This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening and I didn't use Durga because I wanted to show that I actually got Accused by someone at being a racist because I did this it was quite funny because they said well you use the Hindu goddess to indicate chaos and like the Greco Roman goddess to indicate benevolence. And that was obviously an indication of Life fundamental pathology. Anyways, it isn't I just wanted to show that the idea of the Evelyn goddess isn't limited to a single culture. You know, there's Diana. She's got a lot of breasts. That's what's that's what's Downer front there. So she's like the the the nourishing element of being that's the best way to think about it and the nourishing element of being emerges in this sort of fashion. So that's the differentiation of the archetype. So way at the back there's the predatory serpent chaos that lurks in the background and then that fragment is out in one or differentiates what out in One Direction into the even you know in the feminine this is a tough one because there's this weird interaction here with with gender and archetype, you know, so So here's something to think about. And the time I'm floundering about on this because I have for a long time because it's very difficult. Which gender of person are you most likely to see on the cover of men's magazine? A woman what gender are you most likely to see on the cover of women's magazine? Okay. Why? Why is that? Yes, that's right. I think that's why I think that's why and that means that they're both possessed by the same archetype in a different way. And the archetype is the archetypal feminine fundamentally and for women, the archetypal feminine is a judge and an ideal. The judge is Will how far would you deviate from that the ideal is to what degree? Can you emulate and then for men it's the same damn thing the judge elements exactly the same thing and The Possession element. Well, it's slightly different but it's not that different, you know, so but it's a strange thing because the visual image General visual images that at the feminine so it's a strange because I don't think the archetypal structures work the same and then in women and so parking the way I've tried to figure this out is like the son the hero is the sun like the male Knocked Up. Shining Sun although it's also that it's like but women obviously have an element of them that can be heroic and adversarial just like man, but then in women that's complicated because the other primary element of their being is the maternal feminine element and so but that's complicated because women or men can also be quite maternal like for mammals predatory mammals Mandarin unbelievably nurturing and feminine. You know, what we're grizzly bears. We just eat our own coughs, you know so many They're quite feminine as well as being masculine. So I kind of think of it this way. It's like if you're thinking about what your archetypal personality structure is is for men. The hero is at the Forefront and the mother the feminine monitor is sort of behind that and for women it's reversed the family. His mother is sort of Forefront and the heroes behind them. But both of the archetypes are are are operative. So so you can think about that you can see see what you make of it, but You don't guess you might say well, why would women is it reasonable to presuppose that for women the feminine represents the unknown just like it does for men and I don't think it is just like it is for men because I think for women there's an element of the patriarchal structure. That's more unknown than it is for men. You know what I think you see the reaction to that in part you see the reactions that in the feminist movement because the patriarchy is like the tyrannical father, you know. And the patriarchy exists, but it's not the tyrannical father is not the entire substrate of culture. It's just ridiculous. But I think because women are you know, in some sense they're Outsiders to the male dominance hierarchy that the male dominance hierarchy is more contaminated by the unknown for women than it is for men. And I think it's more likely to be interpreted as the tyrannical father because of that. So anyways, I can't exactly sort it out because he end up with nested problems, you know, so insofar as your primary mode of being is feminine than your secondary motor B is masculine you're going to have all the characteristics of something masculine and all the characteristics of something feminine. But the manner in which they manifest themselves it's going to be different but I just can't sort that out gem quality plus. I think that that is what we're sorting out right now in our culture, you know ever since women got the ability to Control the reproductive function which was probably at least in part a consequence of an a priori psychological transformation, right? Because you could say well the pill free women but then you could say well what was the precondition for creating a site society in which the person who invented the pill didn't get killed, you know, because the Catholic church for example was not happy when you build was invented seriously not happy and no wonder you know, so obviously there had to be some shifting in the underlying conceptual landscape in relationship. To the relationship between men and women for that invention to even have come about you know, I think you can really see that starting know if you read the classic Russian novels, you can see that the push towards equality that characterize women was really alive and well in 19th century Russia among the aristocrats aristocracy. So, you know, like it has a pretty lengthy history anything that's associated with a widening of generative across Western countries meet the the which the waning you mean that why me Why evening a personality difference is so big five differences are wider and more egalitarian countries and depression incidents. And I don't know. I don't know how to answer that. Exactly. So the point is that if you look at personality differences between men and women in the modern world, the most egalitarian cultures have the biggest personality differences the gender differences. And so the technical reason for that is all the environmental variability has been eliminated and so all that's left is genetic variability and there's and that's not mask in some sense by the environmental variability. So it's powerful and profound but it definitely shows that there's a lot of powerful genetic variability or definitely it's powerful evidence for that, you know, but it also could be you know, it could easily be that in the society what you're aiming for in an egalitarian society is the right for everyone to be different in their own way. Whatever that happens to be, you know, and obviously that's going to be a Is it right to some degree? So an egalitarian society wouldn't necessarily eradicate personality differences. That would be a bloody totalitarian societies like will get rid of all the differences well to the degree that you're a female and whatever the hell that means fundamentally and I'm male if we have to be the same then that's going to be a function of an intense. What would you call control on the part of the state, you know to agree that that's intrinsic. We don't know what how much of its intrinsic I would be. Hesitant to say not. I mean you look let's let's be real about this. You understand? That one is some like it's down its depth. It's definitely complicated. But it's also a prerequisite for long-term relationships between men and women, right if we work a lot the same or at least capable of being the same then we would be able to understand each other at all. I mean, I don't know if we do what we do we do more than other creatures that of our complexity that's for sure. So, yeah, and you know, it's certainly the case that if you look at a given individual and you look at them. The variability of their personality link Behavior, the variability within a person is generally greater than the average variability within a population. So, you know human beings if you're an extrovert you can be extremely introverted like there's not very many experts at a funeral. No, the noisiest people out of funerals will be the extroverts but they're going to be hardly noisy at all, you know, an introvert can find themselves in the situation where they can't shut up, you know, so there's a lot of Entry individual variability and I actually think that one of the indexes of psychological health is the maximization of individual variability because you should be able to be extremely compassionate. For example, when you're dealing with a sick baby, you know and extremely uncompassionate. When you're dealing with someone who's you know, using their illness as an excuse not to pull their own weight, but you need both of those right and you know, you'll end up with an average Point as a consequence of your genetic structure and maybe your your socialization and sort of up to you that widen yourself out across the full spectrum so that you can call on those abilities when it's necessary. I think that's part of what differentiation as a person actually means, you know, because you come to be able to do more things and so you could not Yourself much more carefully to the immediate demands of the situation sold. Yeah. Any other questions? Okay, so the the symbol for for a normally the feminine differentiates into the negative feminine the part of the feminine part of the issue is how do you get more of the positive and keep the negative effects and they know that's that's a question that people have to ask themselves at the first of individual at the level of individual interaction with other people and with themselves, but then it also works as a representation of the unknown and nature as such it's because in some ways. To the same thing. So that's you know, that's a differentiation. So so this is the relationship between the hero archetype in the feminine. So what you have here is the chaos Dragon differentiating itself into the feminine which is half positive and half- and The Feminine they're being manifested in the form of that's the Virgin Mary with Christ on her lap. It's you saw the same representation when we were looking at Isis and Horus and what's really quite cool about that as you see she's surrounded by this this mandorla this this, you know almond-shaped. Opening fundamentally and you see this is something the Renaissance artists in lat. You see along the edges of the mandorla. There's all these little baby hits that are popping out with wings on them. And those are called poutine, you know, and it's very common when you see representations of Mary with with with like the cosmos sort of billowing out behind her because that's what you see. It's like a hole into time and space that there's all these potential beings that are surrounding her. You know, it's these little baby heads with wings. Like what the hell are they? What what is this thing? You know, it's so strange. I went to a museum in New York were a number of Renaissance paintings of this type were re in this one room is like a room worth a billion dollars almost Maisie room and our people all from all over the world and they're looking at these damn paintings. They say, you know, this is like it's married and she's sitting on the moon and there's a bunch of like winged baby heads around here. It's like what the hell is that all about? Everybody's looking at it. Like wow, you know, this is really something to this. Cap them on the shoulder and you say why did you travel from like Cincinnati to come to this Museum to look at like this woman who you don't even believe in sitting on the Crescent Moon surrounded by baby heads. They don't know. I'm no idea why they're there the fascinated by the painting fascinated by that are going to conjure up some reasons. But you know, you don't even notice how observe it is till you take the picture a part of it. What the hell are these things these poutine? You know, I think what they are Cancel beings that's the representation. So Mary represents the the feminine domain from which potential being emerges which is perfectly reasonable way of characterizing attendant in architecture. You know, what are the pictures? I will show you which I just love is married to another representation of Mary and she's got Christ in her hands and she's holding them up to the left her foot. Your foot is go on a snake's head, which I think it's so cool because if you look at that picture and you strip away that you did. Dale Christian presuppositions and you just look at it like a damn biologists you think well, of course, that's what she's doing. You know, it's like Mama chimp keeps the damn infant away from the snakes and that's the archetype and of course, it's the archetype because that is what you do. That's what you do when you're a mother especially if you have nice edible babies that snakes like to eat and that is certainly something that characterized us in our evolutionary past. So it's no wonder it's a Divine archetype, you know course it is. How could it Happy you might say well, I don't believe in thats like the hell does that mean you don't believe in that? You know, I can't even understand what that means anymore when I think about such things. There's you don't have an auction about believing in that is just the fundamental nature of reality, you know, is that the mother of God and what you mean, you know, it depends on how much Divinity is embodied in your child and believe me. Once you have that child you're going to think hey, there's a pretty big chunk of divinity in body did not child. No one knows snakes going to get that. I'm going to keep it away from predators and you know evildoers and try to raise it into the best possible things. Like you may say, you don't believe that it's like what the hell do you? Insofar as you're a good mother, you'll be acting that out like mad and I'm not going to say that's wrong because I actually think it's right. I think the child is a container of the Divine and then your job as a mother is to allow that child for you facilitate the development of that child into the mythological hero. That's what you're up to and that's a holy mission in so far as you could use that word to describe anything and I fail to see how that is. Not real. I think it's the most real thing. So when I also think the degree to which you're going to be able to do that as a mother, it will be the most rewarding thing you ever do in your life and you'll figure that out. It's a powerful thing and your whole life can change is completely once you have your own child. It's like they're not like other children their your old child. It's like they're the most important thing in the world right there. And from then on if you're healthy, it's like your priorities shift. It's not about you anymore. And that's a sacrifice. You know, it's a real. It's the sacrifice that women are called on to mange and itself. It's major sacrifice. Okay, so that you know, the mother gives birth to the hero. Okay, that's Hercules. It's not Christ. It's Hercules this particular representation and she's I love this representation. It's so cool. So Hercules, he's out there in the darkness on the water. So it's the watery chaos of so that's where he situated himself volunteerism and he's in this container. Now, it's a good thing you could think about that as a maternal container or you could think about it as cultural protection doesn't really matter and then he's got this club. And if you look on the club, it's got these weird bumps on it. But if you look at the bumps what you understand is those aren't Farmers. Those are eyes. So he's just like murdered. He's got this club and what's the club? It's like attention. That's it. You know, what if you're gonna Club something you had bought these for you have to pay attention to it. Maybe it's like a rampaging lie, and then you turn away from it. Well, it's going to eat you so the club's useless without the attention but you know, the picture says a club which is a weapon a weapon is a Is a form of meta attention or sorry I've got reverse attention is a metal Weapon It's the Ultimate Weapon against unknown. And so there's Hercules it's got his eyes wide open. He's peering over into the darkness. He's got this lion hand along and that's because he killed a lion and you know men used to do that, you know, and they were shepherds out in the desert and in the Middle East one of the things they had to do was kill a lion with a spear. It's like That's really worth thinking about and that's hard to do that. That would be very hard to be very great day to do that. And so but menus to do that. So that's really something about anyway, so he's got this lie in Sudan in the lion is King of the beasts roughly speaking. So it represents the thing. That's at the top of the Dolphins. Are you all know that because otherwise you could have understood The Lion King and the light is a solar Beast because it's yellow and it works out and you know, it's add a light creature itself are on the valve where everything is sunny. So it's associated. With the sudden illumination and Enlightenment and so it's like lions sun sun with eyes goes out to conquer the unknown. That's what the mother does if she raises the proper son. It's like now she's also doing that for the dark. But again that's complicated because women are complicated and then their role is very very complex. And so to some degree they're the hero but to some degree their the mother of the hero and those are I would say I don't know. I don't know how to configure that. You could say. You could say that in some sense of a conscious mother gives up her own individual heroism as a sacrifice to the potential heroism of her children, you know, and that's worth thinking about because my guess is that for most of you your mother did that, you know, now you want to let you know we my wife had a dream once about putting on her great-grandmother shoes her grandmother shoots, you were doing like your grandmother very feminine person, you know, like, you know cookie making apple pie baking shadow. Grandmother don't you have endowed chair of old people in the old folks home, even when she was 18 and she was really cheerful and tough but she's a great person. I really liked it. But when my wife dreamed of her she dreamt she was trying on her shoes and the shoes were too small, you know, and that was very interesting because what it seemed to indicate to me was that and she loved her grandmother them. There's no doubt about that that that role despite her grandmother having fulfilled that so well, it wasn't enough and you know what? Even of kind of kind of decided that and maybe that's for the best because now there's all these smart women running around doing useful things and you know, that's probably good but exactly how the sort that out. He figured out so What time is it? Okay good. This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler k --a n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania for Together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening.
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