Before I continue one of the ways, we keep all of our content for you. The listener free of charge is our amazing sponsors, and today anchor is one of those sponsors. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchors going to distributor podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and everywhere podcasts are listened to and you can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor Dot f m-- to get started. What's up? Everybody has been Erickson for AfterBuzz TV for Powers season 6 episode 10 The mid-season finale. No one can stop me Courtney kept is in the building. Let's go. I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN app TV top now. No emotion. Yes many of you motion, right? I gotta make it this is where it goes down. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah. I just said no Tree song I but yeah, okay, so I'm bam Erickson. I would like to introduce the panel Jill Munroe. What's up everybody? I'm Robin Aires. It's a man Jim UV Kourtney Kim and Sheree. Executive producer the showrunner. She is Queen Courtney. She is in the building. Welcome corn again. Wow. Ow, ow, a friend and family member now to AfterBuzz TV. You've been with us. I think since season 2, you've come back on and supported us so much and I have to start by saying since I've known you you're actually extremely intelligent and I've gathered so much from you whether you know it or not you've shown myself in so many other people what it's like to be a boss lady and and I just love the way that you are and most importantly let me just say this the way you get Opportunities to other women in other people is I literally I can kiss your forehead to do that at the end of the show. So I just want to say thank you for doing that and just being an incredible example, I mean off bat I find out you're from Connecticut. I'm from Boston myself, right? So to learn somebody from the New England space as came to the West Coast. Oh, yeah and held it down as fast as I could and and continue to hold hold the Downs is just you can just set in a phenomenal example. So thank you. Well, thank you guys very much. It is super important to me to continue to create opportunities for women people of color LGBT community because when I got out here so often I was the only black person or the only woman and I sometimes I was too far, you know what I mean? And I found that a lot of writing spaces were, you know homophobic or were Star people didn't think they were being racist. They would say things in front of me and they'll be like, why are you mad I'm like are you kidding? Did you hear what you just said? So it's super important. And I mean, I guess I was raised by very, you know, a certain kind of black parent. So it's Each one teach one to whom much is given, you know, all those things like the responsibility for the community lift every voice and sing kind of situation. So I oh yeah, I'm the only one. Yeah. So for me personally, I You are a mentor to me in my head. Oh, I'm also your interviews. I study your Technique and I am just thankful that I can learn from someone like you who's also a tourist. So absolutely we are so much better than everyone else. Why don't we did because it's just the truth. Yeah, so I see you stand up. Those are always standing up and for me corny, I would just like to say on behalf. Of myself and every other person that has been on the panel who's had the opportunity to meet and chat with you. We thank you so much for coming on to the show. We're so proud of everything that you have been able to accomplish with this show and your story of how of how being fired with the Bernie Mac situation and how it gave you the opportunity to do what you're doing. We're so proud of you and we just wanted to acknowledge and we wanted to say thank you to you now. Because this has been a great this has been a great journey for us so we can only imagine how you feel. And so we wanted to present you with something. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I love this. I love it. You know, it's funny. These are like the Omega Psi Phi colors, aren't they? Purple, my dad was accused reminds me of my dad. That's really cool. Thank you guys so much exactly. I'm going to move these away from the mic. Okay? Yes. Okay. So let's do it. Let's do it. So the first question quite new so let me just give you the breakdown of the show. So what we're going to do is we're going to break down the show based off the suspect. So we'll talk a little bit about go seeing dead. People will talk about and with his uncle and we'll get that back story and then we'll go to all the different. Different suspects, but before we go into that so it obviously you watch the episode goes to shot. It said the hashtag is who shot ghosts not who killed goes so quickly, you know, I've asked this question. It's goes dead. No, seriously. Did you guys might ask me if Angela was dead? I like why would I answer that is the question. But yeah, but what I would say is goes got shot. You can see anything you see. Die no, so there we go. There we go. Okay. Well hmm so ours and that's that on that. Yeah. So let's go into ghost and his uncle nothing Dave game. One thing. Did you guys notice that he got shot in the exact same place? But Angela got shot. All right. Anyway, go ahead Glynn Turman in the house y'all he was so amazing so iconic, so it's revealed so that That that's his uncle and it was revealed a little bit in regards to his dad dying. So I remember some years ago. I wrote you this long drawn-out emailed about my theory goes dying and Tommy's mom had got with him while she was maybe like a stripper something in the club and that possibly so anyway, I was wrong. I told you that at the time to I was like, yeah, it's cool bam. No and he's stuck. I did not know that yeah, so, can you just explain exactly what happened? Because it's revealed that after ghost his dad dies. He then goes and stays with mrs. Egan. Mrs. Egan said earlier on that. You know, she basically raised the black Sun. So can you just give a little what's okay goes back story totally. So ghost had a mom and a dad who she was a nurse and his father ran a jazz club, which is the club that you walk into and he ran it with Uncle. Gabe Uncle ke was not an actual blood Uncle it's who you know, we all have those so and then the mom the Dad starts drinking which is where ghost gets that the alcohol and drinking problem and mom left and so he was being raised by his dad alone at that time. So then we've got as ghosts started to kind of hang out with the drug folk and what we couldn't push was that uncle gave knew the name Canaan. I think that would have been pushing it too far. But like the older boy who was recruiting he and Tommy into the drug game. You guys know who that was. That was good. Right? So there's a little bit intimated there that whoever came and was running with didn't want ghosts actual dad pulling him back out of the life. And so when the actual when ghosts father was whose name is Curtis, I don't you guys noticed that but his name is Curtis goes to either. Yes. Oh Curtis called the cops. Soooo on these drug kids one too many times and they killed him. Okay, and once he was dead ghost went to live with Tommy and his mom, who is Ms. Egan not missing. It's because she wasn't anybody's wife. Yeah. Sorry about it. Hey, that's not how it worked out. Okay in a way. I thought that Uncle gay was I making it as if he was a snitch in some sort of way or that's how I had read a ghost father neighborhood. He wasn't Is it a snitch if you if you it was your neighborhood and there are kids on the corner and by your Club, you know selling drugs. They're pulling your kid. Are you being a stitch or you just calling the cops and saying get rid of these? You know you've so yeah. Okay. So now before we go to Sussex that's makes so we see ghosts having conversations with dead people. So the first one was Angela what you guys think about that. Well, you know, that's not the first time we've seen him, you know have these conversations. I mean, I think really what all of that is is just I mean, we know that that's his subconscious like talking to himself, you know, and what that person would have said so I mean, I think it it fits, you know, I mean, I like it it's done. I was there for Raina and Canaan reading ghost. He deserved it. I needed to hear some kind of what I would can I just say the way it's intended is that yes, they're not actually saying What they would have said they're saying what ghost ghost is kind of throwing his voice through them. Yeah. Yeah, it's really him. So that's why Angela says all the things he would want her to say. Yeah, and Ramos has kind of the things he would imagine she would so she kind of almost let him off the hook and then doesn't yeah and then Kanan who is like the darkest angel of all really comes in reads him and go stands up to him. He says I'm not even packing right now. Like I'm that person is totally gone. Yeah. And you know and I think ghost was always kind of protecting James st. Patrick. But once he really let go of ghosts there was no one there to protect him. Mmm levels. We have a lot of people in a chat room. So we want to make sure that you guys like this video with our special guest Courtney Camp. Okay. So any other questions regarding any of the Rana Kanan anything now, sir step back with the whole idea of having them re-emerge as a subconscious come from well, You know the show is always been based on various different kinds of Shakespeare, you know, but it's a this season was a lot of Richard the third which is, you know, if you guys have read Richard the third was your third murders a lot of people to become king like he is just killing straight everybody for a while and then when he has a kind of a moment of reflection, they come back as ghosts and there's a particularly poignant one where the two young kids come and they say like, why did you kill us? You know, we're innocent. And I just love that story because I love the idea that you can go through life kind of like pillaging and doing whatever you want to do. But there's one part of you that knows it's wrong. Yeah, and I liked the idea of ghosts going through an episode and sing everything. He wanted to say to everyone because he's so close to getting everything that he wants and then to have that kind of be balanced by an internal dialogue that isn't totally about that because Even Angela saying lie lie to Ramona don't tell her who you really are. You know what I mean? So it's not she's not reading him. It comes across in this beautiful romantic way, but she's kind of saying like you got to step away from who you were. Yeah, and so he does but it's to his detriment. Okay, and so suspect number one Tommy. So Tommy and ghost meets on this this rooftop and there's this conversation that happens before the shoot out. So the probably the most rememberable thing about that scene is when ghosts talks about how you know, you need me you need me even when I'm gone. You know, you still like you need me. What did you guys think about that girls was very confident. This episode is not me. Yeah, and that was the tone. Yeah, and not only did he say you can't stop me but he steps to everybody and was like, let me tell you what's wrong with you. That I've seen ghosts be it's beyond I don't know if the word is too much dip on this chip my something up to some people thought of it as it was uncharacteristic of him because he never shows his cards. But when you are at the end where you just don't give a f--- anymore, you're just going to he's like an old person like when old people when a person gets old. They just say whatever is on their mind and they're just going to let you know how they feel because he obviously has been like bottled up inside. That's good question. Yes, I was going to say ghost is always reading people. It's just not all at once. So those people who are saying this is an actress give him remember he was on the phone with Tommy and episode. I think it was the end of episode 3 and he said, you know, I don't want to be a drug dealer but I've always been better than you. Yeah, but that's a reach straight up to his face. Like how many different ways as he told people they weren't good enough or they couldn't do something or I mean, he's actually really kind of always in everybody's face. Yeah. I like it was a return to his Sort of, you know Swagger just confidence just in your face from the earlier episodes were sort of I guess he's moving away from the tragedies. Maybe your he thinks well the problem that I had with it was just the fact that like, let's take a ghost and Tate. For instance, you know, when tape was just about to like give him some information. It was like he turned all the way up where we're going to go to him in just a second. But let's let's let's just finish with Tommy. So did you guys let me make let me just But that's what I'm saying, like overall. Like that's the type of example that I'm saying like he that was yeah, I completely agree with very it was very James st. Patrick, you know, because we've differentiated, you know ghosts and who James's and Jamie and all of that it was very him but I'm saying that that was the issue that I had it was almost like no, like don't don't go too far. You know what I'm saying and different things like that. Okay. Yeah, Tommy for me like like like when he said this is not First time that he says this that he said this Itami, he's right as rain a my opinion. He's totally right being regarded as he called it in the way that the way that Tommy reacted when he says something like so, you know, he says some he said something like so that's it. I'm alone or something that you get everything he wanted and I get nothing. Yes. That's what he says and I get nothing. Yeah, and and and in this episode he really triggered a lot of emotions and when he said that, you know, Tommy T, you know, Tommy the way that he reacted was he almost had to take a back seat and not kill him because it struck a chord like, okay. Yes. You're right. Let's not forget to there also was the shootout which I've got questions to yes, I may or may not be answering those questions. So you floor. Yeah, we know. No, not the dude from the Prescott, Arizona. Hey, yeah, you know it was not so deep. But but what I liked is that we saw the build-up of Tommy, right? We saw him go into the it wasn't technically the inauguration was it was just the announcement saw him go there and that was literally him seeing ghosts coming to like everything like he's got it all you know what I'm saying? He's like, but I don't know if he's clapping out of sarcasm or these or it's a slow car. We get some background to why he feels that way. Yeah now speaking of the shootout. My first question is even him going to going to the shootout. We see that there's this black car that is following ghost when he's at the his before he goes to his his hotel and on his way to meet Tommy. I know you're going to not going to tell us but I'm as who's in who's in Cora what's watch the last five episodes. Okay. So then so then can we ask anything about who was that guy? You can ask me all sorts of questions. I'm not going to answer them. Okay, but what I will say to the fans is all the answers are coming. That's the thing is like my point in putting episode 10 together and not having all the answers. There is that there's five more episodes ago. We are only two thirds of the way through the entire season. So I think it's like people are like I want to know everything but episode 10 is a gateway drug. It's not like it's not the end. It's a midseason. And so and even the last five they give birth to the spin-off so it's like there's so much more coming. It's 50 always is like power never ends power is just going to keep going and going but this chapter is ending and the thing is again, it's like I have all these people who are like, oh man. I'm so mad. How could they shoot ghosts? But it's like how could ghost not get checked at some point? Yeah at some point didn't he have to like what it's not a fantasy show you what I mean, but at some point he has to be down, you know, he has to be something has to happen. Yeah his actions like like with Rayna Mirena said, you know everybody's got to pay for the action. She did so speaking of actions and now let's go to suspect number two Tasha. So open discussion on when they are at the gravesite and go says that he's done you can lease you. I release you you can it was not She was not for the divorce. Okay, but can't we at least her? But listen this is this is and I was like, it's me. This is a sensitive area and now I just feel like ghosts every new level of his life. He changes out a woman to fit whatever is there and it's fine that you want to move on or you have other aspirations, but stop treating her like she's the trash and you're tossing her to the side. I think that is kind of her point. But this evening, this is what my problem is and see I'm ready. Look at my pretty problem. T-shirt on so my problem. So my problem for for your for your comment is the only reason that I feel that tashi's Chef felt that way was because she wasn't able to to to to give the news to ghost. So she was a little hurt because he's finally moving on. This is what you want. You've been saying that your name is Tasha green. You want a divorce you want to move on? All right, so well if you want to move on. All right, cool we go. We go move on. Now. You got a problem with it. You know, you guys are missing the point though. It's an interesting it but I this is what I love is an artist because it's like you see how other people like they put their own life through the filter. She's selling drugs from the beginning of this show. What did he say? He didn't want to do any more. So it's like you're right Jill he is kind of coming out of pocket being like and this and I release you know that but the thing is he's going in a different direction. He said that to her from John the because she didn't Accept it and like I keep going back to that because it's like she wanted him to stay who he was I think and so he's not that and what'd he say it in the most cruel fashion? Because he's arrogant at this point because the thing that was keeping that arrogance was not having the qcp together not being able to honor rain it when he goes to that grave site. He has it in pocket. He did it. So she's right there at that precise moment. And again, you know in every scene that I write both people are right in the scene. So he turns around he sees a Reese's what? Doing here. She says I'm here every week. What are you doing here? I noticed that yeah well to flowers that were on the gravesites of like somebody's been there. So when she's there all the time she was the one who could mourn he could never worn because he couldn't face it. Yeah, and now you can face his daughter because he's done it but it's like it is it's complicated. Yes ghost is messed up. But the other side of that is that he's actually achieving his dream and here she comes scowling like you aren't going to be able to do that because why didn't they do a background check? Check your opening us all up to she's right. By the way. She says the year opening us all up to all this scrutiny will stop selling drugs, like stop being a criminal bitch. It's cute. I'm saying is I'm just saying like it's both things but he but he killed somebody out of necessity right killed somebody because that person wouldn't let him free. So let's move forward. So the next conversation that goes to and Tasha have is when To give commentary because you are here to set all this stuff straight because we all have questions. Go ahead. It's so moving forward in the next conversation that goes and Tasha have they are in the penthouse which now I have to be Petty now. The penthouse is super cleaned up in the shootout was probably what like two three days ago. Huh episode is about four days. Okay, and if it was destroyed, but now they noticed we didn't have the move back in. Yeah, like it's destroyed he moved out to the the the hotel and so we haven't been in there. So okay, you know, okay listen on our show people get from Red Hook Brooklyn to the Bronx in like two scenes. It's not real. I'm not going to argue with you about construction. Okay, I know but no contractor would show up that bad. Yeah Tasha falsely accuses him of of ghosts of pasta potentially. Writing Tariq out about the murder of Rage Raymond Jones and then ghost it triggers in his mind because you know ghosts always team tends to think, you know ahead. He thinks it's a good idea hitted you what I agreed with him. I don't think I think yes, absolutely. I think that is it hypocritical coming from Ghost, of course, but does Tariq need to own up some responsibility for the things that he's done every time I'm not going to do it again and he keeps Getting them deeper and deeper in so I agree with him, but I just think wrong messenger. That's all I I'm just I'm testifying Hallelujah in addition in addition to that in addition to that. The reason that that was actually a smart move because when ghosts becomes a politician, you know, he can wipe all their dirt away which is kind of what he was saying is what do you want to say and he can protect Tasha from I mean, we just still criminal and it is why I don't understand because you're making deals in the To still be Kremlin, but because technically although although you'll swear he's so selfish. She always thinks about the family. And so if he becomes if he runs for office and then he's able to he's able to but also thinking about the family in this instance is thinking about himself as a politician to it's gonna look a little crate. You said that's what man right there. Yeah. He's about to okay, so but but yes what just happened? And she said well that's what men do a lot of times when they have a family they think of they think of themselves and making sure that it all benefits the family and a lot of Tasha should ask permission from Ghost before she does a lot of things even though they're separated and things of that nature which is all garbage. But this is what I will say when you are head of household whether you're male or female sometimes you say Other people. Well, this is how it has to be because unfortunately I got to take care of everybody and I just find as like in my life sometimes I have to say to my daughter. Yeah, I can't do that with you because I have to go to New York because I have to have the like I'm the rising tide that lifts all boats. I got to be responsible. So there is a part of me that's writing about that with ghost ghost is going it's exactly what you said Joe. He's saying once I get elected maybe I can handle all this but the way it looks Right now I can't and the thing that Tariq cannot understand because he is a teenager and sometimes I get frustrated with the audience because they're like they hate on treat him like he's a teenager. He doesn't have higher functioning. Do you remember when you were 16? Yeah, you remember what you were doing? We're doing stupid stupid shit. Yeah first. Yeah, but so the point I'm trying to make is like Tariq cannot see that when ghost said, I'll take the weight. It was before this opportunity presented as that's what exactly that's what I was going to say the fact that goes Now making decisions based on where he is in his life because I believe at one point. We saw that I saw that he wanted to cover it for the family. He wanted to cover Tariq and Tasha is speaking from that place of not necessarily having changed yet. Like she's still in that position of wanting to you know, like protect her family and all of that. So I think it really is just based on where he is in his life. So it makes sense to me. Yeah, I agree what I have a question for you guys if to wreak turns himself in how do you think that will do you think it will help or hurt his campaign because I think it would hurt it, but I don't think Teresa turning himself in so I don't even think that's an option. I have a whole other we could talk about when predictions come because I don't want to talk about that part right now. This is going to Tariq. So Tarik when goes ask him to turn himself in to returns into the spoiled child of his last week or last week, you know, he was a few you're out you're gone to me and then so what do you guys think about that? I mean, although corny touch on it just a little bit. But what was your take on to reach? Reaction to go saying that he should turn himself in. So what I actually think and what a lot of people are talking about in social media land is the very important conversation that he had when he was talking to ghosts and ghost mentioned killing the gallery of breathe. So I think that was sort of a turning point because he said he killed Breeze because he got in the way of his future and I think that hit a nerve with Tariq. Do you guys agree with that? Yes, and the one last question. I asked him one more it goes that I ask Breeze one time before. Or you know had to do what I had to do. Yeah, and I I felt possibly I don't we'll get to that later but that to recast goes One Last Time right really want me to turn myself in in the club. Yes. Yeah. He did before things got crazy. Do you want me to respond? Yes. I have a lot of responses. The first thing is that and it's interesting because my brother and I talked about this a lot. When you are a parent, sometimes you tell like a little lot like there's a Santa Claus. Sometimes you tell a big lie, like, you know, oh, I'll be home by them. And you don't know I think ghost track record with Tariq is really bad in terms of lying right like Tariq has found out about a ton of lies that ghost has told him big ones like never telling him that he was a drug dealer all those things and then little ones and I think the issue for Tariq. Is that he can't trust ghost and it's like this is another time that he feels like ghost is lying to him. So then when ghost levels with him and says, yes, I committed a murder. This is the first time by the way that goes ever says to Tarik my committed a murder and then he says but I gave him another shot. It's like is which version is it? Like you guys are talking about did Tariq give him another chance with the when he asks him later, right? But there's a flip side here, which is As ghosts giving him one last shot to Tariq when he sang that it's go saying if you get in the way of my future, like I'm just saying like Tariq could hear that a different way. I'm just going to put that out there that like, it's like it's okay. We're watching this episode and ghost point of view. This is a whole all it goes point of view and this is what he means to say, but if you're a teenager, is that what you hear? I was unsure really how to read the the expression and to wreak when he was given him this Just at the close up. It was a mixture. Yeah, I didn't really know how to keep that interpret that deep thoughts processing everything actually now that you say that I'm thinking again add two weeks point of view when ghosts put the gun to his head and all of that and like, you know, I'm just literally going back thinking about what must he be thinking about is dad with all of these emotions that he has and just things that he's saying now like, wow that's in the last few episodes ghost pulled a gun on him robbed him. Yeah dope boys get trapped on the time nigger. Yes, ma'am said to him. Yeah, then he put hands on his mom. Yeah. Is this the dad he knew no not at all. So I'm just saying like freaked me have a perspective on this conversation about breathe. That's different. Remember the first time to wreak heard this story. Canaan is the one who told him the story. Uh-huh. So it's a little bit, you know work all those things in there's so many different Easter eggs in this episode for True fans of the show. If you're a real fan of this show. Yeah, you really got it and you got how it was being served to you. I think it's interesting like when I see people and their when I read social media a little bit and people are like, oh man, why did this happen? Like you should have seen that happening because I have done the same thing every single time of always warned you I've always warned people have always put in the show like that whole conversation with Canaan seasons ago between Kane and Tariq. It came back to this moment right now is that it always does so it's like you guys like the people have been really watching the show you should feel fed. Yeah, you know because you got what like all these little threads that we've been having all along Cooper Saxe Isle of Capri. Is that eastern district? Yeah something about that place. Is it possessed is it haunted everybody that comes through there becomes obsessive Jacob water was dropping. He had me cracking up the whole. Yes. He's yes, I like what Jacob was able to do because everything that they were bringing sue him. He was like no no next next next I like. He pretty much said the exact plot of what ghost has been doing the past six seasons. He pretty much said it and then Sachs was like yeah. Yeah, that's it. He's like no. No, so, I don't know. I just thought that was pretty clever. Well, it's easy to do when you're pulling all the strings right, but we wanted I mean again, it's always this tap dance, right because the audience is like how could they not get arrested in cycle? Because the other people aren't in the scenes you're watching. Yeah, right. They can't see them do it, but If there is something to sack sounds crazy and taxes, right? Can you imagine how maddening that is that you're telling the truth? And that's what is so delicious for me and episode 8 the very end when he goes to Warner, they came my house and put a gun in my mouth and put it back. Okay. Yeah sure they did right. 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So Tamika was was Cooper's lawyer to represent him once it was revealed that he planted evidence. Yes. Because motherfucker hindering prosecution. What are you talking about? I mean, do you have any thoughts on Cooper and your thoughts and on if he actually he should remember Greg? Yeah. I've been down this road before it's literally what Jill what you were saying everybody who comes into that office and now Warner has even told Blanca your star. Act like that in which what's interesting? Is she she she she turned. Yeah and everybody this is what's kind of scary about them. Yes, please. Yes - yeah. No, I mean of course look the whole idea I we've been doing is like a little bit of an and then there were none in that office. So we've killed everybody. Yeah, or Removed everybody. So Sachs is like standing alone, you know and so he's just trying and I love the sea and like one of my favorite scenes in this episode is when Tamika is sitting with sacks and she's just like hey, you lost boy. Yeah like you lost and so, you know, that's really great. Was this beautiful cinematography by the Shanna directed The yeah, she was there ever any discussion for for Cooper to kill himself. Well, it's in that scene. Yeah, feel it. Right? Yeah. Yes, but he even has an actual plot. Yeah. No, because for me that character is a little too arrogant. He's a little you know what I mean? Okay little too. It's a little too like he's not going to go all the way there. Okay. I also thought this is such an easy cop-out for us. Yes, all that problem, you know. Yeah, he felt it though. Yeah, and then also with Blanca Rodriguez as well Jill you touch on a just a little bit how she, you know, she went from straight and narrow. Then she you know, she helped Cooper Saxe and then what's your take on the Terry silver investigation before we before we move on to Tate, it's a mess and I can't believe they're going forward with it because Tomika even said to Hooper when she was talking to him. The only way that they can get a warrant is is if someone saw James Stewart is alive Smoking Gun that either isn't an accomplice or known. An enemy I feel like Draya is both but we'll see Dre. You go back to episode 9 sir. When Tasha actually told the cops about jams, you know killing Terry so that it was just so Random to me. I don't know is that we're ghosts always dump the bodies. I'm sorry, but what's the random part like just the way she confessed it about and just gave out. Information in a way that have to take this talk to you that she has been saying for the last like five episodes. She's going to tell somebody right true. She came to him and she said I know you killed him. I know you killed my future and he went remember he said to her I make it wasn't your future any more than when Sean was remember ghost was disrespectful. It was running around remember ghost had a whole girlfriend, but he whole moved in with that he whole brought their children over with like Like your remember all that so so now here's the thing. So I can't I can't Bam Bam just then she told so many times. I'm going to tell I'm going to tell then he comes over and he's like listen stop your drug dealing and she's like I'm not going to do that and he's like listen, I will tell you that she's on her. Okay. Remember he's concerned. Remember go stitching on people has happened how many times in his life a whole bunch of times goes to the full snitch. He's a full right? Okay. So all of that then finally she's like, all right, and he grabs her up and he slams her into the refrigerator and he holds her and she's frightened. She's scared because with ghosts you don't know what the next time we'll be right and then he pushes her in the forehead. It was that game was that that was a problem. That was it fun. He only did that one time and we put it right in the show. Yes, but the point is she's at her wits end in that moment in 609. Not only is she afraid for her life with him, but also Blancas like listen, you don't give us any information. I'm gonna have to talk about how your son's blood was at re-raise. See now. What do you know about Tasha? That is consistent. She's Mama cut to recall the way with Eureka hundred percent. So I'm going to ask you what was her choice and she okay because you don't like the she did it because he waited how is it out? There is a female voice. This who calls and says Kanan is riding dirty to remember when Kane and got turned in you remember season 2 when when Tommy goes to kanan's Rib Shack and he tells Tommy you know, how I got I got arrested. I got arrested because ghost put me in jail. It was just don't he go set me up, but you know who made the phone call. Sorry about it's not random. You don't like it, but that's not random. Okay, it's all in the show. Like we've baked all of this in the whole time. And by the way again, it would be incredibly stupid if we had Tasha say I'm gonna tell I've been tell I'm this hell and never know and technically speaking. Let me just be with the team Tasha black girl. Magic Alliance for just a second welcome. Tasha didn't technically tale. She said it could be she didn't have any actual evidence. The thing is he didn't kill him with a Gun. There's no gun, like whatever. She didn't have any she just simply goes never copped to it. Yeah go, you know goes was like, I don't Talking about so technically she didn't she didn't tail. But I get your perspective because I think what I read on social media is because Tommy Tashan goes when it comes to the three of them they can put aside their differences and come together for certain things. So people didn't think that it was they thought it was uncharacteristic that the boat that both Tasha and goes snitch on each other and each other. No that's not but they are enemies now like that's the thing. I'm like, that's the thing. I don't understand. It's like people want the characters not to grow. They don't want them to shift - yeah. It's like you want them to always be They were but the truth is Ghost and Tommy been gunning for each other Four Seasons now like ghost is a different guy goes to saying all sorts of things. You know what I mean? Like it's not he's not the same but that the whole like uncharacteristic think know there is a progression of things that happened this season that like each thing that's happened that is forced these people into these sighs if goes to number put hands on Tasha would she have done that? Not necessarily but he put her in a position where she was afraid for her life. Got his hands specifically at his hands. So she needs somebody to help him out help her out with that who's going to help her which to was the reason he put hands on her because was it a she she said that she was going to snatch or to was it for Tariq. It was for wait. Why did he put hands on her? Yeah, but you do it or why did he goes? She's I'll because she threatened his career. She said I'm going to snatch and then I'm going to take away everything from you. And by the way, I know it wasn't the other thing that but the other thing too is that him putting hands on her actually is the confession. You never she goes to lose his cool right never she threatened him with something that he'd actually done. Yeah, and when we got it signified a turning point is doing that. Yeah, because she threatened him. She said I'm going to tell them that you did this and I know you did it and he did do it. He did do it and I wasn't one of his typical ghost murders were he's plotted it. All right exactly the moment it was manslaughter and it was messy and sloppy and he knows he didn't make all the right choices in that moment. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. So now let's go to Tate. Yeah, I don't know why I take I mean, I know that ghost has taken Tate's life, but at the same time I'm like, why do you want you really want to kill them? You really want to go that far down the rabbit hole tape? I don't know if for me he as far as him being one of the suspects now. Yeah, it's not him because it when you're a politician you pay people to do stuff like that, you know, you paid He's someone that and the one thing, you know seen him pay people do his dirty will do work for him throughout right? Yeah. So, um, but also I am okay with ghosts having the conversations with majority of the people in the episode 2 became suspects except for Tate. He was trying to tell you write that bra and you want in your mouth. That was the one time like shut up you feeling yeah a little too much. Yeah. He went to a little bit too hard. Yeah on Tate and because of that he almost you know, but it didn't work. Yeah, but isn't it so great at I mean the fact that basically ghost went to tell everybody in the cocky way that he did he went and push the button with everybody else. So every so it gave everybody a reason that we would think as the as the audience it gives everybody a reason to go after him the way that they did because Tate. Yeah granted he was about to tell him but did you see him turn? I mean he turned old dog on. To the 10th power right? Like he just went there and it was like you can see ghosts is snatching all of this for his benefit right for his benefit and it gives them a reason to do it. So do I think that he did it? Ultimately? No, it would be interesting but I don't think he did. Okay, let's move really quick. We've already talked about Dre. Do you guys have anything else to say about Dre Dre is the luckiest person. Okay. Yeah. He's like a Siamese twin. He has like 18 lives my daughter. What do you guys think about beside that? Okay, besides sex, I guess that I actually felt like I saw close to the club, but I don't think she did it either. I think she may want to and have been emotional but I don't think that she has it in her to pull the trigger even as distraught as she is and I do because out of The other ones I feel like with pause when goes pause and knew that that goes was lying to her when he said that he didn't know who killed her. So just from just Street codes if you know if I know if I know Jimmy if I know that Jamie knows the person that actually killed somebody of my that's family. I'm gonna kill you because you won't tell me that's that's kind of not a killer they Street she's but pauses not from the streets. We don't take a clean really know her background, but you just you just never you never know why but it makes it seems logical that pause. This is her sister. You know, she blames ghosts. Although it's not like ghosts put a gun to Angela's head and said, you know the well, whatever. Yeah, but pause has has has she has a logical reason in her head for why she wants to kill him when I put don't they all wait wait, hold on. So if you guys remember the whole Run of the series pause was saying to Angela. What about James? He was going to stay away from yeah, he's gonna get you killed. Yeah. He's already changed who you are like and do you guys remember in 510 what happens with pause and Angela when they're sitting in the diner and passes give them what they want testify against him and she says I'll lose my whole career. I lose my whole life and and has his at least you'll be safe. You might sleep on my couch, but at least you'll be safe. Remember she's Desperate to save her sister. What happened Sister - yeah, and if you remember when ghost is in 601 if you go back and look at 601 went pause comes out and she is the one that they have told and she sees ghosts standing there with Angela's blood on him from the ambulance. What does she say to you as remember? She says asesina murderer now you guys have siblings you have family. Somebody has you think someone is Your sibling and you warned and you try to you worried about this. This is the thing you thought was going to happen. And then it happened. Yeah, and then you're finally told we can't get him. We can't get him for anything if you remember Blanca has to tell both Tate and pods. Yeah, he's going to walk. I don't know and it's I'll give you guys one little thing. It's Angeles gun. Jesus y'all hear that literally scratching my head right before we go into the shade a Service Unit duty pistol. Remember she took it when she met and with Nomar again, it's all for the fans. Remember remember no more. Yes that were yeah, he's always messing with ruiz's daughter. Yeah. Do you remember she had to take the gun with her? Yeah, it's her gun anything on. Think on Blanco. So Blanca actually hears The Gunshot and she has the award for the race already serving the warrant by herself. Yeah. That was my question. Why is she there by herself many times a day messages that with James? I'm just like they let you go along but okay, so but the warrant that she got how did she get it? I'm assuming I assumed it was because since Dre cohorts the the story and that was After I believe that everything was dropped with Terry silver, so she got to because of Dre made up the story. So that's why she's the same. Remember the detail that Tameka gave kind of you may not all the way be legal. I think that's that's the point is that we okay so we know yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but the way she got that warrant is a little messed up. Yes Dre is lying, right? So is she gonna bring a whole bunch of people with her? Right? Right. That's true. She's trying to get him into custody, you know. I mean because of what is she going to tell the other special agents were like, how did you get a war on James st. Patrick? See what happened was, you know what I mean? Okay, so so obviously with who shot goes and we're going to go into the last five episodes. Do you guys have an opinion and regards to who you think it is we know I'm not going to be stupid enough to ask her. Well, I have a I have a question kind of thing. Is it possible? Able that two of the people teamed up because that works into my theory and some type of way. I'm not gonna say anything. Okay anything's possible. Okay, what I will tell you though is because I've seen a lot of I mean I didn't really do a lot of social media crawl, but I did a little and people are suggesting people that we didn't show a suspect and I wouldn't do that that's not I would never do that. I was thinking like Tariq and Tommy if you can get the same queue, but I was like, he wasn't even in the episode. Okay? He was I say Tasha. He gonna keep talking shoe. Take Sasha to jail when he's to reveal. He's a Fed. Okay, again, those people who said they yeah, Holly was an undercover cop and I was like, what? Why would I ever withhold that from the audience go see? I don't tell stories like that. If somebody was an undercover cop I would let you know so that you would have that tension would be going on. You know what I mean? I wouldn't with hold it and go gotcha. Well, I see I don't feel like it's a got you only because when Shows up he enquired about the daycare. We've never seen a child. Like I feel like there's a bunch of signs that shows he's not who he is. No nothing. All right. Sorry. Sorry, sorry. No. No, it's not that he is. It's interesting though because like he is a guy who's actually interested in this woman. He doesn't know anything else is with her. Do you know what I mean? So he doesn't no no, he's not undercover cop. All right, let's let's take some some questions. Hashtag ask Courtney. He does anybody have any well I do. So kind of to your point earlier that nothing is put into the scripts or into the episodes. That won't come back later woo-wee CFE in the last five episodes. The tariq's grown-up who actually is no no. Okay. Okay now Courtney, do you have a question? Go ahead. So some of the complaints just from from the fans and I have to address this because I get a lot of messages. But some people thought like, you know, the the pace up the pacing of it was super fast and there were things that seems unlike, you know on a power like, you know, like the shootout in the penthouse or like the action sequences like certain people like a lot of people don't She media felt like they were like power changed and in a sense. And as far as the tone, what do you mean in this episode meaning just the the series itself as the series itself as far as you know, what pacing sometimes seem to be fast, like like how we were give to certain points so fast, I don't really have a response to that about my feeling is like Yeah, I don't really it's a weird thing because I think the things that I see people want are sometimes a little bit fanfiction need to me. So I don't you know, yeah, like it's I don't have a response to that because it's like we had to fit in a lot of story. It's the last season in this chapter the last season but I also think that there's only one thing happening this season if you look at what's happening, it is all happening on that same track, which was this ghost versa. Tommy thing yeah, so I don't know. I mean we were going to destroy some very specific things. We destroyed the Mustang we destroyed the penthouse we were going to burn truth down but we just couldn't afford it. Yeah, so we destroyed truth in another way, but I feel as though like I kind of I don't know. I don't I'm going to try to say this in the most beautiful like thoughtful way. Those people who watch the show who make television professionally. They are allowed to tell me that at the pace is too fast. Yea those people who don't make television professionally and don't like and they're like, they're professional like they watch television. It's like when you see the end of the season and how everything worked together and all these pieces that we had to show you an order to play fair with you so that you weren't there were no gotchas like all of a sudden boom Fe is some undercover cop or boom like Never done that like when am I ever done like a gotcha undercover cop? I've never done that in like six seasons. I don't do those things. So it's like I feel like all those little pieces that we had to sew in they were also carefully done. So I guess what I would say is it has been with such great effort and such great care that we've placed all of these we've worked so hard to bring the best version of a last season if they don't like it, there's not much I can do but I'm proud of the product and that's kind of where I sit with it. There is going go ahead man. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, so I ready article today in deadline and it said you guys filmed multiple endings in case one of them leaks out. Boom. So my question was what do you plan to do with that extra content? Well say nothing gets leaked out right? Everything goes like that ever happens. Does it ever happened and nothing leaks? Is that ever happened? So We'll see, you know, is there a plan with the extra stuff? Well, the thing is I've been trying to be able to do deleted scenes for years because we have then we have so many and I'm like I've been trying to do so many different kinds of versions of that but it's been really hard to get to be able to do it because of the way premium cable works and dealing with Affiliates and stuff like that. Okay. Okay. So in in under three minutes, I would just go and I would just talk about what people are. Saying in the chat room there is SB who's dying to know? How did Tasha know the location it of Silver's body. Is it because that's where she last saw him and just knows that no. No, it's not the same garage. It's a garage at the airport. She knows how ghost is dumped bodies in the past. It's a guess. Okay. It's a guess. She's she doesn't know. It's a guess. Okay, perfect. So we have someone lovable plan says, can you get breakdown Tasha and Lakeisha because I think that's been a cop like a steady debate amongst everybody was he really in love with her or was it just that I was Tasha. I'm sorry, Tommy the t's Tommy and Lakeisha was he really in love with her or where did he just know? You know what when I found out that she wasn't going to tell on me. I just have her back. She's my family now and I want to marry her. From the beginning. Tommy was always looking for that partner. Yeah, Tommy's characters actually written in love. He's written out of love ghost is written out a logic and he's written out of love. So Tommy was looking for that partner. He killed the right partner. He had the right partner. He had that person and he killed her because he loved ghost more than he loved her, which is what she said, right? So he lost that person. He lost that family and you know how sometimes people They try to make a new family immediately when they lose that so yes, he's in love with the Keisha. But the way that he's in love with the Keisha is not how he was in love with Holly. Holly is like that crazy stupid love that like once in a lifetime kind of love. The Lakeisha love is more. It's almost like you're saying Robin. It's more familial. It's more like okay. This is now my person. Yeah, because she will cleave to me now remember also that those are two people Whoo-hoo both need something very desperately. He needs a home and she needs a man. So she has she has a home and he she invites him into it. Right and then he becomes the surrogate father for her child. She got all the things she got the cash and prizes. She was just about to get everything. She wanted she got the house. She got the car. She was just about to get the ring. And I mean that's also part of the story that I'm telling which is when you as a woman go to get those boxes checked off there might be a lot that comes with it that you don't know. For sure. Will Tasha's earring missing earring come up somehow. We don't know. Okay that answers your question Courtney. How do you guys respond because I know you guys are very you guys are very up on social media. But I just you know curious as to how you guys how did it make you guys feel when some of how a lot of people were slandering the Keisha characters performance, like does it just I'm just curious as it like does it bother you guys you clap back? I mean it was like a trending topic for most of the season. You you wanted what I really think yeah, I think when Angela left the show, there's a lot of internalized misogyny from women and there's a lot of just misogyny out there and people like to hate on women. Okay, I do not think it had anything to do with with Lala's performance. I think there is something that something that is real about the fact that she was not a criminal people started to hate on her for that which I thought was insane like she bought into this life she say And her own life by buying into because Tommy certainly would have killed her and episode 5 10. And so there's this really weird thing where people were like, yeah, she can't act like no she's doing the same actor. She always was a Nutty all complained about that before it's that you don't have Angela to be mad at right now. So this is the female you're mad at your mad at her and I think also the way that it works emotionally, I'll just say this is that Tasha for people is very sacred. And so once Lakeisha and Tasha weren't on the same side right once Lakeisha was like Tasha, you know, what? Fuck you I think that that also became like Lakeisha became a hated character, right? It wasn't I don't think it was loud as perform. So, that's me. I just don't think it was I was performance Lala did a great job. I don't think I had anything to do with that at all. Not really. Yeah. Go ahead also really quickly. We're there any other some people always ask this, but we're there any other characters are I mean other actors? Who were like heavy in contention for some of the characters that we've grown to love? Like as far as like goes Tasha? Were there any other actors who sure there are plenty of people who understand for those parts, but they wouldn't want you to know that I auditioned it did good job Maya tell you that okay, except you and sometimes people ask and want to know so I know we have to wrap up the show now we can go on and on with you Courtney, but tell us a little bit more about the what can we expect from the last I've not specifically and then also PowerBook to and and yeah, okay and on and on if in fact you felt like episode 10 was fast. The episodes that follow are inspired a little bit by rashomon. If you guys know that that film if you don't you should watch it but it's basically about several people who are part of the same incident and their different ways of looking at it. And so you are about to learn a lot more about other characters and therefore get a lot of pieces filled in it's almost like stick 6 10 and 6 through 615 are actually almost like a movie of their own. They're almost a five. Our conversation about this day and what happened to everyone in this day. So, you know, it's a high-wire act and it there are going to be some people who just want an episode of Power. You know, I mean, I think it's like I think this goes to the comment that you made before Buzz. I mean bam, which is that for 10 of his very satisfying ending were goes Tommy and Kanan right off into the sunset together and they're all I'll angry at Dre, but that can only sustain that One thing yeah now we're in the end game and this is this is it so and it can you tell us anything about the other alleged rumor spin-offs the alleged rumors been upstairs. It's not they're not rumors there really happening. There's so many of them are busy working on them right now. We're shooting one of them right now. I mean, it's crazy. It's like it's going to be a whole universe of stuff and you're going to get more and more and more and more. Okay, so there's power so whatever they're called and when when when So adorable there is power booktube PowerBook three PowerBook for pound fighter and I tell you anything cause I'm not gonna say which characters are because then you would think that they survived and at least one of them. Is that someone who doesn't so, okay. Well when will win will it start immediately after well as well. They are you bi are staring Eric well, too it's too early for me to say well, okay. Okay, we'd like it to are exactly when powered it. Okay. Well, this is Bittersweet. I feel like because you know, we've been Doing this for six seasons now and I don't know who are going to have you back. I hope so. I'll come back from 15. Can we find you on social media? Oh God, barely. I'm on Instagram and I'm on Twitter and I don't do anything anything else. No Snapchat another like that. I'm at Courtney Kemp. I think I'm at Courtney Kemp on Twitter and at Courtney egg hunt on his perfect Jimmy. Where can we find James your boy Jimmy V. @v Jimmy be you guys can find me on all of my social media at Robin Aires. 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Afterbuzz hosts discuss the mid-season finale titled "No One Can Stop Me" with creator and show runner Courtney Kemp. Courtney answers all our questions and reveals what Power spin-offs to look for next. About Power After Show: Follow our POWER AFTER SHOW, to see how our hosts follow a man who successfully lives his crazy double life. We discuss this extravagant lifestyle with all the surprising twists that occur in the show. Subscribe here for in depth discussions, reviews and recaps including some of your favorite cast members. ABOUT POWER: The series follows James St. Patrick, nicknamed "Ghost", owner of a popular New York City nightclub. In addition, he is a major player in one of the city's biggest illegal drug networks. He struggles to balance these two lives, and the balance topples when he realizes he wants to leave the drug ring in order to support his legitimate business. It appears James "Ghost" St. Patrick has it all -- a drop-dead gorgeous wife, a stunning Manhattan penthouse, and the power and success that come with owning hot new nightclub Truth. But a closer look reveals a man living a double life. When Ghost isn't tending to his Fortune 500 business, he's catering to clients of another operation: a drug empire that serves only the rich and influential. While loyal sidekick Tommy protects the cash-cow narcotics venture at all costs, Ghost's new reality is using Truth as more than a front to launder money. It's a way out of the drug game and into a legitimate life with his family, even if everything he loves becomes unknowingly threatened. "Power" is co-executive produced by Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson (who also co-stars) and show creator Courtney Kemp ("The Good Wife"). 