Voltron fans wear It's been a holiday. It's been the final season. We are super excited to be here. We are looking at season eight episodes 1 & 2 we have a very special guest with us tonight and team it's time to form Voltron you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now let the you know, what chat We're Not Gonna. Tell you why we picked this song. Y'all can guess the first person to get it right get the shadow. Hello part. Is it fairly straightforward? I mean, yeah, you know the band I think yeah, but usually I feel the need to explain logic but whatever they can guess they're smart. They're good people. Wow, welcome back everyone. We are the AfterBuzz TV Voltron after show. We are looking at season eight the final season you guys episodes 1 And to launch date and shadows I have with me green line Megan Salinas. Hey everybody. I am black lion Katie Cullen and we have via one the only Emperor zarkon Neil Caplan. Hi. Everybody is very happy to be here. I'm always happy to hang with the two of you know, I'm not getting over the fact that you know, like we're missing an arm and a couple of legs, but what the heck get out, it's kind of like Voltron went. Vietnam Ahead and one arm. Yeah. What's not a monster in Gravity Falls? Yeah. Yeah kind of alarm. Most important parts. I mean what good would it be if all you had was a couple of legs, I mean and then I kick her sir. Thank you Q obligatory. We don't have a leg to stand on Joe, but we are well armed. I Gone there if you had an open the door you realize that yeah. Well, you know I play evil for a reason Sabrina says hi says technically two heads and one arm. You know, what I'll take that there we go. Let's get us horror movie monster as we possibly can. Okay. Hello everyone. Welcome back. I'm so glad that we got some more zarkon in this season. Yeah. That was a nice surprise for me. Did you what was it like getting that script? um I couldn't tell you I don't remember was so long ago to be honest with you. I mean, we probably recorded it. I'm guessing like almost a year and a half ago. Yeah where the animation pipeline that makes sense. Well, welcome back. We are wait. Let's let's talk about that first. We are going to go right to The Life and Times of owner of AA prayer and loving her way across the universe talk about let's talk about launch date and and how you know it really that names. Games for two different things and you know frankly it was one of my face because I'm not in that so I never saw the script and it was one of my favorite opens, you know with Pidge watching the show and that was just so meta it was just like, oh you guys are good. That was just a lot of fun and and it totally makes sense that they would you know, if there is TV, then that they would make a show about these. These Defenders of the universe, you know, because it hasn't been long enough for them to become legendary wait for it their Defender so, you know right now so that that just that took me by surprise and I mean even even little things like like Pidge drawing the Pidge picture. I mean, I love I love whenever I see something that kind of mixes animation, you know like that that's always fun for me. You know, it's like, oh look, Looks like she's drawing with a pencil, you know, it was just it was just it was just fun and I kept especially after you know, like watching the TV then suddenly when the game, you know, when the game shows up. I'm trying to like twist my head so I can look at the box to see if that's something I should recognize you know, is that it gets hello go is it again? Yeah, I mean this they were so good about slipping in just little things that I think people are going to be able to watch and re-watch this series for a long time. I'm in pick up all these little Easter eggs. Oh, you know or or you know, you know will say we'll say matzo balls, you know, if you have a problem with Easter eggs of matzo balls to be found throughout the series. I think that's a challenge that any reboot of a show or any new Carnation of a show that's a part of a long-running franchise. I think that's always a challenge that The that the show has to address is like how do we pay homage to everyone acknowledges knowledge it or is it or is it just you know, I mean thank goodness, you know TV has caught up to comic books with this whole notion of Multiverse. So no, so now you can actually do stuff like that. So people can go ahead and say well that's the legendary Defender universe and this is the Defenders of the universe universe. S and they can both kind of exist in their own way. But yeah, just the the blending of the two and acknowledging and working it in certainly was I think a great tip of the cap and and it it wasn't like they went out of the way. Yeah to force-feed it. That's the thing that I loved so much about it is like At first I'm going what just at work. Oh well for me, I loved it. And then it becomes part of the plot with the fashion Montage that we have later well and plus montages plus plus that's the way she's able to get game. You know, she trades on her Fame, you know, which never works for me it conventions. I'm just saying it's like, you know I go over and try to get the Madara Uchiha doll. Nigga. I'm the voice nigga. That's nice. Yeah, but it's not based on me. So that's why pigeon has even more of a celebrity because it's based on Pidge. I have like, I'm the real thing. Yeah, I know they're about Beck's doing that voice. Like did they put a filter on their voice or are they just able to pull? You know, that's one of those things that because you know, I don't I don't see the show. I don't see the script so I didn't know so I'm just watching this and finding out myself. I'm like Waiting for our raincheck lunch date, which is long overdue so that but this time now I can ask that question. You know, it's like was that you know was that was that a stunt voice? You know, is that something you'd been working on for a while and said hey, let me show you what I could do is just that's that's just that's a mystery for me. I wouldn't be surprised if it was them to be honest. Like I would not be at all surprised to find out that that was one of their top. Alan oh, yeah, I can sound like every incarnation of pitch ever. That's my superhero origin story because OG page has you know, every you know, it's definitely a product of its time and I don't want to rag on any of the voice acting because it was so different dubbing anime back then it's like it was a completely different process and so like I don't want to rag on it's not it's not about the process but it's a matter of style. You know, it's like it's like, you know all of a sudden taking, you know, Being from Step Brothers and putting it in the middle of terms from terms from Lulu Terms of Endearment terms of in Congress, you know, it's like right but if you somehow edit it, so it's on the TV in the background. Okay. Now we're that's something that could be watched. But as far as you know, it's just the different. It's the different style because I think there are still there still anime that has that same kind of feel to it. I've liked my being drunk. Yeah, exactly, you know, but that's that's I mean, but then again, they're standard animation that's like that that's that's the beauty of of art. Yes, is that and storytelling is that you can mix it up that way? We're not we're not in a genre right now, even though there's hyper realistic acting in a lot of Animation. It's not everything and we still have Goofy and we still have silly you know, and so I agree so I could I don't know. That it was a product of its era as much as just that was the style in the moment. It was it was just God has done a podcast. Oh, no. Hey just keep the camera on me for an hour. I mean they will but like yeah, it's definitely part of the style and the original cast was also so small that much like you guys often double up on voices. And now we can also talk about how much fun was that Honda commercial with the original voices? What we'd have you not seen this know you and you ever heard of it. No people not like heavy internet. You know my God. I mean that's true wheat verse I'm disappointed in. You know, they did they did it. They've been doing these these Honda commercials where they bring back. Classic toys. Oh my God, and they have the original Voltron. They have the original vote because you know, it's, you know defender of the universe' Voltron and they brought back the original cast and did the commercial and he got to look this up commenting in the little thing even though everyone's like what what what have you had failed me we want ours mouth. I'm calling you held on I saw that on my Instagram feed and I screamed and you didn't share. With us, hold on so their wedding you or their wedding me you wait, so they're wanting me like it doesn't exist or what are you for not seeing it. They're doing the same thing. We are are you kidding? Somebody go to the internet right now and take a look at this in at least confirm that I didn't have a seizure in Imagine This a few people in Chad saying, oh I've seen this one lotor's mouth said that they saw it on on their Instagram feed and just stared at By the Light by the way horse mouth. Why didn't you send? That by the way, shout out to AJ because one of the funniest things that he said all weekend long or anybody said all weekend long was, you know, somebody asked about have you seen these accounts which are dedicated to characters and of course, you know, there's no zarkon whatever but but AJ said, yes, and I'd like to shout out to all of my body parts taken out of context. That's kind of weird actually taken in context. That's kind of Weird everyone who says they found it put it in the hashtag, please and I can't believe I forgot to do this at the top of the show. We have the live chat. Obviously, we have the hashtag TV Voltron and we're only talking about the first two episodes because I guess there are people in chat who have only seen the first two episodes so far. Oh my God how yeah, I'm surprised to talk about the Star Trek Voyager Crossover at the end of the season. Yeah. We're waiting for that. Yes you into mucho. Yeah. So for those of you who have links you can't put links in the YouTube chat, unless you are the moderator throw him in the hashtag and we can all have it because the hash tag is forever, but the chat goes away. I'm also really disappointed that nobody told me I'm so sad. I know that when they did the Ninja Turtles they did the original Ninja Turtles as well. So cool. How have I not done Transformers? Like rights. It's a common Universal just being obstinate and I suppose maybe legit and also they have a Paramount. Maybe I don't think you're I don't know. I think you're just borrowing for the theme park. Yeah, you know just kind of like Universal doesn't own Harry Potter, but if you want to go to Harry Potter land you go to Universal. This is Harold Paramount's a different Studio. Not not under the NBC Universal. Ella as far as I know. Yeah, welcome to EB T v-- Voltron where we discuss copyrighted theme parks. I'm copyright podcast. Yes. Oh my God. I do love that. They integrated this. I do love honks, like for sentenced 10-second for sentence 10 second review about the similarities and differences and how it's it's fun. It's really different and they did this thing really differently, but it's still fun and I'm like you are the best Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We do things differently. We can still enjoy them and speaking of hunk wasn't it? Nice and launch date to see some family. Here's all our family recipes. And here's the lemon cake like, oh, yeah. I'm so glad you were able to rescue your family and everyone was okay that could have been really bad that was such a like emotionally devastating aspect of the last season was just seeing honking this very day. Ark trying place and yeah to to bring it back around and you know, it all turned out. Okay, that's well because he had a very very tough Australian Commando there to lead the raid and help out. That mysterious man. I got it will talk about you episode too long. Yup. Sorry people ask this weekend about our favorite other characters, you know, and so like a came up and we were two people were talking about. You know, what have what have you learned? What did you learn from your characters? How did you grow and it's like that comes over to me is like, what did I learn from putting somebody who just totally evil, you know, and I went of course I said something horrible, you know, so Friends and Influence know. No, I said it was a Biblical lesson. No slaying of the firstborn and that's a joke. It's a joke people. It's a joke, I'm kidding. And so and so because I'm with two of the most positive wonderful people in the world Kimberly Brooks and Josh Keaton who are like always be positive because I mean, there's so many great things to learn from a Laura and Shiro about overcoming adversity and and sticking to Two to your beliefs and and those are valuable lessons and thank goodness that we had such strong characters to give us those lessons. And so I just go. So what I really learned was from Lika always remain positive. Erin and Chad says don't do quintessence kids exactly three drugs. Don't be a zombie don't listen to peer pressure, especially when you know, it's wrong, you know, if I had my druthers I would say, you know on occasion some good music has been written under certain influences, but nothing good has happened from dabbling and quintessence people. Please just say no no good can come from it. It I need that zarkon PSA and then having it end and like that little star. Yeah, exactly the black lion that from more, you know, and that problem would be gone forever. Absolutely. It always gets nice and dark when I come in here, doesn't it? It's nice and dark regardless of who's in here because I'm here I take it there. Okay. That's why breaking Alexis is a Trope in this show. We love you Alexis. We love you. We miss you. You're probably not watching right now because that's why about the let's talk about the the mall the another Mall trip another this time actual shopping because in space Mall people don't really shop. Yeah, they just get a knife fights and run from security and make food and get free cows. Find video game systems that they don't have the right adapters for now. Will that keep? Well that game work on that system do we ever find that out doesn't matter. They don't have the game anymore. I would hope that they had the system for it. I mean it was someone I have not kids pitch could rig something. Oh, absolutely Pidge and razavi. One of them had it towed. Razavi is my new favorite. Like I liked her last season and this season, it's just like can she be in every episode she is my queen I love her so much spin-offs people resolve e and light leif's daughter. Yeah II no idea if I'm pronouncing that right, but both of them added to this mix because Rimmel is always so much fun to I'm Ellen hunk are the best wingman in this episode. Yeah not have happened if it weren't for Rimmel and hunk working together. Well romance is stirred is by having You know Carrie Fisher push from one side and whoever Tom Hanks had on his side and I don't remember. I have no idea what we're talking about right now. We know that's how you know is that Sleepless in Seattle one minute. I've never seen it from beginning to end. Oh, no, I'm squeezing it for Lending at the airport to the end. I'm sure we have something else. Used to be on a shirt as adds the add zarkon against drug-dealing quintet nosy aqd that's harder to be exact. Is that because this height that doesn't sound like a word in goal rather like a collar a general. I think that's going to be the next week should be gackt. I guess Goron's against quintessence couldn't couldn't quintessence distribution contestants abuse contestants abuse that yeah do it. In the Dare font. Yeah car right there. I've already made QA. There you go. I've already made the repet. Sorry shirt. I need to put this one on. Well, there's this weekend was a whole lot of Rapid a can Amaze. Oh, yeah. I see the pictures looked amazing. We had a good time. You know, you get you get enough of us together and it's like, oh my gosh Run free enough of you guys is like to I think no I think is gonna be a Triad or better. You know. Yeah, that's true. You have to outweigh the good decisions with the bad decisions. Thank you because of its to then it's like you get to loggerheads and just you know kind of stay but we have the commercial in the hashtag. Yeah for people to watch it. As soon as the show's over of commercials. We do have this great little shopping and fashion montage and I love these ridiculous outfits that alert our winds up in and that one of them is Rog outfit that made me really happy. It's fun. I loved the trommel's was basically. Ooh, this looks shiny wear it because there but for the grace of God go I wonder where she had a Croc on one foot that that particular outfit made me just just the one Croc made me really angry. The rest of the outfit was a door. What's that Rimmel? Yeah. Yeah. There you go. There were probably only one Croc available the That they found a matching good condition outfit and jewelry at all after the mostly apocalypse is amazing. Well, but I mean doesn't that make sense to wear something sparkly when you can finally the sun's finally out and you can finally enjoy life again. I think it's more to the point that it wasn't completely wrecked. Well, there's that someone in chat says, what are those like? Okay. Yep. We're never gonna let that Meme die. Yeah. Yeah, but no there's just sacrificing the video game so that a Laura could have this outfit was really sweet. It was both heartbreaking and sweet because on the one hand it was both razavi and Pidge sacrifice. Yeah for Laura and Lance and I'm going to put this in terrible terrible context for a lot of you Kingdom Hearts 3 drops in a couple of weeks. Imagine looking forward to that for ten years and never Getting to play it having it in your hands and knowing that you will never have the time to play it. That's what just played out here. There you go. I have human eyes that for you and made myself very sad on an unrelated note. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm going to slightly disagree because I think you know on a slightly serious note when you survived an apocalypse when you've survived, you know, almost being destroyed your planet. Yourself your family or friends whatever and you've got the opportunity to make a friend happy, you know as opposed to play a game. I mean, I can actually see that Pidge making that selfless maneuver and being totally okay with it, you know, so yeah, maybe it's Kingdom Hearts 3, but imagine that you spent the last of the ten intervening years in solitary confinement, you know, so then maybe you sit there and go. Oh, I was hoping to play the game. Mm, but I'm just glad to be outside and seeing the sunshine again. So if that's the cost all right, or you know you get back and you see or your little brother or little sister and it's a chance to make them happy so that to me was another one of those very Pidge like selfless Maneuvers where it's like I said, So if I give this up, it'll make you happy. Okay, that's just that's another one of those reasons. We adore Pidge there wasn't having a whole lot of hesitation. It looks like here you go. Yep. Yep, and if you and if you consider how freaking happy they were when they saw it as like, oh my God, then then you really come to understand and value. You know, what uh, wait Paige doing that. Is it really that different from what Lance said to her? No, wait. Yeah, it's just it's showing how you care through actions to even even the even the fact that pitch was out there shopping with them at all as Colleen points out, you know pitch doesn't like shit could have been just getting grounded anymore. There's obvious. My queen Colleen is my hero. Oh my God, she's amazing. Why is that because she sitting Able human being and she I think keeps that family together. Okay, like she is the one that makes sure that all of the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed and you can kind of see this like, you've got the guys in the family who their the sciency types they went off into space and they had to learn to be rough and tumble and then you have also got themselves into a precarious situations from which they needed to be rescued and you have the women who were like, all right cracks Knuckles cracks. Neck, let's go and then things get done. That's the Crux of it as you see where we're pigs. Got it. Oh, yeah, but but certainly you know, and she when she's yelling at Pidge but I don't care that you save them. You didn't have my permission. I wrote that entire quote down while we were watching it and it's like a three-line quote and I wish my Google Drive would load so I could read it off because like you were on the live chat too long. I thought you didn't need me anymore. Although we are gonna have to cover the rest of the episode fairly quickly because Can't see the timer. Can you help me with that? But I know that we are going to start running out of time. No, no and we haven't even talked about there we go. She's grounded. She's grounded because apparently my daughter thinks that running away from home and gallivanting off into space without her mother's permission is an acceptable activity for a 15 year old and then pidgeon's back. You know that I hello I saved dad and math. That doesn't count for anything. Yeah, exactly. And she basically says you're right. It doesn't count. I love the terrifying double voices that we wind up with for both of them. It's just it's a thing of Wonder and glory and I absolutely adore it. The whole family is the best family goals. So I guess we should like speed through the rest. All right, I'll shut up and let you talk about the rest of you know, talk about the rest of the episode with us. All I do is interrupt inside track. It's okay if it's not fun. Special blast that we we have a moment with Keith and Lance having a conversation and watching the sunset Atop The Black Lion and I think both times I sat there and yelled. When did you get to be such a good leader? Because he did it's it's you see Keith from the beginning of the series and then you see how far we've come and for me it's encapsulated in this moment with this conversation with Lance and the same with Lance we've gone from lover. Boy tries way too hard at everything creates a rivalry in his head Lance to my God. He's in the adults. They're both adults what happened and it's been beautiful character development on both their parts notice the difference in Jeremy's voice. Did you did you notice how land says grown up from season one to season 8 it's a lot less bravado. Oh, yes. The tone is much more in control. You know, it was it was one of those subtle things, you know, it's kind of like the exact opposite of what I was doing was zarkon, you know, the further you get into the series, you know, the first season is very much under control and everything's right there and then toward the end. It's a lot more emotional and everything's got to be done now. And it's a lot more. You know, he's he the cracks are starting to happen. Whereas with Lance the cracks have been filled in you know, and and also when you add on top of not only his successes with with, you know team Voltron, but you know, the, you know being reunited with his family having having is his siblings tease him and him Not even noticing not even really caring, you know, because it's gotten so much ribbing from yeah, welcome everyone else and he survived so much. You know that there's that there's that there's this maturity. I think if you go back into season one and kind of take a look and think of Lance going on a date with this older woman, you know. Well, she's like 10,000 Now we get to this point. You're like, yeah and Anna makes NM and it makes a lot more sense and it and it's and it's workable. It's doable. It's possible because of who he has grown into you know, I mean, they all they all had such incredible Arc some of which were a little bit more subtle in moments than others, you know, which again I think goes back to a re-watch, you know, as you can go ahead and see the All changes in hunk from 1 to 8. You know, I think I think honks development is a lot more subtle if you really is but and of course, he's my favorite. So I paid a little bit more attention to the to the round fellow who enjoys the food. We are not in any capacity bias towards our favorites. I say as someone who named this all after and insisted that everyone dressed a color like yeah, we're not There is not but this and this turns into this wonderful date. He brings her home to meet the family. We get these really nice conversations and just you know stories from when their kids and Lance must really like you he's never brought a girl home before the whole ladies man thing is just bravado. But under that he's a really good guy and it's like yes, and we got to see all that develop over these past few seasons well and just the artwork when they're walking in the park and my God, yes. The wildlife gets restored back to life. It's just a beautiful. It's just a beautifully composed moment and then bees are just showing up and taking the picture like following them. Are you date crashing? These are what the hell? I mean, my knee-jerk reaction was never say I love you on a first date. Don't do that. Don't pull a How I Met Your Mother but but that being said they've they fought alongside each. All right, I mean the big yeah, it's it's one of those. One of those things it is a first date but it's not. Yeah, you know and that's that's actually one of the reasons why I think the title launch date works really well because it wasn't their first date. It was their launch date. It was it was where they where they went somewhere else. You know, I mean if you think about what most First Dates should be like we're going to leave me. My social life alone, but I know yeah, right and they've been doing that. So that part of the first date. I mean how many how many First Dates do you really bring someone home to bring in to meet your family? However, when you spend years with somebody that's a different story and yeah, there are millions of stories of friendship. Which turns out I swear. Yeah, you know and so okay. We're shifting somewhere else. I mean quite frankly. If it wasn't a date Lance probably still would have brought her to meet his family. Yeah, you know because she's been such an important part of his life. I mean, she's one of the two main influences that has changed his life so much that has accelerated his maturity his his growth his development as as as a person as a man as a hero as a member of society, you know, it's basically all in mostly influenced from a Laura and Voltron and then of course from The other members of Voltron but the two main factors to me or Voltron and Alaura. Yeah, and he's become the right arm of Ultron. He has settled very well into that role and that's not something he would have been at all prepared for at the beginning of the series. But at this point after this development after this many years in space. Yeah, absolutely. So just we did goodbye Lance she teaches by example all the time and yeah after spending so so much time together, there's no way that wouldn't rub off on him or affect him in any way and we can't move forward without talking about Kranz road. I was gonna say speaking of moving forward. We have a lot to talk about but the mother most interesting man in the Galaxy not only the gorgeous man, but the most interesting man in the Galaxy, where did he get that portrait of him in Alpha, where did that come from? I just love how the voice changed it was. Oh you're talking about the the changes. delivery the way he's delivered those lines was just so spot on well because he was playing all the different levels of qurans concern and devotion not only to a local to a Laura but also doll for you know, I mean, he's got a dedication to the family to do things the right way and regardless of his own personal admiration for any one of the team members, you know, he's you know, he's been all taking a lot longer than he's been a member of of Team Voltron and certainly he's served that household for longer than he's been a member and so that's his Natural Instinct as I don't care how much I like you approve of you. This is the way it's this way. It's done young man. You have you have to you have to make it through the job application process. Where are your notarized references righto college applications? Oh God. Yeah, we do need to get the ball rolling again. I can't see the timer on your screen that tells us where to how to breathe is blank right now. So we're just running blind blind. It's gonna be great. Yeah what we have to touch on Luca before we move on to this next episode. We have to touch on this altay and that I thought was a battery for the suit and I guess is an actual pilot and she is not in any capacity happy to be here. No, yeah. Yeah, the fact that when when we actually get a scene with her she immediately calls Rimmel a traitor and then as she you see the levels of her fanaticism very very quickly. And so like seeing that it's very unsettling and then seeing how it escalates to the point where apparently owner of adjust has like a kill switch that she can flip when somebody starts getting a little too chatty. It's like the cyanide tooth but someone else crunches it for you. She's it. It's one of the darker like for such a liar belko experiment. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my now that we just blown out the audio levels. Sorry, but yeah. All right. I am just too much. I'm a pop culture Storehouse. Sorry, but yeah, there's a little blank hearted fun. Sweet episode You Gotta Throw a little bit of darkness in their don't remind everybody of the stakes. Well, yeah, it's like how it's like I was saying about the over the weekend about the bottle episodes. There are none really because there's always something which is going to tie you back into the greater tail, and that's certainly that moment that we can't just this can't just be about this date and it can't just be about we're about to leave Earth and go on this, you know, and this important Mission, you know, we also need to be reminded that there is a dark force out there. That's Going to be cranking out some people. Yep. 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So yeah, leave your reviews leave your comment subscribe all of those wonderful things. Yes. That is how you keep the show going. Let's let's talk about Eat Pray Love. Let's talk about the aptly named Shadows Shadows with as much time as we have because this episode is nothing but time honestly, we got a whole bunch of the varied. Our back past and we got a whole bunch of the recent past y'all. I really liked how the episode played around with time. It would it would go back to when she was her nerva and then it would jump ahead to when she's you know, dismantling the gallery Empire. It would go back and forth. It was really cool. Seeing that initial happy optimism of when they're expecting parents and then contrasting that with the Empire's in you know in rubble basically and then you know going back to when they first awoke after they both died and like that was that was a rough that was rough. But at the same time you all of the pieces fall into place and you know exactly why these people have treated each other the way they have your much better ideas your and I love the I love the changes that we saw between the two because Owner of a who is this incredibly driven woman to her own detriment and death because completely loses her memory is completely loses herself. Whereas R Khan who has shown to be a Kinder ruler almost takes that on takes on that driven D personified it's terrifying and I love it. And I love you can see well, I mean if you think about when they're talking about naming the child and she talks about ask Scholar and he talks about a benevolent conqueror. Mmm. Okay, he's not talking about a benevolent ruler. He's talking about somebody who conquered but was still kind of nice about conquering territory that good to you. And I think some of that was was was still there, you know with with with zarkon. He just didn't have time for the other stuff. You know, it was just one of these You do what I tell you to do everything we good. Everything be fine. We'll keep the water flowing, you know well and we also saw that it went from two very excited prospective parents to someone who was traumatized by childbirth and someone who wants nothing to do with neither one of neither one of them wanted him, you know, and when he arrived because they had both been changed so drastically, you know, we never even really got a reason he just said take Take him away take him away. I don't want to see him. I don't want to see him. I don't want to deal with him, you know is is is is that because somewhere inside zarkon it created too much, you know subconscious pain because it was a link to something that was no longer there. Was it a matter of this is something I don't have time for because I'm driven and this is all that matters is running this Empire. You don't know we just know he wanted nothing to do with this situation it Possible that that part of him died and did not come back. Do you think it was a conscious decision that he made when he realized how nerva didn't remember who he was? No, because I think as he asked don't you remember your Emperor? He didn't say don't you remember your husband? That's true. Don't you? Remember me? He said don't remember Emperor, you know, by the way internet you told me that I was in Red Dead Redemption to and I'm really happy that you did but nobody told me I had a scene with myself in this episode. I mean I did I did I did record it, you know, but I guess I forgot in the intervening time and I'm listening on. I don't hear myself that often but I'm thinking that sounds like me. Yeah, I was the guy who said this. Hey hog, are you? Okay? All right. I like that, you know, so I'm both ends of that name, I guess so. Seen twice that it completely slipped by me. Well, I think the thing that got me is like all the other stuff that I've done, you know, I do something to adjust my voice and that was that was that was just me reap nice and normal and that's what and that's why I'm going to people don't hear my regular voice enough where they were they were they can't even recognize that I mean they say hi. I hear Madara Uchiha in that right here or right here Dominus call. I hear all of the other things. Things you've ever played. What are you sound like a person? Yeah. Well confusing. Yeah, but was you know, even though he was going through rough time wasn't wasn't little lotor adorable. He was he's a cat person. I can appreciate that which I think was probably the main reason that zarkon didn't like him. Ha ha ha zarkon's of zarkon's a dog guy. Pretty sure I'm pretty sure my little lion was before. Okay. Okay, like all cats. So dying turns you into a dog person. I don't think it was a diner they give me well, I'm not gonna blame quintessence for me for me. Loving Buster. Okay, so let's not go there good good boy. Let's not let's not dwell therein. double I'm being a nerd but yeah, I mean, we certainly saw that we certainly saw that and that there was there was a not so much about the cats but the affection for a pet for a for a quote-unquote lesser being shall we say kind of really telling too is like they didn't make a big deal about it in the episode itself, but uh nerva killed that cat she wants it from if you put it on the thing she gets flashes of where's where lotor Is currently at checking his social media in the void and then we cut to a wider shot and that cat is gone as is the flame from the crawls. They're all like, oh goodness. That is that that cat live for ten thousand years. And then that's a bummer you'll improve how much and then it ran away and continue to live a happy life and found a new forever. Sure that cats live in somewhere and an asteroid field just gone. So people were hoarding. That was a trip. I'm much better off on this rock out in the middle of nowhere somewhere somewhere in my fanfic. That's the cat who was actually in the movie Cat from outer space back in the 70s. Yeah, Dean Jones. I did want to point out for bitty lotor of the the scene. With naming the cat starts with zarkon talking down to him and you may be the prince but I'm your Emperor and you'll do what I say and then he turns around and uses that exact line on Earth are like, oh, yeah. I know. He's still learning. It's not great lessons, but he's learning. I think it's good lessons. She's not putting the right way. You know, it's like saying look you may be the branch manager, but I'm the district manager. No, it's like fair enough. Got it. Well what I was really surprised by with all of these flashback sequences where this sadly, you know family that's together, you know, without really fully knowing that there are family for some people but like what I was really surprised by was that lotor was telling 100% the truth when he talked about that planet that got destroyed. I was kind of expecting that we get some reveal about how he Was hiding a little bit more nefarious intent or that he wasn't telling the full story when he related to a Laura but not that's exactly what happened. And it's just as tragic as it sounds and I love that. They like we're going to keep you alive long enough for you to see this and then we're going to Exile you. It's like one of those things where you going to destroy the entire Village, but you leave one child, like know that child is gonna come back and exact Revenge. Why would you okay? That's just zarkon's ways. Thank you. Let go of the game of own spoilers, please everything though. Okay good point but like that's just zarkon's way of saying you're grounded go to your room, right? Pretty much. I mean, it's like look your Colony would have been fine. If you just would have done what you were told to do. And now I'm going to show you the price of your insolence. No, I mean, but but realistically, you know most You know most people who are leading who are in charge of a team, they'll accept punishment stored themselves and not necessarily learn or grow. But if you punish the team, you know, it's not it's like going, you know do it do it do what you want to me, but leave the girl alone, you know, the old line which of course was changed to do whatever you want to the girl, but leave me alone as a comedian back in the 70s. So stop with your complaining. But but seriously, that's that's you can't you he couldn't teach lotor that lesson and I frankly think that it was a lesson that was intended to make him a better Emperor, you know to mold him or not necessarily better but better and zarkon's eyes, you know, this is how we do things better. Yeah, right, you know, so it's like you disobeyed me you went your own direction if I continue to let Do this, you know before I know there's going to be an uprising because you're going to you're going to you're going to go from a planet to a solar system to a Galaxy and then I'm going to have to really deal with you, you know, and I don't want to do that. So I'm going to make these people who you care about pay the price for your disrespect for you're breaking the rules and you know, I mean that's That's that's when you want to get your point across to somebody leads a team. That's how you do it. And you know, it's the old it's the old if we don't have somebody we don't have somebody admit their guilt. Everybody's doing push-ups. Yeah. Everyone is Spartacus, right? I feel like it regardless that conversation probably would have gone better. If lotor hadn't pushed the mom button like that went from a check in on the status of this planet to a full-on family argument and that's when it gets He didn't because you're not going through the proper chain of command you're not doing things the right way, you are trying to you know, you're trying to short-circuit the situation by bringing somebody else in who you think is going to make me change my mind and let me show you how much I'm not going to change my mind. Let me show you not I mean and yeah, I agree with you that maybe he would have gone fanos God. I'm just gonna kill one out of every two. But then he had to go and do and and and challenge even further and it's like I've got a quash this now before this spark becomes a flame. yeah, I know and you know, it's it it's harsh and we certainly is as fans and his people who like to see the right thing happen that hurts but if you did, but if you divorce but if you divorce yourself from the emotion of it and just You understand why he did it you completely understand why he did it and it's not zarkon's fault. It's lotor. What about those people, you know heat of heat of at least stayed a little closer to what he was supposed to. Do, you know, it's like, you know, try taking an inch before you take Mile, well, that's why like when you rule through fear, it's so fragile. Once that illusion, you know or in some cases in some cases illusion of power, you know is once that's challenge. Well, it's nothing. Yes technically all power is an illusion. That's true. Yeah, you know, I mean if you if you're that look there's stories of the the indomitable Spirit of mankind and in someone being in, you know, I mean Nelson Mandela for Crying out loud. There you go. Nelson. Mandela didn't break, even though he had the entire, you know nation of South Africa against him and he was in solitary confinement for so long that power never touched him it put him somewhere physically, but he never bought into it. And so it never broken all power is an illusion, you know, except for just the down. Physical blowing up the Death Star was just an illusion to the people and alderon all these include Cruisers all in losery. But yet at a certain point did that get them to give up the plans? Did they turn around and go oops? I better go ahead and give you what you want. Now that you blew up a planet. So at a certain point because they're trying to trying to make a point and that point was not made that point was not taken into account. So even then even then the the power is Just an Illusion, you know, there's the physical aspects and then there were human Spirit rises above it and says, you know, I will not be denied and you can keep you Keep punching me and you can keep punching my friends, but we're going to keep moving forward and even that illusion of that power eventually fell to the scrappy Rebellion. Absolutely the scrappy Rebellion the power of Hope the power of a team, you know, the power of positivity of wanting something better for others rather than just, ourselves and this is why the power of friendship is such a well-known Trope and kind of what the show runs on absolutely absolutely because even even in the darkest moments they turn to each other and that's that's what happened in the season 1 when they finally were able to form Voltron is they turned toward each other, you know, and that's any think this was just kind of another way of Of setting that up of saying, you know, it's always darkest before the dawn, you know, or as I like to say, sometimes it's always darkest before it gets darker the light at the end. I feel like you've summed up this season is summing up we are officially at a time. Okay mostly now. You got just a little bit more like honor of a here. I'm going to take this colony of all Tans and I'm going to sway them very easily to my side because my son is still alive. What's for our audio listeners. There were scare quotes around that he's alive. He's shredding your Schrodinger's Emperor. Okay trout or there you go. He's only dead. Open up the box and confirm that he's dead. I mean we can't go into spoiler territory spawn Schrodinger's cat. Yeah. Get rid of the cat. Yeah, so deep with the cat. Yeah, we have a centrally turn this entire colony of all Tans against Voltron be like, yeah, we picked them up. Well, what about the other colony Voltron got them? They're not super dead because I don't know their location or anything what you will about her nerva, but she dots her eyes and Crosses her teeth. She can yes, and The best of them took them all to oriya because I guess all of them were worthy and the guardian had nothing to say while she was melting down statues and making it an industrial Wasteland and just like breaking Eldorado what one of the joys of season eight for me was really getting to enjoy Creed. Just letting it rip a little bit. Oh, yeah. Some good stuff. And as you folks will see when you get to the future episodes. There's like there's some good stuff this season. It's pretty wild but yeah, we have desecrated or around as it were made some war machines and get the most faithful Among Us put a kill switch in her head and then send her up to go get full trod. Like Mike's she's got a cult of personality going. Mmm-hmm. I mean lotor started it and Just picked it up and sprinted well and like it's just so cool. Because in a mat in a very short amount of time she knocks out all of their remaining large players in the Gullah Empire. She wipes them out. And then yeah takes this Colony for herself. So she's not messing around. She basically just blows It Up From the Inside Out. Hey, here's your leadership choosing thing that's been going on for thousands and thousands of years. Um, I've killed her archivist and destroyed. All of your everything by yikes. Because we're supposed to be wrapping up conversation somewhere where it's going to get going again. Yeah on our way is someone to be reckoned with and we have a nice little episode about getting things going again and being hopeful in the we have an episode about here's what you missed on Glee awful awful things, you know, you know every now and then a special To this episode. It kind of makes you it can make you think or make you wonder whether whether that was her sort of initial hope when she was looking into the quintessence, you know was domination world domination shorthand, right Universal domination and would this lead with this lead to you know, hey, I mean some people believe that peace is achieved by everybody just going home and some people believe that peace is achieved by having a very powerful. Powerful person in charge and telling everybody what to do. It's you know, and and was I mean was there the devil on her shoulder steering her in that direction? It's entirely possible that if things had not gone down the way they did. Huh nervo would have been like the head of an ALT a in Empire like we had in that one multiverses. We saw that a you. Yeah my mouth messed up so it yeah, huh nervous could have been that day. Tater yeah grits like peace through Force. Well, we're gonna have some super fun stuff to talk about in the coming weeks. But in the meantime that is all the time we have and more how does that always happen when I show up it happens for every episode of this show. Oh, thanks ever so much fun talking with all the wonderful people who join us speaking of work in the people find you. Well after some of the things that have happened this weekend, I don't know if I want to be found fair enough. No, hopefully coming to a convention near you soon. Knee cap on Twitter kneecap pics on Instagram and Neil Caplan voice actor on Facebook. And do you have any upcoming projects that I'm allowed to talk about? Yeah, not a single one. So follow the social medias and we'll find out later. All right, you have 10 Sending my DNA is NDA my God. I need that on the shirt. That's great. Well, thanks again for coming in and it's been it's always a blast to thanks for the invitation. I was wondering what the room looked like from this side. Welcome to the table kind of creepy those moving Magan or hypnotic. All right Megan. 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 Megan Salinas and Katie Cullen with special guest Neil Kaplan break down Voltron Legendary Defender Season 8 episodes 1 and 2 "Launch Date" and "Shadows" in which The Paladins spend one last night on Earth in preparation for the launch of the Atlas; Lance works up the courage to ask Allura an important question; and Flashbacks shine a light on Honerva's past with Lotor and Zarkon, revealing the motivation for her recent actions. The Voltron After Show: Join the robotic lions in this intergalactic war against the Galra Empire by listening to the various recaps, reviews and in-depth analysis and discussion on each episode of the series. Not only will we break down the episodes though, we’ll also deliver all the latest news surrounding the show and have cast and crew join us. It’s the VOLTRON LEGENDARY DEFENDER AFTER SHOW! Show Summary: Voltron: Legendary Defender is an animated web television series produced by American companies DreamWorks Animation and World Events Productions and animated by South Korean Studio Mir. It is a reboot of both the Beast King GoLion anime series and the Voltron franchise, and its animation is a mix of anime-influenced traditional animation for characters and background and CGI for Voltron action sequences. Voltron: Legendary Defender is set in a science fiction universe where planetary energy called "quintessence" can be used to power vehicles and magic. The series follows the adventures of the Paladins of Voltron who must learn to work together to form the giant robot Voltron and use it to defeat the evil Galra Empire. 