Hi, Sarah. Hi Kirby. Welcome to gloss Angeles brought to you by hum nutrition. So I've been taking their supplements for a while now, but Kirby I want to know what are you currently obsessed with? Okay. So I love glow sweet glow. It's a great supplement if you have dry or dehydrated skin and are looking to give yourself a glow amazing. So I read that it has hyaluronic acid in it, which as we hopefully all know is a humectant that attracts water which is why it's great. Gradient for skincare, right? Yeah, so it actually has a Loman that molecular say that five times fast hyaluronic acid, which is always a great way to hydrate your skin bones joints Etc from the inside out. We know that it's great for skin care, but it's also great to take or Elite. So Sarah did you know that Capricorns tend to deal with joint issues? This is a very scientific fact yet since ha is naturally found in our bodies as a lubricant for our joints. I always feel a little bit better to my joints for taking it. I did not know. Thank you Kirby. I also read that it has vitamin C in E and A Mia fruit in it totally. So Amia fruit is a fruit. That's actually very potent with vitamin C. Also it contains absorbing acid all great things to make your skin glow e so for those people who are a little skeptical about taking supplements. Do you have any tips Kirby? Of course, so in the jar that you're going to get there are 60 vegan gummies that will last you over 30 days and it's actually proven that if you take 120 to 240 milligrams per day of Hyaluronic acid for at least one month that you will significantly see an increase in skin moisture and reduce your dry skin, which is awesome. And this is from an established medical journal PubMed Central. So we're not lying and these gummies actually have 120 milligrams per serving size of two gummies. So when I wake up in the morning, I make my cup of tea by the Keurig and then I just popped two little gummies in my mouth and I'm good to go amazing. Yeah. So I've also taken these before and they taste so Delicious. Yeah, they they actually do that's why that's like half the battle is enjoying what you're taking. So that's really part of the reason why I like taking them. They truly tastes like a citrus fruit. So they're a little bit tart. They have minimal sugar, but they're still really really nice to eat. If you guys want to learn more about glow sweet glow or any other Home nutrition products. Check out hum nutrition.com. Thanks, huh? Whoo. Okay, so we have beauty news this week. There's been a lot of things going on some of them not necessarily new new but I think they're worth discussing right? Yeah. So let's talk about tati Beauty. Let's discuss tati launched her palate on October 25th. For those of you who are not familiar. Yeah tati. Westbrook is a huge Beauty YouTuber. Yep, you may recognize her name from some earlier drama this year. Yes, the scandal with James Charles and Jeffree Star. He has a supplement brand. Yep, Halo Beauty, but now she's finally Taking the dive. Yeah, so she launched Topsy Beauty, which is a Cosmetics line and she came out with this palette and she called said that she calls him textured neutrals. So they're all kind of in this like really wearable color family, but then she has like straight-up glitter. She has Shimmer Matt's she has something that she calls like a sequin she told like a mat with Shimmer and fused into it, which I found really interesting long story short. She sold out. Out and we know that out in 12 hours. That's crazy. That's crazy. And I was asking Sarah what does sold out actually mean because we are constantly talking about this. What is it mean when a Brands like we sold out like, okay. Did you move 2,000 units right? What did it's like the Kylie Cosmetics kkw Beauty model where it's like the drop the we don't know exactly how many units they have. It could just Be a hundred. But yeah, so I'm really curious if anybody wants to give us some Intel on that but tati revealed that her products are made and manufactured here in the United States and that it was important for her to have them manufactured here. And can you guess who the manufacturer is? Did we just kind of give you a little hint? Yes. We did. It's seed Beauty and Seed overseas colour-pop most Ably, actually not most notably Kylie Cosmetics kkw I mean she's in good company and and if anyone knows how to do a drop its seed seed seed is awesome because they're based here in Los Angeles. I would love to go to the Factory and then check everything out at some point. But I remember when colour-pop first, you know came onto the scene. Everybody was obsessed with the fact that you could just buy product online and It here in the United States and it didn't cost an arm and a leg and the quality was really great. And also they were able to turn Trends into products almost immediately exactly and they were so affordable. It's so affordable and I actually made when colour-pop first came out. They had a party where you could make and your own eyeshadow and I made my own and I thought it was the most magical thing ever that you could pick and choose what you want. I don't think they have that option right now. But I feel like at some point seed is going to incorporate it into their website where you can go online and like actually create your own eyeshadow or blush or whatever it is. They definitely should if they have they're not planning on doing that already. If we made a gloss Angeles product, what would it be it would be like without this? I think it would be like a sunset like a Los Angeles Sunset, but what it'd be like a blush or a palette or a lip. I feel like it would be well, I obviously love a lip, but I Highlighter I was going to say I actually was leaning more towards like a blush highlighter do oh, yeah, because I think it's something because we both we are similar and different like yeah, you have your eyelash extensions. So while I love to make a mascara, like I'm never using it and you're not a big lip person. I am. Yeah, I'd be like can it be like a clear nude? Like I want it to be like a bold pink. Yeah, right. So I was thinking about that the other day. I'm like what if a brand came to us and was like gloss Angeles private. Bob would be such a dream and I feel because if you do it because it's a LOL. I love their Super Shock. Yep. That's like my favorite highlighter. So do the breaking Beauty girls. So guess we talked about that. Hmm. So yeah seed Beauty. They they know what's up and on the note of how many did they sell out of totty said that they sold out they had 100,000 units and they sold out so liar the money signs. Do you hear the cash register and that was literally just the pre-sale no one has tried the product except for a few of the YouTubers, right? Yeah, so literally people are just buying it because they love her that's insane and good for her. I like that. She kind of showed the receipts on that too. Mmm because the big thing right now is telling people that you're selling out of stuff and like making up numbers and it's like well, where's the part facts here? Like, let me see a document that proves all this so good patottie. I'm curious just from our own audience standpoint. Do you guys know who taught e is I know that sounds kind of ignorant on my part to ask but I don't know because it's like it's such a different world. Do you guys know who taught to use where you familiar with her before this and can get the did share by the pallet DM us. Let us know and do you like to buy celebrity and or influencer pallets? Yeah. Is that something that you are excited about? I will tell you when Mac partnered with Star his powder. The Patrick powder was one of my favorites just throwing that out there. They needed to make it a permanent thing. So we have another piece of News Sunday Riley settled with the FTC after the company was accused of posting fake reviews of their products on Sephora's website for two years. Yes, so they were accused and it they actually admitted to their crime the other Instagram what? Why kind of found was weird, but when was it Estee Lauder as a laundry when they brought the post the letter? Yep, it was on Reddit course dark web and basically an employee at Sunday Riley said hey as a Sunday Riley employee. We are told you know that this happened that this needs to happen. We have to write like three fake reviews create new accounts to do so, we have to download like a VPN which blocks are IP address. It has to be a certain. You know amount of characters long to be considered to downvote negative reviews. Mm-hmm, which I find extremely bizarre because apparently when you download a negative review it just disappears. Yeah, which what like, yeah, so the letter States if you see a negative review dislike it after enough dislikes. It is removed this directly translates to sales. This is insane and I really hope Sephora changes this on their website. Please keep the negative. Reviews, even if they're downloaded I would rather see that there's like two or three negative reviews would like 800 down votes than them just be totally gone and it actually makes me trust a product review more what I see that there's a mix of positive and negative. Totally nobody's gonna love a product all 100% Exactly. So anyways, long story short this came out people went nuts. And then this week our last week, actually they announce the FTC. That the punishment for the crime is that Sunday Riley is going to promise to never do this again. Yes. So the CNN article says as part of the settlement Sunday Riley agreed not to write fake reviews. The company did not admit wrongdoing or receive any form of punishment. So what exactly is this settlement that okay. So that's the number one thing. I am trying to figure out because people are mad that there was no definitive punishment. There wasn't like they have to pay $50,000 or $100,000 for a fine when I read settlement. That's what that means. Right? It doesn't that mean money like you settle out of court. So it's like if you're in court with someone and you're going through like any any, you know celebrity news where they settle out for one thing or the other there's definitely like money that's exchanged in order to like keep this from going to like a public forum. Where does that money go? The seat eight. I don't know back to the government. Yo to the government, but right but I I'm just curious like did when I see settlement I'm like so they definitely were find right. They definitely had to pay money but a lot of people don't seem to think that but then they did not admit wrongdoing and then it says they didn't receive any form of punishment. So isn't a penalty a punishment yes, or do you are are we is that not what they mean by that? Because I can't imagine that the FTC would be like, okay your punishment is you can't manufacture products for a year. Like you can't keep them from their livelihood, right? So, yeah, I mean unless they were actually toxic and doing something bad to you, but they're they don't and that's not what this problem is. The problem is just that they were lying about reviews and I say just because honestly, I'm so unfazed by this guy's so many brands do this. We know I've had some DMS from people being like Oh, yeah, we do that. And what I've been telling people when they ask for my opinion on it is Sunday Riley did not she's not The Mastermind behind right doing these reviews on retailer websites like is this is has to be learned behavior. Do I still love Sunday Riley products of yes, we're both going to keep using Sunday Riley products, but I will still recommend them to people because the problem is not that these products are bad or that they're not efficacious or that they're not actually like really Really good products in general. It's just that they were deceptive and which is just so crazy to me because everyone I know loves at least one Sunday Riley product. So they have a legitimate fan base. They have loyal customers. So to me, it doesn't make it doesn't seem necessary to ask your employees to write reviews. I know that's the weirdest part to me and I don't get it. I don't get it either. I think if I was going to be a a PR crisis manager what I would suggest to the brand is get Sunday to do some press and then drop her be completely transparent about what happened why it happened. Also, please have her be transparent about her background. Yeah. Is she a cosmetic chemist? We want TBD we're still dying to know so I think because the products are so great and people love them and they do have this cult-like following it does make it seemed a little shady that you're not being forced. Coming with information that you really could just put out into the world and set things straight and then move on. Yeah, like I don't think people would be talking about this as much if they would just be more open. Yeah, so I also want to add that our friend Jessica Chia who is an amazing Beauty editor at Al or wrote an article called our online beauty product reviews. Just one big scam and she does a huge Deep dive into this basically coming to the conclusion that yes other brands are doing this totally and maybe not as outright as Sending out a letter to all the employees asked them it giving them step-by-step instructions, but it's happening. So yeah, and you know what some of you are probably thinking. Okay. Well then how am I supposed to trust online Beauty reviews? And this is what I would say find somebody in the beauty industry that you truly trust and follow their reviews. If they haven't talked about a product. It could be that they just don't have time. It could also be because they don't recommend the product some of them might blatantly be like, I don't like this. Have a reason but most of the time if you're not hearing a lot about a certain product or brand it's because they're not recommending it also be super careful when you see articles online that are like this Amazon beauty product has over 20,000 five star reviews. Yeah, because as people that write in this industry for a living we know what people want to see and of course people are attracted to positive reviews. So if you're going to read An article like that, you need to make sure that there's an actual review within it from the writer. Not just a hey we found this product. Right and it has 20,000 positive reviews. It has Y and you should try it like you need to see if the person has tried it for themselves and and recommends it that way. So yeah, just like I mean, I think I would love to hear from you guys. I think Kirby and I both wouldn't want we want to know like how you guys come to a buying decision. Like why are you buying a product? Who are you asking? Where are you getting your Recommendations from are you checking multiple websites. Are you watching YouTubers are you you know, seeing your favorite influencers on Instagram recommend a product. I'm just so curious about it all same it's time for what's on your face Kirby. What's on your hair? Okay, so I want to talk. I want to give my hair some love. Yeah, we talked about here that much because I have a lot of fake hair. Well, it's a really pretty hair that you've to take care of. Thank you, and I also have to take care of my actual hair to that's bleach so So I got sent the in common beauty hair system. And if you guys aren't familiar in common Beauty was created by the founders of 9:01 Salon Nicky Lee and Rihanna Capri and they're an institution here in La. I mean people travel here just to get haircuts. Yeah them and colors. Yeah, and they work with so many celebrities, you know, that's why they've gained so much notoriety and attention and I think there's Salon is so cute on Melrose Place now, but so they launched a product. Four months ago. It was that it was like a hair Elixir was like a leave-in treatment that you could spray on and I really liked it and it was making my hair softer and overall just look a lot healthier and I tagged them and then Nikki was like did we not send you the whole system like walk so she did and I got it this week. And first of all the packaging is beautiful and I love the names of the products. You can tell that they were really thoughtful and trying to create something different and that wasn't just run-of-the-mill like shampoo. Ooh conditioner Etc. So like I said, it's a system. Okay, and you use it all together. So there's three steps there is first. Okay. So this is how I used it. Okay. I feel like my hair looks really good today. It does and it's very it's very soft. I can run my fingers through it and it doesn't feel like straw which it does have to die and it's okay to use with extensions. Yes. Okay, 100% so extensions and color treated hair. Yep. And so I start with the Malibu C treatment Justin. Person turned me on to this. He does my hair color. He's amazing and it's a vitamin C treatment for your hair that just clarifies any build-up and if you're getting Brasi, so I use it actually once a week and it just helps to brighten my blond. So I use that that I rinsed it and then I used the clear Hayes Universal shampoo. It's a foam so it's really fun to use you house. I feel like that's genius because I really try not to use that much shampoo in my hair same so foam would really help you control that yeah, and you don't need that much. Much and you start with the shampoo you obviously, you know, massage it into your hair you rinse and then there's the treatment portion so they have three different types of treatments. I use the strengthening enhancer. It's called mended see strengthening enhancer and includes what they call a C3 Custom Care complex and it includes two silk proteins and avocado oil. So it's really going to just strengthen your hair but also nourish it and make it feel really soft. It also contains babassu oil. Which is huge it's like this hidden secret from Brazil in terms of really enriching your hair and then blue berry extract which is great for not only strengthen your hair but like fighting it against like free radicals and stuff like that. What does it smell like it had just like a really fresh scent like honestly like it wasn't. Yeah. It wasn't like overwhelming to me. I honestly couldn't even describe to you what it smelled like just because it wasn't overpowering right which I like personally and you leave the the enhancer whichever one you choose like there's a moisturizing one and then there's one other one. I can't remember but you Spritz it through your hair and then you put on the Velvet Cloud Universal mask. So like this is their answer to conditioner. Okay, and you put it on top of the enhancer kind of like a one-two punch and then you leave it on like one to three minutes and then you brush it through and then you rinse it out. So together all of these ingredients are supposed to help kind of like regenerate and change your hair and That way I just love that. It felt like a skincare ritual for my hair like yeah, I feel like half the time I get in the shower and I like slap on some shampoo and conditioner and like wash my body and shave if I need to or whatever and then I'm out totally because I also trying to conserve water to I don't want to take up too much time in the shower for this. I actually turned off my shower because I'm you know, what I'm letting the masks it and stuff like that, but I just really enjoyed the process and especially since I don't wash my hair that often like twice a week if that That I absolutely loved it. I love the packaging. I think can you buy the products individually or yes? Okay, so the system together which is the shampoo and the enhancer and then the the universal Cloud velvet Cloud Universal mask is $105. But then none cheat. It's definitely not cheap. I would put this along the same lines as like Oribe or virtue break. I guess if you're not washing your hair everyday and it's obviously made with really great. It'll pass it's an investment one, but it's worth it. But then also like how long is it going to last? It's probably last you a while. Totally like I have a for me I don't go through shampoo and conditioner that that quickly huh, and that's because I don't use them not often. I feel like it is especially great for someone like me who does like luxury hair care. So I mean, I I don't know if I'll ever get through my orb a shampoo and conditioner that I finally got through it you did at through the conditioner not the shampoo. I just am like this is I feel like it just keeps refilling itself. Yeah, I Like it was a huge achievement. I'm definitely not complaining but I still am like wow, I can't get through this fast enough. I think I wash my hair more than you. Yeah. Yeah, but we have different hair Yeah. Well, yeah, so the product separately or like between like 25 and 30 dollars definitely like more luxury, but if you have color treated hair, I would definitely look into this. If you have to buy just one product, maybe make it one of the enhancers I agree because I feel like that's something that you Can't really find at the drugstore or from other parrikar lines. Yeah, but they the other thing too is, you know, they are made to work together like in this most powerful way. So I would highly suggest, you know, investing in the system. But at the same time, I don't know. I also think the shampoo is great like the shampoo foam. Yeah. I didn't want to have that like it's brilliant. So thank you Nicki and Rihanna for sending it to me. I'm so so pleased with it and I'm really excited for you guys that you created something really great. I'm going to bother you guys. For the shampoo film. Yep, Sarah. Yes. What's on your body? Yes. Okay. So speaking of things that I am just go opposite. I am just using so much of and I'm probably gonna run out really soon is the necessary body exfoliator. I need this specifically and Eucalyptus, but it is my favorite body exfoliator ever. I cannot stop talking about this product. So it's a body exfoliator that has to bed. Methods of exfoliation so there's chemical and physical. So there's like an Aha and a bah a trio of glycolic acid lactic acid and salicylic acid. So it's really helping to get rid of those dead skin cells, right? And then there's also pumice and bamboo charcoal to soften your skin without irritating it so it's like kind when it comes out. It's just like a little gel of like little black grains, but they're like, they're not harsh. Like I said, they're really gentle and I so Necessary is famous for their products that have no fragrance right which I love like their body wash. I love their lotion. I love love but this is the first time they're introducing products with sent in them interesting. And so they make one that is eucalyptus and then they make a sandalwood one. Whoo. Yeah, but they smell so good. Like I am beg like I was just dming commenting and being like, can you guys make a eucalyptus scented body wash because I just would never use anything else but back to the exfoliator. I use it probably two three times a week and it's just so easy to use. It's not messy like other body exfoliator as you know, where or it's also not super thick where I feel like somebody exploiters will you know, it's just like very hard to wash off hard to wash off really thick and you just feel like there's a film on your skin. Yeah, so my skin feels really soft after using this but I feel like I'm clean and then I just go in and use my Ocean or now? I'm using the augustness butter Rich cream. I know just very luxurious my God. I feel like a queen when I wear them. But can I just tell you I love necessary. I love his ass are so much if I had money to invest in a company it would be necessary thousand percent agree with I want this product to be in like every store imaginable because they're leaving it there so much. I mean they're beautiful you yeah, you feel good using it. You smell good I use it. That night so I other their lotion. Yes, I'm sorry the lotion I use it at night because I am a self tanning fiend. Yes and be I don't like when I have to get into bed and I have like this thick and you're wet and yeah, I feel gross same so I use this stuff. I'll put it on it absorbs so nicely there's literally no smell. I love it includes ingredients that help to strengthen your skin to. Yes. You always neglect your body totally just like you were talking about with Hair I feel like with body you spend so much time on your face that when it comes to your actual body like you just like whatever I'll just use whatever this lotion is in my bathroom. But yeah, all of the ingredients and necessary products are skincare grade, which is awesome as amazing and I go through it like water. Yeah. I know I've gone through like two bottles. I think I also have to add that. Do you have you used their Lube that they have? I just have to say it's a really great loop. We're adults here Patrick. Have we use the lat? Sorry anybody listening to this? Yeah, just it's the necessary the sex gel. It's a water-based lube and it's great and I would say that I'll just say it's by my it's in my nightstand. Okay, great. It's seen lovely. Wow. You made me blush a sorry. I don't get embarrassed much, but I was Sorry, but I just have to say it's important. Okay, when I had a decide with one of the founder co-founders Nick Axelrod we were talking about the sex gel and I hope my mom doesn't listen this episode just because it makes me nervous. But anyways, and he was saying how you know, he brought up a really good point where all of these people are, you know all about clean Beauty and just like, you know, really mindful of what they're putting in their bodies with They're eating but then when it comes to lube, they'll just use what you know, whatever is convenient surround a water. Why are you putting this on very delicate parts of your body? You're so right. So like right that's why I am a huge fan of the Sexes job also because it's great and lubrication is the key to good sex. I'm just putting it out there. It's like I'm blushing. Also you guys let's just be real girls real what you're not enjoying sex you need. Brocation the end the end $20 did it get it and enjoy have a good time. Okay guys, so Sarah and I got to talking this week and we were trying to come up with an idea that we thought would be beneficial for you guys and not like our other episodes are not because we do come from like a service aspect, but I was like what if we talked about ingredients that we kind of steer away from when it comes to trying products because Sarah and I obviously try a ton. Yes, and I'm sure you've gotten asked just as much as I have but how do you decide what products you're going to actually try right? We don't really get to just say no to things because it is our responsibility to try as much as we can write and I think I just want to preface this too by saying that we will always give a product a fair chance. This is just general guidelines for us personally where we sort of A setback and you know look at the ingredient label. Yeah, because we just personally haven't had the best experience exactly. So this is about ingredients that we kind of stay away from when it comes to specific beauty products. Now what you'll learn is we're going to go through here and talk to you about why we steer away from them, but then there are some products that we have that have the ingredient right? So it's definitely not like one size fits all it's not like we've banned them from our repertoire, but right we're hoping that by splaining our reasoning and what we have learned and lived through with you guys. It could help you find the culprit to like maybe while you're breaking out or why your hair isn't growing or whatever it is. And before we get into this, let's talk about our skin types. Yeah, so that yep people know so I am like I have an oilier T-Zone, but for the most part, I'm pretty normal. I'm definitely combination. I have an oily oily ass forehead T-Zone and then Get dry like around my nose like the corners of my nose and my chin and stuff and then you have melasma. I have melasma and then I have mild rosacea on my cheeks, which is so funny because like I never even realized very mild Ishani Darden was telling me but it's just something that I need. I mean my I didn't have it up until probably like a year ago. So obviously as I'm getting older my skin is a little bit more sensitive. But yeah, so those are skin types. Yeah, and my skin has cleared up since My like eruption from July. No. Yeah, it really has really has I did get a facial where they massage my face for an hour. It was orgasmic if you will ya since we're talking about it, but are we talking I mean we were but I am I have a little break out I like when one of my cheeks right now. Yeah, it's just from you know, the massage and stirring things up. So I mean that's it'll go away that would happen to me to not worried about it. Yeah. So yeah, that's our current state of our And our skin overall so there's our first ingredient. What is it creepy? It's Biotin for your hair. Yep. So like if you look in any hair growth supplement gummy, it has like loads of biotin in it. Okay. Yes and biotin is the ingredient known for growing longer hair and nails and that's awesome. But sometimes these supplements are filled with so much of it that it can actually cause As breakouts so a lot of times when I talk to people and they're asking me like I'm breaking out. I'm not sure I ask. Are you taking a haircare supplement and look and see how much biotin is in it? So biotin is actually known as vitamin B7 or vitamin H and you can find it and just a lot of the food that you're supposed to be eating like leafy greens egg. Yolks salmon. That's why I like they tell you if you eat well and eat, you know claiming you will have better hair and skin duh, so into the gloss You know, I've heard this from so many doctors but I haven't written about it yet into the glass actually has a great article about it about biotin in general and it's called the effects of Biotin might not actually be working. Unfortunately, which people are like what? Yeah, and if you read the article it explains that our bodies actually don't require much biotin to get by like it's not something we absolutely need it plays a role in cell growth, but mostly You learn about Biotin when you're like I want longer hair, right? I want stronger nails but there's a catch the research on biotin is patchy at best according to into the glass. So they're like our few super small scale studies that have shown by Odin's positive effects on strengthening your nails, but there's nothing that actually proves that it promotes hair growth and healthy people that's so wild which is like kind of insane this why there's been such a growth in collagen supplement. I think so. I truly think so. I think people were like, I don't know and sometimes the collagen supplement. You will find Biotin in there. Like they'll throw it in there and I uh, I think it's more like consumer aspect. I think so too because people know what biotin is and what it does. Yep. So biotin is water soluble. So if you have any excess of it in the body, it turns it into waste and they talked about how some dermatologists will recommend that you take biotin to help with your hair if it's not growing and stuff like that because it's not harmful to take but what I found is interesting is that biotin supplements are not really designed for people without a biotin deficiency. Mmm. So if you don't know that you have or don't have a vitamin biotin deficiency, and then you're taking biotin in hopes that it's going to help you with your hair and your nails doing anything you're wasting your money. It's just not even going to work. There is a the interviewed a doctor. Dr. Jessica why sir? She's a board certified dermatologist in New York, and she said the most Commonly, suggested dosage is two point five milligrams daily biotin. A lot of these is way more. Yeah, which is insane, but I think the most important point to take out of it. That is that dr. Weiser says that if you have a vitamin imbalance and you have too much biotin in your system, it could cause a rash it could cause a breakout and this is what is causing so many doctors to actually and and estheticians frankly to stop telling their clients to take biotin. I can't even read remember who told me this but I remember I was breaking out and I think it was a dermatologist and she was like, are you taking any biotin supplements and I'm like no. She's like interesting. I'm just asking because I've had so many people coming in with these like random breakouts or even like rash looking breakouts. And when I asked them and tell them to stop taking whatever Biotin supplement they're taking it clears right up interesting. So my recommendation is like if you're trying to grow out your hair, I totally get it because I I struggle with that. That's why I have hair extensions. But if you are noticing that you have these consistent breakouts and it's like not attributed to your diet. It's not like hormones. It's not like that. You got a new fabric softener, or maybe it's not even a product that is like clogging your pores. It might be the supplement you're taking so always read your supplements and make sure that like, it doesn't have too much biotin in it. Okay. So the next ingredient that both Kirby and I are little bit worried of and maybe you are too are Are essential oils? Yep, pure essential oils, you know, there are a ton of natural skin care products out there that are made with some sort of essential oil and you know, while a lot of them are loved by many people and they work great. I have to say like a lot of them are not great for people with sensitive skin or just in general like I don't think a lot of dermatologist would recommend using essential oils on your skin at. All, right? I agree. Yeah, so There is a really great article on women's health UK that basically agrees with Caribbean me essential oil natural oils. They are, you know rich in antioxidants and contain antibacterial ingredients that protect against skin issues with so it when you think about it, you're like this sounds great. This sounds like something that I want to put on my skin, but most of the components in the oils can really irritate your skin because of the fragrance in it, which makes sense right? Because any product with a strong fragrance should not be used on your skin. There are some examples that Women's Health UK lists, like limonene citronella low and eugenol which are all present in fragrant plant oils. Like I know that a lot of people love using skin care products that have some essential oils in it because it smells really good. But if that's the only reason you're using it and you're not seeing like the benefits and it really it you should it be using them at all anytime. I see a product that's like lat. Under am like no like I don't want this on my face. Yeah, like even if it's a synthetic fragrance to be completely honest, which is like just as badass. So I think like four essential oils. Yes. I love going to a massage and like they put the hands over your face and like have you inhale? Yes, but they're not like rubbing that product like all over my face, right? And so I think that you can also if you do love using essential oils, like you can use them on your body right? You can put some drops of lavender. Evander in your bath or you can you know rub it on like your 10 spots on your body, but I would just steer clear from putting it on your face and then they also spoke to an aromatherapist who said that if you do really want to use essential oils in your skin care products General guideline is to use something that has one percent dilution. So let's like do you use tea tree oil? Yes. Yeah. So I think that that's an essential oil that I like to use like if I'm having Break out but I make sure to dilute it. Of course. I just it's too it's too much when it's not diluted. Exactly. It's just too potent. They suggest that like natural oils to use that are not so fragrant are rosehip almond Argan and coconut oil. But also, you know, if you are someone that is naturally oily or you have really sensitive skin, you know, always remember to patch test and then they I thought that was really funny this article was like if you really miss the smell just like Get a diffuser or just you know by if lavender lavender candle if you miss the smell like smell something instead of putting it on your face exactly. Yeah, just inhale it love it. Yeah. Okay. So on that note they mentioned coconut oil and wow. Everyone knows Kirby's feelings. It's like, oh I'm so anti coconut oil but I have actually talked about why yes, and I've actually kind of opened my mind a little bit coconut oil so coconut oil. Remember, I don't know 2016 2015 like that's all anybody was talking about like the meme. Oh my God. I think that bustle like I did probably like 20 articles on coconut oil. Oh, yeah. I did a video you can find it 26 ways to use coconut oil I talk about like slapping it in your hair putting it on your face oil base mining oil pulling like you making little legs sachets to like put in your your shoe drawer what I'm gonna like and looking back. Like I'm like, okay. Well, I mean I clearly was a face of a company making a video for that company like these weren't my full right Indians on the matter. So if you're going to come at me just know that but also it was like a it was all anyone was talking exactly. So, you know, we work in digital publishing we capitalize on what people are talking about cereal, but I have also written many an article about why coconut oil please just don't go to the grocery store and pick up extra virgin coconut. Oil and slap it on your face and use it as a makeup remover or to moisturize your skin and then wonder why you're breaking out. Yeah if it works for you great, but it's committed genic. It's a 4 on the kemetic genic scale. So even if you're not breaking out, but you're noticing like you have just black hairs everywhere. It's probably because of the coconut oil that being said when I went on the Max Factor trip, I did talk to a cosmetic chemist and she was incredibly knowledgeable and I asked her about coconut oil in Beauty. Oh Ducks, you know in skin care and makeup products because like foundations are you kind of utilizing coconut oil now and she explained to me like listen. Yes in a solid form that you would get from the grocery store. The extra virgin coconut oil is combat a jeddak. However, formulations matter. Mmm, that's why we like some products more than others because they're formulated differently if the coconut oil isn't in its solid form and it's fractionated which I've written about this. It's the liquid form that doesn't solidify at room temperature. That's okay to use. It also just depends on like how much is in it. So what I would say is if you see a product and it has coconut oil in it. It's specifically made for skin care and it's not 100% pure like extra virgin coconut oil give it a try like my mind has been opened. I'm not completely anti anymore because there are product. I mean there are some new products that are going to come out that you guys are going to see I'm actually a big Big fan of that have coconut oil in them. Yeah, they're not the base of the product but it's included. So the other thing I wanted to bring up though, is that coconut oil is also bad for your hair. So a lot of people I've talked to Allison McNamara about this. She's like, oh my God, I thought I was going crazy because people are like use coconut oil for your hair and then like my hair would feel like straw and like me too. Well as it turns out I talked to a colorist a couple years ago, and he said that it can alter the pH of your hair. And so if you color treat your hair, It can make your color fade more quickly. Okay, and it can also make your hair extremely dry. So if you've been using coconut oil hair masks and you're wondering why your hair feels drier than before and then you keep on using more coconut oil. You definitely should stop using the coconut oil. That's so interesting wild, right? Yeah. I have to say that. I personally like some coconut oil products, but I do steer clear if it is a skincare product, but Soco glam Lee introduced this product it by solves skincare. It's the coconut oil cleansing pads and I was looking at the ingredients it's made with 100% virgin coconut oil. But okay, this is and this is what confuses me because I trust Soco Glam right and and Charlotte. She is like one of my skincare gurus and she like says and swears by this product and it won the best of K Beauty award for 2019, but then it comes down to formulation. I thought that's what it is the product. I don't know which product you're referring to so I can't see it. Yeah, it's not like a solid ball know. It doesn't look like in the pits in a little bits drenched in the oil but it's a pad. So you're not you're it's probably if it's drenched in the oil in the oil is liquid. Yes. Yeah great. Great get on with your bad self. Right and it's probably you know, I can't imagine that it is like super super saturated like it. Maybe it's like and it has like a little exfoliating side the big going to need to try this. We are we are and and the big kicker here is that it's probably fractionated coconut oil. It's the coconut oil that is in liquid form. Yeah. It isn't the one that solidifies at room temperature. So I'm totally down with that. Hey Sephora collection made a like makeup wipes, which I'm usually pretty anti but like if I'm going to use a makeup wipe, I now use that one email Jamie and I'm liking you so many more these coconut oil wives because there they were gentle and they actually clean my skin really nicely. I love the Sephora wipes. Yeah, they're great. I'm trying to not use as much but I love them. I don't use wipes as much anymore unless I'm like going hardcore with like a face paint situation. I have them like I have some in my car for like after the gym. Hmm But I try yeah. Oh my God a gel does here all he's snoring. So sorry for boring you - yeah. Wow guess you know, everything about ingredients over here does but yeah, so I think this is like actually a big transformative. Moment for me because I'm not just so anti coconut oil like I'm still not gonna be I mean, I'll send Kirby your coconut oil products. I'm like crying in the corner but no seriously like to eat coconut oil I can I mean love I don't know water. I like coconut water. I love eating a coconut. Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh coconut. I love it. But I am not a big fan of and I like the way that coconut taste for sure. I don't actually like coconut oil when I'm cooking though. Mmm Yeah. No. It's a strong taste. Yeah. Okay, speaking of oils. We also kind of try to stay away from products that have squally squalane squalane. Scuola quality. That's what that's like how I want to say it. No, Sarah Sarah can speak to this but it's interesting because we both didn't like say this before. And there was you're talking and I'm like are we talking about the same product? Yeah, and we just realized that squalane and this particular product like made us break out and I again back to coconut oil. I think it just has to do with formulation. Yep. Like are you not all products obviously are created equal and there are different amounts of the squalling that are being used. And then when you use it in conjunction with another product that might be what causes us to break out or you know irritates your skin, but let's back up so What a squalane it is the hydrogenated version of squalene a compound produced Naturally by our sebaceous glands. Did you know that squalene used to be harvested from Shark liver? So I did but now they are all plant-based for the most part. I mean, you should all look at your ingredient label to make sure but it's so it's naturally produced by the body but its production slows as we age which means that our skin gets drier because of it and so when you incorporate squalene Into your skin care it is said that it can help restore the balance of your Skin's oils. Yeah for the most part. I know tons of people who love squalene people like some of my friends truly attribute squalane to completely changing their skin. Yeah, like it helps with its it's funny that it irritates our skin because it's supposed to be famously non-irritating and it helps with people with like eczema or people who have like really sensitive skin. So that's why I'm were like, that's why I think it's the formulation and Not the actual ingredient because may I remind you guys Beauty stat has squalane in it? And I am know how much you care if I see beauty stat, so it really comes down to the formulation. And and I think also back to your skin type. So maybe it's because you have some oily parts of your skin. Maybe I was applying it too much on my T-Zone. But yeah, so because quality is part of sebum and excess sebum can contribute to acne people who have oily or acne-prone skin. Chin should probably not be using a lot of it good to know. That's a great tip. But yeah again, like all of these other ingredients case-by-case basis. Do you boo? Yeah if it works for you great. Well, I'm going to tell you to stop using squalane right now. You're a loving it and it's transforming your skin if you're using squalane right now and you notice that your skin is bring mess. Yeah, then maybe stop using it see what happens. Do you have pure oily skin and maybe or maybe it's the formulation we want to know. Okay this last one so when Curry and I were writing this episode up. I told her that I don't like to use skincare products that have food ingredients in it. And I was so confused because I'm like are you telling me you don't like the smell of to face like chocolate? I mean, I love the smell of it and I use all of those products like the new gingerbread palette that they launch them and I love like the hmm getting so good. But a lot of the lat skincare ingredients. Is that have like chocolate or vanilla or like some real fruit in it? It just really irritates. My skin doesn't make my skin happy. I know that a lot of people love love them and it does it works on their skin, but personally for me anything was just too much of a strong fragrance and a lot of the times it is synthetic for if you have like a vanilla face mask, so I just can't use them. Yeah, I okay. So I see what you're saying. I think like we're trying to be cautious. Yeah, I'm about what we say because we don't want to drag anybody. But yes, if there is a product they're just some products that I think brands have capitalized on like regarding a certain fruit and that's totally fine. And I know some people are obsessed with it. I just personally like can't use those products. And so that's the thing too is maybe it's also just because a lot of really really natural beauty products that are made with like a hundred percent organic, you know ingredients those also make me break out same so and maybe that's what it is. Yeah, maybe my face just needs don't kill me those preservatives. Yeah. Yeah, but but yeah if it has like, I don't know like a chocolate. I love you. Keep going back to childhood, but I know you're not talking about chocolate. I know it. I just I didn't I like this. I don't know what I feel like. It was a time when there was like chocolate facials. I don't I don't never gotten one. Did you ever get one? No, I didn't but yeah, I will say this like we talked about fragrance on this podcast because we do think we need a little bit of something like its life. It's personal if it's like a skincare ritual. We at least want to smell a little something like this or I don't need to have right, you know body about like I don't want to smell like strawberries and cream or whatever, you know, I would rather it just be more chill for my body but like If I'm doing this ritual every night of cleansing my face and putting stuff on even the morning. It would be nice if the products have a decent smell like I talked about this the colorscience product that I tried. Yeah, and then I'm loving and I wear it as like my sole source of sun protection these days because it's just so good. I do like literally I Grimace when I put it on around my nose because it does not smell great so color science, please fix that but on that note. Yes. Yeah anything with a fragrance That is too overpowering you might be breaking out because just bottom line your skincare. You really don't need no like it's fragrances. It's important in that like we don't want it to smell like disgusting but adding like a fragrance especially a synthetic fragrance is not really necessary totally like irritate you maybe save the fragrance for like your MAC lipsticks. Yeah. I love that Mac smells like vanilla. I truly do like I know that vanilla such an overplayed fry. Grants for makeup, but it also I think there's like a Nostalgia element to that. No, I'm just like when I put something on my lips, I do kind of want to I like totally open skincare. Yeah and I transport like back to like the map counter at the like my local Nordstrom and like being like do I have enough money to buy this lip gloss lip glass back in the day? Yep. Okay, so all in all the ingredients that we kind of look out for on like you're laughing on labels are Biotin squalane essential oils coconut oil coconut oil and then anything that is says fragrance or like certain juices and stuff anything any of that fake food skin care stuff. Yeah - Howard. Like I know this girl. Did you learn anything you guys? Yeah. I'm like, did you learn anything from the bottom line is you guys we all just should be a little bit more Discerning Discerning. We should all be a more Discerning when it comes to the skin care products that we use. And again, this is totally just our personal takes on these ingredients. Are we going to use a product that has squalene coconut oil and essential oil and biotin in the future? Probably probably probably let's be real. Yeah. I'm I will always be game to try anything. Same I will just be a little bit more wary. So we hope this serves kind of as a roadmap for you guys. If you enjoyed this episode, please go onto iTunes guys. We were featured in nylon as one of the best beauty podcast to listen to and 2019. We are so honored. Yes. Thank you so much. We also we have a bunch of new listeners since our pod swap with breaking beauty. Hello. Welcome, if you're new, I hope you've listened to the old episodes we are so To have you and we're working our way up the iTunes charts who we have broken the top 20 in terms of fashion and Beauty podcast on iTunes. We're so excited that's wild and we keep growing like I look at the numbers every week. I'm like, holy crap. This is amazing. So thank you guys so much for the positive support. 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Our job is to try everything at least once, but that doesn't mean we don't pump the breaks when it comes to certain ingredients. We've learned over time what our skin can withstand, and we notice patterns when it comes to how our skin reacts to specific ingredients. Is it the ingredient itself, or how it's formulated? Consider this episode your roadmap — by no means are we saying all products with these ingredients are bad, but if you find your skin is breaking out, overly sensitive or has developed an adverse reaction to a certain product, this can help you narrow down a possible culprit. --- Thank you to our presenting sponsor, HUM Nutrition! Glow Sweet Glow ($25) What's on Your Face? Kirbie: In Common Beauty Hair System ($105) Sara: NÉCESSAIRE The Body Exfoliator ($30) NÉCESSAIRE The Sex Gel ($20) References: Effects of Biotin - Into the Gloss Are Essential Oils Safe for the Skin? - Women's Health UK What Coconut Oil to Avoid if You Don't Want to Break Out - POPSUGAR --- Be sure to subscribe and review us on Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/Gloss_Angeles Listen to us on Stitcher and Spotify, too! Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/Gloss_Angeles Shop all of our product lists: http://www.shopstyle.com/shop/GlossAngeles Shop Kirbie’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/Kirbie-Johnson Shop Sara’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/saratan Gloss Angeles is co-hosted by Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan. Our editor is Patrick Muldowney. 