Well, hello podcast listeners Kimmy here Welcome to our first official episode. If you've traveled from the future and stumbled Upon Our show Welcome before we get into the murder and swoops for the sake of transparency Cheyenne and I wanted to address a few of our Growing Pains due to some equipment quality issues. The sound in this episode is going to be a bit pitchy and an even sorry about it since recording we've both updated our equipment. So this is the only time will be torturing you in this manner. We also realized during editing.Our first time nerves got the better of us and realize how evident it is in the dialogue both Cheyenne and I are very excited to be embarking on this project with you and greatly appreciate your listenership. If this is your first listen, we apologize for the Jitters, but that's what you get for listening to too anxious bitches talk about murder and mystery. Thank you for the continued support and without further Ado. Here's the episode. You're listening to you had to be there a dark comedy podcast about death dying and what comes next our show features dark and disturbing content and explicit language is a guarantee for full list of content warnings, including triggers for survivors and handy minute markers for skipping the ugly Parts pause here and check the episode description before jumping in if you have to skip this week's discussion. We totally understand but if you're cold and Hollow like us it's time for the shit show. Welcome to episode one of you had to be there a dark comedy podcast about death dying and what comes next now that Kimmy and I have spent the last 10 minutes of Our Lives arguing about how to start the episode where starred in the episode. It has been five minutes and 12 seconds. Thank you very much. Well any span of time in which I have to talk to you is doubled in experience that is hateful and fair God. I feel like I should just go to bed. 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So the people that we referred to in our first official shoutouts and that we thought we were being totally complimentary, but evidently there was an immediate complaint So we referred to Kathy and Tammy as are you know, number one cheerleaders and in our group chat with Kathy and Tammy Tammy was very complimentary the whole time. She was robbed at the whole thing and like the only feedback that can be dropped in like literally Tammy goes on for like 14 messages and Kathy to jumps in and she goes quote cool that our names are out, but I totally demand an official retraction of the use of that high-pitched mimic of us encouraging your shit neither. And I would have set myself on fire before becoming an actual cheerleaders and quote Kathy is a 100% gonna stop supporting us. I don't know where she gets this idea that we'd spoken high-pitched voices when we mimicked her. I've never done that. I I mean that's I'm literally just that's her voice. Right? It totally is one under percent and fifty percent of our listeners just went away. Away, and then right and by 50% I mean Kathy has a Sammy still here. Sorry about it. Yeah, sorry about it. Hashtag. Sorry about it. No, but really Kathy, we love you. We don't we do. This is all in. Jest. If I could do an actual impression of your adorable accent. I would also she's probably mad because I just called her accent adorable. So I'm just fucking up across the board. She hates you now graduation would lo siento about it. Also big shout out to my awesome boyfriend Sam for listening after I harassed him a bunch to finally listen and he was like, oh my God, it sounds like it. I love it. Yeah supportive boyfriend. Yeah, they're cool people. They're the best. Yeah, they buy us headphones that don't work and they listen to our podcast recordings unless they can't get to them because they're living their own lives evidently, but I'm ready to go. I have my Starbucks here, even though a doctor told me this week not to drink caffeine anymore. I went a day and a half without caffeine and then I fucking buckled that's really intense. It was the worst. So now I'm drinking a pumpkin cream cold brew from Starbucks. I was about to Super judge you and then I remembered that I generally drink two bangs a day. So what you're saying is when people ask me what my friend Kimmy is like I should say she Bay. She Bangs, I'm just I hate you so much. All right. So let's talk about this thing that you've been researching all day because you slept all week. I am going to tell you a story that with which you are as intimately familiar as I because we both lived within miles of it's happening in real time. I'm going to tell you the story of Mark goudeau a aka the Baseline rapist. I remember when that was happening. I know my God. Okay. Go ahead. This is the story of Mark Gordo aka the Baseline rapist aka the Baseline killer. So I guess it depends on what he was up to that day. Duh. This story takes place between September of 2005 and June of 2006 in Phoenix, Arizona, which is where I currently sit not me. No, not you just me because I'm cool, right? Um, Sources, I used primarily were murder pedia Wikipedia murder pedia took a lot of its information from Wikipedia. So they kind of moved interchangeably and I took some information from an article from usatoday.com. So we'll put those sources up in the show notes and whatever. So just a little bit of introduction. The Baseline killer / Baseline rapist was surprise surprise a killer and a rapist who terrorized Phoenix Arizona and parts of Tempe for 13 months back in 2005. And 2006 with a string of sexual assaults rapes robberies and murders mayor date was easily the biggest news story of the time. Probably only getting beat out a couple years later when Jodi Arias busted the door in and said Nene now look, okay. I very distinctly recall. Like there was also the the shooter the Phoenix shooter that was going around at the same time and also the Walmart. The Walmarts honest, yes the womb arsonist. Yes. I mention him. Oh, the Baseline killer was so named because his initial pattern of criminal activity was confined to Baseline Road in South Phoenix, though. He did eventually move north as his spree continued Baseline Road isn't particularly special or significant other than its association with the Baseline Killers crime spree and it's only real notoriety to this day. Is this direct association with marketers Infamous tirade. I'm not sure. I have been Rampage not tired. I don't know. What I was fucking talking about. Is that is that still a thing that's talked about out there. I mean, it kind of gets brought up fleetingly mostly as like a joking reference to things that have happened in Phoenix, Arizona, but for the most part, I think that once he was captured in the hype died down. Oh spoiler alert. He got captured once all of that died down. I think that people either got bored with it. Like I jokingly said before Jodi Arias really just like she swept in and ruined it because if there's anything more interesting than a man doing man crimes, it's a woman who kills a man man, Jodi Arias was like nana nana. Nana, I need attention and she spoiled it. So now I feel like when you say Jodi Arias to people they're like, oh that bitch who killed that guy in Arizona, but if you say the Baseline rapist, they're like what the His Baseline. Well, I mean to be fair. I was trying to tell people about that when I moved to Tennessee and they were like what the fuck are you talking about? Exactly. So, I mean really I'm pretty certain the popularity of the Baseline rapist and the shooter and the Walmarts honest were pretty obscure. Yes. Thank you. So Baseline Road is just a stretch of road running east to west through southern Phoenix about 43 miles in length and was originally named because it runs along the length of the primary base. And for Arizona as given under the public land survey system. No one knew that before Godot showed up and I only know what now because I looked it up on Wikipedia for funsies. And now I know that and now all of you know that the more you know 3D so Baseline was never a road you were thrilled to hear that you had to travel to just because there really isn't anything on it until you get out to what is it like Arizona Mills or something and even then the street names. Change weirdly. Once you're around them all like turn into like the name of the mall instead of the actual fucking street name, but once Mark Godot got a hold of it. It just solidified people's avoidance of the area. So like literally to this day if you tell me that something is on Baseline. I'm like, yeah, I'm a skip that not a pest. Yeah. No, thanks. So it's just it's just in Phoenix if you say something is down on Baseline. First of all, it's like, oh God, I have to go to South Phoenix. Why? Why are you making me do that with my life? It's a Shitty part of town. Sorry about it. I hope I'm not offending anybody in Phoenix. But if you're offended by the assertion that Baseline isn't a cool road then I don't I don't know why you're so up in arms. It's just a shitty part of town that people just aren't excited to go to anyway, not not in like a oh, no, that's so scary kind of way. But in like, you know, that's just thats that shit Road like nobody fucking nobody goes down there. There's nothing cool on Baseline. Do you tell people you're going to Mill Avenue? They're like, oh where you going, but if you say you're going to Baseline they're Like why do you have to get like an ankle monitor put on what's going on? So quick fact for another episode that Kimmy already alluded to we know now that Marcado was active between September 2005 in June of 2006. But during the same time frame between August of 2005 and June of 2006 a second criminal spree was being committed by someone the media referred to as simply the serial shooter and I remember there was a lot of confusion between the two even though the news was was separating them. Distinctly but people talked about them like they could be or definitely were the same person. Yeah, I remember I remember everybody using the names too. Fuckin hell shit interchangeably. Thank you. God words are hard today. Go ahead. So this segment of my notes is called where were we I'm sorry you have segments of notes. Yes. Okay. So the Baseline killer was really on a roll by the summer of 2006 and in 2006. I had just turned 19 you were there you knew about it. Yep, and I spent the spring of that year in a tweaker pad on 20th Street and Thomas you remember? Yep, and I worked at a car wash on 40th Street. So triangulate my life somehow. I don't know it was how many 13 years ago by now but 13 years ago. And worked at a car wash for a minute and she lived in a house with a bunch of drug addicts and we were right in the thick pretty much of where the Baseline killer was active. So I remember we made a lot of we made a lot of like dark McCobb jokes to each other about well have fun going outside today, but in actuality everybody was terrified. Oh, yeah, we were it's most specially women because he was mostly attacking women. I think I think only one of the victims that I'm going to like Identify identify was a man. I'm sure that some of his armed robberies were against men. So it was mostly women against whom he was committing these violent crimes. So we were definitely looking over our shoulders and not wanting to go out at night. Yeah. So how about when it was going down I worked at U-Haul for a brief period of time and for some reason that was awful, but I was out on a smoke break and I saw a helicopter flying overhead with its big ol Spotlight on and a bunch of people came running outside and what I say the spotlight was very near to me what I mean is it was less than a city block away from me. I could see it in the street down the street if you get what I'm saying, so a bunch of people inside the building come out and they're like what's going on what's going on? I'm like I don't I've been out here. I don't fucking know and they're like, well, we heard that the fucking they caught the Baseline rapist and I was like here though. At U-Haul. This isn't Baseline Road my dude. Come on. Oh, that's I'm glad you said that because they gave him a moniker way to prematurely because it gave everybody this mistake impression that since he was branded the Baseline killer that Baseline was the only place that you shouldn't be after dark and I mean, I worked all the way up on 40th Street and Thomas and lived on 20th Street and Thomas and that was kind of our stomping ground for a minute that and Downtown Phoenix and So when we would talk about how you know, we just we didn't want to go wandering around at night. It would be like, well, you don't live anywhere near Baseline and it's like are you are you stupid first, you know you so miliar with Phoenix. Yeah. We just wanted isn't terribly far away. I can take the bus there and like 25 minutes, you know, and but even then just because somebody is it's not like in New York where if they dub somebody like the Soho Strangler then you know, all of Soho is A hunting ground, but that's an entire part of a city out here. If you just say, oh, he he only kills people on base line. Don't worry as long as you don't go to Baseline. He won't kill you. It's like this dude is just wondering East and West along Baseline. Like anybody know anybody around olly olly oxen free. No one. Okay, I guess I'll go home. Thanks for coming out or not. Whatever. So I remember that I remember that people really enjoyed telling me that the Baseline killer had recently struck in the area that I worked and lived in and whatever and that the serial shooter seemed to enjoy the same hunting ground. I don't know with maybe the same frequency. I haven't studied him yet. So going to work felt like a gamble most of the time. We also had a friend whom you know, but I won't well, you know, yeah, we had we had a her name is Melody. She according to the street rumors fit the profile of his preferred victim which was female and brown was like the most precise that they got so I imagine she always kind of had that in the back of her mind as well. Even though melody was really of the of the opinion that she was the biggest badass who ever walked the Earth at one point Godot was said to have posed as a homeless man when he attacked his victims, so there was also some Buzz at the time about him possibly just being a really Insane homeless man and my friends who lived on the streets War particularly on edge and a little pissed that they were being profiled right alongside the likes of someone who had been raping and shooting women for the last several months and I had a lot of friends who still lived on the street or were Couchsurfing or whatever and I remember when those kind of rumors came out if you were a man of any skin color and you looked homeless in any way it was like could he be the Baseline killer and it's like yeah sure. Sure that very short white man who in no way fits the description of the Baseline rapist. Yeah, that's super him go get him. Fun fact. I read in one article that the time period during which the Baseline killer was most active was being referred to as the summer of fear. And I imagine that that may seem misleading if you don't live in Phoenix because the attacks ended in June so they ended and what you would consider to be the thick of Summer but let's just establish right now that in Phoenix summer begins in like April. Kids kicking until September so until I need a sweater to go outside at noon. It's summer in Phoenix and we're talking we're not talking like a nice balmy kick off your flip-flops at the beach kind of Summer. We're talking a go outside and burn literally to death kind of Summer like, you know that scene in Terminator where Linda Hamilton is like holding onto the fence and the fire happens. That's that's summer and Phoenix. Yeah when you Open the oven door to check on your cookies and a big rush of like hell fire comes out in your face. Yeah, that's literally what it feels like to be outside in June in Phoenix 100% So this is a timeline of his attacks as extracted from Wikipedia. So I'm just going to run through them and kind of give you an idea of the sort of disgusting monster that he was or / is on the 6th of August 2005 at 9:45 p.m. Add 7200 to South 48th Street in Phoenix their addresses for everything. I love it. That is so specific. I know I'm gonna die. That's why I want you to do a plot map so we can see exactly kind of how he moved around. I got you Godot forced three teenagers behind a church and molested two of them. So he thought hey look at this nice, you know building of God. I'm going to fucking be a terrible person about it. It's just sorry. I'm just like how I understand that if you're already going. To molest three teenagers, you know and hold them at gunpoint or whatever which isn't actually in this text doesn't say he had a gun at the time. It says he forced them like, I don't know he but if you're gonna do that, how are you also going to take it one step further and be like, you know what the perfect venue is for this crime a house of God. Well, yeah, obviously, I'm not even religious and I wouldn't do that. Like I wouldn't even take somebody's bubble gum behind a church. I don't know 14th of August 2005 sexual assault and robbery at 4:10. M at to four to five East Thomas Road in Phoenix 8th of September 2005 homicide at 1:00 in the morning at 3730 South Mill Avenue in Tempe. So you'll notice his sleep schedule was all over the place I'm saying so I haven't even talked about Baseline yet. It is important to the story because like what if he had been yeah, I'm just I'm saying Thomas Road already got mentioned what twice so it couldn't even like the Thomas killer, but I guess then we would think he was only stalking people. Who named Thomas or his name was Thomas Jesus Christ 8th of September 2005. Oh, I just said that 3730 stuff Mill Avenue in Tempe 15th of September 2005 sexual assault at 9:40 a.m. At 4512 North 40th Street in Phoenix 20th of September 2005 at 10:30 at night at 3 1 0 0 West Vineyard Road in Phoenix two sisters. One of whom was visibly pregnant at the time. Were walking home from a city park when they were approached by Godot. He was armed with a gun and he assaulted one of the two sisters while holding the pregnant sister at gunpoint with the gun literally pointed at her belly. Wait a second. Hold on so so he was like actively molesting this one while pointing his gun at the other one. Yeah. He so later in this you'll kind of get an idea of because my next bullet point is that DNA matching in this particular case would eventually be the link that provided the police with the Breakthrough in the investigation of the Baseline rapist and I go on later to kind of describe to you what DNA evidence was left behind and it sounds like he was you know, pointing the gun at the pregnant sister who presumably just didn't run away one because she had a gun pointed at her too because she was pregnant and probably couldn't run very fast and three because she don't want to leave her sister behind so he was kind of maybe like holding the gun in her general direction and making threats, you know, continuously while he was assaulting the Sister and maybe the reason he didn't get as far as he could have is because that was a pretty cumbersome act to pull off. But that's definitely what the two of them testified to in court 28th of September 2005 robbery at 1425 West Baseline Road. There it is MP that and a combination of sexual assault and robbery the same day at 7200 to South Central Avenue in Phoenix. So, you know he gets done over here and he thinks this hasn't been a full day and then he goes Over 270 202 South Central and he's like me try this again. We add some stuff on top of it. I don't understand because that's not the only time he does this where he commits to completely separate acts of bullshit in one day. It's almost like he goes out and he thinks all I got to do today is molest somebody that's all I have on my plate. I'll get a molestation out of the way and then I'll go to my fucking Zumba class and then I'll be good but no on some of these days his insatiable lust for being an asshole is just not Satisfied until he commits several acts of fuckery in the same eight city blocks. He is a busy guy. Yep. Third of November 2005 robbery at 2 0 0 1. Oh, I'm sorry. Not that's not an address. Here's the thing. I do everything in military time, but I'm trying to read it to you in like regulus American time. So the robbery took place at 8:01 p.m. At four zero one nine North 32nd Street in Phoenix and then a sexual assault at 8:10. At 3131 East Indian School, which is right across the street. So he robbed somebody and then he goes across the street and and commits a sexual assault. This is what I'm talking about this puppy. I was ballsy I'm saying the robbery at 32nd Street was said to have been committed by a man with dreadlocks wearing. What would become the infamous Fisherman's hat a description which would then lead to the most infamous wanted poster images of the Baseline killer. So I've just sent you the image of the infamous wanted poster on the Compared to his actual face on the right and I gotta tell you I don't see a very apt resemblance. Yeah, not so much. I mean I guess if you'd maybe if you took away the hat and the stupid this composite sketch artist by the way sucks because those don't look like dreadlocks. It looks like he has just bad lanky hair. So he walked into a shop and robbed it at gunpoint for seven hundred and twenty dollars before going across the street and abducting a woman less than 10 minutes later while she was putting items in a donation. In so she's donating items to the fucking homeless and the poor and he just this is what I'm talking about first the church and now this lady's just trying to make some charitable donations. Who the fuck is this guy? He's I'm just I'm sorry. I just fucking some people some people fucking children. I don't know now look, so like looking at this picture knowing that he doesn't actually have dreadlocks like the only I can't I can't stop seeing this fucking Fisherman's hat and a beekeeper net around us. And you know, they say there are several witness accounts to say that he was wearing a disguise of some sort. So he probably was wearing a wig. Ooh, I don't know. Yeah, just a bad wig in a stupid fucking hat. Well, he just he looked in his trunk of stupid fucking hats and that's the one he picked that day. I just can you imagine if during that want that assault? I'm sorry. It's not funny. But if like that day he decided to put on one of those stupid fucking rainbow hats with a little like propeller on the top. And that was what you had to describe to a fucking sketch artist my God, I can't I can't with this guy. I hated him before. I hate him more now after I'm read about him. He's fuckin douchebag. So fucking douche canoe and I can't stand him. So he sexually assaults this woman in her car before demanding that she drive him to the corner because he had just committed a robbery so is like, you know, take a closed-off. He does his thing and then he's like, oh hey by the way, can you give me a fucking lift? Because I'm a moron and I just robbed some people across the street and I don't know how to live my life the Said that he was wearing a Halloween costume and black plastic glasses. So this is where I get a little confused because the robbery they said it was a man with dreadlocks wearing a fisherman's hat but then when he goes across the street and assaults this woman, she says he was wearing a Halloween costume in black plastic glasses. So as he's running across the street, did he change his disguise is he like like go go gadget stupid hat. What the fuck is he doing? Well, he obviously Superman de across the he just spun in a circle in a telephone booth and then ran across the street. Yeah, man, Jesus Christ. I'm a seventh of never hold on. No, like I feel like you're probably going to get to it. But how how was he eventually linked to all of these fucking crimes? Oh, I'm getting there. All right carry on on the 7th of November 2005 three separate robberies 3-1 at 8:05 p.m. At 2915 or 32nd Street. The strings started with holding four people at gunpoint at the Las Cruces Mexican restaurant. After which he went literally next door to a Little Caesars and robbed three people. Then he went right outside and immediately robbed four more people on the street. He managed to collect four hundred and sixty three dollars and fired a round into the air as he fled the scene man. That was a lot of effort for $400 seriously. So he's gotta just be doing it for the thrill because there's no way he's doing it for the fucking money. Well, yeah because there's not much there all in a day's work, I guess obviously it was it had to have been for the thrill because he wasn't exactly holding up places that carried a lot of cash behind the counter. So first, he's he's robbing the Loess process Mexican restaurant which you know, if they had just done like a like a cash drop for the night or something. They wouldn't have had very much in the register just enough to make change for people as they exited and then went across the store next door to Little Caesars where they don't let them keep very much in the register at any one time. So because I've you know, we've all worked in retail and fast food and whatever and you have to do is safe drop when you get to a certain amount so that you Have that much and then he goes outside and just you know, hold some people up on the street make some empty their wallets. And I know this is back in 2005 when carrying cash was still really commonplace, but I feel like even then I was more inclined to carry the the cash card that had my paychecks money on it as opposed to carrying literal cash. So he's not he's not going out of his way to rob places where he knows. The money is he's just doing it to do it. I mean, I guess Like was he drugged up to you think because this just strikes me as the kind of thing that you would get like all all spun up and then just run out and be like, I'm a fucking do some shit pop pop pop and then just as three dumb bullshit things in a row and then loses steam like what he just goes home after this island your system. He either did it to see or like to because he could like because he wanted to or he did it to see what he could do. Yeah to see how much he could get away with. Yeah. Cuz I mean up to this point. He's already gotten away with so fucking much. Like I feel like at that point. He's probably getting cocky and he's like, alright, let's see what else can happen. I'm a little surprised that he never did one of those really typical serial killer things where he tried to like send hints to the media or whatever like, huh? I got away again because I didn't find anything that suggested that he did that. He just kept going. I think I think it probably helped his confidence in that there were two other see serial criminals going about doing crime at the same time. So doing crimes doing the crimes crime and crime Acres. So on the 12th of December 2005 at 6:55 p.m. He committed a homicide at six thousand five South 40th Street in Phoenix the victim 39 year old Tina Washington was on her way home from the preschool where she worked. A witness saw a man with a gun standing over Tina's body behind a fast food restaurant. Tina had been shot in the head Jesus. So yeah a church a donation bin in a preschool teacher who the fuck I don't even on the 13th of December 2005. He robbed a woman at 4 p.m. At 700 East South Mountain Avenue in Phoenix on the 20th of February 2006 as 7:30 8:00 a.m. The bodies of 38 year-old Romania Vargas and 34 year-old, Myrna Paul. Emma Roman were found shot to death in their food truck at 90 First Avenue and Lower Buckeye Road. The murders were initially believed to be drug-related but were later attributed to the Baseline killer in July of 2006. So because clearly the fucking food truck was just a mob front and they were fencing all of their drug dealings through this fucking food truck. So I just want you guys to know that the reason I pronounce they're saying they're oh my God, the reason I pronounce their names so slowly is because like During and lisping like a moron. So I'm sorry about it on the 15th of March 2006 at nine o'clock p.m. Double homicide at 4102 North 24th Street in Phoenix two employees of the Yoshi's restaurant into sushi restaurant. I do believe the Yoshi's restaurant were found dead. Having been carpooling home from work the body of Liliana Sanchez Cabrera 20 was found in the parking lot while the body of chow chow was found about a mile away suggesting. To me that he may be attempted to run and go chase him down both were shot in the head. So they were known to have been car pooling together to leave work. One of them was found in the parking lot of their workplace the Yoshi's restaurant, but Chow was found down the street a mile away. So I doubt that Godot picked him up and carried him and left him somewhere. So I feel like maybe he ran and Godot was so afraid of having a witness that he chased him down man. I don't remember all of this. Oh, I know. Where was I I know that's what I'm saying. I thought it was a smaller story and now yeah, holy shit. No idea. We were so scared. Like I thought I thought it was just like a rape here and there like I didn't I didn't know it was this extensive exactly had no idea God 29th of March 2006 at midnight at 2502 North 24th Street in Phoenix a local businessman notices streaks of Blood on the gravel in a parking lot and The police initially the search didn't turn up anything of note but a week later the now thoroughly decomposing body of Kristen. Nicole. Gibbons was found while the same businessman a truly dedicated freelance detective was investigating a foul odor. She Kristen had also been shot in the head. So the award goes to this random citizen who decided fuck these cops and their bad investigation. I'm going to go back and check again, and he found the body. Thank you random. Um citizen that's right. First of May 2006 at nine o'clock p.m. 2950 North 32nd Street in Phoenix a man and a Halloween mask abducts a woman in a car and sexually assaults her at gunpoint. She was taken from the same restaurants where the November 7th crimes occurred. So now he's he's actively returning to places where he feels comfortable, but they're still all over the map on the 5th of May. Phoenix police go public with a list of the 18 crimes. They now believed were committed by the Baseline killer / Baseline rapist. Although the suspected number would eventually rise to 23 as of August of the same year on the 29th of June 2006 at 9:30 p.m. At 2924 East Thomas Road in Phoenix. 37 year old Carmen. Miranda is abducted from a carwash located only half a block from where the May 1st and November 7th crimes occurred. She was talking on her cell phone when she was attacked and Was found dead from a gunshot wound to the Head behind a barber shop around are about a hundred yards away from where she was taken. The attack was captured on closed-circuit television and is the last crime attributed to the work of the Baseline killer. So I know that it took until the end of history for him to attack at a car wash, but I have weird watery memories of people giving me shit. Where'd early because I worked at a car wash in his Taxes own and saying hey man, you better be careful. And then even while I was reading this and I saw 2924 East Thomas Road a part of me was like was that my car wash and it wasn't it super wasn't it? Simonize was nowhere near that. Well, I don't know it was ten streets away, but whatever. So that is the last crime attributed to him. So we're going to talk about how the pattern was established. So clearly this is a wide range of random crimes that don't really establish commonality until several months in. In the crimes were not initially linked partially because they ran the gamut from small-scale robberies to brutal shootings identification was also Complicated by the use of disguises and the lack of eye witnesses in the cases in which only bodies were found and no CCTV video was available eventually, however, as eyewitness description surfaced and video was recovered. The link was established the crimes were inevitably linked by the discovery that shell casings found at the scenes that all been fired from the same gun and would later all be attributed to the same man. Bolstered by DNA evidence recovered from one of his more discussing assaults on the two sisters one of whom was pregnant when he attacked her. So those two sisters that we talked about before the DNA recovered from that attack was also used in tandem with the shell casing evidence to really pin down this pattern and Link all of the crimes together. So now I want to talk a little bit about the medium Manhunt and I want to remind you of what it was like to live in Phoenix during this media Manhunt. Because there were posters and billboards and crazy bullshit everywhere and I just want to visually remind you of some of those so I just sent you some images of some of the media posters and billboards that were present at the time of The Manhunt. Hmm. I have personal memories of the media coverage of the hunt for the Baseline rapist his composite sketch the one with him in the dreadlocks and wearing the infamous Fisherman's hat was plastered to every bus stop there. Full-scale Billboards on major roads and everyone was aware of the ongoing search every time something happened on or near Baseline people were immediately attributing it to this yet unnamed assailant. So, you know, if somebody littered on Baseline there like it was him. I think I think Wikipedia puts it really well. So I'm just going to quote them here quote Phoenix police spent thousands of hours patrolling and following up on hundreds of tips during the summer of 2006 as residents of Phoenix became increasingly alarmed. By the random nature of the violent crimes Community meetings were called by police to distribute a sketch based on the description given by the surviving victims frustration and fear blanketed the city as posters and billboards displayed the sketch of the Baseline killer offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to an arrest. It took the police over a year to finally come up with a viable suspect and quote. So at the time of his eventual arrest Mark Godot was on Parole referred to on Wikipedia as Community Supervision, even though I've never heard of it. Her to that way and was under the supervision of the Arizona Department of Corrections in August of 2006 parole officer suggested to the Phoenix PD that Marco was a potential match for the composite sketch of the Baseline killer parole officer searched his home and found a ski mask and a realistic-looking toy gun, which is confusing to me because he definitely actually shot people so I don't know what that's about. Maybe he used the toy gun in the beginning and then once he got more and more ballsy he was like It's time for an upgrade. Maybe we should Venture then use the information collected by his parole officers to obtain a formal search warrant for his residence leading to the discovery of additional items that linked Godot to the crimes on September 4th of 2006 Mark Cadeau was arrested in connection with the assault of the Two Sisters. We discussed earlier. This is what I was referring to when I mentioned the DNA evidence that had been successfully collected. That was what they were arresting him for. That's what connected him was the DNA recovery, so there there isn't a lot of information that I found in simple Google searches about Marcado as a person, but I don't really give a fuck about who he was but at the time of his arrest Marcado born September 6 1964 was a 42 year old construction worker living in Phoenix with his wife Wendy car. How does she feel about although we're getting there? Oh from the photos of him. You can find online. He was fake as fuck. He put on a really good fucking front. So I just sent you some photos that you can find online of the real life Mark Godot. One of those is of him and his wife Wendy car. So he looks like a normal smiling well-adjusted dude. Clearly that was not the case, whatever facade he put on at home. It was a good one because his wife defended his innocence pretty vehement Lee going so far as to say really Straightforwardly quote my husband is innocent and quote and quote. This is a huge miscarriage of justice and they have an innocent man in prison. This is all a mistake. He shouldn't be in prison for something. He didn't do and quote Godot was described as a loving husband and exceptionally friendly neighbor who took meticulous care of his lawn. So now wait, so even after the DNA evidence she was like nah, man that ain't him. Yeah. I didn't find anything to suggest that she ever gave up on saying that he was innocent, okay. There's his there something to be said for like a ride-or-die bitch, but that is too much. Well his his wife and his friends and neighbors even went so far as to suggest that he was framed by Phoenix police to why to what end I don't know Godot had already had his run-ins with the law. He was because he was on Parole at the time of his identification and capture. He was an ex-convict who had served 13 years of a 21 year sentence for aggravated assault which included beating. A woman's head in with a barbell God. I bet he was innocent of that to you. Now I'm saying and armed robbery just to round it all out Godot pleaded the charges down to aggravated assault dropping what would have been additional charges for rape and kidnapping which is foreshadowing as fuck in this case. The rape charges were dropped due to lack of evidence to prove that kind of assault which sounds really subjected to me. But whatever on December 7 2006 three months after his arrest Phoenix police said they were confident that he was responsible for the full series of murders rapes and robberies. Godot is believed to have Did nine murders including the murder of Sofia Nunez on April 10 2006 which had not originally been attributed to him. I'm not sure why because it really just got mentioned in passing on Wikipedia police recommended that prosecutors charged could go with a total of 74 crimes including nine counts of first-degree murder five counts of sexual assault three counts of attempted sexual assault 10 counts of kidnapping 12 counts of armed robbery four counts of attempted armed robbery three counts of sexual abuse nine counts of sexual. Conduct with a minor 13 counts of aggravated assault and three counts of indecent exposure. He was a busy busy man. Kimmy. My literal next bullet point was busy busy boy on September 7 2007 Godot was tried and convicted of all 19 charges in relation to the attack of the Two Sisters. We keep referencing. So shout out to those Brave bitches because their statements to police and subsequent testimony ended up being the real. Rocks of the investigation and the trial during the trial the Two Sisters gave testimony that could do-- approached them with a gun and forced them into nearby bushes where he ordered them to undress. They said Godot sexually assaulted the younger sister as he pointed the gun at the other prosecutor said Godot warned the women not to look at his face during the assault and that he rubbed dirt on one of the women to remove traces of his saliva. He also wore a condom during the assault on one of the sisters attempting unsuccessfully to cover his tracks. So that's what I mean when I say that I don't think he either I get very far or the whole thing was very clumsy because he thought just rubbing dirt on where he left his saliva would be enough and he had a condom on at one point. Not sure how far that went. He was sentenced on December 14th of the same year to four hundred and thirty eight years in prison. That is a long time saying according to us dates yet usatoday.com as of June 17th of 2016 though. His legal team had made appeals in an attempt to avoid the death penalty. Being lobbied for by the prosecution the Arizona Supreme Court upheld nine death sentences and more than 60 other felony convictions against Godot. Then 51 Godot was officially on death row serving all nine death sentences. I don't know if you can kill a man nine times, but I guess Arizona has taken away a cat it they're going to do their best today Mark a dough is still considered one of the most prolific serial killers to have terrorized the southwest and perhaps the country at Large. I feel as though he is mostly remembered by arizonans, but I've never conducted a survey of the rest of the country to see if they recognize the name. So Que Sera Sera in one of my Google searches. However, his face comes up right next to Ted Bundy's so evidently Google ranks him right up near the top in terms of being a trashy human being with a well manicured lawn. You can find other random tidbits about his the case on Wikipedia. There is mention of a false confession by an A Man by the name of James Duane Mullins that apparently slow down the investigation. There's also some He's a Shinning accusations against Phoenix police of mishandled evidence that simply was not processed in time that could have prevented some of his the later end of his crime spree. There was a second suspect at one point who was actually a friend of the Gadot family and had a criminal history of his own. He was imprisoned shortly before the Baseline killer spree began and was subsequently arrested only a few days after good dough for holding his family at gunpoint. He was sent back to prison. And would become eligible for parole in 2011. So I'm sure that some of the rumors and suggestions about this being a frame job or like a mistake or whatever are probably based around this friend of the family who was also also had a similar criminal history and had been in prison and then was out of prison during the timeline of the Baseline Killers attacks. So I think you know, that's probably worth some of the frame job rumors come from also, I mean it would make for an interesting. Relation if it turned out that this dude framed his friend because you know, fuck it. Why not? I mean that's what friends are for, right? There's also evidently a movie about the Baseline killer aptly named the Baseline killer according to IMDb.com. It was released in 2008. It has a rating of 2 out of 10. Oh I bet that is amazing. I am going to watch it. The description is simply quote inspired by the streak of murders committed about committed about. Oh my God inspired by the streak of murders committed. Around Baseline Avenue in Arizona during 2006 and 2007 a vicious killer stalks women along Baseline Avenue a 2-mile stretch in east Phoenix, Arizona. So first of all, I hate this IMDb description because I don't know who wrote it. I don't know whose fault it is this better not be what's on the back of the DVD case of DVDs exist, but it's calling it Baseline Avenue its Baseline Road. Okay, and it says 2006 and 2007. So the fucking years are wrong and it says it's at Two Mile Stretch in east Phoenix who the fuck researched this so whatever I'm not going to fucking I'm not watching that bullshit. So that is the story of the Baseline rapist / the Baseline killer and we lived through it. So we didn't have to be there because we were yeah. Yeah, so my turn first off I have to start by saying I know that my particular job is to report on dead people specifically. Li, like what they're doing post-mortem, but I'm actually not going to do that with this particular story Perth has the worst because the rules don't apply to me. So awesome right nailing it first time. Here we go. So I want you to close your eyeballs for thanks, Moe and imagine yourself in 1954 in Japan at the Tokyo Airport. Are you there? I was going to try to say yes in Japanese and realized I don't know how its high. Okay. Hi. There you go nail in it. All right, you're in Japan in 1954 July their of 1954. All right, I'm feeling it. So this caucasian looking guy. That's how he's described Caucasian looking with the beard. So literally any white hipster. Just think of that. All right? Okay. He is smartly dressed. He was described as looking like Generic businessman. Okay, okay generic businessman gets off the plane and he goes to the airport people. I think like Customs or something. He's talking to him like yeah, I'm on business blah blah blah blah blah blah except like he his accent is kind of weird. It said in a couple of the sources that I found that he his main language was believed to be French, but there are no sources that say, How they knew that like I don't there's nothing there. I guess they just assumed it was Frank. Why would they described him as American if it sounded like spoke French? They didn't they said Caucasian looking. Oh, you're right. Okay, so they said they said his primary language was French, but he spoke Japanese and a bunch of other languages. They don't list out the languages it just all of the sources say a bunch of other languages was one of the languages Klingon probably not because it was 1954. Good point although So when you hear the rest of my story may be okay. So he's a he's speaking to customs at the airport. Everything seems seems pretty normal and then during during conversation. Here's a here's where it a couple of the sources aren't entirely certain some sources say in the midst of his conversation other sources say when he had to prove his identity by providing his passport either way at one point. It is determined that That this gentleman is from a country called Torrid now. I don't know if you're up to Snuff on your geography know. Well that is not a place. So so they're they're asking more questions and they're trying to they're trying to figure out what's going on because they are also like that's not that's not real your quit bullshitting us. Well, I'm glad they knew because when you said it to me, I was like yeah sure Torrid you got it. Yeah, so taured definitely not a place so and and they're depending on what YouTuber your you're listening to some of them say Torrid some of them say to read some of them. It's nobody knows how fucking pronounce it, but Torrid. Well, it's not a real place, right? So they are getting his identification and his passports and everything and it he's got an authentic passport that's been stamped by a bunch of locations including Japan as in like he had been there earlier in the year and the passport was officially issued by the country of Turin, so So everybody's really confused. They're like a the fuck. So would that be a tour red Ian passport? Is that how he would say that maybe but anyway, so after a while there, I mean obviously they're still questioning him because they can't they can't actually let him go through customs if like they don't know where he came from basically during conversation. Like he he made mention that he traveled pretty frequently for business. Nothing. I've seen said what business but he was a freak or region business, right? Right Definitely Maybe he was selling some torsion vacuum cleaners or something. Yeah, I don't know but he traveled a lot for business. This was not his first trip to Japan as verified by his passport upon looking through his luggage. They found currency for a number of different recognizable European countries along with currency for Torrid, which fuck you Bill doesn't exist. So Questioning, they they're like yo, bro. We've got this handy map. For some reason. I keep a globe under the custom desk. Hey, I'm gonna slap it on the table. They like giving it a spin. Can you can you point out taured on this globe for us and he points to a little section in Europe between Spain and France now since I know that you suck at geography I will just tell you That Andorra is the country that he actually pointed at. Okay, and he said here this is this is taured It's not what is Andorra. That's not a real place. This is torrid and they're like, no man. That's clearly it's labeled. It says Andorra. That is what it is. That's I have a question. All right hit me. Is it possible that the reason we cannot find Carmen Sandiego is because she's interested there. It is Boom solved. You heard it here anyway, so he points at the map. This is taured. No, it's Endora. No, it's Red, they go back and forth for a little while. So while they're trying to figure things out they end up putting them in a hotel for the night there like here bro. Stay here. We're gonna we're gonna get this settled. They shove them in the hotel from what I understand the hotel room was guarded. Okay, it might not have been but I'm pretty certain it is otherwise this next bit wouldn't be so mystifying the following morning. They go to the hotel to collect them to further investigate and upon entering the hotel the Hotel room is empty as in nobody was ever there like so the bed hadn't been slept in the toiletries have been used. That's right. And so his room didn't have a balcony the window was not open. Nobody had been in that room. So what you're telling me is this man rises from the unidentified ether of Torrid correct somewhere in the slim border between Andorra and France and Spain and then they put him in a room that he cannot, you know, conceivably escape from and Guarding it the whole time. Yes, they go in the next morning and poof. That is correct. When they were discussing taured and Andorra, he made the comment to the officials that Andorra has not been a country for well over a thousand years, man. So, where'd you get your fucking passport from Turin? Yes, but but Andorra hasn't existed for over a thousand years. Wait a minute. What? Okay now I'm confused. Well, he's from taured and his passport. Is tow-ready mmm, and he when pointing at the globe he points to where and Dora is and says, this is torrid. It's not Andorra and Dora has not existed for well over a thousand years. So what? Okay, so what you're trying to do with? Oh my God. Yeah, man. So you're trying to tell me this man is a motherfucking time travel either. So that's that's one Theory one theory is that he is a time traveler another theory is that That he is an interdimensional traveler basically that he hopped over to another dimension in which Andorra was destroyed by Torrid because let me tell you a fun little fact that I learned while while doing my very minimal research on the story because I knew all about it. There is a city, I believe. Yeah a city in the very very center of Andorra called taured what? Yeah, so according to him a thousand years. Prior to 1954 and Dora was dismantled somehow correct and they decided to rename the entire nation after a small City within Endora called Turin in theory and Theory that's that's not the exact story. He's giving that I could find if he is time-traveling. Why is he deliberately being confusing because he's a dick and also speaking French to some Japanese fellas. So the torsion custom is to be rude and perplexing wherever you go, right? Definitely. Perfect. So so okay. So there are a couple more realistic explanations for what happened that don't have to do with like quantum physics and stuff one that I did see in a Reddit Forum which I mean you can either take or leave that information. They pretty much said I don't remember the exact words, but due to his accent they could have confused Torrid for something else. I believe they said if he had been speaking French. CH some sort of words could have gotten crossed and it could have sounded to the Japanese officials like taured. So there's there's that there is another explanation in that it is completely made up it is not real when I first heard the story. I thought it was a creepypasta. When when I started researching the story I was like, okay, this is probably a creepypasta. We'll see what happens. It is not a creepypasta the Reference I had been able to find about a place called Toreador a story similar to this is from a book from France that was published in 1954. Fuck you and the torrid man. So so yeah, that's that's really that's the story some people think that it could be proof of interdimensional travel. Some people think that it could very well be a Like a time slip basically like a fold in the Continuum, right? Some people think that it is proof of the Mandela effect. Some people think that it's time travel and some people just don't think it's real isn't the Mandela effect is the is the concept of something being believed to be true. So universally that people injected that truth into the experience of their own lives and Typically starts with one rooted misconception that somehow blows up and and goes worldwide without anybody really notice that it's we're noticing that it's happening. So what are you saying? Like, there is so much more to the Mandela effect. No, I know but like at its its most basic no because nobody knows what causes the Mandela effect. There are some people that think the Mandela effect is also proof of interdimensional existence. I can't wait until we get to argue about the Mandela effect because I am 100% excited for that. Because I am super fascinated by the Mandela effect. So what do you think happened? Do you think he is / was a time traveler. Do you think he came in from a different dimension and decided to be confusing and bullshitty for a few minutes and then just dipped out like what is he? What is he like an interdimensional prankster? Who's like, I'm gonna go randomly confused some Japanese Customs agents for fun. So like an in my opinion I've got I've got two different opinions on this my my skeptical opinion. Is very much that okay. So the language barrier being an issue things got crossed. Nobody understood what he was saying. He just slipped out in the middle of the night at the hotel. Maybe the guards had to take a tinkle, you know, maybe maybe he wasn't actually guarded but I think I think with his limited information as is actually available. I do not think the story is real and if it is real, I think it's not as mysterious so but okay so we can obviously assume that the guards fuck Tup, and they're just lying and saying no we stood outside the whole time. Yeah, totally and then the story just got away from them and they're like, yes corroborated. Yeah, but also I mean, you know, nothing in the hotel room was Disturbed. It didn't look as though he had so much as sat down in a chair. Right? Right, which is why the other part of my brain that likes the Spooks and the Mysterious and the crazy. It's like, oh my God. What if he is From Another Dimension and like got on the plane? The airplane like slipped a little bit to the left and went into the wrong dimension in Flight. Shut the fuck like what if right because maybe well look I know this could easily be explained is a miscommunication or a misconception or an outright lie, but I think that it's totally is totally fucking it's so real it happened. It's super happy. Yeah, and this dude just like a Carmen Sandiego doubt of the room, correct? And because he was like, oh no, they caught me the term ready and Jig Is up. Maybe maybe he escaped the air vents, you know. Yeah, maybe he's a shape-shifter and he turned into a fly and business back to to write you never dial or maybe he was a ghost of somebody who something now, that's not that's that's a terrible story. It doesn't it doesn't have any ground to stand on it. All that was a good one coming. I'm glad I didn't look it up this whole time that I knew what you were going to talk about because I did not see that coming at all. Really? Yeah. Well, I was afraid when you were first talking. I was like, okay. She's talking about a real ass man in a real as airport in a real ass country in a real last year and there was no internet back then so, you know come up with weird creepy pasta rumors. So was just what these Japanese airport workers witnessed and whatever and so I thought she about to do some like True Crime he shit because if I had known that I would have changed what I was doing Kimmy is a bitch and then you fucking you got Ooh the to the fucking twist and I was like, whoa, uno momento gotcha. So it was really cool Bravo. Congratulations. First one in the can hell. Yeah, man, we did a good job. Wait did a terrible job? Hey, we did a good job. It was okay at best will be better. We will get better. Cheyenne is going to figure out her head set. I am getting a very cheap, but pretty cool-looking set up probably delivered tomorrow. So maybe Will be a little bit better next time. Yeah, hopefully I'm gonna take these headphones back to Best Buy and throw them at the stock boy and demand satisfaction sponsored by Best Buy not sponsored by Best Buy because right now I'm angry at that. Yeah. I don't actually shop at Best Buy literally ever. I do not like it. Well, thank you for joining us for episode 1 I think We had a good time Kim. He's not going to have a good time editing this in post because there were a lot of problem. Sorry about it. Hashtag. Sorry about it. As always. 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Finally! Welcome to EPISODE ONE! Due to an editing battle of epic proportions, we are a little late, but here we are! In our flagship effort, we weave you a tale of two f*ckboys: Cheyenne tells us the truly random and terrible tale of Arizona's Baseline Killer, Mark Goudeau, and Kimmy takes us down a mindf*ck tunnel with her rendition of the Taured Man. The Baseline Killer (sexual assault, rape, violence against women): 06:15 - 46:25 Sources: Murderpedia (https://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/goudeau-mark.htm), Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Goudeau), USAToday.com (https://amp.usatoday.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2016/06/17/baseline-killer-mark-goudeau-arizona-supreme-court/86037272/) The Man from Taured (no triggers): 46:25 - 1:00:48 Sources: Ancient Origin (https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/mysterious-tale-man-taured-evidence-parallel-universes-or-embellishment-005788) Copies of all images discussed can be found on Facebook at facebook.com/youhadtobetherepod and on Instagram at @youhadtobetherepod. Thank you for listening! 