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Let the buzz begin I am back with the panel. That's just causing so much trouble all around. I feel like we're in Roswell New Mexico right now. We have phone service though and reception and phone so and we have electricity which is a big difference. Thank God thank goodness. And thank goodness that you're all back today as we go over Roswell season 1 episode 4 where have all the Cowboy's gone. We're going to break it down for all of you and all of us at home Roses Store. Hospital the hospital's tail was great Cameron and master sergeant Barnes. That was very interesting Kamon Max then Max and Isabel. We're going to shift from Camden Mac Mac's to Isabel Max and Kyle Kyle and Liz that was some drama mama stereotypes as we talked to social commentary of CW always present our special segment. But this week's special segment is what scene made you the most mad because there were so many and we're going to get right into predictions as always. I have a wonderful panel of people right to my left. I am Tehran alongside, it's Jen. Once again, I'm back and I'm here to stay Grant to say I'm glad you're here to stay because I love the both of you and I'm George Khoury nice to be with all of you. Again. We were actually hoping you would rhyme too because T, we were doing that. I should have picked up a freestyle. I should've done something. You should have done something the way I feel like cause I move that pisode should have done something this episode. Was one that infuriated both of you George. What were your overall thoughts on the maddest superfan alive? Because this show seem contrived My overall thoughts y'all. There we go. Is that this? Okay Roswell New Mexico is my favorite show on TV. It is up until this episode. I felt there were four scenes and I felt the actors weren't is married to the lines as they were in previous episodes and it took me out of the moment as a viewer. Are you upset at the actors or at the Riders because sometimes when you look at let's say overall movies, if a movie is bad and actors usually good we say it's the writer director, but if the actors bad and it's in several movies, then you know, what factor which one was it in this case Tehran you say Kyle is not blue or is still blue and most people say it takes two. So I think it was the writers and actors in this episode that dropped the ball. I see that we can stop the rhyming thing now Max. Hello Max lover. Max lover. Listen Max over 85. Yeah, I like today's episode. I thought there's a lot of good interesting relationships developing and my boy, we're going to go into later I could see why you guys that was my episode started resonator. And if you're not familiar, it's because Jim is a Kyle fan which is why it was ironic and sardonic to call him Max lover 85, you're clearly team Kyle and Liz were shipping that as what again Kyla Kyla's Kyla's Kyla's are we shipping cost? Thank you. But I refuse to help with that shipping sure and on my side I have to say overall thoughts that I enjoyed this week's episode. But I also saw a lot of flaws. I saw a lot of flaws in the acting which I had not seen before it became very soap opera-like there were moments. And also we're going to get into a little bit of the stereotypes which also plagued my thoughts as I was watching with scenes where they were eating Churros pancakes and roses. I'm kidding, you know, I was like we need to discuss this CW CW usually does an excellent job of diversity and diversify and they did actually throw in a lot of social commentary in this episode which will also discuss let's jump into roses story because that was a major plot Point throughout tonight's episode with roses stored. And when I say that I mean first we started off with roses advice where she had clearly been hurt by somebody. ADI we don't know to the point where we're at Liz even turns and says Rosa who hurt you right who could have possibly hurt Rosa speaking on the who hurt you line. That was the first contrived line that I noticed for the first time Janine Mason who does such a wonderful job playing her character when she said that it just was too sudden. She didn't seem attached to what she was saying. It just came up like who hurt you in the middle of a very calm conversation and when she said that it opened up the In which led to the rest of the events of and I'm still wondering who her well George. I don't know anyone trying to tell me if you see a differently this storyline now with Rosa is like, who is she hooking up with or who she's with? There's so many guys being attached now to her that it's becoming another almost storyline in a different direction because now it's today's episode were talking about Kyle's dad potentially and then there's that was that Frederico Federico that egg stealer boyfriend there was a lot going on too many guys here involved. There's Max maybe in last episode. Let's straighten this out. There was a point where I actually thought Isabel might have been connected because of the hatred that Rosa had for Isabel and that's the one that transferred to Maria which we will discuss later in today's after show as well. But overall I was I was in agreeance with George where that line came off very contrived and Roses story. Become somewhat of a hindrance either. Let's focus on Rosa or let's not we're not getting enough of any one thing. Exactly. And why does the boyfriend matter so much besides a speculation of Max if we now know or it's perceived that an alien killed Rosa. So why are we so concentrated on the guy she was with well, it's because of the clues and we do get some Clues because the story goes on we realized Rosa who's been hurt and says something like people don't need other people and this is your this is your armor as she hands him a hands Liz address. We feel something has happened to Rosa. We don't know maybe tied to the Elder of the linty who was gone and can't can't defend it didn't defend himself. So we're gonna have to find out through Clues and context. We also see that roses ex-drug dealer Frederico and the father clearly hates him. He hates has got chased him out of there immediately the reaction. You saw the reaction in Spanish. It was so upbeat and that was booking it that far as as a son of immigrants. I kind of appreciated that moment. It's like something I had seen before that part exactly that part was that pot real people were writing. Oh, that's stereotypical Mexican father No, actually that's that was a realistic portrayal. We're shooing away. Whoever that boy is especially especially with the connection of drugs and with Rosa, right this this is not a person that Liz's father takes kindly to at all. Hmm bad news Freddie get him out of here. But Frederick go came through because he's also the one who's going through the 12 steps and sobering up and getting his life on track and has the backpack that leads to more clues for for Liz and out of the actor's name. But acting well done on Federico's and Rico was excellent if his goals a character was to come across as sincere and authentic. I felt that from him completely. Yeah, he was solid. I'm curious to see what role he's going to play going down the road. Was it a one-off in a sense where he just brings the the whatever backpack and she shows up with a message Place some roll down the line. I wouldn't see him in next couple episodes, but maybe he has some purpose also, so I'm thinking they gave him enough screen time tonight to justify another appearance for it's possible and we're going to have to find out hopefully you'll throw that out and predictions when when Michael and Isabel and Max got together, they brought up a little more part of of roses story when they they were like basically Rosa was killed by an alien and she will learn everything. Yes. They it's almost like there's this conspiracy. We've decided not to dig we promised we wouldn't look in any more into this Rosa Rosa was killed by an alien, but they say it in a you know vernacular which makes it seem it's not one of them. Yes, and that's that's what really has me thinking as a cliffhanger almost and I'm Wondering what else do they know that they may not be telling each other inside that unit. It almost made me think do they have all the facts or do they not? Yeah. That's a good point. Like they might know more George you think there's a chance that someone on this show is an alien that we don't know and they know about it. If anyone's gonna be an alien, let's be real. It's going to be me. You knew me. So the ship crashes there are three eggs is what I like to call them. I forgot the well there are multiple a these are the three that survive survive perhaps there is a chance that one more did survive which is funny because we see that Grant who's spews all these conspiracies. He's actually kind of right when he says things. I don't mean he obviously doesn't know that but he's kind of right every time he says something in a way there is some truth to what he's saying. He has a funny look in his eyes and might be him. Shit, man, I I would highly doubt. Yeah, that would be the best twist that would cover that guy. Oh, yeah, so Roseau walked away because she hated Isabel. I thought there might have been some tension between them sexually or something, but that's not what the show led to it. Just at that moment the way that they were portraying it. What do you think the beef between Rosa and Isabelle keep oscillating significant? Probably I'm thinking it's Kind of high school thing where she was the popular one and maybe Isabel wasn't and she holds is about was popular. But yeah, this is what was yeah and Roosevelt wasn't thanks for correction. And there's there's still kind of going with that and since Rosa died already probably didn't you know, they're at a stage now where wouldn't matter but they still held on to that whole popularity possibly because there's nothing else I can think of that would really be at stake that they suggest at least. Here's what I could think of Jim. So we see the episode open with rooms. Osa telling her younger sister Protect Your Heart Right your that's why there's a cage or armor around your heart. So being the bigger sister looking out. What if Rosa is onto the entire Liz and Max situation and she's suspect also, which we've seen in previous episodes that Isabel gets a little weird around Max and we're questioning what the relationship really is. What if what if Roosevelt? That Isabel was moving in on her sisters Rome at romance with Max. That's what that's where I'm headed with this. I mean, that's an interesting Theory right now. I don't know if we clearly we don't know so L never got a doors. It's all my stores actually very viable at this point because things have happened in this in the series where what? We thought we knew we did not know simply for the fact that we was Max the killer or not the killer we thought for a Might have been then we realize that he's not now it's looking like it in the big reveal that it might be Michael. We don't know there's a lot we don't know try and do you think you're doing too much confusion? Like literally there backpedaling and going forward to a point where they're just like confusing the audience. There's so many twists and turns a lot of plot. There are a lot of loopholes in the plot and that's one of the things when we discuss writing and we talk about the fourth wall of the show where we take ourselves out of Roswell, New Mexico the show and now go into Roswell, New Mexico to So production there are a lot of loopholes is it because it's the first season is it because they're trying to reboot a show that's already been done. So well and has has captivated the hearts and minds of so many people already. I think it's a little bit of both and possibly it seems that the show is trying to do too much. Yeah and and adding on to that. I noticed more pop culture references. We had the Regina George and then the Mean Girls we even had References back to Sarah Palin we had references to Trump in Puerto Rico throwing the paper towel. So they're really adding a lot to try and ramp up and I think it's doing so a little too much because I enjoyed the natural atmosphere of Roswell and trying to make it erase your show or more quote interesting show is kind of taking me out of this story in the world of Ross will well in in effect with roses Story the backpack Did you feel like this came out of nowhere? I did I was I was confused by the backpack widen Federico have his backpack for yeah. Why is she holding on for 20 years? No, no doubt about the way that the clues are all just left. Some of them are people holding onto things neatly tucked into a cave and stuff. It was roses whole intent to make this treasure hunt for a search for her. It's almost she strapped a crime search. She said a toilet. It's snowing so many Clues now and demise and like really Point where Frederico has like a big item of hers for all these years it did. She really anticipate Liz going to him at some point and him not going through that stuff as in why didn't you read the stuff and go who is this guy? What is this about? What? Hey, he should be asking Liz question. Yeah, you have a decade to Dawn hundred percent and then of course the twist of Kyle's dad possibly being the one who was hooking up with Rosa because of the note that was in the backpack and wrote and Liz, of course. Going through every year book to try to basically analyze the handwriting and finding it and saying it matches the matches that Valenti's handwriting that's like soap opera. So this is morning daytime soap opera this point where you just like going way off base with this whole father thing. I thought that was just too far at this point is becoming comical like and she's what kind of what kind of damn your book is. She finding them to match the father's right to it what Sheriff Writing and I can see that congratulations of just two minds. Why does everything lead to a sexual situation and and you know what, maybe the village is small so people got to get it in they all that much. They mean there's references. There's not a lot to do around here. But we like the show let's get this clear. We really like the show and I love the show. Yeah, you know love the show. I like the show and it's show that I'm very enthusiastic about and that's why this episode was a little eating because it was on a pace. We had given it enough time. We've given its suspension of belief. We done all the steps and then this one particular episode took a turn where it became its own stereotype of this show. It became a stereotype of of the show and that's what we want to avoid. We want it to stay Encore on course. We didn't get a lot of things that we Liked the Roses storyline is we like these kind of story lines. We've seen them with Thirteen Reasons Why and things of that Nature and right but those suck particularly to the plot line and this one just goes all over the place. There's so much happening. And this roses story overall. How did you feel about Rosa story? I'm just losing more and more interest every week at this point. I'm just more interested into relationships and exactly and celery and who cares about Rosa anymore, like really we know this cares about it, but who else really cares about it when they're starting to lose us as an audience because it's going really off course. Lee and I hope that you one thing we care about is all of you at home, we would never want to lose you as an audience because we actually really enjoy you so thank you so much for participating and watching. Yeah, and we need your help. Thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk but we can always use your help and we need to so when you guys are checking outside and YouTube subscribe, we want you to comment also that really helps. We love interacting reading your stuff what you're thinking about the show so we can then go together and kind of talk about the Ends, and if you're listening to us on iTunes, give us a five star rating. We appreciate that and we can use that. So we appreciate all the interaction and you guys are doing and we just wanted to thank you and being part of AfterBuzz for me and being on this platform and talking to you guys has been a great experience and being able to interact with the audience. I just feel like it's made me talk about a show. I probably wouldn't have watched. Otherwise and really makes me grow as a commentator and someone that talks about it. So we need your help. Thank you for all the help. And just subscribe give us a ratings and comment. Thank you so much Jim. I don't like you but I do like the show hot do like a fella, you know, what's really great about having three guys discuss. What should be in essence a teenybopper demographic of like a female demographic show. We talked about the show where enthusiastic about the show and we also make it sound like we're Sports commentating at the same time when Roosevelt is the ball. What did you think Jim? And I'm bald exactly and I think there were A couple fumbles in this episode is really what it comes down to let's go to the hospital storyline. Where of course after last week. We see Max is knocked out all of the Power and the town and he's he's bringing supplies, but he knows what he did was wrong and it's hurtful to this town. The hospital is without power and if you know anything about hospitals being without power, they should have backup generators. However, a hospital without power is basically a death trap. We need power and we see The hospital Story come to play where there's a kid. This Victor kid Victor Franco who needs a new pacemaker because his pacemaker was out because one of the lights was out in there the car crash Liz's father has what looks like a heart attack, but it turns out to be symptoms of diabetes that come to play and of course Max touches the generator and the power just goes back up. He gets shocked back, but the power that goes back up Hospital storage too much. Hey, it was like gyro, huh? Yeah, it was just like stops going out and people are dying and you know Max becomes the hero because he brings the power back to it, but it wasn't the hero right because Kyle keeps bringing up how you're not a hero. My father was a hero and he did try to play the hero exactly tried to play here on then you see him get that shock. That's what involved in a moment do it in the first place. Yeah, and it's called speech and and I don't know if I missed it and previous episodes, but it becomes very clear that Kyle knows exactly what Max is. Power is to me at least when that he to me. I think he knows that Max healed Liz from the bullet shot and he does and he lives his specifically told Guy exactly and it was he was testing him. He was saying, you know, you're not going to do anything and there was a tension and we to play God exactly. You said you said I can't play God all the time and you see Max, it's almost this moment where we see Kyle needing Max for the first time most of the time he's Trying to destroy Max. So I and I saw a dichotomy of him now needing him and it was interesting to see Kyle in a vulnerable place almost asking his opposition for help and what we see is I thought that Max was going to reach over and he will the kid but for hangs I thought that too that he's going to have to the touch the risk and but then that was pretty that was where the clever writing was to run downstairs in the way it led into having his partner Cameron see the handprint. I thought that was cleverly. Written and a good scene in that part. I was confused that he was not it was a good ending to a kind of a messy scene in some ways. You had to interaction between Kyle and Max and there. I just don't know why they put that kid as a pawn in a sense. They used him kind of to have their little confrontational but emotionally manipulative. Yeah. I think it was a pacemaker. It doesn't play unless this kid comes back in unless he has some say we need for Draco to how it played to me from my view was that This kid represented Kyle's attachment to his community and care for the people and basically alienating the alien and saying you're an outsider you don't really care about the people you might have killed the people here get out. That's a great way to look at it George. I will allow that point Q for me personally because that's a great way to look at it. I just think that they also try to use us with this kid. He was born in the ditch. And yeah, there's a sob story. Maybe he was just born could it have been possible that he's just a kid and he needs a heart and that's as far as we go but no it needs to they drenched that the the water out of the stone what that story what about the part where we're in the hospital the confrontation with Kyle and Max work? I'll just walks away. That was the when I was like that's bad acting bad acting and we saw other scenes to wear again. The actors weren't attached to their lines and I'm starting to wonder where they rush in this episode because this episode was more dialogue heavy whereas the other ones are more action heavy and part of me thinks, you know, you're filming your in the season and now you're giving this dialogue heavy script you have X amount of time to film and that's where I think the disconnect could be. There are more lines in this field, but it works to what the episode because it was so soap opera she you know in that sense, so I guess the acting played into it so if we're going by that But then it kind of works like that acting is more natural and especially in here's where I say see them do better everything. We've seen these actors on other shows. And so we know they do better Max is Max on every show. That's the kind of guy named Max. He's just a nice guy though. He's a good Batman, right? So he's the nice guy. He's the Bruce Wayne most of the time however, and he's always the hero but on the other situations Janine Mason is a newer actor where She was a dancer before and now she's an acting in this is and such a good breakout role and in her defense. She's to me she's done very well up to this episode or a few moments. She's done very well. I usually I'm on board. I know it's a CW Show. I know what I'm in for and I've been actively on board with this. I really like how Michael was being portrayed Isabel Isabel Rock total Rock start Isabel a character is so consistent and you see this Illness in her acting in the look in her eyes the depth of character Isabel to me that character is nailed. There's not one moment where I've ever felt I agree. It's been a slow burn with her. She hasn't said much and Sully has been rising Rising today. She had more dialogue more Scene. So it's we're seeing a natural progression with her and we enjoy and you know what to be honest. I don't even like Isabel as an actor. It's not that I've seen her and other things but I just don't like her there's something about her that naturally doesn't sit well with me and yet as an Actor itself. I'm like wow, you are very good extremely good. I believe her name is Lily cowls and very good actor. Yeah. I've nothing bad. I haven't detected anything. Maybe the only thing I would say is that she isn't playing this super lovable character in the episode. That's how good it and that's why we got to give her even more brownie points. She's taking the more dramatic less like Troll and still me as a viewer. I'm just totally engulfed every time she's on screen. Well someone we all find All the time is Max Max's putting on an act especially when it comes to cam. Does Max like cam what's going on in that situation. He needs cam at this point. He's losing the grip of Liz and now the desperation is coming in. So we sing desperate Max again and Sully he's starting to make up to cam and be more available to her. I'm noticing that change. He's picking his Lane now when he's noticing that options going to be moving away. So he's He's trying to hang on to camp and he's pushing himself hard Jim to go in that direction. I will say that cam is less of a rebound and more of a Band-Aid to Max. Wow, odds are stacked against Max. He the Healer needs healing and in his position now his partner in crime. He's been working with her as a sheriff. So they've probably been in situations where she's had his back and taking the bullet for me. It's scary what's going to happen? Because you know it could um, All the different way, but as of now she is his conduit. She is his Insider who's not an alien who is on his side who is going to help heal the wound of Liz leaving him for Kyle. I mean, we'll see. We'll see how that plays out. I did like how you said it's not the Escape or the rebound but abandoned man, that's really good. Great stuff. Does this cam? No Max, isn't he an alien in separate scenes? Let's look at the beginning the middle. And the end of this episode beginning scene. I felt that cam was viewing Max as a player as a player. Oh, yeah, because she went off on him. She went off he joined your date. He ran off with Liz so she's like, oh you play me you're gonna have to make up with it with the dinner and wine date something a little more high end towards the middle. I felt like she was joking. She still said no regular case and he is and just don't worry. I wrote that one down Okay, so Tequila and three orgasms you once three of them which again we see some requests the queso tequila churro pancakes. Are we stretching a little bit because they are they are in Roswell, New Mexico so are so it's a New Mexico New Mexican lifestyle, which they're trying to insinuate and show. All right. So what will give it a pass there the second scene you see I felt a growing suspicion but still not completely. It was no second scene that I she She stood up to Master Sergeant Barnes. Yeah, and she kind of played it off. Oh, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, but why are you covering? If you don't know something? Yeah, there was a she knows fishing, but she you know, Janet Cameron strikes me as a very smart person. So in the last scene where she saw the handprint and it all connected, I'm like, oh no she knows she knows she knows the handprint, right Jim. She's a badass and so many ways. She's clever smart and you can tell when they're together. She's kind of running the show. He's Are playing the the backseat when I heard they're doing anything. She always even in previous episodes. You know, when those guys those drunk guys at they were shooting the gun and the can't like she took charge and she takes charge of every situation that there with I'm she might be hiding his secret in a way. Maybe she knows she got come for I think maybe it got confirmed with the what the yeah. I told her welcome for lightning print. Yes. Hey got confirmed yet. He had to have had a an inkling something is going on. But that confirmed it at least to a degree to a higher degree. I feel like I was actually very intrigued that Cameron at served. Yeah, I think that kind of gives her puts on a level with Alex right that they're both look exactly like a local Town Hero. No one knew because not only is Cam kind of new to the town, but she hadn't even advertise it to the point where Master Sergeant Barnes had no idea but it gives her character more credibility that she even now kept it in and she didn't announce said she's got a lot of a lot of good qualities that I kind of Pride and toughness to her dad. She doesn't go around and advertise and I kind of liked that about her. I'm glad her character got more shine this episode through the locket. She became another one of my very likeable character very likeable. I've always liked her another. She was in The Originals as Freya the oldest sister and I always just kind of liked her what I mean, but Isabelle is how I didn't really just I just don't taik to her. I did really take to this. That's a seamless click exactly. It's something that I like about I like about her. I don't know exactly what it is. Maybe it's not even just just Riley volt. Khalil is her name. It's not just looks it's just his career me. There's an energy to her. She says she's places toughness. You can tell through her acting like she knows how to portray strength and power. Yeah, and with good look because usually character like that someone that looks that good can be misconstrued as like, oh she just a pretty face. Are we shipping Cam and Max? Is there something there? Is there what we want or because clearly we're going Liz cam is the way to go right? I mean Liz Max, what are we calling Max Liz what? Calling that will go well your college. I had I had the had the limb Max because it sounds like flavorful so Lomax, right? So we're shipping lemax, but what about the helium atoms? Such a rider die. Can I dare something but up until the scene where she's drinking wine with main. I'm like, oh because when she stood up and I saw your reaction to run out you were taking it back how she was like, yes, sir. So right away there was this tension and then earlier in the episode you're saying Oh Max email from mine wine. And here you are with main drinking Master Sergeant Barnes. Yep, so I'm thinking maybe a my is there a twisty or she going to roll off of Max now that she suspect I don't think there's such a sexual interest with Master Sergeant Barnes and Cameron doesn't come off as one with daddy issues. I think that there is a hierarchy that is programmed into you. Yes, and is respected and is Noble when you Irv, and there is some type of authority respect that she gives him that even better read and I feel that's going to be the breaking point of Cam and Max especially as he needs her he needs her so you can get I mean let's let's talk about their interaction because that one came up twice in the beginning where she wants him to respect her as she mentions be serving in order to gain that respect. Yes in I'm also a I'm also a vet. I've been through it. I know get that connection. And then later of course Master Sergeant Barnes comes in and does what he always does tries to blackmail her with Charlie who we need to find out more about who is Charlie. I don't know we I didn't get a clear understanding of the truth who Charlie is now and what his itches. It sounds like a drug problem of some sort could be in my opinion cams little brother. That's what I was thinking. Hello brother now, which is why she would We understand why Isabelle and Max are so close because she has her own little brother in a situation that goes on that's what I was getting but we didn't get that you no one else would be as important to her. She could really be in jail. Yeah. It's got to be a family member has to be something in that nature. Let's get the max and Isabel. We've talked about a little but let's get really into that meat of Max and Isabel. One thing very interesting to me is that Max didn't know Isabel's power that what that caught me so off. Yeah weird. And the only thing I that I can conclude is that maybe Max doesn't know Isabel's power because Isabel's been hiding it from Maxwell clearly. That's what it is. Yeah, she didn't want and acts to know about her initial thing with Liz and hiding it because of the little exactly because it'll is situation. So she's sitting here thinking like, oh, I'm about to play Max he can't know and I'm doing it for his better best interest because she's been playing regardless of this weird connection, which will hopefully find out she does Play this older sister protective role to Max and part of that is not letting him know the power so she could control his environment around him. I mean, I just thought it was weird that yeah, and he wasn't more inquisitive. How when did you find out? How did you know you had how come you never brought this up to me before she just asked about I mean what everyone Max is just so passive and in this situation Jim you hate that you just don't like Max. He's so Bolivia. Yes, so Kyle, huh? And we didn't get a lot of Michael this episode. We got my goal, but we didn't get in the Michael. Especially we didn't get any Michael Michael Alig Noel had all just disappeared and now you're reintroduced reintroducing the Ascension then again, we didn't see any of Noah either so we didn't see any of we had an illusion when Maria was reading Isabel's hand to the husband which was a hole deep, but we haven't really getting it and gotten into the Noah situation except for last week. I thought Did anyone else feel something between Michael and Maria there was like a little bit of flirt could have been and maybe she's oblivious to the fact, but maybe we maybe he did I sexual I don't beat doesn't have to be could have been something like high school maybe years ago. I'm thinking nothing recent. It felt like there was something I felt something. I'd love to know if you guys at home felt a little little something and remember I we love hearing your comments on everything. We discuss you are very much a part of this panel as much as we are if not more so Let's talk a little Max and Kyle. We talked about their confrontation at the hospital. Let's that's not the only conversation. They really had they had another confrontation when Kyle walks out a Liz's which from a protest from a production standpoint was painstaking to watch the fruit the predictable framing on that low angle, like they're totally isolated and now they're going to walk into each other whoever was on set and said, okay now walk. It was just so obvious. How did they not see each other from before like all of a sudden? Oh, well, he's so bad. Well, here's the thing George. We know that Max is such a creep because he's always around Liz think he's doing that. He's always around. So there's no doubt that he be around her place the the crashdown café by the way good to good name for a place where the scene actually because the did crash down. But yeah now he's like stalking in a sense Kyle wherever Kyle is Max shows up. That's what I think in this case. It was where Liz was and Max true shows up. So they were in a bedroom. Is that attached a - she got a plan? Okay, so that's weird. Is that also where the father resides? Yes, because I found it very interesting that one second. Kyle's in the hospital trying to help your dad and the next second. He's trying to have or having sex. Well that we get there. We'll get to those Max. We'll talk about that but the concept of the confrontation between between Kyle and Max and their talk and they had this very important talk. We're why Kyle became a doctor as for the glory he watched his father be a whore a hero and then I called him a whore because of what happened with Rosa but father be a hero and he wanted the glory and then boom what but that's not why you became a cop is it and challenging his manhood constantly and he but here but he admits it and says no, so what is his motive? That's what do you guys think is his motive I'm asking y'all because I really don't know what this pain Max is motive. For all this I guess is maybe the hope the long-standing hope that Liz will come around and that he's kind of no, I'm not playing a long game that long were Liz. We don't know this guy you've been desperate for her for years, but I'm doing that it's not just is it to run? Would you suspect that is a sense of guilt that hey. I'm an alien and alien killed this person or impact the community. I think I may try to make the gating or I'm going to help but in a very Jim you And he's very passive. Yeah, I'm passively helping because I'm a cop. I originally saw participant Injustice, but there's something deeper and I can't wait to find out what that deeper is really need to know. Well, let's talk about something. We've been waiting to talk about Kyle and Liz. Hey, I'm going to start as a mop boy. First of all props to you Kyle out there. I knew this moment was going to happen so proud so proud of this guy man. This is my guy and he finally delivered on what I've been saying all along this was gonna happen. If you're the creep Jack, have you ever thought about that moment my guy calling from day one? I knew him and Liz got a thing together. She just can't listen Kyle is the good doctor that is his house Nick doctor, but he's a very attractive man takes off his shirt just caramel and Liz a shirt off quicker than its. I mean, he's good-looking. It's a it's an attraction for sure physically. Is there an emotional attraction she trusts him she Him and she says to Kyle you make me feel safe. Yeah, and she says to mechs you make me feel terrified good writing good writing that hold on. Let's examine that safe and terrified safe maybe love but it's not in love terrified feels like within loved all the others. So let's talk about a real quick there and maybe that is why she keeps branching like Kyle's the obvious answer almost in some situations for yes, but she keeps sneaking off to Max to run good read. They exactly that's I'm terrified of stuff sobral in the booth. Yeah. Well that went over my head. She never makes me feel safe. So the so that's true and the safety could be And a beer goes down, but but you do see that there's a bet there's a history. We learned that today. There's a history where in high school they were in an actual relationship. So when we knew that they were dating that was his her high school sweetheart in episode 1 and 2. No it was that deep where the father had a thing against him and stuff like that exactly. There was some sort of Kyle starting to appear to be the Sin, with everything shifting and changing around Liz Kyle's the constant and that's why she feels safe and Kyle is now starting. I can't I only say good job doctor. He starts saying Kyle. Kyle is starting to seem like the better choice. Yes, obviously, that's a good doctor has hurt you your shipping shipping can't believe I'm saying it called it. I think that Kyle understood and used the situation. With Liz knew that she was vulnerable. Hey, he's not motivated. He did he was like look, this is how you are. We're grown-ups. Let's get it in now. He'd be Brian didn't say that. I didn't he said we're going up. So let's let's just say it'll be a cool thing. Yeah, she was on board with n plus they've known as didn't bring it up. Kyle brought it up Liz it took a second of convincing. It didn't take that long. It wasn't that much but there was Kyle just said, hey, we're grown-ups. We should get it in. It'll get Mind off, it'll pass time. Let's do it butter on Liz initiate it in the car few episodes ago. Remember she first came out when she first came back. So now he can do it. I mean she already showed her cards back then we're steaming that's how consent Works jump naughty. That's clearly. Let's be very Frank Liz gave consent in the situation and was a willing and more amazing participant and so was Kyle because she compliments him. I might have to retract my shipping because sieron just reminded me the line that was used was let's this will help time pass exact time pass exactly. It's you know, there's a lot going on. So what's going on also includes the fact that Max comes in shortly after that and predictably no comes in and we know Max knows more about what's going on, but here Liz doesn't say anything and this actually this was one of those times where Liz doesn't say what just happened they Her and Kyle Just Had Sex. She knows how Max feels Max brings up his feelings and says I need to know how you feel and she still holds back bam. She crush him crushing. That was it. She took it out. That was a gut punch right there because here's the guy spilling out his cards again at that keeps on going through the theory that Max is a pushover. He gives it away again. I love you, and she just like well I can't do that that just tells if that happens in a relationship any sort of thing. It's game over that is a game is over. So I felt if you see her body language, she's saying no, but she didn't move a little towards him and I think that that's a lyric in a song. That's lyric and it's not where we have daycare. Let's not bring up that song but body's telling me that song doesn't exist. So on Spotify least so when she's saying that the reason why I'm interpreting she's holding back is because she isn't It's all about Rosa here. It's not about her not wanting Max per se it's her loyalty to her sister and her Mission she brings up. I'm observing. I'm finding facts. She brings that she almost blurred set out because she's letting her subconscious surface. We aren't reconciled until I know for sure and I believe you 100% that you're telling the truth about my sister and that I know what happened to my sis. Well, we know that Liz has the ever consummate investigator. She is going to find out eventually what And to Rosa she's investigating. She's getting clues. She's going to stay. I don't like the back and forth of her staying and leaving Roswell as you can see how much like you're going to stay. Your Dad's sick. Come on. We know you're going to say what I did not know is that Michael was going to flat out say I'm going to take the charge. Thank you. I don't have anything Goin you guys have so much. I'm going to take the charge and then says flat-out besides. I'm the one that killed Rosa did he was he just hitting that to make the Believe it. That's what I'm asking like did that that's like admitting to something that you know, you're not guilty of just for the sake of like, I don't know wearing the situation. I don't know there might be another there might be another alien out there. We have to find out. Yeah, I don't think he killed him. I just don't I was kind of a reaction like, okay, I'm gonna take Exile kill like eat there's no there's no thought to there's no sensitivity to it was just a reactive kind of response. He's taking one. For the team, so I don't know like all the rebel the Bad Boys more of a stand-up dude than we thought. He was find out one thing. I didn't believe we're a couple the stereotypes churro pancakes the Kid Ink and pieces of social commentary of George you brought up the paper towels and the all live. Mr. All lives matter. There was a couple pieces which we are of course used to on the CW we need to have a discussion if we feel that the CW does this too much or not enough, but that's going to be for a future show where it's very very heavy what we are going to do in this shows bring up our specials. Mean and which we pick a scene which made us hate the most. Let's start with George this scene that made me hate what the most anything. They just made me angry the most seen that just made me angry such a well produced show poor production call on saying okay, you walk go and making it so predictable when when Kyle and Max walk into each other totally took me out of the show. And in fact, I almost felt like Was like a producer on set assisting and almost telling them walk now. I did not like that at all Jim. I didn't like math continuing being a creep and just like let the Liz situation would Kyle happen, but no you have to be in front of the door. So traumatic on freaking for confrontation again, he's just he's just asking for it. He's literally asking for it constantly and then he got gut punch by Liz for spreading his love he did but job was to see That made me the most angry not the fact that Liz rejected Max not the fact that she denied his love but the fact that she had just had sex with the high up to Max. I was so mad. Like Kyle's dick is still on my grass and you're just talking a Mac and a close close proximity like it's nothing like he don't want Hair Shine doesn't so angry. I was mad Savage moves. Average homeboys Tehran wall, I agree with you and you know, I might be on your side of the court now for that being the worst scene. I'm just going to defend Liz and say that because you can't defend our we don't have time predictions. Let's jump into predictions. What's going to happen in the next episode or two George? I'll tell you what's gonna happen. Jenna. Karen is turning on Max completely. She's joining forces with the sergeant and his Forefront and I do think that Kyle and Liz are going to have a deeper level. They're going to go into deeper Dimension the relationship my boy he is I thought Harvey Dent all along the Good Samaritan that eventually is going to go bad and right. Now we're getting the good doctor version of him. Kyle is the Cog of this show. I'm telling you. He's the key to everything going on right now because she's key can turn I think we're going to see good. Dr. Kyle Harvey Dent version to face coming soon. You bringing up Harvey Dent. I did like the imagery of the girl who is in love with Bruce but chooses Harvey because he's safe even though she's in love with the other person. I would say that we get more secrets to come out. I think Michael does not actually Get the chance to confess. I think that I think that we see a lot more of Isabel and Maria. I think that storyline isn't over because we did see that and I'm starting to believe Maria as a psychic in some ways because of her read on Isabelle and saying you're afraid your husband doesn't want to he wants to have kids but your kids might turn out. I told y'all don't sleep strong and I also think that this show doesn't get a second season at least not the way it's going right now not yet fully even though Ratings are decent. Hopefully the show goes in a better direction for the next let me clarify that I do hope that that happens. I want to see another definitely this and I want to be on the same panel with y'all. We're gonna have a lot of storyline where can people find you if you want to be found find me at mr. 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Hosts Tehran Von Ghasri, Jim Alexander, and George Khouri discuss Roswell New Mexico Season 1 Episode 4 “Where have all the cowboys gone” as we learn much more about Rosa’s story, Kyle makes Max save the day, Cam is using her detective skills, and Kyle and Liz meet up after dark. All that and more. Stay Tuned. ROSWELL'S BACK!!!! We're so excited to have our favorite show back, so join the hosts each week break it down! From the past to the present, we'll bring insight and more to each episode. Join us for character discussions, plot breakdowns, and insider news and gossip! Subscribe and Comment to stay up to date on all things Roswell New Mexico! After a decade away from home, Liz Ortecho returns to her native Roswell to care for her ailing father. When she arrives, she reconnects with her high school crush Max Evans, who is now a police officer. Their chemistry is electric, but Liz soon learns something shocking: Max and his siblings are aliens who have kept their abilities secret their entire lives. As they grow closer, Liz struggles to keep the truth from her best friend Maria, and her high school ex, Dr. Kyle Valenti, but concealing the siblings' true identities is more important than ever, as a long-standing government conspiracy and the politics of fear and hatred threaten their lives. 