All right best our of their day is back Fern and I are on our road trip and we're here to discuss each box that we went to and we're going to take them in chronological order. It seems like it was many weeks or months ago, but it was in fact only yesterday that we were at CrossFit invoke. This is kind of like between two J's said of between two could be two ferns but you're not a fern if you want. I can be like Fern how do you manage to be so fit but so unathletic looking?It's a good question. I think it's just a nice view, you know the show it's a great shows that galvanic as hysterical. But let's let's break down the box. And what we want to do is give a little bit of a behind-the-scenes of maybe what we thought about the Box itself the presentation, you know, the coaching that went down the six criteria talk a little bit about the programming the work out. What was your first you know reaction. When we walked in across an invoke, well, my honestly, my first reaction is a little bit of empathy. So like a lot of and here's why right we've been to Five boxes in two days and at least four of them. There was somebody there either the coach or one of the athletes that I did their level one and I having an affiliate for 10 years. I know how nerve-wracking is that another coach come into your facility and you just feel judgment like we're not there to judge people obviously, but like we kind of we kind of are yeah, but but you know, you know what I mean? Like I've I have empathy for that like I get it that they might throw people off their game, so I'm not I'm not like casting full. Genomic this is how they normally act do they're you know, they're probably doing thank you know like the little to people do weird stuff when you're when they get nervous. I think that's a good point. And in fact and we're going to talk about each box that we've been to over the coming weeks. But really all of them have been quite welcoming and like you said really cast their ego aside because it would have been very easy, especially when we talk about invoke Ryan had no idea that we were coming. Yeah, you know, and we did a good job preparing. Selves we had a girl Sydney helping us get ready. She definitely did her due diligence. So clearly there was a miscommunication and and he was just like he rolled with it. He was cool. So the first thing was like he was super welcoming we came in which I think is always an indication of the gym in general, but the other thing I think he it didn't seem that he changed anything about the way that he would coach a class at least not from what I can tell and I've seen a lot of people coach classes, but once he started going then I think it was a little bit of He kind of got into his rhythm. So I thought it was good. So let's talk about each each class in each workout. So at CrossFit invoke and you might have to fill me in a little bit, but we'll talk about the warm up the workout itself. We had a front squat. Oh, yeah. We did our we worked up to a heavy set of 3 with 2 seconds pause pause at the bottom. And then we went into a metcon where they had a sport and a fitness option you did the sport which was it was a muscle. It was was a 12 minute. Salman and emerald mines there was a muscle-up Thruster row and mine was pull up Thruster row. And what changed was you did a barbell Thruster with 75, correct? I did a single dumbbell thrusters with 35. There was really no prescribed way. And then again when we talked a little bit about it on the show, but you did 24 calorie row while I did a 400-meter. Oh, do you really think there was any difference there? Know which which could I mean I depending how you look at it? Like I don't know if they intended there to be any difference. Like we like you were what you're basically a half around in front of me. Well, I'm going to even just on the row like what was the purpose of you doing 24 calories versus? Oh just the row probably not we'd have to probably the time that out but I think both of them are probably if you think about a 40 meter routes probably a minute 22 minute and a half depending on where you're at with the 20 and 124's, you know, most people like even if I going back to get 20 Calories in 50 seconds on the front end of that workout. So, you know, if you go to 24 or another yeah, maybe a little bit shorter depending where you're looking at but so obviously Ryan's not here to defend himself so we don't want to bash him. But let's let's give some feedback, you know, if people watched it, let's give some feedback some things. We like some things that we think he could have improved and I think overall like we've said he did a great job the great job. I mean the warm-up was the warmers fantastic. I was I was ready to squat when we got to the barbell. Absolutely. I mean, We got in on Sunday. That was the first class. We took it was 9:00 a.m. You know, we're sleeping at an Airbnb Nate Airbnb and while very welcoming. No, it's not your own bed. We didn't get a great night sleep. We were up late and you're like, okay. I got a not only wake up, but I got to get below parallel on a heavy set of three and I think he did a phenomenal job getting us warm. Like you said by the time we got there. I was like, I'm ready to squat. Yeah. It's been cool for me. I always find it the thing that I take away from most gyms now is I'm always trying to steal things from warm-ups because warm-ups is one of the big things from a coach that this monotony sets in really quickly and it's I find it hard to continuously be creative for warm-ups you feel like there's only so many things you can do forms, but in five gems, I've probably stolen no less than five things that I like just different movements and different types of warm-ups to add into my warm up repertoire. So like so that's one thing you might have grabbed from Ryan. I think there was a couple of the floor movement. I don't remember what they were I wrote I'm down if you go back and look at them, but like there's there's something in every warm up that we've done so far and I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna steal that I like the fact that he let it mmm. He was involved. It could have been very easy. Hey, let's write it on the board and go but he was involved. He was talking to the people and then by the time we got to the front squats, like we said, we're pretty warmed up and he's stuck with us. I think if anything he probably knows 9 a.m. Could have been a little bit louder. Yeah a little bit little bit louder but there Only eight of us, I think yes, so with a huge class and the space is an enormous. So I mean, I thought it was appropriate. The one thing. I think it has been a common Trend. So this is not just with invoker Ryan. I think all in all I think the classes ruin really well is is For the most part people are doing a pretty good job teaching but then when it comes to the coaching, I think you know and we'll talk a little bit about juice but I think there's been one where as the coaching aspect of it is like seeing in correcting movement, you know, putting people in better positions that is where like like a lot of coaches like that's not their bread and butter because they have it probably there haven't been coaching long enough for that. Well, not just that they haven't been coaching long enough long enough. They don't have the time. I mean the one other consistency This part time gig he's a pharmaceutical guy. Well, not a not just that yet, but you're right but almost every box we've been to has crammed as much as they could into an hour and that just doesn't lend itself to either teaching or correcting and I'm not sure but it like of the one that we have been two out of five. They did not do it would be the one that we said had the most coaching absolutely. So I don't know if that's coincidence, but my guess is not well then what comes first right so So what comes first do you get to be a better Coach? So you say hey, I want more opportunity in the class or do program first in such a way that allows it and become a better Coach. I mean, this is kind of a chicken in the egg chicken chicken, which is it the chicken or the egg. Let me know figure if we're talking about the how Evolution Works. What kind of religion was that over here Nathan there was an egg. There was an egg that probably had the chicken Nate Nate believes otherwise, yeah, I mean listen, who knows? I don't know they do you believe the chicken or the egg? See here we go. Take one teenage behind the scenes. All right, but knows a good class I and and given the amount of stuff that we did in the class. You know, we did that we did the heavy front squats. We did the warm-up. We did the 12-minute amrap and we did a little bit of a cool down at the end. I thought he did a very very good job at managing the time because on my end typically that feels rushed. None of that felt rushed to me. There was a there was a brief moment where I think he might have been felt time constrained when He was going through the muscle up in the pull up where it was probably maybe a little too brief, but I'm not going to fault him for that. I agree with you on that. I think that would have been the opportunity to teach correct and he in from what I remember was. Like, how about giving ten Kip swings? All right, hop up. Give me two reps of what you're going to do type of thing. Yeah where it could have been like. All right. Let's go over the kip swing Superdome Hollow, etcetera, you know, that could have been let me ask you this question. You complimented him on wearing a coaches sweatshirt, right? However And I don't want to make you know, if Ryan's watching this he had like sweats a sweatshirt and a wool hat on. Where is the balance of the professionalism of being a coach? I mean, it's not knocking it. It's got a beautiful and it's not a big box gym. And if you walk into my gym, like I'm going to be wearing a coach shirt and then we wearing sweatpants and depending on what it like we have heat in our gym, so I'm probably not wearing a beanie but they they had heat in there. But I mean like it wasn't super like it wasn't hot. So I mean It's a gym. So I'm if you're wearing a coach uniform if you will, I don't think you need to be wearing a polo. I'm far more concerned with how you conduct yourself as a professional because I think there's a lot of leeway with your attire in a CrossFit environment. It would almost look weird if I walked in a CrossFit gym and you were wearing a polo and slacks like I'd be like, well, this is not what I'm looking for. Do you think that's the direction it's going to go. I think there's I think there's a middle ground there. I think where you can look professional where you know, Not wearing I don't know what that is, but I think it's like nice coaches shirts and like things that you eventually what I think would be really nice as if all of your coaches are always wearing branded coaches shirts or branded a tire whether it's sweatpants or hats stuff like that where they step on the floor like everything that they wear represents your brand. I agree. I think going to the polo shirts, which I actually tried for a brief period of time and the coaches rebelled they hated it and you know, then I think what's nice is hey whether you work Cross it right for whatever boxer at as long as it's a shirt that has the logo doesn't have to say coach even better if it's an actual coaches shirt, but like anything I do I think I think it's some point like that needs to be mandatory. Maybe not for you personally at your box like today, but I think at some point if you're going to make that transition we're going to make this an Uber professional run facility. It needs to shave coach or staff or something on it so that when somebody walks in the door, they're easily identified and at The person who's walking your door who probably has anxiety has some direction about who to talk to you. Like you're clearly the person who I need to speak with or a person who works at this facility. So I think it does need to be some distinguishing Mark that says I work here and don't make your coaches pay for their coaches. No, no buy it for them. You know, some boxes do that. I can't will give you one but that could that's my balls week that falls in the same bucket of I'm going to make you Coach glasses to work off your membership. Like that's garbage. Don't do that. All right, so so Wrap up CrossFit invoke. Is there anything else you would say about it? And I thought it was a great class the cool down at the end was really good. There was a lot of banter there at the end, which I think is a nice and if you having that at the end was was a good Community piece that I was a big fan of like we were joking around that's where we learned quite a few things about the different members. We learn there was multiple students in there that there was a doctor in there. She's a pediatrician a couple moms for moms in there. So that is where you know in considering that we got all of that information. And but we didn't get in till the end but we got it is what is important and I think you know you and I enjoy that banter with strangers if you will, but that's something any coach should be doing if you don't know that man, we found that out on our first day and we would have went back the next day and said to Colleen, you know, how was this or to the doctor? How was your day? That's the kind of stuff you need to be doing if you want your members to stay forever. Yeah, well shoutout to CrossFit and Vogue shout out to Ryan. Thanks again for Having us and we look forward to going back. Yeah, and we appreciate you letting us drop into CrossFit in book. All right guys back best out of their day. We're on the boxed or doing a little bit of a recap between two J's between between two J's talking about so we already talked about CrossFit invoked. We're going to talk about CrossFit 12 state. So what was your first impression of that? Jim clean says, we're close my very first impression we pulled up. And it was like a standalone box. It reminded me of would probably like an old like Goodyear or auto-type. I would agree. It did have of that. I bet that's what it was. It had open windows in the front which was probably like the lobby where you go pee and maybe of tires and then the gyms aspects had lots of garage doors. So it makes sense like you can pull through the cars, but it was clean, you know everything and when we say was clean it was clean like that place is one of the cleanest Jim's of ever been to Yeah, they clearly whether it's themselves or pay someone. They keep every aspect of a cleaner cleaning service comes in five times a week. I asked him about it. Hey, you guys I was like, this place is clean. Yeah, and it was secondly super friendly. I think this day and age you're getting a lot of boxes. Then always have some sort of Ambassador or front desk person just saying hi and oftentimes it's the owner a coach, you know, someone that's coaching a later class. But if I would have walked in there as a new person Through the lobby and not saw someone it would have been very intimidating to have to go through the next door to get into the gym. Especially if class it started. Yes. So Hannah who is one of the owners her and her husband Cliff own the gym and she was sitting at the front desk. She immediately greeted both of us and obviously super welcoming, but that's an incredible first impression for any gym, and I know a lot of people struggle to wrap their head around having somebody who's there full-time admittedly like We're at 10 years and we just did that about seven months ago where I brought somebody and I have somebody in the facility who's there all day from start to finish no matter what day it is. And that's a lot and like it looking back on it. I think I would have tried to figure out how to make that happen much much sooner. Yeah, because whether it's that first welcoming face or if somebody walks in this is like the worst somebody walks in while the coaches coaching. You don't want to lose that potential member, but you're going to immediately be distracted. So maybe you either job that person's name down try to remember to call them later or you sacrifice your coaching of the class to sign them up. So maybe you're not there. You need to figure out a scenario to solve that problem. And so what we did at our gym before we had that what most gyms have a TV because they use water Phi or some other check-in platform that they do. So it's generally run off of a chrome box or an Asis or something like that. So, Just pull up a tab. And if you don't have a contact us landing page or form on your website, first of all fix that but basically we always have that page pulled up behind the wada fi screens. So it's just a quick click in the event that somebody walked in and like no other for staff happen to be there. We'll just grab that person and say Hey, listen, I can't I can't talk to you right now. I'm coaching a class. But what do you can do is fill this form out. It'll take 10 seconds. We'll call you back very very quickly and we'll answer all the And we can set up a time to come in for you to sit down. So if you don't have the ability to have a staff member take that role for you, there's still ways to be able to capture that information. So you can follow up with that person and bring them back in and have that discussion. So and then make sure you follow up with them quickly quickly like you need to call them or text them immediately upon getting that form. So outside of that what I thought was the gym was spacious and again, it was a lot going on in the hour. There was a In complex and then a clean and jerk Imam, correct? And then we also had the metcon at the end. So there was a lot of moving Parts going on in that one hour. So we did to clean complex. Well, they were they weren't separate they were in the same kind of oh, that's right. We alternated. Yeah, we alternated right so there was to clean different clean complexes in there. But in the same kind of piece of the workout and then we went to double under pull up snatch. Yeah, so Anything about that we're teaching you think you're teaching the clean you teach in the jerk. You're teaching Miss Nash double under and pull up all in the same workout. But like we talked about was there a lot of teaching I think there was a fair amount of teaching that I don't there, you know again like and this is common. So this is not us picking on any one particular coach like in general the coaching is what you see the least of yeah, what we've picked up so far in the tour is there's a lot of Shuttling From Evolution to Evolution but not so much what we've discussed that one workout a day and we're going to teach and coach you for 20 minutes before getting there. Now one thing with that we did point out yesterday that was done really well was the Staggering of the imams. So that way the coach can see half the group started the 0 the other half start 30 seconds in and just get more Eyes On Ya, so we had a roughly 10 people in our class. So what Kendall did Was she basically offset by I think 30 to 60 seconds? And that way she only had five athletes to look at every 30 to 60 seconds. And in that Imam, you have a little bit more out of time you interact there. So from a coaching standpoint that's really smart. And if you saw the class after ours, which I think was the 5:30, or maybe those the five it was significantly larger. So they probably had almost 20 people in that class. So she already having that plan in place had she coach the next class would have only had to look at 10. Vs. 20 because I don't care how good you are. That's tough. Yeah, and whether you have 10 or two you might as well do that because it gives you the opportunity to look at everybody. Yeah, right, even if you have two people I'm going to watch I get to watch every single set that you do from a group management standpoint. I thought that was very very well done II thought that was excellent. And I thought you know again it was a lot in one hour, but it never felt rushed and in both classes at invoke and then also at 12th state. About five minutes to stretch at the end. Yep, which is key because a I like to stretch a little bit and and I left feeling better than if it was like, all right, good job, especially that meant Khan heart rates up double-unders chest-to-bar and then just to kick us out. Yeah, and that's where I got to chat a little bit with Wanda and you know get to meet people, you know, and she had started a different gym and moved here about a year ago. She's been there for a year. But again, I think it's I think there's there should be some very intentional emphasis put on that cool down at the end to start building that camaraderie within that's how you have a community if you have an hour long and it's jam-packed and everybody just get shuttled through and there's no opportunity for people interact with each other. It's really hard to create relationships because in that class I don't I was joking with him afterwards they have what they call maroon Monday and which is re of them. Yeah, so it's just for the 330 class and it's like a secret group that they have and I know that what it was I did. Come on that there was a secret group the secret group that they started like a year ago. And and so I didn't realize until they said it when I was in a little locker and Mary afterwards and I realized that they were all wearing maroon and I was like, I was like, this is cool. This is really cool. And you know, if you're if you're coaching and you take your 1 hour timeline, I think it's basically this point mandatory five minutes in the front five minutes of the end whiteboard brief cooldown. You have 50 minutes 50 minute class. You need to accept that and that whiteboard. Oof is invaluable as is that cool down. I think one thing we should point out about 12 say that was really cool. After we got to hang out with Cliff who is the owner of the Box along with Hannah and he's a former Regional athlete and he now takes the five a.m. Class multiple times every week and while he's probably not quite as fit as he was when he was at the Regionals that he's still pretty fat. He's still very fit. But more importantly it's great for the community and it's great to see someone as fit as he is. Realize the importance of doing class. I think that unless you have a coach or a staff member who is legit a contender for a sanctioning spot that it should be mandatory that they work out in the classes. And if not, they should be doing the same programming. For instance. We I don't always work out the class I try to as often as possible. But if I'm not I'm doing that day's work out or one that we're trying to test in programming. I'm not doing something else. Yeah and I would even say even if you're a sanction of level athlete at this day and age are trying to crack the top 20 in the open. You could still do a metcon. Yes, like do your own additional stuff for then hop into a couple of met cons a week and what we have found mean after two days of training multiple times. We don't want to work out. But as soon as you get to class and you get that Vibe going in the community aspect, it's fun again, and I don't think we should overlook the fact that People want that inspiration again. If we're talking about educate Inspire entertained that inspiration is key and those good athletes are inspiring to those people who are just starting their Journey or who are just trying to get that muscle up or trying to snatch for the first time. Like they need to have that kind of carrot dangled out in front of them and those good athletes are that because that's the way it was back in the day everybody worked out together, and I think that's the way it should still be. That is CrossFit CrossFit. Well 12th state doing a great job with that. Thanks Hannah. Thanks Cliff for Thanks Kenneth for coaching. Any last minute. No, I thought it was a great you guys are doing whatever you guys are doing. Keep doing it. I was very impressed with the facility with the coaching staff again. I'm going to steal some things from your from your gym. Keep your box clean the third stop on day. One of our road trip was called Hayes Barton CrossFit. I think Hayes Barton is correct me for wrong mate, but like this area of town. Yes, it's in Five Points though. Correct? Yeah find it was like yeah, it was right on the corner of like five different areas or what like a big intersection of like fuck. Yeah, but it was really cool because it was like being like an old Main Street like every town has a Main Street. Yeah, and it was like going into Main Street and having like back in the day. It was probably like, you know, she told us it was a bar would not but I was like, I'll Barbershop or that and now it's a CrossFit box was pretty cool and Maybe you can't tell the size of the room that we're in right now, but the box was literally the size. It wasn't this it was double it was not much more than double. So I asked you said thousand ask Kat and I said I was swaggin and I said about a thousand it was probably closer to 8:00. I would say wondered I would tell you it was smaller because my first box was 800 a racquetball court and it was smaller than A-Rod not including the back space, but the usable floor space was probably 700 it was tight, but it was cool. It was a cool spot is storefront and like in historical area of Raleigh, so they probably get a lot of traffic going by and they're so it was it had a cool little vibe to it, even though you walk in and it's not it's nothing you look at and it's like it's you know this overwhelming box like, you know, one of these like going across where Reebok one or something like that where it's extravagant but it's like it had a really cool homey vibe to it, which is the same vibe that we got from all the people in the facility. Yeah, and as I saw in the video. I mean three kind of power racks and two bikes to rowers that was really all of the equipment on the floor. Yep, everything else. They had a little like closet area in the back and I think you can argue like was that if that were your space is that the equipment you would have had I mean you can be a little bit more creative these days because of some of the space-saving accoutrements that Rogue makes like maybe the foldable squat racks you can have in there to get a little bit of floor space back there. But or even half rig on the wall. Yeah coming off of the wall still get those Squad. I mean it's going to take about the same size. But this way you have a little more pull up bars shouldn't even think about that. So they probably had three pull-up bars. Yeah in the squat rack, which means you have to have some creative programming, which I think she did. Yesterday she did and we talked about that and I think I think she's going to be well served as she evolved because she's having to navigate those Waters now and she's not one of these people that opens with 4,000 square feet and has the luxury of being sloppy or you know overzealous with the programming and let's talk pros and cons and we don't want to you know, none of this is bashing every box has been welcoming. Every box has been fun, but I would say about Hayes Barton at least on that first day you really Felt the community Vibe they were it was awesome. She started off with a question of the day. I loved it and it was a tough question. It was a tough question was what's your what was it that she pleasure TV show, right? And yours was well, no, no his was no Liam has was Liam could love I yeah, mine was Impractical Jokers and I was working moms working moms. I don't know if that's a guilty pleasure thing. That's a pretty popular show. I mean I consider me wasting time watching Netflix a guilty pleasure. We've had cartoons on most of the time we've been here because it just makes me feel at home because I have two kids. So I thought I loved the question of the day. She was super friendly and then you know, let's talk a little bit about Rachel Rachel was one of her members came in clearly haven't had a bad day. So let's talk about the scenario. So she came in probably 25 minutes late. No, is she that late it was yeah because we because we were almost done with the squat portion. That yeah second time. We had to squat Yesterday by the way constantly varied people. Listen, we didn't die. It'll be vital. Yeah you but you're right. I know I mean, I knew she was late. I didn't think it was 25 minutes. But yeah in retrospect definitely for the most part would exceed the point where a lot of coaches would say, it's fine hop in but I think I think Kat made a good decision there. Well, she clearly had to think about a couple things. It was the last class of the day, right? The next class was a yoga class, which clearly maybe Rachel doesn't Not like and not necessarily what you was looking for in that moment. But yeah, it was just it wasn't even a debate. I've kind of saw it happen and I just immediately was like cool like I would have let her hop in as well. But I don't think a lot of coaches wouldn't and I think that's really what best our of their day is like. Hey, I realized obviously the best 30 minutes of her day at that point. Yeah, but I realized you know, you're paying member you're late. I'm not questioning why you're late, but welcome you shouldn't particularly. Is she was Adept enough to figure out that that racial needed that like she needed to be there and do something for the day. So that was a good decision from a coaching standpoint. And she was able to let her hop in for the last what was out of my 10-minute or it was like she wanted it to be 10 to 12 minutes or whatever the that little scrap piece was. It was at the end. No reason not to let her hop in and and then fairness it was a pretty basic workout that didn't require a ton of warming up jump squats sit up. Soooo, and then ground overhead with a plate which again not a lot of complex things going on and even if you didn't know warm up by the time you got to the weightlifting which was the playground over ready to go. You're pretty warmed up and I would tell everyone watching Rachel left in a better mood. I would agree mostly because of me. Yeah, because you stopped talking to her. No, I like to pick up I can tell when people are having a bad day as can you and it's like you just want to let them know whether it's vent. Give him a hug kind of like I tend to go with like hey, I'm going to be a nuisance to you, but it's distracting you from your bed day. It was borderline Newsome. That's probably being a little bit of a nuisance. So let's talk. Let's talk about the program. There's a lot going on in an hour. You're a lot and and again like There's some things she has to think about in her gym like you there. You just can't program. I like like you probably normally would in a traditional gym because it's not a traditional gym. It's very very small limited equipment again to rowers two bikes. So if and they kept their classes at 8 because of the space and I would tell you you're not putting a bar bells on the floor at Hayes Barton. Yeah, I would guess most workouts their turn into either partner or interval style. Yeah, some sort of station work because you're absolutely right. There's no way you're getting I'd say 6 would have been tight six would have been dangerous are valid especially depending on what the other movements are and then like point it out. There was only three spots for Pull-Ups. So that means and I think you can get people very fit that way personally. I love team workouts and I love interval workouts, you know, if we would have taken a workout even something simple like Grace 30 clean and jerks, you know that can either be two Heats it can be. Hey today's Grace's sets of five unbroken, but you're still going to get to 30. So I'm doing six sets of five or you can do Fran, but it's I go 21 you go. Anyone, you can you know, you can really do anything you want there, especially like you said she kept it at eight so she's aware of it. Yeah, but I thought the class was running. Well, she clearly cares about the community, you know, she covered with because there's only three squat racks. It's easy for her to get around and work with everybody said that is the plus of having a smaller Community a smaller gym. You can be a little bit more intimate with your coaching and I think the other the other positive to that is a little less drama and a little less like feeling like you always have something to do if you there's there's a pro if I were going to open another box, like maybe I would go small cap classes at 6:00 to 8:00, you know, you only have 50 or 60 members may be charged a little bit more but you know everyone you coach all the classes. So you're eliminating some overhead your, you know, eliminating some drama by having a limited number of people there's lots of things you can do and I think there's Nothing wrong with with running at that way. Yeah, and she seemed happy and she purchased the gym from a previous owner. So she's working through some of that and all of the the the learning curve that comes along with purchasing a business that you probably don't know much about as a lot of people do there just like I like CrossFit and I'm going to purchase this and all the sudden you're thrust into the world of business ownership, which has its ups and downs. So, yeah. I mean I've again a lot of empathy for what she's doing and of all the boxes we went to On day one of the trip. She had the best music she did I show a lot of like 80s 80s. I heard some obviously Bon Jovi we heard we heard a little see AC/DC. I think there's some Beastie Boys at one point to Journey. I'm pretty sure there was some white snake in all there was definitely Whitesnake Here I Go Again, so and you know what? I think you made a point yesterday in the in the video, you know, not everything might be in the video, but the ground overhead with the plate. Yeah, I mean just simple simple simple simple simple as all I would say. Yeah, and I mean I know that you know Jason khalipa of NC fit programs that all the time for their programming and by the way that got hard. Yeah, I was like, okay, I'll go 50. I'm broken and I got to like 25 and I was like, I need to put this down for a minute. Yeah, I think I did 25 and then I think it did 13 and 12. Yeah, it gets challenging especially you can cheat that movement and not open your hips because Is light but if you really emphasize squeezing your butt, it's weird to do it though. It's not even beneficial to not open your hips true. That's true like a kettlebell swing true. But I just I'd point is you can still coach the major points of performance of the clean, even though you're using the plate and then you're saving yourself a ton of space with the barbell. Yeah. I think the other thing that's cool about that. Is that like I think we all forget that it doesn't have to be B-Complex to be effective. Like if we think about the things that went down on that work out. So there was a weighted setup where we throw the medicine ball. First time I've ever done that by the way against the wall like that. I was like, yeah, I was afraid what kind of wall that was but so again not complex right right doesn't require a ton of like it. Let's say you're not a season coaching. You just worried about like coaching all of these things like these things don't require a ton of coaching. Yes, we can coach everything but we have to acknowledge some things require less coaching and others but basically a jump squat which I like that was the first time I had done that movement is also Did the ground overhead and then the other one they ever threw in the three minutes was the plate step UPS on the hands. So it's a static hold and a plank position where I'm just moving my hands from the floor onto a plate that's between my hands. So you're just kind of changing planes there with your hands, but a great way to start baby stepping people into things like maybe walking on their hands or just creating some shoulder stability and doing 20 reps of that also not easy and we've been doing this a long time and again, it doesn't have to be complex. To be effective. Like I was good after that workout. Like that was hard enough. I was I was set after whatever that was seven to nine minutes and then good news. You still got to do a minute of burpees after yep, which I pretty sure I beat you and even though you said you did 25 times until I have a shorter distance. I was definitely moving faster than you know, I've been moving faster, but I was moving less it doesn't matter science. Okay, maybe yeah, but I'd the big thing. I really dug about that. Jim was a unique space, you know, because has that like an old you know, Easy feel to it because it's in that in that historic district super super tight community and everybody there was really really easygoing like they were very welcoming to us. Like we did a ton of joking around before we did before the class even started. Well, I think that was one of the benefits we found from that small class meeting just number of people but then also like there's nowhere to hide if she said that to she brought that up. She said from a coaching standpoint from an interaction standpoint like you can't get away there, which is cool. That was probably the only box for we left knowing everyone's name and a little more about About everybody which I really like Duck is whose it Jonathan John? Yeah his last name finding his lost some of those good job, but you know, he was telling us before like you lost 40 some odd pounds and the past year or so so really cool. Thanks for having us at Hayes Barton and great music. There's a new order upon us. That was I don't know where to go with that. But yeah, I like it New Order CrossFit is one of the got it. Okay. Yeah, so we sort of going to be slightly more creative, but you should know better this point. We showed up a new order CrossFit and they were not expecting us they were not there was a little distant miscommunication there. However, and again it wasn't on our end Sydney shout out great job organizing the intro. Does it really matter that like she rolled with it? I was impressed panda panda. Panda was her name Peanut in Dutch. You not in Dutch. I was her real name Victoria. Oh man, like an elephant over. Here you go. I was highly impressed by her because I find most people but especially women getting thrust onto a camera. They're not happy about it. She didn't get faced. I felt for like a minute on the front end of that like when we walked in and we kind of introduce ourself. There was like about 60 to 90 seconds of uneasiness. And then I think she just was like, okay, everything will be fine. All right fair enough, but I mean not you know, a lot of women might have been like had got to put makeup on or I gotta I'm not wearing what I would want to wear. So I mean age she didn't care about that which is you know, really cool, but then also like we discussed about other boxes. She was about to get filmed coaching. Yeah, and she was just like yeah, I'm ready. So let's talk about a new order CrossFit man day two of our road trip. We both woke up this morning. Saur saur is an understatement feel like a train wreck. Yeah, like we have bits of rhabdo and different parts of our body like we're tired our body's tired. But you know, like we've said before we're sleeping in strange places. We're eating out of you know, Whole Foods mostly we Chicken and Waffles today cool gym, though. So it's in this shopping center like a nicer shopping center. But a massive amount of open window storefront super-bright. Why mean all like the entire gym is is floor-to-ceiling windows open to the to the public to look at. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean very welcoming and I think you know again, I think I've felt hinda was a great coach in the sense that immediately she connected like She was one of those people were you feel like have known this woman for a long time? Yeah. It was a joy for me to watch her scold you for an hour. She did you know, but it's important like she got my sense of humor. I got hers and we were good. She did the same to you, but let's talk a little bit about the class. You know, it was programmed to have 45 minutes of work, correct, correct, just in the in the programming itself. So not until talking about anything. And that one hour there was a 30-minute piece, which was the WOD which you could have finished it under 30, but it wasn't happening. I mean no one will finish that work out today. For three rounds probably I mean they listen, I mean, we're not the fittest people on Earth so it's it is doable but I would tell you is you really have to be pushing the pace to to finish three rounds in 30 minutes. I'll fit person can probably average under 10 minutes on those but they would be trucking to do that. Typically I look at that and if somebody who's pretty fit if you're off pace and round one, I typically don't feel the time. Domain is correct. Yeah, right, you know that you would have had to be like eight or nine minutes on that. First round to get to 9 or 10 minutes on round two and hang on to round 3, so it was a lot before that but I do want to so there was no barbell so we did have two pieces. So there's kind of the skill piece on the front end which is some wall walks and some ring Rose but there was no barbell which I was incredibly happy to see this morning. So it was it was just straight up mana structural and a little bit of gymnastics with a burpee box jump over and that's a staple at our gym and I believe they use comp train. Yeah. They said believe that's a been Bergeron stay. Able to which is at least once a week. No weightlifting well, and I thought I thought two things about that. I thought one if you are going to program so 45 minutes of the hour is moving. You're keeping it simple, right? Because the metcon had what biking rowing running and then Burpee box jump, so everything can be taught everything could be coached but you could even skip out if you really like you could not teach any of that. That's what I'm saying. I mean while you could I can It's doable not saying you should do on the bike alone as could you or throwing a running, but you also could get away with none. Correct? And then the wall walk and the Ring Road Wall again. Don't require a ton of teaching but they could you know, it's less likely someone's going to hurt themselves. It really becomes a you're either doing wall walks or here's your scaled option. That is typically what we would describe in our gym is like a moving day where this is kind of just a Mindless 30 minutes of just moving nothing requires an incredible amount of my attention. Mentally. I don't have to allocate a ton of concentration to anything. I just have to move continuously until this clock stops, but owing, you know, the other thing I want to do. Praise about that was I think more boxes can learn from that and that you don't necessarily need to do weight lifting or a barbell to get stronger and fitter mean we did 30 wall walks by the end that's going to leave us hurting tomorrow. So we had 15 minutes to do 30 wall walks and then 40 ring rose with a two second pause. Neither one of us finished in the in the 15 minutes. I think we both got 20 of the Ring row of the Ring Rose. Yeah. I got this. But the third 30 walks is a lot if that would have been the whole thing. That would have been fine. Not just the work of it. I mean 15 minutes try to get 30 wall walks. Yeah, I would have been totally fine with it. I mean, yeah, we can debate if that was the best programming for that 15. What's good programming again? It's like how do we facilitate it all those things like and it's very because I've never done 30 consecutive. Well, I don't think I have either actually sewing Is it a bad thing? No, it was the most ideal way to maximize intensity or or finish that work out because if it was 30 and 40 break up as needed, we both would have finished In fairness. I don't think that was a workout. I think that was intended justjust to be some kind of like kind of accessory work maybe but on the front end would typically would put people would put stuff like that on the back end to try to start developing some skills or some strength in positions that they don't have. So again, we don't have like the little ball behind like what the method is buying their programming so I don't it's not fair to to judge anybody on one day of programming. So it was just it was hard. That's all I'll say like it was hard 30 walks into 40 ring rows with two minute pause in the pull portion at the top not the bottom is hard and then we went from there into the metcon. Yeah, and one thing I took from today and you I think you and I discussed it after his That's why you join a box because neither one of us wanted to work out today. We certainly didn't want to do either of those two pieces of the workout. But I think you would agree both of us about round 2 of that metcon actually started to feel good. I felt much better and I full disclosure. I begrudgingly did those 30 wall walks like at no point did I want to do even one of them right? But even then you get moving it's fun banter amongst. You know, that was a great workout where no one's going crazy the clocks running but no one's trying to win. So you are talking you're talking to you know, your neighbor were talking to each other the coach is coming around and there's nothing wrong with that but then you know the 30 minute. Peace by the end I felt good about that and I think it's one of those time domains that you typically don't see in a lot of gyms these days because they're doing multiple parts and I think that's a I think that's a little bit of a mistake, please think about a lot of the things that your members are doing outside of the gym. People are doing Tough Mudders or you know, the Spartan Race is or any number of things better. I marathons or just any number of things that are going to exceed 15 minutes. So we never kind of touch those time demands were probably doing a little bit of a disservice so, I always kind of smile inside when I see a gym programming something that falls on the longer end on programming and what's Pat Sherwood quote live your life in couples in triplets going to be once a week go long occasionally and I think a lot of boxes are on that like go heavy more often and don't go long correct and it's I don't want to go long. But I've I think there's certainly a lot of positives to that and one thing we didn't talk about though was how much equipment they had to allow. Us to be able to do that because everyone had their own bike and Rowan and there's probably eight people in the closet is about 80 and I'm sure they have busier classes are true, but they probably had one good 10. I was maybe trying to beach. Yeah, I think they had more rowers and bikes but still a good amount. So, you know one thing you could have done if that were too busy as maybe half the class starts on the row half of last night's of your bike or start them at different points. Yeah. It just have them flow through the workout the same order but having somebody started a Right because by the time they get off the market by killer the next person's running so you had lots of different options there. But again, I thought it was a extremely fun class for what it was and I think you know that comes down to the presence in that attitude of a coach your while. There wasn't a ton of coaching per se she cannot engage in and that's it this hot one and I don't even fault her for that because that is a typical workout where even I can find myself sometimes struggling to coach mid-workout in workouts like that because they're not There's nothing complex going on again. It's like hot like how much do we want to dig in on somebody's posture on the rowing probably a lot. But it sometimes you can just tell they're that person doesn't want to talk to them because this there in minute 27 of a 30-minute amrap and they're just kind of like, yeah and why shouldn't correct the movement per se she was a very good cheerleader and that was a good day to be a cheerleader. Yeah, because that's a mental grind day. Yeah, every time I went out the door for the run it was, you know, good job or when I would come back. You get right to the boxes even during the wall walks like she was you know busting balls a little bit. But in a fun way that kept me actually wanting to do it. So I had a good time today in that and it was a you know, a well-executed hour. She went a couple minutes over but 45 minutes of work that's hard not to do. Yeah, and you know and I will say In fairness we didn't help. You didn't help I didn't tell Joe. I'm compliant you're not but fun class and I thought I thought it was really obvious of why people should join a box, you know, you try to work out in your garage. You try to work out in a global Jim. Cool. Maybe you've got some, you know, accountability. You got a buddy, but going to the Box gets you to work out later all these, you know, we could talk a little bit about it. They have a second box that has an Opex. And we didn't really get too deep into it. But I would imagine they're CrossFit has more successful great programming is important, you know, if you want to make it to the next level you need good programming maybe you need individualized but it's only good if you actually do it and so many people get individualized programming that they half-ass or skip or skip pieces of it because they're not working out with their buddy. Well, so think there's there's a conversation to be had. Okay. So programming is great. But what are we doing to coach those athletes meaning? Like how am I coaching them into better positions over time? Is there a plan to fix their their squat posture or their overhead position that those are the things that really matter? Like I can dose you up with, you know with good programming and air quotes if as long as I want to but it's some point if we're not getting better positions if we're not working on things like pacing and we're not working on high skill move. It's and developing capacity and high skill movements or more load and Simply Having a program doesn't allow an athlete to do that. Like I can give you a bunch of spreadsheets and that's not going to make you a better athlete. I need to be involved in the development in in that person as an athlete. So yeah great programming is good. But again Pat Barber, so I said this many many times. He's like listen. Oh great programming can't is not a whole. It doesn't have a whole lot of worth with a coach who can facilitate it, you know, but I can take a great coach give um shitty programming and they're going to make it very very effective. Yeah, and not to bash that guy there was a guy there training on his own and I mean he was doing some moderate way deadlifts and I was watching he didn't stand up all the way once You know and maybe that was in the program. I don't know. I don't think the programming called freely no partial range of motion Dead Leaves you no, no and I again not bashing because he was fitter than I am to do with it. He's real cranking but that's a great example of you know, you're working on your own. He wasn't trying to cheat. He wasn't trying to short the range of motion. But if no one's there to say hey these your but stand up get your shoulders back might not happen. Then you go to a competition or life demands you to stand all the way up and all of a sudden you can. I'm good. He'll be able to stand up. Yeah, but you get the point. Anyway, thanks new order your hospital. I was going to a new world order. I do world, but thanks New Order Crossing for having us. We appreciate your Pinda. Sorry if for distracted you. Box number 5 on the first the inaugural Road Trip the inaugural roots. Are we going to do this again once a quarter once a quarter putting it out on the internet. So now it has to happen. All right, where we going to actually if you're watching this tell us where we should go. Don't just tell us to come to your box. Yeah, it needs to be somewhere where there's a high concentration of gym so that we can do something like what we're doing in Raleigh, which is getting to 10 maybe 11 gems and four days. Yeah a lot of training but more importantly, you know, A central believe a hub here at the head house throat highly recommend this Airbnb check them out. I'm gonna give them three stars as of now only only because it wouldn't cook his breakfast. It was no breakfast included. But anyway today on our second box. We went to CrossFit TG, which is trained to Go train to go. Yeah. I saw it on the wall there. Yeah, they had trust the process also and I was like TT. TP knows and mistakes are the biggest failure but I was not pumped to see the work out just because I'm feeling like a bag of hammered dog crap. But yeah, I was up there was a snatch complex. However, so that is my that's I didn't want to see that work out now because I don't think it was a good workout because of how I feel I was happy to see just a heavy lifting day. Yeah. And again, we've said this numerous times. We're not knocking we're not praising. Everybody has been super welcoming. We're grateful. Reprogramming juice. Yes juice. Listen not well those juicy wasn't Jewish. I don't think you know, you're goig, he's juice. He's juice. Yeah, that was his name juice. Yeah, that's not that was a nickname. I'm pretty sure it's a nickname. You can't name somebody juice so you could I'm just saying we went to pin down this morning, but that's her nickname. All right. Anyway juice was he was great. First of all crazy straw. He hit us math complex at 280 something juice falls in the not weak bucket. Yeah. He snatched 282 for a complex is snatch into an overhead Squat and he did 275 for three or I think he did something close to 275 for three positions natch. Yeah, I did. 115 you're weak now 125, but let's talk about it. The programming itself first box that we went to follow wasn't a classic heavy day. You know, there was really two different imams happening. It was similar movement. So he was able to it was the first box we went to whether it was actually teaching that happened right beforehand with the PVC and not the first box, but probably the one that spent the most time with it and really walked around giving some What were some of the best things you saw from? That was the thing that jumped out to me immediately was as you know, you weren't happy about going below parallel immediately, but you move like trash so so we can talk about that juice kind of said, hey, welcome to class. Grab some PVC we're going to do a snatch go and I was like to do something but in his defense you're doing the PVC pipe and and to some degree like there is there's large argument that like that's not necessarily wrong. Like if you should be able to do the PVC pipe any you smell to get up out of bed in the middle of the Night and snatch people. Yeah, what makes it hurt as if that's your fifth training session in two days. And then your body hurts. So know what I was super pumped because anytime somebody breaks out pbc's I get a little intrigued. How are we going to do this? And then he was what I thought he did really well again group management. He called all the Reps. He was holding people in positions. He was making Corrections on athletes and I thought it was really really I was I was pumped as a coach who coaches coaches to see that. And I don't think he did that because we were there because I don't think he knows who we are. No, I don't think we should have I think he was a super cool and in addition to that once we actually started he walked around to every athlete including you and me gave us coaching. Yep, and like held me to it like some of the coaching he was giving me on the Hang was that I was bringing the bar too low and it's like who cares but he was like no no hold there and go. And then he followed up with me on multiple reps and I appreciate it. Actually, you know, we we talk about it in the actual episode but it made me drop the weight and really focus on my form and technique which I would not have done had he not done that. Yeah, he came he came and around and correcting me on a couple of things we talked about like he kind of addressed. My mind said he could see I was like not really happy about what was going on because I was just feeling like crap and not and not moving really well and we talked about that briefly and it was just it was refreshing. Going to see that that he was in tune with where I was at and I didn't get a chance to talk to him because he coached the class immediately after that one, but I did want to find out what his background was because I have sneaking suspicion that it was Athletics of some sort because he just looks like a brick shithouse like I mean, he's he's a he's a stout man. Yeah a very strong looking individual and I think other things that he did well was there clearly different skill levels, you know, we might have had the most skill, even if we weren't moving the most weight in that class, but there was like kind of middle-of-the-road people like Justin you were talking to was taken as level 1 and level 2. Yep. And then there was also some women, you know, moving very light loads and new to it. Yeah. So Meredith who was right behind me. She had come from like a traditional bodybuilding or she was she was comfortable with the basic compound lifts squat pulling pressing, but she admitted to me that she was very uncomfortable at the Olympic lifts, and I don't think she expected. It anything that looked like maybe 55 pounds and I that would have probably been on the high end and I thought juice did a good job because he addressed this during the brief which was if if you don't feel comfortable those movements then maybe we just do a couple more reps and keep the weights light. And again, I also think that's the mark of a good coach kind of giving those people and out who are not comfortable with so they don't feel compelled to put more weight on the bar than they should move like trash and then this is where Are all of the bad things about CrossFit start to come up, you know, well and something we didn't address is, you know yesterday especially many of the boxes had different tracks and today would have been an easy day to be like, all right sport you're doing snatches Fitness your rowing right or whatever the case is and if that wasn't the option it was hey, you're doing snatches. You might do more reps per Imam since it's going to be a little easier for you, but you're still snatching. Yeah, and this goes back to what we did our Cast on the snatch and everybody can and should snatch. It doesn't mean you should snatch heavy load. It doesn't even necessarily mean you should snatch below parallel and go into a full snatch. You should be able to do something that resembles a snatch it so that we can talk about what kind of coordination what kind of accuracy do you have? Like what kind of positions do you can you get into and again we can do that with a PVC pipe and I thought he had a really wide variety of athletes in that class. I mean it was everything from like literally training bars to you know in the probably like mid, huh? Druids in there for a complexes. So I mean that's that's good stuff. Like I would that's the things that you really should see and should be doing in a CrossFit gym and diff because if people can't do that, then we're robbing them of development without getting a broader brush overview of his programming. I like that. He had the heavy day and then he still finished with a little bit of you know, skills / old you refer to that as brushes more just like a grunt work almost. Just like good old fashion accessory work. So we were just doing front rack holds with kettlebells and like I really dig that stuff because because a what end what people end up doing was which is exactly what we ended up doing which was doing a lot of bullshitting during that time with all other people. We paired up we were pairing up and going back and forth. So what they what they had program at the end kind of a cash out was four rounds of one minute on one minute off front rack holds with kettlebells hold the heaviest that you can hold so it's easy to partner up or get into a group of three or four or even six if you wanted to and just kind of round robin something like that. And so we're working on midline stabilization while getting to interact with people and do and that's where we had a lot of interaction with juice to just kind of joking around and he was like correcting me on my crappy leaning back position because I overshot the weight on the on the static hold. Yeah, and while he was kind of like busting our balls a little bit he was coaching like yeah, you went down and wait because he Basically told you you were doing it wrong again. That's the more that's a very subtle skill set which is like I'm going to I'm going to rip you a little bit to you for so you to get into it better position and I thought he did a good balance. I mean I would argue. Hey that could have been a little better organized but it is one of those things where does he need to because it need to be right where that you can let that kind of run amok and you can let that be what the members own and they do that on their own because he also said it wasn't mandatory like you can do this. He started to clock and he said start whenever you want to Which is what we do something very similar with the accessory work at our gym, which is do some of it do all of it. Do none of it. I don't particularly care it's there for you. Yeah, and then especially when you're going to coach back-to-back classes, like he finished working out coached was going into a second class and he was throwing a little bit of food down and yep, and that's a good opportunity where it's like he's able to chill and it's just a Vibe you create. Yeah, right, like he was clearly on for the snatches and and that was you know lower. Girl, you're just holding some weights. He can have his you know, pineapple or whatever. He was eating their things and fruit while I'm going to coach these that he was going to coach three back-to-back losses. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of keep that in mind if you own a box or your coach. It's probably one too many we've talked about that before. I mean if it's your job, I think it's I think you should be able to coach three back-to-back classes. I think you can coach five glasses in a day very easily if there's a break if there's a bright. Yeah Dave is a break 3 is kind of that upper limit. But I think I think juice did a great job with us great great space. Yes, super wide open really really wide open and again storefront and what I thought was really good and this is kind of a branding and messaging thing. I don't know if you notice but so they have their big letters on the front which is probably mandated by the shopping center. But then in they have a kind of like those High windows that are like so they have the brick from they have brick from probably from the floor to probably like six to seven feet and they have like Windows just above That and each one of those that he basically had the services listed. So if those people that are like hey, what is CrossFit and then it says group classes personal training yoga and nutrition. It's very clear what they offer there. So if there's you if you have the ability to do that in your gym and just say this is what we offer I don't you automatically answered many of the questions that I have about what's going on in that facility. What did you think about the fact that he had his phone number on the door? Because I assume that was a cell phone. I don't know. I think you should have a phone number lifted listed somewhere. Well, he had him and Scott I think was their co-owners are co-owners and they had both of their numbers on the door. Would you put your phone number out on the door? I only just recently stopped giving my phone number out. So member comes up to you and wants your phone number. What do you say I give them the gym phone number because that that that line if they leave a message and the gym on the germline. I get a notification with the voicemail to my email. What do you use for that Google Voice? That's just cocks. We use Cox cable for that. Then I use a text app zip. Whip which is if they can text that line and that line goes to the app on my phone. So I'm regularly having text conversations with members. From my phone that is not my cell phone number, but man, it's all the same thing, but I just thought it was cool. But a little scary not scary for like juice or for the members but more so just yeah, nobody's gonna scare juice we get the more so just like here's my phone number out there. I think it's cool though, because like we said if I were new showed up in the door was locked and saw that I was like, okay cool. I have somebody to call Ivan number probably text. Everyone's going to text this day and age and should have that. I think I think is a new gym owner most people Probably give their cell number. But at some point you have to make that break where you have to create boundaries. You can't text me at 9 p.m. At night when I'm with my kids eating dinner or like trying to put them to bed or something like that. So I think at some point have to make that transition but all in all I thought it was a great box. I thought juice had some really really good coaching going on in there and clearly they have a strong community. So like I was I just didn't want to do that workout. But you know again, I'm glad we did. Yeah, another example of the last thing I want to do is snatch but actually is feeling better. Yeah. Thanks juice. Appreciate it, bro. Thanks for listening to best our of their day. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. First of all, it's free. How cool is that? There's a creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. So it becomes super simple some of these episodes with Fern or Todd or myself chatting with one another we've done right within the app itself. 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On today’s episode is little debrief of “Dropping in - The Box tour”. Ackerman and Fern talk about each oft he first 5 boxes they visited on the box tour. They go over the pro’s and con’s of each and talk about what made each one fo special. They all were a pleasure to drop in to and were welcomed. It really highlights how amazing each box is. Thank you to every box, owner and coach that was involved. We hope you enough this podcast and the first episode of Dropping in which is out now. Our new Box Tour Series Out now! Make sure you go check it out! If you have any questions about our new programming with is due out in the next few weeks or so what to be first on the list - hit us on DM's or at besthouroftheirday@gmail.com Hey, team don ‘t forget! Jason new book Best Hour of Their Day is out now! Check out the extra content about this episode on besthouroftheirday.com Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts! Find us on Instagram: @besthouroftheirday + @thejasonackerman Check out our website - besthouroftheirday.com - to learn more about our private coaches development group  ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 