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We're just going through it. You guys binging this show episode 4 called the Appropriately named holy cow. We are talking Ava's standoff. Abram has nothing. And of course the trial we're also talking our special segment W Wy D, what would you do for those of you who don't know and of course our news and gossip, but first I have my Messiah extraordinaire Messiah the Netflix show extraordinaire Evan a Chapman. Hello. How are you doing? Good. How are you? I'm very good. I'm very glad to see your face today. Oh good. Yes, we've been hanging out here like almost every day. You guys were tight. Okay. We're sorry for like I showed her my Empanada recipe today. So what do I need? That means we're close real close, okay. This was a big episode so big like we were talking before our notes are just like Letty I mean for Pages you guys have four pages of notes. So we're going to try to do it. Okay in a time looking at the clock here. We're going to try to do it in a timely manner, but we're so much we'll get there at the cover. Okay. So let's just dive right into it. So we don't waste any time me talking about nothing Ava standoff. She finally gets to me Thomas I finally Finally and I feel like we've had some questions answered with her character before she meets him. So she was pregnant or had gotten pregnant right? See ya hold you you were right, right. Okay not taking some weird drugs. Like I was my theories were way off. She actually was taking fertility drugs. Yes, and her husband is dead dead. So that's confirmed. Yeah. Yeah, I thought so, yeah. Yeah, I mean I knew it was gone. But I was I was hoping so she his sperm is banked and that's how she's able to be getting pregnant here. Okay, but my question still is aren't we supposed to see there's a step that's missing. There's a step missing but again a show. Yeah. Yeah as feel like that's an important thing to connect and they just assume that we're like, okay she went and yeah exactly on her off day. We didn't see it. It's fine off day. Off days. Okay, so some questions answered because I know last time we had a lot of questions a lot of questions. So that's just some of their answers. So she's so dedicated to her job, right? Then she just goes straight to a Masai with a tip-off from will Mathers who's like your typical security not security a policeman, you know, he liked dressed really nice super tall hair is like gelled, you know, he looks thinking to me he I don't think he's sneaky. I think I just has little man like little man syndrome. There's something like he has an ego a big ego and I think that you know, she outworks him and I think he knows that so I think he's just trying to like catch her up and something. Yeah, I agree - I agree. Yeah, but he also wanted something from her, right? We don't know what that is, but I feel like you're right. I don't trust him. Yeah, but he does help her out and tip her off that Alma PSI is alone, and she's I know that face. I know the face so Big O and then this is the confrontation this is I feel like besides the trial. I feel like this was my favorite scene. Yeah, like there's felt like this was my favorite episode by far it is so far. This is like my favorite episode. Okay, and that scene Had Me Like You better tell her about herself. You better tell her I love I really liked it. I feel like they were they were like trying to both call each other out. She was like, I know you are you're not going to say you are I know characters like you she breaks it down. This is how you this is how you become the way you're doing. What you're doing and you totally turned it around back on her a hundred and ten percent turned it back on her. So do you think okay. So with this conversation? Is this something that you thought completely like solidified even more? So in your mind that he could be the second coming character or is he just like playing it? No, I'm telling I told you that I was sold. I'm just I'm just telling you I'm sold. Yeah, I'm not sold Yeah, but I I mean, I feel like there has to be some type of like plot twist. I mean like I'm just wondering like how are they going to in the show? You know, like there has to be some type of like conflict weird thing like right now it's like building tension. Oh, but like nothing's actually like really happened yet. Yeah, like, you know, they're going after him but he still seems to find himself like getting out of things of course all the time, of course, so I'm like, okay like what's gonna be that like Big Dot on top? Yeah. Yeah, you know why I feel like the trial was almost at because if he could have he could have gotten I wait I wait. Okay. Oh, wait it. All right speaking of waiting. Yes. 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Oh, he totally feels bad senseless dropped him the desert feels bad, but nothing. Yeah because he went back to try to look for exactly. Of course, he's gone, but he tells his friend man. I effed up like I totally effed up and then he loses his job. I kind of wasn't me it was that whole thing. Like, what do you think made him kind of the megiddo thing will eyes know like realize that he made a mistake with the jibril because If he's completely out of line, he's completely out of line. Like he he seems to have been acting on his own accord for a very long time and I think the reason why the government kind of turns a blind eye is because he gets them results. Right? Right. He gets them answered not always how it goes right a little money. You have a little result. That's what it is. Exactly. So I feel like he's like, you know, people are like, okay whatever but now that the CIA was involved it became a big deal now they have to fire him over it, but they're not fire. Him firing him because of you know, I mean they are firing because of the deleting the tape but not because it was a Masai but because of this whole megiddo incident, right and that's what he doesn't want anybody to know. It's not the fact of him, you know talking to a Masai and all that was said it was its that incident the fact that he knew that that's what he doesn't want anybody to know so much so that he's willing to lose his job over it. So it makes me wonder what happened what happened. Happened. I don't know. I hope they tell us I mean it's it has to be something Beyond theirs. We know there was a boy. They killed him. Did they, you know, how he'll him like, you don't know. I don't know so it but it must have been really really bad if he's not going to tell his chief police. So, you know, it's really interesting. It's obviously got caught up in some asked at the end of the day just like he deleted those 12 minutes with him and I'll Maasai on the recording. He probably did something that maybe wasn't protocol. You know what I'm saying? Nothing. He does is produce exactly. He's like a loose cannon. He just he literally just you know, he does whatever he wants and I feel like his anger. Like I said before I think his anger such a big focal point because he drives everything is driven off of his anger what he's upset with and now it seems that you know, Alma sigh has driven him to lose his job because he wouldn't have lost a job if not for this. For this situation situation. Yeah sure, not the interrogation. You know, I mean isn't that the point of him supposed to be coming back to like give things light kind of show whatever else is true? The darkness will come to light exactly it. Yeah, there it is. There it is. I see it. Yeah, so I'm I really like his character. I really like his character and I think I feel bad for his character. I feel bad too. I feel like he's like a lost soul. He is he like doesn't know what to do with himself now he in. So now he has nothing absolutely go from like power to like having that thing. Yeah hard pretty crazy hard. All right, we've just Breeze through the those first two topics just so I could get to the trial. Okay, like I was like wash talk about it done. Here we go the trial. Okay first I want to point out al-assad has a real name. These are real name is really fun. I was that he has a real name. Well, we don't know what it is. You don't know. No, I mean I didn't think he did. I thought that you know, he was just a messiah. Yeah. I know he has a real name. That's not revealed. Okay, but he's raising Havoc everywhere. And what I really want to focus on is his plea to the judge. It's short. It's sweet. He says no one decided where they were born. Yes. What divides us the Border? I'm paraphrasing here. Yeah course a border is an idea decided by the lucky and today you sit in the seat of the fortunate and just remember what puts you there. What is fate but the hand of God, honestly, I thought that was such a strong line. So strong. I thought it was such a strong line. I was like wow, like I mean, he's right like to be honest with you. That is so true. Like we don't pick where were born or the family we get that's just it just happens. Right? So I think that's so true. Like you don't get to pick whether you're poor or Rich, you know any of that. So I was like, you know it dang it point. It was very poignant. Yeah it was What makes you different than me? Yeah, except for the fact that my fate had me over there. Boom. Exactly. Exactly. And that seemed to hit struck a nerve with judge because you know the way he looked at him and let's not forget the thing but like he is also dying the judge. Yeah, because okay. So when we first open the scene, right? Yeah, it's like this CAT scan of a brain and I was like, I thought was was Ava's me to yeah, and I was like, oh my gosh, like does she also have like this crazy? Jion, operable brain injury or tumor or something. Like what's happening? So then obviously it's not revealed till later that it is the judge with the whole like CAT scan in his drawer thing and he was like, you know, let me die happy place. I think after you know going through this whole thing and like hearing that I think he I feel like death always brings a different tone to stuff. So absolutely when you're on your last leg, there's no way that you're going to try to be mean or like stick something to someone or like try to get revenge. Yeah. Because for you like there's not really a point anymore, right? So I feel like that was definitely a good 20 turning point. And that's probably why he let him go. I was I was I think you're right and I was also wondering if he let him go because it's like this is my last like my last dying wish is to make the wishes of other people come true, right? You know, if I'm gonna die then I'm going to go out good and this guy with the right time. He's the guy that gets the goodness. Yes. Yeah, so I think that's why he let him go despite the bribe that he got, uh, because talk about it. The president is and his henchmen are all up in arms you guys I do have to say that I think Netflix does a really really really good job with this, right? Yeah, because the thing is like when you're watching this show it's not about like action-packed and like we're like, you know suspense or like a thriller like at this is not that show right? So I think maybe people I'll go into it with a different understanding of what the show is going to be about and they're like disappointed. But if you go in with like an open mind and you go in looking to analyze something this is the show for you. Like if you're not analytical type person. This is the show for you because you have the way that they parallel the issues we have the show, but it's basically like in modern times. So we have a president who is controlling and using bribes to get his way which I mean isn't too far off from what we're dealing with right now has already put like an Gration control right in that's been standing for at least two years. Right? Right. So then we're talking about the immigration ruling the controversy there, you know, you see that all over the news and the TV in the show also talking about like religious Miss conjures up like not understanding with misunderstandings, which I think are there's a whole lot like not obviously when you're dealing with Middle Eastern culture, it's completely different. So again like that whole Bridge Between the two and then culturally it's different to so religiously and Coach release and you're touching on all these topics. So I was like, okay Netflix Round of Applause. Yeah, they do their job. Yeah, but it's also funny. It's not funny, but it's also interesting because they they touch on those topics and then they show how much those topics over Cloud what the real situation is, right? Like a lot of that although important is a big distraction. You know beyond like what is going on behind the scenes? What is what is it that they're hiding? You know, what is the real situation? Yeah, I mean, but the thing is right, but it also it's showing the fact that yeah, you're hiding things right? But I mean isn't that like isn't that everyone's kind of like Mo like you want to look your best this especially of course, you know, you're running the president. He did the whole bribery thing because he wanted to look like we have control. We are America we are Our powerful you can't mess with us and that was the message. He wanted to send so whether he did it dirty or you know, not nobody would know right and that was so I feel like it's again those touching pieces of also trying to put on a facade to like show what to others what you what you're trying to portray. So basically Instagram, yeah, basically basically Instagram Instagram is a lie down believe anything you say on and we all use it. Hey, don't lie. We all use it. Yeah, absolutely. I think those are amazing points fantastic points because they did they did they touched all of it and it was like, you know, they've been hinting at it here and there but they really got it all in one episode. Yeah, and I think that's genius is good job now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I want to talk about when they asked him what religion he was. Yes, and he says I walk with with all men. Yeah. What do you think that meant? The thing which I thought was interesting to that same because everyone soon as he said that everyone was at home and you hear that in the courtroom and then they put it on like all these all these boards and stuff walk with almond. You just said walk with all and I think why was that such a big topic? I mean, why was that such a thing to me? I don't know for me. I didn't understand why everyone was so up like up in arms about that. But again, if you are the Son of God who are sent from God the Messiah you don't have a religion necessarily, you know, like you Feel like you believe in God, right? Because the Lord the God is your father my butt. I don't know. I feel like you walk with everyone like everyone's included. There's not like a geisha a separation between like Muslim Jewish Catholic Christian Baptist. Like there's not like it's all semantics. Yeah the end of the day at the end of the day you read the Bible you believe in God, right? So it's like you walk with everyone and honestly, I don't feel like the intention is ever when it comes to like religion and God and all that gray like not to get too deep but it's like, oh no, I don't eat the intention is Doubt God had right to have 30 different religions. Yeah, I do not think that that we would be on it's like people have an idea of like, oh well, like I learned this but like I don't agree with this so I'm going to go do my own thing over here. I'm going to have followers believe in the teachings that I am saying and growing and whatever and so that's why we have so many different religions, but I don't think that was like the true intention. Yeah, right. So I mean, I agree with you. I don't I don't think it was that your intention to have all of these different sects of you know, believing and stuff. I agree with you, but I think I think there is a difference between a lot of these different religions. Some of it is. Yeah, some of it is semantics and it's you know, but they all Bridge they all kind of have the same overarching story. Right and it makes me wonder where that came from. You know what I mean? Like, what is that original overarch story that meta-narrative that we have, you know, that's that's where that's where. I think it's different and then the other religions I believe are you know all off of that right like playing off of that but it's funny because you know every religion if you like listen to like if you like study a little bit every religion has their own creation story, right? So it's like with the Bible and like Christianity you have like the Adam and Eve ate the apple get banned and then you have Greek mythology like has the same idea where there's like Zeus and you know Hercules and whatever and that whole thing. I mean I did. A little tour for like Greek mythology and I was like, oh snap like Hercules actually wasn't like this wonderful person that we're all kind of like, but yeah, I had no idea the good that yeah. None of them. All. The Greek gods have like too many human characteristics and they're all the bad one. It's like even Cupid. I was like, I gotta get out of here has their own creation story. So it has to be coming from somewhere, right? That's what I agree. Yeah. I think it's coming from somewhere. Interesting to see the different the differences and that's why I think when he says I walk with all men right I agree with you. I think he could be alluding to that. You know, he is here like for the people kind of a thing, you know, I accept all men, you know and women of course K guys don't write everyone here everyone man, when he says all men he means everybody women too. So I high mankind all mankind drink. There we go we go change it where inclusive yeah, I walk with all mankind. So I think yeah, I think it's I think it's that but it makes me question like where is its where the knights loyalty lie. But like where does that leave? I mean, okay. We solve the people at the border. Let's not forget. Okay who are dying? Okay, like like they're hungry. They're thirsty there. They don't have any like resources. Yeah, and he's yet to be back. So I don't know like so I guess my question is just like what is the whole uniting thing? Like what how are you going to How is he going to Encompass everyone together? So like I guess I'm like searching for this. Yeah connection points. Do you think that that's impossible because because in order to Encompass everybody together, like have them get along the all believe one thing then that would call for a lot of cultures to be displaced, you know, and forgotten realistically a lot of like a lot of things that people have been ingrained with for like years upon years. Ears. They're just go never mind. You know, like I feel like For All Mankind you think about the population on the earth the all believe one thing right which is totally impossible and definitely not going to have like ever Utopia, you know, probably not gonna happen. But like that's the realistic side of it, but the unrealistic side is that the show it's a show and I think that they're trying to get a point across that maybe one day if you just put a little bit aside compromise a little bit. Maybe we can all go. Come together. I don't know like when we'll see after so do you know the end of the the season so we'll see how that comes together by guys. We just got real deep real. I liked it. I know I liked it. Let us know your thoughts in the comments because we like to keep this conversation going and I think it would be really cool to hear what you guys all think jumping back really quick to Felix. Who's church is now extremely popular right extremely popular feels called to come and pick him up after the trial. I don't think Felix thinks that Alma PSI is necessarily the Messiah. I don't think so. No, I don't think he's sold on it. I think he thinks he's from God because when they came in the reporter asked him, why did you come here? He didn't say because I think I believe that he is the Son of God. He didn't say that. He said I believe he was sent from God. I have my being too picky so I don't He's coming. I don't think he's completely sold out. I think okay. This is my think. He literally left his wife who was like crying, right? Yeah. Do not go do not go and he was like, I have to like this is what I need to go do to go pick up the man from trial like he just felt like he had to be there and then ended up, you know, he obviously didn't I was gonna go he got let go he was the first one to be like take me like to take him away get in the car. I'll break you somewhere. So I feel like he is really so like I don't know. I feel like if you're not a hundred percent Soldier not going to be doing the extra mile and he was doing the extras. Yeah, but he was like walking in faith, you know, like he was like, I feel the need to go do this and if he's a he's a reverend so I feel like his entire life is based off of like I have this feeling to go do this. I feel called to do this. I'm going to do it because I'm so that's me stepping out in faith. Yeah, absolutely, but he's human still in the end. Well, Can be easily cold that hey. Hey. Hey. All right. Wow, we're just time just like flew by as we're saying about into our special segment. Yes k w Wy d Here's the setting. Okay. This man on the news has been said to heal has been preaching good news and has been impacting the masses his following has grown to a tremendous amount and he is said to be the second coming your friends and family are sold on the idea and plan on dropping what is currently going on in their lives. Jobs bills appointments everything to go see this man in hopes of getting answers in hopes of seeing miracles. They want you to follow them. What would you do? Man, oh man. Well see this is the thing if I didn't have the job that I currently had now, I'd be ready to go to follow you and this man. Okay, but now that I got this job. Listen, I'm we got to be thinking about the future. Okay? Yeah. Yeah, I mean In hopes that you know, he really is the Messiah. I mean we would be living in Utopia and I wouldn't have to worry about bills are going to work and then that would be amazing you could live in Paradise. But if he isn't and he fooled us now now I got to start all over. Oh no. No. No, I think I'ma let them go and call me if some crazy happened. Yeah, I'm with that. Yeah, call me if something good happens. I'm not gonna die. I'll be right behind you after you tell me some happy. Yeah, like I love you. You're my family. Like right he put you up in the paradise already know that bad. Okay. All right. That's a good one. That's good. Okay news and gossip. Here we go news and gossip we have from Cinema Blend released yesterday. Messiah is at the risk of being banned in Jordan. After its Royal film commission requested Netflix not to release it in the country the request which was shared ahead of Messiahs release in Jordan read that the RFC had requested that Netflix refrain from showing the series in Jordan and Netflix representative responded and stated that the company had yet to receive any formal legal request to remove Messiah from the country's version of Netflix and Netflix rep added. This Messiah is a work of fiction. It is not based on any one character figure or religion all Those feature ratings and information to help members make their own decisions about what's right for them and their families. So the situation is interesting considering portions of Messiah were actually filmed in Jordan and the Royal film commission supported the filming of the project initially and deadline reported that authorities authorities had viewed synopsis of the episode before awarding a tax credit and allowing the project to shoot in the area. But now it seems that the RFC was initially on board with Messiah but has since It's changed its tune. Mmm. So even though they were on board for them to shoot in Jordan. Now, they're saying actually you we don't want it shown here. It's been it's done. I think that's so wild is very very interesting. Yeah. I mean, I I mean, I think they're just because you're getting bad reviews and backlash that now you're kind of changing your mind. I feel like if you got the synopsis, then you had to know it was about my thing is like you knew it was going to be controversial. This is my problem. There's Like in a show, it's not like it just gets pitched and then like next day. They're filming with it literally goes through such a rigorous thing to even get approved. Right? Do we like it? We want to pick up the show to me want to do it. Then? There's so many production dollars that go into the specific enough books film. This is so like detailed and very well produce. So it's this was like millions of dollars they invested in so like how do you you're going to spend money to dogs on something like you're not, you know a hundred percent about like, come on like so many people have sought like saw this already. D. So if they I don't know I think it's Shady it but see that's the problem too because it's like it kind of goes both ways. There's so many things that kind of do get green-lighted and then there is a cultural problem. So it's like I do understand that that point of view to but don't say yeah, I'm so into it and then be like no backside back out because you're hearing that all of a sudden the people in your country hate it right right, like actually I don't want anything to do with this. I gotta go. I wasn't here somebody's getting fired. It sucks. Yeah, so that's our news and gossip for today, but we actually have to wrap it up. We spent so much time talking about deep things here you guys it was a really good episode. So before we leave ebony where can we stock you on Instagram at ebony Chapman 12 and then on Twitter at ebony Chapman nice and I of course Tatiana maresa at Tatiana maresa on all social media platforms so you can find me anywhere. All right, you guys that is it we will catch you for the next episode until then. Then by our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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It is confirmed that Eva's husband is dead and she has suffered her fourth miscarriage. This does not hinder her pursuit of Al-Masih and she whisks her way off to Texas to be at the trial. She has the opportunity to question Al-Mesih before he is represented and is able to call him out. A conversation occurs and after the encounter Eva is freaked out because Al-Masih reveals untold stories that only she would know. After a two day trial, Al-Mesih is granted asylum in Texas by a judge who is battling brain cancer. Felix's church is no longer suffering. He is now considered a landmark as this is where the 'miracle man' has been. He takes it upon himself to escort Al-Mesih back to his church after the trial is over. Aviram is fired from his job at the Shin Bet after deleting his interrogation tape of him and Al-Mesih. He goes off the deep end and disappears. Jibril is lost in the desert. 