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AfterBuzz TV we keep wanting to say The Bachelor after show because there's like two days ago that we were talking about Colton letter now, we're back with Hannah be but it was a crazy night guys. It was a season premiere of season 16 of that 1515 season 15 of The Bachelorette. Of course, we are following Hanabi quickly at this is your guys first time tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. We thank you so much for joining us. We are the ESPN of TV talk and tonight. We are covering in reviewing the season premiere of season 15 of The Bachelorette starring Hanabi. I'm not doing it by myself though guys my Name is Jeff Graham and I'm surrounded by a group of Brilliance. Obsessive Bachelor fans. Including Miss Christine Bean. Hey guys, it's Christine. I'm back. So excited for the best threat. So excited have heard. Of course. We have Mike feeling filling and you guys have seen him on the Survivor after show. You've seen him on the nail. My God not just like us is one of those brilliant people who happens to love junkie reality to your percent and Mike's going to bring our Fierce Cutthroat approach to The Bachelor at a time. That's right. And Alicia always comes with the hot takes you seen her on Clever. You've seen around the trendy Renee area. We're so excited to have you tonight. Hey you guys. Oh my God. I'm so excited The Bachelorette is bad. It's back quickly guys are going to be covering the show. Of course. That's not all we're doing. We also have some epic news and gossip a couple people were kicked off of the show and our segment tweeting for the right reasons because we haven't pushed the hashtag yet. We won't be doing any Tweeting for the right reasons tweets tonight, but for next week, if you hashtag tweeting for the right reasons, we may read your Tweet on air. We've got to get an overall thoughts Renee. I feel like You're bursting at the seams. Let's go ahead and start with you. What did you think of tonight's show? I did I said it last week. I said it when I was announced. I'm really here for a Hanabi as Bachelorette. Yes. I already have my crush of the Season as we know as Peter not to be mistaken with the OG Peter of Rachel season love him too. But I'm so excited and the t's really got me hooked. Great tease. Hmm. Ladies first Christine. What did you think? Yeah. I'm with Renee on that. The t's is what really sold me in terms of tonight over. Pause I thought it was a decent first episode. I wasn't like Blown Away per se but the t's definitely gets me excited for what's to come. I agree with that and my feeling I forgot to mention you are of course filling in for Kristina's. Yeah. That's right. Christina will be on the panel this season got she couldn't be here tonight. But luckily we had and we miss you Christina, but we do have great villains like Mike we thanks for joining. I'm super happy to be here. I love the episode. I was very very satisfied with it. I love some of the drama and I don't really get into it, but I got to say I really really like Hannah a lot more on this show than I I did on her season of The Bachelor. I I like her a hundred percent more and I got sold in this first episode. I'm ready for it. I totally agree. You guys know I came into here not as a Hannah hater, but as a hand a skeptic, she's someone I always liked but just feared wouldn't be able to carry a TV show and I thought for the most part first of all she did a great job tonight and I thought she made for pretty interesting television. So I'm optimistic about the season. I thought it was a pretty good episode probably like a b-plus. I'm with you there. Yeah beep last but tons of exciting stuff to come up before we get into talking. Biggs how did you guys think Hanabi did tonight first night? She's got to carry the show do we think she did? Okay Mike you're nodding. Yeah. I absolutely do my criticism of Hannah from her time on The Bachelor was I thought she had a hard time shutting off pageant Hannah. Yes, so I never really thought I saw who the real person was. I thought I saw the real girl today. I like what she did. She kept everything in line. She didn't seem super overwhelmed. I thought she kept it moving with all the guys and she did a great job at eliminating the Trash hmm. Yeah, I think right off the bat. I think I mean to be honest. I see I agree with you a little bit with the how she's different from her last season because I think she was pageant Hannah like the first half and then her rest of the time. I think she was the girl that we saw tonight like I loved when was it? What was it her team that when they did that on like Survival game like they went to get food. Like I loved her showing her personality towards the end and that's what really got me excited for this season, and we see it and I love that she actually and Could be mistaken with seems like she just being herself doesn't care. He's being real as they really emphasized Universe episode to anyone who watched our watch along Renee pointed that out pretty early that ABC is like very much driving the point home that she's relatable. She's relatable. She's relatable identic. That's something that I was struggling to understand going into this because I didn't personally feel like she was relatable to me. Now with that being said after seeing tonight, I will say she's very transparent. I'm gonna like anything she's feeling it's coming out of her mouth. I'm nervous right now. I'm scared. So I'm definitely appreciating that. I am going to give her a little more time to develop as a lead before. I really, you know, make any judgments about her but so far so good and I will say based on her interactions with the guys. I do think that she is here for the right and raises. Yes. I think she did a good job of seeming like she was really critical and focused about the intentions of the guys who were there and she seems like the type who is ready to settle down pretty quickly which isn't always true of the women. See go through this franchise. So Hanabi you pass tonight so far so good. Okay. We're just going to run down the episode guys. That's how I want to cover it tonight chronologically quickly. How do we think Hannah was presented? We got to see her hometown. She did a HomeTown with Chris Harrison. We went to Anders Hardware. We saw some photos of young Hannah any comments here on the Wane. I didn't know and I don't think any of us knew that she was a dance teacher. I found that I came out early on in the episode. Some kids got some kids get a room. Exactly, it's good that you know, she has a day job besides her pageantry. I guess this was us like getting to know Hannah just outside of that guys to know that it seemed cute seeing heartwarming. I like it. I it kind of endeared us a little bit more tour. I think in our watch along Chad Joseph Bose. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing it right buddy, but he said multiple times. It's a little bit of PR from the network, right? She had a lot of hate coming her way from The Bachelor a lot of negativity. So we had to start her right off the bat being All nice shower with some kids. I don't know what it's called me. I'm buying it and actually shocking that they I mean I get it for the pageant drama, but she would have been so much more likeable in my opinion last season coming across as like a dance teacher for kids. Yeah, that makes you so much more real. Oh she loves kids. She's good with kids. She's so sweet. Whatever maternal it says a lot because I think it's be very patient. I honestly working with kids in general have to be very patient. So already it shows good quality. So I'm very surprised they We did not know that at all. Right what it is. No, sorry to cut you off. No, I was gonna say big don't need to push the pageant rivalry in the season, but they didn't last so we can open up that and the fact that we never actually got to her hometown. Maybe that's why we didn't get to see it. But you did have a package where it was not mentioned and that's what I think is weird. I have a feeling she one time volunteer the dance teacher becomes the truth is Colton was so about that kid game that if the producers really wanted to sell us on Hannah we would have known that. True, so it's weird for us to see a charity where Colton's pushing kids and all of a sudden we learned that Hannah works with kids. Yeah true. Oh, look. I saw our producer Jonathan. You guys are watching live is in fact giving us some info. He just like us he's also dealing with 30 new faces. So John appreciate you doing your best as we throw names out. But if you're listening to our podcast hop on our YouTube and see some of the amazing work our producer Jonathan is doing in the booth as he throws up faces. Okay new again new features. We have the Vlog. Gagging introduced from cold and how do we feel about seeing two guys Vlog before they get on side ABC's trying so hard to keep up with the times and it's really cute. You know, it's like your mom like joining Instagram. You're like, oh my God walking, you know what that is. I like it because I it I don't know how I feel about for this show because it is so produced that I think it's hard to incorporate something like flogging that supposed to be very natural organic natural on this show. However, I'm willing to give it a try. I do like the idea of contestants vlogging more so than the Lead because like literally why I don't see Colin wake up every morning, right? Oh my God, you guys like there's so many girls and like I don't want that. I personally don't get it at all. I think it seems really out of print Place really produced. It seems very forced. I'm surprised I'm not surprised that they're making the people do it. When I am surprised is that they're airing it on television. That's me is a digital feature. That should go there if you want to go get more extra content because it just looks out of place on television also to that point. It's like We're in the 15th iteration of this season, like seeing how excited they are to get there. Like we're even do this. Yeah, we can kind of assume that's how they feel and it is a little bit Overkill. I liked it. Alright, so now we're going to talk about we're going to start by talking about just the small packages. We get us some of the guys we don't need to spend too much time with the guys that get kicked off, right but Tyler see didn't make it through and we do see some of Tyler see being shady in the package later. So I've already got the heebie-jeebies from Tyler see he's the one that This prepackaged Footloose thing where he's dancing and almost minored in dance at Wake Forest Christine beat. How do you feel about Tyler? See just based on this initial dance sequence we get from him. I don't know if I was kind of corny to be honest Tyler see just he comes off too. So charactery to me. I don't know there's something about him. I don't trust yet. Yeah. I don't know if it's the stair. It just it just comes off like he's trying too hard. I'm just going to keep it there. That's because he is trying too hard. He's like, yeah. Yeah, like I'd build houses and I dance and I don't it just felt so produced and like he was trying so hard to be famous and get recognized like he wants to be known as the guy that was dancing shirtless in the house that he's building and I was so waiting for the joke of like this could be Hannah and eyes house, right? Yeah. It's like anytime they cut those packages like that to me. It feels overly force and it feels really cheesy. It's like he's trying to come across as the guy who doesn't take himself too seriously, but like probably really Right, right, right super seriously for sure. You just kind of gave me the heebie-jeebies. Not not sure about Tyler J. Tyler see Tyler see their see thanks so much so many initials but in the thing is to we'll get to it later, but we did see some shady Antics seemingly from Tyler see in the package at the end. So I fear that my suspicions are correct Tyler. See I'm giving you a chance, but I'm worried buddy. All right, Peter the airline pilot Renee's already swept love him gotta move over this way. There's something about his smile and his eye contact and the weight Honestly though. I felt the connection not just between me and him obviously but no between him and Hannah loved his package. Love the brief moment. We saw them talking. I'm here for Peter. I think he's gonna win how much of it is the uniform? Probably none of it to be. All right, that's real. Then I think that he'll go very far. I don't see him winning though. Wow also chance for us. Look at how cute he is something I noticed about Hannah is like she's this like ball of fun and she says what she thinks but I think she needs a man who can kind who can celebrate that about her. But also reel it in and kind of take control when necessary. She's kind of alluded to that and things that she said in her eye teams as well. And I just think Peter will go along for the ride, but I think that she will like Tire him out. I feel like yeah and it's just a lot for him you do you think Hannah's the type of bachelorette or just person General who needs to end up in a relationship. Ship with the opposite not of Yin and Yang type of thing. No. No, I think someone actually I think she wants us kind of fun-loving southern guy with a sense of humor. Oh for sure, but she want them to also be like manly. Yeah, I do there. She said that yeah pick her up. She would love like a James Taylor remember him. I know he got Shady but singer, well James Taylor curly hair James Taylor from JoJo season, maybe before he kind of went off the deep end but cover that likable Southern goof, correct? Goof southern guy but still sort of alpha. Okay, I think Peter the pilots kind of boring. I'm going to say it. I know you like, where's hold your tongue? I think nice we saw him. This is my second. He's nervous name someone with zest. Okay. Listen, I like him but like me. Well, okay, I'll say Joey because I still can't get over his champagne little intro. He didn't get a lot of times. It's just that exciting. He like champagne. Look at the baby. Just kidding. Let's get the party started Renee just because you already Ask Peter the plane of the ring in the mail - I don't dislike Peter the pilot. I just think he's a little boring and I also don't think even if I like him, I don't know if he seems exactly right for Hannah yet. But he's gonna go very far. We all can tell that Peter the pilots gonna be top three at least same as P Chef. I don't know if you're going here with it just yet. But Misha see in the chat says apparently Twitter very upset about which pilot made it in we will get to Chase and later on the show. You toss that Very happy quickly that all you guys are here. I see a whole block what I see in me should see I see it, you know all you guys we don't ever have time to shout all of you all out, but we truly do love you. We're just moving because we've got so much to cover for sure. Okay, Mike J because I've got a crush on someone to guys. I've got a crush on Mike J. My John - John Johnson really like my Johnson like was initially in the Air Force right and now he's a portfolio manager and if you needed to believe he was a portfolio manager. He said 5.7% on the phone. We tell you something my background is finance that's literally never happened in the history of portfolio management. You're hanging out on the phone in a park talking to your client about out with my frozen. He started me. Hey Jeff, how's it going? 5.7% Thank you. I like him a lot. I he dates his great-grandmother. Did he did he did he also say in that package that his favorite movie is home alone. Did I get that? No, he said he's dating like Malone he doesn't have anybody. Yeah, gotcha. That's why his first love is his great grandma because he didn't have any girlfriends. Do you guys say? No, he didn't in my first love. He said the first woman I fell in fell in love right was his great. Grandma. Tell me this is that something people say I've never said that in my family I get that you're like, oh the first man that I look like I get it like with your dad. I don't know why I got a Southern accent. The first man that I loved was my dad like I guess that's holy the first man I loved who was my dad. But the first man I fell in love with that my dad and I probably wouldn't say that. Is that weird or am I weird? You tell me I think I think he didn't mean it like that at all. I think he mean I would hope you know that phrase is weird. Renee says Mike is so damn fine like Damn, thank you Renee. Appreciate that early on Jeff. You made a good call out that you could totally see him being the first black male bachelor's I that's what he's about. It's episode 1. Yeah, and I know it's early for me to be making these kind of statements but I almost don't want my J to win because I think he'd be based on what we've seen such a great face for a Bachelor season. He looks great smile. Yeah, and you see this thing about Eric that one point and we see how that turned out. Yeah. True. That's why it's so give it some time soon. But think he's an Air Force veteran. He 5.7 those portfolios and he had those five Seas right caring compassionate. Can you remember more than him great debut for my Johnson? We cannot deny that I like him a lot. I see good things for him. Alright, let's talk about boxing Joe. You can final Christine being what do you think of jobar son? Oh my God, he was such a character. He tried and failed. So hard to be grocery store Joe. I'm sorry. And your name is Joe. It was just too much to Gago the Chicago accent. He was just laying it on thick like I don't even know if that was good. But I don't I feel like I disagree with the grocery store Joe analogy because Joe just very like kind of humble like quiet just super Charming guy. He was like I make boxes and what kind of box do you want to sell you a box? Like he's very out there with it, but I think he just went that route because I think he Like in his mind, he thought he was going to be as smooth as and unassuming as jungle. Definitely. Yeah, see, I think the only reason he went home, right? Yeah. I think the only reason we're comparing him to Joe is because he went home the first night but like you don't see that trending on Twitter like bring this throwback. No, he's not going to be in Paradise or maybe for a hot second to deliver boxes, but don't be amazing if he had to deliver a package to the paired. So I think if we're being honest the real grocery store Joe tonight is chazen which I saw a man. Yeah. And we will get to that in a little bit. Okay, half-asian district sales manager Connor, you know because they talked about why intro immigrant family car salesman Connor Connor Jay, I believe for our producer who's searching for him. This was interesting. Yeah. I think he for some reason I don't see him going that far but I see him as a staple of the bachelor franchise. I liked him he switched over for me. Yeah when they did his opening package and he was talking to the other car salesman. I thought Thought he came off really Jerky like like to lash exactly. Yeah, and then when he got into the actual date and being at the house and obviously he got through. I think he changed over I think it was just a badly edited package or however, he was acting that day was kind of not real. Yeah. He did have an interesting little date idea for the cocktail party through Hannah a bachelorette party. How did you guys feel about that? I liked that. I thought it was cute and clever. I'm sure he didn't come up with it. I guess he doesn't I'm not drawn to him. I'm just like, okay. I'm not either he's free. Well to me, I think those things in the backyard are corny when they do that stuff in the first night, we ever works and it's hardly ever with the person because usually if it's the right person. They don't have to try that hard because I think a solid entrance does it versus like the extra planned activity later Ferry before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account. Count Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. 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We're going to cover because he did get eliminated, but Matt Donald's it's kind of a surprising so in the package and in the package, I I thought he presents it is very likable. He came from a deaf family multilingual with ASL. Yeah, then that entrance came you came out with that hat on a tractor and saying Old Mac Donald had a crush and I just don't think it played very well if he did it in a better way, it would have worked because it is the type of ridiculous that would work on the show. However, his execution very poor. I think I think a hundred percent different outcome if he came out with The ASL and signing to her and then telling her what it means and that it's important to his family about like that's deep and it's real. That's really cool. Yeah, the playful route. I think he was trying to get ahead of the joke before I got ahead of him, but it was just like, oh man, is it weird that I don't even put that joke together. Like I don't know. I think he grew up with sure everybody thinks that no Old MacDonald. Well, yeah, but I think Matt Donald the song, I don't know. Uh, yeah, you really don't - it was going off the rails it brings you to that interesting discussion though of sometimes it's actually better to lay low on night one because Matt Donald came out so hard which of course gives you the opportunity to potentially move on. But if you play too many of your cards, you're allowing Hannah to make a decision. Whereas if you lay kind of low maybe like pro golfer Garrett you intrigued Hannah. Hold on Garrett wasn't him laying low. It was his face. Did you see his face? You are 18. Is because he laid he could have sang Old Mac Donald standing on the tractor picked her up on it and brought out cows and she's still would have kept him the handsome chap that Kara night one. Here is a handsome chap. I see Frank you going far for sure. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, he's kind of her type to right guy named Garrett pro golfer Southern kind of serious pro golfer. Wait, hold on. Is this the same one who like basically dates his dog that was from The Bachelorette special talking about I would watch that there was a there was a little mini packaged wait. I'm getting the loop down because people are starting to talk about him on top of the limo. We're actually getting to the Luke right now. What is up? Hope Lockwood so Luke. He admits it. First of all, he's a good-looking guy. He likes to work out. Yeah, so good-looking that he slayed a lot in college. Wow, but while he was taking a shower that we got to see we did get our first of many man showers this season. We learned that Luke P had a conversion had a come to Jesus moment now he is Serious Christian and he is aggressively pursuing Hanabi keyword aggressively very I'm gonna just start because I have a lot of thoughts Luke Pi I see who you are. I know you're a chivalrous courtship kind of Christian dude lot of aggressive Alpha energy here. That was rubbing me the wrong way. What did you guys think? I don't like him at all and I stand by I think Hannah likes him, but I think the reason he got the rose is because he went out. Out and was there for her when she was having a rough time had they not had that moment. He would not have gotten the rose who's because things have like, oh this showed good character. So I'm going to reward him. This guy's a Psycho II disagree. I think he's gonna think he's a psycho. No, I think it was gonna get sorry. I agree with that. But I do think he was gonna get a rose if he hadn't gone out and your I think I thought you was going to make it through because I think Luke is going to make it pretty far. I do not think he's top for and I definitely don't think he's gonna win. I think he's gonna be here for a while. We see in the Coming Attractions that he's got drama going on with at least one or two people and it's going to be interesting but I think he was gonna make it through I think what you for the first impression Rose. No. No, it's like period no, I think he would have made it first impression. Oh, I'm sorry first impression Rose hundred percent had they not have that moment. I totally misunderstood. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely because I'd F and this is why it was so disappointing to me and maybe it's not like this guy's not gonna win. I hope but like Usually on The Bachelorette the first impression Rose does end up being the fiance at the end of this so when she gave it to him I was like, whoa, it is though with guys like that. Like I totally agree. I think he's I don't think he's the guy for her. But I mean, he said he got girls like he has that bad website. There is something about guys like that that is captivating. I'm sure he knows how to like use his strength to reel her in that intense stare and whatever moves you that I'm sure it worked on Hannah. She's human like yeah, he's gonna stick around for a bit for sure. In fact, let's just unpack the Luke of it all because while we're talking about Luke now, they're the thing that I did not like about Luke was he had to swoop ins. He was the first to swoop and steal her and on his first swoop. Renee was the one who pointed out. He didn't ask a single question about her. He came in with a five-minute pre-prepared monologue and I didn't like it. I don't I don't think Luke is a really giving us authenticity here, even though he thinks he is I'm kind of curious at this point is might be getting too deep. But like what is Hannah's love language? Is it words of affirmation because he was really just laying it on thick and like she kept stressing like yeah, like eat like just really eating up every single word. So I'm like, I'm hoping he's just not going to gas her this entire thing. Yeah, but you probably will she ate up every single word like he ate up her face when they made out. That's true. That's true. It's Renee. It was that was hard to watch. We said like I'm already so into you so you've got some catching up to do like Sam what? Yeah. She liked it. I like this. Like the swoops. I like the soups. I like the aggressiveness. I like getting in there. I like taking time away from other guys because just like we talked about near the end of the episode when some of them start crying and complaining that they didn't get a chance. It's like sorry dude get in there. I don't understand people who want bachelor and bachelorette and it show on the couches the entire time the first night and it's like just waiting for the perfect time. It's like there's 30 people. If you don't get up there you're going to get surprised by Chris Harrison saying, hey guys time for the rose ceremony, but to be honest even though he stole her twice. Weiss I think it's so funny that this group of guys is so not traumatic to the point where like they didn't really care that much that's right on thing. That's so funny. Like maybe they forced an IT em, but they were unbothered whereas the producers were like, I know something bad Y is he's the worst don't hate him and they're like, no the reason is it because he would have been the one to be that person if someone else swooped in hundred probably he is the aggro here. I knew he was gonna swoop in though. I definitely am like someone like that is Going to let an opportunity be wasted. Oh my prediction with Luke. I know these types of guys. I was involved with Christian stuff in college and I still am religious, you know, but I know these types of guys who are so traditional and so conservative. He thinks that she wants to kind of guy who will Court her and lead her and kind of sort of tell her what to do. I think I think he thinks she's that type of person but I don't think Hanabi is who we think she is I think in some ways she's a traditional Southern girl, but in some ways she's a quirky independent woman. And that's what's going to happen. They're going to come to a head because he's gonna want her to be this really submissive Southern girl and she's not that Jeff that is exactly what I thought and think that she is. Yeah, you do think she is a completely submissive but no no no, I think I think I don't think that America thinks that yes on her edit. I mean, they're really trying to push it. However, I prediction I do think that yeah, that's going to be luke that's the one that drives over to be like you got who did that on on Becca season where they got mad at her in there. This Chris got matter her felt like she owed him something. Yeah, it's going to be similar to that except more crazy. Tar URS. Are you predicting that it's Luke in that end edit package that we saw where she said I don't owe you anything. Hmm. We got another personality as extreme that we've seen thus far right that would match because I'm kind of ownership over her after like they had one one-on-one date and now all of a sudden in his mind unless a lot of people are predicting that Luke is going to be the one to kind of sex shame Hannah later in the season. I could also see that it might you know, I could see it being a number of people but I will say based on what we know about Luke. And again, we're making assumptions. This is episode one. We might come to love Luke. I'm guessing he wants to put Hannah in a box that isn't the Box she wants to be is what I'm going to guess. Well, Olivia be and Scott Marks in the chat agree with you. They're calling out the funniest quote. I had sex and Jesus still loves me. That was a lot. That was anyone think it was a bit problematic. And I'm sure we'll get more when it comes to that episode when she does say like I think sex is between a man and a woman after marriage and I'm get rid of the after marriage but just between a man and a woman that's going to I think that's a great some controversy. I thought the same thing when they showed up. Yeah. I was like you're trying to make her likable don't don't don't have a lot of America likes that though. You know, we forget we're on the coasts and tons of Middle America are going to identify and even people on the coast are going to identify with exactly what she said. There may be interesting to see how it plays. She's not going to be the feminist icon. They want her to be if she's gonna be no pleading with that. I don't ever feel like they were positioning her to be a feminist icon. But it's just like she's there saying like she's relatable. She's the girls go this it but yeah, let's talk about this a feminist. But yeah that Ali I guess I'd love to hear everybody's opinions because I don't think I know we're saying all this stuff. We're seeing all this stuff online with all of this taken into account. Why is she The Bachelorette then? I think I think they're trying to get more of a Middle America sort of Kabul like someone like my parents would be interested. I don't know I think like Colton was such a salacious season. I think they're trying to get to back something a little more traditional. Maybe it was her exit. Just what she said. Like absolutely. What is it getting a love? That's fear. Someone who's going to fight for her everyday something along those lines. I just think she had a really strong exit. They just try to bring like convince us that the new girl is totally different than the last girl same with like the guy. So for her, she's Yes, and she thinks sex is between a man and a woman only I don't know. I think they're trying to really play up this she's real and she loves Jesus. You know, who's realest what sorry, I realize how she didn't say it. She said fudge real inspired my girl Rachel NZ. We're going to find that out. And yeah, I think Hannah has To really go that direction but I don't know that it will from what we see in the trailer. Well, we got to keep moving guys, but any other thoughts on Loop before we move on the one thing I'll say twice interesting Hannah said she was cold and he did not take off his jacket. Come on Bonkers. He's cutting you off centered. This guy. This guy's the biggest red flag. If you're out there he clearly could take off his jacket. She's like I'm cold and he's like, oh, yeah, so and she's like, I'm talk to you about loving and you'd like You know what his logic was if I take off my jacket, where is she going to pin the rose? I'm again. Keep it on because my face. Okay, so we only we don't have a ton of time, but I'm going to quickly run through entrances give it either a like it love it or a pass and if you want to talk about it will stop but Garrett talked about bogeys and holes-in-one like it. Yes. I love it. Yeah run it from Renee Mike Johnson the five Seas. Yeah. Mike's Good Michael. Yeah, like a cool Jed. My family told me you need to shine in. And outside don't like the entrance like Jed a lot though serenading later. I was just made up for it later and I see a musician or higher CTR dancer from Wake Forest comes out and says you're killing that dress your smile is worth every Mile and I got something in store for you cheese. It was weird and full creative like it Tyler see Dylan. I really wanted to be you you're authentic and it's hard to find Dylan's white jacket the text no no from today. No, I'm neutral on that one. Connor s jumps offense. Yes, quite a throwback to: okay. Devin jokes about being a virgin. No different really dumb. It were really dumb surprised haven't stayed around personally same bad opener John Paul Jones. I'm on I loved him just because of how ridiculous he was. Jpj is ridiculous. Jpj. She reminds me of the bad guy in a Disney Channel original movie. Yeah, you're watching Disney look like a surfer bad guy. Name? Yeah, Brian. I liked he for he was the teacher from Kentucky forgot how to talk teacher didn't get eliminated. Yeah, whatever. I think I feel like if I was on the show, I'd be Brian. So I identified with you Brian. All right, Scott. No, I mean I haven't even got to this God Will Save Scott Mateo forgot how to talk but he does have a hundred fifty children and that's gonna be a no for that's going to be interesting when it comes up. Yes, you gold. I'm sure. Sure, Tyler G was the intense dreamer who said you've been starved. No, that's not that's Tyler. Gee, you're the girl of my dreams. Okay. Matthew is a carbon Spotter and I can't remember anything else about oh what a car bed spotter. That's all I have Matthew but he was cute. Okay, I need to figure out why we forget you Mary Jo the body. We talked about Joe. Oh Joey with Finance manager with the champagne in the baby carriage weird. I feel like our panel is divided on that. Yeah, like it I like it whatever whatever. It's like. All right, Connor J parents from Hong Kong, but he spoke French. No one parent from husband when performing on yeah, it's like Overkill like yes, I'm multiracial and I speak another language completely unrelated to those two bam didn't love the crap out of place didn't really relate to him Ryan the roller boy from Philly. I know Ryan or skates. No, not sure the pro Surfer wanted to tie the tie corny barely. Remember him stop. It's a no for me dog biggest shocker of the night sausage party Grant without the tie, you know, that's the road travel intro. What is good? So that that really should be the controversy of the episode how sausage party dude got a rose his Pilot dude did not let him nuts crazy. I wonder if on shows like this even though Hannah gets a pick. I wonder if producers get like at least two picks in the first few weeks to keep up. They got to be in her ear. Right? I mean, I mean some no way that she's got the whole deal. He's at the end of the episode The Producers something something I think like they legally have to put out that the producers have some kind of influence over the past now. I'm sure that they do because otherwise it'd be boring show. We just mentioned Evan a few seconds someone in the chats heard that Devon is friends with Wills from last season. Interesting outfits. So I'm just curious if you'll have this. I mean that's a stretch but I wonder if he's going to be like quiet in the beginning and then come out of it come out of his shell later like his buddy who knows have ridiculous outfits. Yeah and the outfits. All right guys, we don't have time Kevin be fumbled all the footballs. Yes. Yes like that. Whatever loukas was a calming political consultant forget. These are my notes guys. You can tell he said she gives a calming presence to poke sure. Sting with the nose ring no AFR. Yes, he's a familiar face and then finally Peter that's the only other notable when I think maybe uniform gives you wings. Yes. Sorry. Do we talk about cam? Yeah, because you got the first kid, I'm sorry. Yes him cataracts. Thank you him got the first kiss. He also got the first rose on the last aftershow. I like him. No cameras have been bass. That's what we figured out. That's why I was like, what is it about him? He's literally Evan 2.0 and I Devon well, the guys were definitely threatened by him from the Jennifer said because he came in with a rose hundred percent. I was there at that man. He said I'm not here for my 15 minutes of fame. I'm here for my lifetime of love. That's something he practice in the mirror five times before getting absolutely ever spent. I think he's gonna try and be like the but I think he's God he's gonna go some places. I think he's pretty good. I think Hannah thinks she should like cam. Yeah, but he is in her friend zone and she's trying to move him out of her friend zone. Okay. We only have a couple minutes to talk about How Hannah handled the Scott of it all okay, was that his name? Yes. Clearly, you know where I still got incident? We all agreed that we don't think she really liked Scott in the first place. Correct? You have not but I thought she handled this pretty well. Yeah, I think it was even even to a little bit too much. I think she could have just been like well, okay. Bye but she was like no I want answers. I don't think she need answers at that point. I agree with you. I also didn't like the way she came right at him like, oh it's because you have a girlfriend. Girlfriend like it was just like so over the top of the wait, wait, wait bring it in really? I like that. I would have done that. I like the aggressiveness because I think it puts the guy on his back heels and then you get yeah and you really get to see it come out and he really didn't have a good offensive reaction to it. She had supper was even able to save himself and honestly on night one unless she has his sick, you know connection with the guy right off the bat. There's no point even bothering with the drama. She's right just bouncing like immediately like it was Overkill. I'm like are you at invested? I don't know that it just came on Friday. She I think if he's going to try to play her make him look a little stupid on television for sure. You gotta make good TV. You know what I mean? Yeah, and she's figuring out herself. She's learning. She's trying to figure out how much rope she has to pull on which was it's fun to see her discover this the thing I really like that she said it's not fair to me and it's especially not fair for the girlfriend. You're leading on back and your hometown. I really like that Hannah said that yeah, I was like, you know, you're out for your sisters and clearly you're someone who has a lot of empathy for girls who have gone through what you've gone through so Hannah gee I really liked hand and she and I think she's just trying to save you. Let's get a consensus here. We got two different opinions. Hope Lockwood and blue panther panther. Do we like Demi and Katie in the van? Yes or no one saying overproduced once a and they loved it. That's it fine. I mean it was over produced for sure, but I Victor I mean it has it kind of has to be it is what it is, right, but they're cute. Damn. He's the best they've got mobbed at me two tickets to paradise. Yeah, that's from the office of any guys watch that show. Okay. We literally have two minutes guys. Do I just go through our who we got through in the Rose ceremony? Yeah, Jed serenaded any other huge moments that we need to go over we've done pretty well. We got everything. Yeah. Okay. So from the rose ceremony, let me know if I missed anyone we got Mike Johnson Connor asked Matthew Connor Jay Jay. Red dust and Joey Devon Peter the pilot Dylan Mateo Jonathan Tyler C&G Darren Lucas Garrett Grant and John Paul Jones and Kevin and Kevin you're getting a lot of laughs because everybody thinks it should have been handed. She anyway, I know y'all probably that Freudian slip is people are liking the the big Shockers who went home chazen. He's got the better. So yeah, we will see him fly his plane to Paradise I think in a couple months. Yeah, Matt, Donald I was surprised. To be honest, I don't know if Jason will end up in Paradise. I think it's possible but I think when Joe was sent home, I thought we weren't comparing him to Joe know we are comparing chasing a joke. No, that's my jota Joan. Right right confusingly enough we liked but I don't think he's going to cause as much of an uproar like Joe I remember in that moment being the top four top three with Jason were like, yeah, of course, he's gonna get a rose tonight. But no one's like was he going to win? I just think it was well, actually I thought I think they were setting us up to have a pilot versus pilot something like it's almost too much of a coincidence is my specific a career for them to not have like you said Jeff a two-on-one date or something like that. But did you think him as a per on his own would you've seen him? Yes, because I wrote down front runner when he came out and that was before the second pilot came out. So yeah, I thought he was a thin material got ya. I thought he was okay and that's her. All right everyone has Has 10 seconds to react to the ending promo, okay. Nine because I know I'm excited. I'm looking forward to that conversation about sex mainly to be honest with you because someone is clearly shaming her for her past and I'm like, who is it? Hmm. Nice. I'm ready to see Luke Hulk out on the hotel room wherever they're at. Just like bus through doors and stuff. Yes. We saw a little tiff between Cam and Tyler see so I want to see what pops off with that because cam looks like he's a good boy, but I think he's gonna just rare get the Beast come out of him. Yeah, I am excited. I saw a lot of Jed Hannah chemistry. So I'll be excited to see where Jack goes and your boy my Johnson. He looks like he makes it to Europe and Beyond looking that's right. Mike check mike J. That was our predictions guys because we do unfortunately have to get out of here. This show goes so fast, but you have tuned into the premier coverage and season 15 of The Bachelorette. 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Join us to watch The Bachelorette Season 15 premiere! with Christine Alexis, Jeff Graham, Michael Thieling, and Renee Ariel! The Bachelorette After Show: Which of the men will get the final rose? On THE BACHELORETTE AFTER SHOW we’ll fill you in on everything that happens on and off camera on the hit ABC series. Plus be bringing your favorite cast members our panel. Tune in for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes’ group dates, one on one dates, the squabbles and fights AND bonus off-season content like news updates happening in Bachelor nation. ABOUT THE BACHELORETTE: Becca Kufrin believed she had found love with Arie Luyendyk Jr. on "The Bachelor," but when the race car driver changed his mind and broke her heart so he could reunite with runner-up Lauren Burnham, the humble girl next door from Minnesota resolved not to let the heart-wrenching breakup hold her back. When the 27-year-old publicist isn't making a splash at the boutique public relations agency where she works or planning her next overseas trip, she can be found at home hosting dinner parties for her friends. She hopes to find a man who shares her firm set of Midwest values and who is actually ready to commit to her on her terms. 