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We're going to get into the facts the rumors and what we think this means for the future of Spider-Man movies today on Marvel movie news during movie this guy. We talk moving and here's pop corn stalks Marvel movie news. Good afternoon to you how our merry Marvel lights. I do not apologize for that cold open. How dare you use that Korean? Thank you all for joining us on this auspicious day for Marvel fans everywhere. I know I'm we'll get into all that in a moment, but To introduce ourselves for anybody who might just be here for the first time looking for we need the news on Spider-Man when you do is about the pictures of Spider-Man. They should go to the Daily Bugle dotnet if they want news about Spider-Man. It's there's nothing there. There will be there will be but but who will be designer who will be the creative force behind that site. I'm Zach Wilson Christian Blatz over there on the far end. Hi everybody. I'm a Sony shareholder. So I'm very excited about this next. I'm a Disney shareholder. Perfect. Are you guys getting all these chairs tell me your secret. This is not a joke. I got them for my bar. Mitzvah. That's awesome. Great calves and I have any good gifts for my birthday like that guy had them so long there. It's in a physical stock certificate. That's awesome. Amazing. That's so cool Anderson. Hello. That does not make me a shell for Disney. Although I guess it could it could my the the Revenue that I get from that is about the cost of the blue one blue ray year. So I just pump it right back into the company. So you're basically just giving them your money. Yeah, but well no, they give it back to me and then I give him a little bit back. It's a cycle. It's a never-ending Ouroboros of Disney products. But today we are going to be breaking down the obviously big news that reportedly Sony is breaking off ties with Disney and the MCU. When it comes to Spider-Man rights, if this is news to you, you must have not been on the internet this week. The internet is collectively losing its mind right now. Yeah, some would say the internet didn't have a mind to begin with. Thank you. That's fair. It's a fair break down but you for saying it's yeah, let's take a look at this weird because like we've got some other news talk about but this is like the big story of the week and there's a lot of confusion because you've got different sources you got different. Besides giving you different information because the majority of the stuff that you've read on this is rumor is speculation or leaks. I've I then read or heard something else so that this is the whatever the source leaked it jumped the gun because just because they haven't come to an agreement doesn't mean that they aren't still talking. Yeah, that things aren't still pot. There's not the possibility of a deal coming. Yes, Emma. And so deadline was the first one to leak the news they have the exclusive that like, I don't You know how exclusive work in the Press it's very confusing. But because everyone reported as just like deadline reports, right, but so deadline was the first one to report it and what they said is that Disney came to the table because they need to negotiate new Spider-Man rights after far from home. Right and what it came down to was Disney wanted 50% of they wanted to 50% co-financing deal was what was what that means. So do they put 50% in to get 50% out? Actually, so co-financing deal means that they would put in 50% of the budget and they would take 50% of the profits per box office. Now, there's tons of other things that go into that where you've got like distribution fees and who distributes the movie and who pays for unlike everything else that goes around it now Disney already gets 100% of the merchandising because they own the merchandise. Yes. Tony only Odes the movie properties. Yes, exactly. Even when it was The Amazing Spider-Man or the original Raimi Trilogy Marvel was before it was Disney, but Marvel retained all of the profits from Toy sales poster sales comp like all the comics that even movie tie-in comic maybe there was some little bit different in movie tie-ins, but merchandising didn't he gets all those profits. So Sony balked at 50% and that that's way too high of an asking price and what this That number has since been the in the Press has been walked back today. There was some reports that said that that was wrong initially in Disney ask for 30% That's still a huge stake. But whether it's 50 or 30 that is a significant difference. It's very least lie. Now what from what I understand of the part of the reason that these negotiations had to happen and why Disney was asking for so much. Is that Sony wanted to lock? Kin, Kevin feige as the produce as a producer creative producer for these homes while he was on the first two and basically Disney didn't want to let him do that with because they don't own the property and Kevin's this is this is what I really loved about. This is that base basically paints Kevin feige as the most valuable producer of all time, right? This is the first time I've ever heard of a company dealing with a producer. They would a star. This is like old Hollywood style thing when you had like when you had actors on contract and they couldn't go work for other Studios without being like lent out. It was like a baseball team where you have to like negotiate for trades or things like that with actors that has to make you feel it's that has to be such a weird feeling that you're like, I'm not even a person at this point. I'm basically just at and something that someone has ownership over like they're negotiating my services. Do you think he gets a say in that at all this point he's under contract with this guy doesn't even matter. Yeah. Yeah, I think the to your points like they probably broke down to here's how much an hour of feige's time is worth. He would spend X number of hours on a Spider-Man movie. Whereas we'd rather he spend that on phases five six and seven. And of course, he's phase eight which were all very excited. Yeah. Well, that's what Sony was saying is they said Kevin this was the official statement says the official statement was will Kevin feige is too busy to work with us on this project. They look just look at the next two years for Marvel Studios, right? Not even Marvel television, but Marvel Studios has 10 projects releasing in 2020 and 2021 between all the Disney Plus shows and all the dishes and all the movies that's 10 things that Kevin feige is ostensibly the creative producer on and that's a lot to handle and Sony wants somebody who is going to be more Hands-On with the project and Kevin feige doesn't necessarily have the bandwidth and Disney. Doesn't want to let their Golden Boy producer go over and work on something that they're not going to get any of the profit from yes. They'll get merchandising and everything, but they get that no more getting that. Anyway. Yeah, it does not matter to them. They need a financial incentive for to lend out what they see it. Basically Kevin feige is as valuable as Robert Downey jr. If not more. So at this point for for a movie like he is collectively made them. This is the think about this Kevin feige has made for Disney just in box office. Gross numbers twenty six and a half billion dollars. That is what I'm seeing. You has Chris brought in under Kevin feige's Rule. And so that's why Disney is being super protective of him now doesn't make sense. I guess you're my question to you and and to like the chat you guys look like let me know what you're thinking. Does that warrant 50% of the of the Spider-Man profits. I mean if they're Putting in fifty percent of the budget also. I mean that's not I guess completely unfair but 50% does seem like a lot. Yeah, and I mean look twenty six and a half billion dollars is great. But that barely offsets all the all the money that they've lost on, you know Pirates of the Caribbean movies and things like that but has lost them more money than Kevin feige has made but the the sort of bigger picture. I think that yeah, I mean look, I think that Sony's belief is without Disney involved. We still would have made a couple of pretty good movies and we would have made some money. Yeah, and we don't think that they're responsible. For half of it, you know, I think if it's true in a lot of this is rumor almost all of its rimmer if Sony had offered them 30% that's just staggering in and of itself, you know, that's so much and I mean if Sony offers you 30% but I don't think that that's true that the rumor was that Disney ask for 30 Pastor 30 now the yeah, so there's two conflicting Riders first. It was the Disney went into the negotiation saying we want 50% the more the today today's news from a difference. Source or the same kind of qualifying this is all rumors so we can only go on what we've heard is that they didn't ask for 50 they ask for 30 Sony's counter. By the way, it was V right V for ninth grade wasn't five what they already had. I thought or I've seen conflicting reports of them. I my understanding is that it was not. Okay Disney did not get any money from the actual box office Buck Sony had offered them 5% of first-dollar gross, right and I think that term gets thrown out a lot but first Our gross is the money made on the first day of release. That's the way I understand it something like that. This is you just not even collectively. It's just the first day you get 5% of that and that's it. No that that's no I think it's like box up like profit like what all the money that comes in on the initial release so look, right. These are all deep contract specifics that like even that term has tons of different like things about it. That would all get broken down in different ways. We could this this isn't a movie industry podcast. Like we just want to Fan out here you guys but the like this is this is the complicated thing when it comes to these movie rights. But so anyway, so Tony offered with that Disney rejected it and basically walked from negotiations from from everything. We understand Sony put out the statement that said that Kevin feige's just too busy. We didn't want the we didn't want to do this, but Disney's asking too much if I just too busy, so we're going to keep going Around and that's the important thing to remember is that they can this doesn't mean they're going to reboot Spider-Man Tom Holland still has one more movie on his contract with Sony with Sony. Did you see that Tom Holland on followed Sony. So we were just talking before the show about how that didn't really happen didn't really happen. Okay, you're saying that he did but I never fathered larious. But if he had that would have been very few would have been so fun. Me but it's not true and passing on my way here and I was like, oh, that's great and be looking at the road when you drive here that and even if it was true, it would be dumb. Right exactly. By the way to be just as dumb if you stop following Disney, you know, he just he's just like hey, I'm out of this. You know, what I got to do. I'll show up on the set that would actually hilarious videos on followed both of them like Mom and Dad are gonna fight. I'm just staying. Yeah, that's true. You know what that is. It's the end of Far From Home. Yeah exactly. You know what, baby? Most sad about this news what I heard it. I might the first thing I like one of the first things I said to the people around me after I saw the news was like, oh this means that Opt-out you guys actually what I've said, my wife was like, oh no more happy. That's all that really mattered. Because you know, we didn't need anymore Nick Fury in the next Spider-Man movie. I don't think we need anybody in all honesty from where the way that story is heading. I think that's going to confuse the story to have a lot of MCU people in it's just happy exhibit just happy. I really wanted happy. Yeah, but so this is the other thing that like we need to take all this with a sort of grain of salt is that none of this is like final final Right, these were initially leaks and so near only responded an official statement because the internet flipped out at them and people were like signing petitions if we're going to storm Sony boycott Sony like their stock took a point. Oh six percent dip that I'm pretty sure had nothing to do with this that seems like a very small amount to yeah people were like report. I saw headlines only stock tips when I clicked on his like this is less than half a percent. What are you you doing and look the the point in this to look at it in a show business standpoint a Sony should really get their secrecy, you know, there are security protocols under control because boy, we sure know an awful lot about Sony from the last five years ago that we were never supposed to see information still creeps out email Social Security number so it's just like, you know what and then like the kind that like Mission Impossible the old TV version where they could burst into flames after you read Because we're all finding these things out. So like a howler. They just figure out how large they just got to communicate over Snapchat you guys then it goes away goes away, but you can still screencap those and you know, we're getting some breaking news from Ryan in the booth that you seem to understand it. And I don't so it's found out that the other Sony movie that Tom Hollands working at working on is Uncharted. It just lost yet another director with Dan tracking where he just stepped out of that. That's the out another Sony Tom Holland trauma, or you know, what now he is going on. Follow the money Instagram I take it back because if you like Sony or screwed me over. Yeah, that guy's that projects had a number of problems. It's a video game movie clips always have problems. Never good. Why can't they make a good video game movie Why also Uncharted is is a is a weird one to do because it's basically if Lara Croft was the female answer to Indiana Jones Uncharted is like what if we made a male Lara Croft wait, that's a great idea, but that's that's a great game. But that's what I'm charting. It is. So be a good movie if they just did it, right anyway, yeah. Anyway, anyway, so back to Spider-Man. Where do we go from here and like is actually before we get into Where Do We Go From Here I want to talk about like does this make sense? And who do we blame for this for this falling apart? And I took apart the numbers like as I did my best to do the math on like does it make sense for Sony to turn down 50% because obviously this move like far from home is their best selling but their highest box office gross of any movie they have ever done, correct. I did read that. Yes. It is their number of not by a ton to be honest. But like it's only a couple million over but it is their number one and their movies before before this didn't get there. So how much is Disney and Kevin feige Worth to the Spider-Man franchise and to Sony because if you're splitting profits, like like look half a billion dollars is nothing to shake. But if you break if you're breaking things like down and you're splitting profitable and you're splitting budget. So basically I looked at Amazing Spider-Man 2, which was a disappointment, but it was Sony's like last effort before Marvel had to step in and help them out that made seven hundred and eight million dollars which because this is Hollywood was a disappointment. But it made 700 million dollars it the the Bears a couple different numbers I saw on the budget but let's say 200 million dollars. They spent a lot on that movie which Nets Tony roughly 500 million dollars the might be a little less depending on if they spent 293 on it, which I also saw literally in the same document and I don't know what which was right and I'm sure Dane DeHaan had a huge contract on that movie The so, you know, they probably ate up a lot of the budget and I'm sure he was the guy who played Harry Osborn I love that, you know his name. I know his face. Oh boy. I hate both of them to the numbers. So when that so then we look at home coming home coming cost less. Maybe Disney was just more frugal homecoming only cost about everything was a hundred and sixty knows a hundred seventy five million dollars. Wow to produce and again, I'm not involved. I'm not including marketing piece. I just printed advertising anything else because I don't have those numbers. They're not as easily accessible as budget and box office and is all you have to go if you split the budget a seven and a half million for each one of them the box office on homecoming was 880 million. So a hundred eighty million more but it's not just a clean 90 million dollar difference for each one of your splitting it basically so Disney and Sony would each net roughly 350 million dollars. So Sony would take 350 million on a 800 almost 900 million dollar movie versus a 500 million dollar profit on a 700 million dollar movie Sony makes more even though the movie May less. So at that point you're like why why would you give away your why would you give away a hundred fifty million dollars? Yeah, it is. We'll just fight you worth a hundred fifty million dollars you might as well just get Andrew Garfield back, you know, and that's what we do it to us by The Amazing Spider-Man 3. But yeah, I think that you know if these numbers are real and we've heard so many rumors. There's 30% 50% any of that. It's like will know we as Sony aren't going to make as much money and like to see this point. It's like well, what's Disney doing? What are they kicking in other than in terms of you know, intellectual property and you have development and things like that getting to let us use characters who can show up, you know? Yeah, they are, you know, it's like I'm sorry, Maria Hill is not going to be in the next Spider-Man movie. That's all right. I'm still going to go see it. But now here's the here's where it gets interesting because far from home obviously made tons more money now, I think that got a boost from endgame. Look you were coming right out of the biggest box office movie of all time. And this was the epilogue and it was very beloved character. And you had like all kinds of factors that were leading into this. So you got a boost far from home got a boost that way and it got it's up to just a bit. It's probably going to come close to one point two billion by the time it leaves theaters, especially with the re-release that is coming in September side news. Sony is going to re-really Spider-Man far from home Labor Day weekend with four extra minutes of footage, you know, people are going to go see that and by people do you mean me and probably yeah. This one is going to from what I understand be different from the endgame re-release, which I did not see. Yeah, but you didn't get to see that Hulk seen amazing what it does have into this is an actual edited new edited version of the movie. It's not just hey we stuck some Deleted stuff on the end it is we had four extra minutes of action scenes. They think they're saying and they edited an Extended Cut of the movie. So you're actually seeing a different movie people. It's that seemed from the trailer where he says to the cops like a sorry. I'm just so busy doing your guys job for you, you know, and that's a good sequence of these part of it part of it. Yeah. You tell me why we keep talking about this in the Trap. Will you go see far from home again over Labor Day weekend? To see these extra four minutes or will you wait for a home release to see these scene, which is probably not that far off at this point. No Dave. I expect we're looking at a Holiday release for far from home. Yeah. So yeah, yes or no. Will you go see this again? Well hear thunder God Cairo says 70 70 says no one is going to that re-release now. I mean this new shouldn't change anybody's mind. If you were going to go see it. You would still you would then not see but that is a good point there might be some backlash. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, but I guess that's the question and it took you know for ya though. You actually have a lot of people so Jennifer yard says I'm in but you have a lot of no I want to know there's a lot of people have a lot of no, not really sorry and although there's an F. No, thanks nougat by the way, you get good. But yeah, and I guess that is a good way to look at this though. It's like it seems like people are believing so many for this and you know, you can you can blame Sony if you want to but you should certainly Only also blamed is day they're asking for a lot of money that they haven't asked for previously. And remember what did Disney get out of this deal? They got to put arguably their most popular character into Civil War Infinity war and end game. So he's in three movies that he would not have been in if they didn't make this deal and say the two they kick any of that box office gross over to Sony. I know the answer is no so it's not like they didn't gain from this deal and so I can see them wanting to Go she ate it but Mr. Marvel / Disney has really come out ahead on this deal. You know, I think they've done great for themselves now. I'm wondering so I so with far from home just while we're before we get too far away from this numbers talk with the 1.2 billion dollars. I ran the I ran those numbers through my through my data calculator here and what what it would be if it was 50% what would it be of those 30% of the bar from home rights? And if it's 50% Sony and Disney both net 520 million dollars now, that's up again. So neon Amazing Spider-Man 508 so it's more its clubs, but it's more but you're still giving up but see you're still saying to Disney. Here's 500 million dollars at theoretically we could make and you have to justify that to your shareholders. You have to justify that the creative difference was enough that you're not going to make it to that level again in the next go around. Well, that's the thing. I feel like a lot of the These movies did so well is a because I mean you can say that yes Spider-Man got to be in the Disney movies. But how many people were then? Like? Oh, this is actually good. Let me now check out check out these movies that Sony made that they would not have. Yeah because they saw how great Spiderman was and movies like Civil War and things like that and a 30% Sony cayennes that 30% Sony would take 760 million versus Disney taking 280 and that starts to make a little bit more sense because now you've gotten more than the entire like box office now, It sounds like without a leak. Maybe that's where they were headed and they feel closer to my wonder my thought because the that number starts to make more sense to me, but I wonder if Disney was refusing certain other asks from Sony because we had we did here a few months ago that Sony wanted to put Venom into Spider-Man 3 or maybe 4 or like whatever was they wanted to incorporate Venom into the MCU. I don't not like that idea. I don't like that idea. Well, here's the thing. I don't think that it is impossible. But I think retroactively putting the movie Into the MCU has a lot of like problems and Venom was almost made to be clean in that way. It wouldn't be the worst thing. I wouldn't be angry about it, but I'm not excited about it either. I think they could bring the character in the way that Deadpool be brought in. You know, I think I think if they did it right it'll be fine. Yeah, if they do it badly, of course, it's a terrible idea. Yeah, but I'm but I'm thinking but especially with who knows what the script for Carnage looks like for them. To it. Maybe that's just not what Disney wants in their MCU. Right? It also means that yeah, so that's all in going to be interesting and complicated but now we get into where did this fall apart if like maybe it's Disney wanted Spider-Man and more MCU movies that like Sony and so remember somebody doesn't get any of the Avengers movie prophets like that. Spider-Man is in it and get it didn't see a dime from end game except for what fed? Too far from home and you think that that sounds like a symbiotic relationship but that may have been part of the negotiations as well as like well if we're going to do 30% you've you have to use Venom in the MCU. I was like, well, we're not going to do that. Well, okay, then this is done. We want Spider-Man to lead the new Avengers movie coming in 2023. We don't want to do that because we want to release our spider and movie in 2023 well, but there's a million different factors that might have gone into To it, even if the numbers started to make sense. That's what to me. That's the biggest loss here is we won't get a spidey in what I'm picturing to be new Avengers. Yeah, I mean that I guess the that leads to sort of the idea of we do we think that this deal is salvageable and I think that even if they stay apart and then this next Spider-Man will be comes out you feel like it's something that will get figured out. In time. Yeah, I think it will I still think that they'll fix this I do and I think that regardless Disney is going to be fine. Like nobody is going to stop going to the it'll be like, oh, yeah, it's a bummer. We're not going to get Spider-Man these movies, but did anybody think that the MCU would not be? No, but like that's like it and and the in reality here Disney's kind of has that is coming out on top no matter what it's really Sony that people might actually maybe not go see the movies because they're like, oh, maybe they won't Be as good before I continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram if I'm done. So already be sure to download the Spotify app search for a popcorn talk on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow us. So you never miss an episode of popcorn talk. Do you really think that as many people would have gone to see the movies after the Andrew Garfield movies? I mean, you mean besides me who liked Amazing Spider-Man today I did too but so many people doing that. I would have gone to see it anyway, but I feel like a lot of people wouldn't have because he lies is completely different without Disney's involvement. Yeah. I definitely agree with that the Spider-Man Yeah, yeah, he's last to it, you know if they just came out independently and let's say they were essentially the same story. Obviously. Tony Stark's not going to be you can you know, but essentially it's like this one's vulture. This one is sort of Mysterio the you know, I think that the movies could have been made just as well but I don't know people would have been as excited we leading up to it. I think they would have had to rely a lot more and Word of Mouth. Well so with Sony if here's the differences Sony is going to go for like a more big-name director. You wouldn't have had John. I don't think he'd got you two have gone with this sort of like like like high school. Lie like very what's the what's the name? I'm thinking that Pretty in Pink is John John Hughes. Thank you. I got with the Watson my head it through my brain off, but I don't think he'd got your you have gone with this John Hughes Vibe. I think that probably was something that came from feige and so I but but now so here's the question now you're on this path that basically Sony has a roadmap they have John Watts is not signed on to direct the next one and from everything. I'm reading. He's getting a lot of offers because he just made a billion dollars on the movie but I don't imagine he would be opposed to directing Spider-Man 3 even if it doesn't involve even maybe it's tough without foggy because if I use the one who brought him in but if they can get John Watts back if you get the same director to finish out his Trilogy get Tom Holland back the the story that they were getting. Ready to tell about Spider-Man getting out it like that doesn't need to have other MCU characters in it necessarily you can do that in you could do an insular story with Spider-Man like Mary like, I'm sorry, MJ J Jonah Jameson who you've now got introduced here like flash like those characters create a world. You could do it like yes, you had Nick Fury and Maria Hill is like the sort of this like slide into it, but the squirrels don't need to come back in the next story. Yeah, and you could just focus This in on Peter and keep it clean without going into the outer world. You could yeah, you absolutely could and I think that there's probably people at Sony who are like, you know, what we don't we don't need any of that and I'll honestly they're like that's gonna distract from the story that we're looking to tell lets, you know, we don't we don't need to have a cameo from war machine in that movie. You know, it's fine. We'll be okay without it. So, you know and it doesn't necessarily need that. I almost like em fine without I don't even in the MCU. I'm sorry like yeah don't don't like you offhandedly mentioned it but I'm cool with it not being said. Yeah, and and like you said if Maria Hills not in it or or any I mean even Nick Fury, you know Spider-Man. I'm still going to be excited. No. Yeah, we're still we're all still going to see it you guys the question is like how much of the like what's it like outside the the clergy? JP. Yeah, the the normal two devoted. Yeah, I mean obviously you're going to people who see these movies in there. Like they don't know the involvement of Disney versus Sony and the last two verses of the previous five, you know, they know sure he was in an Avengers movie but they you know, this is like this is like people who like study statistics and sports instead of just watching the games like when you write all this minutiae get really into it. I think a lot of moviegoers will be like, oh, hey, it's another Spider-Man movie. I like that Tom Holland. Let's go. See ya and It's not good then all of a sudden you like, you know all that Goodwill evaporates. But if the movie is a good movie, it'll be fine and they're really coming into it with a leg up coming off of all these movies that have been really good. It's not like when they tried to when Fox right trying to reboot Fantastic Four, I legitimately saw the the commercial for that of the preview for it was like, nope not going to say it. I still haven't seen that movie and I we should just for fun. This is so bad. I just I heard it looked awful and I was like, I'm not even gonna do it and Did I like The Amazing Spider-Man but you know, they're they're definitely coming up you coming off of a leg up because all these were so good. And so people are still going like oh well, yeah these past movies were great. I'm going to go watch the next one because why not and Tom Holland is a fantastic Spider-Man. Yeah, and I and look I'm disappointed to see this kind of like a break up this like weird Hollywood divorce thing going on. But like it's just a separate. It's a trial separation. They'll get back together. Yeah, I ultimately I hope that they're together but frankly for me right now. Like because I know I've seen a lot of people in the chat asking this does it make like who do we blame ya if I blame anyone right now from all the rumors rumors to again to be clear. We don't have all the facts. I would put more of the blame on Disney and then Sony because because I don't unless Sony was refusing something reasonable like a new Avengers project more like or like we have to have venom in this universe. Then I don't see why they would be resistant to it. Yeah, or like who knows what it could be. It could have been something where like Marvel wasn't happy with the spider-verse release schedule against the bunt against the MCU. Like it could have come down to that. It could have diver. There was a rumor that Disney wasn't happy with having to Spider-Man movies come out within six months of each other. Oh, wow, so there could have been a problem where they're like, well, we here's where we want to put Spider-man 3 and Sony's like well we were going to put Spider-verse to right there and they're like, well, we will you can you move it and if somebody refused yeah now you got a problem. Well, I also think Disney Polly isn't too upset about all the t-shirts they sold during that six-month period I think that they were like, oh, you know, we did Solon action figures and my son has Spider-Man walkie-talkies. So you're welcome doesn't it's one of those things where I think if spiders have been anything other than what it was as in perfect. It's great Point like perfect. I'm wearing my miles shoes, right? Now you guys but if it had been anything, other than that, I think that that would have been a he a bigger problem for Designing and look I'm inclined to agree with you that if it's the way that we understand it at the moment and who knows what information will get it another point. I feel like yeah Disney kind of went and just imagine it we're have you do for a living you go in for your job and it's okay. It's time for your performance review. Hi. I'm I want 10 times my salary I'm gonna do the same work that I was doing, but you're Give me ten times as much money. It's probably not going to go over that. Well, so, you know, that's a little bit of a micro way to look at it. But I think they're asking for so much more and it's like again like we've said a couple of times on the show Disney got a lot for being able to have access to Spider-Man. Yeah, and they can be as mad as they want about it, but they didn't have the movie rights to Spider-Man. That's not Sony's fault that they were smart enough to negotiate a deal 20 years ago to get the right to Spider-Man movie Perpetual rights as rights except making the and keep in mind Sony doesn't necessarily have to even make a Spider-Man specific movie every three years anymore. They could do any of these spider property's been able morbius venom venom. Morbius. Like that's what all counts now, I think that if one's morbius comes out if morbius and I think it will tanks because I don't expect to do well at the box office. Yeah. It's a movie with Matt Smith in it. So it's not going to do. Great. I want only the best for Matt Smith. He is the best bow ties are cool, but times are cool. But I don't think that movie is going to do good. No worries. We're just it was fine. He calling me but so it morbius tanks. I think this If this isn't reading of revisit by then then I think Sony might open the door because again, it wasn't just hey, I want an extra percentage on my butt on my raise. It was hey, we just made you a billion dollars. Can I have more point you like can we work something out? We have more building now. I still think Disney ask for too much but I don't but I would still put more of the blame on them. And I think that you know, say that morbius does okay, I think if say argument They make another Spider-Man movie Just Sony and its successful. But nowhere near this level then I think Sony is like, you know what let's talk about that. Yeah, if it's if it's anyway disappointing, but of course if they make a movie on their own and they're like look we made almost as much money. We made way more than we had to share with Disney. Yeah. We don't need to work with Disney for a while. Yeah, and then it becomes been like if it doesn't do as well that it becomes like I think they're going to be careful with this next one if they're not working with foggy to make sure that it is insular enough to that it It wouldn't affect the end of the greater MCU. I think that they will be careful in that so that they could renegotiate their not going to negate anything going on right in this in the in the in the MCU. Now I'm going to do an earlier Dooms question corner from Twitter because it's relevant to this conversation. But Ed Keats asked not that they would but could the MCU still use a wall crawler, but not call him Spider-Man just vert him as a character as a mild say miles or does Sony have everything? Now so this is how this whole thing worked out in the how this is in the contracts. Like Sony has the rights to make movies with any character that is originating in a Spider-Man story or created around Spider-Man. Now, they've said that that number is as many as 900 different characters that they have the rights to some of those characters blend into both worlds. Similar to the way that fox and Marvel both have rights to Scrolls and both had rights as Scarlet Witch and perfect examples of Spider-Man of course is Kingpin. Yes right there and spider-verse, of course a big part of Daredevil, you know, and he's he first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man think 50. He's Spider-Man character, but boy, he sure has hands all over them CEO so you can't exclude him from other things as well. Yeah, and it would be interesting to see who that's one of those ones where it's probably in a deep paper somewhere that legal document. They may have specified Kingpin from one for me. But it will not because Kingpin was in Daredevil was in the juice just Fox had there at least the rights at one point moment at that time. So it's so Tony does not at least have exclusive rights, but they have not given them the rights. Yeah is possibility. We don't know that is that's all deep like contracts locked in a vault somewhere, but it does mean that any spider character Disney can definitely not touch and that includes even Jessica Drew Spider Woman Who is not a spider character in the same sense of Like the like flipped whip that was spider, but the Jess Jessica Drew Spider-Woman is so nice to play with because we know that she's going to be in spite of hers to write just to come in from the chat this sort of goes back to something. We were saying earlier Anthony Manzano Christian in my opinion. There is a lot of blame to go on both sides Marvel for asking for too much and Sony for not letting Kevin feige take control some of the characters. Yeah. I think that's kind of what we're saying. We're seeing a lot of that in the chat. There are people look there's there I would say if you have to pick one of the other more people are angry at Me but a lot of you even if you're more angry and so on you're like well, yeah, of course doesn't he is capable in this to so I think I think that will look to the see really but yeah in general so in general people seem to feel that way about it. Yeah, so a lot of questions and like who knows what else could they could work out like this week and terms of video game news Sony bought Insomniac Games. Wow, so that like so they owned the studio that produced and made the Spider-Man. As for game that was before all this happened, but maybe it's like maybe there's a video games. I saw this in the chat. I don't I'm sorry. I didn't catch who said it. But like maybe there's a video games right exchange here. We're like because there's already been discussions of the Marvel game verse as a been offered to which is like Marvel's Avengers coming up blending and playing with insomniacs Spider-Man. There's like loose references that could have been like referring to each other which would be cool because like in the Spider-Man game, they've wrecked the Avengers Tower. There and they make reference to the Avengers being in San Francisco, which is where that crazy Bridge attack that's opening. Marvel's Avengers is on the Golden Gate Bridge. It's in San Francisco. So are they already doing that and like or could that be a negotiating chip between the two companies? So we'll see while we're on that subject video game news Marvel's Avengers. They there's actually a bunch of the gameplay footage that they showed off this week of like all the different characters and how they're going to fight cool looks fun. I'm play the hell out. Game, like they should have Thor fights and how catfights some cool stuff that was in there. Tony's apparently gooses in the story. Somehow I'll take it and see Goose, but he was referred to by name where Tony Stark like all is talking to Maria Hill like and over the phone. It's like how's the cat goose is fine. That was it. But like they gooses in that universe and also in that Universe, this is really interesting. Kamaal Khan is there. So apparently some Eagle Eye people spotted her on the bridge during that attack and they can the developers later confirmed. It didn't go into wouldn't go into further details about what her involvement in the game means but so Kamal Khan is on the bridge when it's attacked and then like have to fight The Avengers, but they wouldn't say if you get to fight as her in the story now, I while I would love to play Kamal Khan and more like dark like heavy video game like that. I do want them to be careful not to like Like force into many different characters for because game mechanic them to keep game mechanics good and that's part of why Spiderman was such a good game because they only had to worry about one Fighters game mechanics and they're already dealing with like five different ones in Avengers because you have to have cap mechanics. You have to have Iron Man mechanics Hulk Thor Black Widow. So you've already got five people that have to have unique fighting styles. If it look I can play as as Miss Marvel in the Ultimate Alliance three right now, that's That's one you can play it was like 40 different characters. They also announced the next the DLC for that which has blade Moon night morbius and The Punisher. Wow, it's called curse of the vampire DLC Martin's Marvel Knights. It's Marvel Knights, but like I can play is crazy amounts of characters in that game that game super fun. But I want this game to just be good. We can expand it later. You can DLC people in but make sure the characters fight well in that initial game. All right, that's my video games tangent. I'm sorry. I'm nerding out here. The only thing I am select from All that was Moon night, but I was excited about Moon night. So that that's why I was in the lead and Punisher in there too, man. Yeah, but you know, they're getting movies and they've been on TV. It's just you know, there's been no love for me or not yet. I'm still counting on playing fighting as Moonlight in this game is going to be fun. Did you guys just unlocked the WASP recently? She immediately is on my team no matter what I've never taken her off the roof off the roster. It's great anyway, so we can go back for a minute and really I was at the discussion. Let me just throw them from the chat. Gom design is a great sentiment that we were lucky. It happened at all. You know, if we never get any crossover, we still have these three great movies and Spiderman was in and then of course the to Spider-Man movies that have Tony Stark and Nick Fury and happy and all that. So yeah, if they for some reason never do it's like a these movies are still great at the very least. We got Spider-Man in end game. It's true. We got even if he was only for like five minutes, but we got an amazing. Being Spider-Man seen ha in endgame do that moment. I just remember it was well the second one of the I think the second or third loudest cheer that I heard in the theaters when I saw and game like like when I was coming out was when Spidey came through the portal right? I think it was the 3 loudest cheers were obviously Kappa mjolnir. Honestly, I think this second might have been for for to Chalo coming through the portal. I think you and I saw it like that got a lot of Response, but like if third if not second was what Spidey shows up? Yeah, it's like yes. Yes, it's so far. Anyway, so here's my question. And this is like we have five minutes left and this is like let's look towards the future. Now you guys and like maybe in a positive way d23 is this weekend get news big Disney the Marvel Studios panel, I believe is on Saturday. I don't remember I didn't write down what time? But what do you think guys think I'm gonna take a break from talking. So make you guys do it with whatever it was Spider-Man on everybody's mind. Disney is dealing with a lot of PR but it's a PR nightmare right. Now. How do you think Disney will respond or trip maybe where they try to draw attention away? What are we going to get at d23 this weekend? I mean, I honestly think they're just going to make a statement about If they can whatever that's going to be and then continue on with d23 as normal because they gave us what two years of movies. We have all of this TV. We have all of these. I mean possibly another couple of years of movies. I think that they're going to announce some other movies here. Well, I think wherever it is in terms of the negotiations, even if there are a hundred percent that they're going to make a Spider-Man movie Sony by themselves, they're going to go up there and say yeah, we're pretty close. We think it's going to work out and then you just leave it at that. Yeah. I think I you know, it's a There's a lot there's a lot at stake. We can't really talk about it. I'm confidence I'm is going to work out then, you know, whenever down the road you get to said. Yeah thought was going to work out. It didn't sorry. So you can just kind of dismiss it when you're like here we are. We're still working on it. We hope it's going to be good. Here's the stuff you really excited about and then you know, if if they can have I don't own animated Howard. The Duck is show up on stage. Well, I already wish I was there, but I'll be very upset if something happens with Howard at d23, and I'm not there for it, but I That I think that in terms of what their because they've kind of alluded to the fact that they're going to talk more about the the who shows that's what I understood. So I think we're going to get that and we know some about the Marvel plus sorry the Disney plus Marvel shows might as well be Marvel plus I think that they're going to probably give us something that we had no idea but I don't mean a new show but maybe you know, just sort of like how it turned out Monica rambeau was going to be on yeah, they're gonna be a little something. I think they're gonna give us some detail that we just had no idea about Yes for people to get excited because the animated shows might be talked about at the Marvel animation panel on Friday. But Marvel Studios specifically has a panel and that's not Hulu unless there's going to be some announcement that they're restructuring which I would love if like Kevin feige could just like take Marvel TV into his like like wingspan. And yeah, I'm not going to get down that road. But this was an interesting fact that I saw that came out this afternoon because the Banners are all going up, but obviously we're printed like Seagal right and Spider-Mans on some banners for 223 horse look animation panel and they have an animated series. So no I didn't spider-verse is coming. So, you know, Tom Holland Spidey is something it's like a poster of like, it's Captain Marvel out front with Iron Man over her shoulder and Spider-Man over the other shoulder. Well, maybe they'll be the put Nightcrawler there. They'll just so you know Adam on top that's from Instagram user dis way 80, maybe one of the kids. Like dis as in Disney McGee is weigh 80. But yeah, so look where we still don't have to close out. We don't know what's going to come we can't predict the future. But well, I think for yourself look Spider-Man there will be a Spider-Man in the movie theaters at some point within the next three or four years. Whoever it's with we're like, it's going to one more with Tom Holland at least and you have that to look forward to whatever it's Let me just jump into that. If they don't come to a deal it one of those sticking points could be that maybe Sony's like no we want to Spider-Man movie in theaters, you know to fourth of July's from now and they're like no we have all this other stuff planned and they're like, no we needed to come out soon. So it could have been something like that. So if the deal doesn't happen, maybe we're getting spied even sooner. That's a lot of things still probably three years out just on like the reliever the realities of writing and producing is writing shooting and then like doing post-production on a big superhero budget movie, but we'll see what happens. Happens until then that's going to do it for our time here in Marvel movie news. I hope this may be a swage some of your fears out there about Spider-Man or answered some of your questions because there's a lot going on. I'm sure that we'll get more over the weekend as people keep talking about this and on these press lines pressure people like feige or Tom Holland to discuss these things. We'll see we'll update you guys next week on what's happening there until next time guys. Christian Blatt put your cell phone you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Christian DMZ and Sunday night at nine Pacific over on AfterBuzz TV Marvel TV weekly we're going to be breaking down whatever it is that does come out of d23. So if you can't wait till Thursday, we'll talk a little bit about everything but we're really focus on the TV over there. But so you can find that as I said 9 p.m. Pacific over on AfterBuzz TV Z. Oh, yeah, and I'm Z Anderson. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram @ Z underscore land. That's Xiao underscore land. And I'm Zack Wilson. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at that Zach Wilson. You can also find me on my other podcast ships in the night where we take characters from Cross fandom couples like this week when we talked about what would happen if Eric Cartman from South Park started dating a Lucy Van Pelt from the Peanuts comic it's to bullies. It's a crazy story but check that out. It's on wherever your podcast ships in the night until next time guys. This has been Marvel movie news. Was thanks for digging out with us Excelsior. producers Maria Menounos Keven undergaro from the entire population cooking like to thank you for tuning in for questions or comments. 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