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We must save Lucifer we're talking Netflix is Lucifer season 4 episode 9 save Lucifer the AfterBuzz after show starts right now, you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look, Right. Hey, Roxy. What up? Can't touch this? Oh can't okay. I need real really stop Stephen. I need you to stop with the those aren't even wings of this point got better though. I mean what he's doing the Macarena Macarena Just give me the chip. Can you please not do that? It's actually way more evil than anything on Lucifer this season. I learned it at Harvard as we are doing the Lucifer panel all the way to my left the worst wing. Some Everest even Lemieux. Literally. Yeah, thank you Tehran. And of course the queen of angel wings Roxy's dryers in the building so much more graceful so much more grace flap. Yeah pictures of feathers now, that's how I'm picturing feather. Although I kind of did like this horny or look. Okay. I heard it when we might take that back once or twice. I am Toronto. I will be your Hostess. We are talking all things. Oh who are near? Okay that needs to stop Netflix is Lucifer season 4 episode 9 save Lucifer. Our today's break down the case what it really means of course of the show Lucifer hates himself, we get that Revelation at the end of last episode, but it comes to life and this one Dad hates himself to Chloe once Lucifer to forgive himself Eve. Once Lucifer to take her back maze once Eve to take her anywhere. Linda's water breaks a minute. He'll wants to take the baby home and it's not where you think Father Kelly escapes hell fuck news and gossip special segment circles of hell. Since I'm much more so stay tuned. Let's get into overall thoughts Stephen. I loved it. I thought it was really great having the personification him actualize himself as he starts to hate himself and then learning once he forgives himself that he can be what he wants to be. If only he learns to accept himself for who he is Doug it for me. It was the first time I was afraid for the devil not of the devil and I really loved that amazing episode. I thought that this was a great precursor to what is going to lead to the season finale because I was wondering how we're going to get there and there's I can't wait to find out what happened. So this is a perfect episode 9 right before today's break down. Let's talk about that case the victim Megan Murphy half of the twins that sell houses the Murphy twins the Murphy Twins and I was a material fact now somebody's died in the house. They gotta let everyone who has to buy the house know they have to let them know the co D cause of death Hammer to the head and it looked like the twin sister did it as Held the hammer above the body that was dead with blood still dripping out of it. But no the murder was the other sister Beth the Forgotten one the non twin the one who didn't go to Harvard. Um, and the first person they spoke to by the way. Just want to throw that out there. Yeah, I guess she was the first was the first person but is this the first time somebody who's discovered the body is the person who did the murder? Well, it wasn't the person who discovered the body. It was the person who saw the dog science discover the body Myra discovered the body happen to stand over it for however long I'm to the garage door opens and the dark by the way, and then of course Beth points out and my rope runs away when she says it's instinct to pick up the hammer. Is that true? I think it is. Actually I think a lot of people it's the same concept with guns and things like that. You see like your mind is so shocked by what happened. You're trying to just piece things together. It's like wait my computer and there's a there's a pen here. Like, oh my God, there's a pain in my computer. If you know I covered in blood. I think that's a race racial thing and I'll tell you why as a black person we would all know not to touch it. Well who would leave Weed B gon leave your like, I don't know nothing. So I think that's a yeah, I don't know. I don't I would like to think that I'm still white, but my instinct is not let me pick up this bloody Hammer. Like I just know also as important Megan Murphy is the name. Of one of my sorority sisters and she looks identical to this person that made me giggle sheesh. That's super she looked identical to the dead body or the twin other twin sister. We got to see Davina all look the same or similar looking so sisters the sister, of course Beth does so because she is feeling as if she's not up to par or is good and we get a lot of that self-loathing in this episode what it really meant Lucifer hates himself. We got that Revelation at the end of last episode we go into this episode. And it actually we not only get a revel has a relevation revelation. We get the actualization of it. Yeah, it was interesting. When you look at it from the perspective of like Beth was never viewed as somebody who's good. She tries something and fails and now thinks that now ends up murdering somebody to go through it and Lucifer's kind of the same way in this moment. He's been trying to be good so hard for three seasons and now in this fourth season, he's relapsed and now views himself. A as somebody who is has screwed up and now he's trying to kind of hide the fact as he is trying to literally hide himself from the world in these moments. I thought it was a little bit of a scratch though to for us to jump from you want to murder somebody who looks like you I need to talk to this person to know what it's like to the matter. Yeah that concept for me. I was like I get it I'm gonna give them that creative Liberty, but at the same time it wasn't the most poignant one for me. It didn't Fill my cup as much as I think it could have especially for our penultimate episode. I really liked it. I really liked it because it did give me that sense on the flip side of what Roxy what you just said. It did make me understand and say, oh I can see that she killed herself without killing herself and I'll tell you why because Lucifer So Vain that he would do that which is why he specifically says, so what do I have to do dress one up like me and then kill them and then I'll get rid of that self. Hey, they made it work totally but of all the premises. As we've had of the case and what that actual metaphor is this one for me was like oh, come on. Hmm. Oh go on. I mean he wishes he could just take the bad part of himself and kill it because he says last episode there's something rotten inside of me, but it's still a part of him that broke my heart. Yeah that broke my heart and again, I don't know whether it's just me but super duper relatable. I think when we all look inside our core and you figure out it's not everybody else it to you. That's the problem that and you're concerned. It's not your circumstances. What if it's Me wolf but it is the first step towards growth for a lot of people tell me is the first step is admitting you have a problem. It is the first step towards growth and we see that that Linda agrees with that. However, in this case situation, it wasn't just growth it was self-actualization Lucifer becomes visibly the devil and he has to keep covering it up and hiding it to the point where he cannot at the end at all. What did you guys think about which parts of his body were showing were becoming devil first do you think there is any Rhyme or Reason? So the hand yeah, we saw into the eye it was the hand and then it was the neck area that she scarfed him than it was his eyes. That was his equal honest going the arms full-blown face. Did you think anything of that? We little known to the episode Lucifer's penis became full devil first. I read that article. That was actually yeah. I had like three horns. It was in Playboy right next to your article actually rocks. Wow. I didn't see it there. I shedding to go back people replay. It's officially cool to like Joke about OJ on Netflix now, I guess like that's because activities a club. That's the first I was a jerk joke. I've heard on Netflix. Hmm. Yeah, what's with the glove and the glove and he actually voluntarily uses the glove to the point where everyone surprised even L is like it's because you never you wait, you are wearing the cream didn't work. Yeah ugly and that's like a shout-out to saw me like, oh did the herpes cream I give you work? Yeah. Yeah, but this is why I really think that he is going to present himself to Ella. She's just been so helpful in there for him the whole time. I'm and non-judgmental of anything. He's thrown at her. I don't want it to be him to present himself to L. I want it to be amenadiel. I don't want Satan to be the thing that makes her realize that religion exists and is real I want everybody should go towards God. Yeah, I think it should be amenadiel with something subtle and we can deal with next season her being suspicious of amenadiel being an angel or something like that but like something subtle and not like Chloe status. Hey, I seen Satan's face Roxy do you agree? Shocker no shocked. No, I don't agree because I think that he is her friend and I think that we might be saying she should go towards God but I don't think necessarily going towards Lucifer is going away from God. I know that that seems confusing but I think that going towards him is one step closer to going towards the Divine and that will bring her to find her truth interesting. I disagree with both of you and I'll tell you why I don't think anyone should present themselves to L at all. I am Them as celestials doing so in the first place, but secondly, I went Ella to find her own way and not be presented with proof but with faith and that's what makes it true. Dan hates himself to just be better than us - Lucifer Lucifer ask Dan for his advice because he's like, well you hate me. Why do you hate me? Dan says you don't take anything. Seriously you get away with everything and you make everything about yourself and then blue servers like know something deeper. You know Charlie you are the reason Charlotte Richards is dead. And then the unaware Lucifer is the one who says don't be ridiculous blame me for something that's actually my fault and it makes damn think this was two different parts for me. Number one I had to decide do I think that Dan actually thinks that Lucifer is why Charlotte is dead or do I think that Dan thinks of Dan is why Charlotte is dead and he's not able to deal with this because was this trying to show us this is his first Towards forgiving Lucifer or this is his first step to admitting to himself that he has to deal with what happened. I mean, I feel like it's similar to what Ella is going through in some respect and you put yourself in a position where you are you develop a savior complex like Dan is a cop. He his job is to save lives and the people that he cares about are the lives that he would put at the top of this list and he still fails to do that. I feel like it is a lot of self-blame especially at the end of the episode when we get him saying, Kind of just like Lucifer saying he blames himself and saying that he doesn't forgive himself. I think it was a really big moment where Lucifer blows it off because Lucifer obviously is not blame himself for Charlotte's death anymore. Like if it was if it had just like when Dan accuses so Dan last episode accuses Maze of being in love with Eve and she gets upset and provoked and everything. He accuses Lucifer of being the cause of Charlotte's death and he blows it off. He's like that's not even a thing which I think forces him to think. Well, he's not even upset that I said that he's looking for truth. I give it to him. He completely blows it and it makes damn question if if he's projecting which is a theme that's in this episode. Chloe wants Lucifer to forgive himself. I think that this I think that Eve is one extreme, but Chloe is the other and sometimes you can't forgive yourself until you really have done the work and I'm not talking about one day of hating yourself and I'm not saying that he should spend years hating himself, but he needs to get down to the root of all of this and I don't think he's fully there yet. I think I think you're right actually rocks. I don't think he's I don't think he's there yet. And I don't think it's gonna happen overnight. But I think what what puts people in the place of Despair which is where he was slowly going towards with his entire body turning into Satan is the the 0% possibility like you have to have your mind and possibility and his head no chance of forgiving himself ever. But once he accepted that there is a possibility that he could it's the Hope they denied to bring himself back from the edge before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. 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I thought that that was something so we have Chloe saying you have to stop taking responsibility for things. You can't control Lucifer you need to forgive yourself. That is the mic drop moment for Chloe as as given to and was she is such a talented actress everything every word out of her mouth. I believe. Oh so good. You know, it's also kind of cool that I realized this episode. I know we're comparing this with Dan a lot. But when just to skip forward when Ella confronts Dan and says, I already cleared everything like you are obviously not. Okay, and I did this for you because you're not okay and you know, No, Dan, when you think about it has had a point everyone forgives Lucifer for everything. They do Chloe's always on his side. Chloe kind of has Rose Colored Glasses for everything that Lucifer does and whenever something's wrong with Lucifer. She's right there for him. And you know, this is the father of her child somebody she's known for a while and he hasn't been okay this entire season and nobody's really even like tried to force that out of him tried to be there to help him in any way shape or form May's took him on a beating up spree, but that's not really the healthiest way of supporting some He hasn't had that but to be fair, it's also who Damn presents himself. I'm the one who's put together. I'm the person always in charge. I'm the person that knows what I'm doing even in the past when I made a mistake, I did it exactly and specifically for a reason I got away with doing it because I did it so well and I'm the guy that doesn't share. I don't need anyone to share. I don't have walls. I'm so transparent that I'm always fine. That's how damn presents himself so you can't fault the other characters for believing him Lucifer on the other hand says the exact opposite. I always needs help. He needs help doing the most mundane of tasks because he doesn't know how to do anything. He goes to Linda openly easily goes to Linda. In fact, it was so he's so easily seeks out that when he canceled three appointments it comes off as oh three-point attempt something's wrong because he canceled appointments if it was up to that I cancel physical therapy appointments like twice a week and I only go to to so and no one asked me anything because they're used to it. It just depends on how you present yourself to the world. I think this episode really did a great job of I think Dan and making you connect with them and think less douchey of him. I don't know Roxy. I think I've always loved this character, especially because I hate him sometimes and that's why I think he's so well-rounded, but I don't I felt more for Ella here. I felt more I fell more in love with Ella than I did Dan because of what she did. It's so out of Ella's character to cover up for Dan to scrub the plates that it just that It's so out of character actually disagree with that as well. It actually shows that L is now thinking of Dan as a closer person because if you remember when we met Ella she was covering up for her family who was a family of Thieves and she's used to it. Right but for Dan we've never seen when it comes to the the crime when it comes to this. Which this is It's a crime what he did is he went and he abused his power and his information and she covered for him I'm saying it's not out of character for her to stick up for the one she loved. We haven't seen her have any love for her. I think she brings in downtown. Cuz because Dan has now become president himself as a flawed character. She relates to him more. This is now just like every other male, we have seen Ella have in her family. And so now she also feels a protective sense over him the same way that she did over the brother, which is also why I don't think they'll get bone Town anymore. You know, what's you know, it's really tough for this character right now though is because even though it humanizes Danny wants to punish himself for how the position he put Trixie in and he feels terrible. Well, I still don't think you necessarily feel that bad about setting up Lucifer. I think it's because of the consequences of his actions that he feels terrible. But this is very similar to like the back end of when you hear about something terrible happening like a police shooting or something like that and then hearing that oh, but the body cam footage is mysteriously gone. She's the person who deleted the body cam footage in this situation and because we know the characters we kind of side with it a little bit but from an outside perspective, Really messed up when it comes to the Lucifer thing. I will say the Dan does feel a little bad and I'll tell you why because if you remember he brought up when he found out that tearing was the one who hired a hit man who hired Ponyboy he was like, I didn't think that he was like that. He just thought because she's always on his reputation or whatever how far exactly how far he was willing to go and do you didn't like it. Do you think this follows Allah. Do you think we bring this back up because Dan's now getting kind of on his path to growth, but obviously tea V writing is conflict. This isn't TV. That's Netflix. She could get fired for this. She could get fired for this Dan could still like Greg the pony boy still knows that Dan was the one so does turn in anything can happen anything can happen which is why it's so imperative that you keep watching our after shows. We talked all the good talk about all the good shows all the ones you watch and you all at home are not it's not as much more. So a part of this panel than all of us. 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I thought it was hilarious that it was Wonderwall because it was like the most 90s straight thing but I skipped my lecture good such a good The Twist at the end of that she performs this entire soul is Her entire soul is crying at the end of it and Eve's reaction being like I know what I have to do now to win Lucifer back. God y'all I would say I would say not only did I really like the storyline the concept of the friend zone which which was something that was attacked. If you remember it was attacked a year ago because we're people only thought of friend zone as a guy who likes a girl in the guy not getting the girl staying in the friend zone and secretly wanting something from the girl people didn't look at it from sexual fluidity and showing his just whenever person a likes person B and has no other option but to be in their life as a And and when people look at it like that they often then threw away the shackles of what was known as the Miss nomer of friend zone friend zones do actually exist as we saw in this situation maze falls into the friend zone. Do you think that Eve is aware that maze is in love with her? No. No. Wow. Do you think she does? I think that she doesn't want to know and therefore she's burying her head in the sand lalalalalalala because I do not think that she is in love back. I don't think she even understands. She's only been in the company of two people and person a is gone. And now she's person B and person B, even though she can be intimate with people as we saw. She even kissed Mazen was seem like a passionate kiss at through maze for a loop. However, she only knows of the love of one or two. No three. I and that kiss that they say that they saw I thought it was so well filmed because maze has no idea that Lucifer and Gloria walking up and Just a little bit in the background that you see before Eve gets into it. You hear the voice you hear loose avoids. That's what prompted Eve to kiss and that kiss and taking it the wrong way and the whole storyline of Eve basically even becoming Chloe Eve basically doing all these things getting mazes advice on how to get Lucifer back that whole storyline was done phenomenally coming in is he looking is he looking still all those things? We know this girl. I completely agree that was done phenomenally, and I think my favorite part. Part of it is the fact that Eve is not as cool when she's trying to be Chloe. I liked her less when she was trying to be Chloe and I love Chloe but when Eve where's that bun and that beige cardigan Blazer or cardigan? Whatever it was. I was sitting there thinking this is not you and she was the one telling Lucifer this is not you but this is not the whole down. The Chloe pulled higher hand gestures copying. It doesn't even feel like her vibe. It was hurtful. And what's more hurtful as it? So much about me that I made me like Eve more and I wish I was dating someone that liked me this much that would go out of their way to impress me and do things just to get my cheek cosplay or side chick its mouth. It was just a brilliant way to bring this to light and let us all know and honestly Steve you're absolutely correct that cover was so touching the cover of Wonderwall. I was not expecting what Eve was going to do at the end though because she's like, okay Grand gesture what Steve's idea of grand gesture. Maybe she'll sing take me on or something like that. That nope. Not at all. Oh, the grand gesture was the the crown Roxy's write about what I know what he's planning. I know what she's doing and we see her talk to Kim Lee about it, but she's going to try to get Lucifer back to hell with her and I've known this whole time that there's this other thing she wants him no matter what? Yes red flag red flag stage five Clinger. Yeah, then we also said the fight. Can we also say Stevens right? Because I did say that I don't think it's Lucifer releasing evil. I think it's Evil coming from hell and being released upon the world, which is what we saw with Father Ken Lee father Ken Lee of course escapes through the with the help of Maize and Eve and then father Ken Lee or whatever demonic possession escapes hell and enter his father Kim Lee. I love that. She used one of the knives that maze had hidden away in Linda's apartment just to kill him. Hmm. I thought I was good. Yeah, Mike, you know, I did what do you guys think when when Eve tells father Kinley? Tell them the plan do you think he gets the chance? And do you think he goes to hell? Yes, because the demon yes, and yes, and yes, I agree. Yes, and yes, it's so and the touch of what makes you think I'm going to hell. I was like just a hunch just like trust me you're going to help but it's so crazy when people like that fight their whole life to be able to go to heaven and they're just misinterpreting and you're going to hell because you've done that's the case with a lot of Actually, that's the concept of Father Kelly. He's the take on a fanatic you're an extremist and you're actually the antithesis of what you think you are in every single way. I thought that was so brilliant the show did that every single terrorist would fall into that category and Father Kelly is simply another Terror. Yeah. Also, what you're doing is Right Ivan. So no points out that yeah loose if we find out that Lucifer was the one who originally banned possession saying that people were forbade from doing it again a hundred percent which makes me question what demon would go against and placed on Hell by Lucifer himself and do it anyway, but I think even if he's not there and I'm thinking someone maybe possibly Lilith father kenley's Escape. Did you think that that plan to do either one of you see that coming? Mmm-hmm? Because and I know Stephen did because last week you said you didn't think he's gonna get to Rome. Yeah. I definitely knew that they were but you thought cared that he was gonna die. I didn't think it no. I didn't think Eve and Maze would be the ones to break him out, but I knew that he was going to Player for the rest of the season these too good of an actor to not utilize in that way and I'm not saying that the guests are actors aren't but like the way they played his character up. He needs his ark to finish in some way. And this is a really satisfying finish by demonizing the person who literally lived his entire life to be the opposite. I thought it made sense. Well, the only thing that sir that saves father Kenley but kills him anyway is maze walking out of course maze walks out because she gets a text that Linda's having a A baby shout out to the Tupac's not my friend has not Michael not Michael, which was a great time on of course the Archangel Michael one of the seven days represents Sunday. So I love that. She gets the text. I love how much mazes into this now. I'm devastated about a manatee else. He'll turn. Yeah and that he is planning on taking this baby to the Silver City and he's not told Linda that and Linda even comes up with you can On vacations. Do you guys even have vacations? You know, I just think she's being so accommodating and for him to think that he's gonna he's gonna kidnap his baby. This is where Amber Alerts come from Laura wolf again with the same thing as kindley you think you're doing the right thing, but this is an angel. So is he really doing the work of God if this is what God wants it also doesn't have wings. But as of this point a lot of things are happening at the same time, which makes me think that the prophecy has to deal with both of them. It's a simultaneous problem. That's occurring. Everybody's on board with them in a deal is wrong totally in the wrong and this correct. Yes. I definitely not quite I don't know like, you know, like you have the Son of God and then you have 2500 years of history from that moment with an entire Catholic. Church that then sends priests out to kill Lucifer and obviously not good people a Nephilim is probably not good business for Earth. It's probably not good for Linda sake it's bad for the Earth. Shake. It might be the best thing to get the baby out of there. Well, we get to find out let's get into that news and gossip. Do we learn anything about this? No, we don't but we do learn something about another Mommy if you guys remember Charlotte Richards on the show, her name is Tricia Helfer, and she was cast if you I've been wondering where she is. I know a lot of people miss her here. You can catch her on Van Helsing. She's actually cast as Dracula. They say that she will be a Fierce and Unstoppable dark one as the battle between good and evil reaches New Heights that's coming from executive producer Chad Oaks. So if you're missing her like I am go check her out as Dracula and Van Helsing love me some Charlotte can't wait to see more of her. Let's play our very favorite game our special segment circles of hell away compare circles of hell to the episode guys. It's It's circle of hell today where it's resided by the fraudulent. Now, this one has a lot of different steps, right? It has tons of different places within it there's panderers and seducers in one then there's flatterers and another and then there's even guilty of simony. I don't actually know what so many is but then there's also Sorcerers and false prophets in another one corrupt politicians have their own obviously and then Hypocrites and the remaining four dip ditches are just straight up thieves evil counselors advisors and divisive. Visuals so it is a sin to not be able to make up your mind just to confirm what cemani is that the buying or selling of a cliff say she'll privileges for example pardons are beneficials beneficiaries, which the church Dental. Yeah. What's the charge State? And that's that's actually an interesting way to look at it. Simony. Can't buy your way out of hell that I think real thing. Unless you're a demon and then you just kind of possess a body. Yeah. I think you're allowed to I think the eighth Circle really applies to Father Kenley in this in this situation because he's Agilent in the way that he thinks everything he's doing serves a greater purpose, but it doesn't because he's a hypocrite. He's also an evil counselor and advisor because he's giving advice to people to Gaslight them just like he advised Chloe. He's also you know guilty of literally being a dick fraudulent is also amenadiel here. He's being fraudulent with the baby and what he's actually planning on doing and same thing with Eve Who's now realize that she's Got to get him to Hell a lot of our good characters quote unquote. Good are guilty of these things seducers fraudulent people. I think it works. Yeah. I think we've made it work does the demon attack? Everyone does a minute deal with take the baby to Heaven? Let's find out in predictions. All right, your AfterBuzz TV prediction. I think the demons Lilith because I think we need closure with Maison this family thing. I think the demon cues Lucifer Then a minute deals going to go to the Silver City and I think it's probably going to try to do anything. It can to set Lucifer off and set a war in place. I think it's not just like hey evil. I think it's straight up. Like we saw these pictures of Lucifer from the old prophecies with Hitler and things like this. I think the demon starts influencing things under the rug and what happens if the demon at the end of next episode goes back to Rome. But as a demon and father kinley's place with proof of Lucifer, then it becomes the papal Church against Lucifer with all of the resources actually behind Kinley and not him on his own personal Crusade. I also just want to shout it really quick the Prosthetics in this episode. We're really great. They meshed in with the CGI really? Well, I love it when they do real Prosthetics and not just CGI. I think that even though Lucifer now has a grip on his body and he's able to show himself as opposed to the devil. He still going to have to go too. Well, he's dealing with all this inner turmoil and he has to go head-on approach it. Even if it's for bad reason. He doesn't want to go but Eve somehow gets him there. I think he needs to go to hell to deal with who he is interesting. I'm going to have to say both of your predictions were so good. The only prediction I have is that all of us will know one day what bolo means be on the lookout. We heard it so much in this episode and we were like what the heck is bolo bolo police terminology. Where can people find you if you want to be found Steven Lim. You guys can find me on Twitter. That's easily oh and here tomorrow at 12:00 noon Pacific Standard Time to cover the finale of Lucifer strong. You guys buy me everywhere at Rockfish dryer. That's right mind hearing her here on this panel and you can buy me. I am Tehran all across the board. 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 Lucifer is turning into the Devil, and he doesn't know why. We're talking about the comparisons between Lucifer and Dan, Maze and Eve, and Linda and... well Linda. Is Maze really in love with Eve?! Is Lucifer ever going to be able to forgive himself? and better yet, will Dan ever learn to forgive himself! I'm worried for Ella because she covered for him, but there's a lot of loose ends on that front! Plus, we get more Father Kinley! He's back... then dies! Then he's back again it seems! We can't wait for the finale! Join us to talk Lucifer Season 4 Episode 9 "Save Lucifer" on the After Show! Hosting tonight is Tehran Von Ghasri, Roxy Striar, and Stephen Lemieux! Lucifer is BACK! Cancelled but not for long! Thank god for netflix, and thank god for AfterBuzz TV, because WE'RE BACK TOO! Covering the latest episodes of Lucifer! Join us every episode for in depth discussion and breakdowns! There may even be some special guests so be sure to subscribe rate and comment! ABOUT LUCIFER: Lucifer is an American television series created by Tom Kapinos that is scheduled to premiere on Fox on January 25, 2016. It is a very loose adaptation of the comic book character created by Neil Gaiman for the comic book series The Sandman and its spin-off comic book series Lucifer written by Mike Carey, both published by DC Comics' Vertigo imprint. 