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Noah helps Helen climb down the side of a cliff and Helen still gets bit by a snake survives and they get resolution together and we got a special guest in the building. Let's go. Let's get it. I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now. What about everybody see drama? Twz favorite music yo yo yo, what is up? Everybody the affair after show. I am your whole slim Gonzalez and I'm super excited because not it was a great episode. Not only is April sitting next to me. But we have a great guest in the building super excited as I said about our amazing person next to me. I don't think she's been next to me at all this season. No, but today I am blessed. It is Sunday. Say hallelujah, I prayed for this everyone sit on somebody's what's up girl. Let me cry. Just like I did. Of course the homie Alice indeed is in the building here. I am holding it down holding it down hallways and it is guess time our guest today is the one and only couplets actor super friend of the show William Christopher Stevens. I'm so cool. Thank you so much for joining us. So excited to have you here. Yes happy to be here only. So ladies and gentlemen, how do you feel about this episode? I will say that I did cry a thug tier on tier because I was as you know, I want this to happen. I want them to get back together. And now I feel like it might happen so glad I know when your Thug tear happened. What was the exact moment of this Thug tear that's It was well you had to see that exhibit then the sea then I'm going to expose my thing. I want to say it was one but I will say the biggest more than one the biggest thug tear came out when they were pretty much together and and Noah was helping her down the cliff and he was like just trust me and it was like, I went back to the moment. You know what I'm saying way way back. I know this is far-fetched for you, but for me a thug sensitive, It is not. Do you know the movie Titanic? Right just a small movie. Laughs and with Jack is like bluh-bluh-bluh-bluh-bluh, you know, he's in there and she's like no. No, I went back to that moment. I went back to that one when they're and that was how important it was because we know that Helen has not wanting to trust Noah for so long right at the whole song is called the affair. So why would he trust them in the fact that she had to trust him to get down that Clift and she did Trust him, even though they argue the whole time, but I thought that was momentous they didn't with us. This is literally one of my favorite movies of all time. I think Helen always wanted to really okay. So I think there was a period where she definitely did not trust him. But I think ultimately she's always wanted to trust him. Why don't you I really do think so, I agree with that. Yeah, I do. I don't think it was a matter of because I agree with some of what Whitney said, I think there is a level of codependency that's happening here. Even if they don't want to recognize it. I mean they were married. They have a lot of kids together. There's a lot of things there that you just can't undo no matter what so anyway, okay, okay. I mean the episode just altogether was an amazing one because I think I personally feel as if the Riders of the affair have been listening to what I've been saying just you so long, but I do feel personally victimized by Regina George now, okay, but I literally feel like they've been listening to me because they did what I needed them to do they gave we think they gave no no they gave a good enough. And adequate. Goodbye from NOAA to Allison. They didn't take away that relationship. They didn't act like it didn't happen. He tears up hearing her voice. He says I loved her I was this as this I needed that to get because when she died in a lot of fans were semi and an uproar, you know, because how could they not seem like it was a bigger deal to him whatever. So for them to kind of give have him do the official goodbye to her I was Like you won me over right there. Not that they haven't won me over a long time ago. But like you gave me what I needed and then now I can accept she's gone Helen's here. You have I have I have closure. That's why I feel like saying I have been doing that like this is how you wrap up a Show Gotcha. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know if this was the the Terminus if you will of Allison and Noah though because I still think we might have some Some real final stuff. I don't I disagree I disagree I say that is because I think we're going to see the daughter back in and I think that there which is why I feel like it is the Terminus this episode. I know but I feel like Joni and no are gonna have something together and I think that's going to then create some other after-effects of I don't know. We'll see what happened. Well side. We'll see I think it's I think this was it big wheel when you were coming in your character situation. Yeah, I mean, you know you get the script you see what's going on. And what was really cool to see what happened behind the closed door because when doing it, you know, I just heard the shouting and all that stuff right then you come in the whole attitude changes because I'm like you guys gotta move you gotta get out of here. So yeah, it was like that moment before is like, okay. This is what was going on. This is what you guys were arguing about, you know, so yeah, that wasn't I was cool then. Yeah, and you came in your character came in at a really momentous time because you see Helen she goes over right and if we go back to kind of the beginning how it started with me is on a tangent. Oh, yeah not mad at her right see I feel like yes, she doesn't want to give her dad a break. Helen is trying to plead with her. She goes in on Helen is like I don't want to be like you because she see what her mom is gone through and what she sees no as taking her through granite a lot of stuff happened when she was young. Young so she couldn't really process it. And so Helens really like no. This is not what it is, but Whitney is like no no, he's not even invited to the wedding that's deep that was huge. It really surprised me actually because I really thought when she was a Montauk with Noah, they really did Forge forward in a major way. You know, I really thought okay. This is true progress here and obviously, you know know they didn't necessarily talk about the spa incident, but it seemed like it was an unspoken truth that Hey, we're good. I get things were messy. And then I think on the plane that's where yes, her mind just really and it's not stacking up for me. I don't know it just doesn't you know, I feel like especially after everything that happened with fur cat and that weirdness and just like, you know, there's a lot of things that he was saying in the conversation with her where I felt like it was a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way where she was suddenly like. Oh God like toxic men. Did it all but okay. My dad is not necessarily one of these guys like he's done some bad stuff, but he's not. I don't know. I just really it seemed like a weird 184 me. Well, I think looking at what Whitney has gone through we've seen a lot of valleys with her not very many Peaks. And I think she that whole situation in Montauk when they were shopping and doing things for her wedding and Noah was essentially playing the wedding. Yeah. That was a great bonding. But I agree she's had tumultuous relationship with men. Yes, and I feel like at that time on the plane with we saw in the last episode when she's talking to old girl on the plane and kind of just you know, like look this is a situation would you know what you're doing the family he has kids and they kind of have this moment and she feels like I think in her mind, she's like my dad is just like these other men that have treated me bad and at that moment all the things that they built Up Came Crashing Down. And now she sees her dad is one of those other men. I mean it sucks because I mean the whole three episodes where they have this interaction and whatever it just kind of like gone to waste now and we did always wonder as viewers and fans of the show. When is this terrible scene of him like touching his daughter not knowing it was his daughter in this hopped-up gonna come Batcher, hehe. That he was in a hot tub thinking that maybe something could be happening with these two women that are about to be there whatever but it is, you know, it's tough to see because they never talked about this moment where I can only imagine I can never imagine that happening with my own dad. Never know what I'm gonna say, but I probably imagine if this you know in some crazy alternate universe happened with my dad it would have been a media trauma talked about trauma two. Exactly, you're traumatized whatever but it wouldn't we wouldn't have gone years upon years without ever having discussed it and then but for her to blame and I don't think she did. It was more Helen putting it all in this but for her to blame all of her trauma on that moment. I was like, I don't think that's legitimate because she does have to take some responsibility for her own actions, but she actually didn't say that Helen was the one that said that right away, but it just sucks to see all of this come crashing down over a very Terrible night probably the most terrible night in the life of Noah that we've seen happen and then you know, it just sucks and we've seen him and he said that he said that was literally the worst day of my life. Absolutely and I think Helen was mad not necessarily that it happened. It was a very terrible thing that happened but the fact that he didn't say anything, right? Yeah earlier it could because it could have not been a big deal. It could have been like I was at this party. Hey, guess what? I'm married my baby, even though I'm not his baby is being born. On this night. I just so happen to be at this party in our daughter was there how could you not say that your high school aged daughter is there and to see him turn that around on Helen tonight? I was like, well, that's just that's that's classic Noah he wants to divert and give a reason for what he did but he did kind of own up and we'll get into that later. We'll would you do if you were at a party and you were you know had some drinks and drinks. Yeah, a lot of stuff a lot of things that make you do other things turn to censor all exactly like and and then all of a sudden you get into a hot tub and you think it's a hot girl and then happens to be your daughter go and that point I mean what can you say right you already got thoughts in your mind. You turn somebody writes like What what were you going to do here Dad? Right, right. What was going down? It's like hey, this is I was I had some stuff earlier. Yeah good to me, right? I didn't know right right. No, that's all you can do. And that's what he did. He would always say. What the heck are you doing at this party child? That's exactly what are you doing here? Well, that's what he tried to say in hindsight. Like look, why was she at this party and Helen took it out. I was like, whoa, you're not going to dig on me. You know, you're not going to turn this on. But I really think that he should have said something and I think that would have made it all better and maybe that would help Whitney situation, even though she had felt some kind of way about her father. I think that the would have helped heal the situation a little bit better. Absolutely because if they had tackled it immediately I things would have been stewing for as long as they weren't mean it's been going on now for so long has been having all these emotions and harboring resentment against them. The other thing is no runs. We saw them when they were talking Helen told him do not leave do not leave and what happens afterwards. She gets out there. Like where's though? He had to leave. So he needs to stop running. That's one thing he needs to do his own up. But we see that later on in the episode. We see that he goes back by the way. There were four. I know version a thing which is present as first time and the first time that we saw Helena together, which was again amazing than others. Here for that just he just came on music. But yeah, she goes. She's like, you know, he's a birth certificate when he's like I need it. Okay. It's at Noah's house. Let me go get it. He's over there. Let me find out she goes to him and he's passed out and then Helen just was trying to wake him up. She ends up falling asleep next to him at that moment. I knew it was going to be that was the first one. I was a baby one, but she falls asleep next to him. They get up and then When you know, they're trying to look for actually for the birth certificate and then that's when the hot tub situation comes up and she's mad she's upset rightfully. Yeah rightfully because no again always doesn't want to own up to what he does. They talk about that and then she tells him that he's not. Can you imagine well, can you imagine not being invited to your daughter's wedding? Oh that's crushing man. How would you feel I would be obviously devastated. Yeah, obviously, you can see it on his face and like you raised this From a child, you know into a young woman. This is like it's like the Pinnacle of fatherhood, you know, you want to dance with your daughter at the wedding you give her away to a man you like. I want this man to take it's good to care for her as I have right granted, you know, he's now done this thing. So I want you to take better care of her than I have right don't hurt my baby. But right you're not even invited now so not even coming. It's rough. It was a rough moment to see and to hear the two of them talking about everybody in chat is saying the same thing. Just because they're like they thought everything was going so great. Lisa H says I thought Whitney was just so excited about her dad helping her and now that's all for nothing. It doesn't make sense. It does make sense in the in the sense of you know, she is going through all of this. She it's not like she just learned that this hot tub think happened to her, but she's just learning that her dad may not be this person that she kind of never have had she's never thought that he was a great dad or an exceptionally good. Or anything like that, but I think that they're doing this in the show obviously to give us something to bring Helen and Noah together about like we are all not going to like the fact that she's not inviting him. Even I thought this was going to be an unpopular opinion of myself, but I was actually a little not necessarily tonight so much but last week a little kind of almost annoyed with Whitney because I was like, how are you let's not blame everything on this one person like I trust me I'm not taking away at all whatsoever. From what he did, he did traumatize her and it was his job to figure that out with her. But like I'm like you can't have take this person doing all of this stuff for you. And you feel this you feel some kind of way and then in one conversation on a plane with some girl she tells you, you know, he actually didn't do anything to me, but he made me feel as well. I guess I was just like it's a little easy for her as a character to do so in the And even with a birth certificate I was like, that's all y'all like, why didn't you ask for this before? I know like my green card is going to expire. I really need this tomorrow. It's like you're trying planner right? Another thing I wanted to say is that I know this is probably weird and we're very appreciative of all of our viewers all around the country. And even in other on other continents has of course continents has that's what I just said, but y'all know that's a whole other world. This is something they're all the fires going on in like the rush and exactly what's happening is something that we very much so have dealt with and deal with on a regular basis. So this is something that truly goes on in California. So it's very relevant to us. That's one of the things I wanted to ask you because I feel like what they're basing all of these fires and literally people being burned in their cars and things like that and having to leave their homes is because of a really terrible fire went through last year at the Woolsey fire. Was that being filmed at All around the same time. I know y'all of course film in LA, but I don't know the timing I shot this in March. I'm trying to think exactly so it's not exist not exactly. Okay. So after March of this sir, yeah, which however regardless of that. We know the Woolsey fire would have already happened. Oh, yes. Yes, then they would be using that but I think the even bigger thing is that we've had fires recent. Oh, yeah. I was just talking to Mike now stir. Yeah my path. Sorry, he had to be evacuated back and forth on Thursday bomb and he had to be gone two days from his house. Luckily. He's fine as family is fine. Nothing happened. But to see this like, what do they call Art? Imitating life? Yeah, like that's crazy that watching this and this stuff is actually happened. That's what I wanted to say. Like this is this is a very accurate depiction of what we go through with even you literally you have cops Sheriff's whatever going to people's houses and telling them you have to get out or you will literally Burn yeah, and then there's other people that will not leave. Yeah and they're gonna try and protect their house which we saw that and one neighbor prior to Wills character coming in. There is another Thug tear moment when she reads that letter out loud that no rotor before we got married. Yeah. Yo, I'm telling you right now. Like I just I really I'm telling you I love what are you telling? I'm telling you right now. I love to take it slow. What Sarah dream and her people are doing with this finale? They're trying wrote this episode. By the way, I believe it. My thing is we know that obviously next week is the finale. Yeah. No, obviously you got to build up to it. But to see them come together in the way that they did. I still don't know exactly how it's going to end up solely because there's other loose ends that need to be tightened fact that the fact that they are showing them coming together. And showing why I mean this episode was all about them. Yeah, all the versions was them them them together and then they're separately but it was literally all about them and then finding themselves why they came together in the first place, right? And I thought that was amazing that letter reading that letter her reading it out loud. He's like no no read it and then she's reading it and then feeling some kind of way and he's feeling some kind of way Joe that's amazing. You know what I think it even more so is so important about that scene is the fact that he is on Most like the beginning of Noah feeling inadequate in their relationship. He thought all of these years we don't have any ears but a long time 18 plus years that she threw this very important letter away. Right? And he never said anything like we're all crying thugs here is reading this and she thought this whole time she just tossed it, right so that's an important moment because why did why did they come about their demise ultimately because he I felt inadequate right which he admits multiple times a night and says and as always tries tried to explain to her but I just thought it was such an important moment. There was a lot of I think Revelations as it relates to the relationship and it was done in a very masterful way sure. I mean really the way that they kind of put a lot of things in perspective and really I think setting the tone for next week. It was poignant. Absolutely. Absolutely. We do see that after Will's character comes on he's like you got to get out of here. No, it doesn't want to leave. He's one of those guys. He's like, no, I'm not leaving. I got all this stuff and I understand why because it's not just like I have these things that can be replaced. He's like, I'm detached from my kids. Yeah. This is all I have at this moment. I cannot imagine leaving this and let this Burn yeah, it's likely good, right? Exactly. And so then she's like, all right. I'm out. She bounces and then into picking this random couple on the what is it? What does he say to her to make her leave? Does he say that's when he says which I want to I want to ask you all this because it was so important to me because it seemed to switch a little bit in Noah's version when he says to her. He's like a out just as he leave. What are you doing here you like I think these people might be right you have some sort of codependency on me action and this obsession with me and I'm like If you could ever make me ever say one thing that's going to make me feel different about you. You just said it and I know he was just trying to get her to leave and he had just been through this this this this this and he's been through this this this this this but I was like dear God. She literally set responded to him and says, I hope you burn. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he basically he was always putting his foot in his mouth. He's the master of that and this was another example where he did that and I think whether it was to get her Leave so he could stay there and just get out of here, but you there's other ways to do that. I think him doing that is just him reverting to his old ways and just saying things that he shouldn't be saying I don't think forgivable offense. Is it a forgivable if you both of you is it a forgivable offense if someone's I get out of here, you're obsessing me. Yeah, I think so because I think at this point Helen knows that he talks out of his but sometimes and just does like inappropriate things. So I think for her as much as she doesn't want to hear it, I think she knows that like, it's in Noah and hence. Asking him you can be so cruel and yet so compassionate time. So, you know, what the hell right. So yeah, I think she kind of lets it lets it go over. But yeah, she'll give the piercing things to you know, write back to him now. So yeah, they just talked about his insecurities and you know, you have insecurities you act out of fear and you say stupid ish. Right? And you know, but evidently yeah, it made her very angry just like, you know, I can't even deal with you. Why are you thinking like this? I graduate I hope you borrow my the fact that he was just begging her back. Like two episodes ago and then you're like, wait. What are you doing here? I was like no I did like how the production side when they go to knows version because prior to this was Helens version. It's literally right? It's in sequence. Yeah. So we see no home during the fires. He finally finds Whitney's births to trying to get ahold of her. Of course. She's not responding because she hates his guts right now ghost, right? Exactly. And that's when he got those out these tapes and starts listening and then we hear Allison's Voice this is where I cried. My first love to hear your first one my first time this is like my third eye. All right. Well who's gonna know to hear her voice and to have this moment? Like I said when we were doing our opening, it was just such an important moment for him to just be like, oh my God. I'm so sorry and to hear her saying these things that literally we've heard the exact things. Of course in I think first season is when these recordings were actually done. But it just meant a lot to me as a viewer and it meant a lot to me to see him be upset about that and to just be like, you know the way he even though he smiled when he heard her voice and to hear how he reacted or to see how he reacted to her talking about their relationship. The other part is seeing him react to his own voice and the things that he says which obviously Helen making a good thing, but how he talks about you know, he's like I don't know what had happened. I was so happy and it was just like such a pivotal moment to me in the episode and then the whole show absolutely absolutely I thought that when he cuz we see later that this is a pivotal point to win he changes, you know, because again before he's like, oh, you're just obsessed that a DOT. He's not wanting even though we know he loves Helen he feels like I can't be with her because of all the things that's happened in the past. And so He just kind of do I don't even want her around because all those things are going to come back. However, when he listens to this and this is was big and he mentions to our later. She's like well what change when he listens to him talking about Helen and how he described her and everything that was happening. So you take that along with that letter and then he's like, oh my gosh, this was really the love of my life and I need to do something about this. So when we see that that person that knock again, I thought it was your character again like dude, I got to get out of here. We see this neighbor like hey, you know I'm staying like what you gonna do and he's like because of again, he was wanting to say initially and he's like nah, man, I got to get out of here like you can have my house because his mindset has finally changed its Jamie sees like it shifted it shifted. So he wants to find Helena me that he remembered how to be happy. He wants to live you go from be like literally him on his couch looking like the most sad that is exactly literally wants to die to change his mind after hearing this thing. I mean, I'm thankful that it did but I knew it was going to happen because you know without the preview was buried it had you I mean he can just live there and just died right? Let me know let that be the end of it. No. No, that would've been the worst. Enemy. I know it's gonna die though everybody in our comments from last week on Twitter. They're like wait and I was really moved by Ike. I didn't see that either the cliff. Yeah right there. So I mean it was definitely a lot of ways. He could have died helling and It was a cliffhanger last exactly. So we see that he doesn't run out and he finds Helen because she's Parts perfectly. Right and it's like let's not forget Sasha. That's true. That's true. He tells you need to get out of here because he has this information like the fires coming we gotta go and she's just, you know kind of finding a little bit and then she finally, you know decides that she's going to go with him and then we see it goes to No.1 & Helens apart together. Did you guys Notice that her hat had the end on it. Yes. I was wondering if you guys had noticed that foreshadowed. Right? Right. We said it during our when we were watching was like house in it says the end and then you see it's a Montauk New York and that's literally how season 1 episode 1 of the show started off was this place called the end? Oh my goodness, but also the end I know right exactly. It was a it was like you were really solid just before the snake bite. She's sitting there. There's like don't there was a lot of moments. So what is both their parts then we obviously have to believe that this is what's truly happening as viewers. There's no like my version this version. This is the version It's the version we enter gotten this before and I will say not knowing Helen but we've had where it wasn't anyone's version. They were showing the show. Yeah, so we were just like, okay. This is what it is, but this is actually and it makes sense to be poignant to have it to where it's knowing Helen because it is about them. So See that they leaving to go down this Trail. Did you all think that Noah was like leading her into the like Doom like impending doom? Because we know no one can do things like half Hazard Lee he can do things spur of the moment. He's not the best judge of character. He's not the best planner. Well, that's exactly what he did here because like I have this trail that I hiked all the time and it leads to a fire Road. How did you not know that there's a cliff? That's Cliff. So you never went this far on that's right. Turn Around by now, this is new right they just added this part. I don't know what happened. Yeah, usually it's open. Yeah, so they go down this Trail and then then then of course they have the all this time now to talk about themselves and you know, Noah tells how and why he changed his mind because of course he listened to the depositions. And so they discuss about Whitney and you know, he agrees he's I feel like Noah is because of everything that's happening. He has to own up to his stuff. Yeah, and he definitely agrees even Whitney said these charging things these really heinous things about him. He agrees with the assessment. He's like, you know, I am this person I have to own up to being this person and I think Helen seeing him do that sees the growth in him and she's just like, oh my gosh, she's growing up. Right right right before my eyes. It was a I thought it was just a beautiful. Juxtaposition of how they both felt in their relationship, right? So the dishonesty is that were on her side and on his side like that. They both weren't quite honest with each other. So even though they were both playing happy. They were still not totally a hundred percent with who they were as parents as humans as lovers as whatever right and it's just really interesting now being able to come back to each other in this way after having gone through everything. It's almost like this is the And relationship that you want to enter into right? There's no BS it's all out there. Yeah, just love each other for sure life or death to do that. There you go. I think it was pretty brave him just to ask like, how did the affair make you feel? Right so, you know what's coming when when he asked that like I mean or I should say he knows what what's coming when he asked that he saw certain things happen to remember when she got into the accident and whatever but for him to kind of be willing to sit there and take that and actually to really care enough to know like what were you really going through in your mind? What actually happened with you? That's it takes a bigger person than we've seen Noah probably ever be right because the it's he knows he's not going to hear good stuff. He knows he's not going to she's not going to be like, oh, yeah sad that I was tough. Like no, you're gonna you're in this very you're in this big moment of deep honesty, and he had just Gone through all of the reasons why this this this and I think it was important that Helen was able to say when she's like, why did you do it? And she's like no you loved her and he was like, well I did and I think saying something like that made her be like, okay, this is the time for us to just get it all out there make it work. Yeah, and I think to we always see this when you're in Peril, right? They didn't know if they were like they was I might die, you know literally just this fire is like well, let's get it all out now. Now because you know, we may not be alive in an hour or so. And so I think that we also solve this is another reason why they're getting all this out. So they can you know, kind of have peace with the situation on both ends. Yep. Helen can have peace with you know, the affair happening. I love how she asked the question. Well, what if you know, that would have never happened we do stayed together because she knows that she was at fault in a relationship too. Yeah, when they start comparing notes and how she felt, you know was mentioning about like look like I really just Jew to be with me because my situation with my parents, you know, she didn't really communicate to them. So she put him in a kind of a bad situation almost like, you know, he had he didn't have a leg up hand already feeling inadequate actually put him in the exact position to feel right lamothe even more so right. Yep right want to do the exact thing that her very successful father did but you can't because of this this this I mean, that's not too obviously know what did some terrible terrible things, but it's just it It was like the perfect storm of awfulness and that's how they started their relationship started the relationship right? So then he's like, where do you go from there? Yeah. No. No, we're good. Right exactly. So the end to to the end again and they do come to the end of this ledge and Noah's life is so like if you don't sit your butt down, he's always like Oh, no, I got it. I got it. Like you can just wait a second. The fire is off. You know, you get like maybe call for help or something. Like look for a helicopter, whatever but no was like no no. No, we got to go down and he starts going down like Helens like what are you doing? Oh, no, I'm fine. Appalling. Basically A Flat Rock. I was like, how do you think that this is a good idea? No, I mean I worked well, it's Noah. It's exactly exactly so he he goes down. He makes it down. He's like, all right Helen, you know just come on with me. I'll guide you horse. Helen is not about bout that life. Nope. She does not want to she probably halfway trust him. She also this is not her forte. She doesn't climb rocks on a daily. So she's just like no, I don't think we've seen Helen work out at all. And if necessary, this is not what she does holding babies, right? Exactly, which is the workout. Yeah, so she's obviously scared and at this was another moment that needed to happen because I felt like they always lie got all this stuff out in the open. Yeah, and now they needed to build some Rust yeah quickly. Yeah, and this exactly is what that does. She had to trust him that she could get him down that ledge. Yeah. I for a second. I thought she was not going to make it. I don't know for a second. Not that she would you know pass away or died or something like that or be hurt tremendously you fall but like she were fought here at the catcher or something like that. Yeah, she would break her late like, you know, she would hurt herself like minor something like that. I didn't think that she would make it down, but it was almost like the He helped her. Yeah, yeah, is it took her mind off of what the danger was and she's like, you know, Noah, I just hate the fact that you do but they hugged that's fine. I'll take you can smack me and she hugged him. Right? Right. I like that, right? Yeah, so you think they're out? Works, right? No, they're not because they continue on the Trek. They also talked about they do apologize to one another which I think is good here. It's not something that finally finally apologized to one another and she talks about blaming herself and knows like no you do not do that because she did mention she says she feels like because of the things that she put him through that the affair was my fault. Yeah, and I think you know that happens in some cases. With you know in real relationships. This is where I think it's important to compare the parts of Whitney's from last week where she's like yours. You should have done this. You should have banned tan and said that he was so awful. You just you've always loved him whatever and then with hers because it's so different and we do see and we've always felt I think like two whole episodes we were like, maybe she doesn't really feel this way, but it's so different from like a child's perspective to what actually is going on. It's not that Helen is just obsessed with him and whatever but like she she sees him as a person that like she wanted just once in her life and to probably wants to help because she sees I've done these things to him. I need to make up for those but like her kids don't know that so a lot of people in our chat in our comments from last week. They were like Helen is so codependent on him. She is this this when he was right when she said it I actually don't think so. Like I do think Helen has always just had a thing for Noah but look at what she's done she dated a very successful Doctor ended in tragedy, but she's that she's now dating it's not like Helen even to hear her talk about her body. Like she's never going to say those things to her kids. So they don't know those and Whitney doesn't know that intricacies that go into your husband cheating on you, especially with this younger person kind of random or in her mind. Anyway, she didn't know everything that went on but like I think that that's where it's Important because I found myself being like Oh, well, she is a little CO2 pit even when he said it when he's like you're obsessed with me. I'm like, oh so should I not want them to be together? But when you see the two of them and then when you see her version it's so not that it is very important how it's like I'm not just codependent. I don't just want you like we actually should be one. I feel like in the entire Series right from from start to finish. I feel like Helen is always been trying to figure out what she wants to be. I feel like she's almost like she's lived in the shadow. We see how she grew up her parents are not the best. We see her mom. Well gosh easily imagine now, but you saw how she was she was raised. Yeah, and so she's almost like she's lived in the shadow of that and needing to be somebody that she doesn't want to be kind of always not. Only confident about herself for so many years. She gets with Noah then these things happen and she's always just trying to find yourself even in the relationships that we've seen since Noah since the affair and what she's always if you think about it, she's always felt inadequate. Yeah when she was with Vic she felt inadequate when she was this guy Sasha man. I hate him but she felt inadequate and so you see these even the little tricks that she's had in between that she's felt and I adequate like she didn't deserve them. So she's always been trying to even though Noah has his thing what this episode showed me is that they both have insecurities that major insecurities different but that they deal with and they're also easily not whole people. Yeah, but also they kind of both suffer from the inadequacy feelings in a major way, right? Yeah. That's our thing which is in different ways. Yeah. Yeah in different ways, but interesting that they both suffer from Sure the same. Yeah the same thing really and just it's it was like this unspoken truth that they both were dealing with right and they finally figured it out. Holy I mean it's the most important thing which Cheryl list just said in chat that her kids don't know and why people would think that she was codependent and had a thing for him forever as because and I repeat Noah went to prison for her. So she is always gonna feel some some kind of way and her kids don't know that but she's gonna feel some kind of guilt because of that and so they may see it as being something else than it actually is but that is I think one of the most important things with that topic anyway as far as her being whatever because she's never just going to be like, okay. Thanks right by that is like that's not what happens. You're always going to feel some kind of guilt or wait on you that maybe can be misconstrued by other people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about as something else. Yeah. Yeah. That's certainly Everything is a big piece of it. So obviously they get down to the end. We see that they're almost in the clear. Will what did you think when you saw that rattlesnake and literally stabbed Hellyer you're here gonna for you were seeing right? Okay, every day is just too easy right here. Like it's a fire going to appear over here, right? What's gonna happen? Right and you here as like, all right. Yeah. And yeah, and she's sitting there is like Noah and yeah, is this the end it's just like We know what about you know, what happens in the westerns? Have you got bit by a rattlesnake? If you saw True Grit is like rap, you don't have a horse something something. You're not gonna make it. Yeah. I am from Alabama and how many rattlesnakes have we killed a lot? And I would that's what I just I think it was so funny because I say this to you will especially we have all been saying all season long. We're like Helen is going to save know in some way not like life-saving thing, but we were like with all this all these accusations and all this stuff. He's going to be the one to like come out. So I was like, holy crap. He's gonna have to save her we were so wrong. Like whenever I trust you terrible things always happen. So absolutely trust will come down this trike exactly. There you go, but I see which we'll get into in a second how overall it they saved all of them their lives. But yeah, I was like, okay, here we go. She's bit by a rattlesnake. We know that you know, that's not a good thing. You could definitely die from that. Yes, and so but they have no vehicle. They're still stuck in nowheresville. He picks her up. He just starts walking. Yeah, luckily somebody pulls up I know where and then they can get rushed to the hospital. They go to the hospital. They're like, oh no you need to go no mistake, but also for me right now, he's of course frantic because that's Helen that's his you know who the person that he really does love and so we see that she's okay. And then he calls into the room her vitals are stable and he turns on the TV and we see that moment where they say about a hundred people perished and they show that car that she was a man's car Gonzo. So what do you all think of that point? It was just insane. It would we were watching I was like, why are they making such a big deal out of the car? Because all this like chemical warfare or whatever. I forget that it was. Yeah, but obviously, so what do We Gather from that? Oh, The car can clearly survive through a fire not biological warfare biological warfare. That was a forest fire right now. No, that's also something that actually really happened with the Woolsey fire people stayed in their cars because people told them this was safer than going elsewhere. Wow, and then I mean it is want to anyway, but I just thought him being able to see and have that moment of like, you know, obviously she gets bit by a rattlesnake. That's very dangerous. Dress but for him to be like if she would have said if I would not have gone and demanding lost her and demanded that she get out. Yeah, like if you stayed in the house both of them, right that done kids no parents, right? No parents at all, and he still has a birth certificate in his backpack. Did you did you see what did he say when he I think when he was was was coming down the side of the cliff and he's like Noah, what are you doing? What are you for things? Like? Well, at least I have one parents right? I was like He was bringing me tissues. I don't see anything. I knew it was coming. But no that was a dry fast. That was a big one the big moment because I feel that moment. Was them knowing. Okay. It's on like Donkey Kong, right? That's what I thought. Wow. I feel like it's on I feel like that was the moment. She knows that he saved her. She also is real calling their deep convo. She also knows that he expressed his love for her a couple episodes ago. I mean, there's just many things that play where I think Helen is going to come to the realization. In fact, yes, I am codependent on you because I love you. Yeah, I like that. Okay interesting. I never thought I'd say that again. Yeah, if I'm calling season 1 2 3 4 I never thought I'd said I definitely did not think I would arrive at this moment but Lem Lem did yeah, let's keep yes. Yes, just saying. Yeah LM. Just wanted to Bite me actually because I was started for Noah and Alison, but as we both were yeah were for a while. I asked want to be ya. Do we have any special segment this guy? Yeah. Well what not to do. Yes, that's what segment time take it away. Oh, this is fun to see our special segment is what not to do. We specifically want to know what you wouldn't do in one of the situations that they were in tonight limb. I'm gonna have you go first. What would you not do that? They I did tonight, you know, to be honest, even though it worked out. I would not climb down that create another way. I don't know but I would not climb down the grip. All right, that's what I was going to say is well, but I will switch it up and say that I would not have this really has nothing to do with moving for to the episode, but I probably wouldn't have just gone to his house. He's You know passed out drunk on whatever else and then just like lay there. I maybe would have like called my kids because you kind of know what's going on. I was like I thought that was a little odd that Helen didn't but doesn't really matter. But whatever I was surprised she didn't call hmm. I'm with you because what about you know, the kids the other kids with Whitney. I don't know if there's some weird. Okay. What was I I mean for me when I was single the hordes of people getting out of their cars and their people still saying in their cars. I thought I definitely won't be doing that. I'm getting the hell out. My car so especially pregnant woman with hubby. I would have been getting out of my car. Also, we're going to do today for our hearts that they got out of the car. They did not stay in that car. We're just going to say that right away. Okay, let's hope so, right? Yeah, okay, but I feel like there's a lot of according to that news that news at four hundred. Yeah said a lot of people were they were in their cars on poor guidance. And so I'm thinking and they had and what would and that especially special Corner? Yeah, right well, but Against forest fires, right so we know that now you trust trust the officer here, but that was the wrong move. It was definitely the wrong move. Yeah, what would you not do I think for me starting to walk? I propped up. I mean, I've seen enough movies. Okay, make the incision on the lake tile. Oh, you're talking about aren't ya poison? I mean that's you can spit. Yeah, yeah, that was basically it somebody you love and it's just I thought I actually thought you were going to say that earlier whenever they they were like, oh keep whenever they started walking. I was like I was kind of surprised that he didn't just you know, like suck it out because that's what you do in that sort of situation obviously had to be sure not the I'm gonna go too far then slowly not say that anyway. I was impressed that he was carrying her from it for an undetermined amount of time. Like how long is she looks so tiny? I mean he had to because he was right like yeah, we're going gonna Buzz uncirculated. Yeah masters of the heart. Yeah, so he had to carry. What was the only thing what I was took it out one of the reasons to watch television kids. You learn about rattlesnake bite. So wait are we gonna ask Will questions about like what it was like on set? Yeah, of course. We absolutely can't okay what it was like on set. I was all the actors were really generous. Everybody was great from the director cast everything. I will say a big shout-out to Dominic because very generous actor really really yeah very much. So I added I had something that I Was preparing for in that week and I needed an English accent something else. Yeah another another role. I was reading it in the car on the way back as we wrap. We were just talking to some just it just asked him I said, hey man, look any point is I have to do this English accent for this particular project come to my trailer. Wow, sit down with me read the dialogue. Let me hear it so I could get the Cadence and everything. Listen to me. Give it back to him and I was just like man. Thank you so much for your time and commitment the world. He was like true thing. You know, it's just like this dude is another such tears. I feel about people on set like thankful. You have a good experience, but something like that just really, you know, it makes us you be more connected to your character and more connected to like the pert the people that we know and love as character. So it's a great story. What would Sarah trim like she directed this episode right? She wrote the episode there was a gentleman. I think what she I'm trying members name. He's I think he's from New Zealand. The God is directing it Aha and now he was just he was just some point. I'm trying to make sure how to pronounce his name. It's a weird name. I looked it up earlier and I wouldn't be yeah, I don't want to jack it up. But yeah, he was great because you know, we did the first take on it, you know, he was like all the lines were there urgency. I want you to do some push-ups. Oh, oh, so you get that? Yeah, you get that adrenaline, right? I mean I was like, I know you're going God's whole time. I was doing like push-ups like they call a mountain climbers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah and then it's go time. So it yeah, it spoke volumes at the Transcendent on screen. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely noticed he was there. So I mean everybody was just just cool man. Mmm. I'm very much involved in the project. So I feel very comfortable in You know, that's not right. That's really though. Oh, yeah inside scoop it scoop. I mean we love the show and I think it's fans. I mean because we're simply just super fans of the show and we just get to talk about it on this platform, but it's always nice to get the inside scoop about you know, the people that are actually running the show the actors in the show what they're really like is people and all that kind of stuff. So I appreciate you coming in and sharing that with us. Oh, yeah, boom for sure. Let's get into predictions. Yeah. Series finale finale next week. I don't really know where to I mean, I will say this that only just because of the previews. I know they have to have a wrap up because we haven't seen Joanie in a while, right? So they got a Touchback with Joni and wrap that whole situation up. So, of course, we're going to see Joanie. I don't think we're going to see any more of Allison or here anymore. I really think that that was it we might hear her name, but I don't think we're going to see any. Listen, we will hear our voice in real life. I don't know. Well not her voice. Yeah, I'm just saying. Yeah foods. Like I said, if anything we her name is going to be like a one-time thing. Okay, but I think it'll be focused on Joanie. We obviously we know that the wedding is going to take place and it looks like he's not invited still not inviting even after the whole Epiphany that him and Helen went through so but he still there because he's not in he's just in plain clothes, but he's there so it's going to be interesting to see how that all culminates. Because Whitney still has to forgive him Helen as forgiven him but Whitney needs to forgive him and I think that's going to be the apex of the episode her forgiving him or not. And then how that transcends on this wedding. Do you think let's let's talk bit. The biggest prediction are Helen and Noah going to be together. Yes, I think yes. I think I see it happening. Are you a yes or a no? I'm just going to buy the trailer. I think they bonded enough to let me just say yes. Yes, I just say yes, you know, I think I've said no for a long time, but I gotta come on. I am slightly happy about it. And I think that it is a good way throughout the series throughout every season of the show. I you know will look on their Twitter Instagram or whatever and a lot of We'll ask like how do you as writers write this stuff? Like you must all be bitter single people who this is this and they're like, are you kidding? Actually, we're all very happily married with and they're like, we're just telling a story. So I think it's almost like a hahaha to people who have you know, people are crazy right obviously, right? Um, but yes, I think they'll be together and I feel like that's the only you know, that's what really matters at this point. I think it's going to be like a Grand restart so I think it's one of those now that they've said all these truths to each other. I think this is an opportunity for them to take two. Yeah, you know, like I don't think it's them just suddenly, you know, oh we're gonna get married again. I think they really need to get to know each other as the people that they know now, they're just they're like on a different playing field with each other. So I think it's like a new exploration of love and Alison and I talked a lot about Week I was very upset because I was like is this, you know the past couple of episodes not tonight's obviously have been just about Noah and these accusations pretty much and everybody's perspective on them. So I was like is that the culmination camp character like and I'm happy according to what we saw tonight in according to what we saw on the preview that it's like he's getting the you know, kind of the only word I can think of is Judgment even though that's not what I want to say, but judgment that he kind of deserves because he's done. I'm very messed up stuff, but it's like here's how we're going to show how he's hopefully going to rebuild sure. So I very much so appreciate I hold it like that. I hope that they do something for him next week though to to that he ins off Revolution some resolution because he's been through so much. Oh, yeah, but I think he means I still need some resolution with it. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think real quick as far as to the next? Next I mean, you know, I think he got his he's got it they're both looking for porosity for that word reciprocity. Thank you. I got you and it is if anything they will end up if not in a relationship better friends have a better understanding of one another and you know, if they happen to part ways, it'll be a more friendly it's orange and won't be the bitterness there. But I think that's hold that whole life. Life and death situation brought them closer together. I agree. I can't see how it out. Couldn't absolutely I'm with it. I you know me they're going to be happily ever after that's what I said. So we'll see that's been our show. Thank you so much for tuning in. 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Join Lem, April and Alison as they break down this episode with special guest William Christopher Stephens! So, it was really all about Noah and Helen. The episode was split up into four different parts and we really got some resolution between Noah and Helen and everything they've gone through since season 1. Whitney is still mad at Noah and ultimately does not want him at his wedding. Helen still cares about Noah and feels for him and everything he's going through. They literally almost periish in a fire and in the midst of all that, they find what they truly meant to each other from the beginning, Tune in and check it out! The Affair After Show: Join our hosts on THE AFFAIR AFTER SHOW as they explore the emotional and psychological effects of two affairs on the Showtime series. Each week we recap, review and analyze in-depth as Noah and Alison impact the people in their lives - from husband to wife to all the way down to the kids. Plus we’ll have inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT THE AFFAIR: The Affair explores the emotional and psychological effects of an extramarital affair. The drama will be told separately from the male and female perspectives using the distinct memory biases to both misdirect and intrigue. "The Affair" explores the emotional/psychological effects of two affairs. Young diner waitress Alison and her husband, rancher Cole, are struggling -- personally and financially -- in the wake of tragedy. Noah, a settled teacher and would-be novelist, is summering at his in-laws' Hamptons estate with his wife, Helen, and four kids. When Noah meets Alison, they begin an affair. For her, he's a welcome escape; for him, she's a pretty distraction. But, the tryst eventually ends two marriages -- one that was already a bit shaky, the other that was on solid ground. 