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Dark skin here. personal time so As you can see as I said, I have work Bay. We have Nana an obit here. Welcome. Welcome to after lives. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. And yes, my name is just real quick to clear that up as everyone gets confused. My name is obed-edom Old Testament. He thinks that it is I know but how Many I know so many open that I can. Oh my God Brian. It's funny a lot is like Dominican and Puerto Rican. It's not yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a woman in there you go. There you go. So Z sub stations and Dominicans. But whether they like it or not Monsanto to say that I also go by OB so for all of our listeners, yes, you know me is not know but they all know but just what your people get the record straight. I've also got respond to either one. I'll take his daddy is not in Partnership and now Radio, but after all it is a lover and they're not these views are not representing. Okay now say cheese. You of 2019 I'm starting this, you know minisode series here just kind of hanging out with some of my favs and I've been listening to work Bay and I'm just excited for what you both are doing but I want to take it way back because we had a phone call, you know, just to kind of Prep Prep for this episode and they just have such a cute story of how they met and how they've kind of sprouted this thing called work. Beso, yeah, tell the fam. How did you two meet? I mean, of course you can kind of get a hint from the name. But yeah explain just more like how you met and how work big kind of came into fruition. Yeah. Go ahead Anna. Oh, no. I thought you do it better we both take turns. Look up from my desk and I see this tall black-bearded man. And I'm like, who is this? Haha. Anybody works in the nonprofit sector, you know that it's very white. It is very quite and there are a lots and lots of women. So my to see a 6-3 bearded brother walk in the Rawls like what the fuck is this carbon me to the people, right? Anyway, I was just like, who is this person and we kind of were walking around Each other a couple like a few days out of the week and I'm we finally met him the kitchen and Martin the water cooler, right? Oh wow, and and we had a book on he was pulling his Tumblr and there was a book on the top of the water cooler and it looked I don't know if anybody is familiar with like the Zane's and the be more careful and the coldest winter ever seen those books. All of those out really well, how would you how to describe them to it? Like we read all of these in like junior high school and what's left? I don't know why your mother know this very much little hard courts, and it was like it was like your your street Chronicles your It was very salacious. Yeah, feel like white women have Fabio and black women have game. Is that a good analogy to see that? He was would be reading something like I didn't think Yeah, and then you have a really beautiful story about how you got the books. You should probably share that this is true. Yeah, so the book is called a beautiful woman right that messed it up. Imagine. I'm pretty sure it's called a beauty. Yeah, that's right. The author's name is Harold Patel Patel is like PT. Eh, but that's like his pen name. But anyhow, I live off of the to 5 in Flatbush and Brooklyn. Yes. It's all about them. The train and it wouldn't just be when I was going to work even on the weekends. Sometimes I'd see this gentleman who's selling a book right out of his bag. He would come down come down the subway cars letting people know. Hey, this is a MTA subway best-seller and he and he just he peaked my interest in especially because I was I was really impressed by how he was going about selling his book. Yeah. It wasn't just relying on social media or online. He was out there, you know, I mean really out there so, you know, let me support this. Good brother. Let me give him my my black dollars and I was only 10 bucks. I'll let you know. That's all that's not bad. If I buy the book and it's terrible. Oh, well, I hope town I get his men temples an honest living exactly is make an honest living. So yeah, that's how I got the book and and just as as Donna was alluding to that's really not a book. I would typically read I mean that's a first look like that I've ever read. I usually like my nonfiction like Malcolm Gladwell. Oh, yeah that kind of so how cell phone And the stuff yet never a romance novel, but I loved it. I loved it. It was good. It was good and it without getting too far into it. I think what really connected me the book is I I could relate a lot to the protagonist. And so when I met Donna in the kitchen that day at work by the water cooler, she asked me about the book and I let her know I let her borrow it as soon as I was done. Yeah. What I ended up doing a fence a book. I'll let you know what check it out. I have thoughts. Let me know what you think. Let me know what you think and and basically once she was I think you yeah, I think your friendship pretty quick. Yeah, I'm well, I'm a bubble up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah exactly as he reads so soon as she was done reading the book. We want to a copy shop not too far from our job and we had a really engage in conversation at least an hour to just talking about different stuff that came up in the book. Come to find out that none of attended a book club regularly each month. Oh, yes, he really is exactly what she also invited me ended up inviting me out too. And so really our our our relationship was born from from that book and and the the the topics that came out of that book helped spark a lot of the conversations that we ended up having in person, you know at during lunch at work or we go out and solicit. It just like best friends forever. Once that like Cafe like meet up happen. Like we're just like all right. That's the whole me away. We have some Growing Pains OB is he's real interesting in the way in which he likes to categorize his friendships be very very very much. So like you're in Out of my life and you will not enter the don't do that to Zola. Am I talking? Oh you told you so shout out. You got a rep your set really quick. Where are you from? Like? Where's your family from? Are you rapping is from Ghana? Hey, what's the area code plus 2 to 3 to 4 to 5 for ya. Kenya and I'm Kenyan by the way, I'm gonna work. We're like the best combination of yeah, I yeah because that's you that is as you were saying. Was interesting because like I'm the type of person where like if I fuck with you I fuck with you, but I think that I'm not very subjective in the way that I meet people like if I if I meet you on the train and we have a great conversation. We could be best friends for life. If I mean, I have a lot of lifelong friends that I met at work. We spent so much time there were snow and I think it was really a make sense a thousand percent. I kind of I feel like work is especially like nowadays. Especially especially in the nonprofit sector like work is very much like college. Yeah, these mesh people together and you kind of just figure it out as yeah, so I was really excited like to get to know him more and spend time with him. But like he was very adverse to like our friendship for me. Hmm which was saying the first and that's what it felt like but he kept texting me and asking me things and like inviting me to things and I was like well nigga, which one is it? It's like you're my friend. Did you just want to be co-workers? Right? What's going on here that he's right. We did have a couple of growing pains when I think we finally figured it out. Yeah, we did. Who's that? Who died were like, are you my friend or not? It was basically I think Donna basically what we do it that he wanted to, you know, maintain a very professional relationship. Of course, he was new to the organization. I'd been there for about two years. Okay, and I was starting to get really dated I didn't care about my job anymore. Like I just wanted to get out of there. So like it was really nice to have like a reprieve in a person. You know office politics what's going on with these? Yeah, it was my first time working with office 200. Wow. Yeah, but I like my thing. I'm very open. Okay. I trust you and you know, I we have that level of comfort. So I needed to know if what are we doing and respect like how much do I need to share with you? Because we'd had very vulnerable commercial off the gate which was a little not strange for me because I feel like I'm that type of person anyway, but it was like, oh sure. Wow, it's gonna be my friend, right? And so then I redid have a lunch one day and I was like bro. What if you want to if you want to be co-workers like a high by you to death like we don't have their yeah, you know, we don't need to pretend and I was like, I just wanted to respect where he was coming from and then also kind of guard myself from like investing in this person who was not interested in being invested in but he knew what he wanted and now here we are today. Well, don't the one The one part of the story that maybe we didn't add on just to give some more content. No. No, there was also an element here these to see ya for me personally. That's it. I've had friends at work. Yeah, and I've been able to really good friends once I'm friends with now some people places. I've worked but never the Romantic tip, I would never ever ever ever ever date a co-worker. So the only time I didn't really turn into Bay he was never here. I've never Krusty Krabs mean that's so funny because that's Lily. Well, yeah, but that because it's funny that you mention it because you did say it. I just like I'm just hates em ignore it and I was like and then boom up for you because your lightweight, but it's not a no right, but at the park at Liberty Memorial I was like I'm in love with it. I just I just ate physically obvious the type of person that I would date. Yes, and then it look to you like this. I do like a smaller guy. Yeah, I'm out usual type. But if he hits all the takes all the Aesthetics like how comfortable he made me feel and how open and vulnerable. He was like that was something that was very endearing to me. Her real name is Edna, Edna Mo. Oh, I would wow, I would eat that up. Like anyways, okay, that's so that's how our friendship formed then I speaking of a year review 2019. I think it was called the end of last year. I left the organization who worked at? And I was trying to figure out like what I'm doing in a friend of mine actually was like, you know what you should start doing like YouTube videos, you're so funny and you're telling somebody good and she was like, okay. Well then like would you do a podcast and I was like, oh, I love like I listen to him too many pockets. Yeah. I love Pockets, but I didn't want to do them by myself. And I didn't know like how do you ask somebody to do that? Right. So I think it was like New Year's Day OB had text video. Wish me happy New Year, and then literally was like, we should we should start a podcast and I Like nigga. Yeah, but let's do it together pretty quickly as well. Time that we talked about it in January. I think we were in the studio by early April. Oh, wow. Yeah, if not, actually a right. That's good thing. We didn't want him. February/march. You're right. Oh my God. Yeah. That's the that's our origin story. I mean, it really seems like you you both a just know each other. So well even like previous to like starting the podcast. Yeah. I'm sure like those times that you probably we talked could have been amazing episodes, which I'm sure you because you guys to delve in on so many interesting topics. You know, what's been your like favorite thing to talk about because I listened they talk about love and romance. I mean obviously like workday so Bay and then you guys get into like deeper issues of just like identity and like finding home and so like, you know, you're able to just bring in so many nuances and that's what I really love about a being black but being African to it's like we don't really address that like, Yes, we're all from the same continent but we all carry such a different identity at times and we don't have to be like a monolith, right? So yeah, I want to you know know what is your well have been your favorite topics to kind of debate and discuss but also, what do you what do you find that like, you're like listeners have gravitated towards because knowing that's a great question and and before I jump into because I'll share like some of my favorite topics. I'm sure not only have some adverse but I think one thing that made the the episode The not the episode but the whole podcast very easy for for us as we were already having all of these conversations before long before there was a mic in front of us. So I think that's what made it such a natural transition for us because of you know, a friend even asked me about this other day and I told him anytime not and I get into the studio. I sometimes forget the were recording our pot because because we have these conversations in really in much in the same way in the same. Yeah. Maybe it's not as structured as we do. Podcast but we're always having these kinds of conversations and I imagine a lot of other people are as well. Yeah, your, you know your group chat or at work your friends your family and I think that's what's really resonated with our listeners is that there's a there's a there's a certain level of often authenticity to our conversation because we're not dressing anything up, you know, we're being were being very vulnerable just like not a mentioned earlier and I think that's what's really allowed for our listeners to Eat with us because they are also being pretty or being able to tap into that vulnerability that were, you know, bringing each time that we regret. So yeah, I just wanted to mention that but in terms of topics, I think one of my favorite episodes was the one that we did on masculinity. There was a speaking of podcast was actually another podcast that that I listened to called hidden brain from NPR. Check them out. Yeah. Yes, I did not pay me. So you'll also see how they had they had done a really good. Yeah, almost like an Exposé really on the state of masculinity in the specifically here in the United States and how so many episodes called The Lonely American man. Yeah and how so many men struggled to form friendships meaningful friendships and relationships with other men and and what are the ramifications of that what you know, what does that what are the implications of that on us as a society interpersonally our relationships between men and women right just across the board. So I really enjoyed that episode especially because a lot of it was was new to you from what I remember like you weren't you didn't realize that things were that bad. I yeah, and I think I've already had like you mentioned a lot of the conversations that we have on record. I guess are like in studio art kind of just repeats of conversations that we've had. In the past and so he had shared that that episode that podcast with me and I was like, this is so wild like I figured man you guys get together on the weekends you go to sporting events, right? Like there's so many opportunities to spend time just like flirting with girls like we do. Well, that's very superficial. Yeah, like I always assumed that you were having substitutive emotionally vulnerable conversations just because I feel like the men that are in my life with I feel like I see that camaraderie that Brotherhood Willam it so I would assume that that would only be fostered if you're being vulnerable with each other and then after he sent that to me, I subscribe to Harper's and they had sent to article talking about the similar topic about how men do not have you know, substantial relationships with other men and that they rely a lot on their female partners for that emotional support that in a labor as the right and then funny enough the topic came up again at book club where OB now is a member shout out to literally write recruited and and now he recruits black men primarily but men of color Okay, and a lot of the men in the in the book club when we were talking about we were at the meeting. Yeah, we're talking about how they you know, they love their sisters and they love their mothers and they these are the people that hold them down and it's like well hold up time out. Are you when are y'all holding us down? Yeah, I bet you're bringing that up. How are you supporting these same women? You know what I'm saying? And I think that like it was it was interesting to me because I feel like I do play that role in a lot of the men in my life. Yeah my life and they do it for me in a very different way, but it is not the same no, and so having the conversation and realizing that it's because they are it's a void. They they don't know how to do it. They don't be they it's not visual to them in any tangible sense. And if they are having that relationship it is with the women that are closest to them. So their mothers their sisters their wives their girlfriends and a lot of times the It's not an ask like a lot of times women don't we don't expect men to be emotional or be an emotional support for us because we think that all men are not emotional right when Allen one of the most. All right. It's like that also was a really interesting conversation for me and I think we got a lot of response from our listeners about it because it's not something that people talk about. No, it's not another episode that for me was like Definitely one of my favorites is our Independent Women episode and just a it's you so but my Gmail yeah, and I think that that's that's the case for a lot of women. Like I think that you know, when you don't have somebody to depend on your only response you you're only Jesus to be independent and I think that a lot of times people have a negative connotation on what Independence means, especially when it comes from Black. Women and I think even even I think for went for black women, sometimes it's like it's a double-edged sword where you you do want to be soft and you want to be loved and you want somebody to care for you and when you don't find that right, you have to create that kind of you have to kind of create that for yourself and you're not do if you don't have the ability to do that. It's sometimes does hardened you and I don't think anybody intentionally. This planet trying to do that of ours. It kind of is like putting on an armored. Yeah, and I and I think Obie was having some difficulty understanding Independent Women and I thought it was my duty. Yeah to speak up for us and to let him know that like, this is not anything in a rejection two black men or as far as an affront to black man, but right y'all just did y'all job then we wouldn't have to do all you were doing so good. No, that's not. Research but right but at the same time to just like engaging your listeners and like engaging your guests. Yeah a really unique way and I thought that was a to talk about such a taboo topic on like sex, which was like so funny to mine like I talk about sex all the time. But so many of my friends who listen to podcasts were like girl. I know Me I think it's the opposite. I think what women doing that I know that's so funny. I guess I thought about it in like a yeah, I thought about it and maybe in like a voyeuristic away. It's like yeah, like because guys talk about sex. All right, it makes sense for a sex therapist like that. Right also be a menu a man. So like a for it to be pending then also to have that like African context to it. You're like her experience because her father is so I forget. Yeah Senegalese, but like and then even just like, where do Did they you learn about sex? Yeah is like, you know so crucial. Yep, you know, a lot of the experiences that you have it, you know, and I think that sometimes because of our upbringings like I think that there are certain things that we may have been exposed to really early. So even talking about being an infant independent woman, like usually it's our African moms that are like doing a lot of the labor at home cooking cleaning and then there's the emotional labor right? You know, like And you when you get sick like it's 90% of the time it's going to be the mom. You know, what I was making for Thanksgiving you remember that was hilarious. So laughter like that imagine you are just kind of schedule this call. So, you know, he was like yeah Thanksgiving free. No, I'm talking about when y'all asked me what I was making for Thanksgiving. Well, and I told you know that is in contact because it's like obviously you're free because you're not like I said anything but that even on D-Day you have you gone like stand near the kitchen at least two like I did you I did my mom. My mom had his helping we were her Sous chefs from like ten my okay. That was me. Just playing the role of the stereotypical African man, that ain't my work. Today, I know you know, of course of course, but I do think I do think though that probably some of your homies even as like woke and as amazing as they are like still hot, like I feel like there's certain under written things in our culture that just won't leave knowing that no is absolutely still work for right? Well men specifically right? Don't ask me to do nothing else. For sure, and I think that the preponderance or the majority that work absolutely is right. I got words to I got bars most of it absolutely falls on us, but there is still some lifting and support. I mean, do you find that like majority like what are some cultural norms that you plan on keeping going forward? Well, well like that where that you may be making your own to like you said it was your mom that usually did like do you plan in like your what is it? I don't know if we looked. Ten years. I know right or five years down the line like we were right I know at or I mean Let's do let's do 15 or 20, right? We'll make it further make it further, but it's just too if you were to think of like some cultural like Norms that were in your household for both of you actually that you would kind of cherish and keep I know for me, I'm definitely definitely keeping like we have this Friday to tradition where it's like we eat fish on Fridays like because where my Emily's from right? Shout out to be honest, you know, I love you, right so we'll eat our fish and like I definitely want to carry that forward, you know, and even just like our music like the reason why I started the reason I became a DJ really is because I love East African music. I mean, I love African music in general. So I think it's important that like there's certain things that we just have to invest in. Yeah as a people and keep and keep going because like, you know people He's going to try and appropriate it or like make it seem like it didn't come or originated from us. So yeah, I'm gonna push it to work Bay. What are y'all because you know, the undercurrents are always still African. Yeah, no matter where you go no matter which way you flip it. So yeah, I think for me it's one thing that I definitely appreciate or into it about growing up in my house was definitely and this I think came especially from my father was just making family time. I'm a priority so meaning like we we always had dinner together as a family. Wow, every night. If not every night the majority. Oh, wow. I think it really was every night. Yeah, it was, you know, dinner was everyone stops your you know, whatever you're doing whether you're playing video games and that was a time that we all had together to, you know to enjoy a meal and to talk about the days, you know, that kind of thing. Yes. I definitely enjoyed that the one the one part that I kind of want to try my best. To pass on to my kids and I need to do some more work is definitely language. I enjoy. Oh, I love the fact that you know, I have my mother's tongue on my father's time when it comes to kisi. I know yea yea yea yea yea Swahili. I can understand more than I can speak but I but I want to I want to finish finally learning how to speak it because I would be something that I'd want to live on with with my kids. I feel like that's so important too because I I recently saw a play shout-out Barbershop. Oh, yeah. I remember you mentioning that yeah. Oh my God, and like that was one thing that really struck me. Is that like a there's so many just like what's it called? Like the way we articulate ourselves even within the continent when we're speaking English is like so specific like it sound like a Ugandan person and even a Kenyan person are going to sound different, you know, and so it's like imagine like the link like if we all had like a Common Language like what that would mean or do but yeah. Banana, how about you miss me? This is kind of an interesting one just because I don't know if I'll marry a Ghanaian but so what we want to do is talk a little about that. See I'm learning sign. Oh, I how long were you I came back maybe like to okay. It's like the first two years. So yeah, and so growing up. I always knew that when I had children, I would send my kids over. Yeah, and then I remember one of my friends one of my Haitian friend. She was like, but what if your husband says no, and I was like, I never even thought about that or like what if we like what if he doesn't want his kids to be away. From him for years at a time and I'm like, but they might kick like I just never I never even because to me it was like so everybody does this great family, like everybody's kids with you know, like especially since I think my parents had emigrated to the states and like 85 and 88. Yeah, so like working and being new Yeah country. It was like important for them to have somebody to take care of their children that they trusted and unfortunately those people were not This country. So it was just kind of like a, you know, kind of a way for us to be culturally aware of where we come from. But then also literally it was just childcare like having you know, also you were here alone. Oh, that's it. So I have a bunch of party up pictures of the party and stuff like that. But no I loved it. I thought that was so great. And I feel very fortunate that to you because I feel like that could also you know, if we think about it like a it really is the quote it takes a village to raise a child. But at the same time to we you know, we always talk about like how some people may have felt abandoned when they were kids just because like their parents were always working or like, you know, they weren't really there for them. But I guess you were too young to realize that like definitely yeah. Didn't feel like but I'm like, you know, it's just funny how like because culturally you were probably with your grandmother and there was so much love there, but my brother is interested interesting and I and we've never had this conversation because he's so my parents got divorced. My father was kind of a you know, I know man, I don't feel so negative. But like he was always he has a huge entrepreneurial Spirit. Okay, and when he couldn't be successful in America, he was like I can't I need to figure out a way to you know, right provide for my family. So he Sided when I was about I would say five. Okay, I'm a my brother gets here just gotten here because we're about three years apart. So it was about two years old. He was like, I'm gonna go back to Ghana and start this company and all that kind of stuff and my mother was like that's real cute, but you're not about to leave me in this country with two kids by myself. So he decided to take my brother because he was small when I was already in school and my grandmother my maternal grandmother ended up living with him and kind of taking care of my brother. So my brother was in Ghana from two to five. So it was I remember when I was about seven I went to Ghana for Easter and like he was calling my mom auntie and it was like so weird and I mean it was like he was just mimicking what other people were coming. Yeah, and like it was interesting because she had visited a bunch of times. Yeah, so he knew who she was but like, you know, you're just very well. Yeah, I do I wonder for him if there is a distinction, right? He does feel Away, I don't know. Yeah, but for the most part, I mean, I don't think any of us really had when he was five. He came back. Yeah and like grew up in like and it's always it's always been New York, right? Yeah. Wow, even in a metropolitan City. Yeah when the big things because I feel like I feel like I have Been able to travel to other places and like stay there for like significant Parts within the states are no so like like well, I was actually born in Europe in England and then moved to New York and then went to Kenya and then spent some time in Geneva. Wow, and then came back so it's like and then my mom she had to work in because my mom has always worked around the world sure. So she when she was working or kind of yeah, we I didn't get that passed for outside. I guess so no technical. Okay, but like because she traveled so much. I mean it's funny like as I was growing up because she had stamps from like Iraq and Iran and like this is like, you know kind that like right after 2001 so we had gone to the Bahamas for my birthday, you know trying to be bujji. Didn't want to let my mom back. I like me to host you. I was so scared. They are right like the air hostess was like, don't worry. She's coming right back. The crazy thing though was like they stop the plane. Oh, wow. Yeah, they know not that they took us out of the car. But like we were held up because they do immigration in the Bahamas. Okay, so like before you get to the US it's because it's like a domestic flight, right? So like as we're doing immigration, they're taking her like they're taking her the room. So I'm like hysterically crying and like making a whole scene to my mom's trying to calm me down so that she can actually go and like sort it all out, right but like so I guess the arrow says just see I'm like my distress just like ass like oh, can we stall Oak Lane? So they stalled it but then like his we stalled it and like they're being told over being held up because of some security thing, right and then they see like two black people come on this like we type of deportee. Yeah, but I say all of that to say I just think that there's there's so much like identity and like I guess our idea of what we To bring with us is equally as important because then it allows people to really see like different sides of the continent and so obviously because we have gotta and Kenya weapon in the room. I wanted to know like have you been have you been back recently? And now this whole thing of the year of the return in him, you know what that really means to you, you know, like I feel like because I'm technically yes, I'm African-American but like, oh, really? Quick. Yeah, so you self identify as African American not really. Oh, well, I got all of the identity and like the places in like who I am like I feel like when you A African-American. It's so limiting. You know like you they you think of like a descendant of slavery, you know, and it's like that's not like that's not my history. Yeah, you know, so I just and I think but I think on the flip side for me, I feel like it's so important like the year of return is like so Monumental to me and I think that it's important for yeah. Yeah. I think that it's something that it should I hope what I hope that it. As though is that it Sparks more of an interest in going to and traveling to Africa sure that it doesn't just stop at Ghana, you know, it doesn't stop now nor does it stop at Ghana and like one thing that I've definitely seen already through social media, but also just like through conversations is that people have been traveling to gonna be even like before December, you know, like it's become like a tourist generation like this year. Yeah destination this year and like other places in Africa are really trying to like Leverage that to Kenya being one of them. I mean we always homing I mean yes and no though, you know, I mean it's only in like the past five years that they've brought like parties like everyday people or even like Jade and I'm like, okay I'm talking so I'm speaking to like our generation of Travelers, you know, because like technically there were telling people like hey instead of going to like Europe. Yes. Well, whatever please come to yeah, come to Africa come to Kenya go to a crowd go to Nairobi. Go to Cape Town go to the night. What is it Johannesburg? You know, so it's like making that like clear distinction of like yeah, I'm going to Africa to like have a good time. Right and December is the time to have it. So that's why it's like this is like a shift in like culture, you know what I mean? Because it's like we're no longer and what I hope is that people no longer look at traveling to Africa as this like scary crazy like oh my God, this is like I'm like, yes, I'm doing this in Great like it as a black person but it's like it's something that I can do, right? You know, it doesn't have to be like this like Thang. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I think I think a lot of that has changed recently the you know, you kind of put the window the past five years and I think that's pretty accurate. You know, just what I would like the the Advent of platforms like travel Noir right lacking abroad and I think a lot of those platforms are doing a really amazing job. Yeah of giving a face to a how do you you feel that's both right? Yeah. Well, I have mixed emotions. I'm cautiously enthusiastic and optimistic because for me it's just as I just don't want it to be something that's a blip on the radar where you know, yes, this is the 400th anniversary of African enslaved Africans. I will try to I was a most careful to make that distinction because no one's a slave so of enslaved Africans landing on On American Waters, but they're Africa lives on beyond that was still going to be here beyond the right bursary. So I'm just hoping that it's something that that ends up being more substantive than just this one year anniversary and folks are still coming back and still hopefully getting more invested in interested in learning about their rules and learning and just because that is their Birthright. That's all of our books, right? You know, they have just as much of a stake in Africa as I do. You know, that's they they're they're from there. You know, maybe not maybe I forgot. No not just that but maybe in a more indirect fashion than me. No, I was born. It's more. It's a few Generations removed but it's still there's right. It's not it's not something that only I as a quote-unquote African or some was born there and keep to myself and and you know, I'm not welcome them and so I'm cautiously optimistic because I just want I just see what's going to happen next. To me in 2 3 4 5 years and let's see the energy and still the same, you know what I mean, but I mean, it won't be it won't be but it could be though. I don't think about energy will be the I don't think they're going to invest because I feel like there's been a lot of money invested to make it Blow as much as it has because of the 400 years. Yeah and like this being that time what I'm saying is that I just hope that it becomes a destination that isn't just like that idea of like I have to go because like, yes, it is the Birthright but it's like to you could just go because like okra has beautiful places to go, you know and like Nairobi is the Indian Ocean. So it's like you can use that as like, well not I wrote but Mombasa has like, you know amazing places that you can go visit like it's a place that is actually a place to go and well because that's how like things get like infrastructure gets made and like when there's like a consistent flow my just like okay everyone comes this time and then no one shows up again for the next 400 years. Yeah, and I'm just hoping that it also becomes more accessible for specifically not for all of us. But especially for African Americans are really, you know, because you hear of like countries like Israel, for example, right, you know who has ties to his bill literally build the finance those people's Homecoming in the trip back. And from what I understand y'all. I think Kendall was Ghana was doing something. I've heard that but I and I'm really hoping that they do invest in that and that they do I look it's on sources to make it possible for someone who doesn't have a fancy job and is making and has disposable income to come there were also allowing and making it available to them and not just I know the new blacks quote unquote or people who have money. I want it to be accessible to everyone not just that's I only hope yeah, that's how about you Nana? I'm curious what you think, you know because he's really from Ghana really really. I've been paying a lot of its. I mean, I'm aware of the year of the return and I think I mean they my mommy where are you going? I'm okay. No, when's the last time you were back? Because that was one of yeah, that was yeah that was years ago. Okay. Yeah, and and they my mom was has actually been talking about the year of the return for like maybe three years. Oh wow, and she was telling me to prepare myself to come because I mean going to In December is not a huge deal to me because yeah everybody yeah everyone at the table Caribbean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so I was like, okay. I didn't know why she was like, oh definitely make sure that you come and then I think it was like last year when Aegis was there. Yes, and every every single like like this is a thing. Yeah, and so I agree with you about I mean, I agree with all of you about like I hope that this is something that is sustained. I hope that you know people realize that coming to these countries is a fruitful experience outside of you know, the celebration of the year of the return. I think that it is it is Ben and I think also with like the 23andMe xand ancestry.com and a lot of people investing in finding out their lineage and their ancestry and you know, just kind of figuring out where they fit in this world that people I think people will naturally invest in the travel and I think that people have been black Americans particularly have been doing that for a while. I don't think because like what you're talking about in respect to accessibility. It is very difficult. Like flights are very expensive. Yeah. What actually around Christmas. Yeah, actually, where do I go? What do I do? Who am I like how how do I navigate these spaces? And it's interesting to me that there is such hesitation because like I'm planning a trip to Europe. I'm having those same conversations, but it doesn't seem as daunting right as if I was going if I was if I was a non-african who was going and I've never been to Africa and I and I was visiting but like I've said I went to Africa. I went to Ghana five years ago for my father's one year, but I've never been to Ghana as an adult on my own. It's always been like familial trips. Same with me and Kenya we were talking about this. I plan next year. I kind of want all of this stuff to kind of all right, that's why I mean, let's see how it actually real back next year and hopefully kind of exploring it on my own. Yeah any like responsibility to stay with my family? Yeah to go to whoever mountains houses the Auntie over here and the couch but I also I'm having those contents same conversations like okay, if I don't want to stay with my family, where am I going to have a beautiful friend? Who and I'm gonna I'm forgetting what her She kind of had she bought a house. We went to elementary school together. She bought a house and she is like Ghana and Ghana and she's Rich. She's refurbishing it now to kind of be like a bed-and-breakfast are being will has we're not only do you have lodging but she can call it like curate your visit look and I find that I'm going to remember right? Let me see if I can find right now. Yeah. In the show notes for sure. So I figured a lot of Ghana and she's kind of like rebuilding this house and I think she had a multi-family floor has one room that she's done and I can you can see the construction in other spaces, but I thought that was fucking genius. Yeah that you know how Americans whether they're black Americans or yeah other of other Oops, how they like to travel exactly so having that experience as an American like she was born in America. Yeah American but also knowing how he local zactly ya know so brilliant of hurts like hell yeah curating vacation spaces and kind of and also I think that there's like there it kind of puts you at ease a little bit H. I know that there's somebody who's here that speaks a language whose writing Swindle you are like, oh poor situation. So I just thought that was so brilliant and I'm definitely gonna figure out I'm gonna post will see ya know. That's yeah posting a lot and like giving out a lot of like to dues and hints and like, you know giving people updates on cuz she knows there are a lot of people are going to be traveling around this time. Yeah so smart it was that so I mean personally, I feel like that is really what a lot more Africans live in the diaspora probably should be doing. Yeah, just like as you both have said Like taking more trips like on your own to discover it on your own life, whether it's you or your mom or dad or from and like visiting even like I so I had the opportunity to go back in college because I did my thesis on like a particular thing in Kenya, which is called m-pesa, which is like we had to mobile money transfers and it's like venmo and catch up wait. It involves evolved as like people went on the ground and yeah. Young people really like flow through that like there's a whole thing about Canyons on Twitter, which I've talked about like numerous times and like we just tend to We tend to just have conversations online and like from that though. There's been just a huge diaspora link because like Kenyans like my majority of Africans live abroad, you know, so it's like they still want to have that connection and like listen to the music but like they don't really, you know what I mean, like whether it's immigration. Ation related or whether it's just like family purposes like they live abroad so being able to now have like so when you think about like your families and like how life changes and if they grow it let's say up in Europe or in New York like they need to also understand if they're going to claim Kenya they need to understand it. Yeah, you know, and so when I went back I was completely on my own. I mean, I stayed at my aunt's house for sure, but it was very much so like you need to kind of do this on your own. Like exploring that it was different. I mean it was nice because like obviously like having done my research for my thesis. Like I was connecting with specific people. But like I said, I wanted to go turn up, you know, and I was I was blessed enough that like I have family friends who like have kids that are my age. So it's like we were all kind of linked up together, but then I know but like just understanding that like, okay if I did actually stay here like, you know, what would the landscape look like if our parents didn't leave you You know I thought about yeah in prior to the last time that I wasn't going to probably wasn't a god up for like 10 years. No. Wow, and I remember the last my last trip there was in like to write before eighth grade and I stayed in Ghana for the entire summer and I literally was like, I don't want to leave. Whoa. What if I want High school here and all that kind of stuff and she was like, okay Finish graduate and come back and I literally like it was really a thought for me to just stay and then I came back to the States. I was like, I'm good. I don't know if I want to raise a family here. I don't think so. You got a lot of thought to not necessarily that it's back in Kenya, but just outside of the US. Oh place is going to shit. I don't like yeah, let's so was the rest of the world? Yeah, but but not not like here bro. I mean, we're all well-traveled enough to know that at the way things here Wes, I love New York. I feel like New York is in a little bubble. I don't think so. But I'm just thinking that and we'll even use I'll even use you guys are a prime example, like think about just a raising a family thing about what's maternal leave in the u.s. Compared to your oh, yeah. What's Health Care in the u.s. Compared to other places and I know it's tough and I have this challenge whenever I go back home with my cousins and of Everyone outside the US has been sold the quote unquote American dream. We been sold American Dream they without without even exaggerating they say sometimes think these streets are paved with gold and like this is just the place to be and everything was perfect. My cousin dead a size my aunt like about Timberlands. Yeah fact in like hot ass and I just think they don't realize that that America also has so many things that the struggles that they deal with home. And that living here and life here is not always that easy and that sometimes there's certain parts of being back home or wherever that are better than being and I think sometimes I gets lost on on you know, our cousin's our family what I call them just because they you know, they have they haven't been here to see if themselves because I've had cousins who have moved here as adults were family friends and when they get here they realize yes, it's a grind it's you know, I mean America's just work work work work work. You're not having that that that I'm where the family's meeting and you know what? I mean? Yes, so yeah, there are times where I've been thinking like yo, maybe I'll just you know, Pat couple days somewhere else. Would you remove would you move? Well, honestly, I was planning on leaving the states this year. If I if I go that's right 2019 in review you're about to say I was kind of like this year has been like so transformative for me and like Really a mirror of like what do you want? Like, what do you want? What do you want to do? Who do you want to be? Where do you see your life? And I don't think because like what we just said about like we're always hustling. We're always working. I don't think enough of us take that time to try to answer that question. We don't and I was fortunate unfortunate like I was in a space this in the beginning of this year and kind of pretty much for the the majority of it where I was just Myself to experience life and I kind of threw my responsibilities to the Wayside which is not the most productive. I mean like I Yeah, like I would wake up some days and I'm like, I'm not leaving my house today and I'm okay with that or I would get like people would hit me up to like work on a shoe or two style for this. Yeah. Can you come I want a commission something from you and I had the Liberty to say yes and go pick up and do something. My days were a completely different every single day and and I don't think that we give ourselves enough of that. And I mean a lot of that has to do with like having to pay rent and put food on the table. And I mean God forbid you have children like that's a whole other thing that you need to focus on. But I'm I was I gave I gifted myself the ability to kind of just throw all of that to the wind and just up do the things that I wanted to do and it was scary as fuck. Yeah. There were a lot of times where I was like down to my final dollar corner and I didn't know what was going to do and then literally God would give me an opportunity and I wish I could make it through the next day and I'd lived in My apartment for about six years of Myanmar my landlord have a pretty good relationship. So nice. He wasn't he was like sis. I don't know what's going on, but I'm a need backup. Right? I've got you so like I started hosting at a little restaurant in Cobble Hill just to kind of but it was like and I'm like college-educated lot like yeah. I was like, I just don't I don't want to have to clock in every day. Yeah, and I want the the opportunity to to do what I want to do and if I want to A bomb and not do anything today. I want to be okay with yeah, I think that we all deserve and so it was it was towards the summer. I was like, okay. Well this this is fun. So I was really really diligent on the the jobs that I was applying for and I was fortunate to get a job for an organization that I really respect doing the work that I really love to do. And I was like even this if I don't like it in six months, I'm getting on a motherfucking plane and I'm moving to Paris and I'm gonna focus on this action Senegalese may still out there. I'll be with the Manifest you are doing this for her. Haha, so you've bathed or stopping that for the policeman? They're not they're not checking for me. But I do I love the work that I'm doing right now. Like I said, I'm working for in a really beautiful organization and I do feel very fortunate to enjoy the ones that I do and so I was like, well, fuck me I can't move to Paris but literally last week I was having a horrible horrible week. And I was just like let's just check Expedia and see what the tickets look like. And I told myself if the tickets are less than $500. I'm going to Paris for my birthday and I got a really great ticket look at you and I think that we just need to like a lot of a lot of this does have a lot to do with money. Yeah, and it has a lot to do with like I mean like you're saying the benefit of time and you know giving yourself that Grace but I think it is so important that we invest in that because like 2019. I think you had mentioned. Like it kind of it came in a win here. We starting they're starting to do that more and more and if we don't take the time out to enjoy our lives when you know, when the Lord calls us and we look back what have you done? No, it was ruled on Instagram your hope is it right or is your whole life your job or is it like I don't I don't want that to be my reality. And yeah invest in yourself and do shit like find your own Joy. I've been on that same shit myself. I love that. That I love that and speaking of you guys have like some superpower hidden talents. What do you mean? Oh, I didn't even know that you knew that you were finger waves going so yeah. I didn't know that but E he does things to write either Stu Stu here doing well put ography is something I stumbled into stumbled. Yes. No felony. It really was. Yeah about four years ago. I guess you're next. You will make four years. Yeah, since I bought my camera, so that's something that I've been really passionate about and something that probably early last year. I saw something that I could potentially pursue as a career. Wow. Because I was really I really in enjoyed tapping into my creative side because that wasn't always something that was fostered or celebrated growing up. Of course, you know, what we all have everyone in this room has left him pants. You are expected to do something in stem and maybe a lawyer that's about it. Also lawyer engineer. Yes, certainly not an artist or a photographer because my mom was a journalist. Oh, oh, okay. See you do it by just do it. Well, yeah. Yeah, that'd be great or be and so I was always I was always into the Arts coming up. I played a few instruments growing up and so I was always kind of tapping into that or incident that world growing up, but I didn't really tap into it until I got older. Yeah, and now that I've had the the Um to kind of pick for myself what direction I would like my life to go. I know that I'm really dedicated to yeah, just the creative arts and then whatever shape or form that that might end up taking as time of Vols pronounce photography is hire me. I love you. I'll take your pictures also writing. I do some poetry and you saw website. So I've been doing a lot of just writing at this point, but I'm also now trying to introduce Performance aspect to it John be who you know is she's kind of been helping me in that in that department because she's yeah, she's a little she's an amazing poet and and she performs a lot of amazing pieces. So yeah also some time trying to get into as well. I guess what I got for now so photography poetry next year hopefully picking up an instrument back up because it's been a few years. So hopefully the music will get in there too. So and That's just one thing I would also encourage your listeners. I think a lot of us. It is an episode. We had earlier in our season this year just about creativity. Yeah all creative people. There's this idea that only certain people. Well, that's a lie. We all we all have a creative part to us like yeah, it's just a matter of how much you investing in how much your you're allowing for it to Blossom because only the things that you nurture will grow. So if you're not giving it, right Yeah, it's just a matter of investing in apple something that you've always wanted to duel. You've been interested in. So we live in New York or for your listeners or whatever City. There's a class that you can sign up for whatever you're into tube University. There's YouTube on University. Yeah, you can learn on your own. I feel like we are really entering like the DIY. Yeah for sure Sanctuary for sorrow because it's like whatever you can like like like Like you said, you bought your own camera and you now, you know your first and like you can really make it happen. As long as you're like really discipline. That's something I struggle with. I'm still working on that part, but you're right. It doesn't I think that I feel like there is never going to be like unless you're like in the military and like habit and you like yeah discipline is something you work on for your whole life. Like it's nothing that you can yeah, that's something you nurture some muscle. You know what I mean like you get super fit at It's just like it's one of those things like you said explore different avenues. For sure. Yeah. I just I wanted to wrap this up though by asking just what I mean. There's so many highlights of 2019 and things that you know, you may have personally accomplished but I would just want you to think about like maybe if you could give three words to what 2019 has brought or has done for you and then Three words that you're looking forward to in 2012. So six words. Yeah, I mean to make it a sentence if you want. Yeah. I'm okay. I think a 101 word that comes to mind for me is Clarity because that's something yeah, and we can share that's okay because I know going into my birthday 2018 so last year, that's what I wanted for my So was too because of for I feel like for a few years, I've kind of been just trying to find my way. Just trying to see what what my life is going to be and what I want my life to be. So I think Clarity is something that that Rings true for me in 2019. I'm still getting closer to that, you know, finally and final crystallized you no idea but I think I've definitely found more clarity in myself and what I want to do and who I want to be as well, so Apart from Clarity. I think another one. I would also put curiosity up there as well because I'm also kind of like what I was saying a few minutes ago just giving myself space to be curious and to explore and do different things. The podcast is a perfect example, you know, I never I enjoy podcast. I never thought I would be doing one. So so happy well and doing it. Well, thank you. So I think just that was a The thing as well just allowing myself to be curious and just be open to what what comes my way. That's what I've got for now won't bounce it to you. I'll see if I'll think of the third one while you while you think we'll definitely I agree with Clarity. I think the end of 2018 was like so tumultuous for me and even kind of the beginning of 2019, but I think that I have and this is an everyday kind of challenge but I am Really starting to love the woman that I'm becoming that's not so much. So they hear myself like everything that I've been through and kind of what what is to come I'm very optimistic and I feel very appreciative of all of my experiences The Good the Bad the Ugly I definitely think that they have death they've helped to mold the woman that you guys see before you today and I think She's pretty fucking don't like so Costa friends. So definitely I like I mentioned before like this year has definitely brought a lot of clarity and it's also been life-affirming that like, I think for a long time and you kind of touched upon this before about like growing up with African parents, you've had to be exceptional and they always want the best for me and I think that I have an expected you to be the best. Yes, and I think that I've internalized a lot of that pressure. and I've moved in a way where I needed everybody to think that I had it all together and I think this year I allowed myself to be vulnerable to ask for help and to be a little broken but in that Brokenness, I feel like I've found my core and I think it's a lot of it is just insecurity of like, you know, letting people in and letting people know that like they're are some Jagged Corners to me that I'm not even really sure what they are yet or how to work through them and you don't want people to see way into kind of like find his weakness and I think I think for a long time like I I think that I've so I thought that my mom had it all together and my grandmother had it all together and so like if they're if I don't that there's something wrong with me, right but I am in this year of clarity. I realize it then ladies don't they were just trying to do the best they can. Yeah, we all are that's good. And and then it's there's been some hard times but I've been I've had some really fun times. I've said there's been a lot of Joy this year and doing things that I never thought that I would do definitely having, you know, the podcast is high on that list, but also my mixi girl 2000. Yes. I can't we got mixi. Hey Hannah, I am not that girl. I won't be doing that again. I said before I just finding your joy like creating that for yourself. It's something that I wanted. I'm challenging myself to do more and I definitely would challenge y'all and everybody that's listening to do that to you and the for 2020. I just want more more of that. Okay. I want to make my Miami. I want more clarity. I want to be affirmed. I want more more happy times three more dick. Okay, I don't know. I don't know if this is a family podcast. Oh shit away. We can talk like that on ours. Oh, this might be we want to get invited back here. Okay? Uncommon because it was it was something that we started off on one of our earlier episodes of this year for 2019. It was I think Grace is a word that we would roll in with our listeners give it to just at first you need to give yourself on the grace all of it. And then also give that to give that to your community give that to the people around you give that to strangers people that you hate because we have no idea what people are especially in today's cancel culture was so quick to write people off. It's important to show people Grace. Yeah, so No, no, that was it. I was just going to say I think that's I think that's our third one that we have is on this. Yeah, that's the 21. Yeah. How about you receive all of that? Yes. Yes. What are yours for 2019 words, I would say definitely confidence. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, I'll add to the Seas. You know, you say yeah, we came to see it's going okay. All right. I know I think this year. You know hosting and you know kind of stepping into the world of like DJing and just was this your first year DJ know, so it's my second but like well this was yeah, it's my second year. It's okay two years at that like early next year got it. But yeah just like kind of closing that out and like because it really it requires you just to be like you have to put yourself out there. You're looking like you trust the DJ. Yeah, like you are the party. Yeah, you know and so it's like Great that all thank you. All right this Saturday right? It's one of those things where you learn how like your confidence is again, like a muscle, you know, like You the more you kind of put yourself in places and you kind of exude that confidence. You just start to have it, you know, and I think that I like similar to Nana. Like I just really loved the woman that I'm becoming and like just realizing that I have so much that is still yet to be learned still yet to be explored and like we really can do it all I mean sometimes I get crazy. It's a hyena. And like that's so funny. You said it's hard because my other what was kind of a joint word, but I was going to say hard work. Okay, like everything that we do whether it's creative whether it's work, whatever it just requires you to put in that work. I'm have to try too hard you even with like the fun things, you know, like I have to practice every day like a I had to buy equipment like it's a constant like struggle to like, you know, you get funds from one place just so it pours it back into another. Yeah. I'm like, yeah. Have to manage that all on your own, you know and like navigating like even podcasting and like editing and all that good stuff. Like you just want to make sure that like you can be very just like you have to be selective, you know, you have to be selective with like who you're really pouring into and like which was boring. Right? What you're investing is. Yeah, you know, and I mean, I'm appropriate that word to Great. Okay, take it. Yeah take it. Yep, all three of us three of us are doing are giving ourselves Grace because it's real I think they're it's so necessary, especially yourself. I think sometimes we do a much better job with other people. Yeah, we do it on my own and as everyone knows the story like I did have a co-host but now doing this on my own that has brought on like so much opportunity, but the same time it was scary as hell. I actually like I had Failed, you know, so like to now be continuing and like doing something that I really do love and like I enjoy listening and even having other podcast buddies like it's something that's just affirmed me in this world, you know, and so I love where ya at exactly. We are exactly where we need to be those who are listening and those who are recording. Thank you. Both so much. I think the one thing we didn't do. I think we were Miss if we did we got we got those social handles out there know where to find us and everything. I mean, well, I was I was gonna think oh, I stole your thunder. I am terrible. Let me just Why can't you got out with not she all got home and I don't even know my name, but yes tell the people where they can find you. Um, so for work baby, you can find this as at work Bay pod and that's on Instagram and also on Soundcloud, I believe that's our sayings. We don't have Twitter yet wob and Todd. To work on on a just to get a personal Twitter like just to start there. I'm working on her. See you are. Yes, you are you might be losing some bags to be collected to like your business like promoting your business that started on Facebook like two months. August yeah, everyone's laughing at that kid who talked about pizza? Yeah. I saw I saw that I've been busy with that so we don't have to just yet but soon come soon come and then also you can find us on all the streaming platforms. I'm pretty sure at this point Warren all them pitchers modify apple and it's just work Bay with non and OB that's how you can find us on there. Yep, and personally for my photography. Fe can find me at Oscar Bravo Oscar Bravo and that's Oscar Bravo with zeros instead of Hose. Where does that come from the Oscar Bravo? Actually, that's a story that's back to my flying days. I used to be a pilot and so I'm trying to talk about your side has he's so special. So my nickname is OB and so there's the the military alphabet like alpha bravo. So the own the be A scab look at that all it all comes together. So yeah, you can find me on there. So just make them zeros instead of old funny enough the actual Oscar Bravo is another photographer. I'm a you know, I'm a work on him like that that you don't think that you don't need. How about you Anna? Well, yes, like, oh, he said definitely follow us on our work being pawed and I said listen to our episodes. I think we're in the midst of we're right in the middle of season 2. Is I am branchy. That's I am yr. E NK why I and if you are interested in getting a commission made if you are. Other episode half roll it hosted by and for p.m. Again. Episode brought to you by a listening party. So come and Shop the store holiday season.
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