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I've been wanting to play you these clips from this one podcast for a while. Okay, you've been keeping this. I just want to say you've been keeping this secret from me for like two months now. Yeah, because if I say anything about it, then it kind of ruins any surprise. It's from this podcaster who's learning how to host. So this podcasters about 20 episodes deep at this point and what Love about listening is in every episode. There's this moment where some of his style changes or he tries a new approach and hosting I just want to hear your thoughts on like his hosting and how it how it evolved over time. Basically. This is like a man's this is a man and up-and-coming podcaster or like I've been coming host of some kind somebody who's new to the game. Mmm and part of part of what you just said is really funny given what I will play in a second. So I'll just play the very first episode which begins with an introduction. Okay. This is my show about son. It's your whole Snake Eyes. This is my very first podcast and hopefully you enjoy it. So, okay, enjoy this video about science. It's called a show about science. Okay, Dad. You can should duck walk according go on. On the show about science today. My guess is my Mom. Hi, Mom. Hi Nate. How are you? Good God. I'm so glad so Nate is very new to buckets. So neat started his first podcast when he was five. Oh my gosh. He was in kindergarten. Wait, so he's like older now. Yeah, it was a year ago sounds been podcasting and the game for a year. So kind of like you literally she and I have the same first guess. His first guess was his mom and my first guess was my mom. I thought that was a nice parallel. Yeah, my mom was the very first guest that I had on sampler and I can totally understand why Nate want to have his mom be his first guest I could see why Nate would start with his mom. She's somebody that I already know very intimately and somebody who like makes me feel comfortable. I don't feel nervous talking to her. I totally get it. So I should say that his dad engineer. The show so it's kind of a family affair. You might say and if you didn't catch the name, it's called show about science. So he doesn't just interview his mom interviews like a bunch of different scientists of all stripes and in this episode. I'm going to play you next. He's talking to a marine biologist. It's his second episode and I want you to pay attention to His unique interviewing style. Okay. What do you know about sea snails say snails? They don't look like snails we get on the land. They don't always have shells sea snails don't look like snails you see on the wall and a lot of them don't have shells. A lot of them don't have shells but mine does yours do yep and they can also Very poisonous and they can also be very poisonous. But that's usually only the deep-sea ones they have to protect themselves. Keep on going. Okay, the brightly colored sea snails. Okay, so I'm picking up on a tactic that I can definitely understand and I've even seen Oprah herself use this one. Hmm. Um, sometimes when you're talking to a guest you want to repeat back some of what they've said to you so that they know that you're listening now he repeated back. Almost every single word. Um, so he was listening very closely, which is a great trait in the host. But the other thing that he did is he maintained a conspiratorial tone with the Audience by Whispering I definitely got the sense that he had a voice here. Like I was excited to listen more because I could tell he was a little bit cheeky his little Flair. Yeah use a little Flair. So I kept listening. This is his third episode. He's interviewing a food scientist called Shannon. She helps make the flavors for Starbursts like the candy. Mmm, if you've heard of it, and I want you to kind of listen closely for how neat really tries to connect with his guest. So was it like to be a food scientist? So it's actually super fun because it combines the things I've always loved a I loved learning about science and I love who food and nutrition. So the fact that you can combine those two and make a career out of that and make both healthy and tasty foods for people is really rewarding as far as a career, but that day Jesus and it's fine speaking of that. I made a really sweet juice that people would like. Oh, yeah, I didn't get myself today and I also made another dawa kisi today. Really? We are the ones uh-huh. What were they the first time was grape salted fishy cracker. Hmm. The other one was grape salted Cheerio. The third one was grape salty fishy crackers Cheerio, huh? I like grapes. I think it'd be fun. If we did a grape Starburst you think that would be good. Yeah, yummy. Congrats innate on using that wonderful $10 word. Delicacy multiple times great salted fishy crackers Cheerio. Yeah, so I don't know about would you eat it? Hell no. I like used to I remember making all sorts of I used to do this specifically with like juice and soda. It's called own concoctions. What were those concoction? I mean think of any juice think of all juices and just put them all together. It sounds good though. It's It was it couldn't have been they looked Brown and then I would try to get my parents drink it and they were just like no it's better than like me presenting my mother with a mud pie and being like you need to eat this with me like you actually were using real real food. Yeah. No, no. No II least at least spared my parents that ask I just like to he kind of went into a personal anecdote. It's a tricky line to draw the like how much of your own personal stories to put in there, but you have to say Sometimes like use that anecdote as like a connection to the other person. You know what I mean? You've primed your guests to trust you to understand you to work with you to talk to you. I feel like it's a good technique if this is where Nate is in 2016 at age like six, I mean sky is the limit. Yeah, and also remember this whole time when he's interviewing his guests, you know, how most people when you're interviewing you at least have notes in front of you to remind yourself of who this Cast is about something to prompt a question. So I'm just gonna come up with questions for you. I don't have them when down on the script because I forget them can't lead. I don't even know how to like white those word either. I don't know what that is. They consist of as well said. Okay, so so he can't read you can't write he was coming up with these questions out of the blue, which is why I think it makes this last clip that I'm going to play for you particularly poignant and great. It's from episode 8, he is interviewing an astronaut instructor incredible. So have you ever met a space shark was space dolphin? Straight to our course based offering. I don't think that humankind or human scientists have discovered or encountered a space shark or space built in yet. But if we continue exploring outside the solar system, no doubt. We're going to come across some other light form either going to remind us of a space human or a space shark or space often. I think it would be excellent. Yeah, they kind of us away from space sharks. Are you afraid of sharks? I'm not either and I don't go into their territory at night when they're hungry. I leave them be I never going to divorce a you stay in the shadows. Are you a good swimmer? Yeah. I sometimes even never going to See, but they only exist in the ocean. So I don't know why I feel into going to the Chicago Beach because that's a like I don't know why I don't want to go in there. I have no idea. Well, why is there a good swimmer and you know what people used to be afraid of the unknown like before we were pretty good at science. We would look at a big body of water. Like a lake and we never knew what was in there so we would think maybe there was monsters in there. So, why would we think that a lot of times we are afraid of the unknown? Yeah, everything you can be in your room and the lights on and you told you okay, but sometimes if you're in a room that you're just in with the lights on and then the lights go off it gets kind of spooky, right? Yeah, I think that because we get afraid of the unknown so we can't see it. If we don't know what's there are imagination starts to kick in and human beings are really good imaginations. Yes. Wow, that's amazing this like he was able to have this entire stretch of like adult conversation. You know the kind of got a little deep hmm, you know kind of got into like the big questions of Life Eight Episodes in and you're getting into a really interesting conversation about the meaning of the unknown. There's a lot to be gleaned from like a younger voice you don't I mean somebody who's not afraid somebody who's very curious somebody who's Self-conscious not only do I think that more young people should have podcasts but I also think that more adult podcasters should approach the craft like young people. What do you mean by that? I think that you know, there's so many things to think about when you're hosting there's like, what do I sound like am I communicating well with the other person am I sitting a good vibe you're doing all of these things and Nate really to me just exemplifies bring it back to Basics and just having a conversation led by your curiosity. Well, thanks for having this conversation with me. My pleasure. I'm glad I finally got to find out what it was. This was an excellent surprise. I'm so glad you can find more of Nate's wonderful podcast and questions about space dolphins and much more at show about science. Another standout episode is his interview with Santa. How did he ever get through get it was a big book. Like I don't know how he got that booking. We should all be very inspired by this now six-year-old podcast host gosh grown up before my very years. You're so corny. After the break things will get even more childish with little help for my boss gimlet co-founder and president Matt Lieber. This episode is brought to you by TaxACT. This tax season Tax Act has your back with their deduction maximizer and a hundred K accuracy guarantee. You can feel confident. You're getting the most out of tax season learn more about how to maximize your deductions and your refund and get 25% off federal and state filing attacks act.com gimlet. That's TaxACT.com gimlets 425 percent off federal and state filing welcome back to sampler. So today's show is all about podcasts and kids. So in the first half we listen to a podcast that was made by a kid and in the second half. We are going to listen to a couple podcasts that are made for kids. So I don't have any children myself. So I invited gimlet president and co-founder Matt Lieber into the studio with me to be are like child surrogate except like child surrogate is already an adjuster get makes it sound like I'm going to have Child 40 I wish you would I wish I could Outsource that task. Yeah, you can but not to me not to you and also I don't know. I don't think I don't think I can't afford that presently but you know since your way of asking for a raise is it working? So Matt Lieber? Yeah, welcome to sampler. Thanks. Okay. See your kids surrogate Matt because you have children therefore in sex than in Maximilian been Maximilian. They to podcasts they do. Yeah, how did they get into podcasts? Well podcasts are the family business. So obviously like I listen to a ton of podcasts and I feel like slightly bad about why they're actually into podcasts. I would like to say like, oh, they love storytelling and learning things and podcasts are great for those two activities. But the truth is I was looking for a way to Keep them out of my hair without having to have them watch TV. Oh, yeah, so I was like, what can I do? What can I have them do that's not watching TV, but that will occupy them and of course podcasts adults Leisure listen to podcast when they're doing other stuff like do they like child multitask like do they listen to podcasts while they play or get ready for bed or something? Yeah. I mean when they're doing their chores like when we make them do manual labor do the dishes that's pick up the house rake the leaves. Yes, they're doing dishes it for insect. Take out the garbage. No, I'm kidding. Okay, I was like I know they don't do other things the two main times to listen to podcasts are either on car trips. Mmm. And then sometimes they'll listen before they go to bed. Like I will tell them a story. Mmm, and then they'll be like we want more stories and then I'll be like cool I'll put on and then walk out of the room podcasts are your babysitter? Yeah. It's like my little automatic babysitter. So it were there what are their favorite shows to listen to some of their favorite shows are like story Nori Eleanor Amplified brains on story spark. Well, I know you have something to play for me from one of the shows that you use to babysit your kids. Yes, and then I will play something for you. Whoo, and hopefully introduce you to something new to add to their roster. Oh, cool. Okay, so the clip I brought for you. Is from a podcast called the radio Adventures of Eleanor Amplified who this is a relatively new show. It's like a scripted fiction show and the main character is called Eleanor Amplified and she's a radio reporter. So she covers different kinds of stories as a reporter and as she covers these stories they take her on all these crazy adventures and this was created by you know, Fresh Air with Terry Gross. Yeah, like an original. This was created by one of Producers named John Sheehan and he talks about how like this is his side project and he would like during lunch time. He would like, you know clear his desk and do sound design and scripting and production on on Eleanor Amplified then go back to making fresh air. The thing to know about this clip is that so Eleanor is the Eleanor is kind of a heroine and she's been investigating this evil tech company called Mega blerg. Mmm, and she has discovered some very incriminating information. It turns out that at the company was launching this weather satellite into space that was going to prevent hurricanes. But in reality its purpose was going to be to project banner ads on to the food. It sounds really nefarious. Yeah. So right before the clip Eleanor is digging around at the launch site of the satellite and Mega Bloks CEO tricks her into getting into a space shuttle mission control anyone. This is Eleanor damp. I'm on board the space shuttle Roger that Eleanor amplify. Did you know that this shuttles current destination is outer space. Yes. I'm aware of that Mega Bloks CEO Angela Branch shot me into space. Now. How do I stop this thing? Well, I guess you could detach the space shuttle from the rocket and glide it back down to earth. Yes. I'll do that. I'm Sorry Miss Amplified. I can't allow you to do that. You asked for this. Oh, no, my robot brain. I will see you soon. Steve Jobs pilot robot deactivating Mission Control. How do I detach the rocket boosters? There should be a large green flashing button on your control panel. Yes. Now what? You do don't push that button until you reach low earth orbit in about three more minutes. Oh, oh, yeah. Well, we see that you were in freefall heading for the ocean but don't panic you should have a pilot robot on board. They can take over and fly you to safety. No, I kind of pulled out his robot brain but for everybody to your right, you should see how vast expanse or ocean. Yeah. Yeah. And to your left you should see more ocean. So what do I do? Are you a strong swimmer? Relatively? Okay, the shuttle boosters should slow you down before impact and when the emergency hatch blows you can swim to safety. So I'm going to make it out of this. Sure. All right like your odds great. over here Hello. Hello in there. Wake up. My dear Angela brand rocket ship mega bleurgh Moon projector. Whoa! Whoa slow down. You're not making any sense. Just breathe a moment. Where am I? You're not born the Bonny lass the finest cargo ship the Shale the shimmering. She my name is Captain Kahn shotty and you are Eleanor Amplified Eleanor Amplified the radio report. I didn't credible. I love your show. Thanks. Do you have a radio or satellite phone? I've got to let people know. I'm okay, and I think my cell phone was damaged in the crash. Of course, I could make some tea for that's what you Lads come with me. Oh, no. Oh my God, that's incredible. I did use to Nanny when I was younger for kids that are actually about the same age as your kids and like the Horn of the hardest things to do when you have two kids in the car and like you want to listen to something they need to listen to something and those like it needs to be like child appropriate and it does it shouldn't be boring. Like I wish children's podcasts especially like this one would have been around like Eleanor has this like really exciting story that has all these twists and turns I just heard her go from being in space to like in the ocean to now on like a boat with like a Scottish. You know, Seafarer con. Sean re yes Khan choudhury. Yeah. It really does take you on a journey and like that and I think like the way that you go from space to burbling underwater. Yeah on this like a buoy or this boat this pretty great. And I mean the key so my kids love it and they will like taught like I asked my son after he listened to a couple episodes. Instead it's like so what went on and he'd like narrated the story beat for beat. So he's totally following it and getting it and but then as an adult it's there are characters that are there are funny trophy characters. Yeah that you can get a chuckle about or even just like the Sean Connery joke like having this like the Scottish like Stephen. Yeah, Irish. Yes. Oh, yeah. She you taught your you're talking like yeah one more time. No. Wind-up doll, but yeah, like I like that. Yeah, I mean like the best version of a kick the best version of any kids programming is just a great a great show organic pink the Pixar movies right like a six-year-old can watch them and get caught up in them. But then if you like as an adult, you can go back and watch Toy Story and up and like their kids just great stories with great characters and I don't actually need that out of a podcast. Like I just need it to engage them for half an hour. Oh, yeah. Well I go off and like right more emails but the best version is something like this where it's like it's the kids and the adults can like go on the journey. Yeah, so I have something for you. Yeah, I'll say yes. So the name of the show that this clip comes from is called shibam. I've heard of this but I haven't listened to it. So like you can you can hear this clap and then you can take it home and then your kids can have something new you can have yet another babysitter great. So shibam actually comes from this podcast Network called Fully boo, it's a science show that actually set in a fictional world. But in this world, there's a like zombie apocalypse. Mmm. So in this particular clip, you aren't really going to hear anything about the zombie apocalypse. But just to give you a sense of what the series is like they use this story arc of like a zombie apocalypse throughout the episodes as a way to explain a bunch of different times topics, like how the brain works or why humans get Sick, so the episode this clip comes from is actually about digital communication. Like, you know, texting cell phones. I know one of your favorite topics texting and cell phones digital communication. I feel like you are always pretty up on digital communication. Oh my God, you're making me sound so boring. No, I'm not making you sound like I walk around the office. I'm like, hey guys, what's new in digital communication today? It's actually what just happened, but it's got your I did just come by your your desk and start obsessing over to the possibility that apple is going To eliminate the headphone jack from the next iPhone exactly. So my description was hashtag accurate. So you're going to hear some characters. There's someone in it named Elliot and you're also going to hear the hosts Wendy rotor Weiss and Josh kurz as well as Mel Herbert. So the first voice you're going to hear is Josh curse. At any given moment. There are on average seven million cell phone conversations going on simultaneously in the u.s. So while you're going to the bathroom or walking down the street with your friends or eating spaghetti. This is what's happening around me and that's just the tip of the iceberg because no one just has cell phones that make calls anymore. Oh, Mom says don't pick up pizza. Go straight home and eat the frozen pizza texting pictures videos. It's how we communicate these days. It's in Fraser has been frozen. Since Civil War and the technology usually works so we don't think about how amazing it is. Just like we don't think about how amazing freezers aren't have freezers inside. Yeah. This is not my real car. So cute what they did else. Let's try and visualize how much information is getting sent back and forth Dean is coming after Elliot finishes texting obviously. Tell her dad. Okay, we're going to slow down time a little we stretched out a second. So it takes 5 minutes and podcast time. So a housefly that usually flaps its wings 200 times a second sounds like this. I feel like I could get so much more done right now. I feel like I could catch so many more flies right now. We've slowed things down to give you a sense of how many text messages get sent in a tenth of a second and people aren't just texting they're tweeting using the internet to post on Tumblr Instagram. And yes sending emails at this point 64 pictures have been uploaded to Instagram there have been five hundred and eighty three tweets 11,000. 500 text messages and 58,000 instant messages sent and that all happened in a tenth of a second. Which in real time last about this long. Let's try that again this long you got that. So in a tenth of a second this 58,000 instant messages just got sent this it takes an average person two years to do that many texts. Okay. So this flow of information pictures text phone calls, Google searches videos is constant and from all over the world and in all different languages and there's all these different machines. We have to send this information back and forth like smartphones and cable boxes computers and they're all connected to networks made of cables and other computers connected to other networks and sounds like a big mess. But it's not. Are you home yet? Still waiting on Pizza. It's not a mess because all of this information has been digitized meaning it's been converted into a digital language which we call binary but scientists call ones and zero we call it by caught one zero because it's a language that's just made up of ones hoop and zeros actually zeros sound like nothing, but we can just put that so we put Instead anyway, once information has been converted into ones and zeros. It said to be digitally encoded every selfie that gets sent every text message email phone call cable TV show and Grumpy Cat meme is information that has been digitally encoded and anywhere you go if you're sending a receiving information that's been digitally encoded. Can you turn up the TV a little you're sending and receiving millions and millions and millions of ones and zeros that even if you're watching the news in Spanish and some random pizzas. Joint in Los Angeles. That's real. That's its soup. It's nice. It's really cool how they basically managed to do like data visualization. But in the form of audio right by should like just like that tenth of a second. Yeah. I'm a big texter when they were talking about like, oh, you know, this many texts are getting set out and a tenth of a second it would take the average human two years and I'm like no I'm setting up at many texts. Yeah every tenth of a second. Did that and I'm like, that's me. I was like you guys actually just been studying. My how do you text with I have family group text. I have my best friends from home group text at my best girlfriends from Howard group text. I have like my friends who I live in Brooklyn kind of near group. I also these are all grouped X. These are all group text. I'm not always always like I also have individual. Can I sample your group test? I just did dying to know what the hell is that girl's group. Oh, no. Um, come on. I can't why not that one kidding me. What's it? About it's about like everything. I mean we talked about usually like were we talk a lot about like either like boyfriends are being single a couple of my friends have kids. So we talk about their kids you will send videos we talked about vacation we talk about what we saw people doing on Instagram die together. I just wanted to this group gonna get in line. You gotta get like I gotta go do four years at how are ya you gotta go do for years. Are you not going to let me see the absolutely that would be a major betrayal of trust of four of my closest friend. I don't know who they are. No, nothing. He can't do that. Can I betray people's trust? I'll even read my text. To recap what you've heard on today's show the adorable hosting by Nate came from the show about science the thrilling space shuttle mishap was from the radio Adventures of Eleanor Amplified and the explainer on digital communication was from the podcast shibam. All right take it away Nate. Thanks, Brittany. This episode was produced by Sarah abdelrahman. Kick Parkinson Morgan and Brittany lips. It was edited by Annie. Yo Strasser and white clown eater cloudy and Peter Clowney try to get that pop in my what what and Peter clowning a special thanks to my dad and producer Eric Butkus Samplers. The music was made by Michael Vale and the and music was made by Mark Phillips. The show was mixed by Hayley Shaw and Matthew bull sampler is a production. None of gimlet media. Thank you Britney for having me on your show. He had sampler is the like a bit like the gold of podcasting. I am talking like about Mount Everest gold. Yeah nowt ever scold. I am talking like about Mount Everest gold. Yeah nowt ever scold.
Brittany listens to an up-and-coming podcaster with an inspiring approach to hosting. And her boss tries to convince her that podcasts can be a part-time babysitter. Episode #26 features clips from the following episodes (please go to our website www.gimletmedia.com/sampler for links to all episodes):  The Show About Science, "Episode 1: Science With Mom" The Show About Science, "Episode 2: Sea Creatures with Adam"  The Show About Science,"Episode 3: Food Science With Shannon" The Show About Science, " Episode 8: How To Become an Astronaut with Mike Mongo"  The Radio Adventures of Eleanor Amplified, "Episode 2: The Bonnie Lass" Shabam! "Episode 4: Getting the Message" The Facts  This episode was produced by Sarah Abdurrahman, Kate Parkinson-Morgan and Brittany Luse. It was edited by Annie-Rose Strasser and Peter Clowney. And special thanks to Eric Butkus. Sampler’s theme music was made by Micah Vellian and our ad music was made by Mark Phillips. The show was mixed by Haley Shaw and Matthew Boll. Sampler is a production of Gimlet Media. Related Links  Kids Listen -  A great resource for discovering and supporting high-quality audio content for children. Nate, host of The Show About Science, was kind enough to share his favorite podcasts with us. They are: 1) Tumble 2) The Big Listen 3) Brains On! 4) History Chicks 5) Ear Snacks 6) Story Pirates Our Sponsor Blue Apron – Delivering all the fresh ingredients you need to create home-cooked meals. Click now to get your first two meals for free. 