I had some people say like, you know, you might he's going to be a mess like it's not going to be a good podcast, but you came in positive you seem like you have a good head of hair. I wore my favorite Hawaiian shirt. Yeah, you look like a lost tourist. Oh, but you look like you suck at your biker gang. Like what are you going for is that I look like a middle-aged. Dad is going through a life crisis, but they're like make it sexy. You look like you're trying to remember your ex-boyfriend. Who? It do well financially this is great for a podcast with no one can see what we're wearing. I know right? Welcome to learning a language. Ok, so I just want to preface this podcast we started as this begun. Um, I don't want to warn you because we're in hell and the devil doesn't have time to warn you about things Heavens to Betsy. My name is Hannah burner and welcome to another controversial episode of burning in hell. I'm an innocent bystander. I got fired from bitches back in the day for something pretty stupid involved a ring light. I don't know what that is. It's a millennial thing. It's like a round light that girls used to have good lighting. Oh, that doesn't sound particularly. Evil. What are you can I can I hear that story? Perhaps you told it on like you're turning this on to me immediately. I mean, this is your pocket smart. He Harvard, okay, so I Francis Ellis on the podcast today. They just want to say when I say I'm innocent. I mean I don't I'm not a follower of Barstool, but then I've met Alicia net. I've met Kate mannion they both were amazing on his podcast and I reached out to one of my home dogs and I was like, I want to have one of the guys from Barstool on what guide you think would best be for my podcast and he immediately goes this guy Francis. He played Sports, you know, he went to Harvard so he's not that dumb and he He is a stand-up in his own right and I think you guys would hit it off and I was like done so I damn Francis and he immediately responds so kindly says I know who you are and funny we it's funny that we haven't crossed paths before and I was like, let's do this. We booked it for Monday. Then I'm hungover a shit in the Hamptons and I Francis texted me. I'm like, what is this dude want? We set it up. We're all ready to go. What do you need from me? I didn't need anything. I needed to let you know I didn't I don't work for Barstool anymore. Did you first say that you're off on Monday? I don't know that no, I think I think I told you immediately the yes, I had said that before I was like scheduling-wise we can ya do this any time on Monday now because we don't have work on Monday and it turns out I don't have work ever again. I mean we could do this any time any day. So why don't you kind of explain sure and your end what happened? So I worked for bar stool for two-and-a-half years and on Friday. I was fired because I wrote a Blog about a young woman who had gone missing for a week in Utah. And her name was Mackenzie lueck and it was a pretty big story that had a lot of developments and I wrote this blog because as I read that the first Friday was the first time that I'd actually recommend read about her and I saw that the big news breaking news that day was that her sorority sisters had seen that her Instagram account was active that she had liked a post and that this was cause for hope, you know, what post it was it was for an account called at fatherless and I went and looked at that and it was it's an account. I think it's a tongue-in-cheek account that says like girls with daddy issues. Okay and all of us Sure. This was good news. And I had this idea of like, okay. Wow in the age of social media that we live in that sorority sisters are finding clues that the FBI is missing. Yeah, the sorority sisters had turned this news over to the FBI. So it was like that was the good news. I was in a New York Post article and then I looked and I was like, all right, is this what's the story? What's the latest update and I started digging a little bit, but I was very like lazy and careless in my digging and I saw head. Line from an article on ABC News that said Mackenzie lueck missing no, foul play suspected / the authorities and that to me was is police speech for like we think she's gone off of her own accord. Okay, and then every article I read was always mentioning that she was on these sugar daddy dating website. Yeah seeking Arrangements. And it may have been and I don't actually know this that they thought she was with somebody from that website. Yeah, because when I first heard it, I'm like really are you trying to pick like the all these articles that were written about are you trying to find these like embarrassing side facts, but I guess maybe they were using it to try to discover what dude might have given after exactly that I'm not really sure and then I finally I went and looked at her Instagram and it was close. Closed but in her profile it said that she was a huge fan of one of the Barstool podcasts call her daddy, which is like a big podcast. And so I thought okay given these three pieces of information. I'm going to write I'm going to present this this block and I basically I started the blog by saying like look first and foremost. We hope she's okay if anyone has any news about her, please contact your local authorities Etc. And then I was like her sorority sisters found the Instagram activity and hopefully that's a good sign. And what was the activity will let's see the account she liked and I post a couple of the post from that account and I was like, it's a hodgepodge of like pro-feminist stuff messages, but also some like first crappy photos and I included a couple of those with some like offhand remarks about like look here's a girl filling up. Up her automobile with fuel in a scandalous way and whatever none of that had any bearing on Mackenzie Louis. Yeah, and then I wrote In the End some offhand remark. I was like and finally she's a fan of call her daddy. Let's hope that the girls can send her some merch went all of this turns out okay thoughts and prayers period and I blogged it and I That and you know, I write like I don't know for blogs a day say what's your blogging process? Yeah, are you contractually obligated to write four five a day? Not not really there's a quota necessarily but I am a writer and I've been writing for a while and I was at Barstool and I don't submit to an editor. Yeah and chief or an editor because I was a senior bloggers and I how do you become a senior blogger a parcel? I think it's just like can have you demonstrated that you're a good enough Rider? We have high engagement on it. Yeah, but also like are you are you at risk of posting like stuff that needs to be sanctioned? Okay or overseas so you for two years. Have you ever gotten trouble with your editor before in the first year that I was working there? I had to submit all my blogs to an editor and some of those he'd be like, nope. You can't that's not going to go why you know just subject matter or like, you know, it was like it was too dark. or maybe brands not I don't know if I would say off-brand just like he had a very good sense of like what would be will do? Well, what would like get us in trouble? Oh, ok. So he was like the sensor guy but it's a thin line because to get good reactions. You guys want to have strong opinions, right? Yeah, and I was I was always a comedian there who wanted to push the envelope. I found humor on the The Edge. Yes, and that's how I am. Stand up and people are going to bars still for their news. They're going for like the funny opinions on the new. Yeah fair, but I mean look, I'll just say this like bar stool is always trying to be funny and humorous and what I had chosen as subject matter simply was not funny at all. And in that sense, it was off brand and what I had written as a topic Choice was something that I don't think anyone else that the company would have chosen. So do you think that if the girl wasn't found passed away it would have been cool. I don't think I would have gotten an in as much trouble necessarily but I still think that they would have been like dude. What are you doing here? Hmm, so it's hard to know do you think it's kind of a culture? There is a little bit of a culture of online bullying that's easy when you're like have a little bit of power to make a joke at someone and people laugh. I mean bullying and joking is like very close sure and I feel like You were kind of just making fun of the girl. So then the grand design that I have to I have to say I was not trying to make fun of her, huh. That wasn't my goal. And I think it my idea. I don't think I was really trying to make fun of anyone. I think my thought was it was relevant, you know to our audience based on the call her daddy connection. I think I thought that people oh would I don't know. I really don't know what I was thinking. Honestly. I don't have a great answer for why I would ever have chosen this piece to talk about. It was like 11:00 a.m. On a Friday right before the Fourth of July and I was struggling to find any stories to write about and I'm like, I always get anxious. I did get anxious at Barstool when I like hadn't written anything before. Noon because I knew it was my job to write and I wanted to make sure I had shown that I came to work that even though you are you were one of the top personalities a Barstool. You still put a lot of pressure on yourself like you feel like it's a competitive environment to like constantly be writing the funniest shit and Performing the funniest stuff sure. And you know, I don't know if I would say I was one of the top personalities but I would say I felt always a professional You know requirement to to put out content everyday, right? So I had my radio show on Sirius Barstool breakfast and we did that on Friday morning and then I came out of the studio and I was looking for stories and and we have so many writers that I had a lot of the stories I would have wanted to write about had been taken already. And so I saw this one and I thought okay, you know, that's that's fair. I wrote my blog I hit publish and it's very important to note. That when I wrote the blog she was a missing person for whom there were hopeful signs. Mmm. That was my impression. Yep that she was a missing person that a lot of news outlets were kind of hinting that she was not missing for bad reasons within an hour of me posting the blog they had named a suspect. T' and then they were like digging in his backyard and it's started to look really really bad. Yeah, and that was when I took the blog down. Yep, and after that very quickly, they heard that she had passed away. Did you immediately realize that's when I knew it'd be in bad trouble. I think I think it started. I knew I knew when they they said they had named a suspect. I think I knew when that was the Did you think you could lose your job to be honest with you? I thought that almost every day that I worked there. I thought I was going to lose my job. And that that was just me. I'm like an anchor extremely anxious person. I always thought that I wasn't doing well enough or that that you know, it's funny because I was like, I think you're on the top personalities. I just talked with my friends and they're like, yeah Francis is really well respected for his comedy. I appreciate that, but it It's interesting to see how sometimes exoti makes you do things that aren't necessarily in character for listeners. I'm just talking in general like this is burning in hell. This is people who are going through hard times and you know, you even said to me like it was lazy and the reason is probably lazy was because you weren't really caring about the content. You just wanted something to come out that was funny and you wanted the result. It wasn't like you weren't enjoying the process of writing a well done comedy or yeah. Look, I mean that this is the Important thing like I didn't think it was funny. I didn't think what I had written was funny. I don't even know if I would say I wrote jokes in the block. Okay? I don't know what I was doing. Yeah. It was just an absolutely ridiculous lack of consideration and a horrible oversight and a very tone deaf moment in my career. Yeah, I've had them before. Yeah, fortunately, I guess the early other ones that I've had have always been like less incendiary. Yeah, but this one was so so bad in light of how everything turned out. You think it's one of the worst things that anyone's ever done at Barstool. I I don't know. I don't I don't know. I can't I can't really say I can't compare what I did to some of the other things that have happened there. I think it's very important. I didn't read the article you wrote. Yeah. I know. I'm not like buttering it up. Yeah hear what I just described was exactly how it was. Yeah, and there's a Washington Post article that wrote about my firing. Yeah, the Deadspin wrote about it and they were pretty Are but basically they were like, who knows why he did this like it's like it doesn't really make a whole lot of feel like it's not because you're sexist or racist or write or have something of a vendetta against that girl in particular right? I didn't see like oh my God missing girl. Here's a source for for humor. Yeah, and it was more the connection with Barstool and her no, I can't really blame it on me because nobody there would have would have like encouraged me to write all her daddy that was My thought yeah, but like it would yeah exactly. I was like, hey this people will connect with this story want to read this. Okay. So sitting here right now, what have you learned? Well, I fresh this should his fresh. Yeah. I've learned a lot. I mean I've learned that, you know, you must never certain things are just too messed up to really ever try to present in a humorous way, but it's hard with comedy. Like I was just on a podcast where I talked about How I had a date with a guy who gave me chlamydia and then the next morning. I didn't know it gave me chlamydia yet, but we're it's romantic and it's cure and during this just a pill it's really nothing but I went to brunch with him and the podcast guy was like, why did you go to brunch come up in the excuse? They like your family died. And and then he like we started going this long joke about how like the excuse of your family dying. It's like how they died again. They died last week and I know and I lost a lot of grandparents in college for paper extension. So it's like where is the fucking line? Everything's going to affect someone in a wrong way. I do think what you did was tone-deaf totally fair. And I think the important thing to know is that everything that comes from Barstool in my opinion in my understanding that I gained while I was there is that it's always meant to be entertaining and funny. It's not meant to like ruin lives or I don't know. I mean everything I did I'm a comedian like that was always what I was trying to do. Yeah, which is why this blog really unfortunately was a massive misstep for me because I don't think I was trying to be funny. I was just I was just careless and lazy and I was writing something to show that I came to work that day and I chose the wrong topic and when you step back and you look at it realistically I was making light of a young lady whose family, you know was going through a horrific ordeal and who I guess if I had looked closer signs were not good. Yeah that this was a good that this was going to be an okay situation. Were you also writing about like her thirst-trapping-- No not her the the those that she was liking the post. She liked was of an account that had nothing to do with So the crazy thing is one one Outlet The Daily Beast and I hate to even name them this guy reached out to me for comment and I offered my statement and then his article was titled Barstool Sports writer slut shames a dead girl. I actually saw that this morning and I was like, oh different Spin and I don't know that anybody who has read the blog that I wrote could possibly come up with this idea. Idea that I was slut-shaming, okay. So as you guys know I use anchor dot f m-- to create my podcast and I've been talking to you guys about it before and I've been getting a lot of messages that you guys have had podcast ideas that you are now starting on your own and it's so awesome. Keep sending me your podcast that you guys are creating if this podcast has inspired you in any way or you feel motivated in some way make your own freakin podcast. Do it. Stop. Stop waiting just do it. Who cares? It's really just fun. 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Okay it actually what okay. So the title I had for the article and this speaks to everything. I just said college student Mackenzie lueck fan of call her daddy and Proud Sugar Baby still missing. Sorority sisters hopeful due to her recent Instagram activity that I include the part from the New York Post and then I wrote let's start with something meaningful if anyone has seen or heard from Mackenzie Luke, please contact your local authorities. She's been missing for a week. But now the sisters of Alpha Chi Omega have reason to Hope MacKenzie's Instagram recently like to post on at fatherless. What can we find on that? Out why your traditional hodgepodge of pro-feminist messages and body positive methods of refueling ones automobile, and then I included a picture of a girl who had her butt out filling up her car with gas that was on the fatherless and then another picture from fatherless. Also Surefire ways to summon helicopter rescues in the mountains and there was a lady up in the snowy mountains like with her butt out and I I said cool account, but let's get back to Mackenzie if we can as it turns out the young lady frequents sugar daddy dating websites including seeking Arrangement.com initially. The police said they did not suspect that Foul Play was involved which is good news. But now they're saying no comment to the foul play question and they're digging around in her neighbor's backyard and it wasn't looking good until the Instagram like popped up which thank God was seen immediately by our sisters at Alpha Chi Omega, we won't break out the bubbly. Quite yet, but it's nice to have a glimmer of hope in this otherwise horrific ordeal. I did some more digging myself. Here are some things I found and I included this like interview that a private investigator gave and I ran and I said what the fuck was up with that private investigator. I quoted him. He said I actually met Mackenzie three or four weeks ago to Bar having a drink with a friend. It was kind of revealed to me. She was on seeking Arrangements. I said dude, give us a break you set that data. Up because you found her on seeking Arrangements. We should be looking at you and stop speaking half Australian. He had this weird accent. I then checked her Instagram and I included a screenshot of her Instagram bio and I said this must be her fence te because 222 followers is pretty weak for anyone in a sorority point is she's a huge call her daddy fan. Woohoo. I'd love to see Alex and Sophia discuss MacKenzie's plight on their next episode provided turn things. Turn out well. Thoughts and prayers and that's the blog I wrote. Do you hear slut-shaming in any of that? I don't yeah. I mean that guy was just trying to like to put white its clickbait. It's good, but I feel like the fact that it was under bar stools name and bar stool has already been under attack for being looked at as like a misogynistic right website. It's like yeah, it's under that brand which makes you look at it through a different lens. Yeah, do you agree with that? I do I can understand that but I also think like you have a I mean if this guy this writer if he considers himself a journalist, and I know that he does has it has a an obligation not to perform like right libelous things. Mmm. And he also accused me of being homophobic due to a joke that I wrote in a blog like many months ago. Fantasized about making love to a fellow male coworker. It sounds like Pro home. That's exactly right. I mean I am I can I have everyone everyone like it's no secret is named cute Frankie Borelli. Yeah, he's very cute. And I and everyone knows like that. I'm incredibly outspoken lgbtq and Allied my friend. I was like I wanted someone on my podcast would be very open and like not and just So full of shit, right is what I wanted. Yeah, and then that writer also wrote he was like and then he had also Francis also at one point wrote a long article trying to paint himself as an outraged leftist in defending Christine blasi for during the Kavanaugh trial and that's true, but I was 100% sincere and everybody knew that and now that your name is being talked about. This way people are going to start digging a little and trying to have their own opinions on you, which is kind of similar to what happened with the girl. Her name is out there people are digging and writing their opinions, but did Portnoy call you in his office? He was away so he called me this is funny. Yeah, as I was on the way to meet my girlfriend's parents shut the fuck up and I was on a train. And he never calls me or anybody and he called me and I was like, yep. I'm about to be fired and he fired me he was very, you know, he was nice about it. Yeah. He said look our hands are tied and he fired me and he said what you wrote just isn't what we're trying to do here and I totally understood and 30 minutes later. I had to walk in to my girlfriend's parents house where they were already sitting down to dinner. And claim my seat at the table as a newly fired person and they said why were you fired and it's like, well, I wrote a very bad article about a girl who had just been killed. So those are not good first impression things could have done better. It really wasn't good. They didn't want to pass me. The fish didn't want to feed me. What did they say? They were they were all right about it. I mean look I was able to you. Well, what was going on? You're like right now you're carrying yourself very well. I had some people say like, you know, you might he's going to be a mess like it's not going to be a good podcast, but you came in positive you seem like you have a good head of yeah. I wore my favorite Hawaiian shirt your you look like a lost tourist. Oh, but you look like you suck at your biker gang like what are you going for is that I look like Like a middle-aged dad is going through a life crisis, but they're like make it sexy. You look like you're trying to remember your ex-boyfriend who didn't do well financially, this is great for a podcast with no one can see what we're wearing. I know right if you're not Hannah is wearing a Harley-Davidson midriff cut off like pajama shows. I have to assert my dominance over you. Oh, okay. I know what Harley-Davidsons are you do never touched one. But goes well with my eyes the orange good moral rightness in my brown eyes. Don't overthink it huh. Um, so what your girlfriend's gonna get me off topic? No, I what did your girlfriend think she was like, she's incredibly supportive and was super cool about it. I mean live you guys been seeing each other almost a year. Okay? Okay, so she's not like oh God. I'm dating a monster. No hardly knew you like if she just started dating you. I'd be like, you know what? I don't really know this guy and it wasn't like a great thing. But right she knows you. Yeah look, you know in this in this profession and I would call you a comedian as well Q we try to be funny. That's what we're trying to do. Yeah, and sometimes we get it wrong and unfortunately unlike any other profession when we get it wrong. We're getting it wrong in front of people right and and people who don't know us It's not like fucking up at your accounting job. Yeah, we're at someone will call you into their office and be like, hey, man, you did the numbers wrong. Like don't let that happen again, or you know, you costs a lot of money, whatever you're very right about that and I know a lot of comedians who are very upset about the current cancel culture. I mean look at comedy back in the day and it was primarily like white dudes making fun of minorities. Yeah, and that's I think that like rhetoric is so important how we speak about things so it's it is important that like we're not That we are speaking positively about things and not just making fun of things because they're the minority right? Um, but then making fun of someone is being mean to an extent and also partially true. So it's a very difficult culture that we live in right now has Barstool within the whole me to movement which like I'm a huge supporter of I think it's already been great like us changing how we talk about just how men deal with women behind the scenes. I think as already changed some culture if it's saved one guy from making a Suck his dick for a movie role then one girl saved 40 Years of therapy. Right? Like I'm not about cancel culture. I'm about education. I'm about but like with you there wasn't really anything to educate you about like no shit. You shouldn't make fun of someone who Was missing was missing and and I don't I think you overlooked the severity of the missing case. Yeah, and then someone else I mentioned to me. Like do you watch Jew crime? Yeah. I like I like the stuff on Netflix. Yeah, like I love all the sick murder document. Everybody does maybe it makes me feel like I had a good day, right? Because I see how their day went with the thing is we're not watching them in laughing, right? Yeah, you know, I mean, yes, but there's like a it's part of our pop culture. Sure. Now, of course, these like murder stories an obsession with darkness and I'm very dark as well. I mean I have this podcast. Um, so I wanted to it's actually fascinating to have you in this dark moment. Can you explain your emotions from the firing until now? Yeah, as I said I had to go into my girlfriend's family and it was like a big family reunions weekend. So first time you ever met them. Yeah so her You wear that shirt because that would be bad. No. Okay. No, they were they were her grandparents were there. I'd never met them before her stepsisters were there there was a whole group of people. It was a big house do they are there they Barstow fans by any chance. They don't really they don't know anything about it. They don't if I hadn't worked there. I don't know that they would have ever heard of it even but I walked in and I was so dazed by everything that had happened. I mean I had worked at bars. For two and a half years every day, you know, we before Barstow I was doing stand-up for five years before that. And then I was tutoring I had I was running it to your tutoring during the day and stand up at night. Yeah. And then how did you get involved in Barstool? I've I saw that they were starting to run this like talent show called bar so idle and I applied for it. I got an audition I got Passed into the like Idol week. She was like ten people every day. We went in performed a bunch of tasks and then they would fire someone at the end of the day. It was like The Apprentice slides real American Idol. Yeah, and I ended up winning that so I won like a six-month trial contract and within two months had proven that I was pretty good at what we were doing. Did you enjoy it that did you enjoy your first two months? It was tough a lot of weird things happened. But what's tough about it? They give you wedgies? No, no for one eye in the first couple weeks that I was there a couple Sports Illustrated swimsuit models came in to the office and I did an interview peace with them like with three of them and I thought one of them was like, I thought we were getting along well. So when she left I went up to her friend and I was like, hey, you know, what's the story with her? Is she single and the other lady was like, I don't know want me to find out and I was like, yeah sure and so she like took my number and and then told me to like DM her so I deemed her something very innocuous. I during the interview things. She said, how do I she exercises by doing boxing classes? So I said I just D under and I was like, hey, it was great working with you today. You know when you get back from Atlanta would love to go boxing some time and it turned out that you know, they were I think they were kind of messing with me and my boss Dave was with them down in Atlanta and like they went over to him and showed him and then he turned it into like a huge content. He was like who the fuck does Francis think he is asking out the hottest women in the world, you know, this guy, he's only been working. Only two weeks and then he was kind of after all that he was a little mad because it was unprofessional of me to ask out a woman that had come into the office for Content. Does that make sense? Hmm so that that was like a big storyline. There's so many weird lines that I don't know should or shouldn't be crossed. Yeah, like you don't work with her. I mean I would argue. It's probably worse to say something offensive to someone you work with and just ask out a girl who stopped by the office. Yeah, but like, you know looks there are certain things that I can't do. I know I know but like there's certain things that I can't get away with but like Dave can I mean it's his company and he established a town and a following and he's built the whole thing. So so he has probably more dealing with great power comes great responsibility. That's a Spider-Man quote. I love that. It was from his uncle and was kind of happy. I remember that quote very vividly to the only important quote that ever happened. Yeah, but it's like Kazi as such he has the power to like Not to like I don't know. I don't know. He has power to act like a spider get a little weird superhero. I mean, why would that be something we would like, you know Dave he has the power to change conversations in certain ways and Barstool I think is evolving. How are your recent months at Barstool good, you know and I did love working there. I mean there was a lot a lot of it. They did wonderful things for me. They backed me they were so supportive of me Erica nardini. The CEO was like an incredible supporter of me. They gave me everything I could possibly ask for they never said no to me about an idea about a project. I wanted to work on they built me, you know, they turn me from a fucking you feel a little dream car anything without Barstool. It's what now? I think now I think now maybe like your handle doesn't have bar still in it anymore. Yeah, but I still I didn't lose followers when I left and I am excited to start building again on my own. So now when you create content stuff, did they own anything? No, I'm not. So you're free. Yeah, I guess that's the way they are, you know, because What are you gonna do now? I've been doing still trying to come on our podcast all the time. What are you going to do now? Well, I was hoping we could play some tennis and and maybe golf we had such a light-hearted beginning to this relationship. Do you feel like we've fallen off a cliff here? Well Francis is like I like your golf swing and I'm like, oh that's so nice of him. Yeah, and then you complimented my tennis swing and then I was like, he's trying to fuck me. Oh gosh. No, no. Well, I mean I have a lovely girlfriend whom I adore. Yes. Yes. I know. I really like playing sports with women. I love athletic women. I don't know why it's just something that I've made over playing sports with men. No, I just like I like co-ed. I like co-ed sports. Like I love I've always liked, you know, my mom was an athlete. She played tennis at Princeton. Oh my God coach of women's tennis at Yale. Shut up. She's an All-American Spanish player Christian. Stop coaching at Yale. Probably in the 80s. Yeah. She was doing her PhD they're cool and then my sister played lacrosse at Yale. So we come from a family of like Like Grace equality and title Niners. Yes. Hell yeah, I played tennis for my high school team, but they it was in the Upper East Side and we only had a boys team. So Title Nine made it possible that I played on the team on the boys team boys team. So I was part of some controversy because sometimes in high school isn't High School some coaches were very upset that I was playing on the team. What school did you go to Beacon? Yeah. I know beat him and then we ended up winning the Public School Athletic League Championship, but And we had the singles and they were like one has to play with the girls and then I felt so much pressure to beat out all the other girls to show like that. I deserve to beat but I got in trouble because I wrote I was what 17 and like the New York Times The Daily News were asking me and I was like, I want to play like a boy and all these feminist blogs kind of came at me and they're like what the fuck does that mean? Like you need a support like playing like a girl and that we have to change how people think girls play and I was like, holy shit there. Are so right. I don't want to play like a guy I want to play tennis the way supposed to be played regardless of the gender. It's not a physical sport. It's a sick mental game. And I was also I was I was playing tennis six days a week and I was playing against High School guy players who paid like once every other week if I lost them I would have, you know broke my racket over my knee. Uh-huh. So, um, I grew up with a dad who was very supportive of women and sports and that kind of thing, but it's Me to date because like sports such a big part of my life and I want be with a guy who has like at least 20 handicap of better and golf which is difficult your three. Shut up 2.9. That's hot. Oh Todd, um, and then I want them to be able to like just hit a tennis ball. Like I don't need you to be like incredible, but then I played guys who were like pretty good and then they get upset during matches. I'm like, we're in a date we're having A date right now playsets though. No, I like the hitting and they're just rehearsing chugging the Racket and I'm like dude. This is so unattractive like have fun right now. If I beg you in the face, it's funny. There you go. You don't get upset about that's abusive, but that's okay. That's great. See you like that boy. It's rant. Yeah. Everyone knows those Pockets. I have to mention tennis at least once or my brain explodes. Got it. Got it. Do you what's your handicap and God you haven't had 15. That's great on a good when I was playing pretty well, but You have to play all the time. It's the only two I mean, you're right. I was playing I played when I was 8 years old and I quit at like 11 to choose tennis and then I played tennis and then I dated a guy who loved golf after college and he had me out on the links every weekend. Wow training. Where do you where did you play like most of my family has a house in Shelter Island? Oh, that's nice. So that's where I like discovered tennis and discovered golf because I was like, you're from Brooklyn. What kind of why are you so good at country clubs Sports and I'm like because I hang out with my grandpa and the summer. He's taught me how to be a good I'm going to be the sickest retired person. I'm be winning every League. Anyways, this is not even my Prime 7 is gonna be my Prime. There you go. Um, you're trying to get me off topic you're good. I'm just having a conversation. So I looked at your website because I'm like, who is this? Dude? He's throwing me all kinds of Loops says, you're a comedian a heartthrob and a simpleton. I don't know who wrote. I know you wrote that I did. Why would you say you're a heartthrob? Because most gingers not heartthrob. Yeah. I know. I think I'm a minority of the heartthrobs. I am I'm people tell me I'm attractive for a redhead which is like sort of like winning a gold medal at the Special Olympics. It's like well, it's cool. But ultimately not that great. I don't know if you have like blond pubes or red pubes or Orange orange. Yeah, but I keep it I keep it tight. You know, I don't like to let those leak too much I think life is just a lot better for everyone who's involved. Here is the rest of your family gingers to my not really no, I mean sort of like much more strawberry blonde than I am and I used to have way more red hair. Yeah your hair you're very strawberry, but it's very blonde. Did your life how to affect your life when South Park had the whole gingers have no soul thing. Well when I Younger that came out and everyone started saying that to me and being like ha ha like fuck you and I was like, yeah, I don't have a soul. I'll eat your newborn babies when you have one. Yeah people would try to bully me for it. And then I was like, I would just pick them up and throw them or are you buying it? I was huge. I've been this I've been this size 6 3 like 210 pounds since I was nine wow true, but I was always bigger than everyone else. So it was astonishing that people would people try to bully me all. Do you like get good color? Not completely pale, right? Yeah. So at some point I learned to like own it and lean into it and that quiets everyone. So did you get pussy haven't what a vowel way to pitch that question. Did you get pussy? I mean you want to talk about like a it's like you're talking about me like accumulating some commodity. No, I'm I'm bringing power just Pussy okay. So great. Good. I did. All right, you know I think I did. Okay. I even know though. Like are you a nerd are you nerd? I was smart. Yeah. I tried you like was your smartness like put forward first, or was it kind of like? Yeah, I play sports and Lacrosse guy and I just happened to be smart, but not gonna brag about it. Were you like guys guess who got an A in calculus again? No, I never I didn't brag about my academics. But you know, I always made sure to take my do grab the market will remain. Yeah, rural Maine Freeport. Normally, I would come up with something that I know about the place, but I don't know shit about nobody knows I'm such a dumb New Yorker. There's nobody from Maine me very few people I've ever met cool. Doesn't it? The winters are long it's dark. Did you want to go to New York City? I hadn't thought about it. I don't even know how I got do have a small-town vibe to you. Do I? Yeah, that's like you're the kind of guy that walked on the subway and be like, good morning everybody. Hi everyone. I'm not here to ask for money. I'm doing fine. But I just want to make sure you knew how to Friday. I don't know. I mean I'm here. This is on you I did this as the first stop I do them shouldn't or you want to say I'm excited to be the first in the Redemption tour and I do think you do you are obviously apologetic but you also did say if you don't want me on your podcast. I completely understand. Yeah, I wanted to give you an out. Yeah, and that I was still a little drunk at the time and I'm like, what is this you talking about? But I do appreciate that and I think it told me a little about you to show that like you were empathetic to the entire situation. How would you describe your humor overall? Well, I used to say that I really Dark humor, but we may have to Rebrand. Are you like are you that dark? You got not so bad. You're not do you make like a lot of morbid jokes? I had a I just did a special by the way. Oh, yeah. Congratulations. Thank yourself for special on Barstool. Yeah. Are they going to keep it up? I don't know. Oh, these are all the things that we're going to find out in the upcoming week state or in Spanish are yep. I don't know if they'll keep it but it's still up. Were you proud of it? Yeah. It was good. I liked it. How long do I do? Yeah, like 5453 you now because it's out have to like start over with your jokes. Yeah, but that's the model in comedy. Yeah. I always wanted that I wanted to dump all that and start over. I think there's a mix between Like Comics you always come up with tons of new jokes. They never really liked put the work into to make the certain jokes really good. Then there's the ones that just repeat too much and are too scared to come up with new jokes. Did you stand up? So I You to stand up for a while. So I like watch so many shows I listen to so many of his podcast and I think I was just kind of subconsciously a sponge because I was writing comedy videos for batches and I always loved writing and I'm not afraid of the camera but the point is things do happen for a reason. Yeah. Sure. Why are you so positive right now? You're pretty perky. Yeah, I had that Honesty for a Monday. I had like an organic organic peach tea just a tad sweet. So I did it show at Gotham Comedy Club. That was like put on by Carl Everett never. Oh, excuse me, Everett. He does the heel. Oh, I was supposed to go to that show, but I had something if you had gone to that show, I don't know that you would have me. For now, I don't know I have tough skin. Okay, so I went to that show and a couple of comedians went up Carl was hosting it and Carl has never done. I'd never done common. So Carl called me beforehand was like do you have any tips mind you I've done slyke stand up at Caroline's for my own show. But I've only done it in front of people who know me and are rooting for me. How many stand-up shows have you done? I've done my own Caroline show for 10 minutes in front of like 250 people as only time I ever did stand up. Oh, okay. I've done like like shows what does stories and stuff? But the only time I like wrote something got it was my own show. So I don't know if you guys know this about me, but I'm not a robot and I hope you guys aren't robots either. Otherwise the world is probably going to come to an end soon. It's like a Will Smith movie, but I am unique and I can't just take a multivitamin and expect this going to fix all or kind of cover all the Health needs that I have I personally sometimes need more energy. Sometimes I want a better sleep. Sometimes my stress levels are insane and honestly, sometimes I just blow and have bad digestion problems because I'm not a robot and if that grosses you out, I'm sorry. I'm trying to take care of myself. 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I'm assuming and and people you know that it was like a military benefit but it was like fans of the show. Yeah and then the cast of the show Was sitting dead center all together like five rows back together, uh-huh and comedians were going up and they were doing their material and some were doing better than others. It was like, okay and Carl goes up and he made some joke about like and he was like, he was really nice to me. This is the first time we met and Carl goes up and he's like this next guy went to Harvard and play the cross, you know, he's a douchebag. Your hands together for Francis Alice and I was like, well, you can't call other people douchebags when you are who you are, right? So I was like, all right. I'm down. Let's fucking go. I took the microphone and I just did five minutes of destroying Carl Tiffany. He didn't tell me then the show in general, but have you watched it? I've watched parts of it. Have you watched season 3 at all? No my season so you didn't join until season three. Yeah, I'm a new cast member. Okay? Yeah. All right. Well then then then I should check it out again 3 is a game changer. I watched some of season one and I went on stage and I shed on Carl and then I was like by the way to show you guys you are on have you guys like I was I'd like to send to the honest I was like, do you guys watch summer house? Do I like? Yeah, and I was like why it is so bad. It is the worst show I have ever seen. Hey, I was like have you guys renewed your contracts for another season fire agents you are ruining your career. This is not something you can come back from do your parents know you're doing this. It's so bad. I can't I was like I was just teeing off just roasting them and I could see their faces. Yeah, the guys were laughing. Yeah girls were not laughing. I would have been dying laughing. I know you would have feel but also because you haven't watched my season yet, so you're not like educated and it was just a sloppy joke, which you I've done in the past. Okay. So season one and season two. We're good season 3 they got some new cast members and I'm pretty proud of the last season in terms of like it is my numbing. It does make you question why you're watching these things and what better things you could be doing with your life. Yeah, but ultimately, I think it's not like Housewives drama where people are like sleeping with each other's husbands and like stealing their children. I don't know what they do. It's very Abel drama to just kids who go out to the city, right and it's been a cool platform for me to trick people into listening to my podcast you will you've done a brilliant job. Oh, thank you. I mean no because I have a good friend who did reality TV early in his career cool. And then it took him 13 years to redefine himself as a stand-up comedian and now he's enormous is my friend Theo Von. Yeah. But like he he is so aware of detaching himself from his reality TV beginning and and I know that was a really difficult process. Yeah. So reality TV has evolved which I'm it's a lucky time for me where it really was. So authentically trashy back. Then we're now like cardi B and Kim Kardashian and Bethenny Frankel make like full lives of it. I was fortunate because I would never I'm too competitive to do a show like The Bachelor or something. Like I don't like that shit makes me uncomfortable and I would rather they called me and they were like it's a show we show people who have cool jobs in the city who then go out to the Hamptons, right? Like that's fun because that's what I've been doing my whole life. I mean Shelter Island is like the on Hamptons Hamptons like the chill Hamptons, but I was like if I want to show that like girls can be athletic girls can be funny girls can be be like, you know bosses and their jobs directors producers. I was like, I really am not I'm very not confrontational. I'll make a joke whenever I feel uncomfortable and I'm actually not very good at drinking great at eating terrible drinking and I'm like, that's what you want. I will crush it for you. Yeah, it's what not what you want, please. Don't push me into something I want to do. Did they reach out to you or did you audition or like sending it? So my name was being thrown around because I like I had interviewed Carl at fetches. And I was mean to him ice. I did something similar you did. Yeah. Sure. I tore my tour Carl apart. Oh my God, like likes it. Yeah, he just loves attention. Yeah, and he gets it and he's yeah, he's a really good sport and good guy. Also. I thought it'd be cool to go on TV and not like try to be perfect. Uh-huh like some scenes. I just don't wear makeup because I think it's interesting to see a girl on TV without makeup right now. I think that stuff needs to be seen it's like more girls playing sports like sure put it in people's minds and becomes more socially acceptable and there's less of like a high quota for women to look like fake and perfect all the time. That's what I'm giving to society. What a gift let me get. How Noble yeah. I'm like I sometimes wake up in the morning and don't wash my face. Wow. So another Teresa. Yeah, um, what's your deepest insecurities? Oh boy. I think one thing that people pounced on And while I was at bar stool was how sensitive I am and it's not that I can't be made fun of because I can be but when people make fun of me, I like to make fun back and sometimes it's a little harsher than when I come back. I'm like, okay you threw the first punch. I'm now about to burn your entire livelihood down because that's as a comedian what I was taught like onstage if somebody heckles you yeah, I a sin on them and I bring down artillery and black out the sun with my with my skill which is to to make make light of what they've done. So I think there are definitely National shit talker. Yeah, there are times where it's like I could probably let a few things roll off. My shoulders a little better would be would be definitely something I'm being sensitive I think is a good quality. Yeah, maybe And I'm not trying to like say oh, my biggest weakness is like something you should actually celebrate do when you fight with your girlfriend. Are you sensitive? Like if she says a little thing do you like not just let it roll off your shoulder. I hate to be this guy. We honestly really don't fight almost ever and I think the reason is that she's just like the most relaxed person I've ever met mmm because I had an ex. I never fought with but that was because I wanted to be like Like the perfect girlfriend. It's like if you have self-control like he could do something annoying and you're just like I'm going to consciously not address. Yes, but then like eight months and I was like if you fucking breathe in my direction, I will lose it. Right. So I do think it's healthy to have like banter and communication. Yeah, so you don't fight about anything. I mean, where's the passenger side? We have hate sex. We don't have hate sex. You have makeup sex. Yeah. We've had a couple of It's we have a thing that I've never had with anyone else where sometimes we'll be fighting and we'll start laughing like what in the middle of it. I love that just start laughing. We're like, we're like What are we? Why are we I love that so much. Yeah that happened once and I was trying to break up with a guy and we just started laughing. No, but it's like I was like, I don't like you anymore and he's like, no you don't and I'm like, yes, I fucking do you started laughing? Like this isn't helping did you stay together? No. So it isn't that funny but he just didn't get it or like he wasn't letting me break up with him. And finally I was like this is ridiculous. Right and like just cause you break up with someone doesn't mean you don't enjoy them. Yeah, right. I just was like I can introduce you my parents. You're a loser. Oh, no, you know, yeah, you know, I dunno know I do know, um, what's your biggest fear? Probably getting cancelled? In this day and age, you know, I've committed so much to this life of being a comedian being a performer and we see it every day. Yeah, and it's sort of happened to me on Friday, but I think fortunately we are evolving into a time where people are not they're able to differentiate between mistakes and on I didn't I wasn't sure I thought that you know people would say like, okay what Harvey Weinstein did what Louis CK did what disease Ansari did what Francis Ellis did it's all shades of the same straight white male, you know shit horribleness and what I learned is that a lot of the internet and the outrage culture isn't as As bad as I thought it was people are giving me the benefit of the doubt and a lot of people are like supporting me that I would not have thought would the executive producer for Ellen. DeGeneres is show tweeted his supportive me a very prominent writer at the New York Times. She kind of came to my defense and lauded my apology and I think the overwhelming response has been like one of understanding not not like To let it you know, who cares. It's more like look clearly you fucked up. Yeah, and you made a mistake and you shouldn't have done what you did but we're not going to Bar you from this industry. Yeah, we're not going to chase you out of town. Yeah, and I think it's important for me to remain contrite. I thought about whether I should like reach out to the family or like try to do something but I didn't want to I didn't want I didn't even want to bring it to their attention. Yeah, like it didn't even he didn't even want to be significant enough that it could have possibly hurt their feet. I didn't want to offend them. No, I'm so I think one thing Portnoy did say at the end was like the bigger story here is like rest in peace to that girl. And of course and like we all feel that way, but you were involved in that and Cancel culture is real it is it is so I think for me I was I've been very worried. You know that as a comedian who does live on the edge but someone was going to take a surreptitious video clip from their cell phone of me working on a new joke at a comedy club that I you know that I was just working out post it online out of context and That that would go viral and that would be the end of my comedy career. And I think what I've learned is that people aren't as vindictive people aren't like. Yeah, you've got rabid people who say like men are the enemy or whatever. I don't know. Some people are there's there's I think people that are extreme on either side. Yeah our are not helping but I'm hopeful yeah based on what has happened. Happened to me. Yeah that that things are not as hyper and hysterical as as I had thought they were have you ever been fired before from a job? Yeah, which jobs I was a bartender. Why'd you get fired? Like I went to the beach one weekend and I went body surfing and I got a concussion diving into a wave and I showed up to work the next day and I had no idea what was going on and I just kept fucking up orders like I was Putting in orders into the computer and like the wrong lunch was coming out and they were like, dude, you're literally the worst bartender we've ever had like you can't work here anymore so that I got fired for that. What else like this guy went to Harvard and you can't even put in a menu items. I know it was embarrassing I what else did I get fired from? I've been fired a few times. It hurt your ego. No because all the jobs I was fired from were jobs that I knew weren't right for me and it was sort of a process of elimination like the world was eliminating me towards what I should be doing. I like to say the universe like there's a path for you and you could take any path, but the universe will keep kicking you back into the right place. If you go the wrong way. Yeah, do you think that right now? Is where you're meant to be. Um, yeah, I think so. I think I'm hoping that I can say that like the best thing that ever happened to me was that I got hired by Barstool and then the second best thing that ever happened me was that I got fired by bars. That's exactly how I feel about batches because the first the best thing that ever happened was me getting hired from batches, right and I don't think I would have had the balls or like known that I needed to leave. Yeah. Yeah, I don't Don't think I would have ever left Barstool and I and I don't know that that that I was like a great fit there. As I said, I'm a very like a very sensitive person. I think the audience was really hard for me. A lot of people. I was a polarizing person. There you go ahead. I had a lot of really good fans people who love what I did and that a lot of like a lot of my humor played upon my the fact that I went to Harvard and and that I you know, I come from a good family and played lacrosse and like had a lot of things going for me. Like sometimes people would be like, fuck you you Silver Spoon bitch, like why don't you just run back to His money, do you have any idea right now? Like you woke up this morning. You came to this podcast. But like what are you gonna do after that Hannah? I'm going to start a podcast. Are you going to absolutely I'm excited me to please stay tuned. Do you have any idea I do I think I don't know what I'm going to call it yet. But in the next couple weeks, I'm going to start a podcast what's cool about being an entrepreneur and like stand-up is being an entrepreneur your own brand is that you don't have to like Have someone above you telling you and it's scary sometimes but whether it's good or bad whether it's okay or not. You don't have someone that could just fire you at any second. But then again they say the two most addicting things in the world are heroin and a monthly salary. Mmm. So like you've lost that Comfort. Yeah, but you've also gained a lot of freedom. Has anyone given you advice for how to wrap up the situation because this is very fresh. You've you give a great apology, you know, you fucked up right you Oh that it was bad article that you probably regret. Is there anything else that you want to do to wrap up this or just kind of see what the Press is doing is I'm going to helping you in this process. Yeah, you know, I've got the PR department at my agency. Okay? Yeah kind of yeah, they didn't really look I came up with that statement on my own. I knew what I had this I knew what I wanted to say. Yeah, and I said it and I felt it. I realized I know what I fucked up. I know that. Barstow had to fire me. I have no resentment towards them. I've only gratitude and I am excited now to kind of start over and build things. Okay, and I'm also very happy that the whole time I was there. I continued doing stand-up, you know, five to ten sets a week. Like I've always been a comedian. That was my heartbeat my pulse and I never thought well, I've got this now so I can step away from the stage. And so I'm still in good shape and I just had this special come out. I'm already writing new material. I'm excited about it now have a wealth of topics that I can mine for jokes, and I'm excited to wrap this up. We're going to end with the seven deadly sins. Seven deadly sins. What do you greedy about Grady about followers? Really? I love it. When I get a lot of Instagram followers. Does it piss you off when like color daddy girls come and they just blow the fuck up and all week. I don't resent the success of other people. Okay, good. Yeah. Do you feel less worthy when your Instagram doesn't get a lot of likes. One photo. No, not really. I also know kind of what we'll do. Well and what want I know what my sweet spot is. Do you care about your like I have strategy calm down. Do you care about how many followers the girl you date has like would you rather date a girl with a ton or none? That's a great question. Thank you the the right answer to this question is that it doesn't matter. I want the right answer. What are you bullshitting me about? I want your answer because it does in this is that it does matter it says some people that you're using because the thing ready you have a ton of followers. Yeah, but it would if we were to date it wouldn't it wouldn't affect me because my ear relationship with your followers, like some people their followers are like their Obsession to me. It's more it's more like how much does it Define you exactly and you're like, you're goofy on social media and you're not and I don't know but Get the sense that you don't think you're better than people because you have so many. Oh no. Oh God. No, right and I've met people that do and that is something that would turn. Yeah. I don't like the vanity of it. Like if you're like, I'm the shit because I have this many followers. But if you're like, I worked my ass off to like influence people and have really funny content and be creative and I love that to share my voice. That's cool. Yeah, if you're going to look down on people because your ass looks good. Good after facetune and guys follow you I have time for that shit, right? So talk about your ass. Oh, thank you. I have a terrible ass. It's just a hereditary thing my poor family like so flat asked as a guy it's not that big of a deal but my God the women in my family. I feel so bad. Do you prefer a sore boobs probably ass. How old are you 30? Yeah, it's generational. I feel like guys were older like boobs because they grew up in like Pam Anderson, like like mid-80s born. They like that stuff or like you guys were more like JLo, huh? This is my theories. It's hard to say male psyche. I also think but Sage better than breasts. Hmm. Good point. Yeah sometimes yeah not always. Who are you envious of? Oh, I'm envious of comedians. I see that are seemingly able to just come up with new material and jokes. Very quickly. I have no idea where my next joke is coming from my next good joke, and I can't make it happen. And so qu you can't force a joke. Sometimes they come in waves and sometimes I have droughts and I have no idea how to really hone that process or how to like encourage the flow more. That's a great answer. I tweet a lot and people are always like what's the deal with your tweets? I've never once that down and been like I have to tweet it either comes to Or a dozen and sometimes I do I'll have like 15 in a row and then I wont tweet for a month, right the best advice. I've heard from comedian friends is like just live like instead of just sitting home and thinking like go out and do something great and observe and The More You observe in the more you're like stories will come and just keep this comes with depression to like if you're stuck in your own head go out and live go out and talk to people and you that's all the like creativity and inspiration you need it's kind of just living right? And also when you have a goal to come up with a joke then like your brain kind of manifests like to look at things in a certain way, right? What do you gluttonous about? I'm gonna give you a fucking boring answer. I have a sweet tooth. And I especially when I smoke marijuana should I do almost every night you do to help you right? No, I'm not blur like I'm an artist. No, I can't I can't I can't do anything. Hi other than just like veg out and eat. What's your Suite of choice? Don't give me raspberries. All right. So let me tell you something. That's the boring had a burner. I'll tell you that some simple things maienschein aye by fruit in ridiculous quantity expensive. Well, you know, I'm sorry to hear that for you. I mean, you know talk to your dad. I think you're making these jokes now without any income. I know right? I'm gonna be fine. Now, you've Instagram you'll start doing like 15 stuff to make some money want sponsored posts. Yeah, I buy all this fruit and I get rid of all the bad shit in my apartment because I know that when I'm high, I have no control and I will eat like four or five containers of Of sliced mango, which is still so much sugar kind of sugar but it's natural sugar. So like care about your Being Fit. Yeah, why your vein? Well, there's two reasons one one. Is that for me? I have to exercise because it helps me sleep. And yeah, if I don't exercise during the day, I just kind of go crazy and I feel like a dog that needs to be run like, I'm just jittery. Yes, and I've always been that way even as a child. I was way worse. I just imagine you just bouncing around the house. Like oh damn it. He needs to go for a jog, but then I also have you know, I care about my body and how I look good. No, I can admit that but I never I never post like shirtless picture. Just you know, what's fascinating is because so many guy comedians don't work out right because I think they'll of self-hate and like working out. It is self-love and I think they just loved hating themselves. Yeah that and also it's much more relatable to be a piece of shit. Like if you're on stage. It's It's funnier if your body sucks and you have jokes about that. Yes, it's true. Yeah, when is the last time you experienced extreme wrath so anger? Oh good question Thursday. Maybe I don't know. It's Thursday when the article came out it was the day before I had a I don't know about man. I wasn't that mad. I got in trouble on Tuesday to for not dressing up for this award show. That was a sponsored thing. We did the company and my boss reamed me out. What did you wear just a T-shirt and jeans I wasn't really aware that we were like I kind of missed the boat on that miss the email. Yeah, and and then he also was like, you know, you're special. He said this like live in front of our audience seems like your special only Only got 70 people to sign up for Barstool gold, you know, you could have spent the money we spent on your special buying a suit to wear tonight. Damn. Damn. They go hard. Oh, yeah and tear emotions. He tries to like, yeah, that's I mean that's part of the show. Yeah Turtle. When was the last time you were a sloth like a lazy person like a lazy piece of shit. But cute. Yeah, I'm free. I don't I don't know. Oh see you're always hyped up. It's been years since I left off me. I only have one cup in the morning. It's been years since I like was a piece of shit a long time. Give yourself a like a day off to just like cuddle with your girlfriend and watch Netflix. Yeah, occasionally. Yeah sure, but I don't know about like I feel like I need that every once in a while. Yeah, because we run around some well the toughest thing with being on Venereal is you're the one that has to tell yourself to take a break. Uh-huh. No, you feel the subconscious pressure that you're like, right. You're always a little behind right? Yeah is planting a seed in your head. I like it. Okay, good, no grow into a beautiful flower one day. So um, when was the last time you let your pride get in the way of something. This is a tough one. Oh, they know that's that's actually a very fair question you're saying so when did I put my pride aside? Or when was did my pride get in the way? Was that your question either or? Well, I think with all of this I've had to put my pride aside and and I'm not able to say like, you know. Something I don't know. I mean, I mean, yeah, you want to be able to defend yourself in a way, but you also have to admit like that you made a mistake right? But it doesn't make you a bad person right, but you made your human right? Well, so so I've been I would read a couple of the Tweet responses and some someone was like Goose lets, you know, when someone says you slut-shamed a dead girl, and I want to be like, well, first of all, I didn't slut shame her and second of all I thought she was alive. Nobody wants to hear that. Yeah. Nobody wants to hear my side. Steering, so I have to just brush it off and block that person. Are you do you look at the comments? Like have you been reading articles and look at the comment? Um a little bit I've I've stayed away from like the bar so audience and I've just mostly seen a little bit of the response on Twitter to gauge. You know, how fucked him Marshal audience is primarily not in your side. No, I think I think they are. I mean, I think people thought that I was a good employee there. R I think people liked me there the majority Last one great. When was the last time you lost it over someone? Hmm? I am I supposed to like am I supposed to like give some politic answer about like my girlfriend? I like lusted for her. They like I watched this movie last night and this girl was hot or oh this this guy work with a bar stool would make out with cause he's cute. Uh-huh. Yeah, right. Yeah, I think Ali like damn when I my girlfriend when I was crying about Barstow my girlfriend looks so hot when she was wipe away my tears. I don't know. Yeah. Hmm, I guess the answer is your celebrity crush celebrity crush IPC about Natalie Portman. I've always had a huge crush on. Yeah. I like her. She's very smart and cool. She is she went to Harvard? Interesting, you know that no, she was shooting the Star Wars movies while she's at Harvard. Yeah. It's very cool had me. So to wrap this whole thing up. This is a different podcast than I thought it would be when I originally hit you up. Hmm. We got pretty serious. We got pretty dark and you know, you got fired three four days ago. Yeah, I would argue that you're in a tough or place then you have been the past. What advice would you give? Have two people because there's people listening that are also going through tough times. Yeah. What advice would you give to people on how to cope with their hell? Yeah grave quite. Yeah, it's great. I think when really life-changing things happen to you. You don't need to rush to find the silver lining you can sort of Process at your own pace and it's not necessarily like wallowing it took me two or three days to like figure out how to remain how to get back to being in the moment and being present and understanding where I was getting out of your own head. Yeah, and the most important thing you can do is rely on your friends and the people your family and the people You love and trust that you know, they're not going to abandon you in these bad moments and that you can still Forge ahead. This all sounds like very no I don't like you what you're saying though. Yeah, but you know, I thought my world was over and then and then I and then it wasn't you know, and it's not and and now I went from being destroyed too excited in three days and it and it took me three days to get there and some people will take a lot longer right but there's usually a chance to find a way to get it back to and also you get a little people are scared of like God forbid this happens. God forbid that happens. God forbid they do happen. Trust that it's going to be. Okay, right. I want to thank you so much for coming on Anna. This is my this was so fun. This is so funny. Good. Yeah Francis. I'm excited to see what you do in the future. I'm excited to see how you learned from your past and looking out for a new podcast probably in the future. Yeah, where can people follow you people can follow me on Twitter at Francis CLS Instagram at Francis see CLS, which was just a typo that were not going to be able to And is absolutely on Instagram nightmare for me on Instagram. Yeah. Damn, so I switched it from Francis Barstool on Friday. Yeah, and I'm verified so they had to like reach out to Instagram to help me do it and they submitted the wrong name, but that's okay. Do you think they did on purpose? No skinny. And what I may have to do is I may have to switch my Twitter to Francis CC Ellis, but I just don't even like what the fuck why are there to seize my middle name is course, and I don't know why. Why my OCD is like freaking out right now, and I'm not even have OCD, but thank you so much for coming on and if you guys are enjoying burning in hell. I have a Facebook group The Little Devils, and you know, if you enjoy this episode screenshot, tell me what you think put on Insta, and I'll talk to you guys later. Bye.
Francis Ellis was fired from Barstool right before he was supposed to come on the podcast. We decided to go ahead with the interview to discuss the article he wrote that got him fired, what went down on his last day at work, why he was always anxious about getting fired, at 20 minutes he reads the controversial blog post that got him fired, at 24 minutes he reveals his barstool crush, he discusses cancel culture, how he started with barstool, why he enjoys playing sports with girls, how he’s attractive for a red head, how he feels about summer house, his deepest insecurity, why he’s so sensitive, all the jobs he’s been fired from, why he thinks he wasn’t a great fit for barstool, how to come up with new creative jokes, he admits he’s vain, and discusses where he goes from here. Follow Hannah Berner on Instagram & Twitter: @beingbernz  ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Oops Podcast: The Oops podcast examines the mistakes that change the trajectory of people’s lives: the bad decisions, the aftermath, the path to redemption and all things in between. 