Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to nightmare on film street. I'm Kim. I'm John and this week we are how do I even introduced this? Say, my name? Say my name? It's the craziest devil feature. We've ever done the most loosed the with the most loose pairing of the podcast no one asked for it. But this is I you know, I think everybody asked for this and I think this is why I like our podcast and I hope this is why you like our pocket my God. This is the most risky, you know, we're kicking off 2019. Oh, this is a great first episode to the year the most sensible way possible. Yep with a pairing of Candyman and Beetlejuice. That's right. Two entities that you call upon by saying their name saying their name, thank you John. I don't know if that really yeah to be perfectly honest. I had nothing to say after that first first wave and I just wrote it on in. I hope you guys had an amazing Christmas break holiday break New Year's all the stuff that happens in that period of December where you just go into a food coma and you don't know what day of the week it is until somebody asks why you're not at work. It's such a mess. This guy's today was my first day not eating like a horrible person and it was awful. My entire body was like bro. Where's where the snacks? Where's it's been it's been half an hour We're supposed to eat again. Right? No, not at all. I hope you're doing better. I'm just going to start this episode the way I normally do by asking Kim what's keeping you creepy this week. Well if you guys haven't heard it yet we released. Bonus episode last week during the break. It was John and my top 10 horror genre films of 2018. We both counted down our picks. There was some crossover there were some surprises John has a number one that I don't necessarily agree with because you haven't seen it because it's not hereditary. Well that guy and there's also a ton of best of Articles now on the website, they're all sticky to the top of NFS podcast.com. There's top female performances Top Male performances. Villains of 2018 and our 10 favorite moments of the year. Yeah horror, so there are some great kills some big shocker surprises and I'm going to try and drive it so Great Kills some I can leave the room. I didn't rhyme and I'm talking like a human being but I will say John that was your article you did a good job of not spoiling some of the thrilling moments that you picked out. So if even if there's something you haven't seen don't worry, they are not super spoiied. Yeah. If you haven't seen hereditary, there's no spoilers and small spoiler here that's on the list. But you know, if you've been avoiding any of our top 10 stuff because you've had enough of them already. We do also have some titles in there that are movies to look forward to that are coming in 2019 that we were lucky enough to see on the film festival circuit in 2018. Yeah, and then if you're totally sick of best of lists and talking about 2018 this January, we are celebrating body horror. ER month because you know January is one of those months where there's there's not a whole lot going on. So we just figured we're going to throw as much Gore gross - pustules Body morphia New Year New You right nothing more horrifying than when your body just revolts against you become something else entirely You couldn't possibly understand. We've got body horrors of puberty body horrors of like doctors and weird awful surgery. Every possible Avenue, we're going to make Arguments for movies that are technically body hard. Despite the fact that no one calls them body horror werewolves. Yeah variables. That's my number one that it's a body horror as a sub-genre buddy werewolf is always body horror. No argument. Yeah agreed sometimes vampires too, right? Oh totally because you got like a specially movies like Afflicted where you like you are in that transition like the sickest part. Yeah. We're that last so we got to die first. Yeah, okay. You can follow that all month long and NTFS podcast.com. We have a ton of editorials that are going to be going throughout the month and some amazing stuff plans. That's going to be really awesome. What better way to celebrate all them new muscles and changes your body the giggling. Yes, an extra limbs and antennae are two we just call it David Cronenberg. Well, yeah and, you know early days of January, we already have new horror rust Creek just came up from IFC midnight, but This week is the cube / saw mashup escape room. Yeah, we're going to be checking that out. 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But again, thank you guys so much for supporting the show will also be doing our second livestream on patreon January 26th at 2:00 in the afternoon. Yeah, right that we're doing that one at earlier in the day at Eastern Standard Time. So those of you across the pond will get a chance to play along in the live stream and it not be like 5:00 in the morning. So those of you in the Americas you better show up for lunch brunch with Nightmare on film the street where we will have I think we're going to be talking about glass. Yeah glasses up by them. So hopefully we'll have some things to say on that and we'll play some horror trivia. But yeah, that is January 26th at 2:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time at patreon. Let's talk about Candyman. If you ever heard Candyman, if you look in the mirror you say his name five times. In cities everywhere and demand they whisper his name Candyman. It's just a story can't a man and just a ghost story Candyman repair community starts attributing the daily horrors of their lives to a mythical figure Helen a woman died in there leave. it That's modern oral. Folklore. Everyone, except Helen Lyle production. They safer out here. That'll scare too easy on Nobel Ruthie Jane that he never gonna catch him handyman. Who is that? So Candyman from 1992 directed by Bernard rose candy man is currently sitting at a six point six out of 10 on IMDb 75 percent on Rotten Tomatoes three out of four from Roger Ebert who I think's out of the Toronto International Film Festival where premiered is part of the Midnight Madness screening, but also has a three point four out of five on letterboxed. So I had first seen Candyman as a kid we rented it from Jumbo Video at the cottage and it was a VHS tape and I didn't remember really anything about it other than you know, what you you know about candy man. He's got the hook for a hand you say his name three times. He five times. Oh, what are you you bloody Mary? I'm into. Yeah exactly and then he comes and he hooked you to death unless of course, you're Virginia Madsen and he wants to make you his woman, right? So we're going to get back to that. But before we get into the to all of it, I just want to say that I also don't necessarily have a lot of strong memories before we sat down re-watch it now. I watched it as a kid as well and I have a few scenes that are like really stuck with me because it was always on TV and I think I just watched segments of it at a time. But I love that as kids Candyman and scary movies in general were kind of exactly like the story of Candyman like all of those movies were in led to see never an Elm Street Candyman. All of them were urban legends to us to a degree. Yeah, we all yeah. We you knew about Candyman Candyman not even knowing about not even seeing the movie because yeah kids would just one kid will be able to watch it and then they would reiterate what they saw which was this like stupid kid down version. Yep, and then by the end of it you only just have like the basic lure like say is new in the bathroom mirror, then he comes through with it. Clothes hook and kills you and a close. Look that isn't gentrification. Like what? Yeah, the ones smart kid in the playground. But yeah, I was really pleasantly surprised watching this as an adult. It's actually a really great urban legend movie or a movie based off an urban legend that created this really interesting movie that has so many cool layers to it. I don't want to get into too much of it so early on in the show, but I was not expecting the kind of mental health aspect. Of it and the journey that Helen goes through as a character. It's pretty interesting. What's funny is like all of those that that stuff with Helen is kind of what I remember mostly that and just like Tony Todd just having like the coolest Goddamn voice. Yeah, and he just speaks in like he's not speaking in poetry but it's basically poetry right you get that from the opening moments to like what's blood if not for shedding like this. Okay. We are in a different world. Here this this guy who's don't make any sound shoes don't make any sense. And that's how you know, he's a ghoul another cool. He seems pretty ghoulish. Sometimes just with the bees coming at it was exposed rib cage. I feel like that was a conscious choice of his because he was stung by bees to death and he comes back and his face is perfect. Like he is a handsome devil, but that he opened his jacket. He's like Hots be surprised. Okay, I see. You mean even a conscious decision I like the makeup Department of like yeah look great. No, like he I'm talking about Candyman as as a being. Yeah, he chose his for I was gonna say Jesus said like hey, man, you got to come back, but it's definitely not Jesus says, you know, you got to come back you were really wronged you get to be a new folklore thing. So how would you like to come back? We get a new Dapper and handsome terrifying and scary be man. Can I have 90% Dapper handsome? And 20% these yeah, like if you want to just like fix up my mug here because this is a moneymaker right? And then just trenchcoat me. I love that in that decision. He doesn't say, you know be nice secondhand I could just hold a hook. I mean, right right things like Nas. That's a deal-breaker. Sorry there bud. Okay. So like how bad of a death do you need for Satan to go? Like as a rough one man? We're gonna we're gonna give you one back. You can kill a person every decade. As that sounds is that all he kills I honestly so with Candyman and with a lot of boogeymen, I think but Candyman especially in a fucking love it, it's all about Legacy, right? His name has to be remembered kind of like Freddy Krueger. But Freddy Krueger is I mean, I guess they're both about revenge but but but Candyman, it's not like he comes and he kills people just because they say his name in a mirror. It's because people are starting to forget like Like to reinforce his legacy and his name and his story. He comes back to Kill Ya like killing is just the means by which he retains his legendary status. Exactly. And so I think now that we have somebody like Virginia Madsen and her friend Bernadette who are putting a thesis together and really poking holes at the Candyman Mythos and mystery and trying to establish it as fake and just some oral history that people have strung together over decades. Chosen her because it will help reinforce his legacy. Well, it's interesting too because it seems like at least in the present state of this movie. He's kind of on easy street because as we learn throughout the film The Local gangs have kind of adapted Candyman into creating almost their own little internal Fortress. Like they are taking advantage of the Candy Man legend to create fear and they're kind of using it as a blanket to both hide under and terrorized with so Candyman kind of doesn't have to do his own terrorizing on his behalf. There's a gang doing it for him, which is really interesting. It's almost like he gets to just sit back and let people fear and Revere him. Yeah, and that's that's probably also what helps tip Virginia Madsen into the like, oh no people are just using Candyman to cover up their own murder. So I thought that too and I know Tony Todd is Candyman halfway through the movie. I was just like, oh my God, this is really cool because this film touches on so many different aspects of what candy man could be. Normally a first film doesn't explore all of those Avenues. And normally when it does it's too much you're like, whoa, there's gang Candyman. There's mental illness Candyman, and then there's actual candy man is a real legend think any improper. Yes. There's really cool. So Helen, she's a grad student grad student. Yeah, right. Yeah. Is that teaching anywhere? No. Yeah. She's finishing her thesis. So maybe she's going for a PhD or whatever. She's with a bunch of like Rich with knowledge snob types who are by the way that rich was knowledge subtype is Bernard Rose the director of the movie. Yeah. I hated him. I think you're supposed to write and it's interesting that you've got. You've got a bunch of classism in this movie, but there's even classes and at that table like yeah is the intellectual Elite and she is so far below him because she doesn't have her pH. Clearly. You didn't read my article in 1992 on clearly. You did not such a prick. Instead of just doing like standard surface level report her and Bernie her I guess student colleague. You tell her partner's. Yeah, they they want to go deeper into this Candy Man legend. And so that takes them to kind of like the projects where Candyman was born and brainy green as it's now and they're basically following this particular murder, right? Yeah, the I think they need to have one story to focus on the Caterers have like The general Candyman Mythos, so they're going to use this one story that everybody attributes as a to Candy the origin or the yeah the main kill or something. Yeah, but they're not in that kind of like a podcast like they're not necessarily going out to find the real killer but they they're going to poke holes into the assumed story that can't even killed this woman. She's trying to posit that a real person did it by climbing through the mirror from one apartment to the next which was so cool when they did that reveal about how There's no like fire code wall in between the bathroom mirror and her own house where she's living which grad student has no debt, not likely but whatever. Yeah. She's with her dickhead Professor husband. They are they married though, I think so. Yeah, totally because he introduces her as his wife. Mmm. Yeah. Mmm into his girlfriend. Yeah that whole movie you're just like, you know, he's cheating on her that whole thing and every time you see him he's doing Shady things the boyfriend not candyman candyman something up and up but literally getting consent from her this entire movie. He does right. He literally waits for consent. I'm gonna kill zone like her friends and stuff to do it, but the ruins are like, okay. Well, I'm not your honey. I'm not trying to paint a picture of him as a nice guy. I think he's nice. I just mean it seems like he's treating Virginia meds and nicer than her husband. I mean, that's also not true. What am I talking about? Yeah. That's okay. So bathroom mirror she shows Bernie that because her apartment I guess is like a refurbished version of the same building concept as Cabrini-Green. Yeah, it was originally intended as a housing project, but then because of the skyline I guess they decided to turn into Condominiums. Yeah, but it was the same building structure. So she finds out that she can literally punch through her medicine cabinet into the next apartment and she thinks that that's the means by which the killer who killed this woman in Cabrini-Green literally was able to just climb on through the apartment and that's cool for that alone. I think is enough for me to love this movie the idea of a killer coming through the window and not being a legend at all. Like I would have been perfectly fine with that if there was no real Candyman and it was just a guy using the like low-income housing project as his means of sneaking around and being this mythological figure. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It's terrifying and there's enough for Is he the doors not busted down? Like how did he get in? If nobody knows I thought it was really cool. Yeah, Tony Todd really doesn't show up for a little while. I think it's a smart choice because I think we do need to sort of go down these Paths of oh candy man is just a story like we need to we need to establish that as a possibility before we establish that Candyman does exist before we then also establish. Maybe it's all in Helens head a large portion of this movie is tailored to Gus think that in this is no surprise that way that's seen it obviously but like we are supposed to at some point think that Candyman could potentially just be inside Helens head and she's gone crazy and she is killing people for reasons, but just lost it she's just School stressed. I mean like there is there is obviously like The Shining like one key moment in the movie where Candyman interacts with the real world that is impossible if he isn't real and I think that's where Undoes the straps on the psychiatrist. He undoes the straps on on Helen when she's in the psychiatrist's office. Yeah, but she could have gotten out there's I don't know. Let's let's assume you can't get out of those. So I think of the of the threads of things I think that's that's pretty nitpicky John that's nitpick. I think it is. Okay. Well, I mean if I needed we could maybe say given that she's an unreliable narrator that the psychiatrist came over and under straps for some reason then she killed the psychiatrist and got out but in her Her mind, it's I think we should walk up to that part. Okay, why she's in the psychiatrist office because that for me was the biggest turnaround of the movie when she finally meets Candyman after she's been searching. So we have this false Candyman where she's she's poking around too much. She ends up meeting a gang who adopted Candyman and one of the gang members is portraying Candyman and they beat her up and the girls bathroom Rosa. I can't believe I tried to gloss over that. No, but the When she kicks open that final stall and then there's the arrow pointing down. Where is that? Is it does it lead to his lair? That's in the apartment building. I bet it does maybe pretty cool. So it's Philip. Why does she go back again though? Why does she go back to the apartment building again? Yeah after getting beaten up. She goes back don't actually think she may be no because she candy man is in the parking garage any man appears to her in the parking garage when his shoes are making noise out. So there's is actually something I really like about that scene and it's partly a small impossibilities thing that you love his love pointing out. We see Helen walking toward her car. Then we see just a pair of shoes and a long coat definitely Candyman following her to her car. But when he starts talking to her and we have like that super awesome echoey voice over from Tony Todd. He's not behind her where you would expect further down the parking garage. He's actually on an adjacent wall on the other. Their side to think it's just like really cool camera techniques how he's sort of surrounding her to a degree. I never got that. I just know I kept trying to show it to you and you're like, I don't see what's so special about this because maybe he just appeared in that spot and he's always been walking towards her car where she's been walking and he's really come up against a wall is the thing. Mmm. If that were the case based on how we're watching Helen we would see him across the way walking side by side with her just a few feet away either way. Candyman finally appears whether or not it's a miraculous and her dialogue in that scene is great too because you know you you doubted me so I had to appear I cannot remember the exact words. Unfortunately any moments of Helens character all the way up to this point before she's even meet meeting met him. There's there's this really interesting at first I didn't really like it. But now I'm kind of appreciating it. She almost gets washed over with this cereal trance or it's like a sexual thing. I'm not sure. Like some blocking on her eyes, so she has like that light going She Glows like a Hollywood Starlet because yeah, she's being lit in this like hazy glow and maybe it's because everybody's smoking and every single scene that it's always so fucking hazy. There's so much chain-smoking in this movie. It's Gotta mean something that we're just not picking up. It's there's so much smoking like and every time you shoot on her hand is just flicked up with a cigarette and you're just like, why are you always smoking? It's not just must be like a different age now because nobody I don't know it seems it seems so so over the top that you mention the Elegance of this film would be completely lost. That was everybody had vape pens. Yeah, she's always completely like in trance like even when she was at that mean dinner with those mean and relax once. Yeah, once they start explaining the can you ensure lost in it? Yeah, and that's really interesting because at the end you find out she's kind of a mythical figure herself or she's kind of like his right hand and that she herself could have been this legendary figure all along. It's almost like Dracula story and she's mean so in being Mina. She's always been this person kind of thing is why it's this story is always so entrancing to her and maybe why she's gone so far into discovering the story is like it was always supposed to go down this way. Yeah, and I definitely think you're right. There is a strong romantic relationship between the two of them, but not not like lovers though, you know, like there's a romance in the roles that they're trying. Owing to play I think like victim and murderer like they've definitely romanticized him claiming her because yeah won't even says like his whole iconic line is be my Victim, right? Exactly and just like he wants her to or he at least he's waiting for her to give herself over to him, but it's different than what he does with everybody else because he kills a bunch of people in this movie. I kills a person in this movie. That's that's true too big. Well you did cold open, but I think it's It's all to get her to a point where she's willing to give up. Yeah, but he's not asking them to be his victim. They just be not of those murders are attributed to Candyman and that's the idea and I think he needs to get her back to Cabrini-Green because when it's revealed that she after that parking garage scene, which is fucking great and we have a ton more shots of her just being hypnotized by Candyman just like I gotta go. I'm in danger, but she's not running away whatsoever. She wakes up absum sheeter. Her she loves him. She's definitely hypnotized by him. But she wakes up and Ann Marie's apartment. That is the best scene in the whole movie because I was completely blindsided. I had no idea what was going on and I didn't know any of his motivations at this point. I didn't know what Candyman was after I didn't know why he didn't just take her and for her to wake up in a pool of blood with a woman screaming a dead dog a baby that I thought was dead to me. I thought the baby was dead in the crib and I always like my hands were over my mouth for that scene. I was like, oh my God, I can't even what did you do? We trusted you know, it was all Helen all along. Oh, man. That scene is crazy. Yeah. No, it seems nuts. And I really do think he's just trying to break her down and get to her get her to Rock Bottom and to really discredit that person who is trying to prove the Candyman doesn't exist. Well, and I also think too it's and it's going to be really interesting to see how they explore this in the modern remake that they're doing they're showing her a world that she's not familiar with like as this upstanding high-class white woman. She gets really to grade it from here on in the film. She's not treated well by the police she's asked to strip. That's probably one of my other favorite scenes when rate after she's picked up by the police and she's hysterical. She has no idea what's happened. She's just over to take a shower. She's covered in blood and the the woman police officer is giving her nothing and that scene is actually pretty long and I think it's To show her being degraded sure and she's asked to take off her shirt and she does and she peels it off and it's covered in blood and her bra is covered in blood and the blood is starting to dry and it stuck to her a little bit. She has to take off her bra. She's to hold her breasts to keep you know to keep them dignity and the cop is asking her to lift each breast to make sure she's not hiding anything under there even though like she owns a condo and the up side of town with her professor husband and like this isn't something that this woman would do. Yeah, and she's asking to To speak to the cop that she's on first name basis with and the cop that's booking. Her does not give a shit and has asked her to take her underwear because she's going to have to bend down and golf Lenny shouldn't anyway because as far as he knows she just killed a dog and possibly a baby right? Like I see what you're saying. He I don't think he has to give her any fucking credit for anything but it's not a role. She's used to having she's used to being able to walk in and say like, oh, I got hurt in the project. Please save me. And and they're all super happy for they're just like oh thank God, you're the one that got hit with a hook if it had been anybody else we wouldn't be able to take him to trial. Yeah, and the moon the first time that happened she's all kind of upset about it because she's like, there's stuff been happening here all along and as soon as one white lady gets punched in the eye they're arresting people, but now she's being may be charged with murder and I think she wants some privileges if she wants to talk to the cop, right? Yeah. It's kind of an interesting experience because Candyman he's trying to ruin her life to the point that she will. Succumb to whatever he wants but it's interesting in a storytelling way to show this character going through that Journey. Can I ask you a quick question? Yes, do you think any man exists now? Okay. Let me let me rephrase that because it sounds like what I'm asking you is whether or not Helen is Candyman. Yeah, and that's not what I'm asking. What I'm asking is that backstory the professor douchebag McGee gives is that even true is Candyman real life person who was murdered in this horrible way? Ashes were spread across Cabrini-Green and now is coming back and trying to keep his legacy of blood or like New Nightmare. Is it literally just a story that people assumed word was true and kept telling it to each other until it became true. Like is Candyman a construct of that oral mythology. That's built by the people who are also scared of it. That's the whole point of the film is you're supposed to come away with the is the Answer is he to answer it? I think takes away from the film the fact that it could all be in a Helens head Candyman could be this creation of him being murdered over loving the woman that he loved or he could be created from the rate. Like he's the Amber of the ashes and was created after the fact all of those things are possible and I think they're all great and the fact that they are all possible is what makes this movie great. So I'm gonna not answer it. Why why you were Saying that I just remembered one little thing that I think really tips it into like a definitive answer right like and you gotta it just kind of ignore all the sequels that came from it because I'm pretty sure in the next one. We opened with seeing candy man's death. Like we see all of it him getting this like they're not generally. Yeah, but I think it's super intentional that we don't have flashback moments where this film. Yeah in this film where we see Tony Todd as its Candyman being being killed my most positive though at the end of the movie The little boy whose name. I can't remember as a jake See's Candy Man in the fire that Helen and Candyman are fighting in at the end of the movie where she crawls out and delivers the baby. We see like the skeletal remains sort of like in their death throes. Just that little boy though. Mmm, which I think is really like yeah. Sure. Everybody has the Candy Man story but like the fact that this little boy Witnesses candy man is also what's going to help his legacy continue. Yeah, and one thing about the funeral pyre. Or the big pyre. Yeah, I kind of love that that it was there the whole film. Yes. And yes that because it kind of puts. It's another piece of evidence that candy man has been planning this thing to go the way it did the entire time because they walk past it in an earlier scene and Helen asked the little boys, like what does that and she's like, oh it's for the big party. It's for the big party, but it's this no exponents this like sacrificial wicker Man Fire, right and it as soon as they see what's going on those kids immediately grab the gasoline and torches and they go out there. Yeah, it's not like they're they're really planning for it, but they know they have to and that's what they're supposed to do. Yeah, goulbourne Candyman. Yeah. Yeah that is that is actually like my favorite part of this entire movie is is that that is there at the beginning we establish it the kid? No, it's for the party. We don't say what the parties for a comes back at the end. It's like super important to the story. Nobody's mad and we like, oh that's for the block party next weekend because that that fire was always intended for when it was lit, I think oh, yeah, it's faded to have been the fire for which Candyman and his bride were to die. Yeah and like without that moment without how that all played out. We wouldn't have this procession line of disciples coming to Helens grave at the end of the movie because they are candy mans followers. Like her death is important and their belief in Candyman and will also be her enduring Legacy to like she will actually be remembered and it's a very important off fuck. What's that line that he has like, it's it's an astounding thing to know. Not have to be fucking. Oh, it is a good line. Every goddamn thing. He says in this movie is incredible. Oh, yeah, and he said he says something to like to exist on The Whispers of others and exactly attina the writing on the wall. I'm just like fuck you're making death sound wonderful, right? And that's it. That's the thing. He is the warm embrace. Like that's why it's so alluring to become his victim like just I cannot imagine Eddie Murphy in this role. Did you know that did you know that they were Going to get Eddie Murphy, but they couldn't afford him. Wow, and would have been so different it. Can you would have been nuts? Wow, it'd be a really weird. I can understand why any Murphy would have wanted to make that decision and like early 1992 that would have been such a strange thing for his for him to do in his career, but we would have lost the Legacy that is Candyman with Tony Todd. I think the fucking perfect. I think Tony Tone is perfect because he's kind of dreamy. Yeah, you know what? I mean? He's really tall he's Handsome, he's got a good jawline. But he's also really good at being creepy like his voice resonates and he's got a really low register. But like he's still kind of dreamy except for when he is beads in his mouth. Right every other year fucking bees all of them bees in this movie a hundred percent real some scary bees. That's actually one of the reasons. He took the movie too because it's like none of this stuff has ever been done on screen and I want to be one of the people who's there to help bring it to life because also like people are going to see it. It's a great. It's a great script. It's a great movie he Trying to find his own Phantom of the Opera has is how he was describing it, but none of those be sequences, they'd never shot anything like that and to be the person on screen responsible quote unquote for it was a big selling feature for him. All of the B's used in the movie were roughly 12 hours old so you could say that they were baby baby baby bees artisanal e created for this film like they were specifically birthed. I guess you'd look what you probably had like, no Stinger well, So that they don't have stingers it they do definitely have stingers but they are less likely to use them because they're too young. They're two they're too young to necessarily get aggressive. They're just still exploring the world. I'm just a little baby. Where's mom why am I in a mouth? Yeah. Yeah, and apparently Virginia Madsen said it was it was really weird to film because one she's allergic to bees not definitely they did. She's more deadly allergic to wasps a prop Virginia for a few scenes. I could tell good. Yeah. Okay. Well, there's they Load them up with pheromones to she's like so it's really weird because they're furry and you notice that right away, but they're also all in love with you and it took longer to get them off that it did to shoot the scenes. Like they would do really quick shots. And then they would have these this tiny little like be vacuum that sort of sucks him off lightly, you know a nice nicely. It doesn't kill them or hurt them. Yeah, Tony Todd for the entire franchise had a clause written into his contract that he got $100 bonus every time he was stung. Sorry. Like a $1000 like $100 and that's shitty. That's enough. That's enough a nice bottle of wine with that. Yeah. Well you could but yeah $1,000 for every bee sting and over the course of several films. He's been stung 23 times. Wow. Yeah a few of which were in his mouth for this. Yeah, of course. Yeah. It sucks. That does suck. Wow. Yeah, I guess there's no other way to film bees in your mouth and the 80s then by putting beads in your mouth. Not that I didn't think he ate the bees but so another scene that's really good and really plays on the is he real isn't he is in every scene in the movie. I'm feeling about everything, you know, when she's first being admitted into the psych ward after they think she's killed Bernie because Bernie also gets the sharp end of the hook. Yeah, but he descends down on her like floating from the ceiling. It's a really fun shot because then you just like floats under the gate was gonna say it's also kind of a funny shot because he just Who play underneath because the orderlies are coming in but the psychiatrist in that scene where the psychiatrist dies shows her the footage on for Unnecessary Television TV is which is like, why do you have those What You've Won would have sufficed I assume he's got cameras set up for multiple rooms, but it does kind of them all just to reiterate the fact that she's nuts. Yeah, and she they show the footage again of her in that scene. When what she says and whatever and there's no candy man in the footage which are like Dracula can be picked up by cameras. But I mean, it's really cool because it does play on that at that moment. I think she thinks she's done it. Oh, yeah, or she's question which is so great because seconds later Candy Man appears. Yeah and kills the doctor unleashes her but I think she's still a little hesitant. She's still not sure if she's conjured Candyman because when she goes back to her apartment and her husband is not her husband anymore with his student and their painting and they're packing up all of her shit. Also not to not to mention the fact that it's been like two or three months. She's just been drugged out and doesn't even know like because to us, it feels like the following day. She goes to see her psychiatrist and to her it feels like the following day. Oh, that's nuts. Can you imagine? Well, I mean, there's a lot going on but like let's let's say you haven't had a murder or anything and all of a sudden you wake up and it's been a month because you just been drugged out in some mental institution. Yeah. I think it was really cool though in that scene when she's confronted her husband and they're basically trying to inch towards the phone to call the psychiatrist and And Helen is so unhinged and it's one because she's witnessed so many murders and two because she might be going crazy. But you see it in her eyes and a couple seconds where she's full of conviction and then she's a little worried that she is actually doing it, but then she's full of conviction again because she's all like crashing and burning like her husband is the only thread she has left candy man has killed everything else. Yeah, and he's already cut off that tie like he's he wants nothing to do with her anymore because she is kind of cuckoo bananas at this point. Like he's he thinks she's a convicted murderer. And she's also crazy. Yeah, but one thing I don't get is that Helen character is really headstrong. She's very brave. She's very confident. She's a very bold character and when things start to go wrong, she's calling for her husband the whole time anytime anything goes bad. She's really dependent on him and it's a good point. It's probably to create that last final thread like when we find out he's been cheating on her and he's creating this other life with this other student. I just don't really love how dependent she was on him. Him, but maybe that's because she is this faded character and she knows she's supposed to be like so mated to something and she may have attached that onto him like she's supposed to be a soul mate. Okay, I seriously, you know what? I mean? So yeah because like you wouldn't necessarily go through your life assuming the person that's going to catch you when you fall is a murderer with a hook for a hand. Yeah. You don't expect a real this guy who is my wife. I think I'm married to yeah. I'm supposed to be like she's had this feeling of like I need to belong to Sing or I need to be a part of a Duo. Yeah, because at the end you find out that she is also on the wall. She is also this legendary figure if she fucking loved the end of this movie basically becomes Bloody Mary. Yeah. It's so great to write like when you think who the fuck is gonna look in a mirror and say Candyman five times. What is the point but we get to the end and this shit husband like Trevor is just in the bathroom lamenting over. Her all that he's done and well couldn't he have helped her at some point and now that he's got his like young toy wife girlfriend hates cooking dinner. Oh my God, she's with me and he's like no she's throwing the beef. Yeah. She's like coming up chunks of meat and tossing it raw into a sever see how you like it, but when he's just in the bathroom and and he's overcome with This point is O Helen Helen Helen, like just dead at this point. She's totally she burned in the players. She's you've seen the movie. It's like that scene kind of makes sense where he's just sort of in this like Spiral of regret saying her name over and over like that to me is believable where you would conjure that character by saying their name more than once other than just like a teenager daring another teenager to do it that takes it to like this really raw emotional place for that. I think is brilliant and when she appears behind him in the mirror, it's such a good final moment to end on also another point though when she appears. She's mythical figure status. She chose to Camp candy man came back Dapper top half be using the Torso sure she comes back full third-degree burns like her head is burnt. She's coming back with the full gory bald wig cap thing, which is interesting. She decided to be scary. I think she's coming back for whatever was scare him the most That's true. I think maybe in that instant. She's like look what you did. Fuck her. Yeah, and honestly, I know that this is how he looked pretty well always appears. But when you think about Helen assuming candy man is just a real person who uses the moniker Candyman why not appear as a real person and then shatter her Reality by showing her that he has this actual hook and no fucking insides and he's just breathing bees. Yeah. It's pretty great. It was it was a really good movie. Yeah. I'm really happy that I didn't revisit this movie on. Until I was like an adult horror fan. I think if I had a watch this when I was 12, there would have been so much lost. Yeah, I think that's probably why I didn't really attached to it as a kid. It was always on TV for some reason like it was heavily edited, but but it was on a lot and I would occasionally catch it late at night and it just never stuck with me and I I'm sure I watched it from beginning to end at some point. But all my memories of this movie are like watching it and fragmented pieces and I do have a lot more memories of Farewell to the flesh so it's called the second one. I remember I remember seeing the scene where he gets killed and Peg Pilgrim times a lot. I think as a kid, I just wanted that like, oh show me where candy man is created, but ignoring the rest of the franchise and how it really solidifies that I love like you were saying the game that this movie plays on on Candyman possibly being one of several different things. Yeah, and it's it's a really fun take on a story. That's so familiar because it is an In Legend and it's based off so many things and but it's a new it's a grown-up take on it. Yeah, it's the it is the Dracula of The Nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah. It's like a quintessential Boogeyman story for the modern world. Yeah, and it is like the grown-up modern-day Phantom of the Opera. Yeah, you get this kind of Gothic Horror Story set this modern day scenario with a story or all a little bit familiar with it's really well done. Yeah, it's great if I could assume what To do with the new one. I would think it's going to be more like Helens current apartment building. I think what's going to happen is we're going to have an apartment building that used to be a housing project that's been updated and to Rich condos and that's where people start think that's where Candyman still lives and hunts is in that updated gentrified building. That's my guess. Yeah. I don't know how we're going to update it for today because like this kind of has that era of like the sounds of the Lambs. Formula where you have this little bit it's almost like a cop drama kind of thing like a mystery being unfolded and we don't really do that so much nowadays. So I don't know if they're going to do that whole revealing the crimes and stuff with the with the neighbor lady and her baby and I don't know if that's all going to play out the same because I don't know what that formula looks like in 2018. You know what I mean? Yeah. So how would you rate I'm going to give candy and a three and a half out of four legged. My only down point was for Bernie's after death makeup. Hey, it's the 90s, you know like and maybe it's just because she looked a little too pale. Yeah, there they were just using some opaque makeup. Yeah, I'm also giving Candyman 3.5 out of four. I like this movie a lot more than I thought. I did not know that's a bit Philip glass's score. Sorry guys, everybody whenever I ask about like favorite scores on Twitter that that one always comes up and I totally understand why I think it's cool. I think it evokes that older era Gothic romance mythology that the movies going in for but I have a problem with choirs. I just don't like choirs. I don't know what it is. I didn't notice the score but it is very good. It's minimalist. It's cool. It's repetitive but it just like yeah the vocal stuff gets me. All right moving on. We're going to talk about Beetlejuice Beetlejuice beetlejuice and the weirdest left-hand turn ever. No it's not. I'm the director of Pee-wee's Big Adventure, Adam and Barbara are ghosts. Is being haunted by the living maybe the house could use a little Remodeling and they can't scare them into leaving said it's a little late to be neurotic. So they're calling on Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Who's No Ordinary Ghost. You don't want his help. Can you be scary? What do you think of this now the party's over it was somebody out of the house. I want to get somebody out here. But the fun has just begun. It's no tan party. Not bad. This is amazing want a cigarette. He's guaranteed to put some. In your afterlife Michael Keaton is Beetlejuice and the Ghost with the most babe Beetlejuice from 1988 directed by Tim Burton. Betelgeuse is currently sitting at a seven point five out of 10 100 out of 10. Yeah, 110 also known as 7 point 5 out of 10 on IMDb 100 out of 4 on Ebert 84 percent on Rotten. And tomatoes 3 .8 out of five on letterboxed. Whoa and two out of four from Roger Ebert, which I think is a perfect jumping off point for us because I think we both love this movie. Yeah full disclosure. This is my favorite film. Yeah, you know of all time. I was I've been thinking about it a lot this week. I don't know that there's many movies. I like more than Beetlejuice or movies that have seen more than Beetlejuice which is why I think we're going to have a really hard time fucking talking about this movie. No, I think Roger Ebert's review. Is the perfect place to jump off? I'm just going to read you the last paragraph. I don't want to hear so he does talk a lot about how great the set design is and like the world and he super loves the Maitland's like he absolutely loves the beginning of this movie and have Charming they are and like this this tiny little village and all these little characters that have their own lives and then he just like shits on it from there on yeah, like he's just like I really was hoping that we'd be in this little Pee-Wee Herman's Adventure World that would have been the smartest thing to do. But instead we go to this fucked-up place where all these people people are whatever one of the problems is Keaton as The Exorcist nearly unrecognizable behind pounds of makeup. He prances around playing Betelgeuse is a mischievous and vindictive prankster but his scenes don't seem to fit with the other action and his appearances are mostly a nuisance. It's also a shame that Baldwin and Davis as the ghosts have to spend most of their time playing tricks on Catherine O'Hara and Jeffrey Jones and winning the sympathy of their daughter. I would have been more interested if the screenplay and preserve their sweet. Romanticism and cut back on the slapstick mic drop I guess I'm with I don't agree with anything. He said there the whole point of the movie is the juxtaposition between this world that the Maitland's are thrust into. Yeah. We've got this this quiet sincere romantic small-town life that they have and then you this is modern home away from home that the Deets is bring and Betelgeuse is this chaotic force that has the Leti to push it one way or the other while simultaneously destroying them both. Like I think we have two worlds that are trying to co-exist and this third variable. Yeah, nobody understands and that's the best part about it. Is that in Beetlejuice? And this is why I love that. There was never a prequel or SQL as much as I would love a Beetlejuice goes Hawaiian. I'm so happy that they didn't ever get to expand and Eyes this franchise because how little we see of the afterlife is what makes it so perfect. It's such a strange movie The explain Saturn to me like why is this? Why is Saturn a like a thing in this movie at all? It's so great is great. But and it doesn't need explanation whatsoever and the glimpses you get of the afterlife it's wild and Untamed but then bureaucratic. Yeah, and there's a great call. All to it when others just like oh, you know what happens to people that commit suicide don't you and the afterlife they become civil servants may become civil servants. Yeah. That's great. We know that because the beauty pageant Queen committed suicide and she's just like plan out her days. Yeah option. That's Juno's throat slit. Yeah and you know committed suicide she had to oh, she's I guess so she's a civil servant. Yeah, it's pretty but she's so passive aggressive. That's why they're all passive aggressive, which is exactly what civil servants are like well and even You the The Copier Guy? He's flattened like with tire tracks because he definitely jumped in front of a vehicle. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. That's the craziest thing when you start to look and try and figure out how everybody killed themselves. It's nuts, but you're right and like the Maitland's are our way into that world. So, why would we ever get explanations? Yeah, and then will not stop point to is that they they only get a glimpse of it because they only get so many limited chances to To meet with their caseworker and I think their residential haunting period is like a hundred twenty years or something. Yeah, something crazy like that. I never really hard time trying to figure out where to start. There's there's nothing about this movie that I don't love everything about it is a great decision. All of the characters are perfectly cast fucking Geena Davis and Alec Baldwin in this movie are so lovely and they're perfect. They're perfect for each other. So cute and just the moments to like they're doing the wallpaper. They're taking their way. Their weeks vacation just to like fix up their new house and love with and then there's the Jane the stupid nosy of realtor and then the scene where they discovered that they died on the the winter River Bridge is sorry. You know it like it's my favorite movie I get to do things like that. Yeah, you can just say exactly the name of the bridge. Yes. It's such a great. Still rocking horse And and he can't read the word deceased. It's it's perfect. There's a wonderful. Yeah, there's nothing wrong about this entire movie and the score like especially in that scene where they realize that they are dead. And he reads the handbook. Oh the handbook for the Recently diseas'd and deceased. Yeah and the music swells back up with it. The music is a character in this movie. I know we've talked about it before but on the Blu-ray edition of the movie you have an option of watching it with just the and Danny Elfman score and no other Your track and surprisingly still fun to watch. I mean if you know every line of the movie, it's great. And you know, if you're also a person who doesn't really pay attention to score too much. That's a great time to watch it. But I think its impossible to ignore the score in the movie. There's some really interesting choices with the music to to juxtapose like this fun kind of dark and Whimsical score. You have Harry Belafonte music. Yeah the entire movie so great and it is that I think that's probably why they wanted to do Betelgeuse goes Hawaiian because of Harry Belafonte because there's such a tropical warm element to the music and it's so fun and kind of silly. Yeah, it's strange how perfect it works. Yeah. I don't know what it is about Adam that makes him such a Harry Belafonte fan because when you look at them, you wouldn't think so right like small-town guy owns a hardware store. Where's plaid shirts tucked into his khakis favorite band Harry Belafonte because he's listening to it all the time. I'm well, he's working on his models. And and when they decide that they're going to scared entire party full of people. That's what they go for but it's perfect also this I don't know if you guys have noticed it. Maybe you have and if you have good on you this last time watching it is the first time that Kim and I ever noticed that I'm like, what do we notice all of the party? All the attendees of the party are actually singing along to Dayo by Harry Belafonte like not loudly, but they're kind of Quietly sort of grumbling along to it and Catherine O'Hara is great in that scene. She's not singing though, which is funny because we know she can sing cause she's Sally and Nightmare Before Christmas very good point and Jeffrey Jones if you're paying attention to him in that scene, he's he's made this choice where every Jones Jeffrey Jones is Dad. He is Charles Dietz. Okay, you can pay it. He's acting as though somebody's moving his jaw for him. Like he's not singing along but there's like the ghost of Barbara Maitland just like moving his mouth. I've been down to try and get him to sing the words. It's pretty great. Yeah, and the body movements in that scene are great like where they're all doing the hand movements and stuff and then the shrimp and I mean come on that's like fucking through hands brilliant. That should be it's just a costume that we do one year just the shrimp hands like everybody's done the malins with the big distended mouth distended stretched out mouths. Yeah, like sunken eyes and stuff, but I want I want somebody who does just the just the shrimp and can do that next year. You have to wear a table on you though. For it to make sense like come out of a bowl. That's perfect. So, I mean obviously we've paired this with Candyman because you have to say Beetlejuice his name three times to get them to appear. I really think it's weird that when they say his name the first time they go down into the model. Yeah, but they're going for a meeting that says they have to book him. That's a good point. Yeah, they get so it's a consultation right there. They're coming in. They're just want to make sure that there are fit for each other, but I love that. He just keeps edit his way into their lives. He's because he's he's found them. Yeah, he was touring the back pages of like the afterlife week Liz is the best fucking parties has better look at the business section opens it up to the obituaries Jesus. I love this movie and that's one of my favorite scenes because it's the only moment were you hear him from like his lair? Yeah, which is really explored in the cartoon. Beetlejuice hangs out in that like ethereal layer thing that he's in which doesn't really exist in time or space in the Other parts of the movies because he's basically like banished. He's not he's been kicked out of everywhere. Yeah, like he's not working with the bureaucracy. No, he's recently taken up residence in your tiny model. When did he not he used to work for Juno or with Juno. She at was her partner, which means Beetlejuice building kill himself. Hmm. How do you think people just killed himself knowing the color like he's rotten though? Like I don't know. I don't laughing gasps buried alive you bury yourself alive, I guess is possible poison. I don't know. He kinda guys like a Dybbuk or something. What have you up wasn't ever a person maybe not. You know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say he would have been classified on Earthly ground this plane as a misadventure. He technically a suicide but I mean like it's not his fault that he couldn't breathe underwater while he was drunk. He just forgot and never a moment. He just lost it all I guess so technically a suicide technically not it seems like he's a partier. Yeah that I think that's how it happened think it was an accident. So he identifies the Maitland's and he Stakes out in Adams miniature. He makes commercials for them and heats the occasional fly. And it's his goal to get them to hire him to do some work because he just wants to create Mischief. He just wants to cause Mischief in his 16 minutes of screen time. Yeah, because it's not like he really gets anything. Oh, I guess he's trying to get back into the real world because if he's banished from the afterlife will call it and he's obviously dead so he can't join the real world. He's he's a man with no country. He's got nowhere to go. So I think his goal no matter what In having the Maitland's hire him is to somehow get tricked or is to somehow trick somebody into marrying him so he could be alive again, which is perfect. Because Edgar Allan Poe's daughter, right? It's funny too. Because when he first pops up out of the first pops up out of the coffin if you think about his goal being I gotta marry somebody get out of here. He immediately asked sad. I'm like one of my chances of Barbara like I'd remember. Oh, yeah, but I mean, it's not like he can get anywhere by marrying Barbara, but it's just like that. He's So singularly focused like this is the mission we gotta do this, but he's also just like the the epitome of every kind of creepy. You don't want to be sitting in a room with like the moment. He is on screen. They look like they are backed into a corner and they can't get the fuck out. Yeah because he's a total creep but he's fun. He's a huge group. Yeah, but you're right. Yes. He is only on screen for like 16 minutes 14 minutes something crazy like that. Just nuts. He's the title character of the movie. He's what everybody remembers. He's who we all Quote is barely in it and Ebert. Hey, Them. I think it's because you just like oh this is nice small town ghost movie and then it just became this like zany neon green. I'm all about that neon green though. Like so about that neon green there is I don't know what it is so much of this movie is just like part of my fucking DNA like the green light coming through the brick wall door that they make so cool. Did the spider crawling on the top of the roof at the very beginning, but that alone is just like such a great fucking image to me and just like a Fect summation of the movie. Let's talk about some things maybe that we've noticed like the billionth time seeing this movie stuff that I never really paid attention to their is this genius shot where Delia is Delia Lydia is climbing up into the attic for the very first time. She's gotten the skeleton key from Jane. She wants to go see what's up in that in behind that locked door and as she's going up there are guys removing all that wallpaper that Barbara spent so much time putting on so good. Yeah, and they're steaming it off and that steam is billowing out into the Is where she's going up in the attic and she's just walking up essentially the through smoke. It just looks so perfectly Gothic but it's just a modern regular everyday thing that is is just being tilted slightly to get our sort of surreal McCobb moment. I mean then of course you have the green coming out under the door, but right and see what that's because Barbara and Adam are going through the door at that point and that's how she meets Beetlejuice and she ultimately calls him out and then he becomes the banister snake and Yeah, it's just think so good. We're here for your daughter Chuck so good. Yeah everything about it another really fun thing that I noticed probably like the 400th time watching it is when dele is doing her dinner, whatever. I think they're just having Chinese think it's in there having Chinese food. Yeah. She's so off. She fought see her hair is tied up with like shoulder-length glove and like the little the fingers of the glove or part of her hair accessories. It's just like this fun. Whimsical just like revealing thing about her character. Yeah, it's really weird. They are very very New York. I guess she is. Yeah. I don't know how he convinced her to move to this place in the middle of nowhere. Maybe he thought maybe a reputations were tarnished or something. Like maybe he did a bad business. But yeah, I like it or something. Yeah, he just did something to ruin his reputation like he got fired spectacular. Yeah, but it seems like he has sort of not run his career into the ground but All of his business connections think that he's a putz just what Robert Goulet calls him when he hangs up with them and it's funny because everybody in her professional career thinks the exact same with better to washed up because yeah, well, she's I think a stay-at-home mom. That one didn't have her own kids because Lydia's her stepdaughter. Yeah a-and she does art and she's not great at it. She's it's very interpretive. It's all about image, right and although is the exact same way. It's just two people that say the things they Our and as long as people believe the things they say they are they are those things like otho has done every job possible. But he's just someone who's like, yeah, I could be an interior designer hire me. He's just an Entourage. That's all he is. That's his job. Yeah, he shows up. He he costs a lot of money and at the end of the day he gives them a bill and they're supposed to say thank you a thousand times. Who's your favorite character in my favorite character in the whole film you get to pick a minor in a major. Minor and major character that's very hard. Damn. That's hard. I'm trying to think of like really minor characters my favorite minor character. I know I know who it is. Okay, it's the old Barber the beginning of the movie so different there's like good minor care. It's like 6:00 a.m. And he's just he's like, he knows everything about the town. He's the nicest guy and he just starts talking immediately. Like, oh you're working on that has you know that built that Foundation Back in 1856 dug up by hand and when he comes back out, he still going off like damn kid had a hairdo is his shoulders not just traditional could do this whole thing and my favorite major characters Beetlejuice. Like, how could you not it's hard. I think there are a lot of other people I'd rather pick not rather forget that there are I want to pick everybody for sure like otho is definitely one of them. But yeah Beetlejuice Beetlejuice has Betelgeuse is everything about this movie. Yeah. It's such a zany film. Lydia is great. I think my my major character. I'm going to pick Barbara. Yeah, there's no wrong answer like be happy about whoever you pick all of them. But I just want to say I'm gonna single up Barbara because she's so sweet. And and so pleasant well her and Adam as a pair of great but there's a few good gags with Barbara like the when Betelgeuse is doing his stupid sexy dance towards The Inferno really towards The Inferno room that he at He made we're gonna go never change and viruses. Actually Anna. Why did you build that? Well, then there's the moment to it's like the second date that they've been dead. She's sleeping. And then when he went Adam rolls over reveals that she's like it she's hovering. She's not even on the bed and that's when we find out that the the Deets of moved in like its honestly hurry up there in that suit. Yeah. There isn't a detail about this movie like I couldn't imagine cutting any seen Or not liking anything. I love everything about this movie. It is my art and it is dangerous. Yeah, I don't want to die like this one of my second second. I guess major characters would be Charles. I love watching every scene with Charles because what he's essentially done is bought this dead couple's house and he just wants to become that guy like, I'm pretty sure he's wearing his clothing and he's like reading all of his like what It was an average homeowner magazine like Bert I'm gonna take up bird-watching. Yeah, and it immediately discussed City finds a bird eating a worm. Well, he's definitely moved here to Stave off like a man like a breakdown I think so because he's constantly trying to just like get rid of the chaos and he just wants one room that is like his own that is unlike anything that he's ever had. So it's such an absurd story. Like I wonder what the kernel of they love the idea was because there's so many different ways this movie could have gone and the fact that it turns out that Betelgeuse is trying to Wed a child bride that is Lydia because she's also happens to be weird and then there's like Wedding but then the details are in over their head because they're trying to impress their business folk with goes. So then they perform this like spell / ritual that starts killing the Maitland's and this is all happening while Betelgeuse is trying to marry their daughter. Yeah. It's kind of book. It's kind of fucking nuts like it. Can you imagine pitching that to a studio like imagine Tim Burton logging and be like so sit down for a second guys? Remember that time you fired me from the lot this very lot. Okay. Well here I got one. It's an An exorcism movie but the people that are possessed are the ghosts like it's a house is being haunted by the living Yeah, man, so brilliant like there's there was a period in the 90s or just like every idea that guy had was incredible. I know he's got another one in there. I we just need to give him a low-budget. Maybe that's a big key guys with the key. No, it's the same as like the promise of technology. Today is great. So we all want to use it because it's great. But I just I want I wanted more 90s films. I want more 80s films. I just want to like take CGI and motion capture. I just want to get rid of them for a little while. I think the problem maybe Johnny Depp soon. We need to get moving to maybe we need to stop using Johnny Depp Tim Burton. Yeah, he's a crutch now, he's not is he in dumbo? Does he play dumb? I don't know. Does he like I have no interest in dumbo at all, but I'm not and I'm not on board with the Disney like streaming live action CGI train. I'm just not doing them. Yeah, I used to love Dumbo's a kid. I don't think it's going to make any any difference to me whether or not I like this new one. I mean it kind of just looks like that circus seen that circus segment in Big Fish. Yeah banded. That's probably why they why they chose Tim Burton to do it. Yeah and Danny DeVito's cast and basically the same role. Yeah, I think with Tim Burton and every other director that that's done it I think placing the darkness in the perfect nuclear family stuff is all gone. Like I don't know that we're ever gonna get another movie like his his early stuff. So thanks so smart though. Like we Edward Scissorhands. Oh, yeah, Edward Scissorhands is probably the best example Betelgeuse is also like a perfect example and he Wee Herman is a lot darker than it looks but it's like dark around the edges. Yeah. The my favorite thing about Tim Burton though, and I think a lot of people at least our age who are like us have this kind of connection to those early Tim Burton films because for me at least like Beetlejuice and Nightmare Before Christmas, like they were the first dark things that I was able to experience and I'm the only one in my family that's like me that's into what I'm into and to discover those things. So organically in these movies, it's like I woke up in me. Like I I instantly connected to them in a way that I didn't even understand like I didn't even know I was weird yet. Yeah, and it was just like I have this is for me or there are other people out there that are like me and that are doing things that are who they are like the fact that a person like Tim Burton can exist to creatively it just like opened up this world and me that I was just like it six years old. I think I saw Night Before Christmas when I was 4 years old, I probably saw this movie when I was 6 years old 6 years old and they both just stuck with me and have been my favorite movies for that long. Yeah. Yeah Beetlejuice particularly like I love Nightmare Before Christmas, but Betelgeuse is just so zany. And so perfect and it's got this Perfect Blend of being Whimsical and and still possessing this darkness and still addressing the darkness. Yeah, and Disney was really great about that addressing things that were dark or people dying, you know, like Disney didn't at least early Disney didn't necessarily skirt away from those things. Any movie though number for Christmas? Okay summer kids up for kids because Beetlejuice always played on YTV when we were kids like we it was accessible to us as children and it it connected to me in a way that I don't think anything ever ever ever did when I was a kid. Yeah, and it's weird to to describe yourself as a child is being weird because you think of of the weird and you coming on at puberty you think of like, you know, when teenagers are gauze and stuff sure. I was weird when I before Or those chemicals were even introduced into my body. Yeah, I was born weird and I connected to Tim Burton content. I think Tamra and time a lot of kids is where it really gets like set in stone because before that you have there are these scenes and movies that kids don't like because like, oh, that's the scary or strange part of the movie and I'm not nuts about it. But I want more of that. Yeah go on PC and we're back to be the whole movie. And then yeah when you see Beetlejuice ER Edward Scissorhands, you're like, holy shit. This is Oliver. Yeah, and it's fun to think about and I think about it now like that. There are kids out there that connected the way I did with Beetlejuice and they were for Christmas with Coraline and ParaNorman. Yeah, fuck all of paranormal like growing up weird is like a really hot because you are a loner your kind of a loan and being morbid, even if it's in a Fantastical way and I remember when ParaNorman came out and I was working like retail at the time with a bunch of moms and none of them were taken. Are kids to see it? Yeah, because it's because they didn't want to see people in it and it addressed death in a in a dark kind of way. Like it's just gonna be frank with you. It talks about death a lot. There's a girl that dies and they address it and they the fact that they didn't even show they didn't even let their kids see it because of the subject matter kind of made me sad because it's like what if your kids are weird? Yeah, like what if they're really into that what if they need something like that? Because I know that like if I grew up and I didn't have the weird kind of content that I did I don't If I would have explored creativity adds an outlet as much as I did as a kid, like I I sought out drawing and painting and sculpting and doing all that stuff and not because Tim Burton was all of those things. But because I knew that there was there was a spot for me in the world. Yeah. Is it easier to be weird now though because of streaming services though Oh, you mean like today like as a kid like I'm into this and I'm gonna look it up. Maybe yeah, I don't know because I'm not a cute in this periods reappoint. Well, I mean if everybody's got a device Ice and will at least say that a PlayStation or a smart TV with several Netflix profiles is a device then I think a kid can tailor their own weird stuff because if you tell Netflix, so I didn't like this. I like that. I like that. It'll be like hey, whoa watch.watch ParaNorman. Yeah. It'll I think you up to I think accessing things like that like that are are definitely easier nowadays, but to know that they exist I think is a different thing like that that you're saying the fact that disc LG's came along and it was just like I didn't know what this was. I didn't know it existed and it just got put in front of me exactly. Got it. Like the fact that I just I'm sure after that I was like, well, I need to watch everything like this. Yeah, or I need to see everything like this and you just get hungry for that kind of content. This Surprise needs to be part of that Discovery. I think so. Yeah and that new here that same story from a lot of horror fans in that most of us watch these watch scary movies way before we were supposed to yeah. We were staying we all wanted to is nothing but I think the Covery and like the vulnerable age at which you find these things. They become a part of you in a different way than if you were 18 years old and you're going on a date with your first boyfriend and you're going to see a scary movie. Like I don't think those people not that I'm not trying to be a horror elitist or anything. But yeah, you know get it. I just think it holds a different place in your heart. Yeah, then because it's so much more than just movies for the for the community and it's like a place of belonging. I guess it sure. I don't know finding out who you are through. Another just being a creative person knowing you're not the only person that's that kind of way is for me. Yeah, it's a very very deep connection I have with this silly Whimsical Phil. I think it's important to Lydia in the movie though, right because she is strange and unusual and she's so alone. Yeah. He's nothing like her family even though her family is fucking weird. Yeah, her family is pretty fuckin weird, and you could say part of it. So like a bit of a rebellion, I guess but it's not Like she is just strange and unusual and she finds that other people are also strange and unusual in their own strange and unpredictable ways. And it makes her a better person in the end. Well, yeah because I think she did she learns to that there's a different there's different kinds of strange and unusual like the like the Maitland's are this completely normal and perfect couple and the strange and unusual thing about them is just that they're dead. Yeah, and she gets along so well with them because she wants to be Had to but but no just because they're nice and they're kind to her and they give her the time of day which I think her parents are going through some things right now. I don't know how much love is in that marriage Delia's very self-involved her father's very self-involved. So she's not getting hurt a lot which which is I mean kind of every teenagers complaint and the fact that she can see them like is just evidence that she's not just a teenager who's going through a phase because she is able to read Understand the handbook. She helps them to understand the world that they're living in now. It's yeah, it's just so good. Yeah, they all help each other be better people. I guess. I'm really not how I thought I was gonna end this conversation but it is it it's really hard to talk about movies. You've loved it is so hard. Yeah. There's a reason why we don't we haven't done some of our favorite films on the podcast because it's hard not to take that to this weird like profound place. And I know it's just fucking Beetlejuice and it's just this wonderful Kick-Ass And it's allowed to be all those things. Yeah, it is. Just a fun film. That's why we put it on so many times. Well, what else are we going to do? Just like remind you guys like awhile those. I mean, like I think the front half of this is probably reminding you of like all those great scenes you love but yeah, we could we could walk through the plot or we could just talk about with the movie means to us, I guess and I assume it means the same to you listening. I've don't know that I've ever really met anybody. That doesn't like Beetlejuice. I'm sure once this podcast goes out. I'm going to find out that there are a bunch of people out there that don't Are for it everybody I know who is remotely interested in horror or strange things finds Beetlejuice to be like one of the best movies I've ever seen and how do you even describe Beetle because it's not a horror film. No, but it's definitely suitable for this podcast and it's definitely dark family. It's dark and Whimsical or comedy-drama D fantasy. Holy Tim hurt. Yeah. Yeah. There's just there's no way to just it's so zany. Zinnias genre. Well, I think any Marx Brothers movie were referred to as zany. So yes, absolutely. I think it's probably safe to assume as you've read have already that we're both giving this movie of four out of four, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. You give me eyes like I had a different rating. I'm sorry. Did you have any other any of anything else? You want to talk about the movie at all? Yeah. I just talked about on like as a concept car every want to talk about some comparisons. Between us some between Candyman Beetlejuice both movies deal with real estate. Obviously Candyman heavily focused in Cabrini-Green a lower-income housing. Not necessarily what we get in Beetlejuice, but Dad very focused on good parking and structure and like we could totally turn this place into an amusement park. He's gonna he's gonna come in and take something that's already got a purpose and read use it for something. I'm drawing a very loose connection here, but I think that I think the names thing is enough John I think Sure, just the sheer fact that we repeat names. Yeah, that's enough and you need to to evoke the mythical figure which both have connotations with the Bloody Mary legend. Exactly. Even though Betelgeuse is like that's kind of the end of it. I mean, I don't know he doesn't I guess it would be to just kill anybody. You think if he had the opportunity would he go that far? Does he kill the does he kill Maxie and Sarah Dean? There's the one question are those the two victims of the movie because he definitely launches them out of the goddamn. House, yeah, but it's that's I think even just being thrown through one floor. Like even if they on the second floor landing on a violence, I don't think that yeah, I think they would they would land out in they would be fine. I don't know we'll find out later. I guess. What do you mean if there's a sequel? What are you even talking about? Oh, I assumed he would open a maxi and Sarah's funeral. Oh 30 years later. Yeah. Are there any last minute things you want to talk about anything in regards to Beetlejuice that we did not. Just like the plot of I think we touched it. I think we did think we touched enough. Yeah, I super love the football team. I love Juno who played by Sylvia Sydney that we just found out was in God told me to which is a fun weird. Nothing like Beetlejuice move with you guys should definitely check out directed by Larry cone. I don't know I could sit here for an hour and rattle off everything. I liked about the movie. I know everything about I feel like it would just degrade to us like shouting quotes at each other and then then yeah like the newest episode and I'm wrong film Street was really weird. They picked a movie they really love and it was like nonsensical. Yeah. I think it's still going right now. I think there's still talking about I just like my podcast player keep playing I took my headphones out now, I'm buying a baguette. Yeah. So Beetlejuice four out of four, we do want to hear what you guys think about it as long as it's nice things. Don't tweet me that you hate movie because I'm just gonna not reply. I don't know if you didn't like it. Let me know that you can talk to John. Yeah. I'm just interested. I'm a wall of Betelgeuse love. Big surprise from mrs. Green hair over here. We are controlling transmission. This week's episode of nightmare and film street is brought to you by Baphomet & Co small batch soap inspired by horror and the McCobb this week's pick is the sunken Place bar a deceptively delicate soap that is light and warm with a bottomless calming inspired by Jordan peels get out memories of a hypnotizing gaze a warm smile with a hint of foreboding and endlessly twirling spoon get 10% off. Order with the code nightmare at Baphomet and co.com. That's 10% off with the coupon code nightmare at Baphomet & Co made by hands. Sometimes severed. We're going to stick around for a few more minutes and play a game that I put together called. What's my name? What's my name creative play on our creative play on the title of this episode. Exactly. It's really simple. I'm gonna I'm gonna read Kim the name. Of a ghost or a spectre and she's got to tell me what character that movies from. I'll give her some multiple choice to make it easy, but for example came if I was to tell you the name of this ghost his real-life name before he became a ghost was Daniel robitaille. Robitaille, you'd have to tell me what movie was he from Kim is it multiple choice not right now, but I require it. Okay sure. It's going to give the answer away. Is it is it lights out? The Candyman Candyman to her Candy Man 3. Is that what candy mans name is? Yeah, it's not something that you find out in the first movie. So came into well. Okay, I guess so. Yeah, I guess I would have been wrong but that is candy mans name. I hope I'm pronouncing it right. But yeah, I went back and watched that scene where they're talking about the Mythos set the at the dinner table and they don't mention his name. He just says oh Candy Man Legends exactly his he doesn't have a name anymore. Or that is that is his Persona. He has transcended his his physical form. He's no longer that person whatsoever. He's just Candyman say Beetlejuice. We don't know what Betelgeuse is name was doesn't matter but you can get that game. The ghost names say my name know what is it? What's my name? What's my name can get that over at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street in return for supporting the show. You can also get other bonus episodes and some other cool swag and merch If you could review the podcast give us a five star rating on iTunes Spotify think you can redemption Spotify. Yeah Stitcher. Anyway, you're getting this podcast to help us grow The Horde and get the show in front of morphine's it really helps. 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