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You know what you want to start the show guys. That's right. This is the bachelor after show here on AfterBuzz TV and guys, my name is Jeff Graham tonight. We are covering season 15. I got it right episode 2 and I'm not alone because I'm surrounded by a group of brilliant panelists. I'm going to start with our wonderful guest Our Guest is not only a great host and a wonderful person but has her very own resume of reality TV. Experience if you guys are fans of Big Brother, you've seen Rachel swindler before and you're not only great on camera, but you're a great host as well. Well, thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here. And I'm so excited to get into this episode Rachel. What's your level of like Bachelor obsessiveness? Would you say I gotta say I'm in the gym, I remember I just go to the gym have it on there. Just stick the headphones in two hours of cardio. I'm set if you had to pick a favorite season, even if you're a more recent fan, what would you point to you know? No, I'm going to go back to the bachelor. Okay, Sean. Yeah. Yeah, I really enjoyed that season over the Helen I know because that was a real nice love connection. So they enjoyed it speaking of reality TV lovers. We also have Mike feeling here. Let's say you guys back again my feeling you know, I'm loving Hannah more and more every episode. So that's great. Whatever. The editors are doing The Producers. They're making me love her because I really like her on her season of The Bachelor, but I really like her now and of course Christine beIN we're so happy to have you Christine's got some amazing tea later in the show. People are coming for our are guilty Monday night Obsession specifically someone on the network. So we will be talking about that later in the show Renae Christine are not here tonight, but they will be here next week. We miss you guys, but luckily we do have a panel a full panel of great kevro's great hosts. As I mentioned. We will be going over some news and gossip later. We also have our tweeting for the right reason segment. So make sure you stick around for that. But before we get into all that we have to go Our overall thoughts from tonight's episode Christine. What did you think? Let's start with you. Oh, I'm already more interested in the show than I was and I won this is a good episode and I'm a lot more intrigued in a couple of guys that I think I slept on early on and I'm like, you know what? I'm totally here for it Jed. So that's how I'm feeling good episode. It picked up Midway for me. Yeah. Awesome. I the guys that I like are doing the right things the guys I don't care about or being really dramatic. Making the show very interesting. So that's make it work for me. Not good. Yeah, Rachel you think I'm I'm just excited to see what's going to happen with Luke. I mean, I know he's just a big topic for tonight, but I'm so excited to see kind of where this leads to so I guess I'm just excited for all of these different Journeys that were going on with all these guys. Yeah, specifically Luke so we have a ton to cover tonight guys. We're going to start with the first group date. Of course, we have Tyler G solar date. We have the second roller derby date and a lot of antiques from cams. We're getting all into all that during the episode we will Cover as much as we can from this amazing two-hour episode of TV. Let's go and start with the pageant this first group date and honor of our Bachelorette who we of course know is a pageant girl. The dude's had to do their very own pageant starting with the swimsuit section. Ladies and gentlemen. Hey, how do we feel specifically about the Speedos? I think it was just something for TV, you know see the guys in their Speedos. I don't know that Hannah was really judging her. Mr. Right off of that. It was just more eye candy for us. I know me and Rachel joined. Yeah, you know, it's spiced up the episode which is what we needed. Of course, like I needed to see a guy in a speedo and I got it and I'm really thankful for you. Got it Jeff. This takes me back. Does anybody here? Remember this is an old-school throwback reality show was called the pickup artist. Okay, what was his name mystery mystery, right and his companions J-Dog and matador. Anyway, one of the challenges for the guys was to all host a party at the mansion in Speedos, and it was a confidence. Challenge to show them that you can be confident and doesn't matter that's what was reminded to me. What I thought of when I saw this Challenge and I loved how the guys handled it all them kind of went for it. And that's what you got to do. You know, I think all these dudes did handle it pretty well, you know, it's not necessarily about how you look it's about how you rock it and I think all of them did I will say though does this seem like an especially fit group of dudes this year? Yes, like all of them. Yes. They are looking like full snacks. Yeah cool snacks. I think it's that thing where you find out. I'm over here. I mean we could go on favorite specifically Speedo dude for I think y'all are impressed by jet. Yeah, it's amazing. He owned it. And I mean he's a short little guy but he just walked with that confidence like swag was dripping off yet his proportion. I mean, he's just so beautifully proportioned. Well, I will say Melissa called her on in the chat agrees. She has Jed with a heart emoji. A lot of people saying judge should have one. Mr. Yeah. There you go. I think he's coming in hot. He's definitely he's in it to win it. I think and he actually had a talent. Hello. Yes. I see. Let's talk about the talents. Thank you. Which tests so Jedi think would he be declared winner for all of us? I would say so yeah for make Mama Talent just he did it all for me. Yeah. I mean being a performer like a guy that can sing to me. I'm like, uh, like I you Mountain melt. I love it so much and just the fact he's playing a guitar. He's singing. I'm just like baby. I love you. He's yours. That's so Renee on our panel who you will meet at some point. Her guy is Peter. She's pretty much bet extender ring and then my life would that be Jed would be yours. Yes. All right. 100% Jed. Jed is my boo. Well Jeff, you don't win. They just see Rachel's on the end of the panel right here. I'll have my Instagram up at the end. So you can just slide into my deep into the DMZ. I liked it. I thought it was really really good. But something I brought up during our watch along and let's get a reviews buddy. Pinion right here. Jed has so far leaned in really heavy and kind of relied on his guitar skills and his singing. What do you guys think? Does he need to kind of chill out with that? Because he doesn't want to be a one-trick pony for this whole competition. I think he's fine. I think like if there's one thing that won't get old for someone especially who digs it. It's a dude with the voice. It sounds true. Very true working with his strength right now. And I don't I think Hannah's gonna enjoy you could just be anywhere. I could be the ice. I'm parlor you just bring out that guitar. Well, let me sing to you right now about this rocky road. I'm like, oh my God, he's so hot impressive than his singing ability and the fact that he could play the guitar and his guitar playing I was impressed at how quickly he made up a song that correct and on point with being the mr. Wright pageant is of that's what really impressed and probably liked it. Yeah, I get the vibe from him that he truly enjoys what he does. I mean, maybe it's also the edit but he's not giving me those Loop l vibes from JoJo season later like totally Relies on his Fame to like spark his music career. Like I don't get the same Vibes. I trust jet a bit more. So I'm here for it. Yeah cool. So we're not worried about Jed. Let us know in the chat of the comments if you are because we brought it up during the watch along most of us think jet has sincere intentions, but whenever you find out someone's a performer or an influencer you always get nervous about the reason whether or not a course they are here for the right reasons that that been just someone who acts like they're not later and then it's like sugar bear hair and is like sowing your face with that later. Wow, that's not well being a performer that was on a reality show. I can say I you know you go for the show man. I mean I didn't go to advance my career at all. So I definitely I definitely think he's there for love and he's here for the right reasons. And you know, if you get a little bit of exposure out of it and two bonus, it's a bonus go for it. Yeah. I think I sing their enough lie. Well, of course the most important talent that we have to talk about tonight is Luke's talent for saying overly dramatic creepy things to women. Yeah. Except it works. It did that. I think that was the biggest statement made in this in that group date like Hanna enjoyed that grand gesture. She was totally taken back. You saw it all over her face. She just she was speechless. Yeah. It was a really really really bold thing to do. I mean that could have backfired really easily. We see at the end of the episode some of the hesitation from her. So it I felt like that was very healthy for her to at least be really honest about you know, I'm not too sure but she sure liked it in the moment. I I mean we've seen her make out with him several times this episode already. So it's working for him. Yeah, and I mean, I feel like you know, it's not that what he's saying is in genuine because I feel that he's very genuine with what he says, but like I said, I'm just going to be curious to see to see how that that you like. We were saying he has an infatuation. I feel like right now and he doesn't know her fully yet. But she likes it. I think it's it is though slightly insulting to her to keep just going so far in One Direction and laughter the most When I've ever seen I was in love with you before I even met you like he was saying a lot of stuff that right to me. It's a red flag would be scary. That's for sure just like for sure and I was saying this to and I watch along like I love words of affirmation and all that but like there needs to be the history behind it temperatures really mean something. Otherwise, it's like did you say this all those girls you were you know dating in your Playboy phase which is actually a package that he used to be that guy are we just seeing that guy come back now, you know in college she got got away with his really good looks got a great body and just this like really super deep stare and girls eyes and saying what they want to hear. So that's a red flag. We got a lot of stage five Clinger comments in the laptop. So I don't know, you know, he can get away with it. We have to see if his ways have changed. Yeah. I think it's kind of shady and if you because we have to think about this this truly is day to like what yeah that he had the most he had had was maybe 30 minutes of conversation with yeah and imagine being on a Tinder date with someone talking for Minutes over a drink and that person saying I think I'm starting to fall in love with you right? It's interesting. I'm someone who grew up sort of around people like this. I was involved in like a Christian Community in college. And sometimes these like Born Again Christians. They have a different metric for how to like Court a woman and we like people will say born again because it really is like you're starting a new phase of your life and belief. So, I think he has this immature view on relationships sort of in the same way someone who's born again would I think he thinks in believes that he's ready to fall hard for someone because he wants to have this different Journey, but he doesn't recognize the fact that a relationship takes away stronger Foundation than what the two of them has. I think he believes what he's saying, but there's no way he can know I think and then on the first episode from what I remember wasn't it was a his brother or his if somebody is like already married and has children. Yeah. I just started God spoke to him. Our until yeah. Oh, yeah, he had to drink. Absolutely. I don't think that the whole Born Again thing goes against his actions. Like I wouldn't expect somebody born again to be like eating someone's face off and making out with them that seems like really hard and fast you made a good point as well Jeff that he's acting like somebody who hasn't had sex in a while. Yeah. Yes born again. So he's definitely right I share of times before this. Yeah. It's a thing work. If you can't go to home plate, you will hit first base as hard. As you can and you will try to steal those other bases if you can so Jeff a lot of people in the chat bringing up. I see a Livia I see Mel Hannah says he's saying all the right things and that's a problem. That's a red flag right there that it seems contrived. Yeah. I I personally think Luke does think that he's telling the truth. I think he thinks these things right? Right, right, but they are problematic and I think Hannah should have a huge red flags. I think siren should be going off everywhere because it's just so much. Soon Twitter's not having it either Twitter is not here for Luke pay some of Bachelor nation is in here either Tia Booth who was on Colton season as well tweeted out that she just thinks he's such a liar a lot of Bachelor Nation wing and on this season already. So interesting. Well, we'll have to see I don't think Lupe's going anywhere so he'll be around for a while and there's a lot more to come. Let's talk about this evening very very interestingly. I think all of us expected loopy to get the first impression Rose, but no, it's our boy dread and that's really we really good because that's basically who we said should have won the competition. So he's the true winner who cares who got the little Crown exactly. I think she felt the sincerity. Yeah. Sure. I mean there was some to were the definite frontrunners in the in the thing. So I'm so happy. He got it clearly. Well, actually I'm not happy. You got it because I want them to slide into my dreams someone who is having a problem with Luke p is Mike J who made sure to cap off Hannah's tour know. He toasted to the night and he said here's to toasting with words that mean something and making our intentions well heard and not coming on too strong. You think my J was referring to anyone specifically you guys I mean, I think he might have been I wonder who shout out to Mike J though for throwing like very appropriate shade. Yeah, he's just been killing it. He's getting a really good at it right now. And yeah here for you. Yeah, he really is. He's definitely Dark Horse. So we'll have to see what happens like Jack you sure any other significant moments. Will he did let's not forget he called. Old Luke a dog. Yeah, he really calls them out for exactly what he's doing. Yep. Yeah, thanks feel like that's primarily the group date anything else stand out to you guys before we move on. All right, let's go and talk then about Tyler G who gets a helicopter ride and a ATV mud session get messy overall spots a little Tim Tebow action overall thoughts on Tyler G his connection with Hannah and his standing in the race right now. I Well, I think Tyler is gorgeous. I think that he a little like I was saying I think he's a little bit guarded for sure and it was really nice. I mean Hannah was trying to make him be as comfortable as possible, which was really nice and I felt like by the end of it. He was opening up a little bit more when we did kind of say a little bit forgettable the date was but overall. I mean it kind of looks like Tim Tebow and that's all good in my book. So he got a rose at the end of the date. So obviously that's kind of the goal and he did it but I did not like this date at all. Either parts of it, you know, at least what we saw a big chunk of it was the two of them talking about how it feels to go on the first solo date and oh, yeah, it is nervous that no just be yourself. Well, I don't want to see that just do it. Yeah, but they learn about each other ask questions. I don't want you to talk about what it feels like to be on the date you're on it and she's been on it. So I just thought it was a Of wasted time. I think he's lucky that she sees something with him and get my rose to go forward agreed. I wasn't a fan of their body language on the day either. I felt like he I think he did do a good job though of letting her speak. I didn't like that, you know the conversation started off being about Colton. I was like man, I hope this isn't just oh yeah talking about her ex, but I think it just to your point Mike. I think it just shows that she does see something in him. She trusts him. She said how she could relate to where he was during this time and he allowed her to continue to talk about herself. We actually learned A little bit more about what hand actually wants. She know she wants to be a mom. Her goal is to have a family that's something we didn't get before. So I appreciate him giving her the chance to talk and be a good listener, but don't be too good of a listener that you're not actively you know, participating in this date. He kind of just sat back and even their kiss was just so lackluster together felt just like the rose didn't really feel super earn based off of chemistry about you. Yeah, there wasn't much set on this date. Will you mean Hannah to I felt like I wasn't getting as much Clarity from his As I usually do I like that she owned up to the fact that she's interested in dreams of having a husband and a family but it's confusing because she's like, you know in terms of my dreams, I've always wanted to just be a mom and have a family and a career and it was just kind of like what specifically this was just a generic generic. Yeah. I didn't get anything really from either of them. Yeah, I agree with you. But like she's also a Southern girl from Alabama who that's probably what she was raised on like you get older you have this family and I just was confused what career idea what? Career, does she want I wish you would have gotten it. It's yeah, you know, that's unclear. Yeah, it's great if she only wants to have a family but it was weird for to also mention career because all we know that she's interested in instant pageants. Yeah, so I don't know. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm just thinking back to Becca season 2. I don't know that she really said a lot about herself herself. Either Rachel was the one who I felt like was very clear on like who she was her lifestyle what she expected from her partner going into it still need more of that from Hannah. Yeah. It wasn't. Really bad actually, it seems a bad date I think so. Yeah. Well if you guys disagree and you like Tyler Jeannie like their connection, let us know because some counter points are always interesting so off in the comments and we'd love to hear it. Misha ceases generic is the right word. Yeah. Yes. Well, let's move on to the second group date. First of all, we get to see a little bit of the LA roller derby girls who could kick any of these guys asses what I got fun to see that fun for them to feature some in a show that gets criticized for not necessarily always featuring strong women. I was cool to see like 12 badass chicks. Just kick these guys as butts in terms of their ability their athletic abilities, but the primary part of the group date was of course the roller derby we had the orange team in the green team. We had our two Jammers gamma camera. That's right, Darren and Dustin, let's talk first about Dustin getting injured. I feel like that was a significant moment. First of all do we think Dustin really got injured or was his pride injured and he needed a reason. Talk to Anna. I mean if if if that was if that was a whole planned out thing or something. I say Kudos man. Yeah, you better you go and you get that solo time you get that sympathy. I do you take advantage of it. Absolutely if I just stay down here. I'll get a little talky time do it do it. Even it would even be fun for him to bring up the fact that like, I'm not really hurt. I just want to talk to you like that. How exactly would point out that direction that's really a huge knowledge actually competitive roller derby. He's so calm down you had to I mean did any of us really take the zeitz seriously and start in terms of competitiveness. They really enjoyed seeing grown men fall a little bit about that because there's something really funny about like when these do get really intense and competitive and we can watch these guys peacock a little bit and they really didn't produce or play into the competition component at all. Now in the wheels on their feets right? I think we're gonna get that later. I'm sure thinking back to the t's as well of the guys, I guess in Scotland or Ireland. The end up in those Kilts kind of lighting that seems like we're gonna get ya testosterone facing off. Yeah, I'd be I think so too. It's just interesting. Cuz a lot of times they'll do the kind of like the losing team gets less time or and there were no right - yeah. Yeah. I want somebody to knock somebody out. I know who my girl. Yeah. Yeah, no Stakes here, but it's all right. It was fun. I thought the best part was actually seeing the female roller derby girls. I just thought okay. Yeah, I will say though interestingly that night we get to know Justin a little better. And if you would have told me a guy that she would immediately not have a connection with I would have guessed. It was Dustin. He seemed like someone who wasn't necessarily her type, but they had really interesting connection before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account. A huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. I think she's little smitten with him and in their own, Way, yeah, I mean I see your point though. You did say from I think I won that you didn't think Hannah would be the type to go for someone with a nose ring. Right? So you're thinking just like appearance-wise. I just don't gel peer. Well, not only appearance wise but my guess I think it's a bold statement for do to her nose ring. And you know, I think it's not hard to necessarily make assumptions about that person if they do that, I mean, I don't know maybe that's not fair of me, but I just pictured us and being maybe more of like a hippie not necessarily sharing the same value system is Hanabi, but I don't know that a nice connection. I think Hannah be likes the fact that he's kind of a quiet more introverted sweetie. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I like them is definitely like thought I was cute that she was impressed by the fact that he got back up when he felt like yeah, like I think so Glee. I'm kind of milk toast on them to be honest. I don't like yeah, he's there. I honestly don't really see him going that far. I think they have all kind of friendly connection and it's not we see with so many of these other guys. I feel like more so than in past Seasons the guys she likes it's really hot and it's for her and she's really connected and it's very strong almost more so than we've seen in past bachelors and bachelorettes. So I'm just I'm just not feeling with him. Well the moment I felt the friend zone energy was when she made out with his mustache for about 10 so rough. Yeah. She was just all up in his stash hair and then after the kiss it was a very friendly hug, and she kind of patted him on the back and I was like, I don't pass this friend zone. Thank you for that. Yeah, exactly. I think she respects Dustin but I just don't sense the hell. Yeah. Yeah sure for sure. What he did get the first impression Rose. Yeah, which I was very surprised very surprised by none of us. Saw that coming. No, we think was gonna get it. That's a good sign. Yeah, it was someone that wasn't dust but so many many people have said in the chat the person who gets injured always gets it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean Peter we had said Peter Peter was there that we thought was going to be in the thing. We appreciate about Peters conversation. That night was it was the only conversation in this episode that was about something it wasn't about just how they feel like they should feel or like what it means to be vulnerable. It was about like, what do you like something? Like he's actually getting to know somebody I loved what he said was he was saying he's kind of put love on the back burner until he got his career settle and he was like, which is I can relate to a lot because that's how I feel in my life currently. So I can really respect somebody who directly says that to you. Like I'm ready to find love. I just I find it to be very admirable and I really like Peter. Yeah here this Judd that's where she is in her life right now. So I love that. You just said she loves Peter so nice to have a second choice slide into the okay. What we can forget is on this second group date night. We of course have ABC always be in cam. I feel like you just have to devote a whole topic to can because he wouldn't lie dominated the last half of this episode Mike thoughts on cam. I got a quick thought before we talk about Kim. Yes, please. Okay, because it's safe cam. Let's say it can't for just one second because as we all know Hannah has a limited number of roses to give out every single episode but are fantastic viewers at home. They do not have a limited number of roses. You guys can fall in love with all the shows across all of AfterBuzz networks because you all know that we cover after shows for all of your favorite shows. No matter what genre tub. Topic subject anything. I can't even speak and we love seeing you guys in the chat just like lies that Joseph Renee Misha Amaya Avalon. We see all of y'all hanging out here with us. 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Hard and so basically cam has not been chosen for any of the dates. He knows he's not going to get to go out and see Hannah so he gets the bright idea to go to the producers write and tell them I'm gonna bump in introduce is sorry, but it on this date and he goes and he just takes over the time he sits down with flowers and she lets him. Yeah, but her reaction to me when he walked up I was like it was cringeworthy. She was like, are you serious right now like Okay. Yeah, I don't know. I did not feel that she liked that at all. I've been though she likes a guy that's bold, but I just don't think she liked it. What did you like that little bit but it's gonna fizzle out. Yeah. I mean Hannah has been preaching a lot about wanting a guy to be bold and to show up for her and be expressive but I just I wasn't a fan of them and I truthfully don't think that Hannah was I don't think she handled it as nicely as a bachelor at good in that moment. Yeah, possibly even a little too like giving too much of a password. I think she should have maybe called him out like I think it's still early on that early enough that she's figuring everyone out. And I think it's very just demanding to say that like your time is mine right now. Yeah, and has it ever happened? I mean it hasn't happened in the past. Let someone just comes on a date the not supposed to be on hasn't happened a lot. Um, not this early not this early. Like I know my sister season Taylor crashed a date later on in the season, but like usually what I think when the stakes are a little higher, yeah, it just feels forced and and granted it is a competition I get it. But there are ways to make bold moves that will negatively hurt you. And so we were all saying the same thing when this happened right exactly what you said, but what how does your opinion of a change knowing that she gave him a rose at the end? I here's what I think I think what I learned about Hannah tonight was that I don't think she liked cam coming on today, but I do think gift-giving might be higher in her love languages than we realize because what he walked up she wasn't having it, but then when he pull out flowers she was like oh and when they went He interrupted the second time she wasn't having it. But when he had the chicken nuggets in the honey mustard, she seemed to warm up to it. Yeah, high-density Grand gesture type date and chicken nuggets. But I mean come on you just she seems like a grand gesture gift. She likes to be seen in that way with specifics and that's one thing I think camps creepy. I think he's doing weird stuff but giving specifically thoughtful. It's dangerous. Yeah are which none of the other guys are really doing and I think that's the reason she's keeping him. Yeah. I don't think it's because she actually feels like she has a genuine connection with him. I think it's exactly what you said. Just these all these grand gestures while that they're not doing that for me, right? He's just standing out more than an exam because no one else is doing as well not no one but like maybe five or six other guys and keep around will force everyone else's stuff the cookies up for as much as they hate it or love it. Yeah stabbing at eyes came through and told him after I don't like what you did there their feathers ruffled. That's the real bad move the whole thing. That's worse than cam interrupting. The whole group date is everybody coming. Telling him how much he got like that. That's the worst thing you can do on Baxter. It's terrible and I concentrate on her like Garrett is Garrett, right? Yeah so upset. He didn't get any one-on-one time. But he did go out to confront him unless unless producers had pulled her away right instead of going out and confronted cam. Why don't you go get some time with him? Exactly. And I know we kept saying that when we were in there I was like, what are you doing? Like, this is your time to stay in there and fight for her not go. Hey, man, I just really don't appreciate what you did out there. Okay, cool. Talk to you later. Like we don't need that. I don't mean that I said this during the watch along you could have absolutely said at the house later when you got back home you have learned but so much. Yeah, I'm to go to Hannah that's five minutes that it took you to do that. I wanted to camps credit these guys were thrown they did not know how to handle it because it was so funny watching all of them walk out with this grand plan will do that just feel like it's I mean, I don't know like just do what you want. But and then coming back and being like wait, that didn't work like yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like what he's just like whatever and I love remember we're talking about the shot when Tyler first walks. It's like this like long. Oh, yeah, it's wrong out shot of him like a walking up to the camera was like, well, there's yep. There's someone coming out there in the distance blurry. All right there Opitz Tyler might get this happens every single season. Yeah, something like this happens, right? But it always surprises me that any of these guys who confront like a cam think that he cares like I really don't think that cool. Why do I care what you think? You're my competition? I only care what Hannah things like great. Are you angry? Awesome bro? Yeah like you with it. Exactly why I like him from a TV perspective. He is, you know, but yeah keep making power moves. I will say the chicken nugget State when he forced Kevin to be there sir. That was horrific. It's like I went like I said, I would have taken those chicken nuggets. I would have right on his head. Yeah right on will later. He did. Yeah, that's true. So right there because when cam comes to interrupt again, Kevin needs to say no, right? I don't understand when somebody like a cam who's obviously obviously not playing by the rules. Let's say or whatever right when they go to enter updates all these guys just say, okay. Yeah. Can I steal her away or no just say no. I'm done with her and 10 minutes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I have to credit cam on one hand, but I also have to admit that I think he's creepy. What was the one thing? I think we gotta stop analyzing cam too much. Don't be so overhead a little between that and every five seconds and then the harmonica Wait, what do you like wherever they're like, I'm like, I don't need this shot of him and with the harmonica and just kind of weird. Yeah that's happening with him. This is a lot that's stalker boyfriend. Like well, let's get into the cocktail party a lot of significant conversations here. We did everyone wants us to talk about Tyler see because I think she had a real moment of connection with Tyler see tonight. She he's she makes him he makes her feel smitten. You can see it all over her face and she actually leaned in to kiss him. That's something we all pointed out during the exchange like she She was wanting that physical connection from him. So he got the juice I mean is I don't really feel him. I don't like the whole like laid-back. I kind of never smile and almost like half I cocked away from you like you like em for me, but I think he's doing everything Hannah. Yeah, I mean what? Yeah, I mean I actually do like him. I mean he's saying what is he a football player was that will contract a contract dances in the people's houses. He hasn't finished yet. Okay, I do I'm gonna be honest with you. I do like Tyler. Yeah. If he's dead number three, okay slide into dams. But yeah, and I mean he's you know, he's getting butterflies and she leaned in for the kiss. So I think she's digging it for sure. I can't weird - Tyler see I'm just gonna be honest. I'm like why this dude almost majored in day? I don't know. There's just something is energy managed just like because you also I remember his words when he came out of the limo. He's like, hey girl, you're rocking that dress and I'm into it. Yes. Yeah, he feels a little performative to me. He feels like he's from another decade, but I just can't Yeah, I'm with him. I don't know what it is. Check is pretty split right here. Some water see something don't like his laid-back. He seems high all the time. Tyler's a hottie. We got ya myself. I'm here for that. That's a good content. That's exhausting. If I don't really like Tyler's he played football in college. So he was talking about how when he was coming out of the tunnel and he was up here. I can't carry on like the butterflies. I think that felt like a line to me. I don't know. Let us know what you think of Tyler seen the comments. Chat to me the more genuine version of Tyler. See I actually think they're kind of similar is Connor s. Is that right kind of rested so forget I've got a yeah, Connor asked was like a cheesy, but it's like a high school sophomore. Yeah. I don't know. I think they both kind of have that like Surfer bro. They do they do but Connor is I felt like I was putting on less of a show for Hannah. Like I feel like he might actually like her neither of them has a ton of personality, you know, you don't think Tyler likes kind of forgot about I think Tyler likes but I think he's putting a pass play it too safe right now. Yeah, okay. Step it up, honey. Is that right? Am I saying Connor us? I'm trying to be I think he's right. Okay, and I think Connor has his kind of rest of might surprise us. All right, let's say enough excitedly. Yeah, like the final major interaction that cocktail party we have to talk to is when P clearly demonstrates the fact that he hasn't gotten intimate with a woman in a while. I mean, he does clothes come on and Hannah was having it. Yeah. Oh she was happy. It is saying it lightly. Yeah. What did we think? What do you think of all this the massage? It says too much. There's a lot. I mean, I love a good massage. But again, we're in the what to day to three days. I don't know look. All right, take the clothes off. It looked like it looked like they were having a lot of fun and to be fair whether or not this is contrived by Luke. It looks like Hannah and him really got caught up in the moment at least Hannah did and for that it's fun. And I think the reason why you know, she was so caught up in it was genuine at least from her perspective is when Jed Jed comes in and interrupts and it's kind of bad bad making babies through Hannah off so flustered. Oh, yeah God, it was almost like does this crummy therapy? Like it was like, oh, yeah very I mean she was just like get away. I don't know how to yeah. She's started dropping an F-bomb. I thought yeah that whole bleep section. I thought this was the tell that these are the two frontrunners in her mind right now fish are not want him to see her doing that with you. That is the big thing. She's having fun. What? Oh my God, not him to walk in. But how well did you get handled? I mean amazing which wasn't why I love him even more. I'm more in love with him than I was I think sorry I think he had the perfect balance of like, you know playing it cool like he didn't embarrass her per se but he also showed that he was heard enough that she ran right after him and reassured him and made sure that he felt good because to your point. He isn't front-runner. Yeah. I'm so honestly like if you didn't care what you thought about like, I feel like had dust In or somebody else random walked into them like, oh, I'm so sorry, but it was Jed. Like she didn't even look back at Loop. It was actually just running off. Yes, like John Paul Jones. Okay, Cam walks in right canvas has the entire night and it's all about but he handled it. So the way I would have handled it, I would have take my jacket off me like cool miter. Like let's go. Yeah, like either way, I think you got to make a joke out of it. You gotta laugh about a little bit because then she understands, you know jealousy only goes so far we understand what we're all in for and you really like Olivia be has a really good assessment of this. I think thanks for joining us and maybe she says it was interesting how frazzled Hannah got one Jenna locked in. I think she really likes Jedi but it's really attracted to yes. I agree. I agree. There's more to Judd and his just authenticity. Then there is with Luke p and I think that the farther we get along and this season we're going to really see that the life I will say that I feel like I saw three pretty strong connections tonight with Luke p with Tyler see and with Jed but I felt like she really only went in I feel like I only saw like smitten kind of Google Liaise with Tyler seeing with Jed. I don't know if I'd seen that like I feel like I've seen the physical attraction eyes with Luke P but never like the sweetheart. I know yeah, he's smitten just like super super like sexual attraction because when he comes back in at the end of the episode number confessional she her she's excited. I think that's what he sealed the deal with her. They'll to come back and say everything is a hundred percent real Rowdy. I think he was even picking up on her vibe still that she wasn't completely sold by everything that He was saying in the beginning of the episode and she brought up again. Like when you say those words love like that is really serious. She wants to make sure the yeah, he knows what he is saying like this isn't just an infatuation type of thing. Like you need to know what you're saying to me right now is almost damage control from the beginning of the episode. Yeah, let's clarify what this is and I said to his point. I'm not the biggest fan of his I like what he's doing in the episodes because it's makes it interesting, but he did say I'm starting to fall. In love with you, he didn't say I'm in love with you all about it bla bla. So that's an easy kind of caveat to what he said someone brought this up. I believe it was loved by you and the chat a little bit earlier made a comment do we think that Brian is I mean that Luke p is giving us Brian vibes from Rachel season of The Bachelorette. They had that insane physical chemistry. At first a lot of people thought he was Sleazy and question his intentions. We haven't quite gotten to that last part yet with Luke, but it's foreshadow that people will you know question is intention, so We it's Portia out of the people are questioning his intentions, but also potentially the he's the one that kind of does the little shaming of her about her sleeping with people right in the Judgment. That was what it felt. Like they were for shouting was him and definitely him blowing up with other people that they're foreshadowing Luke. Yeah. Oh, wow that I'm not really sure I did the intense physical connection is obviously there and it's a really good juxtaposition with Jed who you know, she said he looks good in his Speedo and all that but it's definitely more of a mental stimulus. Yeah. What Which guy - Rachel? Yeah, and I see the bride Vibes and Peter. That's an interesting comparison. Yeah. Well, we'll have to see if that pretty much covers the episode guys anything else. I mean Mateo ate bugs. That's the only other thing that we need to just go through quickly who went home. I don't think there's any real surprise. Oh, yeah, I've been real Connor Connor. Jay was the only one who is maybe yeah, and I put yeah Connor J Darren and then I didn't even know who the last guy was. I put one dude the most bad for Darren because Won it for his team and he jammed he was a winning Jammer. He got nothing out of it. Yeah, that's linked. Somehow the mustard guy got through. Sorry how mustard guy? Thank you what we are talking about. It someone was in the chat with it. Yes, I mentioned earlier. I've been saying it since last week. How is the sausage guy getting through how Sasha's parties to keep winning and even cute to me at all. I just think there was just a lot. She's still she's got like, you know five roses. She has to give out. She's still like you get one. Whoever you are. You get a rose. You're gonna roam All right, guys, well that wraps about our coverage. We have a couple special seconds. We're gonna quickly get into let's start with our news and gossip because that's the biggest. Yeah. This week was a hot week for The Bachelorette Kelly Ripa decided to slam the show on her show Live with Kelly and Ryan Ryan Seacrest brought up that they would be interviewing Hannah be The Bachelorette and she said you guys, you know how I feel about that. She came out said the show was disgusting. She thinks it's ridiculous that women should have to chase after men pretty much slamming the franchise and how Go about the whole process and Mike Fleiss the executive producer to tweet it out telling her to be easy. We have some of the tweets going up right now. If you guys are watching us on YouTube Chris Harrison chimed in saying look out Bachelor Nation Chris. Yeah, but then it gets interesting because Ellen Pompeo who's also on an ABC show Grey's Anatomy chimed in to defend Kelly Ripa. She called out Mike Fleiss. She you know had some Fair criticism about the show see more of her tweets there. Yeah, and she you know, if she responded to a fan talking about representation on the show, but she felt the need to call it out. That's really strange. It was strange to me and Hannah if you guys look online. The interview is up Hannah does go on the show and talk to Kelly Ripa face to face and they talk about it. Their conversation was very weird to me for many reasons and I don't know why Kelly Ripa decided to bring this up now as if she hasn't interviewed past winners of the show for the past x amount of years that both of their shows have been on the chair. Yeah. She also came across as But who's never watched the show to me because there's so much more to it. I mean, yes for what it's worth the process can be a little tricky but it's well in response. I would say you're absolutely right women don't have to chase after men but Hannah wants to or else she would have gone on the show. So can we respect your decision? She stood by that. I also thought it was Harris. It was interesting that Hannah in her defense also said, you know, I like you I never watched the show before but it kind of turned me around and that was only part I wasn't buying I think enemy has totally watched the show before I was BS. That was the drummer wrapped up in one age lot of comment lot of hot tea this week. Well, that's what you guys saw in the thought in the comments below the thoughts. That's a probably not the right thing to do. And I also got to say I love the way you say Kelly Ripa. We got that little Kelly Ripa 3 Christina. We are so short on time. So for our special segment waiting for the right reasons, we're just going to feature one tweet. And that is the hashtag tweeting for the right reasons everybody night. So, yeah. That came from you Christine. So yeah, I wanted to highlight one of our longtime followers and listeners that our broccoli. She added this tweet to our hashtag tweeting for the right reasons and the Tweet says Hannah and the all-white on the four-wheeler was the most aggressive tampon commercial. Oh my God, that was all right genius. So thanks for that. This is the second best thing about watching The Bachelorette is seeing Bachelor Twitter happen because it's so funny. Y'all are so hilarious. Gosh, the memes that everything that ever gets and remember guys that if you do hashtag tweeting for the right reasons, we may shout you out on are that's our weekly special segment any other any other thoughts from the episode guys think we just about comedy that's all I gotta say. Yeah. I'm excited where it's going because I think honestly we're trimming out a lot of the fat with these guys who just didn't have a chance and we're starting to get down to a pretty decent group of contenders favorites are starting to come out. So I'm happy where we're at with it. Yeah. I'm excited. It said get eliminated. Thank you. And also Peter is a mixture of Nick Veil and Colton if they had a baby, you know, the show's done taping so you can just go after it right now. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right guys. Well, we unfortunately do have to get out of here, but we have so much fun doing this every week. And if there's anything we missed put it in the comments below and we'll let you know we think and thank you Rachel for you guys so so much fun to be here and hopefully I'll be seeing you all in some more after show soon. Absolutely speaking of Rachel. Where can they find you on Twitter or Instagram in the meantime if they want to connect with you Matt? So on. Twitter it is a tray Chiefs win and on Instagram. It is at Rachel swindler. Great. How about you Mike guys? Thank you so much for hanging out with us in the chat Miss Brown Sugar Liza Misha CCC Cheyenne Kyla. We see you all you can find me everywhere at Mike feeling and really quickly. We are gonna be doing a special AfterBuzz taping with my called ruthless recap where he goes into the game and talks about the strategy behind this crazy franchise. I think so guys. Thanks so much guys for joining us this week. You can find me on Twitter at Christine being with three. He's and on Instagram at Christine. I Alexis. Let me know who your favorites are early favorites. I want your votes right now. Yeah guys, my name is Jeff Graham. Thank you so much for tuning in. You can find me on Twitter at Jeffrey see Graham We will of course be here next Monday. You can join us for the watch along at 5 p.m. To hear our thoughts as the show is happening or join us for the after show at 7 p.m. Pacific or just join us for both because that's the best way to do it. Thank you so much guys. We'll see you next week boost our founder Kevin. Garo and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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