Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to nightmare on film street. I'm Kim. I'm John and this week. We are talking triple it threat that triplet threat. I wanted to say it like triple threat and I did. Yeah, and I think you also get it with triplet threat. Yeah, but triple it threat. That's right this week. We are talking about some Sinister siblings some killer. Kin. Oh, well that one out. That's good. Let's see if we got another one McCobb family members specifically concerning 2005's House of Wax and 2003's Wrong Turn. Yeah, we've been wanting to do both of these films for won't we? I've been wanting to do both of these films for a while. We've again I had a really hard time pairing them together fact on the board where we have all of our episodes listed for Next four months. It just says House of Wax versus question mark I actually put a poll up on Twitter last month and you guys really helped us out in picking a partner for this weeks episode that pole ended up having over 800 votes and I think 600 or more were for wrong turn a lot of people thrown in the Hat for black Xmas though. Yeah, the 2005-2006. We actually recently tried to re-watch it. We were doing a bunch of other stuff. Well, it happened though. So we Has anybody ever actually paid attention to that movie while watching it? I don't know but I would get to one sharpened candy cane in your out. Okay, calm down. I do want to watch it for reals though because I was walking in and out of the room where the TV was on and all of a sudden somebody's eyes were being pulled out of their head and I was like, okay we're going there. So it's a pretty gory movie. I would recommend we all revisit it. That's what I recommend. Hmm. You don't have to love it. It's gonna be gross though. I suppose that's true. Know that I necessarily loved either of these movies we're gonna talk about them know before we get into that though Kim. What is keeping you creepy this week. Well, we have a whole bunch of stuff happening over at our patreon page. We just announced that we're going to be doing our first ever live stream at the time of release. We had initially scheduled it for the 21st, but I have just learned that the Joe Bob's Christmas special is going to be that the exact same time. We're in Canada. So we don't get the pleasure of experiencing that live but I know a lot of you will be so we're will probably put a poll up on patreon and see when you guys are going to be around during the Christmas break and we'll reschedule that at some point during Christmas in between Christmas and New Year's Before Christmas. We'll figure out what works best for you guys and then we'll do it then but that'll be at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street. If there's not a post-op now, we'll put one up this weekend. We also like probably a lot of you went to go see the possession of Hannah Grace last week. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot we Eddie you forgot? Well, I had to write we had to write a review on it. We recorded an episode on it. I'm done talking about it. Yeah, it's already moved on I you know, I really wanted to look up this. It's Monday morning when we were recording this. I really wanted to look up with the box office totals were because regardless of how we feel about it. If it did. Alright this weekend's I wanted to retweet that. I did remember seeing an article something along the lines of Dead on Arrival, so I'm going to say Didn't do they wrote that headline eight months ago. It's true. Yeah, what would you say? What did well like slaughtered that you can't say that for a more good thing. I'm not gonna lie like solve is on Ice. I don't know is low-hanging fruit. Does he Dead on Arrival? I also included it as a episode-description in our for our drive home from the driving review on patreon if you want to hear our full thoughts, but I mean like in the car handful of words or less. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really have much else other than that. Yeah. I mean if you have a movie theater gift cards burning a hole in the in your back pocket, you don't feel like seeing Fantastic Beasts 8 or 10 to and you really want some popcorn sure. There's some really scary moments, but overall it's just not a it's not the most cohesive film and it doesn't have the greatest awareness of have its own horror elements. So I mean most films that aren't good at least you're like, well it was a horror movie and it got there's kills or their scares or this kind of doesn't nail those either so Some of the effects are good. Yeah Sam. Yeah, it's all right. I mean if you're a completist like we are you're probably going to see every movie that came out this year and we are still burning the candle at both ends trying to finish off literally every movie that came out this year regardless of whether or not it's going to be in our top ten. Yeah. So we're really narrowing down our picks. We're going to have our top ten each of us have mayor going to be making a list of our top 10 movies of 2018. We did it all so last year. We should be putting out a bonus episode for you guys. The holidays providing we can get the rest of these films fucking watch. Yeah. Yeah. There's just a lot of last-minute cramming. It's fine though. Yeah, if you have not heard us mention your favorite movie of the year so far on the podcast give the day this drops tweet at us. Yeah, let us know we big big surprise for me was you were never really here that Joaquin Phoenix movie directed by Lynn Ramsey Wheels it directed we need to talk about Kevin fucking loved. Did it so I'd highly recommend that if you haven't seen that yet. But yeah, so keep your eyes peeled throughout December. We're going to be having some more of our top 10 picks of who knows of that'll make John's list. I have no idea what your your picks are waiting to waiting to reveal them till we record the episode so there can be like real life look gasps. I think we both have a pretty good idea. What each of our lists are gonna be. Yeah. I think we're both going to be surprised. We you know, we should do we should write down what we think the other persons list. What if I wrote? Yeah, but for you, I kind of just want to write the same movie five times cheating. You'll be right once other than that before we get into the show. I just want to give a big shout-out to our most recent patrons Emily Maxwell and will their own terrible triplet e twin triplets. Yeah, they're roaming the countryside right now to take it over cabins murdering people and supporting pain. Podcast they like I'm in like there's a lot there's a lot of Pocket Change left over in the glove box or the cigarette ash tray throughout the car of the people. You've killed and I'm really, you know, blood money is not great, but I take it. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for your support. If you want to pledge Nightmare On Film Street for as low as $2 a month. You can unlock some really cool rewards bonus episodes and a whole bunch of stuff. That's at patreon. Home / Nightmare On Film street, but I think it's time to talk about terrible. Wait. What is this episode called triple it threats beginning with dark castles know I'm a rephrase that beginning with Paris Hilton's House of Wax. I don't think anyone's here. Was that huh? His wax literally this is weird. Looks like a hell of a party. Tell me this doesn't look real. You're saying that's a real person underneath. So House of Wax 2005 currently sitting at a 5.3 out of 10 on IMDb 25 percent on Rotten Tomatoes, two point four out of five on letterbox and Roger Ebert gave it a two out of four. No surprisingly. John had not seen this film prior to us watching it for the podcast. Nope, which is crazy because this came out during the weird. There was this like slasher Resurgence, but they were these weird sort of hyper fast super stylized gory airbrushed goal that they do. They just weed optimized the horror formula at that point and they were just delivering them fast and furious and then you got a whole bunch of these Dark Castle films, which Each House of Wax is right there in the middle. Yeah of the Platinum Dunes Dark Castle stuff. I think this is the only one I haven't seen I don't know why but if I think back to cynical High School me just the curmudgeon that I was back then it's probably because Paris Hilton was in it. I think this was my Rebellion against the whole Paris Hilton craze was not seeing this movie, but I also don't have a memory of even thinking that I did for whatever reason I just never saw this one. I don't I know that I missed a lot I disagree maybe okay, maybe I would have more of an appreciation for this movie If I saw it back in 2005, but I didn't so here I am. Yeah, but all of these movies just feel so early 2000s don't you have that kind of feeling when you watch it? Like don't you see what you see and House on Haunted Hill and in 13 Ghosts in this film. Absolutely. And I mean it is it's all the Beats of like every guilty pleasure movie that I love. Of so, maybe I'd have some small nostalgic feeling for it, but I don't love this movie John you did. Okay just cram a dim eyeballs. But you know what, you do make an interesting point because this I would say is the loosest of the Dark Castle William Castle remakes. This one is kind of a remake of House of Wax, which we did Cover previously in the podcast. The 1963 Cal. I think I might even earlier than that 1950 something. How's the wax which we yeah, we did Cover previously. This is a really loose remake. It's kind of only a remake in name. They're both based off Source material. I think there was a 1933 film and then also a short story but this film does take quite a few Liberties. I was thinking the same thing actually and it's one of the notes that I wrote down because House on Haunted Hill very lived, you know, very different from the original but pretty follows pretty closely. I guess 13 Ghosts is also kind of like a weird step Sideways from what that is. Original Source material was like but in this you're right. It's just yes, there is a house racks figures in there. And that's that's it. That's all that's anything close to the original even though what that House of Wax is is completely different. Yeah and like the setting and everything everything surrounding the film is completely new to this version. Yeah best. I can remember and in the 1958. I'm just going to be confident about it. I'm just gonna throw that fucking number right there. The 1958 classic I do not. Amber a group of college kids driving across state to go to a football game. That was a huge Liberty. They took on this one and you know, I appreciated it but still they're driving for days to get to this football game. I there isn't a concert I would go to that. I would take me days to drive to I don't think there was ever supposed to be a camp situation. They are driving and for whatever reason it's taking them too long. There's that detour and they decide to camp for the night. They have Camp gear and then they get up the next day to go to the game. Okay. Well if there was never a plan to stop halfway through this trip, why do they even have the camp gear? Are they going to attend tailgating job? Okay. Yeah now that you mention it no matter what it was still two days out. Yeah, so they Park in the like basically they find an empty lot sort of to park in like a grassy knoll. I've had it's perfect for camping and killing your president. Oh, and I'm just You did stinking all of a sudden everybody's got their hands to their nose because that's how you reiterate to an audience who can't smell what you smell. Yeah that something smells bad and then Paris Hilton's like smell but I was a labyrinth reference was it? Yeah, that was Pluto. I think that might have been the first Labyrinth reference. I haven't gotten that is the Ludo is the big werewolf monster guy. What is this? His name's Ludo, but what's his species do we know into the leave me alone? Jim Henson puppet is a species. He looks like a bear with a saber tooth tiger as a mother kind of yeah, that seems really weird because yeah, you can't convey that something smells bad in a movie if it's something you can't see like, oh the stinky winds are here and they're all just like who and then they just stay. Yeah. It smells like something died and it's like well, maybe go Somewhere else you pick this place like arbitrarily. Yeah arbitrary. Is that a word? Yeah. Yeah. It's a word. So just move it looked like it was pretty easy to set up camp. Yeah. They were playing football in no time. Oh my God. That was my favorite. They're like, oh so tired. Let's just pull over. So after Paris Hilton and her boyfriend are done with their Road six. They had been a certain opportunity there though. They had that they're both driving beside each other on that like one lane road and normally when When cars do that in a movie somebody comes head on but I guess they wanted the road to be empty. Yeah, but they made a lot of like maybe they just wanted us tense. There were a lot of shots on the cars driving. Maybe it's just my anxiety, you know when I see things like that happen in movies on my know like whenever you see somebody in a car and we look at them through the driver's side window or through. Oh, you know, they're dead from the passenger side through to the driver's side. Oh, you know that they're getting T-Bone. You know, what's crazy is that this is the T-bone angle. That's a tradition. That's come from commercial. Jules I think yeah, we see it in the movies a lot. But I see that more of Kinetics. I love those scenes in movies where dudes just start playing football because it's always exactly the same. He pulls out the football like oh, hey look what I just found and then he tosses it and it's almost like it's infectious like oh my God. I just got a football. This is incredible and he does it to somebody else like we're having a great time. It doesn't make any sense, but they pulled over because it was so late. So I figure when 20-somethings cannot possibly Drive anymore. More they drink and they pull over. It's at least two in the morning or after midnight. Like they should have enough time to set up camp and collapse in their tents. Well to be fair to be fair. They wake up the next day and and I'm Blake announces to everyone still asleep guys. Wake up. It's 2:30. What so I think it was two in the morning when they pulled over. That's insane. That is insane. I don't think a single person in the history of camping has slept past noon. It's impossible. Fresh morning air the hot Goro stands. Yeah, it's the worst I hate camping and you know, no matter what he's oh no, this is the right spot to put a tent. This is the the flat spot. It's up high. We're not going to get water. Everything's wet. Everything's gross everything hurts. Your air mattress is deflated. And worst of all somebody's cut your fan belt and there's dirt. Oh, yeah. This is me trying to progress the podcast. Yes. Just complaining about camping. Why did the okay? So in the middle of the night a guy in a truck comes that's really Sinister 3 Carol's Deeks gots helpful head like he might have headphones on we couldn't see but he's just staring at them and we could tell he's got he's got scars on his wrists just like the the baby did in the cold open in the movie. What is that cold open? How did we forget that is a weird cold open? Yeah. So to terrible parents are trying to feed their kids and also make wax figures. Yeah, they're doing like death masks for breakfast. And one kids not having any of it. So we got a strap them down and then duct tape the Strand there's like blood coming out. You just like no he's terrible house away, but then it's like well can't you be like your brother and then there's one or another baby in another high chair. She's just like eating his Cheerios all like cool. No problem. No beans so clearly this is the guy that is watching them from the pickup truck. Definitely the same guy that cut that fan belt leaving half of them stranded. So while the boys are all standing around the car and trying to Figure out what's going wrong. The girls are like let's go and find out what stinks so bad. So the girls go off into the woods and all we forgot to talk about Paris Hilton's pregnancy moment. There's too much happening. It's so good though. As soon as they Park literally the second they are out of the truck. The girls are rounding the truck just like having a little whisper talk and Paris Hilton's like I don't know if I can tell him yet and then I'll Lisha a cuff Birds character is like no, you should tell him you should just like lat. No, and she's like, well, I've been late before and then it was just the most ham-fisted character development moment. I have I've ever seen. Well it all up seen it also comes after that gag where they think that she is giving her boyfriend a blow job while they're driving which is where she found her lip balm and she's like you can't do that. You haven't told him you're pregnant yet. You're like what those two things are completely unrelated first off second. This was a weird way to bring this up. Yeah. It was so weird because they just so So they're camping. It's not the greatest situation, but we have to have this little side pregnancy talk for no reason and then they just go back to the rest of the movie and we never bring it up again. No, it doesn't until we'll talk about when it comes up again later, I guess so the girls are walking in the woods and sir. I'm going to say the actual character names. That's fine. So Jesse, you know that's wrong is wrong movie. So Carly is Elisha cuthbert's character. So Carly and Paige Paige is Paris. Them they are walking through the woods Carly slips on something. She falls down a sort of Cliff hilly thing that you know that exists in the woods and lands face first, you know, how Woods do face-first in a pile of animal carcasses? Yeah and can't kiss is like a lake of roadkill, but she's literally like I've fallen and I can't get up because the Paris Hilton look is who her character is. She just like stands there. No, no, I can't I am with child. So the guys come and rescue her basically. Yeah, and then Chad Michael Murray who is Carly's brother. Yeah, twin brother. We fight are they twins? They are twins. They say twins. He takes off his tank top and gives it to her because hers is covered in like animal whose, you know, when the smelly wins first show. The winds came from across the bay. I'm really proud that you knew right away though, because I literally had to stop. Oh, I don't mess around my Frank Sinatra references or my Simpsons reference. Exactly. Anything goes here. Yeah, when I first when those smelly ones first rolled in from across the bay. I really thought it was going to be the House of Wax. I thought it was that they were taking human people. Oh, that would make using human fat to make the Tallow for the weights. That's Fight Club. That's soap. I can't wait. See you in 2005. I was his host but I was busy watching another movie Forks in our lives and you need to tell our soap night took a human candle. I mean, unfortunately the me like a lot of boys in high school chose Fight Club over anything else and it was a mistake. We all made and we're all okay with it. Now, we're better people but we did watch it every single night for five years. Yeah. I thought it was gonna be Like human fat that they had rendered. That's a great that's a wonderful idea. Right and also couldn't have just done that with the animals to why I have this like soupy mix of deer and raccoons couldn't they have just you know, what really bugs me about this movie is that it's it is just wax. It's just regular wax but dead people like why aren't they melting people down? My don't get him my biggest question. So we learned that there's this like lamb locked ghost town, which we'll get to where we're going to get there. But my My biggest concern when the movie ended I was like, how are they importing all this way some? Yeah that had to tip somebody off. Right obviously a truck driver that they have spared at the end because it's not like you can just dig for wax. It doesn't just occur in nature. See that's what I was expecting a scene maybe of them like harvesting bees or something. I cannot imagine how many bees you would need a lot of bees a lot of bees that woman so clears a whole museum Made literally wax the walls are wax. The stairs are wax. The bed is Wags. Yeah, that's a lot of whack this a lot of wax. What is it? What do they do in the summer months? Because may I remind you but despite the fact that they are wearing tank tops this whole movie it's winter time it is and they're in New York state it starts to get dark. She's like man. I hate that it's winter and she's like sweating in a tank top. I mean she's missing part of her finger, but I still hate her everybody's everybody's walking around and not of clothing for even the fall but it's apparently winter. Well, they're probably they're probably in somewhere warm. No, it's New York State. Oh, yeah, they're like driving a buffalo for the game or something. What I'm yeah there they are in our climate. Yeah, how did it and I think the I think it's a throwaway line they have in it because at some point after weeks of filming and sitting in the editing Bay, somebody said, hey, wait a minute wouldn't this fucking house melt in direct sunlight, so he just built everything is Dusty in there. I am a hundred percent sure. He's been working on this for at least a decade. This is it his life's work. Yeah that house of but he's got a tear it down and rebuild every year because it would melt. Can you imagine if it was all butter and Steph me so much less McCobb. It was butter. So where are we so Carl? He's just been turned right side up out of the carcasses. Yeah, and while they're still all just standing there staring at this maybe hand protruding from the pile of di R sick. You know, one of the colorful yokels shows up with another piece of deer sick when he dumps it in the dear sick. Who are we today? I don't know. This is episode is going to be 10 minutes longer than normal and it's just going to be because of laughter. You most likely so instead of like a Avenger we just have like a weird Town Yokel not uncommon in horror movies, of course, and you know, he's very strange really weird covered and roadkill his entire truck all of his clothes, but he offers he offers Wade and Carly a ride over to the gas station in town to pick up a new fan belt just around the bend not very far wouldn't be any trouble. So 1/2 leave just seems like a weird mistake. It's such a weird pacing thing because we Actually go to them in their car stuck in traffic attempting to leave the movie. They're trying to drive right out of a movie. You know what I think we can race right out of this plot if we just drive faster to drive off the page and then they go and then they get hung up in development and they're like no Paris Hilton's the draw. She has to stay in the movie. So yeah against all witches. They Circle back they take a few notes. They head back to the grass. Yeah, and they drive. That Cadillac Escalade right back to the producers. So they're back at the grass. Well, Carly and Wade are in the stink mobile driving to the alleged Town up the road. There's an issue in this movie with time because he says gas station just up the road. He drives them just up the road and it takes takes a roughly a just up the road amount of time to get there. But later in the movie brother, Nick and his dumb friend Dalton are driving back in. To town to pick them up. It takes them hours to get there. It does take forever. I don't so they end up at this like sort of like Rocky Creek e area and the creepy hillbilly guy is like let me put some chains on tires or whatever you do and they're all sufficiently creeped out because he's got like Hooves hanging from his rearview check is a knife that he's just like look at this knife, even though he's cut through anything like carcasses his job and they're like, no we need to leave. So they Ace sufficiently insult him and then they cross the rocky path and they walk up and turn the bend and oh, there's actually a town there. He wasn't lying. He was completely honest the whole time. Yeah. Nice guy. Yeah shouldn't have fucking been such snobby. You can't even call him City kids. That's the weirdest part because they're small town kids are they? Yeah, that's that halfway there. So the B plot of this movie that nobody ever talks about is that if you ever even seen this movie before John you are just joining the conversation. I'm sorry, but I mean nobody in the The movie talks about this it's mentioned very briefly up top. And that's it. We just completely ditch it. So Carly and Page definitely Carly are planning on moving into the City and going to see this football game is also a way for them to go look at apartments and see if they can maybe find a place at the city at the very least Carly's going and she hopes her boyfriend might come in school. I think they're just finishing school. I think she's probably planning on applying to NYU. Oh would be my best. Guess. I'm their High School. It's I guess so I feel like they're older. Maybe it's this. Who knows maybe she's switching. Maybe she's changing Majors. It doesn't matter. It doesn't they have driver's license. So they're at least 17 congratulate. It's a very least there are 17 their small town people and they're making fun of this other small town. Like they've never been to a tiny town before it is kind of adorable though. It's just say Main Street. There's a teeny tiny little gas station. There's a little pet Store, there's a weird military store and then there's a House of Wax which every small town has. Yeah, you need your tourist attraction for those towns. That aren't on the map. Yeah. If you ain't gonna have yourself biggest ball, I hey, you're going to need yourself a has a wax made of wax. And as all small towns do right in the center nice old church, and when they can't find anybody at the gas station, they walk into the church. Hoping to ask for directions to another fan belt store when they interrupt a funeral currently in progress. Oh shit, so they run outside and then some guy comes out to be like you guys are assholes how dare you interrupt the funeral of the gas station owner. Yeah, he's storms back in he's gone for maybe 30 seconds and he comes back out to apologize and you know, like will be finishing up soon. You'll want to just wait over there at the gas station. I'll I'll come pick you up get your fan belt get you back on road. So they do what any Meandering 17 to 24 year olds do when they have Nothing, but time they go visit the attractions, even when the attractions say that their clothes. Yeah. So what's interesting that that guy who that they bump into the church owns the gas station. He's left the gas station completely unlock it's open. Yeah, and they're uncomfortable about going in. It's a business the door should be unlocked. Maybe he's in the bathroom, right? Whatever don't feel weird about walking into a business of the door's unlocked during business hours. But when you go to a House of Wax, that's Says been closed for 10 years don't come in regardless of whether that doors unlocked or not. Stay the fuck away. Yeah, I think the Kinder smarter decision in this scenario would have been to just go in the gas station grab whatever you needed and put the money on the counter. Yeah small town. He left the door open. That's what I would assume was operating policy there like it's an honor System store. If you would lock the door, if you didn't want people doing that that's really true. It's boyfriend's dick, right? I think we can agree boyfriends. Asshole really what? Oh, ok. So he Breeze like let's just break into this House of Wax. No big deal. He's kind of a jerk to everybody he meets but secondly, he starts trying to light all of the wax figurines on fire. He's like, oh, let's melt them a little bit. You're really putting so much weight on that single action. I think he's just like I think everything is wax. I think he's I think he's just an idiot because the the asshole is her brother. I wish I had it. Well, yeah though, he's a classic ass. He's the character were writing is the asshole. He's the real surprise protagonist because the boyfriend dies right away. Yeah, he's the first to go. Yeah, and he gets waxed like so this this whack House of Wax has the fastest turnaround of the sculptor of all time later on that day. The boyfriend is not only is he whacks but then he sculpted down. He's got hair laid everything is done and he's into the he's back into the museum. He's they've staged him up at the piano fully done. Done. I'm bleep. I'm not and hardened wax not even more. Well, I guess it is a little they did it so fast that he is still alive inside. Yeah. That was a really cool moment. I like that too. I really that thing is probably my favorite moment of the movie. Don't you guys move and then buddies like I'll get you out and then you start spilling his skin because it's Bert to the whack. Yeah, that's true. Like his whole fucking Chic just like breaks off and the Skins all gone and he can't even scream. It's pretty cool. Don't you think the waxing process would All of them probably but this is a film and they don't know what season's winner is like so I'm gonna say that they get a pass on the wax. So the director of this movie went on to direct the orphan a good handful of Liam Neeson movies and is doing the new Disney adaptation of the jungle ride. Oh like the O's that with the rock or whatever? Yeah with the rock. Yeah. You can just assume he's gonna be in all those what their CGI tigers in it. We need to call the Rock only one man. Can handle is the only human that could battle CGI Tigers. Now when we say fastest turnaround time on a wax figurine, you're right. They waxes like Wax like you're at the salon they wax his entire face of hair because I got to put fresh air back on but wouldn't you only really need to like Wax polish and sculpt the area's you're going to see because they put a whole suit on them. He's all dressed. Like realistically you just kind of need to do like a bust and some hands. Yeah, but when we open on the on the grown-up boys doing their wax thingy, they're definitely sculpting a boob aren't they? Yeah, I think so. It's like a perfect nipple and it's like this isn't Barbie rules. I wish I knew more about Barbies I can make a better joke right now. They don't have an answer me. Yeah. Well, I know that much or folding elbows folding bending wasn't that like one of the big things that they could do that they were opposed the pose. Double that the yeah, but like minimally she has her arm always cooked so she can hold a purse friends arm. Well, he saves the day as an astronaut. She could do the two things a woman's arm is supposed to do I would also like to point out that it takes an eternity for that boyfriend to get kidnapped. Yeah, and she doesn't get rolling on this movie very quick. Yeah because so guy comes out of the die comes out of the funeral there at the gas station. They don't have the right size. So he's like come over the house. I have them at the house and we're like, okay and they Up to the house never a good idea Wade, the boyfriend has to go pee so they both go inside Carly because she's the only person here with brain cells is like I'm gonna wait in the car and she waits in the car for like a good hour. Yeah, the sun has gone down and you got to assume if he was gone for more than two or three minutes. He'd start getting suspicious. Yeah, but so Wade gets his Achilles tendon cut, LOL awesome with scissors some guy with a weird wax mask and some long stringy black hair. Are basically turns into the wax figure. Meanwhile outside Carly realizes that the truck that she's sitting in the one that's going to drive her back down to her friends is the card they saw the night before because the headlight is smashed out which her brother threw a football or a rock or something on it. Yeah, Mato like a real Punk. So yeah, so she's like oh shit and then there's some weird car action. Yeah, I think at that point she gets away. She hides in the church where she discovers that all of these people are like everybody in the church. And therefore a real funeral they were all wax figures this whole time and when when she bumps into one of them in their arm falls off and it's definitely a real arm underneath there. She realizes that all these people are actually corpses bum bum, bum. Yeah, and you know, what's interesting is that the movie holds back on telling you that for a little while longer there are more moments in this movie where there are people in the town and I think they the movie he thinks that you're not a hundred percent up to speed. I was surprised at that old lady John. Where are you? Yes, she I thought she was like the Saving Grace like the one nosy neighbor that was left. Okay, because by the time after that scene where she's in the church, I just kind of the next time I saw her in the windigo. Oh she's rigged up to but like they didn't reveal that. It wasn't until like another half hour later, but that's cool. I'm glad it worked on you but I was like 14. Yeah. There's that, you know, eventually the brother finally gets there we have finally and you know, luckily he's a badass because he he realizes pretty quickly that this guy has his sister kidnapped and like under the underneath the gas station. He fisticuffs fisticuffs him a little bit and makes his way down there to rescue her. Yeah, but by this point like her fingers been cut off and he had superglued her mouth shut and she had to peel it open to call so that the brother could hear weird move. Yeah, it was an interesting idea. Yeah, I mean like it looked cool when she had to like peel her own mouth out and stuff. But that's going to damage the ultimate wax figure of her that they want to create. Do you think they'd be worried about the kills that they're doing? Because they they cut Dalton's head off. That's the one thing. I thought that there was a little strange. I mean not that they can't like prosthetic it prosthetic it back on but you would think maybe just like Mall wax? Yeah. Well, I was thinking like stab wounds and stuff easy to cover over No One's Gonna See a stab wound. Really? No big deal. You love That Kill, by the way, I did love that kill. I like that hallway. They had this cool heads of wax hallway in the House of Wax. Oh, I don't even know if it was just head there was like all kinds of stuff going on. There was candles. It was like ceremonial. I completely forgot. It was verrry spooky hallway, they didn't show it enough until it was like all melty and stuff, but there were a few scenes in that hallway, and I really liked it. It spooky. I don't know that I have much else to talk about other than Paris Hilton's deaf and the end of the movie. Yeah. So what are you want to do this? We haven't really talked about Paris Hilton at all. And I think we kind of have to pay some lip service to her big acting attempt. Yeah, because in this when this movie came out, I don't think anybody would have slapped your wrist. If you said Paris Hilton's House of Wax, isn't she on the cover? Like that's her or at least her likeness? This is on the cover. I don't know. It's a girl it stars Paris Hilton. I think everybody just assumes. Yeah, and it's also interesting to that. There's really only two girls in this movie Marion. I was surprised that there was like two to four, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah two girls the boyfriends and then two dummies. Yeah, essentially three couples. Yeah. It is kind of three couples. Yeah, because instead of having a third couple they have this brother angle because it's twins verse twins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah just a side note Paris Hilton is actually really really bad in this. I don't think that's a hot take or surprise or anything. But there's only seen like we've seen her be good and other stuff she's okay and repo the Genetic Opera, but she has very little to do in that in terms of acting. It's a perfect fit. Yep. But in this there's just she's got her lines and everything. She memorized them and I will give her kudos to that. She showed up she hit her Mark so she said her lines. Yeah, there's just Complete like awareness of where the camera is like in her body, you know what I mean? And you know, what if I had to act that would be me acting I would be completely aware that there was a camera on me and you would see it in my posture but I'm not trying to do it to make money. So although I guess she is neither. It's a really good point. Why did she even do this? I guess if you didn't activity. Yeah, that was like the equivalent for her of going to a new grocery store think that's what Rich famous. Famous people do their like I'm just gonna be a movie I think and we're like, let's go to Whole Foods the real test here that I had not seen this movie. Was that Paris Hilton death scene. Yeah, I wasn't even aware of what it was. They? Oh surely, you know the death scene like, nope. Haven't seen it don't know anything about it. I'm sure somebody told me about it at some point, but just note my uh, I'm a clean slate on this movie. Yeah, whenever that that this movie comes up, this is the scene that everybody talks about maybe Because everybody dislikes purse Hilton and this is like her come up and see even though she's not a bad her character isn't a bad person. She just doesn't have any other than being the character that's supposed to have sex but she's got too much notoriety to actually do that scene. Mmm. She just does like a sort of sexy striptease and then decides right as they're about to get down that she's gonna tell her boyfriend that she's may be almost pregnant worst time to do it literally after a striptease and they're lying down half. Naked and she's like I have to tell you something. Yeah, you know if that was something you wanted to say, it would have been before the striptease at the very they were alone. They were left alone at the camp and they're like cool or going to take advantage of this. We're going to have sex but we cut back to them several times and they haven't done anything not that like she hasn't told him. She's pregnant. He hasn't gotten her into the tent yet. They're just sitting there like by the fire that it I don't even think is lit and it's just like you guys are spent three hours. Just are you talking I don't think that these two have anything Common, no, not really and he definitely seems to love that car a lot more. He likes her. Oh, yeah, there was that scene in the beginning. Yeah. It's like he's not even doing anything in the car. He's just sitting and pressing buttons like oh, yeah. Mmm, love it. Yeah, so fucking cool. He's like that to the when she's doing her striptease. He's just like hmm. Yeah so fuckin cool. So there's really not a whole lot left in this movie. It's like the person dying. Okay. Yeah. She gets a pole in the face, but So I remember this scene this is probably one of the only things I remember about this movie before watching and I do not remember a garage type area where there's a bunch of cars in an interior space and we brought the town and we were watching all that stuff and I was like, they don't have a garage here something where the fuck does Paris Hilton die. They are right next to the car dies and they are within yards to this Warehouse E-Type facility that definitely has a bunch of cars in it, but I'm sure they could have harvested parts from or whatever. So How do these teenagers just walked around the area? They were camping in they would never have gotten needed to go to that town. From what I recall It's The Old Sugar Mill that shut down that wiped out all business and prosperity that whole town because if you're going to rip off the Texas Chainsaw Massacre You Gotta rip it. All right, exactly. We need a big industry. That's had a huge change that's decimated the local people. Yeah. Well people also say this is very tourist trap e and I will agree that it is also very a tourist trap e probably just because he's wearing a mask the whole goddamn but I argue is Paris Hilton in those that's what really sets them apart. Yeah, so she gets a pole in the face. She's actually really good enough seen. I can't complain. It's just her dialogue I think is what I hate. She's she's not bad in the Paris Hilton death. See you can't even say in her death scene. You just doesn't say the Paris Hilton to see and be like if you met Bill Murray, he's like, please call me Bill and you're like, yes Bill Murray. Never be able to just say Bill. I mean from they're all we really have left is a big final showdown where Carly knows way too much about the two characters just from like photos and to high chair. She found in the House of Wax in the like 30 seconds. She walked through it. Yeah, how did she learn all that shit? She insinuated a lot of information to their names. She knew everything about them like your mother was a great wax sculptor and you know, the two of you were born born and they were just figured it's not your fault. There's no that's also assuming that this guy who told you all that info is telling the truth. It could have just been a huge liar fabrication and he's one of those days but yeah, so they defeat the wax people we find out the whole house is actually works, which I don't know we knew but that but that point but we sure do when it's on fire. Well, when they when they first show up dumb boyfriend guy like scrapes the front entry with his key and he's like everything's wax. I guess I just assumed that there was a layer of wax. Yeah, I thought it was just like a nice wax coating because that's also yeah, that's also what they're doing to these people. They're just putting a thin wax coating on them. Yeah. So the peak the wax figures can be coded but the house is always always every step of the stairs as wax the floor, you know, the only thing that kept though the floorboards because you need some sort of structural Integrity when we see the floor finally give out we do still see beams going across the way there were a couple Oh, so you think the entire thing was waxy think those are just harder stiffer waxers. Those are Wicks. There is a lot of dumb stuff. Those are the fires really rage in the main floor is melting. So they do what you do is instead of trying to get to the wax exit you go to the up the wax stairs to the wax bedrooms on the second floor and it's like what and the whole time they're fighting. What's his name Victor? Yeah Vincent. Yeah. I don't know. Wax intellectual here, but I really do think we probably should have headed for the front. I'm sorry. I just wanted to say that I had nothing to say there's some great shots in it though, right because they barricade themselves in the room. They push that is fucking good. It is really good. They push the crib the wac. I can't I'm having a hard time not saying wax before everything like the clothes the waxed or they push the wax Crib in front of the when it's door slides because the ground is wax and melt exactly and we've got a wax sculpture of two twins who are joined at the face siamese twins. In fact, T' and when he cuts through the wax door with a Snorlax snart. Sorry, it's really smart when he cuts through the door. She like. Oh, yeah, it is just a wax to over its genius. Yeah, because he could pull it apart with his hands if he wanted to but when he cuts down he cuts through the Siamese figure splitting the two twins. Yeah, it's pretty great. It was really good so worth it. Yeah, I would watch that movie again for that moment. It was pretty good. Yeah, and I don't remember too much else about the fight. She couldn't fathom in the bed and stuff. Is that what they do? Yeah. Okay, and they okay. So right before that too, I'm sorry that we're all over the place guys, but the first brother gets killed and his body is laying dead on the floor and it starts to sink into the floor. Like he's just going down into the Earth because everything's melting underneath them surveys defeated. Yeah, twins are vanquished. Yeah, they fall on top of each other and smoosh in death as they were in birth their conjoined in whatever. Yeah, you know. Poems they crawled her way out of the house which at this point they're scraping through the melty walls because they waited way too long and there's no more exits left. So the two remaining twins who defeated and vanquished the evil twins are digging out and I thought they were on the main floor at this point, but they're definitely not because they come out like in the the House of Wax lettering and then it all kind of collapses in this terrible CGI, and then they're like, they conveniently like end up on the sidewalk man, and they just hang Around until the fire department sees smoke from Miles Away everybody shows up wax a few bandages on them and send them on their way. Yeah and the police officers. Does that whole like we wouldn't even know this town was here if you guys hadn't created all that smoke and fire it don't you love when the cops show up and just reiterate the entire movie like well if we hadn't a bit come here, we wouldn't realize it for the last 10 years. They've been killing people waxing on make them look like real people pretty fucking freaky of you ask me really creepy. Yeah. That's what I said to Philly the day. I said, it's pretty creepy. But I do have to say the whole pretense that you guys were living on this film. You know that there's two evil twins. Well, I have to say that they're all three brothers. Oh man. That's so great. Like they're driving away. Like oh, hey chief member how we thought there were twins turns out that the keynes's they had a they had a third baby just in enough time to see that hillbilly who was giving them a ride into town feeding a cart feeding some dog from the beginning of the movie. I carcass that he found on the side of the road Smiles a buck-toothed smile. Adam waves them off. And we realized that the terrorism Only Just Begun but my argument there is that we knew he was bad all along the second. We realized that this town that he took them to is not a real town and is instead a giant Wax Museum and he's aware of it. And he took these people there. He's clearly and on the shenanigans. I almost thought of the beginning when he first showed up that he knew there was something evil in the town. But if he like rolled in with them, not that not that you know, like big fan s offering please. Let me have your deer carcasses. Well, not even that just like I'll drive you to the gas station and we'll get a fan belt and I'll drive you back. It's kind of like having a chaperone mmm, but because they were mean to him. He's like not fun going your own then okay, hope you know how to fight and don't feel like keeping all your fingers. That's an interesting take that's definitely not exactly what it was. No. No, he was definitely just like giving his brothers some more art. There's no way that wasn't a decision that was made based on hype, right? Got to assume that the in there was no plan for that whatsoever because none of the other movies are left open for sequels. But because maybe star power with Paris Hilton or whatever even though she doesn't make it through the end and just general Buzz there was an idea that oh this movie might make Bank. Let's try and leave it open for a House of Wax to well. I think this one to was the closest to a slasher formula. Mmm. Thirteen Ghosts couldn't have had a sequel. Yeah. Let us House on Haunted Hill. You can't really sequel that. It's did and it wasn't. Yeah interesting. We tried to watch it. Remember. We're like, what is this? Yeah, there was one day it's like let's have a few drinks watch this dumb movie and then after a few drinks milk, there's movies jump start it off. We got belligerent. Okay. So what is your rating on House of Wax? It's a one out of four. Maybe you don't know, you know. No, that's not fair. That's not fair. And there were some good shots of This I Gotta Go 1.5. I don't for on this to out of nothing feels right. Nothing feels right. It's not a good movie. It exists in that bubble like it is Is it is not on the spectrum of regular horror? Yeah, but how remove you can't but I mean, it's not a parasail. It's not a parody. It's not meta it's almost both of those. I'm giving it to you or for it's not as good as I remember it being like it didn't it? Didn't it didn't hold a candle to my waxy expectations, but it was still pretty okay. Also, I like that little town. I was cute. I'm giving House of Wax a 1.5 out of four. I'm sorry. I have no Nostalgia for it. It's got some cool stuff in there, but I just did not enjoy it moving on. Let's talk about wrong. Turn from 2003. Hello, we're looking for a phone. So wrong turn currently sitting at a six point one out of 10 on IMDb 41 percent on Rotten Tomatoes a 2.7 out of 5 on letterboxed and the 32 percent rating on Metacritic. So I don't I can't remember this movie like at all. I rented it when it came out because I had analyzer Dushku thing and they still do although like what Alice said a one-syllable review of y'all? And then she was in that like haunted facility sorta movie and that was when she kicks but she kicks but she's a cool character. She's got this like badass story. I'm like ingrained in everything she does because I think that's just you know typecasting. Yeah, this is one of the first movies that like our rent a moth self and I was really proud because I walk from my house to the movie store by myself and I like my brother. Bike or something a lot for my back and then I rented this fucking cool. Yep, and then I rented a scary movie and lot of color in your little preschool. Jean jacket while you're doing it and then I drove it home. Oh my back. But yeah, it's interesting movie it. Did you see it when it came out. Nope, which is weird because it has spawned six sequels. Yeah and some also some fake trailers for a seventh movie on YouTube. Yes. Oh, sorry five sequels. There's two. This is the official count. Two sequels and V 2z equals and five prequel you've done the research. You've written it down. You're still surprised but it's oh man. No, honestly like House of Wax. I had not seen this movie before before yesterday. I don't know why I thought I thought I had seen this movie. I don't know what I'm confusing it with but at the very least I've seen parts of it. I had never seen it from beginning to end. These are actually pretty we were having a hard time pairing. These movies together we'd but we wanted to talk about both Vegas I had because you don't had seen them, but I'd wanted to talk about both of them for a while. Finally. We just paired them together which actually turned out to be a kind of a good idea because it was sort of weird Families versus College tourists. I mean, at least one of these movies is upfront about having triplets, that's true and they both have these like they're not great movies as a whole but they have some really interesting shots particularly and what I really want to talk about which is probably going to be my Only point of this whole segment of the podcast is there is no typical slasher opening in this we get a cold open, which is totally cool. Yeah, totally fine. We have these to mount. I was going to say hitchhikers hitch hike it up around hitch hiking up the mountain climbers climbing up a mountain. They get killed by these in bready mountain men. I don't think we see them there do we know but there's a bunch of some Gruff hands and stuff. Yeah. Yeah with like the longest opening credits ever, right? So goddamn long. He's opening credits. We're just thumbing through newspaper after newspaper. Like oh, um bread Hillbillies Legend these cannibals. I live in the mountain. Maybe they got super strength. Maybe they're super crazy. We don't know no one's ever survived to tell the tale, but it goes on for eight and a half minutes and instead of following this group of college kids who were going to bump into we instead follow businessman Chris who for some reason? In the Backwoods, there's traffic on the highway he's like fuck it. I'm getting off he goes to a sketchy gas station. I gotta be somewhere by 7 o'clock tonight. I can't be late and so he looks at a map on the outside the gas station. He decides to take Bear Mountain Road because it looks like it leads back to the highway. Yeah in a very unhelpful man was only two teeth told him that he could maybe so he's driving down Bear Mountain Road. He sees a carcass on the side of the road. Road and then boom he crashes into the car of a bunch of college kids. Yeah, so it's interesting because you're right. We don't have a moment where a group of kids getting to know everybody where they stopped at a gas station and are sort of warned about not going into the yeah. We have no kind of theirs that normally like a peaceful few minutes where everybody's having fun and everybody's we learn where everybody's going. We learn everybody's archetypes. Yeah, who's with who? We don't need anything who you don't remember that from Chris. All we know is that he needs to be somewhere. We don't know anything about his character. He's just kind of nice car and it's not as though later in the movie. There's some big gigantic reveal. We just find out that he's a doctor. Yeah, and the weirdest thing too is that none of the characters get any type of profession or anything. They don't have any Ambitions Beyond there's nothing no one of them was engaged. Well, he's so yeah two characters are engaged. We find out Eliza dushku's character was broken up with and that's why they were on this road trip. They were trying to cheer her up for the weekend as a great reveal halfway through the movie. Yeah, that was good at and you kind of need to know very little about her but I don't know anything about her at all. I don't know if she's resourceful in her job. I don't know where she lives. I don't know. What like what she does. I don't know who she is. No, but we don't know anybody is know and also the you know, the entire movie kind of treats itself like a sequel and I wonder if that was always the plan because the the Is are completely incidental to the kills. It's all about the kills in this there's very little plot and we get into kills almost immediately. Yeah, so they they decide that they're going to walk back to the gas station because the cars are totaled both cars and two of them stay behind. So Francine, I think and Evan stay behind Francine who maybe if you know from the film Cry Wolf, which is a another early 2004 film that I love that we will be talking about a one point on this podcast. Just because I really like it and nobody likes it. I don't remember much about that movie either, but I know that it's pretty good. I remember really liking it. That's a that's a review from 13 year old Kim right there. I haven't seen it since I just really want to watch it certified fresh from two people who don't remember it was really good. Okay, so they die like ASAP, but he goes missing in the woods we find his ear right? Oh man, like I love the this kill in the movie Francine. She gets it, right. But it it's so good. It's like a razor blade chain to the mouth. I think his barbed wire barbed wire with razor blades yesso to the mouth to the mouth. Yeah, and so like cuts through her cheeks and stuff and we're five minutes into the movie Yeah by 20 minutes. I think we were pressing pause just to see how I was like, is this an hour-long movie because we were running out of character. Yeah, 40% of the cast was gone. Yeah, cuz the next up is Boyfriend/Girlfriend. Friend Duo of Clueless has rollin with the homies. What's his name? His name is Jeremy sisters, ma'am. It's not weird that he knows that five seasons of Six Feet Under. Oh my God. He's the strangest character in that show. Help. What? Who is he in that show he is. Oh do I remember her? Nobody's husband, right? Yeah, brother. Oh, but he definitely wants to marry his sister. What was her name Deborah? I don't remember the show. Mmm. It's a good show. I remember something about like a fruitcake. Left out for several days. I don't after somebody was dead. Yeah sounds about right. Yeah. All right, who do you think had the obsession with bottom halfs of Jaws in this movie the writer the writer because it's if it's not the right and I saw the director, it's definitely the special effects guy because not only do we see Francine get that unfortunate like Joker kill or they just like break through her fucking cheeks were no I got these scars Mountain Men. Finally found it when we get to the house when they find the cavern where these three guys definitely live. There are body parts everywhere including a very nice little display of several mason jars of varying sizes filled with upper jaws. Bottom jaw is just lots of teeth, you know gums. It's interesting too because there's this there's definitely this Goldilocks segment where they go into the house of Doom and they don't know they're just looking for a phone and then they discovered The gross things. Yeah, these guns are too cold. My guts are too hot but what I love is that when they get in there, there's a record player playing so it's we're definitely making some assumptions about these inbred hillbilly characters because they have an affinity for the Arts. They listen to vinyl in the woods like that. They sound like most of your hipster friends that have gone off the grid. Yeah, like they eat food out of me. Messenger I mean technically isn't it an organic diet? It came to their grounds organically me. You're not wrong. If you get killed on a farm and eaten by a cannibal is that still farm-to-table? Oh, we're stopping. It's our bad. So they basically have to hide two of them are under the bed two of them are in like a closet with a keyhole. Wow, the mountain men cut up their friend and prepare her for soup. There's a really good shot where the camera goes through the keyhole and we see the reflection and panicked I of girlfriend of somebody like raising his arm to haqqa an arm or limb off. It's in like 2003 CGI, but it's still a I appreciate it. It looks just as good as the as the close-up shot in Wes Craven's scream. Well, I'm just as good. Well looks pretty good. Did we ever confirm what that fiance who the fiance is so familiar? Yeah. She is really familiar after the there's just segments in this movie The and this is a big problem for this movie. It is just segments. Yeah, like Goldilocks segment Ranger Tower segment. Hmm hiding in the tree top segment. Yeah and then credits basically. Oh, no, we missed stealing the truck segment. Okay. Well, that's what we're up on now. I was stealing the truck segment starts with them sneaking out from under the bed and in the bathroom after these guys have had like their Thanksgiving Day nap. They've they've eaten their friend enough that they are tired. Yeah, human beings are full of tryptophan. It's one thing we've learned and they almost make it out but a squeaky screen door ruins the day and what's his name is holding that door like a hero so hard that blood is coming at it. Like wow think screen doors work like that, but that's fine. Yeah, I think it's supposed to be like the more they open it. The tighter. The spring is getting on his hand, which is Kylie opposite I think of has Springs work. It would be stretching. Yeah, but I think it's supposed to just be that it's really rusty and old and he's squeezing it so hard that it catches and it's his fault. He's a doctor anyway, surely he's had a tetanus shot in the last 10 years. He'll be fine but he's such a hero there such a hero save the day but then the hillbillies Eyes Are Open. He's like fucking then they run. Yeah, and you know just to drive home that he's the hero of this story when they're hiding out. The junkyard of cars and wreckage of all the people they've killed clearly they own a lot of land these guys. Yeah, they probably don't own it. Like it's not like making a murderer. They don't they don't like rich with property but like poor with haircuts. He's a poor with reputation. But he's like Alright you guys Run for the truck. I'ma go ahead this way. I'm gonna distract if he gets ten steps before they shoot. Oh God made a mistake, please come back for me. Justin Bailey is over me hide me. So then the other guy he goes and runs the opposite way and because they Hillbillies I guess are actually really dumb. They're like, oh, come on guys. We're going left. Now. We're going to ignore the guy that's clearly down. Own on the other hand we could drag my foot He's Not Gonna Go Far. Yeah, but they know that there's a bunch of them. Did they I guess maybe they haven't seen how many there are of that point. They might not know how many there are because the girls in soon as the hillbillies are out of the field the girls go help him. They all climb in the truck. Yeah, like would the whole rest of the movie is essentially just them on the run from these Hillbillies and I mean like they do an okay job for a little bit as they're trying to pick Jeremy Sisto back up though. Unfortunately, he gets a few arrows through the chest and he's not going to make that wedding day Dad. Yeah, he's dead and after ditching the car at a dead end they make their way through the forest and you know find a watchtower that this is great. The cannibals are definitely going to find them here o % like if you're looking for somebody who's trudging through the woods in the middle of the night doesn't know where they are does not know how to live in the woods. You better believe they're going Climb up a watchtower. Well, especially since as soon as they're up there, they start cracking a bunch of those emergency glow sticks. Yeah, and I'm having a rave in there. Literally the highest point in the forest and they're just like come party with us eat our face, but they find a radio and they get a ready to work really really briefly enough to get a ranger en route, but it makes enough noise that the the hillbilly cannibals know where they are and they come climbing up and they set fire to to it because of course. Yeah good idea. Honestly cept. This is my biggest flaw with the movie The Fire Tower is on fire. Everybody's jumping out the window because you know, we're all wombats. We can just grab onto trees as we're falling through the sky flying squirrels is what I should have said. What is a wombat? I don't know. Okay, is it cute though? Yeah, but would that not start a forest fire. Maybe I think it looks pretty dry in that area look pretty parched. So maybe That would have been great and it should have like they would love jump out. There are like they've escaped and the hillbillies are still after them. But now they got to deal with this gigantic structure that's going to fall on that would've been cool. That's not that I was thinking even bigger scope but they definitely did have the didn't have the budget for this but if they were running away from who bullies and then also a forest fire. Oh like the entire Forest. Yeah, because that's that's one of those foes. That's like when you have two opposing parties and then there's like an evil and the middle but it evil doesn't choose. Mmm, you know you have zombies in a Nazi war movie or yeah ghost being harnessed by a bad human, but you know like like the Headless Horseman like he can't be owned the totally that would totally totally work because one maybe the fire department can't get in because it's just it's too dangerous and like now they're left in there on their own these candles are coming. Also, maybe they make it to where the good guys are but a common practice and forest fires is to burn a trench essentially like you burn off so that way when the fire comes toward that area to hits all these dead trees that have already burned. It doesn't have any more fuel and it stops so you're reaching the exit but the exits on fire and they're essentially in a dome. Yeah the Thunderdome. Yeah, there's another yeah, we don't learn anything about like the hillbilly cannibals really they just get to like one of them has a goofy laugh and then the other two are like thunder foots. Yeah one's got three. In fact, he's called three finger. Yeah there you don't know their names though in the movie. Now. They don't have any big grunt at each other basically. Yeah and a high-pitched squeal and they're kind of like Allure. Yeah, like if you reduced Deliverance down to just a few basic grunts guttural noises, that's exactly who these characters are the sequence in the trees is kind of cool. Yeah, it's fun. I kind of enjoy how long it is, but I don't feel like I don't like the film is in segments because one one we don't learn anything about the character. So there's no overall like story arc. Like nobody really grows as a character and kind of thing and we literally are in chapter 3. We're in the trees and the bridges are really big huge and like the thing is that they're super high up. So the branches should all be pretty small like for the thickness of the branches. There may be seven feet off the ground. Yeah see us up here be quiet everything is fine, but then they're definitely so through all this weird like whispering in the trees. Arrows are occasionally like hating right near where their shoes aren't it's like when an arrow hits near you it means they see where you are. They know exactly where the arrows into the trees and hoping for the best. Although maybe they are but they're definitely not no and then one of them is really good at shimming any shimmies right up there and he is like in the trees with them and further proof that somebody has an obsession with bottom halves of Jaws here because he sneaks up on Carly he sneaks up on Carly he's Puts an axe essentially just like into her mouth cutting her the top of her head from the rest of her body. I just I completely forgot about that shot and I'm just remembering it now so good so great shot the whole top half of her head is balanced on this acts which is stuck in the tree, but we see the rest of her body just fall away from her and Tumble down at the ground. Yeah. We're like bird's eye view and you watch the Body Hit like all the branches on the way down with no head. It's so good. He's pretty great pretty disgusting. Yeah and You know, it's great and then they sling shot him out of the tree with like another Woody Woodpecker style pulled back branch and then and then the hillbillies feel like they that's that's it. We're calling it a night tonight. They've hidden behind a water fountain. We're done. Yeah, they call off the search and go back home. I think I don't even know. I don't know what they do. Yeah, I guess they just set up camp for the night. These look like the kind of guys that do not need a fire to go to bed. No like it. Yeah, they're basically Al's to wear overalls I was gonna say that yeah, they're animals and plaid shirts and overall. Yeah who carry small axes, but they steal Eliza Dushku which is so out of character though. They haven't taken anybody back alive body else. Nobody like it doesn't for them. It doesn't matter if the meats fresh or not because they're fine to butcher as they find and that was that was kind of my argument while we were watching. It may be like, oh, we've just killed enough people were good for the rest of the month on they should have put her in a fridge. Had no Refrigeration John but again farm-to-table movement. You kind of want to you don't want to transport that meat too far because then you release a bunch of you know, you got greenhouse gases from just like the farming of these people and also just stick your emissions from the gas getting from the from the first year to that's been divorced at metaphors done drilled it and I think this is where the movies missing something. I think Unfortunately they needed to kill up in that tree. Like they had they had enough of a back and forth with the bad guys that somebody had to die. Die if they had somebody else in their group still they could have kidnapped two of them and it's so weird to say that this what this movie is really missing is 20 minutes where somebody's tortured like that's kind of what you need. Right? Yeah because basically this scene chalks up, it's the exact same scene in the end of Hocus Pocus when the three witches have the bullies in the cage because they're not actually going to kill any kids. You know what I mean? No, not at all. It's a Disney movie. This is not a Disney movie Eliza Dushku could have died and Should have based on everything else. These guys have done, you know, obviously we need this guy Chris to hook to get a car to get back to them because he's gotta have a moment where like he could get out alive and leave her behind but he's gonna go get her he's gonna save the day. It needs another set piece inside that cabin like we kind of like, I think we need two people in a cage and Eliza Dushku unfortunately has to watch one of her friends get tortured and killed in front of her. Hmm because something else needs to happen before Chris drives his truck through the side of the the building. Yeah, like are they boiling a pot and cutting carrots? Like why is she still alive? Well, what you really need to do with the good person stew is you need that mirror plot to make a roux. Yeah, you know just a little bit of flour lot of onion and celery and it's all about slowly adding that stock and the teeth and the teeth. You gotta boil them down, you know, this isn't the first time in the last few days that I've gone on a bender talking about soup. I think I'm ready for sleep. I think sleep Seasons coming. Honestly, I think I'm dying for just like a dumpling inside this to see but there's a really like there's a really tight window with dumplings one bad doughy sticky dumpling and you are off dumplings for at least 10 years. You cannot have a bad dumpling and if we made a dumpling the first one would be bad and then I would never eat dumplings again. So I'm fine with living on the memory of dumplings because my Grandma makes some really good. I only want my grandma on donkey. Is a trash the winner of this head-to-head is Grandma's dumpling? Yeah, make them better make them like my grandma does we used to call this is why am I doing this? We used to call it stealing glue. And in what exactly is to include the dumplings are glue and then they go into why are they glue because there are sticky. I'm sorry. I still don't follow. That's just Dude, and glue this is what we called it. Dude. You guys also say that it was sticky and would stick to your ribs when you swallowed it. No my gum. No, it's just no you Hungarian weirdos. Okay. So I think we've totally wrapped up on this movie. There's not a lot of metaphors and stuff. There's not much more than a bunch of hillbillies killing. I don't even know if they're college kids. We don't know anything about them. I I don't think they're college kids killing a bunch of people in the woods. Yeah. I thought I liked this movie way more than I did. It does have some really cool kills and Stuff though. So I mean as a like a throwaway slasher, it's pretty good. So what's your rating then I'm gonna go one and a half out of four. I'm also giving us a 1.5 out of four. I don't there's not much to it. But yeah, it's got some cool stuff in it. How does it have so many sequels? I don't know what I think it's just really easy to make a movie in the woods. Yeah, and it'll give especially like once you hit a wrong turn four. There's no way they're getting permits for these movies. Like I think one through four fully legit Union actors, everybody's aboveboard and Paid after that, I think it's a lot of friends doing a lot of people favors. Yeah. It's probably just a really cheap title to like throw on like, oh, we've got this Slasher in the woods and developing like throwing some inbreds in there and we'll make it the fourth Wrong Turn. That's what I think is happening. You're probably right I one day we're going to sit down. I'm gonna watch them all. It's going to be a really long day. If you guys have seen them though, please let us know. Let us know what your favorite Wrong Turn if there are any in the franchise that are actually good that you recommend we check out where to start with the wrong turns. We are controlling transmission. This week's episode of nightmare on film street is brought to you by Baphomet & Co small-batch handcrafted soap inspired by horror and the McCobb this week's pick is the number six Belmont bar the black Christmas Blend a suspiciously festive soap that evokes subtle notes of Pine and the delicate rightness of ready to burst berries identifiers are split red berries black and Pine and dead of winter you Code nightmare for 10% off at checkout at Baphomet and co.com made by hands. Sometimes severed. We are going to stick around for a few minutes and play a quick game that I have put together. It is called House of Pop have some Power House of Pop. We are inspired by Paris Hilton who had a also had a brief stint as a pop star. So I'm going to be listing a bunch of pop stars who had acting stints in horror. Films you're gonna have to guess the horror film based on the name of the pop star. I mean, I'd like to I feel dumb confident on this. I feel overly confident on this for no reason. I'm sure I'm going to do terrible. I'm going to give you a little I'll give you an easy one right now. Yep here on the show. Illya illya. Oh, we asked me the day. I was Queen of the Damned. Yeah. So the Matrix she the matrix real briefly. No, no. Okay. That doesn't that's not a horror film, but I have a whole bunch more for you. I'm going to quiz you. You're going to do hopefully okay, maybe not probably will assume easy ones. It's not Death Proof of already fucked up. If it's not Planet Terror. 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