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What's up everybody? How's the family doing today? Yeah, that's not what happened. He thought though it would have been nice if I would have been nice. It would have been a it would have been a fun. I don't know actually, I don't know. What would have been nice to be honest. I'm feeling More Lucifer. I know me too. Me too, but hopefully hashtag save Lucifer again. Maybe we'll get there. Do we do we need hashtag save Lucifer yet or I mean, it doesn't hurt right? Well, we don't have a season five at this point. So I don't know if saves the right word, but like renew Netflix hear our prayers Netflix. We have to we have to pray to the gods of Netflix is that when it is played I think the gods of Netflix is Satan now, so I think we have to pray to Satan to get Lucifer renewed. Oh, yeah, you know fetch me a goat. Where do we go to fetch the go there we got to fetch the goat put your G pants on and fetch the goat. Let's stop beefing get to this Monday. You guys don't remember that. No one else was so good. Okay. If you don't know this panel is you haven't been watching us all the way to my left Steven Lim use in the building and I'm just like flapping for this episode. What did we say? What did we say Steven? Please? Tell him let us investigate. You're not allowed to use your razor. The roof Wings anymore your what kind of wings can I use the kind that flap? Oh, no, he can't use any of them be himself. Let him be himself. Let him be himself. And of course the queen of the Wings is in the building Roxy stryer fly queen fly. That's how it is. You are a fly just needed one Langer. I've killed her. I'll say fly Queen and of course the bathrobe heartthrob. I am Tehran I am in the building hosting this panel as we talk all things Lucifer season 4 episode 10 the season finale who's the new king of Hell who's done new king of hell? Yeah, which okay, Going to get into exactly how that plays out. We will be breaking down this episode the case, even though the case was very arbitrary and what the case really means to the storyline abdicate and Ramos and squeaky. We got these these demons incarnate in these bodies. Let's talk about him Charlie Linden amenadiel. Wow. That was a scene Charlie again Eva Eve comes clean Yves Epiphany. Should we just tell Dan and Ella the truth at this point? How could they not know elephants? As again the Mayan which by the way is a real Los Angeles location downtown if you guys ever want to check it out. Don't let me know because I've never been there Lucifer Goes to Hell news and gossip special segment circles of hell wrapping up our thoughts and predictions as we have concluded this. It's actually a little bit sad much much more. Let's start with overall thought Steven Lemieux. What did you think about this episode not my favorite episode like surprisingly like I well Stephen I was looking so much for it and I still thought it was a strong finale, but I was like Aah woof I'm blown away that that was what you took because I thought this episode was fire. Wow, all the puns intended. I mean, we got a so many Roxy predictions came true. So let's just be clear. I'm always right fire. Got it. Got it like yeah like that like Hellfire ya gotta be yourself be right and then also I just I just feel like the way that we ended made me know we're going to see more of this show. They've got such big plans. I'm excited for another season because we're going to hell spoiler alert. We're going to hell. Well interesting. I am torn between the two of you because happen also was not impressed with the season finale. It felt like a good mid-season finale, but there was no season finale Miss to this. Here's here's the issue and I let me see if you With me to run because we're both going to disagree with Roxy shocked. That's you. I I didn't think there were big enough moments for the characters we care about that would need for a season family. The only big one we get is Lucifer when he has to go back to hell but we've kind of been expecting that for six episodes an appropriate question. Are you on crack? Because what be the biggest moment I've ever seen Chloe almost gets eaten by demons lose. Surfer almost eats somebody he is able to be the devil then have his angel wings everything going on with Ella. She's putting back on her necklace. That's massive. Amazing. Amazing Eve. Are you for real? Honestly Roxy, none of the things that happened in this episode led to that in those ways when you break them down in a quick like a quick like breakdown of what happened. Yes, it sounds great, but it was an hour episode and I'll tell Where the shortcomings were? Oh my God tell you where the shortcomings were help me, but I don't have to agree with you. I know this this is how to do but the shortcomings were this first of all when it comes to Lucifer even something as much as like Linda missing Charlie, I didn't feel like the scene was emotional enough if my baby's missing and and something happens. I'm going crazy. Second of all you mentioned Chloe. Chloe actually pissed me off this entire episode stay in the car. Do you understand stay in the car? You understand that you make Lucifer vulnerable. The one thing he has was his invulnerability and you keep coming around. I'm sorry Chloe. Listen this at this point. This isn't a cop. This is we're talking angels and demons human but true to her character. Sure. Chloe has done this from day one. She can't stay away from him, even though in her mind. She knows it makes them safer. She feels helpless and she has to go in there and make sure everything's okay because she knows even if it makes him vulnerable. Double at least she can do something about I would have loved to have Chloe went in there and Lucifer died as a result and taught Chloe of freaking lesson, then while that lesson the lesson is stay in the freaking car. This is in life. I don't think it's not always when it comes when that when Satan says, hey Chloe, I need you to stay in the car for this one. It's not a very applicable life lesson. I don't think she's ever going to be able to use that for anybody else if he dies. Yeah, I don't think it has to be anyone else when it comes to Chloe. I think this is a big one. That's how blessed. When he turns on his Satan you need a listen not his Lucifer not his Lucifer like oh, I don't know what's going on. He didn't steal his Satan and so did all them demons then all listen, it's not it's not so much any of that that I had the issue with I just felt like the stakes were low, which is really weird because we haven't really gotten to know this child. I get that they took they took Charlie right? But like it was like that whole thing like we're going to do Charlie up. No, we're not we're gonna do it. No, we're not and I'm like stop making suspense with this child. Like I want I want the characters that we've built and grown with for so long to have some kind of stakes like maybe the demons are about to kill Amy or Ella or maybe the demons are something's going on with Dan or like something outside of just this small circle of the mind helping with this how quick it was. I do want to give a special shout-out to the music selection in the show scoring team who do not get enough credit because they are the real Winners, they added such suspense. They've been picking good songs though entire season and I don't know if they're getting enough credit for what they do. But especially in this episode. I noticed that without this music this would have been not such a great episode at all. All that being said, I love the episode. Okay, let's get let's get into our breakdown. Let's talk about these things. I cannot wait right now. I am coming out guns a-blazing right? I hope so. I hope so. I hope you saw the case, which is a little bit of arbitrary, but does Into it, we get the first victim holiday. Maybe that's what set the tone for me not liking this episode as much when holiday was just like that's right. We're going to get this Monday. Yeah, that was just like okay did we not just have two episodes where we were like, oh we were going to be a little woke and then this but this is a this is a personality trait. I didn't have any problems with this at all. Of course you did. This is literally like the Instagram little like buttons across my favorite everything. I thought it was great and I wasn't expecting him to get stabbed right when you open the door. I thought I was going to be like a different kind of death, but no just God. I was like, oh damn all I was thinking about which makes you How long we've been out here in La for is all this actor can't use this in Israel. It looks like he's just shooting this on his iPhone and also he's not gonna want to be cast in this role again like this role. It's all I could think about this is not good for his really the opening to Israel. I don't think so holiday and monopolize were my least favorite character. I like monopolize way better than holiday cannot get on board. Yeah Dan's break beatboxing. Yeah. That was a highlight. That was dope. Beatboxing with Ella actually brought me back to danella. Yeah. I was like they need to be back together. He was lowkey amazing. Right? I think it really was that was fire and I'll tell you why I think it was because he could not wrap on beat and that's what I made. He was really good and then I also liked the friend of what's his name monetize monopolize the friend who's like yo tell him the super snitch. Look all these things LMAO be easy on my friends actually his name might have been be easy. That's G easy little cousin. Here's the concept. I was just I did not like those characters at all. I'm so sorry. I really ship those characters. Oh, I cannot ship. I cannot here. We have such a wonderful play on so many things we come off to woke episodes back-to-back one about being mixed one about being walking while black basically and then we insert this we insert holiday and monopolize. I agree that they were not the most creative characters, you know, this is not us pushing any kind of boundaries, but I do think that this was just a fun way to show people that are so different than our characters people that are so different than Chloe and amenadiel and Lucifer and Linda that are just out there like the fact that Chloe had no idea who these People were and Ella and damn were obsessed with on that's funny. I don't I'm surprised that your you have an issue with it Tehran because literally like I feel like people who don't live in Los Angeles would be like people aren't like that but we live here and we know at least five of those people who are just like that. I think his issue was because of their race is that correct has to do with specifically you chose. This isn't a show that's been littered with black characters. I'm so sorry. So when you do have a black character in you're coming off a Caleb I do not want to see They in monopolized to get right back on that we went from woke to broke within one episode. I mean I had money though. Did they it's why amenadiel talked about or dbe's talked about why it was it's so important because he's the only black series regular so you're right. There's not that many not at all. And so I totally get what you're saying. I thought for this specific story line it worked, but it is kind of a bummer. It's coming off of episode 8 Holiday, that's all I'm going to let you know I'm gonna let that simmer really quick not getting my new nickname. That could be your is a queen of Halle Berry and however, if that same character was a black female character, I wouldn't have been as as tainted because it wouldn't have been as much of a singer what times as much as stereotype here. We would have had Holub a and she's like, I'm coming off beef with monopolize. Oh, no, I would have been a little more lenient. I would have been much more lenient had this been a white rapper who was doing the exact same things. These are Instagram rappers. I understand that now when you are a mocking the Tupac Biggie beef which is what they're doing understand that for a lot of people. This is very real be you're coming off the death of Nipsey Hussle when this episode's coming out so you should have been aware of that as well. I'm so sorry. This was just not it was tone-deaf when it comes to the culture. I totally feel you and it's not just that they were alluding to the big Epoch stuff. They said it out loud. They straight up said this is a serious beef. That biggest beef since Biggie and Tupac and and there are rappers who are actually in real beasts because you carry the street life into being famous and it does not change and they said that the reason that they're they have beef is because one killed another person's friend. It wasn't I almost wish that they had said like they have beef because something ludicrous like he took the last piece of pie during know whatever what I would have been much all those things would have been they it wasn't as many parallel as many real parallels, especially Going into you have MBA young boy just was in a shootout right before rolling out loud. Nipsey deaths hustle. You have real rap beefs. This was just a young young dolphin Yo Gotti young Dolph got shot up a hundred times and survived. I mean, this is just a little bit of tone deafness when it comes and and I would be very interested into looking into that writers room and seeing how many people of the culture or how many people of color are actually in that writing room today. I don't know the answer to that and it I'm glad you're talking about it because I would Necessarily been aware or cognizant of this while watching so I'm glad that you're sharing. Yeah, so that's that's why and maybe that set the tone but then I also separate from that there was a lot of stuff in the episode that just kind of wrapped up as if we have one last episode. Let's throw everything in there and one of those things with the abdication scene with Lucifer basically explaining how he's going to abdicate from the throne and then just giving the throne to dramas which can't happen because we learn that only an angel. I mean we already knew that but only an angel can sit on the throne of hell. Are these two guys. Do you are you familiar with them? Yes. Okay. I'm not familiar with them as characters are familiar with the fact that they are not from the comic book. So there's two separate incantations of the Lucifer Comics 2006 where we get the 75 episode 75 issues of comics and then again in 2011 where we kind of get a different Lucifer this is taking more from that 2006 with elements of 2011 and yet Timer drama since we mentioned in anywhere what you could have used some of these characters that exist. I mean, yeah, I thought that was an interesting choice. Also if anybody it squeeze the grossest name I've ever heard. There's something about that that we every time they said it. Oh, well everyone hates squeeze. So everyone wanted squeaky. I hate screen. I don't know squeak, but I thought that the they could have my one thing with the episode was I thought that these characters could have been a little stronger. However, I did love seeing the same valka. Fleurs father Kinley turn this way because his chops her for real man. Amazing. He wasn't the highlights by far. Yeah when he yelled stop talking. That was I was like, whoa, that was that was Heavy. I'm surprised it took 10 episodes for somebody to say that to Eve. Stop talking. I do not take orders from you. You are not our King and then he smacks her by the way, even get smacked twice on this episode. Also, I didn't really I did not like Rogers the only one who can say that. I also I have an I have an aversion to when men hit women. I've looked at that and I at least killed her at least be demonic and killer it really looking at him as a man. He's a demon. Yeah, he's a demon all men that hit women are okay. That's very very true. And I agree but I think that Eve and know I don't really mean she deserves to get hit but she definitely deserves something because yes, she is Sorry by the end, but the same thing as Lucifer you cannot forgive. Give yourself in one day and I think this is going to be a long road for her because she done messed up. Yeah, well Eve has a couple epiphanies and that was actually really nice highlight. But also I felt like it could have been done a little more dramatically. What did you think of Eve's epiphanies? I like that. She has the self-awareness to be like, yeah. I was kind of in my mind going after one goal, but not paying attention to the effects that I've been causing to the other things because I don't think originally her plan was to release it. In and everything the plan wasn't it was a grand gesture to give Lucifer father Kinley to end the prophecy and have him take to the prophecies fakes a lose for can be loved again. But I mean you can't blame her for stabbing him in the neck when she's being choked to death what you can blame her for is what happened after where she summons the demon but she's like so up in her feelings that she doesn't even realize what she's doing at the time but let's not forget that she unbuckles father can lie in order to do so, I like she kidnapped him. She set this. She's the Catalyst for all of this. So, yes, she stabbed him after being choked. However, seeing a little bit of Eve today. That was a little bit of the part of the plan Roxy. I'm slightly confused and was hoping you guys could clarify for me what she was talking about with the phone situation. I gave you that phone you have my phone. That's how I found it to keep in touch with me to keep tags. When and when and how and how long has she been in on this? I think like once she once she realized she killed Ken Lee and used him as the as the message to hell because I don't think when she was unbuckling him. He was originally Going to be the person she was going to have be the message. But after he attacked her he was I think he was trying to make her the messenger. Yeah, he was trying to make her The Messengers she turned in him in the messenger, but I think she knew who'd Ramos was when dromos came back from hell and was like, okay earn her mind. She's like, all right. Here's the plan. We're going to get Lucifer to go back to Hell blah blah blah. So they're on the same page until Lucifer abdicates and then drummers goes his own way. I agree. Yeah, so she gave me tell him about locks. She tells him where to find Lucifer what to say. We need him back and help to me and I Be dead off here, but it seemed like she had while Lucifer had been on Earth. She had been in hell like she had gone there either a looking for him or be looking for herself trying to find and had cultivated relationships with these people while they're and then had come to Earth from hell. I don't know. I think if we get a flashback we can that's a theory I oh I don't I'm not saying they the show said that it would be great. If it would give me a little more it would give me a little more meat to this episode if that was the case. I think the issue with this episode which sucks because I think the writers did such a great job doing what they had last time. They ended this show season three's finale was such a cliffhanger and such a moment that you needed more that. He had and this one in a way that they didn't want fans to be upset. If there wasn't another season. I think they were too careful because of that reason it was like a fear of failure, but I still think they're going to definitely get another season. Well, I didn't feel that way at all because there was enough for me to know that they are banking on another season that I love you moment with Chloe where he has to leave we can't assume that's going to be the last time they see each other with Eve walking off. She has to go find herself. What does that leave mais? Doing I've got tons of questions there with amenadiel and Linda who are about to raise this baby. There's so many there's a lot of things that cause like loose ends that need to be tied up but it also is a good ending point. I've recently seen a similar scene with the last episode of the gifted Stephen not gonna go there again you not let's not go off topic. All right, so draw mohsen squee, let's talk about saying it stopped squeeze. He left because know those I am sure there are men too. But a lot of women hate the word moist. Yeah, we heard that it's like I'm only human I don't mind the word moist something about squeak makes my insides crawl dramas little squeeze. It's like Pinky and the Brain not even because there is no there is no Pinkie or brain there because pink is supposed to be the smarter. You know, it's funny none with drama drama since Qui. They're not the brightest demons, but I thought their plan to Get new demons was brilliant you hole up with squeaky in the confessional and you just kill every person who comes the confessional in the church. That's actually the number one thing that I thought was interesting was how we were told to drama since we aren't that smart and yet they seemed actually very smart. They had a plan it was viable. It was a pretty decent plan. Actually. The only reason the person who came off a little slow was Eve when she was like of the Aztecs the Incans. I can't remember the Culture that I haven't said Mayans. Yeah Mayan the oh the Mayans you're right. And yeah, she did come off that way, but she's kind of come off that way for a lot of the show and I agree. They did seem rather smart. However, I think that the payoff in the end with them all having to bow down showed that they're just servants. Yeah their own so it doesn't matter what plans they have or what brain part of their brain. They're going to use that day when Lucifer speaks they listen and that makes you a sheep. I mean, I don't think it's over between lose friend Ramos Ramos. Obviously Lucifer headband being possession a couple years ago and here dramas comes away with possessing someone then challenges Lucifer basically in the club Lucifer turns devil eyes know when he brings up torturing people alive. I would have liked to see some tea up to drum. Oh since Qui or the other demons are have the feet the whoever that woman was. I think she's a stunt actress that they used as the default. Who had that terrible likes mark on her Lila Claiborne is the victim. Yeah, I think like I would have liked to see when Chloe was back in Rome researching like name drops for some of these demons or something like the devil's generals. That'll come to earth or something like that because I would have liked to like see them in their demon form on the litigious way as and then have them come out. So we have kind of A build-up for these characters right now. It's just there's so many demons and we only get drum mohsen squee. Yeah, but I think next season. As we should be yeah, but coming out of haze is however directly from the comic book. Maze has been set up Maze We had an affinity towards me as we had. I'm just him out. He's saying we only get four demons. We also have seen a different side of him in this episode. Like it just is like an introduction of two characters. We've never seen before and they're gone. I think we could have had bread crumbs and I don't think they're going to be gone. I'd love to see them come back in some way shape or form and have different actors playing the same character for sure Lucifer was going to eat him right literally consumed him. I didn't get that. I thought he was just going to disgustingly murder. He said eat me or something. He said okay. Well, I'm the for Chloe walked in. I thought he was going to like ribs, like just start cannibalizing him which flipped me the F out Darrell and the chat says maze has her actual body, which is why she's different which is a great Point. That's true. That's true. She keeps saying. Yeah. Well, I don't think she couldn't possess people, but she's not Let's get to the concept of Charlie which by the way as much as you hate squeegee. I hate Charlie. I don't like that name Chinese baby. Charlie is a baby Charlie you bet the time and honestly, I'm the only one on the panel that can say this. I'm kind of questioning of Charlie is Linda's baby. I'm so sorry. They didn't add a hint of Windows and their I'm so sorry to tell you this but he said you can't say it. I understand and I appreciate that. We have not discussed this before those. However, when you're looking at that baby, there was no hint of being mixed at all, which is I listen. I'm not saying that babies can Come out a certain way, but that baby was Celestial is strong in the baby. Usually though you don't question who the mom as because it just came out of her vision you question your dad, but for sure I know what you're saying hundred percent and every time you looked at the baby it came up. I know that you guys seem to have or Tehran you said that you have an issue with it wasn't sad enough or that you Steve. Okay, I disagree. I thought this was the first time we got to the actress who plays Linda comes from Groundlings. She was either Main me or Sunday company forever. She's always been in so many comedies and then this role comes up, but we haven't seen her do anything like this to this point and I thought she was so brilliantly poised for her character. She still therapist. She still good at trying to talk herself down, you know, he's probably with amenadiel. It's gonna be okay, but it's also her child, so she's freaking the freaked out and I thought that that those two things Going inside her she did a brilliant job and I loved how they handle Charlie. Yeah, I think she was in shock. And I think she did a good way of portraying shock because when you have your child taken away for it's one thing to think in one way and I have all of the imagination come with that of like, okay a minute deals taking him to the Silver City. I'm never going to see my son Again by law that's entire line of thought and the no demons have them. Oh God. So it's an entire another line of thought that just hey wires your brain and she's just like can't function. All right, Rachael Harris is dr. The new referring to so Gregson. Violent actor I've been team Linda for a very long time. I feel like when Dad would have wanted to be there, you know, who would have got another Linda. Mom. Mom wants to protect baby. Mom should have been a little more active. She's like a day out of the hospital Tehran. Okay, but that was out of the hospital. Mom lifts a car to save her baby sure that has happened. That is an interesting point because when amenadiel is like no I won't take Charlie to the Silver City because I just saw what you're capable of and that means that our baby is safer here and I Seeing myself. What am I capable? What did what did Linda do exactly your to me? And that's that's my only point. I didn't falter for performance-wise. I thought it was great, but it was funny when amenadiel said that and I just thought all right. Just trying to make her feel better. Do you really think she did something she did not because that was all eve even though you've put this into that mess. You've got us out of the baby Maxwell. She finally put those heels to good use. That's for sure before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors and today Spotify. Phi is one of our sponsors on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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Honestly at this point. I'm sitting there thinking. If I'm his mom, I want what's best for him Silver City. I kind of think so I think so at least for a few years because I just saw look at the demons trying to they were trying to make him the devil the king of hell my baby. I know but the angels are going to do the exact same thing with them with Angel nests. Like that's okay with me but is it like you've met ramiel? She's so distant from Humanity. Linda hasn't Linda has a metric. Yeah, so she had that knowledge. I'm just saying if I mean Linda shoes I'm probably thinking the same thing she did which is like, you know take my baby. I can't I can't I think Mom's are always going to want to keep their going to be like, I'm the best thing for my baby. That's a natural instinct so I couldn't be on board with that. I just thought that Linda did nothing and was rewarded in every way and that's what I wanted Linda to be more. I'm coming to know Linda you have to stay here. Just two simple lines just her sense of urgency from her or liking or include her. At the Mayan and have her be a linchpin that changes things. The Mayan it is the mine. It's an actual place and the what goes down in the Mayan happens at the mine stays at the mine. Let's talk about that mind seeing that that all out demon fight. This is what made the entire episode gold for me. I loved this fight. I love what happens all the way until Lucifer tells them all go back and they all pass out everything that happens. You didn't like that part know I love okay my favorite parts of the episode because During these fight and and rooting for I guess you don't call Lucifer and Humanity but I feel like he's on his team are Earth. So he is now I just thought that was so well shot it moved my heartstrings. I'm pulled them moved them pulled them. Am I the only person who's thinking like what's gonna happen when LAPD gets that call? Like I hope the first scene of next season is like Dan and Ella and Chloe showing up on site for the mine with 50 bodies on the ground that are all drained of blood like there's like 50 to 60 people there that are all just dead now the cops are there. There there it's Chloe. Yeah, it's Chloe. And now how does she explain that? She's surrounded by 50 60 bodies cops are pretty good at covering things up. I'm not saying all of them do I'm just saying she's there and I think she's gonna be able to figure this out. I think they're going to use a cult. Excuse of some sort. This is one of those situations where everyone drank the Kool-Aid. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. It's a because the whole concept of the mine and they all killed them is a place of since adenosine and a place of worship, which is actually a take which I really liked on a lot of the churches. Church home and all the other churches that use theaters and actually advocate for young people to go to church but then the very next night, you know, it's a concert Iggy Azalea's in concert at the same place and I actually like she's not in concert anywhere so that the concept is that it's a church and a place of sand. Yeah. It was a it was a cool play on words for ya and they used it and they use the Mayan which is an actual location. That was really well. It's also Grant I've never Ever been there. However, this made me want to go there. Let's go. I thought about it my head like was this the best promotion for this place? Probably that and I also think that just using the Mayan as the imagery basically Mayan sacrifices and things like that sending people to the gods and sacrificing to the gods. I thought it was a really cool dynamic they used for imagery with what they were doing. It was it was good for me. I liked it. I liked it a lot more than I like the should we just tell Dan and Ella the truth scene. See, I thought you would really enjoy that because you wanted Ella to find her faith on her own and she did and you wanted them not to reveal themselves and they didn't you just didn't like the verbiage of it. I did not like the way it was done and I'll explain especially with the Ella's fate thing. I liked how she said I felt alone. I just thought it could have been a lot more powerful. They should have stayed on that for just the extra second because that was a very powerful thing and then at the end she puts the necklace on I would have liked her to put the necklace on right. After Dan leaves the just little things I just feel like it would have played better. It's like listening to an album and being like this song should have went here in this song should have went there. So you didn't hate it. You just would have rearranged exactly I would have just rearranged it and made it a little more powerful. Would you think? Yeah, I mean, I thought it was a fun scene. Like I didn't think too much into it. I was like, okay cool. I'm glad Chloe brought up that it took her a long time to get over this first face. It'd be really weird to be like, hey guys, by the way Angels demons get with it because we have to go save this baby. That's not looking mixed but is Know if we get a season 5 do we tell Dan Ella? Yes, yes, but I've been saying that this season to Steven. I don't think we tell Ella I think Alice got to be the character that stays out of it, but I think Dan has to find out at some point. But again, I don't want it to be as black or white as as like Satan and God. I think it needs to be like his investigation reveals. Just how amenadiel has wings and brings them out from time to time. I think Dan has to start putting pieces together and have it be an investigation that last like three or four episodes that Brings to it to that point for a reveal. Well, I wonder what all of you at home. Think should we tell Dan and Ella we love hearing your comments below. Please let us know below and of course as always you are as much if not more. So a part of this panel than all of us. You are very much a part of the AfterBuzz family and because of that we asked you to do one little thing which is share comment and subscribe spread the word get more people to join the discussion. We talked about all of the same TV shows that you like to talk about and we talk about them with you and if you're listening to us on iTunes, please give us that five star rating we so Greatly deserve as always. We thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk. I love that also show Runners listen to our show and Steve and I know your friend lose for sure on it, but I think it's great because we're talking about the next season. Maybe if you guys leave your comments below they look at it. They incorporate some of your ideas more nudity. We want more and more nights more but I did what I did wonder why every time Lucifer changes into Satan. With the Satan Wings, his pants state gets the heart syndrome the Hulk's of the hook syndrome. Keep those pants. It's really hard. It's Evie. It's a huge budget to animate a CGI phallus it is. Yeah actually some examples as we saw in Watchmen that was like the $10,000,000 penis for some reason when it comes to Lucifer and that last scene where he tells everyone to go back to hell. That was one then we get another one where Chloe and Lucifer basically admit to their love for one another and then loose. It goes back to hell. Yeah, it was heartbreaking. Boom. Boom. Boom back-to-back loved This Love This thank goodness. They said I love you. We you were right here on I jumped on this board that it was her. She was the first love not Eve and I thought that was beautiful. Do you guys feel like Trixie was kind of left out a lot this season. Yes. Yeah. I like I think we're going to get her more next season because I think Khloe's going to be reeling from Lucifer's absence. And now that she's finally admitted it because she's been struggling with it for so long. Wrong, I think this is going to affect your more than seeing his true face. It's interesting. There is a character in The Lucifer Comics. Whose name. I forget right now who's a child who has basically a little bit of powers and I was hoping Trixie would become that person or something because Trixie was in and out and we never really get to see her as much and she was people be something they're not tear on. Haven't you learned this from this season season? She was the humanity of the Season. What do you think's going to happen now that Lucifer's back inhale. I feel like that's predictions, right? Yeah, but we did your AfterBuzz TV predictions. Go ahead. I mean you said this off I didn't mean to okay. I think that that probably either Eve or Chloe's going to have to go find them gotta go get them. So someone's got to get Lucifer bringing back. Yeah. I honestly don't know where the shows going to take this. I think they left it open for a lot of creativity and they have probably The different ideas and the one they choose is probably gonna be the best of the 50. I think that something is going to happen regardless of Lucifer being in hell. That sends demons to Earth. I don't think he's gonna I don't think his returning actually does what he thinks it does. I think the prophecy has already been fulfilled and next season will be him returning to Earth to fight against it and I would have really liked to have seen Lucifer Satan it up while he was in hell. I would have liked that imagery. It was I like them. It looks boring - it did look and he looked around. Round as if it was boring he looked around like what am I doing here? I'd love to get like a the All Around Me are familiar and you'd like a montage of him walking through this like different areas of hell with people getting tortured in the background. I think that'd be great. Well, hopefully we'll get some of that. Let's find out what we're going to get in news and gossip. Okay, here we go. Oh quick honorable mention him walking into the office. Sorry, but him walking the office the entire dance number with all the cops now around and stuff out there. The musical episode so in our news and gossip this week we are talking about if we were to get a season five a lot of people are pitching across over with John Constantine the Prince of Darkness. Obviously, we know Constantine from his own TV show now, he's on Legends of tomorrow and if Lucifer is going to hell CBR.com did a whole pitch for how John Constantine could save him and bring him back. It's really interesting. So go check it out CBR.com because I love John Constantine and he was another one. #save Constantine. So, you know, well, that would be very cool. If we get constant, it would be very cool. If we get Jason blood and Aragon because they play a big part in lose for his comic book so that demon I mean there's a lot of ways they can go Lucifer was its own world and crossover a lot. So anything can happen. Let's play our special segment game. All right circles of hell squeeze probably in one of these circles of hell guys were in the ninth circle of hell, which Treachery which we can apply to a lot of things especially with drobo's Guillermo's and squeegee this episode, but there's something really interesting about this circle of hell and us then ending the finale on it is that there's four rounds of the ninth circle of hell and the worst of the worst are in these and round one is famous for having cane in the first circle of hell, so it'd be the the ninth circle of hell. So it's really interesting that Lucifer is now back in hell and Kane would be there to after being killed round two is Aunt Nora for antenor of Troy but then skip the next one because the third ones Ptolemy but around for Judas so Judas is in the deepest circle of hell for what he did and I would think it'd be interesting to now Lucifer always teases like who is you'd be surprised who's in hell. What if it's the people were not surprised by that were introduced to next season? It'd be really interesting to see kind of a community grow and how that can kind of go to Earth and be the A-Team for Lucifer that goes to Earth to fight the demons. I don't know. But with treachery we're going to apply this to the demons. We can apply this to Eve. We can apply this to Lucifer betraying his people and basically abdicating the throne based and basically the fact that he told them he was going on vacation, but he never intended to go back that's betraying everyone who's in hell. And now that they know that's the reason he has to go back is because his lie, which he never lies, but they discovered that his lie, and they needed to well eyes are about tension Maybe started off. A vacation and ended up abdication finding friends die. Chloe Goodwin. Yeah, that's how it works. But we have a lot of things that we've discussed throughout this season 4 of episodes and this finale was phenomenal. We can't wait for season five to answer some of our questions. But until then where can people find you if you want to be found save it from you. You can find me with my angel wings on Twitter at Steven Lim you I'm everywhere at Roxy stryer. And of course, I am Toronto and literally I am Toronto all across the board. Find me also-- host Paneling on a slew of AfterBuzz after shows us we talk all things about your favorite TV programs because they are mine too until next time this panel. We love you guys. See you in hell from executive producers Maria Menounos, Keven undergaro fils VTech and the entire AfterBuzz TV staff. We would like to thank you for listening to the AfterBuzz TV Network to watch or listen to other after shows and post comments or questions. 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As we draw to a close of season 4, Chloe finally admits her love for Lucifer and Vice Versa, unfortunately now that Dromos and Squee and ALL the demons are aware of Lucifer's intent to leave Hell forever, he must return to ensure that the prophecy does not come to fruition... but will that actually work?! Tons of great moments tonight as Charlie's taken by demons, Amenadiel goes bad dad, Linda goes stress-crazy, and Ella finds her faith again. Don't forget Eve turning down Maze to 'Work on herself' and her self revelations, as well as Lucifer's BOW BEFORE ME moment! Join us to discuss this packed finale! Hosting today is Tehran Von Ghasri, Roxy Striar, and Stephen Lemieux! Lucifer is BACK! Cancelled but not for long! Thank god for netflix, and thank god for AfterBuzz TV, because WE'RE BACK TOO! Covering the latest episodes of Lucifer! Join us every episode for in depth discussion and breakdowns! There may even be some special guests so be sure to subscribe rate and comment! ABOUT LUCIFER: Lucifer is an American television series created by Tom Kapinos that is scheduled to premiere on Fox on January 25, 2016. It is a very loose adaptation of the comic book character created by Neil Gaiman for the comic book series The Sandman and its spin-off comic book series Lucifer written by Mike Carey, both published by DC Comics' Vertigo imprint. 