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All right guys nice who's news but something happened last night was keeping music is a new Heavyweight Champion important note about that and of the UFC, of course the important about that is he's also a firefighter who no longer though, but he's a full-time firefighter which would be challenging to UFC fighter in a full-time firefighter, I think even though his schedule my love for me. We are two minutes in and here comes the eighth notes. I already ordered know he was a firefighter for quite some time, but it's good to see him do that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure he's given a cool highlights and fight this good Catholic news on some other firefighter doing something badass. Yeah, so I don't have the info in front of me but a off-duty firefighter and I love hummus. Painter and volley, but somewhere in the states he had. Whatever the laws are to carry concealed carry and he was in a place of business. There was a robbery taking place and he stepped in intervene. And yeah save the star on the robbers an active shooter. It was an active shooter wasn't me? He came in with an assault rifle body armor. He was loaded and ready to roll and it didn't get to actively sure. He did not get to had to be shoot because Patty shut him down kept him at gunpoint for the duration until the cops. Done and done. Yeah, it is pretty awesome. Well, that's the thing about that active Shooters and thing police know what like if you can find all of them, they'll do one of two things usually either give up because they're cowards. These are shooting at people or they'll shoot themselves. It's pretty awesome. Oh, yeah, they're shooting sauce. Yeah. That's the first save everyone they met her part. As far as I am. She can't shoot myself first and then I'll do it. I don't see it either. Yeah, that's yeah, that was cool. What I read that apple is pretty awesome. And I think again it goes to that there's so much that he talked a lot about that on one of our episodes actually similar switch with the here with the a Tech conference and it's in pieces of The US yeah, I don't know if it's a gang but my feelings are going culture than culture. It's a factors 320 million people have gotten him. I think I mean there's a little bit of a culture and they obviously there were their firearms rules are a lot different to ours up here, but we have like in our country we have as many people that live in like, California actually California has more. Yeah. Yeah, so when you get that money Living in one country together you're gonna have some issues but we always in England. Obviously, we my uncle's used to refer to it as rats in the cage right to put to rights in the cage. Everyone gets on as one bowl of food and everyone's doing it. You add more rats more rats more rats and eventually especially popular song do nothing. You just gotta fight scrap and scraped and get to the get some grub. So, So it's different. Let's crack on we just get away from the rats conversations Engage The for the four laws of rules of combat the rules of combat re-recording. We are actually extremely ownership Jocko willing to book Jocko is rural big fans of Jocko. He is a Navy SEAL or was a Navy SEAL he A group a group of seals in their training exercises except he was leader at Chatsworth Bruiser and yeah did some amazing amazing stuff. He his podcast is by far one of my favorites and recently. He just went through a series. It was from like episode 187 all the way to one night you reading this one book and it was the book that they hand out to the Marines Marine Corps, right Marine Corps. Guidance but it was awesome. It's fantastic and off the back of that. I was like man put a note in the Trello that we should have an episode. Yeah, what we're supposed to write stuff down for the podcast and I'm the only one who uses it but I think I digress hi. My name is why is that so yeah, I don't know in there and then today is I'm coming back from from another time. It's got me. From Scotty. Yeah, I don't know if we got any ideas and progress tonight, but we should do the four rules of combat as they apply to that completely agree. It's it there's so many different ways. And again, you can see this in some of the training stuff that we do. So let's roll into it. They're sponsored Roman a couple of four and then we'll just start from one. Yeah. Yeah great. So we've got the four rules are basically covering move simple. So keeping it simple prioritize and execute and then decentralized command. And those four are the Keystone's Keystone's to every piece of every tactic every everything including on and off the phone rang in the hall as well as I sewed. So Scott the start with cover and move ahead of clothes. Yeah, so cover Move. It sounds very tactical but what it what it really is just teamwork. This is back in your back of your teammates up recording with chocolate says and I agree because obviously the everything we do we back each other up all the time. So we always like if your teammates doing something you should be with your teammate help them out. We always say what we feel a little like we obviously something that's needs feeling. This will go you will will cover the other person. So I think that's really important, you know every call we've had especially recently I noticed a guys doing that a lot. They felt holes as I see them pop up a meeting the other day. We were just wait this also ignorant the series being with the your structure fires. Yeah, it's we thought that's Many more destructive. So the one last week which it actually when one thing I was thinking about when we when this came up when we start talking about doing this essentially all for pretty much every call. We do these four rules coming on, but even on that small call because it turned up to this fall call all these things popped up, but the cover moving again it came right up because we were filling holes. Because there's a structure fire and it was it was you guys in. Well, actually you can talk about a little bit they will talk about that before we talk about a lot of combat. Yeah. So we get a call structure fire comes in Chief is going direct. Our first engine was very close behind. We arrived on scene to nothing showing. So yeah. Okay, this is It says there was smoke in a room that was it was an alarm response. So this is the the call or not payable. There's nothing showing so usually the first one seen does their 360 seen sound. Bob had just arrived. It was a bob takes the right side. I look at him. Like Hey, I'm going down left and then one of the guys on the truck war and I say war and I want you to check the front front door. See what we have up top. Top showing as we walk around the back. So it's a walk-in upper-level building with a walkout basement and its leaves out onto a beach to the lake. So as we're doing this we come around the back side. Oh, there is fire. There is smoke and Flame and we really that back and get people to advance down. It was like Scott says it wasn't a big one. It was the fire started basically. On the outside of the building and was slowly spreading through the outside the structure into the basement 5 says you have being being quick thought that enough you'll knock down quickly, but it was a nothing call but every box was ticked, which is what you love to see in your eyes. I think we talked about that afterwards like that day or the following day we talked about how you know, just like the same you're trying to fill in holes everything. Every little box gets checked and that's how things go smoothly. Like myself doesn't get bigger and so back to cover Move one thing cuz I was on you enzyme II do it, which I'm not on second doing quite often because I live so close. So normally I'm either not on any network or I'm on the first century. So it was like, oh I'm a second engine so different things go to you because now I'm like changing gear Frank is how I have to think of Second engines so top responsibilities as driving there tomorrow and probably a bit heightened. But again, it was coming through as nothing showing. So we're rolling out them regular oven - but they're obviously doing stuff. So I got the response response now. So as we roll out I can see they have a line stretched. I can see a little bit of smoked some like man. It's a structure fire. Let's hit a hydrant even though I was radioing nothing nothing. So am I going we're just going to fill out a little come to these guys as well obviously of water so so are we are talking to hide when Bob came up I think is a little surprised you hit the hydrant is he was I like again, we didn't communicative like site we try to communicate it but thing and fire around always happens where he was don't necessarily work, so A little bit decent size command and cover Move that we could be as we do that teamwork. We use something needs to be done with this bill that we map the weight some other departments away. We work with in the last few months and stuff. They will not do anything unless you're told to do something and that delays a lot of things especially with the timer's we run on. Yeah, and even once we arrived again, I knew there was guys kind of working on it. No, they're going lhe some guys didn't go in because it was inventing. So right away. I'm like, let's pull the rip like again. No one tells us do this, but we know these are the things that have to be filled. So again back to the other some of the other people we work with like other Regional Departments of stuff there. They will not do anything until I can tell them I know in the past it was always like well don't freelance folk realized. Oh freelancer because freelancing is the who get a weight say well, yeah, I don't start doing Weird stuff but we trained to understand how things need done and all these holes and be killed so fill the hole. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, the cover Move is may just you know supporting each other. No in Nome what your capabilities are known what the capabilities are the team and then just working towards that that common goal that everyone else is trying to achieve and just making sure that you know you're taking That you for the stuff that you know and going through those those steps. I mean, I more exact example of government would be like the nozzle man and me in the back of his coming there are totally that's what a lot of people like when you think of removed if I can do men shooting and moving and there's like a nozzle person moving on the back of guys pushing the hose and then leaving the third door control guy. So those guys were those guys are really covered move like they're like, Thrown together and I'm moving everything through when they're working. Well together. They that's that's that's a perfect example of cover Move, but on the broader picture from the other stuff we do is also covered move. So as you use the analogy of the the hosting the nozzle guy in the back up guider. It's a perfect way to move into the the simple stuff. So number two is simple now simple for us recently. Especially when we're talking about the nozzle operator and the backup guy. We've now refined those jobs down to the nozzle guy is just a nozzle guy and the backup guy has a couple of different couple of different things to do but it used to be that we had the nozzle that I operate in all of those functions and a whole bunch of other sites. You want to talk a little bit about that as you roll into it. Yeah. Well, it's just like to say it's you simplify what those guys are doing now, so What we used to do is we would have the whole team going and they would be dragging all sorts of tools with them. The nozzle guy be tripping over fools as he is trying to advance. So when you simplify that they can focus on the task has directly in front of them the back of guys still it still has a big river a larger task with embossing. He's done the most amount of work but simplifying that nozzle man's job. It allows them. This and being focused as what's going to effectively get that task done. Absolutely because with that with that simple thing, you know, we all know if like if you make anything too complicated and too complex, you're trying to run through so many things and your brains trying to action all of them at once very challenging when you're just another guy and you just operate in the nozzle you're concentrating on what's underneath you where that fire is and where you are and whether or not you need to move or spray and that's really the only things really it should be going through your head so much something to be going on. So when you break down you keep you keep it simple. They're able to see like you see what's in front of me. What's behind me? What's around me their task is just that nozzle and what might be coming out on. Yeah, which I think also adds when we've now added that the captain with that attack team there as well. This is let's take a nap because it is the nozzle guy used to literally pick up things the other radio. thermal camera and the nozzle the back of guys to be as we said nuts to butts to them. So they're basically wiggle one little they're like a run stuck together laughs all of it. So now we've spread it out. So the nozzle nozzle offerings right at the front entrance to the house of operator method type an estate guy, but it also operators of the front and in the back of person is is 6 8 feet back and we talked about this but if you know, they're back farther so they can move those better. They're not Nozzle operator around because they're not freaking out they still have visual for the most part Vision unless it's really Smoky but they're going to have verbals they're also going to have they're gonna be able to feel the hose with it's moving and also if nozzle operator false rule, they're not all going in the hole together. So that's one thing we've done we've separated them. We've taken the thermal camera giving it to the backup operator back a person because if the nozzle operator needs it he can call that person up and they can use it as a gun safe because I actually have the helmet. Cam footage of me try that with me on a structure fire inside a structure fire. I'm trying to run the nozzle and turn around the thermal camera and it wasn't I was like, yeah, I actually I want to point out flip it backwards and you see on the helmet channel icon to turn around and embarrassing but you see me trying to look at the thing and I drop the thermo gonna spray it on like they pick up Van which is wasn't working. So we've taken that now and we've and you know, it's on you have a YouTube live in Virginia. We believe in the the page. Yeah, we had because we had Jake Right you run the yeah, so we have a gun sight of the backup person comes over give them the Gun Sight and you can sort of Novel operator can look through the gun sight of that thermal camera. So that's one thing we've taken the thermal camera given to the backup person because a backup person for the most part all they do is pull a nose they can run the thermal camera and they're also checking the doors for you as we go through we've taken that opportunity because there were no Niles offer. You said the radio on them too. So it's like trying to run no hose and the than the chief calls, you know Gavin trying to do all this work and what never working. So the radio is now with the captain they all work as a kind of a team together. So they're all kids can they're covering move each other and keeping it simple because everybody has one or two tasks and stuff one guy has eight. Yeah try to remember. Yeah, and I think there's there's other there's two other words will come up to write all of this as well. And that is the dichotomy which Joker's next book was the dichotomy of leadership and it's that you know you Can always do one thing to an extreme and get kind of cool up in it. And when you said focus on - that was one of those things right like you can be extremely focused on that task and you can be so focused on that testing and not looking at anything else and that's where the Detachment mr. Come at. You need to be able to stop think or as they say in the book it relaxed look around and make the call. Right? Like I need to be able to step back and that's kind of now what the captain's able to do or the nozzle. Here is focused on his task. And while the backup guy is focused on his task. The captain now is also doing that even though we're all you know, we all should be taking that moment to figure figure out where we are what we're doing and detach it and then figuring out the situation making sure there's no danger anything else around us making sure that situation hasn't changed because again if we're in a burning structure things change very rapidly time because I just wrote curriculum for my other job for Mike Ross what we call accents are my the dumb. We didn't have anything or like there was a lot of driving involved in my view. So I've written this curriculum in the first slide of the new curriculum. Is that quote from talk about one of the higher-ups on a left, of course, you have jokke whenever but it's actually it's in there and I saw the final product and it's in there. It's going to the higher-ups as that's the first slide awesome. So I thought oh, yeah, it was great. That's awesome. Yeah, so the Detachment and sites it is super super important keeping things simple making sure that everybody understands everyone understands what the plan is and making sure that the the the task that we've got in front of us is broken down into the simple task to get the job done because when you look at it as a whole like any problem any problem you look at can be extremely complex, there's lots and lots of moving parts and when you've got all these different teams during Different things from the outside in it. Looks like it looks like we're just this one operating unit this doing this massive task, but when you look at each individual person everyone having that job and filling that hole. So when you see something not happening or something that's that needs somebody else there to go and do that thing. We fill that hole and then that person's just doing a set few tasks of that role. So that individual simple tasks build up into that complex thing to fix that complex problem, right? What? Selling the commander's intent is always a thing. Like I said evenly on that call last week and it said the intent obviously the intensity of the fire. So I'm thinking okay. What do we need to put out the fire your water? That's a diamond. Now, the guys are in the what we need now, so I understand the intent to involve wants without any relay me. He may not even know that's what he wants. But he's like, he knows what we need to do is structure fire. But again, there's a lot of stuff command. Is he gone and as captains its origin? Bob is to take some of that from the command and deal with our little sections and then the guys are a new fad take some of that stuff from us and you with their little sections which leads us the right way into number three. Alright script which is number three is prioritize and execute. So again, it's that like the relaxed look around make a course and the prioritized Is Hugh is just making sure that you go through that list. Okay, what are the priorities relay and those priorities to your team making sure everyone understands it but keeping it simple and then from there on executing that task until completion, but then being able to detach enough that you can see everything else going on around you to allow you to be able to be agile and change if you need to and adapt to the situation of the time you're on talked about there. Yeah and what I'll say about that in That's always in my mind and it comes back to acting and I think all time was Todd said what's important now when it's microscope? Essence it's the same idea. Thanks. You have to look at whatever is in front of you know, whatever. The scene is. What's important about that is going to be five six seven things that are coming at you whether it's an accident scene as we be traffic is going to be injury. You can't effectively go ahead and take care of everything, you know, the injury is terrible, but But if the highways running and another cars crashing through well now you got eight injured right not to so you have to stop one thing from getting worse before you can get them to the next thing better. And I think that's you know, the wind the whole prioritize execute. It's the same idea. You have to step back. You have to look and see what what you know needs to be accomplished first accomplish that chance entirety and then move on to the next important thing so you can continue to execute a lot. Yeah, absolutely. It's it's prioritizing is cute is one of those things that will help you and all of these things will help you in any aspect of your like not just on fire scenes. If you follow this checklist almost. Yeah, you can do amazing things. Right and the prioritizing execute will do it day to day if we're in certain jobs, right what's important in this job was important in this situation when it comes to fire seems like Scott was doing when he got on unit 2, okay. What are my duties now on engine to what are my priorities do we need to hit the hydrant? Can I see smoke you doing your window check? All right, and you're thinking about you know the guys in the back and what they need to be doing goes in the back of figuring out what they need to be doing when you're hitting the hydrant who's going out to do that who's taking that that lead right? And so again the the prioritization of those pieces to be able to make a plan so we go on All right, something like this before but this year I've noticed this especially prior doesn't execute a lot more. Well actually all the for these things being an officer being actual red have this year? It's been a lot different because of these things are always in there and I think you well, actually I were talking being duty officer for the week. It's stressful. You don't really sleep very well because you're like on the radio. Call comes in you unless it be like it goes a call when you're like oh, you know what then you have figured out and all stuff for all through the night and you're you know, you're probably gonna be the first one there because you have the duty truck parked a drought. So you're in you're not going to a fire hall to get the truck here getting it from your house you're driving. So, you know, you're in the first one there. So your job right away priority is gonna be stabilizing seeing if that's you can obviously it's a structure fire. There's not a whole lot we can do to stabilize the seen other than you know, there's other priorities like power. Where's the nearest hydrant or more genders water supply or the people inside all the sorts of things that so it becomes a priority. I mean, there's reseal we talked about this. There's also its actions in the fire service, but it's basically just comes down to prioritize and execute. So every time you roll this stuff your head like what is it that's important stuff and I notice that a lot more now in this year than previous year with and I was just like, you know, I was kind of a casual Get the truck in front of the truck officer guy because I was the training officer. So I was like, was it the fifth in the chain of command or six or whatever wisely? So I didn't really have a you know, I didn't need to get in the front of the truck. I can still a cop in the back and now it's like when you have any readout on your kind of expect yeah, you should be in the front of the truck. It was no one else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah with the and again it comes back as well to the touch when one becomes a priority prioritize and execute because again, you may be working on what well is priority one and then the scene changes had now there's somebody inside. Okay, great. We now need to fix that problem all of the priorities of now shifted and that's now how many or you've detached enough the officer stood back. Hey power line above you right like things that I'm a big, you know, we've just going through those motions of being able to see everything not focusing on the building is on fire but looking at and being able to see the power lines and taking a peek across. Street and see in it. You know, there's a couple of cars in the driveway. Maybe there's somebody inside. It's 3:00 in the morning and I see you've got those designs right so which I kind of like it sucks because that the over fire waiting now we showed up I didn't do that priority because we start off on my up. I doubt that everything burning. So it's like I'm looking at grasp. I'm looking like two cars in the motor home. Like I'm not a structure of some kind of like figure out what sorry priorities and then we park and we get out now - yeah, he's good and I look up and the power line is right over a truck, but everyone is deployed now with water it was like so I told Warren Warren was running the truck. So I'm like more and more than old. So he looked up I'm like, okay. So now we've already made a mistake you get accepted mistake we go into as an extreme ownership. We own them State be made but now we're seeing here. So we definitely kept an eye on Paramount's make sure we were fooling around there if I can get only long high priority is to make sure that power line is stable and then right away we have power company to come and we kept going on and you know, we never did have a problem but I was 10 because it's one of those things that it's screwed up, but you also like that. Sometimes it happens a lot of stuff around your head like you Can't get sucked into the scene. Yeah, and I think it's funny because then we talked about it a little bit with that kind of going back to simple a little bit right like yeah. It's a really simple step that sometimes we forget simple steps and that's where even checklist and stuff don't always work in your brain. It's very tough to do that understand under stress. And when you're looking at the bigger picture or trying to at least sometimes things get missed and when you look at that section, we find a problem. And then we concentrate on the problem, but I'll tell you what I bet you don't pack under a power line for another few years, right? Because now it's it's in the Forefront right like man. That's seen it stuck with you you made a mistake, but now you just going to be me and on top of that and maybe it was something else we forget. But again, it's that that making sure that your priorities are you so the final one is decentralized command lady centralized command is not freelancing. It is non-free. Lansing it is operating to within your Authority basically your leaders and leaderships give you parameters and you operate within those set parameters. So Scott says go hit a hydrant. I'm not going to tell you so it doesn't say go and hit this hydrant and use the kit and grab the line and turn it and remember your accounts and blah blah blah and is there's no it's go hit the hydrant same as if you were to say. Reach that door. It wouldn't be a conversation wouldn't be a step-by-step guide to hide a brief side door. It would be your presenter and a lot of acid all that. I see with train back to training because if you don't train and then that's when you have guys to stand there and have an officer basically hold your hand while you do it because we don't train it. The only time you're gonna do it is on the training on the fire ground, then that's when you have to learn it learning. That is the worst time weren't you know, if you if you But maybe the guy that maybe look over like I look over and I see Hyderabad, right? Yeah, and it's been a couple minutes. Well, okay, what's going on over there is the first time a problem is a hydrant not working because there anyway we don't have that problem here very much because we're a pretty small town whenever we have a good town. Probably where example the word for really good. Yeah. Thanks take a long cycle hydrants. I've heard a lot of stories in life. Detroit for guys will hit eighth hydrants and they're all dead. They're all the activated. They've had stuff stuffed in there rusted. They fly like they had to go around until they finally found a hydrant. So that happens it never happens to us, but it's always it's always happened can be there or as opposed to just having a problem because maybe they forgot what to do hook it up, right? They they turned it on before they put it a gate valve on so I just shut down maybe then one of us some of the someone who's over there Medicaid try this but The Statler over them make sure that they're doing it right is it there it should be able to do all right. We're all set. We also make sure our guys are know that Don't take on a job. If you don't know how to do it. Like if we're driving up and I say who wants to hide her and who's going to hit the hydrant and you put your hand. Well, you better not hit I burn sometimes that like, you know, there's a structure fire once I look back. I said two months ahead Hydra narrow enough to me and I realized it was all your guys as I guess something on itself and it was like I never was right there. So it wasn't a big deal that was kind of before we start our weight and training them really into our recruiting so The new recruits hadn't learned how to hit hydrants until well into their first year. Well, I know the whole truck was wiener girls even called recruits and they're just new guys. They you know, I was wearing only we've talked with lots of that was when it was just whatever hide whatever practice happened to me that night. That's who you were where you practice. So maybe you didn't get a hug and practice with all European take a year to recycle three, maybe their practice wasn't your towards the rookie. He was here, you know, there's eight guys. That all of them would be on for a while and one rookie. So we quickly go through. This is memoranda so we can hide them. It's super quick and rookies like Mike. So now we've now it's a recruit training legal my step by step. The person should know what you're doing. And if they missed it, then we'll trim and cram again or go over again, but they should really know what they're doing. So that was really no reason that so it's true and that's that's with this the biggest portion of the centralized command you count. Decentralized command if people don't know what they're doing. They are not trained to be able to do that. And this is one of those is the perfect window. Yeah, it's the perfect thing for this is the the whole concept of filling the whole decentralized. Command is filling the hole. That's all it is. It's I see one person or nozzle and they need a backup guy and no one's there. That's my job. Now. I'm gonna go fill up and I'm trained enough and smart enough that I've been training hard. And I know that I want to look at the situation something's missing. I've got the training to fill that something and now I'm going to go and do that. I don't need my officer to tell me to do that. That's my job now because I'm a spare pair of hands or whatever right? I've got that knowledge and that experience to be able to say, okay. This is what I need to do to make this happen or you see some go struggling one of the door. We've already got the irons your head no room you're dealing with that right now you're on now you're on door and or control of your breach. So one of the people who say I seen on a few is a firefighter going around and he's just taken window without and no one's told to take these windows out. That's freelancing. So he's a start smashing Windows of the next thing they got a few flash over and back for often all this that's what up and makes it makes fireworks. Right? So there's reading that and filling the whole of being the person that's smashing taking the windows is that yeah, your job is to take the window but your job because you know from training your job is to fit into the team that is in ventilation. So you drop into the team event election. So, you know, one of the steps is I need to take a window, but I need to Sure that the government gets is ready to go fans that the guys ready to push and this is the right window not to smash every window in place. So that's kind of a difference between freelance to start doing stuff that I don't know you do it doesn't make sense. And it didn't. Yeah, it doesn't fit in anything. It's that you like you're not working with a team you're working by yourself as a freelance Partners. Yeah, where is des centralized command as you're still working with your team to drop it into small groups of people cause that's really what the Fire Guard. Is it small. Groups of people it's not one person. There's always small groups. It's attack team is three people or for anyone what you're doing for people don't even tap ventilation team whose through the four people the RIT team owned two three, four that are many you got in your routine. All that stuff only accountants. One person is usually puts a hydrant prohibit difference in the hydrant. But even then you're teamed up with it was a drunk guy. So with the big thing with that the centralized command is and this is this is from the the officer standpoint if you're looking at is an officer you need to make sure that would be centralized command. Not only does everybody need to be trained to a certain level and standard and know what they're doing. But you also you still need to set parameters beforehand and that being, you know, your area of operation, right you're operating within your Authority every time but you always need. To know as well the commander's intent and with that commander's intent. That's what that's what everyone else is basing their decisions on I'm making decisions now because I know that the chief has said I want this done go and do it. And now I'm going to make the decisions on how they gets that he doesn't care how it gets done. He wants it done and the officers are doing the same thing. I find the second you engine. Really operates on your that. So the first you there's there's generally some guidance because they are coming onto the scene where somebody has eyes on something that they don't have right. So there's there can be a lot of guidance. It's not going to be grab the hose go over here take eighteen steps, but it'll be this is where the fire is. Let's get a team going this way 117 going this way when the second engine. Was up like we say it's that fill in the hole but as an officer, you can hop out and you can see there's no fan of yet. There's no red. You're going to lose your map out lose. But here you're going to get your Manpower spread and like say they're dropping into all these different teams on a call. Like we just had we rolled a rescue truck just too many bands Manpower basically. Any sort of attend or anything there so that comes up. I mean that an entire truck company is going to be going everywhere. So one guy is going to go over to RIT next guys going to go over to the ventilation team. The next guy is going to go down and back up the nozzle mm like those there's people running everywhere. So that's as decentralized as you can get and again going back to that call. It was the nothing call, but all those boxes Okay is everybody has flowed out and it went perfectly so and all of these things constantly work together. And again with that Detachment when it comes to the decentralized command that's where you need to you've finished your job or you're working something which maybe isn't a high priority but it still needs to be done. And then as you take a second and you relax you look around and then you see something going on. I need somebody else there. You can make that call yourself and you can go and help that person that team that group windows then fan, right? They'll WTF become a member of that group and go and do that task with them and that's part of being just completely dynamic because those we know scenes extremely Dynamic. Yeah, everything's changing all the time. If you are constantly focused on one thing you're going to miss so much more the officers are now because of the way we've got the team sir. They're way more detached than they used to be and it helps because you know, they've got that extra. I they see things that we don't necessarily see. Certainly more detached and what they're actually more into the game, but they're very able to take a step back because it before we change it out. They're really they're almost do - like they weren't in the game like they were standing on for quickly because he loved the old old coin just the old old calf was like, yeah. I just want for our offices on each corner of the building which is kind of weird because then whenever we push in some of there's no there's nobody around so it would just be the senior guys job to take over and be like, oh, So we're doing now. So basically you get a senior guy essentially become an officer, but it was a kind of a weird thing because now the Manpower is going to shoot up because I get another guy who's sort of in command, but he's not really new man. He's suddenly in command because he's inside the interior. So then he would come out and then really the information of the officer who would relate the I see so now it's like now we've changed it. It's not the officer he comes in but he still has to keep Detachment his cousin take them back and look around. Yeah, he and there but we definitely Yeah, we make sure they're like when we first brought it up in our in our meetings we said hey, you know, we want doctors struggling more and all the officers like yeah, you know that all of us want to still be firefighter who's going to be in that game, but then when I go no, we don't mean you get to grab nozzle when you see you get to go in but you're you're still being detached and third person in got a finger watch over them. Well, that's that's again where the dichotomy comes in right like if You're concentrating too much on one thing then you can do that to the worst extreme. Right? So again, if you're you're trying to help people for example in a situation where you're watching some guys your captain you're watching some guys do a job. And again instead of just giving slight Direction. You start taking over that job. And if you start taking over now, you start you start losing because now you're trying to dictate to people that know their job. There's a whole bunch of things that are going on in this situation. You start losing the respect from them because now you're telling them what to do on their on their position, right it there's a whole game you gotta play there and that's where we were from the way leadership capital and things like that too. Right? Like I try not to tell like they make sure yeah, I'll be like, hey, let me try doing this kind of work better for you. Oh my tried eyes, sometimes it's some of this a try to say this might work better for you if you like what you're doing when you're even into half. You are nothing before you put on the holes before you turn it on. Otherwise, he's going to shoot note that sort of stuff try to remind them as a training officer outside like in front of like me. I know where they be trained but is not stuff. We train them like there's you know, obviously going through the list of stuff just become a basic interior firefighter was like 30-something things, you know, just basic and that is something like auto wax and medical and water rescue and all this other stuff. If we do because each one of those has 20 things attached to it. This is just basic interior attack firefighter. So guys, you know for yourself but this kind of a golf tee job is to because of attachment making look over be like but a person missing something important is missing something important that businesses are not that important. I'll let it slide because I don't need to micromanage, but we can move them. I'm going to certain things like we can with slide. We don't always Quite do that exactly the way we train it but it works. Yeah, I think yeah this past year has been clicked The Learning Experience for sure and I always find myself. I could be outspoken in a group when we're at training. I want to call them vocal to the people. I need to be local to but I find myself more times than not not having to say anything. It's more of that. That you know, you're there as that detach that eyes where your back a bit I found on that last call. I did exactly that. I popped in quick. I was like, hey, why don't we try to do in this quick? Boom? They did it. They were great. But after a couple of the larger calls, I've gone gone home and we kind of get in your head a bit and I can't lie. Try to sound like try been more vocal team. Should I done this right on that then it comes right back around where you say? Well, I didn't have to so why would you the guys know what they're doing? And that's the other good side of him being on the training side is you see what they're capable of knowing that seeing that happen knowing what we're expected to do and seeing the guys do it. You don't need to go in there and say anything like Scott says maybe there is a time where a small thing gets missed right? Like we that small we'll call that we had the guys. One of the sliding doors and there's a little bit of glass left and they can walk past it a thousand times. It wasn't going to hurt anybody, but maybe I can so I go get em. Hey, why don't we grab the rest of that glasses make sure and then they didn't mean it was fine for the rest of the call, but you don't need to be over top of there. They're all over town facility. You'll need to be right in their ear poke him drop drop a little comment and now is the biggest learning thing that I mean, I still go. Through every games. How much do you need to say? How much do you not need to say and more times not especially with our guys and girls when we say anything because they have it all for the most part figured out we work well together as that larger team work for the and that's where the nose too. And this is why it's so important again that everybody's at training because the big portion of it comes down to if you were training you get to see what other people all are good at and what their capabilities are. So again, when it comes to that that decision making process of what you're doing. Hey, you know what? I know. This goes not fully confident on the tools for for forced entry. I am he can be my second right? I will grab the irons off of him and I'll crack on and he can be my second we can figure out right together. We'll be able to do that. And then like we were talking about last week being able to make those decisions of okay. Is this the right parent am I going to know? Put myself in a position with say somebody is half my size. So if I end up causing the situation I end up going down for whatever reason is that half-size person going to be able to help me is that half-size person going to be able to pour me a great? Probably not so making those sorts of decisions as well and knowing okay sweetheart. Hey, Jason can pull any muscles. We do you want from Dane to back up Earl? Oh, right, like dance great great shape, but he's just eight smaller in stature. Fella and Earls just the bado farm boy who went out muscle ask me. He would like out diesel engine that's going back to one of our earlier. I mean, the guy said Fargo and we'll hike for He's out how hard time now then where's the side by side just keeps tracks right on so we we hunted deer around here. So remove simple prioritize and execute and the centralized command. So those four things if you are constantly running through those four things every time in your brain and making those your your priorities when you're on any scene or The job it work wherever those things will help you and they will help your team dramatically dramatically change the principles there there have become the principles that we use or Scott is now kind of ingrained in us and all of us do it. We don't a lot of people don't even know what these four things are. Yeah. I have no idea but because of the way that you view adapted them initially their scope and then brought that into training there. Time for you to know because again if they start preaching to people people to shut off some people and some people like at school. Yeah, I've been something we like so right off and seeds. Hey Ozzie plan. I love it's one in the time like a decentralized command was a Hard one because again everyone thought right away. Oh, it's pretty nice me at least freelancing Cowboys out running around that's you can you will get like, you know, just a bit road test tube area. Well other departments might look at this is the word multiple calls covers anything cause that was all right my exact sound be called colors. I was for a while. So I went as well. I don't mess with him. So the Cowboys but I don't know. I don't know and then they join us for joining us for our seminar and learn from us that sort of stuff. But I think if they were here they train with us all the time. They would realize we're not at was it just looks like being aggressive like we're super aggressive. We were we followed these rules. And to the outside people looking in there like now because we're crazy. Well another day another Joker Jamie, but the whole default aggressive that would be photographed. We are going straight at the gate. It's we're going to hit this extremely hard extremely fast with everything we've got and if we realize that that doesn't work and then we need to go on the defense. But first we are going to we're going to go in there last year the we had a wildfire. I'm not the bird dog. Radio the chief isn't how you guys are aggressive. We had trucks everywhere. We're running hose up in the hills and hitting the thing with everything we had and the guys like usually super aggressive. We weren't being unsafe. Nope. I think we lost a couple examples, but that was not a nice man to man defense use mean aggressive he's being aggressive and the only reason why we actually lost and I was just because We have a lot of because the bar was coming. So it's like we're not blow. I think we would have hit the line them. All right anyways, because we were we had the hose laid when we decide to pull out because that we wanted to get tired housing California mixed with whatever else so yeah, we we do have a default aggressive attitude now and that is a newer class. Ten years of him just a couple of weeks ago. He'll Chiefs ago. We were definitely more surrounded around. Let's go take it very slow. And then we have the chief before Bob. He was super aggressive which was getting you that got us into that kind of make us all working together was that was a really aggressive my God this all started and then log carried on with it. Just a little different leadership style. Yeah, I mean we have problems for 52, right and when he was on he was saying again right there. He's like the training has been the biggest change and the biggest thing he's enjoyed about how things are done. They you know, we are volunteers but we are not amateurs was his quote and we're professionals through and through that's not the courts of that episode that ever really Shawn. There was someone there Bob no, no, Scott. Oh, I don't know. Because your Chief is so unbelievably supportive. He understands what's going on and he allows these things to happen, but still keeps control like he just he supports his guys and that's what he does. He he knows his right eye. Like he said when he sat there, you know, sometimes I roll up on scene and I take the safety officer position. I don't need to because my guys are going to go and do the job. They're going to get that thing done because they all they're all trained. Well, they're all reactive and they're all smart guy so they can figure it out. And then sometimes you need to step in and take over. Maybe it's a bigger situation. Maybe something else is going on, but it's very rare that he ever does that anymore because again, we've got officers now that are taking control of that extra layer and Bob can then step back deal with all of the other pieces that make in the phone calls and getting power shut off and you know positioning and things like that and the other important stuff everything is important and this is again when we go back there are so many roles. On the fire ground that you should never be stood there with your hands in your pockets doing nothing. There's always something you can be doing. There are times when you need to take a break for sure, but otherwise, there's always a job. There's always a job. Do we have anything left to that voice? Let's go home. That's good. That's good. That's all we got. Yeah, so shout out to you Keith Miller. 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The barbel is a Brotherhood got any radio told you. Wow, I was the most English kind of it's funny because I text it in the you know message you the other day and it just because it he got in my head and I'm doing the big morning. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, listen to him today to go back and listen to you. Some of their first episodes would like the full song He's on a jingle and it's great. We were actually chatting back and forth and he sent me the link to the the people that produced the song and people yeah, they yeah, so I sounds like they game a couple of bullet points. So this is what we want to achieve in this sweet tune guys again, Yes, I guess you should be kind of cool. I just Jam. Yeah. Yeah, and so I Brotherhood kind of radio from the states. They are out east varies. This hasn't been a harbor they are from I got em, listen to me, but now the favorite of the harbor a nuclear submarine Park in there's a pool. Like the sub gums and the guys in there when they're dried off they are using this into their current. I I always listened before our episode just their intro because sometimes to make wisecracks at us, but I listened to their episode tomorrow morning. So I will I will get all of that by by days of each other. It's like jannetty did I was great. We don't drink Labatt Blue. Oh, yeah Moulson most of what do they call it? Molson multi-pulse enroll them most Yeah, they also talked about fire and subtract those guys out. So, you know, we're I was a making fun of it, but we're having a laugh at every week what they've been soaking these while they were playing. Yeah this they were talking again about us doing a crossover and getting us on there and them on here. We should look at some. Yeah, he said much in time just before this too late. We were talking about how we could set up same believe they reported Saturday. So that would probably be the day for us to everybody sooner so we can make something work. There are work three hours. Off from them. So like right now they're smash faster sleeping which is where we should be but we're in the closet. So yeah, so that's great moving on stop the bleed. So you've kind of brought that into our shoutouts and it's more of just to spread the awareness of it. Check them out at bleeding control dot-org I think so, I mean, I promise I'm talking about because I still haven't taken it. Yeah, he's because he was teaching last night. Oh, yeah, he's like you should be with us. Everyone's hands may be mine. Things you buy whatever it'll rain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, stop the bleed. We've actually put it into our ties were talking right now. We put it into our curriculum large ring because I felt it was an obviously important as we bring up and really can trust on to putting in our training would be counterproductive. Yeah, we're trying to achieve and then the guy said training last week good reactions from an amazing job like it they all felt agrella the relevance of it we Had a couple of good discussions on like a computer stuff because they had something please not fall for that. It's you know accidents, you know, we're on the fire ground were running chainsaw and were doing all sorts of things that are potentially dangerous for wounds lot of hunters. A lot of guys are like, oh, I think my by a tourniquet now we go ahead and for quite some time. There's been times of near misses having them cut up a deer or your your shipping kinds of things I got Where you're in the woods if you especially I showed him a short video with a person getting shot in the leg and bleed out within two minutes under two minutes because right now yeah. That is the thing. It happened pretty easy human body's pretty easy easy easy to mess with so I'm just squishy bag for superdelegate. I mean as tough as we want to act was super delicate when metal and stuff is even expired quite easily. So yeah, you want to keep this stuff blows up all that inside. Yeah. I always ask it was I do this little demo where it don't take long around you saw talk about how much blender is in the in my and I always ask guys like everybody thinks. Him like I forgot one of the guys I'm not like 20 meters. No, there's not 20 years really like I was only like 6 or fall six of your big guy five years small person in fourth or half of you really small. But yeah so we can make is I have, you know, a couple liters of blood as I showed them my happen like with a goatee stages are see that most important to her aren't the first to and we should we should do that. Nobody hurt. We have to do that before dark. When I do this last week. It was said here doctor again, but yes, probably Morton and fiber. Yeah. And again, if you can please in order to help support us a little bit. 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And yeah, and what is doesn't it doesn't help you just unified lights. Oh my God. What did the same when I when I shared like when I share for the Joker's episodes. It's a really good episode number three. I think this is the episode. We're always talking about it talks about, you know, the dichotomy and it talks about all the different pieces that we always kind of again. We don't talk about direct. This is the first time we've ever really specifically spoken about from the book, but all of it really it all comes Off the back of this the way that the way that we do things and regardless it. I tried posting that episode up and I was like if you're if you're a leader or you're trying to get in leadership, it's the perfect episode for you. How did nematodes I think for people maybe like the back to the quote is when you look on you when you know the way broadly you'll see you in all things. And when you see these things you will you will see them all things and that's when you know, I know It along Taco is that quote it also Roman says a lot of programs. Well, it was armed. Yeah, and they talk about L offered you two aspects to have stuff to write like there's a lot of yeah important gentleman good like real good Josh Carl. Thanks guys. Let's go. There's still
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