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You are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look Oh, I thought we were going to start on the best around I forgot I was about ready to jump. Which are very sad very sad that can happen. I how can you be sad when Cobra Kai is back really are a sad. This is bad get him bad. So guys, we are back in studio and season to there's so much to talk about it's a binge show. Obviously the whole thing is out. So there's so much like we literally could talk about 10 episode straight right now, but this is the first episode of season 2 Cobra Kai, this is Mercy part 2. We got a stacked panel. Yeah. Look at this. This is Goods. A good-looking family. We are ready to go. The energy in here is fantastic to I mean if this if like getting these out of you guys like when you put it on your like, oh, it's go time. Yeah, you like getting in the zone far before we even stepped in here. It got real. Yeah, I drove over I drove over here. So yes, this is exciting it there's a lot to talk about and I think because we have limited time per episode just Yeah, 10 hours back to back would be hard. We want to jump straight into things. So, you know, we'll get the introductions in a second. I think talking about the new cast members the place that I really want to start and that's Martin Cove Marty Cove as a buddy of mine actually grew up calling him Uncle Marty and so because he told me that I have been calling him Marty Cove ever since he came back to show his name is not Marty go. It's Martin Cove, but he is back and he's evil. Maybe I'm not sure how he is. Clear he I don't think I have no hope for the guy you have no hope for Kris. Well, obviously your melee know. I have a lot of negative emotions, you know, I think just to just so everybody knows kind of who they're dealing with here and Miyagi dough. This is Rock Valencia everyone. She's returning. How you doing? I'm good. I'm good. How are you? I'm very well. I'm very well Miyagi no rounding out me all you know, we have Tammy gouveia who just actually Did the we just did the paleyfest part of the cast just yeah. Yeah, and the only reason that I have any faith in Marty is because he's such a great guy his the story such a great is so sweet. He's so nice to be want something. So yeah, we should go walk you up the interview. I did it with some point during maybe not tonight because it's the first episode. It's like he tells a Sly Stallone. Sorry. It's amazing. It's one of the funniest things that ever happened in our carpet. Michael clouse have never done a show with you, but we're never done a show. Together and now we're on the same team to yeah. I mean, I feel like it would have been appropriate if we were together and not on the same team. We wrap our team here. I hadn't come back and you had just taken my spot. I really honestly feel like he would have Kevin would have like a new star pupil running the dojo. So I feel like I had to come back. Yeah. So now the intros are out of the way, let's get back to Kris first and foremost. It's a pretty obvious bad guy like it. Whereas whereas Johnny Lawrence season 1 he's an Hero Kris, you just like he is a straight 80s bad guy movie guy. Yeah and like do we think that it's going to go that way the whole time is it that obvious? I hope so. Oh sweet. I want him. I want him to do his thing. Yeah. I want him to do his thing and he's the opening of the show what ended, you know season finale and then it opened with him in the shadows. I mean that's one of the all-time best openings of any shows seriously because you knew who was the Shadow the Music it was phenomenal. Did you guys ever watch the movie macgruber with Will Forte did not watch from here. I mean, I obviously watching MacGyver macgruber, you know, have you heard Mr. Gruber one of my favorite? Says it here. It's like straight out of an 80s action movie that's been said like 17 times and famous movie. So I was like, okay, they're really leaning into this, you know, and it's like he should look at him and be like not everything and then flip them over but he hasn't quite got that far. I just kind of want to say I agree with you Tommy. I hope that he stays a complete villain because as we had kind of scene in the first Karate Kid movie and in last season Johnny was more of our anti-hero or antagonist. So we kind of already got that like you might love to hate him kind of character and I feel like Chris should just stay the you love you hate to hate him kind of character. I think the difference to is like a obviously last season when they brought back Johnny and Daniel like they look different than they did as kids. Do you like? Oh, maybe this is a new person Marty looks Martino you guys he looks the same and so you're like that almost mentally tricks you into thinking. Okay. He is not a good guy still that kind of takes remarkable care of himself if you had to guess right now, what age is Martin Cove? Early 60s, I would say 59. I would have said like 60 early 60s Martin Cove is 73 years old that guys like Denzel Washington. We need to start smoking cigars. Yeah, right. Yeah. Wow crushing it. They cry. I feel like he could kick my ass good for him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He definitely could so yeah good for him. So he is crushing it. He comes back he claims that he regrets his actions, whatever. I think it's all nonsense. I think it really does. Does I actually do think that he is a true a he's been on I don't think that there's like I think they're going to give us like a red herring and I there's a lot of those right like the trash the trash catching on fire in the opening scene. Yeah, it's like a classic red herring like oh knows it's gonna burn down. No, they're just trying to raise the tension. They just want you to think like maybe something's going on here, right? So they fight then we cut from that scene. The next piece of the show is we kind of get the birth of Miyagi dough. So we get to see a sweet Montage with some like good 80s throwback. Yeah, Robbie and he's painting I was pretty hyped on that. Are you guys Robbie fans? I mean you like him as a character? Ah, here's the thing. I don't dislike Robbie. I do like Robbie, but I think I think are too kind of male leads on the opposite side of the mat. I prefer Miguel. I really enjoyed Miguel's character development last season and I do like how Robbie has developed kind of went from a delinquent to kind of like the stand-up guy and I really appreciate that, but I don't know. I think I just I didn't join the go. Yeah, I don't just like Robbie. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I like the total compare and contrast that they're putting out there of Miguel almost seems like a bad guy who will turn good Robbie seems like a good guy who could turn bad right? And I don't know what I'm what I'm hoping for because you don't want anyone to turn bad. I mean as I'm wearing this Cobra Kai, but I think that that is a hard thing because I can well that would they have one switch and not the other because they are on such opposite sides, right? Yeah, I think I think that there's a lot of ambiguity like morality these characters in a way that in Karate Kid 1 really they if you read into it now as an adult you probably see more of it but in the 80s like that does feel a lot more like a black and white movie. You have the good guys versus the bad guys, you know, obviously Marty is a bad bad guy and Johnny's you see some sympathy right but like he's still kind of a bad dude. He's like, he's totally bought in this show doesn't really want to do that. They want you to they really want you to be behind it just about every single character and that's what I love about it. I love like you said the ambiguity because the characters are so fleshed-out. You can empathize with just about everyone whether they make extreme choices or not. You can still sit back and go but I get it I get it. Yeah, and I think one of the nicest things about it is that they don't ever stray away from the idea that like Ralph Macchio and Billy zabka are just there. They are forever going to be kids. Yep who kind of hate each other on the inside? Yeah, and they saw act like it. Thank you want to show On guys you're acting like kids. Yeah, and it's like a begrudging respect but they still just kind of despise each other and that's what that's like when you know the conversations that you know, Rob he's having and like he's like great, you know, we'll take them down and then in the next sequence, you know Ralph talking his daughter and he's like we're going to destroy them, right? You know, she's like, I don't want you there my friends, you know, yeah, that's a nice scene. So actually, you know, speaking of which I think you get you get some stuff with Sam and one thing that I thought was really interesting is we all have like lived now for 10 years. Like a social media generation. It's like anything we're very used to it. We all literally didn't Instagram Story the minute before this point life like the in the writing. She's on Instagram blocking Miguel like it's portable writing like it's an understandable piece of writing enough now not just for the target audience, but like it's part of the Lexicon blocking someone on Instagram the idea that everybody has an Instagram enough that they would understand what that means in the show and I cringed when she did that I went and they show it from the perspective of Miguel to are like the feeling of looking it up. It's not just the action of like, okay. Yeah, you're blocked. Yeah the other side of like that when you really feel it looks rough and he can't find the user what yeah. Yeah. I just thought it was so interesting. I was watching that. I was like man things really have come a long way. This is like this is just writing its modern writing. Hmm. I can't remember who I think there's a very famous screenwriter who said it but hated Ting technology, I think it's Christopher McQuarrie said he hates writing technology in his movies because nothing dates a script more than technology, right? So if you watch a movie from 50 years ago, I guess that's a little far bird watching for 30 years ago. It's like stuff from from the early 90s the late 80s like the computers and the phone's it kind of changes the way plotting even works now, right? It's interesting that you bring that up then because I feel like we're in response to that. We're seeing more meaning out of days where it's like they kind of blend the two things like they have modern technology but their fashion attire and there. Running areas and everything that they do around them. Their day-to-day lives is more of like in the past. Yeah, so it's kind of like you can never tell in what era they're living. They're just living for sure for sure. So continuing to talk about Sam a little bit. You know, she's she's kind of conflicted in a she obviously mrs. Miguel her heart's broken. I think they feels like they're going to get back together. Eventually, doesn't it? I right you can I feel like that's a good hope to have because we realize that that Miguel went down a wrong path, but he still has a heart of gold. He still can be self-aware enough to realize that he has done something wrong to the point where I feel like he's just not complete evil like Kris. So I feel like there's obviously a chance that I wouldn't put it off the table and the and they're they're including characters in his story that allow him to stay good his family. Obviously, you taught him what his heart of gold in his family is still there as they were, you know, the last season with that fight like you Root against his family. So you can't fully root against him. And with Johnny we see that he want he wants to be good Ryan. So I think that he their surrounding Miguel with pieces that are allowing us to have hope for him and what I do love about Sam and Miguel is I feel like they both need to go down their own paths right now, but at some point they have to come back together because we saw them in the beginning and they were so good. Do you see them then together at the end of the season not right? End of the season no, I'm making you jump in with a prediction early here. He's in three. Well, this is there will be a season 3 because on the other hand you could have you could have like more of a catastrophic movie. You could have one of them go down a really dark path and be like, I'm a Villain Like Miguel could just become a bad guy. I think so, I don't think so because the Johnny it breaks your heart. Yes, and that's it. You know unless in this crease sucks them in but I think I don't think that's going to happen with Miguel. I think kriesel suck Hawken, but I don't think Miguel gets 10 but I don't know guys turning into a villain only so good. Oh, he's so good to weak-willed understand the lessons properly. I love I do. I do absolutely adore the like the idea that there's a lesson in every single and like you did so much so that there's a lot of music you can get a metaphor out of that because it's like poking fun at the whole idea of it. So but that now talk about Miguel and Johnny a little bit and their relationship, you know, the so John, Annie has John has been fighting this demon since season one the the hardcore demon of like I'm do not want to repeat the mistakes of the past. I don't want to be Kris. I want to do this a different way. But of course now Chris is back in the picture and he's having to kind of he's kind of having to contend with this idea. Like I became who I am and I learned all the things I learned from this tough love. Can I do this in a way that supports these kids is there is there still a silver lining in the way you're doing things and I think that's where it's talking with Kevin watching this and I know Kevin's watching it. And he's like I just I'm Jonny and I think I'm right here. Every time I hear John Kriss a some. I'm like whole part of that scab him talking about the world is weak in these trophies. And what is it? I'm like, oh that's actually not a bad idea. It was like watching an episode of The Tomorrow Show. Yeah. It was like literally I was listening to Kevin and he's like kids get participation trophy. What's that? What's the line that he says, it's like we got a stoppie. You gotta we gotta stop the ass kissing. Saying start the ass-kicking. I think that's aligned, right? Yeah. Yeah. I like that is a Keven undergaro quote. I mean like a in like a joking way but also in like a believing like you should work hard for what you have and I didn't and that I think is what keeps you on edge too because you're like, is this really bad? Right? Is it is there hope yeah, I mean he so he disciplined his students to be the best fighters in the valley and they they were conditioned to win the tournament which like winning is great. I mean we all love to win it then. If it's not like losing is better than winning, but obviously his students, you know Hawk and Miguel to some degree were they interpreted their lessons in correctly? And so they targeted weakness which is where that line comes, you know, do you want to destroy, you know kill the the strongest animal the weakest animal right? Can you have one without the other they can think it I think that is the yeah. Really? Yeah. I think I think that's going to be the story line throughout as we're torn and being like are you able to do this way with this is good, but no it comes. It's 90% good. Bad, but can you have the 90% without the 10% right? It's you know, it broke my heart when Kris apologizes to Johnny. I was like really I did invite him by it. But to see Johnny come out and go, you know, don't go and Kris just smiled. And now that's a disability. This is the 80s villain but there was just that moment of I know Johnny has a path and he wants to do right by these kids, but he's so he's so wounded. He's still so wounded by its past two things. I have to say to that. Yeah. I feel like he can never fully get rid of crease in his heart because that was his father figure. Growing up in a sense and to I feel that Johnny he's on his path and he wants to do things differently. He wants to make a better life for himself. I think part of that Journey for him is forgiveness is giving Second Chances because he's kind of getting a second chance at doing things over and he probably thinks I should lend the same favor to someone else. Yep. Yeah. I thought the best line the whole episode is when Kris says to him. Just remember kid. I'm the guy that always rooted for you. Yeah, and I was like, yes, I'm in I'm on board with Kris because I love that Liar Liar Kevin if you're watching just because I thought of you so much we have to watch this movie called Over the Top it says you have to be ready to discuss as like that is like against you guys. Track be ready to discuss. Yeah and like this so good and so good. So okay getting to the final scene to show we're at the hardware store and Johnny sees Robbie with with Danny with Daniel and the line then after this conversation that comes is he looks at him and says, he's a better man than you'll ever be which is the heart is the line that cuts time to the core tough that relationship Wendy. When does that relationship gonna get mended? I hope I hope it gets mended soon. And this is a particular story line. That I struggle with because I mean I am not a parent but I feel like that's kind of crossing a line when you know, you don't if you're like spending time with someone else's child, but not kind of involving that parent if it's something as we'll see in the next few episodes something happens with Robbie, but he's not getting Johnny involved. I think that's a little disrespectful and I think that goes back to that Johnny doesn't know what to do. He's still so wounded and he wants to be there for her son, but he doesn't know how to do it and he didn't have a father figure in his own. So he's learning as he goes. Yeah, so I can't fault him for it. I agree with you. But at the same time I can't fault him because he doesn't he's not acquit doesn't get it. So on the side of the other father-son father-daughter relationship, you have salmon her resistance to wanting to be a part of this this training experiment. Yeah, gido and he gives the line about you know, the turn around backwards kick, you leave yourself vulnerable or whatever, you know, there's definitely some TV writing in this in the show. That is a little too like It's a little too on the nose. I guess like that's a moment or like when Kris has his line in the diner. And he's like if you ever heard of brumation, I like that you guys are trying really hard. I'm not sure but there was those moments where I was like, okay, this is TV writing the other thing that I thought was really interesting just before wrapping it up with Sam and Danny is like they definitely a writing this for you to get in to get into it without having seen season 1 there's Exposition there that I think I was wondering if Going to do like you know in the kitchen when whose wife is like, you know, are you happy they broke up? He's like well, of course, I'm happy that she broke up with Cobra Kai star student, you know, it's like he wouldn't say that necessarily he might suspect. Yeah, you know Miguel sucks like but it's like Exposition. It's TV writing so you need it. And I thought that was interesting the way they're structuring it so that if somebody does want to get into season 2, they don't want to have to watch season one. Do you feel too much or let it is it slightly distracting if you have seen season 1 it feels like every fifth Beat like four out of five I get it, right and then every 58, there's like that moment where I'm like stretching a little bit but on the whole I'm loving it and I'm a big fan of it and I'm like, I'm all in like I'm totally hooked a TV doesn't get me as much as it used to like it takes a special show to really hook me the show. I'm like really really yeah, you know, I did have a question Carmen Miguel's mom and Johnny. What do you think? I should yeah, the tres leches cake is delicious. I went to Costa Rica like two months ago and it is huge down there and I had it every single day. You're sweet. It is amazing. You can go to Vallarta here in Los Angeles and they have it. That's something you think I take it that something better something I have done delicious. So I think because this is a streaming show. I don't necessarily want to do predictions just because we're all going to watch so many episodes back to back to back to back. It's gonna be very hard to like, honestly. Dict when we actually just know what happens, but what I will say is based on at the end of episode 1 where do you want it to go but rather than where you know, it's gonna go like what storyline you want to see? Who are you the most invested in right now? Like why don't we start there? Who is the character? You're the most invest in the story right now? I would honestly probably say Johnny just because especially with the introduction or the reintroduction of Kris. You can tell Johnny is going to be fighting this battle because Kris is going to want things his way and Johnny's gonna have to do a lot of push. Back to make sure that he stays on track of his overall goal and not let Kris kind of, you know manipulate his students the way he manipulated Johnny. So I'm rooting for him and I'm really hoping that you know, he finds the ability to better communicate so that way, you know, people don't want to go the other direction. Yeah. Yeah. I think Johnny and Chris together that relationship. Yeah learning learning more of the backstories what they've done such a good job of doing that like, okay. Why does he decide Feel this way and I think that is something that is really intriguing that you could never tackle in the Karate Kid and it's like, oh we're understanding the characters more and maybe their feelings of why so I think with Kris of just knowing that of like, why are you like this? Yeah. Did you not have a thought was there something early on that impacted you to be like this? I'm very intrigued. You know, I really want to see Larusso just back off Johnny. Yeah so judgmental and just when he's about to give him just an inch. You know, he sees Johnny increase walk out of the store and oh he's back to judging them again. So I really want Larusso to just learn some lessons take some meditation. I want them to work together because they're going to need to work together to fight Kris. I think for me, it's definitely it's Billy zabka. It's Stephanie Johnny is the character that I'm the most invested in but I'm really curious about Miguel. That's the that's the other character who I'm like, well, what is this gonna guy gonna go and if you really if you really develops economically Continues to have that edge but like I that's a character that I'm very fascinated and I can't wait to see what happens. So yeah, the episode ends and basically, you know, the the two students now in Miyagi dough and they feels like they teased the possibility of some romance maybe with with Robbie and Sam. So we'll see what happens there. There's a lot of things for us to catch up on Entry to Sam's going to fight because they're obviously they're trained her to fight someone. Yeah. And is that Johnny is that Miguel is like is Aisha? I'm not sure. Said she didn't want to fight them so friend. I mean, yeah, it's role of Miyagi dough karate is only defense what you want. So we're going to wrap up episode one here guys at the folks want to find you and follow along with what you're doing Michael. Where can they find? You can find me on Instagram and on Twitter at the only NC Ronica Iraq a bunch of you find me on Twitter and Instagram at its me Veronica underscore V, and you can find me on Twitter at Tammy gouveia and install Facebook Tim McVeigh official you guys can find me at been baby. Media Twitter and Instagram be sure to check out the Paley Center interviews that they mean I did with the cast of Cobra Kai. We may actually play some of them during the show, but there's we got everybody in the show The Creator's everybody so really really exciting and thank you guys for tuning in and watching will be back in just a little bit with episode 2. 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COBRA KAI IS BACK! On this episode of Season 2, Episode 1, hosts Ben Bateman, Veronica Valencia, Tami Goveia, and Michael Clouse talk about: John Kreese, Johnny Lawrence’s sensei growing up, is officially back teaching at Cobra Kai -- The birth of Miyagi Do -- Sam’s relationship with both Miguel and Robbie -- Should Johnny try and patch things up with Robbie? About the After Show: Loved THE KARATE KID film? Then you surely must be watching Cobra Kai on YouTube Premium. It’s a series set thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament where a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo. On this COBRA KAI AFTER SHOW, our hosts review, recap and analyze the latest episodes and bring you inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT COBRA KAI: Thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament, a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo, reigniting his rivalry with a now successful Daniel LaRusso. 