it subconsciously it's going to be in your brain use if you train yourself to say positive things to yourself. It's going to take it on board. I've not write it down and that's something that could can help you as well. But well, I'm a back. That like gin soil just company. It's like kind of talking and talking it into existence really if you keep mentioning something negative often cannot something- chance of our chances are when it happens. It's not It's not going to be a surprise, you know, it's probably going to be inevitable or you know dope it's not going to be a shock. So if you can do it positive if you can do it negatively try it positively and you know, see what happens that could change for the good as well. Well, it's a bit like you're the only part in terms of you know them costing them a little bit you got given a new static on this little pest now development JD. I'm what would you answer? The personal Journey I've been going on. I've been going on it for the last 16 months now and especially in the last 6 months my journey, I could have taught a lot of negative to myself and also people of sport negative to me about my career going forward and I think the only do it because the care and Don't something safe, but over the last six months. I've done what I want to do and the path I want to go in and so the self-development that I've done is been I wants a selfish but for once in my life, I absolutely know what path I want to take and before that. I was you've got a word for it what I was doing. Yeah activity must go into company. That's correct. Yeah, but you know, we always get busy we don't run at the biggest thing. Wanna go out and we all get scared that we're always put off, you know, we can be whatever you want to be football. Man's when we can we go running up that big thing. I'm a huge believer that but the other side of it. I think this is some other students learn recently more so and I think the point we were discussing was having that conversation around in life when you start doing things for yourself because I put your own mask on first, you know, you gotta get yourself back in order and you know the genuine at the moment you rebuilding these old few people. Crea you looking all nudist of just offer them. Look at you Paula same and we're always doing that all of us are always taking risks and the interesting thing that when you start putting your own mask on first getting yourself side that allows you to be able to look after other people as well. But what happens is and it's just the other human beings. We all like to make sure that we're all looked after all say that's holidays. And but the challenge is, you know, you look at all of our Journeys were all doing when you try to explain someone when you've got a cars bigger than what I remember. Say that the bank club and I got told by loads of people very close to me. What you doing that for and I couldn't explain why I was doing I was doing it because I never met one of the cultures right Brett tragic took his own life and that the massive impact on on my thinking of I'm in love and you'll Paul's suffering on your foot for vengeance of friend and I originally went down to give it technology to know in terms of never my intention to run a club. I was too busy to self-importance when I think I could run a club, right? I'm his mom misses you when we get over myself and said get it done and I did and it was the greatest things. I did doing that but people around me was telling me I'm not the right talking about the time you running these businesses that businesses I even had crazy things saying that you've got people in Hell coming down, they'll follow you home and they'll do stuff to you if I'm wearing all these mad crazy things, right which potentially could have happened right? I can understand. I'll just put it on that point though. But you know when I have conversations with my close ones, you know family and Mum for example, and I tell her things I think to me is a great idea and I can see you know, the positives and where I could take something because that's probably why I was thinks I liked I want to try to be the best at something or doing the best of what I'm doing and you know mumbles. Oh, maybe reply with some negative things or So I don't think I'll drive goes well and in my head, it's like it don't help how I'm seeing it because I don't agree with what she's saying, but you know deep down that's probably how looking out for me and you know be that's her way of like you just said the people that said your cat doing it because they're scared and they're want you to be safe. You know, they want to make sure that you are doing the right trying to protect you and I think the interesting point you make in that is Other people project their fears onto you and the challenge is until you learn that and we go through all that and you can pick up on that. It makes a big is different and a little startled say that and is having business. I've run different businesses and doing the job. I do I have to take risks differently similarly on the Rugby field got to take risks and you look at the vision of winning don't you know winning in business when you didn't spot various know there's no difference you've got Right, but you do make mistakes, but if you focus on you know, making the mistakes like you can't focus on losing. Can you if you went on to rubyville folks about everything you're gonna get wrong you'd never win but on the flip side of that and this goes back down to circles. We always talk about and you got to be careful of who you speak to her about certain things and that's the radio and drained so like ma'am when I speak to her that I'm going to remortgage me out. So I'm going to risk everything and I'm going to put it on put it on. My chips on doing this business every method was she wants me to get a good job Ivan else and keep me safe. She don't want me risking it all and some of that at might not work out but the challenge is getting over yourself and getting two different circles to ask that question of other people or can answer that backwards being that and that's the that's the difficult and we share that we probably do. Well, we do me being focused on the career path that want to take and I could have took the easy option and gone back into production and got my paycheck every month. Just plot it on, but I want to be fulfilled in it and I've got to a point now and 50 years of age and in our look about 22 and he's lying and then I got to a point now where I got We do need September but I've gotten another job straight after quite fortunate and it good money good prospects, but it won't my passion. It won't fulfill in me. So I made a conscious decision to jump ship and ivory educated myself and a lot of clothes people around me were frightened for me and I was frightened for myself. I was asking myself. I had done the right thing. I was asking myself every single day have I done the right thing? And we only connect the dots looking back. We can't connect the dots looking forward and looking at the dots looking back. I believe I've made the right decision and it's my job now to make myself a success going forward and hopefully the passion and drive I've got I'll do that. Hopefully it will then it's back to in terms of the skills that you've got and the lessons you've learned. And just that comment you mentioned, you know the comment the court you've learned the second life. I look around the town and I look at my friends and people and some people just don't get it. Do they and I think you know, it's a miracle that we do we do get sort of like reborn again, and we see you. I always call it about your focus on what really matters and and get out there. I'm just a humble and you know grateful that I have been given a second chance and that you know, I'm only 23 years old, so you know, I'm not it's not like I'm married got kids, you know got businesses to lose like there's some people that I haven't learned that and an older age when there's things that could lose and kind of, you know can affect them even more. They don't understand that yet and hopefully I've got the tools now or not. I know how to deal with that. If I if I faced, you know feeling any kind of we're in the future that I can I can understand that whereas, you know, there's some people now that are old and older me that dot haven't learned that yet. Well, I mean, it's not one of the questions on the what would what we're going to ask today, but we're what you just saying now. Just thought I'd throw it in because I can and Looking looking now. You're only 23 and if you live to 85 or whatever, is that all the 23:23, he's got a while it looked yeah, it looks it looks images myself. Yeah, and he's 23 for lives. 285 is got absolute is six judgey is in front of him, right? So you rugby career is going to be a very small percentage of your life. So going forward then what do you see Jansen Target doing or what? Would Jansen take it like to do now Leon's been asking me this for the last 10 years, right? And it's a little last year or so. I probably could give him an answer yet. It's week six weeks six weeks. Yeah, but what would Jansen say get like to do in the next 60 years? Speak to the big question firstly I think you know one some fully recovered. I'll know to what extent I can actually do. But you know, I'd like to dream big and still carry on in sport, you know in somewhere whether it's will be or something else. I don't know but you know, I love sports. Oh something around spot. I'd like to do, you know even being involved in it and some kind of where you know, I don't know what level whether it be, you know, something Grassroots with amateur Lads are dealing with professionals, but sport is one of my love's that is something I'd like to do and With me on the on the on the road of all Community Mental Health. I'd like to help people in that aspect and that area of things as well, you know, whether it's talking to people and you know helping them and you know, I think it goes without saying I've definitely got a story to tell with my life and you know, I thought even if it's you know going to be doing talks about that or something, I don't know exactly what because I don't know what is accessible what isn't but that is something that I pictured myself, you know, hopefully doing in the future you do it now, you know it on the shore and I was that we talked about and you don't you've come to that you've come to man Coffee Spot in there. You've been active there in the background and you open us there and I always talked about that that that next man we talked about those before right and our massive believer in if you can share one idea it can change your life. You know, I'm running over one idea or we're from you know, either due to its stupid or change our lives forever, right which we know and you sharing your message on here, you know hundred percent of an impact you're on that path and also keep the only doing in and it linked this links really nicely really nicely. You said you liked it see them up there. Yeah, knowing what you know now what advice would you give to his two younger version of your what do you give him up to one bit of advice that you know, you'd give yourself a one bit of advice that they should ignore one. My dad used to tell me anywhere was dot dot trust everyone as all is not as it seems so, you know, just don't trust everyone. Some people come across as a friend who will real but you know until you're in a till you're in a tight place or you know to dispute or something like that. There wasn't ever really friend. That was an acquaintance and you know, it's not something they're not the kind of people you you want in your life really and just like real them real and fake looks like an illusion like an optical illusion some of your friends that you know in your head you think I'm gonna be friends with them for the foreseeable future, you know, probably the rest of your life and you're not really because he was never really a friend. Anyway, you just was doing things that you both enjoy it and you thought that you was and you know, the other aspects of things is There's probably people you don't think you're really close with all you know, you think our I don't really think that be there for me, but when you are down in that in that place there they're feeling you think well, fuck it out. I never expected that person who also saw it is fink. I didn't expect I expected. Him to be excused my met but I didn't expect him to that because we're not that close when you know, if you flip it on its head. It's probably because they're meant to be there and you know, they're not meant to be in your life. If someone's not in your life that someone above you know doing work for you. It's not it's for a reason. I mean that's it's more comes with agent of in difficulty. We in professional sport and sometimes life is a bitter pill to swallow in it. And but that's the other side of it. You know, that's all statement. There is has it that like at the man comes along, you know people help each other for the right reasons there. That's why I do all that environment. And I know that I call it Frenemies. Yeah, he's just the way the world is it in it unfortunately, but these things nicely going for it. This will just be one is what I could teach myself would be gratitude as well and like said about hands like, you know, it's a great thing and you know, the hard harsh reality is you could die tomorrow. So be grateful of what you actually have Jeremy and I was a child playing professional rugby. Like you said I kept in England Academy turkey at Captain Holocene one of the friendless, you know, I've been grateful enough to be in the squad to go to Wembley twice and that was all about the age of 22 and they'll be some 22 year olds. That would be loved to be a full-time professional Sportsman, but I think that was because of You know the type of person I am you strive for greatness you want to do more so it wasn't really enough but looking back on it. I should have just been patient and you know, I'd that gratitude and be grateful and look back and realize that you are already doing well. So just continue what you're doing. But you know, sometimes when you always want more it doesn't always feel like you doing enough. Right, then we all at times feel been out and focused on energized overwhelmed. What do you do and it felt for what questions do you ask yourself? Well, I definitely over think that's not want to do her and said go train, you know as best I can like when I go hospital I couldn't really train until the first of the first week in December was when I got my my results and my x-rays back to say that I'm you know, I'm allowed to start training and my Physio and Rehabilitation and things so yeah, I'd had to like I had to like change it and you know simplify it take it back to basics and just do things in like myself into a routine because first for someone that was always, you know doing something and You know that that wasn't something I was doing anymore. So I had to keep myself occupied and that routine was helping me with that. But obviously now that I can go about training. It's starting to give me that you know, probably when I was in that Sports environment, you didn't really enjoy training because it's a job and he was made to do it Jeremy you get told how many reps have something you have to lift and how you have to do it and things like that. But you know, I love going to the gym and things like that now and it's something that I use. Two for granted and like I said about being grateful that I joined the Earth actually joining the gym. That's another one that I'd probably 50 pounds or less 50 pounds or less. Yeah. So, you know just going to the gym doing a bit of training trying to get a sweat on doing my Rehabilitation and just sitting in the sauna having a chat with some random blocks. I've never met they'll probably tell me a story to tell me what you know what they're feeling like how they're feeling out. I'll be giving some back as well and and yeah, so that's a training routine simplifying things and then just asking myself the question now, I know one again and you know, am I being honest with myself if I'm feeling like a certain way with someone and I feel that I need to say something in a setting where Then if I feel I should do it. I'll tell them because I like to be I like to be an honest person and you know, I like to try and be honest with myself and just think you know how much training hard enough yet or am I doing the adequate Reba I should be doing or you know, I'm a eating the right things and just being, you know being honest being honest with myself and you know, I suppose it's like discipline and being strict with yourself really, so it's just a question that You know if I'm feeling burnt out I laughter keep blinking back to that. Really I like that one. I like the old are the be honest with yourself and only self accountable having some of the Audi skills to master because it's easier said than done it. Yeah. Definitely. I like this question who in the world. Would you like to interview past our present and why? I've always been a big boxing fun because my dad used to box. And I remember actually one time they do you know what we can to encourage. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so do you see my dad used to turn above that without Jeff Ram? Yeah Fortune pasta and Tony both. Yeah legendary whole boxer. Yeah and a few of us and I think I would have been I won't even have been in like primary school yet and it was a converted Loft. So, you know, the the roof was like slammed at the edge and I was right at the edge of some You know for like one kilogram works I was doing like punches above my head and then I put my hand and went straight through the ceiling and the Jeff Ramos said to my letters like he's not it's not allowed here again, I'm Banning him. So, you know, that was boxing something that's been installed for me from be young really am I'm a big fan and linking back to the question. I'd probably say Mike Tyson. I was going to pick Muhammad Ali but you know, Mike Tyson had a bit of a Interesting character and you know, I'd like to pick his brains and you know is definitely a different sides to him and you know, probably well you could definitely say that he's struggled with mental health himself. And yeah, I think isn't is a unique character that I'd like to study in a great honor name each other. I'd like to know who's your favorite? box rattling minute current box at the minute because it's athlete - a division all the math abilities. There's some some great Fighters out there at the moment. Yeah. Like again Sonny Sonny Tello probably serve a symbol. Come on. Serena is coming on. These are Johnson's going to sort it out for a sorry. I don't know. There's a few really. I like the I like Joshua is a you know, it's done really well to come off the back of that loss and you know, nobody was expecting everyone was saying, oh it's going to be a number of p and everyone I brought him off a girl. He yeah, he changed his style everything like yeah, you know lost work things like that. And you know, it just shows true champion has to Get beaten all yeah, it might not be a loss. You don't have to be a loss for somebody to get beaten. But you know, in this case it was an actual loss and you know for him to come back from it. I like tasting videos. Well, I think is you know a very talented man. Yeah. I think he I think has been a big change in his psyche under the way he's holding himself at the moment again interesting and then recently, I don't know if it's a McGregor and you watch the well, you know Then three people are probably up there with a three biggest names in you know in fighting and Tyson Fury is not actually lost a fight, you know, it was a drug and while there but one of you know only the first person ever to get up off of while the bombers. Well, yes, he did. You know, like I said, he hasn't actually got a loss on his record, but his mental health was checking into a lost you I mean it was you want boxing for a long time. It was out. Sport and from to even come back and be on a professional boxing platform and you know back out there doing what it does. I think that she was robbed as well. Yeah, it was but we'll see what happens when he fights next month God again. So is it been an hour already bashed that done floor gone, we've enjoyed it, but we always like to ask this this Final on, you know got lots of time. Is there anything else we should have asked you but we didn't or anything you want to talk about that we didn't ask. when you was mentioning about like a scene that one I'm Ben's podcast you did with the news men should in you know, you might notice from school that someone's got business mindset and our mentality and I used to when I was at that picture and I used to go to herons Foods on the nighttime and I used to buy loads of sweets and cans I'd get like four cans for one pound and I go sell each can Fork It figures I'm making 12 pound off like three pound at school and business numbers that grape is and then selling, you know sweets that you get you got like five for a quid but sir lamorak, we reach my profit margins were quite good and my stepdad was a it was real good downloading things on the internet real and you know new films that won't even know what this Cinema yet. So so I had a little book I used to write. I used to write the list down. I think it was running rather the foot soldier to or something was coming out. So feel like that and I started this book to school and show them the list of DVDs and just I can get in bed onto this for you. And I think it was like three quitted disk or 10 420 quit and I used to I used to be coming with two bags to school like chocolates comes and do it. It's a basically use like a mobile. What was that? You know, I'm just a Blockbuster on the field, but it was that you've got busted out there in there. I love that house but entrepreneurial man that I love that and I'm I'm really pleased that you came on the show real and raw and rather big thing. Like, you know, be like you don't have on the pitch. Love Tommy back on I'm gonna be interested and it's gonna be great to watch what's going to be coming next and I can't believe he's only 23 and went loads today. I weigh. Yep and good luck on your real Rehabilitation. Thank you. 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It's OK not to be OK the Road to Recovery EXPLICIT CONTENT. Hull FC & Salford EX professional Super League player Jansin Turgut. A Hull lad through and through, Jansin played professional rugby for Hull FC & Salford. Represented England Academy under 18s v Australia Schoolboys in 2014. Going on to make his professional debut in the Super League Match 5th 2015 against Leeds Rhinos. Jansin also went onto captain Turkey's national side in the emerging nations 2018 world Championship. Sharing his love and passion for the game sharing stories of players he's had the pleasure to play alongside. As always we dig deep on real problems, people wrestle, with none bigger than the battle Jasin has been tackling with his own mental health. Sharing for the first time that the Ibiza car park fall was an attempt to take his life. We uncover how Jansin is now working to control his mind, as he shares the tools and strategies he has put in place, from transcendental meditation to getting back into the gym. A great supporter of Andys Man club, Jansin is fired up like never before to run head-on and help to tackle the stigmas that still surround mental health. Sharing “I didn’t want to end my life; I wanted to end the pain I was going through." A lesson learned following him having to endure breaking both my legs,             “I broke my pelvis in half. I fractured L1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 in my spine and then I broke every bone in my face.” He highlighted Tyson Fury’s message of support as a particular inspiration. He said: “Laid in the hospital bed seeing that brought me to tears and I couldn’t quite believe that he’d… for somebody that suffered from mental health and has been able to put himself back into the game, the sport of boxing as well and overcome it. Jansin has never been more determined in his life given his “second chance” to run at the big thing. He is helping others by sharing his story and helping organisations such as Andys Man Club to bang the drum that it is Okay To Talk. Take a listen to this week's Podcast. 