Welcome back to another episode of the conscious locker room podcast. My name is Talia Connor, and I'm the host and creator of the show and I'm excited to introduce you to the guest that we have on today's episode. Can McDougal is a good friend of mine and he's a high performance coach, but he originally started his career in the finance world. So he was working as a financial executive and while he was running a book of over 300 clients. He became a CrossFit Games Regional athlete.At the same time we actually launched his own online business. So he knows a thing or two about what it takes to achieve optimal results and Optimal Performance in a busy lifestyle so fast forward five years and now cam is living in Bali and is working one-on-one and runs online programs to help busy professionals and entrepreneurs are tree achieve Optimal Health and well-being so that they can go all-in on their missions and what they're here to do. This was a a really inspiring conversation and we covered a lot of ground and I really enjoyed actually spending quite a bit of time talking through cam story because he's got a really inspirational story. He went from being a high school dropout and heavily involved in drugs and crime and then yeah how he shares how he sort of went from that to becoming a cook and passionate about food to then entering the finance game and how his story evolves and what he's achieved is really inspirational in itself and we touched on the And some embracing uncertainty and really committing to a vision before, you know, all the steps that are involved we touched on his his involvement and then and then his initiation with the shortened The Divided movement. So that was a movement put together to raise awareness and money for disadvantaged Youth and Cam and one of his buddies actually rode their mountain bikes from Canada to Mexico as part of their so he touches on that. And what was involved with that and then we get into a bit of the can work that cam does as well. So so working with individuals and his philosophies around health and well-being. We actually spoke about the difference between fitness and health and and we spoke a lot about the intention that you approach your health and vitality with actually impacts things more than what you're doing. And we also touched on the conversation veered towards a relationship as well cams recently engaged. Then he never thought he was gonna going to be engaged to get married. So we sort of spoke about that and spoke about how he maintains the chemistry and the polarity and the vibrancy in his relationship being that both him and his partner are both really busy and running their own businesses. So we touched on a bit of that stuff as well. It was a really inspiring conversation. I loved it. I'm sure you're going to as well. So without further Ado enjoy the podcast. All right, Ken. Welcome to the podcast man. Thank you, brother. Thanks for having me. It's going to be a blast. Yeah, I'm excited too excited to dive in so you've recently just got back home to Barley or do you call it home is barley home for you now? Yes. Yeah it definitely it definitely is our HQ is set up in Ubud and but we do kind of we live roaming quite a bit. So it's hard to call something totally home right now, but for right now He is our home base. Yes. Yeah, not home by so HQ. I like that. So if you guys here dogs barking creatures stirring all kinds of things happening during this that's just the beautiful kind of background noise for you if the Bali landscape that's around me. Yeah part and parcel of dropping it was somebody in Bali exactly and you just had a recent trip to the states. Yeah. How is that? Yeah. It was really good spent a week in outlay did 10 days in Sedona. And then back to LA for a bit and then even before that we spent a couple a couple days in Toronto and Ontario and Canada visiting. My partner's family. Nice. Nice. Nice. Good Adventure. Most definitely man. It was nice to touch down on Western soil a little bit Yeah act with Whole Foods and things like that was pretty good. It's very nice access to that. Yeah, but it is really nice to be back in Bali back in the energy here like it's completely undeniable. How nice And still and yet productive following you. That's what it is. Yeah, it's a good combo. I'll be up there next weekend. So we'll have two major. Mm. Yeah, definitely just for a day. I'm heading up to a retreat with to support and want to Tim Morrison's Retreat. So beautiful being all aboard for a day or so. So I'm Daisy connect up then hundred percent. So me the dates were like that in yeah for sure. So I'd love to kick things off the same way. I'm kicking off all of these chats and that's with the Shin what's a significant challenge that you've overcome in your life could be recent could be long time ago. But what's a significant challenge you've overcome and what did you learn from that? I love that question. I love that question. And and and man I messed up a lot and been challenged a lot in my life. So I think the more challenging what is he picking picking? That's most kind of relevant. You know, I will I will go back to my youth because that's my that's my most significant challenge that I can that I can really speak of and you know without going too deep into it. You know, I was great 10 high school dropout. at the age of 20 years old that was washing dishes and you know in a pretty rough spot and one of the biggest challenges that I faced in that situation was I had to basically overcome my ego to step out of a life of crime and a life of you know, chaos and self-destruction substance abuse and all that stuff to embrace the complete unknown and step in to a life that was going to be a shift in how I kind of acted and how I lived but was one of the biggest unknown scary things I could have ever done because of the life that I was so used to so, you know overcoming that fear of turning my life around and stepping out of that that kind of you know for lack of a better term gangster lifestyle that I was in and going and washing dishes and going back to school. Is it as you know, an adult high school dropout was probably one of the biggest significant challenges of my life. And what it taught me at such a young age was. How important it is to embrace uncertainty and how important it is to no matter how kind of like comfortable. We are in situations that most people might look at and be like, oh my God, that's completely ridiculous. How could how could anyone live in that? No matter how comfortable we can be in that situation if we ever want to change and we ever want to actually, you know, make a big difference in our own lives. We have to embrace uncertainty. That was the biggest lesson that I carry forward and everything that Do now and it almost has now changed from embracing uncertainty to embody and curiosity. Yeah, and so that's looking for those ages exactly exactly. So I would have to say that's probably one of the most kind of Paramount challenges in my life that I have faced and ultimately one of the biggest learnings that I now bring forth in my day-to-day beautiful. Thanks for sharing that men and and let's stay I guess stay with that tune because obviously can today is living in a board recently engaged congrats what the way you know working as a coach helping people. But yeah, let's give everybody insight into the man behind that do. You know what I mean? Like, I know a decent chunk of your journey, but I think would be really cool to hear how you went from high school dropout gangster to washing dishes to then what you're doing now is that there's a big big gap there. So yeah, I guess yeah take us through a little bit of your journey and sort of How things unfolded for you? Yeah, cool. Why you no, I won't I won't go back into kind of the details of the life that I was living before. I had that shift because it's kind of irrelevant. It's there was a whole bunch of bad stuff mmm, but I guess you know from from kind of dropping out of school to embracing kind of that that wild lifestyle when I was younger. I always felt like I was really kind of like not acting in alignment. Who I truly was like I acted really tough. I pretended that I was this like hardcore human being and and I always knew that it was just a mask, which is a facade and that deep down inside. I was so much more. I actually like instead of fighting people wanted to hug him. But because that wasn't like the cool thing to do, I you know, tuck that away in my big toe and I moved forward with the bad stuff and so through that kind of realization one day. I was walking down the street and I just had a huge shift and I still to this day can't Really explain what happened, but I was about 19 20 years old. I can't remember the exact age. I was walking down the street and I just got hit in the forehead with like a lightning bolt. Not literally but you know figuratively and I stopped and I just kind of sat there and I realized that everything that I was doing was completely wrong and that was that my whole life that I created around myself of lies to see all this kind of stuff was just It was just like getting so far gone away from who I truly was. So I got rid of all my stuff. I gave my partner-in-crime everything that I had and I just went to start washing dishes because I wanted to start making an honest living and living a normal life. So in that journey, I found cooking and you know cooking was really really kind of near and dear to my heart now because the chef there was one of the first people that believed in me So he saw something in me. And so throughout the course of working as a chef and as a dishwasher then prep cook and cook and Chef. I worked my way up to managing the restaurant and the company really saw something in me and they invested in me and they then basically paid for me to go back to school. They gave me time off so that I could go to university once I have finished my high school and they supported me through that whole journey and I think they might have been doing that, you know, hoping that I'd probably end up working. Them at some point but that wasn't really explicit. I think it was mostly out of kindness of their heart. But ultimately I ended up in business school and in business school after you know finishing my high school going to business school. I had originally thought I was going to open up a restaurant now going to business school. I fell in love with business and I really kind of was like, oh, I love how businesses work. I love this environment. I want to create something big like restaurants are great. That's a passion for me, but I want to do something big. So rock business school graduated with you know, a degree in Business Administration a diploma in marketing. And from there. I went into the business world and right away. I landed a gig in finance and worked, you know for about four or five years in finance worked all the way up to an assistant vice-president a financial company and start making tons of money started getting on the trajectory to kind of, you know, being and being kind of a CEO being, you know a high level. Thank you to this company and I had it all quote unquote and I just realized that it I didn't really have anything at all. And the funny thing about the finance world is that it actually started bringing up a lot of the Tendencies from my gangster lifestyle back into the finance world. So substance abuse and partying in the cars and all the different things. So it actually started to kind of bring back these feelings that I had dealt with for so long when I was younger and in that evolution Ian, I then realize like this is in the world for me. I'm going to go start my own company. I'm going to get out of this and I found health and fitness and in that process of being in the corporate world and seeing how unhealthy people were and then wanting to dive deeper into myself and I started, you know going to CrossFit became a regional CrossFit athlete and really started to kind of push myself into the health and fitness community and that became my passion. That was like that was my life. I started coaching CrossFit. I started a company that was you They're basically sold athletes meat and from there just like started to develop my entrepreneurial world and eventually Finance Finance kind of ended. I left the finance World Went fully into my company sold my company and went totally deep into a spiritual kind of Journey of one year where I just kind of hit pause on everything and just you know, I grew my hair out long. I started wearing more Mala beads than I probably needed to it's just I just like I totally don't into my spiritual practice really really deep and it was absolutely beautiful. It was so good at taught me so much about myself and where I want to go and throw the course of kind of the end of my finance world to throughout the course of you know, owning my own at company and selling it. I first want to lie enough started coaching a few people and Was very very kind of like loosey-goosey. Right? Like people would come out there. Like hey you own a business you work in finance. You're still super fit. Like tell me how the hell you're doing this like what doing most people work one job and they can't stay fit your you're kind of doing it all so I was like, all right. Well, you know, I'll Teach You How and they're like cool will pay you I was like, oh, okay cool. I guess I'm a coach so so over the course of kind of you know, my my time and Crossed it and and financing and as an entrepreneur I just I started bringing people along and my journey and ultimately what I saw is that I had a really good ability to help people dive into their bodies change their Vitality practice change their lifestyle practice. And then that would Ripple into the rest of their lives. So instead of you know, being like a life coach or somebody that just came in and was like Hey, I can figure out how you can Orient your life and your spiritual practice and then we'll get you going. I was like, no like that's not my thing. I'll tap you into your Your vitality into your health into your being and the more you embody health and vitality and energy the more you're going to free up, you know time from being more productive the more you're going to free up the energy to pursue your goals and we're clear you're going to get on where you want to go. So through that whole Evolution. I ended up becoming a high performance coach that now is my full-time gig that I do and I work with Executives all over the world now and entrepreneurs and people that are pretty mission-driven. Given to make sure that they stay energized and they stay vital so that you know, they don't reach burnout and they can totally Drive their mission home. Yeah. Love it. Beautiful. Thanks, man. What did you any course? That is a mouthful. No. This is its to sink considering how many years that spend and and what it took and like a point that out. I'd love to touch on it and hear a little bit more from you is is how you mentioned you almost repeated a cycle you saw Moved away from the gangster world and then came up went through your apprenticeship that it out of that. I got to the point where you're in finance and then you kind of ended up with the same issues or facing the same circumstances of substance abuse or of that feeling of being disconnected. So I'd love to hear from you and I'm sure or maybe it was that year you took off to focus on your spiritual practice, but this idea of repeating Cycles is is a coolant to talk about because often Things can look different on the outside and be like I've made some changes but then you get to a point and you're like, wow, I feel the same inside. I haven't actually made any changes. And so yeah, I'd love to hear your take on that and then and what sort of really started to shift things. So you started to feel different internally not just what was not just how it looked externally. Whoo. Yeah, that's it. That's an interesting one and one that I've also thought a lot about so I'm really really happy that you're asking about it and I feel like A lot of times like our mind has this idea of where we're supposed to go right the mind the mind, you know, it's easy success. It sees you no money. It's he's abundance and sees all these things it sees status and it pursues them because you know, it really is going to you know, heighten our position in society or whatever that might be. So when I was at when I was a you know, living kind of the more the more the more, you know, Street level life it was, you know, people are going to fear me because I'm going to be X. And then I would just pursue acts as much as I could because people feared me girls like me and and the attention was on me because it was like, oh my God, there's this guy can he's you know, 18 years old. He's all tattooed up and he's all kinds of trouble and I'd be like, oh my God cool. That's me. Right I had this I had this tension on but that attention in that ego just like drew me totally away from from who I truly am as a person and I think we can only do that for so long, you know until until we have something Explode and for me, you know, it got it got really bad in that world where it exploded it got to the point where you know, we had two apartments down in the worst part of town and we were doing all kinds of crazy stuff that you know at the age of 18 if I got locked up, I we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Let alone let alone all the other possible outcomes of what we were doing based on you know, the people that we are around so it got to that point where it's like, oh, I just gotta shake up. I got a rattlin and that to me was kind of like A pivotal shift now, I went to you know, I started I started cooking. I started doing all these things to like, you know, Focus my energy and stuff like that. But what really was going on was that like I still hadn't processed it. I still hadn't totally like like move through it. Yes. I made the changes. Yes. I made the moves mostly out of out of fear and anxiety and you know, you know, not really knowing any other option, but then I had a conduit for it. So I went back into cooking. I went back into school and I I have always had something to like run to that would help me escape from my past and I think that because of that fact because I didn't spend the time to actually do the Deep work on it because I was still so young. It was still sitting inside and write that desire to be kind of you know that baller or that desire to be like, you know wanted by all the girls or that desire to, you know, be looked up to by people, you know that was still inside of me, but I was just like masking it. It with like accomplishments at school and all that kind of stuff. So when I got into the finance world and you know, I got handed a whack ton of money. You're out of business school and I'm making more money than my parents my first year out of business school, you know for me it was kind of like well, I'm the shit, you know what I mean? And so the moment that the moment that that came out all the other stuff came with it, it started fueling the eagle again, right? It was like, okay cool. Like I just Got you know a Ferrari dropped off on my desk, you know, basically for the weekend and I get to go drive this thing around and go like show off to my friends and then it's like, you know this stuff back and forth of just like constantly pumping this this this Persona cause it to come back out and it came back out in full force in the finance world when you are, you know, quote unquote successful and you feel the worst you've ever felt in your whole life, you know, something's wrong. You know and and so for me it was a slap in the face. I went on one trip where I just totally you know, I I've used myself with with substances and all kinds of stuff to the point where I was disgusted at what I had done especially because I kind of started my fitness journey. So it got to that point where I was like I hit that bottom again, but this time there was no hiding from it this time there wasn't like, oh I'm getting out of the game or oh I'm going to business school. Now. This was like no this is mine. Rear, this is my life. There's nowhere to hide now. You got to take a look at this and that led to probably the most painful six months of my life to be completely honest where I went to Alcoholics Anonymous, you know, I my business started going down. So I stopped hanging with bars. I stopped going out with you know, the boys club all this kind of stuff started happening and and at that point in time, I just like, you know, I just felt like I was completely lost. I was like who Am am I and my partner at the time left me because she caught me doing cocaine and I was lying to her and there was this whole situation where I just felt like my whole story of who I was and become a lie. And so at that point there was no there's no hiding from it. There was no hiding from it. And so I dove into about six months of crying on the couch depression business failing and just like basically diving into the deepest darkest parts of myself, and that Journey, you know came with the realizations, you know with amazing support from some amazing people came with the realizations that I was just reek. Creating that same situation in the finance world, so I had to leave it and I had to go into myself and really kind of look at why I was doing what I was doing. And and the what it came down to is that I was just completely insecure. Yeah, right completely insecure in any opportunity. I had to go and Chase something that would make me look better. I would go after it and then every time I did that it just allowed for me to ignore what was truly going on inside until finally, you know, the universe Spirit God where we want to call. It. Just gave me a little slap around. It was like no like this is it you got to start doing the work and you know Fitness and vitality and meditation of stuff for my out. Yeah. Yeah. And did you have guidance through that? Like you said you had some good support that six-month period yeah what talk to me about Your your transition out of that and then the role of Fitness the role of like we are what helped you out of of that that time. Yeah great great question and one of them the first one was my sponsor in Alcoholics Anonymous like I didn't end up staying there very long because you know, honestly, it'd help me shift my life but long-term I didn't identify with the program. I didn't really resonate with it because I felt like it really kind of kept us in this state of Saying we're addicts. We're really like I wanted to move on from that. So for me, it was kind of like I'm not I'm not going to stay in this world so it but I met a guy in that that that totally showed me how to tap into myself and he showed me how like, I was creating all these stories and we'd be sitting on a bench and I'd say something and he just call me on my shit and then I'd be like, you can't say that to me and then he'd be like why not like why why can't I say that to you and then I just feel like I guess I don't know. You know, I'm told people aren't allowed to say that you're supposed to just like let me live in my bubble and let me do my thing. You know what I mean? And though he really showed me and he kind of prep me for for the world of personal development and asking for people to kind of rip me apart, you know, and that's and so he kind of really really started me on that path and beyond that. I had some awesome awesome mentors around me that you know, one of my good friend Simon low, he's a he's a leadership and business coach in Vancouver, but we met in the CrossFit community and he was a very very huge support helping me through those times and he kind of took a lot of the role of that of that dude after I left a and and he was in the same boat. He would just really kind of listened but also show me what I wasn't seeing along with with both of our good friend, you know, Kurt drop ya know. He was he was another big part of that in the three months that him and I had crossover in Vancouver. So, you know, I had I had Three very powerful men in my life that really kind of were there to support but not coddle, you know, they were there but they gave it to me when I needed it and they supported me when I needed it which was which was ultimately I think the game changer because had I been alone, you know in that sense. It would not it would not have been not even pretty hmm that that mentorship and that that support and challenge that equal parts support and challenge is pivotal, isn't it? It's Once once you taste it, it's kind of like the discomfort. Once you taste it you like. Well, I'm gonna go seek that out. So like that. I'm sure now you've got a circle around you of at least a few guys still that that provide that for you always always. Yeah. Yeah. It's such an essential component to growth. You know, I'm Will Smith said it so beautifully. He said if I think back over the last, you know, 25 years in my career. He's like he's like if I look to my left and my right I know they're real. Two people around me that supported and believed in me. He's like had they not been there. I would not have accomplished what I have and to me that's so powerful because we all look at Will Smith, like he's so spiritually so tapped in he's so successful. He's so funny. He's got it all going on, you know, like obviously this guy would be famous. But like, you know, he says like not comes down to the people that that support us and lift us up through this journey. Hmm. Yeah and the importance of that mentorship or or coaching. It's funny because so Oh, it's so instilled and I'm not sure what it's like in Canadian culture. I'm sure it's similar but the idea of the Lone Wolf like there's a lot of resistance to asking for help as a man. I find these days there's big resistance. It's like I can I can do it myself. I can get the job done myself and that that asking for help is weakness when in reality we often require and even if we don't require it, we're going to do better with it. So yeah, that's a powerful powerful message another I want to dive into and you didn't didn't bring it up in that Journey. But I know it's sort of came through towards the back end and it was happening. Just when we met was the adventure you had with shorten the Divide which is just yeah phenomenal. Like I literally just watch the promo video for it again this morning and got Goose Bumps. So yeah everything about it like the cause the lead up to it what you went through it like I'd love for you to because I know yet you mentioned the feature-length documentaries coming out in September. So yeah, I'd love for you to share a little bit about how that all came about. Yeah and your lead up to him what you learnt through the process totally totally. I love to love to talk about that shorten. The Divide was a special one. And in that year that I took kind of all that time my spiritual kind of, you know, I guess I guess re-centering of my life. I took This project with my friend Jeff Livingston. And in the in the course of me kind of starting to coach and train people, you know, my fitness was a was was everything that I taught people, right? And and so a lot of people reached out to me for health and vitality and my friend Jeff was one of them and over the course of you know, a couple years him and I would work together he kind of go back to his thing we work together and he got really kind of into these Ebbs and flows, right which so many of us I think fall Victim to which is we go really hard we get on a nutrition program a fitness program and then we drop and then we feel shitty about ourselves and then we get back on one and we feel great and then we drop and not just continues in this this yo-yo effect. And Jeff was sick and tired of it and he got to the point where he's like dude every time I start working with you like it's great. We do amazing things and he's like and then life takes over and I got this and that and he's like and then I fall off and I'm sick of it and I remember we were sitting in my kitchen at my house in Norfolk. Read the time and I said to him I said well don't even think about any of that other stuff. What do you love doing more in life than anything anything at all? And he sat there for a moment kind of thought about it and he's like it's mountain biking. He's like, there's nothing else in my life that I like doing more than riding my mountain bike. And I said, I guess got goosebumps myself. It's gonna be responds to synchronize that you said mountain biking and so I looked at him and I said, all right, Jeffrey, I want you to pick something that you've always wanted to do on your mountain bike and I want you to commit to it and I was like just off the top of your head. I was like tell me what what comes to mind and he's like he's kind of sat there for a few moments and he looked at me and he said there's this ride from Banff. Berta to the American Border that would take about three days and he's like he's like it's on this amazing journey says that would be like that would be one of my favorite things to do in the world and I was like awesome man. That sounds Super Rad. I was like, what's the name of the trail? And he was like, oh it's called The Great Divide and I was like The Great Divide I was like Okay, I'm like bamf to the US border. I'm like us three four days. I'm like, that's that's long. But I was like that doesn't sound like a Great Divide. I was like give me more details and he was like and I can tell you looked at me and he was like, oh shit. He's like, I think I know where this is going and he tells me he's like, oh, it's actually the world's longest mountain bike trail from Banff Alberta all the way to Mexico. I want to ride the Canadian section and I was like, how long is his Trail and he's like Thousand three hundred fifty kilometers and I was like, okay and he's like, yeah and you climb Everest about seven times in elevation and I was like, I was like, okay. I was like you're going to do that and I'm going to come with you and he looked at me for a moment. Obviously. He's like, you're kidding me right like this just he's like I own my business you own your business like, you know, this just isn't going to happen and I was I was a hundred percent serious. I was just like I've never and just Just to be just to be frank. I've been on a mountain bike three times in my life. I never even really mountain bike you guys. I'm just kind of like but I knew that this guy needed that I knew that he needed that in his life. And as one of my one of my best friends, I could feel it inside of him that he needed an adventure of a lifetime and I said because he owns a video production company. I said Jeffrey go home. Get your video get your video equipment come back to the house. We're going to film a video. We're going to announce it on Facebook, and we're going to do it next year. And he kind of was stunned and he was like dude, I can't do this. Like I have a wife. I have a dog. I've got a business to run like this thing takes months to ride and I was like, okay, we'll make a goal that makes it ridiculously hard and he was like, okay, what's that? I was healed my callings and take people's like sometimes three months. I was like, all right. I was doing 45 days and he was just like he was like, I don't even know where to begin with this. So he goes home calls me later on that night and he's like I'm in. And he just kind of when he said that I knew that it was it was happening and I was like amazing came over the next day brought his video equipment. We filmed a video about what we were going to do. We use public accountability told everybody in our networks that we were going to do this thing and then we just started and in training and and kind of starting to film content and generate some Buzz around it. We linked up with Mountain Equipment Co-op and they sponsored a ride. We linked up with GoPro. They sponsored the ride and we ultimately linked up with this. Awesome foundation called take a hike and take a hike is it is a foundation that helps at-risk youth get out into nature and teaches them Adventure based learning. So when they learn, you know geology, they're actually looking at the Rocks, you know, they're actually in it studying the rocks and the striations and I'm going to stop there because I'm not gonna use any more geological terms here. They stopped there and they kind of like that's how they learn right with their hands on in the dirt. Being really in it on these massive beautiful trips. So they're trying to change the way that kids go to school. So me being a high school dropout and you know coming from you know, being your poster child for at-risk youth. I was like, let's raise money for these guys talk about youth mental health talk about at-risk Youth and talk about how important it is for us to get into nature to truly expand ourselves and what better way to do it than to live in nature for the next 45 days straight on their mountain bikes. We got into it and we train for it and we didn't stop and just over the course of about seven eight months. We just we got bikes we got sponsored with all our gear we got, you know ready for this thing and a week before we were about to leave. We had a friend that called and she's like, hey, I just quit my job. I'm going to drive your support vehicle and we were just like no way because we're thinking we have to carry everything like there's gonna be insane and she was like she was like, I'll be your support vehicle. So huge. Shout out to Jess fun. She came in in the clutch. It was just like he went he went as deep into it as we did because you can think about driving alone by yourself or you know, what ended up taking us 38 days is pretty pretty ridiculous. So, you know all the training and everything aside we kick things off. Actually we left. I think we left today. No way. I think we left today last year or yesterday. That's crazy. Actually, really really really cool. So one year today we left and we got on our bikes and we entered the trailhead in Banff right next to the Chateau Banff and it was it was the wildest Journey on My Life by far, you know, and you know, there's just there's so many things that I can talk about about that Journey but you know, the biggest one was showing like the power of the power of teamwork and the power of like resilience, you know, and it's hard to picture for people that haven't done like a, you know, a consistent endurance race, but To get up and get on your bike and ride, you know a grand Fondo or to ride a 120 to 200 kilometers a day on a mountain bike. Like it's you know, it sounds hard. But it just to me that kind of it. It's almost I can't even really explain it. You have to get into a zone that I don't think humans are really supposed to get into that often in their lives to make it happen. But we did it in 38 days. So seven days short of our goal. All which is you know for us it's amazing. We're super pumped, you know, and it you know day 3 just me went on them and like I can't do this. I'm crying. He's crying in the middle of the road and and he stuck through it. He got on his bike. He drafted me. He drafted me for like four days and we just like we just worked as a team. We worked as a unit Jeff fed us we did physio when we weren't passed out on the floor like did everything he could to support one another through that Journey. And you know and then and then it switched my achilles went on like Dede kind of what 2829 my achilles was shot at tendonitis throughout my whole kind of posterior chain. I was in rough shape and Jeff drafted for me and he stuck back and help me while my whole ankle was taped up and so it couldn't Flex so it just showed this like really powerful kind of team Dynamic that like I think is innate within humans that we don't really tap into very And it's like that survival Community like, you know, Brotherhood and Sisterhood, you know, shut up to Jeff that they're just to just like come in and be unit to get through some pretty crazy times. Hmm phenomenal man. It's such an incredible accomplishment. I can't wait to see the video and and one thing that you the biggest thing I took from that was the fact that you guys committed first and then figured it out along the way I know. No in my life and a lot of people that I work with its one all the pieces of the puzzle to be there before we hit go and and it's just never how it how it happens. And this is a phenomenal example of commit and then this shows up then this sponsors shows up a week how you've got a support vehicle. And if I remember correctly a whole heap of donations came in right towards the end as well. Like that wasn't even really looking like it was going to land until a week or two out as well. So it's yeah just a really powerful lesson in that commits First Take Action and then step three and four will come after you take step one and two kind of thing. Yeah. I love that man. I absolutely do and it brings it all the way back to the thing. You asked me at the beginning about what was my what was my biggest challenge and lesson and embracing that in certainty is everything right? Like we get we get stuck in complacent far too often and that just keeps us where we are. But like we are supported spiritually by the universe God angels, whatever you want to call them. We are supported but but we have to act and we have to commit and it's not going to come on a silver platter. You know, I think that's a really important one for us all to remember is like sometimes you're going to fall on your face, but that's okay. You know, like when I committed to this ride ain't even have a mountain bike. I am a mountain bike. I didn't no idea what I was going to go through like I didn't have bike shoes anything. Yeah, and it came to fruition. Mission we went to Mexico ask them for a tiny sponsorship and the CEO is like will outfit you with everything and I was like what I was like, what do you know man? Like I was just want to gift card, you know, but but we were supported because of what we were doing. Yeah, and and the power of the vision to I bet as well. Like there's something powerful about a vision that comes from the heart that can touch somebody else's heart and when you're doing it. Something it's not like you were doing it to grow your insta following, you know, you were doing it out of out of service, you know initially was that idea with Jeff and then it grew into this thing and I'm sure that idea of being able to have a vision and share of vision contributed a lot to people coming on board as well. Yeah, most definitely most definitely and I'll you know, I think that's so so cool that you bring that up because the contribution peace in life is something that I think so many of us forget, you know, and it's like with Instagram with all these things. It's like it's really really easy to get caught in the ego game, but it's kind of like what are we using our platforms? What are we using our skill set? What are we using all these things for to bring contribution into the mix and I think you know, there is an element that we have to help ourselves. Enough first before we can actually start to contribute, but once we feel stable enough in our own in our own kind of being that next Evolution to kind of help others is so important and that's one of the big one of the main kind of things that I bring into my coaching and my fitness is is you know, you know turning your body into a vehicle for change because there's so much energy that gets put into our fitness. There's so much energy that gets put into this. It's like, how can we leverage that to Help other people right? Because money, you know efforts all these different things are just forms of energy. So if we're putting energy into our bodies are putting energy into our fitness, where can we then shift that energy to ultimately help other people and that's why I love people raising money for marathons. And I love people that are like, I'm going to go run this crazy Long Trail and raise $1000 for a cause I care about that stuff is so damn powerful because you're turning your Fitness and your body into a vehicle for change in this world. World that is like such a key component that I know for me has kept me, you know on the path to keeping my body in such good shape because I know that the next thing I do is going to be able to help people. Mmm. I love it. And I love that the consistency in your message with that is one of the biggest reasons. I love following you because it's something that I I live by as well, but it's always just to get that reminder like your body is the vessel for whatever you're doing. You want to be a good. A cool your body as a vessel for that you want to show up powerfully in your relationship cool. Your body is the vessel for that and it's just that constant reminder because we're so with technology with the fast-paced life styles that work that we're living. It's very easy to be disconnected from our body and forget that and to prioritize time energy effort money. In other areas of life yet. It's it's square one that so many people try to skip and and when you actually feel it and you feel the experience of it, it's hard to deny, but I'd love to hear ya a little bit about where you start where you start with your clients because you're definitely not the conventional quote-unquote health coach, you know, it's there's the health coaches are being pumped out very quickly with a lot of these online courses and that sort of thing and what I love about you is you've lived it for Years, and so I'd love to hear with your holistic approach. I guess what are some common problems that you're seeing in these sort of high-level business people and entrepreneurs and that's why I think I'll just any of your clients and where do you really start with people as some some fundamentals for them beautiful question when I think about where people have the biggest challenges and kind of how my Approach differs. hers is You see the challenge and I'm going to chirp the fitness Community a bit here. So, you know my whole network in that world. I apologize if you're listening to this, but the challenge that comes out of like health and fitness is that they're just more Band-Aids, you know what I mean? And like they're just kind of like getting bigger biceps getting a six-pack getting a you know, more pop and booty like yeah, they might make you look better and they might, you know be a thing that you see is Valuable but they're just a Band-Aid and generally when we want bigger biceps, it's because we think our arms are small when we want better ABS. We believe it's because we're too fat when we want a bigger, but it's because we believe we're too small. And what that subconsciously reinforces into ourselves is that we're not we're currently not enough and we're currently not good. So we sit in the spiral of subconscious activity where we're just kind of like sitting there admitting to ourselves constantly that were not where we want to be. And so what that starts doing is on a cellular level. Our thoughts are the programs for cells. They can't see our Visions our perceptions and our thoughts become. Come our cellular programming. So if we constantly are fostering this belief that that person has bigger biceps that person's fitter. I need to get in better shape. I feel like shit like all of that is going to the cellular program in a bar system. And where I realized is most is that when I was when I was in my fitness journey, I was CrossFit coach for about five years and I'd say about 90% of the people that were there did not see very good results because they were always chasing something better. Whereas the people that were there that were just like I just love training and I love building my body. They were off like a rocket ship. And you know, I saw people for four years come and spending, you know thousands of dollars a year on their Fitness and they got no results and they were training everyday. So it wasn't a matter of like they're like dedication to the cause but their dedication was fueled by insecurity. It was it was fueled by a sense of lack. So what I do when I get when I start working with people is I dive into their mind and I have clients now that that, you know are losing their minds with me because they we've been working together for about seven months and I haven't even gone to a gym you can't and they're like I want to work out. This is what I'm like no, I'm like the reason that you know, you freaking out and doing all this stuff is simply because you're not making peace with your current vessel and the moment they start making peace with their current vessel, then we start training and I have a client who has been working with me for, you know, probably about a year and a half now and he just recently started getting deep into his Fitness practice. And he's hitting it so hard and it's from a place of like I want to build this. Hmm. I want to own this and now he's in a state where he's just so empowered in his body. Whereas he used to not even go to take his shirt off at the beach. Yeah, right. So it's really all about starting in here. And if people if people come to me and they're like, I want to fitness program, I'm like go on the internet. There's a million. I'm not I'm not here to I'm not here to give you a fitness program, you know, like that's the easy part right? You're not willing to go deep into understanding where your insecurities are and why you ultimately want to pursue this from a place other than self love then I don't work with people. Amazing and have that posture would be quite jarring for some people. I imagine you've got to get a mixed response. But it kind of goes back to what you were talking about before and you brought up about we were talking about repeating those Cycles. Mmm exactly is kind of that similar thing. It's a health and fitness can be an addiction and it can be just repeating a cycle of of not good enough unless that story is checked at the door. I mean, it's a probably a healthier addiction than drugs. I'm late, but it's still can serve as that so it's so cool to hear that. That's where you start day one like no excuses kind of thing. It's like if we're going to do this, this is how we're going to do it. Yeah 100% And you know, it's funny because that you mentioned the fact that it's you know that it's healthier than booze and stuff which is which is very true my experience with that was so different like I got I got so big I got constantly. Nerd and I was in a state where like I was a fit Couch Potato, you know, like I was like, I was jacked like it clean and jerk, you know, 315 pounds is that like a hundred and hundred and fifty kilos? Like I was I was a machine but I was just like a shell of a human mmm because everything was going into like I got to be this I got to be that because I'm actually scared of who I am inside, you know, it can result in blown Achilles. Results in tendonitis bursitis, you know Rhabdomyolysis like meiosis. I think I said it wrong, but all these different things that ultimately can can really kind of hinder your state and really kind of like hurt your body. So yeah, I totally agree with you. It is a healthier outlet but a lot of times when people go like really deep into that they can they can really do some damage for yeah the show on that night. I'd love to hear your distinction between fitness and health or vitality. Because a lot of the time you can be shredded, even if you're not huge but like look really good but not actually be very healthy. Like I'd love to hear your take on the difference between the two. Yeah, definitely. So Fitness in my mind is Like I would say a human's ability to sustain constant stress. It's kind of how I would see Fitness. So, you know, somebody can run for a very long time. Somebody can lift a lot of weight. Sequentially. Somebody can endure, you know a cold bath for a certain amount of time like that that to me is Fitness. Now as a crossfitter, I was an amazing kind of linear athlete. But you get me on a hike you get me, you know doing doing speed drills on a speed ladder. Like I was I was out I was so out, you know, it was it was it was just it was ridiculous. It was sad actually and so to me that I was I was fit but I was fit in one modality and that was CrossFit just like a lot of power lifters are fit in powerlifting. A lot of Runners are fit in running that to me is how I Defined Fitness. The way I Define vitality is first having a true self love practice that really truly 100% comes from your greatest being. The second is to Foster like an abundance of energy inside of you so that you are able to accomplish whatever it is that you truly want to do. The third would be that you have the strength in your body to do these things to act to move. And ultimately you have the ability to move right? You have the ability to move right and you can be agile and you can dance and you can kind of go through lights, right? So when I when I look at you know, self-love energy strength and movement those to me are extremely important and the reason I start with self-love is because I believe that like nutrition hydration sleep all those things fall under that category and when you truly do love yourself you're willing to wake up you're willing to meditate you're willing to stretch. You're going to sit there. You're going to thank your body to be in the vehicle that it is. You're going to eat the right Foods because you only want to fuel it with stuff that's going to make it feel good. You're going to avoid, you know drinking you're going to avoid, you know doing things that don't serve your Body at its highest good and ultimately you're going to end your days in a state where you want to nurture yourself and you want to love yourself and you want to bring your system down. You want to turn your lights off. You want to turn some candles on you want to put your blue blockers on you want to get into a state that allows for your system to chill and bring it down and in fostering those powerful routines and in fostering those powerful states every single day then, you know, you're going to make sure that you have the amount of energy that you Need you're going to make sure that you're getting strong and you're going to make sure that you can move through life. And so Vitality in my mind encompasses that whole world as opposed to just becoming a modality or one linear kind of path. Yeah, beautiful. I love that distinction and especially the putting it the ability to handle sustained stress and to me from what you shared about Vitality its Vitality is almost Most aligning your lifestyle. So you experience less stress and fitness is your ability to almost handle that stress because otherwise you'll just never be enough if you're only going for Fitness, but you're not looking at where the stress is coming in from work or out of alignment relationships or all those kinds of things. So and it's just so cool to hear big strong and I saw you doing some I think that what they clean and jerks did I see on your stories? Yes now is is it was a queen complex? Yeah when clean complex ones. Like 180 kilos you can tell it up guy in the first thing he talks about when it comes to Vitality is self-love. That's like it's so cool to have that because it's so it's so necessary and I think there's so much even those two words for a lot of guys to put into one sentence. Is there still a lot of taboo around and maybe not so much in our our communities and who we spend a lot of our time with but for the broader spectrum and I'm sure a lot of guys listening would have some resistance to even that concept. T' do you have you met with much resistance when you're coaching guys through this or a most people pretty open with respect to the guys that I work with? I think I think that because there's been so much word of mouth in the development of my business. Most people kind of come to me and they know what they're getting into. I think right now like I'm about to launch a course right now as I get into the world of outside of my network. I think a lot of people are going to are going to be challenged with it, but Thing for me is that I you know, I'm selective with how I say it, you know what I mean? And in that process a lot of people, you know, they don't want me talking about angels and guides and stuff because that's going to stare the scare the shit out of them. Right? So what we can do is we can we can we can dive in and we can talk, you know about routines, you know, and and instead of being like, you know, Namaste here's a self-love practice for you. It's like no I want you to dial in your routine. Hmm. Because in that routine, he was a meditation that I want you to listen to me in that routine. It really helps your melatonin release if you like candles at night, here's what you should do for this next little bit. Right? So I find that for me. It's been a lot in the delivery and just remembering especially for me like where I was at the beginning of my journey and how you know me how I would have kind of reacted to somebody like myself teaching me what I know now and I would probably want to be brought into it a little a little soft. But I will say that it's funny because a lot of the stuff I've been posting lately a lot of people from my old Network have been leaving leaving my world and I think that it's because I'm bringing something up inside of them that they don't want to look at and especially because the whole network that I built in the past was in the bike very kind of strict Fitness World. I think there's some there's some things kind of stirring up there. So it's been interesting to watch that. At and so I do agree. I think in the next little bit it's going to be interesting to see how men in particular react to me saying. Hey, if you're not getting results in the gym, it's because you don't love yourself is gonna be an interesting one to navigate, but I'm excited to kind of go there with them for shit. That's where the magic happens. Yeah. I love it. I love it beautiful man. And another thing I wanted to touch on and I guess change directions a little bit. Is the post that you shared recently when you announced your engagement it was it really something in that really caught my other than just being super excited and fist pumping the air because I was so pumped for you guys you mentioned in that you never thought this would be something that you would do and then you had a lot of shifts around how you looked at relationship how you looked at the idea of marriage and and all of that stuff and it's been cool to watch you and Victoria even just over. On Instagram and some little chats with you here and there to see you guys come together. I imagine there's been some extremely significant shifts in the way you view relationship show up in relationship. So yeah, I'd love to just hear your take on how that's evolved for you up to the point of view. Obviously now being being engaged. Yeah, beautiful beautiful, you know, I'll talk about health and fitness all day long, but the relationship and marriage question comes up and I'm about to join that's how I know. We're going somewhere good. Let's say here are yeah the hot seat exactly, you know and all honesty. I'm really pumped that you brought that up because you know, I was I was a kid at divorce and my first memory on this planet my first memory like here on Earth embodied in this vessel was my parents telling me they were going to separate you know, and and that's my first memory and it's like from that memory to me crying and just like totally not knowing what's going on set the foundation of a lot of my years of like unrest and uncertainty and Chaos. Hmm. So for me marriage has been like, you know, like, you know, get get out of here like yeah, you're just you're just a mess and over the course of kind of a lot of relationships it became very evident that like it wasn't about me finding the right person as much as it was about me doing my own inner work and attracting the right person and you know, so when I think about kind of the evolution is that like I always had this perception that I was like I have to see the woman that I'm going to marry and then I got to become the best man for her and then everything's going to be fantastic that was kind of like the perception that I had and then I was like and there's a 50% divorce rate I was I was like no shit. Like that's because people see that they try and become that they realize they can't be that they're like, oh my god what have I done and they got to go. Oh shit. We have two kids. Sorry guys, you know what? I mean? And so so that's kind of become like this norm. And so I observe that and I was like, okay like I just disconnected from Marriage completely and I tuned in totally to my heart and I tuned in totally to the person that I wanted to become in the man that I wanted to become so that I knew I would be the right person for whoever found me if they did find me, you know, and and it was really interesting because you know as I stepped into that I totally stopped the pursuit there was no Pursuit. There was the only Pursuit was me improving myself. And the more I improve myself the more I looked at why I wanted to go and sleep with an attractive woman that couldn't have a conversation or the more I looked at. You know why I wanted to look a certain way. So I could attract a certain person or the more I looked at why I wanted to have an attractive person so that other people could look at me a certain way all started showing me all these different insecurities and different, you know skeletons in my closet and through meditation and you know some some conscious relationships that ended up consciously uncoupling I really started learning, you know, the person that I wanted to be and I did that and you know our mutual friend Tracie Spencer, you know introduced me to Victoria as I was moving to Bali and I moved in with her the next day because they're because there was no there was no question. It was like she's being her I'm being me and we have perfect Synergy know and to me that was really powerful and so like and when I say we moved in the next day like we actually did like I went up to visit her. I was living in changu at the time. I went up to meet her Ubud and I went up to Wood and I haven't left. So I went and stayed with her for a couple weeks went down for a day went back up and we just rented this beautiful house that we live in now and there was none of this like compromise. Hmm. It was insane because like I have OCD she has OCD, you know, it was like because we attracted each other because we're putting that energy out. I have a morning spiritual practice. She hasn't morning spiritual practice. He doesn't like cell phones at night. I don't like cell phones at night. She likes Adventure. I like Adventure, right? It just it just there was no question. It was just a perfect kind of, you know marriage of two souls and you know the within a week of meeting her I was like, I'm gonna marry this one and this one is going to be my wife. You know and and I will say that, you know watching, you know people like you watching people like like Luke and Trace, you know, and and and really seeing like, you know, how you and Kat interact and how you guys do. Your thing was really inspirational for me and my journey as well because you know knowing that you guys are like awesome dudes, but you're also very heart centered and seeing that you could actually create something with somebody was really really inspirational to me. And so the more I started surrounding myself with people that were breaking the mold and doing things more unconventionally and entering kind of, you know, sacred Union or Partnerships are getting married. However, you want to look at it. They gave me this kind of confidence of like men this there's there's not like, you know, it's not etched in stone how this is going to go. We have we have our full ability to create whatever we want with this. Mmm and seeing that combined with the inner work that I was doing combined with the combination of us living together and actually building each other up. Two levels, we never thought possible before. Mmm. It was it was an easy no-brainer. Mmm. Incredible incredible. There's so much in that so much like the obviously doing your work on on yourself without having attachment so that combination of intention but being unattached I find is so powerful and is is the is because mean cat get asked this question a lot through all the work we do with living in love. People coming to us about attracting the one or calling in the one then that what you spoke to you kind of just like sort of Breeze through it. But like that was such a powerful that and that is such a powerful thing when calling in relationship or calling in anything to have an intention but to come from your Center but to not be attached to the outcome and that's often in my experience when all the gold shows up. It's just like oh, well, there you go how help how perfectly this work. Yeah, it's incredible. I'd love to hear any challenges that have popped up for you guys or how you navigate how you navigate that as two people that are living together and not working together. But both you could say working from from home or working from HQ. Yeah, what are some strategies either conscious or just the way things have landed that you guys employed to keep the polarity and the dynamic strong and the love strong and all of that because I find that's a struggle for and inserting them in car always working to improve because when you're spending so much time around each other which you know in theory is the dream sometimes that can actually work against the flow of the relationships. I'd love for you to speak to that to people on a mission doing their thing how you make the relationship thrive. You know that there's that, you know, I think we're always learning and always growing and figuring that one out as you articulated. So beautifully 1 1. Well, I guess there's there's two things for us that have really been powerful actually three and the first would be kind of like really knowing that we're in our own Lanes, but we're creating something together. So we each have our own missions, but then in the middle we have this unit that we're creating and you know really being clear on that being your mission this being my mission, but this Collective is our mission has been really really really important for both of us and and it's you know, it's just it's just work really well because she supports me I support her. And we just we really communicate about what's going on. Right and and you know, don't get me wrong. We have our hiccups like today. I walked in the door and I jumped on a call that with one of my my marketer and I'm just I'm talking to him super Lounge came out just like I was just doing a visualization and everybody can hear you, you know, and I'm like oh shit, right so it still comes up but the thing that we do and I bring that story up for a reason because right away, we always put it in front. So it's something comes up that we don't I agree with there's no dwelling. There's no this the moment you realize it was a thing that gets thrown on the table and it's like hey, this was a thing. How are we going to fix it for next time and then and then that leads into the third piece which ultimately is that we separate everything from ourselves. We do not identify with any of the things. So we pull that thing out we take it out from us and we throw it in the middle of the table and we both dissect it together. Mmm, and it's not like hey you did this thing. That did this to me therefore you're worse than me and I'm in a victim position, you know, it's not it's not like that. It's like this things causing some sort of energetic disconnect. Let's figure out how to work through it because we both know we want to be energetically connected. Hmm. And and to me that's been one of the most powerful things and and you know, we've worked through stuff, you know in the bedroom, we've worked through stuff with respect to scheduling we work through stuff with respect to travel like all these things come up, but it's like that's right there. Mmm, and there's never any boundaries. There's ever any limits. There's never any right or wrong time. If that thing comes to your Forefront of your mind and you're feeling it it gets on the table and we discuss it because our relationship and our sacred Union is priority over everything. Amazing amazing. That's I love all of that. I couldn't level of that more ice. It's like just three little pointers, but honestly anybody listening like that Implement those and like you say you can work through anything in any area of life. I would love to hear if you other than the rule of as soon as it's there we take it out put it on the table and the biggest thing I feel is not taking it personally. I find that's probably what why it works so well for you. Having the ability to do that. Do you have some sort of system for communicating or working through things once it's out on the table, but do you have a do you have a system for that or is it just put it on the table? And then let's just talk it through until it's talk through. Yeah, I think that we don't really have a system for it. But I think what it what it comes down to is whoever puts it out on the table has the mic right? So if someone's putting it out on the table, you got the mic and and let's say let's say victorious put something on the table. I'm going to give her the space to express herself in any way she wants she wants to scream. She wants to let it out. She wants to do this that she totally can not if she doesn't ever do that, but I'm just saying that would be open. It's a kind of interpretation that be open for us to talk about but she has a mic and until she says that's what I wanted to express. Then I can come in and start to be like, okay, you know, here's what I was thinking. Here's what my side of the story is and and and really kind of just like just really encouraging her to let everything out and not coaching her but coming up with Solutions right that we can do as a group and that kind of leads into the Final piece which is there's got to be an actionable step. Right? So so like for instance with the example that I use them you walk in yesterday when she was on a call and me kind of not thinking about the fact that she was on a visualization call when she told me about was totally my bad was like, okay, what's our action item? Okay. We're both really busy people. Sometimes we're going to forget stuff put a Post-It note on the floor that says hey, I'm running a visualization called. Please be quiet. So now we know now it's like, okay cool like I forgot Not judging me for that. You know she was doing her thing. I'm not judging her for not reminding me but now we know that it's like okay next time. It's like if we're on a podcast because we all do a lot we both do a lot of this stuff. We're on a podcast we're doing visualizations were recording stuff that we leave a post about this is hey, I'm in recording. Oh, can you please please keep it really quiet. So that gives us an outcome and and and to be honest like that that works perfectly for us every single time and and the big one is like Ike You know, not just not it's all a trigger. No, it's all a frigging trigger. Like it's the reason that we get upset is a trigger. It has nothing to do with the other person or us like I can say the word blue and to me that means nothing but to you that was like a very traumatizing experience in Blue Water. That's you you're going to start freaking out and they tell you it's a word clue. How could you and I'm just like dude. I'm just talking about a color man, but you're freaking out because there's this thing inside you that hates the word blue that is nothing to do with me and it's just a trigger. So if we can see it as a trigger pull that situation out observe the situation then it removes it from either of us. So, you know to me that's been that's been the biggest key and then figuring out how we take action is everything. Beautiful so powerful. So powerful man will start to wrap things up. But what I I'd love to hear from you and we will kind of touching on it a little bit before we started recording in terms of what's been most present in terms of learnings or stuff for you recently and you you mentioned the power of the breath and Anna breath work practice and it's getting a lot more popularity with Wim Hof and biodynamic breath work and those kinds of things I'd love to hear your take on it how how you kind of introduced and obviously being engaged to a breathwork practitioner would would definitely enhance that but yeah talk to me about breathwork what it's provided for you and how you use it as a tool for yourself and if it is something that you use with clients as well definitely but breath has by far been one of the most powerful tools I've ever I've ever I've ever Uh came across from a performance perspective and from a from a you know, a deep work perspective small I use it in two ways. So I do breath work every morning to pick my state. So I'll do breathwork every single morning just because I know it gets me into an elevated Consciousness where I produce and I operate on a much higher level than if I don't so from a performance level like even before I go to the gym if I do, you know, Victoria Lucas and his company the O2 Awakenings day. Practice by do that before I go train, I feel so fantastic. I feel Jazz. I'm just like fired right up throw some cacao and matcha in there and I'm off like a friggin Rocketship pre-workout oxygen exactly honest Injun. Yeah well to Cal and Masha and you are you are laughing. I'm so from a performance perspective. It's been really cool. And even in that space, I found that when you start looking at biodynamic breath work in trauma release systems, you know, you can really start to see that even A stiff hips tight shoulders, you know stiff back stiff necks, you know, all these different challenges that come up with respect to our body's movement are generally a lot of stored trauma, right and and and they turn into these knots in our tissue because our bodies, you know, holding onto them because we haven't dealt with them. So, you know leading into kind of the second part of how beneficial it is for the Deep work. It's like from a performance perspective it can start to really open your body up. As you start to release this trauma like the deeper I go. I know I store trauma in my in my left hip and the deeper I go into breathwork, you know, Lucas is on a session for me. Victoria's done some Luke Tracy's Luke has done some for me and and there's always a you know, a lot of emphasis on that left hip and as I've been going through that it's been releasing more and more and more and you know funnily enough my squads getting deeper, you know, and it just like all these things happen where my form gets a lot nicer my activation my Cil's gets better. So it's really actually, you know, the Deep work is helping my performance. So one modality that I'm really using for it is helping people dive into the deep work so they can open up their body so they can perform better. Now, it goes even deeper than that into into the work as well because you know as you release trauma as you go down that path you then also see where your self sabotaging yourself you see where you're insecure, you know, I work with some people that you know have eating disorders and challenges in that respect and you can really Start to see like why you do these things by going into a breath work session. So it's it's really helped me with kind of my full spectrum of practice IE getting somebody to a place of self love all the way to performing at their optimal state. So for me, it's been one of the most one of the most powerful modalities that you know, I'm going to learn more. I'm going to do another course in Vancouver and September. I'm in Bali again for another one in December and so I'm learning all these different modalities because there's really something to be said for that and the best part is you don't need anything other than you know, couples couple lungs. It's free. Yeah. Yeah, it's free and it's it doesn't take up a whole bunch of time awesome. And I love that perspective on tying to Performance. I haven't had a lot of conversations around that with people a lot about, you know, releasing trauma or relaxing the nervous system or these kinds of things, but that direct link to Performance is a cool Insight. So thanks for thanks for sharing that of course beautiful. And is there anything else you wanted to share before? We start to wrap up anything else that's hot on your heart any topics that weren't quite covered or anything else that you want to share at the moment. hmm I think we covered a lot of the stuff that's really kind of present for me right now. And it's really kind of been in my field, you know, but I guess one of the one of the biggest things that I've been called to lately has been helping people kind of in their professional kind of areas and really kind of starting to look more at the corporate world as well as like more the conventional kind of Fitness World. And the reason that that comes up is I find that breath work and self-love and all these modalities like they're fantastic. Great well, but a lot of times they attract, you know people that are in this state of you know already on the spiritual path and things like that. And and and to me it's become a lot more than that. It's like how do we actually start to elevate Collective Consciousness outside of our kind of you know, realm outside of our area of expertise and you know, I live in a bun so you can go up and ideas with anybody you want on the street for an hour if you want it. So, you know, it's like it's pretty easy to be like hey, you want to talk about self-love and how that you know works, you know how that kind of, you know helps you become, you know, better perform in the gym or yoga or whatever that may be but it's really become like how how we as kind of, you know practitioners and people in the in the health world or the spirituality world of Vitality world really kind of like help people that are stuck kind of in their day-to-day, you know that are really kind of in the grind and I'm really kind of drawn towards this because I was a finance executive for so long I mean I saw it, you know, I saw people sitting in flexion for nine hours a day eating jars of peanut butter and birthday cake, you know before 9 a.m. And you know drinking Coke and they're kind of like, I don't know why I have IBS and your kind of like, you know it I got an idea, you know, but but it's really kind of getting into that world and how as a collective group, you know were able to kind of bridge that and and I guess what that what that kind of leads me into is just kind of a of my work right now has been focused on professionals and helping them through that and so, you know a big one that I really want to mention if anybody you know is in the corporate world or there in the 9 to 5 grind and they're in that in that state where they're kind of like I don't have enough time to do all these things you guys are talking about like, you know, I got kids I got I travel once a month. I do all these things. What am I supposed to do? It's really kind of like helping them understand that there is another option and that And that energy doesn't provide Vitality Vitality provides energy and what I mean by that is, you know, you don't have to find the time to train if you train you will have the time right and and I think a lot of people get that backwards and when I was in the finance world, like I had seven percent body fat and I was managing, you know, I was on calipers so not on a dexa of someone who's listening once me be specific about 14% 14% on a dexa, but that's really damn good. And I was managing a book over 300 clients. I was traveling every single month and it was more about my day-to-day and how I fostered that and the belief that I knew that if I spent two hours at the gym, I would knock four hours off of my work day because I was more productive. I was more in the zone and I had more energy to get shit done not to mention. I was a lot more confident to tell somebody that was standing at my desk distracting me to get back to their desk and on their six. I was trying to get stuff done, right? So it all kind of fostered this. This new kind of situation inside of here this new belief inside of me that Vitality is my fuel. You know, it's not it's not as side game. It's not a periphery item. It's not something that I get to do when it's a part of my to-do list. And if you got like have a meeting with your assistant or you know board meeting here before that. It should be like go to the gym and crushing our work out because then you're going to show up to that meeting like a boss. You're going to have a better meeting with your assistant and you're going to get things done. Better and it just takes a bit of a shift and every time we take we had to take a bit of a shift, we got a bit of a hiccup, right and it's going to be kind of weird. You're like, oh my God, I'm scrambling I'm tired, but eventually that's going to mellow out and that's going to smooth out and you're going to get into a level where you're going to be operating at such a peak Peak state that you never thought possible that you're going to be getting things done twice as fast and you're going to have twice as much time. Hmm. So that's been a really really important one. Yeah. Love at such an important point that That you've got to put energy into get energy out so often if there's fatigue or tiredness or so. I need to rest and say well actually if you put in energy, you're going to receive more energy and then it's just that my say that mental switch because it's so counterintuitive initially and it's just like the power of that is yeah definitely worth talking about thanks for bringing that up. I'm going to give you full Reign now because I believe we can speak our Visions into Obviously combining it with action. But what I want to hear from you is what's your vision? What's really? I know you've got a couple of programs that you're launching all of that and we'll definitely talk about that in a second. But let's just I'm going to give you permission to go a little bit bigger with the listeners here and just because you never know who's listening who might collaborate or who might you know, you just never know. So I'd love to hear what's really exciting you at the moment. What's your vision? What are you what are you working towards? Yeah, so that's a that's a great question. And so my my Guiding Light in what I do is I want to add over 1 million years of human life back to the planet. So and what I mean by that is is not just in like in like distance and like time and like actual like your no I don't want you to you know, you know, I don't want you to live at a hundred if you're still going to be feeling like crap like you did when you're 90, like like I want to add years. Back to people's lives of active exciting amazing years and so my goal is to add a million years back to this back to human existence from an accumulative scale. And that's my Guiding Light and I'm still figuring out once again going into that uncertainty. I'm still figuring out how I'm going to calculate and do that, but I've got some pretty cool people that I'm starting to work with right now that we're starting to develop a pretty cool system on and That's my Guiding Light. That is my vision for what I do because I believe that we have so much potential inside of us and we have so much capability to become these amazing super human creative machines to bring forth so much Beauty and so much abundance in our lives of energy and impact whatever it might be and I just believe that when people are doing the things that they love their operating from a from a from a well-maintained optimal state that those Things are going to come to light and I believe that you know, once those things start coming to light people are going to need more time to really bring forth what they truly believe in and you know, I want them to keep keep running marathons and keep climbing mountains and keep doing all these amazing things as long as they can because I know that's fueling other things in their lives. So that's my my Grand Vision for what I do. I love it man powerful inspiring mission. Beautiful. Well, we'll wrap it up there and I just yeah share with the listeners where can people find you. I know you hang out on install a lot. And then you mentioned you're getting some YouTube stuff happening. So yeah any relevant links working people come find you cool. Yeah. So right now Instagram is the best place so at can McDougal and my YouTube channel is going to be up and running soon. I'm just definitely I'm loading up a bunch of videos for that before I launch it, but you can also see me at kamik google.com if you want to book a free consult to chat and see kind of where you're at and see if I can help you in any way as well as I'm going to have a bunch of details on my course coming out called fueled by Vitality in about four weeks that basically takes people from you know, Finding Clarity all the way to writing their own personalized Vitality program and how they can execute it through the course of their lives, you know, based on all the different variables that come Come up. So that's going to be a really really fun one. So I'll be posting a lot about that on Instagram as well as Facebook. But the primary place to see me as on Instagram or my website beautiful and I'll I'll put all those links in the show notes as well. So you guys can go check out cam there. Well, man, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thanks so much for coming on and having a chat with us. My pleasure man. Tons of fun much love and that is a wrap. I hope you enjoyed that. Invitation with Cam make sure you go and check out the show notes and get all the links to his websites and socials so you can follow Cam and he's always consistently putting out really cool beneficial helpful content and is also launching an online program really soon in the next week to a week or so. So definitely head on over and check out all the details of that. And also while you're at it while you're listening to this just go and give us a review head over to iTunes and Give the podcast review. I'd love to hear your insights and feedback, especially this early on in the gestation phase of the podcast hearing feedback on what you guys are enjoying or want to hear more of is really helpful and really beneficial and and it really helps boost the podcast as well to get this in the ears of more people. So that would be much appreciated. And when you do just take a screenshot of it and throw it out on the insta stories and tag me so I can get around you with that would be much appreciated. She ate it so that's it for today guys. Yeah. I hope you enjoyed the conversation and I look forward to dropping in with you next week.
Cam is a financial executive turned high performance coach. While running a book of over 300 clients in the corporate finance game, Cam became a Regional CrossFit athlete, achieved 4 Presidents Club awards, and launched his first online business. Fast forward 5 years Cam now lives in Bali, Indonesia after selling his business and fully committing to optimizing the lives of other professionals. His new mission is to add over 1 million cumulative “Bad-ass” years back to human life through his one on one coaching and online programs. He knows first hand the time constraints placed on entrepreneurs and executives, and has now made it his duty to help them embrace a “bad-ass” life. “Every day we bring our mission to life through our bodies, as leaders, it is our duty to make sure that it comes from a place of strength and power”. Through his “6 C Method” he rewires habit patterns, brings consistency to our fitness programs and ties our results in the gym to the impact we want to make in the world. We are excited to have him on the show, and can’t wait to dive right in. Show Summary: The importance of embracing uncertainty  How Cam went from highschool drop out/involved in crime to what hes doing now How Cam became a high performance coach The adventure with Shorten the divide The importance and necessity for Doing things out of service Turning your body into a vehicle for change and service The thundermentals of coaching that Cam delivers Band-Aids vs embodiment Addiction to fitness for the wrong reasons Cam’s shifts in his ideas of relationship Keeping the polarity and dynamic right in relationship The most powerful tool Cam has come across Vitality provides energy  Key Points: Relevant Links and Website: Instagram: @cammacdougall Website: www.cammacdougall.com(All course information can be reached here) Course starts 16th September Tully O’Connor: Website: www.tullyoconnor.co Instagram: @tullyoconnor Men, join us in The Conscious Locker Room Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/consciouslockerroom/ 