Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film straight the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to nightmare on film street. I'm Kim. I'm John and this week. We are talking pet cemetery and Child's Play. That's right. It's a double feature head-to-head of tiny Terrors 1.0 1.0. Okay, because both of them are getting remakes this year. Yeah, that's true and everybody's excited about one of them. I wanted to revisit both of these movies this year. That's kind of why it made it onto the podcast late because I was I'm very familiar with pet cemetery. And for some reason we never seem to watch the first Child's Play movie. We always watch the sequels. So I wanted to revisit the whole franchise Beginnings. Yeah. It was fun before we get into this week's episode though. What is keeping? You creepy John? Well one real small bit of news that just came out has me very creepy. I want to say excited but it's what's keeping me creepy all is it what's keeping me creepy guys Lee wouldn't now co-creator of the saw franchise of Insidious writer-director of upgrade is doing a new Invisible Man movie and I could not be more excited about it. I'm optimistic. We have been burning through these Universal classic monsters movies. That's a mouthful and I love the Invisible Man my only issue is that so smartly Universal has decided Dark Universe disbanded. Yeah, we're not going to do that big. Action adventure world because obviously everyone hated it and now they're kind of they're doing the monsters but they're doing individual films. So there's like no pressure my my issue at least with the Dark Universe they decided and they stamped it with a direction that people didn't understand but there was a cohesion that they had planned on. Yeah, and I'm worried now that there's going to be less cohesion because they're only going to look at like what's directly in front of them and right now was directly in front of them. M is the Invisible Man not to say that all these films need to fit together and like a fluid Universe. Like I don't want to have the Avengers Universal monsters. Nope, but I want them all to be horror films and I want them all to be monster movies. They might be look who's directing the Invisible Man I said, I am optimistic but cautiously so because they haven't announced any of the other ones and who's to say that Blum House Is Not on those who's to say that they are not horror director. I remain optimistic. I'm sure what happened is they look shape of water and they said guys the fuck if we had just decided to do these one off stories. That could have been our Creature from the Black Lagoon. That would've been great. That would have been amazing. Can you imagine like you're slowly building this Arsenal directors that are the redoing the universal monster movies. It's likely 1l and Guillermo del Toro. Well, I heard that they're not going to be the traditional baumhaus budget. So I mean they could have Word Guillermo if they use that Universal money, that'd be so great. If he actually got to do the creature movie. Which one would you pick for Guillermo del Toro? Oh bride of yeah, that's probably your best choice antic you need to give him something romantic. Oh, that's so true. You gotta give them a romance. You got to give them some love you want to give them you want to give him some love that he can just take away from yeah, so probably Wolfman man. Yeah wanted to do Frankenstein. I think well, here's he would I bet he would steampunky. He likes gadgets and gizmos. I want to gamble Del Toro to do the house of Frankenstein. I wanted to do the first movie where they're all together. I think he could handle that. We're not doing Avengers joke, okay my mistake but it's gonna go there. We know it's gonna go there providing that they're all part of the same. I don't want to say universe again aesthetic. Yeah. Well, hopefully they're not I would love a bunch of one-off movies with just some really cool re-imaginings of these monsters. Not that we need it, but if you got the right person Person behind it to get me interested in the project. I am totally for it and I am very excited to see what we want o has to do me too. I think it's gonna be an amazing movie regardless. I was worried about what's next what it all means. Where does it fit? Yeah, lots of them. Yeah because our we are they going to do another mummy movie or they going to Nix the Tom Cruise mummy and they going to re-release the motor. Mummy Brendan Fraser like yeah, he's you could be the moment this time. But so what else between the last time we talked to you guys and now glass also came out so we saw glass sure did I don't think either of us were like all that excited for it. Neither of us are big into superhero movies. Obviously you have learned. Yeah. It was okay. Yeah. Alright that's exaggerating. I didn't like it but it wasn't for there's no sense being mean about I'm not being mean. I know I know I'm saying that's the tone the two of us are putting. Just shrugging her shoulders a bit. Yeah, some people really like it. I'm told I just don't think it added anything to Unbreakable and to bring unbreakable into the split story at the 11th Hour this movie. I don't think did either of the film's Justice. I think we've only taken away from what I'm breakable did. Yeah every step like with with split with glass. But yeah, like unbreakable succeeded in being the only superhero film that not only got my attention but like holds up. We revisit it before seeing glass. It is wonderful. It is amazing. It is a brilliant piece of Cinema and it's one of em, Ajay Milan's best films definitely had a lot more to say about it when we were fresh out of the theater. If you'd like to read review, it's over it anyway Fest podcast.com, but just I feel like I've I've said I need to say that that movie either online or two people and I'm I will say the score was super spooky. Yeah, okay, I get I'll get your ass. It didn't fit the movie. I thought it was way too dark for what the movie was but felt really horror, so I would not be surprised if M Night Shyamalan has a horror movie up his sleeve. Oh, I'd love to see you like he's writing in the world of horror right now because glass was not a war movie at all, but the music cues and I don't know it felt like it was trying to be spookier than it was which means somebody has a whore on the brain. That's all I'm saying. I'm down for that. So I'm saying yeah another movie that's not necessarily a hundred percent up our alley polar came out which had one of us really excited to see Mads Mikkelsen an eye patch. Why cause he's yeah screaming. Okay, is that like in a strolling kind of eating people way do you secretly? Oh, yeah, but where the iPads fascinated come from and can I It's not just you. It's the whole internet. Everybody was like, oh my God many cycles and iPads. This is so great. Like I don't I don't know where that obsessions. Come is the eye patch. I think it's the I don't know what it is. I have no answers. I don't know you've stars in your eyes right now. Yeah. So polar was a really interesting film. Also that's on Netflix. Now if you want to check it out. It's this really Shoot Em Up action. It's also like a comic book movie. It's adapted from Graphic novel. It's a graphic novel movie. My bad. I wasn't trying to correct you. I just read the credits at the end of the movie. I didn't know that I wasn't going into it. Like I hope they don't butcher my favorite graphic novel. I knew nothing about this movie. So ever. Yeah, it felt a little Indie very confined to its set sort of thing. Like the scenes were really like compartmentalised. But the fashion was really cool. The eye patch was great and the set design and stuff was cool and the characters were Interesting and it was just a kind of a wild movie. We also watched the Ted Bundy tapes over last week which everybody in the world has been binging leading up to extremely Wicked shockingly evil and vile. Oh, you think you got it with Zac Efron? Obviously, it's the Ted Bundy biopic and the Ted Bundy tapes is made by the same director and it is a docu-series also on Netflix. I think it's a four-part series like Sia documenting Ted Bundy's Reign of Terror. After his arrest his second arrest his third arrest and then his trial you say that like he was arrested and and beat the charges as managers kept escaping prison. Yeah, he's a crazy dude. I advise you if you haven't checked out the his Wikipedia and stuff in a little bit if you haven't read up on him to not and let the documentary kind of fill you in because it's really crazy. Yeah, and we also get a lot of it in his own words in third person. Yeah, I think what's probably the most interesting thing about Ted Bundy and there's kind of a lot of controversy right now because everybody's talking about how dreamy Zac Efron is in the role and that it's it's kind of doing the victims of disservice because it's glamorizing this serial killer but people are forgetting the most interesting thing about Ted Bundy is he comes from the line of serial killers where he's the first kind of of his kind. He was educated. He had a college education. He represented himself in his trial. He was charismatic. Attic, he was a chameleon he fit in conversations. He was eccentric and serial killers weren't that Suave people didn't expect societies people to be serial killers. So he was kind of like a wolf in sheep's clothing. So I think that's what's so fascinating about him is he opened people's eyes to stranger danger in your own backyard. Yeah, and it's like that type of person didn't exist before him. It's just this was the first time people were able to see it today. It's To see the actual footage. I mean like you're probably familiar with gifs. You've seen Clips here and they're used in whatever documentary about any criminal. But yeah, it's really unsettling to hear his voice describing the things that he's done and also seeing him a court. I think those smiling and appropriately. Yeah, we even you're watching him play a game of people. Yeah, and it's just like what what are you what? Yeah, but I mean is to say that we're doing a disservice by glorifying Ted Bundy in the new film is interesting. Because to say how dreamy Zac Efron is as that character kind of says that it's perfect casting because he's supposed to be charismatic and handsome. He's supposed to be all of those things that were saying about Zac Efron right now. So that's that's an interesting choice and I think he's really interesting filmmaker as well. He you're probably really familiar with his work. He's done the Paradise Lost documentaries, but those West Memphis kids that went to jail because they listen to heavy metal and he also directed Blair Witch to Book of Shadows. Yes. It's a career right there real career. That is a really interesting. He's flip-flopping from documentaries tip, but it's all like it's your films. Yeah, lastly. We do want to say thank you to our most recent patrons. I want to give a really quick. Shout out to Alexandra Casey Sean and Angel. 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Everyone knows this one doll Voodoo to burying yourself and your pet cemetery every this is just common knowledge people and do with it what you will just know you'll either be you'll either find yourself melted into a pool of plastic and a toy factory or killing your loved ones. That's enough of that. I shouldn't be sharing these secrets. I've said too much already. Let's get on with the show. Let's talk about Tom Hollands Child's Play. Everyone knows most accidents happen at home. How did that happen? This is no accident. I'm Detective Mike Norris homicide Miss Peterson's death Berkeley. She fell from the kitchen window. Someone's moved in with the Berkeley family. So as Terror No One Believes the truth. For lifts to tell it there's nothing nice about murder and there's nothing innocent. About Child's Play So Child's Play from 1988 currently sitting at a six point six out of ten on IMDb a 67 percent on Rotten Tomatoes three out of four from Roger Ebert and a three point two out of five on letterboxed Chucky. Did it good job. He has some good ratings there. Yeah people love Chucky, right? Yeah, I guess years at here. The thing that I think we need to like really separate though is that there is there's a Chucky world and there's a child's play world is there I think so. I guess that's so true because this Chucky in Child's Play is bad and not devious. Whereas the later Chucky movies. He's like a little Scamp who has a knife. Yeah a little murderous camp like you could just as easily put devil horns on them. I mean you'd be like, oh I got it. Okay. He's obviously Full little devil, but is he more lethal later in the franchise? I think we're like just blowing past this home and we're just like Chucky as a concept. But this Child's Play Chucky exist in a world where Chucky isn't a legacy or whatever exactly. So he's very goal-oriented. He really only needs to kill a couple people as Chucky but then I'm obviously doesn't work out and he's checking forever. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the first two movies. He's really he's got something he needs to get done. It's not about body count like it's Necessarily a slasher film. Whereas the later the later Chuck he's become these like fun quasi. / he's you know what? I mean it is it does become about body count and fun freely ways to even the second one to uh to a degree but he like he's still trying to get something done. Yeah rid of the people and well in the pizzazz comes from the toy factory. Yeah Pizzazz is all the fun ways to kill Chucky. Whereas like later in the franchise has all the fun ways that Chucky kills other people. Yeah. It's why I I was really excited to do this episode and why I'm excited to talk about it because it's really hard to well one. I haven't I haven't re-watched the original Child's Play in a really long time and it's really hard to get rid of all of the other movies to just throw them out of your head while you watch this one because your imprinting so much of the the Chucky we know now on that original movie. Yeah, and we'll we have the box set of the Chucky films. So whenever we end up watching them it always happens to be New Year's. Some reason I think it's just that like the thing. It's like a lazy sort of you. You're just gonna watch movies all day. You grab a box set. It's always Child's Play for some reason and we we end up watching like all of them. But well, here's the thing there that box at the we have doesn't have the first one. So it very rarely do we end up watching that first one? It's we start with two and we just go through them. When was the last time you watched like OG Child's Play 1988. Mmm. I don't know because I didn't remember any of the opening stuff. Yeah, so a while. Yeah, it is unlike the rest of the entire franchise but the blueprints there for it and it's Chucky's attitude. I think because the movie takes the subject matter very very seriously. We are supposed to be terrified for this family. Yeah Chucky isn't silly in this one. He I see I don't know though. I if he feels a little silly, but I think that's the other movies like I'm remembering the other movies and I'm just imprinting them on I mean there's this There are elements of this movie that are silly but like Chris Sarandon is not laughing. No and detective Norris isn't laughing. Yeah, Catherine Hicks is chair of tiny Footprints little Hammer like I love but nobody's laughing. It's very serious like ugly doll in the elevator. Nobody's laughing like it's interesting how it's such a funny concept. It's as if they did leprechaun and just Zapped all of the humor out of it and we're like we're just going to pretend that he is Jason Voorhees, he is 8 feet tall and he is ready to kill ya the scenes play out exactly as though like a real-life killer is in them. Anyway just happens to be a doll. Hmm. I think that's really where it's at. The opening is so bizarre. Like we just get right into the weirdness right away because you open right into an action sequence but like a cop action sequence. It's like a getaway. Do we know what they're getting away from or I think robbing something where they rob somebody I don't I get the impression that it was some sort of Thing like they had set it up because they're on the radio like Charles Lee Ray the Strangler. He's going down the street. We gotta get them. Like they know who the rat what's serial killer has a getaway driver the yeah, Jack the Ripper. I don't know why I said that like it was a fact what I know. It can't be using this up. Are you saying the horse? He got away on. No, he sure he'll surely he had a carriage man. But but yeah, what kind of serial killer has a getaway driver? None of them. I think that's why we immediately assume bank robbery. Yeah, you have a getaway driver for a bank robber always. Yeah worst getaway driver though. He's got nerves of spaghetti as soon as things look rough. Like his buddy is 10 feet from the guards gotta go and then he does what you do when you when you need to become a skill or doll by the end of the sequence you break in to break into a toy store. I don't even know if he broke into the toy store on purpose. I think he just broke into a toy store because when he comes across Good Guy doll it occurs to him like hey, wait a minute. I might be able to like at least like the look on his face. There isn't a whole ton of dialogue saying no, it's all supposed to just be happenstance. Like he's dying. He's like, oh thank God. I know this Voodoo what this is the only movie where we excuse like. Oh thank God. I Novo do like when could you ever have that situation again in a movie and not have an entire audience go that's sloppy. Well lick later in the movie. He has like a shaman sort of friend who kind of hates them. Yeah. Thank God. You tell me all that Voodoo Rick. Hi. Like you are an Abomination like why don't you tell a serial killer the voodoo to possess another be well, I think I didn't know it was a Strangler at the time. I don't think so. I think I think he was just like a pupil of his beforehand and then he became a strangle. Well, it was like Charles Manson when he was in his acting face. Yeah. Yeah when he wanted to make it in Hollywood, he had a he had a good face Brad door young Brad. Dourif had to be like a Charming Man. That's how he got his his victims clothes. So after some almond is lightning and some hibbity jibbity food. Ooh, yep, toy store explodes. Well, yeah lightning shoots down and hits him. I guess that lightning strikes and destroys nothing nothing like the toys not burned his body's completely untouched Krista random gets like blown back into a pile of toys. But while I'm sitting where is that lightning going that lightning is obviously like the dark clouds are rolling in over them while they he is performing the The voodoo spell lightning comes in and just like skirts by them. Like what does it do? Like Voodoo? Okay, it completes. This bill know who do that video. So we cut ahead we are now with Andy and Karen it is little Andy's birthday and Karen is a single working. Mom who got him a nice big box. He's hoping it's the what is the kid Good Guy doll? Good The Good Good Guy doll. Yeah while he's making her breakfast in bed. He's watching the ITV show Good Guys everywhere in this movie. They're treating him like he's Barney. Yeah, or like Elmo I think okay sure, you know, maybe it's because I'm an adult it doesn't make sense because like I see these kids like the mere mention of good guy and they're losing their minds and like what what's so exciting about this thing? Yeah, but this was during the age of the like the hot toys. I don't know if we necessarily have the hot toy now, but yeah back in the 80s and 90s there was like Furby Easy-Bake Oven. I don't know we had like a girl version of Chucky when it was like a little bit preemie, but my sister had when it was called Rocket, okay, and she did crafts and like taught you how to tie your shoes and she has a show and then she had a doll that had a tape recorder in her back and you could have a little tapes that like match the episode and she would like talking shit in conjunction with the if she moves like where the tapes able to like know her eyes. I think moved out she was horrifying Tales knees like big scary eyes. We're like real eyelashes on them and I Not like rocket. Can you imagine that she did teach me to put raisins on my peanut butter celery and I will never forget that lesson. Did you call them ants where they all we and she had a special we had a toaster to that toasted Rockets face on the toast what it was I'm telling you this type of kid fandom exists. Wow rocket toast. I really thought that this was kind of exaggerated I guess. Yeah. I'm not a toy guy. I guess I even growing up as a kid. I just watched the movies. He's like my soul. My earliest memories are watching Wayne's World and the rocketeers. They were called ants on a log. That's what I'm saying. And I was a good call them ants I've never liked that name. I hate it. It's dumb. Why are you doing here eat these ants on a log combats poops on a baseboard. Yeah. So I'm just brainstorming Alternatives really big it's weird because I could actually thought of that before recording this I that came to me. Well, I was making our breakfast today you thought so you gonna tell me I was thinking of a Twitter poll. Please complete this thought. No, I'm more interested in finding out how you were mixing like raisins and bright and then they are both options were yes. I didn't tweet it. That breakfast is it and he makes is the worst breakfast I've ever seen he's just why is he making her breakfast in bed on his birthday? I think it's because he's greeted her up to get his dolls his doll toy at 6:30 in the morning. It's also too late. Can we open presents? No, well, you're allowed. It's your birthday. Like you're allowed to open the presents. It's like he should be he should have been greasing her up weeks beforehand. Yeah, that's what he should have been done breakfast in bed every day leading up to birthday like an advent calendar of burnt toast that will eventually Is like into a creepy doll that has a unique name, but he doesn't end up getting the doll. No, he just gets a is he gets the hammer, right? Yeah. It's like a good guy thinks that yeah. Yeah because it comes with the hard hat and like a little like saw or whatever. What is it? Rubber? Real Hammer? Yeah. It's got its got a very real Hammer which we'll get to in a minute because a tiny Hammer all of his accessories make no sense. It might just be it's because it's the 80s and there's there's no way you would get this now, but good guy has like I'm a Machine gun, he's got a machine gun. He's got a carpenter's belt and probably a good doctors outfit and a machine gun. Like we've got our me Chucky or are we good guy ready to go? Maybe it's because he's named the good guy. That's that's how we can get away with it. Mmm. I bet every doll had a machine gun in the 80s though. You got to compete with that GI Joe money exactly. I bet Barbie even had a gun like a little one that she could put in her handbag. Oh, I bet Barbie had like instead of like Like a book gun, you know, there's a gun. I was thinking more like instead of a beauty pageant sash. She's got one of those like belts of bullets just wrapping around her but a homeless guy selling a good guy doll at a reduced rate of the back alley of the department store where she worked so no big deal and he still wins up with a good guy doll at the end of the day literally by the end of the day. Yeah. She doesn't ask any questions about where it came from why the bags torn why this guy's how this guy got his hands on it, but I guess you wouldn't either right like she's strapped for cash. She wants to give her some the best birthday possible and she can finally afford it. So she gets it. Yeah, and this is where the movie really kicks off because we know pretty early on that. This is going to be Chucky because he wants to watch the fucking news, but it's really interesting how the movement and what we see The movement of the Chucky doll unfolds because it does want a doll itself out in like a that's Anna interesting storytelling kind of way. Like we don't want to just have us seeing Chucky running around and slashing people right away we have to build to that we have to to build to is Chucky moving is the doll possessed. Follow Allah. Yeah first we just get like a few eye glances really got a hand moves, but the interesting thing behind that is that the only motivation for that to happen. Is that Chucky is aware. He's In a story and is trying to do the most the most interesting thing narratively possible because there are frequent moments where he's thwarted only in minor instances like he goes to put a chair to unlock a door to go outside and somebody's just like why is this chair here moves the chair and then he takes a break for the night and he just goes down to bed and you're like, I don't think you need to sleep or he's just worded and he's like, okay. I'll try again tomorrow. I'm gonna sleep with a handy. It doesn't make any sense of In that he's like, you know narratively. We're just going to take a break to the next C. So funny is the next day. So it's like you're just telling me Chucky power down for the night. That is the prime opportunity to be deviant. That is the craziest thing you pointed that out while we were watching this and it didn't even occur to me. Like, why does Chucky just tuck in for the night? It doesn't there's even a scene actually where he closes his eyes. I think he actually has to sleep. I think he's a human being inside that doll. Maybe as he gets more human. No because he gets more Brazen as The film goes on it's the beginning where it's weird because you're like how does he gain faculty of the limbs and stuff? You're like, oh he has them and I'm like, well, why is he just killing Andy right now? He's this ruthless serial killer. He has to like sneak around. Keep Andy safe kill the babysitter then like it's just so you know what I know exactly why it's because he wants to seek revenge. She wants to kill his partner who took off his getaway driver. He wants to kill the cop and he wants to a hundred percent get away with it. And also he I think in his mind he thinks that maybe he will become himself again. Like he can maybe not possess his own corpse, but transfer into a different body. It isn't until well over halfway through the movie that he realizes he has to go into and he's body. Well, yeah because he notices when he starts actually getting like wounds and his nose bleeds and stuff and that's when he goes back to the guy who knows Voodoo and he's like, oh, yeah, you gotta go on the first person you told which what kind of a rule is that? It's an all right one sounds like a narrative rule to me all the decisions in this movie are narrative1. Definitely. Do you think he kills the babysitter just because he likes to kill people. Yeah, like it's she keeps getting in his way. I think because he's trying to act like that's where he's got the chair and he's unlocked the door and he's trying to do sneaky things at but then she's just like cleaning up the mess. He made the flower. He knocked over is like I just like on his running out of the room. I don't know. And because teeny little Footprints a it doesn't he climb on the counter though aren't his footprints on the counter because how did he so when when she gets hit in the head with a hammer it is up high. I'm assuming Chucky did like a ninja leap at her like he ran off the counter and like leptin to her with the hammer. He's gotta have like the same strength as a human adult man inside that doll because there's no way that that teeny little like what 15 ounce doll. I don't know it weighs nothing and he couldn't gain enough Force to hit her in the it hard enough in the head. To knock her out of the window like he was running down the hall like getting a running start. He's like, I gotta hit her really hard. That's why he had that yesterday one of the door open. He had to go back to the elevator and get real running start on this too. So she ends up collapsing into the street below. Oh, it's the greatest shot of the entire movie. I love that. I love that character. I was sad when she died. She has nice. She had some fun SAS. Yeah. She felt like a real BFF. I don't know. I really liked her. Yeah big collectively the two of them like really hate to their boss like you give him a kick in the pants for She's great. She sticks up for her friend. She steps in when her friend needs help and then she died so quick but then when Mom comes home, there's ambulances and police and stuff everywhere and she realizes that oh, no, it's her apartment. She's able to run upstairs. Nobody stops her. This is the greatest movies where nobody ever stops the one person who's allowed there. They don't check their just like L is like, oh that lady go and I have to hand it to this movie for revealing to this character in this scene is like a minute or less. They revealed to her that her best. Best friend is dead that her son is implicated in the crime and then the cops clear out all within that scene like all these things happen. You're like, I don't know if police work this efficiently and you don't think that many police needed to be there when she got in there was a guy who had his feet up on the table reading the newspaper, but no, maybe they'd been there awhile or something, but they're probably waiting for her. I love they're waiting around for her to come home to maybe get a statement or like let her know what's going on. Nobody calls her they barely tell her that her friend is dead, though. Then Chris Sarandon who's the head detective of the film is just like this nice guy and he's okay clear out guys clear out because she's stressed out and wants to have spent some time with her son. Obviously your best friend's dead. I mean, I would be be a little upset eat the rest of that birthday cake you guys is that way the flowers on the counter like does the birth did the did she make of the birthday cake know? Why else do you need? It was a canister John you keep them on the counter. I'm stag. Yeah, nice guy cop still thinks her son committed. Murder, maybe they were some tiny Footprints. Do you think maybe that's the only reason chucky sticks around maybe he wanted to escape you want to just get the fuck out of the house when everybody went to bed but oh, hey look, mr. Detective who I also want to kill will be back around to talk to us again, but I think he realizes the benefit of having this kid that nobody believes believe him like he can pretend to be a an actual good guy and it works because the next day and he skipped school with Chucky and is Riding the subway all the way downtown to the roughest part of Chicago's. Yeah. It's a like The Hideout of his old getaway driver so that Chucky can Excel explode them and they go away with him do away with them. So you said something a minute ago about Chucky being a good guy doll. How does he know how the good guy doll operates? I know so is it thinking that too maybe particles intelligent and that's okay if he's anything like his buddy who he killed. He's squatting in a building somewhere the cops haven't been able to find this guy. There's no way there is a rental application in Chicago signed by Charles Lee Ray. Everybody's looking for he's like a notorious killer. Yeah, but you could have just walked past a store of TV's like I don't think it's that hard to explain that he could know the three pass phrases that Chucky has because As you know, there are no batteries in there. This is the greatest that is such an awesome turn in this movie where Mom is mom does not believe that that Chucky is real. It doesn't make any damn sense and when she goes to throw at the box and finds the batteries fall into her hand. She fucking knows that this doll has to be possessed because how else could it possibly be moving? That's always my favorite part movies. I hate the the whole like doesn't believe me plot and you have to wait for ya that middle act turns. Somebody to believe the fucking kid and you love it when it comes but it's just now we have time get make the cop believe and the cop doesn't believe until Chuck. He's literally cutting him up. It's also hard when you're going back to watch the first movie of a franchise because you already have that whole franchise in your head. Like we know Chuck he's real and yeah, he spends no time pretending that he isn't in the next movies. Yeah. I don't think we talked enough about Charles Lee Ray being a crazy killer. He's known as the Strangler right the the Chicago Strangler the seaside Strangler that what it is. I don't think something like that how annoying must it have been for him to come into a tiny doll with little hands like never strangle again. That's true because his Mo as a human being was strangling. Yeah, and even in the second movie like he strangle somebody with a cord is his like a here we go. Nothing like a strangulation to get the blood flowing. That's funny. I don't know if I remember that. Yeah because he's like you picked her Chuck. He's got a knife Chucky and his Bowie knife like that is his purpose and his weapon of choice. That's the look. Yeah that little metal knife with the the weird red spiral pattern on the blade. I don't know why it's oddly specific. It's in the movies. Is that the one he gets in the second film is it's the second movie nevermind, you know, I do have to we haven't talked about it, but he looks really good in this movie for wrapping up first movie the the scenes of Chucky running around in the background and stuff are genuinely creepy. Yeah. Don't they look great and him moving even scooting around as the doll. The puppeting is really great in this and there's only a couple instances where it looks like somebody holding onto a doll and you know, when you're pretending something is attacking you and you're holding it. There's only a like a couple small glimpses of stuff like that. Otherwise Chucky is so well puppeted and I think that comes down to the entire goal of this film is to genuinely treat Chucky like he's a scary villain. Okay and They put a lot of I assume energy and effort into making sure that those scenes held up because if they became can't be or silly or didn't look real it would it would have to change the entire tone of the movie? Yeah. I think you would have to play Chucky for Yuk's I think that's what made this movie so popular when it came out because it's really easy to go see a killer doll movie and find it funny. Yes. It's really hard to pull it off. Well, like you're right. You need to make him scary and look Tom Holland and David Kirchner and all those guys like they really did a great job of Making him believable at what he does. There are some scenes where it's definitely like a little boy in a child's play in a good guy outfit like running up the stairs of the mental institution to try and get Andy but they all look great my favorite. I think my absolute favorite puppeting moment of this movie and just like Chuck Chuck he's faced in his reactions. Is that moment where Mom realizes that he is possessed by this killer and she turns on the fire. She's gonna throw em in and his face just completely turned. Turns he's like you fucking bitch. I'm gonna kill you. He just loses his mind on her and he goes from being this this happy little doll. I guess that that kids can play with to being a fucking monster. It's true. He goes from like he goes from the good guy dolls, like pre orchestrated facial movements into like this doll is putty and I am able to control it. Yeah. Yeah speaking of putty he gets melted good in this movie Yes it in everyday really fucking kill Chucky in this Meadow. He is soaked he's all kinds of dead and he Keeps coming back. Yeah, they they throw them off stuff. They burn them. They shoot them. They explode them. They all he's great by the end of it. He's just a he's just a head and he's still going. Yeah, I think one thing that really gets established in in this movie that it's carried on through the entire franchise. Is that Chucky does not quit. He's one of those guys where he never admits defeat and you know, he feels pain so it's not as though it's like, oh, well, he's a doll who cares? It's just a doll like any time you shoot them any time you burn them he He feels it but if he still has an ounce of energy left in his body if he's only got one little finger moving. He's gonna try and kill you with it. That's fair. That's not fair. It'd be interesting though, if like halfway through the Chucky franchise. He actually got into Andy. Mmm, and he started going by Chucky and then the Killer is this kid growing up like going through life and the kid becomes the Strangler that is an entirely different franchise like The Omen really that's interesting though. Is interesting how do you know it's really surprising that they haven't gotten that because I mean you do that in the middle of a movie by the end of the movie you could swap back here. Yeah, get them back into into Chucky because he's easier to kill as a doll or something. And if we want to go real meta he could go into Brad Dourif that would it well. Yeah like the character because Brad door for the movie is dead because he's the Strangler. Yeah. Yeah totally but I mean like I'm the same thing we're doing with Jennifer Tilly. Hmm could go. I mean now he's in Fiona door if we know that much the end of Volta Chucky. Oh, yeah, so I guess we've done it. Yeah congrats guys, but she's pretty character. She is playing a character. You're right and we have to talk about the voice to as we haven't talked about the voice. So this one Chucky really sounds just like Brad Dourif. Yeah, really mad Brad Dourif. It's not as iconic as you it's not the Chucky voice that you've come to know. Yeah, it's crazy. How like much the Chucky voice is part of Chucky. As you like I can't say that in my head. I know what Chucky sounds like, but when I hear Child's Play one Chucky, I'm like this isn't Chucky even though I know it's the guy like it is the guy it's got these got the the inflections but there's something like less animated about this Chucky and we will also watch the second Child's Play after you watch the first one because that's what you do the third one. But the voice is down by the second one the second one really start sounding like Aki yeah, that's kind of where he becomes like Freddy Krueger. He's got some one-liners. He's got some he's got some good send-offs for his kills but it's the the anger is there like pure hatred well, also the I think to buy this time. He's a little bit more comfortable in his skin. He's got a sense of humor about himself being a doll. Whereas this one it's like get me out of this fucking doll. What's your favorite killed a movie this movie? There's not that many. It really isn't so I'm gonna go first and I'm gonna say, Voodoo guy. Oh really? I thought you were going to say the the girl out the window. Isn't that your favorite? I guess it is your right. It's the best. It's the most it's the best shot kill. The voodoo guy is interesting though because Chucky literally kills the voodoo doll version of him. Yeah, you like breaks his fucking bomb. Yeah, which is not very nice. No, that's not very nice. I think it works perfectly with this movie. We got a doll kill, you know a guy who's stuck in a doll who might be killed in it with the killing another guy with a dull all this good that's super mad at some levels. Uh, no, I like it. I'll sit just a horrible way to go. Okay. So what do you rate? The very first Child's Play movie not giving any of the other films into account. Yeah, then that's the trick is not paying attention to the any of the other ones. I'm going I'm going to give Child's Play it 3 out of 4. I don't think it necessarily does anything wrong. I like it's a great movie. I just don't love killer dolls or it's a personal preference knock that's You know, really I'm gonna give it a two out of four. Oh shit. Yeah like this movie more than you. Yeah. Oh shit. I think it's good like two or four is okay, and I'm sitting here trying to justify my three out of four. Yeah. It's like, I'm sorry guys. I know it deserves. It's okay. It is also just a killer doll movie. I know but like for a straightforward killer doll movie. It's okay, but there's there's a lot of like leaning into it and like we have to pretend that Chuck. He's just a doll and and the the stuff where he goes to sleep and like it I want it all. This shit to just Massacre happened. I wanted to just kill Andy like fucking night one. Like he's just on top of them strangling an that's so funny and we don't even get that a child's play to like he's still plays by the rules. We still like Oakland. They closed the door. Goddamn. I mean he does do some pretty cool kills when he kills the foster parents. Yeah. Those are both really good kills. So real quick before we move on which would which one you like more child's player Child's Play to child way to has some crazy-ass angles though. Oh, yeah. It is like all from doll perspective and watching a movie as a two foot tall person looking up even in any of the shots that aren't from doll perspective. I think they're from trinket perspective. Like there's there are enough Nick snacks all around the house. I think we're either looking through a doll's eyes or or some little porcelain figures eyes. Mmm Yeah. The second one is fun though, because that whole Factory sequence is like really good. Yeah, and they went to a lot of effort and work to make that factory. Really look like it makes fucking Chucky dolls, like the hair stamping and the eyeball Poppin and where they manufacture these dolls by that time. I could you buy a good guy doll sure you it would have made sense. Sure after the first film you could have, you know, financially it just made sense for us to start a business and get a factory summations like a factory. Yeah. I don't know you can definitely get them now. Mmm, I'm sure you could have so which one you like more? I think I'm going to say. First one. Yeah. Yeah Child's Play to you guys. Maybe the second one. I don't know and here's the thing. I'm gonna lead us though. Like I'm like one of those like you can't have the first without the second. No, that's true. Second is better than the first it's that credit to the for not. No. No, it's not. It's not better. It's what's like, it's not one realized know what I'm trying to say is I'm not asking you to pick which one's better. What are you asking me? Which one do you like more? The first one is the better man? Vo the second one. I consider my favorite. Oh, it's what I'm saying. Yeah, but there's you're asking. It's a loaded question. It is loaded and this gun is pointed and I want a fucking answer. Come on. Okay, I'm going to say the second one is fun. I feel like I bullied you into no see you still haven't given an answer. You said funner. I want to know which one you like. Yeah, but if I like the second one more I have to attribute that to the first film. I told you I'm an elitist. I am a sequel elitist and I know that about myself anything you like from like you have to credit the Original story because it's the kernel of the idea. Which one do you think is better hostel or hostile to I hate you which one do you think is better even send a Peter? He was gonna shut up. I can't all right credit to the first one though. Let's talk about pet cemetery. Okay stressed me out. What is this place? I brought you here to Barry Allen's Cat Daddy. Why Judd Marines he got hit by a car and you and mr. Crandall buried him in a pet cemetery. What did we do tonight? Judge? What we did last secret. May the Lord bless you and keep you has anyone ever buried a person up there. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you you're thinking thoughts. That's not Really bad, you know, I think the put them up there don't deny the thought hadn't crossed your mind age. Come back to us Paramount Pictures presents. Stephen King's all-time best-selling tale of horror pet cemetery. So pet cemetery from 1989 currently sitting at a six point six out of 10 on IMDb a 50 percent on Rotten Tomatoes a 38% Metacritic rating and three point two out of five on letterboxed a little bit lower than Child's Play wee bit lower mostly just in the letterbox rating, which is kind of surprising. I always thought people love this movie. I figured they were so in love with it that they were clamoring for a remake. I've seen very few people have Anything negative to say about this movie despite its flaws. Yeah, it's nostalgic though everybody. I think this movie's got a lot of nostalgic eyes on it. Everybody really loves the original book. So and got to read that book people talk about it being one of the scariest. Oh, yeah. Yeah kid killings pretty dark though. So I guess that's yeah. There's a lot of yeah, the the murders in this are pretty rough. It's not like oh this character was really nice and just a just did not deserve to die. It's like the person killing him and the person being Being killed like there's this is a tragic story. And the thing too is this movie. It has some weird things. Like I'll totally admit the things that gets right it gets like really right. Maybe that's what it is. There's some really cool stuff in this movie and you just gotta like yeah, but I ain't sometimes you gotta ride with it because it's like I don't really know if that was the right decision this seems counterintuitive to what we talked about at the beginning, but you can never tell what's in a man's hog. It's Hartman's brand. Never know why man does the thing he does Louis? What is that accent? It doesn't sound other than drawl some draw. It doesn't sound Southern drawl e though like Southern drawl farmer. I don't know. It's great though. Judd is the best thing about this movie John's pretty great. And I'm so excited for John Lithgow. He's gonna do good. He's gonna do so good. It was proud job. Yeah, it's funny how excited I am for this for the remake of Snow, are you um, when you watch this, are you scared of that cat? At I love the fucking cat like love like you you think I think the cat is the best performance so the whole movie but I mean when he's hissin and he's got his back up and this green glow. Yeah, you not like like when you're watching it like do you not have that same for me? At least it kicks that response that I used to get when the cats would like hiss or growl at me and like they don't want to be pet anymore. I was like, I'm about to get hit. Oh see my my thing is like I've never been afraid of cats because I grew up with case, but when they swallow it you and hers it does hurt but cat. Cats don't like attack cats are more. They're more like warning animals. Like the most you're going to get is like one Bap or two like they're not going to keep Bap and you they're gonna Bap so they can run off while you're like, oh do you mean to tell me you never had an issue with the cat like grabbing you with its front claws and then kicking you repeatedly with his back Clause because when I think of cats attacking I think of they're going to do everything they can that's playing though that fucking hurts. They didn't play rough and they have teeth like Vampires they look like syringes. I don't know maybe I just never had cats in my house that I didn't trust. Well, I never trusted them. But all right. Yeah, just I don't know. I'm not scared of cats. Like there's nothing scary. Even an evil cat. You're like, oh look at him. He's got his little pincers out which is funny because I have that with the with dogs. Like when dogs are like ground itself among Latino guy like chewing gum bite my face off. Yeah, and I've had plenty of dogs bite my hand and bite my legs and like yeah sure. It hurts a little bit, but it's not really that bad. I've also never A dog trying to murder me. I used to have a hamster. That was really bitey bitey. I used to try to like because we had we would put him in those like rolly balls, you know, those like run around the room while I clean his cage and I used to try to like bribe him into his ball. So I wouldn't have to pick him up. That is so funny. I am my name is Ralph and used to Abu digital microbe I made you a special bed why I need to go to places. I got everything I need right here rest in peace Ralph. Yeah. I think we had two guinea pigs grown up. They weren't really anything crazy. Like the one of them had seizures. It was weird. It fun pets. We had Canary or a budgie I think is the thing and my parents like, oh you can take them out. You just put your hand in the cage and you gotta when you grab it because of the way the feathers go you start like at the head and you Like an arrow. Yeah, exactly exactly. So as to not hurt its feathers and you can hold them and like you can feed him stuff and all I ever got was bit. Like they're like you can grab him and he's like Rock that Rock right? Like he's biting me like, oh he doesn't like to eat crab. Like why am I doing this? Well, you can you can grab them and you can paddle it eventually he'll get better. I'm like, okay, so I kept that up for a while. Really? I wonder how long it'll take before this thing is friends with me and he can sit on my shoulder. Just back. Yeah, sometimes he we just get out there and he would just fly around the house and it is fucking impossible to get them back. What do you poop on you? My biggest fear in my hair? What if he has his children of there? What is it with girls being so worried about their hair with animals like the bats. They're gonna get in my hair. I've heard that a few times. I'm just worried. Something's Gonna poop. On me and I'm not gonna know because of my hair. Okay, I understand this fear. Now. I got pooped on it Disneyland remember but you knew we had to go home. We did go home ruin my day. I bet if I had a toll to cast member I would have got like a free balloon or something like ma'am your 26 get the fuck out go clean yourself over here Finn. Here's your pen. I got pooped on it. Just me and all I got was this pain that be a great pain. Oh man. It was a really busy day. Like that was some odds to get pooped on so pet Hurry, yeah, now that we've gotten the pets out of the way sort on topic. That's kind of why I wasn't trying to put my foot down on any of my God. Can you imagine if Ralph came back in Pet Sematary? He would be the worst pet my God. He already knows how to bite. He was already evil. You know what though church, I don't really understand. Maybe it's more clear. So where we should probably say, we're only talking about this film. We're not talking at all about the books. It's we're just going to talk about how it was handled in the film. Yeah church is bad. I think once he's brought back. Yeah, I think he just I don't even know if he's bad because he doesn't do anything bad other than hate this guy for bringing them back to life. Yeah, that's what he's also kind of knowledgeable because when gauge comes back, he's always kind of present in those scenes like just like wisely around the edges because I think they're kind of In Cahoots or they have an understanding. Yeah, but he's bad and does absolutely nothing like he shows up. Is creepy just so we know that the space is evil. Yeah, he because the when the girl comes home she doesn't remark about her cat being different or not being her cat. She just remarks about said him being stinky. Yeah, and I assume because beforehand before the cat died he was sleeping in her bed every night and they were like cuddling together and stuff. And so the girl is still hanging out with her cat. I assume I assume he's not attacking her and murdering her but when gauge comes back, he is murdering people immediately. But church is just kind of chill apart from the hissing a dad who I would be hissing a dad to because it's he seems like to be very non-confrontational with problems that he just lets them implode underneath him. Yeah. There's nothing in this movie. That isn't made worse by Dad's decisions and he's so nonchalant about them and how are you a doctor you have zero accountability. Well, I mean he seems to take that job and it seems to take a pretty personally when that kid dies. I can honestly they bring a dead kid into his office. That is a great scene though because the movie up until that point is Lifetime movie. It is soft. It is Pleasant. There are no squares. It's a happy family and we cut on a Bloody Brain. Yeah, we smash cut to brains. Yeah, and it's that seat is jarring like those there's a bunch of distraught kids carrying this hemorrhaging guy. Yeah, who's hit by a truck ever ever all the trucks in this? It's just that one road. I got to imagine Maximum Overdrive was written immediately after this one right like oh somebody kill her trucks who kill her trucks. What if the car comes back? Yeah, no, not even that it's in the original plan was pet cemetery to they bury the truck and then that Cemetery this beard Christine is from the pet cemetery. Oh, that's great. They cut to they cut to all that Gore though in the doctor's office much in the same way that he would see it. It's not like we watch a tense moment where this kids jogging and a Truck comes by and Them and then we go to the hospital. It's like it's all from Dad's perspective. And all he sees is Carnage me aftermath. Yeah, and you know fortunately can't save this kid. This kid shows up. He's dead on arrival and he takes it very personally which I don't know if he needs to yeah, see, I'm sure this is something that translates a lot more in the book. Maybe the kids alive. Oh, you know better is if we can't okay, we can't speculate on the book can't speculate on the book, but this kid does start talking to him immediately. Like the ghost of this kid comes alive and says something about the soil being sour and how a man's heart is Stone some other meta fuck. Yeah, which is essentially just going to be the theme of the movie we hear it quite a lot. What do you think is the point of the ghost Marley kid? Yeah, Jacob Marley is a good description for him. He's a good ghost. He is a good ghost because he spends the majority. The second act of the film trying to get Mom from Chicago back home so she can stop the dad from doing what he's about to do which is revived their son and not miss our soil. Yeah, but he also he tries to warn this guy about what he's gonna do. Hmm. So it which is really odd. It kind of comes back to man. It's hard not to just see like glimpses of like all of Stephen King's other stuff in all of its true this only no whales like Stephen King. Yeah, like the oh this whole town is haunted maybe and people can't leave and everybody who dies their Spirit lives on this and then because there's no there's no reason for it really like the reason that I think Church engage are sort of In Cahoots with each other at the end like you were talking about is that they're not really coming back from the dead so much as they are now pure spirits possessed. Yeah, that's body. They're possessed by some evil native spirit is the thing like they are the one thing that they are the One spirit. It's the same entity that's in both of them. But I don't I don't know why this kid is the warning Spirit. Maybe it's just to explore everybody's relationships with death because early on in the movie The Kids The Family the Creed children have their first kind of experience with death after the would you call her the maid the handy lady who does their laundry she hangs herself because she has stomach cancer. Hmm, and there's nothing really other than than that they go to her funeral. Stephen King is the minister. Yep, which is a great Cameo little Cameo, but I think that's just a kick off the conversations with the children about death. Yeah, and we're kind of everybody's support Cemetery to though. Yeah, but in it kind of we get to experience everybody's individual relationships with death because the doctor obviously deals with death we get that with him and the patient that he Let Die the mom has the story about her sister, which is Action insane little component of this film that kind of absolutely doesn't fit at all. But I'm so happy it's there. Yeah, and I don't know if I would have the same appreciation for the film without Zelda. It's such a weird left turn. It's so great and every scene with her is nightmarish. Yeah and like this the Shadows are really elongated. We're a little tilted but there's wonderful cues in that scene like the frames of the paintings and stuff. Stuff and that corner stairwell they use what you know about the one particular dream that they've showed you when the mom is telling her husband about the Zelda story. They call back to visuals and elements in cues from that dream too kind of subconsciously tell your brain that we're going back there because Zelda appears several times in the film. Yeah, and they're not always nightmares. Sometimes they're waking dreams and sometimes they're the spirit using Zelda, but it's not Just the entity there's elements of the room that are used like that the outfit that the painting was where right? Okay. Summer house is a child like that shit's fucked up. It's so great amazing. Yeah, because like we slip into that moment. So so easily and just like so all of a sudden she's were in Judd Crandall's house and then when she goes up the stairs to find gauge boom. This is a household word childhood we go through like the same Shadow under the same stairs and her son is dressed up the same way that that little That little man is in the painting at the top of the stairs. All that is that it that alone is so fucking great and so worth all of the setup, but it's easy does it mean to get even though even with all that for how great it is? It doesn't mean it doesn't it's it's an odd fit. Like how does Delta fit into the pet cemetery? Other than that? This whole film is supposed to be just a commentary on everybody's relationship with death. And I think the problem with Dad is that he cannot accept death. I'm so glad you said that I was going to try and come back to that thing. I think that's why he has such a hard time with the kid at the beginning. He's probably come to this small town because he Figures it's going to be easier than dealing with the the crazy gunshot victims. I guess maybe that he'd get in Chicago props. Well because all their family is there frequently the kids and Mom cart off to Chicago they do our family and they're doing a lot of there's a lot of airports scenes in this movie. He probably thought this was going to be a quiet town. I'm gonna check people up I'm gonna get flu shots and I'm gonna administer medication for ear infections. Sections it's gonna be nothing. It's going to be boring. It's gonna be easy and then death is still there death still finds him and he can't handle it and I think you're right that that's that's really the driving force between all of the decisions that he makes throughout the rest of the movie. It's why he can't talk to his daughter about her dead cat and instead goes with Judd up to the top of a fucking Mountain to to bury her in hard Earth's that we shall come back no matter how awful it is. It'll still be there. He doesn't have to talk to her. Death like you can still keep his kids innocent and untouched from that tragedy weird thing about that though is he seems to have do a great job talking to her about death when the nanny made dies. Yeah, they have like a conversation and then Mom has a cry and everybody wholesomely handled that death conversation that whole conversation though is sort of stained or tainted with that experience of the cat being brought back to life because it sounds comforting in a way like he's talking to his daughter like oh, you know, I I believe that we go on we come that not come back, but we continue so he's trying to say that he believes in an afterlife and it it makes acceptance of the of death easier for his daughter because she's like, oh you have faith that you know, we we will go on and he said yeah, but that's only because he's fucking seen it and it's dark and it's awful. Yeah. What is Judds motivation in showing dad that cemetery and bringing that cat back? No knows. What a man does what he does. That's Again, I think that's all it is because you're right. He he he's kind of a shit Bro doing that. Yeah, he knows exactly how bad that cemetery is. He's had a lifetime of experience with that cemetery and still I don't know if your daughter's ready for death yet. There's something to that jot doesn't have a dog. He doesn't have any pets. Oh, right. Yeah. He's a man who lives alone who you would picture I would if I picture Judd whose light and cigarettes off is his overalls and and always has a bottle of beer and is closed off porch. Do you not expect like a big droopy nosed heavy ear dog. Just sleeping at his feet. Yeah, and he doesn't have a dog. That's a really good and he did have a dog when he was younger and then he had that dog again. And then I don't think he ever had a dog again. I don't think so. I think you're right. I because I think he knows that he couldn't handle. No, I don't think you can trust himself not to bring it back when exactly did no matter how bad it would be. He'd still end up doing. It because like in that moment, he's he'd be too weak to say no, which is crazy. Because if he barely knows these people across the street. Yeah, but then the thing too is that as soon as gauge dies. He already knows what he's gonna do. Oh, yeah, he sees himself in in Creed and Lewis and he's put it there. It's a hundred percent his fault when he says that too because he had a little breakdown in the kitchen because he's like, it's my fault because he thinks just the act of Reviving The Cat Giving them that taste of that power that somehow the spirit or whatever. It is at that grave site is what killed gauge because they knew that they would be powerless to that opportunity that they would have to that. They would be faded to go up there and Barry gauge in that soil because they couldn't not do it. It's like there was a debt to be paid like you want. Oh you want to use our services you're going to give us your son and then you're probably gonna come bury your son here. You're gonna give us your wife. Like I said, that's just how it goes. It's just like Tenuous because yeah those Spirits definitely floated in on the wind blew that kite out into the road. Mmm floated down that Highway that is a that is a great scene where he says that it's his fault. I like I love that idea that cosmically he has put into motion just like the worst the worst moment of this guy's life. That's an interesting idea which we gotta read this book. We gotta read this book when gauge comes back though, and he becomes this like little teeny villain. Yeah. I this is kind of where the story falters for me like there. I will say Dad isn't my favorite character. He's a vet just very non-confrontational about things but when gauge comes back got a lot of things have to fall into play perfectly for it to go down like Judd falls asleep. When dad goes to the cemetery to unbury gauge to bring him to the pet cemetery. So Judd can't stop him. And then when gauge comes back instead of waiting for gauged to come back dad just goes back home and falls asleep for the night. Always exhausted he's dug two graves one of which he needs to do with a pickaxe because it's basically rocks. Okay, not not looking at the fact that the situation is dire at all. But then he kills Judd and then mum who has been Harold by this ghost comes back instead of going to her house. She goes to Judds house and then she gets murdered and then debt like so I will say when she gets home and she steps out of that truck. She hears someone calling her name. And it's her sister. I don't think she knows that at first you probably just thinks it's somebody but it's a hundred percent her sister calling her into that is think everybody sleeping pretty conveniently at the end half of this mooc Oh, no, you're gonna resent like not even sleeping. Let's just walk back a few things one. Why doesn't Judd go looking for Lewis? Because you know tell you where it there's two boys cemeteries. That would be yes. He's either gonna go to his son's grave or he's gonna go to his son's second. Oh when he's holding his son at that first Cemetery after he's Buried him I was like if graveyard security comes back. This is a weird not even that it was a weird thing to do. That baby was all kinds of dead. Yeah, but it immediately made me want to to I was so uncomfortable some short story about a guy who can't handle his son's death and just digging them up to hold him again. Maybe putting them back. I don't know maybe he does something else with it, but just like that idea. That is a dark moment. Well, yes and after he hugs him for that long-ass moment where I would he's like, They do a little shot on the hand and the hand is on Blue. Yeah, it's pretty gnarly like that. Is that that baby that baby is dead. But what yeah, but why doesn't why doesn't Judd go to either of those two graves and stop them because there's no reason not to he especially knows very personally what happens when human beings come back from the grave because they've it looks like they become zombies the great thing there though, is that as soon as he realizes gauges in his house and gauges? Back, he pulls out his knife. Yeah, he's not fucking around. Yeah, you're just like you would judge you get that little boy. He's got teeny hands. He's not gonna put up a fight whatsoever. But he outsmarts mm and it's a never easy to watch somebody get their Achilles tendon cut know why is that the hardest one to watch and it happens especially in these tiny little Killer movies. There's a lot there's a lot of Achilles cutting and I guess that's out of convenience. It's a like way to bring the playing field a little bit Fair. I don't love the gauge killings in this it's hard though because they wanted to use that little boy as much as possible. Yeah, so we just like there. Yeah. Yeah sure what you mean face it. You're like, you're so cute. Okay, lll switch plate, but the special effects and then whole sequence are great because like he slashes at him and like we see his lip just like split open on either end. It looks awesome. And then he cake goes in for the kill. He bites his little throat like a little hamster. Yeah arouse that son of a bitch, but when we come back even to see that his body like his whole bottom lip is gone like that kid started eating his face. Yeah, like he was a cat who found a donor. I do have to say though. So once he kills mom, which he does with the old Zelda trick when Dad goes exploring mom is hung in the Attic. So how did that two year old little boy get Mom in the Attic deleted scene. Sure. Yeah, he convinced her to he's got he's got the strength of the the Native American demon. He's not a little boy anymore Kim. Okay. Yeah. All right. You see me to tell me that little boy had enough forethought to go over and grab that scalpel and come back to Judds house. That's a demon talking. It's true. I kind of see I'm a little bit less is more. I want the cemetery to just be the spot that has this power and we don't get to explore it at all. Like I guess we don't really explore it by the fact that the like Oh The Entity did it into deal ways did it and you're just like, okay. I don't know if I want it to be Entity, I like that they come back evil. Yeah, but maybe they can I don't know I think in a book where you've got some time to expand your world, but in like an hour and a half two hours, it's tough. So it'll be interesting to see what they do in the new movie The other thing that they could maybe fix. Why does that ghost boy go back to why? Is he gonna mom? Like, why is he just like hey, I hate to bother you but gonna need you to get plane ticket. Got to go back home. Got stop your husband. Like there's a lot of steps. Why doesn't he? Just go to Judd? It's like I know you were. Complaining about that earlier, but he could maybe it's because Judd is the problem in this whole situation just not necessarily like he's a good guy, but it's his fault and maybe jug won't do the right thing. Maybe that's why he doesn't appear to him. I don't know because that that kid definitely wants the best outcome. He knows that it's entirely unlikely, but he wants he wants as many people to survive and have a good life as they can. Yeah, let's I don't understand. I don't necessarily get His role in convincing mom because she's like she doesn't help at all. She gets there not in the nick of time mind you but she gets there and is disposed of yeah, like it's definitely because the spirit knows what her weaknesses in the spirit knows that that if it calls on Zelda, like she'll come and it's crazy because as an adult she confesses that she still wakes up in that same routine that she had as a kid saying I was I always my sister dead yet. I hope my sister's dead. Like it's sometimes it's the first thing she thinks of when she wakes up kind of like in in The Haunting where the bell rings and immediately Ellie gets up to go to to answer her mom's call because it's still fresh and it still now I'll share clothes. She what's the is it Catherine Zeta Jones calls her Ellie just got like a little nickname for probably called him now. You're right. I tried I really tried good on you you remembered we all know what that it's not cause I Behind every bill has it's because I watched The Haunting so much. Yeah, they are the same story. I think yeah based off. Let's go spiral staircase. It's obviously the same. So I think we can finally talk about mom coming back. The end of the movie is really winding down. Everybody's dead. Dad is losing it. He takes his wife to the cemetery despite the warnings of the ghost who has returned and despite having killed his son. Yeah, and he argues that because she's so fresh. She'll come. Back and she will be herself which at this point you're just like dude grab like stress. You have learned nothing your this character did not grow. He did not learn a thing and he still hasn't addressed death. So I mean, I guess this is a tragedy and exactly that's just how it rolls. But when she comes back it is the coolest scene. Oh, yeah. It is the best it is so good with her one shoe slink it on in and then they reveal that she is only has half of a For me, it's gross. Yeah kid ate Judds lips ate mom's like I suck it out and she's just got like goo and fluids dripping from her while he's kissing her because he misses her so much. Yeah, like a universal monster may be just like tragedy strikes. She grabs that fucking knife and buries it in a mall. They're hugging. Oh, it's so good. Well, you assume that's okay over black John that is true. I can hear a scream. It could be it could be him distraught over having to kill his wife again. So what do you think about when he kills that little boy? I shouldn't giggle but he put the gas Trail right to the baby. He's like, oh we cannot forget here. Yeah, because he blows up the house or whatever. Yeah, but when he injects that kid, it's I forgot about that you like are you and yeah. Yeah, I think that's great because I like to think that the entity is trying to make that kids death as hard for him. As possible. It's not just like oh we've we're dealing with the three year old and the kid can only say a few words maybe and we're only going to get so much out of him. I really think that whatever's possessing his kid wants it to be so bad for him that he has to go and bury him another time. Yeah, right which would be great. It's funny that they didn't want to make that kid fall down and hit his head. So they just rolled a scene backward. I think that's what it looks like where he fought like you see him walking backward down the hallway and then he falls down. I'm sure they just had them. Leaning on the wall standing up and taking a few steps and then they rolled that film back. I wanted more pets you want to our pets? Yeah, it'd be a great fucking scene. We're just like that kid. If oh if that kids like all powerful and he just like raises his arms and all the pets just like the the fucking ground shakes and rumbles and they come up out of the wonderful see the problem is as I grew up with are Alstyne stories and not Stephen King stories. And so if pet cemetery was an RL Stein story, it would have been about pets it would have been better pets. I'm back from the dead versus the the dark the darkness inside a man's heart. Do ya I wanted yeah armies of Undead bunnies and like fluffy and zombie animals with collars on like that's great. Yeah bunny was like a one broken ear and eye ball hanging out of its socket and then somebody's like, oh, it's Misty you want to be in the Frankenweenie? Yes, that would be really cool. If any honestly if this was an RL Stein you'd have you'd have a book for each of those animals. You'd that would be a whole series like the pet cemetery franchise. Hmm. Okay. So after all said and done, how are you going to rate pet cemetery? This is really hard because it's not that hard. I know what my number is. It's in my head, but there are scenes in this movie that are four out of four. Yeah. There's a really cool elements. Yeah. It's a great concept piece. Like I love so many pieces of this movie, but you're right like, it's just I don't know. I think they don't they don't all fit together. Perfectly, I'm gonna give us a two out of four. I'm gonna give this a 2.5 out of four. Yeah, I'm sticking with that. I'm also going to get a two and a half out of four. Oh cool. Zelda stuff is really cool. But yeah, I just like I don't quite understand how everything fits together. It will be interesting to see the Remake kind of retell this in in more modern storytelling. I so this gonna fuck people up I guarantee it but that's gonna be the scariest part, but I also wonder should this maybe have been given the miniseries treatment. This have been given Maybe six hours to explore I said that a lot last year and I'm trying to say less this year, but it's yeah I'm with you like especially book adaptations. Something's going to get cut something is getting cut out of the I am going to guess. It's the nanny stuff. Yeah, nothing in there hanging. I might be the guy I'm kind of hoping it's going to be the ghost kid with the brains stuff. Mmm. I'm hoping he's not there at least a Manifestation of him that's a good question. Do we know the runtime is in this movie yet? Is that come out? I don't know. I could Google it right now. What are you doing? I'm just tapping on the table making it sound like going to keep working but it's not working. I'm not looking it up. But yeah, so I'm interested to see how it will do. Yeah, this movie was I had a lot of surprises. It was a lot different than I expected it to be and then like that scene when Gator that little top hat on. I'm like what is happening such a brilliant piece such such a genius move, but do odd nightmare logic in this movie just doesn't like it's amazing for what it is and then you're just like wait, but what ya know where did this cut is like Way out of left field. Yeah, Mary Lambert directed the fuck as movie and there's just there's too much material and and she was in love with all of it. And for good reason. It's all very good. I have to say Judd is the best character ever ever such a total Stephen King character to a fucking tea, but does he not belong in a fucking horror movie? He should be in every single horror movie. Oh, yeah every single one. I wish he was in Creepshow. He could be great in Creepshow. Maybe it's because of your mindset. I know. Everybody does he dies in this ain't no that's gonna be hard. I'm not looking forward to watching John. Let's go die. I never enjoyed that my god. I didn't even think of that far. Mmm. That's gonna make that death hurt. I'm definitely gonna cry in the theater fuck. Well, let us know what you thought of pet cemetery and Child's Play. Yeah, because I think if we tally up the scores for both of these movies, they both get a five out of eight together. We'd be two out of five are 2.5 out of I think Child's Play wins. No because I gave it a 3 and you gave it a to okay, and we both gave okay. Yeah, so tie. Yeah. Hmm. Interesting. All right, so head to Twitter a 1000 has podcast and let us know what you thought. You can also head to our Facebook group at facebook.com groups / horror fiends of nof s we are controlling transmission. 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We asked 100 horror fans to name their most anticipated* remakes of 2019 and survey said CHILD'S PLAY (https://nofspodcast.com/first-behind-the-scenes-photo-of-chucky-for-the-upcoming-childs-play-reboot/) and PET SEMATARY (https://nofspodcast.com/trailer-lock-up-your-kitties-we-have-the-first-teaser-trailer-for-pet-sematary/) ! Join Kim and Jon on this week's episode of Nightmare on Film Street where we find ourselves knee-deep in kinder trauma and malevolent magic with Tom Holland's CHILD'S PLAY (1988) and Mary Lambert's PET SEMATARY (1989). *CHILD'S PLAY may not be anticipated, quiz was misleading. This week, Patreon supporters (https://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet)  can enjoy an exclusive companion episode where we continue the conversation on CHILD'S PLAY (1988) and PET SEMATARY (1989), and play a little game called “Deadly Dolls and Killer Kids” at http://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet. 