Hello cheap homegrown Nation. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on the Today show. I have Chef don don can be found on Instagram at Chef Donn 23. Now Don is a chef located in Toronto Canada, and it comes on the show today to talk about how to cook with cannabis Chef Donn. Goes into detail as to how you can start cooking with cannabis. Even if you're not a very talented cook like myself at the end of the podcast. We also talked about dosing please rate review And subscribe and as always enjoy the show hello and welcome to the cheap home grow podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis indoors. This is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine the cheap home grow podcast will also feature timely interviews with cannabis industry veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Hello everybody. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap homegrown podcast. And on today's show. We have Chef Donn from the Cannabis cooking company located in Canada. I believe you guys are located in Toronto. If I am correct. Does that is that right? Yeah in Toronto and in Toronto. Okay. Well we have we have Chef Donn and Chef Donn. He can be found on Instagram at Chef Donn. R23 that's CH E FD o N2 3 and dock on the show today and he's going to be talking about, you know, learning how to cook with cannabis. But Don before we discuss that main topic, I'll tell you what I want. You tell really myself and my listeners about yourself. Yeah. I'm my name is Don I'm a I've been a chef. Over 30 years. I've been involved in cannabis recreationally and medicinally for over. Probably over 30 years as well 35 years going on that time. I'm a father of three professional professional chef still working in the industry but picked up cooking with cannabis on the side. I'd I've been working with these guys kind of working our trade together. They need a chef and I need a I need a lot for some creativity. It's a fun gig Same time, I grow and have been growing for a while group back in the late 80s early 90s took a long break after I had kids and then got my growing license here in Canada an AC NPR which ability to grow plants medicinally in your home or Outdoors. So made it easier and started growing again at home. Okay. Alright. Alright, then. We'll listen man. Thank you. Thank you for coming on the show. I do appreciate it. No worries. Nice to be here. Hi Manuel. Listen, I mean I you know, really my first you know, really my first question for you and I said this in the intro, let me just say say this the I am not a great cook. All right, like I'm I mean, um, I'm a decent cook, but I'm not great. Well, I don't know the level of talent in terms of my list. Cooking abilities, but you know, I'll tell you what let's just say for argument's sake they are all like me they are you know, I guess somewhat decent Cooks now with that being said, how does a guy like me cook with cannabis? Well the beauty of cannabis and cooking with it is and using it in any kind of food is the fact that it's a fat soluble. So as a cook you get a recipe and see anything with fat. Can it be it butter? Coconut oil olive oil any kind of oil really duck fat if you want to go that end of it anything like that, but it's soluble in that so you look at that and you need to make an infusion using the oil in the Cannabis and then adding it directly into the the recipe that you want to use and being able to medicate yourself through that way and enjoying it internally by ingesting it and it's pretty easy. I mean look at Any sort of anything in a recipe that says, you know, what whether it's cookies and says, you know three quarters of a cup of butter then you know, you're going to be able to use at some point being able to put butter into that orange juice butter into that recipe at the same time. All right. Well, I mean, I'll tell you what, I mean, how does I guess how do you go about infusing your feet your food with cannabis? Well, I mean it all starts with with your cannabis, right? You're going to take a flower generally. It's important to know the percentage of THC in your flour. Does that really helps in figuring your and dosage when you're going to do the math to figure out what your dosage per portion is going to be so starting with you settle with your pod whether it be whatever type flower is best. You're going to grind that up to not a dust but grind it up just as you would to roll a joint. And I stood up and add it onto a piece of parchment paper important to use oil proof parchment paper. You don't want to lose all that THC. You're going to put in there at the same time put it on a sheet pan. And you're going to put it in the oven you have to activate it. I was right now raw THC is you can eat all the heat all the way you want until you actually decarboxylated which is the process of kicking raw THC. Which is thca and turning it into THC which we can ingest and activates in our bodies at the same time. Okay. Well, I mean, I know that we spoke last last Sunday and you mention decarboxylation and the importance of that, you know, when cooking cannabis now, I know you just you just mentioned that but if you could could you could you delve a little bit deeper as to why deep exhalation is so important. It's really important because raw THC is nothing you can eat as much Rock cannabis is he wants Gonna Make You full it's going to maybe add some Fiber to you, but it's not going to give you any site to act psycho active agents decarboxylated is what we do when we when we light a joint or when we have a pit we add heat and that activates it we ingest it. We take it in through our lungs then and it goes into our bloodstream when you ingested its Same thing you had a heat to it in order to activate it the only difference and important difference when you're ingesting is what happens when you ingest it it goes through your liver and your liver completely transforms that THC into another completely different compound and which is five times stronger than THC. So if you think you can smoke a gram of weed and eat a gram of decarboxylated weed You're mistaken the plant the plant will tell you who's boss at that point. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's funny. I mean why well, I mean, I know you're not a scientist right? But I mean why why are Edibles so much more potent? Yeah. Absolutely. Well when we smoke it, it goes through it goes into our lungs and then gets released into our blood and that's where it attached to the cannabinoids right at that point. It's Eleven hydroxy help. Tetrahydrocannabinol made I believe is the compound that it's called at that point when it goes into your liver. Oh, no, it's the other way around. So yeah, when it goes into your liver, it becomes 11 hydroxy tetrahydrocannabinol red, which is a completely different compound all together and which is that point that makes it stronger that the liver transforms the way it lets go and then gets released into your screen and then attaches to your cannabinoid receptors makes it Hunger so Edibles you have to be careful with they can really they can really set you down or they can put you in a really good place. I mean everybody has edible stories, right? Sure. Some of them are generally most of them are pretty funny in the end of it. All some of them are scary people get scared. You can you can really overdose yourself in Edibles and yeah, absolutely and make yourself to the point where you know your heart races racing thoughts. It's uncomfortable. Anxiety your pulse goes up your blood hot flashes cold flashes. All those things dizziness. Some people think they're high. Yeah, all those things. But the worst thing that can actually happen all of that, you know, if you actually calm yourself and let it pass is she'll go to sleep, right? Yeah, just some yeah, you can just lie down if you're not in a bad place, you know, that's and that's that's the danger of edibles. And what we do at campus cooking and most important thing is learning how to responsibly dos yourself to the point where you're not in that you want to have a good time. I use it for many things. I use it for pain. I use it for sleep. I use it, you know as opposed to having a couple of beers and going out and I'll eat some edibles and go out. It just makes you a little lighter right but you have to find the dose that worked for you everybody's different because because you ingest it because feels for your liver, there's so many variables. What you've eaten the day how fast your metabolism metabolism is to begin with ladies generally have a faster metabolism than men so it can affect affect women. It can take anywhere from an hour and a half to eight to ten hours to affect some people even I'd heard people that have eaten it and not felt it and then went to bed and woken up the next morning and felt it the next day, but it all Hands on the person so it's important when you start to start low dosage and and work your way up and find what's right for you, right and keep notes. We always encourage people to keep a journal if you're starting out. It really helps to just you know, you know what you did, you know, you made you know, how much you ingested at that point it work for you. This is great for sleeping. Oh I shouldn't, you know, try to mow my lawn, you know. I should never know. I shouldn't be driving my car and no bad idea. Right, you know things like that. You can find that balance that works for you and I use it. Like I said, I use it all differently for different levels for different things. Right? Yeah, and I remember you mentioning last week that well that micro died that micro dosing is important. Yeah micro dosing is totally important because again, it's finding that level right and when Of decarboxylated your pot and you've made your infusion. It's important to to not use a full dosage about infusion. I usually dilute it right. So if a recipe calls for a cup of butter, I'm going to use 3/4 of a cup of butter and 1/4 cup of cannabis oil or cannabis. That way you can control the dosage or you know that you're going to not use only a certain amount of cannabis oil can't other potential THC in that product then at that. A point so you can only go so far, you know as opposed to using a whole cup of cannabis. That's a lot of kids. That's that I mean that is a lot of that would I mean how much Jesus I mean how much would that actually be? If you really had a sit-down about it? Like well, I mean we talked last time and I kind of gave you an example of math that goes into it. Right, right. Yeah, if you could yeah, it's a little dry, but it's Easy to do. I mean you we did a weed a recipe and what like a minute or so when this just by going through the math and it's pretty straightforward. It's all about taking the amount of cannabis that you use versus the amount of the infusion the vehicle that you're going to use whether it what kind of oil what kind of fat you're using right? So let's say you're using an ounce of cannabis into ice. Thinkin I got it. Well we're in Canada so we do leaders of metrics. So it's all going to be milliliters of milligrams which is important with you're going to do cannabis either way because T is measured in milligrams. So a milligram in a milliliter is basically the same as easy to do the math back and forward so keep that in mind while I'm talking so it's not too confusing so back and forth, right? So an ounce of weed is 28 grams. Let's say okay sure as a round out you convert 28 Grams and milligrams of X by a thousand which is 28,000. So in two cups of butter, that's 500 Mills of butter. You've got 28,000. Milligrams of cannabis. Okay. So let's say your pod is only 20% Let's say it's 20 20 percent THC. If you don't know your your your percentage is good to estimate but estimate. Hi that way you're being on the safer side of it don't estimate low and surprise yourself how much it is is better to go on the high end of estimation. So let's say your we just 20% Out of that twenty eight thousand milligrams of cannabis only 20% of bat is actually active kids see right. So in order to get a percentage you times 28,000 by point to you get a number of that point you get 560 560, right? So in that 500 milliliters of of oil you've got 560 Milligrams of THC Total so then you know that each the you can divide 500 into five five points. You're going to get a number that when I think is 5.6 or whatever around that you get a number one point two, I believe or something along that run. Oh take take five 16 divided by 8 divided by 500 son. Let me see. Yep. Yeah, you get one point one two, yeah, 1.12. So, you know that each milliliter of that oil is Point one milligrams of THC at that point, right? Sure. Okay. So then it's going to make work that into a recipe at that at any way shape or form your recipe. Let's say you're making cookies it calls for a cup of butter, which is 250 milliliters. Mmm. You're going to use a quarter of that of cannabis, right? So you just going to put take that 560 divide it by x a 5.25 again. You're going to get a smaller number. Bye-bye to five and then it okay, right. Yep, and whatever cookies you've got you're going to put that into you know that so what's the number off of the sorry? I just don't have my calculator in front of relying on where it's wrong. It's 560 and you divide that by what 500 is up to said? Yes, I've 60 by 500 so that should be 1.1 or something per milliliter. Right? Exactly. Yeah, that's 1.12. Right? So 1/4 cup 1/4 cup. 250 divided by divided by 0.25 is what that will be. Okay a quarter. So yeah quarter 25. / what are you looking at? Look at that one. Maybe there's that feeling. That's right man. Hold on. No, that's we're doing math. exactly It's pretty low. Each cookie should probably be about 12 milligrams of THC potential in each cookie, which is a great microdose, you know at 10 milligrams 12 milligrams. You're really you're not in any danger of anything. You're going to feel it. You're going to either as a newbie. You're going to feel something or someone who smokes daily. Probably not going to do much to you. All right. Well, well, I mean, you know, if you eat, you know, if you need 50/50 cookies or 50 brownies or whatever. No, I mean you I mean you probably will eventually start to feel absolutely of THC on average right as a joint. So as someone who smokes daily or every other day or whatever a hundred milligrams isn't isn't going to knock you over if you're going to be stoned, right? So the same point when you're thinking about ingesting it Go half of what you're normally going to do. The 50 milligrams is probably perfect for someone who is a seasoned seasoned smoker a season user of cannabis, you know, but as a newbie or someone who is not you know is not a user or just trying it out at home for the first time start low, right? And again take notes and see what works for you. It's important to go at that point, but we didn't talk about actually making the infusion, which is what Right. Yeah. I wanted to get that. I mean, how do you I mean, how do you and listen to me? I know this is a podcast and perhaps, you know, this will make even a better video. But I mean, how do you actually how do you actually do it? I mean, you know, what are what are the steps? You know, I should take so I say we go we'll start back. We'll start back at the decarboxylation point right. You've got your you've got your pot take your oven preheat your oven to 250. Don't go any higher 250. It's important. Any higher than that the camera starts to break down a little bit. You want to go you want to you want to activate your part? You don't want to cook them a little bit and destroy it. So 250 is a good temperature. That's Fahrenheit start there spread it out on a sheet pan for about an hour. You want to cook that 250 in the oven? It's going to smell it's going to smell like someone's cooking meat in your house. That's what it's going to smell like if you're concerned with that. There's ways to do it that you can you can not it won't smell but we can go into that later. after after we go from this point, so you've taken your decarboxylated weed out of the oven the best way to easiest way that everybody has these tools at home that's to do is to make a double boiler on a stove in order to double boiler is do I take I think so taking the part of water filling it half water and putting a putting it on medium on the stove and putting a bowl stainless steel bowl on top of it this way the steam I'm kind of heats the bottom of it same way you'd melt chocolate or anything like that. You're making hollandaise or something like that same way but melting chocolates done the same way. So it's not direct heat. It's just the steam that's touching it you take whatever fat you're going to infuse and put it into that bowl and melted the scheme's going to melt that fat and heat it up. Take all your decarboxylated pot. Put that into the into the fat into the bowl and you're going to let that cook slowly. For two to three hours, let it cook slowly. Let it slip it's two in there. You can stir it a little bit come back. You got to be careful when nobody though that you don't run underwater come back and check it on a regular basis because running water water. You can burn your oil burn everything and make a mess away you have so it's really important to make sure that you check the water level always so come back to it and then you make your infusion that way at that after your three our point. Don't get a strainer put it over a bowl put a piece of cheese cloth in a strainer and pour all your oil into it gather up all the the the ends of the the cheesecloth and press out the amount of everything out of the get everything out of the leftover leaf and flower that's in there the vegetable matter and what you're left with is your infusion your basic cannabis infusion, whatever oil you want to use. And that's the basis of whatever you're going to do. You got your decarboxylation. Now, you've made your infusion now, you're ready to cook with cannabis at this point. All right. So now you're now you are ready to go. You are ready to cook brownies cookies brownies. So right now now Don Emilio, let me ask you this. Right? I mean when now I'm not I'm not really overly familiar with you know with a, you know, actually actually cooking and right and be, you know cooking with cannabis but swallow. Can you say cook a steak or chicken with cannabis? I mean or is that type of food is that I guess is it Innocence is it way too complicated to actually be infused with with cannabis. No, no, not at all because know you could cause you can take like I said, you can make a sauce right? Let's say I'm making a barbecue sauce or even just an infused butter say I took a butter infused cannabis butter and I mixed it with regular butter and made sort of a compound butter with some herbs and some garlic and shallots in it. Okay something around. Line and then using it to either finish the steak with because you don't want to because when you're going to cook a steak, whether you're barbecuing it or you're going to sear it the temperature is going to be really high sure. You don't want to you don't want to put your infusion on it beginning. That's something you want the infusion on at the end. But if you're going to do you're going to roast a chicken and you're never going to go above 350 degrees when you're roasting the chicken and absolutely you can you can you can paint the barbecue sauce on it. You could paint whatever but Sir, what do you make a chimichurri or any sort of marinade using an infused olive oil put it on there, but you have to know how much you're using and how much like let's say each tablespoon is infused with let's that's always a good way to look about it. A tablespoon is 15 milliliters. So if you've got an infusion and you know how much each milliliter is then you know how much a tablespoon of soy sauce is going to be. So let's say your infusion is like every milliliters to two tables that are two milligrams of THC. And a tablespoon is going to have 30 milligrams of THC in it. See you know, that that chicken has 30 milligrams of THC on the outside of it baking and making it smaller as easy because you can manage the dosage when you're cooking it in a big Mass. It all depends on how much the person eats right you're resting a chicken and you know, you eat like a leg and a thigh and then go back and have another another leg and somebody just has a couple of slices of breast. Well, then, of course, you're gonna definitely have more THC in it then everybody just up a little bit. That's right. That's why making it and doses you can break it up into little pieces that way, you know, each individual dose. You can do a Savory. I mean, I've done cornbread muffins. Yeah. Absolutely. There's no reason why not. You're just going to bring butter. Oh, yeah. That's right. That's true. You can do biscuits muffins. Yeah, there's no about how about ice cream. Can you do that? Absolutely. Yeah again in milk and and and all those things is fat. So you've already gotten to that point you can take your pot you just gonna have to do it the same way. You're going to have to infuse you could Infuse the milk. That's one way you can do it do the infusion the same way just slow cook for me. Milk with with the pod in it. The only difference is that THC is soluble in oils and fats differently in butter. You're only going to get about 60 percent solubility coconut oil. That's why people use coconut oil or mtcr set MCT oil is because it's about 80% solubility 85% You're getting more THC, you know when you make your infusion with that You're getting the maximum of what you can get so milk is going to be a little less. But yeah, there's no reason why you can't or you can just do the butter or the coconut oil and then fold the coconut oil whatever amount one into the ice cream when you're making it. There's no reason. Yeah in India, they've been doing it forever. There's a thing called a bong lassi which is it's made with yogurt and they but they do it at certain celebrations during out through them and they make like a yogurt drink with with weed in that they've been drinking it for hundreds of thousands of years. So in this state that's done once a year. It's usually tied in with sheba's Festival that point. Yeah. Yeah, so it's been something that's been done. They figured that out a long time ago how to make an infusion and what to do with it. It's all part of its operation and culturally acceptable there. It's not bound on it is but that time of the year, right? Right. Yes, let me know. I know this is maybe a bit off topic but like what's yeah, I mean, I've always wondered that. What is the what is the the Cannabis culture in India? I haven't been there my understanding the culture and and cannabis culture. I've always fascinated with how it's accepted because there's a stigma around it, right? And in all over the world, it's it's different the stigmas, you know here because it's equally it's legal. It's just recently legal in Canada. I don't know if you're aware that all right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we've got we've just recently got legal legalized. It's out of 2018. I think it was October 17. That was my birthday. Actually. Happy birthday celebration. But even though it's legal, it's still found on right? I don't know even mine. I grow in my home and just released yesterday. My landlords were here looking at my house to install central air and Yeah, you know that was still a little I was a little on edge. I don't need to I'm all legal. It's all on the up-and-up but do I run a shout it from the rooftops? Probably not ready to party my ladders listening to it or figuring it out. Probably not right and knowing but hey, let's try slipping was there right? So that's sort of around and it's not the same everywhere else. So some places been legal for a long time looking in Hollander or in other places are patroller. Spain places where it's been legal for a lot longer and you guys as well you look in California and Oregon and Colorado and places like that. It's it's changed. That's right. Yeah, regardless you're going to have that mentality that off drugs. It's is there's a criminal element all those things. There isn't right there was because putting it under made that made that there but yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, I know it's just, you know at its core it's just simply a plan. Don't you know absolutely and we because we have these cannabinoid receptors in our in our body like we've had this relationship with this plant and an us as humans probably goes a lot deeper than we actually understand or know, right? How long have we been you know, those receptors run along the same Tides as as your endocrine system and your immune system. That's part of your body. You don't have a Prozac system or a Expensive in your body. There's a reason that that relationship with the plant and US mammals are animals on the planet goes a lot deeper I think and well, you know something you said, you know, you said, you know, I mean, I'm getting back to cooking with cannabis you said or you mentioned the actual smell? So when you're cooking with cannabis, you know, I guess you you indicated that it's going to smell like cannabis. Now with that being said, I mean, how do you actually cook with cannabis and kind of I guess in a sense contain the the actual smell itself? Well, you can use those other ways to make the infusion a sous-vide machine is a what's that? I couldn't quite I couldn't. It's a machine you use we use it in cooking a lot. It's been around for a while. It's quite available. Now, you can buy them and kitchen stores and hardware stores, but it sous-vide it's basically it's a French word means underwater basically or under under under so that's what s you can you ve ous. Oh, okay sou S VI d e VI D. So all right. Okay, so this is a machine. Machine that you're cooking in water your thing. Whatever you're cooking and say let's say you're doing your decarboxylated pot. You're going to vacuum cylinder put it in a bag nice tight bag so that it's in full contact with what you're putting it in. You take the water. You'll hit your CT machine 285 degrees, which is as hot as it's going to go against water that point. It keeps the water constant at that temperature and moves it around and circulates it so the water that all that water, Whatever you're doing in the sous-vide machine basically a machine and hook it on the side of a pot fill it with water. Turn it on TV it to that temperature take your ID card pot that's in your bag. You've sealed this bag whether it's a vacuum vacuum pack machine you use or that the home vacuum machines are some sous vide machines come with a pump that you can seal bags with and use it with you. Put it in in there 185 Want to go a little longer because it's a lower temperature. So let's say you put it in there for two hours. I booked you take it out open that up that pot is now decarboxylated and no one smells anything because it's all been in the bag at that point. And then when you want to make your infusion, you can kind of do it the same way. You can do the sous vide do it in do a put into your oil and your pot into a mason jar put it in the sous-vide machine set the temperature. 185 and put it in there and let it Infuse in the bag or in the Mason jar inside the sous-vide machine and cook that way and then you've made your infusion without making any smell so, you know, if you want to be low-key about it, if you're in an apartment or somewhere where you know pot isn't legal that that's the way you want to do it. You can do it with no smell. Okay. All right. Now if you don't have a beat machine you can do the infusion the same way with a crock pot with with the oh with a Crock-Pot, yeah, you can make an infusion with the crop. The only problem is it's hard to set a temperature. Most crock pots are just like high in the low. Yeah, so you have to find The Sweet Spot you can use a thermometer fill it with water or figure out the sweet spot on your crock pot set up Market with a piece of marker or something. So, you know the spot where it is the right temperature and then you can be infusion in the Mason jar in that with water. That's a kind of a thing we do in cooking. It's called a bain-marie. Era water bath and that's the same kind of style of SUV and you have to buy the fancy sous-vide machine than a hundred. They're probably about a hundred and fifty bucks hundred twenty-five bucks. Yeah. I'm actually I just I went to Google as your typing this and they're you know, they're like, you know 80 bucks. Yeah. Yeah so that you bad so and it's been you know, what you can do some really cool stuff. You can cook with it to you can make steak in there. You can pre Stakes up reseal them in there. And you take it out a perfect medium-rare after it's cooked for a couple of hours. You do the marination and everything inside it throw it on the grill when your steaks done in a minute and a half two minutes. Just putting grill marks on it. You get a perfect. Medium-rare steak Yeah, you can do it. You can cook with a sous-vide a whole bunch of different ways to do it, which is cool. So so notice though not just for not just not your energies for weed. It's not overly expensive too. Do that if you want to make an infusion at home and you want to be low-key then you know, we're under a hundred dollars. It's a good investment, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so and I mean, you know, and as you know this podcast it's called cheap home grow, right? So, you know, we're looking to save the the most money in terms of growing cannabis or in this case cooking with cannabis. So yeah, and that's really I mean if you have an oven at home and and a stove and a pot and some water can you can make an infusion and you can cook, you know, you can make canvas at home really cheap, right? Yeah, you know some women and that's a yummy really that's what question I like to ask everybody that comes on the show. I mean how much I know and I understand this is a rather broad. That's a rather broad question. But I mean, how much does it actually cost to cook with your own cannabis depends? Right? I mean if you're growing at yourself, that's a whole other. That's a whole other ballgame, right? I mean suddenly you're your cost of wheat is Right sure exactly. If you're buying it, then it's the cost of what you're what you're buying it. But again, you can store it. You're not using it all in one shot. It's not that you're cooking with an ounce of pot and and taking the whole POD at the whole ounce at the one time if you make an infusion like butter, you can freeze it afterwards store it for a long time oils last a long time as well. Yeah, you can't freeze the oil so much but if you put it in a in a dark place because it is a UV sensitive cakey so cool and dark is important. So there's no light fun. But yeah, you can store it for a long time oil can be stored indefinitely, you know for that amount of time and in the butter or anything like that or coconut oil in the fridge the freezer a long time as well. So announce, you know, whatever it is sounds like a couple hundred bucks. I'm not sure what it is in Rhode Island where you guys are but Up here. It's anywhere from a little commercially. I hear crazy stories about $300 ounces. But yeah, right that's a lot of time. I never pay $300 for us. You should see a we just now. I don't know just how it works up here. If they don't grow our you're not buying from the black market and buying canvas on line up here. You have to buy from the online store the government store. You all right? Yeah, so it's like $10 $12 a gram. It's really nice. Yep, Jesus Christ, you know Joe public who isn't like hasn't been buying weed for years and doesn't have a dealer or just a place to buy it is spending a lot of money on pipe Jesus Christ. It's different up here. So the price of what you purchase your wheat for versus And she going to use it's pretty cheap, you know to make some cookies and you know and to make like a quarter, you know, so I got dozen cookies for somebody. It's probably going to cost you 25 bucks. Look sir said in the end right when you think yeah, I mean, you're not make easy dosage of it, right? You're not you're not making 500 milligram cookies. You're making out 20 milligram. Cookies. Holy shit, man. You would be I went to this nut slot yesterday and this guy made a hundred fifty. Well, he thinks a hundred and fifty. I'm pretty sure it was more than that. He made these brownies and I hate one yesterday. I was four. I was sitting on the couch time to pretty seasoned edible leader stairs watching television. I realized the point where I was like, ah, my ears are ringing my feet are throbbing I could feel I was really hot. I don't think I'm gonna go to bed. Yeah. I went to bed. I slept like a baby. Right, I if I would have stayed awake that would have been a fun ride, but I was tired. I took the out but yeah, I was a With food I have I have a personal question here for you. I you know, I am a hockey player, right? So I deal with the trauma of playing hockey you look I also have sleeping issues. So I guess you know my question to you is this what you know what recipe or recipes and I know that we have talked about this but you know, I mean, what would you recommend for a guy like me that's dealing with pain and with A lack of sleep. Okay, so you're going to look at what dosage works for you when you're going to take it because I look for another I had my eye to knee replacement last year. I had complete knee replacement or they took everything out put metal in there and all the cartilage and everything and took me a few months to recover but I used the Edibles as opposed to using oxycottons and add the hydrochloride and the Hydromorphone to to get better because you do most you're here. In your sleep, which is important. So sleeping is a big part of it when you're in pain trying to fall asleep. It's hard to do. So you got to find that a double dose here sleep work for you where it's going to knock you out and keep you asleep. Right? Like last night. Like I said, I slept like a baby but you know that was a little over the top but you maybe not want to do that every night, but you know, like when I'm when I was Malaysia makes caramels and They're caramels are average about 50 to 75 milligrams. They're pretty strong, but they're good for someone of who myself it works of the dosage where we can meet one caramels. Good two of those caramels will put me to sleep. I'll be asleep in about 3 hours if I ate two of them, so it was perfect when I was recovering. I was I knew that I wanted to go to sleep at like a nine o'clock at night or ten o'clock at like after dinner. I eat a couple caramels and Hours, I'd lie down and watch television and that would be it I'd wake up the next morning and I got off the I was off the Oxycontin sand the Hydromorphone and probably about two and a half weeks. Yeah. Yeah, and I used he said was and I mean I wasn't working. I was still doing physio. I had to do physio like three times a week, but I I would then I would diss micro dose during the day. I would take like a quarter caramel in the morning. If I had to go do my physio I make sure I have a caramel just to measure it out and it just sort of took the pain away. I didn't make the pain go away but it made it more localized less localized. You know, it's kind of a pain was kind of over there not it wasn't that Tony are attached to you. It was kind of I don't know if you know what I'm saying is it was kind of fun local it was the pain was removed. Yeah, just a little bit and it helps and it keeps your Inset in the right place to write and there's nothing worse than trying to in recovery and a lot of people deal with depression and all those things that well go along with using big Pharma same time T, right you just start using opiates or things like that for pain and Recovery. Then there's a lot more that goes along with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I mean I've talked to a lot of people, you know, whether it be in person online, you know vnd em and You know, I mean one, you know one common theme that a lot of people say is that they have used cannabis to get off of prescription drugs. It is a lot of this is a lot of benefits and depending on what you use right? I mean smoking and using the terpenes from sativa or indica right are different effects work for different people. If you've got high anxiety, you're not going to want to have a sativa. That's not going to put you in a good place. If you want to get stuff done, you're not going to smoke an Indica during the day. That's not going to get anything done. So you have to know what terpenes work for you when you cook with cannabis though. That means do not matter the strain of a pot doesn't matter. Hmm because all those terpenes those active things that change the effects of indica and sativa are gone. You just left with THC at that point. So that's why Edibles are always that car more of an Indica feels more of a body Buzz. Never mind. Buzz you don't get a sativa. Edible. You'll never going to get that racy. If you're looking for a an uplifting racy thing Edibles are not going to be here. The Bulls are gonna affect you differently. They're going to put you in more of an Indica because THC is more of a not a stimulant. No, it'll put you down a little bit more to relax you relax your muscles make you sit down and like I said go to sleep eventually if you take enough of it, that's what the end result. I told him too much. Yeah, you know some yeah, that's that's a good point that you just made there because I didn't really I didn't really think about that like well, you know is it you know is cooking with with cannabis. Is it strain dependent? And apparently it's not no. No, it doesn't matter at that point your went you've D car but once you've D carved it you removed all those terpenes well burnt off. That's what you're smelling when you're cooking it. All right. Well, you know down let's I'll tell you what, I mean you've been to look for the better part of an hour, but I really You know, I just have one I guess one last. Well not I mean this is my last question. But you know, you've you've taught me and hopefully the listeners ways to cannabis but you know, I guess turning that around a little bit. You know, let's let's talk about I guess common mistakes that you see people that want to you know, that want to cook with cannabis, you know often make it will Wonders of course is dosage, right? I think the biggest important one like a my leg my example from last night the brownie right? I mean that can really that can make or break it for anything. That's edible. So like what if you're a first timer and you didn't know and you ate that brownie, you're probably not going to have a doubles again at for a long time. That's why you away from that and I think that's the biggest thing is is is learning the dosage and learning the right way not to do it as opposed to the wrong way to not to not the end result. Yeah, you want to enjoy yourself but there's a point. I swear you're not going to enjoy yourselves and maybe we'll there are people that like to use it as a spiritual kind of Journey at the same time. I talked to a couple of people that like to Green out and to get to that point where there had too much Edibles and kind of work through their problems and calm them. Down and use it kind of as a spiritual thing at the same time which isn't for everyone but you know it is there people do it on purpose to get to that point, but they're not everybody wants to do that. So that's the biggest one the big mistake and second are probably not D carbon your pot properly. So not getting the full potential out of what you're cooking with. It's really important to D car bit use a cooking not cook it too high. Like I said, no higher than 250 in your oven to 40s perfect, but go any higher and to use it at that point to make your infusion if you don't be car but properly and you cook it too high or you don't cook it long enough. You're not going to get the full activation of THC is here kind of wasting your your part of that point. So you want to get you know, like you said cheap home grow. Let's get the most out of what we're doing that point. So save your money and do it, right? And and then you're that you know, you're not going to make it makes okay Don. Um, well, I'll tell you what Tommy this I tell you what, this is actually my last question. This is a question that I like to ask everybody that comes on the cheap home grow podcast. And with that being said, are there any questions that I should be asking in are there any final statements that you would like to make about cooking with cannabis? You know what remember be creative? I'm right, you know, it's a it's it's something you can you can do and put into fat so, you know, as far as recipes go the sky's the limit enjoy yourself at that point and you know don't just make cookies and don't just make gummy bears and brownies try different things. Try barbecue sauce is hot sauces stews different things. There's all sorts of outlets out there that you can be creative using cannabis and you know, you could do to hold dinner party the salad dressing right of the desert that Absolutely. Okay. All right. Yeah, don't be scared. Don't be scared of what you're doing. Well, I guess this is this is almost self-explanatory, but it's problems to know how to cook first before you actually start cooking with cannabis. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely, you know dial down some recipes, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and then go from there. All right, Don well for you listeners out there you can go followed on on Instagram at Chef Donn 23 and also cannabis cooking co-write. Yes. Yep. That's out of Toronto here as well. And we do a lot of classes weekly classes for teaching how to make an infusion how to do recipes different themes. We do begin classes Savory classes sweet. Isis kind of people use it as different things to they use it like we've had people come up from the states. We had a few people from Chicago come up as make it like a tourist destination point and because they're kind of Hear The Knowing cannabis is legal and then doing something like learning a cooking class at the same time as whole part of the vacation. So it's kind of cool. Yeah. Well, you know, if I ever do come up there, I'm definitely going to give you a ring and you know, yeah man check that on. Yeah. Why not come learn? We'd love to have you. Yeah, what's the outside? Well, what is the actual website? Is it is it? Yeah cannabis cooking company.com. Okay all one word. Yeah, and yeah cannabis cook companies. All righty. All right Manuel. Listen, Don. I I do appreciate you coming on the show, man, and you know, I hope to talk to you again soon awesome was great having and thanks for having me on it was great sharing some information with you. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, after the recording ended Don contacted me via DM on Instagram and he wanted to discuss another mistake that people make regarding how long Edibles take to have an effect. So don. If you could could you please speak to that a little bit more? Yeah, you know after the whole interview I was processing a little bit and realized after really portent point, you know Edibles aren't because you ingest them and it's it's it's gone. It goes into your stomach and is broken down and then Works its way into your liver and it's distributed the effects of this distributed at that point throughout your body. And like I said previous how the tetrahydrocannabinol had the Delta dine is actually transformed and hydroxy 11 completely different. Five times stronger, but this process takes a long time. It doesn't it's something you eat an edible and half an hour later. You're feeling the effects. It's never that fast, you know, you can be as fast as maybe an hour 45 minutes now upwards to 2 to 6 to even 12 hours. Some people it really makes a makes a big difference on your metabolism. What you eaten that day on an empty stomach. It's no different than drinking and how it affects you when you eat a drink on an empty. Stomach or you don't want to do stomach effects are different. So you've got to remember that. It's a big mistake people make a lot of times is you know, they eat the half a brownie. Like they were told two and half an hour later an hour later. The ball is just not doing anything for me. I'm going to eat the other half and you know three hours later. They're in a fetal position on their bed trying to hold hold on to gravity. At that point because it's really it's really him all at one point and they shouldn't have taken that much right? And so people need to remember that it takes time and that's why it's so important to test yourself when you're eating Edibles. That's why I said earlier take a journal keep a journal and how much you ingest how took you and the effects that it gave you at that point and how you felt then you can judge. It's really your you really have to take your time. And that's if that's important, especially when you're out doing Things if you're going out and eating Edibles or you're even thinking about operating having anything, you know, and he stays like that you might want to think twice timing-wise when it's going to hit you so they don't think that's a really pertinent and a super important part of the whole understanding Edibles and how they work and how to inject possible. It's just thinking how long it takes to the effects to actually get to you and all of that. So be safe out there that's important. Okay? Yes, sir. So basically you should worry about you know, you should worry, I guess to sum it up. You should worry about your time frame pretty much. Yeah, your timeframe and figure out what your time frame is, you know test yourself do 10 20 milligrams and see how long it takes you to feel anything if anything at all, right and then judge don't don't jump into it and you know eat one gummy bear and then decide. Well, those were really good. I'm going to have 10 more then regret it later and be that guy who has the really tie story about The Edibles they had on the week. Yeah, exactly. Yeah you yeah, you definitely don't want to be that guy because that is not have good stories or well, I mean it does but funny but they're not necessarily exactly. All right. All right down. Well, I mean, is there anything else that you would like to you know that you would like to know? I think that's it, you know all the stuff I talked about before and just that important. All right. I just want everybody to They're out there and enjoying Edibles and trying it for the first time just to keep all those things in mind and be safe and responsible and enjoy them. Hello Jeep homegrown Nation. Thanks for listening to my podcast with Don. He can be found on Instagram at Chef Donn 23. I encourage you to go to cheap home grow.com forward slash episode 74 show. Oh highlights. I hope you've enjoyed this episode. And please remember the press the Subscribe button and leave a review. I look forward to talking with you next Tuesday. I am reaching out to you to ask you really one question and I want to know how am I doing as a podcaster? What topics do you want me to cover? Is there anything specific please reach out to me? Please? Get back to me. I can be found online at cheap home grow.com under the Contact us page and also you can message me directly on my Twitter and Instagram account at cheap home grow. Thank you for listening to the cheap home grow podcast. 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