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After show I'm your host Veronica Valencia and joining me today. He is a producer he edits all the awesome short form content. You are probably seeing on all of our platforms and a big fantasy nerd everyone Round of Applause for Vita. Thank you for joining me Hello. Thank you so much V. Thanks for having me on the show. I'm super excited about it. I'm super excited to have you. I've I haven't had a partner in a long time. So I'm happy to talk to somebody I was about to say I've seen a lot of your solo shows. Yeah. Seen a lot of those through the short form content, but I'm happy to be here. Oh my God Carnival row, honestly, I'm this show is so exciting. I clearly I do other fantasy stuff here, and I'm so excited and you know, we're going to get into the episode. We're going to talk all about kind of I won't talk about the world and the world building the themes that are going to be continuous throughout the season. We're also going to be doing some deep dives into the characters that were introduced to this season. So vignette and Philo, but before we get into any of that or excuse me, And we also have some news and gossip and we have a wonderful special segment of video is going to do taking us on a little lesson down mythical row introducing us to some of the great creatures that we are introduced to in this show. But before we get into any of that Vita, I want to get your overall thoughts on essentially what's the pilot episode? Absolutely. So when I dove into this I came in with kind of lukewarm talk about it because it's getting a lot of critical reception, but honestly, I really enjoyed the immediate sense of World building. Adding that they gave from that opening static shot on the statues that they gave that looked like a war memorial to like leading us right into this battle or it's not really a battle but the runaway that the fairies are having against what was left of the armies that were invading their lands. It was just immediately set me on the right track for this it set me on such a look at this grungy Dark World filled with magic, which I've loved. I love when people can mix magic and this kind of like darker Vibe a little bit. But yeah, I loved the introduction of care as character vignette. I and leading into her relationship with phyllo. We saw Orlando on that little plaque. I didn't even it's funny. I didn't even realize it was Orlando at first and then when they did the like fade into his face, I was like, oh that's why yeah, but I yeah, I don't know. I think the World building has been great so far. I think that The the aesthetic that they set up is so wonderful to look at in the costuming and the music everything just really threw me into this world. How about you? Oh, I loved it from the beginning. I'll be perfectly honest my kind of I like fantasy. And so I was like Orlando Bloom, you know Cara Delevingne Ali I should give this a try but also I think recently kind of the thing that pushed me to watch this show as quickly as I did was I wanted to give more love to Amazon Prime shows. I've been getting into a few of them recently on Go too deep into that but I was like Amazon Prime has been doing some really great show. So I want to see kind of how they tackle, you know fantasy and kind of going off of what you are saying. Actually I love you know, how you brought up World building. I think we should go into that first because I too love this type of role that they built, you know, I've watched so much fantasy where it's very Game of Thrones, you know, Lord of the Rings kind of this whole land kind of thing of Nature and then there's fantasy that takes place in you know, Like New York City all this stuff, but I love how like you were saying. This world is grungy. It's kind of like touring era is steampunk steampunk. It almost seems like out of place that says but I love it. Absolutely and like the addition what really threw me off at very first I did not expect guns right off of the top but they like really threw you into like World War 1 steampunk. They've got guns. They've got all the aesthetic with the gas mask. They've got the dogs and I found that really interesting that they introduced that up top and then we started seeing the Texture that was very like Victorian asked we got to see like the like bowler hats and the top hats and everything and I was really surprised because it really reminded me of a graphic novel the way that they set this up and I know that they I'm pretty sure that they have a graphic novel that they set alongside this like a comic series that they produce but just the cinematography that they had just every frame looked to me like it was a frame in a graphic novel and it reminded me so much of a lot of the Aesthetics. Of recent art that people are trying to do with that especially with like the lovecraftian vibe that they have that I'll talk about later in mythical row. I was gonna say I also have some lovecraftian ideas for the very end of this episode. We will get to that solutely. So I kind of want to dive into vignette because you know, as you were saying it opens right out of the gate and we see her basically being a complete Warrior right off her. Yeah. She's oh my gosh. He's great. I just like the the immediate Ends of how much she's been through through how she handles the that dog. I'm just gonna call it a dog for lack of a better word with it. I think it's a wolf. They called The Pact and the pack. Yeah, that's a wolf. Yeah. Oh isn't the pack to the reference to like isn't that the group that yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like The Pact dog whatever the way that she handles that just in comparison to all the other women, which we also find out later why that was all happening. But like she just took out that dog immediately. Immediately like she took out that dog. Like it was no problem at all. And it was so obvious that she's seen a lot of battles. She's seen a lot of War. She's seen a lot of scary things and she's handled herself so easily. Hi, I loved the way that they introduced her character because it didn't even require her really talking at all. You just got this immediate sense of yes. I am. So for her, she's protecting her own kind. She's really like she's going against whatever's happening here. And yeah, I don't know I I loved her and I thought Cara Delevingne did a great job so far even just in this first episode. I honestly like really fell in love with the character. How about you? Oh, I loved her too. I thought that she came, you know right out of the gate, you know, like this is my character. She's going to be fares. She's gonna protect her own she's gonna do what she needs to do to get the job done kind of thing and speaking of getting the job done. I kind of want to morph like go into kind of talking about the decisions that she's making so to jump a little bit of a head we see, you know the ship Sinks, which I want to give a shout out to everyone who is joining us in the chat by the way. Hello. Hello? No, I didn't know that we have actually yes, I do you do you shouldn't have it pulled up. I want to shut up right now Billie Jean girl 24 in the chat Jean Carlito. I hope that's how I pronounce your name is saying great show and then Billy Gene same the ship getting destroyed and everyone drowned was sad. Oh my God, it was so sad and then you and then ER is grandpa saying yeah that total ship. Caught me by surprise. They ain't playing. No, they're not absolutely not I was I was so surprised that like when I saw the whole breach, I thought there was some chance that they would be able to save it. Like maybe she would find some way but as soon as the second hole just opens up. It's just that I'm like it's what's gonna happen already? Oh my God, and so after we Flash Forward, you know, she basically has to become a servant in order to pay off her debt, but I kind of want to talk to you about is the vision kind of she made to basically live this life. So she's talking with tourmaline her friend who she meets up at within Carnival row and she's talking about kind of you know, how she had a job to basically bring people to Carnival roast. So it's like they're immigrants. They're essentially leaving this place of you know, Terror and chaos and danger to go somewhere of Refuge. But of course, they're going to a place where they're not necessarily welcome. And so what I kind of wanted to get your opinion, On was why do you think vignette herself never just came over to the Berg like tourmaline. Did it just kind of established? Like why do you think she chose this kind of almost savior complex in a way to bring all these people. I mean, we all want to be heroes, you know, I think that might have something to do with it. But I also think she just like judging by her immediate the understanding that you get of her experience in War. I think she just knows how much she can handle and it's so obvious compared to the other fairies that we're introduced to off the bat that they just are pretty much defenseless. At least on this island the remainder of what's happening between the packed and them they just get mowed down they get killed so easily and it seems like she's the only one that really was able to defend herself in any regard. So she might have a sense of like Duty about it that I think probably comes to anybody that like would fight for their people but Maybe the decision was almost selfish in a way because she knew she was putting herself in the danger and she feels as though she's the only one that can do it, but I don't know. I wonder what would have happened if in that instance she died during that battle would it have felt like something that was worth it to her? I think so. I know I agree with that completely. I kind of agree with what you were saying to is that maybe just her in her own character, you know because this episode did in open up with basically a little backstory of the war and then it opens up with her. So we kind of put two and two together. Oh, she was probably part of that, you know years ago seven years ago, but she probably you know, like you're saying does see that she has the experience to survive this experience to help. She probably knows the land better than everyone because it seems like she's been doing this for a while definitely. So no, I agree. I would definitely say that she probably has this she wants to be the hero she wants to be able to help her own kind. More more that than anything absolutely. Yeah. I don't know she her character just like the empathy that comes from her character. Also right off the top is just incredible. I mean, she's like she's kind of a cold character and we can see that in the interaction on the boat and then kind of the interactions there after not to jump too far ahead. But to like see her interacting with the police in the Burgh and then also showing her interacting with the head of the ship. It's just obvious that she's very transactional in a lot of things that happen between Between humans at least I find it interesting that we don't really see a lot of interactions between her and and fairies in this first episode and like the one that she does she's getting thanked on the boat for doing all of this and she's like no don't thank me and I just find that so interesting because it's like look just take the thanks. I guess like you don't need to be like Broody, but I guess in this world you do have to be as you say bringing a Broody and like even what you were saying about How our actions are very transactional on how she interacts with people in the Burgh. It's probably because of the way that they are treated differently, but you know who doesn't treat them that way or lie low Orlando Philo are good boy good boy Fila. Let's get into his character and his introduction a little bit. So Doom and Gloom. Oh my gosh. I mean, I think he's less Doom and Gloom than vignette definitely in a sense but initial reactions on Hello, edgy. He's so edgy, but I live for it. I honestly like when when that fade happen when the Crossfade happened between his picture and him sitting in the train. I was like, oh, this is a man that is like serious. This is a man that I'm not going to get any jokes from but I don't necessarily need that. He liked the interactions that he first have has with the two cops that are standing in the street that are mistreating the one Puck I just like I almost didn't expect him to go as deep into that as he did because he just immediately like he knocks that dude right off his feet. Yeah right onto the ground and it's exactly what I wanted. I love how both vignette and Philo are basically introduced as characters. No one wants to mess with badasses shouldn't mess with them so much. But you know, I from the beginning, you know, he is introduced as someone who is sympathetic towards solutely not just favorite kind of critch kind in general purchase, I guess being the derogatory word. Yeah creatures in the show. Yeah. I don't know. I was thinking about a lot about that and how I wanted to talk about it because they definitely have a lot of derogatory terms for all of the faithful. Maybe we should just say faithful. Look. I don't know. I mean, they wouldn't safe a pop folk, but I and I'm excited to maybe hear about this in mythical row if Puck is even the correct term because it's said by so many people absolutely that Our that do discriminate against you. I guess we'll stick around to find out but basically phyllo is here at carnival row because he is investigating a string of attacks. Yes, a string of murders of innocent faithful quic, we find out and side note kind of going to your point earlier. I found it. So interesting how he obviously knew so many of these people like as opposed to the cops that were introduced they like just treated them like they were anything else but he like went up to the girl. I was like, yeah, how's your father doing and like knew her father and like was able to go into that and that like was a great Showcase of his character in my opinion. But yeah, he basically kind of explains that in the first episode was they asked him like, oh, why do you have such an affinity towards you know these creatures and he says, well I serve to get with them. I've served side by side with them in the warbird and I hate the way that the Berg is treating them. I think there's much more to it than that, but I think that's how he politically explains it. Salute to you know, the not necessarily hire Society but to you know, the Normie absolutely. Yeah, absolutely to those like uncie Li Jack who is causing all of these weird murders that are going on. I thought it was really interesting the way that they introduced that character because like showing a victim of one of his crimes. I mean, it's it's General like procedural kind of show but like it's it was so empathetic. I've really felt for the puck that was injured in that. Determination because she was just it was so obvious that she was just a sweet old lady that was just minding her own business and then like then and this show is graphic. Oh my gosh will so grab want to get into more of that episode 2 where we expand so save that for absolutely but yes, and I mean Amazon Prime they are like we're gonna do they're doing they're doing whatever they want to they're They're copying HBO kind of in that sense in my opinion, but I don't know. I just the showing her injuries up front. And showing how much she was affected by it and then showing his emotional feeling towards it. It allowed me to see him as a brooding character, but also feel very empathetic towards him, and I liked that I liked the whole situation surrounding him trying to find this out rather than being like a bad edgy cop. He was like, look, I really care about you guys, and I just want to find this killer. Please help me out. I'm sorry that you're going to have to relive this whole big murder, but or I guess it wasn't a murder. It was an attack in this case, but please just Yeah, just help them out really quick shout-out to our sponsor guys. Anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or your computer creation tools allow you to hit record and edit your podcast. So it sounds great. They'll even distribute your podcast for you so that it can be heard everywhere that Spotify Apple podcasts Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. So download the anchor app or To Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Yeah, and you know what he even visits tourmaline. She basically puts it so well, it's like, oh, we don't trust you because you're not going to help us which brings me to want to talk about kind of in one bubble both the politics and the Society of Carnival row. So let's go into the politics side for a minute. We're introduced to you know very much like today. It's we have the two sides. We have the longer Bane's of the world who don't want creatures in The burg to begin with and then we have the brakes pierside who you know, he's not necessarily sympathetic towards them but he is more understanding of like hey, you know what they were part of our war. So that's why they're here. This is how I'm going to explain it. Yeah, and I remember that screen of it was it was beIN pointing at him and being like we should have won that war. We should have won that war and it was so interesting to me to see this kind of like Parliament back and forth while so kind of being like a congress kind of thing going back and forth with this because like the bipartisanship that they try to introduce in this. I mean, they're obviously making a lot of throws two references to yeah current situations, but it's I also found that interesting that they don't really make him very empathetic towards all of the folk. They just kind of make him like look they were with us they might as well stay with us and we can't like throw them on the street or continue to let them die. Whereas the other ones just like not let him die. I don't care. I don't know it was and the way that they kind of introduced the politics into this really also gotten the invested into it. I didn't find myself being like backing off of it of being like yeah, this is obviously unimportant like this is their society their society is groups of people groups of men and women specifically humans that are kind of like neutral and passive towards everything that are happening to the folk and then there are just The ones that just want them to be dead or gone, they don't care. They're like the remnants of what was the original army. What was The Pact and yeah, I don't know. What are your thoughts on it? What how do you how do you feel about the whole like introduction to the bipartisanship? Generally? I thought it was I thought it was a good introduction to give us kind of how severe the you know kind of discrimination is with the with the crutch foci. I don't even want to say Chris. Okay, it was a really good insight into just kind of how severe both sides were or even the fact that you know, like you were saying break Spears like they were with us and they're going to stay with us and they haven't necessarily enforced laws of like, oh, you can't own this or you can't do that kind of thing. Absolutely and it's interesting because although breaks beer is more of the neutral side. He's still very much for your Scandal. Absolutely. And this is where we get to his son Jonah. Oh Jonah. Oh you troublemaker you I you Troublemaker why but you know he's and I don't know if first instinct of Jonah do you think you know he is using the PHA for sport or do you think he's like a these people are fine. This is how I spend my time kind of thing. I think his wealthiness and his place in politics allows him to be able to like not care. Either way. It's interesting that you say that though because in other people's eyes, he should care he needs to probably keep that clean professional like Mom with his mom with his that appearance of like, you know, I'm the chancellor son. I can't afford. Can't be, you know going to brothels and then be getting kidnapped after you know, some sexy fun times. Yeah. Yeah, it was so his relationship with his dad was really intriguing to me. And I think that'll probably progress a lot during the season during the coming season because I think his dad almost is the reason why he's acting the way he is his dad's like passive to him his dad just kind of like is using him almost as political leverage. It looks like and so he doesn't see himself as needing to be as much of a son as his dad. Wants him to be yours. Mom wants him to be really so we see him just go off and do whatever he wants and I like almost don't blame him. I don't blame them either because yeah, he's not a son. He's an object to be trained to succeed his father when the right time comes or against. Oh, yeah, of course, he's gonna go out and adventure and kind of do all whatever he wants and not care about sis how Society views and because you know, the people who should matter to view him. Don't really view him as anything. Absolutely. Don't know 100% let's kind of dive into the society and High Society of Carnival row. And this is where we're introduced to the spurn roses. Oh this Fern Russell's cuckoo-bananas these two. Oh my God, they are so fun in their own right in my opinion. I love to hate them. I love to hate the two of these guys because like immediately off the bat you were just introduced to their like snobbery. You can feel just the money using off of them and the desperation. Ation in the eyes of the brother the desperation in the eyes of Ezra spurn Rose when he finds out his ship got sank. You could see all of the disappointment of his parents. Yeah, just lay on his shoulders like you made it you made a very poor investment choice and probably the fact that investment Choice even remotely had anything to do with faithful. Absolutely. Just yeah, I agree with you the disappointment and then Imogen she's an interesting one because I believe it's in this episode. She Seems like you know, she's desperate to try and like be in the position her brother as you know, she's she's like I'm 23, but I have no like suitors or I'm not going to be married or something like that. So you could tell she probably wants more respect absolute her recite in her Society can also see kind of later on in the episode. There's there's this one particular shot that really caught me. It was she was looking at the bird in the cage and she likes stands up and then she's like in the cage as soon as the wealthy puck. But I'm trying to remember his mr. Agree. Yeah, Mr. A grayish comes up and you can just see that she's so trapped in this situation of of her own mindset and like kind of being at the mercy of her brother, even though they like have a good kind of weird romantic relationship introduce them that do you remember that when in when they first walk up there like arm and arm and she liked leans over and kisses his chi. I was like, I think that's just like how relation like eternal We're supposed to be yeah, but the introduction mr. Gray is they clearly don't see a puck needing to be in high society. And he actually this kind of storyline really comes into full effect in the next episode. So we'll put a pin in that for right now because right now I want to go into some news and gossip. Absolutely. So everybody welcome to the news Row for news and gossip. So we have a little bit of news on the actual like creation of the show. We recently got an article from CBS news from Orlando Bloom's interview with CBS talking about how the show is a commentary on the refugee crisis. And I mean, it's pretty obvious. Once you look into the show. You can see kind of this big army of humans came over to a land and try to steal all of its wealth and drive its people out so Now you have all of its people going back to the human lands and it's he claims very shortly that he found it really interesting to have something that was commenting a little bit on what's going on in the world and that he read the script and felt like this was like even though it was fantasy. It was really empathetic and it was investigating the murders, but it was also looking at the fairies as representatives of the migrants and refugees of that world. So, CBS doesn't really go on to talk about it a lot but we could definitely delve into that a little more and yeah, that's really all the news and gossip for right now. Oh wait, there's one more piece. We already have a confirmed season two. What what season 2 already? We're only on episode one. Thank you. Thank you for the sound bite. Ya my gosh. Well, hopefully they introduce more, you know mythical creatures in the next season, but for right now, could you maybe take us down with the growing? And tell us about one in particular today. Absolutely everybody. Welcome to mythical row. Today, I'm going to take you through brief histories of fairies and mind flares and mind flayers kind of introduction at the very end of the episode, but it's very important to kind of know the history of them going on. So first of all, I do want to say that fairies the history and like origination of fairies. There are so many origination stories. They are involved in almost every kind of lure that you can find from Catholic to Gaelic to Celtic to Go to Norse you can find them in the King James demonology. You can find them even in Shakespeare. Obviously with Midsummer's Night Dream. So just to start on them fairies generally are known in history as creatures with human appearances that have met magical powers ranging in size from the size of a tiny tiny like two inches to the size of a human child but descriptions vary wildly, but Way continuing for they were found kind of in Christian lore later in the demonology and talk about like they possibly are like demoted Angels rather than Fallen Angels, but we'll get more into fairies on next episode. So the next subject that I want to bring up specifically are the Cthulhu like mine flares also known as elephants that were kind of introduced in Dungeons and Dragons and also known popularly in the HP Lovecraft. Lure. These are kind of creatures with octopus looking. That are normally seen as like these creatures that are very strong with psionic magic which are very like folks didn't mind Magics which is very different from what we end up seeing this creature do at the end of the episode. I find it really interesting to see where this creature ends up going because honestly it is going a totally different route than the normal DND mind flayers which are seen as these like robed magic users. This is a big hulking Beast with claws. As that'll tear out peoples guts. But yeah, that's it for mythical row. Thank you very much. I would love thank you so much for that video. And I would love to expand on the Cthulhu kind of mine flare stuff but in the next episode because we are getting ready to do that. Thank you so much for joining us here for the very first episode of the Carnivora laughter show. If you know, where can the fans find you on social media? You can find me anywhere at V scuti SCU TTI that's VSC UTI on Instagram and Twitter. 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