Episode 12 with has Coronel of conscious explorers. Welcome to the multi-dimensional revolution podcast with make him a call the premise underpinning discussions on this podcast is that life extends beyond the physical dimension?But death is not the end of life that we're all connected energetic lie with each other both in the physical Dimension and across dimensions and that there is a purpose to our life that involves growth healing and assistance to each other. We will be having conversations to expand your Consciousness help you connect with your essential self and live life as an integrated multi-dimensional human being but given the subject matters. I have a request don't believe in anything including what is shared here experiment do your own research have your own experiences in always use discernment and musical introduction to this episode is The finished Fusion artist axle Tesla. The song is called reincarnation. My guest today is a london-based DJ kaas Coronel Casas. Not your average night club DJ. She has headlined many exclusive events for celebrities performed at The Wimbledon finals headlined the London gay pride Street party and had many amazing gigs both in the UK and all across the world. And we do talk a bit about the role of Music in her life and how that relates to her deeper passion for understanding and expressing Consciousness. Because of course that is the area Casas here to talk about I have known her online for some years as the founder of a Facebook group called conscious explorers. And I knew that she had a broad interest in all things Consciousness health and well-being. I did not appreciate however the extensive out of body experience background that you herself brings nor the intensity of her life struggles that drive her passion for healing and self-exploration. And I expect you'll be as moved by some of her stories as I was. We start the conversation with Kaz describing the role of out-of-body exploration in her life. And I found it interesting to compare compare her story with that of Gordon Finn from episode 10 of this podcast when he talked about having been trained to maintain his awareness and lucidity while out of the body by extra physical helpers. In Casas case she had a period of very intense out-of-body travel which seemed to be spontaneous. But at some stage quite abruptly was brought to an end with the awareness or some kind of communication that now it was time for her to focus on her physical life. And so there was quite a strong sense that this was induced Again by the extra physical helpers and her account really mirrored my own Of having an intense period that came to an end when it really felt like it was time to get on with physical life for awhile and both Gordon and Casas stories really made me wonder about how much control we actually have about out-of-body travel and how much we do still rely on the extra physical helpers to explore extra physical dimensions. So there is a lot of great information in this episode and I hope you enjoy it. I've been having obese since I was a kid and they were really terrifying for me because I didn't know what was going on. I didn't have anyone to speak to I wasn't trying to have out-of-body experiences as just finding myself floating around the house in what really did feel like Artis edit. Is that what they call it real time zone? Which is basically the physical reality rather than some kind of counterpart or stroll or yeah, absolutely in your parents in your childhood. Yeah, that's floating around. Yeah. I mean I see them sleeping. I think I even saw them having sex once, you know shit that you don't want to see and wasn't looking for and I was really really scared and I remember that well, I mean, I'm going on a tangent here to the bit. I was going to say Say but when I was when I first had my so when I was really little I would feel like the bed had grown and I was like, why is the bed grown and why is my face to the ceiling, you know, and then I would get this weird up and down thing happening and you know, I tried to make sense of it with all kinds of imagination. So you felt like you were going up and down. Yeah, but the bits growing the bread streaking the beds growing like what Going on, you know, and it was weird. It wasn't like dream stuff. It was a different texture different feel, you know, it's different. This is different. It's not like a dream and you know, I didn't even have the language to talk about it. And when I when we moved to a house when I was 7 years old. The one of the first nights I was there. I came out of 40. I went into my parents room. I saw them sleeping there. I was so scared and I came back into my body and it was with such a jolt that it threw me across the bed. I went flying to the other side of the room and my dad and mom came running into the room. Now my mark my both of my parents never speak about anything as a terror attack. They were very strict in their religion and they were just Dismiss everything but it was shocked because they was like what happened? I said I flew out of body and I would never even said that normally was because I was so disoriented I said, I flew out of body and I came back and my dad was like don't do that again. And then it was like I was like, oh my God, my dad's to acknowledge that this is a thing as I and that was even I didn't know that was even worse. You know, he's like just don't do that. Again. It's very bad you could get dis. Dislocated and not come back again. And you know, it will make you say would make it will it will make me kind of associated and I that I shouldn't be doing that and he said oh it happens to young girls sometimes. Okay. This is the weirdest thing but like anyway, anyway, it was years and years ago is of Really haven't quite traumatic experiences not having things like traumatic traumatic because you had no context. So right and you were like by yourself you're alone. What was traumatic about them? Well different things. I mean one one of the things that so yes, I was alone. It was weird. It wasn't I wasn't coming out of body think this is great. I was like what is going on and these were in the days before the internet and you know being able to talk to people about it. And then later on I just did start kind of reading some books about it and saw that it was a thing. But when I was about 16, I got what could be called as other entities trying to enter my body and there's many ways of, you know, interpreting what might have happened but the experience was that Different entities tries to jump on my body and try to take it over and I was really dumb and that was just the most frightening thing and that made me go to psychiatrist to you know to stop it. But what I should say it was that I was a very unhappy I was extremely unhappy I had a difficult childhood and lots of things were going on and I wasn't in a good place. So anyway, if you're doing that kind of stuff and you're in that kind of very negative energy then the kind of Is that you might manifest, you know are going to be a different kettle of fish and I've always been vulnerable. I mean, it's like it's like a physical person, right? If you're if you're vulnerable physically you're depressed. You're not very clear You Know You're vulnerable to physical intrusion people that take advantage of you and it's no different. Is it exactly that? I've always been like not wanting to talk about it too much because I don't want people Stopping worried that that's something that's going to happen because it can't happen and this you and this is what I learnt. It won't happen. Nothing bad will happen unless you allow it ultimately but if you're if you are very depressed and not really wanting to be there. Anyway, then of course you're basically saying, you know, I want to get out of this world then you know, it becomes a different experience, but I very rarely speak about it. Cuz you know I just there is nothing to fear but fear itself, but in some ways by speaking about it, I guess I feel like I can help you know, you can help it's important to have these conversations because lots of us struggle lots of people struggle and it's true and then it kind of perhaps normalizes. I mean, I went through a phase much as he described, you know where I was hearing. It's always feeling very unhappy in myself. And I was hearing all these voices in my head that thinking I was going crazy, you know that were very nasty and so on and I didn't understand, you know, if if this happened now, I would I would know you know that these are actually nasty people you know that are there that are kind of Harassing me I suppose so then you can support other, you know, if you see other people struggling with that, you know, you can you can support supports very true. And I think you know one of the times that I did open up about it. I don't know if you saw that video of mine that was a response to the nightmare documentary. So the nightmare documentary is a documentary about sleep paralysis and its people talking about how their lives have been completely ruined. Like they've had you know things like experiences of demonic beings and you know, all the kind of nightmare side of sleep paralysis. So there's a just explain maybe sleep paralysis. Basically you're lying in bed. You kind of wake up, but you can't move your body at all. So you're lying. They're consciously feeling out of control and as you say often often hearing or feeling or no or perceiving some kind of threatening presence around you. Right. Yes, I think this perhaps the scientific explanation which I suppose maybe is also a bit vague but the best explanation of it is that when you sleep your body goes into a like paralysis to stop you acting out your dreams and for people who don't have that mechanism, they might find themselves sleepwalking or in extreme cases, you know, attacking their partner in bed because they're living out what they're seeing. So it's just a sort of helpful evolutionary thing. But sometimes you can become conscious in that, you know, what's your body still in that state? And because the left brain has gone offline the right brain then sort of hallucinates what is happening? Because there are noises going on for example outside and normally when you are awake you would be like, oh, you know, that's the car or that's a car or that's wind or whatever but because the left brain isn't there it can't rationalize. So one of the Common hallucinations is that something's pressing on your chest because you've got a blanket on or a duvet or something like that. So there's a weight on you. And so, you know, it's this it can be very very terrifying. Obviously. Another explanation could be that there are beings that your you are picking up on and you're just in a particular State and actually in my response to the nightmare. I wanted to present different possible interpretations of what was going. On so I was you know, I was saying well, you know, it could be that because you're in a negative State because you're in a state of fear. It's just amplifying everything and you are then, you know, hallucinating all these dark and horrible things or it could be because you're in a state of fear, you are in a position of vulnerability and you are attracting, you know, some dark entities either way. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter because the only thing you have to do is transform that state of fear and very simply one of the things that you can do is just going to gratitude at this is what I found with sleep paralysis before anyone was telling me what to do with it because it's also very traumatic for me and I just would start reeling off being so I'm grateful for so when you do that your energy is just changes completely, you know, you're some me or in a much positive stay and actually it's gratitudes is quite similar to love, you know, you're so thankful for all these amazing things and those Experiences with just the slip away and what I wanted to do in that video is explain to these people that this thing that had traumatized they're hot them. Their whole life is actually one of the biggest gifts they could ever imagine. If only they knew how to use it because sleep paralysis is the most wonderful gateway to the out-of-body experience, you know, it's a very easy way to to have an out-of-body experience and if you're naturally predisposed to to having it then it's an amazing guy. Gift. Yeah, so maybe let's just talk about that because you've talked about how out-of-body experience to really traumatic for you in the beginning and now you're emphasizing. What a great gift. They are. So maybe just talk about how that's how that shift happened for you from. Yes. So actually this gets back to the point that I was going to make earlier. So I mean to give you a little background of what happened. I moved into a disused school. What's quarters we were Guardians of the building and there was about 20 of us there and my neighbor who's in the classroom next to me asked me if I would like to go to a Buddhist talk on lucid dreaming. So I knew at this age. She lost think that was in 2010 or 2009 sometime like that. I knew much more about lucid dreaming and and output experience, but I sort of lumped them. I'm in the same category as things that I wanted to avoid and that were bad. And and when he said the Buddhists were giving a talk on it. I really got my attention because I thought the buddies are amazing people, you know, they're full of kindness and compassion. If they're doing this kind of thing, you know, I've sort of put it as a dark art. You don't know don't mess for their like black magic even though I'd had some amazing lucid dreams, but still are scared of it, you know, and anyway, so he was like come along so I went along and then I learned that the Buddhists use lucid dreaming as a sort of way to well. Basically what they're doing is that they're their belief is that you want to stay conscious during the dying process. because if you can do that, you can direct where you go and you won't be suddenly shocked and confused and lost, you know, you can imagine that if you If you're walking down the street and you suddenly get hit by a car and you're not expecting to die, just like what the hell's going on, you know, you're there with all your beliefs and all your hopes and all your sense of self and everything and suddenly boom it's over so they said dying is very very confusing perhaps less. So if you're 95 and you're expecting it to happen any day for a few years. Yeah. So what they really want you to do is to train to stay conscious. So when that process happens and sleeping is like a training for that because it's like a little mini death that happens every night. So to stay conscious throughout the whole night is is very very tricky because obviously you want the body to sleep and the body can sleep. You can go completely to sleep and stay conscious throughout the whole night, but that's hard. So one of the ways to sort of enter this It's lucid dreaming because that's a little bit of that. You become conscious in the dream and you know, you can maintain Consciousness for of certain part and then you know, they sort of lured people in with all the fun things. You can do in lucid dreaming the the Buddhist it yeah, I mean, you know, Charlie would probably shouts at me now, but I kind of get that's what's going on. I mean, obviously there are loads of fun things. You could do lose it. Dreams, you can go and fly and have sex with everyone you want and this that and another but I don't think the word is care for you to do that. Really what they'd like you to do is made at a and stay conscious and present but that's probably not so appealing so, you know that it's always like the first bit is yet get conscious to have fun and then you know now we can practice and that, you know, you don't for the Buddhist practice. You don't need to be lucid dreaming at all. You could go into conscious you could be I'm just all through the night without having any sort of dream narrative happening. So that was my first sort of Entry really into seeing like okay lucid dreaming is a great thing and then I started from that exploring, you know, people who were teaching out of body experiences and getting their take on that and also seeing that the Buddhist even though they didn't really teach about it this particular lineage whose name I will never get It writes. I'm not going to attempt it. Yeah, but there are four lineages main lineages and this particular one. Did you use out of body experiences? But only a very very high level but they were still using it. So I was like, okay, so maybe it's not this evil thing. I thought it was and it just this knowledge. I suppose that it was okay just open this Floodgate Of experiences like it was amazing once once I realized that there's nothing to fear. the pair itself Suddenly I was doing things like so I had previously gone out the house before but only just very reluctantly and with absolute Terror. Yeah. Now I was boldly like going out the house as you know, I got my body I'd get in my out my robe and I'm like, right I'm going on an adventure, you know and interesting think the interesting thing about that is as soon as that happened so my energy shifted and I was in In a completely different energy. I was excited I was happy and what would happen then is that I would shift into these astral planes if you like different dimensions. Yes, it's always very difficult this conversation because the conversation of how to explain the different kind of out-of-body experiences that one can have and you know, I remember there was a there's a Facebook group of people who have out-of-body experiences we want Tried to categorize it, you know a sort of unified categorization of the different types of out-of-body experiences at it. It's very hard to put into words, but it in very simplistic terms when I was in a very low energy. I felt like I was always on the physical plane and the higher my energy got its like I got into different planes and I don't really like the description of levels. Like this, but because we live in this kind of you know 3D world. It's I don't really know how else to articulate it but it feels to me that you have the physical plane and then you have what some people describe and I describe it as the energetic duplicate. I think some people call it the esoteric plane where it looks like the physical plane, but it's slightly different. Let's just want there's always a clue. There's a clue that it's not the physical plane your rumors. Perfectly tidy but there's a sock on the floor. You know, it's not there. That's the only way I know sometimes I'm like, okay, I'm non-physical because I know that sock is not there. So I don't know who's doing this. Who's do you who's putting the clue there? Am I that's another big question. But the point is that there's a clue and from there. The next one is the astral world's which again that word astral is filled with dogma and theosophical and like all kinds of theories that I don't necessarily want to bring in using that word but people who go out of body will know what the astral is and the astral is different, you know, it's not the physical plane. It's very colorful. I find the colors of very strong primary colors and everything's bigger. Everything's just big in a expansive way and it's wonderful. It's a wonderful wonderful place and it seems to me that everything has its astral counterpart. So there's a natural counterpart of my school. My old house of different countries, you know, I always recognize it like oh, this is the Astro version of my school my old school. For example people. You meet people when you're in those places. Yes. Yes, and obviously on the astral one, you can meet all kinds of interesting looking characters that aren't you know, I remember once interacting a lot with this guy who had a bird head, you know, much like the Egyptian. Yes. Ah, let's see. So yeah, obviously everything is much more flexible there and the lucid dream space. So another way to get into the astral plane is from the lucid dream space that there's like a Venn diagram crossover and that's always another point of difficult conversation how to explain that but if I'm in a lucid dream I can make a decision that I'd like to be saying the ASL version of House and then find myself there and I have had some like proof If you like that I can get some data that's valid from a place that I've never been to before. It's usually a bit wrong. But if there's enough there to for me to go. Okay, I'm picking something up. So I'll give you an example. There was a guy I think his name was Art Oreo or something like that. Can't quite remember his name, but he was on a Facebook for him and he did not believe in the external validity of out-of-body experiences or astral projection or anything like that. So he put a test. He was like, right. Well if it's real someone come to my house and tell me what the photo is on my wall and I said, I'll do it because in those days I just hit was having out-of-body experiences like I could go to the shop like they were so easy for me, which is my point that I must get back to you. Don't let me forget about the period of time of when I just had the most magnificent out-of-body experiences. So anyway, I was like, yeah, I'll come tonight. You know, it's that easy and he was like, okay great and it was a huge discussion. I just remember there was loads of people on that thread. So it was this is what is in your in your Facebook group contrast. It wasn't mine. No, it wasn't conscious explorers. It was asked for projectors. I think I think that's what it's called. Yeah, but all The Usual Suspects were there so they probably remember it, you know yoga was there and I think Helen was there and there was all kinds of, you know weird and wonderful people there. So I was like, okay, I'll come tonight and he said where's your house and he gave me the address, so I went to his house and I knew that I hadn't got there physically. And I will just say that I came up with this theory that it's it's easier to be on the physical plane when your energy is very very low because it's dense and I think it's incredibly hard to get on the physical when you're not super depressed and Associated which is why I think not many people are able to prove things on it. If your energy is higher, you just don't have it nailed it you don't stick around. I found it. I did do it I did do Do it once and again in 2011, but I found it very hard. Anyway, so I went to his house on the astral level and I came back and I reported what I saw and I reported that the walls the color of the room was a certain color. I think this is correct. And also I said, it's not a photo it's a drawing and there's a thin brown frame. Found it and I described it, you know in quite a lot of detail and I said it's a picture of a house. It's a hand-drawn picture of a house. I said you trick you trick me. So it was a photo. So what happened was he said, right? Okay. So the room was not the color the walls was not the color that I thought but it had to be it had been in the past right also the picture it was a hand-drawn. Picture it did have the thin frame but it was a picture of him having an out-of-body experience because he'd have them he had had them all his life, but he had categorized them all as hallucinations so he could have them but he just didn't believe in it being an external phenomena is quite common. Yes. Yeah. So obviously I failed from a scientific point of view to nail what it was, but I remember the whole discussion probably fine. They're if you searched long enough and I remember somebody like yoga and saying, well you picked up, you know, you could say that the house is like a body because it houses you you picked up elements of it. You know, I got that it was a drawing. That was pretty good. Hit the frame the frame. Yeah. So in my heart I was like, okay, I'm happy with that. You know wasn't I and yeah, I can explain. Something similar that he'd done something. He told me a story where I think he saw Post-it notes, I suggest everybody just just bench explain for people listening you organ is Jurgen Ziva. Who's your Chase multi-dimensional man? And a number of other excellent books on them? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, he is amazing. Yeah. Sorry. I should explain when I'm talking about people. Yeah, so he describes something so In his, you know, picking up bits of information but not getting the whole thing which by the way does not prove that you are having an external experience. Let's that there's still many other theories could be telepathic remote viewing remote viewing. Yes. It is. It's a great example because there were really has been there's a real shortage of what we would cook classified as hard science proves. I think the only one I really know is still Charles Tarts 1960s study. I don't know if you remember that one of its a woman who accurately recorded a five-digit number. I think it was. Yeah apart from that. You know, I've heard quite a few different accounts similar to yours where people get bits, you know that almost. Close or so on but great Nichols has had a few pretty remarkable hits and he saw the Soho bombing in incompetence. I think a week before it happened and he spoke to a whole class of people telling them what he saw and then a week later. It happened bombing, which you can't get more accurate than that. He cognitive and he had that as an out-of-body was an out-of-body experience. It was an out-of-body experience here and he's had other ones at that. So I mean I without doubt believe that you can have precognitive experiences. I've had quite a few myself and I've seen enough evidence to know that it's a thing it's not always spot on which there's many theories about why that might be too. Yeah, Anthony Peak. Incredible writer of 11 books would say that we've lived those lives before and then perhaps we picking up details because we've suddenly found ourselves maybe on a similar timeline to a previous life and that's why we're able to gather that data. I was actually just on the threat where he was commenting and about this was about Déjà Vu experiences and saying there was something like seventy three different theories about it. So there's a lot Lat, yeah. Yeah love it though. I would like to I would like to kind of go back to come back around you were telling us about that that period of time yes. Yes. I'm curious to hear. You know how whether you use OBS now and how they happen to you now, but but you did sort of imply that there was this period was especially intense. Yes, so there was a time so what am I found my freedom with it, and I found just pure Boy and happiness. It was like a door was open and a lot of the time. I would get pulled. I just get pulled that I mean, that's the best way of explaining it as if someone had grabbed me from my hair but in a nice way and I literally pulled me out of body and I would just put in the request. You know, I'd like I'd like to do this. I'd like to do that and it was effortless and when I would come back I could I could open my eyes and then go to the toilet go and have a conversation with someone come back. Boom. I'm out again. In fact, I was telling Anthony this story just the other day. There was one time. Okay. So there's there was a city that I used to visit all the time called zeri and I just called it my astral City. I just loved it there so much. I just felt pure joy. They spoke Hebrew there. They didn't speak it out loud. Everything was telepathic. However, there were places where they did have out loud speaking because it was part of the atmosphere and one of those places was a Marketplace so you would hear all the voices. Has and and there were signs of obviously as there would be in any City and the signs were in Hebrew. I don't speak Hebrew, but my dad is of a Sephardic Jewish lineage and he did speak Hebrew, but I have never learnt it and I literally it's so vivid. It was so clear in my mind that I could remember. I could remember the word. You know, I have terrible memory, but with those experiences they were clear as As if they were happening there in my mind and so I could look up the word. I was like that means Stadium, you know in Hebrew, that's crazy. And one time I went to Zuri and I met this lady and she came and I was in love with her. She was totally not my type in real life, but I just felt this absolutely love and Affinity with her and in a weird way. It wasn't even sexual. It was it was just on another level. Anyway, she came back to me. Me too. She came back with me to my room and I was just like I've got to get up. I've got to go and do something. I mean, you know, I'll be back in about 10 minutes and I got up and went and did some things and I came back close my eyes immediately. She was there lying in bed next to me immediately. No, no time techniques nothing she was there and then I was like should we go back to Terry and we went back to the dairy. And you know just was buzzing with this and I thought I thought everybody can do this. Everyone can do this. I just need to tell people you just need to you just need to believe it. You just need to you know program your subconscious mind. You just tell it and it will happen and you know that happened for about a year or so, and I used to write up my experiences and talk about it a lot as very very very vocal. Oh about it and then one day I was told. You need to go and sort out your life your actual life. And this door is going to be closed. It's not going to be like shut but we're not going to help you anymore. And we're not, you know, it's time for you to do that. And also I was also told that I needed to change the direction of my group which at the time was completely focused at my groups conscious explorers. Okay, you're in started that you started that by then already. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's not conscious explorers. I mean cooked conscious explorers was an idea that came to me just to give you a little back story. I won't get too lost on that tangent, but When I started finding out how wonderful out-of-body experiences and all this stuff could be it came to me very strongly you must start a group and I had a massive phobia of public speaking then and I really really really didn't want to start a group and I had this whole argument in my head for a long time like, you know with the voice was saying You must be meetups you must teach about this you must talk about it and I was like, oh, no, you know, even the idea of speaking of front of one person terrified me. I was really really scared but it would not leave me alone. And in the end I was like, okay and it's funny because I'd been trying to find the name for an album with my friend who'd been agonizing over name for about two months. And I was like, well, what am I going to call it? And it came immediately conscious explorers us. Okay fine. I did it and so then I did start teaching I did start putting up on meetups and you know little by little Two people lived three and you know, obviously I got more confident at it. And so the group was very very focused on out-of-body experience lucid dreaming just Consciousness. Basically. Yeah at the same time that my going back to this other story that this door was coming to a close. I was told Focus conscious explorers on things to do with in the real world, and I'm not going to use the real world. This is a physical law waking World physical life. Yeah. Let's call it. Yeah waking reality. I feel more comfortable with and they and it and it said things like, you know Health well being sustainable living even things like Cutting Edge science just stuff that will enrich people's lives in the The Waking physical reality not to stop the Consciousness. Therefore the lucid dreaming of the out-of-body stuff just Don't make it the whole focus and that's is what happened like the group but the group content became much broader as as it is. I mean, I don't know how long you've been in it. And if you noticed that shift if you were there from the start, you definitely have noticed it. I don't remember to be honest. I've been it's been years some years, you know, but I couldn't tell you. Yeah, well that's what happened and and I did stop focusing on my life and And actually not straight away and I had a lot of things to sort out a lot of things to sort out, which I've only just sort of wrapping up the end of that sorting out as Ben. I mean it shocks me to think that it's been about eight years of sorting things out. Is that correct? I need to just double-check those. I need to double-check that because I doesn't even seem right. Maybe I've got my dates wrong. It seems mental that it's been that long. But anyway, however long it's been it's just coming to a place where I've sorted out the things I needed to sort out and it's come to me again that I can go back more into this out-of-body. Tough and the lucid dreaming stuff. So to answer your question of before of like I did continue to have out-of-body experiences. I did consider it continues to have a lucid dreams, but they were normal. I might just pop out and be my room for a little bit or you know had they were just they were ordinary in a way they weren't the ones I had before they were felt like they they threw the whole night, you know, they were hours long. Yeah, they were in a Clarity that was more Vivid than waking life far more Vivid. You know it just this it really did and spend my whole ideas of reality because I was like this is this is nothing compared to that, you know, and we use vividness as a sort of marker of what's real. We think. So do you think there was a risk of maybe sort of alienating yourself a bit from your physical life that you would so focused on on the extra physical? Yes. Yeah, some people like to say that there isn't a risk people like to say I would take it but yes, I was happy out there and I wasn't happy here. I wasn't happy here. Also. I had no physical problems out there. I was Re you know, my body was like a superhuman because you can see as far. Yeah, you can hear things and Clarity you can see as far as well. It's I don't know if it's infinite, but you can see incredibly far you can zoom in and see atoms. You know, it's absolutely incredible here. I had a whole bunch of big big problems and and sometimes I would come back. I had a partner at the time. And I was it's so mind-blowing. You know, I wake up next to her and I it's been like I did it was like I'd been taken away by aliens gone and experience this whole other world and then being deposited back and I just would be like gobsmacked. You know, I'd be you cannot believe what I've just been through, you know, it's very hard to share with another person if they're not if they're experiencing the same thing right? It's kind of meaningless. Play yeah, exactly and she wasn't experiencing the same kind of thing. But one day I I don't know if I manipulated the situation. I probably did I implanted some sort of suggestions and words. Actually. He did have an experience and I'm very grateful that she did have that experience because you know opened her mind to I mean, she was always very courteous about if you like, you know, she wouldn't sort of outwardly judge me or say anything. Nothing bad, but you know, you just wonder like what is going you know, when you tell people this you think they're not there. They're politely going up. Well, that sounds interesting. But you're thinking in the back of the head there thinking I'm completely mad or that I'm worse that I'm lying. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was it was it was something absolutely extraordinary. And oh the other thing I would say is that sometimes I came back and it was like I didn't quite come back properly and at the Time I was doing some courses at the IAC the International Academy of Consciousness, and they said they said that can happen and and and it does it look again like my dad's warning, you know, I was completely spaced out for the whole day. I just was not there. It didn't happen all the time. Sometimes I would come back and I feel invigorated, you know, just buzzing, you know from this experience. But yeah. Yeah, I that doll was that help no one ever pulled me again that pulling feeling never happened again after that and they're very it's like a dreamt about it sometimes and I had lucid dreams about it and I had a couple experiences that felt like a sort of drunken version of it hard to explain but they were blurry and weird and short very short, but I've tried and tried and tried to get back there. In that massive Clarity in that same way and no one's helping me. And so yeah, I realized that They were bright anyway, but they whoever is on something else right now. Yeah, yeah because we're here for well. I say we're here for a reason. I'd like to think we're here for a reason. I was gonna ask you if you have it. Do you have a sense? I mean II one of my questions he was going to be like the fact that you started the group and that you you know, you started those meetups. It does give gives a sense that you have a sort of a feeling of purpose. All right. There's a purpose to your life. There's a reason why Here. Yes, I mean, okay on the one hand. I have a very strong sense of the things that I feel to do if that makes sense. I don't want to use the word should but it seems very clear. Actually. It used to be it used to traumatize me literally because there was so many things there are so many things. I felt I should do. Wanted to do all felt like the right thing to do and I thought I used to be like no, you can't do all these things right? It's not possible and it's just stop it and weirdly one day another tangent. Sorry. I went to a book launch of a guy called David McCready who wrote a book called. I think it's called you are not here and it's got picture of the Earth and he points at it and it's a he has a body experiences and I walked into the room listened to his talk and after. He talked a lot about Spirit guides after he came up to me and he said you have got so many Spirit guides. They are all pulling you in a whole load of different directions and my sister was with me. She just burst out laughing because she was like, that's so true. She's always been take like a million things. So, I don't know if that's if that's the case or not. But going back to the Consciousness. Go back to the question. I eventually thought never mind that I'm being pulled in all these directions. Let's just do them. Just do them all do it, you know, so I started doing them and I do have a very strong sense of what those things are. So that that is true. So in answer to the question, do we have a purpose? It's a bit of a tricky one because they're at some level. I feel like this place is a bit of a game and I was thinking about this earlier. A lot of people say we're here to learn. And I'm not sure if that's a hundred percent accurate. If you were playing a game there would be things that you should learn and things that you would learn in the game because that's how you get better at it. And I think that's true. But I think we're fundamentally here to experience. That's really what it's about. And certainly yeah, we will learn things to make our experience more favorable to us, but actually that's kind of the view I take now and which is quite against a lot of people's views at that. You know, they look at it much more seriously and obviously people are suffering and awful awful things are happening. However, if you think about a nightmare if you're having a nightmare, you know, you can really be an absolute hell but you wake up eventually and it's okay, you know, that was just a nightmare and I kind of I think that might be going on here. I think it's probably quite a controversial View and lot of people not like it but various things have led me to believe that and actually when the Buddhists say, I think the Dalai Lama said, you know, the one of the worst things you can do is take life too. Seriously. I think that sort of sums it up in a way, you know, we're here to it's like I mean when you say it's like a dream, I'm sure that's plenty of people have said that right and for some it. Yeah. I'm it's a nightmare. Yes. Not a very pleasant dream. Yeah. Is that sort of what you're yeah for sure. I mean, it's definitely been a nightmare for me. A lot of the time 50% of the time has been a massive Nightmare and fifty cents end of the time. It's been incredible dream, but certainly there's a lot of experiencing going on but does greater Consciousness need to learn anything. I don't think so. It's creating. It's creating. That's what's happening. Creating. Just going off everywhere. Is there some you know deep thing that we need to learn not really because we already know I think you know when you learn something like that you it resonates because you're like, I know that's truth. That's how you know truth. You just know it you you know when you hear it, so when you say greater Consciousness, are you are you suggesting you're saying? That we are all part of some greater Consciousness. Yes, I think an analogy that I like is that we're all cells in a body. So, you know when you think about it like that this little Sail on the end of my finger is just as relevant as this little cell here and they are unique and individual and they haven't completely different experiences and doing completely different things and yet they make up Me so where am I would you know settle are you yeah. Yeah. I've no I'm this Collective another wonderful analogy for me personally is how I feel about a crowd when I DJ the crowd is individuals all different, you know, and especially if I'm doing some sort of party where they have a come specifically for that kind of music, so they're all different individuals with different tastes and different whatever. But at some point if I do my job, well, they will become cohesive and they will become a crowd and the way I then respond to the crowd is is almost like a new entity. It's magical when it happens. It's absolute magic and I think it's like this, you know, which bit is the see another analogy that little bit there or that bit there. But yet we call it, you know the Atlantic Ocean. Well, I'd like to go back to that DJ and algae because I did actually want to ask you about you. Music and how it because I feel they must be a strong link between that expression of yours and you're interested in Consciousness. And I actually that it's interesting, you know, you feel that as the DJ the crowd coming as one but I also think that that's one of the things that we as individuals individual entities, really enjoy and Thrive is being at a party that or at a dance party that turns Into an event where you feel like you're just all one, you know flowing together with the with the with the music. It's a very connecting experience. Yeah. So how does that for you? Yeah, just maybe talk a bit about that. How do you feel your something's coming through you quite strongly? Yeah, and that's funny expression in music. So maybe talk a bit about that. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean what you're talking about on a biological perspective is me. In neurons and so, you know you can dance on your own and that's great like moving the body. We were designed to move and things get trapped if you don't move, so just being able to freely Move Yourself is one of the most healing things you can do anyway and music gives it gives you overactive mind. I'm not yours particularly but ones that overactive mind and ability to latch onto something so that it can actually just let go you know, and they were Motions can follow it. And that's fabulous. That's a fabulous thing to do that you can do on your own but when you come together with a group of people and you do that collectively you you're in a resonance, you know, these mirror neurons fire together and it connects and to me that's I mean it it makes me want to cry when I think about it. I just it's the most beautiful. There's nothing better. I think than you know, I'm saying with the with the group of people in you know, listening to something that you absolutely love and moving yourself freely. This is why I think things like five rhythms are absolutely incredible super healing kind of you know, what that is. I know what yeah, you might not have that. So here we have a few types of this sort of thing. It's called five rhythms ecstatic dance. There's some other ones and it's basically creating a space. Place where people are really encouraged to move their bodies very freely. So expressively as you want in the way that you couldn't necessarily do a club because one you don't have so much room until you're probably going to be self-conscious but is okay. Is it a communal event or is it a yeah. Yeah. It's a communal event. So like, you know a whole load of people come and and they play the five Rhythm specifically plays five different types of styles of music. A once very kind of peaceful. I don't even know what they are once chaotic. I can't remember the others but there's a journey of different styles and it took me ages to go to one. You know, I was very resistant. I was like, oh, I don't really feel like expressing dancing your fat really shy even though that was my whole career, you know, which is ridiculous. But when I did go I was like, wow, this is absolutely incredible because you're sort of encouraged into it and before you know it you do free yourself and it's literally so healing and you're not you're not looking at anyone else and you're not even necessarily dancing with anyone else. But yet you feel them there you feel their their freedom their expression and you buzz off that but sure you pick up off the energy, you know, like when you're dancing You're maybe not so much in the mood. But your kind of bobbing along and then suddenly this like really hyper dancer just pops up near your he starts dancing at you really kind of excitedly and you you you feed off it. You're beautiful. Yeah. Yeah liberates you and it's it's just it's magical. I just it's just yeah, I don't know how to put it into words and two DJ's such a it's such a Gift, you know, I feel so honored and privileged to be able to do that, you know to sort of I suppose it's in a way like a shame and would would sort of lead a journey that you're going on. It's a very personal Journey that you're going on say if you were to take Ayahuasca or something like that. It's very personal. It's going on inside you and but they're gently kind of guiding the way. With it to sort of open up this path and I suppose DJing is is like that and and it's and there's such communication. That's what I love about it, you know, always when I start TJ, you know, I'm always a bit like, you know, I have to get into it. It doesn't happen straight away. I need a few songs to sort of right? Okay, even just simple things like like yesterday. I was DJing and one of the Dex Dex went off immediately. Just three seconds for hours about start and because I used to so I always have that mean sorry. I've got cdjs cdjs that I put my USB sticks in and I can use them to DJ and and one of them just it just went off. I don't know if there was a power cut or something made it go and you know that doesn't usually happen but my point being they fixed. It was fine. But the point is that you know, there's always a few minutes of like is all my equipment gonna work. You know, she's everything there's always that so that woman you like a performing at me. Yeah, but yeah it is. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So it takes a little while but then there comes a point where you can actually start, you know interacting with the crowd, you know, you looking at each other and you're feeling each other. In fact, it's quite magical. There's been times. I swear I there was a time where I was DJing to in Brighton Pride to a huge Street party and something went wrong and they had to move me into a room a room. That was so far away from the crowd. I couldn't see or even hear them. So they were still broadcasting my music to them, but I couldn't hear them but I I felt like I could feel them even without seeing or hearing them. I could feel it. I don't know if I was imagining it, but you know, I was getting Text through go these amazing job. So hopefully I was getting it right. Well, you can feel energy I guess right. I mean with all the work that you do that would be an experience that will be part of it feeling energy of people and crowds and feel how the vibe goes up and down and yeah Yes, actually I imagine you can feel sometimes if there's like certain amount of drugs or something in the space and that would influence the vibe salute absolutely and I have to say that, you know my favorite part. Parties some of my favorite parties, you know, the conscious Raves were no one's on anything. They're totally drug and alcohol free. I mean the energy at those parties is usually superb always superb and people are so up for dancing. You know, they don't need anything. They are you they've usually do go to a lot of these kind of five Rhythm classes. So they're quite happy to just be expressive and they're just absolutely amazing, but you know what I've gone to really dark Energy Total Drug Raves and there and I've enjoyed them to their just enough very different level. And yeah, you have to work with it. You you do you feel it and then you you know respond accordingly to what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of fun. You know, it's supposed. Yeah. It's kind of a an Alchemy in a way music is a drug in itself. And you know, it's amazing. What? It's amazing how you can change an atmosphere alternate, you know, there's been times where I thought I could drop this tune, but it's going to create a riot like this girl. This Crown is very very hyper. They're all you know, even even a fun way, but there's a lot of energy it's getting a little bit of gressive. If I drop this to they are going to go mad, you know, and I'm like now let's not take it in that direction so you can change the vibe. You can change the you know, you take yeah. Take the crab in either direction. Yes, exactly. And yeah, I suppose it is, you know, it's feeling in there and just knowing when it's got too high because it does get too high, you know, you can only keep going up for so long and then you get exhausted so you have to bring it down. And yeah, it's it's it's it's energy work. I suppose that that's an accurate way of looking at it, but it's a co-creation, you know, it's absolutely You know, everybody makes it and everyone has an equal part to play in it. So yeah, it's teamwork. But yeah, there's a point there's a point where we're like, right we're one now, we're together on this and the people that might not even like that kind of music are now involved because they feel that they feel that you know cohesive energy and your music is so extremely powerful and it's why you know, it was a big thing, you know for people Like Hitler for example new the power of music and just using it to stir massive emotion because it is it does it connects people and it's does people so, you know, you can use it in for good and for bad, but certainly it's powerful its powerful. Yeah, and even if you call it here it is powerful, you know, I think I've heard that there was a place where a lot of deaf people used to come or is the DJ because it was a gay place and they said they felt I felt less judge there. That was that's why they said they came I don't even know if they were gay themselves. I don't think my work but they would you know, they would dance just as much because they can feel the they can feel the rhythm of the Russians and the just the energy of the other people. So yeah, don't even have to hear it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah magical stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to talk a bit about some of the broad topic of healing. And I know that's been something that's been really really big for you. Yeah, and You know you mentioned and I can remember where I picked this up. I watched videos of your videos. I read some of your content online but you you talked about this Loop busting therapy that you've developed and that came about conquering as you described it a 17 year battle with extreme bipolar depression, which sounds what you kind of alluded to before about nightmarish aspects to your life. Yes. Yes, and then somehow you work through that and came up created this tool that really helped you and other people from what I see about it online. Yeah. So yeah, maybe can you talk a bit about you know, how does bipolar depression manifest and then how did you tackle that? Yeah, so I had Something that was unusual in that bipolar there's different types. But usually the classic one is that you're depressed for maybe a couple of months and then you'll find for say four months and then you're totally depressed for two months. What I had was I would go from suicidal to euphoric every 3/4 of a day and the interesting to see if I did I say 17 years gosh, that must have been when I started the loop busting thing. to be honest, the battle has continued until like I'm still I've still been battling up till recently with that has much improved and I think think I've cracked it but it was the most extreme hell because it's just this up and down at such a rapid Pace to be absolutely I'm going to end my life now, it's all over and then, you know just a few hours later to be like I feel like I've figured out the whole of everything. I feel Euphoria and Enlightenment and then for that to flip, you know, it's just just that cycling process extremely exhausting and actually that has had a knock-on effect because it's been very very difficult for my body. You know, that that sort of up and down is is burns out your adrenal glands. Suddenly or you know, it's caused me to have chronic fatigue a point because also living that kind of lifestyle and what what sort of biologically was occurring was that I was not I was not able to regulate serotonin dopamine or noradrenaline so they would just fly from one extreme to the other. And DJing came as an absolute blessing because I couldn't hold on any job at all. Just just useless but what would happen was if I was in what I call the coma state which would happen, you know when I was getting into that low and I just can't move. I'm just I'm no energy nothing. The only thing that would could pull me out of that was something that required a lot of adrenaline like I needed a lot of adrenaline so I could Feel suicidal and like okay, it's over I can't do anything and then it would be you know five minutes before I have to leave the house to get to the gig I'd suddenly think. Oh my God, if you do not turn up you're gonna let down, you know a thousand people and it's a special event that them like get up go and then you know that push adrenaline would pull me out of that state no matter when I was in it. And I would just fly as fast as I can to my gig and then when I was there. I would find myself in almost total presence because I it's just a kind of in a kind of catastrophe because usually I'm you know, I just have a plan for anything because I just thought my life was going to be over earlier and then I would be there and just have to deal with a situation now and suddenly then all my chemicals have just gone boom. And you know, I would do the gig and you know, I'd be too high after that briefly and then that would crash and but at least I could do that job I could do DJing because because of that what I probably could have done any job as long as it had very high adrenaline steaks. Like if I had to be what was the other job. I thought I could probably do like a negotiator, you know when like so there's been a kidnapping. Or anything in crisis, you know, basically that would that would be something that might I could handle because I need I needed that level of adrenaline to do that. But that is a hellish hellish kind of challenge way to live and there's a lot going on. This is a long conversation and I don't know what depth to go into it, but I can now see that these patterns were created from like childhood stuff. The way I was brought up and stare strategies that it was a strategy for various coping mechanisms as all these kind of things always are And one of the things that I learned with the loop busting so I had again it was around that same time when I was having the obes that I was liberated from some of this I was going to ask you whether that that help did that somehow shift that Dynamic it did at the time but this is why it's interesting because once that door was closed. I was then I was back with my project. Yes. Yeah, so that's interesting why I wrote that and I That I need to look back into that because that battle didn't end there it I thought it did but what I did discover was that I would you know, I had so much therapy. I've had so many different kinds of therapies. You wouldn't believe to try and find the answer to this this craziness. And what I learned was that in therapy a lot. A lot of the therapy's that I went to you're just talking about your story again and again and again and again and again, in fact, you can intellectually know your story so well. Well and yet you haven't got to the root of the problem because it's not in this story so much know there's a reason why at the bottom line there's a reason why your subconscious is set up this problem or this this issue and it's usually because it's trying to protect you from something. So you'll fizzing around talking about stories. It's just leaving you on one level your subconscious to still got this nailed like, you know, there's a reason Doing it and it's doing it for your own good. It's just it's no longer for your own good maybe once upon a time. It was so you've got to get to that reason so that you can let it go. It's the bottom line and with Luke busting I discovered a way of its kind of like cross-examining someone if you put someone on the stand at a court case you listen to their story and then you'll say well, hang on a second that that doesn't add up with this bit of your story. Tori so that will always be the case because the story isn't really the reason so they'll always be holes in the plot of the story. It's just that the person saying it can't hear those those holes so you can say to them. Well, this doesn't add up, you know, you've said this but that's not true. You know that there are statements that people use like beliefs that they sort of hold like, well, you know men can't be trusted. They might say something like that. For example Apology seems like example. That's fine. It just came to my they might say, you know, I'm never gonna find someone I could be with because you know, I get it but at the end of the day, you know, man can't be trusted. So that's that's an all damning belief. I was like, well, that's not true. Is it you know, that might be the case of all the men that you've experienced in your life, but that that is not universally true. So if it if you tell someone that they're not going to To they're not going to hear it because they're in a trance. They have been hypnotized by their story. So what I found was that by asking questions that they are answered and not pointing out. I'm not telling them anything I'm saying. Okay, you've given me your story. So you said this is that right? Yeah. Okay, right. Let's talk some more we talk some more and then I say well, hang on a second earlier you said this and now you're saying that What's which one's true because they can't both be true. And then they're like there's nothing they can say because they said it they're the ones that said it so they're like, oh, hang on a second something's wrong and you can see their brain start to kind of freak out a bit because they realize that the doesn't add up. So then they have to give you more explanations. If you keep doing that repeatedly the story breaks down it just so is this something I did with yourself? I when you say they I mean, I'm almost having this impression that it's the conversation you're having with yourself and you've got this other know if you see what I see. I see us as having, you know, a number of different parts that constitute our psychological world and write its manifest in different ways. And you kind of have that kind of you having these conversations with yourself or no, so when I'm using this example, so I'm using it when someone would come to me with a story and as a as a loop Buster in reality to do this with yourself is extremely high. It's because you've told yourself a story like I told myself a story I will never be able to public speak because I had all kinds of reasons, you know, I was brought up in a strange religion where we couldn't express our emotions. And so the idea of trying to talk to a group of people was the most terrifying thing ever. So that would be my story. I can't I can't public speak because of this, you know, so that so if I then try and find the holes in my own plot of y That's not correct. I'm not gonna be able to do because my subconscious is operating, you know, so you need someone external someone external to kind of pick the I think you do. I think you do and yeah, so weren't yes. I'm talking about it from that perspective. I'm trying to think how I came across this. So did you did you have that did you do that work with someone someone do that kind of work with you and that that helped. Well, yes, I'll tell you what happened part of what happened was that I did a NLP course and it's not someone very generously gave me an NLP course and a lot of you know what NLP is neuro-linguistic programming. Yeah, a lot of what they taught. I wasn't a great fan of I didn't really like it but what they said about beliefs and you know how they're running we have scripts that run us, basically Did really resonate and I sort of took that and adapted it and I thought you know, I need to get beat. I need to get beyond the story because only then can I see what's what and can I let this go so, you know even even just a few days ago. I got seriously triggered by a member of my family and I thought afterwards I had to sort of come out the other side. Cuz once you've been triggered it's a nightmare, you know, you've just in that space. It's like someone makes you angry can't immediately figure it out. He just have to let it go and then in hindsight you can look back and I thought do I actually need to go into that state when that happens like yes, they're doing something that's very horrible. You know anyone would be reasonably upset, but do I need to be do I need to be affected in this way? And it wasn't until I could really understand. This is actually got absolutely nothing to do with you. You know, this is someone who's basically missing something and therefore most things something almost in the brain and therefore is unable to see things in a certain way. It has actually nothing to do with you and when I could see that I thought oh and I'm reacting this way because you know for certain reasons to try to protect myself, but actually it's causing me a lot of pain and they can't help it. So I can actually change this but you need to have that level of understanding to actually really want to change on all levels consciously and subconsciously you need to see things in Clarity. Otherwise, you don't do that. You know, you just continue with those habits for the rest of your life. Sometimes they can really ruin your life and really, you know, totally control your life, but you do have the power to change them. You just need enough. Understanding and compulsion to do so and then so you can really understand. No, I do not need this Behavior anymore and then start some reprogramming because if you've been doing something for years and years and years, it's become a habit. So then you have to take naps has created around it and this whole central nervous system is kind of adjusted to certain reactions, isn't it? Exactly. It's created a path in your brain. So now we're going to have to create a new one. So, you know an analogy is you know, you've been I'm looking at chocolate cake for years and your body is said I want that that's good eat the cake and you have to go. Okay, actually, it's not good. You know, it's making me fat and it's making me a sugar addict and I know it's telling me it's delicious. But I know I really understand now that if I spend a bit of time working on this I will no longer crave that cake and trust me. It does were like that because I have given up sugar I've fallen back. As well, I've given up sugar and it's been so liberating. It's been so Liberty. I do not crave it at all. But that takes takes some work. It's it's not easy at first because my body is actually telling me no, that's good. I'm not looking at a smoothie or you know and going yum that's good. So then becomes the the reprogramming but only with enough compulsion that to know that will I make that change and and that's kind of what I want to do a delete busting. I want people to see this is what's going on. The the reason you're doing this the reason you keep sabotaging yourself again, and again and again and again is because you know, whatever whatever the reason is so they can actually go right I don't need to do that anymore. And that's that's where that healing comes. Yeah. It's been a long journey. It's not been easy. No, no, well, none of these. None of these Journeys are what? I mean, that's something I keep finding, you know, as I get older. I realized that life seems to be a lot of things things take time basically in the physical Dimension, you know, you just have yeah healing takes time changes take time. Yeah, and when I say, you know when I say that life is a bit of a game it can sound very dismissive and it can sound Like, you know, I'm not appreciating the suffering because I I believe me I appreciate the suffering. I have spent 50 Cent My Life being suicidal and I appreciate the suffering but that doesn't mean I need to get attached to it or that any of us need to get attached to it. You know, we are here to experience and and for sure this seeing that seeing a day from suicidal to utter Euphoria has given me a very very broad range of experiences. For which I am grateful for and you know, but I think one day I will wake up as we all will you know, we will wake up and it's gone because it is Yesterday's Gone, even though conversation 3 minutes ago is gone. Like this is all we ever have and you know, once you know that then you're truly appreciating the present. That is true, although I also I was just thinking about this today and reading this somewhere. About how it's the past is also in the present, right? The past is living on in the prison, you know is living on an air jeans living on a narrow central nervous system and living on an area energy. So you want it to because it's you you're the one that's holding it right so you can go right? Okay. I'm going to let go of that. You know, I thought today again, it's funny. I was out on my Barefoot walk and I thought I think I'm ready to let go of this bipolar package that I've been carrying for a Sometime I don't want it to be Pop. I mean it's going to be I'll keep it as part of my story for the bit that's useful to help other people because that's great. You know, if I can help other people then that makes it I mean I want to say makes it all worthwhile, but something wonderful has come out of it, but I don't need it as part of my narrative anymore. I don't need to carry that around and I could I've got a choice about that. You know, how do I want to perceive Howard had a 1-1 a perceiver. I can even the way I perceive my body. Be like, okay, I perceive it as you know, I'm 42 and I am aging I'm getting gray hair whatever I could look at it like that, but I don't have to I can just be like, right. This is where I'm at. Where do I want to go? This is where I'm at. That's the only thing I know really anything you ever knows where you are at right now. That's it. I'm experiencing this now only bit of truth that is valid and I'd like to go in that direction. So I'm going to do that. No, because right now that feels fun, it feels exciting inspiring. So that's I'm enjoying my now with those thoughts. And that's how I'd like to live my life. So yeah, I don't know if that goes against what you're thinking I very much I very much believe it or not. I try and live my life also from creating my future like in the in the present creating my future with with things that Inspire and they don't is in position. So I guess I do have you know, I I guess I have felt there have been times in my life. I've kind of tried to escape my past maybe or avoid my past or something, you know and just focus on some kind of idealized image and presence and future and so on and more recently. I've really come to feel the importance of really going into everything that you know, all my lineage my ancestry my own multi existential ancestry and and and kind of owning all of that, you know and experiencing myself as creating out of that and bringing exceptions and healing to all of that to all that pass. Yes, not only respect that and you know that's of so that is a choice of how you're wanting to deal with your now, you know and Well, this is the thing and this is another thing that's very difficult to put into words time time and past lives and you know, there's a lot I could say about that too. I don't know how much time we have so much explorers anybody listening if you're on Facebook if you haven't joined yet check out conscious explorers on Facebook. It's a really it's a really good group. Good resources really interesting people, you know some great discussions on and off when they happen. So that groups they go through abs and flows don't they about how active people are part of that is me in the early days. I used to put a lot of energy into you know nurturing discussions and it just took such a lot of time out of my life and I realized that if I don't say too much if I just put a article without making comments about it. It it doesn't encourage discussions and as much as I love discussions, I only really do it now and it's something super meaningful to me because I just don't have the time and neither do I think it's great to be on Facebook all the time, you know? Yeah, but now and again it is really wonderful and it has really created a community and we've literally had you know, I said the other day, I think we've had at least 10,000 members in that group and probably more to be honest and and and it's wonderful. People all around the world have been in conscious explorers and you know, it's just like minded Souls. Like you said that, you know a passionate about these topics about Consciousness and life after death and you know, all the all the good stuff and yeah, but that it's a beautiful tool. So yeah, and also people can find your website conscious explorers.com, right which is got a lot of videos and yes that needs a bit of work, but I will do that. But yes that that that's that's There at the moment and yeah, that's gonna get a revamp, you know funnily enough all my obes and lucid dreams that were posted on their all stopped working. They just wouldn't show up weirdly around the time that the the door closed. I don't know if that's just a weird coincidence, but it's odd. But anyway, I will I will compile those together. Yeah, I think they'll be pretty booked a pretty amazing book coming. Some point and and then you music on YouTuber. I was listening to some of your Gregorian chant with dubstep before coming on. That was great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah this yeah, there's a lot more music coming out soon as well and some yeah music videos being made at the moment. So yeah, I try to always bring in I do inevitably always. As bring in themes of Consciousness. I I don't want to make them too in your face or even necessarily save much about it, you know, but it's there it's there in the intent and the energy and that I think, you know people can feel that so if you're interested in that that's deeply entrenched in all my music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I think it's very tangible. Well, thanks so much cuz it's such a pleasure. I hope Have another one of these lie to thank you for taking the time and amazing to see you and talk to you in in a more real way than than just online pleasure speaking with you. The music seeing us out is Kaz Cornell herself improvising on the piano. I really hope you enjoyed my conversation with cars today. And if you did it would be great if you can leave a five-star review for this episode on. Yes and share it on social media to help others Finders. You can find more information all the contact details for Kaz on my website multi-dimensional evolution.com. And you'll also find their my blog and information and reviews with my book multi-dimensional Evolution personal explorations of Consciousness. You can purchase that book in any bookstore. If you want to show your love for this show and get some practical info for your own exploration of Consciousness. Finally. Please get in touch whether it is to ask questions share experiences or suggest guests and topics. I always love hearing from People and I believe it is through sharing with each other that we can all grow together. Until then or until your tune in again. I'm sending you my very best energies and I leave you to enjoy jazz on the piano.
In this episode I speak with London based international DJ and explorer of consciousness Caz Coronel. We talk about how Caz transformed her fear of the spontaneous out-of-body experiences she had as a child and started consciously exploring non-physical dimensions, the challenge to objective proof of out-of-body experiences, the reason why people may stop having out-of-body experiences, following your life purpose, the relationship between music, energy and consciousness, a therapeutic approach Caz developed and called Loop-busting, and much more. Professional DJ, producer, musician, improv pianist and singer. Founder of the Conscious Explorers group and speaker on matters of consciousness, lucid dreams, out of body experiences, philosophy, well-being, mindset, mindfulness, nature hacks, mental and physical health. Developer of a life changing, world changing, personal development app coming soon! http://cazcoronel.com http://consciousexplorers.com https://www.facebook.com/cazcoronelDJ/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/consciousexplorers/ ​ Stay connected with the Multidimensional Evolution podcast and Kim McCaul here: https://www.facebook.com/multidimensionalevolution/ www.multidimensionalevolution.com “Don’t believe in anything! 