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I'm Maria Menounos and you're too. in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN app TV top Yes. All right, welcome one and all. Yeah see I hope you're watching tonight. I'm going to show up for you here. My name is Daniel Lindgren and welcome one and all to another episode after show of the challenge. We're all excited to be here to my left. We've got Benny the jet Rodriguez one. Yes and lot and I don't like that. I just heard that nineties reference is a while. Yeah, what's up guys many atoms here. Thanks again for Tuning in with us. Can't wait to talk about the challenge me to Camelot. Oh straight up from Camelot A Knight's Tale making it short and sweet. Hi guys. We're so excited. This was a on Fire episode. There's so much to get into so I'll make my intro short and sweet. It's me Pam. Hey, you know who wouldn't hurt you D Disney dance, I would not have a treated like a princess get it. I'm dizzy dip and last but not least you got David punk rock crystal up David. What's going on guys? How we doing? How we doing? Hello to you on the other side of the country or world are so lately. Thank you. All right, guys, we got a lot to talk about. I want to make sure you guys I'll stick around because we've got another game about it. I prepared. Yes can't wait. We're all going to be keeping score. I'm super excited cause I think it's better than the game. I came up with last week. So stick around for that. Let's start with overall thoughts and will run through that real quick and then we'll get to our first topic mind blown. This episode was just we were all on the edge of our sake like we were Really like yelling at the TV like this was this was a good good episode. So yeah, I loved it. I don't know if there's been an episode that we've all unanimously been is like on the edge of our seats literally shaking nervous for the people not knowing what was going to happen. This episode was jam-packed curveballs drama competition. It was crazy. Like there's so much to say that yeah. Yeah, I will say this was not my favorite episode. Really? No not even crazy. Wow. The last episode was my favorite absolutely. But um, this one was I was just so confused. I feel like most of the episode was like what the hell is going on like it was so there's so much like manipulation and just mind turns it just I kind of agree with I'm just so much going on, you know, my mind was like whoa, like just trying to process everything and I was just like why and no and the way they've set it up this year. They've jammed they're trying to jam packed so much into an hour and a half and in the fact that it's an hour and a half an hour anymore, and there's still too much for us to like comprehend half the time. It's like how are they going to go forward without gonna go back to our episodes next season? They can keep it clean and push push the two hours. I don't know but two hours. I want 60 minutes now and I mean 60 Minutes is enough. It was good to get me wrong, but it just wasn't my fit for me. It got better towards the end. Yeah whole beginning part, you know at first to I really like that challenge. I was like that looks freaking fun. I want to do that and then when CT through and I was like, oh that yeah. Alright. Well, we'll get we'll get it exactly thoughts on that. I don't think Benny like it that much either because I don't know. But I need to start off with my favorite thing in the world, which is a good conspiracy my girl it's called a dance Pearcy. Not up chorus piracies. I was very computer that and also Cara it's not a conspiracy, but we'll get into that in a second and let's start with that car says that they staged that proposal and I will start it off by just saying this one thing Tory's not that good of an actress. Let's be honest and when we I watch that proposal all week, I seriously My DVR, I went online. I just kept watching over. I love it. I teared up every time the natural reaction that Tori has is not staged. It's just not there's no way she's faking that so 100% So that's why cars conspiracy is not a conspiracy. Yeah. Also, even if there was obviously Jordan brought a ring to the challenge, so even if there was some forethought on someone's part that is not a conspiracy I'm with you and B does not. I mean that every ounce of that wasn't a million percent sincere and again, we could feel it through the TV. So I'm going to say acara the salt is she needs a little more sweet a little less. So stitches be honest though. Cara knows this isn't a conspiracy. She's just jealous that Tory is getting all this attention. I'm sorry. Well, it's one of those things where and you know, you know how I feel about Cara but this is it's like You know when you suspect someone of something it's usually coming the calls coming from within like if I'm like, oh, he said he liked my shirt, but maybe he'd really doesn't mean it. You're sort of projecting. It's like Cara. Did you stage something? Because it didn't seem staged at all. It seemed a million percent sincere again. Most proposals. He got her mother's engagement ring. She knew it was that yes, if you're going to spend your life with someone there's probably a little bit of forethought. It doesn't mean it's right staged and it's like that's that's Then you would say any proposal is Sting. I mean, he's probably wants to get the right rim size. So I assume he either ask the mom or maybe took one of her rings better looking and just like kind of got it measured properly like but I mean car went so far as to say that she bets they were big were married before they came down. It's like do you really think because why would they even have to do that? Anyways, why does it matter if they got married before or just got married after what does it matter when they get married? It doesn't and again the point the entire point was that However, we feel about Jordan Torre who we all I think happened to love that was a real moment. That was touching sincere sweet moment. And it's low-key just kind of just disrespectful to just say all that stuff. If you really do think that that's just something to keep to yourself because you see everyone is coming together, you know celebrating the to and you're gonna be the Debbie Downer. Yeah say all this stuff. Yeah, it's Petty and cars got her own. Stuff going on that's almost a she's got her own issues going on inside whatever that may be and they have this jacking super super cute little party and Zach says some words. You got Polly sitting there like a little kid with his he can't stop smiling is like the best day ever even Molly's in autism like Pauly her own significant others even there. So and what's so crazy is what we've been saying all season where it's like, you know, Polly actually likes Jordan Jordan and they literally set it on the episode. We know what we're talking about. Sometimes at least come on. We just call that five weeks ago. And now the talked about on the show the exact words we've been saying so, you know when God again Cara, you know, I'll always have feelings for her. But this is sitting in the bathroom. I feel like she's just full on decided to be a jerk at this point. I don't I can't imagine she sincerely is that nasty? I really hope not I think she's just committing at this point. Like I'm going to be a jerk to them. I have three ever. Thoughts on this one. Is this part bleep reduced like is it? You're the villain Cara. We're used to sit back and play that role is that part of it? Possibly. The other thing is if she is true to how she's feeling and what she's saying then I give her credit for sticking by what she is because otherwise it would be fake if she was to go out and celebrate when she really dislikes them. So then that I can understand as well. Thirdly you suck. You know, like like that's so like why you know Molly look like a sweet little angel. Yeah, you're doing something Rock Polly looks because you're such a cool moment everyone put the game aside. And again, like I said, if that's true how you feel then props to you for sticking to you staying true to yourself follow. God does suck whether that was true or she decided to see that when she saw how she was being depicted on TV. That's Benny. You nailed it. That's what she did. - like oh my God, they're gonna think I'm awful. I should just tell them that that Siberia purpose to be the villain what? No, that's just her natural reaction to stuff and she doesn't know how to coexist with the fact that she's like, but I honestly can't say I can't separates but I wouldn't I wouldn't put it past MTV to have that nudge on her playing that video when you get to see everyone have fun, even when even the most hated Rivals like bananas and Amanda would sometimes sarcastically like not tonight Satan and They're torturing each other or not. When everyone in the house bonds. Those are the like those are fun challenge moments. Yeah, and You know an engagement party time to set your game and your feelings aside and hang out with your housemates and we are it's just a bummer and and I whatever she's doing she's doing for so, you know, there's that but I would have liked to have seen everyone have a good old-fashioned hang out. I just feel it's easier to be happy than to be mad. I've yeah is less energy dude, exactly exactly and Tori and her again I get car has legit beef with Jordan. He's not very nice to her but I said I know people who I might not like their boyfriend or something. I can still have fun with them on and yeah, I mean, it's just it's like I get it. I understand. I'm not saying she's entirely wrong, but that you're just ostracizing herself. You're putting a Target on your back and your costume yourself of pain shelter. We had one last thing on car. We had mentioned this you and I were talking about this Pam Logan nitrites even on the after-show car was being bitter instead of putting the game aside and just being happy for a jury and turning so when they show that like three minute clip, oh David you had our talk As well the whole that time there. Everyone's six even Polly was there they're awesome happy I think cam was hosting it. Yeah, and the only one sitting there awkward the whole time was Cara together. Why can't you just push through this you're you know, you're being filmed right now push through and say hey guys, look, really I really like let me say congratulations. Yeah, she's committed or she just she just I know she's like, it doesn't hire know. I think I'm a jerk now and and okay. I guess I think she's always been socially awkward and I think it's like coming out in a villainous way now versus just a like a nerdy I'm being bullied way. It's just the opposite now. She's a physically powerful socially, I don't care where you go from. The first season we were introduced to her to now because it's the complete 180 I gotta bring this up. I looked at so this is not quite news and gossip but a shout out to a clip that was posted and going it's a no. No you twit aunt and it was really funny. It was from a many seasons ago. I don't remember which each where Emily was running like a what's that called that the people do CrossFit CrossFit? Yeah, like clinic and they were and it was Jamie was back in the day before we had Olympic after the mountain climbers training and Cara was not fit enough to train with them. So you seek are going up to Emily and being like, you know, I dream with you guys and it's a cutaway of Jamie saying I told you car that they were going to like Eat You Alive and not that they wouldn't let you train with them. They only let like intends trainers. She was a she. You've seen her grow both as an adult and gate ownership of her competitiveness as well as her social game, which again like I guess she's going for like all villains. They have a nice origin story where they start out as here. I was until then I'm gonna compare here. Have you guys ever you guys in Breaking Bad right? Of course? Yes. She's Walter White to Heisenberg. Wow. I know it's not but that's what that that's but that's literally what I was thinking about like her change from being picked on because because Walter White's pick the he has to work he's working at a car wash getting picked on by his boss there. He's a school teacher of the kids are walking all over him. That's like yeah and right now she's hiding something. She's got her origin story. She started as a sweet girl that was bullied and now she's the villain. All right. Let's Vaughn to the Rogan betrayal the Rogan Trader that he is he brings it up. No, no one else. That's how they show it to us. He's not prompted by anybody else. He just sits the guys down and says, I want D gone I dirty dirty. Did I heard it make any sense time? It's such a weird thing because I'm betting you and I were talking about this how we love certain characters to start the season and now we hate them to end the season and Rogen's one for me. I thought it was so I was like, okay, he's getting a sandwich. This is redemption season because he was awful and that first round that he did two seasons ago. I hate him now can't stand them. I hate him and can't stand him to and also so dirty dirty dirty as the day is long why General constantly lighter over and over again. It's insane. Yeah, May begin with her being like it's you and I baby like it's so sad. I could tell him that were in that conversation. He was not fully in the conversation. He was like, he's trying he's trying to redirect and get out. He's like, yeah, babe. Sure. Yeah. I'm with you. Yeah, but she's so into him that she's believing. All of his bowl. She's right. He's not into man. He's like no to he just made himself looks so silly on TV. Like he could has revealed himself, right so so dumb, which we'll get into later on. I can't believe any of the others were like, okay, that's a cool move will go along with this. We were like, it's so dumb on so many I know but you know what? I did like get I did like how all the girls on each side were like, this is stupid. Why are you guys doing this? Why are you guys making us be the bad guy to make us about her in which is cool. Yeah, it was we thought it's like if that's what they want then why didn't they let why wouldn't they that team put her in and make it look like other numbers and let us put torian. That's why we're here. Here's here's my thing. I know that Kaylee's on Rogan side, so I get that aspect of it but he is like look we got a trim the fat. I think D is the weakest, but rocking you don't know if he's not so much. Thank you. Yeah, so that's that's my point Pam is he's looking for a way. I know you guys keep it up. It's fine. He's looking for a way out Haley is clearly the one that should be going in there. I think and I'm telling you right now. I think he's a lot stronger than you think. I think she's gonna go very far last season. She was really good. She was really good last season proved it and she's the only way we can get she's that it's the dumbest thing on so many levels it's dumb because it's tearing apart their own Alliance of girls. And we she is on it's dumb because he is acting like a fifth grade boy. That's like, oh my mom won't let me date like it's like if you want to break up with her man f up even pull. Ah, hey for I want to focus on the game Let's separate this and reason rock. Yeah something but to have everyone do your dirty dirty dirty work that is totally self-made three. There's like three degrees in there that just kept like, you know, losing my respect obviously one that was the beginning but then to the fact that he was like having CT dude, yeah, I was like come on bro. You already going to sneak her out but then you can even man up and talk collar and Leroy really tightly. Yeah. So let's let's let's get to this song The obstacle course. Um, all right, so I think I think this is we're finally going to disagree for the first time tonight guys. So we have the first two challenges I see option course is a hundred and twenty foot obstacle course, which they have to get across they have someone in the middle of a cock blocker. I'm opponent Blocker in the middle and if you get that opponent blocker off the defender then if You get that person off. Then you have a free basically just a free walk across it great. The only thing cool about it was that there was a blocker there, but then it wasn't cool because my career is on right but there's also no room no to get around the block or you kind of had to stand there and those tiles up there on those are use I grew up on a lake. Those are used to like you run up jet skis on it to park the yeah, there's supposed to be slippery. They're slippery as hell. You can't get any grip on the damn things. You can't do anything cool as far as the wrestling match on a literally to foot thing. Yeah. It was it was it was just a one thing. Once that cock blockers gone. You just you just walk up. See that's her loss of from at that each time. Someone was going to have a blocker. So agree fact that they could just go that was a car that's stupid. Like I mean personally that looks fun to do like I want to do that. I was like, that's cool. Yeah, dude, but as far as a challenge when they lost like the competitive aspect of having to like go through something I was like well then that kind of sucks. Like what's the point before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite. Dust and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode. Of AfterBuzz TV so for me, that's where I lost it as far as a challenge itself goes I mean, I want to try that look fun. But again like it was just kind of like lame. Once like I said, once the guys threw the challenge I was like, okay. Well, yeah, you know, I don't even think the boat was going that fast was it because I was like whipping around right? Exactly. That's what I mean. So I grew up on a lake and when you're behind a boat and I keep saying it and when you're behind a boat it's going in a straight line. Like it's the easiest thing to stay on any type of thing that's floating back there. It's not a problem. Um, we used to have a million tubes behind the boats and stuff and you can if you're but if the boat is curving and stuff, then you start going over wakes up, but I don't think that that type of material would be able to go over wakes. But if they just had a bunch of tubes behind the damn thing, yeah, and then they start curving now you're going over the wakes and it's a lot harder but make sense. I don't like the block the block or thing was lame. They just sat there is a strike and they're done but the whole Defender thing was stupid. I liked I thought it was a good Shadow of a seeing that Jenny as strong and as much of a beast as she is is is not an aggressive person. Yeah, that's so interesting right? She's strong, but she definitely get physical definitely heard her tonight. Well Pam was able to knock her up. Not not not the cams nothing but I thought oh Jenny's gonna take you know, we all think surely Jenny if she had that. Yeah bulldozer mentality has the physicality to do it, but she doesn't match him Cam and Jenny. Yeah. It was pretty good. Yeah. Was that was good, but you would think there's no way that Defender is going to get pushed their both either going to fall off or the person trying to get across that there's no way that the person is going to get by the defender. I there's no way it was it was dumb. I didn't like it because I like real gameplay and I'm thinking social strategy. I enjoyed watching this a I did think it looked fun. It's one thing I would not hate to do. It looks fun. Yeah, that's cool songs Defender. I don't wanna fight anybody I would just Right, right, but second I like it was very telling CT's Behavior making Big D moves for the first time. He's coming out. So winging which I thought was stupid again never even though we all know and the alliance's are drawn in the sand. I don't think it's ever cool to blatantly insult. So many people like you're telling your team you do not give it s about the girl like it's yeah. Yeah. Oh crap, you know, like I said, I ride with CT and that man like what I like I lost respect from in this episode and I was like, come on CT is that here's my whole thing unless you're trying to get Kaylee out, which I understand cuz I really do think she's going to be so screw you over in a Flash is every level everyone knows other girls. I think it's gonna do fine to final it's not going to be an issue where it's like they're so far behind right? So why not just do it CT why not just complete it who cares? It has some follow you right? You could have got to wrestle Zach you guys are boys have been kind of fun. If you guys go against each other on the little 2x4 platform, right and I mean and you know, Very least at least pretend like you're trying exactly I'm always home. It's funny watching the whole rock paper scissors, but then at the same time, it's like yeah and Josh said it best. He was like your looked at as looked at as a legend on here and you're screwing up your screwing all that by doing that I'm gonna now add to my shut up Josh some shut up Logan to okay great. He also had like go like oh shit, did you? Josh and Rogan don't get to speak on chow. That's how I feel. That's why I'm saying I roll shut up Josh. He's like those are competitor. It's like Taj you what? Where did he come from Paris? Yeah, he's a bed. He will use the p-word for kitty cat. Oh at least Rogan stupid bullheaded very dumb not smart move is making some moves yet. So they're wrong, you know, right you can tell Thomas has more of a conscience more. Well, yeah, I would say, you know, I mean Paulie did Jos again, I wouldn't have been able to forget Polly who is now ride or die for I am not blaming Polly for this but Paulie cost him him and Sylvia would have won Paulie call. Austin by saying if you throw this all never use my Grenade on you a million dollars, so to sort of be cool with that just shows I think Joss is very trusting and you know, do we want to see him go through the ringer and become a villain not necessarily or do we but I don't think he could become a villain really thank you many people would have to do it for him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So let's let's wrap this part up. I just love Jordan going after CT after that. Yeah. But what I say to you guys last week I said Jordan does not want to run a final we see because he doesn't want 270 pounds of carry around. Yeah. I said that last week and now Jordan saying it yeah, but refuse not that that moment rightfully so to call know. Yeah. Hell yeah because he's talking about a weak Link in theory. That could be a weak link right is that's fair. Also, though CT was like stop crying Jordan. Jordan does cry Jordan does crime surprise, but he can back it up to you know, man, he had a valid he had a valid point. I'm surprised like they didn't like start like fighting. Or anything because he was taken low blows talking about his weight. Yeah pop up at the same time. No see Team knows that he even even said he didn't want to do it. He's like I didn't love my decision. So I don't think even though Jordans jumping on CTI thinks. He's like, well, he has good reason to those. I'm about fighting over this one. My thing is I know I'm in the wrong if I was CT and I have done all these challenges, you know, all these about challenges more than these other people. I would just be like, I'm not doing this because he has why does he have to go first? Why didn't the Duction or someone put CT first for a reason, right? I mean, I don't want to throw more conspiracies out there. But yeah, I mean production. Let's be honest probably put CT first to make it more that Rogan didn't have to do the dirty work again, but in theory, why did Interruption put Rogan first and really show is because I mean, maybe they wanted the storyline to show his true colors later on in the story. Right? I mean, you don't want to build to the front and then want to the end to see the more shock factor of CT doing it too. So it's just more at it in ya drop. Yeah the also idiotic thing about smart there there were smart for this. Episode that's some good moves, but he got in the boat and flopped around like a dead fish. Like he was not trying on any level to be subtle. So I don't know if that was produced or his Line in the Sand but the CT was making a statement so we should have made a statement by just playing the game and saying look I've been sitting on the fence All Season might as well sit on the fence for one more episode, even if you felt or he's a great competitor. She fell off second. Number one. I mean he could have slipped off over they gonna do if CT actually did it like if he did it and the next person had a blowout like what did you do CT do it again? I'm mad at you guys. He was a girl's elimination anyway, sweetie. What are you doing? Just finish the damn just daughters wasn't smart. I just want to see him wrestle Zach. Yeah, two big dudes going at it. Yeah. All right. So so Austin Kim wrote seat, he's not cancelled but he's on thin ice. Yeah. Yeah, speaking of credit. We got to give some credit to all the wonderful people out there Benny. Yeah, we do. We are AfterBuzz TV. Just want to thank you guys for making us the ESP and ITV talk and in order for us to grow we need your help. So if you're on YouTube right now, go ahead and give us a thumbs up if you're an iTunes, go ahead and give us a 5. Start working on AfterBuzz means so much to us and we just want to continue to give you guys amazing content and yeah speaking of content. We've got a tribunal of Leroy Nani and cam. What do we think of this tribe? Use this threesome going at it all night. This is a this is a very there's so many scenarios in this whole thing there. So I again, this is Scotty so produced because there's just too many perfect situation was yeah, and they said it up to in that in the opening vignettes. Like I call them they set that whole little thing. Up, you can come back to the Leroy 90km drama later. You've got 90 the best friend. You've got cam the the former lover / right New Lover / currently right Torn Between the text Stuck in the Middle, right? Yeah go. Do you choose that nautical and then what and then goddamn it when cam goes to his bed and gives her those puppy dog eyes and those lips are out puffed. I'm like Leroy. I'm going with Cam 2 a b so, I don't know what's going on. That's tough Leroy it so many times in this like and it's funny that everyone thinks Leroy is playing a dishonest game or something. I think he's the most transparent honest players trying to say here's the thing. I just want Leroy to join Jordans team so bad 1st won't even the numbers second while I honestly think after Tory's performance tonight. You don't think that Tori and Jordan are like even more of a power couple now because I'd be on their team all the way in Jordan. Yeah are on the Brits team right now. First of all, yeah, but I've got we don't know. I don't know. Yeah, but I mean it doesn't matter what side you're on we work. What side is Kim on? I mean what side is a ceilidh on she's on the UK side, but she's literally working with the u.s. Thank you. That's my point here. Is that Leroy works with Jordan happen? I don't know. What if it never Tonight Tonight. Jordan did say they told he says Jordan says I think you can see it. I think he said he's a day told us we're staying as teams and were not going individually sit exactly. Right the bar. He said what he said because Levi was there told us. This is T. I don't think you today. He made me came in. They told us this is a team. I don't think they're gonna break him out. It's too far into the game. I think it's win or the u.s. Wins. It's gonna be like the top three finishers get well then maybe they break it up and it's like in time wise for the individuals. They can't give what are they gonna do? How do they split up the money? I don't know. Maybe that's what the money like eight ways on each side and I like that. I'm playing this game right now. And I know I'm in here and you know, we're supposed to play as a team. I'm playing with the team mentality until I tell me you guys are separated and your tenants will be rice making the right choice to go with Ali and them because he's technically on us, but I think he should he should run with with Jordan and Tory. Yeah. If they be a nice player for them to have a nice addition, okay, they really are all a little dumb for doing this to one another without knowing how it's going to break down because they're gonna be so hard on each other dick ulis Jordan Rogan D. Like if the good people on each team started working together. If they knew if they don't know what they're doing and I have a TJ is going to pull out a fast one and maybe are going to be team. I hope so. I hope so. This is really going to have been happening. I wrote this down Rogan grow some balls and vote D in or don't or because you want to break up that small. No, I don't even know if it's like, I mean I get he's probably not that into her anymore. He got what he wanted and maybe he liked her at first but then it kind of wore off whatever, you know happened but just like up after the show, but well that little We'll just break up right now and say and just break up just cares like yeah, man up, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, but like but I watched the tribunal voting and he voted in Tory. He got Rogan raised his hand for Tory wouldn't that be the moment if you really want to make a big bang about it instead it had to be all done behind the back after and you want to make a big bang about it. He said yeah. He like literally went to everybody else behind us buddy that decision for me. Can you go talk to her? Why couldn't you just pull her aside at the beginning of the episode and just tell her what was up? Because he knew it was stupid what he was doing and he knew it was she's gonna get a lot of backlash from her. Okay. And what did you get by not telling Billy lot about there we go. They're saying this is what we want seat. He's fighting hard for it to which I don't get I don't understand why Paulie or someone or Leroy didn't go that's not a good idea Rogen. That's not good for our alliance. Did do that he did do that at first. She was just like wow, that's yeah, he was at least let me tell the girls right here. Everybody only ones to do that. Also probably was like, I actually really like that idea. Like I can go with that. Yeah, I think Paulie was just giving that he wasn't going to say whatever was the only one that was like, you know, that's that's messed up. Yeah, it's messed up. So in this yeah, so in this bar scene Leroy gets pulled away from the conversation with nany by cam because cam thinks that non he's going to swing his vote. Okay later on in the episode Leroy's having the conversation with Cam and nany comes in to try to pull them away and cam gets very upset by this and she's like, you know, I don't want you in our conversation, but You just did the exact same thing. I did in the bar probably an hour prior. So we're so cam was pissing me off is what Michael endpoint coincidence by the way coincidence that Kim's making me upset if they did the same thing. I mean, but that's my point. Like you did it first cam as with 90 does it to you? But then you say I can't believe you would do this Kim. You do started. It kind of you. They were just having a conversation at the table. That's following me. I don't know. What are your thoughts on the cam what I mean like again, like I've always bad cam to I like can't This episode I was on with nany on this, you know, I felt for nany on this to be honest, you know, and I think the French of that her and Leroy I have and everything they've done together. And I mean it's one of those things that like, I know he's trying that's a hard spot to be in. You know, it sucks. You're kind of torn between the two that stuff but I mean I'm running with nany on this one and I think she held her ground and I like how she did get up, you know in the face of Cam. It was like no like you're gonna tell me what the way she walked into that room. Yes, I do. That was a I don't think it should be a hard decision. But when it comes to choosing between Cam and Nani Nani is has been there since day one. Yeah cam he loves her but they're not even boyfriend Girls - you know, that's not his Alliance. His Alliance is with Cam and not he's his best friend, but she's on the other line. Well, I'm gonna say Leroy can broke your heart and now he's been by your side, right, you know, but but but Kill a can I'm like - you know, this is true. That's it. She looks very pretty cat issues pretty play 19. I think Kim's pretty can I say that absolutely. Oh, yeah, you know that but cam is treating we were I like he doesn't have his own mind. He's right. Yeah. He said he's a grown man. He can make his own decisions and his damn using lie right for the game Pam. I think partly. How about you say yes or no? No. No, I don't think so. I think both of them a poor Leroy is being pulled and they're both see me using him. I think they're using them as much as each other because I because he's a number I don't think anyone's using him more than that. They actually loved him but they both want him on their side agree, but she already has not he's already has a nice side though. So, I don't know if she's using as much as maybe cam is I love Nani. He's already claimed to be on he's already made his choice. So let's see how reason why it wasn't like am just read it up and said, why are you talking to Donnie? He was sitting at a table with the alternate Alliance who was saying him a Leroy If you joined us we'd of the numbers that's exactly what cam was fearing. He wasn't just talking to his friend. Nany. Yeah, and that's what but cam should trust him that he knows what he's doing because again, he's a grown man. He should be able to do what he wants to agreed with all these things and I think Leroy said it great and the room he's like, I think you guys are both doing this for Leroy and Leroy is fine, but he was great. He shot it down. That's my and had them sort of break it off. I get both their points. I'm sorry. I don't mind. I didn't go and bother them he let she let them have a nice conversation at the bar. And then Nonny then there are a couple mmm. That's fine. Like please - oh like chapter a couple or not. I think they still are so it's like so Leroy can't have a conversation with his best friend. Another of that. He's no longer in Cam's right him. Of course he can but if it was what scam trying to do swam back exactly. Yeah. So I mean it's a fine again, but that's what I'm saying cam is saying Yes, I am trying to sway him and not he's going no separate game. He's my friend. It's like you're not separating game. You also want him on your alliance. You're guilting him. Come on. Let's call everything what it is everyone that's playing victim in this game. They're not fighting for the team is all just because you're on the losing side right now. Yeah, everybody I love nany but she's sitting here going bad games different friends. Would your broom making this a lot about game with Leroy all your angst with him is not because you're upset about your Friendship you're upset. He's not on your lines ready for the live chat in a row. They ain't no damn couple next line Kaylee and km and Leroy said that we were together not an official couple. I would say it's complicated best friends now, I believe it's gray. I mean at no one knows what they everyone wrote something different in a live show. They were even here in the video. They're like, this is bad. This is you know, we should probably shouldn't be doing this but they're like, okay, you know, I mean like if I'm Leroy Not together. All right, let's get this because I want to leave time for the news and gossip in the game Lea. We gotta get to the poly CT Josh rogin Leroy while talking on the dock they decide they all get, you know, we're throwing D in and D finds out. Oh my God, I felt so bad for her. But at the same time I'm like, I believe she's going to be single now. I always go on. What are your thoughts? Why did I feel like ninjas should have been like the first person Person to say so I agree ninja sitting at a table shooter milk sugar. Yeah, exactly. How about this Kaylee at the table? She shocked kids like oh my God, I'm Michaela. You should be happy they're throwing D. And because you were next in line, ICT slumber party. How about that cute? That was the one thing I felt like I was watching like The Godfather or something, you know, like with they're setting up to make a hit like you're like, oh we're Taken out like someone tell like they're conspiring with in the team to like set him up like taking my arms like this just feels so dirty and like they know what's going on there like literally at the table like facing her like, oh everything's cool, but they know like dude, we're going to take you. All right now. It's like I just felt so dirty dirty to try and take out again all along. It's been members on our team numbers and our alliance numbers. Why is it D is technically in their Alliance and so is Kaylee who's the stronger competitor ad? So why wouldn't you put Kaylee in if they're both in your life clearly Kaylee's more in your alliance, then Diaz, at least that's what they're thinking because I want what are we doing? It is obviously wants to go in screw you Rogan. You need anything Davidson say, thank you. Thank you. I've been played and I believed like she was crazy. It was so upsetting that the Ashley was talking to her at some point in crying and I believe it was genuine tears of empathy. Like that's how awful and heartbreaking that was like that was hard to watch almost how upset she was. Yeah because a you're being it sucks to be blindsided and have a million dollars taken away from you potentially, but be to have someone that you really think I think she believed they had a future together and he's saying she's not Just not ready to run a final babe, like who started the conversation well, but a couple people were talking about it. No Rogan, he would literally just lies and lies and I can't stand my crust and and the fact he knows on national TV. Why not? Just come clean with all this. What are you doing? Right? You think we're not gonna find out you think I mean production obviously is swinging it that way if he maybe said something different. No, this is blatantly he said it this way and he lied to her. There's no getting out of this really weird. It looks so much better if you just want to just broke up with her. Hey, I don't think this is working out. We should just it's just be Fred weird. And now let's loc much better. She's there for another week and we get to watch the stimuli next week and a half from now. It's a guy's elimination. Yeah, and this is going to destroy I don't like what if the girls blow the UK girl should blow it and throw Rogen in against Joss. That would be awesome. Like I wish the girls would now go Team America, forget it. Why wouldn't why if the you why wouldn't you get girls blow it next week and say stand up for your girl D with in empowerment 2019 baby and Frolic. I'm so excited about this and throw in Rogan. I would love that Rogan varsity team. I don't care who we get together and the girls will now want Rogan. Yeah because why we go to the girls the girls go to Jordan to handles. Let's make this happen. Yeah, we'll save you driving will save you don't worry because he's trying to be nervous. Well, well, maybe yes be careful because it is a guy's elimination. So you don't want to Tory everyone will because everyone is terrified who's going to be fighting over that who's fighting for that tribunal though? Who be fight? So hard to get that tribunal tribunal any lost Jenny who's in their Reliance on that team. There's all it is is Jordan Tori. Oh, that's him and everyone else against him, right? They don't have anybody else. They just lost Jenny. Yeah anybody else? That sucks. Alright, let's let's get to this Hall brawl. We didn't I don't think we saw it coming but it is Jenny that gets put in we obviously knew that Tori was going to get put in. I really I was rooting for Tori trust me I'll have ever sent. I thought Jenny was going to Troy her yeah first I mean, I know that Tory's got the heart and stuff but just body-wise. Jenni's like built really sturdy and strong and scary. I wouldn't want to go against any I'll tell somebody this. I don't want to go get Jimmy. Here's the thing and there's so many things to this too. Because like I always say, you know, we call this glamour muscles. There's a million dudes. Are they look huge and ripped and bulky but when it comes to performing thank gosh what else? Oh it's which we call Glamour muscles at like it looks cool girls girls Yeah, but you can't buy some guys. Yeah, whatever you were into it. So like so like there's like this joke, right? So I mean on the bigger muscles you have the more oxygen you intake did I mean your condition has to be be there's so many factors do right, but the thing is a lot of people get intimidated by people that look like that. That's why you see guys like Jordan they don't just stop on it as it, you know, because it becomes it's more about your conditioning your endurance your heart all that, right? We call it popcorn muscles when we can write here you and Derek so we're making fun of Derek and Zack has excellent Derek a couple seasons ago. We can't pop core muscles. Cause he's so fit but then when it comes something physical they are kind of just falling. So my two favorite girls that are left in the house are now going against each other. So I was super bummed. I didn't want to see any of them go home. So it's yeah. Yeah, we all had we were all rooting for Tory and you were like about that because I was like dude either one. I'm bummed. These are the only two girls that I truly care for still in the house. And now they're going against each other. I was really hoping as much as it sucks for D. I was really hoping she would have thrown in You know no offense but I wouldn't care if she had gone home over Jenny or or Tori. I really wanted to see the UK team do something. You always liked. Those are two strong girls. They can kick some butt. Look I look I always you know me. I look at storylines and I'm looking just right over there. I want her to come back to be with Jordan and still they are the team because I mean Jenni and Jordyn are good, but they're not obviously and engaged to be married and have a closer relationship. Like Jay doesn't know Jordan from a hole in the wall. Nice girl, and she's not even have I didn't have a story like she was she was run over. Just because he's not that good. It's just the inexperience Factor. You can see I mean from the moment that she first took off. She was almost standing directly up when you're going head-to-head like that. You want to get low Drop that shoulder right Drive each have a strong base. Use those quashes huge quod. She could have dominated if she knew what she was doing, but she ran like almost straight up and dude, you're gonna get knocked over. If you do that, then the second time she tried to change it up and she was almost touching the ground. That's a tortoise one doctor right over she got way too low. So I think it's more of just an inexperienced especially in that kind of setting. I don't know if she's even played football. Anything, you know, it's a totally different thing lifting weights and working out and physical contact, you know two different things. So absolutely any other thoughts on the elimination is a good elimination. Yeah. So let's get to the news and gossip Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam to Quick news things that I have Ashley Marie Kelsey who's like best friends with Tori. I think they were on are you the one together or they were on opposite seasons? Whatever they're both on. Are you the one she's Wrote. Nah, I'm with those two pretty much every day. And she did not know haha in talking about Jordan and Tori and saying that Tori really did not know in Cars full of it. All right, that's one news for you. I decided to reach out to my good friend from Cara Maria and I reached out to her on Twitter and on Instagram and I wrote to her I wrote at Cara Maria whatever Twitter thing is just wanted to let you know as discussed a via our aftershow on AfterBuzz TV that Pamela grows Jill has agreed to treat you to a spa day and not next time you're in La we notice you're having a rough season on the challenge. We wanted to help DM me. So Cara, you've been reached. Let's make let's make it happen. This is Disney Dan. I told him I have a good meal and after your spa, you know Color Me Mine. I'm not going to spoil all my plans him splitsies on some stuff to make this money thing work. We're gonna treat car. Okay, let's get to my eyes. All right, and now for my official game Music let's see. What the producer does with that. Nice. All right, there it is. Right. There. It is. I put it I put him on his toes. There's good. Alright, so I wrote down some comments that have been written about there. It is good job. I wrote down some comments that real fans have written about Challengers. Oh, this is fun. And they all are about Challenger from this season. I'm going to read you what they wrote and you're going to tell me who they're talking about. I've got our names written down on this paper. Were you guys are only through it you only get one guess okay you reach you tell me your guess. I'm going to say the real answer. Whoever got it. Right. I put a check mark next your name. There's a ten or eleven here. Okay arrest the most the end wins. Here's the first get when you win a kiss for me. Okay, honestly, I loved blank in Vendetta's through final Reckoning before those Seasons blank was too sensitive now blank is to Who is this person talking about go down? Just give me one name. There's this is someone that's on the challenge this season. I got there's nothing like crazy you want to do you say it out loud? I'll go last you say one name Nani car Maria David David Karim. All right, Benny and David are getting a point is caramel. Yeah blank is overrated as F blanks done. Absolutely. Nothing to prove blank prove me wrong Cara anyone comes. I'm not gonna see the real answer till the end obviously because then that would give her Turbo. Come on this season anybody Jenny you can say Jenny. I don't know. Who do you want to set your mind to Jenny? Okay, maybe CT and the answer is Cam. Someone seven cam why Cam said there's no someone wrote all these things are written by a fan about them. I love blank as a person but I feel Jenny and fee or right blank wouldn't make it through a final. Jenny and yeah, Jenny and Theo think this person would not make it through a funny. Oh Daddy I don't know some of these get easier I promise guys I wrote about Kaylee actually I almost said that all right blank is probably one of the worst competitors the challenge has ever seen blank may have completed the final last season but blanks performance this season has been terrible ninja ninja Pam Yeah, I'm in Jamaica. We got to do one. Yeah 2 1 2 2 1 2 year already. I used to love blank one of my favorites but now blanks just a floater blank floats his way to the finals blanks not a good competitor like blank used to be CCT. Y'all are on it. Nice job. See I told you it easier the hype around Lake. I don't get blank cheated on her blank with blank but gets a pass Tori. Tory yeah, we gave it toy damn it. Yeah, that's a lot of gender out because it's I did I did I felt so bad for blank this season blank deserve a place in the final but blank gorgeous blanks musty teammates kept throwing him in here. Damn it. Vo vo. Yes. Yeah. Damn it baby. Got you guys. I don't have a confession. Just a question. Why does blank keep saying that blank? Has proved blank like self for the love of God someone please answer this Brogan. Wait, do you say it again? I don't have any pets. Just question. Why does blank keep saying blanks proved blank self the love of God someone please answer me this Josh. You got real good job, Jordan. Whoa, David we got all right, David David Zelli's 6:5 and Pam's got for man. I liked blank during other Seasons, but blanks intensity and poor sportsmanship. This season made me dislike blank. I can I can usually find a reason to root for everyone on the show, but I couldn't root for blank. Yeah, Laurel. I forgot. I'm cool. I'm convinced I'm convinced blank would totally be cool and wouldn't want a would want to work it out with blank If he if it wasn't for blank. He's never said a bad thing about blank and confessionals Polly. We we know some poly and Jordan and whatever talk about coffee. That's Paulie. You guys are great. Last one and Benny you need this is Ty and Pam you're out. Sorry if they have no idea if you have to get this wrong, this is that this is your time. I can't stand blank blank is like the high school kid who desperately wants to be cool calling ninety-nines declaring Blake self besties with the popular kids Josh. Yeah and David is our way. Yeah. Well, I got sick. You would have got Josh you would have that. Last one Josh here is not in the tragic life. I save Joshua last for you because I was hoping that would be the winner for you counting love Josh so much. I love that person. Whoever said that who said that there are a non in all Anonymous. Oh gosh, those were some great quote. Yeah pretty good job, Dad. Good game. All right. I want to thank you guys so much for joining us here at the challenge after show it AfterBuzz TV. My name is Daniel lingered. You can find me at Tick-Tock at idiot box boys Benny. What's up guys? Thanks again. Again for joining us. 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