So you've taken someone else's Nostalgia Don't Panic we can help white men in masks are heroes. But black men in masks are scary. Thank God times have changed. Yeah. Thank God. It is extremely difficult to be a white man in America right now. So some are going to just try to be a blue one. We are talking HBO's Watchman season 1 episode 7 and almost religious. Ah, the AfterBuzz after show starts right now. Let's make sure I brought a hammer here as opposed for the 70, but they weren't kidding on this week. So. They were not they were not messing around whatsoever. This show continuously surprises me. I would love to say our predictions are right, but they are not we are tip of the iceberg predictors at this point and by we I mean me and by me, I mean us three. We are the panel of HBO's Watchman. We are talking season 1 episode 7 and almost religious. Ah, and I personally am almost religiously in awe of this show. Can I have to say that I was gonna set it. Better take her on this show is absolutely amazing. Yes, it's not just my opinion. Mmm. We will get to that later in this week's episode as we after show it all the way now, if you don't know who I am. I am Toronto. I'm joined by an illustrious panel. I'm a DC Watcher, but I'm not the only one all the way to my left left. Nate is in the building to the left to the left. Yeah to the left to the left to the window to the wall. That is Nate. Nate is historically accurate standing ovation. Burner that is exactly who you are. I'll take that that is a thing that is a real thing. It is DC called me and was like who ring ring? Why was the Nate? They said Nate? Wow. Yes. That is the thing. That's actually actually makes a lot of sense. I don't know if we know the comics or Washington DC. I'm not sure but I know someone someone from very high I think DC they said DC direct current. I'm not sure but to my left but Nate's right Nate's right is our cultural attache in the middle. Ryan Nelson is in the building. So happy to be here y'all I too am in religious all this episode and I'm in a little bit of an all because we don't have drew today, but it is Miller time and we're with the one and only tear on this episode was absolutely amazing. One of the best twists. Yes. We might have predicted something like this, but we didn't know who was aware of you that count as with dr. Manhattan, please stop speaking. I did I say did but we didn't It was aware. So it's just massive twist. Sometimes I had I didn't have predicted it to this show is great and not in the chat y'all it's on it's it's there. I am in the chat y'all please comment away your thoughts on this episode. Let's do this. We're gonna get into overall thoughts on this week's episode and we're going to get into this debate on who predicted at first. However, we will be breaking this down as thus. Dr. Manhattan's Montage Angela and Vietnam Grandma June. We got that tidbit on Nostalgia beyond. That was a very good twist. Did you predict that too? Nate Mueller. No, you did not exactly had boots. I hate New Millennium clock agent Blake 7th Cavalry plant Adrian's trials that subplot is developing and going further and more confusing than ever the big reveal of course, which we've revealed since the beginning of this after-show Calvin is dr. Manhattan our special segment buyer cell where we buy and sell something from the show the Most favorite part and the least favorite part even though our least favorite part tends to still be an extremely favorite part and news and gossip. We have some great news and gossip you're going to stay tuned this concept of how Watchman came to be what it is today predictions and so much more overall thoughts. I need to know what your overall thoughts on this week's HBO's Watchman season 1 episode 7 and almost religious. Awe Nate Mueller. This is my favorite show on TV right now except I sewed was incredible best one. They have had so far. You've said that every single week, it's Dave. It's somehow has gotten better and better and they have done an incredible job at setting up these Mysteries that have payoffs while still having mystery and like we've learned so much about what's going on and we still have no idea. What's really going on. We know nothing. Yeah, and that's just it's really difficult to do that and execute that very well and I want to give them props because they've done an incredible job. I still like like we said like, you know you predicted something. Some things they are a lot of Clues to but still how those things are going to apply to the general story. I have no idea and yeah, I just I love it. The performances are great the use of color to show like the old memories versus the new memories and like just the overall cinematography and the score this shows just like the whole package. So yeah, and she's coming - every week to be very fair because Nate needs this Nate has predicted several things that seemed unpredictable at the tide. I'm not I'm not trying to claim credit for these addictive we get it man action you predicted know I you can get in creditor. If you don't not try to claim credit Nate predicted in this show starts off and it's like I called it. I said it just okay Nate we get it. He we hear you thought coming. I feel like the rest of us. I felt were shocked right? I'm amongst the shot overall thoughts. I think Cal a bar went to medical school in Manhattan and he is dr. Manhattan. I am I was blown away by this episode. Okay this Was amazing writing great twists on twists. You just cannot see it coming. I love this show so much. It is the best show on TV constantly. Just keeping you on your toes. This this it's quite incredible. I absolutely love it. Every character is so developed and it's a huge cast when you're when you think about it, there's just so many people in this Ensemble and just the amount of payoffs of little tiny details that been in the corner and how just no matter what if you're a big fan if you've seen seen if you've read the graphic novel seen the movie or just coming in fresh. There's always something there for you and you can view this show and so many different ways. It's been written in such a special way that any viewer can get something unique out of it. I am absolutely in love with Watchman my biggest critique of this show. Yeah is that it is not the comic book. It is an extension. It is an addition and it is the best of both. It makes me question my own personal intelligence because I watch the show and think to myself. This is so brilliant. Where did they even begin to create this storyline? It is the most intriguing compelling television. I say this every week and I stand by it every single week on television itself. It raises the bar so high that every other Comic book TV show especially DC shows which are usually some of the best it raises the bar so high that all of them fail in Compares, that's High Praise You know, I'm a producer here Taryn does more superhero TV after shows than any host here. So the fact that you're saying that that is the highest price is right here that is huge an avid watcher of all these shows avid watcher and Purveyor of both DC and Marvel. Yeah, I've praised DC television shows while condemning the movies. I did love Watchman the movie even though a lot of people who were Avid fans did not like it because of the interpretation but I understood and was happy that the movie got made because it could have easily been overlooked right Watchman for many Ratings wise was a form of Guardians of the Galaxy in the DC world. It was something that for sure looked over by the masses and consumed by the few and understood by even less. So watching Watchman now on television and watching it as we watch it as a group watching get individually and watching it where you literally have to digest this show. Hmm and the more you digest it the more You realize how great it was? Yeah, the tidbits the callbacks to understanding. I have not waited for a single plot line to unfold on the show. Nate pointed it out earlier we get so much information and yet literally still know nothing like a day passes still we the more information. We know the less we actually know right and that in itself but not in a confusing way. Not in a we don't understand what's happening way. We want to know more. Yeah, I think it's just a master class on how to do a sequel because no no no no, no. A sequel is actually is disrespectful to watch the show is I continue out of shape. I understand I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think well, you know, I think was Fast and Furious 9 is a sequel. Yeah, but I didn't but I it is a continuous. My argument would be that the all of those fashion movies should not be considered sequels. They could just Chase they should be considered franchises and that's why I mean a true definition of what a sequel is. They really demonstrate that they understand the source material. At its core and once they're able to do that. They can take these already exhausted care Curry 2 is a sequel this this is something else. My friend is something else. I agree with you. I mean, I see something else. I agree. It's something else. This is not this is not a sequel. This is not even continuation. This is a universe that's been created and I'll explain let's look at it on the cinematography level that you were quack. Let me just give me one I say all this. Choose whatever word you want. I say all this to say just like you said it's like a new experience because they've taken the thing that made Watchman the comic books. So powerful. Was it deconstructing these tropes that already existed within the comic book Universe, right? And they have been able to not only keep those same things about conflict stuff. But also other things about television they've been able to apply most times when you have complications that are either TV or movies you lose something because they're certain storytelling tricks and complex that it's very difficult to to pull off for example something I noticed we're watching the episode today. They just do a great job of these things where they they do the roloffs narration where the voiceover starts in the other scene, but it's not just to help ease the transition our speed at edit along it's because that important line of dialogue it's relates thematically to the next scene just like in the book with the nine panels. So we're in agreeance except for the word sequel if you want to call my mother a whore that's fine, but do not call watch out fine. I won't the HBO show Asik. On a Mac you understand. Do you understand? Yes mate. I feel like I can man is on trial right now. This is this is a thing. Hold on guilty. Let me prepare my hang up a pig old fart. Don't fart. That was that was actually seen where I felt that that was not unnecessary and when it comes down to it that will be the scene that I sell but we'll get to that of course. Okay, I however we're going to have to start with that. Dr. Manhattan Montage. Yeah, because I know that both Ryan and Nate have a lot to discuss regarding that beginning true. Hope coming from the dr. Manhattan, which we've seen this before actually we've seen something similar to this in the end the museum. So here's the dr. Manhattan Trope. What were your thoughts? You don't need the Montage in Vietnam in the beginning in the beginning where the the the statuesque was explaining The dr. Manhattan's? Oh got it. Got it. Yeah, I mean what's so great. I was kind of alluding to this earlier is you know, there's so many viewers who haven't read the graphic novel. They haven't seen the movie and they're coming into this and there. There's a great idea about this that the original graphic novel. They're catching the reader up on what's happened with the Minutemen in the past. So if you're viewing the show, you're being caught up on what happened in that graphic novel. So what's so great about that that opening montage is your learning about the origin of dr. Manhattan and you've seen it if you've read it, but now you're getting it again firsthand you're being a visual to speed of the visualization. So I thought that was really interesting while also connecting it to alright, this is what He did in the past and now we're going to Vietnam this being this episode. We're having some flashbacks. And what is dr. Manhattan? All Bali? What is HE capable of what happened to him? And I think that's a really fascinating when you think about it. So it means origin obviously he went back to get his watch and he was locked into this container with this experience was going on. He was obliterated and then he brought himself back together and he's now basically a God right? I really fascinating. It was extremely fascinating and I liked how easily they did it without for. Nate Mueller, if you want to call my grandmother a prostitute, that's fine. If you call this a c-spine, we're going to fight. Okay, what were your thigh already agreed not to just so just for the records making sure which okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It was it's just a great storytelling tool to be able to have it be in Universe like this documentary asks way and just like, you know, I just want to Echo what he said like it was a it's difficult for me being a longtime fan of Watchmen took a kind of like see how someone who's not familiar. With the movie or the book would you know anticipate a character like that in my head, dr. Manhattan without having the backstory. So I think this was a great way of establishing that also it's just really cool that they are really weighing in on like the real world implications of these type of events and like what it would be like if your country was, you know, if we did win the Vietnam War because we had what is essentially a God just walk over and just blow it to Pieces until they surrendered and and that you know that that whole story of like what is essentially It seems like almost like a propaganda historical film right leading into her back story and seeing the festival and you know the bombing obviously in the people how the people reacting. It was really powerful like it's something that hasn't even happened but it's still I can it's it's not that far away outside of the whole superhuman God thing like the colonization of people like that's a very real thing that we are still dealing with the ramifications of and Vietnam becoming the 51st state as watching that Montage was the Montage accurate being Someone who is a true student of the comic which is interesting because you know, we get we've had a little glimpses of other things on TV about other characters like oh my God, I'm forgetting the Noose. What's the the hood to Justice, you know, and they got that so wrong because we see the actual origin of foot adjust asst from last week's episode. So it's interesting that the you know, they have won that one perfectly and then others not so not so much. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's If it's perfect, but I think in terms of like it I didn't notice any big inaccuracies if there was some they went they went by me. One thing I did think was really cool is what they showed the intrinsic field generator and then later in the courtroom. The judges like desk thing is the intrinsic field render just turn on its side. So it was cool to see it in the like visual flashback in the beginning to have confirmation on like that's what it was totally and that is actually very cool. I liked how seamless it. Was it is a great tool because the concept is I'm the viewer may not be so familiar. But now I'm getting caught up and and you the student are extremely familiar and are still on on board and on the same page. It's great to see that happen. And if you want to call my aunt a stripper Nate, please feel free to do so, but if you say the word sequel I will have to fight you. I'm just letting you know got it when it comes to fighting. We also saw the fighting in Vietnam. And of course America wins thanks to the one and only dr. Manhattan. That's the tidbit of how Angela is in Vietnam father is in the services mother is there Vietnam is the 51st state. We understand that there are extreme opportunities and new States and it goes from there. What were your thoughts on that storyline regarding? Her parents and of course the movie Sister night. It was a really I mean, there's so many Easter eggs in that scene with like the different titles on the movies in there and stuff. But seeing this, you know this mystery of how she became sister night has been an ongoing thing. So to now see where she got the name derived from and see her relationship with her parents and we I believe we had already known that she was orphaned we did. Yeah. So she did not have that would work has sure of how we didn't of not only just the orphanage however the concept of the grandmother and all the interesting tidbits that we got in this particular story line in a flashback of a memory. Yeah. I was going to say I mean shout out to Faith Herman first off. That's the actress who played young Angela a bar. We've actually had her in studio. She is a delight. I was so excited to see her on-screen. She's very another DC property Shazam this year. So she's just killing it on all levels. Eels. I really love seeing this origin play out on screen and you know with all this backstory on Angela's family just going back to you know, there's this whole lineage of being a police officer and a lot of police officers, you know, they don't have many ties to family and that that it plays into the reasoning behind their their move into justice. So it was interesting that she wanted to be a police officer before her parents perished and then after that definitely played into her origin also being Sister night with that with that cow and everything being Bye-bye a movie. It's so cool. Because the movie look like her something that was also a nod towards representation. We see constant social commentary being brought up and we also see that the character by the way, can we all agree that the grandmother young and old seems like the same person? Oh, yeah Stephen. Yeah didn't aged a day. No. She ain't but it looked like the same exact person. Like we were I honestly have to look it up to make sure that they are who they were. Not the same actor all they were they were not I'll tell you make it a joke or my mind blown. That's the that's surprised. That is a separate actor so Valerie Ross, please the grandmother June and that's why it was very to me. It was very interesting that casting it. And so Danielle dead Wyler plays the June we've seen and then grandmother June is played by Valerie Ross and that energy hmm. And at characteristic was so comparable that I also thought they were the same and I had to look it up loud break after we got some awesome Charlie wait till we have like almost a hundred people in the chat right now. So thank you so much. This is thank you so much for not enough. Make sure to share subscribe like spread the word. Tell your friend hit the like button we had someone just asking do you think dr. Manhattan killed the grandmother that's from Westworld. I mean, it's so fascinating because this is all happening in Vietnam at the time and she did just kind of fall over and but we there's Many interesting tip about the heart attack. So I thought that that was a continuation of she had heart attack, but she's fine and now and the student Angela's about to be saved in some way pulled out and pulled out all of a sudden something all trash Kappa tragic happened importantly. She can get the gist tosa. Yeah exactly the Tulsa World War this because we here well, we should go back to Tulsa there in New York. We should go to Tulsa and now we see where in Vietnam. I mean, let's go to Tulsa. Now, we know why yeah, she gets just inherit a hint of little bit of her family, which she really doesn't know anything about because her dad never, you know, included his dad or his mom either he cut them both out. And so she wasn't connected that side of her family at all that also storyline of masks are scary bad people wear masks and it's because we saw the origin story last week where we'll where William Reeves is hooded Justice and son is made afraid of him. Yeah smart. Wow, I All these things they always do callbacks and that appeals to me and of course writing and comedy so much. They always play the part the bomb goes off killing your parents. Yeah, I will was really fascinating about that as well is you know, this this shows had a ton of social commentary across the board and you're thinking all right Vietnam is now a state obviously you're going to have some some people who weren't some resistance and resistance and the fact that That you also got an early sighting of all right, Angela even as a kid is so aware of her surroundings sheet. Saw that coming. She's just so young and didn't really know what to do with the time but mean she had the instincts to recognize what was going on and then that awful explosion happens, which is why she you know that she later becomes a hero. Yeah. It's really interesting and that she points out the person later and the and that's her first time. We bring someone to justice. So again, it just plays in her origin of this is Happened her parents. It's very similar to Batman in that regard and bringing them to justice to the police. But she had this sense of justice within her and we see this before losing her parents. She wanted to do something in that Motif tells the grandmother. I'm going to be a police officer wants to hear The Gunshot to the accuser right? She wants to be president for us. He wants to be president. She wants to hear she even says can not here. Can I listen? They're like nah, and then they let her daughter and almost police form vigilante justice. I don't believe there was a judge jury and I just executioner. Yeah Angela's origin stories lead us to know who she is as an adult. We see the word sister night. We understand all these things. So Grandma June comes back in her life. Where your grandma June thoughts. Tool for a day nice to see where you've been and I mean it was nice to get an update and because we you know, we've been getting pieces of this story and we obviously know where Angela ends up but we don't know the middle parts. So it's nice to kind of get the connection of what's going on. But she doesn't she strategically or noticeably doesn't mention Will Will Reeves doesn't mention anything like that specifically specific. She changes the subject. What movie is this? I love that one. This is my favorite movie baby messed with her but that's what that motherfucker. So, let's get outta here. Yeah, the cars to a kid. She so clearly right you can read into that. There's some type of falling out that happen there. Will there's something that's going on with over you but we know the fire weird, we already saw that hassle. It happened but there's no it's reconciliation is not I mean, she said to the Reich she basically says like you don't exist to me anymore. Or and certainly we're not to be very fair. The amount of women that have told me I don't exist to them anymore. But it never they never reconciled which is like, okay, that's that's pretty it's a little tragic and the fact that you know, this little girl just lost our parents and she's not even going to mention. Hey, I'm this you don't have another family member out there. That's really interesting. So I mean, yeah that that's really all we kind of learn from that and that she was also familiar with sister night. But yeah, she just dies drops dead of a heart attack find a cock dead in the car and no But at least we get a lot of memory from Nostalgia and we learn a little bit about how Nostalgia works and how Angeles cure is working. We get an elephant the elephant in the room literally talk about it. I felt so stupid after I saw the elephant and then they showed the true logo again. I was like, duh. It's a fucking elephant. I've the whole time. I thought it was like a rip on like Tesla but it's an elephant trunks like some people making great great comments in the chat there saying elephants are known for having amazing. Amazing gamer he's saying so obviously, you know winking you're up to that. That's really just great writing. Once again, I'm still like it was still kind of Muddy. I'm wondering if she just put Wills memories in the elephant because elephants have great memory so they can they're just like big memory hard drives so that will could go do whatever he's doing and they can still do the process. Yeah. Also, by the way, I called it. It's just a theory II saw the connection between the elephant and having great memories, but we also learn about of course Nimmo dialysis. The elephant on the room thing is like is it goes there's many levels to there's going to be a lot of levels especially since it is specifically the logo there has to be something specifically intrinsic regarding elephants will even just in this episode like knowing that we I mean, I'm assuming true she We are assuming she insinuates. She insinuates that she knows who dr. Manhattan is and we know who it is. We know Angela knows who we know now. Don't say it. She doesn't say it the day that she says it makes her she specifically says you didn't ask. She says that man has been human and then you told you that you're not me and she also says earlier like are we just going to be honest with each other? And so to me the elephant in the room is also this like the whole time that they've been around like true. You knows everything. Yeah, but she's a genius us and we'll get to that definitely but talking about the Nimmo dialysis. Those memories have embedded themselves. Basically Nostalgia has as a memory as embedded self and to the neuro networks clogging existing Pathways and threatening higher cognitive function, which is why it's so dangerous. So it's called re Collective infestation only remedy for infestation is to call an exterminator. Name-O dialysis basically saturates the brain with cerebral spinal fluid provided by a natural host and literally Russia's Nostalgia from the cortex Wow, sure. So now we see what Angela has hooked up to the IV system that she has going on the injection which explains it to her true that counteraction and we get Beyond and a prediction that Nate and I made regarding Beyond actually being the mother the mother. Yeah, that was a major surprise to me because whose memories are you feeding her? Right? Angela thinks she has a one up on lady true and Lady true. Very plainly says her own, right? Yeah, so interesting the possibilities with just that concept you could do so many different storylines with that just putting another person's memories. It's really it's kind of remarkable, but the fact and then it's a reason behind why they kind of outlawed it and yeah, I'm really fascinated to see if they kind of go further into that. I mean we still don't really know the full significance behind that other than maybe that's a little a bit of humanity in Milady true in a weird odd way and that she's trying to keep her mother around and with those memories may do we have any predictions regarding this? I think that there's going to be more to it than just like the reveal that she's the grandma. Yes. We do things going to be involved in some way in like what's going on with our plan because I think the timing is interesting if she's a clone like the Clones at Vie as then why isn't she just why Wow? To make our maker Grandma age like or at least like adult age like so if if she's just growing naturally then that makes me think maybe she's different or maybe the timeline is specific like when she started this there's just something more into it. But yeah, but do you think being knows that she is a clone? I don't think she does. I think that's why she says that she when we first see her and she talks about having nightmares about the Vietnam stuff. Like she doesn't even realize that they're memories. She just thinks she's having like Night Ranger. Yeah dream fairy. Vivid dreams of Vietnam. Wow. It makes you think a lot about the similarities between her and Adrian veidt in that, you know, if Adrian veidt would he do something similar to this? This is I think the one aspect of her a lot more than I saw something really cool and Reddit today, which why I didn't discover this someone else did if you take so if you take veidt right and you like mirror it now you turn the D2 an r and the v2u it says true. Because we do know something about Adrian veidt had surgery or something to look different. He said that there was a whole thing about that. There was there was a thing about that now, I'm not saying it's lady true. But that's how the concept of our assumption was. That's why he looks the way he looks which is different from the Adrian veidt that we thought etc. Etc. Alright rubbery. However, that is something where I was like, what if well that's that's a something that's right. That's the one of something what if something we got a lot of things and she also mentions her dad lady true. We don't know exactly and he says she says that he's going to be there. It could be vital could be by seems like all the signs are pointing towards that's what I would think as well. But when it comes to things about lady true that we're wondering Millennium clock. What is this? I got no idea, but it could theorize all day, but she's not giving any clues. She's just like it tells time I plan to say If Humanity it's going to go off. We know it's going to go off when it goes off. I think the Backstreet Boys are going to come out. Yeah, I that's the one thing. It's like the a city streets back all Riley D. True. Okay. I don't know what's going to happen by things can have something to do with dr. Manhattan. Big Time, thank you for that vague predictions. Thank you for that very big prediction because we learned a lot of things have to do with dr. Mann except for the Manhattan boots that we've been getting these phone calls on and they seemed to be going nowhere Manhattan is no longer on Mars. We know this lady true knows this. We also know that he does not listen to the calls, right? And we also know specifically the Manhattan booths basically go know where they go into what I could only assume is a type of development where she's getting these profiles on people just based on what they're calling and praying about dr. Manhattan, which I think I mean that's the thing is now knowing that she like earlier. We theorize that maybe she does have some Connection in Manhattan and that's why she's operating these booths, but obviously she's just operating the Boost because it's a smart business. Decision, I guess Mark Zuckerberg is so jealous right now. I mean talk about Gathering data. We don't really know what it's for, but I do think it's going to factor into whatever her Millennium Clan is yeah and answers why save Humanity save Humanity answers why that car dropped when a lorry Blake left a message at the end of the episode mean that we know she has those helicopters and everything so clearly she heard that and played into that Joe. I don't know if it's clearly it's definitely wasn't Manhattan. Well, I actually don't really got the Manhattan. It wasn't Manhattan. It wasn't for him. But I don't know about clearly simply because the car was dropped for Angela Angela was there as well? Okay, so just because they were different parts of the same location and think she was a huge drop on that phone call timing was great. But Angela that was Angela's car. It wasn't a brick but also played for Lori's joke. It did coincidence timing that I don't think that is Destiny, but I will say something about Lori Blake agent Blake like lady true who was very aware of many things agent Blake went in to meet. With Jude and new a lot of details. Oh, yeah. Yes too many details. Actually. She knew way too many details as she went in to talk to Jane Crawford and she woke up and Jan Crawford came off. Really I don't is that supposed to mean something and then went straight to push in the button? Yeah, but in that tree amazing bed and I love how they did they did. Just like kind of move on from that and they go back to who has a trapdoor in their living room. So awesome. Yeah, it played into a Trope. We see in like James Bond movies where the villain kind of just reveals everything but immediately presses like some button. I really loved that old. But this time the villain didn't agent Blake revealed everything and Jane transfer not for literally once twice by the third time. She's like, yeah, the king does he basically being design team does Try to lay out the plan like you just like you said like it references the comic book itself because in the end I was he says like I'm not going to sit here and explain to you. Like you think I would tell you about a bond villain. Yeah, he says like I'm not you know, so now seeing this juxtaposed with the trapdoor Keen explaining the plan and also her specifically saying that who has a trapdoor to me this screams 7th Cavalry are that Bond villain which means their plans going to fail. I think something's still gonna In front of it, but I think their plans going to fail which makes me think the real bad guy has to be lady true and Reeves. And so whatever they're up to this whole saving Humanity thing now, I'm like everyone who tries to save Humanity condemns him Humanity the path to hell is paved with good intentions when it comes to agent Blake. Were you surprised that agent Blake was able to make so many connections with so few Clues? No few. I think she had quite a bit of Clues especially just she's putting it all together. Her with she's listening to every phone call all these conversations. She became aware of Cyclops after talking with Angela and hearing her talk in your sleep. And I think yeah just to learning about the the white robe and Don Johnson's closet or Joan Crawford's closet. I think that that makes a lot of sense. So I really it just shows how great of detective she is. I didn't think any of it was too far-fetched. I think she had just the right amount of Clues and putting it all together there with Keen. I thought the Telling lion was him saying like we're not white supremacist. We just want to restore things back to the way they were it's too hard to be a white man in America. It was just so oh my gosh, you can show you could feel and sympathize with that Rhino. My question for you is yeah boy. My question for you is okay is the 7th Cavalry plan. What is their overall plan? I think it's to convert as many people as possible. Just like they did with Looking Glass. He says he says the plan the plan is to turn them into dr. Manhattan. So Italy thur Jeske are as many as I can. So I'm guessing the plan is to use those type of portal things to try and capture. Dr. Manhattan. It was a big lion turned him into I just don't buy that they're on the same side, you know think that leads through might be using them. To make them think we're gonna get diamonds power and but she has another agenda. I definitely know I mean everything's possible until I until we know for sure that it's not it's that I mean, it's definitely possible. She they do have the tech but I think that the octopus is really running everything this year. But this whole time octopus has been in the ocean. I mean the octopus is psychic could join people's mind so we are not sure what the 7th Calvary plan is. But we're assuming it's to convert people into dr. Manhattan. Yeah. Well, he says that's the plan B blue. That's what they want to do. Yeah, but we don't know exactly the extent and what they're going to do with it. Once it happens. They want to restore this balance to White America make America great again, that's why you yeah my thing. That's what his goal is making white America great again great again. So we get that and we get the 7th Cavalry. Or at least what we think is their plan, right? We get lady true and what we don't know is her plan or why they all tie in together. How does Adrian's trial tie in to any of this? This was the most it's funny we get these little excerpts every episode and this was the weirdest want it just didn't really it was one scene and it was the trial and I thought it was funny the fart. Like, how does he play? I think what was interesting this time around was there wasn't really a major passage of time. So it they say that this is the 360 fifth day of the trial. Yeah. We're in the past. We have theorized that you know, it was just like a few years behind and now it's like I think we're really not even on the same. Oh, yeah, they're on we have no idea when this is taking place. Yeah, like this could have been a decade ago. Like we really don't know how long ago this is in relation to Tulsa so that's what was kind of running through my mind. I thought we were really entering like a meet-up point and I am now convinced that that's not the case. I don't think that they're going to intersect. Yep. That's what I thought as soon as we saw the second cake. I had a feeling that we're seeing him on a separate timeline and then at some point he's going to just be in the rest of the story and it'll be like, oh cool. Now we know how you got here. The thing about the cake is like they've said lines like he went missing what I think was three or four years ago, and now we past that many years. So I just don't think I'm not even convinced. I was convinced with the case that they were going to intersect. I'm just not now. Because so much time has passed and I it looks like he's sentenced. He's sendin see I'm not going to do this. You have to remember he has a lot of time there's a lot of time for him to if there's a ton of time within so even though like he the newspaper clipping says he went missing in 2012. Right? Right. So if each episode has been a year that's seven years. So if he clinical intersect, I still think I think this is the last year the way the way this scene to me is in Incredibly interesting because there's a lot of deep metaphors and analogies that are going on. But overall in its hole is just kind of silly and seems nonsensical. So if you're not looking really deep at it like the pigs which are like a utilitarian metaphor and like there's a lot of things just like the 365 dialogue thing like yeah. Yeah, of course, he stands up and farts because he's been on trial for three he's been on trial for a year. So to me, I read that scene as he's waiting for whoever got his message from the satellite it takes however long it takes to get to Europa. He's just in during this trial because that's just what it is. He doesn't have a choice a ton of people in the chatter theorizing that that statue and Lady Drew's property is him. They've cut two times two times. I have cut literally straight to it from him and he's currently wearing that outfit and he looks just like that. It's completely I get to the point where it seemed and always like he was Pro side exactly. Yeah, but I dont think hes inside right now not to say that when he gets saved and crash-landed that maybe he got stuck in that on the way or something or I don't know. I don't know but he might be in there. He could be that statue. Well one thing we do know. Is that cow is dr. Manhattan Cal is dr. Manhattan huge reveal huge plot twist great to see happen. If you shake your head like that. Again Nate we're gonna have to fight. I was just saying, dr. And dr. Manhattan is cow just because we predicted it doesn't mean but also Cal is dr. Manhattan. Yes, the cows not really anything cow is a shell cow is an amazing husband an amazing father. He's too perfect. He was always he was To perfect it was too good. I really this that he had to have some kind of flaw. The car crash was not real. He does not have complete Amnesia very rare, by the way, except in soap operas. I love that. They threw that in there. It was great. But yeah, let's unpack that a little bit. So it sounded like he so he had Amnesia. He wasn't fully aware when Angeles taking the hammer to his head. She is trying to convince. What we think is Cal she breaks something out of cow. She breaks out this ring. The it's very similar to the the atom represented. It looks like his logo. Dr. Manhattan's forehead. What is that ring Tulsa 7 and inhibitor, I guess maybe made us tachyons to to kind of keep him from being himself so he can pretend to be a cow. That's what I would guess. It seems like we're going to get some type of thing next week where he talked to Manhattan likes girls. We know that I mean, he's always like girls he does. He does a human thing about him. In a way. Yeah, no really is. Yeah. I'm really curious to see what Damon has come up with as to the reason why it's played out this way. I actually think it's because being human is the most unique experience in the cosmos it I think also generally just like he's really fucking sad in the books like the all this knowledge of flat time and like the way things are and the way things are made and like yes, it doesn't make him happy. But it several times the relationships that they keep them human. My big thing is this like I know we were joking about these predictions and I did we call it or not. I think this is one of the biggest twists in TV of this decade like the amount of people that did not see this coming social media was all over this people were always in the songs Nate and I everyone else was very shocked because a lot of twists. Okay. There was a lot of Clues a lot. There were a lot of Clues I don't you He's got a dildo is called Excalibur expects employee table a bar. Let's let's also not forget how Lori it was right there saying your husband so hot and that's that's uh comparison to talk correct in the car. Yeah. It's really great and they're all they're all they're all closed. That's how we predicted it to begin with. Let's get our special segment buy or sell this is the segment where there's an aspect of show that Either buying wow, that was so awesome or selling man. I think that could have been better. I'll go first. I am selling that heart attack man. What a convenient heart attack where hey, I'm your grandchildren. Nothing convenient for Grandma. June is not Camille SLI. I just fasten your seatbelt. Honey goes around the car and we just see her drop like a fly in the rearview mirror. What are you buying I am but I'm buying this ultimate twist. I think this is the biggest twist and TV of the decade. This was huge Nate Mueller. I'm not buying that Keen just gives his whole plan up and like a super villain and uses trapdoors. I am selling two things. I'm selling the tutorial injection from the memory place. That was some bullshit if they're if you could just introduce people out of Consciousness and bike project images into their brain and then wake them at like that would be that would be the show would be about because that's really that's really strong, too. I don't even remember but Over now. Okay. Well, I'm buying the elephant nice. I thought that was great. That was really smart the trunk. I am and I'm selling I'm selling Angela not being affected by this orphanage where she was just calm. I think she should have been way more excited. The grandma was here to take her home like she should have been like Grandma. They got me cleaning the floor, please. Thank me. I'm selling also our Graham oddly calm when she passed when she died just like I could see her being calm at this point. She's seen her parents get blown up amongst the group of people. So I understand that sentiment. However, I just feel like she should have been a little more excited. I remembered I'm selling the Manhattan Globe. It just it just happens to play conveniently the clip at the right time like there's how do you interface with this thing? How many memories is it saved? You just press Tulsa and then like and it just starts playing. Gossip, shall we AfterBuzz TV news? So we have a couple pieces isn't gossip. The first one is actually one of my favorite is which we realize that Watchman is a TV ratings hit because of word-of-mouth variety actually reports on this explaining the situation where people are going out of their way to give Watchman low ratings. Mmm on Rotten Tomatoes sites and critics sites and yet it's still a huge hit because of course People have been talking. Yes, the streets are talking and making it extremely popular. And that is one of the huge reasons why 1.2 million viewers tuned in as it was played live. Let alone at streaming numbers. We did it y'all live plus same day ratings are and the top premieres of HBO. We that's always great and other news CBR.com are good friends there did an entire article where Watchman reveals the secret link between Batman and sister night. You're going to want to watch this has a you're going to want to read this as a lot of good spoilers. But if you've been watching a show you're up to date and it explains how Batman and sister night are actually connected and that is a great read especially after this week's episode. So make sure to check that out. Let's get into some predictions. Shall we? Yes as your AfterBuzz TV prediction Nate Mueller and I have a couple predictions Nate. Would you like to let them know how all right? Here we go. It's pink lady true bought everyone in the town TVs and the Millennium clock is going to do something with the Mind Control technology that will had via the TVs that are now in the whole town to do something to the people. I don't know I'm safe Humane something with trauma and memories maybe the wishes to dr. Manhattan come into play. I'm not sure how that would happen. But yeah, she's up to something bad and it's going to be through that it probably I'm guessing it's going to be part of the American hero story thing like when the finale airs because it's been like in show. It's a big hit people like it. So I think something to do that nice. That's what we think Ryan. What do you think I predict the clock is going to go off and it is going to turn everyone blue blue died. I've seen I moved out. Hey, that's all we have for our show this week. However, we have much more where can people find you if you want to be found Nate Mueller, you can find me and all the right predictions that dog like Nate and Ryan. Elsa and you can find me a try Nelson and IL SE n and at Ryan Nelson underscore on Instagram. Thank you so much for everyone in the chat hundred fifty people in the chat. Please hit that like button will get 25 likes. There's a hundred fifty people in the chat hit that like button go on iTunes. Give us a review. I read your review on their next week. 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Join Ryan Nilsen, Tehran Von Ghasri, and Nate Miller break down episode 7 where: Lady Trieu continues to treat Angela for removing the Nostalgia from her body. Angela starts experiencing her own childhood memories in Vietnam atop Will's. When awake, Angela finds herself connected to a long tube that enters a locked room that she believes Will is in. After Bian gives a strange psychological test to Angela, Trieu explains Bian is a clone of her mother, and she has been providing memories to her. With Trieu preparing to activate the Millennium Clock within hours, Angela breaks into the locked room, only to find her tube connect to an unconscious elephant. She rips out her tube and takes an elevator to a higher floor to find a globe device that plays back the messages that people had left at the Manhattan booths. Trieu enters, explaining that she has heard these, and confirms Doctor Manhattan is not on Mars, but actually in Tulsa disguised as a human. Trieu is aware of a Kavalry plot to capture and destroy Manhattan so that they can become like him, and her activation of the Clock within the hour will save humanity. Angela storms out and escapes the facility. Cal finds her at home rummaging for a hammer. Angela tells him that she has always loved him as a husband, but now, calling him "Jon", that they are in trouble, and proceeds to bash his head in. She extracts a small disk from his head, and watches as a blue glow comes from Cal's body. Petey reports to Laurie that he cannot find Wade, but discovered several Kavalry bodies in his shelter. Laurie learns from Angela's ramblings while on Nostalgia about Judd's connection to the Kavalry and goes to visit Jane. Too late Laurie realizes Jane is working with the Kavalry, and becomes trapped. Laurie is taken to the Kavalry headquarters, where Joe shows her a cage-like device as part of their plan to bring Manhattan to them as a means to become godlike themselves. In the manor, Veidt has been on trial for 365 days by the Game Warden for his crimes, not only due to the squid attack but for killing numerous Phillips and Crookshanks. Veidt is given a chance to present his case, but he simply passes flatus in response. The Game Warden determines Veidt's verdict is to be judged by a pack of feral pigs, his "peers", who declare him guilty. The doomsday clock draws nearer. Everything Begins. Nothing Ever Ends. Who watches the Watchmen? Join us for THE WATCHMEN AFTERBUZZ TV AFTER SHOW PODCAST as every single week, we'll be here discussing HBO's adaptation of the world famous graphic novel of the same name. From comic history knowledge to topical discussion on the largely divisive subjects the show covers, we'll be here breaking it down. Subscribe and comment to stay up to date with all things HBO's Watchmen. ABOUT Watchmen: "Watchmen takes place in an alternative, contemporary reality in the United States, in which masked vigilantes became outlawed due to their violent methods. Despite this, some gather around in order to start a revolution while others are out to stop it before it is too late, as a greater question rises above them all; who watches the Watchmen?" 