Mana deprived.com is proud to present top 8 magic podcast with Michael J Flores and Brian David Marshall brought to your ears. Thanks to face-to-face games.com. Everybody Run David Marshall here with three martial arts the magic together and Hall of Famer and that means it's time for another episode of top eight magic and is we're going to take the temperature of standard. What is the temperature right now post Bannings a week before the Mythic Champion. If you can't stand the heat, you might want to keep your cats out of the kitchen. What is the correct temperature to cook? It's it is Thanksgiving Eve. So, you know people want to know whether or not you should I took off here kittens or brine them or stuff that I think not stopped but not stuffed. I think the key is getting the cat into the oven. They're gonna fight you. I just had to get my cat to the vet yesterday and that was almost impossible. So I have no idea how people are just getting the these cats to go in the oven time and time again in standard right now the cat comes back the very next day. It has nine lives. Yeah, it's so so so the cat deck so Charlie I when we were Were last time I did a podcast I did the podcast with Mike and he and I were talking about what cards we thought would be banned and I thought there might be some more cards. I thought Miss I might get thrown onto that list. But I also thought it was possible that which is oven would get bad and not necessarily because of like insane power level, but just because it's such a drain on tournament resources, right? It's such a mechanical deck and Arena clips and it Clicks. Yes, so I think there's two distinct types of cat Decks that we should be talking about. Okay, here's the cat texted play Green for trail of crumbs and Golden Goose and the cat Decks that just use black sacrifice style engines and happen if they which is a shock Rock Tour sacrifice. So the the straight black and red block deck which is proven to be just not good enough right now, right? I think they're fine. I think that you have to do a few collects, but fundamentally people going to die. Creature is going to die. You're playing reasonable magic. I think those decks being decent Dex is mostly good for the game. It's annoying that you get to brick wall giant permanence this cheaply but lots of messed up magic cards running around. This could be one of them. It's fine. The trail of crumbs stuff is unacceptable. So like everyone else I had my opinion about what should happen, right? I messaged somebody who could reach the right people and I said I like you know, you have to be a no-go. Obviously you you're Banning Veil. We all know your wedding veil and I'm supportive. I think I've been Golden Goose, right? And what's my time this I called supererogatory? Like I wanted to see it gone but I understood if you couldn't get rid of four cards at once on agree. Yeah, right, but I felt like the lagoons had to go because it looked like sacrifice was the best strategy already. It's miserable for operations. And yes leaving cocoa makes it worse, but it's kind of scary does next didn't run Once Upon a Time necessarily because Trail Comes in Once Upon Time don't mix very well, right so so so that what looks like the sort of timeline of this deck right? Because I know when you were preparing the championship Sam had some version of the DAC send out a precursor to the NASDAQ in the sense that he didn't have Nev, but he had favored wishes fires, right? So he had this monstrosity that he was working on with the clearest a monstrosity that he was doing well with but then he sat down he said well, I'm going to play some matches and see if I can actually finish rounds and its conclusion was I'm not sure I can I don't have enough rats in person in time time is running out and he ended up on calves and then when his draft on day two went and we battling his record was me up. He drops we could play the deck of the gravel free immediately got featured immediately played around that went to time and he wanted extra turns against red blue. So it was entirely his fault. Another guitar player was playing slowly right? His opponent was playing fine. He Fine fine just the operations were just so torturous you you just use up more chance, right? It was nobody's fault at all, right? Yeah. No timeouts are a thing now. I want to match 33 seconds to zero. So when you say fires off a wishes it might not be entirely clear to people that this deck also had all the sacrifice element we had a leak at right also Co plus may have devil plus trail of crumbs plus cat oven just just why not just do all of the stupid things in the same back right and now at that at that event at the Mythic Championship the salt I cat decks were kind of the best performing decks or the or the most surprising Performing decks. It was in a standard. It did outstandingly. Well small sample size always a problem. Sure. I'm going to surprise always a thing, but it looks like they had what it takes to answer or go Nessa, right? And we're just generally strong overall. And in the new world, they are the Public Enemy just guy had its day is still a very good deck. I think it's still the best deck for the ladder. Sure. The game is go three times as fast and you would Most of them but if you're trying to win a major tournament like I'm C7. It's just cats are the main thing you should be worried about right now. But as is the problem with cats cats out of the bag, so it is there is that is that give people an opportunity? Is this a combatable - I mean, obviously I know you've been watching croakies I think is yes and you said he's got origin got there first with the mostest and that guy takes his game. Seriously. I just watched him arms. I am assembling his sideboard his main deck getting the ins and outs doing all the details. He thinks about the game the way top players think about the game like, you know, remind me of my toxic Bob Meyer back in the day. Just this guy is the real deal. Okay, like you only one playing for a year. It's ridiculously impressive how far he's come. He's been on this deck playing non-stop at the top of the ladder for a month in various guises for various colors. So now he's at green black because there's not a really a compelling reason to be salty without a co-write. Yeah. I think he's so if he has one weakness, it's arrogance. It's just you know overstatement you have this kind of just taking everything a bit too far, but knowing how to actually act like not taking himself too. Seriously when he does that So it's mostly fine. He's acting so the problem. Is that like what did the other colors give you right red gives you ma'am double. Hope Mandela's it dies. Look at Wolf kills it murderous Rider kills. It kind of leaves a war kills it and it actually stays dead and didn't take anything with it and what you got sacrificed figures right away. So even though it may have devil that lives dominates the board. It's not that great and the pain actually matters corvo. Dies even more right because Grove all you paid five for few casualties of War core Vault. They better gotten a bunch of value from it right away. If you murderous writer at same problem you're paying five for this thing, but that's just not how you dominate a mirror game. So it's just not a worrisome thing. It doesn't solve your problems in the same way like the version that I play upright don't even run core Vault. Maybe they might want one but I don't I don't like the card very much. The White Version he popularized it briefly for furio absolution and it's inside board cards. But as we realize that casualties of war was the best sex trap. It turns out that throughout solution just gets killed itself. So what's the point where you just giving your opponent more value for their mother? Yeah. There's always that problem of like well, do I want to come across like the thing that makes me think that You know, what juice has to be banned? Is the thing where they have attacked Paradise Droid and they have a gilded goose and you have a wicked wolf and you're not sure what to kill. So I've already gotten their value from their one drop their to drop which they have deliberately had to unprotect is sitting vulnerable and you're like probably the one drive anyway. Right, if you're still if you're still killing it at that stage, then think something has gone terribly wrong in the format like yet to quote croakies from this morning the best use of a Wicked Wolf in the mirrors to kill the Golden Goose. So you can kill basically any creature in the format except that other Wicked Wolf and the one-drop you want Dad. That's so funny. Also Wicked Wolf is a card which feels like it's just really. Falling off a cliff a little bit right like is Wicked Wolf still everything. It was like going into the going into the pro tour going into the last Mythic. It feels like it's just less relevant or maybe just back to sideboards. We no longer there's so many cats, right and the problem is Wolf kills kills cat, but nothing it doesn't matter. Can I still alive and Wicked Wolf blocked by cat and Cat already blocked Something Wicked Wolf was blocking and there's no Planeswalker to defend. There's no Planeswalker to kill so we could walk the comes in Antigua card rather than just a generally great card, right? I think people were still sleeping are looking for right now. Okay, I think that people play way too few Wicked wolves. I had four copies in basically all of my Normal builds of cat, like if you're not doing a serious second something that just precludes playing Wicked Wolf. I would run for copies at least three copies. I think the junk my junk build for example has for Wicked wolves. Most versions have one. I can see three right? I can't see one that car is just too good. It just beats people. How many did cookies register for Mythic Championship seven looks like three. Okay after mocking his chat relentlessly for wind to cut one. We could well Phil zimbardo. He almost registered three casualties of war and he was mocking the chat relentlessly for he's Run Like The Forecastle he is he is really the champion for four casualties of War right? Like that's yes been like his big campaign through the glass couple for a while. He almost ended up running three if you watch the video, you'll see the three for a while that goes back to being for and I didn't understand because I'm like, I just want to say 650 of visit right now, like he will talk about this deck for sure. Yeah, not that seriously, but you know still love find out so I was pretty surprised to see him flirt with cutting one that seriously it also I've learned, you know, when you're endlessly mock your chat for doing something. It means you're probably like some look is it again? Yeah, let me subtract their you so you strap. And for the twitch Rivals event you had 600 on day one you ran into a mirror day to and kind of yeah, I did a little Unser ammonius. Like I had an ear day one we which I got the right things in one easily and then there was a mere day to where I had were consistent built than my opponent. I didn't like they were playing in interact more interaction version. I was playing I find your fires version. Citing somewhat moderate Edge in the mirror, but it's still going to be 75 25. Whoever wins the the die roll. They won the die roll. All three games were the person who won one because they went first and almost nothing would have mattered right? Like I won game two that way then then they came back and won game 3 that way but the quest the question I actually asked you so yeah. I mean you've pretty much done everything in terms of being a content creator any like, you know you You've done you're one of the first writers From a Jack you you know, you've been on camera doing deck tax you but what's the experience like for you? Someone who's been with magic since the mid-90s? What's the experience been like screaming magic? Like well, how did you find that experience? I love streaming as a action like the actual Act of being in front of the computer chatting with people watching slaying Magic. That was great explaining my stuff. If anything. I just wish I'd had more people who were engaged with the Strategic that detail of what was going on during Rivals. You can't because there's a delay, right? So essentially like you and also with the serious tournament so you should be cheating interact with your with your stream in that way during I did some other streams after that and if anything I wish more people had been trying to up the punch counter, right? At one point says I said guy said no he had to be fall on the board. Oh no, and I'm like well if this watching my stream and then it's like oh, yeah, it's it goes right because of course if this right we would decide anything and like I even got raided by skradski. So I briefly had a few hundred people cool watching. Unfortunately very few of them talked about like detail. And one thing I love about read stream is that a lot of his viewers have been trained to talk about like little detail. Owens and really engages really. With that content at a very deep level and so you learn a lot about like just the detailed operations of how to play a game. Interesting. So this is and this is that like your what how do you see your relationship to streaming going forward? Is this something you'll do periodically something you're going to do regularly. So the problem with streaming is there's a lot of fixed costs and a lot of increasing marginal benefit. So thanks to my new s of Eternal Fame in hopefully multiple senses for helping me set up the stream, you know reasonable spot and have a good Microphone I have the overlay so it looks Audrina but there's still a lot of things to do. Right MPG bot isn't setup properly isn't set up yet. The bottom of my screen. My screen is somehow a strange aspect ratio. So getting it to project quite the entire screen is actually a struggle. Okay, a lot of little other things have to be done to get it exactly right, you know personalizing a bunch of stuff. There's still a lot of logistical stuff to get through and also every time you sure you pick up followers every time you string to make people more inclined to look for your street every time you stream you develop with a community in the base. And so if I were to stream for 40 hours, maybe even 50 60 hours a week. I'm confident I could develop a strong Channel, but I have a job right so I can't do that. So we're talking about you. Maybe I can do something like Tuesday and Thursday mornings for about 8:30 to The problem is know how many people will like bring in how will that go? And even then that's a pretty big hit to have to do a regular schedule. Right? Like so far. I've done things. I've enjoyed right and it helps that I have been the innovator for just guy and then built two Decks that collectively everybody agrees or fun as hell. Well, let's talk let's talk about those. So if you're if you're looking for something crazy to do and maybe looking to burn a couple of mythix on chords you You don't have on Arena talk to me about your your cat stack and your Fire stack and by that. I mean your cat's Liars deck I have asked. Yes, so, oh, I'm sorry your cat's fires div deck. Yes that deck. So I'm hanging around the office and I'm thinking about various things. But this is the second out of writing is the is the thing as it came out of a bunch of places came out of Sam's original four core build. It came out of Yo many other cat builds including the embryo sac, but it also came out of my writing. I have an article that I'm writing that's already. More than double sized about cats and it's just sort of a my fires style ironic. I know just card by card here all the cards. You could put into a cat deck that makes sense. Here's the advantage advantages and then like, let's see how they go all together and doing that we talk about the Mana I realize So if you're playing make him devil, you're playing favorite Passage. Fine thing about passage you find Paradise Druid kill the goose then one land buys you 13 sources of any coveted color. Jeez. So if I wanted to splash of color. It's fine. Right definitely do that. So, for example, if you're a lab solution, if you decide that's a good card that's pretty easy to get into your deck off of one planes, right that would be fine because you never really wanted double activate it. You never the 8 Mana. It doesn't matter where just want a single activate It's usually the one plants, right? But you know what else we could do because like I was think there's nothing is like sort of the cookies theory that I've understood now is casualties of war is the best spell for the mirror and it's we're getting this guy obviously, could you kill their best creature which cost five and you killed their fires and the kill the Spyglass label Spyglass and knock them back their Castle or their color and then just generally much they're just dead. They don't recover any second fires and then even then it's like tricky you've equal them on tempo. the turn and so I just want to cast this card more often. And more reliably more than more often, right because like rookies considers on Once and Future to sort of get back there casualties of War. There's have to play more casualties of War but I want to find comes into my daughter have one more than I want to like pay much of managed to get it back six and then for that sexy little bit like I like the cut of this guy's jib. Let me tell you how this I'm all about. That's what I'm all about getting cards back and using them again for like just extra salt rubbing, you know, literally I really Are the amount of I'm going to figure out what I need to do to win these matches. I'm just going to do it whatever it takes that he employs two, very different approach than my general approach but it definitely has led to a lot of really cool Innovations and some very good results. I tend to be much more of the what can I do? Let's see what I can do approach and then later. Okay. That's what I'm doing. What are my problems? How do I tune that to solve my problems? Our words and that definite with the NIV deck came from a combination of those two. So it was just well if permanence just died and the only permit doesn't die is Wicked Wolf but it can't attack through a cat. So, why do we even bother then? We just want to find more casualties of War plate parameters to provide immediate value that helps dominate the game. And it feeds into the CAT engine cause like I've been for a while I 24 lands can use your 2524 automatically three cats four ovens for trail for goose. What's the other half of the stack? And so I was thinking what if it sniff. So it's like okay. It's new and casualties of war and I did a search of like every card that is guess this isn't the / umm is it this is a different Native if people that are thinking maybe this, you know, this is I can't I can't so this is work right now. So I want to keep ahead on Temple right in behind our Temple, right? I want to play a six flyer and find my casualties 6 pliers a great stat. Because it at least trades with every creature in Jess guy. And it actually blocks five five is very well, and they have 6 V 5S. And for four fours, so 6 is where it's at and it finds you casualties of War. So like why Bronte it on you just go get a casualties of War right? So I didn't thought to myself. Okay casting this little shaky. Oh, yeah, I can just play fires. But the deck had so much power in it. Let us play these fires and I think those Three Fires is fine. And LSB actually heading on Three Fires an unusual number of fires to see but the philosophy was and said instead of cutting the forest fires from his goals as well. The philosophy of fires. Yes. Yeah, the philosophy is this is a duck that existed without fires and then added fires to it when I realize I can cast it and it works right because it's the whole like I'm just gonna and then I can be controlled from the Golden Goose and then casting spells right is the philosophy of what I'm gonna do and now it's all going to fix my car in a meaningful way because I can't necessarily cast in visit off of five Mana. Or alternatively. I'm going to cast a new visit find the other card we cast the other card immediately, right? Even huh gasping dibs, like on turn four with a goose or a paradise Druid. I already played the fires and now I can double cast and the next thing I do having like, you know, another casualties of War another did visit. Yeah, it's all the same. Yeah. I don't fully chained nibs in that - yes, like you don't love the Russian role, but you don't care right attack of 600 right? He's put another one. Okay, that makes sense. See I just I built this deck kind of out of whole cloth on the main deck is changed zero cards. Like I looked for other side. Maybe you still have the Ethereal. Absolutely. Yeah, the him devil is great because like obviously if he's the engine you can play it off of the fires immediately when you put the fires and it's red black so it gives you a separate so you have four red wax and for green blocks. And if you off solution provides you additional top end of a different color pair defined with your nibs, but the key is everyone who's built the visit reborn decks before has felt the need to try and get like four cards off of this thing. Right right to try and like half my deck is just all different to car repairs. You don't need to do that, right? Because you have six flyer, right we paid for it. If you've built a deck that can get Niven to play and you don't know the rate is great. Right? It's a 6 6 wire 4 5. That's your already. It's fine. Right? It's fine that can trips. Yes. And so the key is don't just find a bunch of cards find the cards that you still need to actually win a game where you resolve the NIV. So if you go near the into casualties of War It becomes very hard to lose a game that you would have won. If you just had more spells you can lose games. Don't get me wrong as lose games, but having a bunch of extra random spells in your hand wouldn't have saved you in those games right now. The game will be played ever clean when you're dead. So I've played I played the stack a bunch on Arena and here so here are my experiences with the stack. You have some really good matchups and you don't get to play those matchups because you do one half of your deck. one third of your deck and your opponent concedes right you go you demonstrate that you have Goose trail of crumbs going and your opponent like I don't want to play Magic anymore or God forbid gift to Trails, you know, then you face someone and you play fires and you play something off of fires and then they concede or sometimes you just show them a cat and an oven and they could see the games where people don't concede are the ones where I'm like I win the fewest obviously, obviously you have a hundred percent win rate when they can see but I mean where people are just like, oh, okay. I'm playing like I've lost a bunch to this like mono blue or nearly mono blue flashes black. Yeah, it does. It does flashback. I think sometimes I've seen some thought erasers but like basically Aventuras cargo lock I think isn't that that yeah. Yeah and they have yes, they do a great. They've got a lock same like eight hard counters and they can once they figure out what's going on. They can wait on a real card and it's a solid T-Rex you - yeah. I kind of want to try and build a version of that. That doesn't suck. I I had the same thought yeah. Yeah. I'm very interested to see what that would look like. If I mean, I've got two very wacky decks recently. And I think the next thing to do is just sort of try and rescue some strategies that you know aren't necessary up to Snuff and making the best they can be probably if I was gonna do more screaming. What's the other what's the other wacky deck memories every restaurant. I don't know if you can see that. So this is another we have 250 rhetorical. Yes. Here we have the 24 and so straw ski inspired this one. Okay, which then inspires Frosty to improve his deck. He calls pile number one is the original plan which needs a better name, but also doesn't yeah because that means kind of cool. I like that name. So this point it's like pile number seven or something. But yeah revisions don't count right? Yeah, so What I saw out of straw ski was an emery in play. And adventurous gargoyle. Absolutely. And so I just reminded that every is a magic card. It's like okay. There's a magic card. And then I realize I messed up Magic card very much. So I mean modern players know this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean this is this is a card that has made its impact felt on constructed magic already. We just haven't seen much of it in standard right because in standard the artifacts are few and far between Or should I say the artifact cards are few and far between the artifacts are everywhere because food is really hard. Yes, so I realized wait a minute every just cost you I've got food and I've got ovens. So can I find some more artifacts to make this work? So the great hedge is obvious, right? So you have the great hands and then I remembered right Ventures gargoyle. So this is already like, you know, two great tastes that taste great together. So you've got your Ventures gargoyles. And of course, you've got your Lovestruck piece because I've been playing it up in the great hand earlier trying to make it work with the the Grazer Once Upon a Time engine. Just power it out. So I know how this works. You've got Lovestruck these vendors. Gargoyle. You've got eight ways on turned forward to just drop the hammer on a form an a grade hinge. And so now you've got three great hinges. It's legendaries. You don't really want to risk it, right. It causes the you to not be able to actually go off when you cast it if you play for right too often, so three great hinges for which is Ivan's for ventures gargoyles. That's 11 artifacts. They're all cheap right in context, right? Is that enough for Emery when you got throw a condom Goose giving you these artifacts early? So it cost one or two Mana. The answer was yes. It's really good enough to take this quite good. I considered flying golden egg with stress key does use right just to have an additional like way to turn Emery into like we extra cards we extra food we but I Why is that? Spending Mana for cards is not really that X-Men problem. And and there's actually the reason it's good enough is because there aren't 11 hits with every with every there are 14. You'd hit a cat. Oh. Because so what if you can't cast it, right you put it near a hard, right? And so every get you four cards closer to cat oven regardless of how many of those were milk, right? The best of the best Mill is a cat in an oven right? You'll be the fourth cat basically anywhere but like tumor Iraq or pure aggro decks for you want to actually use two ovens two blocks of ice sure. So you generally run three cats is the connection that I've adopted unless you are using like these two forgotten gods or some other like pure engine where you just You know all cats welcome here. You know, I just like turn into an old cat player. Yeah. Yeah cats will eat you die Dad. Yes. Be careful about how to catch you have so you don't the old cat man. This is not good so might already be old cat man. Well, hey, hey watch out for that never too late to change. So so once we have the great henge and Ventress cargo and Emory, I realized okay the man has Not great. But when we do this black, it's important. What if we just lost all the black cards except for cat. We have three cats we can get sport that off and Penguins and nothing Mouse plus Gilly goose. Another meta curve that is much lower because we've got every which cost effectively one man. Uh, like maybe one point three mana and you've got to Menna you got vectors cargo, which is a great to trap just get your game going and yeah, it doesn't do anything on turn to necessarily because you're being attacked it does if you're not being attacked, it's just eating my future it's fine. So your curve lowers or 24 land is pretty solidly the paradise Druids to fill out your to slot you can more action. And then your high-end finishes off with feasting troll King. You have more cards. You can Mill with your Emery. And just more things to combine with and all the great henge to Metta why we're spending this is this deck is much more up my alley than the NIV Dax. I don't remember playing this. I remember telling you should check it out. Ya this is exactly what I want to be doing with my magic. Yes, and I never heard you wanted to get I got distracted by knew. It was like a week before I posted this. Yeah. I was too busy trying to grow a beard. It wasn't it wasn't successful. Yeah, so which of these decks do you like better? Like if you were Woody? How about this if you were going to the Mythic Championship seven, would you play either of these decks in the tournament? Let's be honest. No, okay, because When you're in a mirror matchup in particular. The cards that you're doing with secondary engine make you have more velocity but like are not going to be as impactful as someone who's running casualties of war and ways to break your thing up and in general try to deploy more power to the board only matters if it's enough. I just kind of not enough. Okay, so I can't plan right and I tried nerve. And the bottom line unfortunately for NIV is that the deck is just not quite consistent enough. Right. So NIV Can't quite reliably do its thin if you face a deck that's not cats and not calves. Then you have some serious problems with the blind spot. They've introduced by diverting all of these slots the secondary engine and you have to use your sideboard to kind of get your integral package back. So the design of the board was Where you're being attacked on a different Vector where this - doesn't matter you take out your high-end you bring in your low end and either you bring in duress plus some low end or you just bring it a bunch of defensive low end and it gets you back to a reasonable place but not as good a place as you'd be if your men it was better in your deck was somewhat better. So I don't think it's quite they're also just they're not just developed as they need to be and the decklist deadline is now wish yes. I think I think it's today macaques was really changing his deck like an hour ago. So it's clearly not yesterday. Now the decklist are going to be posted next Wednesday, right? Don't get Wednesday afternoon Wednesday afternoon leading into the Mythic Championship, which is the following week that weekend and we're going to we're going to do a preview show again. Going to go through all the time. Yeah, I'm we did. I'm actually happy unaffectionate. We're not going to get them tomorrow just because you know, I talked about burnout recently. Yeah, it's been three MCS just in a row. Yeah. It's been a brutal right if it's the format changes dramatically, you're playing the standard format. That's really grind e that's really like about these complicated long mirrors that are hard to get a handle on everyone streaming for a living on top of it And then you just you fro 2011 tournament, please empty all members and even the Challengers and it's so brutal. Hi everyone. So if you gave them a decklist tomorrow, they would feel the need to actually test specific matchups. Oh, okay. I was wondering where you were going with that that makes a ton of sense, right? You'd be a top eight with a week to go right just be wanting like, okay. So this is the build that Pantheon submitted. This is the bill that Guys submitted. This is the build that crack is submitted Let's test these specific match up, especially the deck. They haven't seen before and the next week. We'll just be more testing right? Whereas now there are so many players like Brett Nelson. For example, we're just like I'm so relieved to have just here's my deck. This is one of the fly. I'll get some more reps in I guess but we will just not care until Wednesday afternoon and then we will focus. But in the meantime, I'm going to take four days. I'm going to eat. A turkey I'm going to watch football. I'll watch some more football and I'm going to relax and take a little bit of a breather because there's nothing in that right if I was in MC 7. Yeah and Douglas were released. I'd be like no like it's been Thursday with the family on Friday. Yeah, I'm messaging Autumn and messaging Sam and I'm like, we played this particular set of this set of matchups from my deck or whoever my team is with this event, right? I was very happy and Anyways in great teammates, the timing was bad just because like when I wanted to play Magic and when they want to put magic just like didn't light up on the schedule. So like we have to figure that out again, if we're going to work together again plus just the structure of these tournament changes so much that like, I have no idea how many of us have been a fly or have a good team makes sense. Right? So, I don't know if I'll ever be invited to another big event, right that's worth that level of prep. I can't justify taking weeks off of my time for What are now the events I'm invited to so so what are the adventure invited you now are the Players Tour Regional events, right? And then those events then feed into the players towards final events. Yeah, so it's basically all of the work right to get ready for it. To play a qualifier for the event that you were previously playing good prizes and stuff attached Good original OneDrive. It's not bad. It's just not. It's more than a quiet morning glory. Yeah. Yeah, right TV is always terrible right the time you lose is so much more. Right? Right, like what winning that is not the same as winning the finals or winning an Old Pro Tour or right? No one's an account. That is the top finish. We've no one should write like it's not the same thing. Right? And so I can't justify the intense level of prep unless I'm the streamer the streamers then have the ability to do the prep incidentally. Right cuz their job right don't provide it's great, but it puts people like me at a big disadvantage. At least with the with Richmond like I could justify if they have us be good time. This is the this is a big event Marky I can I can devote my time come with some chance right still felt that a big disadvantage to people who could afford to just Jam Oco mirrors every day, but at least I was in it, right and they are back on it it vaguely tendentially if I can keep up, but I could be the same. So unless I get special invite to an arena qualifier and we read approach or I spiked a wildfire weekend or something happens where I suspect one of the Regionals by accident, you know, I probably won't be able to be as in Tunes. I was in Richmond and it didn't quite work out for Richmond, right? But I think that was somewhat variance. I think I deserved something closer to ten and six or nine and seven, right? I don't think I deserve the top eight. I know I think that like clearly the people who do the oakum you're inside and out where the people who deserve to win. Justice was served. Yeah, what did you did you watch any of the top eight from the championship sex? Absolutely. What what did you I mean watching it. I felt like I was watching magic being planned as much as just tastes as you had four o co and that whole package of cards at that point in time and standard the gameplay that we got to watch your wallets doesn't Anam while it's still available. If you can find it. I don't remember which day it was. We can go back and watch Strauss Keys analysis of the top of the top eight matches where he goes through his matches and he talks about each individual play on the stream. Later. Oh, yeah, that's that's that's invaluable to buy pure gold. Yeah, if you're if you're looking to get better as a magic player, that's exactly yeah, and he tells me the details don't matter anymore, obviously if the dead format, but if you want to understand how people think like you should be watching that like II I've learned a lot about cookies process this morning watching him talk about his ins and outs and figure things out in real time, and then he started to play match on my I want to swanston Street. I've got two second enough, but when I was watching you talk about your thing, I think about your thing that I wanted to say Let me let me ask you a question. Where do you have Paula like all time? Like what's your what's your I have I think it is John Connor Paolo at this point that pilot three. Yeah, but like I think Paulo has the potential you never no one's going to ever win the number of pro-choice. Ky1, right? That's just I mean not possible at this point just the nature of what those Our has changed so much II don't I don't think anyone will I think it's like, you know, back-to-back no-hitters or you know, 400 wins for a major league pitcher. I think it's just impossible for the nobody to yeah, but I mean Paulo has the opportunity. I mean he has never other than maybe like One span of like, you know, not even 12 months. I mean, it's just never caused her before she was entitled still hungry. Yeah, it was quite good. Yeah, and that's what needs to happen for him. Right? He's to be still hungry he needs to not burn out and be able to just want it. Keep wanting it for long enough. Look at some point, obviously if you know, we're talking about 25 years. And Magic is getting to its 50th anniversary and he's been playing this whole time 27 top aides. We're going to have to give it a go at some point if he keeps it up. I think he's I think he's very close to the goat. I think you know, I love John I love kayak. I have tremendous respect for them. But like the consistency with which Paulo's but excellent is unmatched in the game. Yeah, I think John if he wanted it even today but that but that's part of it, right? Oh, yeah, it doesn't count if you're not there. Right? Right. So I mean people people always talk about Bob right as being one of the greatest players of all time and the problem with Bob. It's just that Bob. Was as good as when Bob cared right Bob would show up at tournaments and go someone give me a deck. I don't mean someone tell me what list of play I mean someone physically had me cards and I'll play them because yes, I couldn't be bothered to figure out what to do and assemble them. Well, Bob is brighter naturally talented, but I don't I don't think Bob is any longer in that top three discussion because you just see that the combination of I want and dedication and Longevity and all these other factors, but I've never had the numbers that Kaiser John did so it was never going to be in that discussion. Yeah anywhere near as long as they were and I think Nassif had passed him at some point as well Andy, I think the thief is clearly ahead of Bob and Lisa at this point as well. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No, I mean those are probably your top five. I think we're seeing someone. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean again a lot of people will put some other people in the top five, but at some point the results have to match Mater and the longevity has to matter, you know, and not the potential potential isn't enough. Yeah, there's a lot of choices for who you think might be the next person. I cookies is showing me more potential to be like one of the goats than I've seen from anyone in a long time when you player it's only been a year just want to reasons why it's so good. That's that's crazy. I mean, we'll see you'll have to buckle down. He'll have to keep working hard for a long time who have to learn a lot of new aspects of the game that he doesn't know yet because they're new to him. you know, but I think the talents there. Yeah circling back to Paul is one thing. I just I was a moment at the end of the tournament that really struck me and I talked about it. I think on the good luck high-five podcast, but it's it was really kind of like a great little pivot that I saw Paulo do so at the end of the event, you know, Andre wins Paulo sort of slumps a little you know, like okay you got this, you know, they extend the hand Andres jubilant, right? His teammates come over and they're all congratulating him and Paolo who is also Andres teammate and you know, you see you see Paulo sort of pivot from like just walk away from the agony of defeat just kind of be like, oh, okay. I've lost but my teammate has one and he gets up and he kind of like circles around almost a long way. To get to Andre and by the time he gets Andre, he's just like oh my God, we won the pro tour like, oh my God, and he's hugging and there's this great. It's just this great Embrace of and it's all the human stuff all that. Expectation and enjoy for your friends and your teammates that gets kind of like tamped down over the course of a tournament, you know, because you can't go there while you're playing. Yeah, just I just thought it was a really beautiful moment. I ever never want to turn on a dime, but I've I've been very happy that I'm able to do that with like one or two days notice right? We're like, okay. Yeah, I got knocked out yesterday and these and talk my friends and talk baby. Yay, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I finished 32nd and then oh my God, it's all great and it's tough right like You're at that dinner right back. I remember back in Houston. My teammates went one two, three with three different dag. One of the great teams videos in the history of the perch are talking about Pro Tour Houston with team. Ymg right. I'm sitting there, you know, toasting and congratulating them and feeling the way happy about it, but the doc I'm I do still like I find this if 75 is Justin and I can say to you know various a bitch basically, but like that was the cognitive or that the host. Yeah, we brought back together three Of us that played it and I just you know, I think he planned it better than I did but mostly you know didn't break right for me. I'm quite make it. Yeah, it was tougher back then because you had to actually record that was that was my first direct interaction with Justin. I had known him, but I was doing coverage at that event. I was just like and He reminded me, I don't know if you've ever seen the the movie Bull Durham, but like just like he played the game with the arrogance that Bull Durham talks about like not not but just like this confidence like he knew he was going to win that tournament. It felt like the whole time. Yeah, you know, he was you know, we talked about that idea of camping things down. Justin didn't have anything tamped down that event now I was Misty I would I touch them directly with him and I was Teammate and friend for a very long time we watch times but like he still won't get. Yeah. He looked at every story. He is one this one. Yeah. Well that was that was my first that was my first real experience. Got some I remember that pretty and I get his newsletters now is a game designer. Yeah, and it's still there pretty good to Justin. He he he deserves a little bit of arrogance. So it's We're pretty good to him. So so let's Circle back to the Mythic shape to what would you be playing in distance there before? I think about that just to finish up with the Mythic sex. Yo. Yeah, I strongly agree with your point that when you watch the matches, I loved watching the coverage when I got home. Yeah. I hated playing right and that event. I dropped out in the Grand Prix. When I could have 3-toed into money because it was so small. There's like I could miss take you and still win money. Right my God, I couldn't stay for day two with two losses. I knew that but I could like when the restaurant I chose that day and then drop and then win like $200 and I was just like I don't want to play Magic anymore this format and I always say I would have still played mystery booster. I think they were out at that point or like sort of is just too late. And so I just I'm just gonna go back to the hotel room. I get my flight tomorrow, you know, I just can't anymore. How'd you so miserable playing all these matches but watching the matches when you don't have to the operations you can think about all these complex details fascinating. Yeah as a player who likes the details like strategic questions because once people have built their decks to be able to handle the mirror. Yes, some game has become snowballs, but the figuring how to make sure how to you know play for the snowball play against the snowball play for the small number of outs. You have plan on different aspects. You know, I'm trying to win this way you're trying to win that way. I have this engine you have that engine. I mean one of the things I loved about the top 8 is to rip off your phrase is I would say that there were some great snowball fights where one player would just come out to some just seemingly insurmountable lead. Early in the game and then you know pop I've Apollo was masterful multiple times where he was just in this terrible situation between some combination of Mulligan's and early starts by his opponents and just by just being as economical as possible and every single opportunity to claw his way back and then to get the snowball advantage and it was really fascinating to watch I think. Think it was some of the best for what I would consider to be a bad form at some of the best gameplay I've ever seen in the top 8 of a pro tour. Yeah, it was for that specialized audience amazing right in its own way. And I think part of that is just when you build professional level docks to Pete other professional level decks professional level players. Any effort spent on wind more? You don't need is effort wasted the decks are all built to catch up. To be efficient to fight to deal with adversity and they're not built the same way to reliably put you away from 90% to 100% because that's not as important and then when the math comes down to it, so you have these different have exactly enough high-end exactly enough push. To get you there and so they leave you this little opening, right? They they intentionally don't reliably close you out there because I'd rather stop someone else from closing them out and get more percentages that way right. So I call Rose build like for racing and racing borrower right like just have a bunch of efficient ways to just break up the best things. Right rather than ways to snowball more and then with Veil. The top cards get even worse and so the wild swings get even we're in some ways even Wilder right? You can no longer just swing a giant Haymaker at the opponent the same way, but it also means, you know, You took my network. Right, you can just get this extra. This is other also so many different ways to get advantage. And it's not obvious. Which ones beat which ones? So yeah, that was in some ways. I was sad to see that format go obviously, you know other way so much more important. If you don't like the weather, wait a week, I have Pioneer. There's been a lot of bands lately. Yeah. I did you see the video. No, so lsv tweeted a video listing all of the Bands set to Taylor Swift's. I forgot that you It was amazing. That's great. I don't know who made it. Yeah, no credit to whoever I just don't. Yeah. Yeah. So one of the big things, you know, so going into Mythic 7 now casualties of War seems to be Enemy Number One and it's a card that was just not really viable in Mythic Championship sex. I mean it just it was there. I it was people played it but it was really hard to justify in a field full of lsummers, right? Yes, basically you Almost want to board it out against the decks where it would take him a lot of things and give you a happy with because of a love summer. So people had in the board people had at their main and boarded it out. It was like this card. That's so I talked to several people who basically gave me different versions. Like right Nelson to give me versions of I have no idea what rijkaard was six drops are better. different situations different ones when the game I'm constantly seeing people when games they could not have won or saying game they couldn't stayed in because they had exactly the right one or lose because I had the wrong one, but it's in a different ones every time I have no idea, right it just totally unclear with the better ones are But now casualties of war is the King right of this x drops. Like I see people who play Jana garak. Feasting troll King has been a bunch of my goals because I couldn't support never black or I just was legitimately playing for graveyard interactions rather things, but in terms of just purely winning battles its casualties of War just got his everywhere now and characters rewards is the only sex trafficking from that actually matters. Oh, wow. Yeah, right when we asked them get them but like coyotes can get the fires and the Cavalier and actually win the game, right? And in the mirror, you hit the trail of crumbs and the which is Ivan and the castle and the creature. Yep. I've done that a few times. It's great. Yeah number of games where you know, like I think I built a better version of John before casualties of War. Because Jen gets you ma'am double but why am I not just running a good deck anyway, right? Like when I doing don't have the first game I played with Nev, I putting this attack back. They play second two different second row across put a paradise drew a it which is often a cat put a paradise dread. They sucked along the trail and play the creature. And then I put casualties of war in turn four and then I want yeah and is it is a powerful powerful Magic card. How do you fight it? Like how do you that has to be a car that's on your mind? Yes as a card. You need to either defeat or Dodge somehow like how do you manage your game against casualties of War so next election is obviously If you can do as a just by player, you do not just throw a second fires out of habit until you have enough men at your okay. If it dying including when I land of yours has been lost right? Could you know, this is a risk in the mirror. It's basically just going to suck for you do consider that like you can't just say I'll use this trail of crumbs later necessarily. Brought it onto also becoming a things you have to worry that it's going to not be around. But a lot of other decks, I think should be thinking more about well, I shouldn't be playing sorcerer Spyglass. I shouldn't be playing this random value planeswalker. Because they might just die by accident right for no value. Just collateral damage if for casualties of war is the right thing to do against you anyway without this value card. Don't do it. So if I was going to register Cavaliers right now, I would seriously consider just registering 0 spy glasses, right because it's producing Jets lat that would actually work. If you want to do that and have a utility or just put work another devout to create another custom that slide If You Were Somehow and I'm not saying you would be like if you were working on elk blade right now, you would probably cut the Royal Saiyans as a just like incidental Planeswalker that was in the deck. That was sometimes cited out some you know, what because it just might get hit by casualties. I think that that can particular would not care on the theory that my goal is to have the game over with For you get the size, right? That deck is a very aggressive deployment DAC. So I'm going to run my dumb reason my Royal Saiyans and my whatever and if you for for one me good for you. So let me let me is this is this an epic leave format like for Mythic Championship seven boy, it seems like that's the card that if that's the plan right if that works getting under casualties and like ending the game. Is there is there a deck that's reliably able to Well, you certainly can't once my time for goose and graze or anymore. Right? So you have to do something else. That doesn't work right Once Upon Time what I didn't even consider trying to survive that well, you know, yeah, I understand the question but like yeah. You do have like redundant two and three drops that you can play that you know, and but you you don't get the bear to serious and retrieve attempts this also attempt to Splash it in red blue, which I don't think is necessarily a crazy card Choice doesn't really change the decorating. Okay. So the two reasonable choices are gruel aggro. And rectus nights potentially Martin nights. Yeah, but same deck anyway, yeah, so we're not gonna even worry about it. Any Raptors is probably the better bill just cleaner. Yeah, so rector's nights. Jerry please so if you play register, then you expose you to have to getting ready to work at it. So like try to attack on the ground through cats. Through a bunch of wicked wolves and they end up was going to pick off your 1. Mm creatures just in general like you've got the new version of Oco, right? The new thing that is incredibly painful to try and get through. Maskull girl is a one-sided. Is he on a raft leaves behind a 4/4 with the game Darrow easily ends afterwards casualties kills them Burke leave. So it's actually a good card against you. It's not great. But it's fine because like a lot of the reason you put them back. We have X's they wipe your board, but you still be under Cleveland used to cook your own Berkeley to something and you win and now they actually have room for them Berkeley if they play Fronton that's a nightmare for you because a maniac Bronson on right because now like if the Bronson on out and say go and now if they play the a McQueen was like, okay kill it before. Damage is dealt. You can't do this you lose. So it's a pretty Shaky Ground to be on but the cast of power that dick like definitely is at least like to your one a fish and I think it's just not he's the kind of deck that like if you want a ladder quickly to Mythic be a reasonable choice, right, but I would not register it in the MC. I think it's week two just guy. You can build it to be somewhat more resilient. Right? But certainly just that cares enough that their issue is yes guy is having to play more to matter removal spells in order to do a shifting Sarah tops in particular which is pushing it towards Justice strike and lava coil and I think just is it pushing it away from deafening clarium? Oh no. Oh no. No in addition to I got these access to the problem being that If Jessica has access to like one or two Justice strikes to go with Bonecrusher giant to go with. You know devout decree and Aether ghost. Into its Clarion and then it has like a solar Ablaze to go if it's time way ports run closed down or something like that. It's just a nightmare matchup for deck like grass rock those nights and that's when the second most deck after some version of cats. If you group cats together, right and the cats that has cats and after girls and wicked wolves and murderous writers and natural artifact removal. It's General that luck is always seems like a kind of paper kind of a glass Cannon sure the Raptors deck powerful one, but I don't think it's quite good enough the gruel Zack. I said Martin Jews it take gruel to number one. Okay, at least briefly. And I think Martin built it correctly except for some arguments over cable package. I think Frank Carson probably yelled at him about number of sources forever cleave and he took it a little bit too much to heart. He's I guess I know from seeing his shadow reasonably often. Yeah, but so he's built is collector and Innkeeper. Oh wow, and I thought the moment I saw Innkeeper. I was like, okay that's an idea, but you can't compel collector. What are you insane? And then nobody? Quite make the numbers work and the he just did the obvious and I was like, yes, of course, that's the right built. I was 24 and for all for us. So your ones are the two the two one ones your to drop to Paradise Road remark night. Your three drops are the eight Adventure creatures Bone Crusher diet and Lovestruck these plus girl spell Riker. Questing beast and Berkeley's and that's your duck. That's it. I am haste or I've Adventure or I am dancer and that's it. Right, you know and some And so it's a very very clean very aggro deck that like poses problems for people. and are you surprised that wasn't within like two cards of the right Bill? Like maybe you want some ambushes or something somewhere or whatever and then you can board chilled breaker against witches oven. I like to show breaker. That's yeah. Yeah and Sarah tops against just guy. So those are both very strong side work cards. I think have to be there and then the rest of your work can be cart. You have done these ambushes for future battles and generally like the last piece or to go shovel. I forget what his last I work hard was a gimme gimme your prediction for this for Mythic Championship seven in terms of the metagame. We'll see you next week. When we do the preview podcast how it plays out. But what are you expecting to be number one cats number two? Jessica I didn't Katz's might be one end to depending on how you drag it out. Sure. I think I'll allow for ya from February to see we're going to see a bunch of gold gauri and a bunch of John and I think oh gauri, we'll probably I think I'll guard you should remember John just based on what's actually good. But I think we'll see a mix joint has been doing well in like all these little run-ups and people see it a lot in the ladder and a lot of people preparing to short time. Beyond the ladder. So I think we'll see those too. If I had to guess we're talking about 3035 percent of the field some like a third. Like I don't think this is a degenerate situation. I think lots of people can do whatever they want. But I think it's going to be a strong number one just guy should be number two pretty easily. I'm guessing something they were to 15 to 20% Okay, watch me be wildly wrong, but you know, yeah, that was pretty good. Huh? My point right? Yeah. Right, right. I think Jessica will mostly stick very close to the Sphinx built cool. They're going to be some there's going to be someone who shows up in a bunch of a of wishes right a handful of people who do that. There will probably be at least one other fires deck that isn't just guy like we're talking a copy or two. I think the Greeks is just guide the greatest fire. Zach is bad. Okay. It just doesn't do the same job. It's just not reliable at all. There's the two most important decks. If I had to pick a number three right now based on what I'm most interested in based on what I've seen from the pros. My curve ball pick is red blue temp red blue flash. Okay. I think that this deck speaks to good magic players. in a way that gets it played. So I think that the the Virgin was played in which Rivals before God Wicks that was built just around abusing guide which was a substantial Improvement on previous builds that I had played against I didn't see gedman played very often at all previously. It was terrible and it went from terrible to okay, and we're talking about maybe 10% of the field here. Like, you know, we're talking six players maybe seven players. If I had to guess but I think before God works it now has the ability to let you just maneuver around the game around what your opponent is doing very powerfully. It is a deck that plays far beyond the power level of its cards and the power level of the things that it does in the game and it can just bury you if you are not careful, so that would be my pick for number three. And I think that it will do. Okay, right. I think that It will probably I don't know if I can truly hang with the big boys, but I think it's like got reasonable matchup against both of the top decks like not great but not terrible and then can beat up on undisciplined Dexter Dexter try to do weird things to win years. You know, I haven't played in visits like okay, you're in a lot of trouble dude. It's like yeah. Okay. That's fair. So beyond paired up against me Masha with superfan one to five. Excellent. trusting a not qualified What seems like a weird oversight giving you have like streamers special invites? But yeah, it's yeah, that did not happen again, right? Yeah. I hope not. I hope not he's but he's got his slot for world yet. It is a great streamer and great success. Yeah, right. You should get him in there. Right? Yeah, but so beyond that, I think we'll see some girl. I think that there are Well Javier's qualified, right? Yeah, but Javier is good. No. Yeah. No, I think that we're again like think about the challengers, right? Especially the challengers who are streamers who know that they are like overmatched. It's an important sense, right? This is not their Forte. They do not want to be getting into these defensive captain. There's one thing about the Caps that if I'm wrong about the number of catbacks, I think. A lot of that might be that there's so much operational concern with being timed out and not be able to function properly just not be able to handle the pressure off all these clicks that a bunch of players just Retreat or something. They know better, right? And that would not surprise. That would be the reason why I just got guys up at number one the concern I have about the cat Texas that it just becomes like an FPS right? It's just like a fat it's just like who can click through the the quickest, you know, I have some concerns. I think it's only in mirrors. Yes, but you know, it was hardly green black mirrors where it's a serious concerns opposed to a side concern. But yeah, a lot of players just really don't want that to happen to them. And I think that's something people worry about a lot. So after that, I think we'll see some girls picture from the challengers. I think we'll see some tumor Reclamation simply because there are some players who can't let go and it's the kind of thing that just really really appeals some people I have seen more look good when I was watching a drink some of that which rivals in the Swiss, but then it didn't do anything games where it doesn't look good. It just dies right very quickly. It's not on camera. It looks much better. It's one of those things the game when the curating the games that they show you're saying. Well, this is what they're still going. Right? They have a choice the same way that like when you when you play that song you play as cats less than you showed on the ladder, especially like the grinding cap decks because they take someone to finish their game so they don't hairs often. That's funny. Right? So you play them half as often do they train see quite as long right? It's a serious problem for balance in terms of your testing. Are you have to try and balance that I think oh gauri Adventures This might be number that number three is probably the number four or five just because it's just a solid that a magic cards is the kind that really again appeals to a bunch of Pros like playing that kind of style. I think it's underpowered. I think it's a mistake. I think Reed was has to get a bunch. I think he's probably going to run it and someone has to read was going to play oven and reason I've I was referring to the like Revenge attack. I've also played oven and I thought was no we can't play oven. Ivan get you too much card manage, right? I mean read is fundamentally opposed to drawing. Two more cards and you need to win the game and even one is pushing it and and the cat decks just draw seven more cars and they need so I feel like at oven but like in Black right where it is just barely good enough and you're trying to get their life total and that that makes sense to him right? If you don't like green bucket weigh Adventures where you served me. Yeah, you can sort of even from snowball, but mostly you're just doing exactly enough to get ahead of your opponent and then just pushing it through and playing a very read style and criminal Advantage game. I do expect Adventure Center. Form, okay, I think red we will do okay. I think the the aggro decks are probably in a bad spot. So you don't think like the mono read like decks have any have any shot here? Like I'm some of my innovate right? Like I saw the chi thien made they do at which Rivals with mono white. It looks like the biggest pile you've ever silly did hot. Garlic. I have no idea and I have no idea but we went five models that right like somehow and you could just save all these really good at Magic but also it feels like we use taking the skill game out of his own hands some extent by playing that because like I think there's only one line from whose kids is that tack right? Right, like you can optimize exactly how to deploy your car creatures, but I really don't think that many choices with that deck so I don't understand. What happened? And he's comment was it was a good thing about it from day one and then that bad Mecca Monday to any lost but I don't know the connection types are. A couple cards. I mean mono red is not a deck we've seen much since maybe the previous Arena Championship. It's like it's playable you can do it, but it has here's the cards that I'm really curious about because we talked about casualties of War being unlocked by Valve summer. Where are the missus and the hydrate crisis is that you know should be doing their Victory lap. From approach are they lost their Once Upon times? It's a big problem. Yeah, and they're all goes right like but I'll mostly Once Upon Time because they were decks. They didn't do that. So they're in a reason Reef Sendak now. Finished here too. Okay, the next doesn't reliably do its thing enough. I tried to I I have kind of a weird island of dr. Moreau like lab for cat decks right now and I tried that one and didn't work fish cat catfish. Wait Elemental cat. Yeah cat certain Elemental type, right? Yeah, we all bit of cat. And and no no, they're not don't don't do it. It just doesn't do the wrap. This isn't relevantly I figured like well now you going to put Cavalier Thorn it's going to Mill 5 cards. Now, you're to find your cat and they're gonna kill it and you're gonna bring your truck runs back, right and then like it's all going to be great. It's like no this is not actually relevant to Magic card writing games. Like just don't do that. Yeah today before the streams we well my procedure is I try to win a constructed event. With a deck before I posted a statement at this point is my procedure to Sir confirm that it's at least got some stuff going on life doing something interesting and part of that is like when you play deck on a ladder and you lose a bunch of matches suddenly a percentage gamer and then you have to do this play Jess guy for rank recovery period so that you play real opponents again, because like the last time I was I was on I was playing the did visit deck it wasn't going well. Right. Now I think is real point at the Mystic. I got driven down to percentage gamer status and I was like if this reported to 77 percent And he wondered how these people got some nesic. Let's just put it that way, right but their decks and their plays like this person does not have the wild cards, right? This is not their fault. Obviously, we don't have the cards. They're playing clearly just cards you would never choose if you had access to other cars and it became very questionable decisions. It's like well, I guess grinding does work sometimes right rank recovery is a great concept. Yeah. I mean how keys at the end of last month had it with what he called an emergency recovery stream on the last day because he randomly became Dansgame everyday to go I need to make sure you have C qw. I like I like recovery a lot. Yeah, that's great. And it should it mean when you choose your deck for Recovery at should also tell you a little bit about something about maybe what you should be playing when the stakes are high right like yes, and no right before the MC enrichment. I couldn't lose in the ladder with desk right? I think I peaked at number 20. Yeah, and like I was just reliably just winning match after match after match. I was just crushing it. Even the other players I was beating because they weren't playing properly. They know how to mow again, right? They didn't know what mattered they next five word. Probably the right cards out to bringing the mathematics of hate or they didn't have the massive amounts of hate, but I knew it wasn't real so I knew I was like kind of playing the wrong back. But I also knew that I didn't have the logistical support behind me to get ready to play the right back and I just hope it was good enough. I thought game once good. And with that the field is really good. So if we're gonna kill this good matchups. And there are 60 or 70 percent is game one. How about going to be? All right. I mean you have a draft. Yeah could be head but now you can try. So yeah, I did go ba. Not great metagame, but we're still early enough and enough Pros are trying to do their own thing. I think we'll see some what control I think we'll see some esper control. Probably not much Doom. I think people realize that Doom is not the right way to go. Right? I have some ideas for how to make the deck better. But again, I think it's just never been quite their proficiency. I think it's always been a tier 2 deck. That's a sort of good players who get there with a good bill before other people get good bills can shine bright red. I think we'll probably see like two copies but it was basically the first tune deck in the format that do the do for toltecs. Yeah, and those decks not often do well briefly and then like today on too long. I can't be able to go about it that deck. And nobody's picked up on it, but I'm stuck in this bit like playing. Where did you copy? That card is just wrong, right? So I think I think that it looks okay from a deck diversity perspective but like be surprising if a feature match doesn't go to time. Okay, like the clock timer blowing someone's head up not like to is much worse than like five extra turns right? I'm gonna actually losing losing to chess clock is what you're saying and I think there is a Great 50/50 chance that will not be this person's fault in the sense of this person was playing at a pace that is not normally acceptable. It'll be this person was slower than their opponent. And this game went that long, right and someone was going to lose this way. It'll be interesting to see we haven't really seen that we sought a little bit at the Mythic Invitational but it was artificially enforced, you know, I mean, it wasn't enforced by the Game, we didn't see people up but actually seeing people blow up. You will always see gains matches but a time yes, and then extra turn right because there's no clock on people. Yeah, and Magic naturally install matchups takes more than 50 minutes to complete if you're playing property of high stakes. Can you really tell players know you should both spontaneously cooperate and speed up the match rather than actually think through things. It's really hard. Yeah, when I was younger, it was easier. I have two drawers on my record in my comeback that were unintentional and I don't feel bad about either of them in terms of just like I don't think either of us with playing slowly. I don't blame my opponent. I don't blame myself right that much like the one at Richmond was just yeah this just took forever. We did all these operations and then eventually he couldn't quite tell me in time and the other one was at a Grand Prix. Like we were just taking for 3 minutes every turn because like the game was just it was one of these. Hey, you know swings back and forth and modern. It's just so perfect ridiculous example, I could tell you were going to run to time here because we got to get ready for a conference call and II haven't eaten on that. Okay, but just quickly before we go you can streaming tell people where they can find your stream if they want to follow you on random Tuesdays and Thursdays where you might be streaming My Stream is to be martial arts. Twitch.tv - see martial arts. I try to eat when I do that. So I'm the zvi on Twitter. So that's where I post my decklists. Yeah, it's been a lot of really good necklace on the Twitter account. If you are not following it and then also you've been doing a little writing again. Yeah, I don your blog. I have an article. I have my Vlog which is he has its feet at wordpress.com. But I also the wind post up there to have log of cool stuff Inc. The cool stuff is a great store pick your board games. I've got my board games there for years and Evan. When there has been a friend for a while a magic show. Oh, yeah offered to put up my article on Cavaliers. So it's hosted there and I hope to write more right eventually your long cats post might end up there. Yeah, we have to see how the I haven't checked in with having to see how it did and whether or not we can make the bunny the money side of it work because like everyone's been hit hard by what's happening to standard. So if the demand for Content the ability to support content is tough. So it's a rough time to be trying to get back into right end. So but I mean look if something we posted within a week to my personal blog or to cool stuff one way or another. Okay, it's already like 5,000 words long and it's not done. So it's gonna get posted. I can't wait. So yeah, I mean, we're just not going to do it's just we're not going to put it up. I fires anymore, right? We're gonna post this giant thing and it's gonna I did I did link to your Cavaliers article as my fires party. I believe my You know that Evan was we're going to call this. My fire is party is negotiable sure not to but I considered it speaking of it. You can always find me at top eight games on Twitter not streaming yet, but who knows that might change as well in the coming months. Thanks for listening. Everybody has been topic magic will be back next week. I will have the whole team and we're gonna do a little preview show for Mythic Championship seven. We're going to go over all of that class. So I like we've been doing for the last couple of events. So hope you enjoy it and talk to you. Soon. Bye.
BDM and Zvi look ahead to Mythic Championship VII and see where the Hall of Famer feels Standard is poised after three major events in pretty rapid succession -- not even accounting for the Twitch Rivals event where Zvi went 6-0 on Day One with his Jeskai Cavaliers deck. Other topics include: Zvi's crazy brew that combines Fires of Invention, Cat Food, and Niv-Mizzet Reborn into one deck that has a little something for everyone to hate on. His other version of Cat Food that uses Emry, Lurker of the Loch and -- why not? -- Vantress Gargoyle. While the metagame of Mythic Championship VI may not have been the most inspiring, it was some of the best played games either of the pair can recall in quite some time. After his 14th Top 8 finish where does Paulo Vitor Damo da Rosa rank in the all time Magic pick order? With Veil of Summer banned, how the hell are you supposed to fight the recently unlocked Casualties of War from decimating your side of the table? Where are the aggro decks? Zvi has been streaming and guess what? He really likes it. You should follow him at twitch.tv/zvimowshowitz if you want more crazy decklists like the ones discussed here. You can also follow him at @thezvi on Twitter (and if you don't already follow BDM he can be found talking about food, Magic, nonsense, and probably some more food at @top8games on that infernal website). 