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My name is Marshall and Salvage your host for today's episode. This is episode sponsor highlights about Zoom Pro since 1971. Simple Corporation has focus on one thing Trace mineral nutrition as the most research proven organic feed Trace mineral products in the industry zebra performance minerals deliver performance and profitability to swine operations around the globe to know more go to zero.com. Hello everyone today. We are going to About applied Pig nutrition an update from Canada with then bussieres. Then the is a great friend and I'll let him introduce himself. But before that, how are you today? Then very good. Thanks, Marcy you appreciate your time. And I guess then to start things off. If you can just tell us about yourself how you got involved in Peak production in your career so far. Yeah, good. Thanks. Yeah, so So yeah, my name is Dan. I'm a French Canadian. So from Quebec so you're recognized my French accent. So I was born and raised close to Quebec City haven't been involved with agriculture until my teenage years. When I work in a dairy farm for summertime, then after that decide to go to animal science and Laval University in Quebec. And so my first pigs during summer job when I was likely 20 21 years old. So that was my first contact with bit production pre-production at that time. So Work summer time for couple of years during my University years in Nevada in Quebec. And then after that when I finished University, I went to work for a feed company. So I was in charge of technical service Rd developing nutritional program for the company. Then I work for Janet said company breeding stock then I had the chance to travel in Canada USA Mexico and Brazil Which was a great experience and then in 2004 decided to start my own business with one of my partner Johnny Boucher. We decided to start group size, which is our business today started in late 204 3205. So it's been 14 years. Now that we have our own business growing into the swine Market in Canada. So today our business is working on the nutrition side genetic production. We have customer in Quebec. Tario in western Canada. I do some work as well in China for some of our partner that have Farm over there. So I do some nutrition Consulting in China probably going to be involved in Japan as well with some production system over there. So we work also with the large group here. You can call high life which is a partner in our business. So I've been involved with that group in terms of research in addition since the 205 206. So yeah, I've been into the swine. Business since that time it's been 22 years 22 years now that I'm just doing swine. I never been involved in any other species. So I'm a I'm a big guy. That's for sure. Very nice. Yeah, I love that. Yeah pigs there's enough to learn about pigs that it's tough to learn about other species. Yeah enough on our plate on a day-to-day basis. We learn every day. So I think as long as we keep learning, I think we can keep doing what we do. Very nice dance. Well, thanks for that. And so we jump right into it. What is the current status of swine nutrition in Canada while I don't think it's that much different than what you could see in the United States. The industry is constantly consider dating there's less and less player. The the people involved are getting bigger. There's a lot of acquisition that had happened lately company that by other companies. So if you look at the swine industry Austrian some of the defeat business there's less and less people that are involved and those company are bigger during thing that we have seen over the last couple of years is the not of the feet company are now involved in to feed additive either a feed additive company, but the feed company or feed company but a feed additive company example of All Tech with Master feed ADM with pain kozma Cargill with the diamond V. So it's changing a bit the way that those feet company or the feed industry is moving as now the they are not just feed retailer and micro premix producer. They also add feed additive line that comes along with their feet service and feed programs. So that change a bit the nature of the competition between the different groups that are involved in Canada. Canada is a large country as well for those that know can I do it's from the he's from the the east to west it's pretty it's pretty large. We have a lot of variation. Grain accessibility. If you go more in the eastern part of Canada, we are corn soybean meal based, you know bit like more the u.s. Feed program. If you go out to s a lot of a small grain barley wheat kernel meal peas feather Bean many double which is the central part of Canada touch a bit everything. They touch cord attached small grain. I think that's a big Advantage for them to have access to most of the ingredients available in Canada and in the midwest as well. So feed costs can vary somewhat into Canada, depending where you raise your pigs. That's a bit of a challenge today to try to optimize our reduce or freak has Quebec versus western Canada. There are some significant difference sometime in production costs due to feed costs. So that's a challenge even though we're in the same country. There's some time big difference that we can see. Very nice. Overall. The paper lotion in Canada has been stable over the last 10 years. There was a bit of a decrease in the 2008-2009 years and after that it's been stable. We are about 1.2 million South but 90 85 90 percent of those are located in Quebec Ontario and Manitoba, which are the three main province of cruising pigs in Canada. So again, like I said, Canada is a big country, but the concentration of production is mainly Tri province Very good. No, that's that that makes sense very diverse and and very Progressive as well as they Wes. The other comment I want to make is about Canada. We have been a lot of influence from the US for sure in terms of all, we feed our pigs, but we've been pretty close to Europe as well. Especially Quebec with the French Connection with the friends in other countries Europe. So I think we have a bit of a mix of North American and European. Gran influence on our feed program. I think we've been probably the first to adopt net Energy System and we look a lot at what's happening in Europe to try to predict what will happen in North America or in Canada within the next couple of years because the reality is that some of the change happen first in Europe and then they come our way so we try to be really close to what happened over there to be prepared and to know what it's coming and try to to get the best out of it and make sure that we are ready when they will change when those change happen makes sense specially from a regulation standpoint and those sorts of things. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah different. Like I know Brazil has a has a strong influence as well from Europe more recent a little more u.s. I'd say but that's interesting to see how all that evolved so very good. Well what what our current challenge there? And what are the biggest opportunities than well? I again the challenge are not different than what you can see Health where the word the use of antibiotic has been on the on the newspaper a lot lately. We knew it was coming. But now the pressure is really on the property on the sector of pig production and other species as well to reduce the use of antibiotics in feed and also injectable antibiotics in Canada the class 1 and 2. Biotech has are not banned, but they cannot be used for prevention. They have to be used for treatment only and with very specific usage. We use usage policy in Quebec. We have the AIM to reduce by 20% the use of antibiotics by next year. The 20% is that really well-defined people talk about you know, is it per milligram of body weight per overall usage or you know by the end of the day there's pressure to reduce antibiotic. We don't see that. Which raised without antibiotics program we see a bit more in chicken in pigs. It's coming along but when we say use of antibiotics more by reducing the users not by taking them out completely. So I think we have to be sensitive to that and we are and most of our research program and development over the last year and the next couple of years will be towards trying to use less of all of those antibiotic and make the best out of our Pace with other mean other concept. The other feed additive or International concept the other challenge that we have and again zinc as been talked about a lot in Canada. We don't know yet. What will be the level we will be able to use today? We can lose the 2000 2000 PPM of zinc in early-stage diet a nursery. There's a new table for which is our guideline for maximum and minimum usage of some nutrient in the in pigs feeding. That should be long. But with government official we never know when it's gonna happen, right? There was some consultation in 2016 about the new new table for and we are two years two years after and we haven't heard about you know, what with what would it be but we know that there's going to be some change. So that's another channel that we have to face today. And then if you do raised without antibiotics program, you have to limit your zinc user you cannot I use eye level of zinc. If you have a raised without antibiotics or never ever to program so you have to keep that in mind. But again, we don't know yet where those level would be set, but we know it's coming and again like we said it earlier what happened in Europe. The downstream will come in North America in Canada us so we have to be aware of that the other challenge we have it's again, it's toxin level in Feed and Grain in Canada again. It's been very variable. Well this year Ontario has been really really bad. We are dealing in Ontario with corn that is anywhere between low talks and level low vomitoxin up to 10 15 PPM and corn so you can imagine doing the when you produce ddg out of that corn what they did. You will look like so it's it's been a bit of a nightmare for a lot of producer in Ontario that their own corn crop put that in a silo and they want to feed it to their pigs, but the corn is contaminated. So so there's different strategy that we have used to try to limit the impact of that using wheat, which is expensive this year or using Bakery meal to try to do the corn but you know, it's tough, you know at some point you have to use that corner you have to there's not enough beef in the country to get all that 30 card. So right it's been a challenge Quebec has been not too bad western. Canada has been really good. So like I said, probably the same in big countries You like you like United States, you know, you have variation within the country. So that that has been a challenge this year, but mostly for Ontario people the other the other challenge, you know, again not new. It's the African swine fever on the feed side the challenge done through the fact that we have to be careful about Chinese ingredient with that being said we know as an industry that we have to use we need to use Chinese ingredient. There's some vitamins that are mostly produced in China, but Today in Canada. We have it's not a regular. It's not that by law but we have kind of a commitment to ask any supplier that Supply us with Chinese ingredient to have a quarantine of 20 days at 20 degrees Celsius. So by the time the product come into Canada the product has to stay for at least 20 other into our warehouse where it's either that 18 20 degree celsius. Some people are doing 30 days 45 days, which is even better. So that's Nana. That safety procedure that we asked our supplier to do to try to protect us from any condemnation of ASF to the ingredient personally am not that much scare about vitamins amino acid. We are more scared about people right and and again people and people because that's probably that they got number one risk factor. And also we have some organic soybean meal that is imported from China to Canada, which is a risk as well. But there are some regulation or some process that have been put in place to try to limit the risk of those ingredients as well. So yeah SF has been has been a it's a threat for our Market because we export 70% of our meeting Canada outside of the country. So for us, it's it's pretty it's pretty big right that yeah, that's something that's way higher than the u.s. Right now, right? Yeah export so interesting. Very good for opportunity. I think you were asking for opportunity margatroid, you know, I think that the strength of Canada in terms of nutrition we talked about it a bit before is the variation in ingredient access that we have even in Quebec sometime. You know, I think we have access to some ingredient that we can use and save money like Baker email is a big is a big thing in Quebec and Ontario a lot of good product on the market that can help us to save money. So we have to look into those. In Canada also has been I think developing a lot of good research program. I think one thing that we like to say is that we have to turn challenge into opportunity. So we know our feet causes have been higher we know we have to deal with, you know with regulation on zinc antibiotic that are not always coming from the industry but pressure from outside of the industry, which is okay at the end of the day we have to deal with that and and comply with those requirements as well. So research has been developing a lot. In Canada, I think there's other company now that are doing great research private company, but also as an industry, I think we try to regroup ourselves together to to increase our strength for research. So we working on some committee right now in Quebec to try to leverage all the industrial ask asset that we have and some public asset like University and research center and try to work more together to develop research program it to be more efficient instead of working in Silo we have to work as a group and try to you know, look at the channels that we have and focus on those Talons and put research program in place to face those Challenge and I think there's an opportunity to Canada to do better on that then I think we we are working on that right now very nice. That's that's exciting exciting times to tackle those those challenges and make opportunities. Like I said, I Like that? Yeah, very good. Then what do you see as recent and upcoming change that will impact how we feed the pig? Well, I think it's coming back to just what we said the last 5-10 minutes but to be a bit more specific. I think one thing that we have to keep in mind sometimes that we cannot, you know, replace antibiotic and replacing by just looking at feed additive. I think we have to think outside of the box. I think it's good to look at feed additive. Talk about enzyme acidifier yeast-based product medium chain fatty acid name it. There's so many product and the supplier are doing a great job to develop those product and come to us to propose those New Concept but beyond that we have to look at how we feed our pigs based on, you know, look at fiber energy protein amino acid. So I think you know, we have a tendency or we had a tendency to say I'm going to try that product to replace the same. Yeah most of the time It could work but it's never as good so we have to look outside of the box and make sure that we look at nutritional concept. One thing that we have learned over the last two to three years that you know, feeding pigs early win pigs. You could do it a bit different and you could help a lot to reduce enteric problem. So example of using lower protein diet lower energy diet fiber into the early wind diet again, it's coming back from what people are doing in Europe and it makes sense because we have tried those concept and we are using those Concepts on a commercial basis where we feed lower energy lower protein. We use Fiber into those early win diet and we have seen great response in terms of controlling enteric challenge not saying that it's perfect because it's never going to be perfect. But we have been able to reduce our Challenge and I think that's going to help us to cope with their reduction of zinc or reduction of antibiotic. So does it mean that we don't look at feed additive or Our product but I think sometimes you have to go back at the basic and say young. Yes. What what should I do different? And what could I do different just beyond the fact that I can add a product or not on top of you know, when I rig take out the zinc or take out that antibiotic in my feet. So I think it has to be has to be kept in mind and I think the key for the industry is to do research and when I see research research at all level University Research, which I Think it's done already by a lot of people in US and Canada as well, but we have to bring that research to the field. So we have to make sure that when we do research has also that feels research that we call and that's where we are involved to have research Barn where we do research, but it's more the application of research into commercial production that could help us to prove the concept that we want to test that we want to apply to our pigs, but it's Made in the scope of reality making sure that we deal with pigs farm that our farm that we are commercial farm. So I think that's one of the key as well to develop those research program which are costly some time but the large company today they are all doing research. So if they do it it's because there's a benefit at the end of the day even though you pay for the research you have to get the staff the equipment but there's a payback because you improve your process you improve your program and you do do it in your own situation because sometimes it doesn't mean that if it worked for the neighbor it's going to work for you. So today I think every large company or every significant company as to the develop their own research program, but at the same time we have to work with the industry altogether to to develop those programs. So there's a bit of a you have to work as a group. But at the same time you have to do it yourself to prove at the end of the year with your own system if it's working or not. Right. No, I love that in and I guess if you then if you could expand a little bit because I see within us and Canada I think is very homogeneous. Even though there's still some some variation there from what the way people look at research, but I sometimes in other countries as well. I've seen that, you know, people are still trying to do one Barn versus the other barn and before-and-after, you know. Change these and this is what happened. So if you can just explain a little bit, you know, what you do to control. Make sure you have a true answer there. Now. That's a good point because you know the before and after or the round one room versus the other room. I don't call that research. So for us when we see research, we have finisher Barnard through the bond sale barn where we have multiplication of pain, you know, we have 48 pens 24 pounds per treatment 16 Pence per treatment we Control, the the pain away toward individual weight of the pigs all the way through we measure feed intake it's done in commercial Farm but we do it, you know with experimental design that make us a Nawaz to run statistical analysis to determine if the difference we observe are due to chance or due to their treatment that we apply to those pigs. So I think and numbers matter when we do research on sale today, we always try even though it's costly and time-consuming we It on a lot of sour variation in cell production is so huge that one-on-one when you want to determine the impact of the treatment on pre-wedding mortality or in firing rate. You need a lot of animals. So we try to stay away from those 12 that are tense our stencil right and so it's again it's a commitment but it's not for everybody but I think today like I said because of the consolidation in the industry and people are getting bigger those big company or those larger producer they have the T to run those research program that's themselves and some time what we do we could we collaborate with each other if if it's a project that is called pre-competitive that is not a project that will just impact your benefit but that could be good for the whole industry and everybody has a need to find an answer for that problem. Then we can work as a group and we did that in the past with other company or with other public organization where we do research with them to solve or to try to find an answer on an issue that is common to everybody. For sure, if I try to develop my own feed program to compete with my feet competitor and that going to share my research with those people, but when it's time to look at problems that are common for the oil industry and that can help us in Canada to do better and to keep competing with with you guys in the US with other country. We have to think like that. We have to be able to collaborate all together as well. Awesome. That's that's great then any other innovations that you are looking at. One thing that we have been an again. It's a bit more specific on self-feeding WE and Marcio based on your past life and we had some discussion on that but we are fighting right now that we met over feed our sound like Titian at some point in time. We have done some work on the blend feeding for lactating cell where we feed high and low lies in diet with the computerized feed system that is able to determine on a daily basis that the amount of feed or lies in a cell needs based on. She didn't a little growth and the requirement of Lysine and we think that our calculation for lies in karma nonce always overestimating what the soul really need and we have some data that support that right now where we found that we could probably feed lower lysing if we are able to fit so one by one, okay, and be able to achieve the same performance even better performance because if you feel over lies in your lord and your lower protein and it fit intake is better. And what we discussed the problem we have today is that we feel like living soil with one single diet and that that has to be made to fit the need of 90% of the South. So we tend to over from late that diet which is I think works but when it's time to look at Cost saving feed cost and overfeeding protein to lactating so we know it can have an impact on feed intake and we have some proof of that in a recent project that we have done where we lower. Routine and we are better feed intake so and at the end of the day are sour had consume the same amount of Lysine because of the veteran take even though lies in level was lower in the diet. So I think there's a lot of learning to be made on self-feeding not saying that what we are doing today is bad because we have people that do 3035 Psy with, you know, pretty simple like dating diet, but I think as we move with modern genetic iron letter size. Sighs cell that I've Limited in take some time in lactation. We need to look at that a bit more closely and I think one of the Innovation that will end all parts are actually those thing is technology use of feeding system automated ferry system that are able to do the job of a worker instead of fitting by hand or fitting bye-bye gut feel you have a system that is able to feed the soil the right way or the pigs in the rest. We are the pigs and finisher the right way. Those technology were pretty expensive. They are still not cheat today. But with the technology that those companies have put in place. We do see better payback on using those technology today and I see a big future for technology automation system big data using everything that we have in a farm to make better decision process. I think that's a that's an opportunity to develop those things. It's not easy to To do that but I think that's a that's a good that's for a future. That's pretty good. Very good exciting research Genesis is the largest independent producer of High Health register purebred swine in the globe having over 80 percent of all registered purebred breeding stock and Canada. The Genesis genetic program uses genomic selection strategies focus on productivity faster growth. Efficiency high yield and with quality to know more go to genesisweek.com. It is time to our famous. We can transition here then into the three questions. We ask every guest. Yeah. The first one is what is your favorite swine related book? First of all, I should say that I'm not a big reader most of the swine book. I read our pork neck. Gisin that's good a plane my traveling but one book that I've read a couple of years ago is the book by shot alfama, which is the lactating South. It's a book that talked about mammary gland development and the basic of Sawmill production. I think it's it's a pretty good book, even though today we have probably a bit more knowledge and when the book was written it's still pretty good so that that would be if we talk about the true book that will be my favorite one, but I will say that the poor She'll hook farmer pocket back in that we have in Quebec feedstuff. The one that we have out west which is the Keynesian of Journal. I like to read the magazine because sometimes there's some stuff that you can pick up on those magazines and on the web big progress those type of website that I try to look as as much as I can to to pick up some of the idea that are all around the world and try to see if we can do something with that. Very good. And any what's your favorite book or magazine or website that is not related to pigs again. I'm not a big reader. But if I will ask the book that I've read are most of the time biography for sport athlete. The one that I prefer was the one on other Legacy the tennis man. It was pretty good. So I will see that could have been my favorite book that I've read over the last couple of year, but I like to read stop that about Professional athlete or sport athlete with their life. So that would be my favorite type of book and book that are ready to wind and and I like wine a lot. So there's book that talked about wine production and wine in the words. I like to take a look at that as well. Very cool. Well and then the last one then is what in your opinion sets apart successful professional for professionals from those who are not bite the dust. Good question, but I think it's people that are able to apply when I say applies take what we haven't from science or from research or from the world of science and try be able to go on farm with producer with farmer and make the can apply that and making sure that we understand the science and application on the formatting. That's a key point today because the people we work with are well-educated but at the end of the day they want to see the benefit of those Research into their Farm. Decapitation is key and network. I think today you cannot stay in your home office travel nearby. I'm not saying traveling all over the world, but you need to connect with people and the web help you to connect with people but it's more than that connect with face-to-face with people and go see other production in the world and being able to talk with other people that are doing things differently some time. That's great things and I think the last thing is being able to put economics on everything you do because Because at the end of the day money talk so we can talk about nice concept nice science. Nice research project. But is there a payback for the for my producer for my customer? So I think one of the key point is being able to run economics and making sure that when you are in front of your customer you able to prove that the program you want to put in place there's a pay back to that program and there's money to be made for him or cost-saving. So I think that's a key Point as well makes total sense. Yeah. Like it great. Awesome, then really appreciate your time. It's been very thoughtful insightful for me, and I appreciate that. Yeah. Thanks a lot more feel. So good luck with your new Venture and go back and see you soon.
Today’s episode will cover Applied Pig Nutrition: Update from Canada. “We cannot replace antibiotics and zinc by just looking at feed additives. I think we have to think outside of the box but beyond that, we have to look at how we feed our pigs based on fiber, energy, protein, and amino acids… so we have make sure that we look at the whole diet.” – Dan Bussieres. Our guest is Dan Bussieres, one of the bright minds of the Global Swine Industry. Dan is a swine nutritionist, graduated in 1996 from Laval University in Quebec City. Dan and his partner founded Groupe Cérès inc. in 2004. Dan leads the nutrition for HyLife and the Ceres Group is also engaged in pork production by managing a production network of more than 250,000 pigs each year. Dan works on the development and monitoring of nutrition programs for pig producers across Canada. What you will learn:   A brief summary about himself and his career;  Current status of swine nutrition in Canada;   Their current challenges and the biggest opportunities;   Recent and upcoming changes that will impact how we feed the pig;   Innovations he’s looking at;   What separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. Dan’s favorite swine-related book: The Gestating and Lactating Sow (Chantel Farmer) Dan’s favorite book unrelated to swine: Open: An Autobiography (Andre Agassi)  Edited by Lauro Faccin 