Hey guys, if you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer. Anchor will distribute your podcast for you so that it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started. I'm an anchor and I can't say enough about it. So get started down. Hi everyone, you're listening to superwomen today's guest is Claire Wasserman. The founder of ladies get paid. She saw a real need in the market about helping women who are climbing the corporate ladder, which is majority of America and Beyond in negotiating and really galvanizing a 30,000 plus strong group of women to just help them figure out. What the heck do I do? And how do I make more money? So take a listen? So I'm sitting here with Claire Wasserman the founder of ladies get paid. Yay. Thank you for having me. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. So will you tell our listeners a little bit about you? Well ladies get paid is sure. Yeah. So ladies get paid is a National Organization. We help women negotiate for pay and for power at work and we do that through an online Network where women are actually crowdsourcing career advice. They go in they have a situation at work. They don't know where to go right Googling their problems isn't really solving it. Find 40,000 other women from all 50 states and more than 100 countries. Laugh who are basically like yeah me too. This stuff is hard and the peer to peer sharing is really powerful. I think just to discover that you're not alone and then we look at what they're talking about. So we create workshops webinars. We've got an annual conference anything we can do to help women realize that they have a lot more than just taking what they're given right get into the driver's seat of your career, even if your junior middle ER you know you feel like you're at a company they don't have paid family leave and you're like, I'm gonna go find another job. Well, hey, have you tried to advocate for that Paid Family Leave right? I started it about two and a half years ago. What was the inspiration? Oh God. Misogyny sexism long story. Okay, so I have to admit something. I never considered myself a feminist. I actually would say I was pretty anti-feminist what before you answer the first question. Let's unpack that. What about the Feminist. Did you associate with it? That was like your aunt II now this is so embarrassing. I knew the word feminazi okay, which is just offensive in and of itself and that I think was part of sort of the Lexicon even if it was subconscious. I thought it meant you had to be angry you had to hate men shave your armpits. Like there's no way you could be feminine and a feminist, right? So embarrassing because that is a complete misunderstanding and feminazi was a term I think coined in the late. He's by not Bill O'Reilly but you know part of the Fox News crew and there I was taking what they told me, right? And again remember this was, you know, early 2000s. Now you pass H&M and they have T-shirts that say feminism it's cool. So I pretty distance myself from that and it's interesting because my mother was the second class of women at her College real groundbreaking but never talked about it never talked about what it was like to be one of the only women and and so I I think took it for granted that things were equal now, but there was no more struggle and going to college. I mean women today are the majority of today's college graduates, right? So I don't think you fully realize that the power dynamics are unfair until you are in the workforce and usually it sword hits you and that's what it did for me. I wasn't expecting the the kind of sexism misogyny experience because to be honest, it wasn't really obvious, right and there's a term for that. It's called micro. Sessions. So there were all these little experiences that overtime kind of eroded my my sense of self. If I was more than just, you know, the girl helping the guy. I mean, I was always the person behind the scenes writing the script for my male bosses. And and that's fine when you're first getting started right but something I noticed in every single job I had when I started to gain confidence, you know, when I started to be the person on stage I felt that they were threatened I once had a boss that I was getting too big for my quote britches. Wow, and at the time I just felt bad, but now in doing the work that I do. I realize there's all there's some sexism in there to unpack right and it took having a really obviously sexist experience for me to do anything about it. So that was going to can to the advertising Festival that happens every year there when into a party guy comes up to me this older guy smiling lovely guy. She ghetto puts out his hand. He said hi. Whose wife for you? It's like it's awful Mad Men. We are still in Mad Men. Yep. And you know, this is a festival where they send the top CEOs of brands of agencies and unsurprisingly. That's a lot of guys right. It's like 10,000 people there and you feel it when you go to events. I mean, I remember going to this party and it was like the women there were all models and on then me, right and we were there for a week and I just felt gross. But again still I still couldn't call it out. I still felt uncomfortable saying that something was sexist and you know, I never want to be the one to point fingers. So I reflected on my rule in my experiences and I had been you know, people are drinking and I would be pitching the business that I was part of and and some guy would stop me and go you're hot and that happened for a week and I realized when I got home how fucking exhausted I was trying to navigate conversations from a place where I was being objectified or felt uncomfortable back to Business, you know when I was working for a company where we needed clients, right? So there's inherently a power dynamic in there where you can't tell somebody to f off you just can't you need their business, right? And so when I got home from Canada wrote this essay and the essay was not so much about my experience at can but rather my processing it. I thought that was actually the most interesting part of grappling with, you know, did I play a role in this was my skirt Too Short? Right, right. This is what women tend to do. It's got to be my fault. Not theirs. Right and I thought about publishing my essay. I was worried that I might lose jobs, you know that it might be misinterpreted as that kind of man. Hey TIG, right? And so instead I shared it with some girlfriends of mine who were like, yeah. Oh my god. I've experienced this to do. You mind if I share it with some of my friends and they shared it and those friends wrote back with their stories. And then this this essay sort of went viral in our inboxes, and this was before me too. You know became mainstream I guess and and it just was incredible to not be isolated in our experiences. Which also meant no more shame right? When you see that you are not the only one it normalizes your experience and it and it validates it which now allows you to do something about it. Right? So, you know, the next thing I did was not ladies get paid, you know, I just started to research feminism to be honest. I was like, what is the definition of this thing? And and You know women in the workplace. What is the wage Gap didn't know what that was and I started to uncover these statistics that were just so much worse than I thought. Yep, you know the fact that less than 22 percent of women are making it past middle management. No idea no idea the fact that the wage Gap is not 78 cents of the dollar for everybody. Right? If you are a woman of color we're talking about 63 to 68 cents. Right? Right, if you're Hispanic, let's get really granular here. If you are Hispanic woman you are making closer to 55. Five cents to the dollar and that actually was a statistic that made me do something because it was like if other people don't know that I mean listen, I'm an educated person and I was so embarrassed that I didn't know it and yep, you know, when you discover things like this, you have a couple of choices, you can ignore it. You can go. Well the problem is too big for me. I can't solve it. So you ignore it. You can keep reading about it and feel like crap third one. You can do something about it and I didn't do something for about a year because again, As an individual, how can you combat something? That is so systemic, right? So it took me a year before I just said let's get a bunch of women in a room and talk about this stuff. And so who was the immediate network of women that you reached out to and did you know the name of it? Yeah. So I was fortunate to have worked for a company called working not working working not working.com. Shout out to Justin and Adam. So it's a network of professional creatives mostly in the advertising and design space and they connect based on their Ability to work, right? You're working not working available soon. Got a big Network out of that. I also before was the director of marketing at an organization called the art directors club, which is now part of the one club and it's sort of the nonprofit version of working not working and so through that I had a really big network of women. Well, not really. I mean I actually was one of the guys gals like I really didn't have many girlfriends right? But so the weight that I started was I reached out to five women that I knew who I knew would totally get I was trying to do and my idea was let's let's do a town hall. Not a panel want to do a town hall about money, which essentially was you get on the microphone you share a story about what money means to you and then we try to see if you know other people can help you figure stuff out which is not really a town hall to be honest. I just called it that and and so I asked five women. Who do you think should be here? I want this to be really special. Who do you think won through three people you think should definitely be part of this conversation, you know, will you invite them or will you introduce them to me and kind of like my essay? That's how it happened because every time I got introduced to somebody I would then ask them. Who do you think should absolutely be part of this conversation? Yeah, right not just spread the word but who will add something really meaningful and who will be moved by this conversation and So within like two hours, we had a hundred women signed up. Holy shit, and that's how it started with, you know, no plans to create, you know, he even do another event it was Like a one-time. Let's just see if other people are also feeling this odd Judah that I have been right and I picked money because of what it represents so really for me less so about the dollars and more about power and worth and value and did we recognize our own value? And then the second part where we advocating for our value and then the third part is where we being recognized for Value turns out nobody was very happy with it. You know, we all felt kind of underappreciated so So I guess that you know, the good thing was that is that we all felt crappy, but then there was energy to do something right now. So you went from a hundred women to now you have over 40,000. Yeah. Yeah, that is amazing. I know I you know, it's one of those things where I want to say, I'm so lucky but you know what women tend to say that right? We're kind of putting it out of our own power, but then we're like, I hate it. I used to have a president that worked for my company. She's like, well, you're just so lucky. I'm like, I worked my fucking ass. Off there was no block here. I'm so glad you curse because I wasn't sure if I had weird the first year we curse me share a very intimate details. Well good because what I'm doing for work is fucking hard and and we're up against the fucking patriarchy without it. I mean, it's always a balance of push and pull right so you work really hard but then you step back and you see kind of like fate unfold but then you look at it and you go. All right, where am I going to push hard again? Yep, I and how do I be smart about it? So it is that constant? I'm hustling but I also have to just let it be because what I imagine this will become let the women surprise me. Yeah, right. Let them show me what they're really concerned about fascinated by moved by but I'm happy to say that the vision I had from the beginning we've done we've done almost everything. Wow. Yeah, I mean there's a lot more to do but I'm just really really proud of I think that's the better word. It's not that I feel lucky. I just feel proud. So what will you tell people because I have my own let's say within my own company things. I've had to negotiate for myself that I shouldn't have had to do. But you know, I do work in a structure of a company that I regret not pushing harder on then I was texting with a friend of mine who's the president of a company and she's all women pro whatever and she's like I have trouble advocating for myself and I'm trying to get a raise and I'm like, are you are you kidding me? Right now? You're the president of this company. Just tell him what you want and you're leaving and she's you know, so how How do you tell women that seemingly should be able to just very easily ask for what they want and they're still that like well, I don't know if I should get more. Yeah, I mean, I think you've got to start with your feelings and validate them. So before you jump to oh stop feeling bad. So I feel like it's like a bouncing ball on the top of a pool. If you keep trying to push the fears down it'll bounce back up if they really take some time to unpack. Why are all the reasons that you feel scared right? Do you feel You're going to lose the opportunity. Do you feel just so grateful that you know by asking for more you're going to seem greedy or pushy and if the answer is yes, then my question to you is why right? Why do you feel that way? And usually the responses were socialized to be that way? So that's also part of the validating. You're not making this up right women are taught to be nice and quiet and good. Here's the thing. There's the market research. Of course, that's that's sort of the unemotional part. Of what's your rate and that can be difficult to figure out and I can talk a bit more about how to do that. I think what's most important is seeing the value that you've brought and quantifying the impact and if you're not in a position where you're directly bringing in money, then that can be hard. Yep, right. So then you have to be a detective and that is my challenge to you is ask if you're unsure ask your manager. What's my impact here? How does the company make money and work backwards from that to see your place in? It's interesting that you mentioned somebody who's at the top. I think we all know the strongest negotiators are the ones who were able to walk away to your point. Right? So that's where it's always have your eyes open to other opportunities. Do your side hustle. I mean just just see all the ways that you can strengthen your position because sometimes at the end of the day that is the only way that you are going to get a raise is if you walk right. I guess I couldn't walk from my own company when I didn't negotiate for myself the The the maternity leave I should have taken, you know, well that's hard be like but it's your company. I'm like, yeah, but there's you know things and I don't know. Well the hard thing is now that we're hiring people were on the other side, right? We're like damn we have to pay people so much money and give them all the benefits and you know, and of course we should do that and we are yeah, but we're a very small company. It's just been myself and one other person so then the empathy I have for the other side. I mean and that's actually something we teach the women in our community. Is yes be a strong negotiator, but you have to do it with empathy totally and that will actually help you put yourself in their shoes and you'll probably be a stronger negotiator, right? I'm excited to tell you all about the pretty big deal podcast with Ashley Graham. If you aren't familiar with Ashley Graham, she is a super model entrepreneur body activists. And now the host of her very own podcast in this season 1 She interviewed such gas as Kim Kardashian Serena Williams and Amy Schumer and now she's back for a new season with new episodes launching every single week where she talks business confidence Family Fashion love and so much more. She recently launched three new episodes featuring journalist Gayle King. Businesswoman Cindy Eckert and model Paloma Alessa, sir, which you can listen to on Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. So tune in. So what are some of the biggest hurdles you've had to overcome in starting this from a hundred women to 40,000? I'm sure we could be here all day. But like what are some of the like those moments where you're like, I'm not sure if this gonna I'm like get my therapist here. Okay. So listen, I have two other companies that I started that epically failed. I don't like to call it a failure because I learned from them, but then I realized I think I was just in denial guess they were failures what I learned from them really really helped me. The solid base from which I grew ladies get paid and that was trust your decisions and I had work for a small company before this. So actually I you know, I am able to trust my decisions because I did see somebody else struggle with some of the things that I knew I was going to struggle with I would say the hardest thing for me isolating the variable that doesn't work. So for example, let's say we host a workshop and not that many people come. How do you know the reason why is it the price point the subject matter? Is it the time of Say the location. We didn't mark it enough. I mean there are so many reasons why something might not work. How do you know and that requires you to try it again and tweak a variable but to do that you have to have a strong stomach, right? You need to be willing to gamble money to try again. And then you also need to know when to cut your losses. That's not something that necessarily gets easier. It's still confusing at times to figure out why something doesn't work, but you do start to realize what does work and then you go hard into that yet. All right. Revenue stream is rocking. Let's do more of that. So I say that's the hardest and then of course the emotional roller coaster, but I find that I am more anxious working for somebody else then I am working for myself. Same thing with money. I am more anxious working for somebody else with a steady paycheck that I am working for myself with an unstable paycheck. And I think that comes from the market tells me if I did a good job or not versus a boss saying hmm. I didn't like your work at least with what I do if people don't show up for a class. Okay, let the market decide if they want my product so I don't know if it's my ego or you know, there's something easier for me about accepting how other people feel when their customers it just is way more objective. Yep. I've also gone on anti-anxiety medication without sound like I'm about to cry actually I'm not because I'm taking the anti-anxiety medication that has helped me so much in just stabilizing. Nothing is the end-all be-all when a mistake. Happens or I don't live up to some expectation. It's not the end of the world. It's not an indictment on my worth and ability to lead this company. That's not the right answer for everybody. But I'm going to be very honest for me in my journey that that's been a huge help for me. I also think it's a muscle that at least for me when there's been failures in the beginning. It seems like the biggest thing you're never going to recover from her when you lose an employee. It's like, oh my God, it's like you felt like you got broken up with but then it gets easier and then each failure is like Ok good. What do we do to fix it versus like I used to wallow in this Cesspool of Shame regret. I'm a failure, you know, and I think it just you just get really tough skin. Yeah. I think I mean oftentimes were told. Well don't take things personally. I actually think that that's bad advice right because it's sort of impossible and also it's good to take things personally, right, especially as women we feel we care but you have to know when you need to put that aside you need to put it in a bucket and see As what can I learn from this? Right? And I always say, you know designate dwell time. Let yourself for 15 minutes wallow back to like the bouncing ball on the top of the pool like acknowledge your feelings sit in it, but then say Okay moving on right? So being that you are the leader of the of ladies get paid and you know, definitely an example for these 40,000 women what happens when you're not listening to your own advice, or does that never happen? I say to everybody all the classes I teach I'm teaching for myself. Yeah, it's because their lessons that I have learned and I'm continuing to learn I talked about this with imposter syndrome and perfectionism because I think those are the two things that I've struggled with the most which is also a pretty gendered thing. I think a lot of women out there listening or probably nodding their heads and I tell my students that you're probably always going to have it. You're probably always going to be a perfectionist and sometimes feel like a fraud but what gets better is your ability to bounce back. From those feelings of shame or whatever they are. So I might you know get mad at myself for not living up to the perfectionist standard that I have. But whereas I would have been mad at myself for a day. It's the 15 minutes of dwell time, right? That's what gets better. And so you have to chart your progress that way so, you know, I'm teaching lessons for myself and I think that's why I've resonated with the community right and all my newsletters begin with a personal story of mine of something that I've struggled with and then it goes Goes into here's what you can do, right and a number of those things. I suggest I've done and then there are many things that I haven't been part of that. You know, I wonder if I'm a hypocrite or what but I'm there with you right and and that kind of empathy that I have sets the the tone for the rest of the community, which is be honest be vulnerable right help other people while you're also helping yourself. Yeah that we don't need to have experts on a pedestal so we should have experts and we do hire career coaches that You'd webinars. So so there's both, you know learn from the people who are still struggling and of course learn from the people who studied this. Right? Right and so being that is just the two of you. Is there a personal life? Well, I'm in a relationship with my co-founder which we've never said really publicly so good job Rebecca for you know, the quote one of the questions that I asked at the park is what would we be surprised to know about you so you might have just answered that question. Yeah, so the personal Life is intertwined with the business life. It's interesting. We get asked a lot. Is it hard working with your partner or do you ever you know have to shut off work talk? I think because the work that we do is mission-oriented right? It's not like we have a sock business or something, you know where there can be this like total separation. We're passionate about what we do and if we're not talking about ladies get paid we're talking about things that are ladies get paid esque. We're talking about the election. We're talking about women in politics, you know. So and we're so different that it's a clear division of labor also, and there's no real ego involved, right? So so I find it. I mean, it's funny if you brought her in here and you asked her if she'd probably be like, it's a nightmare to work with Claire. Just kidding. I'm like, I'm enjoying this personal life. I think there's not so much a personal life as there is a need for turning it off. There's a need for self-care, right? And that is the personal life is when I can feel like I can go to the gym and not be guilty that I'm not on my phone. That's been a journey. I feel pretty good. I was actually I'm very happy to turn off my phone now. Yes, took me 14 years to feel good about it. I put up an away message now. I'm just like hey, I'm focusing for the next day. I'm writing a book right now. So that's given me a great excuse right and by putting up that away message it does two things number one. It markets my book. You don't like coming out spring 2020 find out here. Right? Right. I do that and then the other thing is Gotten emails from people saying wow, I'm going to do that to I'm going to put up an away message saying I need to focus. So I again I give you start something it gives permission to other people and I feel the same way about ladies get paid in regards to talking about things that are vulnerable in my life it goes. Okay, it's fine. If you are it's better if you are for yourself and for other people because now they feel like it's okay totally. So you talk about traveling across the u.s. You travel all over the place right date all these women. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I'm taking a little break now because I have to focus your and a half ago. I did go across the country and I went to 1919 cities. Wow, hosting the town hall that I started ladies get paid with and how did you promoted? How did you know where to go? Like great question on that Journey? Yeah. So I've been hosting events in New York for about 7 months and you know, we have this online Network. So women all over the world were participating in a sense, but you know, I wasn't doing events in their cities. So many women were reaching out going will be will you come here? How do I start a chapter? And I resisted it because I didn't feel like I had gotten out of my system enough mistakes, you know, I was like, let me just see how to really get this into a solid place where I can now teach somebody else how to run a ladies get paid event. And it was very important to me that we not do sort of the typical panel like this this needed to be a facilitated conversation because that's the power of what tween everybody so it's not one expert or a for experts. Well, it starts that way. I mean, there's always women who begin the conversations who were looked at. Not necessarily as the experts but the the brave ones who you know who begin but then there has to be a group dynamic that's established. So it takes skill to be able to navigate a room of a hundred women or more and and there's a way to do it and the way that I do it is stand up if this story resonates with you and then I asked somebody to share and then I say to the room who can validate her story by sharing yours, but also share what you did right or ask for questions. So I did that in New York and then women reached out to me and I said listen, I'll go to your city. If you can commit to a certain number of events that you do throughout the year put together a big toolkit. What was best what was most interesting about putting together the toolkit was seeing where I felt very strongly about the brand right where the brand standards needed to be respected and where I was willing to just say listen Tulsa, Oklahoma, you know, what makes the most sense for your community. How do you interpret the ladies get paid message? Right and speaking of feminism. I was actually told by somebody in Tulsa that Word feminism is referred to as the other f word. Wow. So then the question becomes well does ladies get paid even make sense here? Right and the thing it does women everywhere want to be recognized and rewarded. So, so I said, I'll just show up. That's what I'll do. If you are going to commit to certain number of events in a year almost the first one to show you how it's done but also to learn from a marketing perspective how the message is being interpreted. So I went to random cities to be honest, and I don't know if that was the best strategy but you know, for me, it was fascinating because one night I did Detroit Michigan and then the next night I flew to Grand Rapids, Michigan and to see where things were Universal but then where were things different and you'll appreciate this the thing that I found Most Fascinating was how people dressed actually so and also cities that I had never been to like Atlanta super cool let you know and also could have just been who decided to show up that night so I shouldn't make generalizations about cities, but listen, I'm Make generalizations and what people wore that was the most different cultures of participation. So in Minneapolis, really nobody spoke up, so I went home feeling like it was a disaster and then I got emails from women telling me that it had been transformative the best event they ever went to and I was talking to some of our ambassadors in Minneapolis. And that's how we've been able to expand. We have an ambassador program and they said that the culture in Minneapolis is sort of a passive one and it comes from I guess it's Nordic or the settlers that came to Ellis passed down this kind of passive-aggressive or you know, I was learning about the geography of the u.s. So at least, you know, I had the wherewithal to know that the New York attitude is not everybody's attitude right in terms of marketing the events. I didn't really have to because we always begin each event with a number of women who share and we did the same thing that we did the first event. Who do you think should be part of this conversation? Yeah and never paid marketing at I mean, I've never bought a Facebook ad we should start doing that. Now it's time to get strategic not view of only 40,000 members. You should start getting serious, right? Yeah. So what do you say to companies who see women as an opportunity to market to in this way and use the idea of like we support women but it's really to get them to buy from this company. So the inside doesn't look like the outside great question. So the way that ladies get paid makes money, we've got various revenue streams, but the big way that we make money right now. It's Partnerships with Brands and these are brands that want to do three things. They want to Market to women, right so that's kind of the performative aspect that you mentioned. They want to help their employees right provide Career Development and that helps their employees feel happier and stay and you know, it's called retention and it's expensive to lose employees. So this is a moneymaker for them in order to keep their employees. And the third one is they're looking for talent. They can hire from us. We need to be careful about the companies that we partner with right because Your point the inside doesn't always match the outside the same time if a company has historically struggled and I'm not going to name any names but there's a few that we've you know, we're thinking about working with if they're showing us a commitment to making real change right and not just the ad campaign, right but they're they're firing people who sexually harassed women. They are pledging pay parity. They are investing in a number of career development initiatives including sending their women to our conference. We want to work with the company right because so many are struggling if we said oh, well, we're only going to work with those that have pristine reputations. Well chances are they wouldn't want to work with us? They don't need us right. So so that that can be tough and also were held to a very high standard. Yeah. So we also have to be able to explain to our community why we are partnering with it with an organization that may have struggled in the past makes sense. So you already answered the maybe the what we might be surprised to know about you. Is there anything else we might be surprised to know about you? Besides Botox in your armpit. Oh my goodness. Yes. No shame highly recommend. I think usually it's that I didn't consider myself a feminist something that you may be surprised to find out is that I'm friends with AOC Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. I knew her in college. Uh, yeah and amazing. She came to the second Workshop that I organized. Wow, three years ago. Yeah. We did have Workshop called get unstuck. This is for women who were unhappy in their careers and she was she was I was working as a bartender came to the class hired the career coach, which is like the best testimonial that this career coach will ever have worked with her for a year and then came to a town hall that we did called reinvention. And this was about women, you know, rethinking not just their careers, but sort of who they wanted to be in their life and she was not on the panel because she hadn't done anything yet, but she was in the audience and she stood up in front of a hundred and fifty women and said I have always wanted to run for office, but you know people like me don't usually run women. Like me don't run but I'm going to do it. Wow. I'm going to do it and people cheered. I cried because the hardest part sometimes is just declaring yourself publicly and we have this feeling I mean we knew she was going to do it but no we didn't know she was going to win right so I'm gonna take credit just you should I was part of the journey and and she really exemplifies. What I'm hoping to do with ladies get paid, which is you come to solve your own problems. And then you realize this is Much bigger, right and that you have a responsibility to step up use your privilege and bring other people with you. I love it. Thank you. I love what I do. Thank you for having me. Oh my God. Thanks for being here and working women find out about ladies get paid. Yeah ladies get paid.com. I will forever be thrilled with myself for buying the URL smart. I'm not changing the name of the company even if you don't like it because I got the URL. I got the social handles so find us at ladies get paid on all social platforms and then I'm going to just promote my own Instagram because I always Forget to talk about you know myself. So Claire Wasserman EXO and like I mentioned before I'm writing a book and a lot of the book comes from people writing me and telling me about the things that they're struggling with and and my book hopefully will help solve that so I'd love to hear from you. That was clear Wasserman. If you want to know more about what she's building head on over to ladies get paid or follow them on Instagram.
It’s not difficult for most women to think of a time in their careers when they wanted to ask for more money but didn’t – or maybe they did and were denied a raise or a higher starting salary on questionable grounds at best. Enter Claire Wasserman, whose company, Ladies Get Paid, is helping women around the world to advocate for themselves by hosting workshops, coffee hours and webinars to help women find a strong voice in a culture where men still make way more money for the same amount of work. It wasn’t so long ago that Claire avoided the word "feminism" due  to other people's reactions to the word. These days, however, she’s  proud to call herself by “the other F word,” helping women to shake their moneymakers however they see fit. Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. Big Ideas   Steps to advocate for yourself and get what you want! [12:43]  The value in importance of your decisions, and learning to isolate variables to ensure greater success the next time. [15:28]   ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 