Hello Tara, so I'm telling this story today and I have been very excited to tell this story for weeks. Now. I've poured a lot of research into it and honestly, I'm not even done yet. So I'm going to leave you. I mean the same thing this is going to be a two-part series. I'm going to preface that this with that and I'm also going to say that there is some content in first part part 1 and part 2This episode is going to be kind of unnerving and not PG and probably not PG-13 either. Do you need to specify in this part? There's not going to be any content like that. But in part to there's going to be some sexually explicit content. No definitely not safe for work. If you're playing it out loud. I wouldn't probably not her own children. I'm not around children. I've you know, I definitely wouldn't honestly I wouldn't let this program children either. I'm going to be covering the case of Robert Wong. I'm sorry. Yeah, if this is an unsolved case there have been Court proceedings with this case but no one's been officially charged or prosecuted with it. Definitely unsolved. Hi guys. I'm also here by the way, Kelsey. Hello. I'm listening this time. Like we've already said in our other podcasts each time. We're going to be switching off who is recording. She's going to be just as much in the dark as you guys are Robert Wong was a 32 year old lawyer. He was son of a me and William one alumni of the University of Pennsylvania and the College of William and Mary one was Chinese American and he was very involved in his cultural Community. Like he was very much a part of that. He was doing pro bono legal work. So he was doing legal work for the organization of Chinese Americans who is very much a voice for his culture in the city of Washington while he was very active in his community. Like she was by no means ashamed of his Heritage. He did change his name from his I don't know if you notice I said William and Amy Juan Yeah, and so he changed his surname naming himself won't so adding an e to the end instead of one. He was married to Catherine Ellen you two years his senior and had been married to her for three years at the time of its student incident. It's important to note that Robert had no known enemies that I could substantiate. He had no reported run-ins with hostile clients from past cases. No, wild X's with like a In for revenge like nothing like that. Did he like specialize in a certain type? Like you said he was a long as he like a divorce lawyers. He just like all around everything. I just said just said lawyer. Okay. He did have a lot of friends. He seemed to have a very big network of people that had nothing but good things to say about him by all accounts. He's very likeable man one friend who met him while he was working for the organization of Chinese Americans went so far as to say, this is actually quoting him quote he Was immeasurably special he had a sincere interest to do community service, which is why several fellowships and honors are now made in his name. The people who have supported Robert's family particularly, all those connected with this case have represented the best of Roberts spirit. I hope people will carry his light by remembering Robert in life and living the way he did. So people loved him like people really did they respected him. So that being said little intro as to who he was. I know you notice I keep referring to him in the past tense. And there's no way to get around that. Okay, A friend of Roberts was Joseph price and very importantly if you have any questions this is going to get dense. So if you have any questions died, okay, if you liked her soft already spoken to the train to all the people listening. I'll raise my hand. So Joseph price lived on 1509 Swan Street Northwest DC with his partner Victors of or ski and their roommate Dylan Ward now the men were reportedly in a polyamorous relationship all three of them, Joe and Victor were the main couple. Okay price I pricing Moon had met while attending William and Mary College and is stayed closed for several years thereafter. So on the 2nd of August 2006 won't had plans to stay at prices home on Swan Street since his house was located. It closely to his new place of employment once to place of employment. So you worked long hours. He's a lawyer. He had a long drive home and sometimes staying in town overnight seemed easier. So this was something I did see though that this was something that had never happened before this was the first time that he did do this. So the first time you stayed at prices house. Yes. Okay. So this is what placed Robert Wong at 1509 Swan Street on that August I want to add that. I think it's pertinent that he has there's a lot of theories about this and obviously you guys don't know anything about the events yet. But I just want to preface this story with saying that he was a straight meant like he had no like wild days in college that I could find. He was very obviously supportive of the community the the lgbtq community because I His some of his really good friends, where were homosexual and it's a he was married right like to a woman to woman. Okay, but so that being said according to the affidavit arrived at 10:30 p.m. To sponsoring he chatted with price in Dillon more in the kitchen. They drink some water although all the normal things and they kind of went their separate ways. I'm cracked. And so here's a here's we're going to kind of get think Louis. All right, so I won't showered and retired to a futon / pull-out couch situations in the office upstairs on the second floor. Also on the second floor. Dylan Ward was asleep in his bedroom right across the hall price and svorski were asleep upstairs on the third floor seemed set. I'll should be quiet. The night is not over. It's not near over at approximately eleven fifty p.m. Only an hour and 20 minutes. Later. Victor svorski calls 9-1-1 in a blind panic. I'm just going to give a brief warning. We are going to play nine one one call in this episode. Is that something that might distress you you might want to skip this case because it is very relevant to the story correct tariff barriers. So it's really important for the case to hear that. I will learn call. Is it too graphic? It's not I wouldn't say it's graphic. I would just say it's disturbing it made me kind of emotional listening to I didn't cry. Hi or anything, but I just I was really scared for him. I feel it's important. I've noticed other podcasters not playing the whole nine one one call. So I feel like they may not feel it's relevant. I do so just keep that in mind before you start this episode Victor zamorski calls 91 in a blue moon. Okay, wait pause. Okay. He says somebody stabbed him. Someone stabbed a guest in your house. Yes. He says somebody broke in and stabbed him. Yes, and she asks, are they still in the house? And he says I don't know. Yes, there's going to be more on that in a minute, but there's a couple things I want to note. So he says I don't know who stabbed him. He thinks he's Stabbed in the stomach. He's not on the same floor. He details in particular that someone is bleeding that's important because you know, it just it's important and something. Something I found kind of under-recognized is how upset he is he and he becomes increasingly hysterical like at the end of the call. He's completely like in hysterics. He's inconsolable and I do want to clarify something the you know, one one operator by no fault of her own. She mistakes him for a woman so she'd she is saying ma'am. She's not saying man or it's not this is not a This is this is definitely Victor zaboor ski calling. So I did notice that yeah. Yes Chic that continues the whole food Tad annoying. That's right. So let's continue. The first time I walked the Earth. Okay, he said that he was stabbed in the heart. That is so oddly specific to say. Yeah. He said he was stabbed in the heart in the center of his chest so you can hear the 9-1-1 operator giving him instructions of first aid instructions of someone who's been. Lethally wounded and svorski you can hear is the worst game murmuring giving instructions to someone relaying her instructions to someone and that's presumably price because he said his partner was with him. So that details important the fact that he was relaying instruction. I thought he was upstairs. I thought he was do there's no but there's no there's no reason why he couldn't have walked downstairs while he was on the phone. So that's how I kind of do kind of connect those dots there but it's important to remember that he is relying instructions to of how to staunch blood flow from a from a heart wooed. So the rest of this call is about three minutes long and I'm not going to talk anymore through I'm just going to let it play until it stops and it feels horribly long because it's hard to listen to so if you're not in the mood You might want to go ahead and Skip three minutes ahead. I'm going to play it because I feel it was very important to me to immerse myself in the situation if you will. here family It's heavy stuff. Wait, I had questions. Okay. So this story appears to change at some point in there. Am I crazy because it sounded like he said where I'm upstairs. Yeah, and then a few minutes later in the call. He appears to be talking to what I would imagine is his Partner or someone who is attending to the wounds? Yeah, but in that beginning part he had said that they were downstairs. Yeah, not near him which I found kind of strange too because he says that he is afraid to go downstairs. Exactly. That's what I was about to say and then he says I'm afraid to go downstairs, but previously he had just said that they were downstairs, you know, there is important to remember that there's three floors in the house so you could be meaning I'm afraid to go down to the first floor, but why? Would my thing is why would he say he stabbed in the stomach? Which and then he says I'm not on the same floor. I can't apply pressure to the lungs. I'm on the floor and then you hear him relay instructions to someone which kind of implies that he went into the same room. Do they have a loft? Hey just just said three floors and sadly no and then then he corrects himself and says he was stabbed in the center of his chest. And so that means he's got to be looking at him. He has to be yeah. Um, and then then he says he's afraid to go downstairs which which I mean I guess insinuates that he's afraid that there's an intruder still in the house. Yeah, but he had also said that the victim was on the first floor at the beginning. Did he? Yes, and he's sure. Yeah. He said I'm on the second floor and they're downstairs. Hmm. I don't remember hearing that but you very well might be right I could be making that up. But I swear I heard that because I was pretty sure he said I'm he just said I'm upstairs and that means he's on the third floor because I know price and well-known are on the second floor and there's only never okay. I think you misunderstood. I think I think maybe possibly because I would have caught that discrepancy. I'm sure I've listened to this a lot. Enough to be just as disturbed by it. So he does see something very important where he says he be clarifies. He had one of our knives. Do you have the beginning? I did hear something something. He had a knife. He says very specifically. How does he know that if they never saw him? Well, I'll get to that but there's a nice there's a knife on the nightstand on the nightstand right near where woman is. That's a long story. I'll get to it. Okay, but I just find it interesting that they're like you have one of them nights, you know and Okay, while that's happening. You hear that he's saying they're here they're here. And so we're going to switch to the perspective of the EMS workers that arrived according to the affidavit to EMS workers arrive at Swan Street the affidavit calls them W1 and W-2. It's kind of a mouthful. So I just renamed them. Okay, I pulled names out of absolutely nowhere. We will call the Ron and Rhonda. They only gave me their sex. So that's all I had to go off of. Okay. It's important. To note that Ron had been sorry that Ron had been an EMS worker for over a decade and Rhonda had been an EMS worker for over 15 years. So they're both very experienced. They responded to countless dramatic scenes involving violence and unfortunately death both workers are familiar with the hysteria and panic of those witnessed these kind of crimes according to Ron usually the people are frantically trying to direct him to the victim. This is no such experience for them when Ron and Rhonda arrive at Swan Street svorski standing on the porch in a bathrobe on the phone. Talking indistinctly about a stabbing on the second floor, which I'm assuming they say indistinctly because to me that sounds almost like he's talking on the phone while you're ill or those drivers on before but like I think they mean that he was hysterical they could barely understand him because in the 9-1-1 call it is kind of hard to understand him every once in a while. So I think he was on the phone with the 9-1-1 operator when he opened the door was like go upstairs, uh after attempting to talk to him. Apparently they were trying to talk to him and he was Skidding hysterical Ron and Rhonda they get no response. They say that they get no response and I'm not sure if that takes place after ordering the 9-1-1 call because they don't say that he starts crying. They don't say that he makes no sense. They say they get no response. So they then just go into the house wrong goes up the stairs and finds Dylan ward in a bathrobe and asks him what is going on. Ward not only doesn't answer him. He just walks past him into his room like it's no big deal just like whatever this man is bleeding out piece like appears freshly showered and so does the borsky interesting the EMS workers wandered down the hallway? Probably very confused. I would be and find price on the pull-out couch. Seated with his back to the door. So they walk in there's a man not facing them facing the wall wearing only underwear. He was not applying to pressure to Roberts wounds. He wasn't even touching him. Ron tried to get an answer again. What is going on in price says, I heard a scream and nothing doesn't even look at him just to the window why? Yes and then stands I got chills all over my body and then he stands moving away from Roberts body keeping his back and face turned away from the EMS workers just likes idling away. Can I ask an off-the-wall question where any of these men on drugs of any kind funny that you say that they do actually they do actually search their house later for for drugs. They find ecstasy and I believe traces of marijuana, but not Marijuana, and I don't think anything else did they did the paramedics like seem? I mean, I'm sure they were in like crisis mode gotta find the person who's in need but did they notice whether their actions were oh, yeah assistant of somebody who's under the influence of something. Well, they didn't say under the influence, but they said their actions Were Strangers are yeah. Absolutely. I don't get into that. No remember how these are very experienced EMS workers like have been doing this for three quarters of my existence. See they've seen how people people all different kinds of people from all walks of life of cope with all different kinds of trauma in different ways in different situations. Ron expressed that the entire experience was so bizarre that the conduct of the three men in the house in a quote made the hair on the back of his neck stand up. He was so spooked by this he when he walked into the room with price he gave him a wide berth and literally would not walk to the side of the room that he was in. And checked his hands for weapons when he came in the room because that's how weird he was acting like he felt like he might be in danger. Yes and like literally his fight or flight response was like he moved to the opposite side of the futon where Robert Ley Rhonda immediately recognized that the scene was quote. Very wrong. Robert made on the neatly made pull-out couch crisp Corners the whole thing the he just fallen on. Top very strange. There was no General disarray of the room his watch and his BlackBerry and his wallet were all on the nightstand and if they're on the nightstand, but they were near him. That's all I remember reading is they were near him. No obvious signs of struggles when I'm trying to say and no obvious signs of robbery. It was immediately evident to Ron and Rhonda upon examining him that he'd been deceased for some time. His pupils were fixed. There was no pulse or cystal meaning that there was no electric activity in the heart whatsoever at all. There was no respiration while searching for signs of Life the EMS workers found three stab wounds in Roberts chest one large enough to fit a finger into what no, that's a quote to no blood was coming from these wounds none. Gets it gets worse. No blood was on his gray William and Mary College t-shirt like a light gray. Nothing was there like he was wearing this shirt. There were three holes in the fabric that we responded to the stab wounds why it's one of those wounds was in his heart what furthermore there was no blood in the room no blood on the floor and no blood on him. How does that make any sense? It gets worse upon closer inspection. Ron notes that there's there were striation marks of traces of Bloods. So Layman's means someone had swiped a cloth over his blood like streaks at some point. Someone had tried to wipe it why so wait why didn't quoting EMS worker Rhonda it appeared that the body had been stabbed and I quote. Showered redressed and placed on the bed to me. It sounds like the body was stabbed post-mortem because you only bleed once your heart is still beating. So if there were wounds in his chest, but no blood to me that indicates that he was already dead when he was stabbed. He said a cover-up. Oh my God. I'm oh Tara funny that you say that why it's funny that you say that I have so many things to tell you Kelsey. I have so many things, okay. So once questioned svorski finally states have this nightmare unfolded report. Okay. You ready? Get comfy. Wait, who is he telling us to this isn't a statement like it. Oh, hi Steve afterwards. They're questioning. I yes, okay. So there are there there's much more to the crime scene, but that was all in like the actual crime scene affidavit statements. It's the rest of the evidence. Is in like the autopsy and I'll get to that okay, I can see that there's a lot there's a lot to uncover here according to the occupants of Swan Street. This is going to be dead so hold hold on to your hats here. They had heard the chime of their alarm system as you heard in the memo on call meaning a door had been open somewhere in the house. This Windham any typical though as actually Swan Street had another tenant. They had a woman who remains nameless and the affidavit they call her W4 what W4 was not even in the residence that night. She was visiting friends and it's like corroborated. So this door opening could never have been her to top it off. It goes on record in the affidavit that all residents deny that the security system was even engaged which to me makes no sense. How are you going to say that? At oh, we heard the chime and the door open, but the security system wasn't alarmed did it is farmed. Did he say something? I thought you said something about in the 9-1-1 call. So he did that. Yeah, he did. He said I heard we heard the chime and then we heard a scream and we came down the stairs. So he does say and they continue to say that we heard a chime. We heard a chime someone opened the door in the house. Well sometimes oh I know alarmed systems will even if they're not set to Go off if somebody opens the door, but I know some when you open it'll be like front door open or we aren't door ajar. Yeah, so maybe that's what their system was. It just wasn't arm for an intruder basically. Yeah, and I will say I don't I there are so many different kinds of alarm systems a very well could have not been armed and so just beep when someone enters the house and that's something I'm looking into too much. Yeah, but let's continue long story short. She was not there. She I just figured I'd I put her in there because I feel like that's relevant but not relevant to a woman's death in price and zaboor skis statements they say they heard three distinct grunts quote from their third floor bedroom after the chime and they left their room to investigate the commotion in the second floor office. They found womb stabbed laying on the bed at this time Ward emerges from his bedroom. Dylan War there were there was no perpetrator in All three of the men say they heard no one lying down the uncarpeted hallway and no door chime to mark an exit from the residence, which if we're going to give them credibility here, I could understand why Sikorsky was then scared go downstairs because if you didn't hear the door chime to go to go out I could get it but to make themselves not look guilty. That's a strange statement. And yes, and I will I'll probably say About this in episode 2. But of the three of them, I think there are certain amounts of culpability and I don't know if svorski has the heaviest of it hurts. So This is reportedly were price tells the worst get to go upstairs go upstairs and call the police note here that this is that there is a phone located in the Very Room. That won't is laying in because this is this is like 2006. So it's all phones aren't like a huge thing yet. I mean probably look bones and raise problems he has and um, but so there's there's a landline in the room that wound is in but he's like no go upstairs and call the police. I just fell down. Those three wasn't his like Blackberry in the room. Also. Yeah, so you got potentially two phones in the room and you're like no go up to the other phone. Yeah, so I guess I was worried but like like I mean, he was a lawyer. So it was yeah, that's true and all the different. My main point is that landlines were much more of a thing then so they are now in sikorsky's call to police. He seems to know like I said earlier that the alleged perpetrator has one of our knives and that he used it. Injure Robert now at the scene pricing goes on record as saying that you picked up the weapon. So this price not the borsky he goes on record saying that he picked up the weapon and placed it on the nightstand while telling the friend later who I'm assuming coughed this information that he actually pulled the knife from wounds chest and placed it aside, which first of all don't touch a No murder weapon just in general second of all you don't remove something that's inside of a stab wound because when you pull it out that person's probably going to bleed out. Yeah to me that almost sounds like bravado. Like if you if it's give him the benefit of the doubt soon. He's not guilty and say that the only cost for me to do that would be to be like well some time for just pulled the knife out of his chest or something like that. I don't know. To continue price states that he raises ones shirt and the gray William and Mary t-shirt and found it blade entry wound and quote a lot of blood on his chest, which we know was not a thing and also, why would you like shouldn't you see the blood through the shirt? Exactly like my it was just a normal t-shirt right was normal teachers gray like you drop some tea on a gray t-shirt and you're going to see it. So the dvorsky also remarks in his statement that Joe price was applying pressure to the wound of the towel and that is of course key gave price yet another towel to in Words Words staunch the bleeding. Question is where are these towels? So they did find a towel this towel that they say was blocking a heart. You have a picture of it. We'll put it in the hole put it in the sources those black spots isn't this isn't in color. This black spots are blood. Oh like thanks like I dribbled some coffee. You know what? I mean? That that is like that's an I had nosebleeds worse than that, right like like and as a kid, I used to get a lot of nosebleeds and my nose bleeds were like way worse than that. Like it's literally it's probably the size of my fist literally like I'm looking at Probably the size of her fist and they like like a couple sprinkles that like are the side like it looks like somebody like is if you brushed like you touched blood with your hand dried a little bit and then like maybe rubbed up against this towel. Yeah, like not not significant at all. So throwing that out there so he gave price yet another towel to staunch the bleeding like like he needed another towel after that towels barely sad. Saturated. I don't know me I'm this could not have actually happened here is why as after mentioned there was no blood in the room where the stabbing was that to occur. There's no blood on Robert. There was no blood coming from his wounds actively one of the stab wounds within his heart while it was still beating. Are you sure? Yes, there was the force of that muscle would have rendered anything within a few feet of Robert absolutely saturated in blood which means he could not have been stabbed in that room. He could There's no way and I'm not going to go into specifics but he was stabbed in the heart while he was alive. Like they specified that I'm not there. Where is the blood? I mean, is he some kind of freak who had no blood in his body? Like what that's definitely not it. Okay. So there was a towel of cover covered with blood on it. Alright covered that this blood is so my Newton it to mouth of there's no way that this is the towel that svorski been dictating price to Preston Roberts. It's just after undergo. Can't wait. Hmm. Okay, listen to me Mamacita after undergoing examination. It was found that the towels blood patterns were consistent with having a knife in one hand. That's how we'll in the other and swiping the bloody blade downward onto the towel surface. About that knife on the nightstand. Okay, there is actually no way that that night was the one used to stab Robert. No, are you kidding me? It was a bloody knife. There's no way there was no way and you I'll tell you why it had blood on the blade five and a half inches up the blade the knife wounds in Roberts chest were only four to five inches deep the knife from their kitchen knife set found next to Roberts bottom couldn't have been the next killer could know no possible way. Are you kidding me? It was the knife that was swiped on the bloody towel though. Okay, it has that same towels cotton fibers were found on that knife's blade. So it was that it was that knife on that towel. The gray fibers expected to be on the blade that would stab Robert in through his gray shirt won't was absent on that blade. You're kidding me. I'll wait for this upon examination of the residents in Greater detail. They do find the Ecstasy as I talked about earlier. The police found a cutlery set in doing words bedroom. He's at he's I'm pretty sure he's a chef but okay, but you don't keep that in your bedroom a large knife and fork sat inside with a smaller four and a half inch knife missing a length consistent with the stab wounds and Robert wounds chest that nice to never been broke up. Are you kidding me Tara you feeling like I've been in dated you with a little information here. I hate to say it only gets more. Using way more confusing so much more confusing. I'm nowhere near done the autopsy. Was that sorry? You have to wait till episode to know your yes. I am serious. Sorry I told you you're gonna hate me. I am go to theme song. Okay next week. I'll be reading about Tara's murder because I'm gonna kill her. Are you freaking kidding me? Even if you killed me in the most complex way you could imagine it still wouldn't still wouldn't do this. This is crazy. It only gets crazier. I'm not even to the craziest part. Yet I literally don't even know what to say to you right now. I'm so like taken aback because there's so many things that first of all pay all of those dudes and like a really bad light and on top of that everything just seems extremely suspicious. First of all, where is the blood? We're lucky? Where's the blood? I will say like they all they look shower showered what you telling me somebody's bleeding out your like to I could go for a shower right now. Well, I think it's I think that means that they were covered one probably head dude. Had a heart wound. Yeah, I'm sure they were you like. Okay, so I can't tell you any of my theories because that's going to be episode 2 and I can't tell you anything more because you're still grossly misinformed as to his body because the autopsy results are in man. You don't know him yet. I'm breaking up with you you theme song. You know come back to me. It was really important to a room here move the knife he did but it was it was more than that. Okay? Okay. Okay, I remember. Okay, okay. Okay. Alright, so.
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