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So stay tuned you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look the effect of birth after birth. Stevia. We are back you guys another week of Gotham's so excited. I think this is by far my favorite episodes so far. We have a lot to cover. I'm your host para Beltran and I'm joined by my lovely co-host act Peter. Hello. Hello. Hello. How are you doing Zach? I'm good. I was a little disappointed to see Gordon go back to leaks. It's like going back to the ex that you're just like no don't do it, but I'm here for Mama Babs. Okay, well, We all know how I feel about that comment. So let's get started with all friend. Yes, you guys apparently offered was missing for five days too many days five days bruised without all four and five days is like not Bruce, you know, I feel like whenever you think of Bruce you think of all fried because he's his like I've been told to yeah, I'd so his right-hand man. It's like losing your Hand. Yeah, seriously What did you think of? Yeah, what did you think of the fact that he was just like in like being captured by Jeremiah this entire time that I was actually he didn't Escape so okay. How did he not Escape as my first question. I know it is like the best. Yeah and so shocked that he stayed hidden for so long. Actually. I'm answering my own question because he did mention that tetch hypnotized him. So do we think that he was No ties throughout the whole four days or did he know was he not hypnotized? Sometimes I think I mean touch probably Alfred so smart that I'm sure Jeremiah knew that the only way to keep him under wraps would be to have touch it touch it because them from from the get-go. Otherwise Alfred would have outsmarted the situation unlike broken free. Exactly. Well speaking of which tetch was back you guys and I think I am so excited that this character came back. I think out of all of the characters have come back so far. He's by far my favorite. Really. Yeah, why small characters? We didn't even see much of him. We saw him in like one seen a well here in this episode a half. Yes, but I don't know. I like I like his riddles. I like his Rhymes. I like how he hypnotizes people and I think it's really cool. I mean, it's quite he can make anybody do anything that they want to do which is I mean why he's not running Gotham is like hello. You can link run this city, homie, but I think when Lee and Gordon were trying to manipulate him and trying to play with his mind by saying he's just a side character. He's more of just like he's not the Top Gun villain. I think they're right and he's not the Top Gun villain. He has the potential to be and like the power to be but like just isn't never be a leader. Yeah. Well, actually I was going to to say one of the characters that I would have probably Blee like prefer to see in this and this whole show would would have probably been Pig but I'm pretty sure that pig is like dead slaughtered. Yeah, he's bacon now, but before I forget you guys, we wanted to go ahead and do a special segment today. And the question is going to be you guys can go ahead and answer this throughout the chat. Yeah, so we will maybe do a portrait you like what's going to happen, but we wanted to ask you guys do we think Gordon? And Lee are endgame or Barbara. Mmm and Gordon our endgame. I think after this episode, I'm not really sure I might have to say my own answer. Once we go back to the special segment. Yes guys waiting on the chat. Let us know what you think Babs orale ABS or link. Well, we already know I think for at the table Seth. Yeah. We're yeah, there's a line drawn in the sand on the desk. This frosted glass desk. I'm obviously team Barbara and I'm obviously team Lee so and we made our hair match. I make sure to go short and blonde and she made sure to get Lee's look down. Well, since we are in the topic, they're getting lit Carla. They're excited. Yes. I loved UPS bad's lie only has one vote so far. Okay, Barbara Barbara Barbara Barbara, Barbara is winning right now. Okay. Well, we'll see. Well, that's yeah you guys still you have Chance to vote vote live in the live chat. Okay. So since we are on the topic of them, what do you think about Barbara asking lie to be her doctor? I mean, I got it. I actually thought it was a big move of Barbara to like put her ego and pride aside and be like look, you're the best doctor here in Gotham. You're going to take over, you know, my care and my baby's care and I thought that was big of her especially considering. You know, I think in the past Barbara would have done this is like a power move to play with Lee and kind of mess with our head and be like, I'm the top dog here and I'm going to you know run circles around you but I think she genuinely sucked it up and you know, despite the fact that this is Gordon's Santa Barbara's still sort of obsessed with Gordon the fact that she had the nerve to ask her and like had to and she seemed very humble about it. And she was Honest by saying she thinks that leaves the best doctor in Gotham and she wanted the best for her baby. I'm actually going to disagree with you on the comment that you said about Barbara being obsessed with Gordon because Barbara says that she doesn't want Gordon to be a part of the pregnancy or like a her child. She says that this was like over once he put his pants back on so to me that Makes it seem like he like she doesn't really want him to be in the picture. And if you guys in the chat think otherwise, let me know but I feel like that's what I got from it. So I think that right now we're seeing a different side of Barbara and we're seeing like Mom Barbara come out where she's like, you know what I don't care that you had a relationship with my ex because at this point he's both of our X right now. All I care about is just my child and the well-being of my child and clearly she's league as the only good doctor there right now. So I think that she's just Out of pure like not Joy, but just like like penis and for her baby. Yes. Basically she's putting her baby first other than you know before any other feelings which is growth for for her for her. Well, not and speaking about her feelings. We also should touch about the fact that Barbara had the opportunity to kill penguin, like literally penguin was defenseless. He was not armed neither was Ed and she Didn't do it. Hmm. She's great. She's becoming a new woman you guys maybe like this part of Barber. I kind of do I mean I love don't get me wrong. Like I love bad ass Barbara that has her guns ready? And she will, you know cut you if you mess with her, I love that Barbara but I like this new softer side of her I guess because you know, she has a baby inside of her that like, you don't want her going around shooting blowing people's brains out. That's this is true. The baby's boring than like she'll bounce back. I'm going to become like protect like protective mom and she's probably going to do anything and everything to protect her child, which basically makes sense. I loved how it ended. That was a really cute scene with her and Ed and penguin. Yeah, she's just like call me when the submarines built. I'm honestly really loving the scenes that are doing with like all these different characters and I am I really am enjoying it for sure. And what do you think about her not wanting gym in the picture? I mean, I think had this been Barbara a season or two ago. She would have really wanted Gordon and be a part of it because she did have that like deep obsession with of for him. But I think I don't know. I think she wants to be single and independent and she wants to raise this baby on her own. Obviously. She didn't plan on getting pregnant with Jim but it happened and I think she knows that maybe him and her aren't compatible. They're not going to be successful in a relationship than her can be Spokeo parents and she just knows that they have very different philosophies about certain things that she wants to raise this baby all on her own the way she wants to do it. We know Barbara loves to take to be in control. I totally agree since we are in the topic of penguin and Barbara and Ed you guys Ed Enigma are back together. They're going to build a submarine to get out of Gotham. Mmmm. There we feel about this. I mean, I feel like it's a lot of work and they don't have a lot of men like penguin got really lost a lot of his the his loyal men and then we killed a few of them testing them getting out of Gotham. Yeah, I think it's going to take a long time to figure this one out. Okay, so clearly the submarines going to take a long time. But how do we actually feel about them being back together and working as a team do we think that's going to work out this time or is it going to be the same way how it always ends where they end up badly? I think it's going to I think they're entering into this new like re reboot of the relationship. So to speak to just get out of The Gotham I think they're solely focused on what their plans are to which are getting off of the island and getting out of Gotham. But I think that they're going to end up rekindling that relationship less you I think they're going to end a recount rekindling their friendship and it's going to end up working out in the long run. I think they're going to be good team members for the foreseeable future. Well, I actually prefer Ed Enigma band together than penguin and Selena and piecing together how completely I think as of tonight that Relationship is over Selena. I was such a penguin hearing. It really was it was an odd pairing. It was very interesting to see them together at least for like an episode and a half. But now that Selena almost tried killing penguin today. I'm pretty sure we won't see them back together anytime soon. Probably not but Carla before we dive deep into penguin and Selena cuz I'm so excited to dive into penguin and Selena. I'm also excited to share you guys that we have so many great after shows here at AfterBuzz TV you're watching our Sci-fi channel where you can catch Gotham and other shows like this on Fox and other networks that you may love. 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So, please hit that subscribe button on iTunes and leave us a five-star review because you love Carl and I and you miss Steve and you want them to come back and he'll be back next week. So thank you for joining us and thank you for helping us stop. Say the ESP n of T v-- talk yo. We do miss Steve at but he will be back next week you guys taking the throne we with a with a tan. He was like think that Disney Worlds. Oh really his best life, but I'm sure he's keeping up with Gotham all the way from Florida. I sure hope he was I'm happy to your earlier point. I'm definitely happy that Selena and penguin are squashed it done. Yeah, me too. I think that it was great to see them together because If you like at this point where we're putting all the characters together, but now it's done. We're moving on now at a nigga more back together, which is awesome. I didn't add an enigma or a great Duo and Selina and Bruce or a great Duo. So I'm happy that everybody went back to where they belong - Gordon because he does not belong with late. I think we're I think we said we said Enigma and we met Ed in penguin penguin penguin there. You guys know what we mean. Yes, okay. Let's dive in to the juiciness of this episode. Mmm. I don't even know where to begin with Jeremiah's master plan. I think this is the last and final plan that will see Jeremiah make I don't know that we'll see him do something else after he we do know that I saw on Instagram I was bad. And if you guys don't want any spoilers do not search the hashtag Gotham because you actually see the third the third Roker you come to live like you see what he looks like. Oh, it was like, oh like let me just go see you to like prepare for like the show was like, oh my gosh, like I hate the internet part. Oh my God everything. Have you guys seen it? Let us know. In the live chat, seeing it in live chat you guys what I mean if you haven't seen it and you don't want to see it do not want to search hashtag Gotham. But because you will see the last and final look for Jeremiah, so I don't know they will get to see another plan that the this new Jeremiah or this new Joker whatever his I'm pretty sure his name will still be Jeremiah, but he'll technically be fully Joker. I don't know that what gets you into the master. He's like melted off though that now I'm like shocked to see what Exactly because of the chemicals remember how we were saying that hope maybe that was going to happen and like we've if you guys have seen like this do they mold a new face on him for the like all the makeup was must be like crazy for that. Okay, he was he's not Jeremiah though. He's no Jerome died. He is Jeremiah. He is Jakey what they keep switching the Joker's on us and the names are so similar that they're throwing me. He's still Maya but I mean, I guess this is him really fully becoming the Joker right? I mean at this point, there's only fairly fine. Whoa, I found the photos. Yeah. Wow, that is like I told you I told you you guys we're not making this any better because it probably makes you want to go see the oh my gosh. I thought about actually having it be here for news and gossip, but why don't want to Oil it for people so I rather them go see it themselves. I don't like it. It's not like it's so weird. It's great. That is wild you guys he looks like a completely new person. Like it doesn't look anything like like they made Jerome and Jeremiah look similar like they did they were drastically the yeah, they were twins. But like with the you know, they still made them look very alike. Hmm. Do you have a preference on which of the Joker's you've liked? Like the look I think Jared the second Joker Jeremiah Jeremiah is definitely my before he melted was my favorite because this new one is like you guys have to look it up. Yeah. So I definitely prefer the second Jeremiah with like the makeup. I think he did really great and we were able to see Cameron's like Expressions when he was like acting and I think it was definitely by far my favorite especially because like he didn't have the scars. Yeah, so the scars are like a huge huge thing for the Joker. But like just seeing this is seeing him being like this was like I really enjoyed it in this episode in this episode. Yeah. Hmm, I agree. Okay. So Ivan Soto says that it's a very controversial Joker look, but he likes it. He's actually here for it Spirit hero to wants to know if Echo will be getting a new look to what she wasn't necessarily like her face to get melted off. I think she'll be okay. I think the reason why they would be asking that is because in Aside Squad when the Joker jumps in this in the chemical waste she jumps after him too. But I think in this one she wasn't there. No, she wasn't which okay, I'm gonna go straight to this because I was very upset that like kind of how it all happened. I wanted not that I wanted Bruce to be the one to like throw him in the chemical waste, but I wanted it. I wanted the fight to last longer because I've been waiting for the scene like I've been waiting for them to come together and have this Moment and like I don't like how he was just like how Bruce just like moved and then the Joker found. Yeah, I think someone in the live chat just said that to that it felt it was a stocking. Yeah. It was too quick. That's exactly the comment that they said was he fell too quick that it was anti-climatic. Yeah. It was too quick that I feel like if the whole episode and the whole like all of Gotham has been leading up to this moment that we've all been waiting like In is a huge character, but Jeremiah is a character that we've been getting I believe since I think German were drunk men like Seasons. Yeah, but Jerome came in at least some came in probably I want to say by the third season you guys come corrects us if we're wrong, but he's been a huge part of it and he's always will be a huge part of it. So I feel like I just wanted a little bit more of action and I wanted to be like interesting. Okay. Well Ivan sewed on the live chat says that Bruce Never throws the Joker into the vat The Joker has always fallen by mistake from the comics. Okay, so that's a that's a traditional so thing and that's fine and I get that because I think I get it because I don't see Bruce's the type to want to kill the Joker even though he dislikes him, but I agreed the scene happened too fast. Yes, like Bruce had just chased him into a race and they were just starting to fight and then before we know it Jeremih happens to slip and fall into yeah. A bit like and they didn't actually fully get into like fighting mode. I wanted this moment. I wanted to see Bruce just going to be like, I can't believe you try to re-enact my parents death and then you almost killed like wow and lie like Clary race as we saw Jerome in season 1 episode 16. Yes, very early one. I think he's yeah Jerome was very very early on and he's been present basically for almost every season if he comes in for like at least Two episodes, but he's been there. I think that should be our Poll for next week. Which of the three Joker's and we'll pull up their photos live on the show. That's I like that and we'll have each so you guys can actually start voting don't vote in the live chat. But once the stream is up vote in the comments on YouTube so that we can tally them and and come into next week announce who you guys think is the best Joker we've seen so far because this new one is as a little much for me. What are the chat say that have they seen the the new Joker couple of them have seen it others too? Who wants what I like is that yeah, I don't think they want spoilers. I think yeah, not many people in the live chat have seen it yet. Jeremiah is officially the frickin joke or yes. He is totally is here for it. And then in terms of our poll that we asked at the top of the show everybody is voting for Barbara. Everybody's vote. Hey guys, wait for the Of segment, this is not I'm just I'm just telling you you're not winning. This one guys. Keep voting for Barbara. He's voting for Barbara in the live chat. Okay. Well since we're talking about Barbara, let's move on to lie. Okay, and the only reason why I want to talk about Lee is because what did you think did you see this coming when so Jeremiah the big act for this? Episode is that Jeremiah wants to reenact the night where Bruce's parents were killed and it turns out to be that towards the end. It's Lee and Jim were you surprised where I was completely that one? I did not see coming. Okay, I really thought it was going to be the couple that he could then I will say that I did not like that. It wasn't because we suspected that that strange was involved and that he's the one that kind of brought that hit the parents back to. If we thought it was like a deep thought out plan where like they dug them up from the grave and like somehow use magic or something to bring them back to life. And so we now realize that wasn't the case. He actually just found two random people that he gave plastic surgery to really look like Bruce's parents. It didn't love that plan. I really wanted them to do something like just really Gotham me and crazy and bring the parents back to life and some wild way which we didn't get which I was a little disappointed about Out but and then I was also disappointed that we didn't see him actually killed those people or doing it like we didn't see what happened to them. Like we just they just disappeared and then all of a sudden we were shocked with a gorgeously and to kill somebody or get or have them get away. Like I just wanted some resolution to this poor random couple but we find out that they were killed off screen and we don't even see what happens to them other than they are gone and now but I did love the twist of mixing and Lee and Gordon instead. Well you see when You know how you were saying how we were saying like, oh, he brought like they were going to bring dig up the parents and he was just gonna do something crazy when he said I like before the grand reveal that it was like Lee and Jim I thought like I was like, oh my gosh. This is it. He was strange did it. I was like, it's his Perry and like they did. I thought the same thing I thought okay. This is the twist that it really is a phantom this could happen. Yeah. He did this and through Bruce off by using to random strangers, but now we're going to see that they really brought the parents. Yeah, and then it was Lee and garden. I was like, whoa. Yeah. I was a Twist. I definitely did not see that coming not ah, um one thing that made me really sad in this episode was Wayne Manor totally blew up. I was sad to see Wayne Manor go. I didn't think they were actually going to blow it up. Like where's Boris gonna live now? Like it's he needs a new mansion He needs like a bat cave underground which we thought we saw. At the beginning of the series. Yeah, and clearly that wasn't the bad cave because it's now it's gone. Now. It's about Mansion is gone. The Batcave was blown up like everything was just blown to Smithereens. Do you think that before this the season ends will see them like break open it back up. Um, probably well, I don't think we'll see the same Wayne Manor, but I think he'll find like another Mansion the heel by he'll get they'll be another Wayne Manor and there will be a reveal of a bat cave by The indices series. I like believe that will happen. What was your favorite part about this episode my favorite part about this episode. I actually really like the Barbara scenes only because it really humanized her and made her more than just this evil villainous, especially because in the earlier Seasons when she first became evil, she was just wild and crazy and like off her rocker that it's nice to kind of see her come full circle where I think not a lot of the characters have That like penguin for the most part. He had his Peak when he left Fish Mooney and stayed pretty stagnant Ed nygma, you know had his little moments where he was struggling with the Riddler and struggling with his dual personalities The Joker I think has evolved physically in many different ways. And obviously the character itself has changed from Jerome to Jeremiah and now he's like this creepy monster melted thing. Where's Barbara? We really saw her grow from not being a villain. Owen Beane Jim's fiance then she became cuckoo crazy then she became this, you know boss then she was brought back to life and became like this super-powered villain and then you know now we're then she was humbled back when Tabatha was killed and then she was running The Vixens like she I think has had the biggest growth overall and now we see her as a mom and we see her being a little softer. So I liked watching her this episode because we got to see that fully developed a new Version, you know that you say that I hadn't realized like how much Pereira has gone through this whole like show and in comparison to the other villains. I don't think any of them have had a transformation of that magnitude. Oh not at all because she's and she's been through so many stages. That's crazy. Mhm like you yeah because like even if you think even the ones that were reborn like butch or like Jerome and Jeremiah and the Joker like they were reborn or they were They changed physically but when she was reborn she was exactly the same and and she developed internally. Well, I think Gotham was able to realize like the bar has a really important character to the storyline and it's important for us to keep her in them. We're really glad that they think that baby what lie is getting some votes now Carla. Oh, there we go. Well, yeah what I would say it was my favorite part for this episode was really just seeing Jeremiah like melt no, In the house when he comes up and he's like, oh we have a special guest. I think that acting is a beautiful art and when somebody's actually like able to get into a character, so well, you're just like in awe of like how like this person prepared so much. They have a lot of talent and just seeing him like reenact the whole day and just kind of being there. I was like, I love him like really like he was I really Enjoy just watching Jeremiah this whole like episode. So I did too. I think he again we saw him and he didn't fail to bring this evil mastermind that he's proven himself to be time and time again and you know the fact that he thought out to like put together this plan to make Bruce relive the night his parents died and he found these people and did this and that to me is so like the the the obsession is so deep with him and Bruce. That it's like that is like deep that like you need to see a therapist home because like that's that's a lot. Well, I love the human rights to have some sort of connection with Burroughs. I think that's like so I don't know. I mean at some point he just needs to let it go like Bruce ones nothing to do with him. Yeah, but without the Joker there is no Batman. That's true. That's true. Hey work together. Okay you guys it is Time for our special segment. Yeah. Okay. Are we ready to see so in case you tuned in a little bit later our special segment was who do you guys ship? Who do you guys think is going to be endgame do we think it's going to be Jim and Barbara or it's going to be Jim and Lee we're going to be going through the comments and seeing who wins for now I will state the reason why I think Lee should be in game. First of all, can we just talk about like the passion? That was done in this episode firstly slaps Gordon and then she starts kissing him. I mean no, I've honestly really always been a big fan of this this relationship. I think that Lee was the partner that was able to be with Jim through the worst. Like my mom always says, like you'll find who truly cares about you when you're in a hospital bed, and when you're in jail and likely was there for a gym when he went to jail. Also, I feel like that's that's a like a beautiful relationship. I okay. And yeah, I don't know I totally and also I fought for them when we I did a show called to uShip here on AfterBuzz and I totally fought for Lee and Gordon and I was like, I'm still 14 million Gordon guys got now is your chance to put in your final votes. So, is that what do you think? It should be Barbara? I think because for the argument that I think I laid out a few minutes ago about Barbara. Growth, you know, we saw her. I mean they started off together. This was his fiancee. They had love together. Now, they're having a baby together like when there's love and there's baby. I mean granted he also lovely and she also got pregnant and that didn't work out but we don't want to talk about that. I just think that Barbara has come full circle. She's made a 180. She's crazy. Just like Jim has this inner dark crazy that everyone's always talking about that. I think they are just like the perfect. Match for each other where I think Lee is too good for Jim. Okay, I think Ali is too good for Jim. I think we deserve somebody else. I think they are good friends and Lee is a good like Confidant for Gordon, but I think in terms of like shipping him with someone it's definitely Barbara and I like you and I like your idea the live chat agrees with me. Ooh, but James James In the live chat James Davis says Barbara dies before the finale. I mean, I think that's more of a production than a spoiler. But I have a feeling that she's going to die while when she gives birth. Mmm. I'm yeah I everyone has yeah, I think that is a very realistic one Ivan. Soda says Barbara can handle Gordon's Darkness Lea never could yeah, this is true Nicholas Callie says, I think the gym is going to be single for the rest of his life. Life said that was not an option Nicholas since both women are going to have very little interaction with him in the future. I mean in the comics Barbara ends up with him. Oh ends up leaving Gotham while Lee goes fully into her medical career and dates out for it. That's a plot twist and becomes Bruce and Batman's personal doctor and Nicholas says bore Barbra. Joan. Gordon will be the baby's name. So everyone so Barbara leaves everyone? I'm not sure that's a theory that's in the comics the Barbara leaves and we see that they're setting that appearing the Barbara's going to leave too. I think that yeah, I have a feeling that okay before I even get to it. Let's just go ahead and dive into predictions together. I think several predictions AfterBuzz TV production. Okay. What do you think is gonna happen Okay, so I will say we know that My Swan you guys will see her predictions you guys can go ahead and say your predictions on the live chat will go ahead and read them to close up the show. So what I think with Barbara is going to be either two things either Barbara is going to pass during birth because of one of the chemicals may be something that's going to happen with in Gotham or to penguin and Ed are going to help her Escape because of the baby and like towards the end like we know that a war is coming at the end. The end we don't really know who the war is against word thinking it's going to be against Walker and Bane and I think that at this moment since Barbara is going to be working with nygma and penguin. I think that they're going to be like, hey, you know, what like you have a baby coming you need to be saved get on here and go and that's maybe how wil like will be the end of Barbara and like we probably won't I don't know that we'll see baby the baby come to the show, but I feel like that's maybe how we get none. Only rid of our row, but that's how we would say goodbye to Barbara and the show, okay. I completely disagree with you and I will tell you why penguin and nygma don't build the submarine and they don't get off the island and we know this because the opening scene of this season was them with Gordon and some giant battle which appears to still be on in Gotham. So I don't think that they ever make it out of Gotham until counted help her leave. I don't think they help her leave. I think I'm siding with the theory that she dies. Giving labor, I think yeah, unfortunately, I don't think Barbara makes it past the the series finale even though I'm sad to say that and sad to see her go. I think she dies at during labor. And then Jim has to raise the baby on his own because Lily's not gonna want to raise that baby. I mean come on. Why would she want to waste a born with powers? Oh, okay. Well, there are some predictions Erik Olson says Clayface is coming in the next episode Spirit hero thinks Scarface has come. Yeah, they think Clayface Scarface are all coming and Killer Croc are going to cause Havoc next week. Since they are the be ranked Gotham City Rogues who Ivan so does excited to see that Riddler cut his hair. In this episode next week predictions next week. Okay, Mohammed agrees Barbara dies after giving birth after the birth of Batgirl. So Mohammad thinks they're having a girl that girl Ivan soda. Thanks Ivy is returning and she infects Bruce and Selina looks for help. No don't bring IV back. Yeah, no less. No more IV. We can eat we can table her. She had a cameo in the finale. I think we're good without IV. I don't think we need Me anymore. No, I think she's served her purpose. So yeah, everyone seems to agree what happened in the in the previews were like next week Stroh Nicholas Callie thinks that while Jeremiah is recovering in the hospital and eventually he's going to be shipped off to our Command Echo will finally go by her real name and work at Arkham. This is based off of what happened in Batman the Animated Series, I like that idea because she's technically a doctor right? She's supposed to be a doctor or nurse or a nurse or anything. Well I'm thinking about I Squad when she's like the doctor she's like his hair Crist, who do you think is cloning everybody because we see next week in the previews. Youkai c-clown suck there is the Barbara clone Jeremiah you think Jeremiah is cloning people? Yes. No. Yeah. I mean most of the food the only other person walking outside and has no brain activity. I have to give him a minute to get it together. He needs some physical therapy before he starts masterminding clone, but you know what you said last week. What did I say last week last week you were like, you know, whenever we think we're on top of Jeremiah Jeremiah is 10 steps ahead. And I think that Jeremiah planned for out said no, but he planned for a larger plan than just like. Oh, this is like, I don't think his master plan was just like, oh really, like reliving poison the city. Yeah to poison the city and then just reliving the night of like Bruce's parents passing. Yep. So, I think that Barbara obviously is cloned we do see that I can oh Everyone's saying that this is Clayface that clay faces coming back as Barbara. Because I guess Clayface is a villain. Yeah, everyone saying Clayface he hid his body under the coast. It would look it wouldn't look as masculine. Okay, so clayface's the villain that can change his face. I'm assuming I'm not as familiar with the Gotham Comics guys. You can weigh in Greece and remind us who Clayface is some a fan of the Gotham series, but I'm not a fan I have I wasn't a true follower of the Original Classic Comics Clayface I do. Does sound familiar but if you guys can give us a refresh people are saying that that's definitely clay face that that is the Barbara clone. So I'm assuming clayface's it is a villain that can turn his face into different people people because they're saying he's hiding his body and he's hiding his body so that it won't look masculine. That's why Barbara was wearing the coat. Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. Jeremiah's final look is apparently based off Earth to Joker interesting Clayface is a shape-shifter with the bility around elasticity and abilities. Yep. Yes, we've seen him before Zach open. Thank you Ivan soda. Okay Clayface. So that's that's the theory they said a and the live chat that there isn't we're not cloning people it but it's Clayface that's molding his face into Barbara. Well, I guess we'll go ahead and have to find out next week. We'll have to find out next week because there are two Barbara's so I love Barbara now, they're giving me to Barbara's. I'm like, okay, you're gonna be full of vibrant. Here. We are. Well you guys Thank you so much for tuning in tonight Zack work in the people find you. 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It’s a showdown to see whether Lee or Barbara will win Jim Gordon’s heart! Jeremiah is back in full action to win Bruce’s affection with the revival of Bruce’s greatest trauma, losing his parents. Penguin and Nygma are together again, Selina and Bruce have reunited and all seems well in Gotham… for now. Karla Beltran and Zack Peter break it all down! RSS Feed: http://www.afterbuzztv.com/aftershows/gotham-afterbuzz-tv-aftershow/feed/ ABOUT GOTHAM: Gotham is an American crime television series developed by Bruno Heller, based on characters published by DC Comicsand appearing in the Batman franchise, primarily those of James Gordon and Bruce Wayne. The series stars Ben McKenzieas the young Gordon, while Heller executive produces along with Danny Cannon, who also directed the pilot. As originally conceived, the series would have served as a straightforward story of Gordon's early days on the Gotham City Police Department. The idea evolved not only to include the Wayne character, but also to tell the origin stories of several Batman villains, including the Penguin, the Riddler, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, the Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, Hugo Strange and the Joker. 