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Now let the every time this music every time I love it ladies gentleman walking Bachelor after show here and AfterBuzz TV. If this is your guys first tuning in we are your official weekly recap show on AfterBuzz talking all about our guilty pleasure and favorite reality TV. Franchise The Bachelorette only on ABC not always be cam because we have a special fate for him coming up later in the episode guys. My name is Jeff Graham. I'm so excited to be here today. I'm not alone. I am joined by Renee Ariel. Hello, you guys love you Applause audience out there. We also have Michael feeling reality TV extraordinaire. Hey, what's up? What's up guys? Glad to be back. And I'm going to say Insider T Spiller Christina Lex. That's how I would describe you. I'm so here for that. What's up guys? I'm so into this energy tonight Ryan in the booth. I'm going to shattered our producer Ryan. He's just killing it in there Ryan. We love it. I think we also got some sound drops this week if it It comes up if I were to say something like I'm concerned. Oh, we're getting the soundboard pull up. I'll make sure to throw to it later Ryan so that they can see your hard work. We are not only covering the episode today guys. We do have a ton of thoughts on what we saw but we also have some special segments. We got some really hot tea this week in terms of news and some predictions as well. So we're going to a right now Mike we were not sitting with you in the trailer. So I want to hear your overall thoughts on the episode before we get into it. I liked it. You know, I feel like a broken record and I say the same thing. Every episode we're here but I like Hannah more and more and more. I was a big fan of her on her original Bachelor season. I really like her on her Bachelorette season. I'm enjoying it. Yeah, Renee what you think I was living for this episode. I actually enjoyed both group dates so much and I like that this season they're actually trying new things and I think they're doing a great job sometimes a little over produced but great job agreed. This was a knockout episode for me and really quick. I Shout out to everybody who is in our watch along. We love you guys. Thanks for tuning in with us and watching just how cringe-worthy everything was for us in real time. There were a lot of moments which will get to later. Yeah, I think a lot of personalities this season and a lot of just like it seems like dudes who are operating on a different social Paradigm than other dudes from other Seasons. Yeah, like it's really weird that the choice is these guys are making its kind of unprecedented how insistent and persistent. These guys are in a way. That just is very uncomfortable but makes for great TV. Really? It's Evie. I liked it. I thought it was really good. And I'm enjoying the dates as well. Speaking of let's go and start with this first group date. It's all themed around maternity. We have Jason Biggs and Jenny. Mollen Renee. I love Jenny mollen. I interviewed her. She's very talented. She wrote one of my favorite books, which is I like you just the way I am. She's hilarious. Yeah, I there's Bachelor superfans, right? Yeah. Yeah, both of them. They watch it together. We feel like they were well incorporated into the episode whenever they have celebrities like that it I feel like it's weird. Yeah, it's cheesy like cool. Thanks for introducing the best as we know who set up. I wonder what we're going to be doing today after they literally demonstrated. They did they came in they demonstrated a pregnancy and a live birth. And everyone was like, I don't know what the dates wheel where we going celebrity guest. It's becoming really useless even last week with Miss J. I mean, he was one of the judges but we don't really hear from them. Yeah. I was kind of silly. I think it speaks to the strength of the Season though that even though they have celebrity guests. They kind of fall to the Wayside because what that means is we're actually here. Or the TV, you know, we're not necessarily here for the celebrities. So that's a good sign about the season. Sure. Did you guys all know that a placenta was the first organ? That's grown the new organ that's grown after conception. Yes. Yes, we're all gonna die, but I didn't think it was a uterus as a I think that was I ever see you said that favorite labor pains reaction from these guys. Oh my God, John Paul Jones. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And we all saw it coming to her like oh, yes. Let's see how he reacts and it was just as good as I thought well, he was scrunched up before they even put those pads on him at all. I'm Gonna Save close second for me is going to be Tyler see just because Homewood could not get out of this post was great what height into it? What was that for iTunes listeners? I'm trying my best to imitate Tyler. See I was weird I strange. Can we have a quick conversation about Tyler see cuz I'm not really vibing with Tyler see I described him as the bully from High School like he bullied all the Gert the door. I almost said Geeks and I was trying to say dorks and gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah, he's giving people wedgies and is the vibe I get from Tyler. It's too laid-back. Yeah, it's too laid-back. And when I see people who are so super laid back like that it almost starts to come off like they don't really care and they're not really engaged in anything that they're doing and I kind of I don't get it. I don't get him some kind of like not my kind of people. Yeah, I don't know what his endgame is with that strategy. It's funny him and Luke are doing the exact opposite right now. Like Tyler's way too laid-back and Luke is like way too forward. Yeah, you need to relax. Do you think that he thinks the cameras are taking pictures and not just recording. It's a photo shoot. So let me just do my thing. Just FYI though. This is not HBO where there's like principal photography of your season care about like on camera. It's up trying to pose. It's not about you Tyler. It's just ice interesting rotor 13 in the chat says that he or she wrote her glad to have you went to Wake Forest with Tyler see and he was very nice at least in college. So it's pretty nice guy. He just comes across as kind of like narcissus like a little Zoolander to me. He's constantly posing and he always has a line and it's always really weirdly specific where he'll be like, you know, I just walk up and I see those dimples and I'm just like I'm here and we're going to paradise and I'm just like, what are you talking about? Right right and they're like little slogans every he speaks of Logan's. Yeah, like what they're not even normal slogans there were others like you don't buy it. You think it's all fake. I know personally and I did not like the move where he pulled back the I didn't like that either the football thing. What was that? I don't know but it just wasn't cool. He's just like so full of bits. I feel like I would get annoyed. Mmm being with that kind of person who just talks in this kind of other weird way and it's a little obsessed with himself and I don't know I'm hating on Tyler C. So if you guys like him, let us know it's almost like how I thought Hannah was in her Bachelor season, like, I don't think I knew the real hand of the whole time. I'm not sure I know the real Tyler. Because it seems like kind of a front just like I'll just chill all the time think it's that deep. Yeah, that's him. That's him. Really? It's what we I don't think there's anything more to that like I do I love him. No, I think he can get a little look much like the last episode when he like confronted camera followed came out. I didn't love the way he handled that so already I'm like, okay. He probably does get a bit not he doesn't have a temper, but I think you can be a bit. Mmmm. Well one when he's angry, but I do Other time I think he's just like hey, I'm hot. Yeah, I mean the guy poses 24/7 that's that's a lot of a lot of opinion in the chat. What are we guessing gar? He looks like an old man wearing young man Prosthetics is Tyler's Matthew Mcconaughey in Dazed and Confused. That's a good amount shade am yes. He I said this like last week to week gives me the vibe that he's just from a different decade like yeah, it doesn't fit what he's trying to do. Maybe it's the Lions. I don't know maybe yeah, I agree well. That's it. Let's continue talking about this group date. That's our thoughts on Tyler notable conversations during the cocktail party cam claims. He's had the least amount of time right from the start even though we know he's had a ton Tyler seat tries to call out cam by talking about first grade soccer. That's the kind of examples. I'm just like what style you see talking about, but the first real conversation. Yeah. I got them Jim. That was like, yes, and then I realized cam does not understand what he's talking about it all here. Like aha I get it. Yeah, and then Tyler said right. Yeah, it's like dude cam does not know what you're alluding to here. Well if with Cam this whole life, it's not an acronym that starts with a b and c. I think you're gonna get through not gonna get through. Okay, let's talk about Mike J though because Mike J really opened up here and what Renee pointed out that I really appreciated was that he opened up in a way that was actually relevant. A lot of times people will be like, you know, we were on a date today and it reminded me of when my grandmother got sick in Vietnam and you're just Like why but this actually was a labor-related day and he opened up about if you want to summarize for the fans are named. Yeah, for sure. No, I like the he was like well because we did this it reminded me of this and he just opened up about something very personal because I mean, I'm glad that we brought the whole pity date pity Rose into existence this episode because I feel like for us we all talk about the times that bachelors and bachelorettes give out pity roses. And I think now for the rest of the season it's going to set a standard. We're like, don't just tell me something because you want to Around and get a good at it like tell me something because you want to open up to me and connect which is what he did in that moment later. He was not the best but in that moment, I it's funny. First of all, how did everyone else feel about my J? I feel like I might have mixed thoughts on this compared to the rest of the panel. I still like my J. Yeah, I still agree with what we started out this season and he's a great candidate for the bachelor. I don't see him as a good match for Hannah. I like the story and I think you were talking strength. Great gameplay all these guys came into the season. They always come in knowing. Okay. I've got some sad story locked and loaded like they always tell some kind of Sabi story. It really worked for him this episode because he was just like Renee said you're able to slide it in and made a lot of contextual sense with what they were doing. So, I think it worked really really well for him as opposed to cam who came later with I got some really really important to tell you and it made no sense whatsoever. It was really strange and it kept building and you know, we'll get there. But yeah. Any of mine the irony of that whole situation was that Mike J was the one to kind of call him out on the sincerity of his story. Yeah, he shared arguably sincere story just before it's just interesting how they set that up. Here's what was it was weird about Mike J story. I really liked it. I thought it was very open and vulnerable with him. It didn't quite add up though. And maybe it was the way it was edited. He was saying very tragically he and his girlfriend lost their baby in the second trimester, but he was like, I was ready to get engaged but then that happened so the engagement broke off. And then he was like it was my fault. I wasn't there for her and I was like, you're the miscarriage was your fault. I just like the way it was edited II would be a little suspicious if I was like, huh? You were only going to get married because if she had the baby was that the only reason that's not what I took from it. Okay, we knew that I just I'll lead on this and say that I from the way he was talking about it. I won got the impression that he hadn't fully dealt with it yet just from the way he was maybe like you said the details didn't come across maybe as clearly there you It's obviously a very sensitive situation. I think he was also trying to be mindful of his ex. There's you're sharing something very very personal there. Yeah, and I what I got from it was the miscarriage must have just broken their bond and that's why they couldn't come to a marriage at the end of it. Maybe she was dealing with it differently than he was and when he said he wasn't there for her and maybe he just wasn't as understanding as he is now, it sounds like he was having a reflective moment of like I can't believe how hard that must have been and it affects where I'm at right now. That's where I got from it. I have a hot take go for it and just as kind of hitting me now. He's so he's the only one that brought up the whole pity Rose thing. Right don't you think it's a little suspicious that he told a story that was very serious and then he tried to call someone out for telling another serious story like stealing his Thunder. No because I think like for his mindset to be in the place of pity roses wouldn't you've already been thinking about that a little bit, you know what I mean? It was brought about a thin air if he'd seen the show if he hadn't seen the show. I do think it's a little it just content you ever smelt it dealt it. Yeah, I you know, it's like when for instance when your partner when you're cheating on your partner and you're constantly accusing them of cheating, that's the psychology man. It's I really like Mike Jeff. I just have to take my case clearly a front-runner. He's gonna be around and I just smell and we'll get to the Mike J situation later that I actually had a big problem with Yeah, Mike J. I came in here ready to propose to him. If it's he's been knocked down a few for me this episode by the main part of this story though was the fact that Kim interrupted four times and I was very impressed. By the way, Mike held his ground. He was a Class Act and the way he held his ground. Yeah, I could hardly sit through this. What did you guys think of this Interruption session? It was the most cringey moment of this episode. Yeah. I loved I loved how my Hold his ground and that's exactly what we've been saying over and over and over again that you have to do in these situations. Don't let cam just come in and take your time away stand up for it and you can see Hannah getting upset with it. And that's what you know as you're Mike. You're in the right saying no not ready not done yet. I he did a better job of reading his girl then Camden. Yeah. Yeah, the weird thing was I kind of wanted to see Hannah take more of a front seat here with both of these interruptions sessions because we got the other one later that I'm going to just go ahead and jump to now Camp finally gets his time. And then Jonathan the server actor comes in and he interrupts and it's very insistent. This was almost harder to watch for me. It was and I really did not like how he handled it. I thought it was way over the top. I mean God reader room you think that's going to make a Hannah like you right at some point. You have to be like, oh, you know what this guy is going to make a fool of himself already. I don't need to add to it and look worse because it was too much like they were Both walking her to the door. It was so uncomfortable and made me not like either of them. I already hated cam but like I wasn't feeling that for John but you see the upshot of the whole thing in the episode. They both go home at the end. So not good looks if I could really quick scoot back because I did want to mention something that I love ya was. I thought this was a textbook example of somebody taking her away. First thing perfectly was what Jed did really great suit in right off the bat got On one time they made out of bunch. They obviously had a lot of fun and I just thought it was fantastic textbook. Fantastic way to start out the group date private sessions. I forgot Jen and her did have a really nice connection and you know the other day I was walking through LA right downtown and a chicken nugget at me in the head. And now I finally know why that with you because there were thrown chicken nuggets out. And why is this at jokes? Why is this season not sponsored by somebody McDonald's KFC where everybody's got chicken nuggets easy. Just the producers just producing chicken nuggets constantly for them to snack on. So strange Katie Moore and from last season went on access lives the morning after Bachelor show with Ashley. I can Eddie and I forgot the other host, but she did mention that like chicken nuggets are totally Hannah's thing. That's like her favorite thing. And I guess it's your point. The producers are just taking that and running with it. But like it's not from thin air, the girl loves chicken nuggets. So it's really weird that like constantly coming up as a plot Point speaking of sponsors. 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Give us a big five star review. Leave us some comments. Let us know that you did you guys are our extended panel. We love interacting with you and thank you so much for making us the ESPN of TV talk. All right, we've got to move on but any last thoughts about Out group date one or cocktail night one. Alright, let's go to my quick Mike Johnson got the rose. Yes. He really did his story the right way. Like we said it made contextual sense and he did a great job. Good game moves from my Johnson in this first half of the episode. I think there's a new dream boat in the cast and his name is Connor. So Connors excited to potentially go sailing with Hannah. But Hannah I guess passed out. I will say I feel like on some level we were given a lot of information this episode and on some we weren't they were So vague like what happened? We also care about Hannah. I know didn't just say she just got dehydrated. I was like, he's just dehydrated she woke up dizzy and she got fluids and how sure that's what it was. There could be a lot of reasons but I think it's extra suspicious that they didn't tell us exactly what happened because they love that kind of drama. They did. Yeah, they would have been like, okay, here's a here's a 30 minute special extended episode to explain exactly why Hannah ended up in the hospital. That is what the bachelor would I'd do but they did nothing they explained know if I did throw a little shade. I wonder if maybe Han is a bit delicate because she did refer to going to the hospital like three times throughout the rest of the episode. And yeah, you might be the kind of thing. We're not every Bachelor would have gone to the hospital in this situation, but maybe I'm just being shady here. I don't know you guys think or maybe hot springs in the shade, I guess. Yeah. My resolve was that maybe there's just more drama worthy. Things are going to make us pay attention to later you like they're just edit their really trimming the fat on this one. Yeah. It's weird. This is pretty thin. Yeah, either way Connor gets the chance to instead of going sailing You could argue he gets an upgraded date and just to spend time and Hannah's bed in her hotel room nursing her back to health. That's a nice way to quickly swoop your way into a woman's heart. It's to take care of her while she's sick. Oh, absolutely. I think Connor one the eyes of the two ladies on our panel this episode Christine. What did you think of Connor and Hannah's one-on-one? I was feeling it. I see your point. I thought it was great that they kind of skipped the the shenanigans. Hands of a normal one-on-one date and to be honest the last few that we've seen kind of bored me to tears the one-on-ones the group dates have been so much more interesting. So it was refreshing to see this very unique one on one which I believe we said was maybe a bachelor first. Have we seen the lead just take a sick day essentially and you know, just chill out in bed. I thought it was really cool. I thought it was a realistic date something I totally want a guy to do for me and even the Post-it notes that he left on his way out. I thought honestly we're a really nice touch and it could have In corny, but it was it was very spot on I enjoyed it. Yeah, I really liked him a lot and I'll tell you why. So first of all, I really like that he opened up about his parents marriage and how they've been together because as you see is very observant and he has a relationship to look up to and I do really like that on top of that. I love that the he didn't want the letter to be read out loud. You know what that means is he's not he didn't write it for the show. So he look good on TV. He wrote that for Hannah and I like you later and on top. That he was so thoughtful to come up with like the Post-it notes that the yet like he's a little cutie and I think he's truly there for the right reasons supposed to know things work like guys hundred percent the soundboard Post-it notes or like little what do you call it? A treasure hunter whatever you scavenger hunt thing always works very smooth. Very good. Let's say if I had one to pick with Connor, there's a bit of a like being stressed out for the date element. But at the same time you got some Tyler going. Yeah, Tyler, but he's the good version of a chill bro. I feel like Tyler is putting like on a show. Whereas I do think Connor truly just talks like that. You know, what were you guys bothered by Tyler's little speech para Conor speech patterns at all. I was even though I know I just, you know sung his Praises definitely still enjoy the date, but Connor as a person I still feel is pretty basic. So maybe guy basic comes off a little guy basic. I still don't see him as Hannah's guy, but I think she will enjoy getting together. I know him. Hey man, Hannah G would be a terrible date to watch. Yeah, it's true and we imagine that's yeah, actually that's they're both great people who maybe rely on their other half to be the extroverted component of their relationship. Sure. It's good point. I God is great. I think he's a nice guy and I think he's got good intentions. I also agree that he seems to be here for the right reasons and he was really thoughtful with what he did. He's doing good and he was rewarded for it at the end of the night Hannah came back. She came through took him on a date. They had a really cute little private. Sir, the driver to by the way later on in there like hey guys, where's Connor? That guy? That's awesome. He was excited. Here's exciting exact moment. Yeah, cool. He did a couple knows kisses which Renee like, oh my God. You guys are so cute. I liked that. He didn't make any kind of deal or at least we didn't see it any kind of deal about not getting a rose at her hotel room. Yeah because in his mind before the limo Driver came you would think he probably thought that's it. That was his date and he made no like hot and humid. There was even a Rose Garden even get a shot. You know, my soul had a was mess up like briefly that it flew by me some but I liked it. He was just cool and it looked like just go and spend time with her get to know her and actually have a date don't worry about the Roses because it's going to come it's good point. I chose security. I think that not all the other guys have Okay. So this next part of the episode was brought to us, very blatantly by The Secret Life of pets to have we In quickly and integration this intensely promoted in the show before who cares is so cute. I don't care. I love all the Cycles. Yeah the food looks good. First we thought we were going to be doing a salacious photo shoot with models and it turns out that they're adorable farm animals. So you like the day Mike. I loved it. Yeah, I because it's so I thought the animals are super fun. I love all the animals. I like seeing but you know, it's creative. It's something different for sure. I thought you would have liked it because your girl Demi was here again. Whoa. I would not even dare ya every episode with Demi is a great episode Miss didn't we didn't hurt ya Love Dem ya do you think this segment worked? Well with Demi snooping on the guys know because nothing happened so there was no I really was hoping someone was gonna take the bait maybe a little too obvious that you're sitting down and makeup and the makeup girl is just all over you, you know, yeah kind of obvious. 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I feel like okay and I said, I think it's so interesting that they're now like incorporating Demi and friends like to do these tests throughout the season. I mean, I wonderful get it again. I don't think it was produced that well because I think that they like didn't figure out the situation where each guy could be in the makeup room or each guy could be by that animal Handler or whatever because it Like only the four guys were the ones that were picked to be watched on camera and also felt like so it wasn't produced well enough where I don't think they really thought about the details there just like I'll be funny like Demi will say some commentary about and we'll get you know what I mean? Yeah versus like actually trying to make this a test. But that being said it was over produced in the sense where they were like who secret spy mission like the music and stuff. That was her having Mike. Yeah and that room when it was just them to I don't get it. I didn't get that at all. He's like, what's that sound? I think I'm gonna marry Hanna so it kind of made me laugh. I was sort of silly never produced but I don't know. I thought it brought a little bit of like levity to the episode and it's fair there was enough in this episode that I didn't really mind it. Let's talk about Luke though because he this is beginning the beginning of his unraveling. He cannot handle this photo shoot and especially during the Peter of it all. We got a lot of close ups we could see loon Luke's brain. Just breaking in front. This was crystals bowling situation. Oh my God. Yes. That is when she's sick. Yes, that's good. Let's go and just talk about the Luke P of it all because this leads us into the cocktail party Mike. You have an interesting take on loopy that you were telling me a bit before we went on air. Oh, no, what did I say? You were thinking maybe Hannah was a little unfairly. I did. Thank you. Yes, I was surprised at how hard she put it down on Luke. When it ostensibly seems to me like what we've seen it's not that bad. It didn't seem. Oh hang on it to me didn't seem outrageously overly aggressive versus somebody like cam. She hasn't set cam down and been like yo, chill out. Has she I have a respond when here I mean, he basically to me it looked like he went up and did an extra little photo thing with her on his back doing push-ups and he was a little Alpha and a little Greta. I'm And it was right but I just didn't think it warranted how much she shut him down. Tell me something Have you ever observed him when he is called down to get a rose and sure single week. He puts his hands on both of the shoulders of the guys in front of him and kind of pushes them to the side. He has no respect for other people in the house when it comes to like displaying his affection for hand in front of them to make them jealous the way he like steals her away first. He like is always trying to show off even the way When Jed came in and the massage thing years ago, it wasn't what it was look like he knows what he's doing and he's okay and girls see through that cam is a moron not so fast. He was sent home tonight. He was never a front-runner like we see this as a strong connection. So if you if it is coming down to like a guy that you really like, right and he's acting in a way that is an honestly it's not little that's huge that says a lot about a person I would want to put down my foot and just as hard actually I'd send him home but It's that maybe maybe it's the combination of all of it because maybe cam wasn't a front-runner but he did get the first ever Rose. He was strong in the premiere in the first episode Rose because he rapped and she had five guys to pick from he was strong in the first episode 2. I think he was strong in the Premier. Look, I mean pilot Pete made out with her in front of everybody on the photo shoot right in a different way though. It wasn't like a hey that's I mean that's kind of showing off. They were going at it in in the photo shoot. In front of in the middle of everybody else. That's pretty bad. That's pretty blatant to but it's all about how you do it. Like you can get away with more it is like the way Luke P comes across forces pilot PE. Look I'm not I don't like Luke. I'm not a fan of Luke. I just thought it seemed a little out of place and maybe it's a I'm not taking all the different episodes together. It seemed out of place for her to be like you gotta stop and I thought Kim is coming here every 10 seconds when you already told him to go away, but she tells him like You more a few more minutes or we're busier whatever. She says to cam till I will say it was like, okay back to the Pete versus Luke P She also brought peas like arrogant like Pete doesn't come across arrogant or any other bad traits that she listed. I don't think like it's even in comparison. I to be honest. I don't think anyone's on the level of Luke p with how he's been acting cam is a different breed cam is is Chris from we talked about those Chris from Becca season where he like doesn't really get it except the crispy and farther that I thought we were deals. Oh, yeah true with Crystal. I will see what this whole Loop pecan thing. I for one I will say just to give Hannah some credit here. She's got a lot of fires to put out at once. I think she started with Luke and then eventually made her way to Camp to kind of tell them both to chill. They were the two contestants who needed a timeout the most this episode and to Renee's Point as well. And to what you said like, we've only seen little bits of Luke and you didn't think it was enough but I think we were we were made so uncomfortable by what we've You already on screen imagine all the Vibes and things that he's giving off off screen that we haven't even seen. I think that in combination with everything else his red flags of telling him that telling her that she loved her early on. I think Hannah was just like all right. I need to nip this now because it's only gonna escalate talk about what that yeah, let's talk about Hannah said because I was kind of astounded by what an intense 180 she had to take it you could argue that her and Luke in terms of the history of this franchise have one of the most passionate early Sparks of the show that a ton of Chemistry really intense physical and seemingly emotional connection and for her to completely flip the 180 here all of the chemistry between the two of them. It's completely sucked out of the room. She was not feeling him at all and what she said I have it written down is something. Oh Luke P stole the connection in a negative way. It's a fine line between really attractive and the most unattractive thing I've ever seen. So I think Luke is really digging his own grave here like my takes a little different. I actually don't know if he's necessarily like Some dude in the bad way. I just feel like he's kind of immature. He's acting the way like a high school sophomore would act when he falls in love with someone for the first time and it seems like his behavior is just childish rather than like toxic masculinity like the way he was like, can I just walk you to your dressing room? And I don't know I found that very toxic. I think you need to give her a moment to breathe you could see was on her face. Like wow. I just am going to walk myself to go change that five seconds that it's going to take me to get there. You think you're gonna get a really impactful moment with me. Like just chill play it cool. It's childish. And it's also controlling I wrote down that she said I want to call my own shots. Yes. So unattractive as a woman when you feel like the guy in the relationship is just stealing your autonomy, like telling you what to do in that way. It's never cool. I will give the opposite side of this and don't everybody come at me. Like I'm a loop Defender because I don't I don't like him. I don't think he's gonna make it very far. However, what you've said is bad there is also the opposite where he went. Into her what do you I forget to turn the itm right after and she loved it. Right? So this following her back to the dressing is a similar thing when they were making out in his shirt was obvious. She was super into it. He was being really aggressive now. He's really aggressive again, and she doesn't like it. So if he's not the sharpest person, he's not the best read to him. This might be the same stuff. He's still trying to be aggressive and Alpha and she's liked it in the past and now all of a sudden maybe it's a genuine surprise her him like Well, I thought I was just doing the same thing and you were gonna have the same reaction. Yeah, but there's always a time and place and it's all about balance like in life. You should know that in like your life. You shouldn't always be for instance. If you ask the guy out. The first time shouldn't be like and I'm going to do it the second time in the third time of the foot because he really liked it that once it worked at one time great, but like anyone's brain is like well if I keep doing this it'll keep working. I mean read a room and on top of that he even when she told him blatantly Hey, I'll come to you. Hey, I'll come to you he literally could not take not even hint a red flashing sign neon 200 feet. Tall saying stop. He just doesn't care. He look he's districts disrespect that I got nothing for that when she says go away. Then you just gotta go you've made your point in tried. Its it doesn't look great and it's just crazy to me you as a guy you've got to learn to listen. That's one of the most important ways to find a woman's heart, huh? He just was not not listening and he's really digging his own grave here. And I don't know I'm we're kind of watching him and plowed. He's saying he might leave he's one of the people that clearly just can't handle this process and the longer he sticks around the worse. It's going to get it's a little nerve-wracking and very unsettling as an audience member. He feels like a ticking Time Bomb. He literally said to the camera. I'm going to pretend she and say that like after they had that conversation like crazy. He completely is like if it doesn't fit his agenda, it's he just doesn't care and it obviously makes him do it makes him look like a one-trick. Me and he and if he thinks Hannah's going to be a one-trick pony and just respond to that same one move. Like you've got the wrong girl. I think I was really surprised. Nobody brought that up Jeff that he said I was thinking about leaving tonight. Yeah, normally that's an auto trigger for one of the other guys to run to Hannah and say hey did you know Luke said he was thinking about leaving tonight. He's really not that's almost an auto dealer right? I was very surprised good point. Yeah. Well, the rest of the group was pretty chill its kind of the carrots and the car and the it's a low-key group that That's true Peter Pilots more of a low-key guy. Yeah, I hope it didn't sound like we were defending loopy too much guys, but it's just interesting to offer multiple takes on this panels. I'd be very curious to hear what you guys think in the comments. They don't like him. Yeah. All right, we've got to move on because we have this crazy fourth Act of the episode which is during the canceled cocktail party. We have a tailgate party instead where I got the Mansion where they play cornhole is I guess that's tailgating tailgating is before a game. Yeah game. Party, Christine Christine, and I don't know about Mike but you're a sports buff. So I hope you weren't too offended by that idea of a tailgate, but that's fine. I just don't call the tailgate. Yeah, just thought it was an awesome party before the tailgate starts. The very first thing that cam says is I have a very very life-altering thing. I need to share with Hannah that could make or break our entire future simultaneously. We hear Hannah say I hope today is chill and locate that's when you know, you're in for some good television. Vision man, so cam steals hand away right away right away. What did you guys expect can was going to say I truly thought he might come out as transgender. I did not know what it was. Like he said it was a life changing thing that had almost ruined previous relation that he might go home that night because of it. Yeah, so she might not be able to handle it that it was gonna be so crazy. I was like this is gonna be something really serious or like Caitlin sexual assault stories. Like this is gonna be really really huge. Well question was his leg amputated. No evidently. Todd are we sure I don't think so. We're not positive. Let us know because it has a prosthetic leg. They edited it in a very odd way where we net with they just you know, they kind of made fun of him for it how he told the story which to be fair. I mean being like that my kitten died and then my grandma was sick and like that was a lot but did he lose is that what it is about like that? He was worried. She would judge him for having a prosthetic leg but it sounds like not because he said he's had multiple surgeries. It sounds like if I remember right he said said he might have had to or he not an amputation might be going to have to get that one day. Like I'm just confused because what's the end are you just trying to be like, oh I had a bad day in the bad like order for being happened Vivian in the chat says his story on Instagram says it was not amputated which means a lot of people were asking about it. I think the idea it sounds like maybe he's someone who needs to have chronic surgeries, which is valid because he was saying and then this next surgery so maybe The make or break thing is if we're together, I will be having annual surgeries. Yeah, it's not lot of health concerns. Sorry. Okay. Yeah, that's what that's what I thought maybe but either way at least the way it was edited. It didn't play well for Cam. And so but this was the really really interesting moment of the episode. We'll have to try to keep our takes quick but Mike Jay pulls Hannah aside and says word-for-word cam mentioned to us before the tailgate party that he was going to tell this. Story to you in order to get a Pity Rose, which it's like yeah, it's a like am never said that and I did not like my Johnson move here unless we didn't see it unless he said something else that wasn't edited. They wanted to do that though. They wouldn't in this situation because he went home they would have played that footage, which is also my theory on why they cut up his sad story so much so it didn't make him look like a monster for sending home and went through something right? Great. This made me really not like my Johnson and let me tell you this is what kind of gave me the theory of Oh, well, he has pretty roses on his mind. But I wonder if it's because in he's an ally that says a lot about someone's character that you're willing to just blatantly lie about someone so they go home because you don't want to deal with them. Yeah keep my I thought it was strange too because I don't see cam as being any kind of competition for him. He's super secure and solid. He already had a rose to why why do that? I think it trying to understand his motives here. I think he just wanted to get on the offensive strike because he's been Owing to all these situations well, and I think that was his move of like, all right, let me get a little more aggressive now. I know I'm safe. Let me just try and get rid of trim the fat essentially. I never and we talked about this before in history. You guys tell me you're more knowledgeable than me. I don't think it's ever been a good idea ever to call out somebody else on what they've done of but that so especially with how secure this guy is and what a great job he's doing so far. I don't see any upside to this whatsoever 99% of the time you're That means that twice ago rocked for her but most of she went home now, but no not because of that. So most of the time it's an absolute no and Bachelor Nation like watch a season before you go on maybe maybe he only watched cool things as much as we watching. It know that it's a dumb move think about why so many people in that position have defaulted to that move. I think it's something about that environment that I don't know. I don't know why you think it's going to be a good move. But yes gration competition. All that's happening. But the fact that will surprise me about that conversation though. And I know we have to wrap up is just the fact that cam did admit that he wrote those letters to the other guys in the house that he was going home. So it's like had I think had my J not lied about that one part about the pity Rose saying everything else. I was true. He did write letters. He did say that he thought he was going home the issue with Mike was that he said the words pity Rose, which was never said and that was truly the engine that got sent cams at home. That's what Hannah fixated on so even if Mike was 90% telling the truth that 10% of words that were fabricated are the reason Cam went home and I got to say I think Cameron out with some dignity. I felt like he was truthful with Hannah and you know what he was like I did write letters because I think he thought he might have been going home. And that moment is that it is the writing letters a thing. He liked the Jenna thing. I think he like made friendships. I think cam is just a strange guy who thought he had friends in the house. I almost feel bad for him because I think he's just kind of a different. What kind of guy do do we think the my people in the chatter kind of arguing don't think Mike was really lying. Yes. Mike was lying. Let's leave that aside. Do you think cam was trying to get a Pity rose with the story? It seemed like it to let me argue my take real quick. It seemed like an out-of-place story out of time. Like I said, he had it locked and loaded and he said okay day 10 or whatever. I'm going to bust out this story if I'm still here to be fair though. If they did edit it very poorly him. You know how he's going to have to get surgeries for the rest of his life and that is a big part of his life and he hasn't really had one-on-one time with Hannah and then like this was his time where he could actually talk to her. No, and if it is true that he thought that she might send him home because maybe she wouldn't want to deal with someone who would have all of these surgeries for the rest of his life. No, but because of editing that's the way it looked. Yeah, you know what I mean? All I know is Hannah would have taken any reason for cam to go home. I couldn't Said this guy's a Neo-Nazi and she would like I believe you can go home. She would have taken anything. I do think we have to move on to the Rose ceremony. Anyone more sad about leaving. No, not me. I kind of like Joey I would have liked to get to know Joey better. Yeah, we really get to know him. Jonathan had his big moment tonight. They just didn't play right for him. And then Kim's been cam right always be infinitely can always being him. Okay, we do have some really interesting news this week. So let's go ahead and quickly get into our So some of the news that came thanks for the queue and some Bachelor news this week. Some names have been floating around for Paradise. Someone who's been confirmed is Demi. Yeah, Demi's gonna be there and so far and Nicole with the lots of crying and tears from last exam and her Nemesis and Yaga have been confirmed possible names are still taoiseach Hannah G and Kailyn. So look out for announcements about that pretty soon. Also guys really quickly in this. If you guys noticed Tyler G went home and it was on the internet that he was actually accused of being as one person from his hometown said the biggest a whole douche of all time. There's a whole Reddit thread that's going on talking about that. He's an extreme sajin assist that these allegations came out a girl who he used to date came out with a story that he was just really aggressive and discussing towards her and so far from what I've seen Tyler has not responded to the accusations, but it's definitely floating around. Bachelor Nation guys. Wow, that's pretty serious. So that was the news this week. Do we want to bring up the fact that it's uncovered that jet is a burlesque dancer and right feel hand forget about that. So obviously you guys know jet is a country singer and being concerning his profession. It's always speculated if he's here for the right reasons. Well, we found out that Jed actually used to be a burlesque dancer. I will put that up on my Twitter for you guys afterwards. I'll send you guys the link so you can see but he yeah, he was a burlesque. Answer and there's some pictures up of him in a cowboy hat performing showing off that sexy bottom stage. So I just want to know if that changes your perception of it makes me trust him more. He's here for the right reasons. That is a that could you date? He's not here for the right date someone who's a burlesque a male burlesque dancer in a if it was Jed, maybe fair enough. I think the better question before I move on from that is when Hannah be okay with that. I don't know I could think about it. I don't think we know. Well in current or former isn't done with it. Is he done with that life from what I understand? The last post I saw online was from September 2018. So he is not currently a burlesque dancer, but it's obviously in his wheelhouse and you know, he's comfortable enough with his sexuality to do that. So maybe he's not the guy in the teaser later who confronts an about her is not enough to try to figure out how this information will help or make or break Jed. So we'll see well guess we're gonna try a new segment for the next couple weeks called our top three will be giving you a top three moments from Egypt. Sewed this week. We're doing our top three cringy at moments from the episode because overall this was a pretty cringy episode. I think I'm going to start by saying Camry entering the conversation over and over again was pretty cringey good time. Okay, I think then Luke P re-entering the situation over and over again was pretty cringy don't do hydrated and I think for me at least the third cringes moment of this episode was cam letting the guys know that he had to give a dramatic announcement to Hannah cheese. Has that was really I'm going to steal some more camera time. Yeah, right. Now it made no sense. I think it helped dig his own grave. Yeah honest like come on take her side. If you want to take her side. That's everybody's been doing it the entire time well with two and a half minutes, let's do it. We can eat show our tweet and combine our prediction with that tweet. So you get to show off your Tweet to our fans for are tweeting for the right reason segment. And as you do I'd also like you to give one prediction for next season next season next next next season or just like who's gonna win. You can it can be any prediction you want it? Okay, just say that I think top two is Garrett and Pete Geren Pete. I think Garrett's going to be a dark horse. Okay. Let's see your Tweet Renee. Which one did you send it? Oh God. The Tweet is it should be up there. Do you still have it up there? So I just read it. That's how that's actually mine. I guess. I'll just jump in here and say that the tweet that I sent out was cam trying to figure out how many SOB stories he can fit into one hashtagging Bachelorette. Followed by a gif of well, our YouTube viewers can see it that just I said one of our cringe-worthy moments there and a prediction for this season. I still have oh God. I had a prediction in lost it I oh, I think Grant goes home next episode because I had he needs to go sausage party crosses fighting man. I think he and some other guys are going to be gone next week Crete and for sure, that's my tweet. That's right right there Hannah sending cam home good old throwback to I Love New York loved' Bye. Bye. Bye. My prediction I'm going to go against Rene here. I'm giving my final to right now. It is pilot Pete and Jed. Yeah. Yeah, I should have yeah. Those are my final to those. I see the passion when they kiss. Absolutely. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and give my tweet right now. It's a picture of John Paul Jones is John Paul Jones possibly recreating His official it would explain a lot hashtag The Bachelorette and my prediction for final two is I'm going to To say I'm going to do final four. No. Am I allowed Jed? Peace Pilots heat honor and Tyler a star. My final four is gonna go further than we think. Hey Tyler. Okay Congress has clatters going to go not tired. Yeah. Okay my top two are the same as yours Mike just to go on record. Okay said so the right ones then the right we got it. Well, I guess with that. Let's go ahead and make our way out of here. You guys eat Oh Renee, you found it. You found - we don't know if they found it. If not, it's okay. We can do it another time. We don't have it. That's all right won't know what though tweet it out in the fans can find. Yeah, I'll do they'll retweet action. And where would they find that if you did a retweet or name? Hey you guys it's been a great week. Follow me on Instagram and on Twitter at Renee Ariel. Also, my friend Lily Marsden and I filmed a video for her Channel where we drunkenly dm-100 celebrities and some respondents to go check that out on YouTube. What? Yep any bachelor Nation people know but we also didn't have any bachelor people. Yeah. Maybe that's next time. That sounds fantastic guys. Thanks for hanging out with us a little guy hanging out with us. Here we go in the live chat appreciate all your comments. I'm Mike feeling you can catch me everywhere at Mike feeling and stay tuned on this channel because we'll have my bachelorette ruthless recap coming up for you. I am so looking forward to that might in the meantime. You guys can find me on social media on Twitter accuracy win with three. He's and on Instagram at Christine I Alexis and want to shout out our watch along crew again. Love you guys. Absolutely and I also want to offer a warm heartfelt. Thank you to the secret life of pets to thank you for enhancing our Bachelor viewing experience tonight guys. 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What a WEEK. Cam stuck to his ABC policy of “Always Being Creepy,” Luke P Got Extra, and we got a lot of promo for...drumroll..The Secret LIfe of Pets 2? Jeff Graham, Christine Alexis, Mike Theiling, and Renee Ariel have all the hot takes for Sn 15, Ep 3 of The Bachelorette. Tune in! The Bachelorette After Show: Which of the men will get the final rose? On THE BACHELORETTE AFTER SHOW we’ll fill you in on everything that happens on and off camera on the hit ABC series. Plus be bringing your favorite cast members our panel. Tune in for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes’ group dates, one on one dates, the squabbles and fights AND bonus off-season content like news updates happening in Bachelor nation. ABOUT THE BACHELORETTE: Becca Kufrin believed she had found love with Arie Luyendyk Jr. on "The Bachelor," but when the race car driver changed his mind and broke her heart so he could reunite with runner-up Lauren Burnham, the humble girl next door from Minnesota resolved not to let the heart-wrenching breakup hold her back. When the 27-year-old publicist isn't making a splash at the boutique public relations agency where she works or planning her next overseas trip, she can be found at home hosting dinner parties for her friends. She hopes to find a man who shares her firm set of Midwest values and who is actually ready to commit to her on her terms. 