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Yeah, so yeah, how was your weekend? Everybody was fun. It was long which was really nice to go to Chicago. I did not yeah. All right. No. No, I didn't know I think I couldn't afford it this time tonight at the Las Vegas show that was enough for me for you know, and you know, it's something that I'm starting to think about is okay, the more frequent all these big super weekends like the more thing. Hey, I'm I'm kind of tapped out financially. Right exactly. Come on me but I'm talking about people right? So it is it's hard because they've been so continuously, you know with breast. I did WrestleMania weekend. I did, you know double or nothing in Las Vegas and granted like I'm not a big spender but you know hotel and getting their flights you name it it starts to add up and especially if you go all crazy to WrestleMania weekend and you go to everything and then after its here like oh oh snap. So yeah, but I watched from home though. I did. Yeah and I don't want to get all that because that's not what the shows about but, you know just to acknowledge. It was a big weekend. Yeah big one for sure and I thought you know, I didn't see all of aw. Hmm But I did I did see moment, you know some of the bigger moments and I did watch just about all the annex Tuk Cardiff show. I was great. Yeah, and I didn't see New Japan anyone I missed it this week. No, I heard that. I'll be show ya ever heard Dave Meltzer say that I think it was like I'll turn somebody. Yeah, it's a good time to have all these weekend's just filled with all of these shows embarrassment of riches. Yeah. Well that being said this show is going to be about looking backwards and the past. I figured I would change things up a little bit around here and steal from actually I Steel, I'm sure Conrad doesn't mind at all appropriating his his poll-driven wrestling content. Yeah, I think that episode. Yeah, so we put out a little pole and you know, just talking about different subjects and Denise. Why don't you just go ahead I have a hard time really quick. So we did the poll, right and we just put like four different options like hey, what do you want Sean to talk about? On tomorrow's show and people got really excited about it. We got like like that like over a thousand something votes that people say we're in yeah, like over like 1500 I think so it was pretty cool first. I saw like, you know like 24 votes and I'm My Own cheese only had it up for six hours. Okay, because you know, it's like okay this needs to be a reasonable time enough to prepare etcetera so a but a lot of people were writing stuff down in the comments even things that I was like, okay, I will glued this for the next poll which was pretty cool to kind of see what people you know wanted to know about or you know, that sort of thing which was really awesome. But we basically the winner was history with Razor Ramon and somebody actually tweeted us something really funny. So on Twitter, you only get a certain amount of characters to post like so I couldn't really say like in-depth like what each topic was I had to cut it down so somebody actually thought that history with Razor Ramon meant that some that Razor Ramon was gonna teach history. Did you see that? Somebody tweeted me that and I was like, oh man, that's hilarious, dude. They really thought that I don't know but it made me laugh. I didn't expect to see it in the comment section. But either way that's what we're going to talk about today. And I just think it's really cool. Especially after you dive down and you just sort of like really look at things now and what's just kick it off. Yeah. And so there are some things I've talked about quite a bit in the past, but you know and some of those things I might not try to Deep dive too much on sure but you know, we still should revisit. Is it that yeah, we'll try to find some new angles New Perspectives, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, so well, yeah and I think you just say this is you know, my relate. Oh like real quick. Let me back metal. You're sure second. I have to acknowledge. The passing of one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time just an icon and a huge part of a lot of our you know, a lot of us are huge bodybuilding fans of the Glory Days of body building sector, you know, the Arnold are you know, so Arnold's best friend and training partner and also for mr. Olympia Franco Columbu passed away. Yeah, there was an accident he was a He's from Sardinia Italy and he was he was back home and there was like a diving accident. He Dove down and never came back up. He was saw I knew he was close to 80, you know is almost 80 years old and just one of pound for pound one of the strongest man in the world period of his day, right, you know, you could blow water but you know, like ever see the like the old gimmick where you blow hot water bottles up things like that and just all the old strongman stuff he could do. And he was under you know, he's like five foot six and five seven and you know, well, you know under 200 pounds and there was excuse me. The very first World's Strongest Man contest on NBC Wild World of Sports. You're familiar with it. Yeah, you know, so Ken Patera was ended Ivan Putski Franco Columbu. I think Lou Lou Ferrigno. Jeez who I am. Yes, quite a bit Yeah, but if any was Franco he got hurt pretty bad. He was carrying out frigerator on this on his values and you know, the rest of the guys are like a foot taller than him and a hundred and fifty pounds heavier, right? All right, so he kind of got hurt doing that but kind of anyways, I just end the friendship between Arnold and Franco and the love they have for each other. There is nothing that really makes me want to do this today Scott because I feel that same kind of kinship with him and the rest of my friends, you know, Kevin Nash got almost got all obviously. Yeah, Paul Levesque Shawn Michaels. Hmm. Yeah, so Yeah, that'll be good. Yeah, I know it's two peaks Franco like uh, go watch part. If you've never watched Pumping Iron by I can't recommend it right? It's just it was so great. But yeah, I just wanted to say that because of you know, just their friendship and then what you know how it made me think of my friendships. So absolutely. Yeah take it away Denise. All right. Well, let's kick it off with May 16 1993 the kids. Is Razor Ramon you beat him after a moonsault which was super fast. The crowd was absolutely shocked. I want to know going into this match first. What were your thoughts going into this? Well, there's more to it than just my thoughts going into I mean we got to talk about like what light up to it. Ya know things like that had how do you guys work together before that before that night? No unions got no. No, we barely knew each other. I mean II knew him more than he knew what the hell was that anyways. I just knew him from when I would see him around because I was always at the whenever WWE Hell shows were in Minneapolis. I was always backstage and you know hanging out just trying to put yourself in the right place at the right time. Just seen make sure you know, everyone see me with my Ribera jacket on so they knew I was one of the boys, right? Yeah that would see him there and you know Curt Hennig and I call the local Minneapolis. Guys were good to me like Hawk and you know and you know and that and so yeah, and it's got it seen me on global hmm, you know, and he made sure you let me know that you know some of that stuff sure like one of the things that stood out him was we had a 20 count in global. Okay, and so like when they were, you know in the referees count me like, you know, not three or four but like I got 15 more counts of you know, like what's the big hurry? It's a just like lay on the ground. Like I was smoking a cigarette or right, you know just ridiculous. Yeah kind of making fun of it. Right? Sure anyways, so he just like things like that and yeah, even though I didn't really know what I was doing like you could still look at somebody earlier in their career and even though they make shit loads of mistakes. You can still see the Brilliance in some people early on you know, yeah and and so like in so Scott saw that me, you know, yeah which in Scotts he's that like If there is that in someone's gots one that can find it in someone did you know that at the time that he saw that in you or did you find out afterwards? There's you know, I can't remember exactly, you know, I think anyway so fast forward. Yes. What were some of your first impressions of out of Scott when you guys were putting anything? Okay, so just also You know, I had my tryout and why I had two days of tryouts and like a lot of people know the story already. So I won't go too deep into it. I had two matches what Louis Spicoli and you can find one of them on the hidden gems. Okay. I'm the network and I remembered the match being a way better than it really was when I watched it back but still I recommend people go watch it and see what you know, well got me hired, right? You know, this is pretty rough around the edges looking back. But you know I got I got I got you know, people saw what I could you know, Vince all what I could do people anyways, whatever so I was waiting for a call because I already had all these other things going on. Like I was promoting my own show this NWA show with Hawk and Terry Funk and the main event and I you know, I worked with Sabu was my first mattress Abu kind of put us on the map with a lot of people Jerry Lynn wrestled candido Tad's wrestled Brad dragons mosses Saito and Nails Russell anyways, no Moss is say whatever Nails in the hater against masahito and Charlie North I'm giving off into the Weeds about you what I'm trying to get get out as I had a lot going on. Hmm, and I also had a new Japan tour for Super Junior tournament. So and So I kind of had options right and you know, but I never thought I would get hired by WWE and every thought they would even consider me. So, you know, I had to try out and I home waiting not seem like forever till they call and then one day, you know, one day I pick up the phone and it's events and he runs this whole Razor Ramon story, but you know by me and you know Pat Patterson is on the line with him and you know their land holding out exactly how it happened. And you know and I even mentioned. Well, I got this pant or and they're like, okay then, you know. Then we'll have Scott doing the promos and soon the probably, you know challenging me to rematch and you know, putting the money up and then eventually it's too much money for me to pass up share whatever but I had these old promos I cut. Oh, I'm jumping too far ahead. So we're okay. So we get there, right? Yeah. Anyways bent ask me what I think of it. Obviously, I'm like Blown Away by the whole thing, right because everyone else, you know when they come into You have either just get three weeks of vignettes and some squash matches. Yeah get over. So, you know, it was so much greater the way I was brought up right? It's enough of a surprise just that you're getting the call much less that you know, they're putting you over one of the the top guys right off the bat. Yeah, and this was by Design. This wasn't just to introduce me. It was actually mainly to turn Scott to turn the razor munkar to baby face. That was that you're going to be one of my questions later on. I didn't know if they had already planned that since then it was all about there was just kind of like all fell into place. All right. Well, there you go. That's what this was all about. Whereas so just in case I ended up, you know, flopping or shitting the bed or whatever like they could still use this for the storyline with with DiBiase, right? So, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So anyways - Diane and I'm there and you know, actually I had a couple of weeks they you know, Vince had told me, you know, we're going to bring you in and you know, you were going to squash you the first couple of weeks. So I had I can't remember which order I had Curtis Hughs squash me one week. Okay and doing that Warren and you can tell like so they didn't know what was planned for me. So they treated me like a job guy. I'm sorry. I was like, you know right doink was your debut shot him looking. Yeah. Yeah, May 3 was when you debuted in yeah, you lost something like that day. So yeah, so do you think that that might have made us see more authentic to people of course it is. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, so Vince didn't realize people being elements is in the little bubble that he's and he's busy as hell like it's not like he's watching everything or got his pulse on the finger of all the independent wrestling fans or whatever, but he seemed rather. Prized when I came out for that first match and the people started chanting my name. Hmm But yeah, so yeah, we had those couple weeks it squashes and so I get there this week and you know, I'm waiting and then Here Comes Scott and he's just really had a good looking and you know, so is everyone else And I was like comes up to me again the ideas or like and I was like, I had a million great ideas. What I wanted re so scotches. I calm down, you know, we just they just got off a you know, a red-eye from from out here on the on the west coast and you know, everyone was really tired. They've been on the road on the road. So yeah, I'm much more enthusiastic about everything Scott as Scott goes up to Pat and goes hey, what should we do? Here it goes. Pat just said think of one thing just move miss something thicker one day. He beat you beat the shit on the rest of the match. Ah, then that's what happened. And that was the right way to do it. Yeah, exactly because that was what made the the actual Victory more shocking in, you know, yeah. So that was how that went. What were your emotions like prior during the match and even afterwards because even afterwards the way you celebrate it like it just went perfectly in line with With everything, you know, yeah. Yeah, you know, I wish I would have taken more time, but I was it was told, you know, I was nervous are not you know, that's still a lot to I still do today have a lot to learn but at the time we would have did I ever so I think I rushed that celebration too much and ran out of the building. Oh my God could have milked out a little bit more like an you know. Me today, but I'm like milk that shit out of that. Trust me right now. But you know, I mean it was the authentic I was and yeah, I was I was I was I was through the moon. Mmm it was and I knew at the time I was a biggest moment, you know at that point without a doubt sure and my entire career and it was even to this day. That was the biggest moment of my career. That was the most important moment of my entire career whether that match did you expect that crowd reaction afterwards? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I expected everything we expect everything to you know shortly out just like you did because it's like you said that it was all kind of engineered such culminated at that moment. Yeah, that was like none of that happened on accident that was all planned. And then I was watching your promo the one where you said like, okay, so, you know razor moans offering this money. I think firstly start was like 7500 eventually goes up to 10,000 but there's the promo that you did where you're saying like I was at home watching Raw with my grandma and my grandpa and You started saying like Minnesota accent trick Minnesota had come what's that your first national TV promo? Yes. That was the first very first one. Oh, man. Were you nervous? Yeah, of course. All right. Well, you know, I mean I've talked about this recently I got was a scared of talking in public, you know, and that means you know, like, you know, I've gotten obviously better at I'm doing this right now sure, you know, I kind of make a living talking public, huh? Yeah, the thing is when you're 20, 19 20 years old and you're just your new not just in wrestling. But in life you don't have that really don't really have that much to talk about right farts shit. You've done mmm, you know, so yeah that was in that was that was all they want. I was really not happy with the promos because I wanted them to be slick smooth. Of course, you know, I wanted to you know, come on Alvin. Elmo but that was exactly what was needed. Yeah, before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Yeah, cuz they had position that character to be so relatable. Yeah, you know that nervous little kid, you know you yeah, and I was and I was overwhelmed by everything and you could tell I was just so incredibly like excited about everything. Hmm, they prep you before Or was it just kind of like do your thing go out there or did they give you like pointers? Like what you were supposed to cross yet? So at after the after the big win the next day and I was just talking about Sergeant Slaughter about this because yeah Sarge was a big part of all this because he was the one that actually called me for my tryout and hey you known. But so Sarge took me to the studios and Stamford the next day and we cut all I cut all those promos Sarge produced all of them. Okay, he's an awesome job because I mean they were like you said they were exactly what was needed at the time and you know, he directed me perfectly and I saw ya laughter those were done. It was like Hey, so where are you staying? I'm like when you mean where am I saying? I don't know so he brought me home. He brought me to his house. I stayed as house. We had a great time cooked out, you know. Yeah, I love Sarge so that's awesome. Yeah, that was great. That's crazy. Because like, I'm sure when you're like new you never know who's going to take you in that sort of thing in your kind of maybe hoping someone does and then he did. Yeah, and so the guys like that even more so than the guys that go younger than Sarge like Scott's age and and that really liked me because I was I knew my history. I know I mean all of us living history and I could talk to them and talk to them about the things that they did and talk to them about, you know, even the people that were Heroes to them, you know and just history of wrestling and so That's served me. Well now when it comes to come to having relationships with the older generation a guys. Yeah, just having that Foundation of knowledge to kind of yeah, absolutely. All right, and then you had your rematch on June 20th 1983, which was just a couple weeks after the first match. So with this one here, one of the things I'm pretty sure was six weeks six weeks. There you go. I mean no you told me so while May 16 to June 20th, we have a couple weeks in between there. Okay, I'm bad at math. All right, but because I Was when I went to Japan for the night. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, that was when I was in Japan because that was we were still like figuring out names, you know Kamikaze kid Campbell carry with a kid this kid that kid right hard luck kid. So I'm in Japan and I get on the bus and I forget who it was is reading Japanese magazine and goes. Oh you 1-2-3 Kid like what? Yeah, you name one two. Yeah, I said bullshit fucking name sucks. Oh, I hated it. You guys know that I hate the name. Oh, yeah. So yeah, I like that bothered me instead of grow on you after a while never up never getting drawn told me until many years after I was done with it. So go so what you're like like out and about like, you know, or even despite me being people are like so you trying to pick up women man, and not that I should have been picking up women as a married man or anything, but just saying sure. You know some we go so what's your us our name? And that's when you know, fuck you want a kid stroke is there is well when you went into this match already there were so many one two, three kids signs. You are already over with the crowd, you know, so that must have been fun going. I don't even have music when I came out and then popping apartment came out as forgot to mention earlier. You're lucky raw t-shirt, too. Ooh that you talked about in your promo. Yeah, no such thing. So essentially when you came out to this match when you came out for your rematch already the crowd thought it's you know, is he gonna get one over like really fast and you did, you know, you went out there and you did these moves that you know, everybody right away and people like, you know, right we had them who laid out this match we had Scott night. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, obviously mainly Scott but I had to say so like I knew it, you know, I had a clue sure. I had a clue already. I just did you know I needed you know, I need someone with a real knowledge to kind of put things into place properly and when you do things when you're when you're talking about because I know you mentioned in the first match. I had all these ideas all the stuff you wanted to do. Was there anything that you particularly wanted to like? Okay, like if I get anything and I want to get this in no, no just my normal shit. Sure, and I did hmm. And yeah, but that was a rough one that match, you know, so not a couple months ago. I actually flew to you know, that's right flew to New York and did a short documentary about just that match Yeah, you mentioned this. You mentioned a story about when you slipped in during this match. Well, that was this that was that was only the second time my got knocked out in this match. Oh shit. Yeah. The first time was on the chokeslam. So yeah. Well I didn't Is that like right off the bat? We do it like your for the bag go for the pretty sure it was good for the hip toss. I block go for the I do the backflip. And when I Landing because will me in it was like a anyways right on my head. Yes Miss timing and that's one of the things I didn't realize until I had starred Ring The Ring was so hard. If you go back and look at that bump in the ring. You see the actual ring doesn't move at all. Well. Yeah, and that's one of those things that I didn't start realizing until fairly recently going back and watching those matches is like when he hits that chokeslam, it is high and tight like yeah, that's a roughly because I'm just guessing that I was thinking like high extended chokeslam and Scott has a different version of it. Sure, right. So we were what we were on when we weren't on the same page, right his is obviously different from like the tiger chokeslam or anything. Yeah. So yeah. I got a frog in my throat tonight this morning one of the one of the things that I also like during this match is how commentary really put over the fact like kid. This isn't worth it. The $10,000 isn't worth it and like you watch and you Back at you just think like oh man, like it really puts you in that position where it's like this kid here, you know, all you had to do essentially was come out for this match. So then like with the whole part with you running now afterwards with the $10,000 tell us about the ideas for that. Okay. So the plan was you know, the part where I go to the top rope. Okay. So what happens is, you know, I spilled to the floor Scott comes out. He takes the padding on the floor and he pulls the padding back and he's going to Give me the razor's Edge on the concrete and I backdrop amount of the razor's Edge. And so this is the part that okay, so Scott's like I was my fault and I'm not really it's just I'm the one that did the slipping and that but Scott had this idea in his head that okay kid just got back from Japan and you know, he, you know, because everyone rushes everything when they're my right and I'm taking my time selling and I'm going to get up there and then Scott's getting up. The way quicker than I thought he was because he wants to be there for me. Right and and so and I'm trying to hurry up because I don't want him to stand there. Like it's one of my pet peeves is happened standing there looking at happen this weekend. But yeah, so I slept the night, you know ain't shit like it fucked me up bad. I mean, I can't tell you like because I didn't go to the hospital even though I should have I can't tell you exactly what the injuries. But there was a major head trauma really bad and I couldn't walk for all the way up until I got on the plane to go to my first set of how shows and somehow like once I got out to the ring, you know, you kind of manage the adrenaline but like my you know, there was Major deep bruising and my thighs and like and just everything was messed up. And so yeah, I'm sure what was supposed to happen is so I do a you know, like a rolling whatever it's not a typical hero because it was up the topper. Right? Right, right. It's some sort of you know, hit him boom down he goes and that's when I'm supposed to grab the money and haul ass out the door. So but when I slip and fall, it's like y'all shit now. What right right? Yeah. So when I when I did that and Scott's ago now what and Scott looked over because at the time the ringing, uh, you know, the the announcers the table is Right pushed up to the ring and so Scott looked over for some kind of direction from thence, right and Vince just put his head down like this like you basically you're on your own and we're live and This needs to get done like before we go out there right like so. Scott just you know Rose me back in and like, you know, if I beat him like he's fucked that's his DOT. So he's like scows gonna let me beat him again, you know, and so he was just trying to think of something like Schoolboy like fucking, you know, small pack exactly. Yeah, and I want moonsault somehow I Spit on a moonsault and he goes just like before and I and it was the best moonsault I ever did. Oh, wow. Yeah, cuz I was our but I suck at Moon songs. So I've talked about that before so I won't, you know keep diving in my sucking at moonsault. Yeah, so I when I hit him with it, he was gonna let me pin him again. And as as Earl Hamner is down for the count. He's going kick out one two, and then that's how it's got kicked out and then say what the fuck Barrel right and they are both gone get the money you do money. D so I got the money and like fucking and there's 10,000 in there too. By the way, it's not a lie League Optics put that out, but they did right and so I'm carrying the money back and you know, and I'm just so I'm still fucking well out of it just out on my feet and I go to going to the curb. I don't know what I don't know if I heard some people I warning me or whatever and Scout is about ready to take my head off. He had he would have had to yeah and somehow I fucking put overdrive just as he takes a swipe and out I go and he misses me and you know it everything turned out and that was If we didn't figure that out, I very well, I mean, who knows what would happen to my career? Yeah, for sure. Whatever right like so everything after that dive off the top was all just completely. Yeah me. Yeah and it was like there was a lot at stake. It was a lot at stake here and we got it done. Yeah, but I think in the end it's sort of worked out because it's like oh like to eat sneaky. He just left with the money and the raisin never got his widow. Yeah the way that you're describing that finish. I was like fuck you couldn't you know plan? Better so real quick. I got ya shit, please. I can't show it because we'll get flagged when I'm watching this back right now when you sneak off and grab that money, you're obviously kind of woozy from the match. So that wasn't acting that was because because this chokeslam and this it's brutal man. I can't believe you bounce back for you soon. As you guys who are listening. You should definitely go back and watch this I can't show but it's amazing footage and the even crazier thing about this is that was my first of two matches that night. Okay sent me back out for another fucking match because it was so important. I had that fucking enhancement match, but Reno fucking records. Oh, man. Yeah, and I got Tony Korea and I love Tony but that was their job at the time to get you to go out and do shoes. It's your fucking call. Yeah, if you fucking tell a wrestler that's fucking like head is half cut off. It's your call. They're going to go out and fucking do it. Mmm, you know, right that was insane looking back on it. How did that go? The second match managed. Hmm. I'm a judge like if you know the situation you could tell By looking you're kind of out of it. Oh, yeah, Rick just ridiculous that I liked was sent out for that fucking match how much time went in between that he didn't even have like a moment to like relax or something like an hour or something. I don't know maybe less right now. I'm very much. Oh my god. Oh, man. Okay. So then one of the things I also wanted to ask you is that Razor Ramon one of the things he kept calling you all the time with Stickman sick man. Was there any story behind them are just not what he thought visually it's just like Like that was Scott, you know, he would take something and I he would stick with it stick with it. Right a lot of if you look at those promos. He's still like it's still very much supposed to be the Tony Montana kind of character that point like he's still yeah like and he never changed even when he was a baby basis interview style never changed. Right? Right, right because I noticed yet in that first one were originally it's 2,500. He's throwing a lot more Spanish in there. Yeah, then, you know later on it would kind of Kind of evolved. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. So after this, you know, you started getting built up and you started defeating other people that sort of came into your position as more like, you know, like the job or positions and he started getting more established and then Flash Forward to August of 93. You defeated Ted DiBiase and I thought this was cool because Ted DiBiase was sort of mocking Razor Ramon kind of like you couldn't win this kid and then all of a sudden you get them and you get the pin and it worked out pretty cool. Tell us a little bit about that whole match and how all that worked out and was that at the idea, you know the whole time. Yeah go that was that was part of the master plan and like so the teddy was on his way out. He was finishing up and he was going to be finishing up at SummerSlam and it was so yeah, it was excuse me. I had a match with Ted and you know, so we did this finish that I'm pretty sure Ted actually went up to Terry Taylor and asked him like hey, what should I do with him? You knows get him all over and and so we did the finish. I was doing what Terry on the road where you know, I would get you know, I would do my stuff, you know, then booms pull the rug out from underneath me and there I am I'm down. I think Teddy got me in The Million Dollar Dream, and I was and then he laid over nonchalantly with his back right one two and a crucifix Tim one, two, three roll quite and work great. It was perfect. Perfect finish for that. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Taylor's finish from here on then you would say that you became more of an established character even like after this was you know, you were seeing constantly and then you began teaming with Razor Ramon on and off and then I want to kind of fast forward to when you kind of started showing these like he'll tactics. So let's go Forward over to 95 where you guys want gummy just out real quick. I want to talk about Survivor Series. Hmm because I was still is a big deal for me like that. The team was Scott that was when they you know, I think that was a I started thinking about Marty Marty jannetty and I ran team but the main thing was like I was Tina was Scott and you know on our Survivor Series team we had Macho Man Randy. He's a Savage. So yeah, I just had to throw that in. That's awesome. Yeah, absolutely. It was supposed to be Curt Hennig as supposed to be Kurt having lunch and then that Vince likes to do if you're going to replace somebody make sure they're of equal or greater value. Yeah, totally. Yeah, it was so cool. So what was it was it was you guys Macho Man? Was there anyone was there another person on the team me it was me Scott March and and Marty. Okay there. Yeah. Yeah, and and so Marty and I want it but anyways, so yeah, and that kind of is that what transitioned into you guys being a team? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but okay, so I just really felt the need to fit that in there because it was a big moment sure that Scott and I were part of so, okay. So the what I was talking about was when you guys finally got your title shot against the smoking guns and in your house for 1995 the great white North and this one was interesting too because the Finish, you know, you guys had a chance. Had razor taken that pin you would have got us would have won the titles but that you wanted your moment so he gave it to you but you know because our teams gives it to you doesn't go. Well you lose and then you start throwing a fit and you're you know, you attacked them afterwards. So, uh, yeah and we had already started seeing some Hill tactics of you like even in that match where you pull down the Rope so that he can fall backwards and that sort of thing. So what was that transition like for you? That was what I was I was a always been a heel pretty much. Mmm for most of my you know, career. Really. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty good. He'll actually before I got to you know, WWE anyways the thing I remember about that is Scott and I we were just we were just on the same page Ike we didn't even talk to each other about this but we showed up even at the airport both wearing like the same like we both had our Stu Hart 80th anniversary or 80th birthday jackets on like that's all different story those jackets, but and we got there and when we go Would to get our gear on our gear was matching and we didn't even coordinator, you know scored no. No. Yeah, and it was just we were such a good team and we had some cool moves, you know, like he did the sack of shit and then he would catch me in the sack of shit and throw it on them for the right for the for a near fall. I've never heard anyone call the following his life and that was that's whatever that's getting scarcer and for the but he even so we boat and we didn't call this either. It was just just naturally just did this we both stuck her hand out to shake their hands and when they put their hands out, we whoo, you know, both of us at the same time. They were they were all you fuckers. So at this point where you guys like close, you know in real life. Yeah that point already. Yeah, but it's funny because like, let's just say like not knowing anything about you guys and just seeing you guys like you would never think that you guys You know had anything in common, but it played so nicely though with you guys being a team, but had you had you guys just paired you guys up like separately or something like it you would have never thought it though, you know. Yeah, so it kind of worked out like pretty well, I think okay. So this isn't that that I think that's is that the same night that Scott did double duty and they did the icy match with Shane Douglas. Oh man, not sure I like so is that the one I don't know it's yeah, but I don't think that's necessarily pertinent to the right to the episode today. Alright, and now let's talk about your full-on. He'll turn when you were the special guest referee against up for Razor Ramon versus psycho kid and besides sentences that once with psycho said so tell me a little bit about this and you know, you finally joined it was a full circle essentially, you know, if you Think about it in terms of well, obviously you said this was part of the master plan where you know, you essentially turn he'll Razor Ramon to promote. I'm pretty sure I had some other little matches in there with Scott before I turn heel or like right? Yeah, cuz you costume you cost him the Intercontinental title. You hit him with a stroller you attacking him. That's where I turn before. I actually technically turn I had some mad like one match with him at least. Well, I remember there was that night on a fucking ran me through and Beat me like there was a night on Raw where he put me in my place. Just kept beating you and you can yeah exactly ending start over. Yeah, but it looked like yeah after that it looked like you guys kind of like made up and that's headed sort of like put it behind you and then like kept going and then so then we get to these being the special referee with Sid and Scott. It was Ted DiBiase at ringside and I screwed Scott. And I thought it was just a quick count. Right? Right, and that was the part where so Ted, you know is gimmick is he sticks a hundred dollar bills in their mouths, but we're in Canada. And so all he has was like a Canadian five or Canadian to or some shit like that and when he did it on my own. Oh, like I didn't want anyone to see like steady biasi million dollar man with shouldn't even have a two dollar bill in this right? I shouldn't even know what one of those is I was snatched it out. I was mouth real quick, you know, and it just looked like I was being greedy right like a little shit Thief. So yeah, that's what I fucking love that. Yeah. Yes, and we were at the tag titles really and something happened. Hmm said, you know said he departed and but I really like if he's listening I really loved him. Annoy. You said that's just really loved it. Yeah. Okay. So one of the things I also want to point out since we're just kind of briefly touched base on this but I really like the promos between Razor Ramon and Ted DiBiase where he was trying to get them to hire him as this like servant or Butler something like that. I thought that was pretty hilarious where he was kind of like just like know I really liked that play on that. Okay. So, where are we at? Okay, so you you essentially in this match you feel you spent your the special guest referee tell us a little bit about how this all played out. I just did. These are all right. Let's move on then. Whoo-hoo. Who was it that first kind of approach to you about about turning about like how to remember who was there anything did they were did they just think that you would just kind of like when your course has a face? They're trying something new? Yeah. I think that was I think they're right. Sure. Yeah. Hmm. Let me up. There was especially if there was if I wasn't going to go any further as a baby face around there at the time. Yeah, so so given Given your history with with Benny Hill you were obviously on board when they when they had approached you about it. Yeah, because it was a you know, just waiting to be able to work with Scott and we really want to work with each other because we had great chemistry and people like they liked it. They like the whole storyline is yeah, you know, they weren't sick of it wasn't like it played its course or right and I was out of gas by any means. Yeah because by this point it had been Never Say Never And I guess now she they tried to move on to different things and Really upset Scott actually, you know we can get to that. Yeah. Alright. Alright. So what do you mean by like to see you know that except that it you know, it it upset him and all of that tell us a little bit about that. I just wanted to you know have a conclusion to that, you know have a have that storyline with him and I play out and have a conclusion the blow off and you know, they weren't really they had different ideas as mm. All right, so then we have this crime. Baby match where you know the loser basically gets a given potential diaper too far. All right. Well, let's go back a little bit Yeah, you cost him the Intercontinental title. I can't like in his match with Gold Dust when I came out the top rope and hit him. It's got with the spin kick. Hmm. So there's and that was that was what I meant by, you know, Vince had, you know, big storyline with gold dust and mind and a big plans big plans and and I just don't want to do it and I don't you know part of it was it was so at the time, you know, so controversial Grand, you know, and it was really uncomfortable for Scott. He talks about it. I think you know, what's right or wrong or however you look at things like at that time and you know from you know, Scott's life experiences. I was really uncomfortable for him and so he didn't want to do it and He wanted to do he went to work with his friend. Right and I mean Yeah, how does that make you feel like knowing that he was like I want to continue this purple good. I felt great. But you know, I also saw that that was a that would have been a big thing too. You know them in Gold Dust right? Right, just but you can't really you know, someone's not something like yeah. Well someone's really dead-set against doing something. That's really not a good idea to try to get them to do it. Yeah exactly, you know. Although like sometimes I think so. The uncomfortableness they coming through like actually kind of does help the storyline definitely happy avocados character of the time. Yeah, because I remember yeah the storyline and with Ahmed Johnson and yeah, you definitely got that for sure yet. So yeah that whole crybaby match like that was Scott's on the way out. Mmm. How do you already given his notice at this point that he was going to leave? Yes. Okay. Yeah and We even had so we had that that crybaby match and you know that was punishment for me, but it was also and it wasn't good for me character-wise. I was not good at all, but I'm not going to lie and say it wasn't good TV sure. It just wasn't good for me. But I did the best I could with it. Yeah, it was mainly because I and anyone can anyone can do. Deny this or say. Oh, that's not why but they would be they wouldn't be being honest. And and and that I was I was in the doghouse because I started this ball rolling with the whole jump to WCW thing I say what's up? I've already talked about that. I'm not gonna D him. I'm gonna dive into that right Cheryl but so, you know, so the second you heard that this match was happening. You knew you were going to be the one come on in a diaper. Okay? Yeah. Well, actually, I know I didn't. Oh that's annoying, dude. I thought okay, they're mad. It's got like, you know like you when someone leaves they do the job on the way out exactly when I get there. Well, no, duh. So even though Scott's leaving on bad terms, they're still fucking beaten me and putting a bottle of my mouth and fucking die proud of you, right? Yeah. How do you you know, because obviously you don't want that to happen to you. Obviously you have different ideas for what you want to do with your character. How do you use essentially swallow that pill and realize? Okay, I have to do something. That I'm not too big of a fan of that I have to do do it. What was I gonna do? Hmm, you know, I was I wasn't in a good State of Mind at the time this overall like, you know, my friends were leaving and I wasn't and because I had wanted to leave but my contract rolled over I see you know, so I was stuck there. Yeah, so there was a lot of things that we're making me depressed and you know, I'm happy and you know, a lot of them were, you know my own doings, but you know, you don't see things. With the time but ya know until I got there and Jim cornette came up to me and told me how great this was for me and I'm like Jim like I'm going to do it, right but don't fucking insult my intelligence, but tell me how great this is. You know, like I said though, I will say it was entertaining and all that just I was damaged goods after I say after that, you know, I like the all the post-match tough, you know, you have the powder in your face you can't see See, you don't realize you have this diaper on and you're kind of just like what and at the end. You're like wanting to cry and commentaries really put it over. I was like kids cry and he's gonna cry and what was I supposed to do that? Right? Like when they give you something that's what I've talked about this on the show before like even if you don't it's not your favorite thing because not everything is going to be exactly how you wanted to be right. You got to do your best with it. Yeah, you know, you got to put your best foot forward on this type of shit. Jerry The King Lawler was pretty it was really interesting in this match. When he was calling commentary because he was saying some outrageous things. That was he was saying like, oh like basically same river Razor Ramon was such an ugly baby that his mom breastfed him with a straw and just things like that that were just so outrageous but it was funny with the you know, when you're watching the match and you're seeing all of this put forward because that was really cool to sort of see it all in one. But okay, so then the end when you're doing and then you slammed the camera that was hilarious. I mean, I thought it was funny. Thank you the best I could with that and you know, they they played on that like weeks and weeks afterwards. I can tell I was just wasn't around anymore, but I think but so like there was a Europe there was a like the last Europe tour before Kevin and Scott left and I'm pretty sure over there. I can't remember who exactly it was. I think it was gold dust that Scott was supposed to work with on the house shows and for some reason he couldn't make it. Are like they had to replace him and so they were putting Bradshaw JBL. Okay at the time who was just like Justin haugtvedt. He wasn't even fucking APA or right? Yeah. I can just have the big he was blackjacks yet, right and people shit all over it. They want they were chanting one two, three on all the house shows in Europe. So finally there was okay let Scott Hazmat guys, you know, so not want to work with kids and that's what the people wanted. And sometimes it's a good idea to give the people what they want especially in a fucking house show. So yeah that that was how much the people I wanted that you know, they still wanted to see Scott and I like I know you said you didn't like the 1-2-3 Kid named. Did you think that maybe once you turn heel that maybe you should have had a name change? No, no, no. No, I don't like pink like a lot of names. I mean, I've had him too many other days, you know, and then I did. Oh, yeah was there ever and I know we talked about this but I forgot to ask you this but was there ever a segment where you did show that you spent the money the $10,000 so you guys just brushed through that? No, never did anything with that because I was curious about that afterwards and I wish I was like, you know what that would have been interesting. How do we see nor? You know what you did with the $10,000 happened was okay when I came back through the like There's tons of cash in that bag. Right and there was Arnold skoland are nice: it was in charge of that and get it back to him. And he was like, there's like to I forget what he said there was like two grandmas in her something. Like I like I didn't put it over too much but I was kind of worried that that maybe he was not just ribbing me right? Let me not to Grant a Time. Holy shit. Yeah, right. It's a week's pay on a good week. That's crazy. Daisy so yeah, so those are some of the things that you know, we wanted to talk about here today and I just think it was really cool. So oh I forgot to mention something so during your tag team match. This is just something that I noticed from watching the one with you and razor versus the smoking guns. There was this some parts where it seemed that you guys were going to win. The crowd was really excited about it and got like some huge pops. Yeah, and I was thinking to myself like man like you don't see that anymore nowadays where you get these pops like it was a tag team match like, you know, like I don't know how to And just like that everything overall like you just don't see that anymore part of the reason was they cared about like they cared about us as a team, right? We have that history and everything and so they were already emotionally invested in Us in but like so just assume you already have those ingredients. It's how you lay them out and how you build the match right? And that's just you don't and that hasn't changed like doesn't change. It just it hasn't gotten passed on to the new. Your generation like it like it should have been like I like honestly I a lot of that blame. I give to our generation for not you know being there to pass it on to the younger guys. But yeah now that's what that is. That's just how we built it how we built the manage. Yeah, because I was just seeing that I was like mad I don't recall the last time I saw, you know, you know something like this if it wasn't like a big like, oh my God, this is a big match on SummerSlam ER Royal Rumble or whatever WrestleMania, you know, something like that just like You know what a raw, I don't know whatever you want to call it. So just basically that's one of the things that I noticed and I just thought it was really interesting to see to sort of see how the crowd house was invested in certain storylines and certain characters and versus now, which was interesting and so like I could just remember also like I came in and I was out hurt for a while and I was out here in La we have in my injuries and And that's when I came back and cost Scott the the IC title. Yeah Goldust. Yeah, I came in when I had a go. Oh, I got big. I got heat because I snuck us Nook wearing a Gold's Gym ragtop sweatshirt, you know onto the pay-per-view. Yeah, they weren't. I mean it was a huge deal real pissed, right? Yeah. So yeah. I just remember caution and I remember him with the spin. Got the top and another remember what we did if we did anything after that, I think that might have been kind of my last anyone ever. Yeah, you know sort of the the Razor Ramon 1-2-3 Kid Saga, right? So with that you and mention kind of that depression of you know, seeing your friends, you know, all leaving basically was it did that make it that much of a relief when you jumped and join the end, of course, we're able to kind of reunite with them. Yeah. Mmm, and I told that told the story on how that It went you know, I had an overdose and at TVs after that Europe tour we were talking about yeah is that was up 21 days straight pretty much right just partying going crazy, you know just, you know burning the candle at both ends. I just just tremendous case of like, you know, Melancholy combine with the I don't give a fuck. Right, right. So yeah, you know Talked about this Vince put me in rehab you got me all you know ready to go and then like let me go work for been there WCW if I wanted to MMM, you know, he's like hey if you want to go that they got if you got a better deal wait for you there, you know, just go I'll give you a week to think about it. He flew me in to Stanford to tell me that well. Yeah and while I was in rehab that First Rehab, you know, I was paid. Other than I was while I was out working on the road full-time. Like I think a huge part of that was, you know, I didn't have to worry about anything. Well, it was in rehab. Usually there's a lot of people in there and Rehab situations like that. They're so distracted because their life is falling apart so bad on the outside that there's like, you know families are getting ready to be a you know, they can't pay the bills and the food right, you know, get ready to get kicked out because because of rents not paid does a lot of things and I didn't have to worry about any of those things because of you know, since that's an awesome. Yeah, that's really and then and so part of you know, I say this, you know, it was so nice of them to let me go in the middle of like that kind of heated water, but also part of that is like he just didn't really think I was that big of a factor, you know, if we're to be honest right ask you Why you think you did that but just didn't think I was gonna be a huge difference in the war. Sometimes people are wrong. You sure are smart people. Yeah. I've never talked about that afterwards and later on in the future. We didn't have to write we didn't have to when I came back and you know, everything happened the way it did when I came back that was no need to have a conversation about it. Sure. There you go, you know, it's so so not to get too big of a question, but what do you think it was about? How about you and Scott the kind of Drew you guys to each other that that made you so close we are. Just there's so many things about us that are similar, you know and just are just we love this so much just so much and also I was I had already been under the cursor adding this to perfect Learning Tree and you know, Scott and Sean that you know, they they they had been there as well. And so like like all this stuff that the quick DX NWO like all that Granny was such a huge part of that just in his influence on everyone involved. You know, like Kurt was the guy that took all the guys under his wing all the young guys and you know, and so Scott did the same thing and so I tried to do the same thing. Yeah, so, I don't know I about carried out by just now that's really interesting. I never I never knew that that was kind of one of the Congress several common things that you know, that bonded us together. I was one of them that's all right. And I mean, yeah, we all we got my stuff together, but I was like not the main thing at all. Hmm. If it was our relationship wouldn't be what it is to this day. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Thank you for This was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, how would that what time is it Jeff coming up on an hour guys good time you wash great show cool. I hope everyone enjoyed this. Yeah. Yeah, and you know for the people I didn't mention earlier in the show. Like I just figured we would do, you know change up the format a little bit, you know, because it was a lot going on and a lot of news and and Industry right now and it's the greatest time like maybe one of the greatest things ever. Hmm. It's just done. 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Sean “X-Pac” Waltman discusses his early days with Razor Ramon: his amazing upset on RAW, the rematch, survivor series, and even that crybaby match! Sean “X-Pac” Waltman and Co-founder of AfterBuzz TV Keven Undergaro have teamed up to bring a podcast with a full circle look at life from outside the squared circle. AfterBuzz TV presents Xpac12360. X-Pac has many stories to tell that may help listeners relate, inspire them in their own lives, or just be entertained. And of course, there will be guests. So plan on seeing his group of usual suspects along with a mix of wrestlers, celebrities, and comedians. X-Pac has known and shared many road trips, locker rooms, and life moments with these guests. Where these conversations will go? No one knows, but we do know they will be entertaining. About The Show: AfterBuzz Tv's Keven Undergaro alongside Sean “X-Pac” Waltman bring you a podcast with a full circle look at life from outside the squared circle. AfterBuzz TV presents X-Pac 12360. X-Pac has many stories to tell that may help listeners relate, inspire them in their own lives, or just be entertained. And of course, there will be guests. So plan on seeing his group of usual suspects along with a mix of wrestlers, celebrities, and comedians. X-Pac has known and shared many road trips, locker rooms, and life moments with these guests. Where these conversations will go? No one knows, but we do know they will be entertaining. With X-Pac, guests are just friends hanging out having a chat about old times and new frontiers. Listening to these conversations will make you feel like you are a fly on the locker room, green room, or bar wall. ---   This episode is sponsored by  · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. 