Hi, Sarah. Hi Kirby. Welcome to gloss Angeles. Today is a very special day in gloss Angeles. Why because we have our very special first guess. Oh, that's right. That's right. Okay, we've been teasing this on the gram. Yep, gloss underscore Angeles, which of you aren't following us already. Please follow us like subscribe the whole nine, you know, you know how we do but this guest is so major.You didn't want to just have any gas. No. No, we wanted somebody that was an icon, huh? We wanted someone who has a good heart. Yep. We genuinely like uh-huh and works with all the Best Brands. Hmm. Someone that you guys would actually want to hear from so who is it? Who is it? We are so so so excited to have you here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be in Culver City. Yeah. Thank you for coming to my house. Daniel told me that it was just like rolling up, too. I think I'm Palace. He says that Megan opens the gate which is what I did today. I opened my game for you. I mean the same you're just you're like the duchess. Yeah, basically live and love like Megan love it. Okay. So Sarah. Yes, please intro Daniel. Yes, let everybody know for like two of you who don't know who Daniel is Daniel Martin is a renowned makeup artist whose career spans decades. His work has been featured everywhere from the pages of Vogue and Vanity Fair to backstage at all of the fashion weeks to some of the most famous and most beautiful mugs in Hollywood including Jessica, Alba and Elizabeth Moss. And yes the Duchess of Sussex herself Megan Markle. He's also the brand ambassador for Dior Beauty and the creative color consultant for honest Beauty. So we are beyond beyond thrilled and honored to have Daniel here as our very first glossy Angeles guess we I mean when we were thinking, okay, who should we have on as our first guest because Honestly, not suit our own horn, but we have a lot of interests in this podcast and we were like, okay, this is awesome that so many people want to come and chat with us. Yeah. We're like, who do we really feel the vibe? We had like a list that was like our Dream guest and we were on there and we were like, there's no way I was like what Daniel do it we did and then we pressured him when we saw it last time. We pushed him in the corner like what do our podcast and look he's here now, so they say Daniel Daniel is the best So Daniel every episode of gloss Angeles we start off with something called what's on your face. Okay, we used to go through literally everything that we had on our face but it turned into like a 20-minute or demo. My sister told me it was like AP chem like she was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, so we want to change things up. Yeah, we're gonna every week now moving forward talk about one to two products that we are wearing and trying out and that we love maybe products we wear all the time instead of going through our entire face. Because it's just going to get redundant at some point. So I'll kick things off. Yeah, Sarah. Do you want to know what's on my face? I did y'all do a notice on my face. I sure do. So today. I actually went to violate gray and I bought the beauty stat Universal vitamin C skin refiner. Oh, yeah sold out online on by like gray.com, but they're the exclusive retailer for this serum and people are obsessed with it. They say it's like the best vitamin C. They have ever tried why and because they say it refines their skin. You're so well and they see actual results from it and I'm a huge vitamin C fan in general. So the woman working at Violet Kray was extremely informative and she said that the reason why it's so Superior to everything else is because it's a powder form of Ella sorbic acid inside of this moisturizer. So makes it super potent. Yeah play it which I thought was interesting. So I have it on my face first day. I let you guys know how it goes. How is the texture it? Honestly just feels like a cream. Not like you have to activate it. Like you have to like pull up Tab and then the powder goes into the cream. It's just like already mixed I guess. Oh, that's so interesting. I want to see that like, yeah. I want to I Love The Branding so I'm kind of Sucker a sucker for everything's nice. I like that. But yeah, and it's $80. So it is like a more luck skincare product, but I'm excited to see what the results turn out because my skin has been a mess this past month and it's finally calming down. So now it's like looks great. That's curious figure it out some my God, Daniel. Make that your ringtone big bless. Okay, great. I'm also wearing Pat McGrath Blitz trance lipstick and Lady Stardust feels like a ball modestly, but all like it provides such amazing color. So I always like to wear them. They're really really pretty. It's a great color. Thanks, really pretty and then Charlotte Tilbury Bella Sophia palette, which I have learned used to be the Dolce Vita palette and that is my absolute favorite of hers. But apparently she had a Change the name because there was like a copyright issue with Dolce Vita. So in case you're wondering what happened to the Dolce Vita palette, it was not discontinued. Its now the Bella Sophia palette. Hmm. What's on your face Sarah? Okay. So today I am wearing the new Fenty Pro filter hydrating long wearing foundation. So Rianna launched a hydrating formula saw that yeah, so which is great because I don't know if you've tried her original formula. It's a little dry. It's like very full coverage yet very full coverage. Very matte finish. So I liked it but I didn't wear it everyday because I like a more like dewy glowy finish and this one definitely has more of like that satin finish, which I like. What do you think? It's really good always looks amazing sweet. So yeah, whatever you have on your face. I want on my face. I want your face on my face. Thanks. That's like meta what's on your face. Yeah, and then I'm wearing a top secret brow product that I can't talk about, but you We know what I'm talking about. Oh, I do I do know what you're talk and talk about it yet. Okay, you'll tell Dana laughter. I'll tell Daniel out there and then I am wearing a kosis lipstick kosis is lipstick in Rose Water. Oh, yeah. I'm like Hannah kosis. Yeah. I feel like love their stuff. That was the first product that came out with right of the lipstick. Yes, right or that I think they sent me their lipstick. Yeah. I really like it's just so comfortable to wear. It's kind of bomb me, but it gives them gives a Lot of payoff exactly. Yeah, and I was wearing not today but yesterday their 10-second eyeshadow, which I really like. Yeah, that's good stuff. Okay, Daniel when you have on your face. Oh God, what's on my face? Is it medicine that my term suggested? I put on an ingrown hair trend out treinen in touch with is it Trenton Owen trickshot? Yes, but do you have a very like regular relationship with your dorm? You see him or her regularly? Yeah, like every four months. Okay, I'm starting to get this funky. Melasma. Kirby's like Queen of melasma Nala and she's like you need to get on vitamin C you need to like, so I'm trying to be just on like the spot just everywhere because I'm in my and I need to really start paying attention to my skin. So she's been really adamant about your amazing. Yeah you really but I need to keep it up if I want to keep this. Skin, right so she's like, okay. This is what you need to do. That's a good term. Dr. Sherry Machine by New York City shout out. Shout. I love a good. All right. Well anything else you want to I have the touch satin missed. Thank you. Like which one is it? That product is not meant to like refresh your skin the way that the other one does or she use it to refresh. Oh, do you because I like how wasn't being marketed like that, right? Yeah, I think I mean, I just like how it feels the doing Miss for me can get really dewy. I literally just flew in right right now. Yeah, and like I needed something just to give my skin some hydration. Yeah, the air here is so dry. And you definitely notice that as soon as you get here. Yeah, especially for a New Yorker. So yeah, that's what everyone not from Los Angeles always says they're like, how do you do it so dry even though this mist is more about more combo skin? In I like how it feels I like how it smells. Yeah, me too. Yeah, and it's always just so pretty all the time to products. Yeah such to and then I have Lana lips lip balm. I just received it. Yeah, it's really good Comfort. We love the founder. Yeah, she's great and I'm a big fan of Lionel up. Yeah, me too. I love their moisturizers and their face wash. Yeah. They just launched all good style. Great. I have a question Daniel. Yeah, since you travel so much. Do you do like a full skincare routine on Plain, like what's your know? I have my medical mask because me, I have my won-won skin masks with me, but I usually mask when I get into the hotel to unpack. Yeah, so I'll wear a mask when I unpack because I'm not going to throw that on the plane. I just can't do it. You feel like it's kind of gross because you're especially if you're doing a mask because your K like capturing all the Recycled are right and it's kind of counterintuitive in the sense that no, Matter how long you're going to be on the plane? The error everything is just sucking the moisture out of your face. So if anything is just depleting like you put the mask on but it's not really helping anything because once you take that mask off all that hydration is going to deplete itself and you don't I mean you need water in your skin. That's the best I think flight tip. You can give anybody for a skin just drink water because now there's brands that are coming out like I got pitched yesterday and in Flight skincare brand. Oh, yeah. I'm like this. This was made because someone on Instagram someone's all this on Instagram and was like, oh there should be a brand that specifically for being in the air and I just I think it's a complete waste of money and I don't think that brand will be along what around like like super trendy. Yeah. I just this whole skin care like prep before you get on the plane. Yeah. Right, right. Absolutely. We're a serum that has antioxidants in it to help with like the free radicals. You're sitting next to a a window like close the window if it's sunny outside or even yeah and just protecting you from the germs of other people. I mean I carry those Clorox y-yeah, I believe the best the most important they have you seen Naomi Campbell. Oh, I I'm exactly her on the plane. You don't like as soon as I sit people think she's extra. I'm like no. No, that's what you how you do have to specially when you're on a plane as much as we are. It's like I wipe everything down also like think about like when your plane comes in, People get off you get it right away. It's probably needs to be cleaning that exactly and also I recently just saw a video of a man using his feet to scroll through the movies. That was discreet. No, it was like I I slept next to a guy who literally put his feet up on the tray table in the middle seat. No, no, and I was literally like looking at the flight attendant kind of like hey six. I need you to help me out here and thank God she was like, can you? Not do that people eat their food there and he was like, oh and like look, I'm like well duh common sense, right sir. Noah has etiquette anymore. No. No, I remember just so set the dress up for flight. Yeah, like what happened now? It's just like a fairy tale. Yeah, the free-for-all. Yeah, sorry tangent because you just needed to talk about those things. We had to let it out. Okay. Okay. So let's get into the meat of this this interview, but this is just a check. Yeah, I mean it's in the gossip. It's a go. It's a go. Okay. So Daniel we read that your very first makeup job was working at the mat counter at Nordstrom. Is this true? This is true. This was 1990 493. Which Nordstrom I'm Notions in Seattle. Okay. Okay, that's like a major. Wow. So this was like the very first Nordstrom awesome Mac had just come to the States from Canada and they Lon Launched at Nordstrom it was makeup artist makeup like, yep. Yeah bro completely pro at the time and then I think they got purchased by Lauder a few years after that. But yeah, that's how I got started. And then I really honed my career though working at a Nevada Salon. Yeah. So did you get that opportunity with Aveda? Because you had I think it looked good on the resume, but when I moved to the east coast so my I'm used to live in Germany and when she came back to the states, she was in Richmond, Virginia and I after a college went to Richmond to visit her and I just fell in love with Richmond and I needed a job. So I did all these odd jobs. I worked at Tower Records. And then this opportunity came up to Apprentice at this hair salon because at that point I'm like I need to get serious with what I want to do and in Virginia you can Apprentice to get your license. So which means that you can work and get the Appearance and then get on the floor. So I realized that couldn't cut a straight line so I couldn't do it. You're like hmm. This might affect my future. Yeah, and but they had makeup so I got into the makeup and then I wound up getting my aesthetician license so that kind of explains my point of view with makeup. So that's kind of how I started. I started teaching for them. And then it was through a Vada that I met Pat McGrath because Pat did a capsule collection for them. Like 1997 which isn't saying yeah to even think about she was kind of like the first one that like makeup artist Brand but it wasn't no one talked about it right exactly. Was that so major for you when you found out that you were going to be working with her? Well, it wasn't I mean I had met her at that point. I was on the education side. So she was mostly doing marketing product development. So she created it was called this the universal glow. And it was basically like it was like a highlighter and it was like a like a beige a pink and you can use it on all these skin tones. So ahead of you is really ahead of her time. Yeah, and then I reconnected with her when I moved to New York, which was like a few years after that. It just really cool that you assisted her and then now like you're at the same level, you know what I mean? Like what happened? It's because I will never ever think right. Toby you're so hung. I mean, yeah, you're so humble. So humble so good at what you do like for us. It's like I can't believe we're here with Daniel God, but also just like a testament to like how hard you've worked and everything that you've done and like look at where you are. Now, you know, which is really awesome weird. It's so weird to think because I feel like every day is you're still trying to reach the goal. Mmm Yeah, you know what? I mean? It's like yeah, this is a job and we want to you know, do good. Work we want to work with great people and every day is a new day, but I don't ever think I would never want to think that I've gotten to a point where it's like I've made it because what does that really mean? Yeah. I kind of like if you feel like you're the smartest person in the room is trying to find another room type of right? Yes. I never want to feel like that especially when you love the industry that you're in right? I mean, I'm so grateful that I'm able to do what I love. Yep and to be able to meet so many great people and work with so many great people. All black and then when you have that mentality to you just want your curious and want to learn more and yeah, so I feel like I mean if Pat was like I need you as an assistant. I would totally jump and do it again. Oh my God, I mean it's like Daniels available. No, he's not. What is the one of the best things that you learned from Pat or maybe something that you just have taken with you throughout the years and it can be just like life advice or it could be makeup like techniques or just like her perspective on makeup. I feel like now in this time with so much makeup and so many tools and so many ways of application what Pat has always been incredible about is herself. skin, and that I would say that's what I've learned from her hurt like you touch the face you massage the face you get that blood going to really pull out the skin and that's something that I that I learned from her because there's a definite disconnect when you apply makeup with a brush when you don't physically touch the face I would agree with you because I just started using my fingers to apply foundation and I feel like when you're using a sponge or a brush, it's so easy to just squirt out a bunch of stuff. I gotta go to town right when you have to put it on your hands and kind of warm it up and then apply it to your skin. Like you're applying a moisturizer or a serum or something like that. You were so much more a delicate with your skin and be you use so much less product. Yeah. I mean when you use Pat's Foundation you really see that the opacity changes and it moves And it just that massaging that finessing of just movement on the skin. You can really understand the coverage that you're getting but I love that you kind of bring this up because I think it hits our question that we did want to talk about in terms of like the social media world and influencers and also oversaturation in the beauty industry. Like you said every day there is a new product a new tool to use and I feel like in the early Arts of like makeup artistry. There wasn't that much to choose from for Better or Worse. So you really were using your hands to apply product and you were able to connect a little bit more with the makeup. Maybe I sound crazy but oh, it's true. It's true because like I apply eyeshadow with my fingers what I'll use a brush for more intricate, but like if I'm laying down a base or if I'm laying down a shaping I'll use my finger because there's a movement that there's a texture And a direction that you get when you use your finger to shape the face, so like using your finger for a cream blush. Yeah and using, you know, just to kind of hollow out the I I would do that with my finger. I love that. What about Foundation? What do you Foundation? I'll do a brush. But if I feel like there's a mask that's happening. When I apply the foundation to the skin. I'll apply foundation with in with my hands. Okay, because you need that warmth from your hands to kind of like meld everything. A thing that's why makeup always looks good like 30 minutes after it's done when you've kind of let it set and breathe and you go outside and that he kind of just gets your skin going and then you come back and you're like, oh my makeup looks good. It doesn't look settled. Yeah, that's why it looks when you apply it with your fingers. It looks more like skin, right. I have a question that I think our listeners probably want to know what is the best way to find your Nation color like to match your skin. That's a great one for me. It's always about looking if I'm doing editorial I'll tend to look at the stomach. Hmm because say if the models like not wearing clothes or if they're like having to be topless or whatever. I need that face in that body to be consistent if I'm working with an actress and I see their dress and it's low cut. I need to look at her chest and then go up. I never look at the face then go down. So many of us do like here, yeah like their chin or I don't know like this kind of your face. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we tend to be more red in the center of our face. So that's what you want to knock out. Yeah, so that's where I'll start and then go up got it. Okay, so speaking of major moments in your career. We have to talk about the row wedding. So when you agreed to do it, did you think it would have the effect on your career that it did and that Become as famous even more famous than you already were zero. I mean literally it was like a friend asking me to do her wedding. Yeah, you're like great. Yeah. I was like, I'm happy you're happy. Of course, I'll do your makeup. I would but I didn't anticipate being asked to the wedding either and at that time my other best friend was getting married the weekend after in Tuscany. So I'm like, okay cool this works out because then I can get to Europe early can't you? Dear wedding and then I can go see Emily. Yeah, right afterwards, but it really didn't hit us like surgeon I until we were in the car and that we understood the capacity of what that day was going to be like because when you're drive we were driving right behind her and we were just seeing people who had been outside for hours trying to just get a glimpse. That's when I'm like, holy shit. This is Major. Me I just got the chills. I really reminded me of you know, I remember when Prince William and Kate got married and everyone was making the big ordeal about it over here. And I remember just being like whatever who really care is like the Royals whatever don't you know, I got up at 2 a.m. To watch it and cried the whole damn time. And then with this like obviously watched it as well and like probably like emotional and mental breakdown at the same time because like what it meant for like Just the culture in general writing but also this was a totally different time to we have social media now. Yeah, so, you know, what II had to I watched both. Okay Mills one for Kate Middleton one that thing for fun and then when this last wedding to cover it and covering it and then having social media and then finding out that you did her makeup. It was just nuts. Like everyone was like get on it like we would start writing about it. And then you know, it's like we go to your Instagram and like wait for you to like post something. We aren't posting anything. It's just you know what I mean? It was we had our phones out that we had our phones off. That's what you said, right? It was just like we didn't know what was happening outside outside of that. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah for sure for sure because it was like this moment in time that I'm always going to have but I have to be honest like it's kind of a blur because so much happened in that 15 hours. Yeah. but it was an incredible moment just to see your friend be married to the person that they love and in such a way that you honestly felt the like everyone that was there waiting and who showed up who flew in from other countries to Witnesses, you felt that a hundred times and then watching the specials and all that way after the fact yeah was incredible because it was such a Perspective than what I had. Yeah, was she like a normal bride like nervous like oh my God. She's the most chill person. And that morning was just like easy. That's why it didn't nothing fazed us. I feel like you have to be completely calm and collected and you're at that level like that because imagine if she was just thinking the whole time about like the photographs or like what people were saying, My or what the headlines were going to be. Yeah, I feel like you just have to completely forget any of that even exist and then be in the moment and experience it I just think it's so cool that one of your close friends like she got married she found love she obviously has a beautiful child now but like it was a moment that was so much bigger than that. Yes, you know what I mean that it affected so many people that's what's weird, isn't it so bizarre It's awesome. I mean it's yeah, it's just because you you wish all your girlfriends and husbands and friends there, you know the best but yeah, it's weird. It's still weird because I mean she's still the same person. Yeah, because he was working with her for years. Yeah 10 years and we've been able to have this incredible friendship before and now after so, yeah, that's so cool. Oh my God, and it's so cool that you still get to like go visit her, but she's just you know, Duchess now, I know I just can't even imagine like what if you begin I mean, yeah Matt if you plan on becoming a do for something like me now, but like we'd still record the podcast. Yeah, I think what would even like what all we have like special privileges and like not be allowed to do certain like I don't even know how you function. Yeah. I think it's just cool and obviously like a testament to Daniel in terms of like how so many people adore you and and and that you have these relationships you develop these relationships with the people that maybe you started did you start working on her and then become friends or yeah. Yeah, so we met when she when suits got picked up and then we just form this friendship and then she was like, you know, I think I'm gonna do this blog. Would you contribute to the blog I was like, yeah, of course the tig the tig so that's how it all snowballed and like 10 years later. I'm so lucky that I can still have that friendship where they're like people that you worked who wanted to or who you want to work with maybe or Brands. We want to work with who like maybe didn't work with you previous to Megan and then like they hit you up after that's a really good question or just like was it weird for people to approach, you know, like calling you like Megan markle's makeup artist that's been interesting and she gave me an Incredible Gift. I I'm I mean to be honest to this day. It's it's still I don't want to say it's challenging but I just have to know that that's always going to be the case. Mmm. Do you know what I mean? Yeah that and it's not a bad thing to be associated with her but that's always going to be it'll be in the back of your mind. Like are they sending me this because they want me to of course I use it. I mean, let's you're like somehow get yeah. Of course, I mean that's just the ebb and flow of that's just that exactly welcome to Los Angeles. They live in now they move so much. Old being a royal baby. Let's talk about like people like us the commoners that will be getting married has a peasant's these Town whoever they are. What's your best piece of advice for someone that is getting married and either wants to do their own makeup or hasn't makeup artist coming in like is there a that is the fact such a good question like a product or something that you should or shouldn't do or like when you're creating your vision for your wedding look like when you do I didn't have a makeup trial with her because I we just couldn't make the time I knew what she liked and what she didn't liked and then we exchange like Pinterest pictures over text. Like I think I would die to see Megan markle's and Pinterest board for her wedding, but I think for anybody Pinterest is an incredible tool to use as a reference. Yeah, and I feel like the most important thing is to not for a bride that's their red carpet moment. And I feel like you can't stray too far. Far from who you look like who you want to be and who you want who you are? Because the last thing you want to do is look at these pictures and be like, I wasn't comfortable and looking like that. Yeah. All right. I didn't like I don't recognize myself. Yeah, right. So it's like finding those elements that you admire and you want to Aspire to achieve but at the same time you still have to have a sense of who you are in there. That's what I loved about how you did her makeup. Is she she looked just like her just glowy and like just getting like a bride on her wedding day, you know, like right could see her freckles still it was like her skin was showing and the dress is so architectual that if she had any more makeup on you wouldn't even look at the dress and that's not what that moments about. Yeah. You don't want to take away from right that dress, right? Yeah, exactly. All right, so I want to talk to you about Shopping. Okay think a lot of people are are thinking to themselves. I want Daniel to come and help me spend my money the best way possible. So if you had a hundred dollars, what beauty store would you go to and what are you going to buy for yourself or your kit? Like what are you absolutely want or need? Oh, that's a really great question. If I enter a hundred bucks, or maybe 200 know we're like I actually can. And A Lot 400. Oh, really? Yeah, we're Target. Obviously. Yes. I also I think I could do well at Ulta with a hundred bucks have no have you like stepped in a Target or Ultra recently like do everything you do? Okay. I was just at Target and Queens New York with Jessica Alba because she was doing an honest Beauty situation there and it was like the first well-stocked Target that had been to in a long time and they totally like redone. Oh, yeah, it's amazing. Looks like a Sephora the beauty aisle is Bomb. Yeah, it's really really really incredible. Okay. So what would you buy a Target? So with a hundred bucks, I would go and get the $20 eyeshadow palette that I did for honest Beauty because it's the perfect day to night eyeshadow palette 19 bucks. You can knock that out their foundations. I would actually hate to say it. I would do the honest beauty cream foundations because that doubles as a concealer, okay? Also to get funky colors, I would go to NYX Cosmetics love Nix is not get their vivid color. They're like these colored cream eyeshadows. And yeah, I love that. Yeah, I love it. It is super pigmented and they're like five bucks or something mascara that I can manipulate and use as a liquid eyeliner if I needed to like multi-use anything. Yeah, and then Nick's has great lipsticks. The liquid lipsticks that honest Beauty just came out with a really nice to dying to try those. Have you tried them? No, I haven't yet a great the make sure you get them. Yeah, you know some 101. Yeah, maybe have a connection there. I'm not sure I would look for products that are multi-use. Yeah, I could use in different ways and then like a really great my slur water because you want to be able to take that stuff off. Totally. I really easy moisturizer because I think Eyeshadows you can use on your brows. So that kind of duals that yeah, I think for a hundred bucks. I could do a really good face. Do you have any favorite like micellar Waters that you use it to make it right now LaRoche Posse. Yep. That's a great one. Yeah, I really like the simple media. That's my favorite. Yeah, that's really nice. Do you feel validated? Yes, I'm like thank God. It's funny that my sister water is turned into a thing because I mean That's been around forever. Totally. Yeah, all the French girls. Yeah and using it forever. Yeah, I don't even like in the morning. I don't wash my face with the face wash anymore. I just using micellar water. Yes. I'm like, what's the point but I feel like some micellar Waters you do have to wash off. I agree. Yeah, some have oral and them. Yeah, which I think is super interesting. I mean, it's good to break up that makeup. You do want to get rid of it. Yeah your face. Do you know who just made a really great not drugstore micellar water is Odo. Sot / Jack day. I was going to say la Prairie of there, right? Yeah. No, I love simple. I think they have a great one. And then I'm a big fan of bioderma. Yeah. I feel like his aim. Everyone table Yeah, are there any new brands? You've been loving recently em any new brands? Oh god. Oh, I got turned on to this incredible skincare. Italy called comfort zone. Okay, I love to hear it. Oh, yeah, they sent me. It's like Clean Skin Care. It's part of the Devon - hair grew like Devin is hair. Ye have skincare and I like their eye masks. Those are really nice Medi. He'll who just came into the state's. They're really great K Beauty Brands. Their skincare is actually really nice to and it's affordable. Do they is there a skincare also at wall? I think so. Nmf is the one line that I'm that I'm using and they had this toner. That is it's almost like a lotion but I love to prep with that and then use their moisturizer right at their serum right afterwards as a makeup base so that he'll masks are great so good. We went to the dinner with Daniel a couple weeks ago and I like use them right away when home and used one. Yeah. They're they're guys selling literally three two, Others $1.99 at Walgreens. Yeah and Amazon so though it like makes zero sense for you not to actually show the heavily because they're so affordable. Best-selling sheet mask brand in Korea. Yeah, that's crazy. You just like there's so many masks and creosote that BTS fans out there BTS uses these so just throw you that's a fun fact. Yeah, but he'll you mention that you use the lotion in the moisturizer as like a primer for the face. Do you believe in you? Thing primers. I mean the only primer that I'll use for someone that has like large pores. I love the touch of primer. Uh-huh. Justic. Yeah, the silk canvas is great to really kind of anybody who has like textured skin. This this primer is great for but I'll mostly use it on the T-Zone. I won't use it all over the face because sometimes I mean I tend to use a lot of water-based foundation, so I need something that's water-based for it. Magnetized on the skin because if you put a silicone primer or anything in between the moisturizer the foundation heat will break that up. Okay. I think this is one of the best tips that we've heard in the whole conversation right now because a lot of you out there are probably using a silicone primer and then a water-based foundation. And when you put on your foundation, you're wondering why it's patchy why you have to take it off and restart over and over again. It's because they're not Not they're not melting together not combining water and oil. I mean you can see it doesn't mix exactly so once it's on the skin and then you have the heat from your skin activating that that separation is going to happen within time. Yeah. So for me if I'm working with an actress and they're in this makeup for 10 hours and I just I need to keep constantly touch up. I need that base to not move. Yeah, because once that base starts to cry. Can it starts? I mean it's like a house. It's like once that makeup starts to break up. It's so much harder to redo exactly which is why you also don't like to use oils, correct? Yeah. So I mean, I love a face oil when I don't put makeup on right right, you know what? I mean? It's like it's refreshing on the skin. It really does hold its hold some moisture, but it just doesn't do well with makeup on top of it for me. Anyways. Yeah if you so if you're having Having trouble with your foundation in general. I think a few great tips use your fingers or hands to you know, warm it up and then apply it to your skin like a moisturizer maybe avoid your primer that day see if it reacts to be with your skin. It could be because your foundation is just not meshing with the primer and then the third thing if you are using an oil in your routine as your main form of you know, a moisturizer maybe don't if you're going to put on makeup, yeah because that could be the problem that could be the source. So the problem yeah, like maybe use the oils at night. Yeah, or maybe like on top for a little glow sometimes right? Right. Yeah. Okay cool. Cool that leads us to our next question, which is what do you think is one thing that a lot of people get wrong when it comes to makeup application one thing. I think that they get wrong that they need a lot of makeup. Yeah, like a full face at 9 a.m. Like more power. R2 if you want to yeah, but yeah, you don't need to yeah, and also I think it was talking about this actually with a friend the other day. I used to be the person that was like cover up every single imperfection that I possibly could have. But then now when I look back at photos and stuff, I'm like, oh it just looks like I'm wearing a face and not like it's me Ryan the size and like do I love a good dramatic Wing? Yes, I'm wearing one right now. Do I have on like the biggest? You know, all Riddell falsely as I could muster today? Yes. I love the Glam of it. But you know, I have like some breakouts right here and I wasn't spending every waking minute just like trying to cover that area. It was just like I have a light little coat of this foundation on that. I applied with my fingers and then put blush on and it's it you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't think I can totally agree your it's counteractive right to completely try to just cover everything because then it looks like almost like you're trying too hard and then try to hide something right doesn't look like your skin. Is there any other Trend that you're seeing on Instagram? Or anywhere that you just are over like what trend you want to die Daniel translation. I mean, I've I've spoken about the Instagram eyebrow before I feel like makeup is Shifting. I feel like the spectacle of watching. I mean I'm guilty of it. I'll get into a whole watching people drip stuff on their face and oh my God, though that drives me nuts Nobody Does that right? And for me, I'm just like oh my God, they're wasting so much product. So I feel like that that reality is starting to break a bit. I think what I'd like to see more of is more creative color on the eyes, not that Instagram, you know, Contour highlighter blah blah blah Reese. Yeah. I want to see something funky. I want to see something Artful. I want to see something broken like the shoot that we worked on that. Yes. Yeah exactly. Yeah you see I'm color as an assessor that right. Yes. Yeah, it was fabulous. It's like, you know your it's taking makeup and wearing it a different way and focusing it more of us as an accessory rather than like this is eye shadow, especially with all the different tools that are out there. Now all of the amazing eyeliners and shadows and brushes that you can really really be creative. You know, how I think is doing that really well. Have you guys seen the show Euphoria? Oh, no isn't yeah. I mean, I haven't watched it but I've seen I follow the makeup artist. Yeah. So Daniela Devi she goes by Donnie Devi. She is the key makeup artist on Euphoria and she works a lot with Hunter Shaffer who is one of the leads on that show and Hunters make up in this series is always so Artful super editorial like a little splash of like neon with like a really subtle like, please mascara situation people are obsessed with this look now, I think because she's showing You can wear them and real life and in every day. I'm putting it in a television program to prove to you that this is totally wearable. Right and it's Artful right which I love. Yeah, and I also love that the characters on that show. They're in high school, right? Yeah, so it's just like that's like mimicking the time but I feel like so many high schoolers currently are trying to look older than they actually are. Yeah, and so this kind of encourages them to still be youthful and playful and Know where the glitter and like a fun way like you don't have to have that like Kardashian cookie cutter, right if you if you are all about the Kardashians and that look that is totally Glam and that's right. I think for me at one point. I was like am I supposed to look like this like, oh my gosh, we're striving in Allah ya when Trends come around you all like often question. Okay, is this like how am I supposed to look like this now? I'm 32 and I like could not give any It's whatsoever. Why I'm just going to look the way I want to look but it's interesting the beauty industry and how Trends come and go the waves that happen. Right? I'm curious like maybe this is like a little tea sipping moment. But like you've been in this industry for so long before social media when you have to start using did you like did you feel like you had to start using social media to help with your your career? That's a I get asked that a lot because I feel like my generation. There's some that definitely got on that wave and started writing it. I didn't give a shit. Yeah. I just what I loved looking at what my friends are doing. I love looking at pictures. I love looking at archive editorials that people were posting. It was more about sharing and being a part of a conversation. I don't use Instagram as my soul way of income whereas some people do. For me, it's more about sharing what I'm using sharing with my friends people want to know how I'm using certain things where I'm going. It's yeah, it's interesting because for me Instagram is just like it's another medium. Yep. It's not the only medium and I feel like we're getting to a point now with social media that you kind of have to figure out your trajectory because I remember being on set Once and it was like the first time the Instagram went down and then they like everyone lost a ton of followers. I was working with this model who lost 800,000 what and you thought someone like killed someone in her family. She was freaking the fuck out so bad and then I'm just sitting there thinking I'm to myself like this could easily all go away tomorrow. Yeah or right now and this is what you're basing this reaction on right and then also like This like that's what you're basing your whole career on right? I think it's her Instagram account. Well, yeah, and also a lot of artists use Instagram to promote like the clients they're working on obviously, right but some of them use their client as the sole reason to get followers, right what happens when that client stops working with you like their whole identity is based in this client like for you obviously you are an expert, you know so much about the skin and So much about makeup. So people are following you truly for your own opinions not because of the people that you happen to write with right. So I always I always feel like it's weird when I'm trying to you know, get a gig or whatever and they're like, well, what's the following there? I'm like a general matter what my following right? I'm just really good at my job. So basically thanks changing to like, I remember I recently I was with a publicist and a hairdresser and the hairdresser was really like He had to post and he had to like get his following up. And then the publicist was like you need to really focus on Google and we were like, what do you mean and she was like if I can't Google you hmm, you're kind of dead to me because I don't I'm finding someone about the reputation. I want to know, you know, what it is that they do who they work with how their point of view is. I don't want to base. The work on just your Instagram account because that's misleading. Okay. So our last question, we always like to shout out people that we love you're one of them. We've shouted you out several times and I'm cute little four episodes who are some of your fellow maybe makeup artists hairstylist people that you think that we all should be following that you really believe in there's so many great people out there and I have very fortunate to have a lot of great friends in this business. I Love Lucy red wedding, I mean, Thuds fact that we're great friends. I think that she's really talented and she has a really strong point of view. Gosh, I would I would focus on Next Generation. I would say grace on has a really incredible point of view. She's more editorial. She's in New York. She worked under Peter Phillips and Diane Kendall gosh. Yeah Susie syllable. I love Mateen. He's iconic Nick Burrows. He's so funny. Yeah, I mean there's so many great people. There's so many great people my friend Tommy bucket. There's just a lot of great fun people out there doing really amazing work and like again going back to it's just we're really lucky to be able to do this and do what we love there's been obviously so many influencers and also Instagram makeup artists who have launched their own Brands. What do you think about that? I mean, To be completely transparent. I feel like the beauty sphere is so saturated and everyone's privy to how things are made knowing that all these makeup brands are turning out so fast, no one's really the value of makeup and as a whole has definitely changed amongst people. So I think if anything what's going to set make up a part now is innovation. Yeah and ingredients. Hmm. Oh my God, you're in my head. You're in my head. I mean cuz I mean if all these brands are turning out so fast, it's like Fast fashion. Yeah, and it's like same eyeshadow palette, right same it's all contract manufactured. So it's like everyone knows where everyone's getting their makeup made Yep. They're just retooling the name the retooling the the packaging but it's all coming from The same place. So what's going to differentiate that something that's Innovative something and ingredients something that's proprietary. So I think anyone can feel their name on it make up right now and that it's just dropped the value of makeup. And I think what's happening with retail is that people are going to they're not shopping makeup like they used to because they're like, okay I can go get something that's less money that's going to give me the same payoff because they don't first and the value of that product. Yep. So I think if anything you're going to see what makeup is going to be different is if you see more Innovation with it, if you're going to see something that's not necessary packaging but it's ingredients. We were going to really look at ingredients. I think that's why you know, clean makeup is making this huge. I don't want to say come back but it's making a huge like Splash impact. Yeah, because people are really they want to know what they're putting on their face. I think that we're going to start seeing Brands going extinct soon. Oh, yeah, because there they wanted to get in they were greedy and they're like, oh beauty is a billion dollar industry. I want to get in on that on this they didn't think in terms of the Long Haul and so you're going to start seeing Brands just slowly but surely start to fade. They're not going to be around much longer and hopefully it will come full circle and it all kind of Get Back to Basics, but I say that you're in my head because I I was like actually ranting about this the other day. I'm like if you have if you're going to ask me a question about the beauty industry and the best piece of advice I could offer anyone about starting a brand it would be don't literally unless you have Innovation or you're offering something to people that they can't already get right because chances are they can already get it five different ways. Right? Absolutely. Gosh. I love this question because I can go really deep with it because the value of how we perceive makeup is changed and That's why you're not going to see these Brands being sold at a billion dollars anymore or like gazelle like millions of dollars because they're not the parent companies aren't they? Don't see the difference. Yep. Yeah, you're exactly right because there is no different. There is no different. Yeah. Yeah, and I think also like consumers to they think oh I can get like you said I can get this palette for Is it has the same Shades? They don't really understand that the reason why this one pallet costs this much isn't just because of the packaging it's because of the innovation in the formula or that the formula is actually better for you. But you know, the beauty industry is also really secretive industry and you don't want to tell people your proprietary ingredients or whatever that is. So then the lack of communication for the consumers like well, that's why I'm going to pick up this five-dollar thing instead and sure there are plenty of amazing. Only products we are not saying there aren't but there are times where I'm like, do you know where that pallet was my gosh? Yeah. Also, I'm curious because don't you think so many Brands now come out with like a pro palette, but it's not pro. It's not made the way Pro pallets were originally made to withstand long hours in the light on set on stage where ever it was now a lot of brands are like, oh, we're pro brand but I'm like no professional makeup artist would use this on site I think. Is more of a marketing totally it's not there's nothing Pro friendly about it. Huh? I would say I mean like if you want to bring it back to Pro Brands, you know, we're talking like mac. We're talking Nars. We're talking even Bobby Brown. Yeah, Laura Mercier Trish McEvoy it can get deep but at the same time even Kevin Kwan. Yeah, but I feel like those Brands now, they're trying to play catch up because Beauties move so fast. And just the way that it translates, I mean Instagram is I kind of feel like Instagram is killed Beauty. Yeah, it makes me sad when I see like really big Brands play into the Instagram Trends and it just some breaks my heart. Yeah. I know I'm like you don't have to do this, you know, you know, you know, I I'm not just saying this because you're here, but I think do your has done an amazing job of keeping appreciate you staying but then coming out with something that is totally accessible for the Instagram, it's Peter though. It's Peter Phillips. I mean, he's editorial history is beyond. Yep. And what he did when he was at Chanel was so Innovative and when he went to do our he just brought that Innovation and that creativity. Yeah. It's like I'm so lucky to be a part of that house. I'm not a big primer person. I'm obsessed with the Dior backstage primer because it feels like skin care. I put it all over my body. Yeah, it's great. No, I'm not kidding like neck bring it bring it. Down to the titties ladies because it does something to the skin on its own too, which is really nice. See that's right. He said you could wear it as like alone as an innocent. Yeah, he gave my weight. I have a fun question. Yes, if you could create one product make a product this in crib, you can answer to that like doesn't exist and you can be totally Fantastical. What would it be? Oh actually this would gosh. I'm afraid if I say it and I okay I made. Go with your next stop. Yeah, not the one that you can make for reals. Oh, that's a really great question. I have to lie under thinking. Oh, yeah. I have one. Yeah tell tell a story is 5 I would make a foundation that balanced your hormones. So help get rid of melasma. That's it. That's a Fantastical answer. Okay, because that's literally impossible to do but, you know someone new Singing never get with me. We can go in it together. The other one is a gel eyeliner that you can apply to your waterline. That truly does not budge or move. It won't transfer to your lower lash line. I've tried so many. My go-to has he tried the Japanese ones. Oh, no, it was you. Oh easy, but I get all my Japanese eyeliners at little in Little Tokyo. He when I'm here do you? Yeah, there's this story. Or that it's nothing but just like k-beauty J Beauty and I get my eyeliners there. Okay. I'm going to take you with me because I go on those stores, but then I don't know. I'm like do I just buy everything because I don't know and that's like a cross from a bakery. Is it like in yes, okay. Yes. We used to live like right there. Oh, yeah. It's like I kind of can't remember the brand but it's like a 24-hour no smudge. No because I use Bobby Brown like the gel liner on my top waterline just to make my lashes. Look fuller and I loved it but it always transfers to my lower lash line and then kind of smudges and then I'll get my inner corner and I it does stay on the longest but it's not truly 100% Like have you ever tried using mascara in your waterline as a liner? I tried it one time but I don't think I was the best at it and I also am not sure I wore it was the best mascara for okay, you need a waterproof like a waterproof. Okay? Yeah because it's the dry down. So fast, so what I do is I take a flat brush, huh? It's a flat eyeliner brush that do are makes and I'll dip it into the Dior show waterproof and I'll lift the lid up and dab it into the water line and it dries really fast great and that gives you so you don't see the skips. Yeah. That's right. Yes. That's a look at Daniel making your dreams come true. Wow. I don't even have to invent a product now. Okay. Mine is a mascara. That would give me my lash extensions. Ha ha ha wasn't that wasn't there a mascara that did tubes like that. I know what you're talking about. Okay, but I think our Blake would you look okay blink tubes? Yeah. It's not the same one that it's like this mascara where you would put it on pump it and then when you applied it, it literally looks like it was growing at your lashes, but we get superstream. Yes, but it wasn't it wasn't a good luck. It will looks like like Harry lashes. Is it was gross or if someone can just invent lash extensions that would last like months. Do you want eyelash and plan? Yeah, it's something that I would invest. I will be a guinea pig I go. I mean we talked work on it and work on it. Maybe I'll like give you lash implants myself just like a perfect great. I'm sure Matt is can't weld with that. He's like don't need my vision not just as long as my eyes look good. Wait. Wait, do you have one? We don't want like, how do you spell your secret? No, it's not a secret, but I Do this hack where if there's like a like a deep cystic pimple? Huh? I'll use cortisone gel and eyeshadow primer to cover that up before I put concealer on top of it. So the cortisone gel. It's like a barrier and it protects the pimple and also treats it exactly. Okay, and then I'll lay eyeshadow primer on top of it to kind of like Smooth it out and because eyeshadow primers so dry. It just it's almost like a like a film. Okay, it just locks on top of it. Then I can go over it with concealer and Foundation. It doesn't move. So if I could create a two in one product with that treatment would be incredible. That would be amazing. But cortisone is an OTC so you don't usually use yeah. Yeah that in cosmetics It's a Good Hat cam love it right next to it. We love it. Okay one last question before we have to end this lovely conversation. Who is your dream client? I mean you work on a lot of dream clients. Yeah, what is there anyone that you're like one of these days it would be cool. If I could do this person to make up gosh, I my dream client would be Tilda Swinton. That's a good one realistic because she's my vibe like she's just sophisticated Chic she's strong. She's androgynous, but she the way that I love how she wears makeup. Yeah, and I feel like she's just I would yeah, that makes us happy secret. You just said it out loud now it's going to happen. So I hope so can't we add a festive? Yes, Daniel. Thank you so much so much fun. And where can I find you? You can find me at the dock now. I'm just kidding dollar store in Little Tokyo in Little Tokyo. Just my Instagram, I guess Daniel Martin. Yeah, great. You're lucky. I was able to get that. Yeah. Thanks Eva. Yeah. Yeah way to go Eva Chen. Yeah, awesome. We could not thank you anymore. Really guys. This is so much fun. Really fun informative. Come back. I would totally come back we could do like a field trip episode where we go to Little Tokyo. We made I would be awesome. I would totally do that. We'll call your people totally. Okay guys, thank you so much for listening to this episode of gloss Angeles. As always, please like our Instagram page gloss underscore Angeles and Subscribe to us on Apple podcast Stitcher, and we're on Spotify to and almost there leave us a review, please if you like us if you don't then just if you're still listening, I swear not to love us. So yeah, please make sure that you send us a little love. Yeah on the in the comment section. 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Our first guest had to be epic, right? Please welcome to Gloss Angeles the incomparable Daniel Martin! Daniel is a renowned makeup artist whose career spans decades — his work has been featured everywhere, from the pages of Vogue and Vanity Fair to backstage at all of the fashion weeks, to some of the most famous and most beautiful mugs in Hollywood, including Jessica Alba and Elisabeth Moss, and yes — the Duchess of Sussex herself, Meghan Markle. He is also a Brand Ambassador for Dior Beauty and the Creative Color Consultant for Honest Beauty. Daniel dropepd by the studio to chat about all things beauty: his time assisting THE Pat McGrath, why he believes the hands are the best tool for makeup application, what most people do wrong with their makeup, how to properly cover a pimple, and, of course. the Royal Wedding! Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/Gloss_Angeles Shop all of our product lists: http://www.shopstyle.com/shop/GlossAngeles Shop Kirbie’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/Kirbie-Johnson Shop Sara’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/saratan Gloss Angeles is co-hosted by Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan. Our editor is Patrick Muldowney. 