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We answer all that and more here on The Bachelorette after show you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now let the ladies and gentlemen Welcome to The Bachelorette after show here on AfterBuzz TV. We are here. Discuss season 15 episode 5 of our favorite show on ABC that is of course The Bachelorette starring Hanabi and I'm not alone. I'm joined by two of my wonderful and Brilliant co-panelists. Let's start with Renee tonight sitting on the end. Oh my gosh. Hey you guys what and episode 1 episode and Christine good to see you. Good to see you too. Jeff. I am in my feelings over here. So let's Dive Right into this we gotta get right into it. And that's right guys. My name is Jeff Graham. I'm before Devon - I want to really quickly say first of all, thank you guys for all the comments last week. It was so great. Great to have you guys so engaged in our chat second of all a lot of you guys were coming at me with some really really great feedback that I really appreciate. So I just wanna let you guys know we read all of your comments. We really appreciate them and I'm doing as much as I can to learn what I need to as we continue to cover the show and just be really really appreciate the feedback and I take it very seriously and we all take it very seriously right means a lot. So thank you. Please continue the comment and know that we read it and we value it. Okay, let's get to our overall thoughts Christine. How did you feel about this episode as a whole as a It was such good TV. Like there's so much to impac but that last half hour of the show was absolutely brutal like yeah and are we didn't achieve our lime live watch along today, but I know the panel could agree that we were just cringing hard hard hard. I felt really let down by my girl and Hanabi this week. I'll be honest. I was not a fan of some of her choices. What did you think Renee? Yeah. I feel like we saw the epitome of Luke's toxic - I would say Day, and it was very hard to watch Hannah even though and I know we'll get to this later. But like let's be honest. This was once again a Luke the episode just watching how she handled it was very very difficult for me love the episode. But wow, it was a long time of that. Yeah. It was a pretty good episode. It was a lot of Luke p and for those of you guys who are frustrated by what you thought might have been me going a little easy on Luke P this week. You'll probably be more happy with my take this week because I'm getting over it. I'm having trouble with it and I just think this is a classic example of someone who doesn't listen like I just feel like he's really refusing to listen to any of the guys. He's refusing to listen to Hannah and he's even refusing to listen to himself. I feel like or the signs that are around him and we're gonna get into it more later in the episode, but it's frustrating to watch someone who's got such a distinct wall up and just not receive anything that's happening around him. What's even doubly frustrating to that is just how much time we're spending on it like Do we not have more interesting plot lines coming? Yeah. So the season that we were five episodes into the season halfway through and we're still on this same guy. That's a good point. It's just a lot of the same time. Yeah, I'm ready for more but we did get some other stuff in this episode that we're going to talk about. But of course we let's go ahead and start we're going to cover chronologically. So the first thing we get is Lucas versus Luke P. We finally get this settled. I don't feel like there's anything particularly insightful here. Well, I don't know what What are you thinking? I thought it was very interesting that Hannah wanted Luke asked to talk to Luke he directly when he came over. Oh, yeah. Yeah, pretty much what we saw was what we already had seen except Hannah was present. So it was Luke P still lying and Lucas still telling him. Hey, but you said this I was so bored by it to be honest with you. And then when Hannah just walked away and didn't deal with it was like frustrated instead of being like Oh wait, maybe neither of these people should maybe I I should not. Yeah, she you know, yeah that kind of annoyed me that she's at them down just to walk away from the situation. We actually saw Colton do the same thing with Anika and Nicole. He sat them down during his season hash it out and just peace out on the conversation don't think it was a smart way to deal with it. But to your point Jeff, it was more of the same and at the end of it, you know, Luke kind of Luke s made his decision to leave anyway. So the one thing I really like to is actually the way Hannah handle this I know all three of us got frustrated by the way Han has handling some of this stuff. But I love that she sat both of them down and when they tried to talk to her she said no, no. No, I want you to talk to each other. What a great litmus test to see what someone's really like and that's that's the thing. She's really looking for from these guys is who actually are these people, you know, it would be kind of nuts to think I'm on this highly produced show where there are camera ever the cameras everywhere and in some ways people are competing to try to win my heart that's going to mess with the way people really act and behave right? So she's doing her best to create situations to really see these people for who they are and I love that. She'd pitted Luke pee and poo gas against each other and tried to step away from it. I wish you would have stayed in the room like you mentioned but she just couldn't take it and I honestly can't blame her because that would drive you crazy that would start to make you nuts knowing that you may or may not be seeing the real size of these people. How do we feel about the fact that Lucas left himself funny? It's like it's like when Heather left like well, you know, you're not going to win and I guess he kind of figured he'd go home that night even though I don't think as a viewer. Don't think he was going to go home that night, especially when that scene validated when Chris Harrison took away the Rose when he sent himself home implying that that Rose was for him. But like we all know because we've seen The Bachelor when this kind of thing happens, they both either stay or one's clearly wrong and then that person goes they or they both go but like in this situation where she would have looked bad like, let's be honest. She would look bad if she only sent home Lucas I think he absolutely would have stayed. I just don't think he knew that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean if I'm thinking like Lou guess it was just going to be an uphill battle from that point and I think he knew that he didn't quite have that relationship with Hannah that it would Outlast this like just just call it what it is and hundred percent. I mean tomorrow Fuller in our chat Gris. She says loukas was a Class Act and left without the ceremony also that to like to get defamed. His character sneered that way and then we sent home for it and not feel like you're being heard which is what he came across to me. Like he just didn't feel like Hannah believed like what he was saying that he was here for the right reasons. So he just left. I mean, yeah, and I think being in that kind of situation with someone who is so toxic and manipulative and kind of a little bit of a psycho. You're like, are you kidding me? Like I would be offended like you don't believe me. Me literally every other person in the house is agreeing with me except for you because you like him and he's in he's manipulating you the rest of us. He doesn't want anything from us. So this is his true like you learn about someone when there's conflict and when you can no longer offer them anything if you can't do something for someone that's when you should pay attention to how they treat you. Hmm. What's that? Well, let's go ahead and continue to conversate. Oh the one thing I wanted. I do we think she would have picked blue guess because this week but I mean I stick by what I said last at last week. He's done. He's been done. He's not going to win not going to make it far right but he would have made it past your sister. Very interesting. Well Jeff we move on absolutely topic. We just want to say thank you guys for making us the ESPN a TV talk but for us to continue to grow we need your help. 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So this is when the group finds out they're going to Scotland kind of excited. What would you prefer Scotland or Fort Lauderdale Scotland? Why are you sure? No, it's just I think we all were taken aback at how not excited. They were though considering when Hannah told them they were going to Rhode Island or Chris Harrison rather. They were like they freaked out but of the moon what was the season where they all went to Fort Lauderdale because that was my favorite contestants have never been so excited and We've joked about in this panel I season it might have been already seasoned but you guys let's all do a quick reenactment of how the guy sounded when they found out. They were going to Scotland. One two, three. Are they all from Scotland? Is that why I liked it? Are they just there before the show started? Is that where auditions were? I wonder if they were like told something else earlier than production found out there. Like you guys were going to Mallorca everyone's like yeah and like actually is Scotland. My work is a place right? That was bad. Where is that cited that you can knows Mykonos? Yes. That's what I meant. All right, so we get another kind of cryptic toast from Hannah. I will say as much as I love Hannah and I think she does a good job of expressing your feelings. Sometimes her like General big group statements can get a little Confusing for me they go to a pub they all have beer and she says cheers to focusing on the real. Let's reset from here on out. I can open my heart. So I guess from here on out hand is going to open her heart. I like the sentiment but I found it to be very confusing. I don't know what you guys thought of Hannah speech here. I have a new Theory. I think this season is getting sponsored by the panel show the real because the amount of times that girl has said it per episode this season. I mean we get it. Yeah, I No idea. She just makes me teaches and I think she doesn't know what she's going to say, but she just starts to talk and then hope it goes somewhere which we've all done up for sure. But I think she doesn't so much because she's so scared of making a dose of like messing up. So now she just keeps talking. Yeah, but that was like the first of many confusing things. She said over the course of the night where I was like girl. What are you saying? Why I just yeah, it's I think she self-aware to because she even started it like I know yet. What are y'all thinking? What's about to come out of my mouth? And I'm like same girl. Yeah, the chat pod has a very Good point to we did say goodbye to our beloved. Jpj. Tom called owns. Yeah, we can't Overlook bad Mateo who I think maybe said five words this season but is piqued our curiosity right? Talk about a like forgotten story line right there. This guy fathered a hundred and Seventeen kids according to his bio as a sperm donor and we never got that conversation Wieck. We could have met them all we could just say it just it would have been something else besides the same drama each week. So mattei is about to get its own reality show like on VH1 my 100 Kids. And John Paul Jones could potentially be in Mexico this summer guys. Definitely be in Paradise. I feel like we will see Jack DJ again. He's a hero and we miss you. Jpj. Also sausage party Grant is still here WTF on that one that blew my mind. Also Devon like where a guy just this is why the show's frustrating me at this point because now you keep him guys and have no idea why they're there well because he's a talent manager and when Hannah season these start selling those sugar bear hair vitamins someone to help write those checks. That's why Devon's We'll see it could be you know, some of the we had curb we had some blue late bloomers last season. So maybe we'll see some interesting twists with some of the people who are left. Okay, let's talk about let's go ahead and talk about Mike and Hannah's one-on-one because that's what we got into next. Overall. This was a solid one-on-one. I'm starting to see a real relationship developed between Mike and Hannah and I know I started Mike was my number one. I said, I was ready to propose to him. He's lost a couple points based on ways. He's handled certain. Ins but he really brought it back up from and loved him this episode. Yeah, I think they had a great day. They also had like one of those normal Bachelor dates kind of the same one that Jed had when they went to Boston just walking around and join things together, which to me tells me that Mike is going to go pretty far. I feel like he got that really serious front-runner. Like I really like you I want to just have alone time with you kind of date and I think he did a really good job at wooing Hannah like it's clear to me that they're smitten with each other. Discuss this off are that I don't know that they're further than that yet, but it's definitely smitten with each other. She flat-out called him fun funny handsome and adventurous like sounds like he's checking all the boxes for her. I gotta be honest though with everyone and I mean everyone on the season currently with loopy still there. I don't think she even has them as like, maybe she's like dude don't make it far. I don't think she's thinking of anyone else being the winner despite the issue. She's having with Luke p i Think she is a little bit of Television. I think she's a lot of fun with everyone but I don't see like different levels. Like I see Peter bike more Garrett because of his kissing while socio and Jed I think okay. So Garrett's will be a little higher. Oh no Jazz hired. Okay, Laura Jed Peter Mike and who else my whatever those guys I think are all in the same lawyer and Tyler like the same level resident Loop. He was on top a bit. I don't see anyone. Just like in close second place. I think was a basic cute date love his smile really craved candy after it, but I don't see him being a front-runner after this date because of her also distracted by Luke P. I agree to me this seems like a really great first Tinder date or maybe like a really great second Tinder day, but it was a fumble maybe bombo fair or maybe hinged. Unfortunately. I got booed up before the dating app Revolution. So I have very little knowledge on that. But yeah. I can't really must be nice. But I do kind of feel like there was like a sense of like boyish giddiness with Mike. He was like, I love that we can be silly. He often referred to how important silliness was in a relationship, but I don't think we got necessarily like as real as we'd want to on another relationship. It was cute. It was cute. That's what about yeah. Listen, we don't even make a deeper than was it was cute. If there were deep moments. They definitely didn't show them but I enjoyed watching it. It's interesting the chat definitely has some mixed feelings about Mike State some people are saying That a bee says Mike is scared of women that he's so nervous and he was definitely nervous. Yeah, and a lot of people are just saying that he was a little too smiley and giddy throughout the gate throughout the day, but I don't necessarily have a problem with that. I have no problem with that. I don't know. He said I think think I'm thinking so much about Mike's background and he came in with such a heavy back story about what happened with this x which also leads me to believe. I don't know how much relationship experience he has or maybe that one was just such a deep one that that's the When he keeps referring to so I feel like this new experience with Hannah like I believe him. I believe he sincerely like smitten and enjoying this moment. Yeah. It's like a like what freaky dog love? Yeah. I like nothing's real yet with them. I totally buy it. I mean gosh you guys, you know, when you like someone or when you think someone's cute and you just can't wipe that stupid smile off your face. Like that was Mike exactly. I think I'm guessing that Mike isn't necessarily Hannah's type. I feel like she's not in that sort of like the goofy Smiley guy. It seems like Likes more of the brooding aggressive romance novel cover because it didn't bother her that Luke P literally attack Luke Luke s on the Rugby field. Why would you think that so I feel like like Mike might be a lot of people's type. Like, I think a lot of women are attracted to sort of the light-hearted smiley goof and I don't think at her core. That's Hannah's type because most of her guys are right she needs to Showcase bouncer out. So I spare I think they've got I think both of them know that they're both great people but probably not long game. Oh, I think he thinks he's like like oh this could work out. I think she is having fun with it and truly isn't thinking about anyone but look P. It's also a good point loved by you brings up that she does like Peter who's for sure. Smiley goofy. That's what I'm saying. Like, I think she she finds that stuff adorable and to your point Renee. She probably sees a little bit of that in all these guys that she's keeping on the same level exactly. I get I get what you mean, but I do think Mike has the juice to kind of surpass that I do. We'll see I like him. He I think he makes her still with all that boyish charm like makes her feel secure because Turns it on and is immediately like I think what you said at the end of the day was so telling that he's like I can see myself getting down on one knee to you like who else has said that besides Luke saying he's in love with her but just reassuring her that he can get there it also feels and I'll say like not as bad because I think we already hit the Luke P. I'm falling for you week two, but I mean be to already feel ready to get down on one knee like it's been fun. I mean sure but this is their first one. Noun 1 I just little skeptical about it. But I think I don't think it comes from a disingenuous place. I think he's like like puppy dog. Look at could do it. I want this. I don't think it's a real like I'm ready for it. I think he's just you know that she waited. Okay. I actually I think I'm somewhere in Middle you too. It's where I'm landing on that. Okay, let's talk about the full frontal group date. We got tonight. So the three sports that were assessing tonight our axe throwing running with Got buckets of milk and wrestling. I need some explanation here. What were the metrics on how we assess these Sports? Especially with the milk one. How do you win it? Does there need to be a certain amount of milk left? None of this is explained and I found it to be very frustrating. I just think you haven't dated in a while. This is typically like the first second third day. Got it fair enough about the Game Dev. This is what we do. I just I love a good competition, but I also love rules and when they were racing, thank you and And you know people are hanging back to protect the milk, but then people who spilled all the milk lost or won and I just found dead. I was like this is not reasonable because look how much more milk Jed has I got frustrated. Let me know what you guys think in the comments. Let's go to actually talk about the date though. That one more quick about the date. Did we feel weird about all of the full frontal male nudity blacked out by ABC tonight or did it bother us? Why like who what producer was like, you know what the were killed? No underwear underneath that would be great. Whereas On The Bachelor and we talked about that that would never ever happen and the fact that they were like flashing children in the audience. Yeah, and they made clear they made it us. What am I saying? They made us sure to see that there were kids because they did Zoom ins of like mothers covering their child's eyes. Like why why right I just think it was just a silly date to be honest even me who is a sports fan and I get that We're going to get a lot more of those theme dates with the guys being the contestants here, but I just think it's stupid. It is kind of sexist because it wouldn't fly if it was women and I'm just tired of seeing that like these group dates. Don't do anything. Like there wasn't even any drama from this one. It was just silly. Yeah. I don't really care. I have a theory that maybe Hannah just wanted to sneak peek before Fantasy Suites to start to weed out some of the guys but oh just kidding. I'm joking. She even admitted that it's not the what did she say? It's not the size of The the axe it's how you use it was what she said. So equal opportunity. Did she say that it was something like that? Jeez Hanna Hanna we must acknowledge that Hannah is one of the more openly sexual bachelorettes we've ever had which I say, I'll power to ya right Hannah. She's being honest. I'm not mad at that. I just don't like the way they exploited the guys in. This one's a little uncomfortable weird. Well, the only I think big notable moment from the sports component of this group date was when Jed boldly pinned handed down. Down for a kiss and poured milk on himself Jed. Definitely. I was peacocking a bit during this one little bit. How do we feel like it played she was into it, right? I think she was into it. I don't even think the guys responded that poorly to it. Like I think they just made himself a little more known this week that he's being more aggressive with the chase with Hannah like not exactly like falling back but taking that moment because in a couple of group dates prior people were upset when Luke was kissing Hannah in front of everybody at the group date, but I mean, he's also the villain I think Jed was Like all right. I'm in the lead. Let me do this little extra move and solidify myself with Hannah. Yeah, it's all about execution. If you do it in a way that doesn't seem like you're trying to piss off other guys. Is that going to solve all their guys also like just be respectful of one another and they'll understand that you're on a dating reality show. Yeah, the guys didn't seem that bothered by so I wasn't angry. Yeah played fine speaking of Jed and Hannah's relationship later that night at the cocktail party. They had a nice little makeout session lot of dairy are rubbing. Being on that bench in the middle of a Scottish Castle while the way I'm trying my best to keep this at least at least as PG-13 as possible. Kevin was not having it though. Kevin walked in and he could not look away 15 to 20 seconds is actually a very long time to keep staring a little unsettled. If I do have to I wouldn't have admitted that if I said--and stared at making out that intensely for 15 to 20 seconds and they go. Oh, yeah there for like five seconds. There's a crazy and then I left. 20 seconds stare at me for 20 seconds. I don't know if I can do this guy's don't know if I can't eat that. You're beautiful. I just looks could kill some other some other way. This was edited. There's the timer somehow the way this was edited actually started playing out as a I think it made Kevin look a little Charming even though if we're looking at it from an objective standpoint, it's a little weird. Oh, I think it made him look really awkward. Yeah. It's very awkward fair enough. So and other big connections and I shared a lot of hot make-out sessions. Has Peter did his best to mount her on a pool table? I loved that. I think he's so cute. I like these let's try it again. Yeah cute that would work for you. He's just the most like awkwardly cute person. It just always seems to work for him. Even when he just does something that's like a little cringe-worthy. I'm like man Peter you just got something about him, you know how you know how you know, she likes him, you know dang. Well if a guy had tried to put you down and hit your head and you didn't like him You would have reacted but if you liking you been like suck it up suck it up. It hurts when you bump your head even a little yeah, she was like am I pretend it didn't happen and he was the one that I acknowledge it that was cute. And that's how you can tell she was she's into Peter. She's in handy, right? She just wanted to say she made out on a pool table before guys. Yeah, because with here we all put on our bucket list is wanted a pool table makeup not saying it hasn't happened. Maybe an air hockey table. Also exciting. That would be exciting scary would break Lucky's like more Lick it right there. Well, I'm only just depends on who you're with OK. We have a comment that he's very adorkable. I agree in the comments. It's a good way to put it. So who else some other good connections out. We have to talk about Tyler see who guys I you know, my stance on Tyler see Bachelor Nation loves him. I think he's full of it. He wore his killed in case Hannah wanted to sneak another peek. I can't do with Tyler sees lines. I'm not here for it. What did you guys think of the Tyler sees decision to wear it killed? Nothing, I could totally see Tyler doing that. I don't think he meant it in a serious way. I think he wanted to tell that joke to her. Yeah. I think he's fully like, oh, I'm just a joke about it lately. Like, it's Tyler. Yeah. Yeah. Just another Tyler moment. I'm kind of with you there Jeff where the lines are just I'm getting over it. I don't believe it. He had such a great moment last week. I think with consoling Hannah, but even that as you pointed out in our last podcast was full of lines as well for me for you. I just you know, Oh Tyler knows what he has working for him and he thinks these lines are working. So he's just gonna keep at it. Well, most people loved him. So I'm in the minority, but that's my thoughts on Tyler see, okay Garrett in her at a nice little connection. He said I'm ready to take the next step with you. Is that a new Bachelorette? We've seen that one before but what does it mean we for his we've heard starting to fall. We've heard falling taking the next step with you like well, this is also the guy who just finally admitted last week that he's Rushing on Hannah like he seems like he's taking this extra extra slow. He's finally decided to like accept the rose. He's like, I know a few weeks ago. I'm ready to stay on the phone Garrett. I think is very confident in where he's at if he's taking it that slow to me. I think he I personally think he's gonna fall behind. I know someone in the chat McKenna Flora she kind of referred to him as a dark horse McKenna Frost. I'm sorry called him a dark horse, but I don't see Gary going that far. I just think he falls flat. That it's the only reason I think he's gonna fall flat and he's not a dark horse is because of the way he kisses I saw him going far and then when they zoomed in on how I was like oh, oh no, what did that's a huge mistake in the promo. It's like there's no coming back from this. I've done a terrible thing and it's the way he kisses and that's like a personal attack. I actually do feel bad like but it's bad. Well, you can learn you know, what though? The truth is there's a woman out there who wants to be kissed exactly like that power to her. Before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and family. 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I'm going to stand by that might not be looking good for Garrett, but the producers can also be manipulating us which they do often. That's the thing. They really do they have point if he doesn't stick around QC Garrett has a paradise guy or no Paradise. Yes Bachelor new Yeah, not quite enough Charisma. Anything else is the night the evening part of the group date more Luke p hate now. Let's get to the Le juice. So 40 minutes of this episode was spent on the one-on-one with Hannah and Luke p and more than anything. I just found this exhausting. What did you guys think of this date? I found it. Very real. I will say Han has been drilling that into our brains in this truly was a very real date where it felt as though we were truly sitting there. Watching them talk the entire time. Whereas a lot of the dates feel like they're cut so, you know get to the okay talk about this to say like how you felt. Okay, go whereas this was truly her sitting down and trying to get answers from him. It was hard to watch because I think he's such a manipulative person and I stand by that he said so much without saying anything at all. He took every possible turn to try to manipulate her where she she was. So blatant. I don't think it's that he's a wall up. I think he thinks he's saying the right thing to her and that then you'll be able to stay and I just and I honestly and I hate to say it. I think it's gonna work. I think he's going to stay. I hate him. I understand where he was coming from because we've all been in that position where you know, we like someone we know we should anymore like I wish I didn't like them be so much easier, but we do and it's hard and then watching that on a reality show like this where you've like 25-30 other guys that you could pick but this is the one you feel the biggest. Connection with and watching someone without the best willpower it's hard because I agree to an extent with you. Like I want to have empathy for Hannah, but she also says things off screen where it's like she knows he's being fake and that he's coming off a certain type of way. So it's like I feel like you see right through him and you're just ignoring it and I'm not going to make excuses for her anymore because as the lead, I feel like you given other people such a short leash and loopy has had such a long leash with her and I just feel like five episodes and you just keep In to find different scenarios where he can prove to you that he is not this guy, but that's just who he is and I just feel like you need to face. The music says like no one's in the producers not going to keep popping out the side and telling like they literally told her like you need to ask him that like she just can't it's just frustrating me. No, I totally agree with you, but I don't except for the part where she knows he's all fake. I think as again many of us have done I think where you like think that these are just walls built. It up in that there's good inside of them because you think you saw it. Once you've known him for like four or five weeks calm down, but that's who he is and she's not willing to accept that she's like no. No, I see something in you that I know is there but she doesn't know thier we've all done this but like truly so a person is as only as good as their word and if their word is literally just telling you what they're going to do without doing it by yeah. I also think she you know, she said something at the end of their conversation that kind of bothered me too because she she keeps Back to the fact that she's had the strongest connection with him from the very start and I get that but you cannot keep relying on your first initial impression of this dude to carry him through when he's only shown you that he's not a good guy ever since I think like it has a lot to do with probably their cultural connection. Like I think she recognizes she's a pretty religious person. So is he he found Jesus in the shower? She's on paper. There's a lot of things about Luke that she likes and I think that she envisions as important like benchmarks or check marks for a husband. So that's what I think. She's seeing in him. But like what though? I because I think he's showing she even said like I want a husband that people are drawn to and people are not drawn to you. So like what actually is he checking off besides the fact that he's hotter. It's only their connection. I'm telling you. Okay, I hear you on the she's like going off of her first impression of him. But a big thing about toxic relationships is a lot of the times when things get bad the initial connection was so strong. That's what you keep going back to have a lot of friends who have described this. Me where like you just like. Oh, it's going to get back to it was and I'm going to dig deeper and it's going to be fine. And I stand by the case of toxic person. So this makes sense to me that she's still trying to like find that that place the original that connection but like at some point you need to be like there is its be when someone's having that many red flags five weeks into knowing them like girlfriend come on you cuz what is it going to be later down the line? Are you ready? This is just what you're setting the stage for the relationship. I'm sorry. It's kind of rare that it takes that. A big of a turn against better. Its you people are showing their colors and I think he's shown his many times over. Yeah. Yeah. She just needs to she just needs to recognize it and I think she will soon it's to me what happened with Luke tonight as we saw Howard like narcissistic. He was like, I feel like he was just really unable to empathize with anything Hannah was saying and you know, empathy such an important foundation for a relationship being able to listen being able to respond and React to what the person across from you is saying and he was feeding her a lot of things. She wanted to hear but never really Any of the questions that she wanted and it's I think it's just one of those things where she wanted a real apology. She wanted to be seen and she wanted to be heard and he wasn't giving her any that he just wasn't giving her anything besides canned lines and I think she's starting to see it. She was much more candid about her hesitations with him tonight. Then she has been yet. Yeah, so I don't I don't know. Yeah, but I still think that the reason why what she's seeing through is just being like, oh he's being fake but I've seen the real him. She's playing with that narrative still. He'll like if she does send him home, which I don't think she's going to it'll still be her thinking it's because I never got to know the real him. She will still not think that that was the real him. Yeah, I think that he just has his walls up which is not what it is, but she doesn't see that sometimes those moments when you laugh a little bit about when Bachelor Nation gets real and I love when Hannah goes I just want to see like the real you like, do you prefer mac and cheese or do you prefer spaghetti? There's part of me. That's like if that's like the foundations of real questions you're asking before It let's even go a little deeper than that. Maybe yeah, I think we all agree on Luke P. Finally. It's he just he's not even remotely prepared to be in a relationship. No because if you get into conflict with somebody and they refuse to ever own up to their fallen, like imagine when they have fights later down the line. He's either going to talk in circles are just I just want to say what's going to make you happy and like I just feel like he's he just needs to take more ownership like I would for all of his faults that we've seen thus far. I would give him some sliver of respect for at least acknowledging it on screen like he did on his Instagram post after the fact like I wish you would have shown more of that in the moment. Yeah, but it's I just think it's all fake and calculated. Like I think it took him watching it back to learn that that's not what America or Hannah wanted to hear. And that's actually why he posted the Instagram thing instead of like realizing that he's in the wrong. I still don't think he has I still don't think he's woken up. I don't trust the guy I tried. Something's wrong with them. Yeah, it's off it is. Well, I have a feeling he's probably gonna be sticking around but we'll get more into that later anything else significant from the episode that we feel like we need to discuss. I feel like that's about everything. Yeah. Okay. Let's go ahead. I want to save some time to predictions because we saw a pretty juicy T's tonight, but let's go ahead and quickly do our top three moments from the night. Do we want to do let's do our top three. You know what actually guys we're going to Tweet it out. So if you're Ah me on Twitter. I will tweet on my top three moments and I will even do a short white room segment for that tomorrow. So check out REI TV channel segment tune into that will make sure we get it done. Let's go over our 20 for the right reasons that we do have some tweets pulled up. I'm particularly excited about these tonight. We are pulling up the first one now while it's coming up. I do want to say a moment that stuck out to me that yes, I know recognition and it's just a small funny one. But at one point in his in the moment, Mike Johnson straight up had a do-rag on on national TV, and I gotta say as a black. Woman like that just gave me life to see like you stand in your tooth back. My you better keep those waves on swim. Okay, I love it. He's great TV. I'm excited to see more of my tribe. That was just so authentic. I was like, yes, I'm here and she and this is a genuine reaction. She had that same reaction in the trailer, but I'd like to know good night for my pee. Okay, so we have some tweets pulled up. This is you Christian, right? All right. Yeah, it's a tweet from Annabelle who's tweeted Hannah. I just need you to open up and tell me about who you are. You are as a person Luke P trying to do some intense Pythagorean theorem some sort of math equation on the side and legitimately his face is like that to every single question. It is just it's stuck that way. So he does have a very predictable like Ernest confusion face. It pops up often in the show. Okay. We have a couple more Tweets. We're getting them pull up. Now. They may have it sent another one. The best was his face when she said I don't think I can. Give you this Rose and he looked the most shocked. He has he's like what I will we might have pulled off but I will go ahead and share them. Anyway, because I think I'll make sure to retweet them from Liz at Peyton girl four for four. We have Hannah like passed out in frustration. And the caption is when you just want to know if they like mac mac and cheese are spaghetti more and the second tweet I have so it's a gift of a little boy looking around. And so confused and just kind of happy. I think it's from an old timey commercial and it's from just Lon car at the real JLo Luke P having no idea that the date is going poorly and getting excited about seeing the castle. That was what he was so excited about. She's like a little kid looking around all confused. We've also had this other tweet up for our viewers on YouTube another one that I sent in from Devon low and it's Mike when he has to be alone with loopy because the producers want to create an awkward moment. It's such a derp face honestly from my Johnson. It so relatable considering he totally walked out of the room when they brought Luke State guard like he wants to eat it. He just dipped. He's like, I'm ready if he was pissed. Okay, so if you were listening to our podcasts, these are very visual tweets tonight. So we encourage you to check us out on YouTube to see to see some of those meantime any news this week. It was kind of a slow week for bachelor Nation this week. It was a bit of a slow week for bachelor Nation, but there is a lot of paradise TQ. Scouts and you know, we are a spoiler free podcast but there are some things that are kind of already out there that I think we would be remiss not to talk about a lot of past contestants have been making the rounds on different talk shows kind of hinting with they're not teasing they'd be there. I know Kalin went on Extra TV and spoke with them and very lightly tease that she would be there. So I just want to go through the people who are rumored and that will give us something to talk about new tweet us and tell us if you want to see them there. So Kailyn is one of the rumors Women to be on Paradise as well as Hannah G and taoiseach atoms from last year from Colton season. Wow, Hannah genealogy. Her Instagram is private. Yes. That's also very telling guys. I know we're in a Net Solution Bachelor Nation we can pick up on things Anya is also rumored to be there along with our girl Demi and then guys, we got some people coming back from season 4 of Bachelor in Paradise, Christina Shulman, Yes from Paradise. She's planning to come back. It's rumored that she'll be there and as well as Bibiana from re-season, so interesting. I think it's going to be an interesting mix of kind of the contestants were freshener mine as well as some oh jeez coming back. I've even read on Twitter that Dean is considering coming back. So lots of tea in The Bachelor Nation right now tweet us and let us know what you think about that. Great. Please do guys. Let's go and get into our predictions y'all you're after but This TV predictions. I'm just gonna say I don't think Luke p is going home next week, and I'm so mad about it. And if he does it'll be the end of the episode like she'll keep him a bit longer you'll hang around and then at the very end may be oh, I'm gonna pray the way he didn't that promo. Maybe he'll finally go home instead. Okay, I kind of think about who's left, I think okay. Well just for the look of it all I do think loopy will survive. I think he's going to make it. It at least another episode or two or two because if he survived this which the preview leads us to believe like he's so indeed with Hannah but I do think that next week though. She will continue to trim the fat in terms of like contestants like Grant Devon, maybe Dylan Dustin. I don't know like and it's no shade towards them. I just don't see it. And I think they're going to be gone soon. Yeah, there's not much more time. I do picture like a grant moment like one final like her and I think something's get sent home. I think I know. I don't know. There's not going to be a want. Yeah, I have a soft spot for this guy like Grant you guys I am worried about Garrett and it could be the producers manipulating us. But we had Garrett staring out a window saying he's made a huge mistake and we had vo from what sounded like Garrett. Let us know what you think in the comments elaborating on that mistake. Could he be the one to sex shame our very own Hannah Brown? I I don't think so. This week. I think it's going to be about her keeping loopy around if she does I think he's going to like sit around me. Like are you kidding me? This guy is minute I think is going to come off too strong with his opinions about look p and then it's going to feel really bad about it. I don't think the sex-shaming is yet, but I could be wrong. That's a guy agree. I think Garrett's gonna shame her for keeping Luke P. There's a good prediction before we kind of wrap up. I just want to ask you guys. Like, how are you feeling about this season as a whole considering we're going into episode 6 and Just the things that we're still stuck on in terms of like Luke and I just I just don't know. I'm nervous for the rest of the season the show sometimes does this though where it starts off with in the tone is fun and joining. It's pretty serious. Yeah. I'm still liking Hannah a lot and I think she's a really compelling lead. Like it's very interesting to see someone actively struggle with infatuation. They know is wrong for them in real time, you know, and she's doing an interesting job of vocalizing experience that a lot of us have had which is being with the wrong person, even though you know, I wrong for you. I don't know if I much more patience for it though that so that's kind of where I'm at. I'm hoping the season takes a shift and I don't know if much a bachelor nation is gonna want to keep loopy around. I feel like I had a soft spot for him, which a lot of people are upset with understandably, but even I'm off that train now, so I'm ready for him to go. Yep. Bye looks like speaking of we're getting out of here guys. Thank you so much for tuning in The Bachelor after show here and AfterBuzz TV. This was season 15 episode 5 and we thank you so much for tuning in. We're here every week at five PM guys we go live at 7:00. Sorry, we're here every week on Mondays and we go live at 7 p.m. Pacific. We have a lot of people joining us in the chat which you can do on YouTube on the AfterBuzz TV reality Channel. We would love it. If you did that the mean time that you can keep up with us on Twitter. If you guys wanna connect with me, you can do that at Jeffrey see Graham one word. All right guys, and you can keep up with me on Twitter at Christine being with three. He's and on Instagram at Christine. 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