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I Am Kristy Vlad joined by the lovely Rachel Goodman. Hey, I am really excited. To be here and to talk about Snowpiercer. Yeah, it's obviously we chose this film because of the Academy Award nominations and in some cases lack thereof for bong. Joon-ho. I was nominated. So parasite was nominated for best film and not only that but we just had the SAG Awards but past weekend and The Ensemble won for best performance. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's it's right there in the zeitgeist. And I had heard of this Mill this film but since we're talking about here, it means that we hadn't seen it. I had no idea what was about I did like when I clicked on Netflix. I did see what the summer it was if it wasn't for that summary though. I would have started and been like I don't know what's going on. Yeah, you know, so I was like, okay, it's a cool premise how much did you know about this movie before you started watching it? I knew that bong joon-ho was the director. I knew that Chris Evans was the star. I only I didn't even watch a trailer for Snowpiercer. Yeah. Yeah, I don't Ever seeing one. Yeah, I don't either it could be but I mean 2013 was a long time ago at this point, but I just remember that that's it. Those are the only two things. I really knew. Let me check in with our producer in the booth Ryan you of course did know this film because you pointed out to us that you owned it. Oh, yes. How is this film on your radar where you just well how did you know about this film? I mean we had heard of it. We just didn't watch it. Yes. Well again Ryan, I'm senior producer here at popcorn talk. I was a big fan of this film. I heard about it coming out because around 2030 I mean that's when I was kind of going to a big deep dive with movies and that's actually prefers the first time I ever became aware of who bong. Joon-ho even worse. Yeah. So this was the first time I saw of his and then I went back and I actually watched a few of his others, but I knew he was big in Korean Cinema and it was weird to think that hey there's a Korean film maker making an American Film. So I became really attracted the idea. Also Chris Evans. I only knew him Captain America and his other superhero movies. I wanted to see him a different role and then we got that in this and Didn't disappoint I bought it immediately. I love that. Yeah, let's give a shout out to buying physical media and actually owning films and and having them on a shelf actually have it on digital HD. But yes, okay. Look, I like to I like to look at them. Sometimes - at least you bought it, you know, but a lot of times people assume that these movies are going to stay on the streaming service that they find them on and then it's like hey where did those go? And I think it's interesting to kind of speaking on Ryan how you were saying? You knew about the director already. He bong Joon who had at ho had actually he had a cup. He had some very successful hits by 2013 already especially for you know, anyone living in Korea too. They he was unknown director. So but you mentioned specifically film called mother right mother was from 2009 2009 2006 was the host. Oh, yeah, which I think which I did see by the way. Yeah, I do remember that movie and that was sort of that was this. Everybody was talking about like others. It's so crazy. There's this movie. This is Korean movie have to check it out. And so I did see it and somehow I don't know. I I'm going to blame the media for it, but I wasn't aware of what he was up to after that. You know, I didn't do the Deep dive. I didn't do my homework like Ryan did well, it's interesting too because the host had two of the same actors that ended up in Snowpiercer, right the actor song kang-ho who's also impaired sight. He was in the host and also Yona who plays His daughter and Snowpiercer right go a song she was in the host as well. So they were both in Snowpiercer first song. Kang-ho is basically bong Joon hos Leonardo DiCaprio is for Quentin Tarantino. Like I'm gonna put you in everything exactly or like Martin scorsese's. Yeah his little catholic character your poor people and look I think it's great because first of all, they're great. Everybody's great. Yeah. I think you have some great performances. From children, you know and that's always a roll of the dice, you know, as I have two children. Just trying to get them to do anything. I can imagine trying to give them stage directions and no no this time with feeling you know, so let's talk a little bit about the background of the movie and how it was received. Obviously, we had both heard of it. So we knew that there was at least some Buzz of this movie but we didn't know much it is based on a French graphic novel and my French is impeccable. So why are you here this you have to try saying it La transposons? Yeah, but yeah, so and I assume that that's Snowpiercer. So I think that that's always kind of interesting and then keeping the multinational theme it was from the Czech Republic. So it's a South Korean check co-production. And that's interesting for a movie. That is 80% in English. Yeah. is that you know, it's not really an American production, you know, I obviously the when it comes to distribution and all that stuff, you know, but you know for for what we can say about Harvey Weinstein now is a lot different than we talked about his business Acumen and and the knowledge of Which films to acquire and this was planned to be a very small release sort of a film and usually when Harvey gotten Got behind a movie. It made a lot of money gets nominated for awards, which we'll talk about in a little bit and the the greatest little tidbit that I saw about it was that it was produced on a budget of 40 million dollars, which to this day the most expensive Korean budget ever for a film is 40 million dollars and I am that is a lot of money. I'm not saying that's not a lot of money but I mean when you think of the movies that we see here in the US. I'm pretty sure the the catering budget is 40 million dollars. I saw the line the budget I can't talk about a lot of it. But I saw the every line in the Star Trek Into Darkness budget and I was like, what are they? What are they spending and on top of that to you have they included star cast? So yeah, Chris Evans alone probably was you know a good chunk of money to guy or something. Like you're going to figure that. These are all people who took took a pay cut, you know to do a film that they Thought like was unique and it's interesting and you know, let's give credit to this movie it. Yes. It's adapted from a prior work, but it's a written work and it's a very inventive idea. Yeah, I know and it's interesting too because now they've actually gone on to they had the graphic novel in French now, they have it in English and they've kind of adapted it after the movie. There's like a couple of them now at least so but it's interesting. Yeah, and when I saw The concept was I think that's great and you know, we sort of get that voiceover at the beginning of the film where they start talking about the you know, it's like well, you know, we're going to cool the global temperature and look when you think about the fact that where the human race you just know that we're going to find a way to mess that up. You know, like we're going to cool everything down whoops too much and now and honestly, That's so awesome. That's so that you know, and that's not an American thing. That's no that's it. That's us as humans. You know, we just can't do anything right the thing. I thought was hilarious to in that opening sequence as their kind of explode showing us what happened? Yeah. We see a car that says it has like a little thing hanging like look, I don't know what you call it, but something hanging from the you know, rearview mirror. Yeah, basically saying Save the Planet, yeah all frozen over I was like, okay, that's kind of funny. Yeah. Well, it's very funny. Yeah. They listened. Yeah. Well somebody should have listened. But so if the idea ever comes about to lower our Global temperature to combat global warming, I will see what I can do about getting on one of those one of those Richard Branson Rockets into space because it's not going to end. Well, you know, this was just a logical conclusion, but as as we sort of get to we set up the situation and we get to know the Actors, what are you thinking about this movie? Just as you're watching it, you know some of your some of your initial thoughts I was okay. So because of how I went into this because I am a huge fan of bong. Joon-ho at this point. I was looking at it from a filmmakers perspective. And so the first thing I noticed is that they bring us into this world. They show us what's going on without really directly telling us there's no character really that just comes out and says it in those opening moments. You just kind of have to figure out This is what happened and they they really utilize like News archives to kind of fill in the blanks so that we weren't completely confused. And then we met Curtis Chris Evans character. The the first thing we get is that okay? They know they're like we get the premise from the very second. We meet him that they it's these people who, you know have the crappy end of the stick. They're in the final, you know car and they are about to start an uprising. NG yeah. Yeah, and here's the thing obviously, you know, we learn a lot about Curtis has characters the movie goes along especially, you know, the the third act we learn a little bit about his past but as as a leader and a you know, sort of a never-say-die, you know, no quit sort of a thing. It's like, oh it's nice to see him playing someone other than Captain America, but he's kind of Captain America and this you know what? I mean? There's there's no stopping him as far as you know, just that level of determination and And sure he doubts, you know, whether he's the right person or any of that but it's like he won't admit that he's a leader but it's very clear to everyone else that he is. So I okay I agree with you in the sense that I think he's a leader but I also didn't feel like he was Captain America because so my thing is that one of the things I loved about Curtis is that he had been part of I don't want to say problem lately because it's not like the people were a problem, but it was part of this idea. That if you were put in a bad situation you're going to do corrupt things to including eating babies. And that was one of the things that we end up finding out with Curtis is that not only was he part of eating the week he would actually kill people in order to eat them or to eat their child or to you know, just to have a meal and so and that's one of the things is that we get this conflict in him, you know, obviously near the end but like to me it really really, you know, flick like made this character very much. Item at dimensional and I appreciated that we didn't just get a typical hero. This is a hero who in his mind. He was not the hero because he was flawed from the beginning and they hint at it too, especially with Gilliam saying, you know, you're not the same person anymore. So that's been hinted at yeah, and I appreciated that. Yeah. Well, let's talk about some of the rest of the class the cast you mentioned Gilliam very nice to see the War Doctor here John. Hurt who of course has a very lengthy IMDb page, but I immediately was excited like, oh my God. It's a war doctor from Doctor and and they said when I was looking this up, they the reason why John Hurt was cast was because bong joon-ho had seen him in the Elephant Man Okay knew from then he wanted to put him in something. Yeah, so I found that interesting to to see him there. Yeah, and I think that you know, he is sort of that great. You know, you have these sort of characters this this, you know, somebody that everyone looks up to but isn't really on the ground, you know, I mean whether all of my references tend to be an in nerd stuff, but it's sort of like, you know, your Professor Xavier in the X-Men, you know, your your captain who stays on the bridge, you know, Jean-Luc Picard and now I'm just sticking to bald guys played by Patrick Stewart, but you know what I'm saying? It's like he's this guy is like oh this guy is great, but he kind of has to hang back. Yeah, he we find Out why but you know, he has lost limbs and II thought that it was a great Dynamic, you know to have obviously when somebody like Curtis doubts himself quite so much I think having the advantage of a someone that you can turn to, you know, I think that's good. What did you think about their interactions? I loved I loved that the way that the dialogue was written between Gilliam and Curtis. We didn't quite get Curtis has background. And we didn't quite get gilliam's background either. Yeah, especially with Edgar thrown into the mix. You know Curtis is friend. Yeah, I mean obviously at first we don't know this Baxter, we don't know about Edgar's mother but Jeff. Yeah. Okay, we all have that friend that we killed her mother. Okay, eating them, you know, and I've got a couple of friends that I can sanity was stopped because the babies taste better. That's what we're told in this movie. I appreciated I I appreciate that Curtis had somebody to kind of live for to that. He had his father figure as well as this little brother figure who he was protecting and it was just I kind of figured I'd GE was going to die at some point though because he seemed like even though he didn't have a redshirt seemed like okay he's here but he's not going to make that he's not going to make the trip and like it became very obvious to me too that the three of them that Is world in the back, you know of the train that most of the people we were meeting were going to die. Yeah, I don't want to say that I was convinced he was going to die. But every time he was on screen, I heard that little countdown clock from six minutes like a little bit longer Jamie Bell is Edgar. I think yeah great job. I think that was great to see some very familiar faces in here. I you know who is better yet more unusual. Well than Tilda Swinton and what a great role for her because you know, obviously you got to figure everybody who's been on this train for 17 years, you know, you you're going to people handle in different ways and obviously when you're at the front of the train, it's a little easier but you're a little off because you've been on a train for 17 years and that's what I loved so much about this is that every character had very very had quirky elements to how they were especially the further up we And it just goes to show that even the people who did have the luckier play position on the train that they still weren't without their issues as well and that the entire system was failing regardless of where you were on that train and that's that's what I love so much about watching. This is this element of you are in you're stuck on a train in a system that is not, you know, it's going to fail at some point, but you're trapped and there's no way to really get Get out of it no matter where you are. Yeah, and I mean, I think that you know, there are elements to this story that you know, you've certainly seen before, you know, I mean when you just look to the the the real life, which of course we saw in a film but you know, the sinking of the Titanic obviously, it's like Women & Children First but also the really rich guy. Yeah, you know, it's like well not exactly women Children First. Yeah. It's like when you take care of the important people And yeah, you know, we don't have enough boats. So sorry, you know, so I think to see that the you know, and as at Harris's character points out, it's all by Design and I think they did a great job of foreshadowing that explanation, you know, when they go and there's the aquarium and they explained that it's a closed ecosystem and it has you know, for every one new thing you have to take one thing out and you know, they only have sushi twice a year, which I can't even imagine by the way being any of those those people from the tail section of the training sitting down and being served Sushi. My worry was they put the Wasabi and in a regular, you know chunk next to the actual fish. And what I thought was going to happen was one of two things. I thought that Mason that she knew that they were going to eat the fish and get sick, right because they had never had it before and they were so used to that, you know protein bar AKA The Cockroaches I so I of course just I went Soylent Green with that and I'm like, oh those Protein bars are other people that's what I assume to but so I guess as Curtis is revelation tells us he would have enjoyed that. You know, it's like people do taste good I guess but so yeah, I wasn't at all surprised that it was cockroaches. Oh, I guess it was a little bit but I knew it was going to I knew that there was a story behind what those things were and you just how completely unappetizing they looked. Yeah, you know, but you know, it's a if I'd been thinking I could have I could have made a Jello that looked like that and we could have had it here on the table with us. But do you know they actually when I was looking this up they went over what it really was they use. Oh, I love to hear but that was apparently it was made from seaweed some kind of tangle sugar and gelatin probably didn't taste like I'm gonna guess no. Yeah, maybe tasted all right, but just a little and we have a great performance from Octavia Spencer as Tanya, you know. I think that this is good. I mean a lot of times you don't get to see her engage in a lot of action, you know, although I didn't see that semi horror movie called mom where I guess she killed a bunch of teenagers in her basement or something just judging from the trailer. So in general I haven't seen her in an action role and I thought it was I thought it was very cool to see and you can always identify with the plight or least I can identify the plight of something separate from their child. I think that's always great to have Central in the story. And then we also got that from you and Owners character who Ewen Bremner is not somebody you see all the time, but he was in Wonder Woman and I first found him and fell in love with him as an actor as Spud in Trainspotting and he's a great actor. Yeah, and I don't know if he just works more in far, you know overseas films, but I was very excited to see him in this movie and one of the things he had said Ewen Bremner so he of course plays Andrew the unfortunate soul who ends up getting shot in the head and then yeah, right. The I think it was in the coach where they were having the lessons with the teacher. But so his big thing was, you know, of course he was playing he was playing a father separated from his child and he said that he watched mother another bong joon-ho movie specifically so that he could kind of get the energy from that to bring toward this role and his performance was amazing. I can't even imagine one. So like my big question, And this has to do with Andrews character was when you know, we had that big scene with Mason kind of near the beginning where we saw what happened when somebody put their body part outside of the window and I remember thinking okay. So that's what happens. You have X amount of minutes and then your body your limb kind of freezes off. But and then at the end we get the whole we get another reveal the kind of contradicts that but kind of going back to this. I'm thinking it had a lot to do with the altitude and not the kind of Change what we're talking about with a check. It's like okay, we need seven minutes at this altitude. So he had seven minutes for a speech. Yeah, I mean they clearly they knew where they were they knew what it was going to take and you know, obviously it's all very well for you know, they've got it all figured out but the front section of the train yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I just think it's interesting because his kind of with his character is where we cut it. We get the reveal that it really yeah, like they tell us you can't go outside, but the reality is it was probably just From the altitude where the train was at that very moment, right? Exactly. Yeah as we start to get the impression and we'll talk about in a moment. I mean he has this idea of like so it's cold outside but it's not as cold as it used to be and he I guess correctly assumed it's not as cold as they're telling you it is, you know, not everywhere. Yeah, obviously, you know, if you're if you're driving through the Yukon in Canada, yeah, but then if you're on the train and it's Miami It's called because the whole world is cold, but it's going to be warmer to some extent and we also don't know where exactly the tracks ran we know that they would say that it would take an entire year to go around the circle. Yeah, we don't know where Wilfred built his track the right. Yeah, I know and we didn't really know like the city's to me. We're kind of nondescript and yeah, I don't know if maybe one of them, you know was perhaps, you know a view of a recognizable. Korean City or something, you know, but I didn't look like Pyongyang to me either and I'm not that I've ever been there. So before we continue one of the ways we keep Paris is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Yeah. I think that it's great. And I think that's why NAMM is such a great important character You know, despite the fact that he you know likes to hallucinate on explosive drugs. I think it's great to have someone like that, you know sort of in the middle kind of driving the story. He's like I'm doing it basically because I Want the drugs, but of course, he has another agenda which I think having that layer and having it revealed to us. I think obviously makes him much more interesting. What did you think of name on the whole he was one of my favorite characters. I always loved the flawed hero sure and I think Curtis was just as flawed but in very different ways with NAMM, what I loved about him is that he was one the translator device and the fact that it wasn't working the way they expected it to And some of the time I felt like Curtis could just kind of understand what name was saying without even needing that translator. So I thought that was brilliant, but then to just the way that he was not very forthcoming with what he was thinking and like he would if like, you know, obviously I've just watched the movie once but I thinking that if I go back and watch it a second time, there will be more hints that everything he says though, not direct and not, you know giving anything away. Was all a clue to what he was thinking and the reveal that we get at the end. Well, all right. Let me ask you I feel like you've seen the movie. Yes, sir. Multiple times. Do you feel like they they sort of did that where you know literal translation of what NAMM is saying into English kind of gives them one sense of answers, but watching it a second or third time knowing that he really just wants to blow up that door. Do you think that they did a good job being like, oh, wow what he's saying? Might translate this way, but I think he might also be you know speaking for himself what his goal is it's very interesting re-watching it there's a lot of different things in terms of the journey that every character goes on in this film and it speaks a lot on the structure. I do think to answer your question. It is a little bit more apparent that he is he has an alternative agenda. I think that's that's even the case. They really show that early on it really hint that early on when he comes out of the isn't even like Little cabin. Yeah when he comes out. So yeah, I do think upon re-watched. It is clear that there are alternative motives. However, one thing that is for sure is that the structure of the movie in terms of going to each room and it's just another spot. It's another task or obstacle for each room. They go in and they all have different environments. It's so cool. It really mirrors that of like a Willy Wonka and that every room is different and in that structure you can go into the characters and Willy Wonka each have Motives, you know, like the TV guy is his motive Ruka once you know, she just wants the Golden Goose. Like there's there's different things and I think if you kind of parallel these two movies in terms of the characters motives, you're going to find a lot of similarities and you know kind of going off that to what I found interesting is that we started off at the back of the train with the you know people who they had just picked up who they considered the lower class, right? So then we move along and as we move Along, it seems to be that we are kind of increasing in class and then we get to the you know, the high society class. But then what I found the most fascinating is it kind of went back down because we went from high what they would have considered high class Society to all of a sudden. Oh here with the, you know people who are doing chronal and right and the club scene and get to the hashtag Rich Kids of Instagram basically as you get to the front because they're the ones that were the most affluent but They're probably the worst people. Yeah, just you know what their motivation is in life and it almost felt like with different so like, you know, we had really we had people who were struggling to survive at the back in the front. We also had people struggling to survive but in an entirely different way instead of you know, they don't have food when we got to the front. It was more like know they are it's like two different extremes and they're struggling emotionally because they can't handle everything that's happening to them in a different like more of an intellectual way in an emotional way want to shut out. Yeah - in the chat wants is wondering if people prefer Snowpiercer to parasite. He says Snowpiercer was seared into his brain and also visually its outstanding which I completely agree and Chris Evans was so good. He's always good all the acting in this movie is great. I think you have some great performances and And I didn't know the castle as well enough to know who is playing Wilfred. So I figured it was going to be a very recognizable, you know Western as in you know, American or British actor and I you know the reveal is that Harris. I'm like, oh, yeah, this seems kind of perfect to answer his question too about which movie we prefer. I think I personally like parasite better only because I thought that this movie was amazing and you know, I hate to even compare them at All because this movie definitely stands up really well on its own. The reason I would argue that parasite spoke more to me though is because we it was more about one single family and their struggles trying to kind of climb up the social ladder. So right I mean you're dealing with a lot of different people trying to make a similar climb. But before we get into some of the things about the film itself, give us your thoughts on Ed Harris as a wolf. Yeah, so I think my big thing is I'm still trying debating in my head whether whether his story about Gilliam was true or not. Yeah, I was gonna ask you that. Yeah Ed Harris as the actor playing Wilfred though. I thought was perfect. Yeah because he was very level-headed and like you never knew like he doesn't seem like your typical like megalomaniac who you know is power-hungry. He just almost seems like a regular person in a way. Way obviously jamas all day. Yeah on the other person that we ever knew who wear pajamas all day was Hugh Hefner. So I thought that was a nice touch because he's like, well, yeah, who am I getting dressed up for her? No, but it was interesting because here's a guy like, you know, he's under the impression that the system is going to keep going the same way. It always does and that their everything is always going to remain in balance and there's always going to be certain amount of people and it's just going to keep going and The thing is that you know clearly what he doesn't recognize is that the system can be broken right? Exactly. The I think the desire of Curtis and also, you know Nam who he was. I don't think prepared for you know his plan. I don't think he would imagine like why would code is not want this is this is so much better and he and Curtis even says everybody in the back would gladly trade places with you and he's almost like funny you mention that because I want to trade places. Aces with you and sort of the realization. I guess of the you know, the kids working to you know, actually clean the engine and all of that. I think helped him kind of realize you know, because he clearly I mean it's obviously like well, the rest of our lives were still going to be on this train that's at least Curtis's point of view. So the notion the so wilford's offer had to seem at least somewhat appealing on some level to him and I think that Curtis was about to Take him up on that offer, which is kind of ironic because the whole thing was that he Curtis wanted to get up there and wanted to overthrow Wilfred so that he could change the system. I think what I think that what Curtis realized at the end of the film was I'm not going to be able we're not going to be able to keep this train going and accomplish what I wanted to and change things the only way it changes if we destroy this and I think that that was kind of what was going on in Curtis is my near the end was okay I either Either take over this person's place and we keep doing what we're doing. And that's just the way it's going to be or everybody has to die because it's there's no way to you know, keep this train in motion and change at the same time. Like it just those two things can't happen together. What I loved with Curtis though is that we had that moment where we learn about how Gilliam had actually ripped up ripped off his own arm and made that choice to stop Curtis from you know, Doing the wrong thing. Yeah, and how Curtis said why can't rip my tried, but I could never rip my own arm off and saving Timmy his arm got ripped off. Yes. I thought that I was I was a great Arc for well for Curtis, but also for Curtis is arm. Yeah it sort of it actually was able to see like well now I have I have the reason that I need to give this arm a relay, but he didn't he couldn't necessarily see it and that just reinforces what Gilliam said about him being a different person. Before we try to interpret what the ending was. We have to obviously talk about the character of Yona who is nems daughter portrayed by go a song at least. I hope I got that right and I thought that she was great. I mean she's a largely at least when we first see her just sort of an ancillary character just with Nam and then we start to kind of, you know, get to see you know, she has questions. He's trying to figure things out and I think that I think she does a great job and I I really like seeing them work together. What did you think of her? And well just what did you think of her? First it I love how they portray the train babies as they call as they called them anyone actually born on the train. I kind of assumed she would be I didn't know what the ending was going to be. Yeah, but I kind of assumed that there was going to be some kind of major, you know end moment with her. Her we're either her father didn't survive and she did or she died. I was pretty convinced that their that all of them except maybe Curtis were going to die until a certain point. Yeah with you with her though. I also felt this sense of sadness because here's this 17 year old girl who is you know, kind of addicted to criminal and she's never known any other life, but the want but being on a train and you know being sleeping in One little you know incubator, whatever you want to call it. Yeah sleeping in that room with her dad. Like she's so she's never really known what it's like to really live. So we basically focus on her after afternoons plan Darrell's the train and fairly spectacular passion and we have both madman Timmy who is Tanya's daughter who was basically that's who Curtis gave his I'm for was to give get him out of the mechanism inside the engine of the train and you know, they go outside and there of course don't die instantly, so that'll tell you that they're you know, not in Antarctica. I don't know so there yeah, they obviously have nice jackets which helps we're I was so I watch this with hubby Joe sure you're both like, okay. Apparently, she had grabbed the jacket from someone, but we're curious about the the smaller. As Jack. Yeah, but we assume they went back and I do wonder if that was you know, like an insert shot with like to be really need that. Yeah. I know I did think like wait that's it's not like it's her dad's jacket just draped around him. You know, it's like oh no, that's a child-size jacket. Click it fit perfectly for had that. Yeah, exactly. Well there was a tailor on the train, so maybe they had it made and they had they had it delivered. So what do you think about as they walk off into the snow and they see the polar bear? Which I think was a it was a nice reveal. So my thought was one I'm not convinced that the only survivors are the people that were on this train, right? And and the thing is I understand polar bears like, you know, obviously they have a fur coat they are more equipped to Bear cooler temperatures, but what I'm assuming is that we had people on a train they were probably shelters that did house other people. So I'm convinced that that Timmy and Jana are not the last to survive. Is of the human race but to I do think that it is ending on a hopeful note, even though there is a polar bear and that may mean other polar bears and might mean their deaths but there are other people in general and I thought the polar bear actually has sort of has actually has an expression of like what are these? Yeah has never seen people. So I don't know. I thought that that that was cool finish that thought. I wanted to talk about Awards before we run out of time. No, I'm just Going to add to that see I do think generally speaking. It ends on a kind of a happy note that it doesn't but I think the ultimate message wasn't so much of the was one that yes, the human race is going to survive but to the message that it sometimes like we have to break a system in order to survive and that just because you're trapped on a train or trapped in a certain, you know way of life doesn't Not mean that you are stuck there forever. There is always a way to change it right II definitely grave that I thought it had a nice sort of open ending where you know, it's up to interpretation, which I think is always fun for movie because it's not like well, this is definitely what happens like no because you have no idea where it goes from there and always makes it fun to talk about so talk a little bit in our final two minutes here about some of the awards it was nominated for did receive Eve and because I know that you had some notes on that. Yeah, so it looks like Snowpiercer was not did not receive any American Awards, but it looks like they received the grand Bell Award for best art Direction in 2013. The blue dragon film Award for best art Direction the blue dragon film Award for best director the baked song Arts Award for best film director in 2014. And then the grand Bell Award for best editing in 2013. Yeah, and well, you know we talked about it's 40 million dollar budget and its international box office is 86 million dollars which you know, if a Marvel movie opened at 86 million dollars, they would they would really hit panic over at Disney but I think for a movie like this, that's great. Yeah, you know and so I think it was received very well in that sense to what we always like to do. When you do these these Anatomy movies, you know, sort of does it live up to the hype this wasn't didn't have Of hype in a traditional way like a lot of the movies we've done or sort of like Classics and we're just you know, usually Alexa and I have just been dumb enough to have not seen them. But this I think is like, oh you can see why this movie is so widely regarded and it's also not particularly old so it's not going to feel like I don't know what they were thinking back then but I'm wondering what did you think about sort of the reputation? This film has now that you've seen it it made me appreciate bong. Joon-ho as a director and more and now I want to Out like I haven't seen all of his movies. So now I want to just like go and binge everything that he's ever done but it made me appreciate him more as a director. I also appreciated the cast and the way that everybody worked. It was definitely an ensemble piece. Yeah. It was a great Ensemble. Yeah, and just the messages and I appreciated all the hidden meetings and some of the meetings that weren't so hidden either. Yeah. No. No, it's you know there it's there's a clear message that the middle and you know, At the center of the entire crisis that they try to combat. We're in no way beaten over the head by it. You know, it's just sort of it's very apparent. Honestly, you're saved the planet image that you talked about at the beginning of the show. That's frozen over that's kind of it. That's really what they're trying to say and it's like well then you get stuck on a train. Yeah. I thought it was great and I'm glad that I've seen it and I well I look forward to whatever we're going to see next week. I'm not quite sure what movie we're going to watch next week. I My co-host will be but in two weeks Rachel will be back. Alexa will be back and we'll be watching Stripes but that's two weeks. Follow me in social media. If you want to know what we are watching next week. You can find me on Twitter Instagram at Christian DMZ and Rachel where can people find you you can find me on or around Twitter at reach Goodman or on my author Instagram account at Rachel Radnor author. 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#Snowpiercer #AnatomyOfAMovie #BongJoonHo On this edition of Retro Anatomy of a Movie, Hosts Christian Bladt and Rachel Goodman cover the 2013 sci-fi action flick "Snowpiercer". This film is directed by Bong Joon-Ho who is fresh off of Parasite this year and stars Chris Evans, Tilda Swinton, Jamie Bell, Kand-Ho Song, John Hurt, and Octavia Spencer. The premise is: when a failed global-warming experiment kills off most life on the planet. The final survivors board the SNOWPIERCER, a train that travels around the globe via a perpetual-motion engine. When cryptic messages incite the passengers to revolt, the train thrusts full-throttle towards disaster. - http://youtube.com/popcorntalknetwork HELPFUL LINKS: Website - http://popcorntalk.com Follow us on Twitter - https://twitter.com/thepopcorntalk ABOUT POPCORN TALK: Popcorn Talk Network is the online broadcast network with programming dedicated exclusively to movie discussion, news, interviews and commentary. Popcorn Talk Network is comprised of the leading members and personalities of the film press and community including E!’s Maria Menounos. ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 